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« Reply #245 on: April 10, 2015, 10:33:37 AM »
I didn't think Moore looked that bad to be honest.

Dude looked terrible every single one of his Bond films in the 80's. He really should have retired after Moonraker.
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« Reply #246 on: April 10, 2015, 03:58:56 PM »
I think Moore looked good for the most part, but I remember in his last movie that he really looked like he was 50.

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« Reply #247 on: April 10, 2015, 04:41:22 PM »
I may give OYMSS and the Dalton movies another chance. I remember really not liking them when I was younger but I was 14 and it was all Coonery/Moore/Brosnan for me although Goldeneye was probably only Brosnan movie I really enjoyed.

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« Reply #248 on: April 10, 2015, 04:44:13 PM »
I may give OYMSS and the Dalton movies another chance. I remember really not liking them when I was younger but I was 14 and it was all Coonery/Moore/Brosnan for me although Goldeneye was probably only Brosnan movie I really enjoyed.

Dalton is tragically underrated. The main criticism is that he's too bland, but I think he's great.

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« Reply #249 on: April 10, 2015, 04:48:08 PM »
I remember watching, I think it was License to Kill, where Felix gets fed to the shark or something. It just went downhill from there.

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« Reply #250 on: April 10, 2015, 04:49:46 PM »
As dark as that film is, I prefer The Living Daylights.

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« Reply #251 on: April 10, 2015, 05:06:10 PM »
Brosnan was great but apart from Goldeneye- his films were mostly terrible, unfortunately.


But Goldeneye was pretty much spot on though.

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« Reply #252 on: April 10, 2015, 05:21:32 PM »
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« Reply #253 on: April 10, 2015, 05:33:55 PM »
Brosnan was great but apart from Goldeneye- his films were mostly terrible, unfortunately.


But Goldeneye was pretty much spot on though.

I like TND, and TWINE has a special place for me, being the first bond film I saw in theaters when I was 10. DAD is pretty bad though.

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« Reply #254 on: April 10, 2015, 06:41:07 PM »
I may give OYMSS and the Dalton movies another chance. I remember really not liking them when I was younger but I was 14 and it was all Coonery/Moore/Brosnan for me although Goldeneye was probably only Brosnan movie I really enjoyed.

Dalton is tragically underrated. The main criticism is that he's too bland, but I think he's great.

Dalton was the right Bond at the wrong time. I thought he played that more realistic Bond very well, better than Daniel Craig imo. But it was a transitional time for the franchise.

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« Reply #255 on: April 10, 2015, 11:37:20 PM »
I may give OYMSS and the Dalton movies another chance. I remember really not liking them when I was younger but I was 14 and it was all Coonery/Moore/Brosnan for me although Goldeneye was probably only Brosnan movie I really enjoyed.

Dalton is tragically underrated. The main criticism is that he's too bland, but I think he's great.

Dalton was the right Bond at the wrong time. I thought he played that more realistic Bond very well, better than Daniel Craig imo. But it was a transitional time for the franchise.

Daniel is becoming my favorite, probably tied with Connery at this point. He just owns the role more than anybody. He isn't playing Bond, he IS Bond. Spectre may bump him to the top for me.

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« Reply #256 on: April 11, 2015, 06:46:52 AM »
Daniel is becoming my favorite, probably tied with Connery at this point. He just owns the role more than anybody. He isn't playing Bond, he IS Bond. Spectre may bump him to the top for me.

Daniel has been my favorite Bond since I first saw Casino Royale on the big screen on its opening night nine years ago. :tup
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« Reply #257 on: April 11, 2015, 01:52:34 PM »
Casino Royale is already nine years old? Man, does time fly. I remember it hitting the cinemas, I think it might even have been the first Bond that I ever watched.
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« Reply #258 on: April 11, 2015, 02:21:25 PM »
Casino Royale is already nine years old? Man, does time fly. I remember it hitting the cinemas, I think it might even have been the first Bond that I ever watched.

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« Reply #259 on: April 11, 2015, 02:41:27 PM »
I've seen all of them in theaters since TWINE

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« Reply #260 on: April 11, 2015, 07:03:04 PM »
Casino Royale is already nine years old? Man, does time fly. I remember it hitting the cinemas, I think it might even have been the first Bond that I ever watched.

It was the first I ever saw on the big screen. I'd seen little bits and snippets of a bunch of different Bond movies over the years, but I didn't start paying attention to the movies until right around the time they started shooting CR, once I started hearing all the controversy over casting Daniel Craig as Bond.

Within the time-span of a week, I had come across a copy of the first Young Bond book by Charles Higgins and watched Goldfinger for the first time. I was oddly off-put by how the movie seemed more light-hearted than the supposed kid's book that I was reading. For the hell of it, I decided to go to the library and see if they had a copy of the novel Casino Royale (I wasn't even sure that it was a book; wasn't even aware that it was the first Bond story). Sure enough, they had a copy and I was hooked. Within the following months, I owned all twenty Bond films on DVD (my folks bought a huge collection dirt cheap on eBay from China for me :lol) and many of Ian Fleming's original novels.

As odd as it was, I actually pictured Craig in my head the entire time I was reading Fleming's novels. There hadn't been any trailers or serious quality footage of him as Bond at that point, but they did have that very first promotional photo of him as Bond. To me, that photo is still the character "James Bond" that I see in my head whenever I go back and read Fleming's novels.

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« Reply #261 on: April 11, 2015, 07:34:02 PM »
Just watched the living daylights and I really liked it. The much more serious tone of the film was refreshing after watching octopussy and a view to a kill. From reading the description of license to kill it sounds like it will be even darker.
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« Reply #262 on: April 11, 2015, 07:37:29 PM »
Just watched the living daylights and I really liked it. The much more serious tone of the film was refreshing after watching octopussy and a view to a kill. From reading the description of license to kill it sounds like it will be even darker.

It is. It's almost unquestionably the darkest Bond film ever.

I haven't seen the whole thing in ages, but I do remember preferring TLD, which is odd since I also recall LTK having an even better performance from Dalton, as well as far stronger villains than the ones in TLD. I think the main issue with the film is that it doesn't really feel Bondian at all. It comes off more as a blend between Die Hard and Scarface, with Bond as its lead star and pulling a Yojimbo/Fistful of Dollars on the main villains.
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« Reply #263 on: April 12, 2015, 01:24:52 AM »
Just watched the living daylights and I really liked it. The much more serious tone of the film was refreshing after watching octopussy and a view to a kill. From reading the description of license to kill it sounds like it will be even darker.

It is. It's almost unquestionably the darkest Bond film ever.

I haven't seen the whole thing in ages, but I do remember preferring TLD, which is odd since I also recall LTK having an even better performance from Dalton, as well as far stronger villains than the ones in TLD. I think the main issue with the film is that it doesn't really feel Bondian at all. It comes off more as a blend between Die Hard and Scarface, with Bond as its lead star and pulling a Yojimbo/Fistful of Dollars on the main villains.

To put it the most simple, Licence To Kill is a revenge film.

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« Reply #264 on: April 12, 2015, 01:49:37 AM »
I always liked Dalton, and would say he is very underrated. I thought both his movies were pretty good.

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« Reply #265 on: April 12, 2015, 04:28:03 AM »
Just watched the living daylights and I really liked it. The much more serious tone of the film was refreshing after watching octopussy and a view to a kill. From reading the description of license to kill it sounds like it will be even darker.

It is. It's almost unquestionably the darkest Bond film ever.

I haven't seen the whole thing in ages, but I do remember preferring TLD, which is odd since I also recall LTK having an even better performance from Dalton, as well as far stronger villains than the ones in TLD. I think the main issue with the film is that it doesn't really feel Bondian at all. It comes off more as a blend between Die Hard and Scarface, with Bond as its lead star and pulling a Yojimbo/Fistful of Dollars on the main villains.

I remember liking TLD quite a bit up until the setting shifts to the middle east. At that point I always got bored. Don't know why, but that's the point I lose interest. Everything up to that was pretty sweet though.

LTK on the other hand, I totally agree. It doesn't feel Bond-ish at all. And that's probably why I really don't like it. It feels like a sunday afternoon movie they'd be showing on TV, not some badass spy flick. and that's actually how I saw it, it just happened to be some random sunday afternoon, it was on and I was like meh. Don't mind the dark tone, though. I actually prefer it super dark.

But then what followed, oh my god. Goldenye is sleek, styleish and feels so fresh and cool. At least as far as I'm concerned.

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« Reply #266 on: April 12, 2015, 04:41:05 AM »
I remember liking TLD quite a bit up until the setting shifts to the middle east. At that point I always got bored. Don't know why, but that's the point I lose interest. Everything up to that was pretty sweet though.

LTK on the other hand, I totally agree. It doesn't feel Bond-ish at all. And that's probably why I really don't like it. It feels like a sunday afternoon movie they'd be showing on TV, not some badass spy flick. and that's actually how I saw it, it just happened to be some random sunday afternoon, it was on and I was like meh. Don't mind the dark tone, though. I actually prefer it super dark.

But then what followed, oh my god. Goldenye is sleek, styleish and feels so fresh and cool. At least as far as I'm concerned.

I completely agree; the third act is easily the weakest part of TLD. There's this absolutely wonderful set-up all through out the film, only to really give it a weak pay-off.

Goldeneye is one of the best Bond films ever. I'm generally not as big a fan of the "movie Bond" approach as I am of the films that go about capturing Ian Fleming's Bond (i.e. OHMSS, FRWL, CR, SF), but Goldeneye is just done so damn well that it's impossible not to love it. :tup
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« Reply #267 on: April 12, 2015, 08:07:08 AM »
Just watched the living daylights and I really liked it. The much more serious tone of the film was refreshing after watching octopussy and a view to a kill. From reading the description of license to kill it sounds like it will be even darker.

It is. It's almost unquestionably the darkest Bond film ever.

I haven't seen the whole thing in ages, but I do remember preferring TLD, which is odd since I also recall LTK having an even better performance from Dalton, as well as far stronger villains than the ones in TLD. I think the main issue with the film is that it doesn't really feel Bondian at all. It comes off more as a blend between Die Hard and Scarface, with Bond as its lead star and pulling a Yojimbo/Fistful of Dollars on the main villains.


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« Reply #268 on: April 12, 2015, 01:13:16 PM »
My unorganized trek through the Bond films continues... I watched From Russia With Love and Goldfinger for the first time in ages and it seems my long-time opinion still stands: From Russia With Love is a superior film to Goldfinger. The only other two potential Connery films that could sway up or down on my rankings are Dr. No and Thunderball. I'm currently watching the latter and will be sure to add my thoughts on that film once I'm finished. :tup
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« Reply #269 on: April 12, 2015, 02:16:51 PM »
I just finished Licence to kill and personally I loved it. If OHMSS had a proper follow up this is the kind of bond I would've wanted in it, Pissed off and wanting to get his revenge no matter what.I thought it was nice to see this side of the character. Also i loved the fact that Q had a larger role in this one. I think this will end up being one of my personal favorites in the series and definitely my favorite 80's bond movie.
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« Reply #270 on: April 12, 2015, 03:42:50 PM »
I just finished Licence to kill and personally I loved it. If OHMSS had a proper follow up this is the kind of bond I would've wanted in it, Pissed off and wanting to get his revenge no matter what.I thought it was nice to see this side of the character. Also i loved the fact that Q had a larger role in this one. I think this will end up being one of my personal favorites in the series and definitely my favorite 80's bond movie.

I need to go back and watch LTK again. It was a film that I always wanted to like. Now that I'm older and have a better understanding of what the film is, I might enjoy it a lot more now.

Anywho... Thunderball.

Surprisingly, Thunderball didn't hold up quite as well as I'd hoped it would. The film starts off really strong and has tons of great moments and features to it, but the film loses itself in the chaos of the third act and fails to really bring everything back together. I'm shocked to say this, but Goldfinger is actually a tighter, more focused film overall. Wow.
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« Reply #271 on: April 13, 2015, 08:06:56 AM »
I watched goldeneye last night I liked it. I didn't think it was as good as people are saying but I still enjoyed it. Maybe I would have liked it more if I didn't watch it so soon after LTK because they are so completely different in tone. Although Brosnan did a good job Part of me wishes that this was property of a lady with Dalton.

Well next as I understand is where the series starts to decline until we hit rock bottom at Die another day.
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« Reply #272 on: April 13, 2015, 08:21:35 AM »
Pretty much.

Tomorrow Never Dies is ok. The World Is Not Enough is about the same. But yeah. Die Another Day is

just terrible. It's more like a bad sci Fi.

Casino Royale blows it out of the water.


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« Reply #273 on: April 13, 2015, 09:15:55 AM »
GoldenEye is pretty awesome, I would probably put it in my top3 Bond movies without too much thinking. Tomorrow Never Dies was alright, but I think the major problem was that it followed GoldenEye. If Tomorrow Never Dies had come out first, people would probably have been slightly more optimistic, but as events turned out, we got a really awesome movie and then a good one, and in contrast it wasn't up to par. The World is not Enough is weird, because it has elements of "so bad its funny" (Denise Richards being a nuclear scientist, the line "I've always wanted to have Christmas in Turkey" etc) but it also takes itself too seriously. Die Another Day on the other hand is so terrible that it becomes funny.

I do like Brosnan as Bond, but it feels like he took over the role at an awkward time. The first two movies he did were pretty good, they were slightly "darker" and more serious in tone, and then the last two had moments when they were hamming it up like a Saturday morning cartoon show. Luckily they realized Bond doesn't work when it becomes too goofy or silly, and with Martin Campbell back (who did GoldenEye), they really got the franchise back on track with Casino Royale.

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« Reply #274 on: April 13, 2015, 09:58:49 AM »
Brosnan is probably my least favourite Bond.
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« Reply #275 on: April 13, 2015, 07:37:55 PM »
I watched goldeneye last night I liked it. I didn't think it was as good as people are saying but I still enjoyed it. Maybe I would have liked it more if I didn't watch it so soon after LTK because they are so completely different in tone. Although Brosnan did a good job Part of me wishes that this was property of a lady with Dalton.

Well next as I understand is where the series starts to decline until we hit rock bottom at Die another day.

Goldeneye isn't my personal type of Bond film, but it does what it does very well. It's just so wonderfully executed. I'll see how LTK ranks in comparison to it in due time.

And yeah, the series takes a sharp nose dive from here until it quantum leaps to new heights with Casino Royale. Brilliant film. :hefdaddy

Pretty much.

Tomorrow Never Dies is ok. The World Is Not Enough is about the same. But yeah. Die Another Day is

just terrible. It's more like a bad sci Fi.

Casino Royale blows it out of the water.

I saw Casino Royale so many times on the big screen when it came out in 2006. I don't think I had ever really been in love with a film like that before. I rented it from the library today, so I'll be watching it again in due time. :tup

GoldenEye is pretty awesome, I would probably put it in my top3 Bond movies without too much thinking. Tomorrow Never Dies was alright, but I think the major problem was that it followed GoldenEye. If Tomorrow Never Dies had come out first, people would probably have been slightly more optimistic, but as events turned out, we got a really awesome movie and then a good one, and in contrast it wasn't up to par. The World is not Enough is weird, because it has elements of "so bad its funny" (Denise Richards being a nuclear scientist, the line "I've always wanted to have Christmas in Turkey" etc) but it also takes itself too seriously. Die Another Day on the other hand is so terrible that it becomes funny.

I do like Brosnan as Bond, but it feels like he took over the role at an awkward time. The first two movies he did were pretty good, they were slightly "darker" and more serious in tone, and then the last two had moments when they were hamming it up like a Saturday morning cartoon show. Luckily they realized Bond doesn't work when it becomes too goofy or silly, and with Martin Campbell back (who did GoldenEye), they really got the franchise back on track with Casino Royale.

Yeah, I definitely agree that Brosnan came in at the wrong time.

Brosnan is probably my least favourite Bond.

Roger Moore is the worst Bond by far, in my opinion. At least Brosnan has one masterpiece on his belt.
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« Reply #276 on: April 14, 2015, 02:59:41 AM »
Moore's run is pretty mediocre, not going to deny that, but at least he doesn't have Die Another Day.
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« Reply #277 on: April 14, 2015, 05:04:04 AM »
Moore's run is pretty mediocre, not going to deny that, but at least he doesn't have Die Another Day.

cough Moonraker cough

I repeat; he doesn't have any real sort of 'masterpiece' like Brosnan does. I'd say Goldeneye balances out DAD, while Moore just has one massive stinker and everything else he did is pretty bad or awkward too.
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« Reply #278 on: April 14, 2015, 05:08:31 AM »
I like some of the early Moore films, but I would probably agree that he doesn't have that special one that sticks out. But I feel similar with Connery in a way, I appreciate both his and Moore's movies, but if I were to pick out a favorite top3 Bond films then I don't think either would make an appearance. Those movies are a product of their time, and while I can still watch them and like them, I think some of them has aged better than others.

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« Reply #279 on: April 14, 2015, 05:24:50 AM »
Moore's pre-Moonraker movies were just as good as anything Connery did.
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