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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Gwii on May 11, 2009, 08:53:05 PM
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so i haven't heard any of kamelot's albums before epica; are any of them good?
feel free to discuss kamelot's awesomeness in this thread as well.
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Karma is pretty good, but way overrated. Fourth Legacy is quite good too. The other albums....eh, few good moments, but not much more.
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Karma is pretty good, but way overrated. Fourth Legacy is quite good too. The other albums....eh, few good moments, but not much more.
This. Especially the comment on Karma.
Of course, Kamelot is legendary with just their last three albums in any case.
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Yes. The Fourth Legacy and Karma are awesome.
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Fourth Legacy is awesome.
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cool, i will check out those two then.
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I just deleted all my Kamelot songs!
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I just deleted all my Kamelot songs!
why?
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I just deleted all my Kamelot songs!
why?
I don't know why, but I just realized that I have overgrown that dark metal era. I suddenly don't like it anymore. I'm sweeping my iTunes library and getting rid off of music I no longer listen to.
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I just deleted all my Kamelot songs!
why?
I don't know why, but I just realized that I have overgrown that dark metal era. I suddenly don't like it anymore. I'm sweeping my iTunes library and getting rid off of music I no longer listen to.
ahh i see.
i should do that with my itunes; it's soooooo cluttered right now.
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Really, cluttered media library is why I buy music, if I didn't I would have so much music, and I would listen to the same shit over and over again.
Anyways, Karma is good, but I'm not adding anything by saying that.
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Fourth Legacy is worth it alone for Lunar Sanctum.
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One of my favorite bands :metal
They are one of the most awesome live bands ever, If you ever have the chance to see them - do so. But maybe part of the awesomeness was that there are loads of Kamelot fans in the Netherlands, probably more then in any other country :metal. The concerts are sold out 6 months before :metal.
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Eh, their ok, but not too special for me. A few of their songs are kool though
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I just deleted all my Kamelot songs!
why?
I don't know why, but I just realized that I have overgrown that dark metal era. I suddenly don't like it anymore. I'm sweeping my iTunes library and getting rid off of music I no longer listen to.
And then what happens when at some point you decide you want to listen to that stuff again? My listening habits change but I very rarely decide that suddenly I dislike something enough to delete it.
Anyway Karma is my favourite Kamelot album, but other than that the other pre-Epica albums are mostly uninspiring. Fourth Legacy has it's good bits, but it's not particularly great. The others I'd say don't even bother with.
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Pretty much love all of their albums.
I'd say The Black Halo is their best album, just.
Ghost Opera has some badass tunes.
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Fourth Legacy has it's good bits, but it's not particularly great. The others I'd say don't even bother with.
I'll have to disagree here.
1. "New Allegiance (Instrumental)" 5/5
2. "The Fourth Legacy" 4/5
3. "Silent Goddess" 4/5
4. "Desert Reign (Instrumental)" 4/5
5. "Nights of Arabia" 5/5
6. "The Shadow of Uther" 4.5/5
7. "A Sailorman's Hymn" 5/5
8. "Alexandria" 4.5/5
9. "The Inquisitor" 5/5
10. "Glory" 5/5
11. "Until Kingdom Come" 4/5
12. "Lunar Sanctum" 6/5
Rank: 4.58
Seriously, as far as this genre is concerned it doesn't get any better than this. Also, The Expedition is a great live album with some of the older songs sung by Khan. Call of the Sea Expedition are fucking outstanding live.
Karma, Epica, The Black Halo are probably all near perfect 5/5 for me. Having seen them live I have to agree with whoever said it before - they rule live. Khan is one of the best live singers I've heard. The only problem I have with him is that he often skips the few high notes he used to sing on the albums. I don't know if he doesn't like them or is uncertain in his voice...
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Don't forget "Millenium". Absolutely killer live.
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Love You To Death (https://vimeo.com/4602208?pg=embed&sec=)
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I just deleted all my Kamelot songs!
why?
I don't know why, but I just realized that I have overgrown that dark metal era. I suddenly don't like it anymore. I'm sweeping my iTunes library and getting rid off of music I no longer listen to.
And then what happens when at some point you decide you want to listen to that stuff again? My listening habits change but I very rarely decide that suddenly I dislike something enough to delete it.
Not sure it's going to happen. And if it happens, well, there's YouTube...
And apparently I didn't delete "Epica" nor "The Gourth Legacy". And somehow "Black Tower" and "Millenium" survived.
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The Fourth Legacy is good, too, but I'd stick to post-Epica albums. The rest gives off the vibe of uninspired power metal.
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It just hit me today that the state of metal's lyricists is pathetic if the best metal lyricist speaks English as a second language.
Also, Kamelot's recording a new album!!!!!!!!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Should be awesome. They're the only band I have complete faith in to make a great album.
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Kamelot is awesome, but I have not dug deep into the albums before The Fourth Legacy.
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One of my favorite bands, they used to be #1, and they introduced me to both power metal and prog metal. So I owe them a lot.
I'd rank the albums:
1. Epica
2. Epica
3. Epica
4. The Black Halo
5. The Fourth Legacy
6. Karma
7. Ghost Opera
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Kamelot can do no wrong in my book. Khan rules the earth.
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The first time I heard these guys was at my friends house, we were watchin A Cold Winters Night. I loved them after that. I only own Ghost Opera, and that is a good album, I like the vocal harmonies and the whole symphonic element of it.
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Rush - Armor and Sword
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lolwut
The one thing I'd change about Kamelot's sound is have them do longer instrumental breaks. Their songs, although they work quite well, tend to be quite formulaic. It's a shame because they have some great musicians, but they never do prolongued instrumental periods. I think them doing longer songs like Memento Mori would be great.
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Rush - Armor and Sword
stop pretending to be Sigz :yarr
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Awesome band. Nights of Arabia has to be one of my favorite songs ever, the drumming in that song is so good and I like the eastern kind of vibe. Also, Khan is to fucking great, he has an awesome range. A Cold Winters Night, awesome DVD! Great to hear that they are currently recording a new album!
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1. Karma
2. Epica
3. The Black Halo
4. The 4th Legacy
5. Ghost Opera
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Ive been listening to Ghost Opera a lot lately, Im hooked.
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Ive been listening to Ghost Opera a lot lately, Im hooked.
Yeah, Ghost Opera's a lot better than it's been getting credit for in this thread.
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I think the only reason why Ghost Opera isn't really loved that much around here is because it's the 3rd or 4th album with the same mood/sound they've done. For a new Kamelot fan it's probably a really awesome album, but for old fans it's just nothing that new. That said, it's still a great CD.
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I think the only reason why Ghost Opera isn't really loved that much around here is because it's the 3rd or 4th album with the same mood/sound they've done. For a new Kamelot fan it's probably a really awesome album, but for old fans it's just nothing that new. That said, it's still a great CD.
Well I can hardly argue with that seeing as I'm a new fan.
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I think the only reason why Ghost Opera isn't really loved that much around here is because it's the 3rd or 4th album with the same mood/sound they've done. For a new Kamelot fan it's probably a really awesome album, but for old fans it's just nothing that new. That said, it's still a great CD.
Pretty much this exactly!
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I think the only reason why Ghost Opera isn't really loved that much around here is because it's the 3rd or 4th album with the same mood/sound they've done. For a new Kamelot fan it's probably a really awesome album, but for old fans it's just nothing that new. That said, it's still a great CD.
Well I can hardly argue with that seeing as I'm a new fan.
Same here, new fan. I also really like The Fourth Legacy. Quite a different sound. I ordered thier DVD on Ebay for like 12 bucks. From what I hear, it is very good and the tracklist looks awesome.
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Figured I'd bump this thread since Kamelot just updated thier tour with US dates.
https://www.kamelot.com/2010tour.html
I plan on seeing them in NYC on September 15th.
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I'll be listening to Ghost Opera in the next few days for the first time.
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I'll be listening to Ghost Opera in the next few days for the first time.
Wasn't a fan. First 3 or 4 songs are good. Then it just seems to lose any drive or energy. Kamelot without energy is like nickelback with the lameness, it's just not right.
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I wish they would announce their new album.
Getting tired of waiting!
Ghost Opera was pure awesome.
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I'll be listening to Ghost Opera in the next few days for the first time.
Wasn't a fan. First 3 or 4 songs are good. Then it just seems to lose any drive or energy. Kamelot without energy is like nickelback with the lameness, it's just not right.
I agree. I think I've only listened to Ghost Opera like, twice
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How their live album? I was thinking of getting it
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How their live album? I was thinking of getting it
Expeditions or whatever is good. Short, but good. However, if you can get the newer one (DVD) get it, it's purely amazing.
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How their live album? I was thinking of getting it
Expeditions or whatever is good. Short, but good. However, if you can get the newer one (DVD) get it, it's purely amazing.
Yeah, I would get the DVD. A Cold Winter's Night I think its called
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I'll be listening to Ghost Opera in the next few days for the first time.
Wasn't a fan. First 3 or 4 songs are good. Then it just seems to lose any drive or energy. Kamelot without energy is like nickelback with the lameness, it's just not right.
I thought the opposite. Love You To Death is easily the best song on the album.
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I'll be listening to Ghost Opera in the next few days for the first time.
Wasn't a fan. First 3 or 4 songs are good. Then it just seems to lose any drive or energy. Kamelot without energy is like nickelback with the lameness, it's just not right.
I thought the opposite. Love You To Death is easily the best song on the album.
Absolutely.
2nd best song by Kamelot IMO.
Memento Mori takes the top spot for me.
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By the way, new Kamelot album is coming out March (22nd? sometime in March). No details on title/artwork/tracklisting yet, but I think they will be coming soon.
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Wow that soon? I wonder why there isn't more news on it then...
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I'll be listening to Ghost Opera in the next few days for the first time.
Wasn't a fan. First 3 or 4 songs are good. Then it just seems to lose any drive or energy. Kamelot without energy is like nickelback with the lameness, it's just not right.
I thought the opposite. Love You To Death is easily the best song on the album.
Absolutely.
2nd best song by Kamelot IMO.
Memento Mori takes the top spot for me.
:omg:
Same!
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Love You to Death....the lyrics are good and all, it's just sort of....gay. I mean, I like it, but.....yeah
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Love You to Death....the lyrics are good and all, it's just sort of....gay. I mean, I like it, but.....yeah
I liked the song when I first had the album, but I just dont really like it anymore.
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Ghost Opera is Kamelot on Valium.
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Ghost Opera is Kamelot on Valium.
Very good way to look at it. Minus the first 4 songs.
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Yeah, I lose interest after the first four songs. It just sounds so uninspired and boring.
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I always liked the second half more, Eden Echo, Anthem, Mourning Star, and Up Through the Ashes are all ace tracks.
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So, I got my first Kamelot album a couple weeks ago (Ghost Opera). It was good but nothing spectacular. Anthem is a very beautiful song though. The singer can get a bit over-dramatic sometimes, but it's alright.
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The Black Halo is their best work, and probably the best power metal album ever. Memento Mori and March of Mephisto are pure sex.
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The Black Halo is their best work, and probably the best power metal album ever. Memento Mori and March of Mephisto are pure sex.
This post makes up for your last one.
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I love Ghost Opera. I have a constant inner battle over whether I prefer the Black Halo or not.
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How their live album? I was thinking of getting it
Expeditions or whatever is good. Short, but good. However, if you can get the newer one (DVD) get it, it's purely amazing.
Yeah, I would get the DVD. A Cold Winter's Night I think its called
One Cold Winter Night is my favorite concert DVD. Just great performance and well produced all around. Khan puts on such a great performance. Also has a reall good track list.
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what if there's a God a hell and heaven
fire is the torment I must face
dying by the souls I have forsaken
no one's going to catch my fall from grace
God this song is so fucking great, this thread has gotten me back into Kamelot!
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About to listen to Ghost Opera for the first time.
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The Black Halo and Karma are my two favorite albums. Kamelot has been one of my favorite bands for the past 5 years.
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I'm sorry if this offends anyone hear, but I'm about halfway through Ghost Opera (on "Mourning Star"), and I'm not impressed by it. I think it's bland power metal, right next to Stratovarius' Elements, Pt. 1. It might take a few listens to get comfortable with me, but the only slightly enjoyable song was "Ghost Opera." Bands like Iced Earth and Symphony X didn't come off like this, and DragonForce kinda did, so maybe it's just that I don't like some flavors of power metal.
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First off, Elements pt. 1 is some good shit.
Secondly, Ghost Opera is definitely bland compared to some of their earlier albums.
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I'd really like to see them live now that I know that their touring here.
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Yeah, Kamelot are pretty unique as far as power metal goes. The Black Halo or The Fourth Legacy are probably better places to start. Although it took me a while to get into TFL.
Or OCWN is glorious. That's One Cold Winter's Night, the live album. Fantastic.
(That said, I do really dig Ghost Opera, nice dark vibe - it just feels a bit more like a collection of cool songs than a particularly outstanding album.)
Itching for info about the new album, now. It's getting a bit close to release.
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Honestly, Im not a "Kamelot fan", but I really like their faster songs and Khan's voice. Either way, like I said, I'd like to see them live
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Kamelot sound nothing like any other power metal band. They have nearly none of the characteristics. The drum patterns, key choices, darker themes and vocal styles are all different from what we've come to accept as the power metal template.
I don't particularly like power metal, but I love Kamelot.
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Kamelot? It's only a model.
But seriously, I should check this band out.
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I'm sorry if this offends anyone hear, but I'm about halfway through Ghost Opera (on "Mourning Star"), and I'm not impressed by it. I think it's bland power metal, right next to Stratovarius' Elements, Pt. 1. It might take a few listens to get comfortable with me, but the only slightly enjoyable song was "Ghost Opera." Bands like Iced Earth and Symphony X didn't come off like this, and DragonForce kinda did, so maybe it's just that I don't like some flavors of power metal.
To be fair, Ghost Opera took a loooooooooooooooong time to grow on me. It's a lot less catchy and hooky then their previous releases, but it has a very unique and interesting sound that, once you get into it, is amazing.
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Ghost Opera is terrible. Karma, Epica and The Black Halo are the only Kamelot albums I can still listen to nowadays.
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Kamelot seem to be the only power metal band who don't do the exact same drumbeat for all their songs. coughsonataarticaough.
Ghost Opera is terrible. Karma, Epica and The Black Halo are the only Kamelot albums I can still listen to nowadays.
I always thought pre-Karma Kamelot was crap anyway.
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What? 4th Legacy is great, definitely better than Ghost Opera.
But yeah, the first three albums are very skippable.
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I can't believe the hate for Ghost Opera. It's far from typical power metal, but that's one of the reasons I really like it.
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I went to Best Buy today to buy Kamelot's live album and Opeth's live albums, but alas, they were sold out (And I always see them there too)
:sadpanda:
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Ghost Opera terrible? I wouldn't go that far. It's about as good as Epica I'd say. A slight step down from the sequential order from Black Halo, but still up to par. I mean, the title track is a Kamelot classic. By far one of the best tunes in the cannon. I also like Rule the World. Great opener.
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"Ghost Opera" is a very good song. Been in my head all day. Honestly, it's the only one that I liked.
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Ghost Opera terrible? I wouldn't go that far. It's about as good as Epica I'd say. A slight step down from the sequential order from Black Halo, but still up to par. I mean, the title track is a Kamelot classic. By far one of the best tunes in the cannon. I also like Rule the World. Great opener.
Yes, but after the song after Ghost Opera it's all just chuggy chuggy mid paced rock with NO inspiration. Few cool melodies/riffs here and there, but no real good songs.
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Ghost Opera terrible? I wouldn't go that far. It's about as good as Epica I'd say. A slight step down from the sequential order from Black Halo, but still up to par. I mean, the title track is a Kamelot classic. By far one of the best tunes in the cannon. I also like Rule the World. Great opener.
Yes, but after the song after Ghost Opera it's all just chuggy chuggy mid paced rock with NO inspiration. Few cool melodies/riffs here and there, but no real good songs.
Pretty much my thoughts exactly
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Ghost Opera terrible? I wouldn't go that far. It's about as good as Epica I'd say. A slight step down from the sequential order from Black Halo, but still up to par. I mean, the title track is a Kamelot classic. By far one of the best tunes in the cannon. I also like Rule the World. Great opener.
Yes, but after the song after Ghost Opera it's all just chuggy chuggy mid paced rock with NO inspiration. Few cool melodies/riffs here and there, but no real good songs.
Pretty much my thoughts exactly
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I don't know, a lot of the vocal melodies are still strong to me, although they may seem like second rate b-sides in comparison to the genius of The Black Halo. I guess they just inadvertently set the bar too high with that album. I mean, it's perfect. It's my favorite album of the entire decade. That's hard to follow up, but I think they did it as best as they could. I'm looking forward to the new one though. I'm betting the quality will be a step up. That seems to be the pattern. Great album, followed by a good album, and back again.
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Yes, but after the song after Ghost Opera it's all just chuggy chuggy mid paced rock with NO inspiration. Few cool melodies/riffs here and there, but no real good songs.
Love You To Death isn't chuggy chuggy mid paced rock. Silence Of The Darkness is nice too.
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Kamelot's first show of the tour was last night. Supposedly this was the setlist:
1. Ghost Opera
2. Eden Echo
3. Pandemonium
4. Karma
5. Center Of The Universe
6. Wander
7. Instrumental jam
8. The Pendulous Fall
9. Lights
10. Keyboard Solo
11. The Haunting
12. Hunters Season
13. Human Stain
14. Drum Solo
15. Forever
16. The Black Halo
17. Season's End
18. Rule the World
19. March of Mephisto
Lots of Ghost Opera :metal
Also live debut of Season's End and the three new tracks.
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I assume Pandemonium, Hunters Season and The Pendulous Fall are all new songs?
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The Pendulous Fall's a bonus track from Ghost Opera. I believe "Lights" is the other new one.
Keep in mind I don't know for sure if the track titles or setlist is correct.
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I think "Lights" might refer to When The Lights Are Down.
I wish I could get into Ghost Opera more, but damn is it boring..
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Just listen to Love You To Death. Seriously, it's probably my 2nd favourite Kamelot song (Memento Mori #1 obviously)
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I think "Lights" might refer to When The Lights Are Down.
Maybe.
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Just listen to Love You To Death. Seriously, it's probably my 2nd favourite Kamelot song (Memento Mori #1 obviously)
The solo is sick. The lyrics are cheesy as hell, but it is a very good song.
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I just came back from seeing them live again. I almost forgot how awesome they are live. But that is probably also due to the crowd. Tickets to the venue were sold out months ago whilst non of the other venue's are sold out. This venue is a sort of meeting place for the die hard Kamelot fans on each tour.
I heard 2 new songs. One was called Hunting Season and I forgot the name of the other one. They were quite cool. The new tour is called Pandemonium over Europe, so Pandemonium can be probably be the album name or a song name (last tour was called the rule the world tour).
They also said that there are plans to record another DVD, to be filmed in the Netherlands (for above reason; crowd is just amazing).
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damn it D: I reeeeally want to see them live but none of my friends like them enough. It's crazy, one of my friends is into power metal more than me but he doesn't like kamelot. At all.
Also, what is with this avatar Voxyn?
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Any other comments on the setlist?
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damn it D: I reeeeally want to see them live but none of my friends like them enough. It's crazy, one of my friends is into power metal more than me but he doesn't like kamelot. At all.
Also, what is with this avatar Voxyn?
No idea. All the cool kids were using this avatar.
Any other comments on the setlist?
I think it was almost the same as above. Forever took a bit longer though, because the crowd would not shut up - at all. We kept chanting the main melody thingie for about 5 minutes till Khan said it was enough and that we should continue on :p. He had a huge grin on his face though, and told us that things like this are the reason that they love the Dutch crowd so much.
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I'm pumped that they're playing TBH again :metal :metal :metal
Tilburg set for you TheVoxyn:
01 Ghost Opera
02 EdenEcho
03 The Great Pandemonium
04 The Human Stain
05 Center of the Universe
06 Wander
07 Instrumental jam
08 The Pendulous Fall
09 When the Lights are Down
10 Keyboard Solo
11 The Haunting With Elize from Amaranthe for the female vocal
12 Hunters Season
13 Rule the World
14 Drum Solo
15 Forever
Encore:
16 Interlude II: Un Assassinio Molto Silenzioso
17 The Black Halo
18 Season's End (with Charlotte Wessels from Delain)
19 Karma
Encore 2:
20 March of Mephisto
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Thanks.
It was an amazing concert, will definitely be there in Tilburg next tour.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aa_HO-1QVI&feature=channel
Watch while it's still online!
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cant wait to see them in nyc in september.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aa_HO-1QVI&feature=channel
Watch while it's still online!
Can't tell anything from that quality.
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Amsterdam setlist
01 Ghost Opera
02 Eden Echo
03 The Great Pandemonium
04 Moonlight
05 Centre of the Universe
06 Sailormans Hymn
07 Instrumental jam
08 The Pendulous Fall
09 When the Lights are Down
10 Keyboard Solo
11 The Haunting With Elize from Amaranthe for the female vocal
12 Hunters Season
13 Rule the World
14 Drum Solo
15 Forever
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16 Memento Mori
17 Season's End
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18 March of Mephisto
Moonlight, A Sailorman's Hymn, and Memento Mori? :metal
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Amsterdam setlist
01 Ghost Opera
02 Eden Echo
03 The Great Pandemonium
04 Moonlight
05 Centre of the Universe
06 Sailormans Hymn
07 Instrumental jam
08 The Pendulous Fall
09 When the Lights are Down
10 Keyboard Solo
11 The Haunting With Elize from Amaranthe for the female vocal
12 Hunters Season
13 Rule the World
14 Drum Solo
15 Forever
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16 Memento Mori
17 Season's End
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18 March of Mephisto
Moonlight, A Sailorman's Hymn, and Memento Mori? :metal
Well frack....
Was it the original or rock version of Sailormans Hymn?
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Dunno. I don't know which version was played in '05 either, but I would suspect it was the rock one.
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A Sailorman's Hymn live; first video bootleg of it AFAIK:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Oq0yuTFgjQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3FYPtHEyMA
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Amsterdam setlist
01 Ghost Opera
02 Eden Echo
03 The Great Pandemonium
04 Moonlight
05 Centre of the Universe
06 Sailormans Hymn
07 Instrumental jam
08 The Pendulous Fall
09 When the Lights are Down
10 Keyboard Solo
11 The Haunting With Elize from Amaranthe for the female vocal
12 Hunters Season
13 Rule the World
14 Drum Solo
15 Forever
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16 Memento Mori
17 Season's End
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18 March of Mephisto
Moonlight, A Sailorman's Hymn, and Memento Mori? :metal
Well frack....
Was it the original or rock version of Sailormans Hymn?
wow, what an awesome set (assuming the new songs rock)
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Just dropping by to say "Ghost Opera" is an awesome song.
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Just dropping by to say "Ghost Opera" is an awesome song.
Indeed it is
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Paris set
1. Ghost Opera
2. EdenEcho
3. The Great Pandemonium
4. Lost & Damned
5. Center of the Universe
6. Anthem
7. Instrumental Jam
8. The Pendulous Fall
9. When the Lights Are Down
10. Keyboard solo
11. The Haunting (with Simone Simons)
12. Hunters Season
13. Rule the World
14. Drum Solo
15. Forever
16. Interlude II: Un Assassinio Molto Silenzioso
17. The Black Halo
18. Seasons End
19. Karma
20. March of Mephisto
First appearances of Anthem, Lost & Damned, and Simone this tour.
Nice to see Lost & Damned, because afaik it hadn't been played since 2004.
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I only have Epica and The Black Halo.
Two amazing albums right there.
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I would kill to see Lost & Damned live :sadpanda:
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If anyone was interested in what the Instrumental jam sounded like, here it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugLhSiLajw4&feature=related
It's actually a really good instrumental, and reinforces my belief that Kamelot should have more instrumental passages in their songs because damnit if they don't know how to write one.
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I saw them in Paris with Zyrosis.
It was quite possibly the best show I have ever seen live and they played every single song I wanted to hear.
The final encore with "March of Mephisto" was absolutely insane, too.
All Hail Kamelot! :hefdaddy
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You mean Quadrochosis.
But yea, it was an awesome show, they have an incredible stage presence and all the songs were great.
There was like 5 encores because those crazy Europeans wouldn't let them leave.
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Kamelot loves us crazy Europeans :D.
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Just curious, who's doing the devil parts of MoM? Is it just Thomas or did they bring someone along?
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There's someone else that they're using.
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Found the setlist for the show I was at:
1. Ghost Opera
2. EdenEcho
3. Pandemonium*
4. Lost & Damned
5. Center Of The Universe
6. Anthem
7. Instrumental Jam
8. The Pendulous Fall
9. When The Lights Are Down
10. Keyboard Solo
11. The Haunting (Somewhere In Time)
12. Hunter's Season*
13. Solitaire
14. Rule The World
15. Drum Solo
16. Forever
ENCORE 1
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17. Interlude II: Un Assassinio Mo
18. The Black Halo
19. Seasons' End
20. Karma
ENCORE 2
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21. March of Mephisto
* = New Songs
Basically the best possible set they could have done. The only song I could think of that I wish they did was "Memento Mori," but the rest of the set more than made up for it.
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Season's End isn't a new song. It was a bonus for Ghost Opera.
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Oh, woops, thanks for fixing that.
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Oh, wow, fail, didn't realize you posted the set here already, my apologies.
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Best setlist yet, imo. From Madrid:
1. Ghost Opera
2. EdenEcho
3. The Great Pandemonium
4. Lost & Damned
5. Center of the Universe
6. Wander
7. Instrumental jam
8. The Pendulous Fall
9. When the Lights Are Down
10. Keyboard Solo
11. The Haunting (with Elize from Amaranthe)
12. Hunter's Season
13. Forever
14. Rule the World
15. Drum Solo
16. Season's End
17. Memento Mori
18. Karma
19. March of Mephisto
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Kamelot is coming to the Trocadero in September :metal
Any word on the new album?
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They're playing near me the day before I'm seeing Iced Earth, and in the same venue I'll be seeing IE in, but I'm only familiar with Ghost Opera, so I'm probably not gonna go.
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Dude that's fucking weird. the first time I saw both Kamelot and Iced Earth was a day apart two years ago as well. Why don't they just tour together? Nice fit.
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Dude that's fucking weird. the first time I saw both Kamelot and Iced Earth was a day apart two years ago as well. Why don't they just tour together? Nice fit.
That would be a very good show, and to add to the coincidence, if I do decide to see Kamelot, It'll be my first time seeing both bands as well. :lol
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VIP packages for Kamelot are 100 bucks.
No way.
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Khan's expressions and hand gestures in the video for The Human Stain are hilarious, especially at the end.
That is all.
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Khan's expressions and hand gestures in the video for The Human Stain are hilarious, especially at the end.
That is all.
That's a Slayer song silly. :P
:neverusethis:
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New album's going to have a 10 minute song.
https://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=414841202&blogId=533693537
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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New album's going to have a 10 minute song.
https://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=414841202&blogId=533693537
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Hopefully that doesn't mean a 4 minute classical/sound effect section that drags on and on and on.
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Or a slow boring Ghost Opera style song.
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Or a slow boring Ghost Opera style song.
They said the new album won't differ much in style from Ghost Opera. As soon as they said they I had a major drop in enthusiasm.
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They also said they consider GO to be an extension of the Black Halo sound. Chillax.
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I really hope they do something different. The Karma - GO cycle was fun and good enough, but more albums with a similar overall sound will really make me think twice before I buy anything they put out.
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They also said they consider GO to be an extension of the Black Halo sound. Chillax.
Well they said all the lyrics are about death and whatever, sounds like more mid-paced rock to me.
I dunno, I'll buy it. But I have low hopes. However, I would be VERY happy to be wrong.
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Bad Kamelot is still marginally superior to the best works of plenty of other popular artists, so I have little fear that it will not disappear.
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Bad Kamelot is still marginally superior to the best works of plenty of other popular artists, so I have little fear that it will not disappear.
Oh I agree. Which is why I hold Kamelot to higher standards than plenty of other popular artists.
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Agreed. I'm still trying to figure out why the fuck I put "Disappear" in my last post though :lol
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Are there any good recordings of the new songs from theier recent European tour? I guess that would help people determine how the new album may sound. Im not so sure I want to spoil myself by listening, but I wouldn't mind hearing what other people have to say. THey just better have the album out before September (which they should) otherwise Ill hear the new songs live before the album anyway and ruin the point of waiting.
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Are there any good recordings of the new songs from theier recent European tour? I guess that would help people determine how the new album may sound. Im not so sure I want to spoil myself by listening, but I wouldn't mind hearing what other people have to say. THey just better have the album out before September (which they should) otherwise Ill hear the new songs live before the album anyway and ruin the point of waiting.
Everything I heard was bad, quality wise. But, one of the intros had the same drum beat as Decent of The Archangel, which is cool, hopefully the riff is just as cool.
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I saw a few of the songs on the tour when I saw them in France. It was cool, but very GO sounding. I liked GO though so..
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They're playing near me the day before I'm seeing Iced Earth, and in the same venue I'll be seeing IE in, but I'm only familiar with Ghost Opera, so I'm probably not gonna go.
Funny. They are playing in the DC area the day AFTER Iced Earth. Looking forward to both shows.
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Based on this thread I listened to a couple songs. They didn't totally reach out and grab me, but intrigued me enough to check out more of their material. Thanks dtf.org :tup
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They're playing near me the day before I'm seeing Iced Earth, and in the same venue I'll be seeing IE in, but I'm only familiar with Ghost Opera, so I'm probably not gonna go.
Funny. They are playing in the DC area the day AFTER Iced Earth. Looking forward to both shows.
:lol They should just tour together! With Iced Earth headlining
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What's that Birch? You started to trail off there and I couldn't hear you :P
If they did tour, I'd say they should co-headline. Both 90 min. sets and alternating slots.
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What's that Birch? You started to trail off there and I couldn't hear you :P
If they did tour, I'd say they should co-headline. Both 90 min. sets and alternating slots.
Stop it, you're turning me on.
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What's that Birch? You started to trail off there and I couldn't hear you :P
If they did tour, I'd say they should co-headline. Both 90 min. sets and alternating slots.
That would be an awesome show. LOL made you look
What's that Birch? You started to trail off there and I couldn't hear you :P
If they did tour, I'd say they should co-headline. Both 90 min. sets and alternating slots.
Stop it, you're turning me on.
:lol
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20 July 2010 | North America Release Announcement
Knife Fight Media confirm Kamelots Poetry For The Poisoned North American Release on KMG Recordings
Knife Fight Media is proud to announce that American/Norwegian metallers KAMELOT have formed the recording label Kamelot Media Group (KMG Recordings). Teaming up with DisManic Distribution via E1 and the brand marketing and promotions company Knife Fight Media, the premier KMG label release will be the North American debut of KAMELOTS highly anticipated 9th studio album, Poetry For The Poisoned, on September 14, 2010.
KAMELOT is one of metals most unique, influential and prestigious acts to come along in decades. The formation of KMG Recordings seems a natural progression for the group. Guitarist Thomas Youngblood states, "We are in a very unique and fast changing era for the music world; I am very excited about the new venture of KMG in North America. We have a team of experienced and passionate people working with us on this new release, which will be another step for Kamelot and our fans." KMG Recordings turned to Gunter Ford, music veteran and founder of World Entertainment inc. and Knife Fight Media, who worked with them on their Ghost Opera and The Black Halo releases, to oversee and manage the new label. Gunter adds, In these changing times, Knife Fight Media was created in order to provide marketing, promotion, product development and label management services for artists and labels in need of maximizing their Brand in a fast changing and challenging landscape of the North American Music Industry. I believe the Kamelot Brand is one of the leaders in its genre. I will be working closely with Thomas Youngblood, Roy Khan, DisManic and the Knife Fight Media team around this fantastic new release to grow Poetry For The Poisoned even beyond the level of success we experienced with their previous releases in North America.
KAMELOTs reputation among fans and media alike is marked by enthusiasm as well as esteem, with each of their eight studio albums surpassing its predecessor in terms of songwriting, production and commercial results. Poetry for the Poisoned promises to be the bands most insightful and ambitious album to date.
Poetry For The Poisonedwas recorded at Gate Studios in Wolfsburg, Germany with producers Sascha Paeth and Miro and features guest appearances by Simone Simons (EPICA), Gus G. (OZZY OSBOURNE, FIREWIND), Bjφrn Speed Strid (SOILWORK) and Jon Oliva (SAVATAGE, JON OLIVAS PAIN).
Poetry for the Poisoned will be available in three versions (Regular CD edition, Digipak CD with bonus DVD and 2LP gatefold vinyl edition). DVD bonus material: Kamelot Video The Great Pandemonium. Exclusive and In Depth Interviews with each Kamelot member. Kamelot Pick and Play for the song The Great Pandemonium. Kamelot Poetry for the Poisoned Background Images. Exclusive video footage from Norway Rock Festival 2010. Bonus Song House on a Hill(uncut version).
KAMELOT will release Poetry for the Poisoned through earMusic/Edel in Europe on September 10, 2010. Marquee/Avalon Records will release in Japan.
KAMELOT will embark on its first North American tour in two years starting September 8th. Support on the trek will come from LEAVES EYES and BLACKGUARD.
Poetry For The Poisoned Track Listing:
1. The Great Pandemonium
2. If Tomorrow Came
3. Dear Editor
4. The Zodiac
5. Hunters Season
6. House On A Hill
7. Necropolis
8. My Train Of Thoughts
9. Seal Of Woven Years
-Poetry For The Poisoned-
10. PT I Incubus
11. PT II So Long
12. PT III All Is Over
13. PT IV Dissection
14. Once Upon A Time
Kamelot North American Fall 2010 Tour Dates:
Sep 08, 2010 Lake Buena Vista, FL - US House of Blues
Sep 10, 2010 Atlanta, GA - US Progpower USA
Sep 11, 2010 Springfield, VA - US Jaxx Nightclub
Sep 14, 2010 Philadelphia, PA - US The Trocadero
Sep 15, 2010 New York, NY - US Nokia Theatre
Sep 17, 2010 Worcester, MA - US The Palladium
Sep 18, 2010 Montreal QUE - CAN Club Soda
Sep 19, 2010 Toronto ON - CAN The Opera House
Sep 21, 2010 Cleveland, OH - US Peabody's
Sep 22, 2010 Milwaukee, WI - US The Rave
Sep 24, 2010 Chicago, IL - US Logan Square Auditorium
Sep 25, 2010 Minneapolis, MN - US First Avenue
Sep 27, 2010 Denver, CO - US Bluebird Theatre
Sep 29, 2010 San Francisco, CA - US Slim's
Oct 01, 2010 West Hollywood, CA - US House of Blues (Sunset Strip)
Oct 02, 2010 San Diego, CA - US House of Blues (San Diego)
STAY TUNED MORE INFO COMING IN THE FOLLOWING WEEKS!!!
Loos like a semi-concept album.
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I have a semi-hard in anticipation.
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As long as the band's name is on the spine, I will be happy.
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As long as the band's name is on the spine, I will be happy.
As soon as I came in here I read this post and legitimately thought Pain Of Salvation's next album was being discussed and that this was the POS thread.
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As long as the band's name is on the spine, I will be happy.
As soon as I came in here I read this post and legitimately thought Pain Of Salvation's next album was being discussed and that this was the POS thread.
That was my intention all along, Birchy Boy.
Mission successful.
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Yay, a new suite! :D
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As long as the band's name is on the spine, I will be happy.
As soon as I came in here I read this post and legitimately thought Pain Of Salvation's next album was being discussed and that this was the POS thread.
That was my intention all along, Birchy Boy.
Mission successful.
:angel:
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I hope the album is better than Ghost Opera.
Anyone else feel they are going a bit overboard with the guest appearences?
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No, because everyone they feature is awesome.
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No, because everyone they feature is awesome.
True, but it seems they're over doing it.
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IF DT want a backup vocal, i think simone is a excellent choice, or DT and epica can exchange vocal.
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I like her, but I don't think she'd mesh well with LaBrie (well, DT's sound as a whole, really).
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Simone is beautiful but I can't stand her to be honest.
Good work getting Speed and Oliva, should be interesting. Hopefully better that Ghost Opera.
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Anyone else feel they are going a bit overboard with the guest appearences?
A bit, yes.
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Kamelot is playing the same venue that I'm seeing Iced Earth in eight days before IE, but tickets are thirty dollars and I only have Ghost Opera, so I can't justify spending that much on an almost unknown band to me.
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Kamelot is playing the same venue that I'm seeing Iced Earth in eight days before IE, but tickets are thirty dollars and I only have Ghost Opera, so I can't justify spending that much on an almost unknown band to me.
I'd love to see them live. It would be a very wise option to go and check them out. Ghost Opera isn't Kamelot at their best.
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Kamelot is playing the same venue that I'm seeing Iced Earth in eight days before IE, but tickets are thirty dollars and I only have Ghost Opera, so I can't justify spending that much on an almost unknown band to me.
I'd love to see them live. It would be a very wise option to go and check them out. Ghost Opera isn't Kamelot at their best.
If I can get out of my current concert debt by September and tickets are still on sale, there's a chance I might go. It'll depend though.
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Kamelot is playing the same venue that I'm seeing Iced Earth in eight days before IE, but tickets are thirty dollars and I only have Ghost Opera, so I can't justify spending that much on an almost unknown band to me.
I'd love to see them live. It would be a very wise option to go and check them out. Ghost Opera isn't Kamelot at their best.
If I can get out of my current concert debt by September and tickets are still on sale, there's a chance I might go. It'll depend though.
Check this out;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_VGBlQRl2c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4wV4rxTqfU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOVW9GezQ0k
If you don't like these, don't bother.
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Does anyone know if their former singer Mark Vanderbilt is in any bands right now? Can't find any info on him being active post-Kamelot and recently I've found a new appreciation for his voice and style (I've always enjoyed him, but more so as of recently).
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Does anyone know if their former singer Mark Vanderbilt is in any bands right now? Can't find any info on him being active post-Kamelot and recently I've found a new appreciation for his voice and style (I've always enjoyed him, but more so as of recently).
First time "appreciation" and "[Mark Vanderbilt's] voice" has been used in the same sentence.
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He was okay. I don't know, he sounded good on some tracks, others he just makes me cringe.
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Is the avenue in New York City named after him?
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Does anyone know if their former singer Mark Vanderbilt is in any bands right now? Can't find any info on him being active post-Kamelot and recently I've found a new appreciation for his voice and style (I've always enjoyed him, but more so as of recently).
First time "appreciation" and "[Mark Vanderbilt's] voice" has been used in the same sentence.
If this is the case, it's a damn shame.
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https://www.kamelot.com/site/news/us-shows-announced-singer-update/#more-632 (https://www.kamelot.com/site/news/us-shows-announced-singer-update/#more-632)
Kamelot announce a couple US dates and also announce that Khan will not be touring with them...
"Kamelots Pandemonium Over Europe 2011″ is building, adding Evergrey, Amaranthe and Sons of Seasons* to the already announced tour schedule, with more dates to come!
As part of the ongoing Kamelot campaign , we are announcing 2 shows as part of what will be a full US tour!
Aug 30 at the Grammercy Theater in New York City, NY USA
Sept 2 at the Club Soda in Montreal, Quιbec Canada
Promoters will offer a special VIP ticket for these show. This will include a pre show meet/greet and an autographed poster commemorating the show. Both shows go onsale today exclusively through www.Enterthevault.com till Jan 22 when they become available everywhere.
Unfortunately, we have been informed that, due to continuing medical and personal issues, Roy Khan will not be able to finish the remaining touring in support of Kamelots album, Poetry for the Poisoned.
However, we are pleased to announce that metal icon Fabio Lione (Rhapsody of Fire) will be joining the tour and handling the lead vocal duties. There will also be guest vocal appearances throughout the tour by Simone Simons (Epica), Tommy Karevik (Seventh Wonder), and many more surprise guests throughout this very special and rare tour.
Fabio Lione is eager to get on the road, stating: I am excited and pleased to be part of the next Kamelot tour. I always loved the sound of the band and I think this will be a great experience for me, the band and for all the fans of great music and Kamelot
see you soon on tour and lets rock!!!"
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I've rarely done this with bands over specific members, but if Roy doesn't return, I'm done. It's truly sad as they were in my top ten favorite bands. I can't see them being half as interesting without him.
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WTF is going on with Roy? Kamelot would be interesting with Fabio, although with the last album and now Roy, they are on a downhill slide.
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They're coming back to New York over the summer. Maybe if I'm a bigger fan by then I'll go.
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I just hope he doesn't die or something - too many great voices were taken this year already.
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did they ever announce what's wrong with him?
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From what we gathered, its nothing life-threatening. He was just burnt out. Almost seemed like they implied that he has inherited some sort of anxiety issue or something.
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I'm actually pretty curious what they sound like with Fabio.
This is just what Kamelot needs, the singer of the cheesiest metal band to ever exist.
You know who would be awesome filling in for Roy? Damien Wilson....think about it.
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Ok I thought about it for like 3 seconds and Damien singing Forever just wouldn't work.
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Ok I thought about it for like 3 seconds and Damien singing Forever just wouldn't work.
Why not? His voice is insane and he has pretty much the exact range and natural tone as Roy.
Fabio will be interesting, but he wouldn't sing the songs the way Roy did at all.
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His natural tone is as far away from Khan's as it is possible.
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His natural tone is as far away from Khan's as it is possible.
I still think he'd be a great fill in.
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So they had their first show with Fabio. Here are some vids.
Not as bad as I thought it'd be. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gRorUWaCoQ (Hunters Season)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WwfPH_cYD0 (March of Mephisto)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzkwKlc-o54 (Forever)
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Pretty good. Strong accent though. So did Khan have a mental breakdown or what?
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Pretty good. Strong accent though. So did Khan have a mental breakdown or what?
It seems something like that, and he apparently discovered god or something. They said they haven't thought about getting a new singer yet, but once the tour is done, they'll have to figure it out.
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Pretty good. Strong accent though. So did Khan have a mental breakdown or what?
It seems something like that, and he apparently discovered god or something. They said they haven't thought about getting a new singer yet, but once the tour is done, they'll have to figure it out.
Oh, fiddlesticks.
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I'm not familiar with Fabio, but the hunters season video was pretty good. I just wish Roy was ok, he really made Kamelot special.
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It might just be my pessimistic attitude towards everything but i'm quite sure Roy is leaving Kamelot behind.
With that said: ROY, PLEASE MAKE MUSIC WITH CONCEPTION.
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Yeah, Roy's gone, no doubt. Youngblood said in an interview not too long ago that if they have to replace him, that's exactly what they will do.
Just checked out that Hunters Season live clip and Fabio sounded really amazing!!
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Roy is gone? I haven't followed the news at all but I was under the impression that he would only be gone for one tour. He discovered god? O jeez.
Roy was the major reason I liked Kamelot, he was absolutely awesome live. Can't imagine Kamelot without him.
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It isn't written in stone yet but it's apparently obvious he isn't interested in music now.
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It sounds good. I take Roy Khan any day over Fabio, but it's a good vocal performance nonetheless. There's still something about his extreme vibratto that I don't love.
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Everyone i know doesn't like that he uses so much vibrato in his voice, am i the only one who absolutely adores it?
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People seem to hate that. I remember when there were all sorts of posts complaining about James using too much vibrato at one point. I like Fabio in one song that I heard years ago but he seems to sound a bit whiny on the clips of Kamelot that I've seen.
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Everyone i know doesn't like that he uses so much vibrato in his voice, am i the only one who absolutely adores it?
I'm a vibrato fan, it's like everyone bagging out Tobias Sammet (Edguy/Avantasia) for his very wide vibrato. I never understood the hate, I love it!
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https://www.myspace.com/roykhanofficial/blog
Well, he's officially out.
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I just don't know what to think, he is one of my favorite vocalists of all time...Atleast this didn't come out of nowhere.
Guess i'll listen to Kamelot's discography today..
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Dammit. :(
His voice is one of the best things about Kamelot.
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I'm glad it's finally official to be honest, although Khan did say that Youngblood told him to think about it for a while. I wonder where Kamelot will go from here, really now, the only core members left are Grillo and Youngblood.
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The good news is; God was there after all...
:-X
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The good news is; God was there after all...
:-X
I did read that, but tried to ignore it.
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This sucks. It looked like it was inevitable though, it's not like it was entirely unexpected at this point.
I think I'll miss him more for his lyrics than his voice. He had a great voice, but it was the lyrics that imo elevated Kamelot above other power metal.
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I would also like to point out I prophesied this before all of this happened:
New and updated top 50 is here, to the consternation of many!
50. Irea (from Siιge Perilous)
49. The Light I Shine On You (from Karma)
48. Blόcher (from Ghost Opera)
47. My Train of Thoughts (from Poetry for the Poisoned)
The first of a number of new tracks from Poetry for the Poisoned, "My Train of Thoughts" would be right at home among the dark, introspective songs on Ghost Opera. The lyrics are brooding and indecipherable; I sincerely hope they have nothing to do with what Khan's experiencing right now, because that combined with the crowd applause/passing train at the beginning would not bode well at all for his future in Kamelot. Rampant speculation aside, the orchestration on this song is simply phenomenal. While the guitar chugs, the strings and female vocals rise and fall, creating an incredibly dense tapestry of melodies to go over the repeating guitar. Seriously, listen to that chorus with a good set of headphones; as Adami noted in the other thread, while the production for the guitar might leave something to be desired, the production on the keyboards and vocals are top-notch. The guitar interlude is very "Human Stain"-esque in its style and abruptness; this is another of the times I wish Kamelot would experiment with song structures more, as the melodies in this song beg for something greater than a condensed 4 minute tune. Regardless, very cool track.
46. The Inquisitor (from The Fourth Legacy)
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I don't know why people think its cause he found God, when he wrote a song about Jesus' persecution.
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I don't know why people think its cause he found God, when he wrote a song about Jesus' persecution.
Doesn't mean things can't change over time. I hope he will at least do a solo career (Neal Morse), he's just too good to give up singing.
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I'm glad it's finally official to be honest, although Khan did say that Youngblood told him to think about it for a while. I wonder where Kamelot will go from here, really now, the only core members left are Grillo and Youngblood.
Grillo isn't even on the first 3 records.
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I don't know why people think its cause he found God, when he wrote a song about Jesus' persecution.
It's because they said he found god. Recently.
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It sounds like he just wants to live a simple life with his family.
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and jeebus
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Everyone i know doesn't like that he uses so much vibrato in his voice, am i the only one who absolutely adores it?
I'm a vibrato fan, it's like everyone bagging out Tobias Sammet (Edguy/Avantasia) for his very wide vibrato. I never understood the hate, I love it!
I'm with you there Wolfie. Big fan of Toby's voice and his songwriting.
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I'm glad it's finally official to be honest, although Khan did say that Youngblood told him to think about it for a while. I wonder where Kamelot will go from here, really now, the only core members left are Grillo and Youngblood.
Grillo isn't even on the first 3 records.
I know, but Glenn is gone and Oliver I don't consider a big core part of the band so really besides Youngblood he's the only member that has been with the band a while and helped develop Kamelot's sound.
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Fair enough. Thomas has always kept it going. But my interest in the band spawned from the collaboration of Thomas with Khan and the production duo of Paeth and Miro. They would really have to reinvent themselves with a new singer and ignite a new and exciting flame that I got the first time I heard Black Halo. Thomas seems to be aiming high for replacements. My honest wish would be to see someone like Mats Leven join. Completely different vocal style but still with a heavy emotional flair.
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Gotta agree with pretty much all of that Myke. I like Mats, that's a good option, great voice and excellent stage presence. Or perhaps they could bring back Mark Vanderbilt. :lol We could finally hear songs like Black Tower, Red Sands and One of the Hunted again!! :metal
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I seriously hope they don't get someone who has the same style as Khan.
Also, Khan. Conception. Now.
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https://www.myspace.com/roykhanofficial/blog
Well, he's officially out.
Holy crap :omg:
:sadpanda:
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I seriously hope they don't get someone who has the same style as Khan.
Also, Khan. Conception. Now.
I doubt if we'll see anything new from Khan for a long, long time.
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I'm not so sad because their latest was terrible and Ghost opera was mediocre, but I wouldn't have minded seeing them live.
And thus goes the last power metal band I care about.
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Sadly, the new record hasn't grown on me at all, probably due to all this bad news. I am actually anxious to hear a new record with new singer and hopefully they can produce something with more punch and passion. I need something on the level with Karma or Black Halo, and hopefully with some new twists courtesy of the new vocalist. Perhaps the dynamic of writing with the band will give us something new and exciting.
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I have very mixed feeling with PFTP. It didn't really strike me at first, then it sort of grew on me for a while and then i just got tired of it and haven't listened to the full album since. I listen to a random song from it from time to time but never the full thing.
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I remember my opinions and posting about it when I heard it, spewing my hate everywhere. After time, it's gone from a shit album to a good album. It's no where near Kamelot's best, but there are some enjoyable songs, and it has a nice atmosphere. If you take it for what it is and not compare it to previous work, it's not too bad.
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If its like Ghost Opera, then I'd like it.
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Black Halo is the best them.
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Epica
The Black Halo
Karma
The Fourth Legacy
Poetry For The Poisoned
Ghost Opera
the rest
noobs.
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The Black Halo
Ghost Opera
Epica
Poetry for the Poisoned
The Fourth Legacy
Karma
Siιge Perilous
the rest
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Epica
The Black Halo
Karma
The Fourth Legacy
Poetry For The Poisoned
Ghost Opera
the rest
noobs.
You know, I think I fully agree with this ranking.
You should include the rest of the albums though. Siege Perilous would be next, then Eternity, then Dominion.
Eternity's a pretty good album, some really good songs. Black Tower is a Kamelot fav of mine.
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Karma
Epica
The Black Halo
Poetry for the Poisoned
Ghost Opera
Fourth Legacy
some shit
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Karma
Epica
The Black Halo
Poetry for the Poisoned
Ghost Opera
Fourth Legacy
some shit
Siege Perilous is shit? :censored
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:lol I was exaggerating.
But yeah it's ok, but not particularly good IMO.
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Black Halo
Karma
Ghost Opera
Fourth Legacy
Epica
Poetry for the Poisoned
Don't enjoy the first 3 enough to rank them.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UXXjdCparo&feature=player_embedded
Roy sang this at a wedding recently. What a voice. He needs to come back to the music world.
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So Khan quits Kamelot and then sings a Kamelot song at a wedding? THAT ARROGANT PRICK!!!
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So Khan quits Kamelot and then sings a Kamelot song at a wedding? THAT ARROGANT PRICK!!!
I actually had this same reaction.
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I don't think the music itself had anything to do with him quitting.
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So Khan quits Kamelot and then sings a Kamelot song at a wedding? THAT ARROGANT PRICK!!!
Seems a bit harsh. Hasn't he been ill and that's why he quit?
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So Khan quits Kamelot and then sings a Kamelot song at a wedding? THAT ARROGANT PRICK!!!
Seems a bit harsh. Hasn't he been ill and that's why he quit?
If you call being burnt out "ill".
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I was joking anyway. I really enjoyed that video.
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I was joking anyway. I really enjoyed that video.
Ahh, sorry for the sense of humour bypass!
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Singer FABIO LIONE 'Would Love' To Join KAMELOT Permanently!!
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=159028
What do you think? You think Thomas would ask him to join permanetely. I guess the more they tour, the more likely that outcome.
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Fabio has an outstanding voice. My only issue with him would be that his accent is REALLLLLLLLLLLLY thick when he sings, which works fine in Rhapsody, but I don't think it would work too well in Kamelot.
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That's a fine point. The clips I've heard of him have been very impressive, but agree with what your saying. He's different to Roy, but that's certainly not a bad thing. I guess if Thomas is happy and is eager to go back into the studio, Fabio might fit the bill. Also, they could do some wonderful things with their music with Fabio's voice and range.
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That's a fine point. The clips I've heard of him have been very impressive, but agree with what your saying. He's different to Roy, but that's certainly not a bad thing. I guess if Thomas is happy and is eager to go back into the studio, Fabio might fit the bill. Also, they could do some wonderful things with their music with Fabio's voice and range.
I agree, his voice is not a problem in the slightest, merely his accent.
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He is a good singer, but I can't deny that I have a hard time hearing the band with anyone else. I would need to hear a new album with material from scratch geared towards whoever they choose to go forward with and then base the new lineup on the quality of that release and then the subsequent live performance.
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NEW VOCALIST REVEALED - Tommy Karevik from Seventh Wonder.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=175789
Tommy is simply an incredible singer, and I can't think of a better replacement for Roy. Fantastic choice by Kamelot. If you've never heard this guy sing, do yourself a favor and watch this. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sRDa-xTfwg)
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That's cool. I'm listening to Alley Cat right now and really liking it. This is only the second time hearing it.
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To be honest, I have a man-crush on Tommy. His voice is sexy as hell.
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On one hand - fantastic news. I mainly like the albums Epica and The Black Halo but I like individual songs from some other albums, so would be looking forward to any new Kamelot music anyway, but even moreso if it has one of my favourite singers. He's phenomenal in Seventh Wonder, and the videos of him singing Centre Of The Universe on Kamelot's tour after Roy left was amazing.
On the other hand, anything that would delay more Seventh Wonder music isn't too good :-\ Plenty of bands balance having members in other projects though so hopefully this will be one of those times.
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He's phenomenal in Seventh Wonder
Phenomenal isn't even the word. His voice could cure cancer.
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He's phenomenal in Seventh Wonder
Phenomenal isn't even the word. His voice could cure cancer.
If he, Russell Allen and Michael Eriksen sang together, they could cure every disease ever.
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AMob Russell, yes.
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:neverusethis:
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:getoffmylawn:
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Hmm I might have a reason to listen to these guys a bit more now. Karevik is like, THE vocalist.
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As long as it doesn't mess with SW too much.
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He's phenomenal in Seventh Wonder
Phenomenal isn't even the word. His voice could cure cancer.
:lol Too true.
I was thrilled, but somewhat surprised by the news. I hope it doesn't interfere too much with Seventh Wonder stuff. 'Cause honestly, if I had to pick one outcome or the other, I'd rather see him stick with SW.
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Good choice. Mercy Falls and Great Escape are both amazing albums and he has one hell of a voice.
Khan who? ....er.... Roy who?
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That's a really good choice. It's going to sound odd at first hearing him sing Kamelot-classics but I think if anyone can pull it off it's this guy.
I still prefer Khan as a vocalist but this makes me excited for the new album.
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No one can replace Khan, but this dude is definitely high on the list of people I was hoping Kamelot would talk to.
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I am not familiar with Seventh Wonder so i checked them out on YouTube and they seem pretty good. Karevik seems like a solid singer and this (Eden echo) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kml68E9pm0k&feature=youtube_gdata_player is awesome. He gives off a similar vibe to Khan. After being down in the dumps with Kamelot, I'm really excited for the new album and to see them open for Nightwish.
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I checked the band out and neither the music neither the singer stand out to me. Sure he has nice range but his voice just sounds boring to me.
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Good choice. Mercy Falls and Great Escape are both amazing albums and he has one hell of a voice.
Khan who? ....er.... Roy who?
I'll take Khan anytime over Karevik.
B.Lee
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I'm firmly in the "I hope this doesn't interfere with Seventh Wonder" camp myself. Never really got into Kamelot too much, despite being primed to be a fan of their style by my interests. Never could figure out why, since they were great at what they did, but it never really clicked with me.
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I'm firmly in the "I hope this doesn't interfere with Seventh Wonder" camp myself. Never really got into Kamelot too much, despite being primed to be a fan of their style by my interests. Never could figure out why, since they were great at what they did, but it never really clicked with me.
Same here :-\
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Wow, I was totally unfamiliar with this guy, and now I'm super excited that Kamelot is opening for Nightwish on the upcoming tour.
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New album announced! :metal
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=176961 (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=176961)
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Well the album was announced a bit back, but the release date has now been pushed back a month. I found it interesting that Casey admitted to not liking poetry for the poisoned. I bet that album had left a very bad taste in their mouth. It took them a very long time to make and then after its release Kahn quits. They didn't play many of the songs on their tour either. So its not a surprise but you don't hear band members admit they made a bad album.
Anyway, I'm really pumped for the new album, sounding more like karma and the black halo is a great thing and I'm really liking karevik so far.
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Glad he did, though. I didn't like Poetry for the Poisoned, either - found it very bland, and with Khan quitting just after, I was basically finished with Kamelot. They'd reached the end of their natural life, for me.
If they're not happy with the album either, though, then that clearly means that Kamelot are still sensitive to whatever it is that makes Kamelot Kamelot, and even if I am unsatisfied with a new album, I'm at least unlikely to be unsatisfied in the same way twice.
My ears have pricked! I'm ready to be impressed again by a band I thought I'd amicably moved on from.
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Tommy wrote most of the vocal melodies on the album? A keyboard ballad where Tommy's performance gave goosebumps? More like The Black Halo? Concept album? Admits Poetry For The Poisoned was a dud and thinks new album is back on track?
Obviously it's no guarantee of quality since people say things like that all the time and the album can still go either way, but I think I'll be looking forward to this more than I thought was possible for a Kamelot album.
I like how honest and forthcoming Oliver Palotai is there. It's not often a member of a band will say anything negative about an album (unless it's in the distant past) - whether you agree with his opinion on Poetry or not, at least he appears to be willing to admit it.
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I've been in love with Tommy's voice for two years now and I started screaming with joy when I saw the news. I adore Kamelot and I was pretty heartbroken when Roy left, but as far as replacements go, this was the best possible choice. I doubt this will interfere much with SW because they don't have an active live schedule - if anything, more people have heard of them now and this can only be a good thing for them as it stands today.
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I actually slightly preferred Poetry for the Poisoned to Ghost Opera, but yeah both were a little underwhelming compared to the three previous albums. Interesting to hear him admit that and suggest that the band are back on track!
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Am I the only guy who liked Poetry?
I really didn't like 80% of Ghost Opera, but I liked Poetry a bit. The last batch of songs were boring, but I liked the first half at least quite a bit.
It's also ironic if Casey didn't like it since it probably has his best drummer to date.
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I liked a bunch of songs on FTP but the album overall was subpar
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I really didn't like 80% of Ghost Opera, but I liked Poetry a bit. The last batch of songs were boring, but I liked the first half at least quite a bit.
Yeah this is basically my opinion as well. The album starts really well and I thought it was going to be a great return to form, but then it gets a bit dull in the second half.
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Poetry grew on me quite a bit in the end. It was a grower, but definitely still nothing special. Ghost Opera is meh IMO.
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Poetry was a particularly unexciting album, and its a shame that it is Khan's swan song. The clip of the new song they performed live sounds like a much needed improvement. Honestly, if this album doesn't blow me away, that's pretty much it for me. They have to prove that they can write music as good as the stuff on Karma and Black Halo.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWWQoAPrq7I&feature=youtube_gdata_player
A live performance of the new song "sacrimony " it sounds good, although the audio isn't the best. Sounds very similar to a Kahn vocaled Kamelot.
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Honestly, if this album doesn't blow me away, that's pretty much it for me. They have to prove that they can write music as good as the stuff on Karma and Black Halo.
Unfortunately, I feel the same.
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I really liked Poetry for the Poisoned. I think it's one of their best.
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I really liked it at first but it wore out so fast for me, if I attempted to listen to the whole thing now I'd lose interest about four tracks in.
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I really liked it at first but it wore out so fast for me, if I attempted to listen to the whole thing now I'd lose interest about four tracks in.
Yeah, me too.
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This is the first and only bit of Kamelot I've listened to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xuk0fBZbJkE
It's quite an awesome tune, goes without saying Simone sounds great but I really like that dude's voice! May have to check out some of their other stuff. :)
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Yeah I'd get on that, especially since Epica took their name from a Kamelot album.
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I've been a fan since The Black Halo was released.
I was lucky enough to see Kamelot during the Black Halo Tour in 2006 in New York City. It was perhaps the best and most fantastic show I've ever seen. Roy Khan put on an absolutely fantastic performance, and it was really a perfect show with Epica opening and Simone Simmons guest appearing on "The Haunting (Somewhere in Time)." A magical night in NYC. ;D
I fell mostly out of touch with the metal scene from 2007 to 2011 due to school. It seems I didn't miss much from Kamelot aside from a few good songs from Ghost Opera. Poetry for the Poison could barely maintain my interest. Sad about Roy Khan leaving. He's my favorite singer and best I've ever seen live (and I've seen quite a few great vocalists live).
I'm very interested in the new album "Silverthorn" with new vocalist Tommy Kaverik. I've listened to him with Kamelot and his band Seventh Wonder, and he's a great singer. I think he has the potential to revitalize Kamelot's sound. But I'll miss Roy Khan, of course! Let's face it, he was the heart and soul of Kamelot's music... (Thomas Youngblood is the brain :P)
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Roy's vocals were what really drew me in to Kamelot. If you need a fix of Roy's vocals from early in his career you could also check out the Finnish prog/metal band Conception (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_vV8fwFMBQ)
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Roy's vocals were what really drew me in to Kamelot. If you need a fix of Roy's vocals from early in his career you could also check out the Finnish prog/metal band Conception (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_vV8fwFMBQ)
Aren't they from Norway? Wherever they're from, anyway, Khan kicks ass on Conception albums :metal
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Hmm, yeah, you might be right about where they're from. Their first album is kinda "meh" but the rest are really good. Definitely worth getting.
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The US symphonic metal band KAMELOT will be releasing their new album Silverthorn October 30th in North America, October 26th in Germany and October 29th in the rest of Europe via Steamhammer/SPV. It will receive its Japanese release October 24th via King Records.
Today the band has unveiled the breathtaking album artwork for Silverthorn. The LP and limited edition will have one version of the art, while the standard version of Silverthorn will have a different but equally exquisite version of the artwork. The standard version is presented as an Ecolbook. The limited edition contains the Ecolbook, a bonus CD with nearly 60 minutes of music, a 44 page book and an exclusive poster. The double LP version is a gatefold on colored vinyl and includes the CD.
Guitarist Thomas Youngblood says of the artwork: "Artist Stefan Heilemann captured the true essence of the story and the main character. The booklet and 44 page book is packed with amazing images!"
(https://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv219/Metaltim/Summer4/Summer5/557272_10151028739728003_1223465944_n.jpg)
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Well, the limited edition will be for me then, as always. :tup
Also, POSTER!!!
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Typical album artwork for Kamelot, but that's not a bad thing. It makes me even more excited for the album.
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I am really, really hoping for a return to form with this one. "The Black Halo" is the last album Kamelot made that wowed me. I hope this one is better than "Ghost Opera" and "Poetry for the Poisoned"
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October's looking to be a pretty kickass month for music - Ensiferum, Wintersun, and now Kamelot are all releasing albums during that time.
Also really excited to hear Karevik of course. He was already one of my favorite singers before he joined Kamelot.
I quite like Ghost Opera and Black Halo. The latter actually bored me at first listen but it eventually grew on me. Still haven't really listened to any of their other ones though. What do you guys recommend the most?
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If you like "The Black Halo," you should get "Epica" because it's actually the first part of the story that is finished in "The Black Halo"
I think "The Fourth Legacy" and "Karma" are very good as well, the rest are a bit hit and miss.
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I'm interested in what the 60 minutes of music on the bonus disc is.
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I'm interested in what the 60 minutes of music on the bonus disc is.
Well considering they said they had 800? I think people audition for the vocalist spot, then I think the the bonus disk is pretty obvious...
...a 60 minute VIDEO audition by Nicky Spanjaards.
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I'm interested in what the 60 minutes of music on the bonus disc is.
Well considering they said they had 800? I think people audition for the vocalist spot, then I think the the bonus disk is pretty obvious...
...a 60 minute VIDEO audition by Nicky Spanjaards.
Ah, well done sir.
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Where's the best place to dive into Kamelot?
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Where's the best place to dive into Kamelot?
Black Halo, Epica or even Karma and The Fourth Legacy.
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My two suggestions are Black Halo and Karma, as they are my favorites.
If you love those, I'd then suggest Fourth Legacy and Ghost Opera.
Beyond that, Epica is not bad and Poetry for the Poisoned is alright.
Can't really recommend the first three records.
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Yeah, I feel like I have to start getting into them, seeing as how one of my favorite current vocalists is now signed up!
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Sage Pearls or whatever has that song Millennium, right? That's a pretty cool song.
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Where's the best place to dive into Kamelot?
Epica + The Black Halo, by far the best. Work your way outwards from there if you like them, though the quality declines the further away you get from those albums (hopefully this new ablum breaks that trend!).
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Where's the best place to dive into Kamelot?
Epica + The Black Halo, by far the best. Work your way outwards from there if you like them, though the quality declines the further away you get from those albums (hopefully this new ablum breaks that trend!).
This. Id say Karma is next best.
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so here's the tracklist of the new album...
CD 1:
01. "Manus Dei"
02. "Sacrimony (Angel Of Afterlife)"
03. "Ashes To Ashes"
04. "Torn"
05. "Song For Jolee"
06. "Veritas"
07. "My Confession"
08. "Silverthorn"
09. "Falling Like The Fahrenheit"
10. "Solitaire"
Prodigal Son
Part I - Funerale
Part II - Burden of Shame (TheBranding)
11. "Part III - The Journey"
12. "Continuum"
the bonus cd is the Instrumental version of the album...
Bonus CD:
01. "Manus Dei (Instrumental)"
02. "Sacrimony (Angel Of Afterlife)(Instrumental)"
03. "Kismet (Instrumental)"
04. "Ashes To Ashes (Instrumental)"
05. "Torn (Instrumental)"
06. "Song For Jolee (Instrumental)"
07. "Veritas (Instrumental)"
08. "My Confession (Instrumental)"
09. "Silverthorn (Instrumental)"
10. "Falling Like The Fahrenheit (Instrumental)"
11. "Solitaire (Instrumental)"
Prodigal Son (Instrumntal)
Part I - Funerale
Part II - Burden of Shame (TheBranding)
12. "Part III - The Journey"
13. "Continuum (Instrumental)"
14. "Grace (Bonus-Track)"
Source: https://www.grooves-inc.com/kamelot-silverthorn-spec-edition-steamhammer-cd-album-pZZa1-1897611512.html
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Where's the best place to dive into Kamelot?
Black Halo, Epica or even Karma and The Fourth Legacy.
These are their best 4 recordings, imho. "Ghost Opera" began a period of decline and "Poetry for the Poisoned" is where they bottomed out. I also agree that their early recordings are pretty "meh"
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Who wants to listen to an instrumental version of an album that has Tommy Karevik singing? ???
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Who wants to listen to an instrumental version of an album that has Tommy Karevik singing? ???
Yeah, I agree, although it might be cool for aspiring vocalists to try singing the songs.....
Still, I'll probably pass on the special edition if that's what the bonus material is.
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10. "Solitaire"
Prodigal Son
Part I - Funerale
Part II - Burden of Shame (TheBranding)
11. "Part III - The Journey"
The fuck's going on here?
Even neglecting the fact they've already got a song called Solitaire - they've decided to make one part into its own track but conflate the others. And there are four parts, numbered one to three, except part one is really the second part, and--
Are they explicitly trying to mess with OCD-sufferers or something? They might as well have switched from roman numerals to digits halfway through.
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Why is there an extra song on the instrumental cd called Kismet?
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I agree with both Mr. Webstertonville and Wolfking.
I am very confused by that track listing with the 3 part song.
Also, making us buy an instrumental version of the album just to hear 1 actual bonus song is a really weak move.
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Also, making us buy an instrumental version of the album just to hear 1 actual bonus song is a really weak move.
Fucking this. I still don't know if I'll even buy this 2cd edition.
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I also noticed the instrumental disk has a song called Kismet.
Is this a glitch in the press release or are they throwing out an extra instrumental song randomly?
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I also noticed the instrumental disk has a song called Kismet.
Is this a glitch in the press release or are they throwing out an extra instrumental song randomly?
Yeah that was my question in my post. Especially at track 3 it just seems so randomly placed.
Wiki has Solitaire as a seperate song in the track list;
Disc 1
1 Manus Dei
2 Sacrimony (Angel of Afterlife)
3 Ashes to Ashes
4 Torn
5 Song For Jolee
6 Veritas
7 My Confession
8 Silverthorn
9 Falling Like The Fahrenheit
10 Solitaire
11 Prodigal Son
Part I: Funerale
Part II: Burden of Shame (The Branding)
Part III: The Journey
12 Continuum[4]
Disc 2 - Box Set Edition
1 Manus Dei (Instrumental)
2 Sacrimony (Angel of Afterlife) (Instrumental)
3 Kismet (Instrumental)
4 Ashes to Ashes (Instrumental)
5 Torn (Instrumental)
6 Song For Jolee (Instrumental)
7 Veritas (Instrumental)
8 My Confession (Instrumental)
9 Silverthorn (Instrumental)
10 Falling Like The Fahrenheit (Instrumental)
11 Solitaire (Instrumental)
12 Prodigal Son (Instrumental)
Part I: Funerale
Part II: Burden of Shame (The Branding)
Part III: The Journey
13 Continuum (Instrumental)
14 Grace (Bonus Track)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverthorn_%28album%29
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That would make a lot more sense, and I hope it is arranged like that.
They've still already got a song called Solitaire, though.
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They've still already got a song called Solitaire, though.
Maybe they thought it needed company?
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I gotta say again these bonuses are a real let down. I was hoping for at least a DVD with some studio footage and maybe some decent live vids with Tommy.
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Though the tracklisting seems better put-together, the wiki page also boasts a copy of the "Silverthorn vynil and 2-CD Box Set cover." Which will be available from all good rocerd stores, presumably.
I gotta say again these bonuses are a real let down. I was hoping for at least a DVD with some studio footage and maybe some decent live vids with Tommy.
Eh - better than the Ghost Opera bonuses! Don't know if there was a different edition going about, but mine just had a (very good!) extra track and the video for the title track. Quality might not be amazing, but the quantity's there. More than many special editions.
Oh, and also... They've still already got a song called Solitaire, though.
Maybe they thought it needed company?
Can't let this go unacknowledged. Brilliant.
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I gotta say again these bonuses are a real let down. I was hoping for at least a DVD with some studio footage and maybe some decent live vids with Tommy.
Eh - better than the Ghost Opera bonuses! Don't know if there was a different edition going about, but mine just had a (very good!) extra track and the video for the title track. Quality might not be amazing, but the quantity's there. More than many special editions.
:lol Yeah, I take my statement back then, because you reminded me of Ghost Opera. The DVD was like 8 minutes long with the video clip and the song over random clips of the making of the clip. What a fucking joke that was, I was so mad!!
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There was another edition of ghost opera that had a second disc with a bunch of live songs (including momento mori) and some b sides. If that's the bonus disc on the new album with live stuff with Tommy id be happy.
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There was another edition of ghost opera that had a second disc with a bunch of live songs (including momento mori) and some b sides. If that's the bonus disc on the new album with live stuff with Tommy id be happy.
Yeah, that was the cash grab called The Second Coming. I have that one too. Much better edition.
I also got their cash grab for the Wacken version of Poetry too. Damn you Kamelot. >:(
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Who wants to listen to an instrumental version of an album that has Tommy Karevik singing? ???
:lol True - I ordered the special edition just because a bonus track or two is worth a couple of extra quid of support to Tommy... I assume the tracklist is fucked and its really 10. Solitaire followed by a multi-part 11. Prodigal Son. Although I forgot Kamelot already had a track called Solitaire.. so who knows what's really going on there.
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https://www.amazon.com/Sacrimony-Angel-of-Afterlife/dp/B008ZBFRDG/ (https://www.amazon.com/Sacrimony-Angel-of-Afterlife/dp/B008ZBFRDG/)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCH5XviaUog&list=UUZ8tFz25t-9RsGCZKhwML0A&index=1&feature=plcp
A brief clip of the making of the music video for Sacrimony. Has a couple sound bites, sounds like it has potential.
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Yeah, the song sounds pretty damn good actually.
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The song clip at the end. Stick it to my veins. I'm so glad they're not making Tommy sing like Roy.
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The song clip at the end. Stick it to my veins. I'm so glad they're not making Tommy sing like Roy.
Well Jon Schaffer isn't a member of Kamelot last I checked.
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The song clip at the end. Stick it to my veins. I'm so glad they're not making Tommy sing like Roy.
Well Jon Schaffer isn't a member of Kamelot last I checked.
:tup
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I expected that reply! A gold star for you!
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Seeing them live with Nightwish in November! Can't wait.
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Seeing them live with Nightwish in November! Can't wait.
Seeing them in less than two weeks. I'm a huge fan of both bands and have seen niether live before and add in its a Saturday night at the beacon theater in NYC and I'm planning on having one of the best nights I could imagine.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwV011buF3w&feature=g-all-u
Damn, this is some good shit!!!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwV011buF3w&feature=g-all-u
Damn, this is some good shit!!!
YES.
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Everything was good until that demon woman came in. The song sounds very Epica/Black Halo. Maybe even a little too Epica/Black Halo like I've heard this song before.
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Sounds pretty standard post-Epica Kamelot music-wise. Even the vocal melodies, at one point I forgot it wasn't even Khan. And that woman growling toward the end... seriously?
Obviously this is just random samples and no final impressions are being drawn here.
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The song sounds very Epica/Black Halo. Maybe even a little too Epica/Black Halo like I've heard this song before.
Haven't listened to the actual song yet but I watched a live video of it once a little while ago and ended up getting the chorus stuck in my head even after that - for that reason I think, even though I'd never heard it before it sounded familiar. Still, not going to complain about things that are too much like the albums I like from this band. Not liking the sound of the growling woman. Hopefully it's not too bad and isn't in many songs.
Annoying that it's released on iTunes in America but not in UK, and I can't find it anywhere else.
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I enjoyed it overall, I didn't enjoy the growling woman. I do like Elize though. Tommy sounded a lot like Khan, I thought.
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Seeing them in Columbus with Nightwish on the 21st :metal
According to the Nightwish website, the show is almost sold out, so it should be awesome.
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It's a good song, some great parts to it but not fondof the female screaming (it wasn't too bad to ruin the song, thankfully), or the outro. I don't like the children being used to try and be creepy thing, I've never found it to work. I don't know why I get more excited when I hear that an album is a concept album with a story though, because it's usually the conceptual or story parts I don't like, like interludes, dialogue, sections without proper music etc. Concept albums of that type always seem to produce great songs and music apart from that stuff though (e.g. Seventh Wonder Mercy Falls, SFAM etc.).
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Saw Kamelot last night in NYC. They played for 45 minutes as the opener for Nightwish. I thought they were amazing and Tommy sounded great. They played a pretty normal set with sacrimony the only new song. They had the lady who does the growls. She was pretty good live although I'm not a huge fan. She however was really good on march of mephisto as she did the clean female vocals and the screams.
Best part of the night was meeting Thomas at the concessions during nightwish's set. I told him how happy I was with their choice of Tommy. He was very nice and was with a pretty lady so I only said that and shook his hand.
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Meanwhile Fabio remains completely wasted on Rhapsody... of Fire! TT
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https://www.amazon.com/Silverthorn/dp/B009IA3O2O (https://www.amazon.com/Silverthorn/dp/B009IA3O2O)
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https://www.amazon.com/Silverthorn/dp/B009IA3O2O (https://www.amazon.com/Silverthorn/dp/B009IA3O2O)
See, with releases like this that I know I'm going to buy anyway, I'd prefer to hear as little as possible before I get the CD.
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One more month...
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Meanwhile Fabio remains completely wasted on Rhapsody... of Fire! TT
Check the new Vision Divine, great stuff.
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^seconded!
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I thought they were amazing and Tommy sounded great. They played a pretty normal set with sacrimony the only new song. They had the lady who does the growls. She was pretty good live although I'm not a huge fan. She however was really good on march of mephisto as she did the clean female vocals and the screams.
Seconded. Still getting in to this band, but thoroughly enjoyed their performance.
I have no idea how the growlie chick sounded, as I was too preoccupied with thinking about all the naughty things she could do to me. But yes, March of Mephisto was awesome. Overall the gals really contributed nicely to the show (and not just visually).
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Ok just saw Kamelot tonight. Few thoughts.
1. I was previously only 100% sure that Tommy was the perfect replacement for Khan. I am not 500% sure. The man is amazing and is really nice. Even got a fist bump from him once or twice.
2. Finally warmed up to their bassist Sean. I really Glen but Sean has SO much energy and stage presence that he finally made me love him.
3. The girl was Amaranthe is much more beautiful in person. Like I was ready to ask her out after that show.
4. The chick from The Agonist.....she'd be the girl I banged every few hours in a motel while dating the girl from Amaranthe. Holy god was she sexy as hell. And her job on Sacrimony and March of Mephisto were great.
So I decided that next tour they need to keep both back up singers and shoot a full on DVD. It's been 3 albums and 2 new members since their last one. I think they're due.
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Definitely due for a new live album/DVD. Before Khan left the band, they were planning on shooting one. Hopefully now with a new singer, they will continue with those plans.
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Ok just saw Kamelot tonight. Few thoughts.
1. I was previously only 100% sure that Tommy was the perfect replacement for Khan. I am not 500% sure. The man is amazing and is really nice. Even got a fist bump from him once or twice.
2. Finally warmed up to their bassist Sean. I really Glen but Sean has SO much energy and stage presence that he finally made me love him.
3. The girl was Amaranthe is much more beautiful in person. Like I was ready to ask her out after that show.
4. The chick from The Agonist.....she'd be the girl I banged every few hours in a motel while dating the girl from Amaranthe. Holy god was she sexy as hell. And her job on Sacrimony and March of Mephisto were great.
So I decided that next tour they need to keep both back up singers and shoot a full on DVD. It's been 3 albums and 2 new members since their last one. I think they're due.
Accidentally the whole thing?
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Ok just saw Kamelot tonight. Few thoughts.
1. I was previously only 100% sure that Tommy was the perfect replacement for Khan. I am not 500% sure. The man is amazing and is really nice. Even got a fist bump from him once or twice.
2. Finally warmed up to their bassist Sean. I really Glen but Sean has SO much energy and stage presence that he finally made me love him.
3. The girl was Amaranthe is much more beautiful in person. Like I was ready to ask her out after that show.
4. The chick from The Agonist.....she'd be the girl I banged every few hours in a motel while dating the girl from Amaranthe. Holy god was she sexy as hell. And her job on Sacrimony and March of Mephisto were great.
So I decided that next tour they need to keep both back up singers and shoot a full on DVD. It's been 3 albums and 2 new members since their last one. I think they're due.
Accidentally the whole thing?
Meh. You have any idea how much pain I was in when I wrote this? lol. I had been standing for 10 hours that day and then rocking out. And on top of that all of that I have a slipped disk in my back. So excuse a few typos.
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Ok just saw Kamelot tonight. Few thoughts.
1. I was previously only 100% sure that Tommy was the perfect replacement for Khan. I am not 500% sure. The man is amazing and is really nice. Even got a fist bump from him once or twice.
2. Finally warmed up to their bassist Sean. I really Glen but Sean has SO much energy and stage presence that he finally made me love him.
3. The girl was Amaranthe is much more beautiful in person. Like I was ready to ask her out after that show.
4. The chick from The Agonist.....she'd be the girl I banged every few hours in a motel while dating the girl from Amaranthe. Holy god was she sexy as hell. And her job on Sacrimony and March of Mephisto were great.
So I decided that next tour they need to keep both back up singers and shoot a full on DVD. It's been 3 albums and 2 new members since their last one. I think they're due.
Accidentally the whole thing?
Meh. You have any idea how much pain I was in when I wrote this? lol. I had been standing for 10 hours that day and then rocking out. And on top of that all of that I have a slipped disk in my back. So excuse a few typos.
No. :P
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DAMN YOU ALL!
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If you got genuinely upset, sorry :-* I appreciate what you wrote, especially about Tommy. I've been rooting for him so bad and the fact he's not leaving SW just makes my heart warm.
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You know what's great about Tommy? He naturally sounds like Khan.
You why Tommy is better than Stu Block? He naturally sounds like Khan.
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Except Tommy doesn't sound like Khan. Seventh Wonder being the main proof. It's more like, when you put Tommy in front of Kamelot, it still sounds like Roy-Kamelot, except he doesn't have to try really hard to make it so.
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Hence the naturally part.
And that's really what I was implying. His work in SW sounds absolutely nothing like Khan.
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Hence the naturally part.
And that's really what I was implying. His work in SW sounds absolutely nothing like Khan.
Ah yes, I just prefer putting it this way :)
Edit: It's not Stu's fault they make him sing like that, though.
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Yea I think Tommy sounds very Khanish with Kamelot.
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So, listening to the new album and I hope you guys like it when bands try to replace singers with clones, because I found myself swearing at times Khan was on this album.
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That's what I got from the samples which made me pretty much not care about this album.
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At least Tommy does it right, unlike a certain other singer that recently replaced a long time vocalist.
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So, listening to the new album and I hope you guys like it when bands try to replace singers with clones, because I found myself swearing at times Khan was on this album.
bbbbut I was looking forward to this because of Tommy's amazing vocals...not that Khan's isn't awesome.
is the album at least good?
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Don't care at all. I would have loved a new album with Roy, so one with a clone is fine too. I don't care if their new singer sounds like Roy or not, as long as he sounds good. And based on seeing him live, he sounds great.
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So, listening to the new album and I hope you guys like it when bands try to replace singers with clones, because I found myself swearing at times Khan was on this album.
bbbbut I was looking forward to this because of Tommy's amazing vocals...not that Khan's isn't awesome.
is the album at least good?
Only listened once, and Tommy certainly does do a great job, but it's a little early to judge the overall product. I will at least say I think it will be better than Poetry.
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I will continue to defend Poetry.
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I will continue to defend Poetry.
As will I. It wasn't brilliant by any means, but Poetry seems to be universally hated while Ghost Opera seems pretty praised, which I don't get. Ghost Opera has a few good songs (namely the title track and Rule The World) but almost every song on Poetry is at least good.
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I don't hate Poetry, but find it rather bland and uninteresting save about 2-3 tracks.
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Poetry actually grew on me quite a bit as it aged, but Ghost Opera is still pretty rubbish to me.
Poetry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ghost
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I don't like Poetry or Ghost much at all.
Hope this one is better
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I will continue to defend Poetry.
As will I. It wasn't brilliant by any means, but Poetry seems to be universally hated while Ghost Opera seems pretty praised, which I don't get. Ghost Opera has a few good songs (namely the title track and Rule The World) but almost every song on Poetry is at least good.
Completely agreed. Ghost Opera is really mediocre, while Poetry has more good songs.
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I think the problem was that Poetry was a real grower, it took me ages to appreciate it. I went from hating it to liking it a lot after many listens. Ghost Opera just doesn't really open up to anything really.
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The new album is great. Tommy is a fantastic singer. Love this band!!
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Yeah.
As for the album, I only listened once, but it hasn't really clicked yet. Sure it all sounded nice, and Tommy's naturally sounding Khan impression was great for continuity, but the only song that is memorable so far is the single. It's nice to hear them go back to what their good at and not the Gothic boring shit though.
I'm much more enjoying Stone Sour's new album.
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Extremely disappointing new album.
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Very nice. Can't wait for it to arrive to my doorstep. It left me wanting for a bit more, which is both a good thing and a bad thing. Tommy was holding back sliiiiiiightly, but that is still "fucking awesome" in every dictionary. Also, people who claim he sounds like Roy should make an experiment and play a Tommy song and a Roy song right after. There's a slight resemblance at the very lowest part of both their ranges and that's about it, completely different singers, the two of them.
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New video...
https://www.fuse.tv/videos/2012/10/watch-world-premiere-of-kamelot-s-sacrimony-angel-of-afterlife
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Yeah.
As for the album, I only listened once, but it hasn't really clicked yet. Sure it all sounded nice, and Tommy's naturally sounding Khan impression was great for continuity, but the only song that is memorable so far is the single. It's nice to hear them go back to what their good at and not the Gothic boring shit though.
I'm much more enjoying Stone Sour's new album.
I'd mostly agree with that (especially the last line) after one listen - only a few songs stuck with me once I'd finished. However I've been listening more and even songs I didn't think much of the first couple of times seem much better now - I think it will take a few listens to get to grips with every song.
Sacrimony is great, I really enjoy Ashes To Ashes and Song For Jolee, but after a couple of listens my favourite song is probably Veritas, which I don't think I've ever even seen mentioned in any reviews of the album. The lyrics stood out to me straight away and it's one of my favourite of Tommy's vocal deliveries, even though it's not really showing off and it's not much like anything from Seventh Wonder. And the female vocal part in the middle is one of my favourite parts of the album.
And one issue I don't think I've seen mentioned is the production. I feel likesometimes the album should sound more powerful but it feels quiet and thin, (see the intro to Torn, Sacrimony). And at other times the opposite occurs (e.g. the chorus in Ashes To Ashes, which is otherwise one of my favourite parts, where the riff is really loud and it feels like the vocals should be higher in the mix). Maybe that's just me though.
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You're right, the album lacks a punch.
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Kamelot have never had great production.
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Your face has never had good production.
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Your face has never had good production.
Quite true.
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brb gonna marry blue haired girl.
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The Black Halo is still their best album, and I don't think they're ever gonna come close to top it.
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The Black Halo is still their best album, and I don't think they're ever gonna come close to top it.
Yes, that is definitely their high water mark.
Haven't heard the new one yet, but I know a few reviewers who have heard it and three out of five of them told me not to bother with it. :mehlin
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The Black Halo is still their best album, and I don't think they're ever gonna come close to top it.
Yes, that is definitely their high water mark.
Haven't heard the new one yet, but I know a few reviewers who have heard it and three out of five of them told me not to bother with it. :mehlin
Hear it first ;)
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The Black Halo is still their best album, and I don't think they're ever gonna come close to top it.
This x100.
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New video...
https://www.fuse.tv/videos/2012/10/watch-world-premiere-of-kamelot-s-sacrimony-angel-of-afterlife
I find this a decent song but it's pretty unoriginal by Kamelot standards and just sounds like it's trying to copy songs from Epica or The Black Halo. I can't get over how much of a replica Tommy's vocal delivery, phrasing and melodies are to Khan.
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New video...
https://www.fuse.tv/videos/2012/10/watch-world-premiere-of-kamelot-s-sacrimony-angel-of-afterlife
I find this a decent song but it's pretty unoriginal by Kamelot standards and just sounds like it's trying to copy songs from Epica or The Black Halo. I can't get over how much of a replica Tommy's vocal delivery, phrasing and melodies are to Khan.
I think it's all Youngblood (assuming he's the main songwriter) knows how to do, honestly. It's not a bad thing, if the tunes are good, and I'm sure they wanted vocal continuity, and I'm fine with that too, as Tommy pulls it off effortlessly, and it never sounds forced, like say, Stu Block in Iced Earth.
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I agree. I think the "Tommy sounds like Khan" comes at least partly because of the songs and style of Thomas Youngbloods writing. While I only listened to the album once, I could hear Tommy sounding like Khan on Sacrimony and some other songs that sound more like the style and then on some songs that aren't as typical Kamelot sounding, Tommy sounds more like himself. Also, after one listen I am very happy and excited to listen again.
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You could pretend that Khan left for a while to improve his voice a little, and then returned for Silverthorn. That's how freakishly close Tommy sounds to Khan.
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You could pretend that Khan left for a while to improve his voice a little, and then returned for Silverthorn. That's how freakishly close Tommy sounds to Khan.
He's not quite as good as Khan. Not for Kamelot anyway.
Seems like Khan left at the right time anyhow.
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The Black Halo is still their best album, and I don't think they're ever gonna come close to top it.
Yes, that is definitely their high water mark.
Haven't heard the new one yet, but I know a few reviewers who have heard it and three out of five of them told me not to bother with it. :mehlin
Hear it first ;)
I don't steal music off the internet, I only buy it. So, nah. I'll pass. The tracks I've heard haven't really done much for me and their last two albums kinda sucked.
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Easily the best album since The Black Halo. I'm really loving it so far. Falling like the Fahrenheit is my favorite so far.
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Easily the best album since The Black Halo. I'm really loving it so far. Falling like the Fahrenheit is my favorite so far.
I agree with all of this.
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I don't steal music off the internet, I only buy it. So, nah. I'll pass. The tracks I've heard haven't really done much for me and their last two albums kinda sucked.
I actually meant, at one of your reviewer-friend's house or something, but then I remembered you might know them over the internet :lol
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Is listening to a friends' copy in his car or at his house technically stealing?
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Is listening to a friends' copy in his car or at his house technically stealing?
Yes.
Men in suits with guns will be visiting you shortly.
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Is listening to a friends' copy in his car or at his house technically stealing?
Lars Ulrich is taking your stuff.
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So for some reason Amazon isn't selling this CD anymore. And no stores in my city are selling it either.
I ordered it from CD Universe, but have a feeling I'll get a disappointing e-mail about it sometime before it's supposed to ship.
Anyone know the deal?
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Maybe they recalled it because the production was so bad.
Seriously, I can't enjoy this album fully because of the production.
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I was going to give it a try if Amazon was selling a digital version, but they're not. :|
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Maybe they recalled it because the production was so bad.
Seriously, I can't enjoy this album fully because of the production.
To which previous Kamelot album would you compare the production?
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Maybe they recalled it because the production was so bad.
Seriously, I can't enjoy this album fully because of the production.
To which previous Kamelot album would you compare the production?
Excluding the Pre- Karma and Poetry (because I don't remember what it sounds like) albums, none. They've all had decent to great production, but this one just sucks.
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Maybe they recalled it because the production was so bad.
Seriously, I can't enjoy this album fully because of the production.
To which previous Kamelot album would you compare the production?
Excluding the Pre- Karma and Poetry (because I don't remember what it sounds like) albums, none. They've all had decent to great production, but this one just sucks.
Damn. I am rather turned off by bad production. However Sacrimony didn't seem too bad based off the youtube version. It was a bit flat, but not too bad.
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Maybe they recalled it because the production was so bad.
Seriously, I can't enjoy this album fully because of the production.
To which previous Kamelot album would you compare the production?
Excluding the Pre- Karma and Poetry (because I don't remember what it sounds like) albums, none. They've all had decent to great production, but this one just sucks.
Damn. I am rather turned off by bad production. However Sacrimony didn't seem too bad based off the youtube version. It was a bit flat, but not too bad.
That's the main problem. It's flat and packs no punch.
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I thought Ghost Opera was about as flat a production as Kamelot could possibly get.
There's no way Silverwhatever has flatter production than Ghost Opera.
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I guess it has similar production to Ghost Opera, but the sound quality is horrendous.
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I guess it has similar production to Ghost Opera, but the sound quality is horrendous.
Well in a week or so when I get to hear it, I'll make an informed comment.
Quick question though, is blue haired girl on more than just Sacrimony? What about Amaranthe girl?
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Elize Ryd (Amaranthe) clean female vocals on "Sacrimony (Angel of Afterlife)", "Veritas", and "Falling Like the Fahrenheit"
Alissa White-Gluz (The Agonist) guttural vocals on "Sacrimony (Angel of Afterlife)" and clean female vocals on "Prodigal Son Part III: The Journey"
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Elize Ryd (Amaranthe) clean female vocals on "Sacrimony (Angel of Afterlife)", "Veritas", and "Falling Like the Fahrenheit"
Alissa White-Gluz (The Agonist) guttural vocals on "Sacrimony (Angel of Afterlife)" and clean female vocals on "Prodigal Son Part III: The Journey"
The more blue haired girl, the better.
I have to become familiar with her work if I'm gonna marry her.
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Maybe they recalled it because the production was so bad.
Seriously, I can't enjoy this album fully because of the production.
To which previous Kamelot album would you compare the production?
Excluding the Pre- Karma and Poetry (because I don't remember what it sounds like) albums, none. They've all had decent to great production, but this one just sucks.
Damn. I am rather turned off by bad production. However Sacrimony didn't seem too bad based off the youtube version. It was a bit flat, but not too bad.
I'd say Sacrimomy is a good representation of the album's production. I'm reluctant to give a verdict on production around here though since loads of people complain about production I think is absolutely fine then rave about the production of albums I think sound crap. I guess I'd say the new album's production sounds most like Karma out of the ones I've heard, but I haven't heard any of the ones before that.
Main complaints about the album are the production (but at the same time, based on what you guys complain about and rave about maybe you'll love it), and the fact that it's not quite as memorable and great as The Black Halo musically. But still, it does grow on you (songs like Torn, My Confession and Silverthorn I didn't think much of on first listen have some good to offer so I can't say I dislike any song) and its definitely interesting me as much or more than any Kamelot album other than Epica and The Black Halo.
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I don't like the production on this either. Since the black halo the production on their albums has been terrible.
However, I love the album.
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If it's anywhere near the level of The Fourth Legacy, Karma, Epica or The Black Halo, then it's probably worth getting, but I still can't find a copy to buy digitally :\
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Just listening to Silverthorn for the first time now. It's pretty standard and safe for Kamelot. First few songs were pretty good though and I'm only up to My Confession.
As far as production goes, I hear no problems with the production at all, for Sascha Paeth who I have never been a fan of, it's some of his best sounding work IMHO. It sounds way better than Poetry and Opera.
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Just looked at their sets in Europe and very surprised they aren't playing much from silverthorn. Only three songs a night.
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Just looked at their sets in Europe and very surprised they aren't playing much from silverthorn. Only three songs a night.
Four, actually. For some reason Veritas is listed as "Others" on setlist.fm. Still, I was expecting more new songs. But maybe they will start to play more new songs once fans had enough time to listen to it and can sing along.
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Even four isn't much. Usually a new singer with a new album means mostly new songs. Id really like to see more new songs since I'm absolutely loving silverthorn.
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They must have Jon Schaffer as their manager. When Crucible of Man came out, they only played Birth Of The Wicked and sometimes I Walk Alone. And they only played Come What May once during that tour.
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Okay, listened to the album a few times.
Songs aren't bad. But yea, they don't jump out as much as Black Halo or Epica. However they're better than Ghost Opera and Poetry.
As far as the production goes, from what I can hear, it's mostly a mastering problem. However, it's still not bad enough to bother me much.
Oh yea, the ballad song? Freaking beautiful, Tommy and Oliver really shine.
And I was very disappointed that blue haired girl can't even be heard on Prodigal Son. Where is she on it?
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Yea, I got to give Oliver some props. I think this is the best work he has done on any album as a whole. Song for Jolee is beautiful and his leads and solos are very nice throughout the album.
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Yea, I got to give Oliver some props. I think this is the best work he has done on any album as a whole. Song for Jolee is beautiful and his leads and solos are very nice throughout the album.
Dunno about his leads, they seem kind of "random power metal lead 1, 2, 3 etc".
I think my main issue with the album is that I've heard it like 4 or 5 times and outside of Sacrimony, I can't remember a single melody or riff. Though I enjoy the hell out of the album when I listen to it.
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I think my main issue with the album is that I've heard it like 4 or 5 times and outside of Sacrimony, I can't remember a single melody or riff. Though I enjoy the hell out of the album when I listen to it.
:eek I could sing along to half of the stuff when it came to the second part of the song during my first listen. Too catchy, almost.
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I think my main issue with the album is that I've heard it like 4 or 5 times and outside of Sacrimony, I can't remember a single melody or riff. Though I enjoy the hell out of the album when I listen to it.
:eek I could sing along to half of the stuff when it came to the second part of the song during my first listen. Too catchy, almost.
...while I'm listening to it. That is true.
But after I have finished listening to the album? Several hours later, I can only remember Sacrimony.
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I think my main issue with the album is that I've heard it like 4 or 5 times and outside of Sacrimony, I can't remember a single melody or riff. Though I enjoy the hell out of the album when I listen to it.
:eek I could sing along to half of the stuff when it came to the second part of the song during my first listen. Too catchy, almost.
...while I'm listening to it. That is true.
But after I have finished listening to the album? Several hours later, I can only remember Sacrimony.
Yeah, I get this. Required a good number of listens before I started having more random songs from it stuck in my head, and even then a lot of it's not as memorable as, say, The Black Halo.
But then again, there's not that many albums where I can remember all the tunes after just one listen. I've never got how people seem (or claim) to be able to have have such in depth opinions of albums after one listen - I need to listen to an album several times before I even consider myself to know the songs.
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Oh I agree. But I've listened to Silverthorn at least 4 or 5 times now and still can't keep any melodies in my head for more than an hour tops.
Though this will obviously change with time, it's still a flaw.
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Oh I agree. But I've listened to Silverthorn at least 4 or 5 times now and still can't keep any melodies in my head for more than an hour tops.
Though this will obviously change with time, it's still a flaw.
Agreed.
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Thorn, song for jolee, falling like the Fahrenheit, solitaire are all very catchy
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Thorn, song for jolee, falling like the Fahrenheit, solitaire are all very catchy
Did I use the word catchy? Bad choice on my part then. They are catchy as all hell.
Just not very memorable, to me at least.
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What possessed them to name another song "Solitaire", it makes things confusing.
I think Adami describes it pretty well. When you are listening to the album, you are enjoying what you hear, but I barely remember anything when it's done. This will probably be a grower with me.
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Thorn, song for jolee, falling like the Fahrenheit, solitaire are all very catchy
Did I use the word catchy? Bad choice on my part then. They are catchy as all hell.
Just not very memorable, to me at least.
To each his own, but not memorable and catchy are similar in meaning.
And yeah, two songs named solitaire is dumb.
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I'm really disappointed in this album. Songs are unmemorable and the production sucks. Had big hopes based on "Sacrimony."
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I'll probably pass on this one, as I did with the last one as well.
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Ok, well, I decided to give them a chance and bought the MP3 album. I've listened to it a few times now and I think it's.....pretty good. I definitely prefer this to "Poetry for the Poisoned"
I don't really hear the "terrible production" that everyone's talking about either. It doesn't sound as good as "The Black Halo" which I think is their creative and sonic high water mark, but I think it sounds OK. A bit on the dull side, but I've heard much, much worse than this.
It took a good 5 or 6 listens for the melodies to sink in, and I'd have to categorize the closing song as kind of boring, but overall I think it's a step in the right direction and Tommy sounds great on vocals.
I'll give it 3.5 out of 5 stars
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So....does any one else not hear the future Mrs. Adami on the closing track? I listened to it for her a bunch of times, but alas only hearing Roy, I mean Tommy.
Also it seems that for the most part, Kamelot on this CD forgot how to end songs and instead just....end them randomly after a chorus or something.
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They certainly forgot how to end an album, Continuum is really a big let down for an album ender.
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They certainly forgot how to end an album, Continuum is really a big let down for an album ender.
Yea, I just skip it.
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Yes, I totally agree, the closing track is a snoozer. Which I find very odd because they used to come up with some of the most killer album closers.
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Hmmm.....not really digging this album too much. At this stage Poetry is much better, but it could be a grower just like that one was.
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After listening to this album like 10 or so times, I think I figured out the two main problems.
1. Thomas Youngblood
2. Thomas Youngblood
He just seems to have no creativity or inspiration on this album. Tommy is clearly doing his best working with very bland music but even his amazing vocals can't save this cd from mediocrity. I'd say musically this album is a 4/10 but Tommy's vocals bump it up to a 6 or 7/10.
Seriously, I wish bands would only write music when very inspired to do so. This clearly wasn't the case with this CD. It seems they just wanted another Kamelot album and did the minimum effort to make one.
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Kamelot have nosedived since The Black Halo.
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Seriously, I wish bands would only write music when very inspired to do so. This clearly wasn't the case with this CD. It seems they just wanted another Kamelot album and did the minimum effort to make one.
Whether or not the band was insprired to write this album, I cant say, but they probably felt a strong need to do it just to move on from the Khan era and start new with Tommy.
Kamelot have nosedived since The Black Halo.
They did, but I think they are on the uprise now. Silverthorn is much better than Poety or Ghost Opera. How much higher can they go, I dont know, but I doubt they will ever be as good as they were with the Black Halo, that album is just too good.
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Finally got my pre-ordered limeted edition set in the mail. I didn't realize it came with a small 44 page hard covered book with the written story of Silverthorn. I'll have to give it a read. The bonus song, Grace, is pretty good.
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Kamelot have nosedived since The Black Halo.
I definitely agree with this. And I've seen it happen with plenty of bands. They all seem to reach a creative peak and then.....meh....
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Yea maybe that's why the new album took sooooo long to stick in my head. The music (while not bad at all) is REALLY samey and Tommy was given some stale riffs to write his great vocals over.
Seriously, I have to give props to Tommy for writing as well as he did given what he was given. Can't be easy at all.
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I dig Poetry For The Poisoned quite a bit.
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I dig Poetry For The Poisoned quite a bit.
Yea, it's not as bad as people make it out to be. Though the last suite is rather disappointing.
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This was an album I hated on first listen, but when I popped it in a 2nd time a week or so later, everything clicked. Not sure why I had such a different response, but I really like it now, including the final suite.
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This was an album I hated on first listen, but when I popped it in a 2nd time a week or so later, everything clicked. Not sure why I had such a different response, but I really like it now, including the final suite.
Poetry or Silverthorn?
Poetrys succubus/incubus or whatever finale wasn't that bad, but it just wasn't nearly as good as Momento Mori or the Elizabeth trilogy.
And my main complaint about the last song (not the last track) on Silverthorn is that it said my blue haired girl was on it BUT I CAN'T HEAR HER DAMNIT. However the church like intro to that song is amazing.
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Sorry, was talking about Poetry.
Silverthorn the jury is still out. I've listened to it a few times, it's ok so far, but I haven't been able to say I really like it yet. It will either be a grower or fizzle soon.
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Poetry is a very good album that I don't understand the hate for.
Another thought about Silverthorn, now that I've listened to it a few more times: the drop-off in lyrics quality was not as severe as I'd feared it be. The lyrics aren't great, as far as I can tell, but they're still a good step above your average power-metal.
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I haven't really read the lyrics at all but it is a concept album so I should read them to understand the story.
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Have some Welcome Home (https://w734.wrzuta.pl/audio/6IYwx8QLDim/kamelot_-_welcome_home), peeps.
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Cool, thanks for that. I was searching last night to see if it got out yet.
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It's better than the other two bonus tracks. Grace is nice I guess, even more so by having Apollo on it, and Leaving Too Soon reminds of old Sonata Arctica inexplicably, especially Oliver's solo. But this one just feels better.
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Have some Welcome Home (https://w734.wrzuta.pl/audio/6IYwx8QLDim/kamelot_-_welcome_home), peeps.
Thank you! :tup Was searching a lot for that a couple of weeks ago once I found out a sample I'd heard wasn't on the album.
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Have some Welcome Home (https://w734.wrzuta.pl/audio/6IYwx8QLDim/kamelot_-_welcome_home), peeps.
This singer is Amazing. Tell me, are those kind of songs rare and in Kamelor's catalogue?
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Have some Welcome Home (https://w734.wrzuta.pl/audio/6IYwx8QLDim/kamelot_-_welcome_home), peeps.
This singer is Amazing. Tell me, are those kind of songs rare and in Kamelor's catalogue?
Well, they are a Power Metal/Symphonic Metal band, so it's definetely not their usual style. If I remember correctly, they haven't written a song with acoustic guitars since Epica (which was released about 10 years ago). They have some piano ballads, though. And they changed singers a few months ago, so most of their songs are with a different singer. However, they have a pretty similar voice, you probably won't even notice the difference if you don't listen very closely.
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They do not have similar VOICES, just similar singing styles. Their actual voices could not be more far apart.
This singer is Amazing. Tell me, are those kind of songs rare and in Kamelor's catalogue?
They have some acoustic and semi-acoustic melodic pieces - the best would probably be Glory, A Sailorman's Hymn or Don't You Cry. Those are all legendary songs in the Kam catalog, miles above this tune :)
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EPILOGUE
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Songs like that aren't too common, Don't You Cry is the most similar that I've heard, it's also great.
Also, Welcome Home is amazing. It's a shame they couldn't put that on the album (or even as an actual bonus track on the album so that more people could hear it), it's an amazing song for Tommy's voice and a lot of Kamelot fans probably won't hear it.
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New Kamelot album is beautiful. :'(
I am absolutely stunned by Silverthorn. Kamelot's best album since The Black Halo. :hefdaddy
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Silverthorn has really grown on me. I still think the music on a lot of the songs is pretty weak, but Tommy saves the entire album and the last song (not the final track) is really incredible. I just hope Thomas tries....I dunno.....something different next time around, he kind is running out of ideas pretty obviously.
Also, the band really needs a new DVD. New singer, new bassist, sexy blue haired girl, 3 albums since the last DVD. And their last DVD was one of my favorites and most well done DVDs I'd ever seen.
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Also, the band really needs a new DVD. New singer, new bassist, sexy blue haired girl, 3 albums since the last DVD. And their last DVD was one of my favorites and most well done DVDs I'd ever seen.
Tommy needs to build some more stage presence before that. I mean, what he does now is pretty adorable, but everyone is going to compare him to Roy's majestic, well, everything. But yes, I am dying for a new DVD, and one full of Silverthorn content, and Ghost Opera as well. And guest performances. I talked to some of my friends who fancy Kamelot and they all agreed that, while it would be cool to see some guest performances from people who accompanied them on tour since Roy left, the only one we wouldn't care to see is Fabio Lione :lol Seeing Michael Eriksen do a duet with Tommy would make my head explode though.
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The typical girl singers will do fine, however they REALLY need a DVD quality release of March of Mephisto with sexy blue haired girl.
Also I hope the (non existent) DVD would have longer set lists than they're getting now. When I saw them it was almost all Ghost Opera material with a few classics and one Silverthorn song.
I also have no idea why Kamelot are essentially ignoring everything from The Fourth Legacy and before.
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There might be more room for it next tour, as I'm sure they didn't consider having Tommy learn older stuff for now. I know before they have ignored it because of Roy not being comfortable with singing the extra high stuff for longer amounts of time.
I just hope their concerts don't turn into just the greatest hits galore. I mean, it's Kam, whatever they play, I am going to be happy, but I don't want to see them turning into a boringly predictable band... and the signs are showing that.
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There might be more room for it next tour, as I'm sure they didn't consider having Tommy learn older stuff for now. I know before they have ignored it because of Roy not being comfortable with singing the extra high stuff for longer amounts of time.
I just hope their concerts don't turn into just the greatest hits galore. I mean, it's Kam, whatever they play, I am going to be happy, but I don't want to see them turning into a boringly predictable band... and the signs are showing that.
Exactly this, but bands can't downplay their past catalauge. I'm not saying they should play only hits, hell they can leave out Forever, and stuff from now on if they want. But songs like Alexandria, Lunar Sanctum, Until Kingdom Come, Millennium, Call of the Sea etc would be great to hear with the new line up.
Also it seems Poetry has become their St. Anger. The band seems to have totally ignored it on this tour, which is a shame since I felt it had some cool songs.
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Also it seems Poetry has become their St. Anger. The band seems to have totally ignored it on this tour, which is a shame since I felt it had some cool songs.
They really didnt play much of it on the Poetry tour either.
And I read or heard in an interview with Thomas that they have considered doing a DVD. I believe they were going to do one during the Poetry tour before it got cancelled when Khan left the band.
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Oh man Lunar Sanctum is one of my fave Kam songs :hefdaddy
Some cool songs, but the album played all at once bores me. I don't mind them skipping it that much for now, but I wouldn't mind seeing stuff like Hunter's Season on a future setlist either.
"For now" seem to be my key words; thing is, while I would absolutely love to see them throwing out obscure tracks and doing crazy stuff, I know that after a major shakeup they are trying to get everyone to like Kamelot v.3 (or however you'd count it) so they're playing to their strengths and playing stuff they're popular for. I hope there will be place for what we're discussing now, though. Imagine them breaking into We Three Kings in the middle of the set or something :biggrin:
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I just hope Kamelot doesn't fall into the trap a lot of bands do of "Well our newest albums were our biggest sellers, so we'll just play songs from those because obviously our fans don't know our older stuff". It sucks for long term fans like me who want to hear stuff from back before they were as popular, but just as good.
It would be like if DT played sets with only material from SC onward with Pull Me Under thrown in.
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I just hope Kamelot doesn't fall into the trap a lot of bands do of "Well our newest albums were our biggest sellers, so we'll just play songs from those because obviously our fans don't know our older stuff". It sucks for long term fans like me who want to hear stuff from back before they were as popular, but just as good.
It would be like if DT played sets with only material from SC onward with Pull Me Under thrown in.
I'd like a lot more bands to act like DT when it comes to live shows; to think we criticize them for not rotating the setlist every night anymore :lol Even as little as their official live DVDs are varied in regards to what I'd see them play, it's a lot more than what I get from other bands.
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Yea. I mean their last DVD was pretty much one of my favorite live DVDs ever. However it only featured music from I think three albums? And since one of those albums is one of the three and they're still playing from, it would be kind of lame if the only new songs on the DVD were from Ghost Opera and Silverthorn.
Nightwish has the same problem for me. Too many bands are ignoring their older songs.
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Yea. I mean their last DVD was pretty much one of my favorite live DVDs ever. However it only featured music from I think three albums?
Four albums. They played one song from The Fourth Legacy: "Nights of Arabia." I think they could have picked several better songs from The Fourth Legacy. When I saw them on The Black Halo Tour, they only played songs from three albums (Karma, Epica, The Black Halo), which I didn't mind. I'd rather hear "The Spell" than "Nights of Arabia."
But personally, I care more about Kamelot delivering a high energy, focused and refined performance rather than each specific song they play. They can play any songs they want as long as they play them with FEELING. With Khan, they certainly knew how to do that. I can imagine it's the same with Kaverik, too.
I'd love to see the new line-up now that I've heard Silverthorn. Too bad I probably won't get the chance. :facepalm:
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I'd love to see the new line-up now that I've heard Silverthorn. Too bad I probably won't get the chance. :facepalm:
Well you never know, they are about to announce the second Euro and US tours as well as Asia... and Australia, I think? I haven't paid attention to the specifics, as soon as they said they'd try and visit East Europe I immediately started daydreaming :metal
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I can't wait for the second US tour. I was supposed to see them literally a week before Khan left and they cancelled that show and then I couldn't see them when they came through again with Fabio but I finally got to see them when they opened for Nightwish but they played a short opener set. Id really like to see a whole set and id like to see the new songs.
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Here's an excerpt from an interview with Thomas Youngblood back in July 2012 with an update on Khan (in case no one has seen this):
Have you heard anymore from Roy?
Before making the final choice on the new singer, we did correspond via email. I know he's in good health, working in Norway. When he quit Kamelot he also chose to quit the music business and seems to be very happy. A page is turned, it's a new era for Kamelot! It's very exciting and I can already tell you it's gonna be great.
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We have also heard, in a French interview, that Roy has emailed Thomas back when he heard Silverthorn and said he loved it and especially complimented Tommy's singing :heart
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That's nice of him.
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Oldie but goodie :lol
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Setlist from when I saw them on The Black Halo Tour in 2006:
1. When the Lights are Down
2. Soul Society
3. The Edge of Paradise
4. Center of the Universe
5. The Spell
6. Abandoned
7. Moonlight
8. Forever
9. Keyboard Solo
(O. Palotai)
10. The Haunting (Somewhere in Time)
(Guest vocals by Simone Simmons from Epica)
11. Memento Mori
12. Drum Solo
(C. Grillo)
13. Farewell
14. Karma
15. Epilogue
16. March of Mephisto
(Guest vocals by Mark Jensen from Epica)
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/kamelot/2006/bb-king-blues-club-and-grill-new-york-ny-13d64135.html
Ahh... that show was amazing!!!
My top three songs from Silverthorn:
Ashes to Ashes
Veritas
Falling like the Farenheit
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That setlist... :drool:
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You know, they really should bring back some of their older material IMO, that would give the band more diversity live and maybe would ignite some originality in Thomas' future writing. Great older songs;
We Are Not Seperate
Red Sands
Black Tower
One of the Hunted
Call of the Sea
Sin
One Day I'll Win
Expedition
Millenium
Lots of good shit on the first three albums.
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Can't say I'm too fond of their first few albums but they should play more from karma and the fourth legacy. They did the sailormans hymn with Fabio.
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"One Day," the Japanese bonus track from Seige Perilous, is a hidden gem. It's an acoustic ballad and probably the best song on that album (not to be confused with "One Day I'll Win" from Dominion).
I was listening to Seige Perilous and there's a couple of good moments on there. The instrumentals sound like neo classical progressive metal similar to early Symphony X, actually. This part of Kamelot was forgotten apparently.
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There are a couple of good moments on Siege, true, but what they've done from Fourth Legacy and onwards completely trumps what they did in the 90's. My only beef with the current Kam setlist is that they play very little songs pre-2005, but I don't think you could reasonably expect of Tommy to nail that entire era down in such a short period of time, especially with his perfectionist persona. He always takes a long time with everything. My point is, no point in expecting songs off the first album with Roy or even pre-Roy when they barely touch pre-Epica/TBH.
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What was everybody's first Kamelot song and album? I'll start...
First song: Lunar Sanctum or Don't You Cry
First album: The Black Halo
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First song: The Fourth Legacy
First album: The Fourth Legacy
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First song: Center of the Universe
First album: Epica
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1st album- Karma
1st song - the instrumental intro! Then Forever.
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First song: Forever (i discovered Kamelot by accident through someone's Myspace page)
First album: Not sure. After Forever, I downloaded the songs available on their website, and then bought Karma, Epica and The Black Halo at the same time.
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First song: Center of The Universe
First Album: Ghost Opera
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First Album: Ghost Opera
I feel sorry for you.
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First Album: Ghost Opera
I feel sorry for you.
Why, I actually like it.
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First Album: Ghost Opera
I feel sorry for you.
Why, I actually like it.
oh.
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Ghost Opera has plenty of good tracks, especially "EdenEcho," which is one of my very favorites from Kamelot. But yeah, it's usually considered a step down from The Fourth Legacy-The Black Halo.
I do wish I saw them again before Roy left. :facepalm: Anybody else catch Kamelot live?
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I saw them live in 2007. They actually played in my hometown of New Port Richey in a tiny bar only a few minutes away from where I lived. I still can't believe it.
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I saw them live in 2007. They actually played in my hometown of New Port Richey in a tiny bar only a few minutes away from where I lived. I still can't believe it.
You're very luck. I've heard of people going on flights and driving across the country just to see them, and they basically came to your front door. :P
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I caught them on the recent NA tour with Nightwish, back in November.
Unfortunately, the venue was taking a while getting people through the door, and I missed like half of their set. :tdwn
That same venue, fortunately (IMO) has shut down, and now all the smaller venues are absorbing bigger bands.
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Silverthorn North American Tour 2013 Dates
Fri, Sep 6th, 2013 NEW YORK, NY Stage 48 United States
Sat, Sep 7th, 2013 WORCESTER, MA The Palladium United States
Sun, Sep 8th, 2013 MONTRΙAL, QUE Club Soda Canada
Sat, Sep 21st, 2013 ANAHEIM, CA The Grove United States
Sun, Sep 29th, 2013 ORLANDO, FL House of Blues United States
https://www.kamelot.com/site/tour/
I'm gonna try to make it to the NYC or Orlando show. :metal
Anybody else gonna try to catch them in September?
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I plan on going to the NYC show, so happy its on a Friday.
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They should really announce some Euro tour dates. You know, the ones they said they'd announce "soon" three months ago. Kamelot is worse than Over The Edge productions :rollin
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They should really announce some Euro tour dates. You know, the ones they said they'd announce "soon" three months ago. Kamelot is worse than Over The Edge productions :rollin
Well they did already tour Europe twice since Tommy joined I believe. Also they said is tour dates soon many monthes ago as well.
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Got the meet in greet for the Baltimore show. This will be my 4th time seeing Kamelot perform, but the first with Tommy singing.
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Got the meet in greet for the Baltimore show. This will be my 4th time seeing Kamelot perform, but the first with Tommy singing.
Awesome!! :metal
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video for My Confession: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSylbQEHhVo&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSylbQEHhVo&feature=player_embedded)
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hmmm....Worcester....I'm not crazy about that venue, though :|
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video for My Confession: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSylbQEHhVo&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSylbQEHhVo&feature=player_embedded)
That video is 8 fucking months late :lol
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Since that video features Eklipse and they are also touring with them in the fall, I hope they perform this song together.
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I wonder if the girl with the eye patch is really missing an eye. If not, I'll be extremely disappointed.
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So I saw Kamelot and Delain last Friday in NYC. Great show. The venue was pretty small, but the crowd seemed very into it. Kamelot played a few new songs but mostly older stuff. They played Dont You Cry which was awesome and totally unexpected. Tommy dominated that song. I had a really great time, got to shake Tommy's hand after the concert. Below is my video clip of My Confession which they did play with Eklipse ( :metal).
https://youtu.be/dwUUtfP65ks (https://youtu.be/dwUUtfP65ks)
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Sweet man, just a week and a half away for me :metal
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Saw 'em last night (VIP - so will post the pic once they post them). Good group. Was cool meeting Casey Grillo, as I loved his work on Consortium Project. Anyhoo... excellent show. Only 2 gripes is that the sound engineers had the Delain drums mixed way to loud, and Tommy's mic was a little low. Otherwise, great show. Had an excellent view... was on the level of the floor above the 'pit', right beside the sound board - completely unobstructed all night. Tommy is a great front man, as is Charlotte - and she's smokin hawt - seems to have lost some weight compared to most of the pics of her on the internetz. Oh, and speaking of which... guess who I bumped into as I'm walking back to my car?
(https://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww265/jingle-boy/DTF%20items/DD59AC41-DA0B-45AD-9426-44B3787B1EA8-250-000000ADC6C54669_zpse8f11f99.jpg)
dumbass look on my face is because I was talking as I took the pic. :lolpalm:
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That's awesome!
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Charlette looked great. Im bummed I missed the first few songs of the set, I got there at 7:15PM and they already started. You are lucking to have met her. :hefdaddy
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Very jealous. Wish I could go to the show when they come to my town, but the scheduling isn't going to work out. :'(
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Charlette looked great. Im bummed I missed the first few songs of the set, I got there at 7:15PM and they already started. You are lucking to have met her. :hefdaddy
You mean 8:15? Show didn't start until 7:30, and that was Eklipse. Charlotte was chubby-inducing in her stage getup.
(https://www.talknerdytomelover.com/storage/schwing.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1282251111496)
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Saw 'em last night (VIP - so will post the pic once they post them). Good group. Was cool meeting Casey Grillo, as I loved his work on Consortium Project. Anyhoo... excellent show. Only 2 gripes is that the sound engineers had the Delain drums mixed way to loud, and Tommy's mic was a little low. Otherwise, great show. Had an excellent view... was on the level of the floor above the 'pit', right beside the sound board - completely unobstructed all night. Tommy is a great front man, as is Charlotte - and she's smokin hawt - seems to have lost some weight compared to most of the pics of her on the internetz. Oh, and speaking of which... guess who I bumped into as I'm walking back to my car?
(https://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww265/jingle-boy/DTF%20items/DD59AC41-DA0B-45AD-9426-44B3787B1EA8-250-000000ADC6C54669_zpse8f11f99.jpg)
dumbass look on my face is because I was talking as I took the pic. :lolpalm:
More like a "yeah bitches, what?" expression.
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Charlette looked great. Im bummed I missed the first few songs of the set, I got there at 7:15PM and they already started. You are lucking to have met her. :hefdaddy
You mean 8:15? Show didn't start until 7:30, and that was Eklipse. Charlotte was chubby-inducing in her stage getup.
(https://www.talknerdytomelover.com/storage/schwing.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1282251111496)
I meant when I saw them in NYC. Doors opened at 6 for that show.
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Gotchya
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Just saw them tonight; Charlotte and Alissa looked great, as did Eklipse, and they were also excellent (first time hearing them). I really enjoyed Delain but Charlotte was too low in the mix and was a bit hard to hear over the guitar and bass at times.
Kamelot was phenomenal. The setlist:
Rule the World
Torn
The Great Pandemonium
Veritas
Center of the Universe
Song For Jolee
The Human Stain
When the Lights are Down
The Pendulous Fall
My Confession
Forever
Sacrimony (Angel of Afterlife)
Ghost Opera
Karma
March of Mephisto
A bit disappointed with some of their Silverthorn choices, but overall an awesome show. Highlight for me was probably Sacrimony, it's amazing live.
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Eklipse was pretty damn cool, Delain was solid, and they must have gotten some feedback cause Charlotte was sounding great and up front.
Kamelot fucking slayed, so damn good. Tommy is a lights out frontman. Crowd was a sellout and loud as fuck. Great night, great show!!!
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Waiting in line!
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Finally got around to finding my meet-and-greet pic. Really nice guys ... Especially since I inadvertently mistook Thomas for Tommy! :facepalm:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1266989_10151700251873003_537259284_o.jpg)
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I have pics I still need to upload. I wish I could have done the meet and greet though. I did get a picture with Charlotte (could have gotten pics with guitarist and bassist, but for some reason didn't...) and got my Delain CDs signed. Didn't see their keyboardist anywhere though.
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Finally got around to finding my meet-and-greet pic. Really nice guys ... Especially since I inadvertently mistook Thomas for Tommy! :facepalm:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1266989_10151700251873003_537259284_o.jpg)
Well he is dressed exactly like Tommy would be, so it's not like I blame you :lol
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My girlfriend got some great shots of "Blue Haired Girl".
That'll get Adami to resurface.
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Chad I just noticed your shirt and now I'm double jelly :lol did anyone notice it at the show/m&g?
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Yeah, Thomas noticed it. That's where my fuck-up came in. I said to Thomas that I was really looking forward to 'The Theory of Everyhing'. He asked if that was the new Dream Theater release? Then it dawned on me that I was talking to Thomas! But yeah... With them wearing the same hat, and Thomas had his hair pulled back, and it was pretty dark .... I guess it was understandable. I still felt like a doofus.
Sean also asked which band it was.
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My favorite pics from the show (9-22-13):
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Surprise Kamehameha:
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Me with Charlotte of Delain:
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Unfortunately my girlfriend didn't take any pics of Delain, but I wish she had. Charlotte looked absolutely stunning in her stage outfit. :heart :heart :heart
For reference, here's Mother Machine from the same night:
https://youtu.be/YzXVgA8eaxI?t=1m20s
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So from Facebook, Kamelot has been hyping an "intimate" show this summer in the Netherlands. I get the feeling that show will have special guests and be recorded for a DVD since Thomas has been saying for a couple years now that the band has been planning to do another DVD shoot. I hope that is the case because One Cold Winters Night is one of the best, if not the best, concert DVD I have ever seen.
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So - I saw Kamelot open for Nightwish last year. They were touring in support of Silverthorn.... I thought the show was ok.
GoHastings commonly has sales for 30-40% off used CDs. So I picked up Epica, Karma, The Black Halo (waiting for it to arrive), Poetry for the Poisoned (waiting for it), The Ghost Opera (waiting for it).
I've been listening to Epica and Siege Perilous the last couple days. Jesus, Roy Khan can sing. It makes me sad he's not with them anymore.
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Makes me sad that he doesn't even sing anymore. Unless he's in the choir of w/e cult he joined in. At least I was lucky enough to see them live with him. What a show!
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Makes me sad that he doesn't even sing anymore. Unless he's in the choir of w/e cult he joined in. At least I was lucky enough to see them live with him. What a show!
I found this yesterday and felt sick.
(https://i44.tinypic.com/i5u23b.jpg)
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Is that Roy? If he's happy where he is, I say good for him. It's certainly better for his health.
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It may have already been posted but this appeared a couple of years ago - very cool wedding singer score there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZcVWMEqCH0
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Is that Roy? If he's happy where he is, I say good for him. It's certainly better for his health.
Agreed.
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Is that Roy? If he's happy where he is, I say good for him. It's certainly better for his health.
That's him alright.
I agree, if he's happier, great.... just makes me sad I didn't get to see him.
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Man, I would never have picked that to be Roy.
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He looks like Moby.
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I still can't believe he quit the band like a week before I was about to see them for the first time.
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Roy's doing what he wants and as long as he is happy, who are we to judge him?
I had the pleasure of doing a phone interview with Roy 10 years or so ago and what a complete gentleman he was.
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I'd love to hear a solo album from him, metal or not.
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Makes me sad that he doesn't even sing anymore. Unless he's in the choir of w/e cult he joined in. At least I was lucky enough to see them live with him. What a show!
I found this yesterday and felt sick.
(https://i44.tinypic.com/i5u23b.jpg)
I don't feel sick, but it's a surprisingly powerful image. That is, for all the world, a completely different man. Such a regular picture of an apparently normal bloke shouldn't be quite so shocking, but it is. That's dumbfounded me, a little. Crikey.
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I'd love to hear a solo album from him, metal or not.
I thought I had read he was working on something.
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I don't feel sick, but it's a surprisingly powerful image. That is, for all the world, a completely different man. Such a regular picture of an apparently normal bloke shouldn't be quite so shocking, but it is. That's dumbfounded me, a little. Crikey.
I'm not sick for his health and happiness, if this is what brings it. I'm sick that I never got to see him and my assesment of the image suggests I never will.
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So, was listening to my DT Pandora channel today and Moonlight off of Black Halo comes on. Nice song! Thought I'd download an album and give them a try. So I came here, and the general consensous seems to be the 4th Legacy is the best album. Well.... iTunes doesn't have the 4th Legacy :omg: bastards.....
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Karma and The Black Halo are the best them. The Fourth Legacy is still great though.
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Karma and The Black Halo are the best them. The Fourth Legacy is still great though.
Thanks Bro! Downloaded Black Halo :metal
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Karma and The Black Halo are the best them. The Fourth Legacy is still great though.
Thanks Bro! Downloaded Black Halo :metal
Don't forget Epica too. Not as good as the sequel, but a lot of awesome songs. Actually the whole thing is awesome, I just I think TBH is better.
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The Fourth Legacy is actually my favorite, along with Black Halo.
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Nights of Arabia brings the album down a tad for me. I just never got into it. When I first discovered Kamelot in 2006, NoA was one of the free tracks to download from their website, and it was just kinda meh. Still is unfortunately. I love the drum sound on that album.
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Listening to Black Halo...so far pretty awesome!
**EDIT...
Abandoned....WOW, awesome song. It's rare a first listen to a song hits me that hard. This guy has a great voice.
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Can anyone clue me in on "One Cold Winter's Night"? I see it on Amazon and Best Buy sold as 2 DVD or 2CD, but amazon has a few listings for a 2DVD+2CD "combo". I can't find this anywhere else.
Is it out of print or some shady import deal?
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I think its just released seperate.
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I'd go;
Epica
Fourth Legacy
Black Halo
But you can't go wrong with any of these, actually all three are essential.
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I think its just released seperate.
So this stuff on eBay is some bootleg stuff or? One seller claims it's 100% legit?
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I like Epica much more than The Black Halo, but that's just me.
My ranking goes Karma -> Epica -> Black Halo -> Fourth Legacy, and I think that's a fine order for a beginner too.
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My rankings:
Black Halo
Epica
Silverthorn
Karma
4th Legacy
Ghost Opera
Poetry for the Poisoned
The rest
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I think its just released seperate.
So this stuff on eBay is some bootleg stuff or? One seller claims it's 100% legit?
I have no clue, maybe he's selling them together. But I believe they were released seperate.
Is it all in one box?
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I have no clue, maybe he's selling them together. But I believe they were released seperate.
Is it all in one box?
It makes it sound like it's all one box.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/KAMELOT-One-cold-winters-Night-LIVE-2-CD-2-DVD-pack-/380422692510?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item5892f59e9e
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I have no clue, maybe he's selling them together. But I believe they were released seperate.
Is it all in one box?
It makes it sound like it's all one box.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/KAMELOT-One-cold-winters-Night-LIVE-2-CD-2-DVD-pack-/380422692510?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item5892f59e9e
I dI'd a bit of searching, and it could be a limited edition release of both cds and dvds.
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Dude. That's my favorite Kamelot song.
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My rankings:
Black Halo
Epica
Silverthorn
Karma
4th Legacy
Ghost Opera
Poetry for the Poisoned
The rest
Accepting that I've not got everything (this isn't a band I've ever been completionist about - I just snap up what I see when I see it), here's basically where I stand...
1. The Fourth Legacy
2. One Cold Winter's Night
3. Ghost Opera
4. The Black Halo
5. Siege Perilous
6. Poetry for the Poisoned
The Black Halo is lower than you might expect only because I think everything that's brilliant about it is twice as brilliant on the OCWN disc. That is a properly phenomenal performance, with all the essential tracks. And you know what? I've lost my copy! ...Bums!! But I agree the songs are killer, and I'd totally recommend it to any new fan, I just think they did it better later.
I'm no big fan of Siege Perilous, but it had some memorable songs on it. Poetry for the Poisoned really disappointed - and it's a shame, cos it's got the best title of any of their albums. I gather I really need to track down Silverthorn, mind.
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All this renewed Kamelot talk made me revisit some memories. The one time they were here they played this:
Solitaire
Rule the World
When the Lights are Down
Soul Society
Descent of the Archangel
Center of the Universe
Abandoned
Nights of Arabia
Instrumental Jam
The Human Stain
The Haunting (Somewhere in Time)
EdenEcho
Keyboard Solo
Forever
Encore:
Ghost Opera
Love You To Death
Karma
Encore 2:
March of Mephisto
Don't know if they change setlists a lot during shows but this one was fucking sick.
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Yea that looks like a sick set. They will change sets over shows although it's usually only a few songs that rotate but what I've noticed over the years is that they really play the same songs most tours and just substitute in the newer. Songs and maybe through in a rarer song. When I last saw them they played Don't You Cry which was awesome.
Also the DVD for OCWN is amazing, my favorite concert DVD.
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I dI'd a bit of searching, and it could be a limited edition release of both cds and dvds.
Yeah I can't find anything on the entire thing.
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I have no clue, maybe he's selling them together. But I believe they were released seperate.
Is it all in one box?
It makes it sound like it's all one box.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/KAMELOT-One-cold-winters-Night-LIVE-2-CD-2-DVD-pack-/380422692510?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item5892f59e9e
Yeah, it's one package. I own it. It was released seperate also.
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Yeah, it's one package. I own it. It was released seperate also.
Do you know if it's a non US package or anything? I can't find any specifics on it.
*Edit: I did find mention here https://www.bravewords.com/news/50421
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Yeah, it's one package. I own it. It was released seperate also.
Do you know if it's a non US package or anything? I can't find any specifics on it.
*Edit: I did find mention here https://www.bravewords.com/news/50421
Not sure what you mean there man, sorry. It's a standard fold out large digi with the 2CD's on one side and the 2DVD's on the other.
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Not sure what you mean there man, sorry. It's a standard fold out large digi with the 2CD's on one side and the 2DVD's on the other.
Like how some special stuff is Germany only, or Australia only or so and so only.
I wonder if this "Edition" was not sold in the USA, hence my problems finding info on it from US resellers.
Discogs lists the 4 disc editions as Germany and Mexico released. I'm not sure how accurate their data is, though.
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My guess would be that it looks like this.
(https://www.madsupply.com/thumb-1299/nightwish_showtime_storytime_2dvd_2cd.jpg?width=450)
Not sure what you mean there man, sorry. It's a standard fold out large digi with the 2CD's on one side and the 2DVD's on the other.
Like how some special stuff is Germany only, or Australia only or so and so only.
I wonder if this "Edition" was not sold in the USA, hence my problems finding info on it from US resellers.
Discogs lists the 4 disc editions as Germany and Mexico released. I'm not sure how accurate their data is, though.
Not sure man, but I can have a squizz at it later when I get home and let you know if it says anything special on it. It was actually pretty easy to find here in Australia.
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My guess would be that it looks like this.
Well it came. It looks like this:
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-p49zPbW28Rc/Uw6aMWhWS9I/AAAAAAAANMc/GXJvyZ8mpw0/s1600/Kamelot+Simone+Simons+One+Cold+Winter%2527s+Night+Box+2DVD+2CD+Epica+Collection+Joao+Hipolito+3.jpg)
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4Btr98XtWkI/Uw6aWgzexGI/AAAAAAAANMk/pqPvxVZ9abA/s1600/Kamelot+Simone+Simons+One+Cold+Winter%2527s+Night+Box+2DVD+2CD+Epica+Collection+Joao+Hipolito+4.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LQVsTv8AjBE/Uw6b2EmYHRI/AAAAAAAANNQ/pndLP_8_FBI/s1600/Kamelot+Simone+Simons+One+Cold+Winter%2527s+Night+Box+2DVD+2CD+Epica+Collection+Joao+Hipolito+5.jpg)
It's pretty much the crummiest "Limited/Special Edition" I've ever come across. It had stickers on it that suggested it was specifically released for Mexico though...
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As long as it plays.
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As long as it plays.
It does, and cost me $16 bucks for both the DVDs and CDs. So not much to complain about.
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It's still a digipack though, isn't it? Despite the awful slots for the discs.
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It's still a digipack though, isn't it? Despite the awful slots for the discs.
I guess you could call it that. It's flimsier than a digipack I think.
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Damn i need to get into Kamelot. What led me here was Ark, and love Tore Ostby and his style, so i learned about Conception but have heard little of them. And I hear a lot about this Roy Kahn guy, and i learn he's in Kamelot, a band i hear great things about.
Would you consider Kamelot a power metal band? Is there anyone they can be compared to? And i'm wondering, what are their lyrics like? Do they deal with mostly fantasy themes, like many bands like them do?
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Yep, power metal and fantasy. DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNN.
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Well, it's not magic-castles-heroes-dragons and stuff fantasy, not Blind Guardian-esque lyrics. I wouldn't call lyrics on concept albums (Epica, The Black Halo and Silverthorn, in case NotePad doesn't know) fantasy at all.
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I think the fantasy lyrics are mostly from the earlier albums.
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Mindflux, you got fucking ripped off. I have never seen that and would question that packaging, absolutely dreadful. Not to rub it in, but I took some pics of mine to share;
(https://imageshack.com/a/img844/590/urb2.jpg)
(https://imageshack.com/a/img856/650/iht7.jpg)
(https://imageshack.com/a/img580/8493/5ymg.jpg)
(https://imageshack.com/a/img838/5397/tu4x.jpg)
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Mindflux, you got fucking ripped off. I have never seen that and would question that packaging, absolutely dreadful. Not to rub it in, but I took some pics of mine to share;
Mine is indeed legit (as I've found out) it's just the ultra budget version apparently. :rollin
I've never seen your edition.
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Mindflux, you got fucking ripped off. I have never seen that and would question that packaging, absolutely dreadful. Not to rub it in, but I took some pics of mine to share;
Mine is indeed legit (as I've found out) it's just the ultra budget version apparently. :rollin
I've never seen your edition.
As I said earlier, it was relatively easy to find instores around the time it was released. Mine says on the back Made in Germany.
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I just have the regular edition, and bought the CDs separately cause I'm awesome like that. I do have the combo packs of Nightwish's End of an Era, and Star One's Live On Earth.
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I only have the DVD and the digital downloads of the mp3s. It would be cool if they re released it on Bly Ray.
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I just ordered this one.....
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kamelot-One-cold-winters-night-2-CD-2-DVD-VERY-LIMITED-/161241204449?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item258ab986e1
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I just ordered this one.....
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kamelot-One-cold-winters-night-2-CD-2-DVD-VERY-LIMITED-/161241204449?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item258ab986e1
That's the 'janky' one I ordered. Same seller. The CD and DVD's are fine, but the jacket/etc is digipack quality. Though still a deal for 4 discs, wish the packaging was better.
See pics (not mine) here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=767.msg1781196#msg1781196
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I don't really care about packaging. The last 3 Blu Ray 3D's I bought were absolute shit packaging, which seems to be the norm now. As long as the data quality is there...that's all that matters to me :tup Yeah $13.99 for all 4 discs.
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I care about packaging, and wolfking, this looks awesome! I would totally buy this version.
It seems that's the one:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/One-Cold-Winters-Night-2dvd/dp/B000IAZPKC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1395421907&sr=8-4&keywords=kamelot+one+cold+winter%27s+night
A bit expensive though.
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/One-Cold-Winters-Night-2dvd/dp/B000IAZPKC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1395421907&sr=8-4&keywords=kamelot+one+cold+winter%27s+night
A bit expensive though.
That claims to be 2 DVD's only though, even though the title and picture seem to suggest otherwise.
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I care about packaging, and wolfking, this looks awesome! I would totally buy this version.
It seems that's the one:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/One-Cold-Winters-Night-2dvd/dp/B000IAZPKC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1395421907&sr=8-4&keywords=kamelot+one+cold+winter%27s+night
A bit expensive though.
Wow... that's like $50. And the only difference is packaging?? :omg: If the digital quality is the same... I'll keep what I got...
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That claims to be 2 DVD's only though, even though the title and picture seem to suggest otherwise.
Yeah, that's what confuses me too. I'm not ready to spend such money for something unconfirmed. If I know for sure it's the same version as wolfking's I'll consider buying it, but otherwise no way.
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Well, I beleive I paid $60 Australian for mine, maybe $57-58. Considering import cd's and dvd's are usually $30 each, I was fine with the price.
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Does anybody know when they will release a new live recording? In 013 Tilburg last year they said they were recording (something for a documentary or something like that?). It was a very good concert, so I certainly hope we get to hear some of it.
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Does anybody know when they will release a new live recording? In 013 Tilburg last year they said they were recording (something for a documentary or something like that?). It was a very good concert, so I certainly hope we get to hear some of it.
Well, they've announced "a very special intimate" show in Haarlem, Netherlands at the end of August, so that could be it.
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Does anybody know when they will release a new live recording? In 013 Tilburg last year they said they were recording (something for a documentary or something like that?). It was a very good concert, so I certainly hope we get to hear some of it.
Well, they've announced "a very special intimate" show in Haarlem, Netherlands at the end of August, so that could be it.
This is my belief as well, Thomas has said in many interviews he wanted to make another live DVD and that seems like the likely scenario.
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Does anybody know when they will release a new live recording? In 013 Tilburg last year they said they were recording (something for a documentary or something like that?). It was a very good concert, so I certainly hope we get to hear some of it.
Well, they've announced "a very special intimate" show in Haarlem, Netherlands at the end of August, so that could be it.
Well, I am pretty sure they said they were recording that show itself last year.
That said, I already have the tickets to that intimate show too ;D
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Have watched some live videos with Kamelot and Alissa White-Gluz. She has a great stage presence among other things... :biggrin: I knew she could growl but didn't really knew she also had a great clean voice. Although from the videos i've seen it's kind of hard to tell how in pitch she sings, not that I doubt her talent....just curious. Damn she can growl though, one of the best females i've heard.
Any good videos of her were you can actually her clean voice good would be nice to see!
Again she has a great stage presence among other things.... :zydar:
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Any good videos of her were you can actually her clean voice good would be nice to see!
Several videos of her with her first band The Agonist feature her clean singing voice quite a lot.
and don't get me wrong, but winkies and :coolio 's aren't needed, we all know she's hot
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Alissa is awesome. Probably one of my favorite female singers.
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and don't get me wrong, but winkies and :coolio 's aren't needed, we all know she's hot
*Sigh thought I was the only one there for a sec. :P
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Not crazy about her growls mostly because im not crazy about growls in general, but her clean vocals are great and she adds a lot to the live Kamelot show. Elyze and Alissa will be missed.
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Elyze and Alissa will be missed.
I think Kam will always be working with them in some capacity. While they do like to switch between collaborators, they've been working with Amanda Somerville for ages, and Simone Simmons for at least five years before they started looking for more singers to collaborate with, so I wouldn't be surprised to see either of them on stage as a part of a special event, or their bands as tour support, or to hear them on an album.
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Bumpage:
Guitarist Thomas Youngblood and keyboardist Oliver Palotai of American / German / Swedish symphonic metallers KAMELOT are in the Stuttgart area of Germany this week "working on the final parts of the next KAMELOT album," according to Youngblood. He adds: "It's going great and we have lots of music and ideas in store."
KAMELOT's follow-up to 2012's "Silverthorn" is tentatively due next spring via an as-yet-undetermined record label.
Read more at https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/kamelot-putting-the-finishing-touches-on-songwriting-for-next-album/#zPejlIBpSrrixjmS.99
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Nice, saw that on facebook. New Seventh Wonder and new Kamelot = my man crush with Tommy will overwhelm me
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Suh-wheeeeet!!!!
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Nice, saw that on facebook. New Seventh Wonder and new Kamelot = my man crush with Tommy will overwhelm me
If Seventh Wonder ever get round to putting out a full album :lol Wouldn't be surprised if Kamelot got out an album before them at this rate. It could be a shame for Seventh Wonder if they end up a minor side project compared to Kamelot, considering they have my favourite album of the decade and were on course to become my favourite band...
But anyway, new Kamelot should be great too. A new album wasn't even on my radar (probably because I wouldn't start anticipating it until after Seventh Wonder, and it has been held up for a bit) but I'll be eagerly anticipating it.
I have been on a bit of a Kamelot kick recently funnily enough, listening to The Black Halo and Epica earlier today. They are still my favourites from them, but I wouldn't be that surprised if an album with Tommy surpassed them.
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I have been on a bit of a Kamelot kick recently funnily enough, listening to The Black Halo and Epica earlier today. They are still my favourites from them, but I wouldn't be that surprised if an album with Tommy surpassed them.
I almost agree. The Black Halo is one of my all time favorite albums from any band so I dont really think they will release something better, however I do think they can do great things with Tommy and I really loved Silverthorn. Im actually really bummed they didnt play more songs from that album after all the tours they did since it came out.
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Tonight the special intimate concert in Haarlem (Netherlands), together with Stream of Passion. Looking forward to it! ;D
And:
Does anybody know when they will release a new live recording? In 013 Tilburg last year they said they were recording (something for a documentary or something like that?). It was a very good concert, so I certainly hope we get to hear some of it.
Well, they finally released some footage of that show, but as a clip to the studio version of Falling Like Farenheit. I still wish they release the show one way or another (bonus?), as the performance was stellar, the audience was great and the recording looks pretty nice (they probably did record the audio as well, right?).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rakUWb-Bt5k#t=22 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rakUWb-Bt5k#t=22)
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I would think theyd be taping tonight considering how much the have hyped the concert. Also they showed a pic on facebook of Oliver playing an acoustic guitar with the other guys playing as well so Im wondering what they are planning. I wish I could be there.
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Oh, new Kamelot and new 7th Wonder? :o
Both first day auto-buys for me.
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Kamelot will be taking DragonForce on tour with them next year... I'm still going, but ugh.
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Kamelot will be taking DragonForce on tour with them next year... I'm still going, but ugh.
I got my NYC tickets already. Not a big DF fan, but I'll check them out, maybe they are fun live. Im pumped though just for Kamelot, they are always a good show.
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Ugh indeed. On the other hand, they probably won't visit Russia anyway, so it doesn't bother me much.
Apparently the album will be out on March.
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The dates:
(https://www.kamelot.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/US-2015v2small.jpg)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_kxsheJmhE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_kxsheJmhE)
A video from their recent intimate show in Haarlem, the world premiere of new song "Welcome Home" This is also acoustic, which I am not sure if thats how it is on the album or not.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_kxsheJmhE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_kxsheJmhE)
A video from their recent intimate show in Haarlem, the world premiere of new song "Welcome Home" This is also acoustic, which I am not sure if thats how it is on the album or not.
I remember hearing a snippet of this song during the promotions for Silverthorn and was really surprised to find that it wasn't on the album. Makes me wonder if it's going to be on the next album?
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hm, was it a b-side? I saw it was the premiere and assumed it was a new song. Maybe its not then if you heard parts of it before.
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hm, was it a b-side? I saw it was the premiere and assumed it was a new song. Maybe its not then if you heard parts of it before.
Not that I know of. If I remember correctly, a lot of folks wondered where the song ended up because it was nowhere to be found at all. So yeah, this probably IS the debut of the song as a whole. Just hope to finally hear the whole studio version at some point too.
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Sooo, new tour announced. This time in support of the new album (set for Spring 2015 apparently) so colour me excited!
Another "exclusive" show at 013 in The Netherlands, which I will attend.
I see I never said how the special concert was, so here goes: I thought is was a really good show. The acoustic bits were nice and the performance was great. There were quite some technical problems though and the sound was all over the place at times. I have to say the concert at 013 (the one with the footage of their latest clip) before that was better though (also featuring more guests to join in the songs), but that is probably one of the best, if not the best concert I have ever seen. They gave it all that night.
hm, was it a b-side? I saw it was the premiere and assumed it was a new song. Maybe its not then if you heard parts of it before.
Not that I know of. If I remember correctly, a lot of folks wondered where the song ended up because it was nowhere to be found at all. So yeah, this probably IS the debut of the song as a whole. Just hope to finally hear the whole studio version at some point too.
A bit late, but it was indeed a b-side: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_PamlGgRgg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_PamlGgRgg). Relaxing song, I like it. Crappy quality though, wonder if there is a better version out there.
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Sooo, new tour announced. This time in support of the new album (set for Spring 2015 apparently) so colour me excited!
Another "exclusive" show at 013 in The Netherlands, which I will attend.
Well, this is awful. I bet they won't come to Russia (bloody again). I will be in Netherlands for ten days in the end of September, but since this Tilburg show takes place on October 16th, I won't be able to attend it either.
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I already got my tickets to see them in NYC in April. Just bummed its on a Thursday night, but none the less, should be a lot of fun. I do hope they pull out some songs that arent in their normal set lists. Last time they played Dont You Cry which was awesome, Id like to see more rarities like that since they seem to play all the same songs over and over since Tommy joined. Since I doubt the new album will be out by then, Id also like to not hear too much new stuff just because I wont know it.
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New album details:
KAMELOT Announce Release Date For New Album "HAVEN"
Artwork and Track Listing Revealed!
Symphonic Metal Masters KAMELOT return after 2 years of touring the globe and 12 months of intense writing and recording. In mid 2014 the band entered the studio to begin recording their follow-up to the highly acclaimed chart topping album Silverthorn. The new album titled HAVEN will make KAMELOT history as it will be released worldwide (excl. Asia ) on Napalm Records /Universal and Napalm Records/ADA-Warner as an exclusive licensing deal through the band's KAMELOT MUSIC LLC in early May 2015 and will showcase KAMELOT at their finest!
Today the breathtaking artwork, track listing and album configurations have been unveiled. HAVEN will be available to pre-order in multiple bundle packages at the Napalm Records Webstore - starting Thursday, February 26th 2015.
HAVEN - The new masterpiece by KAMELOT coming out:
UK/NO/FR/DK/IT: 04.05.2015
USA/CAN: 05.05.2015
SE/ESP: 06.05.2015
G/A/S/Europe/AUS: 08.05.2015
HAVEN Track Listing:
CD 1
1. Fallen Star
2. Insomnia
3. Citizen Zero
4. Veil of Elysium
5. Under Grey Skies
6. My Therapy
7. Ecclesia
8. End of Innocence
9. Beautiful Apocalypse
10. Liar Liar (Wasteland Monarchy)
11. Here's To The Fall
12. Revolution
13. Haven
Tracklist Bonus CD / Earbook and Mediabook:
1. End Of Innocence Piano Version
2. Veil of Elysium Acoustic Version
3. Fallen Star Orchestral Version
4. Here's To The Fall Orchestral Version
5. My Therapy Orchestral Version
6. Fallen Star Instrumental
7. Insomnia Instrumental
8. Citizen Zero Instrumental
9. Veil of Elysium Instrumental
10. Under Grey Skies Instrumental
11. My Therapy Instrumental
12. End of Innocence Instrumental
13. Beautiful Apocalypse Instrumental
14. Liar Liar (Wasteland Monarchy) Instrumental
15. Revolution Instrumental
Produced by acclaimed music producer Sascha Paeth and mastered by Jacob Hansen, HAVEN is a massive album that is sure to please critics and fans alike. Additional guests include Alissa White-Gluz (Arch Enemy), Troy Donockley (Nightwish) and Charlotte Wessels (Delain). Artwork is by Stefan Heilemann, with additional art/layout from Gustavo Sazes.
Following the release of HAVEN, Kamelot will embarque on a massive WORLD TOUR, starting with North America in April/May 2015 followed by European shows in the Summer 2015 and with The Haven European Tour in September/October 2015 the band will return to Europe for their biggest headliner tour to date. Check out www.kamelot.com/site/tour for ticket info!
I like the list of guests :metal
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Not sure if I like the title and the artwork, but as long as music is good, I don't really care.
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STOKED.
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Great artwork, can't wait!!
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Artwork looks okay, Haven is a simple but effective title.
I like that we are getting a piano version and acoustic version as bonus, Tommy is perfect for that kind of material (Roy was too, for that matter).
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Artwork looks okay, Haven is a simple but effective title.
I like that we are getting a piano version and acoustic version as bonus, Tommy is perfect for that kind of material (Roy was too, for that matter).
Agreed, those guys are both (and Kamelot as a band) are great at the ballads and softer songs.
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I can't see the artwork. I hope this is better than the last one.
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I can't see the artwork. I hope this is better than the last one.
Silverthorn is better than both albums before it, but yeah, I can only really hope this album is good.
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I can't see the artwork. I hope this is better than the last one.
Silverthorn is better than both albums before it, but yeah, I can only really hope this album is good.
Not for me. Ghost Opera had its moments and I really grew to like Poetry quite a bit.
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After about the forth or fifth song, Ghost Opera gets really boring. I can't get into Poetry for the Poisoned at all.
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Silverthorn was the best since The Black Halo IMO. Both GO and PftP had good songs, but not solid albums (although GO > PftP).
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Silverthorn was the best since The Black Halo IMO. Both GO and PftP had good songs, but not solid albums (although GO > PftP).
Agree with this, 100% In fact, I think if you take all of the good tracks from Ghost Opera and Poetry for the Poisoned you'd have one pretty killer album. They could call it "Ghost Poetry for the Poisoned Opera"
:corn
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hmm, that does sound pretty awesome so here we go with my tracklist for such an album:
1. The Great Pandemonium
2. If Tomorrow Came
3. Ghost Opera
4. House on a Hill
5. Rule the World
6. The Human Stain
7. Season's End
8. Hunter's Season
9. Love You To Death
10. Once Upon A Time
11. Silence of the Darkness
12. Pendulous Fall
13. EdenEcho
Cheated a tad with using some of the B-sides, but dammit those songs are good!
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Silverthorn was the best since The Black Halo IMO. Both GO and PftP had good songs, but not solid albums (although GO > PftP).
Really not saying much. Even Silverthorn was OK. Better than those other two, but as was mentioned, outside of 2 or 3 songs on each they were pretty much useless. I'm sad I wasn't a big fan back in their golden days, as now every time they tour my response is typically meh.
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They are very good live though, my only complaint with the live show is they seem to play mostly songs from TBH and GO and don't spread the love around enough. Karma and Epica songs need to be played more as well as more from Silverthorn.
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They are very good live though, my only complaint with the live show is they seem to play mostly songs from TBH and GO and don't spread the love around enough. Karma and Epica songs need to be played more as well as more from Silverthorn.
This. Also, a tad bit off-topic, but I just realized that Tommy will have officially released two Kamelot albums in the time we've all spent waiting for the next Seventh Wonder album.
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They are very good live though, my only complaint with the live show is they seem to play mostly songs from TBH and GO and don't spread the love around enough. Karma and Epica songs need to be played more as well as more from Silverthorn.
This. Also, a tad bit off-topic, but I just realized that Tommy will have officially released two Kamelot albums in the time we've all spent waiting for the next Seventh Wonder album.
Indeed. My theory is that they want to lift on the new Kamelot album hype a bit to give the album more attention. At least I hope so. And there is that live recording as well.
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They are very good live though, my only complaint with the live show is they seem to play mostly songs from TBH and GO and don't spread the love around enough. Karma and Epica songs need to be played more as well as more from Silverthorn.
This. Also, a tad bit off-topic, but I just realized that Tommy will have officially released two Kamelot albums in the time we've all spent waiting for the next Seventh Wonder album.
Indeed. My theory is that they want to lift on the new Kamelot album hype a bit to give the album more attention. At least I hope so. And there is that live recording as well.
What live recording? And it seems like 7th Wonder could have released their album way before the new Kamelot considering the single was released like 8 months ago. If Seventh Wonder is waiting on Kamelot, they are going to be waiting a really long time since Kamelot is going to be touring a lot I think.
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They are very good live though, my only complaint with the live show is they seem to play mostly songs from TBH and GO and don't spread the love around enough. Karma and Epica songs need to be played more as well as more from Silverthorn.
This. Also, a tad bit off-topic, but I just realized that Tommy will have officially released two Kamelot albums in the time we've all spent waiting for the next Seventh Wonder album.
Indeed. My theory is that they want to lift on the new Kamelot album hype a bit to give the album more attention. At least I hope so. And there is that live recording as well.
What live recording? And it seems like 7th Wonder could have released their album way before the new Kamelot considering the single was released like 8 months ago. If Seventh Wonder is waiting on Kamelot, they are going to be waiting a really long time since Kamelot is going to be touring a lot I think.
Yeah, the single timing was unfortunate, but I guess they wanted to show they are still making new stuff after Tommy joined Kamelot. Seventh Wonder has an upcoming live DVD from their progpower USA performance (no date or state of production mentioned though, but we know they recorded and a producer of the DVD was announced).
I actually expect (or hope) that they will be active when Kamelot is touring. Just speculation, but considering they already released the single and all, I kind of expect that the album is in a far stage already. And with Tommy travelling around the world and a recent Kamelot album, there is at least a bit word of mouth that brings Seventh Wonder to the world. I'm not expecting the band to ever tour extensively to be honest.
I mean, Damian Wilson sings for Threshold, Headspace, Maiden United and his own singer songwriter stuff and tours for all of them. It is not unheard of.
But this is just me trying to make sense of it all with positive thinking. Maybe it is just one of those albums that takes forever to finish.
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Maybe. No one knows, but my best guess is they were close to finishing and they released the video thinking the album was ready to come out and then something happened that delayed it which then cause it to be bad timing with Kamelot. Totally guessing on that, but from the timeline it seems possible I think.
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Maybe. No one knows, but my best guess is they were close to finishing and they released the video thinking the album was ready to come out and then something happened that delayed it which then cause it to be bad timing with Kamelot. Totally guessing on that, but from the timeline it seems possible I think.
Maybe. I do have another theory to offer though: I can't remember when the single came out, but I do know that Andreas (bassist/band leader) and his wife actually just had a newborn daughter last week (coincidentally, it was apparently on my birthday). It could be that Andreas decided to put the album on hold while he and his wife worked their way through her pregnancy and wanted to focus on his family for now.
That said, Kamelot actually just posted a rather hefty sample of a new song on Facebook/YouTube earlier today! It sounds pretty fantastic too, if I may say so myself. Definitely seems to be more guitar-driven than Silverthorn, with a rather notable King Diamond influence showing in the instrumental work. Tommy sounds terrific too, though he's definitely got his Khan on. :biggrin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmK3dPq7-pM
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Yea, nice little sound clip there at the end. Not much to form a strong opinion on but it did sound like it has good potential. :metal
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Pre-orders are up on Amazon
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I think I'll settle on 2CD mediabook for this one, will place my preorder on the weekend.
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Hrmm there are some really cool versions on napalm
https://www.napalmrecordsamerica.com/store/kamelot-haven-limited-edition-wooden-box.html
https://www.napalmrecordsamerica.com/store/kamelot-haven-limited-edition-earbook-2cd.html not sure what an earbook is compared to a media book? Is that just the bigger book some are doing now?
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https://www.napalmrecordsamerica.com/store/kamelot-haven-limited-edition-earbook-2cd.html not sure what an earbook is compared to a media book? Is that just the bigger book some are doing now?
Yeah, earbook is bigger and the artwork inside is usually more detailed and intricate. Here's the pic I posted in Blind Guardian thread (earbook to the left, mediabook - or, in this case, digipack - to the right):
https://i.imgur.com/lxxEeOr.jpg
It may also contain some extensive details to the concept, if there's any to this album.
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https://www.napalmrecordsamerica.com/store/kamelot-haven-limited-edition-earbook-2cd.html not sure what an earbook is compared to a media book? Is that just the bigger book some are doing now?
Yeah, earbook is bigger and the artwork inside is usually more detailed and intricate. Here's the pic I posted in Blind Guardian thread (earbook to the left, mediabook - or, in this case, digipack - to the right):
https://i.imgur.com/lxxEeOr.jpg
It may also contain some extensive details to the concept, if there's any to this album.
Yeah I figured that was it. Like the DT12 and Transatlantic 'deluxe' editions last year.
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Wooden box deluxe set is sold out. I had one in my cart thinking about it, and they're gone.
doh
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Huh, that was fast indeed.
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Huh, that was fast indeed.
they have more.... I just got one
https://www.napalmrecordsamerica.com/store/kamelot-haven-limited-edition-wooden-box.html
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Silverthorn had that extra booklet for it's story that I missed out on due to buying the vinyl. But I scored it for 5 euro's at their merchandise stand later on.
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Pre-ordered the wooden box. Finally I'm going to be able to get something like this. I sure hope the album is good :lol
I still want the Plagues of Babylon box set from Iced Earth, but it appears to be sold out.
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Pre-ordered the wooden box. Finally I'm going to be able to get something like this. I sure hope the album is good :lol
I still want the Plagues of Babylon box set from Iced Earth, but it appears to be sold out.
Maybe try looking at Discogs.com? I just check over and they have like 10 items available of the limited edition and it does really look sweet!
I'm so glad that Kamelot are returning this year :metal the cover/track list sound promising and I hope the album have a Black Halo feeling to it.
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Pre-ordered the wooden box. Finally I'm going to be able to get something like this. I sure hope the album is good :lol
I still want the Plagues of Babylon box set from Iced Earth, but it appears to be sold out.
Maybe try looking at Discogs.com? I just check over and they have like 10 items available of the limited edition and it does really look sweet!
I'm so glad that Kamelot are returning this year :metal the cover/track list sound promising and I hope the album have a Black Halo feeling to it.
Creepy. I just did that a little while ago. I have one in my basket. It would be like $55 I think, which is significantly cheaper than if I ordered from Century Media Germany. They charge like $40 for shipping, meanwhile the US site charges $5.
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Well, it looks like we have our first interview on Haven! Thomas Youngblood describes it as a blend of Fourth Legacy, Black Halo and new elements. :hefdaddy
https://www.facebook.com/notes/kamelot/new-interview-with-thomas-youngblood/10152856091958003
- Hi Thomas! Thank you for according this interview, all of us fans are so excited about the upcoming album and tour. Pre-orders for HAVEN have just opened - all editions are beautiful! Kamelot always put so much care into their albums. Silverthorn editions already looked outstanding, but the HAVEN packages top it all again.
TY- Thanks! Our fans deserve the best. Stefan Heilemann did another killer cover and along with Gustavo Sazes the packaging and art is our best ever. It's also great having presales, it really helps planning tours. Booking agents look at charts and go straight to the first week sales. So they are very important.
- HAVEN is the second album with Tommy, which also means second album with this composing team. How did it go?
It went great! The chemistry we have and working with Oliver and Tommy is really very natural and organic. Tommy had already written some musical ideas and he and Sascha worked a lot together again. Parts were written in Germany with Oliver, others in with Tommy and Sascha. Also our good friend Bob Katsionis co-wrote some songs along one song with Angie Arsenault from Montreal. Tommy and Oliver used VST Connect [a program which allows artists to work together via the internet, from their respective studios] to work on songs, one in Germany the other in Sweden. Really cool.
- Did Tommy get involved in this second album's composition process as much as (or more than) in Silverthorn?
Yes, he wrote tons of melodies, most of the lyrics and more. He got an ESP guitar last year and so I am getting some TommyRiffs now ;) We have one song idea that I thought was killer but didn't get to record it. So I expect it to be on the next album.
- The vocal snippets we could hear from the videos sound amazing. Actually everything from the snippets sounds amazing! How's the new album going to differ from the two previous albums, PFTP and Silverthorn, and why?
Well, we wanted to make an album with super diversity, dark, heavy and emotional and uplifting. I would urge fans to listen to the album from start to finish. There is a ton of information to absorb and you will not get all of it in one listen. I don't like comparing to other albums, it has its own soul so to speak. One thing I can say, it's full of melody and some really beautiful lyrics. We did some experimental things on a song or two with the new release. But don't worry, no dubstep will be present!!!
- How would you describe Haven? How has the band's sound evolved on this album?
We have some new elements that will please even the hardest Kamelot fan. We've worked like crazy on every element of the songs and album. My personal opinion is that the new album is a mix of modern, Fourth Legacy and Black Haloish. The guitar is a bit more present in the mix and we have some prog elements here and there. Really a big mix of Kamelot this time. You can't play one song and base the whole album on it, it's really diverse. Also, the ballad with Charlotte from Delain and Troy from Nightwish is a real killer. I hope we make a video of this one at some point.
- Haven... Why the title?
Haven was one of the first title options that popped up. We wanted an album for fans to get lost in, a place to go and feel safe and also relate to their own life scenarios. Once they listen and read the lyrics it will be clear as to what I am referencing. I had some Haven's in my early life, albums that I would listen to at night and forget about my "not so happy" childhood. In hindsight those records probably saved me. I hope Haven has even a fraction of the impact those albums did on me.
- Guests on this album are Alissa White-Gluz (Arch Enemy), Charlotte Wessels (Delain) and Troy Donockley (Nightwish). Can you tell us more about these collaborations?
Well let me start with Alissa White-Gluz. She toured with us for a while and I remember to the day seeing her with her previous band and thinking, "This girl is amazing, she will and should be more known". After getting the call from Arch Enemy, noone was happier or prouder than me. Anyway, we had some songs that fit her style perfect and she graciously accepted the invite. We toured with Delain a few times and I always felt like Charlotte had a unique and special voice, so when the song "Under Grey Skies" was written I asked her to join in, and she sounds awesome! Then there is Troy Donockley, this is one special and cool human. He has many skills that most people are not aware of, I am sworn to secrecy but we toured with Nightwish and I would see him occasionally watching the Kamelot set from side stage. When the idea came up for a folk style instrument I contacted Troy, and he offered his part on the Overton Low Whistle. One of the best Kamelot ballads in recent times is Under Grey Skies.
- Will we get a Single release prior to the new album?
We will be releasing a first video and possibly a digital single. We plan several videos on this release!
There's more to the interview, but the rest deals with touring and the eventual release of that live DVD. I'm really excited for this album! :metal
I actually really like the idea of going back to some more Fourth Legacy-ish influences, considering how Tommy's voice is naturally higher pitched than Roy's was in the later, better known albums. This could allow for the album to be a bit better suited for Tommy's upper range, while also dabbling about with the darker sounds that the band became known for with The Black Halo. :tup
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Thanks for sharing... previously in this thread I complained about Kamelots setlists and this was nice to hear:
- So everybody's wondering - How many songs from Haven will you play on this next World Tour? Any big changes to expect in the setlist?
Yes, we will be adding some new songs from the new album, also from Silverthorn as well as some songs from the backcatalog either never played or rarely played.
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Thanks for sharing... previously in this thread I complained about Kamelots setlists and this was nice to hear:
- So everybody's wondering - How many songs from Haven will you play on this next World Tour? Any big changes to expect in the setlist?
Yes, we will be adding some new songs from the new album, also from Silverthorn as well as some songs from the backcatalog either never played or rarely played.
Yeah, that really makes me happy too. It's high time that the band starts mixing it up more with their setlists.
If only Alter Bridge could learn that lesson too... :censored :justjen
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Apparently they played a new track "Veil of Elysium" last night
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/kamelot/2015/o2-academy-islington-london-england-4bcbdbce.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/kamelot/2015/o2-academy-islington-london-england-4bcbdbce.html)
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Apparently they played a new track "Veil of Elysium" last night
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/kamelot/2015/o2-academy-islington-london-england-4bcbdbce.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/kamelot/2015/o2-academy-islington-london-england-4bcbdbce.html)
I'm not too shocked to hear that. They played Sacrimony well before the release of Silverthorn and played Song for Jolee once or twice before the album release too. My main concern is now trying to find a bootleg of the song! :lol
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Am I a terrible person for completely not giving a fuck about the band after Khan's departure? I checked out the album they did without him and to me it sounded like they just wrote the same music and told him to try and sound as Khan as much as he can. Which was the disappointing part, it was the perfect time to reinvent their style and change things up with a new singer.
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Some bands like their sound and want to stick with it. Besides, they did change their sound a bit with Ghost Opera and Poetry, and they stunk. I'm fine with Tommy doing the Khan. It's sure as hell better than Stu Block's Barlow.
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Some bands like their sound and want to stick with it. Besides, they did change their sound a bit with Ghost Opera and Poetry, and they stunk. I'm fine with Tommy doing the Khan. It's sure as hell better than Stu Block's Barlow.
That is very true. It's just a bit of a shame, considering how incredible Tommy is when he's singing in his own style too. However Haven is supposedly going to be a bit more experimental and also sound like a blend of Fourth Legacy and Black Halo. If that's the case, we might get to hear Tommy sing more in his upper register. *shrug*
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Considering there's not much difference between the old and new, I also couldn't care less Khan isn't in the band anymore. It's the music that counts, and Poetry is by far the worst album. (with Roy sounding way, way off)
I think it was time for a change. Tommy was the next best thing.
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Samples:
https://www.amazon.co.jp/Haven-Deluxe-Edition-Kamelot/dp/B00URTJV5E
Damn, I'm so fucking excited for this album.
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Cool, clips sound good!
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Pretty zzz clips. Oh well.
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Cool! Looking forward to this very much ;D
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Fantastic samples. Can't wait!
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A mate of mine who has reviewed the album, tells me that it is the best Kamelot album ever and he has been a fan since the first album. Tommy is his own man and no Khan impersonations either. Can't wait.
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A mate of mine who has reviewed the album, tells me that it is the best Kamelot album ever and he has been a fan since the first album. Tommy is his own man and no Khan impersonations either. Can't wait.
Cool, that sounds awesome. I thought from the clips, the album and Tommy sounded like there was a lot of potential, but they are just clips so its hard to make anything of it.
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A mate of mine who has reviewed the album, tells me that it is the best Kamelot album ever and he has been a fan since the first album. Tommy is his own man and no Khan impersonations either. Can't wait.
The song teaser they released back when preorders opened up still sounds like Tommy was doing Khan impersonations to me.
"Insomnia" on the amazon.co.jp link still sounds very Khan-ish to me.
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TommyKhan doesn't bother me. The guy from Black Fate is trying way harder to sound like Khan, and sometimes it's quite eerie how similar he sounds.
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TommyKhan doesn't bother me. The guy from Black Fate is trying way harder to sound like Khan, and sometimes it's quite eerie how similar he sounds.
TommyKhan bothers me after hearing Tommy's natural range in Seventh Wonder.
:facepalm:
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TommyKhan doesn't bother me. The guy from Black Fate is trying way harder to sound like Khan, and sometimes it's quite eerie how similar he sounds.
TommyKhan bothers me after hearing Tommy's natural range in Second Nature.
What is Second Nature? Another band?
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What is Second Nature? Another band?
Aww hell. I was typing and talking to someone else at the same time.
Seventh Wonder.
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Ah, I see.
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Wow I read that before and read it as seventh wonder the first time (before Zook questioned it). The mind is an amazing thing since I had known what you meant even though I didn't even pick up the obviously wrong words.
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I was searching for possible guest appearances. Looking on Flying Colors' Wiki page and whatnot...
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I was searching for possible guest appearances. Looking on Flying Colors' Wiki page and whatnot...
Lol. That woulda been cool.
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Here is the actual review, you can find a decent translation
https://www.imperiumi.net/index.php?act=albums&id=15884
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Yeah, I definitely noticed some Khan impersonations in the samples. Not that it's a bad thing, I love how dark Tommy sounded on Silverthorn sometimes.
By the way, if you guys want to participate in upcoming Kamelot survivor, please vote in the poll (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43455.0) I've created in Polls / Survivors section. ;)
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"Veil of Elysium" is out to buy. Love it!
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"Veil of Elysium" is out to buy. Love it!
Just had a listen myself and , although it sounds great ,the song to me was pretty average power metal. I'ma big fan of their classic few albums but haven't been too fussed about much from Poetry onward.
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While Tommy is great, this single is a pretty much a standard Kamelot song but with vocal melodies that aren't as catchy. I need more listens before I can say much more, but that is my initial feeling.
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While Tommy is great, this single is a pretty much a standard Kamelot song but with vocal melodies that aren't as catchy. I need more listens before I can say much more, but that is my initial feeling.
After three listens I think I agree with that. The song ranges from average to good in some moments. I like it, but I expect more from this album.
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Agree with Brent. It was your standard Kamelot power metal. The last album didn't do anything for me at all and this one could be heading in the same direction. Seems like Tom's creativity is not what it use to be.
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1.5 minute samples are up on Norwegian Itunes. They sound fantastic!
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Alright, so I've got the promo yesterday and managed to spin the album three times today while working. Be careful, slight spoilers below:
(beginning of spoilers)
I loved Silverthorn when it came out, and I still love it and spin it quite regularly; and after three listens to Haven I think it's weaker than Silverthorn. It's definitely darker and maybe heavier, like a mix between Poetry for the Poisoned and Silverthorn (whoever said the album is in the vein of The Black Halo is dead wrong, in my opinion). It has some great songs, some solid tracks, some mediocre tunes and even one or two numbers I want to skip already (for the record, I like every song on Silverthorn). My biggest problem with their previous album was the lack of good bridges, they mostly felt out of place with those weird vocal melodies and sometimes awkward vocal effects (like at 3:00 on Veil of Elysium lyric video, and that's not even a bridge. But you get the point, I hope.) Well, this didn't go away anywhere, most songs still have them, Insomnia is the good example.
I also don't agree that Tommy doesn't channeling Khan here at all, I think the amount of his Khan-ness is maybe a bit less than on Silverthorn. It's definitely not his SW singing except in a few sparse moments. In fact, if he was more melodic, though in a dark way, on Silverthorn, here his delivery is quite gritty sometimes, like he clenches his teeth in anger and singing. There are enough melodic parts as well though, and sometimes he softens his voice in an unexpected way (think Khan's delivery on So Long part of Poetry for the Poisoned song), which sounds quite great.
The other problem is the mix, though this may be the promo-files quality problem. In some heavier songs it's difficult to hear what Tommy is singing in the choruses due to quite loud instrumentation. Also, there are growls in two songs, which doesn't really help me enjoy them, though with Alissa White-Gluz I should've expected this, really. I really like how she sings one of the choruses clean, but the growls are just not for me.
Unexpectedly, my favourite song from the album so far isn't a ballad, because while both ballads on Haven are quite good, they're nowhere near the greatness of Sailorman's Hymn, Abandoned or Song for Jolee. My favourite song is actually the opener, Fallen Star. Great melodic power metal song with clean singing, great bridge and cool riffs. Also, Veil of Elysium is one of the better songs on the album, in my opinion.
Well, while I don't think the album lived up to my ridiculously high expectations, it could be the case I didn't give it enough chances for now. I'm going to spin it more times indeed, this could easily be a grower. So far my rankings would be:
The Black Halo > Epica > Karma > Silverthorn > The Fourth Legacy > Haven = Ghost Opera > Poetry for the Poisoned > the first three albums
(end of spoilers)
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Well that is slightly dissapointing, but I lowered my expectations after Veil of Elysium came out. That song while enjoyable is nothing to get me pumped and based on what you wrote, there isn't much to bring that excitement back. I will still get it on release day and likely even enjoy it, I just don't think it will end up being as good as the top half of Kamelot albums. I hope I am wrong though.
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Ruslan, save that wisdom for the review man..... :p
I'm not a huge Kamelot fan, but I did give the promos a spin, and enjoyed it thoroughly. Not quite as good as Silverthorn, but a fun album nonetheless.
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Weaker than Silverthorn? That's me done.
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Weaker than Silverthorn? That's me done.
How can you possibly make that judgement? Evermind loved Silverthorn, so if you didn't like it, it logically follows that your opinions and his are different.
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I also loved Silverthorn, but if you didnt then maybe this album is for you! Who knows, but Id say its definitely worth a listen to see.
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Weaker than Silverthorn? That's me done.
How can you possibly make that judgement? Evermind loved Silverthorn, so if you didn't like it, it logically follows that your opinions and his are different.
Relax man, I'm still gonna purchase it out and form my own opinions. I'm certainly not one to judge based on others. That comment threw me a little because I disliked Silverthorn, that's all.
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Ruslan, save that wisdom for the review man..... :p
Still got enough wisdom left for that. :p Besides, I need to spin it more; those were the first impressions only.
I also (finally) ordered the mediabook + pendant bundle that has recently popped up in Napalm Records store.
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Order from Newbury and get a signed booklet.
https://www.newburycomics.com/rel/v2_viewupc.php?storenr=103&upc=103-2104181N
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Well they announced a 2nd US leg of the tour in the fall. They are playing on a Saturday night about 20 minutes from my house! I will be there and I will also see them next week in NYC!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjs78NBNztk
another track
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Glad they've released Insomnia, I quite like this track, and you also can hear that sound-effect-bridge problem I've told you about quite well, starts around 2:35.
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This song is much better than Veil of Elysium.
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Glad they've released Insomnia, I quite like this track, and you also can hear that sound-effect-bridge problem I've told you about quite well, starts around 2:35.
No idea what you're talking about.
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This song is much better than Veil of Elysium.
I really can't decide which one I like more. Veil of Elysium is much better in the context of the album than a standalone single, I'd say.
Glad they've released Insomnia, I quite like this track, and you also can hear that sound-effect-bridge problem I've told you about quite well, starts around 2:35.
No idea what you're talking about.
Well, I found a lot of bridges on Silverthorn a bit awkward, and sometimes it sounded like some sound effects were used on Tommy's voice (for example, My Confession, the lines "Somebody hides inside my mind, we're bound together; soulmate or enemy, alone in my religion"), and that was the only thing I disliked on Silverthorn. And this album kind of has the same problem for me, the vocals on 2:35 of Insomnia are very much alike those on My Confession. Veil of Elysium lyric video has the same kind of vocals at ~3:00 ("One day we'll meet" part). All these parts seriously take away my enjoyment from the songs.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjs78NBNztk
another track
Damn, been taken down.
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Sounds like typical Kamelot. Not bad though.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjs78NBNztk
another track
Damn, been taken down.
Glad I got a listen to it before it was. Figured it would be as it was some weird user, not official. I too liked it way better than Veil of Elysium. Very much looking forward to this album.
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Glad to hear it's better than the first song.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvUeqRwWorM
new video link
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Cool video too.
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Sounds like typical Kamelot. Not bad though.
Pretty much. Better than the first song though.
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I really like the video and to me, Insomnia is a lot better than Veil of Elysium although that song is growing on me. I wonder if they will play any other new songs live when I see them on Wednesday.
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Awesome concert tonight in NYC! Such a small venue so it felt so up close and personal. This was my third time seeing them (all with Tommy on voacals, I had tickets to see them two weeks before Khan quit) and I had seen them play every song besides the 3 new ones so while that was not exciting, they still were amazing and I had an awesome time. I got a bunch of video clips, but I also got the entire new song Revolution (minus the first like 15 seconds)
https://youtu.be/__FcEdwVwUw (https://youtu.be/__FcEdwVwUw)
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Got my wooden box in today. It's purdy.
This will be the first time listening to an album without hearing a leak first in many years.
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Got my wooden box in today. It's purdy.
This will be the first time listening to an album without hearing a leak first in many years.
Im surprised there has been no leak yet (at least to my knowledge), but my youtube video of the new song Revolution got pulled off by request of KMI entertainment. They must be on top of this.
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Got my wooden box in today. It's purdy.
This will be the first time listening to an album without hearing a leak first in many years.
Im surprised there has been no leak yet (at least to my knowledge), but my youtube video of the new song Revolution got pulled off by request of KMI entertainment. They must be on top of this.
That's actually really good to see.
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Yea, I totally respect that. I would like to re-upload my video once the album comes out cause it came out really well, but I do not wish to get into legal trouble. Also, I noticed there is not a single video from the NYC show on youtube, I find that odd. Plenty of people were filming and Tommy even grabbed someones camera and filmed himself singing with it and then handed it back (I have this filmed on my camera and its awesome). So clearly the band didn't have a problem with people using their cameras during the show.
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That makes the Geoff Tate debacle that much funnier. "it slipped out of my hand" :facepalm:
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Got my wooden box in today. It's purdy.
This will be the first time listening to an album without hearing a leak first in many years.
Im surprised there has been no leak yet (at least to my knowledge), but my youtube video of the new song Revolution got pulled off by request of KMI entertainment. They must be on top of this.
It has leaked, it's on many blogs already and torrent sites.
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That makes the Geoff Tate debacle that much funnier. "it slipped out of my hand" :facepalm:
No no, it was something like he took the picture, threw it back to the guy but he missed cause of the lights or some shit. :lol
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Haven is great but I'm not feeling it quite as much as Silverthorn. Still one of the best releases of the year so far.
Highlights: Fallen Star, Insomnia, Veil of Elysium, Beautiful Apocalypse, Revolution
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Haven is great but I'm not feeling it quite as much as Silverthorn. Still one of the best releases of the year so far.
Highlights: Fallen Star, Insomnia, Veil of Elysium, Beautiful Apocalypse, Revolution
The last two tracks you mentioned are my least favourite songs from the album. Tastes and all that. :lol
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The new album is pretty good, but not quite as good as Silverthorn. I'd have to give it some more listens to really decide.
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These opinions scare me. Mainly because Silverthorn did nothing for me at all.
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How many spins did you give it?
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How many spins did you give it?
About 3, maybe 4. I might give it another one before I pick up Haven.
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Nothing they do will ever come close to matching TFL, Karma, Epica or TBH, but Silverthorn is miles better than both Ghost Opera and PFTP.
They can still prove me wrong, but the magic of old is sort of lost on them.
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I'd take both GO and PFTP over Silverthorn. But saying that, my tastes have changed a bit over the last couple of years, so it could just be that I'm not as into them as I use to be. I'll give it another spin though.
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I'd take both GO and PFTP over Silverthorn. But saying that, my tastes have changed a bit over the last couple of years, so it could just be that I'm not as into them as I use to be. I'll give it another spin though.
I don't think it's you. I came across to Kamelot with Khan - I was a huge fan of Conception when they gave it away. And I thought Siege Perilous was awful and so I just wrote them off.
It was only many years later that I realised what I had missed with the albums Zook quoted. Now if I came along right now and Haven was my first listen since Siege Perilous then I would feel quite okay with my decision to not bother. It's competent but nothing about it is special IMHO.
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And by the way ............if anyone wants me to make their next album sound like ass then I'm prepared to negotiate a better rate than whoever is producing/mastering all these recent releases.
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I'd take both GO and PFTP over Silverthorn. But saying that, my tastes have changed a bit over the last couple of years, so it could just be that I'm not as into them as I use to be. I'll give it another spin though.
I don't think it's you. I came across to Kamelot with Khan - I was a huge fan of Conception when they gave it away. And I thought Siege Perilous was awful and so I just wrote them off.
It was only many years later that I realised what I had missed with the albums Zook quoted. Now if I came along right now and Haven was my first listen since Siege Perilous then I would feel quite okay with my decision to not bother. It's competent but nothing about it is special IMHO.
I guess you're right. GO and PFTP were definitely a step down from the four before it, and Silverthorn was another step down that just lost my interest. I like Tommy though, I think Tom has just become stale and ran out of ideas.
I started with TFL too and I think followed them since Epica. I missed the first few albums until much later on, so it didn't affect my opinion at all. I'd take Eternity and Dominion over SP.
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And by the way ............if anyone wants me to make their next album sound like ass then I'm prepared to negotiate a better rate than whoever is producing/mastering all these recent releases.
Fucking this. What's going on hey. I feel I could make some records sound better through my line in in my sound card. :lol
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I'm listening to Silverthorn again and no real change. It just doesn't hold me attention, I keep drifting and nothing here I find interesting at all, except Sacrimony really. maybe I need to listen to the songs singulary and break the album up.
Hopefully the new one can excite me more.
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Love it so far.
I loved Silverthorn and thought it was really consistent in terms of quality, but a lot of the songs felt a bit similar (so I did not listen to the whole very often, but kept revisiting individual pieces). This album has a few more parts I like less, but does offer more variety I feel. Tommy sounds even more like Kahn at times, but also less in other parts, which also adds a lot to the variety.
Also, I think the piano version of End of Innocence works really well. Veil of Elysium acoustic is a very nice bonus as well. These versions are of the ballad type rendition.
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So I really like this album. Tommy really shines, but he still has his Khan moments, but there is a lot more of Tommy being Tommy.
I like the intro a lot, Fallen Star, it's new for Kamelot to open with a soft spot and a legit song, not some symphonic instrumental opener. It's also a really good song. Insomnia is a really good song IMO, I love the video too. It was also amazing live. Then you get to the meat of the album which is all very solid, but what stands out to me after my first bunch of listens is Beautiful Apocalypse followed by Liar Liar. Those two songs kind of show the two sides of the album, the newer melodic not as symphonic/power metal song and then the standard power metal song and both are done very well.
Also, another album with solid guest contributions :tup
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I would've preferred a different guest singer than Charlotte though. She has a great voice and all, but in Under Gey Skies I think a warmer tone/voice would've worked better and would fit more next to Tommy's vocals. This is offcourse very subjective and her performance is great regardless, but for some reason I miss a bit of a spark during her lines.
Fully agree with the rest of your comments though, and I look forward to the liveshow I am attending.
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I really like Charlotte as well and she has such a unique voice. I can see what you are saying though and I agree a bit, I think he first lines sound a bit odd but once she sings with Tommy, I very much enjoy that.
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After a couple more listens, I'm thinking Haven is better than Silverthorn. The songs seem more complete.
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Haven is pretty damn good.
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After a couple more listens, I'm thinking Haven is better than Silverthorn. The songs seem more complete.
Haven is also more original. Silverthorn while I liked it, was very similar to the Black Halo, Haven has a lot more new sides to Kamelot and allows Tommy to be more like Tommy. I'm really digging this album
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I dunno, I'm still underwhelmed by it. I'm really enjoying Fallen Star - My Therapy run, but starting with End of Innocence this album loses me. Don't get me wrong, it's good, but it's definitely not better than Silverthorn in my book.
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I dunno, I'm still underwhelmed by it. I'm really enjoying Fallen Star - My Therapy run, but starting with End of Innocence this album loses me. Don't get me wrong, it's good, but it's definitely not better than Silverthorn in my book.
This is pretty much where I'm at at this point (3 spins). Underwhemling, but still very good music. Hopefully it will grow on me... but as it stands, currently my least favorite of the Post SP albums.
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And grow on me it has. Favorites at this point are Liar Liar and Citizen Zero, driven by their absolutely incredible choruses.
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And grow on me it has. Favorites at this point are Liar Liar and Citizen Zero, driven by their absolutely incredible choruses.
Agreed on both songs and their choruses. :tup :metal
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And grow on me it has. Favorites at this point are Liar Liar and Citizen Zero, driven by their absolutely incredible choruses.
Agreed on both songs and their choruses. :tup :metal
That Hounds of Hell bit is just so fn nasty! :metal
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And grow on me it has. Favorites at this point are Liar Liar and Citizen Zero, driven by their absolutely incredible choruses.
Agreed on both songs and their choruses. :tup :metal
That Hounds of Hell bit is just so fn nasty! :metal
it really is, and its got such a cool feel to it. My first spin of the album and that chorus really stuck out to me.
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And grow on me it has. Favorites at this point are Liar Liar and Citizen Zero, driven by their absolutely incredible choruses.
Agreed on both songs and their choruses. :tup :metal
That Hounds of Hell bit is just so fn nasty! :metal
it really is, and its got such a cool feel to it. My first spin of the album and that chorus really stuck out to me.
Of course... today, I finally read the lyrics and see that it's "The Hounds are out..." oh well.. still bad ass.
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You know, my mediabook is still shipping somewhere and promo files didn't include lyrics booklet, so I thought it was "When the house of all..." :lol
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I thought "when the hounds are all"
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I also struggled to understand the line about sickness. I'm fairly sure now it goes "my sickness is released", but I couldn't hear the "le" syllable on the first listens at all, so I though it was something like "My sickness is Greece" only without "g". :lol
I'm really awful when it comes to making out the lyrics without booklet.
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Kamelot rocked Austin TX last night. What a great show.
It rained for most of the DragonForce set so me and my buddies hid inside at the bar and then came out just under the ledge to keep dry for Kamelot (which thankfully the rain had subsided by then).
Tommy sounded better this time around than in 2012. I assume it's just because he's now comfortable in his role.
He sure did drop a lot of F bombs between tracks..."raise your f'n hands!" and such...
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He sure did drop a lot of F bombs between tracks..."raise your f'n hands!" and such...
Yeah, that was bothering me a bit the last time I saw them. Not that I mind swearing, but Kamelot always has a bit of a classical "gentlemans" metal vibe going on and it feels out of place, like it was some hard/punk rock banter in between or something. Which was odd considering he (almost) did not swear the show I saw before it. Otherwise I think his stage presence is great and he interacts a lot with the crowd, so in the end it is a minor complaint.
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He sure did drop a lot of F bombs between tracks..."raise your f'n hands!" and such...
Yeah, that was bothering me a bit the last time I saw them. Not that I mind swearing, but Kamelot always has a bit of a classical "gentlemans" metal vibe going on and it feels out of place, like it was some hard/punk rock banter in between or something. Which was odd considering he (almost) did not swear the show I saw before it. Otherwise I think his stage presence is great and he interacts a lot with the crowd, so in the end it is a minor complaint.
I don't remember him doing it in 2012 when they opened for Nightwish.
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He sure did drop a lot of F bombs between tracks..."raise your f'n hands!" and such...
Yeah, that was bothering me a bit the last time I saw them. Not that I mind swearing, but Kamelot always has a bit of a classical "gentlemans" metal vibe going on and it feels out of place, like it was some hard/punk rock banter in between or something. Which was odd considering he (almost) did not swear the show I saw before it. Otherwise I think his stage presence is great and he interacts a lot with the crowd, so in the end it is a minor complaint.
I don't remember him doing it in 2012 when they opened for Nightwish.
I dont remember him talking at all when they opened for Nightwish. I cant say I care if someone curses during a concert, its fairly normal IMO.
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He sure did drop a lot of F bombs between tracks..."raise your f'n hands!" and such...
Yeah, that was bothering me a bit the last time I saw them. Not that I mind swearing, but Kamelot always has a bit of a classical "gentlemans" metal vibe going on and it feels out of place, like it was some hard/punk rock banter in between or something. Which was odd considering he (almost) did not swear the show I saw before it. Otherwise I think his stage presence is great and he interacts a lot with the crowd, so in the end it is a minor complaint.
I don't remember him doing it in 2012 when they opened for Nightwish.
I dont remember him talking at all when they opened for Nightwish. I cant say I care if someone curses during a concert, its fairly normal IMO.
I generally don't either, but as said above Kamelot seems to have a more "gentlmans" metal type thing going for them.. at least in theory I guess. hah
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Im not even sure what that means lol What makes them gentleman? I have met Thomas Youngblood before, he seemed very nice.
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I always though it was quite normal for band to say things like "you guys fuckin' rule" and stuff. For some reason dropping f-bombs gets the crowd more pumped. Kamelot may not fall into the Cheesy Power Metal category, but I never saw them as more gentlemen like or classier.
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They care enough to throw on black shirts and comb their hair/trim beards, that's enough to at least look like a distinguished metal gentleman at a show :lol
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I always though it was quite normal for band to say things like "you guys fuckin' rule" and stuff. For some reason dropping f-bombs gets the crowd more pumped. Kamelot may not fall into the Cheesy Power Metal category, but I never saw them as more gentlemen like or classier.
They just don't seem like the type to throw out curse words. *shrug*
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I always though it was quite normal for band to say things like "you guys fuckin' rule" and stuff. For some reason dropping f-bombs gets the crowd more pumped. Kamelot may not fall into the Cheesy Power Metal category, but I never saw them as more gentlemen like or classier.
They just don't seem like the type to throw out curse words. *shrug*
Khan cussed too. It's really not a big deal.
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It is not the fact that there was swearing, which I do not mind at all really, but that is not what I regard an f-bomb. It was just the frequency and timing thereof, and I was not the only one who noticed. No major problem or anything, but I was a bit surprised (given the almost "clean" show I saw before it within the same tour, maybe because they recorded that? :lol).
But hey, f*ck can be a diverse word used for all kinds of communication: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdfwFDZGnUk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdfwFDZGnUk)
Still enjoying the new album btw and it is growing further. With Silverthorn I always kept returning for a few songs in a rotating manner. Thus, I liked about everything but felt listening to it as a whole was a tad repetive. This album paces much better and is more varied. Silverthorn and Haven are not their best albums, but close enough in overall quality to me. Tommy doing "the Khan" sounds natural and great (and since that guy is not even in the industry anymore, I am happy he does this at times). Unlike Stu Block of Iced Earth pulling off Barlow vocals, for example. I actually like Tommy better that Kahn terms of his tone (not talking about the melodies/song quality nor range/technique). Also, in SW I sometimes feel Tommy goes a tad overboard. To me Haven is his most balanced and rounded performance so far.
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Yea, I am still really digging Haven. Fallen Star is such an awesome intro song and a really different way for them to begin an album :metal
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Yea, I am still really digging Haven. Fallen Star is such an awesome intro song and a really different way for them to begin an album :metal
I'm still not digging the whole album, but man, I totally agree about Fallen Star. Might be their best song since The Black Halo album (along with Song for Jolee, which is totally amazing too), I just can't get enough of it. :metal
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Haven is a great album, but the production completely neuters it. I was listening to the radio today, and Tool's Aenema was playing, and I came to the realization that the production can be best compared to radio quality. There was no punch on Aenema, yet if I put the song on from my phone, it would sound huge and punchy. Another example would be Nevermore's Enemies of Reality album. The original has zero low end, and it sounds like it's from a distance, yet the remix is totally in your face, and has depth. The bass drum is barely there on Haven unless you really turn it up. It's very unfortunate.
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I finally listened to Haven and I gotta say, it's as boring and average as Silverthorn IMO. Not impressed. This band simply aren't what they use to be, a shame.
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So apparently Haven is one of their most succesful albums to date. And their current tour is their biggest European headlining tour to date. That is an impressive feat at this point, good to see the band is actually growing in some aspects. I love Haven, but there is a serious overload of awesome music this year by nearly all of my favourite bands. So I haven't listened to it that much.
Also, their primary plans are to make a new live DVD now. They now have the legal stuff done right, but don't know how, when or where yet (probably next year). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrZhIRf650M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrZhIRf650M)
I was hoping they would repeat the never released 013 concert (I think that one was due to legal stuff), since they are hyping the upcoming 013 concert as a "special tour finale" on their FB and earlier this year Youngblood said something that roughly translates to "we want to make it our most epic show to date and it would be great if we could record it". But given the most recent interview (see above), I don't expect them to. Still pissed off about 2013 though, I hope we can still get it as a bonus at one point.
I hope he holds his promise on the "most epic" part, as this will be my first concert after being spoiled by the Human Equation theater performance :P They are definitely the right band for that ;D
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I don't put a lot of stock into what Thomas says anymore about "special" shows. I am excited to see them again in November and really enjoy Haven, but their live show is becoming "same old kamelot" for me. They don't change up the set lists AT ALL. They are good and fun live, but I only expect to see one maybe two different songs this time around and that's a shame.
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I don't put a lot of stock into what Thomas says anymore about "special" shows. I am excited to see them again in November and really enjoy Haven, but their live show is becoming "same old kamelot" for me. They don't change up the set lists AT ALL. They are good and fun live, but I only expect to see one maybe two different songs this time around and that's a shame.
Yeah, that is true. They almost always call a show "exclusive". Though the shows I attended indeed felt like special shows in a way.
For a live DVD, I kind of hope they do a bit more "special" stuff. I hope there will be some additional guest musicians (Simone? Charlotte? Troy from Nightwish?), some rarities and an acoustic session. However, even if they just do their regular thing, I will gladly buy it, since we don't have any pro-shot material since Roy left.
I haven't checked out their current setlists, but do think Haven has a few tunes that feel fresh and will stand out live.
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I don't put a lot of stock into what Thomas says anymore about "special" shows. I am excited to see them again in November and really enjoy Haven, but their live show is becoming "same old kamelot" for me. They don't change up the set lists AT ALL. They are good and fun live, but I only expect to see one maybe two different songs this time around and that's a shame.
Yeah, that is true. They almost always call a show "exclusive". Though the shows I attended indeed felt like special shows in a way.
For a live DVD, I kind of hope they do a bit more "special" stuff. I hope there will be some additional guest musicians (Simone? Charlotte? Troy from Nightwish?), some rarities and an acoustic session. However, even if they just do their regular thing, I will gladly buy it, since we don't have any pro-shot material since Roy left.
I haven't checked out their current setlists, but do think Haven has a few tunes that feel fresh and will stand out live.
They've been playing Liar Liar on this leg and also pulled out Heres to the Fall so those are the two new songs I was referring to. Hopefully the old songs get changed out before the 2nd N.A. leg.
If they do record a concert, I would imagine they would have the special guests lined up, but I would love to see Elize make it to a DVD with them and not the current back up female vocalist. She isn't bad, but I see her a notch below the likes of Simone, Elize, or Alyssa and even Charlotte if she ever performs with them.
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A bit late, but the concert was great!
Stage production was cool, with flames and all.
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12115914_10153345928793003_3631641241068895019_n.jpg?oh=f725bcaba4dbd686c293b829f13dbe2a&oe=56B1EBC1)
Tommy was in a truly fantastic shape vocally and his stage presence improved greatly I think. Not that he was bad at that front, far from it, but I think he's gotten a lot better. And regarding the F-bomb discussion here a while back; he actually made a joke about it. He said something along the lines of "I told myself to mind the f-word, but f*ck you guys are great!" So surely more people noticed this last tour, haha. Band was tight and a joy to look at as well. The regular female vocalist (forgot who) did not impress me, however. Apparently the audio guys agreed, since at parts she was kind of drowned in the mix. Elize was good though, nice to have her sing a few songs, though I wondered why they did some parts with tapes, some with Elize and some with the other woman. Felt a bit incohesive compared to their previous shows I attended.
As for the setlist, it was good. A bit more towards the heavy stuff than the previous two shows I attended. Liar Liar and Revolution are great live songs, very epic and powerful. Here's to the Fall was a great performance, but I am just not too impressed with the song itself. Nice to set a mood on the studio album, but as a ballad in a setlist it just doesn't work too well imo. I do think these new songs are quite distinct in their discography and therefore give a fresh feeling to the set. Unlike Veil of Elysium, for example; Good song, but similar to other Kamelot material.
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Thanks for sharing, that concert looked like a lot of fun (I follow Elyze and Kamelot on social media so saw their reactions and pics). I am very jealous of the European metal scene where Kamelot can play a bigger venue and use special guests and have pyros and what not. I will be seeing them in November and its a Saturday night which will be so much fun.
I agree that Here's to the Fall is probably not the best live song, I bet Tommy is great on it, but I would prefer a different ballad live.
I also wasn't crazy about the female vocalist, I believe she is the same lady who toured with them last year in the US, he is from Therion I think. She wasn't bad, just not as good as the past singers who have held that spot.
I still listen to Haven regularly. I really dig the album and wish they would play more of it live.
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Met and Greeted Kamelot last night in Silver Spring, MD. Then took in an incredible show from the front row. This was my fourth time seeing them live, an the first time seeing them with Tommy in the band, and he was outstanding. Pretty killer setlist, even if it hasn't changed much. Had a blast! Dragonforce was fun and energetic as openers.
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Sounds like an awesome experience DoC!
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Awesome! I am going on Saturday which is great because the venue is close to home. Really wish they would do more with the setlist though. This will also be my 4th time seeing them.
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Saturday night was a lot of fun! Not sure what was up, but I managed to spot on social media that Kamelot was not going on until 10:45pm, and in reality they didn't start until 11pm. I think that is the latest for a headliner in a long time that I've gone to concerts. Regardless, they didn't play a short set so that was all cool.
What made this concert really special for me, it was my 4th time seeing Kamelot, was the venue. They played a small club near my house. It's a really awesome spot to see a concert and there is a "secret" I guess you can say, of that there is no real back door to get to the back stage from the stage so the venue sets up a temporary barrier to blockl off the side of the stage for the band to come on/off and use the side door to get to the bathrooom (for public) or backstage for the band. Well my date needed to go to the bathroom after Dragonforce was just finished up and we noticed this set up and while standing there, I managed to shake hands with everyone of Dragonforce as they were getting backstage.
It was like a revelation, I need to chill here. I snapped a picture of some guy next to me (and that was it, like no one else was chilling agains this barrier) with the keyboardist of Dragonforce. I snapped a really awesome pic of them, I am proud of that. Anyway, I chilled in this spot and got to give hi fives to Kamelot right before they came on and then right before they finished the encore, went back to the spot and got hand shakes with everyone of them including telling Tommy I loved him and telling Oliver to "drink that shit" as he walked off stage holding both a beer and a shot in one hand. Kobra also gave some special attention to my date as she walked off saying a few kind words to each other. That made the night so memorable.
As for the performance, it was pretty good but they do not change the sets around enough. Only two different songs from last time seeing them.
And here is my video of March of Mephisto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyPrI_-CSp4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyPrI_-CSp4)
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Thats awesome...
Reminds me of this venue here called The Launchpad. It's a small stage and pretty small but damn it's intimate. The bar is in the front, and in the back is the stage area. The bands have a back door by the stage and thats it. If they need to potty they have to use the one we all use. It's also cool that bands like to hangout at the bar before or after their set. I've met, Protest The Hero, Battlecross, The Contortionist, Animals as Leaders, IWrestledabearonce, and many others.
If only Kamelot could play there, but I doubt it.
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I've been listening to a lot of Kamelot recently, and Prodigal Son is fast avancing to one of my favourite songs of theirs. Everything about that song is just magical.
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I've been listening to a lot of Kamelot recently, and Prodigal Son is fast avancing to one of my favourite songs of theirs. Everything about that song is just magical.
It would be nice if they played some more of these type of songs live. While not my favorite, it certainly is a solid song.
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I've created a central thread for an upcoming Kamelot Survivor. Obviously, I'm hoping to get some of you fans of the band voting in it and discussing the songs along the way.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45539
If you're planning on participating, please head to the thread and kindly answer some questions I've posted there to help me determine how the whole thing will be organized. See you there! :tup
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Alright guys, one more shameless bump and then I'll be out. The Survivor has begun, feel free to participate if you feel like it. All links to the threads are in my signature.
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So I listened to Haven again, and it was a lot better than I remember it being. Tommy does a great job and some songs that I remember leaving me cold previously have clicked for me, like My Therapy, Liar Liar and Revolution (that bridge... goosebumps guaranteed!). The only song that I'm not really a fan of yet is Beautiful Apocalypse, I like the intro but then it just becomes kinda forgettable.
What are your thoughts about Haven after it being out for quite a while now?
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Really liked it when it came out, still really like it now.
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It's okay. Not bad at all, but not really that great. I was really impressed by Silverthorn, and I think they sound a bit uninspired on this album, mostly musically.
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The only song I really don't care for is Revolution. Otherwise it's a great album. I haven't listened to it in a while. Gonna change that.
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The only song I really don't care for is Revolution. Otherwise it's a great album. I haven't listened to it in a while. Gonna change that.
I like that song actually. However, every time he and sexy blue hair girl go back and forth with the word revolution, I wait for Rob Halford to show up and do his REVOLUTIOOONNNNN scream.
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The only song I really don't care for is Revolution. Otherwise it's a great album. I haven't listened to it in a while. Gonna change that.
I like that song actually. However, every time he and sexy blue hair girl go back and forth with the word revolution, I wait for Rob Halford to show up and do his REVOLUTIOOONNNNN scream.
Still haven't learned her name, eh?
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The only song I really don't care for is Revolution. Otherwise it's a great album. I haven't listened to it in a while. Gonna change that.
I like that song actually. However, every time he and sexy blue hair girl go back and forth with the word revolution, I wait for Rob Halford to show up and do his REVOLUTIOOONNNNN scream.
Still haven't learned her name, eh?
Future Mrs. Adami.
See? I learned it.
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The only song I really don't care for is Revolution. Otherwise it's a great album. I haven't listened to it in a while. Gonna change that.
I like that song actually. However, every time he and sexy blue hair girl go back and forth with the word revolution, I wait for Rob Halford to show up and do his REVOLUTIOOONNNNN scream.
Still haven't learned her name, eh?
Future Mrs. Adami.
See? I learned it.
Oh you.
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The only song I really don't care for is Revolution. Otherwise it's a great album. I haven't listened to it in a while. Gonna change that.
I also think that this album is really good, but that Revolution is noticeably weaker than the rest. That song just doesn't quite seem like it knows what it wants to be. It has some good parts but it doesn't completely come together.
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It's okay. Not bad at all, but not really that great. I was really impressed by Silverthorn, and I think they sound a bit uninspired on this album, mostly musically.
This.
Beautiful Apocalypse and Revolution are my least favourite songs here.
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I think I would agree with those two. I think there are a lot of good songs, some decent songs, and Revolution which is pretty weak. Beautiful Apocalypse would definitely fall into the decent category.
It's not like The Black Halo where I feel overwhelmed by great songs that I have no idea how to pick out my favorites, but it definitely holds my attention all the way through and has some stuff I like quite a bit. The first three songs and My Therapy are all really good IMO.
Btw, Evermind, I did get your PM and I do plan to vote in the Epica survivor... just need to listen to at least the interludes again before I vote in round 1.
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The last three tracks on Haven kind of kill it for me. Otherwise I really enjoy it. Even though I'm not a Revolution fan, I do wish to see them make a video for it to finish the trilogy of Insomnia, Liar Liar, and then Revolution with the videos.
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Was one of my top AOTY last year. Not a song on the album that I don't like. Liar Liar is/was so infectious, I think I might have given it the nod as my song of the year.
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Was one of my top AOTY last year. Not a song on the album that I don't like. Liar Liar is/was so infectious, I think I might have given it the nod as my song of the year.
Liar Liar was the standout track for me since day one. However, I hated the video and the shortened version that came with it. Also hate that this shortened version is what they played live when I saw them on this past leg.
Top 3 for me are Liar Liar, Veil & Citizen. Least favorite is Beautiful.... could never get into that one. But all in all, a very solid album that has stood the test of time.
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Saw them live again last week, in Zwolle. They were on fire :metal
This was the fourth time I saw them and the setlist was largely the same as the last time, but I was still pumped, moreso than the last two shows actually. The crowd was great and loud, from front to back, and the band was really enthusiastic and attentive. Not that they weren't the last two times, but this time the vibe was even better. Maybe also because the sound was a lot better than the last two shows. Karevik keeps growing as a front man, and the vocals were, again, fantastic. Not sure if I like the female vocals of Kobra though. She was very low in the mix and didn't convince me. Also, a little surprise with the acoustic version of End of Innocence, which was flawed but a nice present to the Dutch crowd nonetheless. The crowd finally joined in at the last chorus, which was nice. Liar Liar and Revolution work really well live. And I could clearly hear people singing along with Veil of Elysium.
Having Serenity as the opener helped too, I think. I can recommend that band to Kamelot fans. I was pleasantly surprised Serenity did their vocal harmonies live with two singers (male and female) and the whole band singing with them. Great live act. These guys should tour together for a longer period.
Kamelot said they will be here again very soon and I won't hesitate to buy tickets, even knowing the setlist probably won't differ a lot.
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Really cool to hear that. I have the information they're currently trying to book the tour in Russia and I damn well hope they succeed. I could use some Kamelot live shows in my life.
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I'm not a big fan of Kobra's vocals either. She is hot, but her singing is not. She was nice though, shook her hand and she stopped to say some nice words to my female friend and also liked my video on instagram. Also saw they played My Therapy, which is awesome. I really wish they would spice up the setlists more.
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Having Serenity as the opener helped too, I think. I can recommend that band to Kamelot fans. I was pleasantly surprised Serenity did their vocal harmonies live with two singers (male and female) and the whole band singing with them. Great live act. These guys should tour together for a longer period.
Very jelly. Serenity is one of my top-5 new (to me) bands from the past few years.
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new music video for My Therapy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGP13JaM0RU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGP13JaM0RU)
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new music video for My Therapy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGP13JaM0RU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGP13JaM0RU)
Apr 18 isn't exactly new. But it does seem to have low views? was it hidden all this time?
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From Kamelot's facebook 31 minutes ago:
KAMELOT Music Video Premiere For Track My Therapy!
▶ Watch it HERE: https://smarturl.it/MyTherapy-Video
#KAMELOT just returned from some exclusive European and SOLD OUT shows and they are now ready to unleash their brand new music video for the track #MYTHERAPY taken from their latest masterpiece HAVEN (2015, Napalm Records).
KAMELOT's new video My Therapy is intended to shine a spotlight on social anxiety that effects up to 20% of adults worldwide.
KAMELOT vocalist Tommy Karevik adds:
"The original idea of the song was based on experiments done years ago on children where they would be clinically taken care of, but never held, loved or nurtured. The outcome was disastrous and proves that in this sometimes complicated world spinning faster and faster, the very foundation of our health and well being really rests upon something very simple and uncomplicated... The human touch..."
▶ Watch My Therapy HERE: https://smarturl.it/MyTherapy-Video
The latest album Haven sees symphonic metal masters KAMELOT striving for new heights with their epic and highly emotional trademark sound: As if this album was meant to be a soundtrack for an unforgettable and monumental silver screen experience, it boasts dark melancholy, aggressive metal and soul-soothing melodies!
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Being fairly new to Kamelot, 2-3 years, I've been digesting the discography very slowly. In the last 6 months I've really been digging Ghost Opera and Poetry for the Poisoned. I think they are both very good albums. Khan is just a spectacular vocalist.
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Being fairly new to Kamelot, 2-3 years, I've been digesting the discography very slowly. In the last 6 months I've really been digging Ghost Opera and Poetry for the Poisoned. I think they are both very good albums. Khan is just a spectacular vocalist.
Have you made your way back to the Fourth Legacy through to The Black Halo yet? If you like those two you mentioned, you're in for a real treat.
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Being fairly new to Kamelot, 2-3 years, I've been digesting the discography very slowly. In the last 6 months I've really been digging Ghost Opera and Poetry for the Poisoned. I think they are both very good albums. Khan is just a spectacular vocalist.
Have you made your way back to the Fourth Legacy through to The Black Halo yet? If you like those two you mentioned, you're in for a real treat.
Black Halo was my first album...AWESOME!!!!! I have the 4th Legacy. My initial listens....It doesn't really grab hold of me. That being said, Poetry for the Poisened didn't grab me initially either, but know it's got me :)
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I discovered Kamelot in 2000 when my brother, who was in the military at the time, bought online and accidentally had the Fourth Legacy shipped home instead of where he was stationed. Instead of forwarding it to him, I opened it up and listened to it for myself. I was blown away, and was lucky enough to listen to all the albums in order after that one.
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So in my typical fashion, I only got around to listening to Haven recently, and I have to say, it's absolutely fantastic! Tommy sounds amazing, songwriting is good, and I hope Alissa becomes a permanent contributor, because I love her vocals and the way they contrast with Tommy's voice.
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Karma was my first, then I worked backwards. I have to say I enjoyed them more when they were less serious sounding. Khan and Tommy are great singers.
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4/20 I will be there, that's a sick show although they've toured together relatively recently.
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https://www.facebook.com/kamelotofficial/photos/a.125526028002.104540.77696833002/10155468846988003/?type=3&theater
KAMELOT UNVEILS TITLE OF UPCOMING ALBUM,
ANNOUNCE FIRST EUROPEAN SHOWS!
KAMELOT are set to release a brand new masterpiece in 2018 and now the band has unveiled the album’s title: THE SHADOW THEORY.
"The Shadow Theory" is coming this Spring on Napalm Records!
The new album features all the signature elements of KAMELOT and also sees the band step out to add new and industrial elements along while combining amazing emotions that harken to the band's earlier days. KAMELOT’s epic music is chock full of symbolism relating to how the band feels about the world and the current state of civilization. More news and details regarding The Shadow Theory will be made available soon - cover reveal next week!
Following the release of The Shadow Theory, KAMELOT will embarque on a massive World Tour, starting in North America during April/May 2018 followed by European shows in Summer 2018. The band will return to Europe in September/October 2018 for their biggest headliner tour to date.
Today the very first show of the upcoming The Shadow Tour have been announced! Grab your tickets now, as pre-sales are up and running!
KAMELOT NORTH AMERICA 2018
Sp. Guests Delain and Battle Beast
GO TO www.kamelot.com/site/tour or FB event page
Festivals:
12 Jul 2018 Vizovice, CZ @Masters of Rock
08 Aug 2018 Villena, ES @Leyendas del Rock Festival
10 Aug 2018 Derbyshire, UK @Bloodstock Open Air Festival
GO TO www.kamelot.com/site/tour or FB event page
THE SHADOW TOUR 2018
14.09.18 NL – Tilburg / 013 https://bit.ly/ticketsKAMELOTtilburg2018
22.09.18 NO – Oslo / Sentrum Scene https://bit.ly/tixKAMELOToslo2018
more dates to be announced, stay tuned!! *album cover reveal soon!
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Just saw that as well :metal :metal
They also announced this yesterday on facebook
Dear fans,
We're very happy to share that we have an agreement for the next BlueRay/DVD!! Filming will be done on the entire tour throughout North America, Europe, Japan and more, so say hi to the cameras!
I'm pretty excited for the tour coming up in a few months and the album, but I am a bit interested in what they mean by the new industrial elements.
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'Industrial' concerns me. I don't like industrial. I also haven't liked their last two albums. Ghost Opera through Poetry was the peak for me - after Khan left something in the band changed. It's not Tommy, just so I'm clear. Not much on the last 2 have clicked with me. I hope they ditch 'concept' for this album. The last two stories were dull as rocks.
The artwork isn't bad but it's... predictably Kamelot? Dark, with some Victorian elegance, not much color. Yawn.
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'Industrial' concerns me. I don't like industrial. I also haven't liked their last two albums. Ghost Opera through Poetry was the peak for me - after Khan left something in the band changed. It's not Tommy, just so I'm clear. Not much on the last 2 have clicked with me. I hope they ditch 'concept' for this album. The last two stories were dull as rocks.
The artwork isn't bad but it's... predictably Kamelot? Dark, with some Victorian elegance, not much color. Yawn.
That's, like, the opposite to me. :lol Karma through to Black Halo was the peak IMO, Ghost Opera and Poetry good but much weaker, Silverthorn a slight improvement, and then Haven a strong return to form.
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That's, like, the opposite to me. :lol Karma through to Black Halo was the peak IMO, Ghost Opera and Poetry good but much weaker, Silverthorn a slight improvement, and then Haven a strong return to form.
Essentially all of this. But I include The Fourth Legacy in the string of fantastic albums.
I'm too worried about the "industrial" part, I hope it's done well. Apples and oranges but when Alice Cooper went "industrial", he released one of his best albums, Brutal Planet. I hope it's gonna be a similar situation with this one.
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I kind of have a feeling the whole album will be predictably Kamelot at the end of the day. I wonder if Industrial means more of Ghost Opera sounding, or if they are really going to add a new sound. I really love Tommy and the last two albums, but the music has changed since Roy left.
Also, saw they announced one guest vocalist already, Jennifer Haben from Beyond the Black. I'm not familiar with them, gave a listen and they aren't too bad.
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'Industrial' concerns me. I don't like industrial. I also haven't liked their last two albums. Ghost Opera through Poetry was the peak for me - after Khan left something in the band changed. It's not Tommy, just so I'm clear. Not much on the last 2 have clicked with me. I hope they ditch 'concept' for this album. The last two stories were dull as rocks.
The artwork isn't bad but it's... predictably Kamelot? Dark, with some Victorian elegance, not much color. Yawn.
That's, like, the opposite to me. :lol Karma through to Black Halo was the peak IMO, Ghost Opera and Poetry good but much weaker, Silverthorn a slight improvement, and then Haven a strong return to form.
I harp on it a lot but I really think Ghost Opera was where the band hit their stride, and Poetry is where they reached their peak. I feel like they were getting better and better with each album until Khan left, then it all went downhill. (Oliver's side project Sons of Seasons - their second album, Magnisphyricon, I enjoy way more than the last two from Kamelot, although it has its own problems)
That said, I've never seen Kamelot with Roy. I had tickets to for the Poetry tour but then they canceled after Roy left and I saw them later with Fabio, and then three times (I think?) with Tommy. That guy is extraordinary live. Has all the finesse you hear on the records, with even more power. On the first leg of the Haven tour they played Revolution, and it's so buried in the record mix, but live he screamed 'REVOLUTIOOOON!' so loudly and I think that's when I developed a mancrush on him. :lol
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I also had tickets to see them right before Roy quit, I remember they immediately said the tour was going to happen, I think with Michael from Circus Maximus, but then shortly after cancelled. I was so upset Roy left. Then seen them a bunch with Tommy now. Really good live band, but I'm with Ariich in that GO and PftP was downhill for the band musically, but recovered a bit with Tommy.
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Not expecting anything great, but will hopefully be good standard modern Kamelot.
I really loved 4th Legacy - Black Halo.
Poetry and Poison were okay, but not great.
I thought Silverthorn was a great return to form.
Haven was okay but felt very rushed and half-baked.
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I think ya'll need to listen to Poetry a couple hundred more times. :metal
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I guess this increases the likelihood of me going to the show by about 100x.
I'm more on the ariich side of things too... but really, even "bad" Kamelot is pretty good.
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I think ya'll need to listen to Poetry a couple hundred more times. :metal
It's alright. Pandemonium is cool. Hunter's Season is good. Seal of Woven Years is good. Title track isn't bad (but shouldn't be four tracks).
The rest? Meh. Just very bland.
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I think ya'll need to listen to Poetry a couple hundred more times. :metal
It's alright. Pandemonium is cool. Hunter's Season is good. Seal of Woven Years is good. Title track isn't bad (but shouldn't be four tracks).
The rest? Meh. Just very bland.
Bingo, there's a few good tracks, but the overall feel for the album is boring. I had this same feeling since day 1 and I've listened to it so many times and still am not able to really dig it besides some songs and moments here and there. I don't think my opinion will change at this point. It's my least favorite of theirs since 4th Legacy and it's not even close.
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We can at least agree it's better than the first two albums... right? Right?! :|
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:lol yea, I'd say first 3
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Siege is pretty good actually. Just a bit sterile and bland.
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I often forget Siιge Perilous even exists. I only just noticed the accent over the e, too. :lol
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There are three absolute wonderful songs on Siege Perilous (Providence, King's Eyes, Where I Reign) who have the bad luck of being on the "forgotten" Khan album. Take the three worst songs off The Fourth Legacy (if there is even such a thing as three bad songs on that record) and put these in, and you have an album that rivals up with Karma and Epica.
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Havent liked anything since Tommy joined but yeah, its not him I think. I will give this a listen but not expecting much.
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For some reason, I just can't get into the new singer. His range is impressive but his voice does absolutely nothing for me. I find it incredibly bland and unremarkable.
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For some reason, I just can't get into the new singer. His range is impressive but his voice does absolutely nothing for me. I find it incredibly bland and unremarkable.
That's not something I've heard anyone use to describe Tommy's voice. :o
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I gave up after Black Halo.
I'll give it a try though.
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Take the three worst songs off The Fourth Legacy (if there is even such a thing as three bad songs on that record) and put these in, and you have an album that rivals up with Karma and Epica.
But it already rivals up those two album as it is :biggrin:
Anyway, I'm pretty hyped for this. I loved Haven (it might in my top three kamelot album) so I'm really looking forward to the new album.
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Short 30 second teaser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImkLcuSHEKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImkLcuSHEKk)
Sounds fine, but can't judge much from it.
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Not much to judge by, but from what there is... it both looks and sounds safe as heck. They haven't gone out of their comfort zone in over 10 years. Wish they'd try something new, but I'll still be picking up the album. Hope the singles, whenever they come out, are something fresh!
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April 6th is the release date, which is awesome because thats two weeks before I see them so unlike last time, I'll know the new songs before they perform them. I remember I had video the entire "Revolution" track before they released the album and got a nasty gram from them after I uploaded it to youtube :lol That was the only time I've ever had a video taken down and I understand why, but I am glad I'll know the music first.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/kamelot-the-shadow-theory-cover-artwork-release-date-unveiled/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/kamelot-the-shadow-theory-cover-artwork-release-date-unveiled/)
Guests on the album include Lauren Hart (ONCE HUMAN), Jennifer Haben (BEYOND THE BLACK) and Sascha Paeth.
I guess they aren't using any of their old guests which could be refreshing, but damn do I miss Elize and Simone being part of the Kamelot family. Seems all the ladies go on to bigger and better things after being guests for Kamelot so maybe these new ladies have a nice stepping stone for their bands.
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The trailer sounds extremely meh, to be honest. I wasn't a big fan of Haventhere are some good songs, but the album ended up being more a miss than a hit for meand for some reason it seems to me that this one is going even more in that direction. That, and the "industrial" bit in the description... I think I'll check this album out before I buy the CD.
In fact, out of the last four Kamelot albums from Ghost Opera to Haven, the only one I spin more or less regularly is Silverthorn.
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The trailer sounds extremely meh, to be honest. I wasn't a big fan of Haventhere are some good songs, but the album ended up being more a miss than a hit for meand for some reason it seems to me that this one is going even more in that direction. That, and the "industrial" bit in the description... I think I'll check this album out before I buy the CD.
In fact, out of the last four Kamelot albums from Ghost Opera to Haven, the only one I spin more or less regularly is Silverthorn.
Same here, but I like the idea of industrial, even if they don't like do it the way I'm imagining it.
Kamelot aren't great at sounding super dark. Yet for some reason they are very dedicated to that mood. Not sure why.
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I'll echo what some have said already, 4th Legacy through Black Halo is stellar. After that they lost me. I've had opportunities to see them since and have passed because of how downhill they went. And although I love Khan, Tommy is also fantastic and I don't blame him at all, just poorer all around songwriting in recent years. New tour hits NYC and not Philly, which means my chances of seeing them dips from probably not to almost certainly not.
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The vocal section of that clip seems pretty generic and nothing special but the section after it, the last 10 seconds or so seems quite different and sparks my interest.
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The vocal section of that clip seems pretty generic and nothing special but the section after it, the last 10 seconds or so seems quite different and sparks my interest.
Hah I thought the opposite. Liked the vocal section, though it wasn't really special, and the 10 seconds after was just generic modern monotone Kamelot. I was waiting for some big layers or something and nothing.
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The vocal section of that clip seems pretty generic and nothing special but the section after it, the last 10 seconds or so seems quite different and sparks my interest.
Hah I thought the opposite. Liked the vocal section, though it wasn't really special, and the 10 seconds after was just generic modern monotone Kamelot. I was waiting for some big layers or something and nothing.
I guess in that I can hear the industrial style they were talking about, and it's a bit heavier which suits me.
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Didn't really hear any industrial. I only listened once, but it really just sounded like almost every other heavy half time Kamelot riff from the last 2 albums.
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Didn't really hear any industrial. I only listened once, but it really just sounded like almost every other heavy half time Kamelot riff from the last 2 albums.
True, it wasn't really industrial but what I would think they would call industrial for what they can come up with.
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They started to lose me when it all got too serious sounding. They had a bit of an innocent charm put to Karma that got lost afterward.
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Didn't really hear any industrial. I only listened once, but it really just sounded like almost every other heavy half time Kamelot riff from the last 2 albums.
True, it wasn't really industrial but what I would think they would call industrial for what they can come up with.
Yea I feel that. I actually love the mixture of real industrial and metal (though Fear Factory is way too one note for me) and I would be excited if Kamelot introduced actual industrial elements, sadly I think it just means exactly what was in that sample.
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Didn't really hear any industrial. I only listened once, but it really just sounded like almost every other heavy half time Kamelot riff from the last 2 albums.
True, it wasn't really industrial but what I would think they would call industrial for what they can come up with.
Yea I feel that. I actually love the mixture of real industrial and metal (though Fear Factory is way too one note for me) and I would be excited if Kamelot introduced actual industrial elements, sadly I think it just means exactly what was in that sample.
I think so too mate.
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I love Silverthorn and really like Haven. Musically I prefer some of the classic albums, but I prefer Tommy as a vocalist. Have seen them live 5 times now and they are fantastic. That said, I do think their audio production is a bit too dull/generic sounding, can't exactly pinpoint which aspect, but the different musical elements don't stand out as much as they could.
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Missed the news about them recording shows this tour, that is great news! The site of the venue (013) they play in here confirms they will record there. I wonder how many shows will be recorded.
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I thought they said the whole tour, but we'll see. I hope NYC footage makes the cut.
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I thought they said the whole tour, but we'll see. I hope NYC footage makes the cut.
"Filming will be done on the entire tour throughout..." So yes, you can interpret it that way. It just sounds like such a massive undertaking if you want to have good quality recordings for every single show (which would require a filming crew and additional prep for every show, right?), which made me assume they will film throughout the entire tour, but not necessarily every show. But I am not an expert, nor is English my native language. So who knows.
I hope they will release at least one full show or one cut from similar venues.
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Yea, to me, it sounds like a small crew recording every show and they will pick and choose the performances for the video. I have no expectation of a single concert.
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That's cool, and I guess it makes sense.
Their last DVD was one of the best concert DVDs I've ever seen. They could have either done this option, or tried to go even bigger/better/more theatrical with guest singers.
I was hoping for the latter, but I'm happy with anything.
Sad we likely won't get Mephisto with sexy blue haired girl though.
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Well, this way we will get the absolute top performances. And that will be utterly fantastic based on the 5 times I have seen them. And still, there is no reason to not do some special songs/shows here and there. They have always done that during "normal" tours as well (intimate shows with unique acoustic sets, pyrokinetics, special guests in some shows).
So I do hope we will get a recording with Alyssa on MoM, because she is made for that song, as cool as their other guests are.
The venue they play in here is 013, same as Ayreon Universe, hopefully they manage to fill it this time (3000 folks), they deserve it!
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Global warming kinda screwed up all the traditions tied to a once predictable wether, but at least from where I'm from, it is said that the last three days of January (29th, 30th and 31th) are the coldest of the year.
So, if you're one those people like me who like to listen specific songs on the anniversaries or locations they talk to, tonight's a good night to listen On the Coldest Winter Night ;D
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Dear Kamelotians,
The forthcoming release of The Shadow Theory will mark another chapter in the bands illustrious career. Coming off of the success of Haven, the band has stepped up their game even more on this new album and the massive tour planned for 2018/2019.
Casey is off to new endeavors! Prior to the recent final recordings, long-time drummer Casey Grillo informed the band that he had made the difficult decision to pursue other music and touring opportunities, in addition to the desire to focus more time on his drumhead company.
Casey has been my friend and colleague for nearly 20 years. We have seen and done a lot together both in and outside of Kamelot. As his friends, the band and I respect his decision. Im sure that we will all still be hanging out together when we have down time. adds Kamelot guitarist Thomas Youngblood (Official).
In a letter regarding his departure, Casey states: First and foremost I would like to thank all of the Kamelot fans around the world for your support during my time with the band. It has afforded me the opportunity to travel the globe, meet the most amazing people, experience so many cultures, and to share some of the most memorable experiences of my life. Between the various other musical endeavors I am involved with, along with my rapidly growing business DrumStatic.com, it really just became evident it was time for me to explore and focus on these new opportunities without compromising the exclusivity Kamelot needs and deserves.
The technical musical arrangements and intense touring demands drove the band to enlist a proficient and energetic musician which would fit perfectly within the Kamelot machine. The new Kamelot drummer is someone you may already know, so please welcome with open arms Johan "Jo" Nunez. This 29 year old drum master and instructor has been touring and playing on albums with Marty Freedman, Gus G, Firewind, Nightrage and more. "We knew Johan already from touring and he worked with us on the entire recent European tour. He's a sensational drummer, and was an easy choice in my mind. Be sure to make him feel welcome, and bug him for a photo, hes a super nice dude!" adds Kamelot bassist Sean Tibbetts.
Johan Nunez states: I am thrilled to join the Kamelot family! Ive known the band for well over 15 years and always looked up to Casey as a drummer, so it was a big honor for me when I was asked to step in. I have toured in the past with Kamelot and I could see how dedicated and loving their fans are! Everybody in the band and crew has been wonderful and already made me feel at home, so Im really excited to meet you all soon on the road!
Casey concurs with the selection and adds: I sincerely ask for you all to give a warm welcome to Johan Nunez, and to embrace him as the new drummer. He is a great guy and will proudly represent and continue the Kamelot legacy!
The band wishes Casey all the best in his future musical and business journeys. As part of the Kam family, he will continue to work behind the scenes with band.
The band is also confident that with the release of The Shadow Theory, fans will immediately recognize that Johans fantastic musicianship is a perfect choice for Kamelot. They can't wait for you to meet him on tour!
Learn more about Johan Nunez here: www.kamelot.com/site/johan-nunez
Or on his facebook page: www.facebook.com/johannunezofficial
European and Japan Tour dates coming this week and some big endorsement announcements!
#kamelot #theshadowtheory #kamelot2k18 #newalbum
Photo credits: #1 #2 by Tim Tronckoe photography, #3 by Firenesia
TL;DR Casey Grillo (Drums) has decided to go on elsewhere. (Queensryche perhaps?)
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WTF?!
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Well, that sucks. The changes have been gradual over time but by now it's just another situation like Iced Earth - the guitarist and everybody else. Let's hope this change will be the last one!
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WTF?!
Yeah man. Casey was a great fit for the band (IMO) and a super cool dude. Met him once before a show a year or two ago here in town.
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Interesting but not surprising. The band played without him recently and he was touring with Queensyrche.
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Argh. :censored
Looking forward to hearing the album, and I hope it brings a little something new to the table. The last two with Tommy sound like the band is just on auto-pilot.
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WTF?!
Yeah man. Casey was a great fit for the band (IMO) and a super cool dude. Met him once before a show a year or two ago here in town.
He's a great guy, and *the* Kamelot drummer imo. I'm sure the new guy is great, and since Tom and Oliver do pretty much all the songwriting, I doubt the creative processes in the band will change, but man, Casey could beat the crap out of those drums, and was one of the few drummers I genuinely enjoyed watching over the rest of the band. He's a fantastic player and it sucks to see him go. I'll be paying double attention to his work on The Shadow Theory now.
Best of luck to him with his future endeavors, I wish him nothing but success.
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Not too shocking.
Glad it seems to have been on very good terms. Sad the new tour wont be with him....I think? I hope it is.
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Not too shocking.
Glad it seems to have been on very good terms. Sad the new tour wont be with him....I think? I hope it is.
^ this. Sounds like Casey is already gone, and this is just the formal announcement that Johan is "permanent".
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So Casey wont be on the new tour? Shame. Im sure Ill survive though.
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So, does this mean that Casey is the drummer on the new album? ...and left after the album was finished?
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So, does this mean that Casey is the drummer on the new album? ...and left after the album was finished?
Said he told them "prior to the recent final recordings" which makes me feel like he was there to record, but it's not clear exactly.
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So, does this mean that Casey is the drummer on the new album? ...and left after the album was finished?
Said he told them "prior to the recent final recordings" which makes me feel like he was there to record, but it's not clear exactly.
OK, so I'm not the only one who didn't quite get that.
Prior to recording the drums, or prior to the final album tweaks that are always done right before the release date is announced.
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Towards the end of the statement, it says that fans will appreciate Johan's musicianship on the album. I believe that the new dude recorded the drums, since Casey informed the band of his intent to leave prior to the recording sessions.
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Well, that sucks. The changes have been gradual over time but by now it's just another situation like Iced Earth - the guitarist and everybody else. Let's hope this change will be the last one!
Actually Sean is the original Kamelot bassist and co-founded the band with Thomas back in the day. He left the band before they recorded their first album and then rejoined when that bassist left back around 2009. So he's not the "classic" Kamelot bassist, but he is an original founding bandmate. :tup
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Right, forgot about that!
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Been a Kamelot fan for 18 years and while it's sad to see Casey go, it's great to see band departures with out a shred of external drama. The new drummer is very talent so I don't see the band.....missing a beat.
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so I don't see the band.....missing a beat.
Hooray, the steady march of mediocrity continues unimpeded!
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so I don't see the band.....missing a beat.
Hooray, the steady march of mediocrity continues unimpeded!
:lol
So true.
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Is that the March of Mephisto?
And agreed, it's nice to see a band parting ways with a long time member without any drama.
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I'm not gonna write off TST just yet - I am seeing the band at the end of April and I want to be a little excited, I think I'll have seen them more than any other band at that point - but I am very nervous because the samples, tracklist, and artwork scream 'same stuff, different year.'
This isn't a concept album, is it? I was organizing my collection last weekend and came across my nearly mint, untouched Silverthorn box. Not sure where I put the poster (which, by the way, has the most airbrushed photos of male metal musicians I've ever seen and it is so funny I couldn't even put it on the wall), but everything else was like it had never been touched. I've never read the Silverthorn storybook or taken the instrumental CD out of its slipcase... hell I don't think I'd ever taken the main album out of the box until I decided to finally put it on the shelf (instead of keeping it in said box). Best part... bought the whole box set on Amazon for $14 when the album dropped. Not sure if it was a mistake or not... but that was a good deal.
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While I don't think Kamelot will ever return to the level of awesome of the Fourth Legacy - The Black Halo run, I do hold Silverthorn & Haven in much higher regard than Ghost Opera and Poetry for the Poisoned. I expect The Shadow Theory to be very similar to the previous two albums, but that is by no means a bad thing!
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Not too shocking.
Glad it seems to have been on very good terms. Sad the new tour wont be with him....I think? I hope it is.
Yes, this is very cool, like it was with Kiko when he left Angra for Megadeth. In this case, I had the clear impression that Angra was happy not only for Kiko, but that brought more visibility also for them. I guess this is easier to happen when someone trade its band for a bigger band, where it's possible to make a living only touring and recording with the band. It's really a great professional opportunity that goes beyond someone's wish to stay in its original band.
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While I don't think Kamelot will ever return to the level of awesome of the Fourth Legacy - The Black Halo run, I do hold Silverthorn & Haven in much higher regard than Ghost Opera and Poetry for the Poisoned. I expect The Shadow Theory to be very similar to the previous two albums, but that is by no means a bad thing!
Those two are miles better than Khan's last two.
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While I don't think Kamelot will ever return to the level of awesome of the Fourth Legacy - The Black Halo run, I do hold Silverthorn & Haven in much higher regard than Ghost Opera and Poetry for the Poisoned. I expect The Shadow Theory to be very similar to the previous two albums, but that is by no means a bad thing!
Those two are miles better than Khan's last two.
Yea, very much so. I do think there is something to "kamelot by the numbers" though. It hasn't prevented me from enjoying their music or concerts, but kind of in that they don't really perform different songs anymore and their albums are becoming more generic.
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Poetry rules and all of you know it. I'm gonna go play Zodiac :biggrin:
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Poetry rules and all of you know it. I'm gonna go play Zodiac :biggrin:
I do like Zodiac, and TGP, and Hunter's Season. But by and large, the rest is pretty forgettable.
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Not too shocking.
Glad it seems to have been on very good terms. Sad the new tour wont be with him....I think? I hope it is.
Yes, this is very cool, like it was with Kiko when he left Angra for Megadeth. In this case, I had the clear impression that Angra was happy not only for Kiko, but that brought more visibility also for them. I guess this is easier to happen when someone trade its band for a bigger band, where it's possible to make a living only touring and recording with the band. It's really a great professional opportunity that goes beyond someone's wish to stay in its original band.
Is Casey moving to a bigger band? in name status, sure, but in cold reality? they're doing small tours, mostly fly-ins during weekends, and sticking to the "greatest hits" short-ish sets, while Kamelot are doing album after album touring the world. Maybe that's precisely the point, QR don't tour as much anymore and that leaves him more time for other business stuff, while still playing a band that, at least by name, has a huge history.
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Yea, If he does indeed become Queensyrche's new drummer, that is still going to be less work than Kamelot who consistently tour the world.
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Poetry rules and all of you know it. I'm gonna go play Zodiac :biggrin:
I do like Zodiac, and TGP, and Hunter's Season. But by and large, the rest is pretty forgettable.
Nobody ever talks about So Long or If Tomorrow Came or Once Upon A Time or Seal of Woven Years. I'll go back to my Poetry corner and wallow :| :lol
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So Long is my favorite track on the album, and Once Upon a Time is a good power metal song. That still doesn't mean it's a good album :biggrin:
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Grumble grumble ya'll don't know good music grumble grumble :lol :lol
kidding : )
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Yeah, So Long does stand out from the rest of the title track. Best part of it for sure.
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Is Casey moving to a bigger band? in name status, sure, but in cold reality? they're doing small tours, mostly fly-ins during weekends, and sticking to the "greatest hits" short-ish sets, while Kamelot are doing album after album touring the world. Maybe that's precisely the point, QR don't tour as much anymore and that leaves him more time for other business stuff, while still playing a band that, at least by name, has a huge history.
Maybe that's it. I didn't know that Kamelot was a much more known band. I've only heard from them by now with Casey in Queensryche! :biggrin: But this is just my ignorance, for sure.
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Nobody ever talks about So Long or If Tomorrow Came or Once Upon A Time or Seal of Woven Years.
Ya think maybe there's a reason for that? :biggrin:
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Cause they're so good they speak for themselves? Yeah I thought so too :lol
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Cause they're so good they speak for themselves? Yeah I thought so too :lol
Apparently not, because you're speaking for them. :neverusethis:
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Cause they're so good they speak for themselves? Yeah I thought so too :lol
Apparently not, because you're speaking for them. :neverusethis:
Yeah well... shut up :biggrin: :lol
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Hey you're not wrong. :) I like both Poetry and Ghost Opera better than the new stuff (and I guess better than the old stuff too).
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Just got tickets to the LA show. Woooo!
Curious to see the new guy's stage presence.
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Curious to see the new guy's stage presence.
He's great! I walked away from the concert totally happy, they managed the impossible: replacing an irreplaceable singer.
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New guy? you mean the drummer? Tommy isn't exactly new anymore
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Hey you're not wrong. :) I like both Poetry and Ghost Opera better than the new stuff (and I guess better than the old stuff too).
Great minds think alike! :) :)
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New guy? you mean the drummer? Tommy isn't exactly new anymore
Yea. Meant the drummer.
Already saw Tommy live with them. He is awesome.
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New guy? you mean the drummer? Tommy isn't exactly new anymore
Yea. Meant the drummer.
Already saw Tommy live with them. He is awesome.
First time I saw Tommy live was right after he joined, on the Silverthorn tour - I believe it was opening for Nightwish actually - and he had a cold. You'd never have known. Guy's voice was on another level - he did this extended solo singing spot with Forever, I think, and boy did the girls in the crowd swoon :lol
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The first time I actually saw him, he was a backup singer while Fabio Lione was fronting the band. He sang EdenEcho by himself, and after the show (and tour) when the speculation on the new singer was rampant, I was rooting for him. I was so happy to find out he actually got the gig!
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New guy? you mean the drummer? Tommy isn't exactly new anymore
Yea. Meant the drummer.
Already saw Tommy live with them. He is awesome.
First time I saw Tommy live was right after he joined, on the Silverthorn tour - I believe it was opening for Nightwish actually - and he had a cold. You'd never have known. Guy's voice was on another level - he did this extended solo singing spot with Forever, I think, and boy did the girls in the crowd swoon :lol
I saw them on this tour as well and while Nightwish was performing Slow Love Slow, I went to get a drink and the bar was empty except for Thomas and Sean who were talking to a handicapped person. I couldn't stop telling Thomas how happy I was that they found Tommy. He was very happy for my excitement :lol
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I think I'm with the minority on Kamelot Fav's. When I first got into them a few years ago the concensous was the best albums were Black Halo and the albums before. With very little love going to the Post- BH albums. I prefer by far BH , Ghost Opera and Poetry. Matter of fact, I think GO and PFTP are my favorite Kamelot albums.
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I think I'm with the minority on Kamelot Fav's. When I first got into them a few years ago the concensous was the best albums were Black Halo and the albums before. With very little love going to the Post- BH albums. I prefer by far BH , Ghost Opera and Poetry. Matter of fact, I think GO and PFTP are my favorite Kamelot albums.
I haven't heard any full album past Ghost Opera. They just fell off my radar. I do enjoy Ghost Opera a lot, plus The Black Halo and Epica. Karma has my favorite songs in Forever and Elizabeth.
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I'd bet money that Black Halo is still considered the peak by the vast majority of Kamelot listeners/fans. That's always been my perception. CrimsonSunrise, you got good taste liking Poetry and Ghost Opera so much ;) :biggrin:
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New Kamelot
https://loudwire.com/kamelot-ravenlight-the-shadow-theory-song/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQKrMeeTlfc - Ravenlight lyric video
I think I like it more than most of the stuff on Haven. It's a little reminiscent of Insomnia with the stop/start riffing, but slower and not as hard-hitting. Feels more like older Kamelot to me, which is good.
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I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Kamelot fans are bound to prefer the newer, Tommy fronted albums over their classics. At least here they draw bigger crowds than before and most of the folks are quite young. Liar Liar is also their best viewed clip on youtube by a good margin, and is one of their newer ones.
Anyways, new song is solid. Looling forward to the album!
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I think Kamelot have simply evolved. They were once a power metal band, with "positive" and "upliftiing" melodies, and lyrical subject often rooted in fantasy. They eventually shifted towards a more symphonic, "goth" and darker approach, which is more aligned with the current tastes of the general public.
I still like them and Tommy is an awesome singer, I consider Haven a fantastic album, but the earlier Khan albums were a bit more "magical" and unique, different from the rest for me. There is a massive load of wonderful songs from The Black Halo onwards, but the Siege Perilous - Fourth Legacy - Karma - Epica string of albums will forever be unparalled to me.
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Yea, they've certainly progressed in style.
This song sounds like a continuation of the Haven sound though. I like it. I liked Haven too though.
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I'm not feeling this one at all. It sounds like Kamelot's been in a rut since Silverthorn and this is just more of the same right down to the art style. I'll stop raining on the parade but I'm just really disappointed in how far this band's dropped for me over the last few albums... I'll still buy this in the hopes that there's a few surprises on there.
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wash. rinse. repeat.
or if you prefer....
copy/paste.
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Wow, I didn't like this song at all to be honest. I loved Silverthorn and thought Haven was pretty mediocre and this song sounds like it's a continuation from Haven. I think I'll listen to the album before I decide to buy a physical copy.
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The more I listen to it and read the lyrics, I can't tell if I just don't like the band anymore or if they're really just different. This vibe is so reminiscent of what they've become ever since they released the video for The Great Pandemonium, but it lacks the energy that had. The lyrics since Tommy joined have been so brooding and maudlin it's borderline funny, but I can't tell if that's just my jaded taste in metal talking or if it really is corny - even the name rubs me the wrong way, like Silverthorn. But the reactions make me think I'm not alone.
On the same day as learning about Seventh Wonder being held up it all kind of makes me grind my teeth - starting to wish Tommy hadn't joined Kamelot, for SW's sake.
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Yea, this wasn't bad, but Kamelot are clearly in factory production mode right now, and have been for a while.
They found a routine they like and show no signs of moving on from that. Makes for very very safe music that is enjoyable and probably a good time live, but also pretty bland, all things considered.
And with the exception of their Faust saga albums, Kamelot have never had good lyrics and have always been pretty laughable. So it's not really anything new.
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Yea, this wasn't bad, but Kamelot are clearly in factory production mode right now, and have been for a while.
They found a routine they like and show no signs of moving on from that. Makes for very very safe music that is enjoyable and probably a good time live, but also pretty bland, all things considered.
And with the exception of their Faust saga albums, Kamelot have never had good lyrics and have always been pretty laughable. So it's not really anything new.
I disagree with that. I think they had a few songs with good lyrics up to The Black Halo, then they started really getting good for a few albums. Since Silverthorn though they've cranked the maudlin up to 11. Black Halo through Poetry had some great lyrics I think on almost every song, particularly ballads like Abandoned, House On A Hill, EdenEcho, So Long... but that's just me.
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Liked the song. Didn't love it. Agree with the sentiment that it's more of the same. But I really like the Tommy era albums, so it works for me.
My favorite Kamelot albums are in the 4th Legacy thru The Black Halo run, and while they'll never get back to that point I do still like their recent output.
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I liked it. But then again I really liked Silverthorn and Haven.
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I havent liked anything since Tommy joined but I thought that was alright for some reason. Reminded me of Poetry. Not a fan of Tom's lead tone though. Might check the album out though.
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Yea, this wasn't bad, but Kamelot are clearly in factory production mode right now, and have been for a while.
They found a routine they like and show no signs of moving on from that. Makes for very very safe music that is enjoyable and probably a good time live, but also pretty bland, all things considered.
And with the exception of their Faust saga albums, Kamelot have never had good lyrics and have always been pretty laughable. So it's not really anything new.
I disagree with that. I think they had a few songs with good lyrics up to The Black Halo, then they started really getting good for a few albums. Since Silverthorn though they've cranked the maudlin up to 11. Black Halo through Poetry had some great lyrics I think on almost every song, particularly ballads like Abandoned, House On A Hill, EdenEcho, So Long... but that's just me.
I was a bit hyperbolic, and maybe our standards are different, but I don't see a ton of good lyrics on anything pre-BH. A few bits here and there, but it's more the exception than the rule.
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Liked the song. Didn't love it. Agree with the sentiment that it's more of the same. But I really like the Tommy era albums, so it works for me.
My favorite Kamelot albums are in the 4th Legacy thru The Black Halo run, and while they'll never get back to that point I do still like their recent output.
Yea, this wasn't bad, but Kamelot are clearly in factory production mode right now, and have been for a while.
They found a routine they like and show no signs of moving on from that. Makes for very very safe music that is enjoyable and probably a good time live, but also pretty bland, all things considered.
These two statements pretty much nail it for me.
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I have to agree with most recent comments, their last few releases have been fairly generic metal that is mainly unforgettable. But, I haven't listened to them as much as the Khan fronted albums. Tommy is an awesome singer, seeing them for the first time next month, sure it will be good though.
But, man they were really at their peak from Fourth Legacy thru Ghost Opera. Yeah, included Ghost Opera, Love that album, don't understand the hate for it. Would have loved to see them with Khan, definitely one of my favorite singers.
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It's odd. They have some REALLY bad material from the Khan era. Like truly meh.
The new stuff....I dunno.
I actually love Silverthorn. But Haven is just a consisten B-. You know? It never really gets terrible, but it never really gets great.
I will buy their B- albums and mostly be cool with them. But I truly hope it gets to A+ at times.
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I think Karma - Epica - The Black Halo is one of the best album runs in metal overall, all three albums are in my Top 50.
At this point, I'm way more interested in Tiara than in The Shadow Theory, and seeing it pushed to October because of Kamelot's new album is frustrating.
I guess what I'm saying is I agree with Kattelox on most points here.
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The push off of SW really is unfortunate.
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Song was kinda meh.
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Recently discovered this band. Currently got 5 albums...Black Halo, Haven, Ghost Opera, Silverthorn and Epica. That's the order I'd rank them in, as I have Epica last I'm worried I probably won't like the early stuff much.
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You should definitely check out Karma at least, The 4th Legacy is really good as well.
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Recently discovered this band. Currently got 5 albums...Black Halo, Haven, Ghost Opera, Silverthorn and Epica. That's the order I'd rank them in, as I have Epica last I'm worried I probably won't like the early stuff much.
Cramx3 is right - the band's "current' style started with The Fourth Legacy and Karma. I don't even have Siege Perilous, which is when Khan joined the band. Any of the pre-Khan records are not going to be similar to the albums that you have.
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Pre-Khan records? You must be imagining things, Grappler.
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Pre-Khan records? You must be imagining things, Grappler.
I actually think Eternity is not a bad record at all.
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Pre-Khan records? You must be imagining things, Grappler.
I actually think Eternity is not a bad record at all.
I'm sorry, sir, I don't understand. Come again?
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Pre-Khan records? You must be imagining things, Grappler.
I actually think Eternity is not a bad record at all.
I'm sorry, sir, I don't understand. Come again?
I actually think Eternity is not a bad record at all.
Sorry mate, someone must have changed my keyboard to symbols.
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:lol :lol :lol
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Pre-Khan records? You must be imagining things, Grappler.
I actually think Eternity is not a bad record at all.
I'm sorry, sir, I don't understand. Come again?
I actually think Eternity is not a bad record at all.
Sorry mate, someone must have changed my keyboard to symbols.
Methinks Kattoe trolled you.
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Recently discovered this band. Currently got 5 albums...Black Halo, Haven, Ghost Opera, Silverthorn and Epica. That's the order I'd rank them in, as I have Epica last I'm worried I probably won't like the early stuff much.
Cramx3 is right - the band's "current' style started with The Fourth Legacy and Karma. I don't even have Siege Perilous, which is when Khan joined the band. Any of the pre-Khan records are not going to be similar to the albums that you have.
I was going for 'Poisoned' next - although a few of the reviews I've read seem to rate it the weakest album of the recent ones.
On Ghost Opera - the album starts really strong, the first 5 (proper) tracks are all great, the second half tails of somewhat, nothing terrible but a couple sound like Kamelot by numbers. However the version I got has a bunch of live tracks - then tacked on after the live tracks are three other songs 'Season's End', 'The Pendulous Fall' and 'Epilogue' - the first two of these are really good, better than most of the songs on the second half of the album. What's the story with this?
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The story is that those were various bonus songs for the japanese / digipack / whatever version of the album; when eventually they re-issued it with a bonus live disc, they figured it was cool to add also the "original" bonus tracks.
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The story is that those were various bonus songs for the japanese / digipack / whatever version of the album; when eventually they re-issued it with a bonus live disc, they figured it was cool to add also the "original" bonus tracks.
Oh OK that means sense. Is quality of these tracks generally thought of as better than some of the album tracks, or is that just me?
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Season's End as far as I'm concerned is better than half the songs on Ghost Opera. The Pendolous Fall ain't bad either.
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Correct.
I think Ghost Opera is awesome from start to finish although if I really had to pick songs to remove I'd probably get rid of Love You To Death and Mourning Star. They're not bad, but not as good as the rest of the album. EdenEcho is one of my all-time favorite Kamelot songs and I really enjoy how it closes the album. The bonus tracks are all right but don't do a whole lot for me. I think this album has a great balance of old Kamelot and new Kamelot. Songs like Blucher and The Human Stain have that modern Kamelot darkness but don't go full bore into Goth territory and the lyrics are pretty good.
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Correct.
I think Ghost Opera is awesome from start to finish although if I really had to pick songs to remove I'd probably get rid of Love You To Death and Mourning Star. They're not bad, but not as good as the rest of the album. EdenEcho is one of my all-time favorite Kamelot songs and I really enjoy how it closes the album. The bonus tracks are all right but don't do a whole lot for me. I think this album has a great balance of old Kamelot and new Kamelot. Songs like Blucher and The Human Stain have that modern Kamelot darkness but don't go full bore into Goth territory and the lyrics are pretty good.
Up Through the Ashes & Silence of the Darkness are the two I'd class as somewhat forgettable - not bad by any means, just by-numbers. Rule the World and The Human Stain are outstanding both would easily reside in my Top 10 Kamelot songs (Of the 5 albums I've heard.).
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I totally forgot about Up Through The Ashes. Yeah, I'd scrap that too. Not bad, but again, not outstanding. I kinda like Silence of the Darkness but that's because it's a faster tune.
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Season's End as far as I'm concerned is better than half the songs on Ghost Opera. The Pendolous Fall ain't bad either.
I really like both of those bonus songs.
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Being a newcomer to this band I'm curious to see what are peoples album rankings?
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Being a newcomer to this band I'm curious to see what are peoples album rankings?
The Black Halo
Karma
Ghost Opera
Epica
The Fourth Legacy
Silverthorn
Poetry For the Poisoned
Haven
Hard to do - the Black Halo is an automatic #1, it's just phenomenal. The next 4 are all interchangeable - I love them equally. Then the rest just get shuffled in. I tend to enjoy Haven the least, but it's not a bad record. Just more of the same.
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Awesome:
1. Poetry for the Poisoned
2. Ghost Opera
3. The Black Halo
Decently decent:
4. Haven
5. Karma
6. The Fourth Legacy
7. Epica
Yuck:
8. Silverthorn
9. Siege Perilous
10. Eternity and Dominion
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The Black Halo
Epica
Silverthorn
Karma
Haven
Ghost Opera
The Fourth legacy
Poetry for the Poisoned
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Top of the top:
Epica
Karma
The Fourth Legacy
All three of them are masterpieces. I'd give them a 10, 9.5 and 9. Or, 10, 9.8, 9.5. They're all awesome.
Second tier:
The Black Halo
Haven
Ghost Opera
Siee Perilous
Not so fond of:
Silverthorn
Poetry for the Poisoned
"Ah, right, they had two albums before Khan":
Eternity and Dominion
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1. Karma
2. Epica
3. The Black Halo
4. The 4th Legacy
5. Silverthorn
6. Haven
7. Ghost Opera
8. Poetry for the Poisoned
9-11 = Pre- 4th albums.
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I picked up both Karma and Poetry last week. Karma surprised me, as I though Epica was the weakest album by them I'd heard upto that point I wasn't sure about going further backwards - but this is a very good album.
Poetry though is a tough one (sorry Kattoelox) I wouldn't call it an outright bad album - but something feels off about it, even the cover art. On the plus side 'Hunter's Season' is awesome and 'Pandemonium' and 'Necropolis' are strong too...however after that though the songs either fall into the rather by-the-numbers catagory, or worse just plain bad - 'The Zodiac' for me is the worst Kamelot song i've heard and 'House on the Hill' is their weakest ballad by someway as well.
Revived ranking...
Black Halo
Haven
Ghost Opera
Karma
Silverthorn
Epica
Poetry for the Poisoned.
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Rabble rabble rabble! :censored The Zodiac is SO GOOD! :lol
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Rabble rabble rabble! :censored The Zodiac is SO GOOD! :lol
I woke up this morning gutted I'd missed the signed up period for your roulette! Then I saw this and realised I'd be out in the first round ;D
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Just starting to listen to the promo of the new album. Will let you know my thoughts!
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Looking forward to it. I've already heard another guy's thoughts on the promo and I'm just not expecting much.
Rabble rabble rabble! :censored The Zodiac is SO GOOD! :lol
I woke up this morning gutted I'd missed the signed up period for your roulette! Then I saw this and realised I'd be out in the first round ;D
Zodiac is top tier Kamelot and I am dead serious about that.
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Looking forward to it. I've already heard another guy's thoughts on the promo and I'm just not expecting much.
Hmm, yeah. I'm maybe two thirds of the way through, and it's ok so far, just a pretty standard Kamelot album really. I was a big fan of Haven as I said earlier in the thread, but this isn't doing it for me so much. Some really good songs, like the ballads which Kamelot almost always do well, but quite a lot of it just sounds pretty typical to me. I'll probably give it a few more listens once it's released, but I'm not feeling like I'm going to be rushing back. I'll report back if anything changes after the last few songs.
EDIT: Ok there was strong stuff in the last few songs. Doesn't elevate it to a great Kamelot album, but it's solid enough overall for me.
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New review: https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/kamelot-shadow-theory-album-review/
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The song quality left long before Roy Khan did. Ghost Opera was a mixed bag and Poetry for the Poisoned added some new elements that were darker, confusing and, more importantly, not very memorable. It was the first Kamelot record in years that lacked catchy hooks and riffs that really stuck with you. Its a case of lackluster songwriting.
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That review sounds exactly like how I responded to Silverthorn when it came out. Very similar to all the other reviews I've read on it. C'mon, Kamelot!
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New review: https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/kamelot-shadow-theory-album-review/
Oh, damn. Sounds like a guy who knows what he's talking about. I hope he's wrong, or better, since it's all tastes anyway, I hope I disagree with him.
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New review: https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/kamelot-shadow-theory-album-review/
Oh, damn. Sounds like a guy who knows what he's talking about. I hope he's wrong, or better, since it's all tastes anyway, I hope I disagree with him.
Sounds like pretty much the consensus here really, Kamelot by the numbers. Honestly, though, this review did nothing to turn me off. Basic Kamelot is still pretty good music to my ears. This quote is actually more interesting to me
EDIT: Ok there was strong stuff in the last few songs. Doesn't elevate it to a great Kamelot album, but it's solid enough overall for me.
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I wrote off Kamelot years ago as a band with nothing new or exciting to bring to the table or with any chance of hitting me with anything I enjoy more than their core albums with Khan. No review of the new album has done anything that makes me wish to waste time with the new album.
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New song;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qI_kVmqXWI
If you want to call it a new song that is. You'd have to argue.
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New song;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qI_kVmqXWI
If you want to call it a new song that is. You'd have to argue.
Video unavailable.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v8MqvUeDqL4 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v8MqvUeDqL4)
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Decent but again...Kamelot by numbers....
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New song;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qI_kVmqXWI
If you want to call it a new song that is. You'd have to argue.
Video unavailable.
Yea, I think someone posted it too early this morning or something and took it down. It's now up at the link from NoseofNicko
It's not a bad song, pretty much what wolfking said. Not only musically is it pretty much the same as any typical kamelot song, the music video is really similar to Insomnia. It seems both albums deal with a future world, but the similarities between the music and video are a bit too much IMO (although the song reminds me more of Sacrimony, video of Insomnia).
But it's not bad. It's like they just stick to what works, this type of song does well for them and they aren't straying far from it. The comments are all positive so it seems to be working well enough.
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You know, their synth string parts used to actually have strong melodies. Now they're just doing the same old generic thing most keyboardists fall back on. This song is more Kamelot by-the-numbers than Veil of Elysium was. Kamelautopilot. :facepalm: :tdwn
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Kamelot song generator?
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Yea, this is fine, but it is literally Kamelot by numbers. Every single part and transition is 100% predictable.
Also what Cram said about the video is true and I also think serves as a great metaphor for their music.....it lacks color.
The music (and the videos) are just so grey. Kamelot used to have a ton of color to their music and now there's virtually none.
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HOLY CGI effects in that video, man. I haven't heard too much Kamelot songs, but I like what I am hearing from Phantom Divine. I mean if this is a derivative of their style, well then. I'm intrigued of what's their best stuff with this style of music.
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Yeah sorry, dunno what happened with the link.
The song ain't bad though really.
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Kamelot song generator?
Yeah, kinda. The song is good but is absolutely predictable.
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It really sucks when these guys put out something that just fails to really move me. All of the albums with Tommy singing sound so similar, as do his vocals.
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Wow. I'm sure I will check the album eventually, but two singles in, this sounds incredibly meh.
Also what Cram said about the video is true and I also think serves as a great metaphor for their music.....it lacks color.
The music (and the videos) are just so grey. Kamelot used to have a ton of color to their music and now there's virtually none.
That's an excellent description and that's exactly how I feel too.
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To be fair I think 2007 was the last time we saw much color in a Kamelot video but even then I remember the Ghost Opera video being pretty washed out. At this point 11 years in I suppose none of us should be surprised... Especially considering this band is on their 12th album and been around for 25 years. It's just funny how they still seem to be growing in popularity every single year. They're doing something right.
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To be fair I think 2007 was the last time we saw much color in a Kamelot video but even then I remember the Ghost Opera video being pretty washed out. At this point 11 years in I suppose none of us should be surprised... Especially considering this band is on their 12th album and been around for 25 years. It's just funny how they still seem to be growing in popularity every single year. They're doing something right.
And it could be a scenario as well where you put out an album and grow... so you do another like it and grow... and another. If you've traded in your desires at making something special then there would be no motivation for them to take off the autopilot.
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To be fair I think 2007 was the last time we saw much color in a Kamelot video but even then I remember the Ghost Opera video being pretty washed out. At this point 11 years in I suppose none of us should be surprised... Especially considering this band is on their 12th album and been around for 25 years. It's just funny how they still seem to be growing in popularity every single year. They're doing something right.
And it could be a scenario as well where you put out an album and grow... so you do another like it and grow... and another. If you've traded in your desires at making something special then there would be no motivation for them to take off the autopilot.
Yea, I'm definitely thinking Mr Youngblood is just not rocking the boat here. He has a band that has been able to survive with multiple band member changes (including a significant one) and able to do this for a living. I don't think Kamelot can take a hit to their fan base this late in their career. Also, I'm not entirely sure how much they are growing. They seem to play the same venues every tour here in the NYC area (while a band like Epica has played in bigger venues each tour here). But on social media, there's like literally no negativity towards them. I think their fan base generally really likes what they do and Kamelot are catering to them and therefore able to keep doing this for a living and being fairly successful at it as well for this genre.
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The fact that Kamelot's newer output has been a bit bland compared to their earlier work paired with the fact that Kamelot is certainly a detriment to Seventh Wonder's output as well really just disappoints me greatly.
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It's okay, when Tiara finally arrives this fall we can wash out the bland taste of maudlin Goth metal with neato prog :hat
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The fact that Kamelot's newer output has been a bit bland compared to their earlier work paired with the fact that Kamelot is certainly a detriment to Seventh Wonder's output as well really just disappoints me greatly.
It'll be really interesting to see the reaction to Tiara
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To be fair I think 2007 was the last time we saw much color in a Kamelot video but even then I remember the Ghost Opera video being pretty washed out. At this point 11 years in I suppose none of us should be surprised... Especially considering this band is on their 12th album and been around for 25 years. It's just funny how they still seem to be growing in popularity every single year. They're doing something right.
And it could be a scenario as well where you put out an album and grow... so you do another like it and grow... and another. If you've traded in your desires at making something special then there would be no motivation for them to take off the autopilot.
Yea, I'm definitely thinking Mr Youngblood is just not rocking the boat here. He has a band that has been able to survive with multiple band member changes (including a significant one) and able to do this for a living. I don't think Kamelot can take a hit to their fan base this late in their career. Also, I'm not entirely sure how much they are growing. They seem to play the same venues every tour here in the NYC area (while a band like Epica has played in bigger venues each tour here). But on social media, there's like literally no negativity towards them. I think their fan base generally really likes what they do and Kamelot are catering to them and therefore able to keep doing this for a living and being fairly successful at it as well for this genre.
I think they have been growing decently in the EU. Actually, the band themselves have said that the Haven tour was their biggest EU headlining tour to date and during the last 5 years or so a good amount of their shows have sold out. Haven also was their highest charting album, though obviously it was released in a different time than some of their classics, so I don't know how this compares. In terms of social media, youtube, and streaming, they seem to do well for the genre as well, with plenty of new songs ranking the highest in terms of views/listeners. On youtube, Liar Liar from Haven is getting close to 8 million views, significantly more than any other song of theirs that have been on the site for years longer.
I think what they are doing is simply what most of their current fans enjoy. Personally I love Silverthorn and really like Haven, but I do agree their music could use a shakeup with fresh elements.
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Good points about the Euro market, I didn't realize that since I am only basing my opinion from what I see in the NYC area. I'll be seeing them in a few weeks. Pretty good tour package with Delain and Battle Beast. I would expect a good size crowd for this since Delain has actually grown quite a bit over here with finally doing a headline tour last year. But this is the second time seeing them open for Kamelot and hoping they get more set time than the previous time.
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No discussion about this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rlRJAb2p24I (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rlRJAb2p24I)
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He's back!!!! :o
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He sounds great, but the lyrics ruin it.
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Hey FW - my rankings:
Ghost Opera
Poetry for the Poisoned
The Black Halo
Karma
The Fourth Legacy
Epica
Didn't listen to the older stuff enough to comment.
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Hey FW - my rankings:
Ghost Opera
Poetry for the Poisoned
The Black Halo
Karma
The Fourth Legacy
Epica
Didn't listen to the older stuff enough to comment.
:metal This is a good ranking of those albums. Well done. I had a strong feeling you'd have Halo through Poetry ranked high.
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The Black Halo
The Fourth Legacy
Epica
Karma
Ghost Opera
Stuff not worth listening to again.
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Ugh I hate ratings, but whatever.
1. Black Halo
2. Epica
3. Fourth Legacy
4. Karma
5. Silverthorn
6. Siege
7. Haven
8. Poetry
9. Ghost
Keep in mind 6-9 are just random at this point. I like 1-5 a lot. Then I like 6-9 way less.
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Pretty atypical list from me (in terms of no. 1, at least), but here is my top 5:
1. Silverthorn
2. Black Halo
3. Karma
4. Epica
5. Fourth Legacy
Other ones are about equal to me, save for the pre-Roy stuff which I never bother aftering hearing one song.
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He's back!!!! :o
Yeah, I saw that the other day, and at first thought it was an April Fool's joke. Beautiful track. I'll believe he's "back" when I see something about an album release.
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My Shadow Theory "earbook" arrived today! Wasn't expecting that until Friday.
If you don't know, the earbook is the size of an LP, and it's basically a hard cover book with the CDs inside and tons of nice artwork. The pages were nice and heavy, the lyrics were easy to read, and there were so many nice pictures of the band.
Most of the early reviews said that Casey Grillo was on the album, and left right afterwards. That's not right. Johan Nunez is on drums on Shadow Theory. I'll say his drum parts sound good and are interesting. I guess you can tell the style is just a bit different from Casey. But I've only been through the album once and it was hard to concentrate on the drums on the first play.
So, like I said... I've sat down and actively listed to it all once, so all I can do is give first impressions.
The album is dense, packed full. Just overwhelming. Melodies are strong throughout, with unique and themed lyrics. The 2 guest female vocalists are used sparingly. Not a gimmick, a nice addition. This is what you like Kamelot for. If you aren't into them... the 2 singles they released are the ones to hear, I suppose.
Anyway - I love it. But it will take a week to get familiar enough to do a proper review. This is dense, proggy, heavy (and kinda weird) music.
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I'm really hoping to like this one a lot more than the last two.
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Just downloaded it this morning, about to start listening.
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First listen.
Tracks that stood out (I hadn't heard anything from this album till this first listen) - Ravenlight, Amnesiac (probably the standout), Burns to Embrace, Static, Vesperine and I also liked the bonus track The Last Day of Sunlight.
On the flipside - Kevlar Skin sounded like a lot of bombast but very little nuance and the big ballad 'Twilight Hours' sounded quite cheesy (disney).
To early to judge where this ranks, and to be honest I'm still to new to this band in general to do that (only discovered them about 10 weeks ago ;D)
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Cheesy never bothers me in music, so that means I'll probably love that track. :lol
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Couple more plays and I'm starting to get a real feel for this now. Timeline wise this album feels like it would fit between Poetry and Silverthorn. It takes some of the darker, heavier and nastier tones of Poetry and combines that with the style of Silverthorn.
The two released tracks 'Phantom Divide' and 'Ravenlight' are interesting choices as they are very much the 'Haven' sounding songs - but this album isn't just a Haven Version2 - It's not doing anything to far removed from their standard sound, but it's more interesting than just being a carbon copy of Haven which people may think from those two tracks.
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Are the lyrics on the whole album as maudlin as the last couple albums? I don't really know what they're saying when they say "ravenlight" or "a symphony of coming winters" - just sounds really trite and generic.
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Alright, I gave this album one listen today at work. I doubt I will spin it again. There are some moments here are there (some parts in The Proud and the Broken are epic as hell, but the chorus is killing the song for me), but overall I thought this was bland and uninspired. Phantom Divine ended up being one of the better tracks for me, actually. The most interesting thing about this album is probably growls. I don't know. I won't be buying this for sure.
Are the lyrics on the whole album as maudlin as the last couple albums? I don't really know what they're saying when they say "ravenlight" or "a symphony of coming winters" - just sounds really trite and generic.
From my first impression, they are, if not actually worse. These double words like "RavenLight" or "MindFall Remedy" is one thing, the rhymes like "uncover me / discover me" in Kevlar Skin is another.
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Heard it too... I agree that it's nothing more and nothing less than a Kamelot album. I'd say that if you take an uneducated Kamelot fan who's just starting with the band, make him a mix compilation of some songs off Haven and some others off this one and sell it as a single allbum, they wouldn't be even able to notice something's wrong, since the sound and the style is so similar.
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Just spun about 40 minutes of it while walking the dogs. Definitely Kamelot paint(play)-by-numbers. Nothing I haven't heard from them before. It's not that I disliked anything, but nothing grabbed my attention. I'll save it on Spotify and maybe spin it randomly, but here's where my purchases of Kamelot likely cease. And given their show is on a Monday evening, over an hour from where I live, I've seen Delain twice with them, and couldn't care less about Battle Beast... the chances of me going to the show are slim-to-none.
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Just got done listening to it at the gym. It's... I don't know. I think I enjoyed the first listen more than the first listens for Silverthorn and Haven, but that's not saying much. Lots of bands have their 'formula' so to speak but this is just so darn predictable and it's a shame given how talented they are. It feels like another album cranked through the Kamelot factory in every way. "Phantom Divine" = "Veil of Elysium" = "Sacrimony"...
I really enjoyed Oliver's lead voice and his solos, it's nice when he does something besides piano and the "Kamelot strings" even if it's just a synth lead. And Tommy does a wonderful job as always. New guy on drums doesn't stand out a whole lot although I like the moments where he picks it up to double bass power metal drumming.
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Yea, I had one listen through and it's Haven pt2. It's almost like an exact replica. The new drummer doesn't stand out at all. The most noticeable thing is some new lead keyboard tones that sound interesting, but it's essentially the same music being played. The Proud and The Broken might be the most interesting song on the album, and it comes too late as the last song. If they were more creative with some more songs going off the beaten formula, they could of produced something better overall.
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Kamelot's new album is a collection of songs...
There's some good stuff sprinkled throughout, but I don't think I'll be purchasing this one.
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Everyone else on social media is nuts for this. I've scrolled around some Kamelot pages, everyone is praising the record. You think you'd find at least someone complaing but now, we're literally the only people on the web so far who are underwhelmed by the same old same old feel of this record (and mind you, I loved Haven a lot and I still do)...
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Everyone else on social media is nuts for this. I've scrolled around some Kamelot pages, everyone is praising the record. You think you'd find at least someone complaing but now, we're literally the only people on the web so far who are underwhelmed by the same old same old feel of this record (and mind you, I loved Haven a lot and I still do)...
All of the actual reviews I've read have agreed with the people here.
For the most part, though, I'm pretty sure that unless it's REALLY Bad or extremely different then the bands' social media pages will always be filled with praise upon a new release.
And for the most part, the big masses do generally tend to what to hear the same thing over and over and over. There's a reason most big bands don't change up set lists or styles much. It keeps the masses happy to be very repetitive.
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Everyone else on social media is nuts for this. I've scrolled around some Kamelot pages, everyone is praising the record. You think you'd find at least someone complaing but now, we're literally the only people on the web so far who are underwhelmed by the same old same old feel of this record (and mind you, I loved Haven a lot and I still do)...
Actually the US Power Metal Connection Facebook page (a very popular community) is equally disappointed and or lukewarm on it too. I think the formula is starting to fatigue a lot of people.
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So I just realized I own Poetry for the Poisoned (probably bought it back when it came out and forgot about it). Gonna listen to it for the first time (I think) tonight. Why is it considered one of their weakest albums?
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I think it is a decent album but not one I will return to outside of a few songs. While the album does nothing new, I don't think it is exactly like Haven. It sounds more like the second half of their discography condensed into a solid, but predictable whole, if that makes any sense.
That said, the reviews here have been solid to great for this album (some 6-7, but also a good amount of 8's or higher) and a significant chunk of their fans seem to love it. I think Kamelot is a band that has some pretty different groups of fans, also in terms of age. But personally speaking I don't think I will love this one, despite my enthusiasm for Silverthorn and Haven.
But in general trying to grasp a consensus on the internet between different communities is near impossible. Even when something has millions of viewers/followers, only a very small subset actually puts their thoughts out there (usually less than a percent).
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'The Zodiac' for me is the worst Kamelot song i've heard
I expected a really bad song after reading that, but Im listening to it right now and I like it a lot. The chorus is great imo.
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'The Zodiac' for me is the worst Kamelot song i've heard
I expected a really bad song after reading that, but Im listening to it right now and I like it a lot. The chorus is great imo.
I love Jon Oliva's verse. So damn metal! I love everything about The Zodiac. :metal
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'The Zodiac' for me is the worst Kamelot song i've heard
I expected a really bad song after reading that, but Im listening to it right now and I like it a lot. The chorus is great imo.
I love Jon Oliva's verse. So damn metal! I love everything about The Zodiac. :metal
Yeah thats a good part. Love Jon Oliva.
Anyway, less than 10 minutes of Poetry left to listen to and I think its really good. Had 3.16 on Rate Your Music and my rating (4) bumped it up to 3.17.
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Are you ending with Once Upon A Time? Freaking great closer track, actually kind of a happier piece. There are a couple cool bonus tracks although the title of one is totally redundant (Thespian Drama).
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For the most part, though, I'm pretty sure that unless it's REALLY Bad or extremely different then the bands' social media pages will always be filled with praise upon a new release.
You don't check out often DT's FB page, do you? :lol
(And yeah, I know that The Astonishing falls in the extremely different category you actually mentioned)
I love Jon Oliva's verse.
Well, doesn't this apply to 99% Jon Oliva ever sang? :metal
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Three spins onto TST and I want to like it more than I do. The early standouts are Burns to Embrace and The Proud and the Broken. Hopefully the rest will grow on me, but overall an underwhelming experience.
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Kevlar Skin is my early favorite. But yeah, Burns to Embrace is also good, with the catchy chorus.
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I find it an enjoyable album - I'm new to the band though and only really digested their discography in the last 3 months (Karma onwards). I'd personally say The Black Halo is their outstanding album 9/10, and Poetry is their weakest 5/10 - all their other albums for me fall together in a very good collection of songs 7 or 8/10 standard.
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On yet another listen - I find 3/4, generally, annoying as a tempo for speedy power metal songs. All three lead singles for the last 3 albums have been in 3/4 (this includes Phantom Divine). It just becomes more obviously formulaic, predictable, and boring the more I hear it. "Amnesiac" is a pretty cool song and I wish that was the single instead, but I'm also more of a straightforward, 4/4 type guy when it comes to that speedy power metal goodness. "My Crimson Bride" is still one of my favorites on the album: come day, come night, my crimson bride~ - I actually really like that.
Some of the choruses on this album are still really strong, even in Phantom Divine, but it's the rest of the songs that fall into the predictable trappings which is unfortunate. It's a problem Epica has seemed to have for many years now: strong choruses but ever-so-samey riffs and verses. At least Kamelot doesn't go into the political territory, not often anyway :tup
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I'd agree with 'Amnesiac' and 'My Crimson Bride' being standouts together with 'Burns To Embrace' and 'Static'.
The cool thing about this band is ever album has at least 3 really awesome tracks on them, and I can honest say there isn't one song that I actively dislike - 'The Zodiac' remains my least favorite, but that isn't a terrible skip track.
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Listened to it 2 or 3 times now on Spotify and sadly, being a long term fan of the band, nothing grabs me as a stand out song at all. It's decent enough but nothing to make me want to purchase it so I can give it and the lyrics more attention.
Mark as "disappointing" for me.
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Three spins onto TST and I want to like it more than I do. The early standouts are Burns to Embrace and The Proud and the Broken. Hopefully the rest will grow on me, but overall an underwhelming experience.
I'm amazed at how much this album has grown on me. I really like most of the songs. The choruses are infectious and the music is great. While this will never touch the 4th Legacy - Halo run, this is a fine addition to the Silverthorn/Haven Tier, which is the 2nd tier for me ahead of Ghost Opera and Poetry.
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So gave it a good listen.
It's just so meh. Fine, but nothing more. The good things about it I've already heard a bunch, but they're fine.
I feel like the whole band was like "yea this is good enough, let's move on" for all of this.
One of the songs I actually had to skip half way through cause of how boring it was. Forgot which.
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Count me in along the "Meh" votes. It's the safest, most standard, template-following Kamelot album ever. Phantom Divine, Burns to Embrace, Kevlar Skin and maybe Stories Unheard and Vespertine are enough to save the album but it's really a copy and paste and churn out kind of disc. Also... Edguy did Ravenblack, Kamelot Ravenlight.... enough already with making up stupid words just because "raven" sounds cool. It's a damn bird. Yeah, it's a badass sounding word and Poe wrote a poem about it but just give up this obsession with ravens.
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Count me in along the "Meh" votes. It's the safest, most standard, template-following Kamelot album ever. Phantom Divine, Burns to Embrace, Kevlar Skin and maybe Stories Unheard and Vespertine are enough to save the album but it's really a copy and paste and churn out kind of disc. Also... Edguy did Ravenblack, Kamelot Ravenlight.... enough already with making up stupid words just because "raven" sounds cool. It's a damn bird. Yeah, it's a badass sounding word and Poe wrote a poem about it but just give up this obsession with ravens.
What about the Ravenskill Militia? :lol
Yea, I pretty much agree with you though. Album is a copy paste of Haven, without the punch of a Liar Liar type song. I still want to listen to it more though since I am seeing them in a week. I'm curious what will get played.
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Kevlar Skin stacks up well against Liar Liar.
I wish we had something like Citizen Zero/Veritas/Zodiac/The Spell. Guess this isn't exactly Kamelot by the numbers
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Kevlar Skin stacks up well against Liar Liar.
I wish we had something like Citizen Zero/Veritas/Zodiac/The Spell. Guess this isn't exactly Kamelot by the numbers
Oh it is. Just because not every single song off the last two albums isn't copied over, doesn't mean much. They took their most typical songs and just repeated them a lot.
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The cringe lyrics are really bad. Something something pantomime... Ravenlight... Touched by the light, shadow of a dream... talk about cliche
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Ive listened to The Shadow Theory 5 Times and I only really like 3 or 4 songs. Their fourth weakest album after their first 3 for me.
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I've realized that Static is one of the best songs.
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I watched One Cold Winter's Night over the weekend and fell in love with it all over again. Will be binging on the Khan albums all week. I hadn't seen that concert in years.
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I watched One Cold Winter's Night over the weekend and fell in love with it all over again. Will be binging on the Khan albums all week. I hadn't seen that concert in years.
I had to check the dates to be sure, but I got into Kamelot (apparently) just months after The Black Halo came out, and I remember waiting a long time for the One Cold Winter's Night DVD - awesome concert, although if I remember correctly Roy flubs the beginning to Nights of Arabia, right? He's a beat or two off? I miss that song. I've never seen it played live.
Now I'm thinking about my all time favorite Kamelot songs and that's really, really hard. Even though I don't care for their albums as a whole prior to The Black Halo, they still have some great songs in that early era (generally, the ones they still play live, like Center of the Universe or Farewell). I'd be interested in hearing everyone's top 10-20 songs, I'm going to chew on mine for a while.
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I watched One Cold Winter's Night over the weekend and fell in love with it all over again. Will be binging on the Khan albums all week. I hadn't seen that concert in years.
That's such a great DVD. It's a shame their newest one (they will film) is just a collection of a bunch of songs from random shows.
I was really hoping to get a great DVD of them with sexy blue haired girl.
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I've seen Nights of Arabia live! awesome song.
Let me see my favorite 10-20ish songs, going by albums to make it easier...
Providence, Where I Reign, King's Eyes
Nights of Arabia, Fourth Legacy, Sailorman's Hymn, Shadow of Uther
Forever, Wings of Despair, Elizabeth
Center of the Universe, Wander, One Cold Winter's Night, but anyway all of Epica as a whole is a total masterpiece
March of Mephisto, The Haunting
Ghost Opera, Human Stain
Sacrimony, Veritas
Veil of Elysium
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I was really hoping to get a great DVD of them with sexy blue haired girl.
:lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5etfIwlRbg
Oh look, a full length concert release where she fronts her own band!
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I was really hoping to get a great DVD of them with sexy blue haired girl.
:lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5etfIwlRbg
Oh look, a full length concert release where she fronts her own band!
I didn't want to just look at her, I really liked her dynamic with Kamelot.
I didn't click the link (at work) but I assume it's Arch Enemy since The Agonist has no DVDs. I lost a ton of interest in Arch Enemy when she joined. Not her fault, just meh writing.
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I've realized that Static is one of the best songs.
Yeah. I've been surprised no one seems to be mentioning it.
I'd rank the songs...
1. Burns to Embrace
2. Static
3. Vespertine (My Crimson Bride)
4. Amnesiac
5. Ravenlight
6. The Proud and the Broken
7. Phantom Divine (Shadow Empire)
8. The Last Day of Sunlight
9. In Twilight Hours
10. Stories Unheard**
11. MindFall Remedy
12. Kevlar Skin
**Stories Unheard has potential to move up, it's the only song on the album I don't feel I've fully got a handle on yet, it has a Ghost Opera feel too it.
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Aw, poor Kevlar Skin, while I think it has the worst title (no wait, that's Ravenlight, every arbitrary use of the word "Raven" earns the worst title award), it turned out to be one of my favorite songs, mainly for the chorus.
I agree however that Burns to Embrace not only is good, but it's also quite original. I like Phantom Divine but I've already heard a better version of it on the previous album (Veil of Elysium of course).
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Yeah I like most of Phantom Divine except for the chorus. Sounds too much like Sacrimony and Veil of Elysium.
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They live debut a few of the new songs last night. I finally put the album on my phone so I can listen at work (where I do most of my listening) and get pumped for the show Friday night :metal
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I was thinking about my favorite Kamelot songs and I think I finally settled on a batch. Not exactly 10 though:
Nights of Arabia
A Sailorman's Hymn
Karma
Center of the Universe
The Haunting
Ghost Opera
The Human Stain
EdenEcho
The Zodiac
House On A Hill
Necropolis
Poetry For The Poisoned, Pt. 2: So Long
Insomniac
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I don't think I've ever said this before (about any band), but I kind of dig the instrumental versions. I think I listened to the album about 5 times today :lol and maybe I've forced it on myself, but I don't hate it. It's growing on me. Still feel like it's a copy of Haven, but I liked Haven, so kind of hard to not like this, but the sameness of it makes me feel like it's a lesser version. I'm still really loving The Proud and the Broken though, that guitar riff is killer and it really feels like a stand alone song that does well compared to the rest of the typical Kamelot songs on the album.
and sure I'll post a top 10 (not including anything from TST, just haven't digested enough to say anything will land here yet)
Memento Mori
Soul Society
Abandoned
Karma
Center of the Universe
My Confession
Sacrimony
Liar Liar
Lunar Sanctum
3 Ways to Epica
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They live debut a few of the new songs last night. I finally put the album on my phone so I can listen at work (where I do most of my listening) and get pumped for the show Friday night :metal
Always makes me jealous when i see people saying this!!!......Wish my "work" was like that!!!...LOL
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They live debut a few of the new songs last night. I finally put the album on my phone so I can listen at work (where I do most of my listening) and get pumped for the show Friday night :metal
Always makes me jealous when i see people saying this!!!......Wish my "work" was like that!!!...LOL
I work in a data center that's very very loud and I am required by work to wear noise cancelling headphones, so I usually am always listening to music because that's better than no noise.
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This is definitely one of those albums that I don't actually like all that much, but it'll still rack up tons of listens because it's easy to digest and energetic. Perfect background music.
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Yesterday I went to brush my teeth after having last read this thread, and I assume I'm not the only one that "spaces out" doing mundane tasks. I hummed along in my head to Elizabeth, then thought about March of Mephisto, then the line "Let's play with the fire that burns in my veins, trust in the might of a miracle" from Veil of Elysium, and immediately thought "Under the phantom divine" :lol
Yeah, it's that bad I guess. At least I like the song but I can't pretend it's a retread of Elysium which was a retread of Sacrimony anyway.
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I get a very strong hint of 80's Maiden (in particular 'Powerslave' era) from 'Wings of Despair'.
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Anyone know a safe place to download the bonus tracks for the albums. I've brought the albums on iTunes and weirdly some had the bonus tracks, others didn't. I believe I'm missing....
Once and Future King (Karma)
Snow (Epica)
Like the Shadows (Epica)
Where the Wild Roses Grow (Nick Cave cover from Poetry)
Leaving to Soon (Sliverthorn)
Welcome Home (Silverthorn b-side).
The Ties that Bind (Haven)
At First Light (Haven)
Angel of Refraction (Shadow Theory).
The bonus tracks I did get have been generally really strong - 'Season's End' would probably make my top 20 Kamelot songs. 'The Pendulous Fall', 'Grace' and 'The Last Day of Sunlight' are all really good too.
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Seeing them in May. Looked up their setlists to see how much of their new album I need to be familiar with first. Luckily it isn't much, so I'm good.
Still sad seeing a real lack of older (earlier Khan era) stuff being ignored. But I guess they're fully embracing their new sound and not doing much with their old sound. Ah well.
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I honestly think I won't see them again if they come to my town with this setlist. The Khan songs are almost the same that they did on the previous tour (with one exception), Silverthorn is represented with one song, and I have no interest in either new songs or seeing Haven songs played all over again.
This is very ironic, because I was too young to attend the last Kamelot Khan-fronted gig in our country (I think it was 2006 or 2007), and since pretty much 2010 I was waiting for them to come and play here. Come 2012, they were the band I wanted to see live the mostI loved most of Khan albums, I loved Silverthorn, I was really into Tommy's voice based on both Silverthorn and Seventh Wonder. I still wanted to see them when Haven was released in 2015, and I saw them on Haven tour eventually (even though it was late 2017 for our part of the tour I think), and the gig was great, and I probably would see them again if they switch the setlist up... but looking at the starting shows from this tour, yeah, I guess I'll pass on this tour unless they switch some songs around.
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Still sad seeing a real lack of older (earlier Khan era) stuff being ignored. But I guess they're fully embracing their new sound and not doing much with their old sound. Ah well.
It sucks they never explored more songs from the Khan era with Tommy. I bet he would be able to do some of those songs really well (I think he really nailed the old material they've played). I remember they played Don't You Cry with Tommy and it was so refreshing and well done. I'm kind of surprised they are only playing 4 new songs (or even less, they cut two songs (1 new) last night). But they are also playing 4 from Haven. Kind of wished they dropped a little more from Haven and gave us at least one deep cut. Oh well. Also pretty upset they aren't taking advantage of Charlotte and doing Under Grey Skies say instead of Here's To The Fall.
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I've seen them with Khan, with Fabio Lione and with Tommy :metal
I liked the last concert, but reading these comments, I think I'll pass on their new show too. I don't want to know the exact set but same old Khan songs, just the barely minimum set of new songs from the new album to justify a world tour and - not that I wouldn't mind, love the album - a lot from Haven? how about more songs from Haven in the Haven tour, and less songs from it next time around?
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I'll never not be bitter about missing my one and only shot at seeing Khan-elot. Had tickets well in advance to their show promoting Poetry, and then... Khan leaves. I even had VIP tickets! Then I had to wait a whole year for them to come back. With Fabio, of course, but still, I am upset I never got to see Khan. On the other hand the promoter did still mail me a VIP laminate :biggrin:
Catching them in Chicago next Friday, since they were free tix (Christmas gift) I'll be able to enjoy the show regardless.
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I'll never not be bitter about missing my one and only shot at seeing Khan-elot. Had tickets well in advance to their show promoting Poetry, and then... Khan leaves. I even had VIP tickets! Then I had to wait a whole year for them to come back. With Fabio, of course, but still, I am upset I never got to see Khan. On the other hand the promoter did still mail me a VIP laminate :biggrin:
Catching them in Chicago next Friday, since they were free tix (Christmas gift) I'll be able to enjoy the show regardless.
I don't think I've ever been so upset as I was when they cancelled that tour and Khan quit. I was SO excited to finally see them and my favorite singer. What a punch to the gut that was. I had tickets and got a refund and was so mad I didn't go when they came around with Fabio. My friend went and said it was awesome and I kind of feel bad that I took my anger out on not going to that show. They even toured with Simone, who I love. And had alestorm opening :biggrin: Oh well.
Honestly, they are still a really good live band and I enjoy them enough that I have no issue going to the show Friday. I also love Delain so it makes it a lot easier for me. In fact, I think the NYC show is going to sell out. They said only 50 tickets last last night. The same venue Mike Portnoy played with the Shattered Fortress (which he also sold out the day of the show).
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I feel very fortunate to have seen them 3 times during the Khan era, including twice on the Black Halo world tour. In 2006 I got to see Epica open up for them and Simone came back out to do the Haunting with Kamelot. One of my all time favorite shows.
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Yea, you are lucky and I am jelly
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There's a discussion about Kamelot raging in a rather large Facebook power metal group I'm part of and boy did people tear me a new one for my opinions on their discography. Serious business, different views produce seething rage in others. :lol :lol
EDIT: I think the only thing the entire Kamelot fanbase has in common is that the first two albums are the absolute weakest. From that point on it's a crapshoot, hell opinions might be more varied than those of Rush.
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There's a discussion about Kamelot raging in a rather large Facebook power metal group I'm part of and boy did people tear me a new one for my opinions on their discography. Serious business, different views produce seething rage in others. :lol :lol
EDIT: I think the only thing the entire Kamelot fanbase has in common is that the first two albums are the absolute weakest. From that point on it's a crapshoot, hell opinions might be more varied than those of Rush.
Well, your opinions are fairly different so I get that it would start some discussion... but rage, seriously? lol it's just music, we all have different opinions.
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Three shows into the tour and not a single video of the new songs? I guess I'll just have to do it myself :lol Show is officially sold out now and I have a VIP balcony ticket :metal
I've listened enough to TST to be able to form a rough ranking:
The Proud and the Broken
Ravenlight
Phantom Divine
Amnesiac
In Twilight Hours
Mindfall Remedy
Kevlar Skin
Burns to Embrace
Vespertine
Static
Stories Unheard
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Stories Unheard
I think thats the one I skipped about halfway through.
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Just booked tickets for the London show - shame I've gotta wait till December though!
So yesterday I downloaded all the bonus tracks that I didn't get with my copies of the albums. My plan was to insert the tracks into the albums with sensible placement - rather than tacked on at the end. However I found out collecting the bonus tracks I'd downloaded with the bonus tracks I already had, I actually had an albums worth of material - so I created.....
Kamelot - At First Light (I chose this name because I actually found some Kamelot artwork for it, so that is my cover).
1. Thespian Drama. (From Poetry for the Poisoned).
Ever Kamelot album starts with an Instrumental intro - at nearly 4 minutes long this is actually more than an intro.
2. Snow (From Epica).
Epica had been the Kamelot album I struggled to get into most - I'm there now, however if they'd left this track in it would have made it easier. This is a top 3 Epica track.
3. The Ties The Bind (Haven).
Haven songs generally stuck to a (winning) formula, mid/fast tempo songs with huge hooky laden choruses and this song follow that formula - while this isn't a real top tier Haven track, it more than holds it own.
4. Season's End (Ghost Opera).
The downside to creating this is you lessen Ghost Opera. This song is simply awesome and I did considered it the best track on Ghost Opera.
5. Grace (Silverthorn).
This is interesting track that sounds a bit different from the standard Kamelot sound, mid tempo with a great chorus.
6. Leaving Too Soon (Silverthorn).
This maybe about Roy leaving the band. It's a actually a really awesome song - some great Tommy falsetto on the chorus and a nice bouncy orchestral riff.
7. The Pendulous Falls. (Ghost Opera)
Another good song taken from Ghost Opera. Not as great as Season's End but still was somewhere in the middle of Ghost Opera tracks.
8. At First Light (Haven).
The title track ;D This one starts with a cool melody - but overall it's a little flat, unlike most Haven tracks the chorus of this one fails to elevate it. It's an OK song.
9. Where The Wild Roses Grow (Poetry).
It's a Nick Cave cover. I've always liked the song and it fits the Kamelot mold really well - it's the classic female duet ballad that most recent Kamelot albums contain.
10. Like The Shadows (Karma).
Now this is different. Sounds like an 80's rock song maybe something that would fit on the Lost Boys soundtrack, there is a slight unfinished feel too it with only one verse - overall it's decent enough.
11. The Last Day of Sunlight (The Shadow Theory).
When I ranked the songs of The Shadow Theory I put this 8th which I think is still fair.
12. Once and Future King (Karma).
Disclaimer : I hate the name Kamelot - I expected cheesy fantasy shite. This song is about the Arthurian legend by Kamelot - Oh Dear........but, but it's actually, well it's actually cheesy as fuck. Depict all this I actually like it, there is an 80's Maiden vibe about it.
13. Welcome Home (Silverthorn).
Hmm OK. A short plaintive ballad. Just Tommy and one guitar - It's probably the only song that feels like a b-side. It's not without value, but it's the weakest track by far.
14. Epilogue (Ghost Opera/Black Halo).
This is weird in the sense it's a Black Halo track, but came as a Bonus on Ghost Opera. The title makes it have to be the final track really, it's good and has a really nice outro.
So this 'album' has a running time of 53 minutes has most of the hallmarks of a standard Kamelot album. There are some real top tier Kamelot tracks (Snow, Season's End & Leaving Too Soon) - I personally think it holds up pretty well.
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Season's End is the best of the bunch and is better than half songs on Ghost Opera.
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Season's End is the best of the bunch and is better than half songs on Ghost Opera.
Yup. I also really enjoy Snow.
The concert on Friday was really awesome. I think being sold out, made it feel a bit special, as Kamelot had said during it, it was their first time ever selling out in NY (and I think they can thank Delain for that though). The crowd was on fire, singing a long and chanting all night to all three bands. Battle Beast was really fun. They really brought it to the stage too. Felt like a band who had something to prove. 6 people on stage in front of two other band's equipment meant they didn't have much to work but they put on a show. Really respect them after seeing them. Might not be totally my music, but enjoyed them. Next was Delain who you could tell have really built up a following in NYC. They've played NYC 6/7 years so they put their time in inlcuding headlining last year at a similar venue. There was one moment where the crowd wouldn't stop cheering for them. I have it in my video, 90 seconds straight of just cheering between songs and Delain just kind of soaked it all in. Really cool moment. And Charlotte was hardly wearing anything, I was kind of surprised by how sexy she was. I mean, shes always been kind on the eyes, but being my 5th time seeing them, never really saw her with such little cloths on :lol
Then we had Kamelot. I found out earlier in the day that the new Kamelot Nunez wasn't performing with them. He had an apparent leg injury and Kamelot had to rush in an emergency back up drummer who happened to be Alex Landenburg who I just saw a couple months ago with Cyhra. Kind of cool to see another drummer, although bummed to not get to see the new drummer. I'd say his playing was really basic and kind of felt more like just keeping the beat vs. playing an art. I don't blame him at all, he had to learn the songs quickly. I don't think this took anything away from the show. Tommy brought it as always. He's just sooooo good. The set list is not really that interesting and I found Lauren Hart to not be that good. Feels like Kamelot's touring female has gone down in quality since Alyssa. (I'm not a big Kobra Page fan).
Having said all that, I think this was my favorite Kamelot or Delain show Ive seen. Seems like everyone wanted to out perform each other and put on a show because they had a really excited crowd.
Kamelot, Delain, and Battle Beast Live at Irving Plaza (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrVGL9eCV6E)
Kamelot - Phantom Divine Live in New York City (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp_DJceO-So)
Kamelot - Amnesiac Live in New York City (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FHcyZJwsz4)
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Awesome videos!
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Thanks, so work is sending me to Denver next week and just noticed that the Kamelot tour stops there next week. I can't make the decision now as work will dictate my schedule, but if I am available next Tuesday night, I may go see the show again. :metal
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Great videos cramx3. Couldn't agree with you more. Went to the show the other night in Chicago, was a lot better then I expected. All 3 bands brought it Battle Beast really rocked, their enthusiasm was really infectious - not really my favorite type of Metal now, when I was 15 yeah, but still enjoyed them. Delain was really good, what a great front-woman Charlotte is, cool and unique band. First time seeing Kamelot after being a fan for quite a few years. Tommy was awesome, Thomas was as well, but I think that's a given for both of these guys. Setlist was good IMO, nice mix of new and a few older tunes.
Overall, great concert. Wasn't really excited about going after initially listening to The Shadow Theory and a little of Delain, but all of the new tunes came across very well live.
On a different note, got into a few conversations regarding who do you prefer, Tommy or Khan.
I'm more of a fan of Khan, he sang with so much passion and energy, plus overall the music was more interesting. But, after watching quite a few videos of Khan live from the early days until 2010, he lost a lot of range and struggled often in the later days. People say it might have been vocal fatigue and the years of touring taking it's toll. I think it was obvious that he needed a long break and then decided to give it up. So with that being said I totally understand his decision. I'm basically over the thought of Man I wish he was still in the band.
And, Tommy was a great choice for a replacement.
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Yeah, it was heartbreaking to see Khan go, but as far as the band's longevity and their live performances go, it was a blessing in disguise.
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I never really looked back to see that Khan was struggling in the end so never really thought about that.
Anyway, I really think I might be able to make it out to the show tonight in Denver. Been listening to TST much more lately since I saw them a couple weeks ago and it's growing on me. The first half of the album is really strong then it fades until the final track. Im thinking if I combined the best of Haven and The Shadow Theory that it would make one really awesome album. Tommy actually said in an interview that TST was really an extension of Haven so I guess that could explain why it sounds so alike. If I accept that, I find I can enjoy the album much more.
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Just listened to The Shadow Theory. I think the problem seems to be that the actual power metal is basically gone. There are still shades of it in 'Phantom Divine' and 'Kevlar Skin'. But the vast majority of the material has no real metallic edge to it whatsoever. Doesn't help that the guitars are so low in the mix. Songs like 'Static' just don't feel right on a Kamelot album and the choruses are mostly pretty phoned in. Also, I don't think the album sounds particularly cohesive as a whole. The flow is actually pretty bad, with 'Kevlar Skin' coming in between two ballads. The sequencing just doesn't seem to carry the momentum that well.
In some ways, it's a little bit like Poetry for the Poisoned. Low energy combined with awkward deviations from the band's sound. I don't think the issue is that it's too similar to Haven. Maybe song-by-song (Phantom = Veil of Elysium, Ravenlight = Insomnia etc.), but the overall focus seems a little different. Haven plays more to the band's strengths and had more highlights. The best songs on there can compete with the band's overall best, while the best on The Shadow Theory is merely good. 'Insomnia', 'Citizen Zero', 'Veil of Elysium', 'My Therapy', 'Liar Liar' and 'Revolution' are all significantly better than the best stuff on The Shadow Theory IMO.
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This friday I will see them live again, looking forward to it! It is a special show for the dvd recording, featuring three guests, Alissa (Arch Enemy), Charlotte (Delain), and Elize (Amaranthe). And according to their fb they have some surprises in store, though I expect a mostly predictable setlist. Anyways, I hope they play as well as they did last time I saw them, because that would make for an awesome recording ;D
Just listened to The Shadow Theory. I think the problem seems to be that the actual power metal is basically gone. There are still shades of it in 'Phantom Divine' and 'Kevlar Skin'. But the vast majority of the material has no real metallic edge to it whatsoever. Doesn't help that the guitars are so low in the mix. Songs like 'Static' just don't feel right on a Kamelot album and the choruses are mostly pretty phoned in. Also, I don't think the album sounds particularly cohesive as a whole. The flow is actually pretty bad, with 'Kevlar Skin' coming in between two ballads. The sequencing just doesn't seem to carry the momentum that well.
In some ways, it's a little bit like Poetry for the Poisoned. Low energy combined with awkward deviations from the band's sound. I don't think the issue is that it's too similar to Haven. Maybe song-by-song (Phantom = Veil of Elysium, Ravenlight = Insomnia etc.), but the overall focus seems a little different. Haven plays more to the band's strengths and had more highlights. The best songs on there can compete with the band's overall best, while the best on The Shadow Theory is merely good. 'Insomnia', 'Citizen Zero', 'Veil of Elysium', 'My Therapy', 'Liar Liar' and 'Revolution' are all significantly better than the best stuff on The Shadow Theory IMO.
Yeah, I agree with this. I like their latest album, but it lacks the punch Haven had for me. Maybe live it will be different.
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I think Shadow Theory is easily the best Tommy Kamelot album.
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I'm the opposite. I've heard it once and have no desire to spin it again.
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I'm the opposite. I've heard it once and have no desire to spin it again.
(https://i.imgur.com/f7FdEdG.jpg)
It's not that it was bad, but it was absolutely nothing new from Kamelot.
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Because rankings are fun.
Of course not including the first 3 albums.
1. Karma
2. Epica
3. The Black Halo
4. Silverthorn
5. The 4th Legacy
6. Haven
7. Poetry for the Poisoned
8. Ghost Opera
9. The Shadow Theory
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Just came back from their dvd recording. That should be a great watch! Great performance and great visuals. Good enthousiastic crowd in a sold out venue as well (same venue as the Ayreon Universe shows). However, I do think for many here it will be too much new songs. But that at least will make it very distinct from their last live album.
Setlist was mostly Tommy era, but given the great performances (and me loving Silverthorn and Haven), I don't mind. I don't like some of the songs they played live here on their respective studio albums, but really liked them when actually seeing them live (Burns to Embrace and Under Grey Skies, for example). Guests were also great, on top of the four female vocalists (Lauren, Elize, Charlotte, and Alissa), there were Eklipse on strings and a couple of children singing.
My only major complain is Here's to the Fall, I just don't like that song at all and would've loved Song for Jolee or Don't Your Cry or something. Hell, I prefer any Kamelot ballad over that one. Oh, and the sound was a bit shoddy at some points, but that at least shouldn't affect the recordings.
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Totally agree about Here's to the Fall, but damn that actually looks like a pretty cool setlist and I love all the guests.
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I am cool with that setlist since soooo much of their good stuff was on their last DVD, I wouldn't want much of that on this one.
Did sexy blue hair girl sing/scream on Mephisto?
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Yeah, I thought this setlist had a great pacing and there were no real low points for me. Despite me disliking Here's to the Fall, Tommy standing in the middle of the audience (at the booth of the sound guys) with lots of people using their torch (phone) was a cool moment. Also, don't know if this is a new thing, but Liar Liar was their encore, which I think works really well, awesome live track.
I am cool with that setlist since soooo much of their good stuff was on their last DVD, I wouldn't want much of that on this one.
Did sexy blue hair girl sing/scream on Mephisto?
Yeah, she did! Alissa makes several appearances throughout the concert.
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Wait a minute, what?! Roy Kahn apparently comes out of "retirement"?
Apparently his prog metal band conception will do a reunion, including him as the vocalist. There was a (successful) crowdfunding campaign a couple of months back. I was aware of the Roy Kahn song put up by Roy himself on youtube (which is great in my opinion, except for the lyrics being a bit too much on the nose). But this is set up to be actual prog metal. Not very familiar with conception though, just good to hear Roy is making some metal again.
The now closed campaign: https://www.pledgemusic.com/projects/conception-ep (https://www.pledgemusic.com/projects/conception-ep) And here is their facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/conceptionmusi2/ (https://www.facebook.com/conceptionmusi2/)
Honestly surprised I missed that, probably would've pledged.
Release of their EP is apparently planned for November this year.
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Oh yeah, I saw the ProgPower community go nuts on Facebook recently when that was announced. :lol Conception ain't really my bag but I'll check it out because, well, Roy! I was actually thinking they might be announced for PP next year but oh well.
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I remember it being discussed somewhere in GMD a few months ago. Or maybe I saw it on FB.
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So, on the tour for the new album they play most of the previous one (more songs than during the actual tour of said album) and one of the best songs off the new album gets the live premiere only because of the DVD recording? I'm a bit meh about this. I'm sure the show went down greatly, and I should be happy that they play so much off an album I love way more than the previous one, but I'm not sure I will be checking them out when they'll tour nearby me. On one hand, I know their show is great and Tommy kicks ass, on the other hand, having seen the Haven tour, I can't find any "OMG CAN'T MISS THIS FOR THE WORLD" stuff on the setlist.
Anyway, the setlist for the show is mostly fine, I'd just drop Rule the World forever and ever and also The Great Pandemonium, for maybe two Khan tracks - a classic one (Center of the Universe? Ghost Opera?) and maybe a gem like The Fourth Legacy or Wings of Despair. But I'm sure the DVD will look great the way it is.
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So, on the tour for the new album they play most of the previous one (more songs than during the actual tour of said album) and one of the best songs off the new album gets the live premiere only because of the DVD recording? I'm a bit meh about this. I'm sure the show went down greatly, and I should be happy that they play so much off an album I love way more than the previous one, but I'm not sure I will be checking them out when they'll tour nearby me. On one hand, I know their show is great and Tommy kicks ass, on the other hand, having seen the Haven tour, I can't find any "OMG CAN'T MISS THIS FOR THE WORLD" stuff on the setlist.
Anyway, the setlist for the show is mostly fine, I'd just drop Rule the World forever and ever and also The Great Pandemonium, for maybe two Khan tracks - a classic one (Center of the Universe? Ghost Opera?) and maybe a gem like The Fourth Legacy or Wings of Despair. But I'm sure the DVD will look great the way it is.
For the DVD, I think it was the right decision. We haven't had a pro shot live recording (of a whole concert) for many years and this DVD will be representative for the Tommy-era live shows of the last couple of years. And I can assure people the performances were fantastic.
I think Kamelot is heavily aiming to make their newer, Tommy-era songs the new "classics". And in order to achieve that, they need to play them a lot. And personally I think it is working (at least over here people are clearly singing along with plenty of the newer songs). They have had their best album sales and best selling tours of their careers in recent years, as well as an overall bigger online presence. A spark in popularity allows the artists to build upon those new fans with the newer songs that attracted those people.
That said, for this tour in general I would like to see them take a couple of classic tracks and swap them for others. And in the future it would be great if they did something like Nightwish is doing, a legacy type of tour covering a lot of classic songs. Kamelot definitely has the material to do that and I think Tommy will do a great job.
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We already have a DVD from the Black Halo era, so I have no problem with them playing a ton of their newer songs. It does kinda suck that they've really abandoned some of the old stuff, but kudos to them for pushing forward and playing mostly songs from the albums with Tommy and still achieving a lot of success.
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We already have a DVD from the Black Halo era, so I have no problem with them playing a ton of their newer songs. It does kinda suck that they've really abandoned some of the old stuff, but kudos to them for pushing forward and playing mostly songs from the albums with Tommy and still achieving a lot of success.
Which is actually something I wish more bands would do with their newer albums. It shows you really have faith in the new albums, and you're fans will love the show anyways.
I'll likely buy this DVD even though I haven't heard much from the albums with Tommy.
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I'm fine with the set for the DVD, makes sense to get the Tommy era stuff immortalized. But their touring setlists are really bad IMO if you've already seen Kamelot before. They just don't switch things up enough and then they don't even play enough new stuff. It's really just the same songs over and over. They just released a music video for Mindfall Remedy, so why aren't they playing it?
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Yeah their live performance is great but the sets need to be way better imo.
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I'm fine with the set for the DVD, makes sense to get the Tommy era stuff immortalized. But their touring setlists are really bad IMO if you've already seen Kamelot before. They just don't switch things up enough and then they don't even play enough new stuff. It's really just the same songs over and over. They just released a music video for Mindfall Remedy, so why aren't they playing it?
Thats why I feel a lot of us got spoiled from DT sets of old. Haha...but its what bands usually do. But then if those bands did change the sets dramatically keeping only one fan favorite, a lot of the fan base would bitch. Especially if that fan favorite isn't the main song, it'd be like C&C not playing Welcome Home.
Also, I wish I could see Kamelot live one day. For me, its about seeing the band live regardless of what they play. Since hardly anyone I really love comes by here, I try to jump at every chance I can to see them. Blind Guardian came and it was just before I really listened to them, I knew I should've went anyways and I kick myself for missing it. Even though I do complain about setlist, I still go because its the band playing live in my state.
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I am still going to see Kamelot next year (bought my ticket already) and it'll be the 6th time seeing them. I think the fans would be OK if they swapped say When The Lights Are Down with The Black Halo or The Great Pandemonium with Once Upon a Time. Just to switch it up a bit. It seems every tour they get less and less creative with their set lists. At least 5 years ago they Dont You Cry which I felt was a nice change up for them to go and do an older song with Tommy. And it was magical how good that was.
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I think over time it will improve. If you think about it, the majority of their setlist stems from the last six years/three albums. Though there isn't that much variation between tours, it is not like they have been doing this for decades long. As I said in my previous post I think it has partially to do with them trying to establish newer songs amongst their fans. Of that bunch Liar Liar and Sacrimony, for example, are there to stay. I think that with one or two more Tommy-era albums, there will be more variation.
But in the meantime, they should definitely switch up the Kahn-era songs and swap two Silverthorn/Haven songs for other Silverthorn/Haven songs. I would looove to see them play Prodigal Son, for example.
I agree that seeing them tour after tour can give a mich too similar feeling, I have seen them 5 times over five years now. I do think Dutch fans are a bit lucky considering they often do a special song (Welcome Home or End of Innocence acoustic) or add another twist to the show (larger scale or a more intimate setting, special guests).
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https://www.kamelotgermany.de/site/interviewty-2020/
Interesting interview with Thomas, about the bands plans for 2020. A few items to note:
The new DVD was delayed due to legal issues with previous songwriters. I haven't looked at writing credits. But I'd guess that's Khan. At least they got it worked out and it should come out this summer. They are so overdue for a new live release.
They signed a book deal, which I'm actually very interested in reading, whenever it is eventually written and released.
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I just hope the dvd is good and has a good Setlist. Havent really dug their last few albums, but they each have a good song or two.
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I just hope the dvd is good and has a good Setlist. Havent really dug their last few albums, but they each have a good song or two.
Well, don't click if you don't want to know, but they recorded it at this show, so....
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/kamelot/2018/poppodium-013-tilburg-netherlands-6be99a6e.html
Best case scenario, you get exactly the entire setlist, otherwise a song or two will be cut for whatever reason.
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Im good with that Setlist.
Wish the band wasnt trying to act like Fourth Legacy didnt exist. But whatever. Id be happy with that dvd.
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Wish the band wasnt trying to act like Fourth Legacy didnt exist. But whatever. Id be happy with that dvd.
Would it be up to me, at least two songs between The Fourth Legacy, Nights of Arabia and The Shadow of Uther would be present in every setlist.
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Im good with that Setlist.
Wish the band wasnt trying to act like Fourth Legacy didnt exist. But whatever. Id be happy with that dvd.
At this point, they act like nothing from Khan exists anymore besides the same songs. It's been a long time since they played an older less played song. I'd love to see some songs from that album as well as Karma (besides Karma and Forever).
The blu-ray looks like it should be sweet.
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I just hope the dvd is good and has a good Setlist. Havent really dug their last few albums, but they each have a good song or two.
Well, don't click if you don't want to know, but they recorded it at this show, so....
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/kamelot/2018/poppodium-013-tilburg-netherlands-6be99a6e.html
Best case scenario, you get exactly the entire setlist, otherwise a song or two will be cut for whatever reason.
Jeez, they are trying to erase the Khan stuff from existence.
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Im good with that Setlist.
Wish the band wasnt trying to act like Fourth Legacy didnt exist. But whatever. Id be happy with that dvd.
At this point, they act like nothing from Khan exists anymore besides the same songs. It's been a long time since they played an older less played song. I'd love to see some songs from that album as well as Karma (besides Karma and Forever).
This is why I'll probably never go see them live again unless they change it up or release some serious masterpiece.
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I don't like the Tommy-era Kamelot albums much at all unfortunately. I think Haven has the strongest selection of songs but still pales compared to the Khan era. Just feels like the band has a template and a formula they've fallen into rehashing time and time again, and the live sets are super disappointing these days. They have so many great classic songs they're just ignoring for all the new stuff. That's a dilemma a lot of bands in their position face but it's still sad to see so much of the new stuff that I personally dislike being favored over songs like Nights of Arabia which imo should always be a Kamelot encore...
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I love how they play new songs, I just wish they'd diversify the old stuff.
Rule the World
The Great Pandemonium
Center of the Universe
Forever
March of Mephisto
When The Lights Are Down
... all awesome songs and all played to death. I've seen Kamelot so many times now, these songs need to be rotated out with others IMO
Elizabeth
The Fourth Legacy
Nights of Arabia
Farewell
The Haunting
The Black Halo
EdenEcho
... all awesome songs they've played before and what happened to them? I've never seen any of those live
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I don't even consider Pandemonium and especially Rule the World an awesome song. Very lackluster song that feels it doesn't even have a chorus, just a bridge. I admit it has a certain punch and groove when played live, but why the title track has not become the live staple from Ghost Opera is beyond me.
Forever, Center of the Universe and Mephisto can stay.
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I think they did do a poll before last tour about what song they should drop. I think it was Center of the Universe that lost and wasn't played as much last tour. Forever could be replaced with a couple songs based on how they extend it with the whoas. That's really gotten old with me though. I'd rather Center of the Universe or March than Forever at this point. Plus those songs make use of whoever the female touring with them is.
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I don't like the Tommy-era Kamelot albums much at all unfortunately. I think Haven has the strongest selection of songs but still pales compared to the Khan era. Just feels like the band has a template and a formula they've fallen into rehashing time and time again, and the live sets are super disappointing these days. They have so many great classic songs they're just ignoring for all the new stuff. That's a dilemma a lot of bands in their position face but it's still sad to see so much of the new stuff that I personally dislike being favored over songs like Nights of Arabia which imo should always be a Kamelot encore...
Yeah, I don't like what Tommy has done with the band either. SHadow Theory is probably my fav our of the three. That had a few decent songs. The other two I just can't stand to be honest.
NIghts of Arabia
Expedition
Until Kingdom Comes
Fourth Legacy
Lunar Sanctum
Millennium
Across the Highlands
Edge of Paradise
Farewell
Shadow of Uther
So many good songs just completely forgotten about.
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I understand why they would want to focus on the newer stuff at this point; The Fourth Legacy, as much as I love it, is 20 years away. I agree with you guys that I can't believe they wouldn't want to diversify their set a little bit. There's lots of great and forgotten-by-them-but-not-by-us material on the few Khan albums they still revisit. I talked a little bit about how some bands seem to think they have to take their Spotify top 10, add new songs from the album they're promoting and get a setlist for every tour, and Kamelot is literally the worst offender. If you "invest" in a song that gets marginally weaker feedback from the audience, it can become one of your staples in a tour or two. People aren't dumb. People will see you're playing something unfamiliar to them and play it on Youtube to check it out. And you don't need to play every song for the lowest common denominator who put your Spotify top 10 on shuffle anyway. Play some songs for the rest of us.
What bothers me in their studio work is that Thomas seems to think they've hit on a new modern groove and that they're so ahead of the curve right now. But this "new" grimdark style they've been doing has been a thing for more than ten years now. Time for something fresh. Silverthorn was a great transition imo, it had something old, something new, a whimsical concept that took us a little closer to older Kamelot, and it was very well executed lyrically and vocally by Tommy. On Haven, it's like they came up with the stage costumes first and the music later, and TST is an extension of that.
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Not only that but their 'lead single' formula is irritating as hell. They've basically re-released Sacrimony twice now, once for Haven and once for Shadow Theory. The waltz-time anthem with a big string patch is their gimmick now.
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Yup. It's like..... fine........ I get it..... this is truly as overdone as the power metal you think is overdone, my good dudes.
I can't knock them for playing the game successfully, even in the past there were signs of all of this. You know, tactical cross-promotion and featuring new hot talent every release (starting with Simone and Shagrath), CGI videos, outside songwriting partners, a certain amount of trend-chasing. But the heart was always there, and the music was just so damn good. Most people blame it on the absence of Khan and his creative vision, but honestly, Tommy is just as charismatic (or getting up there, anyway), smart, dedicated to the craft of singing and writing lyrics, he's been at this for a real long time and he has his flair, it's just slightly different, but it's there. He could really carry the band like Khan did. I guess the real G in this band is Sascha Paeth and I am getting bored of him :\
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I really think the neverending 'write, record, tour tour tour, write record tour tour tour' cycle has taken its toll on the band. Not in their performance, because every show they do is fun, but with regards to the setlists and apparently their own songwriting stagnating. Of course I think Poetry is their best album so what do I know? Even though they still put out records with a few songs I love on each one, overall the quality is far from what they used to be imo. I don't attribute it to Tommy, just the wear and tear of a band who won't take a well deserved creative break for just a short while like Nightwish.
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That's not a bad observation, they definitely just seem to be in autopilot.
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I don't have a problem with Tommy too. Silverthorn was great in my opinion and then the songwriting quality just continued to decline after that.
However given how successful they are right now, I don't see them changing their approach in the near future. Can't wait for the next album featuring songs called ShadowDark, HeartStop Ointment and of course the lead single, Fallen Ghost (Gothic Ascendancy).
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I really think the neverending 'write, record, tour tour tour, write record tour tour tour' cycle has taken its toll on the band.
I don't know what you actually meant with writing "tour tour tour", but if it's the same thing I intend, I noticed too that mid-sized bands (big but not as big as the titans of the genre) spend a lot of time on the road, going over the same places more than once.
The reason is obvious - touring is where money is, and the more they tour, the more they earn. But it's hard to follow these tours, there's an european one, then an american one, then another american one maybe with a package, then another european tour part II with the same setlist... it's tour tour tour until "Well, I guess we've stretched this as far as we could, we should do a new album".
I also don't begrudge them too much for sticking with Tommy's songs - with all the lineup changes, the number of people who didn't play on the Khan album is increasing, I bet they want to play their own songs, it's not a situation like Maiden where Blaze kinda had to play those Bruce classics, the new songs - at least the new classic - are strong enough to warrant a place in the set. And Tommy is fantastic (and from what you can tell a very nice and positive person), so he was a blessing for the band, but yeah, the autopilot feel is strong with the latest album. I absolutely ADORED Haven, I think it's a fantastic album, but The Shadow Theory feels like one of those "two-three cool songs and the rest is forgettable" albums, which I never thought would fit a description for a Kamelot record.
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I don't like the Tommy-era Kamelot albums much at all unfortunately. I think Haven has the strongest selection of songs but still pales compared to the Khan era. Just feels like the band has a template and a formula they've fallen into rehashing time and time again, and the live sets are super disappointing these days. They have so many great classic songs they're just ignoring for all the new stuff. That's a dilemma a lot of bands in their position face but it's still sad to see so much of the new stuff that I personally dislike being favored over songs like Nights of Arabia which imo should always be a Kamelot encore...
Haven is one of my favourites, but yeah for me the others don't match up to the best Khan era albums.
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If you combined the best of Haven and The Shadow Theory you'd have a fantastic album. Both have their good songs, their clunkers, and some that sound exactly the same. But there's enough good stuff in both to keep me entertained. I'm not sure they have it in them to make another masterpiece album like The Black Halo, but they are definitely doing well enough to keep me going to their shows. Plus Tommy is still my favorite vocalist. They are a fun live band, and having different female vocalists almost means the tour cycles will offer something different even if they are playing mostly the same set. I'm just bummed I missed them when Simone Simons used to be the female vocalist. I've gotten to see them with (either as the touring vocalist or guest from an opening band) Elize Ryd, Alissa White-Gluz, Kobra Paige, Lauren Hart, Charlotte Wessels, and Clementine Delauney.
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Can't wait for the next album featuring songs called ShadowDark, HeartStop Ointment and of course the lead single, Fallen Ghost (Gothic Ascendancy).
:lol
I'm not a big fan of the revolving door of female vocalists. It used to be pretty simple: they would wanna feature a vocalist on a song, someone close to them would fill up the spot, it would work out that this person could join them on tour for a while, and things would be peachy. Now there's almost an expectation that they have to do that, so they have to pick someone who isn't so busy, and, well, Lauren Hart isn't all that busy because her main band is crap and she isn't amazing either :corn Alyssa is immensely talented but I don't like seeing talented assholes succeed. Elize and Charlotte are on the other end of the spectrum: they are successful because they are very nice people and willing to work very hard, but I don't see extraordinary talent there :-X but even if I liked them, they can't take any one of those three anymore because they are too busy, so we will get diminishing talent every time. Maybe Kobra's band folds because she's not getting it to where she wanted (read a recent interview where she hinted at the possibility), so she is able to join full time, that would save them from having to perform career-building services for middle-of-the-road vocalists.
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Maybe Kobra's band folds because she's not getting it to where she wanted (read a recent interview where she hinted at the possibility)
That would be a shame as I thought their latest album was a blast.
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Loads of people like them, but apparently the band isn't super financially sustainable (https://www.metalsucks.net/2019/10/25/kobra-and-the-lotus-future-in-doubt/) :-\
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Loads of people like them, but apparently the band isn't super financially sustainable (https://www.metalsucks.net/2019/10/25/kobra-and-the-lotus-future-in-doubt/) :-\
when I first looked at that photo, I thought that was Alyssa White-Gluz' sister :D (who borrowed her hair dye)
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I'm not a big fan of the revolving door of female vocalists. It used to be pretty simple: they would wanna feature a vocalist on a song, someone close to them would fill up the spot, it would work out that this person could join them on tour for a while, and things would be peachy. Now there's almost an expectation that they have to do that, so they have to pick someone who isn't so busy, and, well, Lauren Hart isn't all that busy because her main band is crap and she isn't amazing either :corn Alyssa is immensely talented but I don't like seeing talented assholes succeed. Elize and Charlotte are on the other end of the spectrum: they are successful because they are very nice people and willing to work very hard, but I don't see extraordinary talent there :-X but even if I liked them, they can't take any one of those three anymore because they are too busy, so we will get diminishing talent every time. Maybe Kobra's band folds because she's not getting it to where she wanted (read a recent interview where she hinted at the possibility), so she is able to join full time, that would save them from having to perform career-building services for middle-of-the-road vocalists.
I would disagree on Charlotte, I think is plenty of talent there; agreed on everyone else though.
I wish they wrote an album without guest female singers just for the novelty of it. They could drop all the guest-spot songs from their setlist then for the tour and bust out some rare stuff, too.
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I might have my metal gossip mixed up but didn't Tommy and the Kobra singer actually get married, or at the very least they're engaged? if they're a couple they'd be more willing to align their schedules.
Even Khan, after all, brought along her wife on tour to sing.
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I might have my metal gossip mixed up but didn't Tommy and the Kobra singer actually get married, or at the very least they're engaged? if they're a couple they'd be more willing to align their schedules.
Engaged at least for sure, I remember Tommy posting it on Facebook. I know I was very baffled by this as I thought his wife sang on Tiara and did the voice-over on Mercy Falls :lol turns out that was his sister and I mixed him up with Tom Englund whose wife sang on piano version of Hymns for the Broken.
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Yeah, you are correct, Tommy and Kobra are married and he moved to the US. So it would be a nice gig for them personally, and would be a good fit musically as well. As for Khan's wife, maybe you mean Thomas Youngblood's wife?
I wish they wrote an album without guest female singers just for the novelty of it. They could drop all the guest-spot songs from their setlist then for the tour and bust out some rare stuff, too.
Man, same. I wish they would contain guest spots to interesting tracks they aren't too likely to play live, like the bonus track "Grace" with Apollo of Firewind and "The Zodiac" with Jon Oliva. But I have a feel they're going to keep doing it, because it worked out so great for them with Simone and Amanda Sommerville, and they really hit the jackpot in terms of fan crossover with Elize and Alyssa as well. It's probably super fun for them to just not have the same people on tour all the time and make these connections.
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Yeah, you are correct, Tommy and Kobra are married and he moved to the US. So it would be a nice gig for them personally, and would be a good fit musically as well. As for Khan's wife, maybe you mean Thomas Youngblood's wife?
No, I mean Elisabeth Kjaernes, I saw her live and she's on the On the Coldest Winter Night DVD (see March of Mephisto for example, or Center of the Universe). She's Khan's wife.
Youngblood's wife was on the DVD as well, but off the top of my head I can't remember when.
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I congratulated Tommy personally on his proposal back in September :lol
Hey, you guys are free to have those opinions on not liking the revolving door of females, but it adds a level of excitement for me. I forgot to add Noora Louhimo to the list :metal but if they dropped that in favor of busting out older rarer tunes, I'd be down for that.
I do hope Kobra doesn't join Kamelot though, she may have been my least favorite of the bunch from a vocals perspective although she was super nice after the NJ show so I've got nothing against her as a person. I'll agree about not really being a fan of Alissa but her vocals are solid and she's a good performer. I stopped following her on social media a couple years ago when I felt like I just didn't really like her.
Either way, if they aren't going to change the setlists much, at least changing the singers gives some variety.
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No, I mean Elisabeth Kjaernes, I saw her live and she's on the On the Coldest Winter Night DVD (see March of Mephisto for example, or Center of the Universe). She's Khan's wife.
Wow I completely blanked out on them being married. Fun times.
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Finally we get the first video from their new concert dvd/cd/blu-ray:
KAMELOT ft. Alissa White-Gluz and Elize Ryd - Sacrimony (Official Live Video) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WvWbUgCcJw)
:metal :metal definitely plan on getting this on blu-ray
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Wow. About time they put out another concert DVD. Awesome. That is a cringe title, but boy it looks good.
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Shit. That's a nice looking film. I may be getting this one but haven't followed Kamelot since Khan left.
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Wasn't a big fan of the latest album (didn't even buy it in the end), I think I may skip this one as well.
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I've been wanting a new live DVD forever (hah) but am a little sad this is so light on Khan era stuff.
The visuals look great, but the audio seems WAY too similar to the album. For a bit I thought it was just the album with live visuals until there were minor vocal differences. But yea, VERY similar sounding to the albums which I don't like.
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I've been wanting a new live DVD forever (hah) but am a little sad this is so light on Khan era stuff.
True, but I can't fault the band for favoring the current lineup in a live setting, and if we want to reason like Mike Portnoy, you already have those older songs on the previous DVD.
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I've been wanting a new live DVD forever (hah) but am a little sad this is so light on Khan era stuff.
The visuals look great, but the audio seems WAY too similar to the album. For a bit I thought it was just the album with live visuals until there were minor vocal differences. But yea, VERY similar sounding to the albums which I don't like.
Yeah, I'm in full agreement with this.
Every time I've seen them live over the last 3 album cycles has been a fantastic show with loads of energy, but... it's just not the same with so few classics, imo. And honestly every time they play Song of Jolee I hear more chatter and noise from the audience to the point that it's hard to listen to the band. They could solve that by just playing A Sailorman's Hymn :lol
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They did not play Song for Jolee here during their Haven tour and I'm sad, it's one of my favourite Tommy-era songs.
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I've been wanting a new live DVD forever (hah) but am a little sad this is so light on Khan era stuff.
True, but I can't fault the band for favoring the current lineup in a live setting, and if we want to reason like Mike Portnoy, you already have those older songs on the previous DVD.
Eh, not really. Obviously we have a Khan era DVD, but even that one was so heavily focused on their last 2 albums. A lot of Fourth Legacy and so forth songs were ignored. I just wish they pulled out some more rare songs instead of the same old ones over and over though I obviously get why they do.
Edit: a lot of it is that 1) I don't connect with most of the Tommy stuff. I actually love Tommy and think he's the perfect singer for the band, and I really liked Silverthorn. I can enjoy the rest of it so some degree, but less and less. It's much more fun manfucatured songs than any desire to make something new. and 2) Unlike the MP stuff, they have 1 dvd. I complained when DT announced a new dvd of Scenes cause they not only already did that exact thing, but have a lot of scenes songs on multiple dvds. When a band just has 1 DVD already, the "you've already heard it" is a bit of a harder sell, especially when that live album is 14 years old, you know?
Though I am super happy with the guest musicians this time around.
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They did not play Song for Jolee here during their Haven tour and I'm sad, it's one of my favourite Tommy-era songs.
You and I are so totally opposite on so many musical things!! That's one of my least favorite Tommy-era songs :lol
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The setlist is a common complaint for the band IMO, but I don't think it's fair in regards to the DVD. It only makes sense for the songs on the new DVD with the "new" singer to focus on the music they've made with him in the band. I would love to see them play more rare songs and to include those in a potential new DVD in the future, but for this release, it's hard for me to argue against the band's set decision. Also, this show had My Confession and Under Grey Skies which have essentially become "rare" songs even though they are newer.
And I'll +1 on the sound, my first reaction was "is this even live?" until the vocals came in. Thomas is pretty sloppy live, it wouldn't surprise me if this is heavily touched up. But I still love it, been wanting to see this for a couple years now.
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No blu-ray only option for preorder? Hmmm... guess I'll have to wait and see if they have one after the release. Agree with much of the comments already.
I'll still probably buy it though.
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Oh I'm buying this day one.
I also feel like my complaints about the sound are becoming more prominent. At least of the ones I've gotten in the last few years, the sound has become so sterile and studio sounding that it defeats the purpose to me.
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At least it doesn't sound as bad as Sonata Arctica's Live in Finland. Holy crap, that is bad.
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No blu-ray only option for preorder?
I thought I saw it but you have to buy the CD/DVD/Bluray combo which I absolutely hate. I don't mind the CD and whatever video format you like, but I hate when they bundle the DVD and bluray together and jack the price a bit. Why would I need both? DVD is very much obsolete in my mind. I'm holding off on preordering anything, maybe the blu-ray only option pops up later.
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I wish they released the stuff they recorded on the Silverthorn tour, that one had much better setlists.
At least it doesn't sound as bad as Sonata Arctica's Live in Finland. Holy crap, that is bad.
I keep droning on like a broken record, but it's the stereo mix on the main show! the 5:1 sounds better, and the bonus show is great. My biggest problem with that DVD isn't the audio, but the video. Watching the main show is like trying to watch Live Scenes all over again :rollin so this at least looks good. I don't think any band DVD will ever top One Cold Winter's Night though, video or audio.
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I wish they released the stuff they recorded on the Silverthorn tour, that one had much better setlists.
At least it doesn't sound as bad as Sonata Arctica's Live in Finland. Holy crap, that is bad.
I keep droning on like a broken record, but it's the stereo mix on the main show! the 5:1 sounds better, and the bonus show is great. My biggest problem with that DVD isn't the audio, but the video. Watching the main show is like trying to watch Live Scenes all over again :rollin so this at least looks good. I don't think any band DVD will ever top One Cold Winter's Night though, video or audio.
I think they can, if only because if I recall correctly, Khan misses the beat when he comes in on Nights of Arabia. THERE IS A FLAW!! :biggrin: :biggrin:
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A flaw, vanquish it at once!!!
I'm really curious at how this is going to go for them tbh. I love Tommy and he's great but these songs don't offer him a lot of space to truly shine, and all of these guests have about 0.75% of the charisma of the previous DVD lineup (please don't kill me, I just don't like them).
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A flaw, vanquish it at once!!!
I'm really curious at how this is going to go for them tbh. I love Tommy and he's great but these songs don't offer him a lot of space to truly shine, and all of these guest have about 0.75% of the charisma of the previous DVD lineup (please don't kill me, I just don't like them).
The guests are great. Shagrath had great presence but I have no idea if I was even hearing him muddled under the tons of backing vocal tracks. The rest were some really cool girls but didn't have any special presence. I say this as someone who also holds that DVD as one of the best of any band. But I think Elize and Alissa are fantastic additions. Hopefully the Once Human girl is too but I haven't a chance to see her in a live setting.
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One Cold Winters Night is one of the best concert dvds Ive ever seen. I dont expect this to top it, I just am looking forward to a show with Tommy professionally done. It's been a long time due IMO.
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I just am looking forward to a show with Tommy professionally done. It's been a long time due IMO.
Yeah, I feel the same way, I'm just talking about the reception.
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013 was an awesome show, glad to finally see the film emerge! To me the sound is good, yes similar to the album, but it does have that live edge to it. And visually it looks great.
As for their setlist, it is obvious they are focusing on Tommy era songs, but with three albums they have a pretty good selection. The new songs are received well in the concerts and on youtube they are also doing really well, so it makes sense for them to focus on it. I agree these albums have been a bit too similar, but for a concert this selection of songs works really well.
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I'm with Adami on this one. This live album is way too polished. Maybe I'm spoiled by live albums like Alive in Athens (which may have post production work as well) but it still sounds live. Or Live at Budokan, or Score, or Rock in Rio, which I know had post production work done. Still sounds live. Dream Theater's later live albums, and even Iced Earth don't sound all that great because they silence the crowd, and just polish it too much. It defeats the purpose of a live album.
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I think that sums up Kamelot a lot since Tommy joined. Polished. Way too polished, in almost every way. There is even a Silverthorn poster on my living room wall that is hilariously airbrushed to make the guys almost look like Barbie dolls, Casey in particular. It's bad. I only haven't taken it down because I'm afraid it'll peel the paint off the walls and I'm not ready to deal with that until I move out :lol
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I would argue that Kamelot has also been too polished and sterile sounding, at least since Karma. But they at least used to be able to write killer songs and had a singer with a unique voice. Now it's like every aspect of the band is as generic as the production.
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I'm with Adami on this one. This live album is way too polished. Maybe I'm spoiled by live albums like Alive in Athens (which may have post production work as well) but it still sounds live. Or Live at Budokan, or Score, or Rock in Rio, which I know had post production work done. Still sounds live. Dream Theater's later live albums, and even Iced Earth don't sound all that great because they silence the crowd, and just polish it too much. It defeats the purpose of a live album.
With regards to Audiences not being mixed well. I'm certain the band doesn't have a mic dedicated to audience noise, more than likely the audience isn't loud enough to go through the Mics.
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I'm with Adami on this one. This live album is way too polished. Maybe I'm spoiled by live albums like Alive in Athens (which may have post production work as well) but it still sounds live. Or Live at Budokan, or Score, or Rock in Rio, which I know had post production work done. Still sounds live. Dream Theater's later live albums, and even Iced Earth don't sound all that great because they silence the crowd, and just polish it too much. It defeats the purpose of a live album.
With regards to Audiences not being mixed well. I'm certain the band doesn't have a mic dedicated to audience noise, more than likely the audience isn't loud enough to go through the Mics.
Audience mics are very common and easy. I really believe the thought process is that the fans want something identical to the album and they want to do that.
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While I agree, the band sounds too polished, listen to Elize's parts and I don't think she sounds very polished at all
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This made me look back at the last 3 albums and pick out my favorites.... but sadly in this case my 'favorites' are just the only songs I enjoy:
Vespertine
Amnesiac
Fallen Star
Insomnia
Citizen Zero
My Therapy
Sacrimony (Angel of Afterlife) (you know, the song Veil of Elysium and Phantom Divine copied bar for bar)
I think Haven is easily the best of the Tommy era... just wish they had more songs like Citizen Zero and Fallen Star and Insomnia. But Vespertine and Amnesiac are pretty awesome too. Still, I think Poetry and Ghost Opera have almost no songs I consider skippable, so I'm still baffled at how disappointing Silverthorn was.
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I think Haven is easily the best of the Tommy era... just wish they had more songs like Citizen Zero and Fallen Star and Insomnia.
Hear, hear. I love a lot that album. But the latest album sounds like "two good songs and a bunch of stuff that wasn't worth of being on Haven".
I should actually go back to it and re-evaluate it, because by now I'm completely over that record and I haven't heard it in months.
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I actually consider Silverthorn the best Tommy album and think Haven was pretty dull.
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I actually consider Silverthorn the best Tommy album and think Haven was pretty dull.
Silverthorn is easily the best with Tommy IMO. Haven and The Shadow Theory are both very similar. I would say both have good songs and bad songs. You could make a really solid album between the two, but neither stand out on their own.
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I actually consider Silverthorn the best Tommy album and think Haven was pretty dull.
This is what I think as well. Silverthorn was really good/great, Haven was a significant step down from that.
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I don't think there are really any bad songs on any of their last three albums, but some songs are too similar, with that I agree.
I'm with Adami on this one. This live album is way too polished. Maybe I'm spoiled by live albums like Alive in Athens (which may have post production work as well) but it still sounds live. Or Live at Budokan, or Score, or Rock in Rio, which I know had post production work done. Still sounds live. Dream Theater's later live albums, and even Iced Earth don't sound all that great because they silence the crowd, and just polish it too much. It defeats the purpose of a live album.
With regards to Audiences not being mixed well. I'm certain the band doesn't have a mic dedicated to audience noise, more than likely the audience isn't loud enough to go through the Mics.
Oh I am certain they used audience mics. In the trailer you can hear the crowd singing along clearly, because that is where the producers decided it was apt.
Many (most?) microphones used for performing are very capable of isolating the performers voice from crowds/stage noises. So if producers want an isolated, studioesque sound, that is an option/choice.
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What do people like about Silverthorn (favorite songs, etc.)? Genuinely curious. I don't hear anything quality on there except for Sacrimony. I think the concept really held that one back, and I even have the box edition with the hardback storybook and stuff.
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I actually consider Silverthorn the best Tommy album and think Haven was pretty dull.
This is what I think as well. Silverthorn was really good/great, Haven was a significant step down from that.
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What do people like about Silverthorn (favorite songs, etc.)? Genuinely curious. I don't hear anything quality on there except for Sacrimony. I think the concept really held that one back, and I even have the box edition with the hardback storybook and stuff.
Every song is good on this one IMO, minus the opening/closing tracks Silverthorn is probably my least favorite song and my favorites are My Confession, Veritas, Falling Like the Fahrenheit, and Sacrimony.
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What do people like about Silverthorn (favorite songs, etc.)? Genuinely curious. I don't hear anything quality on there except for Sacrimony. I think the concept really held that one back, and I even have the box edition with the hardback storybook and stuff.
Every song is good on this one IMO, minus the opening/closing tracks Silverthorn is probably my least favorite song and my favorites are My Confession, Veritas, Falling Like the Fahrenheit, and Sacrimony.
I actually think the intro is great, but yeah, the album is consistently good. The two ballads (Song for Jolee and Fahrenheit) are miles ahead of two Haven ballads for me, the power metal tracks like Sacrimony and My Confession are really good, the closer's great if a bit disjointed, Torn / Veritas / title-track are all great. The only song I'm impartial to is Ashes to Ashes.
Then again, I think Poetry for the Poisoned is the worst record of Khan-era if you discard the first two albums by far, so I think Katt and I are just not a match.
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Then again, I think Poetry for the Poisoned is the worst record of Khan-era if you discard the first two albums by far
You mean the first two Kamelot albums period? because the first two albums with Khan, Siege Perilous and especially The Fourth Legacy, are great and I rate them way above Poetry for the Poisoned (which I consider as well the worst with Khan).
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Then again, I think Poetry for the Poisoned is the worst record of Khan-era if you discard the first two albums by far
You mean the first two Kamelot albums period? because the first two albums with Khan, Siege Perilous and especially The Fourth Legacy, are great and I rate them way above Poetry for the Poisoned (which I consider as well the worst with Khan).
Right, yeah, I somehow forgot that Khan wasn't on the first two. I meant the very first two. I guess that means Poetry is just the worst of Khan-era and that's that, I also rate Siege and Fourth Legacy way above that one.
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What do people like about Silverthorn (favorite songs, etc.)? Genuinely curious. I don't hear anything quality on there except for Sacrimony. I think the concept really held that one back, and I even have the box edition with the hardback storybook and stuff.
Every song is good on this one IMO, minus the opening/closing tracks Silverthorn is probably my least favorite song and my favorites are My Confession, Veritas, Falling Like the Fahrenheit, and Sacrimony.
Same. The concept (which I know wasn't done by them, but it's one of the few "outside collab" elements I enjoy in the new era) added something to it from my point of view, but if we disregard that, Tommy's lyrics were pretty damn good, I liked the vibe, the songs were all very different from each other and a lot of them had a hint of old Kamelot. Even on Haven the songs just start sounding very samey and there's way fewer strong hooks.
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To be, subjectively, Silverthorn just felt like Kamelot trying to write a great album. After that, they noticed certain elements/types of songs got a much better live response and just started focusing on those because they wanted to please the fans. Which, to me, makes many of the songs on Haven and after fun and good sounding, but kind of empty and manufactured. I can't think of any songs from the last few albums that actually sound bad, they just sound kind of empty to me. Most of them anyway. Still fun.
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To be, subjectively, Silverthorn just felt like Kamelot trying to write a great album. After that, they noticed certain elements/types of songs got a much better live response and just started focusing on those because they wanted to please the fans. Which, to me, makes many of the songs on Haven and after fun and good sounding, but kind of empty and manufactured. I can't think of any songs from the last few albums that actually sound bad, they just sound kind of empty to me. Most of them anyway. Still fun.
I agree with a lot of that.
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I think that "manufactured", "polished", trendy element has always been there for them (or at least Thomas, Sascha and Oliver), but we notice it more now because a) they've gotten more successful in pulling it off - actually being polished, actually hitting the vibe they are surgically aiming for, and b) we're not as blue-eyed and uncynical as we were in 2005ish (for me, say, 2007-09ish but I know we have some folks who arrived even earlier). Can anyone honestly put their hand on their heart and swear The Black Halo wasn't dead on trend and carefully executed for maximum fanbase expansion back then? The only difference is that that vibe appealed to me more, and I wish some band (not Kam, they don't want it) would bring it back.
Many more bands are like that up to some extent, that's what it takes to have a career in music. But they're the first ones I noticed and so it kind of just affects how I feel about the new albums. I almost prefer to have my fave bands and artists flounder a little bit for a cycle or two because they're following some weird impulse that only they like or get. I respect John Petrucci about 10000x more for The Astonishing than for ADTOE, to use the forum home turf example.
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I agree but there's levels of degree. Black Halo was a pretty big shift from Fourth Legacy, you know?
And I think obviously every band wants to maximize their fan base. But even in interviews for the last few albums, they'll say things like "the sound you expect from us" which is where I think it tends to cross the line to manufactured. If what they want to do is inline with fan wishes...awesome. But I feel at some point they realized "fans like XYZ elements the most" and decided to make that the driving force of their writing. Might just be me. I dunno.
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After losing Khan, I think it was a no brainer to try and please fans similar to DT's ADTOE IMO
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I think that "manufactured", "polished", trendy element has always been there for them (or at least Thomas, Sascha and Oliver), but we notice it more now because a) they've gotten more successful in pulling it off - actually being polished, actually hitting the vibe they are surgically aiming for, and b) we're not as blue-eyed and uncynical as we were in 2005ish (for me, say, 2007-09ish but I know we have some folks who arrived even earlier). Can anyone honestly put their hand on their heart and swear The Black Halo wasn't dead on trend and carefully executed for maximum fanbase expansion back then? The only difference is that that vibe appealed to me more, and I wish some band (not Kam, they don't want it) would bring it back.
Well, I can't speak for others, but for me - yes! And even if was, as we say, manufactured for that, it has the musical beef to stand up to those criticisms; there is an adventure and inspiration in most of that record that I just don't hear in the newer stuff. Even in 2005, The Black Halo was head and shoulders above many other bands playing power metal or trying to do concept albums. The Black Halo is what elevated the band to a higher level. I'm not even a big fan of that record compared to most Kamelot fans and I can see why it has the legacy it does. I honestly don't believe the 'manufactured, polished' criticisms apply to Kamelot prior to Khan leaving the band. There was a fundamental shift in approach from the band - to its music, to its audience, to the glossiness of their videos - that wasn't present before then. It's not Tommy's fault; I'd say it's more Thomas and Oliver, as they're the two main songwriters. But they found a formula that works. Every lead single for the last 3 albums has followed an identical template, the meter, the melodic contours, the string patterns, it's all formulaic. Whereas Karma, Epica, TBH, Ghost Opera, Poetry all had variety in their singles and aesthetics. There was diversity, something that is lacking from this new era of the band, for whatever reasons that might be.
And it's hard to blame them, because they're at a level of success where although they're not doing arenas, they tend to sell out or do very well every time they roll through the country, which is a lot. They're a well-oiled machine and they have to keep it going, but for me, it's come at the cost of inventive, compelling art, especially since Oliver hasn't done anything with Sons of Seasons since Henning left, and I'll take Magnisphyricon over the last 3 Kamelot albums in a heartbeat (and it sounds very Kamelot-y at times, too).
Sorry, I just had my first coffee in several weeks, and my mind is racing. :lol :lol
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They're a well-oiled machine and they have to keep it going, but for me, it's come at the cost of inventive, compelling art
Totally agree. I think this goes back to Khan leaving. Poetry had it's own style and sound to it, and while I rank it my least favorite Khan record, it still shows they were expanding their sound and trying new things. Since Khan left, it shook the band. I mean, this is Thomas' main job and I think he probably felt his future was not looking so bright so to save it, you find someone who can do the Khan stuff justice and go back to your core sound that you know will make your fan base happy and it worked. I think Kamelot are more popular today than when Khan was in the band and it may be because they are catering to the mass crowd of followers.
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I honestly don't believe the 'manufactured, polished' criticisms apply to Kamelot prior to Khan leaving the band. There was a fundamental shift in approach from the band - to its music, to its audience, to the glossiness of their videos - that wasn't present before then.
Really, you don't think the video of The Haunting is a '05 version of Sacrimony? :) then again, I do agree that the music back then brought a lot that I am now lacking.
Adami, you're really not the only one. Bands do say that a lot in interviews, they reach full circle moments and "refocus on who they are" and after album six or seven it makes sense to just start saying "well, we wanted to give the fans a really good Iron Maiden album and give them what they want". But the difference is that a lot of them still surprise you with some changes that aren't advertised and with Kamelot, it really is exactly what it says on the tin.
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While we all chat about this, I do believe they are working on new music. Maybe they will be more inspired this time to do something a bit more out of their shell.
I also think Seventh Wonder is working on a new album. I'd love to see Tommy get used a bit more in Kamelot like he is in Seventh Wonder. Maybe working on both in a similar time frame will bring out new ideas.
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I think many artists would love being able to play mostly new(er) songs and have their most succesful tours doing that, with good crowd reception, 25 years into their career. I think that definitely plays a part in their approach. They have caught a new, relatively young fanbase in recent years (at least in Europe) and they are building up a repetoire that aligns with that crowd, as well in maintaining a selection of old school classics. And I don't blame them for that approach. Their day to day job mostly is touring, not making albums, after all.
That said, while they are going for a similar direction, they most definitely put effort into their works and I also think they enjoy making this music and especially enjoy playing it live. They are great musicians and it shows in my opinion.
In general I do agree with Adami here:
To be, subjectively, Silverthorn just felt like Kamelot trying to write a great album. After that, they noticed certain elements/types of songs got a much better live response and just started focusing on those because they wanted to please the fans. Which, to me, makes many of the songs on Haven and after fun and good sounding, but kind of empty and manufactured. I can't think of any songs from the last few albums that actually sound bad, they just sound kind of empty to me. Most of them anyway. Still fun.
I guess am a bit more positive in the sense that I do really enjoy the last two albums, but I also would love fresher sounding material in their upcoming album.
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I'll join Katt in Team Haven. Definitely my favourite of the Tommy era, quite comfortably.
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I think the band perhaps understandably played it too safe on 'Shadow Theory'. When Khan left the others must have wondered how things would be. 'Silverthorn' proved the fan base remained loyal and 'Haven' went on to be their biggest seller yet. 'Shadow Theory' feels like they wanted to try a replicate that success again basically by making Haven Part 2, but it didn't work out like that critics and fans have generally said it's a lazy album and the sales didn't reach Haven levels. Maybe on the next album they'll be hungry again.
On saying all that I actually don't mind Shadow Theory - yeah it's deriative, and not one of their stronger releases, but it's still the Kamalot sound I enjoy, and Vespertine as a stellar tune! The band Serenity (who sound a lot like Kamalot) recently released 'The Last Knight' album which is very similar to Shadow Theory in that it's a very by the numbers Power Metal album, a quite enjoy that too.
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I saw Serenity opening for Rage last February, one of the two concerts I've seen this year (the other was DT). The singer is more than awesome live, he's nailing all the songs, and in an alternate universe where Tommy doesn't exist, he could have been Khan's replacement.
I'm not overly familiar with Serenity's output, but the songs they played live were good. I assume it's one of those bands where if you pull the three-four best songs of the last three-four albums, you have a completely stellar album.
My Kingdom Come, a song from the last album, seems definitively in the Veil of Elysium / Sacrimony territory.
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Saw Serenity as a special guest opener for Kamelot, and that was a great night to have them as a combo.
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I think the band perhaps understandably played it too safe on 'Shadow Theory'. When Khan left the others must have wondered how things would be. 'Silverthorn' proved the fan base remained loyal and 'Haven' went on to be their biggest seller yet. 'Shadow Theory' feels like they wanted to try a replicate that success again basically by making Haven Part 2, but it didn't work out like that critics and fans have generally said it's a lazy album and the sales didn't reach Haven levels. Maybe on the next album they'll be hungry again.
On saying all that I actually don't mind Shadow Theory - yeah it's deriative, and not one of their stronger releases, but it's still the Kamalot sound I enjoy, and Vespertine as a stellar tune! The band Serenity (who sound a lot like Kamalot) recently released 'The Last Knight' album which is very similar to Shadow Theory in that it's a very by the numbers Power Metal album, a quite enjoy that too.
Your Star Trek opinions make so much more sense now. :rollin
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I'm not overly familiar with Serenity's output, but the songs they played live were good. I assume it's one of those bands where if you pull the three-four best songs of the last three-four albums, you have a completely stellar album.
I'd personally say they are better than that. Their second album (Fallen Sanctuary) though to their sixth (Lionheart) are all very strong choc full of great tunes. As I said the most recent release is a little derivative but still decent - if you enjoy Kamelot they are well worth checking out.
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Your Star Trek opinions make so much more sense now. :rollin
Haha!
We appear to be fans of the same things - for completely different reasons.
Picard > Ent :loser:
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Your Star Trek opinions make so much more sense now. :rollin
Haha!
We appear to be fans of the same things - for completely different reasons.
Picard > Ent :loser:
Had to go and ruin that at the end didn't ya!
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Your Star Trek opinions make so much more sense now. :rollin
Haha!
We appear to be fans of the same things - for completely different reasons.
Picard > Ent :loser:
Had to go and ruin that at the end didn't ya!
Whoa! Just been reading some of this thread from the start - and what's this, we have some common ground! (providing your opinion hasn't changed in nearly 10 years). Neither of us hold Ghost Opera in high regard - for me it's the weakest Kamelot album outside of the pre Khan ones. With this and your views on Disco season 2, we could yet become friends!
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But Ghost Opera rules!
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But Ghost Opera rules!
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Get out! Soup and I are chilling.
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oh ok (https://i.imgur.com/wHa3dNC.gif)
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oh ok (https://i.imgur.com/wHa3dNC.gif)
Come back when you like Silverthorn!
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oh ok (https://i.imgur.com/wHa3dNC.gif)
Come back when you like Silverthorn!
well everyone it was nice knowing you but I am off to the Undying Lands, never to return
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But Ghost Opera rules!
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First the album pisses me right off by putting it's best song as a Japanese bonus track. 'Season's End' is not only the best song of the session it's one of my fav Kamelot songs period. The other issue is for me of the songs that made the album there are no great ones - no Tier A Kamelot material. Rule The World, Human Stain, Ghost Opera and Love You To Death are all good songs, solid Tier B, but (without Season's End) the album lacks a real standout song. Then there are 3 songs in a row on the second half of the album that are just bland - Ashes, Mourning Star and Silence of the Darkness - totally forgettable songs, even the other bonus song 'Pendulous Fall' is better than those. And as a personal aside I know it's quite a popular song with the fans but 'Anthem' is one of the few Kamelot songs I actively dislike.
So yeah it's the weakest one for me. Replace Anthem and one of those bland songs with Season's End and Pendulous and it would probably move above Fourth, Poetry and Shadow Theory. In hindsight I think it's actually better than Seige already, I forgot about that album when I said it's the worst pre Khan one.
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Is this what it feels like when I tell people Poetry is actually factually the #1 best Kamelot album? :lol
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Is this what it feels like when I tell people Poetry is actually factually the #1 best Kamelot album? :lol
It's an interesting claim, and much like the gif I can't help but admire the boldness!
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Yea, I really like the bonus tracks Seasons End and Pendulous Fall, those being on Ghost Opera would have really elevated it. I think it's a solid album, but not their best. I'd love for them to have Tommy sing Seasons End and EdenEcho (again? I feel like he might have sung them before but ive never seen either)
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My fav song off ghost opera? The weird electronic remix of rule the world.
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I'm not sure I've ever listened to Ghost Opera all the way through. Usually after Love You To Death, I'm so bored, I turn it off. Kamelot played in my tiny little hometown of New Port Richey, Florida, which both baffled and excited me. I had the Ghost Opera tour shirt, and wore it all the time, but damn, that album is such a slog. It doesn't help either that there's an extra second pause between songs. Poetry is worse, and Khan checked out at that point. I like both Silverthorn and Haven, but Shadow Theory was another miss.
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Khan sounds fantastic on Poetry :getoffmylawn:
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Khan sounds fine, he was not the issue with that album (for me, as someone who thinks it's Khan's worst with the band). I mean, So Long is so damn good thanks to Khan and Simone, but the problem is the song writing on that one.
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Poetry has more consistently good songwriting than TBH imo! AND a better interlude (Dear Editor)! :lol okay I'll give it a rest hahaha
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Poetry has more consistently good songwriting than TBH imo! AND a better interlude (Dear Editor)! :lol okay I'll give it a rest hahaha
Did you eat paint chips as a kid?
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Poetry has more consistently good songwriting than TBH imo! AND a better interlude (Dear Editor)! :lol okay I'll give it a rest hahaha
You okay? You can talk to me. Im a professional.
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Everyone who just forced me to read half a page of Ghost Opera slander can go straight to hell.
Dear Editor
Okay but Dear Editor + The Zodiac is a section of the album that genuinely slaps.
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Poetry has more consistently good songwriting than TBH imo! AND a better interlude (Dear Editor)! :lol okay I'll give it a rest hahaha
You okay? You can talk to me. Im a professional.
:getoffmylawn:
Poetry has more consistently good songwriting than TBH imo! AND a better interlude (Dear Editor)! :lol okay I'll give it a rest hahaha
Did you eat paint chips as a kid?
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This topic made me re-visit Kamelot's complete discography and I just finished it. While Tommy is a great vocalist and has a great voice, I think Khan's delivery is miles ahead compared to Tommy's delivery. Not sure how to describe it but Khan delivers a palette of tonalities with his voice. I think for me that's the main difference. I'm listening to Conception's newest album and Khan's delivery is just amazing. The last track, Feathered Moves...don't tell me that Tommy can sing that like Khan. While I agree that Kamelot's music has become formulaic (and many of you touched on great points), I think the vocal delivery is weak. Again, not saying that Tommy is a bad vocalist, but his delivery is a bit pale...stale...not sure how to describe it. But I just feel the music more with Khan singing that with Tommy.
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This topic made me re-visit Kamelot's complete discography and I just finished it. While Tommy is a great vocalist and has a great voice, I think Khan's delivery is miles ahead compared to Tommy's delivery. Not sure how to describe it but Khan delivers a palette of tonalities with his voice. I think for me that's the main difference. I'm listening to Conception's newest album and Khan's delivery is just amazing. The last track, Feathered Moves...don't tell me that Tommy can sing that like Khan. While I agree that Kamelot's music has become formulaic (and many of you touched on great points), I think the vocal delivery is weak. Again, not saying that Tommy is a bad vocalist, but his delivery is a bit pale...stale...not sure how to describe it. But I just feel the music more with Khan singing that with Tommy.
I love Tommy but he has a much more...traditional? voice compared to Roy. Roy had just such a uniquely expressive voice.
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Roy Khan was unique and irreplaceable. And yet I think that with Tommy they managed the impossible, to replace an irreplaceable singer. I'm totally on board with him and while he can't replicate Khan, his voice fits perfectly the music and I'm 100% happy with him.
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Khan's just on another level with his vocal ability and style. Even on the One Cold Winter's Night DVD, the emotion expressed in his face while singing is on another level. Having said that, I pretty much agree with MirrorMask, he gets the job done regardless.
goo, have you listened to Seventh Wonder? Tommy's vocals are way more interesting there.
While I have not been able to really enjoy Concepcion, I was (and still am although 2021 is so far away) really looking forward to getting to see Khan perform in person.
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goo, have you listened to Seventh Wonder? Tommy's vocals are way more interesting there.
Yeah, Seventh Wonder is to Tommy what Kam was to Khan, a place to just let everything out emotionally. He's very conscious of who he's replacing and it makes him sing things differently in Kam than in SW.
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goo, have you listened to Seventh Wonder? Tommy's vocals are way more interesting there.
Yeah, Seventh Wonder is to Tommy what Kam was to Khan, a place to just let everything out emotionally. He's very conscious of who he's replacing and it makes him sing things differently in Kam than in SW.
Hes also said he makes sure to only write vocal parts in Kamelot that he can do live without much issue.
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goo, have you listened to Seventh Wonder? Tommy's vocals are way more interesting there.
Yeah, Seventh Wonder is to Tommy what Kam was to Khan, a place to just let everything out emotionally. He's very conscious of who he's replacing and it makes him sing things differently in Kam than in SW.
I always kind of figured it was Thomas keeping him a bit chained down, trying to keep him sounding like Khan and not letting him loose. I do really hope they let Tommy show off more of his chops on the next album. When I saw Seventh Wonder live last fall at ProgPower, the band wasn't the best live. Some noticeable timing mistakes and whatnot. No big deal, I know they aren't a full time touring band, but Tommy still sounded absolutely amazing doing all those vocal spots. Makes me really feel he is underutilized in Kamelot. Kind of reminds me of Floor in Nightwish as well. They both perform the music that's called for well enough, but neither are really let loose to show off their greatest talents.
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Honestly I think Tommy sounds great in Kamelot. As much as I enjoy his Seventh Wonder work, more vocal runs and constant switching is not something I necessarily want in Kamelot songs. I think his voice suits the Kamelot style very well. He sings with conviction/emotion and adds little details here and there that I love about his vocals. But, again, part of the problem for some is that too many songs are similar, including the vocal melodies.
I also have seen Tommy struggle with Seventh Wonder songs live and wonder how well sustainable those vocals are for long and intensive touring tbh. It is the type of top of the range singing that is be at your best or bust. (No dig btw, because there is plenty of footage that shows him being great).
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As much as I enjoy his Seventh Wonder work, more vocal runs and constant switching is not something I necessarily want in Kamelot songs.
Yeah, that's true. I was more thinking of what goes into the music, not necessarily the style of singing or the range. Kamelot is a band where he sings and writes vocal melodies/lyrics and has a role to play based on their extensive body of work that was in place before him. Seventh Wonder is where he sings and writes vocal melodies/lyrics and leaves a piece of his soul. Plus there is no "how am I going to pull this off for years on tour"-considerations, because they weren't really a touring band even before he joined Kamelot.
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Gave a spin to The Shadow Theory today... it's like I remembered it, it left me a bit meh with sparkles here and there of Kamelot brilliance.
Phantom Divine was one of my favorite but geez, hearing it now after some time the copycat syndrome is strong with this one. Nightwish have that Dark Chest of Wonders / Storytime / Noise thing, Kamelot have this Sacrimony / Veil of Elysium thing that doesn't certainly get better with Phantom Divine.
Burn to Embrace is probably the best song on the album.
I forgot how nice was In Twilight Hours.
Static and Kevlar Skin are quite good also. Not the strong songs to carry an album obviously, but I find them cool.
The rest I already forgot what it sounds like. Maybe Vespertine is okay-ish but starts better than how it evolves.
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I gave Poetry a spin today and couldn't finish it. There are good songs but overall yeah, not going to go back to this one.
I'm not even going to bother with The Shadow Theory again.
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I think, for me, albums like Haven and Shadow Theory (terrible name by the way) are like enjoyable but disposable food.
If Haven or Shadow Theory happens to come on my rotation, I'll listen...I'll mostly enjoy....then I'll just move on and forget most of what just happened.
I'm never like "damn, I really want to listen to Shadow Theory" but if it's on, it's fun.
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Come day, come night, my Evermind
Is hating on Poetry~ :getoffmylawn:
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Gave a spin to The Shadow Theory today... it's like I remembered it, it left me a bit meh with sparkles here and there of Kamelot brilliance.
Phantom Divine was one of my favorite but geez, hearing it now after some time the copycat syndrome is strong with this one. Nightwish have that Dark Chest of Wonders / Storytime / Noise thing, Kamelot have this Sacrimony / Veil of Elysium thing that doesn't certainly get better with Phantom Divine.
Burn to Embrace is probably the best song on the album.
I forgot how nice was In Twilight Hours.
Static and Kevlar Skin are quite good also. Not the strong songs to carry an album obviously, but I find them cool.
The rest I already forgot what it sounds like. Maybe Vespertine is okay-ish but starts better than how it evolves.
I actually think Kevlar Skin is the best song of the album., followed by Burns to Embrace.
And yes, that Nightwish comparison is apt.
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I'm a fan of Burns to Embrace.
Honestly still think The Proud and The Broken is maybe the best song on the album. I feel like it's the most interesting and only time they tried something a bit different than the last couple albums. It doesn't immediately catch you like Sacrimony :cough: I mean Phantom Divine but it's a real solid closer to the album that gives the album a little more depth.
Vespertine has grown on me. I didn't love it initially, but seeing it live made me enjoy it more and I find it to be a fun song now. I happened to be there when they live debut it in the Netherlands and I wanted to record it but dropped my camera :lol I did capture a few other songs though, but thought them playing that for the first time was not only shocking in the moment, but a cool first live performance to capture. Oh well, someone else got it :tup
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I've heard also Haven for the first time in forever.
There were no "eh, now that I have some distance I can see why these songs are meh". It's still an album I love start to finish :metal my favorite by far with Tommy, and I don't expect an eventual relistening of Sliverthorn to change my mind.
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My ranking, because ranking is phun.
1. The Black Halo.
The Classic. One of my favorite albums of all time.
2. Silverthorn.
3. Epica.
4. Karma.
5. Haven.
All these albums are great.
6. Poetry
7. Shadow Theory
8. Forth Legacy
9. Ghost Opera.
These albums are pretty good, but generally are patchy.
10. Siege.
Listenable.
11 & 12. Eternity & Dominion.
Not listenable.
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I can't really order them, but I'll divide them like this:
ORIGINAL SINGER, SORRY GUY FOR NOT REMEMBERING YOUR NAME... MARK VANDERBILT MAYBE?
Meh, both are expendable.
KHAN: A synusoid. From Seige Perilous to Epica, each album was better than the previous; from The Black Halo to Poetry to the Poisoned, each album was worse than the previous. "Worse" does not mean "it sucks", it means I liked the previous one little better.
TOMMY: Haven >> Silverthorn and The Shadow Theory.
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My ranking, because ranking is phun.
1. The Black Halo.
The Classic. One of my favorite albums of all time.
2. Silverthorn.
3. Epica.
4. Karma.
5. Haven.
All these albums are great.
6. Poetry
7. Shadow Theory
8. Forth Legacy
9. Ghost Opera.
These albums are pretty good, but generally are patchy.
10. Siege.
Listenable.
11 & 12. Eternity & Dominion.
Not listenable.
Same top 5. And 6-9 I'd swap Ghost Opera with Poetry (and then make a "boring but somehow a bit interesting as well" subcategory for number 9, Poetry). First Kahn record is fine but nothing more for me. Their first two albums are unpleasant to listen to indeed.
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I've heard also Haven for the first time in forever.
There were no "eh, now that I have some distance I can see why these songs are meh". It's still an album I love start to finish :metal my favorite by far with Tommy, and I don't expect an eventual relistening of Sliverthorn to change my mind.
I confirm it, I finished my Tommy-era recollection and Silverthorn is middle of the road for me.
Sacrimony and Veritas stand a notch above everything else, top of the top and big classics (even if everyone seem to have forgotten about Veritas).
The rest ranges from just good / okayish (Fahreneit, Jolee) to "I heard it 2 hours ago and I can't remember the songs already". But the chorus of Prodigal Son is cool at least.
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Torn / Veritas / title-track are all great
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I confirm it, I finished my Tommy-era recollection and Silverthorn is middle of the road for me.
Sacrimony and Veritas stand a notch above everything else, top of the top and big classics (even if everyone seem to have forgotten about Veritas).
The rest ranges from just good / okayish (Fahreneit, Jolee) to "I heard it 2 hours ago and I can't remember the songs already". But the chorus of Prodigal Son is cool at least.
Silverthorn and Haven are full of 7&8/10 songs, and it's that consistancy that makes the albums so enjoyable for me. I give the edge to Silverthorn because 2 of the 3 standout tracks across those two albums come from Silverthorn (Sacrimony and Veritas) I also think Jolee is slightly better than both ballads on Haven and my final reason is Revolution is the weakest track (weakest Tommy era track i'd go as far to say) not outright bad or anything, just one I sometimes skip.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUf6_L8Wyt0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUf6_L8Wyt0)
Phantom Divine from the live album :metal
I placed my preorder for the cd/dvd/blu-ray. One thing that kind of stinks about this live video though... Alestorm released a live video from the same venue with a much more wild crowd. Kind of makes this crowd look way too tame for a power metal show, especially for the opening song of the show and the packed venue is just standing there until Tommy has to say raise your hands :lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUf6_L8Wyt0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUf6_L8Wyt0)
Phantom Divine from the live album :metal
I placed my preorder for the cd/dvd/blu-ray. One thing that kind of stinks about this live video though... Alestorm released a live video from the same venue with a much more wild crowd. Kind of makes this crowd look way too tame for a power metal show, especially for the opening song of the show and the packed venue is just standing there until Tommy has to say raise your hands :lol
Honestly, having seen both there, Alestorm is much more of a party band with people running around, dressed as pirates and all. The second time I saw them in 013 I could barely hear the music Alestorm was playing (unfortunately), but a party it was nonetheless.
Kamelot is a different experience, but I can say the crowd was very much into it, as I was at this concert recording. Can't say I think the crowd is dead here (I was in the back, so it isn't on me if they are!).
And I will say it is suuuuper common for vocalists to shout "scream/jump/clap/put your hand in the air" etc.
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Oh I understand all that, doesn't mean it's still a bland crowd for a concert DVD. I recall the band asking people not to use their phones for this, which looks like the crowd followed with, but I thought that might mean a more energetic crowd and not ONLY when the singer asks for it. I actually recall this from my Kamelot concert in Nijmegan. Everyone just standing there until Tommy said put your hands up and then EVERYONE did. I always thought that was kind of funny how you can tell everyone is into it because they listen, but also aren't very actively displaying that interest. I have no doubt the crowd was enjoying the performance, it's just a bit harder to read especially when you compare it to the party band.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUf6_L8Wyt0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUf6_L8Wyt0)
Phantom Divine from the live album :metal
I placed my preorder for the cd/dvd/blu-ray. One thing that kind of stinks about this live video though... Alestorm released a live video from the same venue with a much more wild crowd. Kind of makes this crowd look way too tame for a power metal show, especially for the opening song of the show and the packed venue is just standing there until Tommy has to say raise your hands :lol
Is Veil of Elysium gonna be released next. :yarr
All I can say is Alestorm put out some fun as hell energy in their shows. It's the Pirate Metal that gives it this vibe of being on a party boat with pirates. It's a way different type of show experience I have yet to be seen replicated, meaning the vibe and energy of the music and crowd intertwined.
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Yea, its not a direct comparison, but both fall into the power metal genre. Alestorm definitely brings a bigger pit and more energetic show, but Kamelot can do that too. Their music is definitely pit worthy IMO, but even at my own local shows, I don't typically see them for Kamelot, but in NYC I feel like the crowd is more into it than the Netherlands. Also, I only used the comparison because it's the same venue released in the same year so I found some similarities. It's not totally an apples to apples comparison so I admit it's a bit flawed, but I just like to see a wild crowd with a live release and on the intro track, it seems a bit lacking so that's just my opinion on how I feel about it.
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I've been somewhat "blah" on the last three Kamelot albums. Some songs really grab me, but the albums just feel so samey. It's like i can plug any song from any record into one of the other albums and it would fit. I tend to go back to the Khan albums more than the ones with Tommy, and I never really even got into The Shadow Theory.
But I ordered the new live set that came out on Friday, since I still enjoy the records and One Cold Winters Night is one of my favorite live shows. I'm a few songs in and absolutely loving it. They have a nice stage production, and it is such an energetic performance. Sean Tibbits really injected some energy into the band, and I'm not missing Casey at all (aside from watching him twirl his sticks at all times). Tommy handles the old songs so well, even though there are only 6 Khan-era songs in the set for this show. 12 of 18 songs are from their new albums, which I give them huge props for doing, even though I just want to hear my old, favorite tunes.
The visual and audio quality is absolutely perfect as well. This one is definitely worth the money!
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Nice! I'm still waiting for my preorder...
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Ordered it, looking forward to reliving this excellent show.
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Nice! I'm still waiting for my preorder...
Just got notice it'll be shipping soon (finally) so I should have it next week I think.
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Watched it today.
Its fine. Some really cool moments but mostly just boring. I dunno why. Everyone has energy but between the songs themselves and the sterile production, I just felt very little during this.
Also I hope they move on from their current phase. I know they wont and will drive the cold dark dystopian thing into the ground but I really hope they start exploring new grounds.
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Also I hope they move on from their current phase. I know they wont and will drive the cold dark dystopian thing into the ground but I really hope they start exploring new grounds.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/kamelot-has-25-songs-for-next-studio-album/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/kamelot-has-25-songs-for-next-studio-album/)
In a new interview with A&P Reacts, Thomas Youngblood spoke about the progress of the songwriting sessions for KAMELOT's follow-up to 2018's "The Shadow Theory" album. The guitarist said (see video below): "We have, actually, 25 songs right now, which has never happened never. So now we have to kill a lot of darlings for this album, which sucks. Actually, I have a Zoom call today with Tommy [Karevik, vocals] and Oliver [Palotai, keyboards]. We're gonna be discussing that very fact. 'Cause we have to focus on 12, 13 songs. So, yeah, we have more material than ever. Some really cool stuff. I think a lot of what fans expect, but also a lot of cool new surprises."
Interesting that they have so much music for the next album, but that last line makes me think it won't be too much different. However, that will really make me wonder about the songs that get cut because I'd bet those are the most different from the previous albums. Hopefully I am wrong as I really don't want a third album of the same songs.
I'm still waiting on my pre-order too... I don't think I'll be buying directly from Napalm again. Poor communication in my customer support ticket to track my order.
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Finally got my preorder... and am immediately disappointed there is no 5.1 mix on the blu ray. Like who releases a live video in 2020 without a surround sound mix?
I watched the bonus footage of the NA tour and was unimpressed. While bonus, it was completely meaningless and boring even though it was mostly clips from their NYC show I was at.
Time to watch the actual show now.
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Watched the whole concert last night, some songs multiple times. So the audio definitely doesn't feel live at all besides the vocals, and there's like no bass or keyboards in the mix. I'm not a fan of the sound of this. I will say, it is pretty well done visually for the most part other than lots of really odd editing decisions at times. I think I could have cut this better to be honest, but the video quality is pretty good for the blu-ray. At least they took advantage of that for a blu-ray, not having surround sound is a HUGE bummer. That plus the video quality is what makes watching these professional concerts so engaging on a home theater.
I actually really like the Roy songs with Tommy. It's nice to have a recorded version of these. I don't think those songs are better here than they are on One Cold WInter's Night, but they are representative of what the band is now and I can enjoy that for what it is.
Liar Liar, My Confession, Under Grey Skies may be my favorite tracks from this. Even March of Mephisto (a song I feel is overplayed at this point) came off really well overall. Here's to the Fall with all the phones out had one of the best visuals of the concert.
Having Sascha on Ravenlight was sooo similar to him being on Moonlight which was kind of a cool nugget. The children were a bit awkward for Burns to Embrace but it was still cool.
In the end, it's a solid video overall, but the sound really weighs it down a bit from making it feel live.
I do hope it's not another 14 years before another live album though, they do put on a fun show.
Oh, I feel a bit bad for Lauren Hart. She toured with them the entire time but was barely featured in the video because of all the guests :lol thought there were more opportunities to use her that were missed.
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That's what I feared. Visually it looks slick, but it doesn't sound live or organic at all based on the clips. Sad to hear that.
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I think it sounds just fine - you can definitely tell it's live, like the guitar on Rule The World. Thomas plays that just a little different than the studio, where there's a tiny bit of stop/start to the riff, but then riff flows more when they play it live. The keys are definitely audible in that song, and I think in Insomnia too. I'd have to go back and re-listen, but I never found any complaints with the mix.
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Just got this and watched the whole concert. It's sold overall, Kamelot is always a good live band and this is no different. Tommy is my favorite Metal vocalist gong right now. I agree with others in that it doesn't sound totally organic. My only complaint is that the keys and Bass are at times buried in the mix, kinda like One Cold Winters Night, Thomas guitar is so upfront which is cool but damn turn the Bass up a bit.
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I spun it on Spotify yesterday, and it was pleasant enough. Extremely unlikely I'm buying it though. I could just fire all these studio versions on to the playlist, and get essentially the same output.
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How does such an awful sound come from something as gorgeous as Allssa White Gluz? :omg: :biggrin:
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How does such an awful sound come from something as gorgeous as Allssa White Gluz? :omg: :biggrin:
Must be her ugliness on the inside.
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How does such an awful sound come from something as gorgeous as Allssa White Gluz? :omg: :biggrin:
Must be her ugliness on the inside.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/XE0sbm3Hr0G2kHQilp/giphy.gif)
:lol
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:rollin
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Tommy did an interview (https://youtu.be/IwD54IcZgzo) with Elizabeth Zharoff of The Charismatic Voice (reaction YouTube channel run by an opera singer/vocal coach). As is usually the case with her interviews, they went into a lot of detail about the behind-the-scenes of singing and songwriting, which is definitely interesting to me even as a non-singer. Starting at about the 50 minute mark, they discuss Tommy's experience taking over for Roy Khan: how much in-depth research he did on Roy's singing and songwriting style, how he developed more of his own style in Kamelot later on, and how the experience of singing Roy's material influenced his own singing style. He also talks about the challenge of writing material in Kamelot's darker (compared to Seventh Wonder) style.
There's also a little bit on the new album, which Tommy apparently finished recording right before the sessions for the upcoming Seventh Wonder album started, but he's pretty cagey about a release date for it, pretty much only committing to the album coming out before spring 2023.
They also talk about Seventh Wonder (which is why I also posted in that thread), including some information about the sessions and the concept for that album, which is coming out next month.
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Tommy Karevik posted this on his FB page...
US and Canada! Something big is brewing... It's been too long... I am excited👊
#fall2023 #markyourcalendars #kamelotlive #symphonicmetal #progressivemetal
#EzRepost @kamelotofficial with @repostigapp
KamFans US and Canada, how is your Fall 2023 schedule?
#legionofkamelot #lok #KamelotNA2023
#kamelot #kamelotnation #thomasyoungblood #seantibbetts #alexlandenburg #tommykarevik #oliverpalotai #kamelotmusic
I will definitely try and make a show for this.
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Yeah no surprise, once they were announced for Progpower next September I figured they'd have a full tour of the US at that time. Hopefully it lines up I can do both my local and Progpower shows.
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I like all 3 Tommy albums but they have got progressively weaker in my opinion, be nice for that trend to stop.
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I like all 3 Tommy albums but they have got progressively weaker in my opinion, be nice for that trend to stop.
Hey! We agree!
Even if I dont really like the bulk of the last two tommy albums
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Silverthorn was definitely the best of the three, but I think the other two are close to one another in quality. IMO, Haven has both higher highs and lower lows, while The Shadow Theory is consistently pretty good.
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Silverthorn was definitely the best of the three, but I think the other two are close to one another in quality. IMO, Haven has both higher highs and lower lows, while The Shadow Theory is consistently pretty good.
Id call the last two bucks highly mediocre with a few highlights.
I think the major issue for me is redundancy. If you played a song from fourth legacy through black halo, I can tell what albums theyre on. But the last few are so similar that they blur together and any song can be from any album and wont make a difference.
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Shadow Theory felt very much like Haven pt 2. Am I right in thinking Haven was their most successful album? If so probably explains why they tried to replicate the sound again.
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Silverthorn to me was the first step in a new direction (with a new singer of course), a stepping stone to Haven which I like very very much and it's probably the best since Epica.
Shadow Theory as soupy said felt just like more of the same and I already forgotten all about it.
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I like all 3 Tommy albums but they have got progressively weaker in my opinion, be nice for that trend to stop.
I also agree with this. If I recall, they wrote a lot of music for the next album so while I'm sure a lot gets cut, I'm hoping there's a good amount of diversity.
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Can't wait to hear new songs like Obsidian Memory, Cathartic Suicide, The Imperial Abstraction or whatever random words they decide to throw together that sound vaguely dystopian.
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:lol
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I am gonna give the Tommy albums more of a listen. I am still unsure about ProgPower. But I really would go just to see Kamelot. There's some bands on this years line-up I wouldn't mind seeing, but also, I am not really that into them.
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I think this year's progpower line up is more up my alley than last year's. I'm fairly sure Kamelot will be in NYC since they liked my comment on IG about hoping for a NYC show.
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I actually thought that Shadow Theory was the best of the three. The two before it I didn't care for at all.
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I think this year's progpower line up is more up my alley than last year's. I'm fairly sure Kamelot will be in NYC since they liked my comment on IG about hoping for a NYC show.
Just looked up the lineup. I always like seeing Kamelot, and I'd love to see Ad Infintium and Myrath and maybe Unleash the Archers, but that's about it. It'd be cool if Ad Infinitum toured with Kamelot and Melissa could be their screamer/singer too.
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Add delain amd Caligulas horse to your list and that's mostly mine too but there's others I'd check out or still need to listen to to get to know. They haven't announced Day 1 but the Day 2 line up is also solid with Beast in Black and Vola.
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Add delain amd Caligulas horse to your list and that's mostly mine too but there's others I'd check out or still need to listen to to get to know. They haven't announced Day 1 but the Day 2 line up is also solid with Beast in Black and Vola.
Seven Kingdoms aren't bad, quite similar to Unleash the Archers.
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Yeah, I think they are very similar and I have their latest album signed from the crowd funding. I think they are opening day 2.
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Hey! We agree!
Scary thing is a love all the band's you mentioned below :omg:
Just looked up the lineup. I always like seeing Kamelot, and I'd love to see Ad Infintium and Myrath and maybe Unleash the Archers, but that's about it. It'd be cool if Ad Infinitum toured with Kamelot and Melissa could be their screamer/singer too.
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Can't wait to hear new songs like Obsidian Memory, Cathartic Suicide, The Imperial Abstraction or whatever random words they decide to throw together that sound vaguely dystopian.
:rollin
Which one of them will continue the style of Sacrimony / Veil of Elysum / Whatever song from the last album copied these last two (probably Phantom Divine)? similar to how Nightwish have the "Dark Chest of Wonders riff" style song on every album since Once :D
(And for the record, The Imperial Abstraction sounds totally like a legit intro track)
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Phantom Divine is the Sacrimony track, yes. That's one I like a lot even though it isn't the most original thing ever. I like it much better than Veil of Elysium. That's partly because I think it was a great opener for the I Am the Empire Blu-Ray/live album, which I enjoyed a lot. Not for non-fans of the Karevik era, but I think they picked most of the best tracks from the last two albums plus some big numbers from their back catalogue and really went all out in terms of guest appearances.
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Can't wait to hear new songs like Obsidian Memory, Cathartic Suicide, The Imperial Abstraction or whatever random words they decide to throw together that sound vaguely dystopian.
:rollin
Which one of them will continue the style of Sacrimony / Veil of Elysum / Whatever song from the last album copied these last two (probably Phantom Divine)? similar to how Nightwish have the "Dark Chest of Wonders riff" style song on every album since Once :D
(And for the record, The Imperial Abstraction sounds totally like a legit intro track)
And I am all here for it. I enjoy all of those songs.
I do wish they would explore a bit more lighthearted stuff. I don't mean cheesy powermetal or "party" music or anything, but almost all songs are so gloomy/dystopian in tone, I'd like a bit more variety on that front.
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Looks like the album announcement is coming January 12th along with maybe the first single.
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Giggity.
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Super pumped for The Crimson Artifact!
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Looks like the album announcement is coming January 12th along with maybe the first single.
The teaser sounds great! I really dig Kamelot!
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Looks like the album announcement is coming January 12th along with maybe the first single.
The teaser sounds great! I really dig Kamelot!
Agreed. They are the only Symphonic metal band I can get into though! :facepalm:
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Looks like the album announcement is coming January 12th along with maybe the first single.
The teaser sounds great! I really dig Kamelot!
Agreed. They are the only Symphonic metal band I can get into though! :facepalm:
Agree
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Hopefully the announcement is a US tour attached to their PPUSA appearance...maybe with Myrath in tow since they'll be there too.
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Super pumped for The Crimson Artifact!
I was going to make a similar joke and the title "Winter's Lament" popped in my head. Out of curiosity I googled it to see if it was taken and it was.
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Hopefully the announcement is a US tour attached to their PPUSA appearance...maybe with Myrath in tow since they'll be there too.
Kamelot and Myrath is a show Id go see for sure.
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Hopefully the announcement is a US tour attached to their PPUSA appearance...maybe with Myrath in tow since they'll be there too.
Kamelot and Myrath is a show Id go see for sure.
That pairing is touring Europe this winter, so it's possible they take the same tour to the US. I think there's 100% a Kamelot tour next fall though.
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Hopefully the announcement is a US tour attached to their PPUSA appearance...maybe with Myrath in tow since they'll be there too.
Kamelot and Myrath is a show Id go see for sure.
That pairing is touring Europe this winter, so it's possible they take the same tour to the US. I think there's 100% a Kamelot tour next fall though.
I've seen Kamelot and despite my making fun of their modern style (and not liking it as much) I still enjoy the hell out of them. These days, however, I need to enjoy more than just the closer unless they're Pain of Salvation or something. So if Kamelot is touring with a band that really gets me excited, the way Myrath would, then I'll go. But if they pick a band I have no interest in, I'd probably end up skipping.
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Super pumped for The Crimson Artifact!
Underrated post.
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The new song is ok. Nothing special.
One More Flag in the Ground
https://youtu.be/hyduA9PCsl8
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Song is fine? Nothing awful about it, but jesus is it monotonous. There's a key change in the guitar solo but other than that, it feels like it just kind of drones the same thing over and over.
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I miss the old cheesy power metal Kamelot.
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That was boring as hell.
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I miss the old cheesy power metal Kamelot.
I just miss when they were writing with the life and zest. This whole dystopian, everything is gloomy and dark and serious and heavy, is boring as all hell.
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They have now hit the same situation that I have with Within Temptation and their song Raise Your Banner.
I didn't mind the meaning of the song, but the music is just there.
I'm sure it will be better live, but at that it's really formulaic and reminds me of a lot of modern rock such as Pop Evil. It has that same sound and the same structure to me. I could hear this song with those types of vocals.
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That was boring as hell.
I think you are being too kind, Kamelot have turned into the most cookie-cutter, generic, boring band I can think of.
There is no life, no soul and lacking energy.
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Haven really grew on me during 2015 - 2018 even though I still think Silverthorn is definitely the best album from Tommy era. The Shadow Theory did nothing for me at all, I think I listened to it once or twice and didn't bother after that (although In Twilight Hours is a fantastic song).
I hoped the big pause (it's been five years after all) between albums would lead to something way more exciting that this. It's amazing how they managed to find such a good replacement for Roy, start off strong with two very good albums and then started to release these kind of songs.
I'll still check out the album just in case, but my expectations are extremely low after this single.
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Song is decent. One listen so I need more, but it sounds different enough from the last two albums to make me think the album could bring something new, but it's not different enough in the end to think this album will be a departure. I just want something different than Haven/Shadow THeory which felt like those two albums were the same. I think the single give some hope that will happen but without giving me the optimism that the album will be strong. Singles aren't always the best song though so we'll see. I'm still excited for the full album at this point though.
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Wow, getting harsh in here. :)
I don't necessarily disagree, but I haven't spent the time with the albums that I should to really say the same things. I just haven't been motivated to.
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Wow, getting harsh in here. :)
:lol yeah, the song isn't THAT bad. I actually enjoyed it, it's just not a "wow" type of track.
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To be fair, I think the only thing said about the song is that it's boring. Of course there was some colorful language to describe that, but it's just been called boring thus far.
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No life and no soul is quite the statement though. :)
I'm not criticizing anyone though.
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In some ways I'm just happy it's not another Phantom Divine style type of song they've grown accustomed to releasing as their single. The chorus seems a bit different in style while trying to stick to that power metal catchiness although it hasn't quite clicked for me yet after another listen and the keyboards are a nice different touch of style. The guitar playing seems very similar to what they've been doing. I'm still obsessed with Tommy's vocals so it's almost always going to be a win just hearing him sing for me.
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No life and no soul is quite the statement though. :)
I'm not criticizing anyone though.
Colorful language for boring, at least as I read it.
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In some ways I'm just happy it's not another Phantom Divine style type of song they've grown accustomed to releasing as their single. The chorus seems a bit different in style while trying to stick to that power metal catchiness although it hasn't quite clicked for me yet after another listen and the keyboards are a nice different touch of style. The guitar playing seems very similar to what they've been doing. I'm still obsessed with Tommy's vocals so it's almost always going to be a win just hearing him sing for me.
I am sure I heard that in the teaser video, and we may still get that as a single to come.
I didn't say it was boring either. I actually think it would sound better in a live setting, with the audience chanting along as well.
I listened to it a bit more and I will say, I am vastly enjoying how Tommy's vocals sound on this song. He is finally utilizing his entire vocal capabilities and I was pleased with what I heard in the ending. And I enjoy that sort of Pop Evil/Starset style of rock, so me saying it's formulaic like those bands isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's something I noticed and it's interesting seeing them have a song that has a similar sort of vibe I get with those bands. Especially since the song seems to be about human freedoms, such as an individual right, and that is the "last domain" to protect, being a "soldier of one".
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Sounds at half speed (aka a bit boring).
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That was boring as hell.
Been that way since Tommy entered in my opinion.
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The song does little for me. This is not a song suited for your first music in 5 years and after years of inactivity in my opinion..
I love Silverthorn and Haven and enjoy The Shadow Theory quite a bit. The live album was solid but they polished it too much (and that was not necessary, I saw the show in person and it was great). I would be fine with more of the same, but something here does not appeal to me. This song to me would be bottom tier on any of those albums.
So yeah, unfortunately I am not positive either.
I just compared the song to the other Tommy albums and something about the sound production / effects kills Tommy's vocals for me here.
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Yeah, I shut that off after the chorus.
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I hoped the big pause (it's been five years after all) between albums would lead to something way more exciting that this. It's amazing how they managed to find such a good replacement for Roy, start off strong with two very good albums and then started to release these kind of songs.
I'll still check out the album just in case, but my expectations are extremely low after this single.
I think this sums up my thoughts after one listen. Good, but not wow'd by any stretch. That that's the perfect recipe for me to 'pass' if the whole album ends up sounding this way.
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Wow, getting harsh in here. :)
:lol yeah, the song isn't THAT bad. I actually enjoyed it, it's just not a "wow" type of track.
I love this band - I discovered them with The Fourth Legacy when that album came out in 1999 and have followed them since. The Black Halo knocked my socks off, as did the live DVD from that tour. I've found songs to enjoy on each of the albums with Tommy have been impressed that they've gotten bigger as a band since he joined, given that they lost such a loved singer in Roy. I respect that they play a lot of new material live, and really like the live DVD with him as well. So it's not like I'm always down on this band.
But like Adami said, they're just in this rut of dystopian themed records and the music has been interchangeable from Haven to Shadow Theory, to this new song. Almost all of the videos from those albums look the same. I'm hoping the new album features better songs and they eventually move on to ditch this theme. At first glance with this new song and video, it's just more of the same, and it wouldn't have been my choice for a lead single after so much time away. Some will like it, some won't. I fall in the latter category for now.
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New song
KAMELOT - Opus Of The Night (Ghost Requiem) feat. Tina Guo (Official Lyric Video) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqRFWCbQ9Lk)
First listen and enjoyed it, has a Ghost Opera vibe
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That sounds a lot like Ghost Opera and is, sadly, the most Kamelot by numbers song I've heard from them yet. Nothing new, but nothing bad at all. It's the kind of song that if it came on, I wouldn't actively turn it off, but I'd probably drift off a bit since nothing is very captivating or interesting.
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My latest posts about new Kamelot weren't very positive but surprisingly I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. Yeah, almost nothing new (although I didn't expect the cello and the ending), but as far as I'm concerned, this is a huge step up from the first single. I'd say I like this more than almost anything on The Shadow Theory too.
All that being said, I still wish they tried to tread some new ground or at least shifted their songwriting from the dark dystopian/gothic theme.
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Kamelot is the only band that I've stopped listening to when they changed their singer. Even though Tommy is phenomenal, something about him I just can't connect with and enjoy and he's also the only singer in that category for me.
As for the band, I think the main reason I can't get into them anymore is that they've basically stayed the same ever since The Black Halo, and even then they were kind of starting to become samey. Given that, I somehow still expect to hear Roy's voice for some reason and when I don't - Tommy just sounds like a "cheap" imitator. even though he's not. /rant
That new song has a few melodies that sound almost exactly like something I've heard from Kamelot. The first line of the chorus, the backing choir chants, etc.
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I agree with a lot that has been said. Kamelot is quite samey - to me especially the new Kamelot. But some songs I Really enjoy. This new one is quite enjoyable, and when I listened to that and OMFitG together, they were both great! I like the big, heavy sound of Kamelot, but ya, a little change up here and there would even better. I am hoping they bring their tour to the States as I have seen them only one time, and it was a fantastic show.
As for Roy and Tommy. Tommy is a great replacement and has a wonderful voice. Nothing can ever beat Roy though - he's a vocal god.
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I agree with a lot that has been said. Kamelot is quite samey - to me especially the new Kamelot. But some songs I Really enjoy. This new one is quite enjoyable, and when I listened to that and OMFitG together, they were both great! I like the big, heavy sound of Kamelot, but ya, a little change up here and there would even better. I am hoping they bring their tour to the States as I have seen them only one time, and it was a fantastic show.
As for Roy and Tommy. Tommy is a great replacement and has a wonderful voice. Nothing can ever beat Roy though - he's a vocal god.
Basically I agree wtih this. It's samey but the new song is pretty good. And they will definitely be touring the US in the fall.
They recently played on the 70,000 tons of Metal cruise and had Melissa Bonny (of Ad Infinitum) and Clementine Delauney (of Visions of Atlantis) as guest singers. Kamelot and those two bands are all playing ProgPower in Atlanta in September so I am pretty much expecting those to join on stage there as well.
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I agree with a lot that has been said. Kamelot is quite samey - to me especially the new Kamelot. But some songs I Really enjoy. This new one is quite enjoyable, and when I listened to that and OMFitG together, they were both great! I like the big, heavy sound of Kamelot, but ya, a little change up here and there would even better. I am hoping they bring their tour to the States as I have seen them only one time, and it was a fantastic show.
As for Roy and Tommy. Tommy is a great replacement and has a wonderful voice. Nothing can ever beat Roy though - he's a vocal god.
Basically I agree wtih this. It's samey but the new song is pretty good. And they will definitely be touring the US in the fall.
They recently played on the 70,000 tons of Metal cruise and had Melissa Bonny (of Ad Infinitum) and Clementine Delauney (of Visions of Atlantis) as guest singers. Kamelot and those two bands are all playing ProgPower in Atlanta in September so I am pretty much expecting those to join on stage there as well.
I wonder if DT now is going to come to the US in the fall - hopefully no conflicts. My 2 must sees..
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Yeah, I'm starting to think DT will be hitting the US in the fall some time. Since they mentioned a 2023 tour and so far haven't announced, it seems late summer may be the earliest, but given their history, a fall tour seems to be what they like.
Personally, I'd love to see DT get onto a big summer tour bill playing the amphitheaters, even if as an opener, to get some exposure to the younger metal heads out there. To tie that in, I actually would love to see Kamelot do the same. I'm sure record labels probably play a role, but some of my favorite bands just seem so tied into doing the same thing over and over again. Like how many times have Kamelot toured with Delain (who are also playing Progpower)? How many times has DT played the exact same venue for an evening with format? Maybe this is all because I go to too many concerts.
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First single sucked, but this new song is very good in my opinion. It is varied, lively and does everything I love about Kamelot well.
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First single sucked, but this new song is very good in my opinion. It is varied, lively and does everything I love about Kamelot well.
:tup
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A lot of people seem to think it's a sequel to Ghost Opera, which would explain the similar vibes. I haven't had a good enough listen yet, but I could hear the similarities.
Now to figure out what Veil of Elysium is a sequel to.
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New song:
Kamelot - Eventide (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T0A_czEqJ0)
Now that was Kamelot by numbers.
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Isn't Kamelot by numbers redundant?
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Yup. Every single thus far as felt, to me at least, like Kamelot by the numbers.
Looks like I probably won't be buying this album as of now. Ah well.
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Yeah, this one maybe the most sounds like "Kamelot by the numbers"
I actually may have enjoyed it the most too :lol
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Yeah, this one maybe the most sounds like "Kamelot by the numbers"
I actually may have enjoyed it the most too :lol
:tup
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I do think the 3 Tommy albums have got progressively weaker (although only a small drop off between each) so it would be nice for this one to be an uptick. I also think the 3 Tommy albums are better than the last two Roy albums.
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So I listened to the first 8 tracks on the way to work this work, well it's definitely a Kamelot album. It's way to early to form any opinion....but 'The Great Divide' and 'Bloodmoon' instantly sounded good with the ballad 'Midsummer's Eve' maybe a little to twee (even for Kamelot).
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I'm on my first real listen and for me, the album starts off as more of the same. But I'm now enjoying One More Flag in the Ground more and then the middle of the album really kicks ass (Bloodmoon, NightSky, The Looking Glass). Heavy riffing, up-tempo and also some orchestration that feels like more of the classic Kamelot feel over it.
I really like those three songs so far. Hoping that the trend continues over the last 4 songs now.
Edit - I think Tommy's vocal melodies are what give me this feeling of more of the same. Musically, this is much more what I want to hear from the band. This could possibly be my favorite of the albums that Tommy is on. We'll see if the newness wears off some after repeated listens.
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I had a listen and enjoyed it. It's Kamelot but it's still good to me.
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I had a listen and enjoyed it. It's Kamelot but it's still good to me.
Agreed. But I just find more and more often, as bands get into their 8th, 9th, 10th + releases, if they aren't doing something new and/or fresh, I just keep finding myself thinking "Why am I not just listening to <insert earlier album name(s) here>?"
Which is exactly what I'm thinking right now. I'll give it one more spin in the coming weeks, but if it's the same reaction, I'll save a couple of the most enjoyable songs in my 'best-of 2023' playlist, and be done with it.
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I had a listen and enjoyed it. It's Kamelot but it's still good to me.
Agreed. But I just find more and more often, as bands get into their 8th, 9th, 10th + releases, if they aren't doing something new and/or fresh, I just keep finding myself thinking "Why am I not just listening to <insert earlier album name(s) here>?"
That's where I'm at. I won't begrudge a band for doing what they already know works. But if their new release sounds just like older releases and doesn't bring much new to the table, it's just not worth my money.
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Yeah, I don't fault someone from losing interest. But I still enjoy it enough to give it it's fair share over something else. There's always something else, but there isn't always Tommy's vocals.
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I have not listened to Kamelot since Roy left the band. Where should I start with the new singer?
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I have not listened to Kamelot since Roy left the band. Where should I start with the new singer?
With Seventh Wonder.
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I like the album, it is better than The Shadow Theory. Interestingly there is something about the instrumental side of this album that appeals to me more than Tommy's vocals, it is usually the other way around. I can hear some earlier Kamelot elements. In combination with the overall nu-Kamelot sound it works well, and it makes some songs stand out more than on Shadow Theory.
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I like this album way more than the Shadow Theory. Tommy sounds good, and I at least wasn't bored. In no way will it win my best of 2023, but it was good.
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I have not listened to Kamelot since Roy left the band. Where should I start with the new singer?
Don't bother.
I will check this new album out though with interest.
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I have not listened to Kamelot since Roy left the band. Where should I start with the new singer?
Silverthorn. And if you love it/like it, probably the latest afterwards.
The band did very well during the Tommy period (prior to covid). Based on the bigger shows with mostly Tommy era songs, there are clearly a lot of people like me that love it. So who knows in which category you fall. I do agree that their output has been similar during this era. But honestly most artists I listen to from the 90s that are still releasing now kinda do that.
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I'm not sure this is much of a upgrade on The Shadow Theory. I feel like Haven, The Shadow Theory and this one pretty much stick to the same formula - and each album has roughly half of the songs being great/good and the remaining ones being mediocre/forgettable. I still like these albums, enough good material to enjoy - and personally I'd put them over the first 3 albums and Poetry For The Poison and on a par The Fourth Legacy and Ghost Opera.
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I'm not sure this is much of a upgrade on The Shadow Theory. I feel like Haven, The Shadow Theory and this one pretty much stick to the same formula - and each album has roughly half of the songs being great/good and the remaining ones being mediocre/forgettable. I still like these albums, enough good material to enjoy - and personally I'd put them over the first 3 albums and Poetry For The Poison and on a par The Fourth Legacy and Ghost Opera.
Yeah that's kind of how I feel. It's still better than early Kamelot and a few of the lesser albums, definitely better than Poetry for me. Might be on par with Ghost Opera and honestly may sound closer to that album than The Shadow Theory.
Also, this album gets better as it goes. I think Pantheon may be the best song. Very powerful and Tommy sounds great there. Also The Looking Glass is another great Tommy song. He just sounds so good on these two tracks.
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Just had a listen to Silverthorn....is it just me or did the band purposely seek out someone who was similar to Roy Khan?
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Gave it a spin today, it's definitely a Kamelot album, not so deeply familiar with their work to distinguish it, but it's some good stuff. Hoping they tour around PPUSA, they're always a great show.
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Just had a listen to Silverthorn....is it just me or did the band purposely seek out someone who was similar to Roy Khan?
I think it is more like the singer, Tommy, purposely sings more in the style of Roy Khan. In Seventh Wonder and Ayreon his vocals are different. I love his vocals either way, but understand why some people want him to sound more like he does on non-Kamelot albums.
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Think it's the ballad's that let this album down most. Midsummer's Eve is way to twee and Willow loses points for rhyming Willow with Pillow.
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Think it's the ballad's that let this album down most. Midsummer's Eve is way to twee and Willow loses points for rhyming Willow with Pillow.
Uh isn't that how it's pronounced though?
I agree though, these ballads aren't great. Midsummer's Eve tries be a bit more of an older style of Kamelot ballad giving a medeival type of feel, but it comes off as a bit too cheesy for me. It's not bad though, I just don't love it. Willow sounds more like the previous ballads they've done and doesn't do it any better to make it much enjoyable.
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Well if anything, the new album introduced me to Melissa Bonny and now I'm checking out the new Ad Infinitum album which so far is pretty solid
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Well if anything, the new album introduced me to Melissa Bonny and now I'm checking out the new Ad Infinitum album which so far is pretty solid
She's great. There's a billion plus female fronted goth metal bands out there but for some reason Ad Infinitum have always stood out to me as something special. Their first two albums are great and I'm looking forward to the new one.
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Well if anything, the new album introduced me to Melissa Bonny and now I'm checking out the new Ad Infinitum album which so far is pretty solid
She's great. There's a billion plus female fronted goth metal bands out there but for some reason Ad Infinitum have always stood out to me as something special. Their first two albums are great and I'm looking forward to the new one.
It's out today and I streamed it, enjoyed it, then purchased the CD so hopefully I can get it signed at ProgPower. Amazon also gives you the immediate digital download so I have that now on my phone. I knew of them, but never really listened until recently a few songs and then today the full new album. I'll have to dig into the older stuff in due time.
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Gave it a couple of spins today, don't think it's as good as Chapter 2 but it's still a solid listen (maybe moved alittle to much towards the pop side like Amaranthe)
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Already have my ProgPower tickets, but I'll probably go to NYC as well
As much as I enjoy Battle Beast, I do wish they'd tour with someone else. They toured with them last two US tours.
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Isn't Tommy's wife the singer for Battle Beast?
And yea, don't care for them or Xandria. Not sure I'd go to this.
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Isn't Tommy's wife the singer for Battle Beast?
And yea, don't care for them or Xandria. Not sure I'd go to this.
Tommy's wife is the singer from Kobra and the Lotus, who I'm not sure are even a thing anymore? I haven't heard of anything about them in years. I'm not familiar with Xandria although I get the feeling they are similar to Delain / Ad Infinitum? I was really hoping Ad Infinitum would be on their tour.
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Ah you're right. My mistake.
I've heard random Xandria songs on youtube (always was open to them since an ex named her daughter Xandria years ago) but their music always just felt insanely generic to me. I'd see them with Ad Infitum. That'd be cool.
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It is odd that Battle Beast and Xandria are not playing ProgPower but will be rejoining Kamelot for the final date of the tour? They just going to hang out in Atlanta during that time? :lol I was guessing Ad Infinitum might be touring wtih Kamelot since they are also playing Progpower. I guess the festival has two bands that can be replacements if anyone pulls out.
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It is odd that Battle Beast and Xandria are not playing ProgPower but will be rejoining Kamelot for the final date of the tour? They just going to hang out in Atlanta during that time? :lol I was guessing Ad Infinitum might be touring wtih Kamelot since they are also playing Progpower. I guess the festival has two bands that can be replacements if anyone pulls out.
I am thinking while Kamelot is in Atlanta, the other bands and their stage production will already be in Florida and have a day for themselves.
If Ad Infinitum was touring with Kamelot, I would've instantly tried to go to Denver. But, now, I am on the fence.
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Yeah, they could just move on. Or hold another concert somewhere else. Who knows.
I'll definitely go and I expect it will be a lot of fun, but I'm not as excited for this tour as I should be. I think the Progpower show will be a lot better since it includes a meet and great.
As for the album, I've listened many times and it's fine, but hasn't grown on me in any meaningful way. Probably another reason why this tour isn't all super exciting for me. I do think New Babylon will be sick live though. I hope they pull out My Pantheon for the US leg.
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I'd say Xandria are more like Nightwish. They've been though more female singers than Nightwish - 5 so far! The two albums they made with Dianne van Giersbergen are decent Nightwish style albums, but generally they are B tier.
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Isn't Tommy's wife the singer for Battle Beast?
And yea, don't care for them or Xandria. Not sure I'd go to this.
Tommy's wife is the singer from Kobra and the Lotus, who I'm not sure are even a thing anymore? I haven't heard of anything about them in years. I'm not familiar with Xandria although I get the feeling they are similar to Delain / Ad Infinitum? I was really hoping Ad Infinitum would be on their tour.
My understanding is that their second album bombed, and the tour didn't do as hot. The band was angry at the state of the music industry and effectively broke up since no one was listening anyway. This was from an interview several years ago that I'm too lazy to go track down.
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I largely enjoy Xandria - regardless of who's on the mic. Their release this year is better than anything Nightwish has done in the last 6 years.
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I really like Kamelot, but I don't listen to them as much as some other bands, as their music can be samey. That said, I saw them once in 2019, and have been waiting for this tour announcement. Their show is fantastic and couldn't wait to take my son to see. Alas, they are the next weekend after my son and I travel to LA to see Metallica. A long concert weekend. I doubt I can get him to travel again the next weekend. The tickets were cheap though, so I bought 2 and am waiting for the right moment and bribe to see if I can get him to go. Otherwise, Ill probably go alone.
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I largely enjoy Xandria - regardless of who's on the mic. Their release this year is better than anything Nightwish has done in the last 6 years.
I'll have to check them out. Looks like tickets are just under $50 fees included for NYC. I plan on being there.
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Kamelot Nation!
We are happy to announce the North American Awaken The World Tour 2024!
Featuring Support from HammerFall and Ad Infinitum 🤘
Beginning April 25 in Baltimore, MD | Tickets On Sale Friday, January 19
Limited VIP upgrades at www.kamelot.com/vip2024
KAMELOT: Awaken The World Tour 2024 North American tour dates:
** = Featuring Seven Spires, No Hammerfall
4.25.24 Baltimore, MD Rams Head **
4.26.24 Huntington, NY Paramount **
4.27.24 Boston, MA Big Night Live **
4.28.24 Quebec City, QC Theatre Capitole **
4.30.24 Harrisburg, PA HMAC
5.1.24 Montclair, NJ Wellmont Theatre
5.3.24 Columbus, OH The Bluestone
5.4.24 St. Louis, MO Delmar Hall
5.6.24 Fort Worth, TX Tannahills
5.7.24 San Antonio, TX Vibes Event Center
5.9.24 Albuquerque, NM El Rey Theater
5.10.24 Tucson, AZ Encore
5.11.24 Anaheim, CA City National Grove
5.12.24 Las Vegas, NV House of Blues
5.14.24 Denver, CO The Summit
5.16.24 St. Paul, MN Myth
5.17.24 Milwaukee, WI @ Eagles Ballroom/Milwaukee Metal Fest (no AD INFINITUM)
5.18.24 Cleveland, OH House of Blues
5.20.24 Pittsburgh, PA Roxian
5.21.24 Richmond, VA The National
5.23.24 Cincinnati, OH Bogarts
5.24.24 Atlanta, GA Heaven @ Masquerade
5.25.24 Tampa, FL Jannus Landing
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I am so excited that they're actually coming to Albuquerque, I was not expecting that. :metal :metal :metal
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Solid line up, they've been hinting at this line up and time frame for a bit. I expect to be at the NJ show.
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Hmmm, I may venture to Tampa for the last show of the tour given that it's on a Saturday.
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I largely enjoy Xandria - regardless of who's on the mic. Their release this year is better than anything Nightwish has done in the last 6 years.
I'll have to check them out. Looks like tickets are just under $50 fees included for NYC. I plan on being there.
I might go to the NYC one. I dont know their last album at all but I doubt itll matter and I love Ad Infinitum.
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I largely enjoy Xandria - regardless of who's on the mic. Their release this year is better than anything Nightwish has done in the last 6 years.
I'll have to check them out. Looks like tickets are just under $50 fees included for NYC. I plan on being there.
I might go to the NYC one. I dont know their last album at all but I doubt itll matter and I love Ad Infinitum.
That comment was for last year's tour, the new tour isn't coming to NYC, although maybe Huntington in long Island is doable for you. That's too far for me. I'll be going to the NJ show. Surprisingly, they aren't selling tickets for the entire venue, just the first three rows of the balcony.
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I largely enjoy Xandria - regardless of who's on the mic. Their release this year is better than anything Nightwish has done in the last 6 years.
I'll have to check them out. Looks like tickets are just under $50 fees included for NYC. I plan on being there.
I might go to the NYC one. I dont know their last album at all but I doubt itll matter and I love Ad Infinitum.
That comment was for last year's tour, the new tour isn't coming to NYC, although maybe Huntington in long Island is doable for you. That's too far for me. I'll be going to the NJ show. Surprisingly, they aren't selling tickets for the entire venue, just the first three rows of the balcony.
Doh!
Yea, the Huntington show is a bit annoying. It's far enough away that it'd take 2-3 hours by train or I'd have to rent a car and then get a hotel overnight, which can cost 300 dollars easy. I'm not sure that's worth it.
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Unsurprisngly, there's nothing close to me. Columbus is the 'closest', and I'd guess that's a 4-5 hour drive - nope, Google confirms it's over 5.5 hours.
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Unsurprisngly, there's nothing close to me. Columbus is the 'closest', and I'd guess that's a 4-5 hour drive - nope, Google confirms it's over 5.5 hours.
Yeah, labelling the tour as NA with only one Canada date is kind of lame, but sadly a standard in the industry. Sucks.
I was hoping they'd play Starland Ballroom instead of the Wellmont in NJ. In fact, both Tommy and Thomas liked my facebook response saying to play Starland :lol back when they hinted this tour was coming to NJ. Oh well, I certainly don't have much to complain about as that's a 45 minute drive for me and definitely doable straight from work on a Wednesday.
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Unsurprisngly, there's nothing close to me. Columbus is the 'closest', and I'd guess that's a 4-5 hour drive - nope, Google confirms it's over 5.5 hours.
Yeah, labelling the tour as NA with only one Canada date is kind of lame, but sadly a standard in the industry. Sucks.
If Germany, the Netherlands and either one out of Paris or Milan can mean "an Europan tour", some US states and one town in Canada can mean as well "North America" :lol
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I would love to see Ad Infinitum, but they are skipping IL. So many tours just skip Chicago and I just don't get it. Rock and Metal is huge here and so many tours just bypass us. It's annoying.
I literally know nothing of Kamelot, except that it's where King Arthur was from.
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I literally know nothing of Kamelot, except that it's where Cing Arthur was from.
Fixed for a joke on the band's name ;D
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I would love to see Ad Infinitum, but they are skipping IL. So many tours just skip Chicago and I just don't get it. Rock and Metal is huge here and so many tours just bypass us. It's annoying.
I literally know nothing of Kamelot, except that it's where King Arthur was from.
Kamelot played Chicago on the first leg of the tour last summer. They were very specific in socials saying this 2nd leg would go places the first leg didn't. Hence them playing NJ and Long Island, but not NYC this time around. Sucks if you'd rather see Hammerfall/Ad Infinitum vs. Battle Beast/Xandria though. Personally, Battle Beast and Ad Infinitum would be the best trifecta.
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Just booked tickets for London in November. Supported by Ad Infinitum, Blackbriar & Frozen Crown. I love Ad Infinitum and Frozen Crown are decent too, need to check out Blackbriar though.
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Just booked tickets for London in November. Supported by Ad Infinitum, Blackbriar & Frozen Crown. I love Ad Infinitum and Frozen Crown are decent too, need to check out Blackbriar though.
Blackbriar is opening for Battle Beast when they come here soon, I need to check them out as well. Frozen Crown is coming here for ProgPower. They are OK from listening to their two latest albums. I do enjoy Ad Infinitum. I wish they were the second slot here not third to get more of them instead of Hammerfall. Overall, all seem like cool support bands for Kamelot though.
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Just booked tickets for London in November. Supported by Ad Infinitum, Blackbriar & Frozen Crown. I love Ad Infinitum and Frozen Crown are decent too, need to check out Blackbriar though.
Blackbriar is opening for Battle Beast when they come here soon, I need to check them out as well. Frozen Crown is coming here for ProgPower. They are OK from listening to their two latest albums. I do enjoy Ad Infinitum. I wish they were the second slot here not third to get more of them instead of Hammerfall. Overall, all seem like cool support bands for Kamelot though.
I expect Melissa will join Kamelot on stage too and as both Frozen Crown and Balckbriar are also both female fronted maybe they'll join em too?
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Just booked tickets for London in November. Supported by Ad Infinitum, Blackbriar & Frozen Crown. I love Ad Infinitum and Frozen Crown are decent too, need to check out Blackbriar though.
Blackbriar is opening for Battle Beast when they come here soon, I need to check them out as well. Frozen Crown is coming here for ProgPower. They are OK from listening to their two latest albums. I do enjoy Ad Infinitum. I wish they were the second slot here not third to get more of them instead of Hammerfall. Overall, all seem like cool support bands for Kamelot though.
I expect Melissa will join Kamelot on stage too and as both Frozen Crown and Balckbriar are also both female fronted maybe they'll join em too?
Melissa for sure, I'd say the other two maybe, but not sure. Definitely could see something for like the final show of the tour, but maybe not every night.
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Well I checked out Blackbriar last night. I wasn't expecting much more than another identikit symphonic metal act with some catchy songs (bit like Frozen Crown), but I was super impressed, in fact I ended up listening to both of their albums and they are very good, best act in this genre I've heard since Seven Spires. Added to my excitement of this gig now ;D