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Offline lelanddt

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Shuffling Your iPod (Try it!)
« on: March 01, 2012, 09:12:46 PM »
One of the most interesting things to do with a large library of music is to shuffle it completely, song by song. Each song on your library gets played only once, in a random order. It's a really awesome feeling when a really good song comes on and surprises you! I'm talking portably on your iPod, click shuffle and let it go. But some things to consider

- Listen to every song, if you don't like it. Play every song all the way through. After you finish delete the songs you dislike and keep what you like!

- Turn the ipod off when you aren't listening, i.e. don't just leave it running. Actually be listening when the music plays!

- Depending on how many songs you have, this entire process takes awhile. When I shuffle 3000 songs, it usually
takes me around 3 months.

Just an idea, but it's the randomness and the feeling of completing it without messing up that is really cool!
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Re: Shuffling Your iPod (Try it!)
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2012, 10:02:45 PM »
Tried this 3 years ago and it took entirely too long, even skipping some songs.  I didn't really "rediscover" anything, and I probably only reconsidered my opinion about 10 songs out of 5000+, so I don't really consider a 0.5% hit rate worth the effort.  That was when I had about 21 days worth of music according to iTunes, and I have a job/lifestyle where 50 hours/week of music listening is the norm.  It also completely stops your ability to add new music, or rock out to a song you really want to listen to.  If you want to do something like this, the best way is to go album by album so you can take breaks or add new music as needed.

If you smallish library and you don't purchase 25+ CDs a year it might work for you, but its nothing I would ever consider doing again, and therefore wouldn't suggest it to others.

Sorry for trashing your idea, but I thought I'd tell people of my rather unenjoyable experiece doing the same thing.  It's like communism: In theory it is a great idea, in practice it just doesn't work the way you thought it would.
     

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Re: Shuffling Your iPod (Try it!)
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2012, 10:20:03 PM »
It works IF you stack your library with awesome songs. Then you increase the amount of times you hear awesome songs.
it's definitely not for everybody, I'm really into it for the statistical and probability aspect of it as well. Regardless I think it's worth trying!

also 21 days! wow that WOULD take forever! 5000 songs takes almost half a year! sorry you didnt enjoy it!
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2012, 10:21:53 PM »
I pretty much do this all the time. But I only get so far until I feel the need to listen to another song.
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Re: Shuffling Your iPod (Try it!)
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2012, 10:23:38 PM »
I pretty much do this all the time. But I only get so far until I feel the need to listen to another song.

It's easy if you have a laptop nearby with itunes, because then you can listen to what you want while maintaining a shuffle! and you can still add to itunes new music and enjoy it!
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Re: Shuffling Your iPod (Try it!)
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2012, 10:30:06 PM »
It's up to 46 days and I have about 25 CD's coming in the next week, so tack on about another day.

Even under the assumption I like everything in my library (and I like 95% of it), there just times that as much I might like a band, album, or even song - I'm just not feeling it at the moment.

I was merely suggesting that people might end up liking it as much as they liked the idea when they started.  It got old for me about 100 songs in.
     

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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2012, 02:29:53 AM »
It's up to 46 days and I have about 25 CD's coming in the next week, so tack on about another day.

DTVT I've got a question that I guess is off topic, but when you purchase a large amount of CD's like you have here how do you listen? Do you listen to one for a while then move on to another or do you do one after another.

I usually buy music online because the places around here that have music is mostly mainstream so when I buy online I usually buy quite a few at the same time. When I do listen to these though It's while I'm walking and it's one after the other, and it's not exactly that I forget the music I've herd when there in succession it's just that I have to listen again to fully absorb it. Sorry for the ramble on question just curious how someone who purchases music like I do listens.

On topic now:
this does seem like a cool idea but it does seem like it would take forever, I've got over 6,000 songs and it's ever expanding, and I'm not sure how you'd do new music, you'd have to go off the shuffle to listen to new albums and then the shuffling would take longer.

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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2012, 07:11:30 AM »
I actually have a bigger collection of albums on my computer than my ipod. I have my own system.

I'll listen to an album. If I like over 60% of the songs on the album it'll go on my ipod, if I don't I'll just add the songs I do like, that way when it's on shuffle I usually like everything (however I'll still skip simply because of vast differences in genres that come up).

I've started buy albums this way, unless it's a that I really like and supoort, I'll buy digital media, and if I like less than 60% of the album, I'll only buy those songs.

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Re: Shuffling Your iPod (Try it!)
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2012, 07:29:11 AM »
My wife does this with her iPod and I just don't get it, because she ends up skipping two out of every three songs.  She has movie soundtracks and pop stuff and... well, actually that's about it, but when a song comes up that she doesn't like or isn't in the mood for, she skips it.  I guess in a way she's still choosing from tunes she likes in the first place, but it seems like more trouble than it's worth.

My solution is the "Mondo Mix".  I don't have a lot of playlists, but I have one with about 1000 tracks (and counting).  My favorite tracks from my favorite albums.  The ones I liked so much that I bought the album in the first place.  The deep tracks that you never hear on the radio but are awesome.  The proggish songs from otherwise pop bands.  Sprinkle in some awesome classical, jazz, comedy, whatever.  I've survived numerous six-hour road trips to Michigan and back without skipping a single track, just shuffling the Mondo Mix.

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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2012, 08:21:52 AM »
I love listening to shuffle. I have so much music on m ipod that I haven't listened to a lot of it.

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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2012, 09:27:38 AM »
I used to do this a lot back when I first got an iPod, but the biggest problem I had with it was varying production values from track to track.  A track would come on that would be so quiet it was barely audible, then the next track would be ridiculously loud.  I'd have to keep going back to my player to adjust the volume every few tracks, so eventually I just got over it.  70's prog stuff was the worst offender.  I suppose it comes from the music originally being recorded in an era when dudes would listen to the records with big headphones on while chilling on their bean bag chairs taking bong rips, but so many of my Genesis, Gentle Giant, etc. tracks would have parts that were so quiet I'd think my player had turned off all of a sudden or something.  Twas a bummer man.

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Re: Shuffling Your iPod (Try it!)
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2012, 09:54:52 AM »
I'm not sure what having actual dynamics in songs has to do with either headphones or getting stoned.  Classical music is the same way.  You have quiet sections and you have louder sections.  Not exactly stoner music.

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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2012, 10:02:52 AM »
It was just a joke, just conjuring a cliche 1970's image.  Not meant to be taken literal.  My apologies.  Just a joke sir, just a joke.  Nothing more to see here.  You can go about your business.  Move along.  Move along.

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Re: Shuffling Your iPod (Try it!)
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2012, 10:37:23 AM »
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I've tried this a few times but my music collection is so ridiculously vast (just checked my music folder for the first time in a few weeks and it's now at 189 GB) that it's easier just to go down the list of files I have if I really need to clean up, or if I'm taking a stroll down memory lane. But I really do listen to a shitload of music, there's a few artists or soundtracks that I should probably delete due to them having pixel-dust on the files by now, but other than a handful of bands that I've grown out of and keep for nostalgia's sake, there's not much I haven't listened to on a regular basis in my collection. I wouldn't benefit from the whole 'rediscovering songs/bands one has forgotten' shtick. It's fun once in a while to click random on my iPod but that's not out of any desire to find an artist that needs deleting or rediscover something (obviously I don't have all 200 gigs on my iPod..about 9 gigs). Mainly I use shuffle/random for when I go jogging, but it's usually in a specific genre.

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Re: Shuffling Your iPod (Try it!)
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2012, 02:34:30 PM »
DTVT I've got a question that I guess is off topic, but when you purchase a large amount of CD's like you have here how do you listen? Do you listen to one for a while then move on to another or do you do one after another.


Well, I have the luxury of listening to music on my iPod at work, as long as I'm not teaching a class; so I like I said somewhere recently (it might have been another thread), it is quite easy for me to get 50+ hours of music listening in a week between work, car, and home (cook/clean/reading/web surfing).  I order everything online because the closest music store is an FYE that is almost an hour away so I tend to get things in large batches.  When I make an order from somewhere, the music will fall into 5 catagories: 1) Order triggers (the CD's I ordered because I wanted them ASAP and are thus reasons to get things from other categories.  Usually established artists.); 2) order riders (things I throw in the cart that sit until I want enough stuff to justify placing the order, usually artists I am completing discographies from or my first purchase from an artist), 3) stuff on sale (I order a lot from CMDistro and laserCD, so I keep an eye on stuff that goes on sale there.  Usually similar to stuff from the previous category, or bands I heard of but haven't heard anything from); 4) complete flyers, which don't happen too often but I find that I seem to have incredible luck with these; and 5) random grabbags at CMDistro and Nuclear Blast.  I have a hit rate of about 3 out of 10, with usually 2 or 3 others being duplicates of albums I already own and can sell at a music store, and the rest duds - but the hit rate is enough to justify the price.

Order triggers are always the first things I listen to, and with intent since I was looking forward to them.  Other ones I'll listen to while I'm busy doing something else, and a quick metric of how heavy of a rotation it will get is how well does it grab my attention (for the right reasons) when my attention is elsewhere.  If it does, it will likely move towards the top of the queue when second listens come around.  If it doesn't grab my attention after two or three spins, I'll give it a dedicated listen to see if that solves the problem.  I end up with surprisingly few duds, although sometimes bands just seem to crap out (FALCONER), and others just don't offer anything that justifies further investigation when I have hundreds of albums I do enjoy, I usually keep 2 or 3 of these in my car for the few times I forget to grab the iPod.  For whatever reason I don't let go of the duds just in case.  It took me two years for BtBaM's Colors to click, but once I "got them", I fell in love with them, so there is always a chance I'll discover them late - but that's only happened with BtBaM and PoS, and PoS was back when my collection was closer to 250 albums 7 years ago, not closing in on 900 like it is now.
     

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Re: Shuffling Your iPod (Try it!)
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2012, 02:48:07 PM »
My wife does this with her iPod and I just don't get it, because she ends up skipping two out of every three songs.  She has movie soundtracks and pop stuff and... well, actually that's about it, but when a song comes up that she doesn't like or isn't in the mood for, she skips it.  I guess in a way she's still choosing from tunes she likes in the first place, but it seems like more trouble than it's worth.

My solution is the "Mondo Mix".  I don't have a lot of playlists, but I have one with about 1000 tracks (and counting).  My favorite tracks from my favorite albums.  The ones I liked so much that I bought the album in the first place.  The deep tracks that you never hear on the radio but are awesome.  The proggish songs from otherwise pop bands.  Sprinkle in some awesome classical, jazz, comedy, whatever.  I've survived numerous six-hour road trips to Michigan and back without skipping a single track, just shuffling the Mondo Mix.

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Re: Shuffling Your iPod (Try it!)
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2012, 03:45:57 PM »
I never leave it on when I'm not listening.
If I'm in the mood to listen to music I know exactly what I wanna listen to and nothing else, so I can't really listen to random music or do the shuffle thing, except within a single artist or an arranged playlist I created of course. It's very dull cause I only listen to new music once or twice a month.
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Re: Shuffling Your iPod (Try it!)
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2012, 07:38:39 PM »
  A track would come on that would be so quiet it was barely audible, then the next track would be ridiculously loud.  I'd have to keep going back to my player to adjust the volume every few tracks, so eventually I just got over it.

mp3 gain is your friend, I have my whole library mp3 gained, using the album gain feature so I don't lose the dynamic qualities of the album.

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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2012, 07:48:34 PM »
I don't mind going to turn the volume up or down. Better yet is having a remote.
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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2012, 08:42:54 PM »
I can't really do shuffle. Occasionally I'll do it for a couple songs just to see what comes up, but I usually hear a song and want to do the whole album...

In 2010 I listened to every single album I  have though.

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« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2012, 08:49:19 PM »
I tried this once for a while, and just ended up skipping thru stuff I just wasn't in the mood for. I've got a bunch of random playlists I'll go thru with certain themes, or I'll pick a genre and go random there.

For the most part, I just choose a genre I'm in the mood for, and the scroll thru my albums til I find something that floats my boat.
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Re: Shuffling Your iPod (Try it!)
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2012, 09:05:30 PM »
  A track would come on that would be so quiet it was barely audible, then the next track would be ridiculously loud.  I'd have to keep going back to my player to adjust the volume every few tracks, so eventually I just got over it.

mp3 gain is your friend, I have my whole library mp3 gained, using the album gain feature so I don't lose the dynamic qualities of the album.

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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2012, 11:09:07 PM »
The source of the music has almost nothing to do with it.  It's just a fact that older albums are quieter.  They were mastered with a much lower maximum volume.  Most music released in the last ten years is massively compressed and has the gain pushed up so much that even "quiet" passages are loud.

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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2012, 04:10:59 PM »
I have definitely encountered the volume problem!

One of the main reasons I shuffle is because I love Probability and randomness. I am a statistics major, and I really eat this stuff up. There are almost infinitely many possibilities for an order in a shuffle, and hypothetically one could shuffle an ipod, and every song could play in alphabetical order.

What I do is create a list ordered by artists in alphabetical order, and separate artists by album. Then I leave a certain amount of space for the number of songs in that album, because I know each song will play only once, in some random order. When the songs play, I write them down in their corresponding space with the overall number they were played. Once an album or artist is complete I check them off, and eventually I can know exactly what the final song will be before it plays, because it is the only song left on my sheet. I shuffle for this interest, and also for awesome music.
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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2012, 05:20:07 PM »
  A track would come on that would be so quiet it was barely audible, then the next track would be ridiculously loud.  I'd have to keep going back to my player to adjust the volume every few tracks, so eventually I just got over it.

mp3 gain is your friend, I have my whole library mp3 gained, using the album gain feature so I don't lose the dynamic qualities of the album.

https://mp3gain.sourceforge.net/

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All my legitimate online purchases have been mixed way too loud, especially if it's something that's been released with the past 10 years. So much so that if I turn on the EQ for my ipod and listen at full volume it distorts like crazy, no matter what the headphones.

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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2012, 07:06:12 PM »
FYI, the volume problem can be fixed by checking "Sound Check" in iTunes preferences.

It makes consistent the volume of all your songs. Loud and quiet parts work just fine within songs, so no worries. It's just a track by track kinda thing. Not sure about other media players.

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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2012, 06:34:19 AM »
Does that carry over to your ipod?

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« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2012, 03:50:38 PM »
Not exactly. You need to enable Sound Check in your iPod settings as well.
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