Israel Assassinations?

[AndyDT]

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/122955/Interpol-step-up-hunt-for-assassins-/

[Dr. SeaWolf]

I think it's funny that you Brits trust news sources with a "Babes" link on the front page

[Adami]

Yes, Israel conducts assassinations. Welcome to the past 60 years.

[Sigz]

Yes, Israel conducts assassinations. Welcome to the past 60 years.

Yeah, since when is this news?

I think it's funny that you Brits trust news sources with a "Babes" link on the front page

 

[Progmetty]

Yep, Israel does assassinations, they've been doing this for so long that nobody is upset when it happens anymore, even here in the Arab world heh

[Adami]

In many cases I am pro the assassinations, which is odd since I am against capital punishment.

[AcidLameLTE]

I think it's funny that you Brits trust news sources with a "Babes" link on the front page

Trust me, not all of us are like that.

[hefdaddy42]

Yes, Israel conducts assassinations. Welcome to the past 60 years.

[El Barto]

To be fair, this one does seem to be garnering more attention, nearly to the point of gaining some traction.  Has there been an instance where one of these things was actually investigated for being criminal?

[Super Dude]

In many cases I am pro the assassinations, which is odd since I am against capital punishment.

[emindead]

In many cases I am pro the assassinations, which is odd since I am against capital punishment.

"My country above anything else."

[Super Dude]

No we're not starting this...

[Sir GuitarCozmo]

Even more amusing is the article on the side, headlined "Gwyneth Paltrow's cheeky kick up the butt".

[Dr. SeaWolf]

That seems contradictory to me;  why would assassinations be A-okay, but capital punishment is wrong?

[emindead]

*shrugs*

And actually, I wanted to get into debate about how the Mossad used fake passports to accomplish the mission. What can these countries like France, Ireland, Germany and the UK do to Israel for forging their documents?

[Adami]

That seems contradictory to me;  why would assassinations be A-okay, but capital punishment is wrong?

Honestly there is a rational. I am pro assassination in the cases where trying to arrest this person would end up causing way more deaths than just their own and leaving the people alive will cause way more deaths as they are persistent threat.

This doesn't mean I am pro EVERY assassination Israel has done, so don't start bringing up contradictary cases.



Now, whether or not this job was mossad is up in the air. If it were, I doubt everyone would be making such a big deal out of it. There have been tons of accusations, Hamas are now saying that other palestinians were responsible. I seriously don't see Mossad working with fatah on this.

[zerogravityfat]

if this isn't a mossad job, then they are slipping.

[Adami]

if this isn't a mossad job, then they are slipping.

If this IS a mossad job, then they are slipping.

My hopes is that if Mossad are still who they were, this would have been quiet and not a news spectacle. This was much sloppier than a classic mossad job.

[El Barto]

if this isn't a mossad job, then they are slipping.

If this IS a mossad job, then they are slipping.

Precisely.

[Adami]

I'd also like to point out that people have been changing their minds constantly about who's behind the dubai hit. Dubai blamed europe, then switched to israel, hamas blames israel and fatah and fatah is blaming hamas. Clearly no one has confirmed anything.

EDIT: It seems Dubai even arrested two palestinians for the murder and is currently holding them. They do however, have 10 european suspects who they for some reason are just assuming are mossad agents.

[Super Dude]

That seems contradictory to me;  why would assassinations be A-okay, but capital punishment is wrong?

Honestly there is a rational. I am pro assassination in the cases where trying to arrest this person would end up causing way more deaths than just their own and leaving the people alive will cause way more deaths as they are persistent threat.

This doesn't mean I am pro EVERY assassination Israel has done, so don't start bringing up contradictary cases.

Well all of that and there's a difference between a target for death that's political and one that's civil.  I'm not saying I condone or condemn either of these justifications, but it's just the same as asking why it's wrong to kill a person in cold blood and why it's right (or at least why nobody supporting a war has any objection to it) to be a soldier killing other soldiers.

[emindead]

That seems contradictory to me;  why would assassinations be A-okay, but capital punishment is wrong?

Honestly there is a rational. I am pro assassination in the cases where trying to arrest this person would end up causing way more deaths than just their own and leaving the people alive will cause way more deaths as they are persistent threat.

Honestly, that's the argument pro capital punishment give.

[Adami]

I've never heard pro capital punishment people say "We're killing this person in order to save other lives". It's usually "he deserves to die".

If israel can arrest the person without casualties, that's what they should do. But that is often times not the case.

[Dr. SeaWolf]

That's actually a good point.  For the record, I'm not against either assassinations or capital punishment, so it didn't initially make sense to me that someone would be against one, but not the other.

[emindead]

I've never heard pro capital punishment people say "We're killing this person in order to save other lives". It's usually "he deserves to die".

I actually think it's both.

[Adami]

I've never heard pro capital punishment people say "We're killing this person in order to save other lives". It's usually "he deserves to die".

I actually think it's both.

Well, the first argument makes no sense in most cases. And I've NEVER heard it before in my life.

[Dr. SeaWolf]

Yeah, I tend to think of capital punishment purely from a "punishment" sense, rather than a "deterrent" sense, as capital punishment clearly doesn't work as a deterrent, as there are still murders in states like Texas where the lethal injection gurneys have a waiting list.  It doesn't make sense to me to justify capital punishment that way.

[ehra]

I don't see how it would make any sense to use the "we're saving lives!" excuse to kill someone that's already locked up.

[Adami]

I don't see how it would make any sense to use the "we're saving lives!" excuse to kill someone that's already locked up.

Exactly.

[Scheavo]

I don't see how it would make any sense to use the "we're saving lives!" excuse to kill someone that's already locked up.

The threat of dying is supposed to keep people from murdering other people.

It doesn't, of course. And it's not as if life in prison is a delightful prospect.

[Dr. SeaWolf]

I don't see how it would make any sense to use the "we're saving lives!" excuse to kill someone that's already locked up.

The threat of dying is supposed to keep people from murdering other people.

It doesn't, of course. And it's not as if life in prison is a delightful prospect.

That's exactly my point.  You can view capital punishment as exactly that, punishment.  Viewing it as anything else is unrealistic.

[AndyDT]

*shrugs*

And actually, I wanted to get into debate about how the Mossad used fake passports to accomplish the mission. What can these countries like France, Ireland, Germany and the UK do to Israel for forging their documents?

Many things from withdrawing intelligence support, weapons sales to giving Israel the cold shoulder diplomatically.

[Adami]

Germany, France, Ireland and the UK can't hurt israel in any possible way, so they can "act" all mean, but it won't accomplish anything.

Also, there's no proof that it was mossad, it's just dubai assuming.

[ack44]

This was much sloppier than a classic mossad job.

 Apparently they locked the door from the inside to make it look like he died alone. That just sounds shitty, even if it was for temporary effect. Also there were electric shocks on his genitals, if that means anything.

 Assassinations are bad diplomacy. If you're with war with a country and you're killing people left and right, that's one thing. But if you're trying to make peace with a group of people, assassinating their leaders is one of the worst things you can do. I hope the moderates in the Israeli government are pissed about this... if it was Mossad.

[Super Dude]

Well in their defense, Israel IS trying to make peace with the Palestinian people.  They're killing the people who would do anything to prevent peace.