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Title: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on April 27, 2009, 12:38:37 PM
You knew it had to happen.

Great, great band. I now have all Fish-era albums and they're pretty much all very good to awesome. Now checking out the albums with h. Any albums I should avoid or not care about?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on April 27, 2009, 02:09:00 PM
First 5 albums, especially the first 4 Fish ones, are awesome. Clutching at Straws is a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on April 27, 2009, 02:28:01 PM
Well, I CAN tell you to buy Season's End, Brave, Anoraknophobia, Marbles, and Happiness is the Road.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: prog.fusion on April 27, 2009, 03:08:39 PM
Brave is one of the greatest albums ever. i absolutely love it. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on April 27, 2009, 08:40:31 PM
I've spent like the last few weeks going through their discography from the start.  I'm up to Brave.

Check out the This Strange Convention DVD.  Some pretty killer stuff on there.  (Including an amazingly awesome cover of Britney Spears' "Toxic")
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: LudwigVan on April 28, 2009, 06:59:39 AM
I'm one of those stubborn a-holes who maintains that none of the H-era stuff can hold a candle to Fish-era Marillion.   (what happened to the :flamethrower smiley)?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on April 28, 2009, 07:32:17 AM
Everything Fish era is cheesy prog along the Rush lines. H era is where the good stuff is.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on April 28, 2009, 08:13:00 AM
I'm one of those stubborn a-holes who maintains that none of the H-era stuff can hold a candle to Fish-era Marillion.   (what happened to the :flamethrower smiley)?

Yup, Seasons End comes close, but so called masterpieces like Brave and Marbles are not even close to as good as the Fish stuff in my book.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on April 28, 2009, 08:16:40 AM
I'm one of those stubborn a-holes who maintains that none of the H-era stuff can hold a candle to Fish-era Marillion.   (what happened to the :flamethrower smiley)?

Yup, Seasons End comes close, but so called masterpieces like Brave and Marbles are not even close to as good as the Fish stuff in my book.

You need a new book.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on April 28, 2009, 02:06:52 PM
I'm one of those stubborn a-holes who maintains that none of the H-era stuff can hold a candle to Fish-era Marillion.   (what happened to the :flamethrower smiley)?

Yup, Seasons End comes close, but so called masterpieces like Brave and Marbles are not even close to as good as the Fish stuff in my book.

Marbles surpasses all of the Fish stuff, in my totally amazing book printed on gilded paper from Jesus himself.  Clutching at Straws is second, though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 05, 2009, 03:41:57 PM
My absolute favorites are Misplaced Childhood (favorite album of all time by any band), Clutching at Straws, Seasons End, This Strange Engine and Marbles. Haven't gotten the new one yet.

I pretty much love them all except for Brave and Afraid of Sunlight. Brave puts me to sleep and I do like King from Afraid of Sunlight.

I like most of Fish's solo stuff a lot too.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on May 05, 2009, 04:04:52 PM
My absolute favorites are Misplaced Childhood (favorite album of all time by any band), Clutching at Straws, Seasons End, This Strange Engine and Marbles. Haven't gotten the new one yet.

I pretty much love them all except for Brave and Afraid of Sunlight. Brave puts me to sleep and I do like King from Afraid of Sunlight.

I like most of Fish's solo stuff a lot too.
Brave is epic !
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phantasmatron on May 05, 2009, 05:47:34 PM
I'm a fan of Misplaced Childhood, so I finally got around to listening to Clutching at Straws the other day.  It's pretty good on a first listen, and I'm betting that once I get to know all the songs better, I'll like it even more than Misplaced Childhood.

I didn't expect to like this band.  But they have some good stuff.  :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on May 05, 2009, 07:01:18 PM
Everything Fish era is cheesy prog along the Rush lines. H era is where the good stuff is.

I really don't think I would label the Fish-era albums (with the possible exception of Jester's Tear) as prog.  They're more like really awesome pop-rock with prog-like tendencies.  The H-era stuff that I've checked out, while reasonably good (especially Brave), sounds so flat and monotone compared to the colorful and emotionally rich Fish-era material.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on May 07, 2009, 09:42:25 AM
Everything Fish era is cheesy prog along the Rush lines. H era is where the good stuff is.

I really don't think I would label the Fish-era albums (with the possible exception of Jester's Tear) as prog.  They're more like really awesome pop-rock with prog-like tendencies.  The H-era stuff that I've checked out, while reasonably good (especially Brave), sounds so flat and monotone compared to the colorful and emotionally rich Fish-era material.
Totally disagree with that statement. The H shows the bands maturity through the years. I'm listening to the song, "This Strange Engine" as we speak. There is no Fish song that compares with its epicness.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on May 07, 2009, 01:13:26 PM
Everything Fish era is cheesy prog along the Rush lines. H era is where the good stuff is.

I really don't think I would label the Fish-era albums (with the possible exception of Jester's Tear) as prog.  They're more like really awesome pop-rock with prog-like tendencies.  The H-era stuff that I've checked out, while reasonably good (especially Brave), sounds so flat and monotone compared to the colorful and emotionally rich Fish-era material.
Totally disagree with that statement. The H shows the bands maturity through the years. I'm listening to the song, "This Strange Engine" as we speak. There is no Fish song that compares with its epicness.

I've never heard it, but I can't help but disagree just knowing the epicness of some of the Fish material.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on May 07, 2009, 01:53:16 PM
So I've reached the "This Strange Engine" stage of my quest to play through the entire Marillion discography in order.

Man... this album has a SERIOUS 1-2 punch.  I think "Man of a Thousand Faces" is on its way to becoming one of my favorite Marillion tracks.  Mark Kelly blows me away on this one.  And "One Fine Day" has gotta be one of the best "slow" songs they've ever written.

Too bad the album gets slightly derailed with track 3 - "80 days".  Man, that song is all kinds of silly.  :\
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on May 07, 2009, 02:03:24 PM
So I've reached the "This Strange Engine" stage of my quest to play through the entire Marillion discography in order.

Man... this album has a SERIOUS 1-2 punch.  I think "Man of a Thousand Faces" is on its way to becoming one of my favorite Marillion tracks.  Mark Kelly blows me away on this one.  And "One Fine Day" has gotta be one of the best "slow" songs they've ever written.

Too bad the album gets slightly derailed with track 3 - "80 days".  Man, that song is all kinds of silly.  :\
Wait untill you fully absorb the title track. Its legendary !
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on May 07, 2009, 02:53:01 PM
So I've reached the "This Strange Engine" stage of my quest to play through the entire Marillion discography in order.

Man... this album has a SERIOUS 1-2 punch.  I think "Man of a Thousand Faces" is on its way to becoming one of my favorite Marillion tracks.  Mark Kelly blows me away on this one.  And "One Fine Day" has gotta be one of the best "slow" songs they've ever written.

Too bad the album gets slightly derailed with track 3 - "80 days".  Man, that song is all kinds of silly.  :\
Wait untill you fully absorb the title track. Its legendary !

I've been a Marillion fan for years, but for some reason I never got around to picking up the mid/late 90s albums (i.e., Afraid of Sunlight - Marillion.com) until recently.  So my first exposure to Afraid of Sunlight's title track was when they played it live at Marillion weekend last month.  It got an unbelievable ovation from the crowd (which was probably only topped when they played Ocean Cloud later that same night)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dittomist on May 07, 2009, 05:39:55 PM
Hmmmm, here is how I would rank the Marillion albums, starting with their very best.

1. Marbles (double album)
2. Season's End
3. Misplaced Childhood
4. Afraid of Sunlight
5. Brave
6. Clutching at Straws
7. Happiness is the Road (Essence)
8. Anoraknophobia
9. Holidays in Eden
10. Fugazi
11. Marillion.com
12. This Strange Engine
13. Happiness is the Road (The Hard Shoulder)
14. Somewhere Else
15. Radiation
*I'm not that familiar with Script from a Jester's Tear just yet.

Such a great band. All of their albums contain some amazing music, so I suggest owning them all.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on May 07, 2009, 06:04:50 PM
Everything Fish era is cheesy prog along the Rush lines. H era is where the good stuff is.

I really don't think I would label the Fish-era albums (with the possible exception of Jester's Tear) as prog.  They're more like really awesome pop-rock with prog-like tendencies.  The H-era stuff that I've checked out, while reasonably good (especially Brave), sounds so flat and monotone compared to the colorful and emotionally rich Fish-era material.
Totally disagree with that statement. The H shows the bands maturity through the years. I'm listening to the song, "This Strange Engine" as we speak. There is no Fish song that compares with its epicness.

I've never heard it, but I can't help but disagree just knowing the epicness of some of the Fish material.

By "epic" I think he mostly means "long", since the song is over 15 minutes long. :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 07, 2009, 09:52:38 PM
Epic? Try Plague of Ghosts on Fish's Raingods With Zippos album.

I haven't memorized the track total time, but I think it's about 22 minutes long (It's split up into 6 tracks). The studio track doesn't even do it justice. It ends live with the crowd singing as the band walks of the stage before the encore a la Marillion's Happiness Is The Road live.

This Strange Engine is in my top three of Hogarth Marillion albums. I really love the natural delivery of the vocals on it. For whatever reason, he's never done the vocals the same way since. It's my favorite performance vocally. It's a very organic album. I love every song on it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on May 08, 2009, 07:04:54 AM
Epic? Try Plague of Ghosts on Fish's Raingods With Zippos album.

I haven't memorized the track total time, but I think it's about 22 minutes long (It's split up into 6 tracks). The studio track doesn't even do it justice. It ends live with the crowd singing as the band walks of the stage before the encore a la Marillion's Happiness Is The Road live.

This Strange Engine is in my top three of Hogarth Marillion albums. I really love the natural delivery of the vocals on it. For whatever reason, he's never done the vocals the same way since. It's my favorite performance vocally. It's a very organic album. I love every song on it.
I was fortunate enough to see Fish live in New Haven last year. Awesome show ! I have almost all his solo stuff. Sunsets on Empire is my fav.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on May 08, 2009, 07:23:20 AM
Listening to Brave for the second time right now... Goodbye To All That definitely is too long, h sometimes overdoes it with the whispering, but the run from The Hollow Man to The Great Escape is damn amazing (the title track in particular). Made Again doesn't fit the album's mood at all, though. Thinking about deleting it from my collection and leaving The Great Escape as the ending track...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on May 08, 2009, 07:24:31 AM
FYI - Any fans of "This Strange Engine" should check out the new "This Strange Convention" DVD.  The first part (Friday night) is that entire album played live.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on May 08, 2009, 07:53:49 AM
Listening to Brave for the second time right now... Goodbye To All That definitely is too long, h sometimes overdoes it with the whispering, but the run from The Hollow Man to The Great Escape is damn amazing (the title track in particular). Made Again doesn't fit the album's mood at all, though. Thinking about deleting it from my collection and leaving The Great Escape as the ending track...
Brave is one of those albums you need to absorb several times before it really hits you. I heard it 10 times or more before I really got the brilliance of it.
Listening to the song "One Fine Day" at the moment from This Strange Engine.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Zoom E on May 08, 2009, 08:05:17 PM
I'm one of those stubborn a-holes who maintains that none of the H-era stuff can hold a candle to Fish-era Marillion.   (what happened to the :flamethrower smiley)?

I concur.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: aurorablind on May 09, 2009, 08:18:58 AM
Love this band! Definitely in my top 10 list of favorite bands of all times..
Favorite albums:
Misplaced Childhood, Clutching at straws, Brave and Marbles.. :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 13, 2009, 09:11:31 PM
Epic? Try Plague of Ghosts on Fish's Raingods With Zippos album.

I haven't memorized the track total time, but I think it's about 22 minutes long (It's split up into 6 tracks). The studio track doesn't even do it justice. It ends live with the crowd singing as the band walks of the stage before the encore a la Marillion's Happiness Is The Road live.

This Strange Engine is in my top three of Hogarth Marillion albums. I really love the natural delivery of the vocals on it. For whatever reason, he's never done the vocals the same way since. It's my favorite performance vocally. It's a very organic album. I love every song on it.
I was fortunate enough to see Fish live in New Haven last year. Awesome show ! I have almost all his solo stuff. Sunsets on Empire is my fav.


That's a great album too.  One of my favorites along with Vigil In A Wilderness of Mirrors, Internal Exile, Raingods With Zippos and 13th Star.

Saw him 4 times on the Sunsets Tour. Twice on the 13th Star Tour (Nearfest and Philly) and twice on the Raingods Tour (Philly, New York City) Just 3 U.S. Tours since he Marillion 21 years ago.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on May 13, 2009, 09:21:55 PM
That NEARfest show was so awesome, can't wait till the DVD is available.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 13, 2009, 09:56:46 PM
That NEARfest show was so awesome, can't wait till the DVD is available.

It should be out fairly soon. I think I read the finishing touches were being put on it.

Until then, we enjoy it in other ways.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on July 05, 2009, 08:45:43 AM
So I got Afraid Of Sunlight recently and it's a very good album, definitely a worthy successor to Brave. The last four tracks are absolutely stellar.
The only thing about it that I don't really like is the general sound, it lacks some punch and the snare and kick drum are mixed too low.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on July 06, 2009, 06:19:14 AM
happiness is such an epic song, i love it when it comes on my ipod.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: changing_seasons on August 17, 2009, 05:46:52 PM
This is gonna be a major bump, but I had to share it.

I think I may be coming out of my Dream Theater obsession, and Marillion is the band setting me free! I remember liking Easter from the 5YIAL DVD, and so I thought I'd check out the rest of the discography. I haven't listened enough to have a favorite album yet, but I really like the guitar work, and Steve Hogarth's voice is cool too. I already knew I liked Pete Trewavas' bass style from the Transatlantic albums. Actually, I'd put Marillion and Transatlantic in the same position, being music I like listening to more than playing.

Anyway, I now see the joys of discovering new music you actually like. I just hope I don't get bored with it like I normally do. It's looking good though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on August 17, 2009, 06:43:58 PM
Clutching at Straws is in my top 5 of favorite albums, and Sugarmice is probably my favorite of all songs.
The line,"If you want my address, it's number one at the end of the bar, where I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars" gets me every time. :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on August 17, 2009, 06:55:56 PM
The biggest single emotional punch on the album for me is, "And if you ever come across us, don't give us your sympathy. Just buy us a drink and just shake our hands. And you'll recognize, by the reflection in our eyes, that deep down inside we're all one and the same."

I can't hear that and not get chills.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on August 17, 2009, 07:20:27 PM
How about "Is it wrong to talk to myself even when there's nobody else, I'm just checking out that I'm not going under the water, thrown to the beach like a seal ready for slaughter."  I read somewhere that when Fish's wife read the lyrics to Going Under, she started crying and asked Fish what was wrong in his life.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on August 18, 2009, 01:52:49 AM
Listening to Brave for the second time right now... Goodbye To All That definitely is too long, h sometimes overdoes it with the whispering, but the run from The Hollow Man to The Great Escape is damn amazing (the title track in particular). Made Again doesn't fit the album's mood at all, though. Thinking about deleting it from my collection and leaving The Great Escape as the ending track...

The vinyl version of the album had "twin grooves" on side four, one running as per the CD, the other having a "spiral remix" of the Great Escape (available on the 2CD remaster version) and then just extended water noise, omitting Made Again.

Made Again is a great song, it's really uplifting and provides a final note of optimism at the end of what would otherwise be a very bleak album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on August 18, 2009, 03:04:32 AM
See, that's the problem I have with the song. It doesn't really fit the concept imo (what's wrong with bleak albums anyway?). Also, the lyrics are horrible. I'm not a big fan of John Helmer's lyrics anyway, but those are just trying way too hard to be uplifting.

And Afraid Of Sunlight might have become my second or third favourite Marillion album by now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Chas on August 19, 2009, 04:51:56 AM
Love Forgotten Sons off Script For A Jester's Tear.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: wkiml on August 19, 2009, 11:49:31 AM
I'm one of those stubborn a-holes who maintains that none of the H-era stuff can hold a candle to Fish-era Marillion.   (what happened to the :flamethrower smiley)?

I concur.

count me in this group as well
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on August 19, 2009, 11:55:33 AM
Yeah, I'm in that group as well. Season's End comes close, but it's still not as good as the first four.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on August 19, 2009, 12:16:12 PM
@Nick:  How is Fish's solo stuff?  I remember you bought his newest album at NEARfest, but I can't remember if you had heard any of his other stuff.  Does it come close to the awesomeness of the 4 Fish-era Marillion albums?  Some of the stuff I heard him play in concert sounded pretty cool.

Also, I read on his website that the NEARfest DVD was pushed back until October.  Here's hoping it actually gets released, it'd be cool to have a DVD that I can say I was at, especially since I don't get out to many concerts.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on August 19, 2009, 02:07:29 PM
Yeah, that DVD got pushed back so Fish could focus on his convention this year.

I have quite a few of his albums, with his newest, 13th Star, being my favorite. It's not as good as the Fish-era Marillion albums, but then again, what it? A lot of it is a bit more straightforward, and perhaps in a strange way a bit more theatrical and epic in a more traditional, less progressive sense.

To get a good overview I'd suggest picking up the Return to Childhood DVD. It's a set of his solo stuff followed by Misplaced Childhood. As for studio albums I prefer 13th Star, Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors, Internal Exile, and Fellini Days.

Also, one of the songs he played in concert, but not on any of those albums was a song he didn't originally right called "Faith Healer", if you get a chance just check out that track because it's fucking awesome.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on August 19, 2009, 02:16:03 PM
Awesome, thanks for the recommendations :tup

Just from the 4 Marillion albums he sang on, he's become one of my favorite vocalists, so I'm definitely interested in hearing more stuff he sings on.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 20, 2009, 05:45:40 PM
Yeah, that DVD got pushed back so Fish could focus on his convention this year.

I have quite a few of his albums, with his newest, 13th Star, being my favorite. It's not as good as the Fish-era Marillion albums, but then again, what it? A lot of it is a bit more straightforward, and perhaps in a strange way a bit more theatrical and epic in a more traditional, less progressive sense.

To get a good overview I'd suggest picking up the Return to Childhood DVD. It's a set of his solo stuff followed by Misplaced Childhood. As for studio albums I prefer 13th Star, Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors, Internal Exile, and Fellini Days.

Also, one of the songs he played in concert, but not on any of those albums was a song he didn't originally right called "Faith Healer", if you get a chance just check out that track because it's fucking awesome.

Faith Healer (live) originally appeared as a B-side to the Big Wedge single. I can't remember now if it was reissued on anything else. It's a song from The Sensational Alex Harvey Band. Fish played it a lot on some of the earlier tours and he brought it back for the 13th Star tour.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on August 20, 2009, 05:52:57 PM
Yeah, that DVD got pushed back so Fish could focus on his convention this year.

I have quite a few of his albums, with his newest, 13th Star, being my favorite. It's not as good as the Fish-era Marillion albums, but then again, what it? A lot of it is a bit more straightforward, and perhaps in a strange way a bit more theatrical and epic in a more traditional, less progressive sense.

To get a good overview I'd suggest picking up the Return to Childhood DVD. It's a set of his solo stuff followed by Misplaced Childhood. As for studio albums I prefer 13th Star, Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors, Internal Exile, and Fellini Days.

Also, one of the songs he played in concert, but not on any of those albums was a song he didn't originally right called "Faith Healer", if you get a chance just check out that track because it's fucking awesome.

Faith Healer (live) originally appeared as a B-side to the Big Wedge single. I can't remember now if it was reissued on anything else. It's a song from The Sensational Alex Harvey Band. Fish played it a lot on some of the earlier tours and he brought it back for the 13th Star tour.


If you can find it, the four single "fortunes of War" set is filled with awesome live tracks from some acoustic shows.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 20, 2009, 06:31:16 PM
Yeah, that DVD got pushed back so Fish could focus on his convention this year.

I have quite a few of his albums, with his newest, 13th Star, being my favorite. It's not as good as the Fish-era Marillion albums, but then again, what it? A lot of it is a bit more straightforward, and perhaps in a strange way a bit more theatrical and epic in a more traditional, less progressive sense.

To get a good overview I'd suggest picking up the Return to Childhood DVD. It's a set of his solo stuff followed by Misplaced Childhood. As for studio albums I prefer 13th Star, Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors, Internal Exile, and Fellini Days.

Also, one of the songs he played in concert, but not on any of those albums was a song he didn't originally right called "Faith Healer", if you get a chance just check out that track because it's fucking awesome.

Faith Healer (live) originally appeared as a B-side to the Big Wedge single. I can't remember now if it was reissued on anything else. It's a song from The Sensational Alex Harvey Band. Fish played it a lot on some of the earlier tours and he brought it back for the 13th Star tour.


If you can find it, the four single "fortunes of War" set is filled with awesome live tracks from some acoustic shows.

It's been a while since I've had that on too.  There's a pretty decent version of Sugar Mice on Fortunes Of War as I recall.


Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on August 20, 2009, 07:18:27 PM
Marillion is my favorite band. I don't feel they've ever released a bad record. And I consider 5 of their albums 5-stars, or more or less flawless, with Brave being what I regard as my favorite album of all-time. It's the most gut-renching, emotionally charged experience, I only listen to it at certain times and moods. The other 4 5-star records: Clutching, Childhood, Sunlight, and Marbles all are as significant work in their career as anything.

The rest of their discography contains a lot of good to very good albums. Some of the epics namely standout. 100 Nights/This Town, This Strange Engine, Interior Lulu. Grendel, which I think I'd like to add the version that is on B-Sides Themselves is a vastly superior version than the one included on the 'Script remaster.

Somewhere Else I think as grown as much as any album of theirs, on me. It's different, but the more I play it and Happiness, the more I find those 2 records being pretty close in quality.

Radiation I'd say somewhat the same about. It was a different kind of record, but more than enough of it still works over time. Plus songs like "These Chains" and especially "A Few Words For the Dead" are as moving as anything they've done, it makes my view of that record a lot better than it was when I regarded it the worst thing they ever did.

I'm not really sure what is their worst album. Perhaps Fugazi or Anorak..but even both of them have a lot of music I like, it's really hard to regard them much different than say Holidays or Somewhere Else.

Fish's solo work is pretty good. I own 3 or 4 of his. Raingods with Zippos has the outstanding Plague of Ghosts suite. Steven Wilson helps out there. Sunsets on Empires and Internal Exile are both spotty. His latest, 13th Star I was surprisingly impressed by. I don't own a hardcopy, but from listening to it on mp3, I just remember it being a little heavier and a little catchier than I expected.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on August 20, 2009, 07:36:11 PM
While I do prefer the Fish material in general, I've been getting more into Brave lately, and damn if that isn't an awesome album :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 24, 2009, 04:25:57 PM
While I do prefer the Fish material in general, I've been getting more into Brave lately, and damn if that isn't an awesome album :tup

I'm one of the few (the only one?) that is not much of a fan of Brave. It puts me to sleep. The version on Made Again is only a slight improvement for me.

Brave and Afraid of Sunlight are far and away my least favorite Marillion albums. I pretty much love everything else. (Although I still don't have Happiness is the Road yet).

Oddly, Fish's solo albums from that same period (Songs From the Mirror and Suits) are also my least favorite of his discography.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on August 31, 2009, 07:08:07 AM
Alright, so I got This Strange Engine, Radiation and marillion.com a few days ago. Haven't heard the latter two, but TSE is kind of a mixed bag for me. The title track, Estonia and Man Of A Thousand Faces are great songs, no question. An Accidental Man could have been such a good song if it wasn't for the terrible chorus. Memory Of Water is a nice little interlude, could be a grower. Don't really care much for 80 Days and One Fine Day (it's mostly the lyrics that pull these songs down, I really don't like Helmer's style). Hope For The Future might be the worst Marillion song I've ever heard. It's worse than No One Can and even Made Again imo. Seriously, I don't know what was going on while they were writing this song... Didn't even bother to include it in my music collection.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 31, 2009, 02:43:32 PM
Alright, so I got This Strange Engine, Radiation and marillion.com a few days ago. Haven't heard the latter two, but TSE is kind of a mixed bag for me. The title track, Estonia and Man Of A Thousand Faces are great songs, no question. An Accidental Man could have been such a good song if it wasn't for the terrible chorus. Memory Of Water is a nice little interlude, could be a grower. Don't really care much for 80 Days and One Fine Day (it's mostly the lyrics that pull these songs down, I really don't like Helmer's style). Hope For The Future might be the worst Marillion song I've ever heard. It's worse than No One Can and even Made Again imo. Seriously, I don't know what was going on while they were writing this song... Didn't even bother to include it in my music collection.

I LOVE This Strange Engine (especially since I was not very fond of the two albums that came before it).

I think Hogarth's voice sounds very natural and organic on this record. I wish he'd sing like this a lot more than he does (which is not to say he never does, I'd just like him to do it more).

I also really like Radiation (but many people don't), mostly because it has many Beatlesque qualities which I think are cool. It's also very under produced and raw sound, which I like a lot too.

Marillion.com is my least favorite of the three, largely due to Interior Lulu. I think the rest of the album is pretty good though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on August 31, 2009, 04:43:09 PM
I really dig "Tales From the Engine Room" which is TSE remixed. I really wish more bands could have remixes done how that one is. If I knew how to use the software, hell, I'd do it. I've imagined how a song like "Scarred" from Dream Theater might sound remixed in that style, with echoing and re-occurring themes.

I always liked TSE, but TFtER kind of added to my appreciation for it. For some reason, really good remixes do that for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on September 01, 2009, 12:42:58 AM
Alright, so I got This Strange Engine, Radiation and marillion.com a few days ago. Haven't heard the latter two, but TSE is kind of a mixed bag for me. The title track, Estonia and Man Of A Thousand Faces are great songs, no question. An Accidental Man could have been such a good song if it wasn't for the terrible chorus. Memory Of Water is a nice little interlude, could be a grower. Don't really care much for 80 Days and One Fine Day (it's mostly the lyrics that pull these songs down, I really don't like Helmer's style). Hope For The Future might be the worst Marillion song I've ever heard. It's worse than No One Can and even Made Again imo. Seriously, I don't know what was going on while they were writing this song... Didn't even bother to include it in my music collection.

I LOVE This Strange Engine (especially since I was not very fond of the two albums that came before it).

I think Hogarth's voice sounds very natural and organic on this record. I wish he'd sing like this a lot more than he does (which is not to say he never does, I'd just like him to do it more).

I also really like Radiation (but many people don't), mostly because it has many Beatlesque qualities which I think are cool. It's also very under produced and raw sound, which I like a lot too.

Marillion.com is my least favorite of the three, largely due to Interior Lulu. I think the rest of the album is pretty good though.

I listened to Radiation yesterday. It's more consistent than TSE imo, but it lacks the real highlights. Cathedral Wall is amazing, A Few Words For The Dead is very good, but the rest floats around between OK and good.

I'll check out marillion.com today if I have the time.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 03, 2009, 05:16:38 PM
New Acoustic album "Less Is More" (L=M) drops October 2nd. Detaisl on

https://blogs.myspace.com/marillion

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We are pleased to announce that Less Is More will be distributed throughout Europe (and therefore hopefully available in all good record shops). The release date for the album is October 2nd.

Racket Records and Marillion will also be stocking the new album and ordering details will be available on our site soon. We will not start shipping ordered copies until October 2nd but everyone who orders from us will receive a free download of the album on this date. The album will also be available to buy at most of our concerts dates (with the possible exception of 6th - 18th November dates).

The tracklisting is:

GO
INTERIOR LULU
OUT OF THIS WORLD
WRAPPED UP IN TIME
THE SPACE
HARD AS LOVE
QUARTZ
IF MY HEART WERE A BALL
IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT
THE MEMORY OF WATER
THIS IS THE 21ST CENTURY

(plus additional hidden track)

Enjoy!

h, Pete, Ian, Steve and Mark
x

"It's Not Your Fault" in fact, an unrecorded song. Something they've done live recently perhaps?

some videos with footage, samples, etc on their official youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/marilliononline
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on September 04, 2009, 12:49:38 AM
I read about this a few days ago, sounds very nice. But since I don't have any Marillion album that was released in this decade, I guess I have to wait.

So... marillion.com doesn't sound that bad. Interior Lulu is amazing, and House is very good too. I like the obvious, but nice Massive Attack influence.
Deserve, Go! and A Legacy are quite good as well, and Enlightened is decent, but Rich is very poppy, and I don't really like the lyrics (the chorus is very cool, though). Built-In Bastard Radar is bad, really bad, and the lyrics (as most of John Helmer's) are facepalm-worthy. Plus, the sonic inconsistency doesn't make listening to this album an exceptional experience. So far, I would give this album a 6.5-7, but I hope that this album is a grower.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 05, 2009, 07:31:12 PM
I think I'm pretty much certain to like the new version of Interior Lulu since I'm not fond of the original.


In any case, I won't be in any hurry to get this but I will eventually.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Ommadawn on September 07, 2009, 12:06:02 PM
A huge Marillion's fan here  :tup

My favorite albums are Brave, Clutching At Straws, Seasons End, Marbles, Holidays In Eden, Afraid Of Sunlight...

Steve Rothery is probably one of my favourite guitar player!!  :D
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on September 10, 2009, 12:36:07 PM
Less is More is available on pre-order, here are some preview songs:

https://www.ilike.com/artist/Marillion/track/Hard%20As%20Love%20-%20Acoustic/
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on September 30, 2009, 12:08:25 PM
My L=M shipped this morning.  :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on September 30, 2009, 12:12:18 PM
My L=M shipped this morning.  :metal

Awesome!  I preordered it a few days ago.  I'm interested to hear the new versions of This is the 21st Century, Lulu, Quartz, and The Space.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on October 05, 2009, 12:41:47 PM
I just downloaded the pre-order edition, it's very nicely done. I'm very happy with it, very chill and soothing.

quartz is a completely different song. pretty cool too.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on October 05, 2009, 02:15:46 PM
I got my copy on October 2nd.  I'm very confused, since I thought it would take longer.  Oh well.  I'm happy with Quartz, 21st Century, Go!, Interior Lulu, Hard as Love, and The Space.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on November 23, 2009, 09:47:51 AM
interior lulu is really agreeing with me lately. i love listening to this album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: progmonster on December 17, 2009, 11:23:45 PM
From the "Biggest Fan of..." thread:


Those are some great pics. I love the London clock picture. That should be on a live album cover. How did you get him on TV in the states? (That's got to be some sort of miracle.)

That would make for a great live album cover! It was awesome how open he was to everything that we did that day, like taking crazy pictures like that. (I'll have to go digging for more of them, I'm not too sure where the rest of them went in the move) He especially liked how all of the places that I took him in the Bay Area where landmarks of places that only exist online (Google/ebay/Apple/etc...). He said something to the effect of "You go around Europe to see castles and ancient buildings. Here, you go to see the famous places that exist on the Internet!". I definitely got the sense that h loved the American people and fans, but was not fond of America itself.

As for getting him on TV, that was JustJen's idea. She knew that I was working at NBC at the time, and suggested that I get him on the show. So I asked my producer, and she was happy to have a guest on the show who wasn't a local cook for the millionth time! Also, the director was a big music fan, and had heard of Marillion from back in the day. (He was always wearing his King Crimson "beat" shirt) It was definitely a miracle....

Side note: I did find it odd that h didn't pay for his coffee at breakfast. We just kind of up and left. Maybe that's customary in Europe, but it's not here in the States. I didn't say anything. heh.


P.S. I also have a habit of running into Pete in public. It get's to the point were he thinks that I am following him! (I'm not, I swear!) But maybe he likes it, because (if the DVD ever comes out you'll see) at the latest Weekend convention we "I Love You'd" each other after their set. It was awkward and funny, and I'm sure that it was captured on video. :blush
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on December 18, 2009, 12:07:04 AM
Less is More, while I enjoy it, and even got goosebumps during a couple of sections last time I played it, I can't jusify placing it in my top 50 records for the year. Why? mainly due to lack of addiction to it, but also a re-arrangements/remixes album doesn't get quite as much weight with me.

That being said, I'm not sure it's as-good, but I think it's the best acoustic re-arrangements record I've heard anyone make since 12:5.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: progmonster on December 18, 2009, 01:10:43 AM
Less is More, while I enjoy it, and even got goosebumps during a couple of sections last time I played it, I can't jusify placing it in my top 50 records for the year. Why? mainly due to lack of addiction to it, but also a re-arrangements/remixes album doesn't get quite as much weight with me.

That being said, I'm not sure it's as-good, but I think it's the best acoustic re-arrangements record I've heard anyone make since 12:5.

I agree with everything you said. I actually prefer 12:5 to it, though. That album is brilliant. L = M is just a fun album to keep me company until Marillion's next venture. (I love Go!, Quartz, and Hard as Love the most from it)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on December 18, 2009, 03:48:06 AM
I went to see Marilion on the Less is More Acoustic tour at Cadogan Hall, and there were plenty of cameras around, so I'm hoping for a live DVD of what was truly one of the best Marillion shows I've seen - albeit one of the shortest. Monday night got Estonia and Answering Machine added to the setlist, but those of us who only went on Sunday got short-changed slightly. Anyway, great show, and it'll make one hell of a great DVD.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on December 18, 2009, 11:35:30 AM
L=M is such a fun album to listen to.  Not so fond of Cannibal Surf Babe and Its Not Your Fault, but everything else is really nice.  Hopefully this keeps the band from following a good/awesome album with a crappy one.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on December 18, 2009, 12:15:58 PM
I bought a used copy of Misplaced Childhood yesterday. Looking forward to popping my Marillion cherry.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on December 18, 2009, 12:37:17 PM
I bought a used copy of Misplaced Childhood yesterday. Looking forward to popping my Marillion cherry.

This is your first Marillion listen ever?

 :omg:

Prepare to be amazed.  After this go find yourself the 2-disc version of Marbles or Clutching at Straws.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: progmonster on December 18, 2009, 12:42:57 PM
I bought a used copy of Misplaced Childhood yesterday. Looking forward to popping my Marillion cherry.

You've been on these boards this long and you haven't hear MC yet? :o

I wish I could go back in time to when I first heard that album. I can actually remember ever detail of that day.... :hat
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on December 18, 2009, 12:49:51 PM
to be fair, MC is just cheesy prog and not many people like that stuff, including myself.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: progmonster on December 18, 2009, 02:39:05 PM
to be fair, MC is just cheesy prog and not many people like that stuff, including myself.

*coughs*

"A morning mare rides, in the starless shutters of my eyes "

"And a ring of violet bruises
They were pinned upon her arm.
Two hundred francs for sanctuary and she led me by the hand
To a room of dancing shadows where all the heartache disappears
And from glowing tongues of candles I heard her whisper in my ear
"'J'entend ton coeur"
I can hear your heart "

"Spray their pheromones on this perfume uniform "

"I saw a war widow in a launderette
Washing the memories from her husband's clothes
She had medals pinned to a threadbare greatcoat
A lump in her throat with cemetery eyes"


"I see black flags on factories
Soup ladies poised on the lips of the poor
I see children with vacant stares, destined for rape in the alleyways
Does anybody care, I can't take any more! "


I wouldn't call the entire album just "cheesy prog", but a lot of it is cheesy, because it's about love and childhood. Cheesy isn't always a bad thing if done well, and with honesty from your heart. :hat

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on December 18, 2009, 06:55:11 PM
God ProgMonster, posting those Fish lyrics make me remember what an awesome lyricist he is.  I played "Kayleigh/Lavender" for my parents once and the first thing they commented on was that they liked the "dancing in stilettos in the snow" line.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on December 18, 2009, 07:25:18 PM
Agreed.  Nobody has that poetic touch in their lyrics like Fish.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: progmonster on December 18, 2009, 11:34:49 PM
 :hat
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on December 22, 2009, 07:18:42 AM
god dammit i can't stop listening to l=m, i wish we could see them in usa, i guess that's what it must be like to be deprived of good music in third world countries like australia.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on December 22, 2009, 07:41:40 AM
god dammit i can't stop listening to l=m, i wish we could see them in usa, i guess that's what it must be like to be deprived of good music in third world countries like australia.

Where?  I don't see an "Australia" on my map.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on December 22, 2009, 08:05:36 AM
God ProgMonster, posting those Fish lyrics make me remember what an awesome lyricist he is.  I played "Kayleigh/Lavender" for my parents once and the first thing they commented on was that they liked the "dancing in stilettos in the snow" line.

In my opinion, Fish didn't turn into a very good lyricist until MC. Before, he just tried to stuff in as many complex/unusual words and metaphors as he possibly could, but MC really has great lyrics. However, I think that he reached his peak on CAS. Same goes for his singing style. It's at times unbearable at times on SFAJT (He Knows You Know verses, for example), a bit better, but still all over the place on Fugazi, but on MC and CAS, it really seems like he started to settle down (and also wanting to do that), thus complimenting the music much better.

PS: Anoraknophobia, Marbles (2CD) and Happiness Is The Road should hopefully all arrive here by the end of the year.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on December 22, 2009, 08:19:42 AM
I am a huge Marillion and solo Fish fan. I feel the first few albums are very good but the bands maturity shows brilliantly in H albums such as Brave, Anoraknophobia, and Marbles. I prefer the listen to the most recent albums. They have more depth imo.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on December 22, 2009, 12:01:30 PM
god dammit i can't stop listening to l=m, i wish we could see them in usa, i guess that's what it must be like to be deprived of good music in third world countries like australia.

Where?  I don't see an "Australia" on my map.

you're supposed to acquire a middle earth map, that's your first mistake.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on December 22, 2009, 12:02:44 PM
Fish was always a brilliant lyricist, but peaked during CAS.  That album shakes the core of my being.

(tick, if you enjoy Fish solo, try to find the Fortunes of War bit, it's all acoustic takes on Fish and Marillion songs)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 22, 2009, 08:41:55 PM
I bought a used copy of Misplaced Childhood yesterday. Looking forward to popping my Marillion cherry.

You've been on these boards this long and you haven't hear MC yet? :o

I wish I could go back in time to when I first heard that album. I can actually remember ever detail of that day.... :hat


You wouldn't be the only one. That entire album is a time capsule for me.  

Misplaced Childhood is my favorite album by any band - ever. I was fortunate enough to hear it played twice live when Marillion opened for Rush March 31 and April 1 1986.

Childhood's End/White Feather were the last two songs played at my wedding.

I'm sorry I passed on the opportunity to own Fish's jacket from the Lavender video about 10 years or so ago when Fish had his estate sale. I just couldn't pull the trigger then. I wanted to get married in a jacket like that , but couldn't find something suitable.

https://cgi.ebay.com/Marillion-Misplaced-Childhood-Fishs-Red-Drummer-Jacket_W0QQitemZ190357864628QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2c523680b4

I hope it went to a good home.


Quote
Progmonster:

As for getting him on TV, that was JustJen's idea. She knew that I was working at NBC at the time, and suggested that I get him on the show. So I asked my producer, and she was happy to have a guest on the show who wasn't a local cook for the millionth time! Also, the director was a big music fan, and had heard of Marillion from back in the day. (He was always wearing his King Crimson "beat" shirt) It was definitely a miracle....

Great story. I doubt anything like that will happen in the US ever again.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 22, 2009, 08:56:16 PM
God ProgMonster, posting those Fish lyrics make me remember what an awesome lyricist he is.  I played "Kayleigh/Lavender" for my parents once and the first thing they commented on was that they liked the "dancing in stilettos in the snow" line.

In my opinion, Fish didn't turn into a very good lyricist until MC. Before, he just tried to stuff in as many complex/unusual words and metaphors as he possibly could, but MC really has great lyrics. However, I think that he reached his peak on CAS. Same goes for his singing style. It's at times unbearable at times on SFAJT (He Knows You Know verses, for example), a bit better, but still all over the place on Fugazi, but on MC and CAS, it really seems like he started to settle down (and also wanting to do that), thus complimenting the music much better.


Even Fish admits that he was singing beyond his means on those early albums.  That and the lifestyle he led pretty much explains why he sounds like he sounds today.
It's not pretty, but he does a great job at making it work.

I'd rather hear him do solo stuff these days rather than anything with Marillion (unless he keeps quiet and lets us sing it instead)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on December 23, 2009, 08:28:23 AM
Fish was always a brilliant lyricist, but peaked during CAS.  That album shakes the core of my being.

(tick, if you enjoy Fish solo, try to find the Fortunes of War bit, it's all acoustic takes on Fish and Marillion songs)
I'll try and check it out. The more recent Fish album "13th Star" was a brilliant album imo.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on December 28, 2009, 11:30:44 AM
Anybody else seen this yet?  Cover of Britney Spears' "Toxic" from the 2007 Marillion Convention.  Pretty awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7BjF2rceTw
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 31, 2009, 02:51:36 PM
Anybody else seen this yet?  Cover of Britney Spears' "Toxic" from the 2007 Marillion Convention.  Pretty awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7BjF2rceTw

I've heard it. I've got no desire to see it.




I've been dying to get into some kind of Marillion (probably live) marathon for a few weeks now, but I haven't gotten there yet.

It's been about six weeks since I've listened to Misplaced Childhood and I'm still breathing......
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: progmonster on December 31, 2009, 03:12:18 PM
I've been dying to get into some kind of Marillion (probably live) marathon for a few weeks now, but I haven't gotten there yet.

Just pop in the Wish You Were Here set, then interlude that with Naked in the Chapel, and finish with Somewhere in London! Or, if you really want a marathon, then start with a few Fish-era DVD's. Unless you're after a listening session rather than visual....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 31, 2009, 04:09:18 PM
I've been dying to get into some kind of Marillion (probably live) marathon for a few weeks now, but I haven't gotten there yet.

Just pop in the Wish You Were Here set, then interlude that with Naked in the Chapel, and finish with Somewhere in London! Or, if you really want a marathon, then start with a few Fish-era DVD's. Unless you're after a listening session rather than visual....

Four out of five music marathons are usually are all auditory rather than visual in my case. I'll probably decide how to handle it whenever I get to do it.

Since you're here, what's the most stunning (performance wise) Clutching At Straws show that's out there? Milan '88 (Curtain Call box) is my favorite followed closely by Billy's Olde Mill, but I was hoping there might be something better as I've not investigated this in eons. While we're at it, what about your Misplaced Childhood show?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on January 08, 2010, 07:31:46 AM
Anybody else seen this yet?  Cover of Britney Spears' "Toxic" from the 2007 Marillion Convention.  Pretty awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7BjF2rceTw

now the damn thing is stuck in my head for the past week. it's actually really nice, much more sinister and well done than the original.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 08, 2010, 07:44:08 AM
Anybody else seen this yet?  Cover of Britney Spears' "Toxic" from the 2007 Marillion Convention.  Pretty awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7BjF2rceTw

now the damn thing is stuck in my head for the past week. it's actually really nice, much more sinister and well done than the original.
That was bizzaro ! I loved one of the you tube comments that said Brittany should now cover "Cannibal surf Babes" :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on January 08, 2010, 08:23:03 AM
I strongly recommend picking up the DVDs.  The whole show is fantastic.  They also do an AMAZING cover of "Hocus Pocus" by Focus.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 08, 2010, 10:01:59 AM
I strongly recommend picking up the DVDs.  The whole show is fantastic.  They also do an AMAZING cover of "Hocus Pocus" by Focus.
That I must see ! That song was the first record (45rpm) I ever bought as a kid.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on January 08, 2010, 02:49:14 PM
I strongly recommend picking up the DVDs.  The whole show is fantastic.  They also do an AMAZING cover of "Hocus Pocus" by Focus.

Damn, now I really want to hear that, especially h's delivery.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on January 11, 2010, 02:06:26 PM
Wow. Between You And Me, Quartz and This Is The 21st Century are amazing. Hell, Anoraknophobia per se is great.

Tomorrow, I'm going to listen to Marbles. Regarding the fact that I already know Neverland, I'll be in for a nice ending. :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: leadvapor on January 11, 2010, 03:56:01 PM
Marillion at their best (Fish-era) is a strong contender for Best Band Ever.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on January 11, 2010, 05:15:18 PM
Wow. Between You And Me, Quartz and This Is The 21st Century are amazing.

This is definitely in my top 5 Marillion songs, h-era or both combined.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on January 12, 2010, 06:20:48 AM
Marillion at their best (Fish-era) is a strong contender for cheesiest Band Ever.

I agree, but Marillion with H is the best pop-rock band ever.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on January 12, 2010, 03:09:04 PM
Marbles = win.

The Invisible Man is one of the best progressive-style songs by Marillion imo, Neverland is pure awesome, and the whole album is really enjoyable.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on January 12, 2010, 03:10:54 PM
Don't forget about Ocean Cloud!

But yeah, Neverland is my favorite Marillion song, and probably one of my top 10 favorite songs ever.  Fish-era can't touch that piece of genius.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on January 12, 2010, 03:30:46 PM
Don't forget about Ocean Cloud!

I'm listening to it right now. It's like This Strange Engine, Out Of This World and parts of Goodbye To All That thrown together with the atmosphere of the album. Great song, and I feel that it's definitely a grower.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 13, 2010, 07:43:28 PM
Marillion at their best (Fish-era) is a strong contender for Best Band Ever.

Difficult for me to argue against that although there have been plenty of amazing moments since then.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on January 16, 2010, 01:02:32 AM
Alright, Happiness Is The Road concludes my Marillion journey. I now have all their albums, except for Somewhere Else, and I don't know whether I should bother with it.

It's a solid album. Essence takes forever until it gets good (It's decent, but the good stuff doesn't start before Woke Up). The title track is amazing, though.

The Hard Shoulder is so much better, and Real Tears For Sale is definitely up there with Marillion's best album closers.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on January 16, 2010, 06:49:10 AM
Alright, Happiness Is The Road concludes my Marillion journey. I now have all their albums, except for Somewhere Else, and I don't know whether I should bother with it.

It's a solid album. Essence takes forever until it gets good (It's decent, but the good stuff doesn't start before Woke Up). The title track is amazing, though.

The Hard Shoulder is so much better, and Real Tears For Sale is definitely up there with Marillion's best album closers.

Yeah, I always thought THS was a lot better too.  From what everyone says, don't bother with Somewhere Else, but I haven't heard it, so...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on January 18, 2010, 04:53:07 AM
I listened to "Hooks In You", and I was impressed.
Gotta love that guitar lick.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: progmonster on January 19, 2010, 01:00:06 PM
MARILLION WEEKEND - 2011 will be in Montreal and Holland again! :eek

I was hoping for Vegas, since it's closer to me here in California. But I hate Vegas to death and I love Montreal. So it's cool with me to go back a visit old friends... :hat

 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on January 19, 2010, 01:16:23 PM
Hmmm... I'm considering it. I do hope that they roll around for Germany, or better, Austria for the next tour, though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 31, 2010, 09:06:00 PM
I got my Rothery fix last night in New York as he and some other musicians jammed on some cool covers and a killer version of Sugar Mice. Very special evening which I won't soon forget. I'd thought about going earlier to his guitar clinic too, but that didn't work out as planned.


I think Nick was there too, but I think he left before I had the chance to corner him.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on February 02, 2010, 01:00:38 PM
I got my Rothery fix last night in New York as he and some other musicians jammed on some cool covers and a killer version of Sugar Mice. Very special evening which I won't soon forget. I'd thought about going earlier to his guitar clinic too, but that didn't work out as planned.


I think Nick was there too, but I think he left before I had the chance to corner him.
Very jealous.  Sugar Mice is my favorite song, bar none.  Here's to you sir...(gives middle finger salute)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 03, 2010, 12:12:50 AM
Montreal again?  :tdwn

then again..even if it were in Vegas, i'd have to start saving right now no matter. And that money really should be saved for a more practical use, like a down-payment on a car.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on February 09, 2010, 07:04:04 PM
I got my Rothery fix last night in New York as he and some other musicians jammed on some cool covers and a killer version of Sugar Mice. Very special evening which I won't soon forget. I'd thought about going earlier to his guitar clinic too, but that didn't work out as planned.


I think Nick was there too, but I think he left before I had the chance to corner him.
Very jealous.  Sugar Mice is my favorite song, bar none.  Here's to you sir...(gives middle finger salute)

Get your hands on the 1/26/88 version from Milan, Italy (From the Curtain Call Box)

Might be the best version I've ever heard, but it's been a while since I've listened a bunch of cassettes I haven't upgraded yet.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on February 14, 2010, 03:54:16 PM
I had Holidays In Eden on yesterday and forgot that I like it almost as much as Seasons End.

I almost always choose Seasons End when it comes down to those two and I'm going to have to remember close the gap a little more when the time comes around again.

Sure, there's that riff in Dry Land that sound like it bad Journey, but I don't think there's a bad song on that album (even the bonus cuts).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on March 04, 2010, 04:21:41 AM
Would you guys be interested in a Marillion Survivor this year?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on April 27, 2010, 11:53:04 AM
I was wondering if anyone has copies of Smoke & Mirrors, and/or Friends & Family that they'd like to sell? As well as Marbles By The Sea, and any of the Making Of albums they released (Another DAT at the Office, Caught in the Net, Fallout, The Making of Brave, ReFracted!, and Unzipped). Many of these releases are out of print on the RacketRecords website and I'd like to get the physical copies of them if possible...

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on April 27, 2010, 08:28:17 PM
Wait, where/what was this thing with Rothery? I had no clue about it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on April 28, 2010, 09:17:51 AM
I just got Tumbling Down the Years double CD a few days ago and it's a pretty damn good compilation live cd. It's the live marillion weekend cd from last year.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 28, 2010, 08:37:04 PM
I was wondering if anyone has copies of Smoke & Mirrors, and/or Friends & Family that they'd like to sell? As well as Marbles By The Sea, and any of the Making Of albums they released (Another DAT at the Office, Caught in the Net, Fallout, The Making of Brave, ReFracted!, and Unzipped). Many of these releases are out of print on the RacketRecords website and I'd like to get the physical copies of them if possible...

-Marc.

For what it's worth, I've got Tales From The Engine Room that I'm selling/trading in this thread:

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=848.msg407441#msg407441



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Nick:

Wait, where/what was this thing with Rothery? I had no clue about it.


It was on the lower west side in New York.  Steve Rothery flew over to pick up a new guitar and while he was there decided to have a low-key guitar clinic at a music store whose name escapes me. Later that evening he performed at a jam session with some local musicans for about an hour or so. It was VERY cool.

It was also a Jive Nation free event.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on May 09, 2010, 05:15:22 PM
Does anyone here have the "Happiness Is The Road" campaign edition boxset? I was wondering if it would be worth the asking price on Marillion's website, which is about $48 USD after shipping... I googled for reviews with images but couldn't find any and would LOVE to see the boxset, up close and personal before I decide to buy it.

Can anyone help me out please?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on May 09, 2010, 07:01:06 PM
If by "campaign edition box set" you meant the two discs and the book of artwork and all that, then sure, I guess?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on May 09, 2010, 07:53:43 PM
If by "campaign edition box set" you meant the two discs and the book of artwork and all that, then sure, I guess?

Exactly that! I just wanna know if you think it's worth getting for what it is - with all the special packaging and artwork.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on May 10, 2010, 10:08:53 AM
I remember paying like 70 to preorder it (I missed the deadline to get my name in the book :(), So I'd say 40 is more worth it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on May 10, 2010, 12:23:32 PM
i have my name on both albums they did it for. true story.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on May 13, 2010, 04:17:24 PM
I remember paying like 70 to preorder it (I missed the deadline to get my name in the book :(), So I'd say 40 is more worth it.

Sweet. Well I'll have to wait til next week (or the week after) for my paycheck to come in, then to clear funds into my PayPal account to order it! HITR is the only Marillion studio album I don't own now! And I even just won (on eBay) the campaign edition of Anoraknophobia (for a hefty price, but totally worth it).

As a side note, I have REALLY been into Marillion lately, and it's clicked with me finally - all the latter-day H-era stuff - and I'm digging albums like Anoraknophobia, marillion.com and This Strange Engine. Even Radiation has some good tracks on it... and I've actually grown to enjoy most of Somewhere Else!

I've also come to view the band's discography in chunks/eras (kind of like Rush, and coincidentally, they're bookended with official live albums) - Fish-Era with The Thieving Magpie, H-Era I (the four H albums released with EMI) with Made Again Live, H-Era II (the 3 following albums released on Castle Records and Anoraknophobia) with Anorak In The UK, and H-Era III (Marbles through Less Is More)... which I hope means an official live album comes out this or next year.

It's just so chill and relaxing and most of the music is just amazing to me now that it's all clicked. A couple years ago, I bought Somewhere Else not long after it's release, at a local FYE, and was hoping I'd hear something like TA or Kino, but was wrong, and the album faded away and gathered dust. Then a year or so later, I bought Script For A Jester's Tear and was surprised at the Genesis-esque sound the band had developed in it's early days. I wasn't in the classic-prog mood at the time so that album fell to the wayside.

Then I heard Marbles and at that time, I was struck by the albums many moods and sounds, and it stuck to me immediately. Since then, I've sought out everything by Marillion (studio, live, even their Racket Records stuff), but mostly recently I've gone into overdrive getting their albums and have spent (quite a bit actually) to get what I want! The band's whole career makes sense to me now, and it's easy for me to move back and forth between eras and understand where the band was and would be going to.

That being the case, I am really excited to hear what the band does next time they hit the studio to record a new album!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 14, 2010, 04:17:06 AM
I've got the HITR campaign boxset, and if you've already got the music then it probably isn't worth it just for some nice cardboard packaging and lots of shiny artwork. But if you want it for collection purposes, then it is what it is, but I doubt you'd be asking the question.


Somewhere Else is a great album, but Michael Hunter's mix makes it sound like a sonic turkey. Honestly, Marbles sounded great, and SE was such a disapointment. I just don't know why they continue to work with Hunter - everything he touches sounds like it's got thin layer of sh1t smeared over it. HITR is acoustically very dull, and some of the Racket releases are awful.  He must be using an iPod as a studio reference system.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on May 21, 2010, 07:53:55 AM
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Thanks again for your order from Racket Records - the following products from your Racket Records order number ------ have shipped on 21st May 2010:

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1 x 'Out Of Season' DVD Box Set (NTSC) (£25.53)
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:caffeine:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on June 12, 2010, 06:11:12 AM
Don't know if this was posted yet, but Fish is going to be finally releasing a live DVD of his performance at NEARfest 2008 in December.

https://www.the-company.com/disco/dvdnearfest.htm

:D
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on June 12, 2010, 09:09:24 AM
You n00b, that's been out SINCE December.

I has it, and it is very nice. :D
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on June 12, 2010, 09:13:52 AM
Quote
Thanks again for your order from Racket Records - the following products from your Racket Records order number ------ have shipped on 21st May 2010:

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1 x 'Out Of Season' DVD Box Set (NTSC) (£25.53)
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:caffeine:

I'm thinking next time I order from Racket, I'm going to get this, along with Tumbling Down The Years. I already got Size Matters last time I ordered a couple weeks ago (along with several other CDs/DVDs). I really need to find time to watch it though as I ordered This Strange Convention (also a couple weeks ago), and still have NOT watched it yet! Stupid work...

Anyway, what are your thoughts on Out Of Season, Zep?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on June 12, 2010, 09:26:59 AM
So far I've watching the first two discs (Friday & Saturday) and they're pretty amazing.  Such killer performances, and a ridiculously amazing set-list.  The performance of "Easter" is pretty wild... H barely sings a note!  Totally brought me right back to what it was like to be there (well... to be at the Montreal convention).  Dying to watch disc 3.  Probably will do that today.  When I was the show in Montreal, the 3rd night was the best of the 3, so I'm fully expecting disc 3 to be even better than discs 1 and 2.


Also, you definitely need to make time to watch This Strange Convention.  Disc 1 of that is fantastic.  Disc 2 is hit or miss, but there's some pretty great stuff on there (the covers of "Toxic" and "Hocus Pocus" are both phenomenal).  And Disc 3 is especially cool for some of the Fish-era stuff. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 21, 2010, 05:09:41 PM
You n00b, that's been out SINCE December.

I has it, and it is very nice. :D

I still need to get this.

Rush always blows crater-sized holes through my music budget. I still haven't gotten that EP by Fish's (former?) rhythm section either.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on August 13, 2010, 10:02:49 PM
So I just watched through the first disc of Wish You Were Here, the very hard to find, out of print, 4-disc video collection from Racket Records. Thanks to ebay, I was able to find a copy of this set, used but in great condition! The box shows some wear and tear, but the discs are practically immaculate! Popular Music is definitely one of their best sets, and it really shows the band playing really really well.

I'm slowly catching up on watching my Marillion DVDs. I have the following so far...
Recital Of The Script
Live From Loreley
From Stoke Row To Ipanema
A Piss-Up In A Brewery (thanks to the recent reprinting!)
Wish You Were Here
Bootleg Butlins
Something Else (companion DVD to Somewhere Else)
This Strange Convention
Somewhere In London

And so far, I've only gotten all the way through Somewhere In London!!! It's been a busy summer, or I just haven't been in the mood to watch DVDs, but I think I am going to slowly catch up on these DVDs. I've spent a good amount of time and money getting some of them, so I should be making time to watch them, after all! I really want to get Out Of Season, though... the sets on those are just amazing! I already own Size Matters on CD, and it's a great set and they played it so well!

What I *really* want to get are Brave Live 2002 and Before First Light, with full album-performances of Brave and Afraid Of Sunlight respectively. Those are two great albums and I'd love to see those DVD documentations of the Marillion Weekend performances of those albums! Unfortunately, those are really hard to find and are often really expensive on the secondary market :(

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Beowulf on December 07, 2010, 02:36:11 PM
La Gazza Ladra (The Thieving Magpie) live double album is the greatest!  All of Childhood live!  All that's really missing is "Freaks" and "Lady Nina".

Needless to say, I've never really gotten into the H-era stuff.  But I am a HUGE fan of the Fish days.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on December 07, 2010, 02:46:37 PM
La Gazza Ladra (The Thieving Magpie) live double album is the greatest!  All of Childhood live!  All that's really missing is "Freaks" and "Lady Nina".

Needless to say, I've never really gotten into the H-era stuff.  But I am a HUGE fan of the Fish days.
Agreed. One of my favorite live albums, right behind Kinks One for The Road and Yessongs.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on December 08, 2010, 03:29:07 AM
I always preferred the Reel To Real live album although it was shorter!
I'm definately a Fish-era fan. I found the H era a bit too U2 and Simple Minds-y for me initially and lost track of them after Brave.
Listened to Brave yesterday and enjoyed it more than I remember but it's a bit depressing, rather like Porcupine Tree. I would have to be in the mood to listen to it, and I'm not often in that sort of mood.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 13, 2010, 08:43:00 PM
La Gazza Ladra (The Thieving Magpie) live double album is the greatest!  All of Childhood live!  All that's really missing is "Freaks" and "Lady Nina".

Needless to say, I've never really gotten into the H-era stuff.  But I am a HUGE fan of the Fish days.

"Freaks" IS on Magpie. One of my favorite versions.

I still like the 1/26/88 concert from Milan, Italy (From the Curtain Call Box) In addditon to the essential Clutching songs, you also get stellar versions of side two of Misplaced Childhood along with "Kayleigh," "Lavender,' and "Heart Of Lothian" from side 1.


It's probably my most listened to Marillion show.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jonny108 on December 15, 2010, 11:26:38 AM
Loving This Strange Engine (track)...Never really had as much of a connection with the Hogarth era as I do Fish but I think somethings about to change....just WOW!  :o ;D

And bleeds and bleeds
And dies for you
And lies
And is to blame
And is ashamed
And is not the same
And is true
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on December 16, 2010, 08:58:50 AM
Montreal again?  :tdwn

I think it's to do with costs, taxes and entry visas. It's easier for US fans to get to Canada than it is for the band to get into the USA. Try telling your government to stop treating everyone from outside the US like they've got bubonic plague, leprosy, contagious homosexuality and terrorism.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on December 16, 2010, 09:33:34 AM
I've tried, but then they put me in a padded room.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Gorille85 on December 16, 2010, 09:41:15 AM
Montreal is awesome! :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 16, 2010, 09:18:32 PM
Loving This Strange Engine (track)...Never really had as much of a connection with the Hogarth era as I do Fish but I think somethings about to change....just WOW!  :o ;D

And bleeds and bleeds
And dies for you
And lies
And is to blame
And is ashamed
And is not the same
And is true


This Strange Engine (album) is among my Hogarth favorites along with Seasons End and Marbles.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on December 17, 2010, 12:00:45 AM
Take out Hope For The Future and TSE is a really good album. But unfortunately, it's there, so it gets pulled down quite a bit. The title track is one of my favourite Marillion songs, though. h goes full throttle on there, which is always good.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jonny108 on December 18, 2010, 07:26:40 PM
Yeah Hogarth should really start to blast it more, I can't enough! Even though I do love a lot of the softer songs.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on December 19, 2010, 09:25:32 AM
I really like h's voice, but I get the feeling that he's been overdoing it with the falsetto on the last few releases, especially on the "Essence" part of HITR. I really enjoyed his singing on Anoraknophobia and Marbles, though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 20, 2010, 09:23:41 PM
I REALLY hope Fish brings this stateside in 2011.

I think it's been almost 25 years since he attempted this nugget of fruity goodness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6lyRYfu5Mg


I had butterflies the first 5 times I watched it. Just wow.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Beowulf on December 21, 2010, 08:54:08 AM
That's a great clip!  Except for all the fans singing over Fish! 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 23, 2010, 09:53:56 PM
That's a great clip!  Except for all the fans singing over Fish! 

But that's exactly what happens at a Fish/Marillion concert.

That's part of the attraction (at least it is for me provided everyone is not completely flat).

Being part of a moment like that is hard to desribe unless you've been there.



On the other side of the coin is this.... where you get the patented Hogarth faux pout routine... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHl4M2D6YUE
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Beowulf on January 03, 2011, 02:02:39 PM
I recently came across a DVD of Fish, and he performs Misplaced Childhood in its entirety.  Its not quite La Gazza Ladra, but its awesome!! 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on January 03, 2011, 02:39:08 PM
Ytserush is right.  I saw him do Sugarmice in SF many moons ago, and you couldn't even hear him, but the solidarity of the fans plus the emotional impact of the song on me brought tears to my eyes.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 04, 2011, 03:03:34 PM
Saw Fish in 09 in Connecticut. Awesome show!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 07, 2011, 09:10:33 PM
Ytserush is right.  I saw him do Sugarmice in SF many moons ago, and you couldn't even hear him, but the solidarity of the fans plus the emotional impact of the song on me brought tears to my eyes.

There's nothing like it. There are very few bands where I have experienced that.


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Posted by: Beowulf 
I recently came across a DVD of Fish, and he performs Misplaced Childhood in its entirety.  Its not quite La Gazza Ladra, but its awesome!!


If that's the 20th Anniversary Return To Childhood DVD, you might enjoy that one more than I do.  It's not bad, but I've listened to the studio and a multitude of live versions from 1985-1988 and it just kills me sometimes to hear Fish do it with his band.

I don't usually get caught up in the nostalgia of the moment, but in this case I do. I have yet to hear a reinterptration of "Misplaced Childhood" that even comes close to the original performances

What's worse is the Fools Company DVD from Holland in 2002. I cry for a different reason when I put that on. Fish's solo work is the reason to have that DVD, but I really have to cringe when I hear Misplaced Childhood on this DVD. I think even Fish admits that this version is below standard due to not having enough time to rehearse it. But as I said, Fish's solo material is very redeeming in this case.
 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on January 21, 2011, 05:57:40 PM
Just a head's up, in about 5-6 weeks time, I will begin a Marillion Survivor over in the Polls/Survivors forum here!

It'll be a HUGE undertaking, so I'm hoping I get plenty of frequent voters each round/album. I've plowed through Spock's Beard/Neal Morse Solo Survivors over the last year with anywhere from 3-12 voters each round/album, but I'm hoping to get a higher average than that with Marillion!

Some preliminary information: I'll do each of the band's 16 Studio Albums in order first, but for the two double-albums, Marbles and Happiness Is The Road, I plan on using 4 Finalists (instead of the normal Top 2), and using the 5th and 6th Place songs from Marbles to go into Consolation, and the 3rd Place of each Volume of HITR for Consolation (each Volume's Top 2 will move to Finals).
After that, I'll do two B-Sides Survivors; One for the Fish-Era, and one for the H-Era. From then on, it should just be Finals.

Anyways, I also wanted to bump this to say just how MUCH I loooooove Marbles, and I rank it as one of my Top 3 Marillion albums (if not number one), and definitely one of my Top 10 albums of all time. And anyone who has only heard the Single Disc version of the album is REALLY missing out on the treat that is the Double Disc version!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 21, 2011, 06:13:14 PM
o rly?..I may have to chek dat one owt.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dittomist on January 21, 2011, 06:50:35 PM
Yay, I am very excited about this survivor. And I also think Marbles is their best album--I love it so much I even named my cat Marbles.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on January 22, 2011, 12:22:52 AM
I'll definitely participate.

Marbles is my second favourite Marillion album, two of the songs on it are in my top 4 Marillion songs. It could be my favourite if it wasn't for The Damage. What an awful song.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: MirzekDT on January 22, 2011, 09:02:01 AM
I'll definitely participate.

Marbles is my second favourite Marillion album, two of the songs on it are in my top 4 Marillion songs. It could be my favourite if it wasn't for The Damage. What an awful song.

The Damage is one of the highlights of the album together with Ocean Cloud and The Invisible Man for me especially the Genie reprise part at 3:03 - 3:33 it's so much awesome
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Pigeon on January 22, 2011, 09:44:10 AM
How is Fugazi compared to Marillion's other albums? Both Fish era and H era
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on January 22, 2011, 09:57:05 AM
How is Fugazi compared to Marillion's other albums? Both Fish era and H era
I like it a lot, but I'm pretty sure the opinions on it are pretty mixed.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on January 22, 2011, 10:03:34 AM
I'll definitely participate.

Marbles is my second favourite Marillion album, two of the songs on it are in my top 4 Marillion songs. It could be my favourite if it wasn't for The Damage. What an awful song.
especially the Genie reprise part at 3:03 - 3:33 it's so much awesome

I love this part.  The Damage is great.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on January 22, 2011, 11:19:02 AM
Sorry, it just pales in comparison to genius songs like The Invisible Man, Neverland, The Only Unforgivable Thing, Ocean Cloud, You're Gone and Don't Hurt Yourself imo. Seems like I'm alone with this, though.

As for Fugazi, I quite like it. Fish's vocals are horribly over-dramatic at times, though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 22, 2011, 11:38:21 AM
Fugazi has it's moments, but it's always been my least favorite Fish-era record, and it's not even close.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dittomist on January 22, 2011, 03:00:13 PM
Yeah, I would agree that Fugazi is the weakest of the Fish albums, but it's still quite good. In fact, I think it has the greatest song from the Fish era: Incubus.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jonny108 on January 22, 2011, 05:40:43 PM
Awesome I'll join in on that survivor poll!  ;D
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 26, 2011, 07:48:31 PM
How is Fugazi compared to Marillion's other albums? Both Fish era and H era
I like it a lot, but I'm pretty sure the opinions on it are pretty mixed.

Fugazi is my favorite Fish album if you don't count Misplaced Childhood and Clutching At Straws. I love it, especially when those songs are performed live.

I'm sure I like a few Hogarth-era albums more but the longer I think about it I'm not really sure. Up there with Seasons End, This Strange Engine and Marbles for sure and probably better than the rest.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: chknptpie on February 12, 2011, 01:53:07 PM
Bump!

Never heard of this band until a live version of Script for a Jester's Tear popped up on Pandora. Way cool song! Where should I start?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on February 12, 2011, 01:55:02 PM
Bump!

Never heard of this band until a live version of Script for a Jester's Tear popped up on Pandora. Way cool song! Where should I start?

Well if you liked that song, definitely check out the rest of their debut album, and the other 3 Fish-era albums. You can't really go wrong with either of them, and if you like them enough, you'll eventually get all four. Be sure to get the 2-disc remaster versions though, as the bonus discs contain some b-sides and other cool tracks!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: chknptpie on February 12, 2011, 01:58:33 PM

Well if you liked that song, definitely check out the rest of their debut album, and the other 3 Fish-era albums. You can't really go wrong with either of them, and if you like them enough, you'll eventually get all four. Be sure to get the 2-disc remaster versions though, as the bonus discs contain some b-sides and other cool tracks!

-Marc.

Sweet! Just one of the many reasons I love Pandora.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on February 12, 2011, 02:07:46 PM
Clutching at Straws and Misplaced Childhood are the best, but as long as you start in the Fish-era you'll be doing great.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on February 12, 2011, 06:29:51 PM
I'll definitely participate.

Marbles is my second favourite Marillion album, two of the songs on it are in my top 4 Marillion songs. It could be my favourite if it wasn't for The Damage. What an awful song.
What's your favorite Marillion album, out of curiosity?
Bump!

Never heard of this band until a live version of Script for a Jester's Tear popped up on Pandora. Way cool song! Where should I start?
Yeah, Script is a good song.  Get Misplaced Childhood and Clutching at Straws (I was never a fan of the debut album apart from the title track).  If you like those enough get the first two as well.  After that, listen to Marbles and prepare for a completely different (better) band.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on February 13, 2011, 03:24:08 AM
I'll definitely participate.

Marbles is my second favourite Marillion album, two of the songs on it are in my top 4 Marillion songs. It could be my favourite if it wasn't for The Damage. What an awful song.
What's your favorite Marillion album, out of curiosity?

Seasons End. Yours?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on February 13, 2011, 10:55:40 AM
Marbles.  Season's End is definitely up there though with Brave and Anoraknophobia.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on February 13, 2011, 05:17:23 PM
Since this thread has made its way back up to the top page, I figured now would be a good time to notify all you fellow Marillion fans that I will begin a Marillion Survivor next month, sometime in the first week of March.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=20558.0

Check out this thread for more information in the coming weeks, and stay tuned to the P/S forum for the Survivor to begin, starting with Script For A Jester's Tear!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on March 02, 2011, 12:14:42 AM
BUMP...just so I can pimp out my Marillion Survivor! Fish-Era fans, I'll be going in Chronological order, so if you love the first four albums, definitely come to the Polls/Survivors Forum and vote Vote VOTE! :tup

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dittomist on March 10, 2011, 10:59:04 PM
The Marillion survivor is up and running (currently on Fugazi, and Misplaced Childhood will be next), so come participate NOW! Not tomorrow, not after breakfast, NOW! :) Or else I will throw a handful of marbles at you.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 10, 2011, 11:22:16 PM
I really wish I had the 2 disc version of Marbles. Drilling Holes, and The Invisible Man are my faves from it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on March 11, 2011, 12:22:50 PM
Less than a month 'til Marillion Weekend in Montreal!  :caffeine:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on March 24, 2011, 09:23:38 AM
https://www.dprp.net/wp/?p=1061

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Marillion announces licensing deal with Snapper

10 Marillion audio and visual back catalogue titles originally released on Marillion’s own label Racket Records, have been licensed by Snapper Music to be reissued worldwide in deluxe packaging.

Marillion formed in 1979 and have sold over 15 million albums worldwide.  Rightly regarded as legends of progressive rock, the band have also continued to evolve and have been keen to embrace the possibilities of the internet, using innovative ways to interact with their audience resulting in an incredibly loyal legion of fans around the world.  They were one of the first bands to have their own website and have been rightly acknowledged as internet pioneers.

The Marillion catalogue re-launch will start in April with a 2CD edition of the acclaimed 2004 release Marbles, which includes the Top Ten Single ‘You’re Gone’.

Racket Records’ Lucy Jordache says “we run a very successful direct to the fans business, but we know that some Marillion fans still want to purchase their CDs and DVDs directly from traditional retailers and Snapper has a proven track record on delivering successful campaigns to retail which is why we chose to do this deal with them.”

Snapper’s Johnny Wilks notes “We are delighted to have secured this deal with Racket Records. This is a great opportunity for retailers around the world to carry classic Marillion back catalogue much of which has previously only been available via mail order”

Interesting... Looks like the albums after Afraid Of Sunlight might get the 2CD Deluxe Package treatment like their first 8 albums were through EMI, starting with a NEW re-re-release of Marbles. I already own the "retail" 2CD version from Racket Records, but if the packaging looks nice, I may have to get Snapper's version as well. Snapper's PT re-releases are really nice, so I'm looking forward to this.

It says 10 albums, so I can only guess the following:
Anoraknophobia (w/ Bonus disc and at least "Number One")
Marbles
Somewhere Else (w/ Something Else DVD?)
Anorak In The UK (RR had a 2CD version)
Brave Live 2002 (God I hope so, I really want this!)
Marbles By The Sea
Smoke
Mirrors
Popular Music
Piston Broke

If it's not even half of those, I'd be happy, but I'd like to get a the set of Smoke/Mirrors/MBTS without having to pay $200+ for all of them. Then again, I probably shouldn't talk considering how much I've spent on "catching up" on their Racket Records releases in the last two years...

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on March 24, 2011, 10:23:09 AM
Hooray!  A new legitimate way of getting the 2CD version of Marbles!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jonny108 on March 30, 2011, 02:22:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TQGaBYSx1c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TQGaBYSx1c)

Just amazing.  Makes me teary.  :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on March 30, 2011, 08:28:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TQGaBYSx1c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TQGaBYSx1c)

Just amazing.  Makes me teary.  :)

:caffeine:

9 days 'til Montreal!!

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on April 01, 2011, 02:54:39 AM
Man, I hope they release and tour their new album soon. Being at a Marillion concert must be such a great experience.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on April 01, 2011, 08:32:21 AM
It's amazing.  I've only seen them twice (Marbles tour in '04 and Marillion Weekend in '09) because they pretty much never come to North America, but they put on one hell of a show.  And the crowds are so intense. 

This was the crowd reaction after they played "This Strange Engine".  (And, keep in mind, this was NOT the end of the set... they just pretty much had to stop for a bit because the crowd wouldn't let up.  This went on for like 3 or 4 minutes).  It was (eventually) followed by Neverland...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E7eF4MEhTk
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 06, 2011, 04:28:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TQGaBYSx1c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TQGaBYSx1c)

Just amazing.  Makes me teary.  :)

There were tears of joy (just wow) until he ruined it by singing.

WHY? There was no reason for him to sing that. Does it always have to be about him?

I can't even imagine what that would have been like if the crowd alone just sung the whole song. What would have been wrong with that?


Despite that, it must have been one hell of a vibe.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on April 06, 2011, 05:06:01 PM
WHY? There was no reason for him to sing that. Does it always have to be about him?

Well he IS the lead singer of the band now.  Its kind of his job to sing stuff, crazy as that sounds.  And its always cool to hear H's take on Fish stuff, and that song is really the only Fish song they play with any regularity now, right? 

I mean, H CAN let the crowd sing stuff.  There's a youtube video somewhere with the band playing Wish You Were Here, the crowd started singing along REALLY loudly, and he just smiled and walked off the stage.  So quit yer whining.  H > Fish anyways.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 06, 2011, 05:37:04 PM
WHY? There was no reason for him to sing that. Does it always have to be about him?

Well he IS the lead singer of the band now.  Its kind of his job to sing stuff, crazy as that sounds.  And its always cool to hear H's take on Fish stuff, and that song is really the only Fish song they play with any regularity now, right? 

I mean, H CAN let the crowd sing stuff.  There's a youtube video somewhere with the band playing Wish You Were Here, the crowd started singing along REALLY loudly, and he just smiled and walked off the stage.  So quit yer whining.  H > Fish anyways.

They really don't play ANY pre-89 stuff with regularity (that I know of). He did it a lot more during the first few tours with Marillion.  I'm not saying he has no right to sing that (Well, I am, but that's not really my point). The way it started, it was going to be the most beautiful thing ever and he could have acknowledged that and just let it be. That's all I'm saying.

Hell, at NEARfest in 2008 Fish was singing that and I wished he would have shut his yap during the song too. (But then I'm into audience participation)


Not getting into the Hogarth-Fish "debate."
It's been over 20 years now and Nick will take more enjoyment from his Fish>H argument than I will because half of the time, I have no problem with Hogarth anyway.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on April 06, 2011, 05:59:44 PM
I'm sure the people who were there had no problem with Hogarth singing the song.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jonny108 on April 07, 2011, 04:22:10 PM
I  :heart Marillion.  I think they may have just moved up a spot on my favourite bands.  I just looooove them so much.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on April 11, 2011, 05:05:16 PM
Just got back from Marillion Weekend in Montreal.  Holy crap.  Night 1 was "Holidays in Eden", plus B-sides and a few others.  Night 2 was an "A to Z" setlist, where they played one song starting with each letter from A - Z, with the exceptions of I (for "Intermission") and X (for "X-tra Intermission).  For "Z" they played a medley of Separated Out, Black Dog and Kashmir, which they called "Zeparated Out".  Night 3 was a sort of "choose-your-own-set" setlist, where for each spot in the set, they'd give us a choice between two songs and we'd have to vote for one.  Although for the encore, we had to choose between "The Great Escape" and "Easter", but everybody kept chanting "Both" until they caved.  Earlier in the night, we had to choose between "This Strange Engine" and "Ocean Cloud", and Ocean Cloud won, but just barely, and the crowd kept demanding This Strange Engine... so after the band had played Easter and left the stage, the house lights came back on, the house music started played and people started filing out... but then they retook the stage for an impromptu 4th encore and played This Strange Engine.  Holy awesome.

Full setlists here: https://betterwayoflife.wordpress.com/

Oh, and p.s. ~ h told us they're planning a US tour for Summer 2012.  :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on April 11, 2011, 05:59:57 PM
Sounds like a good time.  I haven't seen them since Brave, and was only my second time, having seen them on Clutching at Straws too.

And I will kindly stay out of the whole Hogarth vs Fish thingy.  They are two different bands with each singer, and both have their plusses and minuses.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on April 11, 2011, 06:13:21 PM
SUMMER TOUR?

ITS NEVER GOING TO COME ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE SOUTH BUT HOLY DAMN THE POSSIBILITY THAT IT COULD HAS ME GIDDY.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on April 11, 2011, 09:29:27 PM
US SUMMER TOUR IN 2012?!?!? AHHHHHHHHHH!! YESSSSS!!!!...*ahem*...

Hopefully (and probably) in support of their upcoming album?

I look forward to seeing them, if I can scrounge up the cash for tickets and if a show is near enough (although anything in MD, VA or PA would be great!).

Also, I cannot wait to get the 2011 Weekend DVD/CDs from RacketRecords, whenever they eventually decide to release them. Between all three nights, each of Marbles's three epics was played as well as "This Strange Engine" and many more great classics!

Good stuff and I hope they release the 2011 Weekend stuff pretty soon!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: DarkEternalNight on April 11, 2011, 10:43:10 PM
It seems as if I do this in every band thread but which Marillion album should I check out first?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on April 12, 2011, 05:50:27 AM
Marbles
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jonny108 on April 12, 2011, 06:50:39 AM
Clutching at Straws or Script for a Jester's Tear.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 15, 2011, 03:40:02 PM
Sounds like Marillion weekend was a hit (Still recovering from Rush weekend myself)

A tour in 2012 would be nice provided the new album is strong (if there is one).

I just stumbled on the Live in Cadogan Hall CD set at a record show last week. Only listened to it a few times, but the second disc is much better than the first one and I didn't like some of the rearrangments of a few songs. One being The Space. Very mellow recording in any case. I actually liked what they did with Hard as Love here.  I really didn't like it on Brave and it just seems to have a lot more depth and sincerity here. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on May 19, 2011, 04:14:07 PM
Bumping this up for two reasons - I could use more voters in my Marillion Survivor!!! I know there are more than 3-4 Marillion fans here, so if you can take a few minutes every other day to vote in my Survivor, that would be awesome! We're about half-way through Holidays In Eden, which I'll admit is one of the weaker of the band's first 4 albums with H, but it's still got some good stuff on it.

Also, I bought the Marillion Friday Night Live CD set, and when I purchased the CDs on Racket, they said the slipcase for the whole set (3 shows) had sold out, it was to my pleasant surprise to find my package had contained the slipcase for the 3 jewel cases! Bonus! I haven't had a chance to listen to them yet, but it should be some good stuff considering they LOVE to play whole albums! I'm just glad they've released them on CD now!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 20, 2011, 06:53:30 AM
UK Christmas shows in December! Whoo! It's been a long time!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jonny108 on May 20, 2011, 09:04:00 AM
 :metal I'll be at Manchester!  :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on May 28, 2011, 09:01:37 AM
Re-bump for updating my Survivor and discussion about Brave! What's everyone's thoughts on this concept album? Do you like or even understand the story? What about the music?

Share your thoughts here and please vote in my Survivor! I hope because Brave is one of the band's more well-known albums that I'll get more than 3-4 votes per round this time! :tup

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on May 28, 2011, 10:39:36 AM
I do like Brave, but I don't think I've listened to it in about a year.  I'll change that soon.  It was one of the albums, along with SFAM that got me into prog and modern music in the first place, so its a pretty important album for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 28, 2011, 10:17:28 PM
Re-bump for updating my Survivor and discussion about Brave! What's everyone's thoughts on this concept album? Do you like or even understand the story? What about the music?

Share your thoughts here and please vote in my Survivor! I hope because Brave is one of the band's more well-known albums that I'll get more than 3-4 votes per round this time! :tup

-Marc.

I guess I'll be THAT guy again.

This album turned me from being an absolute Marillion fanatic (and collector) to just a fan.

Brave puts me to sleep (The version on Made Again is a slight improvement). I've always respected the attempt at the time to try something different but this album does nothing for me. I suppose you could make the argument that it was necessary to get to albums like This Strange Engine,  Radiat10n, or even Somewhere Else.

I also thought that the "story" could be told more economically.  I don't really like much of what Rothery is doing on this album either, which is kind of rare for me.

I don't get much passion or inspiration from that album. I still listen to it about once a year since its release to see if it clicks or I missed something, but it just doesn't happen for me.  (I even watched the video a few times and that didn't convert me either)

Brave and Afraid of Sunlight are the only Marillion albums I have not totally gotten into.  I pretty much love the rest of them (although Less is More isn't much better either).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on June 04, 2011, 03:24:21 PM
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Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on June 04, 2011, 05:37:55 PM
WAT

WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on June 04, 2011, 06:24:38 PM
"Marbles on vinyl"

AFAIK, the track listing on the vinyl version of Marbles is the 1CD track list, and omits the best song on the album, "Ocean Cloud" :-[

It *looks* pretty neat, though! :tup

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on June 06, 2011, 01:57:28 PM
WAT

WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?

They announced it a couple of months ago.  Pre-ordered it back then, but it just finally shipped this week.

"Marbles on vinyl"

AFAIK, the track listing on the vinyl version of Marbles is the 1CD track list, and omits the best song on the album, "Ocean Cloud" :-[

It *looks* pretty neat, though! :tup

-Marc.

Yeah, I'm a little bummed that it's the 1-disc version, but the 1-disc version on vinyl is better than no vinyl at all.

Also, the best song on the album is Neverland, not Ocean Cloud.  :P
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: toro on June 06, 2011, 02:19:59 PM
*Sexy vinyl*

HHNNNNNNNNGGGGG
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tgstk2 on June 06, 2011, 03:25:57 PM
Allthough marilion has great songs with H and hes great sttl marillion with fish is what counts for me.
That era the music the artwork...more than aweome.

Forgotten sons ....do i need to say more?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 06, 2011, 05:14:53 PM
Allthough marilion has great songs with H and hes great sttl marillion with fish is what counts for me.
That era the music the artwork...more than aweome.

Forgotten sons ....do i need to say more?
Love Forgottten Son's. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 10, 2011, 07:49:30 PM
Allthough marilion has great songs with H and hes great sttl marillion with fish is what counts for me.
That era the music the artwork...more than aweome.

Forgotten sons ....do i need to say more?
Love Forgottten Son's. :hefdaddy

I'm not getting drawn into the Fish/Hogarth thing, but the best version of Forgotten Sons I think I've ever heard was from the Recital of Script recording. There are some other great ones from those years that are nearly as good, but I've always thought that one was the best.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on August 21, 2011, 04:54:08 PM
Hey guys! I know some of you are big fans of Marbles more so than any other H-Era albums, so I'd like to let it be known that my Marillion Survivor will be starting Marbles this evening! Check out the Polls/Survivors Forum tonight (after 9:00-9:30pm US Eastern Time) for the first round! I've been looking forward to this all year, since I started the survivor back in March!

Hope to see a few more fans/voters there!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: chknptpie on August 24, 2011, 09:39:02 AM
So I randomly put on VH1 classic the other day and High Voltage 2010 was on. I didn't recognize the song that just started or the band. Come to find out it was Marillion - Neverland. Wow what a song! Why did I think most people told me the Fish era stuff was the best? Does the rest of the album suck in comparison?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on August 24, 2011, 09:40:55 AM
People who say Fish era is the best are either old fans who are nostalgic for the old "let's try to sound like Genesis did!" style or they're lying to you.  "Neverland" is my favorite Marillion song and one of my favorite songs ever, and the rest of the album isn't as good as the song, but it is their best album and chock full of goodies.  So get the double-disc version if you can find it.  NOW.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 24, 2011, 06:13:35 PM
People who say Fish era is the best are either old fans who are nostalgic for the old "let's try to sound like Genesis did!" style or they're lying to you.  "Neverland" is my favorite Marillion song and one of my favorite songs ever, and the rest of the album isn't as good as the song, but it is their best album and chock full of goodies.  So get the double-disc version if you can find it.  NOW.

Aside from Grendel and some bits of the Script album, I just don't hear the Genesis influence (Besides Fish-Marillion>Gabriel-Genesis).

Neverland is awesome especially live -- as is the rest of Marbles (As is anything Fish ever did with Marillion....as is tradition).


By the way, Neverland will be on again seven hours from now at about 3:15 a.m. on VH-Classic (along with Transatlantic and Emerson, Lake and Palmer).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: elyster on October 25, 2011, 09:29:55 AM
US Tour Dates Announced -

10 June
Sun Washington DC
USA 9:30 Club

12 June
Tues New York City
USA Irving Plaza

13 June
Weds New York City
USA Irving Plaza

15 June
Fri Philadelphia
USA TLA

16 June
Sat Boston
USA Paradise Rock Club

18 June
Mon Quebec
Canada Imperial

19 June
Tues Montréal
Canada L'Olympia

20 June
Weds Toronto
Canada The Opera House

22 June
Fri Chicago
USA Park West

23 June
Sat Chicago
USA Park West

27 June
Weds Los Angeles
USA House Of Blues

28 June
Thurs Los Angeles
USA House Of Blues

29 June
Fri San Francisco
USA The Fillmore

The 2 shows in Chicago, LA and NY will be two completely different set lists.

Chicago here I come!!     :tup

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on October 25, 2011, 09:53:12 AM
US Tour Dates Announced -

10 June
Sun Washington DC
USA 9:30 Club

Soooooo saving up for this!!! It'll be a once-in-a-lifetime chance! I've missed many chances to see many of my favorite bands come through the area (TA, DT, Neal Morse, and many more), but since Marillion don't tour through the US often (once a decade? :lol), this can't possibly be missed!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Jaq on October 25, 2011, 02:24:45 PM
US Tour Dates Announced -

10 June
Sun Washington DC
USA 9:30 Club

Soooooo saving up for this!!! It'll be a once-in-a-lifetime chance! I've missed many chances to see many of my favorite bands come through the area (TA, DT, Neal Morse, and many more), but since Marillion don't tour through the US often (once a decade? :lol), this can't possibly be missed!

-Marc.

I was just talking to my sister about bands that I've never seen and the one that would make me happiest would be Marillion. I am SO going to this date.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 25, 2011, 05:33:21 PM
Philly is automatic.  (I guess a NEARfest gig isn't happening)

Irving Plaza not so much, even given the temptation on unique sets.


I still have to save for Rush, Dream Theater and any other 2012 surprises that might happen next year.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on October 27, 2011, 02:53:54 PM
Man... I wish the NYC show was somewhere better than Irving Plaza... but whatever.  I'll be there both night.  Fo' shizzle.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on October 28, 2011, 12:13:17 AM
So yeah I wasn't really expecting them not to but Marillion is staying the hell away from the south. :(  Maybe I can schedule a vacation to visit my cousin who lives in the city and catch Marillion while I'm there.  This is a once-in-a-lifetime thing and I'd really hate to miss it...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 28, 2011, 12:56:06 AM
USA House Of Blues

29 June
Fri San Francisco
USA The Fillmore



Hmmm, might have to mark that date on the old calender. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: InfraredDream on October 28, 2011, 01:35:02 AM
Everything is too far from me unfortunatelly. Considering SF or NY because there are 2 shows there. SF would be cheaper airfare and as we are 4, that makes quite a difference.
I am very happy the tour is happening and for many of you it will be easy  :heart
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on October 28, 2011, 07:24:43 AM
People who say Fish era is the best are either old fans who are nostalgic for the old "let's try to sound like Genesis did!" style or they're lying to you.  "Neverland" is my favorite Marillion song and one of my favorite songs ever, and the rest of the album isn't as good as the song, but it is their best album and chock full of goodies.  So get the double-disc version if you can find it.  NOW.

Quite frankly, I'd say that's bullshit. :p

I prefer the Fish style but I'm obviously not nostalgic, and while I think Fish naturally sounds a bit like Peter Gabriel I think saying they simply sound like Genesis is a stretch. And as YtseRush pointed out, Fish-era Marillion is better than Gabriel-era Genesis anyway. I've just never gotten into H as much or the material I've heard with H other than Season's End.

HOWEVER.

Neverland is indeed a FANTASTIC song, and probably my favorite that I've heard post-Season's End.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on October 28, 2011, 07:42:59 AM
A. Learn to respond to posts faster you halfwit. :loser:
Two. Fish's voice does sound a bit like a scottish Gabriel, but the music sounds very much like an 80s version of prog-Genesis as well.
3. That was more or less an exaggeration on my part (I thought that was clear with the addition of "or they're lying to you") :P.
IV. but not by much, actually.  Most prog sites and youtube comments about Marillion boil down to how they're so sad Fish left and how much they liked the old, more proggier sound compared to the more alternative sound Marillion has today. 
E. I don't really care to compare Genesis to Marillion since Peter Gabriel solo is better than both of those groups put together.  :biggrin:

Plus, you fail anyways, so your opinion is invalid!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on October 28, 2011, 08:22:59 AM
H > Fish.

The end.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: InfraredDream on October 28, 2011, 01:25:54 PM
H > Fish.

I am an h fan myself, I became HUGE fan because of h actually. But this debate obviously will go forever...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on October 28, 2011, 02:27:25 PM
H > Fish.

The end.

Even the law agrees with me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on October 28, 2011, 02:29:38 PM
H > Fish.

The end.

Even the law agrees with me.

But you don't even agree with yourself!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. DTVT on October 28, 2011, 02:35:40 PM
US Tour Dates Announced -

10 June
Sun Washington DC
USA 9:30 Club

Soooooo saving up for this!!!...this can't possibly be missed!

-Marc.

This show just became a very high priority for me.

While I'm here, Fish era > H era just based on consistancy.  All the Fish era albums are very good or better.  Same can't be said of H era, or to make things more fair, any four album run in H era.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on October 28, 2011, 02:53:14 PM
You can't really judge consistency with those two eras though.  You have four albums from Fish (2 of which are amazing, 2 of which are average, IMO) and what, 11 from Hogarth?  Yeah there are going to be a few duds.  h gave us Season's End, Marbles, Happiness is the Road, Marillion.com, Anoraknophobia, Brave, and Afraid of Sunlight.  I'd say that puts h above Fish easily.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on October 28, 2011, 03:06:38 PM
You can't really judge consistency with those two eras though.  You have four albums from Fish (2 of which are amazing, 2 of which are average, IMO) and what, 11 from Hogarth?  Yeah there are going to be a few duds.  h gave us Season's End, Marbles, Happiness is the Road, Marillion.com, Anoraknophobia, Brave, and Afraid of Sunlight.  I'd say that puts h above Fish easily.

You contradict yourself.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on October 29, 2011, 10:08:59 AM
I thought he was referring to "consistency" as like a string of fantastic albums.  As far as I'm concerned neither era really has that. 

Also, how do you like my new personal text?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on October 29, 2011, 01:23:07 PM
h gave us Season's End, Marbles, Happiness is the Road, Marillion.com, Anoraknophobia, Brave, and Afraid of Sunlight.

I'm saddened this list does not contain This Strange Engine.  Probably my favorite after Marbles...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 29, 2011, 03:21:33 PM
Actually Fish sounds and is more influenced by Peter Hammill than Gabriel. I pretty sure he's even admitted that.


While I'd say Fish has been more consistently great (in terms of my listening experience) There are some great albums made after the split too. (Seasons End, Holidays In Eden, This Strange Engine, Marbles and Radiat10n being among my favorites.)




That said I can never get enough of a Marillion live when Fish was in the band. It's just otherworldly (Listen to anything off of Early Stages or The Curtain Call Boxes for starters).

That magic happens with Hogarth too, but not as often. (See the Marbles Tour show from Philly in 2004 that I was forutnate to attend that was released on the fan club label)


That said, I'm not (again) being drawn into the Fish-Hogarth thing.  (F'n Brad Richards!) It was very painful when it happened (until I bought Vigil and Seasons End) and other than hoping that Fish would find another Rothery (which I don't think he ever found) I've been pretty happy how it all turned out (well, except for Brave, Afraid of Sunlight and Less Is More.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: toro on October 29, 2011, 06:58:14 PM
I just came here to say that I love "Angelina".  :heart :heart :heart :heart
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on October 30, 2011, 10:07:29 AM
Man... I wish the NYC show was somewhere better than Irving Plaza... but whatever.  I'll be there both night.  Fo' shizzle.
Never been there, but I will do both nights for sure!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on October 30, 2011, 01:27:05 PM
It's ok, it's just not set up very well, and is always oversold.  This show will obviously sell out, so chances are it'll be pretty uncomfortable in there :(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on October 31, 2011, 07:15:31 AM
It's ok, it's just not set up very well, and is always oversold.  This show will obviously sell out, so chances are it'll be pretty uncomfortable in there :(

Obviously? I don't understand why, if Marillion has a strong enough draw to sell that place out so easily, this is the first tour in forever of America.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on October 31, 2011, 08:41:44 AM
It's ok, it's just not set up very well, and is always oversold.  This show will obviously sell out, so chances are it'll be pretty uncomfortable in there :(

Obviously? I don't understand why, if Marillion has a strong enough draw to sell that place out so easily, this is the first tour in forever of America.

The last half of your sentence answers the first half of your sentence.

Their lack of touring in America hasn't really been due to their inability to draw a crowd.  It's been due to their inability to convince promoters that they can draw a crowd, and because of the incredibly high cost to them of coming over here.  They haven't toured North America in 8 years.  Fans have been begging for a North American tour over here forever... and they finally get one, and it's only 13 dates in 9 cities.  All the fans who have been waiting all this time are going to find a way to make it to one or two of these shows, and Irving Plaza isn't exactly a huge venue.  I'd be fairly shocked if they don't sell out.  Especially in New York City.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on October 31, 2011, 08:57:53 AM
It's ok, it's just not set up very well, and is always oversold.  This show will obviously sell out, so chances are it'll be pretty uncomfortable in there :(

Obviously? I don't understand why, if Marillion has a strong enough draw to sell that place out so easily, this is the first tour in forever of America.

The last half of your sentence answers the first half of your sentence.

Their lack of touring in America hasn't really been due to their inability to draw a crowd.  It's been due to their inability to convince promoters that they can draw a crowd, and because of the incredibly high cost to them of coming over here.  They haven't toured North America in 8 years.  Fans have been begging for a North American tour over here forever... and they finally get one, and it's only 13 dates in 9 cities.  All the fans who have been waiting all this time are going to find a way to make it to one or two of these shows, and Irving Plaza isn't exactly a huge venue.  I'd be fairly shocked if they don't sell out.  Especially in New York City.
How you think they were fare if they played a place like the Beacon? Do you think they would fill the room for one night?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on October 31, 2011, 09:01:14 AM
Hmm... idunno... Beacon is a lot bigger.  Irving Plaza is about 1,200, while the Beacon is close to 3,000.  The thing about 2 nights at Irving Plaza is that a good chunk of the people going will probably be going both nights, so it's not really like they're selling to 2,400 people... it's more like they're selling to 1,200 people twice.  3,000 is a much bigger number.  I think they would do OK there, but I don't think they'd sell it out.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on October 31, 2011, 09:05:40 AM
Frankly I think the promoters are right. Even given the long wait I don't think they will sell out Irving Plaza.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on October 31, 2011, 05:56:02 PM
Frankly I think the promoters are right. Even given the long wait I don't think they will sell out Irving Plaza.
That's a hard one to calculate. I could see it either way. Its hard to really know how much of a fan base they have after 8 years. I mean sure, were excited, but were a bunch of prog nerds.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on November 01, 2011, 08:29:31 AM
NYC Ticket = bought.  :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lark the Starless on November 01, 2011, 09:16:03 AM
I'll be seeing them in LA on June 27th!  :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on November 01, 2011, 06:45:34 PM
Got tickets for both NYC shows. There was no two day pass available so I bought both shows individually.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on November 02, 2011, 08:13:27 AM
Pre-sale for the two day passes sold out that quickly?  Damn... was it more expensive to buy them as two separate tickets?  The two-day pass I think was $116 after fees...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on November 02, 2011, 08:19:12 AM
Pre-sale for the two day passes sold out that quickly?  Damn... was it more expensive to buy them as two separate tickets?  The two-day pass I think was $116 after fees...
Yay, it was more expensive. It was $139 to buy both shows separate. I waited 8 years, that wasn't going to stop me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on November 02, 2011, 08:22:17 AM
I feel a good DTF pre-show meetup coming on (No Nicks allowed!)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on November 02, 2011, 08:33:00 AM
I feel a good DTF pre-show meetup coming on (No Nicks allowed!)
These shows are going to rock! This is going to be like a Marillion weekend only in the middle of the week!  :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on November 02, 2011, 09:48:57 AM
And with a much shorter commute...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 02, 2011, 04:31:03 PM
Hey folks, I wanna get a Marillion album but have no idea where to break my Marill-hymen. First album to get three mentions will be my pick...GO!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on November 02, 2011, 04:51:08 PM
Hey folks, I wanna get a Marillion album but have no idea where to break my Marill-hymen. First album to get three mentions will be my pick...GO!
I'd go Marbles first.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on November 02, 2011, 05:03:00 PM
Hey folks, I wanna get a Marillion album but have no idea where to break my Marill-hymen. First album to get three mentions will be my pick...GO!
I'd go Marbles first.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on November 02, 2011, 06:11:31 PM
Marbles
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 02, 2011, 06:18:51 PM
I am listening to Misplaced Childhood right now and I am happy as a clam.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lark the Starless on November 02, 2011, 07:01:21 PM
Looks like Marbles won it. I recommend the Fish era albums first and then make your way to the H era albums second.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 02, 2011, 07:23:23 PM
Got Marbles, will listen at some point tonight and, if I have some good things to say, will report back. Thanks for the suggestions y'all :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on November 02, 2011, 08:21:01 PM
FYI - There are two versions of Marbles.  Make sure you've got the full, 2-disc version...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on November 02, 2011, 08:39:30 PM
FYI - There are two versions of Marbles.  Make sure you've got the full, 2-disc version...

This. Make sure your copy of Marbles has a track titled "Ocean Cloud". It's 17 minutes of awesome EPIC.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on November 02, 2011, 08:55:36 PM
There are two versions of Marbles. Be sure to forgo both in favor of Fish era material.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 02, 2011, 09:18:35 PM
FYI - There are two versions of Marbles.  Make sure you've got the full, 2-disc version...

Like duuhhh, whadaya think I've lost my marbles or something? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 03, 2011, 02:25:33 AM
Alrighty, I'm up to The Only Unforgivable Thing so far and really dig the music but don't much care for the vocals. A little thin and weak for my taste but I can just add these guys to the army of bands I listen to in spite of the vocals so I don't see that stopping me from delving further into their discography. Thanks for the help y'all.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on November 03, 2011, 05:55:14 AM
There are two versions of Marbles. Be sure to forgo both in favor of Fish era material.
Hogarth era Marillion is more mature and has more depth then the early stuff. Fish era Marillion is classic but sounds dated. I like it alot but if you want to be a Marillion fan in 2011 you should buy Hogarth era stuff first. This is my humble opinion. I love Hogarth, and he is the man live!
I saw Fish solo last year. It was an awesome show, and I love solo Fish.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on November 03, 2011, 07:47:46 AM
Alrighty, I'm up to The Only Unforgivable Thing so far and really dig the music but don't much care for the vocals. A little thin and weak for my taste but I can just add these guys to the army of bands I listen to in spite of the vocals so I don't see that stopping me from delving further into their discography. Thanks for the help y'all.

Really?  Weird... H is one of my favorite singers... love his voice.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 03, 2011, 10:30:59 AM
There are two versions of Marbles. Be sure to forgo both in favor of Fish era material.

I agree 100% with this.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 03, 2011, 09:47:27 PM
The one show in Philly will have to do.

Jive Nation is getting enough of my money.



Irving Plaza will be VERY close to sold out if not sold out, but it will be the day of the show before it happens. I'd guess at least 75 percent of the crowd will be there for both nights anyway.

I don't think Marillion comes close to filling the Beacon. They have their niche and it isn't big enough to fill the Beacon unless you get another band with a similar following on the bill.

The two night stands in major cities will allow the band to at least break even on this tour. It think it's a solid business decision.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on November 04, 2011, 06:58:26 AM
The one show in Philly will have to do.

Jive Nation is getting enough of my money.



Irving Plaza will be VERY close to sold out if not sold out, but it will be the day of the show before it happens. I'd guess at least 75 percent of the crowd will be there for both nights anyway.

I don't think Marillion comes close to filling the Beacon. They have their niche and it isn't big enough to fill the Beacon unless you get another band with a similar following on the bill.

The two night stands in major cities will allow the band to at least break even on this tour. It think it's a solid business decision.
I agree that they wouldn't fill the beacon. I guess I'm such a big fan I feel like the world is missing out on one of its truly great bands.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on November 05, 2011, 07:29:29 AM
I'm rediscovering "Happiness Is The Road". I'm finding a new appreciation for it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on November 05, 2011, 10:15:07 AM
There are two versions of Marbles. Be sure to forgo both in favor of Fish era material.
Hogarth era Marillion is more mature and has more depth then the early stuff. Fish era Marillion is classic but sounds dated. I like it alot but if you want to be a Marillion fan in 2011 you should buy Hogarth era stuff first. This is my humble opinion. I love Hogarth, and he is the man live!

Am I...agreeing with Tick?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on November 05, 2011, 02:46:19 PM
I'm rediscovering "Happiness Is The Road". I'm finding a new appreciation for it.

The title track of that album is one of the best show closers ever.  They closed Night 1 of the 2009 Montreal Marillion weekend with that song... it ended with the crowd chanting the "Happiness issssssss.... the road!" part over and over again.  First singing along with H.  Then singing along to just the music.  Then singing along after the band had stopped playing and were taking their bows.  Then singing along for like another 5 minutes after the band left the stage for the night.  It was such a cool experience.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 06, 2011, 08:06:40 PM
Although I may not be the biggest H fan, I did listen to Easter today and it was pretty damn good.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on November 06, 2011, 08:21:34 PM
Easter is an amazing song.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on November 07, 2011, 05:20:22 AM
There are two versions of Marbles. Be sure to forgo both in favor of Fish era material.
Hogarth era Marillion is more mature and has more depth then the early stuff. Fish era Marillion is classic but sounds dated. I like it alot but if you want to be a Marillion fan in 2011 you should buy Hogarth era stuff first. This is my humble opinion. I love Hogarth, and he is the man live!

Am I...agreeing with Tick?
I don't know, are you? You are scaring me greatly. :omg:
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Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 11, 2011, 06:44:25 PM
Although I may not be the biggest H fan, I did listen to Easter today and it was pretty damn good.

Easter is amazing, as is most of the Seasons End album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on December 16, 2011, 02:28:25 PM
My car's cd player has died so I dug out a box of cassettes. Season's End was in it and I've played it over and over in the last couple of days. I have not up to this point been a fan of the H era. Initially I missed Fish and I found H's voice to be weak and starined, and, to be honest, a bit bloody miserable. After Brave I gave up.
Saying that I really enjoyed playing Season's End. I could hear Fish singing these songs in my head. Anyway, it made me check out some more recent stuff that I'd just ignored. Marbles appears to be something of a fantastic album. Going to have to delve a bit deeper. Seems I've missed some great music.

Hooks In You rocks though...  :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: kingshmegland on December 16, 2011, 03:12:35 PM
My wife wants to see Marillion so we're going in June. Last time I saw them was backing up Rush on the Power Windows eour when they did from start to finish, Misplaced Childhood.  Can't wait to see them again.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on December 16, 2011, 08:40:44 PM
Just an update - my Marillion Survivor has reached the Finals! Look for it in the Polls/Survivors forum here and vote please!  :tup

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 18, 2011, 08:06:43 PM
My wife wants to see Marillion so we're going in June. Last time I saw them was backing up Rush on the Power Windows eour when they did from start to finish, Misplaced Childhood.  Can't wait to see them again.

Master-of-the-obvious-guy says not to expect the same concert. (Don't expect any Fish songs.)

 You should enjoy it once they kick it into gear though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: kingshmegland on December 19, 2011, 04:46:48 AM
I have all their albums post Fish era so I'm really looking forward to seeing them live in a long, long time.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: kingshmegland on December 22, 2011, 04:26:10 PM
BTW.  How many of you Marillion fans have the B'Sides Themselves CD?  I was going through my collection and I never put this on my I-Pod.  I'm doing that tonight.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on December 24, 2011, 12:34:03 PM
I don't have it, but aren't most or all of those tracks on the various bonus discs for the remasters
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 24, 2011, 02:57:32 PM
BTW.  How many of you Marillion fans have the B'Sides Themselves CD?  I was going through my collection and I never put this on my I-Pod.  I'm doing that tonight.

Great album! (Just put the slab of vinyl on last week)

I think the lion's share of those songs were scattered over bonus discs of the remasters CDs, but I think there was one or two that didn't make it on those. I'd have to check, but the ones that didn't are probably on the Fish singles box.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: kingshmegland on December 24, 2011, 08:38:27 PM
Boy, I checked out the opening band, Sun Domingo's website.  I like their songs.  I need to check out more of them.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 27, 2011, 04:44:28 PM
Just got Trewavas' side project Edisons Children (well my wife did) in the mail a few days ago, but I/we haven't had the chance to listen to it yet.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on January 14, 2012, 12:50:24 AM
Just got Trewavas' side project Edisons Children (well my wife did) in the mail a few days ago, but I/we haven't had the chance to listen to it yet.

Oh the irony.  Just saw the side project on the IQ forums, did some research, got interested, and came to DTF to get a review.  Went through 4 pages of Marillion thread, only to see this as the last post.   :lol

Reviews seem good, I'd like to know the consensus, though I'll probably buy it anyways.


EDIT: Fuck it, I bought it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 19, 2012, 03:26:18 PM
Just got Trewavas' side project Edisons Children (well my wife did) in the mail a few days ago, but I/we haven't had the chance to listen to it yet.

Oh the irony.  Just saw the side project on the IQ forums, did some research, got interested, and came to DTF to get a review.  Went through 4 pages of Marillion thread, only to see this as the last post.   :lol

Reviews seem good, I'd like to know the consensus, though I'll probably buy it anyways.


EDIT: Fuck it, I bought it.

I like it a lot.

Goes to many places, only a few of which Marillion have ever been.

But perhaps we're the only two here that have it now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. DTVT on January 19, 2012, 05:09:22 PM
If I had known about it I would have been all over it.  It will have to wait though...gravy train is running a little dry.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on January 19, 2012, 09:45:37 PM
Just got Trewavas' side project Edisons Children (well my wife did) in the mail a few days ago, but I/we haven't had the chance to listen to it yet.

Oh the irony.  Just saw the side project on the IQ forums, did some research, got interested, and came to DTF to get a review.  Went through 4 pages of Marillion thread, only to see this as the last post.   :lol

Reviews seem good, I'd like to know the consensus, though I'll probably buy it anyways.


EDIT: Fuck it, I bought it.

I like it a lot.

Goes to many places, only a few of which Marillion have ever been.

But perhaps we're the only two here that have it now.

It's pretty good, haven't given it a thorough listen to yet, just breeze over it a couple of times.  I will wait till I do it proper justice before passing official judgement on it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on January 27, 2012, 07:42:31 AM
Just a heads up to anyone here reading this - my Marillion survivor is down to the TOP TEN songs!!! (Well, tomorrow night it will be).

Up in the voting right now -

Incubus
Seasons End
The Great Escape
Afraid Of Sunlight
House
Neverland
The Invisible Man
Happiness Is The Road
Trap The Spark
Ocean Cloud
Berlin

And it seems "Trap The Spark" will be voted out, leaving ten left! I'd like to see a few more voters and votes for the Top Ten as I round this (extremely) long survivor toward the finish line!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 27, 2012, 11:51:00 PM
Apparently, nobody listens to the first four studio albums....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on January 28, 2012, 04:35:42 PM
Or H just has better songs overall. :D
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 31, 2012, 03:12:37 PM
Or H just has better songs overall. :D
A few anyway....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on January 31, 2012, 06:37:34 PM
Apparently, nobody listens to the first four studio albums....

They made albums after Fish left?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. DTVT on January 31, 2012, 07:01:37 PM

Incubus
Seasons End
The Great Escape
Afraid Of Sunlight
House
Neverland
The Invisible Man
Happiness Is The Road
Trap The Spark
Ocean Cloud
Berlin


> no Sugar Mice

List invalid.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 31, 2012, 07:01:49 PM
Apparently, nobody listens to the first four studio albums....

They made albums after Fish left?

You took the words right out of my mouth.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on January 31, 2012, 07:02:49 PM
So I've been meaning to listen to this band, and I noticed that the local music shop just stocked what looked like special edition reissues of several albums like Marillion.com and Marbles for about $19.99 each. These reissues worth getting or should I just buy used copies of them?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. DTVT on January 31, 2012, 07:04:38 PM
If a band is new, getting used is cool way to do it cheap.  If you decide you like them, new is the way to go as it puts money in the band's pocket.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on January 31, 2012, 07:10:57 PM
Yeah, but I just bought SB's Octane cheap and found out that there's a special disc with more songs that wasn't in the edition I bought, so I was just wondering if these reissues had any extras worth having like good bonus tracks or something.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. DTVT on January 31, 2012, 07:22:32 PM
That's different.  That was a special edition, not a re-issue.  I have nothing against reissues, except when they put too much crap on them.  The only one I can think of in the Marillion catalog is make sure you get the 2CD Marbles, and not the 1CD version.  As for the rest, a reissue will have all the originals, so at that point its about price point and your desire to give to the band.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on January 31, 2012, 10:10:01 PM
Reasons to get those two albums:
Marbles - Contains three of their best epics in years ("The Invisible Man", "Ocean Cloud" and "Neverland"), but be sure to get the 2CD version!
marillion.com - Contains 5 tracks produced by Steven Wilson, and has such awesome tracks as "Interior Lulu" and "House"

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on February 01, 2012, 07:11:09 PM
Final Nine, guys! I'd really like some more input and votes from you fans here, especially the H-Era ones!

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=30741.0

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 02, 2012, 04:09:08 AM
Reasons to get those two albums:
Marbles - Contains three of their best epics in years ("The Invisible Man", "Ocean Cloud" and "Neverland"), but be sure to get the 2CD version!
marillion.com - Contains 5 tracks produced by Steven Wilson, and has such awesome tracks as "Interior Lulu" and "House"

-Marc.

Even though I'm not a huge H fan, I have to admit that Ocean Cloud is absolutely amazing, especially at 8:26. The first time I heard that, I almost passed out. it was that damn good. Invisible man is pretty sweet too.

Both tracks are on my H-playlist, along with Easter, which is hands down my favorite Marillion track  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on February 02, 2012, 09:40:33 AM

Incubus
Seasons End
The Great Escape
Afraid Of Sunlight
House
Neverland
The Invisible Man
Happiness Is The Road
Trap The Spark
Ocean Cloud
Berlin


> no Sugar Mice

List invalid.

Honestly, that and Warm Wet Circles are the only Fish songs I'd include in a Marillion top ten.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on February 03, 2012, 02:28:52 PM
Here's a little something for those who like vinyl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhJ5CKBdhdk&feature=related




This is better than drugs....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=0_RyIXkf5-A&feature=fvwp




And this is from the way back machine.....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAvM_F5Bj5Y&feature=related




yeah...I wasted some time today....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on February 08, 2012, 08:29:02 AM
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=30857.0

Finaly 8 Songs, guys...I know there are plenty of fans here, so I'd like to see more than just 2 votes in the last of the Finals rounds if possible.

Also, if you love "Ocean Cloud", you'll vote!!! (For anything other than OC :tup)

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on February 14, 2012, 05:39:50 PM
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=30967.0

Everyone vote for "The Great Escape" so Marbles' three epics can be the Marillion Survivor Top Three!  :lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 15, 2012, 12:54:29 PM
I just bought Happiness Is The Road: pt. 1 and 2, and Somewhere Else. Going to listen to these now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on February 16, 2012, 08:55:42 AM
Happiness is a pretty good album... the title track is an epic way to close a set.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 16, 2012, 09:41:52 AM
I only got through Somewhere Else, it has some cool songs. Happiness, so far is great.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on February 16, 2012, 12:34:09 PM
Yeah, Somewhere Else definitely isn't one of their best albums...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 21, 2012, 07:28:03 PM
So today I finally bought Fugazi and I really like it a lot. It really has a passionate edge to it and I wish I would have gotten it sooner.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on February 22, 2012, 03:30:21 PM
This world... is totally Fugazi!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on February 23, 2012, 07:34:17 AM
So anybody else been following the "favorite song" voting on Marillion's Facebook page?  I wonder if this has anything to do with selecting the setlist for their upcoming US tour....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on February 23, 2012, 07:38:43 AM
So anybody else been following the "favorite song" voting on Marillion's Facebook page?  I wonder if this has anything to do with selecting the setlist for their upcoming US tour....
I have voted everyday. I would assume there is some sort of reason for it. I'm thinking it will probably help shape the set lists.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on February 28, 2012, 12:11:04 AM
Bought a whopping six albums yesterday, as a few were dirt cheap and my local record store rarely has any Marillion:

Script For A Jester's Tear
Misplaced Childhood
Clutching At Straws
Marillion.com
Marbles
Less Is More

Only listened to the first four on the list so far. Not sure if I can get into this band, after everything I've heard, only a few songs from the 80s albums did anything for me, and Marillion.com sounded too much like they were trying to emulate some other 90s band at the time. Maybe it'll take some repeated listens.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on February 28, 2012, 06:57:31 AM
Marbles is pointless unless it's the full 2-disc version with "Ocean Cloud" (and a couple other tracks not included on the 1-disc version). If you don't listen to the full version, you don't get the full effect of the album!

Less Is More is an acoustic re-recording/re-working of older songs (and one new song), so it's really a reader's digest version of H-Era Marillion with simpler arrangements.

As for the Fish-Era albums you got, if you liked those three, definitely get Fugazi, as I think it's their 2nd best of the Fish-Era albums (with Misplaced Childhood as number one).

Marillion.com isn't TOO great, although the last two tracks are amazing, and many of the tracks are produced by Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree/Blackfield/No-Man/etc.etc.

Dot Com falls under a run of albums that sound pretty same-y to me, even as a fan who knows much of the catalog. I put their albums in chunks of four (like Rush, but it just happened to work out that way):
Fish-Era
H-Era 1 (their last four albums with EMI)
H-Era 2 (from This Strange Engine to Anoraknophobia)
H-Era 3 (from Marbles to now)

I would highly suggest Brave and Happiness Is The Road (2CD version). If by THEN you can't get into them, then they're probably just not for you, but at least you gave them a chance! :tup

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on February 28, 2012, 10:52:33 AM
Reading your post, I don't think I should continue.  :lol If Misplaced Childhood is the best of that era, then there's no hope for me. Only liked the first two tracks. And I honestly thought Interior Lulu and House were incredibly boring when I got to that part of the album.

Eh. Different strokes for different folks. But I'll give all of these albums another shot down the road, I promise. And yes, it was the 2-disc version of Marbles I bought. After being told "if you like this band, then you'll love Marillion" so many times, I really want to like them, but it just wasn't doing it for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on February 28, 2012, 12:17:42 PM
Reading your post, I don't think I should continue.  :lol If Misplaced Childhood is the best of that era, then there's no hope for me. Only liked the first two tracks. And I honestly thought Interior Lulu and House were incredibly boring when I got to that part of the album.

Eh. Different strokes for different folks. But I'll give all of these albums another shot down the road, I promise. And yes, it was the 2-disc version of Marbles I bought. After being told "if you like this band, then you'll love Marillion" so many times, I really want to like them, but it just wasn't doing it for me.

I was in your shoes when I first discovered Marillion. It was back in 2005, not long after I started my journey through the world of prog and discovered Transatlantic. When I found out their supergroup status, I sought out albums from their parent bands (other than DT, who I had already been familiar with for over a year). I found Spock's Beard to be most to my liking (and they still are), with The Flower Kings channeling the Genesis/Yes sound, but Marillion was an oddball. I got a few of their albums and the Fish-Era sounded like a cheap Gabriel-Era Genesis knock-off with cheesier 80's synths and over-dramatic vocals, then found their later stuff to be too...well, less what I liked.

After a couple years of hearing more and various prog bands, I went back to Marillion, and took a chronological journey through their discography and discovered their evolution from Genesis-inspired neo-prog to something that became like a melding of their early H-Era sound and Porcupine Tree. Being a fan of PT really helped me appreciate their sound - they're both British, have such unique vocals, and create atmospheres with their music, rather than music full of riffs and flashy virtuosity. Marillion was/is all about mood, atmosphere and emotion, rather than power and speed. Since then, albums like Marbles and Happiness Is The Road have become favorites of mine, and the former even ranks among my Top 10 albums of ALL time.

I think a band like Marillion takes a LOT of time to understand, and deservedly so as their evolving sound really deserves a chronological understand of where they've been, and where they're going. Each album, to me (now), has it's own sound and feel, it's own atmosphere, and you get a sense that each album really has it's own identity, which is brilliant considering only a few of their albums are conceptual (the four Fish-Era albums, Brave, Marbles).

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on February 28, 2012, 12:54:51 PM
I got a few of their albums and the Fish-Era sounded like a cheap Gabriel-Era Genesis knock-off with cheesier 80's synths and over-dramatic vocals, then found their later stuff to be too...well, less what I liked.

Wow. That's nearly word-for-word how I was going to describe the eighties stuff, but I thought I'd be coming off as too harsh. But honestly, it took me a while to "get" Spock's Beard and Transatlantic, so maybe I'm just in the same boat you were (Hell, I bought the King Crimson album Islands with them, and I couldn't stand that either). I'll definitely come back to these, but I think for now they're just going to sit there for a few months, or at least until I've kind of forgotten my initial thoughts on the stuff.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on March 01, 2012, 02:22:50 PM
I got a few of their albums and the Fish-Era sounded like a cheap Gabriel-Era Genesis knock-off with cheesier 80's synths and over-dramatic vocals, then found their later stuff to be too...well, less what I liked.

Wow. That's nearly word-for-word how I was going to describe the eighties stuff, but I thought I'd be coming off as too harsh. But honestly, it took me a while to "get" Spock's Beard and Transatlantic, so maybe I'm just in the same boat you were (Hell, I bought the King Crimson album Islands with them, and I couldn't stand that either). I'll definitely come back to these, but I think for now they're just going to sit there for a few months, or at least until I've kind of forgotten my initial thoughts on the stuff.

I guess you just had to be there at the time. Listening backwards from the modern era it will sound old fashioned. At the time they weren't "cheesy 80s synths", they were the modern stuff.
 The Fish era is all I can really get into. The H era has grown on me recently, and some is very good, but those first albums were awesome. H's voice is the problem for me. He sounds so strained- no power to it.
And give me Fish lyrics any day.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 01, 2012, 06:50:35 PM
So over the past few months I have been kind of struggling to get into the H-era. Wasn't too big into Brave, liked certain parts of Marbles and have been hot and cold with Season's end.

But now for the good news. I just bought Afraid of sunlight 2 days ago and have listened to it 3 times already. With the exception of Cannibal surf Babe I really like this album and I guess its exactly what I wanted out of Hogarth Marillion.

Ultimately, I am trying to get myself ready for this summer Marillion tour, cause I must see them live.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on March 01, 2012, 07:56:29 PM
I love all Marillion albums.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 03, 2012, 01:59:01 PM
Hard as love has been stuck in my head all day. I love that intro.

After about 4 attempts, I am very happy to say that H-era is finally clicking with me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 16, 2012, 02:41:09 PM
I'm craving a little more H-era.

Right now I have:

1. Brave
2. Season's End
3. Marbles
4. Afraid of sunlight

Could you guys recommend where to go next.  Thanks
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 18, 2012, 10:44:26 PM
I'm craving a little more H-era.

Right now I have:

1. Brave
2. Season's End
3. Marbles
4. Afraid of sunlight

Could you guys recommend where to go next.  Thanks

My Hogarth Favorites are:

Seasons End
This Strange Engine
Marbles
Holidays In Eden
Radiat10n

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on March 18, 2012, 10:53:13 PM
I'm craving a little more H-era.

Right now I have:

1. Brave
2. Season's End
3. Marbles
4. Afraid of sunlight

Could you guys recommend where to go next.  Thanks

Those four are probably some of the best H-Era ones, although I would add Anoraknophobia and Happiness Is The Road. If you get through those two next, then toss in Marillion.com and This Strange Engine. After that, all you've got left is Holidays In Eden, Radiat10n, and Somewhere Else, and for me, those are near the bottom-end of the H-Era albums, although each of them have some good tunes.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on March 19, 2012, 06:46:11 AM
Get Happiness is the Road and Anoraknophobia first, then Marillion.com

I really need to get Afraid of Sunlight and This Strange Engine at some point...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on March 21, 2012, 05:37:49 AM
Get Happiness is the Road and Anoraknophobia first, then Marillion.com

I really need to get Afraid of Sunlight and This Strange Engine at some point...
The title track, "This Strange Engine", may be the most epic Marillion song ever! Its an autobiographical tale of Hogarth's childhood and a truly amazing song.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on April 02, 2012, 08:58:26 AM
This just in...

Quote
2 April 2012 - New Album Pre-Order Campaign

After what seems like an AGE to us (and you too, no doubt!) we have decided on the songs which will comprise our next album and we can tell you that the next Marillion album will be titled...

SOUNDS THAT CAN'T BE MADE

Backing tracks are already finished and we're now at the overdub stage (or "the colouring-in"). We have song titles too, but we'll wait just a little longer before announcing those.

We are planning to create exclusive Special Editions of ’Sounds That Can’t Be Made’ which we'll be making available as a PRE-ORDER directly from us through marillion.com

Following the success of previous pre-orders, we plan to make 2 different versions available:

Option 1: Deluxe Campaign Collectors CD Edition
This version will include 128 pages of artwork & lyrics presented in a deluxe hard back book. This collectors edition will also contain an extra DVD disc featuring interviews with the band and a selection of tracks performed live at the Racket Club; all filmed during various stages of the making of the album.

You can Pre-Order the Deluxe Camapign Edition from:
https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/sounds-deluxe.htm

Option 2: The Standard 1CD Release
This version will be a 1CD Jewel case version of the album containing song lyrics & condensed album artwork.

You can Pre-Order the Standard 1CD Edition from:
https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/sounds.htm

When will it be released? What will be on it? When can I order? What about a tour?

Just like previous pre-orders, we have set up a page on our website to answer all of these questions, and will continue to add to the list as we receive feedback from you by email and on our Forum/Facebook pages.

What we CAN tell you though, is that we expect the album to be ready sometime before September 2012 (we can't set a firm release date as our creative process doesn't always run to a timetable..) with an extensive tour planned throughout 2012 and into 2013.

All the tour dates have now been announced and are up on the marillion.com TOUR section. https://www.marillion.com/tour/index.htm

From the US onwards we will perform occasional "2 nighters". These shows will have a completely different set-list across each of the 2 nights. This will happen in the following towns:
New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Amsterdam, Paris, Milan and Barcelona

We have also announced the 2013 dates for our bi-annual Marillion Weekends in Holland, Montreal and the UK! See www.marillionweekend.com for more details.

Phew! We hope we'll see a lot of each other over the coming months.

Okay, back to Sounds That Can't Be Made......

You are able to pre-order the album NOW, and each pre-order for the Deluxe Campaign CD Edition will automatically enter you into a variety of prize draws including:

Sound-check/ front row passes to the 'Sounds That Can’t Be Made' tour, Meet-and-greets, Signed artwork, Your own private Marillion gig PLUS more as we think of them!
Only the first 5000 people to pre-order will appear in the thanks list. (We would thank you all, but we'd need a bigger booklet!)

By being part of the ’Sounds That Can’t be Made’ Pre-Order Campaign you will once again be acting as our "Record Company" by contributing to the recording, manufacture and marketing of the album.
We'd rather make this album with you. We did it before and it was great. When we skipped the pre-order for Somewhere Else we know that many of you felt disappointed that you weren’t part of the ‘whole process’. So it's no longer about the money, it's about the taking-part and a show of faith. This, frankly, blows our minds, and your support means more to us now than ever.

We meet so many bands who are envious of our amazing family around the world and we certainly don't take this for granted. We now find ourselves famous for the "Marillion business model" which is a scream, really, because the term debases what's really going on. We thank you all for being a part of this thing in the past; just as we gratefully acknowledge everyone who will preorder this forthcoming album.

So there you go - the new pre-order!

If you have any QUESTIONS, please, PLEASE go to https://www.marillion.com/preorder/index.htm (where most issues will already be
addressed) before writing to us - it'll be quicker. You can also join the discussions on the Marillion Online Forums (which we constantly monitor) if you have any outstanding queries.

We're very excited about this album - it's taken us some years to ensure it's something special. We hope over the next few weeks and months to thank you for your loyalty - we will try and keep updating you regularly with updates from the studio; both by email and in our new Racket TV Lounge (https://www.marillion.com/tvlounge.htm) on the new and fabulous marillion.com website!


It won't be long, yeah..

h, Ian, Mark, Pete, Steve


You can Pre-Order the Deluxe Camapign Edition from:
https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/sounds-deluxe.htm

You can Pre-Order the Standard 1CD Edition from:
https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/sounds.htm

Can't wait! :metal

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on April 02, 2012, 12:52:08 PM
marilion.com seems to be broken :(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 02, 2012, 12:58:08 PM
marilion.com seems to be broken :(

Yeah it does.  :'(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on April 02, 2012, 01:05:45 PM
marilion.com seems to be broken :(

Yeah it does.  :'(

Apparently the hordes of fans pre-ordering today have broken the site's bandwidth limit and thus, have caused it to shut down for periods at a time.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 02, 2012, 08:28:59 PM
I'm waiting until they know they have their 5,000 and THEN I'm pre-ordering the Deluxe Campaign Edition.



Looks like we'll be hearing some songs live that won't be officially released yet. Cool!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dittomist on April 16, 2012, 02:10:45 PM
I just bought a ticket to see Marillion in San Francisco! I've never traveled so far for a concert before but I can't think of any band more worthy than Marillion. I am so excited to finally see them live!  :)
And because I've been geeking out on their music lately, I couldn't resist making a top 20 Marillion songs video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1gWH0fm6fw
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 28, 2012, 05:51:08 PM
Theirs a Facebook petition for Marilion to get on Jimmy Kimmel Live. I can't post a link but it shouldn't be hard to find as Marilion posted the link on their Facebook page.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on June 06, 2012, 04:02:44 PM
Tour starts this weekend!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 06, 2012, 04:05:32 PM
SF show is the same weekend as DT, gonna be missing it, can't get both days off of work. :(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: kingshmegland on June 06, 2012, 04:15:29 PM
F'ed!!  Wedding Saturday on the same night as Boston. :censored :censored :censored
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on June 06, 2012, 08:48:23 PM
Listen, you can always watch a wedding some other time.  You'll have plenty to go to.  This is Marillion.  In North America for a non-Marillion weekend.  If you don't go I'll never forgive you.

Same with you Lonestar.  DT tours your area all the time.  Go see them (hopefully) play Sugar Mice.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on June 06, 2012, 09:05:19 PM
Can't wait until the concert Tuesday night! Its my last day of school and I'm leaving for New York right when I get out. I wish I could go to the second show as well but I won't be able to make it. I'm really looking forward to the new songs.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 06, 2012, 10:41:07 PM
Listen, you can always watch a wedding some other time.  You'll have plenty to go to.  This is Marillion.  In North America for a non-Marillion weekend.  If you don't go I'll never forgive you.

Same with you Lonestar.  DT tours your area all the time.  Go see them (hopefully) play Sugar Mice.

They will not be playing Sugar Mice (I seriously doubt any Fish songs get played.) I'll send you a vinyl copy of Exit...Stage Left if Sugar Mice does get played on this tour.



Hmm...I still haven't pre-ordered the new album yet. I'd better get on that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on June 06, 2012, 10:45:17 PM
Why wouldn't they?  Its like the only Fish-era song they still play on anywhere close to a regular basis.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on June 06, 2012, 10:59:08 PM
Listen, you can always watch a wedding some other time.  You'll have plenty to go to.  This is Marillion.  In North America for a non-Marillion weekend.  If you don't go I'll never forgive you.

Same with you Lonestar.  DT tours your area all the time.  Go see them (hopefully) play Sugar Mice.

They will not be playing Sugar Mice (I seriously doubt any Fish songs get played.) I'll send you a vinyl copy of Exit...Stage Left if Sugar Mice does get played on this tour.



Hmm...I still haven't pre-ordered the new album yet. I'd better get on that.

At the last Marillion weekend, they did an A-to-Z set their second night, and played the following:
"Psuedo Silk Kimino"
"Sugar Mice"
"Jigsaw"

All Fish-Era songs...so it's likely they may stick one or two or all three of those in the upcoming set lists!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 06, 2012, 11:07:11 PM
I suppose we won't have long to wait to find out.

May get one or two on the two-night stands.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 06, 2012, 11:39:38 PM
Actually I've seen Marillion three times, and Fish solo, so it's not like my first and last chance or anything, plus I would prefer to see DT again to be honest.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on June 07, 2012, 07:24:04 AM
WELL THEN I HOPE YOU ENJOY YOURSELF.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 07, 2012, 07:55:30 AM
Don't be mad bud. If it makes you feel any better, my brother chose Marillion over DT.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2012, 08:29:16 AM
But then how are you suppose to introduce him to John Petrucci? :(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 07, 2012, 08:41:46 AM
^^^

   Nick, are you going to go to that TLA show?

If I can get the money together, then I'll definitely go, but I'm not 100% sure yet.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2012, 08:42:12 AM
No, my interest in H era is minimal, so no show for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 07, 2012, 08:44:10 AM
But then how are you suppose to introduce him to John Petrucci? :(

Payback for when he met Jon Anderson, and sent me pics of him and Jon for days.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2012, 08:45:25 AM
But then how are you suppose to introduce him to John Petrucci? :(

Payback for when he met Jon Anderson, and sent me pics of him and Jon for days.

Like different pics? How many can you possibly get with him in one meeting? :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 07, 2012, 08:51:51 AM
He took three, and kept sending them.  Big brothers can be real assholes at times, especially when it comes to meeting my musical hero.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2012, 08:54:00 AM
It's okay, before and after my interview with Jon all he could talk about is how he would rather be talking to you, and how he hated your brother.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 07, 2012, 09:06:16 AM
It's okay, before and after my interview with Jon all he could talk about is how he would rather be talking to you, and how he hated your brother.

I don't blame him, my brother's a dick on his best days. :P
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: kingshmegland on June 07, 2012, 03:17:27 PM
Listen, you can always watch a wedding some other time.  You'll have plenty to go to.  This is Marillion.  In North America for a non-Marillion weekend.  If you don't go I'll never forgive you.

Same with you Lonestar.  DT tours your area all the time.  Go see them (hopefully) play Sugar Mice.

You don't know how much I agree with you but it's my friends daughter whom I've been friends for for 30 years.  I can't.


 :censored :censored :censored :censored :censored :censored
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on June 07, 2012, 03:20:24 PM
I just listened to Marillion for the first time and I must say that I quite like what I have heard (Sugar Mice, The Last Straw). Definitely have to add them to the list of bands that I have to buy albums of.

What would you guys recommend to begin with?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 07, 2012, 03:31:03 PM
I just listened to Marillion for the first time and I must say that I quite like what I have heard (Sugar Mice, The Last Straw). Definitely have to add them to the list of bands that I have to buy albums of.

What would you guys recommend to begin with?

Both of those songs are on Clutching At Straws so you might as well start with that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on June 07, 2012, 03:40:15 PM
Ok, I'll do that. If it's not too expensive, then these two tracks are probably worth the buy alone.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 07, 2012, 08:05:46 PM
I just listened to Marillion for the first time and I must say that I quite like what I have heard (Sugar Mice, The Last Straw). Definitely have to add them to the list of bands that I have to buy albums of.

What would you guys recommend to begin with?

Misplaced Childhood

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/68/Marillion_misplacedchildhood.jpg/220px-Marillion_misplacedchildhood.jpg)

One of my favorite albums of all time. Of all time.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jeebustrain on June 08, 2012, 08:09:58 PM
I'm so pumped. I have tickets for both Chicago shows, and a couple weeks ago found out that I won a pair of slots for a band meet and greet on Friday night. This is going to kick so much ass.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 09, 2012, 12:55:08 PM
I just listened to Marillion for the first time and I must say that I quite like what I have heard (Sugar Mice, The Last Straw). Definitely have to add them to the list of bands that I have to buy albums of.

What would you guys recommend to begin with?

Misplaced Childhood

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/68/Marillion_misplacedchildhood.jpg/220px-Marillion_misplacedchildhood.jpg)

One of my favorite albums of all time. Of all time.

It IS my favorite of all-time. Undisputed number 1.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dittomist on June 09, 2012, 01:45:00 PM
Congratulations on getting those meet and greet slots, Jeebustrain! I entered that contest but didn't win--at least I don't have to nervously prepare something interesting to say to one of my favorite bands, hoping I don't embarrass myself, haha.
For those attending Marillion shows, are you going to read reviews of previous shows or are you going to avoid them altogether so the setlist will be totally unpredictable? I love the idea of not knowing what songs will be played, but damn, I'd like to know how the tour has been going! I really hope they play The Invisible Man!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on June 09, 2012, 04:38:27 PM
I just listened to Marillion for the first time and I must say that I quite like what I have heard (Sugar Mice, The Last Straw). Definitely have to add them to the list of bands that I have to buy albums of.

What would you guys recommend to begin with?

Misplaced Childhood

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/68/Marillion_misplacedchildhood.jpg/220px-Marillion_misplacedchildhood.jpg)

One of my favorite albums of all time. Of all time.
+1. This is the album that got me into progressive music.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 11, 2012, 05:33:24 AM
Anyone who starts out in 2012 listened to Marillion for the first time and starts with a Fish era album should be driving a Dolorean.
(https://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii324/jawkjaw/back_to_the_future-11374-1.jpg)
CANT WAIT FOR TOMORROW NIGHT!!! :metal
2 SHOWS BACK TO BACK IN NYC!!!
H IS THE MAN!!!!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on June 11, 2012, 08:46:57 AM
Anyone who starts out in 2012 listened to Marillion for the first time and starts with a Fish era album should be driving a Dolorean.

I've rather drive a great old car than a modern car with square wheels.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 11, 2012, 11:49:07 AM
Anyone who starts out in 2012 listened to Marillion for the first time and starts with a Fish era album should be driving a Dolorean.

I've rather drive a great old car than a modern car with square wheels.
Certainly your loss, Mr. Nick!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 11, 2012, 12:00:13 PM
And the eternal H vs Fish battle continues....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 11, 2012, 12:26:32 PM
And the eternal H vs Fish battle continues....
Not a battle for me. I love Fish as well, but H has been the singer for 25 years!!!
and he's great!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 11, 2012, 12:38:06 PM
Christ, it has been 25 years, fuck I'm getting old.  I was just out of high school when Clutching at Straws came out, and now tomorrow is my baby girl's last day of high school. Where the hell does the time go. :'(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 11, 2012, 01:15:46 PM
Christ, it has been 25 years, fuck I'm getting old.  I was just out of high school when Clutching at Straws came out, and now tomorrow is my baby girl's last day of high school. Where the hell does the time go. :'(
Tell me about it. the kids on this board have no idea how fast life flys by. I think H took over in 87.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on June 11, 2012, 05:17:17 PM
Ha!  It was 1988!  So...there?  :P

But seriously, Fish made two great albums with 'em but H gave us Season's End, Brave, Marbles, Marillion.com, and Afraid of Sunlight.  Anoraknophobia might be up there too, haven't listened to it in a while.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on June 11, 2012, 05:21:08 PM
Ha!  It was 1988!  So...there?  :P

But seriously, Fish made two great albums with 'em but H gave us Season's End, Brave, Marbles, Marillion.com, and Afraid of Sunlight.  Anoraknophobia might be up there too, haven't listened to it in a while.

I agree with this statement 100%, although I would also add Happiness Is The Road to H's accomplishments with Marillion.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 11, 2012, 06:04:07 PM
Ha!  It was 1988!  So...there?  :P

But seriously, Fish made two great albums with 'em but H gave us Season's End, Brave, Marbles, Marillion.com, and Afraid of Sunlight.  Anoraknophobia might be up there too, haven't listened to it in a while.

I agree with this statement 100%, although I would also add Happiness Is The Road to H's accomplishments with Marillion.

-Marc.
Put it this way, if I heard Marillion was ditching H and going back to Fish, I wouldn't be happy about it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on June 11, 2012, 06:18:08 PM
Ha!  It was 1988!  So...there?  :P

But seriously, Fish made two great albums with 'em but H gave us Season's End, Brave, Marbles, Marillion.com, and Afraid of Sunlight.  Anoraknophobia might be up there too, haven't listened to it in a while.

Marillion had 4 great albums with Fish, giving them a perfect batting average, and there are a good number of Fish-era fans that would say that. On the other hand the H era has been inconsistent even by most fans of the era. So while H has been there for many years and many more albums, I think that's why there is still such a healthy rivalry between the eras.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 11, 2012, 06:45:29 PM
Ha!  It was 1988!  So...there?  :P

But seriously, Fish made two great albums with 'em but H gave us Season's End, Brave, Marbles, Marillion.com, and Afraid of Sunlight.  Anoraknophobia might be up there too, haven't listened to it in a while.

Marillion had 4 great albums with Fish, giving them a perfect batting average, and there are a good number of Fish-era fans that would say that. On the other hand the H era has been inconsistent even by most fans of the era. So while H has been there for many years and many more albums, I think that's why there is still such a healthy rivalry between the eras.

   QFT. I'll take quality over quantity any day.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 11, 2012, 07:46:44 PM
Ha!  It was 1988!  So...there?  :P

But seriously, Fish made two great albums with 'em but H gave us Season's End, Brave, Marbles, Marillion.com, and Afraid of Sunlight.  Anoraknophobia might be up there too, haven't listened to it in a while.

Marillion had 4 great albums with Fish, giving them a perfect batting average, and there are a good number of Fish-era fans that would say that. On the other hand the H era has been inconsistent even by most fans of the era. So while H has been there for many years and many more albums, I think that's why there is still such a healthy rivalry between the eras.
I would disagree. Fugazi was not great. Good, not great. I would also say no Fish album is as good as Marbles is.
Whatever. I'm going to see an awesome concert tomorrow night, and your not. :tick2:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on June 11, 2012, 08:17:31 PM
Script is nowhere near as good as many people say it is, and neither is Fugazi.  I'll give the Fish-fans that Fish's last two albums with Marillion are pretty much perfect, but those first two weren't great. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 11, 2012, 08:35:21 PM
I respect Fish, but they sounded like a genesis. With H, he has a tone that fits their style, even though he can't sing as high doesn't matter. Sometimes I feel people think singing high automatically means good.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on June 11, 2012, 09:15:11 PM
I would disagree. Fugazi was not great. Good, not great. I would also say no Fish album is as good as Marbles is.
Whatever. I'm going to see an awesome concert tomorrow night, and your not. :tick2:

Script is nowhere near as good as many people say it is, and neither is Fugazi.  I'll give the Fish-fans that Fish's last two albums with Marillion are pretty much perfect, but those first two weren't great. 

I respect Fish, but they sounded like a genesis. With H, he has a tone that fits their style, even though he can't sing as high doesn't matter. Sometimes I feel people think singing high automatically means good.

I agree with all of this.  I also feel like the band's songwriting has matured so much over the years.

But I think the real reason there's so much debate between Fish and H eras is because the two styles are just so different.  I think the continuity of the name is the only thing that would indicate to anybody that these two eras are from the same band.  I recall reading/hearing somewhere that when H first joined the band, he really campaigned to have the band name changed because he felt the band was changing so much and that keeping the name would only invite comparison and debate.  Obviously, they didn't change the name of the band, but sometimes I think maybe they should have listened to him.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on June 11, 2012, 09:26:38 PM
I pretty much think of them as 2 bands since they're so different. Both bands are great but I prefer the Hogarth's.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on June 12, 2012, 11:46:56 PM
They will not be playing Sugar Mice (I seriously doubt any Fish songs get played.) I'll send you a vinyl copy of Exit...Stage Left if Sugar Mice does get played on this tour.

I think you might regret those words...


Just got back from the show.  The band got an amazing reception from the audience.  They were definitely visibly moved by the crowd reaction. They got like a two minute ovation after just finishing the first song. H seemed like he was sick or had a sore throat or something, and the sound could have been better (I think they actually had H too LOUD in the mix), but overall it was still a pretty spectacular show.

SETLIST SPOILER

Asylum Satellite #1
Beautiful
You're Gone
Easter
King
Fantastic Place
A Voice From The Past
Ocean Cloud
Power (new song)
This Town / The Rake's Progress / 100 Nights
Happiness is the Road
-----------------------------
Encore:

Invisible Man
-----------------------------
Second Encore:

Sugar Mice
Man of a Thousand Faces


Can't wait 'til tomorrow night!

Btw - totally unrelated, but on the train ride home, I sat behind four total strangers who spent the entire train ride trashing their boss.  The conversation all stemmed from a Facebook status the boss posted, which they read out loud.  Unfortunately for them, it turns out their boss just happens to be my cousin, and I had just seen that status myself like an hour earlier, so I get to overhear a 40-minute bitch session about my cousin.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 13, 2012, 07:51:11 AM
Great show last night! Hearing Ocean Cloud made my night! :metal

There was this one guy who was standing next to me that was screaming like an asshole all night. He started shouting Marillion sucks over and over at the end of the show. If by some chance the guy is there again tonight (can't imagine why he would be)and is next to me, he just might get an elbow to the jaw. What a dick.

Anyhow, epic show. Can't wait to see what they play tonight.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 13, 2012, 08:07:00 AM
Why do people have to do that?  When I saw DT in Sept. and they were doing the acoustic part, some drunk fuck next to me kept yelling shit too.

Glad the show kicked ass, my brother is seeing them, I'm seeing DT the same weekend.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on June 13, 2012, 11:09:46 AM
NYC got a good setlist, but two of my friends saw them in DC the night before and I think they got an even better one.

Splintering Heart
Cover My Eyes
Slainte Mhath
Fantastic Place
Somewhere Else
Power
Afraid of Sunlight
Man of a Thousand Faces
This Strange Engine
Neverland

Encore 1
The Invisible Man

Encore 2
Easter
Three Minute Boy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on June 13, 2012, 11:36:29 AM
NYC got a good setlist, but two of my friends saw them in DC the night before and I think they got an even better one.

Splintering Heart
Cover My Eyes
Slainte Mhath
Fantastic Place
Somewhere Else
Power
Afraid of Sunlight
Man of a Thousand Faces
This Strange Engine
Neverland

Encore 1
The Invisible Man

Encore 2
Easter
Three Minute Boy


Except that DC only got one show.  NYC gets night #2 tonight, with a completely different setlist.  Most of the songs from this set that weren't played last night will probably be played tonight.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 13, 2012, 11:59:41 AM
NYC got a good setlist, but two of my friends saw them in DC the night before and I think they got an even better one.

Splintering Heart
Cover My Eyes
Slainte Mhath
Fantastic Place
Somewhere Else
Power
Afraid of Sunlight
Man of a Thousand Faces
This Strange Engine
Neverland

Encore 1
The Invisible Man

Encore 2
Easter
Three Minute Boy
I am going to a second show tonight, so DC can suck it! NYC HAS DOUBLE THE SET LIST!!! :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 13, 2012, 01:31:13 PM
They will not be playing Sugar Mice (I seriously doubt any Fish songs get played.) I'll send you a vinyl copy of Exit...Stage Left if Sugar Mice does get played on this tour.

I think you might regret those words...


Obviously my finger hasn't been on the Marillion pulse as much as it used to be.

Ninja will be getting a PM. 


That DC set would be sweet. So glad I didn't go to New York.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on June 13, 2012, 04:34:18 PM
I went to the show yesterday but unfortunately I wasn't able to go again tonight but last night's show was amazing! I like the setlist a lot more than DC's show. I was hoping that they'd play Ocean Cloud but I didn't think they really would. That song was so amazing live! I still can't believe they played it. The 3 songs I wanted to hear were played - Ocean Cloud, Man of a Thousand Faces, and Easter. I hope they come back to America for their next tour.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lark the Starless on June 13, 2012, 06:18:07 PM
I personally think the NYC setlist is far superior to the D.C. one.

Ocean Cloud, the couple of songs from HITR, a song from "Somewhere Else", the trio from "Holidays in Eden" (This Town/The Rakes Progress/100 Nights) is overall a well-rounded setlist that I would LOVE to see in LA.

Can't wait for the 2 nighter!

I'll also be meeting the band!  :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on June 13, 2012, 07:18:51 PM
Except DC got Neverland which one of the best songs ever written so...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on June 13, 2012, 07:40:06 PM
Except NYC will probably get Neverland tonight.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on June 13, 2012, 09:03:01 PM
Neverland and This Strange Engine.  Plus another new song.  And some other gems.  Full setlist coming shortly.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on June 13, 2012, 09:17:46 PM
Night 2 setlist:


Splintering Heart
Cover My Eyes
Slainte Mhath
Out of this World
Estonia
Somewhere Else
Afraid of Sunlight
Great Escape
Cannibal Surf Babe
Lucky Man (new)
Between You And Me
Neverland
-----------------
This Strange Engine
-----------------
Kayleigh
Three Minute Boy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on June 13, 2012, 09:35:37 PM
Slainthe and Kayleigh? Night 2 automatically wins.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on June 13, 2012, 09:43:04 PM
So Lucky Man wasn't an ELP cover?  :lol

Looks like they got a great setlist as well, but I'd be happy to trade Kayleigh for The Invisible Man.  Cool to see Between You and Me and Great Escape though!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on June 13, 2012, 09:44:23 PM
Wow these setlists are AMAZING. They're pulling out all the stops for their first US tour in FOREVER.... now I regret not going to the DC show... :sadpanda:

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 13, 2012, 09:49:25 PM
That's a brilliant set.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lark the Starless on June 13, 2012, 11:39:52 PM
Night 2 is pretty sweet.

Overall, I still think Night 1's setlist was more to my liking but it's great that they did 2 Fish songs tonight.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on June 14, 2012, 06:54:03 AM
that was a pretty satisfying 2 nights of music. i'm glad they did a two set layout to get it all in, since we don't know when they will be back again hahh.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 14, 2012, 08:40:16 AM
I don't really think they will ever be back, so I'm glad I was able to be there both nights. Unbelievable shows.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 14, 2012, 08:47:07 AM
and if I could have picked any song I had to hear it was, This Strange Engine. Holy crap, that was amazing!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 15, 2012, 06:40:42 AM
Back to work today after my Marillion vacation. :sad:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 15, 2012, 06:49:19 AM
Did they have an opening band?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 15, 2012, 08:36:58 AM
Did they have an opening band?
Yes. Sun Domingo. Not bad.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 17, 2012, 09:09:40 PM
AWESOME show Friday night! I think Philly got an extra new song. Even better than the DC set if we did get the extra new song.
Would have been nice to have Splintering Heart open the show like DC, but that was barely a minor complaint. I feel amazingly lucky to have gotten my favorite set on the tour so far. New songs were fantastic!


Didnt' bother with extra extortion fees to get in early and still managed to be four deep on Rothery's side (who was ON FIRE) , but a bunch of people inexplicably left as the show went on so we were only two deep for the second-half of the show. (Since when was a barrier put up in front of the stage at the TLA?)


If this is the last time I ever see Marillion live, I'd be OK with that.







Asylum Satellite #1
Cover My Eyes
Slainte Mhath
Fantastic Place
Somewhere Else
Power
Afraid of Sunlight
Lucky Man
Man of a Thousand Faces
This Strange Engine
Neverland

Encore 1
The Invisible Man

Encore 2
Easter
Three Minute Boy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lark the Starless on June 29, 2012, 05:55:05 PM
The shows in LA were absolutely spectacular! Easily 2 of the best concerts I've been to.

I REALLY hope I see them again in LA  :-[
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 29, 2012, 11:18:01 PM
My brother is at the shiw in SF right now, if it wasn't for DT on Sunday, I'd be there too.


Edit: the only two updates I got from my bro is they opened with Splintering Heart and Sugarmice was played, if I get more, I'll share it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on July 17, 2012, 02:32:03 PM
New track up on YT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aZxKeANsIw&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 17, 2012, 02:36:36 PM
New track up on YT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aZxKeANsIw&feature=youtu.be

Its got a very fresh sound to it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 21, 2012, 02:49:30 PM
Wow, that sounds so flat.


It was MUCH better live.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: MetropolisWatches on July 21, 2012, 04:44:52 PM
I've been meaning to listen to these guys. Should I start with Misplaced Childhood?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 21, 2012, 04:50:23 PM
I've been meaning to listen to these guys. Should I start with Misplaced Childhood?

That's the one I started with and they have since become one of my favorite bands in the world.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on August 02, 2012, 12:46:46 PM
New track up on YT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aZxKeANsIw&feature=youtu.be

Just heard this, absolutly love it. :heart
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Zydar on August 02, 2012, 12:56:18 PM
I recently decided to give the Hogarth era another shot. Picked up Seasons End & Holidays In Eden, sounds very different to the Fish stuff.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 02, 2012, 05:49:49 PM
I recently decided to give the Hogarth era another shot. Picked up Seasons End & Holidays In Eden, sounds very different to the Fish stuff.

Haven't heard Fish era, but Fish era sounds like it'd be old school prog like genesis and yes. If it is, then I'm kinda tired of it at the moment, If not then cool. But they got more and more simpler but the songwriting is top notch, I even enjoy Somewhere Else.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 02, 2012, 07:13:51 PM
I recently decided to give the Hogarth era another shot. Picked up Seasons End & Holidays In Eden, sounds very different to the Fish stuff.

The album that allowed me to start enjoying the H era was Afraid of Sunlight.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 20, 2012, 08:30:02 PM
I've been meaning to listen to these guys. Should I start with Misplaced Childhood?

That's the one I started with and they have since become one of my favorite bands in the world.

That's my favorite album of all time...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on September 06, 2012, 01:08:06 PM
I just received an email saying my album has been shipped  :metal

i heard power, gaza and the other one they played at the nyc concert so far, and they are all amazing 'ocean cloud' type back hair raising songs, love it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on September 07, 2012, 04:08:04 PM
A couple of weeks ago I went to see Rusted Root, and between bands (after the opener but before Rusted Root came on) the house music was all from Misplaced Childhood and Clutching at Straws.  I think I got more excited about that than I did about the actual concert.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 08, 2012, 01:09:19 PM
I'm excited hearing about this again.

What are the odds?

Although I'm always one to search for why things happen, this might be a situation to just bask in the moment and accept it as one of the cooler things that can happen in life.
Title: Re: Marillion: Sounds That Can't Be Made
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 10, 2012, 05:58:13 AM
Got my pre-ordered copy of the new Marillion album, and honestly, it's up there with Marbles.

Track by track:

Gaza - Opens on the 18 minute epic, with lyrics taken from interviews with the people of Gaza and others, and a nice middle-eastern sound to the main riff.

Sounds that Can't be Made - something else a bit different, opens a little flat, but then really builds.

Pour My Love - One of Marillion's strongest ballards in years.

Power - A fairly standard rocker, bit of a jazz/funk groove to the main riff.

Montreal - Another long track, softer, and one that's definately a grower.

Invisible Ink - another ballard.

Lucky Man - The big rock anthem, sure to be a live favourite - can't stop singing this chorus!

The Sky Above the Rain - The big closer, has to be heard to be believed.

The album has the shine and sparkle, bright treble and deep bass that made Marbles so listenable, the somewhat flat production on Somewhere Else and HITR has been well and truly excised. It really does fall out of your speakers and into your ears like warm honey.

Best album of the year so far my a mile, and probably the best album of the 21st Century so far...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on September 10, 2012, 03:11:43 PM
Just listened to the new album (thanks to the email from Racket Records with a download link!).

Wow... I was not expecting all of that! 3 sizable epics, ranging from 10-18 minutes in length, with 5 more songs in the 5-8 minute range. A full 74 minutes of Marillion bliss!

First impressions: It's very deep, there's a lot going on, but that's what you get with 5 great performers. The playing is top notch, and they don't hold back (like they did on Somewhere Else and some of HITR). If I had to compare this album to anything, it would be most of Marbles, marillion.com and Anoraknophobia, but that's just upon my first listen.

I'm going to go through it again shortly, listen intently with headphones, and maybe do a little write-up. Marillion should be proud of this album, it's VERY good, and quite possibly a Top 10 album of 2012 for me (and with so MANY great albums out this year, it's a tough group to be a part of).

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on September 10, 2012, 05:18:38 PM
Looks like the link has been temporarily disabled due to too much traffic :(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cedar redaC on September 11, 2012, 08:00:01 PM
I just listened to Misplaced Childhood for the first time. I'm very impressed. I can see where people get the Genesis similarities from, but this album is an amazing addition to my music collection.

Story Time: I was at a record store with my friend, and I really had no intention of buying anything. Then I saw a Marillion sign in the CD section and thought: "I wonder if they have Misplaced Childhood, it's gotta be good if it's on so many of Dream Theater Forum's Top 50 Albums Lists." What do you know, there was an import version. So I bought it. The guy behind the counter said that he had played it a lot and enjoyed it. This guy knows music, so I figured it had to be good. I went home, had dinner, and played the album. Yeah, it was pretty awesome! Definitely a very cool album.

P.S. I have had little to no experience with Marillion until today.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 12, 2012, 01:02:50 AM
Well, if you like MC, you'll pretty much love Clutching at straws and Script for a Jester's tear.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 12, 2012, 03:01:53 AM
Performance from Monday in Manchester of Sky Above the Rain....
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdlZz6Q_Nt0)


Just ordered the album, so it's nice to get a sneak at it, simply amazing.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on September 12, 2012, 05:49:28 AM
Misplaced Childhood is my personal favorite Marillion album, and pretty much the album that got me into progressive music.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 12, 2012, 08:14:52 AM
Misplaced Childhood is my personal favorite Marillion album, and pretty much the album that got me into progressive music.

Same here, aside from Yes of course, I was listening to them pretty much out of the womb.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 12, 2012, 08:44:21 AM
Performance from Monday in Manchester of Sky Above the Rain....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdlZz6Q_Nt0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdlZz6Q_Nt0)


Just ordered the album, so it's nice to get a sneak at it, simply amazing.

Bummer, video removed. Too bad too, they had lasers and explosions and everything.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: yeshaberto on September 12, 2012, 08:45:25 AM
A friend recommended these guys to me.
I picked up Brave and Clutching at Straws based on this thread.
Here we go...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on September 12, 2012, 08:53:23 AM
A friend recommended these guys to me.
I picked up Brave and Clutching at Straws based on this thread.
Here we go...

I would definitely go for Clutching.. first.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on September 12, 2012, 08:54:57 AM
Yeah, Brave is a very special album. I enjoy it sometimes but I have to be in the perfect mood for it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 12, 2012, 12:00:38 PM
A friend recommended these guys to me.
I picked up Brave and Clutching at Straws based on this thread.
Here we go...

I would definitely go for Clutching.. first.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on September 12, 2012, 12:27:19 PM
A friend recommended these guys to me.
I picked up Brave and Clutching at Straws based on this thread.
Here we go...

I would definitely go for Clutching.. first.
This. That album is the tits, with the last two tracks easily being the best songs that Marillion has ever written (from what I've heard, admittedly).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 12, 2012, 12:44:54 PM
Eh, Clutching at Straws is ok, I guess. ::)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on September 12, 2012, 01:24:32 PM
Eh, Clutching at Straws is ok, I guess. ::)
You're not fooling anyone, old man. :yarr
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Jaq on September 12, 2012, 08:30:01 PM
The description of this album has made me interested in checking the new one out. I was less than impressed with the last two Marillion albums-I was starting to worry that Marbles was going to be impossible to follow up-but this sounds more up my alley.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 12, 2012, 09:45:08 PM
Yeah, Brave is a very special album. I enjoy it sometimes but I have to be in the perfect mood for it.

It's special for me too.
It cures insomnia.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: adace on September 13, 2012, 01:59:57 AM
Definitely a solid album. 9/10 on the first listen.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Jaq on September 13, 2012, 06:51:16 AM
Oh yeah, I gave this a, shall we say, "preview" last night and as soon as it was done, I ordered it. Best album Marillion's done in ages; it's going to take replays for me to figure out just where it stands in terms of their overall catalog, but it rates very highly with me at the moment. Starting the album off with a near eighteen minute tune is pretty damn gutsy, and the album just keeps rollling from there. The last two albums from Marillion bored me to death, but this one is amazing.

(edit) And oh godammit, Hogarth. Stop writing lyrics that perfectly fit the death of a recent relationship for me! The Sky Above The Rain might as well be titled "Jaq, Sometime in 2010"  :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: yeshaberto on September 13, 2012, 09:56:12 AM
recognize "sugar mice" from one of DT live performances (can't think of which one, take the time?)
very cool
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on September 13, 2012, 10:05:28 AM
recognize "sugar mice" from one of DT live performances (can't think of which one, take the time?)
very cool

It was used as part of the "Surrounded '07" medley, which also included a bit of "Mother" by Pink Floyd, from their album The Wall.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: yeshaberto on September 13, 2012, 10:59:55 AM
Ah, yes.   That's it. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on September 13, 2012, 11:06:44 AM
recognize "sugar mice" from one of DT live performances (can't think of which one, take the time?)
very cool

It was used as part of the "Surrounded '07" medley, which also included a bit of "Mother" by Pink Floyd, from their album The Wall.

-Marc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqDdTIxSy4M&list=UUPv4yUXddRF7-xsj4dmoifQ&index=27&feature=plcp
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on September 13, 2012, 05:41:19 PM
STCBM is fantastic. I really love the title track, Pour My Love, Montreal, and The Sky Above The Rain. Gaza has grown on me since hearing the Youtube video. Its a much better album than Happiness Is The Road and Somwhere Else, even though I like both of those albums. I doubt it'll be my album of the year (looks like that's going to Anathema or Anglagard) but its definitely up there. There's a pretty strong Anoraknophobia vibe at times, which is great since I love that album. Can't wait for the making of DVD.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Jaq on September 13, 2012, 07:19:21 PM
...wait Anglagard has a new album out?  :o

WHY WASN'T I NOTIFIED?!  :P
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on September 13, 2012, 07:25:55 PM
...wait Anglagard has a new album out?  :o

WHY WASN'T I NOTIFIED?!  :P
Its called Vijans Oga and its fucking amazing. All instrumental and lots of great keyboards of course and more noticable flute/woodwinds. I'd get it soon since the band seems to be having a lot of problems distributing it and there's been a bunch of delays.
https://www.lasercd.com/Products/Anglagard---Viljans-Oga__ANG03CD.aspx
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Jaq on September 13, 2012, 07:27:07 PM
I'm on it.  ;D  Back to Marillion discussion!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on September 15, 2012, 03:22:56 AM
Isn't Sounds That Can't Be Made due to be released today? If it is, does anyone already have it, and what are their impressions?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 16, 2012, 06:24:57 PM
Got an email saying it has been shipped so it should be here about a month from now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 17, 2012, 12:48:28 AM
Well, I remember buying MC on vinyl back in the day, only having heard some songs on cassette (yes, folks!) in the barracks in my army base. I sat at home reading the lyrics in that grat gatefold sleeve cover, thinking 'what the fuck is this guy talking about?' That was the opening part with all the poetic language. After that, though, the music just took me all over the place. I kept thinking 'God, can this get any better? And it did, over and over again. At the end, I was floored. My musical life had just changed forever.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 17, 2012, 02:12:35 AM
Went to see them last night for the ninth time. Whoo-hoo!
Going to see them tonight for the tenth time. Whoo-hoo!

They're on smoking form this tour, Hogarth is giving it 110% (I think he was more than a little drunk last night), and they're playing a stonking setlist.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on September 17, 2012, 06:19:38 AM
end of montreal is so damn awesome, also it doesn't hurt that they mention hockey  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 20, 2012, 11:59:17 PM
Just got home from work, and my disk was waiting on the dining room table, a week earlier that expected. :victorydance:


Listening now, Gaza is incredible.



Edit:Wow, The Sky Above The Rain just left me fucking speechless. Gotta sleep now. I'll give the rest a proper listen tomorrow. Huge musical boner here though, just huge.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 21, 2012, 09:27:59 PM
Just got home from work, and my disk was waiting on the dining room table, a week earlier that expected. :victorydance:


Listening now, Gaza is incredible.



Edit:Wow, The Sky Above The Rain just left me fucking speechless. Gotta sleep now. I'll give the rest a proper listen tomorrow. Huge musical boner here though, just huge.

Hmm...

Perhaps I'll have it in less than a month then....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 26, 2012, 11:09:59 AM
OK, here is my review of the new album for Nem's site, be kind, a lot of my heart went into this one....
https://www.ladyobscure.com/albums/marillion-sounds-that-cant-be-made-3/ (https://www.ladyobscure.com/albums/marillion-sounds-that-cant-be-made-3/)


Lot's of spoilers in this one, just saying.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on September 26, 2012, 11:54:44 AM
Nice review! I never got into H-era Marillion but I might have to check this out.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 26, 2012, 12:12:10 PM
Thanks man. Just check out Gaza, that song will probably sell you on the rest of it. And Sky Above the Rain could be one of my most favorite songs ever.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on September 26, 2012, 12:27:48 PM
WHY ISN'T THIS ALBUM ON SPOTIFY YET GAWD I WANT IT SO BAD
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on September 26, 2012, 12:35:22 PM
WHY ISN'T THIS ALBUM ON SPOTIFY YET GAWD I WANT IT SO BAD

So glad I pre-ordered it and got the Racket MP3s they offered for pre-orderee's  :metal

LOVE this album, unfortunately, it's taken a second-seat to Neal Morse's new album this month, but I've given it a few fair spins and it's just great, top to bottom, and on par with some of H-Era Marillion's best works!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 26, 2012, 04:51:52 PM
This arrived Monday. I guess 13 days after I ordered it.

Still haven't listened to this or the Neal Morse yet, but I have seen the Marillion DVD and liked it. Great stuff!


The artwork on the package is stunning and it looks like the lyrics are top notch too.

I'm hoping to get some time to sit down with it soon and just take it all in...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on September 26, 2012, 05:00:02 PM
Just wanted to add - it's HARD to be a Marillion fan...hard in that it becomes expensive. They have SOOOO much material available in their shop at Racket Records, it's becoming a chore to get everything from live DVDs and CDs, to special-editions. From here on out, I might have to stick with studio albums and a select few live DVDs, although I have to finish the set from last year's Marillion Weekend, since they decided to release the 5 DVDs at 3 separate times.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 27, 2012, 05:48:30 AM
Yeah, wish they'd hurry up and release that Sunday night show.

Do check out the limited edition live CD of the recent London show - it's a scorcher.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on September 27, 2012, 11:32:59 AM
Still haven't gotten my CD yet :(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on September 27, 2012, 12:36:51 PM
Still haven't gotten my CD yet :(

Me either :( Where in the world are you Zep? I'm in Maryland.

Ironically, I received an shipment notification email from Burning Shed (about my pre-ordered Get All You Deserve set) a few days after I got the email from Racket Records about STCBM...and I got GAYD on Saturday last week, less than a week after getting my email from Burning Shed.

I guess I can't really blame Racket Records, but the transition from Royal Mail to USPS on this package is HORRENDOUS... I've never had any problems ordering/pre-ordering anything from the UK, let alone Europe in general. Tracking numbers would've been great.

At least the band gave us the MP3 downloads!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 27, 2012, 01:16:07 PM
Weird. I got the email that it shipped on 9/12, and recieved it on 9/20, and I'm way over in California.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on September 27, 2012, 01:20:22 PM
Weird. I got the email that it shipped on 9/12, and recieved it on 9/20, and I'm way over in California.

Maybe the West Coast discs got shipped the other way round the world?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on September 27, 2012, 01:20:45 PM
Long Island.  I just asked another friend of mine on Long Island who also pre-ordered, and he hasn't gotten it either.

I got that same 9/12 shipment confirmation e-mail.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on September 27, 2012, 01:25:00 PM
Long Island.  I just asked another friend of mine on Long Island who also pre-ordered, and he hasn't gotten it either.

I got that same 9/12 shipment confirmation e-mail.

Ditto on the email. I don't know if I can blame the mail, now, though... Burning Shed shipped my package out on or around the 17th, 5 days after I got the email from Racket, and I got that package on 22nd. I'm just really confused...and worried. I hope it didn't get lost in the mail, especially since I shelled out for the Special Edition.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on September 27, 2012, 05:04:32 PM
I got my shipping email (deluxe edition, ordered after the campaign ended) on September 13th and it arrived a week ago in Connecticut. I had sent them an email previously asking when it would ship, and they told me that it was on its way but they didn't send the shipping email out yet. They said that their first priority was getting them in the mail and they'd worry about emails later. Its odd that so many people haven't gotten theirs yet though it seems like a lot of people have problems with shipping from England.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 27, 2012, 07:01:12 PM
Hey guys, I saw on the Marillion forum a note about troubles with the shipping of a good portion of the discs, and it came from the band, so that might explain the delays some of you are experiencing.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 28, 2012, 12:54:43 AM
So you can't just get in the stores?   :huh:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 28, 2012, 01:03:59 AM
Release date for stores is Oct. 2 I think.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on September 28, 2012, 10:31:08 AM
I'm going to laugh (while feelings genuinely sad for you folks) if an H-era critic like myself ends up getting this before you guys. I had been hearing good things about this and figured I'd give it a shot and so I ordered from Amazon a week or so ago.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on September 28, 2012, 10:38:42 AM
Well... in fairness, they did already send out an mp3 version of the album to anybody who pre-ordered, so we can at least still hear it early.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on September 29, 2012, 06:44:52 AM
Its amazing! Can't get enough of it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 01, 2012, 03:07:12 AM
OK, here is my review of the new album for Nem's site, be kind, a lot of my heart went into this one....
https://www.ladyobscure.com/albums/marillion-sounds-that-cant-be-made-3/ (https://www.ladyobscure.com/albums/marillion-sounds-that-cant-be-made-3/)


Lot's of spoilers in this one, just saying.

Awesome review, Lonestar!  :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 01, 2012, 08:29:02 AM
Thanks man.



Fish just posted on FB that they are rehearsing Grendel....

Quote
Now I refocus on the Leamington sets and the intimidating prospect of getting some new material in shape as well as the musical mountain of Grendel! :-)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 01, 2012, 09:36:23 AM
Wha?  :omg:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 01, 2012, 03:22:30 PM
That was my exact response, had to read it a few times to make sure I wasn't fucking tripping. Gonna do a shitload of diggin to see what the details are, it would be amazing if he toured it though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Jaq on October 01, 2012, 04:18:14 PM
What the hell? Grendel, seriously? I don't think Marillion played it live much after 1983...color me interested!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on October 01, 2012, 04:54:30 PM
The way Fish's voice sounds lately...I'm not sure I care.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on October 03, 2012, 09:20:00 PM
FINALLY got my copy here in Maryland!!! LOVE the packaging, but unfortunately, it's slightly TOO tall to fit in my CD tower, so it's laying flat along the top of some other Marillion CD jewel cases, where there's room. Thankfully it's not too thick of a package either...er...uhm.

Anyways, beautiful packaging, love the slip-case, and the pictures (as I flipped through the booklet) are great! Gonna have to watch the DVD sometime tomorrow or soon!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 04, 2012, 09:54:06 PM
Finally listened to this on Monday night. (got it on the 25th after I ordered it three weeks ago and it shiiped on Sept. 12th)

I saw the DVD last week as an appetizer. Great stuff. Packaging is top notch.

It's definately a grower. There's some awesome stuff on hear that needs proper attention that I'm unable to give at the moment.


The mix on Gaza sucks...which is too bad because it could be the best song on the album. The mix evens out a little from there. Not enough Rothery for me, but when he's there, you know it.

I need to hear this live. If not in person than a DVD will suffice. Gaza is just so much more than what's on that record. 



Nick, where have you been hearing "good things" about this?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: a51502112 on June 20, 2013, 08:08:12 AM
Just watched the film, Forgetting Sarah Marshall for the first time.
Anyone notice when Jason Segel sings like a vampire, he sounds just like Fish?  :justjen
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 20, 2013, 08:46:36 AM
Never seen the film, but I'll give you props for the most out of nowhere thread revival ever. :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lolzeez on June 21, 2013, 04:54:36 PM
Listened to Brave FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE this week. It was AWESOME. I really wanna get into the post Fish era. Where should I go next?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on June 21, 2013, 05:17:32 PM
Listened to Brave FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE this week. It was AWESOME. I really wanna get into the post Fish era. Where should I go next?

Afraid Of Sunlight
This Strange Engine
Anoraknophobia
Marbles

These four, definitely. Maybe in that order, since it is chronological. If you like them a lot, then go back and fill in the gaps between Brave and their last album (which I would also highly recommend).

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on June 21, 2013, 05:35:37 PM
Listened to Brave FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE this week. It was AWESOME. I really wanna get into the post Fish era. Where should I go next?
Get Marbles first but make sure you get the 2 disc version!!! It has Ocean Cloud, and is worth the price of the whole album. Also check out Seasons End and Afraid of Sunlight.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mister Gold on June 21, 2013, 07:51:50 PM
Listening to Gaza right now. :hefdaddy Holy crap, I need to pick up this album. :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 21, 2013, 08:11:58 PM
Listened to Brave FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE this week. It was AWESOME. I really wanna get into the post Fish era. Where should I go next?

Personally I really like Afraid of Sunlight. That or Marbles, (two-disc version).

Ocean Cloud is pretty damn incredible.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on June 21, 2013, 08:44:03 PM
Listening to Gaza right now. :hefdaddy Holy crap, I need to pick up this album. :metal
It's an excellent album for sure. One of my top 5 albums of 2012. Wait until you here The Sky Above The Rain and the title track.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mister Gold on June 21, 2013, 09:37:17 PM
Listening to Gaza right now. :hefdaddy Holy crap, I need to pick up this album. :metal
It's an excellent album for sure. One of my top 5 albums of 2012. Wait until you here The Sky Above The Rain and the title track.

The Sky Above The Rain was actually the first song I heard off this album! I just somehow forgot to check out the rest of the album afterwards and only remembered today. :omg:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on June 21, 2013, 09:45:04 PM
Listening to Gaza right now. :hefdaddy Holy crap, I need to pick up this album. :metal
It's an excellent album for sure. One of my top 5 albums of 2012. Wait until you here The Sky Above The Rain and the title track.

The Sky Above The Rain was actually the first song I heard off this album! I just somehow forgot to check out the rest of the album afterwards and only remembered today. :omg:
Oh cool! Well, enjoy the rest of the album!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 02, 2013, 03:40:10 PM
Listened to this again over the weekend. It's lost nothing. Need to hear the rest of it live one day.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lolzeez on July 03, 2013, 06:12:26 PM
Listened to Brave FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE this week. It was AWESOME. I really wanna get into the post Fish era. Where should I go next?
Get Marbles first but make sure you get the 2 disc version!!! It has Ocean Cloud, and is worth the price of the whole album. Also check out Seasons End and Afraid of Sunlight.
Go Season's End couple weeks ago. I loved it. I guess Marbles is next!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: mellotron_scratch on July 03, 2013, 07:37:00 PM
I love STCBM, one of my faves from 2012. Awesome album
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HolidaysAnoraks on July 03, 2013, 09:48:25 PM
I love STCBM, one of my faves from 2012. Awesome album

Agreed. It's probably my 3rd favorite Marillion album overall after Seasons End and Clutching At Straws.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on July 03, 2013, 10:02:38 PM
I really like the title track, Pour Your Love and Power. They remind me of Careless Whisper for some reason.  :lol But I mean that in the best way possible. Couldn't get into the rest of the album though. But hey, liking three songs on a Marillion album is pretty much a record-breaker for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 03, 2013, 10:07:18 PM
I love STCBM, one of my faves from 2012. Awesome album

Agreed. It's probably my 3rd favorite Marillion album overall after Seasons End and Clutching At Straws.
I'd also say it's my third favorite, but after Seasons End and Marbles.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 03, 2013, 11:18:16 PM
So here's another one of my 'pick your favorite from these arbitrary groupings' post...

Group 1: Fish-Era
Script For A Jester's Tear, Fugazi, Misplaced Childhood, Clutching At Straws

Group 2: H-Era Part 1 (the rest of the EMI Years)
Seasons End, Holidays In Eden, Brave, Afraid Of Sunlight

Group 3: H-Era Part 2
This Strange Engine, Radiation, marillion.com, Anoraknophobia

Group 4: H-Era Part 3
Marbles, Somewhere Else, Happiness Is The Road, Sounds That Can't Be Made

The first two groups make sense, considering their first 8 albums were all on the EMI label, and the first half of which were the Fish-Era, so they all group nicely. The second two groups a little less so, and I excluded Less Is More because aside from one song, it was all mostly re-workings of older material.

Many would group TSE/R/.com together, but I threw in Anoraknophobia just to make all the groups an even number of 4 albums each.

Anyways, you guys GO! Pick your fave album from each group!

Misplaced Childhood
Seasons End
This Strange Engine
Marbles

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on July 03, 2013, 11:43:18 PM
Clutching at Straws
Brave
Anoraknophobia
Marbles
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: fibreoptix on July 04, 2013, 05:34:07 AM
Straws, Brave, Anoraknophobia, Happiness.

Although really you could swap any of he four out for Fugazi, Sunlight, Radiation or Sounds and I'd still be happy.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on July 04, 2013, 05:37:46 AM
Clutching at Straws
Season's End
This Strange Engine
Marbles (2CD version, otherwise Sounds That Can't Be Made)

That last one was killing me, as was the second one, between Season's End and Brave. I'm not too big on the third one, with TSE being my favourite there, so that was easy, and CAS is my favourite Marillion album ever, so, again, easy.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Jaq on July 04, 2013, 10:04:29 AM
Misplaced Childhood
Afraid of Sunlight
Anoraknophobia
Sounds That Can't Be Made.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 04, 2013, 03:15:10 PM
Misplaced Childhood
Seasons End
marillion.com (this one is practically tied with Anoraknophobia)
Marbles (2 CD)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 04, 2013, 04:42:20 PM
Where can I get this magical 2CD edition of Marbles?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 04, 2013, 04:43:11 PM
Where can I get this magical 2CD edition of Marbles?
marillion.com

It's available as a CD or download.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 04, 2013, 04:43:44 PM
Where can I get this magical 2CD edition of Marbles?
marillion.com

I see CMDistro has it too..:

https://www.cmdistro.com/Item/Marillion_-_Marbles_-2CD-/43903 hrmm
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 04, 2013, 04:54:43 PM
Where can I get this magical 2CD edition of Marbles?
marillion.com

I see CMDistro has it too..:

https://www.cmdistro.com/Item/Marillion_-_Marbles_-2CD-/43903 hrmm
I'd get it from their website, just to make sure they don't accidentally send you the regular edition instead.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 04, 2013, 04:56:45 PM

I'd get it from their website, just to make sure they don't accidentally send you the regular edition instead.

It's about 6$ more not including shipping direct...

damn

https://www.amazon.com/Marbles-Marillion/dp/B004QK6TZA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372978807&sr=8-1&keywords=marillion+marbles

Amazon also lists this as 2 disc... hrmm
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on July 04, 2013, 05:29:51 PM
The recent Madfish rerelease was the 2-disc edition, if that's what you're looking for.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on July 04, 2013, 05:39:12 PM
I waited almost 9 years to pick up Marbles....at first I couldn't find it, then I just refused to buy half a product.

Just a few months ago, I saw the Madfish version at a local CD shop.   It was worth every minute, and every penny.   Ocean Cloud is the best Marillion song I've ever heard.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 04, 2013, 05:44:18 PM
The recent Madfish rerelease was the 2-disc edition, if that's what you're looking for.

Cool. Got it and picked up STCBM too.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 04, 2013, 05:46:08 PM
I waited almost 9 years to pick up Marbles....at first I couldn't find it, then I just refused to buy half a product.

Just a few months ago, I saw the Madfish version at a local CD shop.   It was worth every minute, and every penny.   Ocean Cloud is the best Marillion song I've ever heard.
Ocean Cloud is my favorite Marillion song as well. Seeing it live last year was such an incredible experience. I was in shock when they started playing it as I never thought I'd ever get to hear it live.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on July 04, 2013, 06:36:20 PM
Yeah, it's my favorite Marillion song as well.  ;D

I really do like the Madfish rereleases. Along with the Pendragon ones, they look pretty neat on the shelf.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 04, 2013, 06:41:21 PM
It makes me sad how there's no love for Happiness Is The Road. I love that album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 04, 2013, 06:47:20 PM
It makes me sad how there's no love for Happiness Is The Road. I love that album.
I love it too. This Train Is My Life, Real Tears For Sale, Asylum Satellite #1, and Happiness Is The Road are some of my favorites.

I also think Somewhere Else is very underrated. Maybe it's because it was my first Marillion album so there's a sentimental aspect, but I really enjoy it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 04, 2013, 06:55:36 PM
Along with the Pendragon ones, they look pretty neat on the shelf.

What's this?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on July 04, 2013, 07:50:51 PM
Along with the Pendragon ones, they look pretty neat on the shelf.

What's this?

The Madfish label rereleased a few of the old Pendragon albums as well, though they aren't in a little book-like package like the Marillion ones are. Just jewelcase with slip covers over them. Still made them easier to find though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 04, 2013, 08:19:41 PM
It makes me sad how there's no love for Happiness Is The Road. I love that album.
I love it too. This Train Is My Life, Real Tears For Sale, Asylum Satellite #1, and Happiness Is The Road are some of my favorites.

\o

I'd add Essence and Trap The Spark to that.

I also think Somewhere Else is very underrated. Maybe it's because it was my first Marillion album so there's a sentimental aspect, but I really enjoy it.

I have yet to hear Somewhere Else. I should pick it up.


goodbye extra cash...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 04, 2013, 08:28:07 PM
*\o

Essence is great as well! I don't really remember what Trap The Spark sounds like though. Got to listen to the albums again soon!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: chaotic_ripper on July 04, 2013, 10:04:01 PM
Somewhere Else is underrated.  It's hard to follow-up an album like Marbles. But Somewhere Else is very good. Not life-changing by any means...but very good
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 05, 2013, 06:51:05 PM
Picked up Clutching at Straws and Seasons End today too. 6.99 each at bestbuy.com.. I figured why not.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 05, 2013, 07:02:09 PM
Picked up Clutching at Straws and Seasons End today too. 6.99 each at bestbuy.com.. I figured why not.

One of my favorite albums ever.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 05, 2013, 07:08:54 PM
Picked up Clutching at Straws and Seasons End today too. 6.99 each at bestbuy.com.. I figured why not.

One of my favorite albums ever.

which one?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 05, 2013, 07:28:56 PM
Oops, my eyes saw Clutching at straws and everything else was blocked out, so that was what I was referring too, but that's not to say that Seasons End doesn't have its merits. Despite being a huge Fish mark, Easter is probably my favorite Marillion song. And the title track from Seasons End is hot too.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lolzeez on July 06, 2013, 07:57:00 AM
Picked up Clutching at Straws and Seasons End today too. 6.99 each at bestbuy.com.. I figured why not.
Both are awesome albums but I prefer Seasons End.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 06, 2013, 08:43:17 AM
Picked up Clutching at Straws and Seasons End today too. 6.99 each at bestbuy.com.. I figured why not.
Both are awesome albums but I prefer Seasons End.

:)

So I've got: Seasons End, Marbles (2CD), Clutching at Straws, STCBM, Misplaced Childhood  - all en route. Should have them all by the end of next week.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on July 06, 2013, 09:00:06 AM
 :tup Misplaced Childhood is the album that got me into prog. And Straws is pretty damn sweet as well!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 06, 2013, 09:07:50 AM
:tup Misplaced Childhood is the album that got me into prog. And Straws is pretty damn sweet as well!

Yeah I scored M.P on Vinyl a few weeks back for 4 bucks locally at a used record shop.  Decided to pick up the CD too.. listening to a lot of Marillion on Pandora the last couple days.. why didn't I pick up on them sooner?

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 06, 2013, 02:17:19 PM
Found Afraid of Sunlight at a used CD shop for 3.99. Can't beat that.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 06, 2013, 02:48:36 PM
Speaking of used Marillion CDs, I was at my local FYE recently and saw someone had sold their original CD issues of the band's first four albums (and maybe Seasons End, Holidays In Eden and Brave as well, I don't recall). It was weird and a bit saddening that I saw them there since it probably means that someone either REALLY needed the money or just wasn't a fan of the music anymore. Or perhaps it was some guy's mother who decided to sell off his collection of prog albums, because I also saw some other albums that were prog and prog-related.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 06, 2013, 06:02:28 PM

So I've got: Seasons End, Marbles (2CD), Clutching at Straws, STCBM, Misplaced Childhood  - all en route. Should have them all by the end of next week.

You are in for a treat my friend.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 06, 2013, 10:10:31 PM
Just won an ebay auction for:

SEASON'S END/HOLIDAYS IN EDEN/BRAVE/STRANGE ENGINE

So the Season's End I have ordered at BBY.com will be canceled.  Woo more discs!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 07, 2013, 06:40:00 PM
Damn. there's a 4 pack 'box' on Amazon I could have got for less than buying some of these individually.. gah

It was Misplaced Childhood, Clutching at Straws, Seasons End and Holidays in Eden for like 17.50 on amazon.  I think I ended up paying close to $23 (and two of them used)..

I hate it when I find better deals later.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 07, 2013, 07:16:44 PM
Damn. there's a 4 pack 'box' on Amazon I could have got for less than buying some of these individually.. gah

It was Misplaced Childhood, Clutching at Straws, Seasons End and Holidays in Eden for like 17.50 on amazon.  I think I ended up paying close to $23 (and two of them used)..

I hate it when I find better deals later.


Are those (or the ones you DID order) the 2-Disc Special Edition EMI Remasters that were released, with the letters MARILLION on the spines across the first 8 albums?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 07, 2013, 07:24:15 PM
Damn. there's a 4 pack 'box' on Amazon I could have got for less than buying some of these individually.. gah

It was Misplaced Childhood, Clutching at Straws, Seasons End and Holidays in Eden for like 17.50 on amazon.  I think I ended up paying close to $23 (and two of them used)..

I hate it when I find better deals later.


Are those (or the ones you DID order) the 2-Disc Special Edition EMI Remasters that were released, with the letters MARILLION on the spines across the first 8 albums?

-Marc.

Not sure, they haven't arrived yet.  Is there a problem with those? I don't recall any of them other than Marbles being a Madfish/2CD release...


It seems Misplaced Childhood is 1 disc according to amazon, but the autorip gave me the 2 disc EMI Remaster.
Season's End and Clutching at straws are listed as 1 CD.  I'm sure the Holiday's in Eden is too (that one is off eBay)

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 07, 2013, 10:25:09 PM
Nothing's wrong with them, they're absolutely great! The 2nd discs are full of demos and other cool tracks, as well as the B-Sides from singles.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 08, 2013, 03:32:00 AM
Definitely go for the 2-disc versions, especially "Clutching at Straws", which has the demos for their next, aborted, album. The 2-disc of "Seasons End" is long out-of-print though, so good luck tracking that down!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 08, 2013, 07:22:22 AM
Definitely go for the 2-disc versions, especially "Clutching at Straws", which has the demos for their next, aborted, album. The 2-disc of "Seasons End" is long out-of-print though, so good luck tracking that down!

i'm not having any luck tracking down anything 2 disc except marbles. most of what i've ordered has been single disc...

*edit: rather I should say without them being 20+ dollars.  For instance Clutching At Straws (1 disc) was 6.99.. 2 disc is 21 on amazon. HRMM But some resellers have it for 7 bucks new + 3.99 ship.



Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 10, 2013, 07:50:30 PM
So the 4 discs I got from eBay came. Discs are in immaculate shape, but the jewel cases and liners are yellowed horribly.  Upon opening the package a stench came forth. I think it's cigarette smoke (which could explain the yellowing).. my wife thinks it's cat pee/ammonia.

Not pleased :(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: sueño on July 10, 2013, 08:58:45 PM
I waited almost 9 years to pick up Marbles....at first I couldn't find it, then I just refused to buy half a product.

Just a few months ago, I saw the Madfish version at a local CD shop.   It was worth every minute, and every penny.   Ocean Cloud is the best Marillion song I've ever heard.
Ocean Cloud is my favorite Marillion song as well. Seeing it live last year was such an incredible experience. I was in shock when they started playing it as I never thought I'd ever get to hear it live.

I've just now heard Ocean Cloud.  It is amazingly beautiful and lyrics are profound.  Love it!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 10, 2013, 09:01:07 PM
I waited almost 9 years to pick up Marbles....at first I couldn't find it, then I just refused to buy half a product.

Just a few months ago, I saw the Madfish version at a local CD shop.   It was worth every minute, and every penny.   Ocean Cloud is the best Marillion song I've ever heard.
Ocean Cloud is my favorite Marillion song as well. Seeing it live last year was such an incredible experience. I was in shock when they started playing it as I never thought I'd ever get to hear it live.
I've just now heard Ocean Cloud.  It is amazingly beautiful and lyrics are profound.  Love it!
:tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 10, 2013, 11:04:11 PM
Definitely go for the 2-disc versions, especially "Clutching at Straws", which has the demos for their next, aborted, album. The 2-disc of "Seasons End" is long out-of-print though, so good luck tracking that down!

Those demos depress the crap out of me to this day.  I've been okay with the split since about the time This Strange Engine came out, but listening to those demos still gives me the raw feeling of being stabbed in the heart.

I guess that's why I don't listen to those demos much. Even listening to Kevin Gilbert doesn't affect me the way those demos do.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 11, 2013, 08:59:20 AM
Those demos depress the crap out of me to this day.  I've been okay with the split since about the time This Strange Engine came out, but listening to those demos still gives me the raw feeling of being stabbed in the heart.

I guess that's why I don't listen to those demos much. Even listening to Kevin Gilbert doesn't affect me the way those demos do.

Why is this?   I don't know anything about the demos. You just like the Fish era stuff that much?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 11, 2013, 11:06:11 AM
I think he means they showed a lot of promise.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 13, 2013, 02:08:23 PM
I think he means they showed a lot of promise.

Exactly. Think of it as the lyrics to A Vigil In A Wildreness of Mirrors married to the music of Seasons End (both of which I think are brilliant) To this day, I think it would have been the best album they'd have recorded to that point.

But things were so bad by that point that even if the band had managed to record it, they wouldn't have made it to tour rehearsals.


I don't have anything against Hogarth (except when he tries to sing Fish songs.)
His voice has really matured over the years and I like his voice much better now than when he started (Especially live.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 13, 2013, 02:12:37 PM
H is awesome. He's one of my favorite singers.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 13, 2013, 03:09:31 PM
H is awesome. He's one of my favorite singers.
I can see why so many people don't like him but I love his voice too.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 21, 2013, 04:45:10 PM
Does anyone know why the Seasons End 2 disc remaster got discontinued?  It makes me has a sad that I can't find it without getting bent over price wise. Especially the 24bit remaster.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 21, 2013, 09:13:37 PM
I actually recently found a copy of Season's End on vinyl. But afa the remaster, it may be common knowledge amongst the hardcores, but Lucy Jordache I'm sure would be willing to answer that question. Maybeit was due to lack of sales. I'm not sure how many of those remasters from the late 90's are still in print.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 21, 2013, 10:49:25 PM
I guess I was lucky enough to buy the 2 disc of Seasons End, although I forgot when I bought it, I think 4-5years ago.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Beowulf on July 25, 2013, 01:03:21 PM
Never could get into the post-Fish era.  But the live version of Misplaced Childhood on the double-live La Gazza Ladra is spectacular.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 25, 2013, 01:09:48 PM
I actually recently found a copy of Season's End of vinyl. But afa the remaster, it may be common knowledge amongst the hardcores, but Lucy Jordache I'm sure would be willing to answer that question. Maybeit was due to lack of sales. I'm not sure how many of those remasters from the late 90's are still in print.

Lucy said via twitter (when I asked) that it was just EMI's decision..that was it.

LAME
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 29, 2013, 03:06:50 PM
Got Marbles today. :D

Will post my thoughts later. Unless I don't have any. :P
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 29, 2013, 03:28:13 PM
anyone else see the email for the Afraid of Sunlight/Clutching Vinyl re-releases? I probably shouldn't have to think about it as I need copies of both (I have CaS, but my copy is in poor shape).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 29, 2013, 08:06:18 PM
Never could get into the post-Fish era.  But the live version of Misplaced Childhood on the double-live La Gazza Ladra is spectacular.

Really?  I prefer the version on Curtain Call.  More energy there.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mister Gold on August 07, 2013, 09:02:22 PM
Out of curiosity, what would be the best H-era Marillion album to start off with? Season's End or Marbles or perhaps another album?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on August 08, 2013, 01:55:28 AM
Brave, Marbles and STCBM are probably the best, so any of those would be a good starting point.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 08, 2013, 04:19:14 AM
Out of curiosity, what would be the best H-era Marillion album to start off with? Season's End or Marbles or perhaps another album?

I would suggest afraid of sunlight honestly, since its very accessible.

 When I first was trying to get into H-era, I immediately went out and got Brave since that was the album to get, but it just didn't click with me and ended up delaying my interest in H-era. So I would hold of on brave. Marbles is really good since it has Ocean Cloud which really is incredible.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on August 08, 2013, 04:53:11 AM
Season´s End is a very good starting point.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lolzeez on August 08, 2013, 05:00:29 AM
I started with Brave and it was quite awesome.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 08, 2013, 05:22:11 PM
Out of curiosity, what would be the best H-era Marillion album to start off with? Season's End or Marbles or perhaps another album?

After re-listening to Brave today, for the first time in a long while, forget what I said. Go get Brave.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 08, 2013, 05:24:45 PM
I have Happiness Is The Road Part One, Marbles, and Seasons End. While Happiness.. is my favorite, I think most would recommend Marbles.

I've heard good things about Brave, as well, though I can't comment on that one personally.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on August 08, 2013, 06:30:35 PM
Brave is brilliant but it took me a few listens before I fully appreciated it. I absolutely love it, but I wouldn't recommend it as a starting place. Seasons End is definitely a great first choice.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jcmoorehead on August 09, 2013, 06:52:02 AM
I had Marbles recommended to me as my first H-Era Marillion album, I have to agree it is fantastic especially Neverland. The thing I have found with the H-Era stuff I have listened to is that it doesn't click straight away, and they're definitely 'headphone albums', Brave especially because as brilliant as it is it took a few listens to really grasp how amazing it is.

That said I might not be the best person to recommend material as I only have Marbles, Sounds and Brave from the H-Era, really need to seek out more.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: T-ski on August 09, 2013, 09:19:28 AM
if you get "Marbles" make sure you don't make the mistake I did and get the copy WITHOUT "Ocean Cloud" on it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Jaq on August 09, 2013, 06:12:37 PM
Afraid of Sunlight would be my choice. Season's End is somewhere in between what the band were with Fish and what they became, Brave is just really dense-Afraid of Sunlight is far more accessible and is probably the most consistent of the "early" H albums. Then get the double CD version of Marbles to get into what the band's become since then.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on August 09, 2013, 06:29:25 PM
Afraid of Sunlight would be my choice.

This would be mine too. It's also where I started with them.  Tracks #3 (Beautiful) and Track #6 (Afraid of Sunlight) blow my mind when I listen.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 13, 2013, 02:37:16 PM
I popped in the 1983 Reading festival gig over the weekend, the one where they've announced they've signed to EMI.

It's been a while since I took it off the shelf and forgot how much of a celebration it was.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on September 04, 2013, 07:38:01 AM
I think I scored the 2 Disc Season's End OOP edition on eBay last night.  The track listing matches and the album art matches the 24-bit remaster.

11.50 shipped. I can handle that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 06, 2013, 07:16:16 PM
I think I scored the 2 Disc Season's End OOP edition on eBay last night.  The track listing matches and the album art matches the 24-bit remaster.

11.50 shipped. I can handle that.

Good deal.  I paid $23 each for all of them when they were first released.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 07, 2013, 05:45:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FYxzOIojerA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FYxzOIojerA)

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 11, 2013, 04:44:18 PM
I should put on the live DVD from the Season End Tour. It's been a while since I've seen it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 14, 2013, 01:37:06 AM
Though this is a Marillion thread, I am having a bitch of a time finding the download purchase for Fish's new album Feast of Consequences. It was supposed to be available today per an email I got from Fishheads Club, but I don't see it anywhere.



Edit: nevermind, it was up when I awoke :)




Another edit: And it's fucking amazing...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 15, 2013, 10:45:36 AM
https://fishheadsclub.com/2013/09/04/a-feast-of-consequences-delays-and-solutions/

I will put the deluxe version up for sale in the shop on the 14th again but with the disclaimer that it won’t be in stock until the 25th September. All the pre orders will be sent out first
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 15, 2013, 07:57:34 PM
https://fishheadsclub.com/2013/09/04/a-feast-of-consequences-delays-and-solutions/

I will put the deluxe version up for sale in the shop on the 14th again but with the disclaimer that it won’t be in stock until the 25th September. All the pre orders will be sent out first

Already pre-ordered.  I'm not even sure why I listened to this as it's something I almost never do but I was surfing around and fell over it. I suppose curiosity got the better of me.  All I can say is I hope the final product is improved.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nctW8nHDhes
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 15, 2013, 10:54:13 PM
The High Wood suite is easily the highlight of the album, though Perfume River is a stellar song also. Crucifix Corner is quickly moving up the ranks of my all time favorites from Fish, it's so haunting.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: fibreoptix on September 16, 2013, 06:16:22 AM
What? FoC finally got released? I totally forgot this was even a thing! I gotta find this immediately.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 16, 2013, 06:53:40 AM
On first listen, it's a fantastic return to form.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 16, 2013, 05:29:59 PM
Agreed. He really nails it, especially in the High Wood suite.


And for those interested, here's my review of Feast of Consequences...(spoilers, lots of them)

https://www.ladyobscure.com/albums/fish-feast-of-consequences/ (https://www.ladyobscure.com/albums/fish-feast-of-consequences/)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 17, 2013, 03:57:08 AM
Fantastic review, RJ!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 20, 2013, 04:52:50 PM
I'm hoping Feast is as good as everyone seems to say it is.

It's been a long six-year wait for some new music.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 02, 2013, 06:45:12 PM
I've got Brave on at the moment. so good.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on October 05, 2013, 10:23:14 AM
I'm hoping Feast is as good as everyone seems to say it is.

It's been a long six-year wait for some new music.
Its his best album to date, imo. and I have all his albums.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 06, 2013, 12:11:29 AM
I'm with Tick on this, Feast is a tremendous album.


Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 12, 2013, 12:01:28 PM
Okay, I cheated and stole a few semi-attentive listens in the car (Still haven't read the book or watched the DVD. I planned to read the book along with my first listen of the album) and I was wrong.
This is the main reason why I don't like listening to ANYTHING in advance unless I have the CD in my hands ready to go.


High Wood is good, but so is the rest of it.

 I'm not ready to call this his best album, but I'm willing to admit it's as good as the last one, which I haven't really been able to say about back to back Fish albums since A Vigil In A Wilderness of Mirrors and Internal Exile. I think Roger Waters meets 13th Star is a good thing. I didn't really expect this to be this good. I can't wait to dig into the book and the DVD and get this signed print framed.

I have a bad feeling that there won't be a tour for us in the US.  Maybe he goes on the cruise with Marillion. How crazy would that be?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jonny108 on October 13, 2013, 06:34:57 PM
A little bit drunk and haven't really read much of this thread, but just want to say Market Square Heroes is still my favourite Marillion song. This Strange Engine follows with a close second.  Dat outro  :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 13, 2013, 06:59:58 PM
I think its time I revisit Script for a jester's tear
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on October 13, 2013, 08:12:44 PM
I think its time I revisit Script for a jester's tear

I like the debut a lot, and I like throwing in the pre-debut singles, as well as "Grendel", into the mix as well. I made my own "if SFAJT was a 2 LP vinyl back in the day" track list...

Script For A Jester's Tear
Garden Party
Three Boats Down From The Candy
The Web
Charting The Single
He Knows You Know
Chelsea Monday
Market Square Heroes
Forgotten Sons
Grendel

Great songs for a debut and the whole era. I'd say they  have one of the strongest debuts of 80's prog bands, to be honest, and I am glad the band is still around to this day! Them and IQ, although I'm sure Marillion has been hitting higher highs than IQ...

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 18, 2013, 06:56:49 PM
I think its time I revisit Script for a jester's tear

I like the debut a lot, and I like throwing in the pre-debut singles, as well as "Grendel", into the mix as well. I made my own "if SFAJT was a 2 LP vinyl back in the day" track list...

Script For A Jester's Tear
Garden Party
Three Boats Down From The Candy
The Web
Charting The Single
He Knows You Know
Chelsea Monday
Market Square Heroes
Forgotten Sons
Grendel

Great songs for a debut and the whole era. I'd say they  have one of the strongest debuts of 80's prog bands, to be honest, and I am glad the band is still around to this day! Them and IQ, although I'm sure Marillion has been hitting higher highs than IQ...

-Marc.

I really don't listen to this album very much. Probably my least favorite of the Fish years.  However, the live gigs from this era are pretty amazing (despite Mosley not being in the band yet) It's unbelieveable how good these gigs are.  I really wish I'd known about them and seen them in person then.

 It's really a whole other level. These songs just come alive. Many bands just don't deliver like this one did. Hell, Grendel is even amazingly performed.




...and the new Fish album just getts better and better. I really didn't think he had it in him with all of his other commitments.
 
Keeping Vantsis on board really helped.  I still have to dig into the DVD and book. Haven't gotten to that yet.

Too much bloody good music around these days.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 22, 2013, 07:30:51 PM
Is the new Fish album a masterpiece or what? I never thought it would be as good if not better than the last one.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 29, 2013, 05:41:32 AM
Yes, it is.... :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 01, 2013, 08:08:22 PM
...and so is Misplaced Childhood (especially live.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on December 15, 2013, 12:16:40 PM
The Carol of the Bells
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x_qMcIRbdU
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: kingshmegland on December 15, 2013, 12:31:37 PM
...and so is Misplaced Childhood (especially live.)

1986 concert cred.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on December 15, 2013, 03:51:06 PM
Is the new Fish album a masterpiece or what? I never thought it would be as good if not better than the last one.

I need to get this, but I can't find it in the US like on Amazon in physical format?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 18, 2013, 07:33:40 PM
Listening to Marbles today. Lots of fantastic moments on this record. I'm becoming a huge fan of Steve Rothery.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 24, 2013, 04:24:21 PM
The Carol of the Bells
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x_qMcIRbdU

Brilliant!  Too bad this isn't on CD.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 24, 2013, 04:26:12 PM
Listening to Marbles today. Lots of fantastic moments on this record. I'm becoming a huge fan of Steve Rothery.

You'll enjoy this then.

Merry Christmas!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIT9ZvcECAo
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 24, 2013, 04:30:47 PM
Is the new Fish album a masterpiece or what? I never thought it would be as good if not better than the last one.

I need to get this, but I can't find it in the US like on Amazon in physical format?

www.fishheadsclub.com
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on December 26, 2013, 01:36:30 PM
Is the new Fish album a masterpiece or what? I never thought it would be as good if not better than the last one.

I need to get this, but I can't find it in the US like on Amazon in physical format?

www.fishheadsclub.com

Yeah I know, I just don't want to import it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 27, 2013, 06:22:51 PM
Is the new Fish album a masterpiece or what? I never thought it would be as good if not better than the last one.

I need to get this, but I can't find it in the US like on Amazon in physical format?

www.fishheadsclub.com

Yeah I know, I just don't want to import it.

Not 100 percent positive, but I think it's the only way you can get it at the moment.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on December 28, 2013, 10:48:27 AM
Steve Rothery's solo band is releasing an album next year, and he currently has a live album out to download for under $1/pay what you want.
https://www.progrockmag.com/news/marillion-steve-rothery-offers-llive-album-for-50p/
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 01, 2014, 11:22:27 AM
Steve Rothery's solo band is releasing an album next year, and he currently has a live album out to download for under $1/pay what you want.
https://www.progrockmag.com/news/marillion-steve-rothery-offers-llive-album-for-50p/

I'm not a downloader, but I was tempted by this a few weeks back and got it. Only listened to it twice so far, but I think it's pretty amazing.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on January 14, 2014, 09:29:26 AM
So I ordered Feast of Consequences from Fish's store, I got a download for the mp3s.

One listen in, this album is amazeballs.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 14, 2014, 08:27:57 PM
Same here -- I bought it a couple weeks ago and it has stayed in rotation in the CD player in my car.  Great stuff by Fish!!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 14, 2014, 08:28:25 PM
So I ordered Feast of Consequences from Fish's store, I got a download for the mp3s.

One listen in, this album is amazeballs.

We listened to this again over the weekend.

It's even better than amazeballs. Honsestly, I didn't think he still had it in him. 

The last time he created back to back no-brainer classics were A Vigil In A Wilderness of Mirrors and Internal Exile.  Sunsets On Empire was another masterpiece but the followup Raingods With Zippos was kind of uneven.

I've been told that he's trying to put some US dates together for much later in the year, but I'll believe it when they are finalized.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on January 15, 2014, 09:07:33 AM

I've been told that he's trying to put some US dates together for much later in the year, but I'll believe it when they are finalized.

Being that I'm in TX I'm still not holding my breath. I'd be amazed if he came into the area at all.

I only have Vigil and Feast. I only came into Fish's work through Marillion late 2013.

Just got Internal Exile off eBay for under 6 bucks.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 16, 2014, 07:39:56 PM
If a tour happens at all the best it will be is a handful of east coast dates, a few in California and maybe a few in the mid-west (Chicago.)

There would be a few Canadian dates too.

We'll be lucky if it's a two-week tour.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 26, 2014, 11:40:21 AM
bump.

17 minute short to be followed by a full-length doc about the fans and the band next March.
https://vimeo.com/96234194

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HolidaysAnoraks on September 26, 2014, 04:46:34 PM
That sounds promising. For 2015  they've announced that Friday night of MW is Anoraknophobia and Saturday is Marbles. I think Sunday will probably be a new album, which they are supposedly in the process of making, but that's just my guess.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on September 26, 2014, 07:52:33 PM
That sounds promising. For 2015  they've announced that Friday night of MW is Anoraknophobia and Saturday is Marbles. I think Sunday will probably be a new album, which they are supposedly in the process of making, but that's just my guess.

Holy crap, two of my favorite Latter-Day Marillion albums. I'm assuming it'll be the complete 2-CD edition of Marbles? I hope they do it all in album order, this time around, as opposed to Marbles By The Sea, which had some of the tracks rearranged.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HolidaysAnoraks on September 27, 2014, 07:27:25 PM
I'm assuming it is the two disc version. Honestly, I've always thought that the studio performances of the Marbles tracks seemed flat compared to their live counterparts, so when the live recording eventually comes out it will probably be my go to release when I want to hear the album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 29, 2014, 04:12:35 AM
Highly unlikely the Sunday will be the new album - If they do have any tracks ready to preview, we might hear one or two, but I doubt we'll get the whole lot. Still gutted they've overlooked the marillion.com album, was looking forward to seeing Interior Lulu too...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mister Gold on October 09, 2014, 01:09:16 PM
Been revisiting this band lately and I gotta say that I think Seasons End might be my new favorite from them. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on October 09, 2014, 01:22:10 PM
I've listened to a bunch of Marillion albums from both eras and I'm slowly becoming a fan. :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 10, 2014, 01:32:15 PM
Steve Rothery's Live in Rome CD is kicking my ass lately.  Haven't watched the companion DVD yet though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on October 10, 2014, 01:38:19 PM
Steve Rothery's Live in Rome CD is kicking my ass lately.  Haven't watched the companion DVD yet though.

Indeed. Though I'm kind of dissapointed because it's basically the same track listing as his "Live in Plovdiv" he's selling through bandcamp or whatever.

https://steverothery.bandcamp.com/album/steve-rothery-band-live-in-plovdiv
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on October 10, 2014, 01:42:19 PM
I've listened to a bunch of Marillion albums from both eras and I'm slowly becoming a fan. :tup

I've been playing the Fish albums in the last couple of weeks. Just awesome stuff.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mister Gold on October 10, 2014, 09:13:01 PM
I've listened to a bunch of Marillion albums from both eras and I'm slowly becoming a fan. :tup

I've been playing the Fish albums in the last couple of weeks. Just awesome stuff.

It's funny. I got into the band because of the Fish albums, but once I came across the H material, I hadn't really paid attention to the Fish albums for a long time. After revisiting that stuff lately, I think the band's two best albums were probably Clutching at Straws and Seasons End. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 10, 2014, 11:47:42 PM
Gave Clutching at Straws a full spin tonight, fist time in a long time. Was violently reminded why it topped my top 50 list, easily the most emotionally powerful album I know of. So fucking good man...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on October 11, 2014, 09:12:23 AM
Gave Clutching at Straws a full spin tonight, fist time in a long time. Was violently reminded why it topped my top 50 list, easily the most emotionally powerful album I know of. So fucking good man...

That's why it's in my top 10.

And I finally paid to get Feast from England a few days ago. After a really strong showing with 13th Star he actually managed to go a step above with this I think. The album is less in your face and more balanced, more Fish-like I would say, and it works well. Also a step up in production I would say. Overall very pleased.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mister Gold on October 12, 2014, 06:01:03 PM
Yeah, I started listening to A Feast of Consequences the other day. Incredible album! :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 13, 2014, 09:34:37 PM
Yeah, I started listening to A Feast of Consequences the other day. Incredible album! :metal

I think that album is a masterpiece. Even better than his last one.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 17, 2014, 01:00:36 PM
Marillion & Fans: The Movie
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1593051707/marillion-and-fans-the-movie
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 20, 2014, 05:04:10 PM
Just putting this here in the spirit of reliving an amazing evening....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1d0c-I4baU
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on April 07, 2015, 11:30:23 PM
Fish releases deluxe re-releases of solo-discs. This is from his Facebooksite.

Ok I know there are going to be an avalanche of questions as to choices/ formats etc etc etc so I'll try and cover what I think will be FAQ's now.

In 2001 when I moved from the house to my present residence ,The Studio a lot of things went missing including some demos and other recordings of ideas.

I was never one for making demos as there was no one to get opinions from, no record company to get an ok from and when we worked on songs we rarely kept track of progress.What there was wasn't really logged as the material wasn't that great in early stages so I wasn't inspired to hoard it as some artists do.

Because I had my own studio we worked on ideas and erased what wasn't good enough. I never took the Bruce Springsteen route of writing loads of material and choosing the best for the album. If it wasn't good enough I mostly discarded it or salvaged sections to be worked on that became the finished songs.

As the studio recordings up until 1998 were made using a Mitsubishi 32 track digital and a 24 track Studer analogue machine I have 2 different sizes of tape ( one inch and 2 inch respectively). I closed the studio at the end of 98.

These machines are now relative rarities and expensive to hire to make digital copies. I had to sell mine when I closed the studio as a refurbishment to keep it commercially viable was impossible to realise and I was under tremendous pressure from my bank to pay back loans and a crippling overdraft. The recorders and most of the equipment went in a "fire sale" delivering a pittance that was a band aid on a burst artery!

Another story for the autobiography!

The tapes, which I still have would have to be "baked" to allow them to run on the machines. To be absolutely frank the cost of doing this is prohibitive as I don't honestly think there are enough potential sales outside the loyal fan base to make it viable. More harsh realities!

Full remixes on "Sunsets" and "Raingods" are therefore not feasible.

"Fellini Days" is another issue. That album was recorded on hard drives. The tech was young and the formats now old. The drives were not backed up and when I examined them 2 years ago the actual physical characteristics of the drive were totally corrupted and despite sending them off to be rescued at a recognised firm the contents were irretrievable.The multi track copy was lost forever!

Chris Kimsey was to remix "Raingods", "Fellini Days" and "Field of Crows" but in the end only "Field" was accessible. He's done a superlative job on the songs and his remix alone makes it practically a brand new album!

Calum Malcolm has mastered nearly all the albums and the live material so he has access to the stereo files. These are decent sizes but not all available in 24 bit. Please don't go into techy issues with me as I am a singer not an engineer. I can get info from Calum but even I know now we don't have sooper dooper sizes available.He is remastering every single track to get the best out of them that he can and I know he will make them sound great.

Regarding 5-1 mixes again the expense overrules the implementation. I talked to Steven Wilson and Nick Beggs about this at the gig in Edinburgh recently and had already discussed them with Calum on the "Feast" sessions. There isn't the demand you may think and once again the cost overrules the reality. It's a promo tool that is very expensive and even Steve said that he is overrun with requests from clients with far bigger fan bases than I have with far heftier budgets from major labels supporting them.

The live tracks I have chosen together with Steve Vantsis are what I consider great versions and stand together with the studio material in the packages. A lot of the original live albums are out of print or deleted and the others that exist will not be reproduced. The live versions stand together with the original recordings to give an overall insight into the different renditions across the years and across the various line ups. They are I believe the definitive versions although some of you will disagree. They are what I have available and were chosen originally from ranks of recordings as being the best at the time.

Vinyl versions will eventually be available but it won't be the 3 cd version and they will be 2 albums on 180 gramme vinyl. Again tbh I can't afford to invest huge amounts in production of titles across different formats. It has to be done bit by bit.

The full albums will be available for download but I am restricting streaming sites to a few tracks per album and won't be putting everything up.

I've thought long and hard about these re releases and seeing copies of the originals going on e bay for 30-60 pounds it's time to get my solo catalogue out there in a final definitive form at a reasonable price.

I've got a hell of a lot of work to put in on the content of the actual packaging together with Mark Wilkinson in the coming months to make this something really worth having for fans and people discovering my songs.

 These are the final versions that I'm delivering as the legacy. I hope you like them!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 08, 2015, 04:38:40 AM
"Vinyl versions will eventually be available but it won't be the 3 cd version and they will be 2 albums on 180 gramme vinyl. Again tbh I can't afford to invest huge amounts in production of titles across different formats. It has to be done bit by bit."
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on April 09, 2015, 09:28:35 AM
And I finally paid to get Feast from England a few days ago. After a really strong showing with 13th Star he actually managed to go a step above with this I think. The album is less in your face and more balanced, more Fish-like I would say, and it works well. Also a step up in production I would say. Overall very pleased.

The deluxe version of feast is quite beautiful.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 12, 2015, 01:12:29 PM
I'm sure the vinyl will be great, but I'll be picking up the CDs again.

Have all of the various originals and remasters anyway so I'll be taking the plunge one last time.

I guess I'm fortunate to have all of those live releases since they are being left to the sands of time.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on April 15, 2015, 05:28:31 AM
Just got back from the UK Marillion Weekend. F*ck, they were the best gigs I've ever been to.

Friday - the Anoraknophobia Album. What a great collection of songs, all of which have extra energy when played live. This Strange Engine and Gaza as encores.

Saturday - the Marbles Album. The production, lights, lasers and projections made this phenomenal, the biggest thing the band have ever done. Hogarth gave it everything, and it was truly moving. The ovation after Ocean Cloud will stay in my memory a long time.

Sunday - Party night! I won't spoil it for anyone going to Montreal, but the band came on at full throttle and never let up. The crowd went wild - best gig I've ever been to. I love this band!!!!! :metal :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on April 15, 2015, 09:30:28 AM
Had to check the set since I'm nowhere near going to Montreal.


Dude.....  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on April 16, 2015, 12:04:59 AM
They played Marbles?! The 2 disc version? Wow...I wonder if they'll bother to release another live version of Marbles. I wouldn't mind as I've not been able to track down the first one they released awhile ago.

I'd definitely will get a live Anoraknophobia at some point though

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on April 16, 2015, 12:13:57 AM
i bet "Ocean Cloud" was transcendental. what a song!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on April 16, 2015, 12:20:24 AM
i bet "Ocean Cloud" was transcendental. what a song!

That song is beyond amazing.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on April 16, 2015, 02:18:21 AM
They filmed the 3 nights at Port Zeland, Netherlands for future DVD/CD release, and yes, it was the full 2 disc Marbles!  :hat
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on April 16, 2015, 09:07:46 AM
Listening to CaS again after a long break. Like everyone else.. just in awe at the music and wondering what would have come next if Fish hadn't left.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on April 16, 2015, 12:13:31 PM
They filmed the 3 nights at Port Zeland, Netherlands for future DVD/CD release, and yes, it was the full 2 disc Marbles!  :hat

Awesome, and it was performed in album order, too (from what I saw of the set list), which is unlike their performance order on their earlier full-album performance (which moved "Ocean Cloud" to the encore).

I'll happily buy all of these nights on CD and DVD. The Sunday set list looks amazing, but I'm baffled that the first night was quite a bit shorter than the rest, although those two encores after Anoraknophobia look amazing.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 16, 2015, 07:26:00 PM
Listening to CaS again after a long break. Like everyone else.. just in awe at the music and wondering what would have come next if Fish hadn't left.

I only wonder about that when I listen to the second disc. It really hits home then because the evidence is there.

Probably no surprise that I love both A Vigil In A Wilderness Of Mirrors and Seasons End.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on April 17, 2015, 10:05:17 AM
Probably no surprise that I love both A Vigil In A Wilderness Of Mirrors and Seasons End.

I just put Vigil on.  :rollin

I'll need to listen to the second disc of CaS more closely.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on April 18, 2015, 04:23:26 PM

Probably no surprise that I love both A Vigil In A Wilderness Of Mirrors and Seasons End.

This. I loved Season´s End when it came out. Then I listened to Vigil. It was just as good. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on April 18, 2015, 10:36:54 PM
Listening to CaS again after a long break. Like everyone else.. just in awe at the music and wondering what would have come next if Fish hadn't left.

I only wonder about that when I listen to the second disc. It really hits home then because the evidence is there.

Probably no surprise that I love both A Vigil In A Wilderness Of Mirrors and Seasons End.

Season's End was the first Marillion CD I ever bought. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on April 20, 2015, 07:01:35 AM
So I do a majority of my music listening at work in the background.

This morning I was listening to CaS on the way to work. That keyboard jingle in "That time of the night" hit me like a ton of bricks. Simple yet catchy.

Might be my new favorite song on CaS.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on April 30, 2015, 03:00:11 PM
Scored this on eBay

(https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTE5NVgxNjAw/z/-LEAAOSweW5VNDs8/$_57.JPG)

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 02, 2015, 03:33:28 PM
Nice!  I got one of those.

A signed litho also hangs on a wall in our dining room.

Unfortunately, the picture disc and the litho have airbrushed clown faces over where Mark Kelly and former manager John Arnison should be. They were removed from all but the initial pressings due to legal reasons. I was always bummed by that. I think it gives the piece more character.

Fish/Marillion (Mark Wilkinson) have a lot of awesome picture discs.  I think he's my favorite album artist.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 19, 2015, 10:15:08 AM
The more I listen and absorb Misplaced Childhood and CaS (I haven't gotten into Script or Fugazi yet) the more I am saddened by the split.

Watching Hogarth try and do some of the Fish era songs live (at least on Youtube) make me sad, I don't think he holds a candle. And nearly none of the H era stuff grabs me like the Fish era has.  But I think even to the bands own admittance they're more pop now than ever.

Then again we might not have had Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors, Sunsets on Empire or Feast .... if they hadn't split.


Listening now to Seasons End.. trying to get a feel for it and H's vocals are so different it's hard to even think of them as Marillion.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 19, 2015, 10:27:02 AM
It was a terrible loss. That's for sure.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 19, 2015, 10:39:37 AM
It was a terrible loss. That's for sure.

It is.

Then again, I think H took care of his voice better. Fish (again on youtube) from recent shows sounds pretty freakin bad. 

Why do singers do that?  So many wreck their voices doing dumb stuff...

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: snowdog on May 19, 2015, 12:38:02 PM
The more I listen and absorb Misplaced Childhood and CaS (I haven't gotten into Script or Fugazi yet) the more I am saddened by the split.

Watching Hogarth try and do some of the Fish era songs live (at least on Youtube) make me sad, I don't think he holds a candle.
To be fair Fish can't hold a candle to that material anymore.  I saw him several years ago at NEARFest.  It was a shame that all the CaS material he performed had to be tuned down and even then he couldn't hit the notes too well.  It's a shame.

But comparing Hogarth to Fish in his prime I do agree that Fish wins.  That said I do really like Season's End, Brave, and most of Afraid of Sunlight.  Hogarth's voice is fine on those albums it is just different than Fish.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 19, 2015, 12:53:33 PM
To be fair Fish can't hold a candle to that material anymore.  I saw him several years ago at NEARFest.  It was a shame that all the CaS material he performed had to be tuned down and even then he couldn't hit the notes too well.  It's a shame.

But comparing Hogarth to Fish in his prime I do agree that Fish wins.  That said I do really like Season's End, Brave, and most of Afraid of Sunlight.  Hogarth's voice is fine on those albums it is just different than Fish.

Yeah I mention how Fish sounds bad now.

H "sounds" fine, but there's something about Fish and how he sings, his inflection, accent and all. It really makes it stand out.  H is just kinda there singing.

Listening to Brave Now. it's ok.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: BlackInk on May 19, 2015, 01:08:26 PM
I don't listen to Marillion, but my cousin had his second daughter a few months ago, who he and his girlfriend named Leah Marillion Larnhem, after this band. Just a fun little thing I felt like sharing.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on May 19, 2015, 01:43:04 PM
In his prime, Fish's conviction and emotion could not be beat.   

But to tell you the truth, I *always* thought he was lacking as a singer.   His tone was was always really nasaly and I don't think I heard a single album where he didn't have pitch issues.   Lots of singers will hit the odd sour note live, but to have multiple takes in a studio and still have issues getting it just right?   Not good.

I do love Fish-era Marillion, but I consider Fish to be someone I like for their performance *rather than* their talent.   Perry Farrell from Jane's Addiction is someone who reminds me a bit of Fish.   Never thought Perry was a talented singer on any level whatsoever.  But his performance, emotion, and conviction was what sold it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 19, 2015, 02:05:03 PM
but to have multiple takes in a studio and still have issues getting it just right?   Not good.

Is this well known or something? I think this applies to nearly every singer and every studio session EVER. That's part of the point of the studio and professional services. Multiple takes, multiple sessions.. perfection.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on May 19, 2015, 02:09:39 PM
You're not getting what I'm saying.  Fish had multiple takes and professional services and in spite of that he STILL had issues getting it "perfect"...doesn't say a lot for his "singing" ability (which I feel he had little of in the first place)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 19, 2015, 02:14:41 PM
You're not getting what I'm saying.  Fish had multiple takes and professional services and in spite of that he STILL had issues getting it "perfect"...doesn't say a lot for his "singing" ability (which I feel he had little of in the first place)

I think the studio stuff sounds pretty good to me. Much more passable then a lot of other stuff I've come across.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 19, 2015, 04:16:55 PM
The more I listen and absorb Misplaced Childhood and CaS (I haven't gotten into Script or Fugazi yet) the more I am saddened by the split.

Watching Hogarth try and do some of the Fish era songs live (at least on Youtube) make me sad, I don't think he holds a candle. And nearly none of the H era stuff grabs me like the Fish era has.  But I think even to the bands own admittance they're more pop now than ever.

Then again we might not have had Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors, Sunsets on Empire or Feast .... if they hadn't split.


Listening now to Seasons End.. trying to get a feel for it and H's vocals are so different it's hard to even think of them as Marillion.

I try not to think of Hogarth doing any Fish songs myself. But then I also try and forget Marillion recorded Brave and Afraid of Sunlight too.

Fish didn't succeed for his vocal talents, that's for sure, but the guy never stops coming at you and all you hold dear.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 19, 2015, 07:13:49 PM
The more I listen and absorb Misplaced Childhood and CaS (I haven't gotten into Script or Fugazi yet) the more I am saddened by the split.

Watching Hogarth try and do some of the Fish era songs live (at least on Youtube) make me sad, I don't think he holds a candle. And nearly none of the H era stuff grabs me like the Fish era has.  But I think even to the bands own admittance they're more pop now than ever.

Then again we might not have had Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors, Sunsets on Empire or Feast .... if they hadn't split.


Listening now to Seasons End.. trying to get a feel for it and H's vocals are so different it's hard to even think of them as Marillion.

I try not to think of Hogarth doing any Fish songs myself. But then I also try and forget Marillion recorded Brave and Afraid of Sunlight too.

Fish didn't succeed for his vocal talents, that's for sure, but the guy never stops coming at you and all you hold dear.

He does have a way with words but I also think his vocals aren't bad at all.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on May 19, 2015, 07:36:58 PM
Honestly I've always enjoyed H much more than Fish.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 20, 2015, 07:01:46 AM
Honestly I've always enjoyed H much more than Fish.

Listening to Fish era vs H era.. it feels like the music got less complex on top of the different vocals.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on May 20, 2015, 08:22:10 AM
Honestly I've always enjoyed H much more than Fish.

This. I'm not a fan of the Fish era but H blows me away. Love his lyrics. They are always great to hear and interpret.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on May 20, 2015, 01:23:55 PM
I like both singers - my top 2 albums are CAS and Seasons End. I'm glad the band parted ways with Fish, because as cool as another album with him would've been, obviously the chemistry wasn't there anymore. Luckily we have both Marillion and Fish's solo career to follow.

However, H has definitely taken better care of his voice. Fish himself has admitted he strained his voice too much in the Marillion days: https://fishheadsclub.com/?wpmlmethod=newsletter&id=51
Quote
My voice was holding together well as we'd set the keys up in the writing where it wouldn't be straining. In the old days I'd rattle it out full pelt into the wee hours accompanied by wine and other "additives" that weren't exactly conducive to vocal stamina. Occasionally tapes would be slowed down for those really awkward high notes if continually running and jumping against the wall didn't get the desired result. I didn't know enough about music or think of asking the band to move keys in writing stages back then. They played. I sang with them. It would create problems later on as the years went by and I just physically could not sing like the 20 odd year old did on the albums.At 55 I take a different outlook and plan accordingly. My voice has changed over the years as I've got older and the wear and tear took it's toll. I've settled into a vocal area where my voice has lost some of it's range but benefited from the richness and tone working in lower keys that suit my voice. it's a lot more natural than that false falsetto I used to use that was untrained and forced resulting in long term issues that I had to deal with later on. The vocals on this album are spot on and I learned a lot on the Fishheads Club acoustic tour.
I've also read he used to be a smoker, which most likely didn't help, either.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 20, 2015, 01:30:33 PM
I like both singers - my top 2 albums are CAS and Seasons End. I'm glad the band parted ways with Fish, because as cool as another album with him would've been, obviously the chemistry wasn't there anymore. Luckily we have both Marillion and Fish's solo career to follow.

CaS is their best body of work. I think the chemisty was just getting right.  Obviously the stories that have been told of why the split happened proved off-stage chemistry lead to their demise (as well as financial quibbling)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on May 20, 2015, 03:48:14 PM
I have come to feel it would have been best for them to change their name after Fish left, but it was kind of past the point of no return. But just in terms of sound, it would have made a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 05, 2015, 06:48:05 PM
I have come to feel it would have been best for them to change their name after Fish left, but it was kind of past the point of no return. But just in terms of sound, it would have made a lot of sense.

I thought they were essentially the same until Brave although they started messing with the logo for Holidays In Eden.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 07, 2015, 10:39:37 AM
I like both singers - my top 2 albums are CAS and Seasons End. I'm glad the band parted ways with Fish, because as cool as another album with him would've been, obviously the chemistry wasn't there anymore. Luckily we have both Marillion and Fish's solo career to follow.

CaS is their best body of work. I think the chemisty was just getting right.  Obviously the stories that have been told of why the split happened proved off-stage chemistry lead to their demise (as well as financial quibbling)

Agreed, I feel it's there most complete work with either singer. Maybe it's a case of the chemistry only hitting on all cylinders in a state of complete rage, kind of like that chick who only is a firecracker in the sack when she's hella pissed at ya, and that day when you're pissed at her too and you both pour all that anger into the lovin'.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 11, 2015, 03:19:08 PM
Is this a trip or what?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIHnXHGafpg



My wife played this for me the other day (without looking at it) and I thought it was a lost live recording.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 11, 2015, 10:27:56 PM
That's frikkin spooky man...now if they could just get him to do Grendel...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on June 17, 2015, 11:25:33 AM
Misplaced Childhood is 30 years old today! You can read my thoughts here (https://echotester.blogspot.fi/2015/06/classic-album-anniversary-marillion.html).

Also, I happened to check the official store today and I'm glad I did, because Racket Records is having a summer sale: https://marillion.com/shop/offers.php I think I'll grab a few of the Weekend DVDs...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 20, 2015, 04:37:58 PM
Misplaced Childhood is 30 years old today! You can read my thoughts here (https://echotester.blogspot.fi/2015/06/classic-album-anniversary-marillion.html).

Also, I happened to check the official store today and I'm glad I did, because Racket Records is having a summer sale: https://marillion.com/shop/offers.php I think I'll grab a few of the Weekend DVDs...

Damn!  How freaky.

I completely forgot about that but a friend of ours wanted to hear the studio album again that night (I'd have opted for live) so we played it. That is too scary.

My wife just told me she realized it, but said she decided to smile quietly and keep it to herself.

Feeling a bit ignorant now.

 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 01, 2015, 12:52:18 PM
new album preorder up:

https://marillion.pmstores.co/#exclusives

per Pledgemusic
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on September 01, 2015, 01:11:01 PM
That video... :lol

As a relatively new fan I've never participated in their pre-order campaigns before, but I think I'll get myself the special edition. 51€ isn't a bad price for a box set, especially when it includes shipping.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 14, 2015, 07:36:51 PM
new album preorder up:

https://marillion.pmstores.co/#exclusives

per Pledgemusic

Hard to believe they are outsourcing this given that they are one of the ones who wrote the book on it.

I want the campaign edition, but I don't want my name in it.  I was able buy them without my name in them previously. May just get the regular edition now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on September 14, 2015, 07:53:35 PM
Can you leave the space blank when they ask your name?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 14, 2015, 08:21:23 PM
Can you leave the space blank when they ask your name?

Good question. I'll look into that.

I suppose I can even leave a fake name.

Problem solved. Thanks!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on September 15, 2015, 02:14:31 PM
That video... :lol

As a relatively new fan I've never participated in their pre-order campaigns before, but I think I'll get myself the special edition. 51€ isn't a bad price for a box set, especially when it includes shipping.
So the "Essence of Marillion" is Fish, right?

 :corn
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on September 15, 2015, 03:59:25 PM
Can you leave the space blank when they ask your name?

Good question. I'll look into that.

I suppose I can even leave a fake name.

Problem solved. Thanks!

Use your pron name.  Or your hotel name. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 27, 2015, 07:43:11 PM
Can you leave the space blank when they ask your name?

Good question. I'll look into that.

I suppose I can even leave a fake name.

Problem solved. Thanks!

Use your pron name.  Or your hotel name.

I'll use my Ashley Madison name!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Deathless on November 05, 2015, 06:48:17 AM
So I've heard bits and pieces of this band before, but I listened through Clutching at Straws in it's entirety last night and I'm hooked. Should I just start at the beginning of the discography and work all the way through? I've read up on Fish/Hogarth, etc, so I know the vocals will change etc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on November 05, 2015, 07:29:07 AM
So I've heard bits and pieces of this band before, but I listened through Clutching at Straws in it's entirety last night and I'm hooked. Should I just start at the beginning of the discography and work all the way through? I've read up on Fish/Hogarth, etc, so I know the vocals will change etc.

My opinion?  As someone who got into the band with Misplaced Childhood and has been a fan since? 

Go in this order:
Clutching At Straws
Misplaced Childhood
Script For a Jester's Tear (and the b-sides)
Fugazi
Real to Reel (LIVE)
Thieving Magpie or Live at Lorelei (LIVE)

Then hit the Hogarth, in chronological order.  Not so much with the Fish years, since it was only about six years or so (from album 1 to album 4) but you should experience the progression from Season's End, which is just a Fish-era album with Hogarth's vocals, to something like Marbles or Happiness...  which is nothing like the first four in any way.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on November 05, 2015, 11:36:43 AM
Not sure if Fish has his own thread.. couldn't find it.

https://shop.fishheads.club/product/sunsets-on-empire-re-mastered-box-set/

https://shop.fishheads.club/product/raingods-with-zippos-remastered-box-set/

Here's two of his albums remastered he's got up for order.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on November 06, 2015, 05:51:10 AM
Marillion are my band of the year. Having started the year with just Marbles, over the course of 2015 I have purchased five of their albums: Brave, Sounds That Can't Be Made, Anoraknophobia, Holidays in Eden and Seasons End. I've completely fallen in love with Dry Land (off HiE). Just an incredibly beautiful, spacious song. Brave is a very moving album too, especially The Great Escape.

And they get my 2,500th forum post.  :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on November 06, 2015, 07:14:01 AM
Marillion are my band of the year. Having started the year with just Marbles, over the course of 2015 I have purchased five of their albums: Brave, Sounds That Can't Be Made, Anoraknophobia, Holidays in Eden and Seasons End. I've completely fallen in love with Dry Land (off HiE). Just an incredibly beautiful, spacious song. Brave is a very moving album too, especially The Great Escape.

And they get my 2,500th forum post.  :tup

Interesting.  HUGE Marillion fan (both incarnations) and though I missed them opening for Rush on the infamous MC tour (they played 20 minutes from me while I was in college and I opted to skip it) I've seen Marillion with Hogarth twice and Fish three times.

Curious what you think of the six albums you have:  they have, what, 15 albums now, and if you asked me to name FIVE you have to have, you only have two on that list (Marbles and Brave).   HiE was decidedly lackluster after Seasons End, which is a stellar album (King of Sunset Town live was mesmerizing, and sold me hook line and sinker on Hogarth).  For me, "After Me" is everything you describe Dry Land as, and for me, Dry Land is just a rewrite of After Me.  Anoraknophobia was good not great, but at the time it smelled faintly of desperation, what with the single coming "two for one" with a letter to be sent to radio stations, and statements to critics about how it's "not prog", and name-dropping Massive Attack every 46 seconds.   At the time I was on a Marillion hiatus (they completely and utterly lost me with This Strange Engine, to this day a competitor for least favorite Marillion album along with Somewhere Else).   After taking a flier on Marbles (which I love love love) I went back and got Radiation (LOVE IT, both versions), marillion.com (LOVE IT), and Anoraknophobia (like it) and subsequently fell in love with Afraid of Sunlight (LOVE IT).

Two thoughts for those digging in:  once you make it through the albums proper, you MUST seek out the EMI b-sides compilations.   They are cheap ($10, $15 in the US) and three (Fish era)/four (Hogarth) era sets with all the b-sides.  The b-sides from Season's End are all album quality (and often get played live) and some of the Brave material (edits, mostly) is really interesting. 

2.  You might find that the Hogarth material that Dave Meegan is involved with is I'll say different (though I mean "better", because I like it a lot more) than the rest of the material with Hogarth.  Just an observation.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on November 06, 2015, 08:23:08 AM
After Me hasn't grabbed me yet. It's all about the chord progressions. The chorus of Dry Land has chords that just get me.

My least favourite of the six albums I have is probably Sounds That Can't Be Made. Not that I don't like the songs; not at all. I just find it's an exhausting listen, and the 10-minute The Sky Above the Rain feels like a trudge having already had 17- (Gaza) and 14-minute (Montreal) songs to get through. My concentration levels have usually been sapped by the time I get to TSATR, and that, sadly, means I don't feel like giving it a spin all that often.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 06, 2015, 12:51:35 PM
"Unconventional" trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ser4wdLuhyw
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on November 06, 2015, 01:31:24 PM
Welp, I found the 2-disc version of Holidays In Eden, so that's on the way, meaning I'll have every studio album except whatever this new one is.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on December 08, 2015, 01:03:21 PM
2016 NA Tour Dates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fMpMQWHOy4

Oct 21 San Francisco, CA
Oct 22 Beverly Hills, CA
Oct 25 Denver, CO
Oct 27 Chicago, IL
Oct 28 Chicago, IL
Oct 29 Northfield, OH
Oct 31 Toronto, ON
Nov 1 Montreal, QC
Nov 2 Quebec
Nov 4 Boston, MA
Nov 5 Washington, DC
Nov 6 Glenside, PA
Nov 8 New York, New York
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on December 08, 2015, 01:08:26 PM
2016 NA Tour Dates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fMpMQWHOy4

Oct 21 San Francisco, CA
Oct 22 Beverly Hills, CA
Oct 25 Denver, CO
Oct 27 Chicago, IL
Oct 28 Chicago, IL
Oct 29 Northfield, OH
Oct 31 Toronto, ON
Nov 1 Montreal, QC
Nov 2 Quebec
Nov 4 Boston, MA
Nov 5 Washington, DC
Nov 6 Glenside, PA
Nov 8 New York, New York

They're playing within a 3 hour distance from me, which is probably the closest they've ever played since I became a fan, or at least, have cared to know. I may have to save up and go to this one if tickets aren't too expensive. Surprising they have so many tour dates for a NA tour. Looks like their hard work has paid off, and the fans' hard work as well. Big rounds of applause for the band and their fans for making a 13-date NA Tour possible!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on December 08, 2015, 01:29:15 PM
Love the theater in Glenside. And they were amazing on the cruise, even though I don't follow the H era much. If tickets are reasonable I'll likely be there.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Deathless on December 08, 2015, 02:12:07 PM
Damn, nothing in the southeast. I might try and head up to DC or maybe Ohio... I need to see them live!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on December 19, 2015, 11:22:50 AM
this is worth a laugh or 2, for those who've never seen it.

https://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Marillion
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 02, 2016, 10:44:43 AM
Love the theater in Glenside. And they were amazing on the cruise, even though I don't follow the H era much. If tickets are reasonable I'll likely be there.

We'll be at the Keswick. I doubt it will sell out so we'll get tickets closer to the show. New York is tempting since it's on election night and the last gig of the tour.

A friend of ours is trying to convince us to go to DC instead since it's on the weekend, but that's not going to happen.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 04, 2016, 07:08:07 AM
I'm going to head down there as well (from Connecticut).  I used to live in Philly, so it's a chance to get back for a day or two.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on January 04, 2016, 07:12:50 AM
Has anybody watched the new documentary they just released?

I'm thinking of going to the Denver show. Never seen Marillion live but I simply love the Hogarth era so I can't miss this one.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on January 04, 2016, 10:24:00 AM
I bought Clutching at Straws today, my first Fish-era Marillion album (7th overall).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Deathless on January 04, 2016, 10:53:11 AM
I bought Clutching at Straws today, my first Fish-era Marillion album (7th overall).

It's a fantastic album. I really liked the direction they were heading (and they obviously developed more with H's first few albums as well).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 04, 2016, 12:09:02 PM
I bought Clutching at Straws today, my first Fish-era Marillion album (7th overall).

It's a fantastic album. I really liked the direction they were heading (and they obviously developed more with H's first few albums as well).

My favorite Marillion album, and in my top ten favorites of all time.  LOVE that album. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on January 04, 2016, 12:22:19 PM
I bought Clutching at Straws today, my first Fish-era Marillion album (7th overall).

No 1 album on my top 50. Probably one of the best life decisions you've ever made. :p
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: devieira73 on January 07, 2016, 09:27:31 AM
News about the new album, from Marillion's eWeb Newsletter:

"Better late than never - Happy New Year to everyone.
So it's 2016! A big year in the offing for us.
We're now back in the studio developing the song ideas for M18 (which is still available to pre order at www.pledgemusic.com/marillion). We begin the new year in good shape, listening to the 6 current contenders currently working-titled:

The Leavers 14m 26sec
El Dorado 12m 18sec
Class 4m 58sec
Things Buried 3m 53sec
New Kings 16m 30 sec
Melt Our Guns 5m 20sec

If you can add, then you’ll see there’s already an hour of music on the boil. The time references are current song lengths but will lengthen or shorten depending upon creative decisions currently being taken. It’s also possible that songs will be subtracted and added to this list. Song titles may also change, so don’t write to us asking where things came from and went to!

We have another two or three strong ideas queuing up for development which we are on course to have ready for the “backing track final performance” stage which will take place at Peter Gabriel’s “Real World” studio in late February. It’s all coming together nicely now.

Tour dates are starting to take shape - head over to www.marillion.com/tour for details. We are adding dates for UK and Europe over the next few weeks so keep checking back.

In the Spring we will also be announcing the dates and venues for the Marillion Weekends for 2017, which will go on sale this Summer.

So our plan for this year seems to be - finish the new album (and give it a name!) and then go tour in as many countries as we can. We feel the tour for the new album will run well into 2017, then we are planning the Marillion Weekends, and then more touring. Phew!

Thanks to everyone who bought the new DVD 'Unconventional' - we have had some great reviews so far - watch this short video to see more https://vimeo.com/149435860. We are very pleased with the job "Toward Infinity” has done in producing this for us.

2016 is going to be a great year.
Thanks for being part of it.

h, Ian, Mark, Pete and Steve"

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on January 07, 2016, 11:52:19 AM
Wow! Three fairly lenghty songs! I like the look of that - I enjoy it when they take the time to really develop and expand upon a song idea, as I really enjoyed "Gaza" the last time around. Hopefully it's a solid hour+ worth of music whenever this thing comes out.

I noticed they didn't get an exact, or even a ballpark release date, but I'd assume it'd be no later than May since they seem to say "Spring 2016", so hopefully it'll be out by then, without delay! I still have to pre-order mine, though. So many good things coming out this year that I'll be SUPER poor in no time!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on January 07, 2016, 10:22:25 PM
I bought Clutching at Straws today, my first Fish-era Marillion album (7th overall).

It's a fantastic album. I really liked the direction they were heading (and they obviously developed more with H's first few albums as well).

My favorite Marillion album, and in my top ten favorites of all time.  LOVE that album.

Great album. Sugar Mice is one of my favorite Marillion songs.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on January 08, 2016, 08:52:33 AM
I was a huge Marillion fan back in the day... bought everything they released and that I could find. Singles, maxi singles etc... then Fish left.

The first album with Hogarth was quite alright and I loved the lyrics of Univited guest as that was how I and many more saw Hogarth.

Then for every release they lost me more and more. I have tried to get into the later SH era Marillion albums... I just can't. They seem so bland and uninspired to me.

A lot of Fish solo albums have been great though...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Deathless on January 08, 2016, 10:51:24 AM
I was a huge Marillion fan back in the day... bought everything they released and that I could find. Singles, maxi singles etc... then Fish left.

The first album with Hogarth was quite alright and I loved the lyrics of Univited guest as that was how I and many more saw Hogarth.

Then for every release they lost me more and more. I have tried to get into the later SH era Marillion albums... I just can't. They seem so bland and uninspired to me.

A lot of Fish solo albums have been great though...

I'm with you on this. I really enjoyed their first two/three releases with Hogarth, but I'm having problems getting into their later 90's/early 2000's output.

I absolutely love Fish's first two solo albums as well. They are in heavy rotation right now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 12:13:43 PM
I hear this a lot from Marillion fans. I guess since I got into them through Hogarth first, I lean more towards his material. Don't get me wrong. I love the stuff they did with Fish, but there's something about Hogarth's voice that draws me in even more.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 08, 2016, 12:16:44 PM
I was a huge Marillion fan back in the day... bought everything they released and that I could find. Singles, maxi singles etc... then Fish left.

The first album with Hogarth was quite alright and I loved the lyrics of Univited guest as that was how I and many more saw Hogarth.

Then for every release they lost me more and more. I have tried to get into the later SH era Marillion albums... I just can't. They seem so bland and uninspired to me.

A lot of Fish solo albums have been great though...

I'm with you on this. I really enjoyed their first two/three releases with Hogarth, but I'm having problems getting into their later 90's/early 2000's output.

I absolutely love Fish's first two solo albums as well. They are in heavy rotation right now.

Well, we can debate whether this is a good thing or not, but BOTH camps have been patchy.   For every great record (Vigil, Brave) there's a not so great one (Raingod's, This Strange Engine).   I had given up on Marillion, too, at the time of TSE, because I hated that and I didn't really care for Afraid of Sunlight, and didn't buy another record by them until I was browbeaten into buying Marbles, which is amazing (I defy anyone to not put Neverland in their top 10 Marillion song list).  I then went back to radiation, .com, and Anoraknophobia (which are all better than TSE), and around that time AoS clicked and now it is one of my favorites too.   I'm not a huge fan of Somewhere Else or the "Less Is More" set, and while I expect it to click at some point, Happiness... and Sounds... haven't clicked yet.

Fish is a different animal.  He's trying, but there are so many "cunning plans" over the years, that his solo work is spotty at best.   Sunsets is strong, as is Field of Crows, but I think he overreaches at times with his "concepts".   The whole "So Fellini!" thing was weak, in my opinion.    Having said that, there are about four or five lyrics that I would LOVE to sit down and ask him about.     
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 12:36:43 PM

Well, we can debate whether this is a good thing or not, but BOTH camps have been patchy.   For every great record (Vigil, Brave) there's a not so great one (Raingod's, This Strange Engine).   I had given up on Marillion, too, at the time of TSE, because I hated that and I didn't really care for Afraid of Sunlight, and didn't buy another record by them until I was browbeaten into buying Marbles, which is amazing (I defy anyone to not put Neverland in their top 10 Marillion song list).  I then went back to radiation, .com, and Anoraknophobia (which are all better than TSE), and around that time AoS clicked and now it is one of my favorites too.   I'm not a huge fan of Somewhere Else or the "Less Is More" set, and while I expect it to click at some point, Happiness... and Sounds... haven't clicked yet.

Fish is a different animal.  He's trying, but there are so many "cunning plans" over the years, that his solo work is spotty at best.   Sunsets is strong, as is Field of Crows, but I think he overreaches at times with his "concepts".   The whole "So Fellini!" thing was weak, in my opinion.    Having said that, there are about four or five lyrics that I would LOVE to sit down and ask him about.   

I really enjoy Sounds. The Sky Above The Rain is such a beautiful song, and I probably am endeared to it more because it's a reflection of my life in recent times. I also love Somewhere Else and Less Is More. The Memory of Water is such a heartfelt song. It's one of the songs, I always skip to. Not dance...I mean skip other tracks for.   :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 08, 2016, 06:06:31 PM
I need to give Sounds more time.  In fact, I'm flying later, maybe I'll put that on.   

To me, "less is more" is not a good mantra for Marillion.  They're a prog band - or at least, I like the prog side of them best - and so they are better when it's the five guys PLAYING. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on January 10, 2016, 05:03:16 AM
I enjoy STCBM, but The Sky Above the Rain drags on a bit too long, especially considering we've had over an hour of music already by that point. The few times I've listened to the album, I find myself mentally exhausted by the time I get to that song. and there's not a lot of variation in it to keep me interested.

As for Clutching at Straws, the 2nd listen went even better than the first. Which is usually a good sign that I will grow to really like the album once I get used to it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on January 10, 2016, 05:17:31 AM
I need to give Sounds more time.  In fact, I'm flying later, maybe I'll put that on.   

To me, "less is more" is not a good mantra for Marillion.  They're a prog band - or at least, I like the prog side of them best - and so they are better when it's the five guys PLAYING.

I enjoyed Less is More for what it was, but agree it's always better with the band effort, not just a couple of guys. It's the same as any band for me really. I love when they throw something different at you, but prefer their usual fanfare.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 17, 2016, 04:15:55 PM
I was a huge Marillion fan back in the day... bought everything they released and that I could find. Singles, maxi singles etc... then Fish left.

The first album with Hogarth was quite alright and I loved the lyrics of Univited guest as that was how I and many more saw Hogarth.

Then for every release they lost me more and more. I have tried to get into the later SH era Marillion albums... I just can't. They seem so bland and uninspired to me.

A lot of Fish solo albums have been great though...

I'm with you on this. I really enjoyed their first two/three releases with Hogarth, but I'm having problems getting into their later 90's/early 2000's output.

I absolutely love Fish's first two solo albums as well. They are in heavy rotation right now.

Well, we can debate whether this is a good thing or not, but BOTH camps have been patchy.   For every great record (Vigil, Brave) there's a not so great one (Raingod's, This Strange Engine).   I had given up on Marillion, too, at the time of TSE, because I hated that and I didn't really care for Afraid of Sunlight, and didn't buy another record by them until I was browbeaten into buying Marbles, which is amazing (I defy anyone to not put Neverland in their top 10 Marillion song list).  I then went back to radiation, .com, and Anoraknophobia (which are all better than TSE), and around that time AoS clicked and now it is one of my favorites too.   I'm not a huge fan of Somewhere Else or the "Less Is More" set, and while I expect it to click at some point, Happiness... and Sounds... haven't clicked yet.

Fish is a different animal.  He's trying, but there are so many "cunning plans" over the years, that his solo work is spotty at best.   Sunsets is strong, as is Field of Crows, but I think he overreaches at times with his "concepts".   The whole "So Fellini!" thing was weak, in my opinion.    Having said that, there are about four or five lyrics that I would LOVE to sit down and ask him about.   

Totally disagree on the soft spots (Brave, most of Afraid of Sunlight, Less Is More) (Suits) but we've already gone over that.

I really don't have a problem with anything else. I don't think Hogarth ever sounded better sonically than on This Strange Engine.  I love his natural timbre on that one. If I hadn't like that one, I may have been done with the band by that point myself.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 19, 2016, 07:17:15 AM
Totally disagree on the soft spots (Brave, most of Afraid of Sunlight, Less Is More) (Suits) but we've already gone over that.

I really don't have a problem with anything else. I don't think Hogarth ever sounded better sonically than on This Strange Engine.  I love his natural timbre on that one. If I hadn't like that one, I may have been done with the band by that point myself.

Well, we're not all that far off.  I will go back and revisit TSE; I just always thought it bland and uninspired, but I can't say I've ever listened close enough to really appreciate Hogarth (who I think is excellent; I don't think new fans quite realize how easily Marillion could have tanked if H didn't work out.  Fish was a rock star - or at least thought he was - back then, and Marillion was an arena touring band. Not like today, where both struggle to play small clubs.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on January 19, 2016, 01:43:12 PM
I've listened to Brave many times in the year I've had it, and I can't help but feel like Made Again is tacked on to the end. There's a good 5 seconds between the end of The Great Escape and the start of Made Again, which makes it feel even more separate from the album. I know there's a "sad ending" version of TGE, but with that, you miss out on the most stunning part of that song, Fallin' From the Moon. An album that's 95% melancholy might as well go all the way on that front and be 100% melancholy. The Great Escape with the happy ending feels like a better ending to the album than Made Again.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Sir Walrus Cauliflower on January 21, 2016, 09:41:59 PM
Just heard of this band on here a couple days ago, and have yet to check them out. What would you guys say is the most accessible, and what would you consider their best album?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: CharlesPL on January 21, 2016, 10:44:17 PM
Fish Era - Misplaced Childhood, Clutching (my fav Marillion album)
H era - Seasons End, Brave, Afraid of Sunlight, Marbles

accesible - Holidays in Eden, This Strange Engine, Somewhere Else, Seasons End
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 22, 2016, 06:46:07 AM
Fish Era - Misplaced Childhood, Clutching (my fav Marillion album)
H era - Seasons End, Brave, Afraid of Sunlight, Marbles

accesible - Holidays in Eden, This Strange Engine, Somewhere Else, Seasons End

"Accessible" doesn't necessarily mean "indicative of the band".  Personally, I think Charles nailed it with "Misplaced", "Clutching", "Seasons", and "Brave", and I would go in that order. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on January 22, 2016, 10:30:15 AM
accesible - Holidays in Eden, This Strange Engine, Somewhere Else, Seasons End
Somewhere Else was the second or third Marillion album I heard, but I didn't find it accessible at all. It took me a long time to warm up to it and I still find it one of the weaker H albums. I agree with the rest of your list, though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 22, 2016, 03:13:35 PM
Agreed on Somewhere Else.

Also while I enjoy a lot of Holidays in Eden, the songs that seem like obvious attempts at radio singles may not appeal to a new listener.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 23, 2016, 12:00:21 PM
Totally disagree on the soft spots (Brave, most of Afraid of Sunlight, Less Is More) (Suits) but we've already gone over that.

I really don't have a problem with anything else. I don't think Hogarth ever sounded better sonically than on This Strange Engine.  I love his natural timbre on that one. If I hadn't like that one, I may have been done with the band by that point myself.

Well, we're not all that far off.  I will go back and revisit TSE; I just always thought it bland and uninspired, but I can't say I've ever listened close enough to really appreciate Hogarth (who I think is excellent; I don't think new fans quite realize how easily Marillion could have tanked if H didn't work out.  Fish was a rock star - or at least thought he was - back then, and Marillion was an arena touring band. Not like today, where both struggle to play small clubs.

Marillion were never an arena band in the US. (Unless you want to count the opening slot) They were still doing club dates here until Fish left. Europe and South America, obviously, were another story. Both were able to maintain that level (arenas and festivals) there for a few years after the split.  Brave and Songs From The Mirror killed any shot to save that and the declining touring economics put the nails in the coffin.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on January 24, 2016, 03:00:39 AM
Still think ´Fugazi´ is criminally underrated. Such great atmosphere on there.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 25, 2016, 07:26:33 AM
Totally disagree on the soft spots (Brave, most of Afraid of Sunlight, Less Is More) (Suits) but we've already gone over that.

I really don't have a problem with anything else. I don't think Hogarth ever sounded better sonically than on This Strange Engine.  I love his natural timbre on that one. If I hadn't like that one, I may have been done with the band by that point myself.

Well, we're not all that far off.  I will go back and revisit TSE; I just always thought it bland and uninspired, but I can't say I've ever listened close enough to really appreciate Hogarth (who I think is excellent; I don't think new fans quite realize how easily Marillion could have tanked if H didn't work out.  Fish was a rock star - or at least thought he was - back then, and Marillion was an arena touring band. Not like today, where both struggle to play small clubs.

Marillion were never an arena band in the US. (Unless you want to count the opening slot) They were still doing club dates here until Fish left. Europe and South America, obviously, were another story. Both were able to maintain that level (arenas and festivals) there for a few years after the split.  Brave and Songs From The Mirror killed any shot to save that and the declining touring economics put the nails in the coffin.

You are, of course, technically correct.  I was referring to the point that a) neither band could do a festival like Lorelei today, b) neither band would even get the arena OPENING slot today, both of which are consistent with what you said (and not that clear the way I said it even though that is what I meant).   I would argue, though, that their "runs" lasted that long.  I tend to think - but it is only my opinion, and I welcome your thoughts on this - that their second albums were the death knell.  After "Internal Exile", EMI dropped Fish acrimoniously, and "Holidays..." was the start of the decline; each album, starting then and ending (well, bottoming out) with Marbles, sold progressively less.  I know Marillion didn't get dropped until after "Afraid..." but I think "Holidays..." was really the turning point.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on January 25, 2016, 12:41:46 PM
I'm not really knowledgeable enough to chime in here, but I just want to add that Fish was one of the headliners of last year's Lorelei festival, and Steve Rothery played a pretty good slot with his solo band as well, so based on that, I'd think that Marillion could very well headline at least that particular festival.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 26, 2016, 09:15:18 AM
If it's the same festival - same size, etc. - as the show they recorded and released on CD/DVD back in the day ("Live From Lorelei"; you should get it!) then consider me stunned.   If I recall, that show then was the size of a US arena crown (20K +/-).   I could very well be wrong (and Scorpion, I am not calling you out with this), but I feel like there is NO WAY that Fish is playing 20K rooms in 2015. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Deathless on January 26, 2016, 02:11:50 PM
Fish was also playing his "Farewell to Misplaced Childhood" shows this year, which bumped up his booking at a number of festivals/concerts.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on January 27, 2016, 12:21:53 AM
AFAIK, Steve Rothery refuses to transpose songs, which would be necessary in order for Fish to be able to sing the old Marillion stuff, and that's why even a guest appearance for a song or two is very unlikely.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 28, 2016, 07:37:17 PM
Totally disagree on the soft spots (Brave, most of Afraid of Sunlight, Less Is More) (Suits) but we've already gone over that.

I really don't have a problem with anything else. I don't think Hogarth ever sounded better sonically than on This Strange Engine.  I love his natural timbre on that one. If I hadn't like that one, I may have been done with the band by that point myself.

Well, we're not all that far off.  I will go back and revisit TSE; I just always thought it bland and uninspired, but I can't say I've ever listened close enough to really appreciate Hogarth (who I think is excellent; I don't think new fans quite realize how easily Marillion could have tanked if H didn't work out.  Fish was a rock star - or at least thought he was - back then, and Marillion was an arena touring band. Not like today, where both struggle to play small clubs.

Marillion were never an arena band in the US. (Unless you want to count the opening slot) They were still doing club dates here until Fish left. Europe and South America, obviously, were another story. Both were able to maintain that level (arenas and festivals) there for a few years after the split.  Brave and Songs From The Mirror killed any shot to save that and the declining touring economics put the nails in the coffin.

You are, of course, technically correct.  I was referring to the point that a) neither band could do a festival like Lorelei today, b) neither band would even get the arena OPENING slot today, both of which are consistent with what you said (and not that clear the way I said it even though that is what I meant).   I would argue, though, that their "runs" lasted that long.  I tend to think - but it is only my opinion, and I welcome your thoughts on this - that their second albums were the death knell.  After "Internal Exile", EMI dropped Fish acrimoniously, and "Holidays..." was the start of the decline; each album, starting then and ending (well, bottoming out) with Marbles, sold progressively less.  I know Marillion didn't get dropped until after "Afraid..." but I think "Holidays..." was really the turning point.

Well, I like Holidays and thought it was fairly similar to Seasons End although a bit "lighter." I thought it was on par with that "wall of sound" quality that had been on previous albums which more or less disappeared with Brave. (Which I think pretty much killed the band's profile in the US. I'm not suggesting the change in style was completely responsible for this, the label (by this point EMI subsidiary IRS) really didn't know what to do with it (and there was no US tour. I can't remember now why because my interest had started to wane.)
A few Holidays tracks were getting airplay and there seemed to be a real push (the last one?) to break the band.

As far as Fish goes. His first solo album for EMI was also his last. (See Speaking In Tongues from Internal Exile) Internal Exile was released on Polydor about two years after Vigil after Fish engaged in a battle to get out of his EMI record deal. I happen to love that album too, but some thought the material was too "Scottish" which limited its accessibility (The US album came out with a more generic album cover) Fish was still a pretty big deal overseas as was Marillion.

Both are festival regulars although they are not consistently headliners anymore (To my somewhat limited knowledge at this point.). Save for a handful of diehards in the US both are essentially off the musical radar here.

Fish followed up Internal Exile with the Songs From The Mirror covers album which I don't even think saw a US release. Not the best career move at that point.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 29, 2016, 07:41:21 AM
Well, I like Holidays and thought it was fairly similar to Seasons End although a bit "lighter." I thought it was on par with that "wall of sound" quality that had been on previous albums which more or less disappeared with Brave. (Which I think pretty much killed the band's profile in the US. I'm not suggesting the change in style was completely responsible for this, the label (by this point EMI subsidiary IRS) really didn't know what to do with it (and there was no US tour. I can't remember now why because my interest had started to wane.)
A few Holidays tracks were getting airplay and there seemed to be a real push (the last one?) to break the band.

As far as Fish goes. His first solo album for EMI was also his last. (See Speaking In Tongues from Internal Exile) Internal Exile was released on Polydor about two years after Vigil after Fish engaged in a battle to get out of his EMI record deal. I happen to love that album too, but some thought the material was too "Scottish" which limited its accessibility (The US album came out with a more generic album cover) Fish was still a pretty big deal overseas as was Marillion.

Both are festival regulars although they are not consistently headliners anymore (To my somewhat limited knowledge at this point.). Save for a handful of diehards in the US both are essentially off the musical radar here.

Fish followed up Internal Exile with the Songs From The Mirror covers album which I don't even think saw a US release. Not the best career move at that point.

All this is consistent with my understanding as well.  The only thing I would add (and not argument, but just comment) is that my perspective of Holidays... and Brave are exactly the opposite.

I LOVED Season's End (and it is still a top 3 H-era album).  Saw the tour, and to this day I lose it over "King of Sunset Town", "After Me", and "The Space".   Holidays was a SUPREME let down for me.  MASSIVE.  I like "Waiting To Happen", and the ending mini-suite, but there is a lot on that record that still, to this day, does not resonate ("No One Can" is just.. .unlistenable to me).  I thought they LOST the "wall of sound" here, and then gained it back with Brave. I love what Dave Meegan does for this band, and would be eager to see them work together again, and the best word I can use for that album is "dense".   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: sfam2112 on January 29, 2016, 11:13:54 PM
AFAIK, Steve Rothery refuses to transpose songs, which would be necessary in order for Fish to be able to sing the old Marillion stuff, and that's why even a guest appearance for a song or two is very unlikely.

When Fish sang "Market Square Heroes" with them in 2007(?), it was transposed down a half-step and during the 2013 Weekend, "The Space" was down a full-step for h. :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 30, 2016, 04:03:14 PM
Well, I like Holidays and thought it was fairly similar to Seasons End although a bit "lighter." I thought it was on par with that "wall of sound" quality that had been on previous albums which more or less disappeared with Brave. (Which I think pretty much killed the band's profile in the US. I'm not suggesting the change in style was completely responsible for this, the label (by this point EMI subsidiary IRS) really didn't know what to do with it (and there was no US tour. I can't remember now why because my interest had started to wane.)
A few Holidays tracks were getting airplay and there seemed to be a real push (the last one?) to break the band.

As far as Fish goes. His first solo album for EMI was also his last. (See Speaking In Tongues from Internal Exile) Internal Exile was released on Polydor about two years after Vigil after Fish engaged in a battle to get out of his EMI record deal. I happen to love that album too, but some thought the material was too "Scottish" which limited its accessibility (The US album came out with a more generic album cover) Fish was still a pretty big deal overseas as was Marillion.

Both are festival regulars although they are not consistently headliners anymore (To my somewhat limited knowledge at this point.). Save for a handful of diehards in the US both are essentially off the musical radar here.

Fish followed up Internal Exile with the Songs From The Mirror covers album which I don't even think saw a US release. Not the best career move at that point.

All this is consistent with my understanding as well.  The only thing I would add (and not argument, but just comment) is that my perspective of Holidays... and Brave are exactly the opposite.

I LOVED Season's End (and it is still a top 3 H-era album).  Saw the tour, and to this day I lose it over "King of Sunset Town", "After Me", and "The Space".   Holidays was a SUPREME let down for me.  MASSIVE.  I like "Waiting To Happen", and the ending mini-suite, but there is a lot on that record that still, to this day, does not resonate ("No One Can" is just.. .unlistenable to me).  I thought they LOST the "wall of sound" here, and then gained it back with Brave. I love what Dave Meegan does for this band, and would be eager to see them work together again, and the best word I can use for that album is "dense".   

No One Can is just amazing.

Maybe Dry Land is my least favorite on that album. Whenever I hear the beginning, I'm thinking bad Journey song.

Another thing I didn't like about Holidays (and I guess I'm being picky about it) is that they changed the band logo. Now obviously they were no longer THAT band but would have thought they could have come up with something better than that. (and they did later with the understated "ee cummings thing."
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on March 03, 2016, 12:39:21 PM
Next Marillion album into my collection is Fugazi. Punch & Judy has recently become one of those songs where one listen simply isn't enough. Then I heard the title track, fell in love with that and decided to take the plunge and get the album.

And it may be followed swiftly by Afraid of Sunlight.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on March 04, 2016, 05:09:05 AM
I love Fugazi, it always gets overlooked. The album was finished under a lot of time-pressure from the record company while they were on tour. Every song on it has its own flavour, Assassing, Incubus, Punch and Judy are all good, Jigsaw is a nice ballad. Emerald Lies is a standuit track for me, so emotional. She Chameleon is such a great brooding track and the titeltrack tops it all off with a flourish.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on March 04, 2016, 05:13:10 AM
the title track to Fugazi does stand out.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 04, 2016, 08:14:02 AM
^^^ One of those songs (Forgotten Sons is another) that takes on a whole new, different life live, as well.  Not sure there is a poor live version out there. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on March 05, 2016, 08:18:56 AM
Assassing and Jigsaw are two of my favorite Marillion songs, and I also really like Incubus, but the rest of Fugazi hasn't really clicked with me. To be honest I'm not a huge fan of Script either, as I feel Marillion's creativity didn't start blooming in full force until Misplaced Childhood.
AFAIK, Steve Rothery refuses to transpose songs, which would be necessary in order for Fish to be able to sing the old Marillion stuff, and that's why even a guest appearance for a song or two is very unlikely.

When Fish sang "Market Square Heroes" with them in 2007(?), it was transposed down a half-step and during the 2013 Weekend, "The Space" was down a full-step for h. :)
True, but Rothery didn't have to change his fingering in either of those cases: MSH was tuned down half a step, while The Space was played without a capo. I think his main gripe would be having to learn new chord shapes, arpeggios, etc. (or doing some serious downtuning) and consequently changing the feel of the songs. After all, in this clip from last year (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_7zeB6DDPU) MSH has been transposed down 5 semitones, so Fish's range isn't what it used to be even 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 06, 2016, 10:29:53 AM
I love Fugazi, it always gets overlooked. The album was finished under a lot of time-pressure from the record company while they were on tour. Every song on it has its own flavour, Assassing, Incubus, Punch and Judy are all good, Jigsaw is a nice ballad. Emerald Lies is a standuit track for me, so emotional. She Chameleon is such a great brooding track and the titeltrack tops it all off with a flourish.

I love Fugazi, but it's always been overshadowed by Misplaced Childhood and Clutching at Straws for me. That tour was also the last time the bulk of the pre-Misplaced Childhood songs got played. So it's a good tour to enjoy for historical reasons. It didn't hurt that they were at the top of their game, but Marillion was always like that back then (They still are in a lot of ways, but it's a much different vibe now.)

 Back when Fish wasn't doing the nostalgia thing, Incubus was one of the few Marillion songs that made the cut in his solo set. I love Jigsaw, especially live when the crowd gets into it. Very moving. The guy really knew how to perform. I don't think Jigsaw got played as much as some other that album, but it seemed to get a great response when it did.

I love Fugazi too. Definitely a live standout. Fish included it in his 1998 medley when I saw him and it was pretty amazing (even without Rothery.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on March 09, 2016, 03:26:35 AM
And it may be followed swiftly by Afraid of Sunlight.

It has been followed swiftly by Afraid of Sunlight. Arrived this morning. Knocked out and re-mastered to bits.

UPDATE: Just finished listening for the first time. Wowee! Stunning album! I love how, with the theme of excess appearing in many of the songs, it feels like a concept album, even if it wasn't fully intended to be (reading the liner notes). Favourite songs are Cannibal Surf Babe, Beautiful, Out Of This World and the epic closer King.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 07, 2016, 06:06:43 AM
https://www.facebook.com/MarillionOfficial/photos/a.325573389340.149843.8367514340/10154352273899341/?type=3&theater

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"Our new album will be released on September 9th 2016. Final date for pre-orders is 17th June. Thanks to everyone who has pre-ordered so far. We are very excited about this album and can't wait to share it with you."
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Enigmachine on April 07, 2016, 06:16:15 AM
That album name is so un-Marillion.  :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: CharlesPL on April 07, 2016, 09:05:38 AM
Shi.. Can't wait, My top 5 favorite Band.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Deathless on April 07, 2016, 11:30:12 AM
Lol, definitely does not sound like a Marillion title. Still excited to hear it and catch them on tour!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on April 07, 2016, 05:12:43 PM
It's such a non-Marillion album title that I can only love it and chuckle at the people complaining about it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 07, 2016, 05:43:33 PM
That's one bitchin ass title. This should be interesting.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on April 09, 2016, 08:25:43 AM
That's one bitchin ass title. This should be interesting.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: devieira73 on April 28, 2016, 06:55:49 AM
From Marillon's mail list:

Details on F E A R Special Edition & Ultimate Box Sets:

We are rapidly approaching the deadline of the 17th June for Pre-Ordering/ Upgrading or just generally changing your mind on which version of F E A R you want to receive on Sept 9th. So we thought we would take a minute to go through exactly what you can expect to receive in both the Special Edition and Ultimate box sets.

Firstly, it’s important to note that the approach for this album from the beginning has been to include artwork and film making throughout the whole of the writing and recording process. Usually the plan would be to finish the music, or at least get beyond the jamming stage, before thinking about visuals to accompany the music. This time the two have evolved hand in hand. Hopefully the end result will be something really special; an eclectic mix of visuals that complement and enhance the musical experience.

Each track will have its own artwork and identity. Each will also have its own mini film put together using a wide range of mediums from physical artwork, live action, right through to 3D CGI and motion capture techniques. It's all exciting stuff and we are hoping to bring you something truly unique. These films will eventually be used around the world when the new songs are played live.

Both editions will contain an 180 page art book with extensive images, photography taken during the making of the album, album lyrics and the names of those who pre-ordered that particular format.

The special edition will be printed in the same size book as the special edition version of Sounds That Can't be Made and will be housed in a rigid slipcase.

The Ultimate box set includes a large format 12”/30cm size hardback art book, so you can enjoy the artwork and lyrics in a full Vinyl sized format. As there are fewer names contained in this format there will be room for several extra images, exclusive to this larger book.
This Ultimate edition will also include a separate Lyric and Chord booklet with printed 'handwritten Cheat Sheets' for each song. This version will also include a separate CD with demos of all of the album tracks.
The uniqueness of this version is that you will be able to enjoy the music and all of the new films in High Definition with 96k DTS-HD audio in stereo or 5.1 on the Blu-ray disc that is included with this format.

Please be aware that for both of these versions, we will ONLY manufacture these based on orders received BEFORE 17th June. After that date there will be no more of these made, once they are gone they are gone!

See below for a complete list of what you will get in each of these formats.
 


Special Edition:
Approx 15cm x 16cm 180 page Hardback Art & Lyrics Book with rigid outer F E A R slipcase.
CD of complete album

DVD containing:
A 'Making of' film approx 45mins+ duration
5.1 mixes (48k DTS) of all album tracks with accompanying still images.
Instrumental versions of each album track.
(Album CD & DVD will all be housed in the Art Booklet.)
A free MP3 download available upon release.

Ultimate Edition Box Set:
Approx 30cm x 30cm 180 page Hardback Art & Lyrics Book.
CD of complete album
Double Vinyl edition of complete album (180g Heavy weight vinyl)

Blu-ray containing:
A 'Making of' film approx 45mins+ duration
HighRes 5.1 & Stereo mixes (96k DTS-HD) of all album tracks with accompanying Films.
Instrumental versions of each album track.
(Album CD, Blu-ray & Vinyl will all be housed in the Main Art Book)

A separate Lyric & Chord Booklet
A separate CD of Demos of all album tracks
4x exclusive F E A R decorative plectrums.
A Campaign edition T-Shirt.
A free MP3 download available upon release.

All of the above items in the Ultimate Edition box set will be presented in a Deluxe F E A R box.


Please Note: You can only make changes to your order, via your PledgeMusic account, BEFORE the payment has been processed. If your payment has already been processed and you wish to change or upgrade your order it's easy to do. Sign in to your account at www.pledgemusic.com/pledges and use the links provided to contact the PledgeMusic team who will be happy to make any changes for you.

The Racket Records Team
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: twosuitsluke on June 03, 2016, 08:28:26 AM
First time, ever, listening to this band today. Half way through listening to Misplaced Childhood and got to say it's a VERY impressive first listen. Sure to be giving this plenty more listens  :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on June 03, 2016, 02:41:21 PM
First time, ever, listening to this band today. Half way through listening to Misplaced Childhood and got to say it's a VERY impressive first listen. Sure to be giving this plenty more listens  :tup

Welcome aboard. May I suggest also developing appreciation for Hogarth era as soon as possible (in addition to Fish). We don't want someone who just appreciates 4 years of this great band over the 25+ years that followed.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on June 03, 2016, 02:48:03 PM
First time, ever, listening to this band today. Half way through listening to Misplaced Childhood and got to say it's a VERY impressive first listen. Sure to be giving this plenty more listens  :tup

Welcome aboard. May I suggest also developing appreciation for Hogarth era as soon as possible (in addition to Fish). We don't want someone who just appreciates 4 years of this great band over the 25+ years that followed.

Well to me the Fish era is vastly superiour to the Hogarth era. Let's see how he appreciates the more laid back and minimalistic (to me mostly boring) Hogarth era  :P
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on June 03, 2016, 03:21:51 PM
I'd definitely recommend the following two albums:

- Clutching at Straws: the definining album of the Fish era for me, and one of the most emotional albums that I know.
- Marbles: best album of the Hogarth era by a mile, though you should definitely make sure to listen to the 2-disc version, because of the absolute beast of a track that is Ocean Cloud. The rest is superb too, especially Neverland.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: mike099 on June 03, 2016, 03:30:00 PM
My sample cd from the band came in today and will give it a listen.  Good idea to offer a free cd sampler for folks like myself that have just learned of the band.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on June 03, 2016, 03:41:00 PM
I'd definitely recommend the following two albums:

- Clutching at Straws: the definining album of the Fish era for me, and one of the most emotional albums that I know.
- Marbles: best album of the Hogarth era by a mile, though you should definitely make sure to listen to the 2-disc version, because of the absolute beast of a track that is Ocean Cloud. The rest is superb too, especially Neverland.

oooooh Ocean Cloud. Such a great song.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: KevShmev on June 03, 2016, 07:09:48 PM
This band is still the biggest failure for me ever.  I tried like hell to get into them, trying many songs from many albums, and they never really stuck. I like probably 10-15 songs of theirs (most of which are from Misplaced Childhood and Clutching at Straws), but even those are ones I just kinda like.

Also, the end of Goodbye to All That on Brave that leads into Hard as Love is the biggest tease ever. That last minute is really awesome, easily one of the two coolest things I have ever heard by them (along with the Easter guitar solo), and then it goes into the boring ass Hard as Love. They should have taken that minute and made a whole song out of it.  :facepalm: :censored
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 03, 2016, 09:44:55 PM
I find nothing boring about Hard as Love, considering every time the bridge comes in, I'm in tears.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on June 03, 2016, 10:43:37 PM
I find nothing boring about Hard as Love, considering every time the bridge comes in, I'm in tears.

I agree. It's a really good song. I especially love the background atmosphere the keys give it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on June 04, 2016, 03:01:04 AM
The entire Brave album is one of their greatest achievements. If you don't have goosebumps during The Great Escape, you're not human.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: KevShmev on June 04, 2016, 07:22:08 AM
I guess I am not human, then. :lol :lol

Brave was the one Marillion CD I bought back when I first tried to get into them, and it consistently bored the hell out of me.  And I gave it many chances.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on June 04, 2016, 07:42:12 AM
Of course he's human. He has the ability to reason and his reasoning is that Brave bores him.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 04, 2016, 03:09:52 PM
I'd definitely recommend the following two albums:

- Clutching at Straws: the definining album of the Fish era for me, and one of the most emotional albums that I know.
- Marbles: best album of the Hogarth era by a mile, though you should definitely make sure to listen to the 2-disc version, because of the absolute beast of a track that is Ocean Cloud. The rest is superb too, especially Neverland.

oooooh Ocean Cloud. Such a great song.

I dunno how anyone couldn't love that song. Gutted they left it off the Marbles vinyl.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on June 04, 2016, 03:45:31 PM
I'd definitely recommend the following two albums:

- Clutching at Straws: the definining album of the Fish era for me, and one of the most emotional albums that I know.
- Marbles: best album of the Hogarth era by a mile, though you should definitely make sure to listen to the 2-disc version, because of the absolute beast of a track that is Ocean Cloud. The rest is superb too, especially Neverland.

oooooh Ocean Cloud. Such a great song.

I dunno how anyone couldn't love that song. Gutted they left it off the Marbles vinyl.

Marbles is a pretty killer album, but I think Ocean Cloud could have replaced a couple of other songs on the regular release.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 05, 2016, 09:17:46 AM
Um, SACRILEGE ALERT, but don't build up "Ocean Cloud" too much.  It's a good song, but I can't say it is SOOOOO much better than the rest of Marbles.  "Neverland" is the standout track on that album by any standard.   

I honestly think that "Ocean Cloud" gets the love because it's a) long, and b) because the band built up the mystique by making it exclusive to the deluxe version (which is for the hard core fans primarily, and to my knowledge, not available except from the website). 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on June 05, 2016, 09:18:40 AM
It's not my favourite on the album (that honour belongs, like you said, to Neverland), but the album is definitely better with it on it, and it's a superb song all the same.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on June 05, 2016, 09:42:55 AM
Chiming in to disagree with Stadler.   Ocean Cloud...to me...is amazing.   It's not just because it's long.  It's the musical themes, the story, the melody of the chorus, the riff at the "storm" section....that song just absolutely kills it.   Not only my favorite from Marbles, but the best H-era song period.   In fact, I'd be hard pressed to even find a Fish-era song I like better. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on June 05, 2016, 10:05:40 AM
Um, SACRILEGE ALERT, but don't build up "Ocean Cloud" too much.  It's a good song, but I can't say it is SOOOOO much better than the rest of Marbles.  "Neverland" is the standout track on that album by any standard.   

I honestly think that "Ocean Cloud" gets the love because it's a) long, and b) because the band built up the mystique by making it exclusive to the deluxe version (which is for the hard core fans primarily, and to my knowledge, not available except from the website).

You're expressing opinions so I'm not sure where the sacrilege comes in. It's a great song and that's all I need to know about it. You don't have to build it up if you don't like it, but I'm not sure where you get off telling ME not to build it up. Should I base my listening needs on what you think is worthy?  ;) Maybe you didn't mean it to sound sanctimonious but it does come off as such.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 05, 2016, 06:12:51 PM
Ocean Cloud is awesome, it has nothing to do with it being exclusive. From memory, it was only left off per the band wanting to release Marbles in some territories as a single cd.

I love Neverland as well, but I've found my favorite piece from Marbles remains The Invisible Man.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 05, 2016, 08:18:27 PM
"Neverland" is good but focuses on the majestic without including the ethereality that makes OC so submersive. It sounds tired... it is the end of a double record, after all. Plus, the weird stuttering delay vocal bit in the middle is a lowlight.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 07, 2016, 09:44:24 AM
Um, SACRILEGE ALERT, but don't build up "Ocean Cloud" too much.  It's a good song, but I can't say it is SOOOOO much better than the rest of Marbles.  "Neverland" is the standout track on that album by any standard.   

I honestly think that "Ocean Cloud" gets the love because it's a) long, and b) because the band built up the mystique by making it exclusive to the deluxe version (which is for the hard core fans primarily, and to my knowledge, not available except from the website).

You're expressing opinions so I'm not sure where the sacrilege comes in. It's a great song and that's all I need to know about it. You don't have to build it up if you don't like it, but I'm not sure where you get off telling ME not to build it up. Should I base my listening needs on what you think is worthy?  ;) Maybe you didn't mean it to sound sanctimonious but it does come off as such.

I apologize; I don't mean to be sanctimonious, only to say that anytime someone builds up an entire double album based on one song, it's fraught with peril if the person doesn't jibe with that one song.   And given that I don't jibe with that song, it's possible.  It's not like that song is "Stairway To Heaven" or "Bohemian Rhapsody", beloved by the masses.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on June 07, 2016, 12:41:20 PM
Um, SACRILEGE ALERT, but don't build up "Ocean Cloud" too much.  It's a good song, but I can't say it is SOOOOO much better than the rest of Marbles.  "Neverland" is the standout track on that album by any standard.   

I honestly think that "Ocean Cloud" gets the love because it's a) long, and b) because the band built up the mystique by making it exclusive to the deluxe version (which is for the hard core fans primarily, and to my knowledge, not available except from the website).

You're expressing opinions so I'm not sure where the sacrilege comes in. It's a great song and that's all I need to know about it. You don't have to build it up if you don't like it, but I'm not sure where you get off telling ME not to build it up. Should I base my listening needs on what you think is worthy?  ;) Maybe you didn't mean it to sound sanctimonious but it does come off as such.

I apologize; I don't mean to be sanctimonious, only to say that anytime someone builds up an entire double album based on one song, it's fraught with peril if the person doesn't jibe with that one song.   And given that I don't jibe with that song, it's possible.  It's not like that song is "Stairway To Heaven" or "Bohemian Rhapsody", beloved by the masses.

I understand and I agree that some people are guilty of what you said. I can assure you that I'm not one of them. I agree with your earlier assessment about Neverland being the standout track. In my opinion, Ocean Cloud is the next best song.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 07, 2016, 02:43:28 PM
I actually like the vocal stuttering/repeating/echoing effect on Neverland. It is something different, and unique, and it conveys a type of emotion you don't hear all that often from H or for that matter, many other singers. I actually think if it wasn't there, Neverland wouldn't be as good.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on June 07, 2016, 02:48:21 PM
Marbles is, and probably always will be, my favorite Marillion album. The three epics act as pillars that hold up the beginning, middle and end of the album, and are all VERY strong songs. The "Marbles" tracks tie everything together as a sort of musical glue that reminds us of that theme as we travel through the album. And the rest of the shorter songs are all amazing in their own ways.

Though, if i had to rank those three epics, I'd put Neverland first, then Ocean Cloud, and finally The Invisible Man, but they'd all be VERY close to each other. All three are very emotionally moving and powerful, and I always find myself choking up a little bit when listening to them.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on June 08, 2016, 05:40:06 AM
I'd rank the epics Ocean Cloud, Neverland, The Invisible Man, but I'd intersperse them with the shorter songs. I'm not even sure if Ocean Cloud is #1. I absolutely love Genie and Fantastic Place.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: red barchetta on June 08, 2016, 06:35:18 AM
Of course he's human. He has the ability to reason and his reasoning is that Brave bores him.

Good, then I'm human even if TA really bores me. ;)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: red barchetta on June 08, 2016, 06:38:34 AM
First time, ever, listening to this band today. Half way through listening to Misplaced Childhood and got to say it's a VERY impressive first listen. Sure to be giving this plenty more listens  :tup

Misplaced childhood is a great album from start to finish.  That's almost perfect. Marillion was one of the very few prog band of the 80's at a time when that style was at its lowest popularity probably.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on June 08, 2016, 12:30:28 PM
Of course he's human. He has the ability to reason and his reasoning is that Brave bores him.

Good, then I'm human even if TA really bores me. ;)

Well now you're just being silly.   :lol  ;)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 08, 2016, 12:45:41 PM
I actually like the vocal stuttering/repeating/echoing effect on Neverland. It is something different, and unique, and it conveys a type of emotion you don't hear all that often from H or for that matter, many other singers. I actually think if it wasn't there, Neverland wouldn't be as good.

That MAKES it for me.  I love that part. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 28, 2016, 04:55:06 AM
per the Pledgemusic campaign page, this is apparently the Track Listing.

Quote
We promised to keep you updated on the album progress. So, with that in mind, we are pleased to share our final and confirmed track listing. More news coming soon:)

1. El Dorado (i) Long-Shadowed Sun
2. El Dorado (ii) The Gold
3. El Dorado (iii) Demolished Lives
4. El Dorado (iv) F E A R
5. El Dorado (v) The Grandchildren of Apes
6. Living in F E A R
7. The Leavers (i) Wake Up in Music
8. The Leavers (ii) The Remainers
9. The Leavers (iii) Vapour Trails in the Sky
10. The Leavers (iv) The Jumble of Days
11.   The Leavers (v) One Tonight
12.   White Paper
13.   The New Kings (i) Fuck Everyone and Run
14.   The New Kings (ii) Russia’s Locked Doors
15.   The New Kings (iii) A Scary Sky
16.   The New Kings (iv) Why Is Nothing Ever True?
17.   The Leavers (vi) Tomorrow’s New Country
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: devieira73 on June 28, 2016, 07:06:56 AM
Wow, only 5 songs?! A CD full of Marillion epics?! Cool...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on June 28, 2016, 07:18:03 AM
Interesting that the final part of "The Leavers" is separate from the rest of it. Wonder if it acts as a hidden track?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 06, 2016, 02:28:34 PM
Wow, only 5 songs?! A CD full of Marillion epics?! Cool...

Seriously, this looks more like a Transatlantic tracklisting than a Marillion one. Looks impressive, though I have to wonder how long those multi-part songs will end up being. For all we know, they could only be 15 minutes long...or they could be close to 30!

Interesting that the final part of "The Leavers" is separate from the rest of it. Wonder if it acts as a hidden track?

I've been wondering that, too, but I think it might just be more of a small reprise for the suite, or perhaps, that part of "The Leavers" sounded best to close the album, but they wanted the rest of the suite in the middle of the album? Who knows...

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 06, 2016, 06:15:17 PM
I also wouldn't put it past them to have sequenced it by keys that flow together. Perhaps that part of "The Leavers" perfectly leads into "White Paper" which perfectly leads into the last epic, but there was still the last part of "The Leavers" to go.

Either way I'm sure Marc is correct in saying they thought that last part of "The Leavers" was the right ending for the record. Bit like the "Shine On..." and "In the Presence of Enemies" situations.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 07, 2016, 06:53:28 AM
Apparently,  "The New Kings" has been released and runs at 16:36 long.

I think we're definitely looking at a lengthy album here, folks!  :tup

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on July 07, 2016, 08:28:03 AM
To anyone who pre-ordered through Pledgemusic, check your emails, they sent out The New Kings mp3.

Listening now...pretty classic stuff....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on July 07, 2016, 08:38:46 AM
I'm excited for this.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on July 07, 2016, 08:45:13 AM
And sixteen minutes later, killer fucking tune. I'm sure it's up on YT by now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on July 07, 2016, 10:00:43 AM
Awww man, fucking Rothery's guitars at  the end........right in the feels bro...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on July 07, 2016, 10:22:27 AM
Okay, now I have to find this song.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 07, 2016, 12:25:44 PM
NEW KINGS!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 08, 2016, 04:55:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xiwtl-ljUI0
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on July 08, 2016, 05:25:26 AM
I forgot to mention this. The other day my Facebook status was a Marillion song quote and the official Marillion Facebook page liked it.  :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: devieira73 on July 08, 2016, 06:19:18 AM
From Google Play pre-order:

1
El Dorado (i) Long-Shadowed Sun
1:26
Album only
2
El Dorado (ii) the Gold
6:12
Album only
3
El Dorado (iii) Demolished Lives
2:23
Album only
4
El Dorado (iv) F E A R
4:07
Album only
5
El Dorado (v) the Grandchildren of Apes
2:35
Album only
6
Living in F E A R
6:25
Album only
7
The Leavers (i) Wake up in Music
4:27
Album only
8
The Leavers (ii) the Remainers
1:34
Album only
9
The Leavers (iii) Vapour Trails in the Sky
4:49
Album only
10
The Leavers (iv) the Jumble of Days
4:20
Album only
11
The Leavers (v) One Tonight
3:56
Album only
12
White Paper
7:18
Album only
13
The New Kings (i) Fuck Everyone and Run
4:22
Album only
14
The New Kings (ii) Russia's Locked Doors
6:24
Album only
15
The New Kings (iii) a Scary Sky
2:33
Album only
16
The New Kings (iv) Why Is Nothing Ever True?
3:24
Album only
17
Tomorrow's New Country
1:47
Album only
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 08, 2016, 07:10:43 AM
El Dorado 16:43
Living In FEAR 6:25
The Leavers (I-V) 19:06
White Paper 7:18
The New Kings 16:43
Tomorrow's New Country 1:47
Total- 68:02

Some quick math...and wow. An album of epics and 2 shorter songs. This might be pretty impressive. Their long form pieces do tend to be some of my favorites (as evidenced by their stellar performances of them on their Marillion Weekend release Size Matters).

I wonder if part VI of "The Leavers" will be performed with the rest of it when done live?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 08, 2016, 08:19:02 AM
I forgot to mention this. The other day my Facebook status was a Marillion song quote and the official Marillion Facebook page liked it.  :metal
I can apparently top that now  :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on July 08, 2016, 09:59:26 AM
The New Kings is actually 16:43, not 17:03. So with El Dorado and The New Kings we have two epics of exactly the same length.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 08, 2016, 11:03:37 AM
The New Kings is actually 16:43, not 17:03. So with El Dorado and The New Kings we have two epics of exactly the same length.


You're right. I can't do math right when I wake up lol

And I'm sure the similar track lengths were planned.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on July 08, 2016, 11:27:24 AM
I forgot to mention this. The other day my Facebook status was a Marillion song quote and the official Marillion Facebook page liked it.  :metal
I can apparently top that now  :lol

Seriously. Keep trying, Jeremy.  :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 08, 2016, 11:36:57 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 08, 2016, 11:43:20 AM
That was amazing.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: kingshmegland on July 08, 2016, 11:44:14 AM
 :lol


It sure was.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 08, 2016, 11:49:23 AM
Now I'm kind of excited to check out their new music lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on July 08, 2016, 12:02:59 PM
When I first started listening to them, a friend of mine, who is a huge Marillion fan, told me I'd probably like Season's End. Coincidentally, that album has Easter on it. I still consider it one of my favorite Marillion albums.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on July 08, 2016, 04:25:51 PM
I think we need a screenshot for those not involved. I posted that I was excited to be listening to new Marillion on FB, and Hef came in and we harmlessly bantered back and forth as we usually do. Then Marillion decided to give Hef a bit of life direction....

(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/13649471_959107154187392_199742126_n.png?oh=0cb2e20b7faff0527421ed669f716845&oe=5782B787)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 08, 2016, 05:36:01 PM
 :lol

Whoa, indeed.

Back when I discovered Transatlantic (after Dream Theater), I decided to check out the other 3 parent-bands Transatlantic's members came from. Spock's Beard came to me easily, as did nearly all of Neal's music up to that time (around 2005 when I discovered them). The Flower Kings came next, not long after, and I quickly lapped up all they had available, anxiously awaiting their next outing (which was Paradox Hotel, an album I didn't quite get into at release, but is now a top 3 TFK album for me). And then there was Marillion.

After SB and TFK, I wasn't really getting into Marillion myself, neither Fish or H era stuff, and I tried. Hard. A lot. Several times. I bought a few of their albums, spun others online, and nothing clicked with me. It wasn't until after Happiness Is The Road that I started to really get into them. Marbles clicked, then so did Season's End and Brave, and slowly but surely, the other albums started sounding good to me. I was getting into them, even Fish era stuff, while dated, started sounding good too.

I think Marillion is a fairly dense band, by that, I mean they've got a sound that is hard to get into, unless you're already opened up to it, or something like it. It's hard to pin down what they sound LIKE, other than themselves, but for whatever reason, their unique sound kind of makes a barrier for a lot of new fans.

I went through a phase of buying up a TON of Marillion stuff, from studio albums, to going on eBay to buy out-of-print Racket Record exclusives (like older Marillion Weekend shows on DVD and CD, or making-of albums, or other random live shows). I spent more money than I care to account on getting a lot of Marillion albums, and I was totally in love with the band and their sound. I missed out on the crowd-funding for HITR, but when Sounds That Can't Be Made came up, I pledged and eagerly awaited the album. I got the gorgeous book-cased CD with a wonderful chipboard slipcover. It's an amazing addition to my collection.

Unfortunately, I missed out on the pre-order campaign for FEAR, and will have to resort to the retail edition. I have to say, though, in the years since STCBM, I've died down on my love for Marillion. Still a great band, yes, but I'm not AS obsessed as I was before. I haven't scoured their Racket Records shop for new Marillion Weekend shows or live albums, and I haven't really listened to them all that much in the last couple of years (I blame Haken and Big Big Train for being the "newer" bands in my life that I have obsessed over).

TL;DR - I can completely resonate with the feel that Marillion is just too hard to get into, so don't feel bad and don't feel pressured to get into them. If you try again in a few years, you may find yourself liking them as I did.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on July 08, 2016, 07:13:07 PM
I've listened to pretty much every Marillion album and still can hardly get into their stuff. I mean, I love the hell out of Ocean Cloud, and there's three songs on Sounds That Can't Be Made I like, but a lot of it just does not click for me at all.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on July 09, 2016, 04:22:22 AM
I like all Marillion eras, but I definitely prefer the more guitar-driven pre-Marbles albums. That said, I'm really enjoying The New Kings - that solo by Rothery and part IV = :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 09, 2016, 08:20:50 AM
I've listened to pretty much every Marillion album and still can hardly get into their stuff. I mean, I love the hell out of Ocean Cloud, and there's three songs on Sounds That Can't Be Made I like, but a lot of it just does not click for me at all.

This was my exact situation. However, once "Gaza" and "Montreal" made an impression on me, I started listening to STCBM in full and I find the whole thing very consistently impressive now. Then I went back to the full Marbles double disc, and I find that whole thing fairly consistent too. I can't say the same for marillion.com beyond the last two tracks yet, but otherwise this has simply been an exercise in patience more than it was for other prog bands. Now the patience is paying off.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 11, 2016, 09:05:10 AM
Am I the only one that doesn't give a flying f*** about the song lengths?  Some people here are like "16 minutes!  Woo hoo!" and yet... what does it matter?    Heart of Lothian is my favorite Marillion song.  4:08.  Cinderella Search, top five song.  5:46.
After Me, top ten song.  3:20.  Gaza?  BO-RING!

Good music is good music, regardless of length. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on July 11, 2016, 09:12:31 AM
I agree with your overall point, but Gaza is fucking amazing.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on July 11, 2016, 09:24:46 AM
Lengths matter hugely. It gives us perspective on the album and its structure. Everyone knows that most of the greatest prog songs are epics; you can't deny that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on July 11, 2016, 10:27:32 AM
Am I the only one that doesn't give a flying f*** about the song lengths?  Some people here are like "16 minutes!  Woo hoo!" and yet... what does it matter?    Heart of Lothian is my favorite Marillion song.  4:08.  Cinderella Search, top five song.  5:46.
After Me, top ten song.  3:20.  Gaza?  BO-RING!

Good music is good music, regardless of length.

+1

Same for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 11, 2016, 11:43:42 AM
Lengths matter hugely. It gives us perspective on the album and its structure. Everyone knows that most of the greatest prog songs are epics; you can't deny that.

Eh.   No.   I wrote a bit about the "ten best prog bands" and how their greatest songs are largely less than 8:00 and then lost it, so there you go.  But I think length is HUGELY over-rated.

In song length.  ;)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 11, 2016, 02:15:05 PM
Lengths matter hugely. It gives us perspective on the album and its structure. Everyone knows that most of the greatest prog songs are epics; you can't deny that.

In prog, absolutely. If you're supposed to be prog-whatever and you can't write a good epic, something's gone awry.

Most other genres, it's irrelevant.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on July 11, 2016, 03:02:42 PM
I have a theory why bands (such as Marillion on their new album) make epics run across several tracks nowadays. You can buy individual tracks off albums. Say the price was 99p per track, regardless of length. So a 23-minute song would cost the same to download individually as a 4-minute song. Whereas if the 23-minute song was split across four tracks, it would cost £3.96 if you wanted that song. Perhaps a better reflection of the more significant chunk of the album that the epic takes up.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on July 11, 2016, 03:27:38 PM
That's plausible. I haven't thought about it a lot, except that it kinda annoys me because I do a lot of my listening to music on shuffle, so I'll probably just end up putting all the parts into one song so that that works out.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 11, 2016, 04:03:47 PM
I have a theory why bands (such as Marillion on their new album) make epics run across several tracks nowadays. You can buy individual tracks off albums. Say the price was 99p per track, regardless of length. So a 23-minute song would cost the same to download individually as a 4-minute song. Whereas if the 23-minute song was split across four tracks, it would cost £3.96 if you wanted that song. Perhaps a better reflection of the more significant chunk of the album that the epic takes up.

Not really. Most websites, like Amazon, will not put longer tracks up for individual sale. They'll say "Album Only", which means you'd have to buy the WHOLE album to get those longer tracks. I've seen some prog albums with lengthy tracks and one or two shorter songs, and only THOSE one or two tracks will be available for purchase as single mp3s!!!

So I don't think dividing the epics up is a monetary decision. Splitting them up hardly makes sense digitally anyway since they'll flow and segue into each other, so what happens if you don't buy the whole album? You end up with parts of a song that don't have their next parts, or some other stupid reason. Epics, with movements, should be single tracks, IMO, when in digital stores. It makes the most sense musically, and doesn't ruin the integrity of the piece by dicing it up.

As for whether or not length matters, I'd say so for the case of Marillion. When I ran the Marillion Survivor 5 years ago, a lot of the band's longer tracks were in the top 1 or 2 spots for their respective albums:
"This Strange Engine" placed 1st on its album (the longest track on the album)
"A Few Words For The Dead" placed 1st on the album Radiation (the longest track on the album)
"Interior Lulu" and "House" placed 1st and 2nd respectively on the album marillion.com (both over 10 minutes long)
"Quartz", "This Is The 21st Century" and "If My Heart Were A Ball" were the top 3 from Anoraknophobia (all over 9 minutes long)
"Neverland", "The Invisible Man" and "Ocean Cloud" were the top 3 from Marbles (all over 12 minutes long)
"Somewhere Else" placed 1st on its album (the longest track on the album)
"Happiness Is The Road" placed 1st on Volume 1 of the 2-part album (the longest track of Volume 1)
"Grendel" placed 1st among the band's Fish-Era B-Sides

So yeah, even here, Marillion fans look forward to the band's epics. They're sprawling musical canvases painted with strong emotional strokes of instrumental skill. While their epics might not ALWAYS be what *some* fans enjoy, for many, they're highlights to an album, sometimes the epic opener or closer, or at very least, the centerpiece. In the case of Marbles, the epics were ALL THREE.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 11, 2016, 07:20:26 PM
I have a theory why bands (such as Marillion on their new album) make epics run across several tracks nowadays. You can buy individual tracks off albums. Say the price was 99p per track, regardless of length. So a 23-minute song would cost the same to download individually as a 4-minute song. Whereas if the 23-minute song was split across four tracks, it would cost £3.96 if you wanted that song. Perhaps a better reflection of the more significant chunk of the album that the epic takes up.

Not really. Most websites, like Amazon, will not put longer tracks up for individual sale. They'll say "Album Only", which means you'd have to buy the WHOLE album to get those longer tracks. I've seen some prog albums with lengthy tracks and one or two shorter songs, and only THOSE one or two tracks will be available for purchase as single mp3s!!!

So I don't think dividing the epics up is a monetary decision. Splitting them up hardly makes sense digitally anyway since they'll flow and segue into each other, so what happens if you don't buy the whole album? You end up with parts of a song that don't have their next parts, or some other stupid reason. Epics, with movements, should be single tracks, IMO, when in digital stores. It makes the most sense musically, and doesn't ruin the integrity of the piece by dicing it up.

As for whether or not length matters, I'd say so for the case of Marillion. When I ran the Marillion Survivor 5 years ago, a lot of the band's longer tracks were in the top 1 or 2 spots for their respective albums:
"This Strange Engine" placed 1st on its album (the longest track on the album)
"A Few Words For The Dead" placed 1st on the album Radiation (the longest track on the album)
"Interior Lulu" and "House" placed 1st and 2nd respectively on the album marillion.com (both over 10 minutes long)
"Quartz", "This Is The 21st Century" and "If My Heart Were A Ball" were the top 3 from Anoraknophobia (all over 9 minutes long)
"Neverland", "The Invisible Man" and "Ocean Cloud" were the top 3 from Marbles (all over 12 minutes long)
"Somewhere Else" placed 1st on its album (the longest track on the album)
"Happiness Is The Road" placed 1st on Volume 1 of the 2-part album (the longest track of Volume 1)
"Grendel" placed 1st among the band's Fish-Era B-Sides

So yeah, even here, Marillion fans look forward to the band's epics. They're sprawling musical canvases painted with strong emotional strokes of instrumental skill. While their epics might not ALWAYS be what *some* fans enjoy, for many, they're highlights to an album, sometimes the epic opener or closer, or at very least, the centerpiece. In the case of Marbles, the epics were ALL THREE.

-Marc.

Not sure how to say this without sounding more dick-like than I mean to, but it's sort of a self-fulfilling prophesy, the pointing to the 20 people that valye length and saying "yeah, fans value length". 

For me - a Marillion fan since '85; I bought Misplaced Childhood upon release - NONE of the epics are in my top ten, except for Neverland, and let's be honest, there's a full minute, minute and a half at the end that is non-essential. 

Top five albums (Best song):
Clutching at Straws (Slainthe Mhathe 4:44)
Brave (Lap of Luxury, listed at 8:13, but it's two songs together)
Misplaced Childhood (Heart of Lothian 4:08)
Afraid of Sunlight (Afraid of Sunlight 6:49)
Marbles (Neverland 12:10)

Best b-sides:
Cinderella Search (5:32)
Tux On (5:13)
Lady Nina (5:50)


I know "best" is "taste", but one man's "sprawling musical canvas painted with strong emotional strokes of instrumental skill" are another man's bloated incoherent ramblings.  Marillion is best when concise and direct and to the point.  Musical assassins, so to speak. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 11, 2016, 07:54:50 PM
Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.

Just because I, or anyone else, enjoy the band's epics/longer songs a lot doesn't mean I dislike/hate their shorter songs, either. And I think it speaks to the band's strengths as musicians and writers that ALL of their music, be it their shorter songs or their longer epics, can be liked by their fans.

If all of their fans enjoyed JUST the epics, then we can't really say that the band is good at writing anything BUT those types of songs. Conversely, if a band wrote really great shorter songs, but their epics weren't liked by ANYONE, then we'd have to say that their epics weren't really that great. But since, at least here, we've got fans who like both by the same band, it just seems to me that they've got strengths in BOTH categories, and that's pretty prog of them right there. They can throw all of their really great hooks and musical chops into a 4-6 minute piece, while keeping it concise, or they can spread it would, create some atmospheric stuff and really stretch out an idea and still keep it interesting too.

Either way, a band like Marillion has always had a "YMMV" vibe, so it's nice to see a lot of varying opinions regarding their music. It'd be pretty boring of them if EVERYONE liked the same songs, wouldn't it?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on July 12, 2016, 12:58:32 AM
Splitting them up hardly makes sense digitally anyway since they'll flow and segue into each other, so what happens if you don't buy the whole album? You end up with parts of a song that don't have their next parts, or some other stupid reason. Epics, with movements, should be single tracks, IMO, when in digital stores. It makes the most sense musically, and doesn't ruin the integrity of the piece by dicing it up.

I agree. When I see an epic that's split up, I have to consciously force myself to recognize it as one piece. It doesn't come as naturally as seeing it as one track. And the "pick your favourite section" argument is irrelevant. You either go on the whole journey of the song, or don't.


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As for whether or not length matters, I'd say so for the case of Marillion. When I ran the Marillion Survivor 5 years ago, a lot of the band's longer tracks were in the top 1 or 2 spots for their respective albums:
"This Strange Engine" placed 1st on its album (the longest track on the album)
"A Few Words For The Dead" placed 1st on the album Radiation (the longest track on the album)
"Interior Lulu" and "House" placed 1st and 2nd respectively on the album marillion.com (both over 10 minutes long)
"Quartz", "This Is The 21st Century" and "If My Heart Were A Ball" were the top 3 from Anoraknophobia (all over 9 minutes long)
"Neverland", "The Invisible Man" and "Ocean Cloud" were the top 3 from Marbles (all over 12 minutes long)
"Somewhere Else" placed 1st on its album (the longest track on the album)
"Happiness Is The Road" placed 1st on Volume 1 of the 2-part album (the longest track of Volume 1)
"Grendel" placed 1st among the band's Fish-Era B-Sides

So yeah, even here, Marillion fans look forward to the band's epics. They're sprawling musical canvases painted with strong emotional strokes of instrumental skill. While their epics might not ALWAYS be what *some* fans enjoy, for many, they're highlights to an album, sometimes the epic opener or closer, or at very least, the centerpiece. In the case of Marbles, the epics were ALL THREE.

-Marc.

Boom. Proof. Of course there are going to be those who disagree, but even they can't deny that, to MANY prog fans, the epics are the most anticipated, and in many cases end up being the favourite song of MANY prog fans.

And bringing it back to Marbles, the three epics there are perfectly placed at the beginning, middle (near enough) and end of the album. The three pillars on which the rest of the album, well, rests.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on July 12, 2016, 05:44:44 AM
Not sure how to say this without sounding more dick-like than I mean to, but it's sort of a self-fulfilling prophesy, the pointing to the 20 people that valye length and saying "yeah, fans value length". 

For me - a Marillion fan since '85; I bought Misplaced Childhood upon release - NONE of the epics are in my top ten, except for Neverland, and let's be honest, there's a full minute, minute and a half at the end that is non-essential. 

Top five albums (Best song):
Clutching at Straws (Slainthe Mhathe 4:44)
Brave (Lap of Luxury, listed at 8:13, but it's two songs together)
Misplaced Childhood (Heart of Lothian 4:08)
Afraid of Sunlight (Afraid of Sunlight 6:49)
Marbles (Neverland 12:10)

Best b-sides:
Cinderella Search (5:32)
Tux On (5:13)
Lady Nina (5:50)


I know "best" is "taste", but one man's "sprawling musical canvas painted with strong emotional strokes of instrumental skill" are another man's bloated incoherent ramblings.  Marillion is best when concise and direct and to the point.  Musical assassins, so to speak. 

All of that is just an opinion, no more or no less provable than Letter M's. The fact is that many prog fans do tend to love the epic, 10+ minute pieces that a band writes. Prog fans, more than fans of most other types of music, are open to longer pieces of music.  That doesn't mean they are against shorter songs. Saying that "Marillion is best when concise and direct and to the point" is just an opinion. Many fans would disagree. Neither are more right than the other because what we enjoy is relative. However, many prog fans do like their epics and that isn't something that should be neglected because you, or someone else, thinks the shorter songs are better. For the record, saying that 20 people value length as some kind of argument to prove your point is completely inaccurate.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 12, 2016, 08:04:21 AM
All of that is just an opinion, no more or no less provable than Letter M's. The fact is that many prog fans do tend to love the epic, 10+ minute pieces that a band writes. Prog fans, more than fans of most other types of music, are open to longer pieces of music.  That doesn't mean they are against shorter songs. Saying that "Marillion is best when concise and direct and to the point" is just an opinion. Many fans would disagree. Neither are more right than the other because what we enjoy is relative. However, many prog fans do like their epics and that isn't something that should be neglected because you, or someone else, thinks the shorter songs are better. For the record, saying that 20 people value length as some kind of argument to prove your point is completely inaccurate.

Of course you're right.  No question and no argument.  But I'm responding in kind to things like "Boom. Proof.".   It's not proof.   And while I agree that it is opinion, I don't at all agree that "MANY" qualifies.   And finally, even if I'm wrong on all that - which I may well be - the REAL point is that the TIME ITSELF isn't what makes it great.   There's no way, subjectively or objectively to look at a song, unheard, see the length, and say "CLASSIC!".  Which is what a lot of this sounds like.   

At the end, though, to each their own.   But I'd much rather sit through four-and-three-quarters plays of "Heart of Lothian" than one play of "Grendel's Ready", or five plays of "After Me" than one of "Gaza" (though "Neverland" makes my top five Marillion song list). 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 12, 2016, 08:09:38 AM
On a more positive note, do we know what Marillion studio albums have been released in 5.1? 

I think Radiation (2013) and Sounds That Can't Be Made are the only two.  Anyone know different?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on July 12, 2016, 10:18:33 AM
And finally, even if I'm wrong on all that - which I may well be - the REAL point is that the TIME ITSELF isn't what makes it great.   There's no way, subjectively or objectively to look at a song, unheard, see the length, and say "CLASSIC!".  Which is what a lot of this sounds like.

 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:  Of course not! I never even said that! But the long songs have such a good track record of being great pieces of music that some/many/most (delete as applicable) fans mentally highlight those tracks as ones to listen out for.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 12, 2016, 12:28:50 PM
And finally, even if I'm wrong on all that - which I may well be - the REAL point is that the TIME ITSELF isn't what makes it great.   There's no way, subjectively or objectively to look at a song, unheard, see the length, and say "CLASSIC!".  Which is what a lot of this sounds like.

 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:  Of course not! I never even said that! But the long songs have such a good track record of being great pieces of music that some/many/most (delete as applicable) fans mentally highlight those tracks as ones to listen out for.

Hey, look, at the end of the say, we're both talking about a band we both love (I mean, I do, and I'm assuming you do too) so it's all good.  Friendly arguing so to speak.   All I'm saying is that for me it's not the case.  I don't love Grendel as a lot of other early fans do, I think This Strange Engine BLOWS hard - I literally stopped listening to the band after this album, and only came back after I caught snippets of Marbles - and am not enamored with the longer songs on marillion.com, so for me it is at best meaningless information for me until I can hear the song itself. 

We're all good. I don't begrudge you your optimism.  :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on July 12, 2016, 12:54:04 PM
All of that is just an opinion, no more or no less provable than Letter M's. The fact is that many prog fans do tend to love the epic, 10+ minute pieces that a band writes. Prog fans, more than fans of most other types of music, are open to longer pieces of music.  That doesn't mean they are against shorter songs. Saying that "Marillion is best when concise and direct and to the point" is just an opinion. Many fans would disagree. Neither are more right than the other because what we enjoy is relative. However, many prog fans do like their epics and that isn't something that should be neglected because you, or someone else, thinks the shorter songs are better. For the record, saying that 20 people value length as some kind of argument to prove your point is completely inaccurate.

Of course you're right.  No question and no argument.  But I'm responding in kind to things like "Boom. Proof.".   It's not proof.   And while I agree that it is opinion, I don't at all agree that "MANY" qualifies.   And finally, even if I'm wrong on all that - which I may well be - the REAL point is that the TIME ITSELF isn't what makes it great.   There's no way, subjectively or objectively to look at a song, unheard, see the length, and say "CLASSIC!".  Which is what a lot of this sounds like.   

At the end, though, to each their own.   But I'd much rather sit through four-and-three-quarters plays of "Heart of Lothian" than one play of "Grendel's Ready", or five plays of "After Me" than one of "Gaza" (though "Neverland" makes my top five Marillion song list).

I was agreeing with you until that last sentence in the first paragraph. I'm not sure who said that here. Maybe I missed it or maybe you're just speaking in general about how some fans are. I don't doubt that there are a select few out there who just see a song's length and judge it based on that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on September 02, 2016, 12:26:24 PM
US Tour dates up!:

https://marillion.com/tour

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on September 02, 2016, 12:28:04 PM
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Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 02, 2016, 12:56:25 PM
hoping to see dates for Next Spring soon (I'm unlikely to make a show this fall unfortunately).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 04, 2016, 12:32:38 PM
This band is still the biggest failure for me ever.  I tried like hell to get into them, trying many songs from many albums, and they never really stuck. I like probably 10-15 songs of theirs (most of which are from Misplaced Childhood and Clutching at Straws), but even those are ones I just kinda like.

Also, the end of Goodbye to All That on Brave that leads into Hard as Love is the biggest tease ever. That last minute is really awesome, easily one of the two coolest things I have ever heard by them (along with the Easter guitar solo), and then it goes into the boring ass Hard as Love. They should have taken that minute and made a whole song out of it.  :facepalm: :censored


Well admittedly, that whole Brave album is my cure for insomnia. I've pretty much determined that it's my least favorite Marillion album ever (With Afraid of Sunlight and Less is More not far behind...)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 04, 2016, 12:38:57 PM
Um, SACRILEGE ALERT, but don't build up "Ocean Cloud" too much.  It's a good song, but I can't say it is SOOOOO much better than the rest of Marbles.  "Neverland" is the standout track on that album by any standard.   

I honestly think that "Ocean Cloud" gets the love because it's a) long, and b) because the band built up the mystique by making it exclusive to the deluxe version (which is for the hard core fans primarily, and to my knowledge, not available except from the website).

Ocean Cloud is OK but Neverland is RIDICULOUS live.

Can't say I listen to the studio version of Marbles much having been pretty much married to the official bootleg from the TLA in Philly on that tour (Of course being there probably helped.) but that's probably one of my favorite Hogarth albums along with Seasons End, This Strange Engine and Radiation.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 04, 2016, 12:42:10 PM
First time, ever, listening to this band today. Half way through listening to Misplaced Childhood and got to say it's a VERY impressive first listen. Sure to be giving this plenty more listens  :tup

Misplaced childhood is a great album from start to finish.  That's almost perfect. Marillion was one of the very few prog band of the 80's at a time when that style was at its lowest popularity probably.

Yet, they were selling out stadiums in Europe. Sadly, they were still playing clubs in the US.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 04, 2016, 12:50:00 PM
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These went on sale last December (about 10 months before show time), but we finally decided to pull the trigger on a show this weekend before the album release causes another spike in ticket sales. I didn't think the Keswick was going to sell out, but it's almost there because they don't appear to be selling balcony seats.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 22, 2016, 10:13:17 PM
Just got my download link for FEAR.... game on suckahs!!!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on September 23, 2016, 03:22:48 AM
Considering a brand new album by one of prog's biggest bands is out today, this thread should be more active than it is right now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on September 23, 2016, 05:24:25 AM
Indeed it should be. I'm sure once people hear it there will be more discussion about it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on September 23, 2016, 07:24:53 PM
Loving this album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 23, 2016, 08:33:24 PM
Agreed, they fucking hit it out of the park on this one. Eldorado and White Paper are early favorites, but that of course could change.


Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Hypnotoad on September 24, 2016, 02:51:13 AM
Incredible album. I'm stunned how good this is. Spent all day listening to it yesterday and I think this is giving me the same feeling I had with Hand.Cannot.Erase. I'm listening to a landmark album and a modern classic.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: kingshmegland on September 24, 2016, 07:42:39 AM
Agreed, they fucking hit it out of the park on this one. Eldorado and White Paper are early favorites, but that of course could change.

I need to pick it up right now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on September 24, 2016, 08:26:31 AM
Marillion are great at album closers. Fugazi, King, A Few Words for the Dead, Neverland, to name just a few. Admittedly, Made Again isn't one of those great closers. They should have just ended Brave with Great Escape, imho.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on September 30, 2016, 07:40:00 AM
After a few listens it's safe to say that this is Marillion's best album since Anoraknophobia (to me) :tup The Leavers and White Paper are my early favorites, though The New Kings still sounds great after a couple of months. Also, the pictures in the extended booklet of the special edition look gorgeous.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on September 30, 2016, 07:54:38 AM
It's on Spotify so I just started listening.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on September 30, 2016, 11:05:35 AM
Good news everyone! F.E.A.R has charted at No. 4 in the UK, their first top 5 album in 29 years, since Clutching at Straws!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on September 30, 2016, 11:47:18 AM
This is an amazing album. I'm listening to it a second time. The melodies are beautiful and endearing. This is going to be better than Sounds That Can't Be Made.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on September 30, 2016, 12:15:36 PM
Just got the campaign deluxe edition. Absolutely beautiful and stunning.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 30, 2016, 12:43:51 PM
Listening now. So far so good. :smiley:

I am really impressed by the scope of this album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 30, 2016, 12:55:41 PM
going to the 2nd Chicago show! ticket and airfare acquired.

I just need to work more on the Hotel/Hostel situation.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 02, 2016, 10:57:30 AM
It's a grower. Very solid.  Living In Fear really stands out for me so far. Can't wait to experience that live if they decide to play it. I like The Leavers a lot too.

Would have been nice to hear more Rothery, but after his gift of a solo album I won't hold it against him. He is still doing some interesting things though.

I was hoping to get a chance to pop in the DVD this weekend. Maybe I'll still have time.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on October 05, 2016, 12:19:35 PM
It's a grower. Very solid.  Living In Fear really stands out for me so far.

Yes. Makes me wish I could get to see them live. It's not in the cards though...

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on October 06, 2016, 02:28:44 PM
Played the newie for the first time today and enjoyed it. I'm really just a Fish era fan but I found this a nice relaxing listen and Hogarth isn't too cringey . Going to have to try some of the more recent stuff if it's anything like this
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 12, 2016, 04:18:20 PM
Played the newie for the first time today and enjoyed it. I'm really just a Fish era fan but I found this a nice relaxing listen and Hogarth isn't too cringey . Going to have to try some of the more recent stuff if it's anything like this

Last few Fish albums have been among his best ever.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 13, 2016, 01:01:04 AM
^ correct. 'A Feast of Consequences'  is an amazing album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 15, 2016, 10:42:05 AM
^ correct. 'A Feast of Consequences'  is an amazing album.

Actually pulling that one off of the shelf right now.....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 20, 2016, 10:31:13 PM
Less than 24 hours till showtime :caffeine:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on October 20, 2016, 11:14:33 PM
 :metal

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: kingshmegland on October 21, 2016, 06:52:44 AM
Awe man RJ! :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 21, 2016, 07:12:31 PM
In line......  :RJ:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 22, 2016, 01:00:22 AM
You guys are in for a real, treat, the new songs are amazing live.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 22, 2016, 01:50:39 PM
You guys are in for a real, treat, the new songs are amazing live.

There was never any doubt of that.

Are they playing more than one or two new ones?

 I haven't decided if I want to know the whole set or not although it probably won't make any difference one way or the other.

I may just spring for my first non-Rush concert shirt in years.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 22, 2016, 07:09:55 PM
Our set had three new ones, two of them epics. There was one significant thing about the set.... They didn't play a single song from before 1995
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 29, 2016, 03:44:18 PM
Our set had three new ones, two of them epics. There was one significant thing about the set.... They didn't play a single song from before 1995

I have no problem with that. That means there are no Brave tunes so I'll be digging it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 31, 2016, 09:42:47 PM
Blasphemy....Brave is my favorite H album....


Seems they've been shaking up the setlist some as the tour progresses, but the three tracks of FEAR are in every show.


Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on November 01, 2016, 05:43:10 AM
Brave is awesome and easily one of my favorite H albums.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 05, 2016, 10:55:20 AM
Blasphemy....Brave is my favorite H album....


Seems they've been shaking up the setlist some as the tour progresses, but the three tracks of FEAR are in every show.

My condolences....

Would have been stoked to hear more of FEAR, but I can't complain to loudly about the set. Won't be long now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on November 05, 2016, 10:06:03 PM
At one of the Canadian shows, they did almost the whole first side of Misplaced Childhood for an encore. That would've been impressive to see.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on November 07, 2016, 06:52:05 AM
Just saw them in Philly.

WOW.

[SPOILER ALERT]
Full disclosure, I'm a Fish guy (got into Marillion with the original release of Misplaced Childhood; Clutching is one of my five favorite records of all time by any band), but I saw them on the Seasons... and Holidays... tour, loved it, and thing everything up through Afraid... is excellent (except Holidays...) and love Marbles; not 1000% convinced on the material since Marbles. 

Hogarth was in EXCELLENT voice.  This was the third night of three in a row, and yet his voice only cracked once, and in the end (during Easter).  Sometimes he can wear thin with me (he's a little judgmental, in my opinion, and in a sanctimonious way) but I do like when he gets personal.

The setlist, while not my favorite Marillion songs, fit BEAUTIFULLY.  I think Rothery made it, because about every song had a blazing guitar solo, and he was generally on fire.  If you stuck a broom up H's ass, he would have swept the stage, because he sure as heck did everything else; played more guitar than I have ever seen (even in videos), played keys on easily half of the songs (Mark Kelly did ok, but it wasn't like watching Rick Wakeman, that's for damn sure). 

Not shy to admit I was standing there (against the wall, about 20 rows back) and during the end of Neverland, I had tears running down my face, only the second time ever in a concert (and I've seen about 400 shows; the other was "Yesterday", by McCartney in 2012).

The new stuff fit seamlessly; it was really good compared to the rest of the set.  Really great ending, with "Three Minute Boy" (not my favorite song by a long shot) but H led the crowd in a really neat singalong at the end; it wasn't a loud chant, it was more like a low buzz, and it was neat; something I've never seen before.

I drove four hours in the morning, and four more after the show (getting home at about 3:30 am) and it was all worth it.  Really good show.   Highlight for me was clearly King, Neverland, and Sugar Mice (which I've never seen live, though H kept sticking the mic into the crowd for the crowd to sing, which I hate hate hate), but all in all great.

Sidebar: I parked literally right next to the bus, and followed Mark to the venue about 6:30 or so, and (politely, I think) stopped and shook his hand (though he was befuddled; I think he thought I was claiming to know him, and I wasn't; I just said "thank you".)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on November 07, 2016, 10:40:06 AM
Nice man, they were surely in top form when I saw them as well. H has developed into an outstanding frontman, he had thee crowd in the palm of his hands beginning to end.

King was fucking brilliant, Otherwise, my faves were Invisible Man and El Dorado (god they hit that one out of the park).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on November 07, 2016, 11:15:46 AM
H is a good front man, actually very good (his voice is really deceptively strong and versatile) but there's something about him.  It's not pretention, per se, but he's got a crankiness that isn't quite as endearing as some of the other cranky singers we can name (his predecessor for one). 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on November 07, 2016, 03:07:50 PM
H is a good front man, actually very good (his voice is really deceptively strong and versatile) but there's something about him.  It's not pretention, per se, but he's got a crankiness that isn't quite as endearing as some of the other cranky singers we can name (his predecessor for one).

I think H has always somewhat resented the fact that Marillion never reached the same heights commercially as they did with Fish.  In seeing how much he rails against the idea of the rich, decadent rock star in a lot of their music, I think it was motivated at least in part by a little bit of jealousy.  Not an all consuming thing, mind you, but just enough that he can then rage against it with some sense of legitmacy, if that makes sense.  I also think that makes him a great frontman.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 08, 2016, 01:17:47 AM
Well, its hard to compete with the big personality that Fish was/is.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on November 08, 2016, 05:52:01 AM
NYC TONIGHT! ELECTION NIGHT IN THE CITY WITH MARILLION!!! :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on November 08, 2016, 07:00:48 AM
After well over 30 years in the business, and if life were fair, Marillion should be frequently mentioned in the company of The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and Pink Floyd as one of the greatest bands my country has produced.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on November 08, 2016, 09:06:44 AM
No offense, as I've said, Marillion fan from way back, but life IS fair.  It's the way it should be.   As good a song as it is, seventeen minute bitter diatribes about those who have more money than us are a limited avenue, and six minute bitter diatribes about people who do get the hit song, a song we pretentiously "almost remember" are hard not to take as sour grapes.   Honestly, the music that is popular is the music that SHOULD be popular.   Look, their music REALLY works for me - I cried like a baby watching H perform "Neverland" because it SO hit a nerve with me in my life when it came out - but it's not for everyone, and that's okay.  It's almost better that way.   

As for success in general, Kayleigh almost destroyed that band.  I can certainly get that resentment - H seems to have a better business head than Fish; how many "cunning plans" have there been now?  15?  16? And he still didn't have the foresight apparently to make sure he had all the masters to his solo albums in usable form - but he ought to be careful it doesn't turn into a one-note party. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 14, 2016, 04:53:11 PM
No offense, as I've said, Marillion fan from way back, but life IS fair.  It's the way it should be.   As good a song as it is, seventeen minute bitter diatribes about those who have more money than us are a limited avenue, and six minute bitter diatribes about people who do get the hit song, a song we pretentiously "almost remember" are hard not to take as sour grapes.   Honestly, the music that is popular is the music that SHOULD be popular.   Look, their music REALLY works for me - I cried like a baby watching H perform "Neverland" because it SO hit a nerve with me in my life when it came out - but it's not for everyone, and that's okay.  It's almost better that way.   

As for success in general, Kayleigh almost destroyed that band.  I can certainly get that resentment - H seems to have a better business head than Fish; how many "cunning plans" have there been now?  15?  16? And he still didn't have the foresight apparently to make sure he had all the masters to his solo albums in usable form - but he ought to be careful it doesn't turn into a one-note party.

I was in tears more times at the Philly show than I was during the Rush Doc (no comparison really) Neverland was one of the few songs that didn't get me. It just seemed "off" (except for Rothery.) Probably been spoiled by a handful of other performances I've witnessed (October 2004 in Philly probably being the best of those.) That was, I think, the best version of King I've ever heard in my life. 

As for Hogarth, I've always said I'd be happy never to hear him sing another Fish song ever again, but hearing the band run through Sugar Mice was so flat out amazing that him singing it didn't bother me (I may have just ignored him.)

Hogarth still has that side to him I'm not thrilled with, but he's really mellowed nicely over the years.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on November 15, 2016, 05:51:38 AM
Finally picked up F.E.A.R today. Will report back once I've listened.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on November 18, 2016, 01:25:09 PM
I'm on my third listen now, and the hype/praise is justified! I hear elements of both Goodbye to All That and The Invisible Man in El Dorado. Living in FEAR is definitely my favourite song atm. And it's strange how this album, despite still being 68 minutes (only 6 mins shorter than Sounds That Can't Be Made), doesn't outstay its welcome unlike that one. (Nice songs on STCBM, but a mentally exhausting listen for some reason.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 26, 2016, 08:45:48 AM
Easily a Top 5 Hogarth Marillion album for me.
 
Hearing much of it live was a transformational experience.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on December 01, 2016, 02:03:45 AM
Surprised no one's mentioned this yet. Yesterday Marillion announced a gig at the legendary Royal Albert Hall, on Friday 13th October 2017. Easily set to be one of the prog events of the year.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Fritzinger on December 01, 2016, 05:38:09 AM
Next week Marillion will be playing in Utrecht, the place where I currently live. I couldn't get a ticket but I will go there and try to get one anyway.
Do you guys know if it's possible to meet the guys before or after the show?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on December 01, 2016, 08:00:48 AM
Next week Marillion will be playing in Utrecht, the place where I currently live. I couldn't get a ticket but I will go there and try to get one anyway.
Do you guys know if it's possible to meet the guys before or after the show?

No idea, but before the Philly show, I parked in the parking lot behind the venue, and was literally right next to the bus.  As I'm walking down to the bar across the street to meet a friend, Mark Kelly was about 25 feet in front of me with two women.  As we rounded the corner of the building onto the sidewalk he stopped to chat with a guy at a table at a restaurant that was open to the street.   I politely leaned in and said "Thank you" and offered my hand.  He shook it with a confused look on his face, and I said "I'll be watching you play in about 2 hours, didn't mean to bother you."   He smiled and went back to talking.

I don't know the Utrecht venue, but the places they played in the States are not stadia.   It's not too hard if you know the layout of the place and the schedule.   I would have waited after the show (I'm not shitting you; my car door was literally 15 feet from the bus door) but I had a 3 and a half hour drive back home and it was already 11:30 at night.   My days of standing in parking lots to get CD covers signed are, I think, fading.  :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on December 02, 2016, 12:44:51 AM
Yeah, I have like, zero interest in meeting artist before or, even, after a show they play. Having performed myself I can imagine people coming up to you before a show might be the last thing you want. Although, a lot of performers these days are very relaxed about it, like the guys of Dream Theater. The reason for me is that it tends to be a pretty awkward experience. I happen to shake the singer of Fishbone, Angelo Moore's hand right before a show once, but that was because he was standing right next to me at the bar and I couldn't really ignore him. I remember meeting some of the members of an all time favourite band of mine, Psychotic Waltz, after a reunion show in Amsterdam. The vocalist, Devon Graves and guitarist Dan Rock were as cool as I expected, but when I tried to talk to their drummer Norm Leggio later on outside he had more attention for his phone and he was on about how much homesick he was and couldn't wait to get back home. I once shared a look and a nod with Ray Alder during a show he played with Fates and he was sort of having a relax moment at the side of the stage during a long instrumental part. That was cool. Even people I know that are fine with it, like the members of Stream of Passion or bands like that in the Netherlands, I hate bothering them after a show. The only exception is Arjen Lucassen (Ayreon) who pretty much talks to anyone. He even came up to talk to me once after a gig of SOP and I couldn't really send him away, now could I?   ;D
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Fritzinger on December 02, 2016, 01:30:36 AM
I believe the guys from DT are now relaxed about it because they make 200 bucks off each person they shake hands with for 4 seconds...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on December 02, 2016, 03:50:53 AM
Marillion are really nice guys, not at all rock-star-ish, and will happily stop to chat to you UNLESS they are busy doing something else. Hang around after the show or at sound-check time.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on December 02, 2016, 09:47:59 AM
I met Robin Zander like that at Toad's Place.  He was having a drink and a cigarette at the bar before the show (glasses and the cowboy hat he often wears).    It's a small place, but I don't know why no one else noticed him.  I just sat down next to him with my friend, and we both minded our own bidniz.  As he finished his drink/cig and started to go, I turned and said "Knock em out, Robin.  You're the man" or some horseshit like that, and he smiled, and put his hand on my shoulder and went off to work. Very casual.

As for Marillion, another Toad's story (and relevant to the "doing other things...").  I had just watched the Seasons... tour show (H killed it), was hanging for a few beers (Toad's is a bar as well as club), and when the line died down a little, I went to the down stairs bathroom to pee.   I hung the fire hose and notice Mark Kelly to my left, and Ian Mosley to my right, doing the same thing, just staring straight ahead.  I felt it appropriate to not say a word and CERTAINLY not offer to shake hands.  They zipped up, turned and left, and while I didn't talk to them, I do have a decent story.  :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on December 03, 2016, 07:55:12 AM
I met Robin Zander like that at Toad's Place.  He was having a drink and a cigarette at the bar before the show (glasses and the cowboy hat he often wears).    It's a small place, but I don't know why no one else noticed him.  I just sat down next to him with my friend, and we both minded our own bidniz.  As he finished his drink/cig and started to go, I turned and said "Knock em out, Robin.  You're the man" or some horseshit like that, and he smiled, and put his hand on my shoulder and went off to work. Very casual.

As for Marillion, another Toad's story (and relevant to the "doing other things...").  I had just watched the Seasons... tour show (H killed it), was hanging for a few beers (Toad's is a bar as well as club), and when the line died down a little, I went to the down stairs bathroom to pee.   I hung the fire hose and notice Mark Kelly to my left, and Ian Mosley to my right, doing the same thing, just staring straight ahead.  I felt it appropriate to not say a word and CERTAINLY not offer to shake hands.  They zipped up, turned and left, and while I didn't talk to them, I do have a decent story.  :)

Hope they washed their hands...  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 29, 2016, 05:44:46 PM
Fish has been known to hang at the bar before his shows. Not sure if he still does.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on December 30, 2016, 09:10:43 AM
He did in Philly on the 13th Star tour, though he switched places.  He was at one place for dinner and drinks, then went to another to sign stuff (though he was kind of a dick) then went back to the venue.  All this was within three blocks, but still. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 07, 2017, 06:58:29 PM
He did in Philly on the 13th Star tour, though he switched places.  He was at one place for dinner and drinks, then went to another to sign stuff (though he was kind of a dick) then went back to the venue.  All this was within three blocks, but still.

That was the last time I saw him. I remember him at the bar. He switched because he didn't want the venue taking a major cut of his merch.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 09, 2017, 05:46:56 AM
Where did you go? I didn't bother with the bar on South (Manny Brown's); I was with my wife and daughter so I went and hung at the Irish Times (I knew the owner a little bit).    I know it was a thing with the VENUE, but I don't know why he switched bars.  If I remember right, not all (or even any) of the merch actually showed up at the Times.  He was kind of in a foul mood, and I figured that was why.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 13, 2017, 04:38:44 PM
Where did you go? I didn't bother with the bar on South (Manny Brown's); I was with my wife and daughter so I went and hung at the Irish Times (I knew the owner a little bit).    I know it was a thing with the VENUE, but I don't know why he switched bars.  If I remember right, not all (or even any) of the merch actually showed up at the Times.  He was kind of in a foul mood, and I figured that was why.

I went wherever the merch was because I thought about getting a shirt. We got a photo with him.

I have no idea why he left though, maybe he didn't like his drink?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jasc15 on March 08, 2017, 07:48:47 PM
I knew there was a marillion thread around here somewhere.  There is a science and engineering podcast I listen to, and it turns out the guy is a marillion fan.  He did a podcast with their producer, Mike Hunter, talking about music production from a mostly technical point of view.  Marillion is not the focus, but uses them as example of various production techniques.  Hope you enjoy.

https://omegataupodcast.net/10-marillion-music-production/
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 02, 2017, 08:30:14 AM
It looks like Warner is going through the Marillion catalog and sprucing it up.

First up is Misplaced Childhood with a 4CD, 1 Blu Ray pack. 5.1 audio mixed by Steven Wilson.


https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/misplaced-deluxeCD.htm


Quote
This is the CD/Bluray version of a brand new (2017) Stereo & 5.1 Remaster of Marillion's 1985 album Misplaced Childhood.
 
Disc one features the complete remastered album. Discs two and three contain a live concert recorded Live at the Muziekcentrum Vredenburg in the city of Utrecht in October 1985. The performance includes the entire Misplaced Childhood album along with several songs from the band’s earlier albums, like “Script For A Jester’s Tear” and “Fugazi.” All of the live recordings are previously unreleased except for “Chelsea Monday,” which was the B-side to “Heart Of Lothian” (The full concert is included with the MISPLACED CHILDHOOD (DELUXE EDITION) LP set).
 
The BluRay disc contains an hour-long documentary about the album and promo videos for album singles “Lavender”, “Kayleigh”, “Lady Nina” and “Heart Of Lothian.” Also featured is the original album remixed by Steven Wilson in 5.1 Surround Sound and the 2017 Remaster in high resolution 96kHz 24 bit. Rounding out the disc are Wilson’s Surround Sound and Stereo remixes of “Lady Nina,” the B-side to “Kayleigh.”
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 02, 2017, 08:46:29 AM
 :omg:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on May 02, 2017, 09:53:07 AM
:omg:

:panicattack:

And don't forget about these Fish remasters.

https://shop.fishheads.club/product-category/t-shirt-promo/
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 02, 2017, 10:06:40 AM
:omg:

:panicattack:

And don't forget about these Fish remasters.

https://shop.fishheads.club/product-category/t-shirt-promo/

I really want those but man.... I think I'd be up to $150 for the remasters currently being sold :(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on May 02, 2017, 10:22:16 AM
Tell me about it. It's just not fair. :lol Do they expect us to sell blood and sperm?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 02, 2017, 11:16:36 AM
Tell me about it. It's just not fair. :lol Do they expect us to sell blood and sperm?


LOL

Apparently Steven Wilson has said somewhere recently he's working on the Brave 5.1 mix now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on May 02, 2017, 11:39:08 AM
Damn. That's a great album BUT I would much rather hear him do Marbles. I'd love to hear his treatment of Ocean Cloud and Neverland.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on May 02, 2017, 12:38:39 PM
Tell me about it. It's just not fair. :lol Do they expect us to sell blood and sperm?

We should cut out the middle man and just send it to them.   "Brave 5.1 mix!  Only 3 cc of either blood or sperm!"
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 02, 2017, 01:01:57 PM
Damn. That's a great album BUT I would much rather hear him do Marbles. I'd love to hear his treatment of Ocean Cloud and Neverland.

Yeah, I honestly figured they would have worked chronologically on this. I'd love to hear a remaster of CAS!

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on May 02, 2017, 08:25:19 PM
Tell me about it. It's just not fair. :lol Do they expect us to sell blood and sperm?

We should cut out the middle man and just send it to them.   "Brave 5.1 mix!  Only 3 cc of either blood or sperm!"

Peter Steele already beat us to it. He signed his record contract with a mixture of his blood and semen.

Damn. That's a great album BUT I would much rather hear him do Marbles. I'd love to hear his treatment of Ocean Cloud and Neverland.

Yeah, I honestly figured they would have worked chronologically on this. I'd love to hear a remaster of CAS!



I guess the band is picking their favorites or maybe albums they think need it most.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 03, 2017, 07:07:16 AM
How about the best Marillion album? (Afraid of Sunlight)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 03, 2017, 07:32:35 AM
How about the best Marillion album? (Afraid of Sunlight)

This was my first Marillion album. I still dig it a whole bunch but I wouldn't say it's my favorite.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on May 03, 2017, 07:44:20 AM
Clutching at Straws, of course.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mister Gold on May 03, 2017, 08:10:47 AM
Clutching at Straws, of course.

Such a great album. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 03, 2017, 08:20:56 AM
CAS gives me chills every time I listen.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on May 03, 2017, 08:44:30 AM
Tell me about it. It's just not fair. :lol Do they expect us to sell blood and sperm?

We should cut out the middle man and just send it to them.   "Brave 5.1 mix!  Only 3 cc of either blood or sperm!"

Peter Steele already beat us to it. He signed his record contract with a mixture of his blood and semen.

Cut to the scene where the VP says to his receptionist, "Dear, can you make us four copies of this, please?" and her walking out holding the very corner between thumb and index finger. 

I can see the blood, but do I want to know how you get the semen to hand in the board room to sign the document??
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on May 03, 2017, 08:45:14 AM
CAS gives me chills every time I listen.

I'm with you on that.  And I've heard that album easily hundreds of times, and I STILL get lost in it.    Amazing stuff. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 03, 2017, 10:31:11 AM
https://www.amazon.com/Misplaced-Childhood-Explicit-Deluxe-Blu-Ray/dp/B071YS3XYV/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1493829038&sr=8-1&keywords=marillion+misplaced+childhood+deluxe

Here's Misplaced Childhood Deluxe up on Amazon for preorder.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 03, 2017, 01:13:37 PM
FWIW it's about $36 with shipping to order direct from Marillion.com ... though I think the price on Amazon will come down to something sensible eventually.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HolidaysAnoraks on May 03, 2017, 04:00:29 PM
The copied from Fish's store are signed:

https://shop.fishheads.club/product/misplaced-childhood-deluxe-cdbluray-version/

Has anyone here ordered from his site before? I'm considering it (his is one of the few Marillion related autographs I lack), but I was just wondering how prompt they are about shipping, etc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on May 03, 2017, 06:30:47 PM
The copied from Fish's store are signed:

https://shop.fishheads.club/product/misplaced-childhood-deluxe-cdbluray-version/

Has anyone here ordered from his site before? I'm considering it (his is one of the few Marillion related autographs I lack), but I was just wondering how prompt they are about shipping, etc.

I did once for Feast of Consequences, but that was a pre order. The album showed up a bit after the release date, considering international shipping it wasn't too bad.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on May 03, 2017, 07:57:40 PM
FWIW it's about $36 with shipping to order direct from Marillion.com ... though I think the price on Amazon will come down to something sensible eventually.

I always go to Amazon and I'll ever check the prices at Discogs.com - my new favorite site for music.

Tell me about it. It's just not fair. :lol Do they expect us to sell blood and sperm?

We should cut out the middle man and just send it to them.   "Brave 5.1 mix!  Only 3 cc of either blood or sperm!"

Peter Steele already beat us to it. He signed his record contract with a mixture of his blood and semen.

Cut to the scene where the VP says to his receptionist, "Dear, can you make us four copies of this, please?" and her walking out holding the very corner between thumb and index finger. 

I can see the blood, but do I want to know how you get the semen to hand in the board room to sign the document??

He probably had some in a vial or whatever. This is Peter Steele (RIP) we're talking about.  ;)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 04, 2017, 06:21:20 AM
The first 1000 MC preorders from marillion.com come signed by the 4 members in the band at the time.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on May 04, 2017, 10:01:37 AM
4?..

my MC Vinyl has the 4 but missing Fish, and the odds of seeing him live are basically 0, so I may never have the missing 5th member of the band sign mine.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 04, 2017, 10:11:42 AM
4?..

my MC Vinyl has the 4 but missing Fish, and the odds of seeing him live are basically 0, so I may never have the missing 5th member of the band sign mine.

Yeah, why would H sign it?

So it's got the other guys.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on May 04, 2017, 10:12:45 AM
4?..

my MC Vinyl has the 4 but missing Fish, and the odds of seeing him live are basically 0, so I may never have the missing 5th member of the band sign mine.

As I understand it, you buy it from Fishheads club (Fish's shop), and he will sign it.  You buy it from Racket Records (Marillion.com), Rothery, Kelly, Mosley and Trewavas will sign it.

I already have a "13th Star" signed by Fish, so I preordered from Marillion.com.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on May 04, 2017, 10:13:20 AM
4?..

my MC Vinyl has the 4 but missing Fish, and the odds of seeing him live are basically 0, so I may never have the missing 5th member of the band sign mine.

Yeah, why would H sign it?

So it's got the other guys.

That would be pretty funny, though. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 04, 2017, 10:22:08 AM
4?..

my MC Vinyl has the 4 but missing Fish, and the odds of seeing him live are basically 0, so I may never have the missing 5th member of the band sign mine.

Yeah, why would H sign it?

So it's got the other guys.

That would be pretty funny, though.

I mean.. I think I've seen Rudess and Mangini sign CDs/posters, etc from albums they weren't on. They're just being good sports about it.  I can see it going both ways... he's been singing those songs more frequently than Fish has since it came out I imagine... so I wouldn't *MIND* if H signed it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on May 05, 2017, 10:36:31 AM
4?..

my MC Vinyl has the 4 but missing Fish, and the odds of seeing him live are basically 0, so I may never have the missing 5th member of the band sign mine.

Yeah, why would H sign it?

So it's got the other guys.

That would be pretty funny, though.

I mean.. I think I've seen Rudess and Mangini sign CDs/posters, etc from albums they weren't on. They're just being good sports about it.  I can see it going both ways... he's been singing those songs more frequently than Fish has since it came out I imagine... so I wouldn't *MIND* if H signed it.

There's a video on Youtube where H went for coffee at someone's cabin during a Marillion Weekend in Port Zelande one year, where he mentions about signing stuff from the Fish era that he wasn't involved with.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 13, 2017, 06:06:53 PM
Ordering from Fish.

Already have a few copies of this signed by him but this will likely be the last time I'll ever buy this album (unless I order it from Marillion too.) I've got most of what's here already, but I'm a sucker for Fish writing the story about this album again. 

My guess is this is the only album that gets this over-the-top treatment. Wouldn't mind the rest of the Fish era released like this, but I just don't see it happening unless there are record sales.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on May 13, 2017, 11:09:18 PM
Preordered from Fish..... fantastic album... signed by my teensge idol
Seeing this live back in the day only cemented  my total adoration of Fish.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 28, 2017, 07:34:01 PM
Preordered from Fish..... fantastic album... signed by my teensge idol
Seeing this live back in the day only cemented  my total adoration of Fish.

I did too although I'm thinking of getting one from Marillion too.

What really excites me is the live stuff and the art and liners. I don't really expect this to sound any better than any versions I already have.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 19, 2017, 08:23:03 PM
My Misplaced Childhood deluxe set made it all the way to Texas from Racket Records in record time, signed by 4 of the members. The set is GORGEOUS and I can't wait to listen to it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on July 20, 2017, 03:35:38 AM
My Misplaced Childhood deluxe set made it all the way to Texas from Racket Records in record time, signed by 4 of the members. The set is GORGEOUS and I can't wait to listen to it tomorrow.

Haven't got mine yet from Fish... hope it arrives soon
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 20, 2017, 06:36:31 AM
My Misplaced Childhood deluxe set made it all the way to Texas from Racket Records in record time, signed by 4 of the members. The set is GORGEOUS and I can't wait to listen to it tomorrow.

Nice little surprise in my mailbox as well!  (Though I have to say; the packaging was a little to be desired.  The set itself is BEAUTIFUL, but mine came with slightly rounded corners.  Doesn't matter to me, because I'm not turning it on eBay immediately, but I can imagine someone being put out by that.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 20, 2017, 07:23:27 AM
My Misplaced Childhood deluxe set made it all the way to Texas from Racket Records in record time, signed by 4 of the members. The set is GORGEOUS and I can't wait to listen to it tomorrow.

Nice little surprise in my mailbox as well!  (Though I have to say; the packaging was a little to be desired.  The set itself is BEAUTIFUL, but mine came with slightly rounded corners.  Doesn't matter to me, because I'm not turning it on eBay immediately, but I can imagine someone being put out by that.)

I don't think mine had rounded corners, I'll have to look but mine was wrapped in cardboard and then in the mailing bag. I was concerned it was beat up until I saw the cardboard.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 21, 2017, 03:07:25 PM
Listening to this now on Amazon Music.  It sounds really good. I bet it'll sound even better with a higher bitrate encoding or right off the CD.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 22, 2017, 10:50:55 AM
The one I ordered from Marillion shipped. No word on the one from Fish yet.

First order of business will be to dig into that live show and read the liner notes.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 26, 2017, 06:28:35 PM
The one I ordered from Marillion shipped. No word on the one from Fish yet.

First order of business will be to dig into that live show and read the liner notes.

The one from Racket is here, the one from Fish is still MIA.

Planned to wait until the weekend to tear into this, but after reading the liner notes and staring at it for a while I had to listen to the concert (which I discovered I had on vinyl, but haven't listened to it in YEARS.) So much for trying to take it slow.

There's a lot of redundancies here from the 1998 reissue, but the package is much nicer. I'm sure the documentary will be really cool. Most of the rest of the stuff I have in various other places but I've never had my favorite album of all-time done up quite like this so its really cool. Don't expect to be blown away by the remaster itself, but that's not why I doubled down on this one. Great job with the art and liner notes  Need to find a special place for these.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gazinwales on August 01, 2017, 01:49:01 PM
Mine arrived yesterday, had a quick look and listen.
The package itself is very nice, except the way the discs are held, very flimsy to say the least.
Had a quick flick through the booklet, saw the band pic, looked at it three times before I realised that the fat guy with the beard was Fish.
Haven't followed him for many years, or seen any recent pics of him until this release.

The BR disc is great, 5.1 sound really good and you can hear everything in the mix.
Watched almost all the doco, pretty interesting, with all the band and producer reminiscing about the recording and playback of nearly all the album.
They look like they all get on, and I sat there thinking could they, maybe, er nah they never will...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Samsara on August 01, 2017, 02:05:57 PM
You know, it's funny. I've heard of Marillion since the start of my prog rock/hard rock fandom 30 years ago. But I never bothered to check them out. I heard of Misplaced Childhood, Clutching at Straws, Marbles, etc., and really just never bothered to check them out.

Then late last week, a friend was listening to the new Misplaced Childhood set, and after all these years, I sat down and listened to the record. What an incredible work. I went to Amazon and ordered the deluxe edition this afternoon. I am really looking forward to immersing myself in it a bit more. I seriously come to Marillion with NO expectations. Never listened to a track before, except for last week's one listen to Misplaced Childhood.

I am looking forward to getting the set.

I was told that after Misplaced Childhood to go to Clutching at Straws. Which I will do in time...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on August 01, 2017, 02:08:23 PM
CAS might be my favorite Fish era.  Apparently that ones getting the Deluxe treatment as well.  One of the 'official' Marillion folk on a facebook group I'm on said several of the albums released on EMI are getting the deluxe treatment by 2020.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: sfam2112 on August 01, 2017, 02:14:05 PM
Clutching At Straws is probably my favorite Marillion album. :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on August 01, 2017, 02:33:19 PM
Got my package from Scotland today.... have seen the documentary and loved it. Loved seeing them all together again after all those years.
Interresting discussions going on  in the studio.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: njfirefighter on August 01, 2017, 02:59:14 PM
Clutching At Straws is probably my favorite Marillion album. :)

Clutching at Straws, Misplaced Childhood and Script for a Jester's tear for me. I'm definitely more of a Fish era fan. I've tried a few compilations that had both Fish and Hogarth era material on them and gave Marbles, Season's End and a live dvd a chance, I just can't get into the post Fish stuff all that much unfortunately.

What Hogarth material would people here steer me too as being THE BEST of material to check out of his with the band?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on August 01, 2017, 03:04:31 PM

What Hogarth material would people here steer me too as being THE BEST of material to check out of his with the band?

For me Season's End and Marbles (the 2 cd set with Ocean Cloud) is where the good H era stuff is.  A lot of others may say Brave but it hasn't clicked for me.

Season's End if I recall a lot of the ideas were already in motion when Fish left.. so it still works for me in a lot of ways.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gazinwales on August 01, 2017, 03:55:32 PM
The H era stuff is either very good or average to say the least.
Very hit and miss for me, Seasons End, Brave, Afraid of Sunlight and Marbles are the ones that come to mind immediately.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on August 01, 2017, 03:59:08 PM
Season's End if I recall a lot of the ideas were already in motion when Fish left.. so it still works for me in a lot of ways.

Yes Season's End has music written while Fish was still in the band and so does Holidays in Eden if I am not mistaken.

Lyrics that Fish wrote while still in the band ended up on his first Soloalbums. Vigil in a Vilderness of Mirrors and also Internal Exile I think. Both great records....

Love Season's End and how Hogarth took the bull by the horn in The Uninvited Guest. Can't have been easy replacing Fish.

Holidays in Eden was quite alright but after that I have more or less given up on Marillion. Have tried with one album here and one there but nothing gets my attention unfortunately.

I was such a Marillion Freak during the Fish years.... well those albums are still as good.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: sfam2112 on August 01, 2017, 10:11:15 PM
Seasons End, Brave, Afraid of Sunlight and Marbles are the ones that come to mind immediately.

This. I would also throw in This Strange Engine for the title track, at least. :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gazinwales on August 02, 2017, 12:50:41 AM
I agree the title track is one of their best, but the rest of the album has some real duds.
I actually prefer the remix album with The Positive Light, 'Tales From The Engine Room', it breathes new life into the material.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 02, 2017, 07:22:59 AM
You know, it's funny. I've heard of Marillion since the start of my prog rock/hard rock fandom 30 years ago. But I never bothered to check them out. I heard of Misplaced Childhood, Clutching at Straws, Marbles, etc., and really just never bothered to check them out.

Then late last week, a friend was listening to the new Misplaced Childhood set, and after all these years, I sat down and listened to the record. What an incredible work. I went to Amazon and ordered the deluxe edition this afternoon. I am really looking forward to immersing myself in it a bit more. I seriously come to Marillion with NO expectations. Never listened to a track before, except for last week's one listen to Misplaced Childhood.

I am looking forward to getting the set.

I was told that after Misplaced Childhood to go to Clutching at Straws. Which I will do in time...
GO CHRONOLOGICAL.

At least with the H stuff, GO CHRONOLOGICAL.   It makes a lot more sense, as most of their albums seem to be a reaction to the one before. 

I don't know if I mentioned it or not, but GO CHRONOLOGICAL.   

Chronological.

FYI, Clutching... is in my top five albums ever by any band, ever.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 02, 2017, 07:27:25 AM

What Hogarth material would people here steer me too as being THE BEST of material to check out of his with the band?

For me Season's End and Marbles (the 2 cd set with Ocean Cloud) is where the good H era stuff is.  A lot of others may say Brave but it hasn't clicked for me.

Season's End if I recall a lot of the ideas were already in motion when Fish left.. so it still works for me in a lot of ways.

Marbles is great, but you don't have to trip over yourself to get the 2CD version.  Ocean Cloud seems to get a lot of love because it's longer than 10 minutes, but in my opinion it's not even top three songs on the album.

For me, the H era:

Season's End
Brave/Afraid of Sunlight
Marbles
Anoraknophobia
Radiation
F.E.A.R.
Sounds That Can't Be Made
.com


Holidays has some moments
This Strange Engine was so bad I stopped listening to Marillion until I felt I had to give Marbles a try
Somewhere Else is... well, somewhere else
Happiness... seems like a missed opportunity to me

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Samsara on August 02, 2017, 09:06:38 AM
You know, it's funny. I've heard of Marillion since the start of my prog rock/hard rock fandom 30 years ago. But I never bothered to check them out. I heard of Misplaced Childhood, Clutching at Straws, Marbles, etc., and really just never bothered to check them out.

Then late last week, a friend was listening to the new Misplaced Childhood set, and after all these years, I sat down and listened to the record. What an incredible work. I went to Amazon and ordered the deluxe edition this afternoon. I am really looking forward to immersing myself in it a bit more. I seriously come to Marillion with NO expectations. Never listened to a track before, except for last week's one listen to Misplaced Childhood.

I am looking forward to getting the set.

I was told that after Misplaced Childhood to go to Clutching at Straws. Which I will do in time...
GO CHRONOLOGICAL.

At least with the H stuff, GO CHRONOLOGICAL.   It makes a lot more sense, as most of their albums seem to be a reaction to the one before. 

I don't know if I mentioned it or not, but GO CHRONOLOGICAL.   

Chronological.

FYI, Clutching... is in my top five albums ever by any band, ever.

 :lol

So you're saying I should go in order with the H era?   ;)

I will...IF I go down that rabbit hole. I'm going to enjoy the Misplaced Childhood set, and then see if they are going to do a similar treatment for Clutching at Straws, and ultimately pick that up. After that, however, will depend on just how much I enjoy MC and CaS and want to invest in the rest of the catalog.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: twosuitsluke on August 02, 2017, 09:13:12 AM
I'm not really a fan of Marillion but I'm going to a festival with my Dad next weekend and they're actually playing. The festival is called Cropredy Festival and it's in the UK (anyone else going?). It's predominantly a folk rock festival but, by the looks of previous lineups, they often have prog rock bands playing. I'll report back after seeing them.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 02, 2017, 09:36:39 AM
They SLAY live.   Even when the material isn't great, they kill it.   I've seen them... four times now (which is something of a trick for someone in the States) and they've all been great.

Last time I saw them - this most recent tour - I was with a friend and his girlfriend.  We had seats, but I stood up off to the side (I knew the setlist before hand) and during "Neverland" I just cried like a baby.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: njfirefighter on August 02, 2017, 04:26:06 PM
Thanks for the info guys. It sounds like I've already given the biggest recommendations above a chance. So there seems no point to continue further, but I'll go back and give those few that I have in my collection from the Hogarth era another spin.

I never managed to catch them live either, doesn't seem like they hit the US all that often. Their recent tour, which they did do a Philly area date I skipped purposefully as I didn't have much desire in seeing the Hogarth lineup.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on August 03, 2017, 05:34:43 AM
It's a shame really that, for some people, H still hasn't shaken off the "Fish replacement" tag, after 30 years and 13 studio albums with the band. The Fish era of the band is quite small now, and will only get more and more miniscule with each subsequent album. Thankfully, they're in the minority.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 03, 2017, 07:13:45 AM
Thanks for the info guys. It sounds like I've already given the biggest recommendations above a chance. So there seems no point to continue further, but I'll go back and give those few that I have in my collection from the Hogarth era another spin.

I never managed to catch them live either, doesn't seem like they hit the US all that often. Their recent tour, which they did do a Philly area date I skipped purposefully as I didn't have much desire in seeing the Hogarth lineup.

I RARELY say this, as I am not at all a fan of "turning on" other people to music - you either like it or you don't - but it's amazing enough that it transcends:   there are some things that, as a music fan, you have to see.   In my opinion, you have to see "Rock and Roll All Nite" by Kiss, in an arena, at least once.   You have to see Bruce, just once.  You have to see Paul singing "Hey Jude" in person just once.

For my money, you have to see Hogarth performing "Neverland" live, just once.  It is transformative. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on August 03, 2017, 02:20:00 PM
Marbles 3xLP with new art (and the full goddamn album!) is now up for preorder at Burning Shed. Comes out August 18. Instabuy!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on August 03, 2017, 09:48:28 PM
damn, I want that. Makes me pissed for buying the 1st pressing.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on August 04, 2017, 07:34:17 AM
damn, I want that. Makes me pissed for buying the 1st pressing.

Right? I just bought the "original" LP pressing a couple months ago online .. got it cheap (or I felt it was cheap for 2 LPs)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 04, 2017, 08:03:39 PM
It's a shame really that, for some people, H still hasn't shaken off the "Fish replacement" tag, after 30 years and 13 studio albums with the band. The Fish era of the band is quite small now, and will only get more and more miniscule with each subsequent album. Thankfully, they're in the minority.

Not a replacement at all. Apples and oranges.

Those Fish albums did the most commercial damage and had a much higher profile --  though the music industry is a much different thing than it was then.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on August 14, 2017, 05:09:23 AM
I've had B'Sides Themselves for over a year, but it's only recently that Lady Nina has clicked with me. I love that song! But I'm wondering if Lady Nina and Freaks were initially written as part of the Misplaced Childhood concept.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 15, 2017, 06:04:57 AM
Can't speak definitively for Freaks, but Lady Nina was NOT.    LN was written in conjunction with Ian's experimentation with a different drum sound (the electronic drums you can hear on the recording) but it's my understanding that it wasn't part of the MC concept.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gazinwales on August 15, 2017, 02:56:16 PM
There are details about Freaks and Lady Nina on the BR disc and in the booklet of the MC deluxe box.
Basically Nina was knocked out quickly with drum machine and is about a prostitute and Freaks about the Marillion fans.
Neither songs fit in either musically or lyrically with the rest of the MC album and thus were never considered to be part of the album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Fritzinger on August 17, 2017, 02:30:54 AM
Not sure if this has been posted here, but HAPPINESS IS THE ROAD will also be released on vinyl soon!
Here's what my burning shed mail said:

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Marillion

Happiness Is The Road - Essence / The Hard Shoulder (double vinyl pre-orders)


Happiness Is The Road, Marillion’s two volume album from 2008, given a 2017 Madfish label reissue as two separate double LP sets.

The two volumes comprise The Hard Shoulder - which presents a riff-laden, harder Rock approach - and Essence - a melancholic and atmospheric concept album - which features Marillion at its most innovative.

These versions of Essence and The Hard Shoulder are presented as double 180g vinyl editiosn packaged in a lavish gatefold covers. The Hard Shoulder features two bonus live tracks on its fourth vinyl side.

Pre-order for 6th October release.

BTW, am I the only one here who LOVES HITR? I feel like it has been bashed a lot bc it's not really proggy but I think it has some brilliant songs and I like the overall atmosphere.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 19, 2017, 08:56:15 AM
There are details about Freaks and Lady Nina on the BR disc and in the booklet of the MC deluxe box.
Basically Nina was knocked out quickly with drum machine and is about a prostitute and Freaks about the Marillion fans.
Neither songs fit in either musically or lyrically with the rest of the MC album and thus were never considered to be part of the album.

EMI wanted Lady Nina on the album as a single and the band refused. That drum machine still kind of bothers me. they talk a little about Lady Nina in the doc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 19, 2017, 08:59:03 AM
Not sure if this has been posted here, but HAPPINESS IS THE ROAD will also be released on vinyl soon!
Here's what my burning shed mail said:

Quote
Marillion

Happiness Is The Road - Essence / The Hard Shoulder (double vinyl pre-orders)


Happiness Is The Road, Marillion’s two volume album from 2008, given a 2017 Madfish label reissue as two separate double LP sets.

The two volumes comprise The Hard Shoulder - which presents a riff-laden, harder Rock approach - and Essence - a melancholic and atmospheric concept album - which features Marillion at its most innovative.

These versions of Essence and The Hard Shoulder are presented as double 180g vinyl editiosn packaged in a lavish gatefold covers. The Hard Shoulder features two bonus live tracks on its fourth vinyl side.

Pre-order for 6th October release.

BTW, am I the only one here who LOVES HITR? I feel like it has been bashed a lot bc it's not really proggy but I think it has some brilliant songs and I like the overall atmosphere.

I like it. It's just that I like the albums around it better. I'm sure if there was a US Tour for it, I'd probably like it even more.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on August 19, 2017, 09:38:35 AM
I like The Hard Shoulder a good deal more than Essence, although the title track is decent.  Then again, I'm one of the few Marillion fans who appreciates their rock side more than their introspective side.  I understand what they were going for, but overall, the first disc is just so much middling meh. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 19, 2017, 10:44:54 AM
I like The Hard Shoulder a good deal more than Essence, although the title track is decent.  Then again, I'm one of the few Marillion fans who appreciates their rock side more than their introspective side.  I understand what they were going for, but overall, the first disc is just so much middling meh.

This is me.  I love Hogarth, and I have a lot of respect for him as a singer and frontman, but when he misses (with me) he REALLY misses (with me).   Sometimes he gets a little too into his own universe for me.  I also miss Dave Meegan's input into the band's work. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on August 19, 2017, 11:57:23 AM
I like The Hard Shoulder a good deal more than Essence, although the title track is decent.  Then again, I'm one of the few Marillion fans who appreciates their rock side more than their introspective side.  I understand what they were going for, but overall, the first disc is just so much middling meh.

This is me.  I love Hogarth, and I have a lot of respect for him as a singer and frontman, but when he misses (with me) he REALLY misses (with me).   Sometimes he gets a little too into his own universe for me.  I also miss Dave Meegan's input into the band's work.

Essence is essentially an hour of Hogarth's navel gazing set to music. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Samsara on August 23, 2017, 01:58:05 PM
On my first ever listen to Marillion's Clutching at Straws (albeit it in background while I work)...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on August 23, 2017, 02:11:50 PM
On my first ever listen to Marillion's Clutching at Straws (albeit it in background while I work)...

Good choice.  That's the best one they did with Fish. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 24, 2017, 06:33:03 PM
On my first ever listen to Marillion's Clutching at Straws (albeit it in background while I work)...

Every time my wife and I drive back home at night from somewhere, this is the album we play.

Don't even remember how that started.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 25, 2017, 07:43:26 AM
On my first ever listen to Marillion's Clutching at Straws (albeit it in background while I work)...

Every time my wife and I drive back home at night from somewhere, this is the album we play.

Don't even remember how that started.

Top ten all time album for me.   Top to bottom, and one I still listen to frequently. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: kingshmegland on August 25, 2017, 08:42:46 AM
On my first ever listen to Marillion's Clutching at Straws (albeit it in background while I work)...

Every time my wife and I drive back home at night from somewhere, this is the album we play.

Don't even remember how that started.

The wife and I play The Raven That Refused To Sing for that drive all the time.  Cool!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gazinwales on August 27, 2017, 04:28:29 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned previously, I was reading a SW interview and he said that he was/is working on a 5.1 mix of Brave.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 27, 2017, 11:35:36 AM
On my first ever listen to Marillion's Clutching at Straws (albeit it in background while I work)...

Every time my wife and I drive back home at night from somewhere, this is the album we play.

Don't even remember how that started.

Top ten all time album for me.   Top to bottom, and one I still listen to frequently.

It's not even my favorite Marillion album overall although at that time of the night it just might be. Listened to it twice through again last might. Definitely a state of mind.....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mister Gold on August 27, 2017, 12:10:13 PM
On my first ever listen to Marillion's Clutching at Straws (albeit it in background while I work)...

Probably my personal favorite Marillion album. I typically prefer their work with Hogarth, but Fish knocked it out of the park with that album. One of my absolute favorite albums ever from a lyrical perspective.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on August 27, 2017, 05:02:56 PM
I just bought the brand new re-release of Misplaced Childhood, and I'm feeling a bit ripped off. 

I honestly thought that Steven Wilson had remixed and remastered the ENTIRE thing.   But he only did the 5.1 mixes on the bonus Blu Ray.   The album and the bonus disc are essentially exactly the same thing that I already have from the 1998 Remaster.  (it's been remastered by someone else, but I don't hear much of a difference)

The bonus live concert is nice, and I am happy to have the SW surround sound version, but I basically paid full price for a package that I already owned 40% of. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gazinwales on August 27, 2017, 08:34:21 PM
Are you mad at yourself for not doing enough pre-purchase investigating?
Always read the 'fine print' with deluxe box sets to see exactly what you are paying for.

I only bought it for the BR, and the interview and liner notes.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on August 27, 2017, 09:11:51 PM
Kinda....but in a way, since Steven usually is "all in" on these things (see the Jethro Tull, King Crimson, and Yes re-releases), and to see his name attached to this project, it seemed natural to think it was going to be similar to all those other releases he's gotten involved in.   

You're right.  There was no deception.  But I do wish they would have made it clearer that the main album and B-sides on the first two discs were not done with SW's involvement.   Or at least done a bit more to promote that it was Michael Hunter that was doing the 2017 remaster with no remixing, as opposed to having Steven Wilson be the *only* name that was bantered about in the promotion of the product.

Seriously....Michael Hunter is not mentioned at all on the outside of the package, nor is he ever even mentioned in the promotion of the release.  Even though it only mentions SW in the mix of the surround sound, his name is still the only name that comes up.   Check it.

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/misplaced-deluxeCD.htm

I had to look on the last page of the liner notes before I knew who had done it at all. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gazinwales on August 27, 2017, 09:28:30 PM
Probably down that SW is far more marketable and name is well known than Michael Hunter.

Anyway looking forward to Brave in 5.1, can't think of what that might be packaged with?
We've already had Brave remaster and b-sides, The Making Of Brave, Brave live, what's left in the vault?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 28, 2017, 07:21:33 AM
Kinda....but in a way, since Steven usually is "all in" on these things (see the Jethro Tull, King Crimson, and Yes re-releases), and to see his name attached to this project, it seemed natural to think it was going to be similar to all those other releases he's gotten involved in.   

You're right.  There was no deception.  But I do wish they would have made it clearer that the main album and B-sides on the first two discs were not done with SW's involvement.   Or at least done a bit more to promote that it was Michael Hunter that was doing the 2017 remaster with no remixing, as opposed to having Steven Wilson be the *only* name that was bantered about in the promotion of the product.

Seriously....Michael Hunter is not mentioned at all on the outside of the package, nor is he ever even mentioned in the promotion of the release.  Even though it only mentions SW in the mix of the surround sound, his name is still the only name that comes up.   Check it.

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/misplaced-deluxeCD.htm

I had to look on the last page of the liner notes before I knew who had done it at all.

I'm not taking sides on this, but as a point of fact, I read two interviews with Wilson where he said something to the effect of, "when I do this I start with a remix in stereo, then create the 5.1 mix.   Most packages - Yes was one - require that my new stereo mix be included [the interviews implied that it was a contractual thing, whether to get approval for the stereo re-release or to make sure the royalties on the older stereo mixes were not excessive].  This one, I sent it to the band and said flat out, don't include this; I didn't bring anything new to the table in stereo, the one before was about as good as it's going to get.    Just include the 5.1 mix."    Or something like that. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 03, 2017, 01:07:22 PM
I just bought the brand new re-release of Misplaced Childhood, and I'm feeling a bit ripped off. 

I honestly thought that Steven Wilson had remixed and remastered the ENTIRE thing.   But he only did the 5.1 mixes on the bonus Blu Ray.   The album and the bonus disc are essentially exactly the same thing that I already have from the 1998 Remaster.  (it's been remastered by someone else, but I don't hear much of a difference)

The bonus live concert is nice, and I am happy to have the SW surround sound version, but I basically paid full price for a package that I already owned 40% of.

You have the R40 box? I'd be more pissed about that. (Think I had close to 95 percent of that already and paid close to $100 for it I think.)

I only cared about the live Marillion show (had a vinyl bootleg of this though) the doc and the art and liner notes (The signatures were a really nice touch too) so I guess I'm coming at it from a different place. I don't think it was going to sound any better than it already did (There may be a minor improvement but I'm not completely sure.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 08, 2017, 05:45:31 AM
Living in Fear single coming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U5Aj0iFlJs
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 08, 2017, 11:15:08 AM
AMERICAN TOUR IN FEBRUARY!
 
From Lucy Jordache on Facebook:

hey - if you buy our new single I *might* be persuaded to give you some good news in return:) Oh what the hell....save the dates..9th - 21st February 2018. USA we are coming to get you. More details will be posted in the next few days so don't ask as I'm not telling:)

 
 
We hope you’re having a good summer.
We are are pleased to announce that we’ve decided to release a single!
We thought it might be cool to give F E A R another promotional “bump” as we intend to continue touring our new baby well-into 2018.
Nothing works so well as a top ten chart position so…
Mike H, our resident genius producer has made a radical remix/edit of “Living In Fear” complete with outro taken from our live show at the 2017 Convention.

The preorder starts on Friday 8th September for release 6th October. We'll share the video with you in a couple of weeks:)
You gave us top 5 with “You’re Gone”. Can you do it again? We have a feeling you just might…
See you very soon
H, Ian, Mark, Pete and Steve
Tracklisting:
Marillion – Living In F E A R
1. Living in F E A R (edit)
2. The Leavers : One Tonight (Live)
3. Neverland (Live)
4. Dry Land (Live)
Available on Limited Edition CD, Numbered 12" Vinyl and Digital Download.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 08, 2017, 11:30:19 AM
Oh snap...hopefully they'll play Denver. Think this might be the time to see them.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on September 08, 2017, 11:40:20 AM
Oh snap...hopefully they'll play Denver. Think this might be the time to see them.

AFAIK they played Denver for the F.E.A.R tour. If circumstances were different around that time I might have flown up for it (I have friends and family up there) but it wasn't in the cards.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on September 09, 2017, 12:40:26 PM
Kinda....but in a way, since Steven usually is "all in" on these things (see the Jethro Tull, King Crimson, and Yes re-releases), and to see his name attached to this project, it seemed natural to think it was going to be similar to all those other releases he's gotten involved in.   

You're right.  There was no deception.  But I do wish they would have made it clearer that the main album and B-sides on the first two discs were not done with SW's involvement.   Or at least done a bit more to promote that it was Michael Hunter that was doing the 2017 remaster with no remixing, as opposed to having Steven Wilson be the *only* name that was bantered about in the promotion of the product.

Seriously....Michael Hunter is not mentioned at all on the outside of the package, nor is he ever even mentioned in the promotion of the release.  Even though it only mentions SW in the mix of the surround sound, his name is still the only name that comes up.   Check it.

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/misplaced-deluxeCD.htm

I had to look on the last page of the liner notes before I knew who had done it at all.

I'm not taking sides on this, but as a point of fact, I read two interviews with Wilson where he said something to the effect of, "when I do this I start with a remix in stereo, then create the 5.1 mix.   Most packages - Yes was one - require that my new stereo mix be included [the interviews implied that it was a contractual thing, whether to get approval for the stereo re-release or to make sure the royalties on the older stereo mixes were not excessive].  This one, I sent it to the band and said flat out, don't include this; I didn't bring anything new to the table in stereo, the one before was about as good as it's going to get.    Just include the 5.1 mix."    Or something like that.

I had thought the 2.0 mix on the blu ray was Steve Wilson's but it appears not, just a 24/96 remaster. I don't have a surround sound system so can't play it. The remaster didn't sound any different to my ears but I do have newly diagnosed tinitus, from trauma - I blame that ManOwaR Fighting Zthe World tour 😀

I mainly bought it for the interview part and the package really, and it's signed by Fish.

I'm hoping for a Clutching T Straws version with similar packaging to go on the shelf.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on September 11, 2017, 08:45:27 AM
I'm hoping for a Clutching T Straws version with similar packaging to go on the shelf.

I would hold my breath for that. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 17, 2017, 10:21:00 PM
Well this is quite a surprise, Fish shared this on his FB page, it seems Lars Ulrich has a deep passion for Clutching at Straws, and even gave the album some air time and very good words on his radio show...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipy69_yD9HQ&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipy69_yD9HQ&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on September 18, 2017, 07:50:12 AM
Yeah that was nice to hear that clip.  I love that album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 18, 2017, 03:23:30 PM
Well this is quite a surprise, Fish shared this on his FB page, it seems Lars Ulrich has a deep passion for Clutching at Straws, and even gave the album some air time and very good words on his radio show...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipy69_yD9HQ&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipy69_yD9HQ&feature=youtu.be)

Shortest song on the album (aside from the technicality that is Happy Ending.)

Was thinking about this album a lot today actually. 30 Years. Was really starting to get into the album around this time after initially not feeling it earlier.

Guess the live show had a lot to do with that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on September 27, 2017, 01:17:12 PM
HEY!   Need a little help...

Anyone remember who (if any) the opening acts were at the following shows:

July 24, 1997 (Sunsets on Empire Tour) - Tuxedo Junction, Danbury, CT
June 21, 2008 (13th Star Tour) - TLA Philadelphia

Also, Marillion:
February 12, 1990 (Season's End Tour) - Toad's Place, New Haven
October 12, 1992 (Holidays in Eden Tour) - Toad's Place, New Haven
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on September 28, 2017, 09:31:42 AM
On the Holidays in Eden tour they had (at least in Europe) the wonderful The Violet Hour as support.
They released only one album but that one is one of my all time favorites, called The Fire Sermon.

They were led by the amazing Doris Brendel (vocals and flagolette).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 30, 2017, 01:37:46 PM
HEY!   Need a little help...

Anyone remember who (if any) the opening acts were at the following shows:

July 24, 1997 (Sunsets on Empire Tour) - Tuxedo Junction, Danbury, CT
June 21, 2008 (13th Star Tour) - TLA Philadelphia

Also, Marillion:
February 12, 1990 (Season's End Tour) - Toad's Place, New Haven
October 12, 1992 (Holidays in Eden Tour) - Toad's Place, New Haven

I'm pretty sure Fish didn't have any opening acts and Marillion and Dream Theater has monumentally bad openers around this period.

As far as Marillion goes, they had bands like Flies on Fire and Drive...She Said as openers at shows I saw in New York, NJ and PA.  Have no idea if they were at your shows. Only things I remember about them was suffering through until they were done and those ridiculous names.

I should probably google them for the laughs but I guess it doesn't even raise to that level of interest.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 30, 2017, 06:07:54 PM
When I saw Sunsets on Empire, he didn't have an opener.

And for Season's End, they had Enchant open, though I think that was specific to the Bay Area show since they are a local band and Rothery had a hand in the production of their debut album. If you're not familiar with Enchant, I'll send them in your roulette :p
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on October 01, 2017, 08:58:27 AM
February 2018 American Tour:

(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22007979_1587912027959467_3187482668497964081_n.jpg?oh=ef56a1b2891f7ee11584a54c0e46f75e&oe=5A4560DE)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1587912027959467&set=gm.1777665172257770&type=3&theater&ifg=1

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 02, 2017, 12:16:44 AM
Might hit up that Texas date. I'm not sure yet though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 02, 2017, 01:33:13 AM
On the Holidays in Eden tour they had (at least in Europe) the wonderful The Violet Hour as support.
They released only one album but that one is one of my all time favorites, called The Fire Sermon.

They were led by the amazing Doris Brendel (vocals and flagolette).

Wow - nice to see another Violet Hour fan on here - that was a great album! Doris Brendel is supporting Fish on some of his forthcoming shows...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on October 02, 2017, 01:44:02 AM
On the Holidays in Eden tour they had (at least in Europe) the wonderful The Violet Hour as support.
They released only one album but that one is one of my all time favorites, called The Fire Sermon.

They were led by the amazing Doris Brendel (vocals and flagolette).

Wow - nice to see another Violet Hour fan on here - that was a great album! Doris Brendel is supporting Fish on some of his forthcoming shows...

Same to you....
Yes I wish I could go to Great Britain for one of those shows, but alas...
Trying to convince a local promotor to book Fish and Doris Brendel.... hope next year
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on October 02, 2017, 07:20:47 AM
HEY!   Need a little help...

Anyone remember who (if any) the opening acts were at the following shows:

July 24, 1997 (Sunsets on Empire Tour) - Tuxedo Junction, Danbury, CT
June 21, 2008 (13th Star Tour) - TLA Philadelphia

Also, Marillion:
February 12, 1990 (Season's End Tour) - Toad's Place, New Haven
October 12, 1992 (Holidays in Eden Tour) - Toad's Place, New Haven

I'm pretty sure Fish didn't have any opening acts and Marillion and Dream Theater has monumentally bad openers around this period.

As far as Marillion goes, they had bands like Flies on Fire and Drive...She Said as openers at shows I saw in New York, NJ and PA.  Have no idea if they were at your shows. Only things I remember about them was suffering through until they were done and those ridiculous names.

I should probably google them for the laughs but I guess it doesn't even raise to that level of interest.

Flies On Fire!  Yes!  They opened the Season's End tour.  They sucked, if I recall correctly.  I don't remember Drive... She Said, but that is an epically bad band name. 

Thanks for your help...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 08, 2017, 10:29:45 AM
February 2018 American Tour:

(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22007979_1587912027959467_3187482668497964081_n.jpg?oh=ef56a1b2891f7ee11584a54c0e46f75e&oe=5A4560DE)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1587912027959467&set=gm.1777665172257770&type=3&theater&ifg=1

While I'm kind of bummed they won't be any closer than 5 hours on a weeknight I makes perfect sense to visit the rest of the country.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on October 08, 2017, 10:41:18 AM
Yes.  As this is technically a second US leg of the FEAR tour it seems they consciously avoided markets they already hit in 2016,  even big ones like NYC and LA.  NO canadian dates either but the rumour goes they'll bring back the Marillion Weekend in Montreal in 2019.  I hope that turns out to be true.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on October 08, 2017, 10:41:45 AM
edit: double post
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 08, 2017, 12:39:53 PM
Yes.  As this is technically a second US leg of the FEAR tour it seems they consciously avoided markets they already hit in 2016,  even big ones like NYC and LA.  NO canadian dates either but the rumour goes they'll bring back the Marillion Weekend in Montreal in 2019.  I hope that turns out to be true.

Can't see why it wouldn't be. Seems like no-brainer.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on October 08, 2017, 02:54:24 PM
February 2018 American Tour:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1587912027959467&set=gm.1777665172257770&type=3&theater&ifg=1

While I'm kind of bummed they won't be any closer than 5 hours on a weeknight I makes perfect sense to visit the rest of the country.

Almost the rest.... :-[
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on October 09, 2017, 05:38:56 AM
Got tickets for the Dallas show. So looking forward to this time. Love H and Marillion. 1st tike seeing them. :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: faizoff on October 09, 2017, 06:54:44 AM
February 2018 American Tour:

(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22007979_1587912027959467_3187482668497964081_n.jpg?oh=ef56a1b2891f7ee11584a54c0e46f75e&oe=5A4560DE)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1587912027959467&set=gm.1777665172257770&type=3&theater&ifg=1



This is awesome, I should be able to make the Orlando show.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on October 11, 2017, 08:25:06 AM
I just pulled the trigger and got tickets for the Pittsburgh area show. I have never traveled 8 hours to go to a concert before, but I don't want to miss the tour. So a road trip from Connecticut is in order!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on October 11, 2017, 08:47:03 AM
Worth it.  I drove from CT to Philly to see the first leg, and it was SO worth it.   I was with my friend and his girlfriend, and I stood to the side during Neverland because I didn't want them to see me crying.  Second time ever at a show (the first was McCartney as he sang Yesterday), and that song alone is worth the ticket price.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on October 12, 2017, 09:26:41 AM
Anyone here going to the Royal Albert Hall gig tomorrow? On paper, it should be an incredible, memorable occasion. One of the most charismatic live bands, with a truly dedicated fanbase, in one of Britain's most prestigious venues.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on October 12, 2017, 11:43:58 AM
Worth it.  I drove from CT to Philly to see the first leg, and it was SO worth it.   I was with my friend and his girlfriend, and I stood to the side during Neverland because I didn't want them to see me crying.  Second time ever at a show (the first was McCartney as he sang Yesterday), and that song alone is worth the ticket price.
I know it will be worth it. I've seen Marillion a few times. The last time was Election night in NYC. Needless to say, that was a very surreal night to say the least.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 13, 2017, 09:39:24 PM
Anyone here going to the Royal Albert Hall gig tomorrow? On paper, it should be an incredible, memorable occasion. One of the most charismatic live bands, with a truly dedicated fanbase, in one of Britain's most prestigious venues.

I wish.

Must have been incredible to witness this.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 13, 2017, 09:41:03 PM
Worth it.  I drove from CT to Philly to see the first leg, and it was SO worth it.   I was with my friend and his girlfriend, and I stood to the side during Neverland because I didn't want them to see me crying.  Second time ever at a show (the first was McCartney as he sang Yesterday), and that song alone is worth the ticket price.
I know it will be worth it. I've seen Marillion a few times. The last time was Election night in NYC. Needless to say, that was a very surreal night to say the least.

That's one way to put it.  I had a friend who went to that gig and I'd considered going myself, but I didn't want to take that risk.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: mike099 on October 15, 2017, 05:27:56 PM
I got one of the bands promo cd's a year ago and it was nice, but did not hold my attention.  I recently came to this thread and went to the beginning.    I listened to Clutching at Straws this afternoon and all I can say is 'wow'.  One of the best cd's I have ever heard.  Next up is Misplaced Childhood.  I listened to the first two, but will have to listen again before purchasing.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 16, 2017, 01:49:32 AM
Anyone here going to the Royal Albert Hall gig tomorrow? On paper, it should be an incredible, memorable occasion. One of the most charismatic live bands, with a truly dedicated fanbase, in one of Britain's most prestigious venues.

Yes! It was utterly fantastic! My 24th Marillion gig, and just about one of the best - the atmosphere was unbelievable (I've still got goose-bumps) and the DVD should be amazing!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 18, 2017, 05:02:22 PM
Anyone here going to the Royal Albert Hall gig tomorrow? On paper, it should be an incredible, memorable occasion. One of the most charismatic live bands, with a truly dedicated fanbase, in one of Britain's most prestigious venues.

Yes! It was utterly fantastic! My 24th Marillion gig, and just about one of the best - the atmosphere was unbelievable (I've still got goose-bumps) and the DVD should be amazing!

I'd have to think the vibe was similar to Dream Theater's Score show. (Anyone go to both?)  The DVD should be totally worth it.


The new Marillion EP  is better than I expected it to be. Neverland is taking some getting used to though. I noticed the differences when I saw them last year and this recording really highlights them. Still not sure if I like the arrangement.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 17, 2018, 01:14:20 PM
Will be at the show in Durham NC.  Can't wait to finally see this band!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 19, 2018, 11:18:21 AM
Will be at the show in Durham NC.  Can't wait to finally see this band!
Excited for you! You are going to have a great time!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on January 19, 2018, 01:20:32 PM
Deluxe reissue of Brave coming in March. (https://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/marillion-brave-deluxe-editions/)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 19, 2018, 02:03:28 PM
Deluxe reissue of Brave coming in March. (https://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/marillion-brave-deluxe-editions/)

That's cool.  I'll buy that.   That's the full show from Made Again (Made Again had only the Brave portion).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 19, 2018, 07:18:34 PM
Deluxe reissue of Brave coming in March. (https://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/marillion-brave-deluxe-editions/)

I'm almost 100 percent sure this will be the only Marillion deluxe I'm passing on.

I'm kind of idly wondering if a Steven Wilson remix will do anything to change my opinion of it. But if it's not going to move mountains I'm not going to bother with it. I have Made Again and while I think it's a slight improvement over the studio record, it's not enough to make me reach for it much.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 19, 2018, 07:38:31 PM
On that subject... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LRTEprP4bI

Imo it's a decent improvement.  Brings h out more and more h is always good.  Odd that the B sides won't be in the new deluxe but everyone's heard them I guess. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 19, 2018, 08:08:55 PM
On that subject... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LRTEprP4bI

Imo it's a decent improvement.  Brings h out more and more h is always good.  Odd that the B sides won't be in the new deluxe but everyone's heard them I guess.

Marouette Jam is the best track from those sessions and it never made the freaking album!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on January 20, 2018, 02:34:39 AM
Marouette Jam is the best track from those sessions and it never made the freaking album!

Part of it did. The Slide.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gborland on January 20, 2018, 09:06:21 AM
A hi-res Steven Wilson remaster of one of my favourite albums of all time. Yes please!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on January 20, 2018, 11:17:58 AM
Deluxe reissue of Brave coming in March. (https://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/marillion-brave-deluxe-editions/)

That's cool.  I'll buy that.   That's the full show from Made Again (Made Again had only the Brave portion).

My brother had Made Again on CD but I never tracked it down for myself. I was gonna get this anyway, Marillion is pretty much an auto-buy for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 22, 2018, 08:20:47 AM
Deluxe reissue of Brave coming in March. (https://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/marillion-brave-deluxe-editions/)

I'm almost 100 percent sure this will be the only Marillion deluxe I'm passing on.

I'm kind of idly wondering if a Steven Wilson remix will do anything to change my opinion of it. But if it's not going to move mountains I'm not going to bother with it. I have Made Again and while I think it's a slight improvement over the studio record, it's not enough to make me reach for it much.

Are you a 5.1 guy?   I feel like of all the Marillion albums, this is the one that will benefit the most from a 5.1 mix.  It's a dense record, and it's a complicated (for them) record.    That's what I'm looking forward to the most, not any subtle changes that Steven might bring to the stereo mix.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Pebsie on January 23, 2018, 05:49:24 AM
Saw Fish play Clutching at Straws in its entirety at the Cambridge Corn Exchange. Absolutely magnificent, especially for someone who was told they'd never be able to sing again. I'll be sad when his next, "final" album is out.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 23, 2018, 09:27:11 AM
lol

https://teamrock.com/news/2018-01-23/deranged-marillion-fan-builds-the-chrome-extension-no-one-wants
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 23, 2018, 10:05:26 AM
I think this partial quote from the article - "Thinking is no longer actually required..." - says it all.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 23, 2018, 10:05:57 AM
I just replayed Brave for the first time in a while... what a great album.  Really fired up for this reissue.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Adami on January 23, 2018, 10:09:24 AM
I just replayed Brave for the first time in a while... what a great album.  Really fired up for this reissue.

I haven't heard the album, but I completely disagree with this.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on January 23, 2018, 12:49:34 PM
I just replayed Brave for the first time in a while... what a great album.  Really fired up for this reissue.

I haven't heard the album, but I completely disagree with this.

Do you disagree with everything Stadler says?

Well.... you have taken a stand at least
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 23, 2018, 02:33:35 PM
I just replayed Brave for the first time in a while... what a great album.  Really fired up for this reissue.

I haven't heard the album, but I completely disagree with this.

Do you disagree with everything Stadler says?

Well.... you have taken a stand at least

If nothing else, you have to admire his integrity.   :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on January 23, 2018, 03:29:14 PM
I think Adami is just very good at gentle trolling
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Adami on January 23, 2018, 04:31:16 PM
I just replayed Brave for the first time in a while... what a great album.  Really fired up for this reissue.

I haven't heard the album, but I completely disagree with this.

Do you disagree with everything Stadler says?

Well.... you have taken a stand at least

If nothing else, you have to admire his integrity.   :)

Hard to disagree with that.




But I’m going to anyway.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on January 24, 2018, 01:33:35 AM
Saw Fish play Clutching at Straws in its entirety at the Cambridge Corn Exchange. Absolutely magnificent, especially for someone who was told they'd never be able to sing again. I'll be sad when his next, "final" album is out.

I'm trying not to hate you, and failing miserably.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 24, 2018, 08:05:36 AM
Saw Fish play Clutching at Straws in its entirety at the Cambridge Corn Exchange. Absolutely magnificent, especially for someone who was told they'd never be able to sing again. I'll be sad when his next, "final" album is out.

I'm trying not to hate you, and failing miserably.

I saw the 13th Star tour, and while it wasn't the whole album, it was seven out of eleven songs, and while it was very very good - and special from the "event" aspect of it, he did struggle.  He's not the Fish of 1988 (no one expects him to be) but that material exposes that pretty clearly.   In all fairness, though, for whatever reason, he wasn't in a great mood before the show (I met him and he was rather curt to some of the fans, including my 7 year old daughter) and that carried over into the show (someone took a photo during the show - after he asked that no one take any photos - and he stopped the show, made the audience in front of the guy move aside so the guy was highlighted, and called him a "TWAT!".  Funny for everyone else, but pretty uncalled for.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 24, 2018, 08:08:08 AM
Saw Fish play Clutching at Straws in its entirety at the Cambridge Corn Exchange. Absolutely magnificent, especially for someone who was told they'd never be able to sing again. I'll be sad when his next, "final" album is out.

I'm trying not to hate you, and failing miserably.

I saw the 13th Star tour, and while it wasn't the whole album, it was seven out of eleven songs, and while it was very very good - and special from the "event" aspect of it, he did struggle.  He's not the Fish of 1988 (no one expects him to be) but that material exposes that pretty clearly.   In all fairness, though, for whatever reason, he wasn't in a great mood before the show (I met him and he was rather curt to some of the fans, including my 7 year old daughter) and that carried over into the show (someone took a photo during the show - after he asked that no one take any photos - and he stopped the show, made the audience in front of the guy move aside so the guy was highlighted, and called him a "TWAT!".  Funny for everyone else, but pretty uncalled for.)
I was there
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 24, 2018, 08:12:02 AM
Hopefully you weren't the guy that took the picture...   :) :)    Did I remember it right?  (I was in the back). 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on January 24, 2018, 08:13:37 AM
I saw him at NEARfest on that tour. Got a picture with him early in the day, and he was nice enough, and seemed in good spirits during the show. And yeah, definitely sounded better on his 13th Star material than Clutching stuff.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on January 24, 2018, 08:15:49 AM
Here we go, and yes, my exact thoughts at this point was, "yeah, he is fucking tall".

(https://www.wpapu.com/images/nickfish.jpg)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Pebsie on January 24, 2018, 08:53:29 AM
Saw Fish play Clutching at Straws in its entirety at the Cambridge Corn Exchange. Absolutely magnificent, especially for someone who was told they'd never be able to sing again. I'll be sad when his next, "final" album is out.

I'm trying not to hate you, and failing miserably.
:rollin
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on January 24, 2018, 09:28:33 AM
Saw Fish play Clutching at Straws in its entirety at the Cambridge Corn Exchange. Absolutely magnificent, especially for someone who was told they'd never be able to sing again. I'll be sad when his next, "final" album is out.

I'm trying not to hate you, and failing miserably.
:rollin

Mee too....

Doris Brendel as support and background singer to Fish.... would have loved to see that
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 24, 2018, 10:18:37 AM
Hopefully you weren't the guy that took the picture...   :) :)    Did I remember it right?  (I was in the back).
Not me. I rarely ever take pictures at shows. That would mean I'd have to put my beer down.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 24, 2018, 11:27:49 AM
Hopefully you weren't the guy that took the picture...   :) :)    Did I remember it right?  (I was in the back).
Not me. I rarely ever take pictures at shows. That would mean I'd have to put my beer down.

Haha, you and me both. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 24, 2018, 12:15:26 PM
Hopefully you weren't the guy that took the picture...   :) :)    Did I remember it right?  (I was in the back).
Not me. I rarely ever take pictures at shows. That would mean I'd have to put my beer down.

Haha, you and me both.
I had forgotten how heated Fish got. I know he was hanging at some local bar before the show and said for fans to come out and say hi. I regretted not going. Maybe I could have put him in a better move with my sense of humor! Either that or he might have pummeled me in anger?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 24, 2018, 12:47:57 PM
Hopefully you weren't the guy that took the picture...   :) :)    Did I remember it right?  (I was in the back).
Not me. I rarely ever take pictures at shows. That would mean I'd have to put my beer down.

Haha, you and me both.
I had forgotten how heated Fish got. I know he was hanging at some local bar before the show and said for fans to come out and say hi. I regretted not going. Maybe I could have put him in a better move with my sense of humor! Either that or he might have pummeled me in anger?

There was a snafu with that.  The fans on his forum (at the time) agreed on "The Irish Times", about three blocks from the venue, and about four blocks from my house at the time, so I went there.   After arriving in Philly, he wanted to stay at "Manny Brown's" on South Street, about a block from the venue, but everyone was already committed to the Times.   Then when he got there was a mix up with merch; either it didn't show up or the owner said he couldn't sell it, I don't remember which.  The idea was that the venue took a cut of the merch, so he would set up a stall at the bar and take the whole kit and caboodle, but it didn't happen for some reason (I know the owner of the Times, and it could have gone either way; I could absolutely see him saying "can't sell your shit here").   There were about 40 people at the Times (my daughter and I included) and he went through the line in a perfunctory way then left in a mood.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 24, 2018, 02:06:01 PM
Hopefully you weren't the guy that took the picture...   :) :)    Did I remember it right?  (I was in the back).
Not me. I rarely ever take pictures at shows. That would mean I'd have to put my beer down.

Haha, you and me both.
I had forgotten how heated Fish got. I know he was hanging at some local bar before the show and said for fans to come out and say hi. I regretted not going. Maybe I could have put him in a better move with my sense of humor! Either that or he might have pummeled me in anger?

There was a snafu with that.  The fans on his forum (at the time) agreed on "The Irish Times", about three blocks from the venue, and about four blocks from my house at the time, so I went there.   After arriving in Philly, he wanted to stay at "Manny Brown's" on South Street, about a block from the venue, but everyone was already committed to the Times.   Then when he got there was a mix up with merch; either it didn't show up or the owner said he couldn't sell it, I don't remember which.  The idea was that the venue took a cut of the merch, so he would set up a stall at the bar and take the whole kit and caboodle, but it didn't happen for some reason (I know the owner of the Times, and it could have gone either way; I could absolutely see him saying "can't sell your shit here").   There were about 40 people at the Times (my daughter and I included) and he went through the line in a perfunctory way then left in a mood.
Woah wait...
Your talking about a show in Philly? I'm talking about Toads Place in New Haven. Were you not at the Connecticut show?
Was he pissed off every show of the tour? In New Haven he threaten to beat up a heckler if I recall correctly?  :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 25, 2018, 07:30:18 AM
Yeah, Philly.  He got hot at Toad's too?   Must have been a hell of a tour for him.  :)   

I like Fish a lot - certainly as far as Marillion goes, if I had to pick one and only one, I'd say I'm "Team Fish" - but it's almost as entertaining as the music to watch the emotional rollercoaster that is his career.   Every two years or so there's a new "Cunning Plan" that for whatever reason goes off the rails wildly.   I wish him no ill-will, of course, but still. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 25, 2018, 08:25:29 AM
Yeah, Philly.  He got hot at Toad's too?   Must have been a hell of a tour for him.  :)   

I like Fish a lot - certainly as far as Marillion goes, if I had to pick one and only one, I'd say I'm "Team Fish" - but it's almost as entertaining as the music to watch the emotional rollercoaster that is his career.   Every two years or so there's a new "Cunning Plan" that for whatever reason goes off the rails wildly.   I wish him no ill-will, of course, but still.
In fairness to Fish its not easy trying to make ends meet doing what he does. I'm sure its quite stressful.

and he was definitely hot at Toads. In you live in CT why did you go to Philly and not New Haven?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 25, 2018, 08:29:40 AM
Yeah, Philly.  He got hot at Toad's too?   Must have been a hell of a tour for him.  :)   

I like Fish a lot - certainly as far as Marillion goes, if I had to pick one and only one, I'd say I'm "Team Fish" - but it's almost as entertaining as the music to watch the emotional rollercoaster that is his career.   Every two years or so there's a new "Cunning Plan" that for whatever reason goes off the rails wildly.   I wish him no ill-will, of course, but still.
In fairness to Fish its not easy trying to make ends meet doing what he does. I'm sure its quite stressful.

and he was definitely hot at Toads. In you live in CT why did you go to Philly and not New Haven?

I am originally from CT (1967 to '98) and live here now (since 2013 or so).   At that time I was in Philly (I lived there from '08 till I moved back here).  I still drive to Philly on occasion to see shows.  There are so many great places to see bands there, and they get some cool shows.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 26, 2018, 06:10:21 PM
Marouette Jam is the best track from those sessions and it never made the freaking album!

Part of it did. The Slide.

You're right, but not nearly enough.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 26, 2018, 06:12:17 PM
Deluxe reissue of Brave coming in March. (https://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/marillion-brave-deluxe-editions/)

I'm almost 100 percent sure this will be the only Marillion deluxe I'm passing on.

I'm kind of idly wondering if a Steven Wilson remix will do anything to change my opinion of it. But if it's not going to move mountains I'm not going to bother with it. I have Made Again and while I think it's a slight improvement over the studio record, it's not enough to make me reach for it much.

Are you a 5.1 guy?   I feel like of all the Marillion albums, this is the one that will benefit the most from a 5.1 mix.  It's a dense record, and it's a complicated (for them) record.    That's what I'm looking forward to the most, not any subtle changes that Steven might bring to the stereo mix.

Not a 5.1 guy.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 26, 2018, 06:20:32 PM
Saw Fish play Clutching at Straws in its entirety at the Cambridge Corn Exchange. Absolutely magnificent, especially for someone who was told they'd never be able to sing again. I'll be sad when his next, "final" album is out.

I have to say I'm much more excited for his new album and hearing solo tracks live than hearing him do anything from the Marillion days.

Some of his new arrangements work, but I have way too many miles and time invested in his time with the band for me to enjoy much of it. Way to too easy to throw on a live recording from those days and just be in total bliss in the experience of it all.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 26, 2018, 06:22:09 PM
Saw Fish play Clutching at Straws in its entirety at the Cambridge Corn Exchange. Absolutely magnificent, especially for someone who was told they'd never be able to sing again. I'll be sad when his next, "final" album is out.

I'm trying not to hate you, and failing miserably.

I saw the 13th Star tour, and while it wasn't the whole album, it was seven out of eleven songs, and while it was very very good - and special from the "event" aspect of it, he did struggle.  He's not the Fish of 1988 (no one expects him to be) but that material exposes that pretty clearly.   In all fairness, though, for whatever reason, he wasn't in a great mood before the show (I met him and he was rather curt to some of the fans, including my 7 year old daughter) and that carried over into the show (someone took a photo during the show - after he asked that no one take any photos - and he stopped the show, made the audience in front of the guy move aside so the guy was highlighted, and called him a "TWAT!".  Funny for everyone else, but pretty uncalled for.)
I was there

As was I.....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 27, 2018, 08:24:03 AM
Anyone going to the Pittsburgh show? I'm road tripping it from Connecticut. About 8 hours.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 29, 2018, 07:20:49 PM
Anyone going to the Pittsburgh show? I'm road tripping it from Connecticut. About 8 hours.

Nope. It's 5 hours away on a weeknight. Not happening.

 First US Tour I've missed since those fan-funded gigs for Afraid Of Sunlight. Chose to miss that one.

I guess I choose to miss this one too, but I'd go if the circumstances allowed for it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 30, 2018, 08:19:07 AM
is this really a "separate" tour, or an extension of the previous FEAR dates?  What makes it a new tour? 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on January 30, 2018, 10:54:24 AM
is this really a "separate" tour, or an extension of the previous FEAR dates?  What makes it a new tour?

It's an extension.  I guess you could say it's the second north american leg of the FEAR tour.   It's all new places,  not playing a single venue they hit in 2016, not even coming back to my neck of the woods, Montreal and Quebec city where they always do well.  The fans up here are hoping for a return of the Montreal MArillion Weekend in 2019, I guess we'll know in the spring.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on January 30, 2018, 10:56:22 AM
edit: double post
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 30, 2018, 02:46:35 PM
Anyone going to the Pittsburgh show? I'm road tripping it from Connecticut. About 8 hours.

Nope. It's 5 hours away on a weeknight. Not happening.

 First US Tour I've missed since those fan-funded gigs for Afraid Of Sunlight. Chose to miss that one.

I guess I choose to miss this one too, but I'd go if the circumstances allowed for it.
I totally get that. This is the first time I have EVER traveled over 3 hours for any show. A friend and I are making it a cool little road trip. Leaving early Tuesday morning, hitting Primanti Brothers for a sandwich. Having a few cold ones, seeing the show, staying overnight and heading back home early Wednesday morning.
I'm exited for the show, but equally excited to take a road trip with my best friends. Those types of trips are few and far between.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gazinwales on March 23, 2018, 02:35:56 AM
Deluxe Brave arrived earlier this, I'v been saving hearing it until today.
I popped the SW remix CD in my car and the first thing I noticed that is mastered lower than To The Bone CD that it replaced.
The mix sound bright, SR guitar stands out a little more, but I am not hearing a massive difference and I would have though that SW
would have 'meddled' too much anyway.

Gonna play the 5.1 BR tomorrow  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on March 23, 2018, 06:20:28 AM
Deluxe Brave arrived earlier this, I'v been saving hearing it until today.
I popped the SW remix CD in my car and the first thing I noticed that is mastered lower than To The Bone CD that it replaced.
The mix sound bright, SR guitar stands out a little more, but I am not hearing a massive difference and I would have though that SW
would have 'meddled' too much anyway.

Gonna play the 5.1 BR tomorrow  :biggrin:

If it's the same as the Misplaced Childhood set, SW did NOT do a stereo remix.   ONLY the 5.1 mix on the DVD.   I purchased the MC set thinking that SW had done the entire thing, and he didn't. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on March 23, 2018, 06:42:33 AM
Deluxe Brave arrived earlier this, I'v been saving hearing it until today.
I popped the SW remix CD in my car and the first thing I noticed that is mastered lower than To The Bone CD that it replaced.
The mix sound bright, SR guitar stands out a little more, but I am not hearing a massive difference and I would have though that SW
would have 'meddled' too much anyway.

Gonna play the 5.1 BR tomorrow  :biggrin:

If it's the same as the Misplaced Childhood set, SW did NOT do a stereo remix.   ONLY the 5.1 mix on the DVD.   I purchased the MC set thinking that SW had done the entire thing, and he didn't.

it’s not the same as MC, there’s two cds of the studio album in this set: the steven wilson mix and the dave meegan mix.  The demos and jams from the ‘98 remaster are not included in this one. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gazinwales on March 23, 2018, 12:32:09 PM
It states quite clearly on the sticker on the front, the back of the packaging and on the CD itself that it is a SW remix CD.
I wouldn't have posted about it if he wasn't responsible for the remix.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on March 23, 2018, 06:26:19 PM
I didn't mean offence....I myself had been fooled by the label on the MC (which I felt was a tad misleading....but I'm still happy I got it)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: theanalogkid7 on March 25, 2018, 12:14:27 AM
Since receiving my copy of the Brave Deluxe set, I've been listening to the SW mix quite a bit.  I just love it, man.  It very much feels like SW took an already good mix and just breathed some new life into it. The 5.1 mix is especially a treat. 

I was fortunate enough to get to see Marillion for the first time down in Dallas this past month, and man, what a show it was.  I've been on a Marillion high/binge ever since.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 26, 2018, 08:30:20 AM
For those that care:   Wilson commented on this around the time of the Misplaced Childhood release (you can find the interview via Google).   To do a 5.1 mix, he HAS to do a new stereo mix.   For some, it's a radically different mix than what we previously released, in other cases it's not that different at all (and in the case of MC, it was almost exactly the same).   I don't think he named names, but it was sort of evident (as I remember it) that with Crimson, he gave the stereo mixes to Fripp, who released them because he's a completist, and released everything.   With Yes, he seemed to point the finger at the record company, who tacked on the stereo mix as a marketing gimmick, even though it wasn't that different than what came before.   He explicitly said that he wasn't contractually obligated to give the new stereo mix for MC to the band, and he felt that his work didn't improve on what Chris Kimsey did before, so he withheld it.  Apparently he didn't feel so charitable toward the original Brave mix (my CD doesn't say explicitly but it seems that Dave Meegan did the original mix).

As an aside, I don't know if there was a bridge burned or not, but it seems the band is distancing themselves from Meegan (and using Michael Hunter, who was an engineering assistant under Meegan).  It's a shame, because the work with Meegan is my favorite of the Hogarth era:   Brave, Afraid of Sunlight, Anoraknophobia, and Marbles. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on March 26, 2018, 09:07:49 AM
So not sure if anyone else saw this, but Fish was announced for Cruise to the Edge, and in his FB post, he mentions it's "the best chance since 2008 of setting up a tour in the United States and Canada.If we can make this happen I will need as much support as I can possibly get with this as it wil be a huge endeavour. Lets keep our fingers crossed."

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on March 26, 2018, 09:11:37 AM
So not sure if anyone else saw this, but Fish was announced for Cruise to the Edge, and in his FB post, he mentions it's "the best chance since 2008 of setting up a tour in the United States and Canada.If we can make this happen I will need as much support as I can possibly get with this as it wil be a huge endeavour. Lets keep our fingers crossed."

I'm hoping he does pull a tour together. Of course I'd love to do the cruise again, but don't know if I'll be able to swing it next year, and seeing him again would go a long way towards not making me feel bad about missing the cruise.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on March 26, 2018, 11:08:42 AM
I saw another post of his where it sounded like said tour would be a continuation of the CaS tour he just did, which would be just way too much for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 27, 2018, 02:34:19 PM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on March 27, 2018, 02:48:49 PM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?

Personally, I put Anaraknophobia on the same level as those two...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on March 27, 2018, 03:22:50 PM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?
I love them all but I'd say .Com, FEAR, Sounds that can't be made.
And Anaraknophobia is damn good as well. As is Afraid of Sunlight.

Oh hell, just buy them all! :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on March 27, 2018, 04:25:23 PM
guys it's called Anoraknophobia, as in "anorak"   ;) 

(https://images.eil.com/large_image/MARILLION_ANORAKNOPHOBIA-184732.jpg)

(https://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1325000/images/_1325340_phonebox300.jpg)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on March 27, 2018, 05:34:05 PM
Ya know....for such a weird name, I don't think missing ONE LETTER is that bad.   It's not like spell check would catch something like that.  :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on March 28, 2018, 06:29:44 AM
Afraid of Sunlight is a stunner. And Radiation is underrated. But, in fairness...

Oh hell, just buy them all! :lol

...is the true correct answer here.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on March 28, 2018, 08:03:53 AM
Afraid of Sunlight is a stunner. And Radiation is underrated. But, in fairness...

AoS was my second Marillion purchase.  It's got some amazing tracks.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 28, 2018, 08:08:33 AM
With the exception of cannibal surf babe, I love Afraid of sunlight, with beautiful being my favorite track on the album
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on March 28, 2018, 08:10:21 AM
With the exception of cannibal surf babe, I love Afraid of sunlight, with beautiful being my favorite track on the album

Eye to eye.. you and me.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: devieira73 on March 28, 2018, 09:06:05 AM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?
IMO stylistic wise, I guess you should go with Afraid, it is the closest from these albums. Personally I love all these mentionated albums e also Seasons End, Holidays (these two are more in Misplaced and Clutching style), This Strange Engine (middle of the road between Brave and Seasons/Holidays), and .com. I have some trouble in really like the Marillion albums after Marbles, although it has some great songs in all of them.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 28, 2018, 09:59:56 AM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?

NO!   DO NOT BUY THEM ALL.   My biggest criticism of H-era Marillion  is that it is so up and down.   If you like Season's End or Clutching you probably do NOT like "Holidays In Eden", for example.  I consider myself a pretty hardcore Marillion fan (having been a fan since MC came out the first time) and I've seen them three times in the H-era (Fish four times solo), and I even bailed on them after This Strange Engine, because it sucked so hard.  Only the curiosity of Marbles (and it's subsequent quality, in my opinion) brought me back into the fold.  And then they almost lost me again with Somewhere Else, Happiness..., and Less is Less.   

If you like Brave and Marbles, stick with the Dave Meegan produced records:   go with Afraid of Sunlight and Anoraknophobia.   Then go with Season's End.  After that, you're kind of throwing darts in the dark. I like "Sounds That Can't Be Made" and "FEAR", but there are no guarantees.  I still think Somewhere Else and Less is Less both suck hard.   Not really a fan of Holidays, even if I like a couple songs (and it translates WAY better live than on record).   Happiness... is okay, but it's basically a two-disk mood record for me.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on March 28, 2018, 11:27:26 AM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?

NO!   DO NOT BUY THEM ALL.   My biggest criticism of H-era Marillion  is that it is so up and down.   If you like Season's End or Clutching you probably do NOT like "Holidays In Eden", for example.  I consider myself a pretty hardcore Marillion fan (having been a fan since MC came out the first time) and I've seen them three times in the H-era (Fish four times solo), and I even bailed on them after This Strange Engine, because it sucked so hard.  Only the curiosity of Marbles (and it's subsequent quality, in my opinion) brought me back into the fold.  And then they almost lost me again with Somewhere Else, Happiness..., and Less is Less.   

If you like Brave and Marbles, stick with the Dave Meegan produced records:   go with Afraid of Sunlight and Anoraknophobia.   Then go with Season's End.  After that, you're kind of throwing darts in the dark. I like "Sounds That Can't Be Made" and "FEAR", but there are no guarantees.  I still think Somewhere Else and Less is Less both suck hard.   Not really a fan of Holidays, even if I like a couple songs (and it translates WAY better live than on record).   Happiness... is okay, but it's basically a two-disk mood record for me.
Buy them all... You heard me...all of them. Each and every one!
If I had to pick my least favorite H album it would be Radiation. But buy it.
AND the song, This Strange Engine is one of the best H era songs ever written!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 28, 2018, 11:55:06 AM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?

NO!   DO NOT BUY THEM ALL.   My biggest criticism of H-era Marillion  is that it is so up and down.   If you like Season's End or Clutching you probably do NOT like "Holidays In Eden", for example.  I consider myself a pretty hardcore Marillion fan (having been a fan since MC came out the first time) and I've seen them three times in the H-era (Fish four times solo), and I even bailed on them after This Strange Engine, because it sucked so hard.  Only the curiosity of Marbles (and it's subsequent quality, in my opinion) brought me back into the fold.  And then they almost lost me again with Somewhere Else, Happiness..., and Less is Less.   

If you like Brave and Marbles, stick with the Dave Meegan produced records:   go with Afraid of Sunlight and Anoraknophobia.   Then go with Season's End.  After that, you're kind of throwing darts in the dark. I like "Sounds That Can't Be Made" and "FEAR", but there are no guarantees.  I still think Somewhere Else and Less is Less both suck hard.   Not really a fan of Holidays, even if I like a couple songs (and it translates WAY better live than on record).   Happiness... is okay, but it's basically a two-disk mood record for me.

You are talkin my language man.

Why does it have to be so wildly all over the place with H-era? I enjoy a lot of the H stuff, but ultimately I prefer Fish, but if every H era album provided stuff on the level of Ocean cloud, then it wouldn't be such a landslide in fish's favor. And I don't mind them playing around with style, but give me something I really can sink my teeth into.

Ocean cloud, Invisible man, and brave stuff. That stuff draws me in and takes me away.

I do really dig Afraid of sunlight and Season end as well. Good stuff. I'll mess around more with Fear and sounds next. I was excited for those albums but they didn't grab me too much upon first listen.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on March 28, 2018, 01:43:37 PM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?

NO!   DO NOT BUY THEM ALL.   My biggest criticism of H-era Marillion  is that it is so up and down.   If you like Season's End or Clutching you probably do NOT like "Holidays In Eden", for example.  I consider myself a pretty hardcore Marillion fan (having been a fan since MC came out the first time) and I've seen them three times in the H-era (Fish four times solo), and I even bailed on them after This Strange Engine, because it sucked so hard.  Only the curiosity of Marbles (and it's subsequent quality, in my opinion) brought me back into the fold.  And then they almost lost me again with Somewhere Else, Happiness..., and Less is Less.   

If you like Brave and Marbles, stick with the Dave Meegan produced records:   go with Afraid of Sunlight and Anoraknophobia.   Then go with Season's End.  After that, you're kind of throwing darts in the dark. I like "Sounds That Can't Be Made" and "FEAR", but there are no guarantees.  I still think Somewhere Else and Less is Less both suck hard.   Not really a fan of Holidays, even if I like a couple songs (and it translates WAY better live than on record).   Happiness... is okay, but it's basically a two-disk mood record for me.

You are talkin my language man.

Why does it have to be so wildly all over the place with H-era? I enjoy a lot of the H stuff, but ultimately I prefer Fish, but if every H era album provided stuff on the level of Ocean cloud, then it wouldn't be such a landslide in fish's favor. And I don't mind them playing around with style, but give me something I really can sink my teeth into.

Ocean cloud, Invisible man, and brave stuff. That stuff draws me in and takes me away.

I do really dig Afraid of sunlight and Season end as well. Good stuff. I'll mess around more with Fear and sounds next. I was excited for those albums but they didn't grab me too much upon first listen.
Meh, don't listen to Stadler. He sits around all day eating stale Cheetos and listening to bootlegs of old Gene Simmons bass solo's.

I heard no one mention the album Marillion.com
That is an amazing album! The songs House and Interior Lulu alone make it worth the purchase.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on March 28, 2018, 06:17:01 PM
 There’s quite a few converts already, but the rest of you need to delve into IQs catalog immediately. Much more consistent. And in many cases even better.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on March 28, 2018, 08:55:20 PM
There’s quite a few converts already, but the rest of you need to delve into IQs catalog immediately. Much more consistent. And in many cases even better.

Agree 100%, but to each their own.  Marillion has some really high highs that I'd put up with anything IQ put out (CaS, Brave), but yes, IQ's run from Ever to present is an unparalleled six album run.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 29, 2018, 09:25:29 AM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?

NO!   DO NOT BUY THEM ALL.   My biggest criticism of H-era Marillion  is that it is so up and down.   If you like Season's End or Clutching you probably do NOT like "Holidays In Eden", for example.  I consider myself a pretty hardcore Marillion fan (having been a fan since MC came out the first time) and I've seen them three times in the H-era (Fish four times solo), and I even bailed on them after This Strange Engine, because it sucked so hard.  Only the curiosity of Marbles (and it's subsequent quality, in my opinion) brought me back into the fold.  And then they almost lost me again with Somewhere Else, Happiness..., and Less is Less.   

If you like Brave and Marbles, stick with the Dave Meegan produced records:   go with Afraid of Sunlight and Anoraknophobia.   Then go with Season's End.  After that, you're kind of throwing darts in the dark. I like "Sounds That Can't Be Made" and "FEAR", but there are no guarantees.  I still think Somewhere Else and Less is Less both suck hard.   Not really a fan of Holidays, even if I like a couple songs (and it translates WAY better live than on record).   Happiness... is okay, but it's basically a two-disk mood record for me.

You are talkin my language man.

Why does it have to be so wildly all over the place with H-era? I enjoy a lot of the H stuff, but ultimately I prefer Fish, but if every H era album provided stuff on the level of Ocean cloud, then it wouldn't be such a landslide in fish's favor. And I don't mind them playing around with style, but give me something I really can sink my teeth into.

Ocean cloud, Invisible man, and brave stuff. That stuff draws me in and takes me away.

I do really dig Afraid of sunlight and Season end as well. Good stuff. I'll mess around more with Fear and sounds next. I was excited for those albums but they didn't grab me too much upon first listen.
Meh, don't listen to Stadler. He sits around all day eating stale Cheetos and listening to bootlegs of old Gene Simmons bass solo's.

I heard no one mention the album Marillion.com
That is an amazing album! The songs House and Interior Lulu alone make it worth the purchase.

This is not entirely untrue.  But in my defense, those two notes are perfect!!  (If you've ever heard a Gene Simmons bass solo, you'll get that joke). 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on March 29, 2018, 10:06:12 AM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?

NO!   DO NOT BUY THEM ALL.   My biggest criticism of H-era Marillion  is that it is so up and down.   If you like Season's End or Clutching you probably do NOT like "Holidays In Eden", for example.  I consider myself a pretty hardcore Marillion fan (having been a fan since MC came out the first time) and I've seen them three times in the H-era (Fish four times solo), and I even bailed on them after This Strange Engine, because it sucked so hard.  Only the curiosity of Marbles (and it's subsequent quality, in my opinion) brought me back into the fold.  And then they almost lost me again with Somewhere Else, Happiness..., and Less is Less.   

If you like Brave and Marbles, stick with the Dave Meegan produced records:   go with Afraid of Sunlight and Anoraknophobia.   Then go with Season's End.  After that, you're kind of throwing darts in the dark. I like "Sounds That Can't Be Made" and "FEAR", but there are no guarantees.  I still think Somewhere Else and Less is Less both suck hard.   Not really a fan of Holidays, even if I like a couple songs (and it translates WAY better live than on record).   Happiness... is okay, but it's basically a two-disk mood record for me.

You are talkin my language man.

Why does it have to be so wildly all over the place with H-era? I enjoy a lot of the H stuff, but ultimately I prefer Fish, but if every H era album provided stuff on the level of Ocean cloud, then it wouldn't be such a landslide in fish's favor. And I don't mind them playing around with style, but give me something I really can sink my teeth into.

Ocean cloud, Invisible man, and brave stuff. That stuff draws me in and takes me away.

I do really dig Afraid of sunlight and Season end as well. Good stuff. I'll mess around more with Fear and sounds next. I was excited for those albums but they didn't grab me too much upon first listen.
Meh, don't listen to Stadler. He sits around all day eating stale Cheetos and listening to bootlegs of old Gene Simmons bass solo's.

I heard no one mention the album Marillion.com
That is an amazing album! The songs House and Interior Lulu alone make it worth the purchase.

This is not entirely untrue.  But in my defense, those two notes are perfect!!  (If you've ever heard a Gene Simmons bass solo, you'll get that joke).
I sure do get it!  :lol My first concert was Kiss in January of 1978. I have seen them many times and I'm a fan.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 29, 2018, 09:00:39 PM
So not sure if anyone else saw this, but Fish was announced for Cruise to the Edge, and in his FB post, he mentions it's "the best chance since 2008 of setting up a tour in the United States and Canada.If we can make this happen I will need as much support as I can possibly get with this as it wil be a huge endeavour. Lets keep our fingers crossed."

Damn! My wife is slacking. She didn't tell me about this. He's repeatedly said he was done with the US. We're there! Not the boat but Philly and NY definitely.  Screw the Marillion stuff I want to Feast of Consequences live.

Rothery's band could open for him.  This is great news if he can pull it off.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 29, 2018, 09:04:42 PM
I saw another post of his where it sounded like said tour would be a continuation of the CaS tour he just did, which would be just way too much for me.

It would be way too much for me too, but not in a good way. I'd have to bring my favorite Clutching official boot (Milan '88) and cleanse myself.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 29, 2018, 09:11:55 PM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?

NO!   DO NOT BUY THEM ALL.   My biggest criticism of H-era Marillion  is that it is so up and down.   If you like Season's End or Clutching you probably do NOT like "Holidays In Eden", for example.  I consider myself a pretty hardcore Marillion fan (having been a fan since MC came out the first time) and I've seen them three times in the H-era (Fish four times solo), and I even bailed on them after This Strange Engine, because it sucked so hard.  Only the curiosity of Marbles (and it's subsequent quality, in my opinion) brought me back into the fold.  And then they almost lost me again with Somewhere Else, Happiness..., and Less is Less.   

If you like Brave and Marbles, stick with the Dave Meegan produced records:   go with Afraid of Sunlight and Anoraknophobia.   Then go with Season's End.  After that, you're kind of throwing darts in the dark. I like "Sounds That Can't Be Made" and "FEAR", but there are no guarantees.  I still think Somewhere Else and Less is Less both suck hard.   Not really a fan of Holidays, even if I like a couple songs (and it translates WAY better live than on record).   Happiness... is okay, but it's basically a two-disk mood record for me.


Love Holidays In Eden and This Strange Engine is even better. I bailed on them as a huge collector with Brave and intentionally missed the next US Tour because of Brave and Afraid Of Sunlight. Not a fan of Less is More either, but there rest of are either masterpieces or they're in the same neighborhood as masterpieces.  But more often than not, I'd go with a live recording over a studio album anyway.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 29, 2018, 09:16:32 PM
There’s quite a few converts already, but the rest of you need to delve into IQs catalog immediately. Much more consistent. And in many cases even better.

Not into IQ at all. But then I never dug all but a few Fates Warning songs either.

The people who suggested it swore that if I liked Marillion and Dream Theater I'd love IQ and Fates Warning. I hear nothing but possible vague tangential similarities that don't approach the real deal.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on March 29, 2018, 09:47:44 PM
I haven’t heard everything yet.  I only have 4 albums, but all are stellar. 

May I ask what you heard?   Maybe there are albums I won’t like either.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 30, 2018, 08:39:10 AM
I haven’t heard everything yet.  I only have 4 albums, but all are stellar. 

May I ask what you heard?   Maybe there are albums I won’t like either.
Check your PM for a longer and more boring response to this.

I've heard  Ever, Subterranea, Dark Matter and Frequency. Dark Matter I actually held onto for a few years before selling it.

Ever was talked up to me to be "better than Misplaced Childhood." That may not have been the best of introductions as it was probably least favorite of those four that I have experience with.

I'm no bellwether on this band though.  They've been around nearly as long as Marillion (I guess that's a similarity.) So my experience has been very limited.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: NoseofNicko on April 03, 2018, 11:03:49 PM
So today I blind bought Marillion’s Marbles because it’s considered one of their best albums and I love their early albums. I already had it on my computer so I listened to it and really liked it, but then I realized the version of the album I bought is the 2 disc version which includes OCEAN FUCKING CLOUD! I can’t believe they released a version of that album that doesn’t include that song! What a fantastic fucking song!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Puppies_On_Acid on April 03, 2018, 11:10:01 PM
So today I blind bought Marillion’s Marbles because it’s considered one of their best albums and I love their early albums. I already had it on my computer so I listened to it and really liked it, but then I realized the version of the album I bought is the 2 disc version which includes OCEAN FUCKING CLOUD! I can’t believe they released a version of that album that doesn’t include that song! What a fantastic fucking song!
Ocean Cloud is so good! In my opinion the 2 disc version is what makes the album worth it. For example the 2 disc version is my favorite album of all time. The single disc version probably wouldn't crack my top 100.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 04, 2018, 05:34:20 AM
Ocean Cloud  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Fritzinger on April 04, 2018, 06:01:12 AM
Ocean Cloud is one of the best Marillion songs ever imo.

It is also one of the few Marillion 15min+ songs that follow a leitmotif, if not the only one. Most Marillion longtracks are just short songs played after another (Gaza, the ones on Fear, Montreal, Invisible Man, Grendel, Strange Engine, Interior Lulu). I am not saying these songs are bad, but Ocean Cloud is the only song which makes 100% sense as a SONG.

I will have to get the new Marbles vinyl version with the full album. I dont know why they would release only half the album and leave out the album's best song.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on April 04, 2018, 07:38:48 AM
So today I blind bought Marillion’s Marbles because it’s considered one of their best albums and I love their early albums. I already had it on my computer so I listened to it and really liked it, but then I realized the version of the album I bought is the 2 disc version which includes OCEAN FUCKING CLOUD! I can’t believe they released a version of that album that doesn’t include that song! What a fantastic fucking song!
Ocean Cloud is so good! In my opinion the 2 disc version is what makes the album worth it. For example the 2 disc version is my favorite album of all time. The single disc version probably wouldn't crack my top 100.

Still, Invisible Man and Neverland are also all-timers.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Puppies_On_Acid on April 04, 2018, 08:49:18 AM
So today I blind bought Marillion’s Marbles because it’s considered one of their best albums and I love their early albums. I already had it on my computer so I listened to it and really liked it, but then I realized the version of the album I bought is the 2 disc version which includes OCEAN FUCKING CLOUD! I can’t believe they released a version of that album that doesn’t include that song! What a fantastic fucking song!
Ocean Cloud is so good! In my opinion the 2 disc version is what makes the album worth it. For example the 2 disc version is my favorite album of all time. The single disc version probably wouldn't crack my top 100.

Still, Invisible Man and Neverland are also all-timers.
No doubt. I love those songs too. But I think the album suffers from not have The Only Unforgivable Thing, Ocean Cloud, and Angelina. The flow of the album makes more sense to me on the 2 disc version as well and makes the ending with Neverland much more powerful.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on April 04, 2018, 08:59:54 AM
Honestly?  I love Marbles, it got me back into the band after falling out with them over the abysmal "This Strange Engine", but after buying the two disk version, and hearing it, I was like "How could they put out a single version without "The Damage" and "Genie"???

I think Ocean Cloud is good, but it's in the top three of "Most Overrated Marillion Songs", along with Grendel and, maybe, Freaks.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on April 04, 2018, 09:03:35 AM
So today I blind bought Marillion’s Marbles because it’s considered one of their best albums and I love their early albums. I already had it on my computer so I listened to it and really liked it, but then I realized the version of the album I bought is the 2 disc version which includes OCEAN FUCKING CLOUD! I can’t believe they released a version of that album that doesn’t include that song! What a fantastic fucking song!
Ocean Cloud is so good! In my opinion the 2 disc version is what makes the album worth it. For example the 2 disc version is my favorite album of all time. The single disc version probably wouldn't crack my top 100.

Still, Invisible Man and Neverland are also all-timers.
No doubt. I love those songs too. But I think the album suffers from not have The Only Unforgivable Thing, Ocean Cloud, and Angelina. The flow of the album makes more sense to me on the 2 disc version as well and makes the ending with Neverland much more powerful.

I'm still not 1000% sure how each song fits, and even IF each song fits, but if you listen to Hogarth on the DVD, I think it's "Colors and Sound", I have reason to believe that "The Only Unforgivable Thing" is sort of the thematic key to the whole record.  He's never come clean on it, but I believe that Marbles is a document of Hogarth's marriage/divorce.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on April 04, 2018, 10:09:53 AM
There may be some significance as well in the fact that H quotes the opening lines of The Only Unforgivable Thing as his spoken contribution to Dream Theater's Repentance.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on April 04, 2018, 10:27:31 AM
So today I blind bought Marillion’s Marbles because it’s considered one of their best albums and I love their early albums. I already had it on my computer so I listened to it and really liked it, but then I realized the version of the album I bought is the 2 disc version which includes OCEAN FUCKING CLOUD! I can’t believe they released a version of that album that doesn’t include that song! What a fantastic fucking song!
Ocean Cloud is so good! In my opinion the 2 disc version is what makes the album worth it. For example the 2 disc version is my favorite album of all time. The single disc version probably wouldn't crack my top 100.

Still, Invisible Man and Neverland are also all-timers.
No doubt. I love those songs too. But I think the album suffers from not have The Only Unforgivable Thing, Ocean Cloud, and Angelina. The flow of the album makes more sense to me on the 2 disc version as well and makes the ending with Neverland much more powerful.

I'm still not 1000% sure how each song fits, and even IF each song fits, but if you listen to Hogarth on the DVD, I think it's "Colors and Sound", I have reason to believe that "The Only Unforgivable Thing" is sort of the thematic key to the whole record.  He's never come clean on it, but I believe that Marbles is a document of Hogarth's marriage/divorce.

From my album discussion on mp.com:

"I’ve often looked at Marbles as being two sides to a story, or a story that presents two different outcomes based on what choice is made.  For instance, Genie and The Damage present the choice scenarios, and the rest of each disc deals with what happens when those choices are made.  The disc one story begins with the character letting the genie out of the box by acting on his impulses to cheat on his significant other. The consequences being his marriage fails, which causes everything around him to crumble, and he’s left with nothing but bitterness, isolation, and feeling adrift on a vast ocean.  Disc two, he resists the urge to cheat on his wife, and in the end, realizes that he made the right decision.  Now, obviously there are different things going on, but it seems plausible."
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 05, 2018, 06:22:17 PM
Honestly?  I love Marbles, it got me back into the band after falling out with them over the abysmal "This Strange Engine", but after buying the two disk version, and hearing it, I was like "How could they put out a single version without "The Damage" and "Genie"???

I think Ocean Cloud is good, but it's in the top three of "Most Overrated Marillion Songs", along with Grendel and, maybe, Freaks.

Ocean Cloud is OK, but I never thought it was a stand out on that album. There's at least a few tracks I'd rather hear more...Neverland being one of them.

Grendel is probably my least favorite Fish-Marillion song while I Freaks is among my favorites.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on April 05, 2018, 09:45:12 PM
Most overrated Fish song to me goes to almost everything from Script. I just don’t get it.   I love MC, and love Clutching even more.   But what people see in The Web and Garden Party and Chelsea Monday....it just baffles me.   I really really like He Knows You Know.  But everything else from that album is either really meh and disjointed or just plain annoying.   

I suppose it doesn’t help that I really don’t like Fish’s voice.  But that doesn’t usually bother me that much.  I mean, Perry Farrell is a TERRIBLE singer, but for some reason I absolutely love Jane’s Addiction.   I guess that when “all the stars align” (to coin a term) the rest of what’s going on can overshadow that one weak point.   But on Script I just don’t see where everything else does that.  And it’s not just his voice that’s bad...sometimes his phrasing and timing is just not pleasant.    But all the cylinders fire perfectly on MC and CAS.  :shrug:

EDIT - I want to say that in spite of all that, I do still occasionally spin those albums because what Fish lacks in vocal talent, he makes up for in poetry.   I’ll give him that.   He’s a brilliant wordsmith.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 06, 2018, 11:04:46 AM
I'll confess, when it comes down to it and Epics from my favorite band, I still lean towards Grendel and Ocean Cloud along with The Invisible Man.

Then again Misplaced Childhood to me is a huge SUITE anyway, so that in a way is their best epic overall.

I made a list (https://allmediareviews.blogspot.com/2015/12/top-10-lists-watchmojocom-will-not-make.html) a few years ago anyway.


Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 16, 2018, 06:42:19 PM
Most overrated Fish song to me goes to almost everything from Script. I just don’t get it.   I love MC, and love Clutching even more.   But what people see in The Web and Garden Party and Chelsea Monday....it just baffles me.   I really really like He Knows You Know.  But everything else from that album is either really meh and disjointed or just plain annoying.   

I suppose it doesn’t help that I really don’t like Fish’s voice.  But that doesn’t usually bother me that much.  I mean, Perry Farrell is a TERRIBLE singer, but for some reason I absolutely love Jane’s Addiction.   I guess that when “all the stars align” (to coin a term) the rest of what’s going on can overshadow that one weak point.   But on Script I just don’t see where everything else does that.  And it’s not just his voice that’s bad...sometimes his phrasing and timing is just not pleasant.    But all the cylinders fire perfectly on MC and CAS.  :shrug:

EDIT - I want to say that in spite of all that, I do still occasionally spin those albums because what Fish lacks in vocal talent, he makes up for in poetry.   I’ll give him that.   He’s a brilliant wordsmith.

I don't really like the way the vocals were produced on Script.

 Part of that might have been the lack of experience of what they were trying to get at. The live gigs around that time were a different story. I think a lot of the time Fish just went for it and his incredible passion got him through. I sure don't wonder why his voice didn't hold up in later years.(Though not really taking care of his voice didn't help much either.)

I love those early live recordings. I'm not sure I even remember the last time I put that studio album on (Not really a fan of the whole production either.) I'm more inclined to just pull out one of the live gigs and just marvel at the band performance.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on May 21, 2018, 08:50:23 PM
I finally picked up FEAR.  I actually really like this record so far, but it's quite a bit to digest.   Only 6 songs, and 3 of them over 15 minutes?  One is almost 20?     And the longer pieces (on first listen) tend to meander a bit, but the individual sections are pretty strong.  I have a feeling it's going to grow on me.

Ironically, the weak point on this album is Hogarth.   When he's in his range, he's got beautiful tone.   But he occasionally hits some very sour "off key" notes on this one.   I'm not sure if he left these in intentionally (because the occasional voice crack can be just an emotional moment), but I noticed a few and I just found them a bit grating. 

Going back to the IQ comparison, I will say that Peter Nichols started out sounding like an amatuer, but his voice has matured so amazing that I would say it's the greatest improvement of "younger self vs older self" that I've ever heard.   Hogarth OTOH started out being a huge improvement over Fish (singing talent wise) and has now started to show some serious signs of wear.   

All in all, it's still a pretty good album and I'm sure it's going to grow on me.     (IQ's last two albums are still better.   :rollin )
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on May 21, 2018, 09:14:23 PM
 

Going back to the IQ comparison, I will say that Peter Nichols started out sounding like an amatuer, but his voice has matured so amazing that I would say it's the greatest improvement of "younger self vs older self" that I've ever heard.   Hogarth OTOH started out being a huge improvement over Fish (singing talent wise) and has now started to show some serious signs of wear.   

All in all, it's still a pretty good album and I'm sure it's going to grow on me.     (IQ's last two albums are still better.   :rollin )

Yeah, the change that happened to Nichols in the period where he left the band for Nadim's Ghost is shocking to say the least. His growth between The Wake and Ever made me speechless when I heard it. (my first IQ album was actually Are You Sitting Comfortably, a Paul Menel album, and I worked my way back to the Nichols albums before Ever came out)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on May 21, 2018, 10:56:38 PM
 

Going back to the IQ comparison, I will say that Peter Nichols started out sounding like an amatuer, but his voice has matured so amazing that I would say it's the greatest improvement of "younger self vs older self" that I've ever heard.   Hogarth OTOH started out being a huge improvement over Fish (singing talent wise) and has now started to show some serious signs of wear.   

All in all, it's still a pretty good album and I'm sure it's going to grow on me.     (IQ's last two albums are still better.   :rollin )

Yeah, the change that happened to Nichols in the period where he left the band for Nadim's Ghost is shocking to say the least. His growth between The Wake and Ever made me speechless when I heard it. (my first IQ album was actually Are You Sitting Comfortably, a Paul Menel album, and I worked my way back to the Nichols albums before Ever came out)

Where you REALLY see the difference is when you hear modern live versions of older material.   I just recently saw a (fairly recent) live performance of Last Human Gateway, and right from the intro it was obvious how much he had improved from his younger self.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on May 22, 2018, 08:25:09 AM
Totally man. Really hoping he bust a few older tracks out when I see them in October, I'd love to hear the middle part of Human Gateway or Enemy Smacks as a treat. Whatever I get I'll be pleased with, but a man can wish, right?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 26, 2018, 01:06:21 PM
I finally picked up FEAR.  I actually really like this record so far, but it's quite a bit to digest.   Only 6 songs, and 3 of them over 15 minutes?  One is almost 20?     And the longer pieces (on first listen) tend to meander a bit, but the individual sections are pretty strong.  I have a feeling it's going to grow on me.

Ironically, the weak point on this album is Hogarth.   When he's in his range, he's got beautiful tone.   But he occasionally hits some very sour "off key" notes on this one.   I'm not sure if he left these in intentionally (because the occasional voice crack can be just an emotional moment), but I noticed a few and I just found them a bit grating. 


Not that I don't love the studio album (I do and it's a favorite) but the real genius of this album comes across live (For me anyway)

I generally don't have much of an opinion on long songs other than I think the really amazing ones seem to be over before they should be and the ones that aren't are fairly easy to notice. But your mileage may vary.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 26, 2018, 03:48:03 PM

Ironically, the weak point on this album is Hogarth.   When he's in his range, he's got beautiful tone.   But he occasionally hits some very sour "off key" notes on this one.   I'm not sure if he left these in intentionally (because the occasional voice crack can be just an emotional moment), but I noticed a few and I just found them a bit grating. 


I find it really refreshing to hear a singer who doesnt artificially perfect all of his singing in the studio.  For a 60 year old giving a very honest and unenhanced performance I think he does great.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on May 31, 2018, 04:40:50 PM
Marillion reference in the second season of Shooter on Netflix, Ep5, about 29 minutes in. They namedrop the band with Brave playing in the background. Earlier in the episode the guy is trying to prove his identity by asking the question "who is the greatest band ever?"

Someone on the show is a huge fan  :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on May 31, 2018, 07:59:51 PM
They got name-dropped on Sports Center once; I want to say it was John Buccigross, but I could be wrong. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 02, 2018, 09:17:47 AM

Ironically, the weak point on this album is Hogarth.   When he's in his range, he's got beautiful tone.   But he occasionally hits some very sour "off key" notes on this one.   I'm not sure if he left these in intentionally (because the occasional voice crack can be just an emotional moment), but I noticed a few and I just found them a bit grating. 


I find it really refreshing to hear a singer who doesnt artificially perfect all of his singing in the studio.  For a 60 year old giving a very honest and unenhanced performance I think he does great.

Other than Season's End, Holidays In Eden, This Strange Engine, Radiation and Marbles I really haven't liked Hogarth's voice until about 5 years ago.   For me, I think he's settled into a nice sweet spot, especially live.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 04, 2018, 02:30:36 AM
Listening to Afraid of sunlight now and I finally get why everybody loves this one so much. It's a real thing of beauty. Hogarth's albums have always been a hit or miss with me, but this one, Season's End, Brave and sounds that can't be made are all great.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Fritzinger on June 04, 2018, 03:08:44 AM
Listening to Afraid of sunlight now and I finally get why everybody loves this one so much. It's a real thing of beauty. Hogarth's albums have always been a hit or miss with me, but this one, Season's End, Brave and sounds that can't be made are all great.

I don't know everything by them yet (most of it though), but I always liked the H era more than the Fish era. While the Fish era was always very (very) Genesis inspired, I feel like they found their own sound with H. Sounds That Can't Be Made, Marbles (duh), Anoraknophobia and Happiness Is The Road (just good pop stuff) are my favorites. For me it's not a hit of miss for albums though. Sometimes there are great songs on albums I otherwise don't care for.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on June 04, 2018, 07:07:55 AM
Listening to Afraid of sunlight now and I finally get why everybody loves this one so much. It's a real thing of beauty. Hogarth's albums have always been a hit or miss with me, but this one, Season's End, Brave and sounds that can't be made are all great.

AoS was my first Marillion album.  It's not my favorite one, but it's got a lot of good tracks on it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 04, 2018, 07:37:02 AM
Listening to Afraid of sunlight now and I finally get why everybody loves this one so much. It's a real thing of beauty. Hogarth's albums have always been a hit or miss with me, but this one, Season's End, Brave and sounds that can't be made are all great.

I don't know everything by them yet (most of it though), but I always liked the H era more than the Fish era. While the Fish era was always very (very) Genesis inspired, I feel like they found their own sound with H. Sounds That Can't Be Made, Marbles (duh), Anoraknophobia and Happiness Is The Road (just good pop stuff) are my favorites. For me it's not a hit of miss for albums though. Sometimes there are great songs on albums I otherwise don't care for.

No, no, no.    Yes, Fish sounded a little like a cross between Gabriel and Collins, and you have moments - the ending section of Grendel, the intro to "He Knows You Know", but Fish-era Marillion was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more influenced by Pink Floyd than Genesis (this is, in my opinion, why there is a Floyd album on the cover to "Fugazi" and not a "Genesis" album).  Hell, the Sugar Mice solo is almost a direct lift of "Mother". 

I was in on Marillion since about '84, '85, so for me, going through the breakup, it was tough.  I LOVED Season's End (saw the tour), but HATED Holiday's In Eden (saw that tour as well).    I really liked Brave but it took a while to get into, and honestly I hated, HATED Afraid... when I first heard it.  Then I REALLY hated "This Strange Engine", so much so that I gave up on Marillion until Marbles came out.  To this day I still hate TSE, though Afraid... has grown on me, and around the time of the two-disk remasters, it really clicked with me and now it's one of my favorites. 

I rarely ever say this about any band, but I think I wish Marillion to work with Dave Meegan again as much or moreso than I would ever want them to work with Fish again (I love Fish, seen him three times solo, but I just think he's a spent force creatively at this point).   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on June 04, 2018, 07:37:58 PM
Meegan very clearly brings out the best in the band.  The 4 albums he's done with them are my 4 favorite Marilliom albums.  Would be stoked for them to hook up with him again but also nervous of such an unbelievable track record being tarnished.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 05, 2018, 01:25:01 AM
What Fish lacked in vocal skills he made up for in spades with expression and theatrics. I can't see Hogarth in a harlequin costume and facepaint, for some reason. What I especially like about the sound on AOS is that the band almost sounds like Classic Marillion.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 05, 2018, 06:46:34 PM
Listening to Afraid of sunlight now and I finally get why everybody loves this one so much. It's a real thing of beauty. Hogarth's albums have always been a hit or miss with me, but this one, Season's End, Brave and sounds that can't be made are all great.

I've kind of had an epiphany with Afraid of Sunlight over the last five years or so.

Didn't like Brave at all and then this comes out. Cannibal Surf Babe?  Really?  Pretty much killed the Marillion collector instinct I once had.

The only song I really liked out of the box was King and maybe Gazpacho.  It took a few times hearing some of the songs live for them to register a pulse for me. (Still not happening with Brave although the songs are a LITTLE better.) So I guess I consider about half of the album now to be pretty much classic Hogarth-Marillion for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 05, 2018, 06:54:17 PM
I love Fish, seen him three times solo, but I just think he's a spent force creatively at this point).

I feel pretty confident in saying you haven't listened to Feast of Consequences or The Movable Feast (The live album) yet. I think he's at a creative peak myself.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 05, 2018, 07:45:23 PM
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Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 05, 2018, 08:26:35 PM
I love Fish, seen him three times solo, but I just think he's a spent force creatively at this point).

I feel pretty confident in saying you haven't listened to Feast of Consequences or The Movable Feast (The live album) yet. I think he's at a creative peak myself.

Yeah, the High Wood Suite is one of his strongest pieces ever.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 06, 2018, 09:32:11 AM
I have FoC (despite what I said, I support Fish as an artist, and while I don't buy everything, I do try to buy his main releases just as a show of support), and it's okay.   I'd be more than willing to go back and re-listen to it.   13th Star was pretty good.  I liked it very much even if the surrounding drama seemed to overwhelm it a little bit.   

As for Afraid of Sunlight, I was with you on the "Cannibal Surf Babe"; it was for many years the "Whodunnit?" of the Marillion catalogue for me.  Then I dug into the song and what they were going for - a Beach Boys pastiche with a rather dissonant lyric about, well, I'm not 1000% sure, beyond the Brian Wilson references - and it made a lot more sense.   I actually like it now.   That whole album is WAYY deeper than it seems on the surface, what with the lyrical content (generally about the down- or dark-side of fame) and the sonic homages (one song, I think it's King, is in a mono "Wall of Sound" arrangement, ala Phil Spector)...  it's really grown on me.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on June 06, 2018, 01:50:08 PM

As for Afraid of Sunlight, I was with you on the "Cannibal Surf Babe"; it was for many years the "Whodunnit?" of the Marillion catalogue for me.  Then I dug into the song and what they were going for - a Beach Boys pastiche with a rather dissonant lyric about, well, I'm not 1000% sure, beyond the Brian Wilson references - and it made a lot more sense.   I actually like it now.   That whole album is WAYY deeper than it seems on the surface, what with the lyrical content (generally about the down- or dark-side of fame) and the sonic homages (one song, I think it's King, is in a mono "Wall of Sound" arrangement, ala Phil Spector)...  it's really grown on me.

Beyond You is the one mixed in mono.  Dave Meegan really nailed the Phil Spector wall of sound vibe. 

I've loved AOS since my first listen on a bus in the Netherlands in the summer of 1995.  One of my favorite music listening experiences happened a few years later when I got to listen to it on headphones while driving from Las Vegas to the Grand Canyon.  In the remaster liner notes Hogarth talks about how the album sort of drifted off in the general direction of Arizona.  Listening to it while driving through Northern Arizona, I had to agree.  I'd also like to listen to it while driving from Los Angeles to Vegas.  I think it would be the perfect soundtrack for that. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on June 12, 2018, 08:25:04 AM
I picked up the Steven Wilson remix of Brave this past weekend, and I'm listening to it for the first time this morning.  It's interesting to hear this after being so familiar with the original album mix.  It's interesting to hear his take on things, and hear little bits and pieces he brought out that Dave Meegan either didn't use or kept in the background.  I watched the documentary on it last night as well, and man, if I could have been a fly on the wall during those sessions...

Brave is in my top 5 all time favorite albums.  I love the songs, I love the album, I love all the little bits of things they did to add to the vibe of the record.  I really think they made a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: DTA on June 12, 2018, 02:30:13 PM
I'm always so jealous of bands that were able to record in the 80's/90's. I know Brave was recorded in a castle in France somewhere and the band just stayed in the castle and utilized the vibe/ambience of the place to help influence the recording. Or Dream Theater living at Beartracks in beautiful upstate NY. I record in a goddamn bedroom.

I really want to hear the Brave remix but I just can't get myself to spend the money for something I already own.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on June 12, 2018, 05:48:16 PM
I'm always so jealous of bands that were able to record in the 80's/90's. I know Brave was recorded in a castle in France somewhere and the band just stayed in the castle and utilized the vibe/ambience of the place to help influence the recording.

I can definitely hear that in the title track..
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 13, 2018, 07:38:35 PM
I have FoC (despite what I said, I support Fish as an artist, and while I don't buy everything, I do try to buy his main releases just as a show of support), and it's okay.   I'd be more than willing to go back and re-listen to it.   13th Star was pretty good.  I liked it very much even if the surrounding drama seemed to overwhelm it a little bit.   

As for Afraid of Sunlight, I was with you on the "Cannibal Surf Babe"; it was for many years the "Whodunnit?" of the Marillion catalogue for me.  Then I dug into the song and what they were going for - a Beach Boys pastiche with a rather dissonant lyric about, well, I'm not 1000% sure, beyond the Brian Wilson references - and it made a lot more sense.   I actually like it now.   That whole album is WAYY deeper than it seems on the surface, what with the lyrical content (generally about the down- or dark-side of fame) and the sonic homages (one song, I think it's King, is in a mono "Wall of Sound" arrangement, ala Phil Spector)...  it's really grown on me.

Aside from the obvious. A lot of those songs are pretty amazing live after some repeated listens.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 13, 2018, 07:41:20 PM
I picked up the Steven Wilson remix of Brave this past weekend, and I'm listening to it for the first time this morning.  It's interesting to hear this after being so familiar with the original album mix.  It's interesting to hear his take on things, and hear little bits and pieces he brought out that Dave Meegan either didn't use or kept in the background.  I watched the documentary on it last night as well, and man, if I could have been a fly on the wall during those sessions...

Brave is in my top 5 all time favorite albums.  I love the songs, I love the album, I love all the little bits of things they did to add to the vibe of the record.  I really think they made a masterpiece.



This is the only Marillion album I will not be reacquiring.


I should probably sell off my promo cassette now that I think of it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 13, 2018, 07:43:11 PM
I love Fish, seen him three times solo, but I just think he's a spent force creatively at this point).

I feel pretty confident in saying you haven't listened to Feast of Consequences or The Movable Feast (The live album) yet. I think he's at a creative peak myself.

Yeah, the High Wood Suite is one of his strongest pieces ever.

Sadly, I don't think I'll ever have the experience of soaking that in at a venue.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 28, 2018, 11:08:28 AM
brief update on the final Fish album "Weltschmerz"
https://fishmusic.scot/weltschmerz-updates-waverley-steps-lyric-section/

50 minutes of music have been written, approximately.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 29, 2018, 01:51:32 AM
That looks very promising!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 29, 2018, 08:40:44 AM
I love Fish, seen him three times solo, but I just think he's a spent force creatively at this point).

I feel pretty confident in saying you haven't listened to Feast of Consequences or The Movable Feast (The live album) yet. I think he's at a creative peak myself.

Yeah, the High Wood Suite is one of his strongest pieces ever.
It is awesome! Even if one of the tracks sounds like the theme from Gilligans island!  :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 30, 2018, 12:41:35 PM
brief update on the final Fish album "Weltschmerz"
https://fishmusic.scot/weltschmerz-updates-waverley-steps-lyric-section/

50 minutes of music have been written, approximately.

I hope he takes his time with it. I'd want the last one to be as best as it can be.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on August 14, 2018, 03:12:39 PM
I touched the lizard...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on August 14, 2018, 03:17:13 PM
I touched the lizard...

with the crimson veil?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on August 14, 2018, 03:22:12 PM
(https://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r47/jammindude/FE5BD51A-AFDF-479A-8FAD-A610C6DF55C5_zpstye2ah3i.jpg)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ProfessorPeart on September 06, 2018, 02:20:13 PM
Clutching At Straws Deluxe Edition. This is a remix and remaster.

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/remast43.htm

(https://www.marillion.com/prodimages//prod/2008.jpg)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on September 06, 2018, 03:44:46 PM
Ordered mine today from Marillion”s site.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 06, 2018, 06:16:02 PM
Clutching At Straws Deluxe Edition. This is a remix and remaster.

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/remast43.htm

(https://www.marillion.com/prodimages//prod/2008.jpg)

I don't drool over much these days, but the full Edinburgh gig has me all wet.

12 weeks away.....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on September 09, 2018, 08:07:57 PM
Is that unreleased?  Was there another gig in Edinburgh released? Or tracks from it?  It sounds familiar, but I didn't see it in my 1,429 Marillion CDs.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Puppies_On_Acid on September 09, 2018, 08:50:27 PM
my 1,429 Marillion CDs.
I know this is an exaggeration, but still, Marillion has over 220 official releases, including EP's, live releases, and singles. This doesn't include the over 100 bootlegs floating around out there or compilations...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 10, 2018, 03:22:26 AM
my 1,429 Marillion CDs.
I know this is an exaggeration, but still, Marillion has over 220 official releases, including EP's, live releases, and singles. This doesn't include the over 100 bootlegs floating around out there or compilations...

And that's one of the reasons I love 'em. Other bands could learn a thing or two about how to release high-quality live albums to a relatively small fanbase (I'm looking at you, DT...)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on September 10, 2018, 06:22:00 AM
Clutching At Straws Deluxe Edition. This is a remix and remaster.

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/remast43.htm

(https://www.marillion.com/prodimages//prod/2008.jpg)
Preordered!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on September 10, 2018, 09:48:32 AM
Preordered from Fish
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 12, 2018, 05:45:25 AM
new Fish single

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoVXsj__jbY
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 13, 2018, 05:34:49 PM
Is that unreleased?  Was there another gig in Edinburgh released? Or tracks from it?  It sounds familiar, but I didn't see it in my 1,429 Marillion CDs.

A few tracks ended up on Thieving Magpie and that show may have been an edited radio broadcast. (Not near that shelf)

They have played Edinburgh quite a bit as you might expect.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 13, 2018, 05:44:06 PM
Preordered from Fish

As with Misplaced Childhood, I pre-ordered from both. 

Personally, I needed to have these two deluxe releases signed by everyone who was a part of it. (And yes I know the band is just doing a print. Too bad they couldn't have coordinated this better to make it work (like the print from Early Stages) but Fish will be on tour.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 30, 2018, 04:16:31 PM
So Steve Rothery Band has a gig coming up in Uden next week, and just posted this quick clip from the rehearsal. Seems they're busting out some really old stuff...

https://www.facebook.com/therealsteverothery/videos/10157851421335968/ (https://www.facebook.com/therealsteverothery/videos/10157851421335968/)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: DTA on September 30, 2018, 04:32:27 PM
I think it’s so cool that Steve is cool with doing tons of Fish era stuff in his solo band sets. I feel like lots of musicians are hesitant about playing older material or stuff from a different era, but he seems to be embracing it and enjoying it. It’s like having two versions of Marillion but with an actual original member.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 04, 2018, 05:31:12 PM
So Steve Rothery Band has a gig coming up in Uden next week, and just posted this quick clip from the rehearsal. Seems they're busting out some really old stuff...

https://www.facebook.com/therealsteverothery/videos/10157851421335968/ (https://www.facebook.com/therealsteverothery/videos/10157851421335968/)

That's what he's been doing. He's the only one who I think should even be attempting that stuff now.

Closest he's coming to me is Mexico so I'm never going to see him.

By the way, the new Fish EP is pretty amazing, The first thing that hooked me was the live tracks and then the 3 studio tracks in reverse order. lead seems to be weaker than the others but even that is growing on me.

 I need a live DVD like now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 04, 2018, 11:05:13 AM
Anyone get their signed Clutching print yet?  Got mine this week as a reminder that I'm going to have this in my hands in just a few weeks.

It's similar to the signed print for the Early Stages box. I just wish circumstances allowed for Fish to sign the same one. Would have been nice to have the signatures in the same place again this time, but I guess that's how it's going to have to be. I can live with Fish signing his copy. I'd have preferred Marillion do the same like they did with Misplaced Childhood, but another framed print wouldn't look bad hanging on the wall either.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 10, 2018, 08:57:29 AM
Apparently, these are shipping early. Just got notification. Anyone get there's yet?  I think I'm going to enjoy the live show first, then dig into the documentary.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on November 26, 2018, 06:54:48 AM
Mark Kelly had to miss last night's show in Essen after being hit by a truck. Four broken ribs. https://www.loudersound.com/news/marillions-mark-kelly-misses-show-after-being-hit-by-truck?fbclid=IwAR1v6R4UeBzKctv7OtSCnJou01KMoLbirqLTf3RhinTMbBKhbOcp93lSJJ8 (https://www.loudersound.com/news/marillions-mark-kelly-misses-show-after-being-hit-by-truck?fbclid=IwAR1v6R4UeBzKctv7OtSCnJou01KMoLbirqLTf3RhinTMbBKhbOcp93lSJJ8)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 03, 2018, 04:19:40 PM
Mark Kelly had to miss last night's show in Essen after being hit by a truck. Four broken ribs. https://www.loudersound.com/news/marillions-mark-kelly-misses-show-after-being-hit-by-truck?fbclid=IwAR1v6R4UeBzKctv7OtSCnJou01KMoLbirqLTf3RhinTMbBKhbOcp93lSJJ8 (https://www.loudersound.com/news/marillions-mark-kelly-misses-show-after-being-hit-by-truck?fbclid=IwAR1v6R4UeBzKctv7OtSCnJou01KMoLbirqLTf3RhinTMbBKhbOcp93lSJJ8)

He went out for a few pints with Trewavas so I'm glad he's OK.

Edinburgh is a KILLER show.  Don't know if it beats Milan but it's in the same neighborhood. I love that intro to Fugazi. 

The doc is a bit of a letdown. The guy who wrote the first Marillion bio Mick Wall seemed to be asking "rock star" questions and Marillion aren't that.

The Clutching remix is interesting. Kind of revisionist, but it's a cool listen now and again.

That live show is the gem though for me.

Still waiting on the signed one from Fish.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on December 04, 2018, 07:30:36 AM
I ordered from Fish too; I got the EP within about three days (Edinburgh to Hartford, CT; that's INSANE.)   But he posted a picture of his wife with a table full of Clutching sets, so I think they are coming soon!

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 06, 2018, 04:56:00 PM
I ordered from Fish too; I got the EP within about three days (Edinburgh to Hartford, CT; that's INSANE.)   But he posted a picture of his wife with a table full of Clutching sets, so I think they are coming soon!

They day after I saw that photo the copy I got from Marillion showed up. I wasn't getting antsy about it until I saw that photo. Fortunately I only had to wait a day.

That EP is a grower.  I really like it now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 11, 2018, 05:33:11 PM
I ordered from Fish too; I got the EP within about three days (Edinburgh to Hartford, CT; that's INSANE.)   But he posted a picture of his wife with a table full of Clutching sets, so I think they are coming soon!

They day after I saw that photo the copy I got from Marillion showed up. I wasn't getting antsy about it until I saw that photo. Fortunately I only had to wait a day.

That EP is a grower.  I really like it now.

Fish's signed copy arrived yesterday.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: hockeydude25 on March 13, 2019, 06:22:29 PM
Bitter Suite from misplaced childhood is an incredible song.  So atmospheric.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 19, 2019, 08:17:31 PM
Bitter Suite from misplaced childhood is an incredible song.  So atmospheric.

The whole album is a stone cold masterpiece.....especially live.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 20, 2019, 06:35:26 AM
Bitter Suite from misplaced childhood is an incredible song.  So atmospheric.

The whole album is a stone cold masterpiece.....especially live.

No doubt, and then the band goes and tops it with Clutching (As of yesterday, a Top Three Stadler album of all time).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: KevShmev on March 20, 2019, 08:03:06 AM
I've come around to liking some of Marillion's music, after initially being bored to tears with it, and I would agree that Bitter Suite is very good. The back-to-back of that and Heart of Lothian is, for me, the highlight of Misplaced Childhood.  The rest of the album is solid, with some good moments like the end of Blind Curve, but I think I have a tough time connecting with Fish's vocals.  There are too many moments where I feel like the vocal melodies hold the song back, almost like a more emotional delivery could have really made a difference; Fish's style is too sterile for me, more often than not.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 20, 2019, 10:43:27 AM
I've come around to liking some of Marillion's music, after initially being bored to tears with it, and I would agree that Bitter Suite is very good. The back-to-back of that and Heart of Lothian is, for me, the highlight of Misplaced Childhood.  The rest of the album is solid, with some good moments like the end of Blind Curve, but I think I have a tough time connecting with Fish's vocals.  There are too many moments where I feel like the vocal melodies hold the song back, almost like a more emotional delivery could have really made a difference; Fish's style is too sterile for me, more often than not.

If you replace "Fish" with "Hogarth", that's me, even if the moments where Hogarth shines eclipses those of Fish.  Fish couldn't sing "The Space" on his best day, but there's something about the passion and fire of "White Russian" or "Wide Boys" is really satisfying.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 22, 2019, 08:52:28 PM
Bitter Suite from misplaced childhood is an incredible song.  So atmospheric.

The whole album is a stone cold masterpiece.....especially live.

No doubt, and then the band goes and tops it with Clutching (As of yesterday, a Top Three Stadler album of all time).

Not going to argue that having repeated listened to it and shows from that tour on many many many late night drives back home from somewhere.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 22, 2019, 08:57:10 PM
I've come around to liking some of Marillion's music, after initially being bored to tears with it, and I would agree that Bitter Suite is very good. The back-to-back of that and Heart of Lothian is, for me, the highlight of Misplaced Childhood.  The rest of the album is solid, with some good moments like the end of Blind Curve, but I think I have a tough time connecting with Fish's vocals.  There are too many moments where I feel like the vocal melodies hold the song back, almost like a more emotional delivery could have really made a difference; Fish's style is too sterile for me, more often than not.

If you replace "Fish" with "Hogarth", that's me, even if the moments where Hogarth shines eclipses those of Fish.  Fish couldn't sing "The Space" on his best day, but there's something about the passion and fire of "White Russian" or "Wide Boys" is really satisfying.

Fish can't sing, but that really isn't the point is it......

Hogarth has gotten better with age even though he still shouldn't touch any Fish songs now just as Fish shouldn't touch any Marillion songs anymore either.

And with the track record since then, there's really no reason to bother.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 25, 2019, 03:52:21 PM
bump.

I've never seen this before.

Fish with Phil Collins and Paul Carrack at Nelson Mandela's 70th Birthday celebration at Wembley in 1988.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXzpC5cYXbI
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 28, 2019, 12:49:02 PM
bump.

I've never seen this before.

Fish with Phil Collins and Paul Carrack at Nelson Mandela's 70th Birthday celebration at Wembley in 1988.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXzpC5cYXbI

Forgot about this one. Yet one more reminder about how big this band really was in Europe back then.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: T-ski on April 28, 2019, 04:19:22 PM
bump.

I've never seen this before.

Fish with Phil Collins and Paul Carrack at Nelson Mandela's 70th Birthday celebration at Wembley in 1988.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXzpC5cYXbI

what, no love for Mark Brzezicki?

also, who wore it better, Fish or Bam Bam Bigelow?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 05, 2019, 04:13:42 PM
bump.

I've never seen this before.

Fish with Phil Collins and Paul Carrack at Nelson Mandela's 70th Birthday celebration at Wembley in 1988.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXzpC5cYXbI

what, no love for Mark Brzezicki?

also, who wore it better, Fish or Bam Bam Bigelow?

Big Country is another great band.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 11, 2019, 06:05:27 PM
Listened to Somewhere Else again earlier today and realized I don't have too much from that tour.

Is there a complete tour date listing online somewhere?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 18, 2019, 10:49:48 AM
bump.

I always knew about the tour with Rush in 1986, but I am almost shocked to learn Marillion also opened for Rush for 4 of 5 nights in 1983 at Radio City Music Hall, lol.  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie95bwwZbfs&fbclid=IwAR1YtVtut6TRXnQ3p9HDinUfZv36p5rUAJzPsIJ_mPntADWQm7ljU73BWRE&app=desktop
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 24, 2019, 04:47:21 PM
bump.

I always knew about the tour with Rush in 1986, but I am almost shocked to learn Marillion also opened for Rush for 4 of 5 nights in 1983 at Radio City Music Hall, lol.  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie95bwwZbfs&fbclid=IwAR1YtVtut6TRXnQ3p9HDinUfZv36p5rUAJzPsIJ_mPntADWQm7ljU73BWRE&app=desktop

Yes they did. If I'm not mistaken three of those five might have surfaced although the sound quality leaves a bit to be desired.  Did they just give up on the fifth night? (now I need to check my Marillion bios.) There is some audible negativity on the recordings but not as much as the legend seems to indicate (Though if there were visual incidents going on the audio would have captured that obviously.)

To this day I don't think Fish has talked much about it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 30, 2019, 08:14:20 AM
bump.

WITH FRIENDS FROM THE ORCHESTRA can be ordered now.

"PLEASE NOTE, WE EXPECT TO BEGIN SHIPPING THIS ITEM ON OR AROUND 9TH OCTOBER."

http://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/intactcd19.htm
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 01, 2019, 02:11:37 AM
Damn this is so fucking perfect...Estonia from With Friends from the Orchestra...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1UEHTMHkxM&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2aBVFNNDBzcmyz_2EvfGCgqUs3C-Dmo32Wqja3wBigVJGbxaYmBgsLzT8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1UEHTMHkxM&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2aBVFNNDBzcmyz_2EvfGCgqUs3C-Dmo32Wqja3wBigVJGbxaYmBgsLzT8)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 02, 2019, 07:05:02 PM
bump.

WITH FRIENDS FROM THE ORCHESTRA can be ordered now.

"PLEASE NOTE, WE EXPECT TO BEGIN SHIPPING THIS ITEM ON OR AROUND 9TH OCTOBER."

http://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/intactcd19.htm

Woke up  yesterday to my wife saying there was a "new" album and she already preordered it.

Had no idea this was even a concept.

I guess they need a placeholder while they think about what to do next. I'd love to see a tour with an orchestra but there's no way anything like this hits the US.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on October 02, 2019, 07:46:00 PM
bump.

WITH FRIENDS FROM THE ORCHESTRA can be ordered now.

"PLEASE NOTE, WE EXPECT TO BEGIN SHIPPING THIS ITEM ON OR AROUND 9TH OCTOBER."

http://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/intactcd19.htm

Woke up  yesterday to my wife saying there was a "new" album and she already preordered it.

Had no idea this was even a concept.

I guess they need a placeholder while they think about what to do next. I'd love to see a tour with an orchestra but there's no way anything like this hits the US.

Honestly, this is a slightly better idea than the acoustic/stripped down album they released several years ago. Now that they've done both of those ideas, what's next on the checklist of non-new-material-studio-album cliches they can do? All covers album?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Fritzinger on October 03, 2019, 02:43:42 AM
bump.

WITH FRIENDS FROM THE ORCHESTRA can be ordered now.

"PLEASE NOTE, WE EXPECT TO BEGIN SHIPPING THIS ITEM ON OR AROUND 9TH OCTOBER."

http://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/intactcd19.htm

Woke up  yesterday to my wife saying there was a "new" album and she already preordered it.

Had no idea this was even a concept.

I guess they need a placeholder while they think about what to do next. I'd love to see a tour with an orchestra but there's no way anything like this hits the US.

Honestly, this is a slightly better idea than the acoustic/stripped down album they released several years ago. Now that they've done both of those ideas, what's next on the checklist of non-new-material-studio-album cliches they can do? All covers album?

-Marc.

I hope not. There are very few examples where I love stripped down/unplugged/re-arranged versions of own songs or cover albums.
Pain Of Salvation's Falling Home has some awesome songs (Holy Diver? Holy shit!), Scratch My Back by Gabriel is a masterpiece, Cover Version by Steven Wilson is pretty cool... But apart from that... I don't need that kind of stuff.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on October 03, 2019, 05:55:49 AM
interview with the Steve's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=nkrMJS-8ctQ
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 05, 2019, 10:56:43 AM
interview with the Steve's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=nkrMJS-8ctQ

Thanks. Seems so strange to hear them acknowledge that the band may not be around forever, but that is the reality.  Can't wait for Steve's next solo album. It's going to be awesome!  Don't know how he'll top his last one but I'm sure he will.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 05, 2019, 11:00:18 AM
bump.

WITH FRIENDS FROM THE ORCHESTRA can be ordered now.

"PLEASE NOTE, WE EXPECT TO BEGIN SHIPPING THIS ITEM ON OR AROUND 9TH OCTOBER."

http://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/intactcd19.htm

Woke up  yesterday to my wife saying there was a "new" album and she already preordered it.

Had no idea this was even a concept.

I guess they need a placeholder while they think about what to do next. I'd love to see a tour with an orchestra but there's no way anything like this hits the US.

Honestly, this is a slightly better idea than the acoustic/stripped down album they released several years ago. Now that they've done both of those ideas, what's next on the checklist of non-new-material-studio-album cliches they can do? All covers album?

-Marc.

I really didn't like Less Is More much.  Right there with Brave at the bottom for me.

Although I should really pull it off of the shelf again to see if I still feel that way. It's been easily more than a year since I've heard it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 02, 2019, 11:31:47 AM
Anyone get "With Friends From The Orchestra?"

I honestly didn't think it would be this good. It's kicking my ass.  Of course Europe and the UK get to witness this stuff live.

Hopefully we'll at least see a DVD out of it.

Have to admit I was a bit skeptical because Less Is More didn't do a lot for me, but this is pretty amazing.  Even The Hollow Man sounds halfway decent and I'm no fan of Brave.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gazinwales on November 02, 2019, 12:46:23 PM
Whoah, wait a sec, you don't like Brave?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on November 02, 2019, 01:46:20 PM
Anyone get "With Friends From The Orchestra?"

I honestly didn't think it would be this good. It's kicking my ass.  Of course Europe and the UK get to witness this stuff live.

Hopefully we'll at least see a DVD out of it.

Have to admit I was a bit skeptical because Less Is More didn't do a lot for me, but this is pretty amazing.  Even The Hollow Man sounds halfway decent and I'm no fan of Brave.
I was hoping it'd stream somewhere, but haven't seen it yet so I may have to buy it outright. Estonia brought me to tears, so I can see the rest of it being just as stunning.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 06, 2019, 07:11:55 PM
Anyone get "With Friends From The Orchestra?"

I honestly didn't think it would be this good. It's kicking my ass.  Of course Europe and the UK get to witness this stuff live.

Hopefully we'll at least see a DVD out of it.

Have to admit I was a bit skeptical because Less Is More didn't do a lot for me, but this is pretty amazing.  Even The Hollow Man sounds halfway decent and I'm no fan of Brave.
I was hoping it'd stream somewhere, but haven't seen it yet so I may have to buy it outright. Estonia brought me to tears, so I can see the rest of it being just as stunning.

It's pretty stunning.  I haven't even bothered cracking open the Afraid Of Sunlight Deluxe Edition yet.  Hoping they record one of the live shows because that's about the only way I'm going to get to experience it. Rothery just scorches the earth on this record.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 06, 2019, 07:14:50 PM
Whoah, wait a sec, you don't like Brave?

It's a snoozefest.

 The only real blemish on their record other than maybe Less Is More.  Warmed to like about half of Afraid Of Sunlight which is why I sprung for the deluxe edition (for the unreleased material mainly.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on November 07, 2019, 03:31:16 AM
Whoah, wait a sec, you don't like Brave?

It's a snoozefest.

Wow. I mean, wow. I get that we all have different tastes, and that we all hear music differently and everything, but you are just... wrong. So very wrong.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 07, 2019, 07:05:43 PM
Whoah, wait a sec, you don't like Brave?

It's a snoozefest.

Wow. I mean, wow. I get that we all have different tastes, and that we all hear music differently and everything, but you are just... wrong. So very wrong.

no use arguing personal taste, but it's my favorite album ever made.

But then again, I can't stand Radiohead and OK Computer, and find Fear of a Blank Planet to be incredibly overrated and boring.

So I can kind of see where ysterush is coming from.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 17, 2019, 12:27:13 AM
new interview with Mark Kelly.

'Script/early days documentary included with the Remaster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-Ly2h2lnqE
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Evermind on November 17, 2019, 12:53:49 AM
Not quite pertinent to the conversation happening in the thread now, but I was listening to Marbles this morning and once again was completely blindsided by how good this album is. So much that I actually decided to make this post here just to acknowledge this. Man, what an album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 17, 2019, 11:15:38 AM
Whoah, wait a sec, you don't like Brave?

It's a snoozefest.

Wow. I mean, wow. I get that we all have different tastes, and that we all hear music differently and everything, but you are just... wrong. So very wrong.

no use arguing personal taste, but it's my favorite album ever made.

But then again, I can't stand Radiohead and OK Computer, and find Fear of a Blank Planet to be incredibly overrated and boring.

So I can kind of see where ysterush is coming from.

For what it's worth, I'd take Fear Of A Blank Planet over Brave any day of the week and twice on Sunday. It's the only Porcupine Tree CD I own.

As far a Brave goes, I respect the attempt, but it does nothing for me.  I stopped my annual listen to it (to see if anything changed) more than 5 years ago.  I'd much rather listen to something I enjoy.

The only total clunker they've recorded. (if you don't count Less Is More.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Puppies_On_Acid on November 17, 2019, 11:17:46 AM
Not quite pertinent to the conversation happening in the thread now, but I was listening to Marbles this morning and once again was completely blindsided by how good this album is. So much that I actually decided to make this post here just to acknowledge this. Man, what an album.
Well, it is the greatest album ever made.... :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on November 17, 2019, 11:52:47 AM
I can't think of another band that I own more albums from that I'm more "on the fence" about than Marillion. 

I own more than half their catalog, and less than half does it for me. 

I think Childhood, Straws, Anorak, and Marbles are among the most brilliant albums I've ever heard and I've never gotten tired of listening to them from start to finish.   Absolutely 10/10....all of them.

Script and Fugazi are really hit and miss.  I like half or less of the material.  Same with Season's End, Holidays in Eden, and Brave. Although all of these albums have songs on them that I consider to be must have's.   (Easter, Brave, Splintering Heart, and a few others).   Afraid of Sunlight does nothing for me.   

This Strange Engine came out when I was working at a CD store, and it just got played in store a lot, and it ended up grabbing me.  So I like that one.    On the strength of that, I got Radiation and dot com....Radiation had some gems, but dot com fell completely flat for me.

Then I had a buddy tell me I had to check out Anorak....and I absolutely fell in love with it.   ADORE that album.   Then Marbles came and I really began to become a bigger fan about that time.   And on the strength of Marbles I even got in early on the pre-order of Somewhere Else.....which was one of the biggest let downs of my entire life.    Really really boring album. 

Based on that disappointment, I never even listened to Happiness, Less is More, and Sounds.   But then everyone started freaking out about FEAR, so I picked that one up and it just didn't grab me at all.   

Maybe it's just been timing.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on November 17, 2019, 02:23:08 PM
Put me on the side of Brave lovers...easily my second favorite Marillion album behind Clutching, and for me, probably the most brilliant concept behind a concept album, I just am so in love with what they did there. Between that, the ambient atmosphere, and H era of Marillion finally coming into their own after two warm up albums, it's just a perfect recipe.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Volante99 on November 17, 2019, 03:37:18 PM
For my money Brave is not only Marillion’s best album it’s one of the best prog albums ever. It still holds up very well today unlike a lot of their other material.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on November 17, 2019, 04:14:23 PM
Brave is one of my all time favorites.  In fact, I still consider that and Afraid of Sunlight to be my two favorite albums of all time.