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« Reply #280 on: April 14, 2015, 05:39:15 AM »
What is it about Moonraker that people seem to find intolerable? It's got just as much campy stuff as any other Connery/Moore era Bond movies.

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« Reply #281 on: April 14, 2015, 06:09:57 AM »
I like some of the early Moore films, but I would probably agree that he doesn't have that special one that sticks out. But I feel similar with Connery in a way, I appreciate both his and Moore's movies, but if I were to pick out a favorite top3 Bond films then I don't think either would make an appearance. Those movies are a product of their time, and while I can still watch them and like them, I think some of them has aged better than others.

I need to revisit his first three Bond films, as I did enjoy LALD a bit when I was younger and I've heard most rank TSWLM rather highly too. As for Connery, I generally agree, but he still has From Russia With Love on his resume. That film still holds up, I think.

Moore's pre-Moonraker movies were just as good as anything Connery did.

Again, Connery had From Russia With Love, but I might agree with you aside from that.

What is it about Moonraker that people seem to find intolerable? It's got just as much campy stuff as any other Connery/Moore era Bond movies.

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« Reply #282 on: April 14, 2015, 06:12:54 AM »
Moonraker is great. That ending where they're trying to shoot down the pods.

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« Reply #283 on: April 14, 2015, 06:32:25 AM »
Moonraker is great. That ending where they're trying to shoot down the pods.

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« Reply #284 on: April 14, 2015, 06:50:55 AM »
I liked moonraker, it was actually more serious than I was expecting........until they got into space that is. I also can't hate a movie that has that awesome free fall fight for an opening. I can see why people hate it but I still found it better than TMWTGG
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« Reply #285 on: April 14, 2015, 07:48:50 AM »
I liked moonraker, it was actually more serious than I was expecting........until they got into space that is. I also can't hate a movie that has that awesome free fall fight for an opening. I can see why people hate it but I still found it better than TMWTGG

I still need to watch it again, so my opinion could change, but I just always found the idea of Moonraker's plot to be going too far in the sci-fi elements.

As I've said before, I got into Bond from the original novels by Fleming and while he had rather fantastical plots, it was never as extreme as a lot of the movies would go. There was a lot less of an emphasis on the gadgets that Bond received from Q-Branch in the books than there is in the films. The attache case in FRWL is a pretty good example of the type of equipment that Bond would use in the novels.

As a result of all of that, I just really dislike it when the movies go that extreme in terms of gadgets and over-the-top plot elements.
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« Reply #286 on: April 14, 2015, 09:22:03 AM »
Biggest problem for Moonraker for me was that they brought Jaws back and they turned him into an idiotic dumbass. It nearly ruined the image from TSWLM. He should've never been in it at all and they should've written a new henchmen in his place.

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« Reply #287 on: April 15, 2015, 02:52:29 AM »
Moore's run is pretty mediocre, not going to deny that, but at least he doesn't have Die Another Day.

cough Moonraker cough

I repeat; he doesn't have any real sort of 'masterpiece' like Brosnan does. I'd say Goldeneye balances out DAD, while Moore just has one massive stinker and everything else he did is pretty bad or awkward too.

Moonraker is pretty bad, not going to lie, but DAD is on another level of awfulness entirely.

Ugh. So bad.
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« Reply #288 on: April 18, 2015, 03:06:40 PM »
For me, Moonraker certainly isn't one of the better films in the series, but it's not at the bottom of the list either. It gets a bit stupid in places, but is at least still fun.

I'd put Die Another Day at second worst for the series. Second, because while it's really bad and almost ruined the series, it's at least a spectacular trainwreck.

My pick for worst Bond film is easily Diamonds Are Forever. Some of the reasons have already been mentioned here; Most unforgivably, it completely drops the ball as a followup to OHMSS.
The whole thing just feels so cheap and tacky as well. Connery obviously doesn't want to be there, and feels like a completely different character than from his previous films. As far as tone, the whole thing feels more farcical than almost anything from the Moore films (and at times, almost more than the Austin Powers films), and in a way that feels like a big 'fuck you' to the audience.

For me, the best Connery film is From Russia With Love. It's just such a fantastic cold war spy thriller. Connery is at his best, the supporting cast are all fantastic, and the story just clicks.

For OHMSS, I definitely like it more in spite of Lazenby than because of, though he does an okay job for the most part. I will say, if he was going to pick one scene to just get spot on, he picked the right one (the ending). A great all around cast, very unique story and pacing for the series, and phenomenally directed and put together.
I will say, it's difficult to see either Connery or Moore in that film. Interestingly, Dalton was actually considered, but he turned it down because he thought he was too young (around 21/22 at the time). Now that could have been something.

Moore is probably my least favorite take on the character, though I've started to appreciate his films for what they are in the last few years. His films are probably all around the middle of the pack for me; nothing amazing, but nothing terrible. I hear a lot of people say that The Spy Who Loved Me is one of the best in the series, but it never really clicked with me.
While not his best, I always found A View To A Kill to be his most interesting in some ways. Obviously, Christopher Walken is a fantastic villain. There's just an overarching weirdness to the film that's pretty intriguing. Obviously one of the main issues with the film is Moore's age by that point. Honestly, I think they really could have had something if they'd addressed it a bit. Have Bond deal a bit with getting older. They basically reset the series to a degree with Dalton anyway, so it could have worked.

I've always heard that Moore kept trying to leave after his third film or so. That the producers kept convincing him to come back, and he would more or less say "Okay, one last film, but then you have to find someone else". The main reason being, he felt that he was getting too old for the role.

Dalton is fantastic as Bond, and I think it's often overlooked just how important he was to the series. He basically brought the films back to actually being spy thrillers, and reeled things in a bit after Moore's run. The Living Daylights is still one of my favorite Bond films. License To Kill is good too, and Dalton brings it, but I find that film suffers from feeling a bit cheap at times.

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Re: The James Bond Thread
« Reply #289 on: April 18, 2015, 03:22:32 PM »
Love

Dr. No
From Russia with love
Goldfinger
Thunderball
Diamonds are forever
Goldeneye
Casino royale
Quantum of solace


Like

You only live twice
Oh her majesty's secret service
All roger Moore films
The living daylights
License to kill 
Tomorrow never dies


Don't like

Skyfall
Never say never again
The world is not enough
Die another day
 
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« Reply #290 on: April 18, 2015, 03:55:33 PM »
Skyfall below DAD?

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« Reply #291 on: April 18, 2015, 04:06:36 PM »
Non of that is ranked. I just threw them together. DAD is my least favorite bond film by far. I find it painful to even watch.

I respect sam Mendes and I respect a lot of whats going on in Skyfall, but overall I just don't like it. Craig's other bond films I love though.
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« Reply #292 on: April 18, 2015, 06:23:21 PM »
Ah ok I thought that was a ranking.

Still don't agree, but different strokes I guess. 's all good.
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« Reply #293 on: April 19, 2015, 05:16:28 AM »
I've always been a casual Bond fan. 

The Moore films are my least favorite.

Moonraker is my least favorite of those.
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Re: The James Bond Thread
« Reply #294 on: April 20, 2015, 06:35:04 PM »
I love the theme song for License to Kill. Gladys knight tearing it up

My top 5 themes would be:

1. Goldfinger
2. Goldeneye
3. License to kill
4. A view to a kill (dance into the fire)
5. Skyfall

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« Reply #295 on: April 21, 2015, 09:47:04 AM »
My Top 5:

1. GoldenEye
2. Skyfall
3. You Know My Name (Casino Royale)
4. Nobody Does It Better (The Spy Who Loved Me)
5. Live And Let Die

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« Reply #296 on: April 21, 2015, 09:50:21 AM »
My top 5 (lol so DTF)

1. You Know My Name
2. The Man With The Golden Gun
3. Live and Let Die
4. Nobody Does it Better
5. Goldfinger

My Top 5:

1. GoldenEye
2. Skyfall
3. You Know My Name (Casino Royale)
4. Nobody Does It Better (The Spy Who Loved Me)
5. Live And Let Die

Great choices. :tup Personally I think the Skyfall theme is overrated, but it's still quite good.
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« Reply #297 on: April 21, 2015, 09:53:54 AM »
My top 5 (lol so DTF)

1. You Know My Name
2. The Man With The Golden Gun
3. Live and Let Die
4. Nobody Does it Better
5. Goldfinger

My Top 5:

1. GoldenEye
2. Skyfall
3. You Know My Name (Casino Royale)
4. Nobody Does It Better (The Spy Who Loved Me)
5. Live And Let Die

Great choices. :tup Personally I think the Skyfall theme is overrated, but it's still quite good.

You Know My Name is ranked one of the worst by critics which is beyond me - such a catchy, great song, and they way they incorporate it into the score is excellent. Awesome work from Cornell!

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« Reply #298 on: April 21, 2015, 09:59:11 AM »
You Know My Name is ranked one of the worst by critics which is beyond me - such a catchy, great song, and they way they incorporate it into the score is excellent. Awesome work from Cornell!

I can understand it not being one of the favourites due to the style not being to everyone's tastes, but I don't know how anyone can rank it as one of the worst. It's very well written, and it's a great blend of rock and the signature Bond sound and chord progression. I also like the lyrics and the way it fits into the intro sequence.
The single version is a bit too straight up rock, but the orchestral mix in the movie is amazing.
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Re: The James Bond Thread
« Reply #299 on: April 21, 2015, 10:41:29 AM »
Die another day & quantum of solace are both godawful bond themes.

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« Reply #300 on: April 21, 2015, 10:45:11 AM »
Die another day & quantum of solace are both godawful bond themes.

Yup. Two of the worst, if not the worst.

Although its not technically a rejected Bond theme for QoS, Shirley Bassey's No Good About Goodbye is a much better theme, and would be one of my favourites. It was written by David Arnold, contains musical tie-ins to the soundtrack, and the lyrics are Bond-ish and have the word solace in them. Definitely intended as a theoretical theme.
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« Reply #301 on: April 21, 2015, 12:10:14 PM »
Which one is the one with Jack White and Alicia Keys? I love that one, just the sound and progressions for a Bond theme song.

EDIT: Haha that appears to be the Quantum of Solace theme song. Damn you DTF, that's my favorite. Most prog sounding too  :flame:
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« Reply #302 on: April 21, 2015, 03:48:36 PM »
I just hate Hack White.

A horrible horrible musician.

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« Reply #303 on: April 21, 2015, 06:36:23 PM »
I just hate Hack White.

A horrible horrible musician.

One of the worst voices on this planet. Rather take the nails on the chalkboard.

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« Reply #304 on: April 21, 2015, 07:24:21 PM »
I just hate Hack White.

A horrible horrible musician.

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« Reply #305 on: April 22, 2015, 01:35:00 AM »
Oh wow. Not to derail the thread, but I think he's a creative man, and a good producer. He does have a very distinctive sound, yes ;)
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« Reply #306 on: April 22, 2015, 04:33:33 AM »
He's just one of those people who isn't very good at guitar so they just shove it through fuzz boxes and

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« Reply #307 on: April 22, 2015, 04:47:18 AM »
He's just one of those people who isn't very good at guitar so they just shove it through fuzz boxes and

make a fuck ton of noise and people confuse it with genius.

I never said he's a guitar genius. He isn't. At all. I don't even see him as a guitar player. But I think he's a creative man, and I like his producing style and sound.
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« Reply #308 on: May 02, 2015, 08:00:50 AM »
I just watched Skyfall.  That was fucking fantastic.
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« Reply #309 on: May 02, 2015, 09:03:55 AM »
I just watched Skyfall.  That was fucking fantastic.

Yup. One of the best Bond films ever, if not the best. I need to go back and finish my Bond marathon once I finish up finals to be sure on my rankings. OHMSS is still the one that stands out the most to me these days. :hefdaddy
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« Reply #310 on: May 02, 2015, 09:04:49 AM »
I love Skyfall despite the glaring contrivances. Solid movie and much better than Quantum Of Solace.

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« Reply #311 on: May 02, 2015, 10:28:57 AM »
I just watched Skyfall.  That was fucking fantastic.

Yup. One of the best Bond films ever, if not the best. I need to go back and finish my Bond marathon once I finish up finals to be sure on my rankings. OHMSS is still the one that stands out the most to me these days. :hefdaddy

I've never said this about a new/upcoming Bond film, but I have the strongest feeling that SPECTRE will be the greatest Bond film of them all. I definitely think it'll trump Skyfall, even Casino Royale as Craig's finest. As of right now, the stars are aligning for this one.

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« Reply #312 on: May 02, 2015, 10:58:55 AM »
I'd probably say Casino Royale or GoldenEye is the best Bond movie for me, but Spectre is looking awesome. If Christoph Waltz is as good of a Bond villain that we hope he is, it will be amazing.

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« Reply #313 on: May 02, 2015, 11:38:25 AM »
I'd probably say Casino Royale or GoldenEye is the best Bond movie for me, but Spectre is looking awesome. If Christoph Waltz is as good of a Bond villain that we hope he is, it will be amazing.

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« Reply #314 on: May 02, 2015, 11:55:25 AM »
I'd probably say Casino Royale or GoldenEye is the best Bond movie for me, but Spectre is looking awesome. If Christoph Waltz is as good of a Bond villain that we hope he is, it will be amazing.

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