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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Dr. DTVT on January 03, 2010, 10:13:40 PM
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Do you go to bars, only to be annoyed by dance music or whatever crap people decide to play? Well, I took revenge for all of you. I went to a bar with some friends over holiday break, and the bar had one of those internet jukeboxes. For $5, I created the following setlist (songs chosen for their length only):
Octavarium
Learning To Live
In The Name of God
The Glass Prison
The Count of Tuscany
The procession of sluts leaving was legendary, I wish I would have thought to take a video. The great part was that I got to catch up with old friends I haven't seen in 10+ years while enjoying great music, and I didn't have to shout to have a conversation.
The great part is that since DT songs tend to be longer, you get more bang for your buck than most people :biggrin:
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I've never heard of/seen an Internet jukebox before, but that's pretty sick!
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The procession of sluts leaving was legendary, I wish I would have thought to take a video.
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I approve of this wall of metal.
Seriously, internet jukeboxes are a great idea!
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Enjoy the fail that is my local:
If songs like that are put on, the people behind the bar mute the jukebox and put CDs on.
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The guy who does karaoke at the bar I usually go to is a DT fan. Every week he plays at least one song for him and I to enjoy.
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DTVT IS THE MAN
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This is awesome. I wish I had been there. There should be some sort of communal bar where DT fans can go meet every week and just rock out to awesome music. :D
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I once played home at a bar. I forgot how awkward the middle section is.
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:tup well played sir
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I do this occasionally at our Thursday Happy Hour place. I've routinely played their cover of Love Lies Bleeding, but have been known to play Under a Glass Moon and Metropolis as well.
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Flawless victory :metal
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The procession of sluts leaving was legendary
Something tells me you're doing this whole "bar" thing wrong.
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My SU bar used to have Wither and Hollow Years on the jukebox. I was dead impressed. Used to mix it with a bit of Muse and APC for a good twenty minutes of music.
Then they changed it to a shitty one which only has R&B and epileptic visuals of girls shooting each other. Apparently it was a better deal. Gutted. :(
They also got smaller pool tables. Booo!
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They also got smaller pool tables.
I thought they were standard size?
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Do you go to bars, only to be annoyed by dance music or whatever crap people decide to play? Well, I took revenge for all of you. I went to a bar with some friends over holiday break, and the bar had one of those internet jukeboxes. For $5, I created the following setlist (songs chosen for their length only):
Octavarium
Learning To Live
In The Name of God
The Glass Prison
The Count of Tuscany
The procession of sluts leaving was legendary, I wish I would have thought to take a video. The great part was that I got to catch up with old friends I haven't seen in 10+ years while enjoying great music, and I didn't have to shout to have a conversation.
The great part is that since DT songs tend to be longer, you get more bang for your buck than most people :biggrin:
ive done this as well, thankfully it was at a bar that people mainly listened to rock at, and they didnt shut off the jukebox. i went to a local show at a bar here and was amazed to hear 6:00 being played between bands tearing down and setting up.
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They also got smaller pool tables.
I thought they were standard size?
Not these ones. Tiny little buggers.
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You wanted to chase away the sluts? :lol
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Excellent.
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this and you have just won 20,000 internets!!!
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The procession of sluts leaving was legendary
Something tells me you're doing this whole "bar" thing wrong.
Jeeze, thank you. Even as someone who doesn't like bar sluts, I mean, let's consider this for a moment.
I like to request music, but I like to be sure it's appropriate for the atmosphere. Fortunately, that means I can get some Rush and Metallica in there, but I've never felt the need to request something flat out ridiculous like Master of Puppets. Why? Because then I'm that guy who's just killing the atmosphere. Why are you proud of bring that guy???
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that's a pretty cool idea.
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Justice!! Well done :P
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You wanted to chase away the sluts? :lol
I was sort of thinking the same thing. Sure those girls aren't my type at all, but at least a good amount of them are pretty to look at (please do not kill me awesome female members of DTF). Whenever I try to sneak some prog in, I try and make sure its something softer (like Hollow Years or Wither), a song everyone seems to know (A Favor House Atlantic, Roundabout, Tom Sawyer), or awesome and commercially accessible, even if its little-known (Kayleigh, Trains), that way everybody sorta wins. Putting on ludicrously long songs just seems very snobbish and to lots of people there, you are now a dick in their minds for ruining their nice time, even though they probably just went to the other bar across the street and got smashed while you seemed to have a nice time.
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I've never heard of/seen an Internet jukebox before, but that's pretty sick!
Need to get out more.
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Dick move.
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Tbf, if those bars are anything like the bars I go to - and I'd assume they are, given that they have a jukebox - everyone just puts on their own stuff anyway. That's kind of the whole point. It'll go from Toploader to Pantera to Tupac to Alice Cooper to Slayer in the blink of an eye, there is no unified atmosphere. People might sing along if they're drunk enough when a song they know (or requested!) comes on, and then resume drinking and enjoying their time.
Heck, what's wrong with Dream Theater anyway? Put on the Residents if you want to clear the room, but DT play pretty palatable rock music for the most part. I very much doubt that the string of girls leaving had anything to do with the music that was on. Sure, Octavarium's a bit slow for eight minutes or so, but if you put on A Change of Seasons I doubt anyone's gonna be listening intently enough to realise that it's been the same song playing for the last twenty minutes. They're just going to hear "some rock song that they don't know" five times over - wow, you've sure ruined their pub atmosphere!
Seriously it's not like he put on some kind of avant-garde drone symphony. He felt like a bit of DT so he put it on. Bit abusive inasmuch as he got an hour's worth of music for the same price as what would usually constitute about 20 minutes' worth, but other than that I don't get why everyone's being so dicky about it. It's a bit of a laugh and he put some rockin' songs on. Fair play I say.
I mean don't get me wrong, the "URRRR get rid of the HATEFUL SINFUL PEEPLES" attitude to social interaction is completely baffling and a little bit Gollum if he's being serious (which I very much doubt), but it's not like he set off a chemical weapon. Give the guy a break.
I'm aware that that was inordinately long, but then I'm an inordinately long kinda guy. If you catch my drift.
...ladies? :hat
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One of the bars in Stornoway has Hocus Pocus by Focus on the jukebox :metal
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If some asshole can play that reggaeton crap for an hour that has the same beat in ever song, I don't see what's wrong with this.
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The procession of sluts leaving was legendary
Something tells me you're doing this whole "bar" thing wrong.
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I mean, don't get me wrong, I love internet jukeboxes and I very often use them to play less known songs or more obscure bands or whatever, but generally I try to at least pick out stuff that other people wouldn't mind listening to. I think it gets pretty obnoxious when people put on stuff that clearly does not fit in with the bar setting. I mean, if I wanna listen to that, I can just go home and do it myself.
But then again, I did once find an internet jukebox that had everything from "Score" available on it, and I couldn't resist playing Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, since the entire song was on there as a single track :). But generally speaking I do try to steer clear of being "that guy".
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Awesome :lol
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Do you go to bars, only to be annoyed by dance music or whatever crap people decide to play? Well, I took revenge for all of you. I went to a bar with some friends over holiday break, and the bar had one of those internet jukeboxes. For $5, I created the following setlist (songs chosen for their length only):
Octavarium
Learning To Live
In The Name of God
The Glass Prison
The Count of Tuscany
The procession of sluts leaving was legendary, I wish I would have thought to take a video. The great part was that I got to catch up with old friends I haven't seen in 10+ years while enjoying great music, and I didn't have to shout to have a conversation.
The great part is that since DT songs tend to be longer, you get more bang for your buck than most people :biggrin:
You are godly. Last time I played songs on an internet jukebox they skipped it... [Rule 5'ed].
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I know you've only been here for 3 months, but I think that should be a sufficient amount of time to read the rules at least once.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=7.0
No posts that use slang terms for any race, sexual preference, or religious background.
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To all the people wondering why he chased the girls away:
I went to a bar with some friends over holiday break
I inferred from this that he had no interest in 'sluts', and that he just wanted to have a good time with his friends, which is hard to do whilst listening to Trance music
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To all the people wondering why he chased the girls away:
I went to a bar with some friends over holiday break
I inferred from this that he had no interest in 'sluts', and that he just wanted to have a good time with his friends, which is hard to do whilst listening to Trance music
Well, yeah, but I mean... unless you're completely unfamiliar with the local bar scene, wouldn't the easier and more practical solution just be to go to a more low-key bar where people don't play annoying music on the jukebox?
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Maybe it's the only bar in the immediate area?
I don't know. But I agree with his decision
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To all the people wondering why he chased the girls away:
I went to a bar with some friends over holiday break
I inferred from this that he had no interest in 'sluts', and that he just wanted to have a good time with his friends, which is hard to do whilst listening to Trance music
What bars play Trance music?
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I don't know. I'm not yet 21, so I can't say
Either way, I imagine it's all just terrible pop music anyway
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I don't know. I'm not yet 21, so I can't say
Then what are you talking about? Sorry, I'm just not getting you right now.
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Either way, I imagine it's all just terrible pop music anyway
Most bars I go to play decent music. There's a pretty big difference between "bars" and "clubs" (I think anywhere that you hear Trance music is probably more of a club). And in my experience the purpose of music at a bar is more just for atmosphere and mood, rather than for actually sitting there and listening to music that's gonna blow you away. I think that generally speaking, prog and bars usually just don't mix well.
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And prog nerds wonder why they never get any. :lol
Yeah, that was a bit of a dick move. It annoys people, and saying it's revenge is just being as bad as they are. Just don't let the pop music bug you, simple as that. Listen to music for less money at home or at gigs. If it's too loud, ask them to turn it down a touch or move further away from the speakers. Think of how much money the bar looses each time someone does something like this, both at the bar and on the jukebox.
It's not a competition, learn to co-exist with people you might not particularly agree with.
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And prog nerds wonder why they never get any. :lol
Yeah, that was a bit of a dick move. It annoys people, and saying it's revenge is just being as bad as they are. Just don't let the pop music bug you, simple as that. Listen to music for less money at home or at gigs. If it's too loud, ask them to turn it down a touch or move further away from the speakers. Think of how much money the bar looses each time someone does something like this, both at the bar and on the jukebox.
It's not a competition, learn to co-exist with people you might not particularly agree with.
There's no competition in choosing music you like on a public jukebox. 'Sonly what everyone else does. It's kind of the entire point.
If they wanted to establish a particular atmosphere they wouldn't have it there. Besides, I don't know what bars you guys are going to where the patrons get so uppity about the choice of music that they leave. Most people are like, you know, talking, drinking, catching up, having fun, enjoying themselves?
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If they wanted to establish a particular atmosphere they wouldn't have it there.
I don't think that's necessarily true. I think generally I equate jukeboxes with more low-key/relaxed bars where people just want to hang out. And I think that most people who've been to a bar before can pretty easily get a sense of what type of music is "bar music" and what type of music isn't. Plus, they usually have control over the jukebox anyway, so if some song comes on that they don't want playing in their bar, they can just skip over it. I've seen that happen plenty of times.
Besides, I don't know what bars you guys are going to where the patrons get so uppity about the choice of music that they leave. Most people are like, you know, talking, drinking, catching up, having fun, enjoying themselves?
This is a pretty good point, which is kind of one of the things that makes this whole concept pretty silly. I think that generally speaking, when people put on more obscure music or whatever, most of the other people in the bar just ignore it. Its not like putting prog on the jukebox is some brilliantly creative way of sabotaging of the bar or of getting back at the other people there for playing crappy music. Chances are, if you put some ridiculously long prog song on the bar jukebox, while you're sitting in the corner congratulating yourself and thinking "hehehe I'm so awesome I got a 23 minutes song for $1.00!"... everybody else at the bar is just completely ignoring your music and using the time to interact with other live humans.
I think more generally my approach is just to realize that the whole purpose of going to drink at a bar is to be in a social situation and to hang out/talk with other people, so I usually try to keep that in mind and go with music that other people there actually might enjoy as well. If I just wanted to drink and listen to good music, I could do that at home. That's much cheaper and easier.
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i played rite of passage a couple weeks ago. It was right after someone put some slow phil collins song. So everyone was at this irish bar was like: "FIRST PHIL COLLINS THAN THIS SHIT, TURN THAT THING OFF"
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You wanted to chase away the sluts? :lol
And prog nerds wonder why they never get any. :lol
Yeah, that was a bit of a dick move.
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Would have been better had you just played the 12 Step Saga.
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One of the bars in Stornoway has Hocus Pocus by Focus on the jukebox :metal
They have bars in Stornoway? :omg:
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One of the bars in Stornoway has Hocus Pocus by Focus on the jukebox :metal
They have electricity in Stornoway? :omg:
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It would be interesting to hear DT in a bar or club, to say the least.
Here in Halifax, it's either typical club music, or live bands. To be fair, most of the live bands are pretty good, usually playing a mix of classic pop/rock songs, and traditional Irish songs.
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To defend myself:
1) I was out of town (well, for me. It was the town I grew up in), and was sleeping on my mom's living room floor, so it's not like I was going to bring someone home.
2) I was basically dragged their by my friends. I would have preferred to go to the liquor store, got some rum and beer, and hung out at their place. I have no idea why they wanted to go to the bar.
3) In the end, it made the night more enjoyable because there were a few people at the bar I went to high school with that I hadn't seen in ages, and I was able to actually have a conversation with them without having to yell, so I wasn't really interested in eye-candy that night.
4) I'm an asshole and don't really care about people I don't know. I caused them no phyisical, psychological, or emotional harm; therefore I did nothing wrong.
5) The songs were available, and the queue wasn't that long.
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To defend myself:
I don't like chicks, but I had a five and some Dream Theater, so what the fuck.
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I've played Pull Me Under at a bar before. No one seems to care, then again it's not 23 minutes long. ;)
I knew a guy who would always put A Change of Seasons on the jukebox at the bar all the time. Not because he was an asshole, but because he just really liked the song.
Tbf, if those bars are anything like the bars I go to - and I'd assume they are, given that they have a jukebox - everyone just puts on their own stuff anyway. That's kind of the whole point.
This.
I went to a bar in Chicago once and someone was playing nothing but Sinatra and Elvis for a friggen hour. I hijacked that shit and put on some Queen, Journey, Foreigner, Bad Company, Queensryche, GnR, and uhhhh some Misfits.
The other patrons actually started commenting on how good the music was afterwards. ;)
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Aha, I like you! You get me. You're my new best friend. Even if your name IS ridiculously long.
But yeah, I don't really get this "1950s housewife" mentality where we probably shouldn't put on anything except Lady Gaga cuz its well their favrit lyk innit. "Well, it's my money but you know I think I'm just going to put on what he likes so he won't beat me." It's kinda like seeing the general public as separate to you, which is at its foundation very prog-nerdy - "Ooh mustn't offend the general public. Let's just put on the nice 50 Cent man, public types like him don't they? Please accept me."
Most people in the bar aren't gonna recognise 25% of the songs in that bar anyway - that's half the fun! Dream Theater aren't this bizarre, unpalatable band that are going to make the clientelle burn their membership cards - their eyes actually glowing red - gather their belongings, and move to the next state. At worst, one or two of 'em might go "what's this shit?" and then continue with their lives precisely where they left off - and to be fair, it doesn't matter whether it's Dream Theater or La Roux. Someone's gonna hate it. Vive la difference!
As far as victimless crimes go - actually, no. I'm not even going to finish that sentence, because it's not a crime, nor is it a dick move, or even silly. Next time you go to a bar, put on a bit of Dream Theater. It's nothing to be ashamed of. We don't have to hide in the shadows or skulk around in a cave somewhere, drinking nothing but... er... pondwater? You're perfectly at liberty to slot the 50p (or cents or euro-cents or yen or rupees or gold or whatever they are) into the machine and put on some fantastic music that you like. Take a bit of joy in it!
[It] makes this whole concept pretty silly. I think that generally speaking, when people put on more obscure music or whatever, most of the other people in the bar just ignore it. Its not like putting prog on the jukebox is some brilliantly creative way of sabotaging of the bar or of getting back at the other people there for playing crappy music. Chances are, if you put some ridiculously long prog song on the bar jukebox, while you're sitting in the corner congratulating yourself and thinking "hehehe I'm so awesome I got a 23 minutes song for $1.00!"... everybody else at the bar is just completely ignoring your music and using the time to interact with other live humans.
Yeah, I do think it was a very silly concept. If there really was a chain of, er, "sluts" (were they real sluts?) leaving, I've got a hunch they were probably ready to leave anyway, regardless of the music.
Right, that's all from me. I'm off now to have some fun at a bar, DT style.
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One of the bars in Stornoway has Hocus Pocus by Focus on the jukebox :metal
They have bars in Stornoway? :omg:
One of the bars in Stornoway has Hocus Pocus by Focus on the jukebox :metal
They have electricity in Stornoway? :omg:
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I can't believe people are getting all huffy about this. :lol Seriously?
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But yeah, I don't really get this "1950s housewife" mentality where we probably shouldn't put on anything except Lady Gaga cuz its well their favrit lyk innit. "Well, it's my money but you know I think I'm just going to put on what he likes so he won't beat me." It's kinda like seeing the general public as separate to you, which is at its foundation very prog-nerdy - "Ooh mustn't offend the general public. Let's just put on the nice 50 Cent man, public types like him don't they? Please accept me."
Well, there's a difference between not wanting to offend the general public and intentionally going out of your way to annoy people.
I don't think anybody in this thread is saying "you shouldn't play any music that might offend people". The point (at least from my p.o.v.) is just that it seems kind of silly to go out of your way to play music just to annoy people and to "get revenge".
I myself have played DT songs on bar jukeboxes plenty of times before. And I've been at bars where other people have put on DT music. I've actually met other fellow DT fans that way a few times. So I don't think there's anything at all wrong with doing that. I just think its silly to intentionally go out of your way to put on a long series of songs that you know most people won't know or won't like just out of spite.
I think my general approach to jukebox selections is that I just think "if I were throwing a party and had a bunch of friends over, would I put this song on my playlist"?
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Gotta say that one thing that surprises me to not yet see it mentioned is when someone puts on the same song less than an hour from when it last played. For some reason I've only noticed girls doing this and it's always that new "flavor of the week" single. Fucking kills me. I adore dozens of songs but I seldom listen to the same song twice in the same DAY let alone same thirty-minute period.
I've also been screwed outta money by a bartender for violating the sacred "don't play that in my bar" unwritten rule but the worst part was that this was a neighborhood watering hole with a primarily young clientele that was well-stocked with the stoner/metalhead stereotype(even the meat-heady ones were still nice folks) and we all used to end up in conversation when someone-curious as to who had the "good" taste in music-would shout out "(band x) rules!!" or something similar.
Problem was the bimbo behind the bar was mainly into awful top40 dance/rap and she even cut off my entire $5.00 setlist less than twenty seconds into the first song and played dumb about it(not a stretch with her IQ) and refused to refund me. I loved this bar as it was a second home to my friends and me so I tipped a minimum of $2 a beer with ultra-rare exception. After she pulled this shit on me for the third time I decided to take a vacation from tipping her for a solid month. Wonder if she realized that she would cost herself around $100 if she would've still done the same.
The owner knew my crew and me by name and was dick enough to not offer me a red cent or even a draft on the house in light of the continual theft by the bartender so the last time I went there I forgot to pay the tab and upon realizing this was a little embarrassed about it so I was making a dash to the ATM until I remembered the "fuck yourself" treatment the owner and bar wench gave me and others so I said to myself "maybe next time."
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*Story*
Hell, from the sound of it, they ripped you off for enough money anyway to cover the tab.
But yeah, that's a dick move on their part.
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I play in a billiards league every Tuesday, and our home bar has an internet jukebox. On top of our usual selection of music to satisfy all members of the team, a wide variety from country to rap to The Dead(lots of Metallica though, we all agree on that one), I always sneak in a DT song. I have found I shoot best to Voices and The Glass Prison. Especially Voices, when that is playing, I don't miss, at all.
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The procession of sluts leaving was legendary
Something tells me you're doing this whole "bar" thing wrong.
Spoken like an old vetran of the bar scene! ;D I can put up with the dance music if the girls are dancing. But the dance club was never my thing.
This sounds like the line from Spinal Tap, "I can do without the sex & rock n roll if I had the drugs".
" I can do without T & A if I listen to DT".
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For whatever reason, the student bar/lounge at my university happened to have a copy of Awake kicking around, so I popped that in for a while the other night when some buddies and I were playing pool. The manager/my cousin who happened to be in at the time wasn't a big fan, but she dealt with it. And interestingly enough, among the other assorted CDs in the Wardroom is Disc 2 of the G3: Live in Tokyo CD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G3:_Live_in_Tokyo#Disc_2).
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Call me a romantic, but no matter what the situation you always want the chicks to stay in the bar rather than leave.
And when it comes to playing songs on the juke, I find that the following trio works nicely:
Brown Eyed Girl--all girls seem to love this song; gets them in a good mood
Fuck You Like an Animal--nice change of pace; gets the freakier girls going
Let's Get It On--something about Marvin's voice that--well, you know
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Call me a romantic, but no matter what the situation you always want the chicks to stay in the bar rather than leave.
And when it comes to playing songs on the juke, I find that the following trio works nicely:
Brown Eyed Girl--all girls seem to love this song; gets them in a good mood
Fuck You Like an Animal--nice change of pace; gets the freakier girls going
Let's Get It On--something about Marvin's voice that--well, you know
I respect you're right to an opinion but that kind of reasoning is exactly why we're(people with any love for non-top40 music) stuck having to choose between having girls around or getting to enjoy music that actually has some level of originality. I think if everyone stopped catering to these bimbos(vanilla-minded followers*NOT all girls*) then we might one day not have the music in bars/clubs revolve around a setlist of 10-15 songs max at any given time.
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Let me get this straight--you put more importance on listening to the type of music you like than to getting laid?
My friend, there is plenty of non-being-around-chicks time in which you can listen to whatever you want. When in a group of people, such as a bar, some compromise has to be had. Besides, there is nothing wrong with those three songs I listed.
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Well you clearly don't even know the title of one of the songs. But sure, nothing wrong with the songs themselves.
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Let me get this straight--you put more importance on listening to the type of music you like than to getting laid?
My friend, there is plenty of non-being-around-chicks time in which you can listen to whatever you want. When in a group of people, such as a bar, some compromise has to be had. Besides, there is nothing wrong with those three songs I listed.
The chicks I've met in bars have almost exclusively been one-night stands. The keepers I tend to find elsewhere so maybe once you wrap your brain around that distinction you'll see where I'm coming from.
Compromise is cool. My problem is when mainstream pricks/prickettes adversely react to someone playing something they've never heard on MTV and also their tendency to play the same shit repeatedly.
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Is the NIN song title "Inside"? Anyway, I guess it just depends on the situation. There's been plenty of times I've played non-mainstream songs on a juke. If I'm in a bar, it's 95% because I'm trying to meet someone. One more thing--my parents died before I hit 20 and just about all my friends that were married are now divorced--I'm quite fine with one (or two) night stands.
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Is the NIN song title "Inside"? Anyway, I guess it just depends on the situation. There's been plenty of times I've played non-mainstream songs on a juke. If I'm in a bar, it's 95% because I'm trying to meet someone. One more thing--my parents died before I hit 20 and just about all my friends that were married are now divorced--I'm quite fine with one (or two) night stands.
Well that's totally fine. Difference in opinions. I'm an avid beer collector so I've spent a lot of my adult life in bars so I've had the luxury of getting comfortable around the regulars in most cases so when I see a girl at a bar the "omg, a new chick!" factor's almost nonexistent since either I've already met them before or if they're new to me I don't place a premium on them since I know I'll be out in another night or two anyway with new opportunites.
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Is the NIN song title "Inside"? Anyway, I guess it just depends on the situation. There's been plenty of times I've played non-mainstream songs on a juke. If I'm in a bar, it's 95% because I'm trying to meet someone. One more thing--my parents died before I hit 20 and just about all my friends that were married are now divorced--I'm quite fine with one (or two) night stands.
It's 'Closer' ;).
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Let me get this straight--you put more importance on listening to the type of music you like than to getting laid?
My friend, there is plenty of non-being-around-chicks time in which you can listen to whatever you want. When in a group of people, such as a bar, some compromise has to be had. Besides, there is nothing wrong with those three songs I listed.
Guyz, whin I go to da barz, I liek, toally get laid all teh time, lolz!
Seriously, grow the fuck up.
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Let me get this straight--you put more importance on listening to the type of music you like than to getting laid?
My friend, there is plenty of non-being-around-chicks time in which you can listen to whatever you want. When in a group of people, such as a bar, some compromise has to be had. Besides, there is nothing wrong with those three songs I listed.
Guyz, whin I go to da barz, I liek, toally get laid all teh time, lolz!
Seriously, grow the fuck up.
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:lol For some reason I imagined your intentionally-misspelled post being spoken by Jim and Derek(Tim and Eric's newest show on Adult Swim)
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I do this all the time, just finished up at the bar and had the jukebox play "Home" while I was waiting to tab out
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Why would you resurrect this old thread?
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That was an interesting read :lol
I played DT before at bars, usually on the shorter side of the spectrum though.
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Holy thread resurrection, Batman!
I will usually take advantage of the internet-based jukeboxes, but the tone of the now 13yo original post was interesting. Why do it to annoy others, and why on Earth would anyone be proud of clearing "sluts" out of a bar? :lol
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...why on Earth would anyone be proud of clearing "sluts" out of a bar? :lol
I always was, but that was because I knew they were coming back to my place. :hat
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Holy thread resurrection, Batman!
I will usually take advantage of the internet-based jukeboxes, but the tone of the now 13yo original post was interesting. Why do it to annoy others, and why on Earth would anyone be proud of clearing "sluts" out of a bar? :lol
See, that's me: asking why? When I'm in a bar, isn't the point of music to bring everyone together? We were at my local the other night (they have one of those TouchTunes things) and I played an Alice Cooper song and I had three people, including the bartender, come over and ask "did you play Alice?" and it was a good thing. We all sort of had a moment, and it was fun.
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so much for "only" keeping the sexism to the scenes in the hat thread... :\ some people here really hate women a lot and it shows
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so much for "only" keeping the sexism to the scenes in the hat thread... :\ some people here really hate women a lot and it shows
I think I know what you are saying and don't think it flies with the codes of conduct here but I don't think there's much moderation going on these days
Edit: also this thread is really freaking old
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so much for "only" keeping the sexism to the scenes in the hat thread... :\ some people here really hate women a lot and it shows
That's not accurate. For one thing, this thread is more than 10 years old, and social mores have changed a lot even in that seemingly short time.
Furthermore, you can't judge someone's character based on a couple of otherwise innocuous web posts.
Additionally, if you're talking about some of the posts of the last day or two, that are in reference to other posts that are a decade or more old, I can assure you that those posters don't "hate women" and the reason that I can assure you of that is because they've been members here for years and years and years, and I know them, at least as well as you can know anyone online. You've only been here for five minutes, so frankly, you aren't qualified to make public judgements like the ones that you did.
So everyone, please be more aware of how certain language can come across, and also everyone, refrain from making blanket negative statements about people that you don't know.
Also, everyone, if you see a post that you think is a problem or breaks the forum rules, try reporting the post to the mods instead of attempting to save the world on your own. That is not productive.
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There's no "sexism" or "hating women" going on in this thread, so knock off the baseless accusations and baiting.
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The procession of sluts leaving was legendary
Holy incel energy, Batman
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I get that the original topic is like way back from over ten years ago, but let's call a spade a spade. The stuff said in that post, yeah, it's sexist. It's never cool, no matter when it was posted.
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The procession of sluts leaving was legendary
Holy incel energy, Batman
I get that the original topic is like way back from over ten years ago, but let's call a spade a spade. The stuff said in that post, yeah, it's sexist. It's never cool, no matter when it was posted.
These are easy to say without backing it up. What part(s) are incel-energized or sexist to you two?
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if that's a question you need to ask you were probably not paying much attention to the sexual harassment trainings they make you do at most jobs. this really isn't hard, folks.
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why is ruining the night of a bunch of women having fun something to be praised and them liking bars and dance music worthy of calling them "a procession of sluts"...
my daughters don't like the same music or interests i do but i would hope they don't get shamed for it... i understand op didn't actually harass them and just did an embarrassing bit of grandstanding on an internet forum for a progressive metal forum after the fact but still
at least this thread is 13 years old... i hope the op has matured in the interim... but the fact people are defending the action and language used alike makes me unsurprised that i haven't seen many if any women here :sad: you all may think it harmless but it's not especially welcoming... i'm not trying to be an oversensitive cuck but i'm trying to think how my female relatives would feel
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if that's a question you need to ask you were probably not paying much attention to the sexual harassment trainings they make you do at most jobs. this really isn't hard, folks.
Please stop with the ad hominem. If you have a case to make, make it. The "you should know" is what people say when they can't make the argument themselves. Yeah, I said that. This notion that "offensive" should be universal and assumed is nonsense.
Yes, I understand - with the help of my wife, my daughter, and some of the intelligent, erudite women here - the sociology of this, and I understand how some of the comments play at multiple (and insidious) levels. But just using the word "sluts" isn't, in and of itself, "offensive" to everyone as if it was a law. Referencing having sex at a bar - assuming consent and a willful participant on the female side - isn't "offensive" to everyone as if it was a law. For me, anyway (and this is difficult having two daughters), if a woman of sound and sober mind opts to have sex with a male at a bar, that's her perogative and I respect her decision with no judgement and no recrimination. I know it's not always that clean and neat, but sometimes it is.
And if you read anything that was posted here, you'd know that most of those trainings are not only ineffective, but in many cases, counter-productive (https://hbr.org/2020/05/why-sexual-harassment-programs-backfire). From the article: "The programs and procedures that the Supreme Court favored in 1998 amount to little more than managerial snake oil. They are doing more harm than good." So if you're so worried about sexism (and you SHOULD be) I think a quiet thread in one small corner of the inter webs universe is probably not the best bang for our social consciousness buck.
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why is ruining the night of a bunch of women having fun something to be praised and them liking bars and dance music worthy of calling them "a procession of sluts"...
my daughters don't like the same music or interests i do but i would hope they don't get shamed for it... i understand op didn't actually harass them and just did an embarrassing bit of grandstanding on an internet forum for a progressive metal forum after the fact but still
at least this thread is 13 years old... i hope the op has matured in the interim... but the fact people are defending the action and language used alike makes me unsurprised that i haven't seen many if any women here :sad: you all may think it harmless but it's not especially welcoming... i'm not trying to be an oversensitive cuck but i'm trying to think how my female relatives would feel
But that's not what some people (those accusing of "sexism") are saying, and not what others (me, accused of defending sexists) are doing. "Unwelcoming" is one thing; there's a lot "unwelcoming" here to specific people under specific circumstances. One person loves to tell me to "fuck off" when he doesn't like my politics. So be it. It's another thing to be the forum police and try to decide how the rest of us should feel and react to a particular post or line of posts, especially when they are 10 or more years old. We have moderators for that, and they have weighted in - UNEQUIVOCALLY - and made the call. And yet some of you are still insistent that we should all be offended and put out as a matter of course. I'm not at all defending what was written 10 years ago - I wouldn't have written it - but this notion that we should all follow in lock step with you because you are offended is not how some of us feel it should work.
To wit, my daughter is not here - she likes her own music and we've written and talked about that a lot in other threads - but if she was, we would have a conversation about it. She's in London now, at school, but if she was home, I might even bring this up and ask her opinion on it. Perhaps she would have something insightful to say about the topic or the conclusions brought in here. She's a 22 year old adult woman who is far more knowledgeable and aware of the delicacies of social politics than I am, and can decide for herself if she's offended or not. There are plenty of women here who are not afraid to speak their mind and let their views be heard. (A number, by the way, commensurate with what my experience is as an attendee at numerous (thought not as numerous as some) concerts of the bands celebrated in these pages).
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i'm definitely not interested in a political argument. you should probably leave that in the proper forums (i think it's referred to p/r here but i also know you need to ask for permission so maybe you need to do that). but this isn't political. it's wrong to treat someone or a group of people with offensive language. again, it's very simple, and pretending this is a complex issue is merely purposely looking to muddy it so you (rhetorical you, not you specifically) can act under its cover
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i'm definitely not interested in a political argument. you should probably leave that in the proper forums (i think it's referred to p/r here but i also know you need to ask for permission so maybe you need to do that). but this isn't political. it's wrong to treat someone or a group of people with offensive language. again, it's very simple, and pretending this is a complex issue is merely purposely looking to muddy it so you (rhetorical you, not you specifically) can act under its cover
Of course it's wrong, at least for me. But it's just not up to you (or me) to decide what that line is for everyone else. It actually can be complex, when you're dealing with other people's feelings.
But look at your post: you're telling me where to post. You're telling me whether this is a political argument or not (it most certainly does have a political component). You're telling me what I should view as "right" or "wrong". You're telling me how I should view this as simple, not complex. You're telling me that I'm acting purposefully. You're telling me I'm muddying the waters for specific intent. You're telling me I'm purposefully looking to act in a certain way. YOU DO NOT GET TO TELL ME WHAT MY INTENT IS, or what my purpose is, and I can say this because you are patently wrong about most of what you're telling me is true.
You're seemingly missing the point with my argument. It's not about sexism, it's not about supporting an agenda, or providing a fertile ground for inadvisable behavior. It's very straightforward: you don't get to make these determinations for someone else. It's not your call to tell another person what their intent is. Offer the observation if you must, but that's where it has to end.
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I am sure the person who made that post using those words, which are kind of specific to a fratboy attitude of like 10+ years ago, would regret them if he saw them today...
As another person who has recently reformed their posting style and turned over a new leaf here, let's not go on any witch hunts. People can and do change :)
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i'm definitely not interested in a political argument. you should probably leave that in the proper forums (i think it's referred to p/r here but i also know you need to ask for permission so maybe you need to do that). but this isn't political. it's wrong to treat someone or a group of people with offensive language. again, it's very simple, and pretending this is a complex issue is merely purposely looking to muddy it so you (rhetorical you, not you specifically) can act under its cover
Of course it's wrong, at least for me. But it's just not up to you (or me) to decide what that line is for everyone else. It actually can be complex, when you're dealing with other people's feelings.
But look at your post: you're telling me where to post. You're telling me whether this is a political argument or not (it most certainly does have a political component). You're telling me what I should view as "right" or "wrong". You're telling me how I should view this as simple, not complex. You're telling me that I'm acting purposefully. You're telling me I'm muddying the waters for specific intent. You're telling me I'm purposefully looking to act in a certain way. YOU DO NOT GET TO TELL ME WHAT MY INTENT IS, or what my purpose is, and I can say this because you are patently wrong about most of what you're telling me is true.
You're seemingly missing the point with my argument. It's not about sexism, it's not about supporting an agenda, or providing a fertile ground for inadvisable behavior. It's very straightforward: you don't get to make these determinations for someone else. It's not your call to tell another person what their intent is. Offer the observation if you must, but that's where it has to end.
i'm not engaging with you anymore my guy. your need to have the last say is definitely amusing to witness though. you're even gonna respond to this i bet, lol. have a great day! :heart
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i'm definitely not interested in a political argument. you should probably leave that in the proper forums (i think it's referred to p/r here but i also know you need to ask for permission so maybe you need to do that). but this isn't political. it's wrong to treat someone or a group of people with offensive language. again, it's very simple, and pretending this is a complex issue is merely purposely looking to muddy it so you (rhetorical you, not you specifically) can act under its cover
Of course it's wrong, at least for me. But it's just not up to you (or me) to decide what that line is for everyone else. It actually can be complex, when you're dealing with other people's feelings.
But look at your post: you're telling me where to post. You're telling me whether this is a political argument or not (it most certainly does have a political component). You're telling me what I should view as "right" or "wrong". You're telling me how I should view this as simple, not complex. You're telling me that I'm acting purposefully. You're telling me I'm muddying the waters for specific intent. You're telling me I'm purposefully looking to act in a certain way. YOU DO NOT GET TO TELL ME WHAT MY INTENT IS, or what my purpose is, and I can say this because you are patently wrong about most of what you're telling me is true.
You're seemingly missing the point with my argument. It's not about sexism, it's not about supporting an agenda, or providing a fertile ground for inadvisable behavior. It's very straightforward: you don't get to make these determinations for someone else. It's not your call to tell another person what their intent is. Offer the observation if you must, but that's where it has to end.
i'm not engaging with you anymore my guy. your need to have the last say is definitely amusing to witness though. you're even gonna respond to this i bet, lol. have a great day! :heart
And I'm going to, if only to point out the fourth grade psychology and the seemingly fake cameraderie of the heart emoji. I suppose you think you're playing chess with the "I lose if I respond and I lose if I don't" paradoxy. I will note however, that you did not in any way respond with any substance, just more ad hominem, and that is telling.
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I played DT at a Buffalo Wild Wings once and someone unplugged the machine
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When I was much younger (like 20 or something maybe?) I went on a date with some girl I met on the internet. Not too long in the date (I'm driving her at this point) she starts going on and on about her recent ex-boyfriend and how amazing he is. Showing that she's clearly on this date as either a way to make him jealous, or as a distraction, or whatever and I know this isn't going anywhere. So I just put on the Instrumedly. Probably an immature way to "punish" her or to passive-aggressively express my frustration, but in that moment, to a dumb 20 year old, it felt like a win. At this point (20 or so years later) it's literally the only thing about the date I remember. No idea where we went or what she looked like or what she was like at all.
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or as a distractio
Was she Italian?
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or as a distractio
Was she Italian?
Possibly. Kept talking about her big important brother in Tuscany.
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i'm definitely not interested in a political argument. you should probably leave that in the proper forums (i think it's referred to p/r here but i also know you need to ask for permission so maybe you need to do that). but this isn't political. it's wrong to treat someone or a group of people with offensive language. again, it's very simple, and pretending this is a complex issue is merely purposely looking to muddy it so you (rhetorical you, not you specifically) can act under its cover
You're seemingly missing the point with my argument. It's not about sexism, it's not about supporting an agenda, or providing a fertile ground for inadvisable behavior. It's very straightforward: you don't get to make these determinations for someone else. It's not your call to tell another person what their intent is. Offer the observation if you must, but that's where it has to end.
Don't you think there's a point that's far enough across the line where you in fact do get to call people out on it regardless of why they said it? What if it was slurs? A call to nuke the middle east? I'm obviously exaggerating here to make a point but for me and I guess for hoveringsojon - referring to a group of woman leaving as 'a procession of sluts' is across that line regardless of intent and personally I find it strange that anyone feels the need to defend that statement (or the 'right to' make that statement which you seem to be doing).
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I have a feeling I'll regret asking but WTF does "incel energy" mean? I'm pretty sure I've never even heard the word, and it's got red squiggly lines under it.
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i'm definitely not interested in a political argument. you should probably leave that in the proper forums (i think it's referred to p/r here but i also know you need to ask for permission so maybe you need to do that). but this isn't political. it's wrong to treat someone or a group of people with offensive language. again, it's very simple, and pretending this is a complex issue is merely purposely looking to muddy it so you (rhetorical you, not you specifically) can act under its cover
Of course it's wrong, at least for me. But it's just not up to you (or me) to decide what that line is for everyone else. It actually can be complex, when you're dealing with other people's feelings.
But look at your post: you're telling me where to post. You're telling me whether this is a political argument or not (it most certainly does have a political component). You're telling me what I should view as "right" or "wrong". You're telling me how I should view this as simple, not complex. You're telling me that I'm acting purposefully. You're telling me I'm muddying the waters for specific intent. You're telling me I'm purposefully looking to act in a certain way. YOU DO NOT GET TO TELL ME WHAT MY INTENT IS, or what my purpose is, and I can say this because you are patently wrong about most of what you're telling me is true.
You're seemingly missing the point with my argument. It's not about sexism, it's not about supporting an agenda, or providing a fertile ground for inadvisable behavior. It's very straightforward: you don't get to make these determinations for someone else. It's not your call to tell another person what their intent is. Offer the observation if you must, but that's where it has to end.
i'm not engaging with you anymore my guy. your need to have the last say is definitely amusing to witness though. you're even gonna respond to this i bet, lol. have a great day! :heart
And I'm going to, if only to point out the fourth grade psychology and the seemingly fake cameraderie of the heart emoji. I suppose you think you're playing chess with the "I lose if I respond and I lose if I don't" paradoxy. I will note however, that you did not in any way respond with any substance, just more ad hominem, and that is telling.
hey stadler, i wasn't gonna respond because it's becoming clear to me that we won't agree on this topic - but in light of your accusations of "ad hominem", something which i find pretty insulting considering i didn't actually do any ad hominem attacks, i decided to step away for a little while and cool off.
then - it hit me! maybe he doesn't know what ad hominem means! that wouldn't be his fault for using it incorrectly and in such an insulting manner, so i have decided to take the high road so to speak and try to offer some help
here is a link to the Texas State definition https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Ad-Hominem.html
This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument. The fallacious attack can also be direct to membership in a group or institution.
Presumably, you thought my observation of you enjoying to have the last word was somehow an "ad hominem" attack. While i can definitely understand why you may have thought this, let me help clarify:
Simply pointing out behavior is not an attack, it is merely an observation. Since joining these boards about a month ago i have, on multiple occasions, noted that you enjoy having the final word. Me merely pointing that out was not "irrelevantly attacking you instead of addressing the point" I was making it clear that I was disengaging from the discussion. You could even say i was "giving it to you". I no longer wished to argue. On my way out of the discussion I merely observed what I have so many times before: that you love having the last say, and would likely do it in this case (i was proven right pretty quickly). Sorry to say that observations are not "attacks" and just because you don't like said observation doesn't mean you get to call it an attack. :)
Just in case it wasn't clear, here are some more examples
NOT AD HOMINEM ATTACKS
- Stadler has an avatar of a muppet
- Stadler seems to enjoy having the last say in discussions
- Stadler is a father
AD HOMINEM ATTACKS (and to be clear, i am merely writing these out for explanation/examples sake: these thoughts and intentions are not serious):
- Stadler is a member of the silent generation, therefore his opinions on things taking place in this century are invalid
- Stadler clearly doesn't understand logistical nuance in discussion, and therefore his arguments hold less weight
- Stadler is a white man of privilege, and therefore his opinions about woman are mostly irrelevant or invalid
hope this helps clear things up for you! have a good one!
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Oh wow
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:corn
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What DT song do you think would get the most people on the dance floor? And don’t say Dance of Eternity.
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What DT song do you think would get the most people on the dance floor? And don’t say Dance of Eternity.
I've nailed Surrounded at karaoke before, so that's got my vote :P
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What DT song do you think would get the most people on the dance floor? And don’t say Dance of Eternity.
Prophets of War
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What DT song do you think would get the most people on the dance floor? And don’t say Dance of Eternity.
Good song. Need something at least mostly in 4/4, uptempo, and with some energy.
Maybe Prophets of War? I Walk Beside You?
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What DT song do you think would get the most people on the dance floor? And don’t say Dance of Eternity.
Good song. Need something at least mostly in 4/4, uptempo, and with some energy.
Maybe Prophets of War? I Walk Beside You?
I did IWBY at karaoke once and it did not go over well, would not recommend that one! lmao
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Oh wow
Haha, I know. It's cute, like it's my first day on the inter webs. :)
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You're seemingly missing the point with my argument. It's not about sexism, it's not about supporting an agenda, or providing a fertile ground for inadvisable behavior. It's very straightforward: you don't get to make these determinations for someone else. It's not your call to tell another person what their intent is. Offer the observation if you must, but that's where it has to end.
Think this one is worth taking a step back on, my man. Making a determination about a woman (calling her a "slut") for some reason ("she's not talking to me", "she's dressed a certain way", "she left for Dream Theater") is not OK. You're getting upset about someone making determinations about you, which is the very act that you are for some reason defending.
I know the op of this thread and I'm pretty sure that he doesn't really view women that way. I think we all get that times change and people shouldn't have there words dangled over them indefinitely. But there's really no need to go a step further and defend those words themselves.
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You're seemingly missing the point with my argument. It's not about sexism, it's not about supporting an agenda, or providing a fertile ground for inadvisable behavior. It's very straightforward: you don't get to make these determinations for someone else. It's not your call to tell another person what their intent is. Offer the observation if you must, but that's where it has to end.
Think this one is worth taking a step back on, my man. Making a determination about a woman (calling her a "slut") for some reason ("she's not talking to me", "she's dressed a certain way", "she left for Dream Theater") is not OK. You're getting upset about someone making determinations about you, which is the very act that you are for some reason defending.
I know the op of this thread and I'm pretty sure that he doesn't really view women that way. I think we all get that times change and people shouldn't have there words dangled over them indefinitely. But there's really no need to go a step further and defend those words themselves.
brilliant summation here. really couldn't have put it better myself and i think with this thought i'll be seeing myself out of this thread. see y'all in other threads!
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i'm definitely not interested in a political argument. you should probably leave that in the proper forums (i think it's referred to p/r here but i also know you need to ask for permission so maybe you need to do that). but this isn't political. it's wrong to treat someone or a group of people with offensive language. again, it's very simple, and pretending this is a complex issue is merely purposely looking to muddy it so you (rhetorical you, not you specifically) can act under its cover
Of course it's wrong, at least for me. But it's just not up to you (or me) to decide what that line is for everyone else. It actually can be complex, when you're dealing with other people's feelings.
But look at your post: you're telling me where to post. You're telling me whether this is a political argument or not (it most certainly does have a political component). You're telling me what I should view as "right" or "wrong". You're telling me how I should view this as simple, not complex. You're telling me that I'm acting purposefully. You're telling me I'm muddying the waters for specific intent. You're telling me I'm purposefully looking to act in a certain way. YOU DO NOT GET TO TELL ME WHAT MY INTENT IS, or what my purpose is, and I can say this because you are patently wrong about most of what you're telling me is true.
You're seemingly missing the point with my argument. It's not about sexism, it's not about supporting an agenda, or providing a fertile ground for inadvisable behavior. It's very straightforward: you don't get to make these determinations for someone else. It's not your call to tell another person what their intent is. Offer the observation if you must, but that's where it has to end.
i'm not engaging with you anymore my guy. your need to have the last say is definitely amusing to witness though. you're even gonna respond to this i bet, lol. have a great day! :heart
And I'm going to, if only to point out the fourth grade psychology and the seemingly fake cameraderie of the heart emoji. I suppose you think you're playing chess with the "I lose if I respond and I lose if I don't" paradoxy. I will note however, that you did not in any way respond with any substance, just more ad hominem, and that is telling.
hey stadler, i wasn't gonna respond because it's becoming clear to me that we won't agree on this topic - but in light of your accusations of "ad hominem", something which i find pretty insulting considering i didn't actually do any ad hominem attacks, i decided to step away for a little while and cool off.
then - it hit me! maybe he doesn't know what ad hominem means! that wouldn't be his fault for using it incorrectly and in such an insulting manner, so i have decided to take the high road so to speak and try to offer some help
here is a link to the Texas State definition https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Ad-Hominem.html
This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument. The fallacious attack can also be direct to membership in a group or institution.
Presumably, you thought my observation of you enjoying to have the last word was somehow an "ad hominem" attack. While i can definitely understand why you may have thought this, let me help clarify:
Simply pointing out behavior is not an attack, it is merely an observation. Since joining these boards about a month ago i have, on multiple occasions, noted that you enjoy having the final word. Me merely pointing that out was not "irrelevantly attacking you instead of addressing the point" I was making it clear that I was disengaging from the discussion. You could even say i was "giving it to you". I no longer wished to argue. On my way out of the discussion I merely observed what I have so many times before: that you love having the last say, and would likely do it in this case (i was proven right pretty quickly). Sorry to say that observations are not "attacks" and just because you don't like said observation doesn't mean you get to call it an attack. :)
Just in case it wasn't clear, here are some more examples
NOT AD HOMINEM ATTACKS
- Stadler has an avatar of a muppet
- Stadler seems to enjoy having the last say in discussions
- Stadler is a father
AD HOMINEM ATTACKS (and to be clear, i am merely writing these out for explanation/examples sake: these thoughts and intentions are not serious):
- Stadler is a member of the silent generation, therefore his opinions on things taking place in this century are invalid
- Stadler clearly doesn't understand logistical nuance in discussion, and therefore his arguments hold less weight
- Stadler is a white man of privilege, and therefore his opinions about woman are mostly irrelevant or invalid
hope this helps clear things up for you! have a good one!
I'm good with my statements, and I stand behind them. I know what the words mean, and it applies to your posts. The point of using the term "ad hominem" was to highlight that you have continually tried to undermine my point without actually having to engage with it (https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem). You have EXPLICITLY SAID you won't engage (on the faulty premise that "no one's mind will be changed", as if that's the only reason to debate important issues) and then proceeded to continually make your responses about me and my articulation, about what I know, about what my intent is, etcetera.
Unless and until you actually respond to the issue at hand - the supposed sexism of this thread, and the resulting efforts to control what others can and can't say on a forum you do not control and has been monitored appropriately - I'm comfortable with my assessment and the appropriateness of the words I chose.
But I'm here all day. I can keep doing this.
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You're seemingly missing the point with my argument. It's not about sexism, it's not about supporting an agenda, or providing a fertile ground for inadvisable behavior. It's very straightforward: you don't get to make these determinations for someone else. It's not your call to tell another person what their intent is. Offer the observation if you must, but that's where it has to end.
Think this one is worth taking a step back on, my man. Making a determination about a woman (calling her a "slut") for some reason ("she's not talking to me", "she's dressed a certain way", "she left for Dream Theater") is not OK. You're getting upset about someone making determinations about you, which is the very act that you are for some reason defending.
I know the op of this thread and I'm pretty sure that he doesn't really view women that way. I think we all get that times change and people shouldn't have there words dangled over them indefinitely. But there's really no need to go a step further and defend those words themselves.
Not defending those words nor am I saying it's okay. In fact, I believe I said it was not:Of course it's wrong, at least for me.
What I'm clearly objecting to is coming in, 13 years after the fact, and, even after TWO mods - who have shown a history of being measured and prudent in their handling of sensitive issues - have weighted in decisively on the matter, and repeatedly judging others by association for their participation in a thread with questionable material (and I quote: " :\ some people here really hate women a lot and it shows").
Nothing I've said defends the underlying behavior or condones actual sexism. That it exists, though, doesn't give carte blanche to those who have issue with it. My objection, and the basis of almost all of my posts in this thread, was the forced judgementalism that seemed to imply that we're all guilty if we don't go along with the mob mentality and agree with the accusations against character. To your point, you KNOW the OP and have some insight, perhaps, into his intent. I don't see any of that objectivity with statements like that quoted above. And I'd have left this thread long ago if the discussion didn't continue down that path. I've repeatedly suggested that it is likely more productive that it be kept to the issue at hand - the actual or alleged sexism - and not on the forced implications of what each response might mean, but that was ignored, even down to questioning my intelligence. We're apparently just supposed to shut the f--- up and agree with the accusations or be complicit.
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Filibuster.
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What DT song do you think would get the most people on the dance floor? And don’t say Dance of Eternity.
prophets of war until they realize it's not actually muse... and then we'd have a CAVALCADE OF STUPID FUCKIN' SKANKS WITH PLEBEIAN TASTES departing...
am i doing it right :hat because if not i'm gonna feel like tim robinson in the itysl haunted house sketch... can we or can we not degrade women we know nothing about
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Well, hopefully soon you and 808 will exit through the doors you recently entered.
This has been hilarious!
btw....Stadler, did you know there is a P/R section? You should ask permission to join. :lol :lol :lol
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The DTF Class of 2023 has been quite disappointing so far :lol
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:lol
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This misbegotten thread should never have been resurrected in the first place. Goodbye and good riddance.