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Dream Theater => Concerts and Set Lists => Topic started by: setrataeso on November 03, 2009, 08:35:43 PM
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Over the past many months, I've spent countless hours on Mike Portnoy's tourography page and the concerts and setlists page here on DTF compiling all the setlists and adorning each song with a number based on how many times it has been played live.
There are a few different ways I counted a song played. Oftentimes if they played a significant portion of a song I count the full song (for instance, on Burning My Soul '96, I counted Burning My Soul and Hells Kitchen as being played). Medleys are counted on their own, but the medley count is noted beside the included songs.
I did not count the covers or random jam songs they played in this list, but they are tallied on the full one saved on my computer. I did count the various solos played as singular tracks, or as extended pieces (they are not representative of how many in-song solos they have played).
Feel free to scrutinize and ask why I counted certain songs the way I did.
Enjoy.
Majesty:
Another Won: 59
Vital Star: 11
Your Majesty: 16
March of the Tyrant: 39
Two Far: 12
Mosquitoes in Harmony: 1
A Vision: 4
Cry for Freedom: 3
When Dream and Day Unite:
A Fortune in Lies: 277 (also played 15 times on WIAWU medley)
Status Seeker: 51
Ytsejam: 289 (also played 46 times on Instrumedley)
The Killing Hand: 145
Light Fuse and Get Away: 13
Afterlife: 73
The Ones Who Helped to Set the Sun: 29
Only a Matter of Time: 160 (also played 15 times on WIAWU medley)
Images & Words:
Pull Me Under: 723 (also played 15 times on WIAWU medley)
Another Day: 348
Take the Time: 475 (also played 15 times on WIAWU medley)
Surrounded: 434
Metropolis Pt. 1: 630 (also played 46 times on Instrumedley + 46 times on Encore medley)
Under A Glass Moon: 471 (also played 15 times on WIAWU medley)
Wait for Sleep: 266
Learning to Live: 436 (also played 46 times on Encore medley + 79 times on Schmedley Wilcox)
Awake:
6:00: 217
Caught in a Web: 212
Innocence Faded: 30
Erotomania: 237 (also played 46 times on Instrumedley)
Voices: 297
The Silent Man: 185
The Mirror: 230
Lie: 278
Lifting Shadows off a Dream: 135
Scarred: 94
Space-Dye Vest: 0
A Change of Seasons:
A Change of Seasons: 79
The Crimson Sunrise: 45
Innocence: 68
Carpe Diem: 17
The Darkest of Winters: 72 (also played 46 times on Instrumedley)
Another World:
The Inevitable Summer:
The Crimson Sunset: 44 (also played 46 times on Encore medley)
Falling Into Infinity:
New Millennium: 142
You Not Me: 3
Peruvian Skies: 272
Hollow Years: 239
Burning my Soul: 126
Hells Kitchen: 54 (also played 46 times on Instrumedley)
Lines in the Sand: 181
Take Away My Pain: 38
Just Let Me Breathe: 180
Anna Lee: 30
Trial of Tears: 84 (also played 79 times on Schmedley Wilcox)
Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory:
Regression: 29
Overture 1928: 104
Strange Deja Vu: 220
Through My Words: 188
Fatal Tragedy: 265
Beyond This Life: 116
Through Her Eyes: 38
Home: 256
The Dance of Eternity: 116 (also played 46 times on Instrumedley)
One Last Time: 59
The Spirit Carries On: 361
Finally Free: 64 (also played 79 times on Schmedley Wilcox)
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence:
The Glass Prison: 125
Blind Faith: 75
Misunderstood: 88
The Great Debate: 110
Disappear: 2
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence: 58
Overture: 28
About To Crash: 28
War Inside My Head: 120
The Test That Stumped Them All: 126
Goodnight Kiss: 23
Solitary Shell: 114
About to Crash (Reprise): 62
Losing Time/Grand Finale: 62
Train of Thought:
As I Am: 217
This Dying Soul: 76
Endless Sacrifice: 197
Honor Thy Father: 43
Vacant: 19
Stream of Consciousness: 60
In the Name of God: 103 (also played 79 times on Schmedley Wilcox)
Octavarium:
The Root of All Evil: 147
The Answer Lies Within: 7
These Walls: 75
I Walk Beside You: 82
Panic Attack: 168
Never Enough: 87
Sacrificed Sons: 81
Octavarium: 59 (also played 79 times on Schmedley Wilcox)
Systematic Chaos:
In The Presence of Enemies: 69
Pt. 1: 28
Pt. 2: 1
Forsaken: 105
Constant Motion: 154
The Dark Eternal Night: 142
Repentance: 1
Prophets of War: 32
The Ministry of Lost Souls: 28
Black Clouds & Silver Linings:
A Nightmare to Remember: 80
A Rite of Passage: 104
Wither: 25
The Shattered Fortress: 0
The Best of Times: 0
The Count of Tuscany: 94
A Dramatic Turn of Events:
On the Backs of Angels: 119
Build Me Up, Break Me Down: 67
Lost Not Forgotten: 36
This Is the Life: 36
Bridges in the Sky: 99
Outcry: 71
Far from Heaven: 29
Breaking All Illusions: 95
Beneath the Surface: 46
Demos:
To Live Forever: 94
Eve: 68
Raise The Knife: 14
Speak To Me: 21
Puppies on Acid: 128
A Crack in the Mirror: 107
The Way it Used to Be: 7
Cover My Eyes: 8
Where Are You Now: 3
Medleys:
When Images and Words Unite Medley: 1
Instrumedley: 46
Schmedley Wilcox: 79
Encore Medley: 34 (+12 for PN09)
Solos:
Keyboard Solo: 588
Drum Solo: 496
Guitar Solo: 266
Bass Solo: 6
Liquid Tension Experiment:
Kindred Spirits: 3
Paradigm Shift: 35 (also played 46 times on Instrumedley)
Universal Mind: 17 (also played 46 times on Instrumedley)
Acid Rain: 26
Another Dimension: 14
Hourglass: 1
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Images & Words:
Pull Me Under: 666
I stopped reading here.
it's just too perfect
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Interesting comparing them all. Last time I checked a while back, the gap between Metropolis and PMU was bigger, but it's really closed in now. There are some other comparisons that really surprise me too.
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I disagree with you including the songs in medleys. The medley's should be counted separately, imo.
But good work.
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Sweet, that's a noble thing to do for DTF. Thanks man!
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Well, there is a significant amount of each song being played, I figured it would be fair. It's not like I counted the A Fortune in Lies teasers they play at the end of some songs. In Schmedley, they play full verses and instrumental sections of different songs. Seemed like enough for me. Instrumedley worked the same way too.
Sweet, that's a noble thing to do for DTF. Thanks man!
A-thank you.
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I was wondering if you were ever gonna post this. Good stuff.
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Good stuff. Though I agree that Medleys should be counted as Medleys.
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Bah! People don't care how many times Schmedley Wilcox was played, they care how many times Finally Free was played! If it gets played I chalk it up on the song side.
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Interesting comparing them all. Last time I checked a while back, the gap between Metropolis and PMU was bigger, but it's really closed in now.
Probably because he included medleys, such as the Metropolis/Learning to Live/A Change of Seasons medley.
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Plus Metropolis got a bunch of playtime in Instrumedley. But they played it a fair bit over the past few tour legs.
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Plus Metropolis got a bunch of playtime in Instrumedley. But they played it a fair bit over the past few tour legs.
Yeah. I wouldn't give that number too much stock, Blob.
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huh?
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The number of times Metropolis has been played compared with Pull Me Under, due to Metropolis' inclusions in so many medleys.
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On an individual basis, Pull Me Under has had far more singular song plays, Metropolis is featured in many medleys.
Why did you call me Blob?
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I was using your quote to answer his earlier question.
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Oh ok.
I'm pretty stoked I got a stickied thread. I feel important.
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Including medley performances makes no sense. They didn't play the song, therefore it shouldn't be included in the count. Playing 2 or 3 minutes of a 10 minute or even 24 minute song is not a "significant portion".
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Including medley performances makes no sense. They didn't play the song, therefore it shouldn't be included in the count. Playing 2 or 3 minutes of a 10 minute or even 24 minute song is not a "significant portion".
This. A noble effort, but ultimately your statistics are deeply flawed.
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Including medley performances makes no sense. They didn't play the song, therefore it shouldn't be included in the count. Playing 2 or 3 minutes of a 10 minute or even 24 minute song is not a "significant portion".
Well, they played something, so you would want him to count it as a medley or. . .?
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Including medley performances makes no sense. They didn't play the song, therefore it shouldn't be included in the count. Playing 2 or 3 minutes of a 10 minute or even 24 minute song is not a "significant portion".
Well, they played something, so you would want him to count it as a medley or. . .?
I think all of the medleys should be included in the list in a separate section, such as the Instrumedley, Shmedley Wilcox etc. So instead of counting DT as playing ITNOG/LTL/Octavarium/ToT etc every time they play the Shmedley, you count it as the medley.
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Sweet beans, but if it took him months to compile this. . .I don't think he would want to start over.
Besides, I see his point as well, to separate the medleys and count it as being played. Really, it could be done either way, as either option will have some opposition to it.
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I'm glad my work is appreciated.
If you guys insist, I'll go back and compile how many times the medleys have been played and include that.
However, I stand by my inclusion of counting the individual songs in medleys, and I won't change that.
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I'm glad my work is appreciated.
If you guys insist, I'll go back and compile how many times the medleys have been played and include that.
However, I stand by my inclusion of counting the individual songs in medleys, and I won't change that.
I INSIST YOU DO THE FIRST PART AND NOT THE SECOND
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I'm glad my work is appreciated.
If you guys insist, I'll go back and compile how many times the medleys have been played and include that.
However, I stand by my inclusion of counting the individual songs in medleys, and I won't change that.
I INSIST YOU DO THE FIRST PART AND NOT THE SECOND
I don't see what the problem is.
If I count the medleys, you just take the full number of, say, Octavarium, and then subtract the number of Schmedley Wilcox, and you have singular Octavarium plays right there. For those who care about amount of times its been played alone or in a medley, the number is there too.
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What was the purpose for spending all this time? How is it counted on MP.com? Because that one is official. If you're doing it differently than it's done there, then you're giving contradictory information. If you're doing it the same, well, it's already there, so I don't see the point, really.
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I appreciate the effort, but I'm not personally interested in how often short sections of songs were played, so if I want the info I'll probably just stick with the MP.com tourography.
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What was the purpose for spending all this time? How is it counted on MP.com? Because that one is official. If you're doing it differently than it's done there, then you're giving contradictory information. If you're doing it the same, well, it's already there, so I don't see the point, really.
Well MP's tourography doesn't show all the songs. Certain ones that far played frequently, like Metropolis, just show a error on the page, as the number is too high.
Frankly, I did this for fun and to get into Dream Theater's setlists and learn about it. I posted it here because I thought people would enjoy being able to compare how often certain songs are played, and to have one easy-to-check list. Instead, I get umpteen people bitching at me, telling how I should have done it.
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Well MP's tourography doesn't show all the songs. Certain ones that far played frequently, like Metropolis, just show a error on the page, as the number is too high.
Frankly, I did this for fun and to get into Dream Theater's setlists and learn about it. I posted it here because I thought people would enjoy being able to compare how often certain songs are played, and to have one easy-to-check list. Instead, I get umpteen people bitching at me, telling how I should have done it.
If it's any consolation to you...I think you've obviously worked very hard on it and it's interesting even if it is a teeny bit 'flawed'.
Personally I don't mind...it must've taken long enough to do it so you can do it anyway you want
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setrataeso, did you manually go through each setlist and tot up the information or use the search facility where you could?
I briefly had a bash at writing a program to go through them, although it was irritating due to alot of special cases, eg caught in a web mash ups..
Hard to say what counts and what doesn't (eg Metropolis/LTL/Crimson sunset medley this tour has most of metropolis, but misses the good bit at the end).
Still, great effort on your part, although it would be nice to see the proportions of each song in a medley. (eg trial of tears 153, 50 in schmedley wilcox).
With razors edge in schmedley wilcox, you could do like you've done with ACOS/6DOIT and split into Octavarium or Razor's Edge by itself.
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setrataeso, did you manually go through each setlist and tot up the information or use the search facility where you could?
I briefly had a bash at writing a program to go through them, although it was irritating due to alot of special cases, eg caught in a web mash ups..
Hard to say what counts and what doesn't (eg Metropolis/LTL/Crimson sunset medley this tour has most of metropolis, but misses the good bit at the end).
Still, great effort on your part, although it would be nice to see the proportions of each song in a medley. (eg trial of tears 153, 50 in schmedley wilcox).
With razors edge in schmedley wilcox, you could do like you've done with ACOS/6DOIT and split into Octavarium or Razor's Edge by itself.
I went through each show one by one and counted each song one at a time.
Another thing is that I haven't heard every one of the medleys played. I can't be sure how much of each song gets played. I know that more of THe Dance of Eternity is played in Instrumedley than say, Hells Kitchen. But for something like the recent Metropolis/LTL/Crimson Sunset medley, which I haven't actually heard, I can't be sure how much of each thing is played. I got to count them all.
What if almost all of Metropolis is played except the last verse? Do I count the whole thing because of the significant portion of it that had been played? If I do that, I have to count it for every song if a significant portion of it is played.
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I totally understand that reasoning, we clearly just differ in our definitions of "significant".
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These are some VERY cool statistics. However, I think you should've counted the medleys the same way you count demos and solos.
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They should never play PMU ever again and just leave it there. So :metal
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DTF: We're never happy.
Good work setrataeso :tup
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Honestly I think a good idea would be to say how many times it was played, and then in parenthesis how many of those times were in a particular medley.
For example-
Learning to Live: 450 (100 times as part of Metropolis/Learning to Live/Crimson Sunset and 50 times as part of Schmedley Wilcox)
Now, I would actually prefer that the number be full plays, and then have medleys added on, but you have already said you won't do that, but for example that would look like this-
Learning to Live: 300 (Also played 100 times as part of Metropolis/Learning to Live/Crimson Sunset and 50 times as part of Schmedley Wilcox)
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Honestly I think a good idea would be to say how many times it was played, and then in parenthesis how many of those times were in a particular medley.
For example-
Learning to Live: 450 (100 times as part of Metropolis/Learning to Live/Crimson Sunset and 50 times as part of Schmedley Wilcox)
Now, I would actually prefer that the number be full plays, and then have medleys added on, but you have already said you won't do that, but for example that would look like this-
Learning to Live: 300 (Also played 100 times as part of Metropolis/Learning to Live/Crimson Sunset and 50 times as part of Schmedley Wilcox)
I given it some thought, and your method seems to match what I would consider doing.
In which case, give me a week or so, and I'll have the redistributed version up.
I really didn't want to have to change it, but I'd rather change it and have more insightful comments based on the actual list, than leave it as is and all comments be about how it should be changed.
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They should never play PMU warped version ever again and just leave it there. So :metal
Fixed.
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Voila.
All fixed for those who care.
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Whoa, was When Images And Words Unite only played once?
Haha, that means the trainwreck version is the only one. Excellent.
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Whoa, was When Images And Words Unite only played once?
Haha, that means the trainwreck version is the only one. Excellent.
Shit.
Nope. Hang on.
EDIT: Sorry about that. Mis-searched the MP tourography. It listed it as WIAWU medley for being played 1 time, and WIAWU for 14. I key searched medley, so I missed the other 14. All fixed now.
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Hey thanks for putting this list together dude. Major props.
I noticed that you didnt include Dont Look Past Me on the list of demos. Is it because it has never been played live even once or did you forget it?
I always thought it was one of their best songs and would love to hear it live even though I know it will probably never happen. I was lucky enough to hear To Live Forever live.
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Hey thanks for putting this list together dude. Major props.
I noticed that you didnt include Dont Look Past Me on the list of demos. Is it because it has never been played live even once or did you forget it?
I always thought it was one of their best songs and would love to hear it live even though I know it will probably never happen. I was lucky enough to hear To Live Forever live.
Thanks for the props.
Don't Look Past Me has never been played live. Along with Space Dye Vest, The Shattered Fortress, and The Best of Times (and I guess you could include You Or Me), it has yet to be played.
It is a good song, however I wouldn't count on a live performance of it anytime soon.
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yea... well TSF and TBOT will eventually get played for sure, just probably not on this tour.
SDV... the only chance I ever see it getting played is if they play all of Awake for this anniversary show like they did with the 1st 2 albums but they probably wont play it anyway unless Kevin Moore shows up which also probably wont happen.
One thing I was wondering, when you went through the old sets and they played the demo version of Burning My Soul, did you count it as JUST Burning My Soul or did you remember that the entirety of Hells Kitchen is included in the middle of it? I actually saw them play this version live when they were on their first tour for SDOIT and it was pretty cool.
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On MP's tourography, they note which version of Burning My Soul it is. "Burning My Soul" is just the singular song, but "Burning My Soul '96" is the version with Hell's Kitchen in it. So basically any show where Burning My Soul '96 was played, I counted both Burning My Soul and Hell's Kitchen.
Hell's Kitchen has only been played 4 times outside of Burning My Soul '96 and Instrumedley.
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Don't Look Past Me has never been played live.
If only. AMAZING little song.
And this is a brilliant little undertaking. I do think it makes more sense now and is more impressive, but it was still cool pre-medleys. Good work dude!
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Wow, that is awesome now setra! Great job, and thanks for all the effort!
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The Crimson Sunset would've been played a lot in the Once in a LIVEtime era in the medley with Metropolis and Learning to Live, wouldn't it?
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The Crimson Sunset would've been played a lot in the Once in a LIVEtime era in the medley with Metropolis and Learning to Live, wouldn't it?
Those were never designated officially as medleys on MP's tourography. It was written as:
Metropolis/
Learning to Live/
The Crimson Sunset
So, the ones for the Prog Nation 09 tour are actually only temporary. When they are posted on MP's site, if they are logged as they were before, then I'll take off the medley part an retally the individual songs. If it does say "medley" specifically then it'll stay as is.
Either way, yes that was the majority of the individual plays for The Crimson Sunset.
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Those were never designated officially as medleys on MP's tourography.
They were, in fact, medleys.
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Those were never designated officially as medleys on MP's tourography.
They were, in fact, medleys.
When in doubt I check MP's tourography. It doesn't say medley anywhere, I don't say medley anywhere.
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Those were never designated officially as medleys on MP's tourography.
They were, in fact, medleys.
When in doubt I check MP's tourography. It doesn't say medley anywhere, I don't say medley anywhere.
I'm pretty sure that the slash usually indicated a medley in some form.
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Those were never designated officially as medleys on MP's tourography.
They were, in fact, medleys.
When in doubt I check MP's tourography. It doesn't say medley anywhere, I don't say medley anywhere.
I'm pretty sure that the slash usually indicated a medley in some form.
Not necessarily. A slash just usually means a transition with no break.
Besides, it doesn't say medley, so there's no keyword I can use in the search option. I would have a hard time going back through the list and picking it all apart again.
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FFS, it's a medley.
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FFS, it's a medley.
Seriously, this. If it looks like a medley, it it sounds like a medley, and it smells like a medley, it's a medley. It's only named by individual songs because the medley obviously doesn't have its own specific name, but it's obviously a medley. There is no grey area here when it comes to the definition of a medley.
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How did Schmedley Wilcox get its name?
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FFS, it's a medley.
Seriously, this. If it looks like a medley, it it sounds like a medley, and it smells like a medley, it's a medley. It's only named by individual songs because the medley obviously doesn't have its own specific name, but it's obviously a medley. There is no grey area here when it comes to the definition of a medley.
GOD. DAMMIT.
Okay, I'm fixing it today.
I'm blending the medley from the Touring into Infinty shows and the PN09 shows. I know they are slightly different, but its the same 3 songs.
I need a name from that medley. Give me some ideas.
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(https://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb167/ij666/Dream%20Theater/Dream%20Theater%20Live%20in%20Tel%20Aviv%20Israel%2016-06/DreamTheaterSetlist-TelAvivIsrael16.jpg)
It's a medley.
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FFS, it's a medley.
Seriously, this. If it looks like a medley, it it sounds like a medley, and it smells like a medley, it's a medley. It's only named by individual songs because the medley obviously doesn't have its own specific name, but it's obviously a medley. There is no grey area here when it comes to the definition of a medley.
GOD. DAMMIT.
Okay, I'm fixing it today.
I'm blending the medley from the Touring into Infinty shows and the PN09 shows. I know they are slightly different, but its the same 3 songs.
I need a name from that medley. Give me some ideas.
Well, I know that in 2008 it was called the Progressive Nation Medley.
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I know I gave it that name in my setlist thread, but was it actually called that?
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I know I gave it that name in my setlist thread, but was it actually called that?
Probably not, then. I thought I had read it on Mp.com, but it was actually from your compilations.
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I know I gave it that name in my setlist thread, but was it actually called that?
Doubt it, they were playing it on the First European festival leg.
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Fixed the list to include the medley which will now be known as "Encore Medley".
Any other questions/things that need fixing?
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Where's Bombay Vindaloo or the Spirit of St. Louis?! Regardless, that compilation is awesome. Fantastic, even.
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Where's Bombay Vindaloo or the Spirit of St. Louis?! Regardless, that compilation is awesome. Fantastic, even.
I haven't heard of Spirit of St. Louis, so I imagine it was recorded in the MP tourography under a different name.
All of the misc jam/live-only tracks are in my personal archive, but I didn't upload them here, as it's fairly cluttered.
However, because you asked, Bombay Vindaloo has been played 8 times.
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Where's Bombay Vindaloo or the Spirit of St. Louis?! Regardless, that compilation is awesome. Fantastic, even.
From A Sort of Homecoming, no?
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Mosquitoes in Harmony: 1
Uhm... What song is this? ???
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Mosquitoes in Harmony: 1
Uhm... What song is this? ???
It was a mini guitar/drum solo that was only played on 7/16/1986 in Long Island.
Link: https://mikeportnoy.com/dates/tourography/?show=8
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Interesting. I wonder if there's a bootleg from this show.
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Ask Nick.
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Mosquitoes in Harmony: 1
Uhm... What song is this? ???
There's a studio version on The Majesty Demos if you're interested.
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Oh yeah, right. Forgot about it. :tup
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You forgot Don't Look Past Me
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You forgot Don't Look Past Me
Nope. Don't Look Past Me has never been played live, so it's not on the list.
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You forgot Space Dye Vest.
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You forgot Space Dye Vest.
You forgot the :neverusethis:
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You forgot Don't Look Past Me
Nope. Don't Look Past Me has never been played live, so it's not on the list.
So why is "Space Dye-Vest" on the list?
Also, I think that "Repentance" has been played twice.
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I'm pretty sure it hasn't.
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You forgot Don't Look Past Me
Nope. Don't Look Past Me has never been played live, so it's not on the list.
So why is "Space Dye-Vest" on the list?
Also, I think that "Repentance" has been played twice.
I dunno, I put Space-Dye Vest, because it's actually part of a studio album. If I put Don't Look Past Me on there and then mark it as 0, I'd get a lot of WTF looks.
And Repentance has only been played once.
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UPDATE:
Awake:
The Mirror: 226
Lie: 274
Falling Into Infinity:
Hollow Years: 235
Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory:
Beyond This Life: 116
Train of Thought:
In the Name of God: 103 (also played 79 times on Schmedley Wilcox)
Systematic Chaos:
Prophets of War: 30
Black Clouds & Silver Linings:
A Nightmare to Remember: 74
A Rite of Passage: 75
Wither: 21
The Count of Tuscany: 70
:P
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UPDATE:
*snip*
Uhhh...thats totally my job. :P
Also:
UPDATED AS OF 03/25/2010 - CENTRAL/SOUTH AMERICAN TOUR
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Anyone remember where they played You Not Me?
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https://www.mikeportnoy.com/dates/tourography/searchresults.asp?criteria=you+not+me&in=song
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https://www.mikeportnoy.com/dates/tourography/searchresults.asp?criteria=you+not+me&in=song
Was just about to post that.
Man, its been a while since they pulled that one out, eh?
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Just had another look at this and realized how awesome it is. Thanks again, setra!
I do have a suggestion, though. For the sake of clarity, perhaps you ought to consider how many times Dream Theater has played Burning My Soul '96 - the version within which much of Hell's Kitchen is played. At the very least, I know it was played at times on the Six Degrees tour, but it may have been played on other tours as well.
Just a thought, at any rate.
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Just had another look at this and realized how awesome it is. Thanks again, setra!
I do have a suggestion, though. For the sake of clarity, perhaps you ought to consider how many times Dream Theater has played Burning My Soul '96 - the version within which much of Hell's Kitchen is played. At the very least, I know it was played at times on the Six Degrees tour, but it may have been played on other tours as well.
Just a thought, at any rate.
Well, obviously I did count Hells Kitchen as being played when BMS '96 was played. The only issue is for those unfamiliar with the Burning My Soul/Burning My Soul '96 deal, it will be confusing. Plus, I wouldn't know where to put it.
I think its fine, and its still accurate at any rate.
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Ah okay, I didn't know that. But yeah, that's cool.
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https://www.mikeportnoy.com/dates/tourography/searchresults.asp?criteria=you+not+me&in=song
Was just about to post that.
Man, its been a while since they pulled that one out, eh?
Man, I'm really sorry, I tried...but your post was very dirty lol
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https://www.mikeportnoy.com/dates/tourography/searchresults.asp?criteria=you+not+me&in=song
Was just about to post that.
Man, its been a while since they pulled that one out, eh?
Man, I'm really sorry, I tried...but your post was very dirty lol
:lol
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You should add how many times an album has been played in full.
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You should add how many times an album has been played in full.
Well, that would be pretty pointless considering:
a) That rarely happens. Sometimes all the songs from an album get played in one show, but seldom do they choose to play the whole thing.
b) I really don't want to go back and look through the tourography again unless it was for something more significant.
c) I don't think people care that much about the "full album" thing. This thread is meant more individual songs, considering that seems to be a far more frequently pondered subject around here...
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You should add how many times an album has been played in full.
I agree with setrataeso. Look at it like this:
WDaDU was played once on its 15th anniversary.
IaW was played a few times around the time of its 15th anniversary.
SFaM was played a number of times around the time it came out.
Is it so important to know any more than that?
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You should add how many times an album has been played in full.
I agree with setrataeso. Look at it like this:
WDaDU was played once on its 15th anniversary.
IaW was played a few times around the time of its 15th anniversary.
SFaM was played a number of times around the time it came out.
Is it so important to know any more than that?
Octavarium was played in full a few times as well.
Yeah, the album stuff is pretty simple and is easily accessible.
The song stuff can pretty much only be found here (maybe setlists.com as well...)
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You should add how many times an album has been played in full.
I agree with setrataeso. Look at it like this:
WDaDU was played once on its 15th anniversary.
IaW was played a few times around the time of its 15th anniversary.
SFaM was played a number of times around the time it came out.
Is it so important to know any more than that?
Octavarium was played in full a few times as well.
Yeah, the album stuff is pretty simple and is easily accessible.
The song stuff can pretty much only be found here (maybe setlists.com as well...)
Oh really? Interesting. And now that I think of it, Train of Thought was played once in its entirety on the very first show of that tour. I seem to remember reading that it was a practice show for the rest of the tour or something and as such MP has requested that no bootlegs of the show circulate.
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Eh. It was just a suggestion no need to get all mad about it.
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Eh. It was just a suggestion no need to get all mad about it.
Not mad. Just stating why I choose not to do it.
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I believe 8V and ToT were each played in full once, in Rome and Manchester respectively.
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I believe 8V and ToT were each played in full once, in Rome and Manchester respectively.
Yeah, I remember Romavarium. Manchester I think slipped my mind.
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Updating is back in session for The Final Frontier Tour.
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Train of Thought:
As I Am: 185
This Dying Soul: 76
Endless Sacrifice: 150
Honour Thy Father: 43
Vacant: 19
Stream of Consciousness: 60
In the Name of God: 103 (also played 79 times on Schmedley Wilcox)
(https://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c248/xg2099/1270297548911.jpg)
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I believe 8V and ToT were each played in full once, in Rome and Manchester respectively.
Octavarium was also played in full in Japan.
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Train of Thought:
As I Am: 185
This Dying Soul: 76
Endless Sacrifice: 150
Honour Thy Father: 43
Vacant: 19
Stream of Consciousness: 60
In the Name of God: 103 (also played 79 times on Schmedley Wilcox)
(https://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c248/xg2099/1270297548911.jpg)
I run the archive, I choose the spelling.
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Oh, come on. The correct spelling is "Honor." And I'm not talking about "correct" as in nationality, but just "correct" as in "how the band spells it."
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Oh, come on. The correct spelling is "Honor." And I'm not talking about "correct" as in nationality, but just "correct" as in "how the band spells it."
Pff, whatever.
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Oh, come on. The correct spelling is "Honor." And I'm not talking about "correct" as in nationality, but just "correct" as in "how the band spells it."
Pff, whatever.
???
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Stick it to the man, setrataeso. :lol
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Oh, come on. The correct spelling is "Honor." And I'm not talking about "correct" as in nationality, but just "correct" as in "how the band spells it."
Pff, whatever.
???
Nah, I changed it.
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:tup
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UPDATED AS OF 07/21/10 - 2ND NORTH AMERICAN LEG
Images & Words
Pull Me Under - 681
Metropolis - 590
Awake
The Mirror - 230
Lie - 278
Falling into Infinity
Hollow Years - 239
Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory
Home - 256
Train of Thought
As I Am - 206
Octavarium
Panic Attack - 168
Systematic Chaos
Constant Motion - 154
Black Clouds & Silver Linings
A Nightmare to Remember - 78
A Rite of Passage - 102
Wither - 23
The Count of Tuscany - 74
Song Checkpoints
06/21/10 - Panic Attack reaches 150
07/11/10 - Home reaches 250
07/11/10 - As I Am reaches 200
07/14/10 - Constant Motion reaches 150
07/17/10 - A Rite of Passage reaches 100
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You should add how many times an album has been played in full.
Two months later, I decided to look it up:
When Dream and Day Unite - 1
Images and Words - 5
Awake - 0
Falling into Infinity - 0
Scenes from a Memory - 28
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence - 0
Train of Thought - 1
Octavarium - 2
Systematic Chaos - 0
Black Clouds & Silver Linings - 0
Also, there have been instances when all the songs from a given album have been played at the concert, just not in the correct order and/or with other songs included between them as well:
When Dream and Day Unite - 3
Images and Words - 187
Train of Thought - 3
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Where are the setlists?!
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Where are the setlists?!
Wrong thread...
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Scenes from a Memory - 28
This seems low.
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Scenes from a Memory - 28
This seems low.
Well look at it like this: Regression has only been played live 29 times, so they couldn't possibly have played the the album in its entirely more than 29 times. The reason it's only 28 is because at one show (2/4/2000 Los Angeles, CA) they got shut down before they could play Finally Free. Thus, Scenes from a Memory has been played in its entirety 28 times:
1/31/2000 Phoenix, AZ
2/1/2000 Las Vegas, NV
2/2/2000 Santa Ana, CA
2/5/2000 Los Angeles, CA
2/6/2000 San Francisco, CA
2/8/2000 Salt Lake City, UT
2/9/2000 Denver, CO
2/15/2000 Cincinnati, OH
2/19/2000 Pittsburgh, PA
2/23/2000 New Haven, CT
2/25/2000 Philadelphia, PA
2/26/2000 New York, NY
2/27/2000 Boston, MA
3/3/2000 Orlando, FL
4/1/2000 Offenbach, Germany
7/9/2000 Essen, Germany
7/12/2000 Hamburg, Germany
7/14/2000 Athens, Greece
7/18/2000 Ljubljana, Slovenia
7/19/2000 Budapest, Hungary
7/20/2000 Zlin, Czech Republic
8/18/2000 San Diego, CA
8/20/2000 Los Angeles, CA
8/23/2000 Houston, TX
8/29/2000 Wallingford, CT
8/30/2000 New York, NY
12/4/2005 Buenos Aires, Argentina
12/11/2005 Sao Paulo, Brazil
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Still seems low - maybe this might be due to the fact that the MP.com tourography is missing some setlists. Because I know for a fact that the album was played several times in England.
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Fair enough. I took a look at some of the other setlists from that time period and noticed that there were quite a few that said "The set list for this show is coming soon." I wonder how long it's been like that for...
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Fair enough. I took a look at some of the other setlists from that time period and noticed that there were quite a few that said "The set list for this show is coming soon." I wonder how long it's been like that for...
That'd be a Setlist Scotty question.
I did keep track of all the dates that are listed as "coming soon" and I do check back on a regular basis. Still, no updates yet...
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Out of curiosity, how many are there?
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66 dates unknown:
10/30/1997
11/24/1997
12/4/1997
12/11/1997
12/17/1997
12/19/1997
12/20/1997
2/25/1998
4/2/1998
4/11/1998
4/13/1998
4/16/1998
4/17/1998
5/24/1998
6/12/1998
6/13/1998
6/15/1998
6/16/1998
6/17/1998
6/19/1998
6/23/1998
6/27/1998
9/26/1998
2/11/2000
2/12/2000
2/13/2000
2/14/2000
2/17/2000
2/18/2000
2/20/2000
2/21/2000
2/28/2000
3/1/2000
3/4/2000
3/5/2000
3/7/2000
3/8/2000
3/10/2000
3/24/2000
3/26/2000
3/27/2000
3/28/2000
3/30/2000
3/31/2000
4/3/2000
4/4/2000
4/5/2000
4/7/2000
4/8/2000
4/11/2000
4/12/2000
4/13/2000
4/15/2000
4/16/2000
4/18/2000
4/19/2000
4/20/2000
5/6/2000
5/8/2000
5/10/2000
5/11/2000
5/12/2000
5/14/2000
5/15/2000
5/16/2000
5/20/2000
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Interesting, thanks. Have you thought about PMing Scotty to ask about that?
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Interesting, thanks. Have you thought about PMing Scotty to ask about that?
Nah, this is really just a hobby/project for DTF I do.
The tourography is part of Scotty's job.
I wouldn't feel right telling him how to do his job...
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Interesting, thanks. Have you thought about PMing Scotty to ask about that?
Nah, this is really just a hobby/project for DTF I do.
The tourography is part of Scotty's job.
I wouldn't feel right telling him how to do his job...
No no, I just meant asking him about it (ie. why? when?), not telling him to get on it.
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Well, If I asked Scotty, then he would have to go talk with Mike. Considering Mike's pretty busy right now, what with A7X (or however the hell you abbreviate it).
I will get around to it at some point.
Plus, Scotty hasn't updated the South American BC&SL leg or the IM Summer Tour. He may be waiting for the Japanese duo of shows before he puts them up, but we'll see.
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Those 66 shows have been 'coming soon' for years, so I don't expect them to be updated any time in the near future.
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Yeah, I figured about as much.
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Strange Deja Vue: 220
Sorry, but this is bugging me. My OCD is getting the best of me.
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Strange Deja Vue: 220
Sorry, but this is bugging me. My OCD is getting the best of me.
Oh wow. Tots magotes did not notice that.
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Cool lol. Sorry for being a jerk :lol. Nice list you have here.
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Cool lol. Sorry for being a jerk :lol. Nice list you have here.
No, I'm glad you pointed that out.
And thanks man.
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2/11/2000
2/12/2000
2/13/2000
2/14/2000
2/17/2000
2/18/2000
2/20/2000
2/21/2000
2/28/2000
3/1/2000
3/4/2000
3/5/2000
3/7/2000
3/8/2000
3/10/2000
3/24/2000
3/26/2000
3/27/2000
3/28/2000
3/30/2000
3/31/2000
4/3/2000
4/4/2000
4/5/2000
4/7/2000
4/8/2000
4/11/2000
4/12/2000
4/13/2000
4/15/2000
4/16/2000
4/18/2000
4/19/2000
4/20/2000
5/6/2000
5/8/2000
5/10/2000
5/11/2000
5/12/2000
5/14/2000
5/15/2000
5/16/2000
5/20/2000
I would imagine that a good number of these, if not every one of them, were full performances of SFAM.
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hmm would it be easy to see what has been played in phoenix the most? Like a top 10? That could be pretty cool to see!
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hmm would it be easy to see what has been played in phoenix the most? Like a top 10? That could be pretty cool to see!
You could check the MP tourography for city-specific setlists.
But, I went ahead and found out for you:
Pull Me Under: 5 (11/24/92, 1/31/00, 3/7/02, 7/23/05, 6/17/10)
Take the Time: 5 (11/24/92, 1/31/00, 3/7/02, 8/8/02, 3/6/06)
Home: 5 (1/31/00, 8/19/00, 3/7/02, 3/6/06, 6/17/10)
The Spirit Carries On: 5 (1/31/00, 8/19/00, 3/7/02, 8/8/02, 7/25/07)
Learning to Live: 4 (11/24/92, 8/19/00, 3/6/06, 7/25/07)
Fatal Tragedy: 4 (1/31/00, 8/19/00, 8/8/02, 7/23/05)
Those are the songs that have been played more than 3 times in DT's history in Phoenix.
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Interesting statistic drawn from your numbers, setrataeso (not that you couldn't easily have determined this yourself; I was just curious) - Dream Theater's most played songs (100 plays or more):
1. Pull Me Under: 681
2. Metropolis Pt. 1: 590
3. Take the Time: 475
4. Under A Glass Moon: 434
5. Learning to Live: 429
6. Surrounded: 362
7. Another Day: 347
8. Voices: 297
9. The Spirit Carries On: 291
10. Lie: 278
11. Peruvian Skies: 257
12. Home: 256
13. Ytsejam: 245
14. Hollow Years: 239
15. Wait for Sleep: 237
Erotomania: 237
17. The Mirror: 230
18. Strange Deja Vu: 220
19. Fatal Tragedy: 217
20. A Fortune in Lies: 210
21. As I Am: 206
22. Lines in the Sand: 181
23. Just Let Me Breathe: 180
24. Caught in a Web: 176
25. Panic Attack: 168
26. Only a Matter of Time: 160
27. Constant Motion: 154
28. 6:00: 151
29. Endless Sacrifice: 150
30. The Killing Hand: 145
31. New Millennium: 142
32. Through My Words: 141
33. The Silent Man: 139
34. Lifting Shadows off a Dream: 135
35. Puppies on Acid: 128
36. Burning my Soul: 126
37. The Glass Prison: 125
38. Beyond This Life: 116
The Dance of Eternity: 116
40. Solitary Shell: 114
41. A Crack in the Mirror: 107
42. Overture 1928: 104
43. In the Name of God: 103
44. A Rite of Passage: 102
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I like how the top 7 are Images & Words songs. No real surprise there, though :P
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Ha interesting! Thanks! I've seen DT once (with IM), so two of those were on that tours set list.
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Ha interesting! Thanks! I've seen DT once (with IM), so two of those were on that tours set list.
Umm...actually all six were:
As I Am - 206
A Rite of Passage - 102
Home - 256
Constant Motion - 154
Panic Attack - 168
Pull Me Under - 681
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I like how the top 7 are Images & Words songs. No real surprise there, though :P
And when I saw them for the first time last year none of them were played :sadpanda:
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Ha interesting! Thanks! I've seen DT once (with IM), so two of those were on that tours set list.
Umm...actually all six were:
As I Am - 206
A Rite of Passage - 102
Home - 256
Constant Motion - 154
Panic Attack - 168
Pull Me Under - 681
Guess I should have quoted, I was talking about the ones Set posted.
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Oh okay, that makes more sense, sorry.
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UPDATED AS OF 8/8/10 - SUMMER FESTIVALS LEG
Images & Words
Pull Me Under - 683
Metropolis - 592
Systematic Chaos
Prophets of War - 32
Black Clouds & Silver Linings
A Nightmare to Remember - 80
A Rite of Passage - 104
Wither - 25
The Count of Tuscany - 76
Song Checkpoints
None
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EDIT: Ninja'd. Never mind.
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What?
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Well, If I asked Scotty, then he would have to go talk with Mike. Considering Mike's pretty busy right now, what with A7X (or however the hell you abbreviate it).
Hmm.
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Well, If I asked Scotty, then he would have to go talk with Mike. Considering Mike's pretty busy right now, what with A7X (or however the hell you abbreviate it).
Hmm.
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They played the entire 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence SONG....in order in Ottawa. It's a 2 disc..so I guess the whole album didn't get played....I think they played the great debate as well that evening.
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They played the entire 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence SONG....in order in Ottawa. It's a 2 disc..so I guess the whole album didn't get played....I think they played the great debate as well that evening.
Yep.
That looked like an amazing show, btw. I wasn't a fan back then, but I'm glad the IM 2010 Tour set wasn't the only one to grace our nation's capital, because...well...that would just be sad...
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it has been reported that that is the largest attended show ever at that venue (capitol city music hall)
They opened by turning all the lights out and the booming cello of the Psycho theme blasted us for nearly 5 minutes.
I'd love to find a bootleg of that show. Sadly I think I'm S.O.L
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it has been reported that that is the largest attended show ever at that venue (capitol city music hall)
They opened by turning all the lights out and the booming cello of the Psycho theme blasted us for nearly 5 minutes.
I'd love to find a bootleg of that show. Sadly I think I'm S.O.L
Oh man, so would I. If you ever find one, let me know.
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No updates to be made, just here to state that I will be back in the archivist postion starting in the summer tour.
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Good to hear. I will be in the setlist recorder role.
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Go Team Concerts and Setlists!
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New tour began today. The most recent songs played have been added to the archive.
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You should add how many times an album has been played in full.
I agree with setrataeso. Look at it like this:
WDaDU was played once on its 15th anniversary.
IaW was played a few times around the time of its 15th anniversary.
SFaM was played a number of times around the time it came out.
Is it so important to know any more than that?
Note that Train of Thought was played in its entirety in track listed order on the first show of TOT tour. So the opening set of that entire tour was the newest album in full. How unexpectedly prog was that?
The answer is "very".
It was very unexpectedly prog.
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Bass Solo: 6
they need to make this go up
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Notable occurrences on A Dramatic Turn of Events Tour - 1st European Leg:
On the Back of Angels : 1 (07/04/11)
Ytse Jam: 250 (07/09/11)
Through My Words: 150 (07/19/11)
Under a Glass Moon: 450 (07/28/11)
The Great Debate: 100 (07/31/11)
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This thread rules... Thanks!
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Haha no problem dude.
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Notable occurrences on Dramatic Tour of Events 1st American Leg:
Build Me Up, Break Me Down 1 (09/24/11)
Bridges in the Sky 1 (09/24/11)
Outcry 1 (09/24/11)
Beneath the Surface 1 (09/24/11)
Far from Heaven 1 (09/25/11)
Breaking all Illusions 1 (09/25/11)
Caught in a Web 200 (10/04/11)
These Walls 50 (10/06/11)
Fatal Tragedy 250 (10/12/11)
The Silent Man 150 (10/21/11)
Forsaken 100 (10/23/11)
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cool i saw the 100th forsaken
ehh
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Notable occurrences on Dramatic Tour of Events 2nd European Leg:
On the Backs of Angels 50 (1/23/12)
The Dark Eternal Night - 100 (1/25/12)
Wait for Sleep 250 (1/25/12)
Pull Me Under 700 (2/01/12)
The Root of All Evil - 100 (2/03/12)
The Spirit Carries On 300 (2/03/12)
Build Me Up, Break Me Down 50 (2/24/12)
Bridges in the Sky - 50 (2/24/12)
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Notable occurrences on Dramatic Tour of Events 2nd American Leg:
Lost Not Forgotten 1 (6/15/12 )
This is the Life 1 (6/15/12)
Metropolis Pt. 1 600 (6/15/12)
Surrounded 400 (6/17/12)
A Fortune in Lies 250 (6/25/12)
The Test that Stumped Them All 100 (7/1/12)
6:00 - 200 (7/7/12)
War Inside my Head 100 (7/9/12)
On the Backs of Angels - 100 (7/12/12)
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Notable occurrences on Dramatic Tour of Events South American Leg:
The Spirit Carries On - 350 (8/10/12)