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Title: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on April 27, 2009, 12:38:37 PM
You knew it had to happen.

Great, great band. I now have all Fish-era albums and they're pretty much all very good to awesome. Now checking out the albums with h. Any albums I should avoid or not care about?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on April 27, 2009, 02:09:00 PM
First 5 albums, especially the first 4 Fish ones, are awesome. Clutching at Straws is a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on April 27, 2009, 02:28:01 PM
Well, I CAN tell you to buy Season's End, Brave, Anoraknophobia, Marbles, and Happiness is the Road.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: prog.fusion on April 27, 2009, 03:08:39 PM
Brave is one of the greatest albums ever. i absolutely love it. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on April 27, 2009, 08:40:31 PM
I've spent like the last few weeks going through their discography from the start.  I'm up to Brave.

Check out the This Strange Convention DVD.  Some pretty killer stuff on there.  (Including an amazingly awesome cover of Britney Spears' "Toxic")
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: LudwigVan on April 28, 2009, 06:59:39 AM
I'm one of those stubborn a-holes who maintains that none of the H-era stuff can hold a candle to Fish-era Marillion.   (what happened to the :flamethrower smiley)?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on April 28, 2009, 07:32:17 AM
Everything Fish era is cheesy prog along the Rush lines. H era is where the good stuff is.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on April 28, 2009, 08:13:00 AM
I'm one of those stubborn a-holes who maintains that none of the H-era stuff can hold a candle to Fish-era Marillion.   (what happened to the :flamethrower smiley)?

Yup, Seasons End comes close, but so called masterpieces like Brave and Marbles are not even close to as good as the Fish stuff in my book.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on April 28, 2009, 08:16:40 AM
I'm one of those stubborn a-holes who maintains that none of the H-era stuff can hold a candle to Fish-era Marillion.   (what happened to the :flamethrower smiley)?

Yup, Seasons End comes close, but so called masterpieces like Brave and Marbles are not even close to as good as the Fish stuff in my book.

You need a new book.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on April 28, 2009, 02:06:52 PM
I'm one of those stubborn a-holes who maintains that none of the H-era stuff can hold a candle to Fish-era Marillion.   (what happened to the :flamethrower smiley)?

Yup, Seasons End comes close, but so called masterpieces like Brave and Marbles are not even close to as good as the Fish stuff in my book.

Marbles surpasses all of the Fish stuff, in my totally amazing book printed on gilded paper from Jesus himself.  Clutching at Straws is second, though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 05, 2009, 03:41:57 PM
My absolute favorites are Misplaced Childhood (favorite album of all time by any band), Clutching at Straws, Seasons End, This Strange Engine and Marbles. Haven't gotten the new one yet.

I pretty much love them all except for Brave and Afraid of Sunlight. Brave puts me to sleep and I do like King from Afraid of Sunlight.

I like most of Fish's solo stuff a lot too.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on May 05, 2009, 04:04:52 PM
My absolute favorites are Misplaced Childhood (favorite album of all time by any band), Clutching at Straws, Seasons End, This Strange Engine and Marbles. Haven't gotten the new one yet.

I pretty much love them all except for Brave and Afraid of Sunlight. Brave puts me to sleep and I do like King from Afraid of Sunlight.

I like most of Fish's solo stuff a lot too.
Brave is epic !
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phantasmatron on May 05, 2009, 05:47:34 PM
I'm a fan of Misplaced Childhood, so I finally got around to listening to Clutching at Straws the other day.  It's pretty good on a first listen, and I'm betting that once I get to know all the songs better, I'll like it even more than Misplaced Childhood.

I didn't expect to like this band.  But they have some good stuff.  :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on May 05, 2009, 07:01:18 PM
Everything Fish era is cheesy prog along the Rush lines. H era is where the good stuff is.

I really don't think I would label the Fish-era albums (with the possible exception of Jester's Tear) as prog.  They're more like really awesome pop-rock with prog-like tendencies.  The H-era stuff that I've checked out, while reasonably good (especially Brave), sounds so flat and monotone compared to the colorful and emotionally rich Fish-era material.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on May 07, 2009, 09:42:25 AM
Everything Fish era is cheesy prog along the Rush lines. H era is where the good stuff is.

I really don't think I would label the Fish-era albums (with the possible exception of Jester's Tear) as prog.  They're more like really awesome pop-rock with prog-like tendencies.  The H-era stuff that I've checked out, while reasonably good (especially Brave), sounds so flat and monotone compared to the colorful and emotionally rich Fish-era material.
Totally disagree with that statement. The H shows the bands maturity through the years. I'm listening to the song, "This Strange Engine" as we speak. There is no Fish song that compares with its epicness.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on May 07, 2009, 01:13:26 PM
Everything Fish era is cheesy prog along the Rush lines. H era is where the good stuff is.

I really don't think I would label the Fish-era albums (with the possible exception of Jester's Tear) as prog.  They're more like really awesome pop-rock with prog-like tendencies.  The H-era stuff that I've checked out, while reasonably good (especially Brave), sounds so flat and monotone compared to the colorful and emotionally rich Fish-era material.
Totally disagree with that statement. The H shows the bands maturity through the years. I'm listening to the song, "This Strange Engine" as we speak. There is no Fish song that compares with its epicness.

I've never heard it, but I can't help but disagree just knowing the epicness of some of the Fish material.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on May 07, 2009, 01:53:16 PM
So I've reached the "This Strange Engine" stage of my quest to play through the entire Marillion discography in order.

Man... this album has a SERIOUS 1-2 punch.  I think "Man of a Thousand Faces" is on its way to becoming one of my favorite Marillion tracks.  Mark Kelly blows me away on this one.  And "One Fine Day" has gotta be one of the best "slow" songs they've ever written.

Too bad the album gets slightly derailed with track 3 - "80 days".  Man, that song is all kinds of silly.  :\
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on May 07, 2009, 02:03:24 PM
So I've reached the "This Strange Engine" stage of my quest to play through the entire Marillion discography in order.

Man... this album has a SERIOUS 1-2 punch.  I think "Man of a Thousand Faces" is on its way to becoming one of my favorite Marillion tracks.  Mark Kelly blows me away on this one.  And "One Fine Day" has gotta be one of the best "slow" songs they've ever written.

Too bad the album gets slightly derailed with track 3 - "80 days".  Man, that song is all kinds of silly.  :\
Wait untill you fully absorb the title track. Its legendary !
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on May 07, 2009, 02:53:01 PM
So I've reached the "This Strange Engine" stage of my quest to play through the entire Marillion discography in order.

Man... this album has a SERIOUS 1-2 punch.  I think "Man of a Thousand Faces" is on its way to becoming one of my favorite Marillion tracks.  Mark Kelly blows me away on this one.  And "One Fine Day" has gotta be one of the best "slow" songs they've ever written.

Too bad the album gets slightly derailed with track 3 - "80 days".  Man, that song is all kinds of silly.  :\
Wait untill you fully absorb the title track. Its legendary !

I've been a Marillion fan for years, but for some reason I never got around to picking up the mid/late 90s albums (i.e., Afraid of Sunlight - Marillion.com) until recently.  So my first exposure to Afraid of Sunlight's title track was when they played it live at Marillion weekend last month.  It got an unbelievable ovation from the crowd (which was probably only topped when they played Ocean Cloud later that same night)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dittomist on May 07, 2009, 05:39:55 PM
Hmmmm, here is how I would rank the Marillion albums, starting with their very best.

1. Marbles (double album)
2. Season's End
3. Misplaced Childhood
4. Afraid of Sunlight
5. Brave
6. Clutching at Straws
7. Happiness is the Road (Essence)
8. Anoraknophobia
9. Holidays in Eden
10. Fugazi
11. Marillion.com
12. This Strange Engine
13. Happiness is the Road (The Hard Shoulder)
14. Somewhere Else
15. Radiation
*I'm not that familiar with Script from a Jester's Tear just yet.

Such a great band. All of their albums contain some amazing music, so I suggest owning them all.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on May 07, 2009, 06:04:50 PM
Everything Fish era is cheesy prog along the Rush lines. H era is where the good stuff is.

I really don't think I would label the Fish-era albums (with the possible exception of Jester's Tear) as prog.  They're more like really awesome pop-rock with prog-like tendencies.  The H-era stuff that I've checked out, while reasonably good (especially Brave), sounds so flat and monotone compared to the colorful and emotionally rich Fish-era material.
Totally disagree with that statement. The H shows the bands maturity through the years. I'm listening to the song, "This Strange Engine" as we speak. There is no Fish song that compares with its epicness.

I've never heard it, but I can't help but disagree just knowing the epicness of some of the Fish material.

By "epic" I think he mostly means "long", since the song is over 15 minutes long. :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 07, 2009, 09:52:38 PM
Epic? Try Plague of Ghosts on Fish's Raingods With Zippos album.

I haven't memorized the track total time, but I think it's about 22 minutes long (It's split up into 6 tracks). The studio track doesn't even do it justice. It ends live with the crowd singing as the band walks of the stage before the encore a la Marillion's Happiness Is The Road live.

This Strange Engine is in my top three of Hogarth Marillion albums. I really love the natural delivery of the vocals on it. For whatever reason, he's never done the vocals the same way since. It's my favorite performance vocally. It's a very organic album. I love every song on it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on May 08, 2009, 07:04:54 AM
Epic? Try Plague of Ghosts on Fish's Raingods With Zippos album.

I haven't memorized the track total time, but I think it's about 22 minutes long (It's split up into 6 tracks). The studio track doesn't even do it justice. It ends live with the crowd singing as the band walks of the stage before the encore a la Marillion's Happiness Is The Road live.

This Strange Engine is in my top three of Hogarth Marillion albums. I really love the natural delivery of the vocals on it. For whatever reason, he's never done the vocals the same way since. It's my favorite performance vocally. It's a very organic album. I love every song on it.
I was fortunate enough to see Fish live in New Haven last year. Awesome show ! I have almost all his solo stuff. Sunsets on Empire is my fav.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on May 08, 2009, 07:23:20 AM
Listening to Brave for the second time right now... Goodbye To All That definitely is too long, h sometimes overdoes it with the whispering, but the run from The Hollow Man to The Great Escape is damn amazing (the title track in particular). Made Again doesn't fit the album's mood at all, though. Thinking about deleting it from my collection and leaving The Great Escape as the ending track...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on May 08, 2009, 07:24:31 AM
FYI - Any fans of "This Strange Engine" should check out the new "This Strange Convention" DVD.  The first part (Friday night) is that entire album played live.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on May 08, 2009, 07:53:49 AM
Listening to Brave for the second time right now... Goodbye To All That definitely is too long, h sometimes overdoes it with the whispering, but the run from The Hollow Man to The Great Escape is damn amazing (the title track in particular). Made Again doesn't fit the album's mood at all, though. Thinking about deleting it from my collection and leaving The Great Escape as the ending track...
Brave is one of those albums you need to absorb several times before it really hits you. I heard it 10 times or more before I really got the brilliance of it.
Listening to the song "One Fine Day" at the moment from This Strange Engine.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Zoom E on May 08, 2009, 08:05:17 PM
I'm one of those stubborn a-holes who maintains that none of the H-era stuff can hold a candle to Fish-era Marillion.   (what happened to the :flamethrower smiley)?

I concur.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: aurorablind on May 09, 2009, 08:18:58 AM
Love this band! Definitely in my top 10 list of favorite bands of all times..
Favorite albums:
Misplaced Childhood, Clutching at straws, Brave and Marbles.. :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 13, 2009, 09:11:31 PM
Epic? Try Plague of Ghosts on Fish's Raingods With Zippos album.

I haven't memorized the track total time, but I think it's about 22 minutes long (It's split up into 6 tracks). The studio track doesn't even do it justice. It ends live with the crowd singing as the band walks of the stage before the encore a la Marillion's Happiness Is The Road live.

This Strange Engine is in my top three of Hogarth Marillion albums. I really love the natural delivery of the vocals on it. For whatever reason, he's never done the vocals the same way since. It's my favorite performance vocally. It's a very organic album. I love every song on it.
I was fortunate enough to see Fish live in New Haven last year. Awesome show ! I have almost all his solo stuff. Sunsets on Empire is my fav.


That's a great album too.  One of my favorites along with Vigil In A Wilderness of Mirrors, Internal Exile, Raingods With Zippos and 13th Star.

Saw him 4 times on the Sunsets Tour. Twice on the 13th Star Tour (Nearfest and Philly) and twice on the Raingods Tour (Philly, New York City) Just 3 U.S. Tours since he Marillion 21 years ago.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on May 13, 2009, 09:21:55 PM
That NEARfest show was so awesome, can't wait till the DVD is available.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 13, 2009, 09:56:46 PM
That NEARfest show was so awesome, can't wait till the DVD is available.

It should be out fairly soon. I think I read the finishing touches were being put on it.

Until then, we enjoy it in other ways.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on July 05, 2009, 08:45:43 AM
So I got Afraid Of Sunlight recently and it's a very good album, definitely a worthy successor to Brave. The last four tracks are absolutely stellar.
The only thing about it that I don't really like is the general sound, it lacks some punch and the snare and kick drum are mixed too low.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on July 06, 2009, 06:19:14 AM
happiness is such an epic song, i love it when it comes on my ipod.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: changing_seasons on August 17, 2009, 05:46:52 PM
This is gonna be a major bump, but I had to share it.

I think I may be coming out of my Dream Theater obsession, and Marillion is the band setting me free! I remember liking Easter from the 5YIAL DVD, and so I thought I'd check out the rest of the discography. I haven't listened enough to have a favorite album yet, but I really like the guitar work, and Steve Hogarth's voice is cool too. I already knew I liked Pete Trewavas' bass style from the Transatlantic albums. Actually, I'd put Marillion and Transatlantic in the same position, being music I like listening to more than playing.

Anyway, I now see the joys of discovering new music you actually like. I just hope I don't get bored with it like I normally do. It's looking good though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on August 17, 2009, 06:43:58 PM
Clutching at Straws is in my top 5 of favorite albums, and Sugarmice is probably my favorite of all songs.
The line,"If you want my address, it's number one at the end of the bar, where I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars" gets me every time. :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on August 17, 2009, 06:55:56 PM
The biggest single emotional punch on the album for me is, "And if you ever come across us, don't give us your sympathy. Just buy us a drink and just shake our hands. And you'll recognize, by the reflection in our eyes, that deep down inside we're all one and the same."

I can't hear that and not get chills.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on August 17, 2009, 07:20:27 PM
How about "Is it wrong to talk to myself even when there's nobody else, I'm just checking out that I'm not going under the water, thrown to the beach like a seal ready for slaughter."  I read somewhere that when Fish's wife read the lyrics to Going Under, she started crying and asked Fish what was wrong in his life.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on August 18, 2009, 01:52:49 AM
Listening to Brave for the second time right now... Goodbye To All That definitely is too long, h sometimes overdoes it with the whispering, but the run from The Hollow Man to The Great Escape is damn amazing (the title track in particular). Made Again doesn't fit the album's mood at all, though. Thinking about deleting it from my collection and leaving The Great Escape as the ending track...

The vinyl version of the album had "twin grooves" on side four, one running as per the CD, the other having a "spiral remix" of the Great Escape (available on the 2CD remaster version) and then just extended water noise, omitting Made Again.

Made Again is a great song, it's really uplifting and provides a final note of optimism at the end of what would otherwise be a very bleak album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on August 18, 2009, 03:04:32 AM
See, that's the problem I have with the song. It doesn't really fit the concept imo (what's wrong with bleak albums anyway?). Also, the lyrics are horrible. I'm not a big fan of John Helmer's lyrics anyway, but those are just trying way too hard to be uplifting.

And Afraid Of Sunlight might have become my second or third favourite Marillion album by now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Chas on August 19, 2009, 04:51:56 AM
Love Forgotten Sons off Script For A Jester's Tear.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: wkiml on August 19, 2009, 11:49:31 AM
I'm one of those stubborn a-holes who maintains that none of the H-era stuff can hold a candle to Fish-era Marillion.   (what happened to the :flamethrower smiley)?

I concur.

count me in this group as well
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on August 19, 2009, 11:55:33 AM
Yeah, I'm in that group as well. Season's End comes close, but it's still not as good as the first four.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on August 19, 2009, 12:16:12 PM
@Nick:  How is Fish's solo stuff?  I remember you bought his newest album at NEARfest, but I can't remember if you had heard any of his other stuff.  Does it come close to the awesomeness of the 4 Fish-era Marillion albums?  Some of the stuff I heard him play in concert sounded pretty cool.

Also, I read on his website that the NEARfest DVD was pushed back until October.  Here's hoping it actually gets released, it'd be cool to have a DVD that I can say I was at, especially since I don't get out to many concerts.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on August 19, 2009, 02:07:29 PM
Yeah, that DVD got pushed back so Fish could focus on his convention this year.

I have quite a few of his albums, with his newest, 13th Star, being my favorite. It's not as good as the Fish-era Marillion albums, but then again, what it? A lot of it is a bit more straightforward, and perhaps in a strange way a bit more theatrical and epic in a more traditional, less progressive sense.

To get a good overview I'd suggest picking up the Return to Childhood DVD. It's a set of his solo stuff followed by Misplaced Childhood. As for studio albums I prefer 13th Star, Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors, Internal Exile, and Fellini Days.

Also, one of the songs he played in concert, but not on any of those albums was a song he didn't originally right called "Faith Healer", if you get a chance just check out that track because it's fucking awesome.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on August 19, 2009, 02:16:03 PM
Awesome, thanks for the recommendations :tup

Just from the 4 Marillion albums he sang on, he's become one of my favorite vocalists, so I'm definitely interested in hearing more stuff he sings on.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 20, 2009, 05:45:40 PM
Yeah, that DVD got pushed back so Fish could focus on his convention this year.

I have quite a few of his albums, with his newest, 13th Star, being my favorite. It's not as good as the Fish-era Marillion albums, but then again, what it? A lot of it is a bit more straightforward, and perhaps in a strange way a bit more theatrical and epic in a more traditional, less progressive sense.

To get a good overview I'd suggest picking up the Return to Childhood DVD. It's a set of his solo stuff followed by Misplaced Childhood. As for studio albums I prefer 13th Star, Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors, Internal Exile, and Fellini Days.

Also, one of the songs he played in concert, but not on any of those albums was a song he didn't originally right called "Faith Healer", if you get a chance just check out that track because it's fucking awesome.

Faith Healer (live) originally appeared as a B-side to the Big Wedge single. I can't remember now if it was reissued on anything else. It's a song from The Sensational Alex Harvey Band. Fish played it a lot on some of the earlier tours and he brought it back for the 13th Star tour.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on August 20, 2009, 05:52:57 PM
Yeah, that DVD got pushed back so Fish could focus on his convention this year.

I have quite a few of his albums, with his newest, 13th Star, being my favorite. It's not as good as the Fish-era Marillion albums, but then again, what it? A lot of it is a bit more straightforward, and perhaps in a strange way a bit more theatrical and epic in a more traditional, less progressive sense.

To get a good overview I'd suggest picking up the Return to Childhood DVD. It's a set of his solo stuff followed by Misplaced Childhood. As for studio albums I prefer 13th Star, Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors, Internal Exile, and Fellini Days.

Also, one of the songs he played in concert, but not on any of those albums was a song he didn't originally right called "Faith Healer", if you get a chance just check out that track because it's fucking awesome.

Faith Healer (live) originally appeared as a B-side to the Big Wedge single. I can't remember now if it was reissued on anything else. It's a song from The Sensational Alex Harvey Band. Fish played it a lot on some of the earlier tours and he brought it back for the 13th Star tour.


If you can find it, the four single "fortunes of War" set is filled with awesome live tracks from some acoustic shows.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 20, 2009, 06:31:16 PM
Yeah, that DVD got pushed back so Fish could focus on his convention this year.

I have quite a few of his albums, with his newest, 13th Star, being my favorite. It's not as good as the Fish-era Marillion albums, but then again, what it? A lot of it is a bit more straightforward, and perhaps in a strange way a bit more theatrical and epic in a more traditional, less progressive sense.

To get a good overview I'd suggest picking up the Return to Childhood DVD. It's a set of his solo stuff followed by Misplaced Childhood. As for studio albums I prefer 13th Star, Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors, Internal Exile, and Fellini Days.

Also, one of the songs he played in concert, but not on any of those albums was a song he didn't originally right called "Faith Healer", if you get a chance just check out that track because it's fucking awesome.

Faith Healer (live) originally appeared as a B-side to the Big Wedge single. I can't remember now if it was reissued on anything else. It's a song from The Sensational Alex Harvey Band. Fish played it a lot on some of the earlier tours and he brought it back for the 13th Star tour.


If you can find it, the four single "fortunes of War" set is filled with awesome live tracks from some acoustic shows.

It's been a while since I've had that on too.  There's a pretty decent version of Sugar Mice on Fortunes Of War as I recall.


Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on August 20, 2009, 07:18:27 PM
Marillion is my favorite band. I don't feel they've ever released a bad record. And I consider 5 of their albums 5-stars, or more or less flawless, with Brave being what I regard as my favorite album of all-time. It's the most gut-renching, emotionally charged experience, I only listen to it at certain times and moods. The other 4 5-star records: Clutching, Childhood, Sunlight, and Marbles all are as significant work in their career as anything.

The rest of their discography contains a lot of good to very good albums. Some of the epics namely standout. 100 Nights/This Town, This Strange Engine, Interior Lulu. Grendel, which I think I'd like to add the version that is on B-Sides Themselves is a vastly superior version than the one included on the 'Script remaster.

Somewhere Else I think as grown as much as any album of theirs, on me. It's different, but the more I play it and Happiness, the more I find those 2 records being pretty close in quality.

Radiation I'd say somewhat the same about. It was a different kind of record, but more than enough of it still works over time. Plus songs like "These Chains" and especially "A Few Words For the Dead" are as moving as anything they've done, it makes my view of that record a lot better than it was when I regarded it the worst thing they ever did.

I'm not really sure what is their worst album. Perhaps Fugazi or Anorak..but even both of them have a lot of music I like, it's really hard to regard them much different than say Holidays or Somewhere Else.

Fish's solo work is pretty good. I own 3 or 4 of his. Raingods with Zippos has the outstanding Plague of Ghosts suite. Steven Wilson helps out there. Sunsets on Empires and Internal Exile are both spotty. His latest, 13th Star I was surprisingly impressed by. I don't own a hardcopy, but from listening to it on mp3, I just remember it being a little heavier and a little catchier than I expected.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on August 20, 2009, 07:36:11 PM
While I do prefer the Fish material in general, I've been getting more into Brave lately, and damn if that isn't an awesome album :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 24, 2009, 04:25:57 PM
While I do prefer the Fish material in general, I've been getting more into Brave lately, and damn if that isn't an awesome album :tup

I'm one of the few (the only one?) that is not much of a fan of Brave. It puts me to sleep. The version on Made Again is only a slight improvement for me.

Brave and Afraid of Sunlight are far and away my least favorite Marillion albums. I pretty much love everything else. (Although I still don't have Happiness is the Road yet).

Oddly, Fish's solo albums from that same period (Songs From the Mirror and Suits) are also my least favorite of his discography.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on August 31, 2009, 07:08:07 AM
Alright, so I got This Strange Engine, Radiation and marillion.com a few days ago. Haven't heard the latter two, but TSE is kind of a mixed bag for me. The title track, Estonia and Man Of A Thousand Faces are great songs, no question. An Accidental Man could have been such a good song if it wasn't for the terrible chorus. Memory Of Water is a nice little interlude, could be a grower. Don't really care much for 80 Days and One Fine Day (it's mostly the lyrics that pull these songs down, I really don't like Helmer's style). Hope For The Future might be the worst Marillion song I've ever heard. It's worse than No One Can and even Made Again imo. Seriously, I don't know what was going on while they were writing this song... Didn't even bother to include it in my music collection.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 31, 2009, 02:43:32 PM
Alright, so I got This Strange Engine, Radiation and marillion.com a few days ago. Haven't heard the latter two, but TSE is kind of a mixed bag for me. The title track, Estonia and Man Of A Thousand Faces are great songs, no question. An Accidental Man could have been such a good song if it wasn't for the terrible chorus. Memory Of Water is a nice little interlude, could be a grower. Don't really care much for 80 Days and One Fine Day (it's mostly the lyrics that pull these songs down, I really don't like Helmer's style). Hope For The Future might be the worst Marillion song I've ever heard. It's worse than No One Can and even Made Again imo. Seriously, I don't know what was going on while they were writing this song... Didn't even bother to include it in my music collection.

I LOVE This Strange Engine (especially since I was not very fond of the two albums that came before it).

I think Hogarth's voice sounds very natural and organic on this record. I wish he'd sing like this a lot more than he does (which is not to say he never does, I'd just like him to do it more).

I also really like Radiation (but many people don't), mostly because it has many Beatlesque qualities which I think are cool. It's also very under produced and raw sound, which I like a lot too.

Marillion.com is my least favorite of the three, largely due to Interior Lulu. I think the rest of the album is pretty good though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on August 31, 2009, 04:43:09 PM
I really dig "Tales From the Engine Room" which is TSE remixed. I really wish more bands could have remixes done how that one is. If I knew how to use the software, hell, I'd do it. I've imagined how a song like "Scarred" from Dream Theater might sound remixed in that style, with echoing and re-occurring themes.

I always liked TSE, but TFtER kind of added to my appreciation for it. For some reason, really good remixes do that for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on September 01, 2009, 12:42:58 AM
Alright, so I got This Strange Engine, Radiation and marillion.com a few days ago. Haven't heard the latter two, but TSE is kind of a mixed bag for me. The title track, Estonia and Man Of A Thousand Faces are great songs, no question. An Accidental Man could have been such a good song if it wasn't for the terrible chorus. Memory Of Water is a nice little interlude, could be a grower. Don't really care much for 80 Days and One Fine Day (it's mostly the lyrics that pull these songs down, I really don't like Helmer's style). Hope For The Future might be the worst Marillion song I've ever heard. It's worse than No One Can and even Made Again imo. Seriously, I don't know what was going on while they were writing this song... Didn't even bother to include it in my music collection.

I LOVE This Strange Engine (especially since I was not very fond of the two albums that came before it).

I think Hogarth's voice sounds very natural and organic on this record. I wish he'd sing like this a lot more than he does (which is not to say he never does, I'd just like him to do it more).

I also really like Radiation (but many people don't), mostly because it has many Beatlesque qualities which I think are cool. It's also very under produced and raw sound, which I like a lot too.

Marillion.com is my least favorite of the three, largely due to Interior Lulu. I think the rest of the album is pretty good though.

I listened to Radiation yesterday. It's more consistent than TSE imo, but it lacks the real highlights. Cathedral Wall is amazing, A Few Words For The Dead is very good, but the rest floats around between OK and good.

I'll check out marillion.com today if I have the time.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 03, 2009, 05:16:38 PM
New Acoustic album "Less Is More" (L=M) drops October 2nd. Detaisl on

https://blogs.myspace.com/marillion

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We are pleased to announce that Less Is More will be distributed throughout Europe (and therefore hopefully available in all good record shops). The release date for the album is October 2nd.

Racket Records and Marillion will also be stocking the new album and ordering details will be available on our site soon. We will not start shipping ordered copies until October 2nd but everyone who orders from us will receive a free download of the album on this date. The album will also be available to buy at most of our concerts dates (with the possible exception of 6th - 18th November dates).

The tracklisting is:

GO
INTERIOR LULU
OUT OF THIS WORLD
WRAPPED UP IN TIME
THE SPACE
HARD AS LOVE
QUARTZ
IF MY HEART WERE A BALL
IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT
THE MEMORY OF WATER
THIS IS THE 21ST CENTURY

(plus additional hidden track)

Enjoy!

h, Pete, Ian, Steve and Mark
x

"It's Not Your Fault" in fact, an unrecorded song. Something they've done live recently perhaps?

some videos with footage, samples, etc on their official youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/marilliononline
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on September 04, 2009, 12:49:38 AM
I read about this a few days ago, sounds very nice. But since I don't have any Marillion album that was released in this decade, I guess I have to wait.

So... marillion.com doesn't sound that bad. Interior Lulu is amazing, and House is very good too. I like the obvious, but nice Massive Attack influence.
Deserve, Go! and A Legacy are quite good as well, and Enlightened is decent, but Rich is very poppy, and I don't really like the lyrics (the chorus is very cool, though). Built-In Bastard Radar is bad, really bad, and the lyrics (as most of John Helmer's) are facepalm-worthy. Plus, the sonic inconsistency doesn't make listening to this album an exceptional experience. So far, I would give this album a 6.5-7, but I hope that this album is a grower.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 05, 2009, 07:31:12 PM
I think I'm pretty much certain to like the new version of Interior Lulu since I'm not fond of the original.


In any case, I won't be in any hurry to get this but I will eventually.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Ommadawn on September 07, 2009, 12:06:02 PM
A huge Marillion's fan here  :tup

My favorite albums are Brave, Clutching At Straws, Seasons End, Marbles, Holidays In Eden, Afraid Of Sunlight...

Steve Rothery is probably one of my favourite guitar player!!  :D
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on September 10, 2009, 12:36:07 PM
Less is More is available on pre-order, here are some preview songs:

https://www.ilike.com/artist/Marillion/track/Hard%20As%20Love%20-%20Acoustic/
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on September 30, 2009, 12:08:25 PM
My L=M shipped this morning.  :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on September 30, 2009, 12:12:18 PM
My L=M shipped this morning.  :metal

Awesome!  I preordered it a few days ago.  I'm interested to hear the new versions of This is the 21st Century, Lulu, Quartz, and The Space.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on October 05, 2009, 12:41:47 PM
I just downloaded the pre-order edition, it's very nicely done. I'm very happy with it, very chill and soothing.

quartz is a completely different song. pretty cool too.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on October 05, 2009, 02:15:46 PM
I got my copy on October 2nd.  I'm very confused, since I thought it would take longer.  Oh well.  I'm happy with Quartz, 21st Century, Go!, Interior Lulu, Hard as Love, and The Space.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on November 23, 2009, 09:47:51 AM
interior lulu is really agreeing with me lately. i love listening to this album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: progmonster on December 17, 2009, 11:23:45 PM
From the "Biggest Fan of..." thread:


Those are some great pics. I love the London clock picture. That should be on a live album cover. How did you get him on TV in the states? (That's got to be some sort of miracle.)

That would make for a great live album cover! It was awesome how open he was to everything that we did that day, like taking crazy pictures like that. (I'll have to go digging for more of them, I'm not too sure where the rest of them went in the move) He especially liked how all of the places that I took him in the Bay Area where landmarks of places that only exist online (Google/ebay/Apple/etc...). He said something to the effect of "You go around Europe to see castles and ancient buildings. Here, you go to see the famous places that exist on the Internet!". I definitely got the sense that h loved the American people and fans, but was not fond of America itself.

As for getting him on TV, that was JustJen's idea. She knew that I was working at NBC at the time, and suggested that I get him on the show. So I asked my producer, and she was happy to have a guest on the show who wasn't a local cook for the millionth time! Also, the director was a big music fan, and had heard of Marillion from back in the day. (He was always wearing his King Crimson "beat" shirt) It was definitely a miracle....

Side note: I did find it odd that h didn't pay for his coffee at breakfast. We just kind of up and left. Maybe that's customary in Europe, but it's not here in the States. I didn't say anything. heh.


P.S. I also have a habit of running into Pete in public. It get's to the point were he thinks that I am following him! (I'm not, I swear!) But maybe he likes it, because (if the DVD ever comes out you'll see) at the latest Weekend convention we "I Love You'd" each other after their set. It was awkward and funny, and I'm sure that it was captured on video. :blush
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on December 18, 2009, 12:07:04 AM
Less is More, while I enjoy it, and even got goosebumps during a couple of sections last time I played it, I can't jusify placing it in my top 50 records for the year. Why? mainly due to lack of addiction to it, but also a re-arrangements/remixes album doesn't get quite as much weight with me.

That being said, I'm not sure it's as-good, but I think it's the best acoustic re-arrangements record I've heard anyone make since 12:5.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: progmonster on December 18, 2009, 01:10:43 AM
Less is More, while I enjoy it, and even got goosebumps during a couple of sections last time I played it, I can't jusify placing it in my top 50 records for the year. Why? mainly due to lack of addiction to it, but also a re-arrangements/remixes album doesn't get quite as much weight with me.

That being said, I'm not sure it's as-good, but I think it's the best acoustic re-arrangements record I've heard anyone make since 12:5.

I agree with everything you said. I actually prefer 12:5 to it, though. That album is brilliant. L = M is just a fun album to keep me company until Marillion's next venture. (I love Go!, Quartz, and Hard as Love the most from it)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on December 18, 2009, 03:48:06 AM
I went to see Marilion on the Less is More Acoustic tour at Cadogan Hall, and there were plenty of cameras around, so I'm hoping for a live DVD of what was truly one of the best Marillion shows I've seen - albeit one of the shortest. Monday night got Estonia and Answering Machine added to the setlist, but those of us who only went on Sunday got short-changed slightly. Anyway, great show, and it'll make one hell of a great DVD.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on December 18, 2009, 11:35:30 AM
L=M is such a fun album to listen to.  Not so fond of Cannibal Surf Babe and Its Not Your Fault, but everything else is really nice.  Hopefully this keeps the band from following a good/awesome album with a crappy one.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on December 18, 2009, 12:15:58 PM
I bought a used copy of Misplaced Childhood yesterday. Looking forward to popping my Marillion cherry.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on December 18, 2009, 12:37:17 PM
I bought a used copy of Misplaced Childhood yesterday. Looking forward to popping my Marillion cherry.

This is your first Marillion listen ever?

 :omg:

Prepare to be amazed.  After this go find yourself the 2-disc version of Marbles or Clutching at Straws.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: progmonster on December 18, 2009, 12:42:57 PM
I bought a used copy of Misplaced Childhood yesterday. Looking forward to popping my Marillion cherry.

You've been on these boards this long and you haven't hear MC yet? :o

I wish I could go back in time to when I first heard that album. I can actually remember ever detail of that day.... :hat
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on December 18, 2009, 12:49:51 PM
to be fair, MC is just cheesy prog and not many people like that stuff, including myself.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: progmonster on December 18, 2009, 02:39:05 PM
to be fair, MC is just cheesy prog and not many people like that stuff, including myself.

*coughs*

"A morning mare rides, in the starless shutters of my eyes "

"And a ring of violet bruises
They were pinned upon her arm.
Two hundred francs for sanctuary and she led me by the hand
To a room of dancing shadows where all the heartache disappears
And from glowing tongues of candles I heard her whisper in my ear
"'J'entend ton coeur"
I can hear your heart "

"Spray their pheromones on this perfume uniform "

"I saw a war widow in a launderette
Washing the memories from her husband's clothes
She had medals pinned to a threadbare greatcoat
A lump in her throat with cemetery eyes"


"I see black flags on factories
Soup ladies poised on the lips of the poor
I see children with vacant stares, destined for rape in the alleyways
Does anybody care, I can't take any more! "


I wouldn't call the entire album just "cheesy prog", but a lot of it is cheesy, because it's about love and childhood. Cheesy isn't always a bad thing if done well, and with honesty from your heart. :hat

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on December 18, 2009, 06:55:11 PM
God ProgMonster, posting those Fish lyrics make me remember what an awesome lyricist he is.  I played "Kayleigh/Lavender" for my parents once and the first thing they commented on was that they liked the "dancing in stilettos in the snow" line.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on December 18, 2009, 07:25:18 PM
Agreed.  Nobody has that poetic touch in their lyrics like Fish.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: progmonster on December 18, 2009, 11:34:49 PM
 :hat
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on December 22, 2009, 07:18:42 AM
god dammit i can't stop listening to l=m, i wish we could see them in usa, i guess that's what it must be like to be deprived of good music in third world countries like australia.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on December 22, 2009, 07:41:40 AM
god dammit i can't stop listening to l=m, i wish we could see them in usa, i guess that's what it must be like to be deprived of good music in third world countries like australia.

Where?  I don't see an "Australia" on my map.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on December 22, 2009, 08:05:36 AM
God ProgMonster, posting those Fish lyrics make me remember what an awesome lyricist he is.  I played "Kayleigh/Lavender" for my parents once and the first thing they commented on was that they liked the "dancing in stilettos in the snow" line.

In my opinion, Fish didn't turn into a very good lyricist until MC. Before, he just tried to stuff in as many complex/unusual words and metaphors as he possibly could, but MC really has great lyrics. However, I think that he reached his peak on CAS. Same goes for his singing style. It's at times unbearable at times on SFAJT (He Knows You Know verses, for example), a bit better, but still all over the place on Fugazi, but on MC and CAS, it really seems like he started to settle down (and also wanting to do that), thus complimenting the music much better.

PS: Anoraknophobia, Marbles (2CD) and Happiness Is The Road should hopefully all arrive here by the end of the year.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on December 22, 2009, 08:19:42 AM
I am a huge Marillion and solo Fish fan. I feel the first few albums are very good but the bands maturity shows brilliantly in H albums such as Brave, Anoraknophobia, and Marbles. I prefer the listen to the most recent albums. They have more depth imo.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on December 22, 2009, 12:01:30 PM
god dammit i can't stop listening to l=m, i wish we could see them in usa, i guess that's what it must be like to be deprived of good music in third world countries like australia.

Where?  I don't see an "Australia" on my map.

you're supposed to acquire a middle earth map, that's your first mistake.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on December 22, 2009, 12:02:44 PM
Fish was always a brilliant lyricist, but peaked during CAS.  That album shakes the core of my being.

(tick, if you enjoy Fish solo, try to find the Fortunes of War bit, it's all acoustic takes on Fish and Marillion songs)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 22, 2009, 08:41:55 PM
I bought a used copy of Misplaced Childhood yesterday. Looking forward to popping my Marillion cherry.

You've been on these boards this long and you haven't hear MC yet? :o

I wish I could go back in time to when I first heard that album. I can actually remember ever detail of that day.... :hat


You wouldn't be the only one. That entire album is a time capsule for me.  

Misplaced Childhood is my favorite album by any band - ever. I was fortunate enough to hear it played twice live when Marillion opened for Rush March 31 and April 1 1986.

Childhood's End/White Feather were the last two songs played at my wedding.

I'm sorry I passed on the opportunity to own Fish's jacket from the Lavender video about 10 years or so ago when Fish had his estate sale. I just couldn't pull the trigger then. I wanted to get married in a jacket like that , but couldn't find something suitable.

https://cgi.ebay.com/Marillion-Misplaced-Childhood-Fishs-Red-Drummer-Jacket_W0QQitemZ190357864628QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2c523680b4

I hope it went to a good home.


Quote
Progmonster:

As for getting him on TV, that was JustJen's idea. She knew that I was working at NBC at the time, and suggested that I get him on the show. So I asked my producer, and she was happy to have a guest on the show who wasn't a local cook for the millionth time! Also, the director was a big music fan, and had heard of Marillion from back in the day. (He was always wearing his King Crimson "beat" shirt) It was definitely a miracle....

Great story. I doubt anything like that will happen in the US ever again.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 22, 2009, 08:56:16 PM
God ProgMonster, posting those Fish lyrics make me remember what an awesome lyricist he is.  I played "Kayleigh/Lavender" for my parents once and the first thing they commented on was that they liked the "dancing in stilettos in the snow" line.

In my opinion, Fish didn't turn into a very good lyricist until MC. Before, he just tried to stuff in as many complex/unusual words and metaphors as he possibly could, but MC really has great lyrics. However, I think that he reached his peak on CAS. Same goes for his singing style. It's at times unbearable at times on SFAJT (He Knows You Know verses, for example), a bit better, but still all over the place on Fugazi, but on MC and CAS, it really seems like he started to settle down (and also wanting to do that), thus complimenting the music much better.


Even Fish admits that he was singing beyond his means on those early albums.  That and the lifestyle he led pretty much explains why he sounds like he sounds today.
It's not pretty, but he does a great job at making it work.

I'd rather hear him do solo stuff these days rather than anything with Marillion (unless he keeps quiet and lets us sing it instead)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on December 23, 2009, 08:28:23 AM
Fish was always a brilliant lyricist, but peaked during CAS.  That album shakes the core of my being.

(tick, if you enjoy Fish solo, try to find the Fortunes of War bit, it's all acoustic takes on Fish and Marillion songs)
I'll try and check it out. The more recent Fish album "13th Star" was a brilliant album imo.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on December 28, 2009, 11:30:44 AM
Anybody else seen this yet?  Cover of Britney Spears' "Toxic" from the 2007 Marillion Convention.  Pretty awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7BjF2rceTw
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 31, 2009, 02:51:36 PM
Anybody else seen this yet?  Cover of Britney Spears' "Toxic" from the 2007 Marillion Convention.  Pretty awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7BjF2rceTw

I've heard it. I've got no desire to see it.




I've been dying to get into some kind of Marillion (probably live) marathon for a few weeks now, but I haven't gotten there yet.

It's been about six weeks since I've listened to Misplaced Childhood and I'm still breathing......
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: progmonster on December 31, 2009, 03:12:18 PM
I've been dying to get into some kind of Marillion (probably live) marathon for a few weeks now, but I haven't gotten there yet.

Just pop in the Wish You Were Here set, then interlude that with Naked in the Chapel, and finish with Somewhere in London! Or, if you really want a marathon, then start with a few Fish-era DVD's. Unless you're after a listening session rather than visual....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 31, 2009, 04:09:18 PM
I've been dying to get into some kind of Marillion (probably live) marathon for a few weeks now, but I haven't gotten there yet.

Just pop in the Wish You Were Here set, then interlude that with Naked in the Chapel, and finish with Somewhere in London! Or, if you really want a marathon, then start with a few Fish-era DVD's. Unless you're after a listening session rather than visual....

Four out of five music marathons are usually are all auditory rather than visual in my case. I'll probably decide how to handle it whenever I get to do it.

Since you're here, what's the most stunning (performance wise) Clutching At Straws show that's out there? Milan '88 (Curtain Call box) is my favorite followed closely by Billy's Olde Mill, but I was hoping there might be something better as I've not investigated this in eons. While we're at it, what about your Misplaced Childhood show?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on January 08, 2010, 07:31:46 AM
Anybody else seen this yet?  Cover of Britney Spears' "Toxic" from the 2007 Marillion Convention.  Pretty awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7BjF2rceTw

now the damn thing is stuck in my head for the past week. it's actually really nice, much more sinister and well done than the original.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 08, 2010, 07:44:08 AM
Anybody else seen this yet?  Cover of Britney Spears' "Toxic" from the 2007 Marillion Convention.  Pretty awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7BjF2rceTw

now the damn thing is stuck in my head for the past week. it's actually really nice, much more sinister and well done than the original.
That was bizzaro ! I loved one of the you tube comments that said Brittany should now cover "Cannibal surf Babes" :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on January 08, 2010, 08:23:03 AM
I strongly recommend picking up the DVDs.  The whole show is fantastic.  They also do an AMAZING cover of "Hocus Pocus" by Focus.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 08, 2010, 10:01:59 AM
I strongly recommend picking up the DVDs.  The whole show is fantastic.  They also do an AMAZING cover of "Hocus Pocus" by Focus.
That I must see ! That song was the first record (45rpm) I ever bought as a kid.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on January 08, 2010, 02:49:14 PM
I strongly recommend picking up the DVDs.  The whole show is fantastic.  They also do an AMAZING cover of "Hocus Pocus" by Focus.

Damn, now I really want to hear that, especially h's delivery.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on January 11, 2010, 02:06:26 PM
Wow. Between You And Me, Quartz and This Is The 21st Century are amazing. Hell, Anoraknophobia per se is great.

Tomorrow, I'm going to listen to Marbles. Regarding the fact that I already know Neverland, I'll be in for a nice ending. :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: leadvapor on January 11, 2010, 03:56:01 PM
Marillion at their best (Fish-era) is a strong contender for Best Band Ever.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on January 11, 2010, 05:15:18 PM
Wow. Between You And Me, Quartz and This Is The 21st Century are amazing.

This is definitely in my top 5 Marillion songs, h-era or both combined.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on January 12, 2010, 06:20:48 AM
Marillion at their best (Fish-era) is a strong contender for cheesiest Band Ever.

I agree, but Marillion with H is the best pop-rock band ever.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on January 12, 2010, 03:09:04 PM
Marbles = win.

The Invisible Man is one of the best progressive-style songs by Marillion imo, Neverland is pure awesome, and the whole album is really enjoyable.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on January 12, 2010, 03:10:54 PM
Don't forget about Ocean Cloud!

But yeah, Neverland is my favorite Marillion song, and probably one of my top 10 favorite songs ever.  Fish-era can't touch that piece of genius.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on January 12, 2010, 03:30:46 PM
Don't forget about Ocean Cloud!

I'm listening to it right now. It's like This Strange Engine, Out Of This World and parts of Goodbye To All That thrown together with the atmosphere of the album. Great song, and I feel that it's definitely a grower.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 13, 2010, 07:43:28 PM
Marillion at their best (Fish-era) is a strong contender for Best Band Ever.

Difficult for me to argue against that although there have been plenty of amazing moments since then.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on January 16, 2010, 01:02:32 AM
Alright, Happiness Is The Road concludes my Marillion journey. I now have all their albums, except for Somewhere Else, and I don't know whether I should bother with it.

It's a solid album. Essence takes forever until it gets good (It's decent, but the good stuff doesn't start before Woke Up). The title track is amazing, though.

The Hard Shoulder is so much better, and Real Tears For Sale is definitely up there with Marillion's best album closers.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on January 16, 2010, 06:49:10 AM
Alright, Happiness Is The Road concludes my Marillion journey. I now have all their albums, except for Somewhere Else, and I don't know whether I should bother with it.

It's a solid album. Essence takes forever until it gets good (It's decent, but the good stuff doesn't start before Woke Up). The title track is amazing, though.

The Hard Shoulder is so much better, and Real Tears For Sale is definitely up there with Marillion's best album closers.

Yeah, I always thought THS was a lot better too.  From what everyone says, don't bother with Somewhere Else, but I haven't heard it, so...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on January 18, 2010, 04:53:07 AM
I listened to "Hooks In You", and I was impressed.
Gotta love that guitar lick.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: progmonster on January 19, 2010, 01:00:06 PM
MARILLION WEEKEND - 2011 will be in Montreal and Holland again! :eek

I was hoping for Vegas, since it's closer to me here in California. But I hate Vegas to death and I love Montreal. So it's cool with me to go back a visit old friends... :hat

 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on January 19, 2010, 01:16:23 PM
Hmmm... I'm considering it. I do hope that they roll around for Germany, or better, Austria for the next tour, though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 31, 2010, 09:06:00 PM
I got my Rothery fix last night in New York as he and some other musicians jammed on some cool covers and a killer version of Sugar Mice. Very special evening which I won't soon forget. I'd thought about going earlier to his guitar clinic too, but that didn't work out as planned.


I think Nick was there too, but I think he left before I had the chance to corner him.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on February 02, 2010, 01:00:38 PM
I got my Rothery fix last night in New York as he and some other musicians jammed on some cool covers and a killer version of Sugar Mice. Very special evening which I won't soon forget. I'd thought about going earlier to his guitar clinic too, but that didn't work out as planned.


I think Nick was there too, but I think he left before I had the chance to corner him.
Very jealous.  Sugar Mice is my favorite song, bar none.  Here's to you sir...(gives middle finger salute)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 03, 2010, 12:12:50 AM
Montreal again?  :tdwn

then again..even if it were in Vegas, i'd have to start saving right now no matter. And that money really should be saved for a more practical use, like a down-payment on a car.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on February 09, 2010, 07:04:04 PM
I got my Rothery fix last night in New York as he and some other musicians jammed on some cool covers and a killer version of Sugar Mice. Very special evening which I won't soon forget. I'd thought about going earlier to his guitar clinic too, but that didn't work out as planned.


I think Nick was there too, but I think he left before I had the chance to corner him.
Very jealous.  Sugar Mice is my favorite song, bar none.  Here's to you sir...(gives middle finger salute)

Get your hands on the 1/26/88 version from Milan, Italy (From the Curtain Call Box)

Might be the best version I've ever heard, but it's been a while since I've listened a bunch of cassettes I haven't upgraded yet.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on February 14, 2010, 03:54:16 PM
I had Holidays In Eden on yesterday and forgot that I like it almost as much as Seasons End.

I almost always choose Seasons End when it comes down to those two and I'm going to have to remember close the gap a little more when the time comes around again.

Sure, there's that riff in Dry Land that sound like it bad Journey, but I don't think there's a bad song on that album (even the bonus cuts).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on March 04, 2010, 04:21:41 AM
Would you guys be interested in a Marillion Survivor this year?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on April 27, 2010, 11:53:04 AM
I was wondering if anyone has copies of Smoke & Mirrors, and/or Friends & Family that they'd like to sell? As well as Marbles By The Sea, and any of the Making Of albums they released (Another DAT at the Office, Caught in the Net, Fallout, The Making of Brave, ReFracted!, and Unzipped). Many of these releases are out of print on the RacketRecords website and I'd like to get the physical copies of them if possible...

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on April 27, 2010, 08:28:17 PM
Wait, where/what was this thing with Rothery? I had no clue about it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on April 28, 2010, 09:17:51 AM
I just got Tumbling Down the Years double CD a few days ago and it's a pretty damn good compilation live cd. It's the live marillion weekend cd from last year.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 28, 2010, 08:37:04 PM
I was wondering if anyone has copies of Smoke & Mirrors, and/or Friends & Family that they'd like to sell? As well as Marbles By The Sea, and any of the Making Of albums they released (Another DAT at the Office, Caught in the Net, Fallout, The Making of Brave, ReFracted!, and Unzipped). Many of these releases are out of print on the RacketRecords website and I'd like to get the physical copies of them if possible...

-Marc.

For what it's worth, I've got Tales From The Engine Room that I'm selling/trading in this thread:

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=848.msg407441#msg407441



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Nick:

Wait, where/what was this thing with Rothery? I had no clue about it.


It was on the lower west side in New York.  Steve Rothery flew over to pick up a new guitar and while he was there decided to have a low-key guitar clinic at a music store whose name escapes me. Later that evening he performed at a jam session with some local musicans for about an hour or so. It was VERY cool.

It was also a Jive Nation free event.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on May 09, 2010, 05:15:22 PM
Does anyone here have the "Happiness Is The Road" campaign edition boxset? I was wondering if it would be worth the asking price on Marillion's website, which is about $48 USD after shipping... I googled for reviews with images but couldn't find any and would LOVE to see the boxset, up close and personal before I decide to buy it.

Can anyone help me out please?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on May 09, 2010, 07:01:06 PM
If by "campaign edition box set" you meant the two discs and the book of artwork and all that, then sure, I guess?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on May 09, 2010, 07:53:43 PM
If by "campaign edition box set" you meant the two discs and the book of artwork and all that, then sure, I guess?

Exactly that! I just wanna know if you think it's worth getting for what it is - with all the special packaging and artwork.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on May 10, 2010, 10:08:53 AM
I remember paying like 70 to preorder it (I missed the deadline to get my name in the book :(), So I'd say 40 is more worth it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on May 10, 2010, 12:23:32 PM
i have my name on both albums they did it for. true story.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on May 13, 2010, 04:17:24 PM
I remember paying like 70 to preorder it (I missed the deadline to get my name in the book :(), So I'd say 40 is more worth it.

Sweet. Well I'll have to wait til next week (or the week after) for my paycheck to come in, then to clear funds into my PayPal account to order it! HITR is the only Marillion studio album I don't own now! And I even just won (on eBay) the campaign edition of Anoraknophobia (for a hefty price, but totally worth it).

As a side note, I have REALLY been into Marillion lately, and it's clicked with me finally - all the latter-day H-era stuff - and I'm digging albums like Anoraknophobia, marillion.com and This Strange Engine. Even Radiation has some good tracks on it... and I've actually grown to enjoy most of Somewhere Else!

I've also come to view the band's discography in chunks/eras (kind of like Rush, and coincidentally, they're bookended with official live albums) - Fish-Era with The Thieving Magpie, H-Era I (the four H albums released with EMI) with Made Again Live, H-Era II (the 3 following albums released on Castle Records and Anoraknophobia) with Anorak In The UK, and H-Era III (Marbles through Less Is More)... which I hope means an official live album comes out this or next year.

It's just so chill and relaxing and most of the music is just amazing to me now that it's all clicked. A couple years ago, I bought Somewhere Else not long after it's release, at a local FYE, and was hoping I'd hear something like TA or Kino, but was wrong, and the album faded away and gathered dust. Then a year or so later, I bought Script For A Jester's Tear and was surprised at the Genesis-esque sound the band had developed in it's early days. I wasn't in the classic-prog mood at the time so that album fell to the wayside.

Then I heard Marbles and at that time, I was struck by the albums many moods and sounds, and it stuck to me immediately. Since then, I've sought out everything by Marillion (studio, live, even their Racket Records stuff), but mostly recently I've gone into overdrive getting their albums and have spent (quite a bit actually) to get what I want! The band's whole career makes sense to me now, and it's easy for me to move back and forth between eras and understand where the band was and would be going to.

That being the case, I am really excited to hear what the band does next time they hit the studio to record a new album!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 14, 2010, 04:17:06 AM
I've got the HITR campaign boxset, and if you've already got the music then it probably isn't worth it just for some nice cardboard packaging and lots of shiny artwork. But if you want it for collection purposes, then it is what it is, but I doubt you'd be asking the question.


Somewhere Else is a great album, but Michael Hunter's mix makes it sound like a sonic turkey. Honestly, Marbles sounded great, and SE was such a disapointment. I just don't know why they continue to work with Hunter - everything he touches sounds like it's got thin layer of sh1t smeared over it. HITR is acoustically very dull, and some of the Racket releases are awful.  He must be using an iPod as a studio reference system.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on May 21, 2010, 07:53:55 AM
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Thanks again for your order from Racket Records - the following products from your Racket Records order number ------ have shipped on 21st May 2010:

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1 x 'Out Of Season' DVD Box Set (NTSC) (£25.53)
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:caffeine:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on June 12, 2010, 06:11:12 AM
Don't know if this was posted yet, but Fish is going to be finally releasing a live DVD of his performance at NEARfest 2008 in December.

https://www.the-company.com/disco/dvdnearfest.htm

:D
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on June 12, 2010, 09:09:24 AM
You n00b, that's been out SINCE December.

I has it, and it is very nice. :D
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on June 12, 2010, 09:13:52 AM
Quote
Thanks again for your order from Racket Records - the following products from your Racket Records order number ------ have shipped on 21st May 2010:

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1 x 'Out Of Season' DVD Box Set (NTSC) (£25.53)
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:caffeine:

I'm thinking next time I order from Racket, I'm going to get this, along with Tumbling Down The Years. I already got Size Matters last time I ordered a couple weeks ago (along with several other CDs/DVDs). I really need to find time to watch it though as I ordered This Strange Convention (also a couple weeks ago), and still have NOT watched it yet! Stupid work...

Anyway, what are your thoughts on Out Of Season, Zep?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on June 12, 2010, 09:26:59 AM
So far I've watching the first two discs (Friday & Saturday) and they're pretty amazing.  Such killer performances, and a ridiculously amazing set-list.  The performance of "Easter" is pretty wild... H barely sings a note!  Totally brought me right back to what it was like to be there (well... to be at the Montreal convention).  Dying to watch disc 3.  Probably will do that today.  When I was the show in Montreal, the 3rd night was the best of the 3, so I'm fully expecting disc 3 to be even better than discs 1 and 2.


Also, you definitely need to make time to watch This Strange Convention.  Disc 1 of that is fantastic.  Disc 2 is hit or miss, but there's some pretty great stuff on there (the covers of "Toxic" and "Hocus Pocus" are both phenomenal).  And Disc 3 is especially cool for some of the Fish-era stuff. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 21, 2010, 05:09:41 PM
You n00b, that's been out SINCE December.

I has it, and it is very nice. :D

I still need to get this.

Rush always blows crater-sized holes through my music budget. I still haven't gotten that EP by Fish's (former?) rhythm section either.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on August 13, 2010, 10:02:49 PM
So I just watched through the first disc of Wish You Were Here, the very hard to find, out of print, 4-disc video collection from Racket Records. Thanks to ebay, I was able to find a copy of this set, used but in great condition! The box shows some wear and tear, but the discs are practically immaculate! Popular Music is definitely one of their best sets, and it really shows the band playing really really well.

I'm slowly catching up on watching my Marillion DVDs. I have the following so far...
Recital Of The Script
Live From Loreley
From Stoke Row To Ipanema
A Piss-Up In A Brewery (thanks to the recent reprinting!)
Wish You Were Here
Bootleg Butlins
Something Else (companion DVD to Somewhere Else)
This Strange Convention
Somewhere In London

And so far, I've only gotten all the way through Somewhere In London!!! It's been a busy summer, or I just haven't been in the mood to watch DVDs, but I think I am going to slowly catch up on these DVDs. I've spent a good amount of time and money getting some of them, so I should be making time to watch them, after all! I really want to get Out Of Season, though... the sets on those are just amazing! I already own Size Matters on CD, and it's a great set and they played it so well!

What I *really* want to get are Brave Live 2002 and Before First Light, with full album-performances of Brave and Afraid Of Sunlight respectively. Those are two great albums and I'd love to see those DVD documentations of the Marillion Weekend performances of those albums! Unfortunately, those are really hard to find and are often really expensive on the secondary market :(

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Beowulf on December 07, 2010, 02:36:11 PM
La Gazza Ladra (The Thieving Magpie) live double album is the greatest!  All of Childhood live!  All that's really missing is "Freaks" and "Lady Nina".

Needless to say, I've never really gotten into the H-era stuff.  But I am a HUGE fan of the Fish days.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on December 07, 2010, 02:46:37 PM
La Gazza Ladra (The Thieving Magpie) live double album is the greatest!  All of Childhood live!  All that's really missing is "Freaks" and "Lady Nina".

Needless to say, I've never really gotten into the H-era stuff.  But I am a HUGE fan of the Fish days.
Agreed. One of my favorite live albums, right behind Kinks One for The Road and Yessongs.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on December 08, 2010, 03:29:07 AM
I always preferred the Reel To Real live album although it was shorter!
I'm definately a Fish-era fan. I found the H era a bit too U2 and Simple Minds-y for me initially and lost track of them after Brave.
Listened to Brave yesterday and enjoyed it more than I remember but it's a bit depressing, rather like Porcupine Tree. I would have to be in the mood to listen to it, and I'm not often in that sort of mood.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 13, 2010, 08:43:00 PM
La Gazza Ladra (The Thieving Magpie) live double album is the greatest!  All of Childhood live!  All that's really missing is "Freaks" and "Lady Nina".

Needless to say, I've never really gotten into the H-era stuff.  But I am a HUGE fan of the Fish days.

"Freaks" IS on Magpie. One of my favorite versions.

I still like the 1/26/88 concert from Milan, Italy (From the Curtain Call Box) In addditon to the essential Clutching songs, you also get stellar versions of side two of Misplaced Childhood along with "Kayleigh," "Lavender,' and "Heart Of Lothian" from side 1.


It's probably my most listened to Marillion show.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jonny108 on December 15, 2010, 11:26:38 AM
Loving This Strange Engine (track)...Never really had as much of a connection with the Hogarth era as I do Fish but I think somethings about to change....just WOW!  :o ;D

And bleeds and bleeds
And dies for you
And lies
And is to blame
And is ashamed
And is not the same
And is true
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on December 16, 2010, 08:58:50 AM
Montreal again?  :tdwn

I think it's to do with costs, taxes and entry visas. It's easier for US fans to get to Canada than it is for the band to get into the USA. Try telling your government to stop treating everyone from outside the US like they've got bubonic plague, leprosy, contagious homosexuality and terrorism.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on December 16, 2010, 09:33:34 AM
I've tried, but then they put me in a padded room.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Gorille85 on December 16, 2010, 09:41:15 AM
Montreal is awesome! :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 16, 2010, 09:18:32 PM
Loving This Strange Engine (track)...Never really had as much of a connection with the Hogarth era as I do Fish but I think somethings about to change....just WOW!  :o ;D

And bleeds and bleeds
And dies for you
And lies
And is to blame
And is ashamed
And is not the same
And is true


This Strange Engine (album) is among my Hogarth favorites along with Seasons End and Marbles.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on December 17, 2010, 12:00:45 AM
Take out Hope For The Future and TSE is a really good album. But unfortunately, it's there, so it gets pulled down quite a bit. The title track is one of my favourite Marillion songs, though. h goes full throttle on there, which is always good.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jonny108 on December 18, 2010, 07:26:40 PM
Yeah Hogarth should really start to blast it more, I can't enough! Even though I do love a lot of the softer songs.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on December 19, 2010, 09:25:32 AM
I really like h's voice, but I get the feeling that he's been overdoing it with the falsetto on the last few releases, especially on the "Essence" part of HITR. I really enjoyed his singing on Anoraknophobia and Marbles, though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 20, 2010, 09:23:41 PM
I REALLY hope Fish brings this stateside in 2011.

I think it's been almost 25 years since he attempted this nugget of fruity goodness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6lyRYfu5Mg


I had butterflies the first 5 times I watched it. Just wow.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Beowulf on December 21, 2010, 08:54:08 AM
That's a great clip!  Except for all the fans singing over Fish! 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 23, 2010, 09:53:56 PM
That's a great clip!  Except for all the fans singing over Fish! 

But that's exactly what happens at a Fish/Marillion concert.

That's part of the attraction (at least it is for me provided everyone is not completely flat).

Being part of a moment like that is hard to desribe unless you've been there.



On the other side of the coin is this.... where you get the patented Hogarth faux pout routine... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHl4M2D6YUE
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Beowulf on January 03, 2011, 02:02:39 PM
I recently came across a DVD of Fish, and he performs Misplaced Childhood in its entirety.  Its not quite La Gazza Ladra, but its awesome!! 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on January 03, 2011, 02:39:08 PM
Ytserush is right.  I saw him do Sugarmice in SF many moons ago, and you couldn't even hear him, but the solidarity of the fans plus the emotional impact of the song on me brought tears to my eyes.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 04, 2011, 03:03:34 PM
Saw Fish in 09 in Connecticut. Awesome show!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 07, 2011, 09:10:33 PM
Ytserush is right.  I saw him do Sugarmice in SF many moons ago, and you couldn't even hear him, but the solidarity of the fans plus the emotional impact of the song on me brought tears to my eyes.

There's nothing like it. There are very few bands where I have experienced that.


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Posted by: Beowulf 
I recently came across a DVD of Fish, and he performs Misplaced Childhood in its entirety.  Its not quite La Gazza Ladra, but its awesome!!


If that's the 20th Anniversary Return To Childhood DVD, you might enjoy that one more than I do.  It's not bad, but I've listened to the studio and a multitude of live versions from 1985-1988 and it just kills me sometimes to hear Fish do it with his band.

I don't usually get caught up in the nostalgia of the moment, but in this case I do. I have yet to hear a reinterptration of "Misplaced Childhood" that even comes close to the original performances

What's worse is the Fools Company DVD from Holland in 2002. I cry for a different reason when I put that on. Fish's solo work is the reason to have that DVD, but I really have to cringe when I hear Misplaced Childhood on this DVD. I think even Fish admits that this version is below standard due to not having enough time to rehearse it. But as I said, Fish's solo material is very redeeming in this case.
 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on January 21, 2011, 05:57:40 PM
Just a head's up, in about 5-6 weeks time, I will begin a Marillion Survivor over in the Polls/Survivors forum here!

It'll be a HUGE undertaking, so I'm hoping I get plenty of frequent voters each round/album. I've plowed through Spock's Beard/Neal Morse Solo Survivors over the last year with anywhere from 3-12 voters each round/album, but I'm hoping to get a higher average than that with Marillion!

Some preliminary information: I'll do each of the band's 16 Studio Albums in order first, but for the two double-albums, Marbles and Happiness Is The Road, I plan on using 4 Finalists (instead of the normal Top 2), and using the 5th and 6th Place songs from Marbles to go into Consolation, and the 3rd Place of each Volume of HITR for Consolation (each Volume's Top 2 will move to Finals).
After that, I'll do two B-Sides Survivors; One for the Fish-Era, and one for the H-Era. From then on, it should just be Finals.

Anyways, I also wanted to bump this to say just how MUCH I loooooove Marbles, and I rank it as one of my Top 3 Marillion albums (if not number one), and definitely one of my Top 10 albums of all time. And anyone who has only heard the Single Disc version of the album is REALLY missing out on the treat that is the Double Disc version!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 21, 2011, 06:13:14 PM
o rly?..I may have to chek dat one owt.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dittomist on January 21, 2011, 06:50:35 PM
Yay, I am very excited about this survivor. And I also think Marbles is their best album--I love it so much I even named my cat Marbles.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on January 22, 2011, 12:22:52 AM
I'll definitely participate.

Marbles is my second favourite Marillion album, two of the songs on it are in my top 4 Marillion songs. It could be my favourite if it wasn't for The Damage. What an awful song.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: MirzekDT on January 22, 2011, 09:02:01 AM
I'll definitely participate.

Marbles is my second favourite Marillion album, two of the songs on it are in my top 4 Marillion songs. It could be my favourite if it wasn't for The Damage. What an awful song.

The Damage is one of the highlights of the album together with Ocean Cloud and The Invisible Man for me especially the Genie reprise part at 3:03 - 3:33 it's so much awesome
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Pigeon on January 22, 2011, 09:44:10 AM
How is Fugazi compared to Marillion's other albums? Both Fish era and H era
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on January 22, 2011, 09:57:05 AM
How is Fugazi compared to Marillion's other albums? Both Fish era and H era
I like it a lot, but I'm pretty sure the opinions on it are pretty mixed.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on January 22, 2011, 10:03:34 AM
I'll definitely participate.

Marbles is my second favourite Marillion album, two of the songs on it are in my top 4 Marillion songs. It could be my favourite if it wasn't for The Damage. What an awful song.
especially the Genie reprise part at 3:03 - 3:33 it's so much awesome

I love this part.  The Damage is great.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on January 22, 2011, 11:19:02 AM
Sorry, it just pales in comparison to genius songs like The Invisible Man, Neverland, The Only Unforgivable Thing, Ocean Cloud, You're Gone and Don't Hurt Yourself imo. Seems like I'm alone with this, though.

As for Fugazi, I quite like it. Fish's vocals are horribly over-dramatic at times, though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 22, 2011, 11:38:21 AM
Fugazi has it's moments, but it's always been my least favorite Fish-era record, and it's not even close.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dittomist on January 22, 2011, 03:00:13 PM
Yeah, I would agree that Fugazi is the weakest of the Fish albums, but it's still quite good. In fact, I think it has the greatest song from the Fish era: Incubus.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jonny108 on January 22, 2011, 05:40:43 PM
Awesome I'll join in on that survivor poll!  ;D
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 26, 2011, 07:48:31 PM
How is Fugazi compared to Marillion's other albums? Both Fish era and H era
I like it a lot, but I'm pretty sure the opinions on it are pretty mixed.

Fugazi is my favorite Fish album if you don't count Misplaced Childhood and Clutching At Straws. I love it, especially when those songs are performed live.

I'm sure I like a few Hogarth-era albums more but the longer I think about it I'm not really sure. Up there with Seasons End, This Strange Engine and Marbles for sure and probably better than the rest.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: chknptpie on February 12, 2011, 01:53:07 PM
Bump!

Never heard of this band until a live version of Script for a Jester's Tear popped up on Pandora. Way cool song! Where should I start?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on February 12, 2011, 01:55:02 PM
Bump!

Never heard of this band until a live version of Script for a Jester's Tear popped up on Pandora. Way cool song! Where should I start?

Well if you liked that song, definitely check out the rest of their debut album, and the other 3 Fish-era albums. You can't really go wrong with either of them, and if you like them enough, you'll eventually get all four. Be sure to get the 2-disc remaster versions though, as the bonus discs contain some b-sides and other cool tracks!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: chknptpie on February 12, 2011, 01:58:33 PM

Well if you liked that song, definitely check out the rest of their debut album, and the other 3 Fish-era albums. You can't really go wrong with either of them, and if you like them enough, you'll eventually get all four. Be sure to get the 2-disc remaster versions though, as the bonus discs contain some b-sides and other cool tracks!

-Marc.

Sweet! Just one of the many reasons I love Pandora.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on February 12, 2011, 02:07:46 PM
Clutching at Straws and Misplaced Childhood are the best, but as long as you start in the Fish-era you'll be doing great.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on February 12, 2011, 06:29:51 PM
I'll definitely participate.

Marbles is my second favourite Marillion album, two of the songs on it are in my top 4 Marillion songs. It could be my favourite if it wasn't for The Damage. What an awful song.
What's your favorite Marillion album, out of curiosity?
Bump!

Never heard of this band until a live version of Script for a Jester's Tear popped up on Pandora. Way cool song! Where should I start?
Yeah, Script is a good song.  Get Misplaced Childhood and Clutching at Straws (I was never a fan of the debut album apart from the title track).  If you like those enough get the first two as well.  After that, listen to Marbles and prepare for a completely different (better) band.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on February 13, 2011, 03:24:08 AM
I'll definitely participate.

Marbles is my second favourite Marillion album, two of the songs on it are in my top 4 Marillion songs. It could be my favourite if it wasn't for The Damage. What an awful song.
What's your favorite Marillion album, out of curiosity?

Seasons End. Yours?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on February 13, 2011, 10:55:40 AM
Marbles.  Season's End is definitely up there though with Brave and Anoraknophobia.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on February 13, 2011, 05:17:23 PM
Since this thread has made its way back up to the top page, I figured now would be a good time to notify all you fellow Marillion fans that I will begin a Marillion Survivor next month, sometime in the first week of March.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=20558.0

Check out this thread for more information in the coming weeks, and stay tuned to the P/S forum for the Survivor to begin, starting with Script For A Jester's Tear!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on March 02, 2011, 12:14:42 AM
BUMP...just so I can pimp out my Marillion Survivor! Fish-Era fans, I'll be going in Chronological order, so if you love the first four albums, definitely come to the Polls/Survivors Forum and vote Vote VOTE! :tup

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dittomist on March 10, 2011, 10:59:04 PM
The Marillion survivor is up and running (currently on Fugazi, and Misplaced Childhood will be next), so come participate NOW! Not tomorrow, not after breakfast, NOW! :) Or else I will throw a handful of marbles at you.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 10, 2011, 11:22:16 PM
I really wish I had the 2 disc version of Marbles. Drilling Holes, and The Invisible Man are my faves from it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on March 11, 2011, 12:22:50 PM
Less than a month 'til Marillion Weekend in Montreal!  :caffeine:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on March 24, 2011, 09:23:38 AM
https://www.dprp.net/wp/?p=1061

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Marillion announces licensing deal with Snapper

10 Marillion audio and visual back catalogue titles originally released on Marillion’s own label Racket Records, have been licensed by Snapper Music to be reissued worldwide in deluxe packaging.

Marillion formed in 1979 and have sold over 15 million albums worldwide.  Rightly regarded as legends of progressive rock, the band have also continued to evolve and have been keen to embrace the possibilities of the internet, using innovative ways to interact with their audience resulting in an incredibly loyal legion of fans around the world.  They were one of the first bands to have their own website and have been rightly acknowledged as internet pioneers.

The Marillion catalogue re-launch will start in April with a 2CD edition of the acclaimed 2004 release Marbles, which includes the Top Ten Single ‘You’re Gone’.

Racket Records’ Lucy Jordache says “we run a very successful direct to the fans business, but we know that some Marillion fans still want to purchase their CDs and DVDs directly from traditional retailers and Snapper has a proven track record on delivering successful campaigns to retail which is why we chose to do this deal with them.”

Snapper’s Johnny Wilks notes “We are delighted to have secured this deal with Racket Records. This is a great opportunity for retailers around the world to carry classic Marillion back catalogue much of which has previously only been available via mail order”

Interesting... Looks like the albums after Afraid Of Sunlight might get the 2CD Deluxe Package treatment like their first 8 albums were through EMI, starting with a NEW re-re-release of Marbles. I already own the "retail" 2CD version from Racket Records, but if the packaging looks nice, I may have to get Snapper's version as well. Snapper's PT re-releases are really nice, so I'm looking forward to this.

It says 10 albums, so I can only guess the following:
Anoraknophobia (w/ Bonus disc and at least "Number One")
Marbles
Somewhere Else (w/ Something Else DVD?)
Anorak In The UK (RR had a 2CD version)
Brave Live 2002 (God I hope so, I really want this!)
Marbles By The Sea
Smoke
Mirrors
Popular Music
Piston Broke

If it's not even half of those, I'd be happy, but I'd like to get a the set of Smoke/Mirrors/MBTS without having to pay $200+ for all of them. Then again, I probably shouldn't talk considering how much I've spent on "catching up" on their Racket Records releases in the last two years...

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on March 24, 2011, 10:23:09 AM
Hooray!  A new legitimate way of getting the 2CD version of Marbles!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jonny108 on March 30, 2011, 02:22:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TQGaBYSx1c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TQGaBYSx1c)

Just amazing.  Makes me teary.  :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on March 30, 2011, 08:28:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TQGaBYSx1c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TQGaBYSx1c)

Just amazing.  Makes me teary.  :)

:caffeine:

9 days 'til Montreal!!

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tri.ad on April 01, 2011, 02:54:39 AM
Man, I hope they release and tour their new album soon. Being at a Marillion concert must be such a great experience.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on April 01, 2011, 08:32:21 AM
It's amazing.  I've only seen them twice (Marbles tour in '04 and Marillion Weekend in '09) because they pretty much never come to North America, but they put on one hell of a show.  And the crowds are so intense. 

This was the crowd reaction after they played "This Strange Engine".  (And, keep in mind, this was NOT the end of the set... they just pretty much had to stop for a bit because the crowd wouldn't let up.  This went on for like 3 or 4 minutes).  It was (eventually) followed by Neverland...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E7eF4MEhTk
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 06, 2011, 04:28:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TQGaBYSx1c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TQGaBYSx1c)

Just amazing.  Makes me teary.  :)

There were tears of joy (just wow) until he ruined it by singing.

WHY? There was no reason for him to sing that. Does it always have to be about him?

I can't even imagine what that would have been like if the crowd alone just sung the whole song. What would have been wrong with that?


Despite that, it must have been one hell of a vibe.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on April 06, 2011, 05:06:01 PM
WHY? There was no reason for him to sing that. Does it always have to be about him?

Well he IS the lead singer of the band now.  Its kind of his job to sing stuff, crazy as that sounds.  And its always cool to hear H's take on Fish stuff, and that song is really the only Fish song they play with any regularity now, right? 

I mean, H CAN let the crowd sing stuff.  There's a youtube video somewhere with the band playing Wish You Were Here, the crowd started singing along REALLY loudly, and he just smiled and walked off the stage.  So quit yer whining.  H > Fish anyways.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 06, 2011, 05:37:04 PM
WHY? There was no reason for him to sing that. Does it always have to be about him?

Well he IS the lead singer of the band now.  Its kind of his job to sing stuff, crazy as that sounds.  And its always cool to hear H's take on Fish stuff, and that song is really the only Fish song they play with any regularity now, right? 

I mean, H CAN let the crowd sing stuff.  There's a youtube video somewhere with the band playing Wish You Were Here, the crowd started singing along REALLY loudly, and he just smiled and walked off the stage.  So quit yer whining.  H > Fish anyways.

They really don't play ANY pre-89 stuff with regularity (that I know of). He did it a lot more during the first few tours with Marillion.  I'm not saying he has no right to sing that (Well, I am, but that's not really my point). The way it started, it was going to be the most beautiful thing ever and he could have acknowledged that and just let it be. That's all I'm saying.

Hell, at NEARfest in 2008 Fish was singing that and I wished he would have shut his yap during the song too. (But then I'm into audience participation)


Not getting into the Hogarth-Fish "debate."
It's been over 20 years now and Nick will take more enjoyment from his Fish>H argument than I will because half of the time, I have no problem with Hogarth anyway.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on April 06, 2011, 05:59:44 PM
I'm sure the people who were there had no problem with Hogarth singing the song.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jonny108 on April 07, 2011, 04:22:10 PM
I  :heart Marillion.  I think they may have just moved up a spot on my favourite bands.  I just looooove them so much.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on April 11, 2011, 05:05:16 PM
Just got back from Marillion Weekend in Montreal.  Holy crap.  Night 1 was "Holidays in Eden", plus B-sides and a few others.  Night 2 was an "A to Z" setlist, where they played one song starting with each letter from A - Z, with the exceptions of I (for "Intermission") and X (for "X-tra Intermission).  For "Z" they played a medley of Separated Out, Black Dog and Kashmir, which they called "Zeparated Out".  Night 3 was a sort of "choose-your-own-set" setlist, where for each spot in the set, they'd give us a choice between two songs and we'd have to vote for one.  Although for the encore, we had to choose between "The Great Escape" and "Easter", but everybody kept chanting "Both" until they caved.  Earlier in the night, we had to choose between "This Strange Engine" and "Ocean Cloud", and Ocean Cloud won, but just barely, and the crowd kept demanding This Strange Engine... so after the band had played Easter and left the stage, the house lights came back on, the house music started played and people started filing out... but then they retook the stage for an impromptu 4th encore and played This Strange Engine.  Holy awesome.

Full setlists here: https://betterwayoflife.wordpress.com/

Oh, and p.s. ~ h told us they're planning a US tour for Summer 2012.  :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on April 11, 2011, 05:59:57 PM
Sounds like a good time.  I haven't seen them since Brave, and was only my second time, having seen them on Clutching at Straws too.

And I will kindly stay out of the whole Hogarth vs Fish thingy.  They are two different bands with each singer, and both have their plusses and minuses.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on April 11, 2011, 06:13:21 PM
SUMMER TOUR?

ITS NEVER GOING TO COME ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE SOUTH BUT HOLY DAMN THE POSSIBILITY THAT IT COULD HAS ME GIDDY.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on April 11, 2011, 09:29:27 PM
US SUMMER TOUR IN 2012?!?!? AHHHHHHHHHH!! YESSSSS!!!!...*ahem*...

Hopefully (and probably) in support of their upcoming album?

I look forward to seeing them, if I can scrounge up the cash for tickets and if a show is near enough (although anything in MD, VA or PA would be great!).

Also, I cannot wait to get the 2011 Weekend DVD/CDs from RacketRecords, whenever they eventually decide to release them. Between all three nights, each of Marbles's three epics was played as well as "This Strange Engine" and many more great classics!

Good stuff and I hope they release the 2011 Weekend stuff pretty soon!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: DarkEternalNight on April 11, 2011, 10:43:10 PM
It seems as if I do this in every band thread but which Marillion album should I check out first?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on April 12, 2011, 05:50:27 AM
Marbles
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jonny108 on April 12, 2011, 06:50:39 AM
Clutching at Straws or Script for a Jester's Tear.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 15, 2011, 03:40:02 PM
Sounds like Marillion weekend was a hit (Still recovering from Rush weekend myself)

A tour in 2012 would be nice provided the new album is strong (if there is one).

I just stumbled on the Live in Cadogan Hall CD set at a record show last week. Only listened to it a few times, but the second disc is much better than the first one and I didn't like some of the rearrangments of a few songs. One being The Space. Very mellow recording in any case. I actually liked what they did with Hard as Love here.  I really didn't like it on Brave and it just seems to have a lot more depth and sincerity here. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on May 19, 2011, 04:14:07 PM
Bumping this up for two reasons - I could use more voters in my Marillion Survivor!!! I know there are more than 3-4 Marillion fans here, so if you can take a few minutes every other day to vote in my Survivor, that would be awesome! We're about half-way through Holidays In Eden, which I'll admit is one of the weaker of the band's first 4 albums with H, but it's still got some good stuff on it.

Also, I bought the Marillion Friday Night Live CD set, and when I purchased the CDs on Racket, they said the slipcase for the whole set (3 shows) had sold out, it was to my pleasant surprise to find my package had contained the slipcase for the 3 jewel cases! Bonus! I haven't had a chance to listen to them yet, but it should be some good stuff considering they LOVE to play whole albums! I'm just glad they've released them on CD now!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 20, 2011, 06:53:30 AM
UK Christmas shows in December! Whoo! It's been a long time!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jonny108 on May 20, 2011, 09:04:00 AM
 :metal I'll be at Manchester!  :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on May 28, 2011, 09:01:37 AM
Re-bump for updating my Survivor and discussion about Brave! What's everyone's thoughts on this concept album? Do you like or even understand the story? What about the music?

Share your thoughts here and please vote in my Survivor! I hope because Brave is one of the band's more well-known albums that I'll get more than 3-4 votes per round this time! :tup

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on May 28, 2011, 10:39:36 AM
I do like Brave, but I don't think I've listened to it in about a year.  I'll change that soon.  It was one of the albums, along with SFAM that got me into prog and modern music in the first place, so its a pretty important album for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 28, 2011, 10:17:28 PM
Re-bump for updating my Survivor and discussion about Brave! What's everyone's thoughts on this concept album? Do you like or even understand the story? What about the music?

Share your thoughts here and please vote in my Survivor! I hope because Brave is one of the band's more well-known albums that I'll get more than 3-4 votes per round this time! :tup

-Marc.

I guess I'll be THAT guy again.

This album turned me from being an absolute Marillion fanatic (and collector) to just a fan.

Brave puts me to sleep (The version on Made Again is a slight improvement). I've always respected the attempt at the time to try something different but this album does nothing for me. I suppose you could make the argument that it was necessary to get to albums like This Strange Engine,  Radiat10n, or even Somewhere Else.

I also thought that the "story" could be told more economically.  I don't really like much of what Rothery is doing on this album either, which is kind of rare for me.

I don't get much passion or inspiration from that album. I still listen to it about once a year since its release to see if it clicks or I missed something, but it just doesn't happen for me.  (I even watched the video a few times and that didn't convert me either)

Brave and Afraid of Sunlight are the only Marillion albums I have not totally gotten into.  I pretty much love the rest of them (although Less is More isn't much better either).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on June 04, 2011, 03:24:21 PM
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Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on June 04, 2011, 05:37:55 PM
WAT

WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on June 04, 2011, 06:24:38 PM
"Marbles on vinyl"

AFAIK, the track listing on the vinyl version of Marbles is the 1CD track list, and omits the best song on the album, "Ocean Cloud" :-[

It *looks* pretty neat, though! :tup

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on June 06, 2011, 01:57:28 PM
WAT

WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?

They announced it a couple of months ago.  Pre-ordered it back then, but it just finally shipped this week.

"Marbles on vinyl"

AFAIK, the track listing on the vinyl version of Marbles is the 1CD track list, and omits the best song on the album, "Ocean Cloud" :-[

It *looks* pretty neat, though! :tup

-Marc.

Yeah, I'm a little bummed that it's the 1-disc version, but the 1-disc version on vinyl is better than no vinyl at all.

Also, the best song on the album is Neverland, not Ocean Cloud.  :P
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: toro on June 06, 2011, 02:19:59 PM
*Sexy vinyl*

HHNNNNNNNNGGGGG
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: tgstk2 on June 06, 2011, 03:25:57 PM
Allthough marilion has great songs with H and hes great sttl marillion with fish is what counts for me.
That era the music the artwork...more than aweome.

Forgotten sons ....do i need to say more?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 06, 2011, 05:14:53 PM
Allthough marilion has great songs with H and hes great sttl marillion with fish is what counts for me.
That era the music the artwork...more than aweome.

Forgotten sons ....do i need to say more?
Love Forgottten Son's. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 10, 2011, 07:49:30 PM
Allthough marilion has great songs with H and hes great sttl marillion with fish is what counts for me.
That era the music the artwork...more than aweome.

Forgotten sons ....do i need to say more?
Love Forgottten Son's. :hefdaddy

I'm not getting drawn into the Fish/Hogarth thing, but the best version of Forgotten Sons I think I've ever heard was from the Recital of Script recording. There are some other great ones from those years that are nearly as good, but I've always thought that one was the best.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on August 21, 2011, 04:54:08 PM
Hey guys! I know some of you are big fans of Marbles more so than any other H-Era albums, so I'd like to let it be known that my Marillion Survivor will be starting Marbles this evening! Check out the Polls/Survivors Forum tonight (after 9:00-9:30pm US Eastern Time) for the first round! I've been looking forward to this all year, since I started the survivor back in March!

Hope to see a few more fans/voters there!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: chknptpie on August 24, 2011, 09:39:02 AM
So I randomly put on VH1 classic the other day and High Voltage 2010 was on. I didn't recognize the song that just started or the band. Come to find out it was Marillion - Neverland. Wow what a song! Why did I think most people told me the Fish era stuff was the best? Does the rest of the album suck in comparison?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on August 24, 2011, 09:40:55 AM
People who say Fish era is the best are either old fans who are nostalgic for the old "let's try to sound like Genesis did!" style or they're lying to you.  "Neverland" is my favorite Marillion song and one of my favorite songs ever, and the rest of the album isn't as good as the song, but it is their best album and chock full of goodies.  So get the double-disc version if you can find it.  NOW.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 24, 2011, 06:13:35 PM
People who say Fish era is the best are either old fans who are nostalgic for the old "let's try to sound like Genesis did!" style or they're lying to you.  "Neverland" is my favorite Marillion song and one of my favorite songs ever, and the rest of the album isn't as good as the song, but it is their best album and chock full of goodies.  So get the double-disc version if you can find it.  NOW.

Aside from Grendel and some bits of the Script album, I just don't hear the Genesis influence (Besides Fish-Marillion>Gabriel-Genesis).

Neverland is awesome especially live -- as is the rest of Marbles (As is anything Fish ever did with Marillion....as is tradition).


By the way, Neverland will be on again seven hours from now at about 3:15 a.m. on VH-Classic (along with Transatlantic and Emerson, Lake and Palmer).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: elyster on October 25, 2011, 09:29:55 AM
US Tour Dates Announced -

10 June
Sun Washington DC
USA 9:30 Club

12 June
Tues New York City
USA Irving Plaza

13 June
Weds New York City
USA Irving Plaza

15 June
Fri Philadelphia
USA TLA

16 June
Sat Boston
USA Paradise Rock Club

18 June
Mon Quebec
Canada Imperial

19 June
Tues Montréal
Canada L'Olympia

20 June
Weds Toronto
Canada The Opera House

22 June
Fri Chicago
USA Park West

23 June
Sat Chicago
USA Park West

27 June
Weds Los Angeles
USA House Of Blues

28 June
Thurs Los Angeles
USA House Of Blues

29 June
Fri San Francisco
USA The Fillmore

The 2 shows in Chicago, LA and NY will be two completely different set lists.

Chicago here I come!!     :tup

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on October 25, 2011, 09:53:12 AM
US Tour Dates Announced -

10 June
Sun Washington DC
USA 9:30 Club

Soooooo saving up for this!!! It'll be a once-in-a-lifetime chance! I've missed many chances to see many of my favorite bands come through the area (TA, DT, Neal Morse, and many more), but since Marillion don't tour through the US often (once a decade? :lol), this can't possibly be missed!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Jaq on October 25, 2011, 02:24:45 PM
US Tour Dates Announced -

10 June
Sun Washington DC
USA 9:30 Club

Soooooo saving up for this!!! It'll be a once-in-a-lifetime chance! I've missed many chances to see many of my favorite bands come through the area (TA, DT, Neal Morse, and many more), but since Marillion don't tour through the US often (once a decade? :lol), this can't possibly be missed!

-Marc.

I was just talking to my sister about bands that I've never seen and the one that would make me happiest would be Marillion. I am SO going to this date.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 25, 2011, 05:33:21 PM
Philly is automatic.  (I guess a NEARfest gig isn't happening)

Irving Plaza not so much, even given the temptation on unique sets.


I still have to save for Rush, Dream Theater and any other 2012 surprises that might happen next year.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on October 27, 2011, 02:53:54 PM
Man... I wish the NYC show was somewhere better than Irving Plaza... but whatever.  I'll be there both night.  Fo' shizzle.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on October 28, 2011, 12:13:17 AM
So yeah I wasn't really expecting them not to but Marillion is staying the hell away from the south. :(  Maybe I can schedule a vacation to visit my cousin who lives in the city and catch Marillion while I'm there.  This is a once-in-a-lifetime thing and I'd really hate to miss it...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 28, 2011, 12:56:06 AM
USA House Of Blues

29 June
Fri San Francisco
USA The Fillmore



Hmmm, might have to mark that date on the old calender. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: InfraredDream on October 28, 2011, 01:35:02 AM
Everything is too far from me unfortunatelly. Considering SF or NY because there are 2 shows there. SF would be cheaper airfare and as we are 4, that makes quite a difference.
I am very happy the tour is happening and for many of you it will be easy  :heart
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on October 28, 2011, 07:24:43 AM
People who say Fish era is the best are either old fans who are nostalgic for the old "let's try to sound like Genesis did!" style or they're lying to you.  "Neverland" is my favorite Marillion song and one of my favorite songs ever, and the rest of the album isn't as good as the song, but it is their best album and chock full of goodies.  So get the double-disc version if you can find it.  NOW.

Quite frankly, I'd say that's bullshit. :p

I prefer the Fish style but I'm obviously not nostalgic, and while I think Fish naturally sounds a bit like Peter Gabriel I think saying they simply sound like Genesis is a stretch. And as YtseRush pointed out, Fish-era Marillion is better than Gabriel-era Genesis anyway. I've just never gotten into H as much or the material I've heard with H other than Season's End.

HOWEVER.

Neverland is indeed a FANTASTIC song, and probably my favorite that I've heard post-Season's End.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on October 28, 2011, 07:42:59 AM
A. Learn to respond to posts faster you halfwit. :loser:
Two. Fish's voice does sound a bit like a scottish Gabriel, but the music sounds very much like an 80s version of prog-Genesis as well.
3. That was more or less an exaggeration on my part (I thought that was clear with the addition of "or they're lying to you") :P.
IV. but not by much, actually.  Most prog sites and youtube comments about Marillion boil down to how they're so sad Fish left and how much they liked the old, more proggier sound compared to the more alternative sound Marillion has today. 
E. I don't really care to compare Genesis to Marillion since Peter Gabriel solo is better than both of those groups put together.  :biggrin:

Plus, you fail anyways, so your opinion is invalid!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on October 28, 2011, 08:22:59 AM
H > Fish.

The end.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: InfraredDream on October 28, 2011, 01:25:54 PM
H > Fish.

I am an h fan myself, I became HUGE fan because of h actually. But this debate obviously will go forever...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on October 28, 2011, 02:27:25 PM
H > Fish.

The end.

Even the law agrees with me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on October 28, 2011, 02:29:38 PM
H > Fish.

The end.

Even the law agrees with me.

But you don't even agree with yourself!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. DTVT on October 28, 2011, 02:35:40 PM
US Tour Dates Announced -

10 June
Sun Washington DC
USA 9:30 Club

Soooooo saving up for this!!!...this can't possibly be missed!

-Marc.

This show just became a very high priority for me.

While I'm here, Fish era > H era just based on consistancy.  All the Fish era albums are very good or better.  Same can't be said of H era, or to make things more fair, any four album run in H era.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on October 28, 2011, 02:53:14 PM
You can't really judge consistency with those two eras though.  You have four albums from Fish (2 of which are amazing, 2 of which are average, IMO) and what, 11 from Hogarth?  Yeah there are going to be a few duds.  h gave us Season's End, Marbles, Happiness is the Road, Marillion.com, Anoraknophobia, Brave, and Afraid of Sunlight.  I'd say that puts h above Fish easily.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on October 28, 2011, 03:06:38 PM
You can't really judge consistency with those two eras though.  You have four albums from Fish (2 of which are amazing, 2 of which are average, IMO) and what, 11 from Hogarth?  Yeah there are going to be a few duds.  h gave us Season's End, Marbles, Happiness is the Road, Marillion.com, Anoraknophobia, Brave, and Afraid of Sunlight.  I'd say that puts h above Fish easily.

You contradict yourself.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on October 29, 2011, 10:08:59 AM
I thought he was referring to "consistency" as like a string of fantastic albums.  As far as I'm concerned neither era really has that. 

Also, how do you like my new personal text?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on October 29, 2011, 01:23:07 PM
h gave us Season's End, Marbles, Happiness is the Road, Marillion.com, Anoraknophobia, Brave, and Afraid of Sunlight.

I'm saddened this list does not contain This Strange Engine.  Probably my favorite after Marbles...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 29, 2011, 03:21:33 PM
Actually Fish sounds and is more influenced by Peter Hammill than Gabriel. I pretty sure he's even admitted that.


While I'd say Fish has been more consistently great (in terms of my listening experience) There are some great albums made after the split too. (Seasons End, Holidays In Eden, This Strange Engine, Marbles and Radiat10n being among my favorites.)




That said I can never get enough of a Marillion live when Fish was in the band. It's just otherworldly (Listen to anything off of Early Stages or The Curtain Call Boxes for starters).

That magic happens with Hogarth too, but not as often. (See the Marbles Tour show from Philly in 2004 that I was forutnate to attend that was released on the fan club label)


That said, I'm not (again) being drawn into the Fish-Hogarth thing.  (F'n Brad Richards!) It was very painful when it happened (until I bought Vigil and Seasons End) and other than hoping that Fish would find another Rothery (which I don't think he ever found) I've been pretty happy how it all turned out (well, except for Brave, Afraid of Sunlight and Less Is More.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: toro on October 29, 2011, 06:58:14 PM
I just came here to say that I love "Angelina".  :heart :heart :heart :heart
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on October 30, 2011, 10:07:29 AM
Man... I wish the NYC show was somewhere better than Irving Plaza... but whatever.  I'll be there both night.  Fo' shizzle.
Never been there, but I will do both nights for sure!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on October 30, 2011, 01:27:05 PM
It's ok, it's just not set up very well, and is always oversold.  This show will obviously sell out, so chances are it'll be pretty uncomfortable in there :(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on October 31, 2011, 07:15:31 AM
It's ok, it's just not set up very well, and is always oversold.  This show will obviously sell out, so chances are it'll be pretty uncomfortable in there :(

Obviously? I don't understand why, if Marillion has a strong enough draw to sell that place out so easily, this is the first tour in forever of America.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on October 31, 2011, 08:41:44 AM
It's ok, it's just not set up very well, and is always oversold.  This show will obviously sell out, so chances are it'll be pretty uncomfortable in there :(

Obviously? I don't understand why, if Marillion has a strong enough draw to sell that place out so easily, this is the first tour in forever of America.

The last half of your sentence answers the first half of your sentence.

Their lack of touring in America hasn't really been due to their inability to draw a crowd.  It's been due to their inability to convince promoters that they can draw a crowd, and because of the incredibly high cost to them of coming over here.  They haven't toured North America in 8 years.  Fans have been begging for a North American tour over here forever... and they finally get one, and it's only 13 dates in 9 cities.  All the fans who have been waiting all this time are going to find a way to make it to one or two of these shows, and Irving Plaza isn't exactly a huge venue.  I'd be fairly shocked if they don't sell out.  Especially in New York City.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on October 31, 2011, 08:57:53 AM
It's ok, it's just not set up very well, and is always oversold.  This show will obviously sell out, so chances are it'll be pretty uncomfortable in there :(

Obviously? I don't understand why, if Marillion has a strong enough draw to sell that place out so easily, this is the first tour in forever of America.

The last half of your sentence answers the first half of your sentence.

Their lack of touring in America hasn't really been due to their inability to draw a crowd.  It's been due to their inability to convince promoters that they can draw a crowd, and because of the incredibly high cost to them of coming over here.  They haven't toured North America in 8 years.  Fans have been begging for a North American tour over here forever... and they finally get one, and it's only 13 dates in 9 cities.  All the fans who have been waiting all this time are going to find a way to make it to one or two of these shows, and Irving Plaza isn't exactly a huge venue.  I'd be fairly shocked if they don't sell out.  Especially in New York City.
How you think they were fare if they played a place like the Beacon? Do you think they would fill the room for one night?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on October 31, 2011, 09:01:14 AM
Hmm... idunno... Beacon is a lot bigger.  Irving Plaza is about 1,200, while the Beacon is close to 3,000.  The thing about 2 nights at Irving Plaza is that a good chunk of the people going will probably be going both nights, so it's not really like they're selling to 2,400 people... it's more like they're selling to 1,200 people twice.  3,000 is a much bigger number.  I think they would do OK there, but I don't think they'd sell it out.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on October 31, 2011, 09:05:40 AM
Frankly I think the promoters are right. Even given the long wait I don't think they will sell out Irving Plaza.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on October 31, 2011, 05:56:02 PM
Frankly I think the promoters are right. Even given the long wait I don't think they will sell out Irving Plaza.
That's a hard one to calculate. I could see it either way. Its hard to really know how much of a fan base they have after 8 years. I mean sure, were excited, but were a bunch of prog nerds.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on November 01, 2011, 08:29:31 AM
NYC Ticket = bought.  :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lark the Starless on November 01, 2011, 09:16:03 AM
I'll be seeing them in LA on June 27th!  :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on November 01, 2011, 06:45:34 PM
Got tickets for both NYC shows. There was no two day pass available so I bought both shows individually.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on November 02, 2011, 08:13:27 AM
Pre-sale for the two day passes sold out that quickly?  Damn... was it more expensive to buy them as two separate tickets?  The two-day pass I think was $116 after fees...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on November 02, 2011, 08:19:12 AM
Pre-sale for the two day passes sold out that quickly?  Damn... was it more expensive to buy them as two separate tickets?  The two-day pass I think was $116 after fees...
Yay, it was more expensive. It was $139 to buy both shows separate. I waited 8 years, that wasn't going to stop me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on November 02, 2011, 08:22:17 AM
I feel a good DTF pre-show meetup coming on (No Nicks allowed!)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on November 02, 2011, 08:33:00 AM
I feel a good DTF pre-show meetup coming on (No Nicks allowed!)
These shows are going to rock! This is going to be like a Marillion weekend only in the middle of the week!  :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on November 02, 2011, 09:48:57 AM
And with a much shorter commute...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 02, 2011, 04:31:03 PM
Hey folks, I wanna get a Marillion album but have no idea where to break my Marill-hymen. First album to get three mentions will be my pick...GO!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on November 02, 2011, 04:51:08 PM
Hey folks, I wanna get a Marillion album but have no idea where to break my Marill-hymen. First album to get three mentions will be my pick...GO!
I'd go Marbles first.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on November 02, 2011, 05:03:00 PM
Hey folks, I wanna get a Marillion album but have no idea where to break my Marill-hymen. First album to get three mentions will be my pick...GO!
I'd go Marbles first.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on November 02, 2011, 06:11:31 PM
Marbles
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 02, 2011, 06:18:51 PM
I am listening to Misplaced Childhood right now and I am happy as a clam.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lark the Starless on November 02, 2011, 07:01:21 PM
Looks like Marbles won it. I recommend the Fish era albums first and then make your way to the H era albums second.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 02, 2011, 07:23:23 PM
Got Marbles, will listen at some point tonight and, if I have some good things to say, will report back. Thanks for the suggestions y'all :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on November 02, 2011, 08:21:01 PM
FYI - There are two versions of Marbles.  Make sure you've got the full, 2-disc version...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on November 02, 2011, 08:39:30 PM
FYI - There are two versions of Marbles.  Make sure you've got the full, 2-disc version...

This. Make sure your copy of Marbles has a track titled "Ocean Cloud". It's 17 minutes of awesome EPIC.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on November 02, 2011, 08:55:36 PM
There are two versions of Marbles. Be sure to forgo both in favor of Fish era material.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 02, 2011, 09:18:35 PM
FYI - There are two versions of Marbles.  Make sure you've got the full, 2-disc version...

Like duuhhh, whadaya think I've lost my marbles or something? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 03, 2011, 02:25:33 AM
Alrighty, I'm up to The Only Unforgivable Thing so far and really dig the music but don't much care for the vocals. A little thin and weak for my taste but I can just add these guys to the army of bands I listen to in spite of the vocals so I don't see that stopping me from delving further into their discography. Thanks for the help y'all.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on November 03, 2011, 05:55:14 AM
There are two versions of Marbles. Be sure to forgo both in favor of Fish era material.
Hogarth era Marillion is more mature and has more depth then the early stuff. Fish era Marillion is classic but sounds dated. I like it alot but if you want to be a Marillion fan in 2011 you should buy Hogarth era stuff first. This is my humble opinion. I love Hogarth, and he is the man live!
I saw Fish solo last year. It was an awesome show, and I love solo Fish.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on November 03, 2011, 07:47:46 AM
Alrighty, I'm up to The Only Unforgivable Thing so far and really dig the music but don't much care for the vocals. A little thin and weak for my taste but I can just add these guys to the army of bands I listen to in spite of the vocals so I don't see that stopping me from delving further into their discography. Thanks for the help y'all.

Really?  Weird... H is one of my favorite singers... love his voice.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 03, 2011, 10:30:59 AM
There are two versions of Marbles. Be sure to forgo both in favor of Fish era material.

I agree 100% with this.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 03, 2011, 09:47:27 PM
The one show in Philly will have to do.

Jive Nation is getting enough of my money.



Irving Plaza will be VERY close to sold out if not sold out, but it will be the day of the show before it happens. I'd guess at least 75 percent of the crowd will be there for both nights anyway.

I don't think Marillion comes close to filling the Beacon. They have their niche and it isn't big enough to fill the Beacon unless you get another band with a similar following on the bill.

The two night stands in major cities will allow the band to at least break even on this tour. It think it's a solid business decision.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on November 04, 2011, 06:58:26 AM
The one show in Philly will have to do.

Jive Nation is getting enough of my money.



Irving Plaza will be VERY close to sold out if not sold out, but it will be the day of the show before it happens. I'd guess at least 75 percent of the crowd will be there for both nights anyway.

I don't think Marillion comes close to filling the Beacon. They have their niche and it isn't big enough to fill the Beacon unless you get another band with a similar following on the bill.

The two night stands in major cities will allow the band to at least break even on this tour. It think it's a solid business decision.
I agree that they wouldn't fill the beacon. I guess I'm such a big fan I feel like the world is missing out on one of its truly great bands.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on November 05, 2011, 07:29:29 AM
I'm rediscovering "Happiness Is The Road". I'm finding a new appreciation for it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on November 05, 2011, 10:15:07 AM
There are two versions of Marbles. Be sure to forgo both in favor of Fish era material.
Hogarth era Marillion is more mature and has more depth then the early stuff. Fish era Marillion is classic but sounds dated. I like it alot but if you want to be a Marillion fan in 2011 you should buy Hogarth era stuff first. This is my humble opinion. I love Hogarth, and he is the man live!

Am I...agreeing with Tick?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on November 05, 2011, 02:46:19 PM
I'm rediscovering "Happiness Is The Road". I'm finding a new appreciation for it.

The title track of that album is one of the best show closers ever.  They closed Night 1 of the 2009 Montreal Marillion weekend with that song... it ended with the crowd chanting the "Happiness issssssss.... the road!" part over and over again.  First singing along with H.  Then singing along to just the music.  Then singing along after the band had stopped playing and were taking their bows.  Then singing along for like another 5 minutes after the band left the stage for the night.  It was such a cool experience.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 06, 2011, 08:06:40 PM
Although I may not be the biggest H fan, I did listen to Easter today and it was pretty damn good.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on November 06, 2011, 08:21:34 PM
Easter is an amazing song.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on November 07, 2011, 05:20:22 AM
There are two versions of Marbles. Be sure to forgo both in favor of Fish era material.
Hogarth era Marillion is more mature and has more depth then the early stuff. Fish era Marillion is classic but sounds dated. I like it alot but if you want to be a Marillion fan in 2011 you should buy Hogarth era stuff first. This is my humble opinion. I love Hogarth, and he is the man live!

Am I...agreeing with Tick?
I don't know, are you? You are scaring me greatly. :omg:
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Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 11, 2011, 06:44:25 PM
Although I may not be the biggest H fan, I did listen to Easter today and it was pretty damn good.

Easter is amazing, as is most of the Seasons End album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on December 16, 2011, 02:28:25 PM
My car's cd player has died so I dug out a box of cassettes. Season's End was in it and I've played it over and over in the last couple of days. I have not up to this point been a fan of the H era. Initially I missed Fish and I found H's voice to be weak and starined, and, to be honest, a bit bloody miserable. After Brave I gave up.
Saying that I really enjoyed playing Season's End. I could hear Fish singing these songs in my head. Anyway, it made me check out some more recent stuff that I'd just ignored. Marbles appears to be something of a fantastic album. Going to have to delve a bit deeper. Seems I've missed some great music.

Hooks In You rocks though...  :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Postwhore on December 16, 2011, 03:12:35 PM
My wife wants to see Marillion so we're going in June. Last time I saw them was backing up Rush on the Power Windows eour when they did from start to finish, Misplaced Childhood.  Can't wait to see them again.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on December 16, 2011, 08:40:44 PM
Just an update - my Marillion Survivor has reached the Finals! Look for it in the Polls/Survivors forum here and vote please!  :tup

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 18, 2011, 08:06:43 PM
My wife wants to see Marillion so we're going in June. Last time I saw them was backing up Rush on the Power Windows eour when they did from start to finish, Misplaced Childhood.  Can't wait to see them again.

Master-of-the-obvious-guy says not to expect the same concert. (Don't expect any Fish songs.)

 You should enjoy it once they kick it into gear though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Postwhore on December 19, 2011, 04:46:48 AM
I have all their albums post Fish era so I'm really looking forward to seeing them live in a long, long time.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Postwhore on December 22, 2011, 04:26:10 PM
BTW.  How many of you Marillion fans have the B'Sides Themselves CD?  I was going through my collection and I never put this on my I-Pod.  I'm doing that tonight.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on December 24, 2011, 12:34:03 PM
I don't have it, but aren't most or all of those tracks on the various bonus discs for the remasters
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 24, 2011, 02:57:32 PM
BTW.  How many of you Marillion fans have the B'Sides Themselves CD?  I was going through my collection and I never put this on my I-Pod.  I'm doing that tonight.

Great album! (Just put the slab of vinyl on last week)

I think the lion's share of those songs were scattered over bonus discs of the remasters CDs, but I think there was one or two that didn't make it on those. I'd have to check, but the ones that didn't are probably on the Fish singles box.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Postwhore on December 24, 2011, 08:38:27 PM
Boy, I checked out the opening band, Sun Domingo's website.  I like their songs.  I need to check out more of them.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 27, 2011, 04:44:28 PM
Just got Trewavas' side project Edisons Children (well my wife did) in the mail a few days ago, but I/we haven't had the chance to listen to it yet.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on January 14, 2012, 12:50:24 AM
Just got Trewavas' side project Edisons Children (well my wife did) in the mail a few days ago, but I/we haven't had the chance to listen to it yet.

Oh the irony.  Just saw the side project on the IQ forums, did some research, got interested, and came to DTF to get a review.  Went through 4 pages of Marillion thread, only to see this as the last post.   :lol

Reviews seem good, I'd like to know the consensus, though I'll probably buy it anyways.


EDIT: Fuck it, I bought it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 19, 2012, 03:26:18 PM
Just got Trewavas' side project Edisons Children (well my wife did) in the mail a few days ago, but I/we haven't had the chance to listen to it yet.

Oh the irony.  Just saw the side project on the IQ forums, did some research, got interested, and came to DTF to get a review.  Went through 4 pages of Marillion thread, only to see this as the last post.   :lol

Reviews seem good, I'd like to know the consensus, though I'll probably buy it anyways.


EDIT: Fuck it, I bought it.

I like it a lot.

Goes to many places, only a few of which Marillion have ever been.

But perhaps we're the only two here that have it now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. DTVT on January 19, 2012, 05:09:22 PM
If I had known about it I would have been all over it.  It will have to wait though...gravy train is running a little dry.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on January 19, 2012, 09:45:37 PM
Just got Trewavas' side project Edisons Children (well my wife did) in the mail a few days ago, but I/we haven't had the chance to listen to it yet.

Oh the irony.  Just saw the side project on the IQ forums, did some research, got interested, and came to DTF to get a review.  Went through 4 pages of Marillion thread, only to see this as the last post.   :lol

Reviews seem good, I'd like to know the consensus, though I'll probably buy it anyways.


EDIT: Fuck it, I bought it.

I like it a lot.

Goes to many places, only a few of which Marillion have ever been.

But perhaps we're the only two here that have it now.

It's pretty good, haven't given it a thorough listen to yet, just breeze over it a couple of times.  I will wait till I do it proper justice before passing official judgement on it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on January 27, 2012, 07:42:31 AM
Just a heads up to anyone here reading this - my Marillion survivor is down to the TOP TEN songs!!! (Well, tomorrow night it will be).

Up in the voting right now -

Incubus
Seasons End
The Great Escape
Afraid Of Sunlight
House
Neverland
The Invisible Man
Happiness Is The Road
Trap The Spark
Ocean Cloud
Berlin

And it seems "Trap The Spark" will be voted out, leaving ten left! I'd like to see a few more voters and votes for the Top Ten as I round this (extremely) long survivor toward the finish line!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 27, 2012, 11:51:00 PM
Apparently, nobody listens to the first four studio albums....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on January 28, 2012, 04:35:42 PM
Or H just has better songs overall. :D
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 31, 2012, 03:12:37 PM
Or H just has better songs overall. :D
A few anyway....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on January 31, 2012, 06:37:34 PM
Apparently, nobody listens to the first four studio albums....

They made albums after Fish left?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. DTVT on January 31, 2012, 07:01:37 PM

Incubus
Seasons End
The Great Escape
Afraid Of Sunlight
House
Neverland
The Invisible Man
Happiness Is The Road
Trap The Spark
Ocean Cloud
Berlin


> no Sugar Mice

List invalid.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 31, 2012, 07:01:49 PM
Apparently, nobody listens to the first four studio albums....

They made albums after Fish left?

You took the words right out of my mouth.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on January 31, 2012, 07:02:49 PM
So I've been meaning to listen to this band, and I noticed that the local music shop just stocked what looked like special edition reissues of several albums like Marillion.com and Marbles for about $19.99 each. These reissues worth getting or should I just buy used copies of them?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. DTVT on January 31, 2012, 07:04:38 PM
If a band is new, getting used is cool way to do it cheap.  If you decide you like them, new is the way to go as it puts money in the band's pocket.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on January 31, 2012, 07:10:57 PM
Yeah, but I just bought SB's Octane cheap and found out that there's a special disc with more songs that wasn't in the edition I bought, so I was just wondering if these reissues had any extras worth having like good bonus tracks or something.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dr. DTVT on January 31, 2012, 07:22:32 PM
That's different.  That was a special edition, not a re-issue.  I have nothing against reissues, except when they put too much crap on them.  The only one I can think of in the Marillion catalog is make sure you get the 2CD Marbles, and not the 1CD version.  As for the rest, a reissue will have all the originals, so at that point its about price point and your desire to give to the band.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on January 31, 2012, 10:10:01 PM
Reasons to get those two albums:
Marbles - Contains three of their best epics in years ("The Invisible Man", "Ocean Cloud" and "Neverland"), but be sure to get the 2CD version!
marillion.com - Contains 5 tracks produced by Steven Wilson, and has such awesome tracks as "Interior Lulu" and "House"

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on February 01, 2012, 07:11:09 PM
Final Nine, guys! I'd really like some more input and votes from you fans here, especially the H-Era ones!

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=30741.0

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 02, 2012, 04:09:08 AM
Reasons to get those two albums:
Marbles - Contains three of their best epics in years ("The Invisible Man", "Ocean Cloud" and "Neverland"), but be sure to get the 2CD version!
marillion.com - Contains 5 tracks produced by Steven Wilson, and has such awesome tracks as "Interior Lulu" and "House"

-Marc.

Even though I'm not a huge H fan, I have to admit that Ocean Cloud is absolutely amazing, especially at 8:26. The first time I heard that, I almost passed out. it was that damn good. Invisible man is pretty sweet too.

Both tracks are on my H-playlist, along with Easter, which is hands down my favorite Marillion track  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on February 02, 2012, 09:40:33 AM

Incubus
Seasons End
The Great Escape
Afraid Of Sunlight
House
Neverland
The Invisible Man
Happiness Is The Road
Trap The Spark
Ocean Cloud
Berlin


> no Sugar Mice

List invalid.

Honestly, that and Warm Wet Circles are the only Fish songs I'd include in a Marillion top ten.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on February 03, 2012, 02:28:52 PM
Here's a little something for those who like vinyl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhJ5CKBdhdk&feature=related




This is better than drugs....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=0_RyIXkf5-A&feature=fvwp




And this is from the way back machine.....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAvM_F5Bj5Y&feature=related




yeah...I wasted some time today....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on February 08, 2012, 08:29:02 AM
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=30857.0

Finaly 8 Songs, guys...I know there are plenty of fans here, so I'd like to see more than just 2 votes in the last of the Finals rounds if possible.

Also, if you love "Ocean Cloud", you'll vote!!! (For anything other than OC :tup)

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on February 14, 2012, 05:39:50 PM
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=30967.0

Everyone vote for "The Great Escape" so Marbles' three epics can be the Marillion Survivor Top Three!  :lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 15, 2012, 12:54:29 PM
I just bought Happiness Is The Road: pt. 1 and 2, and Somewhere Else. Going to listen to these now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on February 16, 2012, 08:55:42 AM
Happiness is a pretty good album... the title track is an epic way to close a set.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 16, 2012, 09:41:52 AM
I only got through Somewhere Else, it has some cool songs. Happiness, so far is great.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on February 16, 2012, 12:34:09 PM
Yeah, Somewhere Else definitely isn't one of their best albums...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 21, 2012, 07:28:03 PM
So today I finally bought Fugazi and I really like it a lot. It really has a passionate edge to it and I wish I would have gotten it sooner.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on February 22, 2012, 03:30:21 PM
This world... is totally Fugazi!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on February 23, 2012, 07:34:17 AM
So anybody else been following the "favorite song" voting on Marillion's Facebook page?  I wonder if this has anything to do with selecting the setlist for their upcoming US tour....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on February 23, 2012, 07:38:43 AM
So anybody else been following the "favorite song" voting on Marillion's Facebook page?  I wonder if this has anything to do with selecting the setlist for their upcoming US tour....
I have voted everyday. I would assume there is some sort of reason for it. I'm thinking it will probably help shape the set lists.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on February 28, 2012, 12:11:04 AM
Bought a whopping six albums yesterday, as a few were dirt cheap and my local record store rarely has any Marillion:

Script For A Jester's Tear
Misplaced Childhood
Clutching At Straws
Marillion.com
Marbles
Less Is More

Only listened to the first four on the list so far. Not sure if I can get into this band, after everything I've heard, only a few songs from the 80s albums did anything for me, and Marillion.com sounded too much like they were trying to emulate some other 90s band at the time. Maybe it'll take some repeated listens.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on February 28, 2012, 06:57:31 AM
Marbles is pointless unless it's the full 2-disc version with "Ocean Cloud" (and a couple other tracks not included on the 1-disc version). If you don't listen to the full version, you don't get the full effect of the album!

Less Is More is an acoustic re-recording/re-working of older songs (and one new song), so it's really a reader's digest version of H-Era Marillion with simpler arrangements.

As for the Fish-Era albums you got, if you liked those three, definitely get Fugazi, as I think it's their 2nd best of the Fish-Era albums (with Misplaced Childhood as number one).

Marillion.com isn't TOO great, although the last two tracks are amazing, and many of the tracks are produced by Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree/Blackfield/No-Man/etc.etc.

Dot Com falls under a run of albums that sound pretty same-y to me, even as a fan who knows much of the catalog. I put their albums in chunks of four (like Rush, but it just happened to work out that way):
Fish-Era
H-Era 1 (their last four albums with EMI)
H-Era 2 (from This Strange Engine to Anoraknophobia)
H-Era 3 (from Marbles to now)

I would highly suggest Brave and Happiness Is The Road (2CD version). If by THEN you can't get into them, then they're probably just not for you, but at least you gave them a chance! :tup

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on February 28, 2012, 10:52:33 AM
Reading your post, I don't think I should continue.  :lol If Misplaced Childhood is the best of that era, then there's no hope for me. Only liked the first two tracks. And I honestly thought Interior Lulu and House were incredibly boring when I got to that part of the album.

Eh. Different strokes for different folks. But I'll give all of these albums another shot down the road, I promise. And yes, it was the 2-disc version of Marbles I bought. After being told "if you like this band, then you'll love Marillion" so many times, I really want to like them, but it just wasn't doing it for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on February 28, 2012, 12:17:42 PM
Reading your post, I don't think I should continue.  :lol If Misplaced Childhood is the best of that era, then there's no hope for me. Only liked the first two tracks. And I honestly thought Interior Lulu and House were incredibly boring when I got to that part of the album.

Eh. Different strokes for different folks. But I'll give all of these albums another shot down the road, I promise. And yes, it was the 2-disc version of Marbles I bought. After being told "if you like this band, then you'll love Marillion" so many times, I really want to like them, but it just wasn't doing it for me.

I was in your shoes when I first discovered Marillion. It was back in 2005, not long after I started my journey through the world of prog and discovered Transatlantic. When I found out their supergroup status, I sought out albums from their parent bands (other than DT, who I had already been familiar with for over a year). I found Spock's Beard to be most to my liking (and they still are), with The Flower Kings channeling the Genesis/Yes sound, but Marillion was an oddball. I got a few of their albums and the Fish-Era sounded like a cheap Gabriel-Era Genesis knock-off with cheesier 80's synths and over-dramatic vocals, then found their later stuff to be too...well, less what I liked.

After a couple years of hearing more and various prog bands, I went back to Marillion, and took a chronological journey through their discography and discovered their evolution from Genesis-inspired neo-prog to something that became like a melding of their early H-Era sound and Porcupine Tree. Being a fan of PT really helped me appreciate their sound - they're both British, have such unique vocals, and create atmospheres with their music, rather than music full of riffs and flashy virtuosity. Marillion was/is all about mood, atmosphere and emotion, rather than power and speed. Since then, albums like Marbles and Happiness Is The Road have become favorites of mine, and the former even ranks among my Top 10 albums of ALL time.

I think a band like Marillion takes a LOT of time to understand, and deservedly so as their evolving sound really deserves a chronological understand of where they've been, and where they're going. Each album, to me (now), has it's own sound and feel, it's own atmosphere, and you get a sense that each album really has it's own identity, which is brilliant considering only a few of their albums are conceptual (the four Fish-Era albums, Brave, Marbles).

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on February 28, 2012, 12:54:51 PM
I got a few of their albums and the Fish-Era sounded like a cheap Gabriel-Era Genesis knock-off with cheesier 80's synths and over-dramatic vocals, then found their later stuff to be too...well, less what I liked.

Wow. That's nearly word-for-word how I was going to describe the eighties stuff, but I thought I'd be coming off as too harsh. But honestly, it took me a while to "get" Spock's Beard and Transatlantic, so maybe I'm just in the same boat you were (Hell, I bought the King Crimson album Islands with them, and I couldn't stand that either). I'll definitely come back to these, but I think for now they're just going to sit there for a few months, or at least until I've kind of forgotten my initial thoughts on the stuff.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on March 01, 2012, 02:22:50 PM
I got a few of their albums and the Fish-Era sounded like a cheap Gabriel-Era Genesis knock-off with cheesier 80's synths and over-dramatic vocals, then found their later stuff to be too...well, less what I liked.

Wow. That's nearly word-for-word how I was going to describe the eighties stuff, but I thought I'd be coming off as too harsh. But honestly, it took me a while to "get" Spock's Beard and Transatlantic, so maybe I'm just in the same boat you were (Hell, I bought the King Crimson album Islands with them, and I couldn't stand that either). I'll definitely come back to these, but I think for now they're just going to sit there for a few months, or at least until I've kind of forgotten my initial thoughts on the stuff.

I guess you just had to be there at the time. Listening backwards from the modern era it will sound old fashioned. At the time they weren't "cheesy 80s synths", they were the modern stuff.
 The Fish era is all I can really get into. The H era has grown on me recently, and some is very good, but those first albums were awesome. H's voice is the problem for me. He sounds so strained- no power to it.
And give me Fish lyrics any day.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 01, 2012, 06:50:35 PM
So over the past few months I have been kind of struggling to get into the H-era. Wasn't too big into Brave, liked certain parts of Marbles and have been hot and cold with Season's end.

But now for the good news. I just bought Afraid of sunlight 2 days ago and have listened to it 3 times already. With the exception of Cannibal surf Babe I really like this album and I guess its exactly what I wanted out of Hogarth Marillion.

Ultimately, I am trying to get myself ready for this summer Marillion tour, cause I must see them live.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on March 01, 2012, 07:56:29 PM
I love all Marillion albums.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 03, 2012, 01:59:01 PM
Hard as love has been stuck in my head all day. I love that intro.

After about 4 attempts, I am very happy to say that H-era is finally clicking with me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 16, 2012, 02:41:09 PM
I'm craving a little more H-era.

Right now I have:

1. Brave
2. Season's End
3. Marbles
4. Afraid of sunlight

Could you guys recommend where to go next.  Thanks
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 18, 2012, 10:44:26 PM
I'm craving a little more H-era.

Right now I have:

1. Brave
2. Season's End
3. Marbles
4. Afraid of sunlight

Could you guys recommend where to go next.  Thanks

My Hogarth Favorites are:

Seasons End
This Strange Engine
Marbles
Holidays In Eden
Radiat10n

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on March 18, 2012, 10:53:13 PM
I'm craving a little more H-era.

Right now I have:

1. Brave
2. Season's End
3. Marbles
4. Afraid of sunlight

Could you guys recommend where to go next.  Thanks

Those four are probably some of the best H-Era ones, although I would add Anoraknophobia and Happiness Is The Road. If you get through those two next, then toss in Marillion.com and This Strange Engine. After that, all you've got left is Holidays In Eden, Radiat10n, and Somewhere Else, and for me, those are near the bottom-end of the H-Era albums, although each of them have some good tunes.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on March 19, 2012, 06:46:11 AM
Get Happiness is the Road and Anoraknophobia first, then Marillion.com

I really need to get Afraid of Sunlight and This Strange Engine at some point...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on March 21, 2012, 05:37:49 AM
Get Happiness is the Road and Anoraknophobia first, then Marillion.com

I really need to get Afraid of Sunlight and This Strange Engine at some point...
The title track, "This Strange Engine", may be the most epic Marillion song ever! Its an autobiographical tale of Hogarth's childhood and a truly amazing song.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on April 02, 2012, 08:58:26 AM
This just in...

Quote
2 April 2012 - New Album Pre-Order Campaign

After what seems like an AGE to us (and you too, no doubt!) we have decided on the songs which will comprise our next album and we can tell you that the next Marillion album will be titled...

SOUNDS THAT CAN'T BE MADE

Backing tracks are already finished and we're now at the overdub stage (or "the colouring-in"). We have song titles too, but we'll wait just a little longer before announcing those.

We are planning to create exclusive Special Editions of ’Sounds That Can’t Be Made’ which we'll be making available as a PRE-ORDER directly from us through marillion.com

Following the success of previous pre-orders, we plan to make 2 different versions available:

Option 1: Deluxe Campaign Collectors CD Edition
This version will include 128 pages of artwork & lyrics presented in a deluxe hard back book. This collectors edition will also contain an extra DVD disc featuring interviews with the band and a selection of tracks performed live at the Racket Club; all filmed during various stages of the making of the album.

You can Pre-Order the Deluxe Camapign Edition from:
https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/sounds-deluxe.htm

Option 2: The Standard 1CD Release
This version will be a 1CD Jewel case version of the album containing song lyrics & condensed album artwork.

You can Pre-Order the Standard 1CD Edition from:
https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/sounds.htm

When will it be released? What will be on it? When can I order? What about a tour?

Just like previous pre-orders, we have set up a page on our website to answer all of these questions, and will continue to add to the list as we receive feedback from you by email and on our Forum/Facebook pages.

What we CAN tell you though, is that we expect the album to be ready sometime before September 2012 (we can't set a firm release date as our creative process doesn't always run to a timetable..) with an extensive tour planned throughout 2012 and into 2013.

All the tour dates have now been announced and are up on the marillion.com TOUR section. https://www.marillion.com/tour/index.htm

From the US onwards we will perform occasional "2 nighters". These shows will have a completely different set-list across each of the 2 nights. This will happen in the following towns:
New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Amsterdam, Paris, Milan and Barcelona

We have also announced the 2013 dates for our bi-annual Marillion Weekends in Holland, Montreal and the UK! See www.marillionweekend.com for more details.

Phew! We hope we'll see a lot of each other over the coming months.

Okay, back to Sounds That Can't Be Made......

You are able to pre-order the album NOW, and each pre-order for the Deluxe Campaign CD Edition will automatically enter you into a variety of prize draws including:

Sound-check/ front row passes to the 'Sounds That Can’t Be Made' tour, Meet-and-greets, Signed artwork, Your own private Marillion gig PLUS more as we think of them!
Only the first 5000 people to pre-order will appear in the thanks list. (We would thank you all, but we'd need a bigger booklet!)

By being part of the ’Sounds That Can’t be Made’ Pre-Order Campaign you will once again be acting as our "Record Company" by contributing to the recording, manufacture and marketing of the album.
We'd rather make this album with you. We did it before and it was great. When we skipped the pre-order for Somewhere Else we know that many of you felt disappointed that you weren’t part of the ‘whole process’. So it's no longer about the money, it's about the taking-part and a show of faith. This, frankly, blows our minds, and your support means more to us now than ever.

We meet so many bands who are envious of our amazing family around the world and we certainly don't take this for granted. We now find ourselves famous for the "Marillion business model" which is a scream, really, because the term debases what's really going on. We thank you all for being a part of this thing in the past; just as we gratefully acknowledge everyone who will preorder this forthcoming album.

So there you go - the new pre-order!

If you have any QUESTIONS, please, PLEASE go to https://www.marillion.com/preorder/index.htm (where most issues will already be
addressed) before writing to us - it'll be quicker. You can also join the discussions on the Marillion Online Forums (which we constantly monitor) if you have any outstanding queries.

We're very excited about this album - it's taken us some years to ensure it's something special. We hope over the next few weeks and months to thank you for your loyalty - we will try and keep updating you regularly with updates from the studio; both by email and in our new Racket TV Lounge (https://www.marillion.com/tvlounge.htm) on the new and fabulous marillion.com website!


It won't be long, yeah..

h, Ian, Mark, Pete, Steve


You can Pre-Order the Deluxe Camapign Edition from:
https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/sounds-deluxe.htm

You can Pre-Order the Standard 1CD Edition from:
https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/sounds.htm

Can't wait! :metal

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on April 02, 2012, 12:52:08 PM
marilion.com seems to be broken :(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 02, 2012, 12:58:08 PM
marilion.com seems to be broken :(

Yeah it does.  :'(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on April 02, 2012, 01:05:45 PM
marilion.com seems to be broken :(

Yeah it does.  :'(

Apparently the hordes of fans pre-ordering today have broken the site's bandwidth limit and thus, have caused it to shut down for periods at a time.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 02, 2012, 08:28:59 PM
I'm waiting until they know they have their 5,000 and THEN I'm pre-ordering the Deluxe Campaign Edition.



Looks like we'll be hearing some songs live that won't be officially released yet. Cool!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dittomist on April 16, 2012, 02:10:45 PM
I just bought a ticket to see Marillion in San Francisco! I've never traveled so far for a concert before but I can't think of any band more worthy than Marillion. I am so excited to finally see them live!  :)
And because I've been geeking out on their music lately, I couldn't resist making a top 20 Marillion songs video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1gWH0fm6fw
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 28, 2012, 05:51:08 PM
Theirs a Facebook petition for Marilion to get on Jimmy Kimmel Live. I can't post a link but it shouldn't be hard to find as Marilion posted the link on their Facebook page.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on June 06, 2012, 04:02:44 PM
Tour starts this weekend!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 06, 2012, 04:05:32 PM
SF show is the same weekend as DT, gonna be missing it, can't get both days off of work. :(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Postwhore on June 06, 2012, 04:15:29 PM
F'ed!!  Wedding Saturday on the same night as Boston. :censored :censored :censored
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on June 06, 2012, 08:48:23 PM
Listen, you can always watch a wedding some other time.  You'll have plenty to go to.  This is Marillion.  In North America for a non-Marillion weekend.  If you don't go I'll never forgive you.

Same with you Lonestar.  DT tours your area all the time.  Go see them (hopefully) play Sugar Mice.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on June 06, 2012, 09:05:19 PM
Can't wait until the concert Tuesday night! Its my last day of school and I'm leaving for New York right when I get out. I wish I could go to the second show as well but I won't be able to make it. I'm really looking forward to the new songs.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 06, 2012, 10:41:07 PM
Listen, you can always watch a wedding some other time.  You'll have plenty to go to.  This is Marillion.  In North America for a non-Marillion weekend.  If you don't go I'll never forgive you.

Same with you Lonestar.  DT tours your area all the time.  Go see them (hopefully) play Sugar Mice.

They will not be playing Sugar Mice (I seriously doubt any Fish songs get played.) I'll send you a vinyl copy of Exit...Stage Left if Sugar Mice does get played on this tour.



Hmm...I still haven't pre-ordered the new album yet. I'd better get on that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on June 06, 2012, 10:45:17 PM
Why wouldn't they?  Its like the only Fish-era song they still play on anywhere close to a regular basis.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on June 06, 2012, 10:59:08 PM
Listen, you can always watch a wedding some other time.  You'll have plenty to go to.  This is Marillion.  In North America for a non-Marillion weekend.  If you don't go I'll never forgive you.

Same with you Lonestar.  DT tours your area all the time.  Go see them (hopefully) play Sugar Mice.

They will not be playing Sugar Mice (I seriously doubt any Fish songs get played.) I'll send you a vinyl copy of Exit...Stage Left if Sugar Mice does get played on this tour.



Hmm...I still haven't pre-ordered the new album yet. I'd better get on that.

At the last Marillion weekend, they did an A-to-Z set their second night, and played the following:
"Psuedo Silk Kimino"
"Sugar Mice"
"Jigsaw"

All Fish-Era songs...so it's likely they may stick one or two or all three of those in the upcoming set lists!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 06, 2012, 11:07:11 PM
I suppose we won't have long to wait to find out.

May get one or two on the two-night stands.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 06, 2012, 11:39:38 PM
Actually I've seen Marillion three times, and Fish solo, so it's not like my first and last chance or anything, plus I would prefer to see DT again to be honest.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on June 07, 2012, 07:24:04 AM
WELL THEN I HOPE YOU ENJOY YOURSELF.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 07, 2012, 07:55:30 AM
Don't be mad bud. If it makes you feel any better, my brother chose Marillion over DT.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2012, 08:29:16 AM
But then how are you suppose to introduce him to John Petrucci? :(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 07, 2012, 08:41:46 AM
^^^

   Nick, are you going to go to that TLA show?

If I can get the money together, then I'll definitely go, but I'm not 100% sure yet.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2012, 08:42:12 AM
No, my interest in H era is minimal, so no show for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 07, 2012, 08:44:10 AM
But then how are you suppose to introduce him to John Petrucci? :(

Payback for when he met Jon Anderson, and sent me pics of him and Jon for days.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2012, 08:45:25 AM
But then how are you suppose to introduce him to John Petrucci? :(

Payback for when he met Jon Anderson, and sent me pics of him and Jon for days.

Like different pics? How many can you possibly get with him in one meeting? :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 07, 2012, 08:51:51 AM
He took three, and kept sending them.  Big brothers can be real assholes at times, especially when it comes to meeting my musical hero.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2012, 08:54:00 AM
It's okay, before and after my interview with Jon all he could talk about is how he would rather be talking to you, and how he hated your brother.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 07, 2012, 09:06:16 AM
It's okay, before and after my interview with Jon all he could talk about is how he would rather be talking to you, and how he hated your brother.

I don't blame him, my brother's a dick on his best days. :P
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Postwhore on June 07, 2012, 03:17:27 PM
Listen, you can always watch a wedding some other time.  You'll have plenty to go to.  This is Marillion.  In North America for a non-Marillion weekend.  If you don't go I'll never forgive you.

Same with you Lonestar.  DT tours your area all the time.  Go see them (hopefully) play Sugar Mice.

You don't know how much I agree with you but it's my friends daughter whom I've been friends for for 30 years.  I can't.


 :censored :censored :censored :censored :censored :censored
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on June 07, 2012, 03:20:24 PM
I just listened to Marillion for the first time and I must say that I quite like what I have heard (Sugar Mice, The Last Straw). Definitely have to add them to the list of bands that I have to buy albums of.

What would you guys recommend to begin with?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 07, 2012, 03:31:03 PM
I just listened to Marillion for the first time and I must say that I quite like what I have heard (Sugar Mice, The Last Straw). Definitely have to add them to the list of bands that I have to buy albums of.

What would you guys recommend to begin with?

Both of those songs are on Clutching At Straws so you might as well start with that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on June 07, 2012, 03:40:15 PM
Ok, I'll do that. If it's not too expensive, then these two tracks are probably worth the buy alone.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 07, 2012, 08:05:46 PM
I just listened to Marillion for the first time and I must say that I quite like what I have heard (Sugar Mice, The Last Straw). Definitely have to add them to the list of bands that I have to buy albums of.

What would you guys recommend to begin with?

Misplaced Childhood

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/68/Marillion_misplacedchildhood.jpg/220px-Marillion_misplacedchildhood.jpg)

One of my favorite albums of all time. Of all time.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jeebustrain on June 08, 2012, 08:09:58 PM
I'm so pumped. I have tickets for both Chicago shows, and a couple weeks ago found out that I won a pair of slots for a band meet and greet on Friday night. This is going to kick so much ass.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 09, 2012, 12:55:08 PM
I just listened to Marillion for the first time and I must say that I quite like what I have heard (Sugar Mice, The Last Straw). Definitely have to add them to the list of bands that I have to buy albums of.

What would you guys recommend to begin with?

Misplaced Childhood

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/68/Marillion_misplacedchildhood.jpg/220px-Marillion_misplacedchildhood.jpg)

One of my favorite albums of all time. Of all time.

It IS my favorite of all-time. Undisputed number 1.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dittomist on June 09, 2012, 01:45:00 PM
Congratulations on getting those meet and greet slots, Jeebustrain! I entered that contest but didn't win--at least I don't have to nervously prepare something interesting to say to one of my favorite bands, hoping I don't embarrass myself, haha.
For those attending Marillion shows, are you going to read reviews of previous shows or are you going to avoid them altogether so the setlist will be totally unpredictable? I love the idea of not knowing what songs will be played, but damn, I'd like to know how the tour has been going! I really hope they play The Invisible Man!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on June 09, 2012, 04:38:27 PM
I just listened to Marillion for the first time and I must say that I quite like what I have heard (Sugar Mice, The Last Straw). Definitely have to add them to the list of bands that I have to buy albums of.

What would you guys recommend to begin with?

Misplaced Childhood

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/68/Marillion_misplacedchildhood.jpg/220px-Marillion_misplacedchildhood.jpg)

One of my favorite albums of all time. Of all time.
+1. This is the album that got me into progressive music.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 11, 2012, 05:33:24 AM
Anyone who starts out in 2012 listened to Marillion for the first time and starts with a Fish era album should be driving a Dolorean.
(https://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii324/jawkjaw/back_to_the_future-11374-1.jpg)
CANT WAIT FOR TOMORROW NIGHT!!! :metal
2 SHOWS BACK TO BACK IN NYC!!!
H IS THE MAN!!!!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on June 11, 2012, 08:46:57 AM
Anyone who starts out in 2012 listened to Marillion for the first time and starts with a Fish era album should be driving a Dolorean.

I've rather drive a great old car than a modern car with square wheels.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 11, 2012, 11:49:07 AM
Anyone who starts out in 2012 listened to Marillion for the first time and starts with a Fish era album should be driving a Dolorean.

I've rather drive a great old car than a modern car with square wheels.
Certainly your loss, Mr. Nick!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 11, 2012, 12:00:13 PM
And the eternal H vs Fish battle continues....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 11, 2012, 12:26:32 PM
And the eternal H vs Fish battle continues....
Not a battle for me. I love Fish as well, but H has been the singer for 25 years!!!
and he's great!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 11, 2012, 12:38:06 PM
Christ, it has been 25 years, fuck I'm getting old.  I was just out of high school when Clutching at Straws came out, and now tomorrow is my baby girl's last day of high school. Where the hell does the time go. :'(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 11, 2012, 01:15:46 PM
Christ, it has been 25 years, fuck I'm getting old.  I was just out of high school when Clutching at Straws came out, and now tomorrow is my baby girl's last day of high school. Where the hell does the time go. :'(
Tell me about it. the kids on this board have no idea how fast life flys by. I think H took over in 87.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on June 11, 2012, 05:17:17 PM
Ha!  It was 1988!  So...there?  :P

But seriously, Fish made two great albums with 'em but H gave us Season's End, Brave, Marbles, Marillion.com, and Afraid of Sunlight.  Anoraknophobia might be up there too, haven't listened to it in a while.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on June 11, 2012, 05:21:08 PM
Ha!  It was 1988!  So...there?  :P

But seriously, Fish made two great albums with 'em but H gave us Season's End, Brave, Marbles, Marillion.com, and Afraid of Sunlight.  Anoraknophobia might be up there too, haven't listened to it in a while.

I agree with this statement 100%, although I would also add Happiness Is The Road to H's accomplishments with Marillion.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 11, 2012, 06:04:07 PM
Ha!  It was 1988!  So...there?  :P

But seriously, Fish made two great albums with 'em but H gave us Season's End, Brave, Marbles, Marillion.com, and Afraid of Sunlight.  Anoraknophobia might be up there too, haven't listened to it in a while.

I agree with this statement 100%, although I would also add Happiness Is The Road to H's accomplishments with Marillion.

-Marc.
Put it this way, if I heard Marillion was ditching H and going back to Fish, I wouldn't be happy about it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on June 11, 2012, 06:18:08 PM
Ha!  It was 1988!  So...there?  :P

But seriously, Fish made two great albums with 'em but H gave us Season's End, Brave, Marbles, Marillion.com, and Afraid of Sunlight.  Anoraknophobia might be up there too, haven't listened to it in a while.

Marillion had 4 great albums with Fish, giving them a perfect batting average, and there are a good number of Fish-era fans that would say that. On the other hand the H era has been inconsistent even by most fans of the era. So while H has been there for many years and many more albums, I think that's why there is still such a healthy rivalry between the eras.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 11, 2012, 06:45:29 PM
Ha!  It was 1988!  So...there?  :P

But seriously, Fish made two great albums with 'em but H gave us Season's End, Brave, Marbles, Marillion.com, and Afraid of Sunlight.  Anoraknophobia might be up there too, haven't listened to it in a while.

Marillion had 4 great albums with Fish, giving them a perfect batting average, and there are a good number of Fish-era fans that would say that. On the other hand the H era has been inconsistent even by most fans of the era. So while H has been there for many years and many more albums, I think that's why there is still such a healthy rivalry between the eras.

   QFT. I'll take quality over quantity any day.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 11, 2012, 07:46:44 PM
Ha!  It was 1988!  So...there?  :P

But seriously, Fish made two great albums with 'em but H gave us Season's End, Brave, Marbles, Marillion.com, and Afraid of Sunlight.  Anoraknophobia might be up there too, haven't listened to it in a while.

Marillion had 4 great albums with Fish, giving them a perfect batting average, and there are a good number of Fish-era fans that would say that. On the other hand the H era has been inconsistent even by most fans of the era. So while H has been there for many years and many more albums, I think that's why there is still such a healthy rivalry between the eras.
I would disagree. Fugazi was not great. Good, not great. I would also say no Fish album is as good as Marbles is.
Whatever. I'm going to see an awesome concert tomorrow night, and your not. :tick2:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on June 11, 2012, 08:17:31 PM
Script is nowhere near as good as many people say it is, and neither is Fugazi.  I'll give the Fish-fans that Fish's last two albums with Marillion are pretty much perfect, but those first two weren't great. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 11, 2012, 08:35:21 PM
I respect Fish, but they sounded like a genesis. With H, he has a tone that fits their style, even though he can't sing as high doesn't matter. Sometimes I feel people think singing high automatically means good.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on June 11, 2012, 09:15:11 PM
I would disagree. Fugazi was not great. Good, not great. I would also say no Fish album is as good as Marbles is.
Whatever. I'm going to see an awesome concert tomorrow night, and your not. :tick2:

Script is nowhere near as good as many people say it is, and neither is Fugazi.  I'll give the Fish-fans that Fish's last two albums with Marillion are pretty much perfect, but those first two weren't great. 

I respect Fish, but they sounded like a genesis. With H, he has a tone that fits their style, even though he can't sing as high doesn't matter. Sometimes I feel people think singing high automatically means good.

I agree with all of this.  I also feel like the band's songwriting has matured so much over the years.

But I think the real reason there's so much debate between Fish and H eras is because the two styles are just so different.  I think the continuity of the name is the only thing that would indicate to anybody that these two eras are from the same band.  I recall reading/hearing somewhere that when H first joined the band, he really campaigned to have the band name changed because he felt the band was changing so much and that keeping the name would only invite comparison and debate.  Obviously, they didn't change the name of the band, but sometimes I think maybe they should have listened to him.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on June 11, 2012, 09:26:38 PM
I pretty much think of them as 2 bands since they're so different. Both bands are great but I prefer the Hogarth's.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on June 12, 2012, 11:46:56 PM
They will not be playing Sugar Mice (I seriously doubt any Fish songs get played.) I'll send you a vinyl copy of Exit...Stage Left if Sugar Mice does get played on this tour.

I think you might regret those words...


Just got back from the show.  The band got an amazing reception from the audience.  They were definitely visibly moved by the crowd reaction. They got like a two minute ovation after just finishing the first song. H seemed like he was sick or had a sore throat or something, and the sound could have been better (I think they actually had H too LOUD in the mix), but overall it was still a pretty spectacular show.

SETLIST SPOILER

Asylum Satellite #1
Beautiful
You're Gone
Easter
King
Fantastic Place
A Voice From The Past
Ocean Cloud
Power (new song)
This Town / The Rake's Progress / 100 Nights
Happiness is the Road
-----------------------------
Encore:

Invisible Man
-----------------------------
Second Encore:

Sugar Mice
Man of a Thousand Faces


Can't wait 'til tomorrow night!

Btw - totally unrelated, but on the train ride home, I sat behind four total strangers who spent the entire train ride trashing their boss.  The conversation all stemmed from a Facebook status the boss posted, which they read out loud.  Unfortunately for them, it turns out their boss just happens to be my cousin, and I had just seen that status myself like an hour earlier, so I get to overhear a 40-minute bitch session about my cousin.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 13, 2012, 07:51:11 AM
Great show last night! Hearing Ocean Cloud made my night! :metal

There was this one guy who was standing next to me that was screaming like an asshole all night. He started shouting Marillion sucks over and over at the end of the show. If by some chance the guy is there again tonight (can't imagine why he would be)and is next to me, he just might get an elbow to the jaw. What a dick.

Anyhow, epic show. Can't wait to see what they play tonight.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 13, 2012, 08:07:00 AM
Why do people have to do that?  When I saw DT in Sept. and they were doing the acoustic part, some drunk fuck next to me kept yelling shit too.

Glad the show kicked ass, my brother is seeing them, I'm seeing DT the same weekend.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on June 13, 2012, 11:09:46 AM
NYC got a good setlist, but two of my friends saw them in DC the night before and I think they got an even better one.

Splintering Heart
Cover My Eyes
Slainte Mhath
Fantastic Place
Somewhere Else
Power
Afraid of Sunlight
Man of a Thousand Faces
This Strange Engine
Neverland

Encore 1
The Invisible Man

Encore 2
Easter
Three Minute Boy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on June 13, 2012, 11:36:29 AM
NYC got a good setlist, but two of my friends saw them in DC the night before and I think they got an even better one.

Splintering Heart
Cover My Eyes
Slainte Mhath
Fantastic Place
Somewhere Else
Power
Afraid of Sunlight
Man of a Thousand Faces
This Strange Engine
Neverland

Encore 1
The Invisible Man

Encore 2
Easter
Three Minute Boy


Except that DC only got one show.  NYC gets night #2 tonight, with a completely different setlist.  Most of the songs from this set that weren't played last night will probably be played tonight.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 13, 2012, 11:59:41 AM
NYC got a good setlist, but two of my friends saw them in DC the night before and I think they got an even better one.

Splintering Heart
Cover My Eyes
Slainte Mhath
Fantastic Place
Somewhere Else
Power
Afraid of Sunlight
Man of a Thousand Faces
This Strange Engine
Neverland

Encore 1
The Invisible Man

Encore 2
Easter
Three Minute Boy
I am going to a second show tonight, so DC can suck it! NYC HAS DOUBLE THE SET LIST!!! :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 13, 2012, 01:31:13 PM
They will not be playing Sugar Mice (I seriously doubt any Fish songs get played.) I'll send you a vinyl copy of Exit...Stage Left if Sugar Mice does get played on this tour.

I think you might regret those words...


Obviously my finger hasn't been on the Marillion pulse as much as it used to be.

Ninja will be getting a PM. 


That DC set would be sweet. So glad I didn't go to New York.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on June 13, 2012, 04:34:18 PM
I went to the show yesterday but unfortunately I wasn't able to go again tonight but last night's show was amazing! I like the setlist a lot more than DC's show. I was hoping that they'd play Ocean Cloud but I didn't think they really would. That song was so amazing live! I still can't believe they played it. The 3 songs I wanted to hear were played - Ocean Cloud, Man of a Thousand Faces, and Easter. I hope they come back to America for their next tour.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lark the Starless on June 13, 2012, 06:18:07 PM
I personally think the NYC setlist is far superior to the D.C. one.

Ocean Cloud, the couple of songs from HITR, a song from "Somewhere Else", the trio from "Holidays in Eden" (This Town/The Rakes Progress/100 Nights) is overall a well-rounded setlist that I would LOVE to see in LA.

Can't wait for the 2 nighter!

I'll also be meeting the band!  :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on June 13, 2012, 07:18:51 PM
Except DC got Neverland which one of the best songs ever written so...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on June 13, 2012, 07:40:06 PM
Except NYC will probably get Neverland tonight.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on June 13, 2012, 09:03:01 PM
Neverland and This Strange Engine.  Plus another new song.  And some other gems.  Full setlist coming shortly.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on June 13, 2012, 09:17:46 PM
Night 2 setlist:


Splintering Heart
Cover My Eyes
Slainte Mhath
Out of this World
Estonia
Somewhere Else
Afraid of Sunlight
Great Escape
Cannibal Surf Babe
Lucky Man (new)
Between You And Me
Neverland
-----------------
This Strange Engine
-----------------
Kayleigh
Three Minute Boy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on June 13, 2012, 09:35:37 PM
Slainthe and Kayleigh? Night 2 automatically wins.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: skydivingninja on June 13, 2012, 09:43:04 PM
So Lucky Man wasn't an ELP cover?  :lol

Looks like they got a great setlist as well, but I'd be happy to trade Kayleigh for The Invisible Man.  Cool to see Between You and Me and Great Escape though!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on June 13, 2012, 09:44:23 PM
Wow these setlists are AMAZING. They're pulling out all the stops for their first US tour in FOREVER.... now I regret not going to the DC show... :sadpanda:

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 13, 2012, 09:49:25 PM
That's a brilliant set.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lark the Starless on June 13, 2012, 11:39:52 PM
Night 2 is pretty sweet.

Overall, I still think Night 1's setlist was more to my liking but it's great that they did 2 Fish songs tonight.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on June 14, 2012, 06:54:03 AM
that was a pretty satisfying 2 nights of music. i'm glad they did a two set layout to get it all in, since we don't know when they will be back again hahh.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 14, 2012, 08:40:16 AM
I don't really think they will ever be back, so I'm glad I was able to be there both nights. Unbelievable shows.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 14, 2012, 08:47:07 AM
and if I could have picked any song I had to hear it was, This Strange Engine. Holy crap, that was amazing!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 15, 2012, 06:40:42 AM
Back to work today after my Marillion vacation. :sad:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 15, 2012, 06:49:19 AM
Did they have an opening band?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 15, 2012, 08:36:58 AM
Did they have an opening band?
Yes. Sun Domingo. Not bad.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 17, 2012, 09:09:40 PM
AWESOME show Friday night! I think Philly got an extra new song. Even better than the DC set if we did get the extra new song.
Would have been nice to have Splintering Heart open the show like DC, but that was barely a minor complaint. I feel amazingly lucky to have gotten my favorite set on the tour so far. New songs were fantastic!


Didnt' bother with extra extortion fees to get in early and still managed to be four deep on Rothery's side (who was ON FIRE) , but a bunch of people inexplicably left as the show went on so we were only two deep for the second-half of the show. (Since when was a barrier put up in front of the stage at the TLA?)


If this is the last time I ever see Marillion live, I'd be OK with that.







Asylum Satellite #1
Cover My Eyes
Slainte Mhath
Fantastic Place
Somewhere Else
Power
Afraid of Sunlight
Lucky Man
Man of a Thousand Faces
This Strange Engine
Neverland

Encore 1
The Invisible Man

Encore 2
Easter
Three Minute Boy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lark the Starless on June 29, 2012, 05:55:05 PM
The shows in LA were absolutely spectacular! Easily 2 of the best concerts I've been to.

I REALLY hope I see them again in LA  :-[
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 29, 2012, 11:18:01 PM
My brother is at the shiw in SF right now, if it wasn't for DT on Sunday, I'd be there too.


Edit: the only two updates I got from my bro is they opened with Splintering Heart and Sugarmice was played, if I get more, I'll share it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on July 17, 2012, 02:32:03 PM
New track up on YT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aZxKeANsIw&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 17, 2012, 02:36:36 PM
New track up on YT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aZxKeANsIw&feature=youtu.be

Its got a very fresh sound to it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 21, 2012, 02:49:30 PM
Wow, that sounds so flat.


It was MUCH better live.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: MetropolisWatches on July 21, 2012, 04:44:52 PM
I've been meaning to listen to these guys. Should I start with Misplaced Childhood?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 21, 2012, 04:50:23 PM
I've been meaning to listen to these guys. Should I start with Misplaced Childhood?

That's the one I started with and they have since become one of my favorite bands in the world.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on August 02, 2012, 12:46:46 PM
New track up on YT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aZxKeANsIw&feature=youtu.be

Just heard this, absolutly love it. :heart
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Zydar on August 02, 2012, 12:56:18 PM
I recently decided to give the Hogarth era another shot. Picked up Seasons End & Holidays In Eden, sounds very different to the Fish stuff.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 02, 2012, 05:49:49 PM
I recently decided to give the Hogarth era another shot. Picked up Seasons End & Holidays In Eden, sounds very different to the Fish stuff.

Haven't heard Fish era, but Fish era sounds like it'd be old school prog like genesis and yes. If it is, then I'm kinda tired of it at the moment, If not then cool. But they got more and more simpler but the songwriting is top notch, I even enjoy Somewhere Else.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 02, 2012, 07:13:51 PM
I recently decided to give the Hogarth era another shot. Picked up Seasons End & Holidays In Eden, sounds very different to the Fish stuff.

The album that allowed me to start enjoying the H era was Afraid of Sunlight.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 20, 2012, 08:30:02 PM
I've been meaning to listen to these guys. Should I start with Misplaced Childhood?

That's the one I started with and they have since become one of my favorite bands in the world.

That's my favorite album of all time...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on September 06, 2012, 01:08:06 PM
I just received an email saying my album has been shipped  :metal

i heard power, gaza and the other one they played at the nyc concert so far, and they are all amazing 'ocean cloud' type back hair raising songs, love it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on September 07, 2012, 04:08:04 PM
A couple of weeks ago I went to see Rusted Root, and between bands (after the opener but before Rusted Root came on) the house music was all from Misplaced Childhood and Clutching at Straws.  I think I got more excited about that than I did about the actual concert.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 08, 2012, 01:09:19 PM
I'm excited hearing about this again.

What are the odds?

Although I'm always one to search for why things happen, this might be a situation to just bask in the moment and accept it as one of the cooler things that can happen in life.
Title: Re: Marillion: Sounds That Can't Be Made
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 10, 2012, 05:58:13 AM
Got my pre-ordered copy of the new Marillion album, and honestly, it's up there with Marbles.

Track by track:

Gaza - Opens on the 18 minute epic, with lyrics taken from interviews with the people of Gaza and others, and a nice middle-eastern sound to the main riff.

Sounds that Can't be Made - something else a bit different, opens a little flat, but then really builds.

Pour My Love - One of Marillion's strongest ballards in years.

Power - A fairly standard rocker, bit of a jazz/funk groove to the main riff.

Montreal - Another long track, softer, and one that's definately a grower.

Invisible Ink - another ballard.

Lucky Man - The big rock anthem, sure to be a live favourite - can't stop singing this chorus!

The Sky Above the Rain - The big closer, has to be heard to be believed.

The album has the shine and sparkle, bright treble and deep bass that made Marbles so listenable, the somewhat flat production on Somewhere Else and HITR has been well and truly excised. It really does fall out of your speakers and into your ears like warm honey.

Best album of the year so far my a mile, and probably the best album of the 21st Century so far...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on September 10, 2012, 03:11:43 PM
Just listened to the new album (thanks to the email from Racket Records with a download link!).

Wow... I was not expecting all of that! 3 sizable epics, ranging from 10-18 minutes in length, with 5 more songs in the 5-8 minute range. A full 74 minutes of Marillion bliss!

First impressions: It's very deep, there's a lot going on, but that's what you get with 5 great performers. The playing is top notch, and they don't hold back (like they did on Somewhere Else and some of HITR). If I had to compare this album to anything, it would be most of Marbles, marillion.com and Anoraknophobia, but that's just upon my first listen.

I'm going to go through it again shortly, listen intently with headphones, and maybe do a little write-up. Marillion should be proud of this album, it's VERY good, and quite possibly a Top 10 album of 2012 for me (and with so MANY great albums out this year, it's a tough group to be a part of).

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on September 10, 2012, 05:18:38 PM
Looks like the link has been temporarily disabled due to too much traffic :(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cedar redaC on September 11, 2012, 08:00:01 PM
I just listened to Misplaced Childhood for the first time. I'm very impressed. I can see where people get the Genesis similarities from, but this album is an amazing addition to my music collection.

Story Time: I was at a record store with my friend, and I really had no intention of buying anything. Then I saw a Marillion sign in the CD section and thought: "I wonder if they have Misplaced Childhood, it's gotta be good if it's on so many of Dream Theater Forum's Top 50 Albums Lists." What do you know, there was an import version. So I bought it. The guy behind the counter said that he had played it a lot and enjoyed it. This guy knows music, so I figured it had to be good. I went home, had dinner, and played the album. Yeah, it was pretty awesome! Definitely a very cool album.

P.S. I have had little to no experience with Marillion until today.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 12, 2012, 01:02:50 AM
Well, if you like MC, you'll pretty much love Clutching at straws and Script for a Jester's tear.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 12, 2012, 03:01:53 AM
Performance from Monday in Manchester of Sky Above the Rain....
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdlZz6Q_Nt0)


Just ordered the album, so it's nice to get a sneak at it, simply amazing.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on September 12, 2012, 05:49:28 AM
Misplaced Childhood is my personal favorite Marillion album, and pretty much the album that got me into progressive music.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 12, 2012, 08:14:52 AM
Misplaced Childhood is my personal favorite Marillion album, and pretty much the album that got me into progressive music.

Same here, aside from Yes of course, I was listening to them pretty much out of the womb.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 12, 2012, 08:44:21 AM
Performance from Monday in Manchester of Sky Above the Rain....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdlZz6Q_Nt0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdlZz6Q_Nt0)


Just ordered the album, so it's nice to get a sneak at it, simply amazing.

Bummer, video removed. Too bad too, they had lasers and explosions and everything.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: yeshaberto on September 12, 2012, 08:45:25 AM
A friend recommended these guys to me.
I picked up Brave and Clutching at Straws based on this thread.
Here we go...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on September 12, 2012, 08:53:23 AM
A friend recommended these guys to me.
I picked up Brave and Clutching at Straws based on this thread.
Here we go...

I would definitely go for Clutching.. first.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on September 12, 2012, 08:54:57 AM
Yeah, Brave is a very special album. I enjoy it sometimes but I have to be in the perfect mood for it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 12, 2012, 12:00:38 PM
A friend recommended these guys to me.
I picked up Brave and Clutching at Straws based on this thread.
Here we go...

I would definitely go for Clutching.. first.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on September 12, 2012, 12:27:19 PM
A friend recommended these guys to me.
I picked up Brave and Clutching at Straws based on this thread.
Here we go...

I would definitely go for Clutching.. first.
This. That album is the tits, with the last two tracks easily being the best songs that Marillion has ever written (from what I've heard, admittedly).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 12, 2012, 12:44:54 PM
Eh, Clutching at Straws is ok, I guess. ::)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on September 12, 2012, 01:24:32 PM
Eh, Clutching at Straws is ok, I guess. ::)
You're not fooling anyone, old man. :yarr
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Jaq on September 12, 2012, 08:30:01 PM
The description of this album has made me interested in checking the new one out. I was less than impressed with the last two Marillion albums-I was starting to worry that Marbles was going to be impossible to follow up-but this sounds more up my alley.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 12, 2012, 09:45:08 PM
Yeah, Brave is a very special album. I enjoy it sometimes but I have to be in the perfect mood for it.

It's special for me too.
It cures insomnia.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: adace on September 13, 2012, 01:59:57 AM
Definitely a solid album. 9/10 on the first listen.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Jaq on September 13, 2012, 06:51:16 AM
Oh yeah, I gave this a, shall we say, "preview" last night and as soon as it was done, I ordered it. Best album Marillion's done in ages; it's going to take replays for me to figure out just where it stands in terms of their overall catalog, but it rates very highly with me at the moment. Starting the album off with a near eighteen minute tune is pretty damn gutsy, and the album just keeps rollling from there. The last two albums from Marillion bored me to death, but this one is amazing.

(edit) And oh godammit, Hogarth. Stop writing lyrics that perfectly fit the death of a recent relationship for me! The Sky Above The Rain might as well be titled "Jaq, Sometime in 2010"  :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: yeshaberto on September 13, 2012, 09:56:12 AM
recognize "sugar mice" from one of DT live performances (can't think of which one, take the time?)
very cool
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on September 13, 2012, 10:05:28 AM
recognize "sugar mice" from one of DT live performances (can't think of which one, take the time?)
very cool

It was used as part of the "Surrounded '07" medley, which also included a bit of "Mother" by Pink Floyd, from their album The Wall.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: yeshaberto on September 13, 2012, 10:59:55 AM
Ah, yes.   That's it. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on September 13, 2012, 11:06:44 AM
recognize "sugar mice" from one of DT live performances (can't think of which one, take the time?)
very cool

It was used as part of the "Surrounded '07" medley, which also included a bit of "Mother" by Pink Floyd, from their album The Wall.

-Marc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqDdTIxSy4M&list=UUPv4yUXddRF7-xsj4dmoifQ&index=27&feature=plcp
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on September 13, 2012, 05:41:19 PM
STCBM is fantastic. I really love the title track, Pour My Love, Montreal, and The Sky Above The Rain. Gaza has grown on me since hearing the Youtube video. Its a much better album than Happiness Is The Road and Somwhere Else, even though I like both of those albums. I doubt it'll be my album of the year (looks like that's going to Anathema or Anglagard) but its definitely up there. There's a pretty strong Anoraknophobia vibe at times, which is great since I love that album. Can't wait for the making of DVD.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Jaq on September 13, 2012, 07:19:21 PM
...wait Anglagard has a new album out?  :o

WHY WASN'T I NOTIFIED?!  :P
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on September 13, 2012, 07:25:55 PM
...wait Anglagard has a new album out?  :o

WHY WASN'T I NOTIFIED?!  :P
Its called Vijans Oga and its fucking amazing. All instrumental and lots of great keyboards of course and more noticable flute/woodwinds. I'd get it soon since the band seems to be having a lot of problems distributing it and there's been a bunch of delays.
https://www.lasercd.com/Products/Anglagard---Viljans-Oga__ANG03CD.aspx
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Jaq on September 13, 2012, 07:27:07 PM
I'm on it.  ;D  Back to Marillion discussion!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on September 15, 2012, 03:22:56 AM
Isn't Sounds That Can't Be Made due to be released today? If it is, does anyone already have it, and what are their impressions?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 16, 2012, 06:24:57 PM
Got an email saying it has been shipped so it should be here about a month from now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 17, 2012, 12:48:28 AM
Well, I remember buying MC on vinyl back in the day, only having heard some songs on cassette (yes, folks!) in the barracks in my army base. I sat at home reading the lyrics in that grat gatefold sleeve cover, thinking 'what the fuck is this guy talking about?' That was the opening part with all the poetic language. After that, though, the music just took me all over the place. I kept thinking 'God, can this get any better? And it did, over and over again. At the end, I was floored. My musical life had just changed forever.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 17, 2012, 02:12:35 AM
Went to see them last night for the ninth time. Whoo-hoo!
Going to see them tonight for the tenth time. Whoo-hoo!

They're on smoking form this tour, Hogarth is giving it 110% (I think he was more than a little drunk last night), and they're playing a stonking setlist.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: zerogravityfat on September 17, 2012, 06:19:38 AM
end of montreal is so damn awesome, also it doesn't hurt that they mention hockey  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 20, 2012, 11:59:17 PM
Just got home from work, and my disk was waiting on the dining room table, a week earlier that expected. :victorydance:


Listening now, Gaza is incredible.



Edit:Wow, The Sky Above The Rain just left me fucking speechless. Gotta sleep now. I'll give the rest a proper listen tomorrow. Huge musical boner here though, just huge.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 21, 2012, 09:27:59 PM
Just got home from work, and my disk was waiting on the dining room table, a week earlier that expected. :victorydance:


Listening now, Gaza is incredible.



Edit:Wow, The Sky Above The Rain just left me fucking speechless. Gotta sleep now. I'll give the rest a proper listen tomorrow. Huge musical boner here though, just huge.

Hmm...

Perhaps I'll have it in less than a month then....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 26, 2012, 11:09:59 AM
OK, here is my review of the new album for Nem's site, be kind, a lot of my heart went into this one....
https://www.ladyobscure.com/albums/marillion-sounds-that-cant-be-made-3/ (https://www.ladyobscure.com/albums/marillion-sounds-that-cant-be-made-3/)


Lot's of spoilers in this one, just saying.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on September 26, 2012, 11:54:44 AM
Nice review! I never got into H-era Marillion but I might have to check this out.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 26, 2012, 12:12:10 PM
Thanks man. Just check out Gaza, that song will probably sell you on the rest of it. And Sky Above the Rain could be one of my most favorite songs ever.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on September 26, 2012, 12:27:48 PM
WHY ISN'T THIS ALBUM ON SPOTIFY YET GAWD I WANT IT SO BAD
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on September 26, 2012, 12:35:22 PM
WHY ISN'T THIS ALBUM ON SPOTIFY YET GAWD I WANT IT SO BAD

So glad I pre-ordered it and got the Racket MP3s they offered for pre-orderee's  :metal

LOVE this album, unfortunately, it's taken a second-seat to Neal Morse's new album this month, but I've given it a few fair spins and it's just great, top to bottom, and on par with some of H-Era Marillion's best works!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 26, 2012, 04:51:52 PM
This arrived Monday. I guess 13 days after I ordered it.

Still haven't listened to this or the Neal Morse yet, but I have seen the Marillion DVD and liked it. Great stuff!


The artwork on the package is stunning and it looks like the lyrics are top notch too.

I'm hoping to get some time to sit down with it soon and just take it all in...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on September 26, 2012, 05:00:02 PM
Just wanted to add - it's HARD to be a Marillion fan...hard in that it becomes expensive. They have SOOOO much material available in their shop at Racket Records, it's becoming a chore to get everything from live DVDs and CDs, to special-editions. From here on out, I might have to stick with studio albums and a select few live DVDs, although I have to finish the set from last year's Marillion Weekend, since they decided to release the 5 DVDs at 3 separate times.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 27, 2012, 05:48:30 AM
Yeah, wish they'd hurry up and release that Sunday night show.

Do check out the limited edition live CD of the recent London show - it's a scorcher.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on September 27, 2012, 11:32:59 AM
Still haven't gotten my CD yet :(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on September 27, 2012, 12:36:51 PM
Still haven't gotten my CD yet :(

Me either :( Where in the world are you Zep? I'm in Maryland.

Ironically, I received an shipment notification email from Burning Shed (about my pre-ordered Get All You Deserve set) a few days after I got the email from Racket Records about STCBM...and I got GAYD on Saturday last week, less than a week after getting my email from Burning Shed.

I guess I can't really blame Racket Records, but the transition from Royal Mail to USPS on this package is HORRENDOUS... I've never had any problems ordering/pre-ordering anything from the UK, let alone Europe in general. Tracking numbers would've been great.

At least the band gave us the MP3 downloads!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 27, 2012, 01:16:07 PM
Weird. I got the email that it shipped on 9/12, and recieved it on 9/20, and I'm way over in California.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on September 27, 2012, 01:20:22 PM
Weird. I got the email that it shipped on 9/12, and recieved it on 9/20, and I'm way over in California.

Maybe the West Coast discs got shipped the other way round the world?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on September 27, 2012, 01:20:45 PM
Long Island.  I just asked another friend of mine on Long Island who also pre-ordered, and he hasn't gotten it either.

I got that same 9/12 shipment confirmation e-mail.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on September 27, 2012, 01:25:00 PM
Long Island.  I just asked another friend of mine on Long Island who also pre-ordered, and he hasn't gotten it either.

I got that same 9/12 shipment confirmation e-mail.

Ditto on the email. I don't know if I can blame the mail, now, though... Burning Shed shipped my package out on or around the 17th, 5 days after I got the email from Racket, and I got that package on 22nd. I'm just really confused...and worried. I hope it didn't get lost in the mail, especially since I shelled out for the Special Edition.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on September 27, 2012, 05:04:32 PM
I got my shipping email (deluxe edition, ordered after the campaign ended) on September 13th and it arrived a week ago in Connecticut. I had sent them an email previously asking when it would ship, and they told me that it was on its way but they didn't send the shipping email out yet. They said that their first priority was getting them in the mail and they'd worry about emails later. Its odd that so many people haven't gotten theirs yet though it seems like a lot of people have problems with shipping from England.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 27, 2012, 07:01:12 PM
Hey guys, I saw on the Marillion forum a note about troubles with the shipping of a good portion of the discs, and it came from the band, so that might explain the delays some of you are experiencing.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 28, 2012, 12:54:43 AM
So you can't just get in the stores?   :huh:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 28, 2012, 01:03:59 AM
Release date for stores is Oct. 2 I think.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on September 28, 2012, 10:31:08 AM
I'm going to laugh (while feelings genuinely sad for you folks) if an H-era critic like myself ends up getting this before you guys. I had been hearing good things about this and figured I'd give it a shot and so I ordered from Amazon a week or so ago.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ZeppelinDT on September 28, 2012, 10:38:42 AM
Well... in fairness, they did already send out an mp3 version of the album to anybody who pre-ordered, so we can at least still hear it early.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on September 29, 2012, 06:44:52 AM
Its amazing! Can't get enough of it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 01, 2012, 03:07:12 AM
OK, here is my review of the new album for Nem's site, be kind, a lot of my heart went into this one....
https://www.ladyobscure.com/albums/marillion-sounds-that-cant-be-made-3/ (https://www.ladyobscure.com/albums/marillion-sounds-that-cant-be-made-3/)


Lot's of spoilers in this one, just saying.

Awesome review, Lonestar!  :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 01, 2012, 08:29:02 AM
Thanks man.



Fish just posted on FB that they are rehearsing Grendel....

Quote
Now I refocus on the Leamington sets and the intimidating prospect of getting some new material in shape as well as the musical mountain of Grendel! :-)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 01, 2012, 09:36:23 AM
Wha?  :omg:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 01, 2012, 03:22:30 PM
That was my exact response, had to read it a few times to make sure I wasn't fucking tripping. Gonna do a shitload of diggin to see what the details are, it would be amazing if he toured it though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Jaq on October 01, 2012, 04:18:14 PM
What the hell? Grendel, seriously? I don't think Marillion played it live much after 1983...color me interested!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on October 01, 2012, 04:54:30 PM
The way Fish's voice sounds lately...I'm not sure I care.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on October 03, 2012, 09:20:00 PM
FINALLY got my copy here in Maryland!!! LOVE the packaging, but unfortunately, it's slightly TOO tall to fit in my CD tower, so it's laying flat along the top of some other Marillion CD jewel cases, where there's room. Thankfully it's not too thick of a package either...er...uhm.

Anyways, beautiful packaging, love the slip-case, and the pictures (as I flipped through the booklet) are great! Gonna have to watch the DVD sometime tomorrow or soon!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 04, 2012, 09:54:06 PM
Finally listened to this on Monday night. (got it on the 25th after I ordered it three weeks ago and it shiiped on Sept. 12th)

I saw the DVD last week as an appetizer. Great stuff. Packaging is top notch.

It's definately a grower. There's some awesome stuff on hear that needs proper attention that I'm unable to give at the moment.


The mix on Gaza sucks...which is too bad because it could be the best song on the album. The mix evens out a little from there. Not enough Rothery for me, but when he's there, you know it.

I need to hear this live. If not in person than a DVD will suffice. Gaza is just so much more than what's on that record. 



Nick, where have you been hearing "good things" about this?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: a51502112 on June 20, 2013, 08:08:12 AM
Just watched the film, Forgetting Sarah Marshall for the first time.
Anyone notice when Jason Segel sings like a vampire, he sounds just like Fish?  :justjen
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 20, 2013, 08:46:36 AM
Never seen the film, but I'll give you props for the most out of nowhere thread revival ever. :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lolzeez on June 21, 2013, 04:54:36 PM
Listened to Brave FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE this week. It was AWESOME. I really wanna get into the post Fish era. Where should I go next?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on June 21, 2013, 05:17:32 PM
Listened to Brave FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE this week. It was AWESOME. I really wanna get into the post Fish era. Where should I go next?

Afraid Of Sunlight
This Strange Engine
Anoraknophobia
Marbles

These four, definitely. Maybe in that order, since it is chronological. If you like them a lot, then go back and fill in the gaps between Brave and their last album (which I would also highly recommend).

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on June 21, 2013, 05:35:37 PM
Listened to Brave FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE this week. It was AWESOME. I really wanna get into the post Fish era. Where should I go next?
Get Marbles first but make sure you get the 2 disc version!!! It has Ocean Cloud, and is worth the price of the whole album. Also check out Seasons End and Afraid of Sunlight.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mister Gold on June 21, 2013, 07:51:50 PM
Listening to Gaza right now. :hefdaddy Holy crap, I need to pick up this album. :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 21, 2013, 08:11:58 PM
Listened to Brave FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE this week. It was AWESOME. I really wanna get into the post Fish era. Where should I go next?

Personally I really like Afraid of Sunlight. That or Marbles, (two-disc version).

Ocean Cloud is pretty damn incredible.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on June 21, 2013, 08:44:03 PM
Listening to Gaza right now. :hefdaddy Holy crap, I need to pick up this album. :metal
It's an excellent album for sure. One of my top 5 albums of 2012. Wait until you here The Sky Above The Rain and the title track.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mister Gold on June 21, 2013, 09:37:17 PM
Listening to Gaza right now. :hefdaddy Holy crap, I need to pick up this album. :metal
It's an excellent album for sure. One of my top 5 albums of 2012. Wait until you here The Sky Above The Rain and the title track.

The Sky Above The Rain was actually the first song I heard off this album! I just somehow forgot to check out the rest of the album afterwards and only remembered today. :omg:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on June 21, 2013, 09:45:04 PM
Listening to Gaza right now. :hefdaddy Holy crap, I need to pick up this album. :metal
It's an excellent album for sure. One of my top 5 albums of 2012. Wait until you here The Sky Above The Rain and the title track.

The Sky Above The Rain was actually the first song I heard off this album! I just somehow forgot to check out the rest of the album afterwards and only remembered today. :omg:
Oh cool! Well, enjoy the rest of the album!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 02, 2013, 03:40:10 PM
Listened to this again over the weekend. It's lost nothing. Need to hear the rest of it live one day.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lolzeez on July 03, 2013, 06:12:26 PM
Listened to Brave FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE this week. It was AWESOME. I really wanna get into the post Fish era. Where should I go next?
Get Marbles first but make sure you get the 2 disc version!!! It has Ocean Cloud, and is worth the price of the whole album. Also check out Seasons End and Afraid of Sunlight.
Go Season's End couple weeks ago. I loved it. I guess Marbles is next!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: mellotron_scratch on July 03, 2013, 07:37:00 PM
I love STCBM, one of my faves from 2012. Awesome album
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HolidaysAnoraks on July 03, 2013, 09:48:25 PM
I love STCBM, one of my faves from 2012. Awesome album

Agreed. It's probably my 3rd favorite Marillion album overall after Seasons End and Clutching At Straws.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on July 03, 2013, 10:02:38 PM
I really like the title track, Pour Your Love and Power. They remind me of Careless Whisper for some reason.  :lol But I mean that in the best way possible. Couldn't get into the rest of the album though. But hey, liking three songs on a Marillion album is pretty much a record-breaker for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 03, 2013, 10:07:18 PM
I love STCBM, one of my faves from 2012. Awesome album

Agreed. It's probably my 3rd favorite Marillion album overall after Seasons End and Clutching At Straws.
I'd also say it's my third favorite, but after Seasons End and Marbles.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 03, 2013, 11:18:16 PM
So here's another one of my 'pick your favorite from these arbitrary groupings' post...

Group 1: Fish-Era
Script For A Jester's Tear, Fugazi, Misplaced Childhood, Clutching At Straws

Group 2: H-Era Part 1 (the rest of the EMI Years)
Seasons End, Holidays In Eden, Brave, Afraid Of Sunlight

Group 3: H-Era Part 2
This Strange Engine, Radiation, marillion.com, Anoraknophobia

Group 4: H-Era Part 3
Marbles, Somewhere Else, Happiness Is The Road, Sounds That Can't Be Made

The first two groups make sense, considering their first 8 albums were all on the EMI label, and the first half of which were the Fish-Era, so they all group nicely. The second two groups a little less so, and I excluded Less Is More because aside from one song, it was all mostly re-workings of older material.

Many would group TSE/R/.com together, but I threw in Anoraknophobia just to make all the groups an even number of 4 albums each.

Anyways, you guys GO! Pick your fave album from each group!

Misplaced Childhood
Seasons End
This Strange Engine
Marbles

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on July 03, 2013, 11:43:18 PM
Clutching at Straws
Brave
Anoraknophobia
Marbles
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: fibreoptix on July 04, 2013, 05:34:07 AM
Straws, Brave, Anoraknophobia, Happiness.

Although really you could swap any of he four out for Fugazi, Sunlight, Radiation or Sounds and I'd still be happy.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on July 04, 2013, 05:37:46 AM
Clutching at Straws
Season's End
This Strange Engine
Marbles (2CD version, otherwise Sounds That Can't Be Made)

That last one was killing me, as was the second one, between Season's End and Brave. I'm not too big on the third one, with TSE being my favourite there, so that was easy, and CAS is my favourite Marillion album ever, so, again, easy.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Jaq on July 04, 2013, 10:04:29 AM
Misplaced Childhood
Afraid of Sunlight
Anoraknophobia
Sounds That Can't Be Made.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 04, 2013, 03:15:10 PM
Misplaced Childhood
Seasons End
marillion.com (this one is practically tied with Anoraknophobia)
Marbles (2 CD)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 04, 2013, 04:42:20 PM
Where can I get this magical 2CD edition of Marbles?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 04, 2013, 04:43:11 PM
Where can I get this magical 2CD edition of Marbles?
marillion.com

It's available as a CD or download.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 04, 2013, 04:43:44 PM
Where can I get this magical 2CD edition of Marbles?
marillion.com

I see CMDistro has it too..:

https://www.cmdistro.com/Item/Marillion_-_Marbles_-2CD-/43903 hrmm
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 04, 2013, 04:54:43 PM
Where can I get this magical 2CD edition of Marbles?
marillion.com

I see CMDistro has it too..:

https://www.cmdistro.com/Item/Marillion_-_Marbles_-2CD-/43903 hrmm
I'd get it from their website, just to make sure they don't accidentally send you the regular edition instead.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 04, 2013, 04:56:45 PM

I'd get it from their website, just to make sure they don't accidentally send you the regular edition instead.

It's about 6$ more not including shipping direct...

damn

https://www.amazon.com/Marbles-Marillion/dp/B004QK6TZA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372978807&sr=8-1&keywords=marillion+marbles

Amazon also lists this as 2 disc... hrmm
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on July 04, 2013, 05:29:51 PM
The recent Madfish rerelease was the 2-disc edition, if that's what you're looking for.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on July 04, 2013, 05:39:12 PM
I waited almost 9 years to pick up Marbles....at first I couldn't find it, then I just refused to buy half a product.

Just a few months ago, I saw the Madfish version at a local CD shop.   It was worth every minute, and every penny.   Ocean Cloud is the best Marillion song I've ever heard.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 04, 2013, 05:44:18 PM
The recent Madfish rerelease was the 2-disc edition, if that's what you're looking for.

Cool. Got it and picked up STCBM too.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 04, 2013, 05:46:08 PM
I waited almost 9 years to pick up Marbles....at first I couldn't find it, then I just refused to buy half a product.

Just a few months ago, I saw the Madfish version at a local CD shop.   It was worth every minute, and every penny.   Ocean Cloud is the best Marillion song I've ever heard.
Ocean Cloud is my favorite Marillion song as well. Seeing it live last year was such an incredible experience. I was in shock when they started playing it as I never thought I'd ever get to hear it live.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on July 04, 2013, 06:36:20 PM
Yeah, it's my favorite Marillion song as well.  ;D

I really do like the Madfish rereleases. Along with the Pendragon ones, they look pretty neat on the shelf.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 04, 2013, 06:41:21 PM
It makes me sad how there's no love for Happiness Is The Road. I love that album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 04, 2013, 06:47:20 PM
It makes me sad how there's no love for Happiness Is The Road. I love that album.
I love it too. This Train Is My Life, Real Tears For Sale, Asylum Satellite #1, and Happiness Is The Road are some of my favorites.

I also think Somewhere Else is very underrated. Maybe it's because it was my first Marillion album so there's a sentimental aspect, but I really enjoy it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 04, 2013, 06:55:36 PM
Along with the Pendragon ones, they look pretty neat on the shelf.

What's this?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on July 04, 2013, 07:50:51 PM
Along with the Pendragon ones, they look pretty neat on the shelf.

What's this?

The Madfish label rereleased a few of the old Pendragon albums as well, though they aren't in a little book-like package like the Marillion ones are. Just jewelcase with slip covers over them. Still made them easier to find though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 04, 2013, 08:19:41 PM
It makes me sad how there's no love for Happiness Is The Road. I love that album.
I love it too. This Train Is My Life, Real Tears For Sale, Asylum Satellite #1, and Happiness Is The Road are some of my favorites.

\o

I'd add Essence and Trap The Spark to that.

I also think Somewhere Else is very underrated. Maybe it's because it was my first Marillion album so there's a sentimental aspect, but I really enjoy it.

I have yet to hear Somewhere Else. I should pick it up.


goodbye extra cash...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 04, 2013, 08:28:07 PM
*\o

Essence is great as well! I don't really remember what Trap The Spark sounds like though. Got to listen to the albums again soon!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: chaotic_ripper on July 04, 2013, 10:04:01 PM
Somewhere Else is underrated.  It's hard to follow-up an album like Marbles. But Somewhere Else is very good. Not life-changing by any means...but very good
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 05, 2013, 06:51:05 PM
Picked up Clutching at Straws and Seasons End today too. 6.99 each at bestbuy.com.. I figured why not.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 05, 2013, 07:02:09 PM
Picked up Clutching at Straws and Seasons End today too. 6.99 each at bestbuy.com.. I figured why not.

One of my favorite albums ever.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 05, 2013, 07:08:54 PM
Picked up Clutching at Straws and Seasons End today too. 6.99 each at bestbuy.com.. I figured why not.

One of my favorite albums ever.

which one?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 05, 2013, 07:28:56 PM
Oops, my eyes saw Clutching at straws and everything else was blocked out, so that was what I was referring too, but that's not to say that Seasons End doesn't have its merits. Despite being a huge Fish mark, Easter is probably my favorite Marillion song. And the title track from Seasons End is hot too.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lolzeez on July 06, 2013, 07:57:00 AM
Picked up Clutching at Straws and Seasons End today too. 6.99 each at bestbuy.com.. I figured why not.
Both are awesome albums but I prefer Seasons End.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 06, 2013, 08:43:17 AM
Picked up Clutching at Straws and Seasons End today too. 6.99 each at bestbuy.com.. I figured why not.
Both are awesome albums but I prefer Seasons End.

:)

So I've got: Seasons End, Marbles (2CD), Clutching at Straws, STCBM, Misplaced Childhood  - all en route. Should have them all by the end of next week.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on July 06, 2013, 09:00:06 AM
 :tup Misplaced Childhood is the album that got me into prog. And Straws is pretty damn sweet as well!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 06, 2013, 09:07:50 AM
:tup Misplaced Childhood is the album that got me into prog. And Straws is pretty damn sweet as well!

Yeah I scored M.P on Vinyl a few weeks back for 4 bucks locally at a used record shop.  Decided to pick up the CD too.. listening to a lot of Marillion on Pandora the last couple days.. why didn't I pick up on them sooner?

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 06, 2013, 02:17:19 PM
Found Afraid of Sunlight at a used CD shop for 3.99. Can't beat that.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 06, 2013, 02:48:36 PM
Speaking of used Marillion CDs, I was at my local FYE recently and saw someone had sold their original CD issues of the band's first four albums (and maybe Seasons End, Holidays In Eden and Brave as well, I don't recall). It was weird and a bit saddening that I saw them there since it probably means that someone either REALLY needed the money or just wasn't a fan of the music anymore. Or perhaps it was some guy's mother who decided to sell off his collection of prog albums, because I also saw some other albums that were prog and prog-related.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 06, 2013, 06:02:28 PM

So I've got: Seasons End, Marbles (2CD), Clutching at Straws, STCBM, Misplaced Childhood  - all en route. Should have them all by the end of next week.

You are in for a treat my friend.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 06, 2013, 10:10:31 PM
Just won an ebay auction for:

SEASON'S END/HOLIDAYS IN EDEN/BRAVE/STRANGE ENGINE

So the Season's End I have ordered at BBY.com will be canceled.  Woo more discs!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 07, 2013, 06:40:00 PM
Damn. there's a 4 pack 'box' on Amazon I could have got for less than buying some of these individually.. gah

It was Misplaced Childhood, Clutching at Straws, Seasons End and Holidays in Eden for like 17.50 on amazon.  I think I ended up paying close to $23 (and two of them used)..

I hate it when I find better deals later.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 07, 2013, 07:16:44 PM
Damn. there's a 4 pack 'box' on Amazon I could have got for less than buying some of these individually.. gah

It was Misplaced Childhood, Clutching at Straws, Seasons End and Holidays in Eden for like 17.50 on amazon.  I think I ended up paying close to $23 (and two of them used)..

I hate it when I find better deals later.


Are those (or the ones you DID order) the 2-Disc Special Edition EMI Remasters that were released, with the letters MARILLION on the spines across the first 8 albums?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 07, 2013, 07:24:15 PM
Damn. there's a 4 pack 'box' on Amazon I could have got for less than buying some of these individually.. gah

It was Misplaced Childhood, Clutching at Straws, Seasons End and Holidays in Eden for like 17.50 on amazon.  I think I ended up paying close to $23 (and two of them used)..

I hate it when I find better deals later.


Are those (or the ones you DID order) the 2-Disc Special Edition EMI Remasters that were released, with the letters MARILLION on the spines across the first 8 albums?

-Marc.

Not sure, they haven't arrived yet.  Is there a problem with those? I don't recall any of them other than Marbles being a Madfish/2CD release...


It seems Misplaced Childhood is 1 disc according to amazon, but the autorip gave me the 2 disc EMI Remaster.
Season's End and Clutching at straws are listed as 1 CD.  I'm sure the Holiday's in Eden is too (that one is off eBay)

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 07, 2013, 10:25:09 PM
Nothing's wrong with them, they're absolutely great! The 2nd discs are full of demos and other cool tracks, as well as the B-Sides from singles.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 08, 2013, 03:32:00 AM
Definitely go for the 2-disc versions, especially "Clutching at Straws", which has the demos for their next, aborted, album. The 2-disc of "Seasons End" is long out-of-print though, so good luck tracking that down!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 08, 2013, 07:22:22 AM
Definitely go for the 2-disc versions, especially "Clutching at Straws", which has the demos for their next, aborted, album. The 2-disc of "Seasons End" is long out-of-print though, so good luck tracking that down!

i'm not having any luck tracking down anything 2 disc except marbles. most of what i've ordered has been single disc...

*edit: rather I should say without them being 20+ dollars.  For instance Clutching At Straws (1 disc) was 6.99.. 2 disc is 21 on amazon. HRMM But some resellers have it for 7 bucks new + 3.99 ship.



Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 10, 2013, 07:50:30 PM
So the 4 discs I got from eBay came. Discs are in immaculate shape, but the jewel cases and liners are yellowed horribly.  Upon opening the package a stench came forth. I think it's cigarette smoke (which could explain the yellowing).. my wife thinks it's cat pee/ammonia.

Not pleased :(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: sueño on July 10, 2013, 08:58:45 PM
I waited almost 9 years to pick up Marbles....at first I couldn't find it, then I just refused to buy half a product.

Just a few months ago, I saw the Madfish version at a local CD shop.   It was worth every minute, and every penny.   Ocean Cloud is the best Marillion song I've ever heard.
Ocean Cloud is my favorite Marillion song as well. Seeing it live last year was such an incredible experience. I was in shock when they started playing it as I never thought I'd ever get to hear it live.

I've just now heard Ocean Cloud.  It is amazingly beautiful and lyrics are profound.  Love it!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 10, 2013, 09:01:07 PM
I waited almost 9 years to pick up Marbles....at first I couldn't find it, then I just refused to buy half a product.

Just a few months ago, I saw the Madfish version at a local CD shop.   It was worth every minute, and every penny.   Ocean Cloud is the best Marillion song I've ever heard.
Ocean Cloud is my favorite Marillion song as well. Seeing it live last year was such an incredible experience. I was in shock when they started playing it as I never thought I'd ever get to hear it live.
I've just now heard Ocean Cloud.  It is amazingly beautiful and lyrics are profound.  Love it!
:tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 10, 2013, 11:04:11 PM
Definitely go for the 2-disc versions, especially "Clutching at Straws", which has the demos for their next, aborted, album. The 2-disc of "Seasons End" is long out-of-print though, so good luck tracking that down!

Those demos depress the crap out of me to this day.  I've been okay with the split since about the time This Strange Engine came out, but listening to those demos still gives me the raw feeling of being stabbed in the heart.

I guess that's why I don't listen to those demos much. Even listening to Kevin Gilbert doesn't affect me the way those demos do.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 11, 2013, 08:59:20 AM
Those demos depress the crap out of me to this day.  I've been okay with the split since about the time This Strange Engine came out, but listening to those demos still gives me the raw feeling of being stabbed in the heart.

I guess that's why I don't listen to those demos much. Even listening to Kevin Gilbert doesn't affect me the way those demos do.

Why is this?   I don't know anything about the demos. You just like the Fish era stuff that much?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 11, 2013, 11:06:11 AM
I think he means they showed a lot of promise.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 13, 2013, 02:08:23 PM
I think he means they showed a lot of promise.

Exactly. Think of it as the lyrics to A Vigil In A Wildreness of Mirrors married to the music of Seasons End (both of which I think are brilliant) To this day, I think it would have been the best album they'd have recorded to that point.

But things were so bad by that point that even if the band had managed to record it, they wouldn't have made it to tour rehearsals.


I don't have anything against Hogarth (except when he tries to sing Fish songs.)
His voice has really matured over the years and I like his voice much better now than when he started (Especially live.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 13, 2013, 02:12:37 PM
H is awesome. He's one of my favorite singers.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 13, 2013, 03:09:31 PM
H is awesome. He's one of my favorite singers.
I can see why so many people don't like him but I love his voice too.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 21, 2013, 04:45:10 PM
Does anyone know why the Seasons End 2 disc remaster got discontinued?  It makes me has a sad that I can't find it without getting bent over price wise. Especially the 24bit remaster.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 21, 2013, 09:13:37 PM
I actually recently found a copy of Season's End on vinyl. But afa the remaster, it may be common knowledge amongst the hardcores, but Lucy Jordache I'm sure would be willing to answer that question. Maybeit was due to lack of sales. I'm not sure how many of those remasters from the late 90's are still in print.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 21, 2013, 10:49:25 PM
I guess I was lucky enough to buy the 2 disc of Seasons End, although I forgot when I bought it, I think 4-5years ago.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Beowulf on July 25, 2013, 01:03:21 PM
Never could get into the post-Fish era.  But the live version of Misplaced Childhood on the double-live La Gazza Ladra is spectacular.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 25, 2013, 01:09:48 PM
I actually recently found a copy of Season's End of vinyl. But afa the remaster, it may be common knowledge amongst the hardcores, but Lucy Jordache I'm sure would be willing to answer that question. Maybeit was due to lack of sales. I'm not sure how many of those remasters from the late 90's are still in print.

Lucy said via twitter (when I asked) that it was just EMI's decision..that was it.

LAME
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 29, 2013, 03:06:50 PM
Got Marbles today. :D

Will post my thoughts later. Unless I don't have any. :P
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 29, 2013, 03:28:13 PM
anyone else see the email for the Afraid of Sunlight/Clutching Vinyl re-releases? I probably shouldn't have to think about it as I need copies of both (I have CaS, but my copy is in poor shape).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 29, 2013, 08:06:18 PM
Never could get into the post-Fish era.  But the live version of Misplaced Childhood on the double-live La Gazza Ladra is spectacular.

Really?  I prefer the version on Curtain Call.  More energy there.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mister Gold on August 07, 2013, 09:02:22 PM
Out of curiosity, what would be the best H-era Marillion album to start off with? Season's End or Marbles or perhaps another album?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on August 08, 2013, 01:55:28 AM
Brave, Marbles and STCBM are probably the best, so any of those would be a good starting point.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 08, 2013, 04:19:14 AM
Out of curiosity, what would be the best H-era Marillion album to start off with? Season's End or Marbles or perhaps another album?

I would suggest afraid of sunlight honestly, since its very accessible.

 When I first was trying to get into H-era, I immediately went out and got Brave since that was the album to get, but it just didn't click with me and ended up delaying my interest in H-era. So I would hold of on brave. Marbles is really good since it has Ocean Cloud which really is incredible.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on August 08, 2013, 04:53:11 AM
Season´s End is a very good starting point.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lolzeez on August 08, 2013, 05:00:29 AM
I started with Brave and it was quite awesome.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 08, 2013, 05:22:11 PM
Out of curiosity, what would be the best H-era Marillion album to start off with? Season's End or Marbles or perhaps another album?

After re-listening to Brave today, for the first time in a long while, forget what I said. Go get Brave.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 08, 2013, 05:24:45 PM
I have Happiness Is The Road Part One, Marbles, and Seasons End. While Happiness.. is my favorite, I think most would recommend Marbles.

I've heard good things about Brave, as well, though I can't comment on that one personally.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on August 08, 2013, 06:30:35 PM
Brave is brilliant but it took me a few listens before I fully appreciated it. I absolutely love it, but I wouldn't recommend it as a starting place. Seasons End is definitely a great first choice.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jcmoorehead on August 09, 2013, 06:52:02 AM
I had Marbles recommended to me as my first H-Era Marillion album, I have to agree it is fantastic especially Neverland. The thing I have found with the H-Era stuff I have listened to is that it doesn't click straight away, and they're definitely 'headphone albums', Brave especially because as brilliant as it is it took a few listens to really grasp how amazing it is.

That said I might not be the best person to recommend material as I only have Marbles, Sounds and Brave from the H-Era, really need to seek out more.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: T-ski on August 09, 2013, 09:19:28 AM
if you get "Marbles" make sure you don't make the mistake I did and get the copy WITHOUT "Ocean Cloud" on it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Jaq on August 09, 2013, 06:12:37 PM
Afraid of Sunlight would be my choice. Season's End is somewhere in between what the band were with Fish and what they became, Brave is just really dense-Afraid of Sunlight is far more accessible and is probably the most consistent of the "early" H albums. Then get the double CD version of Marbles to get into what the band's become since then.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on August 09, 2013, 06:29:25 PM
Afraid of Sunlight would be my choice.

This would be mine too. It's also where I started with them.  Tracks #3 (Beautiful) and Track #6 (Afraid of Sunlight) blow my mind when I listen.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 13, 2013, 02:37:16 PM
I popped in the 1983 Reading festival gig over the weekend, the one where they've announced they've signed to EMI.

It's been a while since I took it off the shelf and forgot how much of a celebration it was.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on September 04, 2013, 07:38:01 AM
I think I scored the 2 Disc Season's End OOP edition on eBay last night.  The track listing matches and the album art matches the 24-bit remaster.

11.50 shipped. I can handle that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 06, 2013, 07:16:16 PM
I think I scored the 2 Disc Season's End OOP edition on eBay last night.  The track listing matches and the album art matches the 24-bit remaster.

11.50 shipped. I can handle that.

Good deal.  I paid $23 each for all of them when they were first released.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 07, 2013, 05:45:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FYxzOIojerA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FYxzOIojerA)

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 11, 2013, 04:44:18 PM
I should put on the live DVD from the Season End Tour. It's been a while since I've seen it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 14, 2013, 01:37:06 AM
Though this is a Marillion thread, I am having a bitch of a time finding the download purchase for Fish's new album Feast of Consequences. It was supposed to be available today per an email I got from Fishheads Club, but I don't see it anywhere.



Edit: nevermind, it was up when I awoke :)




Another edit: And it's fucking amazing...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 15, 2013, 10:45:36 AM
https://fishheadsclub.com/2013/09/04/a-feast-of-consequences-delays-and-solutions/

I will put the deluxe version up for sale in the shop on the 14th again but with the disclaimer that it won’t be in stock until the 25th September. All the pre orders will be sent out first
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 15, 2013, 07:57:34 PM
https://fishheadsclub.com/2013/09/04/a-feast-of-consequences-delays-and-solutions/

I will put the deluxe version up for sale in the shop on the 14th again but with the disclaimer that it won’t be in stock until the 25th September. All the pre orders will be sent out first

Already pre-ordered.  I'm not even sure why I listened to this as it's something I almost never do but I was surfing around and fell over it. I suppose curiosity got the better of me.  All I can say is I hope the final product is improved.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nctW8nHDhes
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 15, 2013, 10:54:13 PM
The High Wood suite is easily the highlight of the album, though Perfume River is a stellar song also. Crucifix Corner is quickly moving up the ranks of my all time favorites from Fish, it's so haunting.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: fibreoptix on September 16, 2013, 06:16:22 AM
What? FoC finally got released? I totally forgot this was even a thing! I gotta find this immediately.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 16, 2013, 06:53:40 AM
On first listen, it's a fantastic return to form.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 16, 2013, 05:29:59 PM
Agreed. He really nails it, especially in the High Wood suite.


And for those interested, here's my review of Feast of Consequences...(spoilers, lots of them)

https://www.ladyobscure.com/albums/fish-feast-of-consequences/ (https://www.ladyobscure.com/albums/fish-feast-of-consequences/)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 17, 2013, 03:57:08 AM
Fantastic review, RJ!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 20, 2013, 04:52:50 PM
I'm hoping Feast is as good as everyone seems to say it is.

It's been a long six-year wait for some new music.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 02, 2013, 06:45:12 PM
I've got Brave on at the moment. so good.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on October 05, 2013, 10:23:14 AM
I'm hoping Feast is as good as everyone seems to say it is.

It's been a long six-year wait for some new music.
Its his best album to date, imo. and I have all his albums.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 06, 2013, 12:11:29 AM
I'm with Tick on this, Feast is a tremendous album.


Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 12, 2013, 12:01:28 PM
Okay, I cheated and stole a few semi-attentive listens in the car (Still haven't read the book or watched the DVD. I planned to read the book along with my first listen of the album) and I was wrong.
This is the main reason why I don't like listening to ANYTHING in advance unless I have the CD in my hands ready to go.


High Wood is good, but so is the rest of it.

 I'm not ready to call this his best album, but I'm willing to admit it's as good as the last one, which I haven't really been able to say about back to back Fish albums since A Vigil In A Wilderness of Mirrors and Internal Exile. I think Roger Waters meets 13th Star is a good thing. I didn't really expect this to be this good. I can't wait to dig into the book and the DVD and get this signed print framed.

I have a bad feeling that there won't be a tour for us in the US.  Maybe he goes on the cruise with Marillion. How crazy would that be?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jonny108 on October 13, 2013, 06:34:57 PM
A little bit drunk and haven't really read much of this thread, but just want to say Market Square Heroes is still my favourite Marillion song. This Strange Engine follows with a close second.  Dat outro  :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 13, 2013, 06:59:58 PM
I think its time I revisit Script for a jester's tear
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on October 13, 2013, 08:12:44 PM
I think its time I revisit Script for a jester's tear

I like the debut a lot, and I like throwing in the pre-debut singles, as well as "Grendel", into the mix as well. I made my own "if SFAJT was a 2 LP vinyl back in the day" track list...

Script For A Jester's Tear
Garden Party
Three Boats Down From The Candy
The Web
Charting The Single
He Knows You Know
Chelsea Monday
Market Square Heroes
Forgotten Sons
Grendel

Great songs for a debut and the whole era. I'd say they  have one of the strongest debuts of 80's prog bands, to be honest, and I am glad the band is still around to this day! Them and IQ, although I'm sure Marillion has been hitting higher highs than IQ...

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 18, 2013, 06:56:49 PM
I think its time I revisit Script for a jester's tear

I like the debut a lot, and I like throwing in the pre-debut singles, as well as "Grendel", into the mix as well. I made my own "if SFAJT was a 2 LP vinyl back in the day" track list...

Script For A Jester's Tear
Garden Party
Three Boats Down From The Candy
The Web
Charting The Single
He Knows You Know
Chelsea Monday
Market Square Heroes
Forgotten Sons
Grendel

Great songs for a debut and the whole era. I'd say they  have one of the strongest debuts of 80's prog bands, to be honest, and I am glad the band is still around to this day! Them and IQ, although I'm sure Marillion has been hitting higher highs than IQ...

-Marc.

I really don't listen to this album very much. Probably my least favorite of the Fish years.  However, the live gigs from this era are pretty amazing (despite Mosley not being in the band yet) It's unbelieveable how good these gigs are.  I really wish I'd known about them and seen them in person then.

 It's really a whole other level. These songs just come alive. Many bands just don't deliver like this one did. Hell, Grendel is even amazingly performed.




...and the new Fish album just getts better and better. I really didn't think he had it in him with all of his other commitments.
 
Keeping Vantsis on board really helped.  I still have to dig into the DVD and book. Haven't gotten to that yet.

Too much bloody good music around these days.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 22, 2013, 07:30:51 PM
Is the new Fish album a masterpiece or what? I never thought it would be as good if not better than the last one.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 29, 2013, 05:41:32 AM
Yes, it is.... :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 01, 2013, 08:08:22 PM
...and so is Misplaced Childhood (especially live.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on December 15, 2013, 12:16:40 PM
The Carol of the Bells
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x_qMcIRbdU
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Postwhore on December 15, 2013, 12:31:37 PM
...and so is Misplaced Childhood (especially live.)

1986 concert cred.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on December 15, 2013, 03:51:06 PM
Is the new Fish album a masterpiece or what? I never thought it would be as good if not better than the last one.

I need to get this, but I can't find it in the US like on Amazon in physical format?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 18, 2013, 07:33:40 PM
Listening to Marbles today. Lots of fantastic moments on this record. I'm becoming a huge fan of Steve Rothery.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 24, 2013, 04:24:21 PM
The Carol of the Bells
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x_qMcIRbdU

Brilliant!  Too bad this isn't on CD.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 24, 2013, 04:26:12 PM
Listening to Marbles today. Lots of fantastic moments on this record. I'm becoming a huge fan of Steve Rothery.

You'll enjoy this then.

Merry Christmas!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIT9ZvcECAo
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 24, 2013, 04:30:47 PM
Is the new Fish album a masterpiece or what? I never thought it would be as good if not better than the last one.

I need to get this, but I can't find it in the US like on Amazon in physical format?

www.fishheadsclub.com
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on December 26, 2013, 01:36:30 PM
Is the new Fish album a masterpiece or what? I never thought it would be as good if not better than the last one.

I need to get this, but I can't find it in the US like on Amazon in physical format?

www.fishheadsclub.com

Yeah I know, I just don't want to import it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 27, 2013, 06:22:51 PM
Is the new Fish album a masterpiece or what? I never thought it would be as good if not better than the last one.

I need to get this, but I can't find it in the US like on Amazon in physical format?

www.fishheadsclub.com

Yeah I know, I just don't want to import it.

Not 100 percent positive, but I think it's the only way you can get it at the moment.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on December 28, 2013, 10:48:27 AM
Steve Rothery's solo band is releasing an album next year, and he currently has a live album out to download for under $1/pay what you want.
https://www.progrockmag.com/news/marillion-steve-rothery-offers-llive-album-for-50p/
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 01, 2014, 11:22:27 AM
Steve Rothery's solo band is releasing an album next year, and he currently has a live album out to download for under $1/pay what you want.
https://www.progrockmag.com/news/marillion-steve-rothery-offers-llive-album-for-50p/

I'm not a downloader, but I was tempted by this a few weeks back and got it. Only listened to it twice so far, but I think it's pretty amazing.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on January 14, 2014, 09:29:26 AM
So I ordered Feast of Consequences from Fish's store, I got a download for the mp3s.

One listen in, this album is amazeballs.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 14, 2014, 08:27:57 PM
Same here -- I bought it a couple weeks ago and it has stayed in rotation in the CD player in my car.  Great stuff by Fish!!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 14, 2014, 08:28:25 PM
So I ordered Feast of Consequences from Fish's store, I got a download for the mp3s.

One listen in, this album is amazeballs.

We listened to this again over the weekend.

It's even better than amazeballs. Honsestly, I didn't think he still had it in him. 

The last time he created back to back no-brainer classics were A Vigil In A Wilderness of Mirrors and Internal Exile.  Sunsets On Empire was another masterpiece but the followup Raingods With Zippos was kind of uneven.

I've been told that he's trying to put some US dates together for much later in the year, but I'll believe it when they are finalized.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on January 15, 2014, 09:07:33 AM

I've been told that he's trying to put some US dates together for much later in the year, but I'll believe it when they are finalized.

Being that I'm in TX I'm still not holding my breath. I'd be amazed if he came into the area at all.

I only have Vigil and Feast. I only came into Fish's work through Marillion late 2013.

Just got Internal Exile off eBay for under 6 bucks.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 16, 2014, 07:39:56 PM
If a tour happens at all the best it will be is a handful of east coast dates, a few in California and maybe a few in the mid-west (Chicago.)

There would be a few Canadian dates too.

We'll be lucky if it's a two-week tour.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 26, 2014, 11:40:21 AM
bump.

17 minute short to be followed by a full-length doc about the fans and the band next March.
https://vimeo.com/96234194

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HolidaysAnoraks on September 26, 2014, 04:46:34 PM
That sounds promising. For 2015  they've announced that Friday night of MW is Anoraknophobia and Saturday is Marbles. I think Sunday will probably be a new album, which they are supposedly in the process of making, but that's just my guess.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on September 26, 2014, 07:52:33 PM
That sounds promising. For 2015  they've announced that Friday night of MW is Anoraknophobia and Saturday is Marbles. I think Sunday will probably be a new album, which they are supposedly in the process of making, but that's just my guess.

Holy crap, two of my favorite Latter-Day Marillion albums. I'm assuming it'll be the complete 2-CD edition of Marbles? I hope they do it all in album order, this time around, as opposed to Marbles By The Sea, which had some of the tracks rearranged.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HolidaysAnoraks on September 27, 2014, 07:27:25 PM
I'm assuming it is the two disc version. Honestly, I've always thought that the studio performances of the Marbles tracks seemed flat compared to their live counterparts, so when the live recording eventually comes out it will probably be my go to release when I want to hear the album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 29, 2014, 04:12:35 AM
Highly unlikely the Sunday will be the new album - If they do have any tracks ready to preview, we might hear one or two, but I doubt we'll get the whole lot. Still gutted they've overlooked the marillion.com album, was looking forward to seeing Interior Lulu too...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mister Gold on October 09, 2014, 01:09:16 PM
Been revisiting this band lately and I gotta say that I think Seasons End might be my new favorite from them. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on October 09, 2014, 01:22:10 PM
I've listened to a bunch of Marillion albums from both eras and I'm slowly becoming a fan. :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 10, 2014, 01:32:15 PM
Steve Rothery's Live in Rome CD is kicking my ass lately.  Haven't watched the companion DVD yet though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on October 10, 2014, 01:38:19 PM
Steve Rothery's Live in Rome CD is kicking my ass lately.  Haven't watched the companion DVD yet though.

Indeed. Though I'm kind of dissapointed because it's basically the same track listing as his "Live in Plovdiv" he's selling through bandcamp or whatever.

https://steverothery.bandcamp.com/album/steve-rothery-band-live-in-plovdiv
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on October 10, 2014, 01:42:19 PM
I've listened to a bunch of Marillion albums from both eras and I'm slowly becoming a fan. :tup

I've been playing the Fish albums in the last couple of weeks. Just awesome stuff.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mister Gold on October 10, 2014, 09:13:01 PM
I've listened to a bunch of Marillion albums from both eras and I'm slowly becoming a fan. :tup

I've been playing the Fish albums in the last couple of weeks. Just awesome stuff.

It's funny. I got into the band because of the Fish albums, but once I came across the H material, I hadn't really paid attention to the Fish albums for a long time. After revisiting that stuff lately, I think the band's two best albums were probably Clutching at Straws and Seasons End. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 10, 2014, 11:47:42 PM
Gave Clutching at Straws a full spin tonight, fist time in a long time. Was violently reminded why it topped my top 50 list, easily the most emotionally powerful album I know of. So fucking good man...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on October 11, 2014, 09:12:23 AM
Gave Clutching at Straws a full spin tonight, fist time in a long time. Was violently reminded why it topped my top 50 list, easily the most emotionally powerful album I know of. So fucking good man...

That's why it's in my top 10.

And I finally paid to get Feast from England a few days ago. After a really strong showing with 13th Star he actually managed to go a step above with this I think. The album is less in your face and more balanced, more Fish-like I would say, and it works well. Also a step up in production I would say. Overall very pleased.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mister Gold on October 12, 2014, 06:01:03 PM
Yeah, I started listening to A Feast of Consequences the other day. Incredible album! :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 13, 2014, 09:34:37 PM
Yeah, I started listening to A Feast of Consequences the other day. Incredible album! :metal

I think that album is a masterpiece. Even better than his last one.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 17, 2014, 01:00:36 PM
Marillion & Fans: The Movie
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1593051707/marillion-and-fans-the-movie
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 20, 2014, 05:04:10 PM
Just putting this here in the spirit of reliving an amazing evening....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1d0c-I4baU
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on April 07, 2015, 11:30:23 PM
Fish releases deluxe re-releases of solo-discs. This is from his Facebooksite.

Ok I know there are going to be an avalanche of questions as to choices/ formats etc etc etc so I'll try and cover what I think will be FAQ's now.

In 2001 when I moved from the house to my present residence ,The Studio a lot of things went missing including some demos and other recordings of ideas.

I was never one for making demos as there was no one to get opinions from, no record company to get an ok from and when we worked on songs we rarely kept track of progress.What there was wasn't really logged as the material wasn't that great in early stages so I wasn't inspired to hoard it as some artists do.

Because I had my own studio we worked on ideas and erased what wasn't good enough. I never took the Bruce Springsteen route of writing loads of material and choosing the best for the album. If it wasn't good enough I mostly discarded it or salvaged sections to be worked on that became the finished songs.

As the studio recordings up until 1998 were made using a Mitsubishi 32 track digital and a 24 track Studer analogue machine I have 2 different sizes of tape ( one inch and 2 inch respectively). I closed the studio at the end of 98.

These machines are now relative rarities and expensive to hire to make digital copies. I had to sell mine when I closed the studio as a refurbishment to keep it commercially viable was impossible to realise and I was under tremendous pressure from my bank to pay back loans and a crippling overdraft. The recorders and most of the equipment went in a "fire sale" delivering a pittance that was a band aid on a burst artery!

Another story for the autobiography!

The tapes, which I still have would have to be "baked" to allow them to run on the machines. To be absolutely frank the cost of doing this is prohibitive as I don't honestly think there are enough potential sales outside the loyal fan base to make it viable. More harsh realities!

Full remixes on "Sunsets" and "Raingods" are therefore not feasible.

"Fellini Days" is another issue. That album was recorded on hard drives. The tech was young and the formats now old. The drives were not backed up and when I examined them 2 years ago the actual physical characteristics of the drive were totally corrupted and despite sending them off to be rescued at a recognised firm the contents were irretrievable.The multi track copy was lost forever!

Chris Kimsey was to remix "Raingods", "Fellini Days" and "Field of Crows" but in the end only "Field" was accessible. He's done a superlative job on the songs and his remix alone makes it practically a brand new album!

Calum Malcolm has mastered nearly all the albums and the live material so he has access to the stereo files. These are decent sizes but not all available in 24 bit. Please don't go into techy issues with me as I am a singer not an engineer. I can get info from Calum but even I know now we don't have sooper dooper sizes available.He is remastering every single track to get the best out of them that he can and I know he will make them sound great.

Regarding 5-1 mixes again the expense overrules the implementation. I talked to Steven Wilson and Nick Beggs about this at the gig in Edinburgh recently and had already discussed them with Calum on the "Feast" sessions. There isn't the demand you may think and once again the cost overrules the reality. It's a promo tool that is very expensive and even Steve said that he is overrun with requests from clients with far bigger fan bases than I have with far heftier budgets from major labels supporting them.

The live tracks I have chosen together with Steve Vantsis are what I consider great versions and stand together with the studio material in the packages. A lot of the original live albums are out of print or deleted and the others that exist will not be reproduced. The live versions stand together with the original recordings to give an overall insight into the different renditions across the years and across the various line ups. They are I believe the definitive versions although some of you will disagree. They are what I have available and were chosen originally from ranks of recordings as being the best at the time.

Vinyl versions will eventually be available but it won't be the 3 cd version and they will be 2 albums on 180 gramme vinyl. Again tbh I can't afford to invest huge amounts in production of titles across different formats. It has to be done bit by bit.

The full albums will be available for download but I am restricting streaming sites to a few tracks per album and won't be putting everything up.

I've thought long and hard about these re releases and seeing copies of the originals going on e bay for 30-60 pounds it's time to get my solo catalogue out there in a final definitive form at a reasonable price.

I've got a hell of a lot of work to put in on the content of the actual packaging together with Mark Wilkinson in the coming months to make this something really worth having for fans and people discovering my songs.

 These are the final versions that I'm delivering as the legacy. I hope you like them!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 08, 2015, 04:38:40 AM
"Vinyl versions will eventually be available but it won't be the 3 cd version and they will be 2 albums on 180 gramme vinyl. Again tbh I can't afford to invest huge amounts in production of titles across different formats. It has to be done bit by bit."
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on April 09, 2015, 09:28:35 AM
And I finally paid to get Feast from England a few days ago. After a really strong showing with 13th Star he actually managed to go a step above with this I think. The album is less in your face and more balanced, more Fish-like I would say, and it works well. Also a step up in production I would say. Overall very pleased.

The deluxe version of feast is quite beautiful.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 12, 2015, 01:12:29 PM
I'm sure the vinyl will be great, but I'll be picking up the CDs again.

Have all of the various originals and remasters anyway so I'll be taking the plunge one last time.

I guess I'm fortunate to have all of those live releases since they are being left to the sands of time.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on April 15, 2015, 05:28:31 AM
Just got back from the UK Marillion Weekend. F*ck, they were the best gigs I've ever been to.

Friday - the Anoraknophobia Album. What a great collection of songs, all of which have extra energy when played live. This Strange Engine and Gaza as encores.

Saturday - the Marbles Album. The production, lights, lasers and projections made this phenomenal, the biggest thing the band have ever done. Hogarth gave it everything, and it was truly moving. The ovation after Ocean Cloud will stay in my memory a long time.

Sunday - Party night! I won't spoil it for anyone going to Montreal, but the band came on at full throttle and never let up. The crowd went wild - best gig I've ever been to. I love this band!!!!! :metal :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on April 15, 2015, 09:30:28 AM
Had to check the set since I'm nowhere near going to Montreal.


Dude.....  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on April 16, 2015, 12:04:59 AM
They played Marbles?! The 2 disc version? Wow...I wonder if they'll bother to release another live version of Marbles. I wouldn't mind as I've not been able to track down the first one they released awhile ago.

I'd definitely will get a live Anoraknophobia at some point though

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on April 16, 2015, 12:13:57 AM
i bet "Ocean Cloud" was transcendental. what a song!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on April 16, 2015, 12:20:24 AM
i bet "Ocean Cloud" was transcendental. what a song!

That song is beyond amazing.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on April 16, 2015, 02:18:21 AM
They filmed the 3 nights at Port Zeland, Netherlands for future DVD/CD release, and yes, it was the full 2 disc Marbles!  :hat
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on April 16, 2015, 09:07:46 AM
Listening to CaS again after a long break. Like everyone else.. just in awe at the music and wondering what would have come next if Fish hadn't left.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on April 16, 2015, 12:13:31 PM
They filmed the 3 nights at Port Zeland, Netherlands for future DVD/CD release, and yes, it was the full 2 disc Marbles!  :hat

Awesome, and it was performed in album order, too (from what I saw of the set list), which is unlike their performance order on their earlier full-album performance (which moved "Ocean Cloud" to the encore).

I'll happily buy all of these nights on CD and DVD. The Sunday set list looks amazing, but I'm baffled that the first night was quite a bit shorter than the rest, although those two encores after Anoraknophobia look amazing.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 16, 2015, 07:26:00 PM
Listening to CaS again after a long break. Like everyone else.. just in awe at the music and wondering what would have come next if Fish hadn't left.

I only wonder about that when I listen to the second disc. It really hits home then because the evidence is there.

Probably no surprise that I love both A Vigil In A Wilderness Of Mirrors and Seasons End.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on April 17, 2015, 10:05:17 AM
Probably no surprise that I love both A Vigil In A Wilderness Of Mirrors and Seasons End.

I just put Vigil on.  :rollin

I'll need to listen to the second disc of CaS more closely.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on April 18, 2015, 04:23:26 PM

Probably no surprise that I love both A Vigil In A Wilderness Of Mirrors and Seasons End.

This. I loved Season´s End when it came out. Then I listened to Vigil. It was just as good. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on April 18, 2015, 10:36:54 PM
Listening to CaS again after a long break. Like everyone else.. just in awe at the music and wondering what would have come next if Fish hadn't left.

I only wonder about that when I listen to the second disc. It really hits home then because the evidence is there.

Probably no surprise that I love both A Vigil In A Wilderness Of Mirrors and Seasons End.

Season's End was the first Marillion CD I ever bought. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on April 20, 2015, 07:01:35 AM
So I do a majority of my music listening at work in the background.

This morning I was listening to CaS on the way to work. That keyboard jingle in "That time of the night" hit me like a ton of bricks. Simple yet catchy.

Might be my new favorite song on CaS.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on April 30, 2015, 03:00:11 PM
Scored this on eBay

(https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTE5NVgxNjAw/z/-LEAAOSweW5VNDs8/$_57.JPG)

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 02, 2015, 03:33:28 PM
Nice!  I got one of those.

A signed litho also hangs on a wall in our dining room.

Unfortunately, the picture disc and the litho have airbrushed clown faces over where Mark Kelly and former manager John Arnison should be. They were removed from all but the initial pressings due to legal reasons. I was always bummed by that. I think it gives the piece more character.

Fish/Marillion (Mark Wilkinson) have a lot of awesome picture discs.  I think he's my favorite album artist.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 19, 2015, 10:15:08 AM
The more I listen and absorb Misplaced Childhood and CaS (I haven't gotten into Script or Fugazi yet) the more I am saddened by the split.

Watching Hogarth try and do some of the Fish era songs live (at least on Youtube) make me sad, I don't think he holds a candle. And nearly none of the H era stuff grabs me like the Fish era has.  But I think even to the bands own admittance they're more pop now than ever.

Then again we might not have had Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors, Sunsets on Empire or Feast .... if they hadn't split.


Listening now to Seasons End.. trying to get a feel for it and H's vocals are so different it's hard to even think of them as Marillion.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 19, 2015, 10:27:02 AM
It was a terrible loss. That's for sure.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 19, 2015, 10:39:37 AM
It was a terrible loss. That's for sure.

It is.

Then again, I think H took care of his voice better. Fish (again on youtube) from recent shows sounds pretty freakin bad. 

Why do singers do that?  So many wreck their voices doing dumb stuff...

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: snowdog on May 19, 2015, 12:38:02 PM
The more I listen and absorb Misplaced Childhood and CaS (I haven't gotten into Script or Fugazi yet) the more I am saddened by the split.

Watching Hogarth try and do some of the Fish era songs live (at least on Youtube) make me sad, I don't think he holds a candle.
To be fair Fish can't hold a candle to that material anymore.  I saw him several years ago at NEARFest.  It was a shame that all the CaS material he performed had to be tuned down and even then he couldn't hit the notes too well.  It's a shame.

But comparing Hogarth to Fish in his prime I do agree that Fish wins.  That said I do really like Season's End, Brave, and most of Afraid of Sunlight.  Hogarth's voice is fine on those albums it is just different than Fish.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 19, 2015, 12:53:33 PM
To be fair Fish can't hold a candle to that material anymore.  I saw him several years ago at NEARFest.  It was a shame that all the CaS material he performed had to be tuned down and even then he couldn't hit the notes too well.  It's a shame.

But comparing Hogarth to Fish in his prime I do agree that Fish wins.  That said I do really like Season's End, Brave, and most of Afraid of Sunlight.  Hogarth's voice is fine on those albums it is just different than Fish.

Yeah I mention how Fish sounds bad now.

H "sounds" fine, but there's something about Fish and how he sings, his inflection, accent and all. It really makes it stand out.  H is just kinda there singing.

Listening to Brave Now. it's ok.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: BlackInk on May 19, 2015, 01:08:26 PM
I don't listen to Marillion, but my cousin had his second daughter a few months ago, who he and his girlfriend named Leah Marillion Larnhem, after this band. Just a fun little thing I felt like sharing.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on May 19, 2015, 01:43:04 PM
In his prime, Fish's conviction and emotion could not be beat.   

But to tell you the truth, I *always* thought he was lacking as a singer.   His tone was was always really nasaly and I don't think I heard a single album where he didn't have pitch issues.   Lots of singers will hit the odd sour note live, but to have multiple takes in a studio and still have issues getting it just right?   Not good.

I do love Fish-era Marillion, but I consider Fish to be someone I like for their performance *rather than* their talent.   Perry Farrell from Jane's Addiction is someone who reminds me a bit of Fish.   Never thought Perry was a talented singer on any level whatsoever.  But his performance, emotion, and conviction was what sold it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 19, 2015, 02:05:03 PM
but to have multiple takes in a studio and still have issues getting it just right?   Not good.

Is this well known or something? I think this applies to nearly every singer and every studio session EVER. That's part of the point of the studio and professional services. Multiple takes, multiple sessions.. perfection.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on May 19, 2015, 02:09:39 PM
You're not getting what I'm saying.  Fish had multiple takes and professional services and in spite of that he STILL had issues getting it "perfect"...doesn't say a lot for his "singing" ability (which I feel he had little of in the first place)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 19, 2015, 02:14:41 PM
You're not getting what I'm saying.  Fish had multiple takes and professional services and in spite of that he STILL had issues getting it "perfect"...doesn't say a lot for his "singing" ability (which I feel he had little of in the first place)

I think the studio stuff sounds pretty good to me. Much more passable then a lot of other stuff I've come across.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 19, 2015, 04:16:55 PM
The more I listen and absorb Misplaced Childhood and CaS (I haven't gotten into Script or Fugazi yet) the more I am saddened by the split.

Watching Hogarth try and do some of the Fish era songs live (at least on Youtube) make me sad, I don't think he holds a candle. And nearly none of the H era stuff grabs me like the Fish era has.  But I think even to the bands own admittance they're more pop now than ever.

Then again we might not have had Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors, Sunsets on Empire or Feast .... if they hadn't split.


Listening now to Seasons End.. trying to get a feel for it and H's vocals are so different it's hard to even think of them as Marillion.

I try not to think of Hogarth doing any Fish songs myself. But then I also try and forget Marillion recorded Brave and Afraid of Sunlight too.

Fish didn't succeed for his vocal talents, that's for sure, but the guy never stops coming at you and all you hold dear.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 19, 2015, 07:13:49 PM
The more I listen and absorb Misplaced Childhood and CaS (I haven't gotten into Script or Fugazi yet) the more I am saddened by the split.

Watching Hogarth try and do some of the Fish era songs live (at least on Youtube) make me sad, I don't think he holds a candle. And nearly none of the H era stuff grabs me like the Fish era has.  But I think even to the bands own admittance they're more pop now than ever.

Then again we might not have had Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors, Sunsets on Empire or Feast .... if they hadn't split.


Listening now to Seasons End.. trying to get a feel for it and H's vocals are so different it's hard to even think of them as Marillion.

I try not to think of Hogarth doing any Fish songs myself. But then I also try and forget Marillion recorded Brave and Afraid of Sunlight too.

Fish didn't succeed for his vocal talents, that's for sure, but the guy never stops coming at you and all you hold dear.

He does have a way with words but I also think his vocals aren't bad at all.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on May 19, 2015, 07:36:58 PM
Honestly I've always enjoyed H much more than Fish.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 20, 2015, 07:01:46 AM
Honestly I've always enjoyed H much more than Fish.

Listening to Fish era vs H era.. it feels like the music got less complex on top of the different vocals.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on May 20, 2015, 08:22:10 AM
Honestly I've always enjoyed H much more than Fish.

This. I'm not a fan of the Fish era but H blows me away. Love his lyrics. They are always great to hear and interpret.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on May 20, 2015, 01:23:55 PM
I like both singers - my top 2 albums are CAS and Seasons End. I'm glad the band parted ways with Fish, because as cool as another album with him would've been, obviously the chemistry wasn't there anymore. Luckily we have both Marillion and Fish's solo career to follow.

However, H has definitely taken better care of his voice. Fish himself has admitted he strained his voice too much in the Marillion days: https://fishheadsclub.com/?wpmlmethod=newsletter&id=51
Quote
My voice was holding together well as we'd set the keys up in the writing where it wouldn't be straining. In the old days I'd rattle it out full pelt into the wee hours accompanied by wine and other "additives" that weren't exactly conducive to vocal stamina. Occasionally tapes would be slowed down for those really awkward high notes if continually running and jumping against the wall didn't get the desired result. I didn't know enough about music or think of asking the band to move keys in writing stages back then. They played. I sang with them. It would create problems later on as the years went by and I just physically could not sing like the 20 odd year old did on the albums.At 55 I take a different outlook and plan accordingly. My voice has changed over the years as I've got older and the wear and tear took it's toll. I've settled into a vocal area where my voice has lost some of it's range but benefited from the richness and tone working in lower keys that suit my voice. it's a lot more natural than that false falsetto I used to use that was untrained and forced resulting in long term issues that I had to deal with later on. The vocals on this album are spot on and I learned a lot on the Fishheads Club acoustic tour.
I've also read he used to be a smoker, which most likely didn't help, either.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 20, 2015, 01:30:33 PM
I like both singers - my top 2 albums are CAS and Seasons End. I'm glad the band parted ways with Fish, because as cool as another album with him would've been, obviously the chemistry wasn't there anymore. Luckily we have both Marillion and Fish's solo career to follow.

CaS is their best body of work. I think the chemisty was just getting right.  Obviously the stories that have been told of why the split happened proved off-stage chemistry lead to their demise (as well as financial quibbling)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on May 20, 2015, 03:48:14 PM
I have come to feel it would have been best for them to change their name after Fish left, but it was kind of past the point of no return. But just in terms of sound, it would have made a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 05, 2015, 06:48:05 PM
I have come to feel it would have been best for them to change their name after Fish left, but it was kind of past the point of no return. But just in terms of sound, it would have made a lot of sense.

I thought they were essentially the same until Brave although they started messing with the logo for Holidays In Eden.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 07, 2015, 10:39:37 AM
I like both singers - my top 2 albums are CAS and Seasons End. I'm glad the band parted ways with Fish, because as cool as another album with him would've been, obviously the chemistry wasn't there anymore. Luckily we have both Marillion and Fish's solo career to follow.

CaS is their best body of work. I think the chemisty was just getting right.  Obviously the stories that have been told of why the split happened proved off-stage chemistry lead to their demise (as well as financial quibbling)

Agreed, I feel it's there most complete work with either singer. Maybe it's a case of the chemistry only hitting on all cylinders in a state of complete rage, kind of like that chick who only is a firecracker in the sack when she's hella pissed at ya, and that day when you're pissed at her too and you both pour all that anger into the lovin'.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 11, 2015, 03:19:08 PM
Is this a trip or what?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIHnXHGafpg



My wife played this for me the other day (without looking at it) and I thought it was a lost live recording.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 11, 2015, 10:27:56 PM
That's frikkin spooky man...now if they could just get him to do Grendel...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on June 17, 2015, 11:25:33 AM
Misplaced Childhood is 30 years old today! You can read my thoughts here (https://echotester.blogspot.fi/2015/06/classic-album-anniversary-marillion.html).

Also, I happened to check the official store today and I'm glad I did, because Racket Records is having a summer sale: https://marillion.com/shop/offers.php I think I'll grab a few of the Weekend DVDs...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 20, 2015, 04:37:58 PM
Misplaced Childhood is 30 years old today! You can read my thoughts here (https://echotester.blogspot.fi/2015/06/classic-album-anniversary-marillion.html).

Also, I happened to check the official store today and I'm glad I did, because Racket Records is having a summer sale: https://marillion.com/shop/offers.php I think I'll grab a few of the Weekend DVDs...

Damn!  How freaky.

I completely forgot about that but a friend of ours wanted to hear the studio album again that night (I'd have opted for live) so we played it. That is too scary.

My wife just told me she realized it, but said she decided to smile quietly and keep it to herself.

Feeling a bit ignorant now.

 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 01, 2015, 12:52:18 PM
new album preorder up:

https://marillion.pmstores.co/#exclusives

per Pledgemusic
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on September 01, 2015, 01:11:01 PM
That video... :lol

As a relatively new fan I've never participated in their pre-order campaigns before, but I think I'll get myself the special edition. 51€ isn't a bad price for a box set, especially when it includes shipping.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 14, 2015, 07:36:51 PM
new album preorder up:

https://marillion.pmstores.co/#exclusives

per Pledgemusic

Hard to believe they are outsourcing this given that they are one of the ones who wrote the book on it.

I want the campaign edition, but I don't want my name in it.  I was able buy them without my name in them previously. May just get the regular edition now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on September 14, 2015, 07:53:35 PM
Can you leave the space blank when they ask your name?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 14, 2015, 08:21:23 PM
Can you leave the space blank when they ask your name?

Good question. I'll look into that.

I suppose I can even leave a fake name.

Problem solved. Thanks!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on September 15, 2015, 02:14:31 PM
That video... :lol

As a relatively new fan I've never participated in their pre-order campaigns before, but I think I'll get myself the special edition. 51€ isn't a bad price for a box set, especially when it includes shipping.
So the "Essence of Marillion" is Fish, right?

 :corn
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on September 15, 2015, 03:59:25 PM
Can you leave the space blank when they ask your name?

Good question. I'll look into that.

I suppose I can even leave a fake name.

Problem solved. Thanks!

Use your pron name.  Or your hotel name. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 27, 2015, 07:43:11 PM
Can you leave the space blank when they ask your name?

Good question. I'll look into that.

I suppose I can even leave a fake name.

Problem solved. Thanks!

Use your pron name.  Or your hotel name.

I'll use my Ashley Madison name!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Deathless on November 05, 2015, 06:48:17 AM
So I've heard bits and pieces of this band before, but I listened through Clutching at Straws in it's entirety last night and I'm hooked. Should I just start at the beginning of the discography and work all the way through? I've read up on Fish/Hogarth, etc, so I know the vocals will change etc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on November 05, 2015, 07:29:07 AM
So I've heard bits and pieces of this band before, but I listened through Clutching at Straws in it's entirety last night and I'm hooked. Should I just start at the beginning of the discography and work all the way through? I've read up on Fish/Hogarth, etc, so I know the vocals will change etc.

My opinion?  As someone who got into the band with Misplaced Childhood and has been a fan since? 

Go in this order:
Clutching At Straws
Misplaced Childhood
Script For a Jester's Tear (and the b-sides)
Fugazi
Real to Reel (LIVE)
Thieving Magpie or Live at Lorelei (LIVE)

Then hit the Hogarth, in chronological order.  Not so much with the Fish years, since it was only about six years or so (from album 1 to album 4) but you should experience the progression from Season's End, which is just a Fish-era album with Hogarth's vocals, to something like Marbles or Happiness...  which is nothing like the first four in any way.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on November 05, 2015, 11:36:43 AM
Not sure if Fish has his own thread.. couldn't find it.

https://shop.fishheads.club/product/sunsets-on-empire-re-mastered-box-set/

https://shop.fishheads.club/product/raingods-with-zippos-remastered-box-set/

Here's two of his albums remastered he's got up for order.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on November 06, 2015, 05:51:10 AM
Marillion are my band of the year. Having started the year with just Marbles, over the course of 2015 I have purchased five of their albums: Brave, Sounds That Can't Be Made, Anoraknophobia, Holidays in Eden and Seasons End. I've completely fallen in love with Dry Land (off HiE). Just an incredibly beautiful, spacious song. Brave is a very moving album too, especially The Great Escape.

And they get my 2,500th forum post.  :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on November 06, 2015, 07:14:01 AM
Marillion are my band of the year. Having started the year with just Marbles, over the course of 2015 I have purchased five of their albums: Brave, Sounds That Can't Be Made, Anoraknophobia, Holidays in Eden and Seasons End. I've completely fallen in love with Dry Land (off HiE). Just an incredibly beautiful, spacious song. Brave is a very moving album too, especially The Great Escape.

And they get my 2,500th forum post.  :tup

Interesting.  HUGE Marillion fan (both incarnations) and though I missed them opening for Rush on the infamous MC tour (they played 20 minutes from me while I was in college and I opted to skip it) I've seen Marillion with Hogarth twice and Fish three times.

Curious what you think of the six albums you have:  they have, what, 15 albums now, and if you asked me to name FIVE you have to have, you only have two on that list (Marbles and Brave).   HiE was decidedly lackluster after Seasons End, which is a stellar album (King of Sunset Town live was mesmerizing, and sold me hook line and sinker on Hogarth).  For me, "After Me" is everything you describe Dry Land as, and for me, Dry Land is just a rewrite of After Me.  Anoraknophobia was good not great, but at the time it smelled faintly of desperation, what with the single coming "two for one" with a letter to be sent to radio stations, and statements to critics about how it's "not prog", and name-dropping Massive Attack every 46 seconds.   At the time I was on a Marillion hiatus (they completely and utterly lost me with This Strange Engine, to this day a competitor for least favorite Marillion album along with Somewhere Else).   After taking a flier on Marbles (which I love love love) I went back and got Radiation (LOVE IT, both versions), marillion.com (LOVE IT), and Anoraknophobia (like it) and subsequently fell in love with Afraid of Sunlight (LOVE IT).

Two thoughts for those digging in:  once you make it through the albums proper, you MUST seek out the EMI b-sides compilations.   They are cheap ($10, $15 in the US) and three (Fish era)/four (Hogarth) era sets with all the b-sides.  The b-sides from Season's End are all album quality (and often get played live) and some of the Brave material (edits, mostly) is really interesting. 

2.  You might find that the Hogarth material that Dave Meegan is involved with is I'll say different (though I mean "better", because I like it a lot more) than the rest of the material with Hogarth.  Just an observation.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on November 06, 2015, 08:23:08 AM
After Me hasn't grabbed me yet. It's all about the chord progressions. The chorus of Dry Land has chords that just get me.

My least favourite of the six albums I have is probably Sounds That Can't Be Made. Not that I don't like the songs; not at all. I just find it's an exhausting listen, and the 10-minute The Sky Above the Rain feels like a trudge having already had 17- (Gaza) and 14-minute (Montreal) songs to get through. My concentration levels have usually been sapped by the time I get to TSATR, and that, sadly, means I don't feel like giving it a spin all that often.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 06, 2015, 12:51:35 PM
"Unconventional" trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ser4wdLuhyw
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on November 06, 2015, 01:31:24 PM
Welp, I found the 2-disc version of Holidays In Eden, so that's on the way, meaning I'll have every studio album except whatever this new one is.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on December 08, 2015, 01:03:21 PM
2016 NA Tour Dates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fMpMQWHOy4

Oct 21 San Francisco, CA
Oct 22 Beverly Hills, CA
Oct 25 Denver, CO
Oct 27 Chicago, IL
Oct 28 Chicago, IL
Oct 29 Northfield, OH
Oct 31 Toronto, ON
Nov 1 Montreal, QC
Nov 2 Quebec
Nov 4 Boston, MA
Nov 5 Washington, DC
Nov 6 Glenside, PA
Nov 8 New York, New York
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on December 08, 2015, 01:08:26 PM
2016 NA Tour Dates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fMpMQWHOy4

Oct 21 San Francisco, CA
Oct 22 Beverly Hills, CA
Oct 25 Denver, CO
Oct 27 Chicago, IL
Oct 28 Chicago, IL
Oct 29 Northfield, OH
Oct 31 Toronto, ON
Nov 1 Montreal, QC
Nov 2 Quebec
Nov 4 Boston, MA
Nov 5 Washington, DC
Nov 6 Glenside, PA
Nov 8 New York, New York

They're playing within a 3 hour distance from me, which is probably the closest they've ever played since I became a fan, or at least, have cared to know. I may have to save up and go to this one if tickets aren't too expensive. Surprising they have so many tour dates for a NA tour. Looks like their hard work has paid off, and the fans' hard work as well. Big rounds of applause for the band and their fans for making a 13-date NA Tour possible!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on December 08, 2015, 01:29:15 PM
Love the theater in Glenside. And they were amazing on the cruise, even though I don't follow the H era much. If tickets are reasonable I'll likely be there.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Deathless on December 08, 2015, 02:12:07 PM
Damn, nothing in the southeast. I might try and head up to DC or maybe Ohio... I need to see them live!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on December 19, 2015, 11:22:50 AM
this is worth a laugh or 2, for those who've never seen it.

https://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Marillion
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 02, 2016, 10:44:43 AM
Love the theater in Glenside. And they were amazing on the cruise, even though I don't follow the H era much. If tickets are reasonable I'll likely be there.

We'll be at the Keswick. I doubt it will sell out so we'll get tickets closer to the show. New York is tempting since it's on election night and the last gig of the tour.

A friend of ours is trying to convince us to go to DC instead since it's on the weekend, but that's not going to happen.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 04, 2016, 07:08:07 AM
I'm going to head down there as well (from Connecticut).  I used to live in Philly, so it's a chance to get back for a day or two.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on January 04, 2016, 07:12:50 AM
Has anybody watched the new documentary they just released?

I'm thinking of going to the Denver show. Never seen Marillion live but I simply love the Hogarth era so I can't miss this one.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on January 04, 2016, 10:24:00 AM
I bought Clutching at Straws today, my first Fish-era Marillion album (7th overall).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Deathless on January 04, 2016, 10:53:11 AM
I bought Clutching at Straws today, my first Fish-era Marillion album (7th overall).

It's a fantastic album. I really liked the direction they were heading (and they obviously developed more with H's first few albums as well).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 04, 2016, 12:09:02 PM
I bought Clutching at Straws today, my first Fish-era Marillion album (7th overall).

It's a fantastic album. I really liked the direction they were heading (and they obviously developed more with H's first few albums as well).

My favorite Marillion album, and in my top ten favorites of all time.  LOVE that album. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on January 04, 2016, 12:22:19 PM
I bought Clutching at Straws today, my first Fish-era Marillion album (7th overall).

No 1 album on my top 50. Probably one of the best life decisions you've ever made. :p
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: devieira73 on January 07, 2016, 09:27:31 AM
News about the new album, from Marillion's eWeb Newsletter:

"Better late than never - Happy New Year to everyone.
So it's 2016! A big year in the offing for us.
We're now back in the studio developing the song ideas for M18 (which is still available to pre order at www.pledgemusic.com/marillion). We begin the new year in good shape, listening to the 6 current contenders currently working-titled:

The Leavers 14m 26sec
El Dorado 12m 18sec
Class 4m 58sec
Things Buried 3m 53sec
New Kings 16m 30 sec
Melt Our Guns 5m 20sec

If you can add, then you’ll see there’s already an hour of music on the boil. The time references are current song lengths but will lengthen or shorten depending upon creative decisions currently being taken. It’s also possible that songs will be subtracted and added to this list. Song titles may also change, so don’t write to us asking where things came from and went to!

We have another two or three strong ideas queuing up for development which we are on course to have ready for the “backing track final performance” stage which will take place at Peter Gabriel’s “Real World” studio in late February. It’s all coming together nicely now.

Tour dates are starting to take shape - head over to www.marillion.com/tour for details. We are adding dates for UK and Europe over the next few weeks so keep checking back.

In the Spring we will also be announcing the dates and venues for the Marillion Weekends for 2017, which will go on sale this Summer.

So our plan for this year seems to be - finish the new album (and give it a name!) and then go tour in as many countries as we can. We feel the tour for the new album will run well into 2017, then we are planning the Marillion Weekends, and then more touring. Phew!

Thanks to everyone who bought the new DVD 'Unconventional' - we have had some great reviews so far - watch this short video to see more https://vimeo.com/149435860. We are very pleased with the job "Toward Infinity” has done in producing this for us.

2016 is going to be a great year.
Thanks for being part of it.

h, Ian, Mark, Pete and Steve"

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on January 07, 2016, 11:52:19 AM
Wow! Three fairly lenghty songs! I like the look of that - I enjoy it when they take the time to really develop and expand upon a song idea, as I really enjoyed "Gaza" the last time around. Hopefully it's a solid hour+ worth of music whenever this thing comes out.

I noticed they didn't get an exact, or even a ballpark release date, but I'd assume it'd be no later than May since they seem to say "Spring 2016", so hopefully it'll be out by then, without delay! I still have to pre-order mine, though. So many good things coming out this year that I'll be SUPER poor in no time!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on January 07, 2016, 10:22:25 PM
I bought Clutching at Straws today, my first Fish-era Marillion album (7th overall).

It's a fantastic album. I really liked the direction they were heading (and they obviously developed more with H's first few albums as well).

My favorite Marillion album, and in my top ten favorites of all time.  LOVE that album.

Great album. Sugar Mice is one of my favorite Marillion songs.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on January 08, 2016, 08:52:33 AM
I was a huge Marillion fan back in the day... bought everything they released and that I could find. Singles, maxi singles etc... then Fish left.

The first album with Hogarth was quite alright and I loved the lyrics of Univited guest as that was how I and many more saw Hogarth.

Then for every release they lost me more and more. I have tried to get into the later SH era Marillion albums... I just can't. They seem so bland and uninspired to me.

A lot of Fish solo albums have been great though...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Deathless on January 08, 2016, 10:51:24 AM
I was a huge Marillion fan back in the day... bought everything they released and that I could find. Singles, maxi singles etc... then Fish left.

The first album with Hogarth was quite alright and I loved the lyrics of Univited guest as that was how I and many more saw Hogarth.

Then for every release they lost me more and more. I have tried to get into the later SH era Marillion albums... I just can't. They seem so bland and uninspired to me.

A lot of Fish solo albums have been great though...

I'm with you on this. I really enjoyed their first two/three releases with Hogarth, but I'm having problems getting into their later 90's/early 2000's output.

I absolutely love Fish's first two solo albums as well. They are in heavy rotation right now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 12:13:43 PM
I hear this a lot from Marillion fans. I guess since I got into them through Hogarth first, I lean more towards his material. Don't get me wrong. I love the stuff they did with Fish, but there's something about Hogarth's voice that draws me in even more.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 08, 2016, 12:16:44 PM
I was a huge Marillion fan back in the day... bought everything they released and that I could find. Singles, maxi singles etc... then Fish left.

The first album with Hogarth was quite alright and I loved the lyrics of Univited guest as that was how I and many more saw Hogarth.

Then for every release they lost me more and more. I have tried to get into the later SH era Marillion albums... I just can't. They seem so bland and uninspired to me.

A lot of Fish solo albums have been great though...

I'm with you on this. I really enjoyed their first two/three releases with Hogarth, but I'm having problems getting into their later 90's/early 2000's output.

I absolutely love Fish's first two solo albums as well. They are in heavy rotation right now.

Well, we can debate whether this is a good thing or not, but BOTH camps have been patchy.   For every great record (Vigil, Brave) there's a not so great one (Raingod's, This Strange Engine).   I had given up on Marillion, too, at the time of TSE, because I hated that and I didn't really care for Afraid of Sunlight, and didn't buy another record by them until I was browbeaten into buying Marbles, which is amazing (I defy anyone to not put Neverland in their top 10 Marillion song list).  I then went back to radiation, .com, and Anoraknophobia (which are all better than TSE), and around that time AoS clicked and now it is one of my favorites too.   I'm not a huge fan of Somewhere Else or the "Less Is More" set, and while I expect it to click at some point, Happiness... and Sounds... haven't clicked yet.

Fish is a different animal.  He's trying, but there are so many "cunning plans" over the years, that his solo work is spotty at best.   Sunsets is strong, as is Field of Crows, but I think he overreaches at times with his "concepts".   The whole "So Fellini!" thing was weak, in my opinion.    Having said that, there are about four or five lyrics that I would LOVE to sit down and ask him about.     
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 12:36:43 PM

Well, we can debate whether this is a good thing or not, but BOTH camps have been patchy.   For every great record (Vigil, Brave) there's a not so great one (Raingod's, This Strange Engine).   I had given up on Marillion, too, at the time of TSE, because I hated that and I didn't really care for Afraid of Sunlight, and didn't buy another record by them until I was browbeaten into buying Marbles, which is amazing (I defy anyone to not put Neverland in their top 10 Marillion song list).  I then went back to radiation, .com, and Anoraknophobia (which are all better than TSE), and around that time AoS clicked and now it is one of my favorites too.   I'm not a huge fan of Somewhere Else or the "Less Is More" set, and while I expect it to click at some point, Happiness... and Sounds... haven't clicked yet.

Fish is a different animal.  He's trying, but there are so many "cunning plans" over the years, that his solo work is spotty at best.   Sunsets is strong, as is Field of Crows, but I think he overreaches at times with his "concepts".   The whole "So Fellini!" thing was weak, in my opinion.    Having said that, there are about four or five lyrics that I would LOVE to sit down and ask him about.   

I really enjoy Sounds. The Sky Above The Rain is such a beautiful song, and I probably am endeared to it more because it's a reflection of my life in recent times. I also love Somewhere Else and Less Is More. The Memory of Water is such a heartfelt song. It's one of the songs, I always skip to. Not dance...I mean skip other tracks for.   :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 08, 2016, 06:06:31 PM
I need to give Sounds more time.  In fact, I'm flying later, maybe I'll put that on.   

To me, "less is more" is not a good mantra for Marillion.  They're a prog band - or at least, I like the prog side of them best - and so they are better when it's the five guys PLAYING. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on January 10, 2016, 05:03:16 AM
I enjoy STCBM, but The Sky Above the Rain drags on a bit too long, especially considering we've had over an hour of music already by that point. The few times I've listened to the album, I find myself mentally exhausted by the time I get to that song. and there's not a lot of variation in it to keep me interested.

As for Clutching at Straws, the 2nd listen went even better than the first. Which is usually a good sign that I will grow to really like the album once I get used to it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on January 10, 2016, 05:17:31 AM
I need to give Sounds more time.  In fact, I'm flying later, maybe I'll put that on.   

To me, "less is more" is not a good mantra for Marillion.  They're a prog band - or at least, I like the prog side of them best - and so they are better when it's the five guys PLAYING.

I enjoyed Less is More for what it was, but agree it's always better with the band effort, not just a couple of guys. It's the same as any band for me really. I love when they throw something different at you, but prefer their usual fanfare.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 17, 2016, 04:15:55 PM
I was a huge Marillion fan back in the day... bought everything they released and that I could find. Singles, maxi singles etc... then Fish left.

The first album with Hogarth was quite alright and I loved the lyrics of Univited guest as that was how I and many more saw Hogarth.

Then for every release they lost me more and more. I have tried to get into the later SH era Marillion albums... I just can't. They seem so bland and uninspired to me.

A lot of Fish solo albums have been great though...

I'm with you on this. I really enjoyed their first two/three releases with Hogarth, but I'm having problems getting into their later 90's/early 2000's output.

I absolutely love Fish's first two solo albums as well. They are in heavy rotation right now.

Well, we can debate whether this is a good thing or not, but BOTH camps have been patchy.   For every great record (Vigil, Brave) there's a not so great one (Raingod's, This Strange Engine).   I had given up on Marillion, too, at the time of TSE, because I hated that and I didn't really care for Afraid of Sunlight, and didn't buy another record by them until I was browbeaten into buying Marbles, which is amazing (I defy anyone to not put Neverland in their top 10 Marillion song list).  I then went back to radiation, .com, and Anoraknophobia (which are all better than TSE), and around that time AoS clicked and now it is one of my favorites too.   I'm not a huge fan of Somewhere Else or the "Less Is More" set, and while I expect it to click at some point, Happiness... and Sounds... haven't clicked yet.

Fish is a different animal.  He's trying, but there are so many "cunning plans" over the years, that his solo work is spotty at best.   Sunsets is strong, as is Field of Crows, but I think he overreaches at times with his "concepts".   The whole "So Fellini!" thing was weak, in my opinion.    Having said that, there are about four or five lyrics that I would LOVE to sit down and ask him about.   

Totally disagree on the soft spots (Brave, most of Afraid of Sunlight, Less Is More) (Suits) but we've already gone over that.

I really don't have a problem with anything else. I don't think Hogarth ever sounded better sonically than on This Strange Engine.  I love his natural timbre on that one. If I hadn't like that one, I may have been done with the band by that point myself.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 19, 2016, 07:17:15 AM
Totally disagree on the soft spots (Brave, most of Afraid of Sunlight, Less Is More) (Suits) but we've already gone over that.

I really don't have a problem with anything else. I don't think Hogarth ever sounded better sonically than on This Strange Engine.  I love his natural timbre on that one. If I hadn't like that one, I may have been done with the band by that point myself.

Well, we're not all that far off.  I will go back and revisit TSE; I just always thought it bland and uninspired, but I can't say I've ever listened close enough to really appreciate Hogarth (who I think is excellent; I don't think new fans quite realize how easily Marillion could have tanked if H didn't work out.  Fish was a rock star - or at least thought he was - back then, and Marillion was an arena touring band. Not like today, where both struggle to play small clubs.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on January 19, 2016, 01:43:12 PM
I've listened to Brave many times in the year I've had it, and I can't help but feel like Made Again is tacked on to the end. There's a good 5 seconds between the end of The Great Escape and the start of Made Again, which makes it feel even more separate from the album. I know there's a "sad ending" version of TGE, but with that, you miss out on the most stunning part of that song, Fallin' From the Moon. An album that's 95% melancholy might as well go all the way on that front and be 100% melancholy. The Great Escape with the happy ending feels like a better ending to the album than Made Again.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Sir Walrus Cauliflower on January 21, 2016, 09:41:59 PM
Just heard of this band on here a couple days ago, and have yet to check them out. What would you guys say is the most accessible, and what would you consider their best album?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: CharlesPL on January 21, 2016, 10:44:17 PM
Fish Era - Misplaced Childhood, Clutching (my fav Marillion album)
H era - Seasons End, Brave, Afraid of Sunlight, Marbles

accesible - Holidays in Eden, This Strange Engine, Somewhere Else, Seasons End
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 22, 2016, 06:46:07 AM
Fish Era - Misplaced Childhood, Clutching (my fav Marillion album)
H era - Seasons End, Brave, Afraid of Sunlight, Marbles

accesible - Holidays in Eden, This Strange Engine, Somewhere Else, Seasons End

"Accessible" doesn't necessarily mean "indicative of the band".  Personally, I think Charles nailed it with "Misplaced", "Clutching", "Seasons", and "Brave", and I would go in that order. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on January 22, 2016, 10:30:15 AM
accesible - Holidays in Eden, This Strange Engine, Somewhere Else, Seasons End
Somewhere Else was the second or third Marillion album I heard, but I didn't find it accessible at all. It took me a long time to warm up to it and I still find it one of the weaker H albums. I agree with the rest of your list, though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 22, 2016, 03:13:35 PM
Agreed on Somewhere Else.

Also while I enjoy a lot of Holidays in Eden, the songs that seem like obvious attempts at radio singles may not appeal to a new listener.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 23, 2016, 12:00:21 PM
Totally disagree on the soft spots (Brave, most of Afraid of Sunlight, Less Is More) (Suits) but we've already gone over that.

I really don't have a problem with anything else. I don't think Hogarth ever sounded better sonically than on This Strange Engine.  I love his natural timbre on that one. If I hadn't like that one, I may have been done with the band by that point myself.

Well, we're not all that far off.  I will go back and revisit TSE; I just always thought it bland and uninspired, but I can't say I've ever listened close enough to really appreciate Hogarth (who I think is excellent; I don't think new fans quite realize how easily Marillion could have tanked if H didn't work out.  Fish was a rock star - or at least thought he was - back then, and Marillion was an arena touring band. Not like today, where both struggle to play small clubs.

Marillion were never an arena band in the US. (Unless you want to count the opening slot) They were still doing club dates here until Fish left. Europe and South America, obviously, were another story. Both were able to maintain that level (arenas and festivals) there for a few years after the split.  Brave and Songs From The Mirror killed any shot to save that and the declining touring economics put the nails in the coffin.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on January 24, 2016, 03:00:39 AM
Still think ´Fugazi´ is criminally underrated. Such great atmosphere on there.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 25, 2016, 07:26:33 AM
Totally disagree on the soft spots (Brave, most of Afraid of Sunlight, Less Is More) (Suits) but we've already gone over that.

I really don't have a problem with anything else. I don't think Hogarth ever sounded better sonically than on This Strange Engine.  I love his natural timbre on that one. If I hadn't like that one, I may have been done with the band by that point myself.

Well, we're not all that far off.  I will go back and revisit TSE; I just always thought it bland and uninspired, but I can't say I've ever listened close enough to really appreciate Hogarth (who I think is excellent; I don't think new fans quite realize how easily Marillion could have tanked if H didn't work out.  Fish was a rock star - or at least thought he was - back then, and Marillion was an arena touring band. Not like today, where both struggle to play small clubs.

Marillion were never an arena band in the US. (Unless you want to count the opening slot) They were still doing club dates here until Fish left. Europe and South America, obviously, were another story. Both were able to maintain that level (arenas and festivals) there for a few years after the split.  Brave and Songs From The Mirror killed any shot to save that and the declining touring economics put the nails in the coffin.

You are, of course, technically correct.  I was referring to the point that a) neither band could do a festival like Lorelei today, b) neither band would even get the arena OPENING slot today, both of which are consistent with what you said (and not that clear the way I said it even though that is what I meant).   I would argue, though, that their "runs" lasted that long.  I tend to think - but it is only my opinion, and I welcome your thoughts on this - that their second albums were the death knell.  After "Internal Exile", EMI dropped Fish acrimoniously, and "Holidays..." was the start of the decline; each album, starting then and ending (well, bottoming out) with Marbles, sold progressively less.  I know Marillion didn't get dropped until after "Afraid..." but I think "Holidays..." was really the turning point.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on January 25, 2016, 12:41:46 PM
I'm not really knowledgeable enough to chime in here, but I just want to add that Fish was one of the headliners of last year's Lorelei festival, and Steve Rothery played a pretty good slot with his solo band as well, so based on that, I'd think that Marillion could very well headline at least that particular festival.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 26, 2016, 09:15:18 AM
If it's the same festival - same size, etc. - as the show they recorded and released on CD/DVD back in the day ("Live From Lorelei"; you should get it!) then consider me stunned.   If I recall, that show then was the size of a US arena crown (20K +/-).   I could very well be wrong (and Scorpion, I am not calling you out with this), but I feel like there is NO WAY that Fish is playing 20K rooms in 2015. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Deathless on January 26, 2016, 02:11:50 PM
Fish was also playing his "Farewell to Misplaced Childhood" shows this year, which bumped up his booking at a number of festivals/concerts.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on January 27, 2016, 12:21:53 AM
AFAIK, Steve Rothery refuses to transpose songs, which would be necessary in order for Fish to be able to sing the old Marillion stuff, and that's why even a guest appearance for a song or two is very unlikely.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 28, 2016, 07:37:17 PM
Totally disagree on the soft spots (Brave, most of Afraid of Sunlight, Less Is More) (Suits) but we've already gone over that.

I really don't have a problem with anything else. I don't think Hogarth ever sounded better sonically than on This Strange Engine.  I love his natural timbre on that one. If I hadn't like that one, I may have been done with the band by that point myself.

Well, we're not all that far off.  I will go back and revisit TSE; I just always thought it bland and uninspired, but I can't say I've ever listened close enough to really appreciate Hogarth (who I think is excellent; I don't think new fans quite realize how easily Marillion could have tanked if H didn't work out.  Fish was a rock star - or at least thought he was - back then, and Marillion was an arena touring band. Not like today, where both struggle to play small clubs.

Marillion were never an arena band in the US. (Unless you want to count the opening slot) They were still doing club dates here until Fish left. Europe and South America, obviously, were another story. Both were able to maintain that level (arenas and festivals) there for a few years after the split.  Brave and Songs From The Mirror killed any shot to save that and the declining touring economics put the nails in the coffin.

You are, of course, technically correct.  I was referring to the point that a) neither band could do a festival like Lorelei today, b) neither band would even get the arena OPENING slot today, both of which are consistent with what you said (and not that clear the way I said it even though that is what I meant).   I would argue, though, that their "runs" lasted that long.  I tend to think - but it is only my opinion, and I welcome your thoughts on this - that their second albums were the death knell.  After "Internal Exile", EMI dropped Fish acrimoniously, and "Holidays..." was the start of the decline; each album, starting then and ending (well, bottoming out) with Marbles, sold progressively less.  I know Marillion didn't get dropped until after "Afraid..." but I think "Holidays..." was really the turning point.

Well, I like Holidays and thought it was fairly similar to Seasons End although a bit "lighter." I thought it was on par with that "wall of sound" quality that had been on previous albums which more or less disappeared with Brave. (Which I think pretty much killed the band's profile in the US. I'm not suggesting the change in style was completely responsible for this, the label (by this point EMI subsidiary IRS) really didn't know what to do with it (and there was no US tour. I can't remember now why because my interest had started to wane.)
A few Holidays tracks were getting airplay and there seemed to be a real push (the last one?) to break the band.

As far as Fish goes. His first solo album for EMI was also his last. (See Speaking In Tongues from Internal Exile) Internal Exile was released on Polydor about two years after Vigil after Fish engaged in a battle to get out of his EMI record deal. I happen to love that album too, but some thought the material was too "Scottish" which limited its accessibility (The US album came out with a more generic album cover) Fish was still a pretty big deal overseas as was Marillion.

Both are festival regulars although they are not consistently headliners anymore (To my somewhat limited knowledge at this point.). Save for a handful of diehards in the US both are essentially off the musical radar here.

Fish followed up Internal Exile with the Songs From The Mirror covers album which I don't even think saw a US release. Not the best career move at that point.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 29, 2016, 07:41:21 AM
Well, I like Holidays and thought it was fairly similar to Seasons End although a bit "lighter." I thought it was on par with that "wall of sound" quality that had been on previous albums which more or less disappeared with Brave. (Which I think pretty much killed the band's profile in the US. I'm not suggesting the change in style was completely responsible for this, the label (by this point EMI subsidiary IRS) really didn't know what to do with it (and there was no US tour. I can't remember now why because my interest had started to wane.)
A few Holidays tracks were getting airplay and there seemed to be a real push (the last one?) to break the band.

As far as Fish goes. His first solo album for EMI was also his last. (See Speaking In Tongues from Internal Exile) Internal Exile was released on Polydor about two years after Vigil after Fish engaged in a battle to get out of his EMI record deal. I happen to love that album too, but some thought the material was too "Scottish" which limited its accessibility (The US album came out with a more generic album cover) Fish was still a pretty big deal overseas as was Marillion.

Both are festival regulars although they are not consistently headliners anymore (To my somewhat limited knowledge at this point.). Save for a handful of diehards in the US both are essentially off the musical radar here.

Fish followed up Internal Exile with the Songs From The Mirror covers album which I don't even think saw a US release. Not the best career move at that point.

All this is consistent with my understanding as well.  The only thing I would add (and not argument, but just comment) is that my perspective of Holidays... and Brave are exactly the opposite.

I LOVED Season's End (and it is still a top 3 H-era album).  Saw the tour, and to this day I lose it over "King of Sunset Town", "After Me", and "The Space".   Holidays was a SUPREME let down for me.  MASSIVE.  I like "Waiting To Happen", and the ending mini-suite, but there is a lot on that record that still, to this day, does not resonate ("No One Can" is just.. .unlistenable to me).  I thought they LOST the "wall of sound" here, and then gained it back with Brave. I love what Dave Meegan does for this band, and would be eager to see them work together again, and the best word I can use for that album is "dense".   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: sfam2112 on January 29, 2016, 11:13:54 PM
AFAIK, Steve Rothery refuses to transpose songs, which would be necessary in order for Fish to be able to sing the old Marillion stuff, and that's why even a guest appearance for a song or two is very unlikely.

When Fish sang "Market Square Heroes" with them in 2007(?), it was transposed down a half-step and during the 2013 Weekend, "The Space" was down a full-step for h. :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 30, 2016, 04:03:14 PM
Well, I like Holidays and thought it was fairly similar to Seasons End although a bit "lighter." I thought it was on par with that "wall of sound" quality that had been on previous albums which more or less disappeared with Brave. (Which I think pretty much killed the band's profile in the US. I'm not suggesting the change in style was completely responsible for this, the label (by this point EMI subsidiary IRS) really didn't know what to do with it (and there was no US tour. I can't remember now why because my interest had started to wane.)
A few Holidays tracks were getting airplay and there seemed to be a real push (the last one?) to break the band.

As far as Fish goes. His first solo album for EMI was also his last. (See Speaking In Tongues from Internal Exile) Internal Exile was released on Polydor about two years after Vigil after Fish engaged in a battle to get out of his EMI record deal. I happen to love that album too, but some thought the material was too "Scottish" which limited its accessibility (The US album came out with a more generic album cover) Fish was still a pretty big deal overseas as was Marillion.

Both are festival regulars although they are not consistently headliners anymore (To my somewhat limited knowledge at this point.). Save for a handful of diehards in the US both are essentially off the musical radar here.

Fish followed up Internal Exile with the Songs From The Mirror covers album which I don't even think saw a US release. Not the best career move at that point.

All this is consistent with my understanding as well.  The only thing I would add (and not argument, but just comment) is that my perspective of Holidays... and Brave are exactly the opposite.

I LOVED Season's End (and it is still a top 3 H-era album).  Saw the tour, and to this day I lose it over "King of Sunset Town", "After Me", and "The Space".   Holidays was a SUPREME let down for me.  MASSIVE.  I like "Waiting To Happen", and the ending mini-suite, but there is a lot on that record that still, to this day, does not resonate ("No One Can" is just.. .unlistenable to me).  I thought they LOST the "wall of sound" here, and then gained it back with Brave. I love what Dave Meegan does for this band, and would be eager to see them work together again, and the best word I can use for that album is "dense".   

No One Can is just amazing.

Maybe Dry Land is my least favorite on that album. Whenever I hear the beginning, I'm thinking bad Journey song.

Another thing I didn't like about Holidays (and I guess I'm being picky about it) is that they changed the band logo. Now obviously they were no longer THAT band but would have thought they could have come up with something better than that. (and they did later with the understated "ee cummings thing."
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on March 03, 2016, 12:39:21 PM
Next Marillion album into my collection is Fugazi. Punch & Judy has recently become one of those songs where one listen simply isn't enough. Then I heard the title track, fell in love with that and decided to take the plunge and get the album.

And it may be followed swiftly by Afraid of Sunlight.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on March 04, 2016, 05:09:05 AM
I love Fugazi, it always gets overlooked. The album was finished under a lot of time-pressure from the record company while they were on tour. Every song on it has its own flavour, Assassing, Incubus, Punch and Judy are all good, Jigsaw is a nice ballad. Emerald Lies is a standuit track for me, so emotional. She Chameleon is such a great brooding track and the titeltrack tops it all off with a flourish.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on March 04, 2016, 05:13:10 AM
the title track to Fugazi does stand out.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 04, 2016, 08:14:02 AM
^^^ One of those songs (Forgotten Sons is another) that takes on a whole new, different life live, as well.  Not sure there is a poor live version out there. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on March 05, 2016, 08:18:56 AM
Assassing and Jigsaw are two of my favorite Marillion songs, and I also really like Incubus, but the rest of Fugazi hasn't really clicked with me. To be honest I'm not a huge fan of Script either, as I feel Marillion's creativity didn't start blooming in full force until Misplaced Childhood.
AFAIK, Steve Rothery refuses to transpose songs, which would be necessary in order for Fish to be able to sing the old Marillion stuff, and that's why even a guest appearance for a song or two is very unlikely.

When Fish sang "Market Square Heroes" with them in 2007(?), it was transposed down a half-step and during the 2013 Weekend, "The Space" was down a full-step for h. :)
True, but Rothery didn't have to change his fingering in either of those cases: MSH was tuned down half a step, while The Space was played without a capo. I think his main gripe would be having to learn new chord shapes, arpeggios, etc. (or doing some serious downtuning) and consequently changing the feel of the songs. After all, in this clip from last year (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_7zeB6DDPU) MSH has been transposed down 5 semitones, so Fish's range isn't what it used to be even 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 06, 2016, 10:29:53 AM
I love Fugazi, it always gets overlooked. The album was finished under a lot of time-pressure from the record company while they were on tour. Every song on it has its own flavour, Assassing, Incubus, Punch and Judy are all good, Jigsaw is a nice ballad. Emerald Lies is a standuit track for me, so emotional. She Chameleon is such a great brooding track and the titeltrack tops it all off with a flourish.

I love Fugazi, but it's always been overshadowed by Misplaced Childhood and Clutching at Straws for me. That tour was also the last time the bulk of the pre-Misplaced Childhood songs got played. So it's a good tour to enjoy for historical reasons. It didn't hurt that they were at the top of their game, but Marillion was always like that back then (They still are in a lot of ways, but it's a much different vibe now.)

 Back when Fish wasn't doing the nostalgia thing, Incubus was one of the few Marillion songs that made the cut in his solo set. I love Jigsaw, especially live when the crowd gets into it. Very moving. The guy really knew how to perform. I don't think Jigsaw got played as much as some other that album, but it seemed to get a great response when it did.

I love Fugazi too. Definitely a live standout. Fish included it in his 1998 medley when I saw him and it was pretty amazing (even without Rothery.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on March 09, 2016, 03:26:35 AM
And it may be followed swiftly by Afraid of Sunlight.

It has been followed swiftly by Afraid of Sunlight. Arrived this morning. Knocked out and re-mastered to bits.

UPDATE: Just finished listening for the first time. Wowee! Stunning album! I love how, with the theme of excess appearing in many of the songs, it feels like a concept album, even if it wasn't fully intended to be (reading the liner notes). Favourite songs are Cannibal Surf Babe, Beautiful, Out Of This World and the epic closer King.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 07, 2016, 06:06:43 AM
https://www.facebook.com/MarillionOfficial/photos/a.325573389340.149843.8367514340/10154352273899341/?type=3&theater

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"Our new album will be released on September 9th 2016. Final date for pre-orders is 17th June. Thanks to everyone who has pre-ordered so far. We are very excited about this album and can't wait to share it with you."
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Enigmachine on April 07, 2016, 06:16:15 AM
That album name is so un-Marillion.  :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: CharlesPL on April 07, 2016, 09:05:38 AM
Shi.. Can't wait, My top 5 favorite Band.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Deathless on April 07, 2016, 11:30:12 AM
Lol, definitely does not sound like a Marillion title. Still excited to hear it and catch them on tour!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on April 07, 2016, 05:12:43 PM
It's such a non-Marillion album title that I can only love it and chuckle at the people complaining about it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 07, 2016, 05:43:33 PM
That's one bitchin ass title. This should be interesting.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on April 09, 2016, 08:25:43 AM
That's one bitchin ass title. This should be interesting.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: devieira73 on April 28, 2016, 06:55:49 AM
From Marillon's mail list:

Details on F E A R Special Edition & Ultimate Box Sets:

We are rapidly approaching the deadline of the 17th June for Pre-Ordering/ Upgrading or just generally changing your mind on which version of F E A R you want to receive on Sept 9th. So we thought we would take a minute to go through exactly what you can expect to receive in both the Special Edition and Ultimate box sets.

Firstly, it’s important to note that the approach for this album from the beginning has been to include artwork and film making throughout the whole of the writing and recording process. Usually the plan would be to finish the music, or at least get beyond the jamming stage, before thinking about visuals to accompany the music. This time the two have evolved hand in hand. Hopefully the end result will be something really special; an eclectic mix of visuals that complement and enhance the musical experience.

Each track will have its own artwork and identity. Each will also have its own mini film put together using a wide range of mediums from physical artwork, live action, right through to 3D CGI and motion capture techniques. It's all exciting stuff and we are hoping to bring you something truly unique. These films will eventually be used around the world when the new songs are played live.

Both editions will contain an 180 page art book with extensive images, photography taken during the making of the album, album lyrics and the names of those who pre-ordered that particular format.

The special edition will be printed in the same size book as the special edition version of Sounds That Can't be Made and will be housed in a rigid slipcase.

The Ultimate box set includes a large format 12”/30cm size hardback art book, so you can enjoy the artwork and lyrics in a full Vinyl sized format. As there are fewer names contained in this format there will be room for several extra images, exclusive to this larger book.
This Ultimate edition will also include a separate Lyric and Chord booklet with printed 'handwritten Cheat Sheets' for each song. This version will also include a separate CD with demos of all of the album tracks.
The uniqueness of this version is that you will be able to enjoy the music and all of the new films in High Definition with 96k DTS-HD audio in stereo or 5.1 on the Blu-ray disc that is included with this format.

Please be aware that for both of these versions, we will ONLY manufacture these based on orders received BEFORE 17th June. After that date there will be no more of these made, once they are gone they are gone!

See below for a complete list of what you will get in each of these formats.
 


Special Edition:
Approx 15cm x 16cm 180 page Hardback Art & Lyrics Book with rigid outer F E A R slipcase.
CD of complete album

DVD containing:
A 'Making of' film approx 45mins+ duration
5.1 mixes (48k DTS) of all album tracks with accompanying still images.
Instrumental versions of each album track.
(Album CD & DVD will all be housed in the Art Booklet.)
A free MP3 download available upon release.

Ultimate Edition Box Set:
Approx 30cm x 30cm 180 page Hardback Art & Lyrics Book.
CD of complete album
Double Vinyl edition of complete album (180g Heavy weight vinyl)

Blu-ray containing:
A 'Making of' film approx 45mins+ duration
HighRes 5.1 & Stereo mixes (96k DTS-HD) of all album tracks with accompanying Films.
Instrumental versions of each album track.
(Album CD, Blu-ray & Vinyl will all be housed in the Main Art Book)

A separate Lyric & Chord Booklet
A separate CD of Demos of all album tracks
4x exclusive F E A R decorative plectrums.
A Campaign edition T-Shirt.
A free MP3 download available upon release.

All of the above items in the Ultimate Edition box set will be presented in a Deluxe F E A R box.


Please Note: You can only make changes to your order, via your PledgeMusic account, BEFORE the payment has been processed. If your payment has already been processed and you wish to change or upgrade your order it's easy to do. Sign in to your account at www.pledgemusic.com/pledges and use the links provided to contact the PledgeMusic team who will be happy to make any changes for you.

The Racket Records Team
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: twosuitsluke on June 03, 2016, 08:28:26 AM
First time, ever, listening to this band today. Half way through listening to Misplaced Childhood and got to say it's a VERY impressive first listen. Sure to be giving this plenty more listens  :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on June 03, 2016, 02:41:21 PM
First time, ever, listening to this band today. Half way through listening to Misplaced Childhood and got to say it's a VERY impressive first listen. Sure to be giving this plenty more listens  :tup

Welcome aboard. May I suggest also developing appreciation for Hogarth era as soon as possible (in addition to Fish). We don't want someone who just appreciates 4 years of this great band over the 25+ years that followed.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on June 03, 2016, 02:48:03 PM
First time, ever, listening to this band today. Half way through listening to Misplaced Childhood and got to say it's a VERY impressive first listen. Sure to be giving this plenty more listens  :tup

Welcome aboard. May I suggest also developing appreciation for Hogarth era as soon as possible (in addition to Fish). We don't want someone who just appreciates 4 years of this great band over the 25+ years that followed.

Well to me the Fish era is vastly superiour to the Hogarth era. Let's see how he appreciates the more laid back and minimalistic (to me mostly boring) Hogarth era  :P
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on June 03, 2016, 03:21:51 PM
I'd definitely recommend the following two albums:

- Clutching at Straws: the definining album of the Fish era for me, and one of the most emotional albums that I know.
- Marbles: best album of the Hogarth era by a mile, though you should definitely make sure to listen to the 2-disc version, because of the absolute beast of a track that is Ocean Cloud. The rest is superb too, especially Neverland.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: mike099 on June 03, 2016, 03:30:00 PM
My sample cd from the band came in today and will give it a listen.  Good idea to offer a free cd sampler for folks like myself that have just learned of the band.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on June 03, 2016, 03:41:00 PM
I'd definitely recommend the following two albums:

- Clutching at Straws: the definining album of the Fish era for me, and one of the most emotional albums that I know.
- Marbles: best album of the Hogarth era by a mile, though you should definitely make sure to listen to the 2-disc version, because of the absolute beast of a track that is Ocean Cloud. The rest is superb too, especially Neverland.

oooooh Ocean Cloud. Such a great song.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: KevShmev on June 03, 2016, 07:09:48 PM
This band is still the biggest failure for me ever.  I tried like hell to get into them, trying many songs from many albums, and they never really stuck. I like probably 10-15 songs of theirs (most of which are from Misplaced Childhood and Clutching at Straws), but even those are ones I just kinda like.

Also, the end of Goodbye to All That on Brave that leads into Hard as Love is the biggest tease ever. That last minute is really awesome, easily one of the two coolest things I have ever heard by them (along with the Easter guitar solo), and then it goes into the boring ass Hard as Love. They should have taken that minute and made a whole song out of it.  :facepalm: :censored
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 03, 2016, 09:44:55 PM
I find nothing boring about Hard as Love, considering every time the bridge comes in, I'm in tears.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on June 03, 2016, 10:43:37 PM
I find nothing boring about Hard as Love, considering every time the bridge comes in, I'm in tears.

I agree. It's a really good song. I especially love the background atmosphere the keys give it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on June 04, 2016, 03:01:04 AM
The entire Brave album is one of their greatest achievements. If you don't have goosebumps during The Great Escape, you're not human.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: KevShmev on June 04, 2016, 07:22:08 AM
I guess I am not human, then. :lol :lol

Brave was the one Marillion CD I bought back when I first tried to get into them, and it consistently bored the hell out of me.  And I gave it many chances.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on June 04, 2016, 07:42:12 AM
Of course he's human. He has the ability to reason and his reasoning is that Brave bores him.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 04, 2016, 03:09:52 PM
I'd definitely recommend the following two albums:

- Clutching at Straws: the definining album of the Fish era for me, and one of the most emotional albums that I know.
- Marbles: best album of the Hogarth era by a mile, though you should definitely make sure to listen to the 2-disc version, because of the absolute beast of a track that is Ocean Cloud. The rest is superb too, especially Neverland.

oooooh Ocean Cloud. Such a great song.

I dunno how anyone couldn't love that song. Gutted they left it off the Marbles vinyl.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on June 04, 2016, 03:45:31 PM
I'd definitely recommend the following two albums:

- Clutching at Straws: the definining album of the Fish era for me, and one of the most emotional albums that I know.
- Marbles: best album of the Hogarth era by a mile, though you should definitely make sure to listen to the 2-disc version, because of the absolute beast of a track that is Ocean Cloud. The rest is superb too, especially Neverland.

oooooh Ocean Cloud. Such a great song.

I dunno how anyone couldn't love that song. Gutted they left it off the Marbles vinyl.

Marbles is a pretty killer album, but I think Ocean Cloud could have replaced a couple of other songs on the regular release.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 05, 2016, 09:17:46 AM
Um, SACRILEGE ALERT, but don't build up "Ocean Cloud" too much.  It's a good song, but I can't say it is SOOOOO much better than the rest of Marbles.  "Neverland" is the standout track on that album by any standard.   

I honestly think that "Ocean Cloud" gets the love because it's a) long, and b) because the band built up the mystique by making it exclusive to the deluxe version (which is for the hard core fans primarily, and to my knowledge, not available except from the website). 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on June 05, 2016, 09:18:40 AM
It's not my favourite on the album (that honour belongs, like you said, to Neverland), but the album is definitely better with it on it, and it's a superb song all the same.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on June 05, 2016, 09:42:55 AM
Chiming in to disagree with Stadler.   Ocean Cloud...to me...is amazing.   It's not just because it's long.  It's the musical themes, the story, the melody of the chorus, the riff at the "storm" section....that song just absolutely kills it.   Not only my favorite from Marbles, but the best H-era song period.   In fact, I'd be hard pressed to even find a Fish-era song I like better. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on June 05, 2016, 10:05:40 AM
Um, SACRILEGE ALERT, but don't build up "Ocean Cloud" too much.  It's a good song, but I can't say it is SOOOOO much better than the rest of Marbles.  "Neverland" is the standout track on that album by any standard.   

I honestly think that "Ocean Cloud" gets the love because it's a) long, and b) because the band built up the mystique by making it exclusive to the deluxe version (which is for the hard core fans primarily, and to my knowledge, not available except from the website).

You're expressing opinions so I'm not sure where the sacrilege comes in. It's a great song and that's all I need to know about it. You don't have to build it up if you don't like it, but I'm not sure where you get off telling ME not to build it up. Should I base my listening needs on what you think is worthy?  ;) Maybe you didn't mean it to sound sanctimonious but it does come off as such.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 05, 2016, 06:12:51 PM
Ocean Cloud is awesome, it has nothing to do with it being exclusive. From memory, it was only left off per the band wanting to release Marbles in some territories as a single cd.

I love Neverland as well, but I've found my favorite piece from Marbles remains The Invisible Man.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 05, 2016, 08:18:27 PM
"Neverland" is good but focuses on the majestic without including the ethereality that makes OC so submersive. It sounds tired... it is the end of a double record, after all. Plus, the weird stuttering delay vocal bit in the middle is a lowlight.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 07, 2016, 09:44:24 AM
Um, SACRILEGE ALERT, but don't build up "Ocean Cloud" too much.  It's a good song, but I can't say it is SOOOOO much better than the rest of Marbles.  "Neverland" is the standout track on that album by any standard.   

I honestly think that "Ocean Cloud" gets the love because it's a) long, and b) because the band built up the mystique by making it exclusive to the deluxe version (which is for the hard core fans primarily, and to my knowledge, not available except from the website).

You're expressing opinions so I'm not sure where the sacrilege comes in. It's a great song and that's all I need to know about it. You don't have to build it up if you don't like it, but I'm not sure where you get off telling ME not to build it up. Should I base my listening needs on what you think is worthy?  ;) Maybe you didn't mean it to sound sanctimonious but it does come off as such.

I apologize; I don't mean to be sanctimonious, only to say that anytime someone builds up an entire double album based on one song, it's fraught with peril if the person doesn't jibe with that one song.   And given that I don't jibe with that song, it's possible.  It's not like that song is "Stairway To Heaven" or "Bohemian Rhapsody", beloved by the masses.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on June 07, 2016, 12:41:20 PM
Um, SACRILEGE ALERT, but don't build up "Ocean Cloud" too much.  It's a good song, but I can't say it is SOOOOO much better than the rest of Marbles.  "Neverland" is the standout track on that album by any standard.   

I honestly think that "Ocean Cloud" gets the love because it's a) long, and b) because the band built up the mystique by making it exclusive to the deluxe version (which is for the hard core fans primarily, and to my knowledge, not available except from the website).

You're expressing opinions so I'm not sure where the sacrilege comes in. It's a great song and that's all I need to know about it. You don't have to build it up if you don't like it, but I'm not sure where you get off telling ME not to build it up. Should I base my listening needs on what you think is worthy?  ;) Maybe you didn't mean it to sound sanctimonious but it does come off as such.

I apologize; I don't mean to be sanctimonious, only to say that anytime someone builds up an entire double album based on one song, it's fraught with peril if the person doesn't jibe with that one song.   And given that I don't jibe with that song, it's possible.  It's not like that song is "Stairway To Heaven" or "Bohemian Rhapsody", beloved by the masses.

I understand and I agree that some people are guilty of what you said. I can assure you that I'm not one of them. I agree with your earlier assessment about Neverland being the standout track. In my opinion, Ocean Cloud is the next best song.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 07, 2016, 02:43:28 PM
I actually like the vocal stuttering/repeating/echoing effect on Neverland. It is something different, and unique, and it conveys a type of emotion you don't hear all that often from H or for that matter, many other singers. I actually think if it wasn't there, Neverland wouldn't be as good.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on June 07, 2016, 02:48:21 PM
Marbles is, and probably always will be, my favorite Marillion album. The three epics act as pillars that hold up the beginning, middle and end of the album, and are all VERY strong songs. The "Marbles" tracks tie everything together as a sort of musical glue that reminds us of that theme as we travel through the album. And the rest of the shorter songs are all amazing in their own ways.

Though, if i had to rank those three epics, I'd put Neverland first, then Ocean Cloud, and finally The Invisible Man, but they'd all be VERY close to each other. All three are very emotionally moving and powerful, and I always find myself choking up a little bit when listening to them.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on June 08, 2016, 05:40:06 AM
I'd rank the epics Ocean Cloud, Neverland, The Invisible Man, but I'd intersperse them with the shorter songs. I'm not even sure if Ocean Cloud is #1. I absolutely love Genie and Fantastic Place.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: red barchetta on June 08, 2016, 06:35:18 AM
Of course he's human. He has the ability to reason and his reasoning is that Brave bores him.

Good, then I'm human even if TA really bores me. ;)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: red barchetta on June 08, 2016, 06:38:34 AM
First time, ever, listening to this band today. Half way through listening to Misplaced Childhood and got to say it's a VERY impressive first listen. Sure to be giving this plenty more listens  :tup

Misplaced childhood is a great album from start to finish.  That's almost perfect. Marillion was one of the very few prog band of the 80's at a time when that style was at its lowest popularity probably.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on June 08, 2016, 12:30:28 PM
Of course he's human. He has the ability to reason and his reasoning is that Brave bores him.

Good, then I'm human even if TA really bores me. ;)

Well now you're just being silly.   :lol  ;)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 08, 2016, 12:45:41 PM
I actually like the vocal stuttering/repeating/echoing effect on Neverland. It is something different, and unique, and it conveys a type of emotion you don't hear all that often from H or for that matter, many other singers. I actually think if it wasn't there, Neverland wouldn't be as good.

That MAKES it for me.  I love that part. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 28, 2016, 04:55:06 AM
per the Pledgemusic campaign page, this is apparently the Track Listing.

Quote
We promised to keep you updated on the album progress. So, with that in mind, we are pleased to share our final and confirmed track listing. More news coming soon:)

1. El Dorado (i) Long-Shadowed Sun
2. El Dorado (ii) The Gold
3. El Dorado (iii) Demolished Lives
4. El Dorado (iv) F E A R
5. El Dorado (v) The Grandchildren of Apes
6. Living in F E A R
7. The Leavers (i) Wake Up in Music
8. The Leavers (ii) The Remainers
9. The Leavers (iii) Vapour Trails in the Sky
10. The Leavers (iv) The Jumble of Days
11.   The Leavers (v) One Tonight
12.   White Paper
13.   The New Kings (i) Fuck Everyone and Run
14.   The New Kings (ii) Russia’s Locked Doors
15.   The New Kings (iii) A Scary Sky
16.   The New Kings (iv) Why Is Nothing Ever True?
17.   The Leavers (vi) Tomorrow’s New Country
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: devieira73 on June 28, 2016, 07:06:56 AM
Wow, only 5 songs?! A CD full of Marillion epics?! Cool...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on June 28, 2016, 07:18:03 AM
Interesting that the final part of "The Leavers" is separate from the rest of it. Wonder if it acts as a hidden track?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 06, 2016, 02:28:34 PM
Wow, only 5 songs?! A CD full of Marillion epics?! Cool...

Seriously, this looks more like a Transatlantic tracklisting than a Marillion one. Looks impressive, though I have to wonder how long those multi-part songs will end up being. For all we know, they could only be 15 minutes long...or they could be close to 30!

Interesting that the final part of "The Leavers" is separate from the rest of it. Wonder if it acts as a hidden track?

I've been wondering that, too, but I think it might just be more of a small reprise for the suite, or perhaps, that part of "The Leavers" sounded best to close the album, but they wanted the rest of the suite in the middle of the album? Who knows...

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 06, 2016, 06:15:17 PM
I also wouldn't put it past them to have sequenced it by keys that flow together. Perhaps that part of "The Leavers" perfectly leads into "White Paper" which perfectly leads into the last epic, but there was still the last part of "The Leavers" to go.

Either way I'm sure Marc is correct in saying they thought that last part of "The Leavers" was the right ending for the record. Bit like the "Shine On..." and "In the Presence of Enemies" situations.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 07, 2016, 06:53:28 AM
Apparently,  "The New Kings" has been released and runs at 16:36 long.

I think we're definitely looking at a lengthy album here, folks!  :tup

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on July 07, 2016, 08:28:03 AM
To anyone who pre-ordered through Pledgemusic, check your emails, they sent out The New Kings mp3.

Listening now...pretty classic stuff....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on July 07, 2016, 08:38:46 AM
I'm excited for this.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on July 07, 2016, 08:45:13 AM
And sixteen minutes later, killer fucking tune. I'm sure it's up on YT by now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on July 07, 2016, 10:00:43 AM
Awww man, fucking Rothery's guitars at  the end........right in the feels bro...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on July 07, 2016, 10:22:27 AM
Okay, now I have to find this song.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 07, 2016, 12:25:44 PM
NEW KINGS!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 08, 2016, 04:55:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xiwtl-ljUI0
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on July 08, 2016, 05:25:26 AM
I forgot to mention this. The other day my Facebook status was a Marillion song quote and the official Marillion Facebook page liked it.  :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: devieira73 on July 08, 2016, 06:19:18 AM
From Google Play pre-order:

1
El Dorado (i) Long-Shadowed Sun
1:26
Album only
2
El Dorado (ii) the Gold
6:12
Album only
3
El Dorado (iii) Demolished Lives
2:23
Album only
4
El Dorado (iv) F E A R
4:07
Album only
5
El Dorado (v) the Grandchildren of Apes
2:35
Album only
6
Living in F E A R
6:25
Album only
7
The Leavers (i) Wake up in Music
4:27
Album only
8
The Leavers (ii) the Remainers
1:34
Album only
9
The Leavers (iii) Vapour Trails in the Sky
4:49
Album only
10
The Leavers (iv) the Jumble of Days
4:20
Album only
11
The Leavers (v) One Tonight
3:56
Album only
12
White Paper
7:18
Album only
13
The New Kings (i) Fuck Everyone and Run
4:22
Album only
14
The New Kings (ii) Russia's Locked Doors
6:24
Album only
15
The New Kings (iii) a Scary Sky
2:33
Album only
16
The New Kings (iv) Why Is Nothing Ever True?
3:24
Album only
17
Tomorrow's New Country
1:47
Album only
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 08, 2016, 07:10:43 AM
El Dorado 16:43
Living In FEAR 6:25
The Leavers (I-V) 19:06
White Paper 7:18
The New Kings 16:43
Tomorrow's New Country 1:47
Total- 68:02

Some quick math...and wow. An album of epics and 2 shorter songs. This might be pretty impressive. Their long form pieces do tend to be some of my favorites (as evidenced by their stellar performances of them on their Marillion Weekend release Size Matters).

I wonder if part VI of "The Leavers" will be performed with the rest of it when done live?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 08, 2016, 08:19:02 AM
I forgot to mention this. The other day my Facebook status was a Marillion song quote and the official Marillion Facebook page liked it.  :metal
I can apparently top that now  :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on July 08, 2016, 09:59:26 AM
The New Kings is actually 16:43, not 17:03. So with El Dorado and The New Kings we have two epics of exactly the same length.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 08, 2016, 11:03:37 AM
The New Kings is actually 16:43, not 17:03. So with El Dorado and The New Kings we have two epics of exactly the same length.


You're right. I can't do math right when I wake up lol

And I'm sure the similar track lengths were planned.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on July 08, 2016, 11:27:24 AM
I forgot to mention this. The other day my Facebook status was a Marillion song quote and the official Marillion Facebook page liked it.  :metal
I can apparently top that now  :lol

Seriously. Keep trying, Jeremy.  :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 08, 2016, 11:36:57 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 08, 2016, 11:43:20 AM
That was amazing.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Postwhore on July 08, 2016, 11:44:14 AM
 :lol


It sure was.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 08, 2016, 11:49:23 AM
Now I'm kind of excited to check out their new music lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on July 08, 2016, 12:02:59 PM
When I first started listening to them, a friend of mine, who is a huge Marillion fan, told me I'd probably like Season's End. Coincidentally, that album has Easter on it. I still consider it one of my favorite Marillion albums.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on July 08, 2016, 04:25:51 PM
I think we need a screenshot for those not involved. I posted that I was excited to be listening to new Marillion on FB, and Hef came in and we harmlessly bantered back and forth as we usually do. Then Marillion decided to give Hef a bit of life direction....

(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/13649471_959107154187392_199742126_n.png?oh=0cb2e20b7faff0527421ed669f716845&oe=5782B787)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 08, 2016, 05:36:01 PM
 :lol

Whoa, indeed.

Back when I discovered Transatlantic (after Dream Theater), I decided to check out the other 3 parent-bands Transatlantic's members came from. Spock's Beard came to me easily, as did nearly all of Neal's music up to that time (around 2005 when I discovered them). The Flower Kings came next, not long after, and I quickly lapped up all they had available, anxiously awaiting their next outing (which was Paradox Hotel, an album I didn't quite get into at release, but is now a top 3 TFK album for me). And then there was Marillion.

After SB and TFK, I wasn't really getting into Marillion myself, neither Fish or H era stuff, and I tried. Hard. A lot. Several times. I bought a few of their albums, spun others online, and nothing clicked with me. It wasn't until after Happiness Is The Road that I started to really get into them. Marbles clicked, then so did Season's End and Brave, and slowly but surely, the other albums started sounding good to me. I was getting into them, even Fish era stuff, while dated, started sounding good too.

I think Marillion is a fairly dense band, by that, I mean they've got a sound that is hard to get into, unless you're already opened up to it, or something like it. It's hard to pin down what they sound LIKE, other than themselves, but for whatever reason, their unique sound kind of makes a barrier for a lot of new fans.

I went through a phase of buying up a TON of Marillion stuff, from studio albums, to going on eBay to buy out-of-print Racket Record exclusives (like older Marillion Weekend shows on DVD and CD, or making-of albums, or other random live shows). I spent more money than I care to account on getting a lot of Marillion albums, and I was totally in love with the band and their sound. I missed out on the crowd-funding for HITR, but when Sounds That Can't Be Made came up, I pledged and eagerly awaited the album. I got the gorgeous book-cased CD with a wonderful chipboard slipcover. It's an amazing addition to my collection.

Unfortunately, I missed out on the pre-order campaign for FEAR, and will have to resort to the retail edition. I have to say, though, in the years since STCBM, I've died down on my love for Marillion. Still a great band, yes, but I'm not AS obsessed as I was before. I haven't scoured their Racket Records shop for new Marillion Weekend shows or live albums, and I haven't really listened to them all that much in the last couple of years (I blame Haken and Big Big Train for being the "newer" bands in my life that I have obsessed over).

TL;DR - I can completely resonate with the feel that Marillion is just too hard to get into, so don't feel bad and don't feel pressured to get into them. If you try again in a few years, you may find yourself liking them as I did.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on July 08, 2016, 07:13:07 PM
I've listened to pretty much every Marillion album and still can hardly get into their stuff. I mean, I love the hell out of Ocean Cloud, and there's three songs on Sounds That Can't Be Made I like, but a lot of it just does not click for me at all.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on July 09, 2016, 04:22:22 AM
I like all Marillion eras, but I definitely prefer the more guitar-driven pre-Marbles albums. That said, I'm really enjoying The New Kings - that solo by Rothery and part IV = :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 09, 2016, 08:20:50 AM
I've listened to pretty much every Marillion album and still can hardly get into their stuff. I mean, I love the hell out of Ocean Cloud, and there's three songs on Sounds That Can't Be Made I like, but a lot of it just does not click for me at all.

This was my exact situation. However, once "Gaza" and "Montreal" made an impression on me, I started listening to STCBM in full and I find the whole thing very consistently impressive now. Then I went back to the full Marbles double disc, and I find that whole thing fairly consistent too. I can't say the same for marillion.com beyond the last two tracks yet, but otherwise this has simply been an exercise in patience more than it was for other prog bands. Now the patience is paying off.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 11, 2016, 09:05:10 AM
Am I the only one that doesn't give a flying f*** about the song lengths?  Some people here are like "16 minutes!  Woo hoo!" and yet... what does it matter?    Heart of Lothian is my favorite Marillion song.  4:08.  Cinderella Search, top five song.  5:46.
After Me, top ten song.  3:20.  Gaza?  BO-RING!

Good music is good music, regardless of length. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on July 11, 2016, 09:12:31 AM
I agree with your overall point, but Gaza is fucking amazing.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on July 11, 2016, 09:24:46 AM
Lengths matter hugely. It gives us perspective on the album and its structure. Everyone knows that most of the greatest prog songs are epics; you can't deny that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on July 11, 2016, 10:27:32 AM
Am I the only one that doesn't give a flying f*** about the song lengths?  Some people here are like "16 minutes!  Woo hoo!" and yet... what does it matter?    Heart of Lothian is my favorite Marillion song.  4:08.  Cinderella Search, top five song.  5:46.
After Me, top ten song.  3:20.  Gaza?  BO-RING!

Good music is good music, regardless of length.

+1

Same for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 11, 2016, 11:43:42 AM
Lengths matter hugely. It gives us perspective on the album and its structure. Everyone knows that most of the greatest prog songs are epics; you can't deny that.

Eh.   No.   I wrote a bit about the "ten best prog bands" and how their greatest songs are largely less than 8:00 and then lost it, so there you go.  But I think length is HUGELY over-rated.

In song length.  ;)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 11, 2016, 02:15:05 PM
Lengths matter hugely. It gives us perspective on the album and its structure. Everyone knows that most of the greatest prog songs are epics; you can't deny that.

In prog, absolutely. If you're supposed to be prog-whatever and you can't write a good epic, something's gone awry.

Most other genres, it's irrelevant.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on July 11, 2016, 03:02:42 PM
I have a theory why bands (such as Marillion on their new album) make epics run across several tracks nowadays. You can buy individual tracks off albums. Say the price was 99p per track, regardless of length. So a 23-minute song would cost the same to download individually as a 4-minute song. Whereas if the 23-minute song was split across four tracks, it would cost £3.96 if you wanted that song. Perhaps a better reflection of the more significant chunk of the album that the epic takes up.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Scorpion on July 11, 2016, 03:27:38 PM
That's plausible. I haven't thought about it a lot, except that it kinda annoys me because I do a lot of my listening to music on shuffle, so I'll probably just end up putting all the parts into one song so that that works out.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 11, 2016, 04:03:47 PM
I have a theory why bands (such as Marillion on their new album) make epics run across several tracks nowadays. You can buy individual tracks off albums. Say the price was 99p per track, regardless of length. So a 23-minute song would cost the same to download individually as a 4-minute song. Whereas if the 23-minute song was split across four tracks, it would cost £3.96 if you wanted that song. Perhaps a better reflection of the more significant chunk of the album that the epic takes up.

Not really. Most websites, like Amazon, will not put longer tracks up for individual sale. They'll say "Album Only", which means you'd have to buy the WHOLE album to get those longer tracks. I've seen some prog albums with lengthy tracks and one or two shorter songs, and only THOSE one or two tracks will be available for purchase as single mp3s!!!

So I don't think dividing the epics up is a monetary decision. Splitting them up hardly makes sense digitally anyway since they'll flow and segue into each other, so what happens if you don't buy the whole album? You end up with parts of a song that don't have their next parts, or some other stupid reason. Epics, with movements, should be single tracks, IMO, when in digital stores. It makes the most sense musically, and doesn't ruin the integrity of the piece by dicing it up.

As for whether or not length matters, I'd say so for the case of Marillion. When I ran the Marillion Survivor 5 years ago, a lot of the band's longer tracks were in the top 1 or 2 spots for their respective albums:
"This Strange Engine" placed 1st on its album (the longest track on the album)
"A Few Words For The Dead" placed 1st on the album Radiation (the longest track on the album)
"Interior Lulu" and "House" placed 1st and 2nd respectively on the album marillion.com (both over 10 minutes long)
"Quartz", "This Is The 21st Century" and "If My Heart Were A Ball" were the top 3 from Anoraknophobia (all over 9 minutes long)
"Neverland", "The Invisible Man" and "Ocean Cloud" were the top 3 from Marbles (all over 12 minutes long)
"Somewhere Else" placed 1st on its album (the longest track on the album)
"Happiness Is The Road" placed 1st on Volume 1 of the 2-part album (the longest track of Volume 1)
"Grendel" placed 1st among the band's Fish-Era B-Sides

So yeah, even here, Marillion fans look forward to the band's epics. They're sprawling musical canvases painted with strong emotional strokes of instrumental skill. While their epics might not ALWAYS be what *some* fans enjoy, for many, they're highlights to an album, sometimes the epic opener or closer, or at very least, the centerpiece. In the case of Marbles, the epics were ALL THREE.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 11, 2016, 07:20:26 PM
I have a theory why bands (such as Marillion on their new album) make epics run across several tracks nowadays. You can buy individual tracks off albums. Say the price was 99p per track, regardless of length. So a 23-minute song would cost the same to download individually as a 4-minute song. Whereas if the 23-minute song was split across four tracks, it would cost £3.96 if you wanted that song. Perhaps a better reflection of the more significant chunk of the album that the epic takes up.

Not really. Most websites, like Amazon, will not put longer tracks up for individual sale. They'll say "Album Only", which means you'd have to buy the WHOLE album to get those longer tracks. I've seen some prog albums with lengthy tracks and one or two shorter songs, and only THOSE one or two tracks will be available for purchase as single mp3s!!!

So I don't think dividing the epics up is a monetary decision. Splitting them up hardly makes sense digitally anyway since they'll flow and segue into each other, so what happens if you don't buy the whole album? You end up with parts of a song that don't have their next parts, or some other stupid reason. Epics, with movements, should be single tracks, IMO, when in digital stores. It makes the most sense musically, and doesn't ruin the integrity of the piece by dicing it up.

As for whether or not length matters, I'd say so for the case of Marillion. When I ran the Marillion Survivor 5 years ago, a lot of the band's longer tracks were in the top 1 or 2 spots for their respective albums:
"This Strange Engine" placed 1st on its album (the longest track on the album)
"A Few Words For The Dead" placed 1st on the album Radiation (the longest track on the album)
"Interior Lulu" and "House" placed 1st and 2nd respectively on the album marillion.com (both over 10 minutes long)
"Quartz", "This Is The 21st Century" and "If My Heart Were A Ball" were the top 3 from Anoraknophobia (all over 9 minutes long)
"Neverland", "The Invisible Man" and "Ocean Cloud" were the top 3 from Marbles (all over 12 minutes long)
"Somewhere Else" placed 1st on its album (the longest track on the album)
"Happiness Is The Road" placed 1st on Volume 1 of the 2-part album (the longest track of Volume 1)
"Grendel" placed 1st among the band's Fish-Era B-Sides

So yeah, even here, Marillion fans look forward to the band's epics. They're sprawling musical canvases painted with strong emotional strokes of instrumental skill. While their epics might not ALWAYS be what *some* fans enjoy, for many, they're highlights to an album, sometimes the epic opener or closer, or at very least, the centerpiece. In the case of Marbles, the epics were ALL THREE.

-Marc.

Not sure how to say this without sounding more dick-like than I mean to, but it's sort of a self-fulfilling prophesy, the pointing to the 20 people that valye length and saying "yeah, fans value length". 

For me - a Marillion fan since '85; I bought Misplaced Childhood upon release - NONE of the epics are in my top ten, except for Neverland, and let's be honest, there's a full minute, minute and a half at the end that is non-essential. 

Top five albums (Best song):
Clutching at Straws (Slainthe Mhathe 4:44)
Brave (Lap of Luxury, listed at 8:13, but it's two songs together)
Misplaced Childhood (Heart of Lothian 4:08)
Afraid of Sunlight (Afraid of Sunlight 6:49)
Marbles (Neverland 12:10)

Best b-sides:
Cinderella Search (5:32)
Tux On (5:13)
Lady Nina (5:50)


I know "best" is "taste", but one man's "sprawling musical canvas painted with strong emotional strokes of instrumental skill" are another man's bloated incoherent ramblings.  Marillion is best when concise and direct and to the point.  Musical assassins, so to speak. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on July 11, 2016, 07:54:50 PM
Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.

Just because I, or anyone else, enjoy the band's epics/longer songs a lot doesn't mean I dislike/hate their shorter songs, either. And I think it speaks to the band's strengths as musicians and writers that ALL of their music, be it their shorter songs or their longer epics, can be liked by their fans.

If all of their fans enjoyed JUST the epics, then we can't really say that the band is good at writing anything BUT those types of songs. Conversely, if a band wrote really great shorter songs, but their epics weren't liked by ANYONE, then we'd have to say that their epics weren't really that great. But since, at least here, we've got fans who like both by the same band, it just seems to me that they've got strengths in BOTH categories, and that's pretty prog of them right there. They can throw all of their really great hooks and musical chops into a 4-6 minute piece, while keeping it concise, or they can spread it would, create some atmospheric stuff and really stretch out an idea and still keep it interesting too.

Either way, a band like Marillion has always had a "YMMV" vibe, so it's nice to see a lot of varying opinions regarding their music. It'd be pretty boring of them if EVERYONE liked the same songs, wouldn't it?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on July 12, 2016, 12:58:32 AM
Splitting them up hardly makes sense digitally anyway since they'll flow and segue into each other, so what happens if you don't buy the whole album? You end up with parts of a song that don't have their next parts, or some other stupid reason. Epics, with movements, should be single tracks, IMO, when in digital stores. It makes the most sense musically, and doesn't ruin the integrity of the piece by dicing it up.

I agree. When I see an epic that's split up, I have to consciously force myself to recognize it as one piece. It doesn't come as naturally as seeing it as one track. And the "pick your favourite section" argument is irrelevant. You either go on the whole journey of the song, or don't.


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As for whether or not length matters, I'd say so for the case of Marillion. When I ran the Marillion Survivor 5 years ago, a lot of the band's longer tracks were in the top 1 or 2 spots for their respective albums:
"This Strange Engine" placed 1st on its album (the longest track on the album)
"A Few Words For The Dead" placed 1st on the album Radiation (the longest track on the album)
"Interior Lulu" and "House" placed 1st and 2nd respectively on the album marillion.com (both over 10 minutes long)
"Quartz", "This Is The 21st Century" and "If My Heart Were A Ball" were the top 3 from Anoraknophobia (all over 9 minutes long)
"Neverland", "The Invisible Man" and "Ocean Cloud" were the top 3 from Marbles (all over 12 minutes long)
"Somewhere Else" placed 1st on its album (the longest track on the album)
"Happiness Is The Road" placed 1st on Volume 1 of the 2-part album (the longest track of Volume 1)
"Grendel" placed 1st among the band's Fish-Era B-Sides

So yeah, even here, Marillion fans look forward to the band's epics. They're sprawling musical canvases painted with strong emotional strokes of instrumental skill. While their epics might not ALWAYS be what *some* fans enjoy, for many, they're highlights to an album, sometimes the epic opener or closer, or at very least, the centerpiece. In the case of Marbles, the epics were ALL THREE.

-Marc.

Boom. Proof. Of course there are going to be those who disagree, but even they can't deny that, to MANY prog fans, the epics are the most anticipated, and in many cases end up being the favourite song of MANY prog fans.

And bringing it back to Marbles, the three epics there are perfectly placed at the beginning, middle (near enough) and end of the album. The three pillars on which the rest of the album, well, rests.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on July 12, 2016, 05:44:44 AM
Not sure how to say this without sounding more dick-like than I mean to, but it's sort of a self-fulfilling prophesy, the pointing to the 20 people that valye length and saying "yeah, fans value length". 

For me - a Marillion fan since '85; I bought Misplaced Childhood upon release - NONE of the epics are in my top ten, except for Neverland, and let's be honest, there's a full minute, minute and a half at the end that is non-essential. 

Top five albums (Best song):
Clutching at Straws (Slainthe Mhathe 4:44)
Brave (Lap of Luxury, listed at 8:13, but it's two songs together)
Misplaced Childhood (Heart of Lothian 4:08)
Afraid of Sunlight (Afraid of Sunlight 6:49)
Marbles (Neverland 12:10)

Best b-sides:
Cinderella Search (5:32)
Tux On (5:13)
Lady Nina (5:50)


I know "best" is "taste", but one man's "sprawling musical canvas painted with strong emotional strokes of instrumental skill" are another man's bloated incoherent ramblings.  Marillion is best when concise and direct and to the point.  Musical assassins, so to speak. 

All of that is just an opinion, no more or no less provable than Letter M's. The fact is that many prog fans do tend to love the epic, 10+ minute pieces that a band writes. Prog fans, more than fans of most other types of music, are open to longer pieces of music.  That doesn't mean they are against shorter songs. Saying that "Marillion is best when concise and direct and to the point" is just an opinion. Many fans would disagree. Neither are more right than the other because what we enjoy is relative. However, many prog fans do like their epics and that isn't something that should be neglected because you, or someone else, thinks the shorter songs are better. For the record, saying that 20 people value length as some kind of argument to prove your point is completely inaccurate.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 12, 2016, 08:04:21 AM
All of that is just an opinion, no more or no less provable than Letter M's. The fact is that many prog fans do tend to love the epic, 10+ minute pieces that a band writes. Prog fans, more than fans of most other types of music, are open to longer pieces of music.  That doesn't mean they are against shorter songs. Saying that "Marillion is best when concise and direct and to the point" is just an opinion. Many fans would disagree. Neither are more right than the other because what we enjoy is relative. However, many prog fans do like their epics and that isn't something that should be neglected because you, or someone else, thinks the shorter songs are better. For the record, saying that 20 people value length as some kind of argument to prove your point is completely inaccurate.

Of course you're right.  No question and no argument.  But I'm responding in kind to things like "Boom. Proof.".   It's not proof.   And while I agree that it is opinion, I don't at all agree that "MANY" qualifies.   And finally, even if I'm wrong on all that - which I may well be - the REAL point is that the TIME ITSELF isn't what makes it great.   There's no way, subjectively or objectively to look at a song, unheard, see the length, and say "CLASSIC!".  Which is what a lot of this sounds like.   

At the end, though, to each their own.   But I'd much rather sit through four-and-three-quarters plays of "Heart of Lothian" than one play of "Grendel's Ready", or five plays of "After Me" than one of "Gaza" (though "Neverland" makes my top five Marillion song list). 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 12, 2016, 08:09:38 AM
On a more positive note, do we know what Marillion studio albums have been released in 5.1? 

I think Radiation (2013) and Sounds That Can't Be Made are the only two.  Anyone know different?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on July 12, 2016, 10:18:33 AM
And finally, even if I'm wrong on all that - which I may well be - the REAL point is that the TIME ITSELF isn't what makes it great.   There's no way, subjectively or objectively to look at a song, unheard, see the length, and say "CLASSIC!".  Which is what a lot of this sounds like.

 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:  Of course not! I never even said that! But the long songs have such a good track record of being great pieces of music that some/many/most (delete as applicable) fans mentally highlight those tracks as ones to listen out for.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 12, 2016, 12:28:50 PM
And finally, even if I'm wrong on all that - which I may well be - the REAL point is that the TIME ITSELF isn't what makes it great.   There's no way, subjectively or objectively to look at a song, unheard, see the length, and say "CLASSIC!".  Which is what a lot of this sounds like.

 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:  Of course not! I never even said that! But the long songs have such a good track record of being great pieces of music that some/many/most (delete as applicable) fans mentally highlight those tracks as ones to listen out for.

Hey, look, at the end of the say, we're both talking about a band we both love (I mean, I do, and I'm assuming you do too) so it's all good.  Friendly arguing so to speak.   All I'm saying is that for me it's not the case.  I don't love Grendel as a lot of other early fans do, I think This Strange Engine BLOWS hard - I literally stopped listening to the band after this album, and only came back after I caught snippets of Marbles - and am not enamored with the longer songs on marillion.com, so for me it is at best meaningless information for me until I can hear the song itself. 

We're all good. I don't begrudge you your optimism.  :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on July 12, 2016, 12:54:04 PM
All of that is just an opinion, no more or no less provable than Letter M's. The fact is that many prog fans do tend to love the epic, 10+ minute pieces that a band writes. Prog fans, more than fans of most other types of music, are open to longer pieces of music.  That doesn't mean they are against shorter songs. Saying that "Marillion is best when concise and direct and to the point" is just an opinion. Many fans would disagree. Neither are more right than the other because what we enjoy is relative. However, many prog fans do like their epics and that isn't something that should be neglected because you, or someone else, thinks the shorter songs are better. For the record, saying that 20 people value length as some kind of argument to prove your point is completely inaccurate.

Of course you're right.  No question and no argument.  But I'm responding in kind to things like "Boom. Proof.".   It's not proof.   And while I agree that it is opinion, I don't at all agree that "MANY" qualifies.   And finally, even if I'm wrong on all that - which I may well be - the REAL point is that the TIME ITSELF isn't what makes it great.   There's no way, subjectively or objectively to look at a song, unheard, see the length, and say "CLASSIC!".  Which is what a lot of this sounds like.   

At the end, though, to each their own.   But I'd much rather sit through four-and-three-quarters plays of "Heart of Lothian" than one play of "Grendel's Ready", or five plays of "After Me" than one of "Gaza" (though "Neverland" makes my top five Marillion song list).

I was agreeing with you until that last sentence in the first paragraph. I'm not sure who said that here. Maybe I missed it or maybe you're just speaking in general about how some fans are. I don't doubt that there are a select few out there who just see a song's length and judge it based on that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on September 02, 2016, 12:26:24 PM
US Tour dates up!:

https://marillion.com/tour

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on September 02, 2016, 12:28:04 PM
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Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 02, 2016, 12:56:25 PM
hoping to see dates for Next Spring soon (I'm unlikely to make a show this fall unfortunately).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 04, 2016, 12:32:38 PM
This band is still the biggest failure for me ever.  I tried like hell to get into them, trying many songs from many albums, and they never really stuck. I like probably 10-15 songs of theirs (most of which are from Misplaced Childhood and Clutching at Straws), but even those are ones I just kinda like.

Also, the end of Goodbye to All That on Brave that leads into Hard as Love is the biggest tease ever. That last minute is really awesome, easily one of the two coolest things I have ever heard by them (along with the Easter guitar solo), and then it goes into the boring ass Hard as Love. They should have taken that minute and made a whole song out of it.  :facepalm: :censored


Well admittedly, that whole Brave album is my cure for insomnia. I've pretty much determined that it's my least favorite Marillion album ever (With Afraid of Sunlight and Less is More not far behind...)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 04, 2016, 12:38:57 PM
Um, SACRILEGE ALERT, but don't build up "Ocean Cloud" too much.  It's a good song, but I can't say it is SOOOOO much better than the rest of Marbles.  "Neverland" is the standout track on that album by any standard.   

I honestly think that "Ocean Cloud" gets the love because it's a) long, and b) because the band built up the mystique by making it exclusive to the deluxe version (which is for the hard core fans primarily, and to my knowledge, not available except from the website).

Ocean Cloud is OK but Neverland is RIDICULOUS live.

Can't say I listen to the studio version of Marbles much having been pretty much married to the official bootleg from the TLA in Philly on that tour (Of course being there probably helped.) but that's probably one of my favorite Hogarth albums along with Seasons End, This Strange Engine and Radiation.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 04, 2016, 12:42:10 PM
First time, ever, listening to this band today. Half way through listening to Misplaced Childhood and got to say it's a VERY impressive first listen. Sure to be giving this plenty more listens  :tup

Misplaced childhood is a great album from start to finish.  That's almost perfect. Marillion was one of the very few prog band of the 80's at a time when that style was at its lowest popularity probably.

Yet, they were selling out stadiums in Europe. Sadly, they were still playing clubs in the US.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 04, 2016, 12:50:00 PM
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These went on sale last December (about 10 months before show time), but we finally decided to pull the trigger on a show this weekend before the album release causes another spike in ticket sales. I didn't think the Keswick was going to sell out, but it's almost there because they don't appear to be selling balcony seats.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 22, 2016, 10:13:17 PM
Just got my download link for FEAR.... game on suckahs!!!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on September 23, 2016, 03:22:48 AM
Considering a brand new album by one of prog's biggest bands is out today, this thread should be more active than it is right now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on September 23, 2016, 05:24:25 AM
Indeed it should be. I'm sure once people hear it there will be more discussion about it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on September 23, 2016, 07:24:53 PM
Loving this album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 23, 2016, 08:33:24 PM
Agreed, they fucking hit it out of the park on this one. Eldorado and White Paper are early favorites, but that of course could change.


Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Hypnotoad on September 24, 2016, 02:51:13 AM
Incredible album. I'm stunned how good this is. Spent all day listening to it yesterday and I think this is giving me the same feeling I had with Hand.Cannot.Erase. I'm listening to a landmark album and a modern classic.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Postwhore on September 24, 2016, 07:42:39 AM
Agreed, they fucking hit it out of the park on this one. Eldorado and White Paper are early favorites, but that of course could change.

I need to pick it up right now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on September 24, 2016, 08:26:31 AM
Marillion are great at album closers. Fugazi, King, A Few Words for the Dead, Neverland, to name just a few. Admittedly, Made Again isn't one of those great closers. They should have just ended Brave with Great Escape, imho.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on September 30, 2016, 07:40:00 AM
After a few listens it's safe to say that this is Marillion's best album since Anoraknophobia (to me) :tup The Leavers and White Paper are my early favorites, though The New Kings still sounds great after a couple of months. Also, the pictures in the extended booklet of the special edition look gorgeous.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on September 30, 2016, 07:54:38 AM
It's on Spotify so I just started listening.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on September 30, 2016, 11:05:35 AM
Good news everyone! F.E.A.R has charted at No. 4 in the UK, their first top 5 album in 29 years, since Clutching at Straws!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on September 30, 2016, 11:47:18 AM
This is an amazing album. I'm listening to it a second time. The melodies are beautiful and endearing. This is going to be better than Sounds That Can't Be Made.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on September 30, 2016, 12:15:36 PM
Just got the campaign deluxe edition. Absolutely beautiful and stunning.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 30, 2016, 12:43:51 PM
Listening now. So far so good. :smiley:

I am really impressed by the scope of this album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 30, 2016, 12:55:41 PM
going to the 2nd Chicago show! ticket and airfare acquired.

I just need to work more on the Hotel/Hostel situation.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 02, 2016, 10:57:30 AM
It's a grower. Very solid.  Living In Fear really stands out for me so far. Can't wait to experience that live if they decide to play it. I like The Leavers a lot too.

Would have been nice to hear more Rothery, but after his gift of a solo album I won't hold it against him. He is still doing some interesting things though.

I was hoping to get a chance to pop in the DVD this weekend. Maybe I'll still have time.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on October 05, 2016, 12:19:35 PM
It's a grower. Very solid.  Living In Fear really stands out for me so far.

Yes. Makes me wish I could get to see them live. It's not in the cards though...

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on October 06, 2016, 02:28:44 PM
Played the newie for the first time today and enjoyed it. I'm really just a Fish era fan but I found this a nice relaxing listen and Hogarth isn't too cringey . Going to have to try some of the more recent stuff if it's anything like this
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 12, 2016, 04:18:20 PM
Played the newie for the first time today and enjoyed it. I'm really just a Fish era fan but I found this a nice relaxing listen and Hogarth isn't too cringey . Going to have to try some of the more recent stuff if it's anything like this

Last few Fish albums have been among his best ever.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 13, 2016, 01:01:04 AM
^ correct. 'A Feast of Consequences'  is an amazing album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 15, 2016, 10:42:05 AM
^ correct. 'A Feast of Consequences'  is an amazing album.

Actually pulling that one off of the shelf right now.....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 20, 2016, 10:31:13 PM
Less than 24 hours till showtime :caffeine:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on October 20, 2016, 11:14:33 PM
 :metal

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Postwhore on October 21, 2016, 06:52:44 AM
Awe man RJ! :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 21, 2016, 07:12:31 PM
In line......  :RJ:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 22, 2016, 01:00:22 AM
You guys are in for a real, treat, the new songs are amazing live.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 22, 2016, 01:50:39 PM
You guys are in for a real, treat, the new songs are amazing live.

There was never any doubt of that.

Are they playing more than one or two new ones?

 I haven't decided if I want to know the whole set or not although it probably won't make any difference one way or the other.

I may just spring for my first non-Rush concert shirt in years.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 22, 2016, 07:09:55 PM
Our set had three new ones, two of them epics. There was one significant thing about the set.... They didn't play a single song from before 1995
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 29, 2016, 03:44:18 PM
Our set had three new ones, two of them epics. There was one significant thing about the set.... They didn't play a single song from before 1995

I have no problem with that. That means there are no Brave tunes so I'll be digging it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 31, 2016, 09:42:47 PM
Blasphemy....Brave is my favorite H album....


Seems they've been shaking up the setlist some as the tour progresses, but the three tracks of FEAR are in every show.


Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on November 01, 2016, 05:43:10 AM
Brave is awesome and easily one of my favorite H albums.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 05, 2016, 10:55:20 AM
Blasphemy....Brave is my favorite H album....


Seems they've been shaking up the setlist some as the tour progresses, but the three tracks of FEAR are in every show.

My condolences....

Would have been stoked to hear more of FEAR, but I can't complain to loudly about the set. Won't be long now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on November 05, 2016, 10:06:03 PM
At one of the Canadian shows, they did almost the whole first side of Misplaced Childhood for an encore. That would've been impressive to see.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on November 07, 2016, 06:52:05 AM
Just saw them in Philly.

WOW.

[SPOILER ALERT]
Full disclosure, I'm a Fish guy (got into Marillion with the original release of Misplaced Childhood; Clutching is one of my five favorite records of all time by any band), but I saw them on the Seasons... and Holidays... tour, loved it, and thing everything up through Afraid... is excellent (except Holidays...) and love Marbles; not 1000% convinced on the material since Marbles. 

Hogarth was in EXCELLENT voice.  This was the third night of three in a row, and yet his voice only cracked once, and in the end (during Easter).  Sometimes he can wear thin with me (he's a little judgmental, in my opinion, and in a sanctimonious way) but I do like when he gets personal.

The setlist, while not my favorite Marillion songs, fit BEAUTIFULLY.  I think Rothery made it, because about every song had a blazing guitar solo, and he was generally on fire.  If you stuck a broom up H's ass, he would have swept the stage, because he sure as heck did everything else; played more guitar than I have ever seen (even in videos), played keys on easily half of the songs (Mark Kelly did ok, but it wasn't like watching Rick Wakeman, that's for damn sure). 

Not shy to admit I was standing there (against the wall, about 20 rows back) and during the end of Neverland, I had tears running down my face, only the second time ever in a concert (and I've seen about 400 shows; the other was "Yesterday", by McCartney in 2012).

The new stuff fit seamlessly; it was really good compared to the rest of the set.  Really great ending, with "Three Minute Boy" (not my favorite song by a long shot) but H led the crowd in a really neat singalong at the end; it wasn't a loud chant, it was more like a low buzz, and it was neat; something I've never seen before.

I drove four hours in the morning, and four more after the show (getting home at about 3:30 am) and it was all worth it.  Really good show.   Highlight for me was clearly King, Neverland, and Sugar Mice (which I've never seen live, though H kept sticking the mic into the crowd for the crowd to sing, which I hate hate hate), but all in all great.

Sidebar: I parked literally right next to the bus, and followed Mark to the venue about 6:30 or so, and (politely, I think) stopped and shook his hand (though he was befuddled; I think he thought I was claiming to know him, and I wasn't; I just said "thank you".)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on November 07, 2016, 10:40:06 AM
Nice man, they were surely in top form when I saw them as well. H has developed into an outstanding frontman, he had thee crowd in the palm of his hands beginning to end.

King was fucking brilliant, Otherwise, my faves were Invisible Man and El Dorado (god they hit that one out of the park).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on November 07, 2016, 11:15:46 AM
H is a good front man, actually very good (his voice is really deceptively strong and versatile) but there's something about him.  It's not pretention, per se, but he's got a crankiness that isn't quite as endearing as some of the other cranky singers we can name (his predecessor for one). 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on November 07, 2016, 03:07:50 PM
H is a good front man, actually very good (his voice is really deceptively strong and versatile) but there's something about him.  It's not pretention, per se, but he's got a crankiness that isn't quite as endearing as some of the other cranky singers we can name (his predecessor for one).

I think H has always somewhat resented the fact that Marillion never reached the same heights commercially as they did with Fish.  In seeing how much he rails against the idea of the rich, decadent rock star in a lot of their music, I think it was motivated at least in part by a little bit of jealousy.  Not an all consuming thing, mind you, but just enough that he can then rage against it with some sense of legitmacy, if that makes sense.  I also think that makes him a great frontman.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 08, 2016, 01:17:47 AM
Well, its hard to compete with the big personality that Fish was/is.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on November 08, 2016, 05:52:01 AM
NYC TONIGHT! ELECTION NIGHT IN THE CITY WITH MARILLION!!! :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on November 08, 2016, 07:00:48 AM
After well over 30 years in the business, and if life were fair, Marillion should be frequently mentioned in the company of The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and Pink Floyd as one of the greatest bands my country has produced.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on November 08, 2016, 09:06:44 AM
No offense, as I've said, Marillion fan from way back, but life IS fair.  It's the way it should be.   As good a song as it is, seventeen minute bitter diatribes about those who have more money than us are a limited avenue, and six minute bitter diatribes about people who do get the hit song, a song we pretentiously "almost remember" are hard not to take as sour grapes.   Honestly, the music that is popular is the music that SHOULD be popular.   Look, their music REALLY works for me - I cried like a baby watching H perform "Neverland" because it SO hit a nerve with me in my life when it came out - but it's not for everyone, and that's okay.  It's almost better that way.   

As for success in general, Kayleigh almost destroyed that band.  I can certainly get that resentment - H seems to have a better business head than Fish; how many "cunning plans" have there been now?  15?  16? And he still didn't have the foresight apparently to make sure he had all the masters to his solo albums in usable form - but he ought to be careful it doesn't turn into a one-note party. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 14, 2016, 04:53:11 PM
No offense, as I've said, Marillion fan from way back, but life IS fair.  It's the way it should be.   As good a song as it is, seventeen minute bitter diatribes about those who have more money than us are a limited avenue, and six minute bitter diatribes about people who do get the hit song, a song we pretentiously "almost remember" are hard not to take as sour grapes.   Honestly, the music that is popular is the music that SHOULD be popular.   Look, their music REALLY works for me - I cried like a baby watching H perform "Neverland" because it SO hit a nerve with me in my life when it came out - but it's not for everyone, and that's okay.  It's almost better that way.   

As for success in general, Kayleigh almost destroyed that band.  I can certainly get that resentment - H seems to have a better business head than Fish; how many "cunning plans" have there been now?  15?  16? And he still didn't have the foresight apparently to make sure he had all the masters to his solo albums in usable form - but he ought to be careful it doesn't turn into a one-note party.

I was in tears more times at the Philly show than I was during the Rush Doc (no comparison really) Neverland was one of the few songs that didn't get me. It just seemed "off" (except for Rothery.) Probably been spoiled by a handful of other performances I've witnessed (October 2004 in Philly probably being the best of those.) That was, I think, the best version of King I've ever heard in my life. 

As for Hogarth, I've always said I'd be happy never to hear him sing another Fish song ever again, but hearing the band run through Sugar Mice was so flat out amazing that him singing it didn't bother me (I may have just ignored him.)

Hogarth still has that side to him I'm not thrilled with, but he's really mellowed nicely over the years.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on November 15, 2016, 05:51:38 AM
Finally picked up F.E.A.R today. Will report back once I've listened.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on November 18, 2016, 01:25:09 PM
I'm on my third listen now, and the hype/praise is justified! I hear elements of both Goodbye to All That and The Invisible Man in El Dorado. Living in FEAR is definitely my favourite song atm. And it's strange how this album, despite still being 68 minutes (only 6 mins shorter than Sounds That Can't Be Made), doesn't outstay its welcome unlike that one. (Nice songs on STCBM, but a mentally exhausting listen for some reason.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 26, 2016, 08:45:48 AM
Easily a Top 5 Hogarth Marillion album for me.
 
Hearing much of it live was a transformational experience.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on December 01, 2016, 02:03:45 AM
Surprised no one's mentioned this yet. Yesterday Marillion announced a gig at the legendary Royal Albert Hall, on Friday 13th October 2017. Easily set to be one of the prog events of the year.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Fritzinger on December 01, 2016, 05:38:09 AM
Next week Marillion will be playing in Utrecht, the place where I currently live. I couldn't get a ticket but I will go there and try to get one anyway.
Do you guys know if it's possible to meet the guys before or after the show?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on December 01, 2016, 08:00:48 AM
Next week Marillion will be playing in Utrecht, the place where I currently live. I couldn't get a ticket but I will go there and try to get one anyway.
Do you guys know if it's possible to meet the guys before or after the show?

No idea, but before the Philly show, I parked in the parking lot behind the venue, and was literally right next to the bus.  As I'm walking down to the bar across the street to meet a friend, Mark Kelly was about 25 feet in front of me with two women.  As we rounded the corner of the building onto the sidewalk he stopped to chat with a guy at a table at a restaurant that was open to the street.   I politely leaned in and said "Thank you" and offered my hand.  He shook it with a confused look on his face, and I said "I'll be watching you play in about 2 hours, didn't mean to bother you."   He smiled and went back to talking.

I don't know the Utrecht venue, but the places they played in the States are not stadia.   It's not too hard if you know the layout of the place and the schedule.   I would have waited after the show (I'm not shitting you; my car door was literally 15 feet from the bus door) but I had a 3 and a half hour drive back home and it was already 11:30 at night.   My days of standing in parking lots to get CD covers signed are, I think, fading.  :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on December 02, 2016, 12:44:51 AM
Yeah, I have like, zero interest in meeting artist before or, even, after a show they play. Having performed myself I can imagine people coming up to you before a show might be the last thing you want. Although, a lot of performers these days are very relaxed about it, like the guys of Dream Theater. The reason for me is that it tends to be a pretty awkward experience. I happen to shake the singer of Fishbone, Angelo Moore's hand right before a show once, but that was because he was standing right next to me at the bar and I couldn't really ignore him. I remember meeting some of the members of an all time favourite band of mine, Psychotic Waltz, after a reunion show in Amsterdam. The vocalist, Devon Graves and guitarist Dan Rock were as cool as I expected, but when I tried to talk to their drummer Norm Leggio later on outside he had more attention for his phone and he was on about how much homesick he was and couldn't wait to get back home. I once shared a look and a nod with Ray Alder during a show he played with Fates and he was sort of having a relax moment at the side of the stage during a long instrumental part. That was cool. Even people I know that are fine with it, like the members of Stream of Passion or bands like that in the Netherlands, I hate bothering them after a show. The only exception is Arjen Lucassen (Ayreon) who pretty much talks to anyone. He even came up to talk to me once after a gig of SOP and I couldn't really send him away, now could I?   ;D
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Fritzinger on December 02, 2016, 01:30:36 AM
I believe the guys from DT are now relaxed about it because they make 200 bucks off each person they shake hands with for 4 seconds...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on December 02, 2016, 03:50:53 AM
Marillion are really nice guys, not at all rock-star-ish, and will happily stop to chat to you UNLESS they are busy doing something else. Hang around after the show or at sound-check time.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on December 02, 2016, 09:47:59 AM
I met Robin Zander like that at Toad's Place.  He was having a drink and a cigarette at the bar before the show (glasses and the cowboy hat he often wears).    It's a small place, but I don't know why no one else noticed him.  I just sat down next to him with my friend, and we both minded our own bidniz.  As he finished his drink/cig and started to go, I turned and said "Knock em out, Robin.  You're the man" or some horseshit like that, and he smiled, and put his hand on my shoulder and went off to work. Very casual.

As for Marillion, another Toad's story (and relevant to the "doing other things...").  I had just watched the Seasons... tour show (H killed it), was hanging for a few beers (Toad's is a bar as well as club), and when the line died down a little, I went to the down stairs bathroom to pee.   I hung the fire hose and notice Mark Kelly to my left, and Ian Mosley to my right, doing the same thing, just staring straight ahead.  I felt it appropriate to not say a word and CERTAINLY not offer to shake hands.  They zipped up, turned and left, and while I didn't talk to them, I do have a decent story.  :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on December 03, 2016, 07:55:12 AM
I met Robin Zander like that at Toad's Place.  He was having a drink and a cigarette at the bar before the show (glasses and the cowboy hat he often wears).    It's a small place, but I don't know why no one else noticed him.  I just sat down next to him with my friend, and we both minded our own bidniz.  As he finished his drink/cig and started to go, I turned and said "Knock em out, Robin.  You're the man" or some horseshit like that, and he smiled, and put his hand on my shoulder and went off to work. Very casual.

As for Marillion, another Toad's story (and relevant to the "doing other things...").  I had just watched the Seasons... tour show (H killed it), was hanging for a few beers (Toad's is a bar as well as club), and when the line died down a little, I went to the down stairs bathroom to pee.   I hung the fire hose and notice Mark Kelly to my left, and Ian Mosley to my right, doing the same thing, just staring straight ahead.  I felt it appropriate to not say a word and CERTAINLY not offer to shake hands.  They zipped up, turned and left, and while I didn't talk to them, I do have a decent story.  :)

Hope they washed their hands...  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 29, 2016, 05:44:46 PM
Fish has been known to hang at the bar before his shows. Not sure if he still does.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on December 30, 2016, 09:10:43 AM
He did in Philly on the 13th Star tour, though he switched places.  He was at one place for dinner and drinks, then went to another to sign stuff (though he was kind of a dick) then went back to the venue.  All this was within three blocks, but still. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 07, 2017, 06:58:29 PM
He did in Philly on the 13th Star tour, though he switched places.  He was at one place for dinner and drinks, then went to another to sign stuff (though he was kind of a dick) then went back to the venue.  All this was within three blocks, but still.

That was the last time I saw him. I remember him at the bar. He switched because he didn't want the venue taking a major cut of his merch.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 09, 2017, 05:46:56 AM
Where did you go? I didn't bother with the bar on South (Manny Brown's); I was with my wife and daughter so I went and hung at the Irish Times (I knew the owner a little bit).    I know it was a thing with the VENUE, but I don't know why he switched bars.  If I remember right, not all (or even any) of the merch actually showed up at the Times.  He was kind of in a foul mood, and I figured that was why.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 13, 2017, 04:38:44 PM
Where did you go? I didn't bother with the bar on South (Manny Brown's); I was with my wife and daughter so I went and hung at the Irish Times (I knew the owner a little bit).    I know it was a thing with the VENUE, but I don't know why he switched bars.  If I remember right, not all (or even any) of the merch actually showed up at the Times.  He was kind of in a foul mood, and I figured that was why.

I went wherever the merch was because I thought about getting a shirt. We got a photo with him.

I have no idea why he left though, maybe he didn't like his drink?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jasc15 on March 08, 2017, 07:48:47 PM
I knew there was a marillion thread around here somewhere.  There is a science and engineering podcast I listen to, and it turns out the guy is a marillion fan.  He did a podcast with their producer, Mike Hunter, talking about music production from a mostly technical point of view.  Marillion is not the focus, but uses them as example of various production techniques.  Hope you enjoy.

https://omegataupodcast.net/10-marillion-music-production/
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 02, 2017, 08:30:14 AM
It looks like Warner is going through the Marillion catalog and sprucing it up.

First up is Misplaced Childhood with a 4CD, 1 Blu Ray pack. 5.1 audio mixed by Steven Wilson.


https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/misplaced-deluxeCD.htm


Quote
This is the CD/Bluray version of a brand new (2017) Stereo & 5.1 Remaster of Marillion's 1985 album Misplaced Childhood.
 
Disc one features the complete remastered album. Discs two and three contain a live concert recorded Live at the Muziekcentrum Vredenburg in the city of Utrecht in October 1985. The performance includes the entire Misplaced Childhood album along with several songs from the band’s earlier albums, like “Script For A Jester’s Tear” and “Fugazi.” All of the live recordings are previously unreleased except for “Chelsea Monday,” which was the B-side to “Heart Of Lothian” (The full concert is included with the MISPLACED CHILDHOOD (DELUXE EDITION) LP set).
 
The BluRay disc contains an hour-long documentary about the album and promo videos for album singles “Lavender”, “Kayleigh”, “Lady Nina” and “Heart Of Lothian.” Also featured is the original album remixed by Steven Wilson in 5.1 Surround Sound and the 2017 Remaster in high resolution 96kHz 24 bit. Rounding out the disc are Wilson’s Surround Sound and Stereo remixes of “Lady Nina,” the B-side to “Kayleigh.”
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 02, 2017, 08:46:29 AM
 :omg:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on May 02, 2017, 09:53:07 AM
:omg:

:panicattack:

And don't forget about these Fish remasters.

https://shop.fishheads.club/product-category/t-shirt-promo/
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 02, 2017, 10:06:40 AM
:omg:

:panicattack:

And don't forget about these Fish remasters.

https://shop.fishheads.club/product-category/t-shirt-promo/

I really want those but man.... I think I'd be up to $150 for the remasters currently being sold :(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on May 02, 2017, 10:22:16 AM
Tell me about it. It's just not fair. :lol Do they expect us to sell blood and sperm?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 02, 2017, 11:16:36 AM
Tell me about it. It's just not fair. :lol Do they expect us to sell blood and sperm?


LOL

Apparently Steven Wilson has said somewhere recently he's working on the Brave 5.1 mix now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on May 02, 2017, 11:39:08 AM
Damn. That's a great album BUT I would much rather hear him do Marbles. I'd love to hear his treatment of Ocean Cloud and Neverland.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on May 02, 2017, 12:38:39 PM
Tell me about it. It's just not fair. :lol Do they expect us to sell blood and sperm?

We should cut out the middle man and just send it to them.   "Brave 5.1 mix!  Only 3 cc of either blood or sperm!"
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 02, 2017, 01:01:57 PM
Damn. That's a great album BUT I would much rather hear him do Marbles. I'd love to hear his treatment of Ocean Cloud and Neverland.

Yeah, I honestly figured they would have worked chronologically on this. I'd love to hear a remaster of CAS!

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on May 02, 2017, 08:25:19 PM
Tell me about it. It's just not fair. :lol Do they expect us to sell blood and sperm?

We should cut out the middle man and just send it to them.   "Brave 5.1 mix!  Only 3 cc of either blood or sperm!"

Peter Steele already beat us to it. He signed his record contract with a mixture of his blood and semen.

Damn. That's a great album BUT I would much rather hear him do Marbles. I'd love to hear his treatment of Ocean Cloud and Neverland.

Yeah, I honestly figured they would have worked chronologically on this. I'd love to hear a remaster of CAS!



I guess the band is picking their favorites or maybe albums they think need it most.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 03, 2017, 07:07:16 AM
How about the best Marillion album? (Afraid of Sunlight)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 03, 2017, 07:32:35 AM
How about the best Marillion album? (Afraid of Sunlight)

This was my first Marillion album. I still dig it a whole bunch but I wouldn't say it's my favorite.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on May 03, 2017, 07:44:20 AM
Clutching at Straws, of course.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mister Gold on May 03, 2017, 08:10:47 AM
Clutching at Straws, of course.

Such a great album. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 03, 2017, 08:20:56 AM
CAS gives me chills every time I listen.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on May 03, 2017, 08:44:30 AM
Tell me about it. It's just not fair. :lol Do they expect us to sell blood and sperm?

We should cut out the middle man and just send it to them.   "Brave 5.1 mix!  Only 3 cc of either blood or sperm!"

Peter Steele already beat us to it. He signed his record contract with a mixture of his blood and semen.

Cut to the scene where the VP says to his receptionist, "Dear, can you make us four copies of this, please?" and her walking out holding the very corner between thumb and index finger. 

I can see the blood, but do I want to know how you get the semen to hand in the board room to sign the document??
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on May 03, 2017, 08:45:14 AM
CAS gives me chills every time I listen.

I'm with you on that.  And I've heard that album easily hundreds of times, and I STILL get lost in it.    Amazing stuff. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 03, 2017, 10:31:11 AM
https://www.amazon.com/Misplaced-Childhood-Explicit-Deluxe-Blu-Ray/dp/B071YS3XYV/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1493829038&sr=8-1&keywords=marillion+misplaced+childhood+deluxe

Here's Misplaced Childhood Deluxe up on Amazon for preorder.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 03, 2017, 01:13:37 PM
FWIW it's about $36 with shipping to order direct from Marillion.com ... though I think the price on Amazon will come down to something sensible eventually.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HolidaysAnoraks on May 03, 2017, 04:00:29 PM
The copied from Fish's store are signed:

https://shop.fishheads.club/product/misplaced-childhood-deluxe-cdbluray-version/

Has anyone here ordered from his site before? I'm considering it (his is one of the few Marillion related autographs I lack), but I was just wondering how prompt they are about shipping, etc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on May 03, 2017, 06:30:47 PM
The copied from Fish's store are signed:

https://shop.fishheads.club/product/misplaced-childhood-deluxe-cdbluray-version/

Has anyone here ordered from his site before? I'm considering it (his is one of the few Marillion related autographs I lack), but I was just wondering how prompt they are about shipping, etc.

I did once for Feast of Consequences, but that was a pre order. The album showed up a bit after the release date, considering international shipping it wasn't too bad.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Prog Snob on May 03, 2017, 07:57:40 PM
FWIW it's about $36 with shipping to order direct from Marillion.com ... though I think the price on Amazon will come down to something sensible eventually.

I always go to Amazon and I'll ever check the prices at Discogs.com - my new favorite site for music.

Tell me about it. It's just not fair. :lol Do they expect us to sell blood and sperm?

We should cut out the middle man and just send it to them.   "Brave 5.1 mix!  Only 3 cc of either blood or sperm!"

Peter Steele already beat us to it. He signed his record contract with a mixture of his blood and semen.

Cut to the scene where the VP says to his receptionist, "Dear, can you make us four copies of this, please?" and her walking out holding the very corner between thumb and index finger. 

I can see the blood, but do I want to know how you get the semen to hand in the board room to sign the document??

He probably had some in a vial or whatever. This is Peter Steele (RIP) we're talking about.  ;)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 04, 2017, 06:21:20 AM
The first 1000 MC preorders from marillion.com come signed by the 4 members in the band at the time.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on May 04, 2017, 10:01:37 AM
4?..

my MC Vinyl has the 4 but missing Fish, and the odds of seeing him live are basically 0, so I may never have the missing 5th member of the band sign mine.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 04, 2017, 10:11:42 AM
4?..

my MC Vinyl has the 4 but missing Fish, and the odds of seeing him live are basically 0, so I may never have the missing 5th member of the band sign mine.

Yeah, why would H sign it?

So it's got the other guys.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on May 04, 2017, 10:12:45 AM
4?..

my MC Vinyl has the 4 but missing Fish, and the odds of seeing him live are basically 0, so I may never have the missing 5th member of the band sign mine.

As I understand it, you buy it from Fishheads club (Fish's shop), and he will sign it.  You buy it from Racket Records (Marillion.com), Rothery, Kelly, Mosley and Trewavas will sign it.

I already have a "13th Star" signed by Fish, so I preordered from Marillion.com.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on May 04, 2017, 10:13:20 AM
4?..

my MC Vinyl has the 4 but missing Fish, and the odds of seeing him live are basically 0, so I may never have the missing 5th member of the band sign mine.

Yeah, why would H sign it?

So it's got the other guys.

That would be pretty funny, though. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on May 04, 2017, 10:22:08 AM
4?..

my MC Vinyl has the 4 but missing Fish, and the odds of seeing him live are basically 0, so I may never have the missing 5th member of the band sign mine.

Yeah, why would H sign it?

So it's got the other guys.

That would be pretty funny, though.

I mean.. I think I've seen Rudess and Mangini sign CDs/posters, etc from albums they weren't on. They're just being good sports about it.  I can see it going both ways... he's been singing those songs more frequently than Fish has since it came out I imagine... so I wouldn't *MIND* if H signed it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on May 05, 2017, 10:36:31 AM
4?..

my MC Vinyl has the 4 but missing Fish, and the odds of seeing him live are basically 0, so I may never have the missing 5th member of the band sign mine.

Yeah, why would H sign it?

So it's got the other guys.

That would be pretty funny, though.

I mean.. I think I've seen Rudess and Mangini sign CDs/posters, etc from albums they weren't on. They're just being good sports about it.  I can see it going both ways... he's been singing those songs more frequently than Fish has since it came out I imagine... so I wouldn't *MIND* if H signed it.

There's a video on Youtube where H went for coffee at someone's cabin during a Marillion Weekend in Port Zelande one year, where he mentions about signing stuff from the Fish era that he wasn't involved with.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 13, 2017, 06:06:53 PM
Ordering from Fish.

Already have a few copies of this signed by him but this will likely be the last time I'll ever buy this album (unless I order it from Marillion too.) I've got most of what's here already, but I'm a sucker for Fish writing the story about this album again. 

My guess is this is the only album that gets this over-the-top treatment. Wouldn't mind the rest of the Fish era released like this, but I just don't see it happening unless there are record sales.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on May 13, 2017, 11:09:18 PM
Preordered from Fish..... fantastic album... signed by my teensge idol
Seeing this live back in the day only cemented  my total adoration of Fish.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 28, 2017, 07:34:01 PM
Preordered from Fish..... fantastic album... signed by my teensge idol
Seeing this live back in the day only cemented  my total adoration of Fish.

I did too although I'm thinking of getting one from Marillion too.

What really excites me is the live stuff and the art and liners. I don't really expect this to sound any better than any versions I already have.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 19, 2017, 08:23:03 PM
My Misplaced Childhood deluxe set made it all the way to Texas from Racket Records in record time, signed by 4 of the members. The set is GORGEOUS and I can't wait to listen to it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on July 20, 2017, 03:35:38 AM
My Misplaced Childhood deluxe set made it all the way to Texas from Racket Records in record time, signed by 4 of the members. The set is GORGEOUS and I can't wait to listen to it tomorrow.

Haven't got mine yet from Fish... hope it arrives soon
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 20, 2017, 06:36:31 AM
My Misplaced Childhood deluxe set made it all the way to Texas from Racket Records in record time, signed by 4 of the members. The set is GORGEOUS and I can't wait to listen to it tomorrow.

Nice little surprise in my mailbox as well!  (Though I have to say; the packaging was a little to be desired.  The set itself is BEAUTIFUL, but mine came with slightly rounded corners.  Doesn't matter to me, because I'm not turning it on eBay immediately, but I can imagine someone being put out by that.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 20, 2017, 07:23:27 AM
My Misplaced Childhood deluxe set made it all the way to Texas from Racket Records in record time, signed by 4 of the members. The set is GORGEOUS and I can't wait to listen to it tomorrow.

Nice little surprise in my mailbox as well!  (Though I have to say; the packaging was a little to be desired.  The set itself is BEAUTIFUL, but mine came with slightly rounded corners.  Doesn't matter to me, because I'm not turning it on eBay immediately, but I can imagine someone being put out by that.)

I don't think mine had rounded corners, I'll have to look but mine was wrapped in cardboard and then in the mailing bag. I was concerned it was beat up until I saw the cardboard.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on July 21, 2017, 03:07:25 PM
Listening to this now on Amazon Music.  It sounds really good. I bet it'll sound even better with a higher bitrate encoding or right off the CD.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 22, 2017, 10:50:55 AM
The one I ordered from Marillion shipped. No word on the one from Fish yet.

First order of business will be to dig into that live show and read the liner notes.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 26, 2017, 06:28:35 PM
The one I ordered from Marillion shipped. No word on the one from Fish yet.

First order of business will be to dig into that live show and read the liner notes.

The one from Racket is here, the one from Fish is still MIA.

Planned to wait until the weekend to tear into this, but after reading the liner notes and staring at it for a while I had to listen to the concert (which I discovered I had on vinyl, but haven't listened to it in YEARS.) So much for trying to take it slow.

There's a lot of redundancies here from the 1998 reissue, but the package is much nicer. I'm sure the documentary will be really cool. Most of the rest of the stuff I have in various other places but I've never had my favorite album of all-time done up quite like this so its really cool. Don't expect to be blown away by the remaster itself, but that's not why I doubled down on this one. Great job with the art and liner notes  Need to find a special place for these.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gazinwales on August 01, 2017, 01:49:01 PM
Mine arrived yesterday, had a quick look and listen.
The package itself is very nice, except the way the discs are held, very flimsy to say the least.
Had a quick flick through the booklet, saw the band pic, looked at it three times before I realised that the fat guy with the beard was Fish.
Haven't followed him for many years, or seen any recent pics of him until this release.

The BR disc is great, 5.1 sound really good and you can hear everything in the mix.
Watched almost all the doco, pretty interesting, with all the band and producer reminiscing about the recording and playback of nearly all the album.
They look like they all get on, and I sat there thinking could they, maybe, er nah they never will...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Samsara on August 01, 2017, 02:05:57 PM
You know, it's funny. I've heard of Marillion since the start of my prog rock/hard rock fandom 30 years ago. But I never bothered to check them out. I heard of Misplaced Childhood, Clutching at Straws, Marbles, etc., and really just never bothered to check them out.

Then late last week, a friend was listening to the new Misplaced Childhood set, and after all these years, I sat down and listened to the record. What an incredible work. I went to Amazon and ordered the deluxe edition this afternoon. I am really looking forward to immersing myself in it a bit more. I seriously come to Marillion with NO expectations. Never listened to a track before, except for last week's one listen to Misplaced Childhood.

I am looking forward to getting the set.

I was told that after Misplaced Childhood to go to Clutching at Straws. Which I will do in time...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on August 01, 2017, 02:08:23 PM
CAS might be my favorite Fish era.  Apparently that ones getting the Deluxe treatment as well.  One of the 'official' Marillion folk on a facebook group I'm on said several of the albums released on EMI are getting the deluxe treatment by 2020.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: sfam2112 on August 01, 2017, 02:14:05 PM
Clutching At Straws is probably my favorite Marillion album. :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on August 01, 2017, 02:33:19 PM
Got my package from Scotland today.... have seen the documentary and loved it. Loved seeing them all together again after all those years.
Interresting discussions going on  in the studio.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: njfirefighter on August 01, 2017, 02:59:14 PM
Clutching At Straws is probably my favorite Marillion album. :)

Clutching at Straws, Misplaced Childhood and Script for a Jester's tear for me. I'm definitely more of a Fish era fan. I've tried a few compilations that had both Fish and Hogarth era material on them and gave Marbles, Season's End and a live dvd a chance, I just can't get into the post Fish stuff all that much unfortunately.

What Hogarth material would people here steer me too as being THE BEST of material to check out of his with the band?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on August 01, 2017, 03:04:31 PM

What Hogarth material would people here steer me too as being THE BEST of material to check out of his with the band?

For me Season's End and Marbles (the 2 cd set with Ocean Cloud) is where the good H era stuff is.  A lot of others may say Brave but it hasn't clicked for me.

Season's End if I recall a lot of the ideas were already in motion when Fish left.. so it still works for me in a lot of ways.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gazinwales on August 01, 2017, 03:55:32 PM
The H era stuff is either very good or average to say the least.
Very hit and miss for me, Seasons End, Brave, Afraid of Sunlight and Marbles are the ones that come to mind immediately.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on August 01, 2017, 03:59:08 PM
Season's End if I recall a lot of the ideas were already in motion when Fish left.. so it still works for me in a lot of ways.

Yes Season's End has music written while Fish was still in the band and so does Holidays in Eden if I am not mistaken.

Lyrics that Fish wrote while still in the band ended up on his first Soloalbums. Vigil in a Vilderness of Mirrors and also Internal Exile I think. Both great records....

Love Season's End and how Hogarth took the bull by the horn in The Uninvited Guest. Can't have been easy replacing Fish.

Holidays in Eden was quite alright but after that I have more or less given up on Marillion. Have tried with one album here and one there but nothing gets my attention unfortunately.

I was such a Marillion Freak during the Fish years.... well those albums are still as good.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: sfam2112 on August 01, 2017, 10:11:15 PM
Seasons End, Brave, Afraid of Sunlight and Marbles are the ones that come to mind immediately.

This. I would also throw in This Strange Engine for the title track, at least. :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gazinwales on August 02, 2017, 12:50:41 AM
I agree the title track is one of their best, but the rest of the album has some real duds.
I actually prefer the remix album with The Positive Light, 'Tales From The Engine Room', it breathes new life into the material.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 02, 2017, 07:22:59 AM
You know, it's funny. I've heard of Marillion since the start of my prog rock/hard rock fandom 30 years ago. But I never bothered to check them out. I heard of Misplaced Childhood, Clutching at Straws, Marbles, etc., and really just never bothered to check them out.

Then late last week, a friend was listening to the new Misplaced Childhood set, and after all these years, I sat down and listened to the record. What an incredible work. I went to Amazon and ordered the deluxe edition this afternoon. I am really looking forward to immersing myself in it a bit more. I seriously come to Marillion with NO expectations. Never listened to a track before, except for last week's one listen to Misplaced Childhood.

I am looking forward to getting the set.

I was told that after Misplaced Childhood to go to Clutching at Straws. Which I will do in time...
GO CHRONOLOGICAL.

At least with the H stuff, GO CHRONOLOGICAL.   It makes a lot more sense, as most of their albums seem to be a reaction to the one before. 

I don't know if I mentioned it or not, but GO CHRONOLOGICAL.   

Chronological.

FYI, Clutching... is in my top five albums ever by any band, ever.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 02, 2017, 07:27:25 AM

What Hogarth material would people here steer me too as being THE BEST of material to check out of his with the band?

For me Season's End and Marbles (the 2 cd set with Ocean Cloud) is where the good H era stuff is.  A lot of others may say Brave but it hasn't clicked for me.

Season's End if I recall a lot of the ideas were already in motion when Fish left.. so it still works for me in a lot of ways.

Marbles is great, but you don't have to trip over yourself to get the 2CD version.  Ocean Cloud seems to get a lot of love because it's longer than 10 minutes, but in my opinion it's not even top three songs on the album.

For me, the H era:

Season's End
Brave/Afraid of Sunlight
Marbles
Anoraknophobia
Radiation
F.E.A.R.
Sounds That Can't Be Made
.com


Holidays has some moments
This Strange Engine was so bad I stopped listening to Marillion until I felt I had to give Marbles a try
Somewhere Else is... well, somewhere else
Happiness... seems like a missed opportunity to me

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Samsara on August 02, 2017, 09:06:38 AM
You know, it's funny. I've heard of Marillion since the start of my prog rock/hard rock fandom 30 years ago. But I never bothered to check them out. I heard of Misplaced Childhood, Clutching at Straws, Marbles, etc., and really just never bothered to check them out.

Then late last week, a friend was listening to the new Misplaced Childhood set, and after all these years, I sat down and listened to the record. What an incredible work. I went to Amazon and ordered the deluxe edition this afternoon. I am really looking forward to immersing myself in it a bit more. I seriously come to Marillion with NO expectations. Never listened to a track before, except for last week's one listen to Misplaced Childhood.

I am looking forward to getting the set.

I was told that after Misplaced Childhood to go to Clutching at Straws. Which I will do in time...
GO CHRONOLOGICAL.

At least with the H stuff, GO CHRONOLOGICAL.   It makes a lot more sense, as most of their albums seem to be a reaction to the one before. 

I don't know if I mentioned it or not, but GO CHRONOLOGICAL.   

Chronological.

FYI, Clutching... is in my top five albums ever by any band, ever.

 :lol

So you're saying I should go in order with the H era?   ;)

I will...IF I go down that rabbit hole. I'm going to enjoy the Misplaced Childhood set, and then see if they are going to do a similar treatment for Clutching at Straws, and ultimately pick that up. After that, however, will depend on just how much I enjoy MC and CaS and want to invest in the rest of the catalog.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: twosuitsluke on August 02, 2017, 09:13:12 AM
I'm not really a fan of Marillion but I'm going to a festival with my Dad next weekend and they're actually playing. The festival is called Cropredy Festival and it's in the UK (anyone else going?). It's predominantly a folk rock festival but, by the looks of previous lineups, they often have prog rock bands playing. I'll report back after seeing them.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 02, 2017, 09:36:39 AM
They SLAY live.   Even when the material isn't great, they kill it.   I've seen them... four times now (which is something of a trick for someone in the States) and they've all been great.

Last time I saw them - this most recent tour - I was with a friend and his girlfriend.  We had seats, but I stood up off to the side (I knew the setlist before hand) and during "Neverland" I just cried like a baby.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: njfirefighter on August 02, 2017, 04:26:06 PM
Thanks for the info guys. It sounds like I've already given the biggest recommendations above a chance. So there seems no point to continue further, but I'll go back and give those few that I have in my collection from the Hogarth era another spin.

I never managed to catch them live either, doesn't seem like they hit the US all that often. Their recent tour, which they did do a Philly area date I skipped purposefully as I didn't have much desire in seeing the Hogarth lineup.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on August 03, 2017, 05:34:43 AM
It's a shame really that, for some people, H still hasn't shaken off the "Fish replacement" tag, after 30 years and 13 studio albums with the band. The Fish era of the band is quite small now, and will only get more and more miniscule with each subsequent album. Thankfully, they're in the minority.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 03, 2017, 07:13:45 AM
Thanks for the info guys. It sounds like I've already given the biggest recommendations above a chance. So there seems no point to continue further, but I'll go back and give those few that I have in my collection from the Hogarth era another spin.

I never managed to catch them live either, doesn't seem like they hit the US all that often. Their recent tour, which they did do a Philly area date I skipped purposefully as I didn't have much desire in seeing the Hogarth lineup.

I RARELY say this, as I am not at all a fan of "turning on" other people to music - you either like it or you don't - but it's amazing enough that it transcends:   there are some things that, as a music fan, you have to see.   In my opinion, you have to see "Rock and Roll All Nite" by Kiss, in an arena, at least once.   You have to see Bruce, just once.  You have to see Paul singing "Hey Jude" in person just once.

For my money, you have to see Hogarth performing "Neverland" live, just once.  It is transformative. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on August 03, 2017, 02:20:00 PM
Marbles 3xLP with new art (and the full goddamn album!) is now up for preorder at Burning Shed. Comes out August 18. Instabuy!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on August 03, 2017, 09:48:28 PM
damn, I want that. Makes me pissed for buying the 1st pressing.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on August 04, 2017, 07:34:17 AM
damn, I want that. Makes me pissed for buying the 1st pressing.

Right? I just bought the "original" LP pressing a couple months ago online .. got it cheap (or I felt it was cheap for 2 LPs)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 04, 2017, 08:03:39 PM
It's a shame really that, for some people, H still hasn't shaken off the "Fish replacement" tag, after 30 years and 13 studio albums with the band. The Fish era of the band is quite small now, and will only get more and more miniscule with each subsequent album. Thankfully, they're in the minority.

Not a replacement at all. Apples and oranges.

Those Fish albums did the most commercial damage and had a much higher profile --  though the music industry is a much different thing than it was then.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on August 14, 2017, 05:09:23 AM
I've had B'Sides Themselves for over a year, but it's only recently that Lady Nina has clicked with me. I love that song! But I'm wondering if Lady Nina and Freaks were initially written as part of the Misplaced Childhood concept.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 15, 2017, 06:04:57 AM
Can't speak definitively for Freaks, but Lady Nina was NOT.    LN was written in conjunction with Ian's experimentation with a different drum sound (the electronic drums you can hear on the recording) but it's my understanding that it wasn't part of the MC concept.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gazinwales on August 15, 2017, 02:56:16 PM
There are details about Freaks and Lady Nina on the BR disc and in the booklet of the MC deluxe box.
Basically Nina was knocked out quickly with drum machine and is about a prostitute and Freaks about the Marillion fans.
Neither songs fit in either musically or lyrically with the rest of the MC album and thus were never considered to be part of the album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Fritzinger on August 17, 2017, 02:30:54 AM
Not sure if this has been posted here, but HAPPINESS IS THE ROAD will also be released on vinyl soon!
Here's what my burning shed mail said:

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Marillion

Happiness Is The Road - Essence / The Hard Shoulder (double vinyl pre-orders)


Happiness Is The Road, Marillion’s two volume album from 2008, given a 2017 Madfish label reissue as two separate double LP sets.

The two volumes comprise The Hard Shoulder - which presents a riff-laden, harder Rock approach - and Essence - a melancholic and atmospheric concept album - which features Marillion at its most innovative.

These versions of Essence and The Hard Shoulder are presented as double 180g vinyl editiosn packaged in a lavish gatefold covers. The Hard Shoulder features two bonus live tracks on its fourth vinyl side.

Pre-order for 6th October release.

BTW, am I the only one here who LOVES HITR? I feel like it has been bashed a lot bc it's not really proggy but I think it has some brilliant songs and I like the overall atmosphere.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 19, 2017, 08:56:15 AM
There are details about Freaks and Lady Nina on the BR disc and in the booklet of the MC deluxe box.
Basically Nina was knocked out quickly with drum machine and is about a prostitute and Freaks about the Marillion fans.
Neither songs fit in either musically or lyrically with the rest of the MC album and thus were never considered to be part of the album.

EMI wanted Lady Nina on the album as a single and the band refused. That drum machine still kind of bothers me. they talk a little about Lady Nina in the doc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 19, 2017, 08:59:03 AM
Not sure if this has been posted here, but HAPPINESS IS THE ROAD will also be released on vinyl soon!
Here's what my burning shed mail said:

Quote
Marillion

Happiness Is The Road - Essence / The Hard Shoulder (double vinyl pre-orders)


Happiness Is The Road, Marillion’s two volume album from 2008, given a 2017 Madfish label reissue as two separate double LP sets.

The two volumes comprise The Hard Shoulder - which presents a riff-laden, harder Rock approach - and Essence - a melancholic and atmospheric concept album - which features Marillion at its most innovative.

These versions of Essence and The Hard Shoulder are presented as double 180g vinyl editiosn packaged in a lavish gatefold covers. The Hard Shoulder features two bonus live tracks on its fourth vinyl side.

Pre-order for 6th October release.

BTW, am I the only one here who LOVES HITR? I feel like it has been bashed a lot bc it's not really proggy but I think it has some brilliant songs and I like the overall atmosphere.

I like it. It's just that I like the albums around it better. I'm sure if there was a US Tour for it, I'd probably like it even more.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on August 19, 2017, 09:38:35 AM
I like The Hard Shoulder a good deal more than Essence, although the title track is decent.  Then again, I'm one of the few Marillion fans who appreciates their rock side more than their introspective side.  I understand what they were going for, but overall, the first disc is just so much middling meh. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 19, 2017, 10:44:54 AM
I like The Hard Shoulder a good deal more than Essence, although the title track is decent.  Then again, I'm one of the few Marillion fans who appreciates their rock side more than their introspective side.  I understand what they were going for, but overall, the first disc is just so much middling meh.

This is me.  I love Hogarth, and I have a lot of respect for him as a singer and frontman, but when he misses (with me) he REALLY misses (with me).   Sometimes he gets a little too into his own universe for me.  I also miss Dave Meegan's input into the band's work. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on August 19, 2017, 11:57:23 AM
I like The Hard Shoulder a good deal more than Essence, although the title track is decent.  Then again, I'm one of the few Marillion fans who appreciates their rock side more than their introspective side.  I understand what they were going for, but overall, the first disc is just so much middling meh.

This is me.  I love Hogarth, and I have a lot of respect for him as a singer and frontman, but when he misses (with me) he REALLY misses (with me).   Sometimes he gets a little too into his own universe for me.  I also miss Dave Meegan's input into the band's work.

Essence is essentially an hour of Hogarth's navel gazing set to music. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Samsara on August 23, 2017, 01:58:05 PM
On my first ever listen to Marillion's Clutching at Straws (albeit it in background while I work)...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on August 23, 2017, 02:11:50 PM
On my first ever listen to Marillion's Clutching at Straws (albeit it in background while I work)...

Good choice.  That's the best one they did with Fish. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 24, 2017, 06:33:03 PM
On my first ever listen to Marillion's Clutching at Straws (albeit it in background while I work)...

Every time my wife and I drive back home at night from somewhere, this is the album we play.

Don't even remember how that started.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 25, 2017, 07:43:26 AM
On my first ever listen to Marillion's Clutching at Straws (albeit it in background while I work)...

Every time my wife and I drive back home at night from somewhere, this is the album we play.

Don't even remember how that started.

Top ten all time album for me.   Top to bottom, and one I still listen to frequently. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Postwhore on August 25, 2017, 08:42:46 AM
On my first ever listen to Marillion's Clutching at Straws (albeit it in background while I work)...

Every time my wife and I drive back home at night from somewhere, this is the album we play.

Don't even remember how that started.

The wife and I play The Raven That Refused To Sing for that drive all the time.  Cool!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gazinwales on August 27, 2017, 04:28:29 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned previously, I was reading a SW interview and he said that he was/is working on a 5.1 mix of Brave.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 27, 2017, 11:35:36 AM
On my first ever listen to Marillion's Clutching at Straws (albeit it in background while I work)...

Every time my wife and I drive back home at night from somewhere, this is the album we play.

Don't even remember how that started.

Top ten all time album for me.   Top to bottom, and one I still listen to frequently.

It's not even my favorite Marillion album overall although at that time of the night it just might be. Listened to it twice through again last might. Definitely a state of mind.....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mister Gold on August 27, 2017, 12:10:13 PM
On my first ever listen to Marillion's Clutching at Straws (albeit it in background while I work)...

Probably my personal favorite Marillion album. I typically prefer their work with Hogarth, but Fish knocked it out of the park with that album. One of my absolute favorite albums ever from a lyrical perspective.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on August 27, 2017, 05:02:56 PM
I just bought the brand new re-release of Misplaced Childhood, and I'm feeling a bit ripped off. 

I honestly thought that Steven Wilson had remixed and remastered the ENTIRE thing.   But he only did the 5.1 mixes on the bonus Blu Ray.   The album and the bonus disc are essentially exactly the same thing that I already have from the 1998 Remaster.  (it's been remastered by someone else, but I don't hear much of a difference)

The bonus live concert is nice, and I am happy to have the SW surround sound version, but I basically paid full price for a package that I already owned 40% of. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gazinwales on August 27, 2017, 08:34:21 PM
Are you mad at yourself for not doing enough pre-purchase investigating?
Always read the 'fine print' with deluxe box sets to see exactly what you are paying for.

I only bought it for the BR, and the interview and liner notes.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on August 27, 2017, 09:11:51 PM
Kinda....but in a way, since Steven usually is "all in" on these things (see the Jethro Tull, King Crimson, and Yes re-releases), and to see his name attached to this project, it seemed natural to think it was going to be similar to all those other releases he's gotten involved in.   

You're right.  There was no deception.  But I do wish they would have made it clearer that the main album and B-sides on the first two discs were not done with SW's involvement.   Or at least done a bit more to promote that it was Michael Hunter that was doing the 2017 remaster with no remixing, as opposed to having Steven Wilson be the *only* name that was bantered about in the promotion of the product.

Seriously....Michael Hunter is not mentioned at all on the outside of the package, nor is he ever even mentioned in the promotion of the release.  Even though it only mentions SW in the mix of the surround sound, his name is still the only name that comes up.   Check it.

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/misplaced-deluxeCD.htm

I had to look on the last page of the liner notes before I knew who had done it at all. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gazinwales on August 27, 2017, 09:28:30 PM
Probably down that SW is far more marketable and name is well known than Michael Hunter.

Anyway looking forward to Brave in 5.1, can't think of what that might be packaged with?
We've already had Brave remaster and b-sides, The Making Of Brave, Brave live, what's left in the vault?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 28, 2017, 07:21:33 AM
Kinda....but in a way, since Steven usually is "all in" on these things (see the Jethro Tull, King Crimson, and Yes re-releases), and to see his name attached to this project, it seemed natural to think it was going to be similar to all those other releases he's gotten involved in.   

You're right.  There was no deception.  But I do wish they would have made it clearer that the main album and B-sides on the first two discs were not done with SW's involvement.   Or at least done a bit more to promote that it was Michael Hunter that was doing the 2017 remaster with no remixing, as opposed to having Steven Wilson be the *only* name that was bantered about in the promotion of the product.

Seriously....Michael Hunter is not mentioned at all on the outside of the package, nor is he ever even mentioned in the promotion of the release.  Even though it only mentions SW in the mix of the surround sound, his name is still the only name that comes up.   Check it.

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/misplaced-deluxeCD.htm

I had to look on the last page of the liner notes before I knew who had done it at all.

I'm not taking sides on this, but as a point of fact, I read two interviews with Wilson where he said something to the effect of, "when I do this I start with a remix in stereo, then create the 5.1 mix.   Most packages - Yes was one - require that my new stereo mix be included [the interviews implied that it was a contractual thing, whether to get approval for the stereo re-release or to make sure the royalties on the older stereo mixes were not excessive].  This one, I sent it to the band and said flat out, don't include this; I didn't bring anything new to the table in stereo, the one before was about as good as it's going to get.    Just include the 5.1 mix."    Or something like that. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 03, 2017, 01:07:22 PM
I just bought the brand new re-release of Misplaced Childhood, and I'm feeling a bit ripped off. 

I honestly thought that Steven Wilson had remixed and remastered the ENTIRE thing.   But he only did the 5.1 mixes on the bonus Blu Ray.   The album and the bonus disc are essentially exactly the same thing that I already have from the 1998 Remaster.  (it's been remastered by someone else, but I don't hear much of a difference)

The bonus live concert is nice, and I am happy to have the SW surround sound version, but I basically paid full price for a package that I already owned 40% of.

You have the R40 box? I'd be more pissed about that. (Think I had close to 95 percent of that already and paid close to $100 for it I think.)

I only cared about the live Marillion show (had a vinyl bootleg of this though) the doc and the art and liner notes (The signatures were a really nice touch too) so I guess I'm coming at it from a different place. I don't think it was going to sound any better than it already did (There may be a minor improvement but I'm not completely sure.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 08, 2017, 05:45:31 AM
Living in Fear single coming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U5Aj0iFlJs
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 08, 2017, 11:15:08 AM
AMERICAN TOUR IN FEBRUARY!
 
From Lucy Jordache on Facebook:

hey - if you buy our new single I *might* be persuaded to give you some good news in return:) Oh what the hell....save the dates..9th - 21st February 2018. USA we are coming to get you. More details will be posted in the next few days so don't ask as I'm not telling:)

 
 
We hope you’re having a good summer.
We are are pleased to announce that we’ve decided to release a single!
We thought it might be cool to give F E A R another promotional “bump” as we intend to continue touring our new baby well-into 2018.
Nothing works so well as a top ten chart position so…
Mike H, our resident genius producer has made a radical remix/edit of “Living In Fear” complete with outro taken from our live show at the 2017 Convention.

The preorder starts on Friday 8th September for release 6th October. We'll share the video with you in a couple of weeks:)
You gave us top 5 with “You’re Gone”. Can you do it again? We have a feeling you just might…
See you very soon
H, Ian, Mark, Pete and Steve
Tracklisting:
Marillion – Living In F E A R
1. Living in F E A R (edit)
2. The Leavers : One Tonight (Live)
3. Neverland (Live)
4. Dry Land (Live)
Available on Limited Edition CD, Numbered 12" Vinyl and Digital Download.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 08, 2017, 11:30:19 AM
Oh snap...hopefully they'll play Denver. Think this might be the time to see them.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on September 08, 2017, 11:40:20 AM
Oh snap...hopefully they'll play Denver. Think this might be the time to see them.

AFAIK they played Denver for the F.E.A.R tour. If circumstances were different around that time I might have flown up for it (I have friends and family up there) but it wasn't in the cards.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on September 09, 2017, 12:40:26 PM
Kinda....but in a way, since Steven usually is "all in" on these things (see the Jethro Tull, King Crimson, and Yes re-releases), and to see his name attached to this project, it seemed natural to think it was going to be similar to all those other releases he's gotten involved in.   

You're right.  There was no deception.  But I do wish they would have made it clearer that the main album and B-sides on the first two discs were not done with SW's involvement.   Or at least done a bit more to promote that it was Michael Hunter that was doing the 2017 remaster with no remixing, as opposed to having Steven Wilson be the *only* name that was bantered about in the promotion of the product.

Seriously....Michael Hunter is not mentioned at all on the outside of the package, nor is he ever even mentioned in the promotion of the release.  Even though it only mentions SW in the mix of the surround sound, his name is still the only name that comes up.   Check it.

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/misplaced-deluxeCD.htm

I had to look on the last page of the liner notes before I knew who had done it at all.

I'm not taking sides on this, but as a point of fact, I read two interviews with Wilson where he said something to the effect of, "when I do this I start with a remix in stereo, then create the 5.1 mix.   Most packages - Yes was one - require that my new stereo mix be included [the interviews implied that it was a contractual thing, whether to get approval for the stereo re-release or to make sure the royalties on the older stereo mixes were not excessive].  This one, I sent it to the band and said flat out, don't include this; I didn't bring anything new to the table in stereo, the one before was about as good as it's going to get.    Just include the 5.1 mix."    Or something like that.

I had thought the 2.0 mix on the blu ray was Steve Wilson's but it appears not, just a 24/96 remaster. I don't have a surround sound system so can't play it. The remaster didn't sound any different to my ears but I do have newly diagnosed tinitus, from trauma - I blame that ManOwaR Fighting Zthe World tour 😀

I mainly bought it for the interview part and the package really, and it's signed by Fish.

I'm hoping for a Clutching T Straws version with similar packaging to go on the shelf.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on September 11, 2017, 08:45:27 AM
I'm hoping for a Clutching T Straws version with similar packaging to go on the shelf.

I would hold my breath for that. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 17, 2017, 10:21:00 PM
Well this is quite a surprise, Fish shared this on his FB page, it seems Lars Ulrich has a deep passion for Clutching at Straws, and even gave the album some air time and very good words on his radio show...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipy69_yD9HQ&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipy69_yD9HQ&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on September 18, 2017, 07:50:12 AM
Yeah that was nice to hear that clip.  I love that album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 18, 2017, 03:23:30 PM
Well this is quite a surprise, Fish shared this on his FB page, it seems Lars Ulrich has a deep passion for Clutching at Straws, and even gave the album some air time and very good words on his radio show...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipy69_yD9HQ&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipy69_yD9HQ&feature=youtu.be)

Shortest song on the album (aside from the technicality that is Happy Ending.)

Was thinking about this album a lot today actually. 30 Years. Was really starting to get into the album around this time after initially not feeling it earlier.

Guess the live show had a lot to do with that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on September 27, 2017, 01:17:12 PM
HEY!   Need a little help...

Anyone remember who (if any) the opening acts were at the following shows:

July 24, 1997 (Sunsets on Empire Tour) - Tuxedo Junction, Danbury, CT
June 21, 2008 (13th Star Tour) - TLA Philadelphia

Also, Marillion:
February 12, 1990 (Season's End Tour) - Toad's Place, New Haven
October 12, 1992 (Holidays in Eden Tour) - Toad's Place, New Haven
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on September 28, 2017, 09:31:42 AM
On the Holidays in Eden tour they had (at least in Europe) the wonderful The Violet Hour as support.
They released only one album but that one is one of my all time favorites, called The Fire Sermon.

They were led by the amazing Doris Brendel (vocals and flagolette).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 30, 2017, 01:37:46 PM
HEY!   Need a little help...

Anyone remember who (if any) the opening acts were at the following shows:

July 24, 1997 (Sunsets on Empire Tour) - Tuxedo Junction, Danbury, CT
June 21, 2008 (13th Star Tour) - TLA Philadelphia

Also, Marillion:
February 12, 1990 (Season's End Tour) - Toad's Place, New Haven
October 12, 1992 (Holidays in Eden Tour) - Toad's Place, New Haven

I'm pretty sure Fish didn't have any opening acts and Marillion and Dream Theater has monumentally bad openers around this period.

As far as Marillion goes, they had bands like Flies on Fire and Drive...She Said as openers at shows I saw in New York, NJ and PA.  Have no idea if they were at your shows. Only things I remember about them was suffering through until they were done and those ridiculous names.

I should probably google them for the laughs but I guess it doesn't even raise to that level of interest.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 30, 2017, 06:07:54 PM
When I saw Sunsets on Empire, he didn't have an opener.

And for Season's End, they had Enchant open, though I think that was specific to the Bay Area show since they are a local band and Rothery had a hand in the production of their debut album. If you're not familiar with Enchant, I'll send them in your roulette :p
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on October 01, 2017, 08:58:27 AM
February 2018 American Tour:

(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22007979_1587912027959467_3187482668497964081_n.jpg?oh=ef56a1b2891f7ee11584a54c0e46f75e&oe=5A4560DE)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1587912027959467&set=gm.1777665172257770&type=3&theater&ifg=1

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 02, 2017, 12:16:44 AM
Might hit up that Texas date. I'm not sure yet though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 02, 2017, 01:33:13 AM
On the Holidays in Eden tour they had (at least in Europe) the wonderful The Violet Hour as support.
They released only one album but that one is one of my all time favorites, called The Fire Sermon.

They were led by the amazing Doris Brendel (vocals and flagolette).

Wow - nice to see another Violet Hour fan on here - that was a great album! Doris Brendel is supporting Fish on some of his forthcoming shows...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on October 02, 2017, 01:44:02 AM
On the Holidays in Eden tour they had (at least in Europe) the wonderful The Violet Hour as support.
They released only one album but that one is one of my all time favorites, called The Fire Sermon.

They were led by the amazing Doris Brendel (vocals and flagolette).

Wow - nice to see another Violet Hour fan on here - that was a great album! Doris Brendel is supporting Fish on some of his forthcoming shows...

Same to you....
Yes I wish I could go to Great Britain for one of those shows, but alas...
Trying to convince a local promotor to book Fish and Doris Brendel.... hope next year
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on October 02, 2017, 07:20:47 AM
HEY!   Need a little help...

Anyone remember who (if any) the opening acts were at the following shows:

July 24, 1997 (Sunsets on Empire Tour) - Tuxedo Junction, Danbury, CT
June 21, 2008 (13th Star Tour) - TLA Philadelphia

Also, Marillion:
February 12, 1990 (Season's End Tour) - Toad's Place, New Haven
October 12, 1992 (Holidays in Eden Tour) - Toad's Place, New Haven

I'm pretty sure Fish didn't have any opening acts and Marillion and Dream Theater has monumentally bad openers around this period.

As far as Marillion goes, they had bands like Flies on Fire and Drive...She Said as openers at shows I saw in New York, NJ and PA.  Have no idea if they were at your shows. Only things I remember about them was suffering through until they were done and those ridiculous names.

I should probably google them for the laughs but I guess it doesn't even raise to that level of interest.

Flies On Fire!  Yes!  They opened the Season's End tour.  They sucked, if I recall correctly.  I don't remember Drive... She Said, but that is an epically bad band name. 

Thanks for your help...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 08, 2017, 10:29:45 AM
February 2018 American Tour:

(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22007979_1587912027959467_3187482668497964081_n.jpg?oh=ef56a1b2891f7ee11584a54c0e46f75e&oe=5A4560DE)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1587912027959467&set=gm.1777665172257770&type=3&theater&ifg=1

While I'm kind of bummed they won't be any closer than 5 hours on a weeknight I makes perfect sense to visit the rest of the country.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on October 08, 2017, 10:41:18 AM
Yes.  As this is technically a second US leg of the FEAR tour it seems they consciously avoided markets they already hit in 2016,  even big ones like NYC and LA.  NO canadian dates either but the rumour goes they'll bring back the Marillion Weekend in Montreal in 2019.  I hope that turns out to be true.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on October 08, 2017, 10:41:45 AM
edit: double post
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 08, 2017, 12:39:53 PM
Yes.  As this is technically a second US leg of the FEAR tour it seems they consciously avoided markets they already hit in 2016,  even big ones like NYC and LA.  NO canadian dates either but the rumour goes they'll bring back the Marillion Weekend in Montreal in 2019.  I hope that turns out to be true.

Can't see why it wouldn't be. Seems like no-brainer.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on October 08, 2017, 02:54:24 PM
February 2018 American Tour:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1587912027959467&set=gm.1777665172257770&type=3&theater&ifg=1

While I'm kind of bummed they won't be any closer than 5 hours on a weeknight I makes perfect sense to visit the rest of the country.

Almost the rest.... :-[
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on October 09, 2017, 05:38:56 AM
Got tickets for the Dallas show. So looking forward to this time. Love H and Marillion. 1st tike seeing them. :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: faizoff on October 09, 2017, 06:54:44 AM
February 2018 American Tour:

(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22007979_1587912027959467_3187482668497964081_n.jpg?oh=ef56a1b2891f7ee11584a54c0e46f75e&oe=5A4560DE)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1587912027959467&set=gm.1777665172257770&type=3&theater&ifg=1



This is awesome, I should be able to make the Orlando show.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on October 11, 2017, 08:25:06 AM
I just pulled the trigger and got tickets for the Pittsburgh area show. I have never traveled 8 hours to go to a concert before, but I don't want to miss the tour. So a road trip from Connecticut is in order!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on October 11, 2017, 08:47:03 AM
Worth it.  I drove from CT to Philly to see the first leg, and it was SO worth it.   I was with my friend and his girlfriend, and I stood to the side during Neverland because I didn't want them to see me crying.  Second time ever at a show (the first was McCartney as he sang Yesterday), and that song alone is worth the ticket price.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on October 12, 2017, 09:26:41 AM
Anyone here going to the Royal Albert Hall gig tomorrow? On paper, it should be an incredible, memorable occasion. One of the most charismatic live bands, with a truly dedicated fanbase, in one of Britain's most prestigious venues.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on October 12, 2017, 11:43:58 AM
Worth it.  I drove from CT to Philly to see the first leg, and it was SO worth it.   I was with my friend and his girlfriend, and I stood to the side during Neverland because I didn't want them to see me crying.  Second time ever at a show (the first was McCartney as he sang Yesterday), and that song alone is worth the ticket price.
I know it will be worth it. I've seen Marillion a few times. The last time was Election night in NYC. Needless to say, that was a very surreal night to say the least.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 13, 2017, 09:39:24 PM
Anyone here going to the Royal Albert Hall gig tomorrow? On paper, it should be an incredible, memorable occasion. One of the most charismatic live bands, with a truly dedicated fanbase, in one of Britain's most prestigious venues.

I wish.

Must have been incredible to witness this.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 13, 2017, 09:41:03 PM
Worth it.  I drove from CT to Philly to see the first leg, and it was SO worth it.   I was with my friend and his girlfriend, and I stood to the side during Neverland because I didn't want them to see me crying.  Second time ever at a show (the first was McCartney as he sang Yesterday), and that song alone is worth the ticket price.
I know it will be worth it. I've seen Marillion a few times. The last time was Election night in NYC. Needless to say, that was a very surreal night to say the least.

That's one way to put it.  I had a friend who went to that gig and I'd considered going myself, but I didn't want to take that risk.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: mike099 on October 15, 2017, 05:27:56 PM
I got one of the bands promo cd's a year ago and it was nice, but did not hold my attention.  I recently came to this thread and went to the beginning.    I listened to Clutching at Straws this afternoon and all I can say is 'wow'.  One of the best cd's I have ever heard.  Next up is Misplaced Childhood.  I listened to the first two, but will have to listen again before purchasing.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 16, 2017, 01:49:32 AM
Anyone here going to the Royal Albert Hall gig tomorrow? On paper, it should be an incredible, memorable occasion. One of the most charismatic live bands, with a truly dedicated fanbase, in one of Britain's most prestigious venues.

Yes! It was utterly fantastic! My 24th Marillion gig, and just about one of the best - the atmosphere was unbelievable (I've still got goose-bumps) and the DVD should be amazing!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 18, 2017, 05:02:22 PM
Anyone here going to the Royal Albert Hall gig tomorrow? On paper, it should be an incredible, memorable occasion. One of the most charismatic live bands, with a truly dedicated fanbase, in one of Britain's most prestigious venues.

Yes! It was utterly fantastic! My 24th Marillion gig, and just about one of the best - the atmosphere was unbelievable (I've still got goose-bumps) and the DVD should be amazing!

I'd have to think the vibe was similar to Dream Theater's Score show. (Anyone go to both?)  The DVD should be totally worth it.


The new Marillion EP  is better than I expected it to be. Neverland is taking some getting used to though. I noticed the differences when I saw them last year and this recording really highlights them. Still not sure if I like the arrangement.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 17, 2018, 01:14:20 PM
Will be at the show in Durham NC.  Can't wait to finally see this band!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 19, 2018, 11:18:21 AM
Will be at the show in Durham NC.  Can't wait to finally see this band!
Excited for you! You are going to have a great time!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on January 19, 2018, 01:20:32 PM
Deluxe reissue of Brave coming in March. (https://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/marillion-brave-deluxe-editions/)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 19, 2018, 02:03:28 PM
Deluxe reissue of Brave coming in March. (https://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/marillion-brave-deluxe-editions/)

That's cool.  I'll buy that.   That's the full show from Made Again (Made Again had only the Brave portion).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 19, 2018, 07:18:34 PM
Deluxe reissue of Brave coming in March. (https://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/marillion-brave-deluxe-editions/)

I'm almost 100 percent sure this will be the only Marillion deluxe I'm passing on.

I'm kind of idly wondering if a Steven Wilson remix will do anything to change my opinion of it. But if it's not going to move mountains I'm not going to bother with it. I have Made Again and while I think it's a slight improvement over the studio record, it's not enough to make me reach for it much.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 19, 2018, 07:38:31 PM
On that subject... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LRTEprP4bI

Imo it's a decent improvement.  Brings h out more and more h is always good.  Odd that the B sides won't be in the new deluxe but everyone's heard them I guess. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 19, 2018, 08:08:55 PM
On that subject... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LRTEprP4bI

Imo it's a decent improvement.  Brings h out more and more h is always good.  Odd that the B sides won't be in the new deluxe but everyone's heard them I guess.

Marouette Jam is the best track from those sessions and it never made the freaking album!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on January 20, 2018, 02:34:39 AM
Marouette Jam is the best track from those sessions and it never made the freaking album!

Part of it did. The Slide.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gborland on January 20, 2018, 09:06:21 AM
A hi-res Steven Wilson remaster of one of my favourite albums of all time. Yes please!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on January 20, 2018, 11:17:58 AM
Deluxe reissue of Brave coming in March. (https://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/marillion-brave-deluxe-editions/)

That's cool.  I'll buy that.   That's the full show from Made Again (Made Again had only the Brave portion).

My brother had Made Again on CD but I never tracked it down for myself. I was gonna get this anyway, Marillion is pretty much an auto-buy for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 22, 2018, 08:20:47 AM
Deluxe reissue of Brave coming in March. (https://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/marillion-brave-deluxe-editions/)

I'm almost 100 percent sure this will be the only Marillion deluxe I'm passing on.

I'm kind of idly wondering if a Steven Wilson remix will do anything to change my opinion of it. But if it's not going to move mountains I'm not going to bother with it. I have Made Again and while I think it's a slight improvement over the studio record, it's not enough to make me reach for it much.

Are you a 5.1 guy?   I feel like of all the Marillion albums, this is the one that will benefit the most from a 5.1 mix.  It's a dense record, and it's a complicated (for them) record.    That's what I'm looking forward to the most, not any subtle changes that Steven might bring to the stereo mix.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Pebsie on January 23, 2018, 05:49:24 AM
Saw Fish play Clutching at Straws in its entirety at the Cambridge Corn Exchange. Absolutely magnificent, especially for someone who was told they'd never be able to sing again. I'll be sad when his next, "final" album is out.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 23, 2018, 09:27:11 AM
lol

https://teamrock.com/news/2018-01-23/deranged-marillion-fan-builds-the-chrome-extension-no-one-wants
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 23, 2018, 10:05:26 AM
I think this partial quote from the article - "Thinking is no longer actually required..." - says it all.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 23, 2018, 10:05:57 AM
I just replayed Brave for the first time in a while... what a great album.  Really fired up for this reissue.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Adami on January 23, 2018, 10:09:24 AM
I just replayed Brave for the first time in a while... what a great album.  Really fired up for this reissue.

I haven't heard the album, but I completely disagree with this.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on January 23, 2018, 12:49:34 PM
I just replayed Brave for the first time in a while... what a great album.  Really fired up for this reissue.

I haven't heard the album, but I completely disagree with this.

Do you disagree with everything Stadler says?

Well.... you have taken a stand at least
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 23, 2018, 02:33:35 PM
I just replayed Brave for the first time in a while... what a great album.  Really fired up for this reissue.

I haven't heard the album, but I completely disagree with this.

Do you disagree with everything Stadler says?

Well.... you have taken a stand at least

If nothing else, you have to admire his integrity.   :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on January 23, 2018, 03:29:14 PM
I think Adami is just very good at gentle trolling
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Adami on January 23, 2018, 04:31:16 PM
I just replayed Brave for the first time in a while... what a great album.  Really fired up for this reissue.

I haven't heard the album, but I completely disagree with this.

Do you disagree with everything Stadler says?

Well.... you have taken a stand at least

If nothing else, you have to admire his integrity.   :)

Hard to disagree with that.




But I’m going to anyway.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on January 24, 2018, 01:33:35 AM
Saw Fish play Clutching at Straws in its entirety at the Cambridge Corn Exchange. Absolutely magnificent, especially for someone who was told they'd never be able to sing again. I'll be sad when his next, "final" album is out.

I'm trying not to hate you, and failing miserably.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 24, 2018, 08:05:36 AM
Saw Fish play Clutching at Straws in its entirety at the Cambridge Corn Exchange. Absolutely magnificent, especially for someone who was told they'd never be able to sing again. I'll be sad when his next, "final" album is out.

I'm trying not to hate you, and failing miserably.

I saw the 13th Star tour, and while it wasn't the whole album, it was seven out of eleven songs, and while it was very very good - and special from the "event" aspect of it, he did struggle.  He's not the Fish of 1988 (no one expects him to be) but that material exposes that pretty clearly.   In all fairness, though, for whatever reason, he wasn't in a great mood before the show (I met him and he was rather curt to some of the fans, including my 7 year old daughter) and that carried over into the show (someone took a photo during the show - after he asked that no one take any photos - and he stopped the show, made the audience in front of the guy move aside so the guy was highlighted, and called him a "TWAT!".  Funny for everyone else, but pretty uncalled for.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 24, 2018, 08:08:08 AM
Saw Fish play Clutching at Straws in its entirety at the Cambridge Corn Exchange. Absolutely magnificent, especially for someone who was told they'd never be able to sing again. I'll be sad when his next, "final" album is out.

I'm trying not to hate you, and failing miserably.

I saw the 13th Star tour, and while it wasn't the whole album, it was seven out of eleven songs, and while it was very very good - and special from the "event" aspect of it, he did struggle.  He's not the Fish of 1988 (no one expects him to be) but that material exposes that pretty clearly.   In all fairness, though, for whatever reason, he wasn't in a great mood before the show (I met him and he was rather curt to some of the fans, including my 7 year old daughter) and that carried over into the show (someone took a photo during the show - after he asked that no one take any photos - and he stopped the show, made the audience in front of the guy move aside so the guy was highlighted, and called him a "TWAT!".  Funny for everyone else, but pretty uncalled for.)
I was there
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 24, 2018, 08:12:02 AM
Hopefully you weren't the guy that took the picture...   :) :)    Did I remember it right?  (I was in the back). 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on January 24, 2018, 08:13:37 AM
I saw him at NEARfest on that tour. Got a picture with him early in the day, and he was nice enough, and seemed in good spirits during the show. And yeah, definitely sounded better on his 13th Star material than Clutching stuff.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on January 24, 2018, 08:15:49 AM
Here we go, and yes, my exact thoughts at this point was, "yeah, he is fucking tall".

(https://www.wpapu.com/images/nickfish.jpg)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Pebsie on January 24, 2018, 08:53:29 AM
Saw Fish play Clutching at Straws in its entirety at the Cambridge Corn Exchange. Absolutely magnificent, especially for someone who was told they'd never be able to sing again. I'll be sad when his next, "final" album is out.

I'm trying not to hate you, and failing miserably.
:rollin
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on January 24, 2018, 09:28:33 AM
Saw Fish play Clutching at Straws in its entirety at the Cambridge Corn Exchange. Absolutely magnificent, especially for someone who was told they'd never be able to sing again. I'll be sad when his next, "final" album is out.

I'm trying not to hate you, and failing miserably.
:rollin

Mee too....

Doris Brendel as support and background singer to Fish.... would have loved to see that
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 24, 2018, 10:18:37 AM
Hopefully you weren't the guy that took the picture...   :) :)    Did I remember it right?  (I was in the back).
Not me. I rarely ever take pictures at shows. That would mean I'd have to put my beer down.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 24, 2018, 11:27:49 AM
Hopefully you weren't the guy that took the picture...   :) :)    Did I remember it right?  (I was in the back).
Not me. I rarely ever take pictures at shows. That would mean I'd have to put my beer down.

Haha, you and me both. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 24, 2018, 12:15:26 PM
Hopefully you weren't the guy that took the picture...   :) :)    Did I remember it right?  (I was in the back).
Not me. I rarely ever take pictures at shows. That would mean I'd have to put my beer down.

Haha, you and me both.
I had forgotten how heated Fish got. I know he was hanging at some local bar before the show and said for fans to come out and say hi. I regretted not going. Maybe I could have put him in a better move with my sense of humor! Either that or he might have pummeled me in anger?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 24, 2018, 12:47:57 PM
Hopefully you weren't the guy that took the picture...   :) :)    Did I remember it right?  (I was in the back).
Not me. I rarely ever take pictures at shows. That would mean I'd have to put my beer down.

Haha, you and me both.
I had forgotten how heated Fish got. I know he was hanging at some local bar before the show and said for fans to come out and say hi. I regretted not going. Maybe I could have put him in a better move with my sense of humor! Either that or he might have pummeled me in anger?

There was a snafu with that.  The fans on his forum (at the time) agreed on "The Irish Times", about three blocks from the venue, and about four blocks from my house at the time, so I went there.   After arriving in Philly, he wanted to stay at "Manny Brown's" on South Street, about a block from the venue, but everyone was already committed to the Times.   Then when he got there was a mix up with merch; either it didn't show up or the owner said he couldn't sell it, I don't remember which.  The idea was that the venue took a cut of the merch, so he would set up a stall at the bar and take the whole kit and caboodle, but it didn't happen for some reason (I know the owner of the Times, and it could have gone either way; I could absolutely see him saying "can't sell your shit here").   There were about 40 people at the Times (my daughter and I included) and he went through the line in a perfunctory way then left in a mood.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 24, 2018, 02:06:01 PM
Hopefully you weren't the guy that took the picture...   :) :)    Did I remember it right?  (I was in the back).
Not me. I rarely ever take pictures at shows. That would mean I'd have to put my beer down.

Haha, you and me both.
I had forgotten how heated Fish got. I know he was hanging at some local bar before the show and said for fans to come out and say hi. I regretted not going. Maybe I could have put him in a better move with my sense of humor! Either that or he might have pummeled me in anger?

There was a snafu with that.  The fans on his forum (at the time) agreed on "The Irish Times", about three blocks from the venue, and about four blocks from my house at the time, so I went there.   After arriving in Philly, he wanted to stay at "Manny Brown's" on South Street, about a block from the venue, but everyone was already committed to the Times.   Then when he got there was a mix up with merch; either it didn't show up or the owner said he couldn't sell it, I don't remember which.  The idea was that the venue took a cut of the merch, so he would set up a stall at the bar and take the whole kit and caboodle, but it didn't happen for some reason (I know the owner of the Times, and it could have gone either way; I could absolutely see him saying "can't sell your shit here").   There were about 40 people at the Times (my daughter and I included) and he went through the line in a perfunctory way then left in a mood.
Woah wait...
Your talking about a show in Philly? I'm talking about Toads Place in New Haven. Were you not at the Connecticut show?
Was he pissed off every show of the tour? In New Haven he threaten to beat up a heckler if I recall correctly?  :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 25, 2018, 07:30:18 AM
Yeah, Philly.  He got hot at Toad's too?   Must have been a hell of a tour for him.  :)   

I like Fish a lot - certainly as far as Marillion goes, if I had to pick one and only one, I'd say I'm "Team Fish" - but it's almost as entertaining as the music to watch the emotional rollercoaster that is his career.   Every two years or so there's a new "Cunning Plan" that for whatever reason goes off the rails wildly.   I wish him no ill-will, of course, but still. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 25, 2018, 08:25:29 AM
Yeah, Philly.  He got hot at Toad's too?   Must have been a hell of a tour for him.  :)   

I like Fish a lot - certainly as far as Marillion goes, if I had to pick one and only one, I'd say I'm "Team Fish" - but it's almost as entertaining as the music to watch the emotional rollercoaster that is his career.   Every two years or so there's a new "Cunning Plan" that for whatever reason goes off the rails wildly.   I wish him no ill-will, of course, but still.
In fairness to Fish its not easy trying to make ends meet doing what he does. I'm sure its quite stressful.

and he was definitely hot at Toads. In you live in CT why did you go to Philly and not New Haven?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 25, 2018, 08:29:40 AM
Yeah, Philly.  He got hot at Toad's too?   Must have been a hell of a tour for him.  :)   

I like Fish a lot - certainly as far as Marillion goes, if I had to pick one and only one, I'd say I'm "Team Fish" - but it's almost as entertaining as the music to watch the emotional rollercoaster that is his career.   Every two years or so there's a new "Cunning Plan" that for whatever reason goes off the rails wildly.   I wish him no ill-will, of course, but still.
In fairness to Fish its not easy trying to make ends meet doing what he does. I'm sure its quite stressful.

and he was definitely hot at Toads. In you live in CT why did you go to Philly and not New Haven?

I am originally from CT (1967 to '98) and live here now (since 2013 or so).   At that time I was in Philly (I lived there from '08 till I moved back here).  I still drive to Philly on occasion to see shows.  There are so many great places to see bands there, and they get some cool shows.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 26, 2018, 06:10:21 PM
Marouette Jam is the best track from those sessions and it never made the freaking album!

Part of it did. The Slide.

You're right, but not nearly enough.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 26, 2018, 06:12:17 PM
Deluxe reissue of Brave coming in March. (https://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/marillion-brave-deluxe-editions/)

I'm almost 100 percent sure this will be the only Marillion deluxe I'm passing on.

I'm kind of idly wondering if a Steven Wilson remix will do anything to change my opinion of it. But if it's not going to move mountains I'm not going to bother with it. I have Made Again and while I think it's a slight improvement over the studio record, it's not enough to make me reach for it much.

Are you a 5.1 guy?   I feel like of all the Marillion albums, this is the one that will benefit the most from a 5.1 mix.  It's a dense record, and it's a complicated (for them) record.    That's what I'm looking forward to the most, not any subtle changes that Steven might bring to the stereo mix.

Not a 5.1 guy.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 26, 2018, 06:20:32 PM
Saw Fish play Clutching at Straws in its entirety at the Cambridge Corn Exchange. Absolutely magnificent, especially for someone who was told they'd never be able to sing again. I'll be sad when his next, "final" album is out.

I have to say I'm much more excited for his new album and hearing solo tracks live than hearing him do anything from the Marillion days.

Some of his new arrangements work, but I have way too many miles and time invested in his time with the band for me to enjoy much of it. Way to too easy to throw on a live recording from those days and just be in total bliss in the experience of it all.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 26, 2018, 06:22:09 PM
Saw Fish play Clutching at Straws in its entirety at the Cambridge Corn Exchange. Absolutely magnificent, especially for someone who was told they'd never be able to sing again. I'll be sad when his next, "final" album is out.

I'm trying not to hate you, and failing miserably.

I saw the 13th Star tour, and while it wasn't the whole album, it was seven out of eleven songs, and while it was very very good - and special from the "event" aspect of it, he did struggle.  He's not the Fish of 1988 (no one expects him to be) but that material exposes that pretty clearly.   In all fairness, though, for whatever reason, he wasn't in a great mood before the show (I met him and he was rather curt to some of the fans, including my 7 year old daughter) and that carried over into the show (someone took a photo during the show - after he asked that no one take any photos - and he stopped the show, made the audience in front of the guy move aside so the guy was highlighted, and called him a "TWAT!".  Funny for everyone else, but pretty uncalled for.)
I was there

As was I.....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 27, 2018, 08:24:03 AM
Anyone going to the Pittsburgh show? I'm road tripping it from Connecticut. About 8 hours.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 29, 2018, 07:20:49 PM
Anyone going to the Pittsburgh show? I'm road tripping it from Connecticut. About 8 hours.

Nope. It's 5 hours away on a weeknight. Not happening.

 First US Tour I've missed since those fan-funded gigs for Afraid Of Sunlight. Chose to miss that one.

I guess I choose to miss this one too, but I'd go if the circumstances allowed for it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 30, 2018, 08:19:07 AM
is this really a "separate" tour, or an extension of the previous FEAR dates?  What makes it a new tour? 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on January 30, 2018, 10:54:24 AM
is this really a "separate" tour, or an extension of the previous FEAR dates?  What makes it a new tour?

It's an extension.  I guess you could say it's the second north american leg of the FEAR tour.   It's all new places,  not playing a single venue they hit in 2016, not even coming back to my neck of the woods, Montreal and Quebec city where they always do well.  The fans up here are hoping for a return of the Montreal MArillion Weekend in 2019, I guess we'll know in the spring.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on January 30, 2018, 10:56:22 AM
edit: double post
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on January 30, 2018, 02:46:35 PM
Anyone going to the Pittsburgh show? I'm road tripping it from Connecticut. About 8 hours.

Nope. It's 5 hours away on a weeknight. Not happening.

 First US Tour I've missed since those fan-funded gigs for Afraid Of Sunlight. Chose to miss that one.

I guess I choose to miss this one too, but I'd go if the circumstances allowed for it.
I totally get that. This is the first time I have EVER traveled over 3 hours for any show. A friend and I are making it a cool little road trip. Leaving early Tuesday morning, hitting Primanti Brothers for a sandwich. Having a few cold ones, seeing the show, staying overnight and heading back home early Wednesday morning.
I'm exited for the show, but equally excited to take a road trip with my best friends. Those types of trips are few and far between.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gazinwales on March 23, 2018, 02:35:56 AM
Deluxe Brave arrived earlier this, I'v been saving hearing it until today.
I popped the SW remix CD in my car and the first thing I noticed that is mastered lower than To The Bone CD that it replaced.
The mix sound bright, SR guitar stands out a little more, but I am not hearing a massive difference and I would have though that SW
would have 'meddled' too much anyway.

Gonna play the 5.1 BR tomorrow  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on March 23, 2018, 06:20:28 AM
Deluxe Brave arrived earlier this, I'v been saving hearing it until today.
I popped the SW remix CD in my car and the first thing I noticed that is mastered lower than To The Bone CD that it replaced.
The mix sound bright, SR guitar stands out a little more, but I am not hearing a massive difference and I would have though that SW
would have 'meddled' too much anyway.

Gonna play the 5.1 BR tomorrow  :biggrin:

If it's the same as the Misplaced Childhood set, SW did NOT do a stereo remix.   ONLY the 5.1 mix on the DVD.   I purchased the MC set thinking that SW had done the entire thing, and he didn't. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on March 23, 2018, 06:42:33 AM
Deluxe Brave arrived earlier this, I'v been saving hearing it until today.
I popped the SW remix CD in my car and the first thing I noticed that is mastered lower than To The Bone CD that it replaced.
The mix sound bright, SR guitar stands out a little more, but I am not hearing a massive difference and I would have though that SW
would have 'meddled' too much anyway.

Gonna play the 5.1 BR tomorrow  :biggrin:

If it's the same as the Misplaced Childhood set, SW did NOT do a stereo remix.   ONLY the 5.1 mix on the DVD.   I purchased the MC set thinking that SW had done the entire thing, and he didn't.

it’s not the same as MC, there’s two cds of the studio album in this set: the steven wilson mix and the dave meegan mix.  The demos and jams from the ‘98 remaster are not included in this one. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gazinwales on March 23, 2018, 12:32:09 PM
It states quite clearly on the sticker on the front, the back of the packaging and on the CD itself that it is a SW remix CD.
I wouldn't have posted about it if he wasn't responsible for the remix.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on March 23, 2018, 06:26:19 PM
I didn't mean offence....I myself had been fooled by the label on the MC (which I felt was a tad misleading....but I'm still happy I got it)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: theanalogkid7 on March 25, 2018, 12:14:27 AM
Since receiving my copy of the Brave Deluxe set, I've been listening to the SW mix quite a bit.  I just love it, man.  It very much feels like SW took an already good mix and just breathed some new life into it. The 5.1 mix is especially a treat. 

I was fortunate enough to get to see Marillion for the first time down in Dallas this past month, and man, what a show it was.  I've been on a Marillion high/binge ever since.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 26, 2018, 08:30:20 AM
For those that care:   Wilson commented on this around the time of the Misplaced Childhood release (you can find the interview via Google).   To do a 5.1 mix, he HAS to do a new stereo mix.   For some, it's a radically different mix than what we previously released, in other cases it's not that different at all (and in the case of MC, it was almost exactly the same).   I don't think he named names, but it was sort of evident (as I remember it) that with Crimson, he gave the stereo mixes to Fripp, who released them because he's a completist, and released everything.   With Yes, he seemed to point the finger at the record company, who tacked on the stereo mix as a marketing gimmick, even though it wasn't that different than what came before.   He explicitly said that he wasn't contractually obligated to give the new stereo mix for MC to the band, and he felt that his work didn't improve on what Chris Kimsey did before, so he withheld it.  Apparently he didn't feel so charitable toward the original Brave mix (my CD doesn't say explicitly but it seems that Dave Meegan did the original mix).

As an aside, I don't know if there was a bridge burned or not, but it seems the band is distancing themselves from Meegan (and using Michael Hunter, who was an engineering assistant under Meegan).  It's a shame, because the work with Meegan is my favorite of the Hogarth era:   Brave, Afraid of Sunlight, Anoraknophobia, and Marbles. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on March 26, 2018, 09:07:49 AM
So not sure if anyone else saw this, but Fish was announced for Cruise to the Edge, and in his FB post, he mentions it's "the best chance since 2008 of setting up a tour in the United States and Canada.If we can make this happen I will need as much support as I can possibly get with this as it wil be a huge endeavour. Lets keep our fingers crossed."

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nick on March 26, 2018, 09:11:37 AM
So not sure if anyone else saw this, but Fish was announced for Cruise to the Edge, and in his FB post, he mentions it's "the best chance since 2008 of setting up a tour in the United States and Canada.If we can make this happen I will need as much support as I can possibly get with this as it wil be a huge endeavour. Lets keep our fingers crossed."

I'm hoping he does pull a tour together. Of course I'd love to do the cruise again, but don't know if I'll be able to swing it next year, and seeing him again would go a long way towards not making me feel bad about missing the cruise.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on March 26, 2018, 11:08:42 AM
I saw another post of his where it sounded like said tour would be a continuation of the CaS tour he just did, which would be just way too much for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 27, 2018, 02:34:19 PM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on March 27, 2018, 02:48:49 PM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?

Personally, I put Anaraknophobia on the same level as those two...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on March 27, 2018, 03:22:50 PM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?
I love them all but I'd say .Com, FEAR, Sounds that can't be made.
And Anaraknophobia is damn good as well. As is Afraid of Sunlight.

Oh hell, just buy them all! :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on March 27, 2018, 04:25:23 PM
guys it's called Anoraknophobia, as in "anorak"   ;) 

(https://images.eil.com/large_image/MARILLION_ANORAKNOPHOBIA-184732.jpg)

(https://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1325000/images/_1325340_phonebox300.jpg)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on March 27, 2018, 05:34:05 PM
Ya know....for such a weird name, I don't think missing ONE LETTER is that bad.   It's not like spell check would catch something like that.  :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on March 28, 2018, 06:29:44 AM
Afraid of Sunlight is a stunner. And Radiation is underrated. But, in fairness...

Oh hell, just buy them all! :lol

...is the true correct answer here.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on March 28, 2018, 08:03:53 AM
Afraid of Sunlight is a stunner. And Radiation is underrated. But, in fairness...

AoS was my second Marillion purchase.  It's got some amazing tracks.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 28, 2018, 08:08:33 AM
With the exception of cannibal surf babe, I love Afraid of sunlight, with beautiful being my favorite track on the album
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on March 28, 2018, 08:10:21 AM
With the exception of cannibal surf babe, I love Afraid of sunlight, with beautiful being my favorite track on the album

Eye to eye.. you and me.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: devieira73 on March 28, 2018, 09:06:05 AM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?
IMO stylistic wise, I guess you should go with Afraid, it is the closest from these albums. Personally I love all these mentionated albums e also Seasons End, Holidays (these two are more in Misplaced and Clutching style), This Strange Engine (middle of the road between Brave and Seasons/Holidays), and .com. I have some trouble in really like the Marillion albums after Marbles, although it has some great songs in all of them.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 28, 2018, 09:59:56 AM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?

NO!   DO NOT BUY THEM ALL.   My biggest criticism of H-era Marillion  is that it is so up and down.   If you like Season's End or Clutching you probably do NOT like "Holidays In Eden", for example.  I consider myself a pretty hardcore Marillion fan (having been a fan since MC came out the first time) and I've seen them three times in the H-era (Fish four times solo), and I even bailed on them after This Strange Engine, because it sucked so hard.  Only the curiosity of Marbles (and it's subsequent quality, in my opinion) brought me back into the fold.  And then they almost lost me again with Somewhere Else, Happiness..., and Less is Less.   

If you like Brave and Marbles, stick with the Dave Meegan produced records:   go with Afraid of Sunlight and Anoraknophobia.   Then go with Season's End.  After that, you're kind of throwing darts in the dark. I like "Sounds That Can't Be Made" and "FEAR", but there are no guarantees.  I still think Somewhere Else and Less is Less both suck hard.   Not really a fan of Holidays, even if I like a couple songs (and it translates WAY better live than on record).   Happiness... is okay, but it's basically a two-disk mood record for me.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on March 28, 2018, 11:27:26 AM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?

NO!   DO NOT BUY THEM ALL.   My biggest criticism of H-era Marillion  is that it is so up and down.   If you like Season's End or Clutching you probably do NOT like "Holidays In Eden", for example.  I consider myself a pretty hardcore Marillion fan (having been a fan since MC came out the first time) and I've seen them three times in the H-era (Fish four times solo), and I even bailed on them after This Strange Engine, because it sucked so hard.  Only the curiosity of Marbles (and it's subsequent quality, in my opinion) brought me back into the fold.  And then they almost lost me again with Somewhere Else, Happiness..., and Less is Less.   

If you like Brave and Marbles, stick with the Dave Meegan produced records:   go with Afraid of Sunlight and Anoraknophobia.   Then go with Season's End.  After that, you're kind of throwing darts in the dark. I like "Sounds That Can't Be Made" and "FEAR", but there are no guarantees.  I still think Somewhere Else and Less is Less both suck hard.   Not really a fan of Holidays, even if I like a couple songs (and it translates WAY better live than on record).   Happiness... is okay, but it's basically a two-disk mood record for me.
Buy them all... You heard me...all of them. Each and every one!
If I had to pick my least favorite H album it would be Radiation. But buy it.
AND the song, This Strange Engine is one of the best H era songs ever written!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 28, 2018, 11:55:06 AM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?

NO!   DO NOT BUY THEM ALL.   My biggest criticism of H-era Marillion  is that it is so up and down.   If you like Season's End or Clutching you probably do NOT like "Holidays In Eden", for example.  I consider myself a pretty hardcore Marillion fan (having been a fan since MC came out the first time) and I've seen them three times in the H-era (Fish four times solo), and I even bailed on them after This Strange Engine, because it sucked so hard.  Only the curiosity of Marbles (and it's subsequent quality, in my opinion) brought me back into the fold.  And then they almost lost me again with Somewhere Else, Happiness..., and Less is Less.   

If you like Brave and Marbles, stick with the Dave Meegan produced records:   go with Afraid of Sunlight and Anoraknophobia.   Then go with Season's End.  After that, you're kind of throwing darts in the dark. I like "Sounds That Can't Be Made" and "FEAR", but there are no guarantees.  I still think Somewhere Else and Less is Less both suck hard.   Not really a fan of Holidays, even if I like a couple songs (and it translates WAY better live than on record).   Happiness... is okay, but it's basically a two-disk mood record for me.

You are talkin my language man.

Why does it have to be so wildly all over the place with H-era? I enjoy a lot of the H stuff, but ultimately I prefer Fish, but if every H era album provided stuff on the level of Ocean cloud, then it wouldn't be such a landslide in fish's favor. And I don't mind them playing around with style, but give me something I really can sink my teeth into.

Ocean cloud, Invisible man, and brave stuff. That stuff draws me in and takes me away.

I do really dig Afraid of sunlight and Season end as well. Good stuff. I'll mess around more with Fear and sounds next. I was excited for those albums but they didn't grab me too much upon first listen.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on March 28, 2018, 01:43:37 PM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?

NO!   DO NOT BUY THEM ALL.   My biggest criticism of H-era Marillion  is that it is so up and down.   If you like Season's End or Clutching you probably do NOT like "Holidays In Eden", for example.  I consider myself a pretty hardcore Marillion fan (having been a fan since MC came out the first time) and I've seen them three times in the H-era (Fish four times solo), and I even bailed on them after This Strange Engine, because it sucked so hard.  Only the curiosity of Marbles (and it's subsequent quality, in my opinion) brought me back into the fold.  And then they almost lost me again with Somewhere Else, Happiness..., and Less is Less.   

If you like Brave and Marbles, stick with the Dave Meegan produced records:   go with Afraid of Sunlight and Anoraknophobia.   Then go with Season's End.  After that, you're kind of throwing darts in the dark. I like "Sounds That Can't Be Made" and "FEAR", but there are no guarantees.  I still think Somewhere Else and Less is Less both suck hard.   Not really a fan of Holidays, even if I like a couple songs (and it translates WAY better live than on record).   Happiness... is okay, but it's basically a two-disk mood record for me.

You are talkin my language man.

Why does it have to be so wildly all over the place with H-era? I enjoy a lot of the H stuff, but ultimately I prefer Fish, but if every H era album provided stuff on the level of Ocean cloud, then it wouldn't be such a landslide in fish's favor. And I don't mind them playing around with style, but give me something I really can sink my teeth into.

Ocean cloud, Invisible man, and brave stuff. That stuff draws me in and takes me away.

I do really dig Afraid of sunlight and Season end as well. Good stuff. I'll mess around more with Fear and sounds next. I was excited for those albums but they didn't grab me too much upon first listen.
Meh, don't listen to Stadler. He sits around all day eating stale Cheetos and listening to bootlegs of old Gene Simmons bass solo's.

I heard no one mention the album Marillion.com
That is an amazing album! The songs House and Interior Lulu alone make it worth the purchase.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on March 28, 2018, 06:17:01 PM
 There’s quite a few converts already, but the rest of you need to delve into IQs catalog immediately. Much more consistent. And in many cases even better.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on March 28, 2018, 08:55:20 PM
There’s quite a few converts already, but the rest of you need to delve into IQs catalog immediately. Much more consistent. And in many cases even better.

Agree 100%, but to each their own.  Marillion has some really high highs that I'd put up with anything IQ put out (CaS, Brave), but yes, IQ's run from Ever to present is an unparalleled six album run.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 29, 2018, 09:25:29 AM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?

NO!   DO NOT BUY THEM ALL.   My biggest criticism of H-era Marillion  is that it is so up and down.   If you like Season's End or Clutching you probably do NOT like "Holidays In Eden", for example.  I consider myself a pretty hardcore Marillion fan (having been a fan since MC came out the first time) and I've seen them three times in the H-era (Fish four times solo), and I even bailed on them after This Strange Engine, because it sucked so hard.  Only the curiosity of Marbles (and it's subsequent quality, in my opinion) brought me back into the fold.  And then they almost lost me again with Somewhere Else, Happiness..., and Less is Less.   

If you like Brave and Marbles, stick with the Dave Meegan produced records:   go with Afraid of Sunlight and Anoraknophobia.   Then go with Season's End.  After that, you're kind of throwing darts in the dark. I like "Sounds That Can't Be Made" and "FEAR", but there are no guarantees.  I still think Somewhere Else and Less is Less both suck hard.   Not really a fan of Holidays, even if I like a couple songs (and it translates WAY better live than on record).   Happiness... is okay, but it's basically a two-disk mood record for me.

You are talkin my language man.

Why does it have to be so wildly all over the place with H-era? I enjoy a lot of the H stuff, but ultimately I prefer Fish, but if every H era album provided stuff on the level of Ocean cloud, then it wouldn't be such a landslide in fish's favor. And I don't mind them playing around with style, but give me something I really can sink my teeth into.

Ocean cloud, Invisible man, and brave stuff. That stuff draws me in and takes me away.

I do really dig Afraid of sunlight and Season end as well. Good stuff. I'll mess around more with Fear and sounds next. I was excited for those albums but they didn't grab me too much upon first listen.
Meh, don't listen to Stadler. He sits around all day eating stale Cheetos and listening to bootlegs of old Gene Simmons bass solo's.

I heard no one mention the album Marillion.com
That is an amazing album! The songs House and Interior Lulu alone make it worth the purchase.

This is not entirely untrue.  But in my defense, those two notes are perfect!!  (If you've ever heard a Gene Simmons bass solo, you'll get that joke). 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on March 29, 2018, 10:06:12 AM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?

NO!   DO NOT BUY THEM ALL.   My biggest criticism of H-era Marillion  is that it is so up and down.   If you like Season's End or Clutching you probably do NOT like "Holidays In Eden", for example.  I consider myself a pretty hardcore Marillion fan (having been a fan since MC came out the first time) and I've seen them three times in the H-era (Fish four times solo), and I even bailed on them after This Strange Engine, because it sucked so hard.  Only the curiosity of Marbles (and it's subsequent quality, in my opinion) brought me back into the fold.  And then they almost lost me again with Somewhere Else, Happiness..., and Less is Less.   

If you like Brave and Marbles, stick with the Dave Meegan produced records:   go with Afraid of Sunlight and Anoraknophobia.   Then go with Season's End.  After that, you're kind of throwing darts in the dark. I like "Sounds That Can't Be Made" and "FEAR", but there are no guarantees.  I still think Somewhere Else and Less is Less both suck hard.   Not really a fan of Holidays, even if I like a couple songs (and it translates WAY better live than on record).   Happiness... is okay, but it's basically a two-disk mood record for me.

You are talkin my language man.

Why does it have to be so wildly all over the place with H-era? I enjoy a lot of the H stuff, but ultimately I prefer Fish, but if every H era album provided stuff on the level of Ocean cloud, then it wouldn't be such a landslide in fish's favor. And I don't mind them playing around with style, but give me something I really can sink my teeth into.

Ocean cloud, Invisible man, and brave stuff. That stuff draws me in and takes me away.

I do really dig Afraid of sunlight and Season end as well. Good stuff. I'll mess around more with Fear and sounds next. I was excited for those albums but they didn't grab me too much upon first listen.
Meh, don't listen to Stadler. He sits around all day eating stale Cheetos and listening to bootlegs of old Gene Simmons bass solo's.

I heard no one mention the album Marillion.com
That is an amazing album! The songs House and Interior Lulu alone make it worth the purchase.

This is not entirely untrue.  But in my defense, those two notes are perfect!!  (If you've ever heard a Gene Simmons bass solo, you'll get that joke).
I sure do get it!  :lol My first concert was Kiss in January of 1978. I have seen them many times and I'm a fan.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 29, 2018, 09:00:39 PM
So not sure if anyone else saw this, but Fish was announced for Cruise to the Edge, and in his FB post, he mentions it's "the best chance since 2008 of setting up a tour in the United States and Canada.If we can make this happen I will need as much support as I can possibly get with this as it wil be a huge endeavour. Lets keep our fingers crossed."

Damn! My wife is slacking. She didn't tell me about this. He's repeatedly said he was done with the US. We're there! Not the boat but Philly and NY definitely.  Screw the Marillion stuff I want to Feast of Consequences live.

Rothery's band could open for him.  This is great news if he can pull it off.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 29, 2018, 09:04:42 PM
I saw another post of his where it sounded like said tour would be a continuation of the CaS tour he just did, which would be just way too much for me.

It would be way too much for me too, but not in a good way. I'd have to bring my favorite Clutching official boot (Milan '88) and cleanse myself.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 29, 2018, 09:11:55 PM
Regarding H era, I absolutely love Brave and Marbles. Could anyone recommend what other H era albums are just like those?

NO!   DO NOT BUY THEM ALL.   My biggest criticism of H-era Marillion  is that it is so up and down.   If you like Season's End or Clutching you probably do NOT like "Holidays In Eden", for example.  I consider myself a pretty hardcore Marillion fan (having been a fan since MC came out the first time) and I've seen them three times in the H-era (Fish four times solo), and I even bailed on them after This Strange Engine, because it sucked so hard.  Only the curiosity of Marbles (and it's subsequent quality, in my opinion) brought me back into the fold.  And then they almost lost me again with Somewhere Else, Happiness..., and Less is Less.   

If you like Brave and Marbles, stick with the Dave Meegan produced records:   go with Afraid of Sunlight and Anoraknophobia.   Then go with Season's End.  After that, you're kind of throwing darts in the dark. I like "Sounds That Can't Be Made" and "FEAR", but there are no guarantees.  I still think Somewhere Else and Less is Less both suck hard.   Not really a fan of Holidays, even if I like a couple songs (and it translates WAY better live than on record).   Happiness... is okay, but it's basically a two-disk mood record for me.


Love Holidays In Eden and This Strange Engine is even better. I bailed on them as a huge collector with Brave and intentionally missed the next US Tour because of Brave and Afraid Of Sunlight. Not a fan of Less is More either, but there rest of are either masterpieces or they're in the same neighborhood as masterpieces.  But more often than not, I'd go with a live recording over a studio album anyway.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 29, 2018, 09:16:32 PM
There’s quite a few converts already, but the rest of you need to delve into IQs catalog immediately. Much more consistent. And in many cases even better.

Not into IQ at all. But then I never dug all but a few Fates Warning songs either.

The people who suggested it swore that if I liked Marillion and Dream Theater I'd love IQ and Fates Warning. I hear nothing but possible vague tangential similarities that don't approach the real deal.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on March 29, 2018, 09:47:44 PM
I haven’t heard everything yet.  I only have 4 albums, but all are stellar. 

May I ask what you heard?   Maybe there are albums I won’t like either.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 30, 2018, 08:39:10 AM
I haven’t heard everything yet.  I only have 4 albums, but all are stellar. 

May I ask what you heard?   Maybe there are albums I won’t like either.
Check your PM for a longer and more boring response to this.

I've heard  Ever, Subterranea, Dark Matter and Frequency. Dark Matter I actually held onto for a few years before selling it.

Ever was talked up to me to be "better than Misplaced Childhood." That may not have been the best of introductions as it was probably least favorite of those four that I have experience with.

I'm no bellwether on this band though.  They've been around nearly as long as Marillion (I guess that's a similarity.) So my experience has been very limited.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: NoseofNicko on April 03, 2018, 11:03:49 PM
So today I blind bought Marillion’s Marbles because it’s considered one of their best albums and I love their early albums. I already had it on my computer so I listened to it and really liked it, but then I realized the version of the album I bought is the 2 disc version which includes OCEAN FUCKING CLOUD! I can’t believe they released a version of that album that doesn’t include that song! What a fantastic fucking song!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on April 03, 2018, 11:10:01 PM
So today I blind bought Marillion’s Marbles because it’s considered one of their best albums and I love their early albums. I already had it on my computer so I listened to it and really liked it, but then I realized the version of the album I bought is the 2 disc version which includes OCEAN FUCKING CLOUD! I can’t believe they released a version of that album that doesn’t include that song! What a fantastic fucking song!
Ocean Cloud is so good! In my opinion the 2 disc version is what makes the album worth it. For example the 2 disc version is my favorite album of all time. The single disc version probably wouldn't crack my top 100.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 04, 2018, 05:34:20 AM
Ocean Cloud  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Fritzinger on April 04, 2018, 06:01:12 AM
Ocean Cloud is one of the best Marillion songs ever imo.

It is also one of the few Marillion 15min+ songs that follow a leitmotif, if not the only one. Most Marillion longtracks are just short songs played after another (Gaza, the ones on Fear, Montreal, Invisible Man, Grendel, Strange Engine, Interior Lulu). I am not saying these songs are bad, but Ocean Cloud is the only song which makes 100% sense as a SONG.

I will have to get the new Marbles vinyl version with the full album. I dont know why they would release only half the album and leave out the album's best song.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on April 04, 2018, 07:38:48 AM
So today I blind bought Marillion’s Marbles because it’s considered one of their best albums and I love their early albums. I already had it on my computer so I listened to it and really liked it, but then I realized the version of the album I bought is the 2 disc version which includes OCEAN FUCKING CLOUD! I can’t believe they released a version of that album that doesn’t include that song! What a fantastic fucking song!
Ocean Cloud is so good! In my opinion the 2 disc version is what makes the album worth it. For example the 2 disc version is my favorite album of all time. The single disc version probably wouldn't crack my top 100.

Still, Invisible Man and Neverland are also all-timers.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on April 04, 2018, 08:49:18 AM
So today I blind bought Marillion’s Marbles because it’s considered one of their best albums and I love their early albums. I already had it on my computer so I listened to it and really liked it, but then I realized the version of the album I bought is the 2 disc version which includes OCEAN FUCKING CLOUD! I can’t believe they released a version of that album that doesn’t include that song! What a fantastic fucking song!
Ocean Cloud is so good! In my opinion the 2 disc version is what makes the album worth it. For example the 2 disc version is my favorite album of all time. The single disc version probably wouldn't crack my top 100.

Still, Invisible Man and Neverland are also all-timers.
No doubt. I love those songs too. But I think the album suffers from not have The Only Unforgivable Thing, Ocean Cloud, and Angelina. The flow of the album makes more sense to me on the 2 disc version as well and makes the ending with Neverland much more powerful.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on April 04, 2018, 08:59:54 AM
Honestly?  I love Marbles, it got me back into the band after falling out with them over the abysmal "This Strange Engine", but after buying the two disk version, and hearing it, I was like "How could they put out a single version without "The Damage" and "Genie"???

I think Ocean Cloud is good, but it's in the top three of "Most Overrated Marillion Songs", along with Grendel and, maybe, Freaks.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on April 04, 2018, 09:03:35 AM
So today I blind bought Marillion’s Marbles because it’s considered one of their best albums and I love their early albums. I already had it on my computer so I listened to it and really liked it, but then I realized the version of the album I bought is the 2 disc version which includes OCEAN FUCKING CLOUD! I can’t believe they released a version of that album that doesn’t include that song! What a fantastic fucking song!
Ocean Cloud is so good! In my opinion the 2 disc version is what makes the album worth it. For example the 2 disc version is my favorite album of all time. The single disc version probably wouldn't crack my top 100.

Still, Invisible Man and Neverland are also all-timers.
No doubt. I love those songs too. But I think the album suffers from not have The Only Unforgivable Thing, Ocean Cloud, and Angelina. The flow of the album makes more sense to me on the 2 disc version as well and makes the ending with Neverland much more powerful.

I'm still not 1000% sure how each song fits, and even IF each song fits, but if you listen to Hogarth on the DVD, I think it's "Colors and Sound", I have reason to believe that "The Only Unforgivable Thing" is sort of the thematic key to the whole record.  He's never come clean on it, but I believe that Marbles is a document of Hogarth's marriage/divorce.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on April 04, 2018, 10:09:53 AM
There may be some significance as well in the fact that H quotes the opening lines of The Only Unforgivable Thing as his spoken contribution to Dream Theater's Repentance.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on April 04, 2018, 10:27:31 AM
So today I blind bought Marillion’s Marbles because it’s considered one of their best albums and I love their early albums. I already had it on my computer so I listened to it and really liked it, but then I realized the version of the album I bought is the 2 disc version which includes OCEAN FUCKING CLOUD! I can’t believe they released a version of that album that doesn’t include that song! What a fantastic fucking song!
Ocean Cloud is so good! In my opinion the 2 disc version is what makes the album worth it. For example the 2 disc version is my favorite album of all time. The single disc version probably wouldn't crack my top 100.

Still, Invisible Man and Neverland are also all-timers.
No doubt. I love those songs too. But I think the album suffers from not have The Only Unforgivable Thing, Ocean Cloud, and Angelina. The flow of the album makes more sense to me on the 2 disc version as well and makes the ending with Neverland much more powerful.

I'm still not 1000% sure how each song fits, and even IF each song fits, but if you listen to Hogarth on the DVD, I think it's "Colors and Sound", I have reason to believe that "The Only Unforgivable Thing" is sort of the thematic key to the whole record.  He's never come clean on it, but I believe that Marbles is a document of Hogarth's marriage/divorce.

From my album discussion on mp.com:

"I’ve often looked at Marbles as being two sides to a story, or a story that presents two different outcomes based on what choice is made.  For instance, Genie and The Damage present the choice scenarios, and the rest of each disc deals with what happens when those choices are made.  The disc one story begins with the character letting the genie out of the box by acting on his impulses to cheat on his significant other. The consequences being his marriage fails, which causes everything around him to crumble, and he’s left with nothing but bitterness, isolation, and feeling adrift on a vast ocean.  Disc two, he resists the urge to cheat on his wife, and in the end, realizes that he made the right decision.  Now, obviously there are different things going on, but it seems plausible."
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 05, 2018, 06:22:17 PM
Honestly?  I love Marbles, it got me back into the band after falling out with them over the abysmal "This Strange Engine", but after buying the two disk version, and hearing it, I was like "How could they put out a single version without "The Damage" and "Genie"???

I think Ocean Cloud is good, but it's in the top three of "Most Overrated Marillion Songs", along with Grendel and, maybe, Freaks.

Ocean Cloud is OK, but I never thought it was a stand out on that album. There's at least a few tracks I'd rather hear more...Neverland being one of them.

Grendel is probably my least favorite Fish-Marillion song while I Freaks is among my favorites.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on April 05, 2018, 09:45:12 PM
Most overrated Fish song to me goes to almost everything from Script. I just don’t get it.   I love MC, and love Clutching even more.   But what people see in The Web and Garden Party and Chelsea Monday....it just baffles me.   I really really like He Knows You Know.  But everything else from that album is either really meh and disjointed or just plain annoying.   

I suppose it doesn’t help that I really don’t like Fish’s voice.  But that doesn’t usually bother me that much.  I mean, Perry Farrell is a TERRIBLE singer, but for some reason I absolutely love Jane’s Addiction.   I guess that when “all the stars align” (to coin a term) the rest of what’s going on can overshadow that one weak point.   But on Script I just don’t see where everything else does that.  And it’s not just his voice that’s bad...sometimes his phrasing and timing is just not pleasant.    But all the cylinders fire perfectly on MC and CAS.  :shrug:

EDIT - I want to say that in spite of all that, I do still occasionally spin those albums because what Fish lacks in vocal talent, he makes up for in poetry.   I’ll give him that.   He’s a brilliant wordsmith.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 06, 2018, 11:04:46 AM
I'll confess, when it comes down to it and Epics from my favorite band, I still lean towards Grendel and Ocean Cloud along with The Invisible Man.

Then again Misplaced Childhood to me is a huge SUITE anyway, so that in a way is their best epic overall.

I made a list (https://allmediareviews.blogspot.com/2015/12/top-10-lists-watchmojocom-will-not-make.html) a few years ago anyway.


Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 16, 2018, 06:42:19 PM
Most overrated Fish song to me goes to almost everything from Script. I just don’t get it.   I love MC, and love Clutching even more.   But what people see in The Web and Garden Party and Chelsea Monday....it just baffles me.   I really really like He Knows You Know.  But everything else from that album is either really meh and disjointed or just plain annoying.   

I suppose it doesn’t help that I really don’t like Fish’s voice.  But that doesn’t usually bother me that much.  I mean, Perry Farrell is a TERRIBLE singer, but for some reason I absolutely love Jane’s Addiction.   I guess that when “all the stars align” (to coin a term) the rest of what’s going on can overshadow that one weak point.   But on Script I just don’t see where everything else does that.  And it’s not just his voice that’s bad...sometimes his phrasing and timing is just not pleasant.    But all the cylinders fire perfectly on MC and CAS.  :shrug:

EDIT - I want to say that in spite of all that, I do still occasionally spin those albums because what Fish lacks in vocal talent, he makes up for in poetry.   I’ll give him that.   He’s a brilliant wordsmith.

I don't really like the way the vocals were produced on Script.

 Part of that might have been the lack of experience of what they were trying to get at. The live gigs around that time were a different story. I think a lot of the time Fish just went for it and his incredible passion got him through. I sure don't wonder why his voice didn't hold up in later years.(Though not really taking care of his voice didn't help much either.)

I love those early live recordings. I'm not sure I even remember the last time I put that studio album on (Not really a fan of the whole production either.) I'm more inclined to just pull out one of the live gigs and just marvel at the band performance.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on May 21, 2018, 08:50:23 PM
I finally picked up FEAR.  I actually really like this record so far, but it's quite a bit to digest.   Only 6 songs, and 3 of them over 15 minutes?  One is almost 20?     And the longer pieces (on first listen) tend to meander a bit, but the individual sections are pretty strong.  I have a feeling it's going to grow on me.

Ironically, the weak point on this album is Hogarth.   When he's in his range, he's got beautiful tone.   But he occasionally hits some very sour "off key" notes on this one.   I'm not sure if he left these in intentionally (because the occasional voice crack can be just an emotional moment), but I noticed a few and I just found them a bit grating. 

Going back to the IQ comparison, I will say that Peter Nichols started out sounding like an amatuer, but his voice has matured so amazing that I would say it's the greatest improvement of "younger self vs older self" that I've ever heard.   Hogarth OTOH started out being a huge improvement over Fish (singing talent wise) and has now started to show some serious signs of wear.   

All in all, it's still a pretty good album and I'm sure it's going to grow on me.     (IQ's last two albums are still better.   :rollin )
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on May 21, 2018, 09:14:23 PM
 

Going back to the IQ comparison, I will say that Peter Nichols started out sounding like an amatuer, but his voice has matured so amazing that I would say it's the greatest improvement of "younger self vs older self" that I've ever heard.   Hogarth OTOH started out being a huge improvement over Fish (singing talent wise) and has now started to show some serious signs of wear.   

All in all, it's still a pretty good album and I'm sure it's going to grow on me.     (IQ's last two albums are still better.   :rollin )

Yeah, the change that happened to Nichols in the period where he left the band for Nadim's Ghost is shocking to say the least. His growth between The Wake and Ever made me speechless when I heard it. (my first IQ album was actually Are You Sitting Comfortably, a Paul Menel album, and I worked my way back to the Nichols albums before Ever came out)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on May 21, 2018, 10:56:38 PM
 

Going back to the IQ comparison, I will say that Peter Nichols started out sounding like an amatuer, but his voice has matured so amazing that I would say it's the greatest improvement of "younger self vs older self" that I've ever heard.   Hogarth OTOH started out being a huge improvement over Fish (singing talent wise) and has now started to show some serious signs of wear.   

All in all, it's still a pretty good album and I'm sure it's going to grow on me.     (IQ's last two albums are still better.   :rollin )

Yeah, the change that happened to Nichols in the period where he left the band for Nadim's Ghost is shocking to say the least. His growth between The Wake and Ever made me speechless when I heard it. (my first IQ album was actually Are You Sitting Comfortably, a Paul Menel album, and I worked my way back to the Nichols albums before Ever came out)

Where you REALLY see the difference is when you hear modern live versions of older material.   I just recently saw a (fairly recent) live performance of Last Human Gateway, and right from the intro it was obvious how much he had improved from his younger self.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on May 22, 2018, 08:25:09 AM
Totally man. Really hoping he bust a few older tracks out when I see them in October, I'd love to hear the middle part of Human Gateway or Enemy Smacks as a treat. Whatever I get I'll be pleased with, but a man can wish, right?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 26, 2018, 01:06:21 PM
I finally picked up FEAR.  I actually really like this record so far, but it's quite a bit to digest.   Only 6 songs, and 3 of them over 15 minutes?  One is almost 20?     And the longer pieces (on first listen) tend to meander a bit, but the individual sections are pretty strong.  I have a feeling it's going to grow on me.

Ironically, the weak point on this album is Hogarth.   When he's in his range, he's got beautiful tone.   But he occasionally hits some very sour "off key" notes on this one.   I'm not sure if he left these in intentionally (because the occasional voice crack can be just an emotional moment), but I noticed a few and I just found them a bit grating. 


Not that I don't love the studio album (I do and it's a favorite) but the real genius of this album comes across live (For me anyway)

I generally don't have much of an opinion on long songs other than I think the really amazing ones seem to be over before they should be and the ones that aren't are fairly easy to notice. But your mileage may vary.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 26, 2018, 03:48:03 PM

Ironically, the weak point on this album is Hogarth.   When he's in his range, he's got beautiful tone.   But he occasionally hits some very sour "off key" notes on this one.   I'm not sure if he left these in intentionally (because the occasional voice crack can be just an emotional moment), but I noticed a few and I just found them a bit grating. 


I find it really refreshing to hear a singer who doesnt artificially perfect all of his singing in the studio.  For a 60 year old giving a very honest and unenhanced performance I think he does great.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on May 31, 2018, 04:40:50 PM
Marillion reference in the second season of Shooter on Netflix, Ep5, about 29 minutes in. They namedrop the band with Brave playing in the background. Earlier in the episode the guy is trying to prove his identity by asking the question "who is the greatest band ever?"

Someone on the show is a huge fan  :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on May 31, 2018, 07:59:51 PM
They got name-dropped on Sports Center once; I want to say it was John Buccigross, but I could be wrong. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 02, 2018, 09:17:47 AM

Ironically, the weak point on this album is Hogarth.   When he's in his range, he's got beautiful tone.   But he occasionally hits some very sour "off key" notes on this one.   I'm not sure if he left these in intentionally (because the occasional voice crack can be just an emotional moment), but I noticed a few and I just found them a bit grating. 


I find it really refreshing to hear a singer who doesnt artificially perfect all of his singing in the studio.  For a 60 year old giving a very honest and unenhanced performance I think he does great.

Other than Season's End, Holidays In Eden, This Strange Engine, Radiation and Marbles I really haven't liked Hogarth's voice until about 5 years ago.   For me, I think he's settled into a nice sweet spot, especially live.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 04, 2018, 02:30:36 AM
Listening to Afraid of sunlight now and I finally get why everybody loves this one so much. It's a real thing of beauty. Hogarth's albums have always been a hit or miss with me, but this one, Season's End, Brave and sounds that can't be made are all great.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Fritzinger on June 04, 2018, 03:08:44 AM
Listening to Afraid of sunlight now and I finally get why everybody loves this one so much. It's a real thing of beauty. Hogarth's albums have always been a hit or miss with me, but this one, Season's End, Brave and sounds that can't be made are all great.

I don't know everything by them yet (most of it though), but I always liked the H era more than the Fish era. While the Fish era was always very (very) Genesis inspired, I feel like they found their own sound with H. Sounds That Can't Be Made, Marbles (duh), Anoraknophobia and Happiness Is The Road (just good pop stuff) are my favorites. For me it's not a hit of miss for albums though. Sometimes there are great songs on albums I otherwise don't care for.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mindflux on June 04, 2018, 07:07:55 AM
Listening to Afraid of sunlight now and I finally get why everybody loves this one so much. It's a real thing of beauty. Hogarth's albums have always been a hit or miss with me, but this one, Season's End, Brave and sounds that can't be made are all great.

AoS was my first Marillion album.  It's not my favorite one, but it's got a lot of good tracks on it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 04, 2018, 07:37:02 AM
Listening to Afraid of sunlight now and I finally get why everybody loves this one so much. It's a real thing of beauty. Hogarth's albums have always been a hit or miss with me, but this one, Season's End, Brave and sounds that can't be made are all great.

I don't know everything by them yet (most of it though), but I always liked the H era more than the Fish era. While the Fish era was always very (very) Genesis inspired, I feel like they found their own sound with H. Sounds That Can't Be Made, Marbles (duh), Anoraknophobia and Happiness Is The Road (just good pop stuff) are my favorites. For me it's not a hit of miss for albums though. Sometimes there are great songs on albums I otherwise don't care for.

No, no, no.    Yes, Fish sounded a little like a cross between Gabriel and Collins, and you have moments - the ending section of Grendel, the intro to "He Knows You Know", but Fish-era Marillion was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more influenced by Pink Floyd than Genesis (this is, in my opinion, why there is a Floyd album on the cover to "Fugazi" and not a "Genesis" album).  Hell, the Sugar Mice solo is almost a direct lift of "Mother". 

I was in on Marillion since about '84, '85, so for me, going through the breakup, it was tough.  I LOVED Season's End (saw the tour), but HATED Holiday's In Eden (saw that tour as well).    I really liked Brave but it took a while to get into, and honestly I hated, HATED Afraid... when I first heard it.  Then I REALLY hated "This Strange Engine", so much so that I gave up on Marillion until Marbles came out.  To this day I still hate TSE, though Afraid... has grown on me, and around the time of the two-disk remasters, it really clicked with me and now it's one of my favorites. 

I rarely ever say this about any band, but I think I wish Marillion to work with Dave Meegan again as much or moreso than I would ever want them to work with Fish again (I love Fish, seen him three times solo, but I just think he's a spent force creatively at this point).   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on June 04, 2018, 07:37:58 PM
Meegan very clearly brings out the best in the band.  The 4 albums he's done with them are my 4 favorite Marilliom albums.  Would be stoked for them to hook up with him again but also nervous of such an unbelievable track record being tarnished.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 05, 2018, 01:25:01 AM
What Fish lacked in vocal skills he made up for in spades with expression and theatrics. I can't see Hogarth in a harlequin costume and facepaint, for some reason. What I especially like about the sound on AOS is that the band almost sounds like Classic Marillion.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 05, 2018, 06:46:34 PM
Listening to Afraid of sunlight now and I finally get why everybody loves this one so much. It's a real thing of beauty. Hogarth's albums have always been a hit or miss with me, but this one, Season's End, Brave and sounds that can't be made are all great.

I've kind of had an epiphany with Afraid of Sunlight over the last five years or so.

Didn't like Brave at all and then this comes out. Cannibal Surf Babe?  Really?  Pretty much killed the Marillion collector instinct I once had.

The only song I really liked out of the box was King and maybe Gazpacho.  It took a few times hearing some of the songs live for them to register a pulse for me. (Still not happening with Brave although the songs are a LITTLE better.) So I guess I consider about half of the album now to be pretty much classic Hogarth-Marillion for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 05, 2018, 06:54:17 PM
I love Fish, seen him three times solo, but I just think he's a spent force creatively at this point).

I feel pretty confident in saying you haven't listened to Feast of Consequences or The Movable Feast (The live album) yet. I think he's at a creative peak myself.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 05, 2018, 07:45:23 PM
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Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 05, 2018, 08:26:35 PM
I love Fish, seen him three times solo, but I just think he's a spent force creatively at this point).

I feel pretty confident in saying you haven't listened to Feast of Consequences or The Movable Feast (The live album) yet. I think he's at a creative peak myself.

Yeah, the High Wood Suite is one of his strongest pieces ever.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 06, 2018, 09:32:11 AM
I have FoC (despite what I said, I support Fish as an artist, and while I don't buy everything, I do try to buy his main releases just as a show of support), and it's okay.   I'd be more than willing to go back and re-listen to it.   13th Star was pretty good.  I liked it very much even if the surrounding drama seemed to overwhelm it a little bit.   

As for Afraid of Sunlight, I was with you on the "Cannibal Surf Babe"; it was for many years the "Whodunnit?" of the Marillion catalogue for me.  Then I dug into the song and what they were going for - a Beach Boys pastiche with a rather dissonant lyric about, well, I'm not 1000% sure, beyond the Brian Wilson references - and it made a lot more sense.   I actually like it now.   That whole album is WAYY deeper than it seems on the surface, what with the lyrical content (generally about the down- or dark-side of fame) and the sonic homages (one song, I think it's King, is in a mono "Wall of Sound" arrangement, ala Phil Spector)...  it's really grown on me.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on June 06, 2018, 01:50:08 PM

As for Afraid of Sunlight, I was with you on the "Cannibal Surf Babe"; it was for many years the "Whodunnit?" of the Marillion catalogue for me.  Then I dug into the song and what they were going for - a Beach Boys pastiche with a rather dissonant lyric about, well, I'm not 1000% sure, beyond the Brian Wilson references - and it made a lot more sense.   I actually like it now.   That whole album is WAYY deeper than it seems on the surface, what with the lyrical content (generally about the down- or dark-side of fame) and the sonic homages (one song, I think it's King, is in a mono "Wall of Sound" arrangement, ala Phil Spector)...  it's really grown on me.

Beyond You is the one mixed in mono.  Dave Meegan really nailed the Phil Spector wall of sound vibe. 

I've loved AOS since my first listen on a bus in the Netherlands in the summer of 1995.  One of my favorite music listening experiences happened a few years later when I got to listen to it on headphones while driving from Las Vegas to the Grand Canyon.  In the remaster liner notes Hogarth talks about how the album sort of drifted off in the general direction of Arizona.  Listening to it while driving through Northern Arizona, I had to agree.  I'd also like to listen to it while driving from Los Angeles to Vegas.  I think it would be the perfect soundtrack for that. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on June 12, 2018, 08:25:04 AM
I picked up the Steven Wilson remix of Brave this past weekend, and I'm listening to it for the first time this morning.  It's interesting to hear this after being so familiar with the original album mix.  It's interesting to hear his take on things, and hear little bits and pieces he brought out that Dave Meegan either didn't use or kept in the background.  I watched the documentary on it last night as well, and man, if I could have been a fly on the wall during those sessions...

Brave is in my top 5 all time favorite albums.  I love the songs, I love the album, I love all the little bits of things they did to add to the vibe of the record.  I really think they made a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: DTA on June 12, 2018, 02:30:13 PM
I'm always so jealous of bands that were able to record in the 80's/90's. I know Brave was recorded in a castle in France somewhere and the band just stayed in the castle and utilized the vibe/ambience of the place to help influence the recording. Or Dream Theater living at Beartracks in beautiful upstate NY. I record in a goddamn bedroom.

I really want to hear the Brave remix but I just can't get myself to spend the money for something I already own.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on June 12, 2018, 05:48:16 PM
I'm always so jealous of bands that were able to record in the 80's/90's. I know Brave was recorded in a castle in France somewhere and the band just stayed in the castle and utilized the vibe/ambience of the place to help influence the recording.

I can definitely hear that in the title track..
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 13, 2018, 07:38:35 PM
I have FoC (despite what I said, I support Fish as an artist, and while I don't buy everything, I do try to buy his main releases just as a show of support), and it's okay.   I'd be more than willing to go back and re-listen to it.   13th Star was pretty good.  I liked it very much even if the surrounding drama seemed to overwhelm it a little bit.   

As for Afraid of Sunlight, I was with you on the "Cannibal Surf Babe"; it was for many years the "Whodunnit?" of the Marillion catalogue for me.  Then I dug into the song and what they were going for - a Beach Boys pastiche with a rather dissonant lyric about, well, I'm not 1000% sure, beyond the Brian Wilson references - and it made a lot more sense.   I actually like it now.   That whole album is WAYY deeper than it seems on the surface, what with the lyrical content (generally about the down- or dark-side of fame) and the sonic homages (one song, I think it's King, is in a mono "Wall of Sound" arrangement, ala Phil Spector)...  it's really grown on me.

Aside from the obvious. A lot of those songs are pretty amazing live after some repeated listens.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 13, 2018, 07:41:20 PM
I picked up the Steven Wilson remix of Brave this past weekend, and I'm listening to it for the first time this morning.  It's interesting to hear this after being so familiar with the original album mix.  It's interesting to hear his take on things, and hear little bits and pieces he brought out that Dave Meegan either didn't use or kept in the background.  I watched the documentary on it last night as well, and man, if I could have been a fly on the wall during those sessions...

Brave is in my top 5 all time favorite albums.  I love the songs, I love the album, I love all the little bits of things they did to add to the vibe of the record.  I really think they made a masterpiece.



This is the only Marillion album I will not be reacquiring.


I should probably sell off my promo cassette now that I think of it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 13, 2018, 07:43:11 PM
I love Fish, seen him three times solo, but I just think he's a spent force creatively at this point).

I feel pretty confident in saying you haven't listened to Feast of Consequences or The Movable Feast (The live album) yet. I think he's at a creative peak myself.

Yeah, the High Wood Suite is one of his strongest pieces ever.

Sadly, I don't think I'll ever have the experience of soaking that in at a venue.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 28, 2018, 11:08:28 AM
brief update on the final Fish album "Weltschmerz"
https://fishmusic.scot/weltschmerz-updates-waverley-steps-lyric-section/

50 minutes of music have been written, approximately.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 29, 2018, 01:51:32 AM
That looks very promising!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Tick on June 29, 2018, 08:40:44 AM
I love Fish, seen him three times solo, but I just think he's a spent force creatively at this point).

I feel pretty confident in saying you haven't listened to Feast of Consequences or The Movable Feast (The live album) yet. I think he's at a creative peak myself.

Yeah, the High Wood Suite is one of his strongest pieces ever.
It is awesome! Even if one of the tracks sounds like the theme from Gilligans island!  :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 30, 2018, 12:41:35 PM
brief update on the final Fish album "Weltschmerz"
https://fishmusic.scot/weltschmerz-updates-waverley-steps-lyric-section/

50 minutes of music have been written, approximately.

I hope he takes his time with it. I'd want the last one to be as best as it can be.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on August 14, 2018, 03:12:39 PM
I touched the lizard...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on August 14, 2018, 03:17:13 PM
I touched the lizard...

with the crimson veil?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on August 14, 2018, 03:22:12 PM
(https://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r47/jammindude/FE5BD51A-AFDF-479A-8FAD-A610C6DF55C5_zpstye2ah3i.jpg)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ProfessorPeart on September 06, 2018, 02:20:13 PM
Clutching At Straws Deluxe Edition. This is a remix and remaster.

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/remast43.htm

(https://www.marillion.com/prodimages//prod/2008.jpg)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on September 06, 2018, 03:44:46 PM
Ordered mine today from Marillion”s site.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 06, 2018, 06:16:02 PM
Clutching At Straws Deluxe Edition. This is a remix and remaster.

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/remast43.htm

(https://www.marillion.com/prodimages//prod/2008.jpg)

I don't drool over much these days, but the full Edinburgh gig has me all wet.

12 weeks away.....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on September 09, 2018, 08:07:57 PM
Is that unreleased?  Was there another gig in Edinburgh released? Or tracks from it?  It sounds familiar, but I didn't see it in my 1,429 Marillion CDs.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on September 09, 2018, 08:50:27 PM
my 1,429 Marillion CDs.
I know this is an exaggeration, but still, Marillion has over 220 official releases, including EP's, live releases, and singles. This doesn't include the over 100 bootlegs floating around out there or compilations...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 10, 2018, 03:22:26 AM
my 1,429 Marillion CDs.
I know this is an exaggeration, but still, Marillion has over 220 official releases, including EP's, live releases, and singles. This doesn't include the over 100 bootlegs floating around out there or compilations...

And that's one of the reasons I love 'em. Other bands could learn a thing or two about how to release high-quality live albums to a relatively small fanbase (I'm looking at you, DT...)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ? on September 10, 2018, 06:22:00 AM
Clutching At Straws Deluxe Edition. This is a remix and remaster.

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/remast43.htm

(https://www.marillion.com/prodimages//prod/2008.jpg)
Preordered!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SwedishGoose on September 10, 2018, 09:48:32 AM
Preordered from Fish
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 12, 2018, 05:45:25 AM
new Fish single

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoVXsj__jbY
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 13, 2018, 05:34:49 PM
Is that unreleased?  Was there another gig in Edinburgh released? Or tracks from it?  It sounds familiar, but I didn't see it in my 1,429 Marillion CDs.

A few tracks ended up on Thieving Magpie and that show may have been an edited radio broadcast. (Not near that shelf)

They have played Edinburgh quite a bit as you might expect.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 13, 2018, 05:44:06 PM
Preordered from Fish

As with Misplaced Childhood, I pre-ordered from both. 

Personally, I needed to have these two deluxe releases signed by everyone who was a part of it. (And yes I know the band is just doing a print. Too bad they couldn't have coordinated this better to make it work (like the print from Early Stages) but Fish will be on tour.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 30, 2018, 04:16:31 PM
So Steve Rothery Band has a gig coming up in Uden next week, and just posted this quick clip from the rehearsal. Seems they're busting out some really old stuff...

https://www.facebook.com/therealsteverothery/videos/10157851421335968/ (https://www.facebook.com/therealsteverothery/videos/10157851421335968/)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: DTA on September 30, 2018, 04:32:27 PM
I think it’s so cool that Steve is cool with doing tons of Fish era stuff in his solo band sets. I feel like lots of musicians are hesitant about playing older material or stuff from a different era, but he seems to be embracing it and enjoying it. It’s like having two versions of Marillion but with an actual original member.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 04, 2018, 05:31:12 PM
So Steve Rothery Band has a gig coming up in Uden next week, and just posted this quick clip from the rehearsal. Seems they're busting out some really old stuff...

https://www.facebook.com/therealsteverothery/videos/10157851421335968/ (https://www.facebook.com/therealsteverothery/videos/10157851421335968/)

That's what he's been doing. He's the only one who I think should even be attempting that stuff now.

Closest he's coming to me is Mexico so I'm never going to see him.

By the way, the new Fish EP is pretty amazing, The first thing that hooked me was the live tracks and then the 3 studio tracks in reverse order. lead seems to be weaker than the others but even that is growing on me.

 I need a live DVD like now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 04, 2018, 11:05:13 AM
Anyone get their signed Clutching print yet?  Got mine this week as a reminder that I'm going to have this in my hands in just a few weeks.

It's similar to the signed print for the Early Stages box. I just wish circumstances allowed for Fish to sign the same one. Would have been nice to have the signatures in the same place again this time, but I guess that's how it's going to have to be. I can live with Fish signing his copy. I'd have preferred Marillion do the same like they did with Misplaced Childhood, but another framed print wouldn't look bad hanging on the wall either.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 10, 2018, 08:57:29 AM
Apparently, these are shipping early. Just got notification. Anyone get there's yet?  I think I'm going to enjoy the live show first, then dig into the documentary.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on November 26, 2018, 06:54:48 AM
Mark Kelly had to miss last night's show in Essen after being hit by a truck. Four broken ribs. https://www.loudersound.com/news/marillions-mark-kelly-misses-show-after-being-hit-by-truck?fbclid=IwAR1v6R4UeBzKctv7OtSCnJou01KMoLbirqLTf3RhinTMbBKhbOcp93lSJJ8 (https://www.loudersound.com/news/marillions-mark-kelly-misses-show-after-being-hit-by-truck?fbclid=IwAR1v6R4UeBzKctv7OtSCnJou01KMoLbirqLTf3RhinTMbBKhbOcp93lSJJ8)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 03, 2018, 04:19:40 PM
Mark Kelly had to miss last night's show in Essen after being hit by a truck. Four broken ribs. https://www.loudersound.com/news/marillions-mark-kelly-misses-show-after-being-hit-by-truck?fbclid=IwAR1v6R4UeBzKctv7OtSCnJou01KMoLbirqLTf3RhinTMbBKhbOcp93lSJJ8 (https://www.loudersound.com/news/marillions-mark-kelly-misses-show-after-being-hit-by-truck?fbclid=IwAR1v6R4UeBzKctv7OtSCnJou01KMoLbirqLTf3RhinTMbBKhbOcp93lSJJ8)

He went out for a few pints with Trewavas so I'm glad he's OK.

Edinburgh is a KILLER show.  Don't know if it beats Milan but it's in the same neighborhood. I love that intro to Fugazi. 

The doc is a bit of a letdown. The guy who wrote the first Marillion bio Mick Wall seemed to be asking "rock star" questions and Marillion aren't that.

The Clutching remix is interesting. Kind of revisionist, but it's a cool listen now and again.

That live show is the gem though for me.

Still waiting on the signed one from Fish.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on December 04, 2018, 07:30:36 AM
I ordered from Fish too; I got the EP within about three days (Edinburgh to Hartford, CT; that's INSANE.)   But he posted a picture of his wife with a table full of Clutching sets, so I think they are coming soon!

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 06, 2018, 04:56:00 PM
I ordered from Fish too; I got the EP within about three days (Edinburgh to Hartford, CT; that's INSANE.)   But he posted a picture of his wife with a table full of Clutching sets, so I think they are coming soon!

They day after I saw that photo the copy I got from Marillion showed up. I wasn't getting antsy about it until I saw that photo. Fortunately I only had to wait a day.

That EP is a grower.  I really like it now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 11, 2018, 05:33:11 PM
I ordered from Fish too; I got the EP within about three days (Edinburgh to Hartford, CT; that's INSANE.)   But he posted a picture of his wife with a table full of Clutching sets, so I think they are coming soon!

They day after I saw that photo the copy I got from Marillion showed up. I wasn't getting antsy about it until I saw that photo. Fortunately I only had to wait a day.

That EP is a grower.  I really like it now.

Fish's signed copy arrived yesterday.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: hockeydude25 on March 13, 2019, 06:22:29 PM
Bitter Suite from misplaced childhood is an incredible song.  So atmospheric.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 19, 2019, 08:17:31 PM
Bitter Suite from misplaced childhood is an incredible song.  So atmospheric.

The whole album is a stone cold masterpiece.....especially live.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 20, 2019, 06:35:26 AM
Bitter Suite from misplaced childhood is an incredible song.  So atmospheric.

The whole album is a stone cold masterpiece.....especially live.

No doubt, and then the band goes and tops it with Clutching (As of yesterday, a Top Three Stadler album of all time).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: KevShmev on March 20, 2019, 08:03:06 AM
I've come around to liking some of Marillion's music, after initially being bored to tears with it, and I would agree that Bitter Suite is very good. The back-to-back of that and Heart of Lothian is, for me, the highlight of Misplaced Childhood.  The rest of the album is solid, with some good moments like the end of Blind Curve, but I think I have a tough time connecting with Fish's vocals.  There are too many moments where I feel like the vocal melodies hold the song back, almost like a more emotional delivery could have really made a difference; Fish's style is too sterile for me, more often than not.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 20, 2019, 10:43:27 AM
I've come around to liking some of Marillion's music, after initially being bored to tears with it, and I would agree that Bitter Suite is very good. The back-to-back of that and Heart of Lothian is, for me, the highlight of Misplaced Childhood.  The rest of the album is solid, with some good moments like the end of Blind Curve, but I think I have a tough time connecting with Fish's vocals.  There are too many moments where I feel like the vocal melodies hold the song back, almost like a more emotional delivery could have really made a difference; Fish's style is too sterile for me, more often than not.

If you replace "Fish" with "Hogarth", that's me, even if the moments where Hogarth shines eclipses those of Fish.  Fish couldn't sing "The Space" on his best day, but there's something about the passion and fire of "White Russian" or "Wide Boys" is really satisfying.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 22, 2019, 08:52:28 PM
Bitter Suite from misplaced childhood is an incredible song.  So atmospheric.

The whole album is a stone cold masterpiece.....especially live.

No doubt, and then the band goes and tops it with Clutching (As of yesterday, a Top Three Stadler album of all time).

Not going to argue that having repeated listened to it and shows from that tour on many many many late night drives back home from somewhere.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 22, 2019, 08:57:10 PM
I've come around to liking some of Marillion's music, after initially being bored to tears with it, and I would agree that Bitter Suite is very good. The back-to-back of that and Heart of Lothian is, for me, the highlight of Misplaced Childhood.  The rest of the album is solid, with some good moments like the end of Blind Curve, but I think I have a tough time connecting with Fish's vocals.  There are too many moments where I feel like the vocal melodies hold the song back, almost like a more emotional delivery could have really made a difference; Fish's style is too sterile for me, more often than not.

If you replace "Fish" with "Hogarth", that's me, even if the moments where Hogarth shines eclipses those of Fish.  Fish couldn't sing "The Space" on his best day, but there's something about the passion and fire of "White Russian" or "Wide Boys" is really satisfying.

Fish can't sing, but that really isn't the point is it......

Hogarth has gotten better with age even though he still shouldn't touch any Fish songs now just as Fish shouldn't touch any Marillion songs anymore either.

And with the track record since then, there's really no reason to bother.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 25, 2019, 03:52:21 PM
bump.

I've never seen this before.

Fish with Phil Collins and Paul Carrack at Nelson Mandela's 70th Birthday celebration at Wembley in 1988.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXzpC5cYXbI
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 28, 2019, 12:49:02 PM
bump.

I've never seen this before.

Fish with Phil Collins and Paul Carrack at Nelson Mandela's 70th Birthday celebration at Wembley in 1988.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXzpC5cYXbI

Forgot about this one. Yet one more reminder about how big this band really was in Europe back then.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: T-ski on April 28, 2019, 04:19:22 PM
bump.

I've never seen this before.

Fish with Phil Collins and Paul Carrack at Nelson Mandela's 70th Birthday celebration at Wembley in 1988.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXzpC5cYXbI

what, no love for Mark Brzezicki?

also, who wore it better, Fish or Bam Bam Bigelow?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 05, 2019, 04:13:42 PM
bump.

I've never seen this before.

Fish with Phil Collins and Paul Carrack at Nelson Mandela's 70th Birthday celebration at Wembley in 1988.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXzpC5cYXbI

what, no love for Mark Brzezicki?

also, who wore it better, Fish or Bam Bam Bigelow?

Big Country is another great band.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 11, 2019, 06:05:27 PM
Listened to Somewhere Else again earlier today and realized I don't have too much from that tour.

Is there a complete tour date listing online somewhere?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 18, 2019, 10:49:48 AM
bump.

I always knew about the tour with Rush in 1986, but I am almost shocked to learn Marillion also opened for Rush for 4 of 5 nights in 1983 at Radio City Music Hall, lol.  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie95bwwZbfs&fbclid=IwAR1YtVtut6TRXnQ3p9HDinUfZv36p5rUAJzPsIJ_mPntADWQm7ljU73BWRE&app=desktop
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 24, 2019, 04:47:21 PM
bump.

I always knew about the tour with Rush in 1986, but I am almost shocked to learn Marillion also opened for Rush for 4 of 5 nights in 1983 at Radio City Music Hall, lol.  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie95bwwZbfs&fbclid=IwAR1YtVtut6TRXnQ3p9HDinUfZv36p5rUAJzPsIJ_mPntADWQm7ljU73BWRE&app=desktop

Yes they did. If I'm not mistaken three of those five might have surfaced although the sound quality leaves a bit to be desired.  Did they just give up on the fifth night? (now I need to check my Marillion bios.) There is some audible negativity on the recordings but not as much as the legend seems to indicate (Though if there were visual incidents going on the audio would have captured that obviously.)

To this day I don't think Fish has talked much about it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 30, 2019, 08:14:20 AM
bump.

WITH FRIENDS FROM THE ORCHESTRA can be ordered now.

"PLEASE NOTE, WE EXPECT TO BEGIN SHIPPING THIS ITEM ON OR AROUND 9TH OCTOBER."

http://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/intactcd19.htm
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 01, 2019, 02:11:37 AM
Damn this is so fucking perfect...Estonia from With Friends from the Orchestra...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1UEHTMHkxM&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2aBVFNNDBzcmyz_2EvfGCgqUs3C-Dmo32Wqja3wBigVJGbxaYmBgsLzT8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1UEHTMHkxM&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2aBVFNNDBzcmyz_2EvfGCgqUs3C-Dmo32Wqja3wBigVJGbxaYmBgsLzT8)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 02, 2019, 07:05:02 PM
bump.

WITH FRIENDS FROM THE ORCHESTRA can be ordered now.

"PLEASE NOTE, WE EXPECT TO BEGIN SHIPPING THIS ITEM ON OR AROUND 9TH OCTOBER."

http://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/intactcd19.htm

Woke up  yesterday to my wife saying there was a "new" album and she already preordered it.

Had no idea this was even a concept.

I guess they need a placeholder while they think about what to do next. I'd love to see a tour with an orchestra but there's no way anything like this hits the US.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on October 02, 2019, 07:46:00 PM
bump.

WITH FRIENDS FROM THE ORCHESTRA can be ordered now.

"PLEASE NOTE, WE EXPECT TO BEGIN SHIPPING THIS ITEM ON OR AROUND 9TH OCTOBER."

http://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/intactcd19.htm

Woke up  yesterday to my wife saying there was a "new" album and she already preordered it.

Had no idea this was even a concept.

I guess they need a placeholder while they think about what to do next. I'd love to see a tour with an orchestra but there's no way anything like this hits the US.

Honestly, this is a slightly better idea than the acoustic/stripped down album they released several years ago. Now that they've done both of those ideas, what's next on the checklist of non-new-material-studio-album cliches they can do? All covers album?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Fritzinger on October 03, 2019, 02:43:42 AM
bump.

WITH FRIENDS FROM THE ORCHESTRA can be ordered now.

"PLEASE NOTE, WE EXPECT TO BEGIN SHIPPING THIS ITEM ON OR AROUND 9TH OCTOBER."

http://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/intactcd19.htm

Woke up  yesterday to my wife saying there was a "new" album and she already preordered it.

Had no idea this was even a concept.

I guess they need a placeholder while they think about what to do next. I'd love to see a tour with an orchestra but there's no way anything like this hits the US.

Honestly, this is a slightly better idea than the acoustic/stripped down album they released several years ago. Now that they've done both of those ideas, what's next on the checklist of non-new-material-studio-album cliches they can do? All covers album?

-Marc.

I hope not. There are very few examples where I love stripped down/unplugged/re-arranged versions of own songs or cover albums.
Pain Of Salvation's Falling Home has some awesome songs (Holy Diver? Holy shit!), Scratch My Back by Gabriel is a masterpiece, Cover Version by Steven Wilson is pretty cool... But apart from that... I don't need that kind of stuff.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on October 03, 2019, 05:55:49 AM
interview with the Steve's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=nkrMJS-8ctQ
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 05, 2019, 10:56:43 AM
interview with the Steve's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=nkrMJS-8ctQ

Thanks. Seems so strange to hear them acknowledge that the band may not be around forever, but that is the reality.  Can't wait for Steve's next solo album. It's going to be awesome!  Don't know how he'll top his last one but I'm sure he will.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 05, 2019, 11:00:18 AM
bump.

WITH FRIENDS FROM THE ORCHESTRA can be ordered now.

"PLEASE NOTE, WE EXPECT TO BEGIN SHIPPING THIS ITEM ON OR AROUND 9TH OCTOBER."

http://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/intactcd19.htm

Woke up  yesterday to my wife saying there was a "new" album and she already preordered it.

Had no idea this was even a concept.

I guess they need a placeholder while they think about what to do next. I'd love to see a tour with an orchestra but there's no way anything like this hits the US.

Honestly, this is a slightly better idea than the acoustic/stripped down album they released several years ago. Now that they've done both of those ideas, what's next on the checklist of non-new-material-studio-album cliches they can do? All covers album?

-Marc.

I really didn't like Less Is More much.  Right there with Brave at the bottom for me.

Although I should really pull it off of the shelf again to see if I still feel that way. It's been easily more than a year since I've heard it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 02, 2019, 11:31:47 AM
Anyone get "With Friends From The Orchestra?"

I honestly didn't think it would be this good. It's kicking my ass.  Of course Europe and the UK get to witness this stuff live.

Hopefully we'll at least see a DVD out of it.

Have to admit I was a bit skeptical because Less Is More didn't do a lot for me, but this is pretty amazing.  Even The Hollow Man sounds halfway decent and I'm no fan of Brave.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: gazinwales on November 02, 2019, 12:46:23 PM
Whoah, wait a sec, you don't like Brave?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on November 02, 2019, 01:46:20 PM
Anyone get "With Friends From The Orchestra?"

I honestly didn't think it would be this good. It's kicking my ass.  Of course Europe and the UK get to witness this stuff live.

Hopefully we'll at least see a DVD out of it.

Have to admit I was a bit skeptical because Less Is More didn't do a lot for me, but this is pretty amazing.  Even The Hollow Man sounds halfway decent and I'm no fan of Brave.
I was hoping it'd stream somewhere, but haven't seen it yet so I may have to buy it outright. Estonia brought me to tears, so I can see the rest of it being just as stunning.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 06, 2019, 07:11:55 PM
Anyone get "With Friends From The Orchestra?"

I honestly didn't think it would be this good. It's kicking my ass.  Of course Europe and the UK get to witness this stuff live.

Hopefully we'll at least see a DVD out of it.

Have to admit I was a bit skeptical because Less Is More didn't do a lot for me, but this is pretty amazing.  Even The Hollow Man sounds halfway decent and I'm no fan of Brave.
I was hoping it'd stream somewhere, but haven't seen it yet so I may have to buy it outright. Estonia brought me to tears, so I can see the rest of it being just as stunning.

It's pretty stunning.  I haven't even bothered cracking open the Afraid Of Sunlight Deluxe Edition yet.  Hoping they record one of the live shows because that's about the only way I'm going to get to experience it. Rothery just scorches the earth on this record.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 06, 2019, 07:14:50 PM
Whoah, wait a sec, you don't like Brave?

It's a snoozefest.

 The only real blemish on their record other than maybe Less Is More.  Warmed to like about half of Afraid Of Sunlight which is why I sprung for the deluxe edition (for the unreleased material mainly.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on November 07, 2019, 03:31:16 AM
Whoah, wait a sec, you don't like Brave?

It's a snoozefest.

Wow. I mean, wow. I get that we all have different tastes, and that we all hear music differently and everything, but you are just... wrong. So very wrong.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 07, 2019, 07:05:43 PM
Whoah, wait a sec, you don't like Brave?

It's a snoozefest.

Wow. I mean, wow. I get that we all have different tastes, and that we all hear music differently and everything, but you are just... wrong. So very wrong.

no use arguing personal taste, but it's my favorite album ever made.

But then again, I can't stand Radiohead and OK Computer, and find Fear of a Blank Planet to be incredibly overrated and boring.

So I can kind of see where ysterush is coming from.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 17, 2019, 12:27:13 AM
new interview with Mark Kelly.

'Script/early days documentary included with the Remaster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-Ly2h2lnqE
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Evermind on November 17, 2019, 12:53:49 AM
Not quite pertinent to the conversation happening in the thread now, but I was listening to Marbles this morning and once again was completely blindsided by how good this album is. So much that I actually decided to make this post here just to acknowledge this. Man, what an album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 17, 2019, 11:15:38 AM
Whoah, wait a sec, you don't like Brave?

It's a snoozefest.

Wow. I mean, wow. I get that we all have different tastes, and that we all hear music differently and everything, but you are just... wrong. So very wrong.

no use arguing personal taste, but it's my favorite album ever made.

But then again, I can't stand Radiohead and OK Computer, and find Fear of a Blank Planet to be incredibly overrated and boring.

So I can kind of see where ysterush is coming from.

For what it's worth, I'd take Fear Of A Blank Planet over Brave any day of the week and twice on Sunday. It's the only Porcupine Tree CD I own.

As far a Brave goes, I respect the attempt, but it does nothing for me.  I stopped my annual listen to it (to see if anything changed) more than 5 years ago.  I'd much rather listen to something I enjoy.

The only total clunker they've recorded. (if you don't count Less Is More.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on November 17, 2019, 11:17:46 AM
Not quite pertinent to the conversation happening in the thread now, but I was listening to Marbles this morning and once again was completely blindsided by how good this album is. So much that I actually decided to make this post here just to acknowledge this. Man, what an album.
Well, it is the greatest album ever made.... :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on November 17, 2019, 11:52:47 AM
I can't think of another band that I own more albums from that I'm more "on the fence" about than Marillion. 

I own more than half their catalog, and less than half does it for me. 

I think Childhood, Straws, Anorak, and Marbles are among the most brilliant albums I've ever heard and I've never gotten tired of listening to them from start to finish.   Absolutely 10/10....all of them.

Script and Fugazi are really hit and miss.  I like half or less of the material.  Same with Season's End, Holidays in Eden, and Brave. Although all of these albums have songs on them that I consider to be must have's.   (Easter, Brave, Splintering Heart, and a few others).   Afraid of Sunlight does nothing for me.   

This Strange Engine came out when I was working at a CD store, and it just got played in store a lot, and it ended up grabbing me.  So I like that one.    On the strength of that, I got Radiation and dot com....Radiation had some gems, but dot com fell completely flat for me.

Then I had a buddy tell me I had to check out Anorak....and I absolutely fell in love with it.   ADORE that album.   Then Marbles came and I really began to become a bigger fan about that time.   And on the strength of Marbles I even got in early on the pre-order of Somewhere Else.....which was one of the biggest let downs of my entire life.    Really really boring album. 

Based on that disappointment, I never even listened to Happiness, Less is More, and Sounds.   But then everyone started freaking out about FEAR, so I picked that one up and it just didn't grab me at all.   

Maybe it's just been timing.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on November 17, 2019, 02:23:08 PM
Put me on the side of Brave lovers...easily my second favorite Marillion album behind Clutching, and for me, probably the most brilliant concept behind a concept album, I just am so in love with what they did there. Between that, the ambient atmosphere, and H era of Marillion finally coming into their own after two warm up albums, it's just a perfect recipe.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Volante99 on November 17, 2019, 03:37:18 PM
For my money Brave is not only Marillion’s best album it’s one of the best prog albums ever. It still holds up very well today unlike a lot of their other material.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on November 17, 2019, 04:14:23 PM
Brave is one of my all time favorites.  In fact, I still consider that and Afraid of Sunlight to be my two favorite albums of all time.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: faizoff on November 17, 2019, 05:36:33 PM
Has anyone picked up the 5 disc edition of Brave? How's the remix that Steven Wilson did?

I myself like Brave but not as much as everyone that raves about it. It's a great listen for sure but Marbles will always be my quintessential the Marillion album. The 2 disc edition is a perfect listen start to finish.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on November 17, 2019, 06:52:09 PM
Has anyone picked up the 5 disc edition of Brave? How's the remix that Steven Wilson did?

I myself like Brave but not as much as everyone that raves about it. It's a great listen for sure but Marbles will always be my quintessential the Marillion album. The 2 disc edition is a perfect listen start to finish.

Yes.  It’s totally worth it.  Wilson’s mix brings some new details to light, and the live show is pretty killer as well.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on November 17, 2019, 07:05:03 PM
I can't think of another band that I own more albums from that I'm more "on the fence" about than Marillion. 

I own more than half their catalog, and less than half does it for me.


I think Childhood, Straws, Anorak, and Marbles are among the most brilliant albums I've ever heard and I've never gotten tired of listening to them from start to finish.   Absolutely 10/10....all of them.

Script and Fugazi are really hit and miss.  I like half or less of the material.  Same with Season's End, Holidays in Eden, and Brave. Although all of these albums have songs on them that I consider to be must have's.   (Easter, Brave, Splintering Heart, and a few others).   Afraid of Sunlight does nothing for me.   

This Strange Engine came out when I was working at a CD store, and it just got played in store a lot, and it ended up grabbing me.  So I like that one.    On the strength of that, I got Radiation and dot com....Radiation had some gems, but dot com fell completely flat for me.

Then I had a buddy tell me I had to check out Anorak....and I absolutely fell in love with it.   ADORE that album.   Then Marbles came and I really began to become a bigger fan about that time.   And on the strength of Marbles I even got in early on the pre-order of Somewhere Else.....which was one of the biggest let downs of my entire life.    Really really boring album. 

Based on that disappointment, I never even listened to Happiness, Less is More, and Sounds.   But then everyone started freaking out about FEAR, so I picked that one up and it just didn't grab me at all.   

Maybe it's just been timing.

When I was getting into prog more than a decade ago, Marillion was high on my priority list to "catch'em all", so to speak, and I spent WAY more money on getting some of their rarer stuff (i.e. Racket Records releases that were, even then, already out of print). I wanted to really dive deep into them as a fair amount of their material really grabbed me, but since then, I haven't really been gripped by their music as I used to. I rarely listen to them anymore, and I own every studio album, at least 7 or 8 live videos, and probably nearly 2 dozen Racket Records releases, including many of their Marillion Weekend shows on CD.

I think part of it is that I really have to be in a certain mood to really dig H's voice, and more so Fish's voice. Of the four bands whose members comprised Transatlantic (my stepping-off point for TFK, SB and Marillion after learning about Dream Theater), Marillion was the one that didn't really fully click with me like SB and TFK did, and I don't think they ever will. Someday I may sell most of my Marillion stuff because I just haven't really found myself interested in them as much anymore.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on November 18, 2019, 09:01:03 AM
I can't think of another band that I own more albums from that I'm more "on the fence" about than Marillion. 

I own more than half their catalog, and less than half does it for me. 

I think Childhood, Straws, Anorak, and Marbles are among the most brilliant albums I've ever heard and I've never gotten tired of listening to them from start to finish.   Absolutely 10/10....all of them.

Script and Fugazi are really hit and miss.  I like half or less of the material.  Same with Season's End, Holidays in Eden, and Brave. Although all of these albums have songs on them that I consider to be must have's.   (Easter, Brave, Splintering Heart, and a few others).   Afraid of Sunlight does nothing for me.   

This Strange Engine came out when I was working at a CD store, and it just got played in store a lot, and it ended up grabbing me.  So I like that one.    On the strength of that, I got Radiation and dot com....Radiation had some gems, but dot com fell completely flat for me.

Then I had a buddy tell me I had to check out Anorak....and I absolutely fell in love with it.   ADORE that album.   Then Marbles came and I really began to become a bigger fan about that time.   And on the strength of Marbles I even got in early on the pre-order of Somewhere Else.....which was one of the biggest let downs of my entire life.    Really really boring album. 

Based on that disappointment, I never even listened to Happiness, Less is More, and Sounds.   But then everyone started freaking out about FEAR, so I picked that one up and it just didn't grab me at all.   

Maybe it's just been timing.

I'm off on some of the details but this is pretty accurate for me, as well.  I got in with Misplaced Childhood, in the same way I got in to Dream Thetaer:  "hey, cool video, I need to check that out!".   Huge Fish-era fan, and even collected all the 12" singles (b-sides).   MC was the first CD I ever bought (with Perfect Strangers, Brothers In Arms, and Power Windows).  Due to poor planning and hard work towards my Alcoholic's Degree, I missed them in '86 when they toured MC, but I finally got to see them on the Season's End tour, and it was MAGIC.  I loved Season's End, even with the singer change.  Then the bumps started.  Holidays sucked (and the two versions were confusing and betrayed a sort of lack of confidence by the band).  There's little on there that I go back to at this point (Waiting To Happen is good, though). 

But then... Brave.  Not as good as MC, but it was a sort of confirmation that they still got it.  PLUS, Dave Meegan.  I LOVE the work that Dave Meegan did with the band, and while I get that the band didn't like the working style (he was sort of relentless about saving scraps and bits and making the band go back to them) he got a great sound for them.   I got Afraid of Sunlight, but I didn't really click with it, and I HATED Cannibal Surf Babe at first.   Then, "This Strange Engine" and I hated it so much I swore off Marillion for good.   I did go back and purchase the two-CD remasters, and subsequently warmed to Afraid... once I knew what they were doing (all the songs are homages of a sort, and CSB was a sort of Beach Boys pastiche which I really liked once I knew what the point was).   But I was out on new music.

THEN the fervor over Marbles. One CD, two CDs, 20-minute epic (which I find overrated now) I thought I'd give it a shot.  And it's GOOD.  It's REALLY good.  I love Neverland (I've seen it twice, live, and it's made me cry both times) I love Drilling Holes, The Damage, Genie, Marbles IV... I love how H put himself out there and it really resonated (contrast that to H as social justice warrior, and I tune out).   I went back and filled in the  blanks:  Radiation is very good (like the remix better), marillion.com is average, Anoraknophobia is EXCELLENT.  But then the wheels came off (and haven't really been restored).  I hated Somewhere Else (it sounded like a throwaway).  I didn't quite get "Happiness..." and it still hasn't really clicked.  I hated Less Is Less.   Both Sounds... and FEAR are okay - I saw the FEAR tour - but hit or miss.  As I noted, I don't really care for H's self-righteousness at times, and the music doesn't seem to be... epic.  I don't need 20-minute bombast, but I don't really care for their Massive Attack-style noodlings either.  I like a little more "rock band" and a little less "atmosphere".  I don't want them to change for me, there is plenty in the catalogue for me to dig into, but there's a LOT in the catalogue I don't.  I think the only other band I'm SO into but so indifferently is the Grateful Dead. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: DTA on November 18, 2019, 02:55:16 PM
I can't think of another band that I own more albums from that I'm more "on the fence" about than Marillion. 

I own more than half their catalog, and less than half does it for me. 

I think Childhood, Straws, Anorak, and Marbles are among the most brilliant albums I've ever heard and I've never gotten tired of listening to them from start to finish.   Absolutely 10/10....all of them.

Script and Fugazi are really hit and miss.  I like half or less of the material.  Same with Season's End, Holidays in Eden, and Brave. Although all of these albums have songs on them that I consider to be must have's.   (Easter, Brave, Splintering Heart, and a few others).   Afraid of Sunlight does nothing for me.   

This Strange Engine came out when I was working at a CD store, and it just got played in store a lot, and it ended up grabbing me.  So I like that one.    On the strength of that, I got Radiation and dot com....Radiation had some gems, but dot com fell completely flat for me.

Then I had a buddy tell me I had to check out Anorak....and I absolutely fell in love with it.   ADORE that album.   Then Marbles came and I really began to become a bigger fan about that time.   And on the strength of Marbles I even got in early on the pre-order of Somewhere Else.....which was one of the biggest let downs of my entire life.    Really really boring album. 

Based on that disappointment, I never even listened to Happiness, Less is More, and Sounds.   But then everyone started freaking out about FEAR, so I picked that one up and it just didn't grab me at all.   

Maybe it's just been timing.

I'm off on some of the details but this is pretty accurate for me, as well.  I got in with Misplaced Childhood, in the same way I got in to Dream Thetaer:  "hey, cool video, I need to check that out!".   Huge Fish-era fan, and even collected all the 12" singles (b-sides).   MC was the first CD I ever bought (with Perfect Strangers, Brothers In Arms, and Power Windows).  Due to poor planning and hard work towards my Alcoholic's Degree, I missed them in '86 when they toured MC, but I finally got to see them on the Season's End tour, and it was MAGIC.  I loved Season's End, even with the singer change.  Then the bumps started.  Holidays sucked (and the two versions were confusing and betrayed a sort of lack of confidence by the band).  There's little on there that I go back to at this point (Waiting To Happen is good, though). 

But then... Brave.  Not as good as MC, but it was a sort of confirmation that they still got it.  PLUS, Dave Meegan.  I LOVE the work that Dave Meegan did with the band, and while I get that the band didn't like the working style (he was sort of relentless about saving scraps and bits and making the band go back to them) he got a great sound for them.   I got Afraid of Sunlight, but I didn't really click with it, and I HATED Cannibal Surf Babe at first.   Then, "This Strange Engine" and I hated it so much I swore off Marillion for good.   I did go back and purchase the two-CD remasters, and subsequently warmed to Afraid... once I knew what they were doing (all the songs are homages of a sort, and CSB was a sort of Beach Boys pastiche which I really liked once I knew what the point was).   But I was out on new music.

THEN the fervor over Marbles. One CD, two CDs, 20-minute epic (which I find overrated now) I thought I'd give it a shot.  And it's GOOD.  It's REALLY good.  I love Neverland (I've seen it twice, live, and it's made me cry both times) I love Drilling Holes, The Damage, Genie, Marbles IV... I love how H put himself out there and it really resonated (contrast that to H as social justice warrior, and I tune out).   I went back and filled in the  blanks:  Radiation is very good (like the remix better), marillion.com is average, Anoraknophobia is EXCELLENT.  But then the wheels came off (and haven't really been restored).  I hated Somewhere Else (it sounded like a throwaway).  I didn't quite get "Happiness..." and it still hasn't really clicked.  I hated Less Is Less.   Both Sounds... and FEAR are okay - I saw the FEAR tour - but hit or miss.  As I noted, I don't really care for H's self-righteousness at times, and the music doesn't seem to be... epic.  I don't need 20-minute bombast, but I don't really care for their Massive Attack-style noodlings either.  I like a little more "rock band" and a little less "atmosphere".  I don't want them to change for me, there is plenty in the catalogue for me to dig into, but there's a LOT in the catalogue I don't.  I think the only other band I'm SO into but so indifferently is the Grateful Dead.

I really think Anoraknophobia is their best album. The 4 longer tracks are all pretty unique and go interesting places without resorting to the "noodlings" as you say that seem to permeate a lot of their more recent material. And the shorter tracks are all really catchy with a badass jam section in Wild Rose. It's really a perfect album yet I feel like the majority of Martillion fans rate it pretty low. It's way more engaging than Marbles, which is good, but filled with too much s p a c e.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on November 18, 2019, 04:04:56 PM
But then everyone started freaking out about FEAR, so I picked that one up and it just didn't grab me at all.   

Maybe it's just been timing.

Both Sounds... and FEAR are okay - I saw the FEAR tour - but hit or miss.  As I noted, I don't really care for H's self-righteousness at times, and the music doesn't seem to be... epic.  I don't need 20-minute bombast, but I don't really care for their Massive Attack-style noodlings either.  I like a little more "rock band" and a little less "atmosphere". 

FEAR disappointed me thoroughly, as I've stated way earlier in this thread.  I think I referred to it as "Shagging Lazily while Sauntering Off at a Leisurely Pace."  It's like they wanted to be mad but couldn't throw the remote at the TV.  Too much plodding and meandering.  Thank the flying spaghetti monster I discovered IQ, because their recent output is what I've wanted Marillion's post-Marbles output to be.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on November 18, 2019, 08:28:10 PM
But then everyone started freaking out about FEAR, so I picked that one up and it just didn't grab me at all.   

Maybe it's just been timing.

Both Sounds... and FEAR are okay - I saw the FEAR tour - but hit or miss.  As I noted, I don't really care for H's self-righteousness at times, and the music doesn't seem to be... epic.  I don't need 20-minute bombast, but I don't really care for their Massive Attack-style noodlings either.  I like a little more "rock band" and a little less "atmosphere". 

FEAR disappointed me thoroughly, as I've stated way earlier in this thread.  I think I referred to it as "Shagging Lazily while Sauntering Off at a Leisurely Pace."  It's like they wanted to be mad but couldn't throw the remote at the TV.  Too much plodding and meandering.  Thank the flying spaghetti monster I discovered IQ, because their recent output is what I've wanted Marillion's post-Marbles output to be.
The bolded bit is exactly how I feel.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on November 18, 2019, 08:34:41 PM
THANK YOU!!!!

I think I’ve tried to state before (in this thread, and the IQ thread) that IQ...time and time again...continues to deliver consistently, where Marillion just can’t.

I even picked up the two albums without Nichols, and was surprised how strong they are. I literally haven’t found a single note in 11 albums that I didn’t at least think was OK. And most of it is amazing.

This is the band Marillion should have been. There are moments that feel eerily like a Gabriel/Banks/Hackett supergroup.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 18, 2019, 09:59:10 PM
I have friends who love IQ, but also some of my friends compare IQ to Triumph.

I just have never found their music to work for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on November 18, 2019, 10:16:45 PM
I have friends who love IQ, but also some of my friends compare IQ to Triumph.

As a massive fan of both bands...this makes absolutely zero sense to me.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on November 18, 2019, 10:21:37 PM
I have friends who love IQ, but also some of my friends compare IQ to Triumph.

As a massive fan of both bands...this makes absolutely zero sense to me.
I was just about to say this. I don't get that comparison at all.  ???
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on November 19, 2019, 10:09:59 AM
I have friends who love IQ, but also some of my friends compare IQ to Triumph.

As a massive fan of both bands...this makes absolutely zero sense to me.

Same here. Those bands sound about as much like each other as Haken sounds like The Police.

But ya...I love both bands for entirely different reasons.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 23, 2019, 02:09:24 PM
I can't think of another band that I own more albums from that I'm more "on the fence" about than Marillion. 

I own more than half their catalog, and less than half does it for me.


I think Childhood, Straws, Anorak, and Marbles are among the most brilliant albums I've ever heard and I've never gotten tired of listening to them from start to finish.   Absolutely 10/10....all of them.

Script and Fugazi are really hit and miss.  I like half or less of the material.  Same with Season's End, Holidays in Eden, and Brave. Although all of these albums have songs on them that I consider to be must have's.   (Easter, Brave, Splintering Heart, and a few others).   Afraid of Sunlight does nothing for me.   

This Strange Engine came out when I was working at a CD store, and it just got played in store a lot, and it ended up grabbing me.  So I like that one.    On the strength of that, I got Radiation and dot com....Radiation had some gems, but dot com fell completely flat for me.

Then I had a buddy tell me I had to check out Anorak....and I absolutely fell in love with it.   ADORE that album.   Then Marbles came and I really began to become a bigger fan about that time.   And on the strength of Marbles I even got in early on the pre-order of Somewhere Else.....which was one of the biggest let downs of my entire life.    Really really boring album. 

Based on that disappointment, I never even listened to Happiness, Less is More, and Sounds.   But then everyone started freaking out about FEAR, so I picked that one up and it just didn't grab me at all.   

Maybe it's just been timing.

When I was getting into prog more than a decade ago, Marillion was high on my priority list to "catch'em all", so to speak, and I spent WAY more money on getting some of their rarer stuff (i.e. Racket Records releases that were, even then, already out of print). I wanted to really dive deep into them as a fair amount of their material really grabbed me, but since then, I haven't really been gripped by their music as I used to. I rarely listen to them anymore, and I own every studio album, at least 7 or 8 live videos, and probably nearly 2 dozen Racket Records releases, including many of their Marillion Weekend shows on CD.

I think part of it is that I really have to be in a certain mood to really dig H's voice, and more so Fish's voice. Of the four bands whose members comprised Transatlantic (my stepping-off point for TFK, SB and Marillion after learning about Dream Theater), Marillion was the one that didn't really fully click with me like SB and TFK did, and I don't think they ever will. Someday I may sell most of my Marillion stuff because I just haven't really found myself interested in them as much anymore.

-Marc.

Let me know when you do sell some of that Racket stuff. Might be interested if I don't have it already.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 23, 2019, 02:12:29 PM

But then everyone started freaking out about FEAR, so I picked that one up and it just didn't grab me at all.   

Maybe it's just been timing.



FEAR disappointed me thoroughly, as I've stated way earlier in this thread.  I think I referred to it as "Shagging Lazily while Sauntering Off at a Leisurely Pace."  It's like they wanted to be mad but couldn't throw the remote at the TV.  Too much plodding and meandering.  Thank the flying spaghetti monster I discovered IQ, because their recent output is what I've wanted Marillion's post-Marbles output to be.

For me, FEAR is what Brave should have been.  I really think they nailed it with FEAR.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on November 23, 2019, 02:18:41 PM
FEAR was certainly better than the meandering and exhausting Sounds That Can't Be Made. I don't very often complain about albums being too long, but that one is. You have the huge Gaza at the beginning, and with Montreal slap bang in the middle it's hard to make a good spot for a break. Either the first half is too long for one session or the second half is.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 23, 2019, 02:22:06 PM
I have friends who love IQ, but also some of my friends compare IQ to Triumph.

As a massive fan of both bands...this makes absolutely zero sense to me.

Like Triumph and it doesn't make any sense to me either.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 23, 2019, 02:48:43 PM

Finally had a chance to dig into the Afraid of Sunlight Deluxe Edition this weekend (Couldn't pull Marillion's With Friends Of The Orchestra out of the CD player for nearly a week.)

As I'm sure I've said before I'm come around to liking about half of this album in the years since it was released. King was the only song that blew me away immediately.

I think hearing Gazpacho, Beautiful, and Afraid of Sunlight live over the years has really warmed me to those songs too but they still don't come anywhere near King.

For me, the highlight of this is the live show which I didn't think I would enjoy as much because of the Brave songs (though Hard As Love didn't sound so bad (better than the Made Again version anyway.) and the Fish songs. (I'm one of those who thinks that if Marillion does any Fish songs live then the crowd should sing them and give Hogarth a break)

Anyway This Rotterdam gig is mostly pretty amazing. I'm no fan of Caniibal Surf Babe but this live version seemed to finally make sense.  This gig is the highlight for me and makes this package worth it.

I thought the documentary was good too.  I thought think the Clutching one was edited all that well though the Misplaced Childhood doc was better.

I didn't realize how low my Marillion fandom was at that point (totally stopped collecting all of the singles and other stuff with Brave) so there I learned some things in this doc that I either forgot or didn't even know. Didn't realize the record label pressure was that intense and it did explain a lot.

The new mixes of this album (Don't have 5.1) seem pretty weak to me  but that was never the reason to get this.  They said they basically had to recreate the album as the masters were either lost or destroyed. Not a problem for me as I'm likely going to be reaching for this live gig or others when I want to hear songs from this album.

I do like some of the early versions and musical jams that weren't on the last 1999 remaster and I like the lava lamp presentation to it on the Bluray.

It's totally worth it for the live gig although it contains the flatest version of Easter I have ever heard.  Never experienced a mediocre version of Easter until now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on November 23, 2019, 05:48:46 PM
FEAR was certainly better than the meandering and exhausting Sounds That Can't Be Made. I don't very often complain about albums being too long, but that one is. You have the huge Gaza at the beginning, and with Montreal slap bang in the middle it's hard to make a good spot for a break. Either the first half is too long for one session or the second half is.

Montreal is a terrible song.  Just awful.  I really only listen to Gaza and the title track from that record.  The rest of it is rubbish to me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on November 23, 2019, 06:56:35 PM
FEAR was certainly better than the meandering and exhausting Sounds That Can't Be Made. I don't very often complain about albums being too long, but that one is. You have the huge Gaza at the beginning, and with Montreal slap bang in the middle it's hard to make a good spot for a break. Either the first half is too long for one session or the second half is.

Montreal is a terrible song.  Just awful.  I really only listen to Gaza and the title track from that record.  The rest of it is rubbish to me.
I always hated that song too, but the live version they did on A Sunday Night Above the Rain is pretty good. Way better than the studio version for sure.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 23, 2019, 07:18:32 PM
I will probably always be in the minority of the fanbase who enjoys Montreal.

However, while Sounds has some other songs I enjoy (Power, the title track), I find FEAR and the album that preceded it, Happiness is the Road to be clearly superior works.

Gaza is one of their worst epics which I find drags and is mostly boring along with being too overtly political. It's 1 of their most overrated-by-the-fans, tracks to me.

And the song that to me became immediately skip-able in Lucky Man.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 07, 2019, 06:45:37 PM
I will probably always be in the minority of the fanbase who enjoys Montreal.

However, while Sounds has some other songs I enjoy (Power, the title track), I find FEAR and the album that preceded it, Happiness is the Road to be clearly superior works.

Gaza is one of their worst epics which I find drags and is mostly boring along with being too overtly political. It's 1 of their most overrated-by-the-fans, tracks to me.

And the song that to me became immediately skip-able in Lucky Man.

I still like The Sounds That Can't Be Made, but not as much as I used to. The title track doesn't seem to be holding up for me and I'm not sure how much I still like Power.

  FEAR is just a killer album.... especially when hearing the songs live.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on December 22, 2019, 09:38:48 PM
bump.

Fish just uploaded an update/x-mas greetings video.

Weltschmerz likely coming in May

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woWksvUGpF4
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 26, 2019, 12:14:42 PM
bump.

Fish just uploaded an update/x-mas greetings video.

Weltschmerz likely coming in May

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woWksvUGpF4

Thanks!  That's great to hear.  Have to figure some of those songs changed from the EP he released last year. Really looking forward to this although there's no chance of him touring in the US ever again.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on January 02, 2020, 03:27:23 PM

Finally had a chance to dig into the Afraid of Sunlight Deluxe Edition this weekend (Couldn't pull Marillion's With Friends Of The Orchestra out of the CD player for nearly a week.)

As I'm sure I've said before I'm come around to liking about half of this album in the years since it was released. King was the only song that blew me away immediately.

I think hearing Gazpacho, Beautiful, and Afraid of Sunlight live over the years has really warmed me to those songs too but they still don't come anywhere near King.

For me, the highlight of this is the live show which I didn't think I would enjoy as much because of the Brave songs (though Hard As Love didn't sound so bad (better than the Made Again version anyway.) and the Fish songs. (I'm one of those who thinks that if Marillion does any Fish songs live then the crowd should sing them and give Hogarth a break)

Anyway This Rotterdam gig is mostly pretty amazing. I'm no fan of Caniibal Surf Babe but this live version seemed to finally make sense.  This gig is the highlight for me and makes this package worth it.

I thought the documentary was good too.  I thought think the Clutching one was edited all that well though the Misplaced Childhood doc was better.

I didn't realize how low my Marillion fandom was at that point (totally stopped collecting all of the singles and other stuff with Brave) so there I learned some things in this doc that I either forgot or didn't even know. Didn't realize the record label pressure was that intense and it did explain a lot.

The new mixes of this album (Don't have 5.1) seem pretty weak to me  but that was never the reason to get this.  They said they basically had to recreate the album as the masters were either lost or destroyed. Not a problem for me as I'm likely going to be reaching for this live gig or others when I want to hear songs from this album.

I do like some of the early versions and musical jams that weren't on the last 1999 remaster and I like the lava lamp presentation to it on the Bluray.

It's totally worth it for the live gig although it contains the flatest version of Easter I have ever heard.  Never experienced a mediocre version of Easter until now.

I picked this up just after Christmas and I'm making my way through the live set right now.  My first thought is, "holy shit these tempos!" as they are blasting through these at about what seems to be 20-40 bpm faster than the album tempos.  While not quite as good as the show from the Brave remaster, it's still nice to hear them rock out with this set.  I remember seeing them do White Russian on the TSE tour in Grand Rapids, MI back in 1997 and that was pretty sweet, so it's great to see it included on this set as well. 

It's funny that you mention how low your Marillion fandom was at this time, because for me, this was the height of my fandom.  I LOVED Brave, and Afraid of Sunlight is just as good, if not better, in my opinion.  I couldn't believe they followed up their best album ever with their best album ever.  I had picked up CD1 of the Beautiful single as an import right at the end of my senior year in high school (May 95-ish), and then I found CD2 of the single and the album at a record store in Eindoven, The Netherlands later in June.  I remember listening to the single and getting super stoked, and then I put the album on.  I was on a bus with a bunch of teenagers from Michigan, riding from Eindoven to Antwerp, and the chorus from Gazpacho hit me like a ton of bricks.  I was completely oblivious to the world around me for the next 51 minutes as I got completely lost in the textures of the album.  I think I ended up listening to AOS almost exclusively for the rest of that trip.

A few years later, my family had taken a trip out to Las Vegas, and we drove the Grand Canyon while we were out there.  There was an interview with H where they said the album just kind of wandered off in the general direction of Arizona.  So, I listened to the album while driving from Vegas to the Grand Canyon, and that was a highly enjoyable audio/visual experience.  Personally, I think Cannibal Surf Babe should have been a massive single complete with Beach Blanket Bingo style video and the album should have sold millions.  Maybe if they had a different name.  Who knows?  I never thought I'd find myself buying an album purely from a nostalgia stand point, but the AOS and Brave remasters sure do take me back.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 04, 2020, 04:43:46 PM

Finally had a chance to dig into the Afraid of Sunlight Deluxe Edition this weekend (Couldn't pull Marillion's With Friends Of The Orchestra out of the CD player for nearly a week.)

As I'm sure I've said before I'm come around to liking about half of this album in the years since it was released. King was the only song that blew me away immediately.

I think hearing Gazpacho, Beautiful, and Afraid of Sunlight live over the years has really warmed me to those songs too but they still don't come anywhere near King.

For me, the highlight of this is the live show which I didn't think I would enjoy as much because of the Brave songs (though Hard As Love didn't sound so bad (better than the Made Again version anyway.) and the Fish songs. (I'm one of those who thinks that if Marillion does any Fish songs live then the crowd should sing them and give Hogarth a break)

Anyway This Rotterdam gig is mostly pretty amazing. I'm no fan of Caniibal Surf Babe but this live version seemed to finally make sense.  This gig is the highlight for me and makes this package worth it.

I thought the documentary was good too.  I thought think the Clutching one was edited all that well though the Misplaced Childhood doc was better.

I didn't realize how low my Marillion fandom was at that point (totally stopped collecting all of the singles and other stuff with Brave) so there I learned some things in this doc that I either forgot or didn't even know. Didn't realize the record label pressure was that intense and it did explain a lot.

The new mixes of this album (Don't have 5.1) seem pretty weak to me  but that was never the reason to get this.  They said they basically had to recreate the album as the masters were either lost or destroyed. Not a problem for me as I'm likely going to be reaching for this live gig or others when I want to hear songs from this album.

I do like some of the early versions and musical jams that weren't on the last 1999 remaster and I like the lava lamp presentation to it on the Bluray.

It's totally worth it for the live gig although it contains the flatest version of Easter I have ever heard.  Never experienced a mediocre version of Easter until now.

I picked this up just after Christmas and I'm making my way through the live set right now.  My first thought is, "holy shit these tempos!" as they are blasting through these at about what seems to be 20-40 bpm faster than the album tempos.  While not quite as good as the show from the Brave remaster, it's still nice to hear them rock out with this set.  I remember seeing them do White Russian on the TSE tour in Grand Rapids, MI back in 1997 and that was pretty sweet, so it's great to see it included on this set as well. 

It's funny that you mention how low your Marillion fandom was at this time, because for me, this was the height of my fandom.  I LOVED Brave, and Afraid of Sunlight is just as good, if not better, in my opinion.  I couldn't believe they followed up their best album ever with their best album ever.  I had picked up CD1 of the Beautiful single as an import right at the end of my senior year in high school (May 95-ish), and then I found CD2 of the single and the album at a record store in Eindoven, The Netherlands later in June.  I remember listening to the single and getting super stoked, and then I put the album on.  I was on a bus with a bunch of teenagers from Michigan, riding from Eindoven to Antwerp, and the chorus from Gazpacho hit me like a ton of bricks.  I was completely oblivious to the world around me for the next 51 minutes as I got completely lost in the textures of the album.  I think I ended up listening to AOS almost exclusively for the rest of that trip.

A few years later, my family had taken a trip out to Las Vegas, and we drove the Grand Canyon while we were out there.  There was an interview with H where they said the album just kind of wandered off in the general direction of Arizona.  So, I listened to the album while driving from Vegas to the Grand Canyon, and that was a highly enjoyable audio/visual experience.  Personally, I think Cannibal Surf Babe should have been a massive single complete with Beach Blanket Bingo style video and the album should have sold millions.  Maybe if they had a different name.  Who knows?  I never thought I'd find myself buying an album purely from a nostalgia stand point, but the AOS and Brave remasters sure do take me back.

Beautiful and Afraid Of Sunlight could have been hit singles.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on January 05, 2020, 10:02:37 AM
Beautiful and Afraid of Sunlight SHOULD have been hit singles.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ProfessorPeart on January 30, 2020, 11:06:01 AM
Deluxe Script coming:

(http://www.marillion.com/prodimages//prod/2227.jpg)

http://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/remast49.htm


This is the CD / Bluray version of a brand new (2020) Stereo & 5.1 Remix of Marillion's debut album Script For A Jester's Tear.
 
Disc One features a brand new stereo remix of the album by Andy Bradfield & Avril Mackintosh.

Disc Two features a brand new stereo remix of the Market Square Heroes EP and the track "Charting The Single" by Andy Bradfield & Avril Mackintosh.

Discs Three and Four feature the previously unreleased show from the Marquee Club, London on the 29th December 1982.

The blu-ray contains 96k/24-bit audio of the Script & Market Square Heroes EP and the Marquee show. It also includes a 5.1 surround mix of Script by Andy Bradfield & Avril Mackintosh.

Finally, it also features "Sackcloth & Greasepaint" - a new in depth 90 minute documentary covering the formation of the band through to the release of Script in 1983, containing interviews with Fish, Mark Kelly, Diz Minnit, Mick Pointer, Steve Rothery, Pete Trewavas and Mark Wilkinson.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 30, 2020, 11:14:04 AM
The first 4000 preorders at Marillion.com come with signatures from Rothery, Trewavas, Kelly, and Pointer but no Fish.  I looked at Fish's site and I didn't see that early preorders there come with a signature.  Any word? 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ProfessorPeart on February 01, 2020, 09:15:47 PM
The first 4000 preorders at Marillion.com come with signatures from Rothery, Trewavas, Kelly, and Pointer but no Fish.  I looked at Fish's site and I didn't see that early preorders there come with a signature.  Any word?

Statement from Fish via Twitter:

Finally the new reamaster for 'Script for a Jester's Tear' is now available for pre order with a release date of April 3rd.

I've obviously known about this for a while but haven't been allowed to announce anything until now!

The Blu Ray deluxe version and the Vinyl version can be ordered from today at fishmusic.scot/store

I'm sure there are some questions so I'll try and deal with the obvious here first-

There is some information for UK fans on the 'landing page' of the preorders. I am obliged by an agreement I have with Warners/ Parlophone not to discuss this on social media and therefore can't take any questions on that subject. It is as how you read it.

All pre orders will be sent out in the sequence they are made ie first come first served! They will be available for mail out from April 3rd, the official release date and not before.

All the pre orders will be signed by myself as with the previous Parlophone remasters.

They will be shrinkwrapped with a sticker and the corner of the wrapping torn to allow me to sign.

We have new packaging that we have been using on recent solo remasters that is superior to what we had before and we don't anticipate any problems.

There is only the postage option to have tracked and signed for as too many packages went missing on the 'Clutching' mail out. It's in fans best interests to have this method of postage. People can track their orders without having to send e mails to our office asking when they were sent or where they are. We will be rather busy dealing with 'live' mail outs.

In order to streamline our service and to ensure our ability to monitor the mail out the 'Script' orders will be dealt with as separate items and no other items from the mail order service can be added to the 'Script' orders. If you want to order anything else from the website it has to made on a separate order.

There is no BACS service on the website as bank transfers were becoming too expensive and time consuming with long delays between ordering and money arriving.

A full tracklisting and details of all the formats and content are at fishmusic.scot/store

thanks for supporting me on this and any more questions I'll try and answer when they arise.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on February 01, 2020, 09:30:10 PM
So if you buy it through Fish, you get it signed by Fish...and if you order it through Marillion you get it signed by the other four and there's no option to have a copy signed by all five?   Am I understanding that correctly?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jcmoorehead on February 02, 2020, 03:02:24 AM
So if you buy it through Fish, you get it signed by Fish...and if you order it through Marillion you get it signed by the other four and there's no option to have a copy signed by all five?   Am I understanding that correctly?

That's correct, been the case for the other two Fish era remasters. I guess it'd be quite difficult to do logistically? With Clutching, Fish signed the boxes when they arrived at his home/studio and that was where they were sent out from, so I guess the stock is split with so many going to Fish, so many to wherever Marillion operate from.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on February 05, 2020, 05:40:28 PM
So if you buy it through Fish, you get it signed by Fish...and if you order it through Marillion you get it signed by the other four and there's no option to have a copy signed by all five?   Am I understanding that correctly?

That's correct, been the case for the other two Fish era remasters. I guess it'd be quite difficult to do logistically? With Clutching, Fish signed the boxes when they arrived at his home/studio and that was where they were sent out from, so I guess the stock is split with so many going to Fish, so many to wherever Marillion operate from.

That's why I doubled up on the Misplaced Childhood and Clutching At Straws reissues. I don't consider Script and Fugazi to be in that class so I might have to settle for one copy of those this time.

I'm not expecting a sonic epiphany with this. I'm in it for the live show and the doc which totally makes it worth it for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on February 27, 2020, 05:34:26 PM
Watched Recital Of The Script last weekend and despite Mike Pointer it's a pretty amazing show but I can never get into Grendel (even live.)  My least favorite Fish-Marillion song ever....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on March 12, 2020, 04:47:23 PM
Video for Weltshmertz released, decent enough track. More exciting though is the track listing, a double album with almost 90 minutes of music including a 15 minute piece.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on March 12, 2020, 08:40:40 PM
yeah it's a radio edit.

Album comes on July 10th

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MGDh6qh-0k
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 14, 2020, 08:02:54 PM
Video for Weltshmertz released, decent enough track. More exciting though is the track listing, a double album with almost 90 minutes of music including a 15 minute piece.

Killer track!

How does he do that? The preview EP was pretty amazing.

 Each album has been better than the last. Field of Crows was the last average album he did. I hope he commemorates this with a live album/DVD package sonce there's no way in hell he's coming back to the US again.

I just had Feast of Consequences in the car for the commute this week strangely enough.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Fritzinger on March 25, 2020, 08:16:33 AM
After a Soft Machine phase, I have been listening to a lot of Marillion the last few days (that is, as much as I could, as exams are done online now and I have one tomorrow)...

I know that basically everyone ever hates Radiation, but I don't find it that bad (like, not Yes - Heaven & Earth bad). It's not a masterpiece and certainly no Marbles, but I don't get why it's hated THAT much. In particular, I find Born To Run beautiful.

Also, I found a remaining 3LP box set of Marbles online and it's sitting on my shelf right now, next to my record player and The ReconstruKction of Light 2LP by King Crimson. I will play both on Friday after the exam and actively listen to them. Very much looking forward to this. I know Marbles already, but I haven't heard it in years (ReconstruKction I have heard 3 times or so, also years ago).

I also listened to Anoraknophobia a few times and I still think that it's being mentioned far too little. 21st Century, Separated Out and If My Heart are great songs. The others are good too, though. Quartz is my favourite on this album.

I also want to dive a little into Brave, I don't know it very well, except for The Great Escape!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on March 25, 2020, 09:54:39 AM
I really like Radiation too. By some distance it's my favourite of the 1997-99 trio.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 25, 2020, 11:08:06 AM
After being underwhelmed (at the time; it's since grown to be a favorite) with Afraid of Sunlight, and absolutely despising This Strange Engine (a feeling that's never changed) I broke up with Marillion completely.  I only got back together with them over the hype for Marbles (worth it, though I think fans make too much of "Ocean Cloud"; it's good not great).  After that, I went back and listened to Radiation, .com, and Anoraknophobia.   My order:

Radiation Remix
Anoraknophobia

.com
Radiation

Meaning, there's not much gap between the first two themselves, or between the last two themselves, but the gap between number two and three is pretty big.  I love Marbles, but they've been very hit or miss since.   I'm not sure I'm on board with what seems to be alternating "epic albums" and "side bars", but nonetheless, NOTHING since Marbles has approached it, or the other truly great H albums before that (Season's End, Brave, Afraid of Sunlight).   In my humblest of opinions, and not suggesting they have to do what I say, but I'd be supportive of a reconciliation with Dave Meegan. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on March 25, 2020, 01:03:05 PM
So if you buy it through Fish, you get it signed by Fish...and if you order it through Marillion you get it signed by the other four and there's no option to have a copy signed by all five?   Am I understanding that correctly?

That's correct, been the case for the other two Fish era remasters. I guess it'd be quite difficult to do logistically? With Clutching, Fish signed the boxes when they arrived at his home/studio and that was where they were sent out from, so I guess the stock is split with so many going to Fish, so many to wherever Marillion operate from.

That's why I doubled up on the Misplaced Childhood and Clutching At Straws reissues. I don't consider Script and Fugazi to be in that class so I might have to settle for one copy of those this time.

I'm not expecting a sonic epiphany with this. I'm in it for the live show and the doc which totally makes it worth it for me.

My copy arrived from Fish yesterday. Not had time to listen yet, but these editions really are how rereleases should be done.
I got Script and Childhoodfrom Fish, signed on the cover. With Straws, it was a signed picture that arrived later which I didn’t like. Preferred it to be signed on the front.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 25, 2020, 01:50:05 PM
The Radiation remix is legitimately one of my favorite Marillion albums. Not a bad song on it (at least when I’m in the mood for The Answering Machine).

I’ve recently been revisiting Happiness is the Road. It has a few weak spots, but there is easily a full single disc worth of really strong Marillion tunes between the two volumes. It is one that has definitely grown on me over the years (though This Train is My Life has been among my favorite Marillion songs since it came out).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Fritzinger on March 26, 2020, 02:21:48 AM
I’ve recently been revisiting Happiness is the Road. It has a few weak spots, but there is easily a full single disc worth of really strong Marillion tunes between the two volumes. It is one that has definitely grown on me over the years (though This Train is My Life has been among my favorite Marillion songs since it came out).

I always loved Happiness Is The Road. The title alone is beautiful. Sure, it's not packed with huge prog epics, but that's not really what I need from this band. Instead, it's packed with mellow pop songs "with a twist", an almost eery atmosphere and great production. Which is what I need from this band.

On the other hand, I feel like FEAR is a little overrated. In my opinion, the band is not always capable of composing a consistent 20-min song. Most of their longer songs are 5 songs without pauses between them. There aren't even any recurring melodies or themes in some of them. At times, I feel like they have a great idea (like the opening sequence of this album, gorgeous!), but then it's just cut off, and it's never heard again. Sometimes it works (Invisible Man), though. And there is one example where they did everything right, which is Ocean Cloud. It's really a 17 minute SONG. But during the long tracks on FEAR, I sometimes don't know when one song is over and the next one begins. And at times I wonder, why this song end exactly HERE and not 6 minutes ago or 6 minutes later. Well, maybe the album needs more time.

But here's an unpopular opinion: Happiness Is The Road > FEAR
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Eldomm on March 26, 2020, 05:04:43 AM
Watched Recital Of The Script last weekend and despite Mike Pointer it's a pretty amazing show but I can never get into Grendel (even live.)  My least favorite Fish-Marillion song ever....

I am not familiar with that video, so why "despite Mick Pointer"?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on March 26, 2020, 05:43:39 AM
But during the long tracks on FEAR, I sometimes don't know when one song is over and the next one begins.

El Dorado ends at the end of track 5. That's when that song is over. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 26, 2020, 08:32:04 AM
I’ve recently been revisiting Happiness is the Road. It has a few weak spots, but there is easily a full single disc worth of really strong Marillion tunes between the two volumes. It is one that has definitely grown on me over the years (though This Train is My Life has been among my favorite Marillion songs since it came out).

I always loved Happiness Is The Road. The title alone is beautiful. Sure, it's not packed with huge prog epics, but that's not really what I need from this band. Instead, it's packed with mellow pop songs "with a twist", an almost eery atmosphere and great production. Which is what I need from this band.

On the other hand, I feel like FEAR is a little overrated. In my opinion, the band is not always capable of composing a consistent 20-min song. Most of their longer songs are 5 songs without pauses between them. There aren't even any recurring melodies or themes in some of them. At times, I feel like they have a great idea (like the opening sequence of this album, gorgeous!), but then it's just cut off, and it's never heard again. Sometimes it works (Invisible Man), though. And there is one example where they did everything right, which is Ocean Cloud. It's really a 17 minute SONG. But during the long tracks on FEAR, I sometimes don't know when one song is over and the next one begins. And at times I wonder, why this song end exactly HERE and not 6 minutes ago or 6 minutes later. Well, maybe the album needs more time.

But here's an unpopular opinion: Happiness Is The Road > FEAR

The funny thing is, and I see where you are coming from on this critique, but I love the kind of awkward Marillion stitched together approach to epic tracks. It’s their thing. They aren’t Neal Morse, and thats OK. In fact, I was thinking that most of Essence could have been edited together into one long track if they wanted to go with that approach. The only epic on FEAR that I feel like loses its way is the first one (El Dorado I think it’s called). The other two I think are really strong. I don’t know that I’d put Happiness (at least as a double album) above FEAR, but I can see that perspective.

As for Ocean Cloud, I have never really liked the middle section. The opening is gorgeous (up through to guitar solo) and the ending brings that back, but that’s a track where I’d love a shorter radio edit. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 26, 2020, 11:08:49 AM
Watched Recital Of The Script last weekend and despite Mike Pointer it's a pretty amazing show but I can never get into Grendel (even live.)  My least favorite Fish-Marillion song ever....

I am not familiar with that video, so why "despite Mick Pointer"?

He pales in comparison to Ian Mosley; there's a brightness and a bounce to the Mosley tracks (that came later) that really elevated the band.  There's a sort of plodding to the Pointer stuff that doesn't serve it very well live, IMO.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 27, 2020, 02:02:35 PM
I really like Radiation too. By some distance it's my favourite of the 1997-99 trio.

So do I.

I don't dig the remix as much because I really like the low-fi quality of the original (And of course those songs are pretty amazing live.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 27, 2020, 02:13:54 PM
So if you buy it through Fish, you get it signed by Fish...and if you order it through Marillion you get it signed by the other four and there's no option to have a copy signed by all five?   Am I understanding that correctly?

That's correct, been the case for the other two Fish era remasters. I guess it'd be quite difficult to do logistically? With Clutching, Fish signed the boxes when they arrived at his home/studio and that was where they were sent out from, so I guess the stock is split with so many going to Fish, so many to wherever Marillion operate from.

That's why I doubled up on the Misplaced Childhood and Clutching At Straws reissues. I don't consider Script and Fugazi to be in that class so I might have to settle for one copy of those this time.

I'm not expecting a sonic epiphany with this. I'm in it for the live show and the doc which totally makes it worth it for me.

My copy arrived from Fish yesterday. Not had time to listen yet, but these editions really are how rereleases should be done.
I got Script and Childhoodfrom Fish, signed on the cover. With Straws, it was a signed picture that arrived later which I didn’t like. Preferred it to be signed on the front.

Go mine earlier this week although I ahve't had much time to dig into it much. 9Only read the liners up to the point that they got signed and listened to the remixed ep (which is very cleaned up but LOUD) because it was the shortest thing in it.

Have to admit that I wasn't very enthusiastic about this one (So I didn't order one each signed from Fish and Marillion like I'd done previously) as it's my least favorite of the Fish studio releases, but after starting the liner notes and listened to the EP I'm getting pretty excited.

Since there are now consecutive live performances of the late December run at the Marquee Club, I'll probably dig into both of those this weekend and maybe the doc.

Pretty psyched about this one now as I'm immersing myself in the history of the formation of the band which quite obviously you don't get with the other releases.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 27, 2020, 02:19:41 PM

I always loved Happiness Is The Road. The title alone is beautiful. Sure, it's not packed with huge prog epics, but that's not really what I need from this band. Instead, it's packed with mellow pop songs "with a twist", an almost eery atmosphere and great production. Which is what I need from this band.



I like Happiness Is The Road, but I find myself overlooking it because I'll more likely reach for the releases around it more.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 27, 2020, 02:24:41 PM
Watched Recital Of The Script last weekend and despite Mike Pointer it's a pretty amazing show but I can never get into Grendel (even live.)  My least favorite Fish-Marillion song ever....

I am not familiar with that video, so why "despite Mick Pointer"?

He pales in comparison to Ian Mosley; there's a brightness and a bounce to the Mosley tracks (that came later) that really elevated the band.  There's a sort of plodding to the Pointer stuff that doesn't serve it very well live, IMO.

I'd generally agree with that, but I will admit he rose to the occasion during his final gig with the band.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 10, 2020, 01:12:05 PM
https://www.facebook.com/MarillionOfficial/videos/540496886610779/

10th April 2020 - Happy Easter
Happy "Good" Friday/Happy Easter/Happy Lockdown,
Lovely weather in England
We hope that everyone is staying safe and healthy and obeying whatever rules your own country has set in place. As it's Easter Weekend, Mark had the cool idea of us virtually-getting-together to record a new version of Easter in our
homes.
Hopefully it will put a smile on your faces. Thanks to messrs Hunter and Kennedy for the technical wizardry.
Tonight at 8.00pm UK time the very same Mark Kelly will be hosting a 'Marillion Quiz' over on our official Facebook page at -
www.facebook.com/MarillionOfficial/
Of course there are no prizes for taking part, just the self satisfaction and inner-glow that you 'know your stuff'!
Not sure how well any of us will do but we will all be watching and cheering Mark on (it was his birthday yesterday too).
We hope you have been enjoying the updates we have been sending out via our social media channels. Remember you can follow us on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook and on our official 'App'.
We hope to run a few competitions soon and as long as this situation continues, we will make sure we keep in touch as much as possible.
So until we meet again in person, stay close (well, 2m close), stay home, stay calm and have faith.
h, Ian, Mark, Pete and Steve
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: T-ski on April 12, 2020, 06:17:04 PM
What’s the best Marillion concert DVD to get?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on April 12, 2020, 09:12:46 PM
My favorite is Live at Cadogan. I appreciate the more intimate atmosphere and all the various re-arrangements.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on April 12, 2020, 10:32:54 PM
What’s the best Marillion concert DVD to get?
I almost want to answer this with, 'all of them'! They are all special in their own way. I don't know if I could pick just one.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on April 13, 2020, 07:37:58 AM
What’s the best Marillion concert DVD to get?
I almost want to answer this with, 'all of them'! They are all special in their own way. I don't know if I could pick just one.

I think Puppies has it right; they all have a very different vibe and deliver a very different product (says the guy that hasn't seen most of the Hogarth vids; I've stopped being a completist with Marillion around the time of Marbles).  But just using the Fish era:  "Recital" is a hungry, ballsy band playing clubs and looking for the next step, creatively and commercially, while "Lorelai" is an arena band at their peak, realizing that they've been sold the view from the hill, but still at their creative apex, and still able to conjure the magic when need be.   Fish alone is a stark contrast between the two vids (though so is Rothery; watch and you'll know what I mean).   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 14, 2020, 06:18:38 PM
What’s the best Marillion concert DVD to get?
I almost want to answer this with, 'all of them'! They are all special in their own way. I don't know if I could pick just one.

Exactly. They are like Rush in that way.

There are only two Marillion DVD's with Fish on only Recital Of The Script comes close to approximating what's it's like to be at a Marillion show. The second, Live From Loreley, is OK but doesn't really do the band justice live.  The Hogarth era is more heavily documented. I don't have them all but I really like the ones I do have.

Never bothered with the ones related to Brave as that's an era that doesn't do a thing for me. But I enjoy everything else. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 14, 2020, 06:28:10 PM
What’s the best Marillion concert DVD to get?
I almost want to answer this with, 'all of them'! They are all special in their own way. I don't know if I could pick just one.

I think Puppies has it right; they all have a very different vibe and deliver a very different product (says the guy that hasn't seen most of the Hogarth vids; I've stopped being a completist with Marillion around the time of Marbles).  But just using the Fish era:  "Recital" is a hungry, ballsy band playing clubs and looking for the next step, creatively and commercially, while "Lorelai" is an arena band at their peak, realizing that they've been sold the view from the hill, but still at their creative apex, and still able to conjure the magic when need be.   Fish alone is a stark contrast between the two vids (though so is Rothery; watch and you'll know what I mean).

I'm glad Loreley exists as a historical document, but I still don't think it's  representative of what the band brings. I guess you could say they were at the top of the mountain at that point (headlining of co-headlining festivals) but just about every other recording from that time (official bootleg or otherwise) surpasses it. Even Thieving Magpie (while better) still doesn't get that close to what they were like live.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on April 15, 2020, 08:28:54 AM
What’s the best Marillion concert DVD to get?
I almost want to answer this with, 'all of them'! They are all special in their own way. I don't know if I could pick just one.

I think Puppies has it right; they all have a very different vibe and deliver a very different product (says the guy that hasn't seen most of the Hogarth vids; I've stopped being a completist with Marillion around the time of Marbles).  But just using the Fish era:  "Recital" is a hungry, ballsy band playing clubs and looking for the next step, creatively and commercially, while "Lorelai" is an arena band at their peak, realizing that they've been sold the view from the hill, but still at their creative apex, and still able to conjure the magic when need be.   Fish alone is a stark contrast between the two vids (though so is Rothery; watch and you'll know what I mean).

I'm glad Loreley exists as a historical document, but I still don't think it's  representative of what the band brings. I guess you could say they were at the top of the mountain at that point (headlining of co-headlining festivals) but just about every other recording from that time (official bootleg or otherwise) surpasses it. Even Thieving Magpie (while better) still doesn't get that close to what they were like live.

I think you're right; I wouldn't argue that.   But it still is what it is, meaning, it's out there.  So if you're new to the game, and you watch it, it will have a very different vibe from the other things you'll see. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on April 15, 2020, 08:39:30 AM
I would recommend some of the Marillion Weekend Live albums. That's the real Marillion vibe in my opinion.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on April 17, 2020, 08:38:38 AM
A few DVDs and Bluerays are on sale right now at Racket. Of these I’ve only seen Cadogan. That’s a nice low price for it.

http://www.marillion.com/shop/search.php?s=SALE&fbclid=IwAR1kz5MEd7F57fa1ZTmJOpQj7HdzpOk_YnuuCfCYKrznzeAZkbDbCP1OemI

It looks like Racket is transitioning out of carrying physical DVD/Blueray stock and trying to get people to sign up for their video streaming service “The Space.” Might be something to look into, though it feels a little pricey for what they have available there so far. I think the plan is to have a lot of the older out of print stuff on there eventually.

https://marillionvod.uscreen.io/?fbclid=IwAR32hCYQ7jNROy836-6gtue-NU32ERK9PjWDHPqgpgO5P4y5sDifiESyLFE
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 17, 2020, 06:57:08 PM
I would recommend some of the Marillion Weekend Live albums. That's the real Marillion vibe in my opinion.

True, but those are with Hogarth.  There are a lot more with Hogarth since he's been in the band for all but the first eight years or so.

There are only two commercially available DVD's for the Fish era. (Oddly, they are almost bookends) but there are some European TV broadcasts from that time that come a bit closer to capturing the experience.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on April 17, 2020, 07:12:37 PM
HOLY CRAP!  Disc 2 of that Marillion.CL live set blew my mind.   I'm so used to seeing Hogarth be *extremely* sparse about doing Fish stuff.   That's the first time I've ever seen what appears to be an entire set of Fish material.   

HOTEL HOBBIES                       
WARM WET CIRCLES                       
THAT TIME OF THE NIGHT (THE SHORT STRAW)                       
WHITE RUSSIAN                       
INCOMMUNICADO                       
SLAINTE MHATH                       
SUGAR MICE                       
LORDS OF THE BACKSTAGE                       
BLIND CURVE                       
MARKET SQUARE HEROES
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on April 21, 2020, 09:55:32 AM
HOLY CRAP!  Disc 2 of that Marillion.CL live set blew my mind.   I'm so used to seeing Hogarth be *extremely* sparse about doing Fish stuff.   That's the first time I've ever seen what appears to be an entire set of Fish material.   

HOTEL HOBBIES                       
WARM WET CIRCLES                       
THAT TIME OF THE NIGHT (THE SHORT STRAW)                       
WHITE RUSSIAN                       
INCOMMUNICADO                       
SLAINTE MHATH                       
SUGAR MICE                       
LORDS OF THE BACKSTAGE                       
BLIND CURVE                       
MARKET SQUARE HEROES

So I’ve now watched all three of those Chile performances (signed up for the 7 day free trial for the Video on Demand service), and they are outstanding. Not sure I’ve seen a better shot Marillion concert(s). The band is loose, they seem really into the material, and they sound great (H’s voice seemed remarkably clear). The dot com performance was really great, and the performance of Gaza in particular really hit me hard too.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on April 21, 2020, 10:27:16 AM
Does anyone have an extra copy or a copy that you would you like to part ways of the Holidays in Zelande Blu-ray?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 21, 2020, 12:33:13 PM

So I’ve now watched all three of those Chile performances (signed up for the 7 day free trial for the Video on Demand service), and they are outstanding. Not sure I’ve seen a better shot Marillion concert(s). The band is loose, they seem really into the material, and they sound great (H’s voice seemed remarkably clear). The dot com performance was really great, and the performance of Gaza in particular really hit me hard too.

Don't have that.

I have a live 2CD Live In Chile from 2016 which is pretty amazing. What a crowd!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on April 25, 2020, 10:04:41 AM
There’s a new Steve Rothery solo album in the works. Looks like he’s doing a crowdfunding campaign starting in September. I’ve been watching all these live performances this week, which have reminded me just how much of a legend Rothery is.

New track available for download here. First half is very chill/ambient but the second half is classic Rothery (not sure if this is live or if that’s canned applause at the end?):

https://steverothery.bandcamp.com/track/la-silla

Abbreviated video version:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR3T42tKWhSeuuJuiQg2YeUXIZbYkNqFla80BMUZFq1yd91p-IxMVmwj1YA&feature=youtu.be&v=opEQag_7HVg
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on April 26, 2020, 08:36:16 AM
Does anyone have an extra copy or a copy that you would you like to part ways of the Holidays in Zelande Blu-ray?

I picked up the DVDs of disc 2/3 and 4/5 of the Zelande shows for £1 each. I just need disc 1 with the case for them all now. It’s sold out on the website.

I have the Chile show on its way too.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 26, 2020, 11:04:17 AM
There’s a new Steve Rothery solo album in the works. Looks like he’s doing a crowdfunding campaign starting in September. I’ve been watching all these live performances this week, which have reminded me just how much of a legend Rothery is.

New track available for download here. First half is very chill/ambient but the second half is classic Rothery (not sure if this is live or if that’s canned applause at the end?):

https://steverothery.bandcamp.com/track/la-silla

Abbreviated video version:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR3T42tKWhSeuuJuiQg2YeUXIZbYkNqFla80BMUZFq1yd91p-IxMVmwj1YA&feature=youtu.be&v=opEQag_7HVg

All over this one.

I hope some bonuses include a live show or two. Been waiting to hear a new one since the his last one came out.  I mean I like the Wishing Tree stuff well enough with Hannah, but his last solo album was right in my wheelhouse and something instrumental like that would be right up my alley.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on April 26, 2020, 05:49:00 PM
Does anyone have an extra copy or a copy that you would you like to part ways of the Holidays in Zelande Blu-ray?

I picked up the DVDs of disc 2/3 and 4/5 of the Zelande shows for £1 each. I just need disc 1 with the case for them all now. It’s sold out on the website.

I have the Chile show on its way too.

The Marillion shop put extra copies earlier this week and snagged a copy as well as the Sunday Night Above The Rain blu rays. They still have copies of the Zelande weekend show. I also got the Chilean weekend blurays and audio CDs a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on April 26, 2020, 06:53:29 PM
Watched the performance of Anoraknophobia on Waves and Numbers the other night. That was also a beautifully shot film (the lighting was tremendous) and a great performance of an uneven but still great album. Pete’s bass playing was really great and some songs like Quartz really came alive. it’s also the only time I’ve seen them play The Fruit of the Wild Rose, which is one of the most underrated Marillion songs IMO.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on April 27, 2020, 10:35:45 PM
Something I found more enjoyable than I anticipated, Steve Hogarth has started a podcast. In this first full episode he goes into detail into the real life stories behind This Strange Engine, some of which I’d heard bits and pieces of but which is more interesting hearing him tell it all at once. Gives me a new appreciation for the song.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-corona-diaries/id1509501056
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 02, 2020, 12:02:44 PM
Something I found more enjoyable than I anticipated, Steve Hogarth has started a podcast. In this first full episode he goes into detail into the real life stories behind This Strange Engine, some of which I’d heard bits and pieces of but which is more interesting hearing him tell it all at once. Gives me a new appreciation for the song.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-corona-diaries/id1509501056

I might listen to his thoughts on This Strange Engine since it is a favorite album of mine, but I'm not sure how many of these I would want to listen to.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on May 02, 2020, 12:44:03 PM
Something I found more enjoyable than I anticipated, Steve Hogarth has started a podcast. In this first full episode he goes into detail into the real life stories behind This Strange Engine, some of which I’d heard bits and pieces of but which is more interesting hearing him tell it all at once. Gives me a new appreciation for the song.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-corona-diaries/id1509501056

I might listen to his thoughts on This Strange Engine since it is a favorite album of mine, but I'm not sure how many of these I would want to listen to.

It’s definitely worth listening to for the TSE stories (some wild stuff inspired the “blue pain” section). The second half is him reading from his diaries, which I found enjoyable but not sure how long it would keep my interest either.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on May 04, 2020, 09:25:55 AM
TSE, the song, or TSE, the album?  And will he be doing this for other songs/albums? 

I'm a nosy Nelly, and I would love to know more about the references on Marbles, and how that fits into his personal life.  What REALLY is "the one unforgettable thing"?   Tell me more about the genie that is now out of the bottle.   

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on May 04, 2020, 09:35:39 AM
TSE, the song, or TSE, the album?  And will he be doing this for other songs/albums? 

I'm a nosy Nelly, and I would love to know more about the references on Marbles, and how that fits into his personal life.  What REALLY is "the one unforgettable thing"?   Tell me more about the genie that is now out of the bottle.

This was about TSE the song, but it really is quite an interesting story (well, more than one interesting story as it’s basically various events throughout H’s life).

As for getting into other songs, I’m guessing there will be more of that. Not sure they have totally settled on a format, other than including some readings from H’s diaries that he published a while back. Not sure if he gets into any of the stories behind certain songs in those diaries or not.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on May 04, 2020, 03:28:56 PM
There’s a second episode up now. H talks about being a prog fan in the 70s, and gets into some of his other influences leading up to joining Marillion (if you still haven’t checked out The Blue Nile yet, here’s another plug). Stadler, you might appreciate the brief Deep Purple discussion.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on May 04, 2020, 05:22:55 PM
I recall reading an interview H many years ago with him saying maybe his 1st concert (or most impactful?) was seeing Deep Purple, so that doesn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on May 04, 2020, 05:26:04 PM
I recall reading an interview H many years ago with him saying maybe his 1st concert (or most impactful?) was seeing Deep Purple, so that doesn't surprise me.

I think I’d heard the story before but he basically says it was a Deep Purple concert that convinced him to pursue music over being an electrical engineer (which is kind of hard to imagine H being one of those anyway).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on May 05, 2020, 03:22:24 AM
I recall reading an interview H many years ago with him saying maybe his 1st concert (or most impactful?) was seeing Deep Purple, so that doesn't surprise me.

I think I’d heard the story before but he basically says it was a Deep Purple concert that convinced him to pursue music over being an electrical engineer (which is kind of hard to imagine H being one of those anyway).

When he joined the band I was a bit crushed at Fish going and H seemed a bit too "art school" for me. Can't imagine him as an electrical engineer either. A drama teacher maybe?  ;D I struggled with his voice, his mannerisms live, and still do a bit, but he's grown on me. I'm not a huge fan of Marillion's H era music but there is still enough great stuff in there to keep me interested.

And it takes a brave (pun not intended ;)) to step into the shoes of someone like Fish. Fair play to him.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on May 05, 2020, 09:01:44 AM
^^^ That's kind of me. There are some great moments in the Hogarth/Marillion catalogue, but they're not ALL winners, and sometimes the direction loses me.  I don't like the strident self-righteous H, and while it seems a quibble (it is) it's sort of the signal of this when he slurrs his s's to add "gravitas".  I'm much more interested when he's looking critically at himself or the relationships of those around him than the bigger "world" issues.  (And yes, I have a similar, though not identical, opinion of Fish, though he has been able to expand out a bit without automatically adding the preachy). 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jasc15 on May 06, 2020, 05:18:51 PM
Working from home during quarantine gives me a great opportunity to finally try out some new music.  First of all, I finally completed a basement renovation and refurbished an old pair of JBL speakers from the mid 70's, which sound great.  Now I'm all set up to properly listen to music for the first time in a long while.

I've heard about Marillion since I was first on these forums (in one form or another) in 2006, but never really gave them a proper listen.  The size of their catalog is enormous, but glossing over this thread gave me some starting points.  I started shuffling through random songs of theirs on spotify, but soon went after whole albums.  I've since listened to Misplaced Childhood, Marbles, and Bave.  I've never been any good at relaying my thoughts on music, movies, etc, so I will say that I think their ambition and ability to put that ambition to a recording is truly impressive.  I can tell it will require many repeat listens to really hear this band.  Despite my awe, they haven't seized me the way I was by some other music when I was younger, but I attribute that more to age than anything else.

Regarding Misplaced Childhood and a song or 2 I've heard from Fugazi, I know their earlier work with Fish has been criticized as being derivative of Genesis.  I certainly noticed that immediately, but I think it was more that Fish's voice so strongly resembles Peter Gabriel.

I'll be visiting this thread for more impressions.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on May 06, 2020, 05:40:01 PM
Working from home during quarantine gives me a great opportunity to finally try out some new music.  First of all, I finally completed a basement renovation and refurbished an old pair of JBL speakers from the mid 70's, which sound great.  Now I'm all set up to properly listen to music for the first time in a long while.

I've heard about Marillion since I was first on these forums (in one form or another) in 2006, but never really gave them a proper listen.  The size of their catalog is enormous, but glossing over this thread gave me some starting points.  I started shuffling through random songs of theirs on spotify, but soon went after whole albums.  I've since listened to Misplaced Childhood, Marbles, and Bave.  I've never been any good at relaying my thoughts on music, movies, etc, so I will say that I think their ambition and ability to put that ambition to a recording is truly impressive.  I can tell it will require many repeat listens to really hear this band.  Despite my awe, they haven't seized me the way I was by some other music when I was younger, but I attribute that more to age than anything else.

Regarding Misplaced Childhood and a song or 2 I've heard from Fugazi, I know their earlier work with Fish has been criticized as being derivative of Genesis.  I certainly noticed that immediately, but I think it was more that Fish's voice so strongly resembles Peter Gabriel.

I'll be visiting this thread for more impressions.

Awesome! It’s an amazing journey, and worth sticking with it until it fully clicks. My starting place was Season’s End (Hogarth’s first with the band, which has Easter - an essential Marillon track), and I had a couple other albums before I got into Brave which is the first thing that really clicked and then Marbles as well. Brave, Marbles, and Misplaced Childhood are good starting points for sure. I would highly recommend Clutching at Straws (the best Fish album IMO) and Afraid of Sunlight (my provable favorite Marillion album) next.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on May 07, 2020, 09:35:10 AM

Regarding Misplaced Childhood and a song or 2 I've heard from Fugazi, I know their earlier work with Fish has been criticized as being derivative of Genesis.  I certainly noticed that immediately, but I think it was more that Fish's voice so strongly resembles Peter Gabriel.

I'll be visiting this thread for more impressions.

I've always thought that the Genesis comparisons were over-blown, at least compared with the Floyd comparison (which is almost never made).   For every nod to Genesis ("He Knows You Know", "Grendel") there's a nod to Floyd (the solo in "Sugar Mice", the guitar figure in "Lavender", the personal nature of most of Fish's lyrics). 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on May 07, 2020, 11:03:10 AM
Yeah, I think Fish has the same general vocal delivery and timbre of both Gabriel and Phil Collins. I also think some of the verbosity in Fish’s lyrics recalls Gabriel’s on The Lamb and in places like Epping Forest. Musically, I only really think Script (and the aforementioned Grendel) sound much like classic Genesis. Though I also think some general 80s sounds and production were shared between Genesis and Marillion during the Fish era.

I don’t think Marillion were ever really derivative of Genesis even if I understand the comparison. Like Stadler said Pink Floyd was arguably a more overt influence (even during the H years). See also Peter Hammil/Van der Graaf Generator and Andrew Latimer/Camel as major influences on Fish and Rothery respectively.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 07, 2020, 04:44:22 PM
^^^ That's kind of me. There are some great moments in the Hogarth/Marillion catalogue, but they're not ALL winners, and sometimes the direction loses me.  I don't like the strident self-righteous H, and while it seems a quibble (it is) it's sort of the signal of this when he slurrs his s's to add "gravitas".  I'm much more interested when he's looking critically at himself or the relationships of those around him than the bigger "world" issues.  (And yes, I have a similar, though not identical, opinion of Fish, though he has been able to expand out a bit without automatically adding the preachy).

I'm the opposite, but I'll take whatever I can get.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 07, 2020, 04:49:13 PM

Regarding Misplaced Childhood and a song or 2 I've heard from Fugazi, I know their earlier work with Fish has been criticized as being derivative of Genesis.  I certainly noticed that immediately, but I think it was more that Fish's voice so strongly resembles Peter Gabriel.

I'll be visiting this thread for more impressions.

I've always thought that the Genesis comparisons were over-blown, at least compared with the Floyd comparison (which is almost never made).   For every nod to Genesis ("He Knows You Know", "Grendel") there's a nod to Floyd (the solo in "Sugar Mice", the guitar figure in "Lavender", the personal nature of most of Fish's lyrics).

Never really got the Genesis comparisons other than Grendel. More Beatles and Floyd and Fish was more Peter Hammill.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on May 07, 2020, 05:00:24 PM
It really is just Grendel, the intro to "He Knows You Know" (reminiscent of "Follow You Follow Me"), the face paint that Fish used (reminicent of Gabriel's on his solo tours) and the fact that they covered, early on, "I Know What I Like", which few people know and even fewer have likely heard (I've never heard it, myself). 

David Hitchcock - who produced "Foxtrot" - also did the first single version of Market Square Heroes, but that's probably a Camel influence, not a Genesis one. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jasc15 on May 08, 2020, 12:43:07 PM
I listened to Ocean Cloud 3 or 4 times now.  "I've seen too much of life, So the sea is my wife" grabbed me on the first listen.  That line says so much.  I then read the lyrics along with the song to get the whole story, and came across this blog entry (https://medium.com/@copydimitri/undervalued-songs-marillion-ocean-cloud-437d88ed202c) while searching.  Maybe a bit dramatic, but maybe not.  He does sort of crystallize my impression of the song.  Good stuff.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on May 08, 2020, 01:49:22 PM
I listened to Ocean Cloud 3 or 4 times now.  "I've seen too much of life, So the sea is my wife" grabbed me on the first listen.  That line says so much.  I then read the lyrics along with the song to get the whole story, and came across this blog entry[\url] while searching.  Maybe a bit dramatic, but maybe not.  He does sort of crystallize my impression of the song.  Good stuff.
 (https://medium.com/@copydimitri/undervalued-songs-marillion-ocean-cloud-437d88ed202c)

Ocean Cloud just popped up on shuffle, so I guess I’ll just have to listen to it!

My general take on this track is that the beginning and ending are amazing (the guitar solos particularly), but the middle section drags a little bit. Still one of the great Marillion tracks though I think, and I do dig the story it tells (which is pretty amazing when you think about it).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on May 09, 2020, 09:23:22 AM
The storm section is my favorite part of that entire song.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 09, 2020, 01:29:08 PM
I listened to Ocean Cloud 3 or 4 times now.  "I've seen too much of life, So the sea is my wife" grabbed me on the first listen.  That line says so much.  I then read the lyrics along with the song to get the whole story, and came across this blog entry[\url] while searching.  Maybe a bit dramatic, but maybe not.  He does sort of crystallize my impression of the song.  Good stuff.
 (https://medium.com/@copydimitri/undervalued-songs-marillion-ocean-cloud-437d88ed202c)

Ocean Cloud just popped up on shuffle, so I guess I’ll just have to listen to it!

My general take on this track is that the beginning and ending are amazing (the guitar solos particularly), but the middle section drags a little bit. Still one of the great Marillion tracks though I think, and I do dig the story it tells (which is pretty amazing when you think about it).

I like it, but I'm not sure I share the same love as some. I've always thought it dragged on as well.

It's no Neverland, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on May 10, 2020, 03:21:44 PM
It's hard not to think that it's got it's mythology because of its length.  For me, of the four songs that aren't on the single disk version - Genie, The Only Unforgiveable Thing, The Damage, and Ocean Cloud - it's certainly behind Genie and The Damage (I LOVE The Damage).

Kind of reminds me of Maiden's Empire Of The Clouds as well.  Good tune, but not the highlight of the album for me. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jasc15 on May 12, 2020, 11:09:37 AM
I always hear a song differently when it's specifically recommended by someone.  Genie and The Damage are both excellent songs, thanks Stadler.  Music listening is a solo thing for me since my younger days, so I don't have conversations about songs like I did way back when.  That's what forums are for.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on May 12, 2020, 11:24:18 AM
Genie is wonderful. I love the whole record, but beyond a couple of the epics, I often think Genie is my favorite track from Marbles.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on May 12, 2020, 11:30:36 AM
Agreed that Genie is a great track (with The Damage being the sequel of sorts). The Only Unforgivable Thing is also somewhat underrated as far as tracks from Marbles. The three song run of Genie>Fantastic Place>The Only Unforgettable Thing is really strong.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: faizoff on May 12, 2020, 11:42:40 AM
There are a ton of great songs in that record which also happened to be the first H album I heard. I have a soft preference for Angelina, I love the way that tune builds.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: DTA on May 12, 2020, 12:01:27 PM
I remember when the band did the Los Trios Marillos shows back in 2005ish and at the Philly date, the crowd broke into a chant for them to play Genie for some reason and the band acquiesced and played it from memory. I always appreciate getting the occasional rarity like that especially since it's one of my favorites from the album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 12, 2020, 02:33:26 PM
It's hard not to think that it's got it's mythology because of its length.  For me, of the four songs that aren't on the single disk version - Genie, The Only Unforgiveable Thing, The Damage, and Ocean Cloud - it's certainly behind Genie and The Damage (I LOVE The Damage).

Kind of reminds me of Maiden's Empire Of The Clouds as well.  Good tune, but not the highlight of the album for me.

I'd agree with that.

 I feel the same way about Interior Lulu. Just because it's long is no guarantee it will be good bit it seems some have that expectation.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 12, 2020, 02:45:54 PM
There’s a second episode up now. H talks about being a prog fan in the 70s, and gets into some of his other influences leading up to joining Marillion (if you still haven’t checked out The Blue Nile yet, here’s another plug). Stadler, you might appreciate the brief Deep Purple discussion.

I did have a chance to listen to it. Not sure I really like the format though I kind of get the impression that he's been told to stay away from focusing a lot on Marillion and keeping it more personal.

Oddly enough, Fish is doing a "Fish on Fridays" podcast for the last month or so and he takes questions to answer.  I like that format much better and I'm pretty much hooked on it now. I don't catch it live, but I listen to it later.  I love it because I've always hoped for a spoken word tour when he was done with music and this really kind of satisfies that need for me. Learning a few things too which is always great and he really seems to be enjoying it.

I'm usually not a podcast guy. Depends on who it is and how its done but this one check all of the boxes for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on May 13, 2020, 09:20:29 AM
Another lockdown performance from Marillion. This time it’s Made Again:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v-WqMgD_NFE
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on May 13, 2020, 09:35:22 AM
Absolutely fucking beautiful. I still remember my first full listen to Brave, I cried like a baby when it got to that song. It still stirs the emotions deeply.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on May 13, 2020, 09:45:59 AM
Absolutely fucking beautiful. I still remember my first full listen to Brave, I cried like a baby when it got to that song. It still stirs the emotions deeply.

Definitely. Some people complain it doesn’t quite fit with the story, but to me it’s a necessary release after the tension that runs throughout Brave, and a beautiful conclusion to the story. Maybe it’s sort of trite to give the album a happy ending, but I don’t think I would prefer Brave without it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on May 13, 2020, 09:53:50 AM
I never "got" Brave. i give it a go now and then to see if something in me has changed, but it hasn't yet.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on May 13, 2020, 12:38:29 PM
I never "got" Brave. i give it a go now and then to see if something in me has changed, but it hasn't yet.

It's hard to get to. Took me a while to get it, but I did get it with the live versions though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on May 13, 2020, 12:43:38 PM
For the longest time I thought it was their last great album.  That's now Marbles, but the point remains.   It took the live version for it to really click, though. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on May 13, 2020, 12:59:39 PM
Brave to me is such a studio album that it doesn’t make as much sense live. I have seen some great performances of it live, but I’ve also seen or heard some not so great ones (the Made Again concert is one example).

I wouldn’t call it an immediate album, but it always surprises me when Marillion fans say they can’t get Brave. It has a certain gravitas about it. From the opening fog horn sound it always sucked me in, though it does help to have headphones. It’s also one that I’ve gotten positive feedback on from friends who aren’t prog or Marillion fans. People resonate on different wavelengths though I guess.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 16, 2020, 09:37:01 AM
I never "got" Brave. i give it a go now and then to see if something in me has changed, but it hasn't yet.

Never has for me. Sure fire cure for insomnia. After 25 years, I just gave up.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on May 17, 2020, 01:01:24 PM
Another lockdown performance from Marillion. This time it’s Made Again:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v-WqMgD_NFE

The audio of this is now available to purchase/download at Amazon (and other places) for an apparently undetermined charity. Also a little publicity for the band I guess in the download charts.

https://www.amazon.com/Made-Again-2020-Marillion/dp/B088P69HDX/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=Marillion+made+again&qid=1589741893&s=music&sr=1-3-catcorr
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 04, 2020, 03:38:03 PM
Don't know why, but I've always considered this Seasons End day. It's sounding especially sweet today. Had to crank up the title track when I got there. Guess King of Sunset Town made quite the impression way back when.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on June 04, 2020, 03:55:22 PM
Don't know why, but I've always considered this Seasons End day. It's sounding especially sweet today. Had to crank up the title track when I got there. Guess King of Sunset Town made quite the impression way back when.

“A ragged man game shuffling through. The puppet king on the fourth of June.”
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 04, 2020, 04:06:50 PM
What a great, underrated album.  I listened to it the other day while cooking dinner.  My favorites on that record are King..., After Me, The Uninvited Guest, and The Space....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on June 04, 2020, 04:20:21 PM
Not to mention Easter! I also really like After Me.

But I probably prefer both of the B-sides from those sessions (The Release and Bell in the Sea) to Uninvited Guest.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 04, 2020, 04:25:58 PM
What a great, underrated album.  I listened to it the other day while cooking dinner.  My favorites on that record are King..., After Me, The Uninvited Guest, and The Space....

Only one that still bugs me is Hooks In You (That video? Bleah!) but it did then too. Still love the way they came on stage for the three times I saw them in '89-'90 with King Of Sunset Town. That choice to kick off the show was not lost on me.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 04, 2020, 04:32:01 PM
Not to mention Easter! I also really like After Me.

But I probably prefer both of the B-sides from those sessions (The Release and Bell in the Sea) to Uninvited Guest.

As I was listening to Easter I was thinking how huge a fan favorite that song has become over 30 years to the point of just having the audience sing it. I could pick maybe three songs from that album I'd rather hear more, but that song really has taken on a life of its own. The studio version just doesn't seem all that special to me although I do like it quite a bit.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on June 04, 2020, 04:33:26 PM
What a great, underrated album.  I listened to it the other day while cooking dinner.  My favorites on that record are King..., After Me, The Uninvited Guest, and The Space....

Only one that still bugs me is Hooks In You (That video? Bleah!) but it did then too. Still love the way they came on stage for the three times I saw them in '89-'90 with King Of Sunset Town. That choice to kick off the show was not lost on me.

Agreed. King of Sunset Town was a brilliant introduction to Hogarth as frontman. It’s still one of my favorite vocal moments by him.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: T-ski on June 04, 2020, 08:03:23 PM
Guys, I was just sitting on my porch watching the sun go down and listening to Seasons End, guess I should’ve listened to the lyrics a bit closer.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 05, 2020, 06:52:03 AM
Not to mention Easter! I also really like After Me.

But I probably prefer both of the B-sides from those sessions (The Release and Bell in the Sea) to Uninvited Guest.

As I was listening to Easter I was thinking how huge a fan favorite that song has become over 30 years to the point of just having the audience sing it. I could pick maybe three songs from that album I'd rather hear more, but that song really has taken on a life of its own. The studio version just doesn't seem all that special to me although I do like it quite a bit.

Blasphemy/Hot take/Controversial Opinion Corner:    Not really a huge fan of Easter.  It doesn't suck or anything, but I'm not a fan of sing-a-longs - I REALLY don't like that there are so many versions of Kayleigh where Hogarth stands there with the grin and the mic pointed out over the crowd while the crowd sings the entire song - so there's that, but I think it's also a matter that I like other songs better on that album.  I will occasionally skip it to get from KOST to TUG. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Max Kuehnau on June 05, 2020, 06:56:24 AM
Not to mention Easter! I also really like After Me.

But I probably prefer both of the B-sides from those sessions (The Release and Bell in the Sea) to Uninvited Guest.

As I was listening to Easter I was thinking how huge a fan favorite that song has become over 30 years to the point of just having the audience sing it. I could pick maybe three songs from that album I'd rather hear more, but that song really has taken on a life of its own. The studio version just doesn't seem all that special to me although I do like it quite a bit.

Blasphemy/Hot take/Controversial Opinion Corner:    Not really a huge fan of Easter.  It doesn't suck or anything, but I'm not a fan of sing-a-longs - I REALLY don't like that there are so many versions of Kayleigh where Hogarth stands there with the grin and the mic pointed out over the crowd while the crowd sings the entire song - so there's that, but I think it's also a matter that I like other songs better on that album.  I will occasionally skip it to get from KOST to TUG.
so will I, but for me it's because of the overly pathetic nature of Easter (I still like it though, I just wish there wasn't any pathos involved)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: DTA on June 05, 2020, 07:10:39 AM

Blasphemy/Hot take/Controversial Opinion Corner:    Not really a huge fan of Easter.  It doesn't suck or anything, but I'm not a fan of sing-a-longs - I REALLY don't like that there are so many versions of Kayleigh where Hogarth stands there with the grin and the mic pointed out over the crowd while the crowd sings the entire song - so there's that, but I think it's also a matter that I like other songs better on that album.  I will occasionally skip it to get from KOST to TUG.

That is a hot take, though I can see where you're coming from. I like the verses and chorus enough, but for me, Easter is all about the guitar solo. Everything else is just stuff in the way of the guitar solo.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 05, 2020, 07:58:45 AM
No argument there; I'll give you that. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on June 05, 2020, 08:07:13 AM

Blasphemy/Hot take/Controversial Opinion Corner:    Not really a huge fan of Easter.  It doesn't suck or anything, but I'm not a fan of sing-a-longs - I REALLY don't like that there are so many versions of Kayleigh where Hogarth stands there with the grin and the mic pointed out over the crowd while the crowd sings the entire song - so there's that, but I think it's also a matter that I like other songs better on that album.  I will occasionally skip it to get from KOST to TUG.

That is a hot take, though I can see where you're coming from. I like the verses and chorus enough, but for me, Easter is all about the guitar solo. Everything else is just stuff in the way of the guitar solo.

Yeah, I don’t disagree with the take on how H sings it live, and it doesn’t necessarily hold up after being played live half a million times (though there was something special about the Royal Albert Hall performance).

But as far as the album version of Easter, the guitar solo is in my top 5 all time solos. The song itself (not necessarily my favorite Marillion song even) is on a short list of great prog rock tracks along with Starless, The Cinema Show, Big Big Train’s Victorian Brickwork, and maybe a few others.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 09, 2020, 06:30:51 PM
Guys, I was just sitting on my porch watching the sun go down and listening to Seasons End, guess I should’ve listened to the lyrics a bit closer.

I've never done that before. You may be on to something.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 09, 2020, 06:39:51 PM
Not to mention Easter! I also really like After Me.

But I probably prefer both of the B-sides from those sessions (The Release and Bell in the Sea) to Uninvited Guest.

As I was listening to Easter I was thinking how huge a fan favorite that song has become over 30 years to the point of just having the audience sing it. I could pick maybe three songs from that album I'd rather hear more, but that song really has taken on a life of its own. The studio version just doesn't seem all that special to me although I do like it quite a bit.

Blasphemy/Hot take/Controversial Opinion Corner:    Not really a huge fan of Easter.  It doesn't suck or anything, but I'm not a fan of sing-a-longs - I REALLY don't like that there are so many versions of Kayleigh where Hogarth stands there with the grin and the mic pointed out over the crowd while the crowd sings the entire song - so there's that, but I think it's also a matter that I like other songs better on that album.  I will occasionally skip it to get from KOST to TUG.

If I have to deal with them doing Kayleigh now. I'd much rather have him hold the mic out than sing it himself. It's SO much better that way. (Easter too, but I'm always up for hearing that live. )
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 09, 2020, 06:50:47 PM

Blasphemy/Hot take/Controversial Opinion Corner:    Not really a huge fan of Easter.  It doesn't suck or anything, but I'm not a fan of sing-a-longs - I REALLY don't like that there are so many versions of Kayleigh where Hogarth stands there with the grin and the mic pointed out over the crowd while the crowd sings the entire song - so there's that, but I think it's also a matter that I like other songs better on that album.  I will occasionally skip it to get from KOST to TUG.

That is a hot take, though I can see where you're coming from. I like the verses and chorus enough, but for me, Easter is all about the guitar solo. Everything else is just stuff in the way of the guitar solo.

That's kind of how I view Comfortably Numb now, but I think Easter has more going for it especially when Hogarth goes off too.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 09, 2020, 06:55:58 PM

Blasphemy/Hot take/Controversial Opinion Corner:    Not really a huge fan of Easter.  It doesn't suck or anything, but I'm not a fan of sing-a-longs - I REALLY don't like that there are so many versions of Kayleigh where Hogarth stands there with the grin and the mic pointed out over the crowd while the crowd sings the entire song - so there's that, but I think it's also a matter that I like other songs better on that album.  I will occasionally skip it to get from KOST to TUG.

That is a hot take, though I can see where you're coming from. I like the verses and chorus enough, but for me, Easter is all about the guitar solo. Everything else is just stuff in the way of the guitar solo.

Yeah, I don’t disagree with the take on how H sings it live, and it doesn’t necessarily hold up after being played live half a million times (though there was something special about the Royal Albert Hall performance).

But as far as the album version of Easter, the guitar solo is in my top 5 all time solos.

I think it totally holds up which is why it has become legendary.   Doesn't sound dated like Limelight does.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 21, 2020, 01:54:24 PM
I was listening to the Billy's Old Mill show from Milwaukee in 1987 and was reminded that he sometimes used to do the Phil Collins thing with the comedy. Of course it's possible it may have been the alcohol.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on June 21, 2020, 04:58:38 PM
I’ve owned it since it was first released, but today has been the first time that I’ve actually had a chance to sit in my man cave turn on my surround system and listen to the Steven Wilson remix of Misplaced Childhood.

Blind Curve does NOT disappoint.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 23, 2020, 06:52:06 AM
Marillion announced an virtual Marillion weekend the first week of September, with shows each night streamed on YouTube
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on June 23, 2020, 09:55:47 AM
Marillion announced an virtual Marillion weekend the first week of September, with shows each night streamed on YouTube

From what I can tell, they are going to be streaming old concert films, not performing a livestream concert just to be clear.

Announcement here: http://marillion.com/news/newsitem.htm?id=483
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 25, 2020, 02:41:31 PM
Hey trivia buffs!    I'm watching "Colours And Sound", the doc on the Marbles album and tour (decent, not great, not bad) and there are two "Easter eggs" on the first disk.  Both are Hogarth at a piano, Rothery and Trewavas on acoustic instruments (guitar and bass, though Rothery has the BASS during one of the songs).  The songs are "Easter" and I think "Don't Hurt Yourself" from Marbles.  I've come to believe these are acoustic for a radio session; does anyone know the exact source?   

Thanks!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on June 25, 2020, 02:54:33 PM
Hey trivia buffs!    I'm watching "Colours And Sound", the doc on the Marbles album and tour (decent, not great, not bad) and there are two "Easter eggs" on the first disk.  Both are Hogarth at a piano, Rothery and Trewavas on acoustic instruments (guitar and bass, though Rothery has the BASS during one of the songs).  The songs are "Easter" and I think "Don't Hurt Yourself" from Marbles.  I've come to believe these are acoustic for a radio session; does anyone know the exact source?   

Thanks!

I’ve got a set of songs that I downloaded long ago from a radio session that includes Don’t Hurt Yourself which follows directly after one of the Marbles sections (they flow together I believe). I know I also have You’re Gone, Map of the World, and Answering Machine as well, but don’t think I have one of them doing Easter. Could be a totally different radio session, but that would be the right time frame. Will see how the MP3s are labeled when I get home.   

It might be worth checking out the band’s Bandcamp page since they have a ton of the old fanclub releases for purchase there. Decent chance one of them includes the performances in question.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on June 25, 2020, 03:07:22 PM
This isn’t a radio performance, but could be the source (or at least a similar performance) of what’s on Colours and Sounds.

https://marillionofficial.bandcamp.com/album/frc-037-bowery-ballroom-new-york-ny-usa-12th-june-2005

Edit: Wow, this includes Tumble Down the Years, which I thought they never performed until the .com convention a few years ago. Also a very cool abbreviated version of Ocean Cloud.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 25, 2020, 04:03:30 PM
HOF, thanks for your reply!  I found it; it's a promo thing at Radio Madrid, Madrid, Spain, 18 June, 2004.  You got part right, though, because while the DVD has Don't Hurt Yourself and Easter, but they DID play Marbles I before DHY (they just didn't film it, I guess). 

Thanks though (and I'm still going to check out that link!).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on June 25, 2020, 06:58:06 PM
I've watched colors and sounds many times,  I love the shenanigans they get into on the road. Loopy Mark Kelly going into a service station in the middle of the night covered in toilet paper and with sunglasses on, looking like the invisible man. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on June 25, 2020, 07:28:23 PM
HOF, thanks for your reply!  I found it; it's a promo thing at Radio Madrid, Madrid, Spain, 18 June, 2004.  You got part right, though, because while the DVD has Don't Hurt Yourself and Easter, but they DID play Marbles I before DHY (they just didn't film it, I guess). 

Thanks though (and I'm still going to check out that link!).

So it looks like mine are from a radio station in Paris (RTL2) unless they are somehow mislabeled. I do have Easter as it turns out, so it’s the same set list and probably the same time period. I think I downloaded them from marillion.com way back when.

I listened to that whole Bandcamp concert earlier, and it’s a really good performance with a nice set list. All acoustic, but Rothery actually does the Sugar Mice solo electric which was really cool. Some nice arrangements throughout.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 26, 2020, 07:54:34 AM
I've watched colors and sounds many times,  I love the shenanigans they get into on the road. Loopy Mark Kelly going into a service station in the middle of the night covered in toilet paper and with sunglasses on, looking like the invisible man.

It's a good doc; some people (Erik Neilsen for one) got a little too much screen time (and are a little too full of themselves) but the behind the scenes stuff is good.   One of the bonus sections shows Mark Kelly and Steve Rothery (independently) editing "You're Gone" for the single release.   It's fascinating to watch a band like Marillion; for all their "music first", EVERY ONE OF THEM knows the details of their business venture.  That's a good thing, by the way, not a knock, but if you followed them back in the day, it was very much a "we're playing, someone else is responsible for that" and we all know the stories about John Arnison (the manager that, in a way, came between the band and Fish; he gave a sort of "either he goes or I go" and we all know how that turned out).   They know all the budgets, what the spends are, Hogarth talked of the "Holland numbers" for Anoraknophobia, and could tell you the weekly chart positions of the Marbles singles... 

I also ripped a short - minute and a half or so - instrumental segment of "The Damage" that RULES.  It's about 20 minutes before the end of the main doc, under a montage of a load-in.  Pretty cool guitar part, if you ask me. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 27, 2020, 10:25:12 AM
Marillion announced an virtual Marillion weekend the first week of September, with shows each night streamed on YouTube

From what I can tell, they are going to be streaming old concert films, not performing a livestream concert just to be clear.

Announcement here: http://marillion.com/news/newsitem.htm?id=483

That's good enough for me depending on which ones they are.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 27, 2020, 10:28:55 AM
HOF, thanks for your reply!  I found it; it's a promo thing at Radio Madrid, Madrid, Spain, 18 June, 2004.  You got part right, though, because while the DVD has Don't Hurt Yourself and Easter, but they DID play Marbles I before DHY (they just didn't film it, I guess). 

Thanks though (and I'm still going to check out that link!).

I forgot about those. It's been a while since I pulled Colours and Sound off of the shelf.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 27, 2020, 10:45:04 AM
I've watched colors and sounds many times,  I love the shenanigans they get into on the road. Loopy Mark Kelly going into a service station in the middle of the night covered in toilet paper and with sunglasses on, looking like the invisible man.

It's a good doc; some people (Erik Neilsen for one) got a little too much screen time (and are a little too full of themselves) but the behind the scenes stuff is good.   One of the bonus sections shows Mark Kelly and Steve Rothery (independently) editing "You're Gone" for the single release.   It's fascinating to watch a band like Marillion; for all their "music first", EVERY ONE OF THEM knows the details of their business venture.  That's a good thing, by the way, not a knock, but if you followed them back in the day, it was very much a "we're playing, someone else is responsible for that" and we all know the stories about John Arnison (the manager that, in a way, came between the band and Fish; he gave a sort of "either he goes or I go" and we all know how that turned out).   They know all the budgets, what the spends are, Hogarth talked of the "Holland numbers" for Anoraknophobia, and could tell you the weekly chart positions of the Marbles singles... 

I also ripped a short - minute and a half or so - instrumental segment of "The Damage" that RULES.  It's about 20 minutes before the end of the main doc, under a montage of a load-in.  Pretty cool guitar part, if you ask me.

Well, they have had 25 years to learn their business. They got a head start on learning how the current "music industry" works today.  I still consider Fripp to be the pioneer because he was "forced" to learn it but Marillion were there within 5 years after that though I suppose you could argue Fish was in between those two but  he hasn't really excelled at it. He does explain his lack of downloadable material on his website in a recent Fish on Friday.

On a somewhat related note, Fish said that Rothery is starting his own thing and about an hour after Fish finishes every Friday.  Friday night is looking a lot like must see TV for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 29, 2020, 08:06:12 AM
I watched the rest of the bonus stuff - ugh.  The main doc was too long and suffers from the complaints I mentioned, and the bonus footage is that footage padded out.   It loses it's uniqueness hearing eight different people say the same things over and over (think "Nigel" in Spinal Tap while reading): "Well, the <lighting/sound/merch/whatever> is critical, really.  If the band doesn't feel like home, then the whole thing falls apart, dunnit?  No one really knows how long the days are, they're really long, and the work is so hard, and it's all in the details, right?  If <light/drum mic/flight case/whatever> is even six inches to the left, then the whole thing is bollocks, innit?  But I love what I do, and the people are... well, they're dicks, really."  <Cut to the guy who was just talking throwing a <light cable/t-shirt/empty paper cup/whatever> at Erik Nielsen or vice versa, or two or three of them dancing a stupid jig on the empty stage>. 

There was some insight; the keyboard rig fascinates me.  I for the life of me can't figure out if Mark Kelly actually plays piano, or isn't just a fancy DJ.   It seems that there are a LOT of moments where he hits one key and an entire figure plays out over the monitors.   I can't decide if that's really "playing" or not.   Also, Rothery's guitar tech during the Marbles and Somewhere Else tours (Colin Price) is now the guitar tech for none other than Dave Murray, so he must be doing something right.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 03, 2020, 04:28:55 PM

There was some insight; the keyboard rig fascinates me.  I for the life of me can't figure out if Mark Kelly actually plays piano, or isn't just a fancy DJ.   It seems that there are a LOT of moments where he hits one key and an entire figure plays out over the monitors.   I can't decide if that's really "playing" or not.   

If he's playing something else after he presses the button I'm fine with it, but if he hits the button and just stands there then I'm with you.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 08, 2020, 08:25:56 AM
Speaking of Mark Kelly, he has a new solo project coming out soon called Mark Kelly’s Marathon. A short video with some background music that sounds promising is up on the band’s Facebook page.

https://m.facebook.com/mkmarathon#!/story.php?story_fbid=127287069028591&id=104238538000111

Website with some gibberish to ponder:

https://marathonsounds.com/

Pre-order info apparently coming soon.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Walrus on July 08, 2020, 09:25:13 AM
Had a listen through Marbles yesterday morning. Such a great album. Ocean Cloud  :heart
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 08, 2020, 10:10:14 AM
Had a listen through Marbles yesterday morning. Such a great album. Ocean Cloud  :heart

AWESOME album.    Ocean Cloud is like the fifth best song on there, though.   The Damage, Drilling Holes, Genie, Marbles IV, Neverland....

Neverland; I saw Marillion on the FEAR tour and I literally cried the entire song.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Walrus on July 08, 2020, 10:12:38 AM
Had a listen through Marbles yesterday morning. Such a great album. Ocean Cloud  :heart

AWESOME album.    Ocean Cloud is like the fifth best song on there, though.   The Damage, Drilling Holes, Genie, Marbles IV, Neverland....

Neverland; I saw Marillion on the FEAR tour and I literally cried the entire song.

I don't know whether to high five you for loving The Damage or cry that you like it more than OC! :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 08, 2020, 10:36:52 AM
HAHAHA. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 08, 2020, 11:11:01 AM
The Damage is a fun little song, though I wouldn’t rate it above Ocean Cloud personally. I love the funky middle section though. Have always really liked this performance of it from Marbles on the Road. Pete really nails that bass part here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx7hebK6Ky0
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: DTA on July 08, 2020, 12:35:31 PM
Marbles is a great album, but I cannot for the life of me understand why everyone thinks so highly of Fantastic Place. I'm not the biggest fan of Neverland either, but that one I can at least understand why it's so beloved as it is quite moving in spots. But Fantastic Place...just another h-era plodding buzzkill of a semi-mumbled lyric with a decent outro. I'd even take Hope For The Future over it
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 08, 2020, 12:40:42 PM
Buried in the "Colours And Sound" DVD is a minute and a half or so of the song without vocals, and it's such a great guitar line in that song.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 08, 2020, 01:01:55 PM
Marbles is a great album, but I cannot for the life of me understand why everyone thinks so highly of Fantastic Place. I'm not the biggest fan of Neverland either, but that one I can at least understand why it's so beloved as it is quite moving in spots. But Fantastic Place...just another h-era plodding buzzkill of a semi-mumbled lyric with a decent outro. I'd even take Hope For The Future over it

Fantastic Place might be my favorite Marillion song and one of my favorite songs ever. It’s a beautifully crafted and recorded song. I believe it was Dave Meegan who said the idea was for the song to start small and just slowly zoom out to this big beautiful panorama of sound. The lyrics are great, the solo is great, it’s just kind of got everything I love about Marillion. But I’m a sucker for sentimental stuff (even if the song isn’t necessarily as sentimental as I originally thought).

Take me to the island
I’ll watch the rain over your shoulder
The street lights on the wet stone
The moment outside of real life
...
Forgive me if I stare
But I can see the island behind your tired, troubled eyes

*climactic guitar solo*

Just beautiful.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 08, 2020, 01:21:20 PM
My opinion only, but the Meegan records are the best H-era Marillion records.   Clearly they are going for something different now, but just like the two Kimsey records are the best of the Fish-era, so these.  I'd love it if they go back to working with him.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 08, 2020, 01:35:19 PM
My opinion only, but the Meegan records are the best H-era Marillion records.   Clearly they are going for something different now, but just like the two Kimsey records are the best of the Fish-era, so these.  I'd love it if they go back to working with him.

I think FEAR was a pretty big step forward for the band under Mike Hunter. It’s the best thing they’ve done since Marbles IMO, despite a few awkward passages. I also really liked Sounds and I don’t hate Somewhere Else or Happiness. I kind of think each of the Hunter produced albums has improved over the one before it, and I thought he did a fantastic job removing Afraid of Sunlight and Radiation. But I would also love to see them work with Meegan again, or maybe some totally off the map producer. I don’t love the idea of having a producer who is essentially a full time employee of the band just on principle.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: DTA on July 08, 2020, 03:46:43 PM
Marbles is a great album, but I cannot for the life of me understand why everyone thinks so highly of Fantastic Place. I'm not the biggest fan of Neverland either, but that one I can at least understand why it's so beloved as it is quite moving in spots. But Fantastic Place...just another h-era plodding buzzkill of a semi-mumbled lyric with a decent outro. I'd even take Hope For The Future over it

Fantastic Place might be my favorite Marillion song and one of my favorite songs ever. It’s a beautifully crafted and recorded song. I believe it was Dave Meegan who said the idea was for the song to start small and just slowly zoom out to this big beautiful panorama of sound. The lyrics are great, the solo is great, it’s just kind of got everything I love about Marillion. But I’m a sucker for sentimental stuff (even if the song isn’t necessarily as sentimental as I originally thought).

Take me to the island
I’ll watch the rain over your shoulder
The street lights on the wet stone
The moment outside of real life
...
Forgive me if I stare
But I can see the island behind your tired, troubled eyes

*climactic guitar solo*

Just beautiful.

Those are good lyrics, I'll admit. I can listen to a song 1000 times and never even "hear" the lyrics so unless there's a line/phrase that really jumps out, it's just not something I ever focus on. I just don't hear the music the same way you (and seemingly every other Marillion fan) do. I don't get swept away in it, I just get annoyed and wish it would hurry the fuck up to the end. It's weird, I have patience for some bands taking a ton of time to get somewhere (lots of post-rock) but it bothers me when Marillion does it.  ???
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 08, 2020, 04:11:40 PM
Marbles is a great album, but I cannot for the life of me understand why everyone thinks so highly of Fantastic Place. I'm not the biggest fan of Neverland either, but that one I can at least understand why it's so beloved as it is quite moving in spots. But Fantastic Place...just another h-era plodding buzzkill of a semi-mumbled lyric with a decent outro. I'd even take Hope For The Future over it

Fantastic Place might be my favorite Marillion song and one of my favorite songs ever. It’s a beautifully crafted and recorded song. I believe it was Dave Meegan who said the idea was for the song to start small and just slowly zoom out to this big beautiful panorama of sound. The lyrics are great, the solo is great, it’s just kind of got everything I love about Marillion. But I’m a sucker for sentimental stuff (even if the song isn’t necessarily as sentimental as I originally thought).

Take me to the island
I’ll watch the rain over your shoulder
The street lights on the wet stone
The moment outside of real life
...
Forgive me if I stare
But I can see the island behind your tired, troubled eyes

*climactic guitar solo*

Just beautiful.

Those are good lyrics, I'll admit. I can listen to a song 1000 times and never even "hear" the lyrics so unless there's a line/phrase that really jumps out, it's just not something I ever focus on. I just don't hear the music the same way you (and seemingly every other Marillion fan) do. I don't get swept away in it, I just get annoyed and wish it would hurry the fuck up to the end. It's weird, I have patience for some bands taking a ton of time to get somewhere (lots of post-rock) but it bothers me when Marillion does it.  ???

I definitely like quiet moments and crescendos, and don’t mind letting a song take its time to build to something. I’ve noticed that softer or more introspective songs that strike me as really beautiful can just sort of get lost on others. Which is totally OK, we all hear and like different things in music.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 11, 2020, 02:13:16 PM
Marbles is a great album, but I cannot for the life of me understand why everyone thinks so highly of Fantastic Place. I'm not the biggest fan of Neverland either, but that one I can at least understand why it's so beloved as it is quite moving in spots. But Fantastic Place...just another h-era plodding buzzkill of a semi-mumbled lyric with a decent outro. I'd even take Hope For The Future over it

Neverland is one of the best Live Marillion songs ever. At least it used to be. I think the tempo was a bit slower when I last saw it about 4 years ago.

I like Fantastic Place too, but I would probably take Hope For The Future instead.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 11, 2020, 02:21:14 PM
People seem to generally hate Hope for the Future. I don’t mind it at all, I just think they kind of whiffed on the arrangement. There’s something inauthentic sounding about all the Caribbean/Latin instrumentation, and it kind of feels like imitation world music. I’d have to look, but I’m guessing it’s all keyboard patches instead of real instruments. It’s something that would have been cool to revisit as part of Less is More or even the Friends from the Orchestra album though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 11, 2020, 02:24:10 PM
Speaking of Mark Kelly, he has a new solo project coming out soon called Mark Kelly’s Marathon. A short video with some background music that sounds promising is up on the band’s Facebook page.

https://m.facebook.com/mkmarathon#!/story.php?story_fbid=127287069028591&id=104238538000111

Website with some gibberish to ponder:

https://marathonsounds.com/

Pre-order info apparently coming soon.

Always on board with projects from Rothery, Trewavas, and Mosley (and Fish obviously), but that's kind of where it ends for me.


Need to learn more about this one.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 11, 2020, 02:29:07 PM
People seem to generally hate Hope for the Future. I don’t mind it at all, I just think they kind of whiffed on the arrangement. There’s something inauthentic sounding about all the Caribbean/Latin instrumentation, and it kind of feels like imitation world music. I’d have to look, but I’m guessing it’s all keyboard patches instead of real instruments. It’s something that would have been cool to revisit as part of Less is More or even the Friends from the Orchestra album though.

I'm a huge fan of This Strange Engine (might be my favorite Hogarth vocal performance) and I like that aspect of it.  I suppose it might sound inauthentic, but that never really bothered me because of the lack of a budget they had at that time. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 11, 2020, 02:43:44 PM
Has Kelly done anything outside of Marillion besides the DeeExpus album he played on a little while back? He’s certain kind of the quiet one in the group musically speaking. I get the sense he has a number of hobbies outside of music, and when he isn’t working his day job at Marillion he hasn’t felt the need for additional musical outlets.

TSE is kind of an odd album for me. I love some of it and am indifferent to some of it. Man of a Thousand Faces is great, Estonia is a classic, and I’ve come to really love the title track. I like One Fine Day and Eighty Days well enough. I don’t really like Accidental Man that much (borrows a bit too much from The Police). Memory of Water is another example of a song that needed a more authentic touch (they finally got it right on Less is More IMO). Then Hope for the Future is ok but has its issues as well. It’s not a bad album, just not my favorite from Marillion.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 11, 2020, 02:52:55 PM
Has Kelly done anything outside of Marillion besides the DeeExpus album he played on a little while back? He’s certain kind of the quiet one in the group musically speaking. I get the sense he has a number of hobbies outside of music, and when he isn’t working his day job at Marillion he hasn’t felt the need for additional musical outlets.

TSE is kind of an odd album for me. I love some of it and am indifferent to some of it. Man of a Thousand Faces is great, Estonia is a classic, and I’ve come to really love the title track. I like One Fine Day and Eighty Days well enough. I don’t really like Accidental Man that much (borrows a bit too much from The Police). Memory of Water is another example of a song that needed a more authentic touch (they finally got it right on Less is More IMO). Then Hope for the Future is ok but has its issues as well. It’s not a bad album, just not my favorite from Marillion.

Really only aware of DeeExpus and I don't recall being impressed.

This Strange Engine is a Top 5 Hogarth studio Marillion album for me. I really love the timbre on it as well.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 21, 2020, 09:16:53 AM
I went through a pretty extensive Marillion kick in March/April when the shutdown hit, mostly live stuff, and thought I had exhausted that for a while. Then the topic of Pete’s bass playing with Marillion came up in the Transatlantic thread and for the last two days I’ve been listening to Marillion again with an emphasis on soaking up all the Trewavas bass playing goodness.

I made a comment that he’s pretty much equal parts Squire and McCartney on bass, and I think that holds up. You probably get more of the Squire side of him in the Fish era and in projects like Transatlantic, and more of the McCartney side in the H era. Though he does have his more modern rock/trip hop/EDM moments as well, and has his own unique style apart from his influences.

One thing I love about Marillion is because they aren’t a heavy riff band, Pete gets to really fill in the sound with his playing. He can be both really meaty in terms of a sound that drives the song, but also melodic/harmonic in a way that really colors the track.

He’s particularly awesome on Afraid of Sunlight (Gazpacho being probably my favorite PT moment) and Clutching at Straws, but he never really lets up on any of their albums. One song that hit me listening to it again was The Uninvited Guest. It’s not necessarily a favorite song of mine, but Pete is all over that track, giving it a whole different vibe than if he had just played it straight. Another song on Seasons End that he really forms the basis for is Holloway Girl. It opens with a repeating base figure that sounds like a guitar lick (something he does throughout their catalog), then he comes in with the bass pedals and just makes this monster of a sound.

Those are just a few of the awesome moments. Marillion are a band of formidable players/musical personalities, but I can’t help but feel that Pete is absolutely critical to their overall sound and longevity. He has so much musicality, and I suspect he wears more hats than just bass player when it comes to writing and arranging, as well as just being a swell, down to earth guy who probably keeps the rest of the egos in the band in check a bit.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on July 21, 2020, 09:33:49 AM

One thing I love about Marillion is because they aren’t a heavy riff band, Pete gets to really fill in the sound with his playing. He can be both really meaty in terms of a sound that drives the song, but also melodic/harmonic in a way that really colors the track.

He’s particularly awesome on Afraid of Sunlight (Gazpacho being probably my favorite PT moment) and Clutching at Straws, but he never really lets up on any of their albums. One song that hit me listening to it again was The Uninvited Guest. It’s not necessarily a favorite song of mine, but Pete is all over that track, giving it a whole different vibe than if he had just played it straight. Another song on Seasons End that he really forms the basis for is Holloway Girl. It opens with a repeating base figure that sounds like a guitar lick (something he does throughout their catalog), then he comes in with the bass pedals and just makes this monster of a sound.



He really is a master of the low end in that band.  He's very similar to the way Mike Rutherford worked in Genesis, only he does his rhythm guitar work on the bass.  My favorite example of that is the outro to King.  He builds the intensity with his bass line on the bass, and then, when he brings the bass pedals in, he switches his playing to more of a rhythm guitar line as the section builds.  So well done.  Add in the samples he triggers, and the backing vocals he does, if he covered some keyboard parts, he'd be Marillion's Geddy Lee.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 21, 2020, 09:44:16 AM
Yeah, I definitely see similarities to Rutherford, at least in terms of his placement within the band’s sound. But he also captures Rutherford’s style at times on Transatlantic for sure. Definitely love the way he mixes in the bass pedals as well.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 22, 2020, 07:45:57 AM
 I seem to recall somewhere, on a doc or something, that the band has acknowledged he's probably the most purely "musical" of the members.  He can sing, and in that same acknowledgement I think it was Rothery who said "if Pete picks up an instrument, he can play it" or something along those lines.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 22, 2020, 08:35:56 AM
I seem to recall somewhere, on a doc or something, that the band has acknowledged he's probably the most purely "musical" of the members.  He can sing, and in that same acknowledgement I think it was Rothery who said "if Pete picks up an instrument, he can play it" or something along those lines.

I’ve seen him play guitar, bass (guitar and pedals), piano, and that marimba sort of thing on the Live at Cadogan concert, and he sings, so pretty versatile!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 22, 2020, 11:39:16 AM
Has Kelly done anything outside of Marillion besides the DeeExpus album he played on a little while back? He’s certain kind of the quiet one in the group musically speaking. I get the sense he has a number of hobbies outside of music, and when he isn’t working his day job at Marillion he hasn’t felt the need for additional musical outlets.

-the Ayreon album "The Source."

-Edison's Children's debut album "In the Last Waking Moments..." which has all of the other members of Marillion as well.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on July 22, 2020, 12:24:17 PM
I seem to recall somewhere, on a doc or something, that the band has acknowledged he's probably the most purely "musical" of the members.  He can sing, and in that same acknowledgement I think it was Rothery who said "if Pete picks up an instrument, he can play it" or something along those lines.

I’ve seen him play guitar, bass (guitar and pedals), piano, and that marimba sort of thing on the Live at Cadogan concert, and he sings, so pretty versatile!

I've heard there may be audio out there of a show Marillion played as a 4-piece with Pete on lead vocals that they did in between Fish's departure and H joining the band.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 22, 2020, 12:57:54 PM
Has Kelly done anything outside of Marillion besides the DeeExpus album he played on a little while back? He’s certain kind of the quiet one in the group musically speaking. I get the sense he has a number of hobbies outside of music, and when he isn’t working his day job at Marillion he hasn’t felt the need for additional musical outlets.

-the Ayreon album "The Source."

-Edison's Children's debut album "In the Last Waking Moments..." which has all of the other members of Marillion as well.

I have heard that Edison’s Children album but didn’t realize the other guys from Marillion played on it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 22, 2020, 01:03:02 PM
I seem to recall somewhere, on a doc or something, that the band has acknowledged he's probably the most purely "musical" of the members.  He can sing, and in that same acknowledgement I think it was Rothery who said "if Pete picks up an instrument, he can play it" or something along those lines.

I’ve seen him play guitar, bass (guitar and pedals), piano, and that marimba sort of thing on the Live at Cadogan concert, and he sings, so pretty versatile!

I've heard there may be audio out there of a show Marillion played as a 4-piece with Pete on lead vocals that they did in between Fish's departure and H joining the band.

I've heard that the show happened, I didn't know there was audio.   I LOVE that kind of stuff.  The Kiss show as a trio with Gene singing, the Sabbath shows with Rob Halford as fill-in... fun stuff (though probably not for the band). 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 24, 2020, 06:47:44 PM

One thing I love about Marillion is because they aren’t a heavy riff band, Pete gets to really fill in the sound with his playing. He can be both really meaty in terms of a sound that drives the song, but also melodic/harmonic in a way that really colors the track.

He’s particularly awesome on Afraid of Sunlight (Gazpacho being probably my favorite PT moment) and Clutching at Straws, but he never really lets up on any of their albums. One song that hit me listening to it again was The Uninvited Guest. It’s not necessarily a favorite song of mine, but Pete is all over that track, giving it a whole different vibe than if he had just played it straight. Another song on Seasons End that he really forms the basis for is Holloway Girl. It opens with a repeating base figure that sounds like a guitar lick (something he does throughout their catalog), then he comes in with the bass pedals and just makes this monster of a sound.



He really is a master of the low end in that band.  He's very similar to the way Mike Rutherford worked in Genesis, only he does his rhythm guitar work on the bass.  My favorite example of that is the outro to King.  He builds the intensity with his bass line on the bass, and then, when he brings the bass pedals in, he switches his playing to more of a rhythm guitar line as the section builds.  So well done.  Add in the samples he triggers, and the backing vocals he does, if he covered some keyboard parts, he'd be Marillion's Geddy Lee.

Fair assessment. 

King kills me EVERY SINGLE TIME (especially live)  Far and away my favorite song from that album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 24, 2020, 06:49:42 PM
Has Kelly done anything outside of Marillion besides the DeeExpus album he played on a little while back? He’s certain kind of the quiet one in the group musically speaking. I get the sense he has a number of hobbies outside of music, and when he isn’t working his day job at Marillion he hasn’t felt the need for additional musical outlets.

-the Ayreon album "The Source."

-Edison's Children's debut album "In the Last Waking Moments..." which has all of the other members of Marillion as well.

I really dig all of those Edison's Children albums. It's not Marillion, but tasty sweet nonetheless.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on August 26, 2020, 11:30:15 AM
I got laid off last Friday and I’m taking a few days at home. (I’m a union electrician, so I should be able to go back out fairly soon)

But this morning I’m kicking back and watching the “sackcloth and greasepaint” documentary from the new deluxe edition of Script. And it immediately struck me that all the rest of the bandmembers will refer to Fish as Fish. But Mick Pointer has only spoken of “Derek Dick”. He’s done it three times now and I don’t think he’s said Fish even once. It just makes me wonder if there’s a story behind that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on August 26, 2020, 12:45:58 PM
Actually, the more I read about it, sounds like Fish and Mick we are really the two that had a problem with one another. And obviously, we all know who was bound to win that one.

Still, it seems somewhat comical to me that Mick refuses to address him by his stage name to this day.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on August 26, 2020, 12:52:26 PM
Actually, the more I read about it, sounds like Fish and Mick we are really the two that had a problem with one another. And obviously, we all know who was bound to win that one.

Still, it seems somewhat comical to me that Mick refuses to address him by his stage name to this day.

I’m passing along hearsay from the Marillion forum, but Mark Kelly apparently mentioned in a recent interview that Mick refused to be in the same room as Fish for the documentary. So definitely still bad blood.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on August 26, 2020, 12:57:45 PM
I will say that it does seem like it’s fish that pushes the narrative that Mick Pointer wasn’t a good enough drummer. But I’m not necessarily sure I’m buying it. they had already replaced two members of the band fairly quickly because they knew that from a talent standpoint they just weren’t up to the level they wanted to be at. and yet in spite of that fact, Mick managed to stay in the band for another year or two. It just doesn’t add up. It sounds to me more like there were some extreme personal differences between Mick and Fish, and the acrimony was going to tear the band apart. but rather than say that he and Mick just hated each other and airing out the dirty laundry, Fish chose to take a stab at Mick’s playing ability. He even takes another couched stab at it in this documentary by insinuating that the producer had to spend far more time working with Mick to get it right than anybody else in the band. So whatever was the cause, it sounds like the bad blood continues in both directions to this day.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on August 26, 2020, 01:09:12 PM
On the subject of Marillion drummers, Ian Moseley cracking me up.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEXPxB1n2H0/
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 26, 2020, 02:03:36 PM
I'm not saying I'm an expert, nor that I was there, but it's been the story for almost 35 years now that it was a matter of upgrading the band.   I think that others in the band felt the same way.  Ian Mosley WAS an upgrade. 

But the reality is, Fish was a dick as well as a Dick.   He sacked his best friend and the guy that got him into the band (Diz Minnitt) and they were hungry to be more than the Marquee house band.   I have no doubt that it was complicated, and was in part based on his drumming, and in part based on Fish being more important to the band, and in part based on Fish pretending he was the de facto leader of the band. 

I don't put too much stock in him lasting a year beyond Jelliman and Minnitt.  He was a founding member, and the band gave him options he didn't take up.  He also quit the business for almost ten years before forming Arena.

“If you had walked in during the drum recording, it would have been quite stressful,” says Fish. “There had been issues with Mick Pointer’s drumming around the time of MarketSquare Heroes, and when Nick Tauber came in, the first thing he said was, ‘We’ve got a problem with Mick Pointer‘. People tried to deal with it in a subtle way: ‘Mick, do you think you could take some drum lessons to discover some different aspects to drumming?’. That went down like sick in a space suit. That brought an added tension to things. Everybody was walking on eggshells. There was a lot of animosity from Mick towards the rest of the band. He thought he was being betrayed, but he was still in the band. People wanted us to get rid of Mick before we did Script…, but the band stuck by him.” (https://www.loudersound.com/features/marillion-the-story-behind-script-for-a-jester-s-tear)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on August 26, 2020, 02:13:21 PM
That clarifies things a bit.  But one glaring difference is that Diz was interviewed as well and made it pretty clear that he carried no negative feelings whatsoever anymore.   I *think* I even heard hints that he and Fish have long since buried the hatchet and are (at least somewhat) friends to this day.   But that could just be because they had been best buds before and it doesn't sound like there was that pre-existing camaraderie in Mick's case.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 27, 2020, 08:27:55 AM
That clarifies things a bit.  But one glaring difference is that Diz was interviewed as well and made it pretty clear that he carried no negative feelings whatsoever anymore.   I *think* I even heard hints that he and Fish have long since buried the hatchet and are (at least somewhat) friends to this day.   But that could just be because they had been best buds before and it doesn't sound like there was that pre-existing camaraderie in Mick's case.

Yeah, there was a tweet not long ago - within the last six months - from Fish celebrating Diz; birthday or some shit.  They lost touch while Marillion was on the way up, but have reconnected.

As for Mick, remember, he was a founding member, so he and Steve (and Brian Jelliman) were together well before Fish joined.   Fish and Diz joined together, then Mark and Pete phased in as their gigs got bigger (locally).  Those Marquee gigs are really what broke them, and they went international.  But to the rest of the band, Fish was the point-man of the band.  The Marquee was his hangout, and he was the mouth piece of the band.  So when Fish pointed the finger at Pointer - pun intended - there was at least some ruthlessness in the face of fame kind of thing.  Not that different than Maiden, in some ways (there are actually a LOT of parallels between Marillion and Maiden, outside of the music). 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 29, 2020, 10:06:35 AM
Actually, the more I read about it, sounds like Fish and Mick we are really the two that had a problem with one another. And obviously, we all know who was bound to win that one.

Still, it seems somewhat comical to me that Mick refuses to address him by his stage name to this day.

I’m passing along hearsay from the Marillion forum, but Mark Kelly apparently mentioned in a recent interview that Mick refused to be in the same room as Fish for the documentary. So definitely still bad blood.

Do you have a link for the Marillion forum? Kind of curious to read about that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on August 29, 2020, 10:26:05 AM
Actually, the more I read about it, sounds like Fish and Mick we are really the two that had a problem with one another. And obviously, we all know who was bound to win that one.

Still, it seems somewhat comical to me that Mick refuses to address him by his stage name to this day.

I’m passing along hearsay from the Marillion forum, but Mark Kelly apparently mentioned in a recent interview that Mick refused to be in the same room as Fish for the documentary. So definitely still bad blood.

Do you have a link for the Marillion forum? Kind of curious to read about that.

If this link works, it should be the last post on this page (no link to the interview so not sure where to find it to verify):

http://forum.marillion.com/forum/index.php?topic=9986.225
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 29, 2020, 10:31:12 AM
Actually, the more I read about it, sounds like Fish and Mick we are really the two that had a problem with one another. And obviously, we all know who was bound to win that one.

Still, it seems somewhat comical to me that Mick refuses to address him by his stage name to this day.

I’m passing along hearsay from the Marillion forum, but Mark Kelly apparently mentioned in a recent interview that Mick refused to be in the same room as Fish for the documentary. So definitely still bad blood.

Do you have a link for the Marillion forum? Kind of curious to read about that.

If this link works, it should be the last post on this page (no link to the interview so not sure where to find it to verify):

http://forum.marillion.com/forum/index.php?topic=9986.225

Thanks. Looks like I'll have to register. Not sure why I wouldn't have joined before now, but I suppose it makes sense.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on August 29, 2020, 02:30:59 PM
It’s a bit of a ghost town over there (what message board isn’t), but the current releases still tend to generate some conversation at least.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 04, 2020, 01:47:25 PM
Couch Convention happening now. Now showing Marbles in the Park.

https://www.marillionweekend.com/athome/main/
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 06, 2020, 02:37:08 PM
Pete’s master class from the couch convention is mostly cracking me up (he shot the whole thing sideways and with the image flipped around somehow), but it’s worth it just to get to see him play Cannibal Surf Babe at the end.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEzOXB8H5QB/
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on September 06, 2020, 03:01:45 PM
Brave live is so perfect. :heart
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 07, 2020, 08:50:55 AM
Something else to come out of the convention this weekend, the first track released from Mark Kelly’s Marathon. Overall I like it. More proggy and ambitious than I expected. The lyrics are a bit wordy/awkward, but I like the singer a lot. Reminds me somewhat of Big Big Train.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?ab_channel=MarkKelly%27sMarathon&fbclid=IwAR2SZ4xkAvuI9n1MfRLuh2Y-aB7FlF6sV0xzmf6aUKvYvhNTRnLohVSsydc&v=aRrs0WwOx_g
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on September 07, 2020, 09:56:56 AM
I listened to the Marbles broadcast today whilst working. Enjoyed it. Started listening to Brave but ran out of time, will finish it later at home. The Q&A with the guy from Prog magazine was fun. I always thought H was miserable from his stage persona when I saw him (Season's End and Brave tours) but he's entertaining in this format.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 07, 2020, 11:14:24 AM
I listened to the Marbles broadcast today whilst working. Enjoyed it. Started listening to Brave but ran out of time, will finish it later at home. The Q&A with the guy from Prog magazine was fun. I always thought H was miserable from his stage persona when I saw him (Season's End and Brave tours) but he's entertaining in this format.

His podcast can be quite a hoot. Worth checking out for that side of H’s personality. I don’t get the sense that he’s ever taken himself all that seriously, but perhaps he has mellowed over time.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on September 07, 2020, 02:20:57 PM
I listened to the Marbles broadcast today whilst working. Enjoyed it. Started listening to Brave but ran out of time, will finish it later at home. The Q&A with the guy from Prog magazine was fun. I always thought H was miserable from his stage persona when I saw him (Season's End and Brave tours) but he's entertaining in this format.

His podcast can be quite a hoot. Worth checking out for that side of H’s personality. I don’t get the sense that he’s ever taken himself all that seriously, but perhaps he has mellowed over time.

Might have been coloured by my disappointment at Fish leaving, or maybe there was all that weight and pressure of replacing such an iconic band member.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on September 08, 2020, 08:25:05 AM
I listened to the Marbles broadcast today whilst working. Enjoyed it. Started listening to Brave but ran out of time, will finish it later at home. The Q&A with the guy from Prog magazine was fun. I always thought H was miserable from his stage persona when I saw him (Season's End and Brave tours) but he's entertaining in this format.

His podcast can be quite a hoot. Worth checking out for that side of H’s personality. I don’t get the sense that he’s ever taken himself all that seriously, but perhaps he has mellowed over time.

I'm kind of with Lowdz.   He has his moments of "breezy", but he can veer into sanctimony and judgment pretty quick, and while I'd rarely exclude a band because we don't see eye-to-eye, it does matter HOW we disagree.   I was ripping Pearl Jam to my hard drive this weekend, and it dawned on me, Eddie's stridency can be a tad off-putting when you're not in the moment of the concert.   I think H can be that way too at times.   Then again, I've never met the man, so what do I know?   

(To be fair, there is a doc on the "Colours and Sound" DVD where he walks through many of the songs on Marbles, and he's rather charming.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 08, 2020, 09:19:19 AM
I guess his stage persona can be somewhat strident in regard to the more somber/political songs they’ve done. But he’s pretty goofy both in concert and out. Like I said, listen to one of his podcast episodes. He’s just a complete goofball. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on September 08, 2020, 01:14:23 PM
Also, when I saw them do Brave it’s not a piece that lends itself to lightheartedness 😀

First time I saw him I had him down as an art school wanker - I can be very judgemental at times 😀
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: devieira73 on September 11, 2020, 12:22:51 PM
Mark's solo album:
https://marathonsounds.com/

There's a song on Spotify :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 19, 2020, 04:37:04 PM
Pete’s master class from the couch convention is mostly cracking me up (he shot the whole thing sideways and with the image flipped around somehow), but it’s worth it just to get to see him play Cannibal Surf Babe at the end.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEzOXB8H5QB/

I thought that the solo interludes were more fun than the concerts themselves.  Ian reading from his biography, Rothery mixing drinks....Pete... Classic stuff. I didn't catch the last day except for the opening stuff and Rothery because I'm just not a Brave fan. Really bummed that Rothery push his solo album back to next year but I guess that means the new Marillion album is coming along.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 19, 2020, 05:17:18 PM
Pete’s master class from the couch convention is mostly cracking me up (he shot the whole thing sideways and with the image flipped around somehow), but it’s worth it just to get to see him play Cannibal Surf Babe at the end.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEzOXB8H5QB/

I thought that the solo interludes were more fun than the concerts themselves.  Ian reading from his biography, Rothery mixing drinks....Pete... Classic stuff. I didn't catch the last day except for the opening stuff and Rothery because I'm just not a Brave fan. Really bummed that Rothery push his solo album back to next year but I guess that means the new Marillion album is coming along.

It sounds like they are going to push to finish the Marillion album in time for a release by the end of 2021, but I’m not sure how far along it really is. H mentioned on his podcast that they recently all got back together in the studio with Rothery for the first time since COVID started (he’s been staying away due to his diabetes, which is also why he’s lost a good bit of weight recently). The impression I got was that progress is being made, but they always work slowly so who knows.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 03, 2020, 02:28:46 PM
Pete’s master class from the couch convention is mostly cracking me up (he shot the whole thing sideways and with the image flipped around somehow), but it’s worth it just to get to see him play Cannibal Surf Babe at the end.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEzOXB8H5QB/

I thought that the solo interludes were more fun than the concerts themselves.  Ian reading from his biography, Rothery mixing drinks....Pete... Classic stuff. I didn't catch the last day except for the opening stuff and Rothery because I'm just not a Brave fan. Really bummed that Rothery push his solo album back to next year but I guess that means the new Marillion album is coming along.

It sounds like they are going to push to finish the Marillion album in time for a release by the end of 2021, but I’m not sure how far along it really is. H mentioned on his podcast that they recently all got back together in the studio with Rothery for the first time since COVID started (he’s been staying away due to his diabetes, which is also why he’s lost a good bit of weight recently). The impression I got was that progress is being made, but they always work slowly so who knows.

I don't know how far along the new Marillion album is either, but if it was coming along they probably would have said something by now.

 Heard something interesting on the last Fish on Friday broadcast. Fish was talking with Ian Mosely (can't remember when) and Ian told him that the band really doesn't speak to each other much other when they are off on their own....Only when there is band business involved. I guess that shouldn't be all that surprising given that everyone is older and has their own lives which is typically normal, but I guess it struck me that they aren't all really close mates.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on October 03, 2020, 02:40:04 PM
Funny that ytserush should mention that, because I was pondering the concept of band chemistry and bands being friends for the last few days. And it occurred to me that often (not always) the reason a band will put out some of their best work at the beginning is because it is usually at that point where everyone is hanging out together, they are friends, and that atmosphere creates good chemistry. Yes, good art can also be produced under tensions as well...but it doesn’t seem too often that something amazing comes from a distant group that has grown indifferent to one another beyond a working relationship.

I also think that’s a big reason why Rush was able to release one of their most highly regarded albums at the end of their career. It was BECAUSE they were best friends who enjoyed each other’s company and truly loved working together. Not sure if I can think of any other rock band with the internal friendship that Rush had.

But this whole thing might be for another thread
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on October 03, 2020, 02:48:04 PM
Funny that ytserush should mention that, because I was pondering the concept of band chemistry and bands being friends for the last few days. And it occurred to me that often (not always) the reason a band will put out some of their best work at the beginning is because it is usually at that point where everyone is hanging out together, they are friends, and that atmosphere creates good chemistry. Yes, good art can also be produced under tensions as well...but it doesn’t seem too often that something amazing comes from a distant group that has grown indifferent to one another beyond a working relationship.

I also think that’s a big reason why Rush was able to release one of their most highly regarded albums at the end of their career. It was BECAUSE they were best friends who enjoyed each other’s company and truly loved working together. Not sure if I can think of any other rock band with the internal friendship that Rush had.

But this whole thing might be for another thread
I was thinking the exact same thing about Rush. Even during the roughest times in their career, the fact that they were all close friends is probably what kept them together and moving forward. Then again it might be easier to maintain close friendships in a band with only 3 members as opposed to a band with 5 like Marillion.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on October 03, 2020, 05:10:06 PM
Pete’s master class from the couch convention is mostly cracking me up (he shot the whole thing sideways and with the image flipped around somehow), but it’s worth it just to get to see him play Cannibal Surf Babe at the end.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEzOXB8H5QB/

I thought that the solo interludes were more fun than the concerts themselves.  Ian reading from his biography, Rothery mixing drinks....Pete... Classic stuff. I didn't catch the last day except for the opening stuff and Rothery because I'm just not a Brave fan. Really bummed that Rothery push his solo album back to next year but I guess that means the new Marillion album is coming along.

It sounds like they are going to push to finish the Marillion album in time for a release by the end of 2021, but I’m not sure how far along it really is. H mentioned on his podcast that they recently all got back together in the studio with Rothery for the first time since COVID started (he’s been staying away due to his diabetes, which is also why he’s lost a good bit of weight recently). The impression I got was that progress is being made, but they always work slowly so who knows.

I don't know how far along the new Marillion album is either, but if it was coming along they probably would have said something by now.

 Heard something interesting on the last Fish on Friday broadcast. Fish was talking with Ian Mosely (can't remember when) and Ian told him that the band really doesn't speak to each other much other when they are off on their own....Only when there is band business involved. I guess that shouldn't be all that surprising given that everyone is older and has their own lives which is typically normal, but I guess it struck me that they aren't all really close mates.

I don’t know if they are or aren’t close, but on his podcast H frequently mentions how well they get along and that everyone in the band/organization are genuinely great people. It may be that they stick to a more or less business relationship, but he described a recent session at Racket where they all reconvened to record but Mike Hunter’s car broke down so they all sat around and had coffee and chatted/caught up instead.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 05, 2020, 02:03:27 AM
I always thought H was miserable from his stage persona when I saw him (Season's End and Brave tours) but he's entertaining in this format.

Yeah, I have a mate who finds H miserable - he's not, anything but, he just has a very dry sense of humour. He's trying to be funny and I guess some people do interpret that as miserable.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on October 05, 2020, 08:18:43 AM
Funny that ytserush should mention that, because I was pondering the concept of band chemistry and bands being friends for the last few days. And it occurred to me that often (not always) the reason a band will put out some of their best work at the beginning is because it is usually at that point where everyone is hanging out together, they are friends, and that atmosphere creates good chemistry. Yes, good art can also be produced under tensions as well...but it doesn’t seem too often that something amazing comes from a distant group that has grown indifferent to one another beyond a working relationship.

I also think that’s a big reason why Rush was able to release one of their most highly regarded albums at the end of their career. It was BECAUSE they were best friends who enjoyed each other’s company and truly loved working together. Not sure if I can think of any other rock band with the internal friendship that Rush had.

But this whole thing might be for another thread

We should have a thread on this, because I think just the opposite.  I think some of my LEAST favorite albums are made when all members of the band are all kumbaya and cozy.  I think it is just as likely to breed complacency and laze than it is "good music".

For me, Marillion is still, largely, chasing the first four albums, and that period is WELL documented.  They weren't best friends.  Fish was an outsider, in geography, age and temperament.   He has written thousands of words about how they were a gang, not "best mates" but with an attitude of "taking on the world".   

Pearl Jam; Stone and Jeff - best friends by many accounts - tried and got close, but no cigar (Green River, MLB, TOTD) and only hit it when the outsider - Eddie Vedder - joined, and only REALLY hit their "RnRHoF" stride when Eddie took over the band.  You read about the recording of their middle period albums, and almost every one had a moment of "the band almost broke up".  On PJ20, Stone even admits it (and doesn't look happy about doing it) when he says "it went from my band to Eddie's band, and I had a choice.  Go with it, or leave."

Jagger/Richards

U2; Achtung Baby, arguably their best album, was acrimonious at best.  Another "I thought the band was over" album.

Sabbath.  Maiden (Bruce and Steve).  Kiss.  Aerosmith (The Toxic Twins).   Deep Purple (Gillan and Blackmore; hell, EVERYONE and Blackmore).   DT (Mike and James).   The Kinks.  Oasis.   Motley Crue.  Van Halen.    Yes.  The Police (though they are friends now).   

I think the greatest of bands have to have mutual RESPECT, but they don't have to be best friends.  I think that sometimes even comes in the way; Rush is the exception that proves the rule (look at the Snakes and Arrows doc, during the recording of... I think it's "The Way The Wind Blows", and Geddy and Alex wanted something different for the drums, and they had Nick do the dirty job of telling Neal, who wasn't at all happy, but their mutual respect carried them through.

I think the only other band like Rush is Genesis, and it wasn't always THAT way either; they found their tension and their motivation from other places (members leaving, largely, as well as band members individual successes). 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 11, 2020, 12:02:53 PM
Funny that ytserush should mention that, because I was pondering the concept of band chemistry and bands being friends for the last few days. And it occurred to me that often (not always) the reason a band will put out some of their best work at the beginning is because it is usually at that point where everyone is hanging out together, they are friends, and that atmosphere creates good chemistry. Yes, good art can also be produced under tensions as well...but it doesn’t seem too often that something amazing comes from a distant group that has grown indifferent to one another beyond a working relationship.

I also think that’s a big reason why Rush was able to release one of their most highly regarded albums at the end of their career. It was BECAUSE they were best friends who enjoyed each other’s company and truly loved working together. Not sure if I can think of any other rock band with the internal friendship that Rush had.

But this whole thing might be for another thread

Didn't mean to suggest there was any acrimony in the band.  No doubt the dynamic changes over time when you approach the longevity these guys have. And of course I've always thought of Rush as the gold standard, so I guess that might have figured into why I was surprised.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 04, 2020, 09:35:41 AM
Listening to Clutching at Straws (2019 remix version) after having heard a fan podcast about it last night. It’s such an amazing album on every level. It’s Fish’s finest lyrical work, and every member of the band seems on top of their game. I don’t think Rothery gets enough credit for his work on this. He’s all over it, and his solos have a raw energy that isn’t alway there for him. Almost like given the tension between him and Fish during the making of they were trying to one up each other.

This 2019 mix tripped me up a bit when I first heard it, but overall it sounds really good. The drums are a bit smaller for lack of a better word (I think they were intentionally trying to take some of the 80s-ness out of them). I love how they added the guitar solo back in to Going Under (another example of Rothery pushing it on this album) which was previously only available as an alternate mix.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 07, 2020, 11:00:24 AM
Listening to Clutching at Straws (2019 remix version) after having heard a fan podcast about it last night. It’s such an amazing album on every level. It’s Fish’s finest lyrical work, and every member of the band seems on top of their game. I don’t think Rothery gets enough credit for his work on this. He’s all over it, and his solos have a raw energy that isn’t alway there for him. Almost like given the tension between him and Fish during the making of they were trying to one up each other.

This 2019 mix tripped me up a bit when I first heard it, but overall it sounds really good. The drums are a bit smaller for lack of a better word (I think they were intentionally trying to take some of the 80s-ness out of them). I love how they added the guitar solo back in to Going Under (another example of Rothery pushing it on this album) which was previously only available as an alternate mix.

Tried to get into the remix when it came out but I vastly prefer the original mix when I listen to the studio album. At this point, I'm more inclined to just pick a live show from the tour (Usually Milan) and get lost in that. I'm not sure I know of a Marillion live show that I don't like, but those Clutching shows are really special and are kind of a "Best of" of the Fish era.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 14, 2020, 06:54:20 PM
it's not Friday anymore, but I just noticed they added on Bandcamp
 "With Friends at St. David's" which includes "Zeparated Out," which I guess isn't too new, but still not played too often live.

Also "Glass Half Full" which is a 69-track making-of Marbles, lol.
https://marillionofficial.bandcamp.com/album/racket-56-glass-half-full-the-making-of-marbles
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on November 14, 2020, 10:00:01 PM
I just ordered the 2019 remix of clutching at straws last week, and it just arrived today. I haven’t even had a chance to listen to it yet.

The remix will be interesting to hear but it sounds like the crown jewel is going to be that two disc live show.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 21, 2020, 12:36:08 PM
I just ordered the 2019 remix of clutching at straws last week, and it just arrived today. I haven’t even had a chance to listen to it yet.

The remix will be interesting to hear but it sounds like the crown jewel is going to be that two disc live show.

I still prefer the original mix, maybe because of ridiculous amount of miles I have on it. The live show is my favorite aspect of it. Nothing will top Milan '88 on that tour for me but Edinburgh is pretty good too. The tape cuts out rather jarringly before the last three songs of the show but I think those are covers.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 24, 2020, 09:16:29 AM
This might be a fun event:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10159309804969341&id=8367514340

http://www.marillion.com/shop/merch/hogarth12.htm?fbclid=IwAR2wsB04UbR5glaJKrQ4kvKEp-LgOOUQ55vRn53wqX-1YOC9aRqOb4YuNFE

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 24, 2020, 04:13:01 PM
So I’ve been listening to this Marillion fan podcast, which is fairly well done and informative (and the hosts have outrageously great accents).

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/between-you-and-me-a-podcast-about-marillion/id1530960617?i=1000499894589

They’re going through the Marillion catalog chronologically to discuss the history of the band. This week’s episode was about the transition to Steve Hogarth as singer. It’s interesting to hear the perspective from a long time fan who lived the Fish to H transition. I’ve always been aware of how jarring the transition was for many fans, but having come to Marillion around 2001/2002 and starting with Season’s End, I obviously didn’t experience that myself.

In particular, he talked about the shock of hearing Hooks in You as the lead single for the first time and thinking the band had gone party rock/metal. But then when he heard the B-side, After Me, he realized everything was going to be OK.

I remember thinking Hooks in You was a total throw away radio track the first time I heard it too. But I’ve grown to like it as a pretty unique episode in the band’s history. Certainly it’s the meatiest lead guitar effort of Rothery’s career. It’s fun but stupid and that’s ok. What I also find interesting though is it’s essentially a paired down and amped up re-write of Incommunicado. Less widdly widdly Mark Kelly and more pumped up Steve Rothery.

Listening to the album again and thinking about it, I just find the whole thing a little comical, because the end result stands out like a sore thumb from the rest of the album, and it’s not representative of a new direction for the band at all. Kind of a head fake, since I think as a whole Season’s End was kind of a perfect bridge from Fish to H in the end. Curious if anyone else around here was a fan then and had a similar experience.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on November 26, 2020, 11:12:21 AM
So I’ve been listening to this Marillion fan podcast, which is fairly well done and informative (and the hosts have outrageously great accents).

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/between-you-and-me-a-podcast-about-marillion/id1530960617?i=1000499894589

They’re going through the Marillion catalog chronologically to discuss the history of the band. This week’s episode was about the transition to Steve Hogarth as singer. It’s interesting to hear the perspective from a long time fan who lived the Fish to H transition. I’ve always been aware of how jarring the transition was for many fans, but having come to Marillion around 2001/2002 and starting with Season’s End, I obviously didn’t experience that myself.

In particular, he talked about the shock of hearing Hooks in You as the lead single for the first time and thinking the band had gone party rock/metal. But then when he heard the B-side, After Me, he realized everything was going to be OK.

I remember thinking Hooks in You was a total throw away radio track the first time I heard it too. But I’ve grown to like it as a pretty unique episode in the band’s history. Certainly it’s the meatiest lead guitar effort of Rothery’s career. It’s fun but stupid and that’s ok. What I also find interesting though is it’s essentially a paired down and amped up re-write of Incommunicado. Less widdly widdly Mark Kelly and more pumped up Steve Rothery.

Listening to the album again and thinking about it, I just find the whole thing a little comical, because the end result stands out like a sore thumb from the rest of the album, and it’s not representative of a new direction for the band at all. Kind of a head fake, since I think as a whole Season’s End was kind of a perfect bridge from Fish to H in the end. Curious if anyone else around here was a fan then and had a similar experience.

I haven't listened to that podcast yet, but I'm that guy.  I got into Marillion with Misplaced Childhood, in real time.  I loved Clutching At Straws from minute one, and it's been my favorite Marillion album since.    FOR ME, I didn't hear the single first.  I heard the album, and so it was "King Of Sunset Town" and I was hooked from minute one.  It SOUNDED like CAS, and while it's not as good as CAS, it wasn't as radically different as Fish's solo record.   The problem for me was always viewing Hogarth/Helmer's lyrics through the lens of the VERY autobiographical Fish.  Was Hogarth the King?  What did that mean?    Hooks In You was just "Incommunicado, Part II" so there was no problem there.   The Space... was suitably deep, as was The Uninvited Guest.   They lost me with the preachy Season's End, and I felt - and I know this is weird - defensive and jealous about Berlin. Berlin was FISH'S city, bitches.   Where Marillion broke my heart was with Holiday's In Eden, where I realized - quickly - that everything WASN'T going to be ok.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on November 26, 2020, 11:36:57 AM
So I’ve been listening to this Marillion fan podcast, which is fairly well done and informative (and the hosts have outrageously great accents).

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/between-you-and-me-a-podcast-about-marillion/id1530960617?i=1000499894589

They’re going through the Marillion catalog chronologically to discuss the history of the band. This week’s episode was about the transition to Steve Hogarth as singer. It’s interesting to hear the perspective from a long time fan who lived the Fish to H transition. I’ve always been aware of how jarring the transition was for many fans, but having come to Marillion around 2001/2002 and starting with Season’s End, I obviously didn’t experience that myself.

In particular, he talked about the shock of hearing Hooks in You as the lead single for the first time and thinking the band had gone party rock/metal. But then when he heard the B-side, After Me, he realized everything was going to be OK.

I remember thinking Hooks in You was a total throw away radio track the first time I heard it too. But I’ve grown to like it as a pretty unique episode in the band’s history. Certainly it’s the meatiest lead guitar effort of Rothery’s career. It’s fun but stupid and that’s ok. What I also find interesting though is it’s essentially a paired down and amped up re-write of Incommunicado. Less widdly widdly Mark Kelly and more pumped up Steve Rothery.

Listening to the album again and thinking about it, I just find the whole thing a little comical, because the end result stands out like a sore thumb from the rest of the album, and it’s not representative of a new direction for the band at all. Kind of a head fake, since I think as a whole Season’s End was kind of a perfect bridge from Fish to H in the end. Curious if anyone else around here was a fan then and had a similar experience.

I haven't listened to that podcast yet, but I'm that guy.  I got into Marillion with Misplaced Childhood, in real time.  I loved Clutching At Straws from minute one, and it's been my favorite Marillion album since.    FOR ME, I didn't hear the single first.  I heard the album, and so it was "King Of Sunset Town" and I was hooked from minute one.  It SOUNDED like CAS, and while it's not as good as CAS, it wasn't as radically different as Fish's solo record.   The problem for me was always viewing Hogarth/Helmer's lyrics through the lens of the VERY autobiographical Fish.  Was Hogarth the King?  What did that mean?    Hooks In You was just "Incommunicado, Part II" so there was no problem there.   The Space... was suitably deep, as was The Uninvited Guest.   They lost me with the preachy Season's End, and I felt - and I know this is weird - defensive and jealous about Berlin. Berlin was FISH'S city, bitches.   Where Marillion broke my heart was with Holiday's In Eden, where I realized - quickly - that everything WASN'T going to be ok.
I know a lot of people didn't like Holidays in Eden, and while it wasn't as good as Season's End, it was every bit as good as Brave and Afraid of Sunlight. At least, in my opinion. Where Marillion lost me a bit was with the run from This Strange Engine to Anoraknophobia. There are some good, even great, songs on those albums, overall they were very....blah.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 26, 2020, 11:41:12 AM
So I’ve been listening to this Marillion fan podcast, which is fairly well done and informative (and the hosts have outrageously great accents).

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/between-you-and-me-a-podcast-about-marillion/id1530960617?i=1000499894589

They’re going through the Marillion catalog chronologically to discuss the history of the band. This week’s episode was about the transition to Steve Hogarth as singer. It’s interesting to hear the perspective from a long time fan who lived the Fish to H transition. I’ve always been aware of how jarring the transition was for many fans, but having come to Marillion around 2001/2002 and starting with Season’s End, I obviously didn’t experience that myself.

In particular, he talked about the shock of hearing Hooks in You as the lead single for the first time and thinking the band had gone party rock/metal. But then when he heard the B-side, After Me, he realized everything was going to be OK.

I remember thinking Hooks in You was a total throw away radio track the first time I heard it too. But I’ve grown to like it as a pretty unique episode in the band’s history. Certainly it’s the meatiest lead guitar effort of Rothery’s career. It’s fun but stupid and that’s ok. What I also find interesting though is it’s essentially a paired down and amped up re-write of Incommunicado. Less widdly widdly Mark Kelly and more pumped up Steve Rothery.

Listening to the album again and thinking about it, I just find the whole thing a little comical, because the end result stands out like a sore thumb from the rest of the album, and it’s not representative of a new direction for the band at all. Kind of a head fake, since I think as a whole Season’s End was kind of a perfect bridge from Fish to H in the end. Curious if anyone else around here was a fan then and had a similar experience.

I haven't listened to that podcast yet, but I'm that guy.  I got into Marillion with Misplaced Childhood, in real time.  I loved Clutching At Straws from minute one, and it's been my favorite Marillion album since.    FOR ME, I didn't hear the single first.  I heard the album, and so it was "King Of Sunset Town" and I was hooked from minute one.  It SOUNDED like CAS, and while it's not as good as CAS, it wasn't as radically different as Fish's solo record.   The problem for me was always viewing Hogarth/Helmer's lyrics through the lens of the VERY autobiographical Fish.  Was Hogarth the King?  What did that mean?    Hooks In You was just "Incommunicado, Part II" so there was no problem there.   The Space... was suitably deep, as was The Uninvited Guest.   They lost me with the preachy Season's End, and I felt - and I know this is weird - defensive and jealous about Berlin. Berlin was FISH'S city, bitches.   Where Marillion broke my heart was with Holiday's In Eden, where I realized - quickly - that everything WASN'T going to be ok.

I didn’t listen to all of the Fish era episodes, but the Clutching at Straws one was really good as they go pretty in depth into the lyrics and how they describe what Fish was going through at the time.

I agree Holidays in Eden was the real curve ball. It’s funny though. I did not care for it either after hearing Season’s End (as well as Anoraknophobia which was the current release at the time). It took getting Marbles and Brave to really get me into the band. But these days I actually think pretty highly of Holidays in Eden. It’s a nice blend of pop showcasing H’s voice and some more subtly prog moments. I could give or take Nothing Can Take Me Away From You Now, and the US release I initially bought also had the extremely clunky How Can It Hurt. But otherwise, there’s not a bad song on that album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on November 26, 2020, 11:47:14 AM
Well, let me be clear:  I like not love Hogarth.  I love his voice, I think he's an AMAZING front man, but I find him tiresome at times, and preachy.   I don't need Marillion to be "prog" - some of their best work isn't - but I do need them to be... vulnerable, for lack of a better word.   At times Hogarth can be a shade too sanctimonious, and a shade too ready to be different just for the sake of being different.   That was Holidays for me.   I love Brave, and, even though it took me a while I love Afraid of Sunlight too, but This Strange Engine turned me off to Marillion until Marbles (ironic, because TSE is supposed to be Hogarth's most personal work up to that time). 

It's weird, too, because Fish can be sanctimonious too at times (Brother 52, The Perception Of Johnny Punter) but it's offset by his willingness to be naked (the title track to Sunsets On Empire is just BRUTAL).  I don't get that same level of introspection from Hogarth (except on the excellent Marbles).   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on November 26, 2020, 12:06:24 PM
Anoraknophobia was the album that solidified my permanent status as a Marillion fan. That album is completely front to back solid. In fact, I suppose that’s what makes their more recent work more disappointing to me. Because, other than the 2-disc Marbles, Anorak was the last “all killer no filler” album they did. And it’s been 20 years.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 26, 2020, 12:51:10 PM
Anoraknophobia was the album that solidified my permanent status as a Marillion fan. That album is completely front to back solid. In fact, I suppose that’s what makes their more recent work more disappointing to me. Because, other than the 2-disc Marbles, Anorak was the last “all killer no filler” album they did. And it’s been 20 years.

We’re all different. Anorak is fine, and at times I’ve been really into it. But I think Sounds that Can’t Be Made and FEAR are excellent albums and ones I prefer to Anorak. I really think FEAR is up there in terms of the bands stronger albums. It’s gotten a lot of praise but also some flack, and I’m not sure if that’s because expectations are high or what. I feel like it’s a classic Marillion album and has some really powerful material. I can see if some people are turned off by the political content I guess, but musically I think it is great.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on November 26, 2020, 12:53:01 PM
Hot take - I really REALLY love Between You and Me, but the remix is even better.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 26, 2020, 01:39:40 PM
Hot take - I really REALLY love Between You and Me, but the remix is even better.

Is that from the Remixomatosis release? I actually really like that album, especially the two versions of Map of the World and Fruit of the Wild Rose (an underrated Marillion track altogether).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on November 26, 2020, 04:56:36 PM
Hot take - I really REALLY love Between You and Me, but the remix is even better.

Is that from the Remixomatosis release? I actually really like that album, especially the two versions of Map of the World and Fruit of the Wild Rose (an underrated Marillion track altogether).

It’s the Mark Kelly remix, but I don’t know what release it’s from. It was shared with me by someone here at least 10 years ago (it’s been so long, but I want to say it was romdrums??) and I immediately fell in love with it.

https://youtu.be/bu0OEsWbeuI
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 26, 2020, 05:15:07 PM
Hot take - I really REALLY love Between You and Me, but the remix is even better.

Is that from the Remixomatosis release? I actually really like that album, especially the two versions of Map of the World and Fruit of the Wild Rose (an underrated Marillion track altogether).

It’s the Mark Kelly remix, but I don’t know what release it’s from. It was shared with me by someone here at least 10 years ago (it’s been so long, but I want to say it was romdrums??) and I immediately fell in love with it.

https://youtu.be/bu0OEsWbeuI

That’s something different. Not sure I’d heard this one before, but I do like how it removed the “Monday, Tuesday, blow a fuse day” section altogether.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on November 26, 2020, 06:23:30 PM
And I adore the happy acoustic intro!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 28, 2020, 09:24:10 PM
So I’ve been listening to this Marillion fan podcast, which is fairly well done and informative (and the hosts have outrageously great accents).

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/between-you-and-me-a-podcast-about-marillion/id1530960617?i=1000499894589

They’re going through the Marillion catalog chronologically to discuss the history of the band. This week’s episode was about the transition to Steve Hogarth as singer. It’s interesting to hear the perspective from a long time fan who lived the Fish to H transition. I’ve always been aware of how jarring the transition was for many fans, but having come to Marillion around 2001/2002 and starting with Season’s End, I obviously didn’t experience that myself.

In particular, he talked about the shock of hearing Hooks in You as the lead single for the first time and thinking the band had gone party rock/metal. But then when he heard the B-side, After Me, he realized everything was going to be OK.

I remember thinking Hooks in You was a total throw away radio track the first time I heard it too. But I’ve grown to like it as a pretty unique episode in the band’s history. Certainly it’s the meatiest lead guitar effort of Rothery’s career. It’s fun but stupid and that’s ok. What I also find interesting though is it’s essentially a paired down and amped up re-write of Incommunicado. Less widdly widdly Mark Kelly and more pumped up Steve Rothery.

Listening to the album again and thinking about it, I just find the whole thing a little comical, because the end result stands out like a sore thumb from the rest of the album, and it’s not representative of a new direction for the band at all. Kind of a head fake, since I think as a whole Season’s End was kind of a perfect bridge from Fish to H in the end. Curious if anyone else around here was a fan then and had a similar experience.

I haven't listened to that podcast yet, but I'm that guy.  I got into Marillion with Misplaced Childhood, in real time.  I loved Clutching At Straws from minute one, and it's been my favorite Marillion album since.    FOR ME, I didn't hear the single first.  I heard the album, and so it was "King Of Sunset Town" and I was hooked from minute one.  It SOUNDED like CAS, and while it's not as good as CAS, it wasn't as radically different as Fish's solo record.   The problem for me was always viewing Hogarth/Helmer's lyrics through the lens of the VERY autobiographical Fish.  Was Hogarth the King?  What did that mean?    Hooks In You was just "Incommunicado, Part II" so there was no problem there.   The Space... was suitably deep, as was The Uninvited Guest.   They lost me with the preachy Season's End, and I felt - and I know this is weird - defensive and jealous about Berlin. Berlin was FISH'S city, bitches.   Where Marillion broke my heart was with Holiday's In Eden, where I realized - quickly - that everything WASN'T going to be ok.

My heart was broken with Brave and most of Afraid of Sunlight. Had no problem until that point or since then.

As far as the Hogarth podcast: I dabbled a bit just after it started but it really didn't hold my attention. I've been hooked on Fish on Friday though since it started back in March and I'll really be bummed when he stops. I'm familiar with a lot of the stories but he goes into more detail and there's been some that I didn't know. It's always been a dream of mine for him to do a spoken word thing and what he's been doing has been awesome for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 28, 2020, 09:28:57 PM
Well, let me be clear:  I like not love Hogarth.  I love his voice, I think he's an AMAZING front man, but I find him tiresome at times, and preachy.   I don't need Marillion to be "prog" - some of their best work isn't - but I do need them to be... vulnerable, for lack of a better word.   At times Hogarth can be a shade too sanctimonious, and a shade too ready to be different just for the sake of being different.   That was Holidays for me.   I love Brave, and, even though it took me a while I love Afraid of Sunlight too, but This Strange Engine turned me off to Marillion until Marbles (ironic, because TSE is supposed to be Hogarth's most personal work up to that time). 


That was kind of my problem with Hogarth (live) until about This Strange Engine where he seemed mellow out a bit on that front.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 28, 2020, 09:31:59 PM
Anoraknophobia was the album that solidified my permanent status as a Marillion fan. That album is completely front to back solid. In fact, I suppose that’s what makes their more recent work more disappointing to me. Because, other than the 2-disc Marbles, Anorak was the last “all killer no filler” album they did. And it’s been 20 years.

We’re all different. Anorak is fine, and at times I’ve been really into it. But I think Sounds that Can’t Be Made and FEAR are excellent albums and ones I prefer to Anorak. I really think FEAR is up there in terms of the bands stronger albums. It’s gotten a lot of praise but also some flack, and I’m not sure if that’s because expectations are high or what. I feel like it’s a classic Marillion album and has some really powerful material. I can see if some people are turned off by the political content I guess, but musically I think it is great.

FEAR is flat out amazing on all fronts especially live.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on December 04, 2020, 02:47:02 PM
I learned something new about an old, familiar Marillion song last night. One of those things you almost have to look for to hear I’d imagine.

Was poking around the useful “explanation of song elements” Marillion fan website, and learned that at the start of Holloway Girl, “you can just make out a voice saying "Hold on. Believe on."”

http://marillionations.blogspot.com/1989/09/holloway-girl.html?m=1

Well, I checked it out with headphones and sure enough at 9 seconds in you can hear H (I imagine) sort of whisper this. Had never picked up on it before and it’s almost creepy once you hear it for the first time. Like a ghost whispering in your ear.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on December 18, 2020, 08:04:55 PM
I don’t know if anyone else has checked out this Mark Kelly’s Marathon album, but it’s worth at least checking out the track “Puppets,” which features a memorable performance by Steve Rothery. I’m pleasantly surprised by the album on the whole even if some of the songwriting is a little clunky in places. It’s more or less standard neo-prog, but it’s well performed and goes some places Marillion doesn’t. Mark put together a solid group of players, and there are a few trademark Mark Kelly keyboard sections if that’s your thing. I appreciate that it’s a snappy 43 minutes or so and doesn’t overstay it’s welcome. It’s an easy listen and you can get it for like $9 on Amazon right now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: MinistroRaven on December 21, 2020, 12:34:38 PM
https://youtu.be/q-zoOqZ-s54
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on December 21, 2020, 12:53:40 PM
Kind of kicking myself because Hogarth did a livestream H Natural concert this weekend that I was kind of on the fence about paying for and waited too long to decide to buy a ticket (was hoping it would be available after the fact, but it closed before the concert). The set list looks amazing and some of the pictures I saw posted on the Facebook group looked really great too. As of now there are no plans for a broader release, but it sounds like Lucy will try to talk him into releasing something.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 26, 2020, 03:23:01 PM
I watched Fish on Friday for the first time live yesterday. The rest of the time I caught it a day or two later.  I can't believe he's been letting us into his home for two hours every week and just chats and answers questions. I even got the T-shirt that has the date and location of every show he's done and where in his house he broadcasted from that day. Have to figure he might be hung over next Friday, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on February 10, 2021, 07:17:45 AM
Video update on the new album. Sounds like the big hold up now is that Rothery isn’t coming to the studio due to COVID concerns so they can’t finish arranging the songs they’ve chosen to work on for the album, but the rest of the band are still jamming and working on bits in the studio. Rothery updated separately on Facebook and said he hopes to be vaccinated in the next month or so, so I’d guess they should be able to finish things up by this summer but they aren’t sure if it will be ready in time to play new songs on the fall tour (if that even happens).

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg2rc8-vV3U&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0JF_F0VdXQo2YfOCEZnWwEvWey5LEKfYDSj1Juzocegnu5dxCLmWGuxJE

Man, it really struck me watching this that these guys are getting older. Mark and Ian especially (Pete is ageless and I think H just hides his age relatively well). It’s good that they are still jamming on new ideas while waiting for Rothery, because I kind of worry this might be their last album. Certainly if they take 5 years again to follow this one up they’d all be pushing their late 60s. But maybe they’ll have enough extra jams to work with that they can do at least one more after this one.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on February 10, 2021, 07:29:52 AM
Mosley is older, though; he's 67.  I think Hogarth is 64, Rothery and Trewavas are 61 or 62, and Kelly is 59 or 60.

I kind of always remember Mosley is "five years older", and I thought there was two years between Rothery/Trewavas and Kelly.  (Fish is the same age as Rothery/Trewavas, more or less).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on February 10, 2021, 07:44:57 AM
Mosley is older, though; he's 67.  I think Hogarth is 64, Rothery and Trewavas are 61 or 62, and Kelly is 59 or 60.

I kind of always remember Mosley is "five years older", and I thought there was two years between Rothery/Trewavas and Kelly.  (Fish is the same age as Rothery/Trewavas, more or less).

Yeah, I knew Mosely was the oldest but wasn’t sure how much older. Mark has always looked younger than the others despite no hair, so he kind of took me aback on this video. H recently confirmed he’s older than was previously reported (when he joined Marillion their manager put out a release saying he was younger than he was and it stuck for a long time), but I think 64 is the right age now (65 in May).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on February 10, 2021, 09:13:49 AM
How whack is it that that (Kelly's age) is what makes me watch the video?   :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on February 10, 2021, 09:25:38 PM
Well here’s something I’ve never seen before. A full concert video of Marillion live in Milwaukee in 1997.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Etlzf5oFWSQ

That’s John Wesley playing some guitar on Estonia (and maybe elsewhere, haven’t watched the whole thing). H, those pants! 1997 Pete with short hair and sunglasses. Mark belting out the background vocals. Fun to see the boys in their relative youth after that video this morning.

I never thought of them as similar before, but H (both vocally and in his looks/mannerisms) reminds me a lot of a young, early Genesis Peter Gabriel here.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on February 13, 2021, 06:36:00 PM
Video update on the new album. Sounds like the big hold up now is that Rothery isn’t coming to the studio due to COVID concerns so they can’t finish arranging the songs they’ve chosen to work on for the album, but the rest of the band are still jamming and working on bits in the studio. Rothery updated separately on Facebook and said he hopes to be vaccinated in the next month or so, so I’d guess they should be able to finish things up by this summer but they aren’t sure if it will be ready in time to play new songs on the fall tour (if that even happens).

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg2rc8-vV3U&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0JF_F0VdXQo2YfOCEZnWwEvWey5LEKfYDSj1Juzocegnu5dxCLmWGuxJE

Man, it really struck me watching this that these guys are getting older. Mark and Ian especially (Pete is ageless and I think H just hides his age relatively well). It’s good that they are still jamming on new ideas while waiting for Rothery, because I kind of worry this might be their last album. Certainly if they take 5 years again to follow this one up they’d all be pushing their late 60s. But maybe they’ll have enough extra jams to work with that they can do at least one more after this one.

I did notice that the tempo slowed when I last saw them in November 2016, but it wasn't quite as drastic as the subsequent live releases but that may have something to do with the setlist choices.  But yeah, after 2016 I wondered how long they want to keep at it. Covid seems to be making a lot of the decisions these days. I still can't see myself at a show for at least another year and I have no idea what that would even look like.    I'm probably more excited about a Rothery solo album as this point, but I'm in on the next Marillion album although I'd want to continue to keep my name out of it on the slight chance I won't like it. (which hasn't happened yet.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on February 13, 2021, 06:40:44 PM
Well here’s something I’ve never seen before. A full concert video of Marillion live in Milwaukee in 1997.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Etlzf5oFWSQ

That’s John Wesley playing some guitar on Estonia (and maybe elsewhere, haven’t watched the whole thing). H, those pants! 1997 Pete with short hair and sunglasses. Mark belting out the background vocals. Fun to see the boys in their relative youth after that video this morning.

I never thought of them as similar before, but H (both vocally and in his looks/mannerisms) reminds me a lot of a young, early Genesis Peter Gabriel here.

Think I have this video somewhere.  This was the tour I got back into seeming them live after really liking This Strange Engine after opting not to see the previous tour.

You'd like the Season's End Tour where Hogarth would scale the audio cabinets.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on February 13, 2021, 07:38:43 PM
Well here’s something I’ve never seen before. A full concert video of Marillion live in Milwaukee in 1997.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Etlzf5oFWSQ

That’s John Wesley playing some guitar on Estonia (and maybe elsewhere, haven’t watched the whole thing). H, those pants! 1997 Pete with short hair and sunglasses. Mark belting out the background vocals. Fun to see the boys in their relative youth after that video this morning.

I never thought of them as similar before, but H (both vocally and in his looks/mannerisms) reminds me a lot of a young, early Genesis Peter Gabriel here.

Think I have this video somewhere.  This was the tour I got back into seeming them live after really liking This Strange Engine after opting not to see the previous tour.

You'd like the Season's End Tour where Hogarth would scale the audio cabinets.

This was probably peak Marillion fandom for me.  I saw them three times on that tour (Cleveland, Grand Rapids, and Chicago).  Milwaukee was the show in between Cleveland and Grand Rapids if I remember.  Set list in Cleveland was the same as in Milwaukee.  Got to see them do White Russian at the GR show, along with Seasons End.  I also remember, during the Chicago show, that Mark Kelly’s keyboard rig died during the second chorus of King, where he went to play the synth line and got nothing.  So, H just started playing the guitar riff, the band joined in, and they were able to jam long enough to let Mark get his rig going again.  Mark played that lead line with authority when they got back to that part again, as well as the electric piano part under the “message of love” section.  Funny thing is, I haven’t had a chance to see them live since. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on February 13, 2021, 08:49:31 PM
Well here’s something I’ve never seen before. A full concert video of Marillion live in Milwaukee in 1997.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Etlzf5oFWSQ

That’s John Wesley playing some guitar on Estonia (and maybe elsewhere, haven’t watched the whole thing). H, those pants! 1997 Pete with short hair and sunglasses. Mark belting out the background vocals. Fun to see the boys in their relative youth after that video this morning.

I never thought of them as similar before, but H (both vocally and in his looks/mannerisms) reminds me a lot of a young, early Genesis Peter Gabriel here.

Think I have this video somewhere.  This was the tour I got back into seeming them live after really liking This Strange Engine after opting not to see the previous tour.

You'd like the Season's End Tour where Hogarth would scale the audio cabinets.

This was probably peak Marillion fandom for me.  I saw them three times on that tour (Cleveland, Grand Rapids, and Chicago).  Milwaukee was the show in between Cleveland and Grand Rapids if I remember.  Set list in Cleveland was the same as in Milwaukee.  Got to see them do White Russian at the GR show, along with Seasons End.  I also remember, during the Chicago show, that Mark Kelly’s keyboard rig died during the second chorus of King, where he went to play the synth line and got nothing.  So, H just started playing the guitar riff, the band joined in, and they were able to jam long enough to let Mark get his rig going again.  Mark played that lead line with authority when they got back to that part again, as well as the electric piano part under the “message of love” section.  Funny thing is, I haven’t had a chance to see them live since.

Mark’s rig crashes are legendary. They were a frequent occurrence back in the day for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 13, 2021, 09:26:21 PM
logically, the Milwaukee show in 1997 would have been my 1st show, but I hardly could afford driving down to Milwaukee all by myself at that time, just newly hired Best Buy employee. I don't think I even knew the tour per I wasn't online much then and I wasn't as big of a fan of Marillion yet in September 1997.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on February 14, 2021, 08:09:15 AM
Well here’s something I’ve never seen before. A full concert video of Marillion live in Milwaukee in 1997.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Etlzf5oFWSQ

That’s John Wesley playing some guitar on Estonia (and maybe elsewhere, haven’t watched the whole thing). H, those pants! 1997 Pete with short hair and sunglasses. Mark belting out the background vocals. Fun to see the boys in their relative youth after that video this morning.

I never thought of them as similar before, but H (both vocally and in his looks/mannerisms) reminds me a lot of a young, early Genesis Peter Gabriel here.

Think I have this video somewhere.  This was the tour I got back into seeming them live after really liking This Strange Engine after opting not to see the previous tour.

You'd like the Season's End Tour where Hogarth would scale the audio cabinets.

I saw that Season's End tour; GREAT show in a small club (Toad's Place).  Loved it.  For various reasons that might be the best show I've seen by them (personally, not video).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on February 14, 2021, 05:40:57 PM
Well here’s something I’ve never seen before. A full concert video of Marillion live in Milwaukee in 1997.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Etlzf5oFWSQ

That’s John Wesley playing some guitar on Estonia (and maybe elsewhere, haven’t watched the whole thing). H, those pants! 1997 Pete with short hair and sunglasses. Mark belting out the background vocals. Fun to see the boys in their relative youth after that video this morning.

I never thought of them as similar before, but H (both vocally and in his looks/mannerisms) reminds me a lot of a young, early Genesis Peter Gabriel here.

Think I have this video somewhere.  This was the tour I got back into seeming them live after really liking This Strange Engine after opting not to see the previous tour.

You'd like the Season's End Tour where Hogarth would scale the audio cabinets.

I saw that Season's End tour; GREAT show in a small club (Toad's Place).  Loved it.  For various reasons that might be the best show I've seen by them (personally, not video).

I saw 3 shows on that tour and likely would have hauled it up to Toad's Place if Rush hadn't been on the road at the same time. Priorities.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: WildRanger on March 13, 2021, 07:34:21 AM
Did you know that Marillion were booed off the stage by Rush fans in the mid 80's when they opened for Rush?
Did they deserve it?

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 13, 2021, 07:40:00 AM
Did you know that Marillion were booed off the stage by Rush fans in the mid 80's when they opened for Rush?
Did they deserve it?

I did, and they probably didn’t deserve it, but Rush fans were notoriously hard on openers and if you’ve ever seen footage of Fish from back in the day it’s not hard to imagine why the crowd were unwelcoming. :-)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on March 13, 2021, 08:59:28 AM
Did you know that Marillion were booed off the stage by Rush fans in the mid 80's when they opened for Rush?
Did they deserve it?

I did, and they probably didn’t deserve it, but Rush fans were notoriously hard on openers and if you’ve ever seen footage of Fish from back in the day it’s not hard to imagine why the crowd were unwelcoming. :-)

Yeah, there was a time when Mr Big opened for Rush, and the drummer got tagged with a thrown bottle. I mean I get not caring for openers, but just chill and wait, no need to be dicks about it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Kram on March 13, 2021, 11:37:05 AM
Did you know that Marillion were booed off the stage by Rush fans in the mid 80's when they opened for Rush?
Did they deserve it?

I saw Rush at Radio City in 1983, and Marillion was the opener, and they were indeed booed loudly throughout their set.  Did they deserve it? Absolutely not
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 27, 2021, 07:54:07 PM
Did you know that Marillion were booed off the stage by Rush fans in the mid 80's when they opened for Rush?
Did they deserve it?

I saw Rush at Radio City in 1983, and Marillion was the opener, and they were indeed booed loudly throughout their set.  Did they deserve it? Absolutely not

Those were five shows I wish I'd seen.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on May 10, 2021, 09:44:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4THJlfvBoHw

some talk about the new album in this update.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on May 10, 2021, 10:20:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4THJlfvBoHw

some talk about the new album in this update.

Some interesting tidbits about the songs maybe being more uptempo. Not always a good thing but they’ve been in the moody/atmospheric headspace mostly since Marbles so a change of pace could be nice. Of course things are also still subject to change at this point.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on May 11, 2021, 01:44:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4THJlfvBoHw

some talk about the new album in this update.

Some interesting tidbits about the songs maybe being more uptempo. Not always a good thing but they’ve been in the moody/atmospheric headspace mostly since Marbles so a change of pace could be nice. Of course things are also still subject to change at this point.

I'm glad to hear they will have some more uptempo things on the record.  FEAR was a slog.  I've always been a fan of their uptempo, rockier stuff to begin with, and so the total lack of that on FEAR was such a disappointment, especially given the nature of the lyrics. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on May 11, 2021, 02:18:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4THJlfvBoHw

some talk about the new album in this update.

Some interesting tidbits about the songs maybe being more uptempo. Not always a good thing but they’ve been in the moody/atmospheric headspace mostly since Marbles so a change of pace could be nice. Of course things are also still subject to change at this point.

I'm glad to hear they will have some more uptempo things on the record.  FEAR was a slog.  I've always been a fan of their uptempo, rockier stuff to begin with, and so the total lack of that on FEAR was such a disappointment, especially given the nature of the lyrics.

I love FEAR for the most part. It wasn’t totally without it’s up tempo moments, and I generally think Marillion are at their best with slower stuff anyway. But I wouldn’t mind if they picked up the pace a hit with this next one.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 16, 2021, 03:50:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4THJlfvBoHw

some talk about the new album in this update.


Some interesting tidbits about the songs maybe being more uptempo. Not always a good thing but they’ve been in the moody/atmospheric headspace mostly since Marbles so a change of pace could be nice. Of course things are also still subject to change at this point.

I'm glad to hear they will have some more uptempo things on the record.  FEAR was a slog.  I've always been a fan of their uptempo, rockier stuff to begin with, and so the total lack of that on FEAR was such a disappointment, especially given the nature of the lyrics.

I love FEAR for the most part. It wasn’t totally without it’s up tempo moments, and I generally think Marillion are at their best with slower stuff anyway. But I wouldn’t mind if they picked up the pace a hit with this next one.

I love FEAR too.

 Don't really care what the new one is or isn't as long as I like it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Dittomist on May 26, 2021, 07:44:57 PM
Am I the only one here who thinks "The Gold" is not only the strongest track on FEAR, but also one of their best songs of all time? It always surprised me that they never released that one as a single.

My other favorite moments of FEAR all belong The Leavers: "The Remainers, "Vapour Trails in the Sky," and "The Jumble of Days." So powerful and haunting! However, as a whole, I think Sounds That Can't Be Made is a slightly stronger album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on May 26, 2021, 07:56:40 PM
Am I the only one here who thinks "The Gold" is not only the strongest track on FEAR, but also one of their best songs of all time? It always surprised me that they never released that one as a single.

My other favorite moments of FEAR all belong The Leavers: "The Remainers, "Vapour Trails in the Sky," and "The Jumble of Days." So powerful and haunting! However, as a whole, I think Sounds That Can't Be Made is a slightly stronger album.

I don’t ever think of the individual tracks on El Dorado as individual songs, but I do like that section for sure. It probably would have made a nice single, though I don’t imagine there is much motivation for the band to do singles these days (they did release a special version of Living in Fear I guess).

I really loved Sounds when it came out, but I think as time has gone on FEAR has held up a little better for me. I do still love Sounds though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on May 27, 2021, 06:08:47 AM
Am I the only one here who thinks "The Gold" is not only the strongest track on FEAR, but also one of their best songs of all time? It always surprised me that they never released that one as a single.

My other favorite moments of FEAR all belong The Leavers: "The Remainers, "Vapour Trails in the Sky," and "The Jumble of Days." So powerful and haunting! However, as a whole, I think Sounds That Can't Be Made is a slightly stronger album.

I don’t ever think of the individual tracks on El Dorado as individual songs, but I do like that section for sure. It probably would have made a nice single, though I don’t imagine there is much motivation for the band to do singles these days (they did release a special version of Living in Fear I guess).

I really loved Sounds when it came out, but I think as time has gone on FEAR has held up a little better for me. I do still love Sounds though.

It's wierd; neither one has really had legs for me.   It might all be in my head, though.  There's a self-righteousness about Hogarth that isn't a dealbreaker, but certainly diminishes some of the appeal for me (NOT the politics, that not an issue, it's the self-righteousness OF the politics).   Which is ironic, because Fish has his moments of self-righteousness too; he just has so many naked moments of ... I don't know what the word is, but with Fish there's enough humility in failed relationships, the failed cunning plans, that the self-righteousness doesn't stick as much as with Hogarth.  As is almost always the case with Marillion, the more emotional, the more they look inward (either to themselves or the characters they are writing about), it seems the more I like the music that results.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: DTA on May 27, 2021, 06:17:12 AM
Am I the only one here who thinks "The Gold" is not only the strongest track on FEAR, but also one of their best songs of all time? It always surprised me that they never released that one as a single.

My other favorite moments of FEAR all belong The Leavers: "The Remainers, "Vapour Trails in the Sky," and "The Jumble of Days." So powerful and haunting! However, as a whole, I think Sounds That Can't Be Made is a slightly stronger album.

The Gold is probably the highlight of FEAR for me, though Demolished Lives has a great, almost sinister vibe that I really enjoy. I need to revisit this album as it fell a bit flat for me when it came out and didn't get as much play as I'd hoped.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 30, 2021, 05:41:18 PM
Am I the only one here who thinks "The Gold" is not only the strongest track on FEAR, but also one of their best songs of all time? It always surprised me that they never released that one as a single.

My other favorite moments of FEAR all belong The Leavers: "The Remainers, "Vapour Trails in the Sky," and "The Jumble of Days." So powerful and haunting! However, as a whole, I think Sounds That Can't Be Made is a slightly stronger album.

I don't know. I enjoy the whole album. It's become one of my favorite Hogarth albums. Especially the live versions....

I like "Sounds" too, but I maybe not as much as I did during the first year it was out. (Maybe because they only played two songs from it (album was not out yet when the show happened.) when I saw them that year.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 09, 2021, 02:54:43 PM
Not really appropriate of anything, but 36 years later, I finally found out what "Expresso Bongo" means in the title to Waterhole. It's a reference to a stage musical - and later movie - from the late 50's  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expresso_Bongo)that satirized the music industry.  It doesn't take much to understand where Fish's head was that with that reference.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on June 09, 2021, 03:09:49 PM
Not really appropriate of anything, but 36 years later, I finally found out what "Expresso Bongo" means in the title to Waterhole. It's a reference to a stage musical - and later movie - from the late 50's  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expresso_Bongo)that satirized the music industry.  It doesn't take much to understand where Fish's head was that with that reference.

I learned this recently from the Marillion fan podcast Between You and Me. They found it from this excellent website which I have visited several times before but hadn’t seen that part:

https://marillionations.blogspot.com/1985/06/waterhole-expresso-bongo.html?m=1

There are a bunch of random old movie references throughout Misplaced Childhood actually. Bitter Suite has several:

https://marillionations.blogspot.com/1985/06/bitter-suite.html?m=1
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 19, 2021, 04:27:26 PM
Apparently Misplaced Childhood was released 36 years ago yesterday.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on June 20, 2021, 10:59:25 AM
Steve Rothery posted a photo from Real World, where I believe the band are spending some time over the next week or so recording/refining tracks for the new album. H keeps mentioning how there is a lot more energy in the material (than usual). Should be interesting.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 20, 2021, 11:23:52 AM
Steve Rothery posted a photo from Real World, where I believe the band are spending some time over the next week or so recording/refining tracks for the new album. H keeps mentioning how there is a lot more energy in the material (than usual). Should be interesting.
I've always said that Marillion needs more energy in their music ever since Marbles. Basically the band IQ has been doing what I've always thought Marillion should have done over the past 15 years. If Marillion can start going in that direction (more energy, more experimentation) we could be in for some amazing albums.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 20, 2021, 12:17:57 PM
I love Marillion generally - even the stuff I don't care for I buy to support the band - but they are an exasperating band.   I get it, they are artists and have to follow the muse, but for a band that splintered back in the '80's because a couple members were so hungry for fame and acceptance, they are maddeningly obtuse at times. I thought Marbles was one of the best "balances" of the band in the catalogue.   They haven't approached that since, IMO (though live they are as good as ever: I literally cried during Neverland when I saw them on the FEAR tour).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on June 20, 2021, 12:37:55 PM
Steve Rothery posted a photo from Real World, where I believe the band are spending some time over the next week or so recording/refining tracks for the new album. H keeps mentioning how there is a lot more energy in the material (than usual). Should be interesting.
I've always said that Marillion needs more energy in their music ever since Marbles. Basically the band IQ has been doing what I've always thought Marillion should have done over the past 15 years. If Marillion can start going in that direction (more energy, more experimentation) we could be in for some amazing albums.

I tend to agree with those fans who say what Marillion do best is the mid to low tempo, atmospheric stuff, but I do think it would be nice to change things up a bit. I’m not sure about the experimentation part. I think both FEAR and Sounds has some new territory for the band, though maybe not experimental in terms of something that has never been done before. If the band fee compelled to do something out there that would be fine, but I’m generally happy with the band continuing to produce albums along the lines of what they’ve been doing lately.

I love Marillion generally - even the stuff I don't care for I buy to support the band - but they are an exasperating band.   I get it, they are artists and have to follow the muse, but for a band that splintered back in the '80's because a couple members were so hungry for fame and acceptance, they are maddeningly obtuse at times. I thought Marbles was one of the best "balances" of the band in the catalogue.   They haven't approached that since, IMO (though live they are as good as ever: I literally cried during Neverland when I saw them on the FEAR tour).

Marillion are a band who you either roll with the changes or get left behind a bit. I’ve genuinely enjoyed just about every album to one extent or another. They are somewhat like Rush in that regard. You have about half the fan base disliking half the albums (or more). Over at the Marillion.com forum they are doing a series of favorite/least favorite albums and songs polls, and just about every album is getting a mention for least favorite (don’t think I’ve seen CAS, Brave, or AOS mentioned but just about everything else has been), while there are a ton of songs I love getting mentioned as least favorites. Yet those same fans seem to remain quite devoted no matter what the band does.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 20, 2021, 12:57:20 PM
Steve Rothery posted a photo from Real World, where I believe the band are spending some time over the next week or so recording/refining tracks for the new album. H keeps mentioning how there is a lot more energy in the material (than usual). Should be interesting.
I've always said that Marillion needs more energy in their music ever since Marbles. Basically the band IQ has been doing what I've always thought Marillion should have done over the past 15 years. If Marillion can start going in that direction (more energy, more experimentation) we could be in for some amazing albums.

I tend to agree with those fans who say what Marillion do best is the mid to low tempo, atmospheric stuff, but I do think it would be nice to change things up a bit. I’m not sure about the experimentation part. I think both FEAR and Sounds has some new territory for the band, though maybe not experimental in terms of something that has never been done before. If the band fee compelled to do something out there that would be fine, but I’m generally happy with the band continuing to produce albums along the lines of what they’ve been doing lately.

I meant experimentation in the sense of trying to incorporate new genres/styles into their music. They've stuck to their guns for too long and for me it has caused my love for the band to suffer in recent years. I still enjoy most of what they do, but I feel like they could do so much more. They have some of the best song writers out there, but I think their talents are being used to their full potential. Rothery is a genius on a level with Alex Lifeson when if comes to guitar melodies/chord progressions/solos, but has been underused lately. Maybe it's a conscious decision by the band, I don't know. And H is one of my favorite vocalists when it comes to vocal phrasing/harmonies/melodies, and I love most of his lyrics. Pete has always been a solid and tasteful bass player, same with Mark Kelly on keyboards. And I've heard some people think Ian Mosley needs to be replaced, but I think his drumming fits perfectly with the bands music. He has a very loose jazzy style to his playing that I like.

Long story, short (too late), I think they need to step up their game. Maybe they are feeling less inclined to try genuinely new things in their old age. :corn
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Fritzinger on June 21, 2021, 12:18:21 AM
Agree on the "more energy"-argument. And on the IQ-point that Puppies on Acid pointed out. It's a shame that IQ don't get the attention Marillion does. Concerning the energy (I'm not sure if it's still politically correct to call it "balls") in the band's music, I think the last time they really had that was on Anoraknophobia. I love Marbles and I am one of the (few?) Happiness supporters (love that double album), but we haven't heard a heard-hitting song like Quartz in quite some time.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on June 21, 2021, 06:02:58 AM
I thought there was a lot of energy on Sounds That Can't Be Made, that one really brought the rock back. The problem is, they seem to have a hardcore fanbase that loves the longer, proggier atmospheric stuff and hates the shorter, rockier stuff. Personally, I think the longer prog epics work better with shorter, rockier tracks to contrast against. It's one of the reasons I wasn't mad on FEAR, it was all a bit mid-tempo and all sounded the same.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 26, 2021, 08:01:19 PM
I thought there was a lot of energy on Sounds That Can't Be Made, that one really brought the rock back. The problem is, they seem to have a hardcore fanbase that loves the longer, proggier atmospheric stuff and hates the shorter, rockier stuff. Personally, I think the longer prog epics work better with shorter, rockier tracks to contrast against. It's one of the reasons I wasn't mad on FEAR, it was all a bit mid-tempo and all sounded the same.

I don't think they can handle much up tempo at this stage anymore. Last time I saw them 2016, I thought there was a noticable lag in tempo. Now that could just be a stylistic choice or maybe they can't climb that hill like they used anymore which is just father time extracting his cut.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on June 27, 2021, 12:49:49 PM
https://www.marillion.com/news/newsitem.htm?id=502

Marillion weekends are back on for 2022! (at least for now) I will be there in montreal for sure if it happens, that would be a good post pandemic first gig
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 07, 2021, 07:23:58 AM
Details of the Fugazi deluxe re-issue announced:

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/remast53.htm?fbclid=IwAR3A7T0Zj-HtVsbHZl4KCwmy-YKMjHrayh_KNdjHa7wGrHIW7U65y4EUUYY

I imagine this one will benefit from a modern remix, though the original isn’t bad to me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on July 07, 2021, 07:26:55 AM
Details of the Fugazi deluxe re-issue announced:

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/remast53.htm?fbclid=IwAR3A7T0Zj-HtVsbHZl4KCwmy-YKMjHrayh_KNdjHa7wGrHIW7U65y4EUUYY

I imagine this one will benefit from a modern remix, though the original isn’t bad to me.

In the announcement on FB, there was an inquiry regarding possible sets for Season’s End and Holidays in Eden. The official page responded that both would be coming next year. No details.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 07, 2021, 10:59:12 AM
On my birthday!  Yay!






In the announcement on FB, there was an inquiry regarding possible sets for Season’s End - YAY! - and Holidays in Eden - NAY! - . The official page responded that both would be coming next year. No details.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 07, 2021, 11:40:04 AM
Details of the Fugazi deluxe re-issue announced:

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/remast53.htm?fbclid=IwAR3A7T0Zj-HtVsbHZl4KCwmy-YKMjHrayh_KNdjHa7wGrHIW7U65y4EUUYY

I imagine this one will benefit from a modern remix, though the original isn’t bad to me.

In the announcement on FB, there was an inquiry regarding possible sets for Season’s End and Holidays in Eden. The official page responded that both would be coming next year. No details.

Yeah, those are the last two for the EMI years so that makes sense. I thought I read somewhere that Holidays was to be the next but not sure about that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 07, 2021, 12:06:19 PM
Details of the Fugazi deluxe re-issue announced:

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/remast53.htm?fbclid=IwAR3A7T0Zj-HtVsbHZl4KCwmy-YKMjHrayh_KNdjHa7wGrHIW7U65y4EUUYY

I imagine this one will benefit from a modern remix, though the original isn’t bad to me.

In the announcement on FB, there was an inquiry regarding possible sets for Season’s End and Holidays in Eden. The official page responded that both would be coming next year. No details.

Yeah, those are the last two for the EMI years so that makes sense. I thought I read somewhere that Holidays was to be the next but not sure about that.

Is there rhyme or reason to the order?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 07, 2021, 12:39:29 PM
Details of the Fugazi deluxe re-issue announced:

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/remast53.htm?fbclid=IwAR3A7T0Zj-HtVsbHZl4KCwmy-YKMjHrayh_KNdjHa7wGrHIW7U65y4EUUYY

I imagine this one will benefit from a modern remix, though the original isn’t bad to me.

In the announcement on FB, there was an inquiry regarding possible sets for Season’s End and Holidays in Eden. The official page responded that both would be coming next year. No details.

Yeah, those are the last two for the EMI years so that makes sense. I thought I read somewhere that Holidays was to be the next but not sure about that.

Is there rhyme or reason to the order?

Not that I know of. May have been based on a sense of demand. Might have as much to do with who is mixing them as anything. The first two were Misplaced Childhood and Brave which were the ones Steven Wilson was interested in doing. Then they did Clutching with Bradfield/McIntosh, AOS with Mike Hunter, and then back to Bradfield/McIntosh for Script and Fugazi. Guessing the plan was for Wilson to do them, but he only wanted to do a few and then they got Hunter to do the more modern ones and Bradfield/McIntosh for the rest of the Fish era (and I think they’ve done really well so far). We’ll see who does the remaining H EMI albums (not sure if they’ll go on past AOS or not).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on July 07, 2021, 04:50:56 PM
Details of the Fugazi deluxe re-issue announced:

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/remast53.htm?fbclid=IwAR3A7T0Zj-HtVsbHZl4KCwmy-YKMjHrayh_KNdjHa7wGrHIW7U65y4EUUYY

I imagine this one will benefit from a modern remix, though the original isn’t bad to me.
I think the original mix is fine. However Fugazi is my least favorite of the Fish era.  :-\ It's still a decent album though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 07, 2021, 05:07:53 PM
Details of the Fugazi deluxe re-issue announced:

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/remast53.htm?fbclid=IwAR3A7T0Zj-HtVsbHZl4KCwmy-YKMjHrayh_KNdjHa7wGrHIW7U65y4EUUYY

I imagine this one will benefit from a modern remix, though the original isn’t bad to me.
I think the original mix is fine. However Fugazi is my least favorite of the Fish era.  :-\ It's still a decent album though.

I prefer Fugazi to Script, but those are my two least favorite Marillion albums for sure. Fugazi starts really strong with Assassing, Punch and Judy, and Jigsaw, but then it just falls off a cliff into dense bloviating from Fish.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on July 07, 2021, 06:27:48 PM
really excited about the complete 1984 Montreal Spectrum show.   I wasn't there of course, I was too young but the first time I saw Marillion live was at the Spectrum in 2004 on the Marbles tour and that venue closed just a few years later.  Such a shame.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on July 07, 2021, 10:47:30 PM
Details of the Fugazi deluxe re-issue announced:

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/remast53.htm?fbclid=IwAR3A7T0Zj-HtVsbHZl4KCwmy-YKMjHrayh_KNdjHa7wGrHIW7U65y4EUUYY

I imagine this one will benefit from a modern remix, though the original isn’t bad to me.
I think the original mix is fine. However Fugazi is my least favorite of the Fish era.  :-\ It's still a decent album though.

I prefer Fugazi to Script, but those are my two least favorite Marillion albums for sure. Fugazi starts really strong with Assassing, Punch and Judy, and Jigsaw, but then it just falls off a cliff into dense bloviating from Fish.
Yeah, those 3 songs are amazing, but then the rest is just, meh.....

Jigsaw is right up there with the best Fish-era songs.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: BelichickFan on July 08, 2021, 11:07:57 AM
Misplaced Childhood
Fugazi
Script

(big gap)

Clutching at Straws

are my favorite Marillion albums in that order.

Zero interest in Hogarth albums, I've tried and find him to be the most boring singer ever.  Love the Fish era though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 08, 2021, 11:15:02 AM
Misplaced Childhood
Fugazi
Script

(big gap)

Clutching at Straws

are my favorite Marillion albums in that order.

Zero interest in Hogarth albums, I've tried and find him to be the most boring singer ever.  Love the Fish era though.

Man, setting aside the dislike for Hogarth (taste and all that), Clutching is just a tremendous album in my view. It was really the apex of the Fish era and the one Fish album I consider as good as anything else they’ve done with Hogarth.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: BelichickFan on July 08, 2021, 11:19:02 AM
Misplaced Childhood
Fugazi
Script

(big gap)

Clutching at Straws

are my favorite Marillion albums in that order.

Zero interest in Hogarth albums, I've tried and find him to be the most boring singer ever.  Love the Fish era though.

Man, setting aside the dislike for Hogarth (taste and all that), Clutching is just a tremendous album in my view. It was really the apex of the Fish era and the one Fish album I consider as good as anything else they’ve done with Hogarth.

Most people say that about Clutching.  I've tried to hear it from the "great" standpoint but it's just good for me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on July 08, 2021, 06:19:04 PM
Wow, I mean tastes and all that, but Hogarth is one of the most emotive singers out there. Especially in his prime.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on July 08, 2021, 06:49:31 PM
Clutching is Fish’s best lyrical album period. Possibly one of the greatest lyrical albums I’ve ever heard. (That’s saying a lot for someone who revers Neil Peart as much as I do)

I had always wondered what the fuss was about with Marillion. I really liked a couple things f their albums. Misplaced Childhood and Anorak were particularly good…but I never understood the reverence they got. The rest seemed barely passable.

But then I heard Clutching and it all clicked. That is one of the most phenomenal albums I’ve ever heard. After that, the rest started to click with me a bit more. I’ve gotten to the point where I really like Script as well. I’m still up and down on the H material. Still can’t get into FEAR. But I love Marbles, Anorak, and Season’s End.

I’m with the majority on Fugazi. It’s my least favorite of the Fish stuff, but it’s got redeeming tracks, and I already have the other 3 collections, so it would be a shame to split it up. I’ll definitely get Season’s End when it comes out, and the Holidays one might be an opportunity to revisit that album. I haven’t heard it in awhile
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 08, 2021, 08:14:08 PM
Clutching is Fish’s best lyrical album period. Possibly one of the greatest lyrical albums I’ve ever heard. (That’s saying a lot for someone who revers Neil Peart as much as I do)

It’s also possibly Steve Rothery’s finest guitar performance and a really great guitar album in general. Rothery was just on fire, and since he and Fish were on bad terms at the time it almost feels like they were trading jabs musically/artistically.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on July 08, 2021, 10:50:40 PM
Clutching is Fish’s best lyrical album period. Possibly one of the greatest lyrical albums I’ve ever heard. (That’s saying a lot for someone who revers Neil Peart as much as I do)

It’s also possibly Steve Rothery’s finest guitar performance and a really great guitar album in general. Rothery was just on fire, and since he and Fish were on bad terms at the time it almost feels like they were trading jabs musically/artistically.
Rothery's performance on that album is stellar. However, I have to give the nod to Marbles, just because of the sheer diversity and the pure emotion. I am a bit biased though, since that album is as close to perfect as an album can be.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 08, 2021, 11:08:18 PM
Clutching is Fish’s best lyrical album period. Possibly one of the greatest lyrical albums I’ve ever heard. (That’s saying a lot for someone who revers Neil Peart as much as I do)

It’s also possibly Steve Rothery’s finest guitar performance and a really great guitar album in general. Rothery was just on fire, and since he and Fish were on bad terms at the time it almost feels like they were trading jabs musically/artistically.
Rothery's performance on that album is stellar. However, I have to give the nod to Marbles, just because of the sheer diversity and the pure emotion. I am a bit biased though, since that album is as close to perfect as an album can be.

Marbles is almost a perfect album for sure, with some monster moments from Rothery.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on July 08, 2021, 11:11:52 PM
Interesting. I’ve already listed Marbles as one of their greatest albums. Ocean Cloud alone may be the greatest Hogarth song of them all. But as an entire body of work, I think I still consider Anoraknophobia as the H-era’s finest hour.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 08, 2021, 11:35:38 PM
Interesting. I’ve already listed Marbles as one of their greatest albums. Ocean Cloud alone may be the greatest Hogarth song of them all. But as an entire body of work, I think I still consider Anoraknophobia as the H-era’s finest hour.

Anorak was one of my entry points to the band (the current release at the time I got into them). I don't think I really loved it at the time, and it wasn't really until Marbles came out that I went back and sort of got it. It's at times been one I really like and at other times kind of a forgotten Marillion album for me. I need to pull it out again because it's been a while. I've been going album by album along with the Between You and Me podcast, and they're on Radiation now so I'll be getting to it soon I guess!

I will say that one of my favorite underappreciated Marillion tracks is The Fruit of the Wild Rose. Think that one was really brilliantly put together. Love how it goes from the little jam at the beginning to the more expansive chorus and then that amazing middle section.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 09, 2021, 07:59:06 AM
Misplaced Childhood
Fugazi
Script

(big gap)

Clutching at Straws

are my favorite Marillion albums in that order.

Zero interest in Hogarth albums, I've tried and find him to be the most boring singer ever.  Love the Fish era though.

Man, setting aside the dislike for Hogarth (taste and all that), Clutching is just a tremendous album in my view. It was really the apex of the Fish era and the one Fish album I consider as good as anything else they’ve done with Hogarth.

Yeah, me too.  Clutching is BY FAR my favorite Marillion album - of both eras - and one of my probably top 10 or even top 5 albums of all time by any artist ever.

Clutching
Misplaced
Fugazi
Script


I really like, not love, the Hogarth era; some is great - Marbles, Season's End - and some not - Somewhere Else, This Strange Engine.   

None of it approaches CaS. it is, to me, a perfect album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 09, 2021, 08:37:04 AM
Misplaced Childhood
Fugazi
Script

(big gap)

Clutching at Straws

are my favorite Marillion albums in that order.

Zero interest in Hogarth albums, I've tried and find him to be the most boring singer ever.  Love the Fish era though.

Man, setting aside the dislike for Hogarth (taste and all that), Clutching is just a tremendous album in my view. It was really the apex of the Fish era and the one Fish album I consider as good as anything else they’ve done with Hogarth.

Yeah, me too.  Clutching is BY FAR my favorite Marillion album - of both eras - and one of my probably top 10 or even top 5 albums of all time by any artist ever.

Clutching
Misplaced
Fugazi
Script


I really like, not love, the Hogarth era; some is great - Marbles, Season's End - and some not - Somewhere Else, This Strange Engine.   

None of it approaches CaS. it is, to me, a perfect album.

To me there are 4 great Marillion albums that I could rank in almost any order, but sitting here now, I'd probably go:

1. Afraid of Sunlight
2. Brave
3. Clutching at Straws
4. Marbles

Maybe Misplaced Childhood should also be in that grouping, but I think it's in the next tier down for me along with FEAR which I really think is a tremendous album. I generally love all of the H era, though I agree on Somewhere Else and This Strange Engine being among the weaker ones.

My second tier might be something like (all fairly interchangeable):

FEAR
Misplaced Childhood
Radiation (2013)
Marillion.com
Season's End
Holidays in Eden
Sounds that Can't be Made
Anoraknophobia
Less is More

The stragglers would be:

This Strange Engine
Happiness is the Road
Somewhere Else
Fugazi
Script
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 09, 2021, 09:04:34 AM
I would swap Less Is More and Fugazi, in terms of groupings (maybe Script too) but there's not a lot to disagree with there. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 09, 2021, 09:20:26 AM
I would swap Less Is More and Fugazi, in terms of groupings (maybe Script too) but there's not a lot to disagree with there.

Yeah, I hesitated to include Less is More anyway, but I really do enjoy it. It actually kind of pulled me back in after being let down a bit by Happiness is the Road and I wanted to give it some love.

I don't know why I don't like Script very much. I feel like I should enjoy it more on a classic prog level than I do. I think it has more to do with it being kind of way out of range of what the band would become (same reason many original Marillion fans don't connect so much with the H era I guess), and Fish just being a little bit grating in his performance.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 09, 2021, 09:39:53 AM
I would swap Less Is More and Fugazi, in terms of groupings (maybe Script too) but there's not a lot to disagree with there.

Yeah, I hesitated to include Less is More anyway, but I really do enjoy it. It actually kind of pulled me back in after being let down a bit by Happiness is the Road and I wanted to give it some love.

I don't know why I don't like Script very much. I feel like I should enjoy it more on a classic prog level than I do. I think it has more to do with it being kind of way out of range of what the band would become (same reason many original Marillion fans don't connect so much with the H era I guess), and Fish just being a little bit grating in his performance.


I don't know, because I wasn't there, but I imagine if you saw the early Marquee shows in person, the album would resonate a lot more.  All those songs were concert set pieces and I think played that way on record.   The title track is the only song I would ever knowingly go to to listen to.  Maybe "He Knows You Know".   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 09, 2021, 09:46:45 AM
I would swap Less Is More and Fugazi, in terms of groupings (maybe Script too) but there's not a lot to disagree with there.

Yeah, I hesitated to include Less is More anyway, but I really do enjoy it. It actually kind of pulled me back in after being let down a bit by Happiness is the Road and I wanted to give it some love.

I don't know why I don't like Script very much. I feel like I should enjoy it more on a classic prog level than I do. I think it has more to do with it being kind of way out of range of what the band would become (same reason many original Marillion fans don't connect so much with the H era I guess), and Fish just being a little bit grating in his performance.


I don't know, because I wasn't there, but I imagine if you saw the early Marquee shows in person, the album would resonate a lot more.  All those songs were concert set pieces and I think played that way on record.   The title track is the only song I would ever knowingly go to to listen to.  Maybe "He Knows You Know".

I like Garden Party and He Knows you Know a good bit. I think H (when he tries) does Garden Party better than Fish did though!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on July 09, 2021, 01:21:07 PM
Details of the Fugazi deluxe re-issue announced:

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/remast53.htm?fbclid=IwAR3A7T0Zj-HtVsbHZl4KCwmy-YKMjHrayh_KNdjHa7wGrHIW7U65y4EUUYY

I imagine this one will benefit from a modern remix, though the original isn’t bad to me.
I think the original mix is fine. However Fugazi is my least favorite of the Fish era.  :-\ It's still a decent album though.

I prefer Fugazi to Script, but those are my two least favorite Marillion albums for sure. Fugazi starts really strong with Assassing, Punch and Judy, and Jigsaw, but then it just falls off a cliff into dense bloviating from Fish.
Yeah, those 3 songs are amazing, but then the rest is just, meh.....

Jigsaw is right up there with the best Fish-era songs.

I'm a big fan of Fugazi.  Superior to the debut in every way, and easily my second favorite of the Fish era albums after Clutching.  I like the first three tracks, but I think the album gets much better (and darker) starting with Emerald Lies and going through to the end.  Some of my favorite Fish era stuff in there.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: nick_z on July 09, 2021, 05:27:03 PM
Clutching the Straws is amazing and my favorite Marillion. Misplaced Childhood and Seasons End follow pretty closely.

As for the rest of Fish era - I might prefer Fugazi to Script too, although the latter's title track is classic.

I have a soft spot for Holidays in Eden, no matter how "commercial" it was trying to sound. Some of the melodies are just fantastic in there. Brave and Afraid of Sunlight are great too. Then things get a little shaky for me, in Marillion-land  ;D This Strange Engine has very good moments alongside questionable ones (LOVE Man of a Thousand Faces, though), and I was very disappointed when Radiation came out. As a result, I didn't pay attention for a little while (although, in retrospect, Anoraknophobia is a good one). Marbles I enjoyed, but not as much as I thought I would, given the reactions at the time...

...and after that, it's again a bit of a blur. Of the last few albums, I haven't heard Happiness, Less is More and FEAR, and I wasn't terribly impressed with Somewhere Else and Sounds That Can't Be Made.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on July 09, 2021, 06:24:43 PM
I know most don't rate Somewhere Else very highly, but I have a soft spot for that album. It does sort of feel like Marbles B-sides, but I think the overall atmosphere is great.

On the flip side, I think Brave is waaaay overrated. There are some great tracks to be sure, but as a whole it just doesn't click with me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 09, 2021, 07:42:43 PM
I know most don't rate Somewhere Else very highly, but I have a soft spot for that album. It does sort of feel like Marbles B-sides, but I think the overall atmosphere is great.

On the flip side, I think Brave is waaaay overrated. There are some great tracks to be sure, but as a whole it just doesn't click with me.

There are some songs on Somewhere Else that I rate highly (The Other Half, A Voice from the Past, the title track), and I don’t hate it the way some fans do. I do think it’s a relatively weak Marillion album, but it’s not a bad album necessarily. There really isn’t an H era Marillion album that doesn’t have songs that I really love. That ability to consistently produce gems even on their lesser albums is one of the reasons I love them so much. For instance, a lot of people don’t like Marillion.com. It has some low points for sure, but then Go!, Tumble Down the Years, Interior Lulu, and House are four of my favorite Marillion songs.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 09, 2021, 08:44:00 PM
I know most don't rate Somewhere Else very highly, but I have a soft spot for that album. It does sort of feel like Marbles B-sides, but I think the overall atmosphere is great.

On the flip side, I think Brave is waaaay overrated. There are some great tracks to be sure, but as a whole it just doesn't click with me.

There are some songs on Somewhere Else that I rate highly (The Other Half, A Voice from the Past, the title track), and I don’t hate it the way some fans do. I do think it’s a relatively weak Marillion album, but it’s not a bad album necessarily. There really isn’t an H era Marillion album that doesn’t have songs that I really love. That ability to consistently produce gems even on their lesser albums is one of the reasons I love them so much. For instance, a lot of people don’t like Marillion.com. It has some low points for sure, but then Go!, Tumble Down the Years, Interior Lulu, and House are four of my favorite Marillion songs.

I'm of this feeling for the most part. 1 reason I considered them my favorite band many years ago was how even with my least favorite records, I enjoy many moments and tracks. .com I happen to love nearly all of.

Somewhere Else I recall initially I was let down by, finding it a bit too much of a downer. But I remember by the end of the year in 2007, I grew to enjoy much of it. Voice of the Past and the title track namely.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 09, 2021, 09:38:41 PM
Clutching the Straws is amazing and my favorite Marillion. Misplaced Childhood and Seasons End follow pretty closely.

As for the rest of Fish era - I might prefer Fugazi to Script too, although the latter's title track is classic.

I have a soft spot for Holidays in Eden, no matter how "commercial" it was trying to sound. Some of the melodies are just fantastic in there. Brave and Afraid of Sunlight are great too. Then things get a little shaky for me, in Marillion-land  ;D This Strange Engine has very good moments alongside questionable ones (LOVE Man of a Thousand Faces, though), and I was very disappointed when Radiation came out. As a result, I didn't pay attention for a little while (although, in retrospect, Anoraknophobia is a good one). Marbles I enjoyed, but not as much as I thought I would, given the reactions at the time...

...and after that, it's again a bit of a blur. Of the last few albums, I haven't heard Happiness, Less is More and FEAR, and I wasn't terribly impressed with Somewhere Else and Sounds That Can't Be Made.

We mirror a lot here.  Some differences - I'm a fan of the melodies on HiE, too, but the album just sounds too wimpy for me.  I don't mind commercial, that wasn't it, it was the sound.  CaS and SE are two of the best sounding records I own and they ditched that.  But things get shaky at the same time for us; but with me, it was TSE that made me lose attention, and once I rejoined - with Marbles - I went back and yes, Anoraknophobia is a solid record. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 09, 2021, 09:41:07 PM
I know most don't rate Somewhere Else very highly, but I have a soft spot for that album. It does sort of feel like Marbles B-sides, but I think the overall atmosphere is great.

On the flip side, I think Brave is waaaay overrated. There are some great tracks to be sure, but as a whole it just doesn't click with me.

There are some songs on Somewhere Else that I rate highly (The Other Half, A Voice from the Past, the title track), and I don’t hate it the way some fans do. I do think it’s a relatively weak Marillion album, but it’s not a bad album necessarily. There really isn’t an H era Marillion album that doesn’t have songs that I really love. That ability to consistently produce gems even on their lesser albums is one of the reasons I love them so much. For instance, a lot of people don’t like Marillion.com. It has some low points for sure, but then Go!, Tumble Down the Years, Interior Lulu, and House are four of my favorite Marillion songs.

The problem with Somewhere Else is that it is Zooropa, or Draw The Line, or The Final Cut... it followed Marbles, which for me fired on ALL cylinders. That was everything the hype made it out to be (and the last with Dave Meegan, if I recall; they need to rekindle the fire with that dude, stat.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 09, 2021, 10:53:32 PM
I'm a fan of the melodies on HiE, too, but the album just sounds too wimpy for me.  I don't mind commercial, that wasn't it, it was the sound.   

Holidays in Eden is a weird one that I didn't love for a while but it grew on me every time I revisited it. I think it was partly due to the US version's track listing. A Collection is nice, but I can't stand How Can it Hurt, and I think the UK track order just works a little better. I don't mind the Christopher Neal production. It has more muscle to it than something like Mike + The Mechanics, and some proggy moments next to the pop, which made the whole thing a bit of a mash up of styles. It's a unique album that was clearly intended to reach a broader audience, but the band couldn't really get all the way there to a pop album. Maybe it ends up doing neither pop nor prog very well, but I kind of like that about it.

I do like this demo version of No One Can a lot. More stripped down and it just rocks a little more than the final product.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwxyDMCUgQI


The problem with Somewhere Else is that it is Zooropa, or Draw The Line, or The Final Cut... it followed Marbles, which for me fired on ALL cylinders. That was everything the hype made it out to be (and the last with Dave Meegan, if I recall; they need to rekindle the fire with that dude, stat.)

It's interesting because Meegan was just on Hogarth's podcast the other week, and I got the impression that he thinks fondly of the band and that he and H at least are still on good terms. I don't know that I've ever heard a specific reason why they stopped working together after Marbles other than wanting to try something new, and Mike Hunter seeming to know and work with the band well (quirks and all) due to running live sound and helping out in the studio. I get the sense that they are sort of joined at the hip with Hunter now as he's a big part of the Marillion organization and almost another band member. I'm not sure how easy it would be to get him to move over for Meegan to do an album, but I suppose if the band wanted to do it they could.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: DTA on July 10, 2021, 04:27:44 AM
I know most don't rate Somewhere Else very highly, but I have a soft spot for that album. It does sort of feel like Marbles B-sides, but I think the overall atmosphere is great.

On the flip side, I think Brave is waaaay overrated. There are some great tracks to be sure, but as a whole it just doesn't click with me.

Somewhere Else is sloppy overall but The Wound is a track I highly recommend revisiting. Seems to have disappeared from everyone's memory but it's a really great track surrounded by a lot of mediocrity. The title track is also spectacular and Faith does it for me as well.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 10, 2021, 07:27:12 AM
I know most don't rate Somewhere Else very highly, but I have a soft spot for that album. It does sort of feel like Marbles B-sides, but I think the overall atmosphere is great.

On the flip side, I think Brave is waaaay overrated. There are some great tracks to be sure, but as a whole it just doesn't click with me.

Somewhere Else is sloppy overall but The Wound is a track I highly recommend revisiting. Seems to have disappeared from everyone's memory but it's a really great track surrounded by a lot of mediocrity. The title track is also spectacular and Faith does it for me as well.

I do like Faith a lot, but The Wound is one of the disappointments of the album for me. It starts off well and then kind of gets lost in the second half and never finds its way back to anything super interesting. More of a missed opportunity than anything. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 10, 2021, 03:25:57 PM

It's interesting because Meegan was just on Hogarth's podcast the other week, and I got the impression that he thinks fondly of the band and that he and H at least are still on good terms. I don't know that I've ever heard a specific reason why they stopped working together after Marbles other than wanting to try something new, and Mike Hunter seeming to know and work with the band well (quirks and all) due to running live sound and helping out in the studio. I get the sense that they are sort of joined at the hip with Hunter now as he's a big part of the Marillion organization and almost another band member. I'm not sure how easy it would be to get him to move over for Meegan to do an album, but I suppose if the band wanted to do it they could.

Don't ask me where I heard this, because I can't recall, but he was pretty intense.  He would catalogue all the little riffs and bits and pull them out during recording and... these are my words, but you'll get the idea - sort of force them on the band.  "This should go here" kind of thing.  I think the band wanted to get away from that structure a bit and do a little more free-flowing thing.  To their detriment, if you're asking me.

I think he also got their second best sound (behind Kimsey).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 10, 2021, 04:00:21 PM

It's interesting because Meegan was just on Hogarth's podcast the other week, and I got the impression that he thinks fondly of the band and that he and H at least are still on good terms. I don't know that I've ever heard a specific reason why they stopped working together after Marbles other than wanting to try something new, and Mike Hunter seeming to know and work with the band well (quirks and all) due to running live sound and helping out in the studio. I get the sense that they are sort of joined at the hip with Hunter now as he's a big part of the Marillion organization and almost another band member. I'm not sure how easy it would be to get him to move over for Meegan to do an album, but I suppose if the band wanted to do it they could.

Don't ask me where I heard this, because I can't recall, but he was pretty intense.  He would catalogue all the little riffs and bits and pull them out during recording and... these are my words, but you'll get the idea - sort of force them on the band.  "This should go here" kind of thing.  I think the band wanted to get away from that structure a bit and do a little more free-flowing thing.  To their detriment, if you're asking me.

I think he also got their second best sound (behind Kimsey).

He definitely worked that way and I know on at least Afraid of Sunlight he ruffled some band member’s feathers by the way he assembled some of the songs (I know Mark Kelly was not initially happy with the album). But the thing is, I think Hunter does pretty much the same thing in terms of cataloging all the jams and pulling the best parts out, etc. I get the sense that maybe they had the chance to bring him on full time as sort of the producer in residence at Racket and possibly save some money (not cynicism, just reality given the way they work).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on July 11, 2021, 12:48:29 AM

It's interesting because Meegan was just on Hogarth's podcast the other week, and I got the impression that he thinks fondly of the band and that he and H at least are still on good terms. I don't know that I've ever heard a specific reason why they stopped working together after Marbles other than wanting to try something new, and Mike Hunter seeming to know and work with the band well (quirks and all) due to running live sound and helping out in the studio. I get the sense that they are sort of joined at the hip with Hunter now as he's a big part of the Marillion organization and almost another band member. I'm not sure how easy it would be to get him to move over for Meegan to do an album, but I suppose if the band wanted to do it they could.

Don't ask me where I heard this, because I can't recall, but he was pretty intense.  He would catalogue all the little riffs and bits and pull them out during recording and... these are my words, but you'll get the idea - sort of force them on the band.  "This should go here" kind of thing.  I think the band wanted to get away from that structure a bit and do a little more free-flowing thing.  To their detriment, if you're asking me.

I think he also got their second best sound (behind Kimsey).
Sounds a lot like the way Devin Townsend produces albums. Everything has to be exactly where he wants it. He is a perfectionist to the extreme. However, I think he gets great results every time. Some people just have a knack for knowing the perfect structure of songs and all their various parts.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 11, 2021, 01:42:01 PM
Out of sheer curiosity and because it would be different, I’d kind of like to see the band work with Trevor Horn. Hogarth has done some stuff with him recently and Horn told him he was a fan of “what he does,” so I could see him maybe being willing to produce an album or some sort of special project.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 12, 2021, 03:45:32 AM
Dave Meegan is expensive. That's why they stopped working with him. Mike Hunter is fantastic at pulling the music together, but when it comes to mixing and mastering, he's a cloth-eared clod. Audiophile albums these aren't. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 26, 2021, 08:30:31 AM
Latest update. Sounds like recording should be done this month, then they are taking August off and mixing in September. They mention the first time we might hear new material is at the November shows, so I’m guessing we’re looking at early/spring 2022 release date for the album. Kind of a bummer.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7OhkUn1O4BU
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 26, 2021, 07:36:28 PM
Details of the Fugazi deluxe re-issue announced:

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/remast53.htm?fbclid=IwAR3A7T0Zj-HtVsbHZl4KCwmy-YKMjHrayh_KNdjHa7wGrHIW7U65y4EUUYY

I imagine this one will benefit from a modern remix, though the original isn’t bad to me.

Preordered for the two live gigs and the doc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 26, 2021, 07:40:50 PM
really excited about the complete 1984 Montreal Spectrum show.   I wasn't there of course, I was too young but the first time I saw Marillion live was at the Spectrum in 2004 on the Marbles tour and that venue closed just a few years later.  Such a shame.

You know it!  That was supposed to be a legendary show! A few of those songs are already on Real to Reel.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 26, 2021, 07:48:05 PM
I would swap Less Is More and Fugazi, in terms of groupings (maybe Script too) but there's not a lot to disagree with there.

Yeah, I hesitated to include Less is More anyway, but I really do enjoy it. It actually kind of pulled me back in after being let down a bit by Happiness is the Road and I wanted to give it some love.

I don't know why I don't like Script very much. I feel like I should enjoy it more on a classic prog level than I do. I think it has more to do with it being kind of way out of range of what the band would become (same reason many original Marillion fans don't connect so much with the H era I guess), and Fish just being a little bit grating in his performance.

Less Is More is at the bottom of my list along with Brave and half of Afraid of Sunlight.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 26, 2021, 07:53:22 PM
I would swap Less Is More and Fugazi, in terms of groupings (maybe Script too) but there's not a lot to disagree with there.

Yeah, I hesitated to include Less is More anyway, but I really do enjoy it. It actually kind of pulled me back in after being let down a bit by Happiness is the Road and I wanted to give it some love.

I don't know why I don't like Script very much. I feel like I should enjoy it more on a classic prog level than I do. I think it has more to do with it being kind of way out of range of what the band would become (same reason many original Marillion fans don't connect so much with the H era I guess), and Fish just being a little bit grating in his performance.


I don't know, because I wasn't there, but I imagine if you saw the early Marquee shows in person, the album would resonate a lot more.  All those songs were concert set pieces and I think played that way on record.   The title track is the only song I would ever knowingly go to to listen to.  Maybe "He Knows You Know".


I like Garden Party and He Knows you Know a good bit. I think H (when he tries) does Garden Party better than Fish did though!


At this point, I'd rather both Fish and Hogarth stay away from the Fish/Marillion songs and just let the crowd sing them if they need to be played.

Plenty of legendary live Marillion out there now from every era to enjoy.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 26, 2021, 07:59:16 PM
I know most don't rate Somewhere Else very highly, but I have a soft spot for that album. It does sort of feel like Marbles B-sides, but I think the overall atmosphere is great.

On the flip side, I think Brave is waaaay overrated. There are some great tracks to be sure, but as a whole it just doesn't click with me.

There are some songs on Somewhere Else that I rate highly (The Other Half, A Voice from the Past, the title track), and I don’t hate it the way some fans do. I do think it’s a relatively weak Marillion album, but it’s not a bad album necessarily. There really isn’t an H era Marillion album that doesn’t have songs that I really love. That ability to consistently produce gems even on their lesser albums is one of the reasons I love them so much. For instance, a lot of people don’t like Marillion.com. It has some low points for sure, but then Go!, Tumble Down the Years, Interior Lulu, and House are four of my favorite Marillion songs.

The problem with Somewhere Else is that it is Zooropa, or Draw The Line, or The Final Cut... it followed Marbles, which for me fired on ALL cylinders. That was everything the hype made it out to be (and the last with Dave Meegan, if I recall; they need to rekindle the fire with that dude, stat.)

Big fan of The Final Cut and a bit lesser fan of Zooropa. Maybe that's why I like Somewhere Else.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 26, 2021, 08:03:10 PM
Latest update. Sounds like recording should be done this month, then they are taking August off and mixing in September. They mention the first time we might hear new material is at the November shows, so I’m guessing we’re looking at early/spring 2022 release date for the album. Kind of a bummer.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7OhkUn1O4BU

Good. That means Rothery can get cracking on his solo album. As much as I'd like a new Marillion album, I think I'm looking forward to Rothery's album more.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 27, 2021, 05:56:44 AM
I would swap Less Is More and Fugazi, in terms of groupings (maybe Script too) but there's not a lot to disagree with there.

Yeah, I hesitated to include Less is More anyway, but I really do enjoy it. It actually kind of pulled me back in after being let down a bit by Happiness is the Road and I wanted to give it some love.

I don't know why I don't like Script very much. I feel like I should enjoy it more on a classic prog level than I do. I think it has more to do with it being kind of way out of range of what the band would become (same reason many original Marillion fans don't connect so much with the H era I guess), and Fish just being a little bit grating in his performance.


I don't know, because I wasn't there, but I imagine if you saw the early Marquee shows in person, the album would resonate a lot more.  All those songs were concert set pieces and I think played that way on record.   The title track is the only song I would ever knowingly go to to listen to.  Maybe "He Knows You Know".


I like Garden Party and He Knows you Know a good bit. I think H (when he tries) does Garden Party better than Fish did though!


At this point, I'd rather both Fish and Hogarth stay away from the Fish/Marillion songs and just let the crowd sing them if they need to be played.

Plenty of legendary live Marillion out there now from every era to enjoy.



Ooooh, not to be argumentative, but I hate that, when the singer jsut points the mic and let's the crowd sing.  I didn't pay to hear that, I paid to hear the artist.    That's just me, though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: nick_z on July 28, 2021, 05:45:33 PM

Good. That means Rothery can get cracking on his solo album. As much as I'd like a new Marillion album, I think I'm looking forward to Rothery's album more.

What do you think of his side project from a few years ago, The Wishing Tree? I remember finding the first album pleasant enough. Songs like Evergreen and Nightwater had some tasty Rotherisms. And Paul Craddick on drums is always good hear, even in this more laid back context. The second album, Ostara, I found in the used cd bin a few years back, but I don't remember much from it. I should probably check it out again...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 28, 2021, 06:20:02 PM

Good. That means Rothery can get cracking on his solo album. As much as I'd like a new Marillion album, I think I'm looking forward to Rothery's album more.

What do you think of his side project from a few years ago, The Wishing Tree? I remember finding the first album pleasant enough. Songs like Evergreen and Nightwater had some tasty Rotherisms. And Paul Craddick on drums is always good hear, even in this more laid back context. The second album, Ostara, I found in the used cd bin a few years back, but I don't remember much from it. I should probably check it out again...

I like both of the Wishing Tree albums, and probably like Ostara a little more than the debut. If you like those, check out Hannah Stobart and Paul Craddick’s Rocket Moth project, which is a lot like Ostara but heavier.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on August 03, 2021, 07:28:54 AM
Pre-order for the new album is up!

https://marillion.ear-music.net/?fbclid=IwAR1S9REzYj2_qVezxSXN1g2MU03zAvFl7ITO_TdJzl7HyXTfgDz3hviifiM
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on August 03, 2021, 07:58:42 AM
They have a cassette format? Only Marillion  :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on August 03, 2021, 08:09:46 AM
I’ve never actually participated in the pre-order campaigns before. I might this time as money is somewhat less of an object at this point in life, and this could well be their last hurrah (let’s hope not, but at the rate they’re going…).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on August 03, 2021, 08:39:33 AM
I did on FEAR, it's a decent price for a signed cd without having to go through a meet and greet, especially when they only tour the US every ten years or so. The FEAR album had good, prominent autographs on the cover, very well done.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 03, 2021, 09:44:45 AM
I might do this as well.   Interesting.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on August 03, 2021, 12:31:45 PM
I caved per I have preordered every record since failing miserably with Marbles.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 07, 2021, 12:28:00 PM
I would swap Less Is More and Fugazi, in terms of groupings (maybe Script too) but there's not a lot to disagree with there.

Yeah, I hesitated to include Less is More anyway, but I really do enjoy it. It actually kind of pulled me back in after being let down a bit by Happiness is the Road and I wanted to give it some love.

I don't know why I don't like Script very much. I feel like I should enjoy it more on a classic prog level than I do. I think it has more to do with it being kind of way out of range of what the band would become (same reason many original Marillion fans don't connect so much with the H era I guess), and Fish just being a little bit grating in his performance.


I don't know, because I wasn't there, but I imagine if you saw the early Marquee shows in person, the album would resonate a lot more.  All those songs were concert set pieces and I think played that way on record.   The title track is the only song I would ever knowingly go to to listen to.  Maybe "He Knows You Know".


I like Garden Party and He Knows you Know a good bit. I think H (when he tries) does Garden Party better than Fish did though!


At this point, I'd rather both Fish and Hogarth stay away from the Fish/Marillion songs and just let the crowd sing them if they need to be played.

Plenty of legendary live Marillion out there now from every era to enjoy.



Ooooh, not to be argumentative, but I hate that, when the singer jsut points the mic and let's the crowd sing.  I didn't pay to hear that, I paid to hear the artist.    That's just me, though.

I may be in the minority on it but I pay for the experience as well as the artist.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 07, 2021, 12:37:31 PM

Good. That means Rothery can get cracking on his solo album. As much as I'd like a new Marillion album, I think I'm looking forward to Rothery's album more.

What do you think of his side project from a few years ago, The Wishing Tree? I remember finding the first album pleasant enough. Songs like Evergreen and Nightwater had some tasty Rotherisms. And Paul Craddick on drums is always good hear, even in this more laid back context. The second album, Ostara, I found in the used cd bin a few years back, but I don't remember much from it. I should probably check it out again...

I like them. Probably enjoy the first album more but Ostara is pretty cool for what it is. Like Craddick on drums too.

But I have to say I REALLY dig "Ghosts" even more (Love the Live in Rome CD/DVD even more!) No singing, just Rothery playing songs on his guitar. It's one of my favorite albums.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 07, 2021, 12:38:50 PM

Good. That means Rothery can get cracking on his solo album. As much as I'd like a new Marillion album, I think I'm looking forward to Rothery's album more.

What do you think of his side project from a few years ago, The Wishing Tree? I remember finding the first album pleasant enough. Songs like Evergreen and Nightwater had some tasty Rotherisms. And Paul Craddick on drums is always good hear, even in this more laid back context. The second album, Ostara, I found in the used cd bin a few years back, but I don't remember much from it. I should probably check it out again...

I like both of the Wishing Tree albums, and probably like Ostara a little more than the debut. If you like those, check out Hannah Stobart and Paul Craddick’s Rocket Moth project, which is a lot like Ostara but heavier.

Didn't know about Rocket Moth. Thanks. Might have to check them out.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 07, 2021, 12:54:55 PM
Pre-order for the new album is up!

https://marillion.ear-music.net/?fbclid=IwAR1S9REzYj2_qVezxSXN1g2MU03zAvFl7ITO_TdJzl7HyXTfgDz3hviifiM

Already ordered the 2CD set. I don't need cassettes and vinyl from Fish/Marillion at this point in my life. Would have waited, but the place they outsourced the preordering to (can't remember off hand... Ear Music?) started raising the price of FEAR  the closer to its release date so I don't want that to happen to me again.

Kinda sucks that you can't really decide when to buy CDs anymore. If you don't get it right away or when it's released the price may quadruple in weeks or months.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on August 31, 2021, 07:32:46 AM
The initials for the new album are AHBID, and the full name will be unveiled soon (I think this Friday but not totally sure). There’s a contest to win free tickets for the entirety of their upcoming UK tour if you guess the name right (or other stuff if you can’t make it). Check the band’s Facebook page for details, pretty sure a direct link won’t work.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on August 31, 2021, 07:49:43 AM
The initials for the new album are AHBID, and the full name will be unveiled soon (I think this Friday but not totally sure). There’s a contest to win free tickets for the entirety of their upcoming UK tour if you guess the name right (or other stuff if you can’t make it). Check the band’s Facebook page for details, pretty sure a direct link won’t work.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=392358312251288&id=100044313675284

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31st August 2021 - Album 20 - It's Competition Time!

Hello Everyone,

It's competition time!

As you all know, a few weeks ago we launched the pre-order campaign for our 20th studio album (yes, Less Is More and With Friends From The Orchestra do count, because err...we say so!)

Full details of how you can get involved in the campaign are available here -

www.marillion.com/pre-order

We are also now delighted to say that we're almost ready to reveal the title of the album. However, we thought we'd try and make it a bit more interesting than just putting out the usual press release.

What we're going to do is announce the initials of the title via our social channels and website and then we're going to let you guess what you think the album is called. When you've seen the initials and you've decided what you think the title is, just email us on light@marillion.com with your best guess at the title.

All the correct answers will go in a draw and we'll pick one winner at random who will receive tickets for the ENTIRE UK Light At The End Of The Tunnel tour (see www.marillion.com/tour for dates). If you are unable to use your prize, then we'll send you a load of new album merchandise when it's available.

You have until Friday 3rd September to get your entries in and we'll notify the winner shortly after.

Please note that any multiple entries will be discarded.

Good luck!

h, Mark, Ian, Steve, Pete & The Racket Records Team

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on August 31, 2021, 08:03:38 AM
As usual, Marc is on it!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: DTA on August 31, 2021, 01:18:41 PM
Any guesses?

I’m going with A House Built In Darkness. I’m thinking the email address having “light” in it is a clue.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on August 31, 2021, 02:24:30 PM
Any guesses?

I’m going with A House Built In Darkness. I’m thinking the email address having “light” in it is a clue.

They did call the upcoming tour the Light at the End of the Tunnel Tour (presumably due to coming out of COVID restrictions, etc.), which might be where the light part came from. But maybe they decided to tie the album title into the tour theme too. I saw someone else suggest A Hope Born in Daylight.

I'm wondering if anyone will actually guess it right though. It could be (almost) anything!


Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on August 31, 2021, 03:08:34 PM
So Dave Meegan was back on Steve Hogarth's podcast this week, and one of the interesting things he talked about was how Pete had a new lease on life when the band reconvened for the Anoraknophobia sessions. Pete had been in a serious biking accident in early 1999 and had to have his leg reconstructed, and during the course of his recovery he gave up drinking. Apparently this sort of reinvigorated him creatively and also made him somewhat easier to work with, and both H and Meegan talked about how much more involved he was in the overall musical direction of the band from that point on. I do think you can see him being a bit more prominent bass wise on those albums, but I also think this included being more involved in the arrangements and expanding on the other guys' musical ideas. It's interesting too because the first Transatlantic album also happened in the interim between the accident and Anorak (as did most of the recording of Marillion.com). I had heard him talk a little bit about how he used to drink too much in the past, and I vaguely recall reading about the accident in the past, but I hadn't realized how the accident lead to his sobriety and to some extent to the rejuvenation of Marillion in the 2000s. It's possible things wouldn't have worked out as well in Transatlantic without it as well.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on August 31, 2021, 08:08:13 PM
So Dave Meegan was back on Steve Hogarth's podcast this week, and one of the interesting things he talked about was how Pete had a new lease on life when the band reconvened for the Anoraknophobia sessions. Pete had been in a serious biking accident in early 1999 and had to have his leg reconstructed, and during the course of his recovery he gave up drinking. Apparently this sort of reinvigorated him creatively and also made him somewhat easier to work with, and both H and Meegan talked about how much more involved he was in the overall musical direction of the band from that point on. I do think you can see him being a bit more prominent bass wise on those albums, but I also think this included being more involved in the arrangements and expanding on the other guys' musical ideas. It's interesting too because the first Transatlantic album also happened in the interim between the accident and Anorak (as did most of the recording of Marillion.com). I had heard him talk a little bit about how he used to drink too much in the past, and I vaguely recall reading about the accident in the past, but I hadn't realized how the accident lead to his sobriety and to some extent to the rejuvenation of Marillion in the 2000s. It's possible things wouldn't have worked out as well in Transatlantic without it as well.

I didn't know that story, thanks for that!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on September 01, 2021, 08:15:21 AM
So Dave Meegan was back on Steve Hogarth's podcast this week, and one of the interesting things he talked about was how Pete had a new lease on life when the band reconvened for the Anoraknophobia sessions. Pete had been in a serious biking accident in early 1999 and had to have his leg reconstructed, and during the course of his recovery he gave up drinking. Apparently this sort of reinvigorated him creatively and also made him somewhat easier to work with, and both H and Meegan talked about how much more involved he was in the overall musical direction of the band from that point on. I do think you can see him being a bit more prominent bass wise on those albums, but I also think this included being more involved in the arrangements and expanding on the other guys' musical ideas. It's interesting too because the first Transatlantic album also happened in the interim between the accident and Anorak (as did most of the recording of Marillion.com). I had heard him talk a little bit about how he used to drink too much in the past, and I vaguely recall reading about the accident in the past, but I hadn't realized how the accident lead to his sobriety and to some extent to the rejuvenation of Marillion in the 2000s. It's possible things wouldn't have worked out as well in Transatlantic without it as well.

I didn't know that either; I know for me, Pete was always my least favorite member of Marillion, and I remember when I first got into the band (with Misplaced Childhood) my friend and I would sometimes make fun of him for being the little kid tagging along after his older brothers.  I also didn't care for his vocals; that part in Fugazi is lame AF to this day, if you ask me.     

Having said that, through his work in Transatlantic, I've reached a real appreciation for him and he may actually be my favorite member of the band now. 

Did he say anything about perhaps working with the band again?   Other than Season's End, the Meegan records are my favorite from the Hogarth era.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 01, 2021, 09:00:54 AM
They're still friendly with Meegan, but Mike Hunter is their in-house producer for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 01, 2021, 09:03:49 AM
So Dave Meegan was back on Steve Hogarth's podcast this week, and one of the interesting things he talked about was how Pete had a new lease on life when the band reconvened for the Anoraknophobia sessions. Pete had been in a serious biking accident in early 1999 and had to have his leg reconstructed, and during the course of his recovery he gave up drinking. Apparently this sort of reinvigorated him creatively and also made him somewhat easier to work with, and both H and Meegan talked about how much more involved he was in the overall musical direction of the band from that point on. I do think you can see him being a bit more prominent bass wise on those albums, but I also think this included being more involved in the arrangements and expanding on the other guys' musical ideas. It's interesting too because the first Transatlantic album also happened in the interim between the accident and Anorak (as did most of the recording of Marillion.com). I had heard him talk a little bit about how he used to drink too much in the past, and I vaguely recall reading about the accident in the past, but I hadn't realized how the accident lead to his sobriety and to some extent to the rejuvenation of Marillion in the 2000s. It's possible things wouldn't have worked out as well in Transatlantic without it as well.

I didn't know that either; I know for me, Pete was always my least favorite member of Marillion, and I remember when I first got into the band (with Misplaced Childhood) my friend and I would sometimes make fun of him for being the little kid tagging along after his older brothers.  I also didn't care for his vocals; that part in Fugazi is lame AF to this day, if you ask me.     

Having said that, through his work in Transatlantic, I've reached a real appreciation for him and he may actually be my favorite member of the band now. 

Did he say anything about perhaps working with the band again?   Other than Season's End, the Meegan records are my favorite from the Hogarth era.

It was sort of mentioned in passing that he had taken a hiatus from music after Marbles. I kind of got the impression he may be more or less retired.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on September 01, 2021, 11:45:57 AM
They're still friendly with Meegan, but Mike Hunter is their in-house producer for the foreseeable future.

 :tdwn

Haha.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: DTA on September 02, 2021, 03:59:47 PM
So Dave Meegan was back on Steve Hogarth's podcast this week, and one of the interesting things he talked about was how Pete had a new lease on life when the band reconvened for the Anoraknophobia sessions. Pete had been in a serious biking accident in early 1999 and had to have his leg reconstructed, and during the course of his recovery he gave up drinking. Apparently this sort of reinvigorated him creatively and also made him somewhat easier to work with, and both H and Meegan talked about how much more involved he was in the overall musical direction of the band from that point on. I do think you can see him being a bit more prominent bass wise on those albums, but I also think this included being more involved in the arrangements and expanding on the other guys' musical ideas. It's interesting too because the first Transatlantic album also happened in the interim between the accident and Anorak (as did most of the recording of Marillion.com). I had heard him talk a little bit about how he used to drink too much in the past, and I vaguely recall reading about the accident in the past, but I hadn't realized how the accident lead to his sobriety and to some extent to the rejuvenation of Marillion in the 2000s. It's possible things wouldn't have worked out as well in Transatlantic without it as well.

That's pretty interesting. I honestly don't know much about the guys in that band (besides h who released an autobiography) despite being a fan for 20+ years so this is something I've never heard.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 03, 2021, 06:52:26 AM
An Hour Before It’s Dark

https://twitter.com/marilliononline/status/1433747620133052417?s=21



Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 20, 2021, 06:34:49 AM
Trailer for Steve Rothery Band - Live in London Blu-Ray/CD. Looks and sounds great.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR1Qnhxz3vtWRBTQz9l3-YK1wVlIVmdYdYMMfbLX-HhGS5Gyir5uTq3RwnA&v=tZohWZaxzB4&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 20, 2021, 10:44:35 PM
in the latest newsletter, H talks about the lyrical side of the new record.

Not surprised.

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20th September 2021 - An Hour Before It's Dark Update
 
Hello everyone,
 
"An Hour Before it’s Dark"
 
It would seem that much of the foreboding in our last album FEAR turned out to be well-founded. ..
 
For this one I set out to avoid writing about the pandemic at all costs because I thought every other artist would be. When push came to shove though, it was impossible not to reference it. It has become part of life so there’s no ignoring it creatively just as there’s no ignoring it, period.
 
However, the pandemic isn’t our biggest problem, the mass extinction and the climate-gone-mad is where we really need to blow our economies - personal and national.

We’re going to have to save the earth whether we’re hippies or billionaires. That’s got to be our number 1 priority. We’re gonna have to be hard on ourselves. It was this thought that shaped the overall lyrical arc of this album.
 
Despite the bleak concept, musically it’s rich and perhaps our most upbeat work for many years.
 
(There is also a love song to Leonard Cohen and a song about a big diamond).

h
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on September 21, 2021, 06:49:39 AM
Wow.  I was considering getting the pre-sale version, but that's doing nothing to make me want to drop $50 clams.   I very much am not a fan of the strident, preachy Steve Hogarth.   :(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on September 22, 2021, 07:54:02 AM
Songs on the new album:
1. Be Hard On Yourself 
2. Murder Machines
3. Reprogram the Gene
4. The Crow and the Nightingale
5. Sierra Leone
6. Care

Read more here - https://www.loudersound.com/news/marillion-reveal-song-titles-for-new-album-an-hour-before-its-dark

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 22, 2021, 08:11:49 AM
Songs on the new album:
1. Be Hard On Yourself 
2. Murder Machines
3. Reprogram the Gene
4. The Crow and the Nightingale
5. Sierra Leone
6. Care

Read more here - https://www.loudersound.com/news/marillion-reveal-song-titles-for-new-album-an-hour-before-its-dark

-Marc.

Just six songs, so expecting some more longer songs like on FEAR. Kind of hope they don’t split them up again like they did for that (technically FEAR was just 5/6 songs depending on how you categorize Tomorrow’s New Country).

I’m a little surprised they are going the epic route since they have talked a lot about how much more up tempo or energetic this album is. Was kind of expecting more shorter songs, but I suppose we don’t know which ones might be epic and which aren’t.

Also, they’ve been saying for about a month now that they are done recording and it is just needing to be mixed. I’m almost certain that is an old quote in the article since the hope was to be done mixing by the end of September so they could deliver it for manufacture by the end of the month. They’ve already confirmed a six month wait time for production, so if they don’t get it done this month, it won’t be out before April 2022 at the earliest.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on September 22, 2021, 09:59:01 AM
Songs on the new album:
1. Be Hard On Yourself 
2. Murder Machines
3. Reprogram the Gene
4. The Crow and the Nightingale
5. Sierra Leone
6. Care

Read more here - https://www.loudersound.com/news/marillion-reveal-song-titles-for-new-album-an-hour-before-its-dark

-Marc.

Just six songs, so expecting some more longer songs like on FEAR. Kind of hope they don’t split them up again like they did for that (technically FEAR was just 5/6 songs depending on how you categorize Tomorrow’s New Country).

I’m a little surprised they are going the epic route since they have talked a lot about how much more up tempo or energetic this album is. Was kind of expecting more shorter songs, but I suppose we don’t know which ones might be epic and which aren’t.

Also, they’ve been saying for about a month now that they are done recording and it is just needing to be mixed. I’m almost certain that is an old quote in the article since the hope was to be done mixing by the end of September so they could deliver it for manufacture by the end of the month. They’ve already confirmed a six month wait time for production, so if they don’t get it done this month, it won’t be out before April 2022 at the earliest.

Has it been said how long the album will be? I assume it'll be a single disc based on the pre-orders, but it could be 45 minutes or it could be 75 minutes. Either way, I suspect at least one "epic-length" tune among those six, in the 15-20 minute range.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 22, 2021, 10:15:59 AM
Songs on the new album:
1. Be Hard On Yourself 
2. Murder Machines
3. Reprogram the Gene
4. The Crow and the Nightingale
5. Sierra Leone
6. Care

Read more here - https://www.loudersound.com/news/marillion-reveal-song-titles-for-new-album-an-hour-before-its-dark

-Marc.

Just six songs, so expecting some more longer songs like on FEAR. Kind of hope they don’t split them up again like they did for that (technically FEAR was just 5/6 songs depending on how you categorize Tomorrow’s New Country).

I’m a little surprised they are going the epic route since they have talked a lot about how much more up tempo or energetic this album is. Was kind of expecting more shorter songs, but I suppose we don’t know which ones might be epic and which aren’t.

Also, they’ve been saying for about a month now that they are done recording and it is just needing to be mixed. I’m almost certain that is an old quote in the article since the hope was to be done mixing by the end of September so they could deliver it for manufacture by the end of the month. They’ve already confirmed a six month wait time for production, so if they don’t get it done this month, it won’t be out before April 2022 at the earliest.

Has it been said how long the album will be? I assume it'll be a single disc based on the pre-orders, but it could be 45 minutes or it could be 75 minutes. Either way, I suspect at least one "epic-length" tune among those six, in the 15-20 minute range.

-Marc.

Not that I can recall off the top of my head, though I believe they confirmed it was a single disc. I would be somewhat surprised if it’s a shorter length like 45 minutes, but you never know!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on September 22, 2021, 10:40:14 AM
So Marillion, which is it?  Don't Hurt Yourself or Be Hard on Yourself?  Can you be hard on yourself without hurting yourself?  I hope they can answer that question!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 23, 2021, 03:09:57 AM
So Marillion, which is it?  Don't Hurt Yourself or Be Hard on Yourself?  Can you be hard on yourself without hurting yourself?  I hope they can answer that question!

That was the first thing I thought of!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on September 23, 2021, 11:42:46 PM
Can you be hard on yourself without hurting yourself?
Yes..... :zydarscouch:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on October 07, 2021, 09:13:23 AM
So Marillion launched a crowdfunding campaign this morning to insure their European tour since no insurers will do it. Managed to get Forbes to write about it:

https://www.forbes.com/uk/advisor/personal-finance/2021/10/07/insurance-crisis-sees-rock-band-ask-fans-to-back-tour/?fbclid=IwAR2UuTRT4Xuv69BjYWtISY5osr4OFmU7OH4P3quEluCB2xKuDOldf9e8ORg
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on October 07, 2021, 09:20:54 AM
So Marillion launched a crowdfunding campaign this morning to insure their European tour since no insurers will do it. Managed to get Forbes to write about it:

https://www.forbes.com/uk/advisor/personal-finance/2021/10/07/insurance-crisis-sees-rock-band-ask-fans-to-back-tour/?fbclid=IwAR2UuTRT4Xuv69BjYWtISY5osr4OFmU7OH4P3quEluCB2xKuDOldf9e8ORg

Saw that. Have mixed feelings about it. But I totally get it. I mean Metallica right now is suing their insurers because they don't want to cover the South American tour that was cancelled. So there are some problems with insurers not wanting to insure rock bands right now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on October 07, 2021, 10:23:07 AM
So Marillion launched a crowdfunding campaign this morning to insure their European tour since no insurers will do it. Managed to get Forbes to write about it:

https://www.forbes.com/uk/advisor/personal-finance/2021/10/07/insurance-crisis-sees-rock-band-ask-fans-to-back-tour/?fbclid=IwAR2UuTRT4Xuv69BjYWtISY5osr4OFmU7OH4P3quEluCB2xKuDOldf9e8ORg

Saw that. Have mixed feelings about it. But I totally get it. I mean Metallica right now is suing their insurers because they don't want to cover the South American tour that was cancelled. So there are some problems with insurers not wanting to insure rock bands right now.

Just judging from feedback on Facebook and the Marillion forum, they seem to be getting a lot of support. I was worried when I saw it that it may be asking too much on the heels of the pre-order campaign. I think it helps to have an older fan base with disposable income. I personally decided against paying for any of the expensive pre-order items, and I’m not planning to help fund this either, but I’m glad they will have some financial security going into the tour as I certainly don’t want to see them bankrupted if something goes wrong on the tour.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 16, 2021, 04:35:44 PM
So Marillion launched a crowdfunding campaign this morning to insure their European tour since no insurers will do it. Managed to get Forbes to write about it:

https://www.forbes.com/uk/advisor/personal-finance/2021/10/07/insurance-crisis-sees-rock-band-ask-fans-to-back-tour/?fbclid=IwAR2UuTRT4Xuv69BjYWtISY5osr4OFmU7OH4P3quEluCB2xKuDOldf9e8ORg

Hope it works out for them , but I don't want to be a part of that.

I get it. Tours are not being insured and that puts bands and crews in a rough spot. I'd have been happy to pay for a live release or an album of covers or jams or something.

Fish has decided to risk it by going on tour with no insurance and record the first gig which he would later release if gigs if they have to cancel any gigs.

Makes you begin to wonder if bands could unite and form their own group insurance.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on October 29, 2021, 09:58:06 AM
So the download of the first new track, Be Hard On Yourself, is now available for anyone who pre-ordered (I did not, so I can't say what it's like, but generally seeing positive reactions from the Marrillion online-o-sphere). Apparently just have to go to the pre-order site and there should be a link in your account to download it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on October 29, 2021, 10:29:14 AM
So the download of the first new track, Be Hard On Yourself, is now available for anyone who pre-ordered (I did not, so I can't say what it's like, but generally seeing positive reactions from the Marrillion online-o-sphere). Apparently just have to go to the pre-order site and there should be a link in your account to download it.


Any way of hearing it without the pre-order? I'm on the fence on that part. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on October 29, 2021, 10:33:40 AM
So the download of the first new track, Be Hard On Yourself, is now available for anyone who pre-ordered (I did not, so I can't say what it's like, but generally seeing positive reactions from the Marrillion online-o-sphere). Apparently just have to go to the pre-order site and there should be a link in your account to download it.

Thanks for the heads up, just downloaded the new song (which is split into 3 parts). At 9:27 long, it's a hefty piece and has a lot of signature modern Marillion elements bit as a whole it caught me off guard a bit. Definitely an exciting song and it has me curious/ready for the whole album, whenever it'll come out.

Any way of hearing it without the pre-order? I'm on the fence on that part. 

I believe the track is only available for download for those who preorder through the band's website.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on October 29, 2021, 10:36:41 AM
I was going to preorder, and the cheapest to ship Vinyl = $32

$32 just to ship it?..I love these guys, but i am going to likely wait.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on October 29, 2021, 10:52:22 AM
I was going to preorder, and the cheapest to ship Vinyl = $32

$32 just to ship it?..I love these guys, but i am going to likely wait.

Yeah, the shipping alone made pre-ordering in the US a non-starter. Just the CD alone was $10.00 shipping, and you only got your name in the credits for the big expensive bundles. I am curious about this song, but It's also a good chunk of the album, so maybe I'll just wait.


Thanks for the heads up, just downloaded the new song (which is split into 3 parts). At 9:27 long, it's a hefty piece and has a lot of signature modern Marillion elements bit as a whole it caught me off guard a bit. Definitely an exciting song and it has me curious/ready for the whole album, whenever it'll come out.


Not loving that they've split an epic into multiple tracks again. Are the parts more or less distinct pieces that you might want to listen to on their own at least?

The cynical part of me figures the song will make its way to YouTube eventually. It's not like I'm not going to buy the album, so I may check it out whenever it gets there.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on October 29, 2021, 11:06:30 AM
I just don't do CDs anymore, don't even have a player plugged in. All my listening is streaming, so if it isn't signed or something, I'll just support the band through merch and wait for the stream of it. I have heard good things across the board about the new track though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on October 29, 2021, 10:20:24 PM
So the download of the first new track, Be Hard On Yourself, is now available for anyone who pre-ordered (I did not, so I can't say what it's like, but generally seeing positive reactions from the Marrillion online-o-sphere). Apparently just have to go to the pre-order site and there should be a link in your account to download it.


Any way of hearing it without the pre-order? I'm on the fence on that part.

Saw where Lucy mentioned on Facebook that it is getting released to streaming services sometime in November. I think 11/18 but not sure if that's official.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 31, 2021, 06:10:16 PM
I can't wait for those two live Rothery Band albums that should be shipping in about a week.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on November 03, 2021, 06:05:52 AM
Anyone know why the Marillion forum has been down all week? Or is it just me and everyone else is fine?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Fritzinger on November 03, 2021, 06:33:22 AM
I pre-ordered the signed vinyl version, will my name be in the booklet?   ???
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 03, 2021, 07:04:10 AM
Anyone know why the Marillion forum has been down all week? Or is it just me and everyone else is fine?

The official word from Lucy on Facebook: “There seems to be a problem with it. We are looking into it.”
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on November 03, 2021, 07:27:48 AM
I pre-ordered the signed vinyl version, will my name be in the booklet?   ???

Only if you ordered before the deadline (which I believe was Sept 30th, and only if you placed your order with the specific option to have your name displayed in the album credits.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Fritzinger on November 03, 2021, 07:29:23 AM
I pre-ordered the signed vinyl version, will my name be in the booklet?   ???

Only if you ordered before the deadline (which I believe was Sept 30th, and only if you placed your order with the specific option to have your name displayed in the album credits.

-Marc.

I did order it before the deadline (actually ON 30/9), but I didn't see that "specific option". Did that cost any extra money?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on November 03, 2021, 07:30:52 AM
Shit, forgot about the name thing. I just pre-ordered them a few minutes ago.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 03, 2021, 07:37:14 AM
I pre-ordered the signed vinyl version, will my name be in the booklet?   ???

Only if you ordered before the deadline (which I believe was Sept 30th, and only if you placed your order with the specific option to have your name displayed in the album credits.

-Marc.

I did order it before the deadline (actually ON 30/9), but I didn't see that "specific option". Did that cost any extra money?

I believe it was only the people who ordered the deluxe package that got their name in the credits.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on November 03, 2021, 08:05:39 AM
I pre-ordered the signed vinyl version, will my name be in the booklet?   ???

Only if you ordered before the deadline (which I believe was Sept 30th, and only if you placed your order with the specific option to have your name displayed in the album credits.

-Marc.

I did order it before the deadline (actually ON 30/9), but I didn't see that "specific option". Did that cost any extra money?

I believe it was only the people who ordered the deluxe package that got their name in the credits.

Looking back at my email from Sept 8 of my order, I did indeed order the CD/DVD Deluxe (Signed) with Personalization (name included in credits). If your order email doesn't list it as Deluxe or show your Personalization option, you didn't order it with that option (which did cost more of course).

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 04, 2021, 06:14:31 AM
Super short teaser with what I assume to be the cover art:

https://twitter.com/marilliononline/status/1456227051007000581?s=21

I like the sound of that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: DTA on November 04, 2021, 07:01:09 AM
Yep, that sounds like modern Marillion. The groove reminds me a bit of The Man From The Planet Marzipan.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on November 19, 2021, 06:14:12 AM
https://www.loudersound.com/news/marillion-release-full-details-of-upbeat-new-album-an-hour-before-its-dark

Looks like the new album will be due out on March 4th, not long after my birthday!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 19, 2021, 06:24:55 AM
https://www.loudersound.com/news/marillion-release-full-details-of-upbeat-new-album-an-hour-before-its-dark

Looks like the new album will be due out on March 4th, not long after my birthday!

-Marc.

The track list includes one new track that wasn’t mentioned before. I think I heard somewhere there might be an additional track. I wonder if they just snipped a section from one of the longer songs or if it was some additional music they had that they decided to include during mixing.

Kind of glad this is in March so it won’t come out too close to Big Big Train’s new album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on November 19, 2021, 06:43:42 AM
https://www.loudersound.com/news/marillion-release-full-details-of-upbeat-new-album-an-hour-before-its-dark

Looks like the new album will be due out on March 4th, not long after my birthday!

-Marc.

The track list includes one new track that wasn’t mentioned before. I think I heard somewhere there might be an additional track. I wonder if they just snipped a section from one of the longer songs or if it was some additional music they had that they decided to include during mixing.

Kind of glad this is in March so it won’t come out too close to Big Big Train’s new album.

But it'll also be coming out close to the new Flower Kings album. So much new music in the first three months of next year already between BBT, TFK, Marillion and Star One.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 19, 2021, 08:12:19 AM
They’ve made the fist track Be Hard on Yourself available for streaming for everyone now:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v4VfrnTvm9Y&fbclid=IwAR3hzR9U8yzir3cg2fDfENmizxviTaK4lIjhsJiUbB8BH5SerNCi24QyC-c
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 19, 2021, 08:18:35 AM
:)  :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on November 19, 2021, 08:23:06 AM
March 2022? That's a long wait.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on November 19, 2021, 08:25:12 AM
Songs on the new album:
1. Be Hard On Yourself 
2. Murder Machines
3. Reprogram the Gene
4. The Crow and the Nightingale
5. Sierra Leone
6. Care

Read more here - https://www.loudersound.com/news/marillion-reveal-song-titles-for-new-album-an-hour-before-its-dark

-Marc.

Here's the updated tracklist:

1. Be Hard On Yourself
     i. The Tear In The Big Picture
     ii. Lust For Luxury
     iii. You Can Learn
2. Reprogram The Gene
     i. Invincible
     ii. Trouble-Free Life
     iii. A Cure For Us
3. Only A Kiss (Instrumental)
4. Murder Machines
5. The Crow And The Nightingale
6. Sierra Leone
     i. Chance In A Million
     ii. The White Sand
     iii. The Diamond
     iv. The Blue Warm Air
     v. More Than A Treasure
7. Care
     i. Maintenance Drugs
     ii. An Hour Before It’s Dark
     iii. Every Call
     iv. Angels On Earth

Looks like they added an instrumental track and shuffled the running order a bit.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: T-ski on November 19, 2021, 08:28:02 AM
Just listened to “Be Hard on Yourself”.

I get Hogarth writes his lyrics a certain way, but the flow just doesn’t work for me on this track. They are also kind of too obvious for H as well.

The music is great though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 19, 2021, 08:34:23 AM
Man, I hate that the tracks are broken up on Amazon/Spotify (and I assume will be on the CD as well). The break points are not good and it really messes with the flow of the song. Trying the youtube version now instead.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on November 19, 2021, 08:40:39 AM
Man, I hate that the tracks are broken up on Amazon/Spotify (and I assume will be on the CD as well). The break points are not good and it really messes with the flow of the song. Trying the youtube version now instead.

When the song was first available to download for those who pre-ordered, it was broken up into 3 tracks, but I later saw that they updated the download so the song was in one track and not three, so I wonder how it'll be presented on the CD album. I assume with the 7 songs will be presented as 18 tracks, which is a bit annoying, but given that's how FEAR was released, I don't expect anything different this time.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 19, 2021, 08:47:52 AM
I think there are a lot of good things going on in the track, but it will probably take a few more listens to set in. I knew all about the lyrics already, and they are a bit stiff and clunky but I think that's something that will be helped by familiarity. H sounds weathered, but it works on a track like this I think. The overall sound is nice. Similar to recent releases, but a bit warmer and almost analog-like if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on November 19, 2021, 11:18:08 AM
Man, I hate that the tracks are broken up on Amazon/Spotify (and I assume will be on the CD as well). The break points are not good and it really messes with the flow of the song. Trying the youtube version now instead.

When the song was first available to download for those who pre-ordered, it was broken up into 3 tracks, but I later saw that they updated the download so the song was in one track and not three, so I wonder how it'll be presented on the CD album. I assume with the 7 songs will be presented as 18 tracks, which is a bit annoying, but given that's how FEAR was released, I don't expect anything different this time.

-Marc.

A big reason that I don’t revisit FEAR more often is because I listen to music at work and I have gravitated more towards the shuffle feature. The tracks being split up the way they are just doesn’t work for my listening habits lately. I really hate that they split the album tracks up that way
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 19, 2021, 11:22:50 AM
Man, I hate that the tracks are broken up on Amazon/Spotify (and I assume will be on the CD as well). The break points are not good and it really messes with the flow of the song. Trying the youtube version now instead.

When the song was first available to download for those who pre-ordered, it was broken up into 3 tracks, but I later saw that they updated the download so the song was in one track and not three, so I wonder how it'll be presented on the CD album. I assume with the 7 songs will be presented as 18 tracks, which is a bit annoying, but given that's how FEAR was released, I don't expect anything different this time.

-Marc.

A big reason that I don’t revisit FEAR more often is because I listen to music at work and I have gravitated more towards the shuffle feature. The tracks being split up the way they are just doesn’t work for my listening habits lately. I really hate that they split the album tracks up that way

I was able to join the tracks when I ripped them back then because I had iTunes. My current computer does not and I really don’t want to add it just so I can do that again (not even sure if it still has that function). Anyone know of another free program that will join tracks?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on November 19, 2021, 07:27:43 PM
Man, I hate that the tracks are broken up on Amazon/Spotify (and I assume will be on the CD as well). The break points are not good and it really messes with the flow of the song. Trying the youtube version now instead.

When the song was first available to download for those who pre-ordered, it was broken up into 3 tracks, but I later saw that they updated the download so the song was in one track and not three, so I wonder how it'll be presented on the CD album. I assume with the 7 songs will be presented as 18 tracks, which is a bit annoying, but given that's how FEAR was released, I don't expect anything different this time.

-Marc.

A big reason that I don’t revisit FEAR more often is because I listen to music at work and I have gravitated more towards the shuffle feature. The tracks being split up the way they are just doesn’t work for my listening habits lately. I really hate that they split the album tracks up that way
I just took the FLAC files I ripped from the CD and merged them together in Audacity. I can't stand how they are breaking up the longer songs either. Wish they would stop doing that, they never used to...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 22, 2021, 09:36:53 PM
Marillion are live streaming their 11/27 concert. A bit on the pricey side but some here might be interested.

https://fb.watch/9saaqrGXzm/

(Link plays the new song if you're trying to avoid hearing stuff until the album comes out)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on November 23, 2021, 02:29:38 AM
I'm trying to get there early to get to the front - if anyone's live-streaming it, look out for the overweight bald guy - that's me! You won't miss me, I'll be in a sea of overweight bald guys...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 23, 2021, 07:12:26 AM
I'm trying to get there early to get to the front - if anyone's live-streaming it, look out for the overweight bald guy - that's me! You won't miss me, I'll be in a sea of overweight bald guys...

Ha! A Marillion concert sounds like a good place for bald guys to blend in!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 30, 2021, 10:33:56 PM
Clip from the live streamed concert the other night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU8i-NU0gCk

Can still purchase and stream the full concert through December 3rd:

http://marillionvod.uscreen.io/
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on December 03, 2021, 08:06:35 AM
Some people might be interested in this new track from Rick Armstrong (son of Neil Armstrong, big Marillion fan, played on the last two Edison’s Children albums) which opens with a nice atmospheric guitar solo by Steve Rothery:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BC6dHqvP7S8&fbclid=IwAR05GjgBp2bQ4Q6qSSV0lmuN36DOSbqoAZWzIsdgbCyKBL80feaGcVyrkxw

Wanders off a bit into space noodling after that, but still an interesting track.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 18, 2021, 08:41:21 PM
Marillion are live streaming their 11/27 concert. A bit on the pricey side but some here might be interested.

https://fb.watch/9saaqrGXzm/

(Link plays the new song if you're trying to avoid hearing stuff until the album comes out)

Great show. Watched it about four or five times that week. 
And the Rothery live set is freaking brilliant. Can't get enough of it. Really wish he'd bring it to the US one day.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 18, 2021, 08:44:25 PM
Some people might be interested in this new track from Rick Armstrong (son of Neil Armstrong, big Marillion fan, played on the last two Edison’s Children albums) which opens with a nice atmospheric guitar solo by Steve Rothery:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BC6dHqvP7S8&fbclid=IwAR05GjgBp2bQ4Q6qSSV0lmuN36DOSbqoAZWzIsdgbCyKBL80feaGcVyrkxw

Wanders off a bit into space noodling after that, but still an interesting track.

I may be getting this one. Been thinking about it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 18, 2021, 08:46:06 PM
I'm trying to get there early to get to the front - if anyone's live-streaming it, look out for the overweight bald guy - that's me! You won't miss me, I'll be in a sea of overweight bald guys...

You must have had a blast. That was a great show.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on December 22, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
So.........  I've purchased all the (Fish era) recent deluxe sets, the "book" form with 3, 4 disks and a blu-ray, but I haven't had a chance to listen to all of them.  I hadn't really paid attention; I know that (generally) there is a remix to stereo prior to the 5.1 remix, and usually they get tacked on on the blu-ray, or something like that.  I had listened to the Script one, and the remix was nothing "new".  The most recent I purchased was the Fugazi one, and I just received that about a week ago, so I listened to that, and the remix was nothing new (though the ending to Fugazi seemed to be something I hadn't recognized before).    Misplaced, famously, doesn't have the new mix, because I guess Steven Wilson refused to let his out since he thought the original mix was so perfect (or something).

But I finally got around to listening to the Clutching At Straws version.  Now, this is by far my favorite Marillion album, and one of my very favorite albums of all time.  It's literally the perfect record for me. I skip NOTHING on this record, and honestly, the ONLY criticism I have is that the guy that says "My advice to you is, ..." sounds like he's reading the lines off a card where the printing is too small.  Other than that, the playing, the writing, the singing, the lyrics, the SOUND, are all incredible.   LOVE it.

So the remix was done by longtime colleague Avril MacIntosh (who worked on the original and still works with Fish) and.. someone else I can't remember.   And I hate it.  I rarely care about remixes or remasters, except when they change something.  And here, they changed something.  The music is largely the same but Fish is mixed differently, and his vocals are more... dry than the original, and that sucks.  Marillion, to me, is not the Rolling Stones.  They aren't gritty, dirty, dry sounding rock.  They are lush, they are bountiful, and they are full.  The Chris Kimsey production is PERFECT for that band, and I love that music so much.  The remix ruins that for me.  It's not like every song is totally different, but I know that record top to bottom, side to side, and the difference is enough to make me want to go to the original and listen to that.  Not the end of the world, since I have the original, but it was a bummer to hear that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on December 22, 2021, 01:08:21 PM
It's funny that you mentioned the Stones, because Chris Kimsey was their producer around that time.  Marillion tried getting him for Holidays in Eden, but he couldn't because he was working with the Stones at the time.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on December 22, 2021, 01:11:56 PM
I like the Clutching re-mix, though I never thought there was anything wrong with the original. The biggest difference for me is the drums, which they mixed more dryly than the original. That did take some getting used to. I thought the guitar maybe had a bit more edge in the remix, which I like. The only time I thought Fish sounded different is on the outro to Incommunicado. Some fans swore that must be someone other than Fish it sounds so different.

I haven’t gone back to the original since I got the remix actually. But maybe I should just to compare. I haven’t heard either of the Script or Fugazi remixes, but those were supposed to be the most different from what I’ve read.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on December 22, 2021, 01:14:20 PM
I noticed quite a bit that was different as well. And even though it’s my favorite Marillion album, I don’t think I have the long history with it that you do, Stadler. So I’m still up in the air about what to think of it.

I think there’s even an extra guitar solo in Going Under that wasn’t there before. And the ending of The Last Straw sounded like a different vocal take completely.

I have to go back and listen to it again to make sure that I’m remembering where the changes were.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on December 22, 2021, 01:18:48 PM
I noticed quite a bit that was different as well. And even though it’s my favorite Marillion album, I don’t think I have the long history with it that you do, Stadler. So I’m still up in the air about what to think of it.

I think there’s even an extra guitar solo in Going Under that wasn’t there before. And the ending of The Last Straw sounded like a different vocal take completely.

I have to go back and listen to it again to make sure that I’m remembering where the changes were.

Yes, there is an added guitar solo in Going Under (which I love BTW). No idea why that was dropped on the original record, but there was a version of Going Under with the guitar solo on the previous remaster bonus disc, so it was something that was around already but just wasn't on the original album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on December 23, 2021, 07:56:44 AM
I noticed quite a bit that was different as well. And even though it’s my favorite Marillion album, I don’t think I have the long history with it that you do, Stadler. So I’m still up in the air about what to think of it.

I think there’s even an extra guitar solo in Going Under that wasn’t there before. And the ending of The Last Straw sounded like a different vocal take completely.

I have to go back and listen to it again to make sure that I’m remembering where the changes were.

I was in the car, so I couldn't make notes, but there are a couple places where I was (am) convinced that the vocal is an entirely different take as well.   I will say this; if that's the case, then kudos to Fish, because while his voice has given him problems over the years (and I doubt he could sing the Marillion catalogue as he did in the '80s) he was remarkably consistent back in the day, even WITH all the extracurriculars.

Romdrums, you're right!  Kimsey did work with the Stones (he did that Emotional Rescue --> Undercover run, if memory serves, and I LOVE those records).   I'd really have liked him to be on Holidays; again, I'm not one to usually critique "production", but that's one of the few albums that I think really could benefit from a re-recording.  The songs sound so much better live, at least some of them do (some of the songs are unsalvagable; that record is Hogarth at his navel-gazing worst, IMO). 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on December 23, 2021, 08:33:04 AM
I noticed quite a bit that was different as well. And even though it’s my favorite Marillion album, I don’t think I have the long history with it that you do, Stadler. So I’m still up in the air about what to think of it.

I think there’s even an extra guitar solo in Going Under that wasn’t there before. And the ending of The Last Straw sounded like a different vocal take completely.

I have to go back and listen to it again to make sure that I’m remembering where the changes were.

I was in the car, so I couldn't make notes, but there are a couple places where I was (am) convinced that the vocal is an entirely different take as well.   I will say this; if that's the case, then kudos to Fish, because while his voice has given him problems over the years (and I doubt he could sing the Marillion catalogue as he did in the '80s) he was remarkably consistent back in the day, even WITH all the extracurriculars.

Romdrums, you're right!  Kimsey did work with the Stones (he did that Emotional Rescue --> Undercover run, if memory serves, and I LOVE those records).   I'd really have liked him to be on Holidays; again, I'm not one to usually critique "production", but that's one of the few albums that I think really could benefit from a re-recording.  The songs sound so much better live, at least some of them do (some of the songs are unsalvagable; that record is Hogarth at his navel-gazing worst, IMO).

Holidays in Eden is the next one set to be re-issued with a remix, and supposedly the mix is a bit rockier (I’d have to go back to the podcast where H talked about it, but I’ve seen that repeated on the Marillion forum).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on January 30, 2022, 08:28:02 PM
Songs on the new album:
1. Be Hard On Yourself 
2. Murder Machines
3. Reprogram the Gene
4. The Crow and the Nightingale
5. Sierra Leone
6. Care

Read more here - https://www.loudersound.com/news/marillion-reveal-song-titles-for-new-album-an-hour-before-its-dark

-Marc.

Here's the updated tracklist:

1. Be Hard On Yourself (9:27)
     i. The Tear In The Big Picture (3:52)
     ii. Lust For Luxury (2:07)
     iii. You Can Learn (3:28)
2. Reprogram The Gene (7:02)
     i. Invincible (3:32)
     ii. Trouble-Free Life (2:01)
     iii. A Cure For Us (1:29)
3. Only A Kiss (Instrumental) (0:39)
4. Murder Machines (4:21)
5. The Crow And The Nightingale (6:35)
6. Sierra Leone (10:55)
     i. Chance In A Million (1:33)
     ii. The White Sand (0:53)
     iii. The Diamond (3:30)
     iv. The Blue Warm Air (2:24)
     v. More Than A Treasure (2:35)
7. Care (15:20)
     i. Maintenance Drugs (4:37)
     ii. An Hour Before It’s Dark (2:28)
     iii. Every Call (3:19)
     iv. Angels On Earth (4:56)

Looks like they added an instrumental track and shuffled the running order a bit.

-Marc.

I never saw the track lengths posted in here so I've updated the above post with the track times and total song lengths. The album is roughly 54:19 long, so not even an hour long, and their shortest album since 2008's Happiness Is The Road, Volume 2: The Hard Shoulder (which was 52 minutes long). For as long as Marillion works on an album, I was kind of hoping for at least 60-65 minutes of new music, especially since it has been over 5 years since FEAR, but ah well. I'm excited to hear what they've got since I was never fully wowed by FEAR.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on January 30, 2022, 08:31:46 PM
If they split all those parts into individual tracks like they did with FEAR, I’m gonna be ticked!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on January 30, 2022, 08:40:32 PM
Not super excited about the prospect of the long tracks being split up again. Will have to find a way to combine them. Anyone have any ideas for programs other than iTunes that will do this?

Next single, Murder Machines, drops on Friday. It’s supposed to be an edited version, which is odd if the album version is only 4:21 long.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ProfessorPeart on January 30, 2022, 08:49:57 PM
I use iTunes to merge tracks from a CD, but for digital tracks that I need to merge I use this:

https://github.com/mifi/lossless-cut

It's free. Takes a little learning, but I absolutely love it. I have merged audio files and video files with it and never had an issue.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on January 30, 2022, 09:05:07 PM
Not super excited about the prospect of the long tracks being split up again. Will have to find a way to combine them. Anyone have any ideas for programs other than iTunes that will do this?

Next single, Murder Machines, drops on Friday. It’s supposed to be an edited version, which is odd if the album version is only 4:21 long.

I think it might have an edited ending since "Murder Machines" and "The Crow And The Nightingale" are both on Side B of the double vinyl, so it's possible they segue into each other. The "edit" might just be removing the segue from the end of the song. It's interesting that Side A closes with 39 second instrumental, though. Sides C and D are the two multi-part songs respectively, but the vinyl's Side D also has the 12" Remix of "Murder Machines" tacked on at the end as well (though I do not see it as part of the CD tracklist).

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on January 30, 2022, 09:33:34 PM
Not super excited about the prospect of the long tracks being split up again. Will have to find a way to combine them. Anyone have any ideas for programs other than iTunes that will do this?

Next single, Murder Machines, drops on Friday. It’s supposed to be an edited version, which is odd if the album version is only 4:21 long.
I always use Audacity to edit audio files.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ProfessorPeart on January 30, 2022, 09:47:48 PM
Not super excited about the prospect of the long tracks being split up again. Will have to find a way to combine them. Anyone have any ideas for programs other than iTunes that will do this?

Next single, Murder Machines, drops on Friday. It’s supposed to be an edited version, which is odd if the album version is only 4:21 long.
I always use Audacity to edit audio files.

I used to until I learned it re-encodes after editing. That's a no-go for me. That's why I always seek out a program that will edit without a re-encode.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on January 30, 2022, 10:16:31 PM
Not super excited about the prospect of the long tracks being split up again. Will have to find a way to combine them. Anyone have any ideas for programs other than iTunes that will do this?

Next single, Murder Machines, drops on Friday. It’s supposed to be an edited version, which is odd if the album version is only 4:21 long.
I always use Audacity to edit audio files.

I used to until I learned it re-encodes after editing. That's a no-go for me. That's why I always seek out a program that will edit without a re-encode.
I've never had a problem with it. I'm always editing FLAC files and just export any edited files as 24bit FLAC.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on January 31, 2022, 08:14:54 AM
Mark Kelly was on the Between You and Me podcast, and he went into a little bit about the new album (lots of focus on his new autobiography as well of course, and a bit about his solo album). He confirmed that the longer tracks are split up to maximize income from streaming. He also explained that the short little instrumental “only a kiss” is just a piano intro to Murder Machines. Sounds like the song Care is the one that has the band and everyone who’s heard the album jazzed up, though Kelly said The Crow and the Nightengale is his favorite (saw an interview where Rothery said the same actually).

It’s a fun interview with some insight on relationships in the band, their working process, etc.

https://shows.acast.com/between-you-and-me/episodes/marillions-mark-kelly-interviewed
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on January 31, 2022, 08:43:44 AM
Mark Kelly was on the Between You and Me podcast, and he went into a little bit about the new album (lots of focus on his new autobiography as well of course, and a bit about his solo album). He confirmed that the longer tracks are split up to maximize income from streaming. He also explained that the short little instrumental “only a kiss” is just a piano intro to Murder Machines. Sounds like the song Care is the one that has the band and everyone who’s heard the album jazzed up, though Kelly said The Crow and the Nightengale is his favorite (saw an interview where Rothery said the same actually).

It’s a fun interview with some insight on relationships in the band, their working process, etc.

https://shows.acast.com/between-you-and-me/episodes/marillions-mark-kelly-interviewed

I did think "Only A Kiss" could be an intro piece for "Murder Machines" but the site I saw with a vinyl tracklisting had it at the end of Side A, though that might be incorrect. It definitely makes more sense to be on Side B with MM and TCATN for 11:35 of music total.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 31, 2022, 09:26:28 AM
Not super excited about the prospect of the long tracks being split up again. Will have to find a way to combine them. Anyone have any ideas for programs other than iTunes that will do this?

Next single, Murder Machines, drops on Friday. It’s supposed to be an edited version, which is odd if the album version is only 4:21 long.
I always use Audacity to edit audio files.

I used to until I learned it re-encodes after editing. That's a no-go for me. That's why I always seek out a program that will edit without a re-encode.

What does that mean, precisely?

I use Garageband to edit and then export lossless.  Does that "re-encode" too? Is that bad?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on January 31, 2022, 09:29:37 AM
Mark Kelly was on the Between You and Me podcast, and he went into a little bit about the new album (lots of focus on his new autobiography as well of course, and a bit about his solo album). He confirmed that the longer tracks are split up to maximize income from streaming. He also explained that the short little instrumental “only a kiss” is just a piano intro to Murder Machines. Sounds like the song Care is the one that has the band and everyone who’s heard the album jazzed up, though Kelly said The Crow and the Nightengale is his favorite (saw an interview where Rothery said the same actually).

It’s a fun interview with some insight on relationships in the band, their working process, etc.

https://shows.acast.com/between-you-and-me/episodes/marillions-mark-kelly-interviewed

And the more things change, the more they stay the same.   Black Sabbath used to do something similar with their albums.

War Pigs is actually "War Pigs/Luke's Wall". 
After Forever is actually "The Elegy/After Forever"

There are a ton more (about half of both Master Of Reality and Paranoid, for example).  I remember Geezer saying it was about the publishing.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on January 31, 2022, 09:41:08 AM
Mark Kelly was on the Between You and Me podcast, and he went into a little bit about the new album (lots of focus on his new autobiography as well of course, and a bit about his solo album). He confirmed that the longer tracks are split up to maximize income from streaming. He also explained that the short little instrumental “only a kiss” is just a piano intro to Murder Machines. Sounds like the song Care is the one that has the band and everyone who’s heard the album jazzed up, though Kelly said The Crow and the Nightengale is his favorite (saw an interview where Rothery said the same actually).

It’s a fun interview with some insight on relationships in the band, their working process, etc.

https://shows.acast.com/between-you-and-me/episodes/marillions-mark-kelly-interviewed

And the more things change, the more they stay the same.   Black Sabbath used to do something similar with their albums.

War Pigs is actually "War Pigs/Luke's Wall". 
After Forever is actually "The Elegy/After Forever"

There are a ton more (about half of both Master Of Reality and Paranoid, for example).  I remember Geezer saying it was about the publishing.

Yeah, Genesis did that with Unquiet Slumbers for the Sleepers/In That Quiet Earth to get Hackett another individual writing credit on the album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on February 03, 2022, 03:42:11 PM
Apparently the band have moved up the time on the release for Murder Machines. Premiers in approximately 19 minutes!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GN3FqaiOACw
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on February 03, 2022, 03:53:15 PM
Apparently the band have moved up the time on the release for Murder Machines. Premiers in approximately 19 minutes!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GN3FqaiOACw

Oh wow, and hour earlier then expected! Sadly I'll be on the road shortly but I'll definitely check this out when I get home!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on February 03, 2022, 04:19:11 PM
The song sounds pretty good. Kind of a cross between Power and Living in FEAR musically. Lyrics are very pandemic centered but it’s supposed to also be some sort of metaphors for broken relationships. A lot of Rothery on the track which is nice. Supposedly he is pretty prominent on the album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on February 04, 2022, 07:36:40 PM
Album trailer:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2IkXFx9LJDQ

Hearing some pretty cool things there.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 04, 2022, 08:09:04 PM
I dodged the $27 shipping charge for the Vinyl by ordering it on Amazon.

Ordered the CD from the band which only added a massive $5.50 to ship.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: UndercoverMyung on February 04, 2022, 09:14:01 PM
What are the chances of these guys doing another US tour sometime? Would love to see them...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 04, 2022, 10:57:45 PM
The Montreal Weekend is scheduled for July, so who knows...

otherwise, if they end up on Cruise to the Edge in 2023?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 25, 2022, 05:42:51 PM
I had a good chat with Steve Rothery about the new album today.  The Crow and the Nightingale and Repogram the Gene are my favorites off the new album. Honestly,  I still have somewhat of a hard time to embrace their recent output,  but the repeated listens of the new one to prepare for this interview paíd off, and I love it!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on February 25, 2022, 06:50:59 PM
I had a good chat with Steve Rothery about the new album today.  The Crow and the Nightingale and Repogram the Gene are my favorites off the new album. Honestly,  I still have somewhat of a hard time to embrace their recent output,  but the repeated listens of the new one to prepare for this interview paíd off, and I love it!

Very nice! I've been looking forward to this one since FEAR wasn't quite what I expected, especially since I *love* STCBM, so I'm hoping for something along those lines. Cannot wait to get my copy of the album from the band!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on February 28, 2022, 04:40:30 AM
What are the chances of these guys doing another US tour sometime? Would love to see them...

It's very difficult for bands to tour the US unless they have the machinery of a large record company behind them. It's an incredibly difficult country to get work visas for, and your tax codes don't help either. It's one of the reasons the band play Canada and Central/South America so often, because it's far easier for US fans to get to those places than it is for the band to get into the US (where they do tend to play to quite small audiences). None of this is Marillion's fault - those guys love playing live and want to play everywhere - it's just sometimes politics and commercial factors conspire to make it difficult for them to do so. They've struggled to break even on recent US tours, unfortunately.  :'(
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on February 28, 2022, 06:23:44 AM
I wasn't sure how I'd be for this album but it turns out I'm really excited about it now we're into the week of release.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on March 03, 2022, 08:14:51 AM
If you pre-ordered directly from the band, you can now download the album, and thankfully all the songs are grouped together so it's just 7 tracks and not 18.

Early impressions- I like it more than FEAR (though i never really gave that one much thought after year of release), and maybe even a bit more than STCBM, but not too sure on that yet. Definitely a very strong album overall, probably one of their best.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on March 03, 2022, 08:29:37 AM
Just downloaded it from Townsend and shit. Loving this album. Surprisingly better than Fear, but not sure about being better than Sounds or Marble. An Hour sounds like a more constructed version of Fear, which it is not necessarily bad. But sometimes Fear drags a bit on some sections. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on March 03, 2022, 08:59:12 AM
Just downloaded it from Townsend and shit. Loving this album. Surprisingly better than Fear, but not sure about being better than Sounds or Marble. An Hour sounds like a more constructed version of Fear, which it is not necessarily bad. But sometimes Fear drags a bit on some sections.

Yeah, I can agree to that - FEAR sometimes feels a bit bloated. I just gave it a spin before listening to AHBID again, and it wasn't a chore to get through, but I did feel like some parts did overstay their welcome a bit. I think I like FEAR a bit more than I used to at this point. Honestly, the run of Happiness-Sounds-FEAR-AHBID is pretty strong, one of the band's strongest (if we don't count Less Is More or With Friends From The Orchestra since they're mostly re-recordings of older songs). Actually, their only "weak" album of the 21st century has been Somewhere Else, at least in my opinion, even though that album has a few strong tracks.

I think if you asked me to choose between H's first 7 albums with Marillion (Seasons End to marillion.com) and his latter 7, I'd pick the latter (Anoraknophobia to AHBID). The band have only gotten better with age, IMO, and I'd say this newest album proves that.

EDIT - Out of curiosity, would there be enough Marillion fans here that would be interested in participating in a Marillion Survivor? I ran one WAY back in 2011, and there have been a few albums since then (Happiness was the newest one at the time). (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=20558.0) If there's enough interested (say, at least a dozen fans) and willingness to participate, I might do it, but it would have to wait until my current Dream Theater Survivor is done (which probably won't be til at least May at this rate).

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on March 03, 2022, 09:12:42 AM
Just downloaded it from Townsend and shit. Loving this album. Surprisingly better than Fear, but not sure about being better than Sounds or Marble. An Hour sounds like a more constructed version of Fear, which it is not necessarily bad. But sometimes Fear drags a bit on some sections.



I think if you asked me to choose between H's first 7 albums with Marillion (Seasons End to marillion.com) and his latter 7, I'd pick the latter (Anoraknophobia to AHBID). The band have only gotten better with age, IMO, and I'd say this newest album proves that.



-Marc.

My feelings exactly. But Somewhere Else has the title track which is probably one of Hogarth's most emotional tracks ever. That buildup towards the last couple of minutes is just eargasmic!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on March 03, 2022, 09:54:06 AM
I've given it about 2 listenings...and while I enjoy many moments on it, I'm not sure about it overall, at least yet.

My initial impressions is it's very much like FEAR Part 2.

And while I do enjoy FEAR and found I liked it more overall than Sounds, I never grew addicted to FEAR sadly. Why when people were saying FEAR was their best record since Marbles or even Brave, I only followed that to a point.

But TIME often tells really how I feel about a record, and sadly, I haven't gone back to FEAR nearly as much as I would have expected. Maybe that's more a product of what I wish to listen to, and other things are more worth my time.

That all being said, I'm certainly going to give the band enough confidence to see if AHBID really clicks with me more.

The highlights for me for now are  Be Hard on Yourself and Sierra Leone.

Care the closing piece has moments certainly...but I would say the same about Gaza or even El Dorado, which are at best as mood pieces I guess, to gradually get to the cool sections.

Another thing is just from memory, I recall 1 or 2 of the members talking in interviews how this record compared to FEAR was more upbeat or at least catchy/energetic. I'm not fully sure how that is. Maybe slightly more energetic I guess. But it seems pretty clear with this record and FEAR and even really since MARBLES, the band has leaned towards writing music with their WALL-OF-SOUND and not emphasizing the melodies as much. Especially much if anything really poppy, which maybe many fans don't care for, but personally, if you have a catchy melody or chorus to include in a song, I'm totally up for that.

But as far as reviews and reactions, rateyourmusic.com for example was giving AHBID heaps of praise. The average rating yesterday was 4.3 out of 5 stars which is massive. I hardly expect it to retain that, but I wonder where that number will be in like a week or 2 once more of the fans have heard it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 03, 2022, 10:33:37 AM
I read all this, and my FOMO kicks in and I want to be part of it... but honestly, I'm not sure I could sing you one song since Marbles. Wait; "Most Toys".  I can hum that.  But in general, I listen, diligently, but nothing seems to grab me.   I saw them on the FEAR tour, and it was excellent, but the highlight of the show was "Neverland". 

I suppose when the dust clears (I have some shows coming up that will drive my listening) I should give Somewhere Else -> AHBID another go.  (Hell, Afraid of Sunlight took YEARS to sink in).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on March 03, 2022, 10:56:09 AM
I read all this, and my FOMO kicks in and I want to be part of it... but honestly, I'm not sure I could sing you one song since Marbles. Wait; "Most Toys".  I can hum that.  But in general, I listen, diligently, but nothing seems to grab me.   I saw them on the FEAR tour, and it was excellent, but the highlight of the show was "Neverland". 

I suppose when the dust clears (I have some shows coming up that will drive my listening) I should give Somewhere Else -> AHBID another go.  (Hell, Afraid of Sunlight took YEARS to sink in).

I get that. When I was first discovering prog over 16-17 years ago, Marillion didn't immediately click for me after Brave. Every album seemed to be out of reach for me, except Marbles, and since Somewhere Else was their newest at the time, I wasn't filled with a lot of eagerness to continue checking them out, but then HITR came out and I was immediately sucked back in.

Since then I've come to appreciate them more and more but if I want to spin Marillion, I really only go for their albums from the 21st century. Their 90s output is a bit hit-or-miss for me, though I will occasionally listen to their first five albums/the 80s stuff if I'm in the mood for it.

Of their albums since SE, I'd say both parts of Happiness Is The Road and Sounds That Can't Be Made are their best, not including the new one (though it certainly is standing up well against those albums, at least for me).

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 03, 2022, 02:39:36 PM
My CD is due for delivery tomorrow.

Had a 4 hour car drive today and decided to listen to all of the Mike Hunter albums in order (not including Less is More or Friends). There really has been quite a profession in sound/style from Somewhere Else to Fear. I like all 4 of the albums, but SE and even Happiness seemed to suffer from some overly harsh production techniques. I think Hunter wanted those albums to sound more live, but it didn’t really benefit the material.

But then once you get to Sounds that Can’t Be Made there’s a huge step up in production values, and I think in general the songs are just a lot stronger than on the previous two albums. I also think H was starting to become more comfortable singing in lower registers and manipulating his voice in different ways to compensate for some loss of range. His voice just sounds so much better on Sounds and on FEAR. He’s kind of learned to use the character of his voice to really accentuate the material.

I loved FEAR when it came out, and listening back to (most of it) just now, I still think it holds up as one of their best. Yes, there are a few passages that drag a bit, but there is so much really strong material. It was definitely an album for it’s time, and scarily it feels like an album for right now as well.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 03, 2022, 07:05:48 PM
Oh, and Marc, I would definitely vote in a Marillion survivor.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on March 03, 2022, 08:14:10 PM
I wish I was familiar enough to participate in a survivor.

The albums that I’m very familiar with and I still listen to on regular rotation are:

All the Fish-era
Anoraknophobia
Marbles

I also own, and know a bit, but would have to brush up on:

Season’s End
Brave
This Strange Engine

I also own Radiation and I played it a lot when it came out and I ran a CD shop. But haven’t spun it in probably 10 years. Also own Somewhere Else which I didn’t care for, and FEAR which I spun a few times when it was first released and it never grabbed me.

I’ve never owned or heard any of the other post-SE albums that everyone seems to rave about. And I’ve heard only a handful of tracks from Holidays, AOS, and dot com, but don’t own them either.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 03, 2022, 08:36:47 PM
Afraid of Sunlight is so good. You really need to give that one a go (and just push past Cannibal Surf Babe if it’s too weird).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on March 03, 2022, 09:43:32 PM
Afraid of Sunlight is so good. You really need to give that one a go (and just push past Cannibal Surf Babe if it’s too weird).
You know, I actually enjoy Cannibal Surf Babe quite a bit. It is definitely quirky and totally out of left field, but I think it works.

As to your main point, I think Afraid of Sunlight is a fantastic album. With Marbles being my favorite Marillion album (and my favorite album of all time), I do think AoS is at least in the same league as Marbles. Definitely worth checking out.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 03, 2022, 09:48:26 PM
Afraid of Sunlight is so good. You really need to give that one a go (and just push past Cannibal Surf Babe if it’s too weird).
You know, I actually enjoy Cannibal Surf Babe quite a bit. It is definitely quirky and totally out of left field, but I think it works.

As to your main point, I think Afraid of Sunlight is a fantastic album. With Marbles being my favorite Marillion album (and my favorite album of all time), I do think AoS is at least in the same league as Marbles. Definitely worth checking out.

Oh, I think Cannibal Surf Babe is great fun, but I can see it being a turn off as well. It’s a little out of character musically with the rest of the album, though it certainly fits thematically. It’s kind of necessary though since there isn’t much else in the way of uptempo stuff on the album.

I’ve said before that AOS is probably my favorite Marillion album and maybe my favorite album ever. It’s that good.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on March 03, 2022, 09:52:05 PM
I’ll have to give that one a try.

You know, I was thinking. For as much as I dislike some of their stuff, I never understood the hate for TSE. I get that the middle has some so-so moments. But Man of a Thousand Faces is amazing, as is the title track. I also rather like 80 Days.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 03, 2022, 10:01:48 PM
I’ll have to give that one a try.

You know, I was thinking. For as much as I dislike some of their stuff, I never understood the hate for TSE. I get that the middle has some so-so moments. But Man of a Thousand Faces is amazing, as is the title track. I also rather like 80 Days.

TSE is fine really, just not my favorite. I agree on Man of a Thousand Faces, the title track, and 80 Days (which does get some flack). I also think Estonia is a classic Marillion tune, if a bit overplayed. I like One Fine Day well enough too, and I’m also the rare fan who thinks Hope For The Future was a fun experiment. I do have a fairly strong aversion to An Accidental Man (mostly because the verse melody is straight out of Wrapped Around Your Finger) and I think Memory of Water was just badly executed with that cheap keyboard accompaniment (they finally found a workable arrangement on Less is More). Those two tracks shouldn’t spoil the whole album for me, but for some reason they really drag it down. I think it’s more that apart from the opener and the closer, the songs I do like or more good than great.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Fritzinger on March 04, 2022, 04:17:20 AM
DPD was supposed to deliver it today, which is a pleasant surprise since new releases I order from the UK usually arrive the next Monday. BUT I just gut a mail from DPD saying the mailman didn't encounter me at home...

...WHICH IS NUTS because I have Covid right now and am in quarantine, meaning I couldn't have been anywhere else than at home BY LAW  :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 04, 2022, 06:14:51 AM
Afraid of Sunlight is so good. You really need to give that one a go (and just push past Cannibal Surf Babe if it’s too weird).
You know, I actually enjoy Cannibal Surf Babe quite a bit. It is definitely quirky and totally out of left field, but I think it works.

As to your main point, I think Afraid of Sunlight is a fantastic album. With Marbles being my favorite Marillion album (and my favorite album of all time), I do think AoS is at least in the same league as Marbles. Definitely worth checking out.

Oh, I think Cannibal Surf Babe is great fun, but I can see it being a turn off as well. It’s a little out of character musically with the rest of the album, though it certainly fits thematically. It’s kind of necessary though since there isn’t much else in the way of uptempo stuff on the album.

I’ve said before that AOS is probably my favorite Marillion album and maybe my favorite album ever. It’s that good.

I've written about this before; I LOVED (and still do) Brave.  I didn't get AoS right away. I thought it was another Holidays (which I still don't like), in that it was Hogarth at his worst:  too cute by half and trying to be something he's not.   But I got the 2CD remaster, with the liner notes, and I'm pretty sure there was a documentary somewhere along the way that I heard him talking about it, and I got what they were going for.  It was an homage/pastiche of sorts musically, "Mr. Wilson" was Brian Wilson, and part of the lyric was about understanding - or not - the idea of playing to a particular audience (the world Wilson created, the surfer milieu, was something he couldn't ultimately escape, and when he tried - Pet Sounds - it metaphorically ate him up) and balancing that with the notion of artistic integrity.  Once that happened, it really clicked.  I won't say it's my FAVORITE song, but it's not skippable, and it fits really well with the "perils of celebrity" theme of the rest of the album - including the other pastiche, the Phil Specter inspired "Beyond You".

It's now one of my favorite Marillion albums.  Unfortunately, the next one, This Strange Engine, turned me off Marillion entirely for a number of years (and I still haven't warmed to that record).  Also unfortunately, while I went back and really liked Radiation and Anoraknophobia, and LOVED Marbles, there is too much hit or miss about Marillion starting with TSE.  (For my money, I would love to see another collaboration with Dave Meegan).   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on March 04, 2022, 07:06:31 AM
Afraid of Sunlight is such a fantastic record.  I oscillate between that and Brave as my favorite album of all time.  It came out right after I graduated high school, and I was on a trip through Europe when I found it in a store in Eindhoven, The Netherlands.  I remember listening to it on our way to Antwerp, and being lost in the music.  It has been a quintessential road trip album for me ever since.  I made it a point to listen to it on a family vacation, driving from Las Vegas to the Grand Canyon.  In the remaster liner notes, H mentions that it drifted off somewhere in the direction of Arizona, and he wasn't kidding.  Anyway, I could go on and on about it, but the TL;DR version is that AOS is still perhaps my favorite album by anyone, ever. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 04, 2022, 07:15:27 AM
That's awesome; even if a record doesn't carry that weight with me personally, I love hearing stories about people's "favorite records ever".   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on March 04, 2022, 08:33:07 AM
One of these days I really need to write down my thoughts on Marbles, since it's my favorite album ever, and it's really not close.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 04, 2022, 08:40:39 AM
One of these days I really need to write down my thoughts on Marbles, since it's my favorite album ever, and it's really not close.

Been listening to Marbles a good bit lately. It's definitely worthy of such a ranking. Just in terms of the depth of material and production values, it probably is their best crafted album. Fantastic Place is still probably my favorite Marillion song, and an absolute production masterpiece.

I've said it before, but I struggle with live performances of Marbles because I think Meegan captured the band at their absolute best both sonically and performance wise, and it's just impossible to replicate these songs live. It's been interesting to hear Meegan talk about the recording process on H's podcast, and what they had to do to get some of the performances on that album. He butted heads with Rothery a lot, he almost drove H mad trying to capture the perfect performance of Fantastic Place. He made everyone in the band do a bunch of different takes of Drilling Holes but none of them could be the same, and then he put it all together without the band really knowing what the final product would sound like.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on March 04, 2022, 08:53:59 AM
Seems the new album is the exact same length as my commute home... How convenient.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 04, 2022, 09:05:17 AM
DPD was supposed to deliver it today, which is a pleasant surprise since new releases I order from the UK usually arrive the next Monday. BUT I just gut a mail from DPD saying the mailman didn't encounter me at home...

...WHICH IS NUTS because I have Covid right now and am in quarantine, meaning I couldn't have been anywhere else than at home BY LAW  :lol

Get well soon brother.

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Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 04, 2022, 10:45:02 AM
One of these days I really need to write down my thoughts on Marbles, since it's my favorite album ever, and it's really not close.

And for what it's worth, Clutching At Straws is my No. 3 (I've gone crazy with that damn RankingEngine site since doing my Rush list).   Love that Marillion can have two (or maybe more) albums that are so impactful to people.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 04, 2022, 11:09:16 AM
One of these days I really need to write down my thoughts on Marbles, since it's my favorite album ever, and it's really not close.

And for what it's worth, Clutching At Straws is my No. 3 (I've gone crazy with that damn RankingEngine site since doing my Rush list).   Love that Marillion can have two (or maybe more) albums that are so impactful to people.

I see each of AOS, Brave, Marbles, and Clutching at Straws as all time great albums by any band. And then they still have Misplaced Childhood below that tier for me, which many people would still call their strongest.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on March 04, 2022, 01:55:40 PM
I have those 4 in my top 20 all time favorite records.  Misplaced has never done much for me, as I feel like it's 4 hours of lyrics crammed into 20 minutes of legit music.

I downloaded the new album last night, and I've tried to get through it today.  I hope this gets better, because I've yet to make it through a full track yet.  I used to hold H in such high regards, but he's my main gripe so far with this record.  The lyrics just don't match the music for me, and his vocal "melodies" are tuneless and strained.  My main impression listening to this so far is "okay Grandpa, time to sit down." 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 04, 2022, 02:06:35 PM
I have those 4 in my top 20 all time favorite records.  Misplaced has never done much for me, as I feel like it's 4 hours of lyrics crammed into 20 minutes of legit music.

I downloaded the new album last night, and I've tried to get through it today.  I hope this gets better, because I've yet to make it through a full track yet.  I used to hold H in such high regards, but he's my main gripe so far with this record.  The lyrics just don't match the music for me, and his vocal "melodies" are tuneless and strained.  My main impression listening to this so far is "okay Grandpa, time to sit down."

Ha! As an avid listener of his podcast, I'm keenly aware of what an old fart H is these days (I say that lovingly). He's aged and he admits it, and I think his writing and singing reflect it as well. I don't have a problem with that, but it's not quite the same as when he first joined the band for sure. I'm still waiting for my copy, but I thought he did a really good job on FEAR sort of playing to his limitations and making the most of the voice he has. From what I've heard so far of the new one, it sounds like maybe he's leaning into that further maybe, but that's ok with me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on March 04, 2022, 04:23:51 PM
I didn’t listen to Marillion for years because I just didn’t like H’s voice. Now, I can tolerate it but I like Marillion in spite of the singing rather than because of it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on March 04, 2022, 08:57:04 PM
I actually made a ranking of all the Marillion studio albums last September here on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxD9LqX4ww0) (after making review videos for all of their albums), and apparently pissed off a few people in the comments, which isn't all that surprising, lol.

Some people just love to feel offended when their favorite albums are not ranked high, and vice-versa, lol.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on March 04, 2022, 10:46:49 PM
I actually made a ranking of all the Marillion studio albums last September here on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxD9LqX4ww0) (after making review videos for all of their albums), and apparently pissed off a few people in the comments, which isn't all that surprising, lol.

Some people just love to feel offended when their favorite albums are not ranked high, and vice-versa, lol.
I just used ranking engine to rank all the Marillion albums, I didn't rank B-Sides Themselves.

1   Marbles
2   Seasons End
3   Clutching at Straws
4   Afraid of Sunlight
5   Script for a Jester's Tear
6   Misplaced Childhood
7   Holidays In Eden
8   Anoraknophobia
9   Fugazi
10   Somewhere Else
11   Brave
12   This Strange Engine
13   Marillion.com
14   FEAR
15   Sounds That Can't Be Made
16   Happiness is the Road
17   Radiation
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 04, 2022, 11:37:16 PM
Started with the ranker but then ended up doing it all manually and putting them into tiers because the specific order within those tiers changes so frequently.

1. Afraid of Sunlight
2. Brave
3. Marbles
4. Clutching At Straws

5. F.E.A.R.
6. Seasons End
7. Holidays In Eden
8. Radiation
9. Marillion.com
10. Sounds That Can’t Be Made
11. Misplaced Childhood

12. Anoraknophobia
13. Happiness Is The Road
14. Somewhere Else
15. This Strange Engine

16. Fugazi
17. Script For A Jester’s Tear
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on March 04, 2022, 11:41:27 PM
Seems Brave and Script is where we really differ in ranking. Interesting.

I have never been able to connect with Brave. It has a ton of great ideas, but the sum of its parts does not add up to a great album to me.

Whereas Script can be really rough around the edges at times, but to me it just connects more. The sum is greater than its parts, so to speak.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: majo on March 05, 2022, 03:11:35 AM
Wow... what a fantastic brilliant album  :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 05, 2022, 08:03:14 AM
Seems Brave and Script is where we really differ in ranking. Interesting.

I have never been able to connect with Brave. It has a ton of great ideas, but the sum of its parts does not add up to a great album to me.

Whereas Script can be really rough around the edges at times, but to me it just connects more. The sum is greater than its parts, so to speak.

Script just feels like an entirely different band to me, so it’s kind of hard to compare it with the rest of their catalog. I really don’t like how early Fish sang, and a lot of the album comes off as a bit amelodic. I like He Knows You Know and Garden Party, but I’ve never been able to latch onto much else from it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on March 05, 2022, 09:39:05 AM
Love the new album...not quite as strong as FEAR, but also different, more condensed and tight. Care is the strongest track for me, followed by Murder Machines, though that is subject to change. H's lyrical tone seems very desperate throughout, kind of fits with his vocal tone for me. Solid effort for sure.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 05, 2022, 09:49:08 AM
I’m on my third listen. Some really strong moments, Care is really powerful and contrasts nicely with/complements Murder Machines. I actually like Be Hard On Yourself more the more times I hear it. A lot of it feels like it needs more time to digest. But I like how it all sounds if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 06, 2022, 10:53:49 PM
Ok, this album is at the point where it’s really starting to reveal itself to me. It’s a remarkable work with a lot of layers both musically and lyrically. It’s not all immediate, so it’s worth investing a little time to get it. The second half is especially fantastic I think. You have kind of a rockier start with the first three “songs,” and then a lot more of an atmospheric ending to the album with the last three. But then you have a huge, epic crescendo of sound at the end that only Marillion could make (with some help from a really cool choir). I’m sold.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 07, 2022, 05:39:58 AM
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Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 07, 2022, 08:07:56 AM
Wow. Puppies and HOF; it's surpising (to me) what good albums are BELOW Holidays In Eden on your lists.  I get it, tastes, so I'm not being critical, just making an observation.   I might try the Ranker here in a couple minutes....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 07, 2022, 08:49:37 AM
Wow. Puppies and HOF; it's surpising (to me) what good albums are BELOW Holidays In Eden on your lists.  I get it, tastes, so I'm not being critical, just making an observation.   I might try the Ranker here in a couple minutes....

Holidays is an album that has grown on me a lot over time, and perhaps because it is sort of controversial I feel like I’ve given it a lot of chances. Something that helped, and I don’t know which version you have, was getting the remastered edition with the original UK running order. The US edition had a different order and two extra tracks (A Collection, which is great, and How Can It Hurt, which I don’t like at all). The UK running order flows better IMO. I’ve come to think of the album as a really great balance of pop and prog. Though I’d also say I’m in no way married to the specific order of my ranking as much as I am the tiers.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 07, 2022, 09:12:17 AM
The funny thing is, I LIKE pop.  I don't mind a bit of pop in my music.  I LOVE melody, so there's that.  But there's something just... flat about that record.  Bearing in mind, though, that I heard it in real time (and the release was a mess, with the two versions).  I had just finished a real-time run of Misplaced Childhood, Clutching At Straws and (the excellent) Season's End, then the flat Holidays In Eden... it never really recovered for me.

EDIT:
1   Clutching at Straws
2   Misplaced Childhood
3   Seasons End
4   Marbles
5   Brave
6   Afraid of Sunlight
7   Fugazi
8   Script for a Jester's Tear
9   Anoraknophobia
10   Sounds That Can't Be Made
11   Radiation
12   FEAR
13   Holidays In Eden
14   Marillion.com
15   Happiness is the Road
16   This Strange Engine
17   Somewhere Else

This is okay; I'm surprised some of the Hogarth albums bubbled up over the Fish records (it's no secret I'm a Fish guy). But this is fair; it doesn't reflect the b-sides, though.  I'm a fan of the Marilloin b-sides (Cinderella Search and Lady Nina are both top 15 songs for me).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 07, 2022, 09:27:59 AM
Fugazi would have really benefitted from having Cinderella Search on it (not sure if that song was written for those sessions or if it came later though). It’s a shame it never made an album. It’s a top tier Fish song for sure.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 07, 2022, 09:43:53 AM
It's hard to tell; it was the b-side of "Assassing", which was the second single (it came out about a month after the album came out).  Ian Mosley was on the track and a co-writer, so it dates from either the album sessions or REALLY quickly after.  But having said that, the ending of recording was cut off abruptly because of the impending tour. I think the closing section of "Fugazi" was "constructed" in the studio because the band was already on tour.  That seems to suggest that any other songs had to be part of the recording proper.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on March 07, 2022, 11:51:37 AM
The band have shared that AHBID is currently number 2 in the UK Midweek chart, sandwiched between Stereophonics' Oochya at number 1 and Coral's The Coral at number 3.

Ever since the new album dropped I've been revisiting some Marillion albums which I haven't heard in a long time, including Marbles, which is still probably my favorite album of theirs.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 07, 2022, 02:09:53 PM
Here's my interview with Steve Rothery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rFA4JHo_Pc

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Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: goo-goo on March 07, 2022, 02:18:09 PM
I'm trying to dig up some pictures but during the FEAR tour, the last show of the USA tour was in Dallas and a buddy and myself went. Great show, loved it. We were waiting for the band outside since the Granada Theater has the stage access just next to the parking lot. We waiting for an hour or so and nobody was leaving the building (stagehands etc). Nothing. The backdoor suddenly opened and some guys told us to go inside. And we went. There was Marillion and the crew and probably the Marillion USA fanclub drinking and celebrating the end of the tour. We were in awe but Rothery was serving drinks to everyone, approached us and he served us a couple of white russians. And we mingled with him and H and Pete I believe. Ian Mosley left as soon as the show was over.  I don't recall seeing Mark. Anyways, a memory I will always treasure. Very weird, very bizarre but can't get any better than sharing a drink with one of your favorite bands.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on March 07, 2022, 02:34:11 PM
So I gave the new album a full, devoted listen today, and overall, it went much better than my initial listen.  I really like how Care calls back to the other songs on the album, and Rothery’s guitar solo at around 8:30 is fantastic.  Plus, the whole “The angels in this world are not in the walls of churches” section to close out the song is classic, epic Marillion.  Overall, there are some nice details that I missed in my initial run through the album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 07, 2022, 02:53:25 PM
So I gave the new album a full, devoted listen today, and overall, it went much better than my initial listen.  I really like how Care calls back to the other songs on the album, and Rothery’s guitar solo at around 8:30 is fantastic.  Plus, the whole “The angels in this world are not in the walls of churches” section to close out the song is classic, epic Marillion.  Overall, there are some nice details that I missed in my initial run through the album.

Those last three songs have a lot of intricacies instrumentally. The mix is a bit dense because there is a lot going on, but it’s been really cool to kind of register new bits with each listen. I love how they brought in some outside musicians to fill out the sound. There’s the Choir Noir, a string quartet, some harp and French horn, an additional percussionist. It could have become overkill, but I don’t think it was.

The version I ordered came with a DVD that includes a documentary and interviews which gives a lot of good insight into the songs. There’s also an instrumental only mix of all the tracks, and that revealed a lot of detail for me with The Crow and The Nightengale and Sierra Leon. Sierra Leon in particular has some really gorgeous bass work by Pete Trewavas.

Something that was bugging me last night when I was trying to get to sleep was where I’d heard that bass groove in the opening section of Care. Turns out that section is very similar to the AOS b-side Icon, which is kind of cool (not sure if intentional or not).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 07, 2022, 03:45:32 PM
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Great interview Rodrigo! Enjoyed it.

Thanks!!! And hey...bonus points if you can identify what's on ny shirt - it's not related Marillion though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: devieira73 on March 07, 2022, 04:37:00 PM
Great interview, Rodrigo! They keep flowing even better than the previous ones and so on... congratulations!
To me, as I'm not much a fan of the "slow burner" Marillion, this album is easily their best since Marbles, no doubt. And Care is indeed awesome!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 07, 2022, 04:45:37 PM
Great interview, Rodrigo! They keep flowing even better than the previous ones and so on... congratulations!
To me, as I'm not much a fan of the "slow burner" Marillion, this album is easily their best since Marbles, no doubt. And Care is indeed awesome!

Thanks man!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: T-ski on March 08, 2022, 03:35:36 PM
Really like the new album.

Really DON’T LIKE how the track listing is screwed up on my CD player and I have no idea what track I’m listening to.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on March 08, 2022, 03:49:33 PM
Really like the new album.

Really DON’T LIKE how the track listing is screwed up on my CD player and I have no idea what track I’m listening to.

Is your CD player reading the info right from the disc, or is it gathering info from the net via a database? Is it displaying the 7 songs names as the first seven tracks, and then giving you blanks for tracks 8-18?

Thankfully the band provided a 7-track version of the album and not 18-tracks, so all my digital copies at home, work and on my phone are the album with the song in complete tracks rather than segmented versions. I almost wish I hadn't heard the album with its split up tracks first because now the divisions in the songs seem really obvious to me, but I'm slowly hearing the songs as a whole now.

After almost two weeks of listening to it, I've come to really enjoy "Care" quite a lot, especially the ending. "Sierra Leone" continues to be a favorite of mine as well, but the album as a whole is really clicking with me. This is definitely one of their best albums of the 21st century.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: T-ski on March 08, 2022, 05:42:17 PM
Really like the new album.

Really DON’T LIKE how the track listing is screwed up on my CD player and I have no idea what track I’m listening to.

Is your CD player reading the info right from the disc, or is it gathering info from the net via a database? Is it displaying the 7 songs names as the first seven tracks, and then giving you blanks for tracks 8-18?

Thankfully the band provided a 7-track version of the album and not 18-tracks, so all my digital copies at home, work and on my phone are the album with the song in complete tracks rather than segmented versions. I almost wish I hadn't heard the album with its split up tracks first because now the divisions in the songs seem really obvious to me, but I'm slowly hearing the songs as a whole now.

After almost two weeks of listening to it, I've come to really enjoy "Care" quite a lot, especially the ending. "Sierra Leone" continues to be a favorite of mine as well, but the album as a whole is really clicking with me. This is definitely one of their best albums of the 21st century.

-Marc.

-Marc.

I was listening in my car and the disc was about half way through and it said it was on track 11.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on March 08, 2022, 06:01:56 PM
Yeah I really don't like how they split up all the tracks. Same with FEAR. When I ripped the disc to my Plex server I loaded up the album in Audacity and combined the tracks correctly.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 08, 2022, 07:35:07 PM
Don’t get me started on the tracking. 18 tracks for 6 songs is ghastly and obscene. I went ahead and bought the download version through the Townsend website (even though I bought my CD off Amazon) because they merged the tracks on the download. Why they didn’t merge the tracks on the CD I’ll never understand. I get that they want to maximize streaming revenue, but there’s no reason to penalize the people who buy the CD.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on March 08, 2022, 09:51:32 PM
Yeah, I ripped it as a bunch of joined tracks so it's just 8 with that Murder Machines remix at the end. Then I went back and re-ripped FEAR with the tracks joined. I've had it ripped as the 17-track album these past six years and honestly having it in the player as

1. El Dorado I: Long Shadowed Sun
2. El Dorado II: The Gold
3. etc.

for El Dorado, The Leavers and The New Kings just looks silly imo.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 08, 2022, 11:48:03 PM
Listening to the instrumental mixes again, and man is the underlying arrangement on Sierra Leon fantastic. I do think H’s vocals are a little too far up in the mix on some of these tracks. It feels like the vocals maybe crowd out some of the texture and details. I do like the overall sound though. Think Hunter continues to outdo himself as a producer in general.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RoeDent on March 09, 2022, 06:14:45 AM
Gotta get them scrobs in, m8
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on March 09, 2022, 01:37:23 PM
So I never really bothered with the Hogarth era after Brave u til FEAR made me give them a chance again. So recently I’ve been going through it, and whilst some of it is just ok, what a fantastic album This Strange Engine is. I see certain other albums mentioned all the time but not this one.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 09, 2022, 01:45:43 PM
So I never really bothered with the Hogarth era after Brave u til FEAR made me give them a chance again. So recently I’ve been going through it, and whilst some of it is just ok, what a fantastic album This Strange Engine is. I see certain other albums mentioned all the time but not this one.

FWIW, I think there is a segment of fans who hold TSE in pretty high regard. Certainly the title track is a fan favorite, as is Estonia. For me it has 3 great tracks (those 2 plus Man of a Thousand Faces) and the rest is a bit hit or miss, but it’s not a bad album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 09, 2022, 02:47:55 PM
So I never really bothered with the Hogarth era after Brave u til FEAR made me give them a chance again. So recently I’ve been going through it, and whilst some of it is just ok, what a fantastic album This Strange Engine is. I see certain other albums mentioned all the time but not this one.

FWIW, I think there is a segment of fans who hold TSE in pretty high regard. Certainly the title track is a fan favorite, as is Estonia. For me it has 3 great tracks (those 2 plus Man of a Thousand Faces) and the rest is a bit hit or miss, but it’s not a bad album.

I don't say this to argue, but to provide interesting contrast...  I was a HUGE Marillion fan through Brave.  I didn't get Afraid of Sunlight right away (in fact, it was worse than that) and so when I heard "This Strange Engine" I bailed.   I didn't buy a single Marillion album until the buzz and rave over Marbles was too much to ignore, and so I bought it (and LOVED IT).  I went back and listened to that which came out in between - Radiation, .com, and Anoraknophobia - and while none of it matched Marbles, they were good.  Unfortunately, other than Estonia, nothing onTSE has risen up over the years.  It's still the worst album up through Marbles, and second worst overall (I'm not counting "Less Is More").
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on March 09, 2022, 02:55:36 PM
So I never really bothered with the Hogarth era after Brave u til FEAR made me give them a chance again. So recently I’ve been going through it, and whilst some of it is just ok, what a fantastic album This Strange Engine is. I see certain other albums mentioned all the time but not this one.

FWIW, I think there is a segment of fans who hold TSE in pretty high regard. Certainly the title track is a fan favorite, as is Estonia. For me it has 3 great tracks (those 2 plus Man of a Thousand Faces) and the rest is a bit hit or miss, but it’s not a bad album.

I don't say this to argue, but to provide interesting contrast...  I was a HUGE Marillion fan through Brave.  I didn't get Afraid of Sunlight right away (in fact, it was worse than that) and so when I heard "This Strange Engine" I bailed.   I didn't buy a single Marillion album until the buzz and rave over Marbles was too much to ignore, and so I bought it (and LOVED IT).  I went back and listened to that which came out in between - Radiation, .com, and Anoraknophobia - and while none of it matched Marbles, they were good.  Unfortunately, other than Estonia, nothing onTSE has risen up over the years.  It's still the worst album up through Marbles, and second worst overall (I'm not counting "Less Is More").

I've been wondering this - the band seem to consider both Less Is More and With Friends From The Orchestra as part of their main studio discography, allowing An Hour Before It's Dark to be their 20th studio album over-all, but how do fans feel about this? Both albums largely consist of re-recordings of older material, though in the case of LIM, it includes one new song. At least both albums don't have any over-lapping songs, but they are largely just compilations, despite the re-arrangements involved on both albums.

I personally own LIM but have rarely listened to it, and I think I streamed WFFTO once, and it was pretty good (the song choices on it were nice picks, IMO).

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 09, 2022, 04:26:07 PM

I've been wondering this - the band seem to consider both Less Is More and With Friends From The Orchestra as part of their main studio discography, allowing An Hour Before It's Dark to be their 20th studio album over-all, but how do fans feel about this? Both albums largely consist of re-recordings of older material, though in the case of LIM, it includes one new song. At least both albums don't have any over-lapping songs, but they are largely just compilations, despite the re-arrangements involved on both albums.

I personally own LIM but have rarely listened to it, and I think I streamed WFFTO once, and it was pretty good (the song choices on it were nice picks, IMO).

-Marc.

Oh, it’s almost totally a management thing, and I think they mostly wanted to be able to market this album as their 20th. The band could not tell you how many albums they’ve released. Pete and H were asked on H’s podcast to name all 19 albums, and neither of them could come up with how they were billing this one as number 20 (nobody could name With Friends or decide if Less is More counted). It’s kind of a running gag that there aren’t really 20 Marillion albums. The other debate is whether or not Happiness is the Road counts for one or two. At least in Lucy’s eyes it’s one, but don’t know if the band really care one way or the other.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on March 09, 2022, 06:11:01 PM

I've been wondering this - the band seem to consider both Less Is More and With Friends From The Orchestra as part of their main studio discography, allowing An Hour Before It's Dark to be their 20th studio album over-all, but how do fans feel about this? Both albums largely consist of re-recordings of older material, though in the case of LIM, it includes one new song. At least both albums don't have any over-lapping songs, but they are largely just compilations, despite the re-arrangements involved on both albums.

I personally own LIM but have rarely listened to it, and I think I streamed WFFTO once, and it was pretty good (the song choices on it were nice picks, IMO).

-Marc.

Oh, it’s almost totally a management thing, and I think they mostly wanted to be able to market this album as their 20th. The band could not tell you how many albums they’ve released. Pete and H were asked on H’s podcast to name all 19 albums, and neither of them could come up with how they were billing this one as number 20 (nobody could name With Friends or decide if Less is More counted). It’s kind of a running gag that there aren’t really 20 Marillion albums. The other debate is whether or not Happiness is the Road counts for one or two. At least in Lucy’s eyes it’s one, but don’t know if the band really care one way or the other.
Yeah I don't count Less is More or WFFtO as studio albums, no matter what the band or their management says. And Happiness is the Road is definitely 1 album. I think a case could be made for B-Sides Themselves, since none of the songs on there are from any of the studio albums, but I still consider it an EP or compilation, since all the songs were from different recording sessions.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on March 09, 2022, 06:51:18 PM

I've been wondering this - the band seem to consider both Less Is More and With Friends From The Orchestra as part of their main studio discography, allowing An Hour Before It's Dark to be their 20th studio album over-all, but how do fans feel about this? Both albums largely consist of re-recordings of older material, though in the case of LIM, it includes one new song. At least both albums don't have any over-lapping songs, but they are largely just compilations, despite the re-arrangements involved on both albums.

I personally own LIM but have rarely listened to it, and I think I streamed WFFTO once, and it was pretty good (the song choices on it were nice picks, IMO).

-Marc.

Oh, it’s almost totally a management thing, and I think they mostly wanted to be able to market this album as their 20th. The band could not tell you how many albums they’ve released. Pete and H were asked on H’s podcast to name all 19 albums, and neither of them could come up with how they were billing this one as number 20 (nobody could name With Friends or decide if Less is More counted). It’s kind of a running gag that there aren’t really 20 Marillion albums. The other debate is whether or not Happiness is the Road counts for one or two. At least in Lucy’s eyes it’s one, but don’t know if the band really care one way or the other.
Yeah I don't count Less is More or WFFtO as studio albums, no matter what the band or their management says. And Happiness is the Road is definitely 1 album. I think a case could be made for B-Sides Themselves, since none of the songs on there are from any of the studio albums, but I still consider it an EP or compilation, since all the songs were from different recording sessions.

So then for you, AHBID is their 18th studio album, though for some it might be their 19th (if they count HITR as two and not one), while it seems their management considers AHBID to be their 20th, most likely for marketing purposes. It's a bit fitting, having reached "20" just before their 40th anniversary (even though they technically formed in 78, their debut album wasn't until 83).

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on March 09, 2022, 08:52:21 PM

I've been wondering this - the band seem to consider both Less Is More and With Friends From The Orchestra as part of their main studio discography, allowing An Hour Before It's Dark to be their 20th studio album over-all, but how do fans feel about this? Both albums largely consist of re-recordings of older material, though in the case of LIM, it includes one new song. At least both albums don't have any over-lapping songs, but they are largely just compilations, despite the re-arrangements involved on both albums.

I personally own LIM but have rarely listened to it, and I think I streamed WFFTO once, and it was pretty good (the song choices on it were nice picks, IMO).

-Marc.

Oh, it’s almost totally a management thing, and I think they mostly wanted to be able to market this album as their 20th. The band could not tell you how many albums they’ve released. Pete and H were asked on H’s podcast to name all 19 albums, and neither of them could come up with how they were billing this one as number 20 (nobody could name With Friends or decide if Less is More counted). It’s kind of a running gag that there aren’t really 20 Marillion albums. The other debate is whether or not Happiness is the Road counts for one or two. At least in Lucy’s eyes it’s one, but don’t know if the band really care one way or the other.
Yeah I don't count Less is More or WFFtO as studio albums, no matter what the band or their management says. And Happiness is the Road is definitely 1 album. I think a case could be made for B-Sides Themselves, since none of the songs on there are from any of the studio albums, but I still consider it an EP or compilation, since all the songs were from different recording sessions.

So then for you, AHBID is their 18th studio album, though for some it might be their 19th (if they count HITR as two and not one), while it seems their management considers AHBID to be their 20th, most likely for marketing purposes. It's a bit fitting, having reached "20" just before their 40th anniversary (even though they technically formed in 78, their debut album wasn't until 83).

-Marc.
And what their marketing team doesn't seem to understand is, if it's a good album it doesn't matter if it's album #18 or album #20. I couldn't care less what album it is. And I'm sure most of Marillion's fans feel the same way.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on March 09, 2022, 10:58:38 PM
it doesn't really matter how many you count it as. But when I did review of all the albums videos on YouTube, I did 18, and I counted B-sides.

I didn't count
Less Is More
With Friends

and I counted Happiness as 1

if you do that and don't include B-Sides, than you only really get AHBID as their 18th.

I mentioned in 1 of those videos it reminds me of how King's X's album "XV" wasn't their 15th studio album (but actually their 12th), but they counted a live album, a compilation, and an album made before they changed their name.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 10, 2022, 08:05:25 AM
Night Ranger released the album "Seven" in 1998, but it was only seven if you didn't count the one album they did without Jack Blades in '95.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on March 10, 2022, 09:11:17 AM
IQ's The Seventh House is technically their 7th album if you don't count either release of Seven Stories Into Eight, either the 1982 demo or the 1998 re-recording/re-release, Seven Stories Into '98. Oddly enough, a lot of reviews count Frequency as their 10th album, which came out two albums after The Seventh House.  :facepalm: :lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on March 24, 2022, 01:07:27 PM
I finally just picked up AHBID and I’ve been giving it a spin on my lunch break.

Initial thoughts: it certainly is a beautiful album…but it doesn’t exactly have a lot of umph to it, does it. This almost feels like what 10cc would have sounded like if they had continued to develop their early lush proggy sound.

It’s not bad. May need to grow on me. I HATE the track splits. ESPECIALLY how they split up all the proper songs and then made the remix MM a “hidden track” after a bit of silence at the end of Care. Just stupid.

I also found the Fugazi boxed set on the shelf so I nabbed that but I probably won’t get to spin it til this weekend
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 24, 2022, 01:13:15 PM
I finally just picked up AHBID and I’ve been giving it a spin on my lunch break.

Initial thoughts: it certainly is a beautiful album…but it doesn’t exactly have a lot of umph to it, does it. This almost feels like what 10cc would have sounded like if they had continued to develop their early lush proggy sound.

It’s not bad. May need to grow on me. I HATE the track splits. ESPECIALLY how they split up all the proper songs and then made the remix MM a “hidden track” after a bit of silence at the end of Care. Just stupid.

I also found the Fugazi boxed set on the shelf so I nabbed that but I probably won’t get to spin it til this weekend

The track splits are brutal. Not sure what you mean about lack of umph. It might be their most rocky album since Anorak probably, and Rothery’s solos are particularly powerful IMO. But Marillion have always been much more about layers of sound and ambiance than umph (at least with H).

If you actually or mentally join the tracks (the download from the official site gives you the tracks combined), it really is a nicely balanced album. The first 3 songs are essentially a suit about ecological crisis dealing with climate change and the pandemic in particular. The second 3 are more personal stories, with bits of Care tying everything together. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on March 24, 2022, 01:19:06 PM
I agree that Rothery’s solos are absolutely off the chart. In fact I think The Crow and the Nightingale is one of the most beautiful tracks I’ve ever heard. But I guess I’m just noticing the recent trend of tending to stay away from the more “rock” side of Marillion. I mean, it doesn’t seem like we’re ever gonna hear anything as jaunty Assassing or even The Uninvited Guest again.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 24, 2022, 01:20:26 PM
I agree that Rothery’s solos are absolutely off the chart. In fact I think The Crow and the Nightingale is one of the most beautiful tracks I’ve ever heard. But I guess I’m just noticing the recent trend of tending to stay away from the more “rock” side of Marillion. I mean, it doesn’t seem like we’re ever gonna hear anything as jaunty Assassing or even The Uninvited Guest again.

Probably not. I just don’t think that’s where their musical interest lies right now. But I also think a slower more atmospheric pace suits them better at this age too.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on March 25, 2022, 01:00:53 AM
I listened to it once with the track splits, and every other time, as a 7-song, 7-track record.

I'm kind of surprised how many people are still having issue or seeing it with the track splits. The download the band themselves sent doesn't have them. I guess if Spotify or the other streaming platforms is your only way to listen to it, than that's on you given there is a version available without them.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on March 25, 2022, 07:10:59 AM
I listened to it once with the track splits, and every other time, as a 7-song, 7-track record.

I'm kind of surprised how many people are still having issue or seeing it with the track splits. The download the band themselves sent doesn't have them. I guess if Spotify or the other streaming platforms is your only way to listen to it, than that's on you given there is a version available without them.

I’ve never cared for any of the streaming services. I went to an actual CD shop and purchased a physical copy over the counter. (The deluxe edition with the bonus DVD no less)

Even though I did listen to the CD straight through, I thought the track splits were obnoxious.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 25, 2022, 07:23:05 AM
I listened to it once with the track splits, and every other time, as a 7-song, 7-track record.

I'm kind of surprised how many people are still having issue or seeing it with the track splits. The download the band themselves sent doesn't have them. I guess if Spotify or the other streaming platforms is your only way to listen to it, than that's on you given there is a version available without them.

I’ve never cared for any of the streaming services. I went to an actual CD shop and purchased a physical copy over the counter. (The deluxe edition with the bonus DVD no less)

Even though I did listen to the CD straight through, I thought the track splits were obnoxious.

Yeah, I specifically bought the download from the band so I would have the tracks joined on my computer (bought the CD from Amazon to avoid the shipping nightmare that lots of fans outside of the UK experienced). But if I’m in the car and I want to skip ahead to The Crow and the Nightengale or something, I have to wade through 9 or 10 tracks just to get to the fourth proper song!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 25, 2022, 07:32:04 AM
I finally just picked up AHBID and I’ve been giving it a spin on my lunch break.

Initial thoughts: it certainly is a beautiful album…but it doesn’t exactly have a lot of umph to it, does it. This almost feels like what 10cc would have sounded like if they had continued to develop their early lush proggy sound.

It’s not bad. May need to grow on me. I HATE the track splits. ESPECIALLY how they split up all the proper songs and then made the remix MM a “hidden track” after a bit of silence at the end of Care. Just stupid.

I also found the Fugazi boxed set on the shelf so I nabbed that but I probably won’t get to spin it til this weekend

The track splits are brutal. Not sure what you mean about lack of umph. It might be their most rocky album since Anorak probably, and Rothery’s solos are particularly powerful IMO. But Marillion have always been much more about layers of sound and ambiance than umph (at least with H).

If you actually or mentally join the tracks (the download from the official site gives you the tracks combined), it really is a nicely balanced album. The first 3 songs are essentially a suit about ecological crisis dealing with climate change and the pandemic in particular. The second 3 are more personal stories, with bits of Care tying everything together.

See, I'm reading this, and I'm thinking "yeah, I know the last couple have been lackluster, but give it a shot, this is friggin' MARILLION!" and then I read that, and I'm like "ugh".   H can be so heavy handed sometimes.  I much prefer the introspective Hogarth than the worldly Hogarth.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 25, 2022, 07:42:45 AM
 I gotta say I really enjoyed the album, and I neglected most of Marillion's output for a number of years. I HAD to listen to it to interview Steve Rothery, and was pleasantly surprised. But Hogarth's preachings are cringe sometimes. Come on, a sixty-something year-old saying "I've been listening to Greta T?".
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 25, 2022, 07:44:04 AM
I gotta say I really enjoyed the album, and I neglected most of Marillion's output for a number of years. I HAD to listen to it to interview Steve Rothery, and was pleasantly surprised. But Hogarth's preachings are cringe sometimes. Come on, a sixty-something year-old saying "I've been listening to Greta T?".

See, that's my worst fear.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 25, 2022, 07:53:04 AM
I gotta say I really enjoyed the album, and I neglected most of Marillion's output for a number of years. I HAD to listen to it to interview Steve Rothery, and was pleasantly surprised. But Hogarth's preachings are cringe sometimes. Come on, a sixty-something year-old saying "I've been listening to Greta T?".

See, that's my worst fear.  :) :) :)

Try to enjoy it without clinging too much to the lyrical content. Otherwise, you might be disappointed.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 25, 2022, 08:34:13 AM
I finally just picked up AHBID and I’ve been giving it a spin on my lunch break.

Initial thoughts: it certainly is a beautiful album…but it doesn’t exactly have a lot of umph to it, does it. This almost feels like what 10cc would have sounded like if they had continued to develop their early lush proggy sound.

It’s not bad. May need to grow on me. I HATE the track splits. ESPECIALLY how they split up all the proper songs and then made the remix MM a “hidden track” after a bit of silence at the end of Care. Just stupid.

I also found the Fugazi boxed set on the shelf so I nabbed that but I probably won’t get to spin it til this weekend

The track splits are brutal. Not sure what you mean about lack of umph. It might be their most rocky album since Anorak probably, and Rothery’s solos are particularly powerful IMO. But Marillion have always been much more about layers of sound and ambiance than umph (at least with H).

If you actually or mentally join the tracks (the download from the official site gives you the tracks combined), it really is a nicely balanced album. The first 3 songs are essentially a suit about ecological crisis dealing with climate change and the pandemic in particular. The second 3 are more personal stories, with bits of Care tying everything together.

See, I'm reading this, and I'm thinking "yeah, I know the last couple have been lackluster, but give it a shot, this is friggin' MARILLION!" and then I read that, and I'm like "ugh".   H can be so heavy handed sometimes.  I much prefer the introspective Hogarth than the worldly Hogarth.

Yeah, I think that first half might be a bit much for you, but the second half is the introspective Hogarth and it has some of his strongest writing IMO.

Also, if you spring for the version with the accompanying DVD, the interviews shed a good bit of light on the songs and are worth watching. There's also an all instrumental mix of the album on there, which is very cool and might be worth your time if some of the lyrics are off-putting.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 25, 2022, 08:45:06 AM
I gotta say I really enjoyed the album, and I neglected most of Marillion's output for a number of years. I HAD to listen to it to interview Steve Rothery, and was pleasantly surprised. But Hogarth's preachings are cringe sometimes. Come on, a sixty-something year-old saying "I've been listening to Greta T?".

See, that's my worst fear.  :) :) :)

Try to enjoy it without clinging too much to the lyrical content. Otherwise, you might be disappointed.

And I can, I'm not that rigid. And it's not like he's not gone down that path before (even on his first Marillion album, "Season's End" was pointed in that direction). 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Nel on March 25, 2022, 09:44:21 AM
I don't even know why they gave the Murder Machines Remix the "hidden track" treatment when it's listed for all the world to see on the back of the album.  :lol Just another editing hassle when I had to separate it from Care after I ripped it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 25, 2022, 09:49:36 AM
I don't even know why they gave the Murder Machines Remix the "hidden track" treatment when it's listed for all the world to see on the back of the album.  :lol Just another editing hassle when I had to separate it from Care after I ripped it.

Yeah, another unnecessary annoyance. It was like they were trying to make the tracking as confusing and difficult as possible.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 22, 2022, 04:45:44 PM
I’ll have to give that one a try.

You know, I was thinking. For as much as I dislike some of their stuff, I never understood the hate for TSE. I get that the middle has some so-so moments. But Man of a Thousand Faces is amazing, as is the title track. I also rather like 80 Days.

No hate here. I think it blows the doors off of the previous two albums. One of the highlights of the Hogarth era in my opinion.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 22, 2022, 04:52:51 PM
Love the new album...not quite as strong as FEAR, but also different, more condensed and tight. Care is the strongest track for me, followed by Murder Machines, though that is subject to change. H's lyrical tone seems very desperate throughout, kind of fits with his vocal tone for me. Solid effort for sure.

Like the Envy Of None album. It seems like it ends way too soon. Very characteristic of a great album if it has that feel.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 22, 2022, 05:05:16 PM
So I never really bothered with the Hogarth era after Brave u til FEAR made me give them a chance again. So recently I’ve been going through it, and whilst some of it is just ok, what a fantastic album This Strange Engine is. I see certain other albums mentioned all the time but not this one.

FWIW, I think there is a segment of fans who hold TSE in pretty high regard. Certainly the title track is a fan favorite, as is Estonia. For me it has 3 great tracks (those 2 plus Man of a Thousand Faces) and the rest is a bit hit or miss, but it’s not a bad album.

I don't say this to argue, but to provide interesting contrast...  I was a HUGE Marillion fan through Brave.  I didn't get Afraid of Sunlight right away (in fact, it was worse than that) and so when I heard "This Strange Engine" I bailed.   I didn't buy a single Marillion album until the buzz and rave over Marbles was too much to ignore, and so I bought it (and LOVED IT).  I went back and listened to that which came out in between - Radiation, .com, and Anoraknophobia - and while none of it matched Marbles, they were good.  Unfortunately, other than Estonia, nothing onTSE has risen up over the years.  It's still the worst album up through Marbles, and second worst overall (I'm not counting "Less Is More").

I've been wondering this - the band seem to consider both Less Is More and With Friends From The Orchestra as part of their main studio discography, allowing An Hour Before It's Dark to be their 20th studio album over-all, but how do fans feel about this? Both albums largely consist of re-recordings of older material, though in the case of LIM, it includes one new song. At least both albums don't have any over-lapping songs, but they are largely just compilations, despite the re-arrangements involved on both albums.

I personally own LIM but have rarely listened to it, and I think I streamed WFFTO once, and it was pretty good (the song choices on it were nice picks, IMO).

-Marc.

I like Friends From The Orchestra a lot but I love With Friends At St. David's even more. I never listen to Less Is More. I'm not even sure I could tell you what's on it anymore.  I remember not being too fond of the track listing.

They count for me, but I don't think it's that big a deal. But then I would count the live albums (maybe short of official bootlegs and "Weekend"releases.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on May 22, 2022, 05:14:00 PM
I listened to it once with the track splits, and every other time, as a 7-song, 7-track record.

I'm kind of surprised how many people are still having issue or seeing it with the track splits. The download the band themselves sent doesn't have them. I guess if Spotify or the other streaming platforms is your only way to listen to it, than that's on you given there is a version available without them.

They aren't bothering me, but I listen to the CD.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on June 04, 2022, 12:38:36 PM
Marillion Weekend in Montreal is just a few weeks away, just curious if anyone here is attending? (I am)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on June 04, 2022, 12:55:31 PM
Marillion Weekend in Montreal is just a few weeks away, just curious if anyone here is attending? (I am)

I am not, but hope you have an amazing time!

For those who can't travel to a convention, you can purchase a stream of the second night from their recent UK convention, where the band played all of An Hour Before It's Dark (plus encores):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A79pcamNnoc

https://marillionvod.uscreen.io/programs/leicesterlive2022
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 22, 2022, 06:08:55 PM
Any plans for coming back to the US in the future or is that a pipe dream at this point?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on June 22, 2022, 06:41:30 PM
Any plans for coming back to the US in the future or is that a pipe dream at this point?

Only thing announced so far (that I know of) beyond the conventions is the UK and Europe this fall. Maybe they’ll try for North America in 2023? They managed to come over on the FEAR tour so I suppose it could happen.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 22, 2022, 07:19:20 PM
Hope so... A trip to Montreal would be hella pricey for me, only traveled that far once for IQ.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 22, 2022, 09:16:38 PM
I guess I'm pining for them to find a way (Crowdfund maybe) to hold 1 Convention in Las Vegas someday before they retire.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on June 23, 2022, 01:08:29 AM
There is no way its going to be possible for the band to do a weekend in the US given your country's visa and tax requirements. The point of the Montreal weekend was that it was easier for US fans to travel to Canada than for the band to travel to the US. They will doubtlessly do another US tour at some stage, but they lost money on the last US tour, so it's just not a priority for them.

There's a lot of US bands that never come to Europe, so it all balances out inn the wash. Look on the bright side, bands never go to Australia....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 23, 2022, 06:45:13 AM
It baffles me that they lost money on that; I saw the tour, it was a full house in Pennsylvania.  I get it, there's more to it than that, but lesser bands travel from Europe to the States and play smaller places to lesser crowds and make out okay.  They're a business savvy band, but sometimes I wonder. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on June 23, 2022, 09:46:40 AM
It baffles me that they lost money on that; I saw the tour, it was a full house in Pennsylvania.  I get it, there's more to it than that, but lesser bands travel from Europe to the States and play smaller places to lesser crowds and make out okay.  They're a business savvy band, but sometimes I wonder.

Ya but you wouldn’t believe what they sometimes have to do to make it work.

NWOBHM legends Raven played a local dive bar in Seattle. They couldn’t afford to bring their own drum kit, so it was written into the contract that, in addition to guaranteed payment, the promoter would provide a specified drum kit at his own expense.

Just an example of how those things sometimes work. But I can’t really picture Marillion doing something like that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on June 30, 2022, 08:20:26 AM
tested positive for covid this morning, right before I was going to leave for Marillion Weekend tomorrow.  FML   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Deathless on June 30, 2022, 08:31:38 AM
It baffles me that they lost money on that; I saw the tour, it was a full house in Pennsylvania.  I get it, there's more to it than that, but lesser bands travel from Europe to the States and play smaller places to lesser crowds and make out okay.  They're a business savvy band, but sometimes I wonder.

I would love to see a band give a full economic breakdown of costs/expenses and then profits etc at a scale like Marillion. I have seen a lot of US-based bands cancelling tours in Europe as of late so I'm sure there are different issues on both sides (Visas, fuel costs, etc).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 30, 2022, 09:59:18 AM
tested positive for covid this morning, right before I was going to leave for Marillion Weekend tomorrow.  FML   :facepalm:

Oh fuck dude... That sucks so bad.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 30, 2022, 10:01:47 AM
tested positive for covid this morning, right before I was going to leave for Marillion Weekend tomorrow.  FML   :facepalm:

Sincerely, sorry to hear that.  I know this is something you looked forward to.  Any remote options?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on June 30, 2022, 01:59:19 PM
no remote option, although I think the stream from saturday night in Leicester is being made available to rent again this weekend so I may do that. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on June 30, 2022, 02:02:51 PM
Yuck. Really sorry you’re missing out. Hope you get well soon.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 02, 2022, 07:00:47 PM
tested positive for covid this morning, right before I was going to leave for Marillion Weekend tomorrow.  FML   :facepalm:

Sorry to hear about that. Can't even imagine.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 02, 2022, 07:24:56 PM
It baffles me that they lost money on that; I saw the tour, it was a full house in Pennsylvania.  I get it, there's more to it than that, but lesser bands travel from Europe to the States and play smaller places to lesser crowds and make out okay.  They're a business savvy band, but sometimes I wonder.

Perhaps at this point Marillion don't want themselves or their fans to have to deal with late start times and/or the trapings of small clubs. They have achieved a certain standard in many of the places they play and we in the US don't meet that standard without some concessions being made.

Wife and I were talking about Fish possible hitting the road in '24 and how that he would like to play consecutive nights in cities so that he would be able to play all of the material he wanted to play and we're trying to figure out how that happens with him not losing his shirt or both of us standing for 3 plus hours and getting home at dawn on a work night. There aren't many options. He says he hopes to due and extensive US Tour (or about as extensive someone like him could realistically tour in the US) but that would be a blood bath unless you limited the tour to select major cities in theaters that people would be drawn to.

There's still time but I don't think it's a easy problem to solve.

What would be a no-brainer would be the Fish/Marillion double bill (but that would create expectations and pressure which would crush the feasibility of doing it.) There will be no reunion but that wouldn't stop the idea that it should/will happen. I get why nobody wants to go there, but that solves your Fish/Marillion touring problem. If there's to be a finale by both, that is the most logical way for it to go down but it's equally obvious to me why it won't happen.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 20, 2022, 09:07:32 AM
Holidays in Eden remix/reissue date finally announced for September 16, 2022.

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/remast57.htm

This is the CD / Bluray version of a brand new (2022) Stereo & 5.1 Remix of Marillion's sixth album Holidays In Eden.
 
Disc One features a brand new stereo remix of the album by Stephen W Tayler.

Discs Two and Three feature the concert from the Hammersmith Odeon on 30th September 1991.

The blu-ray contains 48/24 stereo and LPCM 5.1 mixes and a DTS-HD Master 5.1 audio of the album. B-Sides and Bonus tracks are also included.

Video content consists of "Pain And Heaven" - an 85 minute documentary covering the making of the album.

Also included is the Rockpalast live performance from German TV (18 tracks) and the promotional videos for Cover My Eyes, No One Can and Dry Land.

Approximate running time is 3hrs 20mins.


Probably worth it for the concerts and the documentary alone, but I’m also always interested to see what the remix will be like.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on July 20, 2022, 10:12:58 AM
Did I miss something? I thought Season’s End would be next. Is this a surprise to anyone but me?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 20, 2022, 10:23:31 AM
Did I miss something? I thought Season’s End would be next. Is this a surprise to anyone but me?

Well, they seem to be going in a random order; I had hoped Season's End would be next, but I don't think anyone said definitively.  I missed out on Brave and Afraid...  (anyone got an extra copy they want to sell for some value less than my f-ing car?) so I'll buy this, but I'm waiting for Season's myself.  I want to hear The King Of Sunset Town in 5.1 really bad. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Deathless on July 20, 2022, 10:27:33 AM
Did I miss something? I thought Season’s End would be next. Is this a surprise to anyone but me?

They acknowledged it briefly on their facebook post that they hope to have Season's End released in 2023.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on July 20, 2022, 10:55:28 AM
Did I miss something? I thought Season’s End would be next. Is this a surprise to anyone but me?

Well, they seem to be going in a random order; I had hoped Season's End would be next, but I don't think anyone said definitively.  I missed out on Brave and Afraid...  (anyone got an extra copy they want to sell for some value less than my f-ing car?) so I'll buy this, but I'm waiting for Season's myself.  I want to hear The King Of Sunset Town in 5.1 really bad.

Brave and AOS are worth it, Stads.  Great stuff in there for sure.  I'm mad I missed out on the Clutching remaster.  I've got the Fugazi one, and I really don't like how they mixed the drums.  But, I think I'll grab this one and the Seasons End one.  I hope they include the live footage from Stoke Row to Ipanema and update that.  I wonder if they have the full show?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 20, 2022, 11:12:29 AM
Did I miss something? I thought Season’s End would be next. Is this a surprise to anyone but me?

Well, they seem to be going in a random order; I had hoped Season's End would be next, but I don't think anyone said definitively.  I missed out on Brave and Afraid...  (anyone got an extra copy they want to sell for some value less than my f-ing car?) so I'll buy this, but I'm waiting for Season's myself.  I want to hear The King Of Sunset Town in 5.1 really bad.

Brave and AOS are worth it, Stads.  Great stuff in there for sure.  I'm mad I missed out on the Clutching remaster.  I've got the Fugazi one, and I really don't like how they mixed the drums.  But, I think I'll grab this one and the Seasons End one.  I hope they include the live footage from Stoke Row to Ipanema and update that.  I wonder if they have the full show?

I have all four original ones; if you don't like the Fugazi mixes, be warned that on the Clutching package, the main album is a REMIX as well, and there are different vocals on there.  CaS is one of "those" albums for me; I know it SO well, inside and out, that the new vocals sometimes throw me for a loop.  But all the packages are great for what they are.

I'm going to keep looking for Brave and AoS, I just don't want to pay an arm and a leg for them.  I should have bought them from Racket when I had the chance. You snooze you lose. 

(Text me about Ipanema; the DVD has a complete show from DeMontfort Hall, Leicester, as well as some songs from another night there.  I've ripped that from the DVD.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on July 20, 2022, 12:07:01 PM
As a fairly new convert to the H era, mainly on the strength of the last three albums, I’ll pick this up. I really like HiE.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 20, 2022, 01:30:38 PM
As a fairly new convert to the H era, mainly on the strength of the last three albums, I’ll pick this up. I really like HiE.

Be curious at some point how the various H albums stack up for you.  I was there in real time when Season's End came out, so in a lot of ways it will always be my personal favorite, even if there are two or three I like the music better on.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 05, 2022, 09:05:44 PM
Brave is the only Deluxe I didn't bother with. (I bought the original and first remaster and wasn't going to sink any more money into that album. )

Glad I bought Afraid of Sunlight though. I'd warmed to about half of the album by that point and the live concert on it is killer.  Can't believe that there is a version of Cannibal Surf Babe that I can tolerate and dare I say possibly enjoy.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: MinistroRaven on September 15, 2022, 04:02:09 PM
Holidays in Eden remix/reissue date finally announced for September 16, 2022.

https://www.marillion.com/shop/albums/remast57.htm

This is the CD / Bluray version of a brand new (2022) Stereo & 5.1 Remix of Marillion's sixth album Holidays In Eden.
 
Disc One features a brand new stereo remix of the album by Stephen W Tayler.

Discs Two and Three feature the concert from the Hammersmith Odeon on 30th September 1991.

The blu-ray contains 48/24 stereo and LPCM 5.1 mixes and a DTS-HD Master 5.1 audio of the album. B-Sides and Bonus tracks are also included.

Video content consists of "Pain And Heaven" - an 85 minute documentary covering the making of the album.

Also included is the Rockpalast live performance from German TV (18 tracks) and the promotional videos for Cover My Eyes, No One Can and Dry Land.

Approximate running time is 3hrs 20mins.


Probably worth it for the concerts and the documentary alone, but I’m also always interested to see what the remix will be like.

This one comes out tomorrow
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 15, 2022, 10:16:46 PM
Got my copy from Racket delivered today. Checked out part of the documentary first, will give the album a listen tomorrow.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 17, 2022, 09:05:52 AM
Don’t have a 5.1 setup so can’t speak to that mix, but the stereo remix sounds great. It’s probably not going to make it one of your favorite Marillion albums if you didn’t like it before, but it does improve the sound as a whole (not that it sounded bad before). Pete’s bass sounds great (they didn’t just crank it up, but it has a bit more definition and space). The biggest improvement is in the atmospheric sections (Splintering Heart, The Rake’s Progress, 100 Nights), where all of the little details are brought out and just breath a little better. The other major standout is Waiting to Happen, where the acoustic guitar sounds much more full and lush. Overall, the remix puts a new shine on an album that I’ve come to really enjoy over time after not caring for it initially. It’s just a really nice mix of pop and prog, and very uniquely Marillion even with the poppier bits.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: devieira73 on September 17, 2022, 11:45:03 AM
I like Holidays... a lot. I think it could be an even better album with How Can I Hurt and Collection replacing Dry Land. About the remix, I loved it. My only complaint is that I miss that original "fat" drum sound (their drum sound from Misplaced to Holidays were the best from their discography IMO).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 17, 2022, 12:43:45 PM
I like Holidays... a lot. I think it could be an even better album with How Can I Hurt and Collection replacing Dry Land. About the remix, I loved it. My only complaint is that I miss that original "fat" drum sound (their drum sound from Misplaced to Holidays were the best from their discography IMO).

Man, Dry Land is one of my favorite Marillion tunes and How Can It Hurt is one of my least favorite! But A Collection is good! All of them are included in the original US version of the album. Didn’t think the drums sounded different on the remix, except maybe a bit on Cover My Eyes. I didn’t realize before watching the documentary that those were electronic drums that were sampled from Ian’s kit and basically assembled by Christopher Neil.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: devieira73 on September 17, 2022, 04:41:39 PM
Hahaha we have to disagree on Dry Land and How Can I Hurt then! I think Dry Land a bit too much on the pop side for my taste. Great chorus by Hogarth though.
Drum samplers really?! Anyway I don't think the drums are sounding bad in the remix, but I like more the bigger sound of the original.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 17, 2022, 04:51:24 PM
No One Can is the one that is too poppy for my tastes (it’s fine but not a favorite). Dry Land I thought struck a great balance between pop and atmosphere. The original How We Live version maybe does that even better.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on September 19, 2022, 06:29:42 AM
For someone that grew up in the Fish era - I bought Misplaced Childhood upon release, more or less - and was thrilled with both Season's End and Vigil In A Wilderness Of Mirrors, I can't tell you how disappointing the one-two punch of Internal Exile and Holidays In Eden were.  What happened to my heroes, that so effortlessly put out powerful, deep material like Slainte Mhath, and King Of Sunset Town and View From The Hill?   Internal Exile showed just how badly Fish needed the "base" of Marillion, and Holidays showed just how badly Marillion wanted to have hit singles (maybe, just maybe, Fish was right in that whole blowup that led to his leaving!)

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 19, 2022, 07:23:45 AM
For someone that grew up in the Fish era - I bought Misplaced Childhood upon release, more or less - and was thrilled with both Season's End and Vigil In A Wilderness Of Mirrors, I can't tell you how disappointing the one-two punch of Internal Exile and Holidays In Eden were.  What happened to my heroes, that so effortlessly put out powerful, deep material like Slainte Mhath, and King Of Sunset Town and View From The Hill?   Internal Exile showed just how badly Fish needed the "base" of Marillion, and Holidays showed just how badly Marillion wanted to have hit singles (maybe, just maybe, Fish was right in that whole blowup that led to his leaving!)

Some of this may be revisionist now, but the band attribute the desire for hits to the record label, and maybe to some extent to H who hadn’t really experienced commercial success before. Christopher Neil was pretty specifically instructed by the record company to come up with a hit track, and he definitely guided them that way. But I think he also was aware that they weren’t a pop band and aside from the songs that were kind of earmarked as “hits,” the band more or less did their thing. Ironically, the one song that was mostly H’s was The Party, and that’s one of the proggier things on the album (I always thought it could have been a part of Brave).

I think the finished product is really pretty much half and half pop and prog. You have the 4 obvious commercial tunes in Cover My Eyes, No One Can, Dry Land, and Waiting to Happen, and then the 4 more traditional Marillion type tunes in Splintering Heart, The Party, Holidays in Eden, and This Town trilogy. And then from my view, I think they knocked 3 of those more commercial tunes out of the park, with No One Can being the only one that felt like a step too far in the pop direction. Dry Land and Waiting to Happen in particular are really lovely songs, and Cover My Eyes has always been one of my favorites from the album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on September 19, 2022, 07:42:14 AM
Of the "hits", only Waiting To Happen hits the mark for me.  "Cover My Eyes" is just screechy to me and while I LOVE Hogarth's voice usually, that is one of my least favorite of his vocals. That "Pay-ay-ay-ay-ain... Heh, heh, eaven!" melody is as awkward as me talking to a supermodel.

I don't mind hits.  I don't mind a band wanting to have success.  I get that.  I just think that you have to have some thread to the core of the band.  "Kayleigh" and "Sugar Mice" were hits but they were also integral to the Fish vision of the band.   "Neverland" is, if not a hit, then at least a song that had broader resonance and it was true to the spirit of what Marbles was about.  I think Holidays was SUCH a departure, with no real walk-up, that it really missed the mark.

I too have heard that about Christopher Neil (it was in the booklet on the '98 remasters, if memory serves; if it wasn't there, then it was in the doc with the "Ipanema" show). 

I celebrate Marillion for not putting out the same album over and over.  But I think there's a spirit, a core of the band that isn't what it was for the first five years.  They were a "prog" band in every sense of the word; see the "Genesis" complaints (even though I always thought it was more Floyd than Genesis).  Mark Kelly isn't a prog keyboardist anymore; in a real sense, he's a DJ, triggering sounds and what not.  Look at the recent documentaries showing their prep for tours. His entire gig is really setting up sounds and triggers and samples.  I think Holidays was the first real glimpse or insight into that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 19, 2022, 08:13:53 AM
I celebrate Marillion for not putting out the same album over and over.  But I think there's a spirit, a core of the band that isn't what it was for the first five years.  They were a "prog" band in every sense of the word; see the "Genesis" complaints (even though I always thought it was more Floyd than Genesis).  Mark Kelly isn't a prog keyboardist anymore; in a real sense, he's a DJ, triggering sounds and what not.  Look at the recent documentaries showing their prep for tours. His entire gig is really setting up sounds and triggers and samples.  I think Holidays was the first real glimpse or insight into that.

I think the bigger shift happened with This Strange Engine, where they really seemed to start digging around for a new identity. But I can see what you mean with the beginnings being laid here. One of the guys mentions in the documentary that the lessons learned from HiE helped them make Afraid of Sunlight, which I thought was a little interesting. That is in many ways a less proggy album, but not exactly poppy either.  It’s also one that was heavily influenced and steered by the producer for whatever it’s worth.

The funny thing about Mark Kelly, every now and then he tries to slip in some more proggy keyboard bits, and I feel like it doesn’t go over well with either the fans or the band (see Interior Lulu). I think he may actually be the biggest prog guy in the band at this point (maybe Pete too). Have you heard his Marathon album? It’s much more traditional neo-prog. But he is very much into the programming side of things as well. There is sort of a running gag in the band about his live performances as well (that he sort of mails it in is what I gather).

I’ll also say Rothery has had a big role in Marillion’s more programmed bits. He came up with the loop that started Splintering Heart, and he also programmed the initial drum loops that were the foundation for much of Anoraknophobia.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on September 19, 2022, 08:41:44 AM
I celebrate Marillion for not putting out the same album over and over.  But I think there's a spirit, a core of the band that isn't what it was for the first five years.  They were a "prog" band in every sense of the word; see the "Genesis" complaints (even though I always thought it was more Floyd than Genesis).  Mark Kelly isn't a prog keyboardist anymore; in a real sense, he's a DJ, triggering sounds and what not.  Look at the recent documentaries showing their prep for tours. His entire gig is really setting up sounds and triggers and samples.  I think Holidays was the first real glimpse or insight into that.

I think the bigger shift happened with This Strange Engine, where they really seemed to start digging around for a new identity. But I can see what you mean with the beginnings being laid here. One of the guys mentions in the documentary that the lessons learned from HiE helped them make Afraid of Sunlight, which I thought was a little interesting. That is in many ways a less proggy album, but not exactly poppy either.  It’s also one that was heavily influenced and steered by the producer for whatever it’s worth.

I can't remember exactly what the time frame was, but I think it was around this time where every interview (I'm being a little facetious, but not much) seemed to include a bit where they tried to show their bona fides by claiming how they liked Massive Attack as much as they liked Genesis and Pink Floyd.  I remember thinking, "okay, I get it. Now get back to making music, willya?"

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The funny thing about Mark Kelly, every now and then he tries to slip in some more proggy keyboard bits, and I feel like it doesn’t go over well with either the fans or the band (see Interior Lulu). I think he may actually be the biggest prog guy in the band at this point (maybe Pete too). Have you heard his Marathon album? It’s much more traditional neo-prog. But he is very much into the programming side of things as well. There is sort of a running gag in the band about his live performances as well (that he sort of mails it in is what I gather).

I’ll also say Rothery has had a big role in Marillion’s more programmed bits. He came up with the loop that started Splintering Heart, and he also programmed the initial drum loops that were the foundation for much of Anoraknophobia.

I've honestly stayed away from almost all the Marillion solo stuff; I don't know why, I've never heard it so I can't complain about it, but I'm a critical listener with Marillion now, and I do watch a lot of the behind the scenes stuff.  I sat through (agonizingly!) about 30 minutes of a doc about Kelly programming his sounds and while I get it on one level - Tony Banks does the same thing - there are also moments with Tony where he's in another world just playing PIANO.  I never get that from Mark Kelly. I could be totally wrong, I've never met him* but I get a different vibe from him, like he wants so badly to be liked and so badly to have his music hit the charts that he's not really invested in any one part of the MUSIC.  Maybe I should change that idea.  I know I had heard good things about The Ghost of Pripyat or whatever it's called (Rothery's solo record), so maybe I should be fairer to Mark as well.  I just know that for me, the epic period of Marillion ended with Afraid Of Sunlight.  I checked out with TSE for years (Estonia is really the only song from TSE I like) and only came back with Marbles, but they then lost me immediately with Somewhere Else, and have never really fully regained my trust.  I do like parts of .com, the remix of Radiation is really good, and I dig parts of Anoraknophobia ("Separated Out" would be a top 15, top 20 song were we to do a countdown). 

You talked about producers; it depends on WHAT producer.  Bob Ezrin HEAVILY influences whatever work he does, but the albums are almost universally excellent, and bring out the best in that artist (Destroyer, Peter Gabriel I, all of Alice Cooper, Get Your Wings (even though he didn't get credit; he introduced the band to Jack Douglas and did attend some of the sessions).  For me, I would pay MONEY to see Marillion work with Dave Meegan again.  The albums he's done with them are usually my favorites, even if the styles are adventurous (like Anoraknophobia). 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 19, 2022, 09:06:40 AM
Ghosts of Pripyat is pretty good. Not sure it’s anything that would blow you away but it has a certain moodiness and atmosphere to it. I personally like the two The Wishing Tree albums a lot, but your interest level would probably depend on what you think about Hannah Stobart’s voice.

Mark Kelly’s Marathon was interesting to me, but I can’t say it’s my favorite thing ever. There is one really good track (Puppets) that features some nice Steve Rothery solos though, which is pretty much worth the price of admission
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on September 19, 2022, 09:50:33 AM
Just reporting in to say I saw the band on the first night of the UK tour last night. Excellent show. H was in great voice.

Earlier in the day I also went to a gig by a Fish era tribute band, called Cillirion, who were very good too.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on September 19, 2022, 11:47:54 AM
On all things HiE related:

I think the electronic drums were only used on the singles, as I've noticed a difference between the three singles (Cover My Eyes, No One Can, Dry Land) and the rest of the album in terms of the drum sound.  Everything else was Ian's acoustic kit.

Speaking of the desire for hit singles, I know H likes to play it off like it's not a big deal, but I really do think he wanted a greater degree of fame than he got. Maybe it's me, but I've always sensed a hint of envy in songs like Deserve, 3-Minute Boy, etc, or even in interviews where he mentions people like Sting.  He tries to play it off, but there's always a little bit of jealousy in his musings on fame.

I was so used to the American track listing that hearing the remaster with the original order threw me off for a long time.  I ended up making a playlist from the late 90's remaster series that had the US running order.  I like the flow with Cover My Eyes and No One Can kicking off the album and then the drastic feel change with Splintering Heart.  Feels kinda similar to the feel change from Jigsaw into Emerald Lies on Fugazi.

Stads mentioned Tony Banks, and I think Steve Rothery is very much the Tony Banks of Marillion, as in, the band doesn't do what Steve doesn't want to do. 

As far as Mark being the main prog guy in the band, I think that was most evident in the live versions of the This Town trilogy.  They usually stretched out The Rakes Progress live (they did when I saw them on the TourFund tour), and that's when Mark got to get in some of the more "widdly bits" as he calls them.  Otherwise, he's pretty low key on HiE. Hogarth, I think he's into the proggy, experimental stuff as well, but I think he comes from a different approach than Mark.  I think that's why he and Richard Barbieri work well together outside of the band. 

Beyond that, I love the parallels between the 4 Fish albums and the first 4 Hogarth albums.

Script and Seasons: First album for each singer.  Lots of material written prior to member(s) joining.  A few 8 minute epics.
Fugazi and Holidays: Difficult second album, kinda short on material for both, pressure to live up to the prior album.
Misplaced and Brave: Concept albums with children as part of the theme.  Band is unified in terms of the direction. 
Clutching and AOS: Thematically linked albums concerned mainly with the darker side of fame.  Big changes lurking around the corner for the band.   

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 19, 2022, 12:25:27 PM
I definitely think H wanted to be a rock star/pop star, and that you can hear that play out in his music. He talks about it somewhat frequently on his podcast. At this stage in life, I think he appreciates that not becoming big and famous actually contributed to his and the band’s longevity, and their ability to make music on their own terms without having to consider popular appeal and record company demands, etc. But there is still a hint of Uncle Rico when he talks about it. I think generally Afraid of Sunlight was sort of his coping mechanism, and you still hear him talk about avoiding the perils of fame today. It’s an “I may not be famous, but I’m not in jail, playing in a sandbox, or dead!” sort of thing. I also think he got a lot of personal satisfaction out of the band playing the Royal Albert Hall, which might have been the closest thing to “arriving” in his career.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on September 19, 2022, 01:22:37 PM
@HOF.  Great observations!  Also, because of that longevity, one could argue that their current profile is as high as it's been since the Fish years.  Seeing a band like them still producing valid work is its own selling point.  Regardless of what I think of their last few albums, I also feel the fact that they haven't succumbed to being a nostalgia act is one of the driving forces behind their higher profile now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on September 19, 2022, 01:43:40 PM
Speaking of the desire for hit singles, I know H likes to play it off like it's not a big deal, but I really do think he wanted a greater degree of fame than he got. Maybe it's me, but I've always sensed a hint of envy in songs like Deserve, 3-Minute Boy, etc, or even in interviews where he mentions people like Sting.  He tries to play it off, but there's always a little bit of jealousy in his musings on fame.

I TOTALLY agree with this.   

Quote
Script and Seasons: First album for each singer.  Lots of material written prior to member(s) joining.  A few 8 minute epics.
Fugazi and Holidays: Difficult second album, kinda short on material for both, pressure to live up to the prior album.
Misplaced and Brave: Concept albums with children as part of the theme.  Band is unified in terms of the direction. 
Clutching and AOS: Thematically linked albums concerned mainly with the darker side of fame.  Big changes lurking around the corner for the band.

And this too!!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on September 25, 2022, 05:47:51 PM
Got the HiE package this weekend, and I watched the documentary this morning, and then played the album and the live set this afternoon. The documentary was pretty cool.  Nothing too surprising, but it was cool to hear that Ian had the most sympathy for H during the early writing stages because he had worked in a similar fashion prior to joining Marillion during the Fugazi sessions.  It was also interesting to hear Rothery’s comments on things, as it seems he’s not really happy with how the album turned out aside from his solos.  The remix of the album is refreshing though, as I feel it adds the edge to the material developed in a live setting, as well as some added punch in the drums.  And the live set included is really solid as well.  My only complaint being that H’s voice and style doesn’t really play well with the melodies Fish sang on Blind Curve and Lords of the Backstage.  Otherwise, it’s great to hear H in his prime vocally.  He was my favorite singer for so many years, and is still, in my opinion, one of the greatest frontmen of all time.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 01, 2022, 08:37:38 PM
Ghosts of Pripyat is pretty good. Not sure it’s anything that would blow you away but it has a certain moodiness and atmosphere to it. I personally like the two The Wishing Tree albums a lot, but your interest level would probably depend on what you think about Hannah Stobart’s voice.

Mark Kelly’s Marathon was interesting to me, but I can’t say it’s my favorite thing ever. There is one really good track (Puppets) that features some nice Steve Rothery solos though, which is pretty much worth the price of admission

I like Ghost of Pripyat (and less so the Wishing Tree albums)but I really love Rothery's Live releases from that album....Live in Rome and Live in London. Also love the Edison's Children releases and Postmankind. I can't wait for the next one and would really love his band to play some gigs in the US.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 01, 2022, 08:48:41 PM
On all things HiE related:


Speaking of the desire for hit singles, I know H likes to play it off like it's not a big deal, but I really do think he wanted a greater degree of fame than he got. Maybe it's me, but I've always sensed a hint of envy in songs like Deserve, 3-Minute Boy, etc, or even in interviews where he mentions people like Sting.  He tries to play it off, but there's always a little bit of jealousy in his musings on fame.



That was the one thing that never sat well with me with Hogarth live, at least the early years live. He didn't seem to me to be on the same wavelength as the rest of the band. As time went on I think he seemed to make peace with it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 01, 2022, 08:58:38 PM
As far as the reissue itself goes, I changed things up a bit with this one. Instead of diving straight into the live material like I usually do I listened to the remix a bunch of times first and I while there's a few things that we changed that I didn't like, I think the remix is mostly and improvement of the original. It sounds less dated and more organic. The doc was OK but I kind of get annoyed that they take a lot of the liner notes straight from the doc which to me comes off as a bit lazy. it's going to be great to dig into the live material which I know is going to be great.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on October 01, 2022, 09:07:56 PM
For someone that grew up in the Fish era - I bought Misplaced Childhood upon release, more or less - and was thrilled with both Season's End and Vigil In A Wilderness Of Mirrors, I can't tell you how disappointing the one-two punch of Internal Exile and Holidays In Eden were.  What happened to my heroes, that so effortlessly put out powerful, deep material like Slainte Mhath, and King Of Sunset Town and View From The Hill?   Internal Exile showed just how badly Fish needed the "base" of Marillion, and Holidays showed just how badly Marillion wanted to have hit singles (maybe, just maybe, Fish was right in that whole blowup that led to his leaving!)

I experienced this exact same thing, but for me it happened an album later with Brave and Songs From The Mirror. Those albums are what stopped me from being the collector I had been. The subsequent albums (Afraid Of Sunlight and Suits) were marginal improvements Fortunately both Fish and the band seemed to get back on the rails with Sunsets On Empire and This Strange Engine which I think are both top albums.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on October 19, 2022, 02:27:47 PM
just got the Deluxe Holidays in Eden in the mail today. Can’t wait to dig into it later. The live
stuff has been my favourite bits of these reissues as well. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 12, 2022, 05:15:50 PM
just got the Deluxe Holidays in Eden in the mail today. Can’t wait to dig into it later. The live
stuff has been my favourite bits of these reissues as well.

The live material is great. Steven W. Taylor did a great job with the studio album too. In most cases, I didn't like much of the remixes, but in this case I do.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on December 16, 2022, 10:01:42 PM
Some folks may be interested in H's annual live-streamed H Natural Christmas concert. Tomorrow afternoon in the states, but you can stream it for up to a week afterwards. Costs about $20 USD. Kind of a cool setting and he always pulls out some interesting songs (some Marillion, some songs from his solo album or previous bands, some covers, some Christmas songs, etc.)

https://marillionvod.uscreen.io/programs/hnatural2022?fbclid=IwAR2HSVBK3EtCTiAKvdttjPOETGXAkkwAJjXgbNo_7y52GmkqInyFZPmwV70

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 17, 2022, 04:30:45 PM
Some folks may be interested in H's annual live-streamed H Natural Christmas concert. Tomorrow afternoon in the states, but you can stream it for up to a week afterwards. Costs about $20 USD. Kind of a cool setting and he always pulls out some interesting songs (some Marillion, some songs from his solo album or previous bands, some covers, some Christmas songs, etc.)

https://marillionvod.uscreen.io/programs/hnatural2022?fbclid=IwAR2HSVBK3EtCTiAKvdttjPOETGXAkkwAJjXgbNo_7y52GmkqInyFZPmwV70

Go the email.  I'd consider it if it were free.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on December 17, 2022, 06:13:20 PM
Some folks may be interested in H's annual live-streamed H Natural Christmas concert. Tomorrow afternoon in the states, but you can stream it for up to a week afterwards. Costs about $20 USD. Kind of a cool setting and he always pulls out some interesting songs (some Marillion, some songs from his solo album or previous bands, some covers, some Christmas songs, etc.)

https://marillionvod.uscreen.io/programs/hnatural2022?fbclid=IwAR2HSVBK3EtCTiAKvdttjPOETGXAkkwAJjXgbNo_7y52GmkqInyFZPmwV70

Go the email.  I'd consider it if it were free.

I get enough free entertainment out of H’s podcast that I don’t mind dropping a $20 for this. It was a really nice concert, with a special appearance by Mark Kelly and some fun covers (Rocket Man, Karma Police, Cloudbusting, and a rousing sing along rendition of All You Need Is Love). I believe you can watch it for up to another week, but not sure if you had to buy the ticket before the show or not.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 06, 2023, 09:57:15 PM
Some folks may be interested in H's annual live-streamed H Natural Christmas concert. Tomorrow afternoon in the states, but you can stream it for up to a week afterwards. Costs about $20 USD. Kind of a cool setting and he always pulls out some interesting songs (some Marillion, some songs from his solo album or previous bands, some covers, some Christmas songs, etc.)

https://marillionvod.uscreen.io/programs/hnatural2022?fbclid=IwAR2HSVBK3EtCTiAKvdttjPOETGXAkkwAJjXgbNo_7y52GmkqInyFZPmwV70

Go the email.  I'd consider it if it were free.

I get enough free entertainment out of H’s podcast that I don’t mind dropping a $20 for this. It was a really nice concert, with a special appearance by Mark Kelly and some fun covers (Rocket Man, Karma Police, Cloudbusting, and a rousing sing along rendition of All You Need Is Love). I believe you can watch it for up to another week, but not sure if you had to buy the ticket before the show or not.

I did drop about $20 on the Marillion live stream in 2021 and enjoyed that. Did the Fish one too that year and I just got a notification that the CD/DVD package of that show just shipped.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 15, 2023, 07:47:43 PM
Not really Marillion news, but Fish announced he isn't coming to North America in '24 for his farewell tour. Not surprised, but still kinda bummed about it. Have to figure the show will be recorded at least.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 15, 2023, 09:04:00 PM
yeah not surprised.

I have never seen him live and likely never will. But I've come to grips with that. My likely only good chance would have been that tour he did in 2008? I believe when he played in Milwaukee, but I couldn't afford 2 trips in such a short window of time as I recall the Liquid Tension Experiment show in Chicago was like 8 days before it, and I had bought a ticket for that show before Fish even announced his tour.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 21, 2023, 07:17:35 AM
Seasons End deluxe re-issue preorder is now live:

https://marillion.com/shop/albums/remast63.htm

Disc One features a brand new stereo remix of the album by Michael Hunter.

Discs Two and Three feature the full Sunday night concert from the Marillion Weekend 2022 in Leicester which included the album performed in it's entirety.

The blu-ray contains 48/24 stereo and LPCM 5.1 mixes and a DTS-HD Master 5.1 audio of the album. B-Sides and Bonus tracks are also included. Also included is a "Bootleg Mix" of the 1990 concerts in Montreal.

Video content consists of "Seasons Change" - an 85 minute documentary covering the making of the album.

Also included is the full "From Stoke Row To Ipanema" documentary, the full Rock Steady live performance and the promotional videos for Hooks In You, Easter, and The Uninvited Guest.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on March 21, 2023, 08:06:01 AM
The deluxe additions that have come out so far always contained a full concert from the era in question. So this one containing the album performed in full from a much later show is a bit unusual. Maybe they didn’t have anything from H’s first tour that they thought was viable?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on March 21, 2023, 08:14:15 AM
The deluxe additions that have come out so far always contained a full concert from the era in question. So this one containing the album performed in full from a much later show is a bit unusual. Maybe they didn’t have anything from H’s first tour that they thought was viable?

There's a fair amount out there from the Front Row series, though.  I'm wondering if the full package of "Stoke Row" is there, because there's a full concert on the bonus disk of that DVD set. 

This is the one I was looking forward to the most, honestly.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 21, 2023, 10:03:57 AM
The deluxe additions that have come out so far always contained a full concert from the era in question. So this one containing the album performed in full from a much later show is a bit unusual. Maybe they didn’t have anything from H’s first tour that they thought was viable?

There's a fair amount out there from the Front Row series, though.  I'm wondering if the full package of "Stoke Row" is there, because there's a full concert on the bonus disk of that DVD set. 

This is the one I was looking forward to the most, honestly.

Yeah, the full Stoke Row DVD was almost 2 and a half hours long. Can you fit that much on a Blue Ray (along with another 83 minute documentary, the Rock Steady concert, and the all the demos, music videos, etc.)?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on March 21, 2023, 10:07:01 AM
The deluxe additions that have come out so far always contained a full concert from the era in question. So this one containing the album performed in full from a much later show is a bit unusual. Maybe they didn’t have anything from H’s first tour that they thought was viable?

There's a fair amount out there from the Front Row series, though.  I'm wondering if the full package of "Stoke Row" is there, because there's a full concert on the bonus disk of that DVD set. 

This is the one I was looking forward to the most, honestly.

Yeah, the full Stoke Row DVD was almost 2 and a half hours long. Can you fit that much on a Blue Ray (along with another 83 minute documentary, the Rock Steady concert, and the all the demos, music videos, etc.)?

According to a quick Google search - "On average, a 25GB Blu-ray disc can hold 135 minutes of HD video using MPEG-2 compression format plus 2 hours of bonus material in standard definition quality or 10 hours of standard definition video."

Assuming the new set uses standard BD discs, and that the Stoke Row show is standard definition video quality, they could easily put that all on there if it doesn't all exceed 10 hours and is all SD footage.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on March 24, 2023, 10:00:04 PM
The deluxe additions that have come out so far always contained a full concert from the era in question. So this one containing the album performed in full from a much later show is a bit unusual. Maybe they didn’t have anything from H’s first tour that they thought was viable?

That is a bit of a departure, but maybe it's a great performance. (Have not heard it myself.)  There's plenty out there from the first tour. Have some of it already. I was hoping Stephen W. Taylor would have worked on this one since he did such a great job with Holidays in Eden, but I guess that's not the case.

For me I'm most looking forward to the "Bootleg Mix" of the Montreal show. I may have the video of that though, I'd have to check. Might be Quebec City. Other than than that there doesn't seem to be two many surprises.


Somewhat related, The last two Fish on Fridays have featured the original notebooks of Fish's lyrics from Script and Clutching At Straws respectively.

Also the deluxe editions of Vigil and Internal Exile are due out this year. Fish is claiming that postage rates to the US through negotiations have been reduced  by 37 to 50 percent.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on March 24, 2023, 10:11:53 PM
Lucy did confirm on Facebook that they couldn’t find a high enough audio quality recording from the era to include in the set, so they chose to go with the recent convention performance (which it appears will not be getting a full release otherwise).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on April 07, 2023, 12:23:54 PM
Lucy did confirm on Facebook that they couldn’t find a high enough audio quality recording from the era to include in the set, so they chose to go with the recent convention performance (which it appears will not be getting a full release otherwise).

Better than nothing I suppose. But I'd have preferred something more in context. Not a deal breaker though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: UndercoverMyung on April 21, 2023, 10:28:57 AM
Thinking about how much I hope Marillion returns to the US before they retire... I'd love to see them
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 21, 2023, 10:55:45 AM
I think they will given how they have periodically over the last 25 years. They just need to find ways to do it without losing money.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on April 21, 2023, 11:02:18 AM
Thinking about how much I hope Marillion returns to the US before they retire... I'd love to see them

It's been almost 26 years since I last saw them live.  I regret not going to see them on the Marbles tour, because I really should have.  I did see them 3 times in 5 days on the TSE Tour Fund tour in the US, and that was awesome.  For me, I'd want a set of primarily songs from Brave, AOS and Marbles, and a smattering of selections from other albums, but I don't think that's where they are at right now. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on April 21, 2023, 01:34:37 PM
I think they will given how they have periodically over the last 25 years. They just need to find ways to do it without losing money.

I was always confused on how they lost money. So many other foreign bands do so and do fairly well, especially based on the fact that they keep returning, even though they're in smaller venues. Marillion played solid places, and sold well afaik. The SF show from the FEAR tour was in a 1.5k capacity place and sold out. (granted it was the first show of the album and tour)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on April 21, 2023, 03:22:33 PM
I think they will given how they have periodically over the last 25 years. They just need to find ways to do it without losing money.

I was always confused on how they lost money. So many other foreign bands do so and do fairly well, especially based on the fact that they keep returning, even though they're in smaller venues. Marillion played solid places, and sold well afaik. The SF show from the FEAR tour was in a 1.5k capacity place and sold out. (granted it was the first show of the album and tour)

Yeah, I think they probably were financially able to do it for the first time in a long time when FEAR came out. I'm sure lots of foreign bands who do tour the US do so at a loss playing tiny venues (unless they are a massive band). Marillion at a certain point in their career were probably not going to do a small club gig of the US, and it just took them a while to be in a place where they could afford the financial risk of a bigger US tour. Even now I'd guess a tour like that might be more break even than a money maker. And visa rules have recently gotten even more restrictive/expensive for foreign artists, so they may or may not be back again. The best bet for US fans to see Marillion is when they come to Montreal probably.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on April 21, 2023, 03:26:52 PM
I think they will given how they have periodically over the last 25 years. They just need to find ways to do it without losing money.

I was always confused on how they lost money. So many other foreign bands do so and do fairly well, especially based on the fact that they keep returning, even though they're in smaller venues. Marillion played solid places, and sold well afaik. The SF show from the FEAR tour was in a 1.5k capacity place and sold out. (granted it was the first show of the album and tour)

Yeah me too.  I think part of it is just they don't want to take the risk.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on April 21, 2023, 04:30:01 PM
I think they will given how they have periodically over the last 25 years. They just need to find ways to do it without losing money.

I was always confused on how they lost money. So many other foreign bands do so and do fairly well, especially based on the fact that they keep returning, even though they're in smaller venues. Marillion played solid places, and sold well afaik. The SF show from the FEAR tour was in a 1.5k capacity place and sold out. (granted it was the first show of the album and tour)

Yeah, I think they probably were financially able to do it for the first time in a long time when FEAR came out. I'm sure lots of foreign bands who do tour the US do so at a loss playing tiny venues (unless they are a massive band). Marillion at a certain point in their career were probably not going to do a small club gig of the US, and it just took them a while to be in a place where they could afford the financial risk of a bigger US tour. Even now I'd guess a tour like that might be more break even than a money maker. And visa rules have recently gotten even more restrictive/expensive for foreign artists, so they may or may not be back again. The best bet for US fans to see Marillion is when they come to Montreal probably.

I figured the Montreal weekend is my best shot...and being a west coast dude, that'll probably be a minimum 2k trip with flight and hotel. I love the band, but that's pushing the limit for me for a band I've already seen 4 times.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 21, 2023, 04:38:39 PM
I think they will given how they have periodically over the last 25 years. They just need to find ways to do it without losing money.

I was always confused on how they lost money. So many other foreign bands do so and do fairly well, especially based on the fact that they keep returning, even though they're in smaller venues. Marillion played solid places, and sold well afaik. The SF show from the FEAR tour was in a 1.5k capacity place and sold out. (granted it was the first show of the album and tour)

Yeah, I think they probably were financially able to do it for the first time in a long time when FEAR came out. I'm sure lots of foreign bands who do tour the US do so at a loss playing tiny venues (unless they are a massive band). Marillion at a certain point in their career were probably not going to do a small club gig of the US, and it just took them a while to be in a place where they could afford the financial risk of a bigger US tour. Even now I'd guess a tour like that might be more break even than a money maker. And visa rules have recently gotten even more restrictive/expensive for foreign artists, so they may or may not be back again. The best bet for US fans to see Marillion is when they come to Montreal probably.

I figured the Montreal weekend is my best shot...and being a west coast dude, that'll probably be a minimum 2k trip with flight and hotel. I love the band, but that's pushing the limit for me for a band I've already seen 4 times.

yep, very easily $2,000 between airfare, hotel, the tickets for the weekend, merch, food and transportation.

I was considering it for awhile until they came here on the Marbles tour. I saw them on in 2012 twice and then once in 2016 again. All shows in Chicago.

I dunno, they may crowd fund it like they did with the COVID insurance last year to avoid losing money. I just think their pattern is to make it over to the North America beyond a Fan Weekend, every 5-10 years this century. i know the Visa issues for musicians coming here have become more stringey, but that is why I wonder if they'll try to crowd fund something again.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ronnibran on April 26, 2023, 03:10:32 PM
I'm really late to the Marillion party...  It wasn't until last year that I listened to "Misplaced Childhood" and wondered where it has been my whole life.  From there naturally I also got into "Clutching at Straws". 

Finally today randomly put on a post-Fish album, "Seasons End".  Holy crap.  Amazing album.  I'm pretty sure "King of Sunset Town" is my current temporary favorite song lol.  Looking forward to diving into more of the catalog.  Maybe I just needed to find an album I like to get into the singer (like it's an acquired taste or something).  Can't believe how many albums they have haha.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on April 26, 2023, 03:11:49 PM
I'm really late to the Marillion party...  It wasn't until last year that I listened to "Misplaced Childhood" and wondered where it has been my whole life.  From there naturally I also got into "Clutching at Straws". 

Finally today randomly put on a post-Fish album, "Seasons End".  Holy crap.  Amazing album.  I'm pretty sure "King of Sunset Town" is my current temporary favorite song lol.  Looking forward to diving into more of the catalog.  Maybe I just needed to find an album I like to get into the singer (like it's an acquired taste or something).  Can't believe how many albums they have haha.

Brave next. In a dark room with headphones on. Trust me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: nick_z on April 26, 2023, 03:18:56 PM
I'm really late to the Marillion party...  It wasn't until last year that I listened to "Misplaced Childhood" and wondered where it has been my whole life.  From there naturally I also got into "Clutching at Straws". 

Finally today randomly put on a post-Fish album, "Seasons End".  Holy crap.  Amazing album.  I'm pretty sure "King of Sunset Town" is my current temporary favorite song lol.  Looking forward to diving into more of the catalog.  Maybe I just needed to find an album I like to get into the singer (like it's an acquired taste or something).  Can't believe how many albums they have haha.

Brave next. In a dark room with headphones on. Trust me.

I concur. Another fantastic album, along the ones you’ve already hit.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on April 26, 2023, 03:26:02 PM
I'm really late to the Marillion party...  It wasn't until last year that I listened to "Misplaced Childhood" and wondered where it has been my whole life.  From there naturally I also got into "Clutching at Straws". 

Finally today randomly put on a post-Fish album, "Seasons End".  Holy crap.  Amazing album.  I'm pretty sure "King of Sunset Town" is my current temporary favorite song lol.  Looking forward to diving into more of the catalog.  Maybe I just needed to find an album I like to get into the singer (like it's an acquired taste or something).  Can't believe how many albums they have haha.

Brave next. In a dark room with headphones on. Trust me.


So... when artists write in their own liner notes "Play it loud!" or "Play it with headphones!" I always cringe, but if memory serves, it says exactly what Lonestar advised in the liner notes to the original album Brave, and sonofabitch if they weren't right. Listen to Lonestar and trust him. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on April 26, 2023, 03:35:37 PM
I'm really late to the Marillion party...  It wasn't until last year that I listened to "Misplaced Childhood" and wondered where it has been my whole life.  From there naturally I also got into "Clutching at Straws". 

Finally today randomly put on a post-Fish album, "Seasons End".  Holy crap.  Amazing album.  I'm pretty sure "King of Sunset Town" is my current temporary favorite song lol.  Looking forward to diving into more of the catalog.  Maybe I just needed to find an album I like to get into the singer (like it's an acquired taste or something).  Can't believe how many albums they have haha.

Brave next. In a dark room with headphones on. Trust me.


So... when artists write in their own liner notes "Play it loud!" or "Play it with headphones!" I always cringe, but if memory serves, it says exactly what Lonestar advised in the liner notes to the original album Brave, and sonofabitch if they weren't right. Listen to Lonestar and trust him.


Yeah...there's so much layered into the album that really make it come alive. From the opening spot and the water lapping up on the shore, with the foghorn in the distance, to the whispered dialogue throughout, they paid so much attention to every detail of this album, and it shows.


Listen to Lonestar and trust him.

That's getting sig'd...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on April 26, 2023, 03:37:07 PM
Yeah, I think it would be good to go to Brave and then Afraid of Sunlight next, but eventually circle back to Holidays in Eden because I think it's still a really strong album if a bit of a pop detour (not a bad thing in my book). But Brave and Afraid of Sunlight are their masterpieces, IMO.

Lots of people struggle with the catalog between Afraid of Sunlight and their next masterpiece, Marbles, but there's something on each album that I love.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Mladen on April 26, 2023, 03:37:54 PM
I like Brave, but I don't love it. Maybe I should try lonestar's approach.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 26, 2023, 03:57:39 PM
I would go to Sunlight and Marbles after Seasons End.

Brave is 1 I think can be appreciated most not expecting albums like Misplaced Childhood or Seasons End as it is so much about the concept and story, even though the tunes are still there, but there's more to it, to just expect a bunch of bangers right away might be unfair to it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on April 26, 2023, 05:47:29 PM
I would go to Sunlight and Marbles after Seasons End.

Brave is 1 I think can be appreciated most not expecting albums like Misplaced Childhood or Seasons End as it is so much about the concept and story, even though the tunes are still there, but there's more to it, to just expect a bunch of bangers right away might be unfair to it.

I’d say just be aware going into Brave that it’s a somewhat less immediate album, but the payoff is huge if you give it the time and attention.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ronnibran on April 26, 2023, 06:54:14 PM
Sounds like there’s a lot to check out. Thanks for the suggestions!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on April 27, 2023, 12:01:56 AM
I like Brave, but I don't love it. Maybe I should try lonestar's approach.
This approach to albums like Brave is the only way to immerse yourself into the music properly in my opinion. Especially listening for the first time.

I would go to Sunlight and Marbles after Seasons End.

Brave is 1 I think can be appreciated most not expecting albums like Misplaced Childhood or Seasons End as it is so much about the concept and story, even though the tunes are still there, but there's more to it, to just expect a bunch of bangers right away might be unfair to it.
This is actually the way I'd go as well. And then Brave after Marbles. Then go back and catch all the other ones in chronological order. There are gems on all their albums.

Marbles is my favorite album of all time, so I'm a little biased here.....full disclosure and all...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on April 27, 2023, 03:41:55 AM
I really love Sounds That Can't be Made, I think that's a stormer. It's a little alienating putting the long song, Gaza, up front, but it somehow works. And The Sky Above the Rain is just beautiful. I do wish they'd find a better mixing engineer, though. Dave Meegan knew how to make albums sound beautiful, Mike Hunter is a cloth eared clod when it comes to mixing (he mixes the live stuff OK, though).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on April 27, 2023, 07:06:24 AM
I really love Sounds That Can't be Made, I think that's a stormer. It's a little alienating putting the long song, Gaza, up front, but it somehow works. And The Sky Above the Rain is just beautiful. I do wish they'd find a better mixing engineer, though. Dave Meegan knew how to make albums sound beautiful, Mike Hunter is a cloth eared clod when it comes to mixing (he mixes the live stuff OK, though).

I know there was some... stress with Meegan's approach (he would catalogue EVERYTHING and pull shit out of his ear late in the process, and was sort of... not demanding, but insistent on putting pieces in that maybe the band wasn't 100% keen on) but in the H era, the Meegan albums are superior, IMO. 

I also know that I checked out of Marillion with This Strange Engine, and only came back with Marbles, a fantastic album.  They're starting to lose me again, though, I must say (I only just bought the latest, and honestly haven't listened to it yet).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on April 27, 2023, 07:32:23 AM
I really love Sounds That Can't be Made, I think that's a stormer. It's a little alienating putting the long song, Gaza, up front, but it somehow works. And The Sky Above the Rain is just beautiful. I do wish they'd find a better mixing engineer, though. Dave Meegan knew how to make albums sound beautiful, Mike Hunter is a cloth eared clod when it comes to mixing (he mixes the live stuff OK, though).

I really like Gaza for what it is, but it kind of sucks all the oxygen out of the room and doesn’t play so well on Sounds That Can’t Be Made. I almost always skip it when listening to the album and tend to only listen to Gaza as a stand alone. It just doesn’t seem to fit with the rest of that album (which I think is very good overall).

I also know that I checked out of Marillion with This Strange Engine, and only came back with Marbles, a fantastic album.  They're starting to lose me again, though, I must say (I only just bought the latest, and honestly haven't listened to it yet).

I’m still really loving An Hour Before It’s Dark and think it is potentially up there with the best of Marillion. It also suffers from having a difficult opening track though. I don’t get much out of Be Hard On Yourself musically and it goes on way too long for what it is. But everything after that is great, and the second half of the album (The Crow and The Nightingale, Sierra Leone, and Care) is up there with any other stretch of music the band have put to tape. I’d almost recommend just starting with those three before tackling the first half of the album.

Also, I have no issues with Hunter’s mixing. It’s a bit up front but the albums still sound good to me.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on April 27, 2023, 07:53:34 AM
One other point AND THIS IS NOT POLITICAL (I really don't give a rat's ass about political lyrics):  it used to be fun to buy a Marillion album and read through the lyrics.  There was always something to grasp onto and/or dig into. An interesting take; an alternate point of view.   The last couple records are just... boring from that standpoint.  I read through the lyrics on An Hour Before It's Dark a couple nights ago, and was wildly under-impressed.  I know "Clutching At Straws" about as well as I know ANY album in my collection; I've heard it literally 100's of times.   When the deluxe remix came out a couple years ago, I knew within the first song that it was a new REMIX... and yet, perusing the lyrics I was STILL finding neat little puns and inferences and hidden meanings.  Granted, that might be my number one album EVER in terms of lyrical content, but there are other H albums in the catalogue like that - Season's End, Marbles, Brave.  But not the last couple.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on April 27, 2023, 08:37:23 AM
One other point AND THIS IS NOT POLITICAL (I really don't give a rat's ass about political lyrics):  it used to be fun to buy a Marillion album and read through the lyrics.  There was always something to grasp onto and/or dig into. An interesting take; an alternate point of view.   The last couple records are just... boring from that standpoint.  I read through the lyrics on An Hour Before It's Dark a couple nights ago, and was wildly under-impressed.  I know "Clutching At Straws" about as well as I know ANY album in my collection; I've heard it literally 100's of times.   When the deluxe remix came out a couple years ago, I knew within the first song that it was a new REMIX... and yet, perusing the lyrics I was STILL finding neat little puns and inferences and hidden meanings.  Granted, that might be my number one album EVER in terms of lyrical content, but there are other H albums in the catalogue like that - Season's End, Marbles, Brave.  But not the last couple.   

Stadler, I’m serious about those last three tracks on AHBID. Those are real gems, and I think H really outdid himself lyrically there. The imagery on The Crow and The Nightingale is spectacular. It’s a essentially a tribute to Leonard Cohen, who I also couldn’t give a rats booty about, but it doesn’t matter. Just some really cool allusions and metaphors in that one. I think it really might be H’s best lyric.

Some very cool things in Sierra Leone and Care lyrically as well. I don’t know how obvious they might be without hearing H’s commentary on it (if you got the deluxe version with the DVD, check out the making of documentary on them).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on April 27, 2023, 08:56:37 AM
Well, I will dig in to the docs; I usually do with them and the explanations often give illumination (remember, Fish used to speak extensively about his words).   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: UndercoverMyung on April 30, 2023, 10:32:25 PM
Giving FEAR a beginning to end listen for maybe the first time even though I know the songs on their own.
Anyways, I love this album. Just so good. Still so many Marillion albums I've never heard though. Brave next I think. Tonight. Dark room with headphones. Sounds cool.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 06, 2023, 02:03:34 PM
So I ripped the DVD content to hard drive in order to watch the doc and what not, and I found that there's an INSTRUMENTAL version of the record.  WHOA!!   Totally different feel, of course, but I put it on and before I realized it I was 3/4 of the way through the record.  What a neat experience!!!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on June 06, 2023, 02:18:10 PM
So I ripped the DVD content to hard drive in order to watch the doc and what not, and I found that there's an INSTRUMENTAL version of the record.  WHOA!!   Totally different feel, of course, but I put it on and before I realized it I was 3/4 of the way through the record.  What a neat experience!!!

Oh yeah, the instrumental mix is quite interesting. There really is a lot of cool stuff going on that gets a little bit lost with the vocals in the mix.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: nick_z on June 06, 2023, 06:31:48 PM
Anyone got the Seasons End Deluxe boxset? Is it worthy of purchase?

(I absolutely love the album...just wondering about the extras and/or the remix...)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 06, 2023, 06:44:32 PM
Anyone got the Seasons End Deluxe boxset? Is it worthy of purchase?

(I absolutely love the album...just wondering about the extras and/or the remix...)
Are you talking about the one with the new remix, plus the Live in Leicester show? If so, I actually just got that today. I'll post my thoughts once I give it all a spin.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: nick_z on June 06, 2023, 07:12:08 PM
Anyone got the Seasons End Deluxe boxset? Is it worthy of purchase?

(I absolutely love the album...just wondering about the extras and/or the remix...)
Are you talking about the one with the new remix, plus the Live in Leicester show? If so, I actually just got that today. I'll post my thoughts once I give it all a spin.

Yes, that one...I believe it came out recently (couple months ago)? I'm reading it also has a Blu Ray with other goodies (not sure why the demo versions and other tracks are on the BR, instead of a CD...?)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on June 06, 2023, 09:19:43 PM
I have it, forgot to post about it. I was a little disappointed on my first listen to the new mix. It’s a dryer mix maybe? Just doesn’t have the same shine and vibrance of the original. Lot of bass, had to turn down my EQ. Need to give it another listen though.

The documentary is good. Haven’t watched the live shows or listened to the concert discs yet. The most interesting thing were the new demos on the DVD. Some interesting stuff there that they dug out.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 07, 2023, 06:28:13 AM
So on the Seasons End Deluxe Version...  it's Leicester 2022, not the Leicester show from 1990 that was on the "Stoke Row to Ipanema" set.   That too is on there, I think, on the BluRay, but unlike all the previous deluxe sets there's not a new show from the era.  They claim that there's not any good material from that time; I'm sorta calling bullshit on that, since they could put some of the material from the 'Front Row' club on there that is now out of print, but that's me.   Generally speaking, the Deluxe sets have been very good, not great.  I'm not always a fan of the new mixes (I've written about the Clutching one in the past; I know that album SO WELL that any changes are sort of jarring) but the sets generally are well done, and there always seems to be something new and intriguing in all of them.

Oh, anyone have an extra Brave Deluxe they want to move to a good home? HAHA (It's the only one I don't have).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on June 07, 2023, 11:23:16 PM
I have it, forgot to post about it. I was a little disappointed on my first listen to the new mix. It’s a dryer mix maybe? Just doesn’t have the same shine and vibrance of the original. Lot of bass, had to turn down my EQ. Need to give it another listen though.

The documentary is good. Haven’t watched the live shows or listened to the concert discs yet. The most interesting thing were the new demos on the DVD. Some interesting stuff there that they dug out.

On another listen tonight, and I'm enjoying it more than before. Dryer drum sound requires an adjustment (much like with Clutching at Straws), and the bass is a bit more prominent. But I'm also hearing some little details here and there, like some additional or more prominent clean guitar on the intro to Berlin.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 18, 2023, 06:54:08 PM
I think they will given how they have periodically over the last 25 years. They just need to find ways to do it without losing money.

I suspect they aren't coming back unless they announce their farewell tour.  Way too many obstacles to coming to the US these days.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 18, 2023, 06:58:01 PM
I'm really late to the Marillion party...  It wasn't until last year that I listened to "Misplaced Childhood" and wondered where it has been my whole life.  From there naturally I also got into "Clutching at Straws". 

Finally today randomly put on a post-Fish album, "Seasons End".  Holy crap.  Amazing album.  I'm pretty sure "King of Sunset Town" is my current temporary favorite song lol.  Looking forward to diving into more of the catalog.  Maybe I just needed to find an album I like to get into the singer (like it's an acquired taste or something).  Can't believe how many albums they have haha.

Brave next. In a dark room with headphones on. Trust me.

Ha Ha! That's my cure for insomnia!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 18, 2023, 07:04:20 PM
Yeah, I think it would be good to go to Brave and then Afraid of Sunlight next, but eventually circle back to Holidays in Eden because I think it's still a really strong album if a bit of a pop detour (not a bad thing in my book). But Brave and Afraid of Sunlight are their masterpieces, IMO.

Lots of people struggle with the catalog between Afraid of Sunlight and their next masterpiece, Marbles, but there's something on each album that I love.

Took me about 15 years to get into Afraid of Sunlight and even then it's only about half. The Deluxe version kind of solidified it for me with they live show they included. Even Cannibal Surf Babe live was decent on that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: nick_z on June 18, 2023, 07:10:26 PM
Got my Seasons Ends' Deluxe Edition for Father's Day  :) I'll try to dig into that tomorrow...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 18, 2023, 07:18:42 PM
Anyone got the Seasons End Deluxe boxset? Is it worthy of purchase?

(I absolutely love the album...just wondering about the extras and/or the remix...)

It was worth it for me. Have them all except Brave. Didn't really like them messing with artwork and the Marillion Weekend performance of those songs, but I really like the mix. It was similar to Holidays In Eden which are two of the best mixes of the series.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on June 18, 2023, 09:43:58 PM
You might have to be a member of this group to see this post, but Lucy Jordache recently posted a breakdown of expenses for a US tour against a recent promoter’s offer as an example of why they aren’t able to come back to the US.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/651267041594228/permalink/6346148968772645/?m_entstream_source=contextual_profile_feed&anchor_composer=false&paipv=0&eav=AfZw6vUZfZa797owHFkhkMWHBw8kX8evsCjrsqwb9_z8Ic1I-X0ip88sfzM1WKCae9k
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 18, 2023, 10:23:49 PM
You might have to be a member of this group to see this post, but Lucy Jordache recently posted a breakdown of expenses for a US tour against a recent promoter’s offer as an example of why they aren’t able to come back to the US.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/651267041594228/permalink/6346148968772645/?m_entstream_source=contextual_profile_feed&anchor_composer=false&paipv=0&eav=AfZw6vUZfZa797owHFkhkMWHBw8kX8evsCjrsqwb9_z8Ic1I-X0ip88sfzM1WKCae9k

Yeah, you have to be a member. Can you copy/paste so I don't have to wait till they approve my membership.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 18, 2023, 10:42:35 PM
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I keep seeing questions about a US tour so thought I would lay it all on the line.
Here is an example of a tour I was trying to work out recently - only 6 dates in the US.  We were offered $250,000.00. Sounds good right?
Now lets take away the costs...
$37,500.00 - 15% witholding tax
$25,000.00 - 10% payment to our agent
$25,000.00 - hotels - we take a lot of crew and we don't expect them to share rooms.  And we don't stay in Motel 8s
$30,000.00 - Tour bus
$10,000.00 - truck
$4,000.00 - PDS for band and crew
$37,200.00 - crew wages (it costs us $3,100.00 per day and crew get paid on days off)
$10,000.00 - Visas - and that's if the price doesn't increase as they are threatening to do)
$10,000.00 - Tax accountants - even to get the tax reduced to 15% down from 30% costs us a fortune to do
$20,000.00 - Flights the band travel business class and the crew in economy
$10,000.00 - there is ALWAYS things that are unaccounted for
$15,000.00 - Extra PA and Lights - the venues don't always have what the band want to put on the show you are used to
$20,000.00 - Shipping of Equipment - the band always want to use their own instruments.
Total Expenditure (and many of these are estimates and might be even higher) $252,700.00
So this six date tour would make us LOSE $2700.00
Yes we can sell merchandise but all the venues also want 30% commission on merch sales.
None of these calculations take into consideration my time spent organising everything and taking me away from doing other jobs (for example I remember organising the 45 dates of the Marbles tour in the UK and EU took me half as long in my time as to work out as the 10 date US tour.)
'But how can Hackett, Riverside etc etc tour the US' - Well my answer is I don't know because I am not them.  Maybe they rely on their merch sales, maybe they have record company help.  Maybe they stay in cheap hotels and fly economy and used hired gear.  Maybe they get higher offers to start with.  I am only answering what our position is.  We would LOVE to come back to the US, but the way things are at the moment I can't see this changing.  It doesn't mean forever, but it does mean for now.  If only the boys had cracked America in the 80s we might have stood a chance!
Thanks for taking the time to read this.  x
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on June 18, 2023, 10:49:42 PM
There you go!

I know in times past the band have done things like rent equipment, but they always seem to have a horror story to accompany it. I think they could probably find some ways to scale back to make some money or at least break even, but at their age I can see why that just isn’t worth it to them anymore.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 18, 2023, 10:53:57 PM

I know in times past the band have done things like rent equipment, but they always seem to have a horror story to accompany it. I think they could probably find some ways to scale back to make some money or at least break even, but at their age I can see why that just isn’t worth it to them anymore.

I mean, I don't blame em, no sense in not making money. And fans who have the means can just go to the Montreal weekend, it's just those of us without the means who are out of luck. Thankfully I have four Marillion shows under my belt already.

I wonder how the cost breakdown of doing a single weekend in the US would be?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 19, 2023, 06:04:46 AM
I don't know.  As she writes, "I'm not them".    But six shows, in 2,500 seat theaters, at $75 per ticket is $1,125,000 gross. I know there are fees.  I know you have to pay for the venues.  I get it. But Marillion have always made me shake my head a bit at the business side of things. I know they are pioneers on the crowd-funding, blah, blah, blah.

But how does Neal Morse do it?   The only things that are different from that list and Neal are the Visas, and some percentage of the flights (they don't all have to fly from the UK to the US, but they DO have to fly from wherever they are to the starting point). 

And why not package with someone?  NOT FISH - they both have said that's not going to happen, so let's not even moot that - but why not have a double-headlining tour like so many American bands do? 

I feel like "if there's a will there's a way", and there isn't the will, frankly.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 19, 2023, 06:51:06 AM
I do believe the promoter takes a good deal of the gate, and pays the artists a guaranteed flat rate, that way the artists doens't take the risk of losing money off low ticket sales. (not that that would be an issues with Marillion)


I'm in the group now, so was able to scroll through the comments. Lot's of mental gymnastics by fans trying to math it out, and Lucy politely shooting their theories down. Makes me more resigned to the fact I'll never see them live again.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 19, 2023, 09:59:50 AM
I do believe the promoter takes a good deal of the gate, and pays the artists a guaranteed flat rate, that way the artists doens't take the risk of losing money off low ticket sales. (not that that would be an issues with Marillion)


I'm in the group now, so was able to scroll through the comments. Lot's of mental gymnastics by fans trying to math it out, and Lucy politely shooting their theories down. Makes me more resigned to the fact I'll never see them live again.

I know a guy at the Mohegan Sun, and it's different depending on the artist and the tour.   They have what's called "The Wolf Den", which is free (but only about 300 seats; the idea is to get people into the casino) and that's all flat rate.  Then for the arena, it's dependent on the artist.  Bruce wants a flat rate, he pays the band and the bands equipment, the arena pays everything else. Bruce is big enough, though, that he set limits on the ticket prices too.   Prince basically rented out the arena, and handled everything, from ticketing to march to the band.   So basically he paid THEM a flat rate. 

I think it varies.  I'm not in the Facebook group, so I don't know what questions are being asked, but again, I think it's a matter of will.  I love Marillion, I really do, but I've had this idea about them for several years now; they're just set in their ways and if they can't do it their way, they don't do it.  Fair enough, but own it (which, to be fair, she quasi- sort of does, by acknowledging that the band WON'T (not can't, won't) fly coach and WON'T (not can't, won't) shop hotels.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 19, 2023, 10:05:02 AM
The band is of course free to do whatever they want, and I don't blame them for wanting to turn a buck and do it in their style. There's more than enough shows to spend my money on.

I did notice in the comments that the tour they were speculating on with these numbers would've been all east coast dates anyways, so either way I would've been fucked. :lol
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on June 19, 2023, 10:29:52 AM
I think it varies.  I'm not in the Facebook group, so I don't know what questions are being asked, but again, I think it's a matter of will.  I love Marillion, I really do, but I've had this idea about them for several years now; they're just set in their ways and if they can't do it their way, they don't do it.  Fair enough, but own it (which, to be fair, she quasi- sort of does, by acknowledging that the band WON'T (not can't, won't) fly coach and WON'T (not can't, won't) shop hotels.

No, I think that is right and more or less something Lucy admits. They aren’t willing to cut those corners, and maybe people like Hackett are. Neal Morse probably travels with minimal crew, gear, and production, and maybe he’s willing to take a loss to do it. A lot of bands are willing to take losses for the exposure aspect of touring (Big Big Train always lose money touring), but at the stage of their career Marillion probably don’t feel the need to do that. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 24, 2023, 12:29:09 PM
Quote
I keep seeing questions about a US tour so thought I would lay it all on the line.
Here is an example of a tour I was trying to work out recently - only 6 dates in the US.  We were offered $250,000.00. Sounds good right?
Now lets take away the costs...
$37,500.00 - 15% witholding tax
$25,000.00 - 10% payment to our agent
$25,000.00 - hotels - we take a lot of crew and we don't expect them to share rooms.  And we don't stay in Motel 8s
$30,000.00 - Tour bus
$10,000.00 - truck
$4,000.00 - PDS for band and crew
$37,200.00 - crew wages (it costs us $3,100.00 per day and crew get paid on days off)
$10,000.00 - Visas - and that's if the price doesn't increase as they are threatening to do)
$10,000.00 - Tax accountants - even to get the tax reduced to 15% down from 30% costs us a fortune to do
$20,000.00 - Flights the band travel business class and the crew in economy
$10,000.00 - there is ALWAYS things that are unaccounted for
$15,000.00 - Extra PA and Lights - the venues don't always have what the band want to put on the show you are used to
$20,000.00 - Shipping of Equipment - the band always want to use their own instruments.
Total Expenditure (and many of these are estimates and might be even higher) $252,700.00
So this six date tour would make us LOSE $2700.00
Yes we can sell merchandise but all the venues also want 30% commission on merch sales.
None of these calculations take into consideration my time spent organising everything and taking me away from doing other jobs (for example I remember organising the 45 dates of the Marbles tour in the UK and EU took me half as long in my time as to work out as the 10 date US tour.)
'But how can Hackett, Riverside etc etc tour the US' - Well my answer is I don't know because I am not them.  Maybe they rely on their merch sales, maybe they have record company help.  Maybe they stay in cheap hotels and fly economy and used hired gear.  Maybe they get higher offers to start with.  I am only answering what our position is.  We would LOVE to come back to the US, but the way things are at the moment I can't see this changing.  It doesn't mean forever, but it does mean for now.  If only the boys had cracked America in the 80s we might have stood a chance!
Thanks for taking the time to read this.  x

Sounds reasonable to me. I can't see these guys hopping in a mini van with a skeleton crew at this stage especially given their consistency with top notch performances. Way too many variables at risk if you cut corners. Like I said, at this point it's a Montreal/USA Weekend or a Farewell tour.  It's the same reason why Fish is done in the US too and I think he's got a lower overhead.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 24, 2023, 12:46:03 PM
I don't know.  As she writes, "I'm not them".    But six shows, in 2,500 seat theaters, at $75 per ticket is $1,125,000 gross. I know there are fees.  I know you have to pay for the venues.  I get it. But Marillion have always made me shake my head a bit at the business side of things. I know they are pioneers on the crowd-funding, blah, blah, blah.

But how does Neal Morse do it?   The only things that are different from that list and Neal are the Visas, and some percentage of the flights (they don't all have to fly from the UK to the US, but they DO have to fly from wherever they are to the starting point). 

And why not package with someone?  NOT FISH - they both have said that's not going to happen, so let's not even moot that - but why not have a double-headlining tour like so many American bands do? 

I feel like "if there's a will there's a way", and there isn't the will, frankly.

Marillion are a brand at this point. I don't know if I'd pay to see them on a double/triple bill (unless the right combination of bands are involved - and they won't be because this is me and I can't see Marillion going out with The Fixx and Joe Jackson for example.) I'd even be up for an opening band if they were good. But that is by far not my preferred choice and while the ticket would be more expensive for promoters I doubt Marillion would see much of a financial benefit from that.  I think by this point Marillion know their audience.

I don't know if Neal Morse knows or cares about the business side very much and I think he just wants to play his music live so there may be different motivating factors here so it's not apples to apples.

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 24, 2023, 12:52:08 PM
I do believe the promoter takes a good deal of the gate, and pays the artists a guaranteed flat rate, that way the artists doens't take the risk of losing money off low ticket sales. (not that that would be an issues with Marillion)


I'm in the group now, so was able to scroll through the comments. Lot's of mental gymnastics by fans trying to math it out, and Lucy politely shooting their theories down. Makes me more resigned to the fact I'll never see them live again.

I know a guy at the Mohegan Sun, and it's different depending on the artist and the tour.   They have what's called "The Wolf Den", which is free (but only about 300 seats; the idea is to get people into the casino) and that's all flat rate.  Then for the arena, it's dependent on the artist.  Bruce wants a flat rate, he pays the band and the bands equipment, the arena pays everything else. Bruce is big enough, though, that he set limits on the ticket prices too.   Prince basically rented out the arena, and handled everything, from ticketing to march to the band.   So basically he paid THEM a flat rate. 

I think it varies.  I'm not in the Facebook group, so I don't know what questions are being asked, but again, I think it's a matter of will.  I love Marillion, I really do, but I've had this idea about them for several years now; they're just set in their ways and if they can't do it their way, they don't do it.  Fair enough, but own it (which, to be fair, she quasi- sort of does, by acknowledging that the band WON'T (not can't, won't) fly coach and WON'T (not can't, won't) shop hotels.)

I would bet money that Marillion would not be playing in a casino. Since they left a major label they have always done things their way. It's not a secret.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on June 24, 2023, 12:57:26 PM
The band is of course free to do whatever they want, and I don't blame them for wanting to turn a buck and do it in their style. There's more than enough shows to spend my money on.

I did notice in the comments that the tour they were speculating on with these numbers would've been all east coast dates anyways, so either way I would've been fucked. :lol

I think if there is a farewell tour Chicago and LA are in the mix along with the east coast. We might have one more shot at it in maybe 5 to 7 years.  I'm bummed Rothery hasn't brought his band here. Closest he came was Mexico. I might go to Canada to see Rothery's band. At this point, I think I'd rather see them than Marillion.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 24, 2023, 01:32:57 PM
The band is of course free to do whatever they want, and I don't blame them for wanting to turn a buck and do it in their style. There's more than enough shows to spend my money on.

I did notice in the comments that the tour they were speculating on with these numbers would've been all east coast dates anyways, so either way I would've been fucked. :lol

I think if there is a farewell tour Chicago and LA are in the mix along with the east coast. We might have one more shot at it in maybe 5 to 7 years.  I'm bummed Rothery hasn't brought his band here. Closest he came was Mexico. I might go to Canada to see Rothery's band. At this point, I think I'd rather see them than Marillion.


At this point I'm just resigned to never seeing them or IQ again. No biggie, I got 6 shows between the two, and there's an infinite amount of bands to see.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 24, 2023, 05:19:52 PM
Side bar, though not really, if you think about it a little, I ripped the Blu-ray from the Seasons End deluxe, and lo and behold, they had the three videos from the singles:  Uninvited Guest, Hooks In You, and Easter.

Don't tell me that Marillion didn't want to be stars.  Don't ever tell me that Marillion didn't want to be big stars.  The Uninvited Guest was okay, but Easter would have been a lot better if they didn't dress up as U2 for the video (nice hat, Bono, I mean, Steve; It's amazing that Ireland looks so much like Joshua Tree National Park) and the Hooks In You was a popularity grab with a capital "popularity".  Every cliche in the book, and for what?  I bet the price of the box set that Steve didn't own that Jackson he was playing. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 24, 2023, 09:04:39 PM
The band is of course free to do whatever they want, and I don't blame them for wanting to turn a buck and do it in their style. There's more than enough shows to spend my money on.

I did notice in the comments that the tour they were speculating on with these numbers would've been all east coast dates anyways, so either way I would've been fucked. :lol

I think if there is a farewell tour Chicago and LA are in the mix along with the east coast. We might have one more shot at it in maybe 5 to 7 years.  I'm bummed Rothery hasn't brought his band here. Closest he came was Mexico. I might go to Canada to see Rothery's band. At this point, I think I'd rather see them than Marillion.


At this point I'm just resigned to never seeing them or IQ again. No biggie, I got 6 shows between the two, and there's an infinite amount of bands to see.
I've never had the opportunity to see Marillion. I've always wanted to go to one of the Marillion Weekends. I almost sprung for Cruise to the Edge 2024 since they are on the bill for that, along with a lot of other amazing bands, but I couldn't get my wife on board with a concert cruise....oh well.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 24, 2023, 09:16:45 PM
The band is of course free to do whatever they want, and I don't blame them for wanting to turn a buck and do it in their style. There's more than enough shows to spend my money on.

I did notice in the comments that the tour they were speculating on with these numbers would've been all east coast dates anyways, so either way I would've been fucked. :lol

I think if there is a farewell tour Chicago and LA are in the mix along with the east coast. We might have one more shot at it in maybe 5 to 7 years.  I'm bummed Rothery hasn't brought his band here. Closest he came was Mexico. I might go to Canada to see Rothery's band. At this point, I think I'd rather see them than Marillion.


At this point I'm just resigned to never seeing them or IQ again. No biggie, I got 6 shows between the two, and there's an infinite amount of bands to see.
I've never had the opportunity to see Marillion. I've always wanted to go to one of the Marillion Weekends. I almost sprung for Cruise to the Edge 2024 since they are on the bill for that, along with a lot of other amazing bands, but I couldn't get my wife on board with a concert cruise....oh well.

I think I'd lean towards CTTE over a Weekend, just because of all the extra bands that'd be there.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on June 26, 2023, 12:38:01 PM
The band is of course free to do whatever they want, and I don't blame them for wanting to turn a buck and do it in their style. There's more than enough shows to spend my money on.

I did notice in the comments that the tour they were speculating on with these numbers would've been all east coast dates anyways, so either way I would've been fucked. :lol

I think if there is a farewell tour Chicago and LA are in the mix along with the east coast. We might have one more shot at it in maybe 5 to 7 years.  I'm bummed Rothery hasn't brought his band here. Closest he came was Mexico. I might go to Canada to see Rothery's band. At this point, I think I'd rather see them than Marillion.


At this point I'm just resigned to never seeing them or IQ again. No biggie, I got 6 shows between the two, and there's an infinite amount of bands to see.
I've never had the opportunity to see Marillion. I've always wanted to go to one of the Marillion Weekends. I almost sprung for Cruise to the Edge 2024 since they are on the bill for that, along with a lot of other amazing bands, but I couldn't get my wife on board with a concert cruise....oh well.

I will say this: Marillion is one of those few bands for whom the setlist almost doesn't matter.  I saw the FEAR tour, and while that is far from my favorite album and they played a lot of it, I still loved the show. I cried - actual, real tears - during Neverland.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on June 26, 2023, 02:46:30 PM
The band is of course free to do whatever they want, and I don't blame them for wanting to turn a buck and do it in their style. There's more than enough shows to spend my money on.

I did notice in the comments that the tour they were speculating on with these numbers would've been all east coast dates anyways, so either way I would've been fucked. :lol

I think if there is a farewell tour Chicago and LA are in the mix along with the east coast. We might have one more shot at it in maybe 5 to 7 years.  I'm bummed Rothery hasn't brought his band here. Closest he came was Mexico. I might go to Canada to see Rothery's band. At this point, I think I'd rather see them than Marillion.


At this point I'm just resigned to never seeing them or IQ again. No biggie, I got 6 shows between the two, and there's an infinite amount of bands to see.
I've never had the opportunity to see Marillion. I've always wanted to go to one of the Marillion Weekends. I almost sprung for Cruise to the Edge 2024 since they are on the bill for that, along with a lot of other amazing bands, but I couldn't get my wife on board with a concert cruise....oh well.

I will say this: Marillion is one of those few bands for whom the setlist almost doesn't matter.  I saw the FEAR tour, and while that is far from my favorite album and they played a lot of it, I still loved the show. I cried - actual, real tears - during Neverland.

Yeah, the SF set for that tour was ridiculous...not only was there no Fish era stuff, but they didn't do anything earlier than Afraid of Sunlight, but as you said, I was just grateful to be on the rail for Marillion, nothing else really mattered. And  of course, they absolutely crushed the performance.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 01, 2023, 10:08:14 AM
Side bar, though not really, if you think about it a little, I ripped the Blu-ray from the Seasons End deluxe, and lo and behold, they had the three videos from the singles:  Uninvited Guest, Hooks In You, and Easter.

Don't tell me that Marillion didn't want to be stars.  Don't ever tell me that Marillion didn't want to be big stars.  The Uninvited Guest was okay, but Easter would have been a lot better if they didn't dress up as U2 for the video (nice hat, Bono, I mean, Steve; It's amazing that Ireland looks so much like Joshua Tree National Park) and the Hooks In You was a popularity grab with a capital "popularity".  Every cliche in the book, and for what?  I bet the price of the box set that Steve didn't own that Jackson he was playing.

Not sure if you're serious, but all of that window dressing was likely the label or video director's idea. I doubt the band owned anything  that wasn't related to the music in that video. Okay, well maybe Hogarth owned something.....
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 01, 2023, 03:09:00 PM
Side bar, though not really, if you think about it a little, I ripped the Blu-ray from the Seasons End deluxe, and lo and behold, they had the three videos from the singles:  Uninvited Guest, Hooks In You, and Easter.

Don't tell me that Marillion didn't want to be stars.  Don't ever tell me that Marillion didn't want to be big stars.  The Uninvited Guest was okay, but Easter would have been a lot better if they didn't dress up as U2 for the video (nice hat, Bono, I mean, Steve; It's amazing that Ireland looks so much like Joshua Tree National Park) and the Hooks In You was a popularity grab with a capital "popularity".  Every cliche in the book, and for what?  I bet the price of the box set that Steve didn't own that Jackson he was playing.

Not sure if you're serious, but all of that window dressing was likely the label or video director's idea. I doubt the band owned anything  that wasn't related to the music in that video. Okay, well maybe Hogarth owned something.....

Well, I am, though while I'm serious, I'm not bagging on them for it.  It IS their career. But for all the talk about "we do what we want!" and "we're in it for the music!", there are a LOT of stories in the band's career about them yearning for the very success they also sometimes say "they don't want".   Fish too, if you listen to the Fish on Fridays (I'm just catching up; I'm around August of 2020 now, haha!). 

If you saw that video for "Hooks In You" without knowing, I think the rest of the catalogue would be a surprise.  That is almost NOTHING like the band that I've seen five times and countless more times on video.  I get it, it's a promo, but you can have a promo and have it be true to who you are as a band.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 01, 2023, 03:23:09 PM
If you hear H talk about it, he’ll admit that when he first joined the band he wanted to be a rock star and to have the same level of success in Marillion that Fish did, and it bothered him for some time that he didn’t. But he’ll claim the other guys had more of a “we’ve been there before and it’s not all it’s cracked up to be” attitude about it. I think the image stuff in those videos was like 95% just marketing by EMI wanting to sell records (although H probably was happy to play the part).

But I also think the “we do what we want” attitude is something that really started more with Brave (which also pretty much ended their relationship with EMI). Prior to that, I think EMI had some hopes of promoting H as more of a pop frontman, which lead to Holidays in Eden, but that was short lived.  And then by the time you get to Afraid of Sunlight you have H writing about the pitfalls of fame and the self destructive lifestyles that often accompany it, which I think was partly his way of coping with the fact that he was never going to be a Bono type of rock star.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on July 01, 2023, 09:07:47 PM
Re: Hooks in You

I know the video comes across as a promo and it is quite catchy and a bit “single” sounding.

But I heard it in the car on it’s own merits a few days ago and it immediately occurred to me that the song itself doesn’t strike me as being any *more* “radio friendly” than say…Incommunicado.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on July 01, 2023, 09:21:27 PM
Re: Hooks in You

I know the video comes across as a promo and it is quite catchy and a bit “single” sounding.

But I heard it in the car on it’s own merits a few days ago and it immediately occurred to me that the song itself doesn’t strike me as being any *more* “radio friendly” than say…Incommunicado.

It’s almost the same song musically, just a little bit more aggressive guitar tone and less widdly keyboards. Quite different lyrically of course.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 02, 2023, 10:20:17 AM
yeah I've always heard the similarities between Hooks In You and Incommunicado.

Incommunicado I find is a superior track in many ways though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on July 03, 2023, 04:25:47 AM
I've always loved both songs. A few more like that and I wouldn't have drifted away from Marillion as I did. I have now seen the error of my ways and enjoy most of their SH era albums.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 05, 2023, 10:35:34 AM
Don't get me wrong: I LOVE Hooks In You.  It's a great song (though other than "it has a guitar riff" I see no similarities with Incommunicado). That's not the point.   I can say "well, find me another "Hooks In You" in the catalogue, and you can. For the sake of argument, I'll give you that Incommunicado is one (and it was a single, back in the day); Separated Out is another.  There are a couple moments on Brave that would work. 

I'm talking about the video.   You can't find another picture of Steve Rothery in that get up, with that guitar, ANYWHERE. He and Pete throwing shapes; in the Lorely video, I'm not sure Pete moves more than three feet in any direction, and he's MOBILE compared to Steve.  The crowds with the perpetual overhead arm clap; I've seen Marillion and Fish combined about 12 times and I've never seen that once ever at a show.

I just think it's a fine line between success and failure, and it's a little disingenuous to say "we're not interested' when you clearly are (or were).  The liner notes in the Holidays Deluxe version is really the first admission that there was some "lust" there.   Kayleigh was always sort of pointed at as an albatross, but they were talking about "hit singles" up through Afraid of Sunlight, which was a decade later (Fish, on "Fish On Fridays" often does the "doot doot doo..." sarcastically to refer to trading on past glories).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 13, 2023, 08:20:07 PM
Side bar, though not really, if you think about it a little, I ripped the Blu-ray from the Seasons End deluxe, and lo and behold, they had the three videos from the singles:  Uninvited Guest, Hooks In You, and Easter.

Don't tell me that Marillion didn't want to be stars.  Don't ever tell me that Marillion didn't want to be big stars.  The Uninvited Guest was okay, but Easter would have been a lot better if they didn't dress up as U2 for the video (nice hat, Bono, I mean, Steve; It's amazing that Ireland looks so much like Joshua Tree National Park) and the Hooks In You was a popularity grab with a capital "popularity".  Every cliche in the book, and for what?  I bet the price of the box set that Steve didn't own that Jackson he was playing.

Not sure if you're serious, but all of that window dressing was likely the label or video director's idea. I doubt the band owned anything  that wasn't related to the music in that video. Okay, well maybe Hogarth owned something.....

Well, I am, though while I'm serious, I'm not bagging on them for it.  It IS their career. But for all the talk about "we do what we want!" and "we're in it for the music!", there are a LOT of stories in the band's career about them yearning for the very success they also sometimes say "they don't want".   Fish too, if you listen to the Fish on Fridays (I'm just catching up; I'm around August of 2020 now, haha!). 

If you saw that video for "Hooks In You" without knowing, I think the rest of the catalogue would be a surprise.  That is almost NOTHING like the band that I've seen five times and countless more times on video.  I get it, it's a promo, but you can have a promo and have it be true to who you are as a band.

That was a critical point and the record label were trying to protect their investment. I will say that I found Hogarth to be pretty over the top live in those years. He settled down around This Strange Engine.

But yeah, "Hooks In You" is a pretty unrepresentative for a video (and even a song) and I'd still bet money that they were following EMI's orders on that.  I'm sure that is documented somewhere. I'll pull on the Jon Collins book. There's a decent chance it's mentioned in there.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 13, 2023, 08:25:19 PM
If you hear H talk about it, he’ll admit that when he first joined the band he wanted to be a rock star and to have the same level of success in Marillion that Fish did, and it bothered him for some time that he didn’t. But he’ll claim the other guys had more of a “we’ve been there before and it’s not all it’s cracked up to be” attitude about it. I think the image stuff in those videos was like 95% just marketing by EMI wanting to sell records (although H probably was happy to play the part).

But I also think the “we do what we want” attitude is something that really started more with Brave (which also pretty much ended their relationship with EMI). Prior to that, I think EMI had some hopes of promoting H as more of a pop frontman, which lead to Holidays in Eden, but that was short lived.  And then by the time you get to Afraid of Sunlight you have H writing about the pitfalls of fame and the self destructive lifestyles that often accompany it, which I think was partly his way of coping with the fact that he was never going to be a Bono type of rock star.

That's a pretty good summary. Not much to add. Things really solidified in that way when they built their studio and formed their own label to handle everything in-house. They were rebels before that too, but it got too big and they really lost control after Misplaced Childhood.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 13, 2023, 08:32:08 PM
Re: Hooks in You

I know the video comes across as a promo and it is quite catchy and a bit “single” sounding.

But I heard it in the car on it’s own merits a few days ago and it immediately occurred to me that the song itself doesn’t strike me as being any *more* “radio friendly” than say…Incommunicado.

There's a stark contrast between the videos.  Incommunicado is a total spoof worthy of Genesis. (They have similar points of view regarding making videos At least during the Fish years) But the music? Yeah there's a similarity.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 13, 2023, 08:49:01 PM
Don't get me wrong: I LOVE Hooks In You.  It's a great song (though other than "it has a guitar riff" I see no similarities with Incommunicado). That's not the point.   I can say "well, find me another "Hooks In You" in the catalogue, and you can. For the sake of argument, I'll give you that Incommunicado is one (and it was a single, back in the day); Separated Out is another.  There are a couple moments on Brave that would work. 

I'm talking about the video.   You can't find another picture of Steve Rothery in that get up, with that guitar, ANYWHERE. He and Pete throwing shapes; in the Lorely video, I'm not sure Pete moves more than three feet in any direction, and he's MOBILE compared to Steve.  The crowds with the perpetual overhead arm clap; I've seen Marillion and Fish combined about 12 times and I've never seen that once ever at a show.

I just think it's a fine line between success and failure, and it's a little disingenuous to say "we're not interested' when you clearly are (or were).  The liner notes in the Holidays Deluxe version is really the first admission that there was some "lust" there.   Kayleigh was always sort of pointed at as an albatross, but they were talking about "hit singles" up through Afraid of Sunlight, which was a decade later (Fish, on "Fish On Fridays" often does the "doot doot doo..." sarcastically to refer to trading on past glories).

Notice that Marillion was dropped after Afraid of Sunlight. Sure Marillion wanted commercial success. But , like Rush, they wanted it on "their" terms. Especially after having gone through that the first time.

Yeah, Fish is a riot on Fridays. I almost never listen live. Usually catch it that night or the following day. Could be watching again this time tomorrow. Surprisingly, I think he may have doubled his fan base in the three years he's done this. A lot of people seem to have no clue that he released as many albums as he did and usually plays a few tracks each week which seem to have gotten exposure. I kind of find it interesting from a marketing point of view. He's always been DIY but doing this seems to have built a community similar to what Marillion has. I find it fascinating.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 15, 2023, 03:24:44 PM
I'm still back in like August/September of 2020 (He hadn't officially released Weltschmerz yet).   I'll make it through eventually. 

I notice in recent episodes he's been talking more openly about being on the spectrum, too.  News to me (and honestly, while I believe him, he doesn't totally present that way to me, but then again, I'm not a licensed therapist).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 21, 2023, 05:07:09 PM
I'm still back in like August/September of 2020 (He hadn't officially released Weltschmerz yet).   I'll make it through eventually. 

I notice in recent episodes he's been talking more openly about being on the spectrum, too.  News to me (and honestly, while I believe him, he doesn't totally present that way to me, but then again, I'm not a licensed therapist).

You're still in the disco bog, vermin charlie and "Where's the bloody remote?" era. Comedy gold! I love watching him every week. Just finished  this week's episode before I go  out an mow the lawn. I won't spoil it, but it wasn't bad.  He was pretty consistent with his shows back then too. He's cut back to maybe 2 or 3 times a month because of various issues. I've noticed he has to cool down a bit before he can discuss things that happen during the week. Most of those seem to be business related. So he might skip an episode if something makes him furious and you hear about it the following week after the dust settles.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 21, 2023, 06:25:34 PM
I'm still back in like August/September of 2020 (He hadn't officially released Weltschmerz yet).   I'll make it through eventually. 

I notice in recent episodes he's been talking more openly about being on the spectrum, too.  News to me (and honestly, while I believe him, he doesn't totally present that way to me, but then again, I'm not a licensed therapist).

You're still in the disco bog, vermin charlie and "Where's the bloody remote?" era. Comedy gold! I love watching him every week. Just finished  this week's episode before I go  out an mow the lawn. I won't spoil it, but it wasn't bad.  He was pretty consistent with his shows back then too. He's cut back to maybe 2 or 3 times a month because of various issues. I've noticed he has to cool down a bit before he can discuss things that happen during the week. Most of those seem to be business related. So he might skip an episode if something makes him furious and you hear about it the following week after the dust settles.

Will I find out what's the deal with the Vigil and Innocent Exile remasters?  Even back then he was banging on EMI about getting the license to Vigil.   
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on July 25, 2023, 07:52:25 PM
I'm still back in like August/September of 2020 (He hadn't officially released Weltschmerz yet).   I'll make it through eventually. 

I notice in recent episodes he's been talking more openly about being on the spectrum, too.  News to me (and honestly, while I believe him, he doesn't totally present that way to me, but then again, I'm not a licensed therapist).

You're still in the disco bog, vermin charlie and "Where's the bloody remote?" era. Comedy gold! I love watching him every week. Just finished  this week's episode before I go  out an mow the lawn. I won't spoil it, but it wasn't bad.  He was pretty consistent with his shows back then too. He's cut back to maybe 2 or 3 times a month because of various issues. I've noticed he has to cool down a bit before he can discuss things that happen during the week. Most of those seem to be business related. So he might skip an episode if something makes him furious and you hear about it the following week after the dust settles.

Will I find out what's the deal with the Vigil and Innocent Exile remasters?  Even back then he was banging on EMI about getting the license to Vigil.

Yes you will. It's a bit like a soap opera without the opera. Warner's gobbled up EMI which makes licensing a tad more bureaucratic. Hopefully that's not too much of a spoiler.



Also, for what it's worth, Marillion is looking into a limited repressing both of the Misplaced and Clutching Deluxe Editions. They'll be more expensive than they were (about 50 pounds) and way less than the aftermarket and speculators seem to be charging.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on July 26, 2023, 06:37:50 AM
I'm still back in like August/September of 2020 (He hadn't officially released Weltschmerz yet).   I'll make it through eventually. 

I notice in recent episodes he's been talking more openly about being on the spectrum, too.  News to me (and honestly, while I believe him, he doesn't totally present that way to me, but then again, I'm not a licensed therapist).

You're still in the disco bog, vermin charlie and "Where's the bloody remote?" era. Comedy gold! I love watching him every week. Just finished  this week's episode before I go  out an mow the lawn. I won't spoil it, but it wasn't bad.  He was pretty consistent with his shows back then too. He's cut back to maybe 2 or 3 times a month because of various issues. I've noticed he has to cool down a bit before he can discuss things that happen during the week. Most of those seem to be business related. So he might skip an episode if something makes him furious and you hear about it the following week after the dust settles.

Will I find out what's the deal with the Vigil and Innocent Exile remasters?  Even back then he was banging on EMI about getting the license to Vigil.

Yes you will. It's a bit like a soap opera without the opera. Warner's gobbled up EMI which makes licensing a tad more bureaucratic. Hopefully that's not too much of a spoiler.

NO, I'm LOOKING for spoilers.   I've been listening from back to front, about three or so episodes per week (I'm at 31).   I'm seriously debating on alternating the most recent and one or two past, the most recent and one or two past, in order to catch up.

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Also, for what it's worth, Marillion is looking into a limited repressing both of the Misplaced and Clutching Deluxe Editions. They'll be more expensive than they were (about 50 pounds) and way less than the aftermarket and speculators seem to be charging.

I saw that; I'd LOVE for them to add "Brave" to that list; I'd gladly pay 50 pounds for that.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 05, 2023, 03:34:14 PM

NO, I'm LOOKING for spoilers.   I've been listening from back to front, about three or so episodes per week (I'm at 31).   I'm seriously debating on alternating the most recent and one or two past, the most recent and one or two past, in order to catch up.



Well I wouldn't do that myself for contextual reasons but there are huge chunks of episodes that don't depend on what came before.

Spoilers: Both Vigil and Internal Exile still not out yet. He's been dealing with some medical issues. Final tour still up in the air. He's going to be moving off of the grid. He'll be writing his autobiography after he moves. He pulled the plug on his garden website. He's been using the show to preview his new releases.


We just got the 13th Star Deluxe. Haven't cracked it open yet. Ordered Monday, Arrived Saturday.  Must have had a tail wind.  Had a few Marillion releases that took about a week, but I think this is a record from overseas.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 06, 2023, 01:08:34 PM
I order the 13th Star remix/remaster too and it's en route.  Pretty excited. 

I don't know if this is the place or not, but anyone have a Songs From The Mirror Remaster they'd be willing to part with for a reasonable price?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 19, 2023, 08:04:56 PM
I order the 13th Star remix/remaster too and it's en route.  Pretty excited. 

I don't know if this is the place or not, but anyone have a Songs From The Mirror Remaster they'd be willing to part with for a reasonable price?

The 13th Star Reissue is awesome. A lot of it has already been previously released but the remixes, new doc and the demos are awesome!

Which version? I'd probably keep the original and most recent Deluxe but I might part with the first remaster. Just need to check if there's something on there that's not on anything else. I don't THINK there is.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 21, 2023, 07:02:04 AM
I order the 13th Star remix/remaster too and it's en route.  Pretty excited. 

I don't know if this is the place or not, but anyone have a Songs From The Mirror Remaster they'd be willing to part with for a reasonable price?

The 13th Star Reissue is awesome. A lot of it has already been previously released but the remixes, new doc and the demos are awesome!

Which version? I'd probably keep the original and most recent Deluxe but I might part with the first remaster. Just need to check if there's something on there that's not on anything else. I don't THINK there is.

No, looking for the recent remaster, the three CD deluxe version.  I'm actually looking for both Suits and Songs From The Mirror deluxe versions.  Fish complains about them being resold on eBay, but he's out of stock (and I get it, it costs money to float those and I can't imagine he's still selling 10's of thousands of them).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on August 26, 2023, 06:37:59 PM
I order the 13th Star remix/remaster too and it's en route.  Pretty excited. 

I don't know if this is the place or not, but anyone have a Songs From The Mirror Remaster they'd be willing to part with for a reasonable price?

The 13th Star Reissue is awesome. A lot of it has already been previously released but the remixes, new doc and the demos are awesome!

Which version? I'd probably keep the original and most recent Deluxe but I might part with the first remaster. Just need to check if there's something on there that's not on anything else. I don't THINK there is.

No, looking for the recent remaster, the three CD deluxe version.  I'm actually looking for both Suits and Songs From The Mirror deluxe versions.  Fish complains about them being resold on eBay, but he's out of stock (and I get it, it costs money to float those and I can't imagine he's still selling 10's of thousands of them).

I would doubt that he ordered 10 thousand of anything. His argument has been that he doesn't want stock sitting around. He's admitted he's been very conservative about the numbers he orders. I can't remember which album, but he recently mentioned he had to buy it on ebay because he didn't have a copy for himself!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 28, 2023, 07:40:57 AM
Marillion... I recently came by a copy of the Brave Deluxe set... I was listening to the live version of Brave from Paris... who does the backing vocals on "Alone Again In The Lap Of Luxury" live?  That doesn't sound at all like Pete.  The credit say something vague like "Backing Vocals: probably some combination of Pete, H and Mark" but that doesn't answer the question.   Does Mark trigger something?   I have been listening to this band since 1984, and I've never heard a male backing vocal like that. 

Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on August 28, 2023, 07:49:46 AM
Marillion... I recently came by a copy of the Brave Deluxe set... I was listening to the live version of Brave from Paris... who does the backing vocals on "Alone Again In The Lap Of Luxury" live?  That doesn't sound at all like Pete.  The credit say something vague like "Backing Vocals: probably some combination of Pete, H and Mark" but that doesn't answer the question.   Does Mark trigger something?   I have been listening to this band since 1984, and I've never heard a male backing vocal like that.

I think Mark probably sang that back then.

There’s no close up, but around the 2:11 mark here the spotlight hits on Mark during that BV in the chorus (this is from ‘94):

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ULGE1K1GCAQ&pp=ygUvbWFyaWxsaW9uIGFsb25lIGFnYWluIGluIHRoZSBsYXAgb2YgbHV4dXJ5IGxpdmU%3D

Actually this one’s better. Can very clearly see Mark is singing it:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5lqN3kGzwTI&pp=ygUvbWFyaWxsaW9uIGFsb25lIGFnYWluIGluIHRoZSBsYXAgb2YgbHV4dXJ5IGxpdmU%3D
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on August 28, 2023, 08:04:44 AM
He sounds really good!!  I love Pete, but he's not a singer, and so many of the backing vocals with Marillion have been a sort of weak spot... they should have been using Mark all along!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on August 28, 2023, 08:40:35 AM
He sounds really good!!  I love Pete, but he's not a singer, and so many of the backing vocals with Marillion have been a sort of weak spot... they should have been using Mark all along!

I’m not sure why Mark doesn’t sing more BV. I think he’s maybe mentioned in the past he just doesn’t like to, but it may just be that it’s easier these days to trigger some samples or something. He does have a much better voice than Pete for sure. Might just be he has so much to run from his rig that he doesn’t want to have to sing as well.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ProfessorPeart on September 11, 2023, 06:51:55 PM
The band pressed another 1000 copies of each of the Deluxe Editions of Misplaced Childhood and Clutching. Only available at their store. I dropped the ball on both so I grabbed both from them today. Cost more than I would have liked but both are going for stupid prices on Discogs.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ddonofrio3 on September 12, 2023, 01:59:34 PM
Mastermind opened the Fish show at Tuxedo Junction.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on September 12, 2023, 02:49:59 PM
Mastermind opened the Fish show at Tuxedo Junction.

Nice little blast from the past.  I added that to my Setlist.fm entry. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on September 12, 2023, 06:10:38 PM
I finally got a chance to sit down and really listen to the remix of Season's End. I'm not a fan of some of the structural changes that were made, but the sound overall is really good.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: nick_z on September 12, 2023, 06:34:28 PM
I finally got a chance to sit down and really listen to the remix of Season's End. I'm not a fan of some of the structural changes that were made, but the sound overall is really good.

Loved the deluxe edition.

Agreed on it sounding really good...what are the changes you noticed? I mean, I had zero issues with the way the original sounded, but I haven't dug super-deep yet to compare old vs. new...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on September 13, 2023, 07:50:07 AM
I finally got a chance to sit down and really listen to the remix of Season's End. I'm not a fan of some of the structural changes that were made, but the sound overall is really good.

Talk to me...  this wasn't one of the more obvious examples of change (now CLUTCHING...  I know that album back to front and inside out, and some of the remix changes were FOR ME jarring.)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 13, 2023, 09:30:49 AM
Can’t remember if I talked about this here or at the Marillion forum, LOL (I think it was there).

I only ever had the remastered version of Season’s End, which always sounded fine to me. The new-remix felt a bit too bass heavy and I think they toned down or eliminated some of the reverb on the drums (similar to what they did on CAS), and that kind of bothered me (especially on Easter). Really haven’t gone back to it much since I got it and gave it a few listens.

Then I recently also picked up a copy of the original mix and master on Discogs, and it is by far the best sounding of the three versions to me.

I do enjoy these remixes because I like hearing different takes on mixes, and some work better than others. I thought HIE was outstanding, and I liked what they did with Clutching. Afraid of Sunlight sounded good and had some interesting new details even if I prefer the original mix. Seasons End and Brave I feel like they really didn’t improve on anything and if anything made them slightly worse than the originals. Sometimes there’s just nowhere to go but down.

I still need to pick up Script and Fugazi at some point. I suspect those two will be more significant upgrades than some of the others (I’m just not particularly enthusiastic about those two albums).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on September 13, 2023, 11:05:06 AM
Can’t remember if I talked about this here or at the Marillion forum, LOL (I think it was there).

I only ever had the remastered version of Season’s End, which always sounded fine to me. The new-remix felt a bit too bass heavy and I think they toned down or eliminated some of the reverb on the drums (similar to what they did on CAS), and that kind of bothered me (especially on Easter). Really haven’t gone back to it much since I got it and gave it a few listens.

Then I recently also picked up a copy of the original mix and master on Discogs, and it is by far the best sounding of the three versions to me.

I do enjoy these remixes because I like hearing different takes on mixes, and some work better than others. I thought HIE was outstanding, and I liked what they did with Clutching. Afraid of Sunlight sounded good and had some interesting new details even if I prefer the original mix. Seasons End and Brave I feel like they really didn’t improve on anything and if anything made them slightly worse than the originals. Sometimes there’s just nowhere to go but down.

I still need to pick up Script and Fugazi at some point. I suspect those two will be more significant upgrades than some of the others (I’m just not particularly enthusiastic about those two albums).

I noticed a LOT of improvement with Fugazi.   I can't spend your money for you, but if you were going to buy one, that's the one.

Brave; so, let's start with the fact that I'm not the hugest Steven Wilson fan.  I think he's overrated, even regarding the remixes/remasters.  I liked what he did with the Yes remixes/remasters (and I wish he could have gotten his paws on Going For The One) but it wasn't ground breaking.  He's also done a good job with the Tull material, but that already sounded stellar in its own right, so...

I think Brave just didn't need to be done if the point was not to bring out alternate performances and what not.  I listened to it once, and will likely stick with the original (and I'm kind of pissed off, sort of, because I paid more than I should have on the secondary market, because EMI has this thing about limited runs which only screws the fans). 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on September 13, 2023, 12:30:43 PM
The thing about Fugazi is that I really like Assassing and Jigsaw, and Punch and Judy is ok, but buying that again feels like buying two songs I really care about. It’s not super expensive on Amazon as a standalone disc though, so maybe I should take the plunge.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: nick_z on September 13, 2023, 07:56:39 PM

I do enjoy these remixes because I like hearing different takes on mixes, and some work better than others. I thought HIE was outstanding, and I liked what they did with Clutching. Afraid of Sunlight sounded good and had some interesting new details even if I prefer the original mix. Seasons End and Brave I feel like they really didn’t improve on anything and if anything made them slightly worse than the originals. Sometimes there’s just nowhere to go but down.

I still need to pick up Script and Fugazi at some point. I suspect those two will be more significant upgrades than some of the others (I’m just not particularly enthusiastic about those two albums).

I got the deluxe version of HIE as a gift and I'll probably delve into it this coming weekend. Excited about it.

I'm tempted by Script...looks like the bonus stuff is tasty...
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 17, 2023, 02:03:16 PM
He sounds really good!!  I love Pete, but he's not a singer, and so many of the backing vocals with Marillion have been a sort of weak spot... they should have been using Mark all along!

Pete's better than Steve Howe (Yeah, that's a subterranean bar...).
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 17, 2023, 02:05:58 PM
Mastermind opened the Fish show at Tuxedo Junction.

Bill Berends' Mastermind?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 17, 2023, 02:08:46 PM
I finally got a chance to sit down and really listen to the remix of Season's End. I'm not a fan of some of the structural changes that were made, but the sound overall is really good.

I liked the remix of Holidays more but this wasn't too bad. I'm usually never 100 percent happy with these kinds of things so I've learned to keep the previous editions around.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 17, 2023, 02:15:06 PM
I finally got a chance to sit down and really listen to the remix of Season's End. I'm not a fan of some of the structural changes that were made, but the sound overall is really good.

Talk to me...  this wasn't one of the more obvious examples of change (now CLUTCHING...  I know that album back to front and inside out, and some of the remix changes were FOR ME jarring.)

I'd say most but all of the Deluxes have issues like that for me. Some more than orhers, but Clutching is a tough one to take. That's one I don't go back to a lot because I'm married to the original like I am with Vapor Trails. The more miles you have with an album the tougher it is.  I know there have been some successes, but I'm blanking on those at the moment. Maybe Genesis?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 17, 2023, 02:18:35 PM
Can’t remember if I talked about this here or at the Marillion forum, LOL (I think it was there).

I only ever had the remastered version of Season’s End, which always sounded fine to me. The new-remix felt a bit too bass heavy and I think they toned down or eliminated some of the reverb on the drums (similar to what they did on CAS), and that kind of bothered me (especially on Easter). Really haven’t gone back to it much since I got it and gave it a few listens.

Then I recently also picked up a copy of the original mix and master on Discogs, and it is by far the best sounding of the three versions to me.

I do enjoy these remixes because I like hearing different takes on mixes, and some work better than others. I thought HIE was outstanding, and I liked what they did with Clutching. Afraid of Sunlight sounded good and had some interesting new details even if I prefer the original mix. Seasons End and Brave I feel like they really didn’t improve on anything and if anything made them slightly worse than the originals. Sometimes there’s just nowhere to go but down.

I still need to pick up Script and Fugazi at some point. I suspect those two will be more significant upgrades than some of the others (I’m just not particularly enthusiastic about those two albums).

In my case I bought these for the art, liners, docs and bonus tracks. I kind of knew going in I wasn't going to be blown away with the fidelity. Can't speak to Brave though. Only one I haven't bothered with.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 17, 2023, 02:26:14 PM
Can’t remember if I talked about this here or at the Marillion forum, LOL (I think it was there).

I only ever had the remastered version of Season’s End, which always sounded fine to me. The new-remix felt a bit too bass heavy and I think they toned down or eliminated some of the reverb on the drums (similar to what they did on CAS), and that kind of bothered me (especially on Easter). Really haven’t gone back to it much since I got it and gave it a few listens.

Then I recently also picked up a copy of the original mix and master on Discogs, and it is by far the best sounding of the three versions to me.

I do enjoy these remixes because I like hearing different takes on mixes, and some work better than others. I thought HIE was outstanding, and I liked what they did with Clutching. Afraid of Sunlight sounded good and had some interesting new details even if I prefer the original mix. Seasons End and Brave I feel like they really didn’t improve on anything and if anything made them slightly worse than the originals. Sometimes there’s just nowhere to go but down.

I still need to pick up Script and Fugazi at some point. I suspect those two will be more significant upgrades than some of the others (I’m just not particularly enthusiastic about those two albums).

I noticed a LOT of improvement with Fugazi.   I can't spend your money for you, but if you were going to buy one, that's the one.

Brave; so, let's start with the fact that I'm not the hugest Steven Wilson fan.  I think he's overrated, even regarding the remixes/remasters.  I liked what he did with the Yes remixes/remasters (and I wish he could have gotten his paws on Going For The One) but it wasn't ground breaking.  He's also done a good job with the Tull material, but that already sounded stellar in its own right, so...

I think Brave just didn't need to be done if the point was not to bring out alternate performances and what not.  I listened to it once, and will likely stick with the original (and I'm kind of pissed off, sort of, because I paid more than I should have on the secondary market, because EMI has this thing about limited runs which only screws the fans).

Yeah, Fugazi is one of the better ones. they fattened that up a little but I don't like how Fugazi (the song) ends like that.

EMI got swallowed by Warners.

That's the industry now. Limited runs, "add value," charge more for it. Fleece the diehards and invite speculators to the after market.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 17, 2023, 02:30:59 PM
The thing about Fugazi is that I really like Assassing and Jigsaw, and Punch and Judy is ok, but buying that again feels like buying two songs I really care about. It’s not super expensive on Amazon as a standalone disc though, so maybe I should take the plunge.

If it were me and I only like two songs? Skip the deluxe and get an original for $10.

Or buy Thieving Magpie. It's got those two plus it's kind of Fish/Marillion Live greatest hits set.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on September 18, 2023, 10:22:46 AM
He sounds really good!!  I love Pete, but he's not a singer, and so many of the backing vocals with Marillion have been a sort of weak spot... they should have been using Mark all along!

Pete's better than Steve Howe (Yeah, that's a subterranean bar...).

Haha, that is a low bar.  :)
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on September 20, 2023, 05:03:04 PM
He sounds really good!!  I love Pete, but he's not a singer, and so many of the backing vocals with Marillion have been a sort of weak spot... they should have been using Mark all along!

Pete's better than Steve Howe (Yeah, that's a subterranean bar...).

Haha, that is a low bar.  :)


I do think he's improved vocally over the years and I really dig his vocals in Transatlantic.
Have to admit I cringed those two times I witnessed him sing The Great Escape on the first Transatlantic Tour.  Still get the flashbacks sometimes. Might it have been different if I actually liked the song? Don't know.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 20, 2023, 05:05:20 PM
just popping into say that while marillion isn't one of my favorite bands, clutching at straws and brave are two of my favorite records. both are masterpieces from each era!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ronnibran on November 07, 2023, 07:47:58 PM
Been on a Marillion kick lately. I posted in this thread not too long ago that I was in the middle of "discovering" Marillion.  I still probably have only really dug into maybe a third of their discography.  Since I first posted about it, I discovered Fugazi which is such an amazing album.  And in the last couple of days, I think the Clutching at Straws album finally clicked (the album as a whole).  Holy crap, Sugar Mice is such an amazing song.  Kind of pisses me off that I've been so depressed the last couple of days since I've been listening to that song so much haha.  But it's worth it.

That said, I'm not only getting into the Fish era stuff, I love the Hogarth stuff too.  I know a lot of people here were recommending Brave, and I listened to that one over and over to the point where I think that album clicked.  As a whole that album is top tier Marillion for me.  I also have been listening a lot to Holidays in Eden, even bought that on vinyl on a whim, and really like that whole album.  Also, I really dig An Hour Before It's Dark. 

All in all, I'm pretty familiar with Fugazi, Misplaced Childhood, Clutching at Straws, Season's End, Holiday's In Eden, Brave, and An Hour Before it's Dark.  I still have the rest of the discography to get into.  Instead of sampling it all I've been digging deep into an album at a time.  As far as Fish solo stuff, I've gotten into his first album.  The song Vigil is amazeballs.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on November 07, 2023, 08:11:33 PM
Sugarmice will always be in the discussion for my favorite song ever.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 07, 2023, 09:19:37 PM
Been on a Marillion kick lately. I posted in this thread not too long ago that I was in the middle of "discovering" Marillion.  I still probably have only really dug into maybe a third of their discography.  Since I first posted about it, I discovered Fugazi which is such an amazing album.  And in the last couple of days, I think the Clutching at Straws album finally clicked (the album as a whole).  Holy crap, Sugar Mice is such an amazing song.  Kind of pisses me off that I've been so depressed the last couple of days since I've been listening to that song so much haha.  But it's worth it.

That said, I'm not only getting into the Fish era stuff, I love the Hogarth stuff too.  I know a lot of people here were recommending Brave, and I listened to that one over and over to the point where I think that album clicked.  As a whole that album is top tier Marillion for me.  I also have been listening a lot to Holidays in Eden, even bought that on vinyl on a whim, and really like that whole album.  Also, I really dig An Hour Before It's Dark. 

All in all, I'm pretty familiar with Fugazi, Misplaced Childhood, Clutching at Straws, Season's End, Holiday's In Eden, Brave, and An Hour Before it's Dark.  I still have the rest of the discography to get into.  Instead of sampling it all I've been digging deep into an album at a time.  As far as Fish solo stuff, I've gotten into his first album.  The song Vigil is amazeballs.

You still have my favorite album to go with Afraid of Sunlight, plus Marbles (IMO Afraid of Sunlight, Brave, and Marbles plus Clutching at Straws are the band's masterpieces). Glad you liked An Hour Before It's Dark. Really think that's a great album too.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 07, 2023, 10:27:21 PM
Got my Deluxe Editions of Misplaced and Clutching from the band last week. Even had 2 prints hand signed by the 4, sans Fish, which is pretty cool.

I gave up on the H era after the Happiness albums. They just became more and more boring to me. Seasons End is easily my favorite H album. Much to Stads dismay, I also love This Strange Engine.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 07, 2023, 10:30:46 PM
Got my Deluxe Editions of Misplaced and Clutching from the band last week. Even had 2 prints hand signed by the 4, sans Fish, which is pretty cool.

I gave up on the H era after the Happiness albums. They just became more and more boring to me. Seasons End is easily my favorite H album. Much to Stads dismay, I also love This Strange Engine.

FWIW, I would say each album since Happiness has been a big improvement over that one and Somewhere Else. It may just not be your think, but I think they’ve really hit their stride with these last 3 albums and sort of have their sound nailed down after searching around for something new after Marbles.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on November 07, 2023, 10:44:40 PM
I just haven’t been able to get into the post-Marbles material at all. It just seems to meander and wander through unconnected ideas. Everything just feels like it’s drifting aimlessly. There are wonderful and majestic “bits” to it. I’ve been through the last two albums several times and each time I find myself getting really bored and then suddenly going, “oooo! Ok I like that bit.” And then it just aimlessly drifts into something else.

It’s like listening to your grandfather tell stories where he can’t remember the whole thing. He remembers some of the exciting stuff but then a blank look crosses his face when he realizes he has no idea what happened after that. That’s what the most recent material feels like.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 07, 2023, 10:48:55 PM
I just haven’t been able to get into the post-Marbles material at all. It just seems to meander and wander through unconnected ideas. Everything just feels like it’s drifting aimlessly. There are wonderful and majestic “bits” to it. I’ve been through the last two albums several times and each time I find myself getting really bored and then suddenly going, “oooo! Ok I like that bit.” And then it just aimlessly drifts into something else.

It’s like listening to your grandfather tell stories where he can’t remember the whole thing. He remembers some of the exciting stuff but then a blank look crosses his face when he realizes he has no idea what happened after that. That’s what the most recent material feels like.

Yeah, that’s definitely become the style more or less for the longer songs, but it’s something I enjoy personally. There are still more concise songs though that aren’t like that. And I think An Hour Before It’s Dark generally has less of that than FEAR did. The second side of AHBID is really strong in my opinion.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on November 07, 2023, 11:17:12 PM
Been on a Marillion kick lately. I posted in this thread not too long ago that I was in the middle of "discovering" Marillion.  I still probably have only really dug into maybe a third of their discography.  Since I first posted about it, I discovered Fugazi which is such an amazing album.  And in the last couple of days, I think the Clutching at Straws album finally clicked (the album as a whole).  Holy crap, Sugar Mice is such an amazing song.  Kind of pisses me off that I've been so depressed the last couple of days since I've been listening to that song so much haha.  But it's worth it.

That said, I'm not only getting into the Fish era stuff, I love the Hogarth stuff too.  I know a lot of people here were recommending Brave, and I listened to that one over and over to the point where I think that album clicked.  As a whole that album is top tier Marillion for me.  I also have been listening a lot to Holidays in Eden, even bought that on vinyl on a whim, and really like that whole album.  Also, I really dig An Hour Before It's Dark. 

All in all, I'm pretty familiar with Fugazi, Misplaced Childhood, Clutching at Straws, Season's End, Holiday's In Eden, Brave, and An Hour Before it's Dark.  I still have the rest of the discography to get into.  Instead of sampling it all I've been digging deep into an album at a time.  As far as Fish solo stuff, I've gotten into his first album.  The song Vigil is amazeballs.
Once you get to Marbles, make sure you listen to the 2 CD version. It's my favorite album of all time. A true masterpiece.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on November 07, 2023, 11:40:21 PM
+1 to the 2-disc Marbles comment.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 08, 2023, 09:27:33 AM
jammin' nailed the post-Marbles era for me. Very well put.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 08, 2023, 09:57:03 AM
The thing is, Marillion have always been pretty meandering, ever since the Fish days (Misplaced Childhood is essentially one meandering song). Marbles is replete with it. Brave had it too. It’s their trademark in a way. I don’t think it’s always worked out perfectly, but I don’t have a problem with how it’s evolved on the later albums. Not sure there is another band that approaches their compositions in quite the same way.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on November 08, 2023, 11:15:23 AM
jammin' nailed the post-Marbles era for me. Very well put.

Yep. I wholeheartedly agree.

You still have my favorite album to go with Afraid of Sunlight, plus Marbles (IMO Afraid of Sunlight, Brave, and Marbles plus Clutching at Straws are the band's masterpieces).

I'm with you on this as well. All of them are 5 star albums.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on November 08, 2023, 12:20:04 PM
I just haven’t been able to get into the post-Marbles material at all. It just seems to meander and wander through unconnected ideas. Everything just feels like it’s drifting aimlessly. There are wonderful and majestic “bits” to it. I’ve been through the last two albums several times and each time I find myself getting really bored and then suddenly going, “oooo! Ok I like that bit.” And then it just aimlessly drifts into something else.

It’s like listening to your grandfather tell stories where he can’t remember the whole thing. He remembers some of the exciting stuff but then a blank look crosses his face when he realizes he has no idea what happened after that. That’s what the most recent material feels like.

So... famously, the band would jam and Dave Meegan (producer of Brave, AOS, Anoraknophobia, and Marbles) would collate those "bits" and the band would hone them into something more substantial. I think, frankly, they miss him.  I think they still do the "jam" part, and the collection of "bits", but they don't have someone to drive the "honing".  I haven't really been able to get into anything since Marbles.   I can (mostly) deal with the politics, but I miss the ebb and flow of the best of Marillion. 

Though, for anyone that cares, on the deluxe version of AHBID, there is an instrumental version of the album and it's OUTSTANDING.  Mood music to be sure, but it's awesome to put that on for an hour and let it wash over you.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on November 08, 2023, 12:40:37 PM
if i've only heard the classic stuff and then brave and marbles, what other marillion records would you recommend? i think brave or clutching at straws are my favorite
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 08, 2023, 12:50:36 PM
if i've only heard the classic stuff and then brave and marbles, what other marillion records would you recommend? i think brave or clutching at straws are my favorite

Afraid of Sunlight.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on November 08, 2023, 01:15:48 PM
i'll check that one!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 08, 2023, 01:20:06 PM
i'll check that one!

It’s my favorite album. Not just by Marillion!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on November 08, 2023, 01:44:39 PM
i'll check that one!

It’s my favorite album. Not just by Marillion!

I'll second that. If you ever go to Las Vegas, and happen to take a road trip to the Grand Canyon, I highly recommend listening to AOS as you leave Vegas. It's a wonderful soundtrack!!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on November 08, 2023, 04:22:56 PM
if i've only heard the classic stuff and then brave and marbles, what other marillion records would you recommend? i think brave or clutching at straws are my favorite

Afraid of Sunlight.

This.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 09, 2023, 06:40:41 AM
BTW, the next Deluxe Edition to be released will be This Strange Engine. It’s been remixed by Mike Hunter and they band were doing interviews for the documentary a couple weeks ago, so I imagine this might be out next year sometime. It’s not one of my favorites, but I’m interested to see if it will benefit from some sprucing up.

Listening to Man of a Thousand Faces this morning (one of 3 legitimately great tracks on the album), and I think that track could sound much more massive if done right.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on November 09, 2023, 07:06:39 AM
BTW, the next Deluxe Edition to be released will be This Strange Engine. It’s been remixed by Mike Hunter and they band were doing interviews for the documentary a couple weeks ago, so I imagine this might be out next year sometime. It’s not one of my favorites, but I’m interested to see if it will benefit from some sprucing up.

Listening to Man of a Thousand Faces this morning (one of 3 legitimately great tracks on the album), and I think that track could sound much more massive if done right.

I've been vocal on my distaste for this record - and Mike Hunter's involvement doesn't move the needle even a little bit for me; I'm a Dave Meegan guy - but I'll give it a whirl.  I want to hear some of the behind the scenes stuff.  There was a version of... I forget, that was mooted during the AOS sessions and I'd dig that.   I like Estonia, too.   We'll see. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: XeRocks81 on November 09, 2023, 07:18:13 AM
interesting, I thought (assumed) the deluxe edition project was over as it was only the emi (or parlophone) albums?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 09, 2023, 07:19:10 AM
An Accidental Man is the one that was originally written during the AOS sessions, but I think it was in a pretty different form. It’s been released somewhere I think but I’ve never heard it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 09, 2023, 07:26:24 AM
interesting, I thought (assumed) the deluxe edition project was over as it was only the emi (or parlophone) albums?

I think there was enough interest from the fans that the band decided to keep going on their own. Not sure how far they will go since the more recent albums all have making of documentaries and have been pretty well documented with live releases.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: nick_z on November 09, 2023, 07:42:09 AM
An Accidental Man is the one that was originally written during the AOS sessions, but I think it was in a pretty different form. It’s been released somewhere I think but I’ve never heard it.

Influence from The Police is strong on that one. I like that song.

Man of a Thousand Faces is a fantastic tune.

Overall, I agree This Strange Engine is a pretty flawed record, but I have a certain fondness for it
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 09, 2023, 07:59:46 AM
Yeah, they were sailing a little too close to the “Wrapped Around Your Finger” melody on Accidental Man. Not a particular favorite of mine.

On the other hand, the song on this album that I enjoy way more than I used to is Hope For The Future. It’s good fun.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on November 09, 2023, 08:10:35 AM
interesting, I thought (assumed) the deluxe edition project was over as it was only the emi (or parlophone) albums?

I think there was enough interest from the fans that the band decided to keep going on their own. Not sure how far they will go since the more recent albums all have making of documentaries and have been pretty well documented with live releases.

I'm not going to shell out $200 per like for the Tull releases, but if they did a proper deluxe version of TSE, Radiation, .com, and Anoraknophobia, with all the b-sides and alternate tracks and what not, at a reasonable price, I'd buy those.  I know they already did a remix of Radiation (it's better!) but they didn't really make that a deluxe version; I don't recall there being any bonus material on there.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 09, 2023, 08:18:17 AM
Yeah, Radiation was just the album with the remix and the original mix on separate discs, no bonus content. Not sure I’d buy it again just for bonus content, but depends what all they dig up probably.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on November 09, 2023, 01:33:16 PM
dang, Afraid of Sunlight rules!! :metal

love the title track and the vibe and the moodiness of this a lot. thanks for the rec :tup
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 09, 2023, 01:38:25 PM
dang, Afraid of Sunlight rules!! :metal

love the title track and the vibe and the moodiness of this a lot. thanks for the rec :tup

 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 12, 2023, 02:38:19 PM
Been on a Marillion kick lately. I posted in this thread not too long ago that I was in the middle of "discovering" Marillion.  I still probably have only really dug into maybe a third of their discography.  Since I first posted about it, I discovered Fugazi which is such an amazing album.  And in the last couple of days, I think the Clutching at Straws album finally clicked (the album as a whole).  Holy crap, Sugar Mice is such an amazing song.  Kind of pisses me off that I've been so depressed the last couple of days since I've been listening to that song so much haha.  But it's worth it.

That said, I'm not only getting into the Fish era stuff, I love the Hogarth stuff too.  I know a lot of people here were recommending Brave, and I listened to that one over and over to the point where I think that album clicked.  As a whole that album is top tier Marillion for me.  I also have been listening a lot to Holidays in Eden, even bought that on vinyl on a whim, and really like that whole album.  Also, I really dig An Hour Before It's Dark. 

All in all, I'm pretty familiar with Fugazi, Misplaced Childhood, Clutching at Straws, Season's End, Holiday's In Eden, Brave, and An Hour Before it's Dark.  I still have the rest of the discography to get into.  Instead of sampling it all I've been digging deep into an album at a time.  As far as Fish solo stuff, I've gotten into his first album.  The song Vigil is amazeballs.

Enjoy the journey. Much to discover.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 12, 2023, 02:43:53 PM
Got my Deluxe Editions of Misplaced and Clutching from the band last week. Even had 2 prints hand signed by the 4, sans Fish, which is pretty cool.

I gave up on the H era after the Happiness albums. They just became more and more boring to me. Seasons End is easily my favorite H album. Much to Stads dismay, I also love This Strange Engine.

FWIW, I would say each album since Happiness has been a big improvement over that one and Somewhere Else. It may just not be your think, but I think they’ve really hit their stride with these last 3 albums and sort of have their sound nailed down after searching around for something new after Marbles.

I think so too. But I dig Somewhere Else and Happiness in more subtle ways as well.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 12, 2023, 02:48:52 PM
I just haven’t been able to get into the post-Marbles material at all. It just seems to meander and wander through unconnected ideas. Everything just feels like it’s drifting aimlessly. There are wonderful and majestic “bits” to it. I’ve been through the last two albums several times and each time I find myself getting really bored and then suddenly going, “oooo! Ok I like that bit.” And then it just aimlessly drifts into something else.

It’s like listening to your grandfather tell stories where he can’t remember the whole thing. He remembers some of the exciting stuff but then a blank look crosses his face when he realizes he has no idea what happened after that. That’s what the most recent material feels like.

Yeah, that’s definitely become the style more or less for the longer songs, but it’s something I enjoy personally. There are still more concise songs though that aren’t like that. And I think An Hour Before It’s Dark generally has less of that than FEAR did. The second side of AHBID is really strong in my opinion.

I think the meandering is is kind of the point though it can see how some wouldn't dig it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 12, 2023, 02:52:22 PM
Got my Deluxe Editions of Misplaced and Clutching from the band last week. Even had 2 prints hand signed by the 4, sans Fish, which is pretty cool.

I gave up on the H era after the Happiness albums. They just became more and more boring to me. Seasons End is easily my favorite H album. Much to Stads dismay, I also love This Strange Engine.

FWIW, I would say each album since Happiness has been a big improvement over that one and Somewhere Else. It may just not be your think, but I think they’ve really hit their stride with these last 3 albums and sort of have their sound nailed down after searching around for something new after Marbles.

I think so too. But I dig Somewhere Else and Happiness in more subtle ways as well.

I enjoy them each well enough, and there are tracks on each that are among my favorites by Marillion. But I also think those three discs could have easily been paired down to two solid or maybe even one really strong disc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 12, 2023, 03:00:55 PM

Though, for anyone that cares, on the deluxe version of AHBID, there is an instrumental version of the album and it's OUTSTANDING.  Mood music to be sure, but it's awesome to put that on for an hour and let it wash over you.

Absolutely! Think I still prefer the regular album but I'll be in the mood to pull that out once in a while and it's always nice to hear.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 12, 2023, 03:05:47 PM
BTW, the next Deluxe Edition to be released will be This Strange Engine. It’s been remixed by Mike Hunter and they band were doing interviews for the documentary a couple weeks ago, so I imagine this might be out next year sometime. It’s not one of my favorites, but I’m interested to see if it will benefit from some sprucing up.

Listening to Man of a Thousand Faces this morning (one of 3 legitimately great tracks on the album), and I think that track could sound much more massive if done right.

I cannot wait for this one! Top Tier Hogarth Marillion album for sure. I hope they don't mess too much with Hogarh's vocals they are PERFECT on this album. I'd also love to hear demos from this one.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 12, 2023, 03:13:26 PM
Yeah, Radiation was just the album with the remix and the original mix on separate discs, no bonus content. Not sure I’d buy it again just for bonus content, but depends what all they dig up probably.

I LOVE the original mix. I realize they didn't have a lot of funding to put into it, but I love the lo-fi atmosphere they managed to create. And I think the songs are good too. The remix takes a lot of that atmosphere away.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ronnibran on November 15, 2023, 04:26:58 PM
Going from suggestions here, I listened to both Afraid of Sunlight and Marbles.  Both great albums.  Of the two I gravitated towards Marbles a bit more, so I've been immersing myself in that album.  I like it more with each listen. 

I think the reason I never got into Marillion before was probably because most of it is so mellow.  Nothing wrong with that, I just normally listen to more "rockin" stuff.  I needed to be in the right mindset when I did my recent re-introduction to them. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 15, 2023, 05:00:51 PM
Going from suggestions here, I listened to both Afraid of Sunlight and Marbles.  Both great albums.  Of the two I gravitated towards Marbles a bit more, so I've been immersing myself in that album.  I like it more with each listen. 

I think the reason I never got into Marillion before was probably because most of it is so mellow.  Nothing wrong with that, I just normally listen to more "rockin" stuff.  I needed to be in the right mindset when I did my recent re-introduction to them.

Yeah, they are definitely a mood/atmosphere type of band. Usually melodic over rocking.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on November 15, 2023, 05:05:13 PM
Going from suggestions here, I listened to both Afraid of Sunlight and Marbles.  Both great albums.  Of the two I gravitated towards Marbles a bit more, so I've been immersing myself in that album.  I like it more with each listen. 

I think the reason I never got into Marillion before was probably because most of it is so mellow.  Nothing wrong with that, I just normally listen to more "rockin" stuff.  I needed to be in the right mindset when I did my recent re-introduction to them.

Yeah, they are definitely a mood/atmosphere type of band. Usually melodic over rocking.

That's been my problem with really getting connected to Marillion. I love their music on paper, and enjoy listening to them when I do, but I don't listen to them very much, and like others, Marbles (the 2CD version) is my favorite of theirs. Just enough variety and power throughout with some great performances from the whole band. Actually, I've really loved everything they've done from Marbles onward, and I feel like they've been on a plateau ever since, with slight variances here and there (not counting Less Is More and With Friends From The Orchestra, as they're basically cover-compilations).

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on November 15, 2023, 06:29:39 PM
It’s not as though there are no rocky Marillion songs. But they tend to favor mid tempos and more emotional crescendoes. I do like when they pick it up a bit, but those are not usually my favorite tracks. Generally the deeper, more significant songs are slower burns.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on November 16, 2023, 06:15:04 PM
It’s not as though there are no rocky Marillion songs. But they tend to favor mid tempos and more emotional crescendoes. I do like when they pick it up a bit, but those are not usually my favorite tracks. Generally the deeper, more significant songs are slower burns.

Fish has noted that too. He always hoped the band would "rock" out a bit more. They can do that, but I'm not sure it's there signature these days.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: red barchetta on December 03, 2023, 04:40:06 PM
I was a huge Marillion in the 80's.  They must have been in my top 3 bands and I saw them twice in concert.  Anything they releised on vinyls, I was buying.  When Fish left, I lost totally interest for the new Marillion.

Lately, I went back to listen to their stuff with Fish and got really hooked again, something I had to feel for so many years and I started to listen to all they did with Fish but also with Hogarth and read anything about them including a lot of Fish interviews.

So what I simply want is to know them totally, know what Marillion is since Hogarth and also Fish's solo career.  And so far I have listened to the first 3 albums they made with Hogarth.

The first one, Seasons end is very good.  Steve Rothery said in an interview recently that he was not nervous or anxious about that album because when Fish left he had pretty much all the music written.

The second one, Holidays in Eden has not captivate me.  It's much less progressive and sounds more pop.  I will have a few more listens but it does nothing to me so far.

The third one, Brave is good.  The band sounds like Marillion and I like some tracks but I will give it a few more spins to see if I can enjoy it more.

As I am watching a lot of stuffs too, I realise that Fish doesn't have a great voice nowadays but he was already losing it by the end of the 90s.  But no matter how he performs, I still like it.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on December 18, 2023, 09:31:20 PM
Really cool interview with Dave Meegan on the Between You And Me podcast this week:

https://shows.acast.com/5f57907317370644246453f1/episodes/657f20b31585de0012391081?

One of the interesting nuggets that I didn't know is that Meegan has autism/Aspergers, which appears to have served him well in his line of work. I also didn't realize the EMI were pushing Marillion to return more to their prog roots for Brave to recapture their original audience.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on December 19, 2023, 06:37:44 AM
Really cool interview with Dave Meegan on the Between You And Me podcast this week:

https://shows.acast.com/5f57907317370644246453f1/episodes/657f20b31585de0012391081?

One of the interesting nuggets that I didn't know is that Meegan has autism/Aspergers, which appears to have served him well in his line of work. I also didn't realize the EMI were pushing Marillion to return more to their prog roots for Brave to recapture their original audience.

I REALLY wish they'd work with him again. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on December 19, 2023, 07:20:01 AM
Really cool interview with Dave Meegan on the Between You And Me podcast this week:

https://shows.acast.com/5f57907317370644246453f1/episodes/657f20b31585de0012391081?

One of the interesting nuggets that I didn't know is that Meegan has autism/Aspergers, which appears to have served him well in his line of work. I also didn't realize the EMI were pushing Marillion to return more to their prog roots for Brave to recapture their original audience.

I REALLY wish they'd work with him again.

Same here. They created their best work with him at the helm.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on December 19, 2023, 07:27:41 AM
Really cool interview with Dave Meegan on the Between You And Me podcast this week:

https://shows.acast.com/5f57907317370644246453f1/episodes/657f20b31585de0012391081?

One of the interesting nuggets that I didn't know is that Meegan has autism/Aspergers, which appears to have served him well in his line of work. I also didn't realize the EMI were pushing Marillion to return more to their prog roots for Brave to recapture their original audience.

I REALLY wish they'd work with him again.

He asked him if he would ever consider it, but he’s essentially retired now and feels like he accomplished what he wanted to accomplish with them and wouldn’t want to make albums that might decline in quality. Think that book is closed now.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ronnibran on December 22, 2023, 04:05:33 PM
Continuing in my exploration into Marillion music....  My latest "discoveries".  I really like the album "Sounds that Can't Be Made".  The title song especially is so cool.  I also like Gaza.  The rest of the album is good too, but those are my favorites.

But why I really felt compelled to post about something...  I'm also equally trying to check out more Fish stuff.  I finally listened to the album "Weltschmerz".  OMG.  Outstanding album.  Maybe 2-3 times a year I stumble across a song that reaches me in such a way that I am utterly addicted to it.  Right now that song is "Waverley Steps".  Both musically and lyrically that song is just perfect in every way.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on December 23, 2023, 11:11:44 AM
Continuing in my exploration into Marillion music....  My latest "discoveries".  I really like the album "Sounds that Can't Be Made".  The title song especially is so cool.  I also like Gaza.  The rest of the album is good too, but those are my favorites.

But why I really felt compelled to post about something...  I'm also equally trying to check out more Fish stuff.  I finally listened to the album "Weltschmerz".  OMG.  Outstanding album.  Maybe 2-3 times a year I stumble across a song that reaches me in such a way that I am utterly addicted to it.  Right now that song is "Waverley Steps".  Both musically and lyrically that song is just perfect in every way.

Isn't it, though?  I got a little... soured with Fish's solo stuff.  I got tired of albums with two or three great songs and a handful of nonsense (Brother 52, I'm talking to you!).   But Weltschmerz is a complete album from top to bottom.  REALLY strong effort, IMO, and likely his best since his debut.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on December 23, 2023, 11:39:35 AM
I intended to check out Weltchmerz at the time and liked some of the songs I heard pre-release, but one way or another when it finally came out I forgot about it. Should go give it a listen today.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on December 23, 2023, 12:11:02 PM
I intended to check out Weltchmerz at the time and liked some of the songs I heard pre-release, but one way or another when it finally came out I forgot about it. Should go give it a listen today.

I mean, look, tastes, right?  But I find Fish sometimes goes down rabbit holes that are hard for me to follow him into, but for whatever reason, Weltschmerz is a pretty universal album.   Between the getting older, and relationships with parents, etc. it's a pretty profound piece of work, and some of his best lyrics in a long time. 
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: red barchetta on December 25, 2023, 07:36:53 AM
Continuing in my exploration into Marillion music....  My latest "discoveries".  I really like the album "Sounds that Can't Be Made".  The title song especially is so cool.  I also like Gaza.  The rest of the album is good too, but those are my favorites.

But why I really felt compelled to post about something...  I'm also equally trying to check out more Fish stuff.  I finally listened to the album "Weltschmerz".  OMG.  Outstanding album.  Maybe 2-3 times a year I stumble across a song that reaches me in such a way that I am utterly addicted to it.  Right now that song is "Waverley Steps".  Both musically and lyrically that song is just perfect in every way.

I agree with you, Sounds that can't be made is a good album.  My favorite song is Lucky man.  I am now listening to the album F.E.A.R. and it is pretty good too.  I will continue checking on all their albums and then will be looking at Fish solo career though I have already see some of his live shows and I liked the music.  I want to pay more attention to the lyrics.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on December 26, 2023, 01:37:44 PM
Continuing in my exploration into Marillion music....  My latest "discoveries".  I really like the album "Sounds that Can't Be Made".  The title song especially is so cool.  I also like Gaza.  The rest of the album is good too, but those are my favorites.

But why I really felt compelled to post about something...  I'm also equally trying to check out more Fish stuff.  I finally listened to the album "Weltschmerz".  OMG.  Outstanding album.  Maybe 2-3 times a year I stumble across a song that reaches me in such a way that I am utterly addicted to it.  Right now that song is "Waverley Steps".  Both musically and lyrically that song is just perfect in every way.

Isn't it, though?  I got a little... soured with Fish's solo stuff.  I got tired of albums with two or three great songs and a handful of nonsense (Brother 52, I'm talking to you!).   But Weltschmerz is a complete album from top to bottom.  REALLY strong effort, IMO, and likely his best since his debut.

For me, most of the nonsense is from Suits and Field Of Crows Got no problem with the rest of his work. Of course hearing the songs live always helps.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: jammindude on January 14, 2024, 09:00:11 AM
No big news. Just was a little shocked as I was standing in the Daytona airport to hear Kayleigh on the overhead music. I’ve never in my life heard that song on any overhead music anywhere, although I did hear that it was a hit in some other parts of the world.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: lonestar on January 14, 2024, 10:10:34 AM
No big news. Just was a little shocked as I was standing in the Daytona airport to hear Kayleigh on the overhead music. I’ve never in my life heard that song on any overhead music anywhere, although I did hear that it was a hit in some other parts of the world.

It's weird when it pops up like that. I had a shock when I found out my addiction counselor of four years was enough of a fan to name her kid Kayleigh.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on January 21, 2024, 10:44:45 AM
Probably mentioned this before  but I ran into my first and only Kayleigh a few years back.  She was working as a grocery store cashier. She said her parents named her after a song by some band and had no idea who they were. She couldn't be more disinterested about it. With a generation of Kaleigh's out in the world I felt fortunate to have met one from the US.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on January 21, 2024, 12:30:26 PM
My daughter goes to school with a girl named Kayleigh, but I’m not sure how it’s spelled. Doesn’t seem like the right generation to be named after the song though.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on January 21, 2024, 01:15:36 PM
I've met exactly one Kayleigh in my life, and I think she was born in the late 80s or early 90s. I haven't spoken to her in about a decade, but I think she did say she had heard the Marillion song before and believes she was named after it.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on January 21, 2024, 02:23:05 PM
Remembered that someone shared this metal cover of Kayleigh over on the Marillion forum the other day. Not my thing, but cool to see a young(er) band cover the I guess?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ouEheE6K0
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Curious Orange on January 22, 2024, 04:39:26 AM
Someone? That was me, you twerp!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on January 22, 2024, 07:24:08 AM
Someone? That was me, you twerp!

Ha! Yeah it was!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on January 29, 2024, 01:43:50 PM
one time i did sugar mice at karaoke
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Lowdz on February 01, 2024, 12:45:07 PM
I've met exactly one Kayleigh in my life, and I think she was born in the late 80s or early 90s. I haven't spoken to her in about a decade, but I think she did say she had heard the Marillion song before and believes she was named after it.

-Marc.

It’s a pretty popular name in the UK, At least from a certain time period. I have met several Kayleighs.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on February 07, 2024, 10:21:09 AM
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As we approach rehearsals for Cruise To The Edge we regret to announce that Pete Trewavas must undergo a routine surgical procedure which will leave him unable to fly to the US for some weeks. We therefore have no option but to perform on CTTE without him.

Although his absence will be keenly felt by us all, we are confident that we have a major talent in his place providing the bass-playing duties in the form of Nick Beggs.

Pete will soon be fighting fit and back with Marillion, and in the meantime we hope you all join us in sending him our best wishes for a speedy and full recovery.

h, Mark, Ian and Steve

Hope Pete recovers well!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on February 07, 2024, 10:30:32 AM
Oh man, that stinks. I imagine this is the first time they have performed without him since he joined the band. I’m sure Beggs will handle it just fine, but Pete is such a huge part of their sound.

In other news, it hasn’t really been discussed here but the band are back in the studio beginning work on their next album. The cruise and a few individual solo dates are the only things they have on the calendar this year, so hopefully they can make somewhat swift progress and get the next album out in less than the 6 years between the last two!

H also mentioned on his podcast that they had also kicked around the idea of doing an EP with some leftover tracks that haven’t made the cut on their recent albums, though he didn’t sound too confident that it would happen. Might be interesting to get something like that from them in the interim between albums.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 07, 2024, 10:38:02 AM
man..o well Pete's health is most important.

This comes on the 30th anniversary of Brave, none-the-less.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on February 07, 2024, 10:43:31 AM
Since Anoraknophobia in 2001, they've released a new album every 2-4 years, so I'd suspect the new album will probably come out Spring or Summer of 2025, a bit over 3 years since AHBID. The longest gap between albums has been from 2012's STCBM and 2016's FEAR, but if they're already writing and recording, I'm sure it'll come out by the end of 2025, especially since the last three albums all had three years gaps.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on February 07, 2024, 10:49:57 AM
Since Anoraknophobia in 2001, they've released a new album every 2-4 years, so I'd suspect the new album will probably come out Spring or Summer of 2025, a bit over 3 years since AHBID. The longest gap between albums has been from 2012's STCBM and 2016's FEAR, but if they're already writing and recording, I'm sure it'll come out by the end of 2025, especially since the last three albums all had three years gaps.

-Marc.

Yeah, obviously the pandemic played a role in the distance between the last two as well. They also do have leftover material which could end up on this album still, so that could speed things up. I think a lot of it will come down to how much they can agree on as it sounds like they always have more ideas than everyone in the band is happy to work on.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: romdrums on February 07, 2024, 11:42:39 AM
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As we approach rehearsals for Cruise To The Edge we regret to announce that Pete Trewavas must undergo a routine surgical procedure which will leave him unable to fly to the US for some weeks. We therefore have no option but to perform on CTTE without him.

Although his absence will be keenly felt by us all, we are confident that we have a major talent in his place providing the bass-playing duties in the form of Nick Beggs.

Pete will soon be fighting fit and back with Marillion, and in the meantime we hope you all join us in sending him our best wishes for a speedy and full recovery.

h, Mark, Ian and Steve

Hope Pete recovers well!

-Marc.

Bummer about Pete, but I'd love to see what Nick Beggs can bring to the table for Marillion. Hope they film this!
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on February 07, 2024, 12:18:35 PM
Since Anoraknophobia in 2001, they've released a new album every 2-4 years, so I'd suspect the new album will probably come out Spring or Summer of 2025, a bit over 3 years since AHBID. The longest gap between albums has been from 2012's STCBM and 2016's FEAR, but if they're already writing and recording, I'm sure it'll come out by the end of 2025, especially since the last three albums all had three years gaps.

-Marc.

Yeah, obviously the pandemic played a role in the distance between the last two as well. They also do have leftover material which could end up on this album still, so that could speed things up. I think a lot of it will come down to how much they can agree on as it sounds like they always have more ideas than everyone in the band is happy to work on.

Did it? I couldn't remember if they said their 20th album would've come out sooner than 2022 if it wasn't for the pandemic, but I'm sure they were delayed a bit, maybe a year or so. In that case, the gap would've only been two years instead of three or four, which has been the norm for them since 2009's Less Is More. Bands like Marillion and IQ I always expect to take at least 3 years between albums anyway, so a mid-to-late 2025 release date seems to be on-target for them, but earlier would be a welcome surprise!

I can imagine any tours or Weekends they do in 2025 will also celebrate the 40th Anniversary of Misplaced Childhood. When was the last time they played that album in full?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: Stadler on February 07, 2024, 12:26:26 PM
Has H ever performed that in full?  If not, then I would guess it's the Welcome To The Garden Party tour in late '86, no?
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on February 07, 2024, 12:37:01 PM
I think they were already scheduled to make the album in 2020, but they couldn’t all get together for parts of the year because of shutdowns, and even after that Rothery stayed home for a while because he was high risk.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: The Letter M on February 07, 2024, 01:01:01 PM
I think they were already scheduled to make the album in 2020, but they couldn’t all get together for parts of the year because of shutdowns, and even after that Rothery stayed home for a while because he was high risk.

Ahh makes sense, so that means it would've come out in 2021 most likely, which is a pretty quick turnaround.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: HOF on February 07, 2024, 01:09:39 PM
I think they were already scheduled to make the album in 2020, but they couldn’t all get together for parts of the year because of shutdowns, and even after that Rothery stayed home for a while because he was high risk.

Ahh makes sense, so that means it would've come out in 2021 most likely, which is a pretty quick turnaround.

-Marc.

The other issue was manufacturing delays post pandemic which meant they needed like a 6 month lead time to produce the album.
Title: Re: Marillion
Post by: ytserush on February 17, 2024, 11:53:02 AM
Has H ever performed that in full?  If not, then I would guess it's the Welcome To The Garden Party tour in late '86, no?

He has not.

Fish (solo) has done it twice. Fish has also done Clutching At Straws twice (but not in track order) Wouldn't mind that happenign for The Steve Rothery Band. That might be Killer.

In the meantime here's a consolation prize.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1d0c-I4baU