Author Topic: Sacrificed Sons (Read 6533 times)

moffatt · « **on:** February 19, 2010, 03:50:40 AM »

So i was reading through the I+W/8VM song by song rank thread and i see alot of people don't have much love for this song. I think this song kicks ass. The way it builds up the whole way through the unleash the heavy riff after the solo which i think is one of the best heavy riff's DT have done, then the way it hits straight into the chorus then to the really cool outro. MP's drumming on this song i have to say is amazing, especially during the end. Also the score performance of this song is amazing, i prefer it to the studio version myself, it fits perfect with the orchestra. But what do you guys think?

Zydar · « **Reply #1 on:** February 19, 2010, 03:57:31 AM »

I love it. And I'm so glad that I got to see it live last year. I can't help but sing along to the chorus when it comes.

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #2 on:** February 19, 2010, 04:21:56 AM »

I think it's a great song. The vibe of the intro piano and vocals fits the lyrical matter perfectly, and the instrumental section is one of their most powerful. I remember when I first got the album, I'd listen to that outro repeatedly. That orchestra gives the song so much impact.

Mladen · « **Reply #3 on:** February 19, 2010, 04:23:53 AM »

The chord progression is so predictable and cliché. Even the instrumental section doesn't do anything for me, it lacks some originality. It's certainly not one of my favorites...

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #4 on:** February 19, 2010, 04:35:22 AM »

Quote from: Mladen on February 19, 2010, 04:23:53 AM

The chord progression is so predictable and cliché. Even the instrumental section doesn't do anything for me, it lacks some originality. It's certainly not one of my favorites...

Which part of the chord progression? There's nothing predictable about it.

tri.ad · « **Reply #5 on:** February 19, 2010, 04:41:23 AM »

Great song, my fourth favourite on the album; I'd rate it 9/10. The last four minutes are amazing, and JLB's vocal delivery is very good.

Pierced Brosnan · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2010, 04:56:17 AM »

The outro is excellent, very powerful and dramatic.

hefdaddy42 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2010, 04:56:41 AM »

Quote from: tri.ad on February 19, 2010, 04:41:23 AM

Great song, my fourth favourite on the album; I'd rate it 9/10. The last four minutes are amazing, and JLB's vocal delivery is very good.

This almost exactly (although I don't rate it a 9 - maybe an 8). I was glad I got to see it performed at RCMH.

Mladen · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2010, 05:19:07 AM »

Quote from: BlobVanDam on February 19, 2010, 04:35:22 AM

Which part of the chord progression? There's nothing predictable about it.

The verses and chorus. So old and worn out...

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2010, 05:29:00 AM »

Quote from: Mladen on February 19, 2010, 05:19:07 AM

Quote from: BlobVanDam on February 19, 2010, 04:35:22 AM
Which part of the chord progression? There's nothing predictable about it.
The verses and chorus. So old and worn out...

Have you got any examples of other previous songs that have worn out this apparently cliche pattern, or are you content just throwing around empty criticisms? I've heard the chorus pattern used before, but it's not at all done in a cliche way, and the verse pattern of I, VI, II, V isn't exactly run of the mill, especially with the way the chords overlap the bass note.

Marvellous G · « **Reply #10 on:** February 19, 2010, 05:30:15 AM »

I'm not a drummer so this will be impossible to describe well, but I love towards the end how when the whole band is doing the main riff MP steps it up a notch and puts it into what sounds like 4/4, it really drives it even more. Not such a fan of the instrumental section though, which apparently makes me weird.

Dcrupi · « **Reply #11 on:** February 19, 2010, 05:45:19 AM »

Quote from: Marvellous G on February 19, 2010, 05:30:15 AM

I'm not a drummer so this will be impossible to describe well, but I love towards the end how when the whole band is doing the main riff MP steps it up a notch and puts it into what sounds like 4/4, it really drives it even more.

Yeah, I absolutely LOVE this. You're right, the rest of the band is in 6/8, and then Portnoy switches to 4/4, sounds soooo awesome. Also love the syncopation in JP's guitar in the vocal section immediately following, during "teach them what to think and feel." Dream Theater are pretty good at that whole musicianship thing...

OperantChamber · « **Reply #12 on:** February 19, 2010, 06:41:16 AM »

Quote from: tri.ad on February 19, 2010, 04:41:23 AM

The last four minutes are amazing, and JLB's vocal delivery is very good.

Quote from: Dcrupi on February 19, 2010, 05:45:19 AM

"teach them what to think and feel."

tri.ad · « **Reply #13 on:** February 19, 2010, 06:44:29 AM »

Quote from: OperantChamber on February 19, 2010, 06:41:16 AM

Quote from: tri.ad on February 19, 2010, 04:41:23 AM
The last four minutes are amazing, and JLB's vocal delivery is very good.
Quote from: Dcrupi on February 19, 2010, 05:45:19 AM
"teach them what to think and feel."

That was exactly the line I was thinking about when I wrote that part.

ZKX-2099 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 19, 2010, 07:14:49 AM »

The guitar solo almost sounds like a plane screeching into a building. Fits the theme of the song well.

Dublagent66 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 19, 2010, 07:18:33 AM »

It's one of my least favorites but the instrumental section and outro are pretty good.

Space Invader · « **Reply #16 on:** February 19, 2010, 07:42:35 AM »

I love one riff and the chorus, but other than that it's pretty meh.

bosk1 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 19, 2010, 08:04:09 AM »

Love it. Great song.

Quote from: Dcrupi on February 19, 2010, 05:45:19 AM

Quote from: Marvellous G on February 19, 2010, 05:30:15 AM
I'm not a drummer so this will be impossible to describe well, but I love towards the end how when the whole band is doing the main riff MP steps it up a notch and puts it into what sounds like 4/4, it really drives it even more.

Yeah, I absolutely LOVE this. You're right, the rest of the band is in 6/8, and then Portnoy switches to 4/4, sounds soooo awesome. Also love the syncopation in JP's guitar in the vocal section immediately following, during "teach them what to think and feel." Dream Theater are pretty good at that whole musicianship thing...

Yes!

Bombardana · « **Reply #18 on:** February 19, 2010, 08:14:00 AM »

SS = Meh.

reneranucci · « **Reply #19 on:** February 19, 2010, 10:50:59 AM »

Quote from: BlobVanDam on February 19, 2010, 04:21:56 AM

I think it's a great song. The vibe of the intro piano and vocals fits the lyrical matter perfectly, and the instrumental section is one of their most powerful. I remember when I first got the album, I'd listen to that outro repeatedly. That orchestra gives the song so much impact.

j · « **Reply #20 on:** February 19, 2010, 11:00:05 AM »

It's got some cool instrumental stuff going on, but overall it's not great and the lyrics are not good either (I generally don't like lyrics of this nature). It warrants a listen every once in awhile.

-J

King Postwhore · « **Reply #21 on:** February 19, 2010, 11:35:33 AM »

My second fav. on the album. The solo is so damn erie. The chaos in the first half of the solo to the almost weeping emotional second half. It brings so many emotions that I remember about 9/11.

juice · « **Reply #22 on:** February 19, 2010, 05:01:56 PM »

i think its a great song and my 2nd favorite on the ablum as well! i'd give it a 9/10

Mladen · « **Reply #23 on:** February 20, 2010, 01:20:57 AM »

Quote from: BlobVanDam on February 19, 2010, 05:29:00 AM

Have you got any examples of other previous songs that have worn out this apparently cliche pattern, or are you content just throwing around empty criticisms? I've heard the chorus pattern used before, but it's not at all done in a cliche way, and the verse pattern of I, VI, II, V isn't exactly run of the mill, especially with the way the chords overlap the bass note.

Sorry, pal, you can't expect me to name a bunch of songs with the exact same chord progression. I just say that pattern of I, VI, II, V in the verse feels like déjà vu, just because it sounds so simple, predictable and unoriginal. Which is too bad, because this is DT, one of the few bands that rarely lack originality in terms of patterns, chord progressions and stuff.

inoku · « **Reply #24 on:** February 20, 2010, 05:54:57 AM »

JP's guitar solo on this song wins..

Birch Boy · « **Reply #25 on:** February 20, 2010, 09:20:09 PM »

Awesome song, one of my favorites off Octavarium. Saw them play it live with the 9-11 video clips and it made it 10 times better than it already was (which is awesome).

Adami · « **Reply #26 on:** February 20, 2010, 10:32:50 PM »

Good song, just seems to drag on a bit.

MirzekDT · « **Reply #27 on:** February 21, 2010, 02:40:28 PM »

For some strange reason I almost never listen to this song without listening to the whole album but I like whole song very much and 6:24-7:50 is absolute awesomeness

briang · « **Reply #28 on:** February 22, 2010, 09:22:12 AM »

The chord progression is common and predictable. However, I really like the layering that Petrucci and Rudess did on this song. It disguises the familiarity when combined with Labrie's vocal part. Having a familiar chord progression isn't necessarily bad, it just depends on how you utilize it in the song.

LosferWords · « **Reply #29 on:** February 22, 2010, 10:54:32 AM »

Song is amazing in my opinion

nightmare_cinema · « **Reply #30 on:** February 24, 2010, 06:59:56 AM »

I'm not a huge fan of the vocal parts of the song, but the 4:11 onward instrumental is one of the sexiest, finest slices of dream theater's music in existence. I'll often put it on just to listen from that part onwards.

moffatt · « **Reply #31 on:** March 02, 2010, 01:30:34 PM »

certainly a lot of different views on this song, and yer i never realised the solo does kind of sound like a plane crashing, very clever one there JP

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