Megadeth

[Nick]

If you are defending him, you are probably spending too much time whacking off to little girls too.

As others have already mentioned, that's not how we do things here, please steer clear of this type of comment moving forward.

Edit: Heffed.

[Ben_Jamin]

It all depends on what the contract he signed says. And apparently the band has a zero tolerance policy for this kind of act while in contract with the band.

And if he finds fault, he could sue. But I guarantee he won't sue the band, because he knew what he signed. He should've known what this kind of act would cause if it did happen to be recorded and leaked, which it did.

He is doing the right thing by suing those who did leak this video out. They're the ones who did the defamation, not Dave. Dave and Megadeth were caught in a rut by Ellefsons decision, and the attention it caused for both Ellefson and the Megadeth brand.

And Dave is doing what is best overall for the band. As with any company, you (the employee), represent the company. Anything you do, especially in company uniform and on the job, is a representation for the company and it's image and reputation. When that customer walks in, you the employee are expected to give the customer the best service that best represents the policies and values of the company.

Here in this instance, Ellefson did not represent the company in a good light, and in turn caused a bit of a negative representation to the Megadeth brand.


That's how I see why Mustaine chose to fire Ellefson, regardless of legality of the action performed by Ellefson that caused him to be in the spotlight. And, depending on that contract he signed with the band as an employer, I feel Mustaine was in the right to be concerned for his Band and Brand of Megadeth. It was just a business decision that he felt was the best choice to make, regardless of feelings, and apparently there were already some mixed feelings already brewing.

And also, Businesses are only doing this as a reaction to all the outcry the MeToo movement has been very vocal and demanding about. It's why every business is disassociating themselves from their employees that are involved in this type of reputation caused by an employees actions. It also doesn't help when what you are employed for is responsible for the light that always shines on you. You are always under the spotlight when you are in a band, an actor, or in any Business/Industry where you can be Idolized and seen as a Role-Model.

I'm fairly confident that you just put 15 times more thought into the decision than Mustaine did. Nobody's questioning DM's legal right to fire him. Some of us are just calling him an asshole and a hypocrite. And as for the Megadeth brand, it is exactly what it is. It's well established and it's not going anywhere. Keeping DE in the band doesn't harm the brand at all. Mustaine's sense of decency and his enormous ego were the only things impacted, and here we are.

  I was thinking that too while I was typing that.

[DTA]

Maybe Dave is just concerned that Kiko and Dirk could be affected. Dave/David are most likely set financially, but I'm sure the new guys are pretty much relying on being in Megadeth to ensure their careers and future are stable. I personally don't think David should've been fired if all was legal and consensual, but being even vaguely associated with grooming an underage girl and jerking off on camera will just overtake any interview/news item in the future and ultimately detract from positive press about a new album/tours, etc.

Imagine losing everything just from jerking it at your home. 

[TAC]

Maybe Dave is just concerned that Kiko and Dirk could be affected.

Yeah...um..NO.

[Setlist Scotty]

It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)

This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.

[cfmoran13]

As much as I disagree with Dave's decision to fire Ellefson, he probably shouldn't be touring this fall anyway.  He's gonna have a lot of stuff going on personally in the near future with the investigation and going after the one who posted this stuff on Twitter as well as repairing his familial relationships.  It's probably best he not be roaming the entire country. 

He came back to the band after unsuccessfully suing Mustaine for millions.  Perhaps he can come back again once this fades away.

[wolfking]

Maybe Dave is just concerned that Kiko and Dirk could be affected.

Yeah...um..NO.

lol, yeah, I don't think Mustaine suddenly gives thought to his bandmates on a personal level, especially to that regard. It's not like Kiko and Dirk were no names that would be stuck for work if they weren't in Megadeth.

I still have no issue with Dave being fired for this.  In fact, as time goes on, I understand it and applaud Dave more and more.

[Anxiety35]

Perhaps he can come back again once this fades away.

I'm not sure he could come back after this considering it's his second departure and the circumstances as to why.

[kirksnosehair]

It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)

This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.

You're not an addict so I don't expect you to really get how resentments work with addicts but believe me when I tell you, something like this will probably never truly be under the bridge for a guy like Mustaine.  Naturally, I have no way of knowing this, it's all conjecture, you know, that thing we do on message boards sometimes 

Addicts love to collect and hold on to grievances and a guy like Mustaine, let's just say he comes across to me as the kind of guy who would never forget something like that.  I see petty shit over smaller issues than this in the business world all the time.  Dave let him back in the band, I'm guessing, because it made it a better band, purely a business decision.  But he took this offramp the minute it presented itself.   As many have pointed out here there was nothing illegal that happened here.  It was stupid, and I suppose it was damaging to the Megadeth brand to the extent that there is a brand out there to be damaged by something like this, but I have a feeling if you polled 1000 random Megadeth fans not many of them would even know this shit happened.

I only found out about it because of this forum.

[Ben_Jamin]

It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)

This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.

You're not an addict so I don't expect you to really get how resentments work with addicts but believe me when I tell you, something like this will probably never truly be under the bridge for a guy like Mustaine.  Naturally, I have no way of knowing this, it's all conjecture, you know, that thing we do on message boards sometimes 

Addicts love to collect and hold on to grievances and a guy like Mustaine, let's just say he comes across to me as the kind of guy who would never forget something like that.  I see petty shit over smaller issues than this in the business world all the time.  Dave let him back in the band, I'm guessing, because it made it a better band, purely a business decision.  But he took this offramp the minute it presented itself.   As many have pointed out here there was nothing illegal that happened here.  It was stupid, and I suppose it was damaging to the Megadeth brand to the extent that there is a brand out there to be damaged by something like this, but I have a feeling if you polled 1000 random Megadeth fans not many of them would even know this shit happened.

I only found out about it because of this forum.

I didn't even know how Ellefson came to rejoining or why he actually first left Megadeth, other than Mustaine being Mustaine and him having beef with Ellefson, and Megadeth being Mustaines, not Ellefsons, band, gave him the boot.

I was just happy that the actual bass tone from the studio, I was getting to hear live. And Ellefsons bass tone is a big part of that classic Megadeth sound, and was the one for the main parts that drew fans into those songs...Peace Sells...But Who's Buying, Rust In Peace...Polaris, and a lot of Rust In Peace.

It's also why I was happy to actually see Chris Poland play Peace Sells...But Who's Buying, live with Redemption. Because Chris Poland is the guitar tone that is on the album, and it sounded just as good as Megadeth playing because of him being there playing his tone. Chris Quirarte having a good Mustaine tone on his vocals, also helped as well. 

[YtseJam]

It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)

This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.

At what point in time do you decide it's okay that the guy that you made sues you and then all of this isn't a strain? I'm sure if someone sued you it would never be water under the bridge, even if it was in 2004. I think all of this falls into the category of a strained relationship. When would you forgive the guy?

Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.

[cfmoran13]

At what point in time do you decide it's okay that the guy that you made sues you and then all of this isn't a strain? I'm sure if someone sued you it would never be water under the bridge, even if it was in 2004. I think all of this falls into the category of a strained relationship. When would you forgive the guy?

Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.

Personally, I don't know how you forgive someone, who was at some point a friend, who sues you for millions.  Perhaps, it really was his new-found faith kicking in.  Or, maybe he simply felt sorry for Ellefson.  Who knows?!?  But, you gotta imagine that the resentment doesn't disappear completely.  The strained relationship could simply be from that.  It could possible be from Mustaine getting fed up with all of Ellefson's 1000 projects outside of Megadeth.  Or, perhaps he hated the Tom guy who is partners with him in all of his stuff.  It definitely sounds like Ellefson is the only person who likes him.  If you're gonna put that "strained relationship" part out there, I think you have to expound upon that a bit or not mention it at all.

As for him being a "dirty old pervert", I think that's going a bit far.  I apologize if this comes off as crass but, have you never watched porn?  I'm 47, married and have a 14-year old daughter.  And, I don't think any differently about him.  Personally, I'd like to think that I've raised my daughter well enough that she wouldn't go online with strangers and do this type of thing.  Thank God, she has a really good head on her shoulders!  Anyway, this is no different from watching porn (I've done) or chatting up some webcam chick (I've never done).  The only difference is he's famous and he was careless/stupid to allow himself to be filmed.  He's human and made a mistake, a really dumb one.  I guess I'm "defending him" because, with the limited information out there at the moment, I don't really think he did anything "wrong".  How many actors, actresses, musicians and athletes have actually cheated on their spouses and continue to be supported and adored by the public (Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, Brad Pitt, Madonna)?!?  I'm not condoning the actions of ANY of these people, Ellefson included.  I'm simply stating people have done far worse than him and felt way less repercussions.  The people I feel the worst for are his wife and family.  This whole thing is gonna be horrible for them. 


I think what I have the biggest problem with are the bitch statements "Megadeth" has released since this has all come to light:

"There are clearly aspects of David's private life that he has kept to himself." 
Well, duh?!?  That's why it's called a personal life.  You don't have to share 100% of your life with anyone you don't want to. 

"While we do not know every detail of what occurred, with an already strained relationship, what has already been revealed now is enough to make working together impossible moving forward." 
So, "they" admit to firing him without knowing all the facts.  And, what has really been revealed?!?  He jerked it on video with a legal consenting adult. 

I'd feel better if the statement was directly from Mustaine and stated something like "Things have been strained between me and David ever since he sued me over 15 years ago.  I've tried to be a bigger man.  But, there are things I just can't move past.  I don't like all of his extra-curricular projects.  And, this embarrassing situation was simply the last straw.  I wish him well in the future.  But, David Ellefson is no longer in Megadeth."  Mustaine is the boss and can get rid of anyone in that band any time he wants.  At least it wouldn't have been some veiled legalese bullshit statement.  I would've respected him for that.

[jammindude]

Re: how do you forgive/lawsuit/“friends”

This is an easy answer that’s difficult to swallow.

Even if we think we’ve let go of the ideal that “4/5 best buds formed a band in their basement and made it huge” there is a part of our subconscious that still clings to that pipe dream. I literally cannot think of a huge band that made it in that way with the exception of Rush.

No matter how anyone attempts to portray themselves in the media, they are in reality just workmates and seeming like “brothers” is a combination of that ideal being good for business, and maybe a hint of shared experience creating a bit of comradeship.

But the lawsuit? Business. You had a business disagreement, you argued about it through the courts because solving it personally was no longer viable. A business arrangement was made, and eventually you may or may not decide to conduct business together again.

From what I can tell, Mustaine may not even like Junior that much, but he’s usually a reliable employee and keeping *some* semblance of “the band” ideal is good for business. But with every little thing that happens, you have to weigh the pros and cons of staying in business together. For now, Mustaine has decided that the cons outweigh the pros. But if that should change for any reason and he decides a reunion will be good for business, the olive branch will be extended.

I hate that this is true, not just with Megadeth, but with literally 99.9% of all the bands you love. Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Aerosmith etc etc etc.

They are unfortunately, workmates. That’s it.

[cramx3]

Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.

I'm not defending him per say.  I'm also not really a big megadeth fan nor really know much or care about Ellefson at all honestly.  It's not personal to me as I don't consider myself a big fan, or really much of a fan at all (I like some megadeth songs).   My issue with the whole thing is that even though I think it's wrong to cheat on your wife, what he did was a private legal consensual adult act. The fact that it became public bothers me a bit in the sense that someone actually did do something illegal by posting it online AND it cost him his job.  I'm single with no children in case you are wondering. I only flip it onto Mustaine because there's clearly other issues and this seems to be the aim of his blame when we know there's more to Dave not wanting him in the band. I do agree that he should not have done it in the first place or to engage in such things generally as a married man.

[Stadler]

It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)

This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.

At what point in time do you decide it's okay that the guy that you made sues you and then all of this isn't a strain? I'm sure if someone sued you it would never be water under the bridge, even if it was in 2004. I think all of this falls into the category of a strained relationship. When would you forgive the guy?

Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.

Wait, though.   The line you're drawing is not clear at all here.   Say I'm single, no kids, and are you saying if I engage in mutual masturbation over the internet with a willing, of-age partner, I should expect to lose my job?   Or that I'm then a dirty old pervert?  Even if I'm married, I don't see a difference, because that's between my wife and I; she may object and divorce me, or accept it, or hell, partake with me.  Or are you saying that the fact he's married is the problem (that I don't really disagree with, though I wouldn't say "dirty old pervert").   

For the record, in real life I have a daughter and a step-daughter, both over the age of consent in my state.   I-don't-wanna-know, but if it came up at dinner conversation that they were sex-chatting with their boyfriends online, my only advice would be: "don't tell me about this, I-don't-wanna-know, and oh, make sure your face isn't visible."   We're not talking about pornography for the masses or sex-worker stuff.  This is normal behavior for some.  Can't say I've ever used the Zoom for this (and probably won't) but I've done this over the phone with people I was not married to (thought not while I was married to someone else).

I guess I am defending him, then. 

[Stadler]

Re: how do you forgive/lawsuit/“friends”

This is an easy answer that’s difficult to swallow.

Even if we think we’ve let go of the ideal that “4/5 best buds formed a band in their basement and made it huge” there is a part of our subconscious that still clings to that pipe dream. I literally cannot think of a huge band that made it in that way with the exception of Rush.

No matter how anyone attempts to portray themselves in the media, they are in reality just workmates and seeming like “brothers” is a combination of that ideal being good for business, and maybe a hint of shared experience creating a bit of comradeship.

But the lawsuit? Business. You had a business disagreement, you argued about it through the courts because solving it personally was no longer viable. A business arrangement was made, and eventually you may or may not decide to conduct business together again.

From what I can tell, Mustaine may not even like Junior that much, but he’s usually a reliable employee and keeping *some* semblance of “the band” ideal is good for business. But with every little thing that happens, you have to weigh the pros and cons of staying in business together. For now, Mustaine has decided that the cons outweigh the pros. But if that should change for any reason and he decides a reunion will be good for business, the olive branch will be extended.

I hate that this is true, not just with Megadeth, but with literally 99.9% of all the bands you love. Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Aerosmith etc etc etc.

They are unfortunately, workmates. That’s it.

Actually, not even Rush; Neal  wasn't a part of that.  The only one I can think of is U2.  They literally were four best friends from Dublin.

Most bands are like you said: some form or fashion of work mates.  Even Paul and Gene, who are effusive in their "love" for each other, admit they rarely hang out outside of Kiss.  Someone here (I know who, but I'll let him voice up) has said he has on good authority that the members of Aerosmith don't speak outside of stage time. Ozzy sued Tony.   I think people have a biased view of "lawsuits"; they don't ALWAYS signify bad terms or irreparable relationships.

[kirksnosehair]

Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.

I'm not defending him per say.  I'm also not really a big megadeth fan nor really know much or care about Ellefson at all honestly.  It's not personal to me as I don't consider myself a big fan, or really much of a fan at all (I like some megadeth songs).   My issue with the whole thing is that even though I think it's wrong to cheat on your wife, what he did was a private legal consensual adult act. The fact that it became public bothers me a bit in the sense that someone actually did do something illegal by posting it online AND it cost him his job.  I'm single with no children in case you are wondering. I only flip it onto Mustaine because there's clearly other issues and this seems to be the aim of his blame when we know there's more to Dave not wanting him in the band. I do agree that he should not have done it in the first place or to engage in such things generally as a married man.

Fair point.  It's interesting to me how profound the impact of technology has been in our everyday lives.  As recently as 10 or 15 years ago, before Social Media became the juggernaut that it is now, this story would have never seen the light of day because there was really no way to instantly share something like this with literally the entire planet with just a few clicks. 


Three things have made this possible: 1.) phones, laptops and tablets all coming equipped with video cameras, 2.) Broadband Internet, even on cellular connections and 3.) social media.


The convergence of those three elements has led to a massive amount of upheaval and even social change or more precisely the yearning for social change. 

[Stadler]

Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.

I'm not defending him per say.  I'm also not really a big megadeth fan nor really know much or care about Ellefson at all honestly.  It's not personal to me as I don't consider myself a big fan, or really much of a fan at all (I like some megadeth songs).   My issue with the whole thing is that even though I think it's wrong to cheat on your wife, what he did was a private legal consensual adult act. The fact that it became public bothers me a bit in the sense that someone actually did do something illegal by posting it online AND it cost him his job.  I'm single with no children in case you are wondering. I only flip it onto Mustaine because there's clearly other issues and this seems to be the aim of his blame when we know there's more to Dave not wanting him in the band. I do agree that he should not have done it in the first place or to engage in such things generally as a married man.

Fair point.  It's interesting to me how profound the impact of technology has been in our everyday lives.  As recently as 10 or 15 years ago, before Social Media became the juggernaut that it is now, this story would have never seen the light of day because there was really no way to instantly share something like this with literally the entire planet with just a few clicks. 


Three things have made this possible: 1.) phones, laptops and tablets all coming equipped with video cameras, 2.) Broadband Internet, even on cellular connections and 3.) social media.


The convergence of those three elements has led to a massive amount of upheaval and even social change or more precisely the yearning for social change.

Well, even with the technology, there is the notion of "what's yours?".  I think the social media has influenced that as well.  Even with the technology to whack off over video technology, why does someone else ever get to think they can (or should) release that for everyone ELSE to see?   

Call me a whackjob, but if I came across someone's intimate photos, my first instinct isn't to blackmail them and put them on the interwebs.

[El Barto]

It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)

This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.

At what point in time do you decide it's okay that the guy that you made sues you and then all of this isn't a strain? I'm sure if someone sued you it would never be water under the bridge, even if it was in 2004. I think all of this falls into the category of a strained relationship. When would you forgive the guy?

If and when I realized that maybe he was right. I mentioned this in a different thread, but Ozzy certainly seems to have gotten over Daisley/Kerslake suing him. Probably because he realized they were right to do so. I have no idea who was in the right re the two Daves, but my hunch is that there's probably fault on all sides; there usually is. Realizing that is when sensible, decent people can put things behind them and move on.

Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.

You didn't offend me in as much as you offended yourself. What you posted made you come across as a dick. If that wasn't your intention then so be it, but you should consider that when you go around insulting people who don't share your particularly narrow point of view, you're not winning yourself any popularity points. Quite the contrary, in fact.

You say that you "can't fathom why some of us are defending him unless you're aligned with him." Maybe some of us simply don't share your values? Yeah, I think that's it.

[kirksnosehair]

Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.

I'm not defending him per say.  I'm also not really a big megadeth fan nor really know much or care about Ellefson at all honestly.  It's not personal to me as I don't consider myself a big fan, or really much of a fan at all (I like some megadeth songs).   My issue with the whole thing is that even though I think it's wrong to cheat on your wife, what he did was a private legal consensual adult act. The fact that it became public bothers me a bit in the sense that someone actually did do something illegal by posting it online AND it cost him his job.  I'm single with no children in case you are wondering. I only flip it onto Mustaine because there's clearly other issues and this seems to be the aim of his blame when we know there's more to Dave not wanting him in the band. I do agree that he should not have done it in the first place or to engage in such things generally as a married man.

Fair point.  It's interesting to me how profound the impact of technology has been in our everyday lives.  As recently as 10 or 15 years ago, before Social Media became the juggernaut that it is now, this story would have never seen the light of day because there was really no way to instantly share something like this with literally the entire planet with just a few clicks. 


Three things have made this possible: 1.) phones, laptops and tablets all coming equipped with video cameras, 2.) Broadband Internet, even on cellular connections and 3.) social media.


The convergence of those three elements has led to a massive amount of upheaval and even social change or more precisely the yearning for social change.

Well, even with the technology, there is the notion of "what's yours?".  I think the social media has influenced that as well.  Even with the technology to whack off over video technology, why does someone else ever get to think they can (or should) release that for everyone ELSE to see?   

Call me a whackjob, but if I came across someone's intimate photos, my first instinct isn't to blackmail them and put them on the interwebs.

There is not one bit of daylight between us on this.      

[kirksnosehair]

By the way, just putting it out there that when a person is 19 in every state in the US they are well above the age of consent.  They highest age of consent states have it set at 18.  Once you are 18 you are an adult when it comes to matters of sexual contact with other consenting adults.  Full stop.  That's the law of the land.

[El Barto]

By the way, just putting it out there that when a person is 19 in every state in the US they are well above the age of consent.  They highest age of consent states have it set at 18.  Once you are 18 you are an adult when it comes to matters of sexual contact with other consenting adults.  Full stop.  That's the law of the land.

Except in Texas, where you can get laid at 17, do porn when you're 18, but as of Tuesday can't dance in a titty bar until you're 21.

[kirksnosehair]

"Wait, what?"


"It's Texas"


"Oh, right. Nevermind"

[El Barto]

"Wait, what?"


"It's Texas"


"Oh, right. Nevermind"

Two years ago that assessment typically pissed me off. People tended to mistake us for Florida in terms of back-asswards craziness, when we really weren't even close. The last two years have really changed things, though. This place really is becoming that fucking crazy.

And the sad part is that the law they just signed will really hurt a lot of the people the allegedly want to protect. Girls 18-21 really are often times dancing their way through college. Twenty-two year olds who are still dancing are typically the ones who need help. Details like that tend to be lost on old men who only care about appearances rather than reality.

[kirksnosehair]

Plus, it's always special to have 50 (or whatever number your legislature is) almost exclusively white over-50 men deciding public policy for all women. 


Welcome to 1952

[YtseJam]

It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)

This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.

At what point in time do you decide it's okay that the guy that you made sues you and then all of this isn't a strain? I'm sure if someone sued you it would never be water under the bridge, even if it was in 2004. I think all of this falls into the category of a strained relationship. When would you forgive the guy?

If and when I realized that maybe he was right. I mentioned this in a different thread, but Ozzy certainly seems to have gotten over Daisley/Kerslake suing him. Probably because he realized they were right to do so. I have no idea who was in the right re the two Daves, but my hunch is that there's probably fault on all sides; there usually is. Realizing that is when sensible, decent people can put things behind them and move on.

Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.

You didn't offend me in as much as you offended yourself. What you posted made you come across as a dick. If that wasn't your intention then so be it, but you should consider that when you go around insulting people who don't share your particularly narrow point of view, you're not winning yourself any popularity points. Quite the contrary, in fact.

You say that you "can't fathom why some of us are defending him unless you're aligned with him." Maybe some of us simply don't share your values? Yeah, I think that's it.

If defending a 60 year old man in a metal band who beats off on camera to young girls aligns with your values, then I am happy that our values don't align. If you think I'm a dick, I couldn't care less, I'm not trying to impress you or be your friend, I maintain great relationships with lots of people in real life who feel the same as I do. I guess I'm lucky to have other dick friends in the real world. I did not join the DT fan forums 20years ago to gain popularity points, as I'm sure you don't know me just like I don't know you. I came here because in real life, you aren't likely to be able to talk about anything related to the band since they aren't well liked or known by the average person. With that being said, if you think I'm a dick, well perception is reality so I guess the same could be said about you.

[bosk1]

Well, the two of you certainly don't have to like each other.  But you do need to get along reasonably, so let's take it down a notch before it gets taken up a notch, okay?  [/humble request from the mod staff]


That said, I don't think there's anything wrong with having strong feelings on either side of the issue.  You (everybody) are entitled to feel how you want to feel about the situation.  I think the bottom line has already been posted:  Mustaine made his decision, and was well within his right to do so, and one can either agree or disagree, think he is right, or think he is an idiot, or some combination of the above. 

[TAC]

I think he's rightly an idiot.

[El Barto]

It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)

This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.

At what point in time do you decide it's okay that the guy that you made sues you and then all of this isn't a strain? I'm sure if someone sued you it would never be water under the bridge, even if it was in 2004. I think all of this falls into the category of a strained relationship. When would you forgive the guy?

If and when I realized that maybe he was right. I mentioned this in a different thread, but Ozzy certainly seems to have gotten over Daisley/Kerslake suing him. Probably because he realized they were right to do so. I have no idea who was in the right re the two Daves, but my hunch is that there's probably fault on all sides; there usually is. Realizing that is when sensible, decent people can put things behind them and move on.

Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.

You didn't offend me in as much as you offended yourself. What you posted made you come across as a dick. If that wasn't your intention then so be it, but you should consider that when you go around insulting people who don't share your particularly narrow point of view, you're not winning yourself any popularity points. Quite the contrary, in fact.

You say that you "can't fathom why some of us are defending him unless you're aligned with him." Maybe some of us simply don't share your values? Yeah, I think that's it.

If defending a 60 year old man in a metal band who beats off on camera to young girls aligns with your values, then I am happy that our values don't align. If you think I'm a dick, I couldn't care less, I'm not trying to impress you or be your friend, I maintain great relationships with lots of people in real life who feel the same as I do. I guess I'm lucky to have other dick friends in the real world. I did not join the DT fan forums 20years ago to gain popularity points, as I'm sure you don't know me just like I don't know you. I came here because in real life, you aren't likely to be able to talk about anything related to the band since they aren't well liked or known by the average person. With that being said, if you think I'm a dick, well perception is reality so I guess the same could be said about you.

I didn't call you a dick. I said your post made you come across like one, which may or may not have been your intention. As for our respective values, mine are pretty straight forward. I don't give a fuck what somebody does in their private life. An attitude I extend to everybody, including you. It's simply not my place to judge others for how they get their kicks. It seems that an absence of moral judgement is indeed a value we do not share.

Well, the two of you certainly don't have to like each other.  But you do need to get along reasonably, so let's take it down a notch before it gets taken up a notch, okay?  [/humble request from the mod staff]

 

[YtseJam]

Well, the two of you certainly don't have to like each other.  But you do need to get along reasonably, so let's take it down a notch before it gets taken up a notch, okay?  [/humble request from the mod staff]


That said, I don't think there's anything wrong with having strong feelings on either side of the issue.  You (everybody) are entitled to feel how you want to feel about the situation.  I think the bottom line has already been posted:  Mustaine made his decision, and was well within his right to do so, and one can either agree or disagree, think he is right, or think he is an idiot, or some combination of the above.

I think we both made our points, and I'm not here to cause drama. I don't hate or dislike anyone here over it, unfortunately this is today's world. People either agree or disagree, left or right, common ground seems to elude us on all subjects. Peace

[Ben_Jamin]

Well, the two of you certainly don't have to like each other.  But you do need to get along reasonably, so let's take it down a notch before it gets taken up a notch, okay?  [/humble request from the mod staff]


That said, I don't think there's anything wrong with having strong feelings on either side of the issue.  You (everybody) are entitled to feel how you want to feel about the situation.  I think the bottom line has already been posted:  Mustaine made his decision, and was well within his right to do so, and one can either agree or disagree, think he is right, or think he is an idiot, or some combination of the above.

I think we both made our points, and I'm not here to cause drama. I don't hate or dislike anyone here over it, unfortunately this is today's world. People either agree or disagree, left or right, common ground seems to elude us on all subjects. Peace

What is the common ground here?

I dont think there is. As we do not know all the facts. All we are basing our opinions on are Assumptions, and Expectations.

Assumptions of Ellefsons intent. And Expectations for how one should act, and in this case how a band member should act.

I for one do not care. And am just responding with my assumption and reasonings for why Mustaine fired Ellefson. I am not going to argue over an assumption. If we want to know just ask Mustaine himself, that is if will tell you the truth. Until then, its all just assumptions, no need to get into a heated argument over that...

But here, in this circumstance, Mustaine got rid of Ellefson due to Ellefsons own actions and choices. Not anyone else's fault besides the one who chose to perform that action which is what caused the stir and spotlight to shine all over Ellefson who has glitter all over his hands.

This is not about Mustaine being Mustaine. It's about Ellefson and his unwise choice to do what he did. And Mustaine showed to the world, he isn't one to tolerate that kind of behavior and act from his band mates.

The focus is on the music and the priority is playing live to the fans who bought tickets to a postponed show. The band knows they have a responsibility for the fans of Megadeth.

For the music and the fans, getting rid of the extra baggage is the right thing to do. I mean, it is what happened to Mustaine, in order for Metallica to continue their responsibility to the fans of Metallica and keep playing shows.

[bl5150]

On a less serious note ,  Kiko Loureiro's Facebook account has been hacked by one of those Chinese/Korean accounts that loves to post those "check out this amazing moment etc..." posts and everyone is having plenty of fun at his expense , including a few bands known around these parts (Teramaze for one).

[Ben_Jamin]

On a less serious note ,  Kiko Loureiro's Facebook account has been hacked by one of those Chinese/Korean accounts that loves to post those "check out this amazing moment etc..." posts and everyone is having plenty of fun at his expense , including a few bands known around these parts (Teramaze for one).

I saw that and was wondering what it was about.

[Moor]

Courtesy of everyone's favorite metal tabloid, Blabbermouth...

Earlier today (Sunday, May 30), Jason's wife Nicole took to her Instagram to pour cold water on fans' hopes of seeing her husband share the stage with Dave Mustaine and company.

She wrote: "Hi guys! Two things
"1. Jason is not joining MEGADETH. peace to them. Listen to metal
"2. Jason does not have social media accounts; this includes but is not limited to TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Onlyfans and Tinder. "If you are receiving dm's from the Jason Newsted music account or any other account claiming to be Jason please know this is not Jason and proceed at your own risk".

This gave me some Jaci Gillette vibes! 

[Stadler]

It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)

This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.

At what point in time do you decide it's okay that the guy that you made sues you and then all of this isn't a strain? I'm sure if someone sued you it would never be water under the bridge, even if it was in 2004. I think all of this falls into the category of a strained relationship. When would you forgive the guy?

If and when I realized that maybe he was right. I mentioned this in a different thread, but Ozzy certainly seems to have gotten over Daisley/Kerslake suing him. Probably because he realized they were right to do so. I have no idea who was in the right re the two Daves, but my hunch is that there's probably fault on all sides; there usually is. Realizing that is when sensible, decent people can put things behind them and move on.

Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.

You didn't offend me in as much as you offended yourself. What you posted made you come across as a dick. If that wasn't your intention then so be it, but you should consider that when you go around insulting people who don't share your particularly narrow point of view, you're not winning yourself any popularity points. Quite the contrary, in fact.

You say that you "can't fathom why some of us are defending him unless you're aligned with him." Maybe some of us simply don't share your values? Yeah, I think that's it.

If defending a 60 year old man in a metal band who beats off on camera to young girls aligns with your values, then I am happy that our values don't align. If you think I'm a dick, I couldn't care less, I'm not trying to impress you or be your friend, I maintain great relationships with lots of people in real life who feel the same as I do. I guess I'm lucky to have other dick friends in the real world. I did not join the DT fan forums 20years ago to gain popularity points, as I'm sure you don't know me just like I don't know you. I came here because in real life, you aren't likely to be able to talk about anything related to the band since they aren't well liked or known by the average person. With that being said, if you think I'm a dick, well perception is reality so I guess the same could be said about you.

I don't think you're a dick, but I'm confused why YOUR values have to be someone else's values, and I'm confused why "letting someone else choose their values" means "defending a 60 year old man in a metal band who beats off on camera to young girls".  I don't have to like (or do myself) what someone else does, but it's not my place to tell anyone what to do.   People swing.  People smoke dope.  People engage in same-sex behavior.  People tie other people up.   What you beat off to is your bizniss, and no one else's.