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Re: 80s metal/hard rock: Y&T Discography - My Life As a Y&T Fan
« Reply #105 on: June 01, 2016, 09:15:58 AM »
Earthshaker starts a great run. Oh, and I consider 1981 my favorite year in music.
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« Reply #106 on: June 01, 2016, 11:24:19 AM »
Some trivia notes relating to Joey and Leonard, since I mentioned some of their issues in the previous post:  By the time the band was touring with Motley Crue on the Theater of Pain tour, the substance abuse issues had apparently gotten to such a level that Crue's management forbade the Crue guys from hanging out with the Y&T guys because they were seen as a bad influence!  Joey and Leonard still kind of dabbled in music after being dismissed from Y&T, but the extracurricular activities took their toll.  That, combined with Joey's health issues, caused him to hock all his gear and leave music altogether for a long time.  Years later, his good friend and former Y&T roadie, Kelly, sought to track down one of Joey's old trademark LP Juniors, and some of us on the forums decided to help out.  We managed to track down his classic black one and buy it back for him.  Not long after that, he joined the Y&T tribute band I was in and took the stage with us for a couple of Y&T classics.  That was his first time onstage in a LONG time, and it was awesome doing a song with the guy who actually wrote it decades earlier.  Joey would also take the stage as a guest with Y&T again on a few songs on some dates not too long after this.  I have lost touch with him again over the years and am not sure how he is doing, but it was nice to see him back in the saddle again and really enjoying himself.
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« Reply #107 on: June 01, 2016, 12:09:43 PM »
Bosk, I saw that tour in Providence. For some reason, Y&T came on late and only played like 3 songs.
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« Reply #108 on: June 02, 2016, 08:22:52 AM »
I love Ten. Probably my go to Y&T album, probably my favourite and thinking about it, it should have made my top 50. Mean Streak made #23.
As you say, a very consistent album and miles better than Contagious. There's not a poor track on it.

Earthshaker was my first Y&T album, just before I saw them at 84s Monsters of Rock festival at Donington. Loved it, but there are a couple of Bly ok songs in there. The two ballads are awesome. Great guitar playing. It would be up there in my rankings.

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« Reply #109 on: June 02, 2016, 09:36:18 AM »
Wow, top 3 already?  :)  Okay, here we go...

3.  Endangered Species.  In general, the mid-late '90s were not kind to the classic hard rock bands of the '70s and '80s.  Most of those bands had fallen off the map and disbanded.  And those that still tried to make a go of it mostly released albums that just weren't up to snuff.  This album was a rare exception and a breath of fresh air.  It's a shame it went largely unnoticed by the hard rock community. 

One thing marks two of my top-3 picks:  consistency.  This album has it.  No, it doesn't have anything that reaches the heights of Forever or Rescue Me.  But every single track is a solid rocker, with the sole exception of I Wanna Cry.  Overall, the album is grittier than most of theirs as well.  Every single band member is on fire here as well--a fact I did not appreciate until I saw a run of shows they did in support of the album.  In fact, the show at the Keystone in Palo Alto could perhaps be the best Y&T show I have ever seen.  Everybody brought it at a serious level.  Jimmy thundering away behind the kit on Can't Stop the Rain...  Stef shredding a rare solo on Gimme the Beat...  Dave giving one of the most jaw-dropping, rip you open to your soul, guitar solos on Sail On By...  Phil keeping it all together with that thumping bass...  If I could relive any Y&T show in history, it would be that one.  And as I said, it really helped me appreciate an already-appreciated album.

As for the tracks themselves, some of the standouts to me are:
-Hello, Hello:  The bands kicks off the album with a defiant anthem about being back/not going away.  Very fitting given the times.  That main riff is really tasty, and is just one of those signature Meniketti things that is indicative of why he is liked so much as a guitarist.  The soft breakdown at the end is a nice creative touch that makes the song fairly unique.
-Gimme the Beat:  A fun little song with all kinds of wordplay about music and musical terms.  The song has a really nice groove and a cool Stef Burns solo. 
-God Only Knows:  The kind of emotional ballad that Y&T always did especially well.  Seems like almost every album, they had that one signature ballad that cut you to your core.  This would be that song...if not overshadowed by the other ballad on the album...
-Sail On By:  Man, oh man, oh man!  I know I said Winds of Change is my favorite Y&T ballad.  But if that is #1, this song is 1A.  It is right up there.  Dave's solo and all the little guitar flourishes throughout add so much depth.  This is one of the few songs from the '90s that often consistently still shows up as a fan request, and for good reason.
-Can't Stop the Rain:  What sucks about this song is that Jimmy's drums sound flat on the studio version, which takes away a lot of the power this song otherwise might have.  Glad I saw it live, because that made it one of my favorites.  Great frantic energy on this one. 
-Rocco:  I can't say this is one of my favorite tracks.  But it is perhaps the most creative thing to have the "Y&T" name attached to it.  Fun, experimental little instrumental.
The major problem with this album is the somewhat flat production.  Otherwise, it is top notch.  After being burned out in the early '90s, Dave and the guys sounded hungry again, and full of quality ideas.  So glad they soldiered on and put this album together.
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« Reply #110 on: June 02, 2016, 09:41:38 AM »
Another one I've heard but don't remember a thing about. Strange to find it so high so I'll have to go back to it.

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« Reply #111 on: June 02, 2016, 09:59:59 AM »
I never checked out Endangered Species properly  :blush
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« Reply #112 on: June 02, 2016, 10:11:09 AM »
Not to derail the thread or anything, but I've got a pretty neat promo copy of Ten with an alternate cover. It's got the logo and the number 10 printed directly on the jewel case and then an insert that's just an extreme closeup of the final album cover. I only know of a couple other albums that had something printed directly on the jewel case, and this is the only one I actually have. I like little things like that, and I would even say I like the promo cover better than the final cover.

As for Y&T, I guess I qualify as a casual fan, even though I really like a lot of their stuff, I just haven't gotten around to getting a lot of it. I actually had a chance to see them back in 2010 (it would have been my first concert too) but they canceled because Phil Kennemore wasn't feeling well. Of course, he had cancer and ended up dying just a few months later. :'(

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Re: 80s metal/hard rock: Y&T Discography - My Life As a Y&T Fan
« Reply #113 on: June 02, 2016, 10:28:06 AM »
Not to derail the thread or anything, but I've got a pretty neat promo copy of Ten with an alternate cover. It's got the logo and the number 10 printed directly on the jewel case and then an insert that's just an extreme closeup of the final album cover. I only know of a couple other albums that had something printed directly on the jewel case, and this is the only one I actually have. I like little things like that, and I would even say I like the promo cover better than the final cover.

Yes, I have that one as well.  Like you, I prefer it to the original cover.
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« Reply #115 on: June 04, 2016, 04:56:03 PM »
I never checked out Endangered Species properly  :blush


Neither have I

Actually I really haven't heard much material from Y&T after the Ten album

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« Reply #116 on: June 06, 2016, 10:18:42 AM »
Well then...

2.  In Rock We Trust.  It is rare for a band to finally "break through" and have commercial success on the release of their 6th album.  But there is so much about Y&T that defies conventional wisdom.  This album followed Mean Streak and saw the band really make their first conscious shift toward a bit of a more accessible commercial sound.  But the sound did not change drastically (and wouldn't until the following album, Down for the Count), and most fans did not seem to mind.  As I mentioned above in another post, perhaps the biggest change in sound at this stage of the band's career was in Dave Meniketti's singing.  To me, this was the album where Dave truly embraced, as he described, his role as a lead vocalist and frontman rather than a lead guitarist who also happened to sing.  And, to me, that change took the band's overall sound up a huge step. 

Don't Stop Running was the big single from the band on this album.  Here is the live version from Live At the San Francisco Civic, which I present rather than the official music video simply to avoid '80s cheese overload:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os6q12xDHX4  I never really thought the second single, Lipstick and Leather, was all that great, but it has always been a fan favorite.  But this album had a true hit single, something the band had not had up to this point, and it really helped boost them into the limelight a bit more.  But if anyone saw the American Bandstand appearance where the band "played" the song and then was interviewed by Dick Clark, it is hard not to pick up on the general undercurrent of the band feeling a bit bitter about the fact that, not counting the first two "Yesterday and Today" albums, they had released three albums of incredibly strong material that was largely ignored by the metal community as a whole, and were only now getting noticed when going in a bit more of a commercial direction.  But enough about that.  This album really has a lot going for it.  It is much more solid from start to finish than a lot of their albums (and a lot of hard rock albums from this time period in general).  The deep cuts on this album are some of my favorites.  Songs like Life, Life, Life and Masters And Slaves are easily as strong as some of the band's classics.  And songs like I'll Keep On Believin', Break Out Tonight, She's A Liar, and This Time aren't far behind either.  Some days, I might even put this album as my #1 because it is so strong and consistent.  But the #1 Y&T album is the #1 for a reason.

I do also have to add that, aside from the quality of this album, it also gets big nostalgia points because this was the first Y&T album I was exposed to.  I mentioned above that, as a result of the "mix tape" fad, my friend Alex got this album to fill the Y&T void in our joint music collection, and we both listened to the album quite a bit.  After watching that S.F. Civil show, I borrowed this tape from Alex, made my own copy, and listened to it nonstop before eventually buying my own.  And as kids do at that age when life is all about loving our music and hanging out with our friends, I memorized every note and every little nuance and had the time to discover what am amazing album this is.  IMO, when it comes to '80s hard rock, this is as good as it gets.

     Interlude:  BBC in Concert: Live on the Friday Rock Show..  This is an obscure live release that features two earlier live performances of the band:  One from the Black Tiger tour, and another from their 1984 Donnington appearance after the release of In Rock We Trust.  The two separate shows are the reason that Rescue Me shows up twice.  This is a fun collection that features live versions of songs that you could not previously get anywhere else, like Hungry For Rock, Rock ‘n Roll’s Gonna Save The World, and Masters and Slaves.  But to me, this is a set that is for the completest or the hard core fan, and not something I would recommend for the casual Y&T fan.  Whereas Open Fire and Yesterday & Today Live sound polished and really capture the live essence of the band, these two shows are more raw, it is more the typical "sloppy but fun" live performance that one would expect from a live rock show in general, and the sound quality is not great.  This was not meant to be a high budget production at all, but just something for the fans (or for the label that had the rights to these two shows to cash in--not sure which).  In fact, the original version somehow had a photo of the 1998 lineup of the band with Jimmy DeGrasso and Stef Burns as the cover art, rather than the classic lineup of Dave, Phil, Joey, and Leonard that actually plays those shows.  But the low budget for this product notwithstanding, it is nice to add to the collection--especially for those rare live tracks as I mentioned above.  For what it is, this isn't bad at all. 
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Re: 80s metal/hard rock: Y&T Discography - My Life As a Y&T Fan
« Reply #117 on: June 06, 2016, 03:10:28 PM »
I thought IRWT was a definite step down from Mean Streak. And obviously the Rock robot was a  :facepalm:

This was an album that while I didn't hate it, it told me that this band was at a crossroads. It put me on notice that what could come next may not be very good. I would've been happy to ride Y&T throughout the 80's but when this came out, it was really fighting Iron Maiden, Dio, and Metallica for my attention, and it just wasn't a strong enough pull.
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« Reply #118 on: June 06, 2016, 03:44:35 PM »
It's a really good album but wouldn't rate as high for me - just below top tier. It was the start of the more commercial, hair metal style which I didn't immediately appreciate. I had a big downer on it at the time, following the awesome mean streak, and the album we haven't talked much about yet...
Now I can listen to it without the teenage rebellion against one of my bands "selling out", and I enjoy it as a very good album.

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« Reply #119 on: June 06, 2016, 04:00:23 PM »
It's a really good album but wouldn't rate as high for me - just below top tier. It was the start of the more commercial, hair metal style which I didn't immediately appreciate. I had a big downer on it at the time, following the awesome mean streak, and the album we haven't talked much about yet...
Now I can listen to it without the teenage rebellion against one of my bands "selling out", and I enjoy it as a very good album.

Yeah, that's how I feel about it. I agree.
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« Reply #120 on: June 07, 2016, 08:35:25 AM »
I completely get that.  The timing of when I got into the band completely took that off the table for me.  But I do also have to say that, in their home of the Bay Area, it wasn't really an issue among the long-time fans like you might think it might have been.  It wasn't until DFTC that the local fans started to noticeably take umbrage at the band's direction.
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« Reply #121 on: June 07, 2016, 11:04:33 AM »
I completely get that.  The timing of when I got into the band completely took that off the table for me.  But I do also have to say that, in their home of the Bay Area, it wasn't really an issue among the long-time fans like you might think it might have been.  It wasn't until DFTC that the local fans started to noticeably take umbrage at the band's direction.

I'd be more likely to play DFTC out of the two, but both are xcellent. I must have been over the sellout phase by the time DFTC came out as I liked it from the off. The back cover though, not so much  :biggrin:

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« Reply #122 on: June 07, 2016, 11:28:30 AM »
The back cover though, not so much  :biggrin:

Yeah, just...yeah...
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« Reply #123 on: June 07, 2016, 11:29:27 AM »
Anyhow, I guess that's about it.  I have now reviewed every Y&T album worth reviewing, so...
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« Reply #124 on: June 07, 2016, 12:28:33 PM »
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« Reply #125 on: June 07, 2016, 02:25:33 PM »
I completely get that.  The timing of when I got into the band completely took that off the table for me.  But I do also have to say that, in their home of the Bay Area, it wasn't really an issue among the long-time fans like you might think it might have been.  It wasn't until DFTC that the local fans started to noticeably take umbrage at the band's direction.

Well, IRWT is still OK enough. It just raised a red flag, kind of what Empire did with QR.
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« Reply #126 on: June 07, 2016, 02:29:20 PM »
It just raised a red flag, kind of what Empire did with QR.

People on music forums say the silliest things sometimes.
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« Reply #127 on: June 09, 2016, 09:16:53 AM »
Anyhow, I guess that's about it.  I have now reviewed every Y&T album worth reviewing, so...
I was joking about this and expected to be called out on it, but I guess people lost interest.  :lol  But I shall finish.

1.  Black Tiger.  No real controversy here, right?  This is not only an indisputable Y&T classic, but is a hard rock classic in every sense of the word.  Throughout hard rock, peers of the band, including heavyweights like Ronnie Dio and Rob Halford sat up and took notice and have given this album heavy praise.  That alone speaks volumes.  So let me get a bit unconventional and start off by saying that, to me, this is a flawed album. 

First off, the ratio of really good songs to "filler" is not quite up to par with the consistency they would show on some other albums.  This album is relatively short, with only 8 full-length songs plus an instrumental intro track.  Of those 8, I would say 5 are "classics," with the other 3 being filler that I would never pull out the album to listen to.  So 5 strong, solid tracks plus a cool instrumental intro.  Second, Dave's vocals are not in a place where I felt he was really shining as a singer yet, and the album's production kind of highlights that, to me.  He shows some definite range and some cool technique.  But his voice also sounds thin and has way too much warbly vibrato that at times takes away from his power.  Not that the vocals are bad--they aren't.  But Dave just hadn't quite found his style yet.  Two more albums, and he would really make leaps and bounds as a lead vocalist. 

With those shortcomings out of the way, let's move on to this album's strengths.  Those five tracks I mentioned above are some of the best the band has ever written.  In fact, let's dial that praise up a notch and say that they are some of the best hard rock songs any hard rock band has ever written.  These are some of the signature songs that lifted this band above many of their peers and were drawing praise from all over the hard rock world.  And Dave's guitar playing on this album is jaw dropping.  To get into some specifics, I want to do something I have not really done and go track by track on this one.

-From the Moon:  This is the instrumental intro.  This is a VERY cool track.  It is heavy, yet melodic, and it really does a fine job of setting the mood for the album right from the get-go.  It has a certain energy to it that really primes the listener for what is about to follow--so much so that the band used it as their intro for not only the tour supporting this album, but for the next two album/tour cycles as well, and even to this day revisits it from time to time.  The descending "Phantom of the Opera"-like background chords on the repeat are a really cool, subtle touch.  But there is so much going on in what sounds like such a simple guitar-driving instrumental.  This melody is also repeated later in the album as the intro to the album's centerpiece, Forever.

-Open Fire:  This is how all rock albums should open.  Immediately after having the mood set up by From the Moon, we get a short, crisp drum fill, and then--BOOM!  Right into the fast, blistering riff that opens this song.  This is a fast-paced rocker that serves as not only a great album opener, but also a great concert opener as well.  It always gets a great crowd reaction.  When I ran cross-country in high school, I used to play this song in my head for that extra adrenaline boost to kick it in for the last half mile or so.  It is that type of song.

-Don't Wanna Lose:  A lot of people really like this song.  I am not one of them.  I don't actively dislike it, but to me, it is just sort of there.  It has some good things going for it, but the melody just feels really sappy to me, and that makes it feel out of place on this album of otherwise rocking tunes.  And it isn't just that it is one of the "softer" songs (although it is clearly NOT a ballad).  The rest of the album just seems to have a certain "attitude," and this song doesn't have that.  Still not a bad song, however.

-Hell Or High Water:  Speaking of "attitude," this song just has it in spades.  The riff on this one is one of my favorites.  And the solo is SO expressive and creative.  From start to finish, this song really shows off Dave's guitar skills in some very unique ways.  And just...the attitude!  I know that is a very vague way to describe a song.  But you know how there are just some songs out there about when you are in a bad relationship and finally get fed up with the other person's nonsense and decide there will be a reckoning that ends with completely telling the person off?  And when those songs are done well and really capture that mood, they can somehow translate into awesomeness that is hard to describe?  This is that song. 

-Forever:  If there is such a thing as the "quintessential" Y&T song, this is it.  Rob Halford described this song as the ultimate hard rock anthem.  I cannot disagree.  The song starts with an intro that reprises From the Moon.  After lingering on the last note of that intro, the song starts in earnest with a single guitar riffing away, and then builds with the riff gradually opening and the addition of the other instruments.  The chorus of the song is what arena anthems are made of.  And the solos...  Yeah, this is Dave at his best.  But it is not only the playing that is noteworthy.  The solos are just so well written and thought out.  The main solo, for example, has a long, slow build that could be dissected and studied in textbooks on how to build the most awesome guitar solos ever.  And the way it ends and the song pauses ever so briefly before dropping back into the bridge is glorious.  But the song isn't even done yet.  Back to the chorus, with repeats.  And there is some really cool guitar orchestration going on in the background that gives the chorus an awesome buildup and tension during the repeat leading up to the final, epic, drawn-out "foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!" before the song again reprises the From the Moon melody and then the big rock ending that just leaves the listener speechless and sitting there in silence for a few seconds until either the needle runs off the record or the cassette player clicks "off," jolting the listener back to reality and reminding him or her that side 1 has just ended and there is still another entire side of the album to listen to.  The album is very much like a theater production in that the end of side 1 builds to a huge climax that is perfect for the brief intermission of flipping the record/cassette over to side 2.  The energy and pacing of the entire album is very much like that in many respects, despite that this is not a concept or theme album that is consciously trying to emulate that structure.

-Black Tiger:  Great way to start off side 2 of the album.  That long intro with the jungle sounds and muted, building riff, slowly adding in the increasing intensity with the drums, draws the listener in until that awesome main riff explodes with a boom, much like how Open Fire begins the album.  This song features another really cool signature riff that helped define the band's unique sound.  Really awesome guitar solo as well, featuring the first time Dave would blow minds with his signature pickup switch technique.

-Barroom Boogie:  A fun little jaunt about...well, escapades at the local bar and the after-effects of the morning after, kinda similar to Gimme Three Steps.  Despite the rather sophomoric subject matter and lyrics, the guitar riffing and cool walking bassline make the song a lot cooler than it should be and help it musically fit the mood of the album.  Not a favorite of mine, but subject matter aside, there are some cool things going on with this one.

-My Way or the Highway:  Some neat melodies and guitar work.  But overall, I am not a fan.

-Winds of Change:  This is the perfect finisher for the album.  It is...not really a "ballad," but is kind of a softer anthem.  The song clocks in at 6:20 and uses that time well to establish some nice build-ups and releases.  On the vocal side, there are some deep, introspective lyrics that are a welcome change from the previous two songs, and a smooth vocal delivery from Dave.  The chord progression and the way the notes are picked during the intro and verses are pretty unique and fun to play.  And the overall buildup of the song from start to finish, with that awesome long guitar solo at the centerpiece makes this one of my all-time favorite songs.  I cannot praise this song enough.  I remember reading an article a LONG time ago where someone was describing Meniketti's playing and saying something along the lines of, "his solos have the ability to rip you open, touch your very soul, and then stitch you back up again and leave you begging for more."  This is one of those solos were I say, "Yeah, I know exactly what the person who wrote that means." 

Overall, I cannot say enough about this album.  The "flaws" I mention above tempted me to rank this album at #2 behind the more consistent In Rock We Trust.  But the "classic" status of this album and the quality of its 5 best songs simply cannot be denied.  Every classic hard rock fan REALLY needs to have this album in his or her collection.  There is no excuse not to. 


*trivia:  When Y&T was touring with AC/DC in support of this album, Ozzy came backstage after one of the shows, got down on his knees, and said, "David, would you please join my band?"  Dave was incredibly flattered, but politely declined because, as he has put it, he really wanted to be in a band where he had a say in the band's direction and creative output rather then being more or less a hired gun, even if the hired gun position might make him a superstar.
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Re: 80s metal/hard rock: Y&T Discography - #1 album reviewed
« Reply #128 on: June 09, 2016, 09:23:20 AM »
Great number 1

Awesome job with this thread!!

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« Reply #129 on: June 09, 2016, 09:33:36 AM »
Awesome job with this thread!!

Thanks.  I feel I was uniquely qualified to add in a lot of personal touches and inside stories that would make it interesting.  Hopefully, that worked.
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« Reply #130 on: June 09, 2016, 05:55:58 PM »
As expected Bosk and a great album for sure. Fun thread!

I will say that if I could only listen to one Y&T album for the rest of my life, it would be Mean Streak, but make it two, and add Black Tiger.

I really wish this band had a better fate. It's hard to think that from Black Tiger, the crap that is DFTC would be just three short albums away.
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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« Reply #131 on: June 10, 2016, 01:31:47 AM »
A great album for sure and I'm not arguing with it being number 1.

Top tier for me would be

Black tiger
Mean Streak
Ten

Then

Down for the count
In rock we trust
Earthshaker

Everything else (though after contagious I haven't given the other albums much of a go as yet.

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« Reply #132 on: June 10, 2016, 08:49:18 AM »
Everything else (though after contagious I haven't given the other albums much of a go as yet.

Seriously, I would try to get around to checking out Musically Incorrect and Endangered Species.  I wouldn't bother with the others (other than the Yesterday & Today Live and/or Live At the Mystic, if you don't have either of them) unless you suddenly feel the urge to be a Y&T completist.  There is actually a 2-disk bundle that will save you a bit if you want to get them both:  https://www.amazon.com/Incorrect-Species-Y-t/dp/B0018BA6ZE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1465569791&sr=8-1&keywords=incorrect+species

Based on your tastes, I would think that you would like Endangered Species.  I doubt it would crack your top tier (although, given your inclusion of Ten, it just might).  But I would think it would sit solidly in that next tier.

Musically Incorrect is so different that it is hard to say where you might actually rank it.  But I think you would appreciate the creativity and experimentation.  I know a lot of '80s bands were experimenting with different things during this time period.  Most of it didn't work.  In terms of being an album where one might say, "Oh, wow!  The band is blazing new trails and has resurrected themselves with a brand new direction that will redefine them as a band!" this isn't that.  But realistically, how many bands have ever really done that anyway?  What I do think is a likely (and fair) reaction is something along the lines of, "Wow, this is really different for these guys.  I can't say I would like it if this permanently became their thing, but as a one-off, this is a nice addition to their catalog."
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« Reply #133 on: June 10, 2016, 02:05:41 PM »
Everything else (though after contagious I haven't given the other albums much of a go as yet.

Seriously, I would try to get around to checking out Musically Incorrect and Endangered Species.  I wouldn't bother with the others (other than the Yesterday & Today Live and/or Live At the Mystic, if you don't have either of them) unless you suddenly feel the urge to be a Y&T completist.  There is actually a 2-disk bundle that will save you a bit if you want to get them both:  https://www.amazon.com/Incorrect-Species-Y-t/dp/B0018BA6ZE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1465569791&sr=8-1&keywords=incorrect+species

Based on your tastes, I would think that you would like Endangered Species.  I doubt it would crack your top tier (although, given your inclusion of Ten, it just might).  But I would think it would sit solidly in that next tier.

Musically Incorrect is so different that it is hard to say where you might actually rank it.  But I think you would appreciate the creativity and experimentation.  I know a lot of '80s bands were experimenting with different things during this time period.  Most of it didn't work.  In terms of being an album where one might say, "Oh, wow!  The band is blazing new trails and has resurrected themselves with a brand new direction that will redefine them as a band!" this isn't that.  But realistically, how many bands have ever really done that anyway?  What I do think is a likely (and fair) reaction is something along the lines of, "Wow, this is really different for these guys.  I can't say I would like it if this permanently became their thing, but as a one-off, this is a nice addition to their catalog."

I do have the live albums and did start to listen to ES the other day whilst washing up. I will give them a go. I do have Dave's solo cds too, which are pretty good. Nearly a completist.