Megadeth

[cfmoran13]

You're talking about the bass player in a thrash band that's run by an ego-maniacal asshole who was a raging alcoholic and drug addict for between 10 and 20 years.  And, I'm a Megadeth fan.  What kind of image are you talking about?!?  People who have done way worse have been able to maintain careers (Vince Neil, anyone?!?). In the grand scheme of things, him jerking it is not that big a deal.  I, myself, never sought out any videos or pictures of what he did.  So, anytime I see them from now on, this certainly won't be entering my thoughts at all.  The dude wasn't thinking with the head on his shoulders.  He did no harm to himself or anyone else.  He just became a little more human.  In a perfect world, this non-issue would be gone by the next time the bass intro to "Peace Sells" was done.

[darkshade]

This is the Louis CK of music star sex scandals.

[YtseJam]

True but look at how people act now vs then, We didn't have cancel culture happening.

[darkshade]

True but look at how people act now vs then, We didn't have cancel culture happening.

We did, at that point they called it "me too".

[RodrigoAltaf]

Megadeth is pretty much ruined for me now. How dare they have a bass player who masturbates? And online, of all places?? Who does he think he is??!?!?? Such a pervert!

[cramx3]

You're talking about the bass player in a thrash band that's run by an ego-maniacal asshole who was a raging alcoholic and drug addict for between 10 and 20 years.  And, I'm a Megadeth fan.  What kind of image are you talking about?!?  People who have done way worse have been able to maintain careers (Vince Neil, anyone?!?). In the grand scheme of things, him jerking it is not that big a deal.

Totally agree. 

[eric42434224]

Davey might want to do a bit of self-reflection, and remember if he felt it was OK that Metallica kicked him to the curb for making mistakes.  If he is ok with it (really ok with it, and publicly so....I actually don't know the answer to that), then he is being consistent if he kicks him out.  If his position is that Metallica should have worked with him to give him an opportunity at redemption and preserve the relationship, well then he should do the same.  Personally, considering what people let slide in todays world, and considering the context of his job is playing in a thrash band, I think this is a big old double bacon and cheese nothing burger.

[TM172003]

  If his position is that Metallica should have worked with him to give him an opportunity at redemption and preserve the relationship, well then he should do the same. 

https://youtu.be/mYQWzdPM6d4?t=82

[Grappler]

I recall rumors and talk of Mustaine's infidelity 20-ish years ago, but with today's society I guess he's taking steps he feels he needs to take.  Seems like he had more issues with David that weren't made public.  At least I got to see Ellefson with Megadeth again in 2010 when he came back and played Rust in Peace in full with the band.

[Volante99]

Wouldn’t be surprised if Mustaine wanted Ellefson out and this whole scandal was just an excuse.

Like most one-man bands, there’s usually a power/money struggle and we know Mustaine’s and Ellefson’s issues with that go way back. I’m sure there were still hard feelings there and Ellefson probably wanted a bigger slice of the pie whereas Mustaine probably sees no reason to pay a bassist more than minimum wage...good opportunity to free up some cash in the books. 

But that’s my pure cynical speculation on the situation.

[geeeemo]

Well,  since this topic is now kind of eeew....I hope the replacement bass player is as hot as Kiko.     I will be seeing Megadeth in August.

[cramx3]

Wouldn’t be surprised if Mustaine wanted Ellefson out and this whole scandal was just an excuse.

This is my best guess too. I dont really think what he did was anything worse than cheating on your wife which typically doesn't get you fired.  But the press release mentions an already strained relationship, I guess this was just the tipping point.

[goo-goo]

Wouldn’t be surprised if Mustaine wanted Ellefson out and this whole scandal was just an excuse.

This is my best guess too. I dont really think what he did was anything worse than cheating on your wife which typically doesn't get you fired.  But the press release mentions an already strained relationship, I guess this was just the tipping point.

True but the claims also said the woman was underage and was being "groomed". Even though the woman came out and said everything was consensual, but there's no denying the "underage" association with Dave E. and Megadeth would have a negative effect in the band, specially in this age.

[Kotowboy]

For two guys who are supposed to be Christian - they sure don't act like it.

True but the claims also said the woman was underage and was being "groomed". Even though the woman came out and said everything was consensual, but there's no denying the "underage" association with Dave E. and Megadeth would have a negative effect in the band, specially in this age.

If I was in a famous band i'd be too scared to talk to any females fans incase I get accused of something I 100% didn't do - and it ends my career anyway because

you're guilty immediately until proven innocent but even then your career is still fucked.

Except in rare cases. I bet nobody remembers the Maynard Keenan accusations. Which ended almost overnight when people realised it was a scam.


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I've never liked MegaDeth. I find it funny that Megadeth have had around 50 members - and only 2 people have ever been kicked out of Metallica - one of which is now in Megadeth.

[cramx3]

My understanding the female was of age, so nothing illegal happened.  I guess there could be more to the story that we don't know, but on the surface this seems like an over reaction.

[Ben_Jamin]

Damn...Tensions were just that bad already. Yup, I can see how this can be a tipping point. Mustaine likely gave Ellefson a sort of agreement deal as well, knowing tensions were high already.

Probably could be a deal that Dave took, so that Megadeth could make more money as well, with the Rust in Peace tour, and having the original bassist, especially playing Dawn Patrol, and then just dealing with it for the future tours as it did take in more money.

Dave's tolerance just had enough, and the better thing to do would be to let him go. Or else, him and Ellefson could've been throwing blows at each other.

[Stadler]

I struggle with these things.   It's Dave's band and he can do with it what he wants.  If he thinks this will damage the brand so be it.   But to make it a moral question is sort of sketch to me.   She's 19, she's able to form consent in all U.S. jurisdictions that I'm aware of; whether Ellefson's wife is up for it or not is up to her, and not Mustaine's business.   As for the act itself, it's not my thing (the video and online part; no comment on the other part! ) but then again, so what?  There's plenty out there that I wouldn't do that is certainly no one else's place to judge.

[Ben_Jamin]

I struggle with these things.   It's Dave's band and he can do with it what he wants.  If he thinks this will damage the brand so be it.   But to make it a moral question is sort of sketch to me.   She's 19, she's able to form consent in all U.S. jurisdictions that I'm aware of; whether Ellefson's wife is up for it or not is up to her, and not Mustaine's business.   As for the act itself, it's not my thing (the video and online part; no comment on the other part! ) but then again, so what?  There's plenty out there that I wouldn't do that is certainly no one else's place to judge.

I don't think the reason for Dave firing Ellefson is the allegations, although it was the reason for Dave's tolerance to reach it's tipping point that caused the firing. Since the tensions were already pretty high to begin with.

I myself do not care about these allegations of Ellefson.

If Mustaine just plain out fired him, it's likely he doesn't care at all about the allegations, he just doesn't want to tolerate Ellefson anymore.

[kirksnosehair]

Nope, I can't seem to summon one ounce of sympathy for a 56 year old dude who thought beating off in full view on video and giving it to some kid who's young enough to be his daughter was something he should do.   Trust me, guys, unless you're taking huge doses of testosterone and snorting cialis at 56 years old it's exceedingly rare that your little head is going to be making any decisions for you in the same way it did when you were in your 20's and 30's.  That's not to say you can't have a thriving and fulfilling sex life as a 56-year-old dude.  And I get it, man, I really do.  Banging your presumably 50-something-year-old wife is probably kind of like throwing a hotdog into a hallway, so, I get the allure of a 19-year-old's body and spank the monkey all you want if that's what tickles your nuts, but don't do it on video, dumbass. 

[ProfessorPeart]

This should not have cost Ellefson his job. That statement is dumb as the woman, and I mean woman, made a statement about what happened shortly after the initial story broke.

"Yes, those video calls did happen, but I was the one to initiate it and never was I underage, I was always a consenting adult. Nothing inappropriate ever happened before that. It was all consensual, I'm not a victim and I have not been groomed in the slightest as I was the one to initiate it," the woman stated.

2 consenting adults doing something. Yes, he's married. Did he kill someone, rape someone, etc? What really bothers me is looking at all of the comments on his firing and seeing the term pedo being thrown around. Dude had a non-contact sexual encounter with another adult and is having his life and career affected in a bad way.

It's just not right. Who wants to bet that Mustaine now has all of the bass redone on the new album?

[Adami]

I doubt it’s punishment as much as PR clean up. I doubt Mustaine wants to spend his promotion cycle discussing this. He wants to talk about the album and tour. So he’s ditching the bad press. I doubt it’s more than that to be honest.

[kirksnosehair]

I doubt it’s punishment as much as PR clean up. I doubt Mustaine wants to spend his promotion cycle discussing this. He wants to talk about the album and tour. So he’s ditching the bad press. I doubt it’s more than that to be honest.

I think there's more to it than just PR clean up, though.  Because ProfessorPeart is 100% right that all of this went down between two consenting adults.  It's just that one of those consenting adults has monumentally terrible judgement. 


But I think Mustaine has been wanting to jettison Ellefson ever since the lawsuit debacle and this gave him the pretext he needed.  That's why I think Ellefson is such a fucking dumbass for doing something like this on video.  It doesn't really matter that they are two consenting adults, it gave Mustaine what he needed to finally cut Ellefson loose and Ellefson has no one to blame but himself.  This is a completely unforced error.

[Dedalus]

Well... Mustaine's band, so...

Well,  since this topic is now kind of eeew....I hope the replacement bass player is as hot as Kiko.     I will be seeing Megadeth in August.

 

Nope, I can't seem to summon one ounce of sympathy for a 56 year old dude who thought beating off in full view on video and giving it to some kid who's young enough to be his daughter was something he should do.   Trust me, guys, unless you're taking huge doses of testosterone and snorting cialis at 56 years old it's exceedingly rare that your little head is going to be making any decisions for you in the same way it did when you were in your 20's and 30's.  That's not to say you can't have a thriving and fulfilling sex life as a 56-year-old dude.  And I get it, man, I really do.  Banging your presumably 50-something-year-old wife is probably kind of like throwing a hotdog into a hallway, so, I get the allure of a 19-year-old's body and spank the monkey all you want if that's what tickles your nuts, but don't do it on video, dumbass. 

 

I can understand your point.

[Dedalus]

This should not have cost Ellefson his job. That statement is dumb as the woman, and I mean woman, made a statement about what happened shortly after the initial story broke.

"Yes, those video calls did happen, but I was the one to initiate it and never was I underage, I was always a consenting adult. Nothing inappropriate ever happened before that. It was all consensual, I'm not a victim and I have not been groomed in the slightest as I was the one to initiate it," the woman stated.

2 consenting adults doing something. Yes, he's married. Did he kill someone, rape someone, etc? What really bothers me is looking at all of the comments on his firing and seeing the term pedo being thrown around. Dude had a non-contact sexual encounter with another adult and is having his life and career affected in a bad way.

It's just not right. Who wants to bet that Mustaine now has all of the bass redone on the new album?

You're right. But things in life have consequences and some of them concern your boss.   

[Setlist Scotty]

But I think Mustaine has been wanting to jettison Ellefson ever since the lawsuit debacle and this gave him the pretext he needed. 

Wait - what lawsuit debacle?

[romdrums]

This should not have cost Ellefson his job. That statement is dumb as the woman, and I mean woman, made a statement about what happened shortly after the initial story broke.

"Yes, those video calls did happen, but I was the one to initiate it and never was I underage, I was always a consenting adult. Nothing inappropriate ever happened before that. It was all consensual, I'm not a victim and I have not been groomed in the slightest as I was the one to initiate it," the woman stated.

2 consenting adults doing something. Yes, he's married. Did he kill someone, rape someone, etc? What really bothers me is looking at all of the comments on his firing and seeing the term pedo being thrown around. Dude had a non-contact sexual encounter with another adult and is having his life and career affected in a bad way.

It's just not right. Who wants to bet that Mustaine now has all of the bass redone on the new album?

You're right. But things in life have consequences and some of them concern your boss.   

Yep.  That's the punishment due.

[TAC]

This should not have cost Ellefson his job. That statement is dumb as the woman, and I mean woman, made a statement about what happened shortly after the initial story broke.

"Yes, those video calls did happen, but I was the one to initiate it and never was I underage, I was always a consenting adult. Nothing inappropriate ever happened before that. It was all consensual, I'm not a victim and I have not been groomed in the slightest as I was the one to initiate it," the woman stated.

2 consenting adults doing something. Yes, he's married. Did he kill someone, rape someone, etc? What really bothers me is looking at all of the comments on his firing and seeing the term pedo being thrown around. Dude had a non-contact sexual encounter with another adult and is having his life and career affected in a bad way.

It's just not right. Who wants to bet that Mustaine now has all of the bass redone on the new album?

You're right. But things in life have consequences and some of them concern your boss.   

Yep.  That's the punishment due.

It was his reckoning day.

[romdrums]

This should not have cost Ellefson his job. That statement is dumb as the woman, and I mean woman, made a statement about what happened shortly after the initial story broke.

"Yes, those video calls did happen, but I was the one to initiate it and never was I underage, I was always a consenting adult. Nothing inappropriate ever happened before that. It was all consensual, I'm not a victim and I have not been groomed in the slightest as I was the one to initiate it," the woman stated.

2 consenting adults doing something. Yes, he's married. Did he kill someone, rape someone, etc? What really bothers me is looking at all of the comments on his firing and seeing the term pedo being thrown around. Dude had a non-contact sexual encounter with another adult and is having his life and career affected in a bad way.

It's just not right. Who wants to bet that Mustaine now has all of the bass redone on the new album?

You're right. But things in life have consequences and some of them concern your boss.   

Yep.  That's the punishment due.

It was his reckoning day.

I bet he was sweating bullets when he found out that leaked.

[kaos2900]

The whole message from Dave tells it all. He doesn't know every detail but there was already a strained relationship so now he has an excuse to can him. Case closed.

[Dedalus]

This should not have cost Ellefson his job. That statement is dumb as the woman, and I mean woman, made a statement about what happened shortly after the initial story broke.

"Yes, those video calls did happen, but I was the one to initiate it and never was I underage, I was always a consenting adult. Nothing inappropriate ever happened before that. It was all consensual, I'm not a victim and I have not been groomed in the slightest as I was the one to initiate it," the woman stated.

2 consenting adults doing something. Yes, he's married. Did he kill someone, rape someone, etc? What really bothers me is looking at all of the comments on his firing and seeing the term pedo being thrown around. Dude had a non-contact sexual encounter with another adult and is having his life and career affected in a bad way.

It's just not right. Who wants to bet that Mustaine now has all of the bass redone on the new album?

You're right. But things in life have consequences and some of them concern your boss.   

Yep.  That's the punishment due.

It was his reckoning day.

I bet he was sweating bullets when he found out that leaked.

Ellefson puts himself at RISK.

[Ben_Jamin]

The whole message from Dave tells it all. He doesn't know every detail but there was already a strained relationship so now he has an excuse to can him. Case closed.

Basically. Everything else doesn't matter. It states his reason for firing him. And that reason was cause he was tired of him already and this gave him that excuse to give him the old heave ho toss.

Ellefson should have known, and should know, what being in Mustaines band entails. Yet, he did this and it happened, and there was an allegation, and Dave isn't sure exactly what this may cause down the road, and doesn't want to risk anything happening during the tour that has just been rescheduled.

All I cared about was if the tour would still happen. Since it is happening, Dave basically said that the tour is what matters and any dead weight preventing this from happening will be dealt with.

When you look at it from the perspective of the band. It's the best option they have to continue playing and not have to cancel. They're not going to lose out on the money they desperately need now. Cancelling, is the most unwise decision you could make right now.

[YtseJam]

I saw it cumming

[wolfking]

I have no issue.  Stupid thing to do on Ellefson's part and it's Mustaines band, he can do what he wants and whatever else was going this obviously was the straw that broke the camel's back then fine, so be it.

[Kotowboy]

I'd love to see Newsted step in.

[WilliamMunny]

I'd love to see Newsted step in.

I'll second that!