Author Topic: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v Moonflower Society - Oct 21st (Read 210891 times)

wolfking · « **Reply #1365 on:** October 02, 2018, 05:31:06 AM »

I like the version of Mysteria with Mille. He's a much welcome addition IMO.

bosk1 · « **Reply #1366 on:** October 02, 2018, 10:23:49 AM »

Not-very-controversial opinion: Black Orchid and Savoir in the Clockwork are two of Avantasia's best songs, and if there were a 10 foot tall

emoticon, I would post it right now.

The Walrus · « **Reply #1367 on:** October 02, 2018, 10:27:57 AM »

Quote from: bosk1 on October 02, 2018, 10:23:49 AM

Not-very-controversial opinion: Black Orchid and Savoir in the Clockwork are two of Avantasia's best songs, and if there were a 10 foot tall emoticon, I would post it right now.

That... is super controversial imo. Ya'll new wave Avantasia fans trigger me so hard.

Shadow Ninja 2.0 · « **Reply #1368 on:** October 02, 2018, 10:30:46 AM »

I like Black Orchid a lot. Saviour in the Clockwork is definitely one of Avantasia's okayest songs.

Evermind · « **Reply #1369 on:** October 02, 2018, 10:34:12 AM »

Quote from: bosk1 on October 02, 2018, 10:23:49 AM

Not-very-controversial opinion: Black Orchid and Savoir in the Clockwork are two of Avantasia's best songs, and if there were a 10 foot tall emoticon, I would post it right now.

Fan since The Scarecrow, I think both Black Orchid and Savior are their Top 10 songs, and Savior is actually Top 3. Love Biff on Avantasia.

Also I think TMOT is awesome and easily their best album since Scarecrow.

The Walrus · « **Reply #1370 on:** October 02, 2018, 10:38:00 AM »

I must be taking crazy pills, or you all are. Savior's got arguably some of the worst lyrics in Avantasia's entire catalog! Half of them don't even say anything!

(Again, nothing wrong if anyone likes the song, I'm just baffled by the love for that album in particular with its dreadful lyrics being a huge sticking point)

Evermind · « **Reply #1371 on:** October 02, 2018, 11:02:30 AM »

They're crazily fun to sing in the shower because of how nonsensical they are though. I think I know all the lyrics from TMOT by heart.

I don't know, the album just works for me. Unlike Ghostlights, which I thought was very formulaic and safe. For some reason I think Moonglow will be more in the same vein and I hope to be proven wrong.

Shadow Ninja 2.0 · « **Reply #1372 on:** October 02, 2018, 11:13:17 AM »

That seems crazy, Mystery of Time feels like autopilot Avantasia to me. Whereas Ghostlights was really interesting and diverse. It helps that Ghostlights has (mostly) great singers where TMOT had a lot of fairly milquetoast vocalists, but I just think the compositions on Ghostlights were way more inspired. And I assume Tobi feels the same way, based on how he seemingly has no interest in the story of TMOT anymore.

bosk1 · « **Reply #1373 on:** October 02, 2018, 11:16:34 AM »

Interesting take. For me, TMOT sounds fresh and fun whereas Ghostlights feels uninspired and just "following the formula." Not trying to bash Ghostlights. But it has always just felt like a lesser work to me.

Polarbear · « **Reply #1374 on:** October 02, 2018, 12:39:20 PM »

I'm siding with Bosk and Evermind with this..

Ghostlights is good, but it feels like Tobi is going through the motions a little bit with that album. Still good songs there, but it feels like run of the mill Avantasia. Meanwhile TMOT felt like a breath of fresh air after The Wicked Symphony and Angel of Babylon, the latter of which felt very lackluster apart from the opening track "Stargazers".

425 · « **Reply #1375 on:** October 02, 2018, 01:57:36 PM »

I think bosk and Evermind are right that TMOT feels less formulaic, but I'm with Shadow in liking Ghostlights better because I believe the songwriting is, on the whole, stronger.

cramx3 · « **Reply #1376 on:** October 02, 2018, 01:59:41 PM »

Quote from: 425 on October 02, 2018, 01:57:36 PM

I think bosk and Evermind are right that TMOT feels less formulaic, but I'm with Shadow in liking Ghostlights better because I believe the songwriting is, on the whole, stronger.

Yea, I would say they just one upped TMOT with Ghostlights. Both feel very similar, but Ghostlights has the better group of songs overall but it's close.

wolfking · « **Reply #1377 on:** October 02, 2018, 04:57:27 PM »

Quote from: bosk1 on October 02, 2018, 10:23:49 AM

Not-very-controversial opinion: Black Orchid and Savoir in the Clockwork are two of Avantasia's best songs, and if there were a 10 foot tall emoticon, I would post it right now.

I never really understood the love for Black Orchid. Clockwork on the other hand is fabulous.

Logain Ablar · « **Reply #1378 on:** October 03, 2018, 02:34:16 AM »

Big fan of Black Orchid. Clockwork is pretty good but not great.

I try not to pay too much attention to Avantasia lyrics. They have a few odd ones for sure. "They put a spoke right in your wheel" is something that always sticks out to me.

jingle.boy · « **Reply #1379 on:** October 03, 2018, 07:02:38 AM »

IMO, TMOT is more consistent; Ghostlights' highs are higher, but the lows are also lower. That said, I give the edge to Ghostlights.

MirrorMask · « **Reply #1380 on:** October 11, 2018, 08:04:19 AM »

AAAAAND after Vain Glory Opera, Hansi Kursch teams up again with Tobi!!! he's gonna star on Moonglow!

cramx3 · « **Reply #1381 on:** October 11, 2018, 08:10:59 AM »

Quote from: MirrorMask on October 11, 2018, 08:04:19 AM

AAAAAND after Vain Glory Opera, Hansi Kursch teams up again with Tobi!!! he's gonna star on Moonglow!

Wow, now that is an awesome guest

bosk1 · « **Reply #1382 on:** October 11, 2018, 08:16:54 AM »

MirrorMask · « **Reply #1383 on:** October 11, 2018, 08:23:50 AM »

Blind Guardian's singer.

Don't know Blind Guardian? Listen to Imaginations from the Other side NOW

The Walrus · « **Reply #1384 on:** October 11, 2018, 08:47:32 AM »

Quote from: bosk1 on October 11, 2018, 08:16:54 AM

Who?

ZKX-2099 · « **Reply #1385 on:** October 11, 2018, 08:56:21 AM »

Quote from: bosk1 on October 11, 2018, 08:16:54 AM

Who?

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=Hansi+Kursch

Evermind · « **Reply #1386 on:** October 11, 2018, 09:15:53 AM »

That's great!

I wonder which guests would end up on one track only and which will be singing throughout the album. What I hope to hear on Moonglow is more interaction between the guests and fewer songs with "Tobi sings the first verse, guest singer sings the second verse, they both sing on the chorus" formula. Not sure this will happen except for the longer track (tracks?), but I'm pretty sure there will be enough stuff to like anyway.

cramx3 · « **Reply #1387 on:** October 11, 2018, 10:33:45 AM »

Quote from: Evermind on October 11, 2018, 09:15:53 AM

That's great!

I wonder which guests would end up on one track only and which will be singing throughout the album. What I hope to hear on Moonglow is more interaction between the guests and fewer songs with "Tobi sings the first verse, guest singer sings the second verse, they both sing on the chorus" formula. Not sure this will happen except for the longer track (tracks?), but I'm pretty sure there will be enough stuff to like anyway.

In the facebook post, Tobi said "songs" when referring to Hansi so we can assume more than one for him, but not sure about the others.

Samsara · « **Reply #1388 on:** October 11, 2018, 01:48:29 PM »

GREAT addition. Shaping up to be an incredible line-up. Hope the music and performances do the cast justice. I am sure it all will.

ErHaO · « **Reply #1389 on:** October 11, 2018, 03:48:45 PM »

Great to hear Hansi is on several songs (since Tobi applied the word "songs"). His vocals work incredibly well for the genre. Candice Night is such a beautiful voice too, but I agree with others in hoping it is not just on the mandatory ballad. For the male vocalists I feel Tobi usually manages to get a surprising/top notch performance, whereas a lot of the female vocals tend to be more of the expected. Anyways, looks like we are getting a cool lineup!

Quote from: Evermind on October 11, 2018, 09:15:53 AM

That's great!

I wonder which guests would end up on one track only and which will be singing throughout the album. What I hope to hear on Moonglow is more interaction between the guests and fewer songs with "Tobi sings the first verse, guest singer sings the second verse, they both sing on the chorus" formula. Not sure this will happen except for the longer track (tracks?), but I'm pretty sure there will be enough stuff to like anyway.

I agree. It is one of the major shakeups he could do to make the new album feel fresher.

wolfking · « **Reply #1390 on:** October 12, 2018, 05:42:46 AM »

Hansi is a most welcome guest.

cramx3 · « **Reply #1391 on:** October 12, 2018, 07:02:48 AM »

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TRACKLIST AND ALBUM COVER OF NEW ALBUM MOONGLOW REVEALED!

Here is the official press release of The record label:

The wait is finally over! Tobias Sammet is pleased to announce the release of the upcoming AVANTASIA masterpiece »Moonglow« on February 1, 2019 through Nuclear Blast. Comprising 11 tracks, the new opus once again features several guest vocalists. This time round, Tobias worked not only with well-known faces such as Ronnie Atkins, Jørn Lande, Eric Martin, Geoff Tate, Michael Kiske or Bob Catley but also with new singers like Candice Night, Hansi Kürsch as well as Mille Petrozza who help to vitalize the new AVANTASIA record. Its cover artwork was created by Alexander Jansson.

Comments Tobias Sammet, "It's alive! After more than two years of hard work - and what felt like 71 overnight shifts back to back recently - we're ready to unleash »Moonglow« upon the universe. I believe it's the most adorned and detailed album we've ever produced. Not over ambitious, but there is a lot of love for detail in there. AVANTASIA is the ultimate playground for a musician's wildest fantasies to come true: Celtic elements, world music elements, big choirs, atmopsheric stuff, amazing guest vocal performances and of course all that wrapped up in what I consider to be the typical AVANTASIA sound. Someone in the music business just told me that the embellished nature of the sound makes it hard to market it, it doesn't fit in the contemporary musical landscape and "if you take a look around, no one really sounds like that." - EXACTLY! THANK YOU! I can't wait to release »Moonglow«, take my friends of the AVANTASIA family and hit the road for the big »Moonglow World Tour«."

»Moonglow« - Track Listing:

01. Ghost In The Moon
02. Book Of Shallows
03. Moonglow
04. The Raven Child
05. Starlight
06. Invincible
07. Alchemy
08. The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn
09. Lavender
10. Requiem For A Dream
11. Maniac
Bonus Track
12. Heart

Polarbear · « **Reply #1392 on:** October 12, 2018, 07:07:34 AM »

Diggin' the artwork!

Hope the album is everything Tobi is drumming it up to be..

ErHaO · « **Reply #1393 on:** October 12, 2018, 09:17:06 AM »

Cool artwork indeed! My favourite cover artwork of Avantasia is Mystery of Time. But I like this one a lot too.

Too bad Avantasia seems to have no love for the Netherlands (not enough fans here?), would love to catch them on tour but I don't think I will travel to see them.

Quote from: Polarbear on October 12, 2018, 07:07:34 AM

Diggin' the artwork!

Hope the album is everything Tobi is drumming it up to be..

I don't follow him in interviews/social media, but isn't it normal for artists to hype up their newest work? Anyways, I absolutely love Ghoslights so anything of similar quality would be awesome.

Evermind · « **Reply #1394 on:** October 12, 2018, 09:26:21 AM »

Quote from: ErHaO on October 12, 2018, 09:17:06 AM

Cool artwork indeed! My favourite cover artwork of Avantasia is Mystery of Time. But I like this one a lot too.

Too bad Avantasia seems to have no love for the Netherlands (not enough fans here?), would love to catch them on tour but I don't think I will travel to see them.

I saw Tobi posting on FB there will be no Netherlands shows because one of the German shows (or was it Belgium?) is very close to Netherlands and his promoters don't think there's a profit to play Netherlands because of that. He recommended you guys to travel to that German show (I don't remember which one and I suck at geography).

The artwork is fantastic! I'm going for the artbook/boxset if they will have it on pre-orders.

bosk1 · « **Reply #1395 on:** October 12, 2018, 10:14:59 AM »

In my LIMITED experience with Avantasia/Tobi, he seems to ALWAYS plug his latest work as the best yet and nothing less than a gift to all humanity.

And that's fine. I find him to be a bit cocky in that regard, but not in a way that is offputting--more just being confident in his work and being a good salesman. And the thing I have found in listening to his work is that, even if it doesn't fit my tastes and I don't like it, it is almost all undeniably well-crafted. Based on his track record, I am confident this will be no exception.

MirrorMask · « **Reply #1396 on:** October 12, 2018, 12:42:09 PM »

He gives me the idea of having the enthusiasm of a kid, which may translate into giving the idea of the same old "My latest work is my best-est ever blah blah blah". He's truly passionate about his craft, he doesn't want us to believe he created a masterpiece - he's convinced in good faith of having done one.

Anyway, I love the album artwork and I'm giddy about this upcoming release

cramx3 · « **Reply #1397 on:** October 12, 2018, 12:50:22 PM »

While I follow him on facebook and agree he can be a bit cocky, he hasn't really ever pushed the limit in my eyes to the point where he is just annoying or too much. He seems to hit the sweet spot of being cocky without being an asshole. Also "I believe it's the most adorned and detailed album we've ever produced. Not over ambitious, but there is a lot of love for detail in there. " isn't really that bad of professing how good the new album is. Many bands are much worse than that statement.

but the reality, I think he's earned it. His track record with Avantasia has been fantastic and he's got a lot of reasons to be happy with his work. I have faith that it will be a pretty awesome album. Maybe not their best, but I really doubt it will be a clunker.

MirrorMask · « **Reply #1398 on:** October 12, 2018, 01:05:55 PM »

Now, time to play who's who - who do you think will get which song(s)?

Candice Night might get Lavender.
I hope Hansi is the piper at the gates of dawn is calling you its way (sorry, got carried away).
Maybe the success of Lucifer inspired Tobi to give another somber ballad to Jorn Lande - Requiem for a Dream maybe?
Mille Petrozza could be either the Raven Child or Invincible.
Ghost in the Moon if Tobi follows tradition is a song with either just him, or limited partecipation from others, which he can sing solo as a concert opener.
Another habit of Tobi is having the bigass epic as track #2, so maybe Book of Shallows gets a lot of singers.

TAC · « **Reply #1399 on:** October 12, 2018, 03:58:12 PM »

The cover looks great. It's a Release Day purchase.

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