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Title: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on October 15, 2009, 01:15:45 PM
Porcupine Tree - The Incident
2009
Progressive Rock

The last two, perhaps three, Porcupine Tree records had songs I adored alongside songs I loathed in various ratios. I loved most of In Absentia, I liked most of Deadwing, but I didn’t like much of Fear of a Blank Planet. Such is the risk when you approach music the way Steven Wilson does, never establishing a core sound for your band and trying new things with each successive release. You’re going to please some people - we’ve all heard fans cry genius - and you’re going to disappoint some people - we’ve all heard haters cry overrated.

Personally, I’ve always found his craft more interesting than satisfying. I only love about half his work with Porcupine Tree, but I’ll never criticize him for experimenting with their sound and trying to push it to new limits because I love it when artists do that. If I don’t happen to enjoy it all the time, then so be it.

The Incident is, a little surprisingly, their most consistent offering since Lightbulb Sun. It drags a little toward the middle of the s/t song cycle, and “Bonnie the Cat” isn’t so good, but it’s an otherwise wholly stellar release and one of the finest of 2009.

The reason it’s better than its immediate predecessors is because I think Wilson tapped into a songwriting groove more in touch with his greatest strengths. He’s been testing the waters of hard rock and heavy metal oh-so-sporadically on their last few albums, and earlier on in their career he was considerably more trippy, but here he seems to have gone back to a more Radiohead-esque style that serves him better. When I say “Radiohead-esque” I don’t mean he’s ripping off Radiohead; rather, I mean that he’s playing more hooky, alternative rock with a unique spin to it. There are more tracks where he just has an acoustic guitar in his hand or a piano playing and he just runs with it, as opposed to having rockin’ riffs ala “Shallow” or “Fear of a Blank Planet”. It’s a considerably more subtle, understated work than anything we’ve seen from Porcupine Tree recently.

One negative I will point out is that there doesn’t seem to be as much soul crushing material as on previous outings. There isn’t a single track that invokes a similar reaction to the first time I heard “A Smart Kid”, “Trains” or “Arriving Somewhere...” However, many come close, the stretches from “The Blind House” - “Kneel and Disconnect” and “The Seance” - “I Drive the Hearse” being the two staunchest examples. And that's the way it was meant to be, most likely; better as a whole and not as a dissolution of its parts.

I think it’s worth mentioning The Incident isn’t as great a change from what came before it as, say, Signify was to Stupid Dream. Wilson has gotten his hands dirty in so many side projects nowadays I don’t think he has as much to pour into Porcupine Tree experimentally. However, it’s just as promising a change, which is saying a lot, because Stupid Dream is one of my favorite records ever.

What did you guys think?

Stand-Outs: "The Blind House", "I Drive the Hearse", "Flicker"

Rating: 8/10
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Sigz on October 15, 2009, 02:53:10 PM
Good review overall. I personally would have rated it a little higher, probably an 8.5 or 9, but I know you're a hard reviewer. I definitely agree that it's a situation where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

WTF moment of the day:

Quote
“Bonnie the Cat” isn’t so good
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 15, 2009, 06:05:21 PM
Good review overall. I personally would have rated it a little higher, probably an 8.5 or 9, but I know you're a hard reviewer. I definitely agree that it's a situation where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

WTF moment of the day:

Quote
“Bonnie the Cat” isn’t so good
Pretty much all of this.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Space Invader on October 16, 2009, 04:40:31 PM
Good review overall. I personally would have rated it a little higher, probably an 8.5 or 9, but I know you're a hard reviewer. I definitely agree that it's a situation where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

WTF moment of the day:

Quote
“Bonnie the Cat” isn’t so good
Pretty much all of this.

Yup
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: mizzl on October 21, 2009, 09:54:58 AM
Good review overall. I personally would have rated it a little higher, probably an 8.5 or 9, but I know you're a hard reviewer. I definitely agree that it's a situation where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

WTF moment of the day:

Quote
“Bonnie the Cat” isn’t so good
Pretty much all of this.
Yup
This
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Quadrochosis on October 22, 2009, 09:02:13 PM
Good review overall. I personally would have rated it a little higher, probably an 8.5 or 9, but I know you're a hard reviewer. I definitely agree that it's a situation where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

WTF moment of the day:

Quote
“Bonnie the Cat” isn’t so good

Couldn't have said it better myself.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 23, 2009, 09:27:22 PM
I really, really don't like this album at all... I agree Deadwing is pretty good but everything else from PT aside from Lightbulb Sun and parts of In Absentia is pretty boring to me.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: OsMosis2259 on October 24, 2009, 11:41:44 AM
Good review. I do like Bonnie the Cat a lot and i think its my fav from the 2nd disc.

I think the whole thing is great besides Drawing the Line chorus.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Space Invader on October 24, 2009, 12:56:45 PM
WTF of the Day for Me:

I really, really don't like this album at all... I agree Deadwing is pretty good but everything else from PT aside from Lightbulb Sun and parts of In Absentia is pretty boring to me.

Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on October 24, 2009, 01:03:10 PM
I really, really don't like this album at all... I agree Deadwing is pretty good but everything else from PT aside from Lightbulb Sun and parts of In Absentia is pretty boring to me.

Why don't you like it? Does it bore you? Does it annoy you?
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Sintheros on October 25, 2009, 03:12:15 AM
The Incident is, a little surprisingly, their most consistent offering since Lightbulb Sun.

You think so? It's a lot jumpier than say, Deadwing, which was pretty similar throughout. The only inconsistent bits are the heavy part of ASBNH, the pseudo-heaviness of Shallow, and Glass Arm, which is all around meh. Incident on the other hand flips from BOOM BOOM BOOM to Great Expectations in less than a second, then from haunting to IM DRAWING THE LINE! in about the same time, then from the first minute of Octane Twisted to the rest of Octane Twisted, also in about the same time, just to name a few.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on October 25, 2009, 07:46:15 AM
The Incident is, a little surprisingly, their most consistent offering since Lightbulb Sun.

You think so? It's a lot jumpier than say, Deadwing, which was pretty similar throughout. The only inconsistent bits are the heavy part of ASBNH, the pseudo-heaviness of Shallow, and Glass Arm, which is all around meh. Incident on the other hand flips from BOOM BOOM BOOM to Great Expectations in less than a second, then from haunting to IM DRAWING THE LINE! in about the same time, then from the first minute of Octane Twisted to the rest of Octane Twisted, also in about the same time, just to name a few.

I'm talking about quality, not styles or tones or anything like that.

And if I misread you and you were talking about quality as well, then I stand by what I said.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Sintheros on October 25, 2009, 11:45:42 AM
The Incident is, a little surprisingly, their most consistent offering since Lightbulb Sun.

You think so? It's a lot jumpier than say, Deadwing, which was pretty similar throughout. The only inconsistent bits are the heavy part of ASBNH, the pseudo-heaviness of Shallow, and Glass Arm, which is all around meh. Incident on the other hand flips from BOOM BOOM BOOM to Great Expectations in less than a second, then from haunting to IM DRAWING THE LINE! in about the same time, then from the first minute of Octane Twisted to the rest of Octane Twisted, also in about the same time, just to name a few.

I'm talking about quality, not styles or tones or anything like that.

And if I misread you and you were talking about quality as well, then I stand by what I said.

Ah nope, I was talking about styles and tones. You thought the quality was down on IA?
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on October 25, 2009, 11:52:20 AM
Not down just more inconsistent. Songs like "Wedding Nails" and ".3" and "The Creator Has a Mastertape" never clicked with me, although I never heard them in 5.1. :sadpanda:

TI doesn't have anything like that. It's steadily good with some minor drops whereas IA is mostly amazing with bigger drops.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Sintheros on October 26, 2009, 02:15:41 AM
"The Creator Has a Mastertape"

is probably my 2nd favorite on the album after Trains. :sadpanda:

Wedding Nails is probably the bottom though.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Darkes7 on October 26, 2009, 08:26:52 AM
The Creator Has a Mastertape is the song that got me into listening to IA, and in consequence, getting into PT (had heard Deadwing before, but didn't explore the discography any further afterwards).

For me, The Incident is probably going to be my PT favourite. I can't find any weakness on the whole album, and there are a lot of awesome things in it.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: AcidLameLTE on October 26, 2009, 10:00:37 AM
The Creator Has a Mastertape is one of my faviourite PT songs :hat
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Nick on October 26, 2009, 10:19:22 AM
One of my favorites on the album for sure.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on October 26, 2009, 11:12:45 AM
Looks like I'll have to give it another listen soon. :hat
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 26, 2009, 03:43:49 PM
The Creator Has a Mastertape is one of my faviourite PT songs :hat
One of my favorites on the album for sure.
These.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Darkes7 on October 26, 2009, 03:47:47 PM
It's fallen down a bit in my rankings a bit since then (on IA there's Gravity Eyelids, Heartattack in a Layby and Lips of Ashes above), but it's still a damn good song and I can see why I loved it instantly.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 27, 2009, 09:47:00 PM
I really, really don't like this album at all... I agree Deadwing is pretty good but everything else from PT aside from Lightbulb Sun and parts of In Absentia is pretty boring to me.

Why don't you like it? Does it bore you? Does it annoy you?

More the first but SW in general is starting to annoy me.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Darkes7 on October 29, 2009, 09:31:13 AM
In what way?
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 29, 2009, 07:19:54 PM
Half of everything he does is slow, boring, and makes me want to fall asleep.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Shadoshi on October 31, 2009, 05:11:01 AM
I think the whole thing is great besides Drawing the Line chorus.

Disagree. The piano backing that section makes the melody incredibly powerful and I'm really glad they wrote the section the way they did. It's catchy, but it's well written catchy, so no one's getting ripped off.

Anyway, this is my favorite PT album, easily. Every melody played on the album is one I feel myself always wanting to hear.

I only have IA, DW, FoABP, and NC otherwise.

I rate them: TI > FoABP > NC > DW > IA.

I want Lightbulb Sun. NAO.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: kári on November 07, 2009, 01:05:32 PM
As a BIG PT fan, I would just like to say I believe The Incident sucks.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: orcus116 on November 08, 2009, 01:20:14 AM
Like I said in the other PT thread, if you're a PT fan and you can't find anything in The Incident you like you're a complete and utter liar. It has got to be the most collective album they have.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Darkes7 on November 08, 2009, 06:00:39 AM
To be honest I'm slowly starting to get the impression that everything without a Trains-like song sucks. Lightbulb Sun is the most awesomest album ever created, IA is not much less awesome because it has Trains, Deadwing is ok because it has at least Lazarus (which is far better than Trains btw), FOABP is boring and sucks because there's nothing like Trains, The Incident sucks even more because there's no nice simple songs at all. They've made a huge step forward with the last two albums and they're better and more consistent in every way, but who gives a damn? We need Trains. Anything above 6 minutes is boring.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: orcus116 on November 08, 2009, 07:11:18 AM
If everything above 6 minutes is boring then you should love most of The Incident ;)
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Darkes7 on November 08, 2009, 10:14:25 AM
It won't work as it's basically 55 minutes overall.

Sorry if that previous post felt like I'm an asshole, but I'm really sick and tired of this. Wherever I go, I see "Trains is the best song ever", "The Incident sucks" and "[put title of a random long song here, e.g. Gravity Eyelids] is too long and boring". It's called progressive rock for a reason. Progression and variety. Not albums made of 5-minute simple rock songs. I'm glad SW doesn't care about that and does what he wants, otherwise PT would be competing with Coldplay at the moment.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Sintheros on November 08, 2009, 11:17:52 PM
Lightbulb Sun is the most awesomest album ever created.

6th from the top in my opinion.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: kári on November 09, 2009, 11:43:49 AM
Don't get me wrong. I love PT a LOT. Russia on Ice, Stop Swimming, Anesthetize and Arriving Somewhere... are all songs I rank among my favorites as well. FOAB is also great, even though I like it less than their other albums, it has it's strong points. The Incident does not. It's just a boring collection of songs put together to seemingly create a whole, but they don't. And I don't like any of them. As I said, Kneel and Disconnect is the only song with potential.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Blind_FaithX on November 09, 2009, 11:59:36 AM
Ruben, I'm pretty sure you haven't listen to the album enough. My first impression of it wasn't that good. But it's one of the album I know that grew on me the best. The more you listen to it the more you love it. Seriously, it started close to the bottom of PT's discography for me, and now I'd easily say it's my second favorite after IA.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: kári on November 09, 2009, 01:11:07 PM
Sigh... I'll listen to it a few more times in the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Blind_FaithX on November 09, 2009, 01:26:03 PM
You wont regret it, believe me  :tup
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Quadrochosis on November 09, 2009, 02:06:26 PM
You wont regret it, believe me  :tup
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Darkes7 on November 09, 2009, 04:03:14 PM
You wont regret it, believe me  :tup
This exactly. It takes some time.
Title: Re: [Music] Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Post by: Rafael Guerra on November 21, 2009, 03:54:49 PM
Wow, im gonna parachute late here. I got the album recently (it took some while to ARRIVE in my country)
I think its an overall good album, but at least to me it was disappointing. There was absolutely nothing in the album that hooked me up like Anesthetize, Fear Of A Blank Planet, Arriving Somewhere But Not Here, Pure Narcotic or Deadwing. Good concept, some good sections but nothing that completely hooked me to the point I couldn´t stop listening to it. Does it mean its a bad album? Absolutely NOT, I love PT and as a fan I will like all the released work and try to understand it, but its still hard to argue it was one of their strongest albums.