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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #140 on: April 27, 2010, 01:59:56 PM »
Radical Muslims threaten to kill people who draw Muhammad. The purpose of everybody draw Muhammad day is to try showing that nobody should have the power to silence speech through violence. If it was just a matter of Muslims being offended, the debate would be different.
But this is another good point as well.

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« Reply #141 on: April 27, 2010, 02:02:51 PM »
Radical Muslims don't care though, if you think you shouldn't be silenced via the threat of violence.  They're going to do what they think is right, despite Americans protesting.  They lean towards violent anyway, so I know I'M having no intention of rocking the boat and potentially pissing them off to the point that they take more American lives over something that in the grand scheme of things is really pretty unimportant.

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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #142 on: April 27, 2010, 02:12:51 PM »
Radical Muslims threaten to kill people who draw Muhammad. The purpose of everybody draw Muhammad day is to try showing that nobody should have the power to silence speech through violence. If it was just a matter of Muslims being offended, the debate would be different.

OK, but surely we can come up with a more creative way of protesting this, right? Do we really need to basically stoop down to their level in order to get a quick shot back at them?

Why offend an entire group of people when you don't have to?
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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #143 on: April 27, 2010, 02:15:03 PM »
I'm still waiting for what an appropriate from of protest would be that also makes a point. Like I said, saying you won't be intimidated but still doing exactly what they say holds absolutely no weight


If you've got one, I'd love to hear it.

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« Reply #144 on: April 27, 2010, 02:19:38 PM »
I'm still waiting for what an appropriate from of protest would be that also makes a point. Like I said, saying you won't be intimidated but still doing exactly what they say holds absolutely no weight


If you've got one, I'd love to hear it.

I'm afraid that coming up with something like that falls in your hands (or the people that want to actually protest this). I mean, I can offer things (and I will should I think of any) but it ultimately is not my decision seeing as I cannot control anyone but myself.
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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #145 on: April 27, 2010, 02:22:24 PM »
It wasn't meant to be a challenge, I'm genuinely curious if anyone has any ideas. I certainly can't think of anything else. How do you tell someone they can't keep you silent while at the same time remaining silent?

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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #146 on: April 27, 2010, 02:25:00 PM »
I'm definitely the wrong person to ask since I pretty much categorically believe protests are silly and are a waste of time.
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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #147 on: April 27, 2010, 02:32:43 PM »
It wasn't meant to be a challenge, I'm genuinely curious if anyone has any ideas. I certainly can't think of anything else. How do you tell someone they can't keep you silent while at the same time remaining silent?
I guess I just don't see a need to protest anything in this case.
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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #148 on: April 27, 2010, 02:59:12 PM »
Radical Muslims threaten to kill people who draw Muhammad. The purpose of everybody draw Muhammad day is to try showing that nobody should have the power to silence speech through violence. If it was just a matter of Muslims being offended, the debate would be different.

OK, but surely we can come up with a more creative way of protesting this, right? Do we really need to basically stoop down to their level in order to get a quick shot back at them?

Why offend an entire group of people when you don't have to?

How is it stooping down to their level? You aren't drawing Muhammad then sawing a Muslim's head off. You're just drawing Muhammad.

As for why? Because free speech is probably the most important right human beings have. Threatening violence for speech is therefore among the lowest of crimes you can commit.

I'm definitely the wrong person to ask since I pretty much categorically believe protests are silly and are a waste of time.

I'm not saying everyone draw Muhammad day isn't a little silly, but it's not as bad as most protests. Most protests come down to "I think there should be no war, so instead of actually doing something to end the war, I'm gonna make a public display out of how much I dislike it." In this case, the issue at hand is radical Muslims saying don't draw Muhammad, and you're responding by actually drawing Muhammad instead of talking about how lame it is not to.
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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #149 on: April 27, 2010, 03:00:37 PM »
so let me get this straight...we have people calling for respectful treatment for a group of individuals who threaten violence towards someone who draws a single picture of a man of which no one even knows what he looks like? really? REALLY?


and fuck religion. i respect peoples right to religion, thats fine and dandy. but i do not respect their religion. i mean, if we offer up respect to someone's religion of which their scripture/beliefs forbid anyone to draw their prophet, then shouldnt, in the case of consistent ethics, respect their right to kill infidels (such as happened on 9/11) as it says in their scripture?

if they dont wanna draw something, thats fine. thats their belief, ill respect their decision not to. but i would expect their respect to me for me to act in accordance to my beliefs, of which drawing a little picture is fine.

the whole bloody mary episode of south park...isnt that disrespecting a religious figure that means a lot to some people? and isnt not drawing mohammed a sign of respect towards a certain religious figure?

this whole thing is to show that no one can claim superiority in cases such as these just by threatening violence. saying that you are off limits does not mean you are off limits. sorry, it doesn't.

if you do wanna draw mohammed, thats fine. if you dont, thats fine too. but if you do, you shouldnt have to be threatened with your life because of the shape and image a hunk of ink makes on a piece of paper. its time for people to grow up, both those who threaten over an image, and those who think the image shouldnt be drawn because they are arguing for some warped sense of respect to be shown to those who offer none themselves.




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« Reply #150 on: April 27, 2010, 04:19:07 PM »
so let me get this straight...we have people calling for respectful treatment for a group of individuals who threaten violence towards someone who draws a single picture of a man of which no one even knows what he looks like? really? REALLY?

...not really. We have people calling for respectful treatment for the majority of the muslim world since it's a tenet of their religion not to draw Mohamed. People are saying it's a dick move to piss off a large group of people (who have nothing to do with extremists) with a protest that's going to accomplish basically nothing.

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« Reply #151 on: April 27, 2010, 05:05:12 PM »
In this case, the issue at hand is radical Muslims saying don't draw Muhammad, and you're responding by actually drawing Muhammad instead of talking about how lame it is not to.
No.  In this case, ALL Muslims are saying "Don't draw Muhammad," and the minority are really being dicks about it.  And you're responding by pissing off ALL of them, even though most of them didn't do anything.  So the ones who didn't do anything see their religion mocked, and the ones who are being dicks about it are laughing it up.

Real effective protest there.
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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #152 on: April 27, 2010, 05:58:26 PM »
so let me get this straight...we have people calling for respectful treatment for a group of individuals who threaten violence towards someone who draws a single picture of a man of which no one even knows what he looks like? really? REALLY?

...not really. We have people calling for respectful treatment for the majority of the muslim world since it's a tenet of their religion not to draw Mohamed. People are saying it's a dick move to piss off a large group of people (who have nothing to do with extremists) with a protest that's going to accomplish basically nothing.


Well, its a tenant of the bible to kill a man who cheats...so....you got the knife? what would we do if someone was calling for that respect?

And since this whole world seems too chicken shit to do it, here....this emoticon is my portrayal of muhammed...

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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #153 on: April 27, 2010, 06:08:41 PM »
That kind of thing adds nothing to the discussion, prog.fusion.  If you have something constructive to add to the discussion, by all means have at it.  But don't post just to stir the pot.
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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #154 on: April 27, 2010, 06:25:10 PM »
Even violence aside, why must we worry about offending any religion?  Isn't that the point of religious satire?

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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #155 on: April 27, 2010, 06:29:03 PM »
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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #156 on: April 27, 2010, 06:31:46 PM »
Who is that in your avatar anyway? :lol

Honestly, I'm really not sure.  I think it's a pop star chick, but I can't remember who.  I think I snagged it from a Fark thread.

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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #157 on: April 27, 2010, 06:32:58 PM »
That kind of thing adds nothing to the discussion, prog.fusion.  If you have something constructive to add to the discussion, by all means have at it.  But don't post just to stir the pot.


i did not post to stir the pot, i posted my last post to ask/show what would happen if someone wanted to faithfully implement their religion on society, like muslims do with bans on little pictures, but this time it was something different, yet the same. my point also had a question that should have made one think, "am i saying be respectful because its a tenant of their religion, or because im just scared." i then inferred that it was the latter, and showed it is nothing to be scared of with my internet forum version of muhammed.

now, my little picture, how is that offensive, because like i said, we dont even know what he looked like. theres no reference picture or anything....people are just chicken shit about this whole thing because muslims are using the threat of violence. many religions in this country claim aspects of their tenants but no one implements them into society, why? because they dont threaten to end lives because of it. it all coms down to this.....do you have the balls to stand up against opression, or not?


its not stirring the pot, that sounds like a nice fucking point to me.

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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #158 on: April 27, 2010, 06:33:02 PM »
Who is that in your avatar anyway? :lol

Honestly, I'm really not sure.  I think it's a pop star chick, but I can't remember who.  I think I snagged it from a Fark thread.

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« Reply #159 on: April 27, 2010, 06:36:19 PM »
:lol no problem.  The only reason I found that post was because I was wondering the same thing.

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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #160 on: April 27, 2010, 08:33:42 PM »
In this case, the issue at hand is radical Muslims saying don't draw Muhammad, and you're responding by actually drawing Muhammad instead of talking about how lame it is not to.

No.  In this case, ALL Muslims are saying "Don't draw Muhammad," and the minority are really being dicks about it.  And you're responding by pissing off ALL of them, even though most of them didn't do anything.  So the ones who didn't do anything see their religion mocked, and the ones who are being dicks about it are laughing it up.

Real effective protest there.

I really doubt all Muslims are saying not to draw Muhammad.

Even if they are, what's the solution? People have been killed or threatened with death for depicting Muhammad and/or Islam by radical Muslims. Since I'm not sure we can just kill every violent Muslim, the only practical solution I see is for depicting Muhammad in art to become so common it's fruitless to try killing people who do it.

What doesn't seem like the solution is giving into the demands of radical Muslims who make death threats.
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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #161 on: April 27, 2010, 08:37:41 PM »
In this case, the issue at hand is radical Muslims saying don't draw Muhammad, and you're responding by actually drawing Muhammad instead of talking about how lame it is not to.

No.  In this case, ALL Muslims are saying "Don't draw Muhammad," and the minority are really being dicks about it.  And you're responding by pissing off ALL of them, even though most of them didn't do anything.  So the ones who didn't do anything see their religion mocked, and the ones who are being dicks about it are laughing it up.

Real effective protest there.

I really doubt all Muslims are saying not to draw Muhammad.

Even if they are, what's the solution? People have been killed or threatened with death for depicting Muhammad and/or Islam by radical Muslims. Since I'm not sure we can just kill every violent Muslim, the only practical solution I see is for depicting Muhammad in art to become so common it's fruitless to try killing people who do it.

What doesn't seem like the solution is giving into the demands of radical Muslims who make death threats.

We're not giving into their demands, we're respecting the religion, and both parties happen to be pushing the same thing. If they were pushing for us to draw pictures of Muhammad at the expense of the other 99% of the Muslim populace than we'd still be arguing for people to not draw Muhammad.
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« Reply #162 on: April 27, 2010, 08:39:17 PM »
:lol no problem.  The only reason I found that post was because I was wondering the same thing.

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« Reply #163 on: April 27, 2010, 08:42:59 PM »
It just seems an ineffective form of protest.  What are you trying to accomplish?

 One of the reasons, like I said earlier, is to show that offending a religion isn't a big deal. One single incident shouldn't cause such a buzz. Muslim extremists need to stop having excuses for violence. No other major religion that I know of has members threatening assassinations because of blasphemous or offensive content. It's absurd that extremists would have any kind of rationale at all to single out a cartoonist and kill him.

 Another point is to show that applying Islamic law to non-Muslims is dumb and actually makes no sense. In a multi-religious world, you have to be able to tolerate this kind of joke (Everybody Draw Mohammed Day because yes, it is a joke lol). If I thought this was some kind of sick Islamophobic reaction towards Muslims trying to spread hatred I'd be disgusted but all I'm seeing is a joke that serves the purpose of diverting the risk of violence.

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« Reply #164 on: April 27, 2010, 08:48:49 PM »
Offending, for the sake of offending, is really stupid.

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« Reply #165 on: April 27, 2010, 08:53:10 PM »
Offending, for the sake of offending, is really stupid.

 Is there such a thing?

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« Reply #166 on: April 27, 2010, 09:15:10 PM »
In this case, the issue at hand is radical Muslims saying don't draw Muhammad, and you're responding by actually drawing Muhammad instead of talking about how lame it is not to.

No.  In this case, ALL Muslims are saying "Don't draw Muhammad," and the minority are really being dicks about it.  And you're responding by pissing off ALL of them, even though most of them didn't do anything.  So the ones who didn't do anything see their religion mocked, and the ones who are being dicks about it are laughing it up.

Real effective protest there.

I really doubt all Muslims are saying not to draw Muhammad.

Even if they are, what's the solution? People have been killed or threatened with death for depicting Muhammad and/or Islam by radical Muslims. Since I'm not sure we can just kill every violent Muslim, the only practical solution I see is for depicting Muhammad in art to become so common it's fruitless to try killing people who do it.

What doesn't seem like the solution is giving into the demands of radical Muslims who make death threats.

We're not giving into their demands, we're respecting the religion, and both parties happen to be pushing the same thing. If they were pushing for us to draw pictures of Muhammad at the expense of the other 99% of the Muslim populace than we'd still be arguing for people to not draw Muhammad.


like ive said, we arent respecting their religion. people are bowing down to violent threats. their religious scripture does indeed call for the death of infidels. so if we truly respected their religion, we wouldnt have done shit after 9/11.  im sorry, but your point is shit, youre simpl scared.

and shouldnt we then respect all religions? if so, how many of you condem south park for showing buddha sniffing coke? or jesus shitting on the american president? or Mary blasting the pope's face with vaginal blood? arent these all acts of dissrespect? shouldnt you be equally upset and outspoken against these? yes. but you arent. why? because muslims threaten violence. its ok if youre the type to bow down to this type of bullshit, but just dont try to hide it in a cloak of respect.

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« Reply #167 on: April 27, 2010, 09:36:10 PM »
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like ive said, we arent respecting their religion. people are bowing down to violent threats. their religious scripture does indeed call for the death of infidels. so if we truly respected their religion, we wouldnt have done shit after 9/11.  im sorry, but your point is shit, youre simpl scared.

and shouldnt we then respect all religions? if so, how many of you condem south park for showing buddha sniffing coke? or jesus shitting on the american president? or Mary blasting the pope's face with vaginal blood? arent these all acts of dissrespect? shouldnt you be equally upset and outspoken against these? yes. but you arent. why? because muslims threaten violence. its ok if youre the type to bow down to this type of bullshit, but just dont try to hide it in a cloak of respect.

Alright, I'm not going to argue a troll. This is just too silly.
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« Reply #168 on: April 27, 2010, 09:41:51 PM »
:lol no problem.  The only reason I found that post was because I was wondering the same thing.

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« Reply #169 on: April 27, 2010, 09:45:21 PM »
https://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/04/26/douthat/index.html

The New York Times' Muslim problem

By Glenn Greenwald


"South Park" depicted the prophet Muhammad in a bear costume earlier this month,
which drew a veiled threat from the website revolutionmuslim.com.


In a way, the muzzling of "South Park" is no more disquieting than any other example of Western institutions' cowering before the threat of Islamist violence. . . . But there's still a sense in which the "South Park" case is particularly illuminating. . . . t's a reminder that Islam is just about the only place where we draw any lines at all. . . .Our culture has few taboos that can’t be violated, and our establishment has largely given up on setting standards in the first place. Except where Islam is concerned.

The New York Times, March 28 2010
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A Texas university class production of "Corpus Christi," by Terrence McNally, below, has been canceled by college officials citing "safety and security concerns for the students" as well as the need to maintain an orderly academic environment, The Austin Chronicle reported. "Corpus Christi," Mr. McNally’s 1998 play depicting a gay Jesus figure, was scheduled to be performed on Saturday as part of a directing class at Tarleton State University in Stephenville, Tex. But early on Friday, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst condemned the performance, saying in a press release that "no one should have the right to use government funds or institutions to portray acts that are morally reprehensible to the vast majority of Americans." Although Tarleton's president, F. Dominic Dottavio, first defended the students' right to perform a play he considered "offensive, crude and irreverent," university officials changed course late Friday night, canceling the performance after receiving threatening calls and e-mail messages, according to The Star-Telegram.

Fort Worth Star-Telegram, April 8, 2010 (h/t Queerty):
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A Fort Worth theater that had agreed to show a student-directed play with a gay Jesus character has withdrawn its offer.  The board of directors of Artes de la Rosa, which runs The Rose Marine Theater on North Main Street, decided Thursday against offering the venue for the production of Corpus Christi, just one day after saying it would. A March performance set for a directing class at Tarleton State University in Stephenville was abruptly canceled after the school received threatening emails.

It looks like Ross Douthat picked the wrong month to try to pretend that threat-induced censorship is a uniquely Islamic practice.  Corpus Christi is the same play that was scheduled and then canceled (and then re-scheduled) by the Manhattan Theater Club back in 1998 as a result of "anonymous telephone threats to burn down the theater, kill the staff, and 'exterminate' McNally."  Both back then and now, leading the protests (though not the threats) was the Catholic League, denouncing the play as "blasphemous hate speech."

I abhor the threats of violence coming from fanatical Muslims over the expression of ideas they find offensive, as well as the cowardly institutions which acquiesce to the accompanying demands for censorship.  I've vigorously condemned efforts to haul anti-Muslim polemicists before Canadian and European "human rights" (i.e., censorship) tribunals.  But the very idea that such conduct is remotely unique to Muslims is delusional, the by-product of Douthat's ongoing use of his New York Times column for his anti-Muslim crusade and sectarian religious promotion.

The various forms of religious-based, intimidation-driven censorship and taboo ideas in the U.S. -- what Douthat claims are non-existent except when it involves Muslims -- are too numerous to chronicle.  One has to be deeply ignorant, deeply dishonest or consumed with petulant self-victimization and anti-Muslim bigotry to pretend they don't exist.  I opt (primarily) for the latter explanation in Douthat's case.

As Balloon-Juice's DougJ notes, everyone from Phil Donahue and Ashliegh Banfield to Bill Maher and Sinead O'Connor can tell you about that first-hand.  As can the cable television news reporters who were banned by their corporate executives from running stories that reflected negatively on Bush and the war.  When he was Mayor of New York, Rudy Giuliani was fixated on using the power of his office to censor art that offended his Catholic sensibilities.  The Bush administration banned mainstream Muslim scholars even from entering the U.S. to teach.  The Dixie Chicks were deluged with death threats for daring to criticize the Leader, forcing them to apologize out of fear for their lives.  Campaigns to deny tenure to academicians, or appointments to politicial officials, who deviate from Israel orthodoxy are common and effective.  Responding to religious outrage, a Congressional investigation was formally launched and huge fines issued all because Janet Jackson's breast was displayed for a couple of seconds on television.

All that's to say nothing of the endless examples of religious-motivated violence by Christian and Jewish extremists designed to intimidate and suppress ideas offensive to their religious dogma (I'm also pretty sure the people doing this and this are not Muslim).  And, contrary to Douthat's misleading suggestion, hate speech laws have been used for censorious purposes far beyond punishing speech offensive to Muslims -- including, for instance, by Christian groups invoking such laws to demand the banning of plays they dislike.

It's nice that The New York Times hired a columnist devoted to defending his Church and promoting his religious sectarian conflicts without any response from the target of his bitter tribalistic encyclicals.  Can one even conceive of having a Muslim NYT columnist who routinely disparages and rails against Christians and Jews this way?  To ask the question is to answer it, and by itself gives the lie to Douthat's typically right-wing need to portray his own majoritarian group as the profoundly oppressed victim at the hands of the small, marginalized, persecuted group which actually has no power (it's so unfair how Muslims always get their way in the U.S.).  But whatever else is true, there ought to be a minimum standard of factual accuracy required for these columns.  The notion that censorship is exercised only on behalf of Muslims falls far short of that standard.


UPDATE: A few points based on the discussion in the comment section:

(1) Several people are insisting that the problem of violence and threats by Muslims is far greater than, and thus not comparable to, those posed by Christians and Jews.  This is just the same form of triabalistic, my-side-is-always-better blindness afflicting Douthat.  Who could possibly look at the U.S. and conclude that brutal, inhumane, politically-motivated, designed-to-intimidate violence is a particular problem among Muslims, or that Muslims receive special, unfairly favorable treatment as a result of their intimidation?  Do you mean except for the tens of thousands of Muslims whom the U.S. has imprisoned without charges for years, and the hundreds of thousands our wars and invasions and bombings have killed this decade alone, and the ones from around the world subjected to racial and ethnic profiling, and the ones we've tortured and shot up at checkpoints and are targeting for state-sponsored assassination?

(2) There's no question that violence or threatened violence by Islamic radicals against authors, cartoonists and the like is a serious problem.  But (a) simply click on the links above -- or talk to workers in abortion clinics about the climate in which they work -- and try to justify how you can, with a straight face, claim it's not very pervasive among extremists and fanatics generally, and (b) avoid exaggerating the problem.  The group that threatened the South Park creators is a tiny, fringe group founded by a former right-wing Jewish-American settler in the West Bank who converted to Islam and spends most of his time harrassing American Muslims (the former "James Cohen"; h/t Archtype); they're about as representative of Muslims generally as Fred Phelps and these people are representative of Christians.  Moreover, numerous blogs displayed the Mohammed cartoons and plan to do so again; the notion that the Western World is cowering in abject fear from Muslim intimidation is absurdly overblown.

(3) Sarah Palin recently defended the Rev. Franklin Graham's statement that Islam is "a very evil and wicked religion."  That barely caused a ripple of controversy.  Imagine if a leading political figure had said anything remotely similar about Christianity or Judaism.  The claim that Muslims receive some sort of special protection or sensitivity is the opposite of reality.

(4) Ross Douthat previously cited with approval Jonah Goldberg's explicit advocacy of right-wing censorship (h/t sysprog).  When Douthat starts speaking out against censorship of ideas he hates, rather than when it comes from the religions he dislikes, he'll have credibility as what he pretends today to be:  a crusader for free expression.  Until then, it's clear that he's interested in little else other than wrapping himself in the banner of free expression as a means of advancing his sectarian conflicts.

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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #170 on: April 27, 2010, 09:51:31 PM »
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like ive said, we arent respecting their religion. people are bowing down to violent threats. their religious scripture does indeed call for the death of infidels. so if we truly respected their religion, we wouldnt have done shit after 9/11.  im sorry, but your point is shit, youre simpl scared.

and shouldnt we then respect all religions? if so, how many of you condem south park for showing buddha sniffing coke? or jesus shitting on the american president? or Mary blasting the pope's face with vaginal blood? arent these all acts of dissrespect? shouldnt you be equally upset and outspoken against these? yes. but you arent. why? because muslims threaten violence. its ok if youre the type to bow down to this type of bullshit, but just dont try to hide it in a cloak of respect.

Alright, I'm not going to argue a troll. This is just too silly.


great argument. absolutely fantastic points were made and you have single-handedly changed my mind. well done. i never thought the "i dont like what you said and instead of debating it, ill just insult you and run away," argument was this compelling.

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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #171 on: April 27, 2010, 09:53:25 PM »
Prog, being confrontational and saying the sum of your opponents arguments is the result of being scared makes people not want to respond to you. Just be a little more respectful in what you say and destroy the air of hostility you are currently propagating.

This is scary:
https://revolutionmuslim.com/ (the site that threatened comedy central and south park).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XslZM0xnUWM&feature=player_embedded#!

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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #172 on: April 27, 2010, 09:56:00 PM »
No other major religion that I know of has members threatening assassinations because of blasphemous or offensive content.

 My point still stands but yes, there is Islamophobia in the US, and much of it.

wtf is the internet?

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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #173 on: April 27, 2010, 10:01:34 PM »
Prog, being confrontational and saying the sum of your opponents arguments is the result of being scared makes people not want to respond to you. Just be a little more respectful in what you say and destroy the air of hostility you are currently propagating.


if i am creating an 'air of hostility,' its not meant. i just happen to say things a lot of people sweep under the rug. and not respecting other aspects of someones religion, but respecting one because its backed up with violence seems cowardly to me. if someone has a problem with that i would suggest they act mature enough to either offer a proper reason as to why they arent scared, or admit they are.

im not being confrontational. im calling inconsistent philosophies bullshit. i see nothing confrontational about that. its honest, harsh, but honest.

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Re: May 20th is Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!!!
« Reply #174 on: April 27, 2010, 10:07:56 PM »
I know it sounds cool to say "I'm so honest I'm harsh," but your posts don't really support that that's who you are.  They only show that you haven't really read (or understood) more than a few posts in the thread and don't really understand the arguments whatsoever.
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