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« Reply #210 on: April 04, 2015, 06:08:35 PM »
Yeah, Moonraker is hilariously awful too.

But it was mostly a communication thing. I was thinking that "miss" was a qualifier and not as bad as "disaster" in your book. :tup

Also I should probably read some of the books. Your description of YOLT has me intrigued, even though the movie was very average.
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« Reply #211 on: April 04, 2015, 06:19:51 PM »
Yeah, Moonraker is hilariously awful too.

But it was mostly a communication thing. I was thinking that "miss" was a qualifier and not as bad as "disaster" in your book. :tup

That said, Moonraker did at least give us that little gem of a line at the ending: "I think he's attempting re-entry, sir."

Comedy gold, right there.

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Also I should probably read some of the books. Your description of YOLT has me intrigued, even though the movie was very average.

Be sure to take care in picking which books to read! Some are brilliant, some are fun romps and others are rather dreadful. My personal favorites are (in chronological order): Casino Royale, From Russia With Love, Dr. No and the Spectre trilogy. The trilogy is composed of Thunderball, On Her Majesty's Secret Service and You Only Live Twice.

One of the biggest issues of the film YOLT is that it's misplaced in the order and the book's story can only work if you set it after OHMSS. The film series put in some very minor efforts to try and make the film version of Diamonds are Forever act as its version of the book YOLT (aka they point out that Bond wants revenge on Blofeld), but it lacks all the nuance and intelligence of the novel.

In the book, the setting of Japan acts as more than just another exotic location for Bond to explore; he undergoes a sort of spiritual healing through delving himself into the Japanese culture. It's an incredibly gloomy and macabre story that is really unlike anything else in the Bond mythos, be it novels or films. The closest comparison that I could make would probably be Skyfall, and even that's still pretty different from YOLT.
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« Reply #212 on: April 04, 2015, 06:45:27 PM »
Interesting. I have most of the books but I don't think I've read them all. I think I'll read the Spectre trilogy next.

Also I have no problems with Moonraker. I know it's much different than the book but it's just a campy action movie. I had much bigger problems with every other Bronson movie other than Goldeneye.

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« Reply #213 on: April 04, 2015, 07:05:44 PM »
Interesting. I have most of the books but I don't think I've read them all. I think I'll read the Spectre trilogy next.

Also I have no problems with Moonraker. I know it's much different than the book but it's just a campy action movie. I had much bigger problems with every other Bronson movie other than Goldeneye.

The Spectre trilogy are my personal favorites of the Bond novels. You get one of the best standard Bond stories ever in Thunderball, THE best Bond story in OHMSS and then the darkest and most original story to ever grace the Bond series with YOLT (my personal favorite).
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« Reply #214 on: April 04, 2015, 08:51:06 PM »
I'll watch DAD over Quantum any day of the week.

Yes, there are weaker entries in the series, but those are still entertaining. Everything I can think of about Quantum is bad, IMO.

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« Reply #215 on: April 05, 2015, 02:45:02 AM »
Different tastes I guess.

At least Quantum of Solace didn't have Bond being chased down a collapsing glacier by a space laser while driving an invisible car.
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« Reply #216 on: April 05, 2015, 07:04:07 AM »
Different tastes I guess.

At least Quantum of Solace didn't have Bond being chased down a collapsing glacier by a space laser while driving an invisible car.

Yeah seriously, holy shit.
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« Reply #217 on: April 05, 2015, 07:21:33 AM »
Different tastes I guess.

At least Quantum of Solace didn't have Bond being chased down a collapsing glacier by a space laser while driving an invisible car.

Yeah seriously, holy shit.

Or that painfully obvious CGI Bond surfing.
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« Reply #218 on: April 05, 2015, 07:58:27 AM »
I wouldn't just say Die Another Die is one of the worst Bond movies, but one of the worst movies I've seen. I saw it when it came out, and I was maybe 10-11 at the time, and even then I was baffled at how stupid most of the movie was. Bond surfing and being chased by a space laser is probably the highlight.  :lol

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« Reply #219 on: April 05, 2015, 08:21:07 AM »
My biggest disappointment with the movies so far is that OHMSS does not have a proper followup. OHMSS surprisingly became one of my favorite bond movies even though Lazenby isn't the best bond but considering this was basically his first acting job he wasn't that bad. I think he would've improved a lot if he stayed on for more than one film. Its like when Connery came back for DAF they just completely ignored OHMSS and it felt like a sequel to YOLT. Which is a shame because OHMSS has one of the best and darkest endings of the series. They don't even mention the ending until the spy who loved me.
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« Reply #220 on: April 05, 2015, 08:25:57 AM »
I couldn't even make it to the end of OHMSS because of Lazenby but I should probably give it another shot. At the time I was just so enamored with the Connery/Moore Bond's that watching Lazenby was pretty much "who the hell is this guy?"

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« Reply #221 on: April 05, 2015, 09:39:01 AM »
My biggest disappointment with the movies so far is that OHMSS does not have a proper followup. OHMSS surprisingly became one of my favorite bond movies even though Lazenby isn't the best bond but considering this was basically his first acting job he wasn't that bad. I think he would've improved a lot if he stayed on for more than one film. Its like when Connery came back for DAF they just completely ignored OHMSS and it felt like a sequel to YOLT. Which is a shame because OHMSS has one of the best and darkest endings of the series. They don't even mention the ending until the spy who loved me.

In that case, you need to read the book version of YOLT. OHMSS is one of the most book-accurate films in the series, so if you'd like to see any sort of proper followup, the book YOLT is the place to go. :tup
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« Reply #222 on: April 06, 2015, 05:20:46 PM »
I started Thunderball last night and before I knew it I was 40 pages in. Just starting to get into the whole SPECTRE storyline. Thank you for unintentionally reminding me I had these on my shelf collecting dust.

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« Reply #223 on: April 06, 2015, 07:12:11 PM »
I wouldn't just say Die Another Die is one of the worst Bond movies, but one of the worst movies I've seen. I saw it when it came out, and I was maybe 10-11 at the time, and even then I was baffled at how stupid most of the movie was. Bond surfing and being chased by a space laser is probably the highlight.  :lol

Die another day is the Batman and Robin (1997) of Bond. Just an absolute joke of a movie. I've loved bond almost my entire life with Goldeneye being my favorite, but coming out of that theater, I was embarrassed to be a Bond fan.

But then again, it led to Casino Royale (aka batman begins), but at least there's that silver lining.

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« Reply #224 on: April 07, 2015, 11:38:00 AM »
I've been doing a bit more research and thinking on the whole matter of how much longer Daniel Craig has left as James Bond, and I think it'll likely be one of the following two options. There are some rumors that are potentially big spoilers on Spectre that feed into this though...

1. Spectre is Craig's last film as Bond and they leave the rumored open-ended conclusion as-is; essentially a happy twist on OHMSS's ending
2. Craig comes back for one last Bond film, probably also with Mendes directing, and it likely continues the "S" trilogy with the title, Shatterhand, by taking Spectre's ending and opens up shortly afterward to turn it into OHMSS-territory and then largely takes from the original YOLT novel plot in exploring Bond's darkest hour and final confrontation with Blofeld.


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« Reply #225 on: April 07, 2015, 12:42:09 PM »
I'd love if Skyfall was the first in a Mendes-Craig trilogy.

Especially if Spectre and Bond 25 are both great.

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« Reply #226 on: April 07, 2015, 12:47:27 PM »
I'd love if Skyfall was the first in a Mendes-Craig trilogy.

Especially if Spectre and Bond 25 are both great.

Yep. If that ends up happening, I feel rather confident in guessing that the title for Bond 25 will be Shatterhand, to continue with the single-word "S" titles. Shatterhand is Blofeld's pseudonym in the novel version of YOLT.
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« Reply #227 on: April 07, 2015, 12:56:15 PM »
I'd love if Skyfall was the first in a Mendes-Craig trilogy.

Especially if Spectre and Bond 25 are both great.

Yep. If that ends up happening, I feel rather confident in guessing that the title for Bond 25 will be Shatterhand, to continue with the single-word "S" titles. Shatterhand is Blofeld's pseudonym in the novel version of YOLT.

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« Reply #228 on: April 07, 2015, 01:55:28 PM »
Just watched for your eyes only and overall I really enjoyed it. The humor in the Moore movies can be hit or miss but most of it here worked for me. I especially loved the anti-burglary system in his car.

The only thing I didn't like about the movie was the opening featuring not Blofeld.
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« Reply #229 on: April 07, 2015, 07:04:26 PM »
Really looking forward to SPECTRE, but I swear to god, if Blofeld is not in drag, then I'm walking out.



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« Reply #230 on: April 07, 2015, 07:33:41 PM »
Really looking forward to SPECTRE, but I swear to god, if Blofeld is not in drag, then I'm walking out.



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:lol Ugh, I tend to block out the vast majority of Diamonds are Forever in my mind. There's only the Crematorium sequence and all of its disturbing glory in my head. Nothing else.
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« Reply #231 on: April 08, 2015, 03:39:42 AM »
Which is the movie where Bond scoops up Blofeld with a helicopter and drops him down a factory chimney?
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« Reply #232 on: April 08, 2015, 05:37:27 AM »
Pretty sure that's the one with the volcano at the end ?

But my brain can only picture Moore in the helicopter so I'm not sure.

Is it the one with Little Nelly the autogiro?

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« Reply #233 on: April 08, 2015, 07:27:50 AM »
Which is the movie where Bond scoops up Blofeld with a helicopter and drops him down a factory chimney?

For your eyes only, That opening was the only thing i really didn't like about that movie
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« Reply #234 on: April 08, 2015, 08:59:45 AM »
Yeah, then we agree on that haha.

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« Reply #235 on: April 08, 2015, 09:14:19 AM »
Pretty sure that's the one with the volcano at the end ?

But my brain can only picture Moore in the helicopter so I'm not sure.

Is it the one with Little Nelly the autogiro?

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As they said, Blofeld being dropped into a chimney is in For Your Eyes Only, but yeah... Little Nelly is in the movie version of You Only Live Twice. :censored >:( :tdwn :angry: 

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« Reply #236 on: April 08, 2015, 10:57:25 AM »
The Connery movies were mostly quite dull.

Especially when he came back.

"My" Bond was Moore.

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« Reply #237 on: April 08, 2015, 12:52:47 PM »
The Connery movies were mostly quite dull.

Especially when he came back.

"My" Bond was Moore.

I quite like Dr. No and Thunderball, while also LOVING From Russia With Love, but I do think Goldfinger is highly overrated. Seriously, the supposed "greatest" Bond film of all-time is set in... Kentucky. Really?!

Also, You Only Live Twice and Diamonds are Forever were terrible.

That said, I'm really not a fan of Moore's Bond. Growing up, I liked Live and Let Die and I kinda liked The Spy Who Loved Me, but I pretty much hated every other film he did as Bond. I'm not sure how my opinions on LALD and TSWLM hold up today, since it's been years since I last saw either film.

I don't know if this is right or not, but I also remember reading that Moore wasn't interested in playing Bond as Ian Fleming wrote him. I really don't like that, personally, though he did do decently in his take on the role in some films. He's basically just as responsible for Austin Powers as Connery was.
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« Reply #238 on: April 08, 2015, 01:31:40 PM »
The Connery movies were mostly quite dull.

Especially when he came back.

"My" Bond was Moore.

I quite like Dr. No and Thunderball, while also LOVING From Russia With Love, but I do think Goldfinger is highly overrated. Seriously, the supposed "greatest" Bond film of all-time is set in... Kentucky. Really?!

Also, You Only Live Twice and Diamonds are Forever were terrible.

That said, I'm really not a fan of Moore's Bond. Growing up, I liked Live and Let Die and I kinda liked The Spy Who Loved Me, but I pretty much hated every other film he did as Bond. I'm not sure how my opinions on LALD and TSWLM hold up today, since it's been years since I last saw either film.

I don't know if this is right or not, but I also remember reading that Moore wasn't interested in playing Bond as Ian Fleming wrote him. I really don't like that, personally, though he did do decently in his take on the role in some films. He's basically just as responsible for Austin Powers as Connery was.

It's been a couple years since I've seen YOLT but I remember liking it.  If only for the fact that I love donald pleasence and that I find Sean Connery going undercover as a Japanese man hilarious.

As for diamonds are forever that is definatly my least favorite Connery Bond film. It even starts out bad with it completely ignoring OHMSS and having blofeld not looking remotely like blofeld. Also it seems like they took money out of the special effects budget in order to pay Connery's enormous salary. Some of those effects are cheesy and just plain bad even for the time. The only part I really liked was the cremation scene.
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« Reply #239 on: April 08, 2015, 02:07:54 PM »
It's been a couple years since I've seen YOLT but I remember liking it.  If only for the fact that I love donald pleasence and that I find Sean Connery going undercover as a Japanese man hilarious.

Donald Pleasance is pretty menacing in the role of Blofeld, but I do still see plenty of things in his performance that would lead to the creation of Dr. Evil. Connery doesn't look like he even wants to be there too, which is a big problem. But the biggest problem for me is how they completely tossed away the plot of the book (the absolute darkest Bond story ever) in favor of something very, very childish.

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As for diamonds are forever that is definatly my least favorite Connery Bond film. It even starts out bad with it completely ignoring OHMSS and having blofeld not looking remotely like blofeld. Also it seems like they took money out of the special effects budget in order to pay Connery's enormous salary. Some of those effects are cheesy and just plain bad even for the time. The only part I really liked was the cremation scene.

Completely agreed. :tup
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« Reply #240 on: April 09, 2015, 06:17:10 AM »
Yup. I just finished watching OHMSS again and I feel pretty confident in saying that it's my favorite Bond film now, though I still need to revisit FRWL, CR and Skyfall to be absolutely sure.

I'd never realized until now just how wonderfully directed OHMSS is. It's the closest thing we'll ever get to a Hitchcock-helmed Bond film and the avant-garde editing style used for Lazenby's brutal action sequences really give it a visceral quality to it. The only moments that compare to it in the rest of the series are the train fight in FRWL and all of CR's fight scenes.

Lazenby's acting isn't necessarily perfect, but I like the raw quality he gave to the film. He definitely gave a far better and more honest performance in the final scene than Sean Connery would have given, I think.
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« Reply #241 on: April 09, 2015, 05:39:54 PM »
Last night I watched Octopussy. It was a lot goofier than FYEO although I should've guessed that from the title. Overall I enjoyed it. The humor was fine for the most part but there were some gags like the tarzan scene that made be cringe. The stunt work was great as it usually is.  I really enjoyed the plane scene at the end of the movie, although nothing will top the freefall fight from moonraker for me.

I just finished A view to a kill a few minutes ago. This movie does not waste anytime with the cheese with the opening scene involving bond snowboarding with the beach boys playing in the background. This one I thought was alright. I can see why a lot of people don't like it. I still like it more than the man with the golden gun.
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« Reply #242 on: April 10, 2015, 04:49:47 AM »
I love View To A Kill !!

Walken made a great villain & I love the whole climax with the airship.

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« Reply #243 on: April 10, 2015, 05:44:41 AM »
I love View To A Kill !!

Walken made a great villain & I love the whole climax with the airship.

I do like the idea of Walken as a villain, and other elements of AVTAK, but Moore was way too old to play Bond by that point. It's just painful to watch him in this movie.
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« Reply #244 on: April 10, 2015, 07:58:33 AM »
I didn't think Moore looked that bad to be honest.
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