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Dream Theater => Concerts and Set Lists => Topic started by: splent on October 08, 2009, 12:32:53 PM
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The only reason I ask is a BIG part of the reason why I did not go to the concert this last leg is because I don't want to be shelling out fifty bucks for a ticket to see a concert where I'm only interested in seeing the last band. The last Prog Nation tour I really did not like the opening bands very much... I thought redemption was OK, 3 was eh, and I did not like Between the Buried and Me at all. I was thinking about going this past Progressive Nation tour but once the bands changed had no desire to. When I pay a lot of money for a ticket I want to get my money's worth. Every time I've seen the opening bands I've been turned off because 2 of them I dont' like and 1 I haven't heard enough of yet.
I'd rather shell out $75 to listen to 3 hours of DT than to shell out $50 and hear 90 minutes of DT and not pay attention to the 3 opening bands if I don't like them. I hope that the opening bands spark my interest so I can go hear DT, but because I'm not going to any concerts, I'm finding I'm not nearly as into DT as I was 2 years ago.
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They need to either stick with the Evening With... format (which they can't do for a long period) or have one opening band and then 2.5 hours of DT. I would be satisified with both but i didn't go this year to NA PN09 due to the fact i had no interest to see any of the other bands except DT.
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I vote for a RCMH-like every year, where fans from all over can come for one special, long show (or maybe a few around the country/world) so they don't get wore out but fans can get the evening with
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They will.
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Well, if over here in America, if they have just Pain of Salvation play for an hour or (hopefully less) so... then DT can do 2.5 hours. Which most bands do nowadays
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Well, if over here in America, if they have just Pain of Salvation play for an hour or (hopefully less) so... then DT can do 2.5 hours. Which most bands do nowadays
Is PoS going to do the headlining tour?
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Well, if over here in America, if they have just Pain of Salvation play for an hour or (hopefully less) so... then DT can do 2.5 hours. Which most bands do nowadays
Is PoS going to do the headlining tour?
They are opening for the Australia Headlining Tour so i really doubt they will tour with DT in the U.S. since MP doesn't repeat himself (and thank God).
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I was just using that as an example. Sorry for any confusion.
(I personally hope its Beardfish over here in America)
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They will.
Well, I don't know how far in the future we're talking, but it makes me happy in any case!
I have to say, Progressive Nation has been a great experience, the first one I could have done without BTBAM (mainly because they aren't PROG), but they have been well organized, well executed festivals. It sucks only having 90 minutes of DT, but I honestly had a fantastic time at all three of the shows I went to this past tour, not only were the first two bands cool, but I had a great time hanging out with Scale the Summit, and meeting the guys from Bigelf. By the third show some of the Scale the Summit guys were saying, "You again!".
So yeah, I'd like more DT, but Progressive Nation has been a success thus far in my book.
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I really hope so. If they ever do a "last ever concert" it better be an Evening With.
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Well, if over here in America, if they have just Pain of Salvation play for an hour or (hopefully less) so... then DT can do 2.5 hours. Which most bands do nowadays
I would be happy with this, except replace PoS with Riverside (1hr set). I know they opened for DT in '07 in Europe. But, have they ever toured the States?
I've seen 2 PN concerts , definetly ready for a headlining set or evening with. 90 minutes is just not enough.
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Well, if over here in America, if they have just Pain of Salvation play for an hour or (hopefully less) so... then DT can do 2.5 hours. Which most bands do nowadays
Is PoS going to do the headlining tour?
They are opening for the Australia Headlining Tour so i really doubt they will tour with DT in the U.S. since MP doesn't repeat himself (and thank God).
Sorry RMV, but you are WAY off. The whole "MP doesn't repeat himself" ONLY applies regarding the various territories - it's the reason why Opeth is on the European bill this year, and was on the North American bill last year. In other words, there's still a very good chance PoS could open for DT next spring in North America, even tho they're already opening for them in Oz. Sorry to burst your bubble.
That said, I agree with robbob - as much as I used to love PoS, I'll take Riverside over them (and everyone else) as DT's opener any day.
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Although I prefer Riverside to Pain of Salvation, I saw Riverside's only non-festival gig in North America, and I've never seen PoS, so I'd like to see them.
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If we're talking about who we'd like to open for DT, I'd like Symphony X or a band like Sonata Arctica/Stratovarius.
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Symphony X has done America with DT, so it won't happen. And knowing the type of music MP is trying to promote I can give a 99% sure guess that Sonata/Strat won't be going on tour with DT.
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How do you get to hang out with all those bands, Nick? Are you just lucky or what?
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Symphony X has done America with DT, so it won't happen. And knowing the type of music MP is trying to promote I can give a 99% sure guess that Sonata/Strat won't be going on tour with DT.
A man can dream. Just no more bands like Into Eternity. Awful awful awful
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How do you get to hang out with all those bands, Nick? Are you just lucky or what?
No, Scale the Summit and Bigelf came out to the merch booth between sets at every show.
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Just no more bands like Into Eternity. Awful awful awful
Amen, brutha!
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Just more Into Eternity. Awesome awesome awesome
Amen, brutha!
;D
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Just no more bands like Into Eternity. Awful awful awful
Amen, brutha!
True that. And Unexpect, and BigElf and bands like that.
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Just no more bands like Into Eternity. Awful awful awful
Amen, brutha!
QFT.
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My gosh... I just listened to Into Eternity.... :-\ Mike had them as an opening act :-[
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Just no more bands like Into Eternity. Awful awful awful
Amen, brutha!
True that. And Unexpect, and BigElf and bands like that.
Well the only thing they have in common is they are opening acts, so in other words you hate all opening acts? :huh:
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Just no more bands like Into Eternity. Awful awful awful
Amen, brutha!
True that. And Unexpect, and BigElf and bands like that.
I actually like BigElf. But I've never heard Unexpect
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Bigelf were great. The only two horrid opening acts in recent years have been Into Eternity and BtBaM.
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Bigelf were great. The only two horrid opening acts in recent years have been Into Eternity and BtBaM.
haha, oh man
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Bigelf were great. The only two horrid opening acts in recent years have been Into Eternity and BtBaM.
:|
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Damn. As much as I love Colors, I've heard nothing but bad things about BtBaM's live shows. Even from people who like that kind of music.
Pain of Salvation (they could co-headline as far as I'm concerned, but their fanbase in the states is so puny)
Redemption
Cynic
Alter Bridge
Muse
Iron Maiden (maybe in a few years, they'll be able to coheadline!)
dredg (weird but why not?)
Blind Guardian
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What about Beardfish... would no one want them to open in America
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3 opening acts are too much. I got to know that in the USA, it's quite normal to have so many opening acts - but why?
Having seen DT first in 1993 and then 12 times on all the tours (except on the Octavarium tour, because I did not like the ToT tour at all...), I have to say that 3 hours of DT is too much for me now. They always had great opening acts (though I don't remember the first ones very well or not at all - but that's because of my bad memory and the number of concerts I saw), so I'd prefer them with 1 opening act.
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3 opening acts are too much. I got to know that in the USA, it's quite normal to have so many opening acts - but why?
Having seen DT first in 1993 and then 12 times on all the tours (except on the Octavarium tour, because I did not like the ToT tour at all...), I have to say that 3 hours of DT is too much for me now. They always had great opening acts (though I don't remember the first ones very well or not at all - but that's because of my bad memory and the number of concerts I saw), so I'd prefer them with 1 opening act.
Three opening acts is total suckage. Symphony X only played for about an hour and ten minutes because of three absolutely horrendous opening bands. I paid for Symphony X, not Metallica/Pantera wannabes
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How long do opening acts play for when they open for DT.
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Damn. As much as I love Colors, I've heard nothing but bad things about BtBaM's live shows. Even from people who like that kind of music.
they've been fantastic every time that I've seen them
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3 opening acts are too much. I got to know that in the USA, it's quite normal to have so many opening acts - but why?
Having seen DT first in 1993 and then 12 times on all the tours (except on the Octavarium tour, because I did not like the ToT tour at all...), I have to say that 3 hours of DT is too much for me now. They always had great opening acts (though I don't remember the first ones very well or not at all - but that's because of my bad memory and the number of concerts I saw), so I'd prefer them with 1 opening act.
Three opening acts is total suckage. Symphony X only played for about an hour and ten minutes because of three absolutely horrendous opening bands. I paid for Symphony X, not Metallica/Pantera wannabes
Symphony X did not play that short because of opening acts. Yeah, I hate when bands tour the US and have a ton of opening acts, because they are normally shitty local openers, however everything would have been planned over when Symphony X was to go on in order to finish their set in time. I've seen SX 5 or 6 times now, and they've been great every time, but one thing they do not do is play a long show.
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They will.
Stopped reading here.
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Surely theyre going to record the 12 step suite in the next year, which would fit best if they play a nice 3 hour set.
All they need is to play 1 Evening With show in London and I'll be happy at least :p
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How do you get to hang out with all those bands, Nick? Are you just lucky or what?
Nicks been known to do se.ual favors in order to meet the bands
Sorry Nick couldn't pass up the opportunity
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3 opening acts are too much. I got to know that in the USA, it's quite normal to have so many opening acts - but why?
Having seen DT first in 1993 and then 12 times on all the tours (except on the Octavarium tour, because I did not like the ToT tour at all...), I have to say that 3 hours of DT is too much for me now. They always had great opening acts (though I don't remember the first ones very well or not at all - but that's because of my bad memory and the number of concerts I saw), so I'd prefer them with 1 opening act.
Three opening acts is total suckage. Symphony X only played for about an hour and ten minutes because of three absolutely horrendous opening bands. I paid for Symphony X, not Metallica/Pantera wannabes
Symphony X did not play that short because of opening acts. Yeah, I hate when bands tour the US and have a ton of opening acts, because they are normally shitty local openers, however everything would have been planned over when Symphony X was to go on in order to finish their set in time. I've seen SX 5 or 6 times now, and they've been great every time, but one thing they do not do is play a long show.
Fair enough. But I don't want three hours of shit bands. I had no idea that SX never played for that long... They should at least do an hour and a half, maybe an hour and forty-five minutes
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Courtesy of MP.com and a comment made on the Eddie Trunk Show today after a caller asked MP himself about the next tour format.
Thoughts?
I personally am excited
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Well that settles it.
I AM going to see DT when they next roll through Montreal/Toronto. :metal
Thanks for the tip! :tup
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FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK
Yes, I'm excited. This makes the chances of eventually seeing the 12 Step Suite a lot stronger.
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Sounds good
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Awesome-o.
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I think this had been hinted at when they said they wouldn't be doing a PN tour next time around.
Glad it's been confirmed though.
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best news I've heard in a long time....yippee!
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was it really confirmed? Do you have the exact quote maybe?
Well, I'm goddamn excited now :D
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Such good news.
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best news I've heard in a long time....yippee!
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HELL YEAH !!!! :metal
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YEAHHHH!!!!!
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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My first concert will be 3 hours of Dream Theater.
Maybe my second too, if I have the money.
:justjen
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May this mean that the next album will be a concept to play in it's entirity during the shows?.
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I hope not
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It'll likely be an opportunity to play the 12 steps live.
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Yeah, and film it for a DVD that puts Score and Budokan to shame.
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Great! Now the only thing left is that they drop by in Austria or Southern Germany. :)
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FUCK YEAHH !!!!
Can't wait for their next show in Quebec and Montreal !
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I was wondering if any of you guys had an idea about the price of a ticket, since I am now going to one in a couple years. :metal
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I paid about £30 for London in 2005. I imagine it'll be more like £35-40 now though.
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May this mean that the next album will be a concept to play in it's entirity during the shows?.
No.
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Does this necessarily mean they're done touring on Black Clouds? If so, it's a shame.
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This is the one that isn't coming to the US? If so it
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Does this necessarily mean they're done touring on Black Clouds? If so, it's a shame.
That's a good question, it will be interesting to see if they do a tour prior to recording the next album or not.
In any case this is amazing news. :D
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Well that settles it.
I AM going to see DT when they next roll through Montreal/Toronto. :metal
Thanks for the tip! :tup
Make it Montreal and I'm right there with ya!
:2metal:
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kewl. doubt they're gonna stop by here. Hope they release a dvd if they play the AA suite in it's entirety
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This is the one that isn't coming to the US? If so it
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No I think he'd have said "leg" rather than "tour" if that's what he meant. I'm sure he meant the next major tour, which will presumably be in support of their next album.
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Well that settles it.
I AM going to see DT when they next roll through Montreal/Toronto. :metal
Thanks for the tip! :tup
Depending on when the tour is...road trip?
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Well that settles it.
I AM going to see DT when they next roll through Montreal/Toronto. :metal
Thanks for the tip! :tup
Depending on when the tour is...road trip?
...Yep :tup
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*awaits Lat's over-enthusiastic, overly-offensive comment of excitement*
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best news I've heard in a long time....yippee!
DUDE! I smell another concert together, bro!
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This makes the chances of eventually seeing the 12 Step Suite a lot stronger.
LET'S HOPE NOT!
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Drat. I don't think they'll come back near south or even central Florida for another year.
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Drat. I don't think they'll come back near south or even central Florida for another year.
Where do you live in Florida? I'm directly above Fort Pierce and below Sebestian, if you know where those cities are (near Melbourne and Palm Bay also).
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This makes the chances of eventually seeing the 12 Step Suite a lot stronger.
LET'S HOPE NOT!
Let's hope so. If they're going to play it all, it better be a long show.
If 12SS takes 40 minutes of an 80 minute set, I'm not real happy.
If 12SS takes 40 minutes of a 100 minute set, that's a little better.
If 12SS takes 40 minutes of a 2 hr. 40 min set, that's great. Especially since TGP, TDS, TROAE, and Repentance are better songs than a lot of the other ones the band might use to represent those albums.
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Did Dream Theater do meet and greet during the An Evening With Tour in 2005-2006 for Octavarium?
I see that they had Premium Ticket Packages, and I don't know what those were. If anyone went to one of the concerts, I would really appreciate it if I can get some info because I am getting a couple people to go.
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40 minutes? Try 55 or 56 minutes, or maybe even slightly over an hour if they slow things down at all or add a few little things.
FYI, I'm VERY confident that the next tour will be when the 12 Step Suite will be played in it's entirety. If you don't like the whole suite, better get used to the idea OR don't plan on going to the shows. Yes, I am that certain of it (even tho MP hasn't said anything specifically to me about this yet).
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Yeah, you're right. I was going by what I remembered from a mix I did before TSF came out.
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That's also the reason I think they *may* tour prior to releasing another album. You play the AA saga and a bunch of stuff from a new album and the set time left for other material (even in evening with) is really limited. However if they do it before that they will have a lot more freedom.
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That's also the reason I think they *may* tour prior to releasing another album. You play the AA saga and a bunch of stuff from a new album and the set time left for other material (even in evening with) is really limited. However if they do it before that they will have a lot more freedom.
Yeah, I have that feeling too. Also, I know he plans ahead and stuff, but evidently he already has another album planned out already or they will indeed tour this summer or possibly Fall
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Mhmm, I just did a converter, so 60 bucks or so American. That ain't too bad
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everytime I see this thread title, I get excited! woot!
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After I learned this, the only thing I was saying was "I better not be doing anything when they come around."
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awesome i paid like $70 to see them this year so hopefully their prices dont go up
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everytime I see this thread title, I get excited! woot!
YEAHHHH!!!!!
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Do you guys think they will unleash Raw Dog on their future tour? You know, just to play it once or twice.
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This thread makes me happy in the pants.
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AWESOME news! The full AA saga! :metal
https://www.flickr.com/photos/glenda/165897920/
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Do you guys think they will unleash Raw Dog on their future tour? You know, just to play it once or twice.
I'd rather hear it first then decide if it'd be a good concert song
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Anything that means I have a chance of seeing Octavarium, however small, gets me excited. If they come anywhere near England, which I'm sure they will, I'm all over this.
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I will go to every UK date (bet there will only be 3). Already started saving up for it.
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Do you guys think they will unleash Raw Dog on their future tour? You know, just to play it once or twice.
I'd rather hear it first then decide if it'd be a good concert song
It's gonna be a ballsy metal song for a ballsy metal EP...of course it'll be a good concert song.
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So you weren't around here when everyone gave their reactions to Systematic Chaos then? :lol
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"An Evening With". This is how it should be! I will be at every UK date. Please do more than 3!
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I'm putting aside money for my ticket, like, right now.
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So you weren't around here when everyone gave their reactions to Systematic Chaos then? :lol
Actually that was right around the time I started hovering (but long before I started posting). Unfortunately, my memory of discussions doesn't extend back that far. What happened?
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So you weren't around here when everyone gave their reactions to Systematic Chaos then? :lol
Actually that was right around the time I started hovering (but long before I started posting). Unfortunately, my memory of discussions doesn't extend back that far. What happened?
I'd like to know as well. I was around before then, but after the official site went down I had no idea there was a new one until a little bit after... I think.
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Do you guys think they will unleash Raw Dog on their future tour? You know, just to play it once or twice.
I'd rather hear it first then decide if it'd be a good concert song
It's gonna be a ballsy metal song for a ballsy metal EP...of course it'll be a good concert song.
Yeah, it would be good. Plus, Jordan would whip out his new instrument thingy, which would be sick.
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Hmm, no I guess I only really started coming here in February of 2008. But I'm still curious.
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Do you guys think they will unleash Raw Dog on their future tour? You know, just to play it once or twice.
I'd rather hear it first then decide if it'd be a good concert song
It's gonna be a ballsy metal song for a ballsy metal EP...of course it'll be a good concert song.
Yeah, it would be good. Plus, Jordan would whip out his new instrument thingy, which would be sick.
The Eigenharp or the Harpejji?
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Do you guys think they will unleash Raw Dog on their future tour? You know, just to play it once or twice.
I'd rather hear it first then decide if it'd be a good concert song
It's gonna be a ballsy metal song for a ballsy metal EP...of course it'll be a good concert song.
Yeah, it would be good. Plus, Jordan would whip out his new instrument thingy, which would be sick.
The Eigenharp or the Harpejji?
The Harpejji. What's the Eigenharp?
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Do you guys think they will unleash Raw Dog on their future tour? You know, just to play it once or twice.
I'd rather hear it first then decide if it'd be a good concert song
It's gonna be a ballsy metal song for a ballsy metal EP...of course it'll be a good concert song.
Yeah, it would be good. Plus, Jordan would whip out his new instrument thingy, which would be sick.
The Eigenharp or the Harpejji?
The Harpejji. What's the Eigenharp?
https://www.youtube.com/jcrudess#p/u/3/3z-KXDHwCPY
It's pretty neat
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Do you guys think they will unleash Raw Dog on their future tour? You know, just to play it once or twice.
I'd rather hear it first then decide if it'd be a good concert song
It's gonna be a ballsy metal song for a ballsy metal EP...of course it'll be a good concert song.
Yeah, it would be good. Plus, Jordan would whip out his new instrument thingy, which would be sick.
The Eigenharp or the Harpejji?
The Harpejji. What's the Eigenharp?
https://www.youtube.com/jcrudess#p/u/3/3z-KXDHwCPY
It's pretty neat
That's pretty random...it's like Guitar Hero got more complicated. :lolpalm: If I'm not mistaken, we know he's playing the Harpejji on Raw Dog; do we know if he's using the Eigenharp as well?
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Do you guys think they will unleash Raw Dog on their future tour? You know, just to play it once or twice.
I'd rather hear it first then decide if it'd be a good concert song
It's gonna be a ballsy metal song for a ballsy metal EP...of course it'll be a good concert song.
Yeah, it would be good. Plus, Jordan would whip out his new instrument thingy, which would be sick.
The Eigenharp or the Harpejji?
The Harpejji. What's the Eigenharp?
https://www.youtube.com/jcrudess#p/u/3/3z-KXDHwCPY
It's pretty neat
That's pretty random...it's like Guitar Hero got more complicated. :lolpalm: If I'm not mistaken, we know he's playing the Harpejji on Raw Dog; do we know if he's using the Eigenharp as well?
Apparently he just got one, but I imagine he'll be playing it on a future album, and possibly a new solo album
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Do you guys think they will unleash Raw Dog on their future tour? You know, just to play it once or twice.
I'd rather hear it first then decide if it'd be a good concert song
It's gonna be a ballsy metal song for a ballsy metal EP...of course it'll be a good concert song.
Yeah, it would be good. Plus, Jordan would whip out his new instrument thingy, which would be sick.
The Eigenharp or the Harpejji?
The Harpejji. What's the Eigenharp?
https://www.youtube.com/jcrudess#p/u/3/3z-KXDHwCPY
It's pretty neat
That's pretty random...it's like Guitar Hero got more complicated. :lolpalm: If I'm not mistaken, we know he's playing the Harpejji on Raw Dog; do we know if he's using the Eigenharp as well?
Apparently he just got one, but I imagine he'll be playing it on a future album, and possibly a new solo album
That would make the most sense to me.
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Do you guys think they will unleash Raw Dog on their future tour? You know, just to play it once or twice.
I'd rather hear it first then decide if it'd be a good concert song
It's gonna be a ballsy metal song for a ballsy metal EP...of course it'll be a good concert song.
Yeah, it would be good. Plus, Jordan would whip out his new instrument thingy, which would be sick.
The Eigenharp or the Harpejji?
The Harpejji. What's the Eigenharp?
https://www.youtube.com/jcrudess#p/u/3/3z-KXDHwCPY
It's pretty neat
I made a thread about this about two weeks ago and it was basically desolate, and the few comments were "just a high-tech midi converter." :angry:
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Do you guys think they will unleash Raw Dog on their future tour? You know, just to play it once or twice.
I'd rather hear it first then decide if it'd be a good concert song
It's gonna be a ballsy metal song for a ballsy metal EP...of course it'll be a good concert song.
Yeah, it would be good. Plus, Jordan would whip out his new instrument thingy, which would be sick.
The Eigenharp or the Harpejji?
The Harpejji. What's the Eigenharp?
https://www.youtube.com/jcrudess#p/u/3/3z-KXDHwCPY
It's pretty neat
I made a thread about this about two weeks ago and it was basically desolate, and the few comments were "just a high-tech midi converter." :angry:
*shrugs* I never noticed.
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Because MP specifically mentioned Texas in his last statement about 2010 plans, I'm going to get excited about this news and hope that they come here. If that happens, there will be a meet-up, and a Bar-B-Q in order to fit our Southern stereotype.
If it happens then I will be :hefdaddy and need a change of pants.
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Do you guys think they will unleash Raw Dog on their future tour? You know, just to play it once or twice.
I'd rather hear it first then decide if it'd be a good concert song
It's gonna be a ballsy metal song for a ballsy metal EP...of course it'll be a good concert song.
Yeah, it would be good. Plus, Jordan would whip out his new instrument thingy, which would be sick.
The Eigenharp or the Harpejji?
The Harpejji. What's the Eigenharp?
https://www.youtube.com/jcrudess#p/u/3/3z-KXDHwCPY
It's pretty neat
That's pretty random...it's like Guitar Hero got more complicated. :lolpalm: If I'm not mistaken, we know he's playing the Harpejji on Raw Dog; do we know if he's using the Eigenharp as well?
Apparently he just got one, but I imagine he'll be playing it on a future album, and possibly a new solo album
That would make the most sense to me.
Who knows, it could be both on Raw Dog. Man, Jordan is loading up on the tech these days isn't he?
If it means creativity from Jordan, I'm all for it though.
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Do you guys think they will unleash Raw Dog on their future tour? You know, just to play it once or twice.
That'd certainly be cool
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Do you guys think they will unleash Raw Dog on their future tour? You know, just to play it once or twice.
That'd certainly be cool
Only if it's better than Eve, which Scotty seems to think might get some playing time...
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It'll be interesting to see what the newly acquired fanbase thinks of this. Since the 8V tour they have joined Roadrunner and attracted a younger, more metal set of fans, at least in the UK and western Europe. Will they be used to 3 hrs of prog rock and an interval? Considering most of the UK shows will, I think, be all-seated, it'll be interesting the reaction of a 16 year old metalhead! (Though to be fair, that was me - I was 15 when I saw DT for the first time in 2005.)
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It'll be interesting to see what the newly acquired fanbase thinks of this. Since the 8V tour they have joined Roadrunner and attracted a younger, more metal set of fans, at least in the UK and western Europe. Will they be used to 3 hrs of prog rock and an interval? Considering most of the UK shows will, I think, be all-seated, it'll be interesting the reaction of a 16 year old metalhead! (Though to be fair, that was me - I was 15 when I saw DT for the first time in 2005.)
hehe i could probaly be one of those 16 year old metalhead, i got into dream theater over a year ago and saw them at prog nation 09 and loved it. I own all the albums and a few of the DVD's and "An evening with Dream Theater" would fucking own! :metal Can't wait for when they pop over here again and hope that if they do do a "one off show" that it will be london :metal
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I reckon we'll probably get 4 or 5 UK shows on the next tour - London, Manchester, Glasgow and somewhere in the Midlands, perhaps Wolverhampton. Maybe the CIA as well.
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Considering most of the UK shows will, I think, be all-seated
Not necessarily. The ToT tour show was standing. I imagine it'll depend more on the venues really.
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Considering most of the UK shows will, I think, be all-seated
Not necessarily. The ToT tour show was standing. I imagine it'll depend more on the venues really.
Perhaps, but when it comes to Evening With shows, MP is well aware of the need for fans to be able to sit down at times during a long show. So when they've done the Evening With shows, there's a definite effort put forth for the venues to have seats. Doesn't mean they always will, but chances are much more likely that they will.
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Well, at Hammersmith, the balcony is always seated, so people who want that option always have it. Allowing the stalls to be GA standing at least gives people the choice.
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I am still so pumped about this...I am trying to figure out how many shows to see since it may be their last evening with's
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Considering most of the UK shows will, I think, be all-seated
Not necessarily. The ToT tour show was standing. I imagine it'll depend more on the venues really.
Perhaps, but when it comes to Evening With shows, MP is well aware of the need for fans to be able to sit down at times during a long show. So when they've done the Evening With shows, there's a definite effort put forth for the venues to have seats. Doesn't mean they always will, but chances are much more likely that they will.
Octavarium show here was "An Evening With". We were standing up the whole time (except the people in the grandstands). Although I did finish that concert absolutely knackered.
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I usually stand the whole concert, even if I'm not in GA, and so did everyone else at every concert I've ever been too (only four, but still). I've never sat down at a concert. But I do understand the need for seats for older people/people that want/need to sit.
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I am still so pumped about this...I am trying to figure out how many shows to see since it may be their last evening with's
Very good and sad point.
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I am still so pumped about this...I am trying to figure out how many shows to see since it may be their last evening with's
Very good and sad point.
I'm going to as many as I can afford
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I can't wait! Yes! I don't care where the shows are, I need to see an evening with show...
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Well, at Hammersmith, the balcony is always seated, so people who want that option always have it. Allowing the stalls to be GA standing at least gives people the choice.
They aren't playing Hammersmith anymore, aren't they? I think they will be playing Wembley Arena for a while considering their current popularity level in the UK.
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Well, at Hammersmith, the balcony is always seated, so people who want that option always have it. Allowing the stalls to be GA standing at least gives people the choice.
They aren't playing Hammersmith anymore, aren't they? I think they will be playing Wembley Arena for a while considering their current popularity level in the UK.
Well, hopefully, though depends if the promoters can get Wembley when it's DT only. Even then, I'd say it's even more likely to be standing in the stalls.
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YES
I thought I'd never be able to see one of these shows.
YESSSS
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Here's to hoping DT hit the Tower in Philadelphia for this. I don't think there'd be anywhere else better to see them at!
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Well, at Hammersmith, the balcony is always seated, so people who want that option always have it. Allowing the stalls to be GA standing at least gives people the choice.
They aren't playing Hammersmith anymore, aren't they? I think they will be playing Wembley Arena for a while considering their current popularity level in the UK.
Well, hopefully, though depends if the promoters can get Wembley when it's DT only. Even then, I'd say it's even more likely to be standing in the stalls.
I think they will. I mean, if they played with Symphony X in the Chaos tour (Being Symphony X a not-so-big prog metal band), they'll probably get the Arena for themselves. That also depends on the next album's popularity, which I guess will continue the trend that's been going with the recent DT albums in terms of sales, maybe a bit more than BC&SL, that said of course if they don't go all like DT meets Lady GaGa.
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Excellent
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Do you guys think they will unleash Raw Dog on their future tour? You know, just to play it once or twice.
If they can play it (i.e., it depends on what the contract says. Although I think it is unlikely, they could have, for example, given up all rights to the songs in exchange for royalties from the game, which would mean they can't ever play it), I would expect it to surface at some point in time, either in its entirety, or at least a portion of it showing up in a medley.
As far as the 12-Step Suite, I'm with Scotty. I expect they will almost certainly play it next tour. HOWEVER, that being said, I would not expect it to be played every show. I think the likely scenario is that most cities will get an abbreviated version that has sort of a medley of the first four songs and then TSF to end it, and then a few cities getting the entire thing. No, I don't have any inside information either. I am just basing this off of being a long-time fan and having a lot of bootlegs, and thus seeing what the band has done in the past. I could be wrong, but I will go on record as this being my official guess until we have more concrete information.
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If they can play it (i.e., it depends on what the contract says. Although I think it is unlikely, they could have, for example, given up all rights to the songs in exchange for royalties from the game, which would mean they can't ever play it),
Could this seriously happen? If I'm a video game company, the last thing I want is for the band that wrote the song I'm using to promote the game to be unable to play the song and indirectly promote the game.
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That was just an example. I honestly dno't kow what they negotiated or why. But anything under the sun is possible. They may be able to play it, release it on later albums/compilations, and do whatever else they want without restrictions. Or it may be completely restricted. Or just about anything in between. Just depends on what was agreed to, which I have no idea.
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I expect to see it played once, or perhaps twice, on the upcoming South American leg.
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(i.e., it depends on what the contract says. Although I think it is unlikely, they could have, for example, given up all rights to the songs in exchange for royalties from the game, which would mean they can't ever play it)
Hm. From what I understand, musicians are pretty much free to play whatever they want at live concerts, though I know some composers and bands have found a way to require people who'd like to play their songs to pay a free. I doubt that would be the case with Raw Dog. I could see how a contract like the one you've mentioned that might prevent DT from releasing it on a live album or DVD, but could it really stop the band from just playing it?
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I can't see DT signing on to write and record a song for a video game without guaranteeing that they will be able to play it live/release live versions of it themselves.
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I can't see DT signing on to write and record a song for a video game without guaranteeing that they will be able to play it live/release live versions of it themselves.
Nor can I. I mean, they recorded To Tame a Land for Kerrang's tribute to Iron Maiden, and yet they used the exact same recording as one of the cover tracks on the bonus CD for BCaSL. Now, I don't expect that Raw Dog will make it on to album #11, but I certainly expect it to get some live air-time and probably end up on a live release at some point.
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I am still so pumped about this...I am trying to figure out how many shows to see since it may be their last evening with's
What makes you say that?
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I am still so pumped about this...I am trying to figure out how many shows to see since it may be their last evening with's
What makes you say that?
It's true. During this tour, James falls into one of his holes and John fills in on vocal duties. Until he transforms into a bear one night-- only this time he can't change back.
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If they can play it (i.e., it depends on what the contract says. Although I think it is unlikely, they could have, for example, given up all rights to the songs in exchange for royalties from the game, which would mean they can't ever play it),
Could this seriously happen? If I'm a video game company, the last thing I want is for the band that wrote the song I'm using to promote the game to be unable to play the song and indirectly promote the game.
Since it's done through RR, I'd expect the publishing rights would be no different to their previous two albums, and I don't know of these types of things generally being able to limit performance rights.
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You guys are missing the point of my post. I'm just saying that we don't know what the contract says, that's all. And I presented as a possibility that they might not be able to play it. But this again misses the point of my post. The point is, if they CAN play it, they likely will at some point. HOWEVER, again, as I said above, it might be more realistic to expect it in some sort of medley instead of the whole thing.
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yeah, i got the news... finally, we get the an evening with formula back. personally, i would also like to join shows in countries outside italy... let's wait, let's wait. i may follow them for a bunch of shows. but i preferer the next tour does not support any new album. this would be a really great setlist, in my opinion:
1. Intro
2. The Ytse Jam
3. Surrounded (or Another Day)
4. The Mirror-Lie (or Lifting Shadows Off a Dream)
5. Hollow Years (demo version with Petrucci's solo) - (or Trial of Tears)
6. Finally Free
Intermission
7. The Glass Prison (or As I Am)
8. This Dying Soul (or Blind Faith)
9. The Answer Lies Within (or I Walk Beside You)
10. Forsaken (or The Ministry of Lost Souls)
11. The Best of Times (or Wither)
End of Dream Theater History
11. Beyond This Life
12. Through Her Eyes
13. Endless Sacrifice (or Vacant-Stream of Consciousness)
14. Innocence Faded
15. Scarred (or Take the Time)
Encore:
16. Learning to Live (or A Change of Seasons)
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I think it would be great if they would go on tour again before recording another album, but I doubt they will.
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it is a win-win for me. I would love to have a BCSL tour, but I would also love to have another album
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yeah, i got the news... finally, we get the an evening with formula back. personally, i would also like to join shows in countries outside italy... let's wait, let's wait. i may follow them for a bunch of shows. but i preferer the next tour does not support any new album. this would be a really great setlist, in my opinion:
1. Intro
2. The Ytse Jam
3. Surrounded (or Another Day)
4. The Mirror-Lie (or Lifting Shadows Off a Dream)
5. Hollow Years (demo version with Petrucci's solo) - (or Trial of Tears)
6. Finally Free
Intermission
7. The Glass Prison (or As I Am)
8. This Dying Soul (or Blind Faith)
9. The Answer Lies Within (or I Walk Beside You)
10. Forsaken (or The Ministry of Lost Souls)
11. The Best of Times (or Wither)
End of Dream Theater History
11. Beyond This Life
12. Through Her Eyes
13. Endless Sacrifice (or Vacant-Stream of Consciousness)
14. Innocence Faded
15. Scarred (or Take the Time)
Encore:
16. Learning to Live (or A Change of Seasons)
It sounds like a good list (except for BTL. Ewwwww), but I crossed off the ones that aren't really plausible based on what they played on the past two tours. Good otherwise though. I'd love to hear all of Trial of Tears
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yeah, i got the news... finally, we get the an evening with formula back. personally, i would also like to join shows in countries outside italy... let's wait, let's wait. i may follow them for a bunch of shows. but i preferer the next tour does not support any new album. this would be a really great setlist, in my opinion:
1. Intro
2. The Ytse Jam
3. Surrounded (or Another Day)
4. The Mirror-Lie (or Lifting Shadows Off a Dream)
5. Hollow Years (demo version with Petrucci's solo) - (or Trial of Tears)
6. Finally Free
Intermission
7. The Glass Prison (or As I Am)
8. This Dying Soul (or Blind Faith)
9. The Answer Lies Within (or I Walk Beside You)
10. Forsaken (or The Ministry of Lost Souls)
11. The Best of Times (or Wither)
End of Dream Theater History
11. Beyond This Life
12. Through Her Eyes
13. Endless Sacrifice (or Vacant-Stream of Consciousness)
14. Innocence Faded
15. Scarred (or Take the Time)
Encore:
16. Learning to Live (or A Change of Seasons)
It sounds like a good list (except for BTL. Ewwwww), but I crossed off the ones that aren't really plausible based on what they played on the past two tours. Good otherwise though. I'd love to hear all of Trial of Tears
You should probably cross out The Mirror/Lie as well.
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I left it on there because they didn't play it in North America. I'll bet they'll do it here next time around
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I left it on there because they didn't play it in North America. I'll bet they'll do it here next time around
Ah okay, fair enough.
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I expect Wither will definitely be a staple of the next N. American tour.
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I hope not. The song's astoundingly boring, and I have no desire to see it performed live (same with Hollow Years, though I like that one better)
I'd rather see The Shattered Fortress, which seems likely given the Evening With format. Other songs I'd like to see include:
Ytse Jam
6:00
Lifting Shadows
New Millennium
Just Let Me Breathe
Trial of Tears
The Great Debate
These Walls
Never Enough
The Ministry of Lost Souls (I know they played it on Chaos in Motion, but not in Philly :()
In a perfect world I'd like TBOT to be played, but that'll most likely be a one time thing, for DVD
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Texas is waiting for the pay back DT!
Austin, Houston and maybe even Dallas, I'm there!
When do you guys think it's gonn happen? like early 2011?
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Don't forget Arizona this time either, it's been 3 years since DT was here! Phoenix is the 5th largest metro area in the country and a huge rock/metal town. Pretty unbelievable we've been skipped on both the 2008 and 2009 tours!
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Texas is waiting for the pay back DT!
Austin, Houston and maybe even Dallas, I'm there!
When do you guys think it's gonn happen? like early 2011?
2011 sounds like a pretty good time. Hopefully I can make it, I've been dying to see them ever since I started liking them. I don't care if it's in Houston, I will drive the whole distance to see that show.
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Every time I see this thread it brightens up my day.
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Every time I see this thread it brightens up my day.
I feel the same way.
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Every time I see this thread it brightens up my day.
I feel the same way.
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Every time I see this thread it brightens up my day.
I feel the same way.
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It sounds like a good list (except for BTL. Ewwwww), but I crossed off the ones that aren't really plausible based on what they played on the past two tours. Good otherwise though. I'd love to hear all of Trial of Tears
perhaps, they will not play hollow years, but i do not know about the other songs... they can play them but they also can't. anyway, i would really like if they do not work on a new studio album before the next tour, so they can celebrate their 25th anniversary, just as it was for octavarium world tour, when they celebrated their 20th anniversary... but have the feeling they will be in studio just after this tour in support of black clouds & silver linings. i mean... 25 years are 5 half-decades and the event must be celebrated =D.
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a radio city equivalent would be good again
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I don't think they're going to do a 25th anniversary thing. Maybe when they get to 30
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I don't think they're going to do a 25th anniversary thing. Maybe when they get to 30
no offense, but I hope you are delusionally wrong
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I think I recall Mike saying that nothing special would be done for the 25th. I could be wrong though
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I think I recall Mike saying that nothing special would be done for the 25th. I could be wrong though
You're not wrong.
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:sad:
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Don't worry, Yesh. Mike said he's still open to doing a special one-off 25th anniversary show at your house. We're just working out the details.
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Sorry Yesh, but doing some sort of special anniversary show every 5 years is just a bit too much. That pretty much means every 2.5 albums/tours, there's gonna be an anniversary show. 10 or 15 years in between anniversaries makes more sense.
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Just be happy Score turned out so great. Most of the time, when bands start doing "anniversary tours" they're washed up beyond being enjoyable.
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Sorry Yesh, but doing some sort of special anniversary show every 5 years is just a bit too much. That pretty much means every 2.5 albums/tours, there's gonna be an anniversary show. 10 or 15 years in between anniversaries makes more sense.
yeah, I realize that. I can still be sad, though, right
PS. I am thankful that they are at least meeting for the one-off show at my house.
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What about MY house?
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They are afraid. :PLM:
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Great. Maybe if I show up to JP's house and sacrifice a salmon...
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As much as this thread makes me happy it also makes me sad reading the next DT show i go to will bein 2011 :(
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As much as this thread makes me happy it also makes me sad reading the next DT show i go to will bein 2011 :(
agreed
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i know that there are worse probability to get a 25th anniversary tour, but they're going to resume the "an evening with" formula, so i can say that i'm pleased anyway ^^.
perhaps, the next tour will begin in 2011, but i also think that there will be a new studio album, so we have a lot of stuff to enjoy! =D of course, i would preferer a 25th anniversary tour instead of a new album much better, but the resuming of the "an evening with" forumula is a great news and i can hardly wait!
p.s. sorry for my bad english, but i'm from italy ^^.
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I was thinking about something earlier; if DT is going to play the 12-step Suite, should they do it in the first or second set?
I say second. The first set could be a bunch of songs they haven't played in a while (opening up with 6:00 of course :metal)
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I think it will BE the second set, similar to 6 D's on the 6D's tour.
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I think it'd be cool as a one-off thing (the 12-step) but honestly, I wouldn't want it in regular rotation. The ending sucks (sorry, MP), and while the concept was very cool when talked about in the beginning, it was a struggle (to my ears) to the finish line. I'd love to have it done once, put on an official DVD and CD bootleg and then be done with it.
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I like the idea that someone posted earlier, having a medley of the first 4 parts followed by TSF. Playing the entire thing live would take up too much time and I'd rather see them play other songs.
That being said, I'd have no problem with the next DVD having the entire thing in full.
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Tbh, I have my phone alarm in the morning set to go off, and when it does I am awoken by the chorus to Caught in a Web, with the reminder saying "Remember, the next DT tour is all 'An Evening With'" :D
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, having a medley of the first 4 parts followed by TSF.
TSF IS a medley of the first 4 parts.. :lol
It's fine played as the second set each night. Just makes collecting boots a little boring, but honestly, that's a hell of a second set, no?
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This is great news, but only if the band doesn't burn out. I think MP needs to be smart and play only 3-4 shows a week instead of 5. Honestly, James can't scream for 3 hours 5 nights a week anymore, it just wouldn't work. They need to pace themselves a little more to make the Evening With format successful.
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This is great news, but only if the band doesn't burn out. I think MP needs to be smart and play only 3-4 shows a week instead of 5. Honestly, James can't scream for 3 hours 5 nights a week anymore, it just wouldn't work. They need to pace themselves a little more to make the Evening With format successful.
Quite.
I want DT to be in top shape every night so everyone can enjoy, not rushing to get to every city.
Patience will pay off.
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This is great news, but only if the band doesn't burn out. I think MP needs to be smart and play only 3-4 shows a week instead of 5. Honestly, James can't scream for 3 hours 5 nights a week anymore, it just wouldn't work. They need to pace themselves a little more to make the Evening With format successful.
Quite.
I want DT to be in top shape every night so everyone can enjoy, not rushing to get to every city.
Patience will pay off.
And of course the fringe benefit of time between shows is more JR video updates!
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I love JR's video updates. They made the last tour fun for the entire duration of the tour and not just the show I went to.
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Will the US be seeing another Evening With Tour?
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Will the US be seeing another Evening With Tour?
WE BETTER BE
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So how likely is this to happen now?
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So how likely is this to happen now?
To be honest, it's really impossible to tell. Obviously most people here would like for it to happen, but we haven't had any indication one way or the other since Portnoy left.
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I think it'll still happen
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I honestly have no idea. We'll just have to wait and see, I guess.
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Crap, the thread title got me good.
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I still think it'll happen.
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I still think it'll happen.
Really?
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I still think it'll happen.
Really?
Yeah, I mean all along the statement was that they were taking a break from the format, and since they announced they would be doing it again I tend to remember at least JP stating they would be going back to it. Of course this was before MP left, but I feel the band at this point would have been committed to it.
The main holdback is probably that the Evening With would have supported the idea of doing the 12 step saga, and now that probably won't need to happen.
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Possible, but not likely.
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I think its pretty likely. I feel like the only thing that would have stopped an"evening with" tour would have been another Prog Nation, and I don't think we'll be getting any more of those now.
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I hope they do. I love when a band with a good amount of cd's under their belt, with the amount of songs they have and the length of songs play at least 2 1/2 to 3 hours.
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I would bet that DT is done with ProgNation, but I can see MP keeping the franchise alive. I mean, it IS a cool concept.
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I would bet that DT is done with ProgNation, but I can see MP keeping the franchise alive. I mean, it IS a cool concept.
You mean like maybe starting one with Transatlantic headlining or something (or whatever prog band he's drumming for).
Progressive Nation 2011 headlined by Transatlantic with very special guests Dream Theater.
:neverusethis:
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I would bet that DT is done with ProgNation, but I can see MP keeping the franchise alive. I mean, it IS a cool concept.
I'm actually a much bigger fan of the concept now that it isn't in place of a Dream Theater tour.
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It won't happen, ProgNation needs a band with the pull of Dream Theater in order to survive.
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It won't happen, ProgNation needs a band with the pull of Dream Theater in order to survive.
You don't think a band like Porcupine Tree or Queensryche could headline this? Personally I'm not sure they could, but there must be a place for a concept like this.
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I think they'll still do An Evening With, because wasn't it MP who picked the opening bands anyway? Not that the other members couldn't pick opening bands, but it doesn't seem likely to me.
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It won't happen, ProgNation needs a band with the pull of Dream Theater in order to survive.
You don't think a band like Porcupine Tree or Queensryche could headline this? Personally I'm not sure they could, but there must be a place for a concept like this.
If the current Queensryche headlined it, I wouldn't go.
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It won't happen, ProgNation needs a band with the pull of Dream Theater in order to survive.
There are plenty of bands that could take their place. I just don't know how many of those bands would actually be interested in the idea.
They might also have to play venues that are a little bit smaller, but they could definitely pull it off if they really wanted to.
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It won't happen, ProgNation needs a band with the pull of Dream Theater in order to survive.
There are plenty of bands that could take their place. I just don't know how many of those bands would actually be interested in the idea.
They might also have to play venues that are a little bit smaller, but they could definitely pull it off if they really wanted to.
If Mike's playing in a prog band wouldn't he probably headline Progressive Nation, assuming he's still heading it?
And what do you mean the bands'd have to play smaller venues? Wouldn't the opening bands draw even more fans?
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If somebody like Porcupine Tree headlined, it could happen, but that's doubtful because I don't think PT would do it, and I thought we were working on the premise that MP would be playing in whatever band led the festival. If he's just organizing it he would only be a promoter, and I doubt he'd be down for sitting on the sidelines like that.
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Also, :lol at the idea of Queensryche headlining it. They can barely get people to their own shows nowadays.
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Also, :lol at the idea of Queensryche headlining it. They can barely get people to their own shows nowadays.
That cabaret was a cool idea.
I didn't go.
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Yeah, I couldn't see Prog Nation happening if MP wasn't in the headliner.
And what do you mean the bands'd have to play smaller venues? Wouldn't the opening bands draw even more fans?
Well, it depends who the bands are. Lesser known bands wouldn't draw as many people, so they might stick to smaller venues... hypothetically of course. :D
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Yeah, I couldn't see Prog Nation happening if MP wasn't in the headliner.
And what do you mean the bands'd have to play smaller venues? Wouldn't the opening bands draw even more fans?
Well, it depends who the bands are. Lesser known bands wouldn't draw as many people, so they might stick to smaller venues... hypothetically of course. :D
Oh, I misunderstood your post, I thought you meant that the bands would play smaller venues while headlining PN than than when they play a standard gig.
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So how likely is this to happen now?
To be honest, it's really impossible to tell. Obviously most people here would like for it to happen, but we haven't had any indication one way or the other since Portnoy left.
Pretty much this. I don't recall specifics as to who said what or specifically what was said, but my vague recollection is that JP seemed pretty much in favor of it. And James seemed both to like the idea for both the fans' sake and for the sake of being able to play more songs, but also hesitant because the longer shows impact him as a vocalist more than any other member. Not sure how Jordan and JM feel about it, so it's hard to say now that MP, who was an advocate of eventually going back to that format, is no longer in the voting equation. My guess is that the band is probably generally in favor of it eventually happening, but will not push nearly as hard as Mike would have if there is any kind of pushback from the label. So if the label isn't onboard with an "evening with" format, it very well might not happen. Still, my gut tells me that while it may not happen this next tour, it'll happen at some point in time, even if it ends up being only select dates on future tours rather than an official "evening with" tour.
Another layer and some more opinion: Subjectively, I think the best and most likely way for it to happen on the next tour cycle is something like this: I think, #1, DT has to put out an album that has at least a couple of songs that will have a fair amount of mass appeal. Given the recent controversy involving MP leaving, the spotlight is back on DT. And this is a good thing. The Iron Maiden tour was great exposure, and was much needed given that they didn't tour extensively in support of BCSL (and, no, I'm still not counting a "PN" tour as an album-support tour; those are two very different things in the marketing world). In terms of exposure and momentum, I still think they took a "net loss" for not doing a U.S. BCSL tour. However, I think it is a small loss given the exposure from the IM tour and the spotlight being shone on them for MP leaving. Whether the latter is a good thing or a bad thing in terms of albums and concert tickets sold is still up for debate, IMO. But I think that while they will definitely lose some people who write the band off simply because MP isn't in it, the exposure is still probably good, and just having the DT name in front of people is an overall positive. So as step #1, I think they will probably have to put out an album that the label likes and that generates some commercial interest. I'm not saying they need to have it go gold, because that probably will not happen and isn't a realistic expectation. But I think given DT's musical niche, BCSL's sales and exposure are generally considered to be a success, and that is the level of success I am talking about.
Second, I think they will have to demonstrate some success in selling seats in early legs of the tour. They don't want to over-tour, but I think they should do some scaled-back shorter tour legs, whether it be hitting the festivals, doing some other shorter legs with other bands, or whatever. And if the fan support is at an acceptable level (whatever that is), I think the label and the band could then greenlight a full-on evening with tour. But make no mistake, whether or not the reality is that the band will be just fine without Mike, losing a key, high-profile member creates uncertainty in the public eye and in the industry, so I think they have to go through both of the above steps to settle a lot of that uncertainty in the minds of those who are in a position to make decisions about the tour. That's my $.02 anyway.
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Great post. And to your point on the early legs, because there wasn't as much touring or non-PN touring for BCSL, I'm sure there are quite a few fans who are waiting to see DT come the new album. Which may result in bigger sales overall.
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How big were the venues that Dream Theater played on their most recent evening with tour? I know MikePortnoy.com has DT's whole tourography but if someone knows off the top of their head I'd rather not look.
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In Europe, they played large theatres, for example the Hammersmith Apollo in London took about 5,000 I think. But their profile has been much enlarged since 2005.
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Opeth could easily headline ProgNation. That would be Mike's best option for keeping it alive.
On the subject of Evening With's: I'd assume that they're picking a drummer with enough stamina to handle a 3 hour show. It would be silly of them not to, given their tradition of playing shows like that.
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Opeth could easily headline ProgNation. That would be Mike's best option for keeping it alive.
You just reminded me to watch In Live Concert At The Royal Albert Hall tonight.
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It'll likely be an opportunity to play the 12 steps live.
IDK, wouldn't that be a real slap in MP's face, to play the whole thing RIGHT AFTER he leaves?
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It'll likely be an opportunity to play the 12 steps live.
IDK, wouldn't that be a real slap in MP's face, to play the whole thing RIGHT AFTER he leaves?
That post was from almost a year ago when Mike Portnoy was still in the band. ;)
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Scratch my last, didn't know this was an old thread :loser:
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No worries. :laugh:
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It's going to be interesting to see what the setlists look like from now on since MP was in charge of them.
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Hopefully they don't give up that responsibility and play the same set every night on the tour
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I highly doubt they'll do that. They'll have maybe 4 rotating setlists.
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How big were the venues that Dream Theater played on their most recent evening with tour? I know MikePortnoy.com has DT's whole tourography but if someone knows off the top of their head I'd rather not look.
Last Evening with tour in NJ was the paramount theater in Asbury Park seating 1600
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How big were the venues that Dream Theater played on their most recent evening with tour? I know MikePortnoy.com has DT's whole tourography but if someone knows off the top of their head I'd rather not look.
Last Evening with tour in NJ was the paramount theater in Asbury Park seating 1600
Wow... I'm a bit surprised, I thought they'd play slightly bigger venues. Maybe that's the only venue they could get in that area, I dunno, but if they came to New York I hope they play the Beacon Theatre... possibly my favorite venue, seating only three-thousand (as opposed to the Chevrolet Theatre seating five-thousand during Progressive Nation 2009.
ALSO... don't quote me on this (inb4 inevitable quote), but I'm hearing from a friend that has connections that Anthrax and Dream Theater may be trying to work some things out for a tour. AGAIN, don't give any credit to this, because it may have just been an idea between the bands, or may have tried to come into existence, but since has been cancelled, or is maybe still in their minds for the future.
Just thought I'd throw that out there.
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Interesting touring partners if that were true. Seems unlikely to me though, the two bands are surely just a bit too different.
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That's what I thought too. Then again, the idea may be long gone and will never happen.
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Interesting touring partners if that were true. Seems unlikely to me though, the two bands are surely just a bit too different.
Not really. They did actually tour together on Gigantour. And DT has toured with a pretty wide variety of metal bands, from thrash bands like Anthrax and Megadeth, to NWOBHM bands like Maiden, to Death Metal bands (albeit, by their own definition, "melodic progressive death metal") like Into Eternity. Doesn't seem like TOO big a stretch.
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Yeah, but they haven't had a purely thrash band as their only support act. Into Eternity at least had some progressive elements to them, and Gigantour was made up of several bands, so it was hardly the same situation.
Anyway, I'd be surprised if such a tour took place.
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I'm not sure I'd refer to Anthrax as a thrash band..then or now.
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Anthrax was certainly a thrash band. They moved toward straight metal with John Bush, but at the core, they were a thrash band.
re: Queensryche and ProgNation - NO WAY they could headline with the current lineup. In some areas on the last tour, promoters had to give away hundreds of tickets just to put bodies in there.
re: ProgNation as a whole -- would love for it to continue, but not include DT for awhile.
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Not really. They did actually tour together on Gigantour.
Not quite. Anthrax replaced Dream Theater for the last few shows on that tour.
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Not really. They did actually tour together on Gigantour.
Not quite. Anthrax replaced Dream Theater for the last few shows on that tour.
As far as I know, both of them played at at least one show.
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https://www.bigmusicgeek.com/JamesLaBrie1.html
Todd: When the group once again begins touring, are there plans to continue with the An Evening With format?
James: “It’s definitely something we’re going to talk about, but I think it’s a bit premature to answer something like that. It’s something we’re going to entertain or at least discuss. It’s definitely a conversation that needs to be had. And if we don’t go ahead and do An Evening With, I think we would have only one opening act and then do a two hour or two hour plus set. …That’s what our fans want and we know that. Our fans are coming to our shows to see Dream Theater and they want to see a lot, so we’re going to do as much as we’re comfortable doing. I know that eventually and inevitably the idea for An Evening With will come up again. Is it something that’s going to happen on the next tour? I don’t honestly know. Rest assured, it’s a conversation we will have. We’ll be talking about it again once we begin recording. Those types of topics always come up.”
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It's funny how a 90-100 minute sets feels so incomplete!
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Hey, I'll be happy with a 2+ hour set.
That's good news
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Hey, I'll be happy with a 2+ hour set.
That's good news
+1
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Hey, I'll be happy with a 2+ hour set.
That's good news
This. In fact, if they put on a kickass opening act (it'd probably have to be a band that would be capable of co-headlining though), it may attract me more than an evening with Dream Theater (which is a tremendous attraction). Also, if they do an evening with tour, and they play the Beacon Theatre, I will be ecstatic.
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God I hope so, I think Mike lost his way a little focusing so much on introducing us to these other bands that he lost sight of why most of us are there. To see DT of course. They need to get back on the Evening with horse so they can start playing more of the songs we all want to hear. Home, Glass Prison, Learning to live, Scarred, A change of Seasons. Lets get back to at least 2 3/4 hours. That is like the miniumum they used to play and why they were so amazing live. I know they are getting older now but Rush still play at least 2 1/2 hours and they have the guys by 10 years
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For the last few years is has seemed like Mike Portnoy the concert promoter, and oh by the way DT will also play a few tunes.
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So the Evening With didn't materialise for this tour. I wonder if we might see a one-off, though, if they do shoot a dvd this year.
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Bumping this thread was a mean, mean thing to do.
..... I say as I bump the thread again....
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What is the likely format of the upcoming North American concert tour going to be? A mostly DT show, with a few songs by the opening act? Or something more like the Progressive Nation tour from a few years ago? A fiend and I went to that show where Opeth, Between The Buried And Me, and one other band (Three, I think?) played, and we left feeling like we really hadn't seen much of DT. Which was the only reason we went. Will this show be more of them this time around??
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The opening act will play somewhere in the ballpark of 30-45 minutes and then Dream Theater will play between 2-2.5 hours.
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^ Was just about to hit reply with nearly the same messge :lol
ResultsMayVary is absolutely correct, so don't worry about not seeing DT, as you will see plenty.
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The Evening With format will magically return for the show at the Warfield in San Fran on 07.01.12 wheb they tape the show for a dvd...
...hey, a girl can dream right? :lol In all seriousness, I would really like to see this happen again! I would pay a lot of money and do unspeakable things to see and Evening With show
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Wow, what a great show. M&G was awesome. I asked JP about an "Evening With" tour and he said they get a lot of requests for that and will do that next year. My son and I had front row center seats. It was just awesome. Highlights for me were TDEN, JR and JP intro to TSCO, but especially just watching MM on drums. His expressions and sheer joy in playing are something to see!!
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:2metal:
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That's great to see. I'm excited! :metal
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next year? or next album cycle? maybe a few one-off evening with shows between albums? \m/
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The Evening With format will magically return for the show at the Warfield in San Fran on 07.01.12 wheb they tape the show for a dvd...
...hey, a girl can dream right? :lol In all seriousness, I would really like to see this happen again! I would pay a lot of money and do unspeakable things to see and Evening With show
When I see the energy expended by the band in the current format, I consider myself lucky to get an honest 2 hour show. The level that they play at is probably in the 5% percentile of all bands. How is it that James has any voice at all after doing 20 of these shows in a month? It's sick! Same with the others. Also, they are not 20 anymore and neither are most of us. A 3 hour show would be superfluous. How many notes can I ingest in one night? A 2 hour DT show is evening enough for me. Especially since I usually attend 3 or 4 shows on each tour.
Besides, proper concert protocol is to tailgate in the parking lot or stop at a restaurant, hang out, enjoy the show, get breakfast after the show. You can easily spend 8 or 9 hours doing the whole thing. That's enough entertainment for me. A 3.5 hour show is too damned long.
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The Evening With format will magically return for the show at the Warfield in San Fran on 07.01.12 wheb they tape the show for a dvd...
...hey, a girl can dream right? :lol In all seriousness, I would really like to see this happen again! I would pay a lot of money and do unspeakable things to see and Evening With show
When I see the energy expended by the band in the current format, I consider myself lucky to get an honest 2 hour show. The level that they play at is probably in the 5% percentile of all bands. How is it that James has any voice at all after doing 20 of these shows in a month? It's sick! Same with the others. Also, they are not 20 anymore and neither are most of us. A 3 hour show would be superfluous. How many notes can I ingest in one night? A 2 hour DT show is evening enough for me. Especially since I usually attend 3 or 4 shows on each tour.
Besides, proper concert protocol is to tailgate in the parking lot or stop at a restaurant, hang out, enjoy the show, get breakfast after the show. You can easily spend 8 or 9 hours doing the whole thing. That's enough entertainment for me. A 3.5 hour show is too damned long.
M13, good to see you posting again.
I'd happily trade the tailgaiting and breakfast for an extra hour of DT!
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next year? or next album cycle? maybe a few one-off evening with shows between albums? \m/
Since they will have a new album being released next year, that definitely means the next album cycle.
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Wow, what a great show. M&G was awesome. I asked JP about an "Evening With" tour and he said they get a lot of requests for that and will do that next year. My son and I had front row center seats. It was just awesome. Highlights for me were TDEN, JR and JP intro to TSCO, but especially just watching MM on drums. His expressions and sheer joy in playing are something to see!!
That would be sweet :tup
I had m&g ticket in london earlier this year and I asked JP if the they where considering some sort of SFAM anniversary tour and I he said that they were indeed considering this and that it might come sooner then expected. Imagine an Evening With that would include the whole SFAM. That would be so fucking epic.
Think I have to start saving for an upcoming tour :metal
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Wow, what a great show. M&G was awesome. I asked JP about an "Evening With" tour and he said they get a lot of requests for that and will do that next year. My son and I had front row center seats. It was just awesome. Highlights for me were TDEN, JR and JP intro to TSCO, but especially just watching MM on drums. His expressions and sheer joy in playing are something to see!!
That would be sweet :tup
I had m&g ticket in london earlier this year and I asked JP if the they where considering some sort of SFAM anniversary tour and I he said that they were indeed considering this and that it might come sooner then expected. Imagine an Evening With that would include the whole SFAM. That would be so fucking epic.
Think I have to start saving for an upcoming tour :metal
Dear God, that would be beautiful. Especially for all the new fans post-1999 who haven't gotten a chance to witness that entire masterpiece being played live.
EDIT: I'd also would expect this to happen until at least 2014 for the 15th year anniversary, but I think it would be more appropriate towards the end of the decade for the 20th anniversary.
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True, but they should carpe diem. James's voice won't last forever.
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next year? or next album cycle? maybe a few one-off evening with shows between albums? \m/
I didn't ask him this specifically but I assume both...since they are writing now for their next album, I hope it would be as they tour next year for the new album. And a full SFAM set would be awesome!!
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next year? or next album cycle? maybe a few one-off evening with shows between albums? \m/
I didn't ask him this specifically but I assume both...since they are writing now for their next album, I hope it would be as they tour next year for the new album. And a full SFAM set would be awesome!!
They said they plan on hitting the studio in at least January. If they hold to that pattern, they should spend less time overall in the studio since they have begun writing before entering the studio. So we can probably expect the new album out before September of 2013.
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Wow, what a great show. M&G was awesome. I asked JP about an "Evening With" tour and he said they get a lot of requests for that and will do that next year. My son and I had front row center seats. It was just awesome. Highlights for me were TDEN, JR and JP intro to TSCO, but especially just watching MM on drums. His expressions and sheer joy in playing are something to see!!
:hefdaddy
Edit: If they ever do a tour where they play SFAM in its entirety, do you know how many shows I would go to? I can just imagine how many hundreds of dollars spent on gas, tickets, and food but it would be SOOOOOOOOOOO worth it!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal
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I don't care what they play, if I get to attend an "Evening With" it will be the best!
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For as odd as it may sound, I think I'd rather see them use the extra time an "evening with" show provides to pull out more songs they don't often play rather than an album straight through.
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For as odd as it may sound, I think I'd rather see them use the extra time an "evening with" show provides to pull out more songs they don't often play rather than an album straight through.
I'd agree for every other album except SFAM. That's one that I'd love to see all the way through.
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I asked JP if the they where considering some sort of SFAM anniversary tour and I he said that they were indeed considering this and that it might come sooner then expected. Imagine an Evening With that would include the whole SFAM. That would be so fucking epic.
Wow. I never got the chance to see this album being played live. One can dream - this would just be absolutely insane - a full evening of SFAM is a perfect evening for me. ;D
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From Symphonic Theater Of Dreams fb:
"An Evening With" is back! It will be amazing tour. Long concerts with new CD!
We are waiting for Dream Theater in Poland. Thanks for our label Rock Serwis for inviting the band to our country.
Ed Hughes I thought they scrapped the "Evening With..." concerts a while ago. Don't think they'll go back to it either, though I would love it if they did. Proof?
Symphonic Theater of Dreams Hello Ed Hughes
It is information from our label. They`ve invited Dream Theater band so they know details of event
Not an official information but very likely! :CJS:
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Found this quote on www.rockserwis.pl
Of course, as always, in the wake of the album release will move a giant world tour. Poland has once again successfully find the route of its course. February 5, 2014 The team will visit Katowice "Spodek". Will visit again in the formula "An Evening with" which means that we can expect a nearly three-hour concert without any support frame. Let the magic back!
https://translate.google.dk/translate?hl=da&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rockserwis.pl%2Fserwis.do%3Fmenu%3Dmain%26pid%3D151080%26cat%3D16%26mcat%3D16%26l%3D1
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Well, evidence from many seemingly indipendent sources. This is shaping up to become proof ::)
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God I hope so. A Change of Seasons please.
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I would love to not have any opening acts at all. From what it sounds like, that might just happen.
If I pay a ticket for Dream Theater, I probably only want to listen to Dream Theater.
Also I want my first DT concert to only be DT, and lots of it :2metal:
Octavarium, Trial of Tears, Stream of Consciousness, Breaking All Illusions, etc etc.
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It would certainly make the high ticket prices easier to swallow if it is Evening With.
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I'd be gutted personally if they returned to that format for this tour - given that they're skipping Glasgow this time around. Of course, it would be great for everyone else who is able to see them, but I've only seen them twice and neither were 'Evening With' shows, just 90 minutes at Prog Nation 09 and 2hours on the ADTOE tour.
If it does happen though, it might be the thing that tempts me to travel down to England on my own and see them in Wolverhampton or Manchester! :p
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Got this email today:
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/cyberdrummer/Screenshot2013-06-25at092725.png)
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:jawdrop:
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Oh man oh man oh man oh man. Please keep the "Evening With..." format for the US leg. I thought I would never ever get to see a DT Evening With tour!
The possibilities are endless. Maybe this album is a concept album (I doubt it), or maybe they will play SFAM all the way through, or they might even throw A Change of Seasons or Octavarium back in!
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My guess:
I was thinking... The new album is self-titled, so I'm pretty sure it won't have a storyline (luckily!), but maybe it will flow like SFAM and Octavarium and have a certain continuity? That would explain the inclusion of an intro track and also make a full performance reasonable. JP said the "evening with" format works best when they play some album in full ;)
I know this is all speculation, but it's interesting to think about. I just have to hope the new album will be really good if they play it in full!
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So, first set: New album. Second set: old albums. Encores: timeless masterpieces.
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I would not bet on it yet, since i would expect an official statement if they plan "An evening with... tour".
But PLEASE, PROVE ME WRONG!
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Well the evidence is very much in favour of it being An Evening With, but you're right, I won't count my chickens just yet.
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Well the evidence is very much in favour of it being An Evening With, but you're right, I won't count my chickens just yet.
Yeah... "don't say cat if it's not in the sack" :D
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Sorry guys, i should have wrote this before: JP confirmed to the former DT italian fan club coordinator that the tour is going to be "An Evening With". As for now we don't know if this would turn out in a 3 1/2 hour concert or less, but this is what he wrote to this guy.
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Awesome news, thanks for informing us! :tup
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:D :D :D :D
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Brilliant news.
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The bad news are now the wait.
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Ok, now I got it ;)
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Ok, now I got it ;)
Sì scusa Marco, non riesco a spiegarmi come abbia fatto a dimenticarmi di dirtelo prima... :sadpanda:
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Sorry Marco, i can't explain how i managed to forget to share this news with you...
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Ma figurati! Il segreto è durato solo qualche ora! :D
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Nevermind, the secret lasted only a couple of hours. :)
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HOLY CRAP!! AWESOME!!!!
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If the return to the "evening with" format hadn't been confirmed yet, here (https://menolippu.fi/dream-theater/) would be another clue - 8 PM is a really early showtime for a concert in Finland (even on Monday) and last time DT started playing at 9 PM (https://www.tiketti.fi/Dream-Theater-USA-Periphery-USA-Helsingin-Jaahalli-Helsinki-lippuja/13085) (also a Monday date).
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Oh God I need to see this tour.
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Oh God I need to see this tour.
YES!
Wrong band. But I hope they continue this on the US tour. If not, and it's just a 2 hour show, I will still be happy. 2 hours is still pretty awesome, and if the opener is a band I like (please Haken please), all the better! :)
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Bosky just confirmed it.
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HOLY SHIT!
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Awesome news, also confirmed by JR/JLB:
(https://i.imgur.com/HCTNEOB.jpg)
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As Croatia is acceding to the European Union, a huge concert promotion agency has given a 50% discount for ticket sales to their concerts during the first week of membership in the EU (1st-7th July). And yes, DT is listed!!!! Ticket price down from 33 to 16,50€ :lol
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^Goddammit, I just had to pay 3 times the same amount of money for my ticket to Helsinki!
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As Croatia is acceding to the European Union, a huge concert promotion agency has given a 50% discount for ticket sales to their concerts during the first week of membership in the EU (1st-7th July). And yes, DT is listed!!!! Ticket price down from 33 to 16,50€ :lol
:o You. I will pay almost four time as much! No discount for trustworthy countries? :-[
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Well unfortunately not. I can though imagine that if a DT concert was scheduled in Palermo, it would surely (according to the economy-related pricelist) be sensibly cheaper than in Milano or Roma, right? :lol ;)
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It wouldn't be. Some regions are quite richer than others, true, but prices are the same everywhere in Italy :D
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As Croatia is acceding to the European Union, a huge concert promotion agency has given a 50% discount for ticket sales to their concerts during the first week of membership in the EU (1st-7th July). And yes, DT is listed!!!! Ticket price down from 33 to 16,50€ :lol
That's awesome.
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I'm a little confused. While some "Evening With" shows have been over 3 hours, some have been 3 hours including intermission. And if intermission is 15 minutes, that makes it no more than 5 minutes longer than the 2hr 40min shows that happened on the last leg of the ADTOE tour, and I think also happened on the CiM tour right? The only thing really added is an intermission?
I think the guys have said this tour they're doing something like two 90 minute sets, which would mean a 3 hour show plus intermission. But could someone with more DT concerts under their belt clarify- what is the minimum and maximum time for the "Evening With" format?
And btw I'm happy with ANY of this.. I mean so many bands do 90 minutes and barely change their set, so I'm ridiculously excited for this tour, however they do it.
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I'm a little confused. While some "Evening With" shows have been over 3 hours, some have been 3 hours including intermission. And if intermission is 15 minutes, that makes it no more than 5 minutes longer than the 2hr 40min shows that happened on the last leg of the ADTOE tour, and I think also happened on the CiM tour right? The only thing really added is an intermission?
I think the guys have said this tour they're doing something like two 90 minute sets, which would mean a 3 hour show plus intermission. But could someone with more DT concerts under their belt clarify- what is the minimum and maximum time for the "Evening With" format?
And btw I'm happy with ANY of this.. I mean so many bands do 90 minutes and barely change their set, so I'm ridiculously excited for this tour, however they do it.
They sometimes do longer shows that aren't in the "Evening With" format, although many were also shorter too, closer to 2 hours. At the very least, the Evening With format guarantees that everywhere will be getting the longer shows, without an opening act eating into the possible time.
And even without the intermission, these shows will be close to 3 hours, and about half an hour or more longer than the average.
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I'm a little confused. While some "Evening With" shows have been over 3 hours, some have been 3 hours including intermission. And if intermission is 15 minutes, that makes it no more than 5 minutes longer than the 2hr 40min shows that happened on the last leg of the ADTOE tour, and I think also happened on the CiM tour right? The only thing really added is an intermission?
I think the guys have said this tour they're doing something like two 90 minute sets, which would mean a 3 hour show plus intermission. But could someone with more DT concerts under their belt clarify- what is the minimum and maximum time for the "Evening With" format?
And btw I'm happy with ANY of this.. I mean so many bands do 90 minutes and barely change their set, so I'm ridiculously excited for this tour, however they do it.
That's the case with Megadeth nowadays. I went to see them last month, and while it was still a great show, they barely played for 90 minutes, and the set list was exactly the same as every other night.
This will be my first time seeing DT with the "Evening with" format. :)