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Re: The James Bond Thread
« Reply #455 on: November 04, 2015, 03:14:00 PM »
Dalton is the most like the Bond from the books (or at least the two Fleming novels that I have read).

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« Reply #456 on: November 06, 2015, 11:45:21 PM »
Wow....watching QoS for the first time.

Has anyone noticed this??



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« Reply #457 on: November 07, 2015, 05:20:17 AM »
They don't look that similar to me.
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« Reply #458 on: November 07, 2015, 12:01:34 PM »
Just watched Casino Royale and I really liked it. Craigs bond reminds me of Timothy dalton.
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Re: The James Bond Thread
« Reply #459 on: November 07, 2015, 03:05:03 PM »
I like quantum of solace, but I really think the villain is weak. Like as in literally weak. 

Like watching this final scene.




I was shocked that Bond didn't beat the living shit out of him in like two seconds. Going up against someone like 006 or the SPECTRE agent in From Russia with love, I can understand, but not this little dude.

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« Reply #460 on: November 07, 2015, 03:56:31 PM »
Finally saw Spectre and I absolutely loved it. I seriously don't know why some critics are ripping it to shreds, it's an excellent Bond movie. So many parts reminded me of classic Bond. Definitely seeing it again a couple more times lol

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« Reply #461 on: November 08, 2015, 03:31:56 AM »
It definetely doesn't deserve being "ripped to shreds", because I agree that it was a good movie, but it did have some issues.

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« Reply #462 on: November 08, 2015, 03:48:14 AM »
Anyone who is ripping this to shreds is just doing it for the sake of it. I think it had less contrivances than the last film.

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« Reply #463 on: November 08, 2015, 04:11:03 AM »
I've never seen a James Bond movie, nor the classic ones, neither the recent ones. Any suggestions on where to start? it doesn't even have to be a Sean Connery one, would I ruin my idea of these movies if I start with the Daniel Craig ones?
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Re: The James Bond Thread
« Reply #464 on: November 08, 2015, 04:22:17 AM »
No since the Daniel Craig ones are starting over so to speak. Not doing exact stories as Connery but dropping in same characters here and there.

The only weird thing is having Judi Dench as M for both Pierce Brosnan and the "rebooted" series.

I would suggest working backwards. See all of Craig's then Brosnans then Dalton's pair :zydar: then Moore and finally Lazenby and Connery.

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« Reply #465 on: November 08, 2015, 04:39:20 AM »
Anyone who is ripping this to shreds is just doing it for the sake of it. I think it had less contrivances than the last film.

I think I'd agree, but that's not really where Spectre's issues are. Thematically and emotionally, Skyfall is a much more complete and focused film. Compared to that, Spectre can feel a bit jumbled, drawn out, and rushed at the same time.

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Re: The James Bond Thread
« Reply #466 on: November 08, 2015, 04:41:13 AM »
I've never seen a James Bond movie, nor the classic ones, neither the recent ones. Any suggestions on where to start? it doesn't even have to be a Sean Connery one, would I ruin my idea of these movies if I start with the Daniel Craig ones?

You can start basically anywhere with Bond, since there's not much in terms of continuity (except for the Craig ones to some degree). Starting with Casino Royale wouldn't give the entire picture as far as the tone of previous Bond movies (which is fine), but it would nonetheless still be a perfectly good place to start, and is a great movie that is fairly universally liked.
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« Reply #467 on: November 08, 2015, 04:46:50 AM »
I'd say Casino Royale is a good starting point if you want to get up to date fairly quickly, but you can really start anywhere. As someone who grew up with Bond, those older movies have a charm to them, but they are definitely a reflection of the time they were made in. I think some people who haven't grown up with Bond, might have a hard time liking some of the older ones. They're kinda cheesy. But the different actors who have portrayed Bond have all brought different qualities, so you could try and sample a bit, watch a movie with each one and see who you like the most, and want to see more from.

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Re: The James Bond Thread
« Reply #468 on: November 08, 2015, 07:51:25 AM »
Connery : You Only Live Twice

Moore : View To A Kill / Live & Let Die

Dalton : Licence To Kill ( pretty close tonally to the Craig movies )

Lazenby : OHMSS :p ( his only role )

Brosnan : Goldeneye ( same director as Casino Royale and one of the top 3 bond movies ever )

Craig : Casino Royale. ( You kind of have to watch all of his in order as there is a kind of arc to them. )

 

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« Reply #469 on: November 08, 2015, 07:52:50 AM »
I'd go with-

Connery : Goldfinger

Moore : The Spy Who Loved Me

Dalton : Licence To Kill

Brosnan : Goldeneye

Craig : Casino Royale
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« Reply #470 on: November 08, 2015, 08:08:09 AM »
When I think of You Only Live Twice - I think of Little Nellie and *that* score. :)


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« Reply #471 on: November 08, 2015, 08:21:50 AM »
Ok, thanks for the suggestions!  :tup
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« Reply #472 on: November 08, 2015, 10:44:50 AM »
I've never seen a James Bond movie, nor the classic ones, neither the recent ones. Any suggestions on where to start? it doesn't even have to be a Sean Connery one, would I ruin my idea of these movies if I start with the Daniel Craig ones?

Watch the entire series in order  ;D

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« Reply #473 on: November 08, 2015, 02:32:45 PM »
I've never seen a James Bond movie, nor the classic ones, neither the recent ones. Any suggestions on where to start? it doesn't even have to be a Sean Connery one, would I ruin my idea of these movies if I start with the Daniel Craig ones?

I would recommend starting with Goldeneye. Not super old, not super new. A nice balance and my favorite

 From there I would say either go down 1 of 2 roads:


A) to Casino royale and forward in time

Or

B) Go back to Dr. No and go forward from there


either way, the James Bond series is badass and needs to be experienced.

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Re: The James Bond Thread
« Reply #474 on: November 08, 2015, 02:34:14 PM »
The only one i've never seen is OHMSS. Mainly because it was the thing when I was growing up that it was terrible and Lazenby was a rubbish Bond.

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« Reply #475 on: November 08, 2015, 02:56:12 PM »
Wrong on both counts (not you, public perception).

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« Reply #476 on: November 08, 2015, 03:16:55 PM »
I think OHMSS is probably the biggest gem in the Bond-catalogue and used to be overlooked and made fun of, but I think the more time has passed, the more people have started to appreciate it. When I was young, my parents always made fun of OHMSS, my dad loving the Moore-bond and my mom loving the Connery-bond, and they both joked about Lazenby being "too bad to make another one". I bought into that as a kid, because knowing the others had made several films, it came off as a failure that this guy only made ONE, and then was replaced. As I got older I learned more about the story behind it, why he didn't return, and it was one of the last Bond-films I saw out of the pre-Craig ones, and it's actually really good.

As much as I appreciate all eras of Bond, OHMSS would be in my top5 Bond films. I think there are some rose tinted glasses involved and I don't think my example with my parents is unusual, I think a lot of people dismiss Lazenby and OHMSS simply because it's the one-off film.

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« Reply #477 on: November 08, 2015, 03:49:33 PM »
OHMSS gets a lot of shit, but I think its fairly interesting and definitely worth watching.

 By the time I watched YOLT, I was feeling pretty tired of the series. OHMSS is so wildly different, and I like that.

The one thing that really screwed me up was watching it as a kid I got confused thinking that Bond was a code name since on the beach he strait up goes "this never happened to the other fella". I was like what the hell? Is this James Bond or just a new guy that took the code name, but I was really young.

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« Reply #478 on: November 09, 2015, 08:56:12 AM »
Considering that OHMSS was Lazenbys first acting job he wasnt really that bad. He did nail that ending scene though. If he had done more than one film I think he would've grown into the role quite nicely.
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Re: The James Bond Thread
« Reply #479 on: November 09, 2015, 09:07:32 AM »
SPOILERS FOR SPECTRE FOLLOWS



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Saw the movie yesterday, and while I'd say that it is definetely a good movie, it was a bit of a disappointment. It also made some weird choices at times.

Let's talk the villain first, which is the main problem with the movie. Waltz does an excellent job with the role he's given, but the role itself isn't as impactful as it feels like they wanted it to. Silva was way more threatening and intense. Le Chiffre was also a much better villain overall. They tried to tie it all together and make Blofeld a bigger presence as a villain by having him be behind the events of all the previous movies. And while I think stuff like that is cool, the execution of that idea was a bit underwhelming. I didn't really get the connection between the various villains over the years. Le Chiffre and Mr White I can sort of get, but it's still pretty flimsy. And was Quantum a sub-organisation of Spectre? I guess, but why? What's the difference between those two groups? The movie never really attempts to explain. And Blofeld was connected to Silva? Same as the other movies, there is no hint at a higher power in Skyfall, so it just seems like an afterthought.

Blofeld also says at some point that he was responsible for the women in his life dying, specifically Vesper and M. Vesper died from drowning in a sinking building. Did Blofeld plan that? I don't see how he could. Also, it was Silva's plan to kill M, which might have benefitted Spectre. But Blofeld makes it sound like M dying was a punishment because Bond interfered with his work. But Silva's plan to kill M had already started before Bond had interfered. And it was super personal for Silva, he would probably have done that anyways, Bond interfering or not.

Also, he causes no damage for Bond himself in the movie. Nothing of real consequence happens here. The drilling into the skull torture scene was certainly intense, but it resulted in nothing. There was the idea that Bond might lose the ability to recognize faces, which would have been huge, but that didn't happen... for some reason... despite Blofeld actually doing the thing that was supposed to make that happen.

So all of those attempts to give more weight to Blofeld failed a bit for me, and he disappointingly ended up a not really memorable Bond villain because he never really did anything. Which is really a damn shame.

Also, some scenes were a but dragged out. One being through the stylistic choices made during the Spectre grand meeting scene. Long passages where no one says anything, there's no music, nothing really happens. I get what they were going for, I absolutely do, but I think they took it a bit too far and the scene ended up being a bit dull. It ended in a very cool way though, with Blofeld announcing that he knew Bond was there watching. And when he turned his head and looked straight at him was really cool.

Unfortunately, what followed was a way too dragged out car chase. A car chase in a movie shouldn't feel slow, but something about it was just off.

The stand-out part of the movie though was the part at Blofeld's desert headquarter. The meteorite chamber, the Blofeld speeches, the torture scene, and then the escape, all really exciting stuff.

It is also clear that they wanted to have a "final movie" feel here. But again, nothing of real impact happened to reach that goal. Skyfall felt much more like a "the last movie".

This was me really focusing on the issues though. There is still a lot to enjoy about this movie though, and like I said in the beginning, I overall think this was a really good movie. And from a visual and productional stand point, it's brilliantly made. I'd rank it above Quantum of Solace (which I like more than most), but below both Casino Royal and Skyfall.

This is pretty close to how I felt.

*SPOILER*

The other thing that stood out to me was, there was zero chemistry between Craig and Seydoux. In fact, when she whispers that she loves him it seemed to come completely out of left field.

I had a decent time watching the movie, but I came away with no real anticipation of ever seeing it again. That may change.
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Re: The James Bond Thread
« Reply #480 on: November 09, 2015, 09:25:38 AM »
I thought the evolution of their relationship was more bizarre than the chemistry. Some mild spoilers ahead for those who haven't seen it and are touchy about spoilers (It's nothing too specific plot-wise, if you read it you would probably already have expected something like it to happen)

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So.. First she tells Bond to not touch her, or she will kill him. Slightly joking, but she keeps distance and their chemistry falls more under him helping her, rather than them having chemistry. They talk a little, but she still feels fairly distant. Bond gets into a fight scene, the scene ends.. she says "So what do we do now?" and cut to them making love. It came out of left field so bad that I burst out laughing. It was just so random, and in a way very typical to the cliched Bond image.

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« Reply #481 on: November 09, 2015, 10:56:50 AM »
I thought the evolution of their relationship was more bizarre than the chemistry.

So.. First she tells Bond to not touch her, or she will kill him. Slightly joking, but she keeps distance and their chemistry falls more under him helping her, rather than them having chemistry. They talk a little, but she still feels fairly distant. Bond gets into a fight scene, the scene ends.. she says "So what do we do now?" and cut to them making love. It came out of left field so bad that I burst out laughing. It was just so random, and in a way very typical to the cliched Bond image.

The other thing that stood out to me was, there was zero chemistry between Craig and Seydoux. In fact, when she whispers that she loves him it seemed to come completely out of left field.

Yeah, it was clear that they wanted to make her the new Vesper, only it didn't come off half as believable. I would agree with Zantera though, it was more the relationship arc that was the problem though, rather than the chemistry. Up until the random train sex, I was quite enjoying what they had going on.

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« Reply #482 on: November 10, 2015, 11:48:26 PM »
Just saw Spectre today, and I absolutely loved it. In some ways, it's a better film than Skyfall, but it's no Casino Royale. I loved the classic Bond feel to the movie, from the helicopter fight to the train fight. I nearly lost it at the end of the film when Blofeld looks at Bond and Swann, nearly foreshadowing the events that happens in On Her Majesty's Secret Service. While I think they shouldn't remake OHMSS, it would be interesting if the plot point of killing Bond's wife, presumably Swann in this case, could be a driving factor for the next movie.

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« Reply #483 on: November 12, 2015, 06:53:13 AM »
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Spectre opened today here, so I finally saw it. I agree with basically all of BlackInk's points, but I still thought it was a great movie. Tying together the previous movies was a nice idea, but I didn't feel it did anything in the execution to make it work if you actually watched the previous movies back.
The main villain became prominent only very late in the piece, so I didn't feel much about that. I also wish Batista lasted a bit longer (and wishful thinking, they could potentially bring him back since he could have easily lived).

It didn't feel like as long a movie as it was, and the pacing was good. I think I enjoyed it a bit more than Skyfall, obviously more than QoS. It's been too long since I've seen Casino Royale, so I can't fairly compare them, but this was another good addition to Craig's era.

If this is Craig's last movie, I thought it was a nice ending. I really hope he doesn't do any more, because it was written as an ending, and I don't want anything resembling OHMSS for the next one.
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« Reply #484 on: November 12, 2015, 09:32:02 AM »
If DC does another one - people are just gonna go into it expecting THAT twist... That is - if Lea Seydoux is even in it.

There's plenty of Bond movies where the Antagonist is revealed very late in the game only to die a short time after. I don't see the big deal.

He was more of a presence in Spectre. Not the End Of Game Boss © of the movie.

Plus he's not even dead - he can easily come back and cause more aggro.

Although I did wonder why they didn't explain why the drill in Bond's brain didn't do what Blofeld said it would. He probably just "did it wrong".

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« Reply #485 on: November 12, 2015, 09:41:30 AM »
Although I did wonder why they didn't explain why the drill in Bond's brain didn't do what Blofeld said it would. He probably just "did it wrong".

That really should have been explained, because I have no idea what was intended with that. There's no indication the guy did it wrong, or that there was a reasonable chance it might not work. It was just like "I recognize you", "ok".
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« Reply #486 on: November 12, 2015, 09:55:31 AM »
I dislike torture scenes in general but that one wasn't as hard to watch as the one in Casino Royale.


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« Reply #487 on: November 12, 2015, 09:57:16 AM »
Which is funny, because I had no problem at all with the one in Casino Royale, but this one made me really squeamish and tense to watch. But I have a thing about seeing people get any kind of needle in TV/film, so a drill to the side of the head and neck, nuh uh. :lol
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« Reply #488 on: November 12, 2015, 10:02:48 AM »
I was just on the forum on SPECTRE on Imdb looking for other people's opinion.

Every other topic is OMFG WORST BOND MOVIE OF ALL TIME.

It's like. That's clearly not true. Stop being an obvious troll and go play in the street.

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« Reply #489 on: November 12, 2015, 10:07:04 AM »
It's not even the worst Bond movie of this millennium. :lol
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