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« Reply #665 on: March 15, 2018, 06:17:38 PM »
I like him since he made 28 days later, trainspotting and sunshine, but I'm gonna be cautiously optimistic.

Sam Mendes did American beauty (which is one of my favorite movies ever) and I really didn't like spectre and wasn't huge on Skyfall. So we'll see.
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« Reply #666 on: June 02, 2018, 01:02:50 PM »
Watching Goldeneye on AMC. Itís funny how bad this movie has aged in comparison to the other Brosnan movies. Tomorrow Never Dies looks like it could have been made around the same time as Casino Royale.

Goldeneye is still a good movie, even if it now looks like it was made in the 70ís

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« Reply #667 on: June 02, 2018, 01:10:28 PM »
Agreed with all except I would change the 70s to the 90s. I love Sean Bean. Have since Patriot Games.

The first Bond film with a new actor presents a challenge. You have to make it special and unique, and highlight the new Bond and new era, but you need to remain true to the Bond franchise. 
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« Reply #668 on: June 02, 2018, 01:13:49 PM »
I say it looks like it was made in the 70ís because there are some bad editing choices that makes it feel dated  :lol

Iím also curious who the DP was...because Campbell went on to direct Mask of Zorro not too long afterwards, and itís still a good looking movie.

Speaking of Zorro...Catherine Zeta Jones...how in the hell was she never a bond girl??  :heart

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« Reply #669 on: June 02, 2018, 01:55:52 PM »
In the news, Danny Boyle (28 Days Later, 127 Hours, Slumdog Millionaire) was confirmed to be the director for Bond 25, based on an original screenplay by his longtime collaborator John Hodge. Thereís also rumors of the main villain being a female.

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« Reply #670 on: June 02, 2018, 06:19:25 PM »
I heard the next Bond is slated for late 2019, I hope that's still possible. I adore the Daniel Craig era of Bond and think it's the best (even with Quantum of Solace). Might have to do a marathon of his movies leading up to this new one.

GoldenEye was one of my favorites for a long time but yeah, I recently saw it again and it's really not aging gracefully. I still really like it, but it looks absolutely ancient compared with what came after the Brosnan era.
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« Reply #671 on: June 02, 2018, 06:54:08 PM »
Goldeneye is my favorite bond film and one of my top favorite films every period.

I love it today as much as I loved it in 95. Sean Bean makes an awesome villain, Pierce is cool and sleek and the soundtrack is awesome. Its a movie I can watch countless times.
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« Reply #672 on: June 02, 2018, 07:40:25 PM »
Goldeneye is my first Bond movie, and i still like it. The whole spy vs spy element really works, and Sean Bean is awesome, as always. Iím pretty sure Famke Janssen escalated my puberty back then :lol

Watched all the Brosnan movies and now on to Die Another Day. Pierce is bittersweet for me. It's like EON found the perfect actor to bridge the gap between Connery's suaveness and Moore's humor.  But they couldn't figure out how to make that work on paper, which is why all his scripts after Goldeneye suck ass.

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« Reply #673 on: June 03, 2018, 06:58:01 AM »
Saw Spectre a few days ago. Visually and technically its one of the best movies I've seen, but unfortunately the plot (or perhaps rather the execution of the plot) is actually pretty thin, which was quite the disappointment.
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« Reply #674 on: June 03, 2018, 07:01:54 AM »
I had high hopes for SPECTRE, but was crazy bored. And I don't know what the hell happened with Waltz, but he was boring and lackluster. Which is a shame, since I typically love his work.



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« Reply #675 on: June 03, 2018, 10:20:30 AM »
Yeah that part of Spectre still bugs the hell out of me. Otherwise I actually enjoyed it a lot, but it definitely wasn't better than Skyfall, which has been my favorite Bond film since I saw it in theaters. What an awesome movie.
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« Reply #676 on: June 16, 2018, 04:29:28 AM »
So, I decided it was no longer acceptable that I belonged to the list of people that never ever saw a James Bond movie, and I joined the fray.

Fearing that I should have seen those movies 30 years ago, I skipped the Connery movies, and started with the current Bond, and so I watched Casino Royale.

It was good, I guess. I was not completely floored, but  I didn't regret watching either. The plot was kinda of a mess and the pacing at the end was weird, but all in all it was enjoyable. I've read comments that this was more grounded and that Bond did away with fancy and cartoonish gadgets from past movies, making the movie more realistic.... it probably is, but I'd hardly call realistic a movie where you see fights all over an african construction site and embassy, an airport where a bus with a bomb is heading towards a plane AND a sinking palace in Venice  :lol

Daniel Craig works as Bond, sure I never saw the other ones so I can't really compare. Are the following movies more or less like this? as I said I kinda enjoyed this and I didn't regret watching it, but should Casino Royal be the best of the Craig movies, I'll probably make a low priority to watch the other ones.
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« Reply #677 on: June 16, 2018, 06:22:47 AM »
If Casino Royale didn't get you excited to see more Bond stories, it probably isn't for you.

I think Bond films might be a generational thing. You almost need the backdrop of the cold war in your real life to provide tension for the escapism that is Bond.

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« Reply #678 on: June 16, 2018, 06:49:07 AM »
Well, I did like it and I wouldn't mind going on, especially since I have no movies left to see on my list. It's just that I don't have that "OMG what have I missed my whole life" feeling, that's all.
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« Reply #679 on: June 16, 2018, 09:33:55 AM »
So, I decided it was no longer acceptable that I belonged to the list of people that never ever saw a James Bond movie, and I joined the fray.

Fearing that I should have seen those movies 30 years ago, I skipped the Connery movies, and started with the current Bond, and so I watched Casino Royale.

It was good, I guess. I was not completely floored, but  I didn't regret watching either. The plot was kinda of a mess and the pacing at the end was weird, but all in all it was enjoyable. I've read comments that this was more grounded and that Bond did away with fancy and cartoonish gadgets from past movies, making the movie more realistic.... it probably is, but I'd hardly call realistic a movie where you see fights all over an african construction site and embassy, an airport where a bus with a bomb is heading towards a plane AND a sinking palace in Venice  :lol

Daniel Craig works as Bond, sure I never saw the other ones so I can't really compare. Are the following movies more or less like this? as I said I kinda enjoyed this and I didn't regret watching it, but should Casino Royal be the best of the Craig movies, I'll probably make a low priority to watch the other ones.

I would say that Casino royale is probably the most grounded in reality. The others range from absolute wacky madness (Die another day, moonraker) to more straitforward (The living daylights, goldeneye). and then its all over the place in the middle.

I would recommend goldeneye and then see what you think and go from there. Each bond movie kind of does its own thing, so if you don't like one, then there's plenty of others to check out.
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« Reply #680 on: June 16, 2018, 09:39:37 AM »
Casino Royale is great, but in my opinion Skyfall is better. Quantum of Solace unfortunately is the weakest of the Craig films and will probably not do much for you, but I highly recommend Skyfall and even Spectre.

IMO Craig has proven himself to be the best Bond, he is definitely my favorite.
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« Reply #681 on: June 16, 2018, 09:52:01 AM »
Casino Royale is great, but in my opinion Skyfall is better. Quantum of Solace unfortunately is the weakest of the Craig films and will probably not do much for you, but I highly recommend Skyfall and even Spectre.

Do I miss anything continuity wise if I skip Quantum of Solace? I assume not, I don't think there's too much continuity aside from who plays James Bond...
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« Reply #682 on: June 16, 2018, 09:55:05 AM »
Casino Royale is great, but in my opinion Skyfall is better. Quantum of Solace unfortunately is the weakest of the Craig films and will probably not do much for you, but I highly recommend Skyfall and even Spectre.

Do I miss anything continuity wise if I skip Quantum of Solace? I assume not, I don't think there's too much continuity aside from who plays James Bond...

There might be some passing mention of the girl from QoS, but it's not necessary to watch it beforehand.
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« Reply #683 on: June 16, 2018, 10:14:04 AM »
Casino Royale is great, but in my opinion Skyfall is better. Quantum of Solace unfortunately is the weakest of the Craig films and will probably not do much for you, but I highly recommend Skyfall and even Spectre.

Do I miss anything continuity wise if I skip Quantum of Solace? I assume not, I don't think there's too much continuity aside from who plays James Bond...

I'm the opposite. I really liked Quantum, but really didn't like SPECTRE.

Skyfall was pretty good though. As far as continuity is concerned, nothing really matters honestly. They were trying to have one long overarching storyline from Royale up through SPECTRE, but its more of a vague mess more than anything. So I would say, watch whichever one you want.
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« Reply #684 on: June 16, 2018, 10:38:55 AM »
Casino Royale is great, but in my opinion Skyfall is better. Quantum of Solace unfortunately is the weakest of the Craig films and will probably not do much for you, but I highly recommend Skyfall and even Spectre.

Do I miss anything continuity wise if I skip Quantum of Solace? I assume not, I don't think there's too much continuity aside from who plays James Bond...

Craig's films are the only ones that have an ongoing story throughout them. Connery's are loosely connected by SPECTRE but Craig's have a tighter thing going on.

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« Reply #685 on: June 16, 2018, 10:51:24 AM »
Casino Royale is great, but in my opinion Skyfall is better. Quantum of Solace unfortunately is the weakest of the Craig films and will probably not do much for you, but I highly recommend Skyfall and even Spectre.

Do I miss anything continuity wise if I skip Quantum of Solace? I assume not, I don't think there's too much continuity aside from who plays James Bond...

I'm the opposite. I really liked Quantum, but really didn't like SPECTRE.

Skyfall was pretty good though. As far as continuity is concerned, nothing really matters honestly. They were trying to have one long overarching storyline from Royale up through SPECTRE, but its more of a vague mess more than anything. So I would say, watch whichever one you want.

I agree 100% with this. There is a connection, but honestly... it doesn't matter much. 'Mess' is definitely the correct way to describe it.

Quantum is a weird one for me. I watched it twice in theaters, and initially really liked it, but when I bought it later and watched it at home I really didn't enjoy it apart from the action scenes. I don't think it's bad like some do, but it's definitely my least favorite of the newer ones. It and Spectre seem to be the less well received of the bunch for sure.
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« Reply #686 on: June 16, 2018, 11:40:52 AM »
The completist in me makes me wanna go on. I'll watch Quantum of Solace already accepting it might suck, if it won't, all for the better  :biggrin:
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« Reply #687 on: June 16, 2018, 11:45:54 AM »
The completist in me makes me wanna go on. I'll watch Quantum of Solace already accepting it might suck, if it won't, all for the better  :biggrin:

I've been a die hard Bond fan my whole life, and Quantum is near the bottom, if not at the bottom for me. Such a mess of a movie. I think the editor was suffering seizures throughout the whole thing  :lol

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« Reply #688 on: June 17, 2018, 01:52:52 AM »
My issue with Quantum isnít that itís necessarily ĒbadĒ, thereís nothing in there that offends me. I just think that itís a bit unambitious, not very memorable. Iíd say Spectre makes more choices that straight up misfired, but itís so much more ambitious (both from a storytelling and technical perspective) that it makes up for it a bit.
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« Reply #689 on: June 17, 2018, 03:06:19 AM »
Well, I've seen it, it wasn't half as bad as I expected, also the shorter running time helped.

What it is with Bond directors and wanton destruction all across Italy, however?  :lol first a fight in a sinking venetian palace, and then a chase across the roofs of Siena and breaking into old houses and churches. It feels like there has to be some mandatory chase / fight scenes and they write the plot around those stop points, dehe.

Still, it wasn't wasted time watching it. If the next two are better I can only be optimistic about going on!
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« Reply #690 on: June 17, 2018, 04:16:19 AM »
While I usually have a difficult time choising a favorite between Casino Royale and Skyfall, I must say that the latter is stylistically far superior to the point of it being a valid argument in its favor.
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« Reply #691 on: June 17, 2018, 09:43:40 AM »
I love Bardem in Skyfall. That's really my favorite part. Beside that, I am not too huge on Skyfall, but stylistically It is certainly beautiful to look at. In contrast, Spectre is also nice to look at but Waltz's performance put me to sleep faster than Ambien. (and that's coming from someone who loves Waltz). Quantum is a dumb, fun, fast frenzy of a movie and I enjoy it as a guilty pleasure. And royale is pretty much solid all around for me.

Now besides Craig, if I were to recommend bond movies to myself I would recommend:

Goldeneye (My favorite)
Tomorrow never dies (dumb and highly entertaining)

The living daylights (I just like Dalton)

A view to a kill (not a great movie, but Walken is awesome)
Moonraker (Incredibly dumb and over the top, but a huge guilty pleasure. Jaws is hilarious in this one)
The spy who loved me (Basically Moonraker, if it took itself more seriously)

From Russia with love (solid all around)

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« Reply #692 on: June 17, 2018, 10:05:17 AM »
Skyfall is the polar opposite of Quantum in terms of cinematography/feel. Beautiful film

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« Reply #693 on: June 17, 2018, 01:16:11 PM »
Although that opening car chase in Quantum was beautiful. Wondered if all the budget for the camera depertment went to that shot. DP was probably like ďIím gonna shoot the shit out of that scene then take a nap for the rest of production.Ē

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« Reply #694 on: June 17, 2018, 07:25:14 PM »
I don't think Bond movies are about the story or plot at all. It's about BOND.  The guy that can do anything - he can fly a plane, then jump out of the plane on skis and ski down the mountain in an avalance while shooting bad guys, then gets the girl when he's done.  When you stop worrying about the plot and just enjoy it for what it is, the movies are great.  I've binged about 15-20 of the movies in the last year, so they all blend together for me.  But the Daniel Craig ones are probably my favorites, followed by Brosnan, then Roger Moore. 

So just sit back and enjoy watching insanely awesome and ridiculous action sequences.   :metal

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« Reply #695 on: June 17, 2018, 08:02:09 PM »

  When you stop worrying about the plot and just enjoy it for what it is, the movies are great. 

So just sit back and enjoy watching insanely awesome and ridiculous action sequences.   :metal

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« Reply #696 on: June 18, 2018, 06:35:41 PM »
That's not true and a lame stance to take. Sorry guys, not to rant here. All the good Bond films have a plot, and usually a well-written and constructed one. I don't want to watch a movie and "worry" about the plot. I want to enjoy the plot. I want it to enhance the experience. I want it to be part of the entertainment. If the plot is problematic, the movie is not going to entertain me. Not every movie needs to be cerebral, but it doesn't need to be a vapid Michael Bay explosionfest either.
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« Reply #697 on: July 04, 2018, 04:07:24 PM »
Watched Skyfall. Damn, it kicked ass!

It still had the same beats of the previous one - opening with a chase / fight scene, pause for plot, moar chases and fight scenes, Bond bangs a girl that dies (seriously, don't sleep with Bond, girls), more plot, more action and the climax. But this time for whatever reason - the plot itself maybe, or just the cinematography as fadetoblackdude mention - it just worked. Brilliant movie through and through and so far the best of the Craig ones.

Oh, and I guess Javier Bardem thought that one creepy villain with an absolutely hideous haircut wasn't enough in his carrer.

(Also having Voldemort there makes difficult to trust him, until he was shot I thought that he could have been a bad guy)
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« Reply #698 on: July 16, 2018, 04:29:52 AM »
Aaaand I watched also Spectre, finally catching up with the Craig movies.

This one was as good as Skyfall, if not better! it's like they are a band that has the same style, and some album comes out better than the others.... Skyfall nd Spectre are for me way above CasinÚ Royale and Quantum of Solace, especially the initial sequence of Spectre with the long continuous shot from the Dias de Los Muertos celebrations to the rooftoop where Bond stalks the villains is awesome.

Also the general story of the movie is captivating, and am I the only one at the meeting with M and C who thought "Damn, James Bond is in the same room with Lord Voldemort and Moriarty?"  ;D

Anyway, if they can keep up with the quality of Skyfall and Spectre (wonderful title song also, Writing on the Wall), I look very forward to the next Bond movie!

EDIT: I've noticed that both these movies (Skyfall and Spectre) were directed by the same guy, Sam Mendes. Guess he has part of the merit as well, I should check which other movies he did.
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« Reply #699 on: July 16, 2018, 06:32:27 AM »
I am glad you are enjoying the films. I love James bond.

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