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Title: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: faemir on May 09, 2009, 07:21:34 AM
Noticed the new forums didn't have an appreciation thread for Epica, so I guess I should start one, especially as my Classical Conspiracy double cd arrived (which is drop-dead amazing). I mean come on, look at the track listing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Classical_Conspiracy

My favourite being the Imperial March (Star Wars)

Also, in before the male vocals suck ;)

Which album is your favourite and why? Mine's probably their third (and latest), but I think all three are spectacular.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: GuineaPig on May 09, 2009, 07:47:03 AM
I wish their albums were as good as the one that inspired their name.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: faemir on May 09, 2009, 08:19:23 AM
Also, whoever said they weren't good live... well the classical conspiracy says otherwise  :hat

I wish their albums were as good as the one that inspired their name.

Eh, I prefer The Black halo and Karma, not so sure about Ghost Opera though.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: gazinwales on May 10, 2009, 03:17:15 PM
They certainly are very good live, saw them a couple of years ago at a festival in Finland.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Wrath42147 on May 10, 2009, 06:08:56 PM
i have the devine conspiracy. i like it havent listend to it much

simone is hot
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on May 10, 2009, 06:12:16 PM
i have the devine conspiracy. i like it havent listend to it much

simone is hot

This post is beyond brilliant.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: OsMosis2259 on May 10, 2009, 07:52:49 PM
I saw them open for Symphony X but i think the singer was different... because it was some blonde woman and she wasn't really hot... I think it was a different singer but they were pretty epic
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on May 10, 2009, 08:41:49 PM
I saw them open for Symphony X but i think the singer was different... because it was some blonde woman and she wasn't really hot... I think it was a different singer but they were pretty epic

That was Amanda Sommersville (sp?). She is on all of their cd's as a back up singer and helps arrange the vocals on their cd's. She is also a vocal coach and such. Simone was ill for a while so Amanda filled in for a while.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on July 24, 2009, 12:25:25 PM
I posted about The Divine Conspiracy before the board crash, and figured I'd chime in again on it.  The subject matter still pisses me off.  But, musically, this has to be one of the strongest albums ever written by anyone.  I can't stop listening to it.  Simone's vocals are incredibly strong, and the music behind her is the perfect blend of heavy, epic, complex, and beautiful.  Even the troll's screamy vocals somehow don't drag it down.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Bombardana on July 24, 2009, 01:16:37 PM
I don't much like the lyrics, but what can you expect from a european power metal band writing in a different language
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Neccy60 on July 24, 2009, 03:02:21 PM
So overrated, especially because of that redheaded chick that's fapped to way too much.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: faemir on July 28, 2009, 11:48:18 AM
I posted about The Divine Conspiracy before the board crash, and figured I'd chime in again on it.  The subject matter still pisses me off.  But, musically, this has to be one of the strongest albums ever written by anyone.  I can't stop listening to it.  Simone's vocals are incredibly strong, and the music behind her is the perfect blend of heavy, epic, complex, and beautiful.  Even the troll's screamy vocals somehow don't drag it down.

Time to try a different albums perhaps? The others are still great :(
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on July 28, 2009, 11:57:26 AM
Oh, definitely.  I just haven't gotten around to it yet. 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Zook on July 28, 2009, 04:20:31 PM
I appreciate The Divine Conspiracy's album cover.


I liked the band for a little bit, but if they'd get rid of that troll, I'd like them more. I just don't like growls mixed with female fronted metal.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: faemir on August 01, 2009, 05:56:37 PM
I appreciate The Divine Conspiracy's album cover.


I liked the band for a little bit, but if they'd get rid of that troll, I'd like them more. I just don't like growls mixed with female fronted metal.

Shame, I love it  ;D
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 01, 2009, 08:00:12 PM
I posted about The Divine Conspiracy before the board crash, and figured I'd chime in again on it.  The subject matter still pisses me off.  But, musically, this has to be one of the strongest albums ever written by anyone.  I can't stop listening to it.  Simone's vocals are incredibly strong, and the music behind her is the perfect blend of heavy, epic, complex, and beautiful.  Even the troll's screamy vocals somehow don't drag it down.

Was it along the same lines of Dominici's O3 album?
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Summers on October 05, 2009, 12:22:25 PM
*digs up thread*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNGzltK_tlc - new video  :metal

Really liking the song after a few listens.  The video is slightly cheeseball but that song is pretty great IMO.  Looking forward to the new album in a couple of weeks  :tup
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Volk9 on October 05, 2009, 12:44:15 PM
Thanks for reminding me about the new album ;D

Anyways, the song was pretty good for a single imo
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Phantasmatron on October 05, 2009, 12:47:52 PM
I haven't heard their new album yet, but I'm pretty sure it fails simply for not having Simone on the cover.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Neccy60 on October 05, 2009, 01:13:03 PM
Boooooooooooooooooooo.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Phantasmatron on October 06, 2009, 01:15:13 AM
Boooooooooooooooooooobs.

If only...
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Volk9 on October 28, 2009, 10:30:44 AM
Anyone get their newest album yet? (It was released on the 16th)

I went to go pick it up at Best Buy today(along with BTBAM's new album), but they didnt have it :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on October 28, 2009, 10:44:57 AM
I went to pick it up as well.  The release date (at least in the U.S.) is pushed back.  It's either November 3 or November 10.  But I did find The Classical Conspiracy while I was there.  :tup
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: ariich on October 28, 2009, 11:49:20 AM
Hah! That makes up for us getting the new Transatlantic late!

I've listened to some of it on Spotify, it's not bad, but I don't think I'm a huge fan of Epica's music, something just doesn't quite sit right with me. And their growly vocals are just laughable.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on October 28, 2009, 12:02:44 PM
Hah! That makes up for us getting the new Transatlantic late!

No, I don't think it does.  Transatlantic >>>>>>> (would to more but that would just be obnoxious) > Epica

So there.  :P

And did I mention I just got done listening to both CD's from the new TA just a little while ago?  When I'm done with Redemption, I think I'll do it again.  And maybe a third time later today.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: ariich on October 28, 2009, 12:37:58 PM
SHUT UP! >:(

Nah I only have to wait until Monday (hopefully) :)

With the new Epica though, if you like Divine Conspiracy then I'd be surprised if you don't like the new one.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: tbw2445 on November 02, 2009, 07:08:24 AM
Design Your Universe is absolutely amazing!! Love all the heavy riffs and the guitar solos! Their whole symphonic part is a full on this album.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: faemir on November 02, 2009, 10:13:01 AM
I can't decide whether I'm impressed with the new album or not. I think I was just hoping for more of a progression of sound rather than the after forever approach "yeah we have a good sound so lets just do it over and over again" :(
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: tbw2445 on November 02, 2009, 10:17:24 AM
I can't decide whether I'm impressed with the new album or not. I think I was just hoping for more of a progression of sound rather than the after forever approach "yeah we have a good sound so lets just do it over and over again" :(
Well they did add some amazing guitar solos imo. I know what you're saying though about the sound. They tend to use it all the time, but it's always good, at least for me.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Volk9 on November 02, 2009, 10:29:24 AM
I can't decide whether I'm impressed with the new album or not. I think I was just hoping for more of a progression of sound rather than the after forever approach "yeah we have a good sound so lets just do it over and over again" :(

Well, to be honest, I really dont like the new album too much right now, although it does need more listening. The only song I keep coming back to is Unleashed. I mean, all of the songs have really nice parts in them, but they sound very...samey to me. Its just not catching my attention as much as the Divine Conspiracy did.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Orbert on November 02, 2009, 10:42:00 AM
After hearing a lot about this band, I decided to check out The Classical Conspiracy.  Overall, I like it a lot.  I like the mix of classical and epic rock, and it's done pretty well.  I guess I just don't "get" growly vocals.  It just sounds really stupid to me whenever he sings like that.  Otherwise, it's all pretty good stuff.

It's the only album by them that I've heard, but I like it and may check out some more when I get a chance.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: ariich on November 02, 2009, 12:38:28 PM
After hearing a lot about this band, I decided to check out The Classical Conspiracy.  Overall, I like it a lot.  I like the mix of classical and epic rock, and it's done pretty well.  I guess I just don't "get" growly vocals.  It just sounds really stupid to me whenever he sings like that.  Otherwise, it's all pretty good stuff.
That is NOT a good example of growly vocals. I have nothing against growls, but the Epica dude's vocals sound like a retarded troll.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Orbert on November 02, 2009, 04:42:17 PM
Yeah, pretty much.  I was quite underwhelmed.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: faemir on January 14, 2010, 10:10:00 AM
Epic thread resurrection.

So I pretty much love the new album now, perhaps even more so than the divine conspiracy.

Kingdom of Heaven ~ A New Age Dawns - part V has to be Epica's best song evar.

Any other takers?

Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Volk9 on January 14, 2010, 11:10:51 AM
Epic thread resurrection.

So I pretty much love the new album now, perhaps even more so than the divine conspiracy.

Kingdom of Heaven ~ A New Age Dawns - part V has to be Epica's best song evar.

Any other takers?



Its definately a really solid album. I really love Diving Conspiracy though. I would rank this just a tiny bit lower
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: TimmyHiggy on January 14, 2010, 12:52:40 PM
WHOA just listening to Imperial March. My god its good!!!!!

LOL the spotify advert that came on half way through was of someone singing "oops i did it again" in an opera style with a live orchestra. I thought it was on the album until the voiceover came on telling me about when this tv show is on!
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on January 14, 2010, 01:30:11 PM
:lol

I had it playing the other day through my computer when my boss came in to talk to me about some stuff.  The look on his face when he realized what he was hearing was amusing.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: faemir on January 14, 2010, 03:28:12 PM
I would kill to see that stuff live >:(
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Chaotic_AK on January 14, 2010, 05:50:27 PM
They're definitely one of the bands of the symphonic metal genre. Their new album, Design Your Universe, is definitely their best to date (along with The Phantom Agony).
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Accelerando on January 15, 2010, 12:24:57 AM
I heard some songs from the album on YouTube, and I love, love, love, love, love, love the Pirates of the Caribbean piece they did. Fuckin  :metal
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Vahvahenki on January 16, 2010, 10:37:01 AM
I have to say one thing about their new album:

Kingdom Of Heaven :hefdaddy

That is all.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: faemir on January 16, 2010, 05:21:07 PM
I heard some songs from the album on YouTube, and I love, love, love, love, love, love the Pirates of the Caribbean piece they did. Fuckin  :metal

 :metal

I have to say one thing about their new album:

Kingdom Of Heaven :hefdaddy

That is all.

 :metal

(a couple more   :metal :metal for good luck)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: TimmyHiggy on January 17, 2010, 07:14:03 AM
Listening to design your universe.

Tis good. The growls are better on this one, although the albums concept is a bit stupid...
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Vahvahenki on January 17, 2010, 08:22:39 AM
Listening to design your universe.

Tis good. The growls are better on this one, although the albums concept is a bit stupid...

Well, Ariën did secondary growls to give them a 'fuller' sound.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: faemir on January 17, 2010, 11:14:27 AM
Listening to design your universe.

Tis good. The growls are better on this one, although the albums concept is a bit stupid...

I've never had a problem with his growls. But yes, the concept is very lol-worthy.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: snowhite on February 04, 2010, 06:20:30 AM
Bwuuh Epica... I find them terrible really. I used to quite like them, but then (well, when I saw them live) I finally figured out that nothing redeems Mark's terrible vocals, and that they try to just be too many things at once. Design Your Universe is a step up, but it's trying so hard to be brutal and rips off so many bands in the process, I don't understand  ???.

Simone has a nice voice. And I love Sancta Terra and Fools of Damnation.

Good symphonic metal = Nightwish. Imo :).
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: faemir on February 04, 2010, 08:16:25 AM
I think there is a significant difference between Nightwish and Epica's style though, to compare them doesn't feel right.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 04, 2010, 08:22:18 PM
she'll be in St.Paul on Saturday.

(https://a6.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/21/l_cdd22823e71a9d0f3b69e08d17ef1cdd.jpg)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: faemir on February 05, 2010, 10:03:29 AM
 :tup
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: TimmyHiggy on February 06, 2010, 04:48:58 AM
God bless boobs.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Volk9 on February 06, 2010, 03:27:55 PM
Design Your Universe is slowly becoming my favorite album from them. Everything on it is just done so much better from their previous releases.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on February 06, 2010, 05:11:50 PM
Design Your Universe is slowly becoming my favorite album from them. Everything on it is just done so much better from their previous releases.

I thought a few songs were good, but most of them just struck me as blande. Also, the "talking" parts just make me want to kill myself.


However, the picture in the booklet of Simone in the water could possibly be the sexiest pic of anyone ever. I looked for it online but couldn't find it, if someone can, post it.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: TimmyHiggy on February 06, 2010, 05:16:07 PM
Design Your Universe is slowly becoming my favorite album from them. Everything on it is just done so much better from their previous releases.

I thought a few songs were good, but most of them just struck me as blande. Also, the "talking" parts just make me want to kill myself.


However, the picture in the booklet of Simone in the water could possibly be the sexiest pic of anyone ever. I looked for it online but couldn't find it, if someone can, post it.

Well when i read a statement like that I HAVE to go hunt it down!!

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9VP4v9a4o8w/SuXaGwXjXAI/AAAAAAAACUk/sxvpIRNPK8I/s1600/Epica%2B-%2BDesign%2BYour%2BUniverse%2B-%2BBooklet%2B(3-12).jpg)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on February 06, 2010, 05:17:49 PM
Yea, that second pic.

Wow.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: TheVoxyn on February 06, 2010, 05:20:09 PM
I also google'd the picture and I don't even like the band  :laugh:.

I hope she will be a guest during the next Kamelot tour, she was pretty awesome last time 'round.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on February 06, 2010, 05:21:12 PM
I also google'd the picture and I don't even like the band  :laugh:.

I hope she will be a guest during the next Kamelot tour, she was pretty awesome last time 'round.

They announced someone else.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: TheVoxyn on February 06, 2010, 05:25:07 PM
I also google'd the picture and I don't even like the band  :laugh:.

I hope she will be a guest during the next Kamelot tour, she was pretty awesome last time 'round.

They announced someone else.
They did that last year as well, she still came on stage and sang a few songs though :).
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: yeshaberto on February 19, 2010, 10:32:50 PM
bumpster


someone recommended these guys today, so I am purchasing/downloading cd 1 of classic conspiracy...I liked the samples. 
the same person recommended kamelot, so I will hit them up next.  If I like cd 1 I will then get 2.

yahoo!
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: faemir on February 21, 2010, 06:53:51 AM
Excellent. Both awwwwesome bands!
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 21, 2010, 11:25:29 PM
I also google'd the picture and I don't even like the band  :laugh:.

I hope she will be a guest during the next Kamelot tour, she was pretty awesome last time 'round.

They announced someone else.
They did that last year as well, she still came on stage and sang a few songs though :).

According to Kamelot's website, Simone just finished recording vocals for two Kamelot songs on thier next album.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: faemir on February 22, 2010, 05:19:23 PM
I also google'd the picture and I don't even like the band  :laugh:.

I hope she will be a guest during the next Kamelot tour, she was pretty awesome last time 'round.

They announced someone else.
They did that last year as well, she still came on stage and sang a few songs though :).

According to Kamelot's website, Simone just finished recording vocals for two Kamelot songs on thier next album.

 :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Summers on March 12, 2011, 07:22:38 AM
Anyone seeing them on the current tour?  Just saw them Thursday night in Bilston, what a night, one of the best gigs I've been to!  First Epica gig, Revamp were amazing too.  Those women can sing... 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: The Dark Master on March 12, 2011, 11:09:57 PM
Easily my favorite of the recent slew of female fronted psudo-gothic symphonic metal bands.  I had my reservations about the growly death metal vocals on the first two albums, but Divine Conspiracy won me over.  Quite possibly one of the best albums ever written, both musically and lyrically a masterpiece (and I am usually pretty grudging when giving high compliments to lyrics).  Design Your Universe certainly didn't disappoint, and the continuation of the style established on TDC shows that the band know what works, and they intend to continue down that musical path, which is very reassuring.  However, TDC will always be THEE Epica album for me.  That album defined them in the same way Image & Words defined DT, and likewise it was an equally sublime experience.


BTW, Classical Conspiracy is also one of the best live albums of all time.  The Imperial March and the live version of Last Crusade alone make that album a must-own for any symphonic metal fan  :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: adace on January 24, 2012, 09:40:57 PM
So as you might know, the new album is entitled "Requiem for the Indifferent." The song "Storm the Sorrow" leaked today. I won't link it here but you can just google/youtube it. Very good song imo.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 24, 2012, 10:57:10 PM
I didn't even realize they had a new album, I'm interested
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: adace on February 09, 2012, 06:11:24 PM
album samples https://www.amazon.co.uk/Requiem-for-the-Indifferent/dp/B0075G6IFI/ref=sr_shvl_album_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1328835654&sr=301-5 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Requiem-for-the-Indifferent/dp/B0075G6IFI/ref=sr_shvl_album_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1328835654&sr=301-5)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on February 09, 2012, 07:57:58 PM
I posted about The Divine Conspiracy before the board crash, and figured I'd chime in again on it.  The subject matter still pisses me off.  But, musically, this has to be one of the strongest albums ever written by anyone.  I can't stop listening to it.  Simone's vocals are incredibly strong, and the music behind her is the perfect blend of heavy, epic, complex, and beautiful.  Even the troll's screamy vocals somehow don't drag it down.

Time to try a different albums perhaps? The others are still great :(

The problem is, my understanding is that even aside from the Divine Conspiracy, their lyrics tend to be openly hostile toward religion just in general.  And while I might strongly agree with them with respect to certain individual religions, a band whose lyrical content is dominated by hostility toward religion in general just isn't a band I am interested in listening to.  Shame, too, because as I said, I LOVE their sound.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Dr. DTVT on February 09, 2012, 08:39:48 PM
Bosky, try Mayan.  It's basically Epica, but they go after politics.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: faemir on March 13, 2012, 02:44:56 PM
Listening to the new album - first listen was very 'meh', but already on listen #2 and it's sticking out a lot more. Then again, Design Your Universe was exactly the same, and it's now my favourite album by them.

It's another almost 80 minute album, they really like to get a lot on each CD don't they, perhaps that's why I find it hard to sink my teeth into initially.

Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Dr. DTVT on March 13, 2012, 05:29:48 PM
I agree with your initial assessment faemir.  I think when all is set and done though that The Divine Conspiracy will still reign as my favorite Epica album that I own at this point (Design and the new one being the other 2 I have).
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on March 13, 2012, 11:48:55 PM
I gotta get this album.  While Ive never been a big fan of the male vocals, Ive grown to be able to enjoy them for the most part and Simones vocals easily make up for it.  I totally agree with the assessment that it takes a few listens.  I just think in general that it takes time to really enjoy Epica's music.  Its definitely not a one time listen and you love them type of band.  I really enjoyed Design Your Universe so I definitely need to give this album a listen.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Silver Tears on March 14, 2012, 05:20:34 AM
I didn't really manage to get into Design Your Universe  :-\
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2012, 09:57:08 AM
There's 2 problems that I can see with Design Your Universe.

1. The god damn narration, these bands just need to stop with that, or the dialogue stuff, whatever, it's horrible on every level.

2. They somewhat developed a need to drag out all of their songs into pointless instrumental sections.


That said, I still like the album, though it took me quite a while to really dig it.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: faemir on March 14, 2012, 07:06:34 PM
It is really long, but I think I prefer it over the TDC now.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 02, 2012, 06:59:04 PM
Ive given the new album a bunch of listens now and im really starting to dig it. Its definitely not catchy but it grows on you. This album is more complex than thier other stuff and now that its soaked in, im really enjoying it.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Dr. DTVT on May 13, 2012, 10:19:19 PM
I've been playing the hell out of Requiem for the Indifferent lately.  "Storm the Sorrow" is just magnificent.  When Simone belts out the "NOOOOooooOOOO" in the chorus...*orgasm*
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on May 13, 2012, 10:20:45 PM
I've listened to Requiem a whole bunch of times now. And I can't remember a single melody/riff from the CD. It really sounds like they took their formula for the past 2 albums and just quickly rehashed it to make an album. I didn't feel a whole lot of heart in this one.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 14, 2012, 05:24:25 AM
They are touring the us in the fall with ale storm. I may check them out in NYC.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on May 14, 2012, 08:43:06 AM
I've listened to Requiem a whole bunch of times now. And I can't remember a single melody/riff from the CD. It really sounds like they took their formula for the past 2 albums and just quickly rehashed it to make an album. I didn't feel a whole lot of heart in this one.

I initially kinda felt that way about The Divine Conspiracy.  And then I realized, "wait a minute.  I was hugely into And Justice For All way back in '89, so since I'm so familiar with the riffs from One, I guess I'm automatically familiar with the vast majority of riffs from TDC."
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 14, 2012, 08:45:30 AM
Fools of Damnation   :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Silver Tears on May 14, 2012, 08:45:51 AM
They are touring the us in the fall with ale storm. I may check them out in NYC.

I would go just to see Simone  :heart
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: MajorMatt on July 15, 2012, 09:57:11 AM
Bump!

I don't know why but I always had a bit of a dislike for female vocals for some reason  :huh: That was until I was in need of some new music and someone recommended I give Ayreon's The Human Equation a spin. I really enjoyed it and it also changed my mind about female vox. A bit down the line I also acquired 01. Floor & Irene Jansen and Marcela Bovio's vocals really grabbed me and converted me.

I became a fan of Simone's voice the second I heard it on Web of Lies, which was a while back now. I always meant to check out Epica but never seemed to get around to it (although I did check out who Simone was, hence my avatar  :D ). Seeing as I had some down time, I gave Star One's Victims Of the Modern Age a spin, Floor's voice rekindled my liking of female singing and also reminded me to give Epica a go, now I can't seem to get Storm the Sorrow out of my head! Now in the process of working through their material.

Just found out that they are playing at a club that I go to sometimes when I'm at uni. It's very near to my home, only a short walk from my uni accommodation and tickets are cheap so might check them out live too. Apparently Stream of Passion are supporting so I'll have to check them out too, if I heard right Marcela Bovio fronts them too, and as I said before I enjoy her vox too.

Also this...
I would go just to see Simone  :heart
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 15, 2012, 12:12:28 PM
I have Requiem for the Indifferent and Design Your Universe. I love both of them even though the male growling vocals pretty much suck. Simone Simons has a great voice and she's hot as hell too. Even though its more poppy, my favorite song is Storm The Sorrow. I'm not really too familiar with symphonic metal so I don't know if they're ripping anyone off (like some people say) but I enjoy them.

(edit: meant to type "symphonic metal" not "symphonic rock")
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: MajorMatt on July 15, 2012, 01:59:07 PM
Yeah I just listened to Cry For The Moon and I understand where people got the troll idea from, the male vox aren't too great.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: RichardRG on July 23, 2012, 10:17:37 AM
I saw them open for Kamelot during the Black Halo Tour in 2006 in NYC. I love Simone Simmons, she's so hot. She has a great voice, too, lol. Consign to Oblivion is definitely one of the better metal albums of the past decade, imo.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on October 26, 2012, 10:02:14 AM
Man...you know, if only this band had different lyrics, they could be in my top 3 favorite bands ever rather than just being a band I marginally listen to once in a blue moon as background music.  They have SUCH a good sound.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Dr. DTVT on October 26, 2012, 10:01:53 PM
Their earlier stuff isn't as anti-religion IIRC.  I went on a Consign to Oblivion kick a week or two ago.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 27, 2012, 09:57:38 AM
Well with the growing its not so easy to understand the lyrics. I can't say I'm a fan of the lyrics but I don't let it get to me cause the music is that good.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on March 14, 2013, 05:46:43 PM
Anyone see this?

https://www.livemusicstage.com/events/80/epica-retrostream/12?readmore=1

Quote
Internationally renowned symphonic metal band Epica celebrates their 10th anniversary on March 23rd with a special performance titled ”Retrospect”. Joining them on stage in Eindhoven, The Netherlands, will be a 70-piece symphonic orchestra and choir, making it the band's most ambitious project ever.

Since it would be nearly impossible to take such a massive line-up on the road, Epica has partnered with LiveMusicStage who will broadcast the concert live online across the globe.

“I am looking very much forward to this show. Everything we have done and achieved in these last 10 years will come together on the 23rd of March. Playing with a big orchestra and choir brings our music even more alive, in fact that’s the way how it's meant to be. Very rarely can we realize all of it and that makes it so special”, says Mark Jansen of Epica.

The high quality live stream provides an exclusive, social concert experience with a front row view of the greatest Epica show ever: ”Retrospect” is literally a retrospective on Epica's career including new songs never performed before, with special guests and effects. It presents Epica's music the organic way − accompanied by a symphonic orchestra and a choir.

The anniversary show is expected to sell out soon, so don't miss your chance to experience another milestone in Epica's exquisite existence!

Sounds really cool and for 9 bucks, Im seriously interested, although I feel like I could forget to be around on a Saturday afternoon to watch.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: TheGreatPretender on March 14, 2013, 05:54:17 PM
They are touring the us in the fall with ale storm. I may check them out in NYC.

It was a great show. I saw them on Halloween night. Alestorm dressed like Batman characters and called themselves "Christian Balestorm".

And Epica, at the end, for an encore, did Sally's Song from A Nightmare Before Christmas.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Dr. DTVT on March 14, 2013, 06:04:33 PM
Yeah, I might have plans that Saturday, otherwise I'd probably jump in as well.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on March 14, 2013, 06:42:02 PM
They are touring the us in the fall with ale storm. I may check them out in NYC.

It was a great show. I saw them on Halloween night. Alestorm dressed like Batman characters and called themselves "Christian Balestorm".

And Epica, at the end, for an encore, did Sally's Song from A Nightmare Before Christmas.

That night ended up being the rehearsal dinnerfor NY sisters wedding so I didn't get to see them. I wish I got to catch that tour.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on March 24, 2013, 08:11:30 AM
Ended up watching the concert live.  Really really awesome show. Simone was off a bit, but the orchestra, choir, lighting, fireworks, and the rest of the band were great.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/epica/2013/klokgebouw-eindhoven-netherlands-3d8a14b.html
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on March 24, 2013, 11:27:36 AM
Apparently people are posting on Simone's facebook wall and/or tweeting her, asking her if she's pregnant/congratulating her on her pregnancy.
Newsflash: Most women don't have perfectly flat bellies, and some *gasp* don't even want to hide theirs!!! shocker, I know!! And if she is really pregnant but hasn't announced it that means it's none of anyone's damn business. People. :tdwn
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on March 25, 2013, 09:23:12 AM
During the chat for the concert, people kept questioning it. I feel bad for her if she isn't pregnant.... but it did look like a little baby bump. I wouldn't say anything to her cause its rude though.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Dr. DTVT on March 25, 2013, 10:32:43 AM
Well, a group of people will always become as smart as the dumbest person in the group.

Put that group on the internet and that lowest common denominator becomes very, very low.

Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2013, 02:27:47 PM
It is official per Kamelot FB, Simone and oliver are having a baby
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Lowdz on April 26, 2013, 03:30:23 PM
I've always been put off Epica because of the male growly stuff when I have dipped in.
But seeing as how I've been on a female-fronted band kick lately (MindMaze, MorningStarlett, Vandroya, Visions Of Atlantis, Nemesea etc) and I happened on The Consign To Oblivion album on Youtube I gave it a go.

I really like it. And no growls.  :metal

Are there any others without the growling?
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: adace on April 26, 2013, 03:35:20 PM
I've always been put off Epica because of the male growly stuff when I have dipped in.
But seeing as how I've been on a female-fronted band kick lately (MindMaze, MorningStarlett, Vandroya, Visions Of Atlantis, Nemesea etc) and I happened on The Consign To Oblivion album on Youtube I gave it a go.

I really like it. And no growls.  :metal

Are there any others without the growling?
Nightwish, Sirenia, Unsun, Within Temptation, Xandria, Edenbridge, Amberian Dawn
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Lowdz on April 26, 2013, 03:48:04 PM
I've always been put off Epica because of the male growly stuff when I have dipped in.
But seeing as how I've been on a female-fronted band kick lately (MindMaze, MorningStarlett, Vandroya, Visions Of Atlantis, Nemesea etc) and I happened on The Consign To Oblivion album on Youtube I gave it a go.

I really like it. And no growls.  :metal

Are there any others without the growling?
Nightwish, Sirenia, Unsun, Within Temptation, Xandria, Edenbridge, Amberian Dawn

Ahh, sorry Adace, I meant Epica albums without growling. Thanks anyway, I know most of those.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: adace on April 26, 2013, 04:12:11 PM
I've always been put off Epica because of the male growly stuff when I have dipped in.
But seeing as how I've been on a female-fronted band kick lately (MindMaze, MorningStarlett, Vandroya, Visions Of Atlantis, Nemesea etc) and I happened on The Consign To Oblivion album on Youtube I gave it a go.

I really like it. And no growls.  :metal

Are there any others without the growling?
Nightwish, Sirenia, Unsun, Within Temptation, Xandria, Edenbridge, Amberian Dawn

Ahh, sorry Adace, I meant Epica albums without growling. Thanks anyway, I know most of those.
No prob. I'm not totally sure if there's any others like that as I'm mainly familiar with their last two albums which do have growling.

A few non-growling songs I know of are Unleashed, Feint, Burn to a Cinder, Sancta Terra, Delirium, Safeguard to Paradise, and Tides of Time. Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 26, 2013, 10:32:15 PM
It is official per Kamelot FB, Simone and oliver are having a baby

I considered it official when I saw them live last week. Noticed the baby bump the whole show. She looked great too (as usual).
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2013, 07:59:41 AM
Yea it was noticed during the Retrospect show, but it wasn't confirmed. I assume its a bit more noticeable now.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Zook on April 27, 2013, 11:08:42 AM
I've always been put off Epica because of the male growly stuff when I have dipped in.
But seeing as how I've been on a female-fronted band kick lately (MindMaze, MorningStarlett, Vandroya, Visions Of Atlantis, Nemesea etc) and I happened on The Consign To Oblivion album on Youtube I gave it a go.

I really like it. And no growls.  :metal

Are there any others without the growling?

I'm confused. Consign to Oblivion has plenty of growls.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Lowdz on April 27, 2013, 01:33:16 PM
I've always been put off Epica because of the male growly stuff when I have dipped in.
But seeing as how I've been on a female-fronted band kick lately (MindMaze, MorningStarlett, Vandroya, Visions Of Atlantis, Nemesea etc) and I happened on The Consign To Oblivion album on Youtube I gave it a go.

I really like it. And no growls.  :metal

Are there any others without the growling?

I'm confused. Consign to Oblivion has plenty of growls.

Posted while I was still listening, about half way through and I didn't notice any. Do they come later? I jumped to some other albums and found the growls easily.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2013, 03:21:24 PM
The first few songs on Consign dont have growls.  I think that album also has the worst sounding growls.  He got much better in the newer albums.  I used to hate it and listen to mostly the Simone songs and songs with little growls, but I've grown to enjoy a lot of the other songs that have more growls.  I would recommend The Classical Conspiracy.  Has a mixture of music from thier first three albums, plus a bunch of instrumental tracks. 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Silver Tears on April 28, 2013, 02:52:58 AM
D'aww she's pregnant  :D
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: stereoxio on July 05, 2013, 08:55:57 AM
The first few songs on Consign dont have growls.  I think that album also has the worst sounding growls.  He got much better in the newer albums.  I used to hate it and listen to mostly the Simone songs and songs with little growls, but I've grown to enjoy a lot of the other songs that have more growls.  I would recommend The Classical Conspiracy.  Has a mixture of music from thier first three albums, plus a bunch of instrumental tracks.

I couldn't agree more with you :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 05, 2013, 11:54:30 AM
The first few songs on Consign dont have growls.  I think that album also has the worst sounding growls.  He got much better in the newer albums.  I used to hate it and listen to mostly the Simone songs and songs with little growls, but I've grown to enjoy a lot of the other songs that have more growls.  I would recommend The Classical Conspiracy.  Has a mixture of music from thier first three albums, plus a bunch of instrumental tracks.

I couldn't agree more with you :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

Also the song Living a Lie on the classical conspiracy has Simone singing the verses and no growls and is Sooo much better.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: stereoxio on July 05, 2013, 01:04:42 PM
The first few songs on Consign dont have growls.  I think that album also has the worst sounding growls.  He got much better in the newer albums.  I used to hate it and listen to mostly the Simone songs and songs with little growls, but I've grown to enjoy a lot of the other songs that have more growls.  I would recommend The Classical Conspiracy.  Has a mixture of music from thier first three albums, plus a bunch of instrumental tracks.

I couldn't agree more with you :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

Also the song Living a Lie on the classical conspiracy has Simone singing the verses and no growls and is Sooo much better.

Yup, when I first listened that song on the álbum it didn't work for me, the growls in the verses just didn't fit imo, and well, this was a little frustrating because I'm a huge Epica fan and I like almost every song of the band... Luckily The Classical Conspiracy's version came and now I am a happy girl  :laugh:
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 10, 2013, 08:45:26 PM
Wow.... I've been listening to the "wrong" version of Serenade of Self-Destruction for over a year now. I didn't know about the wrong version being on the first few CDs. I rather prefer it the way without the vocals.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 11, 2013, 05:58:53 AM
Wow.... I've been listening to the "wrong" version of Serenade of Self-Destruction for over a year now. I didn't know about the wrong version being on the first few CDs. I rather prefer it the way without the vocals.

Hmm. I may be listening to the wrong version too then. The retrospect concert had vocals that I was unaware of.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: gazinwales on November 06, 2013, 12:21:16 PM
Retrospect is out in a few days
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTy5yjccZzE
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on November 06, 2013, 03:24:27 PM
I'm going to have to get the Blu ray version when I see it on amazon
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: gazinwales on November 07, 2013, 02:51:10 AM
Yup I ordered mine from Amazon UK,good price too.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on November 15, 2013, 08:19:34 AM
The Phantom Agony, from Retrospect:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpIEPdRXwYA
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on November 15, 2013, 08:28:54 AM
I watched the concert live during the internet stream and the show was great overall. My stream worked great but there were very noticeable shots where the lights were shining right at the cameras making it impossible to see the band. I was hoping with the DVD they would have gone back and tried to edit it out but it looks like that problem made it to the DVD. I assume its because that problem was likely on all the cameras and they didn't have the footage to replace the bad stuff, but I know this problems will cause a lot of people to dislike the DVD. I'm still waiting to see if they get the Blu ray up on the USA version of amazon otherwise I'll have to order through the UK or something.

The song retrospect they wrote for this show was really good from what I recall so I'm pumped to get that on CD.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on November 15, 2013, 08:34:27 AM
The Phantom Agony, from Retrospect:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpIEPdRXwYA

Awesome!


My only complaint is the lighting though.  It's too dark and too blue.  I don't know why it seems so distracting. 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on November 15, 2013, 09:27:37 AM
Is the entire show lit like that?  Odd that there aren't any spotlights on Simone or the rest of the band.  If the whole show is dark like that, that's just strange.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on November 15, 2013, 09:36:29 AM
I've only seen a couple of clips so far.   I was planning on ordering the DVD but wanted to check out some of the footage first.  I'm not too sure if I want to purchase it if that's how it looks the whole show.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on November 15, 2013, 09:46:31 AM
Just watched the clip for Unleashed as well.  The blue search lights are just too much.  I won't go so far as to say that they ruin the visual experience, but they are definitely distracting.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on November 15, 2013, 09:54:34 AM
Just watched the clip for Unleashed as well.  The blue search lights are just too much.  I won't go so far as to say that they ruin the visual experience, but they are definitely distracting.

Especially when I am trying to get a good look at Simone.   ;)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on November 15, 2013, 04:30:00 PM
The blue search lights are like that the entire show I can pretty much confirm that.  Its a real shame.

I think there is an overall fair darkness to the concert, but I think TPA is more dark than the rest since they use those dance lights during the techno chorus.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Lowdz on November 17, 2013, 02:36:22 PM
Just watched the clip for Unleashed as well.  The blue search lights are just too much.  I won't go so far as to say that they ruin the visual experience, but they are definitely distracting.

It's like watching a JJ abrams film.

But that is one beautiful woman. I wondeer if there's a multicam option like on Outcry on LALP? They could save alot of disk space by just including the Simone cam. No-one's gonna bother watching the others.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: gazinwales on November 18, 2013, 01:16:23 AM
I got my BR/CD package today and TBH the blue lights are not an issue, evident here and there.
But wow what a concert and the 5.1 sound is amazing.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on December 02, 2013, 07:38:34 AM
I got the BR/CD pack this past weekend. The white lights are too bright and make it difficult to watch. You really miss out on a lot of what's going on because of the lighting. However, when the lights are not in the way, the picture is fantastic. The images are crisper than LaLP. Also the sound is really good. The performance is great too. I'm a pretty big fan of the new song Retrospect.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on December 02, 2013, 07:40:53 AM
Just watched the clip for Unleashed as well.  The blue search lights are just too much.  I won't go so far as to say that they ruin the visual experience, but they are definitely distracting.

It's like watching a JJ abrams film.

But that is one beautiful woman. I wondeer if there's a multicam option like on Outcry on LALP? They could save alot of disk space by just including the Simone cam. No-one's gonna bother watching the others.

Others?
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Lowdz on December 02, 2013, 12:24:01 PM
Just watched the clip for Unleashed as well.  The blue search lights are just too much.  I won't go so far as to say that they ruin the visual experience, but they are definitely distracting.

It's like watching a JJ abrams film.

But that is one beautiful woman. I wondeer if there's a multicam option like on Outcry on LALP? They could save alot of disk space by just including the Simone cam. No-one's gonna bother watching the others.

Others?

I believe there is a mountain troll there somewhere. I've heard it growl.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on December 02, 2013, 02:26:13 PM
Just watched the clip for Unleashed as well.  The blue search lights are just too much.  I won't go so far as to say that they ruin the visual experience, but they are definitely distracting.

It's like watching a JJ abrams film.

But that is one beautiful woman. I wondeer if there's a multicam option like on Outcry on LALP? They could save alot of disk space by just including the Simone cam. No-one's gonna bother watching the others.

Others?

I believe there is a mountain troll there somewhere. I've heard it growl.  :biggrin:

Oh, I just assumed it was a keyboard effect.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on December 02, 2013, 02:30:48 PM
:lol  I generally don't care for grunts or screams, but I've actually somehow come to like Mark Jansen's vocals.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on December 02, 2013, 05:05:53 PM
I'm not a big fan either but I've slowly gotten used to it and slowly have started to enjoy it.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on December 02, 2013, 05:22:14 PM
That's a good description for the process I went through as well.  It just kind of grew on me over time.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Lowdz on December 04, 2013, 04:03:20 AM
Watched the Retrospect dvd yesterday and enjoyed it.
It did remind me of the Underworld films in negative- there they put the gorgeous Kate Beckinsale in black leather and filmed in the dark so you can't see her. Here they have the beautiful Simone and blast her with light from behind. spoilt my enjoyment somewhat  :biggrin:
(sigh) she does have a way of making me feel like a teenager again.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on December 04, 2013, 05:53:11 AM
She really is a metal goddess
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on December 12, 2013, 03:34:40 PM
I've been listening to Retrospect a lot since I got it.  And while I enjoy it a lot and I think Simone does a fantastic job as a singer, she is one of the most awkward frontpersons I have ever heard when she is just talking to the crowd.  :lol  She takes such a long time to get to whatever point she is trying to make, and her stories are so convolluted and have so little to do with whatever she is trying to say.  Oh well.  At least she can sing.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on December 12, 2013, 08:33:18 PM
Yea. She says some word things and puts emphasis on parts of word that make the sentences sound weird. Same with the grunter. At one point he is introducing the orchestrator and says "he is called. ." Instead of saying "his name is " and I just assumed it was because they are dutch and English is not their first language. Elyze of Ameranthe talked the same way when I saw them a few months ago.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on December 12, 2013, 08:38:48 PM
Well, not just stuff like that.  I mean, those kinds of things are understandable for someone speaking a second language.  It's more just...the substance of what she says is awkward and doesn't make sense sometimes.  For instance, when she is introducing The Divine Conspiracy, she says:

"Tonight is like a dream come true.  Although...it does really feel like I'm still dreaming.  Reality can be beautiful sometimes, you know?  But...life has its dark sides as well.  This next song is about...the depths of dispair." 

Uh...what?  :justjen:  I mean, I get that she is trying to make a contrast to transition into the subject matter of the song, but the contrast she is making just doesn't work.  And don't even get me started on the whole thing before Chasing The Dragon, and how we somehow get from the band celebrating 10 years, to being in airports, to eating burgers, to Johnny Depp, to drug addiction.  :lol
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Dr. DTVT on December 12, 2013, 09:58:06 PM
I've been holding off on this because I want to get the Blu-ray, but it's not listed on amazon and Nuclear Blast is out of stock... :'(
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on December 12, 2013, 10:02:59 PM
I get why people prefer Blu Ray over DVD.  I really do.  But here's the thing:  If it was shot in high enough definition that you can see a difference between the Blu Ray version and the DVD version, it is in high enough definition that your Blu Ray player will up-convert the definition of the DVD to the point where you shouldn't notice much difference anyway.  So the only real difference is just the unfortunate fact that you have to change DVDs in the middle of the show instead of being able to watch it in one shot.  But if you were at the actual show, they would have had an intermission at that point anyway, so that just makes it more realistic.  SO JUST GET THE DVD, FOOL!
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Dr. DTVT on December 12, 2013, 11:25:02 PM
That's out of stock too.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on December 13, 2013, 05:47:25 AM
I get why people prefer Blu Ray over DVD.  I really do.  But here's the thing:  If it was shot in high enough definition that you can see a difference between the Blu Ray version and the DVD version, it is in high enough definition that your Blu Ray player will up-convert the definition of the DVD to the point where you shouldn't notice much difference anyway.  So the only real difference is just the unfortunate fact that you have to change DVDs in the middle of the show instead of being able to watch it in one shot.  But if you were at the actual show, they would have had an intermission at that point anyway, so that just makes it more realistic.  SO JUST GET THE DVD, FOOL!

A few things. The Blu ray is still double disc in this case and the show had no intermission that I recall(I watched the live stream). Second, while you are right that the DVD will upconvert, the Blu ray will still have better picture and maybe better sound. I haven't seen the DVD of this concert so I can't say this is 100% the case, but in other DVDs/Blu rays it has been noticeable.

I bought my Blu ray from UK amazon and the price plus shipping ended up being cheaper than the DVD version plus shipping from the US amazon.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on December 16, 2013, 08:52:11 AM
Okay, just got the new Nightwish live set and checked that out over the weekend.  After some of Marco's introductions, especially the one to Romanticide, I hereby withdraw my prior comment about Simone being the most awkward frontperson.  Holy inappropriate, Batman!  :lolpalm:  /offtopic
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Dr. DTVT on January 31, 2014, 10:58:34 PM
I finally got my hands on this.  The light beams are too much, but the band sounds really great.  The set list was great.  And Simone... :drool:

Late edit:  I've had Requiem for the Indifferent for almost two years and didn't realize there were lyrics for most of Serenade of Self-Destruction until I watched Retrospect.  Apparently, the first pressing accidentally had a mostly instrumental version on album.  What is really cool is that the instrumental version was my favorite song on the album when I thought it was supposed to be an instrumental, and then Simone and Mark raise that bar even higher now that I have the proper track (free for download from Nuclear Blast).
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: adace on February 05, 2014, 12:58:43 PM
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Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 05, 2014, 01:13:32 PM
 :metal

 :heart
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 05, 2014, 01:30:38 PM
I find it odd that most Epica fans seem to be people who don't like growls, yet Epica has probably the worst growler ever. :lol

I enjoy their music to an extent, but mostly I wish Mark would shut up, and either just have Simone do all the vocals, or find someone who can actually growl well.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 05, 2014, 01:39:07 PM
I can deal with the growls and I don't mind Mark's so much.  When he does the higher pitched growls, it reminds me of something that would come from Darkthrone.  However, as a whole I don't generally like the cookie monster vocals. However, to get some Simone I'll deal with them.  It's like some beautiful woman telling me I could fuck the shit out of her but first I have to do Rosie O Donnell.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 05, 2014, 03:54:25 PM
I think the growls have gotten better over time.  They are terrible on the first couple albums.  I do however wish there was just only Simone with limited growls.  I am pumped for the new album though.  I really liked RftI and the new song, Retrospect, from the DVD.  Id really like to see them live too the next time they come to the US.  I missed them last time due to my sisters wedding.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 08, 2014, 05:29:51 AM
Ashamed to say, been discovering this awesome band only recently. They are from my homecountry as well....  :blush
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 08, 2014, 05:39:12 AM
Too bad this most likely won't see a release soon....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMMjaGksrAk&hd=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMMjaGksrAk&hd=1)

full trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7kd8wrM7eQ&hd=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7kd8wrM7eQ&hd=1)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on February 08, 2014, 06:52:37 AM
Too bad this most likely won't see a release soon....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMMjaGksrAk&hd=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMMjaGksrAk&hd=1)

full trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7kd8wrM7eQ&hd=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7kd8wrM7eQ&hd=1)

Wow, I didn't know about that.  From the description on the YT page for the short trailer, it actually looks like some of it is going to be released now that they have won the rights (if the info on that page is correct). 

If you like them, I would strongly recommend picking up their Retrospect CD/DVD (or BluRay) release.  It is a VERY good representation of them live.  The video is at time VERY distracting because the over-the-top stage lighting keeps you from really seeing what is going on onstage.  But it is still an awesome release and really gives a great sampling of the band's catalog.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 08, 2014, 11:47:13 AM
Too bad this most likely won't see a release soon....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMMjaGksrAk&hd=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMMjaGksrAk&hd=1)

full trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7kd8wrM7eQ&hd=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7kd8wrM7eQ&hd=1)

Wow, I didn't know about that.  From the description on the YT page for the short trailer, it actually looks like some of it is going to be released now that they have won the rights (if the info on that page is correct). 

If you like them, I would strongly recommend picking up their Retrospect CD/DVD (or BluRay) release.  It is a VERY good representation of them live.  The video is at time VERY distracting because the over-the-top stage lighting keeps you from really seeing what is going on onstage.  But it is still an awesome release and really gives a great sampling of the band's catalog.

After finally being able to watch Retrospect on Blu-ray and not on YouTube the lighting doesn't distract me as much.  It's still a bit much but at least I can see Simone better.   :heart

I am pretty sure there is a bootleg of that unreleased show.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 08, 2014, 01:02:22 PM
Anyone know the set of that unreleased show? Id be interested to know since its probably a good show of older material.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 09, 2014, 04:26:16 AM
Bosk1 thanks for the tip. Yeah those lights look a bit distracting to say the least. Apparently, this was the setlist for the Paradiso gig.

Samadhi
Resign to Surrender
Cry for the Moon
Illusive Consensus
Unleashed
Martyr of the Free Word
Fools of Damnation
Tides of Time
Kingdom of Heaven

Encore:
Sancta Terra
(with Floor Jansen)
Consign to Oblivion
The Phantom Agony


It can be found here https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/epica/2011/paradiso-amsterdam-netherlands-53d3dbb1.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/epica/2011/paradiso-amsterdam-netherlands-53d3dbb1.html)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 09, 2014, 07:41:27 AM
Cant be it. That show was from 2006 or so I thought. The one video shows them opening with Dance of Fate.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 09, 2014, 09:18:15 AM
Cant be it. That show was from 2006 or so I thought. The one video shows them opening with Dance of Fate.

It is.. May 4 2006 is the date of the show.  It opens with Dance of Fate and here is the rest of the set:

Dance of Fate
Sensorium
The Last Crusade
Solitary Ground (with Amanda Somerville)
Force of the Shore
Quietus
Linger
Blank Infinity
Crystal Mountain
Seif Al Din
Facade of Reality
Trois Vierges
Another Me
The Phantom Agony

Cry For The Moon
Run For A Fall
Mother of Light

Consign to Oblivion

Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 09, 2014, 01:32:38 PM
Cool set of old material.  I guess since you didn't mention it, that there is no Khan on Trois Vierges
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 09, 2014, 01:34:42 PM
You mean a Khan fill-in? Because Khan has been retired from music for some time now.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 09, 2014, 03:03:16 PM
It was filmed in 2006.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 09, 2014, 03:05:33 PM
....I'm going to walk away in shame now. :P
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 10, 2014, 05:56:33 AM
Cool set of old material.  I guess since you didn't mention it, that there is no Khan on Trois Vierges

No, he did sing it.  It slipped my mind while I was typing the setlist up.  I am curious about the boot for this now because I am pretty sure I saw someone with it once.  Also, Jan Chris de Koeijer sang on Consign to Oblivion.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2014, 06:34:30 AM
Cool set of old material.  I guess since you didn't mention it, that there is no Khan on Trois Vierges

No, he did sing it.  It slipped my mind while I was typing the setlist up.  I am curious about the boot for this now because I am pretty sure I saw someone with it once.  Also, Jan Chris de Koeijer sang on Consign to Oblivion.

Oh cool. I figured you did a cut and paste from somewhere. I'm not a huge fan of that song but if Khan did it with Simone live then id like to see it.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Dr. DTVT on February 10, 2014, 10:11:26 AM
I'm usually not a bootleg person, but I'd love to see / hear that setlist live.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: adace on February 15, 2014, 11:09:54 PM
Much better than the cover for the last album. :tup
(https://assets.blabbermouth.net.s3.amazonaws.com/media/epicaquantumcover.jpg)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 16, 2014, 05:54:49 AM
 :metal Niiice!
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2014, 10:13:55 AM
I usually don't have too much opinions on cover art, but I am really attracted to that cover.  I like it a lot.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: adace on February 17, 2014, 02:38:11 PM
 Tracklisting:

01. Originem
02. The Second Stone
03. The Essence of Silence
04. Victims of Contingency
05. Sense Without Sanity (The Impervious Code)
06. Unchain Utopia
07. The Fifth Guardian (Interlude)
08. Chemical Insomnia
09. Reverence (Living in the Heart)
10. Omen [The Ghoulish Malady]
11. Canvas of Life
12. Natural Corruption
13. The Quantum Enigma (Kingdom Of Heaven Part II)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: adace on March 13, 2014, 03:01:32 PM
preview for "The Essence of Silence" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O15NGCvaWrk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O15NGCvaWrk)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: ErHaO on March 13, 2014, 05:36:41 PM
I hope the new album contains a minimal amount of growling. The artwork looks very good, nice album cover.

Yea. She says some word things and puts emphasis on parts of word that make the sentences sound weird. Same with the grunter. At one point he is introducing the orchestrator and says "he is called. ." Instead of saying "his name is " and I just assumed it was because they are dutch and English is not their first language. Elyze of Ameranthe talked the same way when I saw them a few months ago.

The comment was quite a while ago, but as Epica is often akward in saying things on stage I think it is still relevant  :D

As a dutch person I think a lot of the things they say that are a bit "off" are not really due to the fact that they are Dutch. When a person from the Netherlands barely speaks English, usually the person just takes a Dutch sentence and pull of a google translate kind of translation as far as they get. "He is called" is in Dutch something like: "hij wordt (insert name) genoemd". "Zijn naam is" is "his name is" translated and that is pretty much the same sentence to me. So it is just their style of talking I guess and I agree it is often weird and pretty bad. 

I do not know why I felt the sudden urge to make this reply, but yeah. Here you have my analysis on their stage dialouge  :P
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: ErHaO on March 13, 2014, 05:37:54 PM
I hope the new album contains a minimal amount of growling. The artwork looks very good, nice album cover.

Yea. She says some word things and puts emphasis on parts of word that make the sentences sound weird. Same with the grunter. At one point he is introducing the orchestrator and says "he is called. ." Instead of saying "his name is " and I just assumed it was because they are dutch and English is not their first language. Elyze of Ameranthe talked the same way when I saw them a few months ago.

The comment was quite a while ago, but as Epica is often akward in saying things on stage I think it is still relevant  :D

As a dutch person I think a lot of the things they say that are a bit "off" are not really due to the fact that they are Dutch. When a person from the Netherlands barely speaks English, usually the person just takes a Dutch sentence and pull of a google translate kind of translation as far as they get. "He is called" is in Dutch something like: "hij wordt (insert name) genoemd". "Zijn naam is" is "his name is" translated and that is pretty much the same sentence to me. And that is what we normally use to introduce somebody. So it is just their style of talking I guess and I agree it is often weird and pretty bad. 

I do not know why I felt the sudden urge to make this reply, but yeah. Here you have my analysis on their stage dialouge  :P
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on March 13, 2014, 06:28:24 PM
I know it's only 30 seconds but I wasn't too impressed yet.  Depending on which album wows me more, I always go back and forth between Epica and Within Temptation as my favorite female fronted metal band.  Again, I know it's only 30 seconds but if that one song sounded like that from start to finish, I'd be disappointed.  As of now WT have the edge. 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: adace on March 13, 2014, 06:47:11 PM
longer sample: https://itunes.apple.com/cl/album/the-essence-of-silence/id835658820?i=835660969&ign-mpt=uo%3D2 (https://itunes.apple.com/cl/album/the-essence-of-silence/id835658820?i=835660969&ign-mpt=uo%3D2)

The song is already available in some countries so we should see it pop up soon.

Edit: Found it on YT. Not sure I can post the link though. Very good song.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on March 14, 2014, 05:32:36 AM
I hope the new album contains a minimal amount of growling. The artwork looks very good, nice album cover.

Yea. She says some word things and puts emphasis on parts of word that make the sentences sound weird. Same with the grunter. At one point he is introducing the orchestrator and says "he is called. ." Instead of saying "his name is " and I just assumed it was because they are dutch and English is not their first language. Elyze of Ameranthe talked the same way when I saw them a few months ago.

The comment was quite a while ago, but as Epica is often akward in saying things on stage I think it is still relevant  :D

As a dutch person I think a lot of the things they say that are a bit "off" are not really due to the fact that they are Dutch. When a person from the Netherlands barely speaks English, usually the person just takes a Dutch sentence and pull of a google translate kind of translation as far as they get. "He is called" is in Dutch something like: "hij wordt (insert name) genoemd". "Zijn naam is" is "his name is" translated and that is pretty much the same sentence to me. So it is just their style of talking I guess and I agree it is often weird and pretty bad. 

I do not know why I felt the sudden urge to make this reply, but yeah. Here you have my analysis on their stage dialouge  :P

I guess that makes sense then, I may be heading to Amsterdam within the next month or two so I may experience this myself.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on March 14, 2014, 09:04:39 AM
I just think it's a bit unnecessary to announce a song in a growly voice, but that's all.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on March 14, 2014, 09:41:29 AM
I always thought it odd to announce sensorium with growls when the song doesn't have many growls. If it's a growl heavy song then it makes more sense.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 14, 2014, 10:09:17 AM
I wish Mark would just shut up.

I mean, I love growls, just not his. Either get a decent growler, or just have Simone song everything. Can't really have too much Simone.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Lowdz on March 16, 2014, 02:08:31 PM
Just watching the mking of videos on youtube and getting quite excited for this. Just hoping the grunter doesn't ruin it.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: stereoxio on March 19, 2014, 04:33:33 AM
I gave The Essence of Silence a few spins and I like what I've heard, it didn't blow my mind, but it's good stuff. Imho Mark has never been a great grunter nor guitarist, but the guy can compose some great orchestration, and what has always been a hook for me are those background choirs, so as long as there is a choir in all the album tracks I'll be drooling like a St. Bernard.   ;D
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on March 19, 2014, 08:49:02 AM
I gave The Essence of Silence a few spins and I like what I've heard, it didn't blow my mind, but it's good stuff. Imho Mark has never been a great grunter nor guitarist, but the guy can compose some great orchestration, and what has always been a hook for me are those background choirs, so as long as there is a choir in all the album tracks I'll be drooling like a St. Bernard.   ;D

I would expect that or at least most tracks.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: TimelessSymphony on April 09, 2014, 11:37:19 PM
The Quantum Enigma preview!  :metal

https://nz.7digital.com/artist/epica/release/the-quantum-enigma

Not gonna lie, it's sounds pretty good! Remains me of "Design Your Universe" which that album was epic. Can't wait for May to be here already  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: adace on April 11, 2014, 06:09:13 PM
Samples sound great. Definitely one of my most anticipated albums of the year.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Zukuduku on May 14, 2014, 02:42:14 PM
Nobody else has bought the new album yet? I have been listening to it for a few days and I like it very much. Close to DYU quality. For some reason surprisingly little growling, so for the first time when listening to Epica I started to think there should be more of growls. Luckily we have MaYaN to satisfy that wish.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on May 14, 2014, 02:43:21 PM
Oh, is it out?  I hadn't been paying attention.  (casual fan)  I may pick it up later if I have a chance.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 14, 2014, 02:54:18 PM
Ive wanted to get this, just been super busy and havent had a chance.  The single is good though and if there is less growling than that sounds even more appealing.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Dr. DTVT on May 14, 2014, 03:28:48 PM
I've had it since its release date.  It's not bad.  For some reason, Epica albums are all growers for me even though I pretty much no what to expect.  The Essence of Silence is the track that sticks out in my mind as the early favorite, I wish that would have made it as an acoustic track on the bonus disc.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Lowdz on May 15, 2014, 01:36:14 PM
I like it. I'm no huge fan of the band. I'd rather stare at Simone than listen to the music but its a good album. Not too growly thank god (pun intended  :biggrin:)

I don't find it particularly memorable after listening but while its playing its good.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: obscure on May 22, 2014, 10:31:23 PM
Mark Jansen interview on Blabbermouth (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/epicas-mark-jansen-speaks-to-lady-obscure-video/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)  :P
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 26, 2014, 04:58:37 AM
I like it mostly. The accoustic versions are stellar, though.... ???
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 30, 2014, 03:31:31 PM
Mark Jansen interview on Blabbermouth (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/epicas-mark-jansen-speaks-to-lady-obscure-video/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)  :P

Nice, thanks for doing the interview and sharing.  I still need to get the new album, need to remember to do it this weekend before I go on another 3 week journey around the world.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on June 11, 2014, 03:37:18 PM
Just got this last night and listened through once.  Nothing really stands out at this stage.  In fact, the album feels rather weak overall.  But my perspective may very well change after a few more listens.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 12, 2014, 04:02:52 AM
I got this last week and being that I am in the Netherlands now, ive been listening to lots of Epica.  I actually really really like the new album. 

I guess I am the opposite of Bosk, the album really hit me after the first listen.  I liked it immediately.  The music seems to be much better and less growling = a happier me, although the songs with the growls dont seem to bother me like they used to.  Not sure if the growling is just better used or if Ive just gotten so used to it that it doesnt take many listens to enjoy it.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 17, 2014, 07:37:15 PM
Am I the only one on this board who loves this album? Also, the acoustic stuff is amazing. On youtube, they have a 3 song acoustic set that is very enjoyable to my ears (well and eyes too)

https://youtu.be/DI7F1MkX-zg (https://youtu.be/DI7F1MkX-zg)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: adace on July 17, 2014, 07:40:31 PM
Am I the only one on this board who loves this album?
https://youtu.be/DI7F1MkX-zg (https://youtu.be/DI7F1MkX-zg)
Absolutely not. I think it's awesome, possibly their best. Certainly one of the best albums of the year at any rate.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Enalya on July 18, 2014, 02:59:58 AM
Oeh, only found out about this thread now! Huge Epica fan here :)

I've been to their anniversary show (Retrospect), that was so incredibly good with the 70 people strong choir and orchestra. If you're curious, check out the Retrospect DVD!

I've noticed Simone getting a lot better over the years and she's really an example to me, since I'm singing as well. Besides, I think Mark still writes the most creative and beautiful music after all these years, which speaks of real talent.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 18, 2014, 08:29:47 AM
I have the blu ray of Retrospect and watched the live stream of it.  Its really awesome.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on July 18, 2014, 09:16:52 AM
I have it as well.  Love it.  But, again, the new album is leaving me a bit cold.  Hard to explain why, beyond the fact that it just feels like it lacks conviction and power. 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 08, 2014, 08:15:47 AM
From the Epica newsletter:

Quote
We are excited to announce we will return to North America this fall to tour alongside MACHINE HEAD, CHILDREN OF BODOM and BATTLECROSS. It will see us return to a lot of major cities but also to some cities we have not played in a while.

4th Oct 2014  |  Summit Music Hall  |  Denver, CO United States  |  TICKETS 
6th Oct 2014  |  House of Blues  |  Dallas, TX United States  |  TICKETS 
7th Oct 2014  | House of Blues  |  Houston, TX United States  |  TICKETS 
9th Oct 2014  | Hard Rock Live  |  Orlando , FL United States  |  TICKETS 
10th Oct 2014  |  Masquerade  |  Atlanta ,GA United States  |  TICKETS 
12th Oct 2014  |  Electric Factory  |  Philadelphia, PA United States  |  TICKETS 
14th Oct 2014  |  The Sound Academy  |  Toronto, ON Canada  |  TICKETS 
16th Oct 2014  |  Terminal 5  |  New York, NY United States  |  TICKETS 
17th Oct 2014  |  Palladium (Rock n Shock)  |  Worcester, MA United States  |  TICKETS 
18th Oct 2014  |  Agora Theater  |  Cleveland, OH United States  |  TICKETS 
20th Oct 2014  |  Concord Music Hall  |  Chicago, IL United States  |  TICKETS 
21st Oct 2014  |  The Rave  |  Milwaukee, WI United States  |  TICKETS 
22nd Oct 2014 |  Skyway Theater  |  Minneapolis, MN United States  |  TICKETS 
24th Oct 2014  |  O'Brians |  Saskatoon, SK Canada  |  TICKETS 
26th Oct 2014  | Shaw Conference Center |  Edmonton, AB Canada  |  TICKETS 
28th Oct 2014  |  The Vogue |  Vancouver, BC, Canada  |  TICKETS 
29th Oct 2014  |  Showbox SODO  |  Seattle, WA United States  |  TICKETS 
31st Oct 2014  | Fox Theater  |  Oakland, CA United States  |  TICKETS 
1st Nov 2014  | Palladium  |  Hollywood, CA United States  |  TICKETS 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Dr. DTVT on August 08, 2014, 09:10:18 AM
Orlando!  I knew this move would pay off in spades.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: obscure on August 14, 2014, 01:48:28 AM
Mark Jansen interview on Blabbermouth (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/epicas-mark-jansen-speaks-to-lady-obscure-video/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)  :P

Nice, thanks for doing the interview and sharing.  I still need to get the new album, need to remember to do it this weekend before I go on another 3 week journey around the world.

Cheers matey!  :laugh:


I like the album more than the previous ones probably because of the heavier and djenty sound. But my Epica love can only get to some extend. I don't revisit it that often.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 15, 2015, 01:10:43 AM
I was just listening to Quantum Enigma again.  Has everyone grown to really appreciate this CD?  I know it took me a few listens but I really do love it.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: adace on February 15, 2015, 04:30:26 AM
I was just listening to Quantum Enigma again.  Has everyone grown to really appreciate this CD?  I know it took me a few listens but I really do love it.
I absolutely love TQE. It's my favorite Epica album alongside Design Your Universe.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 15, 2015, 04:34:22 AM
 :omg:   See, now Design Your Universe is probably my favorite.  I would love to see them live
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 15, 2015, 06:12:55 AM
I've love TQE since day one. My favorite may be the divine conspiracy but its close.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: ErHaO on February 15, 2015, 06:46:48 AM
Not a very big Epica fan, but I think the album is really good.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: The Cat Of Tuscany on February 19, 2015, 12:39:54 PM
It's definitely my favorite Epica album now.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Evermind on February 19, 2015, 12:51:45 PM
Not a very big Epica fan, but I think the album is really good.

Basically this. I'm even seeing them on tour this April, because this album was really enjoyable.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 19, 2015, 01:52:31 PM
The song In All Conscience is really beautiful and powerful.  Just came on random and thought Id note my love for that song.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Evermind on February 19, 2015, 01:53:38 PM
The song In All Conscience is really beautiful and powerful.  Just came on random and thought Id note my love for that song.

 :tup

My favourite from TQE is probably Canvas of Life, but I just love ballads, so it's not unexpected at all.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on February 19, 2015, 01:54:23 PM
I never really cared for the album, but am going to have to revisit it.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 22, 2015, 11:32:07 PM
Well tonight at work I am going to work my way through their discography. I am starting with The Phantom Agony. Cry For The Moon is one of my favorite Epica songs.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: jingle.boy on October 21, 2015, 10:10:12 PM
North American Tour announced:

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/t31.0-8/s960x960/12038627_10153750028244446_6216321234293083829_o.jpg)

Dates for the 2016 North American Enigma Tour with Moonspell and Starkill are:
01/21/16 Irving Plaza - New York, NY
01/22/16 Opera House - Toronto, ON Canada
01/23/16 Imperial Theatre - Quebec City, QC Canada
01/25/16 Agora Ballroom - Cleveland, OH
01/26/16 Diamond Pub Music Hall - Louisville, KY
01/28/16 Mill City Nights - Minneapolis, MN
01/29/16 Concord Music Hall - Chicago, IL
01/30/16 Ready Room - St Louis, MO
02/01/16 Lincoln Theatre - Raleigh, NC
02/02/16 Masquerade - Atlanta, GA
02/03/16 House Of Blues - Orlando, FL
02/4/16 - 02/8/16 70.000 tons of metal
02/9/16 Centro de Bellas Artes Luis A. Ferré - San Juan, Puerto Rico*
02/11/16 Gas Monkey Bar & Grill - Dallas*
* EPICA only

Might just take this in, being on a Friday night an all.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 22, 2015, 05:34:21 AM
Well this is the replacement tour for canceling midtour due to Simone's father's medical scare last month.  I will be trying to go to the NYC show.  I am glad to see Epica isn't giving up on N.A. after the disasters of the last tour and the attempt of the tour before that.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: goo-goo on October 22, 2015, 07:50:48 AM
Nice. I'll be going to the Dallas show. :metal
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: The Cat Of Tuscany on October 25, 2015, 05:03:20 PM
WHAT?!?!?! They're coming to my hometown?!?!?! This NEVER happens with bands I like!!!!!   :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Dr. DTVT on October 25, 2015, 05:17:42 PM
I'm going to try to go to the Orlando show, even though it is midweek.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: mrrct on December 03, 2015, 08:04:15 AM
Just picked up Consign to Oblivion on iTunes this past week.  I now have their full discography, save for rarities like The Score soundtrack and Road to Paradiso, much of which actually shows up on the bonus tracks of Consign anyway.

I consider it one of their better records.  They still play the title track, "Quietus," and "Sancta Terra" quite often, so they probably do as well.  I only had live versions of those songs off Retrospect and The Classical Conspiracy, so I was glad when this finally got (re)released in the U.S.

I agree with a lot of the posters here that Mark Jansen's growls are annoying at times, laughable at others.  I also agree with Bosk1 and others that their subject matter is usually ludicrous, particularly on Design Your Universe and The Divine Conspiracy.  Consign supposedly has to do with Mayan civilization, but it isn't so obvious that it smacks me in the face.  Maybe if I had a lyric sheet and/or could understand the choirs in particular it would be more obvious.

Their last album, The Quantum Enigma, lacked the memorable songs of some of its predecessors, and little of it will probably be played live when other albums of theirs are released, but I found it to be a pleasant listen and in a way one of their best, because I can listen to it without skipping any of the songs.  I thought that the last four or five songs were particularly pleasant (if not good), and most of them were also made into acoustic tracks on a bonus CD.

Their least favorite album of mine would be the one previous to Quantum, Requiem for the Indifferent.  There is very little memorable aside from the single, "Storm the Sorrow."
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on December 03, 2015, 08:26:12 AM
I really like Requiem and think Storm the Sorry is the least memorable from that.

I actually like all of their albums though and think thave have gotten better over time, although I think Simones vocals have gotten slightly worse. (and contrary the growls have gotten better)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 03, 2015, 09:25:19 AM
Because DTF...

1. Consign to Oblivion
2. Design Your Universe
3. The Phantom Agony
4. Requiem for the Indifferent
5. The Quantum Enigma
6. The Divine Conspiracy
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: mrrct on December 03, 2015, 10:51:15 AM
1. Consign to Oblivion (for the epic title track, "Quietus," and "Solitary Ground")
2. The Phantom Agony ("Cry for the Moon," "Feint," and the title track are exceptional)
3. The Divine Conspiracy (mainly for "Sancta Terra" and "Never Enough," their only attempt at a crossover hit)
4. The Quantum Enigma (very solid but unspectacular; "Unchain Utopia" and the last 3-4 tracks)
5. Design Your Universe  (strong combo in "Unleashed" and "Martyr of the Free World"; "Kingdom of Heaven" also highly regarded)
6. Requiem for the Indifferent (mostly dull IMHO; "Twin Flames" reminds me of those overblown Oscars performances; monotonous interludes)

It should be noted that none of these albums are bad, at least if you like the genre (Symphonic Metal with Progressive undertones).  As a whole the band is superior to recent, Disney-Nightwish, full-on pop-mode Within Temptation, or After Forever, the band that Epica spun off from.  More grunting than their competitors, less popish than all, maybe a little less progressive than middle-period After Forever.  Simone is maybe a little less talented than Tarja or Floor, comparable to Sharon (though more polished), but more than Anette or Charlotte from Delain.  None of the guitarists in the genre are really virtuosos, but Ad and later Isaac are more than good enough, with Mark contributing as the main writer.  The second drummer, Arjien, is more of a basher than the orginal, Jeroen.  Neither bassist, Yves or Rob, really stand out.  I actually like their keyboardist Coen better than most of his competitors in the field because he isn't as overbearing as Holopainen or Spierenburg, although it may be because they want to be more guitar-driven.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: gazinwales on December 03, 2015, 12:23:52 PM
TQE is prob my fave Epica, not a dud track and when I saw them perform live last year, these songs really came to life.

I don't mind Mark's grunts at all, in fact I bought both his side project albums, Mayan
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on December 03, 2015, 01:50:46 PM
Its tough to rank these albums, they are a very consistent band IMO.  I also said they are getting better as they go, but thats not reflective in my album rankings, but that was meant as in overall as a band I feel like theyve gotten better over time.

The Divine Conspiracy
The Quantum Enigma
Consign to Oblivion
Requiem for the Indifferent
The Phantom Agony
Design Your Universe

That could completely change on any day, but I do think Divine Conspiracy is my favorite overall
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: metrojam on December 03, 2015, 02:18:41 PM
TQE is prob my fave Epica, not a dud track and when I saw them perform live last year, these songs really came to life.

I don't mind Mark's grunts at all, in fact I bought both his side project albums, Mayan

Agree about TQE, its their best by far, i.m.o., love every song on it and was my favourite release of 2014. Seen them live many times and they never fail to deliver the goods. Deserve to be much bigger than they are.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on December 03, 2015, 02:44:37 PM
TQE is prob my fave Epica, not a dud track and when I saw them perform live last year, these songs really came to life.

I don't mind Mark's grunts at all, in fact I bought both his side project albums, Mayan

Agree about TQE, its their best by far, i.m.o., love every song on it and was my favourite release of 2014. Seen them live many times and they never fail to deliver the goods. Deserve to be much bigger than they are.

If only they don't cancel the US tour again.... I would really love to see them, just hasn't worked out for different reasons each time.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: mrrct on December 03, 2015, 03:37:36 PM
TQE is prob my fave Epica, not a dud track and when I saw them perform live last year, these songs really came to life.

I don't mind Mark's grunts at all, in fact I bought both his side project albums, Mayan

Agree about TQE, its their best by far, i.m.o., love every song on it and was my favourite release of 2014. Seen them live many times and they never fail to deliver the goods. Deserve to be much bigger than they are.

If only they don't cancel the US tour again.... I would really love to see them, just hasn't worked out for different reasons each time.

First Simone fell ill with MRSA in 2008, so they had Amanda Somerville fill in for her that tour.  I think their next couple of tours were fairly normal for DYU and RFTI.  The touring cycle for TQE has been a disaster, at least in America.  First, they were booked third on a bill behind Machine Head and Children of Bodom in venues they were able to headline themselves two years prior.  Then, Machine Head cancelled the tour at the eleventh hour, claiming they wanted to finish their album, though I wouldn't be surprised if ticket sales were slow with this weird conglomeration of bands that probably didn't have a lot of crossover between fans.  They then set up another American tour a year later, in which the keyboardist sat out because his wife was ill, and then they ended up dropping out when Simone's father fell ill himself.  They are making up the dates this winter.  I hope their next album cycle they have better luck in the U.S.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on December 03, 2015, 03:44:35 PM
Yea, so much shit has happened to them when they try to tour the US.  And for me, the last time they DID play in the NYC area it was the night before my sisters wedding so I couldn't go.  Id like to go this time, but I may have to travel for work during that time.  >:(
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 23, 2016, 08:23:14 PM
So finally saw them this past Thursday night. It was their first show in the make up make up tour "The North American Enigma Tour" A fairly standard set for the band and they performed very well.  The most notable thing about his concert was the crowd.  At least 40% women (makes sense for more females, but I'd say that was more than Nightwish or Within Temptation).  There was a very large pit for most of the show which was fine, and even fun when I joined for short spurts.  When I got close, in front of the pit but behind the front barrier folks was when things got interesting. 

First, I was rocking out pretty hard, but within my own space and there was pushing and moving as normal with a pit.  Twice, I noticed this one girl moved out of her way just to push me.  First time I didn't think much, second time I knew she was pissed at me.  Maybe I figured I bumped into her, I didn't know, but I looked her right in the eye and said "don't take it personally" and she definitely heard me and immediately turned around and walked away  :lol so then later I moved close to the front and next to her guy, who was taller and a well built dude.  I wouldn't of known it was her dude, but she put her arm out around her guy and pushed me off him.  That's when I looked over and saw her whisper into his ear and then he turned into a tree. Stood so still and firm and would not budge as me or other people bumped into him with the crowd.  After another song I was able to squeeze in front of him and I think he realized I was just rocking out and within the groove of the crowd so he relaxed his branches.  Turned into no big deal, but was just so funny how people react.

Then, during the encore, the pit formed essentially a human launch pad.  They set up a way for people to run, jump, then be launched into the air, and be carried by the people in the front as crowd surfers to the barrier.  It was funny, but then became non stop.  I said it was a lot of females at the show, the crowd surfers were half women, but also the people up front were a large part women who couldn't hold the people up.  This one guy and myself just got into a rhythm of going low to catch peolpe then lifting and launching them into the bouncers at the barrier.  We were high fiving and fake lateral pressing as we just did a huge upper body work out launching people.  After the song, Simone asked to stop the crowd surfing. 

Well before I even got there, I had an insane cab ride (where the driver cut everyone off, yelled at them, and honked his horn at least 50 times) then I made my own video of my clips from the show, then added someone else's full video just to show when Simone asks to stop:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIH9Q30SL0E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIH9Q30SL0E)
https://youtu.be/3vsA5Mtl80M (https://youtu.be/3vsA5Mtl80M)
https://youtu.be/DRf-JRUkRgU?t=1h29m1s (https://youtu.be/DRf-JRUkRgU?t=1h29m1s)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 23, 2016, 08:44:43 PM
Nice videos man.   :lol 

One day, I'll have to tell you about my cab ride in Atlantic City.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 23, 2016, 09:03:21 PM
The last Epica album I heard was The Phantom Agony. I really liked the band, but for some weird reason I lost interest and stopped following them. What nice stuff have they released since then that's worth checking out?
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 23, 2016, 09:53:41 PM
Just check them all out.  They all have amazing moments. You can use YouTube to check them out or Spotify if you have it.

Consign to Oblivion
The Divine Conspiracy
Design Your Universe
Requiem for the Indifferent
The Quantum Enigma
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 23, 2016, 10:57:05 PM
I like their newest The Quantum Enigma and The Divine Conspiracy as my favorites
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: The Cat Of Tuscany on March 24, 2016, 06:06:41 PM
Apparently Epica has a lot of songs for their new album:

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/epicas-mark-jansen-on-next-album-we-are-in-a-luxurious-position-that-we-have-way-too-many-songs/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/epicas-mark-jansen-on-next-album-we-are-in-a-luxurious-position-that-we-have-way-too-many-songs/)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: jakepriest on March 24, 2016, 06:17:28 PM
I used to listen to the first two Epica albums a lot back during 2008-2009, but I haven't really touched the band since except for the Unchain Utopia single (which I loved). I'm gonna try and get back into them once I finish going through all the DT albums. Do you guys reckon I should go chronologically or start with the newest album?
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: ronnibran on March 24, 2016, 06:27:37 PM
Their newest album is the first album I ever tried out and I LOVED it.  I bought their greatest hits at a good cost from amazon next and it blew me away.  I still listen to that very regularly.  Epica is a great band, looking forward to their new album.  My favorite Epica song is Design Your Universe.  Definitely check that song out.

I never check out bands chronologically, I actually probably do reverse chronologically usually. (not that there's anything wrong with the other way)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: The Cat Of Tuscany on March 25, 2016, 03:05:55 PM
I used to listen to the first two Epica albums a lot back during 2008-2009, but I haven't really touched the band since except for the Unchain Utopia single (which I loved). I'm gonna try and get back into them once I finish going through all the DT albums. Do you guys reckon I should go chronologically or start with the newest album?
My personal favorite is easily their debut album, The Phantom Agony.  It's a good starting point.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on May 27, 2016, 03:43:06 PM
Is it just me, or does Serenade of Self-Destruction at times sound way too upbeat, given the subject matter?
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: adace on May 31, 2016, 08:09:16 PM
(https://assets.blabbermouth.net.s3.amazonaws.com/media/epicaholographiccd_638.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyc2shVctMI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyc2shVctMI)

QE is an amazing record so I'm super stoked to hear this one. Can't wait!!
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on May 31, 2016, 11:48:09 PM
Should be good, but I'm hoping they start to branch out or try new things. They're sounding really samey for a few records now.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 01, 2016, 05:12:01 AM
Looking forward to some new Epica. Adami is right, though. They should do something different, maybe revamp the sound a bit.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 01, 2016, 07:06:16 AM
Im excited for a new album, I loved the last release.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: adace on June 03, 2016, 02:04:56 PM
(https://assets.blabbermouth.net.s3.amazonaws.com/media/epicaholographiccdofficial.jpg)

Really beautiful cover.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2016, 02:13:04 PM
I really like it as well, cover art means very little to me, but I'm a sucker for spacey art.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Big Hath on June 03, 2016, 02:23:21 PM
I'm a sucker for spacey art.

like this?

(https://www.escapeintolife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/kevin-spacey.jpg)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 03, 2016, 02:24:20 PM
 :lol

That's a bit of a different cover for Epica. It could mean something different with the music, too.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2016, 02:29:19 PM
 :rollin

:lol

That's a bit of a different cover for Epica. It could mean something different with the music, too.

I feel like its both similar and different and I think you may be onto something, they mentioned in an IG post about this album being somewhat different, but I don't put too much into that as a lot of bands say something similar before new albums are released.  They have also said they had an abundance of songs for this album and I think it may be their longest in terms of album length, but that also increases the chance of some different types of songs.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 03, 2016, 02:53:12 PM
With so many songs written, that could also mean bonus tracks and whatnot.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2016, 03:15:23 PM
With so many songs written, that could also mean bonus tracks and whatnot.

Definitely expect that, as well as acoustic songs.  I believe those were confirmed from an IG post as well, the pic was Cohen playing his accordion again iirc.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 03, 2016, 03:38:40 PM
Maybe by the end of the summer we'll have a new track to listen to.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2016, 03:43:14 PM
Maybe by the end of the summer we'll have a new track to listen to.

I'd think so too.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on June 03, 2016, 03:56:28 PM
:lol

That's a bit of a different cover for Epica. It could mean something different with the music, too.

Maybe Mark finally stopped growling. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2016, 03:57:51 PM
:lol

That's a bit of a different cover for Epica. It could mean something different with the music, too.

Maybe Mark finally stopped growling. Fingers crossed.

One can only wish...
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on June 03, 2016, 04:27:58 PM
I still regularly dig on Retrospect.  And it is so good, so long, and so..."completely" that I never really feel like I need any other Epica.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: ronnibran on June 21, 2016, 06:28:20 PM
Epica...  Another one of the many bands that I like.   News about the new album: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/epica-the-holographic-principle-track-listing-album-concept-revealed/

I'm excited! I still need to collect all of their albums.  I only have two albums plus a greatest hits.  Great stuff, this is definitely going to be a release day buy. 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: The Cat Of Tuscany on June 25, 2016, 04:48:53 PM
Ooh, nice!  One thing I notice from the track list is that there doesn't appear to be an interlude, contrary to their usual style.  I'm very excited, though!
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: gazinwales on June 25, 2016, 05:08:49 PM
:lol

That's a bit of a different cover for Epica. It could mean something different with the music, too.

Maybe Mark finally stopped growling. Fingers crossed.

I hope not.
He an essential part of the Epica sound and style.
The more growls thew better I say  ;D
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 25, 2016, 06:30:56 PM
I think Epica should move past the growls. I don't feel it's needed. I think using dual vocals is ideal if there are conflicting lyrical passages that need to shown as separate. The growling just for the sake of it is unnecessary in Epica.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: ronnibran on June 26, 2016, 03:26:48 PM
I'm with gazinwales on this one - the more growls the better!  That said, I understand that we all have different tastes.  And at the end of the day, I will enjoy the new album equally whether it has a lot, or no growls.  Whatever fits the songs, and I'm sure Epica won't disappoint.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: gazinwales on June 27, 2016, 12:37:09 AM
I also enjoy Mark's growls in his side band Mayan, where he is the lead vocalist.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on June 27, 2016, 12:39:12 AM
I'm fine with growls in Epica, and it looks like someone else is doing growls with him, based on what I can hear.

Mark is just not a great growler. He's getting better, but he's still a pretty mediocre growler. Beyond that, the growling is usually extremely redundant. If you look at the "rhythms" or whatever he is growling, they are often super similar to each other.

I think if they layered the growls a bit more and really varied up his delivery and how he writes, it would be better. Then again, variety in general would really help Epica.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: gazinwales on June 27, 2016, 12:54:46 AM
Mayan - War On Terror
https://youtu.be/BhBeb3ZMyow
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on June 27, 2016, 12:57:49 AM
Mayan - War On Terror
https://youtu.be/BhBeb3ZMyow

Yup, I feel the exact same way about his growls there.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 07:51:45 AM
I always figured the growls gave Epica a "beauty and the beast" type of feel.  I think it's worked mostly... but the growls themselves are just not good.  If they had a better growler, then it would be much better.  So having said that, I would be fine without them, but if they are there then I just wish they were done better.... and I think over time they have been done better.  The growls are significantly better on the newer vs older albums IMO.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on June 27, 2016, 09:33:02 AM
Mark's growls and screams are just as much a part of their signature sound as Simone is, IMO.  I have no problem with him doing his thing.  But I noticed on the Retrospect DVD that Isaac is doing some too, and I think he sounds great.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 11:14:40 AM
Mark's growls and screams are just as much a part of their signature sound as Simone is, IMO.  I have no problem with him doing his thing.  But I noticed on the Retrospect DVD that Isaac is doing some too, and I think he sounds great.

Yea, I think Isaac is much better.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 27, 2016, 11:44:57 AM
New single Universal Death Squad will be released this Friday!  :metal
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on July 27, 2016, 11:55:01 AM
New single Universal Death Squad will be released this Friday!  :metal

:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :jamaritard: :jamaritard: :jamaritard: :jamaritard:
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: adace on July 29, 2016, 12:12:11 PM
And it's up! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_Ys_W7ySkM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_Ys_W7ySkM)

Kickass song :metal
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 29, 2016, 12:22:55 PM
 :metal :metal

Not bad at all.  Think I'll be loving it after a few listens.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 29, 2016, 12:27:28 PM
Impressive. I liked it a lot.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Luoto on July 29, 2016, 12:46:55 PM
The mix is terrible, as far as that video clip goes. Guitars are way too loud and completely drown any emotional highs the music could potentially have.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on July 29, 2016, 12:54:52 PM
I like it so far. I'll have to give it a few more listens though. Gods, I love Simone.  :heart
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 29, 2016, 12:56:26 PM
Gods, I love Simone.  :heart

Yup, easily my favorite female vocalist. 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on July 29, 2016, 01:03:00 PM
Gods, I love Simone.  :heart

Yup, easily my favorite female vocalist.

For me, it's a toss up between her and Sharon from Within Temptation. Plus there's Sarah Brightman. So many women...so little time.  ;)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on July 29, 2016, 01:04:22 PM
Gods, I love Simone.  :heart

Yup, easily my favorite female vocalist.

As far as non-screaming types go, I'd put her below Anneke and Floor. But she's very very good.


Also, cool song. Not terribly memorable but I did like that they tried some new things with the orchestra/keyboards.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on July 29, 2016, 01:06:30 PM
Anneke is up there, too.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 29, 2016, 01:13:18 PM
Gods, I love Simone.  :heart

Yup, easily my favorite female vocalist.

As far as non-screaming types go, I'd put her below Anneke and Floor. But she's very very good.


Also, cool song. Not terribly memorable but I did like that they tried some new things with the orchestra/keyboards.

Those two are up there as well.  I just love simone's voice.  I actually don't really listen to any screaming females so I can't compare to those.

I'm actually really excited to see Anneke live for the first time this fall. I've seen Floor and Simone before.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: jakepriest on July 29, 2016, 01:15:39 PM
Don't really like this new song that much. There are some pretty good guitar riffs but I'm not digging the vocal harmonies at all.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 29, 2016, 01:20:26 PM
Don't really like this new song that much. There are some pretty good guitar riffs but I'm not digging the vocal harmonies at all.

I think the vocal harmodies are a bit odd as well, that's why I think it'll take a few listens before I start to love it. The music is fantastic though and the harmonies I just need to get used to I think.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Evermind on July 29, 2016, 01:34:01 PM
This was actually really good, I liked it a lot. Looking forward to that album and maybe catching them on tour again. Really enjoyed their show last time they played in Russia.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 29, 2016, 01:39:04 PM
This was actually really good, I liked it a lot. Looking forward to that album and maybe catching them on tour again. Really enjoyed their show last time they played in Russia.

Yea, Im thinking I'll catch them again when they come to NYC (Already announced this show), assuming it doesn't get cancelled.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Ninjabait on July 29, 2016, 02:42:49 PM
I'm kind of mixed about the new song, tbh. The orchestration and keyboards have some really interesting parts and Simone rocked it as usual, but some of the guitar parts were a little eh and I wasn't a fan of the mix overall at times. The lyrics were a little cheesy at times too. It may grow on me yet, but so far it's in the same boat as "Unchain Utopia" as a song that's pretty good but far outclassed by other things in their discography. Doesn't really sway me either way in regards to my excitement for the album, though.

Also, I am TOTALLY digging the video. It looks like they're having so much fun playing the song and really enjoying themselves! Their energy in the video is super infectious, and I am liking the cut-aways between the band playing and Simone in that weird futuristic get-up.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 29, 2016, 03:01:44 PM
Yes!! That's one thing I noticed as well, the smiling in the video.  I really really dig when a band is performing and smiling, it just gives off the feeling that they love playing this music.  It's not so normal in a music video either so that was really cool to see!
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on July 29, 2016, 03:18:37 PM
Yes!! That's one thing I noticed as well, the smiling in the video.  I really really dig when a band is performing and smiling, it just gives off the feeling that they love playing this music.  It's not so normal in a music video either so that was really cool to see!

Then you're going to love seeing Anneke.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 29, 2016, 03:25:08 PM
Yes!! That's one thing I noticed as well, the smiling in the video.  I really really dig when a band is performing and smiling, it just gives off the feeling that they love playing this music.  It's not so normal in a music video either so that was really cool to see!

Then you're going to love seeing Anneke.

Oh I am already awaiting that smile, I watch enough on youtube  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Ninjabait on July 29, 2016, 03:27:42 PM
Yeah, unfortunately, it's not that common in music. Amusingly, I find jazz players tend to smile the most and classical players tend to smile less, at least when playing live. Which kind of fits, tbh, because jazz tends to be more "casual and free" while classical tends to be more "serious and structured". Always amused me.

And, more on subject, I stumbled upon two "making of" videos (with a third on the way, apparently) they did for The Holographic Principle. There's a few snippets of the songs (I do believe) so spoilers, but it's still really interesting stuff:
Part 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBUM5RvjN7M)
Part 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzqHyRu1oSc)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on July 31, 2016, 11:10:09 AM
Gods, I love Simone.  :heart

Yup, easily my favorite female vocalist.

As far as non-screaming types go, I'd put her below Anneke and Floor. But she's very very good.


Also, cool song. Not terribly memorable but I did like that they tried some new things with the orchestra/keyboards.

Those two are up there as well.  I just love simone's voice.  I actually don't really listen to any screaming females so I can't compare to those.

I'm actually really excited to see Anneke live for the first time this fall. I've seen Floor and Simone before.

I completely forgot another one of my favorites who has flown under the radar for the most part because she doesn't always provide lead vocals - Lee Douglas from Anathema. Just listen to her vocals on A Natural Disaster on the A Sort of Homecoming DVD. She has this amazing power that she barely touches on and in that one song she even gives it a bluesy sound. Beautiful!
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: adace on August 28, 2016, 07:45:03 PM
30-second samples from the new album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SbmeC_OOYo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SbmeC_OOYo)

Sounds fantastic :tup
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on August 28, 2016, 07:54:54 PM
First sample: Sounds.....like typical Epica. Hopefully this isn't what the rest of the album sounds like, it's all going to blur together to me.
Second sample: Much better! Different feel, some new energy.
Third sample: Back to typical Epica
Fourth sample: Liking it, a bit different.
Fifth sample: Pretty
Sixth sample: More typical Epica
Seventh sample: Hm, not totally typical, different a little.
Eighth sample: Not bad, need to hear it in context of the song.
Ninth sample: More typical Epica :(
Tenth sample: Pretty, a bit obvious, but still pretty, obviously a tiny section of a much longer song.

All in all, a bit disappointed with how much typical Epica stuff there is, but looking forward to when they veer off.

I should note that when I say typical Epica, I just meant that it all blurs together for me. I honestly can't tell most of the songs from the last 3 or so albums apart. You could make a mix album and I'd have no idea they're from different albums. It sounds fine and pleasant, but it's just like a factory produced it.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: adace on September 08, 2016, 04:34:04 PM
Edge of the Blade music video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_QLQHkj1XU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_QLQHkj1XU)

Pretty similar to their other tracks but still awesome. Can't wait for the new album!
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: adace on September 28, 2016, 01:21:06 AM
Beyond the Matrix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tTFsm10Z1k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tTFsm10Z1k)

Loving these songs. This is shaping up to be one of my favorite releases this year.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on October 04, 2016, 09:11:48 AM
Thus far, I am not liking this album very much.  Initial impressions are that it reminds me a lot of Tarja's solo material, the two major weaknesses of which are: (1) vocals sound thin and lack power, and (2) music sounds overly processed.  That said, it is still early and I am still digesting things.  This is only my first listen-through, and I am nowhere near to shelving it yet, so my opinion could still change drastically.  But my initial, knee-jerk reaction is that I do not like it nearly as much as their earlier material.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: The Cat Of Tuscany on October 12, 2016, 03:02:09 PM
I'm really enjoying this album!  I'd say it's probably my second favorite, after The Phantom Agony.  My favorite tracks right now are 'Beyond The Matrix,' 'Edge Of The Blade,' and 'Once Upon A Nightmare.'
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 12, 2016, 03:03:19 PM
I still need to get this.  Been digging the new Delain too much to start sinking my teeth into this, but I will... soon.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on October 14, 2016, 11:18:26 AM
I am really digging the bonus disk.  The main one is starting to click as well.  There are definitely some songs I don't care for at this early stage.  But some are really starting to fall into place.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on November 08, 2016, 09:51:02 AM
Finally got a few listens in and am really digging this album.  Need more listens for a thorough review, but also to add on what Bosk said, the second disc with the acoustic songs is amazing.  It boggles my mind how harsh and heavy this band can be and then do some funky acoustic stuff as well.  Their acoustic bonus tracks are starting to add up as well, soon they will have an album worth of material like that alone. (maybe they already do actually).

Also, I think this is the best sounding harsh vocals too.  I actually don't hate them and in some parts when he harmonizes the screams with simone I actually get hard.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on November 30, 2016, 11:14:02 AM
So I have been having trouble putting this album down.  It's really grown on me and may become my favorite Epica album.  It's just really strong all around.  I'm really excited to see them Friday night, the set looks very heavy on the new material which is perfect.  I'm still having a hard time even ranking the songs cause there is so much depth and consistency to the album.  I also keep coming back to the acoustic tracks.  The Funky Algorithm is one of the best things Epica have done IMO.  So versatile.  :metal :metal
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on December 01, 2016, 01:38:36 AM
The album is growing on me. I think it's definitely better than the previous release. The Cosmic Algorithm is a good song. The rhythm is one of the more proggier sounds I've heard by them. I'm partial to Once Upon A Nightmare and Edge of the Blade.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on December 01, 2016, 08:52:58 AM
The album is growing on me. I think it's definitely better than the previous release. The Cosmic Algorithm is a good song. The rhythm is one of the more proggier sounds I've heard by them. I'm partial to Once Upon A Nightmare and Edge of the Blade.

Yea all three songs are great.  Beyond the Matrix is a killer sing a long track too, love the soft spot with Simone on that one too :heart
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on December 04, 2016, 08:49:04 AM
Someone has an Epica bootleg up on Dime called Making America Epic Again.  :lol
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on December 04, 2016, 11:00:52 AM
Someone has an Epica bootleg up on Dime called Making America Epic Again.  :lol

They've been using that hashtag all tour for promotion.  The concert on Friday was AWESOME.  Such a blast.  They performed so well and the crowd was really into it.  The set was mostly new stuff and it went over really well with the crowd. 

My video of Once Upon a Nightmare (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w3PQwOOL7E)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on December 04, 2016, 12:16:26 PM
Thanks for the video. I almost went to the show but I was exhausted. To see Simone up close...  :heart
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on December 05, 2016, 08:51:24 AM
Girl can sing.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on January 20, 2017, 02:42:13 PM
I know I said it just a few posts above, but the bonus disk really is outstanding.  It is so much better than the typical "acoustic bonus disk" that artists sometimes tack onto albums (and not that those are bad).  They really did some fun, original things with these songs. 

As for the album itself, not sure if anyone else here follows them closely enough to know whether the band has commented on this anywhere, but I was wondering to myself if perhaps the different sound on this one is largely due to Isaac's influence.  Anyone know?
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 20, 2017, 03:20:42 PM
Not sure, I don't really follow them that closely to answer that, but I don't find the sound to be terribly different.  To me it felt like a continued evolution from the last couple albums so while it sounds quite different from The Phantom Agony, I don't think it sounds much different than The Quantum Enigma.  But I am totally with you on the bonus disc.  It's so good and unique since they didn't just do a straight out acoustic version of the song, but actually changed the dynamics and the overall feel for the songs.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 18, 2017, 05:06:13 AM
Epica have become one of my Top 10 bands. I've been listening to them a lot lately. I think the new album is amazing. They release and album almost every two years. You would think by now they'd show signs of slowing down, but I think with this new album they took it in a different direction. You can hear more prog elements to it. It's definitely better than the previous two albums.

I was wondering how old Simone was because she looks really young. Since the band's beginning she has used those amazing operatic vocals. It winds up she was just 17 when they were working on The Phantom Agony. I think that to have that power and ability with your voice at such a young age is phenomenal. She has improved over the years. Even her live performances have been nothing short of outstanding. I remember watching some older bootlegs and I sensed an awkwardness on stage for her, almost like she was trying to break out of this introverted shell. Watching Retrospect was a whole different world. She's a pleasure to watch - obviously for multiple reasons.

I am painstakingly trying to locate their first demo, when they were known as Sahara Dust. I believe it was a two tracks including Cry for the Moon. If anyone happens to come across it, please let me know. It's not on Discogs and that was my best bet because they have almost everything.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 18, 2017, 07:06:24 AM
Yea, The Holographic Principle is a bit more proggy than the last couple albums. I think it's their best overall.  I love how the band gave it a good tour too including most of the album live.  They got one more European leg and I guess they take a break before a new album?  They've been very consistent over the years. 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on April 18, 2017, 07:44:39 AM
The ONLY problem with Retrospect is that the lighting was just horrible for a video and makes it almost unwatchable in parts.  Otherwise, A+.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 18, 2017, 08:36:37 AM
The ONLY problem with Retrospect is that the lighting was just horrible for a video and makes it almost unwatchable in parts.  Otherwise, A+.

YEAHHHHHH I like the color blue, but I feel like smurf jerked off all over the screen. Messssy.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 18, 2017, 09:33:04 AM
This is the direction I want Dream Theater to get back to. The heaviness of Train of Thought (but not as dark) with the symphonic element of Images and Words.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on April 18, 2017, 09:45:18 AM
I wouldn't describe Images & Words as having "symphonic elements" at all.  If anything, I think the two most recent DT albums have the most symphonic elements of any of their releases.  I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on April 18, 2017, 09:47:56 AM
I wouldn't describe Images & Words as having "symphonic elements" at all.  If anything, I think the two most recent DT albums have the most symphonic elements of any of their releases.  I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say.

Yea, I agree.

Also agree about Retrospect. Tough to watch. I really wish they made their Classical Conspiracy thing a DVD.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on April 18, 2017, 09:52:53 AM
I like the performance on Retrospect better than the one on Classical Conspiracy.  Not that there's anything wrong with the latter, but I REALLY like Retrospect.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 18, 2017, 10:00:32 AM
I wouldn't describe Images & Words as having "symphonic elements" at all.  If anything, I think the two most recent DT albums have the most symphonic elements of any of their releases.  I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say.

Yeah, I don't know why I used Images and Words as an example of symphonic. TA is certainly their most "symphonic" sounding album but it's nowhere near as prevalent as it is in Epica or Rhapsody. Can I rewind the last few minutes and start over?   ;)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on April 18, 2017, 10:04:36 AM
:lol  Sure.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on April 18, 2017, 10:32:50 AM
That March of the Emperor from Star Wars on Retrospect was fantastic.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 18, 2017, 10:42:06 AM
:lol  Sure.

It probably would have been easier to say Awake with more keyboards. :lol
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on April 18, 2017, 11:31:56 AM
That March of the Emperor from Star Wars on Retrospect was fantastic.

I think The Imperial March on Retrospect was abridged right? I know they did the whole version on Classical Conspiracy.

I think I also prefer the audio mix on Classical Conspiracy too.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 18, 2017, 11:51:48 AM
The Imperial March on Classical Conspiracy is shorter I believe. Though on Retrospect it's combined with Battle of the Heroes. It might actually work out to be the same time if you split the Retrospect track.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 18, 2017, 11:58:42 AM
Retrospect has more Epica songs so I prefer that.  The lights on the blu-ray shining into the cameras is pretty bad and makes it less enjoyable on the eyes, but hardly takes away from my overal viewing/listening pleasure.  It's still a top notch concert.

I'd love for them to release another concert.  They already have a lot of new material to use plus backlogs of songs never released live.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Grappler on April 18, 2017, 12:04:10 PM
Have loved them since Divine Conspiracy, though for some reason I never bought Requiem for the Indifferent.

I think I prefer Quantum Enigma to Holographic Principle, though I haven't listened to the latter much since it came out.  Need to rectify that, immediately.   :metal
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on April 18, 2017, 12:26:01 PM
The Imperial March on Classical Conspiracy is shorter I believe. Though on Retrospect it's combined with Battle of the Heroes. It might actually work out to be the same time if you split the Retrospect track.

Not sure about time length, I just meant that I think they played the Imperial March in full on CC, and did an abridged version on Retrospect since it was combined with Battle.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 18, 2017, 12:32:58 PM
Well, on CC it's 3 and a half minutes. On Retrospect, the two songs combined are six and a half minutes. I don't know how long Imperial March is supposed to be. If on CC it's played in full, and it's 3 and a half minutes, then it could be played in full on Retrospect. I don't know where the cut-off is between that and Battle.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 18, 2017, 12:34:14 PM
These are really awesome. I would need them in XL though. They have other designs, but these are my favorite.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EPICA-The-Holographic-Principle-T-Shirt-100-Polyester-Full-Print-/182447621645?var=&hash=item2a7ab9c60d:m:m3m_uGzqk3u2WjVBkb538Ig

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EPICA-The-Divine-Conspiracy-T-Shirt-100-Polyester-L-Full-Print-/182505771796?hash=item2a7e311314:g:aBkAAOSwjDZYmkvo

Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on April 19, 2017, 09:06:18 AM
Have loved them since Divine Conspiracy, though for some reason I never bought Requiem for the Indifferent.

I think I prefer Quantum Enigma to Holographic Principle, though I haven't listened to the latter much since it came out.  Need to rectify that, immediately.   :metal

I'm completely the opposite on Quantum Enigma vs. Holographic Principle.  I bought Quantum Enigma when it came out, listened a few times, and just kind of forgot about it.  No real reason.  It just didn't really grab me.  I think a lot of that might have to do with the fact that Retrospect had come out not long before, and when I wanted my Epica fix, Retrospect was still my go-to (it still is, for the most part).  I guess the thing for me is, I wouldn't really call myself a hard core fan.  They aren't a band I have followed all that closely.  But I have come to like their sound.  Retrospect is perfect because it's such a great collection of songs and such a great performance.  But in terms of individual studio albums, Quantum Enigma did little to make me stand up and take notice of individual songs, so it quickly faded. 

I bought Holographic Principle on release and didn't really care for it on first listen.  But a big part of the reason I didn't like it turned into a positive over the long run.  It sounded different.  This is probably the first album of theirs where I have noticed a marked change in sound from them, and it kind of threw me at first.  But after revisiting, the individual songs really took on a life of their own, and each song definitely has a unique identity, which I feel had been missing from a lot of their material in recent years.  And the OUTSTANDING acoustic bonus disk was a huge plus as well.

I didn't buy Design Your Universe or Requiem.  But to my ears, those two albums and Quantum Enigma just sounded kind of samey.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.  But as someone who is maybe just a bit more than a casual fan, there just wasn't enough there to pull me in.  So Quantum Enigma just sat on the shelf.  Honestly, I forgot I even had it until your post, which made me go to my CD shelf and pull it out to bring to work and listen to it this morning.  I ripped it to the work computer, so I will likely be listening to it a lot more now.  And these guys are kind of "trending up" for me.  I've been noticing myself wanting to listen to them a bit more, and wanting to reach outside of what I have on the computer here.  So I can see myself expanding my Epica collection in the not-too-distant future.  (I presently only have The Divine Conspiracy, The Classical Conspiracy, Retrospect, The Quantum Enigma, and The Holographic Principle)  But we'll see.  These guys are kind of a challenging band for me in that lyrics are generally an important part of the picture for me, and I disagree vehemently with where they are coming from philosophically in a lot of their lyrics.  That isn't as hard to reconcile when I am just enjoying them as background music during the workday.  But as I get more actively engaged with their songs, it may become an issue.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 19, 2017, 09:18:20 AM
I honestly don't think Epica has a bad album in their catalogue.  You can sense a progression in their sound and style as time went on, I just think they were slowly headed towards a more mainstream sound, losing the operatic vocals and some of the progressiveness and then Holographic Principle seems to have brought some of that back, not so much the operatic vocals of Simone, I think those are mostly gone as her voice has changed over time, but the progressiveness came back a lot more on this album.  Also, I just think the songs are better individually... plus the growls actually sound good on this album.  His vocals have gotten better over time, but I never enjoyed them, this is the first album I actually like them.  Divide and Conquer may be my favorite song on the album.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on April 19, 2017, 09:22:48 AM
... plus the growls actually sound good on this album.  His vocals have gotten better over time, but I never enjoyed them, this is the first album I actually like them. 

But aren't a lot of the growls on this album done by Isaac and not Mark?  I don't know that Mark's style has changed much.  I think it's just a factor of him taking on less and less vocals and giving them more and more to Isaac since Isaac joined.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 19, 2017, 09:33:43 AM
... plus the growls actually sound good on this album.  His vocals have gotten better over time, but I never enjoyed them, this is the first album I actually like them. 

But aren't a lot of the growls on this album done by Isaac and not Mark?  I don't know that Mark's style has changed much.  I think it's just a factor of him taking on less and less vocals and giving them more and more to Isaac since Isaac joined.

Im actually not sure how it's done on the album, but they sound mostly by Mark and complimented by Isaac, I also think that's how it was performed live, but I am not positive on that.   Wikipedia doesn't list Isaac as a vocalist on the album, but I think that's incorrect.  Also, I am surprised to see wikipedia says Marcela Bovio does backing vocals on all songs.   Maybe that's why i also enjoy this album  :lol
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on April 19, 2017, 09:37:48 AM
On Retrospect, it seemed like Isaac had the growls on more of the newer songs.  And a lot of the growls on the last two albums sound like what I heard him doing on Retrospect where I could see that it was him.  So that is what I am judging from.  But it is entirely possible that I am mistaken.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 19, 2017, 09:47:07 AM
I thought Isaac does the screams and Mark does the growls, but I honestly don't know this for a fact, that was just my interpretation and I can only recall Mark doing most of the singing live last time I saw them, but my memory is fuzzy. 

Bottom line though, the growls sound much better on this album regardless of who's doing what and it makes the album a lot better IMO.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 19, 2017, 08:46:43 PM
According to the liner notes, Mark does the "grunts" according to the main band list, but Arien is listed as doing additional grunts under guest musicians. Yes, Marcela Bovio does backing vocals.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on April 20, 2017, 01:19:59 AM
Funny.l remember watching the video for Cry for the Moon back in the day and thinking 'what the hell is this?' I liked the music but the addition of the choir looked creepy as hell.

Awesome band though.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 20, 2017, 01:22:29 PM
From Epica's FB today:

Quote
USA & CANADA! Something pretty exciting is about to happen. What could it be... :)

(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/s960x960/17990630_10154216121037924_7950276226483975251_o.jpg?oh=96d1050e1711d7941fe0c9e93c0d5e26&oe=5990919E)

 :metal :metal
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on April 20, 2017, 01:33:29 PM
I AM SO ALL OVER THAT!!!   :omg: :metal :caffeine: :letam: :panicattack: :2metal: :dangerwillrobinson:  :eek
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on April 20, 2017, 01:56:24 PM
I AM SO ALL OVER THAT!!!   :omg: :metal :caffeine: :letam: :panicattack: :2metal: :dangerwillrobinson:  :eek

Same here!



And I'll also go to the show.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on April 20, 2017, 02:04:21 PM
I AM SO ALL OVER THAT!!!   :omg: :metal :caffeine: :letam: :panicattack: :2metal: :dangerwillrobinson:  :eek

Same here!



And I'll also go to the show.

Sweet!  Once the dates are released, I will clear the calendar and make up the bed in the guest room for you.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 24, 2017, 11:09:04 AM
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/p960x960/18055893_10154222487702924_6080803056379652140_o.jpg?oh=01ee3405f2c86c2022fef426f7f85961&oe=5992D0F2)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on April 24, 2017, 11:16:33 AM
Shoot, I was hoping for more dates than that.  Scheduling and location aren't good for me, so this may not happen after all.  :(  And with the schedule being as tight as it is, it does not look like more dates will be added along the way.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Grappler on April 24, 2017, 11:20:19 AM
So very tempting - I saw Lacuna Coil once 8 years ago, and have never seen Epica.  But driving 70 miles for a concert is such a pain in the ass now.  At least it's on a Saturday if I decide to go.

Also, the LC picture completely matches up with the Insomnium/Elantris pictures in that flyer, making Andrea out to be a one-man band.   :lol

Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on April 24, 2017, 11:25:00 AM
If it were on a Saturday, I would do it.  For me, it is a Thursday, and about 100 miles.  Not a great combination.  And I would likely be going solo.  I'm not saying this is a definite "no," but it isn't looking good.

And I hadn't noticed that about the poster.  :lol
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on April 24, 2017, 11:31:54 AM
Poster lists 9-15 as LA.

Website lists no LA date and has 9-15 as Santa Anna.


Hmmmm....
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 24, 2017, 12:05:00 PM
I expect to be at the NYC show.  Love the Playstation theater and it appears they are brining a legit stage show for this tour so this should be awesome.  I just hope for a different setlist so we can see more of a variety. 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Grappler on April 24, 2017, 01:40:42 PM
If it were on a Saturday, I would do it.  For me, it is a Thursday, and about 100 miles.  Not a great combination.  And I would likely be going solo.  I'm not saying this is a definite "no," but it isn't looking good.

And I hadn't noticed that about the poster.  :lol

I was mistaken.  I read the poster in a European date format and thought the show was in June.  Oops!   It's actually a Wednesday in September.  Not going.  Weekday shows are tough based on my 50 mile commute to work via train.  Can't afford to take any time off of work then either - I have to horde PTO this year since baby #2 is due in October.

Such is life!
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 26, 2017, 03:38:37 AM
I will definitely be at the NYC show and I might even hit the Troc, too.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2017, 01:43:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1qRwjqjurQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1qRwjqjurQ)

New official live video of Dancing in a Hurricane  :metal
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on May 03, 2017, 02:45:52 PM
Wow.  I may have to seriously reconsider going to see this.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 03, 2017, 08:13:02 PM
Just downloaded a few Epica boots. There's one cleverly name Make America Epic Again.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on May 03, 2017, 08:16:57 PM
Wow.  I may have to seriously reconsider going to see this.

I somehow doubt we're getting that kind of stage show haha, but that would be epic.....................a.


I still plan on going, unsure if I should get the VIP. No idea what I would even say to Epica other than being able to be really close to Simone for a second.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 03, 2017, 08:23:14 PM
Yeah, I can't meet her. That would just...not be good for me.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on May 03, 2017, 08:25:57 PM
Yeah, I can't meet her. That would just...not be good for me.

I assume they have complimentary paper towels.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 03, 2017, 08:27:13 PM
For me or her?
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Adami on May 03, 2017, 08:28:30 PM
Well I'm sure she'd be happy to hand them to you.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 03, 2017, 08:32:06 PM
(https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder698/500x/30823698/beavis-and-butthead-huhuhuhuhuhuh-huhuhu-were-gonna-score.jpg)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2017, 10:04:08 AM
I somehow doubt we're getting that kind of stage show haha, but that would be epic.....................a.

They are advertising it as the full stage show this tour for "The Ultimate Principle" so I expect that.  The venue in NYC has a much bigger stage than the one's they played in last two tours as well. 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on May 04, 2017, 04:00:20 PM
The theater they are playing in my area is pretty big and pretty nice too, so I would hope we'd be getting something like that.

I look forward to seeing Lacuna Coil open as well.  They are a fun live band.  Their latest album does leave me a little cold, though.  I liked it well enough when it came out, but it has faded pretty far.  There are a few songs I enjoy (primarily, the title track, Blood, Tears, Dust, and Take Me Home).  But I find myself losing interest pretty quickly in most of it.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 05, 2017, 07:49:03 AM
I don't think I've ever really given them much of a listen, but I expect to dig in before the concert so I know the music.  They seem like a band I should like.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 19, 2017, 07:36:24 PM
The current lineup is easily my favorite.

Coen and Mark are the only two members left from the very beginning.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 19, 2017, 08:09:15 PM
I was just noticing something else. The Phantom Agony came out in 2003 when Simone was just 18. Figure she was 17 when they were working on the album. She had that beautiful operatic voice at such a young age. Phenomenal!
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 23, 2017, 08:10:46 AM
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We are proud to present to you our brand new animated Music Video for our single "The Solace System"! The song is taken off our upcoming EP "The Solace System", which will be released on September 1st through Nuclear Blast worldwide!
Pre-order NOW your preferred format of the EP and new merchandise through: www.epica.nl/the-solace-system

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isx0fjTxUwc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isx0fjTxUwc)

Hell yea!  More new Epica music!  5 more tracks to come!  :metal :metal
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on September 21, 2017, 05:17:53 PM
Finally got around to getting The Solace System and it's fantastic.  6 leftover tracks from The Holographic Principle (which I find to be Epica's best album) so while it took me awhile to finally get this and listen, I was definitely highly anticipating it.  Being the end of their tour is coming up (I'll be at the final show in NYC) I am getting back into the Epica mood.  They are playing a song from this album, Wheel of Destiny, and Simone sings much lower on this song than anything I can recall from her before.  It actually works.  I think fans of old school Epica won't like it, but it sounds good and the song is really solid.  I also really enjoy Decoded Poetry.  Really good stuff, again, from Epica.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: The Walrus on September 21, 2017, 05:37:48 PM
Thanks for reminding me about the Solace System cram, it sounds like a good listen. I'll try to pick it up with Holographic Principle. I haven't listened to this band in a long time - found Quantum Enigma a while ago at a store and bought it impulsively but have never listened to it. Design Your Universe is my favorite album, even have it signed by them. Their albums are so dense I find it almost impossible to differentiate most songs from each other but they're always intense and interesting to listen to. I just wish there were more songs like Unleashed, Burn To A Cinder, etc. - those catchier but still intense songs really kick some ass imo.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on September 21, 2017, 05:49:28 PM
Thanks for reminding me about the Solace System cram, it sounds like a good listen. I'll try to pick it up with Holographic Principle. I haven't listened to this band in a long time - found Quantum Enigma a while ago at a store and bought it impulsively but have never listened to it. Design Your Universe is my favorite album, even have it signed by them. Their albums are so dense I find it almost impossible to differentiate most songs from each other but they're always intense and interesting to listen to. I just wish there were more songs like Unleashed, Burn To A Cinder, etc. - those catchier but still intense songs really kick some ass imo.

I'd recommend checking out the single from the Holographic Principle, Edge of the Blade, which is similar to the songs you mention https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_QLQHkj1XU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_QLQHkj1XU)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 02, 2017, 09:33:37 PM
So last Friday was the final concert of the Epica and Lacuna Coil NA tour.  This was an amazing concert.  Definitely a highlight of the year for me (25+ concerts attended this year) and not just because of the bands, but because of the uniqueness of the event. 

As the tour has gone on, Cristina Scabbia of Lacuna Coil had started joining Simone on stage for Storm the Sorrow.  So I expected this to happen this evening, but given it being the last show of the tour, I thought it was possible for something else unique happening.  Well, as I was grabbing a drink after Lacuna Coil just finished spellbound, I noticed on the TVs in the lobby (btw Playstation Theater is one of my favorite venues) that Simone had just come on stage.  Of course I bolted, literally I ran, as did others, to see.  Simone performed Heaven's A Lie with Lacuna Coil and it was quite awesome.  I've seen some people say youtube videos that Simone didn't sound well on this song, but I didn't notice, she sounded fine and the whole song was just amazing.  I follow Simone and Cristina on twitter so I know those two are good friends and it was clear as they sung together. 

(https://scontent.fapa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/22096198_165996123978982_2860427886069285123_o.jpg?oh=57323eb544716e1dba83b5d172808cc0&oe=5A4606F1)

Then things got really interesting.  Lacuna Coil afterwards had technical difficulties, not exactly sure what was wrong, but that's what Cristina said over the mic.  So while they were figuring things out, Cristina figured she would entertain the crowd.  She got the crowd worked up and then sang ACDC's Highway to Hell by herself.  She was amazing.  She sounded so good, I was blown away.  She sang two verses and then gave the mic to a guy in the crowd who sang a guitar solo, he also NAILED it.  They got things going after and finished their set. 

Now it was time for Epica.  This was my third year in a row seeing them, the setlist wasn't too different between the last two years, but a few sprinkles.  They played Wheel of Destiny which was the only song from The Solace System performed.  A really awesome song.  Also got Reverence from the Quantum Enigma which I hadn't seen before.  Then Mark says since it is NYC, they were playing one extra song and played Victims of Contingency.  They did Storm the Sorrow with Cristina, which was also really amazing just like seeing them sing together earlier in the evening. 

(https://scontent.fapa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/22051206_165996087312319_9211939197328495544_o.jpg?oh=500ff4a5367c1ddec1da5529407af40c&oe=5A4B49EC)

Then for the encore, they had their crew come out to dance and mess around on stage with them.  Just a fun and let loose moment for the final songs of the tour.  But you can just see how much fun everyone is having on stage.  They even did their own wall of death on stage as the crowd did one for the intro of Consign to Oblivion.  I don't think I've seen a show with so much spontaneity and uniqueness as this one (well probably doesn't top Bruce Dickinson stripping at the end of their tour in Brooklyn) with so many different moments. 

I got a lot of this for my youtube, here's the same video but timestamped for the different events:

https://youtu.be/AGEkdNS9vfM?t=2m7s (https://youtu.be/AGEkdNS9vfM?t=2m7s) Simone singing with Lacuna Coil
https://youtu.be/AGEkdNS9vfM?t=20m51s (https://youtu.be/AGEkdNS9vfM?t=20m51s) Cristina singing with Epica
https://youtu.be/AGEkdNS9vfM?t=31m31s (https://youtu.be/AGEkdNS9vfM?t=31m31s) Crew having fun on stage during Beyond the Matrix
https://youtu.be/AGEkdNS9vfM?t=34m46s (https://youtu.be/AGEkdNS9vfM?t=34m46s) Wall of Death
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on March 28, 2018, 01:42:00 PM
I am realizing that I like Epica's live sound a LOT more than their studio sound.  Here's hoping they do a live release from this tour.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: The Walrus on March 28, 2018, 01:48:11 PM
I did eventually check out Solace System and Holographic Principle but man, they sound just like Quantum Enigma, which sounded just like Requiem, which sounded just like... you see where I'm going.

Their live show is really, really good though. Extremely tight band. I really wish they'd try something radically different and throw some curveballs every once in a while, though. I feel like I've never really been surprised by this group despite the talent on display. Something about the politically-themed songs has never resonated with me either, except maybe Burn To A Cinder (if that counts).
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on March 28, 2018, 01:56:53 PM
I am realizing that I like Epica's live sound a LOT more than their studio sound.  Here's hoping they do a live release from this tour.

I'd love for another live release from them, they are a great live band and have a great live sound like you say.  There's a handful more gigs on the tour including festivals like Wacken that are sure to turn up some high quality live stuff on youtube.  But they do have their one big show in their home country to celebrate their 1000th show.  If anything gets recorded for live release, I could see that show being it.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 22, 2018, 08:34:13 AM
I didn't follow this release closely since I just realized it's even a thing, but Epica released an EP of cover songs from the Japanese anime series "Attack on Titan" which I had never heard of, but listening to these songs on youtube and damn, how did I miss this?  Sounds like pretty awesome Epica with maybe some different style of vocals and some more musical spots that sound like it belongs with Anime, but honestly, really awesome and well done.  I found out because I stumbled upon this

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/epicas-simone-simons-says-attack-on-titan-ep-was-a-little-out-of-our-comfort-zone/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/epicas-simone-simons-says-attack-on-titan-ep-was-a-little-out-of-our-comfort-zone/)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Ninjabait on October 26, 2018, 02:26:07 PM
Performing a little thread necromancy to say that they've dropped their collaboration with Metropole Orkest, a re-done version of Beyond the Matrix from The Holographic Principle and...it's a hot mess. It's all over the place.

Listen for yourself (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx_gsLBDX2I).
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 26, 2018, 02:33:56 PM
Yea, I listened to that this morning and was really not into it.  Especially the part where it's just the orchestra and Mark's vocals  :lol Really not interested in ever hearing that again, the original song is 10000 times better.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on October 26, 2018, 02:57:35 PM
Wow, that was really cool.  That's one of the things I like about them--when they do a different version of a song, it is truly something creative and different from the original.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 17, 2019, 08:29:52 AM
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EPICA announce the release of Design Your Universe - Gold Edition –

Dutch Metal titans we are celebrating the 10th anniversary of our milestone album ‘Design Your Universe”. To mark this special occasion, EPICA will be re-releasing this fan-favorite album as a Gold Edition on October 4th through Nuclear Blast. This edition will contain the album remixed and remastered by Joost van den Broek with updated artwork and a 2nd disc containing newly-recorded acoustic versions of DYU songs.

Design Your Universe will be re-released as a 2-CD version and a digital version. Next to that the acoustic songs will be released as a separate Picture Disc.

Oh sweet, another bonus disc of acoustic versions of their songs seems really awesome since the last few times they did that those songs came out so damn good and interesting.  Looking forward to this now :yarr
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on July 17, 2019, 08:47:53 AM
That's kind of surprising, since the album isn't that old.  But I think the production did sound really flat, so a remix alone is tempting.  I really enjoy their acoustic interpretations of their songs, but I wish they gave us a new song or two.  I'm really wanting some new Epica.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 17, 2019, 09:10:38 AM
I think we will get new music in 2020, and you are right, that original mix is a bit flat so maybe the remix is worthwhile.  I know you loved those acoustic tracks before so I figured you'd be interested. 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 09, 2019, 02:22:18 PM
They announced a few shows this January

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67669026_10155994691382924_3849225999359148032_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQnGN_kEszw8-zDiSvKEBgGAYqnpxV3mzI17NtTLzqk_j05Jpe8ghsB-bQqnf_iv9Tk&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=8da0d4e2a6f56781382dae1722ac13fc&oe=5DDBF0F2)

Got my ticket for NYC just now.  Looking forward to this likely first show of 2019 for me  :metal :metal
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: The Walrus on August 09, 2019, 02:25:45 PM
Aw seriously? No Chicago? DYU is my favorite Epica album and was the first (and so far only) Epica show I've been to. Man...
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 09, 2019, 02:31:25 PM
Aw seriously? No Chicago? DYU is my favorite Epica album and was the first (and so far only) Epica show I've been to. Man...

Yea, sounds like this is it which is kind of odd.  I'm so grateful to be close to NYC, its rare the city gets skipped on anything.  Also they just re-opened Webster Hall so I'm curious what its like now.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: The Walrus on August 09, 2019, 02:33:01 PM
Aw seriously? No Chicago? DYU is my favorite Epica album and was the first (and so far only) Epica show I've been to. Man...

Yea, sounds like this is it which is kind of odd.  I'm so grateful to be close to NYC, its rare the city gets skipped on anything.  Also they just re-opened Webster Hall so I'm curious what its like now.

I envy you city slickers, but I'd lose my mind if I had to stay in a city any longer than is required for a show/event.  :lol Just like when Avantasia hit the coasts and Canada, guess I'll deal with it!
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 09, 2019, 02:38:27 PM
I live in the burbs, I couldn't do the city life myself.  NYC is an hour train ride from my house or a 15 minute (depends on traffic) drive from work.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: The Walrus on August 09, 2019, 02:39:42 PM
Ahhh that's even better. Nice.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: pg1067 on August 09, 2019, 05:36:20 PM
A show in Montreal on 1/3 followed by a show in Los Angeles on 1/5?  And then back to NYC a week later?  That's a rather odd schedule.

And if the LA show weren't on my kid's birthday, I might consider going to it.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 09, 2019, 05:44:25 PM
A show in Montreal on 1/3 followed by a show in Los Angeles on 1/5?  And then back to NYC a week later?  That's a rather odd schedule.

And if the LA show weren't on my kid's birthday, I might consider going to it.

and a week off between LA and NYC, I don't get it either.  Maybe there is more to this or something else they are doing while in NA. 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 13, 2020, 01:21:02 PM
With regards to the above, the week in between LA and NYC was meant for the 70k tons of metal cruise

Anyway, last night was the final show of the Design Your Universe tour in New York City.  What an awesome concert.  The band sounded so tight.  I thought maybe Simone wouldn't be 100% as her recent blog said she was sickly during the cruise.  But wow did she amaze live, as always.  DYU was the first new album they released while I was a fan so it's got a special place in my heart for this band.  I wish they just played the whole thing but I'm cool with getting to see a few of the lesser played songs mixed in with a bunch of other classic songs. 

However, In All Conscience might have been my favorite although not a DYU song, it is a nice fresh live power ballad from a newer album that didn't get played on that tour (and it's a b-side!).  I love when bands still play live songs for the first time after the album's been out for a long time.  That song just has really powerful lyrics and I was kind of surprised to see it (although I knew the setlist coming in, for some reason my focus just was never on that song).

Anyway, I did record the full song Our Destiny.  I love the lyrics there and that's a song that's rarely played so figure I may never see it again, heck, they may never even play it again after last night.  It's also a good song so I'm happy with the performance and my video came out well. 

About half way into their set, I decided I had enough of being in the back and that it was time to mosh.  Boy is my body aching today from that decision.  It was soooo much fun though.  All the people I had been chatting with on line or during the opener set were in the pit, it was a big happy family in there.  I went wild.  Jammed both my middle fingers, my right collar bone is bruised, my ass cheek is bruised, my shoulder is bruised, and so is my thigh.  I accidently kneed someone in the head (I think I apologized to him 10 times, including after the show when I saw him on the street outside the venue  :lol)  But that was sooo worth it.  I freaked out for a bit, somehow my headphone ear buds got ripped out from me in the pit, but at the same time someone also grabbed my neckless. I panicked as someone then handed me a neckless chain with out the gold which confused me and made me think I lost my neckless in the pit.  It was a bit before I realized the neckless was still on me and the headphones were not which sucks to lose, but much better to lose that than my neckless my mom got me when I was a kid.  Anyway....

Random people that hung out together all night:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOI5XfDWAAApKlX?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

Epica:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOLLnAgX4AIUcV3?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

and video:

Epica - Our Destiny Live New York City 2020 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSXwk94Ofyc)

I'll have my full video up tonight when I get home and can edit/review it all, but an AMAZING night and Epica just keeps impressing me
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on January 13, 2020, 01:51:33 PM
Whoa, I thought they had a new guitarist for the first part of the video.  It wasn't until Isaac came up to the front of the stage after about 2:00 in and I could get a good look that I could see that it was him.  He looks SO different with the full beard and his hair pulled back. 

Anyhow, glad you enjoyed the show.  Sounds fantastic.  They are on my short list of bands that I would like to see.  But they never seem to pay anywhere remotely close when I can see them. 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 13, 2020, 02:34:08 PM
Yea, plus Isaac is going grey, I thought he looked very different as well although I noticed it before the show in pictures as I had been following them closely the last couple weeks.

They said they will be back for a full tour once the next album is out.  Maybe end of 2020 or beginning of 2021 and hopefully they come near you. 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 09, 2020, 09:26:45 AM
New single!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTbk3SfUq9Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTbk3SfUq9Q)

 :metal :metal

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Abyss Of Time is the first single from Epica's eighth album Omega, out on February 26, 2021 via Nuclear Blast Records
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: The Walrus on October 09, 2020, 10:21:43 AM
Whoa, Kingdom of Heaven part 3 is on Omega, surprised they're still going with that  :lol

I really, really need to play catch up with this band like I did with Ensiferum this year (caught up on the last 10 years of music). I own The Quantum Enigma but I don't think I've ever listened to it, and I only gave Requiem a couple spins. I'm on vacation next week - I think over the next 9 days I'll check out what I've been missing.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: The Walrus on October 09, 2020, 10:44:14 AM
i have the devine conspiracy. i like it havent listend to it much

simone is hot

This post is beyond brilliant.

Just saw this for the first time. Belly laugh. Awesome.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 09, 2020, 10:55:21 AM
Whoa, Kingdom of Heaven part 3 is on Omega, surprised they're still going with that  :lol

I really, really need to play catch up with this band like I did with Ensiferum this year (caught up on the last 10 years of music). I own The Quantum Enigma but I don't think I've ever listened to it, and I only gave Requiem a couple spins. I'm on vacation next week - I think over the next 9 days I'll check out what I've been missing.

I'd say those are two of their more forgetable albums.  Nothing really wrong with them, but they don't stand out to me.  I would totally recommend The Holographic Principle though, I think that may be my favorite album of theirs now.  Also, the acoustic versions they did for a few songs on that album are absolutely amazing.

Also, since I bumped this thread I saw my last post about seeing Epica back in January, sadly that has been their last show.  That was sooo much fun that night.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on December 18, 2020, 08:02:30 PM
EPICA - Abyss O'Time (OFFICIAL ACOUSTIC VIDEO)
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpy-KdtLsZY)

Looks like the new album will also continue the awesome trend of featuring acoustic bonus tracks  :yarr LOVE these
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on January 26, 2021, 06:59:44 PM
Single:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rW7Vpep3II

Nice slower, lighter song.  But I like Epica for the heavy.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: MinistroRaven on January 27, 2021, 08:25:39 AM
Single:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rW7Vpep3II

Nice slower, lighter song.  But I like Epica for the heavy.

Do you want to review the album?
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 27, 2021, 08:37:29 AM
Single:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rW7Vpep3II

Nice slower, lighter song.  But I like Epica for the heavy.

Song is nice, but I feel the same.  The ballads are usually solid, as is this one, but it's not what gets my Epica juices really flowing.  Definitely looking forward to this release though
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on January 27, 2021, 09:57:18 AM
One thing that I find intriguing about this band is what a different listening experience they are for me personally.  In general, I don't identify with and vehemently disagree with the statement that lyrics are unimportant and just sort of window dressing for music.  The vast majority of music I listen to is stuff that, at some point or another, whether I'm in my car, doing work in my yard, or whatever, I want to sing along with (even if I am just singing along silently in my head). 

Epica is one of those rare exceptions where the lyrics are meaningless to me.  That is due in large part to the fact that the singing is often unintelligible to me, and I have to look at a lyrics sheet to figure out what they are even saying.  Another part is that they are a band that is really into soundscapes, and I feel like the vocals are part of that soundscape more than trying to make a lyrical point or tell a lyrical story. 

The few times I have gone and looked up Epica lyrics, or have heard the band talk about the meaning of particular songs, I often find myself shaking my head and either thinking the lyrics are really dumb or so antithetical to my life philosophy that I don't care to sing along at all.  Normally, that would cause me to just take a pass on the band altogether.  But in the case of Epica, I am for some reason able to more easily compartmentalize and just ignore the lyrics and just enjoy the scoundscape.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on February 01, 2021, 06:59:17 PM
The Skeleton Key could be my favorite Epica song ever.  Nothing overly complicated about it.  It's just a really solid song.  Kinda reminds me of Charon on Symphony X's last album.  Not that it sounds similar.  But I had a similar reaction in terms of immediately being hooked by a song that doesn't try to do too much, and doesn't need to, and is just solid.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: MinistroRaven on February 22, 2021, 05:19:50 AM
bosk1 album review:

https://lotsofmuzik.com/epica-omega-album-review-by-jerry-deschler/

 :metal
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on February 22, 2021, 08:42:48 AM
Not my best work, but hopefully, it conveys that I liked the album.  I just had a tough time finding things to say about it because it really isn't anything different for them.  Anyone who liked The Holographic Principle will likely like this album a lot as well.  It doesn't break any new ground, but that's okay.  They just stuck to what they do well and put out a solid album.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: pfillion on February 27, 2021, 06:02:54 AM
New video

https://youtu.be/kWZmpZTDtkU
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Willthescout7 on February 27, 2021, 06:53:30 AM
The new Epica album sure sounds like Epica
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Zoom E on February 27, 2021, 04:28:27 PM
bosk1 album review:

https://lotsofmuzik.com/epica-omega-album-review-by-jerry-deschler/

 :metal

 :metal

I may check this out. The only Epica album I own is the Divine Conspiracy and, while I like it, for some reason I haven't listened to it much.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on March 01, 2021, 11:02:13 AM
The new Epica album sure sounds like Epica

I've listened to some of it so far and definitely this seems to be the case.  I don't have an issue with that, I enjoyed them quite a bit and haven't found their sound to become boring or uninteresting yet, actually thought they may have perfected it with their last album.  I definitely need to dig in more though and I'll share my thoughts once I've done so.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Evermind on March 01, 2021, 11:08:54 AM
The new Epica album sure sounds like Epica

Yeah, I checked it out once and it's an Epica album. Probably won't return back to it, but I'll see them live on tour when that's a thing again.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on March 17, 2021, 01:38:17 PM
Once again confirming this is indeed an Epica album.... and I love it.  I'm not sure yet where it lands in my album rankings yet, but it's probably pretty high.  I definitely like the last two albums more than the old school Epica.  It seems Mark might have hit his ceiling with his vocals.  I noticed a lot of improvement from the early albums, but Holographic Principle might be his best work and I feel like he kind of stayed in that same zone on this album.  There's really not a whole lot to say as if you like Epica, you will like this and if you don't, this won't change your mind.  Kingdom of Heaven Pt3 is a nice continuation of the series and the centerpiece of the album. However, I'm not sure it's my favorite track here.  Gaia and Twilight Reverie really stand out to me as my favorite tracks so far.  Synergy is a really nice song as well as Freedom.  I don't think there's a bad track here at all.  Rivers and Skeleton Key might be on the bottom end for me (and they were singles) but I still really enjoy them.  I've consumed 4 new albums in 2021 and so far this is my favorite.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Willthescout7 on March 18, 2021, 05:26:35 AM
My wife really digs the album, especially Skeleton Key
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on March 18, 2021, 09:17:57 AM
Once again confirming this is indeed an Epica album.... and I love it.  I'm not sure yet where it lands in my album rankings yet, but it's probably pretty high.  I definitely like the last two albums more than the old school Epica.  It seems Mark might have hit his ceiling with his vocals.  I noticed a lot of improvement from the early albums, but Holographic Principle might be his best work and I feel like he kind of stayed in that same zone on this album.  There's really not a whole lot to say as if you like Epica, you will like this and if you don't, this won't change your mind. 

Yeah, that's pretty much where I land as well.  I think I probably would put it just a notch below The Holographic Principle.  But it really feels like a continuation of that album.  And when I say that, I mean that it almost feels like these songs could have all been written and recorded at the same time as those, and they just put all the songs in a hat and randomly drew out names to decide which would go on which album--it's that strong a similarity.  It really feels like The Holographic Principle pt. 2 to me.  I kind of shied away from saying that in my review because it sounds like a knock on the album, and I don't mean it that way at all.  But that is exactly the vibe I get.  And since, like you, I liked The Holographic Principle so much, I am perfectly fine with that.

And, yeah, Skeleton Key is pretty great.  Rivers is aging pretty well for me too.  I went from, "Yeah, this is pretty good, but I don't generally turn to Epica for the ballads," to "This is a really well-constructed song with some really pretty moments.  I really like this."
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on March 18, 2021, 09:22:17 AM
Yup, I think we pretty much are both in total agreement.  I by saying those two songs might be my least favorite is not even a knock.  Skeleton Key actually has some slightly different vibes to it, which makes it a bit more unique regarding this album and THP.  I really enjoy it and Rivers.  I downloaded the album from Amazon and it didn't include the acoustic songs.  I need to check those out, because historically, those are amazing versions of the songs.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on March 18, 2021, 09:25:22 AM
I bought the deluxe edition that came with the acoustic tracks, but I haven't ripped and listened to them yet.  I need to do that.  I really enjoyed the ones from The Holographic Principle.  In fact, I think I'll listen to those now.  (I'm at work and have that ripped to my work computer)

EDIT:  Those acoustic tracks also really highlight how much understanding of music these guys have as composers.  They know exactly what they are doing in terms of creating certain moods in their music.  These acoustic tracks have vastly different vibes from their album counterparts, and it isn't just because they are acoustic rather than electric.  When you listen to any of these tracks, you can instantly tell what songs they were derived from, and yet also simultaneously appreciate them as completely separate entities that have a completely different feel.  And that is all due to deliberate choices they made to spin these songs in completely different directions from their counterparts.  I just love that.  It's not just a "bonus unplugged disk."  It's a collection of completely alternative versions of those songs.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: Working man on March 19, 2021, 10:15:00 AM
I am really enjoying this. Got it on vinyl. This will kill live.

WM
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on March 19, 2021, 10:47:32 AM
EDIT:  Those acoustic tracks also really highlight how much understanding of music these guys have as composers.  They know exactly what they are doing in terms of creating certain moods in their music.  These acoustic tracks have vastly different vibes from their album counterparts, and it isn't just because they are acoustic rather than electric.  When you listen to any of these tracks, you can instantly tell what songs they were derived from, and yet also simultaneously appreciate them as completely separate entities that have a completely different feel.  And that is all due to deliberate choices they made to spin these songs in completely different directions from their counterparts.  I just love that.  It's not just a "bonus unplugged disk."  It's a collection of completely alternative versions of those songs.

Yup, this is why I love them, and they slightly change the name of the song to reflect that difference. I totally agree that they aren't really "acoustic versions" they are alternate "softer" versions. 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: 425 on March 24, 2021, 09:48:39 PM
I just got Omega and am really liking it on first listen. I only really got into this band pretty recently with Design Your Universe, so I don't know much of their discography, but I'm definitely enjoying this new one.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on March 25, 2021, 12:27:54 AM
I just got Omega and am really liking it on first listen. I only really got into this band pretty recently with Design Your Universe, so I don't know much of their discography, but I'm definitely enjoying this new one.

IMO, they are one of those few bands whose live efforts are consistently better than studio.  Their Retrospect release is absolutely fantastic, and I would highly recommend it.  That is pretty much my go-to album from them unless there is a specific song I want to hear that isn't on it (or if I want to listen to the two most recent albums).  REALLY strong effort, and it has TONS of music, since it is 3 CDs.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: 425 on April 10, 2021, 04:39:11 PM
I just got Omega and am really liking it on first listen. I only really got into this band pretty recently with Design Your Universe, so I don't know much of their discography, but I'm definitely enjoying this new one.

IMO, they are one of those few bands whose live efforts are consistently better than studio.  Their Retrospect release is absolutely fantastic, and I would highly recommend it.  That is pretty much my go-to album from them unless there is a specific song I want to hear that isn't on it (or if I want to listen to the two most recent albums).  REALLY strong effort, and it has TONS of music, since it is 3 CDs.

I'm only just now seeing this. Thanks for the suggestion! I've been listening to them a lot recently, and have lately been thinking about where to go next. I'm always a little apprehensive about symphonic bands' live releases because sometimes the symphonic elements can get buried, but it's good to see a strong endorsement on this one, which I also gather has a live orchestra. I'll probably get it next, plus maybe one of the last two studio albums before Omega. I actually also own The Divine Conspiracy, which I tried years ago and didn't click with, so I'll go back to that at some point.

I don't know how it's sitting with longtime fans of the band, but I'm really enjoying Omega a lot. What I notice in contrast to my other main point of familiarity, from 12 years ago, is that the choir arrangements are really sophisticated, and they're not afraid to put the choir front-and-center at times, despite having a really impressive lead singer. Seal of Solomon is just absolutely owning me right now, and it's because of the chorus of the song which is all choir(!).

I also absolutely love Rivers, and honestly between it and Tides of Time, which I love even more, I'm inclined to compliment Epica as being every bit as good at the ballads as they are at the bombastic stuff.

The main downside for me—interestingly enough since I think it's pretty clear Bosk and I have pretty different life philosophies in a lot of ways—is this:

The few times I have gone and looked up Epica lyrics, or have heard the band talk about the meaning of particular songs, I often find myself shaking my head and either thinking the lyrics are really dumb or so antithetical to my life philosophy that I don't care to sing along at all.  Normally, that would cause me to just take a pass on the band altogether.  But in the case of Epica, I am for some reason able to more easily compartmentalize and just ignore the lyrics and just enjoy the scoundscape.

But fortunately I also agree about being able to compartmentalize pretty well in Epica's case. I also generally sense that Omega has less material that I find antithetical/conspicuously dumb than DYU. Really only one song has clearly audible lyrics that make me roll my eyes. Some of the other ones seem to even tend toward a sort of Jon Anderson word-soupy mysticism, which is what I prefer from those with a mystic bent (and yes, I still consider it mysticism even if you say "quantum physics" a few times).
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 10, 2021, 05:43:48 PM
Seal of Solomon is fantastic.

I think the general consensus on omega is very positive. If you like it, check out their previous The Holographic Principle. Very similar albums. Also the EP The Solace System with the leftover songs from The Holographic Principle is a really good. Generally, for me, their newer output is better than their first few albums. They've grown and refined their sound.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on April 13, 2021, 03:14:28 PM
I never got Solace System, for some reason.  I need to do that.  I also need to rip the acoustic tracks, so I can listen to those.

@425:  I know I already said what I needed to about Retrospect, but I will just reiterate that I cannot recommend it highly enough.  If I had to pick a desert island Epica CD, that would be the one.  And if I could get three, it would be that, and the two most recent studio albums.  The only caveat I have about that release is that Epica seem to like using lighting that not conventional, so if that sort of things bothers you, just prepare yourself before watching the video portion of the show.  It often looks washed out, or is hard to see some things onstage.  But other than that...I'll just say that Retrospect took me from "I can't say I'm a true 'fan' of the band, but they have some songs I really like" to "they are now on my short bucket list of 'must see' bands."
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 13, 2021, 03:42:34 PM
The lighting in the video is pretty bad.  Just makes it hard to see the band, but doesn't hurt my eyes.

Here's a video from it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2GaSc90wME (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2GaSc90wME) that song was exclusively performed for the live album and I really enjoy it.  But the audio is fantastic, it's overall a really good live album, just kind of sucks they shot all those lights into the cameras so I still recommend it as well.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: 425 on April 13, 2021, 07:59:52 PM
That certainly is strange lighting, and I would prefer if it were somewhat more conventional, but it doesn't really bother me. I also tend to listen to live albums more often than I watch live DVDs, so even if I end up hating the lighting over the course of a whole show, I'm sure I'll get something out of it.

Just went ahead and ordered Retrospect. The Holographic Principle is on my list as well, but I'm probably going to grab it as part of my next Laser's Edge order since they have the 2CD version at the same price as Amazon has the 1CD.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on June 11, 2021, 08:13:33 AM
https://epicastream.com/?awtrc=true&awtrc=true&c=blue_ext&gclid=Cj0KCQjwk4yGBhDQARIsACGfAeucwgNS61BntEQYuvuqtjwklaLPDsWPHeeGnhxjYc5opSPi1rIkJAwaAv2REALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

What???? 

:icwomangs:
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 11, 2021, 08:20:24 AM
I'm not going to be around to watch it live, but I may still purchase and watch sometime during the weekend.  I do want to see the new songs performed.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: 425 on June 12, 2021, 03:24:19 PM
I decided to buy this since I've been into Epica lately and definitely regretted missing the first Nightwish show. The initial airing just finished. Since it will be available for replay and it looks like they're still selling tickets, there's still an option for folks to get in on it. Here are some of my thoughts:

First, while I suppose one could raise questions about any of these streams where they don't interact with the live viewers (as, for example, Leprous did on their first stream), bands are generally trying to create the impression that these performances are being broadcast live. Here, there is absolutely no question that this was not a live performance. There were multiple rearrangements of the stage and outfit/makeup changes for Simone that could not possibly have been done during the 30-second transitions between parts of the set. It doesn't matter much to me whether these things are performed live, especially if they're not going to interact with the viewers anyway, but it was interesting that they did not even put up much of a pretense.

The actual show itself was quite good. They clearly wanted to make a high-quality stage-show, and they definitely achieved that. The band was able to give the performance a lot of energy even in absence of a crowd. The performance was tight (of course, they may have had multiple takes!) and Simone was on point. Mark's vocals were a little low in the mix, but not too bad.

They also did a lot of extra stuff that they probably couldn't do for a touring show. There were acrobats performing behind and above the band throughout a lot of the songs, which was generally pretty cool. They had backup dancers for a few numbers, which to me was a little weird. The dancing wasn't bad, but Epica is just not really music that's easy to dance to, and I really don't know quite what to make of a troupe of dancers thrusting aggressively to a symphonic metal song. They also had a children's choir for a couple of songs, which was a nice touch but didn't really elevate anything to the next level. They also had a choir perform on one other song. The rest of the choir parts and the symphonic parts were backing track.

Overall, I really enjoyed the show! On their social media I think they've hyped it up as the be-all, end-all of performances, and if you're expecting that it might be a bit of a letdown, especially since it's a bit on the short side, but for what it is, it's quite good and very well-produced.

My sense is that the setlist had a good mix of expected stuff and deep cuts, and a mixture of old and new material. They played several of my favorite songs from Omega, although they missed a couple I had hoped to hear.

*Spoilers below* Here's the setlist, keeping in mind that I had to sort of Google and Shazam the ones that came from albums I haven't heard yet.






I. Overtura
1. Alpha - Antiludium
2. Abyss of Time - Countdown to Singularity
3. The Skeleton Key
4. Unchain Utopia

II. Magnituda
1. The Obsessive Devotion
2. In All Conscience
3. Victims of Contingency

III. Elysia
1. Kingdom of Heaven
2. Kingdom of Heaven, Part III - The Antediluvian Universe

IV. Gravita
1. Rivers - A Capella (with choir)
2. Allegro from Mozart's Concerto No. 13 in C Major (really relying on Shazam here)
3. Once Upon a Nightmare

V. Alpha | Omega
1. Freedom - The Wolves Within (this is the one with the weirdest dancing IMO)
2. Cry for the Moon
3. Beyond the Matrix
4. Omega - Sovereign of the Sun Spheres
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 14, 2021, 05:44:43 PM
Nice review, finally getting around to watching this now  :metal :metal
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 14, 2021, 07:18:47 PM
I wonder how much of this is live, as in, it sounds perfect and album quality.  Which honestly, I'm not crazy about. I love the live sound of music and a lot of bands have captured it in their live streams.  I'm not saying it's not live, there were some vocal spots that weren't perfect, but it sounds like it's highly processed. This is basically my only negative and sounding good is hard to really be a negative, it's nitpicking.

Picture quality was excellent and the changing stage designs and outfits gave the show a nice flow.  I didn't care at all from the dancers, I feel like they were unnecessary.  I do like how they had pyro, I'm such a sucker for fire.

Setlist was good, but kind of surprised there weren't more new songs.  I hope those come out once on tour.

Rivers was surprisingly a huge highlight.  Came off very powerful and the directing and look of it all really helped convey that power.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: 425 on June 14, 2021, 07:52:16 PM
I'm gonna just discuss the setlist in this post since I don't think anyone else here is still yet to watch this, but if anyone cares, spoilers below.

I wonder how much of this is live, as in, it sounds perfect and album quality.  Which honestly, I'm not crazy about. I love the live sound of music and a lot of bands have captured it in their live streams.  I'm not saying it's not live, there were some vocal spots that weren't perfect, but it sounds like it's highly processed. This is basically my only negative and sounding good is hard to really be a negative, it's nitpicking.

I hear you on this. Sometimes I can't tell the difference between a studio recording, and a live performance where the band is really tight and playing to a click. My preference is to have more of the live feel, but I also think that ultimately would mean not playing to a click, which is just impossible for a symphonic metal band.

But also, as you said, it's more of a nitpick.


Rivers was surprisingly a huge highlight.  Came off very powerful and the directing and look of it all really helped convey that power.

I was surprised they went with the a capella version, but I was really glad they did. I think that version is beautiful, and I agree that the visual production of it here enhanced the experience.

I also would have liked to have heard more new songs, but I think the ones they did were pretty well-chosen. I think the only change I would have made, given that number of Omega songs, is switching Freedom for Twilight Reverie. I also really love Seal of Solomon, but I get not playing it when so many of the key vocal parts would be a backing track. Hearing the two Kingdom of Heaven songs back to back was pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 14, 2021, 08:30:55 PM
I think the only change I would have made, given that number of Omega songs, is switching Freedom for Twilight Reverie.

I actually might agree with that, but really just wished they played both. I'd love to see Gaia and Code of Life as well.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: 425 on June 14, 2021, 08:45:48 PM
Neither of those are among my favorites on the album, but I definitely wouldn't have minded hearing either or both. My favorites of the ones they didn't play, though, are Seal of Solomon, Twilight Reverie and Synergize.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 14, 2021, 08:52:18 PM
It's a pretty long album, when was the last time they didnt play Consign to Oblivion? Song needs the wall of death lol
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 15, 2021, 02:01:29 PM
Love how Simone retweeted me this morning:

Quote
Loved listening to @SimoneSimons talk about Epica's 20 year journey from their first song Cry For the Moon, and it reminded me that the first concert I ever live streamed was their 10th anniversary Retrospect show! Live streaming has come a long way!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E34q2P_XoAMKYlj?format=jpg&name=large)

https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/1404607247083315202 (https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/1404607247083315202)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: 425 on September 08, 2021, 10:13:09 AM
Quote
EPICA SET TO RELEASE ‘ΩMEGA ALIVE’ + ANNOUNCES PREMIERE OF “UNCHAIN UTOPIA”
 
In June this year, we unleashed a monument to our music and our career – our worldwide streaming event, ΩMEGA ALIVE. It was the show of your wildest dreams, brought to life by 40 artists – what some people described as “Marvel meeting Cirque de Soleil in a Tim Burton universe!”
 
Tailor-made videos, graphic effects, spectacular pyro effects, rain, dancers, choirs and actors all added to the aura of symbolism and cinematic splendor that brought fans from over 100 countries flocking to their screens to witness a show that became the biggest concert event of our history.

Coen Janssen, the mastermind behind the the show’s concept, explains:

“What we wanted to do was the ultimate EPICA show where we could fulfill every dream we ever had, where there was room for all the ideas, effects and props that are just too big to be taken on tour. Far from your usual streaming concert, the band developed a trademark feature called a living backdrop. We built another stage right behind our stage where lots of things were going on the whole time. And we meant that very literally. Every song got something extra, something unique that was fitting its world.”

ΩMEGA ALIVE releases December 3, 2021 and will be available in the following formats:
BluRay + DVD
2CD Digipak
Boxset incl. CD-version of the Earbook, 5x 10'' Picture Vinyl (Zoetrope vinyl)
Earbook incl. DVD + BluRay + 3LP (Light Green Vinyl)
Earbook incl. DVD + BluRay + 2CD
3LP (Black Vinyl)
3LP (Glow in the Dark, Band Store Exclusive)
3LP Clear + White Marbled in Trifold (EMP Exclusive)
3LP White with Sun Yellow + Black in Trifold (Netherlands + Belgium Exclusive)
3LP Sun Yellow in Trifold (NB Mailorder + Wholesale Exclusive)
3LP Clear + Green + Black Splatter (NB Mailorder Exclusive)
2CD/BluRay (USA Exclusive)
2CD/DVD (Mexico + Brazil Exclusive)

Directed by Jens de Vos (Panda Productions) and graced with the magical artwork of Stefan Heilemann (Heilemania), the DVD, BluRay, CD and vinyl contain 15 EPICA classics, fan-favourites, as well as first-ever live performances from tracks off the band’s latest chef-d’oeuvre, ΩMEGA, such as “The Skeleton Key” or the insanely monumental, “Kingdom of Heaven Part 3.”

Just got this email. I'm very happy they are releasing this; it was a really great show and impressive production and I'll be glad to own it. It's wild to me how many versions of these things get released nowadays—I don't really see the point in getting both the Blu-Ray and the DVD, so I think I'll be looking for that 2CD/Blu-Ray set.

As a reminder, here's the tracklist. A ton of recent stuff that hasn't gotten a live release yet, including In All Conscience, which was just a bonus track on TQE. Also probably the biggest song from the first five albums not to have a live version yet in Kingdom of Heaven. The only songs we're getting repeat versions of are The Obsessive Devotion and Cry for the Moon.

1. Alpha - Anteludium
2. Abyss of Time - Countdown to Singularity
3. The Skeleton Key
4. Unchain Utopia
5. The Obsessive Devotion
6. In All Conscience
7. Victims of Contingency
8. Kingdom of Heaven - A New Age Dawns Part V
9. Kingdom of Heaven, Part III - The Antediluvian Universe
10. Rivers - A Capella
11. Once Upon a Nightmare
12. Freedom - The Wolves Within
13. Cry for the Moon
14. Beyond the Matrix
15. Omega - Sovereign of the Sun Spheres

They're premiering the video of Unchain Utopia later today: https://youtu.be/c8XdrOhEZl0 (https://youtu.be/c8XdrOhEZl0)
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on September 08, 2021, 10:24:14 AM
The livestream was good, but I see no reason to buy this after having paid already to watch it.  This should be included as a bonus on a future live release IMO. 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: 425 on September 08, 2021, 03:06:43 PM
I understand that perspective, but I definitely want to own it, and under the special set of circumstances, I don't mind paying for it twice. I wouldn't want to make a regular habit of it, but I don't mind going along with these like this to give a little help to bands I like during a period when they have literally been unable to do their most financially beneficial activity.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on September 08, 2021, 03:41:03 PM
I like owning the physical product.  AND I missed the stream.  So I'm planning on buying this for sure.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on September 08, 2021, 04:10:01 PM
I usually like owning the blu-ray, but this just isn't a normal concert where I feel like I'll be watching it over and over.  I think not being in front of an audience doesn't give it the same replay value for some reason.  Same with owning the CDs, it'll just feel like a studio album.  I don't know, I love Epic and thought the show was great.  I just feel like I won't really be watching it the same way I still occasionally watch Retrospect.

If I didn't buy the live stream, I almost certainly would buy the blu-ray to be able to watch it at least once.  I know you all will enjoy it though, so this is just my thoughts on the money side of things, not so much on the product.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on January 12, 2022, 03:01:56 PM
Looks like they just launched a pay fanclub: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvCwL9aVRKk

https://www.patreon.com/epica
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 12, 2022, 03:09:54 PM
Yeah, can't say I care to join it, but at the same time I can understand bands trying new things to generate income. They aren't the first to go to Patreon and won't be the last.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: ProfessorPeart on June 03, 2022, 08:59:31 PM
Bunch of new (old) releases coming out. A box with the first 2 albums, and We Will Take You With Us and The Score. A 2006 show from Paradiso on CD/Blu.

Plus combos of it all and whatever.

https://bravewords.com/news/epica-to-celebrate-20-years-with-we-will-take-you-with-us-box-set

https://shop.nuclearblast.com/en/shop/item/groups/51000.1.html?article_group_sort_type_handle=rank&custom_keywords=Epica
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: 425 on June 04, 2022, 11:18:59 AM
Saw this yesterday. It's perfect for me because the first two albums are two of the three studio albums I don't have yet, and I'm a big fan of their live performances.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: bosk1 on June 04, 2022, 12:54:00 PM
Saw this yesterday. It's perfect for me because the first two albums are two of the three studio albums I don't have yet, and I'm a big fan of their live performances.

Same.  First one I bought was The Divine Conspiracy, and I never went back and bought the old stuff.  I don't really feel a compelling need to do so, but with the bonuses in this set, as long as it is priced decently, sounds like a good incentive to pick it up.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 04, 2022, 04:22:39 PM
The Paradiso release is huge for long time epica fans. That was recorded so long ago and never released I believe due to label reasons. Glad it's coming to light and it looks like it'll be in very nice quality judging by the new youtube video from it. Definitely buying that cd/blu ray combo.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: goo-goo on June 19, 2022, 08:53:28 AM
I have these two Epica books for sale

-An Essence of Epica Signature Edition $75
-An Essence of Epica Classic Edition $50

Shipping within the US $10 each, can combine shipping (excess shipping will be refunded).
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 28, 2022, 06:42:39 PM
I saw Epica last Sunday on the final show of their tour opening for Sabaton in NYC.  I wrote more about it in the concert thread, but I wanted to share this video:

Epica - Beyond The Matrix LIVE @ Hammerstein Ballroom New York City NY 10/23/2022 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SypGLJ2D5nM)

What an awesome crowd jumping for this song and that kick by Simone at 4:45 is epic!  :lol Also met Mark at their merch stand during Sabaton's set.  He seemed very happy and very nice to chat with quickly.  Overall, they were really good even as an opener.  Great set and performance. 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on November 13, 2022, 05:43:01 PM
Just got The Alchemy Project.  Really good stuff here. 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on November 13, 2022, 06:16:54 PM
Haven't gotten to the whole thing yet, but the track with Charlotte Wessels and Myrkur and the track with Speed Strid are nice.  Crazy amount of talent there. 
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: gazinwales on December 16, 2022, 10:05:21 AM
New song Apocalyptica & Epica - Rise Again
It's really only Simone though...
https://youtu.be/cEgsUUhqdlg
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: ErHaO on February 04, 2024, 06:07:39 AM
I bought two tickets for the Amsterdam show with orchestra and choir this year. Based on recent live footage and that past release with orchestra, Retrospect, this should be a good one!

I assume this will become another release at some point? Despite them having many recent live releases. Three shows with orchestra/choir is quite an undertaking. They play two of these shows in The Netherlands and one in Mexico.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 04, 2024, 10:35:05 AM
I bought two tickets for the Amsterdam show with orchestra and choir this year. Based on recent live footage and that past release with orchestra, Retrospect, this should be a good one!

I assume this will become another release at some point? Despite them having many recent live releases. Three shows with orchestra/choir is quite an undertaking. They play two of these shows in The Netherlands and one in Mexico.

I'm hoping for a release as well, was thinking it could be the Mexico show though, but that's just my guess since they recently released a bunch of live footage from a recent Amsterdam AFAS show.
Title: Re: Epica appreciation thread
Post by: ErHaO on February 04, 2024, 04:03:56 PM
I bought two tickets for the Amsterdam show with orchestra and choir this year. Based on recent live footage and that past release with orchestra, Retrospect, this should be a good one!

I assume this will become another release at some point? Despite them having many recent live releases. Three shows with orchestra/choir is quite an undertaking. They play two of these shows in The Netherlands and one in Mexico.

I'm hoping for a release as well, was thinking it could be the Mexico show though, but that's just my guess since they recently released a bunch of live footage from a recent Amsterdam AFAS show.

Yeah, would make sense to me, as they are playing in fron of 10k people there (assuming ticket sales are going well). Would be nice.

Amsterdam does have two shows and I assume a local orchestra, which does help with prep and backups for mistakes. But the band did not need that in the past, offcourse. This is the first time they do three of these shows, I think. But I assume they will use a Mexican orchestra for the show over there. Would be nuts if they don't record it.


Looking forward to it. The AFAS live recording of last year is good (though more of an EP I think?). I live close to AFAS but missed them last time. For me it is a walk to the venue, which is nice  ;D (good place to live for events, Ziggodome and Arena are there as well). First time seeing Epica live, actually.