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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: ReaperKK on December 12, 2023, 05:48:12 PM
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Alright the list is underway!
For those that want to listen along to the countdown there is a Spotify playlist curated by jingle.boy here: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1qZDwbh6xzExhXc5Af8NLR?si=eaf2201d98054e02
100. Never Enough (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3072092#msg3072092)
99. Wither (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3072092#msg3072092)
98. The Gift Of Music (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3072092#msg3072092)
97. Vacant (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3072461#msg3072461)
96. Afterlife (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3072461#msg3072461)
95. Forsaken (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3072461#msg3072461)
94. S2N (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3072645#msg3072645)
93. Our New World (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3072645#msg3072645)
92. The Looking Glass (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3072645#msg3072645)
91. A New Beginning (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3072933#msg3072933)
90. Transcending Time (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3072933#msg3072933)
89. Behind The Veil (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3072933#msg3072933)
88. This Is The Life (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3073569#msg3073569)
87. New Millennium (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3073569#msg3073569)
86. Constant Motion (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3073569#msg3073569)
85. Sleeping Giant (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3074014#msg3074014)
83t. The Enemy Inside (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3074014#msg3074014)
83t. Surrender To Reason (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3074014#msg3074014)
82. Only A Matter Of Time (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3074326#msg3074326)
81. Awaken The Master (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3074326#msg3074326)
80. I Walk Beside You (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3074326#msg3074326)
79. The Shattered Fortress (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3074813#msg3074813)
78. A Fortune In Lies (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3074813#msg3074813)
77. The Best Of Times (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3074813#msg3074813)
76. The Live Forever (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3075045#msg3075045)
75. Answering The Call (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3075045#msg3075045)
74. Through Her Eyes (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3075045#msg3075045)
73. Lost Not Forgotten (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3075210#msg3075210)
72. Fall Into The Light (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3075210#msg3075210)
71. Honor Thy Father (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3075210#msg3075210)
70. The Dark Eternal Night (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3075454#msg3075454)
69. The Alien (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3075454#msg3075454)
68. The Killing Hand (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3075454#msg3075454)
67. Ytse Jam (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3075814#msg3075814)
66. The Silent Man (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3075814#msg3075814)
65. Raise The Knife (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3075814#msg3075814)
64. Beneath The Surface (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3076082#msg3076082)
63. Sacrificed Sons (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3076082#msg3076082)
62. Pale Blue Dot (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3076082#msg3076082)
61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3076387#msg3076387)
60. The Bigger Picture (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3076387#msg3076387)
59. Hollow Years (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3076387#msg3076387)
58. Outcry (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3076856#msg3076856)
57. Hell's Kitchen (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3076856#msg3076856)
56. On The Backs Of Angels (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3076856#msg3076856)
55. Panic Attack (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3077023#msg3077023)
54. These Walls (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3077023#msg3077023)
53. The Great Debate (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3077023#msg3077023)
52. Barstool Warrior (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3077180#msg3077180)
51. Caught In A Web (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3077180#msg3077180)
50. A Nightmare To Remember (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3077436#msg3077436)
49. A View From The Top Of The World (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3077436#msg3077436)
47t. Lie (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3077436#msg3077436)
47t. This Dying Soul (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3077436#msg3077436)
46. One Last Time (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3077801#msg3077801)
44t. Peruvian Skies (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3077801#msg3077801)
44t. Wait For Sleep (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3077801#msg3077801)
43. As I Am (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3078181#msg3078181)
42. Innocence Faded (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3078181#msg3078181)
41. Disappear (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3078181#msg3078181)
40. Erotomania (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3078623#msg3078623)
39. Stream Of Consciousness (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3078623#msg3078623)
38. Another Day (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3078623#msg3078623)
37. At Wit's End (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3079136#msg3079136)
36. The Root Of All Evil (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3079136#msg3079136)
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3079136#msg3079136)
34. 6:00 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3079402#msg3079402)
33. The Dance Of Eternity (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3079402#msg3079402)
32. Overture 1928 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3079402#msg3079402)
31. Misunderstood (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3079598#msg3079598)
30. Space-Dye Vest (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3079598#msg3079598)
29. Endless Sacrifice (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3079598#msg3079598)
28. Lines In The Sand (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3079915#msg3079915)
27. The Mirror (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3079915#msg3079915)
26. The Spirit Carries On (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3079915#msg3079915)
25. Illumination Theory (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3080373#msg3080373)
24. Beyond This Life (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3080373#msg3080373)
23. Bridges In The Sky (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3080373#msg3080373)
22. In The Presence Of Enemies (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3080702#msg3080702)
21. Blind Faith (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3080702#msg3080702)
20. Surrounded (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3080702#msg3080702)
19. Finally Free (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3081091#msg3081091)
18. Strange Deja Vu (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3081091#msg3081091)
17. Take The Time (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3081091#msg3081091)
16. Under A Glass Moon (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3081662#msg3081662)
15. The Glass Prison (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3081662#msg3081662)
14. Pull Me Under (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3081662#msg3081662)
13. Fatal Tragedy (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3082127#msg3082127)
12. Scarred (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3082127#msg3082127)
11. In The Name Of God (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3082127#msg3082127)
10. The Count Of Tuscany (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3082427#msg3082427)
09. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3082427#msg3082427)
08. Breaking All Illusions (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3082780#msg3082780)
07. Voices (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3082780#msg3082780)
06. Trial Of Tears (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3083416#msg3083416)
05. Home (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3083416#msg3083416)
04. Octavarium (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3083976#msg3083976)
03. A Change Of Seasons (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3084438#msg3084438)
02. Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle And The Sleeper (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3085038#msg3085038)
01. Learning To Live (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3085476#msg3085476)
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Lists Received:
KevShmev
DragonAttack
axeman90210
SwedishGoose
Dittomist
porcacultor
Trav86
ReaPsTA
Ben_Jamin
energythief
weirdo
Dream Team
CharlesPL
Wim Kruithof
Mladen
Peter Mc
Jamesman42
Mosh
hefdaddy42
lucasembarbosa
Metro
Zydar
DTwwbwMP
lightningbolt
Lethean
Podaar
Adami
Indiscipline
King Puppies and the Acid Guppies
MirrorMask
TAC
Toro
Animal
jeff_kinsley
devieira73
mariner
Cool Chris
Vmadera00
jingle.boy
PixelDream
bosk1
Stadler
nobloodyname
Setlist Scotty
twosuitsluke
Dave_Manchester
wolfking
The Realm
MoraWintersoul
NoFred
JiM-Xtreme
Evermind
MustActFastToCoverUp
geeeemo
Revenge319
JPZealot
jammindude
romdrums
CanuckChum
OpenYourEyes311
Fonzie
Awaken
WardySI
pg1067
jonny108
ReaperKK
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Hah, I just saw that the other thread was locked. I was thinking, jeez, I guess we're not doing this. So much for my list. :lol
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Hah, I just saw that the other thread was locked. I was thinking, jeez, I guess we're not doing this. So much for my list. :lol
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I'm about halfway done with my list. Slowly working on it.
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Hah, I just saw that the other thread was locked. I was thinking, jeez, I guess we're not doing this. So much for my list. :lol
Same here. One of those nights where I can't find my sleep, but ReaperKK surely helped a bit, by taking over the task.
And KevShmev, thank you for all the time spend on this and I wish you ease / peace, in whatever is consuming your time and energy.
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So, still working through the ranking engine and had Cry for Freedom pop up. I was 99% sure that song was on The Astonishing.... Kept looking through the tracklist of that album trying to find it and thought I must have somehow accidentally deleted it.
Totally forgot it was an early Majesty demo, but seriously, with a track name like that it sure sounds like it could be on The Astonishing. :lol
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Still working on my list, just the bottom 70 (30-100), really. I'm finding I don't really have any preferences in that range. Maybe even from 20 down!
Oh, and... I still think Six Degrees should have been separated out but what can ya do, eh?
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I'll be submitting a list. Still working on it.
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Just to be clear, to whom should we submit lists now? Reaper or Kev?
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Just to be clear, to whom should we submit lists now? Reaper or Kev?
Send them to the Reaper (don't fear him).
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Just to be clear, to whom should we submit lists now? Reaper or Kev?
Sending it to me.
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I'm still in; it's just taking some time.
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I got my top 3, just have to finish ranking the other 97 songs.
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I got my top 3, just have to finish ranking the other 97 songs.
Lol, almost there...
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My list is nearing completion.
Thought for today... "Oh yea, Dream Theater actually released a grunge song".
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I better start on this soon.
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My list is nearing completion.
Thought for today... "Oh yea, Dream Theater actually released a grunge song".
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Cover My Eyes, it's as close to a DT grunge song as you're ever going to get my friend.
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Working on my list. Finding it a bit of a slog to get through The Astonishing.
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Working on my list. Finding it a bit of a slog to get through The Astonishing.
I'm not even bothering. Nothing from it will make the top 100 anyway.
Although.....I have thought it's actually the perfect time to listen to it again, but I don't think I deserve to do that to myself at this point in time.
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I've got a first draft of mine, and I'm just hitting the Top 10 in my listen-thru. I found in the first 75 songs, there were quite I few I rated WAY too high, and some WAY too low. The top 25 is pretty much locked in - there might have be a couple of minor tweaks, but I'm almost good to go. I may run it thru the ranker and see if/how it compares to my manual sorting.
Working on my list. Finding it a bit of a slog to get through The Astonishing.
I'm not even bothering. Nothing from it will make the top 100 anyway.
Although.....I have thought it's actually the perfect time to listen to it again, but I don't think I deserve to do that to myself at this point in time.
I tried Tim's abridged version to see if time has changed my opinion of it.
Nope! It's still fucking awful :lol. There's 1 song that I can tolerate, and one that I almost enjoy. Ironically, the latter didn't make Tim's abridged playlist!
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I've been toying with the idea of listening again and post some running commentary. Not sure how many would be interested in that.
I honestly think I've only listened to the album in full once. I tried again but didn't make it to the second disc from memory.
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I've been toying with the idea of listening again and post some running commentary. Not sure how many would be interested in that.
I honestly think I've only listened to the album in full once. I tried again but didn't make it to the second disc from memory.
Just wait a few months for Indi to get to it. Let him take the bullet for us all. :lol
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I've been toying with the idea of listening again and post some running commentary. Not sure how many would be interested in that.
I honestly think I've only listened to the album in full once. I tried again but didn't make it to the second disc from memory.
Just wait a few months for Indi to get to it. Let him take the bullet for us all. :lol
That's a fair call. Although 2037 is a while away. Although mine won't be anywhere near as sophisticated, detailed and clean.
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I've been toying with the idea of listening again and post some running commentary. Not sure how many would be interested in that.
I mean, who wouldn’t be interested in that?
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I've been toying with the idea of listening again and post some running commentary. Not sure how many would be interested in that.
I mean, who wouldn’t be interested in that?
:metal
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Working on my list. Finding it a bit of a slog to get through The Astonishing.
I'm not even bothering. Nothing from it will make the top 100 anyway.
Looks like 10 TA songs made the top 100 last time (with A New Beginning being the highest ranked at #68).
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Working on my list. Finding it a bit of a slog to get through The Astonishing.
I'm not even bothering. Nothing from it will make the top 100 anyway.
Looks like 10 TA songs made the top 100 last time (with A New Beginning being the highest ranked at #68).
So sorry, I meant to say won't make MY top 100.
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Working on my list. Finding it a bit of a slog to get through The Astonishing.
I'm not even bothering. Nothing from it will make the top 100 anyway.
Looks like 10 TA songs made the top 100 last time (with A New Beginning being the highest ranked at #68).
So sorry, I meant to say won't make MY top 100.
No, you were clear. :lol
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:lol
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There's one song that may sneak into my top 100. Nothing else will because I'm not even going to consider any of the other songs.
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Reaper, become a king and separate SDOIT into the 8 tracks. DOWN WITH THE MODS
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I am sure several TA songs will make it for me. I am listening to it in its entirety!
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I've been toying with the idea of listening again and post some running commentary. Not sure how many would be interested in that.
I honestly think I've only listened to the album in full once. I tried again but didn't make it to the second disc from memory.
That would be great and I would definitely follow but I reckon a painful undertaking!
I gave The Astonishing a fair crack upon release. probably at least 20 spins and really liked some of it. It just hasn't aged at all for me. The 'cringe inducing' moments now stand out like a sore thumb even though there is some really great moments buried in the album, especially musically. I think I might get a song or two in the top 100, I won't completely discount it yet....
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Reaper, become a king and separate SDOIT into the 8 tracks. DOWN WITH THE MODS
No can do. If it was me running it from the start I probably would've split it up but now that I have some lists in I'm not going to have people resubmit those. I'll break them out next go around.
I can completely exclude all of SDOIT because nothing from the second disk should make the countdown.... ;)
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I included 3 songs from TA on my Top 100, and that was pretty generous of me.
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I've been toying with the idea of listening again and post some running commentary. Not sure how many would be interested in that.
I surely would...
Although The Astonishing is probably a low-tier album for me, I really enjoy the whole piece. It is quite a sitdown to consume the entire record, but since I only listen to Dream Theater last couple of years (and I do mean that), it happens every now and then. And never disappoints me.
But ranking invidivual songs is truly hard, because the storyline isn't easily cut in pieces, not due to the lyrics, not the themes.
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I've been toying with the idea of listening again and post some running commentary. Not sure how many would be interested in that.
I honestly think I've only listened to the album in full once. I tried again but didn't make it to the second disc from memory.
Interested!
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Reaper, become a king and separate SDOIT into the 8 tracks. DOWN WITH THE MODS
No.
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I've been toying with the idea of listening again and post some running commentary. Not sure how many would be interested in that.
I honestly think I've only listened to the album in full once. I tried again but didn't make it to the second disc from memory.
Interested!
I might run through it one morning next week. Morning being morning in Australia. Being online mid morning seems to catch a lot of the lads on here.
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I've been toying with the idea of listening again and post some running commentary. Not sure how many would be interested in that.
I honestly think I've only listened to the album in full once. I tried again but didn't make it to the second disc from memory.
Interested!
I might run through it one morning next week. Morning being morning in Australia. Being online mid morning seems to catch a lot of the lads on here.
Make sure you pepper you reviews with plenty of aussie slang.
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I've been toying with the idea of listening again and post some running commentary. Not sure how many would be interested in that.
I honestly think I've only listened to the album in full once. I tried again but didn't make it to the second disc from memory.
Interested!
I might run through it one morning next week. Morning being morning in Australia. Being online mid morning seems to catch a lot of the lads on here.
You've got a lot to live up to in order to match the vitriol from the FU review (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36090.msg1565339#msg1565339). Mind you, that was over 10 years ago, so I'm sure you've banked up some of that hostility.
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I've been toying with the idea of listening again and post some running commentary. Not sure how many would be interested in that.
I honestly think I've only listened to the album in full once. I tried again but didn't make it to the second disc from memory.
Interested!
I might run through it one morning next week.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/KZY2JYlcg3dF699XSM/giphy.gif)
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HAHA, I like that one.
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I've been toying with the idea of listening again and post some running commentary. Not sure how many would be interested in that.
I honestly think I've only listened to the album in full once. I tried again but didn't make it to the second disc from memory.
Interested!
I might run through it one morning next week. Morning being morning in Australia. Being online mid morning seems to catch a lot of the lads on here.
You've got a lot to live up to in order to match the vitriol from the FU review (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36090.msg1565339#msg1565339). Mind you, that was over 10 years ago, so I'm sure you've banked up some of that hostility.
:lol, I don't know if I read that review the first go around but it's hilarious
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Sent :)
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Reaper, become a king and separate SDOIT into the 8 tracks. DOWN WITH THE MODS
No.
This. SDoIT is 1 song. End of story.
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Sent in my list today.
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Still a long way to go with my list, I've listened up to Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. I will definitely have a list ready by the deadline. Speaking of SDOIT, it's somehow managed to hold up even better than I remember, which is impressive considering it's my favorite DT album and my second-favorite album of all time.
Also, the title track is one song. I get considering something like Porcupine Tree's The Incident as a bunch of separate tracks, but SDOIT was intended as one song and flows together as one song.
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Still a long way to go with my list, I've listened up to Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. I will definitely have a list ready by the deadline. Speaking of SDOIT, it's somehow managed to hold up even better than I remember, which is impressive considering it's my favorite DT album and my second-favorite album of all time.
Also, the title track is one song. I get considering something like Porcupine Tree's The Incident as a bunch of separate tracks, but SDOIT was intended as one song and flows together as one song.
This is debatable.
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Still a long way to go with my list, I've listened up to Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. I will definitely have a list ready by the deadline. Speaking of SDOIT, it's somehow managed to hold up even better than I remember, which is impressive considering it's my favorite DT album and my second-favorite album of all time.
Also, the title track is one song. I get considering something like Porcupine Tree's The Incident as a bunch of separate tracks, but SDOIT was intended as one song and flows together as one song.
This is debatable.
Aside from the brief pause before ATC Reprise, I think it flows together as one complete piece. I could see some of the transitions being seen as jarring, but I don't mind the more sudden transitions between movements. It still feels like one song instead of multiple separate songs in a row.
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Interesting observation working through this. Never Enough has aged much better than I remember it being. It's definitely not the best song on the album, but it's just better than I remember.
Also, have they never played this song live?
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Interesting observation working through this. Never Enough has aged much better than I remember it being. It's definitely not the best song on the album, but it's just better than I remember.
Also, have they never played this song live?
Played it heaps of times. It's the song they were playing in the James Labrie bra incident.
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Interesting observation working through this. Never Enough has aged much better than I remember it being. It's definitely not the best song on the album, but it's just better than I remember.
Also, have they never played this song live?
Never Enough is awesome, and it's a sneaky great performance by James.
Yes, they played it in '05-'06. We got it in Boston on the Gigantour.
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Interesting observation working through this. Never Enough has aged much better than I remember it being. It's definitely not the best song on the album, but it's just better than I remember.
Also, have they never played this song live?
Super fun song live. Saw it in São Paulo in '08.
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Huh, was it actually on a live release? Or am I missing a live release somehow? :corn
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Huh, was it actually on a live release? Or am I missing a live release somehow? :corn
It's on the Romavarium FC release.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywPuWyh-gCU
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Got my 100 out of the ranker but am going to review the list before sending it.
Did not anticipate the split would be as close as it is.
MP songs: 57
MM songs: 43
3 albums have every song represented.
WDaDU: 2 (surprised it was this many)
I&W: 8
Awake: 11
FII: 4 (see WD&DU)
SFaM: 6
ToT: 5
8VM: 6
SC: 4
BC&SL: 4
ADToE: 9
DT: 7
TA: 10
DoT: 6
AVFtTotW: 6
Non-Album: 5 (was very surprised at this total till I saw 4 of them are in the 90s)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywPuWyh-gCU
Hehe! That's great.
And wow, isn't that a brilliant performance from James?
Never Enough is a song I rank more highly than certainly most people here. I've no issue with the lyrics and I think the music is fantastic. The unison is one of my favourite slices of DT music, primarily because it reminds me of 8bit/16bit music so much.
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Ok, I'm about to negotiate 602 comparisons with a computer apparently, but it's now or never.
Wish me luck
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Ok, I'm about to negotiate 602 comparisons with a computer apparently, but it's now or never.
Wish me luck
It's gonna be fun, you'll see!
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Alright, the machine spitefully spat out a list.
It's definitely not right, but it's definitely not wrong and what should be out of the 100 stayed out.
I'm gonna tinker a bit with it until I find out I'm back to square one and then I'll send.
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Here are the percentages of songs per album that made my Top 100.
WDADU - 62.5%
Images & Words - 100%
Awake - 100%
ACOS - 20%
Falling Into Infinity - 54%
Scenes From A Memory - 83%
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence - 83%
Train Of Thought - 100%
Octavarium - 100%
Systematic Chaos - 62.5%
Black Clouds & Silver Linings - 100%
A Dramatic Turn Of Events - 66%
Dream Theater - 66%
The Astonishing - 8.82%
Distance Over Time - 89%
A View From The Top Of The World - 43%
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Still a long way to go with my list, I've listened up to Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. I will definitely have a list ready by the deadline. Speaking of SDOIT, it's somehow managed to hold up even better than I remember, which is impressive considering it's my favorite DT album and my second-favorite album of all time.
Also, the title track is one song. I get considering something like Porcupine Tree's The Incident as a bunch of separate tracks, but SDOIT was intended as one song and flows together as one song.
This is debatable.
I agree that it's debatable, but let's please not debate it here in this thread lol
Not that you were about to. Just trying to head that particular debate off at the pass.
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Sent my list. :corn
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Still a long way to go with my list, I've listened up to Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. I will definitely have a list ready by the deadline. Speaking of SDOIT, it's somehow managed to hold up even better than I remember, which is impressive considering it's my favorite DT album and my second-favorite album of all time.
Also, the title track is one song. I get considering something like Porcupine Tree's The Incident as a bunch of separate tracks, but SDOIT was intended as one song and flows together as one song.
This is debatable.
I agree that it's debatable, but let's please not debate it here in this thread lol
Not that you were about to. Just trying to head that particular debate off at the pass.
Roger that. As you can tell, that indeed was as far as it was going from me but understand why'd you would be nervous about a rabbit hole forming. I've been here long enough haha.
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I do have to still do a list and might spend some time listening to matchups as they come up in the ranker. I guess it could be fun, as long as I take TA songs out beforehand. ;D
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WDaDU: 2 (surprised it was this many)
Lol...
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Sent!
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I hereby announce my list has been sent.
To stay vague:
My top 20 has several songs from Images and Words, Awake and Scenes from a Memory, and only a single song from Octavarium, Falling Into Infinity and Six Degrees each. Only one song of these last three albums made it into the top 10. Oh, and also A Change of Seasons is there somewhere.
To find the first song from another album, we have to go to the (bottom of) my 20-30: there comes the first songs from Dramatic, Black Clouds and Systematic Chaos.
In the 30-40 range there's the first song from Astonishing and the self titled.
In the 50-60 range there's the first non album track, and the first song from the debut album and d/t.
And while I don't particularly dislike the album, I find it quite decent in the end, it's only in the 80-90 range that we find my first song from View (the latest).
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Sent in my list.
Deleted songs from the last 3 albums and ended up with 103 songs.
But man, that was a long and boring experience ranking them. About half way I was ready to quit but felt like I needed to get it done.
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I feel that, brother. It was not fun ranking 100 songs. Maybe 50 would have felt better.
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Earlier today I finally entered all 170-odd songs into the ranker and waded through the seven hundred and whatever it was match-ups. Took about 30 minutes, with some brutally close head-to-heads (Surrounded vs Lifting Shadows) and some less so (Voices vs Barf Bag). The top 25 will need a bit of tweaking but the rest can stay as it is, I'm not going to agonise over positions 73 and 74, and there's nothing that missed the top 100 I'll lose any sleep over.
DT are a band for which I've never really had a clear #1 song. In the end there were 6 songs vying for the top spot and for lack of any other rationale I'll be going with the nostalgia pick; the one that had the most powerful impact on me when I first heard it. In truth on any given day that whole top ten could be in any order depending on my mood.
Fun to revisit some of these songs that I hadn't heard in years, especially the very early stuff. On that note - does anyone (Setlist Scotty?) know why the band never properly recorded A Vision for the debut album? With a tad more discipline in the song-writing it would have been a freakin' gem.
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Earlier today I finally entered all 170-odd songs into the ranker and waded through the seven hundred and whatever it was match-ups. Took about 30 minutes, with some brutally close head-to-heads (Surrounded vs Lifting Shadows) and some less so (Voices vs Barf Bag). The top 25 will need a bit of tweaking but the rest can stay as it is, I'm not going to agonise over positions 73 and 74, and there's nothing that missed the top 100 I'll lose any sleep over.
Yeah, that's the approach I took. I looked at songs from 101 onwards and wondered if I was sad that they would not make the cut, the answer was no, so I left the list like that.
I knew my top 3 already and I got comforted in knowing the system got 'em right. The top 10 was acceptable. I tweaked some things here and there but as you said, no need to spend forever wondering if a song deserves to be 73th or 79th.
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I tried mine today through the ranker, and the top 50 was pretty much in line with the Top 50 I manually did (only 1 song was more than 5 spots different than how I manually ranked them). Spots 51-100 though... man, there were some that the ranking process spit out WILDLY different than my own ranking. Seems I may massage some of those ratings.
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Nice post Dave, I'll agree totally on approach. Although I gave my list more time and thought, I never got annoyed or bored in the process. The list may be different on any given day, but there isn't one song that I feel that doesn't belong there, each time I revisit the outcome.
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Ah......not sure I have the motivation to bother with this. Might just look through my list from last time and change anything glaring and submit that. :-\
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Ah......not sure I have the motivation to bother with this. Might just look through my list from last time and change anything glaring and submit that. :-\
Nothing from the newest album even a consideration? It's actually aged really well for me.
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Ah......not sure I have the motivation to bother with this. Might just look through my list from last time and change anything glaring and submit that. :-\
Nothing from the newest album even a consideration? It's actually aged really well for me.
That's kind of what I was alluding to. It's actually been slightly growing on me too. I think though only the title track and ATC would see the 100. Maybe TT.
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Sent my list. :corn
Uh oh. Did I eff up my list? I don't see my name in the second post... :sadpanda:
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Just submitted my list.
Here's my album breakdown..
WDADU...6
I&W...8
Awake...9
FII...4
SFAM...9
6 D's...3
ToT...4
8V...7
SC...6
BC&SL...4
MP Non Album Tracks...5
ADTOE...8
DT12...5
TA...13
DoT...5
View...4
MP Era...65
MM Era...35
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TA...13
Looks like you don't want to be friends anymore.
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TA...13
Looks like you don't want to be friends anymore.
As soon as I tallied them up, I knew you'd have a comment. :lol
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TA...13
Looks like you don't want to be friends anymore.
As soon as I tallied them up, I knew you'd have a comment. :lol
Even I only have 5 in my top 100. Now I'm curious what got left out to fit in those TA songs on your list...
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TA...13
Looks like you don't want to be friends anymore.
As soon as I tallied them up, I knew you'd have a comment. :lol
:lol On cue.
Nah, actually, it makes me a little more eager to grab the CD and give it a spin. View did slightly grow on me so you never know.
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TA...13
Looks like you don't want to be friends anymore.
As soon as I tallied them up, I knew you'd have a comment. :lol
Even I only have 5 in my top 100. Now I'm curious what got left out to fit in those TA songs on your list...
Well, I'm not going to spotlight my list, but take The Walking Shadow. It has a wicked King Diamond vibe, and I find it way more interesting than...say..Constant Motion.
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Interesting....
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TA...13
Looks like you don't want to be friends anymore.
As soon as I tallied them up, I knew you'd have a comment. :lol
:lol On cue.
Nah, actually, it makes me a little more eager to grab the CD and give it a spin. View did slightly grow on me so you never know.
I know!
I’d sooner have every song on WDADU, SC, and BC&SL before a 3rd song from TA.
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It's actually been slightly growing on me too. I think though only the title track and ATC would see the 100. Maybe TT.
So to you there are at least 100 songs better than Sleeping Giant and Awaken the Master... to me that's very interesting. You also eliminate the entire Astonishing, so basicly all the rest made the list. 😂
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I just finished my first pass through the ranker. As of now I freaking hate it. But I suppose I have a week to retool it.
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I fail to do a real count album for album for some reason.
But I can tell you that I have over 20 songs from my favorite album but the highest ranked is at 26. The Sum is greater than the Parts.
Top 10 contains 7 albums.
3 non album songs snuck in.
The least represented are WDAU, SC, BC&SL and D/T with 3 or less.
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TA...13
Looks like you don't want to be friends anymore.
As soon as I tallied them up, I knew you'd have a comment. :lol
:lol On cue.
Nah, actually, it makes me a little more eager to grab the CD and give it a spin. View did slightly grow on me so you never know.
I know!
I’d sooner have every song on WDADU, SC, and BC&SL before a 3rd song from TA.
3rd song?!
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It's actually been slightly growing on me too. I think though only the title track and ATC would see the 100. Maybe TT.
So to you there are at least 100 songs better than Sleeping Giant and Awaken the Master... to me that's very interesting. You also eliminate the entire Astonishing, so basicly all the rest made the list. 😂
I'd easily take 100 other DT songs over those 2 personally. TA I don't see any songs making it, but I'm committed to a relisten.
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My breakdown, since I seldom write about DT songs:
WDADU: 4
I&W: 8
Awake: 10
ACOS: 1
FII: 7
SFAM: 10
SDOIT: 4
TOT: 4
Octavarium: 2
SC: 2
BL&SL: 2
ADTOE: 7
DT12: 8
TA: 26
D/T: 5
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My breakdown, since I seldom write about DT songs:
TA: 26
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ff/3b/1b/ff3b1b92a6bd767fa5b163788dcd4ced.gif)
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(https://i.imgur.com/P9GUjRF.gif)
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TA I don't see any songs making it, but I'm committed to a relisten.
I am looking forward to your breakdown. And I am truly glad there's so much appreciation for The Astonishing, in this countdown thread. I might even gonna give the whole concept a christmas-eve spin.
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Sent my list. :corn
Uh oh. Did I eff up my list? I don't see my name in the second post... :sadpanda:
I got your list I just haven't entered it in the master spreadsheet, usually when I enter it and everything is good that's why I reply to the pm and add you to the tracker. It's just my weird way of doing things :)
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My breakdown came out to:
When Dream and Day Unite 3
Images and Words 8
Awake 11
A Change of Seasons 1
Falling Into Infinity 6
Scenes from A Memory 9
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 5
Train of Thought 6
Octavarium 6
Systematic Chaos 4
Black Clouds and Silver Linings 5
A Dramatic Turn of Events 8
Dream Theater 4
The Astonishing 12
Distance Over Time 6
A View from the Top of the World 2
N/A 4
Without getting too much into the nitty gritty, one observation that came out of making this list is that the two concept albums are basically opposites for me in terms of Scenes being greater than the sum of its parts and TA being worse than the sum of its parts. SFAM is my all time favorite album, but it's not one of the two albums where every song made the list (three if you count ACOS since the covers aren't options). I also awarded points to my list (100 for 1st place etc...) and came up with some basic stats and there are three albums that place higher that Scenes looking at either average points per number of songs on the list or average points per total number of songs on the album (though not the same three in both cases). Nonetheless, SFAM as a whole album experience is just special for me. TA on the other hand, is not something I listen to from start to finish very often. It's bloated and god are the lyrics/overall story cheesy to the point of being cringe. That said, when I took a lot of the songs in isolation I was able to enjoy them a lot more as single serving 4-6 minute experiences versus being one of many in a 2 hour plus listening marathon. Also, JLB straight up rules on TA. Anyway, that's how one of my least favorite DT albums ended up with a dozen songs making the list.
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My list sums up some interesting stats, like the difference between the Portnoy-era (74) and Mangini-era (26), although I do love Mangini and became Dream Theater-aware in his day and age. Figured it would be much closer, but from - and I do consider it a masterpiece - A Dramatic Turn of Events only 5 songs made the list. The Astonishing trowed two songs in the basket and then there's that fact that the era's are 10 to 5 studioalbums, which is a huge difference.
I wonder if there would be one list where the Mangini-era is at least 50 songs in.
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I wonder if there would be one list where the Mangini-era is at least 50 songs in.
Mine has a 56 MP / 44 MM split
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My split is 68/32, pretty much perfectly lines up with the 10/5 split of released albums. Though I guess technically I should expect MP to have more representation since his era also had ACOS and pretty much all of the material on the master list that wasn't an official release.
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Mine appears to be 77 MP / 23 MM.
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Well, I'm not going to spotlight my list, but take The Walking Shadow. It has a wicked King Diamond vibe, and I find it way more interesting than...say..Constant Motion.
There is a good reason for that.
The Walking Shadow is a good song, while Constant Motion is a bad song wrapped around a somewhat interesting solo section.
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Sent!
My split was 72 MP / 28 MM
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Just sent my list.
Breakdown by era: MP/MM 60/40
Breakdown by album:
WDADU: 6
IaW: 8
Awake: 11
A Change of Seasons: 1
FII: 5
Scenes: 11
Six Degrees: 5
ToT: 8
Octavarium: 4
Systematic Chaos: 2
BCSL: 2
ADTOE: 8
DT12: 7
TA: 13
DoT: 6
AVotTotW: 4
When re-listening to the whole catalog, I found that I liked most of the stuff about the same as before. But The Astonishing really clicked for me this time and got a huge bump as a result. The same for DT12 and, to lesser extent, ADTOE (I already liked this one a lot).
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Just sent my list.
Breakdown by era: MP/MM 60/40
Breakdown by album:
WDADU: 6
IaW: 8
Awake: 11
A Change of Seasons: 1
FII: 5
Scenes: 11
Six Degrees: 5
ToT: 8
Octavarium: 4
Systematic Chaos: 2
BCSL: 2
ADTOE: 8
DT12: 7
TA: 13
DoT: 6
AVotTotW: 4
Check you've not made a mistake with your list because there's only 7 songs on Train of Thought, and although I only did a quick add-up in my head, I'm pretty sure you've got 101 songs there.
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Just sent my list.
Breakdown by era: MP/MM 60/40
Breakdown by album:
WDADU: 6
IaW: 8
Awake: 11
A Change of Seasons: 1
FII: 5
Scenes: 11
Six Degrees: 5
ToT: 8
Octavarium: 4
Systematic Chaos: 2
BCSL: 2
ADTOE: 8
DT12: 7
TA: 13
DoT: 6
AVotTotW: 4
Check you've not made a mistake with your list because there's only 7 songs on Train of Thought, and although I only did a quick add-up in my head, I'm pretty sure you've got 101 songs there.
As I Am was on the list twice because it's so good.
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Just sent my list.
Breakdown by era: MP/MM 60/40
Breakdown by album:
WDADU: 6
IaW: 8
Awake: 11
A Change of Seasons: 1
FII: 5
Scenes: 11
Six Degrees: 5
ToT: 8
Octavarium: 4
Systematic Chaos: 2
BCSL: 2
ADTOE: 8
DT12: 7
TA: 13
DoT: 6
AVotTotW: 4
Check you've not made a mistake with your list because there's only 7 songs on Train of Thought, and although I only did a quick add-up in my head, I'm pretty sure you've got 101 songs there.
Jeez just calling him out in public... :lol
I just checked, the list Animal sent only has 100 songs :)
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Doing my list now; the great thing about the ranker is it makes you decide between two songs that I never in a million years would have ever compared with each other (in my case, Another Won and Enigma Machine).
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Doing my list now; the great thing about the ranker is it makes you decide between two songs that I never in a million years would have ever compared with each other (in my case, Another Won and Enigma Machine).
Which was easily won by Another Won, I pressume.
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Doing my list now; the great thing about the ranker is it makes you decide between two songs that I never in a million years would have ever compared with each other (in my case, Another Won and Enigma Machine).
That was me staring at The Silent Man vs This Dying Soul :lol
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My split was 70 MP / 30 MM
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I'm either doing my Astonishing listen around this time tomorrow or Friday........I may post my thoughts in The Astonishing thread, as opposed to clogging this thread. To be honest, it won't be anything special. I don't want to go in with the thinking of dogging the shit out of it to entertain the audience, I want to be respectful to those that love it. I'll do my top 100 but need to do some listening all across the board to be fair, including TA.
I'm listening to A View right now actually and I'm coming to terms with it and mildly enjoying it. The Alien isn't a highlight but gets nicer to listen to each time, even though I don't think it's top tier DT.
Actually, I might do my listen tomorrow, around 9am-10am my time. So about 23 hours from now.
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Unfortunately, Invisible Monster is still quite shit.
One day, I'll understand the hype for SG too.....
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Unfortunately, Invisible Monster is still quite shit.
One day, I'll understand the hype for SG too.....
Still not a fan of Invisible Monster, either.
I've had about six or seven Astonishing songs already and they all seem to start awesome, then about halfway in they veer off on a tangent. I get it's a concept album and you follow the plot, but they're awesome MUSIC, but not really awesome SONGS, if that makes sense.
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Unfortunately, Invisible Monster is still quite shit.
One day, I'll understand the hype for SG too.....
Still not a fan of Invisible Monster, either.
I've had about six or seven Astonishing songs already and they all seem to start awesome, then about halfway in they veer off on a tangent. I get it's a concept album and you follow the plot, but they're awesome MUSIC, but not really awesome SONGS, if that makes sense.
It's not a great song. I just can't get the love for SG or ATM, simply don't see it. The title track however has become quite excellent.
I'm looking forward to the Astonishing listen to be honest. I have zero expectations so you never know.
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I wasn't keen on View when it first came out and after the first few listens I didn't listen to it for well over a year. But it's since become one of my favourite DT albums, and only narrowly behind ADTOE as my favourite of the MM era. I don't know how or why but the whole thing just connected with me very deeply over time, it has a hopeful and encouraging energy that I've needed of late.
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I wasn't keen on View when it first came out and after the first few listens I didn't listen to it for well over a year. But it's since become one of my favourite DT albums, and only narrowly behind ADTOE as my favourite of the MM era. I don't know how or why but the whole thing just connected with me very deeply over time, it has a hopeful and encouraging energy that I've needed of late.
I can see that.
ADTOE is another one I'll be revisiting. I never took to it at all. I've tried a few times and I always come out of it underwhelmed. Again, another I don't see the hype about.
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Unfortunately, Invisible Monster is still quite shit.
One day, I'll understand the hype for SG too.....
Still not a fan of Invisible Monster, either.
I've had about six or seven Astonishing songs already and they all seem to start awesome, then about halfway in they veer off on a tangent. I get it's a concept album and you follow the plot, but they're awesome MUSIC, but not really awesome SONGS, if that makes sense.
It's not a great song. I just can't get the love for SG or ATM, simply don't see it. The title track however has become quite excellent.
I'm looking forward to the Astonishing listen to be honest. I have zero expectations so you never know.
The album will still fail to meet them.
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Unfortunately, Invisible Monster is still quite shit.
One day, I'll understand the hype for SG too.....
Still not a fan of Invisible Monster, either.
I've had about six or seven Astonishing songs already and they all seem to start awesome, then about halfway in they veer off on a tangent. I get it's a concept album and you follow the plot, but they're awesome MUSIC, but not really awesome SONGS, if that makes sense.
It's not a great song. I just can't get the love for SG or ATM, simply don't see it. The title track however has become quite excellent.
I'm looking forward to the Astonishing listen to be honest. I have zero expectations so you never know.
The album will still fail to meet them.
:lol
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I wasn't keen on View when it first came out and after the first few listens I didn't listen to it for well over a year. But it's since become one of my favourite DT albums, and only narrowly behind ADTOE as my favourite of the MM era. I don't know how or why but the whole thing just connected with me very deeply over time, it has a hopeful and encouraging energy that I've needed of late.
I can see that.
ADTOE is another one I'll be revisiting. I never took to it at all. I've tried a few times and I always come out of it underwhelmed. Again, another I don't see the hype about.
ADTOE has what I consider my favorite Mangini-era song, so there's that to look forward to ("This Is The Life").
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I wasn't keen on View when it first came out and after the first few listens I didn't listen to it for well over a year. But it's since become one of my favourite DT albums, and only narrowly behind ADTOE as my favourite of the MM era. I don't know how or why but the whole thing just connected with me very deeply over time, it has a hopeful and encouraging energy that I've needed of late.
I can see that.
ADTOE is another one I'll be revisiting. I never took to it at all. I've tried a few times and I always come out of it underwhelmed. Again, another I don't see the hype about.
This one surprised me the most when ranking all the songs. I never took to it either, but listening to.each song individually and rating it on it's own merits definitely helped. I actually prefer it over quite a few albums that are considered DT favourites.
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Just a heads up that there are 10 days left to submit a list. If you've sent me a list and haven't heard back from me that means I just haven't gotten a chance to put your list in the tracker, I'm slowly going through the lists :)
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I noticed I don't save my outgoing messages, but I'm quite sure I sent you my list :D
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I haven't sent yet and we've got a complete shitshow going on at work so at this point I'm not even sure I'll be in. Might just throw whatever songs in the ranker and submit it after one go.
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I'm working on mine now. By the way, have we discussed yet whether SDOIT should be one song or broken into pieces? ;) :) :)
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I'm working on mine now. By the way, have we discussed yet whether SDOIT should be one song or broken into pieces? ;) :) :)
>:(
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I'm working on mine now. By the way, have we discussed yet whether SDOIT should be one song or broken into pieces? ;) :) :)
Surprisingly we have not! We got too distracted talking about how Schiff isn't a liar.
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I'm working on mine now. By the way, have we discussed yet whether SDOIT should be one song or broken into pieces? ;) :) :)
Surprisingly we have not! We got too distracted talking about how Schiff isn't a liar.
And whether Die Hard is a Christmas movie.
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Does anyone else's copy of Pull Me Under have an abrupt ending?
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I'm working on mine now. By the way, have we discussed yet whether SDOIT should be one song or broken into pieces? ;) :) :)
Surprisingly we have not! We got too distracted talking about how Schiff isn't a liar.
You know, that would be funnier if anyone actually DID respond to it with any substance. ;) :)
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I'm working on mine now. By the way, have we discussed yet whether SDOIT should be one song or broken into pieces? ;) :) :)
Surprisingly we have not! We got too distracted talking about how Schiff isn't a liar.
You know, that would be funnier if anyone actually DID respond to it with any substance. ;) :)
Not the correct venue for that kind of substance.
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I'm working on mine now. By the way, have we discussed yet whether SDOIT should be one song or broken into pieces? ;) :) :)
Surprisingly we have not! We got too distracted talking about how Schiff isn't a liar.
You know, that would be funnier if anyone actually DID respond to it with any substance. ;) :)
Not the correct venue for that kind of substance.
Understood and agreed; just making an observation in the spirit of the conversation.
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I'm working on mine now. By the way, have we discussed yet whether SDOIT should be one song or broken into pieces? ;) :) :)
Surprisingly we have not! We got too distracted talking about how Schiff isn't a liar.
You know, that would be funnier if anyone actually DID respond to it with any substance. ;) :)
Not the correct venue for that kind of substance.
Understood and agreed; just making an observation in the spirit of the conversation.
Sorry, I've just seen that particular debate, at a rough estimate, 17,000 times over the years lol
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I'm working on mine now. By the way, have we discussed yet whether SDOIT should be one song or broken into pieces? ;) :) :)
Surprisingly we have not! We got too distracted talking about how Schiff isn't a liar.
You know, that would be funnier if anyone actually DID respond to it with any substance. ;) :)
Not the correct venue for that kind of substance.
Understood and agreed; just making an observation in the spirit of the conversation.
Sorry, I've just seen that particular debate, at a rough estimate, 17,000 times over the years lol
Do you have a link? Because I missed it; I usually get silence when it's brought up. :)
Back on thread; I'm going through and while I don't have to do it for every song, there are songs I listen to while making the choice, and MAN. What a consistent catalogue. I'm frankly amazed how little of this sounds either dated or of it's time (not the same thing) or that doesn't resonate in some way still today. Solid. I'll be comfortable in my Top 20, but honestly, I'm glad I'm ranking the whole list, because I don't think I could have just left 40 songs aside before any real comparison.
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I'm working on mine now. By the way, have we discussed yet whether SDOIT should be one song or broken into pieces? ;) :) :)
For everyone that mentions SDOIT being multiple songs I'm going to replace their vote with Barry Manilow's smash hit "Copacabana"
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I'm working on mine now. By the way, have we discussed yet whether SDOIT should be one song or broken into pieces? ;) :) :)
Surprisingly we have not! We got too distracted talking about how Schiff isn't a liar.
You know, that would be funnier if anyone actually DID respond to it with any substance. ;) :)
Not the correct venue for that kind of substance.
Understood and agreed; just making an observation in the spirit of the conversation.
Sorry, I've just seen that particular debate, at a rough estimate, 17,000 times over the years lol
Do you have a link? Because I missed it; I usually get silence when it's brought up. :)
This should be a relevant link for that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD7OdyY1js4
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I'm working on mine now. By the way, have we discussed yet whether SDOIT should be one song or broken into pieces? ;) :) :)
For everyone that mentions SDOIT being multiple songs I'm going to replace their vote with Barry Manilow's smash hit "Copacabana"
This is the way.
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And under the moonlit sky wolfking is in a heartbreaking struggle, competing to see which 66 tracks he will add to the already certain top 34 of The Astonishing...
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My split for MP/MM albums is 81 for MP, 19 for MM.
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And under the moonlit sky wolfking is in a heartbreaking struggle, competing to see which 66 tracks he will add to the already certain top 34 of The Astonishing...
:lol
So I think I'll just amend my old list. Moment of Betrayal will definitely make it, just need to figure out where.
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And under the moonlit sky wolfking is in a heartbreaking struggle, competing to see which 66 tracks he will add to the already certain top 34 of The Astonishing...
:lol
So I think I'll just amend my old list. Moment of Betrayal will definitely make it, just need to figure out where.
99 - just ahead of Forsaken
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I cannot believe my #5 is what it is. It came out that way through the ranker, it didn't look right on my spreadsheet, yet I couldn't justify moving any song above it. But I look at the list and think "No way that is my 5th favorite DT song!"
I need to stop looking at this list and send it.
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I'm working on mine now. By the way, have we discussed yet whether SDOIT should be one song or broken into pieces? ;) :) :)
For everyone that mentions SDOIT being multiple songs I'm going to replace their vote with Barry Manilow's smash hit "Copacabana"
I mean, I disagree but hey! At least it's better than anything on The Astonishing :biggrin:
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I cannot believe my #5 is what it is. It came out that way through the ranker, it didn't look right on my spreadsheet, yet I couldn't justify moving any song above it. But I look at the list and think "No way that is my 5th favorite DT song!"
I need to stop looking at this list and send it.
Raw Dog does get a bad wrap mate so don't beat yourself up too much.
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And under the moonlit sky wolfking is in a heartbreaking struggle, competing to see which 66 tracks he will add to the already certain top 34 of The Astonishing...
:lol
So I think I'll just amend my old list. Moment of Betrayal will definitely make it, just need to figure out where.
99 - just ahead of Forsaken
Forsaken deserves higher. Moment of Betrayal actually might also......
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I am one of the very few Forsaken-lovers. Really like it...
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I am one of the very few Forsaken-lovers. Really like it...
Forsaken done live was like a bagillion times better than the studio version.
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Agreed.
Two other recurring themes from the ranking:
- There are a SHIT TON of songs on The Astonishing; it seems like every other choice is between a song and an Astonishing song;
- Whoever (here) said "The Astonishing" is James' finest hour (did anyone actually say that?) was spot on. He sings his balls off on that record;
- Whoever (in the band) said "huh, channeling Muse will be a good idea!" was delirious. I've said before that the DT catalogue is REMARKABLY timeless, and it is, even with the subtle stylistic changes throughout the years (moving away from that very early QR-like sound) but those songs that have that Muse inflection to the vocals really stand out as "of their time", and not in a good way (IMO).
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And one of the two is Stockholm Syndrome anyway......
(Btw, always agreed that James is wonderful on The Astonishing!!!)
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not part of the countdown, but I was listening to "Answering The Call" and it kept playing to the next song on the list which is "Any Colour You Like" from the Officical Bootleg. I forgot how friggin' good Jordan's solo was on that song. May be the highlight of the cover set for me.
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not part of the countdown, but I was listening to "Answering The Call" and it kept playing to the next song on the list which is "Any Colour You Like" from the Officical Bootleg. I forgot how friggin' good Jordan's solo was on that song. May be the highlight of the cover set for me.
And, he played half of it standing on the wrong side of his keyboard! What a brain that man has...
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not part of the countdown, but I was listening to "Answering The Call" and it kept playing to the next song on the list which is "Any Colour You Like" from the Officical Bootleg. I forgot how friggin' good Jordan's solo was on that song. May be the highlight of the cover set for me.
And, he played half of it standing on the wrong side of his keyboard! What a brain that man has...
Yep! Highlight of the DVD for me.
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- Whoever (in the band) said "huh, channeling Muse will be a good idea!" was delirious. I've said before that the DT catalogue is REMARKABLY timeless, and it is, even with the subtle stylistic changes throughout the years (moving away from that very early QR-like sound) but those songs that have that Muse inflection to the vocals really stand out as "of their time", and not in a good way (IMO).
Never Enough is a top 20 song for me :lol
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I am one of the very few Forsaken-lovers. Really like it...
It will rate pretty high for me.
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I am one of the very few Forsaken-lovers. Really like it...
It will rate pretty high for me.
Me too.
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It's definitely around the 50 mark for me, but I love Systematic Chaos so...
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I haven't finished my ranking yet (I started awhile back, but lost it part way through the ranker), so I don't know the exact number. I suspect it will be somewhere in the second quartile (26-50). Which is pretty good consider that, since it's DT, I REALLY like all the songs in the upper half.
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I don't have it wicked high, but I was never not going to have Forsaken on my list.
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Outside the 100 for me. Evanescence aren't very good. And neither is Forsaken.
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Trying to think of how to make it a little more interesting during the countdown other than saying “yup good song”. I think I will keep track of the songs where I am the highest ranker to see if there is a common denominator. If I had to guess it might “more prog and melody than metal” or “Mangini-era song”.
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Forsakens main riff is pretty standard and generic but it's so chunky and its simplicity is part of its charm.
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I tried really hard to put it in there. It seems a late addition from TA (thanks KADE!) may bump it out.
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Forsakens main riff is pretty standard and generic but it's so chunky and its simplicity is part of its charm.
It is, the only problem I have with Forsaken is that there are around 80 other really, really good songs batteling for the top 25. So it ended up in the 80-range. Unbelievable how good their discography is.
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No more of this procrastination paralyzing me and wanting me dead, I'm getting this marathon done and I will dedicate lengthy listening sessions over the next few days.
For some reason I was worried that Octavarium wouldn't hold up as well as it used to. Not in that I wouldn't like it as much, but rather that the songs wouldn't be as resonant to me as they once were. I'm very happy to report that this fear was completely unfounded and I think I've enjoyed every song on this album more than I ever have. Even the title track, which has been one of the greatest songs I've ever known since the first time I heard it, has proven to be a greater listening experience than any other time I've done so before.
Ranking this album's songs alone, nevermind their positions in the Top 100, is difficult. I know what's in 1st and what's in 7th and 8th, but everything in-between is so equally good that this is the first time in a long time I've been tempted to give something a tie (let alone a 5-way tie). Of course I'll not be doing that, but I hope I can figure out an order I'm satisfied with.
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I tried really hard to put it in there. It seems a late addition from TA (thanks KADE!) may bump it out.
The title track? ;D
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I tried really hard to put it in there. It seems a late addition from TA (thanks KADE!) may bump it out.
The title track? ;D
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Forsakens main riff is pretty standard and generic but it's so chunky and its simplicity is part of its charm.
It is, the only problem I have with Forsaken is that there are around 80 other really, really good songs batteling for the top 25. So it ended up in the 80-range. Unbelievable how good their discography is.
This is the truth. List isn't done yet, but I'm guessing spots 30 through 70 will be virtually interchangeable.
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Forsakens main riff is pretty standard and generic but it's so chunky and its simplicity is part of its charm.
It is, the only problem I have with Forsaken is that there are around 80 other really, really good songs batteling for the top 25. So it ended up in the 80-range. Unbelievable how good their discography is.
This is the truth. List isn't done yet, but I'm guessing spots 30 through 70 will be virtually interchangeable.
Again why I come back to the struggle to understand the time and thought processes people put into their lists, but to each their own.
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Added my list. Gosh that was difficult!
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I sent mine too. :tup
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Again why I come back to the struggle to understand the time and thought processes people put into their lists, but to each their own.
You mean to say it's pointless anyway, or am I mistaken you? Most of all the process and outcome is interesting (to me), but yeah, a final list that stands out as 'done' may never come. Each approach will slightly differ.
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Without the online calculator, I would have never bothered with this, for sure.
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Again why I come back to the struggle to understand the time and thought processes people put into their lists, but to each their own.
You mean to say it's pointless anyway, or am I mistaken you? Most of all the process and outcome is interesting (to me), but yeah, a final list that stands out as 'done' may never come. Each approach will slightly differ.
I'm not saying it's pointless. We all have our part in making the final 100 what it is, what I'm saying is, agonising over decisions like should Forsaken be at rank 70 or 60 will have minimal impact on the outcome. I think most would be fine in taking a more casual and less time consuming approach without it changing a lot of what the final outcome of the songs would be.
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Anyway, I've been doing some listening in prep for my list and thought I'd get out two of my least played albums, ADTOE and SC. Never really been a big fan of either. Some thoughts;
ADTOE
Angels: You know what, I really enjoyed this. Much better than I used to think of it. This will probably rank a bit higher than my first list. I was always underwhelmed with the chorus but I thought this time around it was excellent.
Build: Never had an issue with this song, it's fine. That opinion still stands.
Lost: Jeez, they did listen to UAGM a lot when writing this one hey. Meh, it's fine, another one that never bowled me over. Killer solo.
Life: Another I didn't see the hype in. It was better this time but not by much. Still don't fully get it. The start of JPs solo is amazing though.
Bridges: Yeah, this is good. Always been a highlight. I love that Home inspired shorter instrumental section too. Great chorus.
Outcry: Could be my sneaky fav on the album. That chorus is sensational and a balls out extra long instrumental section which I'm okay with.
Heaven: Amazing. Found more appreciation of this too. This is beautiful. James is incredible here.
Illusions: I love the intro but this song I always drift until the chorus. The chorus is incredible though and a very good solo. That Far From Heaven reprise at the end is so good. Always was 50/50 on the hype this one got.
Surface: Nah, never liked this one personally.
SC
ITPOE1: This should have been one song. I never understood. The instrumental intro is pretty cool.
Forsaken: This is cool, crunchy and groovy, why the hate?
CM: I never realised how fucking terrible this song is. The Metallica influence makes me laugh and the solo section is wasted on this song. Will rank lower than the first list.
TDEN: Always liked this one personally. Killer outro.
Repentance: What a snoozefest and a major speedbump in the 12SS.
POW: You know, this really isn't that bad.
TMOLS: I drifted in this one. Didn't like it as much as I thought I used too. Might need another listen.
Enemies2: Again, this would rank so much higher if it were a single 25 minute piece. Splitting it hurt it big time. This was way better than I remember though. That part after the Heretic section is fucking unreal.
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I thought the same of Repentance... but the remembered MP's purpose behind this - I remember during the hype for the album release, his commentary was that they needed this kind of break/pause/mellow track for when they performed the entirety of the 12 step suite - that there was no way they could do 60 straight minutes of high intensity pounding metal. I think it suits for that purpose, but as a standalone song, it's a quick pass for me.
PoW ... I really loved it when it came out, but it has not aged well. The main descending riff is awesome, but the rest of the song (especially the drum rhythm) is cringey.
CM on the other hand, aged a bit better - listening to it a couple of weeks ago, I almost enjoyed it (except for random thought of neat disorder :lolpalm:).
BMUBMD is still trash; as is LNF
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I understand the reasoning behind Repentance. But that doesn't make it any easier to sit through.
LNF being trash is an interesting take.
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BMUBMD is still trash; as is LNF
Couldn't agree more. I could only fill one hand with bad songs in their entire discography, but these two and a couple from Falling Into Infinity will surely take a finger. The only songs I'll ever skip.
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I'm not saying it's pointless. We all have our part in making the final 100 what it is, what I'm saying is, agonising over decisions like should Forsaken be at rank 70 or 60 will have minimal impact on the outcome. I think most would be fine in taking a more casual and less time consuming approach without it changing a lot of what the final outcome of the songs would be.
I see, thanks. I've spend quite some time on this list but indeed, a song at place 65 could also be 70th or so. But to me it's even harder to rank the albums. That I just can't do, it changes constantly, due to circumstances and emotions.
The hardest song to me in this top 100 list though, was the title track from A View.
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Funny how everyone’s tastes vary, I’m a metal guy like wolfking but my views on those 2 albums are quite different. To me Far From Heaven is the clunky failure while those other 2 ballads are top 5 DT ballad territory along with Surrounded, Lifting Shadows, and Disappear; and of course Breaking All Illusions is in my top 10.
As for SC, Repentance is easily the best song, the only one with genuine emotion and heartfelt lyrics (the ending IS too long though). I can’t dislike CM, it’s my most headbangable DT song with killer riffs and drumming and an amazing solo section. ITPOE, TDEN, and especially POW I all despise.
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Funny how everyone’s tastes vary, I’m a metal guy like wolfking but my views on those 2 albums are quite different. To me Far From Heaven is the clunky failure while those other 2 ballads are top 5 DT ballad territory along with Surrounded, Lifting Shadows, and Disappear; and of course Breaking All Illusions is in my top 10.
As for SC, Repentance is easily the best song, the only one with genuine emotion and heartfelt lyrics (the ending IS too long though). I can’t dislike CM, it’s my most headbangable DT song with killer riffs and drumming and an amazing solo section. ITPOE, TDEN, and especially POW I all despise.
I agree that TDEN and PoW are both terrible, but ItPoE is amazing and Repentance is a big fat meh-burger. CM is ok.
I actually edited ItPoE into 1 track on my version of Systematic Chaos as the closing track and moved Constant Motion to the beginning of the album.
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Funny how everyone’s tastes vary, I’m a metal guy like wolfking but my views on those 2 albums are quite different. To me Far From Heaven is the clunky failure while those other 2 ballads are top 5 DT ballad territory along with Surrounded, Lifting Shadows, and Disappear; and of course Breaking All Illusions is in my top 10.
As for SC, Repentance is easily the best song, the only one with genuine emotion and heartfelt lyrics (the ending IS too long though). I can’t dislike CM, it’s my most headbangable DT song with killer riffs and drumming and an amazing solo section. ITPOE, TDEN, and especially POW I all despise.
I agree that TDEN and PoW are both terrible, but ItPoE is amazing and Repentance is a big fat meh-burger. CM is ok.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEdv6sy3ulljPMGdy/giphy.gif)
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I love Prophets Of War and TDEN.
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I actually edited ItPoE into 1 track on my version of Systematic Chaos as the closing track and moved Constant Motion to the beginning of the album.
I think that would have made the album a lot better.
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Who doesn't love TDEN? Such a fun song with cool riffs everywhere.
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SDOIT was the play this morning on my long run. I know this album well but why not;
TGP: Still a top DT for me, just killer from start to finish.
BF: As above, love it. The 'still life pushes on' section has always been probably a top 5 DT moment for me, incredible.
Misunderstood: I think I got some more appreciation for this one this morning. I don't have headphones so just listen through the phone which made James' vocals more prominent. I really listened to the lyrics and fuck they hit me. I can relate to them at this point in time. I love the solo and the outro too. This will go up in my rankings I think.
TGD: This one has actually hasn't aged that well for me. I loved it when the album came out. I thought the whole 'Tool' novelty was cool but I think the sampling could have been chopped but this probably will drop in the rankings a little. Still a good listen.
Disappear: I was always on the fence with this one. I like it but never loved it. That still stands.
SDOIT: I went through this with Alesandro's thread, so only listened to this a couple of weeks ago. It's actually growing me to be honest. It might rank better than before, not sure yet. SS gave me some chills in the lyric department too. I still think the band 'failed' at the attempt to make this a single song, but we've had that discussion a thousand times over already.
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Who doesn't love TDEN? Such a fun song with cool riffs everywhere.
I think the chorus is really clever. The way is resolves it really cool. That ending section is balls out too, killer riff.
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“Balls out” is not always a good thing.
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“Balls out” is not always a good thing.
Depends who you ask I guess.
I just mean tough, chunky and meaty, just a killer breakdown.
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Who doesn't love TDEN? Such a fun song with cool riffs everywhere.
Am I in the minority in thinking it pisses all over every song on Train of Thought?!
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Who doesn't love TDEN? Such a fun song with cool riffs everywhere.
Am I in the minority in thinking it pisses all over every song on Train of Thought?!
I have TDEN, Endless Sacrifice, and This Dying Soul all within 9 spots on my list, and they're pretty high.
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I have just never connected with a single song on ToT. I have no idea why, and even though every song on the album makes my top 100, they are all relatively low.
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I have just never connected with a single song on ToT. I have no idea why, and even though every song on the album makes my top 100, they are all relatively low.
The songs have so much more life on Live At Budokan. I actually consider Train Of Thought somewhat unlistenable.
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Who doesn't love TDEN? Such a fun song with cool riffs everywhere.
Am I in the minority in thinking it pisses all over every song on Train of Thought?!
I have TDEN, Endless Sacrifice, and This Dying Soul all within 9 spots on my list, and they're pretty high.
Hell yeah, Endless SackOfRice is a high ranking for me as well, and love the other two.
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Two songs from ToT will crack my Top 10
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A few TOT songs will definitely be high on my list.
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No Train of Thought songs in my Top 10, but This Dying Soul did reach my Top 20. Most of the songs on there are in my Top 50 (as of adding ADTOE songs to my ranking), Vacant will likely make the Top 100 and Honor Thy Father is still at the very bottom of my list. At this point, though, HTF definitely wouldn't be my least favorite DT song if it weren't for the spoken word section and last chorus. It probably wouldn't make my Top 100 but it'd probably be about 10 spots higher.
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I gotta believe I will be the one who ranks Endless Sacrifice the highest.
TDEN is garbage, mainly due to the ridiculous vocals.
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I gotta believe I will be the one who ranks Endless Sacrifice the highest.
We'll see, I believe I placed it top 10.
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I gotta believe I will be the one who ranks Endless Sacrifice the highest.
TDEN is garbage, mainly due to the ridiculous vocals.
That’s the only song from SC that I actually like!
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I gotta believe I will be the one who ranks Endless Sacrifice the highest.
(https://media.tenor.com/lsthtE56Sg4AAAAC/challenge-accepted-youre-on.gif)
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Oh my, the Endless Sacrifice fans are representing! Let's go!
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I checked and it did make top 10, we in here woo woo
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I gotta believe I will be the one who ranks Endless Sacrifice the highest.
TDEN is garbage, mainly due to the ridiculous vocals.
The Dance of Eternity's vocals are fabulously fun and playful. That's why I rank it comparitively highly.
Edit: I meant The Dark Eternal Night. Oops.
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List submitted. Thanks to Kay for running this :tup
Album breakdown:
WPAPU - 7
I&W - 8
Awake - 11
FII - 8
CotC - 5
SFAM - 10
6DOIT - 6
ToT - 6
8vm - 8
SC - 4
BC&SL - 4
ADTOE - 6
S/T - 6
TA - 3
DoT - 6
Others - 2
KM Era - 28
DS Era - 11
JR Era - 61
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KM Era - 28
DS Era - 11
JR Era - 61
Wow!
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KM Era - 28
DS Era - 11
JR Era - 61
Wow!
It's easy when the last two albums only have 3 entries. Also, remember that Cleaning out the Closet is 1/2 Moore; 1/2 Sherinian. And actually it should be 12, since I put ACOS in the "others" category.
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KM Era - 28
DS Era - 11
JR Era - 61
Wow!
It's easy when the last two albums only have 3 entries. Also, remember that Cleaning out the Closet is 1/2 Moore; 1/2 Sherinian. And actually it should be 12, since I put ACOS in the "others" category.
That's still a lot of Sherinian.
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KM Era - 28
DS Era - 11
JR Era - 61
Wow!
It's easy when the last two albums only have 3 entries. Also, remember that Cleaning out the Closet is 1/2 Moore; 1/2 Sherinian. And actually it should be 12, since I put ACOS in the "others" category.
That's still a lot of Sherinian.
Astonishing, isn't it!?
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We're in the endgame now. Started my final full 100 listen before I submit.
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I am too; but I think I broke the Ranker. I had to pick between "Losing Faythe" and "Lord Nafaryus" and it locked up. ;). (I hate both those songs on principle).
EDIT: So I'm done. I'm going to sleep on it, but holy shit, I have a song at #36, and I'm like "that's a top 10 song; there's no f-ing way this is 36" and yet, I looked at every single song above it and I can't find ONE SONG to move down. I know we're all fans, and blah blah blah, but I haven't had this much trouble with a list yet.
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I am too; but I think I broke the Ranker. I had to pick between "Losing Faythe" and "Lord Nafaryus" and it locked up. ;). (I hate both those songs on principle).
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I am too; but I think I broke the Ranker. I had to pick between "Losing Faythe" and "Lord Nafaryus" and it locked up. ;). (I hate both those songs on principle).
Your first mistake was including them in the ranker to begin with. I conducted two rounds of filtering before hitting the ranker. The first effort got my list down to 134 songs; second effort got it down to 102.
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I am too; but I think I broke the Ranker. I had to pick between "Losing Faythe" and "Lord Nafaryus" and it locked up. ;). (I hate both those songs on principle).
Your first mistake was including them in the ranker to begin with. I conducted two rounds of filtering before hitting the ranker. The first effort got my list down to 134 songs; second effort got it down to 102.
My cutdown was to 122.
Then I ranked them by eye in groups of 20..
so..1-20
21-40...etc
So I did five rankings of only 20 songs each.
I did some manual adjustments from there before I sent.
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I am too; but I think I broke the Ranker. I had to pick between "Losing Faythe" and "Lord Nafaryus" and it locked up. ;). (I hate both those songs on principle).
For what it's worth, one doesn't need principles to hate these; they just need common sense musical taste. :lol :lol
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Did the ranker a couple of days ago and finally looking at the result. I'm pretty okay with it. Have swapped a few glaringly obvious ones around but I don't think much more needs to be done. My number 1 which had been set for the longest time might be getting knocked off its perch though. Not sure yet.
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I'm really coming around to ITPOE. As a full 26 minute piece, I think this is up there with DT's best. What an amazing epic. I never really gave it the time of day but this one has jumped right up. Did a listen of 8VM yesterday too;
TROAE: Great song. Love the reprises, the melodies, just a great continuation of the 12SS.
TALW: I mean, I always thought this should have been placed later in the album. Coming in second didn't do it any favours but for what it is, I can stomach it.
TW: Underrated cut. Love it, will be high up there.
IWBY: I never understood the dislike for this song. I mean, I do but I can't get on board. I love what they did here, even if the intended style and influence is worn on their sleeve. Another song that's in the top half of my list.
PA: Again, appreciate the heavienss coming back in at this point of the album. Never loved it, but certainly never had an issue with it.
NE: Once you get past the Muse love, this is another that's grown nicely on me over time. I really enjoyed it here. I think the chorus is great and the whole feel and groove is really enjoyable. Won't be super high, but has jumped about 30 spots since the last top 100.
SS: I never really cared for this one. Again, I appreciate is slightly more now than what I did but I think it's positioned within the album just right and I do really love elements of it, but as a whole for some reason its always struggled to fully hold my attention.
8VM: uh....yeah, will be high up there, to say the least. What an incredible song. I love this more and more as time goes on.
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All this DT listening over the last couple of days got me excited. While bored I busted out a few quick JP solos. Just recorded directly from the phone, so apologies on the sound, hopefully it's loud enough too. Hopefully you all can see, I always seem to get copyright restrictions in some countries. Not sure how to get around that.
Under a Glass Moon - https://youtu.be/rQVAFQfpq6c
Hollow Years (Budokan version, no wah though) - https://youtu.be/tjkbykB96qg
The Spirit Carries On - https://youtu.be/reqCb0Qd0gQ
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SS: I never really cared for this one. Again, I appreciate is slightly more now than what I did but I think it's positioned within the album just right and I do really love elements of it, but as a whole for some reason its always struggled to fully hold my attention.
I agree. I like it okay enough, but Sacrificed Sons doesn't do all that much for me. Listening to all these songs again, I kinda feel like this is a sort of prototype that was later expanded upon to much greater effect with The Ministry of Lost Souls.
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All this DT listening over the last couple of days got me excited. While bored I busted out a few quick JP solos. Just recorded directly from the phone, so apologies on the sound, hopefully it's loud enough too. Hopefully you all can see, I always seem to get copyright restrictions in some countries. Not sure how to get around that.
Under a Glass Moon - https://youtu.be/rQVAFQfpq6c
Hollow Years (Budokan version, no wah though) - https://youtu.be/tjkbykB96qg
The Spirit Carries On - https://youtu.be/reqCb0Qd0gQ
The UAGM just popped up in my feed!
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SS: I never really cared for this one. Again, I appreciate is slightly more now than what I did but I think it's positioned within the album just right and I do really love elements of it, but as a whole for some reason its always struggled to fully hold my attention.
I agree. I like it okay enough, but Sacrificed Sons doesn't do all that much for me. Listening to all these songs again, I kinda feel like this is a sort of prototype that was later expanded upon to much greater effect with The Ministry of Lost Souls.
Yeah, and somehow TMOLS is even worse.
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All this DT listening over the last couple of days got me excited. While bored I busted out a few quick JP solos. Just recorded directly from the phone, so apologies on the sound, hopefully it's loud enough too. Hopefully you all can see, I always seem to get copyright restrictions in some countries. Not sure how to get around that.
Under a Glass Moon - https://youtu.be/rQVAFQfpq6c
Hollow Years (Budokan version, no wah though) - https://youtu.be/tjkbykB96qg
The Spirit Carries On - https://youtu.be/reqCb0Qd0gQ
The UAGM just popped up in my feed!
Just replied a thanks to your comment too! ;D
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Tim's comment;
The Budokan version turns a bottom 20 song into a top 20 song.
I'm not voting based on that version, but I agree it takes the song to a whole different level. I know we've all discussed the solo in this version to death, but personally, it's a JP highlight for me and just lots of fun to jam out on. Between the shred, there is some really tasty shit going on melodically.
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Tim's comment;
The Budokan version turns a bottom 20 song into a top 20 song.
I'm not voting based on that version, but I agree it takes the song to a whole different level. I know we've all discussed the solo in this version to death, but personally, it's a JP highlight for me and just lots of fun to jam out on. Between the shred, there is some really tasty shit going on melodically.
Yeah, I rated Hollow Years fairly high, and I will make it clear when it's revealed why I voted for it.
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All this DT listening over the last couple of days got me excited. While bored I busted out a few quick JP solos. Just recorded directly from the phone, so apologies on the sound, hopefully it's loud enough too. Hopefully you all can see, I always seem to get copyright restrictions in some countries. Not sure how to get around that.
Under a Glass Moon - https://youtu.be/rQVAFQfpq6c
Hollow Years (Budokan version, no wah though) - https://youtu.be/tjkbykB96qg
The Spirit Carries On - https://youtu.be/reqCb0Qd0gQ
Nice! I liked and subscribed ;)
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All this DT listening over the last couple of days got me excited. While bored I busted out a few quick JP solos. Just recorded directly from the phone, so apologies on the sound, hopefully it's loud enough too. Hopefully you all can see, I always seem to get copyright restrictions in some countries. Not sure how to get around that.
Under a Glass Moon - https://youtu.be/rQVAFQfpq6c
Hollow Years (Budokan version, no wah though) - https://youtu.be/tjkbykB96qg
The Spirit Carries On - https://youtu.be/reqCb0Qd0gQ
You talented bastard
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Cheers lads. Appreciate. :metal
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I went to subscribe, turns out I'd already subscribed! :metal
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All this DT listening over the last couple of days got me excited. While bored I busted out a few quick JP solos. Just recorded directly from the phone, so apologies on the sound, hopefully it's loud enough too. Hopefully you all can see, I always seem to get copyright restrictions in some countries. Not sure how to get around that.
Under a Glass Moon - https://youtu.be/rQVAFQfpq6c
Hollow Years (Budokan version, no wah though) - https://youtu.be/tjkbykB96qg
The Spirit Carries On - https://youtu.be/reqCb0Qd0gQ
You had to pick 3 super easy solo's to cover, eh? :lol
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All this DT listening over the last couple of days got me excited. While bored I busted out a few quick JP solos. Just recorded directly from the phone, so apologies on the sound, hopefully it's loud enough too. Hopefully you all can see, I always seem to get copyright restrictions in some countries. Not sure how to get around that.
Under a Glass Moon - https://youtu.be/rQVAFQfpq6c
Hollow Years (Budokan version, no wah though) - https://youtu.be/tjkbykB96qg
The Spirit Carries On - https://youtu.be/reqCb0Qd0gQ
You had to pick 3 super easy solo's to cover, eh? :lol
Go hard or go home mate!
To be fair though, when we're talking about JP, yes, I think they may actually be on the easier side of things. :lol
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I went to subscribe, turns out I'd already subscribed! :metal
:metal
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I question the sanity of anyone who had Hollow years in their top 100 at all, and that includes the Budokan version.
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I question the sanity of anyone who had Hollow years in their top 100 at all, and that includes the Budokan version.
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Its ok Bosk, we all have our own little massive fails. At least we all know one of yours now. :biggrin:
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Mrs. DA was thinking the same thing, since it’s one of her Top Fives
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I question the sanity of anyone who had Hollow years in their top 100 at all, and that includes the Budokan version.
I agree with bosk.
The Spirit Carries On should also be placed that bottom of the list, it's only redeeming quality is that it's almost always played thus giving the perfect opportunity to hit the bar or bathroom.
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Who is Bosk? Is he like, in a movie or something?
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I question the sanity of anyone who had Hollow years in their top 100 at all, and that includes the Budokan version.
I agree with bosk.
The Spirit Carries On should also be placed that bottom of the list, it's only redeeming quality is that it's almost always played thus giving the perfect opportunity to hit the bar or bathroom.
Well, let's not get carried away here. I don't hold the amount of reverence for it that warrants it being a regular staple, but it's not quite piss break material.
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All this DT listening over the last couple of days got me excited. While bored I busted out a few quick JP solos. Just recorded directly from the phone, so apologies on the sound, hopefully it's loud enough too. Hopefully you all can see, I always seem to get copyright restrictions in some countries. Not sure how to get around that.
Under a Glass Moon - https://youtu.be/rQVAFQfpq6c
Hollow Years (Budokan version, no wah though) - https://youtu.be/tjkbykB96qg
The Spirit Carries On - https://youtu.be/reqCb0Qd0gQ
Fuck me. Life's unfair :biggrin: Amazing playing! Is that JP's old Ibanez I spy?
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I'm really coming around to ITPOE. As a full 26 minute piece, I think this is up there with DT's best. What an amazing epic. I never really gave it the time of day but this one has jumped right up.
It's an awesome tune. Love it.
I especially love the Chaos In Motion version where in the middle, MP basically counts in the rest of the song solo.
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Tim's comment;
The Budokan version turns a bottom 20 song into a top 20 song.
I'm not voting based on that version, but I agree it takes the song to a whole different level. I know we've all discussed the solo in this version to death, but personally, it's a JP highlight for me and just lots of fun to jam out on. Between the shred, there is some really tasty shit going on melodically.
Yeah, I rated Hollow Years fairly high, and I will make it clear when it's revealed why I voted for it.
If we were voting on the Budokan version, it wouldn't have made my top 100. The solo absolutely ruins it for me. Ruins it.
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You get my list, Reap?
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You get my list, Reap?
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Sent mine. I started it a long time ago, but lost the browser window with the ranker and didn't have time to start over. Just got it done. Not surprisingly, my top 5 have not changed in a LONG time.
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I got your lists, I haven't replied yet as I haven't checked them correctness and haven't put them in the master sheet yet. You'll be getting PM's as I do that :)
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We all have our part in making the final 100 what it is, what I'm saying is, agonising over decisions like should Forsaken be at rank 70 or 60 will have minimal impact on the outcome. I think most would be fine in taking a more casual and less time consuming approach without it changing a lot of what the final outcome of the songs would be.
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Welcome to the forum!
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I question the sanity of anyone who had Hollow years in their top 100 at all, and that includes the Budokan version.
:chill :chill :chill
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My list is IN!!!!
WDADU: 1
I&W: 8
Awake: 11
FII: 6
SFAM: 9
SDOIT: 5
TOT: 4
O8: 6
SC: 4
BC&SL: 5
ADTOE: 5
DT13: 7
TA: 11
DOT: 5
AVFTTOTW: 4
Other: 9
Mike Portnoy: 67
Mike Mangini: 33
I will predict now that I am in the running for both the most glaring omission - it wasn't an omission; I made no mistake - and the oddest number one - also not a mistake and I make no apologies.
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I will predict now that I am in the running for both the most glaring omission - it wasn't an omission; I made no mistake - and the oddest number one - also not a mistake and I make no apologies.
Neither of these are predictions as they are likely locks before we even started!
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I question the sanity of anyone who had Hollow years in their top 100 at all, and that includes the Budokan version.
You want us to bow down, just so you can see our asses, Boskaryus?
Kade, what a talented play. My craftbeer Rochefort 10 over here is raised to your skills. Cheers big time.
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I will predict now that I am in the running for both the most glaring omission - it wasn't an omission; I made no mistake - and the oddest number one - also not a mistake and I make no apologies.
No doubt in mind.
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Finally submitted. Whew.
Dream 4
Images 8
Awake 8
Seasons 1
Infinity 6
Scenes 11
Six Degrees 6
Train 7
Octavarium 8
Systematic 6
Black Clouds 6
Dramatic 7
DT 4
Astonishing 5
Distance 7
View 5
Other 1
Mangini 28
Portnoy 72
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MM 29
MP 71
WDADU 3
I&W 8
Awake 9
FII 8
SFAM 10
SDOIT 6
ToT 7
8VM 7
SC 6
BC&SL 4
ADTOE 8
DT12 6
TA 6
DoT 6
View 3
Other 3
My top 10 features 9 different albums.
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All this DT listening over the last couple of days got me excited. While bored I busted out a few quick JP solos. Just recorded directly from the phone, so apologies on the sound, hopefully it's loud enough too. Hopefully you all can see, I always seem to get copyright restrictions in some countries. Not sure how to get around that.
Under a Glass Moon - https://youtu.be/rQVAFQfpq6c
Hollow Years (Budokan version, no wah though) - https://youtu.be/tjkbykB96qg
The Spirit Carries On - https://youtu.be/reqCb0Qd0gQ
Fuck me. Life's unfair :biggrin: Amazing playing! Is that JP's old Ibanez I spy?
Yep, an original authentic JPM100!
I question the sanity of anyone who had Hollow years in their top 100 at all, and that includes the Budokan version.
You want us to bow down, just so you can see our asses, Boskaryus?
Kade, what a talented play. My craftbeer Rochefort 10 over here is raised to your skills. Cheers big time.
Thanks brother.
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We all have our part in making the final 100 what it is, what I'm saying is, agonising over decisions like should Forsaken be at rank 70 or 60 will have minimal impact on the outcome. I think most would be fine in taking a more casual and less time consuming approach without it changing a lot of what the final outcome of the songs would be.
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Welcome to the forum!
Haha. This is a fair response! I asked for that.
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I’m struggling with the lower half of my list as well. I think my top 40 is pretty secure, but everything after that I feel needs some rearranging. But I will have it in before the deadline.
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Finished the self-titled album. All that's left is three listening sessions: The Astonishing, Distance Over Time and AVFTTOTW, and saving the best for last, A Change of Seasons. For the first time ever, ACoS is in a slightly vulnerable position, but if it somehow manages to not be my #1, the lowest it could possibly get on my whole list is #3. But I was worried Octavarium wouldn't rank as high as it used to, and that didn't happen, so there's probably no need for concern.
Back to the self-titled album, most of the songs have slightly lowered in ranking, but a couple of the ones I've not given much attention to have gone up. Behind the Veil is a pretty neat song, I feel like I'd enjoy it more if I listened to it more. Along for the Ride is quite nice. If I can get myself out of this rut I've been in for what feels like forever, I think the lyrics will really resonate with me and I'll think a lot more highly of that song. Surrender to Reason is still buried near the bottom of the list, but I think I "get it" now.
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For the first time ever, ACoS is in a slightly vulnerable position, but if it somehow manages to not be my #1, the lowest it could possibly get on my whole list is #3.
Not ever in my whole lifetime will A Change of Seasons drop out of my top 3.
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For the first time ever, ACoS is in a slightly vulnerable position, but if it somehow manages to not be my #1, the lowest it could possibly get on my whole list is #3.
Not ever in my whole lifetime will A Change of Seasons drop out of my top 3.
It dropped out of my top 10.
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It dropped out of my top 10.
Now, that's dirty.
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You won't want to hear where I placed it then.
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I can't see how my 1-2 will ever not be the two songs they are, and have been for quite a long time. The rest of the top 10 shuffles around a spot or two from time to time, but 1-2 are a lock for the rest of my time on this pale blue dot.
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I can't see how my 1-2 will ever not be the two songs they are, and have been for quite a long time. The rest of the top 10 shuffles around a spot or two from time to time, but 1-2 are a lock for the rest of my time on this pale blue dot.
Nuggetz!!!!!!!
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For the first time ever, ACoS is in a slightly vulnerable position, but if it somehow manages to not be my #1, the lowest it could possibly get on my whole list is #3.
Not ever in my whole lifetime will A Change of Seasons drop out of my top 3.
It dropped out of my top 10.
It is not in my Top 10 either.
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My top 3 have been remarkably consistent over the last, gosh, 20 years at least. Their exact order has occasionally changed, but still those same 3 songs.
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I’m struggling with the lower half of my list as well. I think my top 40 is pretty secure, but everything after that I feel needs some rearranging. But I will have it in before the deadline.
I have run through the ranking process twice, getting ready to start my third. I'm having the same issue - if this was a top 50 I'd be done. I've seen so much variance in the 50-100 spots between ranking 1 and 2 that I'm just going to go with what I get from the third time.
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My top 3 have been remarkably consistent over the last, gosh, 20 years at least. Their exact order has occasionally changed, but still those same 3 songs.
If memory serves, you have excellent taste in that regard.
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My top 3 have been remarkably consistent over the last, gosh, 20 years at least. Their exact order has occasionally changed, but still those same 3 songs.
If memory serves, you have excellent taste in that regard.
If memory serves, you have excellent judgement regarding taste.
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My Top 2 have been locked in place since I heard them for the first time, but every time I do a ranking of every Dream Theater song, third place and beyond is always something different. Past songs in third place have been The Count of Tuscany, Illumination Theory, and The Best of Times. My #3 this time will be different once again, and it's a song that I'm a little surprised hasn't been this high before. My Top 10 in general feels quite different compared to my older rankings, I'm gonna see if I can find them all and do some comparisons once this ranking is finished.
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Reap - I just submitted my list! Thanks for doing this!
My breakdown per album:
WDaDU: 7
IaW: 6
Awake: 7
FII: 5
SFaM: 7
SDoIT: 5
ToT: 5
8v: 6
SC: 3
BCaSL: 5
ADToE: 6
s/t: 7
TA: 6
d/t: 8
AVFtTotW: 5
non album: 12
So 32 of the 100 are MM-era, and overall it's fairly even distribution across all their albums, aside from TA.
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32 lists so far, great!
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I'd have to go back and check, but I think I only had one non-album track make it, and just BARELY.
EDIT: Actually, just remembered I had another that ranked decently. But pretty sure that's it.
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Anyone else kind of surprised at how much different songs affect you now vs when you first heard them? Just finished re-listening to 'Disappear' and holy &*)(& that song - I wasn't expecting it to resonate w me the way it did today.
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Sent my list! Took a lot to get here but I've enjoyed it.
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Anyone else kind of surprised at how much different songs affect you now vs when you first heard them? Just finished re-listening to 'Disappear' and holy &*)(& that song - I wasn't expecting it to resonate w me the way it did today.
For sure. As I mentioned in some of my brief thoughts, there's been a few that's really jumped in the rankings. I guess certain songs have a way of connecting at different stages in your life, plus perhaps things you are going through and dealing with that makes songs connect with you more than they previously did. Vice versa too I guess.
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Anyone else kind of surprised at how much different songs affect you now vs when you first heard them? Just finished re-listening to 'Disappear' and holy &*)(& that song - I wasn't expecting it to resonate w me the way it did today.
I mean, some age better than others and some not so much, but by and large, there's not a ton of movement.
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by and large, there's not a ton of movement.
At your age, I hear that prunes help.
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by and large, there's not a ton of movement.
At your age, I hear that prunes help.
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.19ca63e85e098802e9263d11bae24b31?rik=D2R6RYDRH5iBNg&riu=http%3a%2f%2fmma-user-upload.mixedmartialarts.com%2f2019-01%2fblack-kid-gif-2.gif&ehk=bO8G9cpFA25wte%2f4TAmwTTrD0P4AguF9Ya9J4vCEO00%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)
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by and large, there's not a ton of movement.
At your age, I hear that prunes help.
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/f9eYHQ8RZ4zfc4unXx/giphy.gif)
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Or mangos.
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Turbo Lax does the trick.
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Or mangos.
Tim needs help in the bedroom too?
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Or mangos.
Tim needs help in the bedroom too?
He wasn't exactly clear whether the lack of movement was in the trunk, or under the hood.
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I'm sure prunes help there too.
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Or mangos.
Tim needs help in the bedroom too?
He wasn't exactly clear whether the lack of movement was in the trunk, or under the hood.
Of course, silly me, good pick up.
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Anyone else kind of surprised at how much different songs affect you now vs when you first heard them? Just finished re-listening to 'Disappear' and holy &*)(& that song - I wasn't expecting it to resonate w me the way it did today.
I've had a number of songs like that.
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Reap, is there a problem with my list? Or have you just not gotten to it yet. Just want to make sure I don't miss the deadline if there is something wrong that I can fix.
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I haven't had a response yet, either. But he did say he's got a number of spreadsheets to parse and won't respond to/with PMs until he's got to the list in question.
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Reap, is there a problem with my list? Or have you just not gotten to it yet. Just want to make sure I don't miss the deadline if there is something wrong that I can fix.
I sent mine on 12/17, and got my response this morning.
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Reap, is there a problem with my list? Or have you just not gotten to it yet. Just want to make sure I don't miss the deadline if there is something wrong that I can fix.
You mean, other than where you've got Hollow Years?
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My list is sent. Album breakdown;
WDADU - 3
IAW - 8
Awake - 10
FII - 7
SFAM - 10
6D - 6
TOT - 7
8VM - 7
SC - 6
BC&SL - 6
ADTOE - 8
DT - 6
TA - 2
DOT - 9
AVFTTOTW - 4
Other - 1
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List sent. Trivia:
4 albums have all their songs represented: Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, Train of Thought, Octavarium and A View From The Top Of The World.
My top 3 songs are all from the same album.
I have seen only 2 of my top 10 live.
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Reap, is there a problem with my list? Or have you just not gotten to it yet. Just want to make sure I don't miss the deadline if there is something wrong that I can fix.
I got your list! I kind of do things a bit differently, I'll typically send the pm when everything is good (songs are good, point values equal the right amount, etc...). It's just easier for me to keep track that way, also I've been a little more backed up this time around because of the holidays but I plan to catch up tonight/tomorrow.
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My list is sent. Album breakdown;
WDADU - 3
IAW - 8
Awake - 10
FII - 7
SFAM - 10
6D - 6
TOT - 7
8VM - 7
SC - 6
BC&SL - 6
ADTOE - 8
DT - 6
TA - 2
DOT - 9
AVFTTOTW - 4
Other - 1
Da fuq... I've got more from TA on my list than you. But then, you dropped four from AVFTTOTW here (vs 0 for me).
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List submitted. Really could have played around with this forever but thought it was better to bite the bullet and get a list in, otherwise may have missed the cut off. Looking forward to the countdown.
This is just a great way to get back into the band and prepare for the return of Mike Portnoy.
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IN :metal
Breakdown:
-100 of top 100 are DT songs
-New list from scratch, will be fun to compare to the last top 100, I’m seeing lots of movement
-No NOMACs but I genuinely think they’re great… Jordan should get into movie soundtracks a la Trent Reznor
-Top 15 are all equally Three Star works of music art, difficult to order
-Could care less about ranks after #29
-5 and 6 are the same song, different drummer
-14 and 15 are the same song, different drummer
ETA my favorite song of all time, without question, is here at 5… lots of arbitrary placements on this list…
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My top 3 songs are all from the same album.
I have seen only 2 of my top 10 live.
I'm looking forward to see which album this is...
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-5 and 6 are the same song, different drummer
-14 and 15 are the same song, different drummer
ETA my favorite song of all time, without question, is here at 5… lots of arbitrary placements on this list…
I'm curious to see how you solved that issue with each song only delivered once in the list...
Who was the judge, making those arbitrary choices?
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Only AVFTTOTW and ACoS are left. My list feels kind of weird compared to my older ones, but I also have to remember this is Dream Theater we're dealing with here. Every song from #85 and above on my list is of a very high quality, and only the bottom two or three of my entire ranking (not the Top 100, but of all Dream Theater songs) are anything I'd consider a little subpar. So it's very difficult to definitively rank them as it is already.
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IN :metal
Breakdown:
-100 of top 100 are DT songs
Wait.....was this a DT plus side project top 100?
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My list is sent. Album breakdown;
WDADU - 3
IAW - 8
Awake - 10
FII - 7
SFAM - 10
6D - 6
TOT - 7
8VM - 7
SC - 6
BC&SL - 6
ADTOE - 8
DT - 6
TA - 2
DOT - 9
AVFTTOTW - 4
Other - 1
Da fuq... I've got more from TA on my list than you. But then, you dropped four from AVFTTOTW here (vs 0 for me).
I was surprised too. 2 of those songs are like, in the 90s on my list, the other 2 ranked a lot higher than expected. I really really dig the title track.
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Sorry for the naive question, but what's gonna happen next? I didn't even know what I signed up for :biggrin:
I assume once the math is done and Reaper knows the final rankings, we're gonna discuss the songs from 100 to 1, how is it going to happen? one song each? 10 songs per batch?
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Not to put any more work on Reaper, but there are some things I'm curious to know once all the lists are in and tabulated. And I've not followed one of these Top 100 DT countdowns in the past, so I don't know what data Kev shared.
How many songs didn't make a single list.
How many songs made everyone's list.
What will be the longest accuracy streak at the top of the list. Like, I can see my list being in sync with the top 2 songs, but no further. Might someone be perfectly aligned in the top 8? Top 10? More?
Did anyone's #1 not even make the Top 100?
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Breakdown:
-5 and 6 are the same song, different drummer
-14 and 15 are the same song, different drummer
Looks like someone's list will be rejected for not following the rules. You were to rank the official list at the front of this thread. It contains no duplicates.
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Last countdown there was one song #100 and then #99 next eve' or morning. He lighted a view on the song, wrote down how many lists it made and who ranked it the highest.
All the rest is up to the thread.
One song each day is fine by me.
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Breakdown:
-5 and 6 are the same song, different drummer
-14 and 15 are the same song, different drummer
Looks like someone's list will be rejected for not following the rules. You were to rank the official list at the front of this thread. It contains no duplicates.
Either that, or he's talking about Breaking All Illusions / Learning to Live and Pull Me Under / On the Back of Angels.
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Breakdown:
-5 and 6 are the same song, different drummer
-14 and 15 are the same song, different drummer
Looks like someone's list will be rejected for not following the rules. You were to rank the official list at the front of this thread. It contains no duplicates.
Either that, or he's talking about Breaking All Illusions / Learning to Live and Pull Me Under / On the Back of Angels.
I was thinking something along these lines as well.
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nevermind - MirrorMask and jingle.boy beat me to it. That's what I get for not reading through the whole thread before posting. :facepalm:
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Not to put any more work on Reaper, but there are some things I'm curious to know once all the lists are in and tabulated. And I've not followed one of these Top 100 DT countdowns in the past, so I don't know what data Kev shared.
How many songs didn't make a single list.
How many songs made everyone's list.
What will be the longest accuracy streak at the top of the list. Like, I can see my list being in sync with the top 2 songs, but no further. Might someone be perfectly aligned in the top 8? Top 10? More?
Did anyone's #1 not even make the Top 100?
These are good stats, once I get all the lists in I'll try to figure them out. I have some of my own stats I'll post once the list is complete :)
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I wanted to give the whole discography a relisten but I've been so busy and out of it that this list will have to be done from memory, today :yarr Removed all the songs that I know for sure aren't making it in and now I'm diving into 471 comparisons.
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Not to put any more work on Reaper, but there are some things I'm curious to know once all the lists are in and tabulated. And I've not followed one of these Top 100 DT countdowns in the past, so I don't know what data Kev shared.
How many songs didn't make a single list.
How many songs made everyone's list.
What will be the longest accuracy streak at the top of the list. Like, I can see my list being in sync with the top 2 songs, but no further. Might someone be perfectly aligned in the top 8? Top 10? More?
Did anyone's #1 not even make the Top 100?
I will bet you a beer - I'm being serious - that my #1 will not make the top 100 (unless it's ONLY because I had it at number 1), and there's a very, very strong chance that a very beloved - dare I say "iconic" - DT song will not make the "everyone's list" category because of me.
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Not to put any more work on Reaper, but there are some things I'm curious to know once all the lists are in and tabulated. And I've not followed one of these Top 100 DT countdowns in the past, so I don't know what data Kev shared.
How many songs didn't make a single list.
How many songs made everyone's list.
What will be the longest accuracy streak at the top of the list. Like, I can see my list being in sync with the top 2 songs, but no further. Might someone be perfectly aligned in the top 8? Top 10? More?
Did anyone's #1 not even make the Top 100?
I will bet you a beer - I'm being serious - that my #1 will not make the top 100 (unless it's ONLY because I had it at number 1), and there's a very, very strong chance that a very beloved - dare I say "iconic" - DT song will not make the "everyone's list" category because of me.
We assume all of this anyway, Stads. ;D
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Breakdown:
-5 and 6 are the same song, different drummer
-14 and 15 are the same song, different drummer
Looks like someone's list will be rejected for not following the rules. You were to rank the official list at the front of this thread. It contains no duplicates.
Either that, or he's talking about Breaking All Illusions / Learning to Live and Pull Me Under / On the Back of Angels.
I was thinking something along these lines as well.
I immediately thought this is what he meant too. Or Glass Moon and LNF.
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Not to put any more work on Reaper, but there are some things I'm curious to know once all the lists are in and tabulated. And I've not followed one of these Top 100 DT countdowns in the past, so I don't know what data Kev shared.
How many songs didn't make a single list.
How many songs made everyone's list.
What will be the longest accuracy streak at the top of the list. Like, I can see my list being in sync with the top 2 songs, but no further. Might someone be perfectly aligned in the top 8? Top 10? More?
Did anyone's #1 not even make the Top 100?
I will bet you a beer - I'm being serious - that my #1 will not make the top 100 (unless it's ONLY because I had it at number 1), and there's a very, very strong chance that a very beloved - dare I say "iconic" - DT song will not make the "everyone's list" category because of me.
So CME is number 1 and Metropolis or PMU didn't make your list?
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List submitted... my god, was that tough. I went to the bitter end using the Ranking Engine method as I really wanted to make sure I did this properly. Song-by-song comparisons all the way... spending a disproportionate amount of time trying to work out which NOMAC tracks I can tolerate above others... and all the time doubting myself. So many of these songs have moments that just elevate them, but are perhaps not so consistently enjoyable to me as others, or feel a bit less cohesive. Some are more suited for particular moods, times of day and energy levels than others. The songs which are fresher and more exciting to me today will not necessarily stand the test of time, surpassing the established "classics" which I have listened to death over the past two decades. For all these reasons I found it so difficult to order them into a simple numerical list... so in the end, I tried to base my decisions on the songs which have had the greatest overall impact on me over the period of time I have been a fan.
Looking forward to seeing some results in the coming days :tup
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So here’s what I’ve done.
My original list had 163 songs. I was happy with the top 40, but hated everything after. So I took 41-140 and put it through the ranker again…and again I was happy with THAT top 40, but the rest still didn’t look right. So I took 41-80 off that list and put those through the ranker AGAIN, and took the top 20 from that list to create the bottom 20 of my final list.
I believe I have something I can work with.
I will compile and turn it in tomorrow afternoon.
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For the first time ever, ACoS is in a slightly vulnerable position, but if it somehow manages to not be my #1, the lowest it could possibly get on my whole list is #3.
Well, that's probably the biggest fail I've posted on this forum. Although to be fair, I did say right after that there was no need for concern. But yeah, another ranking goes by and my Top 2 Dream Theater songs are locked in place. Probably still my two favorite songs of all time, though I suppose now's as good a time as any to see if any of my other all-time favorites have a chance of surpassing either one of these songs. But back to the Dream Theater Top 100 ranking...
All the songs are now on the list. I will see if there's any noticeable problems with my order, then I'll put the Top 100 through the ranking engine for good measure, compare those two lists, make any final adjustments, and then I can finally send it!
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For the first time ever, ACoS is in a slightly vulnerable position, but if it somehow manages to not be my #1, the lowest it could possibly get on my whole list is #3.
Well, that's probably the biggest fail I've posted on this forum. Although to be fair, I did say right after that there was no need for concern. But yeah, another ranking goes by and my Top 2 Dream Theater songs are locked in place. Probably still my two favorite songs of all time, though I suppose now's as good a time as any to see if any of my other all-time favorites have a chance of surpassing either one of these songs. But back to the Dream Theater Top 100 ranking...
All the songs are now on the list. I will see if there's any noticeable problems with my order, then I'll put the Top 100 through the ranking engine for good measure, compare those two lists, make any final adjustments, and then I can finally send it!
Tomorrow is the due date.....Better be quick!
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List sent ;D
That was some work, but a huge amount of fun revisiting a lot of DT I've not heard in a while and a few weeks digging through a couple newbies too! Think I snuck in a few hours before the NY here Down Under Happy New Year folks.
Gotta love this band! :metal
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Put the songs through the ranker and just going with what it gave me back. There are some questionable choices in the Top 20 but mostly it looks alright so I'm just going with it. :lol
List sent!
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Fine tuning done, list sent, and I'm overall happy with it.
Hope you all have a good start into the new year!
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List sent - thank you again for running this countdown!
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Put the songs through the ranker and just going with what it gave me back. There are some questionable choices in the Top 20 but mostly it looks alright so I'm just going with it. :lol
List sent!
Yeah after stewing over this for couple weeks also ended up going with the ranker and already note one ommision am peeved about LOL but for the most part looking at say top 25 rather happy with it :metal
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Not to put any more work on Reaper, but there are some things I'm curious to know once all the lists are in and tabulated. And I've not followed one of these Top 100 DT countdowns in the past, so I don't know what data Kev shared.
How many songs didn't make a single list.
How many songs made everyone's list.
What will be the longest accuracy streak at the top of the list. Like, I can see my list being in sync with the top 2 songs, but no further. Might someone be perfectly aligned in the top 8? Top 10? More?
Did anyone's #1 not even make the Top 100?
I will bet you a beer - I'm being serious - that my #1 will not make the top 100 (unless it's ONLY because I had it at number 1), and there's a very, very strong chance that a very beloved - dare I say "iconic" - DT song will not make the "everyone's list" category because of me.
We assume all of this anyway, Stads. ;D
Yea, the most shocking result would be your list looking anything other than the final list in reverse.
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My list is sent. This was fun. I spent some extra time with records I hadn't listened to as many times as others. I found more to love.
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Sent!
I got halfway through the ranking engine before starting to feel like this was going to be very inaccurate to my current list, so I scrapped that idea, looked over my list and made one final change before sending. My process for ranking was simple: Start from the beginning at WDADU and listen in chronological order, rank each album as they're finished, then add each album's songs to the overall ranking as I go. I do suspect this method could be why my newest list feels a little off, but it could also just be that some songs got to rank higher for the first time, and some that I used to rank very high fell down significantly. Our New World made to the Top 100 this time, and Repentance fell off nearly 30 spots from my last list.
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List sent!!
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I just sent my list to your PM
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Is there still time to submit? Not sure in what time zone the cutoff is.
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Is there still time to submit? Not sure in what time zone the cutoff is.
I would imagine so. I believe cutoff is end of day EST. Could be wrong though...
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Final album tally:
WDADU - 6
IAW - 8
Awake - 10
FII - 9
SFAM - 9
SDOIT - 5
TOT - 7
8V - 8
SC - 1
BCSL - 2
ADTOE - 7
DT - 8
TA - 3
D/T - 5
AVFTTOTW - 5
Other - 7
Portnoy era got 72, Mangini era got 28
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Here's my album breakdown:
WDADU - 3
I&W - 6
Awake - 8
FII - 6
SFAM - 8
SDOIT - 6
TOT - 6
Octavarium - 6
SC - 5
BC&SL - 6
ADTOE - 6
DT12 - 5
TA - 15
DOT - 9
AVFTTOTW - 4
Non-album tracks - 1
Sorting by eras:
MP - 61
MM - 39
KM - 17
DS - 7
JR - 76
Distance Over Time and View were both very close to having all songs featured in my Top 100. My lowest for DOT was #103, for View it was #109.
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Is there still time to submit? Not sure in what time zone the cutoff is.
You got time, you can submit tomorrow too, but keep that on the down low. I plan on starting the count down around the 5th.
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Is there still time to submit? Not sure in what time zone the cutoff is.
You got time, you can submit tomorrow too, but keep that on the down low. I plan on starting the count down around the 5th.
:neverusethis:
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Is there still time to submit? Not sure in what time zone the cutoff is.
You got time, you can submit tomorrow too, but keep that on the down low. I plan on starting the count down around the 5th.
Rad. I'll get it done later today or tomorrow. Thanks!
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Sent!
Songs by Album:
WDADU- 7
I&W- 8
Awake- 11
FII- 7
SFAM- 9
SDOIT- 6
ToT- 7
8v- 5
SC- 3
BCSL- 2
ADTOE- 6
DT12- 2
The Astonishing- 2
D/T- 10
AVFTTOTW- 6
Non Album Tracks- 9
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Just sent my list, here is the album breakdown:
WDADU - 4
I&W - 8
Awake - 8
FII - 6
SFAM - 10
SDOIT - 5
TOT - 6
8VM - 7
SC - 4
BC&SL - 5
ADTOE - 8
DT12 - 5
TA - 9
D/T - 6
AVFTTOTV - 6
Other - 3
65 with Portnoy, 35 with Mangini
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WDADU: 6
I&W: 8
Awake: 9
FII: 8
SFAM: 8
6DOIT: 4
TOT: 7
8V: 7
SC: 5
BC&SL: 4
ADTOE: 6
DT: 7
TA: 6
DOT: 4
AVFTTOTW: 1
Others: 10
MP: 76
MM: 24
JR: 59
DS: 14
KM: 27
JLB: 92
CD: 6
CC: 2
JP: 100
JM: 100
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I presume my list was received. Sent a couple of days ago and haven’t received a confirmation.
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I presume my list was received. Sent a couple of days ago and haven’t received a confirmation.
Same
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Is there still time to submit? Not sure in what time zone the cutoff is.
You got time, you can submit tomorrow too, but keep that on the down low. I plan on starting the count down around the 5th.
Roll on the 5th! Reap, are you planning to do multiple entries a day as you start this, or just one entry a day?
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I will start the countdown January 5th, I'll be doing 3 songs a day to start, move down to 2 songs once we reach around 30 left, and then 1 song a day for the top 10.
In the first post :lol
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I presume my list was received. Sent a couple of days ago and haven’t received a confirmation.
Same
Same
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I will start the countdown January 5th, I'll be doing 3 songs a day to start, move down to 2 songs once we reach around 30 left, and then 1 song a day for the top 10.
In the first post :lol
In my excitement, I forgot how to read.
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I presume my list was received. Sent a couple of days ago and haven’t received a confirmation.
Same
Same
I tried to send you a confirmation that I got your list, but you're mailbox was full.
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I presume my list was received. Sent a couple of days ago and haven’t received a confirmation.
Same
Same
I tried to send you a confirmation that I got your list, but you're mailbox was full.
I've heard that before. ;).
I fixed it.
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I presume my list was received. Sent a couple of days ago and haven’t received a confirmation.
Same
Same
I tried to send you a confirmation that I got your list, but you're mailbox was full.
I've heard that before. ;).
I fixed it.
Too late now, list deleted!
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I presume my list was received. Sent a couple of days ago and haven’t received a confirmation.
Same
Same
I tried to send you a confirmation that I got your list, but you're mailbox was full.
I've heard that before. ;).
I fixed it.
Too late now, list deleted!
Now CME won't make the list! :omg:
(Love ya Stads! :biggrin:)
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As I'm entering lists and double checking many of you need to commit to learning how to spell as a new years resolution :lol
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*cough*Joe*cough*
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It's not that big of a deal. When I did favorite drummers a number of folks told me Neal Peart was their favorite drummer, or when I did the favorite artist countdown a number of people gave me some interesting takes on the spelling of their favorite bands :lol
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I presume my list was received. Sent a couple of days ago and haven’t received a confirmation.
Same
Same
I tried to send you a confirmation that I got your list, but you're mailbox was full.
I've heard that before. ;).
I fixed it.
Too late now, list deleted!
That's exactly what our friend Kev would actually have done :lol
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As I'm entering lists and double checking many of you need to commit to learning how to spell as a new years resolution :lol
You mean people manually typed their lists rather than just copy/pasting from the list that was originally published in the OP? Da fuq? I mean, the other lists (drummers / bands) I can understand typo's or brain-farts. But this is a finite and published list we are all going from - or at least should have been going from. :lolpalm:
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As I'm entering lists and double checking many of you need to commit to learning how to spell as a new years resolution :lol
You mean people manually typed their lists rather than just copy/pasting from the list that was originally published in the OP? Da fuq? I mean, the other lists (drummers / bands) I can understand typo's or brain-farts. But this is a finite and published list we are all going from - or at least should have been going from. :lolpalm:
No kidding lol
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As I'm entering lists and double checking many of you need to commit to learning how to spell as a new years resolution :lol
You mean people manually typed their lists rather than just copy/pasting from the list that was originally published in the OP? Da fuq? I mean, the other lists (drummers / bands) I can understand typo's or brain-farts. But this is a finite and published list we are all going from - or at least should have been going from. :lolpalm:
I was actually going to call you out for having a perfect list. I'd say 80% have typos, and of that 80% I'd say 50% have 5 or more mispelled songs. Wait until you see how high "Honor The Father" and "The Spirits Carry On" place :lol
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As I'm entering lists and double checking many of you need to commit to learning how to spell as a new years resolution :lol
You mean people manually typed their lists rather than just copy/pasting from the list that was originally published in the OP? Da fuq? I mean, the other lists (drummers / bands) I can understand typo's or brain-farts. But this is a finite and published list we are all going from - or at least should have been going from. :lolpalm:
I was actually going to call you out for having a perfect list. I'd say 80% have typos, and of that 80% I'd say 50% have 5 or more mispelled songs. Wait until you see how high "Honor The Father" and "The Spirits Carry On" place :lol
:lol
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As I'm entering lists and double checking many of you need to commit to learning how to spell as a new years resolution :lol
You mean people manually typed their lists rather than just copy/pasting from the list that was originally published in the OP? Da fuq? I mean, the other lists (drummers / bands) I can understand typo's or brain-farts. But this is a finite and published list we are all going from - or at least should have been going from. :lolpalm:
I was actually going to call you out for having a perfect list. I'd say 80% have typos, and of that 80% I'd say 50% have 5 or more mispelled songs. Wait until you see how high "Honor The Father" and "The Spirits Carry On" place :lol
(https://media.giphy.com/media/VGHtpsS3UJNRK/giphy.gif)
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As I'm entering lists and double checking many of you need to commit to learning how to spell as a new years resolution :lol
You mean people manually typed their lists rather than just copy/pasting from the list that was originally published in the OP? Da fuq? I mean, the other lists (drummers / bands) I can understand typo's or brain-farts. But this is a finite and published list we are all going from - or at least should have been going from. :lolpalm:
I agree with how silly it is. However, I retyped it because the alphabetical order bothered me to no end haha. I did it in album order to help my brain and ocd. Hopefully nothing of mine is misspelled (autocorrect and spell check do exist)
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As I'm entering lists and double checking many of you need to commit to learning how to spell as a new years resolution :lol
You mean people manually typed their lists rather than just copy/pasting from the list that was originally published in the OP? Da fuq? I mean, the other lists (drummers / bands) I can understand typo's or brain-farts. But this is a finite and published list we are all going from - or at least should have been going from. :lolpalm:
I agree with how silly it is. However, I retyped it because the alphabetical order bothered me to no end haha. I did it in album order to help my brain and ocd. Hopefully nothing of mine is misspelled (autocorrect and spell check do exist)
well I'll tell you ytsejam ain't gonna make the list lmao
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I wonder if someone spelled 'Eve' wrong.
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I updated the OP but in case people don't read it I'll post here:
Please check the second post here (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3065589#msg3065589). If your name is not on the list you ARE NOT COUNTED. I sent back a couple of lists that contain duplicates, please resubmit your list by Jan 4th. I also have an emailed list and I have no idea who it is, please let me know that's you otherwise I will not count your list.
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I'm pretty sure I had zero typos, as I also copy and pasted the original list, like Chad.
If I DID have any typos, then...
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/l1KukwtKoeWV8sPWE/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952j7ghhmojfhk10pij8diwulzxgrvv71omhye0twfd&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
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I think the only typo on my list was "Fall Into The Light", and that's probably only because I got used to how my CD rip of Distance Over Time has it written, and I somehow forgot to correct it despite looking through my finished list several times over to make sure there weren't any mistakes.
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As I'm entering lists and double checking many of you need to commit to learning how to spell as a new years resolution :lol
You mean people manually typed their lists rather than just copy/pasting from the list that was originally published in the OP? Da fuq? I mean, the other lists (drummers / bands) I can understand typo's or brain-farts. But this is a finite and published list we are all going from - or at least should have been going from. :lolpalm:
I agree with how silly it is. However, I retyped it because the alphabetical order bothered me to no end haha. I did it in album order to help my brain and ocd. Hopefully nothing of mine is misspelled (autocorrect and spell check do exist)
Same... that's why I used a spreadsheet, and added the associated album in a second column. I guess we're all lucky it's Reaper doing it this time around, otherwise there'd be 7 lists being used :biggrin:
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As I'm entering lists and double checking many of you need to commit to learning how to spell as a new years resolution :lol
You mean people manually typed their lists rather than just copy/pasting from the list that was originally published in the OP? Da fuq? I mean, the other lists (drummers / bands) I can understand typo's or brain-farts. But this is a finite and published list we are all going from - or at least should have been going from. :lolpalm:
I agree with how silly it is. However, I retyped it because the alphabetical order bothered me to no end haha. I did it in album order to help my brain and ocd. Hopefully nothing of mine is misspelled (autocorrect and spell check do exist)
well I'll tell you ytsejam ain't gonna make the list lmao
:lol :loser:
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I updated the OP but in case people don't read it I'll post here:
Please check the second post here (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58795.msg3065589#msg3065589). If your name is not on the list you ARE NOT COUNTED. I sent back a couple of lists that contain duplicates, please resubmit your list by Jan 4th. I also have an emailed list and I have no idea who it is, please let me know that's you otherwise I will not count your list.
I'm on the list!!!! This is like running into the gym to see if you made the baseball team back in eight grade!! I'm so excited!!
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I'm pretty sure I had zero typos, as I also copy and pasted the original list, like Chad.
If I DID have any typos, then...
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/l1KukwtKoeWV8sPWE/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952j7ghhmojfhk10pij8diwulzxgrvv71omhye0twfd&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
This.
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I think the only typo on my list was "Fall Into The Light", and that's probably only because I got used to how my CD rip of Distance Over Time has it written, and I somehow forgot to correct it despite looking through my finished list several times over to make sure there weren't any mistakes.
What's wrong with 'Fall Into The Light'? We could argue about some of the capitalisation but that'd be nitpicking :biggrin:
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Nah capitalization isn't an issue. Normally how I do these lists is I intake the list and have some vba code run that sorts the list into a master list. When the point totals don't add up the code will spit out which ranks are missing from a particular list, I'll then go back and check them.
There is actually a typo on Kev's master list with "The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun" but I didn't bother correcting it because I assumed a lot of people took the master list and already started working on the rankings.
Truthfully, it's bit of extra work but I don't mind, I just like giving people shit. Lord knows things get past me too, plus this all in good fun anyway.
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I'm pretty sure I had zero typos, as I also copy and pasted the original list, like Chad.
If I DID have any typos, then...
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/l1KukwtKoeWV8sPWE/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952j7ghhmojfhk10pij8diwulzxgrvv71omhye0twfd&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
Same here.
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As I'm entering lists and double checking many of you need to commit to learning how to spell as a new years resolution :lol
Damn King how many alts do you have on this site??
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Nah capitalization isn't an issue. Normally how I do these lists is I intake the list and have some vba code run that sorts the list into a master list. When the point totals don't add up the code will spit out which ranks are missing from a particular list, I'll then go back and check them.
There is actually a typo on Kev's master list with "The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun" but I didn't bother correcting it because I assumed a lot of people took the master list and already started working on the rankings.
Truthfully, it's bit of extra work but I don't mind, I just like giving people shit. Lord knows things get past me too, plus this all in good fun anyway.
I was going to say "I think I fixed TOWHTSTS on my list", but then again, that song wasn't even close to the top 100, so it's moot.
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I may have typed Do You Hear the People Sing instead of Brother Can You Hear Me.
Apologies.
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I may have typed Do You Hear the People Sing instead of Brother Can You Hear Me.
Apologies.
As a Les Mis fan, this made me :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I may have typed Do You Hear the People Sing instead of Brother Can You Hear Me.
Apologies.
How do you co-mingle a song that is god-tier, with another that I wouldn't even make my dog listen to?
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I may have typed Do You Hear the People Sing instead of Brother Can You Hear Me.
Apologies.
How do you co-mingle a song that is god-tier, with another that I wouldn't even make my dog listen to?
You consider Brother Can You Hear Me God-tier? It didn't even make my Abridged version.
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I may have typed Do You Hear the People Sing instead of Brother Can You Hear Me.
Apologies.
How do you co-mingle a song that is god-tier, with another that I wouldn't even make my dog listen to?
Realising one is heavily inspired by the other and harmonically quotes/hommages it with gusto.
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I may have typed Do You Hear the People Sing instead of Brother Can You Hear Me.
Apologies.
How do you co-mingle a song that is god-tier, with another that I wouldn't even make my dog listen to?
You consider Brother Can You Hear Me God-tier? It didn't even make my Abridged version.
I think he’s referring to “Do You Hear the People Sing” from Les Miserables as god-tier…and he’s absolutely correct.
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I may have typed Do You Hear the People Sing instead of Brother Can You Hear Me.
Apologies.
How do you co-mingle a song that is god-tier, with another that I wouldn't even make my dog listen to?
You consider Brother Can You Hear Me God-tier? It didn't even make my Abridged version.
I think he’s referring to “Do You Hear the People Sing” from Les Miserables as god-tier…and he’s absolutely correct.
I've never heard it.
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I may have typed Do You Hear the People Sing instead of Brother Can You Hear Me.
Apologies.
How do you co-mingle a song that is god-tier, with another that I wouldn't even make my dog listen to?
You consider Brother Can You Hear Me God-tier? It didn't even make my Abridged version.
I think he’s referring to “Do You Hear the People Sing” from Les Miserables as god-tier…and he’s absolutely correct.
I've never heard it.
:xbones :xbones :xbones :metal :metal :metal
It’s as metal as a musical can possibly get…
…it is moment when the people rise up in a revolution “singing the song of angry men”!! :metal :metal :metal
After all, what is “metal” if not the song of “angry men”… “the music of a people who will not be slaves again!!!”
https://youtu.be/1q82twrdr0U?si=dPRKLYvuYCMuxgLe
:metal :metal :metal :xbones :xbones
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I may have typed Do You Hear the People Sing instead of Brother Can You Hear Me.
Apologies.
How do you co-mingle a song that is god-tier, with another that I wouldn't even make my dog listen to?
Realising one is heavily inspired by the other and harmonically quotes/hommages it with gusto.
Amico mio, you and I must have a very different interpretation of "gusto". :lol :lol
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I may have typed Do You Hear the People Sing instead of Brother Can You Hear Me.
Apologies.
How do you co-mingle a song that is god-tier, with another that I wouldn't even make my dog listen to?
You consider Brother Can You Hear Me God-tier? It didn't even make my Abridged version.
I think he’s referring to “Do You Hear the People Sing” from Les Miserables as god-tier…and he’s absolutely correct.
I've never heard it.
That's astonishing.
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I presume my list was received. Sent a couple of days ago and haven’t received a confirmation.
Same
Same
I tried to send you a confirmation that I got your list, but you're mailbox was full.
I've been trying to submit and got the same message....
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I presume my list was received. Sent a couple of days ago and haven’t received a confirmation.
Same
Same
I tried to send you a confirmation that I got your list, but you're mailbox was full.
I've been trying to submit and got the same message....
Should be good now! :tup
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I was actually going to call you out for having a perfect list. I'd say 80% have typos, and of that 80% I'd say 50% have 5 or more mispelled songs. Wait until you see how high "Honor The Father" and "The Spirits Carry On" place :lol
Manually wrote the list myself but can't imagine it had typos of any kind.
How do you co-mingle a song that is god-tier, with another that I wouldn't even make my dog listen to?
Re-listened to the whole The Astonishing album last night. Simply cruel, all the hate it gets on this forum.
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I was actually going to call you out for having a perfect list. I'd say 80% have typos, and of that 80% I'd say 50% have 5 or more mispelled songs. Wait until you see how high "Honor The Father" and "The Spirits Carry On" place :lol
Manually wrote the list myself but can't imagine it had typos of any kind.
How do you co-mingle a song that is god-tier, with another that I wouldn't even make my dog listen to?
Re-listened to the whole The Astonishing album last night. Simply cruel, all the hate it gets on this forum.
TASTESTM!!
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TASTESTM!!
True...
Since dogs got much more developed ears than humans, you might give it a try though.
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Breakdown:
-5 and 6 are the same song, different drummer
-14 and 15 are the same song, different drummer
Looks like someone's list will be rejected for not following the rules. You were to rank the official list at the front of this thread. It contains no duplicates.
Either that, or he's talking about Breaking All Illusions / Learning to Live and Pull Me Under / On the Back of Angels.
I was thinking something along these lines as well.
Mostly correct, right vibe and one match, the other pair is more my own observation
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I was actually going to call you out for having a perfect list. I'd say 80% have typos, and of that 80% I'd say 50% have 5 or more mispelled songs. Wait until you see how high "Honor The Father" and "The Spirits Carry On" place :lol
Manually wrote the list myself but can't imagine it had typos of any kind.
How do you co-mingle a song that is god-tier, with another that I wouldn't even make my dog listen to?
Re-listened to the whole The Astonishing album last night. Simply cruel, all the hate it gets on this forum.
Yes indeed, while they sing the praises of dreck like The Dark Eternal Night. >:( Can’t wait to see how much higher a song like that places over something beautiful like A Life Left Behind.
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The Dark Eternal Night is great, though! It's original, playful and fun :biggrin:
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As much as I love most of The Astonishing (I have 13 tracks on my list), The Dark Eternal Night beats all but one of them.
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And why compare a dark, heavy, metal track with a softer song? They're practically two different styles.
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I was actually going to call you out for having a perfect list. I'd say 80% have typos, and of that 80% I'd say 50% have 5 or more mispelled songs. Wait until you see how high "Honor The Father" and "The Spirits Carry On" place :lol
Manually wrote the list myself but can't imagine it had typos of any kind.
How do you co-mingle a song that is god-tier, with another that I wouldn't even make my dog listen to?
Re-listened to the whole The Astonishing album last night. Simply cruel, all the hate it gets on this forum.
Well, Jingle has it mostly right, of course, but even with that, it's not cut and dry. Albums are funny things; I like a LOT of the SONGS on TA for what they are, beautiful pieces of music, but I'm not sure I'll ever listen to the whole record again. It's not a knock, really, it's just that there's other stuff I'd rather connect with.
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TASTESTM!!
True...
Since dogs got much more developed ears than humans, you might give it a try though.
If you're suggesting I give TA a try, you don't follow my posts much. :lol
And fwiw, I can't stand TDEN either. Worst track on SC (imo).
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The Dark Eternal Night is great, though! It's original, playful and fun :biggrin:
Seriously. It’s the only salvageable track from that dreadful album.
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The Dark Eternal Night is great, though! It's original, playful and fun :biggrin:
Seriously. It’s the only salvageable track from that dreadful album.
I think you forgot to include the green fonts
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I'm finally going through and doing my ranking and it's crazy how much my tastes have changed over the years.
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I'm finally going through and doing my ranking and it's crazy how much my tastes have changed over the years.
But, you missed the deadline!
The Dark Eternal Night is great, though! It's original, playful and fun :biggrin:
Seriously. It’s the only salvageable track from that dreadful album.
I think you forgot to include the green fonts
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I may have typed Do You Hear the People Sing instead of Brother Can You Hear Me.
Apologies.
How do you co-mingle a song that is god-tier, with another that I wouldn't even make my dog listen to?
You consider Brother Can You Hear Me God-tier? It didn't even make my Abridged version.
I think he’s referring to “Do You Hear the People Sing” from Les Miserables as god-tier…and he’s absolutely correct.
I've never heard it.
Me neither.
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The Dark Eternal Night is great, though! It's original, playful and fun :biggrin:
Seriously. It’s the only salvageable track from that dreadful album.
I think you forgot to include the green fonts
Final album tally:
WDADU - 6
IAW - 8
Awake - 10
FII - 9
SFAM - 9
SDOIT - 5
TOT - 7
8V - 8
SC - 1
BCSL - 2
ADTOE - 7
DT - 8
TA - 3
D/T - 5
AVFTTOTW - 5
Other - 7
Portnoy era got 72, Mangini era got 28
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Well...I did it. Very hasty, and I will find decisions I'm not really happy with, but oh well. Thank you, Reaper!
WDADU - 8
I&W - 8
Awake - 10
FII - 7
SFAM - 10
SDOIT - 4
TOT - 6
8VM - 7
SC - 6
BCSL - 5
ADTOE - 8
DT12 - 9
TA - 1
DOT - 7
View - 3
Other - 1
Portnoy era got 72; Mangini era got 28
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The Dark Eternal Night is great, though! It's original, playful and fun :biggrin:
Seriously. It’s the only salvageable track from that dreadful album.
I think you forgot to include the green fonts
Final album tally:
SC - 1
Love ya Benny, but you're not right on this one, other than that it's towards the bottom of their catalog. TDEN is one of the worst tracks on the album.
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TDEN is my highest rated song on SC, and I really like the album.
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I don't particularly like SC all that much, but TDEN is hella fun, especially live.
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TDEN is my highest rated song on SC, and I really like the album.
TDEN is my lowest rated song on SC, and I really like the album. :lol
Edit: just checked and apparently Constant Motion is one spot lower than TDEN on my list. Oh well.
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The Dark Eternal Night is very high on my list, even more so than my 2021 list.
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The Dark Eternal Night is very high on my list, even more so than my 2021 list.
Same here, I love it.
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TDEN is my highest rated song on SC, and I really like the album.
It's my #2 on an album that I ranked as DT's worst until TA came along. A lot of the appeal is because of live versions.
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I may have typed Do You Hear the People Sing instead of Brother Can You Hear Me.
Apologies.
How do you co-mingle a song that is god-tier, with another that I wouldn't even make my dog listen to?
You consider Brother Can You Hear Me God-tier? It didn't even make my Abridged version.
I think he’s referring to “Do You Hear the People Sing” from Les Miserables as god-tier…and he’s absolutely correct.
I've never heard it.
Me neither.
Same.
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TDEN is my highest rated song on SC, and I really like the album.
I enjoyed it a lot more now on my revisit.
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TASTESTM!!
True...
Since dogs got much more developed ears than humans, you might give it a try though.
Ouch. I did in fact do that......its still sucks.
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TDEN is my highest rated song on SC, and I really like the album.
Just for talks waiting for the countdown, my list features only two songs from SC, one in the top 5, the other in the last 40s. Neither is TDEN.
I liked SC, a lot more than the album preceding it and the one following it.
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TDEN is my highest rated song on SC, and I really like the album.
Just for talks waiting for the countdown, my list features only two songs from SC, one in the top 5, the other in the last 40s. Neither is TDEN.
I liked SC, a lot more than the album preceding it and the one following it.
I've always said that after the run up to the Score show, SC was like a giant exhale album. An album with no direction or constraints. It feels like a loose album and plays that way. I enjoy it quite a bit.
I actually think it's one of James' best performances on a DT album. Even though they don't call on him for his full range, he sings his parts perfectly and quite strongly.
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TDEN is my highest rated song on SC, and I really like the album.
Just for talks waiting for the countdown, my list features only two songs from SC, one in the top 5, the other in the last 40s. Neither is TDEN.
I liked SC, a lot more than the album preceding it and the one following it.
I've always said that after the run up to the Score show, SC was like a giant exhale album. An album with no direction or constraints. It feels like a loose album and plays that way. I enjoy it quite a bit.
I actually think it's one of James' best performances on a DT album. Even though they don't call on him for his full range, he sings his parts perfectly and quite strongly.
I totally agree. The first album completely free from some variation of the mimic gimmick syndrome since Scenes.
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TDEN is my highest rated song on SC, and I really like the album.
Just for talks waiting for the countdown, my list features only two songs from SC, one in the top 5, the other in the last 40s. Neither is TDEN.
I liked SC, a lot more than the album preceding it and the one following it.
I've always said that after the run up to the Score show, SC was like a giant exhale album. An album with no direction or constraints. It feels like a loose album and plays that way. I enjoy it quite a bit.
I actually think it's one of James' best performances on a DT album. Even though they don't call on him for his full range, he sings his parts perfectly and quite strongly.
I was impressed with James on this one on my revisit too. But maybe the bolded is why is such a good album for him? Maybe, maybe not.
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TDEN is my highest rated song on SC, and I really like the album.
Just for talks waiting for the countdown, my list features only two songs from SC, one in the top 5, the other in the last 40s. Neither is TDEN.
I liked SC, a lot more than the album preceding it and the one following it.
I've always said that after the run up to the Score show, SC was like a giant exhale album. An album with no direction or constraints. It feels like a loose album and plays that way. I enjoy it quite a bit.
I actually think it's one of James' best performances on a DT album. Even though they don't call on him for his full range, he sings his parts perfectly and quite strongly.
I agree with you TAC. I personally love SC, it's one of my favorite DT albums, just a collection of great songs and also "prophets of war" is on there.
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TDEN is my highest rated song on SC, and I really like the album.
Just for talks waiting for the countdown, my list features only two songs from SC, one in the top 5, the other in the last 40s. Neither is TDEN.
I liked SC, a lot more than the album preceding it and the one following it.
I've always said that after the run up to the Score show, SC was like a giant exhale album. An album with no direction or constraints. It feels like a loose album and plays that way. I enjoy it quite a bit.
I actually think it's one of James' best performances on a DT album. Even though they don't call on him for his full range, he sings his parts perfectly and quite strongly.
I agree with you TAC. I personally love SC, it's one of my favorite DT albums, just a collection of great songs and also "prophets of war" is on there.
Or as I like to call it… 163/163! ;D :angel:
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Count me as a big fan of SC and I still listen to the album (or at least tracks from it) regularly. It may partially be because it was the first new DT album to come out after I became a fan and/or because a buddy of mine used to play it constantly when we'd play Warcraft 3 back in the day. Another factor potentially helping it for me is/was the "making of" documentary - I still enjoy watching that every now and again.
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TDEN is my highest rated song on SC, and I really like the album.
Just for talks waiting for the countdown, my list features only two songs from SC, one in the top 5, the other in the last 40s. Neither is TDEN.
I liked SC, a lot more than the album preceding it and the one following it.
I've always said that after the run up to the Score show, SC was like a giant exhale album. An album with no direction or constraints. It feels like a loose album and plays that way. I enjoy it quite a bit.
I actually think it's one of James' best performances on a DT album. Even though they don't call on him for his full range, he sings his parts perfectly and quite strongly.
I agree with you TAC. I personally love SC, it's one of my favorite DT albums, just a collection of great songs and also "prophets of war" is on there.
I really liked PoW when SC dropped (despite it probably getting the most hate from the fanbase at the time, iirc), but it hasn't aged very well.
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I really liked PoW when SC dropped (despite it probably getting the most hate from the fanbase at the time, iirc), but it hasn't aged very well.
Same here.
I actually think it's one of James' best performances on a DT album. Even though they don't call on him for his full range, he sings his parts perfectly and quite strongly.
For the most part I agree, which makes it even more confounding that they wrote the vocals CM and TDEN the way they did. You got James still close enough to his peak, and that is how you want him to sing?!
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With the exception of the gang* vocal, it's aged well for me. I don't like Queen but I do like the obvious Queen influence.
The way the gang vocal was done was fabulous, though. What a great opportunity it was for localish Dream Theater fans.
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Except The Dark Eternal Night they all made my list and I've got two songs in my top 10...
so yeah, Systematic Chaos really is one of my 15 most beloved studioalbums...
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TDEN is my highest rated song on SC, and I really like the album.
Just for talks waiting for the countdown, my list features only two songs from SC, one in the top 5, the other in the last 40s. Neither is TDEN.
I liked SC, a lot more than the album preceding it and the one following it.
I've always said that after the run up to the Score show, SC was like a giant exhale album. An album with no direction or constraints. It feels like a loose album and plays that way. I enjoy it quite a bit.
I actually think it's one of James' best performances on a DT album. Even though they don't call on him for his full range, he sings his parts perfectly and quite strongly.
I was impressed with James on this one on my revisit too. But maybe the bolded is why is such a good album for him? Maybe, maybe not.
IMO, definitely. James' range was always a mixed blessing. As much as I love early DT, vocal parts often feels like what a band of virtuoso players would do when wanting to showcase the very extreme of the abilities of their new and supremely talented singer.
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Count me as a big fan of SC and I still listen to the album (or at least tracks from it) regularly. It may partially be because it was the first new DT album to come out after I became a fan
Yea, this is definitely true for me as I came on board with the band around early '07.
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Really looking forward to this one to start. Especially to see if my n.1 song ends up being even more outlandish choice than Stadler's. And to find out how the increased number of lists (compared to the previous DT countdown) will shake up the top 10 (which I still remember to this day).
But even revisiting the band catalog in the preparation for this countdown was worth it on its own. I might be one of the most fickle music fans to ever put headphones over their ears so my DT album ratings has changed quite a lot: Some albums I used to be indifferent toward really clicked, some good ones got even better, maybe even great, some great ones stayed great, some still leave me cold. And finally, there are few odd ones that got worse.
The greatest winner was TA - I used to think it was a misstep, now I think it is a masterpiece, albeit a very flawed one.
ADTOE did the impossible - It definitely proved to me that a band can produce one of their very best work even 25 years into their career. I liked it a lot before but now it is slowly making its way among what I considered immutable holy trinity of DT albums (IW, Scenes, Awake), transforming the trinity into the quartet and making me a heretic.
DT12 also improved a lot. Not a holy trinity level (yet?) but it's now definitely one of my favorite post-Scenes albums.
On the other hand, nothing changed with regards to SC, BCSL and FII. I still like these a good bit less than the others.
As I started to enjoy a lot of Mangini era albums more, AVOTTOTW and DOT got comparably worse. I used to like these a lot (especially a View) but, although there is a lot of good stuff (I really like the title track of a View) they now seem a lot less interesting than their predecessors.
And finally, greatest loser seems to be Octavarium. I liked this one quite a bit when it came out (I became a DT fan shortly before its release) but every time I revisit it, it just gets worse.
On a bit related note, I also found out that even if I enjoy ToT a lot as an album experience, I don't rate the individual songs as high as I thought I would (except ITNOG). It is just one of these albums that I really want to listen to from start to finish, but I almost never listen to the individual songs on their own.
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With the exception of the gang* vocal, it's aged well for me. I don't like Queen but I do like the obvious Queen influence.
The way the gang vocal was done was fabulous, though. What a great opportunity it was for localish Dream Theater fans.
Including 'bout to crash and Nick.
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I actually think it's one of James' best performances on a DT album. Even though they don't call on him for his full range, he sings his parts perfectly and quite strongly.
For the most part I agree, which makes it even more confounding that they wrote the vocals CM and TDEN the way they did. You got James still close enough to his peak, and that is how you want him to sing?!
??? What's the problem with it? (1) It sounds COOL! (2) It adds a lot of variety to the album. There are plenty of moments on it where James uses his straight singing voice. You've got plenty of moments of his straight power voice, his soaring voice, and his soft, breathy voice. What's wrong with exploring some grittier and some effects-laden sides as well?
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With the exception of the gang* vocal, it's aged well for me. I don't like Queen but I do like the obvious Queen influence.
The way the gang vocal was done was fabulous, though. What a great opportunity it was for localish Dream Theater fans.
Including 'bout to crash and Nick.
How did I not know this? That's awesome.
I am so ready for this countdown to begin.
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I actually think it's one of James' best performances on a DT album. Even though they don't call on him for his full range, he sings his parts perfectly and quite strongly.
For the most part I agree, which makes it even more confounding that they wrote the vocals CM and TDEN the way they did. You got James still close enough to his peak, and that is how you want him to sing?!
??? What's the problem with it? (1) It sounds COOL! (2) It adds a lot of variety to the album. There are plenty of moments on it where James uses his straight singing voice. You've got plenty of moments of his straight power voice, his soaring voice, and his soft, breathy voice. What's wrong with exploring some grittier and some effects-laden sides as well?
I don't know that anyone is saying there's anything wrong with it... but it doesn't mean that it's going to be appealing for everyone. I find nothing "COOL" about it; you do. That's fine by me. A Roll The Bones-esque rap would add variety to the album too, so would a harp solo. Doesn't mean that variety = appeal.
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Mysterious email man has been identified, and a few other lists have been corrected, lists received post updated!
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Mysterious email man has been identified, and a few other lists have been corrected, lists received post updated!
65 lists are in so far. Nice. Can't wait and planned on giving each song a fair amount of time during the countdown.
Even if New Millennium, You Not Me... Build Me Up, Break Me Down or Lost Not Forgotten would made the list. (Although I can't see how).
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Ok, gonna make some random predictions.
Over/Under on the highest number of entries on an individual list - 87.
Over/Under on the lowest number of entries on an individual list - 72.
Over/Under of accurate/consecutive "Top" songs - 7
Over/Under of songs on no lists - 23
Over/Under of songs on every list - 37 <not sure what I was thinking here> also, with 60+ submissions, this number ought to be very small. All it takes is one outlier (like Stads) to fuck this up. I'll say it's now 8
TA will have the most songs represented, but will not have a song in the Top 25.
TA's highest ranking song will be lower ranked than every other album's highest ranked song.
Cleaning out the Closet will have more songs represented than at least one other official studio release
4 - # of albums will have every song represented
3 - # of songs the least represented album(s) will have
2 - # of songs in the Top 10 that did NOT make every list
1 - massive WTF that is on everyone's list.
Mysterious email man has been identified, and a few other lists have been corrected, lists received post updated!
65 lists are in so far. Nice. Can't wait and planned on giving each song a fair amount of time during the countdown.
Incredible! Isn't that more than double the last time this was done?
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Mysterious email man has been identified, and a few other lists have been corrected, lists received post updated!
65 lists are in so far. Nice. Can't wait and planned on giving each song a fair amount of time during the countdown.
Even if New Millennium, You Not Me... Build Me Up, Break Me Down or Lost Not Forgotten would made the list. (Although I can't see how).
Embracing the sentiment and expanding further, I really hope - and in a way I fairly believe it could come to pass - every song in DT catalogue is featured somewhere in someone's submitted list. While lists and tastes ultimately speak about us, such an outcome would speak - and give justice to - DT's uncanny ability to both appeal and polarise all across the board.
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Here's a prediction. Stadler's #1 won't make the top 100.
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Embracing the sentiment and expanding further, I really hope - and in a way I fairly believe it could come to pass - every song in DT catalogue is featured somewhere in someone's submitted list. While lists and tastes ultimately speak about us, such an outcome would speak - and give justice to - DT's uncanny ability to both appeal and polarise all across the board.
Very well said.
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Mysterious email man has been identified, and a few other lists have been corrected, lists received post updated!
65 lists are in so far. Nice. Can't wait and planned on giving each song a fair amount of time during the countdown.
Even if New Millennium, You Not Me... Build Me Up, Break Me Down or Lost Not Forgotten would made the list. (Although I can't see how).
Embracing the sentiment and expanding further, I really hope - and in a way I fairly believe it could come to pass - every song in DT catalogue is featured somewhere in someone's submitted list. While lists and tastes ultimately speak about us, such an outcome would speak - and give justice to - DT's uncanny ability to both appeal and polarise all across the board.
Not sure it's realistic to expect EVERY song to make a list, but it wouldn't surprise me. But I definitely think the number of songs that do not (assuming some don't) will be VERY small.
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I'd gather that most/all of the Nomac songs wouldn't. There's a few others that aren't actually songs (eg, Regression), some that are generally considered not good (Raw Dog), and others that don't have a lot of broader knowledge (Awake Jam).
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To be honest, I wasn't even considering the NOMACs tunes while expressing that wish.
On the other hand Regression is a song, Raw Dog could have a lovely RawDoghouse in someone's yard somewhere, and I suspect lack of broader knowledge could not be an issue with this forum.
You may say I'm a dreamer.
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Yeah, that's a good point about the NOMAC tracks. Subconsciously, I wasn't even counting those either. But consciously, I wouldn't expect them to show up at all.
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Prior to my revisiting the discography for this countdown I'd written off New Millennium as not having a chance of making the list, but it turned out to be far better than I'd remembered. It ended up finishing reasonably high. And I've always liked Build Me Up. It has one of the band's best choruses.
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To be honest, I wasn't even considering the NOMACs tunes while expressing that wish.
On the other hand Regression is a song, Raw Dog could have a lovely RawDoghouse in someone's yard somewhere, and I suspect lack of broader knowledge could not be an issue with this forum.
You may say I'm a dreamer.
But you're not the only one.
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Here's a prediction. Stadler's #1 won't make the top 100.
Vegas money hears you!!! :)
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Prior to my revisiting the discography for this countdown I'd written off New Millennium as not having a chance of making the list, but it turned out to be far better than I'd remembered. It ended up finishing reasonably high. And I've always liked Build Me Up. It has one of the band's best choruses.
I've always liked New Millennium. I LOVE the syncopation of the vocal lines and how they change each chorus as the lyrics are slightly different. It's also got a really cool, odd vibe in comparison to the rest of the catalog (probably because it was written without JP - per MP on the L@B Drum Cam commentary). I know a lot of people don't like it, but I dig it a lot! It ended up in a very NICE spot in my Top 100 ;)
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To be honest, I wasn't even considering the NOMACs tunes while expressing that wish.
On the other hand Regression is a song, Raw Dog could have a lovely RawDoghouse in someone's yard somewhere, and I suspect lack of broader knowledge could not be an issue with this forum.
You may say I'm a dreamer.
I believe Raw Dog will make the countdown.
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If it does, maybe in the bottom 10.
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To be honest, I wasn't even considering the NOMACs tunes while expressing that wish.
On the other hand Regression is a song, Raw Dog could have a lovely RawDoghouse in someone's yard somewhere, and I suspect lack of broader knowledge could not be an issue with this forum.
You may say I'm a dreamer.
I believe Raw Dog will make the countdown.
I've done my bit for Raw Dog. Great song.
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I'd gather that most/all of the Nomac songs wouldn't. There's a few others that aren't actually songs (eg, Regression), some that are generally considered not good (Raw Dog), and others that don't have a lot of broader knowledge (Awake Jam).
Regression made my list. I think it's a great little track.
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Well...I did it. Very hasty, and I will find decisions I'm not really happy with, but oh well. Thank you, Reaper!
WDADU - 8 (highest ranked - 15; lowest ranked - 94)
I&W - 8 (highest ranked - 2; lowest ranked - 89)
Awake - 10 (highest ranked - 7; lowest ranked - 86)
FII - 7 (highest ranked - 38; lowest ranked - 93)
SFAM - 10 (highest ranked - 6; lowest ranked - 81)
SDOIT - 4 (highest ranked - 4; lowest ranked - 45)
TOT - 6 (highest ranked - 8; lowest ranked - 100)
8VM - 7 (highest ranked - 5; lowest ranked - 99)
SC - 6 (highest ranked - 18; lowest ranked - 96)
BCSL - 5 (highest ranked - 16; lowest ranked - 95)
ADTOE - 8 (highest ranked - 12; lowest ranked - 98)
DT12 - 9 (highest ranked - 13; lowest ranked - 90)
TA - 1 (80)
DOT - 7 (highest ranked - 28; lowest ranked - 70)
View - 3 (highest ranked - 48; lowest ranked - 65)
Other - 1
Portnoy era got 72; Mangini era got 28
I added some information above.
- I'm betting that at least 47 songs in my top 50 will make the consensus 100.
- I'm betting that at least 82 songs from my top 100 making the consensus 100.
- I'm betting that 1 of the consensus top 10 will not be in my top 100.
- I'm putting the over/under at 5.5 for songs in the top 100 on which I am the top ranker (I'm also betting that I'm the top ranker for at least 3 songs that don't make the consensus 100).
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To be honest, I wasn't even considering the NOMACs tunes while expressing that wish.
On the other hand Regression is a song, Raw Dog could have a lovely RawDoghouse in someone's yard somewhere, and I suspect lack of broader knowledge could not be an issue with this forum.
You may say I'm a dreamer.
I believe Raw Dog will make the countdown.
I've done my bit for Raw Dog. Great song.
I really like Raw Dog when it came out but I gave it another list and while I still enjoyed the song, it sounded very dated to my ears.
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I don't hate it. But there are easily over 100 Dream Theater songs that are better.
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I don't hate it. But there are easily over 100 Dream Theater songs that are better.
I think I had heard it twice before today. I gave it another listen. My immediate thought was that it sounded like something that wasn't good enough to make the cut on TOT. The drop A tuning in the intro was off-putting to my ears. I honestly wanted to stop after a minute. I'm halfway through, and there's nothing interesting or memorable. Just a bunch of riffing and soloing. I started skipping forward a bit. The part at around 5:05 was pretty interesting, but it took 5 minutes to get there. Then we have a variation on the Weebles circus theme that JR likes. Now more random low-A riffing. And then just some random, cut-off ending? WTF was that? I suppose if I played video games like God of War I might like having that playing in the background, but yeah...this is definitely a bottom-of-the-barrel DT song.
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^That about sums it up. I mean, I'd listen to it on repeat for 3 hours before spending that time watching a Vikings v. Bills Super Bowl, but that's not saying much.
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I don't hate it. But there are easily over 100 Dream Theater songs that are better.
I think I had heard it twice before today. I gave it another listen. My immediate thought was that it sounded like something that wasn't good enough to make the cut on TOT. The drop A tuning in the intro was off-putting to my ears. I honestly wanted to stop after a minute. I'm halfway through, and there's nothing interesting or memorable. Just a bunch of riffing and soloing. I started skipping forward a bit. The part at around 5:05 was pretty interesting, but it took 5 minutes to get there. Then we have a variation on the Weebles circus theme that JR likes. Now more random low-A riffing. And then just some random, cut-off ending? WTF was that? I suppose if I played video games like God of War I might like having that playing in the background, but yeah...this is definitely a bottom-of-the-barrel DT song.
Funny thing is that it wasn't even featured in the game like that.
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170 The Astonishing
171 Other
172 The Astonishing
173 The Astonishing
174 A View From The Top Of The World
175 The Astonishing
176 The Astonishing
177 The Majesty Demos
178 When Dream And Day Unite
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170 The Astonishing
171 Other
172 The Astonishing
173 The Astonishing
174 A View From The Top Of The World
175 The Astonishing
176 The Astonishing
177 The Majesty Demos
178 When Dream And Day Unite
:lol Curious to know what they are.
I didn't bother ranking songs I knew where not going to make the top 100, just to make my life easier. I think I ranked 127 songs in total, so I have no idea how the bottom would've look except for the last song, which I expect it to make an appearance somewhere between rank 50-80.
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I'll add my 2 cents with predictions:
1) No more than 3 songs will make all the lists. Actually, if I were a betting man, I would bet at zero being the winning number.
2)All DT songs except Nomac tracs will make at least one list.
3)Contrary to some posters' expectations, Lost not Forgotten will make Top 100 by a comfortable margin.
4)This thread will surpass Mike Portnoy¨s return thread in length by the time we make it to the Top 50. It will end up being at least 120 pages long.
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170 The Astonishing
171 Other
172 The Astonishing
173 The Astonishing
174 A View From The Top Of The World
175 The Astonishing
176 The Astonishing
177 The Majesty Demos
178 When Dream And Day Unite
:lol Curious to know what they are.
I didn't bother ranking songs I knew where not going to make the top 100, just to make my life easier. I think I ranked 127 songs in total, so I have no idea how the bottom would've look except for the last song, which I expect it to make an appearance somewhere between rank 50-80.
Same. I had 129 songs put into the ranking engine before I decided to make my rankings without using it. Had I used it, I'm confident I'd have generated a different list and might have had more than one TA song in the top 100.
I'll add my 2 cents with predictions:
1) No more than 3 songs will make all the lists. Actually, if I were a betting man, I would bet at zero being the winning number.
2)All DT songs except Nomac tracs will make at least one list.
3)Contrary to some posters' expectations, Lost not Forgotten will make Top 100 by a comfortable margin.
4)This thread will surpass Mike Portnoy¨s return thread in length by the time we make it to the Top 50. It will end up being at least 120 pages long.
1. I think the number will be a bit higher, but not much.
2. If this excludes the Majesty demos and the live-only songs, then I probably agree.
3. I have zero doubt LNF will make the top 100.
4. 120 seems really long, so I'd take the under on that one.
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I'll add my 2 cents with predictions:
1) No more than 3 songs will make all the lists. Actually, if I were a betting man, I would bet at zero being the winning number.
2)All DT songs except Nomac tracs will make at least one list.
3)Contrary to some posters' expectations, Lost not Forgotten will make Top 100 by a comfortable margin.
4)This thread will surpass Mike Portnoy¨s return thread in length by the time we make it to the Top 50. It will end up being at least 120 pages long.
I would say you are right, except about #1 and #4. Last time we ran this, I believe 7 from the top10 made every list. Of course this time is different, but I would guess at least 5 of the top 10 will make every list, and at least 10 in total, since some outside of the top 10 made every list as well.
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I wish Kev was here to validate how many songs made all 26 lists last time around. I think I was doing the mental math wrong on some of my predictions.
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So what you are saying is that you were not right, mentally?
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I wish Kev was here to validate how many songs made all 26 lists last time around.
I just checked the prior thread. Nine songs (marked in bold below) appeared on all 26 lists.
1. Learning to Live (#1 on 4 lists)
2. A Change of Seasons (25/26) (#1 on 4 lists)
3. Octavarium (#1 on 4 lists)
4. Metropolis Part 1 (#1 on 2 lists)
5. Voices (#1 on 1 list)
6. Breaking All Illusions
7. Trial of Tears (#1 on 1 list)
8. Home (25/26)
9. Scarred (24/26) (#1 on 1 list)
10. Finally Free
11. In the Name of God (#1 on 2 lists)
12. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (23/26) (#1 on 2 lists)
13. The Glass Prison (23/26) (#1 on 1 list)
14. The Count of Tuscany (24/26)
15. Surrounded (25/26)
16. Bridges in the Sky
Everything from 17 and below fell short of 26. The other four #1 song votes went to The Spirit Carries on (#28), This Dying Soul (#51), 6:00 (#54), and Beneath the Surface (#67).
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Surrounded being in the top 15 is crazy and awesome
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That is a worrisome list.
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At least one of those songs in the top 10 did not make my top 100. It landed at 150. One of those "I don't get the love for this song" kind of things.
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I was going to track down that thread. I didn't save my list from that countdown, though I remember what my #1 was. One of those songs wasn't on my list then and isn't on my list now.
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Since all the cool kids are doing it, my album breakdown:
-WDADU: 5
-I&W: 6
-Awake: 6
-FII: 6
-SFAM: 7
-SDOIT: 6
-TOT: 5
-8VM: 6
-SC: 4
-BCSL: 3
-ADTOE: 7
-DT: 8
-TA: 12 (I was surprised by this number)
-d/t: 9
-View: 7
-Other: 3
I was interested to see my top 10 breakdown by album as well, so:
-WDADU: -
-I&W: 2
-Awake: 1
-FII: -
-SFAM: 1
-SDOIT: 2
-TOT: -
-8VM: 1
-SC: -
-BCSL: -
-ADTOE: 1
-DT: -
-TA: -
-d/t: 1
-View: -
-Other: 1
Other fun facts about my list, without getting too spoilery:
-As of my #48, all albums were represented.
-It took until #96 for an album to have ALL songs represented.
-Taking just my top 4 or top 5 albums (it comes out the same either way), 78% of the total number of songs made my list.
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My top 10
IaW: 1
ACOS: 1 (where does this get labeled, other?)
SDOIT: 2
TOT: 1
8VM: 2
BCSL: 1
ADTOE: 2
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Top 10
I&W: 1
Awake: 1
Non-Album: 1
SFaM: 1
SDoIT: 1
ToT: 1
8VM: 2
SC: 1
ADTOE: 1
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All albums but one are represented in the top 40 of mine. The top 10 has only one repeated album.
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My top 10:
IAW - 1
Awake - 2
FII - 1
SFAM - 2
SDOIT - 2
8V - 1
Other - 1
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The lowest ranking song representing the highest rank from an album (did that make sense?) is #70.
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My top 10:
WDADU - 1
I&W - 1
Awake - 4
FII - 1
SDoIT - 1
ToT - 1
Octavarium - 1
And now for the full album breakdown:
WDADU - 6
I&W - 7
Awake - 10
ACOS - 1
FII - 10
SFAM - 9
SDOIT - 6
TOT - 6
Octavarium - 8
SC - 6
BC&SL - 3
ADTOE - 5
DT12 - 8
TA - 7
DOT - 4
AVFTTOTW - 2
Other - 2
MP era: 74
MM era: 26
After I submitted, I realized a bunch of TA tracks didn't get a fair shake. Maybe next time with DT16 battling for spots as well :lol
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I'll add my 2 cents with predictions:
1) No more than 3 songs will make all the lists. Actually, if I were a betting man, I would bet at zero being the winning number.
2)All DT songs except Nomac tracs will make at least one list.
3)Contrary to some posters' expectations, Lost not Forgotten will make Top 100 by a comfortable margin.
4)This thread will surpass Mike Portnoy¨s return thread in length by the time we make it to the Top 50. It will end up being at least 120 pages long.
I would say you are right, except about #1 and #4. Last time we ran this, I believe 7 from the top10 made every list. Of course this time is different, but I would guess at least 5 of the top 10 will make every list, and at least 10 in total, since some outside of the top 10 made every list as well.
IMO, this time will be very different. Instead of just 26 lists, there are 65 or so. A lot more diversity in tastes. The chances of there being at least one Stadler for a massively popular song are much higher.
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It's the 5th!! :corn
My top 10, if everyone is doing it...
I&W - 5
ASFaM - 2
8V - 1
BC&SL - 1
D12 - 1
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Now that we are doing Top 10 album breakdown...
WADADU - 1
Awake - 4
Scenes - 1
BCSL - 1
ADTOE - 1
DT12 - 1
Non-album - 1
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Top 10?
I&W - 6
SFAM - 3
Six Degrees - 1
:lol
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Top 10:
I&W - 2
Awake - 1
SFAM - 1
ToT - 1
8VM - 1
SC - 1
ADTOE - 3
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Top 10:
I&W - 2
Awake - 1
SFAM - 1
ToT - 1
8VM - 1
SC - 1
ADTOE - 3
Ooh, I got this....
I&W - Another Day, Wait for Sleep
Awake - Puppies On Acid :neverusethis:
SFAM - Regression
TOT - Vacant
8VM - The Answer Lies Within
SC - Prophets of War
ADTOE - Build Me Up, Break Me Down, Far From Heaven
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1 A Dramatic Turn of Events
1 Black Clouds
1 Falling Into Infinity
1 Images & Words
1 Non-album
1 Octavarium
1 Scenes
1 Six Degrees
2 Train of Thought
Not a bad spread, that.
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Top 10
Images and Words - 4
Awake - 1
Falling Into Infinity - 1
Scenes from a Memory - 1
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence - 1
Octavarium - 1
Other - 1
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Top 10:
I&W - 2
Awake - 1
SFAM - 1
ToT - 1
8VM - 1
SC - 1
ADTOE - 3
Ooh, I got this....
I&W - Another Day, Wait for Sleep
Awake - Puppies On Acid :neverusethis:
SFAM - Regression
TOT - Vacant
8VM - The Answer Lies Within
SC - Prophets of War
ADTOE - Build Me Up, Break Me Down, Far From Heaven
I like how Build Me Up, Break Me Down counts for two. :biggrin:
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I was going to track down that thread. I didn't save my list from that countdown, though I remember what my #1 was. One of those songs wasn't on my list then and isn't on my list now.
Maybe you still got the pm you send Kevin back then, there you'll find your list.
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So, today's the day. I'm really looking forward to the countdown. :tup
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Bottom 91 to 100
Train of Thought - 3
Octavarium - 2
Systematic Chaos - 1
Black Clouds and Silver Linings - 1
Dream Theater - 1
The Astonishing - 2
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Pretty sure your entire top 20 will be tracks from The Astonishing :biggrin:
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Let the comments of others' favorite songs that make the countdown begin! ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/PXjosNC.jpg)
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LET'S GO
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Pretty sure your entire top 20 will be tracks from The Astonishing :biggrin:
Had it been counted as one piece it would have taken the top....
Individually though the songs don't reach those highs.
Not even 1 in the top 10..
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Top 10:
I&W - 2
Awake - 1
SFAM - 1
ToT - 1
8VM - 1
SC - 1
ADTOE - 3
Ooh, I got this....
I&W - Another Day, Wait for Sleep
Awake - Puppies On Acid :neverusethis:
SFAM - Regression
TOT - Vacant
8VM - The Answer Lies Within
SC - Prophets of War
ADTOE - Build Me Up, Break Me Down, Far From Heaven
I like how Build Me Up, Break Me Down counts for two. :biggrin:
I had Build Me Up at #35, and Break Me Down at #51. ;) :) :) :) :)
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Top 10:
I&W - 2
Awake - 1
SFAM - 1
ToT - 1
8VM - 1
SC - 1
ADTOE - 3
Ooh, I got this....
I&W - Another Day, Wait for Sleep
Awake - Puppies On Acid :neverusethis:
SFAM - Regression
TOT - Vacant
8VM - The Answer Lies Within
SC - Prophets of War
ADTOE - Build Me Up, Break Me Down, Far From Heaven
I like how Build Me Up, Break Me Down counts for two. :biggrin:
I had Build Me Up at #35, and Break Me Down at #51. ;) :) :) :) :)
NO SPOTLIGHTING!!!!
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:lol
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:corn
In the words of Bender...."Let's Go Already!"
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Reap, the master of suspense-building.
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Alright lets fucking do this, I went through the lists again to see if I messed anything up and I think I'm good now so lets get started:
100. Never Enough
Highest Finish: 6 (DragonAttack)
Number of Lists appeared on: 36 (DragonAttack, Jamesman42, porcacultor, twosuitsluke, jeff_kinsley, nobloodyname, Setlist Scotty, jammindude, wolfking, jingle.boy, energythief, Evermind, Adami, TAC, MustActFastToCoverUp, NoFred, mariner, Cool Chris, Vmadera00, PixelDream, weirdo, Dave_Manchester, CanuckChum, bosk1, Revenge319, lucasembarbosa, Mladen, The Realm, Wim Kruithof, SwedishGoose, Dittomist, hefdaddy42, MirrorMask, Zydar, axeman90210, CharlesPL)
Didn't make my list, I really disliked this song when I first heard it, and my dislike has just grown over the years.
99. Wither
Highest Finish: 13 (twosuitluke)
Number of Lists appeared on: 37 (twosuitsluke, ReaperKK, pg1067, MirrorMask, ReaPsTA, WardySI, Adami, Evermind, Wim Kruithof, Dream Team, devieira73, Trav86, Mladen, Zydar, MoraWintersoul, lightningbolt, Jamesman42, PixelDream, JPZealot, Dittomist, nobloodyname, Metro, wolfking, weirdo, Peter Mc, jeff_kinsley, Podaar, Setlist Scotty, CharlesPL, JiM-Xtreme, Cool Chris, Revenge319, energythief, hefdaddy42, CanuckChum, KevShmev, The Realm)
As an opposite I loved this song when I first heard it. I think it was the first song I fell in love with when hearing Black Clouds.
98. The Gift Of Music
Highest Finish: 35 (TAC)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42 (TAC, devieira73, DragonAttack, Indiscipline, CanuckChum, NoFred, lightningbolt, Mladen, bosk1, mariner. King Puppies and the Acid Guppies. Stadler. Trav86. JPZealot. Zydar, Revenge319, Podaar, lucasembarbosa, axeman90210, MirrorMask, Animal, Peter Mc, nobloodyname, Dittomist, Lethean, MustActFastToCoverUp,weirdo, DTwwbwMP, Mosh, OpenYourEyes311, Ben_Jamin, hefdaddy42, Dream Team, Fonzie, Awaken, porcacultor, jingle.boy, SwedishGoose, Jamesman42, romdrums, Vmadera00, Setlist Scotty)
Barely missed my list, it's not a bad song but I never listen to it on it's own.
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NR - Wither. It made the first iteration of my list at 100 or 99 or something, but got bumped out.
Never Enough (52)... loved it when it came out. I get the fans pushback at the time to Mike over this, but I listened to it in the context of a relationship. Still like it quite a bit.
Gift of Music (88)... I wish I could rate this one a little higher, but damn the lyrics are awful.
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The lyrics are really what put me off on Never Enough, just terrible
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Kay... is it safe to assume that the order of names listed who rated it is in progression of how high they rated it? IE, if DragonAttack had Never Enough highest, then Jamesman was the one who rated it 2nd highest? Just curious.
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100. Never Enough
Highest Finish: 6 (DragonAttack)
Number of Lists appeared on: 36
99. Wither
Highest Finish: 13 (twosuitluke)
Number of Lists appeared on: 37
98. The Gift Of Music
Highest Finish: 35 (TAC)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42
Never Enough: #69. Used to love this track when I first discovered the band. It has not aged well, but it is still very enjoyable. Also, I love the drum work from MP on this track.
Wither: NR (#107). This track could have easily moved up to the top 100.
The Gift of Music: #97 Fine track. Good intro to the album.
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91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
Not rated
Wither (99)
These are all fine songs but in a discography like Dream Theaters they are not that great.
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Never Enough - #59 - I think it could be a bit lower (I just used what ranker gave me after one run) but overall seems right for me. I do like the song, it works in context of 8VM. I think it's supposed to be Muse-influenced? I wouldn't know as I've heard maybe one or two songs by Muse.
Wither - #40 - I like it quite a bit. Rather simple DT ballad, they have a lot of better ones, but still an enjoyable listen. Good lyric subject too. Hoped to see it a little higher to be honest (13th on Luke's list, wow! is that your favourite DT ballad?)
The Gift of Music - not ranked - ehh. I think the run from The Answer to Three Days is excellent and easily the best run of songs on The Astonishing, but The Gift of Music is not my jam. I remember I was not that excited for TA after I've heard this (this was the first single, right? or was it Moment of Betrayal?).
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100 Never Enough - 96 for me, so fairly in line with the consensus. I'm almost never in the mood to hear just this song, but when I play Octavarium and it comes up, I enjoy it. The lyrics are what they are, but it grooves pretty well, and I love Mike's drum and cymbal work here.
99 Wither - 92 for me, so again, in line. The Shattered Fortress wound up higher for me in this ranking, but I normally think of this as my favorite song from that godforsaken album. *shrugs*
98 The Gift of Music - This one ranked at # 80 for me, so I guess I liked it better than most. As the opening of the album, it really set the tone for me, and left me with lots of hope. However, most of the rest of the album doesn't live up to this promise established at the outset.
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HERE WE GO!
I ranked all three of these tracks myself.
Never Enough (31): criminally underrated. Contains one of DT's best instrumental passages
Wither (76): one of their better ballady things and James is bearable on this one
The Gift of Music (72): I don't think this appearing at 98 bodes well for the rest of The Astonishing because this is one of the better, more widely appealing tracks from it
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Kay... is it safe to assume that the order of names listed who rated it is in progression of how high they rated it? IE, if DragonAttack had Never Enough highest, then Jamesman was the one who rated it 2nd highest? Just curious.
It does seem to track with your and my ranking of Never Enough.
99 Wither - 92 for me, so again, in line. The Shattered Fortress wound up higher for me in this ranking, but I normally think of this as my favorite song from that godforsaken album. *shrugs*
According to the ranker Wither is my second favourite song from BC&SL and now that I think about it, that's indeed correct for me.
The Gift of Music (72): I don't think this appearing at 98 bodes well for the rest of The Astonishing because this is one of the better, more widely appealing tracks from it
Fairly sure more tracks from TA will show up.
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Oh, I'm sure they will. I think I mean in terms of the album's depth of reach :lol
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Kay... is it safe to assume that the order of names listed who rated it is in progression of how high they rated it? IE, if DragonAttack had Never Enough highest, then Jamesman was the one who rated it 2nd highest? Just curious.
As of now yes! I'm playing with ways I can sort the data using Kev's sheet instead of mine but I'll let you guys know if it changes
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Never Enough didn't make my list. It's a very good song, but I think is too much close to Muse's Stockholm Syndrome, almost a plagiarism to my ears and that always bugged me.
Wither (my #59) is just beautiful and has that distant vibe, almost Kevin Moorish, which I think is really special.
The Gift of Music (my #36) is excellent, creative in the choir arrangements and really shows everything DT is all about in only 4 minutes. I don't know if there's another DT song that achieves that so concisely.
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What the shit is this?! :lol
I bloody love Wither and Never Enough was at #20!
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100. Never Enough Woohoo! Glad to see some love for this song! Yeah, it's very Muse-ish and the lyrics are a bit blunt, but it's still a great song - especially the instrumental bit in the middle. I like Muse, so the Muse vibe didn't phase me, and having had close contact with MP and having seen a lot of the crap that he's dealt with regarding some fans, I can understand why he wrote those lyrics. It ranked 32 on my list.
99. Wither A decent song, although for the most part, I've never been a huge fan of DT's ballads, with a few exceptions. But this one rated higher for me than several of their other ballads. 83 on my list.
98. The Gift Of Music One of a handful of songs from TA that did make my list. Once again, a decent enough tune, but nothing spectacular, IMO. Just made my list at 99, so pretty much on the button with this one.
99 Wither - 92 for me, so again, in line. The Shattered Fortress wound up higher for me in this ranking, but I normally think of this as my favorite song from that godforsaken album. *shrugs*
Wow! You don't even like TCoT? I mean lyrically it might not be good, but musically, it's amazing!
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Never Enough (97) - A fine song, I guess. It's never struck me as a standout track or something. I've barely listened to Muse, so I don't get the connection/influence here.
Wither (64) - A nice ballad that I've always enjoyed. I actually attended my very first DT show in 2009 when they debuted this song live.
The Gift Of Music (63) - One of only three songs from TA on my list. I liked it enough when it was released as a single pre-album launch. I really enjoy the choir that comes in at 01:55 ("My brother Gabriel is all the hope we need").
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100. Never Enough - Didn't make my list at #116 in my final ranking, but I still think this a really cool song. If you haven't watched MP's breakdown of his drumming for this song, I suggest finding a copy of In Constant Motion. It's pretty incredible how he uses three different beats for the verses because he liked all of them and couldn't choose.
99. Wither - My list is chock full of highly rated ballads, but this one didn't make the cut at #129. It's fine, but not amazing.
98. The Gift of Music - #78 on my list. They released this as I was in a local performance of Godspell and it always reminds me of one of the songs from that and my time during that show. Pretty cool riff and a nice opening to an epic album.
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And we're off, nice!
100. Never Enough #93
99. Wither #50
Wither to this day has the best video Dream Theater ever made for a single. I really like both the song and video.
98. The Gift of Music #didn't make my list.
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Wow! You don't even like TCoT? I mean lyrically it might not be good, but musically, it's amazing!
Some parts of it I find fantastic, but the parts I don't like bring the rest down, so that combined with the lyrics, I never listen to it anymore. There's no "there" there for me.
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Yea the Wither video was pretty great
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Yea the Wither video was pretty great
Agreed, one of their best IMO
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Hrmm I just got another countdown idea, best videos lmao, maybe include official live releases
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Hrmm I just got another countdown idea, best videos lmao, maybe include official live releases
The best DT video of all time is JP and JLB laugh-off
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Hrmm I just got another countdown idea, best videos lmao, maybe include official live releases
The best DT video of all time is JP and JLB laugh-off
(https://eda7bb1812.cbaul-cdnwnd.com/4b641df9d1e746caf456206704ff006a/200000065-43fe245149/Sin%20t%C3%ADtuloll.jpg)
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100 Never Enough - didn't make the top 100
99 Wither - #54 - I think this is a very well-constructed "ballad" and I like JP's lyrical approach
98 The Gift of Music - #81 - not much to add with this, a pretty standard single from DT these days
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100. Never Enough #100, same here
99. Wither #86
98. The Gift of Music #-
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Never enough was my #92. From the moment I heard it, I thought the chorus was really catchy, and the instrumental section works well. I got into Muse about five years after hearing this song, and it actually made me appreciate it more.
Wither was my #61. Initially, I was a bit lukewarm on it, it didn't have much to offer melodically at first, but as years went by, I started just enjoying the vibe of it. I love it now.
The Gift of music was my #54. If such a fun and remarkably well-constructed song barely made the cut, then I do not have high hopes for stuff from The Astonishing. It's a shame.
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138. Wither - I like ballads - just wait! - but this just falls flat with me.
123. Never Enough - One of those songs that I don't DISLIKE, but I don't like it enough to rank it higher; I love Mike's playing but dislike the Muse-like vocals of the verses. LOVE the "what would you say?" parts. Second lowest of the O8 tracks.
59. The Gift of Music - not the highest of my TA songs; but a beautiful melody. Just a beautiful song.
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100. Never Enough - I had this at 83. I always liked the song. I find nothing objectionable about the lyrics, but knowing the context that this was aimed specifically at some fans that clearly crossed the line and went too far, and that it is not about fan complaints in general, helps in that regard. Good instrumentation. It's ranked where it is just because I like other songs better, and not because it is a bad song.
99. Wither - Did not make my list. I liked it when it came out, but quickly bored of it. Nothing bad about it; just nothing that calls me back anymore and makes me want to listen.
98. The Gift Of Music - 54. I know I'm not the highest, but I know ranking it that high might might surprise some. It's just a well-crafted song. Serves a similar function to Strange Deja Vu, and reminds me of it in a lot of ways. It does a good job of setting up a lot of things in the story and, IMO, is a great start to the concept album that I wish some other parts had lived up to. I like the direct Hunger Games reference in the lyrics in the "song bird stops to listen when he sings" part, and love where the instrumentation and solo go in that part of the song as well.
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Never Enough- I had this at #99, so pretty on the money. I dislike the lyrics, but Mike also has some killer drum parts. The rest of this song is solid, but nothing special IMO.
Wither- Not rated. It's OK, but there's just nothing exciting or special about it in any way. I don't skip it if I'm listening to all of Black Clouds, but otherwise never go out of my way to listen to it.
The Gift of Music- I put this at #69 (nice) on my list. A well done upbeat little rocker to kick off The Astonishing. The third highest rated song from the album for me.
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Not much to add honestly. All good mid-tier DT songs. Never been bothered about the lyrics or vocals or museness of Never Enough either.
Never enough #72
Wither #79
Gift of Music #77
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100. Never Enough (17th) I don't get how this is at 100. This song has many cool parts, especially the instrumental break.
99. Wither (66th) Solid song, when it hits, it's great but it doesn't always warrant a listen.
98. The Gift Of Music (92nd) It's alright. Past entry 82 on my list is stuff that just had to be ranked.
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100. Never Enough (17th) I don't get how this is at 100. This song has many cool parts, especially the instrumental break.
Yes! Finally :biggrin: :metal
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Never Enough - I've actually warmed to this song over the last couple years. It used to always be an automatic skip. Having said that it still barely missed my top 100, coming in at 107. The instrumentation is very cool and I have no problems with the lyrics, but there are just that many DT songs I like more.
Wither - Funnily enough this one came in just below Never Enough on my ranking, at 108. It's a fine ballad-like song, but not nearly as good as other DT ballads.
The Gift of Music - My favorite song on The Astonishing, coming in at 58 and if I remember correctly I only have 3 or 4 other TA songs in my top 100. This is a great song though, both musically and vocally. I really like the vocal melodies. The only issue I have with it is the lyrics, which I've talked about over in the TA thread.
108 - Wither
107 - Never Enough
58 - The Gift of Music
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Just a comment, Wither from 2:55 until the end of the solo is pure gold. :hefdaddy :heart
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Just a comment, Wither from 2:55 until the end of the solo is pure gold. :hefdaddy :heart
While the song was just out of the top 100 for me, I agree. The "I drown in hesitation" part is incredible.
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For my rankings, I will include a number in parentheses showing the difference in placements from the last ranking I did.
Never Enough - My ranking: #89 (-18)
While it's clearly Muse-inspired, I think Never Enough is still pretty unique for a Dream Theater song. I love the electronic sounds, and the guitar blends together well with the keyboards to create a distinct sound. I've never had a problem with the lyrics, though maybe that's because even as a relatively new fan (I started listening to DT in 2016), I've seen a lot of somewhat harsh criticisms of the band and their music over the years that puzzle me. In my eyes, Dream Theater gets so much right and the only "criticism" I usually have is that some songs are a little less interesting than the majority. And even disregarding what the song's meant to be about, I still think the lyrics are well-written.
Wither - My ranking: #90 (-4)
Not much to comment on, but Wither is a great, solid song from start to finish. This used to rank a lot higher for me, but over the years it's gotten outclassed by a lot of others. The highlight of this song, as others have already mentioned, is the bridge and guitar solo. James sounds amazing here.
The Gift of Music - My ranking: #63 (-2)
This song does great at introducing the story, and despite the lyrics being mostly about how people are suffering at the hands of an evil empire, the music is so elegant, and filled with a lively, uplifting energy. I enjoy how the song's mood starts changing once Gabriel is introduced. The tempo picks back up from the quiet piano section, goes into another verse, and then takes off with that powerful chorus. The guitar solo that comes afterwards is also great.
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Alright lets fucking do this, I went through the lists again to see if I messed anything up and I think I'm good now so lets get started:
100. Never Enough
Highest Finish: 6 (DragonAttack)
Number of Lists appeared on: 36 (DragonAttack, Jamesman42, porcacultor, twosuitsluke, jeff_kinsley, nobloodyname, Setlist Scotty, jammindude, wolfking, jingle.boy, energythief, Evermind, Adami, TAC, MustActFastToCoverUp, NoFred, mariner, Cool Chris, Vmadera00, PixelDream, weirdo, Dave_Manchester, CanuckChum, bosk1, Revenge319, lucasembarbosa, Mladen, The Realm, Wim Kruithof, SwedishGoose, Dittomist, hefdaddy42, MirrorMask, Zydar, axeman90210, CharlesPL)
Didn't make my list, I really disliked this song when I first heard it, and my dislike has just grown over the years.
99. Wither
Highest Finish: 13 (twosuitluke)
Number of Lists appeared on: 37 (twosuitsluke, ReaperKK, pg1067, MirrorMask, ReaPsTA, WardySI, Adami, Evermind, Wim Kruithof, Dream Team, devieira73, Trav86, Mladen, Zydar, MoraWintersoul, lightningbolt, Jamesman42, PixelDream, JPZealot, Dittomist, nobloodyname, Metro, wolfking, weirdo, Peter Mc, jeff_kinsley, Podaar, Setlist Scotty, CharlesPL, JiM-Xtreme, Cool Chris, Revenge319, energythief, hefdaddy42, CanuckChum, KevShmev, The Realm)
As an opposite I loved this song when I first heard it. I think it was the first song I fell in love with when hearing Black Clouds.
98. The Gift Of Music
Highest Finish: 35 (TAC)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42 (TAC, devieira73, DragonAttack, Indiscipline, CanuckChum, NoFred, lightningbolt, Mladen, bosk1, mariner. King Puppies and the Acid Guppies. Stadler. Trav86. JPZealot. Zydar, Revenge319, Podaar, lucasembarbosa, axeman90210, MirrorMask, Animal, Peter Mc, nobloodyname, Dittomist, Lethean, MustActFastToCoverUp,weirdo, DTwwbwMP, Mosh, OpenYourEyes311, Ben_Jamin, hefdaddy42, Dream Team, Fonzie, Awaken, porcacultor, jingle.boy, SwedishGoose, Jamesman42, romdrums, Vmadera00, Setlist Scotty)
Barely missed my list, it's not a bad song but I never listen to it on it's own.
I didn't rank Never Enough. I don't care for the music, and I despise the lyrics. Nor did I rank TGOM. It's fine, and it might have snuck in if I had given a bit more consideration to TA songs.
I had Wither at #27. It's my favorite DT ballad and a close second for favorite song on BC&SL. I love some of the cymbal work, and JP's solo is awesome. Lyrically, it's very similar to the one song from my old band that I didn't have a writing credit. I even kinda like the JP vocal demo.
By the way, my top 10:
I was interested to see my top 10 breakdown by album as well, so:
-WDADU: 0
-I&W: 2
-Awake: 1
-FII: 0
-SFAM: 2
-SDOIT: 2
-TOT: 1
-8VM: 1
-SC: 0
-BCSL: 0
-ADTOE: 0
-DT12: 0
-TA: 0
-DOT: 0
-View: 0
-Other: 1
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I had Never Enough at #32.
Wither and The Gift of Music did not rank.
I love Panic Attack. I don’t understand why Mike caught flak for the lyrics. I understand that the fan base at large probably isn’t deserving, but I’ve never felt like he was addressing the entire fanbase at large, just the very vocal sub-section that acts like bratty Star Wars fans.
Basically, if you’ve never treated him the way he’s talking about, then he’s not talking about you. And I can see that it must be extremely frustrating and exhausting to put so much emotion into your art, and get (on some occasions) very hurtful and disrespectful flak in return. I guess I’m in the minority that applaud the lyrics.
I liked Wither at first, but listening back just felt like a generic ballad.
The Gift of Music might be the worst lead single in the bands history [checks list - oh, I guess I ranked Paralyzed a tad lower…but that might be undeserved]
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I had Panic Attack at 63.
Wither and The Gift of Music did not rank.
I love Panic Attack. I don’t understand why Mike caught flak for the lyrics. I understand that the fan base at large probably isn’t deserving, but I’ve never felt like he was addressing the entire fanbase at large, just the very vocal sub-section that acts like bratty Star Wars fans.
Basically, if you’ve never treated him the way he’s talking about, then he’s not talking about you. And I can see that it must be extremely frustrating and exhausting to put so much emotion into your art, and get (on some occasions) very hurtful and disrespectful flak in return. I guess I’m in the minority that applaud the lyrics.
Wrong song :)
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I had Panic Attack at 63.
Wither and The Gift of Music did not rank.
I love Panic Attack. I don’t understand why Mike caught flak for the lyrics. I understand that the fan base at large probably isn’t deserving, but I’ve never felt like he was addressing the entire fanbase at large, just the very vocal sub-section that acts like bratty Star Wars fans.
Basically, if you’ve never treated him the way he’s talking about, then he’s not talking about you. And I can see that it must be extremely frustrating and exhausting to put so much emotion into your art, and get (on some occasions) very hurtful and disrespectful flak in return. I guess I’m in the minority that applaud the lyrics.
Wrong song :)
:facepalm: :facepalm:
You’re right I was thinking of never enough. Sorry
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Never Enough - My ranking: #19
Yeah, I love this track! The Muse inspiration (I know it's a pretty heavy one at that) doesn't bother me, and live it's so much fun. What other song would get JLB to apply his pelvic thrust against a magazine?
Wither - My ranking: #137
I'm surprised it missed my top 100! I have nothing against the song, it's pretty appreciated.
The Gift of Music - My ranking: #82
Fun stuff! Actually thought it'd rank higher in the collective list, but I guess people just don't have the TIIIIiime for music anymore... (just kidding)
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Didn't submit a list, but I'll follow along to the extent I'm able.
I like The Gift of Music a good bit actually. Never Enough might be one of my least favorite DT tunes, and Wither seemed pretty tedious from what I remember of it.
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I had Panic Attack at 63.
Wither and The Gift of Music did not rank.
I love Panic Attack. I don’t understand why Mike caught flak for the lyrics. I understand that the fan base at large probably isn’t deserving, but I’ve never felt like he was addressing the entire fanbase at large, just the very vocal sub-section that acts like bratty Star Wars fans.
Basically, if you’ve never treated him the way he’s talking about, then he’s not talking about you. And I can see that it must be extremely frustrating and exhausting to put so much emotion into your art, and get (on some occasions) very hurtful and disrespectful flak in return. I guess I’m in the minority that applaud the lyrics.
Wrong song :)
Edited my original post to reflect the correct title and ranking of Never Enough…which I had at #32.
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I had Panic Attack at 63.
Wither and The Gift of Music did not rank.
I love Panic Attack. I don’t understand why Mike caught flak for the lyrics. I understand that the fan base at large probably isn’t deserving, but I’ve never felt like he was addressing the entire fanbase at large, just the very vocal sub-section that acts like bratty Star Wars fans.
Basically, if you’ve never treated him the way he’s talking about, then he’s not talking about you. And I can see that it must be extremely frustrating and exhausting to put so much emotion into your art, and get (on some occasions) very hurtful and disrespectful flak in return. I guess I’m in the minority that applaud the lyrics.
Wrong song :)
Edited my original post to reflect the correct title and ranking of Never Enough…which I had at #32.
Yeah, but I think the commentary seems more applicable to Never Enough, not PA??
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Well, yeah. Because he was actually talking about Never Enough :lol
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Gift of Music was #77 for me. Wither & Never Enough came in at 101 & 102.
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Never Enough- 96
The transition from Panic Attack into this song is so cool!
Wither- 72
Like a few others have said, this isn't a song I get the urge to revisit often, but it's very pleasant and heartfelt.
The Gift of Music- 75
Yeah, I also thought this would be one of the higher-placed Astonishing songs and so hopefully there are surprises much farther down the line. I have 5 TA songs above this one on my list.
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100. Never Enough
Highest Finish: 6 (DragonAttack)
Number of Lists appeared on: 36 (DragonAttack, Jamesman42, porcacultor, twosuitsluke, jeff_kinsley, nobloodyname, Setlist Scotty, jammindude, wolfking, jingle.boy, energythief, Evermind, Adami, TAC, MustActFastToCoverUp, NoFred, mariner, Cool Chris, Vmadera00, PixelDream, weirdo, Dave_Manchester, CanuckChum, bosk1, Revenge319, lucasembarbosa, Mladen, The Realm, Wim Kruithof, SwedishGoose, Dittomist, hefdaddy42, MirrorMask, Zydar, axeman90210, CharlesPL)
99. Wither
Highest Finish: 13 (twosuitluke)
Number of Lists appeared on: 37 (twosuitsluke, ReaperKK, pg1067, MirrorMask, ReaPsTA, WardySI, Adami, Evermind, Wim Kruithof, Dream Team, devieira73, Trav86, Mladen, Zydar, MoraWintersoul, lightningbolt, Jamesman42, PixelDream, JPZealot, Dittomist, nobloodyname, Metro, wolfking, weirdo, Peter Mc, jeff_kinsley, Podaar, Setlist Scotty, CharlesPL, JiM-Xtreme, Cool Chris, Revenge319, energythief, hefdaddy42, CanuckChum, KevShmev, The Realm)
98. The Gift Of Music
Highest Finish: 35 (TAC)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42 (TAC, devieira73, DragonAttack, Indiscipline, CanuckChum, NoFred, lightningbolt, Mladen, bosk1, mariner. King Puppies and the Acid Guppies. Stadler. Trav86. JPZealot. Zydar, Revenge319, Podaar, lucasembarbosa, axeman90210, MirrorMask, Animal, Peter Mc, nobloodyname, Dittomist, Lethean, MustActFastToCoverUp,weirdo, DTwwbwMP, Mosh, OpenYourEyes311, Ben_Jamin, hefdaddy42, Dream Team, Fonzie, Awaken, porcacultor, jingle.boy, SwedishGoose, Jamesman42, romdrums, Vmadera00, Setlist Scotty)
I had Never Enough at #60.
It is kind of cringey how close it is to Stockholm Syndrome, which for some reason, I just heard for the first time just a few months ago. I actually really like the song, and it is a sneaky great James performance.
I had Wither as Not Ranked.
I mean, the last 30 and the handful that just missed the cut are all pretty much interchangeable. This time around, it just missed the cut.
I had The Gift Of Music at #35.
I feel like if I only had 4 minutes (and not a 4 minute section of a songlike Metropolis) to show someone what Dream Theater is all about, I'd give them ..um..The Gift Of Music!
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Stealing your template Tim.
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Hrmm I just got another countdown idea, best videos lmao, maybe include official live releases
The best DT video of all time is JP and JLB laugh-off
(https://eda7bb1812.cbaul-cdnwnd.com/4b641df9d1e746caf456206704ff006a/200000065-43fe245149/Sin%20t%C3%ADtuloll.jpg)
Hell yeah motherfucker
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Never Enough I had at #42. This jumped up quite a lot on my recent listen of 8VM. Really solid tune. The Muse rip doesn't worry me, it's a really killer tune with a fantastic chorus.
Wither I had at #78. Could have been a bit higher I guess, it's a great tune. Nice solo, nice melodies.
The Gift of Music I didn't rank. On my listen though, it was enjoyable enough.
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Just a comment, Wither from 2:55 until the end of the solo is pure gold. :hefdaddy :heart
While the song was just out of the top 100 for me, I agree. The "I drown in hesitation" part is incredible.
There are some chilling drum fills right there!
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Never Enough: didn't make the cut.
I have nothing against the lyrics and I love Muse and Stockholm Syndrome. I just don't appreciate DT mimicing, even when in an extremely competent and classy way like in this case.
Wither: didn't make the cut.
Nice, but not memorable or poignant enough to beat other 100 tunes by the greatest band of my generation.
The Gift of Music: #46
Excellent showcase of the things I love most in DT songwriting and great example of my DT Compass Theory (DT is at its best north of Queen, south of Iron Maiden, west of Yes, east of Journey.)
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The Gift of Music: #46
Excellent showcase of the things I love most in DT songwriting and great example of my DT Compass Theory (DT is at its best north of Queen, south of Iron Maiden, west of Yes, east of Journey.)
I agree!
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The Gift of Music: #46
Excellent showcase of the things I love most in DT songwriting and great example of my DT Compass Theory (DT is at its best north of Queen, south of Iron Maiden, west of Yes, east of Journey.)
Which is a problem when the The Gift of Music compass is aligned like this
Queen
Yes Journey
Iron Maiden
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ReaperKK: Thanks for hosting! I appreciate the insane amount of work that goes into these types of things.
Kev: Thanks for getting us started! Ditto I know you put in a bunch of work early on and I appreciate it. I'm looking forward very much to the countdown.
So I did the preference revealer for my list and only adjusted for formatting/double checking for areas, and I am actually surprised that of these three, only The Gift of Music made the top 100. Honestly all three are in a similar realm for me and there might be days where I prefer Never Enough. I'll speak in defense of one the most polarizing DT songs to say that Never Enough has a killer instrumental section and some cool rhythmic stuff in the verses. Otherwise 100 seems about right.
Big meh on Wither.
Gift of Music is probably the best written song of the three if we're being real. It has a really nice hook, some good riffing, and an insane instrumental section. I think it sets up The Astonishing well and the album suffers by not having more songs that are as well written and structured while also carrying the story along. On the album it often feels like you can have a good song or you can move the plot forward but you can't have both. The Gift Of Music is a big exception.
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Never Enough - I ranked at 92. The Muse influence was extremely jarring to me at the time but it never stopped me from liking the song. A solid tune and cool instrumental section.
Wither - I ranked at 100! Just made it and just missed the consensus. On another day this song could have been ranked a bit higher or possibly missed my top 100 but I'm happy to see it here.
The Gift of Music - not ranked and absolutely no chance.
How many of us are in this countdown? I know there is a list of names at the start of the thread but would be handy to know (too lazy to count). I think Kev would usually post xx out of xx for how many lists a song made. Great work though Reaper.
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Of these I only ranked Wither #38
A rather beautiful song!
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Never Enough - NR
I liked this one back in the day. I didn't know Muse but everyone was talking about how Never Enough was a Muse rip-off so I checked them out. Long story short, now I have Never Enough to thank for making me a Muse fan but I can't appreciate this song any more - it just feels fake.
Wither - NR
DT ballads are a mixed bag. This one is not as bad as The Answer Lies Within but still feels rather generic - a ballad by numbers.
The Gift of Music - 71
When I first heard TAC say that TGOM was the everything DT was about distilled into 4 minutes, I thought he was either being sarcastic or in a dire need of a therapist. But now I kind of feel that way too. I gave TA a lot of spins for this countdown and became a big fan of this album.
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OK, so this thing has really started, and the hot takes are there right from the get go! I think I need to buckle up and prepare myself for a lot of my favourite songs to be ranked real low (or not at all!).
My ranking so far
13. Wither
20. Never Enough
140. The Gift of Music
Let's get into it.
Wither, I knew, never had a chance of landing in the top 50, but it shocks me it's this low. I know a lot of people give it a lukewarm response, and are not fans of the theme of the song. What saves it for me is the guitar solo. I really love it and it really elevates the whole thing for me. I think the other big factor is that a big fan of that era of the band, and the run from Octavarium to Black Clouds.
Never Enough was also pretty high for me. I really love Octavarium and all of the songs from the album landed in my top 40. I definitely rank the album as a whole pretty consistent and I didn't see any of the songs as particularly weak.
The Gift of Music was left off my list and I find it wild that it's collectively ranked above the other two. I think shocked pikach face is going to standard for me with this countdown!
Bring on the next three.
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OK, so this thing has really started, and the hot takes are there right from the get go! I think I need to buckle up and prepare myself for a lot of my favourite songs to be ranked real low (or not at all!).
My ranking so far
13. Wither
20. Never Enough
140. The Gift of Music
Let's get into it.
Wither, I knew, never had a chance of landing in the top 50, but it shocks me it's this low. I know a lot of people give it a lukewarm response, and are not fans of the theme of the song. What saves it for me is the guitar solo. I really love it and it really elevates the whole thing for me. I think the other big factor is that a big fan of that era of the band, and the run from Octavarium to Black Clouds.
Never Enough was also pretty high for me. I really love Octavarium and all of the songs from the album landed in my top 40. I definitely rank the album as a whole pretty consistent and I didn't see any of the songs as particularly weak.
The Gift of Music was left off my list and I find it wild that it's collectively ranked above the other two. I think shocked pikach face is going to standard for me with this countdown!
Bring on the next three.
Is Wither your favourite DT ballad? #13 seems crazy high for me but I've got a few similar picks on my list. :)
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Luke putting Wither so high on his list are the kind of hot takes I'm looking forward to most from this countdown.
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OK, so this thing has really started, and the hot takes are there right from the get go! I think I need to buckle up and prepare myself for a lot of my favourite songs to be ranked real low (or not at all!).
Conversely, for the songs that made your list, I also suspect expect A) you to be the one to have the highest rank for several most of the songs from 50-100, and B) you will have a the most NR's. :lol
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I had Never Enough on 62 and TGOM on 75, Wither not ranked.
I expected TGOM to be a bit higher on the list, it's my highest ranked TA-track (of 6).
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100. Never Enough - Not ranked. I don't hate it.
99. Wither - I had this at 81. Good song, good guitar solo, decent lyrics. 10 years ago I would have ranked it higher.
98. The Gift Of Music - 64. A well crafted kickoff to The Astonishing...an album I just don’t have time for anymore.
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:icy:
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Interesting pg1067, curious to see what the songs turn out to be. My top 10 's filled with:
- Images & Words: 1
- Awake: 1
- Six Degrees: 1
- Octavarium: 1
- Systematic Chaos: 2
- Black Clouds: 1
- Dream Theater: 1
- A View from the Top: 1
- non album: 1
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OK, so this thing has really started, and the hot takes are there right from the get go! I think I need to buckle up and prepare myself for a lot of my favourite songs to be ranked real low (or not at all!).
Conversely, for the songs that made your list, I also suspect expect A) you to be the one to have the highest rank for several most of the songs from 50-100, and B) you will have a the most NR's. :lol
I think Stadler would like a word.
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OK, so this thing has really started, and the hot takes are there right from the get go! I think I need to buckle up and prepare myself for a lot of my favourite songs to be ranked real low (or not at all!).
Conversely, for the songs that made your list, I also suspect expect A) you to be the one to have the highest rank for several most of the songs from 50-100, and B) you will have a the most NR's. :lol
I think Stadler would like a word.
I'll put my chips on Luke.
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The Gift of Music was 57. One of my favorites from The Astonishing.
Never Enough was 67. One of my lowest-ranked from a top 3 album for me.
Wither was NR. I like it... just not enough to get it into the top 100.
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OK, so this thing has really started, and the hot takes are there right from the get go! I think I need to buckle up and prepare myself for a lot of my favourite songs to be ranked real low (or not at all!).
My ranking so far
13. Wither
20. Never Enough
140. The Gift of Music
Let's get into it.
Wither, I knew, never had a chance of landing in the top 50, but it shocks me it's this low. I know a lot of people give it a lukewarm response, and are not fans of the theme of the song. What saves it for me is the guitar solo. I really love it and it really elevates the whole thing for me. I think the other big factor is that a big fan of that era of the band, and the run from Octavarium to Black Clouds.
Never Enough was also pretty high for me. I really love Octavarium and all of the songs from the album landed in my top 40. I definitely rank the album as a whole pretty consistent and I didn't see any of the songs as particularly weak.
The Gift of Music was left off my list and I find it wild that it's collectively ranked above the other two. I think shocked pikach face is going to standard for me with this countdown!
Bring on the next three.
Is Wither your favourite DT ballad? #13 seems crazy high for me but I've got a few similar picks on my list. :)
It's actually not my highest ranking ballad, there are two above it.
Luke putting Wither so high on his list are the kind of hot takes I'm looking forward to most from this countdown.
It's what we're all here for. I'm just shocked by how wrong you all are!
OK, so this thing has really started, and the hot takes are there right from the get go! I think I need to buckle up and prepare myself for a lot of my favourite songs to be ranked real low (or not at all!).
Conversely, for the songs that made your list, I also suspect expect A) you to be the one to have the highest rank for several most of the songs from 50-100, and B) you will have a the most NR's. :lol
I think Stadler would like a word.
Right?! Wait, am I Stadler now? This is an unexpected turn.
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Never Enough. 100. Not ranked. I have never enjoyed this song. A rarity for DT.
Wither. 99. Not ranked. It's a nice song, but I like other DT songs more. Ballads are not my go-to's typically.
The Gift of Music. 98. I have 10 TA songs in my top 100, but this one didnt make it. It gets better as it goes, and is important in setting the story. I like it better when I watch the video. James looks cool. :biggrin:
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#97-95 brought to you today by my hangover :lol. Just a heads up the user list of people submitted is no longer sorted by point total, it's a bit too much work to organize it that way, sorry Jingle!
97. Vacant
Highest Finish: 15 (Evermind)
Number of Lists appeared on: 36 (Adami, Animal, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dittomist, energythief, Evermind, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, Lethean, lightningbolt, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, The Realm, Vmadera00, wolfking, Zydar)
Just missed my list but I really loved this song on ToT. It fit the tone of the album perfectly.
96. Afterlife
Highest Finish: 20 (OpenYourEyes311)
Number of Lists appeared on: 41 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dream Team, Evermind, Fonzie, Jamesman42, jammindude, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, TAC, The Realm, Trav86, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Afterlife really grew on me over the years, enough so that it made my list.
95. Forsaken
Highest Finish: 21 (energythief)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42 (Animal, Awaken, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dittomist, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, Jamesman42, jeff_kinsley, jonny108, JPZealot, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, mariner, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, MustActFastToCoverUp, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Trav86, twosuitsluke, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Personally this song ranked 25 for me. I'm kind of shocked it placed so low. It's a killer track, great riff and is a perfect example of DT doing nice, short, songs.
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100. Never Enough (17th) I don't get how this is at 100. This song has many cool parts, especially the instrumental break.
99. Wither (66th) Solid song, when it hits, it's great but it doesn't always warrant a listen.
98. The Gift Of Music (92nd) It's alright. Past entry 82 on my list is stuff that just had to be ranked.
97. Vacant (70th) This song is so awesome on its own and how it leads into SoC
96. Afterlife (98th) See: The Gift of Music
95. Forsaken (87th) It's alright, live is good.
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Afterlife is one DT song that has grown on me more and more over the years. The version on Score is awesome.
Vacant is fine. Forsaken is forsaken.
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Vacant - 85
Afterlife - 57
Forsaken - DNR
Vacant is SOOO GORGEOUS!!! The only thing that kept it a bit lower down the list is that it feels more like an intro than a proper individual song. I’ve never heard them play them together, and that’s a shame. Every time I hear the live versions they’ve played separately, it always sounded like something was missing.
Afterlife has always been a top shelf song for me. It was one of the songs that was played fairly regularly on the IAW tour, and so I heard JLB do it a lot and I’ve always loved his rendition. But the original is a standout.
Forsaken is the lamest lead single they’ve ever done. Mostly bland song from mostly subpar album.
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97. Vacant A dark somber ballad that is OK, but not good enough to make my top 100.
96. Afterlife The one song on WDaDU that I have never been able to get into, and therefore the only song from WDaDU not to make my top 100.
95. Forsaken The first song on SC that really caught my ear when I got the album. It's catchy ear candy although not of the same depth and quality of a lot of DT's other material. It ended up at 47 on my list.
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Wow, all three are around the same grouping in my ranks :lol
Vacant (76) - A beautiful song, and a nice breather from the onslaught that is ToT.
Afterlife (80) - I've always liked this one, the Score version is my favourite over the album version though (sorry Charlie). That JR and JP solo section is jawdropping.
Forsaken (78) - Nothing much to say, really. A nice track from SC.
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Vacant: 45. Beautiful and gut-wrenching, and my favourite James' performance as Singer, not just vocalist.
Afterlife: Didn't make the cut. Too formulaic for what I look for in DT.
Forsaken: Didn't make the cut. Too formulaic for what I look for in DT.
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Vacant didn't make it at 128; and Forsaken was #117.
But yeah, Afterlife is a great example of a short DT song that still manages to hit a lot of marks. Love the drumming and riffs and of course that awesome solo section + unison. James SLAYS it on Score. Had it at #31.
31 Afterlife
54 Wither
81 The Gift of Music
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken
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Vacant - My ranking: #93 (+4)
Vacant is beautiful. James did great with his lyrics and vocal performance, and the piano and cello create a deep sense of sadness. I feel a little bad ranking songs like this on the lower end of the scale, I feel like I should've ranked this one a little higher even though I know there's so much tough competition.
Afterlife - My ranking: #142 (-7)
A bottom 10 Dream Theater song for me... which means it's an alright song. Really, the only problem with this song is that aside from the chorus and the first and last 3 seconds, I don't remember anything about this song. What I do remember is good, though.
Forsaken - My ranking: #131 (-4)
I rarely ever listen to Forsaken, but when I do, it's enjoyable. Lots of better Dream Theater songs out there, but still good. Nice to see it's gotten a better reputation recently, too; a few years ago it seemed like the consensus was that Forsaken was one of the worst DT songs ever made, which I don't really understand.
63. The Gift of Music
89. Never Enough
90. Wither
93. Vacant
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131. Forsaken
142. Afterlife
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Vacant just missed the cut for me. It's a lovely song. Looking back on my list and some of the songs that did make it, I should have put it in.
Afterlife was my #39. I'm stunned it ended up this low. Not only is the studio version perfectly fine, but the versions with James that are out there are stellar, especially the Score rendition.
Forsaken was my #98. It's a good, catchy tune.
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Afterlife was my #39. I'm stunned it ended up this low. Not only is the studio version perfectly fine, but the versions with James that are out there are stellar, especially the Score rendition.
That is true, he really elevates the song. That's why I had it in my 100.
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One interesting thing when I was doing my own rankings was how much more I enjoyed WDADU.
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Forsaken was #56 for me. The two "singles" from SC were my favorites (Constant Motion being the other). Lyrics are a bit silly.
Afterlife is #68 and I also love the James version on Score. (Maybe because I got to see it in person!!!).
Vacant did not make my list, but I found to be a neat song.
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I'm honestly loving this and giddy over the thought of it going on for a good while. I only had one out of these three in my top 100, and it should come as no surprise that it's the one from Systematic Chaos.
My ranking so far
13. Wither
20. Never Enough
49. Forsaken
109. Vacant
113. Afterlife
140. The Gift of Music
Vacant and Afterlife both just missed my list, and are also ranked closely together, so I'm not too far off the general consensus. I don't really have anything to say about either, other than this. Ruslan, you ranking Vacant so high is as wild to me as Wither was to you :lol it just feels too much like an interlude I guess. That's not necessarily a bad thing, it just lowers my ranking of it.
Forsaken I really like though. My ranking is based almost wholly on Petrucci's guitarwork. The riffs, leads and solos literally make the song. I don't think the lyrics or performances by other members are particularly bad or good, just pretty solid. It's also mainly to do with Systematic Chaos being the first new DT release that came out after I became a fan.
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Was away on vacation, missed this thing starting! love the way the results are presented :tup
I'm glad Wither and Forsalen at the very least made the cut. I'm also pleasantly surprised that I'm NOT the one who ranked them higher :lol
Never Enough was 96 for me. Decent song but it's too much derivative.
Wither was 28. Excellent ballad.
The Gift of Music was 70. Surprised I have it so low, but hey, I trusted the system.
Forsaken was 29, amazing song and one of their best shorter and to the point ones.
Afterlife didn't make my cut.
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Vacant - none
Afterlife - 46
Forsaken - none
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Oh I have Forsaken a little bit higher than the mediun.
Nice enough song and one of few that rated from Systematic Chaos.
Vacant and Afterlife did not make it for me though.
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (98)
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I'll be here to defend Vacant in ~30 minutes. Incredible song. #15 is a hot take, I know.
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OK, so this thing has really started, and the hot takes are there right from the get go! I think I need to buckle up and prepare myself for a lot of my favourite songs to be ranked real low (or not at all!).
My ranking so far
13. Wither
20. Never Enough
140. The Gift of Music
Let's get into it.
Wither, I knew, never had a chance of landing in the top 50, but it shocks me it's this low. I know a lot of people give it a lukewarm response, and are not fans of the theme of the song. What saves it for me is the guitar solo. I really love it and it really elevates the whole thing for me. I think the other big factor is that a big fan of that era of the band, and the run from Octavarium to Black Clouds.
Never Enough was also pretty high for me. I really love Octavarium and all of the songs from the album landed in my top 40. I definitely rank the album as a whole pretty consistent and I didn't see any of the songs as particularly weak.
The Gift of Music was left off my list and I find it wild that it's collectively ranked above the other two. I think shocked pikach face is going to standard for me with this countdown!
Bring on the next three.
Is Wither your favourite DT ballad? #13 seems crazy high for me but I've got a few similar picks on my list. :)
It's actually not my highest ranking ballad, there are two above it.
Luke putting Wither so high on his list are the kind of hot takes I'm looking forward to most from this countdown.
It's what we're all here for. I'm just shocked by how wrong you all are!
OK, so this thing has really started, and the hot takes are there right from the get go! I think I need to buckle up and prepare myself for a lot of my favourite songs to be ranked real low (or not at all!).
Conversely, for the songs that made your list, I also suspect expect A) you to be the one to have the highest rank for several most of the songs from 50-100, and B) you will have a the most NR's. :lol
I think Stadler would like a word.
Right?! Wait, am I Stadler now? This is an unexpected turn.
Embrace it, Luke, it's like a warm bath. :)
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145. Vacant
138. Wither
123. Never Enough
121. Afterlife
59. The Gift of Music
44. Forsaken
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Vacant - #15 - it's an absolutely gorgeous song. A bit unusual for DT, but brimming with emotion, and just executed so deftly. Everything in this song is perfect. I love DT ballads, and I think after this one they've kinda lost their heart-wrenching, really tugging on your soul strings ballad spark—only to be recaptured on ADTOE. I'm very surprised this isn't somewhere in #70-80 range.
Ruslan, you ranking Vacant so high is as wild to me as Wither was to you :lol it just feels too much like an interlude I guess.
Interlude my ass. :lol Never thought of it as an interlude at all. Good to see different opinions though! (even though I think yours is a bit daft)
Afterlife - #92 - had it there on the strength of Score version. Solid song but not one of my favourites.
Forsaken - #34 - yeah this one is way too low. Such a good song, short, catchy, to the point—I never got the hate for it. Always an enjoyable listen.
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Better catch up before I get left behind...
100. Never Enough - ...did not make my top 100. Has a rather cool and unique main riff (played on one string on the guitars... not so easy for us bassists!) and a couple of cool keyboard sounds but, the fact that this one feels more like a Muse rip-off rather than a true DT song is a bit too off-putting for me to rank any higher.
99. Wither - this one ranked slightly higher for me at 89. Perfectly listenable and the highlight for me is the quiet chorus before the guitar solo but, overall nothing special.
98. The Gift of Music - ...did not make my top 100. I like the fact that it's a very up-tempo introduction to the album proper and that it's in a major key but the vocal melodies rather let it down for me, I find them a bit generic here. Nice keyboard solo towards the end though.
97. Vacant - 79 for me. Surprised this one didn't rank higher. For a short song, it has a very big impact - the lyrics are so powerful and very nicely sung. Love the instrumentation too, I believe this is one of only two songs where JR and JM are the only instrumentalists (unless we're counting the violin - not sure if that's sampled or a guest violinist?)
96. Afterlife - 91 for me. A solid up-tempo rocker with nice melodies and riffs throughout, and of course an awesome guitar and keyboard unison.
95. Forsaken - ...did not make my list. Surprised this one even cracked the top 100, there's just nothing about it that stands out for me.
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Vacant - #15 - it's an absolutely gorgeous song. A bit unusual for DT, but brimming with emotion, and just executed so deftly. Everything in this song is perfect. I love DT ballads, and I think after this one they've kinda lost their heart-wrenching, really tugging on your soul strings ballad spark—only to be recaptured on ADTOE. I'm very surprised this isn't somewhere in #70-80 range.
Ruslan, you ranking Vacant so high is as wild to me as Wither was to you :lol it just feels too much like an interlude I guess.
Interlude my ass. :lol Never thought of it as an interlude at all. Good to see different opinions though! (even though I think yours is a bit daft)
Afterlife - #92 - had it there on the strength of Score version. Solid song but not one of my favourites.
Forsaken - #34 - yeah this one is way too low. Such a good song, short, catchy, to the point—I never got the hate for it. Always an enjoyable listen.
I agree with you on Forsaken. I don't quite get the hate, myself.
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OK, so this thing has really started, and the hot takes are there right from the get go! I think I need to buckle up and prepare myself for a lot of my favourite songs to be ranked real low (or not at all!).
My ranking so far
13. Wither
20. Never Enough
140. The Gift of Music
Let's get into it.
Wither, I knew, never had a chance of landing in the top 50, but it shocks me it's this low. I know a lot of people give it a lukewarm response, and are not fans of the theme of the song. What saves it for me is the guitar solo. I really love it and it really elevates the whole thing for me. I think the other big factor is that a big fan of that era of the band, and the run from Octavarium to Black Clouds.
Never Enough was also pretty high for me. I really love Octavarium and all of the songs from the album landed in my top 40. I definitely rank the album as a whole pretty consistent and I didn't see any of the songs as particularly weak.
The Gift of Music was left off my list and I find it wild that it's collectively ranked above the other two. I think shocked pikach face is going to standard for me with this countdown!
Bring on the next three.
Is Wither your favourite DT ballad? #13 seems crazy high for me but I've got a few similar picks on my list. :)
It's actually not my highest ranking ballad, there are two above it.
Luke putting Wither so high on his list are the kind of hot takes I'm looking forward to most from this countdown.
It's what we're all here for. I'm just shocked by how wrong you all are!
OK, so this thing has really started, and the hot takes are there right from the get go! I think I need to buckle up and prepare myself for a lot of my favourite songs to be ranked real low (or not at all!).
Conversely, for the songs that made your list, I also suspect expect A) you to be the one to have the highest rank for several most of the songs from 50-100, and B) you will have a the most NR's. :lol
I think Stadler would like a word.
Right?! Wait, am I Stadler now? This is an unexpected turn.
Embrace it, Luke, it's like a warm bath. :)
A warm sponge bath, I assume?
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3 out of 3 today!
Vacant (35) I might have rated it 10 spots higher and it would still feel right. A beautiful song. By a twist of fate, it somehow became a song I will always associate with my grandfather passing. And considering how personal the lyrics are for James, it is no wonder his performance is so great.
Afterlife (44) This, like a lot of WDADU stuff, has this classic heavy-metal vibe that does not feel like "proper" DT. But it is so damn catchy and just rocks.
Forsaken (89) This song has alway been a kind of guilty pleasure for me. Yes, the lyrics are what they are and it is not a song you would play to show what DT is about. But I always quite enjoyed it (unlike lot of SC stuff).
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97. Vacant
96. Afterlife
95. Forsaken
Vacant is nice little a transitional song (along the lines of Wait for Sleep and The Silent Man). It ranked at #79 for me.
Afterlinfe is a solid song with a catchy chorus. It ranked at #59.
My opinion about Forsaken started high and then it has slipped quite a bit. I had it at #84.
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97. Vacant
Highest Finish: 15 (Evermind)
Number of Lists appeared on: 36 (Adami, Animal, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dittomist, energythief, Evermind, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, Lethean, lightningbolt, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, The Realm, Vmadera00, wolfking, Zydar)
96. Afterlife
Highest Finish: 20 (OpenYourEyes311)
Number of Lists appeared on: 41 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dream Team, Evermind, Fonzie, Jamesman42, jammindude, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, TAC, The Realm, Trav86, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
95. Forsaken
Highest Finish: 21 (energythief)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42 (Animal, Awaken, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dittomist, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, Jamesman42, jeff_kinsley, jonny108, JPZealot, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, mariner, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, MustActFastToCoverUp, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Trav86, twosuitsluke, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had Vacant as Not Rated.
The original NOMAC track.
I had Afterlife at #74.
Never really appreciated it until the Score performance. Best performance ever of the song.
I had Forsaken at #90.
Yeah, it's way back on the list, but it's a song I like a lot, and I think James slays on it.
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Again only 1 of 3 today had Forsaken at #70
Vacant is lovely but NR and here is where I admit to being a bit of a WDADU snob in that while I know the album okay it just never overly resonated with me as a DT album. Which is utterly ridiculous and short sighted on my part but think Animal summed it up nicely above and that's kinda how I've looked at it too.
So here I am playing Afterlife remembering it to be cool but not the calibre of couple the other album tracks yet now completely mesmerised at how great it is. In a Fates Warning kinda vibe too which is a plus.
Don't get me wrong there's some older and demo era stuff on my list but yeah, one of the reasons I love to get involved in these type threads is appreciating songs I've overlooked and realising what a moron I've been :lol
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3 out of 3 for me today but all in that range of 70 to 100 which is pretty interchangeable.
Vacant - my rank 78. Some really nice music in this track. I especially like the strings (cello?). Not a huge fan of the vocals but the music really leads well into the following track. And as others have said it does feel more like an interlude and not a fully developed song but it is still effective.
Afterlife - my rank 83. Some nice parts, especially the instrumental section. I do really like the music but fine the vocal melody fairly weak and uninspiring. Again, as other have said the version on Score is probably the best.
Forsaken - my rank 86. Probably liked this more on release than I do now. One of those shorter, more commercial DT songs, has a really good riff but is pretty formulaic overall.
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Vacant- Not rated. A nice somber little number but never stood out in any way. Glad to have been at one of the few live performances of it though.
Afterlife- #60 on my list. I don't particularly care for most of WDaDU, so this is on my radar mostly because of the Score rendition, but it's just a killer performance :metal
Forsaken- Not rated. Nothing terribly wrong with it, but it's also super forgettable to me.
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Vacant - So this ended up at #143 and thinking back now, I must have misclicked in the ranking engine somewhere. It should be higher, maybe still not in the top 100, but it's a good little ballad-like song. Definitely a unique sound in the DT catalog.
Afterlife - This came in at #30, mostly on the strength of the When Dream and Day Reunite and Score renditions. I still like original album version as well, just not as much. That opening guitar riff with those drum stabs is great, then to finally resolve into the opening verse is sublime! Then there are multiple great guitar lead lines throughout. I like the very bass forward approach too. The guitar/keyboard unison run is also amazing.
Forsaken - This slipped into my list at #91. Definitely much better than some give it credit for, but not a classic. I really like that opening piano melody and the following guitar riff is great too. The vocal melodies are pretty good too.
143 - Vacant
108 - Wither
107 - Never Enough
91 - Forsaken
58 - The Gift of Music
30 - Afterlife
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Vacant (51): fabulous song. Beautifully composed, wonderfully performed and excellent lyrics about an awful and sensitive subject. For me, Dream Theater ballads are usually too syrupy for their own good (This Is The Life is a possibly the number one example of this but you could pick four others easily) but this one is spot on. I might be misremembering but didn't somebody say they'd ranked this down with the NOMAC tracks? I mean, what? There are takes and there takes but that? Just no :)
Afterlife (75): my enjoyment of this song improved immeasurably due to hearing it a number of times during the Octavarium tour. And its performance on Score is, of course, stellar. Love the riffage, main melody and solo
Forsaken (not ranked/bottom 20): one of Dream Theater's worst songs. Cringeworthy lyrics, cliched riffing. It's an Evanescence B-side. And yet people are are giving it a pass over Never Enough in the derivative stakes? Huh?
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97. Vacant #not ranked, although the story of LaBrie's daughter is emotional and the simplicity of the song really is wonderful.
96. Afterlife #77
95. Forsaken #87 it's been my ringtone for several years now and it's still not bothering me.
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Out of the last 3, only Forsaken made my list at #76.
Vacant is a beautiful piece, fits the mood and flow of the album perfectly. But I agree that it feels a bit like an interlude. A short breather between 2 big songs. I had it at #103 so pretty close to the consensus.
I never got into WDADU. I dont enjoy Dominici's singing much. In my mind I&W has always felt like the first album. Not to shit on WDADU, im just honestly not too familiar with the material on it. I think 1 song from the album made my list.
Forsaken is a good straightforward rocker. Just loses in comparison to the more exciting and structurally interesting tracks (on SC alone)
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Vacant is nice little a transitional song (along the lines of Wait for Sleep and The Silent Man).
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Vacant is nice little a transitional song (along the lines of Wait for Sleep and The Silent Man).
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I mean, Tim saying it was basically a NOMAC track is the biggest diss yet.
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Early update today!
94. S2N
Highest Finish: 11 (bosk1)
Number of Lists appeared on: 41 (Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, TAC, Toro, Trav86, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking)
I think this is one of the weaker tracks of DoT, if not the weakest. It's good and I don't skip it when listening to the album but never something I reach for.
93. Our New World
Highest Finish: 4 (ReaperKK)
Number of Lists appeared on: 38 (Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, jammindude, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, Stadler, SwedishGoose, Toro, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, wolfking, Zydar)
I love this song. Our new world has all the elements of a great DT track, great riff, catchy writing, amazing solo. The song isn't bloated like a lot of DT tracks are.
92. The Looking Glass
Highest Finish: 27 (devieira73)
Number of Lists appeared on: 46 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, The Realm, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Really strong Rush influence here. The song is good but missed the cut for me.
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S2N is on D/T which has not really connected with me. I guess that is partly to do with following the masterpiece that was the Astonishing with something that to me felt like DT by the numbers. This did not rak for me.
Our New World is a great song on my favorite album but the individual songs do not stack up as highly as the whole to me. Still at 37 it's quite the gem for me.
The Looking Glass came in at 65 in my ranking. It's a nice middle of the pack song.
37 Our New World (95)
65 The Looking Glass (94)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (98), S2N (96)
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94. S2n #94 I'm an average guy in here...
93. Our New World #not ranked, although it's really a nice song, can't believe it hit you at 4th Reaper.
92.The Looking Glass #54 One of the best album tracks, really like it.
I see it's still early for you Reaper, you lost track in numbers... and The Looking Glass surely appeared on my list, although my name isn't in there...
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Two out of three today. I think S2N just sneaked in with my initial ranking but as I revised the list it dropped to 125.
My ranking so far:
13. Wither
20. Never Enough
45. The Looking Glass
49. Forsaken
86. Our New World
Not ranked:
109. Vacant
113. Afterlife
125. S2N
140. The Gift of Music
So yea, S2N. It's pretty decent but to be honest a lot of songs from the last two albums do not feature on my list as I'm just not as familiar with them as all the other albums. Love the bass intro, and the bass lines throughout, the instrument is really prominent. Surely Bosk having this at 11 is a hotter take than Wither at 13? Right?!
Our New World is not one of the Astonishing tracks that first springs to mind as top 100 contenders (actually only one song was guaranteed a spot before I started actually ranking). On my revisions though I couldn't leave it off, it came in at #86. Reap, #4! Holy shit.
As with Systematic Chaos, I have soft spot for D12. The Looking Glass isn't the best song on the album but it came in at 45 for me. I love the chorus, even if it is a little cheesy and I think it's just a great all around song.
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94. S2n #94 I'm an average guy in here...
93. Our New World #not ranked, although it's really a nice song, can't believe it hit you at 4th Reaper.
92.The Looking Glass #54 One of the best album tracks, really like it.
I see it's still early for you Reaper, you lost track in numbers... and The Looking Glass surely appeared on my list, although my name isn't in there...
Your vote was counted, I found an issue in my formula to spit out the names of who put it on their list. I'll fix it later.
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ReaperKK, you might wanna correct those numbers in the countdown as it's actually 94 to 92 in order to avoid confusion moving forward. Otherwise, you're doing a fantastic job so far. :tup
Interestingly enough, I didn't rank any of these. All good songs, but they didn't make it.
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Out of these, I have S2N at the 100th place.
Our New World 4th for you Reaper? wow, that's wild! I agree it's concise and to the point, I just happen to not particularly enjoyed, but any love for The Astonishing is welcomed by me.
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97 Vacant: #85 on my list. In its way it's a perfect song, I wouldn't change a single note. But it's short and, to me, "only" an introduction to SoC. If those two were one song, it would probably rank in my Top20 or so.
96 Afterlife: #83, at the lower end of my WDADU-rankings.
95 Forsaken: #97. I almost hit the consensus ranking here. One of the DT songs I find myself humming to when they're on, but I would not sit down and deliberately just listen to it.
94 S2N: #74. I'm not a fan of the chorus. Otherwise a pretty awesome track.
93 Our New World: not ranked
92 The Looking Glass: not ranked. I never really got into that whole DT12 album.
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ReaperKK, you might wanna correct those numbers in the countdown as it's actually 94 to 92 in order to avoid confusion moving forward. Otherwise, you're doing a fantastic job so far. :tup
Interestingly enough, I didn't rank any of these. All good songs, but they didn't make it.
Thanks! I missed that this morning
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I'm sure it doesn't matter Reaper but ìt seems the list of names of lists appearing on for Our New World and TLG is short 3 and 4 to the actual number of lists Only noticed as I knew I has TLG but wasn't listed. That's irrelevant just thought I'd bring it to your attention incase it did have an effect. Not sure about other updates so far though, just noticed here.
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S2N - Did not make my Top 100. It's just never been a standout track or something for me.
Our New World (69) - One of three songs from TA on my list (The Gift Of Music was the first). A nice chorus and a cool rock vibe. This was a late addition to my list.
The Looking Glass (52) - My highest ranked song from DT12, so it's my favourite track off it. It has a nice Rush feel, and that main riff is great.
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S2N - none
Our New World - none
The Looking Glass - none
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S2N- I had this up at #68. DoT might be my favorite Mangini era album, and I think this one is a little underappreciated compared to what's normally highlighted from it. Love the bass intro, James gives a solid performance, the instrumental section is pretty fun, and the outro riff is rocking. This is actually one MM era song I wouldn't mind seeing them bust out with MP, if only because I'm sure he'd have fun covering the Owen Wilson soundbite :lol
Our New World- My highest song from The Astonishing, I had this up at #48. It's short and straightforward by DT standards, but I think both the main riff and the chorus hook are killer. The alternate version with Lzzy hale is a fun glimpse into what could have been if they went full Ayreon with the album.
The Looking Glass- I was right in the ballpark, putting this at #89. An obvious Rush homage, but nothing wrong with that because Rush is great and the song was well put together.
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97. Vacant I had this at number 52 having done the once-through with the ranking engine. I probably would have bumped it higher if I would have taken more time with my list. Lovely song with genuine emotional weight.
96. Afterlife DNR
95. Forsaken 47 for me. I've liked this song from the get go. Great opening riff, cool-creepy lyrics, moody guitar solo, and excellent video.
94. S2N 12 (high-five Bosky). I'm baffled by the apathy this song gets on the forum. To me, this is a monster that never fails to get my blood boiling. I love the energy from the entire band, especially JLB and JM (his most audible tone in decades). Tasteful patch choices by JR and a killer solo by JP.
93. Our New World 50. Catchy, uplifting, well crafted.
92. The Looking Glass 99 on my list. Good song.
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94. S2N
Highest Finish: 11 (bosk1)
Number of Lists appeared on: 41 (Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, TAC, Toro, Trav86, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking)
93. Our New World
Highest Finish: 4 (ReaperKK)
Number of Lists appeared on: 41 (Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, jammindude, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, Stadler, SwedishGoose, Toro, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, wolfking, Zydar)
92. The Looking Glass
Highest Finish: 27 (devieira73)
Number of Lists appeared on: 46 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, The Realm, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00)
I had S2N at # 76.
Songs like S2N and Pale Blue Dot gave you a glimpse of where they were going with View.
I had Our New World as Not Rated.
After a musical journey that The Astonishing takes you on, it ends with such a dud. On overly simple and boring track. Such a let down way to close the album.
I had The Looking Glass as Not Rated.
It's a nice enough song. I don't not like it.
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3/3 for me today :metal
S2N at #52
Our New World #30
The Looking Glass #58
Our New World was an immediate standout fer me too, excellent track!
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I mean, Tim saying it was basically a NOMAC track is the biggest diss yet.
Yeah, but that wasn't the only thing I was hinting at. :)
S2N - not ranked - I have plenty of DoT songs on my list, but this one was never one of my favourites. #11 is crazy to me, but such are tastes.
Our New World - not ranked - gonna basically echo TAC on this one. A little boring and not something I would like to revisit. I know this one and The Gift of Music are considered to be the accessible hits from TA, but I just don't get either of them.
The Looking Glass - #84 - not quite a highlight from DT12, but an alright song. Anything below #80 on my list is something I don't particularly like, but still pleasant enough to listen to. Good song to see live too.
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Don’t know S2N. I do like both Our New World and The Looking Glass. 9 songs in and we’ve exhausted the MM era songs that I’m familiar with.
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96. Afterlife DNR
I see what you did there :neverusethis:
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100. Never Enough (17th) I don't get how this is at 100. This song has many cool parts, especially the instrumental break.
99. Wither (66th) Solid song, when it hits, it's great but it doesn't always warrant a listen.
98. The Gift Of Music (92nd) It's alright. Past entry 82 on my list is stuff that just had to be ranked.
97. Vacant (70th) This song is so awesome on its own and how it leads into SoC
96. Afterlife (98th) See: The Gift of Music
95. Forsaken (87th) It's alright, live is good.
94. S2N (NR) Honestly just not familiar enough with this song yet.
93. Our New World (NR) See: S2N
92. The Looking Glass (54th) This is one of the better tracks off of DT12. Great chorus, surprised it is this low.
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I mean, Tim saying it was basically a NOMAC track is the biggest diss yet.
Yeah, but that wasn't the only thing I was hinting at. :)
You mean you are also ranking those two songs higher than any sane DT fan?
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S2N - Coming in at #68 and easily one of the better songs on DOT. It sounds very Rush like in some ways, especially later era Rush, specifically Clockwork Angels. That rumbling bass, not unlike Geddy's tone. The choices in drum patterns and style, I could see Neil playing something like this. The chorus is really cool and bright. Just a great song from an otherwise disappointing album. Also, Owen Wilson. Wow!
Our New World - Another one from The Astonishing for me at #76. Not quite as good as The Gift of Music, but in a similar vein. Great chord progressions throughout the song. Lyrics are still not up to par, but eh. Between the guitar and vocal melodies, the song makes me happy.
The Looking Glass - And here we have the even more obvious Rush-like track, circa Permanent Waves era. I had this at #50. Also one of the better songs on DT12. Only thing really holding this song back, like the rest of this album, is the production across the board. Still have no idea what the band was thinking. Still, some great stuff here, like the big Neil Peart drum fills, the very Lifeson-esque guitar riffing from Petrucci, the only thing missing is the more forward sounding bass. It's a little too buried in the mix.
143 - Vacant
108 - Wither
107 - Never Enough
91 - Forsaken
76 - Our New World
68 - S2N
58 - The Gift of Music
50 - The Looking Glass
30 - Afterlife
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The looking glass was on my list?
Huh. That’s what I get for using the ranking machine and not actually reviewing any of it or saving a copy. I have no clue what’s on my list. Though I know what my number 1 is.
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The looking glass was on my list?
Huh. That’s what I get for using the ranking machine and not actually reviewing any of it or saving a copy. I have no clue what’s on my list. Though I know what my number 1 is.
You can go to your messages and look under the sent messages to see what you listed.
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97. Vacant - not in the top 100. I dont dislike it, I just don't care to listen to it.
96. Afterlife - not in the top 100. Its ok. I like other songs more.
95. Forsaken - 94 for me. It made the list, but I skip it many times.
94. S2N - 61. I dig this song and hope they play it. It is different, but groovy and I think it would be fun to see. Wow.
93. Our New World - not in the top 100. I love the Astonishing. But not this song, at all.
92. The Looking Glass - not in the top 100. I don't care for this style of Rush music.
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94. S2N Great song on d/t, although there are even better ones still to come (I hope and expect). Would love to see DT do this one live, especially with JP and MP being able to help out with the vocals, since it would be way too much for JL to tackle on his own (being rapid fire). Ended up as #62 on my list.
93. Our New World I'm sorry but this song does pretty much nothing for me, especially the chorus. And the redone version with Lzzy Hale is even worse. Not rated.
92. The Looking Glass As much as I love Rush (being my second favorite band behind DT), when DT does overt Rush-style songs like this, the majority of the time it ends up falling flat to my ears. Needless to say, this one also didn't make my list.
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The looking glass was on my list?
Huh. That’s what I get for using the ranking machine and not actually reviewing any of it or saving a copy. I have no clue what’s on my list. Though I know what my number 1 is.
Number 98! Let me know if you need me to send your list back to you.
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92. The Looking Glass As much as I love Rush (being my second favorite band behind DT), when DT does overt Rush-style songs like this, the majority of the time it ends up falling flat to my ears. Needless to say, this one also didn't make my list.
Couldn't agree more with you on this. It's just not a good song.
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94. S2N - 60 for me. Love this song! It stands out for me as it just sounds like the guys letting loose and having a great time. One of the highlights of DoT which is already a strong album, possibly my favourite of the Mangini era. I love the story behind the making of this song, that JM riff they didn't really know what to do with at first but just wouldn't go away, and how this song only came to be when the album was more or less finished... which goes to further emphasise the "fun" feeling of this song.
Wow, indeed!
93. Our New World - not in my top 100. Whilst I love the musical theme that this is based on (that first appears in Saviour in the Square), I find this instance of it unbearably cheesy. Whilst I have a lot of appreciation for TA as a whole, this song is rather anticlimactic and not one I've ever found myself wanting to go back to in isolation.
92. The Looking Glass - this made it in at 86 for me. Definitely one of the better songs of DT12, although for me that in itself isn't saying much as I consider that their weakest album. It has a great main riff and a nice chorus. Slight nitpick for me is that the vocals sound really over-processed, especially during the first verse, and that is really off-putting. Whilst the Rush influence is all-too apparent I don't mind it at all here. Great song - it would be cool to see live with MP behind the kit :)
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S2N: Didn't make the cut. God knows how many times I listened to D/T, and I still can't retain anything from this tune.
Our New World: 68. Joyous and power-poppishly jumpy. Completely apart musically from the rest of the album in order to brilliantly distinguish narrative music from actual music the fictional world is finally capable to make.
The Looking Glass: 72. The right balance of homage (instead of mimicking) and elegant semplicity (instead of run-of-the-millism)
The Score so far:
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
68 - Our New World
72 - The Looking Glass
Not Rated: Never Enough, Wither, Afterlife, Forsaken, S2N
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Vacant is nice little a transitional song (along the lines of Wait for Sleep and The Silent Man).
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Not entirely sure what that means. Is my comment somehow disrespectful or controversial?
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94. S2N
93. Our New World
92. The Looking Glass
Didn't rank ONW. Very generic Broadway rock track.
S2N is my favorite song on DOT. Lots of tasty riffs. I had it at #28. If, in fact, MP is tasked with creating setlists going forward, I hope he recognizes that a lot of people want this to make its first live appearance.
The Looking Glass is excellent. 92 is way too low. I had it at #31.
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S2N - Probably won't ever listen to this track again but I am sure it is fine....? Just not for me. Unranked.
Our New World - Generic is a good way to sum up this one, thanks pg. I guess it is catchy enough so I can see the appeal. Also unranked.
The Looking Glass - My rank 73. I have always struggled with the production of this album but it does have some good songs and this is one of them.
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I'm a bit surprised to see Our New World place so low. I don't like TA but that song slaps from start to finish.
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Agreed.
Not only was Our New World an immediate stand out for me, it went quite a ways to redeeming things after what was otherwise a pretty rubbish album. Not an album I disliked just not what I was hoping for from the band. Was also pleased to see they released a band performance video to support it and didn't decide to tie the album story into film instead letting the song stand alone!
I may be wrong but maybe the Broadway vibe might be based less on this actual song but on the Astonishing as a whole? As I just don't hear anything other than a beautifully crafted rock song delivered with usual DT expertise (hint love the solo). All IMO of course, can respectfully appreciate why folks feel otherwise ;)
But aside from two slight amendments my results were almost entirely based on where they fell using the ranker, and I am quietly shocked ONW only fell at #30. Because tbh I expected it would easily fall in my 20.
Fer my ears ONW is worth the price of admission alone ;D
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I had Vacant at number 88. It could easily not be in the top 100 but it's a vital piece to the album IMO and a really nice piece on its own with great lyrics.
Afterlife for me came in at 58. Funny, when I posted my Hollow Years solo, Tim mentioned about that version making it a top 20 song. I then said I wasn't ranking based on live versions but it has dawned on my that this would have actually came in a lot lower if it weren't for the Score version. So I guess subconsciously I ranked it higher than the album version would have. That version is incredible though.
Forsaken came in at 71. This probably should have been higher actually. I really enjoyed it on my recent SC listen. I love the simple generic kinda riff and overall some nice melodies.
I had S2N at 67. A really interesting unique piece. Fresh and pretty exciting IMO. I love TDEN nod at the end with the riff and Jordan just ripping hard. That last harmonic minor kinda lick from Jordan at 5:50 is so fucking cool.
Our New World was at 94. This was one fresh enjoyable song from my listen of this album not long ago. Again, something different and gives me Harem Scarem vibes. I decent song that can stand on its own.
The Looking Glass came in at number 64 for me. Always an enjoyable song and placed nicely in the album. I never minded the Rush influence here. Excellent chorus.
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The Looking Glass (my #27) is a great mix of Rush/Journey/UK (in that shorter Trial of Tearsish solo). Amazing single!
S2N (my #25) has one of the best bass/drums combo in the entire DT discography and to me is great example to see the impact MM finally had in DT songwriting in the last 2 albums. And that ending (kind of a more syncopated version of TDEN's ending) is totally killer!
Our New World didn't make my list. It has good guitar melodies and solos, but something is missing in it to really engage, it drags a bit. Maybe the drums doesn't propel the song like it should.
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One interesting thing when I was doing my own rankings was how much more I enjoyed WDADU.
Missed this earlier - nice to hear. If you go in without prior bias and just listen to the song craft and playing, you see the light.
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The Gift of Music: #46
Excellent showcase of the things I love most in DT songwriting and great example of my DT Compass Theory (DT is at its best north of Queen, south of Iron Maiden, west of Yes, east of Journey.)
Which is a problem when the The Gift of Music compass is aligned like this
Queen
Yes Journey
Iron Maiden
I have a strong suspicion that if TGOM was on an album with a different title you wouldn’t have this strong of a reaction. Because there is nothing about the song that is out of line with any other typical DT single.
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S2N - DNR
Our New World - 41
The Looking Glass - 83
S2N is just one of those songs from D/T that did nothing for me. D/T has some very high highs, but this isn’t one of them.
Our New World is wonderful. Love this song. I sometimes feel sad that this song gets more attention and love than A Life Left Behind (which I think is an even better song from TA) but I’m glad to see it listed. Totally worthy of being listed among DT’s best material.
Sometimes these countdowns can reveal some gross oversights in one’s own list and me having The Looking Glass at 83 is one of those. There is no way that song should be that low. DT is my favorite MM album and TLG is one of the best. This really should have been way higher on my list.
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The list is looking very fascinating.
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100. Never Enough (77). A heavier song with great drumming from MP. I know not everyone likes it but I enjoy the way James sings during the verses.
99. Wither (94). A good ballad that is a nice breather in between the longer songs on Black Clouds.
98. The Gift of Music (47). My second favourite from The Astonishing, they do a lot here in a short amount of time. I think it works well as the first proper song of the album.
97. Vacant (34). Beautiful and haunting, even if they have done this kind of idea before. It is great as an intro to Stream of Consciousness, but I will fairly often just listen to it by itself as well.
96. Afterlife (Unranked). Not bad, but I just don't reach for this that much.
95. Forsaken (97). A shorter and catchier song with nice vocals from James.
94. S2N (71). Great intro from JM, and I like the first verse a lot ("What's the state of humanity?"). Wish there was one more verse with that style. Nice bass sound throughout.
93. Our New World (Unranked). For being the main ending track of the album I was hoping for a bit more from this. Reprising the opening melody of A Savior in the Square is pretty cool though.
92. The Looking Glass (Unranked). This one almost made my list. I think the reason it didn't is that I now prefer Transcending Time for a more Rush-like song, this is still good though.
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My own 100:
094: S2n (Distance Over Time) #94
093: Never Enough (Octavarium) #100
087: Forsaken (Systematic Chaos) #95
077: Afterlife (Dream and Day) #96
054: The Looking Glass (Dream Theater) #92
050: Wither (Black Clouds) #99
not rankend: #3 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World
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The list is looking very fascinating.
Why? We're not even 10% into it yet. :lol
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The list is looking very fascinating.
Why? We're not even 10% into it yet. :lol
You having a The Astonishing song higher ranked than me, (which didn't made my 100), is indeed fascinating to me.
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The list is looking very fascinating.
Why? We're not even 10% into it yet. :lol
You having a The Astonishing song higher ranked than me, (which didn't made my 100), is indeed fascinating to me.
You and me both!
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You and me both!
Although I did find it hard to rank the individuals from The Astonishing. Only two made my list, with #75 as the highest. I think the album is close to perfect but as individual songs I hardly ever visit them.
But, with only a few exceptions... that counts for Scenes From a Memory for me as well. Songs are beautiful as piece of a bigger structure but it is hard to rank them individually. And although I do consider Scenes From a Memory an even much more wonderful piece, it's not dominating this list for me. #22 Is my highest ranked Scenes-song.
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Shit, my highest ranking Astonishing song is higher than your highest! :omg: Now that is Astonishing.
You know, I think the 2 songs making my list was pure novelty after my recent listen. I'm sure if I looked at it again there would be 2 songs I'd sub in. Ah well.
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Somehow I have 12 songs from The Astonishing on my list but only one of them is from Disc 2.
You know, I think the 2 songs making my list was pure novelty after my recent listen. I'm sure if I looked at it again there would be 2 songs I'd sub in. Ah well.
I think if you spent more time with your highest ranking song from TA (no spotlighting!) you'd rank it even higher.
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Just peeking in to say that I admire those of you who have the time to do this. :lol
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I didn't participate in the last countdown, and I don't want to look it up and spoil where this list might go, but...
*Please no spoilers*
How does the list so far match up to the previous one? Totally different or some similar song placements?
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You know, I think the 2 songs making my list was pure novelty after my recent listen. I'm sure if I looked at it again there would be 2 songs I'd sub in. Ah well.
I think if you spent more time with your highest ranking song from TA (no spotlighting!) you'd rank it even higher.
Yeah, I guess that's entirely possible.
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I didn't participate in the last countdown, and I don't want to look it up and spoil where this list might go, but...
*Please no spoilers*
How does the list so far match up to the previous one? Totally different or some similar song placements?
You don't want spoilers and the need to look up the old list yet you ask the question in the next line how they are stacking up so far? Is this a trap? :lol
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I didn't participate in the last countdown, and I don't want to look it up and spoil where this list might go, but...
*Please no spoilers*
How does the list so far match up to the previous one? Totally different or some similar song placements?
You don't want spoilers and the need to look up the old list yet you ask the question in the next line how they are stacking up so far? Is this a trap? :lol
I wasn't clear :lol
I don't want to spoil how the Top of the previous countdown looks (top 20 especially) but I DO want to know how numbers 100-92 in this list compare specifically to 100-92 in the previous list.
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I didn't participate in the last countdown, and I don't want to look it up and spoil where this list might go, but...
*Please no spoilers*
How does the list so far match up to the previous one? Totally different or some similar song placements?
You don't want spoilers and the need to look up the old list yet you ask the question in the next line how they are stacking up so far? Is this a trap? :lol
I wasn't clear :lol
I don't want to spoil how the Top of the previous countdown looks (top 20 especially) but I DO want to know how numbers 100-92 in this list compare specifically to 100-92 in the previous list.
This is how the songs posted so far placed in the previous countdown.
100. Never Enough (#99)
99. Wither (-)
98. The Gift Of Music (#83)
97. Vacant (#89)
96. Afterlife (#96)
95. Forsaken (#95)
94. S2N (#70)
93. Our New World (#97)
92. The Looking Glass (#92)
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Luke was probably responsible for Wither making it at all. :lol
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Luke was probably responsible for Wither making it at all. :lol
Oh, I 100% was!
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That's crazy that some of the songs placed exactly the same (or at least to me it is).
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An the 90's are done!
91. A New Beginning
Highest Finish: 13 (Lethean)
Number of Lists appeared on: 41 (Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, Indiscipline, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, Mladen, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, Peter Mc, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, Toro, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00)
Barely made my list. I thought about placing it higher but there was just better music out there.
90. Transcending Time
Highest Finish: 29 (MoraWinterSoul)
Number of Lists appeared on: 44 (Awaken, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, NoFred, Peter Mc, pg1067, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
#34 for me, I really dig this song.
89. Behind The Veil
Highest Finish: 20 (WardySI, wolfking)
Number of Lists appeared on: 46 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, Indiscipline, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, porcacultor, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, The Realm, Toro, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Didn't make the cut for me.
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91. A New Beginning (-) (placed #68 in the previous countdown)
Didn't make my list.
90. Transcending Time (#41)
My favourite song off the latest album. A musically uplifting song that reminds me a bit of The Looking Glass.
89. Behind The Veil (#92) (placed #64 in the previous countdown)
An okay song with a nice chorus.
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A New Beginning: 21. From Simon Zealot Song to a Henry Purcell break to a bona fide groove. One of DT's most intriguing creations.
Transcending Time: Didn't make the cut. A victim of the Ranker with not many arguments to fight back.
Behind the Veil: 71. It would be 20 places higher with a smoother transition to the chorus. One of JP's best (but less heralded) solo structures.
The Score so far:
21 - A New Beginning
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
68 - Our New World
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
Not Rated: Never Enough, Wither, Afterlife, Forsaken, S2N, Transcending Time
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91. A New Beginning 38 on my list. If I squint my ears just right I can't hear the lyrics and the music jumps out which is very...Dream Theater. Plus the bass, drum, guitar, smoky barroom, ride out is just the best ever.
90. Transcending Time 71. Like everything else on AVFTTOTW, very pleasant to listen to. The melody in the verses is excellent and leads well into the pre-chorus. The instrumental section is the only negative. It's seems out of place with the rest of the song...a bit too dark and aggressive.
89. Behind The Veil This one didn't make the cut for me.
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Wow this is moving right along! Catching up from 100 . . .
100. Never Enough - not ranked
99. Wither - not ranked
98. The Gift of Music - 81 on my list, solid DT single
97. Vacant - not ranked
96. Afterlife - 64 on my list - Score played a massive part in my appreciation of this tune
95. Forsaken - 87 on my list - When DT and Evanescence unite - killer live
94. S2N - 93 on my list - Fun song on a great (to me) album, pretty close to the board consensus
93. Our New World - 74 on my list - the solos in this one (especially the second) made this one a bit higher on my list
92. The Looking Glass - 77 on my list - Bordering on too much inspiration (IMO), but a fun song on an otherwise fairly dark album
91. A New Beginning - 98 on my list - barely edged out ONW, solid song
90. Transcending Time - 60 on my list - loved the change of pace this tune provides on AVFTTOTW, ranked considerably higher than the board
89. Behind the Veil - 89 on my list - spot on - wish I could skip the intro, but once the tune gets going it's good/great, the chorus is cool too
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A New Beginning - 97
Transcending Time - none
Behind The Veil - none
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A New Beginning - #78 - solid song but far from my favourites from TA. Definitely interesting and enjoyable enough. Everything before the "Not long ago there was a time and place..." bridge is such an ear-worm.
Highest Finish: 13 (Lethean)
The hell? Do you use this track to unwind from misery you get listening to Katatonia? :lol
Transcending Time - not ranked - I think this was the song where JP solo shred didn't work for me at all.
Behind the Veil - #68 - I'm not exactly a fan but can't deny the song is very solid. The chorus and the solo are really good.
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Catching up after being away for the weekend
The Gift of Music: #46
Excellent showcase of the things I love most in DT songwriting and great example of my DT Compass Theory (DT is at its best north of Queen, south of Iron Maiden, west of Yes, east of Journey.)
Which is a problem when the The Gift of Music compass is aligned like this
Queen
Yes Journey
Iron Maiden
I have a strong suspicion that if TGOM was on an album with a different title you wouldn’t have this strong of a reaction. Because there is nothing about the song that is out of line with any other typical DT single.
Perhaps... but read my comment about the song - my beef is with the lyrics. Perhaps the lyrics would be vastly different if not on TA.
Vacant ... NR. PG put it best ... a nice little transition song that doesn't do anything wrong. 30 or so good songs had to be cut, and this as one of them.
Afterlife ... 54 - largely aided by either of the JLB sung live releases, but I do really love the original, despite CD's vocals and the very thin production.
Forsaken ... NR. It was originally on my list in the last spot, but got bumped to the low 100s after a couple of adjustments. Live it's very good.
S2N ... 80. Nice heavy track - I love the main riff - with a silky smooth chorus. James sounds great here. Naturally, a very TDEN-esque outro to let Jordan stretch out and shine.
Our New World ... 60. My fave track from TA, and the only song from that album that I truly enjoy start-to-finish. I think Kade nailed it with the Harem Scarem reference - which validates why I like it so much, and why Tim hates it so much. :D
The Looking Glass ... 74. I never really thought too much about the Rush influence, it's just a really good tune.
A New Beginning ... NR. Listening to it right now, and on its own, it's ok. I suppose it *could* be a Top 100 song if I gave it more of it's dues as an individual track.
Transcending Time ... NR. I listened to this album 2-3 times before deciding that DT had jumped the shark (for me). A View has zero entries on my list.
Behind the Veil ... 45. One of my more favored tunes from the album. It's a shame it burns 90 seconds to get going, but once it does, it's a banger.
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Catching up from the weekend:
97. Vacant: #33 for me. This is a piece that if I would've spent more time with my list, it would've moved up to the top 20. Beautiful piece and well executed.
96. Afterlife: #71. Fun track. Not much to say here.
95. Forsaken: NR. It's fine but nothing special.
94. S2N: #45. Wow, I'm surprised at this one. I honestly thought it would be at least top 75. One of the best tracks from the last decade.
93. Our New World: #41. Straight rocker with catchy melody, and good JP solo.
92. The Looking Glass: #60. One of the only saving pieces from the Self titled.
91. A New Beginning: #58. The ending solo alone should warrant a higher spot for this track.
90. Transcending Time: NR. 2 years in, and this track doesn't click with me, even though I gave it so many chances. By far one of my least favorites from DT overall.
89. Behind The Veil: #96. This one moved up recently for me. It's fine for what it is. The chorus is nice.
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100. Never Enough (17th) I don't get how this is at 100. This song has many cool parts, especially the instrumental break.
99. Wither (66th) Solid song, when it hits, it's great but it doesn't always warrant a listen.
98. The Gift Of Music (92nd) It's alright. Past entry 82 on my list is stuff that just had to be ranked.
97. Vacant (70th) This song is so awesome on its own and how it leads into SoC
96. Afterlife (98th) See: The Gift of Music
95. Forsaken (87th) It's alright, live is good.
94. S2N (NR) Honestly just not familiar enough with this song yet.
93. Our New World (NR) See: S2N
92. The Looking Glass (54th) This is one of the better tracks off of DT12. Great chorus, surprised it is this low.
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91. A New Beginning (NR) Couldn't tell you what album it's from.
90. Transcending Time I really don't like DT12 View at this time, with about 5 listens since returning to the forum last year. But this song stuck out and was good enough to make the list.
89. Behind The Veil (NR) See: A New Beginning
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Just peeking in to say that I admire those of you who have the time to do this. :lol
You should've done it Crystal! It takes time, but it's fun!
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90. Transcending Time I really don't like DT12 at this time, with about 5 listens since returning to the forum last year. But this song stuck out and was good enough to make the list.
Man, it's not from DT12. :biggrin: See: A New Beginning
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90. Transcending Time I really don't like DT12 at this time, with about 5 listens since returning to the forum last year. But this song stuck out and was good enough to make the list.
Man, it's not from DT12. :biggrin: See: A New Beginning
Oh shit :lol I meant View
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A New beginning was my #42. The Astonishing is one of the albums where the entirety is better than the sum of its parts. It's surprising that my favorite song from the album wasn't higher on my list, but I still adore so many songs from it.
Transcending time was my #97. It's one of the better tracks from the last album. I'm sort of surprised it's the only song off of it that the band didn't perform live.
I didn't rank Behind the veil. I'm saving it for when we do the bottom 25 countdown or something like that. :lol
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91. A New Beginning One of the few TA tracks that made my list. The whole song is OK, but it's the Satriani-esque solo for the last couple of minutes that elevated the song for me so that it was one I felt important enough to include on my list. Rated as #85 on my list.
90. Transcending Time Like The Looking Glass, this overtly Rush-influenced song fell flat on my ears. Especially the singing of the title starting at 5:23 just sounds so forced; JP should've come up with other lyrics for that spot. I do like it more than TLG, but it still is another song that didn't make the cut for me (the only one from this album).
89. Behind The Veil A good middle-of-the-road song. Not as good as the epic or The Bigger Picture, but one that I still enjoyed and hope will get added to the master song list for future tours since it got such limited air time live. It placed at #53 for me.
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Catching up!
97. Vacant - I had this at #64. Great song. I can understand how some people think of it as a transitional song, or an intro to Stream of Consciousness, but the lyrics and vocals are just so good.
96. Afterlife - I had this ranked higher than anyone at #20. I absolutely love this song, and album. As mentioned from others, the Score version cranks. The unison is epic and the drumming is awesome. I am blown away that it's ranked so low.
95. Forsaken - I had this at #22. Another absolute jam of a song. It's one of the best songs on SC.
94. S2N - Surprisingly I ranked this off the list at #139. I think this is a pretty cool song.
93. Our New World - Ranked at #35. Great, great song. One of the absolute highlights from TA.
92. The Looking Glass - Ranked at #71. I've always enjoyed this one. Obviously Rush influenced, and I enjoy the lyrics.
91. A New Beginning - Off the list at #140. This one is okay for me. It, like most of The Astonishing, is better in context than on its own.
90. Transcending Time - Off the list at #127. Most of this album did not make my list, but I will say that this song has always stuck out to me. Definitely not a bad song.
89. Behind The Veil - Ranked this at #89!! Nailed it.
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I was a bit shocked to learn that I haden't ranked A New Beginning. Went through the ranker and used what it gave me. But listening to it now I can see that it's probably as it should be. Can think of a lot of songs from TA that I hold higher.
Transcending Time ranked at 59 for me. Quite nice song but far from my favorite on AWFTTOTW.
Behind the Veil fell on rank 81 for me. Feels like a good spot for it.
37 Our New World (93)
59 Transcending Time (90)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91)
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154. S2N
145. Vacant
138. Wither
123. Never Enough
121. Afterlife
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96. Behind The Veil
59. The Gift of Music
46. A New Beginning
44. Forsaken
41. The Looking Glass
33. Transcending Time (My highest AVFTTOTW song)
28. Our New World. (My highest TA song)
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97. Vacant - I had Vacant at #50. It took me awhile to warm up to this song, and it wasn't one I immediately gravitated toward. But I came to appreciate how beautiful it is, both musically and lyrically. Very solid. Indiscipline put it well: "Beautiful and gut-wrenching, and my favourite James' performance as Singer, not just vocalist."
96. Afterlife - Did not rank. This and TOWHTSTS are my two least favorite on WDADU and are kind of my poster children for why this album doesn't measure up. There are very few DT songs I don't like (which is an amazing feat given how many songs they have), but this is one of them.
95. Forsaken - #30 for me. LOVE this song. It's very concise and structurally simple for DT, but that all works really well within the context of the song. There are definitely plenty of days when I reach for SC specifically to hear this song. A highlight of the album for sure.
94. S2N - #11, as you all know, since I guess I ranked it the highest. It's very busy, rocking, funky, and catchy all at the same time. First couple of times I heard it, I felt like it was a bit too busy and noisy, and I just wanted to spent more time with it to figure it out. It's hard to explain exactly why I rank it where I do when I look at some other songs that are just below it, other than to say I just like it. Must be the Owen Wilson factor.
93. Our New World - #78. Solid song. It kinda feels like a song where they went, "Oh, we need something straightforward that has a 'hit single' vibe." And it works.
92. The Looking Glass - #68. But I don't like Rush. :)
91. A New Beginning - Didn't make my list. It's fine. Not a bad song. I included it in my batch of songs that went into the ranking engine, but it feel short by a few spots.
90. Transcending Time - #74 for me. I don't seek it out, but enjoy it when it plays.
89. Behind The Veil - #26. This was the highest ranking song from DT for me (although I usually mention Along for the Ride as my favorite, so go figure). I really like it. Very well put together. There is a darkness, angst, and restrained hopefulness about the music that fits the lyrics perfectly. A fine example of music and lyrics complimenting each other very well. And the guitar solo...I love how it takes such a turn halfway through as the chords underneath it change. It starts of kind of pedestrian, for DT (which really says something about what an exceptional guitarist JP is, as if we didn't know), and then suddenly takes a turn and climaxes into something truly epic. I don't remember the specific context or who else was involved in the discussion, but there was a conversation here where someone was saying that JP really hadn't done a solo in quite a long while that really stood out, and I pointed to this song.
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Luke was probably responsible for Wither making it at all. :lol
Oh, I 100% was!
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:rollin
I think Kade nailed it with the Harem Scarem reference
??? I don't know what this means. I feel like maybe I should, but I don't.
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S2N (99): Nice groove. Could have done without the cringeworth 'wow'
Our New World (97): I like humming along to it
The Looking Glass (not ranked): doesn't work for me; sounds contrived
A New Beginning (88): it's a good tune. But it was cut far too short. Love the feel under the solo and the solo itself
Transcending Time (not ranked): agree with Scott again. And I agree with the criticism of the solo
Behind The Veil (not ranked): reflective of DT12 as a whole for me. Just a bit boring
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Two out of three again today. Today sees my highest ranking TA song.
My ranking so far:
13. Wither
20. Never Enough
30. A New Beginning
45. The Looking Glass
49. Forsaken
55. Behind the Veil
86. Our New World
Not ranked:
109. Vacant
113. Afterlife
123. Transcending Time
125. S2N
140. The Gift of Music
A New Beginning ranked at #30 for me, and has always been my favourite song from The Astonishing, and it's not even close. For someone who generally focuses on the guitar and drums when it comes to music, I think it's LaBrie's performance that I love most about this song. The chorus is just great and even though I think the albums plot is cheesy and amateur, I don't care when it comes to this song. That instrumental break that comes in at 2:17, just glorious. It takes quiet a few twists and turns along the way, and for a song that is nearly 8 minutes, it also doesn't feel it all. I can't forsee a time this song won't be on my favourites playlist.
Transcending Time, like S2N yesterday, mainly suffers because I am not as overly familiar with View as the rest of the albums. It came in at #123 for me, but is no slouch.
Lastly Behind the Veil. This came in at #55 for me, and is just another song from DT12 that I enjoy immensely. Outside of the song that is my favourite on the album, most of the others rank somewhat closely.
Luke was probably responsible for Wither making it at all. :lol
Oh, I 100% was!
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Catching up:
97 Vacant - I like Vacant quite a bit. I had it at # 55. A much needed change of pace on the otherwise one-dimensional Train of Thought. One of my favorite songs from that album.
96 Afterlife - DNR. As rock songs go, this certainly is one.
95 Forsaken - DNR. Nothing really wrong with this one, it's OK, just didn't make my list.
94 S2N - I had it at # 97, so pretty close with the consensus. Fun song, lots of great instrumentation here.
93 Our New World - # 81 for me. Definitely one of the better songs on The Astonishing, and one of the few I wouldn't mind seeing apart from the entire presentation. I also enjoyed the alternate version with Lizzy Hale.
92 The Looking Glass - DNR. Never really cared for this one.
91 A New Beginning - DNR. Never really cared for this one.
90 Transcending Time - Love this song a lot! I had it at # 73. Would loved to have seen it performed live while MM was in the band. Hopefully they still get around to performing it with MP.
89 Behind The Veil - DNR. Never really cared for this one.
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91. A New Beginning
90. Transcending Time
89. Behind The Veil
A New Beginning didn't make the cut for me. I couldn't even tell you what it sounds like.
Transcending Time is my #2 View song, coming in at #65.
Behind the Veil, Surrender to Reason and The Bigger Picture have always been relatively interchangeable for me. They're all really good, but I have some difficulty distinguishing them (except for their choruses). BTV ranked at #46 for me.
List Not Ranked
100 Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91)
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98
97
96
95
94
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91
90
89
88
87
86
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84 Forsaken (95)
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82
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79 Vacant (97)
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76
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65 Transcending Time (90)
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59 Afterlife (96)
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Through the first 12 reveals, DT12 and TA stand at the top of the album rankings. Obviously, it's too early to post the whole thing. I'll probably start when we get into the mid-70s.
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100. Never Enough (#6) as mentioned in the last countdown, I love the instrumental break, and especially MPs drumming and that occasional cymbal hit. It has the anger I’ve felt towards some unappreciative managers, former fellow employees, a couple of family members, along with any and all individuals who have stabbed me in the back throughout my life. Demands were made, requirements fulfilled, and that still wasn’t good enough. My peace of mind is so much better for having walked away. Everything is never enough indeed!
99. Wither (NR) DT covers Nirvana.
98. The Gift Of Music (#39) including the last minute of ‘Dystopian Overture’, it still hits a sweet spot. Great opening track, and couldn’t wait to hear what the rest of TA had to offer.
97. Vacant (NR) though it is one of the four songs from ToT I do like.
96. Afterlife (NR) after just watching the ‘Score’ version the day this was listed, I should have had this around #80.
95. Forsaken (NR) I like the tune, just not a big fan of non Alice Cooper vampire songs 😉
94. S2N (#66) my lowest rated D/T track
93. Our New World (#34) especially with the ‘The Savior In The Square’ intro included https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agXk_VyRtZM I remember doing this before I found the youtube post. Would love to hear these two together in concert. My highest rated TA song.
92. The Looking Glass (#79)
91. A New Beginning (#98)
90. Transcending Time (#89) one of three View tracks to make my list.
89. Behind The Veil (#80)
8/12
Enjoying the range of comments so far, especially those with the songs ranked much higher than the countdown list. Been listening to the three songs posted each day as a nice little change of pace, some of which I had not heard in a long spell.
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Considering the highly possibility that all A View-songs made it to the top 100, it really surprises me Transcending Time is lowest ranked of them all. It's so unique and uplifting. It feels like the song could 've easily been brought out on Dream Theater 12, 'fits the overall movement of that album'... maybe in a decade or so, it's ranked much higher.
Was #48 for me.
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100. Never Enough (#6) as mentioned in the last countdown, I love the instrumental break, and especially MPs drumming and that occasional cymbal hit. It has the anger I’ve felt towards some unappreciative managers, former fellow employees, a couple of family members, along with any and all individuals who have stabbed me in the back throughout my life. Demands were made, requirements fulfilled, and that still wasn’t good enough. My peace of mind is so much better for having walked away. Everything is never enough indeed!
Now that you say it, I can see it applying to my work. Still not burned out but feeling angry enough at times to agree with MP and the song. Maybe that's why I placed it relatively high on my list.
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A New Beginning (my #22) is my fave from TA and that groovy outro solo is an instant classic.
Transcending Time (my #55) great song, very Rush's Permanent Wave-ish and the solo is great, also reminding me the one in Constant Motion.
Behind The Veil (my # 69). I think DT is a very consistent album, unfortunately very harmed for its weird production. This song is a very cool rocker with nice keyboard intro, amazing drum parts (specially in the first verses) and great soloing by JP (I love its ending).
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91. A New Beginning - really like this one, it was one of the standouts for me when TA first came out. It ranked at 54 for me. One of the few songs on TA that actually feels like a complete song, with the riffs and melodies (which are all great) having time to breathe and groove. I love the lyrical dialogue between the multiple characters, and James does a decent job differentiating between each one and the music supports this too. Then there's that groovy outro solo section!
90. Transcending Time - unranked for me. Not that I particularly dislike it, it's just not really clicked for me yet. Interestingly though, the solo section which others have commented is out of place with the vibe of the song is actually my favourite part!
89. Behind The Veil - unranked. I've barely listened to this one since DT12 came out - that is, until the last couple of weeks when I started putting this list together. As a result of which, my appreciation for it has grown slightly - I like all the individual sections, the spacey intro, the verse riff, lyrics and the chorus melodies - but I don't know, as an overall package there are just so many other songs I prefer.
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Some tidbits from the 2021-22 countdown:
Albums to get all songs in the top 100: 4 (I&W, Awake, SDOIT, TOT)
Highest ranked song from each album:
- WDADU (5/8) - The Killing Hand (53)
- I&W (8/8) - Learning to Live (1)
- Awake (11/11) - Voices (5)
- FII (6/11) - Trial of Tears (7)
- SFAM (10/12) - Home (8)
- SDOIT (6/6) - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (12)
- TOT (7/7) - In the Name of God (11)
- 8VM (7/8) - Octavarium (3)
- SC (5/7) - In the Presence of Enemies (25)
- BC&SL (4/6) - The Count of Tuscany (14)
- ADTOE (7/9) - Breaking All Illusions (6)
- DT12 (6/9 - Illumination Theory (23)
- TA (10/29 - excludes NOMAC tracks) - A New Beginning (68)
- DOT (5/10) - At Wit's End (20)
- View (not included in countdown)
- Other (3) - A Change of Seasons (2)
Overall album rankings based on points:
1. Awake (657 points) (ranked 4th in the 2022 album countdown)
2. SFAM (648 points) (1st)
3. I&W (630 points) (2nd)
4. SDOIT (449 points) (3rd)
5. ADTOE (375 points) (5th)
6. 8VM (339 points) (6th)
7. FII (320 points) (10th)
8. TOT (314 points) (7th)
9. DOT (284 points) (9th)
10. DT12 (278 points) (11th)
11. BC&SL (196 points) (12th)
12. SC (159 points) (14th)
13. Other (138 points)
14. TA (134 points) (13th)
15. WDADU (131 points) (15th)
View (8th)
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I think Kade nailed it with the Harem Scarem reference
??? I don't know what this means. I feel like maybe I should, but I don't.
It's a Canadian Melodic Rock band I'm a big fan of that he is also familiar with ... and one that Tim hates.
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Some tidbits from the 2021-22 countdown:
Albums to get all songs in the top 100: 4 (I&W, Awake, SDOIT, TOT)
Highest ranked song from each album:
- WDADU (5/8) - The Killing Hand (53)
- I&W (8/8) - Learning to Live (1)
- Awake (11/11) - Voices (5)
- FII (6/11) - Trial of Tears (7)
- SFAM (10/12) - Home (8)
- SDOIT (6/6) - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (12)
- TOT (7/7) - In the Name of God (11)
- 8VM (7/8) - Octavarium (3)
- SC (5/7) - In the Presence of Enemies (25)
- BC&SL (4/6) - The Count of Tuscany (14)
- ADTOE (7/9) - Breaking All Illusions (6)
- DT12 (6/9 - Illumination Theory (23)
- TA (10/29 - excludes NOMAC tracks) - A New Beginning (68)
- DOT (5/10) - At Wit's End (20)
- View (not included in countdown)
- Other (3) - A Change of Seasons (2)
We do like much more the epics or what?!
My prediction for the highest ranked song from View is...
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I think Kade nailed it with the Harem Scarem reference
??? I don't know what this means. I feel like maybe I should, but I don't.
It's a Canadian Melodic Rock band I'm a big fan of that he is also familiar with ... and one that Tim hates.
Well, he hates everything.
:Tim:
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A New Beginning didn't make my cut. Overall I like The Astonishing, but I'm not particularly fond of this one. Never been swayed by the only long instrumental section on the album.
Trascending Time was 83 for me. Lovely song, and the only one standing out in View. I'm not saying the other songs are all the same, but they fall in the same general umbrella definition of "heavy songs", this one is a breather and I love James' voice here.
Behind the Veil was 58 for me, pity seeing it so low. Probably my favorite chorus on the self titled album.
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S2N - NR Unmemorable to such an extent that I have already forgotten what it goes like.
Our New World -NR I ranked many TA songs, but not this one. There are just too many of them to keep a track of.
Looking Glass - 53 Of all the DT Rush-like tunes, this is the first and the best.
A New Beginning - 41 Just a hell of a song. As a non-native speaker, I can easily "turn-off" the lyrics, which helps a lot with this and other TA songs. It may even be the prerequisite to enjoy the album.
Transcending Time - NR Looking Glass is all I need when it comes to Rushlike songs in DT catalog. But I enjoy it every time I listen to AVFTTOTV and feel too lazy to hit the skip button.
Behind the Veil - 27 Glad to see some love for this song. One of my early DT12 favorites. I enjoy pretty much everything about it, starting with the contrast of the Mike-Olfield-New-Age-Big-Space-Odyssey style intro and Metallica riff, plus everything that comes after that too.
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I'm the highest ranker for traaa-AAA-aaancending tiiiiime TRANSCENDING TIME-tra-A-A-aaaaanscending time? :lol what the fuck guys, I don't even like this album that much! but this track is amazing :yarr
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I think Kade nailed it with the Harem Scarem reference
??? I don't know what this means. I feel like maybe I should, but I don't.
It's a Canadian Melodic Rock band I'm a big fan of that he is also familiar with ... and one that Tim hates.
Well, he hates everything.
:Tim:
I saw that thumbnail, and thought "Please tell me he made :tim: that tumbnail... please tell me he did that" :lol :lol Thank you for not letting me down.
Flip a coin as to whether he gets the reference.
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That's Mikey from the Life cereal commercials! :P
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Considering the highly possibility that all A View-songs made it to the top 100, it really surprises me Transcending Time is lowest ranked of them all.
Is this a high possibility? I didn't consider this much of a possibility but what the fuck do I know?! I will be very vocal if all the View songs make it but not all the Black Clouds songs do. The way some of you are voting, who knows :lol
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That's Mikey from the Life cereal commercials! :P
Proof that even a blind squirrel finds a nut once and a while.
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That's Mikey from the Life cereal commercials! :P
Proof that even a blind squirrel finds a nut once and a while.
The way Joe and Tim go back and forth, I think Tim has no problem finding the nut.
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That's Mikey from the Life cereal commercials! :P
Proof that even a blind squirrel finds a nut once and a while.
It's like a 40 year reference. Of course I'd get that!
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I should not be surprised that jongleboy is talking about Tim nutting.
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I'm the highest ranker for traaa-AAA-aaancending tiiiiime TRANSCENDING TIME-tra-A-A-aaaaanscending time? :lol what the fuck guys, I don't even like this album that much! but this track is amazing :yarr
I wonder if I'll be the highest ranker for some songs. I have a suspicion I will be for my #4 song. I could have been the one for Wither and Forsaken, but I was beaten to it, good, it means there's people out there loving those songs and it's not just me :D
I might have a shot with some ballads, and a non album track I guess.
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Considering the highly possibility that all A View-songs made it to the top 100, it really surprises me Transcending Time is lowest ranked of them all.
Is this a high possibility? I didn't consider this much of a possibility but what the fuck do I know?! I will be very vocal if all the View songs make it but not all the Black Clouds songs do. The way some of you are voting, who knows :lol
No way. If there ever was a lock for not making the Top 100, it must be one of the AVFTTOTW songs. And one more is quite a sure bet too. That being said, only few people of a good taste and sound mind (you might be one of those rare individuals) would put all the BCSL songs in their Top 100.
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I'm the highest ranker for traaa-AAA-aaancending tiiiiime TRANSCENDING TIME-tra-A-A-aaaaanscending time? :lol what the fuck guys, I don't even like this album that much! but this track is amazing :yarr
I wonder if I'll be the highest ranker for some songs. I have a suspicion I will be for my #4 song. I could have been the one for Wither and Forsaken, but I was beaten to it, good, it means there's people out there loving those songs and it's not just me :D
I might have a shot with some ballads, and a non album track I guess.
I can pretty much guarantee I have the highest rank for my #3, and possibly my #7.
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I might be the highest ranker for my #7, #8, and #10. They're not particularly unpopular picks, though, so I could be wrong. What I'm guessing are my most unpopular picks for the Top 100 landed at #45 and #50, and if I ranked those the highest, then I doubt they'll make the list anyway.
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Considering the highly possibility that all A View-songs made it to the top 100, it really surprises me Transcending Time is lowest ranked of them all.
Is this a high possibility? I didn't consider this much of a possibility but what the fuck do I know?! I will be very vocal if all the View songs make it but not all the Black Clouds songs do. The way some of you are voting, who knows :lol
No way. If there ever was a lock for not making the Top 100, it must be one of the AVFTTOTW songs. And one more is quite a sure bet too. That being said, only few people of a good taste and sound mind (you might be one of those rare individuals) would put all the BCSL songs in their Top 100.
I have one song from AVFTTOTW at #174, so if it makes the Top 100, it does so without any input from me!
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S2N - 30 My highest-ranking MM-era track! Boy, do I love it. The ranker did its job, it is my favorite of the last 13 years of the band.
Our New World - 59 Somehow one of the emotional highlights of TA for me. I know it's "simple" in a way, but the sweetness made me happy.
Looking Glass - 49 Yeah, I love this one. One that I'd really love for MP to play!
A New Beginning - 93 Almost matched the official ranking! Very fun. Remember bug?
Transcending Time - 88 The ranker's funny here -- in my heart of hearts, it could switch around with Looking Glass. I love it just as much!
Behind the Veil - 77 I always think of their performance on Wacken with JLB and MM wearing shades. Definitely a cool pick from the self-titled.
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Considering the highly possibility that all A View-songs made it to the top 100, it really surprises me Transcending Time is lowest ranked of them all.
Is this a high possibility? I didn't consider this much of a possibility but what the fuck do I know?! I will be very vocal if all the View songs make it but not all the Black Clouds songs do. The way some of you are voting, who knows :lol
No way. If there ever was a lock for not making the Top 100, it must be one of the AVFTTOTW songs. And one more is quite a sure bet too. That being said, only few people of a good taste and sound mind (you might be one of those rare individuals) would put all the BCSL songs in their Top 100.
I most certainly am one of those individuals. Not only are all the BC&SL songs in my top 100, they are all ranked higher than #32!
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Not only are all the BC&SL songs in my top 100, they are all ranked higher than #32!
The fuck is wrong with you?
Sorry, I mean:
All opinions are welcome!
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Not only are all the BC&SL songs in my top 100, they are all ranked higher than #32!
The fuck is wrong with you?
Sorry, I mean:
All opinions are welcome!
Want me to divulge more? Not a single song from Awake, FII, 6DoiT or ToT ranked higher than the songs from BC&SL :rollin
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I think Kade nailed it with the Harem Scarem reference
??? I don't know what this means. I feel like maybe I should, but I don't.
It's a Canadian Melodic Rock band I'm a big fan of that he is also familiar with ... and one that Tim hates.
The riff is pure Pete Lesperance.
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Considering the highly possibility that all A View-songs made it to the top 100, it really surprises me Transcending Time is lowest ranked of them all.
Is this a high possibility? I didn't consider this much of a possibility but what the fuck do I know?! I will be very vocal if all the View songs make it but not all the Black Clouds songs do. The way some of you are voting, who knows :lol
My guess would be no, but it certainly looks like DOT got a big bump in the last countdown, so maybe (esp. since there's only 7 songs).
As for BC&SL, Wither made it this time but didn't make it last time. AROP also didn't make it last time, and I don't see it making it this time. I was really surprised to see how high TBOT ranked last time, and I wonder if it'll do better this time because of MP's return to the band.
I'm the highest ranker for traaa-AAA-aaancending tiiiiime TRANSCENDING TIME-tra-A-A-aaaaanscending time? :lol what the fuck guys, I don't even like this album that much! but this track is amazing :yarr
I wonder if I'll be the highest ranker for some songs. I have a suspicion I will be for my #4 song. I could have been the one for Wither and Forsaken, but I was beaten to it, good, it means there's people out there loving those songs and it's not just me :D
I might have a shot with some ballads, and a non album track I guess.
I'm pleasantly surprised not to have been the high ranker for Wither. My top 10 is pretty unremarkable, but there are a few in my 11-20 range for which I might be high ranker.
Want me to divulge more? Not a single song from Awake, FII, 6DoiT or ToT ranked higher than the songs from BC&SL :rollin
My top 10 included songs from 7 albums. My top 20 included songs from 12 albums. I added a 13th album in the 30s and a 14th in the 40s. It wasn't until #80 that I hit the 15th album.
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Not only are all the BC&SL songs in my top 100, they are all ranked higher than #32!
The fuck is wrong with you?
Sorry, I mean:
All opinions are welcome!
Want me to divulge more? Not a single song from Awake, FII, 6DoiT or ToT ranked higher than the songs from BC&SL :rollin
The fuck is wrong with you?
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The only song I am sure to be the highest ranker of is my n. 1 song. I'll likely be the only one and the song will probably barely scratch the Top 50. But this is as much Stadler as I can pull off - I can't compete with the man himself, whose n. 1 will probably be n. 136 on everyone else's list.
Anyway, further reflecting the debate above, the nice thing about this countdown is that almost everyone gets their turn to be the odd guy (or, metaphorically speaking, to cherish and nurture their inner Stadler). If this does not speak volumes about the strength and diversity of DT catalog, I don't know what does.
(I hereby apologize to the esteemed forum member for having the insolence to use his name to express my disjointed thoughts. I am sorry, Stadler, but your reputation is too legendary to resist).
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The only song I am sure to be the highest ranker of is my n. 1 song. I'll likely be the only one and the song will probably barely scratch the Top 50. But this is as much Stadler as I can pull off - I can't compete with the man himself, whose n. 1 will probably be n. 136 on everyone else's list.
Anyway, further reflecting the debate above, the nice thing about this countdown is that almost everyone gets their turn to be the odd guy (or, metaphorically speaking, to cherish and nurture their inner Stadler). If this does not speak volumes about the strength and diversity of DT catalog, I don't know what does.
(I hereby apologize to the esteemed forum member for having the insolence to use his name to express my disjointed thoughts. I am sorry, Stadler, but your reputation is too legendary to resist).
Hey, I own it!! That's an interesting question, too: what's the over/under of the group on my number one. I think 136 is probably a good guess (and for the record, I'm not trying to be an iconoclast here; that song IS my favorite song, legit. It just basically gets almost zero love here.)
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Hey, I own it!! That's an interesting question, too: what's the over/under of the group on my number one. I think 136 is probably a good guess (and for the record, I'm not trying to be an iconoclast here; that song IS my favorite song, legit. It just basically gets almost zero love here.)
I'm starting to think I am wrong. I thought I knew what your #1 is (which I ranked in the top 40), but now I'm doubting myself :lol
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Hey, I own it!! That's an interesting question, too: what's the over/under of the group on my number one. I think 136 is probably a good guess (and for the record, I'm not trying to be an iconoclast here; that song IS my favorite song, legit. It just basically gets almost zero love here.)
I'm starting to think I am wrong. I thought I knew what your #1 is (which I ranked in the top 40), but now I'm doubting myself :lol
I know what his # 1 is.
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I suspect I may have a chance at being the highest rating for one or more WDADU songs; 1 or more non-album songs, and (slim chance) 1 song on an album that has all tracks represented.
Hey, I own it!! That's an interesting question, too: what's the over/under of the group on my number one. I think 136 is probably a good guess (and for the record, I'm not trying to be an iconoclast here; that song IS my favorite song, legit. It just basically gets almost zero love here.)
I'm starting to think I am wrong. I thought I knew what your #1 is (which I ranked in the top 40), but now I'm doubting myself :lol
I know what his # 1 is.
I think I know it to... but I'm not going to spotlight it. This will be more suspenseful than the consensus #1
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The only song I am sure to be the highest ranker of is my n. 1 song. I'll likely be the only one and the song will probably barely scratch the Top 50. But this is as much Stadler as I can pull off - I can't compete with the man himself, whose n. 1 will probably be n. 136 on everyone else's list.
Anyway, further reflecting the debate above, the nice thing about this countdown is that almost everyone gets their turn to be the odd guy (or, metaphorically speaking, to cherish and nurture their inner Stadler). If this does not speak volumes about the strength and diversity of DT catalog, I don't know what does.
(I hereby apologize to the esteemed forum member for having the insolence to use his name to express my disjointed thoughts. I am sorry, Stadler, but your reputation is too legendary to resist).
Hey, I own it!! That's an interesting question, too: what's the over/under of the group on my number one. I think 136 is probably a good guess (and for the record, I'm not trying to be an iconoclast here; that song IS my favorite song, legit. It just basically gets almost zero love here.)
Assuming it is what I think it is, it's not among the 129 songs I put into the Ranking Engine, so it would come in no higher than 130 on my list.
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Not only are all the BC&SL songs in my top 100, they are all ranked higher than #32!
The fuck is wrong with you?
Sorry, I mean:
All opinions are welcome!
Want me to divulge more? Not a single song from Awake, FII, 6DoiT or ToT ranked higher than the songs from BC&SL :rollin
The fuck is wrong with you?
Maybe he needs more suits. :biggrin:
Anyway, further reflecting the debate above, the nice thing about this countdown is that almost everyone gets their turn to be the odd guy (or, metaphorically speaking, to cherish and nurture their inner Stadler). If this does not speak volumes about the strength and diversity of DT catalog, I don't know what does.
I agree. While there are some that are obviously cherished by almost everyone, the fact that there are many songs that are not on my top 100 list that apparently are on others' lists does say a lot about the appeal of DT's catalog!
I suspect I may have a chance at being the highest rating for one or more WDADU songs; 1 or more non-album songs, and (slim chance) 1 song on an album that has all tracks represented.
I might give you a run for the money on the WDaDU and non-album songs! :coolio
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I'm not trying to be an iconoclast here
Sometimes, I don't think people need to "try"--some things just come naturally.
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I'm not trying to be an iconoclast here
Sometimes, I don't think people need to "try"--some things just come naturally.
\ :tup
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91. A New Beginning
Highest Finish: 13 (Lethean)
Number of Lists appeared on: 41 (Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, Indiscipline, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, Mladen, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, Peter Mc, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, Toro, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00)
90. Transcending Time
Highest Finish: 29 (MoraWinterSoul)
Number of Lists appeared on: 44 (Awaken, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, NoFred, Peter Mc, pg1067, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
89. Behind The Veil
Highest Finish: 20 (WardySI, wolfking)
Number of Lists appeared on: 46 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, Indiscipline, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, porcacultor, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, The Realm, Toro, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had A New Beginning at #59.
I've never been a fan of having multiple vocalists, but Thiago's video really help unlock this song for me.
I had Transcending Time as Not Rated.
Just missed the cut. On another day, it likely makes it.
I had Behind The Veil as Not Rated.
Perhaps it's the subject matter, but there's just something off about this song for me.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 Transcending Time
95 Behind The Veil
94
93
92
91
90 Forsaken
89
88
87
86
85
84
83
82
81
80
79
78
77
76 S2N
75
74 Afterlife
73
72
71
70
69
68
67
66
65
64
63
62
61
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58
57
56
55
54
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46
45
44
43
42
41
40
39
38
37
36
35 The Gift Of Music
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25
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21
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17
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3
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ANB did not rank for me.
I actually had TT at number 82. This one has grown on me a lot and I really quite enjoy it now. It would have ranked a lot higher if it wasn't for JP's silly solo. Possibly the only time JP really missed the mark for me. Not sure what he was thinking on this one. Everything around it though is great.
Behind the Veil as you all can see I had at number 20. I always thought this song was fantastic. The chorus is amazing and I've always liked the riffing here. The subject matter as Tim said is a little off but I don't have an issue with it. As Alessandro said, it's one of JP's most well structured solos. Easily one of his most underappreciated and underrated solos. An absolute bitch to play too.
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100 The Gift of Music
99 A New Beginning
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94 Our New World
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88 Vacant
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82 Transcending Time
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78 Wither
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71 Forsaken
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67 S2N
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64 The Looking Glass
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58 Afterlife
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42 Never Enough
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Not only are all the BC&SL songs in my top 100, they are all ranked higher than #32!
The fuck is wrong with you?
Sorry, I mean:
All opinions are welcome!
Want me to divulge more? Not a single song from Awake, FII, 6DoiT or ToT ranked higher than the songs from BC&SL :rollin
The fuck is wrong with you?
Maybe he needs more suits. :biggrin:
I have a suit for each time I had the desire to relisten to Falling Into Infinity :neverusethis:
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A New Beginning- #74 on my list. The main song is a fun little number, but the real highlight here is the bitchin' solo JP lays down for the last couple minutes. That solo should be enough to get this on most lists, regardless of how you feel about TA.
Transcending Time- Not ranked. Probably in the first wave of songs that didn't make it into the ranker for top 100.
Behind the Veil- I had this up at #39. A great song from the self titled album, I dig riffs and the chorus a lot and the solo is just killer. I like how just when the solo feels like it's losing steam they switch up the riff underneath and it helps propel it a little bit further.
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A New Beginning- #74 on my list. The main song is a fun little number, but the real highlight here is the bitchin' solo JP lays down for the last couple minutes. That solo should be enough to get this on most lists, regardless of how you feel about TA.
Transcending Time- Not ranked. Probably in the first wave of songs that didn't make it into the ranker for top 100.
Behind the Veil- I had this up at #39. A great song from the self titled album, I dig riffs and the chorus a lot and the solo is just killer. I like how just when the solo feels like it's losing steam they switch up the riff underneath and it helps propel it a little bit further.
Yes! Nice pickup. It's almost like the solo climaxes twice!
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A New Beginning - unranked by me. Possibly one of the better songs on the album. Has a big time musical feel with James playing a number of characters in the song. I have done a bit of musical theatre in the past and this song reminds me of myself singing a song like Red and Black from Les Mis as karaoke and singing all the various vocal parts myself. The best part of this song though is of course the second half so I guess I could have ranked it for that.
Transcending Time - which I just realised I spelt incorrectly on my submission (sorry Reaper). I ranked this at 68. If I did the ranker again there is every chance this would be lower so a bit surprised it came in this high. Some really great music in this song but i'm not a big fan of the vocals. The shredding part of the guitar solo feels very out of place.
Behind the Veil - My rank 66. The intro (when the band kicks in) kind of sounds like Metallica...I like the chorus of this song even though (as others have said) the transition to it is a little clunky. This song features a really great guitar solo.
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91. A New Beginning -29 for me. I love this song. And I fell in love with DT seeing JP play this song. I had just started to get into DT after TA was released. I was bouncing around their discography, finding many songs I loved right off the bat. I purchased TA, but was a little meh about it. I hadn't been to a concert in over 16 years, since I saw Metallica when I was pregnant. DT were playing near me, and on Mother's Day, so I decided, perfect! I honestly just couldn't believe what I was seeing and hearing. When JP started playing that solo, I thought "who the hell is this guitar player?" (yes I did live in a cave with my children :biggrin:).
After that, I listened to nothing but DT. Fell in love with TA...and most all of the rest.
90. Transcending Time - not in my top 100. 105, just missed the cut. I do enjoy it though and The View has no skips for me.
89. Behind the Veil - 58. This was the first song I really dug on the Self Titled. It hasn't grown old either.
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S2N- 98
Gives me Dark Eternal Night vibes.
Our New World- 87
Should become a staple in their setlists because of how damn joyous and catchy it is.
Looking Glass- 74
A New Beginning- 33
Uh oh, this was the Astonishing song that I thought had potential to appear much, much higher in this countdown. For some reason I was under the impression that even the Astonishing-haters tipped their hat to it. Everything from the 5-minute mark on is just about the coolest and grooviest Dream Theater has ever sounded. An excellent song for night driving!
Transcending Time- NR.
Sorry folks, but this song just doesn't click with me and I've given it many chances.
Behind the Veil- 61
Great track but the subject matter makes me feel hopeless and disturbed, and so it's not one I revisit often.
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Not only are all the BC&SL songs in my top 100, they are all ranked higher than #32!
The fuck is wrong with you?
Sorry, I mean:
All opinions are welcome!
Want me to divulge more? Not a single song from Awake, FII, 6DoiT or ToT ranked higher than the songs from BC&SL :rollin
The fuck is wrong with you?
I just looked at your list Luke and I thought I had some hot takes on this forum :lol
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91. A New Beginning (61). Another highlight from The Astonishing, this one has enough time to develop and explore many different styles. Some of the lyrics do not work for me, but musically it is well done, with JP's solo near the end being a highlight. I also like that little section with the harpsichord and trumpet. While not the final track, this helps end Act 1 on a high note.
90. Transcending Time (73). Pleasantly surprised to see this on the list. An uplifting song that is a nice change of pace halfway through the album. The ending with each instrument dropping out until just the piano is left recalls the ending to In the Name of God.
89. Behind the Veil (62). Possibly one of the more overlooked songs from the self-titled, the chorus is the strongest part for me. The intro also has a unique sound that they have not really done before.
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Not only are all the BC&SL songs in my top 100, they are all ranked higher than #32!
The fuck is wrong with you?
Sorry, I mean:
All opinions are welcome!
Want me to divulge more? Not a single song from Awake, FII, 6DoiT or ToT ranked higher than the songs from BC&SL :rollin
The fuck is wrong with you?
I just looked at your list Luke and I thought I had some hot takes on this forum :lol
The heart wants what the heart wants.
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A New Beginning NR
I do like this one okay but clearly not enough to make 100
Transcending Time #63
Great song and how it plays out on AVFTTOTW reminds me a little of how I Walk Beside You plays out on Octavarium. Not that the songs are alike but the listening effect those songs have on me. A slightly more commerical moment and a breather of sorts. They probably couldn't be more different for other folks and likely just me then but anyway, yes good song ;D
Behind The Veil #20
Glad to be sharing lead on this one and tbh just pleased to see it rank well considering much of the dislike I see for DT12. Which is fine but I love the album and I remember exactly where I was when I heard this song for the first time (CD playing in car on a dark cold dreary night while waiting for my son to finish training) and it was love at first listen. Couple more spins through the album and an LP copy followed soon after.
Veil was my highest of the albums tracks but do have another from it at #21...
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Update time!
88. This Is The Life
Highest Finish: 4 (Evermind)
Number of Top 10 Finishes: 2 (Evermind, Stadler)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42 (Animal, Awaken, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, KevShmev, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, Mosh, nobloodyname, Peter Mc, pg1067, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, wolfking, Zydar)
I like this song. I actually think there is something really special about JLB's vocal performance on this song.
87. New Millennium
Highest Finish: 13 (WardySI)
Number of Lists appeared on: 37 (Adami, Awaken, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, mariner, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Stadler, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Zydar)
I never cared for this song, and my dislike for it has only grown over the years.
86. Constant Motion
Highest Finish: 18 (pg1067)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42 (Adami, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, Jamesman42, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, lightningbolt, mariner, Metro, Mladen, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, pg1067, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, Revenge319, Stadler, The Realm, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Kind of surprised to see this song so low. I thought it was more liked around these parts. I think this is a great, straight ahead song from DT. Killer drums from MP and blistering solo from JP.
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What can I say? It's basically a perfect ballad.
Stadler :hifive:
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100. Never Enough (17th) I don't get how this is at 100. This song has many cool parts, especially the instrumental break.
99. Wither (66th) Solid song, when it hits, it's great but it doesn't always warrant a listen.
98. The Gift Of Music (92nd) It's alright. Past entry 82 on my list is stuff that just had to be ranked.
97. Vacant (70th) This song is so awesome on its own and how it leads into SoC
96. Afterlife (98th) See: The Gift of Music
95. Forsaken (87th) It's alright, live is good.
94. S2N (NR) Honestly just not familiar enough with this song yet.
93. Our New World (NR) See: S2N
92. The Looking Glass (54th) This is one of the better tracks off of DT12. Great chorus, surprised it is this low.
91. A New Beginning (NR) Couldn't tell you what album it's from.
90. Transcending Time I really don't like DT12 View at this time, with about 5 listens since returning to the forum last year. But this song stuck out and was good enough to make the list.
89. Behind The Veil (NR) See: A New Beginning
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88. This Is The Life (33rd) This song is very underrated. It has a huge atmosphere to it and a great buildup to that final chorus.
87. New Millennium (NR) Not much of a fan of FII, and this song was always skippable to me.
86. Constant Motion (35th) Sometimes you need a straightforward song, DT does it great here, and the instrumental section with the bass and piano is cool as hell.
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What can I say? It's basically a perfect ballad.
Stadler :hifive:
Yeah, the rest of the forum is off base on that one. It is, without question, my favorite song from the Mangini era.
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Glad there are even bigger fans of it than me.
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154. S2N
145. Vacant
138. Wither
123. Never Enough
121. Afterlife
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96. Behind The Veil
85. Constant Motion
59. The Gift of Music
46. A New Beginning
44. Forsaken
41. The Looking Glass
36. New Millenium (Second highest FII song)
33. Transcending Time
28. Our New World
5. This Is The Life (Highest ADTOE song, highest Mangini-era song, and one of only two in the top 25)
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What can I say? It's basically a perfect ballad.
Stadler :hifive:
Yeah, the rest of the forum is fucked on that one. It is, without question, the best song - read: my favorite - from the Mangini era.
Almost made the top 10 for me. It came at #16. It is my 3rd highest ranked Mangini era song (could've easily been 2nd highest).
New Millenium: #74. Fine tune and with a unique and fun instrumental section.
Constant Motion: #47. This was my first "WOW" moment with the band. I listened to some songs around 05/06 and did not care. This album came out and I heard this song and the drums and guitar solo blew me away.
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This is the life - my #23 - Agreed w Evermind, this is a perfect DT ballad - love this side of JP's playing. This song and The Bigger Picture feel like they're kin of some sort.
New Millennium - my #84 - not my favorite album opener, but a solid DT tune
Constant Motion - my #99 - saved by the solo section
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Update time!
88. This Is The Life
Highest Finish: 4 (Evermind)
Number of Top 10 Finishes: 2 (Evermind, Stadler)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42 (Animal, Awaken, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, KevShmev, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, Mosh, nobloodyname, Peter Mc, pg1067, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, wolfking, Zydar)
I like this song. I actually think there is something really special about JLB's vocal performance on this song.
87. New Millennium
Highest Finish: 13 (WardySI)
Number of Lists appeared on: 37 (Adami, Awaken, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, mariner, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Stadler, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Zydar)
I never cared for this song, and my dislike for it has only grown over the years.
86. Constant Motion
Highest Finish: 18 (pg1067)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42 (Adami, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, Jamesman42, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, lightningbolt, mariner, Metro, Mladen, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, pg1067, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, Revenge319, Stadler, The Realm, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Kind of surprised to see this song so low. I thought it was more liked around these parts. I think this is a great, straight ahead song from DT. Killer drums from MP and blistering solo from JP.
I think I may have 'New Millenium' the highest (6). I love it. It was pretty much the first DT I remember hearing, having bought FII on the recommendation that JP was the best guitarist out there, and this album was what the record shop had at the time. It made an impression on me. Parts of it reminded me of Tom Sawyer. It's relatively 'basic' by DT's standards, but I was impressed by how precise everything was, almost clinical. That was want I wanted at that particular time.
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This Is the Life: 36. In a perfect world there's no reason this song isn't a global hit. In the world we live in it's still a masterclass in song structure.
New Millennium: Didn't make the cut. A couple of interesting bits inside a not so interesting song.
Constant Motion: Didn't make the cut: As above with yet fewer interesting bits.
The Score so far:
21 - A New Beginning
36 - This Is the Life
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
68 - Our New World
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
Not Rated: Never Enough, Wither, Afterlife, Forsaken, S2N, Transcending Time, New Millennium, Constant Motion
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This is the Life (60) A great song, even though ballads are typically not what I look for in DT (unless they are little transitional pieces or infused with Kevin Moore weirdness). Still, this is a song I would never skip, even when in a song-skipping mood.
New Millennium (NR) The best thing I can say about this song is that whenever I listen to it, I feel it is not as bad as I remember it to be. But after some time has passed since the listening, I somehow return to the belief that it is one of the worst DT songs. Which it very well might be. Maybe it is just a property of DT songs that even the worst of them are nowhere near as bad as you would have the right to expect any band's worst songs to be.
Chaos in Motion (NR) The same as NM, only more annoying. Strangely, I used to claim Mike Portnoy was a great singer (which really meant that he was a bit better than people gave him credit for). But his backing vocals in this song are definitely not an argument in favor of that claim.
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88. This Is The Life (#74 in the previous countdown)
A fine ballad, but nothing more for me. I had it at #71.
87. New Millennium (#90 in the previous countdown)
I enjoy this one and placed it at #65, I think watching the Budokan DVD early on in my DT fandom made me appreciate it more.
86. Constant Motion (#82 in the previous countdown)
A straight ahead rocker from SC with some Metallica influences thrown in. Don't really understand the hate, I had it as high as #42.
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24 This is the Life
26 A New Beginning
31 Afterlife
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
51 Our New World
54 Wither
64 The Looking Glass
76 Transcending Time
81 The Gift of Music
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millenium
Phew this moves quickly! Agreed with Stads and others regarding TITL, just beautiful. Constant Motion is their most head-bangable song. A New Beginning I believe I have too high because I love that ending so much. But I rank the Mangini era highly which explains BTV, TT, TLG, and ONW all making my list as well.
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88. This Is The Life Number 86 for me. Great ballad by DT, but ballads aren't really what I gravitate to when listening to DT.
87. New Millennium Didn't make my top 100, although I don't hate it.
86. Constant Motion See also, New Millennium
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Update time!
88. This Is The Life
Highest Finish: 4 (Evermind)
Number of Top 10 Finishes: 2 (Evermind, Stadler)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42 (Animal, Awaken, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, KevShmev, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, Mosh, nobloodyname, Peter Mc, pg1067, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, wolfking, Zydar)
I like this song. I actually think there is something really special about JLB's vocal performance on this song.
87. New Millennium
Highest Finish: 13 (WardySI)
Number of Lists appeared on: 37 (Adami, Awaken, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, mariner, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Stadler, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Zydar)
I never cared for this song, and my dislike for it has only grown over the years.
86. Constant Motion
Highest Finish: 18 (pg1067)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42 (Adami, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, Jamesman42, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, lightningbolt, mariner, Metro, Mladen, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, pg1067, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, Revenge319, Stadler, The Realm, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Kind of surprised to see this song so low. I thought it was more liked around these parts. I think this is a great, straight ahead song from DT. Killer drums from MP and blistering solo from JP.
I think I may have 'New Millenium' the highest (6). I love it. It was pretty much the first DT I remember hearing, having bought FII on the recommendation that JP was the best guitarist out there, and this album was what the record shop had at the time. It made an impression on me. Parts of it reminded me of Tom Sawyer. It's relatively 'basic' by DT's standards, but I was impressed by how precise everything was, almost clinical. That was want I wanted at that particular time.
Hey there! You're right, I'll update the post when I get home.
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None of todays three ranked for me.
They are still good songs but to me there are about a 100 Dream Theater songs that are more memorable.
This is the life a nice little ballad but nothing that really hooks me in.
New Millennium, Falling Into Infinity has it's highs and it's lows, this to me is one of the lows.
Constant Motion, a straight up rocker is not what I want from DT and will probably not get ranked too high. This is not one of my favorites.
37 Our New World (93)
59 Transcending Time (90)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86)
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Nothing from The Astonishing made my list. I like the album very much for what it is but it's very much a "sum of its parts" experience for me. Individual tracks like Chosen and Ravenskill are fantastic, but DT just have 100 other songs I prefer to them.
All the other tracks not on my list (Wither, S2N, This is the Life) finished narrowly outside of it, in the 101 to 115 range.
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New Millennium - 76
Constant Motion - none
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None of these songs made my list.
This is the Life really doesn't do anything for me, sorry Evermind :D
New Millennium is ok I guess, it's just that there were 100 more songs I liked better.
Constant Motion... bleah. Live it was cool I guess, but I never connected with the song, it feels like they're trying too hard to be heavy and edgy and contemporary. Followers rather than pathfinders. Never before or since the songs I liked the least on the album were the heavy ones (The Dark Eternal Night is another no no for me).
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88. This Is The Life - Did not rank. Great example of a song that is really good, but there just being so many more that are better. Easily the best of the ballads that did not make it and one of DT's better ballads overall.
87. New Millennium - 69. I love how different this song is, and how much ground it covers in its run time.
86. Constant Motion - Finished one spot ahead of Forsaken. Fun, well-written song from start to finish. I love that they just went for doing a "straightforward" metal song, but it still has plenty of signature DT. And that breakdown section is outstanding.
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88 This Is The Life - I had it at # 83. I like it, a good ballad.
87 New Millennium - I have always liked this song. It ranked # 68 for me. When I initially got Falling Into Infinity, this was one of the few bright spots. Love that JM used the Stick on this, but I hate that he never used it again.
86 Constant Motion - A nice instrumental section, wrapped inside a fucking terrible song. DNR.
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This is the Life ... 78. I think I may have had it slightly higher at one point, in the back 1/2 of the Top 100 feels exactly right
New Millennium ... a few spots higher at 75. I was not prepared for a less-heavy DT after the onslaught and diversity of Awake. This was clearly a sign of an attempt to be more commercially appealing, and well... we all know how that went.
Constant Motion ... Hef's right. The instrumental part is one of their better instrumental sections ever. The rest of the song is so-so. Good enough to crack my list at 92.
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New Millennium is a really cool song with an awesome instrumental section but some dodgy verses. I like the chorus just fine, but you kind of have to slog through the verses (especially the second one) to get to the good parts. Love DT playing in that more Crimson/jam style throughout though.
Don’t know the other two tracks of the day. Edit: I do know Constant Motion. It is not something I’d listen to again though.
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New Millennium ... a few spots higher at 75. I was not prepared for a less-heavy DT after the onslaught and diversity of Awake. This was clearly a sign of an attempt to be more commercially appealing, and well... we all know how that went.
I know we all thought this about FII at the time (myself included), but apart from it being less heavy, I don’t think there was anything particularly commercial about New Millennium. It’s one of their more proggy songs if anything.
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Other two tracks:
New Millenium - not ranked - I wouldn't call FII an album I often return to. This song is alright but I rarely listen to it.
Constant Motion - #98 - if this song and TDEN were better, SC would've been one of my favourite albums I think. Also an okay track. I don't skip it on the album, but I never want to listen to this song in isolation.
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Three out of three today, and I nearly had This is the Life in the correct spot.
My ranking so far:
13. Wither
20. Never Enough
29. Constant Motion
30. A New Beginning
45. The Looking Glass
49. Forsaken
55. Behind the Veil
83. This is the Life
86. Our New World
100. New Millennium
Not ranked:
109. Vacant
113. Afterlife
123. Transcending Time
125. S2N
140. The Gift of Music
OK, so as much as This is the Life ranked way lower than some for me (#83), I can understand the love for this song, and it was one of the highest climbers for me. I still wouldn't be able to justify it in my top 10 though, I'm not that much of a mad lad. The songs from Dramatic Turn are amongst the highest movers during this process, and I reevaluated my whole ranking of the album. Ask me in a year and I could see this song landing even higher.
New Millennium was the Hokey Cokey of my rankings, and ended up sliding "in" at #100. It's alright I guess, but I couldn't put it any higher.
Constant Motion, what can I say I've always loved it and it was probably the first new song I experienced in real time. The instrumental section elevates it from being a straight forward rocker, although it is still that at heart. That instrumental break really is special though, and I specifically love the bit that starts at the 4 minute mark, and lasts for around a minute. #29 for me, and I can't argue that.
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88. This Is The Life
87. New Millennium
86. Constant Motion
Highest Finish: 18 (pg1067)
I had TITL at #97 and was actually a little surprised it made my top 100 (my list having been thrown together hastily at the eleventh hour). It starts out nice but doesn't really go anywhere interesting. TITL came in at #74 on the 2021-22 countdown, so this is a decent drop.
New Millennium is a bottom 5 DT song for me. Just disjointed and annoying. I can vividly recall standing in the living room at my wife's and my new apartment and hearing this. Initially, I thought it sounded cool, but it just never went anywhere. It came in at #90 on the 2021-22 countdown.
Constant Motion was one of the songs in my 11-20 range that I thought I had a chance to be the high ranker. It's the best song on SC, and it's not close. Just pure energy from start to finish. It came in at #82 on the 2021-22 countdown.
List Not Ranked
100 Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87)
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27 Wither (99)
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S2N - My ranking: #58 (+1)
The bass leading into the full band is one of Dream Theater's most memorable song intros ever, and the instrumental TDEN-style outro is very enjoyable. Everything in-between is also great.
Our New World - My ranking: #100 (+3)
Just barely making the cut for my list, Our New World is far from my favorite song on The Astonishing but is still an enjoyable one. The chorus is fun to listen to, and I like the callback to A Savior in the Square at the end. After listening to TA again, I feel like Our New World and Astonishing should have swapped places in the track list. Astonishing makes sense as the closer, but I think Our New World would have ended things on a higher note, and the lyrics would flow together a little better narratively. (In the song order they went with, Faythe waits until after their repeated proclamations of building a new world to thank him for bringing her back to life?)
The Looking Glass - My ranking: #130 (+1)
Very reminiscent of Rush's Limelight, but still a good song in its own right. This is another song I don't listen to much, but despite the low ranking I enjoyed this one more than I usually do.
A New Beginning - My ranking: #37 (-7)
The best song on The Astonishing and one that I would've loved to rank higher. The highlight is the whole second half of the song, from the lyrical climax to the instrumental section to the long guitar solo. But I'd be remiss if I didn't also mention the first half of the song, which is of a similarly high quality. I love the energetic back-and-forth, and how the mood of the song changes depending on which character is singing. So many great moments in this song, I love it.
Transcending Time - My ranking: #71
A View from the Top of the World took a while for me to absorb, and my thoughts haven't changed all that much about it; it's a very solid album, though it has the lowest highs of any Dream Theater album. That being said, the songs here ended up ranking a little higher than I expected. Transcending Time lands in the middle of my AVFTTOTW rankings, and it's pretty good! I enjoy the light tone, it feels lively and brings to mind some pleasant, natural scenery. The lyrics are very good, the guitar solo is cool and adds a brief metal spin to the song, and "traaa-a-an-scending tiiiime" is one of James' better moments on the album.
Behind The Veil - My ranking: #123 (-2)
Not much to say about this one. Very similar to my thoughts on The Looking Glass, minus the Rush comparison.
This Is The Life - My ranking: #84 (-12)
I'll try not to repeat myself too much about this, but the problem with doing a Dream Theater ranking is that there will inevitably be songs I feel like I ranked way too low because pretty much all of their songs are great. Case in point, This is the Life is one of those songs. I wouldn't rank it super high, but #84? Really?? Every section of this song is great, I love the melancholic yet hopeful and inspirational tone of both the music and lyrics.
New Millennium - My ranking: #148 (-8)
Just Let Me Breathe used to be my least favorite song from Falling Into Infinity, but now it's this one. My thoughts are similar to Indiscipline's, in that there's a couple parts I like but is overall not all that interesting. For being my second least favorite Dream Theater song, though, it's not bad. Just not all that remarkable.
Constant Motion - My ranking: #35 (+29)
Constant Motion is awesome, I never got the complaints about this one. The instrumental section and solos are excellent, but everything before and after is just as great. The lyrics are good as well, and in recent years I find that there's a lot that I relate to. Also, I've heard people compare this song to Metallica a lot, but after becoming very familiar with Metallica's first few albums, I don't really hear any Metallica inspiration in Constant Motion.
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New Millennium - My ranking: #148 (-8)
Just Let Me Breathe used to be my least favorite song from Falling Into Infinity, but now it's this one.
Worse than YNM AND BMS!?!? now there's a hot take.
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New Millennium is a bottom 5 DT song for me. Just disjointed and annoying.
Could not agree more with pg1067 in here and I rarely ever think a Dream Theater song 's bad. But this one seems appropriate.
My own 100:
094: S2n (Distance Over Time) #94
093: Never Enough (Octavarium) #100
087: Forsaken (Systematic Chaos) #95
084: Constant Motion (Systematic Chaos) #84
078: Behind the Veil (Dream Theater) #89
077: Afterlife (Dream and Day) #96
054: The Looking Glass (Dream Theater) #92
050: Wither (Black Clouds) #99
048: Transcending Time (A View From the Top) #90
not rankend: #6 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium
15 Songs in and already 6 didn't make my list. Which also means, 6 of mine didn't make the list eventually.
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I made an edit of New Millennium without the second verse, and I like it much better. I also think that song could have worked better as just an instrumental. I still like it though.
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A little bit of catch up to do.
A New Beginning - This just barely squeaked into my list at 100. There are plenty of interesting musical passages, but the lyrics are just......not good. I just wish James had some better lyrics to sing here.
Transcending Time - I had this at 73. Just a good shorter song. I don't really care for the lyrics too much. Maybe I'm just not into Petrucci's lyrics these days. I don't know. I really like Mangini's drums here. The instrumental passage seems a little forced, but I enjoy it anyway.
Behind the Veil - This landed at #88. I actually don't mind the slow build up in the beginning. Petrucci's guitar work is wonderful throughout as is the interplay with Myung's bass. It does unfortunately suffer from the DT12 production and the lyrics are a little meh.
This is the Life - This didn't make my top 100, landing at #111. It's a fine song, perhaps a little too long for what it is. I do love the piano throughout and the guitar leads. James sounds fine here with some good vocal melodies.
New Millenium - This song has surprisingly grown on me a lot over the years. I actually had it at 81. A few years ago I doubt it would have cracked my top 100 and might have been below 125. The only things really holding back this song are the keyboard patches and the length being too long. John Myung is definitely the star of the song though.
Constant Motion - On the other hand, this is a song that has fallen off for me over the years. Now down at 106. Everything is played well, but it's perhaps a bit too straightforward, plus a few sections being technical just for the sake of being technical. Then there's the vocals, I just don't like them.
143 - Vacant
111 - This is the Life
108 - Wither
107 - Never Enough
106 - Constant Motion
100 - A New Beginning
91 - Forsaken
88 - Behind the Veil
81 - New Millenium
76 - Our New World
73 - Transcending Time
68 - S2N
58 - The Gift of Music
50 - The Looking Glass
30 - Afterlife
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New Millennium - My ranking: #148 (-8)
Just Let Me Breathe used to be my least favorite song from Falling Into Infinity, but now it's this one.
Worse than YNM AND BMS!?!? now there's a hot take.
You Not Me is only a couple spots above New Millennium, and Burning My Soul made it to my Top 50.
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BMS isn't that bad.
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BMS isn't that bad.
Neither is PMS.
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BMS isn't that bad.
Neither is PMS.
Agreed, it has a good flow.
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88. This Is The Life - this was my second-lowest ranking song excluding NOMAC tracks. Ever since Thiago made that post comparing this album to I&W, I've never been able to get past the structural similarity to Another Day which is a superior song in every way. As a result, I have no reason to ever go back to this one.
Does that in itself make it a bad song? No, but for me it does rob it of a unique identity which almost every other song in the DT catalogue has.
87. New Millennium - didn't make my list either. It's fine and has a nice groove and one of only a few occasions where JM brought out the Chapman Stick. Now this one DEFINITELY has a unique identity. But still... I just don't love it. At 8 and a half minutes long and an underwhelming chorus, it outstays it's welcome.
86. Constant Motion - this ranked quite a bit higher for me at 58. Great tune! The song has a great driving energy throughout, an awesome Metallica-influenced verse and some insane riffs! The highlight for me has to be the instrumental bridge that develops into the guitar solo section - but it's not the guitar which is the highlight here, but the rhythm section. The way that relatively simple bass line develops into another fast and crazy line doubled by the other instruments, and how the drum pattern gradually develops and gets busier, and busier... MP is all over the kit by the time and it peaks, and it's simply mind-blowing. I'm glad he's coming back... :)
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BMS isn't that bad.
You're right ... it's ALL bad. ;D
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88. This Is The Life
Highest Finish: 4 (Evermind)
Number of Top 10 Finishes: 2 (Evermind, Stadler)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42 (Animal, Awaken, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, KevShmev, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, Mosh, nobloodyname, Peter Mc, pg1067, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, wolfking, Zydar)
87. New Millennium
Highest Finish: 13 (WardySI)
Number of Lists appeared on: 37 (Adami, Awaken, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, mariner, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Stadler, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Zydar)
86. Constant Motion
Highest Finish: 18 (pg1067)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42 (Adami, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, Jamesman42, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, lightningbolt, mariner, Metro, Mladen, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, pg1067, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, Revenge319, Stadler, The Realm, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had This Is The Life at #73.
I consider this a perfectly written composition.
I had New Millenium as Not Rated.
I was so excited to finally get FII, so when I first heard New Millenium, it sounded to me like they were trying too hard to make another Metropolis. The whole song is flat to me.
I had Constant Motion as Not Rated.
I don't hate it. The solo section is excellent, but the verses are too close to Anthrax's I Am The Law it's uncomfortable.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 Transcending Time
95 Behind The Veil
94 New Milenium
93 Constant Motion
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BMS isn't that bad.
You're right ... it's ALL bad. ;D
Giving it a listen for the first time in over a decade. It's not good, but I still like the chorus and some of the verses. The best part is the lead in to Hell's Kitchen, the best song on the album.
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BMS isn't that bad.
Neither is PMS.
Agreed, it has a good flow.
You're about to summon Glasser with talk like that.
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88. This Is The Life - 23 for me. I love this song (lol - I will say this many times). I don't usually rate ballads as high, but it has an emotional attachment. It is
always worth listening to. Except for hard days, when it will make me cry.
87. New Millennium - 72. This is a groovy song.
86. Constant Motion - 44. This one is getting better and better for me. The opening riff rocks and the middle instrumental part does too.
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New Millennium - My ranking: #148 (-8)
Just Let Me Breathe used to be my least favorite song from Falling Into Infinity, but now it's this one.
Worse than YNM AND BMS!?!? now there's a hot take.
Just let me breathe and new millennium are awful songs imo :lol
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New Millennium - My ranking: #148 (-8)
Just Let Me Breathe used to be my least favorite song from Falling Into Infinity, but now it's this one.
Worse than YNM AND BMS!?!? now there's a hot take.
YNM and BMS are probably my #5 and #6 FII songs.
Just let me breathe and new millennium are awful songs imo :lol
Yup. My bottom 2 songs on FII. JLMB is part 1 of the "MP Bitches and Moans About Stuff" trilogy. Part 3 was the first song revealed in the countdown; hopefully, we won't be seeing part 2.
I had Constant Motion as Not Rated.
I don't hate it. The solo section is excellent, but the verses are too close to Anthrax's I Am The Law it's uncomfortable.
Drokk that!
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I had Constant Motion as Not Rated.
I don't hate it. The solo section is excellent, but the verses are too close to Anthrax's I Am The Law it's uncomfortable.
Drokk that!
Respect the badge!
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I can't tell you how long it's been since I've heard that song! Brings back memories.
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This is the Life- Not rated for me. This one just missed the cut, it was in the final tier of songs that went into my top 100 but finished at #104. A nice ballad.
New Millenium- Not rated and not in consideration for my list. This one has never clicked with me at all.
Constant Motion- #77 on my list. A fun song with some very Metallica inspired riffage (not a bad thing) and a wild solo section :metal
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This is the Life #74
Constant Motion #86
New Millennium #13
Was a little surprised I initially had top ranking of New Millennium but glad to see Fonzie shares the love well done. I remember hearing the song for the first time thinking it was the shit and (obviously) still think it's a killer song :metal
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Awww no. I missed the chance to participate. Now I gotta wait a whole extra year. Boo!
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Rank - Song Name (My Ranking)
100. Never Enough (59)
99. Wither (92)
98. The Gift Of Music (No ranking)
97. Vacant (29)
96. Afterlife (No ranking)
95. Forsaken (21 - I was the high vote for this one!)
94. S2N (No ranking)
93. Our New World (No ranking)
92. The Looking Glass (83)
91. A New Beginning (No ranking)
90. Transcending Time (No ranking)
89. Behind The Veil (No ranking)
88. This Is The Life (82)
87. New Millennium (16)
86. Constant Motion (84)
Interesting that of the bottom 15:
- 5 were lower than #100 for me
- my sequence of 82-83-84 all showed up
- I had the high vote for one song.
Interested to see how much forther my tastes diverge from the average. Surprised how low New Millenium is - I LOVE the track, such a great groove.
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88. This Is The Life - 109. Barely missed the top! I do dig it, but I can live without it too.
87. New Millennium - 26. I get the impression a lot of people really dislike this track, but I always have a lot of fun with it. When I read that they wrote it without JP in the room I thought "it shows". Not really guitar-driven (though the guitar parts are still great).
86. Constant Motion - 50. Perhaps my favorite LaBrie + Portnoy duet! Like Metallica, but better :hat
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I had TITL at number 93. Yeah, put me down on the not really getting the hype of this one. The JP solo and the lead in to it is excellent though. I will say, it was better than I remembered when I checked the album again a couple of weeks ago.
NM didn't rank for me. Never did anything for me at all. It's fine I guess but meh.
CM came in at 98. This dropped from my last list I believe and listening to SC again I realised it's actually not that great. The instrumental section fucking rips though and does enough to make the 100.
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99 A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
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93 This is the Life
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100. Never Enough #68 - I never took the lyrics personally and was not familiar with Muse, so thought this song was strong out of the gate, on a very uneven album after the first couple listens.
99. Wither #90
98. The Gift Of Music NR
97. Vacant #37
96. Afterlife #97 - Great performance on SCORE, but ranked songs based on their album recording.
95. Forsaken #57 - Not a song I listen to much - on SC I usually go straight from ItPoE1 to TMoLS - but enjoy it when I do.
94. S2N NR
93. Our New World NR
92. The Looking Glass #64
91. A New Beginning #77
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This is the Life - a really nice ballad, but not one I really return to often I ranked this 79.
New Millennium - from my point of view this is DTs worst song. Just horrendous. Happy to see some others also don't like it. Unranked.
Constant Motion - Kind of a bit of a mess and I don't like the chorus but still good enough overall to make my top 100. I ranked this at 90.
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86. Constant Motion - 50. Perhaps my favorite LaBrie + Portnoy duet! Like Metallica, but better :hat
Let's not get carried away now.
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Been jamming out to New Millennium all night. This is one of my favorite DT instrumental sections for sure. It's unfortunate you have to tread through the verses to get to it.
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86. Constant Motion - 50. Perhaps my favorite LaBrie + Portnoy duet! Like Metallica, but better :hat
Let's not get carried away now.
This is a classic comment. Love it.
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86. Constant Motion - 50. Perhaps my favorite LaBrie + Portnoy duet! Like a very average Metallica tribute band, but better :hat
I brought this back down to earth for you.
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I didn't rank This is the life, although I do like it. New millennium is another one I'd save for my list of lesser favorite Dream Theater songs. ;D
Constant motion was my #71. It's fun. :tup
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I'm running a bit late for work so I'll update OP during lunch, but here are today's updates!
85. Sleeping Giant
Highest Finish: 4 (jonny108)
Number of Lists appeared on: 37 (Animal, Awaken, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jonny108, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, Wim Kruithof)
When I was listening through some tracks this one actually stood out to me. I guess it's been a while since I've heard the song but I really enjoyed it.
83t. The Enemy Inside
Highest Finish: 10 (Animal)
Number of Lists appeared on: 48 (Animal, Awaken, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jonny108, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, ReaperKK, Revenge319, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Toro, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Out of all the DT songs this one gets stuck in my head the most, and it's not even close to a favorite :lol
83t. Surrender To Reason
Highest Finish: 12 (Vmadera00)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42 (Awaken, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, Dream Team, energythief, Evermind, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, Metro, Mladen, Mosh, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Kind of surprised to see this song so low. I thought it was more liked around these parts. I think this is a great, straight ahead song from DT. Killer drums from MP and blistering solo from JP.
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85. Sleeping Giant 58 on my list. Great riffs, and even better keyboard work by JR.
84. The Enemy Inside Did not rank. Never liked this one from the get go.
83. Surrender To Reason Did not rank.
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Sleeping Giant - my #45 - Highest ranked song from AVFTTOTW, loved this one from first listen
The Enemy Inside - my #88 - Strong single/intro to DT12, though I don't revisit it often
Surrender to Reason - my #83 - right on target. way easier on the ears than TEI, my #4 from the album
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85. Sleeping Giant
Although I listened to AVFTTOTW one more time before I did my rankings, I still can't remember anything from this song. Did not rank.
84. The Enemy Inside
This, on the other hand, has been a favourite since album release. A catchy single with a cool riff. I had it at #58.
83. Surrender To Reason
A great song with lots of fine melodies, especially that guitar melody running through the song and going into the solo. It took my #60 spot.
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85. Sleeping Giant
Highest Finish: 4 (jonny108)
Number of Lists appeared on: 37 (Animal, Awaken, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jonny108, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, Wim Kruithof)
84. The Enemy Inside
Highest Finish: 10 (Animal)
Number of Lists appeared on: 48 (Animal, Awaken, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jonny108, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, ReaperKK, Revenge319, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Toro, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
83. Surrender To Reason
Highest Finish: 12 (Vmadera00)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42 (Awaken, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, Dream Team, energythief, Evermind, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, Metro, Mladen, Mosh, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had Sleeping Giant at #41.
This took a while to unpack but I think this is a great song. So happy to have seen it live this summer. A real highlight.
I had The Enemy Inside at #28.
I think I like this song a little ore with every listen. It's aged really well.
I had Surrender To Reason at #69.
I kind of thought I'd have this a little higher, but I suppose it's right where it should be.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 Transcending Time
95 Behind The Veil
94 New Milenium
93 Constant Motion
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91
90 Forsaken
89
88
87
86
85
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83
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76 S2N
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74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
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69 Surrender Of Reason
68
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63
62
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60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
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41 Sleeping Giant
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35 The Gift Of Music
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28 The Enemy Inside
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85. Sleeping Giant
Highest Finish: 4 (jonny108)
Number of Lists appeared on: 37
84. The Enemy Inside
Highest Finish: 10 (Animal)
Number of Lists appeared on: 48
83. Surrender To Reason
Highest Finish: 12 (Vmadera00)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42
85. Sleeping Giant: NR. Came out at 101. It's fine, but nothing special.
84. Enemy Inside: #84 for me (right on target). When this album came out, and the epic were the only tracks that clicked with me. This song dropped a lot in the last 10 years, but I still enjoy it when it plays.
83: Surrender To Reason: Mark me down as surprised that 1) I'm the highest ranker and 2) this ranked so low. Lately, this is the only song I listen to from this album on any consistent basis. Everyone is great on this track. Also, the last chorus/bridge with the harmonized vocals and JP playing the melodic solo
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85. Sleeping Giant - none
84. The Enemy - none
83. Surrender To Reason - none
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NR Sleeping Giant
NR Surrender To Reason
154. S2N
145. Vacant
138. Wither
123. Never Enough
121. Afterlife
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96. Behind The Veil
85. Constant Motion
80. The Enemy Inside
59. The Gift of Music
46. A New Beginning
44. Forsaken
41. The Looking Glass
36. New Millenium
33. Transcending Time
28. Our New World
5. This Is The Life
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Sleeping Giant a top ranking song from AWFTTOTW for me (33). I have one higher. There are some really tasty parts here. Rudess elevates it for sure.
The Enemy Inside did not rank for me. I did the ranker from memory had I taken the time to listen as I do now it might have ranked in the lower 10s (99 -100) possibly.
Surrender to Reason ranked at nr 87 for me. Listenig to it now it's probably where it should be. Nice enough song but Dream Theater has many that connect better with me.
My ranking so far
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
37 Our New World (93)
59 Transcending Time (90)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84)
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Sleeping Giant: didn't make the cut, couldn't fight the Ranker
The Enemy Inside: didn't make the cut, couldn't fight me and the Ranker
Surrender to Reason: 33. Everything I love about DT is perfectly balanced here and nothing is showed off. Maybe Mangini's most exquisitely musical studio performance in the catalogue.
The Score so far:
21 - A New Beginning
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
68 - Our New World
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
Not Rated: Never Enough, Wither, Afterlife, Forsaken, S2N, Transcending Time, New Millennium, Constant Motion, Sleeping Giant, The Enemy Inside
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Sleeping Giant (73) This was an early favorite from A View. I enjoy the jazzy feel and instrumental sections a lot. The vocal parts are not aging so well, though.
The Enemy Inside (10) I didn't expect to have my Stadler moment so early! I gotta say it is very convenient as, seeing my ranking in Reaper's update, I didn't have to look up the song in my list to see how I had ranked it. By DT standards, this is a simple and straightforward, but I just love it.
Surrender to a Reason (NR) Possibly a victim of the chaotic ranking process.
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I had The Enemy Inside at #28.
I think I like this song a little ore with every listen. It's aged really well.
Yeah, it's pretty metal. ;)
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I had The Enemy Inside at #28.
I think I like this song a little ore with every listen. It's aged really well.
Yeah, it's pretty metal. ;)
:metal
Kingshmetal!!
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You rang? :lol
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Neither Sleeping giant nor The Enemy inside made it to my list, but I do like the latter quite a bit. It was an entertaining single and a cool live track.
Surrender to reason was my #62. It's probably my 2nd favorite song on the self titled album. I agree with Vmadera00 on that final chorus, it's brilliant.
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85 Sleeping Giant - I like this song quite a bit more than the consensus here, ranking it at # 43. Just a great, great song. All of the classic DT song qualities are here, and the song sounds extremely fresh to my ears.
84 The Enemy Inside - Again, I appear to like this one a little more than the consensus, ranking it at # 61. Heavy and aggressive, with a driving beat, great riffage, interesting dynamics, and good lyrics and a great JLB performance as well. Nothing not to like IMO.
83 Surrender to Reason - On the other hand, this one barely made my list, at # 98. If I look at the individual properties of this song, I should probably like it more than I do, but for some reason, the sum of the parts doesn't hit me the way I would have thought it would. *shrugs*
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83. Surrender To Reason
Kind of surprised to see this song so low. I thought it was more liked around these parts. I think this is a great, straight ahead song from DT. Killer drums from MP and blistering solo from JP.
Hopefully soon! :lol
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Two out of three today and surprisingly, its the two from D12.
I had Sleeping Giant at 119. It's fine, but is it really better than Wither? I think not. I much prefer Mastodon's version! This is me when I try to think of anything else positive to say about this song...
Staring down, staring down
Nothing comes to mind
Find the place turn the water into wine
But I feel I'm getting nowhere
And I'll never see the end...
SO I WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTHHEERRRRRRRRR
AND RENDER MYSELF HEEEELPLESSSSS...
I had The Enemy Inside at #35 and Surrender To Reason at #62. Both quality songs from one of my favourite DT records.
My ranking so far:
13. Wither
20. Never Enough
29. Constant Motion
30. A New Beginning
35. The Enemy Inside
45. The Looking Glass
49. Forsaken
55. Behind the Veil
62. Surrender to Reason
83. This is the Life
86. Our New World
100. New Millennium
Not ranked:
109. Vacant
113. Afterlife
119. Sleeping Giant
123. Transcending Time
125. S2N
140. The Gift of Music
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I had Sleeping Giant at 119. It's fine, but is it really better than Wither? I think not. I much prefer Mastodon's version!
:metal :metal
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I had Sleeping Giant at 119. It's fine, but is it really better than Wither? I think not. I much prefer Mastodon's version!
:metal :metal
Right?! It's a terrible cover, sounds nothing like the 'Don.
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Sleeping Giant - not ranked - I think I have one song from AVFTTOTW on my list and this isn't it. I've listened to the album once more in preparation to this but still not terribly familiar with the material. This was one of the harder songs to grasp and I think it could benefit from additional listens.
The Enemy Inside - #66 - solid metal song. Good chorus. Definitely ahead of CM or TDEN in my book.
Surrender to Reason - #63 - also a very solid song. Definitely like it although the lyrics seemed typical JM on release and not in a good way. Really expected to see it on DT12 tour (not disappointed in what we've got but wonder why they didn't play it).
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Sleeping Giant - My ranking: #40
Not as good of a vocal performance as Bladecatcher, but a nice attempt nonetheless. Sleeping Giant was my favorite song on AVFTTOTW for a while, though recently another song has taken first place on the album. The music fits with the idea of a metaphorical sleeping giant very nicely. It's got this sound that simultaneously feels angry, and as though it's exercising caution because it's aware of what's hiding beneath. The chorus is very good, as is all the instrumental parts, big and small. It took some time for the songs on this album to grow on me, but I enjoyed Sleeping Giant right away.
The Enemy Inside - My ranking: #59 (-10)
A classic Dream Theater song right here. I don't think they've ever made a song with this structure that I don't enjoy. The Enemy Inside is a great song on its own, but I think Jordan really helps elevate it with the keyboards despite them mostly being in the background.
Surrender to Reason - My ranking: #147 (-10)
At this point, I think I get what people enjoy about this song, but it just doesn't have much that interests me. The acoustic section is nice but I feel like it's cut short, and the rest of the song that follows isn't memorable.
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35. Constant Motion
37. A New Beginning
40. Sleeping Giant
58. S2N
59. The Enemy Inside
63. The Gift of Music
71. Transcending Time
84. This is the Life
89. Never Enough
90. Wither
93. Vacant
100. Our New World
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Sleeping Giant didn't make my cut. Didn't really connect with it, there's nothing I strongly dislike on View, but the album didn't really have much staying power with me.
The Enemy Inside barely made it at 99. Good song, it's a testament to DT's quality that I can find something nice to see even to songs I ranked so low.
Surrender to Reason is another song I would never say I dislike, but it just didn't make my cut. I can survive without it being played live. Maybe I would enjoy it live however, who knows.
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Sleeping Giant ... NR, along with all other tracks from A View
The Enema Inside ... NR - as far as singles go, not the worst from the Roadrunner era, but not the best either. I don't think I ever considered it for the Top 100, but if I had, it probably would have just missed. Having just listened to it now, it's better than I remember, but still not Top 100 material.
Surrender to Reason ... 79. Good tune. One I enjoyed listening to
Also, I've started curating a Spotify playlists as songs are revealed - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1qZDwbh6xzExhXc5Af8NLR?si=eaf2201d98054e02
The WDADU, CotC, and other non-album tracks might be difficult, since those aren't on Spotify. Anything from WDADU, I'll just use the LNF Archive of WDADRU.
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Sleeping Giant ... NR, along with all other tracks from A View
The Enema Inside ... NR - as far as singles go, not the worst from the Roadrunner era, but not the best either. I don't think I ever considered it for the Top 100, but if I had, it probably would have just missed. Having just listened to it now, it's better than I remember, but still not Top 100 material.
Surrender to Reason ... 79. Good tune. One I enjoyed listening to
Also, I've started curating a Spotify playlists as songs are revealed - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1qZDwbh6xzExhXc5Af8NLR?si=eaf2201d98054e02
The WDADU, CotC, and other non-album tracks might be difficult, since those aren't on Spotify. Anything from WDADU, I'll just use the LNF Archive of WDADRU.
You mind if I put that link in the OP?
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An interesting sequence of songs in the last 2 days, most scratching or inside my Top 50:
This Is The Life (my #94) is my least favorite from the bunch, but like others said, it's a very well written song. The keyboards are beautifully arranged.
I always loved A LOT New Millennium from the start (my #20) and always baffled me that it's a song far from the consensus between the fan base.
Constant Motion (my #35) and The Eneny Inside (my #52) are among the best from its albums and are great heavy singles and engaging live songs.
Sleeping Giant (my # 43) has a great Scenes era vibe, really cool, showing a lot of the great chemistry the band achieved in the last Mangini albums.
Surrender to Reason (my# 87) is more a solid to good song to me, but what really elevates this one is the KILLER (althoug a bit short) and very spontaneous solo section.
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Sleeping Giant ... NR, along with all other tracks from A View
The Enema Inside ... NR - as far as singles go, not the worst from the Roadrunner era, but not the best either. I don't think I ever considered it for the Top 100, but if I had, it probably would have just missed. Having just listened to it now, it's better than I remember, but still not Top 100 material.
Surrender to Reason ... 79. Good tune. One I enjoyed listening to
Also, I've started curating a Spotify playlist as songs are revealed - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1qZDwbh6xzExhXc5Af8NLR?si=eaf2201d98054e02
The WDADU, CotC, and other non-album tracks might be difficult, since those aren't on Spotify. Anything from WDADU, I'll just use the LNF Archive of WDADRU.
You mind if I put that link in the OP?
Knock yourself out.
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I don't have my list handy at work to say specifically where I ranked those, but they all did fairly well. I think Sleeping Giant is my highest ranked from View (it's my favorite, so it should be, but using the ranker might have inadvertently got something else ahead of it and I might not have noticed), and I like the other two songs a lot as well. I know I've expressed my love in the past for the section with Jordan's steel drum patch, and I still love that part. Jordan using a synthesized steel drum patch over the top of a metal guitar riff was something I had no idea I needed until this song. :lol
The Enemy Inside was one that didn't hit for me right away, but grew on my over time. In fact, I remember going to a show early on in that tour during the first leg where JP asked me what I thought of the lead single, and I struggled a bit with what to say because it was obvious that he was really proud of it, but I just wasn't really feeling it at all yet at that point. But again, I came to really like and appreciate it. Chad, I'm surprised that it didn't rank at all for you. I mean, I get tastes and all that. But given other stuff that you like, I'm just surprised that this one didn't even make the list, since it seems fairly consistent with things I think you would listen to.
Surrender to Reason is good. I rank it somewhere in the middle for that album, and the album as a whole is my 4th favorite from the band, so...
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I wonder if at the end we'll get some additional stats for the songs that didn't make it. There has to be quite some songs that didn't make the cut but are in several top 50 lists, right? :D
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86. Constant Motion - 50. Perhaps my favorite LaBrie + Portnoy duet! Like a very average Metallica tribute band, but better :hat
I brought this back down to earth for you.
:lol hey, what's life without a little exaggeration here and there? It's tough because I'm generally sick of Metallica, but hypocritically on my part when Dream Theater tries to cop their style I have no problem with it.
Anyway, moving on now:
85. Sleeping Giant - Didn't make the cut (but barely did, at 105!)
84. The Enemy Inside - Didn't make the cut (114)
83. Surrender To Reason - 42. Thought it'd go higher! Can't decide between this one and Looking Glas regarding which one I most want to hear MP playing.
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The Enemy Inside was one that didn't hit for me right away, but grew on my over time. In fact, I remember going to a show early on in that tour during the first leg where JP asked me what I thought of the lead single, and I struggled a bit with what to say because it was obvious that he was really proud of it, but I just wasn't really feeling it at all yet at that point. But again, I came to really like and appreciate it. Chad, I'm surprised that it didn't rank at all for you. I mean, I get tastes and all that. But given other stuff that you like, I'm just surprised that this one didn't even make the list, since it seems fairly consistent with things I think you would listen to.
I dunno... there's something about the chorus that just rubbed me wrong when it first dropped, and maybe I just have an unconscious bias against it for that reason. Like I said, upon spinning it today, it was more enjoyable than I remember it being any other time I listened to it. By-and-large, I'm not a big fan of the "singles" that were released before the albums they were from dropped. I'm probably being unfairly harsh towards it, but this isn't any hotter of a take than Luke has provided us with other tunes. :lol
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85. Sleeping Giant
84. The Enemy Inside
83. Surrender To Reason
I didn't rank Sleeping Giant. It's just kind of there - neither good nor bad.
The Enemy Inside ranked at #39 for me. I tend to forget about it among the other gems on DT12, but every time I listen, I'm like, "wow...this is REALLY good!" It ranked at #56 in the prior countdown, so this is a pretty big fall.
Surrender to Reason came in at #57 for me. It's the least of the triumvirate with Behind the Veil and The Bigger Picture but still really good. It ranked at #58 in the prior countdown, so another pretty big fall.
List Not Ranked
100 Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85)
99
98
97 This Is the Life (88)
96
95
94
93
92
91
90
89
88
87
86
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84 Forsaken (95)
83
82
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79 Vacant (97)
78
77
76
75
74
73
72
71
70
69
68
67
66
65 Transcending Time (90)
64
63
62
61
60
59 Afterlife (96)
58
57 Surrender to Reason (83)
56
55
54
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45
44
43
42
41
40
39 The Enemy Inside (84)
38
37
36
35
34
33
32
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30
29
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
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25
24
23
22
21
20
19
18 Constant Motion (86)
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The Enemy Inside was one that didn't hit for me right away, but grew on my over time. In fact, I remember going to a show early on in that tour during the first leg where JP asked me what I thought of the lead single, and I struggled a bit with what to say because it was obvious that he was really proud of it, but I just wasn't really feeling it at all yet at that point. But again, I came to really like and appreciate it. Chad, I'm surprised that it didn't rank at all for you. I mean, I get tastes and all that. But given other stuff that you like, I'm just surprised that this one didn't even make the list, since it seems fairly consistent with things I think you would listen to.
I dunno... there's something about the chorus that just rubbed me wrong when it first dropped, and maybe I just have an unconscious bias against it for that reason. Like I said, upon spinning it today, it was more enjoyable than I remember it being any other time I listened to it. By-and-large, I'm not a big fan of the "singles" that were released before the albums they were from dropped. I'm probably being unfairly harsh towards it, but this isn't any hotter of a take than Luke has provided us with other tunes. :lol
I feel the same way.
I think for me is that it feels the lyrics don't compliment the melody, or vice-versa. Which that has been the case for some of the more recent DT songs.
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100. Never Enough (17th) I don't get how this is at 100. This song has many cool parts, especially the instrumental break.
99. Wither (66th) Solid song, when it hits, it's great but it doesn't always warrant a listen.
98. The Gift Of Music (92nd) It's alright. Past entry 82 on my list is stuff that just had to be ranked.
97. Vacant (70th) This song is so awesome on its own and how it leads into SoC
96. Afterlife (98th) See: The Gift of Music
95. Forsaken (87th) It's alright, live is good.
94. S2N (NR) Honestly just not familiar enough with this song yet.
93. Our New World (NR) See: S2N
92. The Looking Glass (54th) This is one of the better tracks off of DT12. Great chorus, surprised it is this low.
91. A New Beginning (NR) Couldn't tell you what album it's from.
90. Transcending Time I really don't like DT12 View at this time, with about 5 listens since returning to the forum last year. But this song stuck out and was good enough to make the list.
89. Behind The Veil (NR) See: A New Beginning
88. This Is The Life (33rd) This song is very underrated. It has a huge atmosphere to it and a great buildup to that final chorus.
87. New Millennium (NR) Not much of a fan of FII, and this song was always skippable to me.
86. Constant Motion (35th) Sometimes you need a straightforward song, DT does it great here, and the instrumental section with the bass and piano is cool as hell.
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85. Sleeping Giant (NR)
84. The Enemy Inside (36th) Great, straightforward song, and ranks right next to Constant Motion.
83. Surrender To Reason (64th) This was a mistake to place it at 64th, but by the time I was ranking stuff, I didn't care past a certain point. Relistening now and it's alright, should actually be in the 90s or off my list, so an oversight on my part.
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Well, today's a big swing and a miss for me :lol
Sleeping Giant- Not rated. A very meh song on a meh album.
The Enemy Inside- Not rated, one of my least favorite singles they've put out.
Surrender to Reason- Not rated, feels like this one probably should have snuck in to one of the last spots on my list though. Potential oversight on my part.
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I do follow one saying Sleeping Giant is a tough song, because it's the hardest pearl to digest from latest album. But I'll promise it's a pearl once you can open the shell, there 's so much in there to adore... it just takes a couple of listens.
My own 100:
094: S2n
093: Never Enough
088: Surrender to Reason
087: Forsaken
084: Constant Motion
078: Behind the Veil
077: Afterlife
068: The Enemy Inside
054: The Looking Glass
050: Wither
048: Transcending Time
041: Sleeping Giant
not rankend: #6 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium
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Sleeping Giant didn't even come close to ranking for me. I'm warming to the new album a bit (mainly the few individual songs I like), but this one just leaves me bored, flat and feels uninspired with no real melody for me. I just don't get it.
TEI came in at number 74. Great track, ripping metal, good start to the album. Probably could have been higher to be fair.
STR I had at number 29. This is easily IMO one of the bands most underrated and underappreciated songs. I'm a little surprised it came in top 30 but looking at my list, I don't think I'd move it.
Alessandro said it perfectly;
Everything I love about DT is perfectly balanced here and nothing is showed off
YES!
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
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94 Our New World
93 This is the Life
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88 Vacant
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82 Transcending Time
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78 Wither
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74 The Enemy Inside
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71 Forsaken
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67 S2N
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64 The Looking Glass
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58 Afterlife
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42 Never Enough
41
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29 Surrender to Reason
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20 Behind the Veil
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85. Sleeping Giant - I am surprised and so, so disappointed that this song has ranked this low I can't even begin to tell you. I love it so much, it ranked at 18 for me, the highest of the Mangini era. Also a bit surprised that I wasn't the highest ranker! A 10 minute song but when I listen to it, it doesn't feel anywhere close to that length because of the ride it takes you on. That first guitar riff is so simple, especially for DT, but the fact that it's in 3/4, a not-so-common in rock but still easy to groove to time signature makes it sound fresh and exciting. It also has one of, if not the best choruses of the Mangini era, but rather than simply repeat it twice they completely change the time-feel and key for the second one, and oh my god it works so well, before bringing it home for the ending. I just love the way this song develops - each section flows into the next one so well and there are simply no weak parts. I really can't say enough good things about it. The next song, on the other hand...
84. The Enemy Inside ...I am actually offended that a sufficient number of people rank this higher than Sleeping Giant! I never really liked this one. The riffing is fast, technical and energetic but somehow not particularly innovative or interesting. The vocal melodies are underwhelming. Lyrically, it deals with a subject matter which was already covered to much greater effect in War Inside My Head. The song overall is just too much in-my-face, although this may be consequence of the poor mastering of the album as a whole. Did not make my list.
I was always surprised that this song was picked as the lead single for DT12, I actually think something like The Looking Glass or Surrender to Reason would have been much better representations of the album as a whole. Speaking of which...
83. Surrender To Reason - I really like this one, but surprisingly it missed my top 100 by a few spots, which I suppose just emphasises how much all the songs that are in the top 100 mean to me. It starts off well enough, but it reaches a whole new level the moment that first verse starts with the acoustic guitar and the vocal, and then there's that chorus... just wow. Love the solo section with the "rock trio" vibe it brings, and of course the suitably epic ending with the "restless angels" lyric... very nice.
I must say the way this is unfolding is very interesting. Looking forward to seeing what tomorrow brings, it would seem its anyone's guess!
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Sleeping Giant NR
The Enemy #33
Surrender #90
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85. Sleeping Giant - 43. - This was the easiest song for me to get into on the View and has remained a favorite. I am still kind of surprised the audience didn't sing
along on the.... Waa oh ah oh....at the shows. The songs on the View are meaty (save TT) and I like that it took a while to digest them.
This gives them staying power.
84. The Enemy Inside - Not in the top 100. I have never liked this song. I listened to this album 3 times before I did the ranking, as I felt I hadn't given some of
the songs enough attention. It didn't help this song, but I Really enjoyed the songs starting at #4.
83. Surrender To Reason - 65 I like it more and more. Isn't it great that a 65th ranked song by a band is still in the category of.. "I love this song".
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Sleeping Giant - I ranked this at 67 and pretty surprised it ended this high on my own ranking list! I rarely revisit this album.
The Enemy Inside - as mention by TAC above somewhere this track has aged well. A really good fast metal rocker, the type of song DT does really well. I only ranked this at 80 but could have been higher.
Surrender to Reason - number 85 for me so very close to consensus..
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Time to play catch up:
This is the Life - 87
Very enjoyable ballad. I love the song whenever I listen to it, but I don’t reach for it often.
New Millennium - 29
I FREAKING LOVE THIS SONG. The hate this song gets is absolutely criminal, and there’s no way it deserves to be this low. I just don’t get the hate. The lyrics are not any worse than half of all the other DT songs. And the instrumental section is one of the best instrumental breaks they’ve ever done. This song absolutely smokes!
Constant Motion - DNR
People criticize New Millennium for the lyrics and then let this dreck slide? “Forevermore…into the night…blistering”? Really??? I think I wrote that on my Pee-Chee when I was in middle school! Ok riff, but otherwise forgettable song from a forgettable album.
Sleeping Giant - DNR
I’m with Wolf on this one. I like most stuff from View, but this manages to be decent but doesn’t really leave you with anything memorable.
The Enemy Inside - 74
This is a great opening to the best MM album. I should have ranked this higher.
Surrender to Reason - 64
More reasons to love the self titled. Isn’t this the one JM did the lyrics for? I remember that I was disappointed at first and initially thought it was the least best of a really great album, but this was a grower. This song in particular spiked quite a bit during my revisit while compiling this list.
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This is the Life- Hmmm, I thought I had placed this somewhere in the '90s but it looks like it barely missed the cut. I was probably just hesitant about having 8 ADTOE songs, as much as I like the album.
New Millennium- 41
Wow, really surprised by all the negativity towards this song. My ranking is probably a bit too generous but I find it to be fun and interesting. I remember being really mystified the first time I heard it because it sounded nothing like Awake or Images and Words, but it grew on me quickly, especially that awesome instrumental section.
Constant Motion- 89
This was the first Dream Theater single I remember being disappointed with at first. I still think the chorus is really weak, but the rest of the song rocks.
Sleeping Giant- 78
My only inclusion from the new album. It does a fantastic job in cheering the listener up after the very boring "Invisible Monster"
The Enemy Inside- 94
It's fairly intense but nothing special
Surrender to Reason- 57
Yeah this one deserved to be higher. It was already a wonderful song, but then the "restless angels" part at the end takes it to a whole other level. This is one of DT's best choruses in my opinion.
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Time to play catch up:
New Millennium - 29
I FREAKING LOVE THIS SONG. The hate this song gets is absolutely criminal, and there’s no way it deserves to be this low. I just don’t get the hate. The lyrics are not any worse than half of all the other DT songs. And the instrumental section is one of the best instrumental breaks they’ve ever done. This song absolutely smokes!
:tup
New Millennium- 41
Wow, really surprised by all the negativity towards this song. My ranking is probably a bit too generous but I find it to be fun and interesting. I remember being really mystified the first time I heard it because it sounded nothing like Awake or Images and Words, but it grew on me quickly, especially that awesome instrumental section.
:tup
Been jamming out to New Millennium all night. This is one of my favorite DT instrumental sections for sure. It's unfortunate you have to tread through the verses to get to it.
I don't even really hate the verses that much. But the instrumental section more than makes up for any issues I have with them.
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88. This is the Life (29). One of their best ballads for me, I find this engaging all of the way through. It never really feels like a ballad, and I mean that in a good way. There's no feeling of being ready for the next song, I just want to enjoy this one.
87. New Millennium (87). Maybe a bit too long, but it has a unique sound to it. Gotta love that Chapman Stick solo.
86. Constant Motion (Unranked). Unfortunately, this just doesn't work for me. The "obsessive yearning" bridge is interesting, but it ends quickly.
85. Sleeping Giant (54). This took a few listens, but now I quite like it. My favourite part is in the last couple minutes where the choir transitions to the final chorus. That entire instrumental section is great though.
84. The Enemy Inside (68). One of the most energetic songs from the self-titled, the instrumental sections help make it more memorable.
83. Surrender to Reason (78). Pretty solid track, I like both the chorus and the guitar melody immediately following it.
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I wonder if at the end we'll get some additional stats for the songs that didn't make it. There has to be quite some songs that didn't make the cut but are in several top 50 lists, right? :D
I guarantee you my #3 song didn't make the top 100. Probably wouldn't even make the top 125 if the list had been extended. :omg:
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I missed that Surrender To Reason and The Enemy Inside were actually tied, I made that change in yesterdays update.
82. Only A Matter Of Time
Highest Finish: 5 (Dream Team)
Number of Lists appeared on: 39 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, TAC, The Realm, Trav86, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
The best song of WDADU. Immediately liked it and still like it.
81. Awaken The Master
Highest Finish: 12 (Metro)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42 (Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jonny108, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, Peter Mc, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof)
Kind of a middle of the pack song for me. I don't dislike it, I don't love it, it's good.
80. I Walk Beside You
Highest Finish: 19 (OpenYourEyes311)
Number of Lists appeared on: 47 (Adami, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, Trav86, twosuitsluke, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I really liked I Walk Beside you when it first came out but over the years I grew to dislike the song. Didn't make my list.
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I can confidently say that I Walk Beside You was nowhere near my top 100, much less #12 :lol
Or did I make a mistake on my list?
82. Only A Matter Of Time
Highest Finish: 5 (Dream Team)
Number of Lists appeared on: 39
81. Awaken The Master
Highest Finish: 12 (Metro)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42
80. I Walk Beside You
Highest Finish: 12 (Vmadera00)
Number of Lists appeared on: 47
OAMOT: NR. It's actually a good song, and on a good day, would make my top 100.
ATM: #43. Really like the chorus and structure of this song. I wish JP would've explored the 8th string a little more but it had a good used for it.
IWBY: NR. Yeah, while a nice song, I never connected with it. If it plays I don't skip it though.
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82. Only A Matter Of Time
A nice album closer to the debut, I gained a new appreciation for it after watching the Budokan DVD. Somehow it only ranked #86 for me.
81. Awaken The Master
Meh. Did not rank.
80. I Walk Beside You
I really like this one, an uplifting song both in the music and the message/lyrics. I don't understand the hate for it. I had it at an impressive #29.
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I can confidently say that I Walk Beside You was nowhere near my top 100, much less #12 :lol
Or did I make a mistake on my list?
:rollin :rollin
Only A Matter of Time ... 65. Good closing track. And probably the only one from WDADU where I prefer Charlie's singing to James'. It the vocal melodies and pace don't stand up very well in a live setting.
Awaken the Master ... NR
80. I Walk Beside You
I really like this one, an uplifting song both in the music and the message/lyrics. I don't understand the hate for it. I had it at an impressive #29.
I'm right there with you... 32. This was always one of my favorite tunes from 8vm. Sure, the U2 love is painfully obvious, and the religiousness of the lyrics can turn some off, but on the whole, I think this is a very good song that would've had immense commercial appeal in some alternate universe.
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I can confidently say that I Walk Beside You was nowhere near my top 100, much less #12 :lol
Or did I make a mistake on my list?
82. Only A Matter Of Time
Highest Finish: 5 (Dream Team)
Number of Lists appeared on: 39
81. Awaken The Master
Highest Finish: 12 (Metro)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42
80. I Walk Beside You
Highest Finish: 12 (Vmadera00)
Number of Lists appeared on: 47
OAMOT: NR. It's actually a good song, and on a good day, would make my top 100.
ATM: #43. Really like the chorus and structure of this song. I wish JP would've explored the 8th string a little more but it had a good used for it.
IWBY: NR. Yeah, while a nice song, I never connected with it. If it plays I don't skip it though.
You didn't, I fixed it. :lol
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Only a Matter of Time is the only song here that’s even remotely good. Awaken the Master is “look at me, I can play an 8 string” and I Walk Beside is “what if we were U2”
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Only a matter of time was my #44. Looking back on my list, it was my second highest ranked song from the debut. It's fantastically constructed and epic. :tup
Awaken the master was my #99. There are so many amazing bits throughout this song, but as a whole, it isn't necessarily great. Something about it is missing.
I walk beside you was my #73. The band actually pulled off that 00s pop rock sound well. It's like a crossover between Keane and Coldplay of sorts. Not what I usually want to hear from the guys, but hey, they did nail it.
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Wow, I liked all 3 of these more than the consensus list.
82 Only A Matter Of Time - I had this ranked at # 59. I love the music to this one, but the lyrics bring it down. The lyrical concepts are fine, but the way the lyrics are written, they jam 8 lines worth of lyrics into the space for about 2 lines of lyrics, making it almost impossible to sing. Just terrible. But again, the music is fantastic.
81 Awaken The Master - I like this one quite a bit, ranking it at # 38. This song has badass riffage, and great melodic qualities as well. It doesn't stretch out for too long. Just no real weaknesses. One of my favorites from AVFTTOTW.
80 I Walk Beside You - I have this one at # 53. Good little song, with good lyrics. I guess it's not cool enough for some people, but I like it a lot. Fun fact: my band at the time (I was playing drums) performed this song live before Dream Theater did.
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I didn't have time to make a list, but if I had, my top 20 would've been upside down from the masses anyway.
Case in point: "I Walk Beside You" is a top-10 DT song, and on some days, top-5.
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Three strikes for me, one because I didn't bother correcting much the Ranker near the bottom, and I'm sorry (Only a Matter of Time), one because it bores me (Awaken the Master), one because it symbolises everything I don't like in the only DT album I really don't like (I Walk Beside You).
The Score so far:
21 - A New Beginning
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
68 - Our New World
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
Not Rated: Never Enough, Wither, Afterlife, Forsaken, S2N, Transcending Time, New Millennium, Constant Motion, Sleeping Giant, The Enemy Inside, Only a Matter if Time, Awaken the Master, I Walk Beside You
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5 Only a Matter of Time
24 This is the Life
26 A New Beginning
31 Afterlife
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
51 Our New World
54 Wither
57 Surrender to Reason
61 I Walk Beside You
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
68 Sleeping Giant
76 Transcending Time
81 The Gift of Music
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time
Catching up! I missed S2N last round, I really like the way they keep teasing the chorus until it finally hits in full at the end. Love the bass groove and the way JP's solo starts.
Hef, I know you don't like WDADU much so I appreciate your write-up. The pace of the verses is the only letdown; it's Moore's most beautifully melodic song, just tons of great melodies everyone and then they top it off with that awesome crescendo. it's so disappointing that more people won't give this song the attention it deserves. I figured I would be the highest ranker.
All the others also rated: The Enemy Inside is one of their best metal tracks and I very much enjoy Surrender to Reason. The concise song-writing on the self-titled is a big plus for it.
I Walk Beside You: for our anniversary last year, our oldest daughter gave us a framed rendition of the lyrics in the shape of a heart :tup.
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Hef, I know you don't like WDADU much so I appreciate your write-up. The pace of the verses is the only letdown; it's Moore's most beautifully melodic song, just tons of great melodies everyone and then they top it off with that awesome crescendo. it's so disappointing that more people won't give this song the attention it deserves. I figured I would be the highest ranker.
:tup
I Walk Beside You: for our anniversary last year, our oldest daughter gave us a framed rendition of the lyrics in the shape of a heart :tup.
Wow, that's cool!
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Only A Matter of Time is still probably my favorite song from WDADU. It’s wordy but I’ve always liked the overall execution. Great song.
I Walk Beside You is also really strong tune. The only thing I really like from 8V. I like when DT is more like U2 and less like a crazy prog metal circus.
Don’t know the other song.
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Only a Matter is cool, but it still sounds the band maturing their songwriting, even more than a lot of the other songs on WDADU IMO.
I really like a lot Walk Beside You (my #78), it's a DT pop song very well done.
Awaken the Master (my #37) is like a really great re-take of something like The Dark Eternal Night or from Train of Thought, love it!!
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I missed that Surrender To Reason and The Enemy Inside were actually tied, I made that change in yesterdays update.
Common, next time, you'll be telling us that Raw Dog won this countdown but you missed it... :D
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I Walk Beside You is also really strong tune. The only thing I really like from 8V.
Excuse me?
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Only A Matter Of Time - 36
Awaken The Master - none
I Walk Beside You - 83
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I missed that Surrender To Reason and The Enemy Inside were actually tied, I made that change in yesterdays update.
Common, next time, you'll be telling us that Raw Dog won this countdown but you missed it... :D
Probably not
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I Walk Beside You is also really strong tune. The only thing I really like from 8V.
Excuse me?
You questioning a hot take, is like King correcting someone's spelling.
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I Walk Beside You is also really strong tune. The only thing I really like from 8V.
Excuse me?
You questioning a hot take, is like King correcting someone's spelling.
lol
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Only a Matter of Time (39) - One of my immediate favorites from WDADU.
Awaken the Master (72) - I liked this one a lot when AVFTTOTV came out. It has lost a bit of its appeal by now, but still a very solid song.
I Walk Beside You (NR) This songs is a sonic equivalent of Budweiser beer. It does the job of filling the ears with something that is not terribly offensive. But it is nothing to write home about. Deadeye said it well - "what if we were U2?" DT overdid it with this approach on 8VM and it just feels fake.
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I Walk Beside You is also really strong tune. The only thing I really like from 8V.
Excuse me?
You questioning a hot take, is like King correcting someone's spelling.
Ecscusse ma?
This is not a hot take, it's certifiable insanity.
Anyway, on to today and only one out of the three.
Only a Matter of Time missed out by landing at #112. In fact, I think I only have one song from the debut in my top 100. It's not a bad song but I was never really able to get past the original singer. instrumentally it's OK, except the drums sound pretty dodgy at times. I like the instrumental break that starts just before the third minute, but it's generally a hard pass for me.
Awaken the Master wasn't much further behind at #121. In hindsight this probably should've ranked higher than OaMoT, but I think it's just that I'm less familiar with it. It still wouldn't have made my top 100, but listening again now it is definitely one of the better songs from View. It's has some nice groovy, heavy bits, and groovy isn't often a word you can use to describe the band.
I Walk Beside ranked fairly high, being from one of my fave DT records (I have noticed a pattern in this, in that my favourite DT songs kinda all come from my highest ranked albums). I mean that if I really like a DT album, then I REALLY like all the songs on said album. There aren't many songs that I like as one offs on a lower ranking album. There are of course a few exceptions.
My ranking so far:
13. Wither
20. Never Enough
29. Constant Motion
30. A New Beginning
35. The Enemy Inside
36. I Walk Beside You
45. The Looking Glass
49. Forsaken
55. Behind the Veil
62. Surrender to Reason
83. This is the Life
86. Our New World
100. New Millennium
Not ranked:
109. Vacant
112. Only a Matter of Time
113. Afterlife
119. Sleeping Giant
121. Awaken the Master
123. Transcending Time
125. S2N
140. The Gift of Music
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Only A Matter of Time is still probably my favorite song from WDADU. It’s wordy but I’ve always liked the overall execution. Great song.
I Walk Beside You is also really strong tune. The only thing I really like from 8V. I like when DT is more like U2 and less like a crazy prog metal circus.
Don’t know the other song.
I'm just the opposite, I prefer it when they sound like themselves instead of some other band. Doubt they'd have many fans left if they'd become U3.
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Constant Motion - DNR
People criticize New Millennium for the lyrics and then let this dreck slide? “Forevermore…into the night…blistering”? Really??? I think I wrote that on my Pee-Chee when I was in middle school! Ok riff, but otherwise forgettable song from a forgettable album.
:rollin I love your habit of taking something that is pretty awesome, and just quoting it with no explanation and saying something like, "Really???" As if that somehow makes a case for it somehow NOT being pretty awesome. :lol You silly man.
As for today's songs, again, I'm at the office and don't have my list here with me, but:
82. Only A Matter Of Time - This one did fairly well for me. By the TOT album cycle, I still was not into WDADU at all. But live renditions on L@B and WDADRU helped me become familiar with and appreciate this song. The vocal phrasing is a mess because KM crammed way too many words into way too little space, as was his habit. But still a pretty good song. I think it is my second favorite from WDADU, behind...well, I can't say since it has not yet been revealed in the rankings.
81. Awaken The Master - Somewhere high in the bottom quartile, as I recall. It's a good song, and seeing it live helped me appreciate it. But while some went ape over the appearance of the JP8 on this song, the riffing often just sounds like a muddy mess to me. Still a lot of good things going on that makes it a fun listen, but I don't love it as much as many do. This ranking feels about right to me.
80. I Walk Beside You - Can't remember whether this missed my list or made it and ended up somewhere in the '90s, but you get the picture. It's not a bad song. In fact, we played...let's call it "a version of it" in my covers band back before the band even got a chance to on the 8VM tour, and have talked even recently about bringing it back. But it's one that doesn't have a lot to grab me and make me want to listen again anymore.
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I Walk Beside You is also really strong tune. The only thing I really like from 8V.
Excuse me?
I really didn’t/don’t like Octavarium. It kind of ended my love affair with the band (though in retrospect it was just the last in a series of albums with diminishing returns for me).
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Sump pumps- East Coast thing
Pee Chees- West Coast thing.
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82. Only A Matter Of Time
81. Awaken The Master
80. I Walk Beside You
I thought I might be the high ranker for OAMOT at #17. I have loved this song since the first time I heard it at my first DT show in November 1992. My friends and I hadn't heard WDADU before the show, so it was completely new. We referred to it as "the pirate song" because we thought the keyboard intro had a pirate-y feel to it. My #2 WDADU song. OAMOT ranked at #75 in the prior countdown, so this is a slight drop.
Awaken the Master didn't rank. Ditto my comments about Sleeping Giant.
I Walk Beside You just snuck in at #99. It's an ok song, but this is one of those places where the grand concept of Octavarium interfered with the song quality. Even on the album, the chorus sounds strained. I might like it better if they'd written it in G or A instead of B. IWBY ranked at #93 in the prior countdown, so this is a decent jump for the song.
List Not Ranked
100 Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81)
99 I Walk Beside You (80)
98
97 This Is the Life (88)
96
95
94
93
92
91
90
89
88
87
86
85
84 Forsaken (95)
83
82
81
80
79 Vacant (97)
78
77
76
75
74
73
72
71
70
69
68
67
66
65 Transcending Time (90)
64
63
62
61
60
59 Afterlife (96)
58
57 Surrender to Reason (83)
56
55
54
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45
44
43
42
41
40
39 The Enemy Inside (84)
38
37
36
35
34
33
32
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30
29
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26
25
24
23
22
21
20
19
18 Constant Motion (86)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
16
15
14
13
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
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Only a Matter of Time did not rank for me. With a better singer and production it might have stood a chance. Only one from WDADU ranked and it's not this one...
Awaken the Master is my highest ranked from AWFTTOTW. Don't know why I love it so much... the riffs, the piano, the solo, the chorus. Lot's of great bits to this little gem...
I Walk Beside You did not rank. Had I listened and not ranked from memory it might have snuck in at the bottom?
My ranking so far
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
37 Our New World (93)
59 Transcending Time (90)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80)
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Sump pumps- East Coast thing
Pee Chees- West Coast thing.
Wrong thread?
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Constant Motion - DNR
People criticize New Millennium for the lyrics and then let this dreck slide? “Forevermore…into the night…blistering”? Really??? I think I wrote that on my Pee-Chee when I was in middle school! Ok riff, but otherwise forgettable song from a forgettable album.
:rollin I love your habit of taking something that is pretty awesome, and just quoting it with no explanation and saying something like, "Really???" As if that somehow makes a case for it somehow NOT being pretty awesome. :lol You silly man.
:lol
By the way, I don't think lyrics are the problem with New Millennium (although the "tide is turning baby" line is laughable). It's musically obnoxious and disjointed. The intro sounds cool at the start, but it just kind of meanders and never goes anywhere. Same with the stick part. I'm listening now, and by the 90 second mark, I really want the song to be over, although at least they've found a rhythm. The singing starts, and I'm starting to wonder...is this really the same band that released songs like Metropolis and Scarred? Three minutes in, and it sounds like they're trying to be way too grungy. One side comment - when I got this album, I wasn't aware of James's food poisoning issue, which I'm sure affected a lot of the vocals on FII. Just shy of the three minute mark...what the heck is this spoken word stuff? Nothing melodically memorable and we're 4 1/2 minutes in. Five minutes in and...ugh...over three minutes to go. Kind of a cool little riff, but now we're back to this directionless stick part with some weird key patches and jazz guitar. The cool riff comes in again, but everything else being played with it is just...IDK...it does nothing for me. Only a minute to go, mercifully. Now a groove section? Come on, wrap it up. Ok...last chorus. Pretty weak way to end the song. Oh...finally...just let me breathe! Wait...never mind....
Also, Pee-Chees were rad!
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Only a matter of time - my #54, loved this one since spin 1 of WDADU
awaken the master - my #65
I walk beside you - not rated
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81. Awaken The Master - Somewhere high in the bottom quartile, as I recall. It's a good song, and seeing it live helped me appreciate it. But while some went ape over the appearance of the JP8 on this song, the riffing often just sounds like a muddy mess to me. Still a lot of good things going on that makes it a fun listen, but I don't love it as much as many do. This ranking feels about right to me.
Revisiting this a few minutes after listening to the song, and I have to add this: Whenever I think of the song when I'm not listening to it, I think of the intro with the really muddy 8-string riffing, and I tend to base my rankings off of that. But later into the song when it really gets going, it is a really, really great song, and I tend to forget that. So what I'm saying is, I think my ranking of this one is actually really off base from where I should rank it.
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So what I'm saying is, I think my ranking of this one is actually really off base from where I should rank it.
Yea, this is how I feel about Awaken the Master too.
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Constant Motion - DNR
People criticize New Millennium for the lyrics and then let this dreck slide? “Forevermore…into the night…blistering”? Really??? I think I wrote that on my Pee-Chee when I was in middle school! Ok riff, but otherwise forgettable song from a forgettable album.
:rollin I love your habit of taking something that is pretty awesome, and just quoting it with no explanation and saying something like, "Really???" As if that somehow makes a case for it somehow NOT being pretty awesome. :lol You silly man.
:lol
By the way, I don't think lyrics are the problem with New Millennium (although the "tide is turning baby" line is laughable). It's musically obnoxious and disjointed. The intro sounds cool at the start, but it just kind of meanders and never goes anywhere. Same with the stick part. I'm listening now, and by the 90 second mark, I really want the song to be over, although at least they've found a rhythm. The singing starts, and I'm starting to wonder...is this really the same band that released songs like Metropolis and Scarred? Three minutes in, and it sounds like they're trying to be way too grungy. One side comment - when I got this album, I wasn't aware of James's food poisoning issue, which I'm sure affected a lot of the vocals on FII. Just shy of the three minute mark...what the heck is this spoken word stuff? Nothing melodically memorable and we're 4 1/2 minutes in. Five minutes in and...ugh...over three minutes to go. Kind of a cool little riff, but now we're back to this directionless stick part with some weird key patches and jazz guitar. The cool riff comes in again, but everything else being played with it is just...IDK...it does nothing for me. Only a minute to go, mercifully. Now a groove section? Come on, wrap it up. Ok...last chorus. Pretty weak way to end the song. Oh...finally...just let me breathe! Wait...never mind....
Also, Pee-Chees were rad!
I think the parts where the band are just grooving are awesome. The intro/chorus and instrumental section in particular. The problem with the verses is they bring the song to a dead stop and kill the momentum. The second verse especially really just saps the momentum from the song.
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Constant Motion - DNR
People criticize New Millennium for the lyrics and then let this dreck slide? “Forevermore…into the night…blistering”? Really??? I think I wrote that on my Pee-Chee when I was in middle school! Ok riff, but otherwise forgettable song from a forgettable album.
:rollin I love your habit of taking something that is pretty awesome, and just quoting it with no explanation and saying something like, "Really???" As if that somehow makes a case for it somehow NOT being pretty awesome. :lol You silly man.
It’s just that I DID write things just like that when I was 12-14 years old and I thought they were SO AWESOME, and now when I look back it just looks like absolute juvenile dreck, and I start to understand why James Hetfield notoriously hates the lyrics for Whiplash. It just strikes that same chord with me. And if it were on their first album or the Majesty demos it would be totally understandable. But it was their 9th album, so it hit a bit different.
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You're right, those lyrics are terrible.
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Only a Matter of Time - not ranked - I don't have much of WDADU on my list to be honest.
Awaken the Master - not ranked - this song is one of the reasons I don't want to revisit AVFTTOTW at all. This and Invisible Monster are the ones I just want to skip.
I Walk Beside You - #73 - I don't mind this song, even though it's my least favourite from 8VM. Well, I really like the album.
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Only a Matter of Time was my 53. Great song and an excellent closure to the debut album.
Awaken the Master did not make my cut. Generic metal song.
I Walk Beside You.... I'm glad that it made the cut to begin with, also I'm not even the highest ranker, I thought I could be with my 48th placement! lovely little song, yeah it's too much U2 but who cares, it's short, uplifting and catchy, I always loved this song.
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82. Only A Matter Of Time - love this one, glad it made the list. It ended up quite a bit higher for me though, 36!
81. Awaken The Master - another one I really like, 61. Love the absurdly heavy tone of the 8 string and that main riff. I also really like the second verse, the quieter one with the cool bass groove.
80. I Walk Beside You - um, not sure what this song is doing here. It's one of the most un-DT-like songs they've ever written. I mean it's perfectly pleasant to listen to but nothing to get excited about.
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100. Never Enough (17th) I don't get how this is at 100. This song has many cool parts, especially the instrumental break.
99. Wither (66th) Solid song, when it hits, it's great but it doesn't always warrant a listen.
98. The Gift Of Music (92nd) It's alright. Past entry 82 on my list is stuff that just had to be ranked.
97. Vacant (70th) This song is so awesome on its own and how it leads into SoC
96. Afterlife (98th) See: The Gift of Music
95. Forsaken (87th) It's alright, live is good.
94. S2N (NR) Honestly just not familiar enough with this song yet.
93. Our New World (NR) See: S2N
92. The Looking Glass (54th) This is one of the better tracks off of DT12. Great chorus, surprised it is this low.
91. A New Beginning (NR) Couldn't tell you what album it's from.
90. Transcending Time I really don't like DT12 View at this time, with about 5 listens since returning to the forum last year. But this song stuck out and was good enough to make the list.
89. Behind The Veil (NR) See: A New Beginning
88. This Is The Life (33rd) This song is very underrated. It has a huge atmosphere to it and a great buildup to that final chorus.
87. New Millennium (NR) Not much of a fan of FII, and this song was always skippable to me.
86. Constant Motion (35th) Sometimes you need a straightforward song, DT does it great here, and the instrumental section with the bass and piano is cool as hell.
85. Sleeping Giant (NR)
84. The Enemy Inside (36th) Great, straightforward song, and ranks right next to Constant Motion.
83. Surrender To Reason (64th) This was a mistake to place it at 64th, but by the time I was ranking stuff, I didn't care past a certain point. Relistening now and it's alright, should actually be in the 90s or off my list, so an oversight on my part.
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82. Only A Matter Of Time (97th) Not bad, something had to be here.
81. Awaken The Master (NR)
80. I Walk Beside You (43rd) What a great song, when DT does more uplifting/major key stuff, it's really great, usually. Feels very underrated to me. This song has layers to it musically, stuff that feels more subtle than usual. Also fun to play on the bass.
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Only a Matter of Time - my rank 89. A good song but this is the lowest of my ranked When Dream and Day Unite songs.
Awaken the Master - my rank 94. Just got this one in, a good song but I don't return to it.
I Walk Beside You - a bit shocked this one made the cut. Unranked for me.
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I start to understand why James Hetfield notoriously hates the lyrics for Whiplash.
Why do I get the feeling that '80s James Hetfield would think 21st century James Hetfield is a real d-bag?
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I start to understand why James Hetfield notoriously hates the lyrics for Whiplash.
Why do I get the feeling that '80s James Hetfield would think 21st century James Hetfield is a real d-bag?
:lol
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I start to understand why James Hetfield notoriously hates the lyrics for Whiplash.
Why do I get the feeling that '80s James Hetfield would think 21st century James Hetfield is a real d-bag?
:rollin :rollin
Well, to be fair, 80s me would think now me was a D-bag. But the twist is that 80s me was a stupid twat. :rollin :rollin
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I ranked OAMOT at 89. One of the better songs for me on the debut.
ATM did not rank. The first minute is cool but like Sleeping Giant, this is another one I simply don't understand the love for. I find it boring and unmemorable.
IWBY came in at number 32. Love this song. Always thought it was a perfect representation of the style. Loved it from the start and still do.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 Awaken the Master
95
94 Our New World
93 This is the Life
92
91
90
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86
85
84
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79
78 Wither
77
76
75
74 The Enemy Inside
73
72
71 Forsaken
70
69
68
67 S2N
66
65
64 The Looking Glass
63
62
61
60
59
58 Afterlife
57
56
55
54
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46
45
44
43
42 Never Enough
41
40
39
38
37
36
35
34
33
32 I Walk Beside You
31
30
29 Surrender to Reason
28
27
26
25
24
23
22
21
20 Behind the Veil
19
18
17
16
15
14
13
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
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82. Only A Matter Of Time
Highest Finish: 5 (Dream Team)
Number of Lists appeared on: 39 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, TAC, The Realm, Trav86, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
81. Awaken The Master
Highest Finish: 12 (Metro)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42 (Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jonny108, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, Peter Mc, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof)
80. I Walk Beside You
Highest Finish: 19 (OpenYourEyes311)
Number of Lists appeared on: 47 (Adami, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, Trav86, twosuitsluke, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had Only A Matter Of Time at #26.
I think this is a great song. It stood out to me on those early I&W shows.
I had Awaken The Master at #80.
I like it well enough. 80 seems a bit high I think but that's what the ranker spit out.
I had I Walk Beside You at #61.
I didn't appreciate this song at first, but that all changed when I saw them play it live in 2006. So much energy.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 Transcending Time
95 Behind The Veil
94 New Milenium
93 Constant Motion
92
91
90 Forsaken
89
88
87
86
85
84
83
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79
78
77
76 S2N
75
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72
71
70
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65
64
63
62
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58
57
56
55
54
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46
45
44
43
42
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39
38
37
36
35 The Gift Of Music
34
33
32
31
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25
24
23
22
21
20
19
18
17
16
15
14
13
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
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Only A Matter of Time- Not rated. I really have a hard time getting into most of the material from WDaDU. I probably should give this one another shot though.
Awaken the Master- I had this a bit higher, up at #54. We'd been waiting for JP to get his hands on an 8 string for years and his first outing with one did not disappoint. Chunky riffs and some good vocal melodies from JLB make this my favorite from View.
I Walk Beside You- I'm pretty close to the consensus on this one, it was #88 on my list. A little bit sappy/cheesy, but a fun change of pace from DT.
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80. I Walk Beside You
I'm right there with you... 32. This was always one of my favorite tunes from 8vm. Sure, the U2 love is painfully obvious, and the religiousness of the lyrics can turn some off, but on the whole, I think this is a very good song that would've had immense commercial appeal in some alternate universe.
IWBY came in at number 32. Love this song. Always thought it was a perfect representation of the style. Loved it from the start and still do.
:hifive:
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80. I Walk Beside You
I'm right there with you... 32. This was always one of my favorite tunes from 8vm. Sure, the U2 love is painfully obvious, and the religiousness of the lyrics can turn some off, but on the whole, I think this is a very good song that would've had immense commercial appeal in some alternate universe.
IWBY came in at number 32. Love this song. Always thought it was a perfect representation of the style. Loved it from the start and still do.
:hifive:
Nice, missed that! :metal
I have actually never thought of the lyrics in a religious context. From the start I always thought it was just about it in the sense of trying to help your partner/spouse or even close friend through a tough time. Maybe that's just the way I interpreted it at the time. It has some nostalgia for me in that sense.
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The lyrics always, always, always remind me of the Footprints in the Sand poem.
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The lyrics always, always, always remind me of the Footprints in the Sand poem.
I have no idea what that is, I'll have to google it later.
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The lyrics always, always, always remind me of the Footprints in the Sand poem.
I have no idea what that is, I'll have to google it later.
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No surprise I don't know that.
On the other hand, Footsteps in the Sand by LORD is a killer song! :metal
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82. Only A Matter Of Time
81. Awaken The Master
80. I Walk Beside You
OAMOT made it to 60 in mine. What a lovely, fun track. Love the Fish-style wordy lyrics too.
AtM did not rank for me. It's a nice track, but I haven't been called back to it that often.
IWBY made it to 25. One of my favorite 8vm cuts.
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90. Transcending Time 37
89. Behind The Veil 71
88. This Is The Life 82 Not a bad song, but the only weak spot on ADToE.
87. New Millennium NR A definite "What the heck is this?" moment upon my first listen. "What happened to the band that released I&W and Awake?" This song never better with time.
86. Constant Motion NR Bottom of the barrel song. Nothing redeeming here.
85. Sleeping Giant 61
83t. The Enemy Inside 76
83t. Surrender To Reason 67
82. Only A Matter Of Time NR First heard this on the Budokan DVD. Thought it was good, though not an upper level song. Time has been good to it, and while I never prefer any WDaDU version over a performance with James, this one might be the closest.
81. Awaken The Master 63
80. I Walk Beside You NR
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Where I stand so far:
100. Never Enough - UR - Don't care for it.
99. Wither - 65 - My enjoyment of this song increased quite a bit when I learned it is about writer's block, something I've often had to deal with in my career. It seems to capture that feeling when you're stuck or have lost your muse and are trying to get going again.
98. The Gift of Music - 53 - This song got me really excited for TA when it came out. Too bad the rest of the album mostly didn't live up to it.
97. Vacant - 100 - This one is ok..., it is pretty interchangeable with several other songs on my list/just barely off of it.
96. Afterlife - UR
95. Forsaken - 27 - When I started lurking at DTF, I was surprised to see several people don't care for this song. I've always enjoyed it as a relatively straightforward rocker.
94. S2N - UR - The intro is cool, but the rest of it doesn't do much for me.
93. Our New World - 89
92. The Looking Glass - 99
91. A New Beginning - UR
90. Transcending Time - UR
89. Behind The Veil - 91
88. This Is The Life - UR
87. New Millennium - UR
86. Constant Motion - 50 - This song would have been UR 5 years ago, but I now really enjoy it. It'll never be one of DT's crown jewel songs, but I find it solid.
85. Sleeping Giant - UR
83t. The Enemy Inside - 64 - Decent rocker.
83t. Surrender To Reason - 58 - Has remained a favorite from S/T since it was released. I thought it would be a bit higher on the group's list, but that may be because it is often discussed as one never played live.
82. Only A Matter Of Time - 81 - This one would be in my top 50 if the studio version was sung by JLB. I suspect WDADU would have done better on my list if that was the case.
81. Awaken The Master - UR
80. I Walk Beside You - 98
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82. Only a Matter of Time (91). Keyboard sections from KM are the highlight here.
81. Awaken the Master (14). While the title track may eventually surpass it, this is currently my favourite track from View. Nice and heavy, but not compromising anything such as the vocals. The piano adds a nice texture to the riffs. Killer intro as well.
80. I Walk Beside You (84). Lightweight, but enjoyable. Very interesting contrast between the verses and chorus.
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Overall I am pretty much an average fan so to speak, when it comes to ranking songs. Although I adore The Astonishing, Black Clouds (all song include my list) and A View (all songs include my list) much more then a lot of you in here. Awaken the Master is my 2nd highest View-ranking and this song feels so Awake-influenced. Together with Answering the Call they stand out to me as metal-Dream Theater on latest album.
My own 100:
095: I Walk Beside You
094: S2n
093: Never Enough
089: Only a Matter of Time
088: Surrender to Reason
087: Forsaken
084: Constant Motion
078: Behind the Veil
077: Afterlife
068: The Enemy Inside
054: The Looking Glass
050: Wither
048: Transcending Time
041: Sleeping Giant
029: Awaken the Master
not rankend: #6 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium
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The lyrics always, always, always remind me of the Footprints in the Sand poem.
Which, as a christian, is a really beautiful thing to me.
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Only the two today.
Awaken The Master #77
I Walk Beside You #31
So yes count me in digging I Walk Beside You. I assumed I would've had this in my Top25 but there you go. The fact it was such a departure at the time was the very reason I loved it on first spin!
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I wonder when we'll eventually "lose hope" for some of the songs in our lists, but not on the overall ranking so far.
For example, at the bottom of my top 100 (90 and 98) I have two FII tracks that are generally regarded as being among the lesser ones. I can't imagine them being ranked from 79 upwards. Anything is possibile but I guess it's safe to say they didn't make the cut.
I also have at 93 one of the least favored songs with Mangini, again I can't imagine it topping at least 20 other songs if even I, who always tolerated and enjoyed the song, had it at 93.
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I've already made peace with the fact that some of the songs that I almost put in my top fifty won't make it in the overall top eighty. ;D
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The next update will be coming in later today, had to go to work early today!
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The more I see huge discrepancies in takes and rankings, the more I celebrate DT's catalogue.
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The next update will be coming in later today, had to go to work early today!
No worries dude, I'll just sit here hitting refresh until then.
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Although I adore The Astonishing
You sure about that?? :lol
not rankend: #6 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium
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Although I adore The Astonishing
You sure about that?? :lol
not rankend: #6 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium
Obviously has the NOMACS in their Top 10.
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The lyrics always, always, always remind me of the Footprints in the Sand poem.
Which, as a christian, is a really beautiful thing to me.
This is the second time the discussion in this thread compelled me to look up lyrics for the song I have heard many times but had no idea what it was about (the first was Behind the Veil). And both times, it made me like the song in question better than before. Which is surprising, considering the inconsistent quality of DT lyrics.
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Another testimony to the quality of DT output:
For countdowns, when I have a chance, I always re-listen to the songs that are revealed on any given day. And almost every single time, my first thought after the listening is "Yeah, I definitely should have ranked this one higher."
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Another testimony to the quality of DT output:
For countdowns, when I have a chance, I always re-listen to the songs that are revealed on any given day. And almost every single time, my first thought after the listening is "Yeah, I definitely should have ranked this one higher."
That's what I've been doing. I haven't often disagreed with my ranking, but I definitely did with Awaken the Master yesterday.
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Although I adore The Astonishing
You sure about that?? :lol
not rankend: #6 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium
:lol
The Astonishing is so much greater than the sum of its parts, to me. I only have two songs included, one at #98 and one on #75. And even that song is somehow uplifted by the ranking machine, but I do consider songs better (or even great, to say the least), that are lower on the list. Many of the songs on The Astonishing are either cut too soon or split in half, amongst the tracklist. But I do really love the story, the whole concept and many musical moments grab me each time I hear them.
But, although I really love The Astonishing, I still consider it in the low tier, if I should rank the albums. I love it, but Dream Theater has so many more songs to love (even more).
This is the second time the discussion in this thread compelled me to look up lyrics for the song I have heard many times but had no idea what it was about (the first was Behind the Veil). And both times, it made me like the song in question better than before. Which is surprising, considering the inconsistent quality of DT lyrics.
That's very nice to read.
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88. This Is The Life (#14) goosebump time from ‘our gift divine’ til the end
87. New Millennium (NR) there’s something, baby, that just kind of annoys me, baby…
86. Constant Motion (#32) I feel like I’m swirling and going ‘round and round during this, in a good way
85. Sleeping Giant (NR) there’s so many good parts of every ‘View’ song, but they don’t ‘grab’ me from start to finish
83t. The Enemy Inside (#44) good, concise, straight ahead rocker.
83t. Surrender To Reason (NR) so many different parts that it easily could have fit onto TA
82. Only A Matter Of Time (#88)
81. Awaken The Master (NR) see ‘Sleeping Giant’
80. I Walk Beside You (#24) love that ending chorus
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88. This Is The Life (#14) goosebump time from ‘our gift divine’ til the end
87. New Millennium (NR) there’s something, baby, that just kind of annoys me, baby…
86. Constant Motion (#32) I feel like I’m swirling and going ‘round and round during this, in a good way
85. Sleeping Giant (NR) there’s so many good parts of every ‘View’ song, but they don’t ‘grab’ me from start to finish
83t. The Enemy Inside (#44) good, concise, straight ahead rocker.
83t. Surrender To Reason (NR) so many different parts that it easily could have fit onto TA
82. Only A Matter Of Time (#88)
81. Awaken The Master (NR) see ‘Sleeping Giant’
80. I Walk Beside You (#24) love that ending chorus
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I had OATM somewhere in the low eighties and IWBY marks the halfway point for me. Quite a high ranking for that song for me, in fact, I don't remember it ever being that high!
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The next update will be coming in later today, had to go to work early today!
What is up with you people, putting your job ahead of more important things.
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I wonder when we'll eventually "lose hope" for some of the songs in our lists, but not on the overall ranking so far.
For example, at the bottom of my top 100 (90 and 98) I have two FII tracks that are generally regarded as being among the lesser ones. I can't imagine them being ranked from 79 upwards. Anything is possibile but I guess it's safe to say they didn't make the cut.
I also have at 93 one of the least favored songs with Mangini, again I can't imagine it topping at least 20 other songs if even I, who always tolerated and enjoyed the song, had it at 93.
Well...
I'm guessing my #50 song won't make the countdown, but that doesn't surprise me at all, so I had little hope going in. I don't see any appreciable chance that any of my #1-49 won't make the list (7 have already made it). Out of songs 51-70, I think there are three that aren't likely to make it. After that, it's a bit of a crap shoot. I have some highly regarded songs in my 71-100 range and plenty of poorly regarded songs that squeaked in (I'm guessing your #93 song might be my #91 song).
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I think my highest ranked song that might not make the cut is #26. The highest the DEFINITELY won't make the cut is #38.
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82. Only A Matter Of Time - not in top 100. Just never could get into WDaDU. Some with James are pretty decent, but I based my ranking on the original recordings
81. Awaken The Master - 66 - It was the hardest one to get into. Like many DT songs, you just can't skip because you aren't getting into it at the beginning.
80. I Walk Beside You - not in top 100. I like it ok. My girlfriend who I turned on to DT, has it as her ringtone for me. :heart. I think of God, as some other have said when I listen. But it is slow and a bit boring.
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Afternoon update today!
79. The Shattered Fortress
Highest Finish: 16 (NoFred, WimKruithof)
Number of Lists appeared on: 51 (Adami, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dittomist, Dream Team, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Bottom tier of the 12-suite for me, tied with The Root Of All Evil. I like the idea of the song but I don't really like how it was executed.
78. A Fortune In Lies
Highest Finish: 15 (Animal, jingle.boy)
Number of Lists appeared on: 45 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, TAC, The Realm, Trav86, Vmadera00, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Only A Matter Of Time and A Fortune In Lies were my initial favorites when I heard WDADU. Unlike OAMOT A Fortune In Lies didn't age as well, it's still one of the two songs I go to the rare times I listen to WDADU.
77. The Best Of Times
Highest Finish: 10 (Revenge319)
Number of Lists appeared on: 40 (Adami, Awaken, axeman90210, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dittomist, Dream Team, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lucasembarbosa, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, nobloodyname, NoFred, Peter Mc, PixelDream, ReaperKK, Revenge319, Stadler, TAC, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I expected this song to be placed higher, especially with the lyrics and the solo from JP. I didn't like this song the first time I heard it, it's grown on me over the years but it's still not a favorite from BCSL.
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For comparison - this is how the songs listed so far ranked in the previous countdown from December 2021.
100. Never Enough (#99) - highest ranker then was DragonAttack at #8
99. Wither (#119)
98. The Gift Of Music (#83) - highest ranker then was TAC at #37
97. Vacant (#89) - highest ranker then was 425 at #15
96. Afterlife (#96) - highest rankers then was Dream Team and wolfking at #26
95. Forsaken (#95) - highest ranker then was ZirconBlue at #29
94. S2N (#70) - highest ranker then was bosk at #16
93. Our New World (#97) - highest ranker then was Dream Team at #33
92. The Looking Glass (#92) - highest ranker then was devieira73 at #40
91. A New Beginning (#68) - highest ranker then was devieira73 at #19
90. Transcending Time (-)
89. Behind The Veil (#64) - highest ranker then was wolfking at #12
88. This Is The Life (#74) - highest ranker then was DragonAttack at #14
87. New Millennium (#90) - highest ranker then was devieira73 at #16
86. Constant Motion (#82) - highest ranker then was Laughingplace56 at #22
85. Sleeping Giant (-)
84. The Enemy Inside (#56) - highest rankers then was Laughingplace56 and erciccio at #18
83. Surrender To Reason (#58) - highest ranker then was Laughingplace56 at #6
82. Only A Matter Of Time (#75) - highest ranker then was Dream Team at #4
81. Awaken The Master (-)
80. I Walk Beside You (#93) - highest ranker then was DragonAttack at #22
79. The Shattered Fortress (#62) - highest ranker then was Wim Kruithof at #12
78. A Fortune In Lies (#76) - highest ranker then was ZirconBlue at #12
77. The Best Of Times (#77) - highest ranker then was Revenge319 at #3
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Funny that TBOT landed at the exact same spot.
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TSF: #83. Fine track, but I think it is the weakest of the 12 step suite. Still enjoyable.
AFIL: #76. Great opened to the debut album. If it had a more modern production this would be a top 15 song. The version from WDADR sounds so much better.
TBOT: #NR. I used to really like this songs when it came out, but over the years it dropped off a lot. The final solo is still great though.
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The Shattered Fortress was my 87. A nice conclusion to the AA saga, even though it was a bit too heavy on all the reprises rather than being its own song. The ending is great.
A Fortune in Lies ended at 68 in my list. Solid track and one of the best of the debut.
The Best of Times was 78 for me, basically the same of the ranking. I remember the big smile on my face when I first heard the song, a melanchonic slow intro 'cause of course a song about a father's death has to be sad and then the actual song starts and it's uplifting with those Images and Words vibes. Lyrics are a bit too personal to relate, but overall a good song.
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Only one of these I really know is A Fortune In Lies, and it's not one of the WDADU songs that I particularly like. The Best of Times I seem to recall having a nice intro (guitar solo maybe?) before going a bit off the rails (only heard it once or twice).
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TSF: none
AFIL: #47
TBOT: none
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97. Vacant (#89) - highest ranker then was 425 at #15
Nice, can definitely relate.
The Shattered Fortress - #87 - my least favourite track from BC&SL. There are some solid moments ("I am responsible" is a really good section) but the track lacks fresh ideas.
A Fortune in Lies - not ranked - as I said, I'm not that fond of WDADU.
The Best of Times - #76 - almost in tune with the actual list. Gorgeous intro, but then it's really questionable. I don't like the verses very much, I think the lyrics are very mundane and uninspired (probably just my impression), JP's solo on the other hand is gold. This song is very uneven but I kinda like it anyway.
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TSF ... 62. Very good tune, one of the better ones on BCSL. One of James' last truly incredible vocal deliveries... "I am responsible..."
AFIL ... 15. My top rating from WDADU. When you listen past the weak production, this is a great tune. Good lyrics, good musicianship, killer guitar solo, good keyboard work by KM, and JM slays as usual. As far as track 1 on album 1 of a band's career, this is pretty damned sweet. Of course, it helps that it was one of the first DT songs I ever heard. The machine gun segment of the snare/guitar/base starting at 3:10 is pure bliss, imo. Lyrically, it's pretty good as well. I'm not really sure which 'live' rendition with James I like best - certainly all of them up to WDADRU are great. Luna Park on the other hand ... I'd rather listen to Charlie singing, thanks.
TBOT ... Overall, my fave song from BCSL - and it would rate higher than 57 if not for some of the cringey lyrics. I get the personal nature of them, and it tells a good story - and I'm surely not going to slam them. But they're still kinda cringey at times. But the outro solo ... God Tier. Top 5, probably Top 3 solo from JP in the catalogue.
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The Shattered Fortress: Didn't make the cut. I need my hand to be there and I need more original content in that vein besides the reprises in order to rank it higher.
A Fortune in Lies: 97. The definition of a solid tune.
The Best of Time: 27. Loved it even before I could relate to it, then it just skyrocketed. And the solo is the substance friendship is made of.
The Score so far:
21 - A New Beginning
27 - The Best of Times
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
68 - Our New World
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Rated: Never Enough, Wither, Afterlife, Forsaken, S2N, Transcending Time, New Millennium, Constant Motion, Sleeping Giant, The Enemy Inside, Only a Matter if Time, Awaken the Master, I Walk Beside You, The Shattered Fortress.
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79. The Shattered Fortress
78. A Fortune In Lies
77. The Best Of Times
TBOT is dreck that I didn't even consider for my countdown and likely wouldn't make my top 150. People keep telling me that the guitar solo is something great, but it does nothing for me (and a great guitar solo can't save an otherwise bad song). It finished in exactly the same place on the prior countdown.
I like TSF because it somewhat concisely summarizes the prior 12SS songs. I had it at #68. It came in at #62 on the prior countdown, so this is a decent drop.
AFIL seems to be one of the better liked WDADU songs, but I have it as the #6 song on the album, and it came in at #75 on my list. It came in at #76 on the prior countdown, so only the slightest of drops this time.
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AFIL ... 15. My top rating from WDADU. When you listen past the weak production, this is a great tune.
This is where I stand. It really is a great track, but the dated production is hard to ignore.
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Two out of today's three. Unsurprisingly it's the WDaDU song that never made the cut.
I had A Fortune in Lies at #114 and that seems about appropriate to be honest. An OK song from an OK album.
The Shattered Fortress came in at #31, and unlike Reap, I had this ranked second highest out of all the 12 Step Suite songs. It has it's flaws but I still kinda love it. The best bit is obviously "Keep all of me, the desires...", the riff that follows it AND the solo :heart that bit makes up for some of the more lacklustre sections.
Lastly, The Best of Times. Yea it's kinda corny and overlong, but it has some great bits, which obviously include that outro solo.
My ranking so far:
13. Wither
20. Never Enough
27. The Best of Times
29. Constant Motion
30. A New Beginning
31. The Shattered Fortress
35. The Enemy Inside
36. I Walk Beside You
45. The Looking Glass
49. Forsaken
55. Behind the Veil
62. Surrender to Reason
83. This is the Life
86. Our New World
100. New Millennium
Not ranked:
109. Vacant
112. Only a Matter of Time
113. Afterlife
114. A Fortune in Lies
119. Sleeping Giant
121. Awaken the Master
123. Transcending Time
125. S2N
140. The Gift of Music
(and a great guitar solo can't save an otherwise bad song).
It absolutely can!
@HOF, you only listened to The Best of Times once or twice? Did you hate Black Clouds that much?
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Here's the thing about TBOT.... the lyrics are obviously one-man's relationship with his father. But every time I play this song, I remember a lot of my own childhood memories and experiences as I listen. The hokey-ness of "two score and the year we had" ... and "lying on the pillows at the old 812" are dwarfed by "young boy and his father; idol and best friend" ... "thank you for the inspiration; thank you for the smiles". Many of those lines get me right in the feelz most times.
I really hope this is one of the tunes they finally play live on the first tour back.
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(and a great guitar solo can't save an otherwise bad song).
It absolutely can!
Not for me. It's the same as with lyrics. Shitty lyrics can ruin an otherwise great song, but the best lyrics can't save an otherwise lousy song.
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@HOF, you only listened to The Best of Times once or twice? Did you hate Black Clouds that much?
No, I just never bought it and have only sampled a few bits of it here and there. I think I heard TBOT for the first time the last time we did a DT song countdown.
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Here's the thing about TBOT.... the lyrics are obviously one-man's relationship with his father. But every time I play this song, I remember a lot of my own childhood memories and experiences as I listen. The hokey-ness of "two score and the year we had" ... and "lying on the pillows at the old 812" are dwarfed by "young boy and his father; idol and best friend" ... "thank you for the inspiration; thank you for the smiles". Many of those lines get me right in the feelz most times.
I really hope this is one of the tunes they finally play live on the first tour back.
I'm really not sure it will be. Only a few days ago, on the anniversary of his father's death, MP was saying how he can still barely listen to the song because of the feelings it evokes in him.
On another note, I get people not liking songs but to dismiss them as "dreck"? I don't know. I don't feel comfortable with that. Maybe it's another American English vs British English thing.
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79. The Shattered Fortress - Came in a 45 for me. I want to really love this song because I really love a lot of moments in the song. But while some of the transitions and reprises are just genius, others come across as very clunky and disjointed to me. But still a really good song.
78. A Fortune In Lies - #81. No major complaints about this song. It's just that for what they were going for, they learned how to do it a lot better later on.
77. The Best Of Times - Did not rank for me. We've kind of been over why, so I won't belabor it here. I mostly feel the way Chad does about the lyrics in that I get and respect what Mike was going for; it's just that they are so overly specific that I have a hard time getting them to resonate with me. Nothing "wrong" with the song--it just doesn't hit for me that way most of their catalog does.
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My own 100:
095: I Walk Beside You #80 -15
094: S2n #94 spot on
093: Never Enough #100 +7
089: Only a Matter of Time #82 -7
088: Surrender to Reason #83t -5
087: Forsaken #95 +8
084: Constant Motion #86 +2
082: The Best of Times #77 -5
078: Behind the Veil #89 +11
077: Afterlife #96 +19
068: The Enemy Inside #83t +15
060: A Fortune in Lies #78 +18
054: The Looking Glass #92 +38
050: Wither #99 +49
048: Transcending Time #90 +42
041: Sleeping Giant #85 +44
029: Awaken the Master #81 +52
016: The Shattered Fortress #79 +63
not rankend: #6 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium
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79. The Shattered Fortress
Highest Finish: 16 (NoFred, WimKruithof)
Number of Lists appeared on: 51 (Adami, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dittomist, Dream Team, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
78. A Fortune In Lies
Highest Finish: 15 (Animal, jingle.boy)
Number of Lists appeared on: 45 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, TAC, The Realm, Trav86, Vmadera00, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
77. The Best Of Times
Highest Finish: 10 (Revenge319)
Number of Lists appeared on: 40 (Adami, Awaken, axeman90210, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dittomist, Dream Team, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lucasembarbosa, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, nobloodyname, NoFred, Peter Mc, PixelDream, ReaperKK, Revenge319, Stadler, TAC, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had The Shattered Fortress as Not Rated.
I thought a 12SS mashup was a very disappointing way to finish it off. The "I am responsible" part at the end is awesome, and I just wished they'd treated the whole song similarly and gave it its own identity.
I had A Fortune In Lies at #18.
I am actually surprised at how low this is. I would've figured the Live At The Marquee version would've cemented its spot as an early classic.
I had The Best Of Times at #14.
Musically, this is a phenomenal song, and I think the lyrics are damn near perfect. So heartfelt, and I'm lucky enough to have it be relatable. I was balling my eyes out the first time I heard it.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 Transcending Time
95 Behind The Veil
94 New Milenium
93 Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91
90 Forsaken
89
88
87
86
85
84
83
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79
78
77
76 S2N
75
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72
71
70
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65
64
63
62
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58
57
56
55
54
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46
45
44
43
42
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39
38
37
36
35 The Gift Of Music
34
33
32
31
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25
24
23
22
21
20
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16
15
14 The Best Of Times
13
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
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The Shattered Fortress -my rank 88. I grew to appreciate this song more after I saw Mike, Haken and Eric Gillette perform it live.
A Fortune in Lies - one of the best songs from the debut. I thought it may have gone higher, my rank 59 (which is currently the highest ranked of any of my list that has been revealed so far).
The Best of Times - this song has never really worked for me. I can appreciate it and have no problem with anyone loving this. It may work for me more one day. Unranked.
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TSF came in at 48 for me. I liked this a lot more on my recent listen of the album. I'm a huge Glass Prison and Dying Soul fan so I loved all the reprises. A great conclusion to the suite.
AFIL came in at 96. I'm surprised, that should have been way higher. That's what I get for rushing my list I guess.
TBOT came in at 99. I never really liked it, but the solo elevates it to top 100 level, just. I think it's a song I can't relate to the lyrics at all unfortunately so it may be an issue I have with the song personally.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95
94 Our New World
93 This is the Life
92
91
90
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86
85
84
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79
78 Wither
77
76
75
74 The Enemy Inside
73
72
71 Forsaken
70
69
68
67 S2N
66
65
64 The Looking Glass
63
62
61
60
59
58 Afterlife
57
56
55
54
53
52
51
50
49
48 The Shattered Fortress
47
46
45
44
43
42 Never Enough
41
40
39
38
37
36
35
34
33
32 I Walk Beside You
31
30
29 Surrender to Reason
28
27
26
25
24
23
22
21
20 Behind the Veil
19
18
17
16
15
14
13
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
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79. The Shattered Fortress
Highest Finish: 16 (NoFred, WimKruithof)
Completely understand not being into this because it’s derivative, and it may not even be among my favorite of 12SS. I think 12SS works as an idea and was fun following as songs were released, but I get nothing extra trying to listen to it as a single work - doesn’t come across as anything greater than four songs and a medley. I sure love the medley though.
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5 Only a Matter of Time
24 This is the Life
26 A New Beginning
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
48 A Fortune in Lies
51 Our New World
54 Wither
57 Surrender to Reason
61 I Walk Beside You
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
68 Sleeping Giant
76 Transcending Time
81 The Gift of Music
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time
Had these 3 additions all in there, but just barely. The main things knocking TSF down are the overly-long intro and overly-long keyboard solo. The rest is fine. AFIL is a really good rocker and the Marquee performance is where it shines. TBoT has some nice melodies and one of JP's greatest solos.
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AFIL NR
The Shattered Fortress #39
Much higher on my list than expected which surprised me as I don't reach for this album too often anymore.
The Best Of Times #55
Expected this would've ranked better than Fortress but there we go. And count me in loving that final JP solo. Always reminded me of Malmsteen in style but better ;D
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AFIL NR
The Shattered Fortress #39
Much higher on my list than expected which surprised me as I don't reach for this album too often anymore.
The Best Of Times #55
Expected this would've ranked better than Fortress but there we go. And count me in loving that final JP solo. Always reminded me of Malmsteen in style but better ;D
1/3 JP, 1/3 Randy, 1/3 Gary
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AFIL NR
The Shattered Fortress #39
Much higher on my list than expected which surprised me as I don't reach for this album too often anymore.
The Best Of Times #55
Expected this would've ranked better than Fortress but there we go. And count me in loving that final JP solo. Always reminded me of Malmsteen in style but better ;D
1/3 JP, 1/3 Randy, 1/3 Gary
Hell yes!!!
I hear so much Gary Moore in JP's playing.
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Only one of these I really know is A Fortune In Lies, and it's not one of the WDADU songs that I particularly like. The Best of Times I seem to recall having a nice intro (guitar solo maybe?) before going a bit off the rails (only heard it once or twice).
Listened to TBOT again, and I had it backwards. It’s the intro and guitar solo/outro I didn’t like so much. The Rush-like part in the first half of the song is the good part.
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AFIL NR
The Shattered Fortress #39
Much higher on my list than expected which surprised me as I don't reach for this album too often anymore.
The Best Of Times #55
Expected this would've ranked better than Fortress but there we go. And count me in loving that final JP solo. Always reminded me of Malmsteen in style but better ;D
1/3 JP, 1/3 Randy, 1/3 Gary
I can get behind this. I don't hear Malmsteen at all in that solo or JPs playing in general.
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100. Never Enough (17th) I don't get how this is at 100. This song has many cool parts, especially the instrumental break.
99. Wither (66th) Solid song, when it hits, it's great but it doesn't always warrant a listen.
98. The Gift Of Music (92nd) It's alright. Past entry 82 on my list is stuff that just had to be ranked.
97. Vacant (70th) This song is so awesome on its own and how it leads into SoC
96. Afterlife (98th) See: The Gift of Music
95. Forsaken (87th) It's alright, live is good.
94. S2N (NR) Honestly just not familiar enough with this song yet.
93. Our New World (NR) See: S2N
92. The Looking Glass (54th) This is one of the better tracks off of DT12. Great chorus, surprised it is this low.
91. A New Beginning (NR) Couldn't tell you what album it's from.
90. Transcending Time I really don't like DT12 View at this time, with about 5 listens since returning to the forum last year. But this song stuck out and was good enough to make the list.
89. Behind The Veil (NR) See: A New Beginning
88. This Is The Life (33rd) This song is very underrated. It has a huge atmosphere to it and a great buildup to that final chorus.
87. New Millennium (NR) Not much of a fan of FII, and this song was always skippable to me.
86. Constant Motion (35th) Sometimes you need a straightforward song, DT does it great here, and the instrumental section with the bass and piano is cool as hell.
85. Sleeping Giant (NR)
84. The Enemy Inside (36th) Great, straightforward song, and ranks right next to Constant Motion.
83. Surrender To Reason (64th) This was a mistake to place it at 64th, but by the time I was ranking stuff, I didn't care past a certain point. Relistening now and it's alright, should actually be in the 90s or off my list, so an oversight on my part.
82. Only A Matter Of Time (97th) Not bad, something had to be here.
81. Awaken The Master (NR)
80. I Walk Beside You (43rd) What a great song, when DT does more uplifting/major key stuff, it's really great, usually. Feels very underrated to me. This song has layers to it musically, stuff that feels more subtle than usual. Also fun to play on the bass.
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79. The Shattered Fortress (22nd) A few clunky transitions aside, amazing song. Only TGP is the better song in the 12-step suite. And of course, that ending "I am RESPONSIBLE!"
78. A Fortune In Lies (86th) Pretty good song, chorus can stuck in your head. Charlie does a fantastic job, though the live version with JLB is stellar.
77. The Best Of Times (62nd) The intro and body of the song are a few minutes too long. The feel of the song is good, though, and that outro solo is top tier.
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No Fred, total the opposite for me. I'm a huge fan of the 12SS and it really is amongst my favorite compositions Dream Theater (Portnoy, so to speak) has ever done. The Glass Prison, This Dying Soul and The Shattered Fortress are all considered favorites, but I do really love The Root of All Evil and even 've learned to appreciatie Repentance.
Just a magnificant way of reflection through the period of alcoholism and how that destroyed so much more than just the body. Both in a lyrical and musical way and absolute conceptual stand-out.
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Shattered Fortress NR- Except the prequel (The Mirror), 12SS is not among my favorite DT stuff. I enjoy some parts of earlier installments but I don't care for the final two. And it on BCSL, which does not help.
A Fortune in Lies - 15 I probably like 80s heavy metal a lot more than I am willing to admit.
The Best of Times - NR A victim of being one of my least listened to DT albums, so it doesn't get much chance for reappraisal. By all accounts, I should like it. The lyrics are extremely relatable, although they won't win any poetry prize. But as I am getting older, I can appreciate even "naive" lyrics - what is the point of pretending you are a sophisticated wordsmith if you are not?
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79. The Shattered Fortress (75). Perhaps it leans a bit too much on the other songs from the 12SS, but I think this is a satisfying conclusion.
78. A Fortune in Lies (80). Great vocals from Charlie here, and the studio version is still my preferred version of this song. The intro is kind of all over the place but it works for me.
77. The Best of Times (55). Musically this expresses the themes of both nostalgia and reflection well. While the lyrics do not impact me the same way they have for some others, I still appreciate them.
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I decided to be ultra geeky and keep track of how much my list varies from the official one.
So far the highest difference is Wither - I placed it 71 positions above the average. The lower (not counting songs I didn't even rank) is The Enemy Inside, I placed it -16 positions lower.
I don't know how it will all play out, but I think Wither is already the "winner", can't imagine any other song I ranked 70 positions higher than the rest. Maaaybe there's a ballad from a fantastic album that will rank a lot lower.
Also, remains to be seen what will be my highest ranking song that won't make the cut, most likely my 36 and 40 (both from a controversial album).
Situation so far:
28 Wither (99) +71
29 Forsaken (95) +66
48 I Walk Beside You (80) +32
53 Only a Matter of Time (82) +29
58 Behind the Veil (89) +31
68 A Fortune in Lies (78) +10
70 The Gift of Music (98) +28
78 The Best of Times (77) -1
83 Transcending Time (90) +7
86 Vacant (97) +11
87 The Shattered Fortress (79) -8
96 Never Enough (100) +4
99 The Enemy Inside (83) -16
100 S2N (94) -6
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None of the songs from yesterday ranked.
The Shattered Fortress does not work as a stand alone song for me.
A Fortune In Lies is an Ok song marred by the production.
The Best Of Times, I get that it is an important song for MP but I'm fine with never hearing it again. My least favorite song from one of my least favorite albums.
My ranking so far
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
37 Our New World (93)
59 Transcending Time (90)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78)
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I decided to be ultra geeky and keep track of how much my list varies from the official one.
So far the highest difference is Wither - I placed it 71 positions above the average. The lower (not counting songs I didn't even rank) is The Enemy Inside, I placed it -16 positions lower.
I don't know how it will all play out, but I think Wither is already the "winner", can't imagine any other song I ranked 70 positions higher than the rest. Maaaybe there's a ballad from a fantastic album that will rank a lot lower.
I like prog-nerdy-ultra geeky. My highest difference till now is The Shattered Fortress, which I ranked 63 places above. Can't imagine any song beating that... although, there still is one voluntair in my top #10.
My own 100:
095: I Walk Beside You #80 -15
094: S2n #94 spot on
093: Never Enough #100 +7
089: Only a Matter of Time #82 -7
088: Surrender to Reason #83t -5
087: Forsaken #95 +8
084: Constant Motion #86 +2
082: The Best of Times #77 -5
078: Behind the Veil #89 +11
077: Afterlife #96 +19
068: The Enemy Inside #83t +15
060: A Fortune in Lies #78 +18
054: The Looking Glass #92 +38
050: Wither #99 +49
048: Transcending Time #90 +42
041: Sleeping Giant #85 +44
029: Awaken the Master #81 +52
016: The Shattered Fortress #79 +63
not rankend: #6 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium
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Some fast catching up, a good bunch of no-rankers for me.
91 A New Beginning my 89
90 Transcending Time NR
89 Behind The Veil NR. Another one that, like S2N, is dragged down by the chorus for me. I realised earlier that exact these choruses I'm not fond of get praises from other forum members. That's just how different you can approach DT's catalogue I guess. I count that as a strength.
88 This Is The Life NR
87 New Millennium 47. Apparently I like it a good bit more than the average. I get the criticisms (dragging, not going anywhere, "baby"), but it doesn't bother me that much. I have the funny feeling it's not that far from some stuff on Awake stylistically but that may be controversial (and I really needed to prepare to defend that position). Years later, when I dipped my toe into Gentle Giant's catalogue, I thought that motif around the 3:00 mark in "River" sounded somewhat familiar.
86 Constant Motion 48
85 Sleeping Giant 18. My highest ranking song so far, and one of 6 MM-era songs in my Top 20. This must be my champion for the biggest difference from the overall list (67), at least in this direction (me ranking higher than the average). I really like this one and it's fun to play along (thanks to DT89s transcriptions), of course I suck at it, but it's still fun anyway.
83 The Enemy Inside 79
83 Surrender To Reason NR
82 Only A Matter Of Time 65
81 Awaken The Master 70
80 I Walk Beside You NR
79 The Shattered Fortress 78
78 A Fortune In Lies 76
77 The Best Of Times NR
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The Shattered Fortress- I had this a bit higher, #33 on my list. I love the reprises to wrap up the suite, James gives a strong performance, and that JP solo towards the end absolutely rips :metal My only complaint is them adding in the TRoaE drum bit to an outro that would have otherwise been a perfectly symmetrical outro with the intro to TGP
A Fortune in Lies- Not rated, I just don't ever listen to WDaDU
The Best of Times- I was right in the ballpark, #71 on my list. Heartfelt lyrics from MP and some gorgeous playing from Petrucci.
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Catching up
82. Only A Matter Of Time Did not rank.
81. Awaken The Master 74 Another great song from AVFTTOTW, although all but one ranked higher.
80. I Walk Beside You 75 Great song, with a uplifting message that anyone can personalize for themselves. I never saw it as a religulous message.
79. The Shattered Fortress 76 Great mashup of what came before and ties off the bleeding before the body dies. I approve.
78. A Fortune In Lies Did not rank
77. The Best Of Times Did not rank. The solo almost saved it, but not quite
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80. I Walk Beside You 75 Great song, with a uplifting message that anyone can personalize for themselves. I never saw it as a religulous message.
To clarify my point, I don't either ... but since it always reminds me of "Footprints in the Sand", and that is clearly a message about God being 'with' you (royal) in the worst of times, that's what I was getting at.
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79. The Shattered Fortress - surprised this one reached as high as it did, it was only 98 for me. I do like it, and it does feel like a fitting conclusion to the suite. The intro build-up is great but it really takes off when they bust into that riff from towards the end of TGP. Unfortunately it does suffer from being too stitched-together from parts of previous songs on the suite, which I understand was a conscious choice, but I think they overdid it slightly (especially in the keyboard solo section - the main backing riff is literally stitched together from three separate riffs from TGP). That said it is cool to hear certain riffs and sections reprised, in particular the ones used for the verses and the reprise of the chorus of TROAE feels very climactic. The ending is great - I'm glad that they at least created an original part in "Responsible", which does have a fitting triumphant feeling to it. And what better way to end than that very first bassline from TGP (although slightly odd that they chose to finish with this part considering this song is supposed to be about completing the steps...)
78. A Fortune In Lies - this didn't make my list... which is surprising, because I really like it. One of the better and more memorable songs from the debut. Glad to see it still getting in love.
77. The Best Of Times - another one I'm slightly surprised is ranked so highly - to be honest, I'm surprised it's in the top 100, I didn't think it was that well regarded. For me it finished a few spots higher at 73. What can I say, it's powerful, personal and emotional throughout. And JP absolutely nails the outro solo, it's perfect - one of his best perhaps.
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About The Best of Times...once upon a time this would actually have been my #1 song, flaws notwithstanding (those flaws being an overlong intro and a too-heavyhanded musical contrast between the 'happy memory' verses and the sad chorus). That album came out a month or so after my dad was diagnosed with terminal prostate cancer (he'd die 4 years later) and the song hit me very hard. Grief infantilises a lot of people, including myself, and those 'artless' lyrics in the song never bothered me. That was my own experience of taking leave of my dad: desperately trying to 'record' the best moments that only we shared, before they were lost from memory. Speaking personally I far prefer something like The Best of Times as a child's expression of raw grief than any number of 'heartbroken' songs that set greeting card philosophy to music. If you're not a gifted writer, as MP/most of us aren't, what are we supposed to do when we want to honour what we've lost? Shut up about it and leave it to the poets? Nah, bugger that. Just go ahead and write about the times you watched Harold and Maude with your dad, if that's what helps you.
On a lighter note I'd like to at this point offer a shoutout to PetFish, assuming he still uses this forum (he's registered in the members list at least), for giving us one of the finest moments in MP Forum history.
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About The Best of Times...once upon a time this would actually have been my #1 song, flaws notwithstanding (those flaws being an overlong intro and a too-heavyhanded musical contrast between the 'happy memory' verses and the sad chorus). That album came out a month or so after my dad was diagnosed with terminal prostate cancer (he'd die 4 years later) and the song hit me very hard. Grief infantilises a lot of people, including myself, and those 'artless' lyrics in the song never bothered me. That was my own experience of taking leave of my dad: desperately trying to 'record' the best moments that only we shared, before they were lost from memory. Speaking personally I far prefer something like The Best of Times as a child's expression of raw grief than any number of 'heartbroken' songs that set greeting card philosophy to music. If you're not a gifted writer, as MP/most of us aren't, what are we supposed to do when we want to honour what we've lost? Shut up about it and leave it to the poets? Nah, bugger that. Just go ahead and write about the times you watched Harold and Maude with your dad, if that's what helps you.
Well said, and that's actually a very good point.
On a lighter note I'd like to at this point offer a shoutout to PetFish, assuming he still uses this forum (he's registered in the members list at least), for giving us one of the finest moments in MP Forum history.
:rollin
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About The Best of Times...once upon a time this would actually have been my #1 song, flaws notwithstanding (those flaws being an overlong intro and a too-heavyhanded musical contrast between the 'happy memory' verses and the sad chorus). That album came out a month or so after my dad was diagnosed with terminal prostate cancer (he'd die 4 years later) and the song hit me very hard. Grief infantilises a lot of people, including myself, and those 'artless' lyrics in the song never bothered me. That was my own experience of taking leave of my dad: desperately trying to 'record' the best moments that only we shared, before they were lost from memory. Speaking personally I far prefer something like The Best of Times as a child's expression of raw grief than any number of 'heartbroken' songs that set greeting card philosophy to music. If you're not a gifted writer, as MP/most of us aren't, what are we supposed to do when we want to honour what we've lost? Shut up about it and leave it to the poets? Nah, bugger that. Just go ahead and write about the times you watched Harold and Maude with your dad, if that's what helps you.
On a lighter note I'd like to at this point offer a shoutout to PetFish, assuming he still uses this forum (he's registered in the members list at least), for giving us one of the finest moments in MP Forum history.
I was trying to come up with good words for what I don't like about the parts I don't like (I know which things I don't like, but hard to describe why). "Heavy handed" is a pretty good way of putting it. Contrast it with the more subtle approach by JP to this topic in Take Away My Pain maybe.
Also, yeah, I agree it's Mike expression of grief in the way he wanted to/was able to express it, so not knocking it from that standpoint.
I don't think the lyrics are so much of an issue for me. I more just don't connect with it musically (aside from the upbeat Rush part which is cool). The cello part at the beginning is not musically pleasing to me. The solo section at the end feels a little overly grand. I feel like JR had more of a role in that respect, as a lot of it reminds me of stuff on SDOIT and 8V that I don't like either (his keyboard string patches for more orchestral parts always bug me).
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@Dave: Personally, I don't think there's anything "artless" about any of that. I love that MP wrote those lyrics, and how heartfelt and personal they are. That isn't lost on me just because I don't connect with them. Honestly, I can't say why I don't connect with them, but it has nothing to do with them being "artless," and probably has little to do with them being so specific. I routinely find song about loss, especially losing a parent, to be touching and powerful, even where the lyrics themselves might not be my personal experience. Shoot, even Out of Reach touches me deeply, even knowing full well that the story of those lyrics is completely fictional and I have never personally experienced the specifics of that story. But sometimes lyrics hit us, and sometimes they don't, and while I deeply appreciate the lyrics in TBOT, they just don't hit me for some reason. And that's okay because they don't have to.
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Another afternoon update!
76. To Live Forever
Highest Finish: 13 (Toro)
Number of Lists appeared on: 38 (Adami, Awaken, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CharlesPL, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, Metro, MoraWintersoul, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Zydar)
One of my favorite songs from 90's DT.
75. Answering The Call
Highest Finish: 17 (NoFred)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42 (Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Evermind, geeeemo, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, Metro, MirrorMask, Mosh, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking)
This broke the top 30 for me. This was an immediate favorite from A View
74. Through Her Eyes
Highest Finish: 20 (Peter MC)
Number of Lists appeared on: 47 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, Revenge319, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
A fantastic song and one of my favorites from Scenes.
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To Live Forever is really cool, but I think the version they did around ‘94 or the live performance on 5YiALT would be the definitive one for me. Would be much higher than 76 for me if I had done a list.
Never really liked Through Her Eyes.
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No Fred, total the opposite for me.
Haha that’s great that we both ranked TSF the highest :tup
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76. Answering The Call
Highest Finish: 17 (NoFred)
Instant favorite from A View. Structurally similar to Beyond this Life to my ears. Wish it was in the set list for first leg of the album tour.
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To Live Forever ranked at 45 for me. Could be it got a bit high on account of me ranking from memory. It is a very nice song though.
Answering the Call ranked at number 50 for me. Not my favorite from View but a very nice song with tasty guitar, drums and keys.
Through Her Eyes ranked at 28 for me. Wonderful song from a wonderful album. From the female vocals through the tasty guitar and wonderful piano this just oozes feeling.... and great vocals from LaBrie as well.
My ranking so far
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
37 Our New World (93)
45 To Live Forever (76)
50 Answering the Call (75)
59 Transcending Time (90)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78)
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To Live Forever - not ranked - see my previous comments about WDADU.
Answering the Call - #79 - I think this is the only song from View on my list. This one's pretty good and I can see it climbing higher when I revisit the album eventually.
Through Her Eyes - #72 - almost spot on but I don't really agree with that. :lol This song is outshined by basically everything on SFAM, but I should've ranked this higher. Was listening to this album today on my run and this song smokes. If I did the ranking manually, this one should've been in the top 50 at least.
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The Shattered Fortress - placed #62 in the previous countdown, highest ranker then was WimKruithof at #12
A Fortune In Lies - placed #76 in the previous countdown, highest ranker then was ZirconBlue at #12
The Best Of Times - placed #77 in the previous countdown, highest ranker then was Revenge319 at #3
To Live Forever - placed #91 in the previous countdown, highest ranker then was Toro at #11
Through Her Eyes - placed #94 in the previous countdown, highest ranker then was DragonAttack at #35
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From today's 3, only had Answering the Call. Through Her Eyes is way too cheesy for me and I don't really like it when James goes into those feminine voices.
5 Only a Matter of Time (81 pts higher than its ranking)
24 This is the Life
26 A New Beginning
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
48 A Fortune in Lies
51 Our New World
54 Wither
57 Surrender to Reason
61 I Walk Beside You
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
68 Sleeping Giant
76 Transcending Time
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time
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76. To Live Forever
Not ranked, it's a good song, but I found at least 100 songs I like better.
76. Answering The Call
I have it at 97. I like it, one of the best on View, I probably should have ranked it higher but it probably paid the price of being relatively new. Again, I like the song, but I trusted the system that calculated I liked 96 songs more.
73. Through Her Eyes
This is one of the songs I thought I had a chance of being the highest ranker - I had it at 23. Came close.
Masterpiece on an album full of masterpieces. I don't consider it the relatively "dull" moment of SFAM, but a fantastic ballad which I love just as much as The Spirit Carries On. Great melody, soulful rendition from James, all in all a nice lovely song and the only one I never heard live until I saw them performing Scenes in full. Weirdest thing - now that I'm thinking about the show, I don't have specific memory from the song. D'uh. But it was nice to finally say I have heard all the songs from SFAM live....... thanks to a show where I heard anyway the whole thing live :D
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To Live Forever - 53
Answering the Call - none
Through Her Eyes - 85
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I just looked up the wikipedia list of songs recorded by Dream Theater. It says 4 versions of To Live Forever exist. That is 4 too many.
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I just looked up the wikipedia list of songs recorded by Dream Theater. It says 4 versions of To Live Forever exist. That is 4 too many.
It's 5 too many.
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76. To Live Forever
76. Answering The Call
73. Through Her Eyes
If TLF and ATC tied, it would be at the #75 spot, and Through Her Eyes should be at #74, right?
I didn't have TLF in my countdown, and I am truly baffled to see it this high. I first heard it at my 4th DT show in June 1993. I thought it was pretty meh, but I also thought it was probably an unfinished song that might turn up on the next album. When it didn't, I pretty much forgot about it, except when it would turn up on the occasional live release. It does absolutely nothing for me. It came in at #91 in the last countdown, which makes a bit more sense.
Answering the Call also didn't make my list. See my prior comments regarding Sleeping Giant and Awaken the Master.
Through Her Eyes is great. I initially didn't give it a lot of credit, and I think it may have been because I may have mixed it up as part of another song. Great melodic interlude. I had it at #41, and it came in at #94 in the last countdown, so this is a big jump.
List Not Ranked
100 Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T)
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97 This Is the Life (88)
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84 Forsaken (95)
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79 Vacant (97)
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75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
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68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
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65 Transcending Time (90)
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59 Afterlife (96)
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57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
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46 Behind the Veil (89)
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41 Through Her Eyes (74)
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39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
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31 The Looking Glass (92)
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28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
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18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
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TLF: #50 great track.
ATC: #44. Best of A View. Killer riff.
THE:#26. Don't know why, but this song always gets to me. It's just a beautiful piece of music.
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79. The Shattered Fortress 94. It's always better than I remember it. It feels like the most "medley-ish" of the suite, and that's OK.
78. A Fortune In Lies 67. The drama! So much fun. Very classic "opening track" feel.
77. The Best Of Times Didn't rank for me, but barely so (104). Love that the version with MP singing is available for public consumption.
76. To Live Forever 43. If I were king, DT would still be doing U2-style tracks.
75. Answering the Call Didn't rank for me. Not bad, I quite like the bridge before the chorus, but overall I can live without it.
74. Through Her Eyes 100. Used to skip it a bunch as a dumb teenager. Then I grew a little older and really got into it.
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76. To Live Forever
Highest Finish: 13 (Toro)
Number of Lists appeared on: 38 (Adami, Awaken, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CharlesPL, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, Metro, MoraWintersoul, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Zydar)
76. Answering The Call
Highest Finish: 17 (NoFred)
Number of Lists appeared on: 42 (Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Evermind, geeeemo, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, Metro, MirrorMask, Mosh, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking)
73. Through Her Eyes
Highest Finish: 20 (Peter MC)
Number of Lists appeared on: 47 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, Revenge319, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had To Live Forever as Not Rated.
This song blows! :lol
Seriously though. I don't get it.
I had Answering The Call as Not Rated.
I like it well enough, but I just couldn't fit it into my Top 100.
I had Through Her Eyes at #63.
Seems a bit high I guess, but it's a nice break on Scenes. I especially love the live version on Live Scenes.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 Transcending Time
95 Behind The Veil
94 New Milenium
93 Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89
88
87
86
85
84
83
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79
78
77
76 S2N
75
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72
71
70
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65
64
63 Through Her Eyes
62
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58
57
56
55
54
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46
45
44
43
42
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39
38
37
36
35 The Gift Of Music
34
33
32
31
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25
24
23
22
21
20
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16
15
14 The Best Of Times
13
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
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Two out of three again today.
I can kinda understand the dislike for TLF, but I really quite like it. It landed at #80 for me.
Like many other View songs, Answering the Call didn't rank for me, and ended up at #122, between two other View songs.
I really love all the songs from Scenes From a Memory, and Through Her Eyes is no different. #44 for me, but it could've easily gone higher.
My ranking so far:
13. Wither
20. Never Enough
27. The Best of Times
29. Constant Motion
30. A New Beginning
31. The Shattered Fortress
35. The Enemy Inside
36. I Walk Beside You
44. Through Her Eyes
45. The Looking Glass
49. Forsaken
55. Behind the Veil
62. Surrender to Reason
80. To Live Forever
83. This is the Life
86. Our New World
100. New Millennium
Not ranked:
109. Vacant
112. Only a Matter of Time
113. Afterlife
114. A Fortune in Lies
119. Sleeping Giant
121. Awaken the Master
122. Answering the Call
123. Transcending Time
125. S2N
140. The Gift of Music
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100. Never Enough (17th) I don't get how this is at 100. This song has many cool parts, especially the instrumental break.
99. Wither (66th) Solid song, when it hits, it's great but it doesn't always warrant a listen.
98. The Gift Of Music (92nd) It's alright. Past entry 82 on my list is stuff that just had to be ranked.
97. Vacant (70th) This song is so awesome on its own and how it leads into SoC
96. Afterlife (98th) See: The Gift of Music
95. Forsaken (87th) It's alright, live is good.
94. S2N (NR) Honestly just not familiar enough with this song yet.
93. Our New World (NR) See: S2N
92. The Looking Glass (54th) This is one of the better tracks off of DT12. Great chorus, surprised it is this low.
91. A New Beginning (NR) Couldn't tell you what album it's from.
90. Transcending Time I really don't like DT12 View at this time, with about 5 listens since returning to the forum last year. But this song stuck out and was good enough to make the list.
89. Behind The Veil (NR) See: A New Beginning
88. This Is The Life (33rd) This song is very underrated. It has a huge atmosphere to it and a great buildup to that final chorus.
87. New Millennium (NR) Not much of a fan of FII, and this song was always skippable to me.
86. Constant Motion (35th) Sometimes you need a straightforward song, DT does it great here, and the instrumental section with the bass and piano is cool as hell.
85. Sleeping Giant (NR)
84. The Enemy Inside (36th) Great, straightforward song, and ranks right next to Constant Motion.
83. Surrender To Reason (64th) This was a mistake to place it at 64th, but by the time I was ranking stuff, I didn't care past a certain point. Relistening now and it's alright, should actually be in the 90s or off my list, so an oversight on my part.
82. Only A Matter Of Time (97th) Not bad, something had to be here.
81. Awaken The Master (NR)
80. I Walk Beside You (43rd) What a great song, when DT does more uplifting/major key stuff, it's really great, usually. Feels very underrated to me. This song has layers to it musically, stuff that feels more subtle than usual. Also fun to play on the bass.
79. The Shattered Fortress (22nd) A few clunky transitions aside, amazing song. Only TGP is the better song in the 12-step suite. And of course, that ending "I am RESPONSIBLE!"
78. A Fortune In Lies (86th) Pretty good song, chorus can stuck in your head. Charlie does a fantastic job, though the live version with JLB is stellar.
77. The Best Of Times (62nd) The intro and body of the song are a few minutes too long. The feel of the song is good, though, and that outro solo is top tier.
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76. To Live Forever (NR) I do not remember this song.
75. Answering The Call (NR) Don't know it well enough.
74. Through Her Eyes (NR) It's alright, has a couple of nice moments. Maybe could have made my top 100 but not mad about it.
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Dave_Manchester Thanks for sharing your story about losing a parent. Such an emotional period of time (my mother's days on earth will end nearby, due to cancer), music can have such an impact in those times. Glad it did for you back then.
My own 100:
095: I Walk Beside You #80 -15
094: S2n #94 spot on
093: Never Enough #100 +7
089: Only a Matter of Time #82 -7
088: Surrender to Reason #83t -5
087: Forsaken #95 +8
086: Through Her Eyes #74 -12
084: Constant Motion #86 +2
082: The Best of Times #77 -5
078: Behind the Veil #89 +11
077: Afterlife #96 +19
068: The Enemy Inside #83t +15
060: A Fortune in Lies #78 +18
054: The Looking Glass #92 +38
050: Wither #99 +49
048: Transcending Time #90 +42
041: Sleeping Giant #85 +44
040: Answering the Call #75 +45
029: Awaken the Master #81 +52
016: The Shattered Fortress #79 +63
not rankend: #7 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever
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76. To Live Forever (Unranked). Pretty good song, unfortunately the non-album tracks have to work a bit harder to stand out for me since I don't spend as much time with them. Although there were a couple that I liked enough to put on my list.
75. Answering the Call (41). Great intro riff, and I love the pre-chorus/chorus as well. The guitar solo also does something I liked on Behind the Veil, where they put the chorus riff underneath to give it extra momentum.
74. Through Her Eyes (100). A nice ballad which gets better in the context of the album. Coming after a couple of heavier songs, a softer one can be appreciated. I have never felt the need to hear to this outside of a full-album listen, which is why it barely made my list.
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76. To Live Forever NR
75. Answering the Call NR Something with this song rubs me the wrong way. I think it's the strong accent on the "one" almost through the whole song. It also reminds me somehow of Outcry, which, spoilers, I'm not a fan of, either. My favourite part is what MM does in the last 30 seconds. One of only two View-tracks that didn't make my list.
74. Through Her Eyes, only at 92, could have been higher. Beautiful piece, but makes a lot more sense in context of the album.
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Though her eyes joins The Silent Man and Hollow Years as songs that I always skip. In fact, I deleted THE from my iTunes, I dislike it that much. I don’t hate ballads per se, but those songs bring down my DT experience.
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Despite joining this thread late, I’ve opted to still make my own list for comparison to the official top 100. Can anyone tell me if we ranked SDOIT as one song or the 8 separated movements (annd ItPoE as two or the combined)? Also the extra FII demo songs and Eve?
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Despite joining this thread late, I’ve opted to still make my own list for comparison to the official top 100. Can anyone tell me if we ranked SDOIT as one song or the 8 separated movements? Also the extra FII demo songs and Eve?
We ranked Six Degrees as a single song and the choices included everything the band has ever put out: the FII demos, Eve, Raw Dog, the Majesty Demos, even Bombay Vindaloo and the likes.
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Despite joining this thread late, I’ve opted to still make my own list for comparison to the official top 100. Can anyone tell me if we ranked SDOIT as one song or the 8 separated movements? Also the extra FII demo songs and Eve?
We ranked Six Degrees as a single song and the choices included everything the band has ever put out: the FII demos, Eve, Raw Dog, the Majesty Demos, even Bombay Vindaloo and the likes.
Roger that. Assuming the same also goes for ItPoE then. Thanks MM
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To Live Forever #82
Answering The Call #49
Through Her Eyes #72
All good songs, don't get the dislike for Live Forever yes far from essential but still good. Answering The Call was an instant standout on A View and remains so, and Through Her Eyes I thought would rank higher for me but admittedly have tired of it over the years and guess I've ranked The Silent Man for my big ballad result ;D
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Though her eyes joins The Silent Man and Hollow Years as songs that I always skip. In fact, I deleted THE from my iTunes, I dislike it that much. I don’t hate ballads per se, but those songs bring down my DT experience.
Won't be surprised if I'm the highest ranker for both of these. :lol
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Welll, I might beat you with The Silent Man, Hollow Years did good with me, but Silent Man did way better :D
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To Live Forever: Didn't make the cut. Not my cup of tea.
Answering the Call: Ditto
Through Her Eyes: 89. Nice on its own, and incredibly important to SFAM's flow.
The Score so far:
21 - A New Beginning
27 - The Best of Times
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
68 - Our New World
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
89 - Through Her Eyes
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Rated: Never Enough, Wither, Afterlife, Forsaken, S2N, Transcending Time, New Millennium, Constant Motion, Sleeping Giant, The Enemy Inside, Only a Matter if Time, Awaken the Master, I Walk Beside You, The Shattered Fortress, To Live Forever, Answering the Call.
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100. Never Enough - 128
99. Wither - 129
98. The Gift of Music - 79
97. Vacant - 144
96. Afterlife - 57
95. Forsaken - 104
94. S2N - 12
93. Our New World - 60
92. Looking Glass - 113
91. New Beginning - 95
90. Transcending Time - 77
89. Behind the Veil - 30
88. This is the Life - 131
87. New Millennium - 19
86. Constant Motion - 34
85. Sleeping Giant - 130
84. Enemy Inside - 121
83. Surrender to Reason - 40
82. Only a Matter of Time - 31
81. Awaken the Master - 132
80. I Walk Beside You - 134
79. The Shattered Fortress - 85
78. A Fortune In Lies - 56
77. The Best of Times - 87
76. To Live Forever - 59
75. Answering the Call - 123
74. Through Her Eyes - 118
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I might notbe the highest ranker for anything other than my nr 1.
I might be the one with the most number of song that did not rank though....
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I might notbe the highest ranker for anything other than my nr 1.
I might be the one with the most number of song that did not rank though....
My wild guesses so far about which songs of mine might not rank, starting from the bottom:
98, 95, 94, 93, 91, 90, 88, 85, 82, 80, 79, 77, maybe 72, 69, 67, maybe 64, maybe 61 if you're all heartless, 59, likely 52, 40 and 36.
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76. To Live Forever - Did not make the cut. There is a reason why this was never a proper release.
75. Answering The Call - 83 on my list. This is the lowest rated tune from AVFTTOTW on my list. Good song, great riff.
74. Through Her Eyes - 21 for me. Just missed the top 20. I've always loved this song. The fretless bass work, JP's moody guitar work, and especially James' vocal delivery. Even better when listening to the complete album.
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76. To Live Forever - 66 for me. I really like all the versions, but '94 is the best them.
75. Answering The Call - NR. Though, upon listening to it just now, it could (should??) have. Good little track that apparently got lost in the sea of my distaste for the release.
74. Through Her Eyes - 77 for me... Like Ale said, it's very important to the flow of SFAM. You may not like it on it's own, but take it out of the album, and it would be a very strange transition between BTL and Home. Now, if I'm considering the dual track live (JP/Theresa solo AND THE), that could very well be Top 25. Inasmuch as L@B elevates Hollow years, LSFNY elevates this song.
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Sunday morning coffee update!
73. Lost Not Forgotten
Highest Finish: 10 (mariner)
Number of Lists appeared on: 47 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, devieira73, Dittomist, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jonny108, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, Peter Mc, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, wolfking, Zydar)
I didn't have a great impression of this song when I first heard, it's grown on me a little bit though.
72. Fall Into The Light
Highest Finish: 11 (DragonAttack)
Number of Lists appeared on: 50 (Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, jammindude, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaperKK, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I didn't think I'd rank this song high but after doing the ranker I found I liked it a lot more compared to other songs. Didn't crack top 20 for me but it did better than I thought.
71. Honor Thy Father
Highest Finish: 10 (nobloodyname)
Number of Lists appeared on: 46 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, SwedishGoose, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
This song is tough. I love certain parts, like the drumming and the main guitar riffs but boy do I hate the verses. I hate the delivery of those verses, it sounded completely out of James' wheelhouse.
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100. Never Enough (17th) I don't get how this is at 100. This song has many cool parts, especially the instrumental break.
99. Wither (66th) Solid song, when it hits, it's great but it doesn't always warrant a listen.
98. The Gift Of Music (92nd) It's alright. Past entry 82 on my list is stuff that just had to be ranked.
97. Vacant (70th) This song is so awesome on its own and how it leads into SoC
96. Afterlife (98th) See: The Gift of Music
95. Forsaken (87th) It's alright, live is good.
94. S2N (NR) Honestly just not familiar enough with this song yet.
93. Our New World (NR) See: S2N
92. The Looking Glass (54th) This is one of the better tracks off of DT12. Great chorus, surprised it is this low.
91. A New Beginning (NR) Couldn't tell you what album it's from.
90. Transcending Time I really don't like DT12 View at this time, with about 5 listens since returning to the forum last year. But this song stuck out and was good enough to make the list.
89. Behind The Veil (NR) See: A New Beginning
88. This Is The Life (33rd) This song is very underrated. It has a huge atmosphere to it and a great buildup to that final chorus.
87. New Millennium (NR) Not much of a fan of FII, and this song was always skippable to me.
86. Constant Motion (35th) Sometimes you need a straightforward song, DT does it great here, and the instrumental section with the bass and piano is cool as hell.
85. Sleeping Giant (NR)
84. The Enemy Inside (36th) Great, straightforward song, and ranks right next to Constant Motion.
83. Surrender To Reason (64th) This was a mistake to place it at 64th, but by the time I was ranking stuff, I didn't care past a certain point. Relistening now and it's alright, should actually be in the 90s or off my list, so an oversight on my part.
82. Only A Matter Of Time (97th) Not bad, something had to be here.
81. Awaken The Master (NR)
80. I Walk Beside You (43rd) What a great song, when DT does more uplifting/major key stuff, it's really great, usually. Feels very underrated to me. This song has layers to it musically, stuff that feels more subtle than usual. Also fun to play on the bass.
79. The Shattered Fortress (22nd) A few clunky transitions aside, amazing song. Only TGP is the better song in the 12-step suite. And of course, that ending "I am RESPONSIBLE!"
78. A Fortune In Lies (86th) Pretty good song, chorus can stuck in your head. Charlie does a fantastic job, though the live version with JLB is stellar.
77. The Best Of Times (62nd) The intro and body of the song are a few minutes too long. The feel of the song is good, though, and that outro solo is top tier.
76. To Live Forever (NR) I do not remember this song.
75. Answering The Call (NR) Don't know it well enough.
74. Through Her Eyes (NR) It's alright, has a couple of nice moments. Maybe could have made my top 100 but not mad about it.
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73. Lost Not Forgotten (75th) It's pretty okay. Some cool energy in the chorus.
72. Fall Into The Light (NR)
71. Honor Thy Father (78th) I enjoy this but is far and away the worst song on TOT as well.
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73. Lost Not Forgotten - NR. Meh... this song never clicked with me. I'm not sure exactly why - it starts off just fine, but I think it's mostly the chorus, and James' overall delivery. I think the key and time changes were kinda clunky - especially the latter. The unison in the intro is wankery at it's worst.
72. Fall Into The Light - 98. This just snuck in. Almost didn't have it on, but it bumped out a few other songs upon one of my last listening sessions
71. Honor Thy Father - 93. For a long time, this was my least favorite from ToT. It's got some flaws, but it's also got some amazing things about it.
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Lost Not Forgotten - not ranked - only track from ADTOE that didn't make the cut for me. This song really feels like a weak UAGM rip-off in some sections (and I'm not a big fan of UAGM in the first place) and I skip it whenever it comes up.
Fall Into the Light - #70 - love the instrumental section. The rest of the song is solid enough but the instrumental is amazing.
Honor Thy Father - #96 - barely made my list. I don't skip it but I don't love it either. Very middle-of-the-road song, on par with CM and TDEN.
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Fall Into The Light is my favourite song from that album, and the instrumental section is among the best stuff they've ever done. I ranked it at #35.
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73. Lost Not Forgotten - 35 for me. Love the intro, and the rest tickles me.
72. Fall Into The Light - 94 on my list. A good song, but lacking in memorable moments for me.
71. Honor Thy Father - Did not make my top 100, although I think it would have if I didn't use the ranking engine.
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Lost Not Forgotten was 94th for me. It’s great, but even on its parent album it isn’t the strongest.
Fall Into the Light is my 33rd according to the ranking engine, and while I think it’s great, thus could probably drop several places while still staying in the 100.
Honor Thy Father fell 12 places outside of the 100. This really isn’t a favourite for me apart from the opening drum fills.
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A twofer catch up:
To Live Forever: Not rated, it's OK but never wowed me the way some of the other unreleased songs have.
Answering the Call: I was pretty close for this one #78 on my list. One of the standouts from View.
Through Her Eyes: One of the few songs from my favorite album not to make the list. It's a serviceable ballad, and I'd agree with Chad's point about it serving an important function in the flow of SFAM, I just wasn't taking that into account in my rating.
Lost Not Forgotten: I put this at #85. A solid song, though overshadowed by some other gems on ADTOE
Fall Into The Light: Another song where they go full Metallica, but it's a mode I tend to enjoy DT operating in. Lovely middle section as well
Honor Thy Father: I had this a bit higher at #45. I love this song, there are just so many different killer riffs scattered throughout :metal
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76. To Live Forever - placed #91 in the previous countdown, highest ranker then was toro at #11
75. Answering The Call - (-)
74. Through Her Eyes - placed #94 in the previous countdown, highest ranker then was DragonAttack at #35
73. Lost Not Forgotten - was tied #59 in the previous countdown, highest ranker then was TAC at #15
72. Fall Into The Light - placed #43 in the previous countdown, highest ranker then was DragonAttack at #11
71. Honor Thy Father - placed #81 in the previous countdown, highest ranker then was wolfking at #19
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Lost Not Forgotten.... not ranked. It's not bad, I never really connected with it.
Fall Into the Light was my 89. If it had a chorus I would rank it even higher, the song is great and one of the best on d/t.
Honor Thy Father.... not ranked. Absolutely not the way I want heavy DT to go.
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71. Honor Thy Father
This song is tough. I love certain parts, like the drumming and the main guitar riffs but boy do I hate the verses. I hate the delivery of those verses, it sounded completely out of James' wheelhouse.
This has always been the msot confounding aspect of the band to me, that they would have James sing so un-James like on certain songs, not utilizing his strengths.
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Lost Not Forgotten did not make it through the ranker. Listening to it now I can see why. There are many better DT songs in my opinion.
Fall Into the Light did not rank either. See above....
Honor Thy Father snuck in at the bottom place. Some nice parts lift this song into the 100s.
My ranking so far
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
37 Our New World (93)
45 To Live Forever (76)
50 Answering the Call (75)
59 Transcending Time (90)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72)
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79. The Shattered Fortress - 97 for me - I don't have any attachment to the Suite. I like it but don't love it.
78. A Fortune In Lies - Not on the list
77. The Best Of Times - 49 for me. It's beautiful and I was a daddy's girl, so I can relate.
76. to Live Forever - Not on list
75. Answering the Call - 30 for me. At first I didn't care for it. It sounds like some of the Octavarium tracks that I don't like. But, after many listens, it Really grew.
74. Through Her Eyes - not on the list, but I must have made a mistake, because I really like this song. It is a ballad, so maybe that's it. It feels more emotional to me at times than Spirit. Maybe because it's played more.
73. Lost Not Forgotten - 68. I always enjoy it more than I think I will.
72. Fall Into the Light - 59. The solo is Awesome. The rest is really good.
71. Honor Thy Father - I just don't like anything about this song.
I seem to prefer newish DT more than the older, though not exclusively as they have too many great songs throughout. I suspect it is because I came in in 2016. I don't have the same amount of time with the older stuff.
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79. The Shattered Fortress #75 I like the inclusion of the Promises (I think that is what they are) but hate how they are done.
78. A Fortune In Lies NR
77. The Best Of Times #92
76. The Live Forever NR My dislike for this song is inversely proportional to how much the band seems to like it.
75. Answering The Call #60
74. Through Her Eyes NR
73. Lost Not Forgotten #30 Once I got to this song on ADToE after already liking the first two, I knew I was in for something special with this album.
72. Fall Into The Light #34 Love the instrumental section.
71. Honor Thy Father NR
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Though her eyes joins The Silent Man and Hollow Years as songs that I always skip. In fact, I deleted THE from my iTunes, I dislike it that much. I don’t hate ballads per se, but those songs bring down my DT experience.
Wait, so when you listen to Scenes From a Memory it is incomplete? That is blasphemy of the highest order.
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73. Lost Not Forgotten
72. Fall Into The Light
71. Honor Thy Father
Three songs I didn't rank. LNF may have some good parts, but the beginning gave me the same vibes as ITPOE did - as if they were overcompensating for something. FITL embodies what I haven't liked about modern DT - just a very generic metal song. HTF is just awful. In the prior countdown, LNF tied with Lie at #59, FITL came in at #43 (so this is a huge drop), and HTF came in at #81.
List Not Ranked
100 Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall into the Light (72), Honor Thy Father (71)
98
97 This Is the Life (88)
96
95
94
93
92
91
90
89
88
87
86
85
84 Forsaken (95)
83
82
81
80
79 Vacant (97)
78
77
76
75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
74
73
72
71
70
69
68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
67
66
65 Transcending Time (90)
64
63
62
61
60
59 Afterlife (96)
58
57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
56
55
54
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45
44
43
42
41 Through Her Eyes (74)
40
39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
38
37
36
35
34
33
32
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30
29
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26
25
24
23
22
21
20
19
18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
16
15
14
13
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
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5 Only a Matter of Time
20 Lost Not Forgotten
24 This is the Life
26 A New Beginning
28 Fall Into the Light
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
48 A Fortune in Lies
51 Our New World
54 Wither
57 Surrender to Reason
61 I Walk Beside You
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
68 Sleeping Giant
76 Transcending Time
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time
2/3. HTF is a bottom 10 DT song for me, they're doing everything I don't like and nothing I like in that song. I other 2 rank high because they're nice balances of melody and musicianship. LNF could have used some trimming though.
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Honor Thy Father might have been cool as an instrumental track. The lyrics and vocals really drag it down.
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Lost Not Forgotten - none
Fall Into the Light - none
Honor Thy Father - 90
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Lost Not Forgotten is amongst the very few songs I consider to be bad. Can't stand the chorus... that album has similarities with Falling Into Infitiny. They both have some wonderful pieces... and the worst in the whole Dream Theater discography.
Honor Thy Father could probably be close to my top 10 if they didn't include the filmsamples in it. The piece is pure metal where I really can relate to the lyrical theme. Pure class... if only the samples would have been cut out.
My own 100:
095: I Walk Beside You #80 -15
094: S2n #94 spot on
093: Never Enough #100 +7
089: Only a Matter of Time #82 -7
088: Surrender to Reason #83t -5
087: Forsaken #95 +8
086: Through Her Eyes #74 -12
084: Constant Motion #86 +2
083: Fall Into the Light #72 -11
082: The Best of Times #77 -5
078: Behind the Veil #89 +11
077: Afterlife #96 +19
068: The Enemy Inside #83t +15
060: A Fortune in Lies #78 +18
054: The Looking Glass #92 +38
050: Wither #99 +49
048: Transcending Time #90 +42
041: Sleeping Giant #85 +44
040: Answering the Call #75 +45
029: Awaken the Master #81 +52
027: Honor Thy Father #71 +44
016: The Shattered Fortress #79 +63
not rankend: #8 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten
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To Live Forever - unranked, Not close. Shocked this song is in top 100.
Answering the Call - my immediate favourite from the latest album. Lots to like in this song. My rank 58.
Through Her Eyes - a beautiful track on a great album. My rank 41.
Lost Not Forgotten - has grown on me over the years, parts of this song I really love but it is probably a bit much overall. My rank 63.
Fall Into The Light - obviously strong Metallica vibes but it works for me and I love the instrumental section. My rank 56.
Honor Thy Father - nearly had a reveal that cracked my top 20, I ranked this 23. I love the album and this song, I do realise it isn't everyone's tastes but the Train of Thought album was huge for me back in the day and I still really enjoy it.
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73. Lost Not Forgotten
Highest Finish: 10 (mariner)
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72. Fall Into The Light
Highest Finish: 11 (DragonAttack)
Number of Lists appeared on: 50 (Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, jammindude, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaperKK, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
71. Honor Thy Father
Highest Finish: 10 (nobloodyname)
Number of Lists appeared on: 46 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, SwedishGoose, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had Lost Not Forgotten at #11.
My 2nd highest rated Mangini tune. I think this song is amazing. It pulls out some emotion in some of the parts too. The playing is amazing and it's exactly how I like my Dream Theater.
I had Fall Into The Light at #37.
I love this song. It's nice and heavy, but in a natural heavy way, and not fake heavy like in Honor Thy Father.
I had Honor Thy Father as Not Rated.
I wrote this in Alessandro's Scene's Thread yesterday...I'm not a fan of this song. I like some of the sections but on the whole, it's kind of a chore to get through, especially considering the subject matter which I find a bit over the top and cringingly angry. Dream Theater's secret weapon has always been James and they hang him out to dry here.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 Transcending Time
95 Behind The Veil
94 New Milenium
93 Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88
87
86
85
84
83
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79
78
77
76 S2N
75
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72
71
70
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65
64
63 Through Her Eyes
62
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58
57
56
55
54
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46
45
44
43
42
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39
38
37 Fall Into The Light
36
35 The Gift Of Music
34
33
32
31
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25
24
23
22
21
20
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16
15
14 The Best Of Times
13
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
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Lost Not Forgotten: 90. DT heavy metal the right way.
Fall Into the Light: 96. DT heavy metal the smart way.
Honor Thy Father: didn't make the cut. DT heavy metal the worst way.
The Score so far:
21 - A New Beginning
27 - The Best of Times
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
68 - Our New World
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Rated: Never Enough, Wither, Afterlife, Forsaken, S2N, Transcending Time, New Millennium, Constant Motion, Sleeping Giant, The Enemy Inside, Only a Matter of Time, Awaken the Master, I Walk Beside You, The Shattered Fortress, To Live Forever, Answering the Call, Honor Thy Father.
Ranked: 13
Not Ranked: 17
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Lost Not Forgotten: 90. DT heavy metal the right way.
Fall Into the Light: 96. DT heavy metal the smart way.
Honor Thy Father: didn't make the cut. DT heavy metal the worst way.
Your descriptions are close to mine, but I rated both LNF and FiTL way higher.
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A full house today, but these were all ranked fairly low.
Lost Not Forgotten was ranked at #84. One of the growers from this whole process, but not as much as others from the same album.
I had Fall Into The Light at #64, which is higher than I expected it to land. It's that bit that starts around 4 minutes that sells it for me. It's quite simple, but I just love that melody.
Lastly was Honor Thy Father, at #73. I've never hidden the fact that I find ToT to be a pretty mid album. It's not terrible but I don't find it particularly exciting or thrilling. It's just a bunch of Ok DT songs to me. This was my second lowest rated song from that album.
My ranking so far:
13. Wither
20. Never Enough
27. The Best of Times
29. Constant Motion
30. A New Beginning
31. The Shattered Fortress
35. The Enemy Inside
36. I Walk Beside You
44. Through Her Eyes
45. The Looking Glass
49. Forsaken
55. Behind the Veil
62. Surrender to Reason
64. Fall Into the Light
73. Honor Thy Father
80. To Live Forever
83. This is the Life
84. Lost Not Forgotten
86. Our New World
100. New Millennium
Not ranked:
109. Vacant
112. Only a Matter of Time
113. Afterlife
114. A Fortune in Lies
119. Sleeping Giant
121. Awaken the Master
122. Answering the Call
123. Transcending Time
125. S2N
140. The Gift of Music
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Lost Not Forgotten: 90. DT heavy metal the right way.
Fall Into the Light: 96. DT heavy metal the smart way.
Honor Thy Father: didn't make the cut. DT heavy metal the worst way.
Your descriptions are close to mine, but I rated both LNF and FiTL way higher.
Yup, while I feel FITL sits just about right, LNF could have gone higher. It has probably been a victim of ballads, Astonishing tunes and older nostalgia songs I tend to leonise.
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76. The Live Forever - 87 for me. Took a while for me to get it but, it's grown for me over time.
75. Answering The Call - didn't quite make my top 100 but still, it's a cool tune.
74. Through Her Eyes - this reached 25 for me. It's certainly one of the lesser songs from SFAM but, when you consider the songs in question... The intro with John and Theresa is beautiful, as are the vocal melodies throughout the song proper. The bridge is the highlight for me... just so emotional.
73. Lost Not Forgotten - didn't make my list. Like several songs on ADToE, I'm forever put off by the stylistic and structural similarity to a certain track from I&W which is clearly superior. Still, I do rather enjoy the crazy stuff in the first couple of minutes and that first verse riff is just awesome, I love the dirtiness of it.
72. Fall Into The Light - didn't make my list. I like the fast parts and the keyboard solo but as a whole, not that memorable or special.
71. Honor Thy Father - I love this one, and it holds a lot of nostalgic value for me as I became a fan during the Train of Thought era. It got up to 46 for me so whilst I would seem to like it a bit more than most, I'm very glad it's made the overall list at all, let alone this high up. I know that stylistically it won't be everyone's cup of tea, but I just love the almost straight-forward heaviness of it, there's really very few songs like this in DT's catalogue which does make it special. The intro rules, of course. The fact that the rhythm throws you off at the beginning, being deceptively complex - it takes you a while to be certain where the downbeat is. The fast unison parts are awesome. I love the pure aggression and anger of the lyrics and delivery of such, it's always interesting to hear JLB deliver something like this which isn't exactly the style he's known for, but he pulls it off. I like how the section with the samples gradually builds up and then we get a nice keyboard solo before the chorus takes us home. What more can I say, this song's always a good time for me.
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Though her eyes joins The Silent Man and Hollow Years as songs that I always skip. In fact, I deleted THE from my iTunes, I dislike it that much. I don’t hate ballads per se, but those songs bring down my DT experience.
Wait, so when you listen to Scenes From a Memory it is incomplete? That is blasphemy of the highest order.
Yeah, and I drop The Spirit Carries On, as well. Hate them. I’m not wedded to the album as a whole, but some of the tracks are top-tier.
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To Live Forever didn't rank for me. Just never a song I really cared for.
ATC actually came in at number 51! I really disliked the new album when it came out. I don't love it now, but it's grown on me. However ATC from the first listen was the only song I was able to dig. I like it a lot more now again. I don't find it a heavy song but the riff in isolation is heavy as fuck. I like the subtle vocal melodies too and a great solo section.
Through Her Eyes came in at number 86. Probably could have gone higher, it's a beautiful song.
LNF came in at 70. This one and THE probably could easily swap, but meh. It's a decent song with a killer solo.
FITL I had at 66. I disliked this song when the album came out but it was a huge grower. Cool structure, somewhat different and unique, just a cool tune.
HTF is a tune I've loved from the get go. I understand why some might not take to it, but I think it's great. For me, the middle section with all the samples is one of the most intense DT moments ever. I ranked this at number 19.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 To Live Forever
94 Our New World
93 This is the Life
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91
90
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84
83
82 Transcending Time
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80
79
78 Wither
77
76
75
74 The Enemy Inside
73
72
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63
62
61
60
59
58 Afterlife
57
56
55
54
53
52
51 Answering the Call
50
49
48 The Shattered Fortress
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46
45
44
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42 Never Enough
41
40
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38
37
36
35
34
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32 I Walk Beside You
31
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29 Surrender to Reason
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26
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24
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22
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20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
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To Live Forever- NR. It's enjoyable enough but I keep forgetting it even exists
Answering the Call- NR. Nothing about it sounds fresh, exciting, or interesting, but it's still a decent song because Dream Theater rules.
Through Her Eyes- 37
Absolutely gorgeous song and one of my favorites from SFAM
Lost Not Forgotten- 53
Takes us on a wild adventure that includes some of the most frenetic and seizure-inducing of the band's catalog, and also a comforting detour to Images and Words at 7:09.
Fall Into the Light- 20
Should be higher, much much higher! I'm not a big fan of Distance Over Time but this song is just incredible! At just 7 minutes, it has everything a Dream Theater fan could ever want. Like many of you, my favorite part is probably that lovely instrumental section in the middle, but I also think this has one of the coolest endings to any DT song.
Honor Thy Father- 85
Really appreciate all the anger and bitterness in this song. The only part I don't care for at all is the spoken-word section and its overuse of "regret". It makes me long for the cinematic samples of Awake because of how effectively they were used.
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The movie samples wouldn't be so bad but I cannot help associating them with that 3 hours of my life i lost watching that snoozefest.
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79. The Shattered Fortress (NR) the only time I left to buy myself a drink during a show. Nice start, nice ending.
78. A Fortune In Lies (NR) great musical opener, the Marquee is better, but James tries too hard on that one.
77. The Best Of Times (NR) that ending solo is beyond heartbreaking. As with TSF, I skip the vocal sections.
76. To Live Forever (#53) included on my Side Two altered ‘Awake’ disc. Mrs. DA likes it, too.
75. Answering The Call (#51) shorter can be better, probably why this ‘View’ track tops the others for me.
74. Through Her Eyes (#36) might be the wife’s second favorite DT track. James and all really nailed it on the I&W tour.
73. Lost Not Forgotten (NR) the one ADToE tune I’ll always skip because of a couple harsh moments
72. Fall Into The Light (#11) that instrumental……. Damn, this dropped 29 spots from the last countdown. ? ? ?
71. Honor Thy Father (NR) one of my least favorites. I listened up to the echoey rap part and stopped, now knowing why I haven't listened to this in about fifteen years. Tastes ;)
17/30
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76. To Live Forever (#53) included on my Side Two altered ‘Awake’ disc. Mrs. DA likes it, too.
What's the tracklist for the "altered" Awake?
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The movie samples wouldn't be so bad but I cannot help associating them with that 3 hours of my life i lost watching that snoozefest.
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This…just…horrifies me…
I’ll never forget the first time I saw Magnolia.
First hour: I almost shut it off. I hate every single person in this movie. Why the crap am I even watching this dreck?
Second hour: Ok…parts are becoming interesting, but this cannot be worth the time I’ve already invested. What a waste. I swear I’m only going to finish it because I’m 2/3rds through it and I want to know what happens.
Third hour: [everything comes together] [Jammin has been bawling like a baby for 20 straight minutes] That’s one of the greatest movies I’ve ever seen!!!!
It’s a grower, but that’s now easily a top 5 all time movie for me. And it’s cathartic too, because it always makes me cry my eyes out for the entire third act.
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I recall seeing it on a date, perhaps not the best for a 20-something Cool Chris, whose mind was at least partly on the lady at my side. I found nothing redeeming about the entire experience, except for the performances, and my date expressed feeling exactly the same when we left.
I am bothered by the fact that I cannot remember who I saw this with, though I am 100% certain it was on a date. Wikipedia says early 2000 release date... that's not helping.
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Magnolia is a wonderful film! And Honor Thy Father is DT near their best. Hanging James out to dry? No. He puts in a great performance.
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Catching up on the last 9:
79. The Shattered Fortress - 66 - This one has grown on me quite a bit over the years. I initially thought it was a weak ending to the 12-step suite. I now like how it summarizes the previous songs with some changes / changed lyrics / etc...
78. A Fortune In Lies - NR - This song would have ranked in the top 100 for me if JLB had sung the studio version.
77. The Best Of Times - NR - Never has done anything for me.
76. To Live Forever - NR
75. Answering The Call - NR
74. Through Her Eyes - 24 - Always have enjoyed this one. My love for Scenes probably elevated this one higher than it would have been if it wasn't part of a concept album.
73. Lost Not Forgotten - NR - This is probably the song on ADTOE that I enjoy the least. FWIW, I did enjoy it live when I saw DT in 2012.
72. Fall Into The Light - 67 - Decent rocker and I enjoy that instrumental section a lot.
71. Honor Thy Father - 11 - I love everything about this song and I thought I had a shot at being the one who rated it the highest. I could see it eventually moving into my top 10, but not quite this time. I won't go into details, but the lyrics really really really hit close to home for me and are extremely on point. I'd love for them to dust this one off now that Portnoy is back into the band. TOT kicks ass.
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And Honor Thy Father is DT near their best. Hanging James out to dry? No. He puts in a great performance.
Amen to that!
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73. Lost Not Forgotten (52). This has a very grand opening section, and the instrumental section later on is also great. I love the little part at the end of the guitar solo where Jordan does some groovy piano chords underneath.
72. Fall Into the Light (64). I always forget what this sounds like, but when I listen to it I enjoy it quite a bit.
71. Honor Thy Father (Unranked). Some parts of this work well, and others do not. The sample filled breakdown I have never been a fan of, but the keyboard solo following it is excellent.
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I really like that little short bass riff before the first verse in Honor Thy Father (at 01:24).
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A catch up, so to be brief, I'll try to do each song in no more than 5 words.
To Live Forever (NR) - Not even semi-finished.
Answering the Call (NR) - Surprised it is this popular.
Through Her Eyes (83) - Who doesn't love going fretless?
Lost not Forgotten (32) - A positive case for wankery.
Fall into the Light (NR) - I don't remember this one.
Honor Thy Father (92) - The worst song at ToT.
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I've got some catching up to do. I didn't rank The Shattered fortress, To life forever, Answering the call, Lost not forgotten, Fall into the light and Honor thy father.
A Fortune in lies was my #46. Not a lot of complaints about this one, just an impressive prog metal song for 1989.
The Best of times was my #23. Looking back on the list, I'm surprised I ranked it that high. It's still a fantastic songs that contains some of their best musical moments from the era, and it's really an emotional roller coaster. The main theme is absolutely gorgeous.
Through her eyes was my #66. A beautiful ballad that works both in the context of the album and on its own. I remember tearing up hearing it live, it was wonderful.
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So far there are 13 songs in the list that didn't make mine. I'm trying to realistically determine which ones will be left out, and I think it's only logical to start from the bottom of my list and seeing which songs didn't come out yet.
There are some songs I'm confident will be there, I ranked low more than an epic or songs I know are well received from the fanbase. But my estimate is that anything in my list (that is not an epic or an obvious fan favorite) below 74 is toast and won't definitively make the list.
Next ones that I will realize they most likely won't make it are 74, 69 and 67. I still think the highest ranking song that will be left out is my 36, followed by a 40 as well from the same album.
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I had Lost Not Forgotten at #11.
My 2nd highest rated Mangini tune. I think this song is amazing. It pulls out some emotion in some of the parts too. The playing is amazing and it's exactly how I like my Dream Theater.
I could have sworn you've made posts where you mention you don't need DT for them to be 'heavy', that they are at their best in the more TA sounding range?
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154. S2N
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
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97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
85. Constant Motion
80. The Enemy Inside
76. The Shattered Fortress
59. The Gift of Music
54. Answering The Call
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
46. A New Beginning
44. Forsaken
41. The Looking Glass
36. New Millenium
33. Transcending Time
31. The Best Of Times
28. Our New World
23. I Walk Beside You
14. To Live Forever
5. This Is The Life
Not going to comment on every song, but...
- I Walk Beside You: I LOVE this song. Heartfelt, beautiful. I never quite understood the "U2" references (same with To Live Forever). I know the BAND said it - so it must be gospel - but that the band was INSPIRED by it doesn't mean that it SOUNDS LIKE IT. I'm a huge U2 fan, seen them live too many times to count, and frankly, I don't see it. In any event, this is a GREAT song on a GREAT album.
- The Best Of Times: I think Dave said it best, but to add (slightly) to that, it's the emotional expression. That's why I love art in general and music specifically; you get these honest, if imperfect, expressions. Think "Ohio" by CSN&Y. Is that a "great" song? No. Is it an "HONEST" song? Most certainly.
- To Live Forever: I prefer the first version to the second, but another great song and another "headscratching" U2 reference. Don't hear a lot of U2 here, but whatever.
- Answering The Call: They aren't related, not at all, but anyone else read this as an unintended reply to "The Call"?
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70. The Dark Eternal Night
Highest Finish: 6 (ReaperKK)
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There is so much to like about this song. The only strike against it would be the lyrics but really compared to other DT songs it's not even that bad. The whole song rocks from start to finish. I hope I get to see it live sometime.
69. The Alien
Highest Finish: 16 (TAC)
Number of Lists appeared on: 45 (Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, energythief, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I like it but it never really did anything for me, just sort of a forgettable track.
68. The Killing Hand
Highest Finish: 1 (Animal)
Number of Lists appeared on: 45 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Evermind, Fonzie, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lucasembarbosa, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, Wim Kruithof)
Liked this song from the beginning and it only grew on me more and more as time went on. JM really stands out to me on this song.
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A whole lot of catching up to do . . . .
Final Rank - Song - My Rank
79 - The Shattered Fortress - my #51
78 - A Fortune in Lies - my #50
77 - The best of times - my #43 - I listen to DT because of JP, everything else is absolutely wonderful but JP has always been the attraction for me. And this song features some great JP playing.
76 - To live forever - my #80
75 - Answering the Call - my #75 - Spot on, though I heard this in the gym this am and thought it was higher on my list, love this one
74 - Through her eyes - my #55
73 - Lost not Forgotten - my #85
72 - Fall into the light - my #78
71 - Honor thy father - my #67 - Also got this one in the gym today, and did not like it as much as I did when ranking (wtf?)
70 - The dark eternal night - my #66
69 - The Alien - my #71 - I've heard this song so many times and oddly, I'm not bored w it. Banger tune, this one.
68 - The Killing Hand - my #57
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TDEN ... Not ranked. I find there to be no redeeming qualities to this song. From the vocal distortion, to the riffs, to the continuum outro, it's a big miss on every level for me.
The Alien... Not ranked.
The Killing Hand ... And here I thought my #16 placement might be highest, but Animal crushed that. Great song, enhanced with many of the live versions adding 'Another Hand'. Even still, the studio version with Charlie on the mic makes this a worthy Top 20 song (imo).
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The Dark Eternal Night and The Alien didn't rank for me.
The Alien because I ranked 100 other songs higher, TDEN because it blows and it's everything I dislike about DT, and has possibly the cheesiest and cringiest lyrics ever from them.
It's not total "garbage", I must admit the riff is somehow cool and when they played it live, it kinda had its punch, but the ultra cheesy lyrics "we have to show we're metal, here's monsters and mummies and grawls roar" bring it down. It being one of the many songs with a copy and paste solo section that lasts the entire time it took them to write it, 5 minutes, doesn't help either.
The Killing Hand, now we're talking a different story. The Live at the Marquee version is a masterpiece. Congrats Animal for having at number 1. I have it at 62 and now I probably realize I should have ranked it even higher, but hey, the system made the list, it got my top 3 right, so I trusted it. Amazing songs through and through anyway. Could have placed it at least around the 50th mark.
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TDEN because it blows and it's everything I dislike about DT, and has possibly the cheesiest and cringiest lyrics ever from them.
It's not total "garbage", I must admit the riff is somehow cool and when they played it live, it kinda had its punch, but the ultra cheesy lyrics "we have to show we're metal, here's monsters and mummies and grawls roar" bring it down. It being one of the many songs with a copy and paste solo section that lasts the entire time it took them to write it, 5 minutes, doesn't help either.
:iagree:
To rage on TDEN a bit more, imo it's the most egregious demonstration of instrumental wankery - the mid section, and the outro. Just being flashy instrumentalists for the sake of being flashy.
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
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97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
85. Constant Motion
80. The Enemy Inside
76. The Shattered Fortress
59. The Gift of Music
54. Answering The Call
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
46. A New Beginning
44. Forsaken
41. The Looking Glass
36. New Millenium
33. Transcending Time
31. The Best Of Times
28. Our New World
23. I Walk Beside You
14. To Live Forever
5. This Is The Life
A whole lotta "NOT RANKED" for me today. None of these are particularly good songs as far as I am concerned.
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Dark Eternal - If I’d submitted my list on time, I would be the highest ranked, as this is my number 5. I absolutely love this song. You never forget your first DT opener, and this was mine.
Alien - This fell down to 119. I really don’t have a huge appreciation for View overall.
Killing Hand - This was my 86, great song and a huge nod to who they would become.
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That TDEN riff at the end is totally like this though.
(https://imgb.ifunny.co/images/96859ddebb1545fa982ef2e054963505b4ec8939a07b3844cb5111c82f062a46_1.jpg)
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TDEN because it blows and it's everything I dislike about DT, and has possibly the cheesiest and cringiest lyrics ever from them.
It's not total "garbage", I must admit the riff is somehow cool and when they played it live, it kinda had its punch, but the ultra cheesy lyrics "we have to show we're metal, here's monsters and mummies and grawls roar" bring it down. It being one of the many songs with a copy and paste solo section that lasts the entire time it took them to write it, 5 minutes, doesn't help either.
:iagree:
To rage on TDEN a bit more, imo it's the most egregious demonstration of instrumental wankery - the mid section, and the outro. Just being flashy instrumentalists for the sake of being flashy.
Man TDEN is getting a pounding here :lol. I've personally grown pretty tired of the solo trade off section in many DT songs but it really works in TDEN IMO. I think there are many more examples of instrumental wankery (see "Endless Sacrifice")
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TDEN because it blows and it's everything I dislike about DT, and has possibly the cheesiest and cringiest lyrics ever from them.
It's not total "garbage", I must admit the riff is somehow cool and when they played it live, it kinda had its punch, but the ultra cheesy lyrics "we have to show we're metal, here's monsters and mummies and grawls roar" bring it down. It being one of the many songs with a copy and paste solo section that lasts the entire time it took them to write it, 5 minutes, doesn't help either.
:iagree:
To rage on TDEN a bit more, imo it's the most egregious demonstration of instrumental wankery - the mid section, and the outro. Just being flashy instrumentalists for the sake of being flashy.
Man TDEN is getting a pounding here :lol. I've personally grown pretty tired of the solo trade off section in many DT songs but it really works in TDEN IMO. I think there are many more examples of instrumental wankery (see "Endless Sacrifice")
Oh, there are LOTS of examples of horrible instrumental wankery - I just hear TDEN as being one of the worst. Also, feel free to rag back on me when we get to ES, and my rating of it. :lol
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The Alien is - to me - the ultimate Mangini-pearl he contributed to the band. That time signature from the get go is badass. Ofcourse he delivered lyrics for Room 137 as well, but can't call that something to be exited about.
I can't imagine anyone would not have The Killing Hand in their top 100... easily the best Dominici-song, although I like the Marquee-version even more.
Being in the 60's now, I start to 'worry' some stand-out songs are not going to make it in the end...
My own 100:
095: I Walk Beside You #80 -15
094: S2n #94 spot on
093: Never Enough #100 +7
090: The Alien #69 - 21
089: Only a Matter of Time #82 -7
088: Surrender to Reason #83t -5
087: Forsaken #95 +8
086: Through Her Eyes #74 -12
084: Constant Motion #86 +2
083: Fall Into the Light #72 -11
082: The Best of Times #77 -5
078: Behind the Veil #89 +11
077: Afterlife #96 +19
068: The Enemy Inside #83t +15
060: A Fortune in Lies #78 +18
054: The Looking Glass #92 +38
050: Wither #99 +49
048: Transcending Time #90 +42
042: The Killing Hand #68 +26
041: Sleeping Giant #85 +44
040: Answering the Call #75 +45
029: Awaken the Master #81 +52
027: Honor Thy Father #71 +44
016: The Shattered Fortress #79 +63
not rankend: #9 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night
ReaperKK you're doing a great job, thanks for this wonderful thread. Can't wait till the 2026-version (with #16 involved) drops...
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Not going to comment on every song, but...
- I Walk Beside You: I LOVE this song. Heartfelt, beautiful. I never quite understood the "U2" references (same with To Live Forever). I know the BAND said it - so it must be gospel - but that the band was INSPIRED by it doesn't mean that it SOUNDS LIKE IT. I'm a huge U2 fan, seen them live too many times to count, and frankly, I don't see it. In any event, this is a GREAT song on a GREAT album.
- To Live Forever: I prefer the first version to the second, but another great song and another "headscratching" U2 reference. Don't hear a lot of U2 here, but whatever.
Regarding I Walk Beside You and U2, I think it’s mostly in the chorus and how James sings it, but it is more of a modern U2 sound (think some of the Atomic Bomb stuff like City of Blinding Lights or Yahweh). It’s also got a bit of a “when Coldplay sounds like U2 vibe” to it.
To Live Forever is only sort of U2-ish in the sense that JP uses a delay (I think?) in places.
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TDEN because it blows and it's everything I dislike about DT, and has possibly the cheesiest and cringiest lyrics ever from them.
It's not total "garbage", I must admit the riff is somehow cool and when they played it live, it kinda had its punch, but the ultra cheesy lyrics "we have to show we're metal, here's monsters and mummies and grawls roar" bring it down. It being one of the many songs with a copy and paste solo section that lasts the entire time it took them to write it, 5 minutes, doesn't help either.
:iagree:
To rage on TDEN a bit more, imo it's the most egregious demonstration of instrumental wankery - the mid section, and the outro. Just being flashy instrumentalists for the sake of being flashy.
Man TDEN is getting a pounding here :lol. I've personally grown pretty tired of the solo trade off section in many DT songs but it really works in TDEN IMO. I think there are many more examples of instrumental wankery (see "Endless Sacrifice")
Oh, there are LOTS of examples of horrible instrumental wankery - I just hear TDEN as being one of the worst. Also, feel free to rag back on me when we get to ES, and my rating of it. :lol
Just checked your list, I think I need a drink...
ReaperKK you're doing a great job, thanks for this wonderful thread. Can't wait till the 2025-version (with #16 involved) drops...
Thank you! :) hopefully by next go around I'll have a better system set up :)
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I have never liked The Killing Hand. TDEN is one of those one and done DT tracks for me.
The Alien I’ve listened to a few times and there are parts of it I find pretty cool (the solo and instrumental section are great), and others are a bit forgettable.
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ReaperKK you're doing a great job, thanks for this wonderful thread. Can't wait till the 2026-version (with #16 involved) drops...
Wait, do we only these every two years? Merde. Can we go again?
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Being in the 60's now, I start to 'worry' some stand-out songs are not going to make it in the end...
Well it's math, every song that is not in your list but in the official one, requires one song of your list to go.
And it's only logical that the songs that you ranked lower in your list won't make it.
I've already calculated how many songs of mine are basically certain to not be in the official list.
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Oh, there are LOTS of examples of horrible instrumental wankery - I just hear TDEN as being one of the worst. Also, feel free to rag back on me when we get to ES, and my rating of it. :lol
Just checked your list, I think I need a drink...
The same drink I'm having for TDEN being #6 on your list!! :lol :lol
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/BPJmthQ3YRwD6QqcVD/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952jpcteek3w59ibrafksdalmjwqg85bobvs16vafyx&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
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Being in the 60's now, I start to 'worry' some stand-out songs are not going to make it in the end...
Well it's math, every song that is not in your list but in the official one, requires one song of your list to go.
And it's only logical that the songs that you ranked lower in your list won't make it.
I've already calculated how many songs of mine are basically certain to not be in the official list.
I know, but although I might be mostly in the middle in the fanbase, I do have some extraordinary (or weird) bricks in my wall, so some songs I ranked pretty high might still not make the overall list, like Another Won or Another Hand - The Killing Hand. And that would be a disaster.
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The Dark Eternal Night did not rank for me. It's not bad just not what I want out of DT.
The Alien got to place 75. Definiteley not my favorite from View but a fine tune.
The Killing Hand could possibly have ranked had I listened and not rated from memory. But it's hard for me to see beyond the production.
My ranking so far
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
37 Our New World (93)
45 To Live Forever (76)
50 Answering the Call (75)
59 Transcending Time (90)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
75 The Alien (69)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68)
Rated: 15
Not rated: 18
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70. The Dark Eternal Night
Highest Finish: 6 (ReaperKK)
69. The Alien
Highest Finish: 16 (TAC)
Now I know how I look like an utter lunatic having Vacant on 15. These takes are ridiculous to me. :)
The Dark Eternal Night - #97 - only because I had to add a few more songs to get to the Top 100. The riff is pretty good.
The Alien - not ranked - does absolutely nothing for me. In fact it was a huge turn-off when I listened to AVFTTOTW the first time.
The Killing Hand - #85 - one of the few WDADU tracks that made my list. This song is pretty good and I could've ranked it a few spots higher.
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70. The Dark Eternal Night - ranked #78 in the previous countdown, highest ranker then was devieira73 at #15
I had it at #70, so spot on. Nothing much to complain about really, I don't have a problem with the lyrics since they went for this comic book lyrical theme on SC (Forsaken, ITPOE, this one) anyway.
69. The Alien - (-)
This ranked #93 for me, one of the few memorable moments on the latest album. Impressive that they got the Grammy for this one.
68. The Killing Hand - ranked #48 in the previous countdown, highest ranker then was TAC at #4
This missed my Top 100. It has never interested me, sadly.
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The Dark eternal night was my #89. It's ridiculous but also very entertaining. I love the riffs and the chorus, but that instrumental section is what gets me going the most.
The Alien was my #37. The best song on the last album and also one of my favorites in the Mangini era. Just brilliant.
I didn't rank The Killing hand. It's kind of overrated because it's so messy and angular. They hadn't cracked the code yet.
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Briefly catching up on what I've missed...
10. The Best of Times (-7)
18. The Shattered Fortress (+6)
24. The Dark Eternal Night (+9)
35. Constant Motion (+29)
37. A New Beginning (-7)
40. Sleeping Giant
46. Fall Into The Light (-10)
58. S2N (+1)
59. The Enemy Inside (-10)
61. Awaken the Master
63. The Gift of Music
71. Transcending Time
78. The Killing Hand (-37)
84. This is the Life (-12)
87. A Fortune in Lies (+18)
88. I Walk Beside You (+31)
89. Never Enough
90. Wither
93. Vacant (+4)
94. Through Her Eyes (-13)
100. Our New World (+3)
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105. Answering the Call
109. The Alien
122. Lost Not Forgotten (-9)
123. Behind the Veil (-2)
130. The Looking Glass (+1)
131. Forsaken (-4)
139. Only a Matter of Time (-10)
142. Afterlife (-7)
147. Surrender to Reason (-10)
148. New Millennium (-8)
149. Honor Thy Father (-7)
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Unranked: To Live Forever
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The Dark Eternal Night - #15 - Loved this song from the first time I watched the studio music video. Kick ass riff and the instrumental section is fun (although, the outro instrumental section does kinda goes on forever). Lyrics are a bit goofy, but it is about a pharaoh coming back from the dead to terrorize people. So, it would be difficult to be anything else with that subject matter. I enjoy the vocal delivery/effects. Something different, but not in a bad way for me.
I did think it was a weird opener for the 2017 tour.
The Alien - UR - I forced myself to listen to it enough after it was released to go from "oy vey" to "meh." That makes it my "favorite" from View at this point. I'm happy they won a Grammy, but they have so many songs that are better than this one.
The Killing Hand - UR - Not my thing at all.
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The Dark Eternal Night - 47
This is the only song from SC that made my list at all. The only thing on the album that sounded inspired to me. (Well, ITPOE1 is excellent is well, but ITPOE2 completely ruins it). It’s hard for me to fathom anyone ragging on the lyrics to TDEN and then giving the “dark master” section a pass. In fact, while I admit that TDEN is not Shakespeare, it’s actually the *least* cringy lyrics on that entire album.
The Alien - 66
Fantastic album opener. Still spin this one. View was such a strong album. I really glad they ended the MM era on a high note.
The Killing Hand - 28
My 2nd highest from WDADU, but I don’t think my #1 will make the list at all since it seems to be universally panned for reasons I have yet to comprehend.
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Listening to The Best of Times again, it is really good, but I stand to my opinion that the song should begin at that "Rush part" (I know I'm almost alone on that). It would benefit the overall flow of the song. Also I think the main theme, while really beautiful, was repeated so many times in the song (2 times in the slow intro, with violin and acoustic guitar, in the instrumental section with the keyboards, at the ending guitar solo, a couple more times), that takes out its impact IMO. I didn't rank the song, but I think it really deserved to be around #80.
I would highlight the live versions of The Shattered Fortress from Breaking the 4th Wall (didn't rank it, it's only my 4th favorite song from the suite) and Through Her Eyes from Live Scenes (my# 100), with that intro with Theresa Thompson.
Lost Not Forgotten (my #15) is my 2nd fave Mangini era song. It IS that good!
TDEN (my # 23) and The Alien (my# 24) are heavy killer songs, all their instrumental sections are amazing! I must say that the drumming on The Alien is one of the most impressive things Mangini did on DT. Incredible! :hefdaddy
The Killing Hand (my #82) is really cool and I must say that acoustic intro from the studio version maybe is my favorite acoustic guitar played by JP.
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100. Never Enough (17th) I don't get how this is at 100. This song has many cool parts, especially the instrumental break.
99. Wither (66th) Solid song, when it hits, it's great but it doesn't always warrant a listen.
98. The Gift Of Music (92nd) It's alright. Past entry 82 on my list is stuff that just had to be ranked.
97. Vacant (70th) This song is so awesome on its own and how it leads into SoC
96. Afterlife (98th) See: The Gift of Music
95. Forsaken (87th) It's alright, live is good.
94. S2N (NR) Honestly just not familiar enough with this song yet.
93. Our New World (NR) See: S2N
92. The Looking Glass (54th) This is one of the better tracks off of DT12. Great chorus, surprised it is this low.
91. A New Beginning (NR) Couldn't tell you what album it's from.
90. Transcending Time I really don't like DT12 View at this time, with about 5 listens since returning to the forum last year. But this song stuck out and was good enough to make the list.
89. Behind The Veil (NR) See: A New Beginning
88. This Is The Life (33rd) This song is very underrated. It has a huge atmosphere to it and a great buildup to that final chorus.
87. New Millennium (NR) Not much of a fan of FII, and this song was always skippable to me.
86. Constant Motion (35th) Sometimes you need a straightforward song, DT does it great here, and the instrumental section with the bass and piano is cool as hell.
85. Sleeping Giant (NR)
84. The Enemy Inside (36th) Great, straightforward song, and ranks right next to Constant Motion.
83. Surrender To Reason (64th) This was a mistake to place it at 64th, but by the time I was ranking stuff, I didn't care past a certain point. Relistening now and it's alright, should actually be in the 90s or off my list, so an oversight on my part.
82. Only A Matter Of Time (97th) Not bad, something had to be here.
81. Awaken The Master (NR)
80. I Walk Beside You (43rd) What a great song, when DT does more uplifting/major key stuff, it's really great, usually. Feels very underrated to me. This song has layers to it musically, stuff that feels more subtle than usual. Also fun to play on the bass.
79. The Shattered Fortress (22nd) A few clunky transitions aside, amazing song. Only TGP is the better song in the 12-step suite. And of course, that ending "I am RESPONSIBLE!"
78. A Fortune In Lies (86th) Pretty good song, chorus can stuck in your head. Charlie does a fantastic job, though the live version with JLB is stellar.
77. The Best Of Times (62nd) The intro and body of the song are a few minutes too long. The feel of the song is good, though, and that outro solo is top tier.
76. To Live Forever (NR) I do not remember this song.
75. Answering The Call (NR) Don't know it well enough.
74. Through Her Eyes (NR) It's alright, has a couple of nice moments. Maybe could have made my top 100 but not mad about it.
73. Lost Not Forgotten (75th) It's pretty okay. Some cool energy in the chorus.
72. Fall Into The Light (NR)
71. Honor Thy Father (78th) I enjoy this but is far and away the worst song on TOT as well.
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70. The Dark Eternal Night (26th) WTF why is this song so low? Don't take it seriously. I did when it first came out and then realized that this is supposed to be a fun song. I love playing the intro riff on the keyboard.
69. The Alien (NR) I do know this song, and it's meh. Maybe more time would move it up.
68. The Killing Hand (96th) In my top 100 for "the killing haaaaaaaand"
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I would highlight the live versions ... Through Her Eyes from Live Scenes (my# 100), with that intro with Theresa Thompson.
:hifive: I did!!!
74. Through Her Eyes - 77 for me... Like Ale said, it's very important to the flow of SFAM. You may not like it on it's own, but take it out of the album, and it would be a very strange transition between BTL and Home. Now, if I'm considering the dual track live (JP/Theresa solo AND THE), that could very well be Top 25. Inasmuch as L@B elevates Hollow years, LSFNY elevates this song.
70. The Dark Eternal Night (26th) WTF why is this song so low? Don't take it seriously.
Trust me, I don't! :lol
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Bro, you don't like that intro? It's the best part.
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Bro, you don't like that intro? It's the best part.
I think I vomit in my ears a little every time I hear it. IIRC, this was their first Roadrunner release, yes? To me, it screamed "LISTEN TO US, WE'RE HEAVY, WE'RE HIP, AND WE CAN WRITE BR00TAL RIFFS!!"
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Haha, but they pulled it off well!
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Haha, but they pulled it off well!
I'm glad you and others like it. Sincerely.
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I would highlight the live versions ... Through Her Eyes from Live Scenes (my# 100), with that intro with Theresa Thompson.
:hifive: I did!!!
74. Through Her Eyes - 77 for me... Like Ale said, it's very important to the flow of SFAM. You may not like it on it's own, but take it out of the album, and it would be a very strange transition between BTL and Home. Now, if I'm considering the dual track live (JP/Theresa solo AND THE), that could very well be Top 25. Inasmuch as L@B elevates Hollow years, LSFNY elevates this song.
So... in fact, I second that ;)
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The Dark Eternal Night - (NR) Not the kind of DT I like.
The Alien (94) A solid song from a solid album but it could win only few direct comparisons in the ranker.
The Killing Hand (1) I knew this would be one of odd choices for n. 1. But I definitely didn't expect it to be the lowest ranking n. 1 song (if we exclude n.1s that are outside the collective Top 100). The Killing Hand is one of my Top 6 DT songs, which I consider S++tier (the other 5 are much more ordinary choices). Any of them could have been my n. 1, but TKH got the nod in the end. The main reason is that this is probably the most vocal/singing-centric DT song (excluding the ballads). I love how, once the vocal melody has started, the song slowly progresses without any sharp breaks or distinctive sections, but also without repetitions, choruses etc. I feelcompletely drawn into the story, even though I have little idea what it is about. It just grabs me and won't let go.
As for the versions, JingleBoy has already said it. So I'll just add that when ranking, I am thinking of my ideal version, one that somehow manages to combine the album version acoustic intro with Another Hand, and the vocals that are mix of the 1992 bootleg version (James had the best tone then) with some of the Marquee version (the screams).
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Rank - Song Name (My Ranking)
100. Never Enough - my 59
99. Wither - my 92
98. The Gift Of Music (No ranking)
97. Vacant - my 29
96. Afterlife (No ranking)
95. Forsaken - my 21 - I was the high vote for this one!
94. S2N (No ranking)
93. Our New World (No ranking)
92. The Looking Glass - my 83
91. A New Beginning (No ranking)
90. Transcending Time (No ranking)
89. Behind The Veil (No ranking)
88. This Is The Life - my 82
87. New Millennium - my 16
86. Constant Motion - my 84
Latest Batch
85. Sleeping Giant (No ranking)
83t. The Enemy Inside (No ranking)
83t. Surrender To Reason - my 67
82. Only A Matter Of Time (No ranking)
81. Awaken The Master (No ranking)
80. I Walk Beside You - my 35
79. The Shattered Fortress - my 100
78. A Fortune In Lies (No ranking)
77. The Best Of Times - my 96
76. To Live Forever - my 85
75. Answering The Call (No ranking)
74. Through Her Eyes - my 50
73. Lost Not Forgotten - my 15
72. Fall Into The Light (No ranking)
71. Honor Thy Father - my 69
70. The Dark Eternal Night (No ranking)
69. The Alien - my 86
68. The Killing Hand (No ranking)
Of the latest batch:
- 9 songs below #100 for me
- #100 (The Shattered Fortress) has reared it's weak head
- I think I forgot to rank Fall Into the Light as I like it more than a number of the songs at the bottom of my list. C'est la vie.
- Based on the general sentiment in the forum, I was surprised to not be the highest vote for LNF
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5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
20 Lost Not Forgotten
24 This is the Life
26 A New Beginning
28 Fall Into the Light
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
48 A Fortune in Lies
51 Our New World
54 Wither
55 The Alien
57 Surrender to Reason
61 I Walk Beside You
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
68 Sleeping Giant
76 Transcending Time
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time
Jingle and MirrorMask and Stads you are correct that TDEN blows chunks, I didn't even enter it into the ranker. Now as far as TKH goes, I had it #6 but a couple other dudes bested that. The Alien is a cool song but didn't need to be as long as it was.
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70. The Dark Eternal Night
Highest Finish: 6 (ReaperKK)
Number of Lists appeared on: 43 (Adami, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, devieira73, Dittomist, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, lightningbolt, mariner, Metro, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, Revenge319, romdrums, TAC, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, wolfking, Zydar)
69. The Alien
Highest Finish: 16 (TAC)
Number of Lists appeared on: 45 (Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, energythief, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
68. The Killing Hand
Highest Finish: 1 (Animal)
Number of Lists appeared on: 45 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Evermind, Fonzie, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lucasembarbosa, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, Wim Kruithof)
Wow, three of my favorite DT tracks!
I had The Dark Eternal Night at #22.
It's campy and all, but holy shit does it smoke when it gets going.
I had The Alien at #16.
I think this is one of their best songs. I do. Great instrumentally and melodically.
I had The Killing Hand at #4
Has been a favorite of mine since Day 1.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 Transcending Time
95 Behind The Veil
94 New Milenium
93 Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88
87
86
85
84
83
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79
78
77
76 S2N
75
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72
71
70
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65
64
63 Through Her Eyes
62
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58
57
56
55
54
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46
45
44
43
42
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39
38
37 Fall Into The Light
36
35 The Gift Of Music
34
33
32
31
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25
24
23
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21
20
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15
14 The Best Of Times
13
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10
9
8
7
6
5
4 The Killing Hand
3
2
1
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I was looking ahead and thinking of my top 10, and how many songs I could be top ranker for.
Number 1 and 2 are fairly traditional choices, I won't be the only one with my number 1, and many will have my 2 at top song.
Number 3... I could be the highest ranker, maybe there are other silent lovers of that song.
Number 4 I'm totally expecting to be the highest ranker.
Number 5... no way it's not someone's top 3 or favorite song period.
From number 6 to number 9... it's anyone's guess, I could be the highest ranker for some, for all, or for none of them.
Number 10 is like number 5: no way several people do not have this song way higher, and possibly at number 1.
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Only one of the three today, but The Dark Eternal Night is my second highest ranked so far.
The Alien and The Killing Hand both missed the cut, but I'm pretty sure they were both in my original top 100. Either way, they're OK, but ultimately nothing special for me. The Alien is a really nice heavy track that should really strike a chord with me, based on other songs in a similar vein that I enjoy. But again, it's just unfamiliarity that scuppers it's chances.
The Dark Eternal Night though, ho boy! Plenty of people with something to say about the lyrics, but I couldn't even tell you many of the lyrics, my ears are too preoccupied! Love the riffs, love the whole instrumental section, this was one of the songs that sold Systematic Chaos (and ultimately the band in general) to me. Just fucking great stuff.
Bro, you don't like that intro? It's the best part.
I think I vomit in my ears a little every time I hear it. IIRC, this was their first Roadrunner release, yes? To me, it screamed "LISTEN TO US, WE'RE HEAVY, WE'RE HIP, AND WE CAN WRITE BR00TAL RIFFS!!"
Wait, are you talking about Train of Thought? These are my thoughts on most of the album, to be honest. The Dark Eternal Night is infinitely better than any song on ToT.
My ranking so far:
13. Wither
18. The Dark Eternal Night
20. Never Enough
27. The Best of Times
29. Constant Motion
30. A New Beginning
31. The Shattered Fortress
35. The Enemy Inside
36. I Walk Beside You
44. Through Her Eyes
45. The Looking Glass
49. Forsaken
55. Behind the Veil
62. Surrender to Reason
64. Fall Into the Light
73. Honor Thy Father
80. To Live Forever
83. This is the Life
84. Lost Not Forgotten
86. Our New World
100. New Millennium
Not ranked:
109. Vacant
112. Only a Matter of Time
113. Afterlife
114. A Fortune in Lies
115. The Killing Hand
119. Sleeping Giant
121. Awaken the Master
122. Answering the Call
123. Transcending Time
124. The Alien
125. S2N
140. The Gift of Music
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The Dark Eternal Night: didn't make the cut, despite a couple of minutes of prog bliss and a grimy outro ad lib.
The Alien: didn't make the cut. Flirting with self-plagiarism.
The Killing Hand: 92. DT at its 80est.
The Score so far:
21 - A New Beginning
27 - The Best of Times
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
68 - Our New World
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
92 - The Killing Hand
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 19
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The Dark Eternal Night - none
The Alien - none
The Killing Hand - 18
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Bro, you don't like that intro? It's the best part.
I think I vomit in my ears a little every time I hear it. IIRC, this was their first Roadrunner release, yes? To me, it screamed "LISTEN TO US, WE'RE HEAVY, WE'RE HIP, AND WE CAN WRITE BR00TAL RIFFS!!"
Wait, are you talking about Train of Thought? These are my thoughts on most of the album, to be honest. The Dark Eternal Night is infinitely better than any song on ToT.
Ha! TASTESTM!!!
But presumably we've got at least four 4 more songs (potentially all 5) to come from ToT, I know which side of the TASTESTM I'm on ;) :-*
P.S. TDEN also screamed "WE'RE HIP - WE HAVE GROWLS (as long as we apply this distortion effect to James voice)"
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The Dark Eternal Night - this is a strange song. I didn't rank it but I have probably really enjoyed it at times and other times can get onboard the 'it blows chunks' point of view. So I guess when I did the ranker I was thinking blows chunks.
The Alien - really like the music in this song, enough to rank it 81.
The Killing Hand - looking at my list, I should have ranked this higher. It made it to 69 for me (just missed the consensus!) but it is better than that.
Currently I have 24 ranked, 9 unranked.
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In other thoughts - how did The Alien win them the Grammy? Was it a matter of "I guess it's time for DT to get a win for something"?
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73. Lost not Forgotten (92) - I really dig the imagery suggested by the lyrics and music. Kind of Prince of Persia-esque, in a way.
72. Fall into the Light (NR) - The absence of a chorus (which I didn't realize until this topic) makes it suffer. Unlike Constant Motion, which to me is Metallica made better ( :hat ), this one reminds me of the less exciting aspects of late-period Metallica. It's an earnest song, though, so it's not like I'm happy about not digging it.
71. Honor Thy Father (28) - ToT was one of the two albums I first got by the band (the other being Awake, which will explain the ridiculously high rankings most of that album got in my list). At the time, I was a 13-year-old with a taste for both metal and hip hop, so James' rapping was always a plus, not a minus. Very tasty instrumentals (John Myung really, REALLY owns things in the chorus), great sample-based part... And it's my second-favorite in ToT! It helps that MP is so earnest in the lyrics too (though I can't say I understand 100% of the subject matter, barring it being about his stepfather issue). It might've been my favorite song of all time in my early teens too! Not to mention at school, we had an assignment at English class to prepare a "listen to the words and fill in the blanks" exercise... and I subjected my colleagues and teacher to this 10-minute monstrosity. No regrets! But I get why the others were baffled at my song choice :lol
70. The Dark Eternal Night (23) - BLACK. FOR-CES! Yep, a big one for me. They could keep this song in every setlist for all I care. Ending's so good, they had to do it again for S2N (another personal favorite).
69. The Alien (NR) - Not my cup of tea. Glad it got them a Grammy, though.
68. The Killing Hand (47) - Epic. Fantastic.
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In other thoughts - how did The Alien win them the Grammy? Was it a matter of "I guess it's time for DT to get a win for something"?
That's what I'd imagine.
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70. The Dark Eternal Night
69. The Alien
68. The Killing Hand
I had TDEN at #67. I wasn't a huge fan originally, but I changed my view mostly after seeing it live on the I&W&B tour. It's not great, but it's fun. It came in at #78 in the prior countdown.
I had The Alien at #55, and I'm honestly not sure how it got that high. I guess it was a product of the hurried manner in which I put my list together. I like it well enough, but it should have been about 20 spots lower. Oh well.
The Killing Hand is my favorite song from WDADU. I had it at #15 and thought I might be high ranker, but you can't beat a #1. It's a great song, but the Live at the Marquee recording puts it into the elite level of DT songs. I'm disappointed that it's this low in the countdown, especially since it finished at #48 in the prior countdown.
List Not Ranked
100 Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall into the Light (72), Honor Thy Father (71)
98
97 This Is the Life (88)
96
95
94
93
92
91
90
89
88
87
86
85
84 Forsaken (95)
83
82
81
80
79 Vacant (97)
78
77
76
75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
74
73
72
71
70
69
68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
67 The Dark Eternal Night (70)
66
65 Transcending Time (90)
64
63
62
61
60
59 Afterlife (96)
58
57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
56
55 The Alien (69)
54
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45
44
43
42
41 Through Her Eyes (74)
40
39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
38
37
36
35
34
33
32
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30
29
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26
25
24
23
22
21
20
19
18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
16
15 The Killing Hand (68)
14
13
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
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I am way, way behind on this so I will just list these songs and show where they ranked in my rankings.
100. Never Enough - (Did Not Rank)
99. Wither - (Did Not Rank)
98. The Gift Of Music - (#54)
97. Vacant - (Did Not Rank)
96. Afterlife - (#91)
95. Forsaken - (Did Not Rank)
94. S2N - (#73)
93. Our New World - (Did Not Rank)
92. The Looking Glass - (Did Not Rank)
91. A New Beginning - (#97)
90. Transcending Time - (Did Not Rank) (Although, I do really enjoy this song)
89. Behind The Veil - (#67)
88. This Is The Life - (#49)
87. New Millennium - (Did Not Rank)
86. Constant Motion - (Did Not Rank)
85. Sleeping Giant - (Did Not Rank)
83t. The Enemy Inside - (Did Not Rank) (I really enjoy the energy of this song a lot)
83t. Surrender To Reason - (#74)
82. Only A Matter Of Time - (#42)
81. Awaken The Master - (#13)
80. I Walk Beside You - (#64)
79. The Shattered Fortress - (#35)
78. A Fortune In Lies - (#89)
77. The Best Of Times - (#50)
76. To Live Forever - (#76) (So glad I was fortunate to see this on the I&W&B tour)
75. Answering The Call - (#11)
74. Through Her Eyes - (#34)
73. Lost Not Forgotten - (Did Not Rank)
72. Fall Into The Light - (#48)
71. Honor Thy Father - (#99)
70. The Dark Eternal Night - (Did Not Rank)
69. The Alien - (Did Not Rank)
68. The Killing Hand - (Did Not Rank)
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TDEN came in at number 44 for me. It certainly is getting a lot of hate but it's a fun, enjoyable song. The breakdown riff at the end is cool as fuck if you ask me.
The Alien actually made my list at 95. I was so disappointed when this song was released, truthfully, I never really took to it but as I started to slightly warm to the new album, this became more enjoyable.
TKH I didn't rank it. It's fine, I'm just not a big fan of the debut album.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life
92
91
90
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79
78 Wither
77
76
75
74 The Enemy Inside
73
72
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63
62
61
60
59
58 Afterlife
57
56
55
54
53
52
51 Answering the Call
50
49
48 The Shattered Fortress
47
46
45
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43
42 Never Enough
41
40
39
38
37
36
35
34
33
32 I Walk Beside You
31
30
29 Surrender to Reason
28
27
26
25
24
23
22
21
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18
17
16
15
14
13
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
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The Dark Eternal Night is awful. There is nothing redeeming about it whatsoever.
It is the Magnolia of DT songs.
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The Dark Eternal Night is awful. There is nothing redeeming about it whatsoever.
It is the Magnolia of DT songs.
The HOA President of volunteer jobs!
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The Dark Eternal Night is awful. There is nothing redeeming about it whatsoever.
It is the Magnolia of DT songs.
Quite the accomplishment given Honor Thy Father exists… While TDEN might have nothing redeeming it’s got the oomph and direction that lots of SC has, and BCSL doesn’t. I didn’t rank it highly here, but when the album was released I was all in.
Probably you and lots of others saw in TDEN the warning signs that they didn’t have much left to say, creativity speaking.
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70. The Dark Eternal Night (Unranked). Like Constant Motion, some interesting instrumental ideas are dampened by the vocal sections. Although, I like this one slightly more.
69. The Alien (28). This was an early highlight from the album. The intro is the most memorable part, it was a bold move to start the album off with something like that. But it works so well for me. This is the song I am always going to associate most strongly with MM, his blistering drumming in the intro and really all throughout is just wonderful. The other instrumentals are also great, both after the second chorus, and the outro.
68. The Killing Hand (93). I respect this song a lot since it laid the groundwork for their longer songs in the future. For a first crack at a more complex longer track, it is pretty decent. I find it somewhat disjointed, but there are enough parts that I like such as the first section.
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70. The Dark Eternal Night - 68 for me. Fun time at the creature feature. Bring you pop-corn and drink!
69. The Alien - 59. Wasn't keen on it when the album dropped, but it's grown into a favorite.
68. The Killing Hand - Not rated.
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The gotta go back to work update :(
67. Ytse Jam
Highest Finish: 8 (porcacultor)
Number of Lists appeared on: 48 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, KevShmev, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Trav86, twosuitsluke, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, Zydar)
I have a big soft spot for Ytse Jam, it's how I discovered the band. I remember downloading the drum solo from Kazaa at 144p which led me to check out their newest album at the time, Six Degrees. I think it's a great instrumental and I hope they bring it back live sometime.
66. The Silent Man
Highest Finish: 12 (Evermind)
Number of Lists appeared on: 50 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dittomist, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, Zydar)
I'm not sure I'd call this a ballad but it's one of the better ballad-y type songs from DT. I wish they did more straight ahead acoustic tracks, it really can real give a breath of fresh air, especially in the chug era they are in now.
65. Raise The Knife
Highest Finish: 13 (Adami)
Number of Lists appeared on: 45 (Adami, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, WardySI, Wim Kruithof)
Another unofficial track (not including Score). Probably one of the best lyrical contributions from MP. A really good tune.
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Ytse Jam was my #94. I forgot that I ranked it. It's a legendary instrumental and a really good track, but needless to say it, they surpassed it with many other instrumentals.
The Silent man was my #50. If I remember correctly, there were nine other Awake songs in my top fifty. That basically tells how much I love that album.
Raise the knife was my #48. That's a fantastic song that I really wish made it onto Falling into infinity. I still feel like the songs that ended up on the album are weaker than the songs what were excluded. Thank God for the Score version.
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67. Ytse Jam
Nothing wrong with this song, but since I'm a sucker for vocals, basically all instrumentals suffered in my list. Ytse Jam didn't rank for me.
66. The Silent Man
An absolute masterpiece, Evermind beat me to the best ranker race since it was my #17. It's simple, it's atmospheric, and I consider it a full song and not just a coda to Voices. Fantastic showcase of their ability to put emotions into music, rather than just showing off like some casual listeners accuse them of.
65. Raise The Knife
I was already starting to consider this gone. Nice to see it as such a respectable position! it was my 72 so I actually ranked it lower, as always with these middle range positions, I could have put it easily in the top 60. The Score version is phenomenal.
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3/3 for me today.
Ytse Jam ... 18 for me. This completes the 'big 3' for me off of WDADU (along with AFIL and TKH). I know they're not sequential on the album, but man if they had been :hefdaddy. Amazingly, there is a version of the studio release on some compilation up on Spotify (titled "Prog Rock for Rookies" :lol)
The Silent Man ... 68. Great way to finish the trilogy. Seems I pretty much am aligned with the consensus.
Raise the Knife ... 36. Thank God for the Score version indeed! IMO, one of the highlights of the first set.
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67. Ytse Jam
Cracked my top 10 at #8! A very, very precious track for me. Used to play it on bass with my music school band (can't remember if we ever played it live at the end-of-year recital or if it was just in the rehearsal space, but it was ALWAYS fun).
66. The Silent Man
Did not rank for me, which doesn't do the song justice. But such is the deal with ranking. Short and sweet!
65. Raise The Knife
Landed at 74 for me. Groovy!
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
142. Ytsejam
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
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97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
85. Constant Motion
80. The Enemy Inside
76. The Shattered Fortress
67. The Silent Man
59. The Gift of Music
54. Answering The Call
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
46. A New Beginning
44. Forsaken
41. The Looking Glass
36. New Millenium
33. Transcending Time
31. The Best Of Times
28. Our New World
25. Raise The Knife
23. I Walk Beside You
14. To Live Forever
5. This Is The Life
The big winner here is "Raise The Knife"; I love that song and while I wasn't the highest ranker, I did make sure it had a prominent place on my list.
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My list so far.
I did the ranking three times: the first with the entire list presented, with everything the band has ever done. The second after trimming "the fat" (live jams, Majesty demos, Nomac tracks etc...). For the third and final ranking, which I submitted as it is with just a couple of manual changes here and there, I considered only the song that at least once, in the two previous rankings, came within the 100th position (no need to rank once again songs I don't like and I know anyway won't crack the top 100 no matter what), so my "final" list includes 129 songs. At the bottom I put the ones not ranked, where there isn't a number, it means they scored too low the first two times and I didn't bother to include them in the third ranking.
17 The Silent Man (66) +49
23 Through Her Eyes (73) +50
28 Wither (99) +71
29 Forsaken (95) +66
48 I Walk Beside You (80) +32
53 Only a Matter of Time (82) +29
58 Behind the Veil (89) +31
62 The Killing Hand (68) +6
68 A Fortune in Lies (78) +10
70 The Gift of Music (98) +28
72 Raise The Knife (65) -7
78 The Best of Times (77) -1
83 Transcending Time (90) +7
86 Vacant (97) +11
87 The Shattered Fortress (79) -8
89 Fall Into The Light (72) -17
96 Never Enough (100) +4
97 Answering the Call (76) -21
99 The Enemy Inside (83) -16
100 S2N (94) -6
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NR Afterlife (96)
123 Our New World (93) -30
NR The Looking Glass (92)
NR A New Beginning (91)
110 This is the Life (88) -22
102 New Millennium (87) -15
NR Constant Motion (86)
NR Sleeping Giant (85)
115 Surrender to Reason (84) -31
NR Awaken the Master (81)
NR To Live Forever (76)
NR Lost not Forgotten (73)
NR Honor Thy Father (71)
NR The Dark Eternal Night (70)
107 The Alien (69) -38
117 Ytse Jam (67) -50
My top 5 ranking songs that already came out are all amongst the "easiest" ones from DT, what a soft poser I am :D
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YtseJam is ok but it always felt a bit repetitive and like the band finding their footing in terms of how to write an instrumental piece. May prefer the OiaLT version to the studio version.
The Silent Man is great, have always loved it. Really nice showcase for James, and a nice acoustic performance by JP.
Raise the Knife is tremendous and should have been on FII probably. I agree, it’s one of MP’s better lyrics. The arrangement maybe could have done with some cleaning up, but they still killed it on Score. Love that performance.
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73. Lost Not Forgotten
Highest Finish: 10 (mariner)
Number of Lists appeared on: 47
72. Fall Into The Light
Highest Finish: 11 (DragonAttack)
Number of Lists appeared on: 50
71. Honor Thy Father
Highest Finish: 10 (nobloodyname)
Number of Lists appeared on: 46
70. The Dark Eternal Night
Highest Finish: 6 (ReaperKK)
Number of Lists appeared on: 43
69. The Alien
Highest Finish: 16 (TAC)
Number of Lists appeared on: 45
68. The Killing Hand
Highest Finish: 1 (Animal)
Number of Lists appeared on: 45
67. Ytse Jam
Highest Finish: 8 (porcacultor)
Number of Lists appeared on: 48
66. The Silent Man
Highest Finish: 12 (Evermind)
Number of Lists appeared on: 50
65. Raise The Knife
Highest Finish: 13 (Adami)
Number of Lists appeared on: 45
Catching up:
73. Lost Not Forgotten: #39. Great track on a great album. While the intro goes on for about 30 seconds too long, the rest of the track is great.
72. Fall Into The Light: #NR. This fall in the same category as Transcending Time, just never clicked with me. It's a fine song, but nothing special about it.
71. Honor Thy Father #68. This is a fine song. Probably should've landed lower but I think is fine.
70. The Dark Eternal Night: #86. Another song that probably should've landed lower. It's an ok song, with a great riff. But the improvised solo is less than inspiring.
69. The Alien: #NR. In my opinion, the worst song from the MM Era, not counting the NOMAC tracks.
68. The Killing Hand: #NR. This is a song that probably suffers from "I don't know it that well". I like it, but I guess I should spend more time with it.
67. Ytse Jam: #NR. This was my go to instrumental track when I first discovered the band, but it has dropped off a lot.
66. The Silent Man: #NR. It's a nice track, but there are more than 100 other better songs.
65. Raise The Knife: #NR. See response to TKH.
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Ytse Jam - 61 - Fun instrumental. When I was new to DT, I recall listening to "Instrumedley" on Budokan for the first time and loving it when they transitioned to the Ytse Jam section. That was before I realized Ytse Jam was a separate instrumental from the rest of that medley.
The Silent Man - 55 - I wish DT would do more stuff like this. That pre solo instrumental bridge is sweet. I also love the short guitar solo and that little wood (guitar?) pop/knock during it.
Raise the Knife -56 - Good stuff. Should have made the album.
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Ytse Jam, the only song from the debut that ranked for me was the instrumental at 88. Figures..... not the biggest fan of CD or the production. Cool, short instrumental but they would go on to greater things.
The Silent Man, my highest ranking so far at 19. A beautiful heartfelt acoustic song, a wonderful break in Awake. Not my highest ranked song from Awake though.
Raise the Knife did not rank for me. I think I only have it on the Score DVD so I almost never hear it.
My ranking so far
19 The Silent Man (66)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
37 Our New World (93)
45 To Live Forever (76)
50 Answering the Call (75)
59 Transcending Time (90)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
75 The Alien (69)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65)
Rated: 17
Not rated: 19
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Ytse Jam: 87. Beautiful fun, complex yet never self-indulgent.
The Silent Man: 48. Deep and simple at the same time. The last chorus one octave up in Live Scenes is a Top 3 James moment.
Raising the Knife: didn't make the cut. A side of DT I can't appreciate much.
The Score so far:
21 - A New Beginning
27 - The Best of Times
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
48 - The Silent Man
68 - Our New World
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
87 - Ytse Jam
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
92 - The Killing Hand
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 20
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Raising the Knife: didn't make the cut. A side of DT I can't appreciate much.
You mean, the bitter side? :D
Or the ironic side. :biggrin:
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Ytse Jam - not ranked - DT instrumentals have always been hit or miss (mostly miss) with me, and this one isn't an exception.
The Silent Man - #12 - top 5 DT ballad for me and one of the best songs on Awake. I know it's part of a suite but it works amazingly well as a standalone song. Beautiful, sad, introspective - I agree with whoever said they wish to see this side of DT more often. I always have goosebumps when this song is playing. In fact I just had goosebumps when I thought about it. :lol
MirrorMask and SwedishGoose :hifive:
Raise the Knife - this song is always welcome when it comes up on Score, but other than that, I don't listen to it at all.
Raising the Knife: didn't make the cut. A side of DT I can't appreciate much.
You mean, the bitter side? :D
Or the ironic side. :biggrin:
The B-side :)
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67. Ytse Jam
66. The Silent Man
65. Raise The Knife
With no instrumental on I&W, this was the first DT instrumental I heard. They played it at the first three I&W shows I saw (followed by the MP mimics Neil Peart drum solo). The song utterly blew me away. It's since been eclipsed by a few other DT instrumentals, but I still love it every time I hear it. I had it at #43, and it came in at 79 in the last countdown.
The Silent Man one of DT's better minor/transitional tracks. I ranked it at #77 just because of the length (similar to what I did with WFS and Vacant), but I really enjoy it - particularly the harmony vocals. I ranked at #80 in the prior countdown.
Raise the Knife is, IMO, easily the best of the FII reject song. Frankly, the album would have been MUCH improved if they had included this over New Millennium. I had originally included this among the songs I was going to consider when started ranking using the ranking engine. However, I ended up not considering it in my hasty, eleventh-hour submission. It came in at #72 in the prior countdown.
List Not Ranked
100 Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall into the Light (72), Honor Thy Father (71), Raise the Knife (65)
98
97 This Is the Life (88)
96
95
94
93
92
91
90
89
88
87
86
85
84 Forsaken (95)
83
82
81
80
79 Vacant (97)
78
77 The Silent Man (66)
76
75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
74
73
72
71
70
69
68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
67 The Dark Eternal Night (70)
66
65 Transcending Time (90)
64
63
62
61
60
59 Afterlife (96)
58
57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
56
55 The Alien (69)
54
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45
44
43 Ytse Jam (67)
42
41 Through Her Eyes (74)
40
39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
38
37
36
35
34
33
32
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30
29
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26
25
24
23
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21
20
19
18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
16
15 The Killing Hand (68)
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The Silent Man one of DT's better minor/transitional tracks. I ranked it at #77 just because of the length (similar to what I did with WFS and Vacant)
Vacant is nice little a transitional song (along the lines of Wait for Sleep and The Silent Man).
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:biggrin:
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70. The Dark Eternal Night - 24 for me. What can I say, this is an absolute classic. They go full-on metal, dark and evil purely for the sake of it but it's completely tongue-in-cheek. The guys are just having fun and looking to get as heavy and crazy as possible. I couldn't tell you of a single section of this song I don't like - and that ending solo! I had the pleasure of seeing this live in the CIM tour in '07, when JR rocked the keytar at the front of the stage... :metal :hefdaddy
69. The Alien - not in my top 100 - although I do find myself listening to a lot lately, probably in virtue of it being a more recent song. The instrumental parts are killer but the melodies are not that strong and are surpassed by so many other songs they've made.
68. The Killing Hand - love this one, it made my 29. I can't think of any other song quite like it... it's sort of written like an epic, but not. More like a multi-part but shortish-for-DT song. But there's something captivating about it.
In fairness, a large factor in what elevated this song for me is JLB's take on the vocals. Pick any performance from the I&W tour and prepare to be blown away. This one is my personal favourite... to think that JLB sounded this good whilst being filmed on a camcorder with no production whatsoever is just mind-blowing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep2vadeM9nY
What's also notable is the various arrangements they've done live over the years, starting with the addition of the "Another Hand" piece - which for the purposes of this countdown was listed as it's own song but was actually written to segue Another Day into The Killing Hand (which can be heard in full on the Japanese version of LATM), so personally I feel it's more appropriate to consider it part of TKH. Interesting how it morphed further over the years, culminating in the vastly different arrangement heard on WDADR with softer vocals from JLB towards the end. Definitely about time this made a comeback live, and would be super interesting to see what approach they decide to take with it in 2024.
67. Ytse Jam - this was only one place higher for me at 66 so I guess no need for me to justify this one. I love the fact that everyone gets a solo, including JM.
66. The Silent Man - again, only slightly higher for me at 64. I think I like the LSFNY version the best - the way the full band comes in on the final chorus and the higher vocals... wow.
65. Raise The Knife - this ended up quite a bit higher for me at 32. I think it's absolutely criminal that this gem got left off FII in favour of some of the garbage that ended up on the finished album! I love the song as a whole but in particular, the second verse - that whole section is amazing, how it transitions into a swing feel and those lyrics. Probably my favourite lyrical passage that MP has ever written, although in retrospect they come across as rather ironic considering... you know.
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It's time...
THE SCORE SO FAR
(The World Is Upside Down Edition)
1. When Dream and Day Unite (5 songs, 114 points): Afterlife (96), Only a Matter of Time (82), A Fortune in Lies (78), The Killing Hand (68), Ytse Jam (67) - I suspect we may have seen the last entry from this album since none of the three remaining songs from this album made the last countdown.
2. A View from the Top of the World (5 songs, 105 points): Transcending Time (90), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), Answering the Call (75), The Alien (69)
3. Other (2 songs, 61 points): To Live Forever (76), Raise the Knife (65)
4. Dream Theater (4 songs, 57 points): The Looking Glass (92), Behind the Veil (89), The Enemy Inside (83T), Surrender to Reason (83T)
5. Systematic Chaos (3 songs, 52 points): Forsaken (95), Constant Motion (86), The Dark Eternal Night (70)
6. Black Clouds & Silver Linings (3 songs, 48 points): Wither (99), The Shattered Fortress (79), The Best of Times (77)
7. A Dramatic Turn of Events (2 songs, 41 points): This Is the Life (88), Lost Not Forgotten (73)
8. Distance over Time (2 songs, 36 points): S2N (94), Fall into the Light (72)
9. Awake (1 song, 35 points): The Silent Man (66)
10. Train of Thought (2 songs, 34 points): Vacant (97), Honor Thy Father (71)
11. Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory (1 song, 27 points): Through Her Eyes (74)
12. Octavarium (2 songs, 22 points): Never Enough (100), I Walk Beside You (80)
13. The Astonishing (3 songs, 21 points): The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91)
14. Falling into Infinity (1 song, 14 points): New Millennium (87)
15. Images and Words (0 songs)
16. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (0 songs)
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interesting take pg1067... only A Dramatic Turn of Events isn't on your list yet.
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Ytse Jam was - 52
The Silent man - 41
Raise the knife - 60
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095: I Walk Beside You #80 15
094: S2n #94 spot on
093: Never Enough #100 7
090: The Alien #69 21
089: Only a Matter of Time #82 7
088: Surrender to Reason #83t 5
087: Forsaken #95 8
086: Through Her Eyes #74 12
085: The Silent Man #66 19
084: Constant Motion #86 2
083: Fall Into the Light #72 11
082: The Best of Times #77 5
078: Behind the Veil #89 11
077: Afterlife #96 19
068: The Enemy Inside #83t 15
060: A Fortune in Lies #78 18
054: The Looking Glass #92 38
053: Raise the Knife #65 12
050: Wither #99 49
048: Transcending Time #90 42
044: Ytse Jam #67 23
042: The Killing Hand #68 26
041: Sleeping Giant #85 44
040: Answering the Call #75 45
029: Awaken the Master #81 52
027: Honor Thy Father #71 44
016: The Shattered Fortress #79 63
not rankend: 9 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night
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It's time...
THE SCORE SO FAR
(The World Is Upside Down Edition)
1. When Dream and Day Unite (5 songs, 114 points): Afterlife (96), Only a Matter of Time (82), A Fortune in Lies (78), The Killing Hand (68), Ytse Jam (67) - I suspect we may have seen the last entry from this album since neither of the remaining songs from this album made the last coundown.
2. A View from the Top of the World (5 songs, 105 points): Transcending Time (90), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), Answering the Call (75), The Alien (69)
3. Other (2 songs, 61 points): To Live Forever (76), The Silent Man (36)
4. Dream Theater (4 songs, 57 points): The Looking Glass (92), Behind the Veil (89), The Enemy Inside (83T), Surrender to Reason (83T)
5. Systematic Chaos (3 songs, 52 points): Forsaken (95), Constant Motion (86), The Dark Eternal Night (70)
6. Black Clouds & Silver Linings (3 songs, 48 points): Wither (99), The Shattered Fortress (79), The Best of Times (77)
7. Distance over Time (2 songs, 36 points): S2N (94), Fall into the Light (72)
8. Awake (1 song, 35 points): The Silent Man (66)
9. Train of Thought (2 songs, 34 points): Vacant (97), Honor Thy Father (71)
10. Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory (1 song, 27 points): Through Her Eyes (74)
11. Octavarium (2 songs, 22 points): Never Enough (100), I Walk Beside You (80)
12. The Astonishing (3 songs, 21 points): The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91)
13. Falling into Infinity (1 song, 14 points): New Millennium (87)
14. Images and Words (0 songs)
15. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (0 songs)
In the “other” category you have The Silent Man listed and I think you meant Raise the Knife.
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100. Never Enough (17th) I don't get how this is at 100. This song has many cool parts, especially the instrumental break.
99. Wither (66th) Solid song, when it hits, it's great but it doesn't always warrant a listen.
98. The Gift Of Music (92nd) It's alright. Past entry 82 on my list is stuff that just had to be ranked.
97. Vacant (70th) This song is so awesome on its own and how it leads into SoC
96. Afterlife (98th) See: The Gift of Music
95. Forsaken (87th) It's alright, live is good.
94. S2N (NR) Honestly just not familiar enough with this song yet.
93. Our New World (NR) See: S2N
92. The Looking Glass (54th) This is one of the better tracks off of DT12. Great chorus, surprised it is this low.
91. A New Beginning (NR) Couldn't tell you what album it's from.
90. Transcending Time I really don't like DT12 View at this time, with about 5 listens since returning to the forum last year. But this song stuck out and was good enough to make the list.
89. Behind The Veil (NR) See: A New Beginning
88. This Is The Life (33rd) This song is very underrated. It has a huge atmosphere to it and a great buildup to that final chorus.
87. New Millennium (NR) Not much of a fan of FII, and this song was always skippable to me.
86. Constant Motion (35th) Sometimes you need a straightforward song, DT does it great here, and the instrumental section with the bass and piano is cool as hell.
85. Sleeping Giant (NR)
84. The Enemy Inside (36th) Great, straightforward song, and ranks right next to Constant Motion.
83. Surrender To Reason (64th) This was a mistake to place it at 64th, but by the time I was ranking stuff, I didn't care past a certain point. Relistening now and it's alright, should actually be in the 90s or off my list, so an oversight on my part.
82. Only A Matter Of Time (97th) Not bad, something had to be here.
81. Awaken The Master (NR)
80. I Walk Beside You (43rd) What a great song, when DT does more uplifting/major key stuff, it's really great, usually. Feels very underrated to me. This song has layers to it musically, stuff that feels more subtle than usual. Also fun to play on the bass.
79. The Shattered Fortress (22nd) A few clunky transitions aside, amazing song. Only TGP is the better song in the 12-step suite. And of course, that ending "I am RESPONSIBLE!"
78. A Fortune In Lies (86th) Pretty good song, chorus can stuck in your head. Charlie does a fantastic job, though the live version with JLB is stellar.
77. The Best Of Times (62nd) The intro and body of the song are a few minutes too long. The feel of the song is good, though, and that outro solo is top tier.
76. To Live Forever (NR) I do not remember this song.
75. Answering The Call (NR) Don't know it well enough.
74. Through Her Eyes (NR) It's alright, has a couple of nice moments. Maybe could have made my top 100 but not mad about it.
73. Lost Not Forgotten (75th) It's pretty okay. Some cool energy in the chorus.
72. Fall Into The Light (NR)
71. Honor Thy Father (78th) I enjoy this but is far and away the worst song on TOT as well.
70. The Dark Eternal Night (26th) WTF why is this song so low? Don't take it seriously. I did when it first came out and then realized that this is supposed to be a fun song. I love playing the intro riff on the keyboard.
69. The Alien (NR) I do know this song, and it's meh. Maybe more time would move it up.
68. The Killing Hand (96th) In my top 100 for "the killing haaaaaaaand"
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67. Ytse Jam (56th) A good instrumental. A highlight of WDADU.
66. The Silent Man (38th) DT on full acoustic mode. Tasteful song.
65. Raise The Knife (57th) Great unofficial song. Chorus is nice.
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Only one today, and shockingly it's from WDADU (the only song from the album that made my list).
The other two landed right next to each other (so I got that right) at #110 & #111.
I really like Ytse Jam, but is it a coincidence that my favourite song from the album happens to be an instrumental? It's no coinkydink, the problem with the album is all in those vocals for me. Yea, it's got a lot of cool stuff going on and I was surprised how high it ranked for me.
As to the other two. I can kinda see the appeal of Silent Man, but I just find it too dull. I'm really quite shocked by Raise The Knife though. I don't mind it but didn't think it was generally so well loved.
My ranking so far:
13. Wither
18. The Dark Eternal Night
20. Never Enough
27. The Best of Times
29. Constant Motion
30. A New Beginning
31. The Shattered Fortress
35. The Enemy Inside
36. I Walk Beside You
44. Through Her Eyes
45. The Looking Glass
49. Forsaken
55. Behind the Veil
62. Surrender to Reason
64. Fall Into the Light
69. Ytse Jam
73. Honor Thy Father
80. To Live Forever
83. This is the Life
84. Lost Not Forgotten
86. Our New World
100. New Millennium
Not ranked:
109. Vacant
110. The Silent Man
111. Raise The Knife
112. Only a Matter of Time
113. Afterlife
114. A Fortune in Lies
115. The Killing Hand
119. Sleeping Giant
121. Awaken the Master
122. Answering the Call
123. Transcending Time
124. The Alien
125. S2N
140. The Gift of Music
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BIG catching up post.
79 The Shattered Fortress - Not too far off the consensus, I have this ranked at # 69 (nice). Not as good as I wanted it to be, but strangely satisfying. The live version was even better.
78 A Fortune in Lies - I mean, this song rocks. In general, I'm not crazy about WDADU, but this was my highest ranker from that album, at # 39. Just great riffage.
77 The Best of Times - DNR. Although the outro guitar solo is fantastic, the rest of this song is kind of a train wreck. Musically, it doesn't seem to be able to decide what it wants to be, and the lyrics aren't very good. I know where they are coming from emotionally, but they seem like a first draft, and could have done with 2 or 3 revisions/rewrites.
76 To Live Forever - Great song, that I apparently like much more than the consensus, ranking it at # 32. My first exposure to this was the Live in Tokyo VHS, which I still own (signed by most of the band). Good, good stuff.
75 Answering The Call - DNR. I actually do like this song, but hey, you can't rank everything.
74 Through Her Eyes - Beautiful, no doubt, but I couldn't place it higher than # 90.
73 Lost Not Forgotten - I like this song a lot. Pretty close to the consensus, I have it at # 70.
72 Fall Into The Light - Man, for a short song, this one is tasty. I have it at # 60. There is certainly cool riffage everywhere, but the thing that changes this song from rather ordinary to something more (IMO) is Jordan's keyboard voices and playing. The choice of patch is just so tasteful, and I love his playing on this one. Very nice.
71 Honor Thy Father - I have this one at # 85, but honestly, it could have been a LOT higher with just a couple of changes, notably without all of the sound clips from that awful film Magnolia. I get why he used them, I just wish he wouldn't have. WHY COULDN'T HE CATER TO MY TASTES SPECIFICALLY lol
70 The Dark Eternal Night - I like this one quite a bit more than the consensus, ranking it at # 36. This one is just hella fun, and it's made better by the fact that both of my kids love it, and THAT was made better when we all got to see DT perform it live, and we totally rocked out. One of my favorite concert memories.
69 The Alien - Just a tasty, tasty song. I had it at # 44, and hey, it won a Grammy! Fun to see live as well. Looking forward to seeing how MP translates it in future live performances.
68 The Killing Hand - DNR. It's OK, I guess, but again, you can't rank everything.
67 Ytse Jam - I have loved this song since the first time I heard it, again on the Live in Tokyo VHS. I have it at # 47. I love when the instruments take turns playing the main melodic line. Super cool.
66 The Silent Man - I had this one at # 45. Beautiful song, gloriously understated, wonderful either alone or played with the rest of the A Mind Beside Itself suite.
65 Raise The Knife - The one that I have ranked the highest thus far, at # 23. I liked this one a lot for years after illegally downloading a copy of Cleaning Out The Closet, and to see it live at the SCORE show in 2006 was fantastic. I just wish that they hadn't shoved it in the live performance closet after that night. It's weird that they only played it live on that tour, and then never again (same for Speak to Me). *shrugs*
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70. The Dark Eternal Night - 77 for me. I don't always want to listen to it, but when I do..I really enjoy it!
69. The Alien - 34! - I like it ok at first, but with each listen, it gets better and better. When I get to the end, I feel like clapping and have a big smile on my face. DT can do a great ending to a song.
68. The Killing Hand - Not rated..WDaDU..
67. Ytse Jam - 98 - OK. So a diversion from the above..I am not usually one for instrumentals, but this one is quite enjoyable, and doesn't drag on like some others.
66. The Silent Man - 91 - Like I have said, slower song are typically rated lower for me. But I really love this song. I would love to hear more JP harmonizing!
65. Raise The Knife - Not rated
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67. Ytse Jam
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66. The Silent Man
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Number of Lists appeared on: 50 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dittomist, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, Zydar)
65. Raise The Knife
Highest Finish: 13 (Adami)
Number of Lists appeared on: 45 (Adami, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, WardySI, Wim Kruithof)
I had Ytse Jam at #31.
Still my favorite DT instrumental.
I had The Silent Man as Not Rated.
It's nice enough. To me, I'll always remember watching the Rhode Island Christmas telethon in 1993 when they debuted the song.
I had Raise The Knife at #24.
The FII version is definitely more interesting than a lot of the album, but the Score version is absolutely stellar. So glad they ran through it in Boston the night before NYC and we didn't get the sucky Speak To Me instead.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 Transcending Time
95 Behind The Veil
94 New Milenium
93 Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87
86
85
84
83
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79
78
77
76 S2N
75
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72
71
70
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65
64
63 Through Her Eyes
62
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58
57
56
55
54
53
52
51
50
49
48
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46
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43
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41 Sleeping Giant
40
39
38
37 Fall Into The Light
36
35 The Gift Of Music
34
33
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31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25
24 Raise The Knife
23
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21
20
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15
14 The Best Of Times
13
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10
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6
5
4 The Killing Hand
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interesting take pg1067... only A Dramatic Turn of Events isn't on your list yet.
In the “other” category you have The Silent Man listed and I think you meant Raise the Knife.
Fixed. Thanks.
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5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
20 Lost Not Forgotten
24 This is the Life
26 A New Beginning
28 Fall Into the Light
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
48 A Fortune in Lies
51 Our New World
54 Wither
55 The Alien
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
61 I Walk Beside You
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
68 Sleeping Giant
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time
I'm actually a little surprised YtseJam came in where it did, if I had massaged the rankings it might be higher. With RTK I kind of fell into the trap like with TKH and was thinking of a superior live version when I ranked it.
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3 out of 3 today!
Ytse Jam - always loved this instrumental, just a great song and the opening is killer. My rank 76.
The Silent Man - a really beautiful track, my rank 52.
Raise the Knife - I just got this song in the top 100 at number 98. The Score version is really good but apart from that I don't really listen to this song but that was enough to rank it.
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All 3 of these I didn't rank. All decent tunes just not 100 worthy for me.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 The Silent Man
91 Raise the Knife
90
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79
78 Wither
77
76
75
74 The Enemy Inside
73
72
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63
62
61
60
59
58 Afterlife
57
56
55
54
53
52
51 Answering the Call
50
49
48 The Shattered Fortress
47
46
45
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43
42 Never Enough
41
40
39
38
37
36
35
34
33
32 I Walk Beside You
31
30
29 Surrender to Reason
28
27
26
25
24
23
22
21
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18
17
16
15
14
13
12
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Two days, six songs, all killer and no filler:
The Dark Eternal Night- I was right on track, #70 on my list. The lyrics are cheesy/straight up bad, but the instrumentation, both in the riffs and the solo sections are just so much fun. To my mind it (and really most of SC) is the dumb summer action movie of the DT catalog. There's little to no substance, but the style will absolutely keep you entertained in the moment.
The Alien- I had this a little lower, back at #92. It's a fine song, sort of DT paint by numbers. It might not have made my list if not for probably getting a boost just by virtue of getting the band a Grammy.
The Killing Hand- Up at #34 on my list. I'M IN THE VAAAAAAALLLLLLLLEEYYYY [/LatM] 'nuff said :metal
Ytse Jame- Came in at #55 list. Dream Theater trying to write their La Villa Strangiato, with good results.
The Silent Man- I put this at #50. A great ballad and way to end the A Mind Beside Itself suite, with a wonderfully understated little acoustic lead from JP.
Raise the Knife- I had this at #41, entirely based on the Score version. I was unfamiliar with it before seeing it that night in Radio City, but it's one of the songs I listen to most from that live album.
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I'm falling behind :lol I'll get a few more in today and hopefully some more tomorrow.
Only a Matter of Time - I had this at #83, so close! This was another of the songs from WDaDU that has grown on me over the last few years. I used to really not like this song and was my least favorite from the album. I think it was the Budokan version that put it over the top for me with the much better keyboard patches.
Awaken the Master - This song just kept climbing the ranking for me as I was re-listening to AVftTotW and finally landed at #48. Is it just me or are songs where JM writes the lyrics much more interesting than other songs? He really has a way with words, in my opinion.
I Walk Beside You - This landed at #84 for me. This is just a great upbeat rocker. I don't hear the U2 comparisons, but I also don't like U2 and thus don't listen to them.
The Shattered Fortress - I had this at #63 and I find it a great closing track to the 12 Steps Suite. I love all the call backs to the earlier songs in the suite.
A Fortune In Lies - Weird, I had this at #62. It's a great song with some cool riffs. Revisiting a lot of these WDaDU tracks for this countdown has really brought about a new appreciation for some of those songs, this one included.
The Best of Times - #38 for me. Yes, the lyrics may be a little ham-fisted at times, but man do they speak to me, not that I can relate to them exactly, but the meaning behind them hits home. The music backing it up is also great, with wonderful moments of piano, guitar solos, and melodies.
143 - Vacant
111 - This is the Life
108 - Wither
107 - Never Enough
106 - Constant Motion
100 - A New Beginning
91 - Forsaken
88 - Behind the Veil
84 - I Walk Beside You
83 - Only a Matter of Time
81 - New Millenium
76 - Our New World
73 - Transcending Time
68 - S2N
63 - The Shattered Fortress
62 - A Fortune In Lies
58 - The Gift of Music
50 - The Looking Glass
48 - Awaken the Master
38 - The Best of Times
30 - Afterlife
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The gotta go back to work update :(
67. Ytse Jam
Highest Finish: 8 (porcacultor)
66. The Silent Man
Highest Finish: 12 (Evermind)
65. Raise The Knife
Highest Finish: 13 (Adami)
Ytse Jam at 65 for me. Excellent instrumental.
Silent Man was my 93. Judged solely on the album version, this feels right. If I’d been looking at the LSFNY version, it possibly could’ve been higher
Raise the aknife was my 16, so good to see someone has it even higher than me and so many people had it on their lists.
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Ytse Jam - #51 for me. One of their best instrumentals, I often find myself humming the main riff in my head, so that must be a good thing.
The Silent Man - I ranked it #34. A very good ballad with a beautiful melody. It was nice to see them start playing it live a few years ago.
Raise The Knife - missed my Top 100 sadly, had I been more acquainted with the song over the years I'd have it higher. I need to spin it more, I guess.
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Update!
64. Beneath The Surface
Highest Finish: 1 (Cool Chris)
Number of Lists appeared on: 51 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, geeeemo, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, Lethean, lightningbolt, mariner, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, Zydar)
Near the bottom of my personal list. It's good, but that's all I think I can say about the song.
63. Sacrificed Sons
Highest Finish: 5 (DragonAttack)
Number of Lists appeared on: 49 (Adami, Animal, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
This is another song that I liked when it first released but it just aged really poorly over the years.
62. Pale Blue Dot
Highest Finish: 7 (Lethean)
Number of Lists appeared on: 52 (Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaperKK, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Fantastic epic. One of the main songs I go back to from DoT.
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Beneath the Surface making an appearance at number one?! That's intriguingly left-field.
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Beneath the Surface making an appearance at number one?! That's intriguingly left-field.
I had it at #5.
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64. Beneath The Surface: #78 for me. Really lovely piece. The only thing that drags it a bit down for me is Labrie's performance in the final chorus. I wished they would've stayed in the lower registrar because he nailed the mood of the song in the first 4 minutes of the song. Not that the final chorus is bad, just feels like it clashes with what they set up initially.
63. Sacrifice Sons: #90 for me. Yeah, I really liked this song when I first heard it but it didn't age well.
62. Pale Blue Dot: #87 for me. This was the song I was looking forward to the most from DoT. I guess my high expectations let to a slight disappointment. Enjoyable track for sure, but nothing I seek to listen to very often.
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@Evermind
That's not quite as intriguingly left-field as it being someone's number one but still intriguingly left-field :lol
What I like most about it is where James sings one bit out of tune but not everyone hears it as such. There was a big old discussion about it here several years ago. Genuinely very interesting.
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Beneath The Surface - An okay song with a fine melody, but nothing to make me excited. Their recent ballads are often hit or miss for me. Jordan's Moog solo is cool though. I had it at #73.
Sacrificed Sons - Now here's a great song that became even better after I saw it live in 2009 on Progressive Nation. Great singalong chorus too. It ended up at #22 for me.
Pale Blue Dot - I barely remember this song, even after giving it a listen for the countdown. It ended up at #99.
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I had Beneath the Surface at 38. Fantastic song and lovely closure to a great album. I remember the first time I was hearing the song, it was all soft and quiet, and when the third and final chorus started I was like "eh, it could have been sang higher"... and then immediately James went high for the rest of chorus, I had such a big satisfied grin on my face. Congrats Cool Chris for loving this song!
Sacrificed Sons and Pale Blue Dot.... double blasphemy, I didn't rank them!
Sacrificed Sons is good and poignant but to me is dragged down by yet another random solo section that completely changes the mood of the song, I'm hearing a touching song about victims of a tragedy and I have to forget about it for five minutes to listen to Liquid Tension Experiment. No. Ended at 106 for me.
Pale Blue Dot is good but I'm not crazy about it and turns out I found other songs to rank better. Ended at 124 in my list.
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Beneath the Surface making an appearance at number one?! That's intriguingly left-field.
I had it at #5.
Yeah, it's a top-20 song for me, and maybe even top 10 depending on the day. Fantastic lyric and beautiful performance.
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@Evermind
That's not quite as intriguingly left-field as it being someone's number one but still intriguingly left-field :lol
What I like most about it is where James sings one bit out of tune but not everyone hears it as such. There was a big old discussion about it here several years ago. Genuinely very interesting.
I have no recollection of this...care to share the details?
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64 Beneath the Surface - DNR. It's pleasant enough, with some tasty bits, but I just don't find enough there to rise to my Top 100. And the fact that someone ranked it # 1 is one of the things I love about this place.
63 Sacrificed Sons - I have it at # 95. Musically, there is a lot to like, and it was great to see it live with the orchestra in 2006, but the lyrical content date it too specifically for me, so I am RARELY in the mood to listen to it, and I rarely listen to that album either.
62 Pale Blue Dot - I like this one a lot. It hit at # 75 for me, but I suspect the only reason it's that low is recency - most of the songs I have ranked higher, I've liked for a lot longer. Wouldn't shock me for this one to rank higher in years to come.
What I like most about it is where James sings one bit out of tune but not everyone hears it as such. There was a big old discussion about it here several years ago. Genuinely very interesting.
No clue what you're talking about. Please supply more info.
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When I say Ytse Jam (my # 47) on Live in Tokyo VHS for the first time, it immediately became my third favorite instrumental rock song, after La Villa Strangiato and YYZ.
If I'm not mistaken, I first listended to Raise the Knife (my #72) from some bootleg from the MP drum clinics at the time and I thought "cool, the band is in a good path, for the next album without Kevin Moore". And, for my surprise, like ACoS on Awake (I didn't know that ACoS was in fact a pre Images song), RTK didn't make onto the new album! (as it should, of course).
For the fans of Pale Blue Dot (my #48), I strongly recommend to listen to its demo version with Mangini still exploring, improvising a lot of the drum parts (BTW something you can hear in most of D/T demos), really cool!
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BTS... 58. I'm torn as to whether JLB's performance is really good, or really mediocre. It sounds a little over-produced, but I still like the song - better of the two ballads from ADTOE
Sacrificed Sons ... 21. Excellent song from one of my more favorite albums. Don't mind the lyrical content, really like the instrumental breakdown (and the SCORE version is simply *chef's kiss*).
Pale Blue Dot ... 72. Mildly meh. Not even close to my fave from DoT. This almost got bumped. Not the best closing track - for an album, or for a show.
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I can't find back the list that I sent - I thought the inbox here had a sent folder? - but I suspect I have Sacrificed Sons quite high. I like it a lot and I actually give it frequent listens. No trouble with the subject matter / lyrical content either. I love the vibe and the solo section / climax of the song with that soaring JP + orchestra lead is amazing. I love how the song gets progressively more badass too.
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Beneath the surface was my #31. It's a masterpiece and quite possibly their best ballad. LaBrie knocks it out of the park with that last verse.
Sacrificed sons didn't make it for me.
Pale blue dot was my #30. I love everything about this song.
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@Evermind
That's not quite as intriguingly left-field as it being someone's number one but still intriguingly left-field :lol
What I like most about it is where James sings one bit out of tune but not everyone hears it as such. There was a big old discussion about it here several years ago. Genuinely very interesting.
I have no recollection of this...care to share the details?
4m27s when he goes for the high note. To me, and others, it's dissonant. Somebody here provided an explanation as to how and why not everybody hears it.
Good song, though.
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Only one I know here is Sacrificed Sons, and no sir, I don't like it.
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Todays three ended up quite close to the consensus all three, Ran 54, 57 and 64 respectivley.
Beneath the Surface ended up at 54 a very nice song. Listening now I think it's quite rightly placed.
Sacrificed Sons is my second favorite from Octavarium. Listening to it now I think it could have ended up a little higher than 64. Love how it builds and builds with beautiful melodies.
Pale Blue Dot is my higest ranked from D/T at 57. Very nice song but from an album I rarely reach for.
My ranking so far
19 The Silent Man (66)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
37 Our New World (93)
45 To Live Forever (76)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
75 The Alien (69)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65)
Rated: 20
Not rated: 19
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Well, I finally got on a good roll....
70. The Dark Eternal Night (NR) the negative comments have already been used
69. The Alien (#74)
68. The Killing Hand (#97) thanks to the Marquis
67. Ytse Jam (#26) again, amazing from a group of youngsters. One of the treats during the I&W anniversary tour
66. The Silent Man (#56) nice ending to the medley. I always hear their ‘Tears' cover at various moments.
65. Raise The Knife (#68) definitely would have ‘raised’ up FII
64. Beneath The Surface (#58) the placement reminded me of Journey’s ‘Escape’ and Queen’s ‘News Of The World’. The penultimate songs would make the perfect ending to the albums, but let’s add a mellow one at the end, and have it fit perfectly.
63. Sacrificed Sons (#5) captured the angst and bewilderment of that day. It was my ’09 concert highlight. We travel up to NYC 2-4 times a year, and I always listen to it once the new Tower is in view.
62. Pale Blue Dot (#35) again, the perfect placement on one of my top four DT albums.
25/39
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Full post now that I'm home.
Beneath the Surface - #5 - Petrucci's (and DT's) best lyrics ever, in my opinion. Very poignant. The last chorus is one of my favourite DT moments ever. Perfect closer for the album. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember they planned to end the album with BAI and then JP wrote this song on his own and presented to the other guys? Might be misremembering since it was released 13 years ago, but if so, I'm so glad they included this on the album.
Sacrificed Sons - #18 - very underrated song. Vocal passages are flawless, the gloomy, moody synths/continuum sounds are great for the song, I don't have any issue with samples and while I know some people don't like the instrumental part, for me it flies by (unlike Outcry, for example). Very strong effort and one of my favourites on 8VM. Wish I had a chance to see it live.
Pale Blue Dot - not ranked - not for me at all, can't get into the song.
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64. Beneath The Surface
63. Sacrificed Sons
62. Pale Blue Dot
Beneath the Surface is, by far, the best of the three ballads on ADTOE. I think it might have fared better had it been the only one on the album and had it not been placed at the end. I had it at #61, and it placed at #67 in the prior countdown, so almost exactly the same position.
I friggin' love Sacrificed Sons, and it's kinda disappointing to see it this low. It serves as a great de facto part 2 to ITNOG. The instrumental section in the middle is so tasty. Panic Attack, SS and Octavarium is one of the best three song runs in the band's catalog. EDIT...never mind...I tried hard to forget about Never Enough. I had it at #19, and it placed at #53 last time.
Pale Blue Dot is a tough one for me. I have it at #66, but I feel like I should like it more - as if there's still something that might "click" for me. On the other hand, I also think this might be one of those things where MM made things more complex than the song needed. Time will tell, I guess. This song ranked at #49 in the last countdown.
List Not Ranked
100 Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall into the Light (72), Honor Thy Father (71), Raise the Knife (65)
98
97 This Is the Life (88)
96
95
94
93
92
91
90
89
88
87
86
85
84 Forsaken (95)
83
82
81
80
79 Vacant (97)
78
77 The Silent Man (66)
76
75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
74
73
72
71
70
69
68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
67 The Dark Eternal Night (70)
66 Pale Blue Dot (62)
65 Transcending Time (90)
64
63
62
61 Beneath the Surface (64)
60
59 Afterlife (96)
58
57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
56
55 The Alien (69)
54
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45
44
43 Ytse Jam (67)
42
41 Through Her Eyes (74)
40
39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
38
37
36
35
34
33
32
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30
29
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26
25
24
23
22
21
20
19 Sacrificed Sons (63)
18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
16
15 The Killing Hand (68)
14
13
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
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@Evermind
That's not quite as intriguingly left-field as it being someone's number one but still intriguingly left-field :lol
What I like most about it is where James sings one bit out of tune but not everyone hears it as such. There was a big old discussion about it here several years ago. Genuinely very interesting.
I have no recollection of this...care to share the details?
4m27s when he goes for the high note. To me, and others, it's dissonant. Somebody here provided an explanation as to how and why not everybody hears it.
Well...it's either dissonant or it isn't, and it isn't a matter of hearing it or not. I assume you're talking about the glissando on the word "and." He starts below the ending pitch but quickly glisses up to the note, which isn't at all dissonant.
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Sacrificed Sons is good and poignant but to me is dragged down by yet another random solo section that completely changes the mood of the song, I'm hearing a touching song about victims of a tragedy and I have to forget about it for five minutes to listen to Liquid Tension Experiment. No. Ended at 106 for me.
I'm intrigued by this criticism. Out of curiosity, are you a fan of classical music at all? I don't know if you're a Rush fan, but do you criticize the "Cygnus (Bringer of Balance)" section of Hemispheres because it completely changes the mood of the song (or the "Discovery" section of 2112)?
To me, the chaos of the instrumental section, juxtaposed with the somber tone of the rest of the song, really embodies the subject matter.
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Sacrificed Sons is good and poignant but to me is dragged down by yet another random solo section that completely changes the mood of the song, I'm hearing a touching song about victims of a tragedy and I have to forget about it for five minutes to listen to Liquid Tension Experiment. No. Ended at 106 for me.
I'm intrigued by this criticism. Out of curiosity, are you a fan of classical music at all? I don't know if you're a Rush fan, but do you criticize the "Cygnus (Bringer of Balance)" section of Hemispheres because it completely changes the mood of the song (or the "Discovery" section of 2112)?
To me, the chaos of the instrumental section, juxtaposed with the somber tone of the rest of the song, really embodies the subject matter.
To me those odd-time grooves and FX-drenched guitar solo embody the destruction and madness of that day. It doesn't change the mood of the song at all IMO.
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Agreed. The "chaos" of the song after that bass run at 4:10 is a perfect musical metaphor for the chaos of everything after the 1st plane hit. And then it becomes uplifting again coming out of the instrumental as another metaphor of humanity rising above the tragedy and chaos.
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64 Beneath the Surface - I have it at #70. It's my favorite ballad from ADTOE, a great way to end an album. (Even though I think I do hear the dissonance/artifact on the 4min27s mark that Nobloodyname brought up)
63 Sacrificed Sons - I have it at #75. A lot of personality, poignant subject matter, it's a winner (though it ranked below most of 8vm for me).
62 Pale Blue Dot - Amazed that it didn't rank on my top 100 (tbh the ranker put it at 108, a sign that I could've messed with the final list but couldn't really be arsed). A great DoT track.
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64. Beneath The Surface - 88 for me. I enjoy it. But for a ballad, I don't have enough emotional response to listen to it often.
63. Sacrificed Sons - 13! - This song is awesome. :metal It is one of the first songs that really got me into DT. (along with Nightmare, Root and OtBoA) I still remember listening to it at my desk, and then my son came into work that day. (We share music and go to concerts together.) I was like...listen to This!!! He loves DT now as well :heart
62. Pale Blue Dot - 78 - I wanted to like it more, and it is cool, but lacks...something.
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Sacrificed Sons is good and poignant but to me is dragged down by yet another random solo section that completely changes the mood of the song, I'm hearing a touching song about victims of a tragedy and I have to forget about it for five minutes to listen to Liquid Tension Experiment. No. Ended at 106 for me.
I'm intrigued by this criticism. Out of curiosity, are you a fan of classical music at all? I don't know if you're a Rush fan, but do you criticize the "Cygnus (Bringer of Balance)" section of Hemispheres because it completely changes the mood of the song (or the "Discovery" section of 2112)?
To me, the chaos of the instrumental section, juxtaposed with the somber tone of the rest of the song, really embodies the subject matter.
Heh, I don't like Sacrificed Sons at all (and not just because of the instrumental section), but I also think those sections in Hemispheres and 2112 really drag down those songs.
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Beneath the Surface: 47. Heartfelt, simple and to the point. For personal circumstances, it really meant a lot to me when it came out.
Sacrificed Sons: didn't make the cut. To the points discussed in the last posts, the only part I like is the chaotic cinematic one.
Pale Blue Dot: 65. Broad, complex and constantly interesting. The DoT grower.
The Score so far:
21 - A New Beginning
27 - The Best of Times
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
87 - Ytse Jam
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
92 - The Killing Hand
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 21
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Hey pg1067, you forgot Never Enough is sandwiched between Panic Attack and Sacrificed Sons :P.
5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
20 Lost Not Forgotten
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
28 Fall Into the Light
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
48 A Fortune in Lies
51 Our New World
54 Wither
55 The Alien
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
61 I Walk Beside You
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
68 Sleeping Giant
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time
Beneath the Surface: amazing songwriting by JP and a heart-wrenchingly sad lyric. Pale Blue Dot: actually surprised it came out this high, I would have estimated around 60 or 65 but like I mentioned I just went with what the ranker spit out. Sacrificed Sons is pretty cool.
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Hey pg1067, you forgot Never Enough is sandwiched between Panic Attack and Sacrificed Sons :P.
I definitely try to forget that song exists.
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Agreed. The "chaos" of the song after that bass run at 4:10 is a perfect musical metaphor for the chaos of everything after the 1st plane hit. And then it becomes uplifting again coming out of the instrumental as another metaphor of humanity rising above the tragedy and chaos.
Yes! Actually I wanted to say something along those lines about that hopeful theme that comes after, but you put it perfectly. :tup
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Beneath the Surface - #5 - Petrucci's (and DT's) best lyrics ever, in my opinion. Very poignant. The last chorus is one of my favourite DT moments ever. Perfect closer for the album.
Couldn't agree more with you Evermind. 17th on my list but without a doubt their very best ballad ever made. Vunerable perfection.
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
074: Sacrified Sons 9
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
050: Wither 49
048: Transcending Time 42
044: Ytse Jam 23
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
029: Awaken the Master 52
027: Honor Thy Father 44
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
not rankend: 9 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night
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Beneath the Surface - #5 - Petrucci's (and DT's) best lyrics ever, in my opinion. Very poignant. The last chorus is one of my favourite DT moments ever. Perfect closer for the album. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember they planned to end the album with BAI and then JP wrote this song on his own and presented to the other guys? Might be misremembering since it was released 13 years ago, but if so, I'm so glad they included this on the album.
Indeed you are correct. That's how it went down.
Sacrificed Sons is good and poignant but to me is dragged down by yet another random solo section that completely changes the mood of the song, I'm hearing a touching song about victims of a tragedy and I have to forget about it for five minutes to listen to Liquid Tension Experiment. No. Ended at 106 for me.
I'm intrigued by this criticism. Out of curiosity, are you a fan of classical music at all? I don't know if you're a Rush fan, but do you criticize the "Cygnus (Bringer of Balance)" section of Hemispheres because it completely changes the mood of the song (or the "Discovery" section of 2112)?
To me, the chaos of the instrumental section, juxtaposed with the somber tone of the rest of the song, really embodies the subject matter.
While I don't actually listen to proper classical music, I always liked its influence in heavy metal and there are some metal orchestral albums that I friggin' love. But I never really listened to Rush so I can't compare the two things.
To the subject matter of Sacrificed Sons, I think music is subjective so there's not an exact science to how one can perceive it. In general terms, one of the very few things I ever found to complain about with DT, is that when they were constructing their songs after Jordan joined, they gave me the impression of putting on their LTE hats and conjure up these crazy solo sections the way they wrote LTE music, going for whatever their crazy musical geniuses was suggesting in the moment.
It's hard to exactly pinpoint why a certain song, during a solo, feels "in the mood", "in the song" still, and while others give me the impression that they take off for doing whatever their LTE inspiration brought them in the moment. The solo section of Metropolis is a big long wankfest, but I love it, it does not seem to stray away from the general tone of the song, and it's also memorable, I think I could hum my way through a good portion of it. Most of the songs after Jordan joined and up until Mike left..... I don't feel that connection to the song. And I definitively don't feel anything I can memorize, you play me 10 seconds of Metropolis' solo and, if only for the sound and the triggered drums, I immediately recognize it; I guess instead I could sit through 30, 40 seconds, even a full minute of any solo section between Sacrificed Sons, Endless Sacrifice, The Ministry of Lost Souls and I'd have a hard time recognizing it. Some people might agree with me. Some might love some modern solo sections and dislike Metropolis'. Some might agree with me on a song and strongly disagree on another one. That's the beauty of music and how we perceive it, enjoy it and connect to it.
To put it briefly, during most of the solo sections in the last albums with MP before he left, I space out. I barely keep track of what's going on. I'm not saying that every song has to have memorable snippets in their solo sections like that melody in Metropolis that John Myung repeats in his little bass solo spot, but if there are such iconic and instantly recognizable moments in the solo sections of the 2002-2010 songs, I always failed to hear them.
Now don't take it to the extreme and assume I strongly dislike literally every second where James isn't singing on those 00s albums, it's just that there are so many bands out there that aren't even prog metal and come up with long songs with the solo section feeling pertinent to the tune, that sometimes I felt a bit letdown that DT, who should outshine everyone with long song constructions, "cheat" by sticking a solo section conjured up in LTE mode into a song to make it longer. I remember making a brutal edit of A Rite of Passage completely cutting out the solo section, it took me 60 seconds and my very average editing skills to do that. It should not be so easy to completely remove a solo section from a song if it's organically integrated into it.
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Beneath the Surface - this is a really beautiful song, so I can appreciate the love for this one (number 1 feels a stretch though but we all have our own opinions which is one of the great things about music...). I ranked this at 84.
Sacrificed Sons - really like this song but the instrumental section rules, I just love its chaotic nature. My rank 48.
Pale Blue Dot - one of the best songs on DoT. I rarely return to this album but this song was an immediate favourite on the album. My rank 47. (right next door to Sacrificed Sons).
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100. Never Enough (17th) I don't get how this is at 100. This song has many cool parts, especially the instrumental break.
99. Wither (66th) Solid song, when it hits, it's great but it doesn't always warrant a listen.
98. The Gift Of Music (92nd) It's alright. Past entry 82 on my list is stuff that just had to be ranked.
97. Vacant (70th) This song is so awesome on its own and how it leads into SoC
96. Afterlife (98th) See: The Gift of Music
95. Forsaken (87th) It's alright, live is good.
94. S2N (NR) Honestly just not familiar enough with this song yet.
93. Our New World (NR) See: S2N
92. The Looking Glass (54th) This is one of the better tracks off of DT12. Great chorus, surprised it is this low.
91. A New Beginning (NR) Couldn't tell you what album it's from.
90. Transcending Time I really don't like DT12 View at this time, with about 5 listens since returning to the forum last year. But this song stuck out and was good enough to make the list.
89. Behind The Veil (NR) See: A New Beginning
88. This Is The Life (33rd) This song is very underrated. It has a huge atmosphere to it and a great buildup to that final chorus.
87. New Millennium (NR) Not much of a fan of FII, and this song was always skippable to me.
86. Constant Motion (35th) Sometimes you need a straightforward song, DT does it great here, and the instrumental section with the bass and piano is cool as hell.
85. Sleeping Giant (NR)
84. The Enemy Inside (36th) Great, straightforward song, and ranks right next to Constant Motion.
83. Surrender To Reason (64th) This was a mistake to place it at 64th, but by the time I was ranking stuff, I didn't care past a certain point. Relistening now and it's alright, should actually be in the 90s or off my list, so an oversight on my part.
82. Only A Matter Of Time (97th) Not bad, something had to be here.
81. Awaken The Master (NR)
80. I Walk Beside You (43rd) What a great song, when DT does more uplifting/major key stuff, it's really great, usually. Feels very underrated to me. This song has layers to it musically, stuff that feels more subtle than usual. Also fun to play on the bass.
79. The Shattered Fortress (22nd) A few clunky transitions aside, amazing song. Only TGP is the better song in the 12-step suite. And of course, that ending "I am RESPONSIBLE!"
78. A Fortune In Lies (86th) Pretty good song, chorus can stuck in your head. Charlie does a fantastic job, though the live version with JLB is stellar.
77. The Best Of Times (62nd) The intro and body of the song are a few minutes too long. The feel of the song is good, though, and that outro solo is top tier.
76. To Live Forever (NR) I do not remember this song.
75. Answering The Call (NR) Don't know it well enough.
74. Through Her Eyes (NR) It's alright, has a couple of nice moments. Maybe could have made my top 100 but not mad about it.
73. Lost Not Forgotten (75th) It's pretty okay. Some cool energy in the chorus.
72. Fall Into The Light (NR)
71. Honor Thy Father (78th) I enjoy this but is far and away the worst song on TOT as well.
70. The Dark Eternal Night (26th) WTF why is this song so low? Don't take it seriously. I did when it first came out and then realized that this is supposed to be a fun song. I love playing the intro riff on the keyboard.
69. The Alien (NR) I do know this song, and it's meh. Maybe more time would move it up.
68. The Killing Hand (96th) In my top 100 for "the killing haaaaaaaand"
67. Ytse Jam (56th) A good instrumental. A highlight of WDADU.
66. The Silent Man (38th) DT on full acoustic mode. Tasteful song.
65. Raise The Knife (57th) Great unofficial song. Chorus is nice.
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64. Beneath The Surface (59th) Great song, not far off from the forum. It holds a special place in my heart for carrying me through some depressing times when it came out.
63. Sacrificed Sons (85th) I should relisten, but it is far and away the worst song on the album. It's too long and like hef said, too dated.
62. Pale Blue Dot (NR) No idea what it sounds like, I will try to listen some time this year.
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I was 3/3 today, but only by the skin of my teeth! I had Beneath the Surface at #96 and Pale Blue Dot at #99.
Sacrificed Sons was more respectable at #23 though.
Let's start if with Beneath the Surface. Wow, Cool Chris, explain yourself. It's a nice song but all time number 1!? I can't say too much I suppose, my #1 is also a ballad.
Sacrificed Sons though, now that is a really great song. The intro probably goes on a little too long and there are some other parts I'm not too into, but on the whole it is a great piece and I like it as a precursor to the title track. I love the entire Octavarium album, so it's no surprise to see another one from the album in my top 30.
Pale Blue Dot is pretty cool, and maybe with more familiarity it may rise in years to come. To be honest though, any DT album released after DT12 is at a disadvantage as the height of my obsession had passed.
My ranking so far:
13. Wither
18. The Dark Eternal Night
20. Never Enough
23. Sacrificed Sons
27. The Best of Times
29. Constant Motion
30. A New Beginning
31. The Shattered Fortress
35. The Enemy Inside
36. I Walk Beside You
44. Through Her Eyes
45. The Looking Glass
49. Forsaken
55. Behind the Veil
62. Surrender to Reason
64. Fall Into the Light
69. Ytse Jam
73. Honor Thy Father
80. To Live Forever
83. This is the Life
84. Lost Not Forgotten
86. Our New World
96. Beneath the Surface
99. Pale Blue Dot
100. New Millennium
Not ranked:
109. Vacant
110. The Silent Man
111. Raise The Knife
112. Only a Matter of Time
113. Afterlife
114. A Fortune in Lies
115. The Killing Hand
119. Sleeping Giant
121. Awaken the Master
122. Answering the Call
123. Transcending Time
124. The Alien
125. S2N
140. The Gift of Music
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8VM could be my favorite album if not for SS. I just find it so skippable, especially when one of their best songs is coming right after it.
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8VM could be my favorite album if not for SS. I just find it so skippable, especially when one of their best songs is coming right after it.
I've been trying to choose my words carefully on it, but I genuinely think Sacrificed Sons is one of their worst songs (but I would probably still rank Panic Attack and Never Enough below it).
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8VM could be my favorite album if not for SS. I just find it so skippable, especially when one of their best songs is coming right after it.
I've been trying to choose my words carefully on it, but I genuinely think Sacrificed Sons is one of their worst songs (but I would probably still rank Panic Attack and Never Enough below it).
Amazing. That's a top 20 song for me! SS was #18 on my list. Love the slow burn of it (which they tried on the next album with TMOLS, with not as good results.) By the time it kicks in with the final verse I am PUMPED. Maybe someday it'll be revived live and y'all can have a 10 minute bathroom break while I enjoy myself immensely :lol
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64. Beneath The Surface - this reached a few places higher for me at 59. For some reason, this song always hit me hard right from the first time I heard it. I'm not sure exactly what the lyrics are about... something to do with JP and his dad? But anyway, they hit close to home. The music is beautiful and bittersweet. I love that keyboard sound Jordan pulls out for the solo, it's so perfect for the vibe. And that last chorus when James goes an octave up gives it an extra injection of passion as the song reaches it's climax. A beautiful ending to an album which I honestly found rather disappointing...
63. Sacrificed Sons - this didn't make my list at all. As Reaper mentioned, this song has not aged well. I used to enjoy it and I even regularly enjoyed playing along to the instrumental section on bass. But nowadays... it's just not that great, it doesn't hold up well along side other pieces of a similar length that the band have made before or since. I don't feel it does enough of interest to warrant it's 10 minute length... unlike the track that follows it!!!
62. Pale Blue Dot - this got to 53 for me (it's starting to feel slightly weird - and cool - how closely some of these are correlating with my personal list!). This was a standout track for me on DoT on first listen. I remember vividly my reaction hearing that instrumental for the first time - as it got crazier and more exciting, I remember crying tears of joy as I realised that the band had rediscovered itself after (in my view) spending a few years trying to find a new identity after MP left. In retrospect I think that feeling was based on my impression of the album as a whole, which this song caps off brilliantly (putting the "bonus track" aside of course - but to be fair I also enjoy that one!). Also in retrospect, the vocal melodies throughout are not that interesting or memorable - it's all about the instrumentalists here.
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I think Octavarium is a great album, although not perfect. I love its most acessible side, but also this side produced one of the weaker DT's songs IMO, The Answer Lies Within. There are some minor flaws like Never Enough being too much close to a specific MUSE's song and the first 4 minutes (Ok, in fact, 3. 4 with that noise) of Sacrificed Sons (my #93) that are a bit tedious, but the song takes off after that, no doubt. Indeed the instrumental section and the ending are really killer.
Yes, TMOLS is more tedious with that 7 minutes slow burn and its excellent instrumental section is more disconnected with the rest of the song, unfortunately.
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Beneath the surface - none
Sacrificed sons - 84
Pale blue dot- none
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I didn't rank BTS. Quite frankly, I think it's awful. I try and not to puke if I ever listen to it. I wish the album did end with BAI.
SS came in at number 90. Something about it just never fully clicked with me. It's still a good song though and I quite like how the instrumental portrays the subject matter, it's done well.
PBD came in at 79. A nice track. Feels a little unfinished to me but it's a very nice listen.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 The Silent Man
91 Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77
76
75
74 The Enemy Inside
73
72
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63
62
61
60
59
58 Afterlife
57
56
55
54
53
52
51 Answering the Call
50
49
48 The Shattered Fortress
47
46
45
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43
42 Never Enough
41
40
39
38
37
36
35
34
33
32 I Walk Beside You
31
30
29 Surrender to Reason
28
27
26
25
24
23
22
21
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18
17
16
15
14
13
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
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Last time Beneath the Surface was my #1, and it was the lowest ranking #1. It is still my number 1.
1) This album came out round the time our first daughter was born. I was really in to it and listening to it often. I handled bedtime duty and while I realized it didn't make a great album for getting her to sleep, I would often play this song and sing it to her while we sat in her rocking chair.
2) After MP left, I had full confidence in the guys to move forward, especially once MM was announced as the new drummer. BC&SL was a big drop off in the band;'s music for me, and I saw this as a potential for a strong return. I knew with JP at the helm they had songs like Bridges in the Sky and BAI in them, so when I first heard them, I thought "ok, DT is still around and delivering songs I know they have in them. Then I got to BTS. I had no idea they had a song like that in them, especially after the departure of a founding member and integral part of their songwriting and production.
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Last time Beneath the Surface was my #1, and it was the lowest ranking #1. It is still my number 1.
1) This album came out round the time our first daughter was born. I was really in to it and listening to it often. I handled bedtime duty and while I realized it didn't make a great album for getting her to sleep, I would often play this song and sing it to her while we sat in her rocking chair.
2) After MP left, I had full confidence in the guys to move forward, especially once MM was announced as the new drummer. BC&SL was a big drop off in the band;'s music for me, and I saw this as a potential for a strong return. I knew with JP at the helm they had songs like Bridges in the Sky and BAI in them, so when I first heard them, I thought "ok, DT is still around and delivering songs I know they have in them. Then I got to BTS. I had no idea they had a song like that in them, especially after the departure of a founding member and integral part of their songwriting and production.
Cool read, thanks for sharing this perspective. Wish by Fate's Warning is that tune for me and my daughter, I totally understand where you're coming from with the song connecting you both. BTS is a great tune!
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8VM could be my favorite album if not for SS. I just find it so skippable, especially when one of their best songs is coming right after it.
I've been trying to choose my words carefully on it, but I genuinely think Sacrificed Sons is one of their worst songs (but I would probably still rank Panic Attack and Never Enough below it).
Please never quote me again.
Seriously though, I just gave SS a listen earlier. It wasn't as bad as I remembered, I forgot how the instrumental builds into that epic part (you all know what I mean). Actually...I thought it was good. Maybe that's just fresh ears after many years, or something else.
And it still isn't as utterly terrible as The Ministry of Lost Souls.
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8VM could be my favorite album if not for SS. I just find it so skippable, especially when one of their best songs is coming right after it.
I've been trying to choose my words carefully on it, but I genuinely think Sacrificed Sons is one of their worst songs (but I would probably still rank Panic Attack and Never Enough below it).
Please never quote me again.
Seriously though, I just gave SS a listen earlier. It wasn't as bad as I remembered, I forgot how the instrumental builds into that epic part (you all know what I mean). Actually...I thought it was good. Maybe that's just fresh ears after many years, or something else.
And it still isn't as utterly terrible as The Ministry of Lost Souls.
To be fair, there may be songs after 8V that I would like less, but I just don't know them well enough to say.
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64. Beneath The Surface
Highest Finish: 1 (Cool Chris)
Number of Lists appeared on: 51 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, geeeemo, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, Lethean, lightningbolt, mariner, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, Zydar)
63. Sacrificed Sons
Highest Finish: 5 (DragonAttack)
Number of Lists appeared on: 49 (Adami, Animal, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
62. Pale Blue Dot
Highest Finish: 7 (Lethean)
Number of Lists appeared on: 52 (Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaperKK, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had Beneath The Surface at #64.
Great way to close out ADTOE. Such a cool track. Don't love the Jordan solo, but when James takes it up a notch at the end...nice!
I had Sacrificed Sons at #65.
I like the frantic instrumental part a lot more than the mellow verses the precede it. Love when JP goes all Randy Rhoads.
I had Pale Blue Dot at #85.
I love the instrumental section, but I find the rest of the song pretty dry. It seems to be a model for their next album which I feel is colored in a bit more.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 Transcending Time
95 Behind The Veil
94 New Milenium
93 Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87
86
85 Pale Blue Dot
84
83
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79
78
77
76 S2N
75
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72
71
70
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58
57
56
55
54
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46
45
44
43
42
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39
38
37 Fall Into The Light
36
35 The Gift Of Music
34
33
32
31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25
24 Raise The Knife
23
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21
20
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15
14 The Best Of Times
13
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10
9
8
7
6
5
4 The Killing Hand
3
2
1
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Thinking about SS, I think its placement on the album hurts it a little. I think SS and Never Enough should have swapped positions. I know this isn't possible with the flow of the keys the songs are in but I kinda forget about SS when it comes on. After NE, I'm ready for the title track.
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Update!
64. Beneath The Surface
Highest Finish: 1 (Cool Chris)
63. Sacrificed Sons
Highest Finish: 5 (DragonAttack)
62. Pale Blue Dot
Highest Finish: 7 (Lethean)
The ADToE closer surfaced at 88 for me. I cover it every now and then and always enjoy it when I do.
Sacrificed Sons was 41. The instrumental slaps and JLB has some real powerful emotion to his vocals.
Pale Blue Dot is my 4th highest ranker from the MM era at 15. Absolute banger!
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Beneath the Surface- I had this at #84. A really lovely tune with a great performance from James.
Sacrificed Sons- Not rated, this song's never done anything for me.
Pale Blue Dot- All the way up at #28 on my list. One of the stronger tracks from Distance Over Time, and it was cool to hear them go in a slightly more djenty way for a song. This made the biggest impression on me, and most of the crowd, at the album listening party.
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67. Ytse Jam (89). This is a pretty good blueprint for their future instrumentals. I do find myself drifting a bit in the middle, but they end it off strong.
66. The Silent Man (Unranked). A pleasant little tune. That being said, it is also the reason why A Mind Beside Itself does not completely work for me as a suite.
65. Raise the Knife (43). The score version is great but the demo itself is also quite good. If they removed a few of the weaker FII tracks and replaced them with this, I would like the album a lot more.
64. Beneath the Surface (74). Great vocals from James, and I also like the lyrics a lot. I used to feel underwhelmed that this was the last song on the album, but I am starting to come around to it.
63. Sacrificed Sons (57). It gets overshadowed due to being right before Octavarium, but it is a great song in its own right. Both the mournful and the more frantic emotions are captured well.
62. Pale Blue Dot (40). Great drumming from MM, it has a more epic sound which fits with the theme of outer space.
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Here in The Netherlands there's a new DT tribute band I went to see last month (called Regressive Hypnosis) and they actually played Pale Blue Dot. I was perplexed by how much I liked it, because I rarely, if ever, play it. I have to say I think some of the vocal melodies sound a bit lazy, like they're just following the evil chords in the verse. Instrumentally though it's great. It feels like a combination of djent and Symphony X in places.
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Here in The Netherlands there's a new DT tribute band I went to see last month (called Regressive Hypnosis) and they actually played Pale Blue Dot. I was perplexed by how much I liked it, because I rarely, if ever, play it. I have to say I think some of the vocal melodies sound a bit lazy, like they're just following the evil chords in the verse. Instrumentally though it's great. It feels like a combination of djent and Symphony X in places.
Am a Dutch dude also but missed this one, too bad.
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Catching up had a few in the last few placements but of note congrats Evermind for having The Silent Man at #12. Love this tune think I might have beat Mirrorman to the runner-up spot as had it at #15 ;) :metal
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Later morning update!
61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
Highest Finish: 3 (Mladen)
Number of Lists appeared on: 49 (Adami, Animal, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, TAC, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking)
Another banger off SC. Great song with an epic outro, seeing this song live is a real treat.
60. The Bigger Picture
Highest Finish: 6 (Ben_Jamin)
Number of Lists appeared on: 51 (Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, jammindude, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking)
The song is ok, that's about all I can say about it :lol
59. Hollow Years
Highest Finish: 7 (DragonAttack)
Number of Lists appeared on: 53 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, mariner, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Good song, I think the live version is bit overhyped but still a really cool jam.
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61. Ministry of Lost Souls: #46 for me. I really liked this song when I first listened to it. Then it dropped off the map for me. But seeing it on the last tour made me appreciate it a lot more. Great piece.
60. The Bigger Picture: #53 for me. This song is the only reason (or I should say, the main reason) why I bought a 7 string guitar. Obviously it was a benefit to be able to play some of the other 7-string tracks. Great song on an album with a lot of not so great stuff.
59. Hollow Years: NR. While nice, I never understood the love for this song.
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67. Ytse Jam (90). Good, but not as good as most of the later instrumentals.
66. The Silent Man (54). A necessary breather between the relentless intensity of Voices and The Mirror. A great song on its own, but it does get elevated by being on my favorite album. Would be elevated to Top 5 if A Mind Beside Itself had been released as one song/suite.
65. Raise the Knife - (NR) I only know it from Score, which I rarely watch, and if I do, I only go for some of the favorites. I am probably missing out - a price for being an incorrigible skipper.
64. Beneath the Surface (88) I like ballads. But with DT, they it usually takes me longer time to appreciate them than other stuff.
63. Sacrificed Sons (93) DT have done a lot of better stuff. But at least it is one of the songs on Octavarium that does not feel fake to me.
62. Pale Blue Dot (NR). Like a lot of DoT, enjoyable enough when that album just happens to be playing in my car, but I don't seek it out elsewhere.
61. Ministry of Lost Souls (76) It might be slightly elevated by being a rare song I sort of like on an album I mostly dislike.
60. The Bigger Picture (65) It might be slightly downgraded by being one the many good songs on an album that I really like, but is not one of my top favorites.
59. The Hollow Years (67) Objectively, this is not what DT is about. But I always found this song to be a great singalong. One of few DT songs I like to sing and play on acoustic guitar every now and then (and unlike, say, Another Day, it can be sung even in the original key).
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Ministry of Lost Souls - none
The Bigger Picture - 96
Hollow Years - 77
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I love Hollow Years. Probably a top 20ish DT track for me. I remember when I heard it for the first time I thought, “oh this sounds like the band are growing up,” which appealed to me as a 15/16 year old for whatever reason. I enjoyed them taking a more laid back, restrained approach. Then they went and ruined it with an over the top key change and solo on Budokan.
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61 The Ministry of Lost Souls - Pretty close to the consensus. I have it at # 63. For the people who dislike it, I understand why, I think. But for whatever reason, it works for me. I don't know, man. I will say that the live version on Chaos in Motion is pretty ass. I much prefer the studio recording.
60 The Bigger Picture - I have this at # 77. I like it, but there isn't a lot going on that is spectacular. But I definitely like it.
59 Hollow Years - I guess I like this one a little better than the consensus, ranking it at # 51. I know some people much prefer the live version from Live at Budokan, but while it is definitely different, I don't think it is significantly better or worse than the studio version; I like both pretty equally.
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61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls - this made it to 94 for me... somehow. It has some very nice parts, particularly the verses and the solo at the end. Other than that, it kind of drags... well, it drags a lot actually. 15 minutes... and that seems mainly because the tempo is soooo slowwwwww...
60. The Bigger Picture - very nearly one of my overall least favourite songs. I can't stand it. I don't really know what the lyrics are about but for me they are a bit too poetic and preachy to have any real impact. This one is also a drag. I almost always skip.
59. Hollow Years - much better! This made it to 33 for me. Much more impactful. Beautiful acoustic guitar at the beginning, lovely vocals including a great and memorable chorus. The Budokan version with the extended solo is fantastic. Great song.
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TMOLS ... 70. Not my fave off of SC, and I think it meanders a little to justify it's 15 minute existence.
TBP ... 33. My top/fave track from DT12. It just has this very full and rich sound, and doesn't over-stay it's welcome (unlike Illumination Theory)
HY ... 47. I appreciate the studio version a bit more now, but I don't think a single person rating it would say it isn't elevated because of the L@B version.
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Wow, some personal high rankers here!!!!
61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
This is possibly one of the most divisive songs in DT's catalogue: some love it whole, some hate it whole, some love the slow parts but hate the solo, some the other way around.... as I previously explained, I get totally taken out of the immersion when there's such a crazy solo section slapped in the middle, and this song makes no exception. The "main" song is great and has a dramatic crescendo (do you remember me this time, even in death I gave you life...), all around I enjoy it at lot and it was great hearing it live again. Finished at 56 for me.
60. The Bigger Picture
An all around great song and possibly my favorite on DT12. After they started the 2017 tour with The Dark Eternal Night (ugh), this one in the second place was a fantastic change of pace. Finished at 42, 18 positions higher.
59. Hollow Years
One of their great ballads, I ranked it at 49. I know everyone will praise the Budokan version but it's not that the original one sucks as it is. Great stuff.
Nice to see I'm finally getting three for three, already 18 songs of my list are not there :lol
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TMOLS ... 70. Not my fave off of SC, and I think it meanders a little to justify it's 15 minute existence.
TBP ... 33. My top/fave track from DT12. It just has this very full and rich sound, and doesn't over-stay it's welcome (unlike Illumination Theory)
HY ... 47. I appreciate the studio version a bit more now, but I don't think a single person rating it would say it isn't elevated because of the L@B version.
The Budokan version is the antithesis of the studio version. It’s everything the original was never meant to be. It was “let’s take this nice song that we did that didn’t have any of our usual cliches, and let’s give it as much DT cliche as we’ve got!”
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Rough update for me today :lol
The Ministry Of Lost Souls - One of my very least favourite DT songs ever. A total snoozefest from start to finish IMHO. Needless to say I didn't rank it.
The Bigger Picture - Also a song that didn't make my Top 100, not that there's anything particularly wrong with it. Just not memorable enough to make it.
Hollow Years - Ah but here we go, I had this lovely song as high up as #14. The Budokan version is lovely, the studio version is great too.
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The Water's Edge Bowl!
The Ministry of Lost Souls: didn't make the cut. Good outro though.
The Bigger Picture: 56. Perfectly structured journey to a great finale.
Hollow Years: 79. After excruciating meditation, I settled for a medium ranking between FII and Budokan.
The Score so far:
21 - A New Beginning
27 - The Best of Times
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
56 - The Bigger Picture
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
92 - The Killing Hand
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 22
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The Water's Edge Bowl!
HAHAHAHAH so true!!!
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5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
20 Lost Not Forgotten
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
28 Fall Into the Light
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
48 A Fortune in Lies
51 Our New World
54 Wither
55 The Alien
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
61 I Walk Beside You
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
66 The Bigger Picture
68 Sleeping Giant
70 The Ministry of Lost Souls
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time
2/3. TBP is a nicely constructed tune centered around melody and vocals, very tasty. TMoLS has some great parts but does drag in spots. I don't enjoy the studio version of HY that much.
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Rank - Song - My Rank
61 - The Ministry of Lost Souls - NR - seeing this live recently made me appreciate it more, but it still didn't make my top 100
60 - The Bigger Picture - 34 - highest ranking song from DT12 for me, absolutely love this one and really happy I got to see it live on the I&W&B tour, I'm not sure they'll pull it out again
59 - Hollow Years - 47
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61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
60. The Bigger Picture
59. Hollow Years
TMOLS is a song I didn't like initially. It's still not anything I really go for, but seeing it live a couple times recently has made me appreciate it a bit more. I had it at #92, and it came in at #66 in the prior countdown.
The Bigger Picture is a solid song. I had it at #53 - lower than Behind the Veil, and higher than Surrender to Reason. For whatever reason, I think of those songs as a group. The song had a big drop from the prior countdown, in which it tied for #35.
When I first listened to FII, Hollow Years was the first song that connected with me, and it remains my highest ranked song on the album at #38. This ranking is based on the studio version only. I think the Budokan version ruins it. The song came in at #69 in the prior countdown, so a bit of a bump this time.
List Not Ranked
100 Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall into the Light (72), Honor Thy Father (71), Raise the Knife (65)
98
97 This Is the Life (88)
96
95
94
93
92 The Ministry of Lost Souls (61)
91
90
89
88
87
86
85
84 Forsaken (95)
83
82
81
80
79 Vacant (97)
78
77 The Silent Man (66)
76
75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
74
73
72
71
70
69
68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
67 The Dark Eternal Night (70)
66 Pale Blue Dot (62)
65 Transcending Time (90)
64
63
62
61 Beneath the Surface (64)
60
59 Afterlife (96)
58
57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
56
55 The Alien (69)
54
53 The Bigger Picture (60)
52
51
50
49
48
47
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45
44
43 Ytse Jam (67)
42
41 Through Her Eyes (74)
40
39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
38 Hollow Years (59)
37
36
35
34
33
32
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30
29
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26
25
24
23
22
21
20
19 Sacrificed Sons (63)
18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
16
15 The Killing Hand (68)
14
13
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
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Last time Beneath the Surface was my #1, and it was the lowest ranking #1. It is still my number 1.
1) This album came out round the time our first daughter was born. I was really in to it and listening to it often. I handled bedtime duty and while I realized it didn't make a great album for getting her to sleep, I would often play this song and sing it to her while we sat in her rocking chair.
Thanks for the share :heart :tup
At the other end of the spectrum, a close Queen and DT friend had his engagement broken off shortly after this release. We did meet her the year before, so I couldn't help thinking of them every time I heard it. I never did ask him what he thought of the song. They would eventually marry, only to divorce a few years later.
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61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
95 for me. Sweet, atmospheric and fun when the going gets tough. Different tastes notwithstanding, I can't really get why SC gets such a bad rap -- to me, they're in great form. Maybe not as poignant as they were or would be later on, but surely a band doing their thang.
60. The Bigger Picture
61, so a near match! I really get why someone would get a 7-string guitar because of it. Great balance of weight and outright pretty piano bits.
59. Hollow Years
15 for me. Yeah I'll take any version, this song just works wonders for me. Should've been part of some Don Juan de Marco-esque film in the 90s, I'll blame the label for not working in the band's favor helping them get soundtrack placements. So glad to have seen it live in 2010 (even though I wasn't aware of the Beatles-esque bridge, so that kind of blindsided me :lol )
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Solid update today, some of my favourite songs there.
The Ministry of Lost Souls - #21 - I still think the song is great. There was a time when I would've ranked it near the Top 10 but nowadays I do agree the instrumental section drags a little bit. Otherwise it's a fantastic song.
The Bigger Picture - #29 - the biggest highlight of DT12 for me. Everything in this song is great until the very end ("I am home) which I find a bit lackluster.
Hollow Years - #19 - this song really grew on me in the last ~8 years and I've got to agree with porcacultor here, both versions are amazing. Now it's the best song on FII by a mile in my book.
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I never really liked The Ministry of Lost Souls. It drags a lot and the instrumental section is like - it literally has nothing to do with the song. I’m usually rolling my eyes when ppl complain about ‘tacked on’ instrumental sections (for example the instrumental section of Endless Sacrifice gets my blood pumping and it actually leads to an awesome unison melody that perfectly gives way to the bridge of the song). But this song definitely has an instrumental section that feels like it belongs in another song.
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TMOLS ... 70. Not my fave off of SC, and I think it meanders a little to justify it's 15 minute existence.
TBP ... 33. My top/fave track from DT12. It just has this very full and rich sound, and doesn't over-stay it's welcome (unlike Illumination Theory)
HY ... 47. I appreciate the studio version a bit more now, but I don't think a single person rating it would say it isn't elevated because of the L@B version.
The Budokan version is the antithesis of the studio version. It’s everything the original was never meant to be. It was “let’s take this nice song that we did that didn’t have any of our usual cliches, and let’s give it as much DT cliche as we’ve got!”
I've never heard the Budokan version of Hollow Years. I guess I'd better check it out.
EDIT: Ok, that was very very good. Anyone else prefer Petrucci with short hair lol?
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Now the Once in a Livetime version with the extended acoustic solo at the beginning is quite nice. But they left the song itself intact.
Oh, I also forgot about the honky tonk jam on the outro on the LAB version.
Now, don’t get me wrong, there isn’t anything wrong with that sort of soloing/jamming/more power ballady approach to a song. But JP has lots of opportunities to spread out and shred, and the band do plenty of things that are more out there musically. Do all of that during one of the other songs that calls for it though!
Also also, I feel like I should fairly point out that they did a similar thing to The Silent Man on LSFNY, which I was fine with in general up until the key change at the end where James is belting at the top of his lungs. I liked what they did with it for the most part, but the ending does have a similar affect of "why did you have to do that with *this* song?"
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One thing I'm trying to get a handle on here, we've got people ranking the Top 100 who haven't heard a third of the discography. OK so I get it, you stopped following the band when they started doing stupid crap - but the point is the stupid crap went out the window when MP left. There are no Muse or Metallica or flippin' Opeth songs, it's just DT. Give it a chance, you might be pleasantly surprised. :tup
In the BCSL doc, MP says "we're taking you on a journey from Opeth to Pink Floyd". :tdwn Nope, that's troubling. I want a DT journey and I hope it continues.
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One thing I'm trying to get a handle on here, we've got people ranking the Top 100 who haven't heard a third of the discography. OK so I get it, you stopped following the band when they started doing stupid crap - but the point is the stupid crap went out the window when MP left. There are no Muse or Metallica or flippin' Opeth songs, it's just DT. Give it a chance, you might be pleasantly surprised. :tup
In the BCSL doc, MP says "we're taking you on a journey from Opeth to Pink Floyd". :tdwn Nope, that's troubling. I want a DT journey and I hope it continues.
FWIW, I didn't submit a list for this one for that reason.
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I figured I might be the highest ranker on The Ministry of Lost Souls (#10) but Mladen deserves the crown. It really is a wonderful piece with a great storyline and the music has such an emotional understream. Visited last View-tour twice and both times this was (next to The Count) my highlight of the evening.
The Bigger Picture has probably my most favorite Petrucci-solo of all... not due to it's complexity, the slow gentle movement of the structure has Gilmour written all over it. I absolutely adore this one...
Hollow Years (Budokan version) was the very first song I ever heard from Dream Theater, in 2016. It opened the door to my musical obsession, which last couple of years took over all other band-interests completely.
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
074: Sacrified Sons 9
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
050: Wither 49
048: Transcending Time 42
044: Ytse Jam 23
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
037: The Bigger Picture 23
029: Awaken the Master 52
027: Honor Thy Father 44
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
not rankend: 9 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night
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The Minstry of Lost Souls was not ranked. Systematic Chaos is one of the lowest ranked albums for me. Only two songs ranked and this is not one of them.
The Bigger Picture did not rank. Why? Listening to it now I should have had it at about rank 50 or something. Blackout when ranking.
Hollow Years ranked at 66 for me which feels about right listening to it now. Very nice ballad.
My ranking so far
19 The Silent Man (66)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
37 Our New World (93)
45 To Live Forever (76)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
75 The Alien (69)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60)
Rated: 21
Not rated: 21
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
142. Ytsejam
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
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97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
85. Constant Motion
84. Beneath The Surface. When we do this list again in a year or so, I'm going to definitely put this higher up.
80. The Enemy Inside
78. Hollow Years. That solo is KILLER in it's understatement
76. The Shattered Fortress
67. The Silent Man
59. The Gift of Music
57. The Bigger Picture
55. Pale Blue Dot
54. Answering The Call
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
46. A New Beginning
44. Forsaken
41. The Looking Glass
40. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
36. New Millenium
33. Transcending Time
31. The Best Of Times
28. Our New World
25. Raise The Knife
23. I Walk Beside You
21. Sacrificed Sons
14. To Live Forever
5. This Is The Life
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This is the only batch where I'll probably see TWO songs I didn't rank. Kinda surprised to see that happen in a batch this high.
Hollow Years is just awful. And I hate saying that about a band like DT. But I just don't like this song and never have. No idea why they insisted on playing it live regularly for two tours in a row that were after the FII tour was long over.
Ministry is another rare song that I think fails. But it was fun seeing them play the instrumental section when they brought it out live.
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TASTES TM ;)
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100. Never Enough (17th) I don't get how this is at 100. This song has many cool parts, especially the instrumental break.
99. Wither (66th) Solid song, when it hits, it's great but it doesn't always warrant a listen.
98. The Gift Of Music (92nd) It's alright. Past entry 82 on my list is stuff that just had to be ranked.
97. Vacant (70th) This song is so awesome on its own and how it leads into SoC
96. Afterlife (98th) See: The Gift of Music
95. Forsaken (87th) It's alright, live is good.
94. S2N (NR) Honestly just not familiar enough with this song yet.
93. Our New World (NR) See: S2N
92. The Looking Glass (54th) This is one of the better tracks off of DT12. Great chorus, surprised it is this low.
91. A New Beginning (NR) Couldn't tell you what album it's from.
90. Transcending Time I really don't like DT12 View at this time, with about 5 listens since returning to the forum last year. But this song stuck out and was good enough to make the list.
89. Behind The Veil (NR) See: A New Beginning
88. This Is The Life (33rd) This song is very underrated. It has a huge atmosphere to it and a great buildup to that final chorus.
87. New Millennium (NR) Not much of a fan of FII, and this song was always skippable to me.
86. Constant Motion (35th) Sometimes you need a straightforward song, DT does it great here, and the instrumental section with the bass and piano is cool as hell.
85. Sleeping Giant (NR)
84. The Enemy Inside (36th) Great, straightforward song, and ranks right next to Constant Motion.
83. Surrender To Reason (64th) This was a mistake to place it at 64th, but by the time I was ranking stuff, I didn't care past a certain point. Relistening now and it's alright, should actually be in the 90s or off my list, so an oversight on my part.
82. Only A Matter Of Time (97th) Not bad, something had to be here.
81. Awaken The Master (NR)
80. I Walk Beside You (43rd) What a great song, when DT does more uplifting/major key stuff, it's really great, usually. Feels very underrated to me. This song has layers to it musically, stuff that feels more subtle than usual. Also fun to play on the bass.
79. The Shattered Fortress (22nd) A few clunky transitions aside, amazing song. Only TGP is the better song in the 12-step suite. And of course, that ending "I am RESPONSIBLE!"
78. A Fortune In Lies (86th) Pretty good song, chorus can stuck in your head. Charlie does a fantastic job, though the live version with JLB is stellar.
77. The Best Of Times (62nd) The intro and body of the song are a few minutes too long. The feel of the song is good, though, and that outro solo is top tier.
76. To Live Forever (NR) I do not remember this song.
75. Answering The Call (NR) Don't know it well enough.
74. Through Her Eyes (NR) It's alright, has a couple of nice moments. Maybe could have made my top 100 but not mad about it.
73. Lost Not Forgotten (75th) It's pretty okay. Some cool energy in the chorus.
72. Fall Into The Light (NR)
71. Honor Thy Father (78th) I enjoy this but is far and away the worst song on TOT as well.
70. The Dark Eternal Night (26th) WTF why is this song so low? Don't take it seriously. I did when it first came out and then realized that this is supposed to be a fun song. I love playing the intro riff on the keyboard.
69. The Alien (NR) I do know this song, and it's meh. Maybe more time would move it up.
68. The Killing Hand (96th) In my top 100 for "the killing haaaaaaaand"
67. Ytse Jam (56th) A good instrumental. A highlight of WDADU.
66. The Silent Man (38th) DT on full acoustic mode. Tasteful song.
65. Raise The Knife (57th) Great unofficial song. Chorus is nice.
64. Beneath The Surface (59th) Great song, not far off from the forum. It holds a special place in my heart for carrying me through some depressing times when it came out.
63. Sacrificed Sons (85th) I should relisten, but it is far and away the worst song on the album. It's too long and like hef said, too dated.
62. Pale Blue Dot (NR) No idea what it sounds like, I will try to listen some time this year.
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61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls (NR) Not ranked because it blows, it is one if the worst DT songs, and the fact that it made it to #60 is morally depressing. Do better, DTF! FOR SHAME!
60. The Bigger Picture (NR) It's alright.
59. Hollow Years (20th) I ranked it this high based on the LaB version only. They took an okay song (where it would rank much, much lower) and made it much more listenable. And what really propels it is, of course, the guitar solo.
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I think the Hollow Years (my #68) from Budokan is really cool, just in giving us something different live, with a bit of improvisation. But honestly the studio version has the perfect arrangement for this really nice ballad, improving a lot its demo version.
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The Ministry of Lost Souls - this appears to be a very polarising song. It doesn't at all work for me but it obviously works for some to make it surprisingly this high in the countdown. Unranked.
The Bigger Picture - melodically, this is a strong song but probably does not nail all the parts cohesively enough to be truly great. My rank 65.
Hollow Years - I'm a bit of a sucker for most of the songs on FII, a couple of them are terrible but Hollow Years has always been one that I've really liked and connected with. Some really nice vocals on this track. My rank 59.
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Woohoo, another 3/3 day!
I started off with another high ranker from Systematic Chaos, as The Ministry of Lost Souls came in at #21. I'm just a sucker for those slow melodic guitar leads. The instrumental section is cool as fuck, seriously surprised more people don't love this. Should've been higher in my book.
I'm surprised to see The Bigger Picture this high. I had it at #57, which was almost bang on, but I kinda expected general consensus to be lower. It's a damn cool song though and I particularly like the ending, after the little piano section, that starts around 5:30. "You look but cannot see...". Great stuff.
Lastly Hollow. This snuck in at #93, and I couldn't put it any higher than that. It's an OK ballad, nothing more, nothing less for me.
My ranking so far:
13. Wither
18. The Dark Eternal Night
20. Never Enough
21. The Ministry of Lost Souls
23. Sacrificed Sons
27. The Best of Times
29. Constant Motion
30. A New Beginning
31. The Shattered Fortress
35. The Enemy Inside
36. I Walk Beside You
44. Through Her Eyes
45. The Looking Glass
49. Forsaken
55. Behind the Veil
57. The Bigger Picture
62. Surrender to Reason
64. Fall Into the Light
69. Ytse Jam
73. Honor Thy Father
80. To Live Forever
83. This is the Life
84. Lost Not Forgotten
86. Our New World
93. Hollow Years
96. Beneath the Surface
99. Pale Blue Dot
100. New Millennium
Not ranked:
109. Vacant
110. The Silent Man
111. Raise The Knife
112. Only a Matter of Time
113. Afterlife
114. A Fortune in Lies
115. The Killing Hand
119. Sleeping Giant
121. Awaken the Master
122. Answering the Call
123. Transcending Time
124. The Alien
125. S2N
140. The Gift of Music
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TMOLS came in at 75. It takes a while to get going and it's gets better as it goes along. An enjoyable enough song just feels longer than it needs to be.
TBP came in at 37. Love this song and loved it from the start. Such a perfect representation of DT on a whole.
Hollow Years came in at 91. Nice tune. Budokan version makes it way better.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77
76
75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
73
72
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63
62
61
60
59
58 Afterlife
57
56
55
54
53
52
51 Answering the Call
50
49
48 The Shattered Fortress
47
46
45
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43
42 Never Enough
41
40
39
38
37 The Bigger Picture
36
35
34
33
32 I Walk Beside You
31
30
29 Surrender to Reason
28
27
26
25
24
23
22
21
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18
17
16
15
14
13
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
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61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
Highest Finish: 3 (Mladen)
Number of Lists appeared on: 49 (Adami, Animal, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, TAC, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking)
60. The Bigger Picture
Highest Finish: 6 (Ben_Jamin)
Number of Lists appeared on: 51 (Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, jammindude, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking)
59. Hollow Years
Highest Finish: 7 (DragonAttack)
Number of Lists appeared on: 53 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, mariner, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had The Ministry Of Lost Souls at #42.
I actually love this song and find it very moving. My only complaint is the never ending outro.
I had The Bigger Picture at #62.
I feel like I underrate this song, although I did rate it a touch higher than the aggregate.
I had Hollow Years at #23.
Without the Budokan version, this song doesn't make my Top 100.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 Transcending Time
95 Behind The Veil
94 New Milenium
93 Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87
86
85 Pale Blue Dot
84
83
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79
78
77
76 S2N
75
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72
71
70
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58
57
56
55
54
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46
45
44
43
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39
38
37 Fall Into The Light
36
35 The Gift Of Music
34
33
32
31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21
20
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15
14 The Best Of Times
13
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10
9
8
7
6
5
4 The Killing Hand
3
2
1
29 -13
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69. The Alien NR The only weak spot on a solid album.
68. The Killing Hand NR Could never get in to this song, even when I heard it with James.
67. Ytse Jam #54 First time I heard this was on the Instrumedley. Had no idea what it was as even by then I wasn’t familiar with WDaDU.
66. The Silent Man #73 One of my favorites on Awake when it came out but others have since surpassed it.
65. Raise The Knife #95 Better than most of FII, but that doesn’t say much. Ballsy to include on SCORE and definitely paid off based on what I’ve read here at least.
64. Beneath The Surface #1 Discussed above, but forgot to say it also includes my favorite Jordan moment. I can’t actually name my #2 Jordan moment. For all that he brings to the band musically, I don’t tend to think of Jordan “moments.”
63. Sacrificed Sons #91 Hey, 2 consecutive songs that start with way too much time (and by too much I mean more than 10 seconds) of vocal samples. I hate it. Surprised I ranked this one in the 90s.
62. Pale Blue Dot #84 See above. Some good stuff here, but like some of DT’s more recent material, this never coalesces in to a great song.
61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls #21 I love this song. Y’all who complain about the instrumental section are crazy.
60. The Bigger Picture #66 Like most songs on DT12 it is fine. It isn’t offensive in any way. It’s a good listen, but doesn’t do anything to distinguish itself.
59. Hollow Years #85 I ranked all the songs based on their album version. When I first got FII this was in the upper half, which still ranked it lower than anything on I&W and Awake. It’s ok. The Budokan version is great.
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61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls #21 I love this song. Y’all who complain about the instrumental section are crazy.
Agreed. I don't think that instrumental section is out of place at all. And it's dope af regardless.
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The Ministry of lost souls was my #3. I absolutely knew I would be the highest ranker. This song is a masterpiece in every single way for me. It actually features my favorite guitar solo of all time. Glorious stuff. :heart
The Bigger picture didn't make it for me. It's good, but not quite top 100 material.
Hollow years was my #83. It's a beautiful ballad that is one of my favorites on an otherwise underwhelming and an inconsistent album.
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An overall 60 isn't bad and thrilled to see The Bigger Picture get a #6 ranking :metal
I had it at #21 right before Behind The Veil.
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61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls #21 I love this song. Y’all who complain about the instrumental section are crazy.
Agreed. I don't think that instrumental section is out of place at all. And it's dope af regardless.
Yeah, it's no more out of place than the Endless Sacrifice instrumental section, or the Sacrificed Sons instrumental section.
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The Ministry of Lost Souls- More like the Ministry of Lost Interest amirite? I feel like I enjoy SC as a whole more than a lot of other DT fans whose taste aligns with mine on favorite DT albums, but this song does absolutely nothing for me. It was a little bit better seeing it live on the last headlining tour, but still wasn't even in consideration for the top 100. Maybe my least favorite longer DT song.
The Bigger Picture- I was just a touch lower than the consensus, I had it at #75. Nothing fancy, just a well-done straight-ahead song by DT standards.
Hollow Years- I had this up a bit at #38. It may have made my list in some fashion based on the FII, but Budokan is the reason it's not back near 100. Just one of JP's crowning moments as a guitar player and singlehandedly refutes the notion that technique and feel are exclusive when it comes to guitar solos.
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Friday afternoon update!
58. Outcry
Highest Finish: 11 (Dream Team)
Number of Lists appeared on: 49 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, Mosh, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaperKK, Revenge319, romdrums, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking)
Kind of a middle of the road song for me, it didn't even break top 50 for me but I don't skip it when it comes on.
57. Hell's Kitchen
Highest Finish: 4 (lucasembarbosa)
Number of Lists appeared on: 50 (Adami, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MoraWintersoul, MustActFastToCoverUp, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking)
My favorite of the DT instrumentals and has been a top 20 song for me for a long time. This go around it placed just below 20 but still a stellar song.
56. On The Backs Of Angels
Highest Finish: 7 (Jamesman42)
Number of Lists appeared on: 57 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jeff_kinsley, jonny108, JPZealot, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Never felt too hot on this track. When it was first released I was pretty disappointed and thought the MM ear wasn't going to be great. Fortunately I was wrong but I still never warmed up this song.
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58. Outcry: #72. This used to be my favorite track from this album, but it hasn't aged well.
57. Hell's Kitchen: NR. Did not rank for me (despite me being included on the "lists appeared on"). #94. I have a controversial opinion about DT's instrumentals, but I'll keep that to myself :)
56. On The Backs of Angels: #56. Fun track, and probably the best "single" from the MM era. The guitar work is really fun here.
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Hell’s Kitchen is my favorite DT instrumental as well. A gorgeous piece of music that was thankfully rescued from the belly of Burnjng My Soul so it could stand alone as it deserves!
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58 Outcry - This is a good song, although I don't like it as much as the consensus here. It comes in at # 79 for me. I really like how when it makes the turn toward the end it changes key downward instead of upward - pretty unusual. Me likey.
57 Hell's Kitchen - Dream Theater's most sumptuous and gorgeous instrumental. I mean, it's just awesome. I had it at # 12.
56 On The Backs of Angels - Another song that I like, but not as much as the consensus, ranking it at # 87. A nice, fresh take on Pull Me Under lol
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58. Outcry: #72. This used to be my favorite track from this album, but it hasn't aged well.
57. Hell's Kitchen: NR. Did not rank for me (despite me being included on the "lists appeared on"). I have a controversial opinion about DT's instrumentals, but I'll keep that to myself :)
56. On The Backs of Angels: #56. Fun track, and probably the best "single" from the MM era. The guitar work is really fun here.
Check number 94 on your list ;)
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Outcry was my #47. It's fantastic start to finish. I'm surprised I didn't rank it higher. I do remember it being the last one to grow on me on the album, though.
Hell's kitchen didn't make it for me. I never really got it.
On the backs of angels was my #36. It's their best lead single in a looong time. The memories of it coming out and getting us excited about the new Dream Theater era are something I'll always treasure.
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58. Outcry: #72. This used to be my favorite track from this album, but it hasn't aged well.
57. Hell's Kitchen: NR. Did not rank for me (despite me being included on the "lists appeared on"). #94 I have a controversial opinion about DT's instrumentals, but I'll keep that to myself :)
56. On The Backs of Angels: #56. Fun track, and probably the best "single" from the MM era. The guitar work is really fun here.
Check number 94 on your list ;)
I stand corrected :lol I could've sworn it didn't make the list. Sorry for doubting you :)
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Nah it's alright :lol trust me I'd made a ton of mistakes too, that's why when I saw your post I immediately went back and checked :)
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58. Outcry
57. Hell's Kitchen
56. On The Backs Of Angels
I really dig Outcry - especially having seen it live. I had it at #33. It ranked at #37 in the prior countdown, so this is a pretty big drop.
I really didn't pay much attention to Hell's Kitchen when FII was released or for a long time after. Eventually, I heard snippets in random contexts and finally figured out what it was and listened to the whole thing. Great instrumental, and I really wish DT would write something like that now. I had it at #60, and it came in at #42 in the last countdown.
On the Backs of Angels is a really solid song and a great way to begin the Mangini era. I had it at #44, and it came in at #73 in the last countdown, so it got a big boost this time.
List Not Ranked
100 Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall into the Light (72), Honor Thy Father (71), Raise the Knife (65)
98
97 This Is the Life (88)
96
95
94
93
92 The Ministry of Lost Souls (61)
91
90
89
88
87
86
85
84 Forsaken (95)
83
82
81
80
79 Vacant (97)
78
77 The Silent Man (66)
76
75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
74
73
72
71
70
69
68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
67 The Dark Eternal Night (70)
66 Pale Blue Dot (62)
65 Transcending Time (90)
64
63
62
61 Beneath the Surface (64)
60 Hell's Kitchen (57)
59 Afterlife (96)
58
57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
56
55 The Alien (69)
54
53 The Bigger Picture (60)
52
51
50
49
48
47
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45
44 On the Backs of Angels (56)
43 Ytse Jam (67)
42
41 Through Her Eyes (74)
40
39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
38 Hollow Years (59)
37
36
35
34
33 Outcry (33)
32
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30
29
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26
25
24
23
22
21
20
19 Sacrificed Sons (63)
18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
16
15 The Killing Hand (68)
14
13
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
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Outcry ... 71. Chorus is really nice. The instrumental breakdown is good - middle-of-the-road as far as instrumental sections go, imo. James sounds really good, and it sounds like.
Hell's Kitchen ... 28. Not the highest instrumental, but up there. I mean, we're splitting hairs with the two a above it, afaic. Sidenote, when meeting Admiral Jackbar for the 1st time 12-13 years ago or so, the pub we went to had a pizza called Hell's Kitchen. Naturally, we ordered it.
On the Back's of Angels ... NR. As I said, I never was a fan of any of the singles that were released post 8vm - Forsaken, A Rite of Passage, this, Enemy Inside, Untethered Angel, The Alien... all failed to make my list.
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58. Outcry
Great song, I had it at 50.
57. Hell's Kitchen
While I don't outright dislike the song, and it's perfectly fine, I never understood the love for it. Half of it was misplaced into a song where it didn't belong and, hot take, it benefitted from having the middle section lifted; the second half owes its greatness to the beginning of another song (Lines in the Sand of course) since it was done to properly connect to it. A weird hybrid that didn't rank for me. Again, it's not that I hate the song, good for you all who are into it ;D
56. On The Backs Of Angels
A nice, catchy and concise song. Finished at 63 for me. Guess on any given day it could have swapped some positions with Outcry but it's fine either way. Solid track.
So far, 19 songs of mine didn't rank. I predict the total count might be 21. Slightly higher unless we're in for more surprises.
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Outcry: 28. Excellent. Classic DT at their best with a surprising second wind.
Hell's Kitchen: 38. When Dream Theater really used to brush paintings in your mind.
On the Backs of Angels: didn't make the cut. Another victim of the Ranker without many arguments to fight back.
The Score so far:
21 - A New Beginning
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
56 - The Bigger Picture
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
92 - The Killing Hand
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 23
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Three strike outs today...
24 not rated so far wonder how many more?
Was sure I would be quite high on songs not ranked collectively. Got quite a few songs from The Astonishing that will never make an apperance....
Outcry, listening to it now it's an Ok song but not enough to get into the 100s.
Hell's Kitchen, same here, nothing that really grabs me to push it into the 100s.
On The Back's of Angels... this one might have stood a slim chance of getting into the 100s had I listened while ranking and not going by memory but not higher.
My ranking so far
19 The Silent Man (66)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
37 Our New World (93)
45 To Live Forever (76)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
75 The Alien (69)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56)
Rated: 21
Not rated: 24
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Outcry - none
Hell's Kitchen - 11
On the Backs of Angels - none
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Hell's Kitchen ... 28. Not the highest instrumental, but up there. I mean, we're splitting hairs with the two a above it, afaic. Sidenote, when meeting Admiral Jackbar for the 1st time 12-13 years ago or so, the pub we went to had a pizza called Hell's Kitchen. Naturally, we ordered it.
When my daughter and I were in NYC back in 2019, we happened upon this place. Unfortunately, it wasn't mealtime, and we didn't get back in the area when we were ready to eat. And it appears now to be closed.
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I forgot to include Outcry in my Top 100! (If I had, it would be my #75). Anyway, it's the song on Dramatic that suffers the most with the weak drum sound, specially in its first half. All its Dance of Eternity like instrumental section is incredible.
Hell's Kitchen (my# 53) is just a beautiful instrumental and became perfect outside Burning My Soul, another great production decision IMO.
On the Back of Angels really excited me at the time, because I could feel the keyboards went back to where they should belong in DT's sound, but... I don't know, I still think it's well crafted song, but I think it's a bit boring when I listen to it nowadays.
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58. Outcry
Highest Finish: 11 (Dream Team)
Number of Lists appeared on: 49 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, Mosh, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaperKK, Revenge319, romdrums, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking)
57. Hell's Kitchen
Highest Finish: 4 (lucasembarbosa)
Number of Lists appeared on: 50 (Adami, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MoraWintersoul, MustActFastToCoverUp, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking)
56. On The Backs Of Angels
Highest Finish: 7 (Jamesman42)
Number of Lists appeared on: 57 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jeff_kinsley, jonny108, JPZealot, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had Outcry at #21.
A standout track from ADTOE. I just think the song is emotional and sectacular.
I had Hell's Kitchen as Not Rated.
I'm glad they removed it from the original version of BMS. I mean, talk about musical sections that had nothing to do with their song.., but for some reason, Hell's Kitchen just feels incomplete to me. It has its moments, but I didn't rate it.
I had On The Backs Of Angels at #79.
I remember the first time I heard the intro to this when it premiered. I literally freaked out when it began and when the full band started in. I immediately wondered where James was in this song, as he sounded completely neutered. It's a decent song enough song though .
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 Transcending Time
95 Behind The Veil
94 New Milenium
93 Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86
85 Pale Blue Dot
84
83
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78
77
76 S2N
75
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72
71
70
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
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57
56
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54
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46
45
44
43
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39
38
37 Fall Into The Light
36
35 The Gift Of Music
34
33
32
31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15
14 The Best Of Times
13
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11 Lost Not Forgotten.
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5
4 The Killing Hand
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Outcry - one of the best songs on the album but overall it is an album I don't return to often at all. My rank 75.
Hell's Kitchen - a really powerful instrumental and one I have always enjoyed. My rank 62.
On The Back of Angels - another good song from ADToA. My rank 44.
So far 10 songs unranked and only 1 of my top 40 has been revealed.
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
155. Hell's Kitchen
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
142. Ytsejam
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
109. Outcry
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
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97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
90. On The Backs Of Angels
85. Constant Motion
84. Beneath The Surface
80. The Enemy Inside
78. Hollow Years
76. The Shattered Fortress
67. The Silent Man
59. The Gift of Music
57. The Bigger Picture
55. Pale Blue Dot
54. Answering The Call
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
46. A New Beginning
44. Forsaken
41. The Looking Glass
40. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
36. New Millenium
33. Transcending Time
31. The Best Of Times
28. Our New World
25. Raise The Knife
23. I Walk Beside You
21. Sacrificed Sons
14. To Live Forever
5. This Is The Life
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5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
11 Outcry
20 Lost Not Forgotten
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
28 Fall Into the Light
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
48 A Fortune in Lies
51 Our New World
54 Wither
55 The Alien
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
61 I Walk Beside You
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
66 The Bigger Picture
68 Sleeping Giant
70 The Ministry of Lost Souls
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
95 On the Backs of Angels
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time, Outcry
HK almost made it. Outcry is 1 of 6 songs from ADToE in my Top 30 :omg:. Amazing song and that little interlude after the craziness of the long instrumental part is one of their tastiest pieces of music. Love the beginning and ending of OTBoA but the middle is kind of ordinary.
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Outcry came in for me at 36. Best song on the album for me and really jumped the rankings from the last list over time. Amazing chorus and killer long instrumental section.
Hell's Kitchen came in at 80. John's work here is amazing but I feel it needs a bit more. Tim is right, feels unfinished, but the solo makes it easily top 100 worthy.
OTBOA really jumped the rankings also my last listen. I never rated it but I recently enjoyed it. 61 for me.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
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86 Through Her Eyes
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82 Transcending Time
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79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
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75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
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71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
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68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
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61 On the Backs of Angels
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58 Afterlife
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51 Answering the Call
50
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48 The Shattered Fortress
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44 The Dark Eternal Night
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42 Never Enough
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37 The Bigger Picture
36 Outcry
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32 I Walk Beside You
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29 Surrender to Reason
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20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
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100. Never Enough (17th) I don't get how this is at 100. This song has many cool parts, especially the instrumental break.
99. Wither (66th) Solid song, when it hits, it's great but it doesn't always warrant a listen.
98. The Gift Of Music (92nd) It's alright. Past entry 82 on my list is stuff that just had to be ranked.
97. Vacant (70th) This song is so awesome on its own and how it leads into SoC
96. Afterlife (98th) See: The Gift of Music
95. Forsaken (87th) It's alright, live is good.
94. S2N (NR) Honestly just not familiar enough with this song yet.
93. Our New World (NR) See: S2N
92. The Looking Glass (54th) This is one of the better tracks off of DT12. Great chorus, surprised it is this low.
91. A New Beginning (NR) Couldn't tell you what album it's from.
90. Transcending Time I really don't like DT12 View at this time, with about 5 listens since returning to the forum last year. But this song stuck out and was good enough to make the list.
89. Behind The Veil (NR) See: A New Beginning
88. This Is The Life (33rd) This song is very underrated. It has a huge atmosphere to it and a great buildup to that final chorus.
87. New Millennium (NR) Not much of a fan of FII, and this song was always skippable to me.
86. Constant Motion (35th) Sometimes you need a straightforward song, DT does it great here, and the instrumental section with the bass and piano is cool as hell.
85. Sleeping Giant (NR)
84. The Enemy Inside (36th) Great, straightforward song, and ranks right next to Constant Motion.
83. Surrender To Reason (64th) This was a mistake to place it at 64th, but by the time I was ranking stuff, I didn't care past a certain point. Relistening now and it's alright, should actually be in the 90s or off my list, so an oversight on my part.
82. Only A Matter Of Time (97th) Not bad, something had to be here.
81. Awaken The Master (NR)
80. I Walk Beside You (43rd) What a great song, when DT does more uplifting/major key stuff, it's really great, usually. Feels very underrated to me. This song has layers to it musically, stuff that feels more subtle than usual. Also fun to play on the bass.
79. The Shattered Fortress (22nd) A few clunky transitions aside, amazing song. Only TGP is the better song in the 12-step suite. And of course, that ending "I am RESPONSIBLE!"
78. A Fortune In Lies (86th) Pretty good song, chorus can stuck in your head. Charlie does a fantastic job, though the live version with JLB is stellar.
77. The Best Of Times (62nd) The intro and body of the song are a few minutes too long. The feel of the song is good, though, and that outro solo is top tier.
76. To Live Forever (NR) I do not remember this song.
75. Answering The Call (NR) Don't know it well enough.
74. Through Her Eyes (NR) It's alright, has a couple of nice moments. Maybe could have made my top 100 but not mad about it.
73. Lost Not Forgotten (75th) It's pretty okay. Some cool energy in the chorus.
72. Fall Into The Light (NR)
71. Honor Thy Father (78th) I enjoy this but is far and away the worst song on TOT as well.
70. The Dark Eternal Night (26th) WTF why is this song so low? Don't take it seriously. I did when it first came out and then realized that this is supposed to be a fun song. I love playing the intro riff on the keyboard.
69. The Alien (NR) I do know this song, and it's meh. Maybe more time would move it up.
68. The Killing Hand (96th) In my top 100 for "the killing haaaaaaaand"
67. Ytse Jam (56th) A good instrumental. A highlight of WDADU.
66. The Silent Man (38th) DT on full acoustic mode. Tasteful song.
65. Raise The Knife (57th) Great unofficial song. Chorus is nice.
64. Beneath The Surface (59th) Great song, not far off from the forum. It holds a special place in my heart for carrying me through some depressing times when it came out.
63. Sacrificed Sons (85th) I should relisten, but it is far and away the worst song on the album. It's too long and like hef said, too dated.
62. Pale Blue Dot (NR) No idea what it sounds like, I will try to listen some time this year.
61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls (NR) Not ranked because it blows, it is one if the worst DT songs, and the fact that it made it to #60 is morally depressing. Do better, DTF! FOR SHAME!
60. The Bigger Picture (NR) It's alright.
59. Hollow Years (20th) I ranked it this high based on the LaB version only. They took an okay song (where it would rank much, much lower) and made it much more listenable. And what really propels it is, of course, the guitar solo.
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58. Outcry (51st) Great song. And I am glad hef said what he said about this song, he said it around when it came out (I think, or some time after), the downturn at the end is really well done. Dad, that always stuck in my mind for over a decade :lol
57. Hell's Kitchen (21st) DT's second best instrumental. In my mind, a song they HAD to make. It just makes sense and is a shining star on an okay album.
56. On The Backs Of Angels (Highest Finish: 7 (Jamesman42)) I hold this highest finish with pride. I remember when this came out (did this leak?, can't remember now). I was floored by how amazing it was. The whole album would end up being excellent, but this song feels like no other DT song to me. It has the stuff I wish was on BCSL when MP started saying "imagine having Metropolis and all these other songs". No part goes on too long, incredible atmosphere, lyrics are great, that outro is fun, imo they just knocked it out of the park with this one.
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Of the songs that didn't make my list: Lost Not Forgotten, The Dark Eternal Night and Through Her Eyes are very rare examples of DT songs I actually dislike, although I do quite enjoy the Live Scenes version of Through Her Eyes when Theresa and John liven up the beginning and end a bit. Raise The Knife should have been included, I just listened again and it was an oversight to leave it off. To Live Forever is a nice tune but there are 100 nicer.
And by the way, about the U2 discussion from earlier in the thread - the U2 influence in I Walk Beside You is in the chorus, which is similar to the chorus of Where The Streets Have No Name (to my ears anyway).
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And by the way, about the U2 discussion from earlier in the thread - the U2 influence in I Walk Beside You is in the chorus, which is similar to the chorus of Where The Streets Have No Name (to my ears anyway).
Good call!
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100. Never Enough (17th) I don't get how this is at 100. This song has many cool parts, especially the instrumental break.
99. Wither (66th) Solid song, when it hits, it's great but it doesn't always warrant a listen.
98. The Gift Of Music (92nd) It's alright. Past entry 82 on my list is stuff that just had to be ranked.
97. Vacant (70th) This song is so awesome on its own and how it leads into SoC
96. Afterlife (98th) See: The Gift of Music
95. Forsaken (87th) It's alright, live is good.
94. S2N (NR) Honestly just not familiar enough with this song yet.
93. Our New World (NR) See: S2N
92. The Looking Glass (54th) This is one of the better tracks off of DT12. Great chorus, surprised it is this low.
91. A New Beginning (NR) Couldn't tell you what album it's from.
90. Transcending Time I really don't like DT12 View at this time, with about 5 listens since returning to the forum last year. But this song stuck out and was good enough to make the list.
89. Behind The Veil (NR) See: A New Beginning
88. This Is The Life (33rd) This song is very underrated. It has a huge atmosphere to it and a great buildup to that final chorus.
87. New Millennium (NR) Not much of a fan of FII, and this song was always skippable to me.
86. Constant Motion (35th) Sometimes you need a straightforward song, DT does it great here, and the instrumental section with the bass and piano is cool as hell.
85. Sleeping Giant (NR)
84. The Enemy Inside (36th) Great, straightforward song, and ranks right next to Constant Motion.
83. Surrender To Reason (64th) This was a mistake to place it at 64th, but by the time I was ranking stuff, I didn't care past a certain point. Relistening now and it's alright, should actually be in the 90s or off my list, so an oversight on my part.
82. Only A Matter Of Time (97th) Not bad, something had to be here.
81. Awaken The Master (NR)
80. I Walk Beside You (43rd) What a great song, when DT does more uplifting/major key stuff, it's really great, usually. Feels very underrated to me. This song has layers to it musically, stuff that feels more subtle than usual. Also fun to play on the bass.
79. The Shattered Fortress (22nd) A few clunky transitions aside, amazing song. Only TGP is the better song in the 12-step suite. And of course, that ending "I am RESPONSIBLE!"
78. A Fortune In Lies (86th) Pretty good song, chorus can stuck in your head. Charlie does a fantastic job, though the live version with JLB is stellar.
77. The Best Of Times (62nd) The intro and body of the song are a few minutes too long. The feel of the song is good, though, and that outro solo is top tier.
76. To Live Forever (NR) I do not remember this song.
75. Answering The Call (NR) Don't know it well enough.
74. Through Her Eyes (NR) It's alright, has a couple of nice moments. Maybe could have made my top 100 but not mad about it.
73. Lost Not Forgotten (75th) It's pretty okay. Some cool energy in the chorus.
72. Fall Into The Light (NR)
71. Honor Thy Father (78th) I enjoy this but is far and away the worst song on TOT as well.
70. The Dark Eternal Night (26th) WTF why is this song so low? Don't take it seriously. I did when it first came out and then realized that this is supposed to be a fun song. I love playing the intro riff on the keyboard.
69. The Alien (NR) I do know this song, and it's meh. Maybe more time would move it up.
68. The Killing Hand (96th) In my top 100 for "the killing haaaaaaaand"
67. Ytse Jam (56th) A good instrumental. A highlight of WDADU.
66. The Silent Man (38th) DT on full acoustic mode. Tasteful song.
65. Raise The Knife (57th) Great unofficial song. Chorus is nice.
64. Beneath The Surface (59th) Great song, not far off from the forum. It holds a special place in my heart for carrying me through some depressing times when it came out.
63. Sacrificed Sons (85th) I should relisten, but it is far and away the worst song on the album. It's too long and like hef said, too dated.
62. Pale Blue Dot (NR) No idea what it sounds like, I will try to listen some time this year.
61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls (NR) Not ranked because it blows, it is one if the worst DT songs, and the fact that it made it to #60 is morally depressing. Do better, DTF! FOR SHAME!
60. The Bigger Picture (NR) It's alright.
59. Hollow Years (20th) I ranked it this high based on the LaB version only. They took an okay song (where it would rank much, much lower) and made it much more listenable. And what really propels it is, of course, the guitar solo.
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58. Outcry (51st) Great song. And I am glad hef said what he said about this song, he said it around when it came out (I think, or some time after), the downturn at the end is really well done. Dad, that always stuck in my mind for over a decade :lol
57. Hell's Kitchen (21st) DT's second best instrumental. In my mind, a song they HAD to make. It just makes sense and is a shining star on an okay album.
56. On The Backs Of Angels (Highest Finish: 7 (Jamesman42)) I hold this highest finish with pride. I remember when this came out (did this leak?, can't remember now). I was floored by how amazing it was. The whole album would end up being excellent, but this song feels like no other DT song to me. It has the stuff I wish was on BCSL when MP started saying "imagine having Metropolis and all these other songs". No part goes on too long, incredible atmosphere, lyrics are great, that outro is fun, imo they just knocked it out of the park with this one.
Out of curiosity where does ADTOE land on your DT album ranking?
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I don't know really, so I will rank the albums now:
SDOIT
8VM
TOT
ADTOE
IaW
Awake
SC
BCSL
SFAM
DT12
FII
WDADU
View
(don't know TA and DoT well enough to rank)
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Shameless drop from Outcry, as Indiscipline said, stellar Dream Theater classic. Had it at #18.
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
074: Sacrified Sons 9
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
050: Wither 49
048: Transcending Time 42
044: Ytse Jam 23
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
037: The Bigger Picture 23
029: Awaken the Master 52
027: Honor Thy Father 44
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
not rankend: 9 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night
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I don't know really, so I will rank the albums now:
SDOIT
8VM
TOT
ADTOE
IaW
Awake
SC
BCSL
SFAM
DT12
FII
WDADU
View
(don't know TA and DoT well enough to rank)
Really can't tell if your list is bottom-up or upside down, which is your favorite, Six Degrees or A View?
(Although, since you aren't familiar with #13 & #14, I might have a clue).
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And by the way, about the U2 discussion from earlier in the thread - the U2 influence in I Walk Beside You is in the chorus, which is similar to the chorus of Where The Streets Have No Name (to my ears anyway).
Good call!
Yes this has always been very obvious to me and is a reason I don’t like the song. The similarity is too jarring to my ears.
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Another rough update for me.
Outcry and Hell's Kitchen didn't make my Top 100. On The Backs Of Angels placed #58 though, a fine song from the first album with MM.
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61. The Ministry of Lost Souls (22). For me, this is the shining moment of Systematic Chaos, even more than ITPOE. It tells an interesting and moving story, and unlike some other songs on the album, I have no issues with the vocal delivery. I won't argue that it might be a bit too long, but because the song works so well for me, I do not mind.
60. The Bigger Picture (90). Starts out decently, it's the last few minutes that help elevate the song.
59. Hollow Years (Unranked). I am so conflicted with this one. The original studio track is an easy skip for me, but the Budokan version really does so much for it. Ultimately the studio albums factored the most into my rankings, and so it did not make the cut.
58. Outcry (53). That instrumental section is one of the most over-the-top things I have heard from them. It is teetering on the line of being too much, but I just love all the different sounds they go to in fast succession. The piano transition and verse following it are also great.
57. Hell's Kitchen (83). I enjoy Lines in the Sand a lot, and it would not be complete without hearing this first.
56. On the Backs of Angels (24). I'm realizing that a common theme among the songs from ADTOE is great intros, this is no exception. Probably the most immediate song from the album, and the piano solo is wonderful.
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Had a good run in the beginning of the week with 8 hits in a row, some very close to their actual placement, second half a mixed bag with some no-shows and some high flyers.
73. Lost Not Forgotten my 43. Being honest to myself, this is the song I have the most fun listening to on the whole album.
72. Fall Into The Light 71
71. Honor Thy Father 36
70. The Dark Eternal Night 64
69. The Alien 17. This has grown on me and I like it a lot now. There were times I could listen to it over and over again. My impression here is "firing on all cylinders". MM is fantastic on this.
68. The Killing Hand 69. Great to see a #1 placement (and some Top Ten, too).
67. Ytse Jam 54, the highest ranked WDADU song on my list and, I guess, at the main list, too.
66. The Silent Man 93
65. Raise The Knife NR
64. Beneath The Surface NR
63. Sacrificed Sons 15. The first verses are "mellow DT" at their best IMO. Looking at my list now, it could have swapped places with songs 10 or 15 spots lower, so much good stuff.
62. Pale Blue Dot 12. This is really good. There's a lot going on in a relatively short amount of running time.
61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls got my "honourable" #100 spot. Like some of you, seeing it played live made me appreciate it a lot more. Before that it was one of the songs I wouldn't even consider to be in a Top-list. At this point I didn't expect it to show up in the list at all.
60. The Bigger Picture NR
59. Hollow Years NR
58. Outcry NR
57. Hell's Kitchen 53
56. On The Backs Of Angels 50
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Outcry - #51 - I did not re-listen to the albums when I made the list, and as a result I placed this one way too low. I've just listened to ADTOE today during my long run and this song should be at least in the top 30 for me. Absolutely amazing. I had the impression the instrumental here is too long but today I actually found it very fitting and not too long at all. Oh well.
Hell's Kitchen - not ranked - I don't care about this one at all.
On the Backs of Angels - #27 - I think I ranked it a little bit too high. I still enjoy the song a lot, but it should probably be below Top 30. Very solid song.
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Outcry - #51 - I did not re-listen to the albums when I made the list, and as a result I placed this one way too low. I've just listened to ADTOE today during my long run and this song should be at least in the top 30 for me. Absolutely amazing. I had the impression the instrumental here is too long but today I actually found it very fitting and not too long at all. Oh well.
That's one of the unique spectrums of Dream Theaters discography... you can revisit songs on any given day and find a couple of new layers in there. So much to discover that it's always an interesting vinyl spin.
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Outcry ... 71. Chorus is really nice. The instrumental breakdown is good - middle-of-the-road as far as instrumental sections go, imo. James sounds really good, and it sounds like.
Sounds like what?
That's one of the unique spectrums of Dream Theaters discography... you can revisit songs on any given day and find a couple of new layers in there. So much to discover that it's always an interesting vinyl spin.
Very well said. This thread has somewhat reignited my passion and love for the band.
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Outcry - #51 - I did not re-listen to the albums when I made the list, and as a result I placed this one way too low. I've just listened to ADTOE today during my long run and this song should be at least in the top 30 for me. Absolutely amazing. I had the impression the instrumental here is too long but today I actually found it very fitting and not too long at all. Oh well.
Hell's Kitchen - not ranked - I don't care about this one at all.
On the Backs of Angels - #27 - I think I ranked it a little bit too high. I still enjoy the song a lot, but it should probably be below Top 30. Very solid song.
So basically you're saying you should have had Outcry at 27 and Angels at 51! :lol
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Outcry - #51 - I did not re-listen to the albums when I made the list, and as a result I placed this one way too low. I've just listened to ADTOE today during my long run and this song should be at least in the top 30 for me. Absolutely amazing. I had the impression the instrumental here is too long but today I actually found it very fitting and not too long at all. Oh well.
Hell's Kitchen - not ranked - I don't care about this one at all.
On the Backs of Angels - #27 - I think I ranked it a little bit too high. I still enjoy the song a lot, but it should probably be below Top 30. Very solid song.
So basically you're saying you should have had Outcry at 27 and Angels at 51! :lol
Yeah that sounds about right. :lol
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That's one of the unique spectrums of Dream Theaters discography... you can revisit songs on any given day and find a couple of new layers in there. So much to discover that it's always an interesting vinyl spin.
Very well said. This thread has somewhat reignited my passion and love for the band.
Thanks Evermind,
yesterday my A View-limited boxset has been delivered, what a wonderful piece in my 'adoration-corner'.
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Outcry ... 71. Chorus is really nice. The instrumental breakdown is good - middle-of-the-road as far as instrumental sections go, imo. James sounds really good, and it sounds like.
Sounds like what?
:lol
I was going to say that tt sounds like he isn't over-produced or over engineered. Every album after ADTOE, it sounds to me that many/most of his vocal recordings have been tweaked (fixed?) in the studio to some degree.
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Update!
55. Panic Attack
Highest Finish: 9 (Jamesman42)
Number of Lists appeared on: 55 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I think when 8V came out this was my immediate favorite. I love the opening bass riff and the pace of the entire track.
54. These Walls
Highest Finish: 7 (porcacultor)
Number of Lists appeared on: 56 (Adami, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Along with Panic Attack this is one of my favorites from 8M. Maybe JP will bring out the baritone and the 8-string this tour.
53. The Great Debate
Highest Finish: 2 (Fonzie)
Number of Lists appeared on: 50 (Adami, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Fonzie, geeeemo, Jamesman42, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, Mladen, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, Peter Mc, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Love this song, it personally made my top 10. If I had to complain about anything it would be the "news" clips at the start and end of the song.
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I'm not crazy about Panic Attack, but it's a solid track. Finished at 73 for me, 18 positions lower.
These Walls, on the other hand, is fantastic and one of their best concise songs all around. Great chorus, simple structure, musicianship in service of emotions. Amazing track, anyway DT has so many masterpieces that These Walls finished at 30 for me, 24 positions higher.
The Great Debate failed to rank for me. It's not bad, but I never really connected to it. The "Are you justified" part is cool but all in all.... it's a pass for me.
As I previously said, I did three times the ranking - one with everything, one without "the fat" (nomacs, demos, live jams etc....) and the final one bothering only with songs I knew had somehow a chance to crack the top 100. Out of the 129 songs that I even bothered to rank for a third time, The Great Debate finished last for me at 129. So it's the "worst" of the songs I bothered to rank, not a good result, but at least it made the third attempt, stuff like The Dark Eternal Night and Costant Motion never arrived at the third ranking :D
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Three strikes. Panick Attack and The Great Debate do nothing for me, These Walls I enjoy but unfortunately it came up at 101.
The Score so far:
21 - A New Beginning
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
56 - The Bigger Picture
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
92 - The Killing Hand
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 26
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3/3 today
Panic Attack ... 39. Wasn't this the tune that made it on to one of the Rock Band releases? I played along with that a few times. Excellent track, but middle-of-the-road ranking on 8vm. Which goes to show how much I like 8vm
These Walls... 49. See above.
The Great Debate ... 35. Sure, it meanders quite a bit, but the musical bits make it a great tune for these ears. It's a great 7 minute tune packed into 14 minutes.
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Fonzie, I'm really curious to see why The Great Debate is your second best DT-song ever. Just can't imagine that...
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
092: The Great Debate 39
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
074: Sacrified Sons 9
070: These Walls 16
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
051: Panic Attack 4
050: Wither 49
048: Transcending Time 42
044: Ytse Jam 23
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
037: The Bigger Picture 23
029: Awaken the Master 52
027: Honor Thy Father 44
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
not rankend: 9 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night
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Panic Attack - It barely made my Top 100 at #95. Nothing really stands out in my memory.
These Walls - I quite like this one, it settled nicely at #68.
The Great Debate - landed on #48 and is perhaps my favourite off the first disc of 6DOIT. I like the soundscape and atmosphere of the song, and the chorus is great. "Life to save life!".
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These Walls is one of the more listenable tracks on 8V, but still not a favorite. Lyrics and vocal melody are just so blah. Musically it’s a mashup of The Police, Journey, and Linkin Park, which I guess gets some points for being outside the box.
Panic Attack is one of my least favorite DT songs hands down. Awful noise.
The Great Debate is one I liked initially, then felt like I never needed to hear it again. Last time I listened to it I remember thinking it was pretty cool instrumentally and would have been better without the vocals maybe.
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Panic Attack did not rank for me. Listening now I think that is quite fine.
These Walls snuck in at 99. Yeah, I hold thi a bit higher as I listen to it now.
The Great Debate is one I have always loved since the release. It was ranked at 44. Listening to it now I find that it's about rightly placed. Love the guitar and how the debate is held between right and left channel. Great vocal melodies as well.
My ranking so far
19 The Silent Man (66)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
37 Our New World (93)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
75 The Alien (69)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55)
Rated: 23
Not rated: 25
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These Walls is one of the more listenable tracks on 8V, but still not a favorite. Lyrics and vocal melody are just so blah. Musically it’s a mashup of The Police, Journey, and Linkin Park, which I guess gets some points for being outside the box.
Panic Attack is one of my least favorite DT songs hands down. Awful noise.
The Great Debate is one I liked initially, then felt like I never needed to hear it again. Last time I listened to it I remember thinking it was pretty cool instrumentally and would have been better without the vocals maybe.
It's been a while since I've listened to these walls but where is the police influence?
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Two good songs and the "are you justified" thing.
Panic Attack - #25 - this song is hot. One of many reasons I love 8VM.
These Walls - #24 - this song is also hot and btw all my lipsticks falling into darkness. Another reason I love 8VM.
The Great Debate - not ranked - this song is a hot mess. I even saw it live in 2012 on ADTOE or pre-ADTOE tour (I think) and I still don't think it really works.
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These Walls is one of the more listenable tracks on 8V, but still not a favorite. Lyrics and vocal melody are just so blah. Musically it’s a mashup of The Police, Journey, and Linkin Park, which I guess gets some points for being outside the box.
Panic Attack is one of my least favorite DT songs hands down. Awful noise.
The Great Debate is one I liked initially, then felt like I never needed to hear it again. Last time I listened to it I remember thinking it was pretty cool instrumentally and would have been better without the vocals maybe.
It's been a while since I've listened to these walls but where is the police influence?
The verses have sort of a similar atmosphere as songs like Walking on the Moon or Wrapped Around Your Finger. The drums in particular seem very Copeland-esque to me.
I was listening to The Police’s greatest hits album a lot around the time 8V came out, so that might be why I thought that.
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Fonzie, I'm really curious to see why The Great Debate is your second best DT-song ever. Just can't imagine that...
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
092: The Great Debate 39
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
074: Sacrified Sons 9
070: These Walls 16
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
051: Panic Attack 4
050: Wither 49
048: Transcending Time 42
044: Ytse Jam 23
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
037: The Bigger Picture 23
029: Awaken the Master 52
027: Honor Thy Father 44
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
not rankend: 9 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night
It’s epic for me. The lyric “Turn to the Sun. Don’t be frightened of the shadows it creates”) are so profound, especially when married to the notion of medical advances. There are things in my life that wouldn’t exist without the courage of the pioneers.
I’m not really a ‘lyrics guy’ and I wouldn’t have clue what most songs are about, but this one resonates with me.
Musically, there are some great parts. I really enjoy MP’s fills etc
I get why it might be ‘meh’ for some, but, I also have New Millennium at my number 6!
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Panic attack was my #16. It was only once I started putting the list together that I realized how much I love this song. It's spectacular.
These walls, on the other hand, didn't make it. I do enjoy it quite a bit, though.
And then there's The Great debate, which was my #10. What a masterpiece, not a dull moment in the entire song. It's unfortunate that it didn't crack the overall top fifty, but I do find it underrated in general.
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Thought I had a good shot at being the highest ranker for Panic Attack at #10. Did a double-take when I saw that's where it ended up after going through the ranker, but when I looked at my final spreadsheet and the songs below it, it felt like it was in the right spot. I always thought this would be a great song for a wrestler's entrance music.
It's been a while since I've listened to these walls but where is the police influence?
The suckiness? :D
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I still can’t find the list I submitted to ReaperKK but these three songs I love a lot.
Actually Octavarium is an album that has kept on growing for me. I liked it a lot when it came out but I was also disappointed that they lost that ‘edge’ Train of Thought had.
Nowadays 8VM is actually one of my most played DT albums. I feel it has a great balance of all their ingredients and of course the octave theme is very clever and brilliantly executed. I even like the ballads on there and Never Enough is pretty cool.
Panic Attack - great, love the frantic energy
These Walls - I’m sure this is somewhere in my top 20 at least. Amazing songwriting, all the melodies ooze emotion. Now that’s a GREAT chorus. Like, couldn’t be better and more memorable.
The Great Debate - a real classic, I’ve always loved this one. The mirrored drum intro and outro is one of MP’s strokes of genius. I actually really enjoy the samples and the overall mood is just so ominous, I love it.
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Panic Attack - 75
These Walls - 95
The Great Debate - 71
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I don't know really, so I will rank the albums now:
SDOIT
8VM
TOT
ADTOE
IaW
Awake
SC
BCSL
SFAM
DT12
FII
WDADU
View
(don't know TA and DoT well enough to rank)
Really can't tell if your list is bottom-up or upside down, which is your favorite, Six Degrees or A View?
(Although, since you aren't familiar with #13 & #14, I might have a clue).
Meant to number the list, whoops. SDOIT is the best them.
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100. Never Enough (17th) I don't get how this is at 100. This song has many cool parts, especially the instrumental break.
99. Wither (66th) Solid song, when it hits, it's great but it doesn't always warrant a listen.
98. The Gift Of Music (92nd) It's alright. Past entry 82 on my list is stuff that just had to be ranked.
97. Vacant (70th) This song is so awesome on its own and how it leads into SoC
96. Afterlife (98th) See: The Gift of Music
95. Forsaken (87th) It's alright, live is good.
94. S2N (NR) Honestly just not familiar enough with this song yet.
93. Our New World (NR) See: S2N
92. The Looking Glass (54th) This is one of the better tracks off of DT12. Great chorus, surprised it is this low.
91. A New Beginning (NR) Couldn't tell you what album it's from.
90. Transcending Time I really don't like DT12 View at this time, with about 5 listens since returning to the forum last year. But this song stuck out and was good enough to make the list.
89. Behind The Veil (NR) See: A New Beginning
88. This Is The Life (33rd) This song is very underrated. It has a huge atmosphere to it and a great buildup to that final chorus.
87. New Millennium (NR) Not much of a fan of FII, and this song was always skippable to me.
86. Constant Motion (35th) Sometimes you need a straightforward song, DT does it great here, and the instrumental section with the bass and piano is cool as hell.
85. Sleeping Giant (NR)
84. The Enemy Inside (36th) Great, straightforward song, and ranks right next to Constant Motion.
83. Surrender To Reason (64th) This was a mistake to place it at 64th, but by the time I was ranking stuff, I didn't care past a certain point. Relistening now and it's alright, should actually be in the 90s or off my list, so an oversight on my part.
82. Only A Matter Of Time (97th) Not bad, something had to be here.
81. Awaken The Master (NR)
80. I Walk Beside You (43rd) What a great song, when DT does more uplifting/major key stuff, it's really great, usually. Feels very underrated to me. This song has layers to it musically, stuff that feels more subtle than usual. Also fun to play on the bass.
79. The Shattered Fortress (22nd) A few clunky transitions aside, amazing song. Only TGP is the better song in the 12-step suite. And of course, that ending "I am RESPONSIBLE!"
78. A Fortune In Lies (86th) Pretty good song, chorus can stuck in your head. Charlie does a fantastic job, though the live version with JLB is stellar.
77. The Best Of Times (62nd) The intro and body of the song are a few minutes too long. The feel of the song is good, though, and that outro solo is top tier.
76. To Live Forever (NR) I do not remember this song.
75. Answering The Call (NR) Don't know it well enough.
74. Through Her Eyes (NR) It's alright, has a couple of nice moments. Maybe could have made my top 100 but not mad about it.
73. Lost Not Forgotten (75th) It's pretty okay. Some cool energy in the chorus.
72. Fall Into The Light (NR)
71. Honor Thy Father (78th) I enjoy this but is far and away the worst song on TOT as well.
70. The Dark Eternal Night (26th) WTF why is this song so low? Don't take it seriously. I did when it first came out and then realized that this is supposed to be a fun song. I love playing the intro riff on the keyboard.
69. The Alien (NR) I do know this song, and it's meh. Maybe more time would move it up.
68. The Killing Hand (96th) In my top 100 for "the killing haaaaaaaand"
67. Ytse Jam (56th) A good instrumental. A highlight of WDADU.
66. The Silent Man (38th) DT on full acoustic mode. Tasteful song.
65. Raise The Knife (57th) Great unofficial song. Chorus is nice.
64. Beneath The Surface (59th) Great song, not far off from the forum. It holds a special place in my heart for carrying me through some depressing times when it came out.
63. Sacrificed Sons (85th) I should relisten, but it is far and away the worst song on the album. It's too long and like hef said, too dated.
62. Pale Blue Dot (NR) No idea what it sounds like, I will try to listen some time this year.
61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls (NR) Not ranked because it blows, it is one if the worst DT songs, and the fact that it made it to #60 is morally depressing. Do better, DTF! FOR SHAME!
60. The Bigger Picture (NR) It's alright.
59. Hollow Years (20th) I ranked it this high based on the LaB version only. They took an okay song (where it would rank much, much lower) and made it much more listenable. And what really propels it is, of course, the guitar solo.
58. Outcry (51st) Great song. And I am glad hef said what he said about this song, he said it around when it came out (I think, or some time after), the downturn at the end is really well done. Dad, that always stuck in my mind for over a decade :lol
57. Hell's Kitchen (21st) DT's second best instrumental. In my mind, a song they HAD to make. It just makes sense and is a shining star on an okay album.
56. On The Backs Of Angels (Highest Finish: 7 (Jamesman42)) I hold this highest finish with pride. I remember when this came out (did this leak?, can't remember now). I was floored by how amazing it was. The whole album would end up being excellent, but this song feels like no other DT song to me. It has the stuff I wish was on BCSL when MP started saying "imagine having Metropolis and all these other songs". No part goes on too long, incredible atmosphere, lyrics are great, that outro is fun, imo they just knocked it out of the park with this one.
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55. Panic Attack Highest Finish: 9 (Jamesman42) This is much lower than I thought it would be. Still, I am oddly proud again to have a highest finish. This song is awesome from the time it opens and ends with the negative track. There is a great energy here, and as someone who gets anxiety attacks, very relatable song. Need more stuff like this DT!
54. These Walls (30th) Awesome, straightforward song. The prechorus is probably my favorite part, and the somewhat subdued guitar solo is a nice change of pace.
53. The Great Debate (29th) Longer song but I dig the Tool vibes. The production and feel of the album really makes this song even better than it probably should be, if that makes sense.
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55. Panic Attack
Highest Finish: 9 (Jamesman42)
Number of Lists appeared on: 55 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
54. These Walls
Highest Finish: 7 (porcacultor)
Number of Lists appeared on: 56 (Adami, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
53. The Great Debate
Highest Finish: 2 (Fonzie)
Number of Lists appeared on: 50 (Adami, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Fonzie, geeeemo, Jamesman42, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, Mladen, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, Peter Mc, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had Panic Attack at #44.
Excellent example of Metal DT. I've always loved this song.
I had These Walls at #75.
This is a really cool tune. A bit different than what usually appeals to me. The outro is fantastic.
I had The Great Debate as Not Rated.
I enjoy parts of this song, but it just feels so long and kind of a chore to get through.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 Transcending Time
95 Behind The Veil
94 New Milenium
93 Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot
84
83
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78
77
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72
71
70
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58
57
56
55
54
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46
45
44 Panic Attack
43
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39
38
37 Fall Into The Light
36
35 The Gift Of Music
34
33
32
31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15
14 The Best Of Times
13
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10
9
8
7
6
5
4 The Killing Hand
3
2
1
33 -15
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My streak of sixteen in a row ends at the end
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61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls (#64) good ending for my SC version, enjoyable as the concert closer in '08 in spite of the drawn out ending
60. The Bigger Picture (#37) one of my three DT12 favorites
59. Hollow Years (#7) I didn’t own FII, ToT or Budokan until after SC was released, so this nice mellow track was a much needed change of pace from ToT and SC. Drastic changes from studio to live versions often suffer, the Budokan version didn’t for me. The 'LiveTime' version is FAB, but pales in comparison (to me). DT's favorite song of a decades long time fellow Queen and DT fan, who sadly passed last year. Glad they played it in ’09 in Philly at the one show we attended together, with the added verses from the demo included. My eyes got quite watery when I listened to the demo version the other day. :heart
58. Outcry (#71) call me weird (if you haven’t already), I don’t include it on my ADToE disc (it has plenty of 10+ minute songs) but on my TA Disc 2. Would have fit in with the uprising theme on that LP.
57. Hell's Kitchen (#29) enjoy the added bells on in ‘Instrumedley’. A company in NYC by this name makes some stellar BBQ sauces😉. So very trivial....I met the owner in Bryant Park in Dec '22. We chatted, told him I was a DT fan, bought a tee shirt, and he told me he is a friend of Portnoy. I visited the stand last month, saw him, told him to tell MP 'welcome back', and he told me he was going to see Mike in a few weeks. For what it's worth.......
56. On The Backs Of Angels (#33) so nice to have a little piano break in the middle for a change. Everything else is aces plus.
55. Panic Attack (#38) I feel panic when I listen to this. And it is all good :tup
54. These Walls (#23) 'The Answer Lies Within' I have ranked at #22. 'I Walk Beside You' at #24. 'nuff said
53. The Great Debate (NR) The samples are horrible, and I feel like DT makes a stand to not make a stand. The filtered instrumental is quite good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs1wKc2An1Q
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Am I misremembering but weren't the samples in TGD fake? I swear I read that somewhere years and years ago.
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Panic Attack #24
Loved Panic Attack on first spin and weirdly always thought it and Porcupine Tree's Shallow came out at similar times and kinda work together somehow but expect is just me :lol
These Walls #28
I do rank Octavarium quite high definitely in the top half of the DT discography, these two and Walk Beside You at #31 and another to come in the same ballpark...
The Great Debate #87
Aside from a few exceptions I've never necessarily been drawn to the longer tunes but yeah there's a few and a couple well up in my rankings. This one I enjoy but is obviously well down my list had to actually check if it made my 100 and glad it did.
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Haven't commented in a few days and so I'll try to play catch up.
The Dark Eternal Night- 48
It's always a jump-for-joy moment when this appears in the set. It's so much fun and probably my favorite SC track.
The Alien- NR
There are parts I really like but the chorus really drags it down
Silent Man- 67
Having a simple acoustic song like this on the previous album would have gone a long way.
Beneath the Surface- 27
I'm glad there are others that appreciate this as much as I do. Contains some of their most relatable and tragic lyrics ever.
Pale Blue Dot- 73
Very cool song, and there's a part that reminds me of the Creepshow 2 soundtrack, so that's another plus.
The Ministry of Lost Souls- 49
Very powerful but probably didn't need to be 15 minutes
The Bigger Picture- 64
I originally had it in the '80s but once I was reminded of just how perfect that last minute is (where James sings "I've listened to the stories of resentment and disdain..."), I had to bump it up.
Hollow Years- 36
I've always been impressed by how the melancholy verses and uplifting chorus ("sing along!") fit so well together.
Hell's Kitchen- 91
Outcry-56
Dammit. I thought I did a good job on my list but these 2 should have been swapped. Hell's Kitchen is much better than Outcry.
On the Backs of Angels- 66
While I practically have every other song on ADTOE memorized, for some odd reason I always struggle to remember how this one goes despite it being the single.
Panic Attack- 55
It was perplexing to learn that this was the song chosen to represent DT on Rock Band but now I think it was an excellent choice. It's an absolute beast that adds so much diversity and edginess to Octavarium.
The Great Debate- 58
James sounds so good on this one. Plus, the instrumental section from 9:28-11:25 is awesome to the max!
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So far, no mentions of the 'Cosmic Duck'. ;) What gives? :D
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Panic Attack - a really great metal DT track. The opening bass line is awesome and I've always loved when the band kicks in. My rank 54 (missed consensus by 1..)
These Walls - another good Octavarium song but not at the same level as Panic Attack. I ranked this at 70.
The Great Debate - well I actually had this flagged as one of my own ranked songs that wouldn't make the top 100 but happy to see it make it. I ranked this at 72 but it could have been higher. I am not sure it has aged that well for me but I did love it when the album came out. The Tool influence is strong but there is enough variation to turn it into its own thing.
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Catching up.
DTF Me
70. The Dark Eternal Night 68
69. The Alien 59
68. The Killing Hand NR
67. Ytse Jam 61
66. The Silent Man 49
65. Raise The Knife NR
64. Beneath The Surface 96
63. Sacrificed Sons 85
62. Pale Blue Dot 60
61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls 30
60. The Bigger Picture 97
59. Hollow Years 42
58. Outcry 45
57. Hell's Kitchen NR
56. On The Backs Of Angels 56 Right on the money.
55. Panic Attack NR
54. These Walls 89
53. The Great Debate 34
No real hot takes in any of these picks, I guess. Maybe, I like Ministry and Debate significantly more that the consensus.
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Well dang I thought I might be the highest ranker of TGD at #7 but The Fonz prevailed.
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Only two songs today! We have to ties so tomorrow's update will be a 4 song update.
52.Barstool Warrior
Highest Finish: 5 (Toro)
Number of Lists appeared on: 55 (Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, jammindude, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I was really curious about this track when the track list for DoT was released. When I finally did hear the track I was surprised at how much I enjoyed. I still go back to this song a lot and still think it's a great tune.
51. Caught In A Web
Highest Finish: 1 (porcacultor)
Number of Lists appeared on: 57 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, MustActFastToCoverUp, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Caught in a web never did much for me. It's a great song live but I'll typically pass the studio version.
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Caught In a Web as the best DT-song ever... to each their own, porcacultor, but here I am, curious to the 'how on earth'...
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
091: Caught In a Web 40
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
074: Sacrified Sons 9
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
050: Wither 49
048: Transcending Time 42
046: Barstool Warrior 6
044: Ytse Jam 23
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
037: The Bigger Picture 23
029: Awaken the Master 52
027: Honor Thy Father 44
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
not rankend: 9 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night
Almost 50 songs in already and only 9 didn't make my list. So it seems I am pretty avarage...
ReaperKK, thanks for all your work... really love this thread.
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Caught in a Web - #91 - I only ranked this one because I needed 100 songs. I don't really enjoy this one too much to be honest. For me, Awake would've been a better album if the first three songs didn't exist.
Barstool Warrior - #41 - one of the best songs from DoT. Good stuff.
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I like Barstool warrior, but I didn't rank it.
Caught in a web, on the other hand, was my #14. Of all of their songs that are shorter than six minutes, this is the best one. It ended up waaaaaay too low overall.
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Barstool Warrior - I think I ranked this too low, it ended up at #90 but after listening a few times more it could have been a bit higher. That main guitar melody is very nice, and a fine chorus.
Caught In A Web - Possibly the first DT song I ever heard, back in late 2000. It prompted me to buy Awake and Images & Words. It's still a great song, it landed at #32 for me.
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I like Barstool warrior, but I didn't rank it.
Caught in a web, on the other hand, was my #14. Of all of their songs that are shorter than six minutes, this is the best one. It ended up waaaaaay too low overall.
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Catching up...
58. Outcry - an alright song but, it didn't make my list. It's just nothing special...
57. Hell's Kitchen ...unlike this one. This made it all the way to 15 for me. It's simply gorgeous and never fails to improve my mood whenever I listen to it. Perhaps the one creative decision Kevin Shirley made (I think it was) during the making of this album that I actually agree with, separating this from Burning My Soul and letting it stand on it's own - thank God.
This piece has brought me back up when I've been feeling down on many an occasion over the years and is certainly one of the standout tracks from Falling Into Infinity. Whilst the album as a whole is lacklustre, it does have its special moments and this is one.
56. On The Backs Of Angels - again, just ok. Not in my top 100.
55. Panic Attack - surprised this one ended as low as this, I felt it was considered a classic. Then again... for me, it ended up much lower at 97. But still, the fact that it's in my top 100 at all is a compliment - I do really enjoy this one and it's fun to play along to.
54. These Walls - not in my top 100. I don't dislike it, it has a nice vibe but it never particularly stood out to me.
53. The Great Debate - surprised at how high this one finished. For me it got to 96. I enjoy it.
52. Barstool Warrior - this one finished a bit higher for me at 39. It's just an all-round really strong track with nice melodies, lyrics and riffs. The final modulated chorus is fantastic. Whilst it's relatively fresh, this one feels like it has the potential to be considered a DT classic when all's said and done.
51. Caught in a Web - my 49. Definitely a classic!
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Three days of updates (#s 58-51):
Outcry- Pretty close to the consensus, I had this at #53. It gets overshadowed by Breaking all Illusions and Bridges in the Sky, but this is another highlight from the first Mangini album.
Hell's Kitchen- I put this just a touch higher, #43. A really nice short little instrumental, it has a different sound and feel to just about every other DT album track.
On the Backs of Angels- I had this further down my list at #81. Like most lead singles from modern DT, it's decent but not an album standout. A solid introduction to MM.
Panic Attack- Nearly nailed it, #59 on my list. A solid heavy song, one of my favorites from 8VM.
These Walls- Another close one, #61 for me. The baritone gives this song a slightly different feel, and I dig the chorus.
The Great Debate- Well, I had one digit right, my #63. Crazy cool riffs and drum parts all over this song along with a good showing by JLB, somewhat offset by the cheesy sound clips and weirdly noncommittal lyrics.
Barstool Warrior- I knew I would be a bit higher than the consensus on this song, I had it up at #14. Beautiful playing on the whole thing from JP over a tasty JR chord progression. DT doing full on prog with no hint of metal and they crushed it on this one. My second favorite song from the whole Mangini era.
Caught in a Web- Back at #83 on my list. It's a decent enough song, but my least favorite on Awake.
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One out, one in....
Barstool Warrior did not rank.... not connected with this
Caught In a Web is my next highest ranked song so far at 21. Awesome song.... loved it since release
My ranking so far
19 The Silent Man (66)
21 Caught In a Web (51)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
37 Our New World (93)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
75 The Alien (69)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52)
Rated: 24
Not rated: 26
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Barstool Warrior: 95. Melody DT, good DT.
Caught in a Web: didn't make the cut. Too heavy, too dark, too screamed.
The Score so far:
21 - A New Beginning
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
56 - The Bigger Picture
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
92 - The Killing Hand
95 - Barstool Warrior
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 27
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58. Outcry #24
57. Hell's Kitchen #83 When they got to this song on the Budokan Instrumedley, I had no idea what it was, I had not listened to FII in years prior to that. I thought it was great and had to go back and give it a listen. I didn't remember enjoying it, because FII was such a dud I let it collect dust on the shelf.
56. On The Backs Of Angels #58
55. Panic Attack #9
54. These Walls NR
53. The Great Debate NR The intro is too long, the verses are dull, and the choruses don't bring it together. Nothing of value here.
52. Barstool Warrior #65
51. Caught In A Web #11
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Barstool Warrior -.none
Caught In A Web - 37
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100. Never Enough (17th) I don't get how this is at 100. This song has many cool parts, especially the instrumental break.
99. Wither (66th) Solid song, when it hits, it's great but it doesn't always warrant a listen.
98. The Gift Of Music (92nd) It's alright. Past entry 82 on my list is stuff that just had to be ranked.
97. Vacant (70th) This song is so awesome on its own and how it leads into SoC
96. Afterlife (98th) See: The Gift of Music
95. Forsaken (87th) It's alright, live is good.
94. S2N (NR) Honestly just not familiar enough with this song yet.
93. Our New World (NR) See: S2N
92. The Looking Glass (54th) This is one of the better tracks off of DT12. Great chorus, surprised it is this low.
91. A New Beginning (NR) Couldn't tell you what album it's from.
90. Transcending Time I really don't like DT12 View at this time, with about 5 listens since returning to the forum last year. But this song stuck out and was good enough to make the list.
89. Behind The Veil (NR) See: A New Beginning
88. This Is The Life (33rd) This song is very underrated. It has a huge atmosphere to it and a great buildup to that final chorus.
87. New Millennium (NR) Not much of a fan of FII, and this song was always skippable to me.
86. Constant Motion (35th) Sometimes you need a straightforward song, DT does it great here, and the instrumental section with the bass and piano is cool as hell.
85. Sleeping Giant (NR)
84. The Enemy Inside (36th) Great, straightforward song, and ranks right next to Constant Motion.
83. Surrender To Reason (64th) This was a mistake to place it at 64th, but by the time I was ranking stuff, I didn't care past a certain point. Relistening now and it's alright, should actually be in the 90s or off my list, so an oversight on my part.
82. Only A Matter Of Time (97th) Not bad, something had to be here.
81. Awaken The Master (NR)
80. I Walk Beside You (43rd) What a great song, when DT does more uplifting/major key stuff, it's really great, usually. Feels very underrated to me. This song has layers to it musically, stuff that feels more subtle than usual. Also fun to play on the bass.
79. The Shattered Fortress (22nd) A few clunky transitions aside, amazing song. Only TGP is the better song in the 12-step suite. And of course, that ending "I am RESPONSIBLE!"
78. A Fortune In Lies (86th) Pretty good song, chorus can stuck in your head. Charlie does a fantastic job, though the live version with JLB is stellar.
77. The Best Of Times (62nd) The intro and body of the song are a few minutes too long. The feel of the song is good, though, and that outro solo is top tier.
76. To Live Forever (NR) I do not remember this song.
75. Answering The Call (NR) Don't know it well enough.
74. Through Her Eyes (NR) It's alright, has a couple of nice moments. Maybe could have made my top 100 but not mad about it.
73. Lost Not Forgotten (75th) It's pretty okay. Some cool energy in the chorus.
72. Fall Into The Light (NR)
71. Honor Thy Father (78th) I enjoy this but is far and away the worst song on TOT as well.
70. The Dark Eternal Night (26th) WTF why is this song so low? Don't take it seriously. I did when it first came out and then realized that this is supposed to be a fun song. I love playing the intro riff on the keyboard.
69. The Alien (NR) I do know this song, and it's meh. Maybe more time would move it up.
68. The Killing Hand (96th) In my top 100 for "the killing haaaaaaaand"
67. Ytse Jam (56th) A good instrumental. A highlight of WDADU.
66. The Silent Man (38th) DT on full acoustic mode. Tasteful song.
65. Raise The Knife (57th) Great unofficial song. Chorus is nice.
64. Beneath The Surface (59th) Great song, not far off from the forum. It holds a special place in my heart for carrying me through some depressing times when it came out.
63. Sacrificed Sons (85th) I should relisten, but it is far and away the worst song on the album. It's too long and like hef said, too dated.
62. Pale Blue Dot (NR) No idea what it sounds like, I will try to listen some time this year.
61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls (NR) Not ranked because it blows, it is one if the worst DT songs, and the fact that it made it to #60 is morally depressing. Do better, DTF! FOR SHAME!
60. The Bigger Picture (NR) It's alright.
59. Hollow Years (20th) I ranked it this high based on the LaB version only. They took an okay song (where it would rank much, much lower) and made it much more listenable. And what really propels it is, of course, the guitar solo.
58. Outcry (51st) Great song. And I am glad hef said what he said about this song, he said it around when it came out (I think, or some time after), the downturn at the end is really well done. Dad, that always stuck in my mind for over a decade :lol
57. Hell's Kitchen (21st) DT's second best instrumental. In my mind, a song they HAD to make. It just makes sense and is a shining star on an okay album.
56. On The Backs Of Angels (Highest Finish: 7 (Jamesman42)) I hold this highest finish with pride. I remember when this came out (did this leak?, can't remember now). I was floored by how amazing it was. The whole album would end up being excellent, but this song feels like no other DT song to me. It has the stuff I wish was on BCSL when MP started saying "imagine having Metropolis and all these other songs". No part goes on too long, incredible atmosphere, lyrics are great, that outro is fun, imo they just knocked it out of the park with this one.
55. Panic Attack Highest Finish: 9 (Jamesman42) This is much lower than I thought it would be. Still, I am oddly proud again to have a highest finish. This song is awesome from the time it opens and ends with the negative track. There is a great energy here, and as someone who gets anxiety attacks, very relatable song. Need more stuff like this DT!
54. These Walls (30th) Awesome, straightforward song. The prechorus is probably my favorite part, and the somewhat subdued guitar solo is a nice change of pace.
53. The Great Debate (29th) Longer song but I dig the Tool vibes. The production and feel of the album really makes this song even better than it probably should be, if that makes sense.
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52.Barstool Warrior (NR) I don't know this song. I'll check it out when I have more listening time soon. (True for any other songs like that from this top 100)
51. Caught In A Web (52nd) Almost right on the consensus. I love how dated it sounds, adds much to the charm. Not a fan of the actual chorus. The instrumental in the middle is cool. I get some ACOS vibes there.
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55. Panic Attack
54. These Walls
53. The Great Debate
52.Barstool Warrior
51. Caught In A Web
Ok...Panic Attack is awesome. It was my early favorite on Octavarium (the title track took a while to digest). I had it at #14.
These Walls has grown on me a bit over the years. A solid song at #71.
The Great Debate is a bottom 3 DT song. Absolutely nothing redeeming about it. Hard to believe it almost made the top 50. When I'm listening to SDOIT (the album), I skip straight to disc 2 once the bulk of Misunderstood is done.
Barstool Warrior was my second ranked song on DOT at #35. Really fun listen.
Caught in a Web was, I think, the first song from Awake that I heard. I absolutely love it and had it at #36 (even though it's my #4 song on Awake).
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I haven’t been keeping up very well, but I can just pick up from the last five
Panic Attack - 63
Great song! One of the things I absolutely love about Octavarium and the reason it’s my favorite album is because of its ability to go from things like TALW to something like this. It is the most perfect album for summarizing everything that Dream Theater does in a single, artistic vision.
These Walls - 46
Same idea. Just a fantastic and relatable straight forward rocker. Octavarium is just a perfect album.
The Great Debate - DNR
I have to echo pg’s thoughts on this one. Total skip track. I fact I have a single disc version of SDOIT which has the single version of Misunderstood and eliminates TGD completely and the album is massively improved because of it.
Barstool Warrior - 52
Hey! Nailed the aggregate!! One of my highest rated songs from D/T. In fact of all the songs on that album, this was the first one that really grabbed me. Beautiful chorus and really touching lyrics.
Caught in a Web - 39
Top notch Awake track. As time goes on I am really starting to appreciate that album more and more. If it weren’t for Lie (which is a huge dud for me) it might’ve been their best album.
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Caught in a Web was the first DT song I ever heard (on the radio even). I thought it sounded amazing and then I don't think I ever heard it on the radio again, but it wasn't too long after that that my brother got into the band and then I did as well. I think the only other DT song I've ever heard on the radio was Pull Me Under once several years after that.
I still think it's a pretty good representation of DT in a fairly concise package and it sort of surprises me it didn't do more following the success of Pull Me Under.
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Barstool Warrior is great, even though the chorus felt like a bridge. If there had been an even more bombastic chorus, it could have been even greater. One of the best songs off d/t but with so much competition it ended up at 66 for me, 14 positions lower.
Caught in a Web is great, kickass track from one of their masterpieces. Finished at 46 for me, 5 positions higher.
So far it's all going with my predictions, I think I've already calculated how many songs of mine didn't / won't rank (definitively my 36 and 40 won't), now I just have to guess which ones that didn't make my cut will rank in the bottom half of this......
EDIT: I have 20 songs that didn't rank, final count should be 21. 22 if you're heartless monsters who didn't care for a touching Mangini era song.
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Barstool Warrior - before hearing this song, the title always conjured up an image in my mind that the song was going to be one of those crazy silly type instrumentals like Enigma Machine. The actual song of course is nothing like that and was a really pleasant surprise on the album. My rank 57.
Caught in a Web - my rank 46, so fairly in line with consensus. A really good song on a great album.
I currently have 10 songs I didn't rank. I am not sure there will be any others, I think the rest of my list makes it. I'm a little surprised that only one of my top 40 has so far been revealed so is going to be interesting to see how it plays out from here.
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52.Barstool Warrior
Highest Finish: 5 (Toro)
Number of Lists appeared on: 55 (Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, jammindude, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I was really curious about this track when the track list for DoT was released. When I finally did hear the track I was surprised at how much I enjoyed. I still go back to this song a lot and still think it's a great tune.
51. Caught In A Web
Highest Finish: 1 (porcacultor)
Number of Lists appeared on: 57 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, MustActFastToCoverUp, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had Barstool Warrior at #54.
I think this is an amazing song. I ranked it at 54, and maybe that's a tad low. Great melodic solo by JP.
I had Caught In A Web at #93.
I don't think I've ever really cared for this, but seeing it live a few times has given it a little bump. Still, it barely made my list.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 Transcending Time
95 Behind The Veil
94 New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot
84
83
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78
77
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72
71
70
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58
57
56
55
54 Barstool Warrior
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46
45
44 Panic Attack
43
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39
38
37 Fall Into The Light
36
35 The Gift Of Music
34
33
32
31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15
14 The Best Of Times
13
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10
9
8
7
6
5
4 The Killing Hand
3
2
1
35 -15
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PA came in at 63. Killer tune.
TW came in for me at number 13. I've always been in love with this song. It has a special atmosphere that no other DT song has IMO. Just a beautiful, well written song.
TGD was at 54 for me. Probably should have been a bit lower. Hasn't aged as well for me but it's still a really enjoyable song. Can't be upset with some Tool influence also.
BW ranked at number 28. For a good while when DOT was released, this was actually one of my least favs. Over time though I realised how fucking amazing it is and almost now the best song on the album. Easy top 30 song for me.
CIAW was 57 for me. Cool, heavy tune, love it.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77
76
75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
73
72
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63 Panic Attack
62
61 On the Backs of Angels
60
59
58 Afterlife
57 Caught In A Web
56
55
54 The Great Debate
53
52
51 Answering the Call
50
49
48 The Shattered Fortress
47
46
45
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43
42 Never Enough
41
40
39
38
37 The Bigger Picture
36 Outcry
35
34
33
32 I Walk Beside You
31
30
29 Surrender to Reason
28 Bartsool Warrior
27
26
25
24
23
22
21
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18
17
16
15
14
13 These Walls
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
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10. The Best of Times (-7)
18. The Shattered Fortress (+6)
21. The Ministry of Lost Souls (-4) - Beautiful song, with a great instrumental section that ups the intensity without feeling out of place. I enjoy all 14 minutes and 57 seconds of this and I wouldn't have it any other way.
23. The Silent Man (+0) - A calm, hopeful ending to the A Mind Beside Itself suite. It does rank this high partially because of its association with the other two songs in this suite, but even on its own I think #23 is a fair placement for it.
24. The Dark Eternal Night (+9)
30. Hell's Kitchen (-8) - This song has lost a bit of its luster for me over the years, but it's still one of DT's best instrumentals. One of their most unique tracks in general, it may be called Hell's Kitchen but it's a heavenly soundscape that is great not just on its own, but as a transition from Burning My Soul and into Lines in the Sand.
34. Outcry (+36) - I forgot just how awesome that instrumental section is. If it was just the other parts of the song (which are still good), then somewhere in the 70s would've been appropriate, but that one section elevates it a lot.
35. Constant Motion (+29)
37. A New Beginning (-7)
38. The Great Debate (+0) - The Great Debate is my least favorite song from Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, which means it's not far off from being one of Dream Theater's best songs. So many cool ideas are packed into this song, with special mention to the chorus which is one of the best Dream Theater's ever made. I really like the lyrics; aside from being well-written in general, I feel like the point of the song isn't necessarily about the stem cell research itself and what should or shouldn't be done about it. Rather, I believe it's meant to be taken in context of the whole album, it's more about the inner turbulence that arises from the conflict of being presented with a difficult and uncertain choice like that, where there are significant consequences both good and bad, no matter what you decide. It's not something that only applies to utilizing stem cells, it applies to a lot of things in life, that all revolves around the question, "Are you justified?"
39. Pale Blue Dot (-8) - Not much to say about this one, Pale Blue Dot is just Dream Theater doing what they do best. As usual, my favorite part is the whole instrumental section.
40. Sleeping Giant
46. Fall Into The Light (-10)
47. Barstool Warrior (-13) - This whole song is great, but what elevates it is the last couple minutes, where everything culminates into this uplifting, awe-inspiring ending.
48. The Bigger Picture (+0) - My thoughts on The Bigger Picture are pretty much my thoughts on Barstool Warrior.
51. Ytse Jam (+4) - Every Dream Theater instrumental track is really good, and Ytse Jam is one of the better ones. It meanders a little bit near the end, but it's all a lot of fun to listen to. 2:18-4:03 is the stuff I absolutely adore about this kind of music. Dream Theater does have a lot of technical-focused sections, but about 99% of them are exciting and memorable. Ever since the beginning and up to today, Dream Theater have been pretty much the masters of making instrumental music, whether they're self-contained sections of a song or a whole instrumental track. This stuff is delicious.
52. These Walls (+31) - I feel like I can relate to a lot of Dream Theater's lyrics, but this is one of those songs that speaks to me on a deeper level. I feel like I can write about things and interact with people here on DTF fine enough, but with many others and many places, it's difficult for me to communicate properly, whether that's because of anxiety or I just can't figure out how to put my thoughts and feelings into words. And then half the time I finally figure it out, I start second-guessing myself and I end up throwing away whatever it was I could have said. Or I just give up quickly because I struggle to put things into words and it all feels pointless. It's very frustrating, because openly talking about my thoughts and feelings is something I enjoy a lot when I can actually pull it off. I'm trying to improve on this, and I think I've slowly gotten better about it in recent years. Oh, and the music and vocals are pretty cool, too! Even on one of Dream Theater's more unique and diverse albums, These Walls feels very unique in both the album and their whole catalogue.
58. S2N (+1)
59. The Enemy Inside (-10)
61. Awaken the Master
63. The Gift of Music
67. Panic Attack (-15) - I feel like this should've ranked higher, but it is what it is, I guess. Panic Attack holds up just as well as I remembered it. I thought I would've been burnt out on it by now, as I listened to it a lot when I first got into Dream Theater, but that's not the case. This song musically reflects the intensity of dealing with so much anxiety, it just keeps going and going. Even when it feels like it's getting a little better it can just flare right back up. 5:42 feels like mental exhaustion, there's a sense of weakness and despair, and you're ready to let it go already, but it just keeps going on and on.
68. On the Backs of Angels (+20) - One of my first Dream Theater songs, and while I have slightly burned out on this song it's still a great one. Pull Me Under is a pretty cool song, but what it was missing was an elegant piano solo before the guitar solo, so naturally On the Backs of Angels gets the higher ranking for me.
71. Transcending Time
77. Hollow Years (-2) - If there were three or four less repeats of "once the stone you're crawling under..." at the end, this would easily make my Top 50. Still an excellent song, though.
78. The Killing Hand (-37)
84. This is the Life (-12)
87. A Fortune in Lies (+18)
88. I Walk Beside You (+31)
89. Never Enough (-18)
90. Wither (-4)
93. Vacant (+4)
94. Through Her Eyes (-13)
100. Our New World (+3)
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105. Answering the Call
109. The Alien
112. Beneath the Surface (-2) - In a weirdly fitting way, this is a song that I always enjoy when I listen to it, but as it's not a song I listen to often, I gradually start to consider it just an okay song and wonder what I really enjoy about it.
116. Caught in a Web (+14) - This song ranked higher than my last list, and I feel like it could potentially crack my Top 100 the next time we do this. There's a lot of Dream Theater songs I enjoy way more than this, but they nail the atmosphere with Caught in a Web, and James gives a very good performance.
122. Lost Not Forgotten (-9)
123. Behind the Veil (-2)
130. The Looking Glass (+1)
131. Forsaken (-4)
137. Sacrificed Sons (-15) - I feel like I should enjoy this song a lot more, but it's... just alright. I don't mind having an intense instrumental section in the middle of an otherwise somber and down-to-earth song, but compared to TMOLS, it's just not all that interesting.
139. Only a Matter of Time (-10)
142. Afterlife (-7)
147. Surrender to Reason (-10)
148. New Millennium (-8)
149. Honor Thy Father (-7)
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Unranked: To Live Forever, Raise the Knife
I will make an edit to my previous post detailing my thoughts on the songs I skipped writeups for whenever I feel like getting around to it.
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I remember listening to Caught in a Web (my #97) when listening to Awake for the first time and being really surprised how heavy the album were, specially after the impactful 6:00. The studio recording with that great sound and production, really elevates it!
The Great Debate (my #62) is really cool, very cinematic and it has some of the most amazing drum parts MP has ever created. A perfect mix between Rush and Tool!
Barstool Warrior (my #34), Panick Attack (my #32) and These Walls (my #31) are really all amazing and inspired, representing how great the less complex DT songs also can be. I totally love that Maiden type unison keyboard/guitar solo on PA (it sounds specially good on studio with the rhythm guitar beneath it).
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EDIT: I have 20 songs that didn't rank, final count should be 21. 22 if you're heartless monsters who didn't care for a touching Mangini era song.
Blame both the ranking machine and Dream Theater for me being a heartless monster, but Out of Reach didn't make my list. Although it really moved me when I listened to the vinyl the first time. Dream Theater has so many great songs, that some of them drown in the lake of forgotten pieces...
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Even I ranked Out of Reach.
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Even I ranked Out of Reach.
Out Of Reach is easily the worst song in the MM Era.
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I would argue with you but I don't know enough of his era to disprove you.
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Caught In a Web as the best DT-song ever... to each their own, porcacultor, but here I am, curious to the 'how on earth'...
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:lol What can I say? I had a feeling it would be my top track before I started going through the ranker, and then came out at the end and was like "yup, there it is". I don't know if it makes sense, but I can somewhat easily dissociate between it being the objective best DT track and being my favorite -- I'm only ever interested in the latter type of assessment. But I'll digress further below, if you're interested.
58. Outcry NR
Did not rank for me. It's a fine track, but I somehow don't enjoy the feel of it. Almost as if it were "too slow"? I dunno. Not even close to a favorite.
57. Hell's Kitchen #12
Such a jammy jam. Beautiful instrumental, it was a really smart move to separate it from Burning my Soul (which I do enjoy a bunch, though!).
56. On The Backs Of Angels #80
The first track to come out of the MM era, and one that made me sigh with relief thinking "we're going to be alright". Very good.
55. Panic Attack #79
I think it's my least favorite from 8vm, and it still ranked for me. Might've been one of my favorites from around the time the album came out given the heaviness (it was what I wanted from them as a 14-year-old). Still dig it a lot, particularly with the sound of the baritone guitar.
54. These Walls #7
Some of my favorite vibes. Favorite 8vm track. Again, JP got a fantastic sound out of the baritone guitar on this one, but everyone is firing on all cylinders. A little masterpiece in my book.
53. The Great Debate #18
Glad to see this one so high up in the ranking -- I figured it'd be left out given how many people seem to despise it. One of the least derivative "tribute" tracks in a way -- I get that it's Tool worship, but that idea got so heavily filtered into the DT engine, it sounds very much like DT being DT.
52. Barstool Warrior NR
Something about this track doesn't do it for me at all. I do like MM's ideas at the start, though.
51. Caught In A Web #1
The ideas of DT's longer songs condensed into solid five-and-a-half minutes. Studio album tracklisting-wise, it's the first track where JP whips out the 7-string guitar (I know they probably wrote Puppies on Acid/The Mirror first, but that comes later in the album proper), and he instantly shows he can do damage with it. JLB's performance on this gives me CHILLS. KM has so many great ideas on keys, I have a hard time picturing him being aloof in the studio. Also, it's a fun one to refer back to the demo version and compare the arrangements and part sequencing.
To sum it all up... "so energy, powah!". My favorite!
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Even I ranked Out of Reach.
Out Of Reach is easily the worst song in the MM Era.
*Insert Astonishing joke here*
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Even I ranked Out of Reach.
Out Of Reach is easily the worst song in the MM Era.
*Insert Astonishing joke here*
With the exception of the Nomac tracks, I’m with Tim on this one. OOR is terrible.
EDIT - I just checked and I had another song from D/T even lower.
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Interesting. I loved it from the get go. That JP solo does elevate it though.
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In a couple more years when we do this again, it might be a fun idea to have everybody submit their full list and then give negative points for everything that people ranked below 100. :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I guess that’s a benefit of never having heard a Tool song, I can enjoy TGD on its own merits.
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I had Out of Reach at #42, but at this point I don't think it'll make the list.
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I guess that’s a benefit of never having heard a Tool song
I am only aware of ever hearing one Tool song. Which is plenty.
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porcacultor interesting take. I'll think Caught In a Web is one of the weaker tracks of what might be my favorite studioalbum ever build... but it only shows the beauty of Awake.
Even I ranked Out of Reach.
Out Of Reach is easily the worst song in the MM Era.
Room 137 beats Out of Reach by a mile...
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Even I ranked Out of Reach.
Out Of Reach is easily the worst song in the MM Era.
Clearly you've never heard Room 137 (or half of the songs from The Astonishing).
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I guess that’s a benefit of never having heard a Tool song, I can enjoy TGD on its own merits.
The talk of Tool influnce in TGD led me to investigate Tool.
Now I'm a big fan of both.
Not really seeing the huge Tool influence in it. A bit maybe but to me it's a great Dream Theater track.
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Damn such hate for Out Of Reach? Doesn't come close to Along For The Ride, but still a cool ballad on a great album figure it won't show now then so FWIW had Out Of Reach at #66. Anyway...
Barstool Warrior I had at #27 and think it's my highest DOT selection. I completely love that album and probably rate it the best of the MM era there's essential later-day DT all throughout that album and Barstool is brilliant.
Congrats to porcacultor for having CIAW at #1, and I get it!
Back when the album first dropped and the expectations were for another long-ass opener in the vein of Pull Me Under (granted only couple minutes shorter but it felt way shorter), but 6:00 was a welcome shock. But those keys then rolling out and into those subtle opening Caught In A Web riffs were a step up again. All the fiddly and the crazy, the beautiful chorus, the 2:45 and key accompanied riffing at 3:40... Then Innocence Faded! I mean, c'mon right?
Had Caught In A Web at #6 :metal
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55. Panic Attack (32). A very nice high-intensity track. I like the string sounds, also the choir before the chorus.
54. These Walls (27). Great synth sounds here, with good lyrics as well. More laid-back verses with a powerful chorus.
53. The Great Debate (56) The intro is a bit too long, but once this gets going it's solid. I like the second chorus - "Turn to the light".
52. Barstool Warrior (48). They go through several different sounds throughout the song, which all sound great. Excellent JP guitar solo.
51. Caught in a Web (50). James sounds great on this one. The instrumental section with the cowbell is also nice.
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EDIT: I have 20 songs that didn't rank, final count should be 21. 22 if you're heartless monsters who didn't care for a touching Mangini era song.
Blame both the ranking machine and Dream Theater for me being a heartless monster, but Out of Reach didn't make my list. Although it really moved me when I listened to the vinyl the first time. Dream Theater has so many great songs, that some of them drown in the lake of forgotten pieces...
Even I ranked Out of Reach.
Out Of Reach is easily the worst song in the MM Era.
I'm not talking about Out of Reach. I didn't rank it either ;D
Also I checked and it's 22 songs of mine that won't probably rank. I went backward from the bottom of my list and took for granted that some controversial songs (a couple of leftovers, Astonishing tracks, FII least favorite stuff) won't surely make it, and I skipped songs I ranked lower but I'll be damned if nobody ranked them (a couple of epics, a couple of instrumentals....).
So by taking the most realistic guess about which songs surely won't be there, and which songs just have to be there, I realized that only 2 songs are left in my "not ranked" lists, pending some major surprises.
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I guess that’s a benefit of never having heard a Tool song, I can enjoy TGD on its own merits.
The talk of Tool influnce in TGD led me to investigate Tool.
Now I'm a big fan of both.
Not really seeing the huge Tool influence in it. A bit maybe but to me it's a great Dream Theater track.
I mean, it kinda blatantly rips 46&2. It much more of a Tool homage than Home ever was IMO.
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My whole list is filled with songs that made it to an official albumrelease. Mostly studioalbums, but a couple of songs came from live-releases... where Raise the Knife made it already. As did To Live Forever, although that was a best off release and I didn't rank it...
but being in the uptier 50's, I start to worry some of my others eventually didn't make the list. Which would be close to a disaster... since they're so beautiful.
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BW for me is the spiritual successor of The Bigger Picture, great tune! Ranked at 60.
CiaW - Banger, banger banger. The unison, chorus, references to other themes as in Erotomania, James at the top of his game. Ranked 28.
Late to the party, but here are the other ranked songs so far:
96 - S2N
94 - The Great Debate
93 - This is the Life
91 - Panic Attack
90 - Never Enough
87 - Answering the Call
86 - I Walk Beside You
84 - The Ministry of Lost Souls
82 - A New Beginning
81 - Fall Into The Light
79 - Honor Thy Father
76 - Pale Blue Dot
72 - Our New World
70 - The Enemy Inside
68 - The Bigger Picture
67 - The Gift of Music
61 - Lost Not Forgotten
60 - Barstool Warrior
57 - Behind The Veil
55 - The Looking Glass
54 - Only a Matter of Time
53 - Sacrificed Sons
51 - Surrender to Reason
47 - The Alien
45 - Afterlife
44 - Transcending Time
43 - Sleeping Giant
42 - Raise The Knife
41 - On the Backs of Angels
39 - Awaken the Master
38 - To Live Forever
37 - A Fortune in Lies
32 - The Shattered Fortress
28 - Caught in a Web
24 - The Best of Times
22 - Ytse Jam
19 - The Killing Hand
04 - Hell's Kitchen
NR:
Wither
Vacant
Forsaken
New Millenium
Constant Motion
Through Her Eyes
The Dark Eternal Night
The Silent Man
Beneath the Surface
Hollow Years
Outcry
These Walls
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Catching up.
Outcry # 81 One of the early ADTOE favorites. A victim of the other songs from the album clicking with me quite recently, so Outcry got overshadowed a bit (it' couldn't pull the same trick as Breaking All Illusions did, i.e. clicking immediately and still making huge leaps in appreciation with each listen).
Hell's Kitchen NR It's on FII so I probably never gave it its fair share of attempts.
On The Backs Of Angels #24 A great opener for a great album.
Panic Attack #99 Of all the Octavarium songs which sound fake to me, I like this one the best.
These Walls NR
The Great Debate NR The only 6DOIT song I didn't rank. Not bad, just unnecessary on an album that is full of better stuff and is already long enough.
Barstool Warrior #68 Songs like this one make DoT worthwhile, even if it is not my favorite album.
Caught In A Web #58 My lowest ranked song from Awake. Still a blast.
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I'm not talking about Out of Reach. I didn't rank it either ;D
Now you got me really interested in which song you mean. But if it aint Out of Reach, I'm pretty confident at least I'll have it ranked.
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It's no longer a double tie :(
50. A Nightmare To Remember
Highest Finish: 9 (CanuckChum)
Number of Lists appeared on: 58 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Big fan of this song but I do think it goes on a bit too long. I wished the chopped off the last couple minutes or so, and also thank god MP's version didn't make the album cut.
49. A View From The Top Of The World
Highest Finish: 4 (ReaperKK)
Number of Lists appeared on: 53 (Animal, Awaken, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I think I have a lot of recency bias towards this song. When running it through the ranker I was shocked to see it placed so high but really at the time (and now) I've been going back to this song frequently, so it lives at my number 4.
47t. Lie
Highest Finish: 9 (ReaPsTA, WardySI)
Number of Lists appeared on: 56 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
This song has slowly been moving down my list over the years. It's a good song but the production really ages it.
47t. This Dying Soul
Highest Finish: 1 (Dave_Manchester)
Number of Lists appeared on: 53 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Loved this song when it first came out, still enjoy it and is probably my 3rd favorite of the 12 step suite.
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I just realized after posting this update that these 4 songs make up a pretty heavy update :lol
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
155. Hell's Kitchen
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
142. Ytsejam
139. Panic Attack
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
132. Barstool Warrior
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
109. Outcry
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
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97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
95. The Great Debate
90. On The Backs Of Angels
85. Constant Motion
84. Beneath The Surface
80. The Enemy Inside
78. Hollow Years
76. The Shattered Fortress
73. Lie
68. A Nightmare To Remember
67. The Silent Man
61. These Walls
59. The Gift of Music
57. The Bigger Picture
55. Pale Blue Dot
54. Answering The Call
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
46. A New Beginning
44. Forsaken
43. A View From The Top Of The World. One of those songs that really elevated live. A favorite from the recent era.
41. The Looking Glass
40. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
36. New Millenium
33. Transcending Time
31. The Best Of Times
28. Our New World
25. Raise The Knife
23. I Walk Beside You
21. Sacrificed Sons
19. Caught In A Web. One of the early songs that really helped elevate this band. Still a favorite.
14. To Live Forever
7. This Dying Soul A real gem; I know Dave has this at number one, and I certainly see that. Love this song.
5. This Is The Life
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49t. A View From The Top Of The World
Nice epic, but it might have paid the recency factor. It made my list, but only at 92, 43 positions lower.
49t. A Nightmare To Remember
Ah, one of the most debated DT epics. It all goes well and great until the Beautiful Agony section (beautiful not only in title), then the song goes off the rails and should have really need a good reworking, or an input from an outside producer with objective ears.
Not one of their best ever epics, but surely enjoyable, live it was a blast. I ranked it at 65, 16 positions lower.
47t. Lie
Kickass track from a kickass album. Awesome companion to The Mirror, heavy, punchy and catchy. Wonderful song that cracked my top 20 exactly at the 20th place, 27 places higher!
47t. This Dying Soul
Everything I like about the heaviness of Awake is what I DON'T like about This Dying Soul. It's not bad, but there's too many notes, too much Metallica, and too much "modernity" in the style for lack of a better term, the song is "too much" generally, they didn't have to try so hard with Lie to show that they could do heavy stuff.
It barely failed to qualify, it ended up at 104 for me.
My situation so far, from the 60th place onwards I'm gonna place my guesses for the missing songs, and I'm listing just the higher positions for which I have doubts or guesses:
17 The Silent Man (66) +49
20 Lie (47) +27
23 Through Her Eyes (73) +50
28 Wither (99) +71
29 Forsaken (95) +66
30 These Walls (54) +24
36 I'm sure it won't make the list
38 Beneath the Surface (64) +26
40 I'm sure it won't make the list
41 I'm sure it won't make the list
42 The Bigger Picture (60) +18
45 Hollow Years (59) +14
46 Caught In a Web (51) +5
48 I Walk Beside You (80) +32
50 Outcry (58) +8
52 I'm sure it won't make the list
53 Only a Matter of Time (82) +29
56 The Ministry of Lost Souls (61) +5
58 Behind the Veil (89) +31
59 I'm sure it won't make the list
60 I expect it to make the list
61 I'm not sure if it will make the list or not
62 The Killing Hand (68) +6
63 On the Backs of Angels (56) -7
64 I'm sure it won't make the list
65 A Nightmare To Remember (49) -16
66 Barstool Warrior (52) -14
67 I'm sure it won't make the list
68 A Fortune in Lies (78) +10
69 I'm sure it won't make the list
70 The Gift of Music (98) +28
71 I expect it to make the list
72 Raise The Knife (65) -7
73 Panic Attack (55) -18
74 I'm sure it won't make the list
75 I expect it to make the list
76 I expect it to make the list
77 I'm sure it won't make the list
78 The Best of Times (77) -1
79 I'm sure it won't make the list
80 I'm sure it won't make the list
81 I expect it to make the list
82 I'm sure it won't make the list
83 Transcending Time (90) +7
84 I expect it to make the list
85 I'm sure it won't make the list
86 Vacant (97) +11
87 The Shattered Fortress (79) -8
88 I'm sure it won't make the list
89 Fall Into The Light (72) -17
90 I'm sure it won't make the list
91 I'm sure it won't make the list
92 A View from the Top of the World (49) -43
93 I'm sure it won't make the list
94 I'm sure it won't make the list
95 I'm sure it won't make the list
96 Never Enough (100) +4
97 Answering the Call (76) -21
98 I'm sure it won't make the list
99 The Enemy Inside (83) -16
100 S2N (94) -6
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Catching up:
55. Panic Attack: #13 - Love this song. Excellent combination of heavy, melody and just outright awesomeness. all members shine in this track.
54. These Walls: #49 - Great piece. I mentioned before that this piece was ruined for me here but I still like it a lot.
53. The Great Debate: #21 - Never understood why many don't like this song. My only nitpick with this is the ending feels anticlimactic, but beyond that, it is a great piece.
52. Barstool Warrior: #29 - My least favorite song from DoT when it came out. But it clicked with me when I saw it live for the second time.
51. Caught In A Web: #40 - Fun track.
49t. A View From The Top Of The World: #54 This is a great epic with several interesting parts sprinkled throughout.
49t. A Nightmare To Remember: #92 - The "Hopeless drifting" part one of the most beautiful passages DT has written (IMO). The rest of the song drags this down though.
47t. Lie: #57 - Not much to say here.
47t. This Dying Soul: #66 - There is a lot to like here, and a lot to dislike.
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Catch up post!
55 Panic Attack - DNR. Just never cared for it.
54 These Walls - I have this one at # 72. One of my favorites from an album that is not one of my favorites.
53 The Great Debate - DNR. Again, never cared for it, although on a technical level, it is very impressive.
52 Barstool Warrior - Nice song. I had this one at # 71. One of the best on Distance Over Time.
51 Caught In A Web - Not one of my favorites on Awake, but one a different album, I bet it would stand out more. I had it at # 82.
49t A View From The Top of the World - I like this song, but it's probably my least favorite of the epics. I have it at # 76.
49t A Nightmare to Remember - DNR. I love the "Beautiful Agony" section, but I find the rest of the song repugnant.
47t Lie - DNR. I actually do like this one, it just didn't quite make my Top 100.
47t This Dying Soul - Fun, fun song. I have it at # 64. I understand completely why the people who don't care for don't care for it, but I still like it.
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Also, Stadler - why don't you like Hell's Kitchen?
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49t. A Nightmare To Remember
Highest Finish: 8 (Mladen)
There is some sort of a mix up here, man. I had A Nightmare to remember at #17. I did still rank it pretty high up, I do love it. It was the first new Dream Theater song that I heard after becoming a fan and I remember that I had to lie down once I first listened to it. It was exhausting. :lol
A View and Lie didn't make it, but This dying soul was my #20. The entire song is spectacular, but that outro is their second best outro ever, only coming behind the ending solo in The Ministry of lost souls
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I like Lie the best of today’s batch. Always liked the opening riff a lot, the lyrics are a little awkward, and I could see not liking the almost rap-like verses, but they never bothered me. I probably would say that if you wanted to shorten Awake at all Lie/The Mirror would be the ones I would drop (not that there is anything wrong with Awake as it is).
This Dying Soul is OK, but not something I listen to much.
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I probably would say that if you wanted to shorten Awake at all Lie/The Mirror would be the ones I would drop (not that there is anything wrong with Awake as it is).
This is heresy. I demand satisfaction.
;D
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3 out of 4 today...
A View of the Top of the World ranked at 41. Like it a lot but not as much as some other epics and not as top of the album either.
A Nightmare To Remember ranked at 77. This could have ranked higher if it was not for some questionable choices in the arrangements and production. Almost want to edit out the MP vocal section... then agai there are some really nice sections too
Lie ranked at 47. Got 9 other songs from Awake higher though.
This Dying Soul fell ouside the scope. It's not a bad song and seeing this with Shattered Fortress was awesome but at the end of the day only 100 songs fit.
My ranking so far
19 The Silent Man (66)
21 Caught In a Web (51)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
37 Our New World (93)
41 A View from the Top of the World (49t)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
47 Lie (47t)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
75 The Alien (69)
77 A Nightmare To Remember (49t)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52), This Dying Soul (47t)
Rated: 27
Not rated: 27
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Also, Stadler - why don't you like Hell's Kitchen?
I think it's guilt by association. I don't hate it, but I definitely don't like Burning My Soul more. I think it was one of those numbers that got caught up in a fog of too many decent songs.
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A View from the Top of the World - not ranked - I'm simply not familiar enough with this one. I do remember that I liked some of the parts.
A Nightmare to Remember - #54 - this song is good but could've definitely used some trimming and rewriting. I never listen to it on its own but on the album it's alright.
Lie - #82 - this song is okay but not my favourite on Awake. Its counterpart is way better.
This Dying Soul - #94 - only ranked this one because I needed a hundred songs. I don't skip it but I don't think it's any good either.
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I probably would say that if you wanted to shorten Awake at all Lie/The Mirror would be the ones I would drop (not that there is anything wrong with Awake as it is).
This is heresy. I demand satisfaction.
;D
I do like both songs. It's just a long chunk of music on a long CD. I could also see just removing Erotomania.
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A View From The Top Of The World (19) An overwhelming favorite from A View. I don't like it as much as ACOS or TCOT but it's on par with Octavarium and Illumination Theory (which means it's great).
A Nightmare To Remember (96 or 98) I slipped this one to the list in the last minute instead of one of TA songs, not sure which one it was, and I made these changes right in the PM that I sent to Reaper, not in the original excel file. Hence the uncertainty about the placement. It has many good passages but MP' vocal involvement brings it down.
Lie (74) - It seems I was wrong and this is my lowest ranked Awake song, not CITW. I like it a fair bit on its own, but like The Mirror a lot more and the way Lie is inserted inside The Mirror and interrupts its moodiest part is something I will always hold against this song.
This Dying Soul (69) - Like a good part of ToT, I enjoy this one immensely as a part of an album experience, but I rarely seek it out on its own.
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I probably would say that if you wanted to shorten Awake at all Lie/The Mirror would be the ones I would drop (not that there is anything wrong with Awake as it is).
This is heresy. I demand satisfaction.
;D
I would only take out Lie. I actually did a mix of The Mirror that cuts out Lie and just skips to the reprise. It basically sounds like a studio version of what they did on LSFNY. Thats my go to version of The Mirror and it’s one of my favorites
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49t. A Nightmare To Remember
Highest Finish: 8 (Mladen)
There is some sort of a mix up here, man. I had A Nightmare to remember at #17. I did still rank it pretty high up, I do love it. It was the first new Dream Theater song that I heard after becoming a fan and I remember that I had to lie down once I first listened to it. It was exhausting. :lol
A View and Lie didn't make it, but This dying soul was my #20. The entire song is spectacular, but that outro is their second best outro ever, only coming behind the ending solo in The Ministry of lost souls
pm sent!
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49t. A View From The Top Of The World
49t. A Nightmare To Remember
47t. Lie
47t. This Dying Soul
I had View at #48. It's solid, but it hasn't yet crept into the upper echelon of DT "epics."
Nightmare came in at #73. It's a really good 9-minute song. Unfortunately, it's nearly twice that long.
Lie came in at #86. It's ok and certainly better than its predecessor on the album. I'm really surprised to see it this high.
TDS barely squeaked into my top 100 at #100. It's just ok.
List Not Ranked
100 This Dying Soul (47T) Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall into the Light (72), Honor Thy Father (71), Raise the Knife (65)
98
97 This Is the Life (88)
96
95
94
93
92 The Ministry of Lost Souls (61)
91
90
89
88
87
86 Lie (47T)
85
84 Forsaken (95)
83
82
81
80
79 Vacant (97)
78
77 The Silent Man (66)
76
75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
74
73 A Nightmare to Remember (49T)
72
71
70
69
68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
67 The Dark Eternal Night (70)
66 Pale Blue Dot (62)
65 Transcending Time (90)
64
63
62
61 Beneath the Surface (64)
60 Hell's Kitchen (57)
59 Afterlife (96)
58
57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
56
55 The Alien (69)
54
53 The Bigger Picture (60)
52
51
50
49
48 A View from the Top of the World (49T)
47
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45
44 On the Backs of Angels (56)
43 Ytse Jam (67)
42
41 Through Her Eyes (74)
40
39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
38 Hollow Years (59)
37
36
35
34
33 Outcry (33)
32
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30
29
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26
25
24
23
22
21
20
19 Sacrificed Sons (63)
18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
16
15 The Killing Hand (68)
14
13
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
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Ok...since I didn't do this over the weekend...
55. Panic Attack - came in at #45 in the last countdown (-10)
54. These Walls - came in at #41 in the last countdown (-13)
53. The Great Debate - came in at #46 in the last countdown (-7)
52. Barstool Warrior - came in at #39 in the last countdown (-13)
51. Caught in a Web - came in at #63 in the last countdown (+12)
49T. A Nightmare to Remember - came in at #55 in the last countdown (+6)
47T. Lie - came in at #59T in the last countdown (+12)
47T. This Dying Soul - came in at #51 in the last countdown (+4)
(View is not included since it wasn't part of the last countdown)
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THE SCORE SO FAR
(The World Is Still Upside Down Edition)
1. A Dramatic Turn of Events (5 songs, 166 points): This Is the Life (88), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Beneath the Surface (64), Outcry (58), On the Backs of Angels (56)
2. A View from the Top of the World (6 songs, 157 points): Transcending Time (90), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), Answering the Call (75), The Alien (69), A View from the Top of the World (49) I suspect we may have seen the last entry from this album.
3. Octavarium (5 songs, 153 points): Never Enough (100), I Walk Beside You (80), Sacrificed Sons (63), Panic Attack (55), These Walls (54)
4. Awake (3 songs, 139 points): The Silent Man (66), Caught in a Web (51), Lie (47T)
5. Distance over Time (4 songs, 124 points): S2N (94), Fall into the Light (72), Pale Blue Dot (62), Barstool Warrior (52)
6. When Dream and Day Unite (5 songs, 114 points): Afterlife (96), Only a Matter of Time (82), A Fortune in Lies (78), The Killing Hand (68), Ytse Jam (67) - I suspect we may have seen the last entry from this album since none of the three remaining songs from this album made the last countdown.
7. Falling into Infinity (3 songs, 100 points): New Millennium (87), Hollow Years (59), Hell’s Kitchen (57)
8. Black Clouds & Silver Linings (4 songs, 99 points): Wither (99), The Shattered Fortress (79), The Best of Times (77), A Nightmare to Remember (50)
9. Dream Theater (5 songs, 98 points): The Looking Glass (92), Behind the Veil (89), The Enemy Inside (83T), Surrender to Reason (83T), The Bigger Picture (60)
10. Systematic Chaos (4 songs, 92 points): Forsaken (95), Constant Motion (86), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61)
11. Train of Thought (3 songs, 88 points): Vacant (97), Honor Thy Father (71), This Dying Soul (47T)
12. Other (2 songs, 61 points): To Live Forever (76), Raise the Knife (65) I expect we'll see no more non-album tracks for quite a while.
13. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (1 song, 48 points): The Great Debate (53)
14. Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory (1 song, 27 points): Through Her Eyes (74)
15. The Astonishing (3 songs, 21 points): The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91) Maybe one more coming from this album?
16. Images and Words (0 songs)
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As I mentioned earlier, A View From the Top of the World was one of the hardest pieces for me to rank. I kept on swiping the track up and down, never higher than the #7 where it landed, but multiple times a little lower. In the end I decided a helicopter-view decision. I love Dream Theater far the most due to their wonderful, wonderful constructed epics. Therefore I ranked them (the ones I consider to be an epic) first, followed by the ranking machine. This one is considered lowest by me, but that's partly because In the Presence of Enemies has aged so well... Seeing A View live definitely improved my love for the piece.
This Dying Soul is an absolute masterpiece, which has the Metallica-riff style (which I love), but non of that band is able to stand aside Dream Theater, when it comes to musicianship. As follow up to The Glass Prison the song is first class brilliant.
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
091: Caught In a Web 40
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
074: Sacrified Sons 9
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
056: A Nightmare to Remember 7
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
050: Wither 49
048: Transcending Time 42
046: Barstool Warrior 6
044: Ytse Jam 23
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
037: The Bigger Picture 23
029: Awaken the Master 52
027: Honor Thy Father 44
025: Lie 22
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
014: This Dying Soul 33
010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
007: A View From the Top of the World 42
not rankend: 9 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night
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THE SCORE SO FAR
(The World Is Still Upside Down Edition)
2. A View from the Top of the World (6 songs, 157 points): Transcending Time (90), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), Answering the Call (75), The Alien (69), A View from the Top of the World (49T) I suspect we may have seen the last entry from this album.
I'll used to think Invisible Monster is the easiest piece to digest, so I really do believe that one's still to come. Several pages back I said that I pressumed all A View songs would make the list. Still looks that way to me (although it would surprise a little if Invisible Monster hit the 30's).
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Interestingly, other than the 6 songs from View (so far), only one song (Wither) made the top 100 that didn't make it last time, and I doubt any other songs will make it since that would involve a jump of 55+ spots.
So far, the biggest jump has been Through Her Eyes (#94 in the prior countdown, #74 this time), and the biggest drop has been Fall into the Light (#43 in the prior countdown, #72 this time).
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I really like your data-droppings pg1067.
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view - none
nightmare - none
lie - 14
Soul - 87
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A View from the Top of the World: didn't make the cut. Long rather than epic, tropey rather than progressive.
A Nightmare to Remember: didn't make the cut. Beautiful agony amidst regular agony.
Lie: 78. Powerful rocker with a bunch of really original bits in it.
This Dying Soul: didn't make the cut. Too much of a not so great thing.
The Score so far:
21 - A New Beginning
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
56 - The Bigger Picture
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
78 - Lie
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
92 - The Killing Hand
95 - Barstool Warrior
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 30
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A View From The Top of the World - I ranked this 82. I have mixed feeling on this song but enough good ones to get it in the top 100. I also agree with pg that this will most likely be the last song we see from this album.
A Nightmare to Remember - never liked this song much upon album release. Loved it when I saw it live and also loved it during those new drummer auditions (although that wasn't the whole song we were seeing) but for some reason it made me like it more.....probably a bit long..my rank 74.
Lie - A great heavy tune which probably hasn't aged that great but still have to give it credit for how much I loved it in the 90s. My rank 38.
The Dying Soul - So much to love in this song, some really great music that really hits the spot for me like most of the album does. I know this style isn't for everyone but I do love some great heavy DT. My rank 36.
Still 10 unranked. And on a side note, can't wait to see Indiscipline's full list - 30 songs unranked so far!
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A View from the Top of the World - 58
Decent epic. Not quite as good as the others, but a worthy entry
A Nightmare to Remember - 56
Pretty close to View’s ranking. This is probably the best post-8V pre-MM song they did.
Lie - DNR
The only dud from Awake. Almost ruins the otherwise amazing Mirror. How this got to be the lead single from the album, I’ll never know.
This Dying Soul - 76
This seems too low. I’m disappointed in myself for letting this slip so far down my list. Really all of the first 3 entries in the 12SS should be in my top 50, so this was an oversight.
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I will not carry 50-100 through the rest of this thread.
49t. A View From The Top Of The World (NR) I gave this song 5 chances and I was never impressed. I do intend to give it more chances, maybe it'll click one day.
49t. A Nightmare To Remember (68th) Much of this song is pretty good, and then Beautiful Agony is many tiers above it. It's too long, though.
47t. Lie (72nd) Really cool song, maybe should be higher for me, and the instrumental rocks.
47t. This Dying Soul (34th) The moment that riff hits and the band comes in...come on! So good! Lots to like, a great part of the 12SS.
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49t. A View From The Top Of The World
Highest Finish: 4 (ReaperKK)
Number of Lists appeared on: 53 (Animal, Awaken, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
49t. A Nightmare To Remember
Highest Finish: 8 (Mladen)
Number of Lists appeared on: 58 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
47t. Lie
Highest Finish: 9 (ReaPsTA, WardySI)
Number of Lists appeared on: 56 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
47t. This Dying Soul
Highest Finish: 1 (Dave_Manchester)
Number of Lists appeared on: 53 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had A View From The Top Of The World at #39.
This is a really great tune. It's very easy on the ears, and man that outro live was :metal
I had A Nightmare To Remember at #77.
I feel like this song is about 4 minutes too long. The outro is never ending. But besides that, I like the rest of it.
I had Lie at #95.
At least I can say that Lie > The Mirror.
I had This Dying Soul at #20.
Great and heavy and progressive tune. It all works for me.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 Transcending Time
95 Lie Behind The Veil
94 New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot
84
83
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78
77 A Nightmare To Remember
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72
71
70
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58
57
56
55
54 Barstool Warrior
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46
45
44 Panic Attack
43
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39 A View From The Top Of The World
38
37 Fall Into The Light
36
35 The Gift Of Music
34
33
32
31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20 This Dying Soul
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15
14 The Best Of Times
13
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10
9
8
7
6
5
4 The Killing Hand
3
2
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Catching up...
1. This Dying Soul
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12. Outcry
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.
21. The Great Debate
22. The Shattered Fortress
23. Answering The Call
24.
25.
26.
27. Awaken The Master
28.
29.
30.
31.
32. Forsaken
33. A View From The Top Of The World
34.
35.
36. Beneath The Surface
37.
38.
39.
40.
41. The Best of Times
42. On The Backs of Angels
43.
44.
45.
46. Panic Attack
47. Lie
48.
49. The Alien
50.
51. Behind the Veil
52.
53. These Walls
54.
55. The Ministry of Lost Souls
56. Sleeping Giant
57. Fall Into The Light
58. Pale Blue Dot
59.
60. Sacrificed Sons
61. Honor Thy Father
62. New Millennium
63.
64. Barstool Warrior
65.
66. Hell's Kitchen
67.
68.
69. The Bigger Picture
70.
71. Transcending Time (my lowest ranked song from View)
72.
73. I Walk Beside You
74.
75. Never Enough
76. Hollow Years (#TeamBudokan by the way)
77.
78.
79. Caught In A Web
80.
81.
82.
83.
84.
85.
86. Surrender To Reason
87.
88. Vacant (lowest ranked song from ToT)
89.
90.
91.
92. The Looking Glass
93. A Fortune In Lies
94. Ytse Jam
95. Afterlife
96.
97.
98. Constant Motion
99.
100. The Enemy Inside
Some comments:
Panic Attack is just the perfect marriage of music and lyrics, with those palpitating rhythms at the start and Labrie's quivery vocals in the "Run, try to hide" sections. The entire song feels like emotional overload.
I don't mind the Toolisms in The Great Debate, because I happen to love Tool (stop your sniggering at the back). The opening and the closing sections are a tad too long, and I think it could probably have used a better chorus than "LIFE TO SAVE LIFE", but again...they were going for a Tool vibe. Great instrumental section. Disc 1 of Six Degrees really is the band's finest hour in my opinion (we'll get to disc 2 in due course...)
A View From The Top Of The World...yeah, good long song. Despite the length it doesn't have the epic quality of their other very long songs, this one is basically just like the other tunes on View but twice longer. There are no transcendent moments, which all their other +20 minute songs have. Nothing spine-chilling. But it's 20 minutes of good riffs, good solos, nice melodies and an unexpected ending. Very happy to see 6 of View's 7 songs make the list (chap earlier said he thinks Invisible Monster will still make it - I love it but no chance).
A Nightmare To Remember didn't make my list. It's one of those DT songs where I feel there's a fantastic 7 or 8 minute song somewhere inside it (looking at you too, Ministry of Lost Souls). As it is, it's just too messy for me, and the Opeth homage during the "everyone survived" denouement sits awkwardly with me.
Lie. That outro. 'nuff said. JP's tone on the Awake album was incredible.
This Dying Soul. My #1. I went with nostalgia in the end. Train of Thought was the first album to come out when I was a huge fan of the band and it blew me away. To this day I still name it as my favourite metal album. I'm actually not much of a metal guy but something about that album really affected me. For me This Dying Soul is the best representation of what Dream Theater do that no other band is capable of doing. It thrilled me then and it still does now. If Honor Thy Father had been closer to the demo version (the "expecting everyone to bow and kiss your feet" section is taken at a more leisurely pace and it think it sounds a lot better that way), I'd name ToT as a basically flawless album.
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A View From The Top Of The World (my #38) is really great, but there are better DT epics.
It has its flaws, but the best parts of A Nightmare To Remember (my # 14) more than make up for it, making it truly excellent. I love the live version with Mangini.
This Dying Soul (my #90) is also my third favorite part of the suite. Has DT ever made a heavier and more intense piece of music than this?!
Lie (my #57) is really killer and that outro is amazing!
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I had AVFTTOTW at number 30. This surprised me where it ended up but I've been loving this song more and more. When I started to warm to some of the new album, it was this song I kept coming back to. It took so long to grow but it's worthy of it's ranking. I think everything about it is just excellent and I love the twist of the outro, very classy.
ANTR came in at 53. Always been an enjoyable song. The beautiful agony section is amazing and I love the whole metal vibe of it. The MP part is awful though. If they got Arkefeldt to do this section like they were thinking, it could have escalated the song into elite territory for me.
Lie. 34 for me. Probably a bit high but this one always stuck with me. I found it catchy and James' strange delivery kept growing on me too. Cool, heavy shit with a 90's flavour.
TDS last time we did this came in at number 1. This time, it came in at number 2. I still wonder if it losing the top spot was the right thing but what's done is done. It's amazing in every facet. Heavy, ripping and the last minute is epic fucking DT at its best. Really fun song to play too.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77
76
75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
73
72
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63 Panic Attack
62
61 On the Backs of Angels
60
59
58 Afterlife
57 Caught In A Web
56
55
54 The Great Debate
53 A Nightmare to Remember
52
51 Answering the Call
50
49
48 The Shattered Fortress
47
46
45
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43
42 Never Enough
41
40
39
38
37 The Bigger Picture
36 Outcry
35
34 Lie
33
32 I Walk Beside You
31
30 A View From the Top of the World
29 Surrender to Reason
28 Bartsool Warrior
27
26
25
24
23
22
21
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18
17
16
15
14
13 These Walls
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2 This Dying Soul.
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This Dying Soul. My #1. I went with nostalgia in the end. Train of Thought was the first album to come out when I was a huge fan of the band and it blew me away. To this day I still name it as my favourite metal album. I'm actually not much of a metal guy but something about that album really affected me. For me This Dying Soul is the best representation of what Dream Theater do that no other band is capable of doing. It thrilled me then and it still does now. If Honor Thy Father had been closer to the demo version (the "expecting everyone to bow and kiss your feet" section is taken at a more leisurely pace and it think it sounds a lot better that way), I'd name ToT as a basically flawless album.
Did you submit a list last countdown mate and if so where did you rank this song? I can't remember if I was the only one that had it in the top spot.
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^^ No, I missed the first DT countdown. This is my first time submitting a list.
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^^ No, I missed the first DT countdown. This is my first time submitting a list.
Ah yes, thought that might be the case. I was sure I was the only one that had it in the top spot. It's good to see someone give it as much love as I do. :metal
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Got a bit of catching up to do it seems, life has been kicking my ass...
First up is Outcry. This song gets the award for being closest to make my top 100, whilst not, as it came in at #101. This is definitely a really cool song, but I think it may be a little overlong which ultimately hurt it in the rankings.
Hell's Kitchen was closely ranked, but also didn't make it at #104. This song isn't bad but I find it a little meandering and as someone who isn't a fan of FII, this did well to rank this high.
On The Backs of Angels DID make my top 100, at a very respectable #56. This was one of the big climbers from ADToE during this whole process and one I've come away with a much greater appreciation of. That intro with the choir is just epic as shit and the song just stays consistently great throughout.
Panic Attack is one of my highest ranked yet, at #16. Holy shit, that intro, I freaking love it. I don't often pay attention to lyrics in a lot of songs but these ones do stand out a bit more. Everything about this song rocks, but the pounding riff/drum combo is my favourite thing
These Walls also starts with a beast of a riff and then the keys coming in, just fucking godly. The verses pake in comparison to the chorus in this song. The instrumentation going on is just so damn good. Those choruses alone are pretty much enough to seal this.
On to The Great Debate. I had this at #65. I thinks this songs subject matter, for me, kinda helps and hinders it at the same time. I love the questions it brings up and find the whole debate very interesting, but it feels slightly less of a song because of it. It feels to me like a mini documentary in song form. I'm also not the biggest fan of the album, so #65 is about right for me.
Barstool Warrior was at #82, and even though it's a pretty decent song it baffles me that it's higher than some of the songs we've already seen.
I don't mind Caught In a Web too much, but it still only landed at #91. Musically it is pretty cool but as catchy as the chorus is, I also find it kind of annoying.
If there's one thing I know, it is that DT epics generally rank in the higher side with me. A View from the Top of the World was the highest ranking song from the album of the same name, and I had it at #77.
A Nightmare To Remember is my highest ranked so far, just shy of my top 10, at #11. Yea, I love BC&SL and I love pretty much everything about this song. There are so many good bits but the "Hopelessly drifting, bathing in beautiful agony..." part is one of my all time favourite DT moments. This should be higher, but I guess Mike's vocals kinda ruined it's chances there.
Lie has some really cool bits alongside so not so cool bits. That's all I've got... #75
Finally, This Dying Soul was my #76 pick. Another ToT song that I can appreciate as being pretty decent yet never have the desire to listen to (basically how I feel about the whole album).
Think that's everything for now.
My ranking so far:
11. A Nightmare To Remember
13. Wither
16. Panic Attack
18. The Dark Eternal Night
20. Never Enough
21. The Ministry of Lost Souls
23. Sacrificed Sons
27. The Best of Times
28. These Walls
29. Constant Motion
30. A New Beginning
31. The Shattered Fortress
35. The Enemy Inside
36. I Walk Beside You
44. Through Her Eyes
45. The Looking Glass
49. Forsaken
55. Behind the Veil
56. On the Backs of Angels
57. The Bigger Picture
62. Surrender to Reason
64. Fall Into the Light
65. The Great Debate
69. Ytse Jam
73. Honor Thy Father
75. Lie
76. This Dying Soul
77. A View from the Top of the World
80. To Live Forever
82. Barstool Warrior
83. This is the Life
84. Lost Not Forgotten
86. Our New World
91. Caught In a Web
93. Hollow Years
96. Beneath the Surface
99. Pale Blue Dot
100. New Millennium
Not ranked:
101. Outcry
104. Hell's Kitchen
109. Vacant
110. The Silent Man
111. Raise The Knife
112. Only a Matter of Time
113. Afterlife
114. A Fortune in Lies
115. The Killing Hand
119. Sleeping Giant
121. Awaken the Master
122. Answering the Call
123. Transcending Time
124. The Alien
125. S2N
140. The Gift of Music
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In the previous update there were two ties, after Mladen noticed that he was ranked higher than he submitted I got his list and went back and checked it out. I fixed the mistake there and updated the rank, the only difference it made was rank Nightmare slightly lower. Apologies!
With that we have another tie today!
46. One Last Time
Highest Finish: 8 (SwedishGoose)
Number of Lists appeared on: 57 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I'm a big fan of One Last Time.
44t. Peruvian Skies
Highest Finish: 8 (Vmadera00)
Number of Lists appeared on: 59 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Fantastic tune from a fantastic record.
44t. Wait For Sleep
Highest Finish: 4 (WardySI)
Number of Lists appeared on: 59 (Adami, Animal, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
A beautiful song. It's the perfect length and is the perfect lead into Learning to Live.
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THE SCORE SO FAR
(The World Is Still Upside Down Edition)
2. A View from the Top of the World (6 songs, 157 points): Transcending Time (90), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), Answering the Call (75), The Alien (69), A View from the Top of the World (49T) I suspect we may have seen the last entry from this album.
I'll used to think Invisible Monster is the easiest piece to digest, so I really do believe that one's still to come. Several pages back I said that I pressumed all A View songs would make the list. Still looks that way to me (although it would surprise a little if Invisible Monster hit the 30's).
I have made my fair share of wrong predictions (like the one about how, by the time we hit the Top 50, this thread was going to get longer than MP 's return thread) but I think you are beating me handily here in that regard. IMO, Invisible Monster is about as likely to make the Top 100 as You Not Me.
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I had One Last Time at 55, 9 positions lower.
Probably the only song on Scenes from a Memory that works better in the context of the album, anyway, it's still a great song with many wonderful melodies.
Peruvian Skies almost cracked my top 20 - it ended up at 21, fantastic song and I love the Floyd / Metallica inserts live. On any other day it could probably rank a bit lower but who cares, it's a great song and one of the best on Falling Into Infinity.
Wait for Sleep is a jewel and a masterpiece, a big legacy left from Kevin More. I don't consider it an intro or an interlude, but a wonderful song on its own and a masterpiece in a masterpiece album.
Having said that, competition is so tough so it ended up at 34, 10 positions higher.
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46 One Last Time - Pretty close to the consensus. I had this one at # 41. Just a really nice composition, and a wonderful part of SFAM.
44t Peruvian Skies - This is weird. I have this one at # 74, which seems wrong to me; it feels like I like it better than that lol. One of my favorites from Falling Into Infinity.
44t Wait For Sleep - Again, pretty close to the consensus. I have it at # 42. Beautiful, haunting, and tasteful.
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One Last Time (52) Like so many SFAM songs, it is a bit handicapped in one-to-one comparisons, but for me, it always punched way above its short length (again, like may SFAM songs do).
Peruvian Skies (82) Far from the most interesting or original DT song, still quite solid compared to a good chunk of FII (and nowhere near as good as the only two A tier DT songs on that album).
Wait For Sleep (13) I have loved this one since the first time I heard IaW. A little transitional piece, but the one I have always liked even better than the song it transitions to. Actually, looking at my list now, it's my highest ranked IaW song.
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46. One Last Time
Highest Finish: 8 (SwedishGoose)
Number of Lists appeared on: 57
44t. Peruvian Skies
Highest Finish: 8 (Vmadera00)
Number of Lists appeared on: 59
44t. Wait For Sleep
Highest Finish: 4 (WardySI)
Number of Lists appeared on: 59
One Last Time: #32 Really fun little track, and I love the call back to this in the closing track of the album.
Peruvian Skies: #8 Yeah, this track is just great. It has a little bit of everything I love about Dream Theater in under 7 minutes.
Wait for Sleep: #73 This should've been higher on my list. Really love this tune.
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One Last Time, such a short sweet beautiful song. Didn't think I would be the highest ranker for anything else than my number 1 but this at 8 was highest too. How can that be? Beautiful piano great guitar, wonderful bass and great vocal melodies.
Peruvian Skies ranked at 86 for me. Great song that could have possibly jumped up a little bit if I had listened before ranking.
Wait for Sleep ranked at 27 for me. Fantastic short song..... piano and vocals give me goose bumps.
My ranking so far
8 One Last Time (46)
19 The Silent Man (66)
21 Caught In a Web (51)
27 Wait For Sleep (44t)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
37 Our New World (93)
41 A View from the Top of the World (49t)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
47 Lie (47t)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
75 The Alien (69)
77 A Nightmare To Remember (49t)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
86 Peruvian Skies (44t)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52), This Dying Soul (47t)
Rated: 30
Not rated: 27
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
155. Hell's Kitchen
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
142. Ytsejam
139. Panic Attack
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
132. Barstool Warrior
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
109. Outcry
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
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97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
95. The Great Debate
90. On The Backs Of Angels
85. Constant Motion
84. Beneath The Surface
82. Peruvian Skies
80. The Enemy Inside
78. Hollow Years
76. The Shattered Fortress
73. Lie
68. A Nightmare To Remember
67. The Silent Man
61. These Walls
59. The Gift of Music
57. The Bigger Picture
56. One Last Time
55. Pale Blue Dot
54. Answering The Call
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
46. A New Beginning
44. Forsaken
43. A View From The Top Of The World
41. The Looking Glass
40. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
36. New Millenium
34. Wait For Sleep
33. Transcending Time
31. The Best Of Times
28. Our New World
25. Raise The Knife
23. I Walk Beside You
21. Sacrificed Sons
19. Caught In A Web
14. To Live Forever
7. This Dying Soul
5. This Is The Life
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I noticed it's three entries already that all the songs listed are in someone's top 10. Should we assume that it's gonna be this way until the top position? that if songs around the 40th mark are already in someone's top ten, it's only logical and mathematical that songs that ranked even higher are in someone's top 10 as well?
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One last time was my #56. This is one of their best ballads, without a doubt. That last minute is just majestic and one of the highlights of their performance when I saw them play the entire album in 2020.
Peruvian skies was my #9. I assume I was its 2nd highest voter. Needless to say, I love everything about this song and I'm glad it cracked the top fifty.
Wait for sleep was my #52. Another amazing tune. Nothing to add to everything that was said about it over the years.
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One Last Time - 50
Peruvian Skies - 38
Wait For Sleep - 25
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One Last Time - As much as I love SFAM, this one has never been a standout track. It's still damn fine though. #54 for me.
Peruvian Skies - "Poor Vanessa". An early favourite from when I got into the album. The live version with a touch of Enter Sandman was pretty cool. #40
Wait For Sleep - Amazingly beautiful. If I could play the piano, that's a song I'd love to be able to play. I had it at #12.
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I really like One Last Time, though I think of it more as a segway than a stand alone song.
Peruvian Skies is one I go back and forth on. Part of me feels it’s too derivative of Rush/Pink Floyd/Metallica, and part of me just doesn’t love it musically. I do think it’s a strong lyric though, and I’ve always really liked the drumming on it. Ultimately, I favor other stuff from the FII sessions that got left off the album, but I think it’s a decent track.
Wait for Sleep is gorgeous and has always been a favorite moment on I&W. Also one of the few songs I’ve ever learned properly on piano. Really nice piece that links up nicely with Learning to Live.
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52. Barstool Warrior (#50) I treat this as a Side One album ending track. Fits like a glove.
51. Caught In A Web (#82)
50. A Nightmare To Remember (#99) the agony is beautiful, other great moments, but there’s too many flaws throughout
49. A View From The Top Of The World (#83) fifteen minutes might have been better.
47t. Lie (#91) I happen to prefer the 45 version
47t. This Dying Soul (NR) we are such a diverse group! 😉
46. One Last Time (#28) Pavlovian bump. Can’t listen to ‘Dance of Eternity’ without hearing this and the next song.
44t. Peruvian Skies (NR) * my second oversight. Would have been in the 80s. Otherwise, it would have been the first listed song to gather sixty votes.
44t. Wait For Sleep (#17) another Pavlovian bump. Just gotta listen to the next song!
40/57 **
Oh, and thanks to all the musicians on this thread for their various comments.
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I noticed it's three entries already that all the songs listed are in someone's top 10. Should we assume that it's gonna be this way until the top position? that if songs around the 40th mark are already in someone's top ten, it's only logical and mathematical that songs that ranked even higher are in someone's top 10 as well?
Not a logical necessity, but extremely likely (I'd say 99%+, but this is just a gut estimation, without trying to compute the actual probabilities).
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The passage from 2:20 in OLT is my favourite verse on the album. Wonderful vocal melody. Lush.
I find PS a bit dull these days. In the lower half of the album. But I’m one of the few who really like FII, so that’s not as harsh as some might think.
WSS is a pretty good track on a pretty good album.
We’re in that phase now where I don’t have to scratch my head when a slightly less familiar song gets mentioned. This countdown has been a great excuse to reacquaint myself with some of the latter day catalog.
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Wait for Sleep is gorgeous and has always been a favorite moment on I&W. Also one of the few songs I’ve ever learned properly on piano. Really nice piece that links up nicely with Learning to Live.
Cool. I'm planning to do the same. I've done it on guitar but I couldn't handle playing that irregular pattern and singing at the same time.
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I noticed it's three entries already that all the songs listed are in someone's top 10. Should we assume that it's gonna be this way until the top position? that if songs around the 40th mark are already in someone's top ten, it's only logical and mathematical that songs that ranked even higher are in someone's top 10 as well?
Not a logical necessity, but extremely likely (I'd say 99%+, but this is just a gut estimation, without trying to compute the actual probabilities).
I think you are right.
The last ranked song to not make someone's top 10 was Outcry at #58. So it should be safe to assume that everything that is still left on the board will be in someone's top 10, specially as we are so close to the top 40.
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In the previous update there were two ties, after Mladen noticed that he was ranked higher than he submitted I got his list and went back and checked it out. I fixed the mistake there and updated the rank, the only difference it made was rank Nightmare slightly lower. Apologies!
I edited my album rankings based on this.
46. One Last Time
44t. Peruvian Skies
44t. Wait For Sleep
I didn't think much about One Last Time - as a stand-alone song - when SFAM was first released, but over the years it's become much more prominent for me. Sadly, we got no footage of JM playing the fretless bass on LSFNY. I had OLT at #42, so pretty close to the consensus. It finished at #65 in the prior countdown, so this is a big leap of 19 places.
I'm really surprised to see Peruvian Skies. I had actually thought there might only be one song left that I didn't rank. This song does squat for me. It finished at #61 in the prior countdown, so another big leap of 17 places.
Wait for Sleep goes hand in hand with Vacant and The Silent Man as nice transitional pieces. I had it at #78, and 44 seems pretty high (but not nearly as high as the #32 spot where it finished in the last countdown).
List Not Ranked
100 This Dying Soul (47T) Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall into the Light (72), Honor Thy Father (71), Raise the Knife (65), Peruvian Skies (44T)
98
97 This Is the Life (88)
96
95
94
93
92 The Ministry of Lost Souls (61)
91
90
89
88
87
86 Lie (47T)
85
84 Forsaken (95)
83
82
81
80
79 Vacant (97)
78 Wait for Sleep (44T)
77 The Silent Man (66)
76
75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
74
73 A Nightmare to Remember (50)
72
71
70
69
68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
67 The Dark Eternal Night (70)
66 Pale Blue Dot (62)
65 Transcending Time (90)
64
63
62
61 Beneath the Surface (64)
60 Hell's Kitchen (57)
59 Afterlife (96)
58
57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
56
55 The Alien (69)
54
53 The Bigger Picture (60)
52
51
50
49
48 A View from the Top of the World (49)
47
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45
44 On the Backs of Angels (56)
43 Ytse Jam (67)
42 One Last Time (46)
41 Through Her Eyes (74)
40
39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
38 Hollow Years (59)
37
36
35
34
33 Outcry (33)
32
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30
29
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26
25
24
23
22
21
20
19 Sacrificed Sons (63)
18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
16
15 The Killing Hand (68)
14
13
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
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A big catchup update for me:
64. Beneath The Surface - 93 - Something a little different and I love the solo section.
63. Sacrificed Sons - 63 - I hit one right on the nose :)
62. Pale Blue Dot - 32 - One of my favorites from the Mangini era. I still wear the PBD/Voyager themed tour t-shirt frequently :)
61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls - 51 - The buildup when James starts singing after the instrumental section to when the full band kicks in gets me everytime. This has dropped off a bit for me over the past few years, but I still enjoy it.
60. The Bigger Picture - 80 - Decent tune.
59. Hollow Years - 35 - Early favorite of mine when I first became a fan (Budokan). I don't think the album version is quite as good, but it is still great.
58. Outcry - 48 - I get a vivid picture in my head of people revolting against oppression/etc... when the chorus hits during this tune. The band must have done something right :)
57. Hell's Kitchen - 54 - Beautiful!
56. On The Backs Of Angels - 47 - I was not a fan when this was released as their first Mangini/post Portnoy song. It eventually started to click for me, but didn't become a favorite until I saw them play it live.
55. Panic Attack - 46 - One of the songs that got me into DT back in 2005.
54. These Walls - 74 - I really like the chorus for this song. The rest is alright.
53. The Great Debate - UR - Have never been able to get into this one.
52. Barstool Warrior - 97 - Early favorite from DOT, but has dropped off significantly since 2019.
51. Caught In A Web - 60 - This was higher for me a decade ago. Still enjoy it.
49t. A View From The Top Of The World - UR - I've really tried, but this is my least favorite "epic" by DT. Maybe one day it will "click" for me.
49t. A Nightmare To Remember - 29 - Hell yeah for the most part, but I wish they would have chopped down the long, meandering instrumental section and nixed the Day after day/growl part, but it is still great.
47t. Lie - 45 - Sweet rocker.
47t. This Dying Soul - 25 - Even sweeter rocker. This song has grown on me significantly over the years.
46. One Last Time - 38 - Love the chorus. Scenes is my favorite DT album, so all of the tunes rate highly for me.
44t. Peruvian Skies - 96 - Decent, but not a favorite.
44t. Wait For Sleep - 30 - Lovely, shorter song. Wish we had more from DT in this territory.
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So...at this point, my prediction is that we'll see no more songs from WDADU, TA and View.
None of the 3 remaining WDADU songs made the last countdown.
The highest ranked TA song on the last countdown was A New Beginning at #68, and it was #91 in this countdown.
View is a bit of an unknown since it wasn't part of the last countdown, but I have a hard time imagining the one remaining song being the highest ranked on the album.
ReaperKK, care to comment? :biggrin:
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One Last Time - #30 - I think I might have ranked it too high but in context of SFAM it's just perfect. The chorus is fantastic.
Peruvian Skies - #56 - fairly cool song, one of the stronger tracks on FII.
Wait for Sleep - #17 - absolutely brilliant. I don't consider this one a transitional track either, I think it's a small masterpiece on its own. Beautiful as gossamer threads with raindrops twinkling in the sun as the new day rolls in.
Wait For Sleep (13) I have loved this one since the first time I heard IaW.
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Highest Finish: 4 (WardySI)
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Got some catching up to do . . . bunch of misses this time for a change. CIAW & Lie suffer from "Mr Hyde" version of Kevin Moore. Don't like the Pink Floyd/Metallica mashup of PS. TW didn't miss by much. OLT is an underrated gem so very glad to see if finish high.
5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
9 The Great Debate
11 Outcry
16 One Last Time
20 Lost Not Forgotten
22 A View From the Top of the World
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
28 Fall Into the Light
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
48 A Fortune in Lies
52 Barstool Warrior
51 Our New World
54 Wither
55 The Alien
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
61 I Walk Beside You
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
65 Wait for Sleep
66 The Bigger Picture
67 A Nightmare to Remember
68 Sleeping Giant
70 The Ministry of Lost Souls
75 Panic Attack
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
95 On the Backs of Angels
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen, These Walls, Caught in a Web (ugh), Lie, This Dying Soul, Peruvian Skies
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time, Outcry
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Peruvian Skies is one I go back and forth on. Part of me feels it’s too derivative of Rush/Pink Floyd/Metallica, and part of me just doesn’t love it musically. I do think it’s a strong lyric though, and I’ve always really liked the drumming on it. Ultimately, I favor other stuff from the FII sessions that got left off the album, but I think it’s a decent track.
I've always felt this way, too. Surprised it's ranked so highly. Thought it might not even make the 100.
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Wait for Sleep is gorgeous and has always been a favorite moment on I&W. Also one of the few songs I’ve ever learned properly on piano. Really nice piece that links up nicely with Learning to Live.
Cool. I'm planning to do the same. I've done it on guitar but I couldn't handle playing that irregular pattern and singing at the same time.
It's really tricky and while I've still got it more or less committed to muscle memory 20+ years later, I have a hard time putting the left and right hand together in some places these days. I try to make a point to hammer it out every once in a while so I don't just forget it. I lost the music I learned it on a while back and I'm not sure if that was an exact transcription or if it was loosely arranged, so I'm not sure I could play it if I got new music (it's been a long time since I've attempted to read piano sheet music!).
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ReaperKK, care to comment? :biggrin:
I could comment...but I won't :lol
One of my favorite things about doing these countdowns is seeing all the predictions.
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I predict that my three highest ranked without making the cut will be my number 26, 29 and 30.
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I had AVFTTOTW at number 30. This surprised me where it ended up but I've been loving this song more and more. When I started to warm to some of the new album, it was this song I kept coming back to. It took so long to grow but it's worthy of it's ranking. I think everything about it is just excellent and I love the twist of the outro, very classy.
wolfking you loving the View-epic, I'm so glad. Often you drop some pretty rough opinions on tracks here and there, but what I really respect is that you keep on going back to tracks, to see if they age well (The Astonishing breakdown for example). And then you're the first to admit it took some time but (in some cases) pieces have grown. That - combined with you being skilled AF yourself on Petrucci's Ibanez - make me read your posts with very much interest.
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
091: Caught In a Web 40
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
080: Wait for Sleep 36
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
074: Sacrified Sons 9
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
062: Peruvian Skies 18
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
056: A Nightmare to Remember 6
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
050: Wither 49
048: Transcending Time 42
046: Barstool Warrior 6
044: Ytse Jam 23
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
037: The Bigger Picture 23
029: Awaken the Master 52
027: Honor Thy Father 44
025: Lie 22
024: One Last Time 22
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
014: This Dying Soul 33
010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
007: A View From the Top of the World 42
not rankend: 9 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night
I have made my fair share of wrong predictions (like the one about how, by the time we hit the Top 50, this thread was going to get longer than MP 's return thread) but I think you are beating me handily here in that regard. IMO, Invisible Monster is about as likely to make the Top 100 as You Not Me.
Haha, well, each day proves you're probably right. Ranked Invisible Monster as #97 myself... and me really loving their new album, I follow it's got banned.
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So...at this point, my prediction is that we'll see no more songs from WDADU, TA and View.
None of the 3 remaining WDADU songs made the last countdown.
The highest ranked TA song on the last countdown was A New Beginning at #68, and it was #91 in this countdown.
View is a bit of an unknown since it wasn't part of the last countdown, but I have a hard time imagining the one remaining song being the highest ranked on the album.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Some other relatively tame prediction: the entirety of Images and Words will be featured, and so every song from Scenes from a Memory which isn't Regression or Through My Words. Awake might as well feature all songs but I have doubts about Space Dye Vest and 6:00. Six Degrees might feature all of disc 1 except Disappear.
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I predict that my three highest ranked without making the cut will be my number 26, 29 and 30.
Interesting, I checked my list and I believe all my top50 will make the final list. But #52 is guarantee that it will not make the cut.
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Some other relatively tame prediction: the entirety of Images and Words will be featured, and so every song from Scenes from a Memory which isn't Regression or Through My Words. Awake might as well feature all songs but I have doubts about Space Dye Vest and 6:00. Six Degrees might feature all of disc 1 except Disappear.
Still holding out hope for Space Dye Vest.
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I would be amazed if neither of those tracks made it. 6:00 has an iconic intro while Space Dye Vest appears to be treated as the holy grail of DT songs by a large chunk of the fanbase.
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Some other relatively tame prediction: the entirety of Images and Words will be featured, and so every song from Scenes from a Memory which isn't Regression or Through My Words. Awake might as well feature all songs but I have doubts about Space Dye Vest and 6:00. Six Degrees might feature all of disc 1 except Disappear.
Still holding out hope for Space Dye Vest.
Me too, I love Space-Dye Vest and it might be a favorite of mine, next to Scarred and Voices.
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You know what has struck me in this countdown? For all the "musicianship!" and "18/7 time signatures!" and "metal vocals!", how many songs in their catalogue are just simply beautiful. BEAUTIFUL. "Wait For Sleep" is, to me, a beautiful song. As is "Peruvian Skies". As is "Beneath The Surface". As is "This Is The Life". There are too many bands I truly love, and yet I can't really pinpoint a song that the first word I think of is "beautiful".
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You know what has struck me in this countdown? For all the "musicianship!" and "18/7 time signatures!" and "metal vocals!", how many songs in their catalogue are just simply beautiful. BEAUTIFUL. "Wait For Sleep" is, to me, a beautiful song. As is "Peruvian Skies". As is "Beneath The Surface". As is "This Is The Life". There are too many bands I truly love, and yet I can't really pinpoint a song that the first word I think of is "beautiful".
:tup
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One Last Time: 43. A Night at the Theater of Dreams.
Peruvian Skies: 54. The perfect dose of DT metal.
Wait for Sleep: 61. A delight. I have already "proven" elsewhere this song is the Rosetta Stone for I&W.
The Score so far:
21 - A New Beginning
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
43 - One Last Time
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
54 - Peruvian Skies
56 - The Bigger Picture
61 - Wait for Sleep
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
78 - Lie
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
92 - The Killing Hand
95 - Barstool Warrior
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 30
You know what has struck me in this countdown? For all the "musicianship!" and "18/7 time signatures!" and "metal vocals!", how many songs in their catalogue are just simply beautiful. BEAUTIFUL. "Wait For Sleep" is, to me, a beautiful song. As is "Peruvian Skies". As is "Beneath The Surface". As is "This Is The Life". There are too many bands I truly love, and yet I can't really pinpoint a song that the first word I think of is "beautiful".
Amen.
With DT sometimes it's easy to not see the beautiful trees for the intricate forest.
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49t. A View From The Top Of The World (NR) I gave this song 5 chances and I was never impressed. I do intend to give it more chances, maybe it'll click one day.
49t. A Nightmare To Remember (68th) Much of this song is pretty good, and then Beautiful Agony is many tiers above it. It's too long, though.
47t. Lie (72nd) Really cool song, maybe should be higher for me, and the instrumental rocks.
47t. This Dying Soul (34th) The moment that riff hits and the band comes in...come on! So good! Lots to like, a great part of the 12SS.
46. One Last Time (74th) Yeah, not a SFAM fan. I do plan to give it a spin to see if it finally clicks. Maybe!
44t. Peruvian Skies (95th) Meh, it's aight.
44t. Wait For Sleep (37th) Just beautiful, I still remember the first time hearing it. Really impressed then and just as much now.
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I would be amazed if neither of those tracks made it. 6:00 has an iconic intro while Space Dye Vest appears to be treated as the holy grail of DT songs by a large chunk of the fanbase.
I believe 6:00 was lower ranked in the last countdown, and I had it at number 1 (I didn't submit a list this time though). So it may have just gotten shafted!
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You know what has struck me in this countdown? For all the "musicianship!" and "18/7 time signatures!" and "metal vocals!", how many songs in their catalogue are just simply beautiful. BEAUTIFUL. "Wait For Sleep" is, to me, a beautiful song. As is "Peruvian Skies". As is "Beneath The Surface". As is "This Is The Life". There are too many bands I truly love, and yet I can't really pinpoint a song that the first word I think of is "beautiful".
Wait For Sleep is also fairly complex and interesting compositionally though. I'm always kind of in awe of how KM came up with all of the different chords and counterpoint and stuff. It's not so technical that a clumsy player like me can't pull it off with lots of practice, but the writing seems really sophisticated to me.
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Kevin Moore is a pretty sophisticated guy.
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I can't believe I forgot to include One Last Time on my list! 3 minutes of pure greatness.
Peruvian Skies (my # 50) I have the opportinty see it live in Rio de Janeiro almost 2 weeks before the album was released (along with Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breathe and Lines in the Sand). It already was one of my favorites from the then upcoming album.
Wait For Sleep (my # 99) is pure Kevin Moore's magic. In DT's case, I must admit that I have a bit of prejudice in ranking higher short ballads, but this song is amazingly beautiful.
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One Last Time - finally a song that cracked my top 20, I ranked this at 14. Just love the album and this song always had a bit of a magical quality to me.
Peruvian Skies - well this is a shock to me. My experience on this forum is a complete lack of love for FII so at this stage of the countdown I didn't expect this song to make it. I ranked this 53.
Wait For Sleep - just a really beautiful song. I thought this one might be higher and am surprised it is the first song from the album that we get. My rank 21.
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ReaperKK, care to comment? :biggrin:
I could comment...but I won't :lol
One of my favorite things about doing these countdowns is seeing all the predictions.
That's fair.
That being the case, I'm going to predict that I know the 43 songs that remain (078(1)285421121010). It's just a matter of what order.
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OLT came in at 73. Lovely piece and a nice breather after what came before it.
PS came in at 72. Probably should have been a little lower, but it's always a nice listen.
WFS came in at 41. In time this grew into a beautiful piece in its own right. I always treated it early on as the preface for LTL but in isolation, it's still fucking amazing.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77
76
75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
73 One Last Time
72 Peruvian Skies
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63 Panic Attack
62
61 On the Backs of Angels
60
59
58 Afterlife
57 Caught In A Web
56
55
54 The Great Debate
53 A Nightmare to Remember
52
51 Answering the Call
50
49
48 The Shattered Fortress
47
46
45
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43
42 Never Enough
41 Wait For Sleep
40
39
38
37 The Bigger Picture
36 Outcry
35
34 Lie
33
32 I Walk Beside You
31
30 A View From the Top of the World
29 Surrender to Reason
28 Bartsool Warrior
27
26
25
24
23
22
21
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18
17
16
15
14
13 These Walls
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2 This Dying Soul.
1
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46. One Last Time
Highest Finish: 8 (SwedishGoose)
Number of Lists appeared on: 57 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
44t. Peruvian Skies
Highest Finish: 8 (Vmadera00)
Number of Lists appeared on: 59 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
44t. Wait For Sleep
Highest Finish: 4 (WardySI)
Number of Lists appeared on: 59 (Adami, Animal, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had One Last Time at #70.
I like this and was really glad to see it live as part of the '09 tour.
I had Peruvian Skies at #33.
I have always loved Peruvian Skies and is part of my 3 song FII EP.
I had Wait For Sleep at #58.
Really nice piece.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 Transcending Time
95 Lie Behind The Veil
94 New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot
84
83
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78
77 A Nightmare To Remember
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72
71
70 One Last Time
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58 Wait For Sleep
57
56
55
54 Barstool Warrior
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46
45
44 Panic Attack
43
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39 A View From The Top Of The World
38
37 Fall Into The Light
36
35 The Gift Of Music
34
33 Peruvian Skies
32
31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20 This Dying Soul
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15
14 The Best Of Times
13
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10
9
8
7
6
5
4 The Killing Hand
3
2
1
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49t. A View From The Top Of The World (#99) I do dig this! Especially the secret agent latter part.
49t. A Nightmare To Remember (#98) Whaddaya know, it neighbored the View title track for me as well! I can't resist the "spooooky" intro, and do enjoy the main riff, the beautiful agony part... It might be too long for its own good (seems like a producer who would've suggested excising Beautiful Agony and turning it into a new song was nowhere to be found).
47t. Lie (#84) Definitely should've ranked higher, but it made my 100 when others I do enjoy didn't, so again, what a band. Would've automatically ranked higher if I could hear (and rank) Kevin Moore's vocal demo (I'm a sucker for his vocals).
47t. This Dying Soul (#58) A track that spoke more to 13-year-old Luis than it does to 32-year-old Luis, but it'll never stop making me happy (and rawwk).
46. One Last Time (#35) When I saw them in 2010, I was excited that they did Dance of Eternity, but when they did THIS one in full? Hell yeah.
44t. Peruvian Skies (#85) Unlike TDS, I started enjoying this one more as I grew older. Great writing!
44t. Wait For Sleep (NR) What a travesty that I didn't rank it, but alas. I figured it'd be safe in the hands of other voters :lol. Very beautiful, though the reprise in Learning to Live is definitely where it's at for me (though it wouldn't hit the same way if the prequel wasn't there, so I guess I just didn't give it its due).
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Disregard, I found Kev's thread.
I was sweating my #3 making the list. It is popular but has many detractors as well and won't make at least a few lists, but it did well last time around, I feel like my top 40 is largely in line with the rest of the forum here, except for one song that should rank high that wasn't on my list at all.
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So...at this point, my prediction is that we'll see no more songs from WDADU, TA and View.
None of the 3 remaining WDADU songs made the last countdown.
The highest ranked TA song on the last countdown was A New Beginning at #68, and it was #91 in this countdown.
View is a bit of an unknown since it wasn't part of the last countdown, but I have a hard time imagining the one remaining song being the highest ranked on the album.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Some other relatively tame prediction: the entirety of Images and Words will be featured, and so every song from Scenes from a Memory which isn't Regression or Through My Words. Awake might as well feature all songs but I have doubts about Space Dye Vest and 6:00. Six Degrees might feature all of disc 1 except Disappear.
(To add to Reapers amusement) I am basically certain that Awake, IaW and 6Degrees will be featured in their entirety. While Space Dye Vest will be left out from quite a few lists, it will rank extremely high on many (I have it in my Top 10 and I'd bet my ass I am not the highest ranker). I'm guessing it will be the 3rd or 4th most popular Awake song. And I agree with the prediction about Scenes - everything except the two "small" tracks will make the cut handily.
Actually, by now, I dare to say I am sure what the remaining 43 songs are. The trend I am seeing it this countdown is even stronger preference of the "golden era" (1993-2005, even though your mileage might vary in this regard)— MM era songs are dropping and Awake or ToT songs already ranking a lot higher than before. Which also shows that redoing this countdown was a worthwhile enterprise. Kudos to you, Reaper.
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50. A Nightmare to Remember (9). I thought it would be a toss-up on whether or not I was the highest ranker for this. Expecting it to be the only song I ranked the highest aside from my #1. Starting off, a gothic-sounding intro leads into some nice heavier verses. While the MP vocal section later on is pretty rightfully criticized, I really like the lyrics on this song. Especially during the next section which I usually just call "Beautiful Agony." It is one of my favourite things they have ever done. Wonderful vocals from James over some beautiful melodies. The chorus is just perfect. As for my thoughts on the MP vocal section....... it's ok, I actually like what's going on underneath the vocals. The vocals are not great, but it hardly ruins the song for me. It is less than a minute long in the grand scheme of things. The heavier style returns for the final section, and it finishes with the lovely piano line from the very beginning. This a great song, along with Count they do the heavy lifting for my enjoyment of Black Clouds.
49. A View from the Top of the World (18). Probably their least immediate epic, but every time I listen to this I enjoy it more. Could definitely see it in my top 10 in the future. They slowly set the atmosphere during the intro, then JP's guitar melody comes in shortly past 2.5 minutes and it is wonderful. After the first chorus which I enjoy, there is a really nice groove from JM which continues into the second verse. The middle section "Rapture of the Deep" is my favourite part of the song, featuring Jordan's Geoshred cello. This whole section which continues into the verses is just beautiful. All capped off by an excellent JP solo. The final section brings back the energy with an excellent instrumental section. The last couple minutes are not my favourite part, but it is a satisfying enough ending. Overall, I think this is an epic worthy of capping off this era of the band.
47t. Lie (Unranked). This would probably be in my top 110, I appreciate it as one of their first heavier songs.
47t. This Dying Soul (58). Some of the vocal sections do not work for me that much, but fortunately the main riff and instrumental sections are solid. Memorable chorus as well.
46. One Last Time (60). Takes a little bit to pick up, but I'm ok with that because of how the first part is reprised in Finally Free. Really, you can't go wrong with anything from Scenes.
44t. Peruvian Skies (51). The heavier stuff towards the end is nice, but I enjoy the more moody beginning section the most.
44t. Wait for Sleep (82). This is just a beautiful ballad. I would say that I wish it was longer but maybe it's better as is.
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Actually, by now, I dare to say I am sure what the remaining 43 songs are. The trend I am seeing it this countdown is even stronger preference of the "golden era" (1993-2005, even though your mileage might vary in this regard)— MM era songs are dropping and Awake or ToT songs already ranking a lot higher than before. Which also shows that redoing this countdown was a worthwhile enterprise. Kudos to you, Reaper.
Me too, out of all the songs I didn't rank, there's only one I imagine can be featured, so 22 songs from my list won't be there (21 are already out) and I have identified 21 of them. I'm still not sure which 22th song of mine will have to make way.
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A quick 3 before today's next ones are announced.
One Last Time was number 40 for me. What an emotionally beautiful piece and so integral to making Scenes From a Memory the flawless album it is. The melodies throughout this album are some of my favourites from DT. Just so perfect.
Peruvian Skies I had at #72. It's one of the better songs from FII, and a nice little ballad.
Wait for Sleep, like many, is the first I&W song to show up on my list at #66. It's fine for what it is, but it's place is basically secured because of the legendary album it features on.
My ranking so far:
11. A Nightmare To Remember
13. Wither
16. Panic Attack
18. The Dark Eternal Night
20. Never Enough
21. The Ministry of Lost Souls
23. Sacrificed Sons
27. The Best of Times
28. These Walls
29. Constant Motion
30. A New Beginning
31. The Shattered Fortress
35. The Enemy Inside
36. I Walk Beside You
40. One Last Time
44. Through Her Eyes
45. The Looking Glass
49. Forsaken
55. Behind the Veil
56. On the Backs of Angels
57. The Bigger Picture
62. Surrender to Reason
64. Fall Into the Light
65. The Great Debate
66. Wait For Sleep
69. Ytse Jam
72. Peruvian Skies
73. Honor Thy Father
75. Lie
76. This Dying Soul
77. A View from the Top of the World
80. To Live Forever
82. Barstool Warrior
83. This is the Life
84. Lost Not Forgotten
86. Our New World
91. Caught In a Web
93. Hollow Years
96. Beneath the Surface
99. Pale Blue Dot
100. New Millennium
Not ranked:
101. Outcry
104. Hell's Kitchen
109. Vacant
110. The Silent Man
111. Raise The Knife
112. Only a Matter of Time
113. Afterlife
114. A Fortune in Lies
115. The Killing Hand
119. Sleeping Giant
121. Awaken the Master
122. Answering the Call
123. Transcending Time
124. The Alien
125. S2N
140. The Gift of Music
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No ties today, but Cool Chris was worried about Disappear not making the list so I took out Blind Faith and put in Disappear...
43. As I Am
Highest Finish: 5 (lightningbolt)
Number of Lists appeared on: 59 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Good rocking tune from ToT. I remember hearing this for the first time and I immediately thought "I hope ToT is as heavy as this", I was not disappointed.
42. Innocence Faded
Highest Finish: 7 (Adami)
Number of Lists appeared on: 59 (Adami, Animal, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
This used to be an automatic skip for me along with Surrounded but over the years the song really grew on me. I think seeing it live finally made me appreciate it more.
41. Disappear
Highest Finish: 3 (Cool Chris)
Number of Lists appeared on: 57 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dittomist, Dream Team, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I always thought this song was a little strange. While it's fairly short it didn't really pull me in, it felt more like a transitional track than anything else.
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I’ve noticed that except for one song, something like the last 30 have all had a top 1-9 personal ranking. Speaks to the variety and quality of the library.
The one was Outcry which had a top 20.
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DTF Me
52. Barstool Warrior 39. One of the latter-day gems.
51. Caught In A Web 65. Nostalgic tune.
50. A Nightmare To Remember 82. The good bits don't outweigh the cringe.
49. A View From The Top Of The World 72. Grower, but not quite a favorite yet.
47t. Lie 28. :metal
47t. This Dying Soul 44. DT metal done well.
46. One Last Time 22. Many memorable JLB moments.
44t. Peruvian Skies 29. Poor Vanessa
44t. Wait For Sleep DNR Lovely piano melody, but ultimately not my thing.
43. As I Am 25. I dig the whole vibe of this one. JP rips it up and shits down its neck.
42. Innocence Faded 48. The smooth is strong with this one
41. Disappear 4. Every moment is a treasure. JLB is the star. When I'm in the mood to listen to DT, this is often the first song I think of.
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43. As I Am
Highest Finish: 5 (lightningbolt)
Number of Lists appeared on: 59
42. Innocence Faded
Highest Finish: 7 (Adami)
Number of Lists appeared on: 59
41. Disappear
Highest Finish: 3 (Cool Chris)
Number of Lists appeared on: 57
As I am: #91 I look at this track the same way I look at my Metallica fandom, as a gateway. Loved this track when I first discovered the band and it helped in making me a fan of their music, but as I discovered more of their stuff the song dropped off my radar.
Innocence Faded: #28 This seems a bit high to me, and seeing the songs surrounding it on my list, I think I should've dropped it a bit more. It's a great song, with a really fun guitar solo.
Disappear: #22 Love this song. A really emotional performance by JLB here. The ending is :hefdaddy
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43 As I Am - I have it a little lower than the consensus, at # 52, but I like this one a lot. Good solid rocker, and it really kicks ass live.
42 Innocence Faded - Again, a bit lower than the consensus (which surprises me, because I thought I liked this one more than most other people) at # 50. Great, great song, with nearly impossible to sing vocal passages, and the ending instrumental section really displays the influence of Steve Morse and the Dixie Dregs on JP. Great to see this live at the SCORE show in 2006.
41 Disappear - Great, great song. I had it at # 22. Nothing else quite like it in DT's oeuvre. I wish they would visit this headspace more often when writing.
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43. As I Am
32 for me, 11 positions higher. Not their best heavy song, but it's a damn fine catchy and badass tune. Live it's always a blast.
42. Innocence Faded
24 for me, which places it a whopping 18 positions higher than the average. Another great song from a masterpiece, I love the more uplifting feel, the insane vocals and all around the mood of the song. Awesome track.
41. Disappear
35 for me, just 6 positions higher than the average. On any other day it could probably crack the top 30. One of their most unique songs, heartfelt lyrics (I was surprised that James imagined the story, I was so sure that he was talking about his mother), and a haunting and delicate beauty. Truly a gem in DT's catalogue.
So far all is in line with my predictions, the possibly last song that I didn't rank but I know has to be there still has to come out. I'm losing hope for another passionate slow song from the Mangini era but hey, at least Disappear got it, congrats to those who have it in their top ten!
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As I Am ranked at 73. Quite a cool rocking tune but ultimately not exactly what I want from DT.
Innocence Faded ranked at 38. Now this is more my DT.... cool arrangements and a song that breathes.
Disappear did not rank. Wow..... how did this happen? How could Disappear disappear? Should have made the cut with some 30 spaces to go.....
My ranking so far
8 One Last Time (46)
19 The Silent Man (66)
21 Caught In a Web (51)
27 Wait For Sleep (44t)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
37 Our New World (93)
38 Innocence Faded (42)
41 A View from the Top of the World (49t)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
47 Lie (47t)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
73 As I Am (43)
75 The Alien (69)
77 A Nightmare To Remember (49t)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
86 Peruvian Skies (44t)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Highest ranker of
8 One Last Time (46)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52), This Dying Soul (47t), Disappear (41)
Rated: 32
Not rated: 28
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
155. Hell's Kitchen
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
146. Disappear. Never quite connected with this one.
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
142. Ytsejam
139. Panic Attack
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
132. Barstool Warrior
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
109. Outcry
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
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97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
95. The Great Debate
90. On The Backs Of Angels
85. Constant Motion
84. Beneath The Surface
82. Peruvian Skies
80. The Enemy Inside
78. Hollow Years
76. The Shattered Fortress
73. Lie
68. A Nightmare To Remember
67. The Silent Man
62. As I Am
61. These Walls
59. The Gift of Music
57. The Bigger Picture
56. One Last Time
55. Pale Blue Dot
54. Answering The Call
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
46. A New Beginning
44. Forsaken
43. A View From The Top Of The World
41. The Looking Glass
40. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
36. New Millenium
34. Wait For Sleep
33. Transcending Time
31. The Best Of Times
28. Our New World
25. Raise The Knife
23. I Walk Beside You
21. Sacrificed Sons
19. Caught In A Web
14. To Live Forever
9. Innocence Faded. A song with deep historical roots. I loved this song when I first heard it, and I love it now just as much.
7. This Dying Soul
5. This Is The Life
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43. As I Am
Highest Finish: 5 (lightningbolt)
Number of Lists appeared on: 59 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
42. Innocence Faded
Highest Finish: 7 (Adami)
Number of Lists appeared on: 59 (Adami, Animal, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
41. Disappear
Highest Finish: 3 (Cool Chris)
Number of Lists appeared on: 57 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, Dittomist, Dream Team, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had As I Am as Not Rated.
I like the intro, but after that, I really don't care for As I Am. To me, there's nothing Dream Theaterable about it. It's kind of a lame song by any band really.
I had Innocence Faded at #43
When I got Awake, I always started it at Erotomania. I thought the first three songs were useless, except for the Innocence Faded outro. That said, Innocence faded has aged as well as any song in their catalog for me. Might be James' finest moment.
I had Disappear at #7.
A phenomenal and moving track. This actually climbed a couple of spots since the last ranking.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 Transcending Time
95 Lie Behind The Veil
94 New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot As I Am
84
83
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78
77 A Nightmare To Remember
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72
71
70 One Last Time
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58 Wait For Sleep
57
56
55
54 Barstool Warrior
53
52
51
50
49
48
47
46
45
44 Panic Attack
43 Innocence Faded
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39 A View From The Top Of The World
38
37 Fall Into The Light
36
35 The Gift Of Music
34
33 Peruvian Skies
32
31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20 This Dying Soul
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15
14 The Best Of Times
13
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10
9
8
7 Disappear
6
5
4 The Killing Hand
3
2
1
44 -16
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As I am (80) The same like HTF or TDS - great as a part of ToT album experience (IMO, DT did dark/heavy best on Awake, but over the years, I have come to really like ToT and I think they came pretty close). I just do not seek it out on its own.
Innocence Faded (23) Awake is my favorite DT album and this was one of my early favorites. Fun fact: Even James considers his studio performance in this song to be his "Freddie moment".
Disappear (42) One of the many reasons why, after initial dislike, I came to really appreciate Six Degrees as one of the band's masterpieces
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As I Am: didn't make the cut. I love 492 things in DT and I dislike 4. This song miraculously manages to feature all of the latter and none of the former.
Innocence Faded: 70. Proof that epic has nothing to do with length. Now I need my wife to buy the concept ...
Disappear: 23. Only two other bands I know could have come up with such a song: The Beatles and Pink Floyd.
The Score so far:
21 - A New Beginning
23 - Disappear
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
43 - One Last Time
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
54 - Peruvian Skies
56 - The Bigger Picture
61 - Wait for Sleep
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
70 - Innocence Faded
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
78 - Lie
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
92 - The Killing Hand
95 - Barstool Warrior
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 31
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As I Am was a real grin and bear it moment for me as a fan. Why is my favorite band writing cheesy Metallica pastiches? Granted these had become more prevalent dating back to Peruvian Skies, but this one was kind of all out without any other more traditional DT/prog elements. I sort of liked it anyway at the time, but it’s one I never listen to anymore.
Innocence Faded is one that has grown on me with time. It just seems to get better and better. Such a vibrant track with a great performance from James and John.
Disappear is a song that has never worked on any level for me. A SDV rehash but way less enjoyable.
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As I am was my #77. It's not the most original song melodically or even in terms of riffs, but boy, is it powerful. :metal
Innocence faded was my #25. It's right behind Caught in a web in terms of being the best Dream Theater song shorter than six minutes. LaBrie is brilliant on it.
Disappear was my #32. There was a time when I would put it even in my top ten, but it dropped slightly over the years. I still love it, though.
What a killer update, it will pretty much all be amazing stuff from now on.
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43. As I Am
46 for me (pretty close!). Boy am I glad Mike Stone tried to give JP guitar tips :lol I still remember how juicy this sounded to me when I got the album (and still does). Very memorable JP solo as well. Now I hope they don't ever mash it up with Enter Sandman again :\
42. Innocence Faded
31 for me. Beautiful. It's from Awake, what did you expect?
41. Disappear
34 for me. Such an exciting track to discover (even though it's all moody and gloomy, I mean, I dig that).
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(To add to Reapers amusement) I am basically certain that Awake, IaW and 6Degrees will be featured in their entirety. While Space Dye Vest will be left out from quite a few lists, it will rank extremely high on many (I have it in my Top 10 and I'd bet my ass I am not the highest ranker). I'm guessing it will be the 3rd or 4th most popular Awake song. And I agree with the prediction about Scenes - everything except the two "small" tracks will make the cut handily.
I won't go so far as to give the album-by-album breakdown of the remaining 43 (I haven't yet looked at the already revealed 41-43), but I&W, Awake, SDOIT and TOT will have all of their songs in the top 100 (as was the case in the prior countdown). Space-Dye Vest ranked at #21 in the prior countdown and was the 4th highest ranked song from Awake.
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As I am - 82
Innocence Faded - 21
Disappear - 34
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43. As I Am
42. Innocence Faded
41. Disappear
As I Am is solid. I had it pretty close to the consensus at #49. It came in at #71 in the prior countdown, so it got a HUGE bump this time - 28 places is the biggest jump of any song so far (conversely, Fall into the Light had the biggest drop - from 43 to 72).
Innocence Faded is an odd duck for me. I ranked it at #87. It's got some good parts, but the chorus just does nothing for me. It came in at #57 in the prior countdown, so a nice 15 place bum this time.
I used to rank Disappear in the junk drawer with The Great Debate. I still usually skip it, but now I only think it's boring. Did not rank. Somehow, it came in at #31 in the prior countdown.
List Not Ranked
100 This Dying Soul (47T) Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall into the Light (72), Honor Thy Father (71), Raise the Knife (65), Peruvian Skies (44T), Disappear (41)
98
97 This Is the Life (88)
96
95
94
93
92 The Ministry of Lost Souls (61)
91
90
89
88
87 Innocence Faded (42)
86 Lie (47T)
85
84 Forsaken (95)
83
82
81
80
79 Vacant (97)
78 Wait for Sleep (44T)
77 The Silent Man (66)
76
75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
74
73 A Nightmare to Remember (50)
72
71
70
69
68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
67 The Dark Eternal Night (70)
66 Pale Blue Dot (62)
65 Transcending Time (90)
64
63
62
61 Beneath the Surface (64)
60 Hell's Kitchen (57)
59 Afterlife (96)
58
57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
56
55 The Alien (69)
54
53 The Bigger Picture (60)
52
51
50
49 As I Am (43)
48 A View from the Top of the World (49)
47
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45
44 On the Backs of Angels (56)
43 Ytse Jam (67)
42 One Last Time (46)
41 Through Her Eyes (74)
40
39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
38 Hollow Years (59)
37
36
35
34
33 Outcry (33)
32
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30
29
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26
25
24
23
22
21
20
19 Sacrificed Sons (63)
18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
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15 The Killing Hand (68)
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41 Disappear - Great, great song. I had it at # 22. Nothing else quite like it in DT's oeuvre. I wish they would visit this headspace more often when writing.
Yes! And I'd much rather they were in this headspace more often than their saccharine ballad territory.
I also love Misunderstood.
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2/3. AiA didn't make it, not what I enjoy most about the band. Innocence Faded and especially Disappear are pretty great; as Stads pointed out last page this is what separates Dream Theater from the hordes of wannabees, writing a piece like Disappear on the same album as TGP and BF.
5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
9 The Great Debate
11 Outcry
16 One Last Time
20 Lost Not Forgotten
22 A View From the Top of the World
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
28 Fall Into the Light
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
33 Disappear
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
48 A Fortune in Lies
52 Barstool Warrior
51 Our New World
54 Wither
55 The Alien
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
59 Innocence Faded
61 I Walk Beside You
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
65 Wait for Sleep
66 The Bigger Picture
67 A Nightmare to Remember
68 Sleeping Giant
70 The Ministry of Lost Souls
75 Panic Attack
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
95 On the Backs of Angels
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen, These Walls, Caught in a Web, Lie, This Dying Soul, Peruvian Skies, As I Am
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time, Outcry
Looks like my 23,34,43,45,50 aren't making the top 100.
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Not my favourite batch but they all made it.
As I Am - #61 - that's a metal song alright. At least this is better than The Dying Soul. :)
Innocence Faded - #90 - as I said, the first three Awake tracks don't do much for me. The "something something God it's Sunday" bridge is fairly good though.
Disappear - #69 - a solid ballad and I should like it more on paper, but somehow I don't. Maybe because I don't listen to SDOIT often.
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Since Hollow Years from Budokan was the first Dream Theater song I ever heard, the As I Am intro was that dvd-intro that was constantly on the background, while my friend was talking me into this fenomenal band. And that intro is carved in my head forever.
I love Train of Thought and As I Am is the perfect opener for some rough metal to come.
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
091: Caught In a Web 40
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
080: Wait for Sleep 36
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
074: Sacrified Sons 9
069: Innocence Faded 27
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
063: Disappear 22
062: Peruvian Skies 18
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
056: A Nightmare to Remember 6
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
050: Wither 49
048: Transcending Time 42
046: Barstool Warrior 6
044: Ytse Jam 23
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
037: The Bigger Picture 23
034: As I Am 9
029: Awaken the Master 52
027: Honor Thy Father 44
025: Lie 22
024: One Last Time 22
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
014: This Dying Soul 33
010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
007: A View From the Top of the World 42
not rankend: 9 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night
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Wait For Sleep - Amazingly beautiful. If I could play the piano, that's a song I'd love to be able to play. I had it at #12.
When I was 18 I applied for Conservatory and I played this song for my application exam. I got a total blackout and failed.. I practiced my ass off, didn't sleep the night before.. but that song is not easy to play, lol.
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Wait For Sleep - Amazingly beautiful. If I could play the piano, that's a song I'd love to be able to play. I had it at #12.
When I was 18 I applied for Conservatory and I played this song for my application exam. I got a total blackout and failed.. I practiced my ass off, didn't sleep the night before.. but that song is not easy to play, lol.
So you were........ waiting for sleep?
:yarr
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Wait For Sleep - Amazingly beautiful. If I could play the piano, that's a song I'd love to be able to play. I had it at #12.
When I was 18 I applied for Conservatory and I played this song for my application exam. I got a total blackout and failed.. I practiced my ass off, didn't sleep the night before.. but that song is not easy to play, lol.
So you were........ waiting for sleep?
:yarr
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43. As I Am (#31) headbangers’ delight at concerts
42. Innocence Faded (NR) no hate, just my weak link of the album
41. Disappear (NR) another oversight. I grew up watching many a ‘Dark Shadows’ episode, so I can't escape the theme song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSbCqp_a3iE
41/60 ***
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Disappear is so unlike DT's usual style, really one of the most unique pieces they have. Six Degrees disc 1 had those weird production quirks that you usually might encounter on a Radiohead record.
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As I Am - I ranked this at 25.This song used to easily be my least favourite on the album but it has grown on me over time.
Innocence Faded - A good song on a great album. My rank 60.
Disappear - I think up above in the thread somewhere there was some talk of this song not making it? Just a really great track and happy to see it here, my rank 34.
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49t. A View From The Top Of The World (NR) I gave this song 5 chances and I was never impressed. I do intend to give it more chances, maybe it'll click one day.
49t. A Nightmare To Remember (68th) Much of this song is pretty good, and then Beautiful Agony is many tiers above it. It's too long, though.
47t. Lie (72nd) Really cool song, maybe should be higher for me, and the instrumental rocks.
47t. This Dying Soul (34th) The moment that riff hits and the band comes in...come on! So good! Lots to like, a great part of the 12SS.
46. One Last Time (74th) Yeah, not a SFAM fan. I do plan to give it a spin to see if it finally clicks. Maybe!
44t. Peruvian Skies (95th) Meh, it's aight.
44t. Wait For Sleep (37th) Just beautiful, I still remember the first time hearing it. Really impressed then and just as much now.
43. As I Am (15th) I LOVE this song and I am pretty surprised it is this low. One of my first DT songs so maybe I am biased. The prechorus is one of the coolest parts and the chorus is really cool. The guitar solo ending on chords ringing out is such a little twist.
42. Innocence Faded (16th) This song has grown tremendously on me. It all flows so well, and the instrumental is killer.
41. Disappear (39th) Great song, I don't often go to listen but it's always a great and sad song.
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Didn't send in a list but if I did I'd put Disappear on 1 with no hesitation. It might not be a 20min epic but it's easily their most moving song for me.
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43. As I Am - 5 - Hey, a highest rated one for me! I'm a bit surprised, but to each their own. This is one of the songs that hooked me right when I first became a fan and I still love it. Feels epic without being out of control (by DT's standards). Along with the music, I dig the lyrics.
42. Innocence Faded - 78 - Decent, but not a favorite.
41. Disappear - 84 - See above.
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AIA came in at 46 for me. I was surprised it came in top 50 but it's just a cool ballsy song I've always enjoyed. Loved the insane shred here from JP too.
IF came in at 24. Just a phenomenal, amazing and beautiful track.
Disappear came in at 92. It's a fine song, I think I just like 91 other songs more.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 Disappear The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77
76
75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
73 One Last Time
72 Peruvian Skies
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63 Panic Attack
62
61 On the Backs of Angels
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59
58 Afterlife
57 Caught In A Web
56
55
54 The Great Debate
53 A Nightmare to Remember
52
51 Answering the Call
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49
48 The Shattered Fortress
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46 As I Am
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44 The Dark Eternal Night
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42 Never Enough
41 Wait For Sleep
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39
38
37 The Bigger Picture
36 Outcry
35
34 Lie
33
32 I Walk Beside You
31
30 A View From the Top of the World
29 Surrender to Reason
28 Bartsool Warrior
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26
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24 Innocence Faded
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22
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20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
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13 These Walls
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2 This Dying Soul.
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50. A Nightmare To Remember NR Moderately excited for this album after SC had a few misses for me. The whole “a good x minute long song in a [x+(x*.6)] minutes” aspect that many DT songs have is nowhere better exemplified than here.
49. A View From The Top Of The World 39 Surprised the ranker put it this high. Probably should have lowered it manually. IT left a sour taste in my mouth for their 20+ epics. This song restored my faith.
47t. Lie 35
47t. This Dying Soul NR
46. One Last Time 55
44t. Peruvian Skies 80
44t. Wait For Sleep 46
43. As I Am 53 First heard this on the radio driving. Odd that I remember that. I didn't know they had a new album out. Made a point to do that at my earliest possible convenience.
42. Innocence Faded 14
41. Disappear 3 Could have swapped this out with my #2. This is a brilliant song. I wouldn't want them to record a whole album of songs like this, but it is masterfully placed at the end of SToiT disc 1, which is where I stop listening.
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Time to catch up!
A Nightmare to Remember- I was just off, having this at #56 on my list. The Beautiful Agony section is S tier Dream Theater, and while the rest of the song doesn't measure up to the quality of that, I'm not as down on it as some others.
A View from the Top of the World- Not rated. I usually love DT epics, and I was excited for the last album given how much I enjoyed DoT. That made it all the more sad when the record dropped and the title track did not a damn thing for me. Not even in consideration for the top 100.
This Dying Soul- I had this a bit further down at #90. Not a bad song, and the unison at the end is sick, but it's overall a bit bloated and overstays its welcome.
Lie- Right in the ballpark at #44. The main riff is heavy, the drums have groove, the solo rips, and JLB shines. Not much more you can ask for from this one.
One Last Time- I was just a smidge low at #67. A nice song that slots in well to an incredible album. Also, I *love* the reprise of this in Finally Free.
Peruvian Skies- I was surprised when I checked my list and had this all the way up at #25. It's a good rocking song though, with an underrated Petrucci solo. I also love when they have some fun with this live and splice in some Metallica.
Wait For Sleep- Almost nailed this one, #47 on my list. Just a stunning little piece with beautifully poetic lyrics. It stands apart in DT's catalog.
As I Am- Clocked in at #58 for me. It may benefit from being shorter than most of the other songs on Train of Thought, and the lyrics can be a bit childish, but JP and MP beast out all over this track.
Innocence Faded- I put this song at #36. Originally it was kind of a throwaway track on Awake for me, but as Hef mentioned, it was great seeing it live at the Score show and that really helped me connect with this song in a way I hadn't previously. And yeah, killer outro.
Disappear- Not rated, and this one feels like an oversight on my part. It's very well done, just a song I'm not often in the mood to listen to when I'm spinning DT.
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43. As I Am (70). This sets the tone well for the album, it's also very catchy and energetic.
42. Innocence Faded (Unranked). I don't listen to this outside of the album. It's cool that it's a more brighter sounding song on a darker sounding album though.
41. Disappear (33). I love Vacant, and this is almost an extended version of that song. Very haunting and beautiful sounds here. It reaches more of a climax at the end which helps it stand out more on its own.
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As I am #26
Innocence Faded #18
Disappear #52
Hectic week so catching up a little, and can I just say Stadler was spot on! Beautiful best describes so many DT songs and as so many of you have already agreed, Wait For Sleep is exactly that. Beautiful. And I knew it would rank high for me although wasn't expecting it to be at #4 but I'll take it!
Well deserved, what a song :heart
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Baby Friday update!
40. Erotomania
Highest Finish: 5 (KevShmev)
Number of Lists appeared on: 59 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I love this song, one of my favorite DT instrumentals. This song always reminds me of my mom. When I was 15 I got my first guitar after wanting one for years, a few months into playing I tried to learn this song. I got about as far the opening riff, and even that was horrendous but I played it over and over, full volume out of my little amp. Years later after I moved out I was visiting home, I was driving with my mp3 player going and this song came on with my mom in the passenger seat. She says to me "Oh I know this song", I said "really?" she is like "yeah, I've heard you play it non-stop when you lived at home". It dawned on me that I never considered she may not appreciate my sweet JP riffs at full blast in our tiny 2 bedroom apartment. Anyway, she then followed up saying while it was not the preferred noise she wanted to hear in the house she was just happy that I was doing something I love.
39. Stream Of Consciousness
Highest Finish: 2 (Podaar)
Number of Lists appeared on: 58 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Another instrumental! This one was one point ahead of Erotomania. I'm a big fan of this one too.
38. Another Day (tied with Zydar)
Highest Finish: 3 (Zydar)
Number of Lists appeared on: 63 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Just three users shy of being on everyone's list! I really loved this song when I first heard it, and it's held up pretty good through the years but recently it has started to sound a bit more dated to my years.
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38. Zydar
Highest Finish: 3 (Zydar)
Number of Lists appeared on: 63 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Just three users shy of being on everyone's list! I really loved this song when I first heard it, and it's held up pretty good through the years but recently it has started to sound a bit more dated to my years.
Wow, go Zydar! In at number 38! Although you only rated yourself at number three. Disappointing.
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I forgot to rank Zydar :-\
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I’ve always loved Zydar. Glad I’m not alone.
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38. Zydar
Highest Finish: 3 (Zydar)
Number of Lists appeared on: 63 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Just three users shy of being on everyone's list! I really loved this song when I first heard it, and it's held up pretty good through the years but recently it has started to sound a bit more dated to my years.
How is this not #1? We messed up. Best song they ever made.
Also, are you calling Zydar old? Rude :lol
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40. Erotomania: NR.
39. Stream of Consciousness: #4. I thought I would be the highest ranker for this one, but :clap: Podaar. Love this piece. I even wrote an analysis essay during college about it (I wish I still had that paper).
#38: Another Day: #65. Yeah I agree. It sounds a bit dated to my ears as well. It's find and the solo is great, but not something to seek very often.
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:lol sorry guys! It's still early
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Rank - Song - my rank
40 - Erotomania - 38 - one of my favorite instrumentals, and love it even more in the context of the album. The first DT song I tried to learn on guitar, got a decent way through but was never going to be talented enough/able to spend the required time on the solos . . .
39 - Stream of Consciousness - 53 - another favorite, really got into this one all over again preparing for the countdown
38 - Another Day - 35 - one of my favorite JLB performances, great song on a great album
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40. Erotomania
While I have nothing against instrumentals, my personal preference for full songs with vocals will put them at a disadvantage. Praise Erotomania all you want, I won't stop you, it's wickedly cool how the themes of Awake are interpolated in the songs, but it finished "only" at 71, 31 positions lower.
39. Steam Of Consciousness
Yeah, about that "instrumentals are not doing generally well with me"... this song didn't rank for me. Gasp! I do like it, I strongly appreciated the mood and how it has a main riff and it's not mindless wankery, it brilliantly fits the dark atmospheres of Train of Thought.
However, this song ranked only 119 for me, way below the 100th mark. Dunno why, I like the song, but I trusted the ranker. Maybe next time around it will find its place in the top 100, the song is cool as I said.
And for the record - here it is. The song I didn't rank, but I KNEW would be there. Now I predict that all the remaining songs will be in my list as well, and that the 22 songs from my list that won't be there are all accounted for. I guess I can put to rest the hope that a slow song from the Mangini era will be there by now....
38. Another Day
Awesome song from a masterpiece album. Nothing much to add, we all know the song, it perfectly encapsules the contrast of the more mellow pieces of I&W with the more intricate and longer songs. Finished 47 for me, 9 positions lower, the competition is tough.
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Aw shucks, guys. Thanks for the love :heart
And yeah, Another Day is pure brilliance from start to finish.
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38. Zydar
Highest Finish: 3 (Zydar)
Number of Lists appeared on: 63 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Just three users shy of being on everyone's list! I really loved this song when I first heard it, and it's held up pretty good through the years but recently it has started to sound a bit more dated to my years.
Wow, go Zydar! In at number 38! Although you only rated yourself at number three. Disappointing.
He's a humble man. It's why we love him. Well, that and the gifs.
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
155. Hell's Kitchen
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
146. Disappear
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
142. Ytsejam
139. Panic Attack
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
132. Barstool Warrior
125. Stream Of Consciousness
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
109. Outcry
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
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98. Another Day
97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
95. The Great Debate
90. On The Backs Of Angels
85. Constant Motion
84. Beneath The Surface
82. Peruvian Skies
80. The Enemy Inside
78. Hollow Years
76. The Shattered Fortress
73. Lie
68. A Nightmare To Remember
67. The Silent Man
62. As I Am
61. These Walls
59. The Gift of Music
57. The Bigger Picture
56. One Last Time
55. Pale Blue Dot
54. Answering The Call
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
46. A New Beginning
44. Forsaken
43. A View From The Top Of The World
41. The Looking Glass
40. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
36. New Millenium
34. Wait For Sleep
33. Transcending Time
31. The Best Of Times
30. Erotomania
28. Our New World
25. Raise The Knife
23. I Walk Beside You
21. Sacrificed Sons
19. Caught In A Web
14. To Live Forever
9. Innocence Faded
7. This Dying Soul
5. This Is The Life
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Erotomania was my #45. Their third best instrumental.
Scream of consciousness was my #24. Their second best instrumental.
Another day is my #74. If I had to pick my least favorite song on Images and words, it would be this one. And I still love it.
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40 Erotomania - I have loved this one since the first time I heard it, all those years ago. I had it at # 26.
39 Stream of Consciousness - Wow, everyone else apparently likes this more than I do, since it clocked in at # 93 for me lol. I do like it, but its repetitive nature makes it stand out in the wrong way for me. I like it when I'm listening to it, but I am rarely in the mood to listen to it.
38 Another Day - A DT classic. I had it at # 54. Almost impossible to sing.
Hey, 35 of my top 50 are still in play for the top 39! Of course, I'm pretty sure that some won't scratch this list.
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Erotomania: 31. An instrumental with a lot of singing. Not sung by voice, but still.
Stream of Consciousness: 14. A near perfect instrumental journey. The evolutionary Orion.
Another Day: 42. Is there a more fun ballad to play on a guitar? Plus, it contains my favourite DT fragment of lyrics: better to save the mystery than surrender to the secret.
Zydar: 1. Forum treasure.
The Score so far:
14 - Stream of Consciousness
21 - A New Beginning
23 - Disappear
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
31 - Erotomania
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
42 - Another Day
43 - One Last Time
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
54 - Peruvian Skies
56 - The Bigger Picture
61 - Wait for Sleep
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
70 - Innocence Faded
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
78 - Lie
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
92 - The Killing Hand
95 - Barstool Warrior
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 31
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Erotomania is a song that I've always kind of taken for granted. There's nothing wrong with it, it just kind of meanders a bit and doesn't have a big impact on me when I hear it. It's nice for what it is, but isn't my favorite moment on Awake.
Stream of Consciousness on the other hand is the main redeeming quality to Train of Thought. One of their top instrumental tracks for sure.
Even though Caught in a Web was the first DT song I remember hearing, Another Day is the first DT song that totally blew me away. My dad was a bit of a "smooth jazz" nut, so I heard a lot of that sort of music growing up and was always somewhat dismissive of it. This was a metal power ballad with a smooth jazz sax break. That kind of blew my mind. I loved it and still do. Great vocal performance, great solo, great sax.
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Erotomania - not ranked - just missed out my top 100. Not a big fan, and didn't expect it to appear once we were in Top 50.
Stream of Consciousness - #16 - absolutely amazing instrumental, my favourite from DT. Just glorious.
Another Day - #22 - this is a bit too low I think. This song once was in my Top 3, nowadays I'd say it should be around the 15th place. Still an amazing song.
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Erotomania ranked at 48 for me. Very nice instrumental from a great album.
Stream of Consciousness at 62 in my ranking. Another nice instrumental. Middle of the road for DT.
Another Day..... now we are talking! My highest ranking so far at 6. Beautiful song with amazing vocals and saxophone....oh and that guitar... sending shivers down my spine.... You won't find it here......
My ranking so far
6 Another Day (38)
8 One Last Time (46)
19 The Silent Man (66)
21 Caught In a Web (51)
27 Wait For Sleep (44t)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
37 Our New World (93)
38 Innocence Faded (42)
41 A View from the Top of the World (49t)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
47 Lie (47t)
48 Erotomania (40)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
62 Stream of Consciousness (39)
73 As I Am (43)
75 The Alien (69)
77 A Nightmare To Remember (49t)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
86 Peruvian Skies (44t)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Highest ranker of
8 One Last Time (46)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52), This Dying Soul (47t), Disappear (41)
Rated: 35
Not rated: 28
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40. Erotomania
39. Steam Of Consciousness
38. Another Day (tied with Zydar)
I like Erotomania, but there's something that keeps it from being up at the top of my favorite instrumentals list. I had it at #82. It finished at #52 in the prior countdown, so a decent jump this time.
Stream of Consciousness, on the other hand, is to DT what La Villas Strangiato is to Rush. It's not just their best instrumental; it fights with "regular" songs for the uppermost echelons of the catalog. I ranked LVS at #12 in the Rush countdown and had Stream at #11, so I'm disappointed that it's this low. However, 39 is a jump from last time, where the song placed at #50.
I really liked Another Day when I first heard I&W, but now, it's just another song. I had it at #88. It finished at #44 in the prior countdown, so it got a slight bump.
List Not Ranked
100 This Dying Soul (47T) Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall into the Light (72), Honor Thy Father (71), Raise the Knife (65), Peruvian Skies (44T), Disappear (41)
98
97 This Is the Life (88)
96
95
94
93
92 The Ministry of Lost Souls (61)
91
90
89
88 Another Day (38)
87 Innocence Faded (42)
86 Lie (47T)
85
84 Forsaken (95)
83
82 Erotomania (40)
81
80
79 Vacant (97)
78 Wait for Sleep (44T)
77 The Silent Man (66)
76
75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
74
73 A Nightmare to Remember (50)
72
71
70
69
68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
67 The Dark Eternal Night (70)
66 Pale Blue Dot (62)
65 Transcending Time (90)
64
63
62
61 Beneath the Surface (64)
60 Hell's Kitchen (57)
59 Afterlife (96)
58
57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
56
55 The Alien (69)
54
53 The Bigger Picture (60)
52
51
50
49 As I Am (43)
48 A View from the Top of the World (49)
47
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45
44 On the Backs of Angels (56)
43 Ytse Jam (67)
42 One Last Time (46)
41 Through Her Eyes (74)
40
39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
38 Hollow Years (59)
37
36
35
34
33 Outcry (33)
32
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30
29
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26
25
24
23
22
21
20
19 Sacrificed Sons (63)
18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
16
15 The Killing Hand (68)
14
13
12
11 Stream of Consciousness (39)
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
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'Zydar' and 'Steam' ....somehow both fit for some odd reason ;)
Karolis, you need more coffee in the AM.....
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Stream of Consciousness, on the other hand, is to DT what La Villas Strangiato is to Rush.
As someone who ranked LVS as their number one Rush song not too long ago, I'm not sure I can agree with this. "Erotomania" is my highest ranking instrumental, but "The Dance Of Eternity" is in close proximity. "Stream Of Consciousness" didn't even make my top 100.
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The 2 instrumentals didn't make the top 100 but Erotomania had the best chance for sure. The opening and closing riff kinda drags but that melodic section foreshadowing TSM is great. If the whole song was like that it would rank a lot higher. SoC is too long for me and their lowest ranked instrumental. Another Day is my lowest I&W song but could certainly rank higher; I didn't rework it after the ranker spit it out.
5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
9 The Great Debate
11 Outcry
16 One Last Time
20 Lost Not Forgotten
22 A View From the Top of the World
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
28 Fall Into the Light
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
33 Disappear
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
48 A Fortune in Lies
52 Barstool Warrior
51 Our New World
54 Wither
55 The Alien
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
59 Innocence Faded
61 I Walk Beside You
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
65 Wait for Sleep
66 The Bigger Picture
67 A Nightmare to Remember
68 Sleeping Giant
70 The Ministry of Lost Souls
75 Panic Attack
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
93 Another Day
95 On the Backs of Angels
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen, These Walls, Caught in a Web, Lie, This Dying Soul, Peruvian Skies, As I Am, Erotomania, Stream of Consciousness
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time, Outcry
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Stream of Consciousness, on the other hand, is to DT what La Villas Strangiato is to Rush.
As someone who ranked LVS as their number one Rush song not too long ago, I'm not sure I can agree with this. "Erotomania" is my highest ranking instrumental, but "The Dance Of Eternity" is in close proximity. "Stream Of Consciousness" didn't even make my top 100.
Goddamn people and their opinions! :biggrin:
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Stream of Consciousness, on the other hand, is to DT what La Villas Strangiato is to Rush.
As someone who ranked LVS as their number one Rush song not too long ago, I'm not sure I can agree with this. "Erotomania" is my highest ranking instrumental, but "The Dance Of Eternity" is in close proximity. "Stream Of Consciousness" didn't even make my top 100.
Objectively speaking, you are wrong :)
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Dance is quite a bit higher than both Erotomania and Stream.... that is an old an well established fact ;)
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Dance is quite a bit higher than both Erotomania and Stream.... that is an old an well established fact ;)
FWIW, the instrumental rankings from the prior countdown:
38. Overture 1928
42. Hell's Kitchen (57 this time)
47. The Dance of Eternity
50. Stream of Consciousness (39 this time)
52. Erotomania (40 this time)
79. Ytse Jam (67 this time)
I wager that we'll see O1928 and TDOE before next Monday.
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Erotomania (36) - Great on its own, even better as a prelude to the awesomeness that is Voices.
Stream of Consciousness (29) - The song I used to introduce DT to my son (when he was about 4 months old).
Another Day (22) . My favorite power ballad. Can't sing it to save my life but it never stopped me from trying.
Zydar - As great as he is, he didn't make the cut. I was thinking about swapping him for some of the Astonishing songs, but in the end, put A Nightmare to Remember instead.
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I do like Overture 1928, though I tend to think of it less as an instrumental and more as the intro to Strange Deja Vu. I'd probably rank the instrumentals I know like so:
1. Hell's Kitchen
2. Overture 1928
3. The Dance of Eternity
4. Stream of Consciousness
5. Eve
6. Erotomania
7. Ytse Jam
8. Whatever that nonsense at the beginning of SDOIT is called.
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Stream of Consciousness, on the other hand, is to DT what La Villas Strangiato is to Rush.
As someone who ranked LVS as their number one Rush song not too long ago, I'm not sure I can agree with this. "Erotomania" is my highest ranking instrumental, but "The Dance Of Eternity" is in close proximity. "Stream Of Consciousness" didn't even make my top 100.
Goddamn people and their opinions! :biggrin:
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Stream of Consciousness, on the other hand, is to DT what La Villas Strangiato is to Rush.
As someone who ranked LVS as their number one Rush song not too long ago, I'm not sure I can agree with this. "Erotomania" is my highest ranking instrumental, but "The Dance Of Eternity" is in close proximity. "Stream Of Consciousness" didn't even make my top 100.
Objectively speaking, you are wrong :)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Erotomania - 28
Stream of Consciousness - 92
Another Day - 7
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40 Erotomania - Had it at #14. To me, the signature song of the Dream Theater instrument players (at least for those in the band at the time).
39 Stream of Consciousness - #41 for me, which is TOO LOW. But rankings are what they are. Fondly remember playing a few parts of it on drums in the Three of a Perfect Pair camp in 2011, bonding with strangers who were also bitten by the DT bug.
38 Zydar... I mean, Another Day - #55 for me. Very special atmosphere. Vocals going way high in the mountains. Dig the solo by Jay Beckenstein from... Spyro Gyra, right?
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Perhaps because English is not my native language, or because I have only known Dream Theater for a few years... it may also be that my cognitive capabilities are being challenged, but fuck... how long it takes for me to convert those freakin' abbreviations into songs!
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
091: Caught In a Web 40
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
080: Wait for Sleep 36
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
074: Sacrified Sons 9
072: Erotomania 32
069: Innocence Faded 27
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
065: Another Day 27
063: Disappear 22
062: Peruvian Skies 18
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
056: A Nightmare to Remember 6
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
050: Wither 49
048: Transcending Time 42
046: Barstool Warrior 6
044: Ytse Jam 23
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
037: The Bigger Picture 23
034: As I Am 9
029: Awaken the Master 52
028: Stream of Conciousness 11
027: Honor Thy Father 44
025: Lie 22
024: One Last Time 22
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
014: This Dying Soul 33
010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
007: A View From the Top of the World 42
not rankend: 9 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night
With a difference of 63 (16 versus 79) places, I would like to officially appoint myself as guardian of The Shattered Fortress.
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Despite all virtuosity displayed on Erotomania (my #39), that more melodic part from 2:38 to 3:41 is maybe my favorite part of the song. It's just gorgeous, specially that JP slow solo.
Stream of Counsciousness (my #85) is a very very good instrumental, despite dragging a bit in some places. Just a minor detail, but I love that King's X "Groove Machine" groove at 5:25.
Another Day (my #60) is a very good ballad that benefits a lot of I&W 80's production.
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40. Erotomania
Highest Finish: 5 (KevShmev)
Number of Lists appeared on: 59 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
39. Stream Of Consciousness
Highest Finish: 2 (Podaar)
Number of Lists appeared on: 58 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
38. Another Day (tied with Zydar)
Highest Finish: 3 (Zydar)
Number of Lists appeared on: 63 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had Erotomania at #51.
For years, my Awake CD started at Erotomania. I have always loved it. My second fave DT instrumental.
I had Stream Of Consciousness at #78.
It has its moments, but overall, it's a bit of a slog, but it's glorious moments are indeed glorious.
I had Another Day at #86.
Phenomenal vocal by James. Such a comforting song.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 Transcending Time
95 Lie Behind The Veil
94 New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 Zydar The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot As I Am
84
83
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78 Stream Of Consciousness
77 A Nightmare To Remember
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72
71
70 One Last Time
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58 Wait For Sleep
57
56
55
54 Barstool Warrior
53
52
51 Erotomania
50
49
48
47
46
45
44 Panic Attack
43 Innocence Faded
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39 A View From The Top Of The World
38
37 Fall Into The Light
36
35 The Gift Of Music
34
33 Peruvian Skies
32
31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20 This Dying Soul
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15
14 The Best Of Times
13
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10
9
8
7 Disappear
6
5
4 The Killing Hand
3
2
1
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Rank. Song Name - My Ranking
100. Never Enough - my 59
99. Wither - my 92
98. The Gift Of Music (No ranking)
97. Vacant - my 29
96. Afterlife (No ranking)
95. Forsaken - my 21 - I was the high vote for this one!
94. S2N (No ranking)
93. Our New World (No ranking)
92. The Looking Glass - my 83
91. A New Beginning (No ranking)
90. Transcending Time (No ranking)
89. Behind The Veil (No ranking)
88. This Is The Life - my 82
87. New Millennium - my 16
86. Constant Motion - my 84
85. Sleeping Giant (No ranking)
83t. The Enemy Inside (No ranking)
83t. Surrender To Reason - my 67
82. Only A Matter Of Time (No ranking)
81. Awaken The Master (No ranking)
80. I Walk Beside You - my 35
79. The Shattered Fortress - my 100
78. A Fortune In Lies (No ranking)
77. The Best Of Times - my 96
76. To Live Forever - my 85
75. Answering The Call (No ranking)
74. Through Her Eyes - my 50
73. Lost Not Forgotten - my 15
72. Fall Into The Light (No ranking)
71. Honor Thy Father - my 69
70. The Dark Eternal Night (No ranking)
69. The Alien - my 86
68. The Killing Hand (No ranking)
Since my last post...
67. Ytse Jam (No ranking)
66. The Silent Man - my 79
65. Raise The Knife (No ranking)
64. Beneath The Surface - my 52
63. Sacrificed Sons (No ranking)
62. Pale Blue Dot (No ranking)
61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls - my 57
60. The Bigger Picture - my 74
59. Hollow Years - my 64
58. Outcry - my 49
57. Hell's Kitchen - my 61
56. On The Backs Of Angels - my 31
55. Panic Attack - my 93
54. These Walls - my 81
53. The Great Debate - my 32
52. Barstool Warrior (No ranking)
51. Caught In A Web - my 73
50. A Nightmare To Remember - my 99
49. A View From The Top Of The World (No ranking)
47t. Lie - my 20
47t. This Dying Soul - my 47
46. One Last Time - my 46
44t. Peruvian Skies - my 9
44t. Wait For Sleep - my 43
43. As I Am - my 89
42. Innocence Faded - my 75
41. Disappear - my 24
40. Erotomania - my 77
39. Stream Of Consciousness - my 60
38. Another Day - my 63
Of the latest batch:
- I matched the community rank for for This Dying Soul and One Last Time.
- I forgot to rank Ytse Jam and Raise the Knife. Had I done that, I'd have gladly seen The Shattered Fortress and A Nightmare to Remember fall out of my top 100.
- I don't have enough listens of AVFTTOTW to rank most of the songs on it. I'll need to remedy that.
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Catching up...
1. This Dying Soul
2.
3. Stream of Consciousness
4.
5.
6. Disappear
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12. Outcry
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19. Erotomania
20. As I Am
21. The Great Debate
22. The Shattered Fortress
23. Answering The Call
24.
25.
26.
27. Awaken The Master
28.
29.
30.
31.
32. Forsaken
33. A View From The Top Of The World
34.
35.
36. Beneath The Surface
37. Innocence Faded
38. Peruvian Skies
39.
40.
41. The Best of Times
42. On The Backs of Angels
43.
44.
45.
46. Panic Attack
47. Lie
48. Another Day
49. The Alien
50.
51. Behind the Veil
52.
53. These Walls
54.
55. The Ministry of Lost Souls
56. Sleeping Giant
57. Fall Into The Light
58. Pale Blue Dot
59.
60. Sacrificed Sons
61. Honor Thy Father
62. New Millennium
63.
64. Barstool Warrior
65.
66. Hell's Kitchen
67.
68.
69. The Bigger Picture
70.
71. Transcending Time (my lowest ranked song from View)
72.
73. I Walk Beside You
74.
75. Never Enough
76. Hollow Years (#TeamBudokan by the way)
77.
78.
79. Caught In A Web
80.
81.
82.
83.
84.
85.
86. Surrender To Reason
87.
88. Vacant (lowest ranked song from ToT)
89.
90.
91. One Last Time
92. The Looking Glass
93. A Fortune In Lies
94. Ytse Jam
95. Afterlife
96.
97.
98. Constant Motion
99.
100. The Enemy Inside
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Absolutely love Stream of Consciousness, and for those who haven't heard it, now is as good a time as any to plug the winners of Dream Theater's Stream of Consciousness Songwriting Competition from back in the day. It's fantastic, especially the middle section (which I think is the only relatively weak spot of DT's song)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXz5E9qZUkw
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Despite all virtuosity displayed on Erotomania (my #39), that more melodic part from 2:38 to 3:41 is maybe my favorite part of the song. It's just gorgeous, specially that JP slow solo.
Agree, and I'd take it even further - to the 4:23 mark where they revisit the intro riff and then go into that fast classical bit. It's a vibe that we haven't really heard from DT in a long time, and I wish they'd do that sort of thing again.
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It's the fast classical bit that always annoyed me. Never really been a fan of that sort of "rocking with Mozart" type of thing.
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Despite all virtuosity displayed on Erotomania (my #39), that more melodic part from 2:38 to 3:41 is maybe my favorite part of the song. It's just gorgeous, specially that JP slow solo.
Agree, and I'd take it even further - to the 4:23 mark where they revisit the intro riff and then go into that fast classical bit. It's a vibe that we haven't really heard from DT in a long time, and I wish they'd do that sort of thing again.
Indeed very special and very Malmsteen, but done better, with a DT mentality, so to speak.
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Despite all virtuosity displayed on Erotomania (my #39), that more melodic part from 2:38 to 3:41 is maybe my favorite part of the song. It's just gorgeous, specially that JP slow solo.
Agree, and I'd take it even further - to the 4:23 mark where they revisit the intro riff and then go into that fast classical bit. It's a vibe that we haven't really heard from DT in a long time, and I wish they'd do that sort of thing again.
Indeed very special and very Malmsteen, but done better, with a DT mentality, so to speak.
YES! Love that part!!
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I had Erotomania at 52. Wonderful instrumental.
SOC I had at 84. It's a bit long and could have at least 4 minutes cut from it. It's very nice but after that amazing JP solo, it overstays its welcome. Always thought it needed another solo later in the song to mix it up.
Another Day came in for me at 27. What an absolute amazing, beautiful song. Just glorious.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 Disappear The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84 Stream Of Consciousness
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77
76
75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
73 One Last Time
72 Peruvian Skies
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63 Panic Attack
62
61 On the Backs of Angels
60
59
58 Afterlife
57 Caught In A Web
56
55
54 The Great Debate
53 A Nightmare to Remember
52 Erotomania
51 Answering the Call
50
49
48 The Shattered Fortress
47
46 As I Am
45
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43
42 Never Enough
41 Wait For Sleep
40
39
38
37 The Bigger Picture
36 Outcry
35
34 Lie
33
32 I Walk Beside You
31
30 A View From the Top of the World
29 Surrender to Reason
28 Barstool Warrior
27 Another Day
26
25
24 Innocence Faded
23
22
21
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18
17
16
15
14
13 These Walls
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2 This Dying Soul.
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49t. A View From The Top Of The World (NR) I gave this song 5 chances and I was never impressed. I do intend to give it more chances, maybe it'll click one day.
49t. A Nightmare To Remember (68th) Much of this song is pretty good, and then Beautiful Agony is many tiers above it. It's too long, though.
47t. Lie (72nd) Really cool song, maybe should be higher for me, and the instrumental rocks.
47t. This Dying Soul (34th) The moment that riff hits and the band comes in...come on! So good! Lots to like, a great part of the 12SS.
46. One Last Time (74th) Yeah, not a SFAM fan. I do plan to give it a spin to see if it finally clicks. Maybe!
44t. Peruvian Skies (95th) Meh, it's aight.
44t. Wait For Sleep (37th) Just beautiful, I still remember the first time hearing it. Really impressed then and just as much now.
43. As I Am (15th) I LOVE this song and I am pretty surprised it is this low. One of my first DT songs so maybe I am biased. The prechorus is one of the coolest parts and the chorus is really cool. The guitar solo ending on chords ringing out is such a little twist.
42. Innocence Faded (16th) This song has grown tremendously on me. It all flows so well, and the instrumental is killer.
41. Disappear (39th) Great song, I don't often go to listen but it's always a great and sad song.
40. Erotomania (46th) Very cool instrumental.
39. Stream Of Consciousness (12th) Best instrumental. Best DT song to play on the bass.
38. Another Day (24th) Not an instrumental, but a top 3 ballad-y type song from DT.
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Erotomania #46
Stream of Consciousness #91
Another Day #7
Nice one Zydar!
Another Day :heart :metal
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Erotomania- My favorite DT instrumental came in at #21 on my list. Plenty of cool and different sections and playing packed into 6 minutes without feeling disjointed.
Stream of Consciousness- Barely made my list at #96. The first couple minutes are great, but everything after JP's monster shred solo doesn't do anything for me. Thoroughly mind-bottling to me that this finished higher than Erotomania as far as DT instrumentals go.
Another Day- I had it a little bit lower at #63. My lowest rated song from Images & Words, but that speaks more to the strength of that album than anything else. The sax solo makes it stand out from a lot of other DT ballads.
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Disappear: 23. Only two other bands I know could have come up with such a song: The Beatles and Pink Floyd.
Devin Townsend. But I see your point.
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40. Erotomania 40. Hit this one right on the button. To be fair, I probably haven't listened to this in 15 years or more. Still, I remember it as being one of the more boring moments of Awake.
39. Stream Of Consciousness 2. Everything I like in an instrumental. Hell, everything I like about music! I usually want to hear it again when it's finished.
38. Another Day DNR
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Disappear: 23. Only two other bands I know could have come up with such a song: The Beatles and Pink Floyd.
Devin Townsend. But I see your point.
Well, it’s more of a Radiohead song anyway. Basically any other band consciously trying to sound like those bands could have done it. :P
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Disappear: 23. Only two other bands I know could have come up with such a song: The Beatles and Pink Floyd.
Devin Townsend. But I see your point.
Well, it’s more of a Radiohead song anyway. Basically any other band consciously trying to sound like those bands could have done it. :P
Guys, I love you, I really do, but you are killing me.
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Disappear: 23. Only two other bands I know could have come up with such a song: The Beatles and Pink Floyd.
Devin Townsend. But I see your point.
Well, it’s more of a Radiohead song anyway. Basically any other band consciously trying to sound like those bands could have done it. :P
Guys, I love you, I really do, but you are killing me.
https://youtu.be/mrudT410TAI?si=9o4H44EHiDdGR0J_
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Disappear: 23. Only two other bands I know could have come up with such a song: The Beatles and Pink Floyd.
Devin Townsend. But I see your point.
Well, it’s more of a Radiohead song anyway. Basically any other band consciously trying to sound like those bands could have done it. :P
Guys, I love you, I really do, but you are killing me.
Me too; though that explains why Disappear is 146 out of 178. I must've subconsciously absorbed the Radiohead influence. (I despise Radiohead).
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Disappear: 23. Only two other bands I know could have come up with such a song: The Beatles and Pink Floyd.
Devin Townsend. But I see your point.
Well, it’s more of a Radiohead song anyway. Basically any other band consciously trying to sound like those bands could have done it. :P
Guys, I love you, I really do, but you are killing me.
Me too; though that explains why Disappear is 146 out of 178. I must've subconsciously absorbed the Radiohead influence. (I despise Radiohead).
I think MP has even acknowledged the direct Radiohead influence (I know that he's said OK Computer was in the inspiration corner for the album, and that's the track on SDOIT that sounds like Radiohead). If you listen to Exit Movie (For a Film) and Karma Police you'll get the gist of what they were going for.
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Huh I have Disappear at #3 and I couldn't name one Radiohead song.
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Disappear: 23. Only two other bands I know could have come up with such a song: The Beatles and Pink Floyd.
Devin Townsend. But I see your point.
Well, it’s more of a Radiohead song anyway. Basically any other band consciously trying to sound like those bands could have done it. :P
Guys, I love you, I really do, but you are killing me.
Me too; though that explains why Disappear is 146 out of 178. I must've subconsciously absorbed the Radiohead influence. (I despise Radiohead).
I think MP has even acknowledged the direct Radiohead influence (I know that he's said OK Computer was in the inspiration corner for the album, and that's the track on SDOIT that sounds like Radiohead). If you listen to Exit Movie (For a Film) and Karma Police you'll get the gist of what they were going for.
I get you, and basically we hear the same thing. Please stop making sense and killing me with logic.
Jokes aside, both DT and Radiohead have washed those songs in the Beatles and Pink Floyd river (Karma Police is a Sexy Sadie pickpocket if I ever heard one). I'm just ignoring the quotationists (because I can't stand them) and going straight to the originators.
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Friday afternoon update!
37. At Wit's End
Highest Finish: 4 (Ben_Jamin, Toro)
Number of Lists appeared on: 57 (Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
The main riff is S-tier for me, but the whole song is middle tier.
36. The Root Of All Evil
Highest Finish: 7 (lightningbolt)
Number of Lists appeared on: 60 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I almost never listen to this song but I do really like it, I don't know what it is but when it comes to the 12SS I usually go for TGP or Repentance
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
Highest Finish: 5 (WardSI)
Number of Lists appeared on: 57 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
My favorite from Awake and one of the few songs I got back to from that album.
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At Wit's End - #33 - almost right on the money here. Tremendous song, the best from DoT.
The Root of All Evil - #44 - also very close. Great start to 8VM and great contribution to 12SS after a lackluster TDS. Longer than eight minutes but it flies by. Very well-crafted.
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream - #32 - also got the placement almost right. An unusual song for DT (and for Awake) and it took me a long time to warm up to it but now I think it's incredible really. Managed to see it live in 2014 and it was amazing.
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37. At Wit's End: #27 for me. One of the best from the last 15 years.
36. Root of All Evil: #36 for me. Great song and the best of the 12SS.
35. Lifting Shadows Off a Dream: #62 for me. This song has always been a hit of miss for me. Its good, for it feels like there is something lacking, just don't know what exactly.
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Rank - Song - My rank
37 - At Wit's End - 21 - Highlight of DoT and one of my favorites from the MM era
36 - the root of all evil - 28 - great opener for 8VM, rocks live
35 - lifting shadows off a dream - 17 - second highest ranked song from Awake. Love everything about this one.
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I’m so in love with the extended intro from LSOAD.. :heart
EDIT - of course I meant from the ‘98 fan club CD live acoustic show. (Or was the ‘97 CD?)
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At Wit's End -none
the root of all evil - none
lifting shadows off a dream - 19
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
155. Hell's Kitchen
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
146. Disappear
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
142. Ytsejam
139. Panic Attack
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
132. Barstool Warrior
125. Stream Of Consciousness
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
109. Outcry
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
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98. Another Day
97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
95. The Great Debate
90. On The Backs Of Angels
85. Constant Motion
84. Beneath The Surface
83. At Wit's End
82. Peruvian Skies
80. The Enemy Inside
78. Hollow Years
76. The Shattered Fortress
73. Lie
68. A Nightmare To Remember
67. The Silent Man
66. The Root Of All Evil
62. As I Am
61. These Walls
59. The Gift of Music
57. The Bigger Picture
56. One Last Time
55. Pale Blue Dot
54. Answering The Call
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
46. A New Beginning
44. Forsaken
43. A View From The Top Of The World
41. The Looking Glass
40. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
36. New Millenium
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
34. Wait For Sleep
33. Transcending Time
31. The Best Of Times
30. Erotomania
28. Our New World
25. Raise The Knife
23. I Walk Beside You
21. Sacrificed Sons
19. Caught In A Web
14. To Live Forever
9. Innocence Faded
7. This Dying Soul
5. This Is The Life
Lifting Shadows is my 6th highest song from Awake, but that's just a testament to how good that album really is. I don't want the new DT to repeat themselves, but I wouldn't mind at all if they have a song or two that builds and breathes like that again.
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Ah so here it is finally. Lifting Shadows is the ONE song that got screwed by the ranker, it's always been top 20 for me but somehow ended up 56 :sad:. Other 2 songs are really strong also of course, nothing but high rollers from here on out.
5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
9 The Great Debate
11 Outcry
16 One Last Time
20 Lost Not Forgotten
22 A View From the Top of the World
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
28 Fall Into the Light
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
33 Disappear
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
42 The Root of All Evil
48 A Fortune in Lies
52 Barstool Warrior
51 Our New World
53 At Wit's End
54 Wither
55 The Alien
56 Lifting Shadows off a Dream
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
59 Innocence Faded
61 I Walk Beside You
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
65 Wait for Sleep
66 The Bigger Picture
67 A Nightmare to Remember
68 Sleeping Giant
70 The Ministry of Lost Souls
75 Panic Attack
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
93 Another Day
95 On the Backs of Angels
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen, These Walls, Caught in a Web, Lie, This Dying Soul, Peruvian Skies, As I Am, Erotomania, Stream of Consciousness
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time, Outcry
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At Wit's End - I agree it's the best song off its album. Touching and intense. Finished at 57 for me however.
The Root of All Evil - Kickass track. Groovy and catchy, heavy without having to use a gazillion fast notes. It ended at 22, a whopping 14 positions higher. Maybe I over-ranked it a bit but who cares, it's a great track.
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream - while it's not one of my absolute favorite songs, it's still a great track, a bit diverse for them, and one of the many proofs about their taste for melody and constraint. Elegant and beautiful. Having so many favorite songs means that, all things said and done, it did not go past 49 for me, 14 positions lower.
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Disappear: 23. Only two other bands I know could have come up with such a song: The Beatles and Pink Floyd.
Devin Townsend. But I see your point.
Well, it’s more of a Radiohead song anyway. Basically any other band consciously trying to sound like those bands could have done it. :P
Guys, I love you, I really do, but you are killing me.
Me too; though that explains why Disappear is 146 out of 178. I must've subconsciously absorbed the Radiohead influence. (I despise Radiohead).
I think MP has even acknowledged the direct Radiohead influence (I know that he's said OK Computer was in the inspiration corner for the album, and that's the track on SDOIT that sounds like Radiohead). If you listen to Exit Movie (For a Film) and Karma Police you'll get the gist of what they were going for.
I get you, and basically we hear the same thing. Please stop making sense and killing me with logic.
Jokes aside, both DT and Radiohead have washed those songs in the Beatles and Pink Floyd river (Karma Police is a Sexy Sadie pickpocket if I ever heard one). I'm just ignoring the quotationists (because I can't stand them) and going straight to the originators.
The Beatles and Floyd are definitely the root of that tree.
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The Root of All Evil is actually probably my favorite song of the 12 step suite. It’s not the type of song I’d reach for with much frequency from DT, but it’s a nice heavy rocker and it was great opening the Score concert.
Lifting Shadows Off A Dream is a near perfect song. Probably in my top 5 DT songs. Beautiful, but intricate and very proggy despite being very accessible. DT at their best.
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37. At Wit's End
Highest Finish: 4 (Ben_Jamin, Toro)
Number of Lists appeared on: 57 (Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
36. The Root Of All Evil
Highest Finish: 7 (lightningbolt)
Number of Lists appeared on: 60 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
Highest Finish: 5 (WardSI)
Number of Lists appeared on: 57 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had At Wits End at #38.
This is a great song, and I would've closed the album with it, as the little demo snippet is really cool and would've been a great way to end things.
I had The Root Of All Evil at #96.
Even though this came in at #96, this song has aged decently. I never really liked it, and put it with As I Am, but seeing them play it in 2012 gave it a new life for me. I mean, I saw it in 2006, but I wasn't feeling it.
I had Lifting Shadows Off A Dream at #32.
It'ssongs like this that really separate Dream Theater. One of those "beautiful" songs that someone mentioned earlier.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 The Root Of All Evil Transcending Time
95 Lie Behind The Veil
94 New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 Zydar The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot As I Am
84
83
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78 Stream Of Consciousness
77 A Nightmare To Remember
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72
71
70 One Last Time
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58 Wait For Sleep
57
56
55
54 Barstool Warrior
53
52
51 Erotomania
50
49
48
47
46
45
44 Panic Attack
43 Innocence Faded
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39 A View From The Top Of The World
38 At Wits End
37 Fall Into The Light
36
35 The Gift Of Music
34
33 Peruvian Skies
32 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20 This Dying Soul
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15
14 The Best Of Times
13
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10
9
8
7 Disappear
6
5
4 The Killing Hand
3
2
1
50 -16
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37. At Wit's End
36. The Root Of All Evil
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
A Twit's End never made as much of an impact for me as it did for a lot of folks. Solid song nonetheless. I had it at #69 (dude!). It ranked at #20 in the prior countdown, so 37 is quite a drop.
Root is my second ranked of the 12SS songs. I had it at #54. It ranked at #34 in the prior countdown, so almost the same this time.
I love Lifting Shadows. That intro on the bass is deceptively difficult to play well. Such a cool vibe! I had it at #47, which seems a tad low. It came in at #35 in the prior countdown as well.
List Not Ranked
100 This Dying Soul (47T) Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall into the Light (72), Honor Thy Father (71), Raise the Knife (65), Peruvian Skies (44T), Disappear (41)
98
97 This Is the Life (88)
96
95
94
93
92 The Ministry of Lost Souls (61)
91
90
89
88 Another Day (38)
87 Innocence Faded (42)
86 Lie (47T)
85
84 Forsaken (95)
83
82 Erotomania (40)
81
80
79 Vacant (97)
78 Wait for Sleep (44T)
77 The Silent Man (66)
76
75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
74
73 A Nightmare to Remember (50)
72
71
70
69 At Wit's End (37)
68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
67 The Dark Eternal Night (70)
66 Pale Blue Dot (62)
65 Transcending Time (90)
64
63
62
61 Beneath the Surface (64)
60 Hell's Kitchen (57)
59 Afterlife (96)
58
57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
56
55 The Alien (69)
54 The Root of All Evil (36)
53 The Bigger Picture (60)
52
51
50
49 As I Am (43)
48 A View from the Top of the World (49)
47 Lifting Shadows off a Dream (35)
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45
44 On the Backs of Angels (56)
43 Ytse Jam (67)
42 One Last Time (46)
41 Through Her Eyes (74)
40
39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
38 Hollow Years (59)
37
36
35
34
33 Outcry (33)
32
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30
29
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26
25
24
23
22
21
20
19 Sacrificed Sons (63)
18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
16
15 The Killing Hand (68)
14
13
12
11 Stream of Consciousness (39)
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
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UPDATED +/- NUMBERS (compared to the prior countdown)
100. Never Enough – 99 (-1)
99. Wither – NR
98. The Gift of Music – 83 (-15)
97. Vacant – 89 (-8)
96. Afterlife – 96 (+0)
95. Forsaken – 95 (+0)
94. S2N – 70 (-24)
93. Our New World – 97 (+4)
92. The Looking Glass – 92 (+0)
91. A New Beginning – 68 (23)
90. Transcending Time
89. Behind the Veil – 64 (-25)
88. This Is the Life – 74 (-14)
87. New Millennium – 90 (+3)
86. Constant Motion – 82 (-4)
85. Sleeping Giant
83T. The Enemy Inside – 56 (-27)
83T. Surrender to Reason – 58 (-25)
82. Only a Matter of Time – 75 (-7)
81. Awaken the Master
80. I Walk Beside You – 93 (+13)
79. The Shattered Fortress – 62 (-17)
78. A Fortune in Lies – 76 (-2)
77. The Best of Times – 77 (+0)
76. To Live Forever – 91 (+15)
75. Answering the Call
74. Through Her Eyes – 94 (+20)
73. Lost Not Forgotten – 59T (-14)
72. Fall into the Light – 43 (-29)
71. Honor Thy Father – 81 (+10)
70. The Dark Eternal Night – 78 (+8)
69. The Alien
68. The Killing Hand – 48 (-20)
67. Ytse Jam – 79 (+12)
66. The Silent Man – 80 (+14)
65. Raise the Knife – 72 (+7)
64. Beneath the Surface – 67 (+3)
63. Sacrificed Sons – 53 (-10)
62. Pale Blue Dot – 49 (-13)
61. The Ministry of Lost Souls – 66 (+5)
60. The Bigger Picture – 35T (-25)
59. Hollow Years – 69 (+10)
58. Outcry – 37 (-21)
57. Hell’s Kitchen – 42 (-15)
56. On the Backs of Angels – 73 (+17)
55. Panic Attack - 45 (-10)
54. These Walls - 41 (-13)
53. The Great Debate - 46 (-7)
52. Barstool Warrior - 39 (-13)
51. Caught in a Web - 63 (+12)
50. A Nightmare to Remember - 55 (+5)
49. A View from the Top of the World
47T. Lie – 59T (+12)
47T. This Dying Soul - 51 (+4)
46. One Last Time - 65 (+19)
44T. Peruvian Skies - 61 (+17)
44T. Wait for Sleep - 32 (-12)
43. As I Am - 71 (+28)
42. Innocence Faded - 57 (+15)
41. Disappear - 31 (-10)
40. Erotomania - 52 (+12)
39. Stream of Consciousness - 50 (+11)
38. Another Day - 44 (+6)
37. At Wit’s End - 20 (-17)
36. The Root of All Evil - 34 (-2)
35. Lifting Shadows off a Dream – 35T (+0)
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THE SCORE SO FAR
(Things Are Taking Shape Edition)
1. Awake (6 songs, 325 points): The Silent Man (66), Caught in a Web (51), Lie (47T), Innocence Faded (42), Erotomania (40), Lifting Shadows off a Dream (35)
2. Octavarium (6 songs, 218 points): Never Enough (100), I Walk Beside You (80), Sacrificed Sons (63), Panic Attack (55), These Walls (54), The Root of All Evil (36)
3. Train of Thought (5 songs, 208 points): Vacant (97), Honor Thy Father (71), This Dying Soul (47T), As I Am (43), Stream of Consciousness (39)
4. Distance over Time (5 songs, 188 points): S2N (94), Fall into the Light (72), Pale Blue Dot (62), Barstool Warrior (52), At Wit’s End (37)
5. A Dramatic Turn of Events (5 songs, 166 points): This Is the Life (88), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Beneath the Surface (64), Outcry (58), On the Backs of Angels (56)
6T. Falling into Infinity (4 songs, 157 points): New Millennium (87), Hollow Years (59), Hell’s Kitchen (57), Peruvian Skies (44T)
6T. A View from the Top of the World (6 songs, 157 points): Transcending Time (90), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), Answering the Call (75), The Alien (69), A View from the Top of the World (49)
8. Images and Words (2 songs, 120 points): Wait for Sleep (44), Another Day (38)
9. When Dream and Day Unite (5 songs, 114 points): Afterlife (96), Only a Matter of Time (82), A Fortune in Lies (78), The Killing Hand (68), Ytse Jam (67)
10. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (2 song, 108 points): The Great Debate (53), Disappear (41)
11. Black Clouds & Silver Linings (4 songs, 99 points): Wither (99), The Shattered Fortress (79), The Best of Times (77), A Nightmare to Remember (50)
12. Dream Theater (5 songs, 98 points): The Looking Glass (92), Behind the Veil (89), The Enemy Inside (83T), Surrender to Reason (83T), The Bigger Picture (60)
13. Systematic Chaos (4 songs, 92 points): Forsaken (95), Constant Motion (86), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61)
14. Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory (2 songs, 82 points): Through Her Eyes (74), One Last Time (46)
15. Other (2 songs, 61 points): To Live Forever (76), Raise the Knife (65)
16. The Astonishing (3 songs, 21 points): The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91)
Awake with the commanding lead. Will it hold it? Nope.
No confirmation from our benevolent overlord, but I'm certain we'll see no more songs from View, WDADU and TA. Poor TA; quite a pitiful showing. It beat out WDADU in the last countdown and got 10 songs in the mix, 7 of which finished above 90. This time, only 3 songs and none above 90.
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At wit's end didn't make it for me. There is actually a handful of solid songs on Distance over time that I decided not to include. They're not quite top 100 material.
The Root of all evil was my #59. It holds a special place in my heart as Octavarium was the second Dream Theater album I ever heard and that chorus really got stuck in my head. I went through a period of not really loving the song as a whole, but nowadays I dig it again.
Lifting shadows of a dream was my #33. What a unique song in their discography. It took me a couple of years to fully appreciate it, though. Seeing it live in 2014 sealed the deal for me.
I'm very excited for the top 35, this will be good. :metal
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41. Disappear
I always thought this song was a little strange. While it's fairly short it didn't really pull me in, it felt more like a transitional track than anything else.
Are you sure you're not thinking of Vacant?
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49t. A View From The Top Of The World (NR) I gave this song 5 chances and I was never impressed. I do intend to give it more chances, maybe it'll click one day.
49t. A Nightmare To Remember (68th) Much of this song is pretty good, and then Beautiful Agony is many tiers above it. It's too long, though.
47t. Lie (72nd) Really cool song, maybe should be higher for me, and the instrumental rocks.
47t. This Dying Soul (34th) The moment that riff hits and the band comes in...come on! So good! Lots to like, a great part of the 12SS.
46. One Last Time (74th) Yeah, not a SFAM fan. I do plan to give it a spin to see if it finally clicks. Maybe!
44t. Peruvian Skies (95th) Meh, it's aight.
44t. Wait For Sleep (37th) Just beautiful, I still remember the first time hearing it. Really impressed then and just as much now.
43. As I Am (15th) I LOVE this song and I am pretty surprised it is this low. One of my first DT songs so maybe I am biased. The prechorus is one of the coolest parts and the chorus is really cool. The guitar solo ending on chords ringing out is such a little twist.
42. Innocence Faded (16th) This song has grown tremendously on me. It all flows so well, and the instrumental is killer.
41. Disappear (39th) Great song, I don't often go to listen but it's always a great and sad song.
40. Erotomania (46th) Very cool instrumental.
39. Stream Of Consciousness (12th) Best instrumental. Best DT song to play on the bass.
38. Another Day (24th) Not an instrumental, but a top 3 ballad-y type song from DT.
37. At Wit's End (NR) Not familiar enough but I think I heard it the other day and liked it.
36. The Root Of All Evil (18th) Great song, pretty straightforward but it rocks.
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream (63rd) I get why people like this more than I do. It's a great song, but in the context of the album, it starts to drag and on its own, it isn't what I look for in DT songs usually, while still liking it.
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No confirmation from our benevolent overlord, but I'm certain we'll see no more songs from View, WDADU and TA. Poor TA; quite a pitiful showing. It beat out WDADU in the last countdown and got 10 songs in the mix, 7 of which finished above 90. This time, only 3 songs and none above 90.
Well, it was certaintly not my fault! I'll probably be the highest ranker for 4-5 songs in the end....
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At Wit's End: 77. Nice and moving.
The Root of All Evil: didn't make the cut, never liked it.
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream: 76. Nice and elegant. The first instance of UDT2.
The Score so far:
14 - Stream of Consciousness
21 - A New Beginning
23 - Disappear
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
31 - Erotomania
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
42 - Another Day
43 - One Last Time
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
54 - Peruvian Skies
56 - The Bigger Picture
61 - Wait for Sleep
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
70 - Innocence Faded
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
76 - Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
77 - At Wit's End
78 - Lie
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
92 - The Killing Hand
95 - Barstool Warrior
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 32
No confirmation from our benevolent overlord, but I'm certain we'll see no more songs from View, WDADU and TA. Poor TA; quite a pitiful showing. It beat out WDADU in the last countdown and got 10 songs in the mix, 7 of which finished above 90. This time, only 3 songs and none above 90.
Well, it was certaintly not my fault! I'll probably be the highest ranker for 4-5 songs in the end....
Eh, I tried as well. 26 TA songs ranked, the 3 highest ones at 18, 19 and 21.
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The thing about the U2 influence on Lifting Shadows, that separates it from something like Disappear or Peruvian Skies in my mind, is that while that guitar delay is very U2-ish and JLB maybe has a little bit of Bono in his delivery, the song itself doesn't really sound like any U2 song and is certainly more ambitious than anything U2 ever wrote (it is maybe a bit like some of the more atmospheric stuff on The Unforgettable Fire I guess). There's definitely an influence there, but DT is more borrowing an element popularized by U2 to do their own thing I think. I always think of the verse and instrumental section as a bit grunge even (think King's X or Alice in Chains).
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AWE came in at number 12 for me. What an amazing song and the outro is up there with JP's best moments. So good. Great lyrics too, I've related to them before, James kills it here.
TROAE came in at 33. This one has aged really well. Great opener and just a really well written tune. It nicely picks up on themes from the first two songs but at the same time is its own song also.
LSOAD made it to 26 for me. What a beautiful song. The atmosphere, the soundscapes, the performances, just perfect.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 Disappear The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84 Stream Of Consciousness
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77
76
75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
73 One Last Time
72 Peruvian Skies
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63 Panic Attack
62
61 On the Backs of Angels
60
59
58 Afterlife
57 Caught In A Web
56
55
54 The Great Debate
53 A Nightmare to Remember
52 Erotomania
51 Answering the Call
50
49
48 The Shattered Fortress
47
46 As I Am
45
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43
42 Never Enough
41 Wait For Sleep
40
39
38
37 The Bigger Picture
36 Outcry
35
34 Lie
33 The Root of All Evil
32 I Walk Beside You
31
30 A View From the Top of the World
29 Surrender to Reason
28 Barstool Warrior
27 Another Day
26 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
25
24 Innocence Faded
23
22
21
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18
17
16
15
14
13 These Walls
12 At Wit's End
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2 This Dying Soul.
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At Wits End #68
TROAE #67
LSOAD #5
Again little surprised am highest with Lifting Shadows but was a no-brainer for me. I suspect there may be one more high to come one of my favourites from Awake, can't see it as high for others but I do hope so...
Really enjoying the countdown folks :metal
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I've got way behind again...
As I Am #67 no denying the riffs on this thing. Definitely one of the better songs from ToT, and it could've easily ended up 10 spots higher.
Innocence Faded #58 kind of a weird tune, and listening to it now, maybe it should've been a bit lower. Cheesy chorus and not in a good way. That instrumental section at 4:16 and the way it abruptly cuts in pretty much saves it. I enjoy that bit a lot.
Disappear #95 this really should be something that I enjoy a lot more. It's kinda brooding and there are some nice musical "payoffs" (like the "So I'm moving on..." bit) but it just doesn't stir my gravy.
Erotomania #89 another kinda weird tune (Awake has a few of those, huh?) but one that I really enjoy parts of. As with many a DT song, the saving grace is some awesome instrumental tomfoolery.
Stream of Consciousness #63 a bit overlong for me, but still pretty decent.
Another Day #9 now we're really talking. This is my highest ranking song so far, and I love it. This song always reminds me of a particularly embarrassing moment in my life. When I got into I&W I had just moved back in with my Dad and step Mum for a bit. I was working shift work at the time and I remember having a late breakfast one day, and I was home alone and cranking I&W (this was about 2007, so I was like 24). My brother turned up with this really hot friend of his, who I kinda fancied. I've always been confident in my musical tastes and don't really give a fuck if people don't like what I listen to. However by bro and his friend walked in as the saxophone bit was playing in this song. They both gave me this kind of "wtf are you listening to?" face. I tried to kinda explain DT and definitely came off as the least cool guy she'd spoken to in the last year, at least. It still kinda makes me cringe at times, but fuck it, it's life and I always adored this song, and still do.
At Wit's End #74 kinda shocked that this song has beat out some of the songs that have ranked lower so far. It's a case of the opposite of recency bias for me. It's definitely not a bad song though.
The Root of All Evil #15 another great riff to start with, and the "Take all of me..." section is just perfect. Should be higher.
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream #90 kinda similar to Innocence Faded for me, although not as good.
My ranking so far:
9. Another Day
11. A Nightmare To Remember
13. Wither
15. The Root of All Evil
16. Panic Attack
18. The Dark Eternal Night
20. Never Enough
21. The Ministry of Lost Souls
23. Sacrificed Sons
27. The Best of Times
28. These Walls
29. Constant Motion
30. A New Beginning
31. The Shattered Fortress
35. The Enemy Inside
36. I Walk Beside You
40. One Last Time
44. Through Her Eyes
45. The Looking Glass
49. Forsaken
55. Behind the Veil
56. On the Backs of Angels
57. The Bigger Picture
58. Innocence Faded
62. Surrender to Reason
63. Stream of Consciousness
64. Fall Into the Light
65. The Great Debate
66. Wait For Sleep
67. As I Am
69. Ytse Jam
72. Peruvian Skies
73. Honor Thy Father
74. At Wit's End
75. Lie
76. This Dying Soul
77. A View from the Top of the World
80. To Live Forever
82. Barstool Warrior
83. This is the Life
84. Lost Not Forgotten
86. Our New World
89. Erotomania
90. Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
91. Caught In a Web
93. Hollow Years
95. Disappear
96. Beneath the Surface
99. Pale Blue Dot
100. New Millennium
Not ranked:
101. Outcry
104. Hell's Kitchen
109. Vacant
110. The Silent Man
111. Raise The Knife
112. Only a Matter of Time
113. Afterlife
114. A Fortune in Lies
115. The Killing Hand
119. Sleeping Giant
121. Awaken the Master
122. Answering the Call
123. Transcending Time
124. The Alien
125. S2N
140. The Gift of Music
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No confirmation from our benevolent overlord, but I'm certain we'll see no more songs from View, WDADU and TA. Poor TA; quite a pitiful showing. It beat out WDADU in the last countdown and got 10 songs in the mix, 7 of which finished above 90. This time, only 3 songs and none above 90.
Well, it was certaintly not my fault! I'll probably be the highest ranker for 4-5 songs in the end....
Eh, I tried as well. 26 TA songs ranked, the 3 highest ones at 18, 19 and 21.
Ok, then I'm not the highest ranker for any Astonishing song :lol
Again little surprised am highest with Lifting Shadows but was a no-brainer for me. I suspect there may be one more high to come one of my favourites from Awake, can't see it as high for others but I do hope so...
Well, we'll see. A couple of Awake songs did VERY GOOD with me and one is not one of the usual suspects.
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A double update:
Erotomania - my rank 51. A great instrumental.
Stream of Consciousness - I guess a slight better instrumental as I ranked this at 50. Like others have said it is probably a couple of minutes too long and does overstay its welcome but some really awesome music in this song.
Another Day - Amazing. A brilliant vocal, brilliant solo and just a really special song. I did however only rank it at 15 which I think is because the songs above it on my list have a more epic type quality which I admire slightly more.
At Wits End - Easily the best song on the album, but maybe the consensus list doesn't agree. My rank 49.
The Root of all Evil - my rank 45.
Lifting Shadows off a Dream - another really beautiful track. My rank 42.
Not 100% sure of all the remaining songs so I'm interested to see how it plays out from here.
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Time to play catch up!
Barstool Warrior- NR. Decent but nothing special, and I've given it so many chances because I know you guys adore it. Yeah, sadly it's not looking good for the beautiful and far superior Out of Reach, which I had at #38.
Caught in a Web- 42. One of the 11 reasons why Awake is my favorite Dream Theater album. When I first heard it I assumed it would be the next single.
A Nightmare to Remember- 46. This made for such an effective opener on their tour. Probably the loudest crowd I've ever witnessed at a DT concert. But yeah, like most people have said, I wish this song had ended a few minutes sooner.
A View from the Top of the World- NR. Sure, there are a few parts I dig, but this is their only underwhelming epic in my opinion
Lie- 17. I'll never forget the excitement of seeing this video premiere on the Headbanger's Ball. It must have been torturous for the band to cut it off at the 5-minute mark and leave out that absolutely killer ending.
This Dying Soul- 50. Much like The Dark Eternal Night, I find this one heavy, ferocious, and oh so much fun!
One Last Time- 63. So pretty, and I really love how the chorus returns for the album's climax
Peruvian Skies- 14. I'm so glad that out of all of DT's songs up to that point, this is the one chosen for the duet with Queensryche at the end of the show. An incredible song that deserved a higher ranking here.
Wait for Sleep- 44. Yay, my first match!
As I Am-71. The word "underdog" gets used way too many times, but everything else works for me
Innocence Faded- 30. That last minute and a half is practically orgasmic!
Disappear- 13. It's only appropriate that their darkest, most soul-crushing song gets the #13 spot. Because of how heartbreakingly beautiful it is, I've been hoping for a return to this sound with each new album
Another Day- 51. There are so many albums that remind me of autumn, summer, and Christmastime, but Images and Words is the only one I associate with Spring and Easter for some reason--maybe that's when I heard it for the first time. It has the kind of warmth and rejuvenation that suits the season perfectly, especially Another Day and Surrounded. Love that sax and I wish we could hear more of it, even if it sounds dated.
At Wit's End- 90. Well, this sure is a surprise. I had no idea it was so beloved. I'm listening to it again now and yeah, I can definitely see the appeal. I think I've made a mistake. I'm not a huge fan of that loooooooong outro though.
The Root of All Evil- 16. Now we're talking! One of their all-time greatest choruses and performances by James
Lifting Shadows off a Dream- 31. I just love the atmosphere in this one.
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It's getting better and better...
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
091: Caught In a Web 40
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
080: Wait for Sleep 36
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
074: Sacrified Sons 9
072: Erotomania 32
069: Innocence Faded 27
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
065: Another Day 27
063: Disappear 22
062: Peruvian Skies 18
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
056: A Nightmare to Remember 6
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
050: Wither 49
049: Lifting Shadows Off a Dream 14
048: Transcending Time 42
046: Barstool Warrior 6
045: The Root of All Evil 9
044: Ytse Jam 23
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
037: The Bigger Picture 23
034: As I Am 9
033: At Wit's End 4
029: Awaken the Master 52
028: Stream of Conciousness 11
027: Honor Thy Father 44
025: Lie 22
024: One Last Time 22
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
014: This Dying Soul 33
010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
007: A View From the Top of the World 42
not rankend: 9 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night
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At Wit's End ranked at 61 for me. It's a cool song but kind of middle of the road for DT. My second highest ranked from D/T which is an album I rarely reach for.
The Root of all Evil ended up at 74 on my ranking. Another middle of the pack song DT has soo many really good songs that to lack that little extra to elevate them to excellent songs.
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream was at 40 in my ranking. Now this is excellent. Beautiful song that has room to breathe. Wonderful vocals.
My ranking so far
6 Another Day (38)
8 One Last Time (46)
19 The Silent Man (66)
21 Caught In a Web (51)
27 Wait For Sleep (44t)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
37 Our New World (93)
38 Innocence Faded (42)
40 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (35)
41 A View from the Top of the World (49t)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
47 Lie (47t)
48 Erotomania (40)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
61 At Wit's End ( 37)
62 Stream of Consciousness (39)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
73 As I Am (43)
74 The Root of All Evil(36)
75 The Alien (69)
77 A Nightmare To Remember (49t)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
86 Peruvian Skies (44t)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Highest ranker of
8 One Last Time (46)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52), This Dying Soul (47t), Disappear (41)
Rated: 35
Not rated: 28
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40. Erotomania (98). Good instrumental track, but not one that I listen to much.
39. Stream of Consciousness (25). The Dance of Eternity was my favourite DT instrumental for quite a while, but now I prefer this one. Best parts for me are the main riff, and the bass about halfway through.
38. Another Day (46). Great ballad, love the sax and the main piano line.
37. At Wit's End (36). Good chorus, and it gets quite emotional during the second half. Not really sure how to feel about the 20 second fadeout, but it's not a big deal.
36. The Root of All Evil (45). This one has grown on me, I like the chorus a lot, and the brief TDS reprisal is also nice.
35. Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (66). My favourite of the lighter tracks from Awake.
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Update!
34. 6:00
Highest Finish: 2 (porcacultor)
Number of Lists appeared on: 63 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I think this might be my favorite KM song.
33. The Dance Of Eternity
Highest Finish: 8 (Mladen, ReaPsTA)
Number of Lists appeared on: 61 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
A good but not great instrumental IMO, compared to the other DT instrumentals this one ranks near the bottom.
32. Overture 1928
Highest Finish: 3 (DragonAttack)
Number of Lists appeared on: 59 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, wolfking, Zydar)
I really like O1928. It's effective and sets up the theme to Scenes perfectly.
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Still a bit behind...
At Wit's End (my #16) is my third favorite Mangini era song. That Journey-ish outro solo is unbelievable good. I just wish that the fadeout wasn't too long, meaning the fadeout effect, not the actual lenght of the outro solo. I always keep adjusting the volume to listen to it clearly until the end of the song!
The Root of All Evil (my #44) is excellent and I love that it isn't too much heavy, its main riff has more a feel of something between heavy metal and hard rock, which is not much common for DT.
Lifting Shadows off a Dream (my #42) is so unique in its feel. And I think it has one of the more creatives drum patterns composed by MP.
Just an observation, I listened to Stream of Conciousness yesterday, after a long time without doing it, and I must say that I didn't think that it dragged in any part at all, really amazing overall!
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I remember hearing 6:00 (my #21) for the first time when Awake came out and remember my jaw just dropping on the floor. And I still love it very much! If I had to choose the most emblematic MP song, this is it, no doubt.
The Dance of Eternity (# my 45) is really impressive, but a I see it more as a solo section for the entire album than a proper isolated song.
Now, Overture 1928 (my #40) is amazing and does sound much more like an actual song. Interesting, anyone here knows if, as it was composed originally as a part of Metropolis II demo, this song was a result of pieces taken out the rest of the song (like normally is composed any overture) or if actually this overture originated the other parts of the song ahead (and in the future, of the album)?
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6:00 - 27
Dance - 74
1928 - 63
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6:00 is my favorite DT song. It's prog in a tight package, and just a totally unique song. Amazing drum intro. MP's signature moment in my book. Really great keyboard work throughout by KM, especially the solo, which leads into the gorgeous "the pain inside" section. Then the song just builds up from there. Just an outstanding vocal by JLB as well. Everyone is on fire here. And I love the lyric as well. Just outstanding.
Overture 1928 still always brings me back to the first time I heard SFAM. Really great piece, possibly my favorite part of the album. The Dance of Eternity is right there with it, and it's appropriate for them to be ranked back to back. I kind of have to be in the mood for it these days, but it blew my mind back in the day and I still think it's an awesome piece.
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Only the 2 instrumentals made it. O1928 is my favorite DT instrumental by a good amount. TDoE is great too, primarily for being one of the coolest drum compositions ever imagined. 6:00: not a fan of screechy James.
5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
9 The Great Debate
11 Outcry
12 Overture 1928
16 One Last Time
20 Lost Not Forgotten
22 A View From the Top of the World
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
28 Fall Into the Light
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
33 Disappear
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
42 The Root of All Evil
48 A Fortune in Lies
52 Barstool Warrior
51 Our New World
53 At Wit's End
54 Wither
55 The Alien
56 Lifting Shadows off a Dream
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
59 Innocence Faded
61 I Walk Beside You
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
65 Wait for Sleep
66 The Bigger Picture
67 A Nightmare to Remember
68 Sleeping Giant
70 The Ministry of Lost Souls
72 The Dance of Eternity
75 Panic Attack
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
93 Another Day
95 On the Backs of Angels
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen, These Walls, Caught in a Web, Lie, This Dying Soul, Peruvian Skies, As I Am, Erotomania, Stream of Consciousness, 6:00
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time, Outcry
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6am. Pretty good. No idea what the samples represent, but instrumentally cool. My 23
DoE. Surprised it made it to my 25, but I do like it, but not as much as...
O1928. My number 7. Just missed out on another higher placer. It's terrific. Sets up SFAM really nicely. My highest placer from SFAM.
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At this point, nothing below my #57 will make it, and everything above will, I presume. And there's still one to come I didn't rank at all.
100 The Ministry of Lost Souls
99
98
97 Forsaken
96 Another Day
95
94
93 The Silent Man
92 Through Her Eyes
91
90
89 A New Beginning
88
87
86
85 Vacant
84 Wait For Sleep
83 Afterlife
82
81
80
79 The Enemy Inside
78 The Shattered Fortress
77
76 A Fortune in Lies
75 The Gift of Music
74 S2N
73
72
71 Fall Into The Light
70 Awaken the Master
69 The Killing Hand
68 Overture 1928
67
66 Stream of Consciousness
65 Only a Matter of Time
64 The Dark Eternal Night
63
62 Never Enough
61 Panic Attack
60
59
58
57 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
56 Innocence Faded
55
54 Ytse Jam
53 Hell's Kitchen
52
51 As I Am
50 On the Backs of Angels
49 Peruvian Skies
48 Constant Motion
47 New Millennium
46
45 Lie
44
43 Lost Not Forgotten
42
41 The Root of All Evil
40 The Great Debate
39 This Dying Soul
38
37 Erotomania
36 Honor Thy Father
35 Disappear
34 Caught In a Web
33 06:00
32
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28 The Dance of Eternity
27
26
25
24 A Nightmare To Remember
23
22
21
20 Barstool Warrior
19
18 Sleeping Giant
17 The Alien
16
15 Sacrificed Sons
14 A View from the Top of the World
13
12 Pale Blue Dot
11
10 At Wit's End
9
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6:00 ranked 22 for me. Great opening track for one of the better album.
The Dance of Eternity took the 11th spot on my list. Love this.... complex and interresting with great throwbacks to Met part 1.
Overture 1928.... not ranked? What happened? It should have been around the 50 mark or something.
My ranking so far
6 Another Day (38)
8 One Last Time (46)
11 The Dance of Eternity (33)
19 The Silent Man (66)
22 6:00 (34)
21 Caught In a Web (51
27 Wait For Sleep (44t)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
37 Our New World (93)
38 Innocence Faded (42)
40 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (35)
41 A View from the Top of the World (49t)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
47 Lie (47t)
48 Erotomania (40)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
61 At Wit's End ( 37)
62 Stream of Consciousness (39)
73 As I Am (43)
74 The Root of All Evil(36)
75 The Alien (69)
77 A Nightmare To Remember (49t)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
86 Peruvian Skies (44t)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Highest ranker of
8 One Last Time (46)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52), This Dying Soul (47t), Disappear (41), Overture 1928 (32)
Rated: 37
Not rated: 29
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49t. A View From The Top Of The World (NR) I gave this song 5 chances and I was never impressed. I do intend to give it more chances, maybe it'll click one day.
49t. A Nightmare To Remember (68th) Much of this song is pretty good, and then Beautiful Agony is many tiers above it. It's too long, though.
47t. Lie (72nd) Really cool song, maybe should be higher for me, and the instrumental rocks.
47t. This Dying Soul (34th) The moment that riff hits and the band comes in...come on! So good! Lots to like, a great part of the 12SS.
46. One Last Time (74th) Yeah, not a SFAM fan. I do plan to give it a spin to see if it finally clicks. Maybe!
44t. Peruvian Skies (95th) Meh, it's aight.
44t. Wait For Sleep (37th) Just beautiful, I still remember the first time hearing it. Really impressed then and just as much now.
43. As I Am (15th) I LOVE this song and I am pretty surprised it is this low. One of my first DT songs so maybe I am biased. The prechorus is one of the coolest parts and the chorus is really cool. The guitar solo ending on chords ringing out is such a little twist.
42. Innocence Faded (16th) This song has grown tremendously on me. It all flows so well, and the instrumental is killer.
41. Disappear (39th) Great song, I don't often go to listen but it's always a great and sad song.
40. Erotomania (46th) Very cool instrumental.
39. Stream Of Consciousness (12th) Best instrumental. Best DT song to play on the bass.
38. Another Day (24th) Not an instrumental, but a top 3 ballad-y type song from DT.
37. At Wit's End (NR) Not familiar enough but I think I heard it the other day and liked it.
36. The Root Of All Evil (18th) Great song, pretty straightforward but it rocks.
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream (63rd) I get why people like this more than I do. It's a great song, but in the context of the album, it starts to drag and on its own, it isn't what I look for in DT songs usually, while still liking it.
34. 6:00 (32nd) Close to the consensus. One of the strongest choruses ever?
33. The Dance Of Eternity (45th) Great song, maybe overrated like the album it comes from.
32. Overture 1928 (55th) See above.
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34. 6:00
Great song, not the best on Awake but it's quite catchy. And while I do like my job, the lyrics reasonate a lot more now than 15 years ago. With all the competition around, it did not go past 51 for me, 17 positions lower.
33. The Dance Of Eternity
Crazy-ass instrumental and melodic enough to keep my interest. Jordan's rag-time breakdown is iconic, also because it was new at the time. As previously said, instrumentals suffer a lot with me so it's 76th place for me, a whoppin' 43 places down.
32. Overture 1928
"It's effective and sets up the theme to Scenes perfectly." So true. Short, to the point, and goosebumps when we can all sing along to the Metropolis theme live. It's hard to think about this separated from Strange Deja Vu, anyway, great start to their utter masterpiece, but it suffered the exact same fate of Dance: 43 places down 'cause it was my 75. Lulz, I was searching it a bit higher in the list, didn't remember it just got the same result of the other SFAM instrumental, just a step above. But I do really like the song, it's just that songs with vocals will be heavily favored in one-to-one comparisons.
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6:00 was my #29. Good God, those first three tracks on Awake are pretty much just as awesome, all of them are pretty close on my list.
The Dance of eternity was my #8. Kudos to ReaPsTA for getting it right. :tup
Overture 1928 was my #28. The other day, I wrote about Stream and Erotomania being their top three instrumentals, but I forgot about Overture 1928. That one would be my 3rd favorite Dream Theater instrumental, and Stream would be my second favorite. I needed to correct myself. :lol
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So far I got quite a few songs out of the list, I'm at 22 and I'm 99% it's final, but my top 20 held up well - only two songs from my 1-20 ranking are already out, 17 and 20. It's the 21-30 slot that took a beating, since only my 25, 26 and 27 are yet to come out.
I guess now I have a clearer picture of which songs of mine won't be there - 6:00 is one I could have doubts about, but it's in and so I give up hopes for a Mangini era slow song, of all the other ones, it's pretty obvious which ones won't be there. Unless you all dislike a big epic and love an outtake..........
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34. 6:00
Highest Finish: 2 (porcacultor)
Number of Lists appeared on: 63 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
33. The Dance Of Eternity
Highest Finish: 8 (Mladen, ReaPsTA)
Number of Lists appeared on: 61 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
32. Overture 1928
Highest Finish: 3 (DragonAttack)
Number of Lists appeared on: 59 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, wolfking, Zydar)
I had 6:00 at #98.
Just sneaked in. This song had the unfortunate fate of being the first DT song I heard after living through Images & Words for over 2 years. It did not live up.
I had The Dance Of Eternity at #34.
This still blows me away.
I had Overture 1928 at #45.
I love this and it's great how it stands on its own so well.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 6:00 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 The Root Of All Evil Transcending Time
95 Lie Behind The Veil
94 New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 Zydar The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot As I Am
84
83
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78 Stream Of Consciousness
77 A Nightmare To Remember
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72
71
70 One Last Time
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58 Wait For Sleep
57
56
55
54 Barstool Warrior
53
52
51 Erotomania
50
49
48
47
46
45 Overture 1928
44 Panic Attack
43 Innocence Faded
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39 A View From The Top Of The World
38 At Wits End
37 Fall Into The Light
36
35 The Gift Of Music
34 The Dance Of Eternity
33 Peruvian Skies
32 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20 This Dying Soul
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15
14 The Best Of Times
13
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10
9
8
7 Disappear
6
5
4 The Killing Hand
3
2
1
53 -16
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My rankings so far:
1. The Spirit Carries On (26) - I cannot listen to this song and not tear up... every single time. I so love this song... so much so that I want an instrumental version of it to be played at my funeral (not joking). It is such a beautiful message, and the JP solo is the very best he has ever played, IMHO. Love the LSFNY version the most. Shocked it wasn't top 10.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8. As I Am (43) - one of my favorite riffs of all-time. Eat My Ass and Balls!
9.
10. Lost Not Forgotten (73) - one of my favorite shred pieces. Wow.
11. Endless Sacrifice (29) - one of my all-time favorites, and indeed second favorite off of ToT. Was pumped when they brought this back live.
12.
13.
14.
15. This Dying Soul (47t) - surprised this didn't get more love.
16. The Root of All Evil (36) - yes I put three 12-step songs back-to-back-to-back. I love them.
17. On the Backs of Angels (56) - really surprised this wasn't higher. What a great opening tune from a surprisingly strong album
18. Peruvian Skies (44t) - loved the version they played on the Octavarium world tour - with Wish You Were Here and Wherever I May Roam embedded. So cool.
19.
20.
21. Hollow Years (59) - love the Budokan version - what a sick solo from JP.
22. A Nightmare to Remember (50) - enjoyed when it recently came back but needed MP singing on it. Beautiful Agony - love it.
23. Panic Attack (55) - my favorite riff off of 8VM. On bass, because, well, DT.
24. Pale Blue Dot (62) - love this song off of D/T. Surprised it wasn't higher.
25.
26. Constant Motion (86) - my favorite off of SC. Love the opening riff. It's infectious to listen to.
27.
28. The Enemy Inside (83t) - as you can see, I tend to overrate the singles because I listen to them more often.
29.
30.
31.
32. The Great Debate (53) - a song about stem cell treatment. Like the other 30 of them already out there (NOT!). Love the live version at Bucharest.
33.
34. Wait for Sleep (44t) - LOVE this on piano. Maybe because I can sort of play it? Hard to think of this without LtL.
35. Outcry (58) - another favorite from ADTOE.
36.
37. At Wit's End (37) - Hey! I got one exactly right! Great tune from D/T.
38. The Alien (69) - only DT can win a Grammy for a song that doesn't make the DTF Top 50. Love it.
39. Overture 1928 (32) - sets the tone for my favorite DT album - if not my favorite overall album of all-time.
40. Stream of Consciousness (39) - almost nailed this one, too!
41. Ytse Jam (67) - awesome instrumental
42.
43.
44. The Silent Man (66) - love the pure acoustic version they did live a few tours ago.
45. The Mirror (27) - absolutely stand out track on Awake... interesting that it is liked so much more than Lie (I view these as a duo).
46. Lie (47t) - Man, I am in sync with this part of the list!
47. One Last Time (46) - see above!
48. Caught in a Web (51) - love the Score version.
49. Another Day (38) - I originally had this about 10 spots higher. Should have left it there!
50. 6:00 - 34 - moved up on my list after hearing live on the last tour...
51. Honor Thy Father (71) - often forget about this ToT classic. Not because it is bad, but just because they have so much incredible material
52. AVFTTOTW (49) - got it about right. On the "Epics" list, it is lower.
53. Barstool Warrior - nearly nailed another one! Very memorable song from D/T.
54. Lines in the Sand (28) - probably ranked this much lower than it deserved.
55.
56. Forsaken (95) - surprised it got such little love. Sure, lyrics are silly, but melody is beautiful.
57. The Gift of Music (98) - One of the few songs I voted for off of The Astonishing. Still holds up well, though.
58.
59.
60. Space-Dye Vest (30) - this song has grown on me; it was cool to hear it live. I wonder if comes back so MP can play it live now that they broke the seal...
61. Sacrificed Sons (63) - almost got this one right, too. Has dropped in recent years, more due to new great songs. Years ago it would have been much higher.
62.
63. Disappear (41) - I wish this song wouldn't disappear from their live repertoire, but is seems to have.
64. New Millenium (87) - Chapman stick! One of the highlights of FII for me.
65. The Ministry of Lost Souls (61) - another that I moved up after their recent live performance of it.
66. Innocence Faded (42) - loved hearing it at Radio City in 2006 (yes, I was there for Score!)
67. Never Enough (100) - would fit nicely into MP's return tour, no?
68. Afterlife (96) - same comment as above re: Score
69.
70. The Dance of Eternity (33) - if you haven't seen MP play this on Drumeo, stop reading and go now. He nails it.
71. Beneath the Surface (64) - in retrospect, this should have been higher. Love this song, another great off of ADTOE.
72.
73.
74. Misunderstood (31) - surprised at how high this was ranked. I guess the whole 1st disc of 6DOIT gets overlooked by the second...
75. The Shattered Fortress (71) - cool ending to the 12-step suite. Please play it live!!!!
76.
77. Behind the Veil (89) - might be a nice MM song to tackle
78.
79. Sleeping Giant (85) - one of the better tracks off of AVFTTOTW
80. Hell's Kitchen (57) - love the nod to their NY roots; cool instrumental. Their YYZ?
81.
82. A Fortune in Lies (78) - had it in about the right spot
83. Our New World (93) - isn't it blasphemy to say that I liked the Lzzy Hale version better?
84.
85.
86. A New Beginning (91) - love the solo on this one
87. Transcending Time (90) - would like to hear it live...
88.
89.
90. The Bigger Picture (60) - asking to be played by MP. Just saying...
91. I Walk Beside You (80) - I sometimes call it I Walk Beside U2 - sounds like they stole the riff from the Edge (who still hasn't found what he is looking for: his bottom 4 strings)
92. Awaken the Master (81) - Awaken the 8-string!
93.
94. The Looking Glass (92) - almost nailed this one, too. A forgotten great track off of DT
95. Fall Into the Light (72) - solid single from D/T.
96. The Dark Eternal Night (70). Never a strong favorite for me. Should have left the original name - NADS
97. These Walls (54) - hope to hear this in 2025 (20th anniversary of 8VM!)
98.
99.
100.
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I really am starting to worry about Bombay Vindaloo, Another Hand and Another Won.
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
091: Caught In a Web 40
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
080: Wait for Sleep 36
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
074: Sacrified Sons 9
073: 6:00 39
072: Erotomania 32
069: Innocence Faded 27
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
065: Another Day 27
063: Disappear 22
062: Peruvian Skies 18
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
056: A Nightmare to Remember 6
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
050: Wither 49
049: Lifting Shadows Off a Dream 14
048: Transcending Time 42
046: Barstool Warrior 6
045: The Root of All Evil 9
044: Ytse Jam 23
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
038: The Dance of Eternity 5
037: The Bigger Picture 23
034: As I Am 9
033: At Wit's End 4
029: Awaken the Master 52
028: Stream of Conciousness 11
027: Honor Thy Father 44
025: Lie 22
024: One Last Time 22
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
014: This Dying Soul 33
010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
007: A View From the Top of the World 42
not ranked: 10 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night / Overture 1928
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40. Erotomania (#13) agree with all the positive compliments
39. Stream Of Consciousness (#92) would prefer it about four minutes shorter
38. Another Day (#21) ‘Better to save the mystery, than surrender to the secret, woah…’ almost spiritual in concert
37. At Wit's End (#18) got teary eyed at the ‘don’t leave me now’ fadeout on my first listen. Felt like I was calling out to my Mom....
36. The Root Of All Evil (#42) solid album opener
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream (#47) nice change of pace on the album
34. 6:00 (#67)
33. The Dance Of Eternity (#27)
32. Overture 1928 (#3) the next song on the LP is my #4.
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6:00 came in at number 40. Always really loved this song. It was a grower but a tremendous opener to a tremendous album.
I had TDOE at number 17. Just amazing and brilliant in every single way. What 4 absolute geniuses to come up with this. It's chaotic as fuck, but still so melodic and memorable.
1928 came in at 31. Perfect opener and some of the best guitar melodies JP ever produced.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 Disappear The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84 Stream Of Consciousness
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77
76
75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
73 One Last Time
72 Peruvian Skies
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63 Panic Attack
62
61 On the Backs of Angels
60
59
58 Afterlife
57 Caught In A Web
56
55
54 The Great Debate
53 A Nightmare to Remember
52 Erotomania
51 Answering the Call
50
49
48 The Shattered Fortress
47
46 As I Am
45
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43
42 Never Enough
41 Wait For Sleep
40 6:00
39
38
37 The Bigger Picture
36 Outcry
35
34 Lie
33
32 I Walk Beside You
31 Overture 1928
30 A View From the Top of the World
29 Surrender to Reason
28 Barstool Warrior
27 Another Day
26
25
24 Innocence Faded
23
22
21
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18
17 The Dance of Eternity
16
15
14
13 These Walls
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2 This Dying Soul.
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6.00 - my rank 35 so missed by 1. Wasn't a big fan of this when it was the first DT song I heard over the awesomeness of I&A. It took a while to grow on me but now I think it is great.
The Dance of Eternity - A completely over the top instrumental that really works. My rank 28.
Overture 1928 - A beautiful piece of music and expertly arranged. This is up there with some of the great Broadway Musical overtures. My rank 33 (also missed by 1).
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I really am starting to worry about Bombay Vindaloo, Another Hand and Another Won.
I'd be worried if Bombay Vindaloo and Another Hand made the top 100.
Another Won on the other hand....
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34. 6:00
As fortune had it, now y'all know my top 1 (CIAW) and my top 2 (this one). What can I say? I know: the dispute between CIAW and 6:00 for my top favorite track is like when you put a ball of sodium in water and the mix becomes completely unstable. I cannot believe how good Awake starts out. Very glad to have seen this one live.
33. The Dance Of Eternity
#53 for me. It's like "the big one", the rocket Sid ties to Buzz Lightyear's back in the first Toy Story movie. This kind of imagery is why I don't get paid to write about music. The ragtime part still makes me pump my fist in the air with joy, what a feat.
32. Overture 1928
#40 for me. For an album with two intro tracks (arguably), they sure feel necessary. Love how organic the weaving of leitmotive feels on this one. One of my last times playing guitar for a music school thing involved this track, and I was very much relieved to get the guitar solo part that starts with the One Last Time theme.
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I will say, I've probably only listened to Regression a handful of times in my life. For me SFAM pretty much always starts with Overture 1928.
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34. 6:00
As fortune had it, now y'all know my top 1 (CIAW) and my top 2 (this one). What can I say? I know: the dispute between CIAW and 6:00 for my top favorite track is like when you put a ball of sodium in water and the mix becomes completely unstable. I cannot believe how good Awake starts out. Very glad to have seen this one live.
Nice!
Had 6:00 at #8 (and FFIW had CIAW #6)
Lots of love for Awake :metal
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34. 6:00 (49). Has a great intro that pulls you right into the music. Groovy song and always a fun listen.
33. The Dance of Eternity (42). While I like SoC more, this is pretty much the quintessential DT instrumental. The overwhelming time changes, the first Jordan ragtime solo. A classic track.
32. Overture 1928 (81). As far as overtures go, this is one of the best I've heard. Introduces the main themes while flowing smoothly between them, and to top it all off you get the transition at the end directly into Strange Deja Vu. It's lower on my list purely by virtue of being an overture, but they did a very good here.
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Am I the only person here who hates the ragtime sections of Rudess’s work?
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Am I the only person here who hates the ragtime sections of Rudess’s work?
Depends. During The Dance of Eternity it fits quite well, with the song being a crazy instrumental and that section giving a little nod to the 20's vibe. A circus break in the middle of Endless Sacrifice however is absolutely out of place and does nothing for the song.
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6:00 - #99 - barely made my list, although I listened to Awake yesterday during my run and honestly this one could've been a bit higher.
The Dance of Eternity - #74 - nice instrumental piece with some crazy time signature changes. I like it but not a big fan.
Overture 1928 - #43 - now that's a proper way to do an overture. Great track, always has me pumped for the rest of SFAM.
No confirmation from our benevolent overlord, but I'm certain we'll see no more songs from View, WDADU and TA. Poor TA; quite a pitiful showing. It beat out WDADU in the last countdown and got 10 songs in the mix, 7 of which finished above 90. This time, only 3 songs and none above 90.
Well, it was certaintly not my fault! I'll probably be the highest ranker for 4-5 songs in the end....
Eh, I tried as well. 26 TA songs ranked, the 3 highest ones at 18, 19 and 21.
I had 12 or 13 songs from The Astonishing, 4 of them in my Top 50. I'm genuinely surprised Three Days didn't make it. And two songs I don't really like (The Gift of Music and Our New World) did make it. :lol
Oh and did Moment of Betrayal not make it also? I'm surprised about that too.
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6:00 - #99 - barely made my list, although I listened to Awake yesterday during my run and honestly this one could've been a bit higher.
The Dance of Eternity - #74 - nice instrumental piece with some crazy time signature changes. I like it but not a big fan.
Overture 1928 - #43 - now that's a proper way to do an overture. Great track, always has me pumped for the rest of SFAM.
No confirmation from our benevolent overlord, but I'm certain we'll see no more songs from View, WDADU and TA. Poor TA; quite a pitiful showing. It beat out WDADU in the last countdown and got 10 songs in the mix, 7 of which finished above 90. This time, only 3 songs and none above 90.
Well, it was certaintly not my fault! I'll probably be the highest ranker for 4-5 songs in the end....
Eh, I tried as well. 26 TA songs ranked, the 3 highest ones at 18, 19 and 21.
I had 12 or 13 songs from The Astonishing, 4 of them in my Top 50. I'm genuinely surprised Three Days didn't make it. And two songs I don't really like (The Gift of Music and Our New World) did make it. :lol
Oh and did Moment of Betrayal not make it also? I'm surprised about that too.
Did my bit too 23 songs ranked, 8 top 50 with the highest at 26.
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rank - song - my rank
34 - 6:00 - 52 - great opener to one of my favorite albums
33 - the dance of eternity - 37 - really fun live
32 - overture 1928 - 32 - beautiful guitar work and another great 'opener' to another favorite
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DTF Me
37. At Wit's End 16 Yup, it's that good.
36. The Root Of All Evil 63 Victim of the ranker? Should be higher.
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream 41 Love the composition. Strangely, JLB's performance keeps it from scoring higher.
34. 6:00 69 What I'll probably be doing at that time on a Xmas morning.
33. The Dance Of Eternity 9 Heavily nostalgic and still jaw dropping after all these years.
32. Overture 1928 33 A concise and memorable Overture. They should all be constructed this way.
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Update!
31. Misunderstood
Highest Finish: 3 (Podaar)
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Most days this is my favorite song off Six Degrees. Misunderstood shows that DT can write a great, straight-ahead rock song with a catchy chorus. The only thing that drags the song down IMO is the ending.
30. Space-Dye Vest
Highest Finish: 1 (MoraWintersoul)
Number of Lists appeared on: 58 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I used to love this song but it's aged pretty poorly of the years.
29. Endless Sacrifice
Highest Finish: 5 (Cool Chris)
Number of Lists appeared on: 65 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Great song, I'm glad I got to see this song live two tours ago.
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Two of these are in my top ten!
Misunderstood - #93 - ehh. Not really a fan, but it's not a bad song.
Space-Dye Vest - #6 - one of the best DT songs ever. It's unlike anything DT has ever done and it's amazing. Best song off Awake. Never thought I'd see it live but I did in 2014, front row, which remains my favourite DT gig ever.
Endless Sacrifice - #9 - now that's perfect metal from DT. I'm not a big fan of the first two songs on ToT but this rocks hard. From tranquil verses to banging choruses, this song is exactly what I like in heavy DT. The ending is incredible (great vocal melodies from JLB) and btw the screeching guitar noise doesn't bother me at all—it's part of the whole metal package for me. When this song ends as I listen to ToT and HTF starts, I wish I could listen to this song again instead of HTF.
30. Space-Dye Vest
Highest Finish: 1 (MoraWintersoul)
29. Endless Sacrifice
Highest Finish: 5 (Cool Chris)
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49t. A View From The Top Of The World (NR) I gave this song 5 chances and I was never impressed. I do intend to give it more chances, maybe it'll click one day.
49t. A Nightmare To Remember (68th) Much of this song is pretty good, and then Beautiful Agony is many tiers above it. It's too long, though.
47t. Lie (72nd) Really cool song, maybe should be higher for me, and the instrumental rocks.
47t. This Dying Soul (34th) The moment that riff hits and the band comes in...come on! So good! Lots to like, a great part of the 12SS.
46. One Last Time (74th) Yeah, not a SFAM fan. I do plan to give it a spin to see if it finally clicks. Maybe!
44t. Peruvian Skies (95th) Meh, it's aight.
44t. Wait For Sleep (37th) Just beautiful, I still remember the first time hearing it. Really impressed then and just as much now.
43. As I Am (15th) I LOVE this song and I am pretty surprised it is this low. One of my first DT songs so maybe I am biased. The prechorus is one of the coolest parts and the chorus is really cool. The guitar solo ending on chords ringing out is such a little twist.
42. Innocence Faded (16th) This song has grown tremendously on me. It all flows so well, and the instrumental is killer.
41. Disappear (39th) Great song, I don't often go to listen but it's always a great and sad song.
40. Erotomania (46th) Very cool instrumental.
39. Stream Of Consciousness (12th) Best instrumental. Best DT song to play on the bass.
38. Another Day (24th) Not an instrumental, but a top 3 ballad-y type song from DT.
37. At Wit's End (NR) Not familiar enough but I think I heard it the other day and liked it.
36. The Root Of All Evil (18th) Great song, pretty straightforward but it rocks.
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream (63rd) I get why people like this more than I do. It's a great song, but in the context of the album, it starts to drag and on its own, it isn't what I look for in DT songs usually, while still liking it.
34. 6:00 (32nd) Close to the consensus. One of the strongest choruses ever?
33. The Dance Of Eternity (45th) Great song, maybe overrated like the album it comes from.
32. Overture 1928 (55th) See above.
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31. Misunderstood (27th) I love this song, the only gripe is the outro goes on too long. The laid back verse into the that winding up prechorus into that emotional chorus is just so good.
30. Space-Dye Vest (44th) Lovely song, very different for DT at a time that they were heading into some major changes. I heard the live version not too long ago and that was also great.
29. Endless Sacrifice (10th) I am glad I wasn't the highest ranker. What Evermind said is basically what I think as well (except that I do like all of ToT). This is what DT metal should try and be much of the time. It doesn't try too hard like some other songs.
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Am I the only person here who hates the ragtime sections of Rudess’s work?
"Hate" is a strong word but they are not my favorite moments of his playing.
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
155. Hell's Kitchen
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
146. Disappear
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
142. Ytsejam
139. Panic Attack
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
132. Barstool Warrior
125. Stream Of Consciousness
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
109. Outcry
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
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98. Another Day
97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
95. The Great Debate
90. On The Backs Of Angels
85. Constant Motion
84. Beneath The Surface
83. At Wit's End
82. Peruvian Skies
81. Space Dye Vest
80. The Enemy Inside
78. Hollow Years
76. The Shattered Fortress
73. Lie
68. A Nightmare To Remember
67. The Silent Man
66. The Root Of All Evil
62. As I Am
61. These Walls
59. The Gift of Music
57. The Bigger Picture
56. One Last Time
55. Pale Blue Dot
54. Answering The Call
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
48. Endless Sacrifice
46. A New Beginning
44. Forsaken
43. A View From The Top Of The World
41. The Looking Glass
40. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
38. The Dance Of Eternity
36. New Millenium
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
34. Wait For Sleep
33. Transcending Time
31. The Best Of Times
30. Erotomania
28. Our New World
25. Raise The Knife
24. 6:00
23. I Walk Beside You
21. Sacrificed Sons
19. Caught In A Web
14. To Live Forever
9. Innocence Faded
7. This Dying Soul
6. Misunderstood
5. This Is The Life
4. Overture 1928
Two top 10 songs for me!
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Am I the only person here who hates the ragtime sections of Rudess’s work?
"Hate" is a strong word but they are not my favorite moments of his playing.
I didn't mind the first time I heard it but I wouldn't mind never hearing it again.
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It certainly is impressive but it doesn't need to be shoehorned into every song.
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Some catching up to do:
6:00: 91. Didn't appreciate much the heavy turn in '94, but it shines in comparison to the latter heavy turn.
The Dance of Eternity: 55. More awe-inspiring than beautiful, still massively awe-inspiring. It should have been the "having sex" segment inside Home instead of the moanings bit, though.
Overture 1928: 69. Everything a rock-opera overture should be.
Misunderstood: 7. When DT is a wonderful unique way of joining music with words, not just a technical genre.
Space-Dye Vest: 9. Focking ditto.
Endless Sacrifice: 93. Not original enough to rank higher, nice enough to make the cut.
The Score so far:
7 - Misunderstood
9 - Space-Dye Vest
14 - Stream of Consciousness
21 - A New Beginning
23 - Disappear
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
31 - Erotomania
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
42 - Another Day
43 - One Last Time
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
54 - Peruvian Skies
55 - The Dance of Eternity
56 - The Bigger Picture
61 - Wait for Sleep
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
69 - Overture 1928
70 - Innocence Faded
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
76 - Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
77 - At Wit's End
78 - Lie
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
91 - 6:00
92 - The Killing Hand
93 - Endless Sacrifice
95 - Barstool Warrior
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 32
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Rank - Song - My Rank
31 - Misunderstood - 27 - great tune, definitely got a bump up from a fresh listen for this countdown
30 - Space-Dye vest - 92 - toyed w taking this one out when I saw the final ranking.
29 - Endless Sacrifice - 39 - another song that benefitted from the recent live presentation
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Misunderstood ranked 78 in my list. Nice song but nothing special in my view.
Space-Dye Vest a fantastic song that ranked 7th in my list. Unique and beautiful, a favorite of mine that I never thought I would get to see live... luckily I did
Endless Sacrifice took one of the last spaces at 96. Some parts of this I really like some parts I don't.
My ranking so far
6 Another Day (38)
7 Space-Dye Vest (30)
8 One Last Time (46)
11 The Dance of Eternity (33)
19 The Silent Man (66)
22 6:00 (34)
21 Caught In a Web (51
27 Wait For Sleep (44t)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
37 Our New World (93)
38 Innocence Faded (42)
40 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (35)
41 A View from the Top of the World (49t)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
47 Lie (47t)
48 Erotomania (40)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
61 At Wit's End ( 37)
62 Stream of Consciousness (39)
73 As I Am (43)
74 The Root of All Evil(36)
75 The Alien (69)
77 A Nightmare To Remember (49t)
78 Misunderstood (31)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
86 Peruvian Skies (44t)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
96 Endless Sacrifice (29)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Highest ranker of
8 One Last Time (46)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52), This Dying Soul (47t), Disappear (41), Overture 1928 (32)
Rated: 40
Not rated: 29
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So glad to see you my thread, it’s been a while.
Wow... you leave this for a weekish, and it's a bear to catchup. Just spent the last 90 minutes reading and writing to get current. Thank you for indulging my triple post.
Barstool Warrior … 41. Love this tune, one of my faves from DoT
Caught In A Web … 99, just sneaking in. James at his (pre rupture) worst. What teh fuck is he even saying? I’ve read the lyric sheet many many times, and still his mumbling trumps any recollection I have of what the actual lyrics are.
A Nightmare To Remember. 69. There are a lot of great moments in this song. I’m pleasantly surprised it’s this high, tbh. I thought there were a lot more haters here … though I suspect that’s all for Mike soliloquy and raaawwwrrr!!!!!. James’ delivery in the Hopelessly drifiting section(s) are the 2nd best thing on the album (only falling behind JPs solos in TBoT). “In peaceful sedation …” could be his best ‘post rupture’ moment. Absolutely gorgeous lyrics too. As I look at some of the songs I ranked ahead of this, I think this was a miss on my partner.
A View … Not rated. Listening to it now, it’s not terrible, but as far as epics go, it seems to be on par with Illumination Theory (ie, the least best of their songs >15 mins). The last 5 minutes were entirely forgettable. (edit… methinks recency bias is a good part of the reason 6/7 songs from this album are represented. Come back in three years, and I'd not be at all shocked if that number was halved.
Lie … 81. it’s not the worst thing on Awake!
This Dying Soul…55. It goes on longer than it needs to, imo, but still a fantastic song, and middle of the pack from the 12-step suite. IMO, that outro unison is one of finest in DTs catalogue.
One Last Time … 84. This is a nice little ballad-esque/segue connecting The Dance of Eternity to The Spirit Carries on. How it's a Top 50 tune, I'm unsure.
Peruvian Skies … 67. Yup, it's Pink Floyd is heads, and Metallica is tails. Flip a coin. First time I saw it live, we got an excerpt of Wherever I May Roam
Wait for Sleep … 37. Wait for Sleep: 61. A delight. I have already "proven" elsewhere this song is the Rosetta Stone for I&W.
Indeed you have. This jumped about 20 spots after I read your "Scene" for this song. Honestly, it was the 2nd weakest I&W song for my liking until I read that post - that post was life altering (and not because I was about 4 or 5 fingers into my scotch that evening). It's still middle of the pack in rating I&W songs, but that just speaks to the strength of I&W (my #1 Album of All Time).
As I Am … 40. Maybe a bit to high, but it's a cracker, doesn't wear out its welcome, and has some very clever lyrical usage. I love this. Plus, I watched the fuck out of L@B in 2005, so I adore pretty much everything from that setlist. Except for one song that got ruined by the L@B performance.
Innocence Faded … 85 - still not the worst from Awake.. But almost.
Disappear … 91. Never really clicked with this song.
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Erotomania…. 14 - my favorite instrumental Was thrilled to finally get to see it on ProgNation 2009. Kay… great story!
Stream Of Consciousness… 34. Another beauty of an instrumental. There are so many fabulous parts to it, but it does over-stay its welcome - as many others have said. I used to rate this a fair bit higher. And there is no way this is comparable to DT's discography the way LVS is to Rush. Sorry Paul, it just isn't. @ Dave_M… never heard or knew of that SoC contest. Very cool!
Another Day… 46. 2nd least best song on I&W. I can't believe Zydar wasn't rated by 3 users!! Blasphemy!
At Wit's End… 38. My final entry on DoT. Great intro. The outro is largely unnecessary, though.
The Root Of All Evil… 30. Not surprising that it's the 2nd highest rated of the 12-Step Suite, but I could easily say it’s the most enjoyable of the bunch. Concise, and not nearly as … pretentious?? … as the other pieces of that suite. Kade's comment for this was spot on.
Lifting Shadows Off A Dream … 56. Shame it rates this low, but I just don't see much above it that I would supplant for it. As Stads and Tim said, simply beautiful. Amazing vocal performance by James.
6:00…63. It's an annual ritual, for most of us I suspect. Pretty good opening track to the album. Not the worst song from Awake!
The Dance Of Eternity…43. Instrumental wankery at it's finest. They threw everything from the SFAM leftover pile into this, and made a song that actually makes sense out of it. Man, porcacultor has some hot takes - is he leading the "highest ranking" count so far??
Overture 1928… 25. Why SDV doesn't immediately follow this I'm unclear. One simply does not rate it without Strange déjà vu.
Misunderstood… 83. Meh, like Disappear, this never clicked with me, though I have come to appreciate more over the years.
Space-Dye Vest… 61. Color me stunned it rates this high. Without a doubt, the 2nd best SDV
Endless Sacrifice… 7. Just missed the top spot to Chris. This song spoke to me very hard for my life circumstances as my kids were growing up. There is nothing about this song I don't absolutely love - even the parts that some here absolutely detest. I love the visual mix from L@B. Seeing them pull this out on ADTOE, and Mangini being faithful to MP's performance, while also throwing in some of his own flair, was one of my favorite DT concert moments ever. Hi five to Chris, Ruslan, James, and all others that rated this Top 10 material. I weep for the one of you that didn't rate it (there were 66 list submissions, yes?)
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No confirmation from our benevolent overlord, but I'm certain we'll see no more songs from View, WDADU and TA. Poor TA; quite a pitiful showing. It beat out WDADU in the last countdown and got 10 songs in the mix, 7 of which finished above 90. This time, only 3 songs and none above 90.
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... and completely accurate. Invariably, there was some serious recency bias in the last countdown, as there was with DoT (all 5 songs dropped - at least 13 spots, and at most 29 spots). I've no doubt the ratings from the songs off A View are also propped up with some recency bias.
No confirmation from our benevolent overlord, but I'm certain we'll see no more songs from View, WDADU and TA. Poor TA; quite a pitiful showing. It beat out WDADU in the last countdown and got 10 songs in the mix, 7 of which finished above 90. This time, only 3 songs and none above 90.
Well, it was certaintly not my fault! I'll probably be the highest ranker for 4-5 songs in the end....
I'll tried too - For WADADU! I have a feeling that (other than my #1), I'll not be the highest ranker for any other song other than co-#1 with Animal for A Fortune In Lies. Outside chance that 2 songs in my Top 10 might be uniquely ranked.
Eh, I tried as well. 26 TA songs ranked, the 3 highest ones at 18, 19 and 21.
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40. Erotomania 56 I didn't usually skip anything on Awake when it came out, but if I skipped anything it was this. Maybe I just wanted to get to Voices faster.
39. Stream Of Consciousness 15 Surprised it was this high. Really the only instrumental of theirs I love.
38. Another Day 36 A favorite from the time of release, but has not aged as well as others from the album. 30 years later and I still don't know how I feel about that sax. Some days I love it; others... eh...…
37. At Wit's End 23 Easily the best song from DoT upon release, and remains as such. Rated it higher last time around and expected it to fall.
36. The Root Of All Evil 22 The highlight of the radically uneven 12SS. Seeing the full band tear in to the opening of this with all the lights hitting at teh start of SCORE is one of my favorite DT moments.
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream 44 Maybe my least favorite from Awake (not counting Erotomania) when it came out, and possibly maybe even now, and it still cracks the top 50.
34. 6:00 43
33. The Dance Of Eternity 62 A fine instrumental break at the right spot in a great album. Nothing more.
32. Overture 1928 NR Maybe an oversight but this song falls in the "never did much for me" category.
31. Misunderstood 20 Great song, and yes... the outro...
30. Space-Dye Vest 19 There might not be a more appropriate place for any DT song than having SDV at the end of Awake.
29. Endless Sacrifice 5 I called being this song's highest ranker.
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Misunderstood - 65
Space-Dye Vest - 30
Endless Sacrifice - 89
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At Wit's End- I had this a bit higher at #22. Barstool Warrior is my favorite from Distance Over Time, but At Wit's End is not far behind it. JLB shines on this one, just a great example of DT working in that 8-10 minute range.
The Root of All Evil - Very close to the consensus, #32 on my list. It just barely edged out The Shattered Fortress for second place in my rankings of the 12SS songs. A cool intro, some rocking riffs, and the vocal melodies are catchy by DT standards.
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream- I had this up at #26. I'm pleasantly surprised it finished as high in the overall results as it did, I feel like it's an overlooked gem on Awake. Those vocal harmonies towards the end give me chills every time.
6:00- Just missed it, #35 for me. This was another one from Awake I'm happy to see finished as high as it did. MP, KM, and JLB all kill it in particular :metal
The Dance of Eternity- I finished with this at the hef spot (#42). This song is just the most Dream Theater that Dream Theater could cram into a 6 minute instrumental.
Overture 1928- My favorite DT instrumental, I had it up at #17. Just a perfect way to start my all time favorite album. JP's lead playing here is just fantastic.
Misunderstood- I was quite a bit lower than average, I had this down at #82. Most of the song is good (especially the chorus), and a slightly different sound than we're used to from Dream Theater. They lose me a fair bit with the outro though.
Space Dye Vest- Another near miss, I put it at #29. Such a unique song in Dream Theater's catalog, I'm glad KM got this on the album before he bailed on the band :lol
Endless Sacrifice- A shocker for me, I had this at #65 and would've guessed I'd probably be on the high side. This is a song where you can levy some criticisms against it (bloated, disjointed, wankery for wankery's sake, etc...) and I couldn't necessarily refute them, more just shrug and say that the song still works for me. It was a highlight of the set on their last headlining tour.
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I thought I read people loved ES on the old forums when it came out. Maybe I am misremembering.
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31. Misunderstood
Very nice song, the ending is wasting three minutes of running time, but otherwise it's an excellent song that made felt Six Degrees daring and expanding in all musical horizons. Landed at 54 for me, 23 positions lower.
30. Space-Dye Vest
AMAZING song, moody somber piano pallad, haunting and delicate, Kevin Moore's musical testament with DT. Even when in 2014 they were doing the second half of Awake live, I was so sure that Portnoy's edict of not playing the song live would stand, and I was genuinely surprised and floored to hear it. Masterpiece to close a masterpiece album, it finished at 18 for me, 12 positions higher.
Congrats Moira for loving it more than all the rest!
29. Endless Sacrifice
Another great and touching song. Not a fan of the big wanky solo section (why oh why do I have to hear a circus breakdown in the middle of a song about long distance relationships? guys, keep LTE's mindset for LTE when you're writing solo sections, don't just jam the first thing that crosses your minds only because you're able to), with a more focused transition from the slow part to the fast one I would have called this a perfect masterpiece.
Anyway, I love the song, glad to hear it again last time around, and I ranked it 25th, just 4 positions higher. On any other day it could gain 2-3 spots.
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29. Endless Sacrifice
Another great and touching song. Not a fan of the big wanky solo section (why oh why do I have to hear a circus breakdown in the middle of a song about long distance relationships? guys, keep LTE's mindset for LTE when you're writing solo sections, don't just jam the first thing that crosses your minds only because you're able to), with a more focused transition from the slow part to the fast one I would have called this a perfect masterpiece.
Don't forget the music is written loooooonnnnnnng before lyrics are written.
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Misunderstood has an AMAZING beginning, one of their greatest soundscapes, and if the rest of the song was that good it would be in the top 20. Not a fan of the outro. Endless Sacrifice seems to have more energy live but pretty awesome tune nonetheless with plenty of bloat like all of latter MP-era #1.
5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
9 The Great Debate
11 Outcry
12 Overture 1928
16 One Last Time
20 Lost Not Forgotten
22 A View From the Top of the World
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
28 Fall Into the Light
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
33 Disappear
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
42 The Root of All Evil
46 Misunderstood
48 A Fortune in Lies
52 Barstool Warrior
51 Our New World
53 At Wit's End
54 Wither
55 The Alien
56 Lifting Shadows off a Dream
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
59 Innocence Faded
61 I Walk Beside You
62 Endless Sacrifice
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
65 Wait for Sleep
66 The Bigger Picture
67 A Nightmare to Remember
68 Sleeping Giant
70 The Ministry of Lost Souls
72 The Dance of Eternity
75 Panic Attack
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
93 Another Day
95 On the Backs of Angels
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen, These Walls, Caught in a Web, Lie, This Dying Soul, Peruvian Skies, As I Am, Erotomania, Stream of Consciousness, 6:00, Space-Dye Vest
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time, Outcry
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Single version of Misunderstood >>>> Album version of Misunderstood
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Misunderstood is one I don’t often find myself wanting to listen to, but when I hear it I usually enjoy it. I do really like the atmospheric versus, but I’m not a huge fan of the shouty chorus. It’s fine, but not one of DT’s finest moments either. The solos are more interesting than enjoyable. But I appreciate the creativity that went into the track.
Space Dye Vest is amazing and holds up just fine for me. Love the lyrics, love the samples, love KM’s playing throughout. Like Waits for Sleep it’s another deceptively complex piano part that drives the song along. Even though it’s a pretty dense studio piece with lots of layers of sound, at its core it’s a really lovely piano piece.
Endless Noodling is one of my least favorite DT songs.
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Single version of Misunderstood >>>> Album version of Misunderstood
I think I agree with this (or at least I think it’s a rare instance where a DT radio edit works well).
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Falling behind again!
I've gotta catch up with the last 6, but they all made my list.
6:00 was fairly low down on my list, at #88. It's peak Awake weirdness, and although I quite like parts of it, it falls a little short for me.
After my initial obsession with DT I lost interest periodically, but when I rediscovered my love for the band, it was Scenes From a Memory that I was spinning religiously. This song sums up one side of why I love this album so much. This has the technical side of the album covered, and gets weird without ever feeling weird for the sake of it. Each instrument gets to shine, and boy do they shine. I had it at #17, amazing song!
Overture 1928 is the other side of what makes Scenes From a Memory so great, it has the melody, and some of the best melodies of their entire career. I had it #12, and as an instrumental intro, that could be seen as being too high, but it just encompasses the feel of the whole album into a perfect 3 and a half minutes. I always have to listen to it with Strange Deja Vu as well, just perfection.
Misunderstood is one of the higher ranking 6DOIT songs for me, I had it at #51. The chorus is basically the high point, buy it is pretty damn good.
I had Space-Dye Vest fairly low as well, which became a trend for Awake songs, even though I do rate the album pretty high. It just crept in at #97. I've always seen songs like this as "what can we do that is totally different to Images and Words?". I guess this as good an example as any!
Lastly, we have Endless Sacrifice at #50. Great riffs, great instrumental sections, it probably should be higher but it just suffers the "ToT Effect".
My ranking so far:
9. Another Day
11. A Nightmare To Remember
12. Overture 1928
13. Wither
15. The Root of All Evil
16. Panic Attack
17. The Dance of Eternity
18. The Dark Eternal Night
20. Never Enough
21. The Ministry of Lost Souls
23. Sacrificed Sons
27. The Best of Times
28. These Walls
29. Constant Motion
30. A New Beginning
31. The Shattered Fortress
35. The Enemy Inside
36. I Walk Beside You
40. One Last Time
44. Through Her Eyes
45. The Looking Glass
49. Forsaken
50. Endless Sacrifice
51. Misunderstood
55. Behind the Veil
56. On the Backs of Angels
57. The Bigger Picture
58. Innocence Faded
62. Surrender to Reason
63. Stream of Consciousness
64. Fall Into the Light
65. The Great Debate
66. Wait For Sleep
67. As I Am
69. Ytse Jam
72. Peruvian Skies
73. Honor Thy Father
74. At Wit's End
75. Lie
76. This Dying Soul
77. A View from the Top of the World
80. To Live Forever
82. Barstool Warrior
83. This is the Life
84. Lost Not Forgotten
86. Our New World
88. 6:00
89. Erotomania
90. Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
91. Caught In a Web
93. Hollow Years
95. Disappear
96. Beneath the Surface
97. Space-Dye Vest
99. Pale Blue Dot
100. New Millennium
Not ranked:
101. Outcry
104. Hell's Kitchen
109. Vacant
110. The Silent Man
111. Raise The Knife
112. Only a Matter of Time
113. Afterlife
114. A Fortune in Lies
115. The Killing Hand
119. Sleeping Giant
121. Awaken the Master
122. Answering the Call
123. Transcending Time
124. The Alien
125. S2N
140. The Gift of Music
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2 out of 3 ain't bad. Not for making my list but for nailing the position to consensus.
Misunderstood - my number 31 (same as consensus). Lots to love in this song, intro and chorus and the way the song builds but the outro isn't great.
Space-Dye-Vest - my number 30 (same as consensus). Were some people saying this song wasn't going to make it? I thought I read that somewhere...anyway a very different track for DT, extremely somber vibe that I don't think has ever been repeated (which makes sense with Kevin leaving the band).
Endless Sacrifice - first of my top 10 to appear. I ranked this at number 8. Just a brilliant song, love everything about this including the awesome instrumental section. Great song live.
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31. Misunderstood
Highest Finish: 3 (Podaar)
Number of Lists appeared on: 60 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
30. Space-Dye Vest
Highest Finish: 1 (MoraWintersoul)
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29. Endless Sacrifice
Highest Finish: 5 (Cool Chris)
Number of Lists appeared on: 65 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had Misunderstood as Not Rated.
I suppose if I redid my list, it could squeak in. It's just not a song that I really care for all that much.
Don't think I've ever heard the radio edit. Oh, and that outro is useless.
I had Space Dye Vest at #5.
One of my favorite DT songs. On my first listen to Awake, it wasn't until I got to Space Dye Vest where I thought... Jeez, here's the band I fell in love with on I&W.
I had Endless Sacrifice at #13.
I know the instrumental part catches a lot of grief, but I love it. It would be a very average sing without it.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 6:00 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 The Root Of All Evil Transcending Time
95 Lie Behind The Veil
94 New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 Zydar The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot As I Am
84 Misunderstood
83
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78 Stream Of Consciousness
77 A Nightmare To Remember
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72
71
70 One Last Time
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58 Wait For Sleep
57
56
55
54 Barstool Warrior
53
52
51 Erotomania
50
49
48
47
46
45 Overture 1928
44 Panic Attack
43 Innocence Faded
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39 A View From The Top Of The World
38 At Wits End
37 Fall Into The Light
36
35 The Gift Of Music
34 The Dance Of Eternity
33 Peruvian Skies
32 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20 This Dying Soul
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15
14 The Best Of Times
13 Endless Sacrifice
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10
9
8
7 Disappear
6
5 Space Dye Vest
4 The Killing Hand
3
2
1
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If I never found this forum and its predecessors, the term "circus break" would never have entered my lexicon, let alone my thoughts.
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Misunderstood came in at number 23 for me. I always enjoyed it but the last couple of times I spun the album, it struck a nerve, big time. I fucking love it.
SDV came in at number 49. What an epic, atmospheric piece. The Fourth Wall version makes me like it even more.
ES came in at 25. What a cool song. Lovely chorus and a fucking ripping instrumental section. JP on fucking fire here.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 Disappear The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84 Stream Of Consciousness
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77
76
75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
73 One Last Time
72 Peruvian Skies
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63 Panic Attack
62
61 On the Backs of Angels
60
59
58 Afterlife
57 Caught In A Web
56
55
54 The Great Debate
53 A Nightmare to Remember
52 Erotomania
51 Answering the Call
50
49 Space-Dye Vest
48 The Shattered Fortress
47
46 As I Am
45
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43
42 Never Enough
41 Wait For Sleep
40
39
38
37 The Bigger Picture
36 Outcry
35
34 Lie
33 The Root of All Evil
32 I Walk Beside You
31
30 A View From the Top of the World
29 Surrender to Reason
28 Barstool Warrior
27 Another Day
26 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
25 Endless Sacrifice
24 Innocence Faded
23 Misunderstood
22
21
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18
17
16
15
14
13 These Walls
12 At Wit's End
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2 This Dying Soul.
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Kevin Moore's legacy with Space-Dye Vest is even sad as wonderful. Spot on for me, but could have gain a few spots as well. I absolutely adore this song and think it's great they threw it out there with Breaking the Fourth Wall. One of the most unique songs in their entire discography. And I can't imagine any future song will come even close, in being this sad, simple, gorgious and shameful all in the same handful of minutes.
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
091: Caught In a Web 40
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
080: Wait for Sleep 36
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
074: Sacrified Sons 9
073: 6:00 39
072: Erotomania 32
069: Innocence Faded 27
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
065: Another Day 27
063: Disappear 22
062: Peruvian Skies 18
061: Misunderstood 30
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
056: A Nightmare to Remember 6
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
050: Wither 49
049: Lifting Shadows Off a Dream 14
048: Transcending Time 42
046: Barstool Warrior 6
045: The Root of All Evil 9
044: Ytse Jam 23
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
038: The Dance of Eternity 5
037: The Bigger Picture 23
034: As I Am 9
033: At Wit's End 4
031: Endless Sacrifice 2
030: Space-Dye Vest spot on
029: Awaken the Master 52
028: Stream of Conciousness 11
027: Honor Thy Father 44
025: Lie 22
024: One Last Time 22
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
014: This Dying Soul 33
010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
007: A View From the Top of the World 42
not ranked: 10 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night / Overture 1928
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I had Space Dye Vest at #5.
One of my favorite DT songs. On my first listen to Awake, it wasn't until I got to Space Dye Vest where I thought... Jeez, here's the band I fell in love with on I&W.
This genuinely surprises me!
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I had Space Dye Vest at #5.
One of my favorite DT songs. On my first listen to Awake, it wasn't until I got to Space Dye Vest where I thought... Jeez, here's the band I fell in love with on I&W.
This genuinely surprises me!
I feel like I listened to I&W once a day for over two years by the time Awake came out. That first listen was quite jarring. I literally didn't feel any of the magic or originality until I got to Space Dye Vest. It doesn't end up being my favorite song from Awake, but it's a standout track still. And I love the 2014 version of it with the electric guitar solo. Tremendous!
I'm a metal fan, and while I like heavy DT, I don't listen to them for my metal fix. I like the metal spin on Yes, Kansas, 70's Rush. That's the appeal of DT to me.
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34. 6:00
As fortune had it, now y'all know my top 1 (CIAW) and my top 2 (this one). What can I say? I know: the dispute between CIAW and 6:00 for my top favorite track is like when you put a ball of sodium in water and the mix becomes completely unstable. I cannot believe how good Awake starts out. Very glad to have seen this one live.
Nice!
Had 6:00 at #8 (and FFIW had CIAW #6)
Lots of love for Awake :metal
Hell yeah, mate! :metal
Now let's get down to business:
31. Misunderstood
21 for me. One of my favorite choruses in the band's career. Great management of dynamics and intensity too, excellent reprises (the different ways in which James sings the "Playing a lion being led to a cage (...)" part are fantastic)... a lot to love here for me.
30. Space-Dye Vest
My #5. Almost at :mora: levels! [But precisely at TAC levels, wow!] Would absolutely live with it being my top 1. Can't decide whether I prefer the sample-based section in this one or Honor Thy Father. I've never seen Room with a View, but when Julian Sands died I felt terrible because his voice on the scene that got sampled is so ingrained in my heart thanks to this song.
Seeing this live was the highlight of the 2014 concert I saw. (I kinda wish O.S.I. re-recorded this track just so we could have another pass of KM doing the vox (he's kinda buried in the demo version that I've heard))
29. Endless Sacrifice
#54 for me. A mighty fine ToT track. What a gloomy trio, I love it!
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I had Space Dye Vest at #5.
One of my favorite DT songs. On my first listen to Awake, it wasn't until I got to Space Dye Vest where I thought... Jeez, here's the band I fell in love with on I&W.
This genuinely surprises me!
I feel like I listened to I&W once a day for over two years by the time Awake came out. That first listen was quite jarring. I literally didn't feel any of the magic or originality until I got to Space Dye Vest. It doesn't end up being my favorite song from Awake, but it's a standout track still. And I love the 2014 version of it with the electric guitar solo. Tremendous!
I'm a metal fan, and while I like heavy DT, I don't listen to them for my metal fix. I like the metal spin on Yes, Kansas, 70's Rush. That's the appeal of DT to me.
Yep, so good.
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I had Space Dye Vest at #5.
One of my favorite DT songs. On my first listen to Awake, it wasn't until I got to Space Dye Vest where I thought... Jeez, here's the band I fell in love with on I&W.
This genuinely surprises me!
I feel like I listened to I&W once a day for over two years by the time Awake came out. That first listen was quite jarring. I literally didn't feel any of the magic or originality until I got to Space Dye Vest. It doesn't end up being my favorite song from Awake, but it's a standout track still. And I love the 2014 version of it with the electric guitar solo. Tremendous!
I'm a metal fan, and while I like heavy DT, I don't listen to them for my metal fix. I like the metal spin on Yes, Kansas, 70's Rush. That's the appeal of DT to me.
It's just such an artsy song, like something Peter Gabriel or Tori Amos or Steven Wilson would do.
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Artsy can tend to be out of my comfort zone for sure, so I guess it just depends.
When Awake came out, I was already a huge DT fan.
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I had Space Dye Vest at #5.
One of my favorite DT songs. On my first listen to Awake, it wasn't until I got to Space Dye Vest where I thought... Jeez, here's the band I fell in love with on I&W.
This genuinely surprises me!
I feel like I listened to I&W once a day for over two years by the time Awake came out. That first listen was quite jarring. I literally didn't feel any of the magic or originality until I got to Space Dye Vest. It doesn't end up being my favorite song from Awake, but it's a standout track still. And I love the 2014 version of it with the electric guitar solo. Tremendous!
I'm a metal fan, and while I like heavy DT, I don't listen to them for my metal fix. I like the metal spin on Yes, Kansas, 70's Rush. That's the appeal of DT to me.
This is exactly me as well. After 2 years of I&A, my first listen to Awake was also really tough. I was thinking one hit wonder at the time! haha! But Space-Dye-Vest was immediately awesome. And now I have two Awake songs in my top 10 (yet to be revealed).
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I remember that general reaction to Awake from the fanbase at large when it first came out but I wasn’t understanding it at all. Now…when I heard Lie on the radio a few days before it came out, I was a bit skeptical (and to this day it’s the only song from Awake that I don’t care for) but when I actually got the album I was thrilled.
EDIT - I should add that when Mike said “balls and chunk is where it’s at” on the LIT home video, I figured immediately that the next album would end up being heavier. I was also ecstatic that they had turned the “Puppies on Acid” intro to Take the Time into its own song.
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When Awake came out I had been listening to I&W more than any other album in my life (Hysteria may be the exception - sorry TAC), and I loved Awake right away. I got that it was different, but it felt like a natural progression from the band with a clear direction forward.
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Must have been in the minority as after plenty time with I&W, weirdly Awake was another instant love for me. While love them about the same and I'd argue I&W the better and more complete album, Awake has probably been my go-to DT for many a year now ;)
And just quickly on the circus bullshit DT pushed out on future/later albums, as have mentioned here before, +1 hate it and defs a couple otherwise quality songs ruined for me.
Misunderstood #61
Space-Dye-Vest #56
Endless Sacrifice #57
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interesting take on Awake TAC. I discovered them both just last couple of years, but when in your case I would probably feel the same. Where Images and Words has a more uplifting understream... Awake has a far more dark and depressing mood. With Voices as a psychodelic stand-out. Not easy to digest, unless you're living in the same headspace.
As for the countdown, ReaperKK how many song made everyones list? I pressume only Metropolis pt.I and Pull Me Under could be...
Myself however, I don't believe there's any song in the entire list that I am the highest ranker, except my #1. Where I'll believe at least 5 others will join that honor.
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Misunderstood was my #78. Not a song I play every too often, but when I do, I really enjoy it. That guitar solo is spectacular.
Space-dye vest was my #35. Wonderful song, one of their best ballads.
Endless sacrifice was my #82. Damn good stuff. :tup
We're getting to a point where pretty much every song moving forward was a part of my list. That's really cool.
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31. Misunderstood (Unranked). I do feel bad about not having this on my list, because it's from one of my favourite DT albums, and the lyrics here are some of their best. That being said, this song has just never quite clicked with me. I listened to it again today, and my thoughts are still the same. Love the intro, but then after the first chorus, it starts to wander a bit for me. I haven't given up on this yet, and hope that one day it will click. On the bright side, this should be the last song on the list that I did not rank.
30. Space-Dye Vest (20). I have already gushed about Vacant and Disappear, and this song is essentially their progenitor. Once again both a dark and beautiful affair. It also ranks higher than the two follow-ups for the dramatic and heartbreaking climax. I remember my surprise when I heard this at the end of Awake - it was like nothing they had done before. Of course, ending the album with Scarred would be a logical choice, but I am so glad they did this one instead. I just don't think it would have had the same impact if it was not the last track. You listen to it, and then the album's over, and you just sit in silence for a few moments and think about the song.
29. Endless Sacrifice (13). Similar to what others have said, this is heavy DT at some of its best. It avoids the pitfalls that these types of songs so often fall into. The first half of this is my favourite part, wonderful vocals from James and nice piano throughout. I find that Jordan sometimes seems to disappear during the heavier songs, so it is nice to hear him clearly. The memorable chorus is a nice contrast to the softer verses. Everyone sounds solid as they are shredding away during the instrumental section. A great closing riff from JP finishes things off. I remember this was not a song I would have initially guessed to be in my top 20, but listening to it again it feels right.
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Update!
28. Lines In The Sand
Highest Finish: 4 (devieira73, Indiscipline)
Number of Lists appeared on: 55 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking)
I really love this song, yet it would be so much better without Dug Pinnick's vocals. He really bugs me, DT should release a mix without him on there :lol
27. The Mirror
Highest Finish: 2 (Setlist Scotty)
Number of Lists appeared on: 62 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Amazing riff with JP's 7-string. A good but not great song but me, I just think it's aged really poorly, especially those synth sounds.
26. The Spirit Carries On
Highest Finish: 1 (DragonAttack, mariner, twosuitsluke)
Number of Lists appeared on: 59 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Blegh. I've made my dislike of this song known throughout the years. I just don't think DT is great at writing ballads, and I think this is one of the worst they've written. I will say the Dreamsonic version of the song was probably my favorite rendition of the song.
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Nice to see three people had TSCO at #1, I had it as high as #6. It's one of their most beautiful and emotional songs ever. Along with one of JPs finest solos he's ever done. Once again - I don't get the hate.
Meanwhile, Lines In The Sand didn't rank for me. I think what ruins it for me is the chorus along with Doug Pinnick's guest vocals. Cool intro though, but overall the song just doesn't do it for me.
The Mirror is one beast of a song, that great Puppies-riff gets me going every time. It ranked #24 for me.
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
155. Hell's Kitchen
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
146. Disappear
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
142. Ytsejam
139. Panic Attack
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
132. Barstool Warrior
127. Lines In The Sand. Could be as many as 50 spots higher without the wailing from Doug Pinnick.
125. Stream Of Consciousness
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
109. Outcry
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
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98. Another Day
97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
95. The Great Debate
90. On The Backs Of Angels
85. Constant Motion
84. Beneath The Surface
83. At Wit's End
82. Peruvian Skies
81. Space Dye Vest
80. The Enemy Inside
78. Hollow Years
76. The Shattered Fortress
73. Lie
69. The Mirror
68. A Nightmare To Remember
67. The Silent Man
66. The Root Of All Evil
65. The Spirit Carries On. I don't know if I've used this word before, but "beautiful". :)
62. As I Am
61. These Walls
59. The Gift of Music
57. The Bigger Picture
56. One Last Time
55. Pale Blue Dot
54. Answering The Call
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
48. Endless Sacrifice
46. A New Beginning
44. Forsaken
43. A View From The Top Of The World
41. The Looking Glass
40. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
38. The Dance Of Eternity
36. New Millenium
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
34. Wait For Sleep
33. Transcending Time
31. The Best Of Times
30. Erotomania
28. Our New World
25. Raise The Knife
24. 6:00
23. I Walk Beside You
21. Sacrificed Sons
19. Caught In A Web
14. To Live Forever
9. Innocence Faded
7. This Dying Soul
6. Misunderstood
5. This Is The Life
4. Overture 1928
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Although Scenes is a magnificent album, I still think it's hard to rank songs individually. I never listen to songs on their own but always in the context of the full experience. On my list, they do not are ranked that high, on their own.
Doesn't take that much time to enter the top, really am curious how they sum up in the end.
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
091: Caught In a Web 40
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
080: Wait for Sleep 36
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
074: Sacrified Sons 9
073: 6:00 39
072: Erotomania 32
069: Innocence Faded 27
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
065: Another Day 27
063: Disappear 22
062: Peruvian Skies 18
061: Misunderstood 30
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
056: A Nightmare to Remember 6
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
050: Wither 49
049: Lifting Shadows Off a Dream 14
048: Transcending Time 42
046: Barstool Warrior 6
045: The Root of All Evil 9
044: Ytse Jam 23
043: The Spirit Carries On 17
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
038: The Dance of Eternity 5
037: The Bigger Picture 23
036: Lines In the Sand 8
034: As I Am 9
033: At Wit's End 4
031: Endless Sacrifice 2
030: Space-Dye Vest spot on
029: Awaken the Master 52
028: Stream of Conciousness 11
027: Honor Thy Father 44
025: Lie 22
024: One Last Time 22
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
015: The Mirror 12
014: This Dying Soul 33
010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
007: A View From the Top of the World 42
not ranked: 10 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night / Overture 1928
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Wow, big update!
28. Lines In The Sand
Here it is, I was wondering how long 'til it would have come out. The slow section is fantastic, but I'm not overly crazy for the rest and the guest vocals. Live it was pretty cool. It did not go past beyond 81 for me, and with 53 positions lower than the results, it holds so far this negative record for me for the biggest negative delta.
27. The Mirror
Highest Finish: 2 (Setlist Scotty)
Oh noes, my boy The Mirror is out already! I was SURE I was the highest ranker for this one, but my number 4 has been beaten by Setlist Scotty, congrats! :tup
Why I love this song? first of all, it has some sentimental value; I'm not-young enough to have lived in the era of cassette tapes, and my cousin, who was already a fan, used some random DT songs to fill up the tape he copied me of whatever stuff I wanted.
I didn't really like the song, just like I didn't like Hollow Years or Anna Lee, but finally, after four months or so of listening to The Mirror, it clicked, and it basically started the avalanche effect that turned me, in the spring / summer of 1999, as a fan.
Besides that, it's a kickass song and does not mean 2 millions of notes to make its point. How cool and iconic is that intro riff? you can hum along to it just like you do with other famous riffs. A pure headbanger, heavy, menacing, great performance by LaBrie, cool SDV reprise, I love everything about this song, and not just because it introduced me to Dream Theater.
It's my first top 10 songs to fall, and predictably so. I just hoped it made top 20.
26. The Spirit Carries On
Fantastic ballad from their perfect masterpiece. One of the best solos ever from John Petrucci. The emotional climax of the album. Love this song, I never considered it saccharine and it ended up at 13 for me, half the final score.
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I thought I might have LITS as a highest placer. It’s my 5.
I get the hate for Dug’s voice- it’s an unnecessary addition, but the alternative would be MP’s box turned up louder, so….
I like the instrumental stuff on here. Derek’s work ranks as my favourite of the ivory-botherers.
TSCO is total meh. The ballads on SFAM spoil it for me. I have to edit them out. To the extent that when I revisited the album for this countdown I was surprised when some unfamiliar songs magically appeared (after 20 years of avoiding them).
Still meh
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Lines in the sand was my #91. I do consider it slightly overrated. The version on Chaos in motion is superrior in my opinion, as there are extended sections and no guest vocals. It's still a good song, but man, Raise the knife is much better. So is Trial of tears, of course.
The Mirror was my #49. One of their great metal tracks. A classic.
The Spirit carries on was my #38. It's so cool some people ranked it as their number one. It just goes to show that we're not neccesarily into Dream Theater just because of the shredding and madness.
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DTF Me
31. Misunderstood 3. Unique in the catalog, great storytelling, and crafted so well.
30. Space-Dye Vest DNR I'll never be open to it again.
29. Endless Sacrifice 46. Ranker bias? I thought I liked it more than this.
28. Lines In The Sand 18. Great song and interesting lyrics. It would be much better though if Doug Pinnick would have sang the entire song.
27. The Mirror 15. Nostalgic favorite. I wish JP still used this tone for his guitars. Deep, dry, and didn't encroach on JMX space.
26. The Spirit Carries On 54. Used to be a favorite. I perhaps listened to it too much back in the day. I zone out when it's on now.
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Rank - Song - My Rank
28 - lines in the sand - 59 - the guest vocals cost this a higher position for me, without them it's probably in the 25-30 range for me
27 - the mirror - 63 - was cool hearing this for the first time after knowing the intro from live in Tokyo
26 - the spirit carries on - 30 - pretty much at consensus with this one, IMO it's hurt a little by overplaying but it gets a great reaction live so I totally get why they bring it out
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Catching up...
1. This Dying Soul
2.
3. Stream of Consciousness
4.
5.
6. Disappear
7. Endless Sacrifice
8.
9.
10.
11.
12. Outcry
13. Misunderstood
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19. Erotomania
20. As I Am
21. The Great Debate
22. The Shattered Fortress
23. Answering The Call
24.
25. Lines in the Sand
26.
27. Awaken The Master
28.
29.
30. The Root of all Evil
31.
32. Forsaken
33. A View From The Top Of The World
34. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
35. At Wits' End
36. Beneath The Surface
37. Innocence Faded
38. Peruvian Skies
39.
40.
41. The Best of Times
42. On The Backs of Angels
43.
44.
45. The Mirror
46. Panic Attack
47. Lie
48. Another Day
49. The Alien
50.
51. Behind the Veil
52.
53. These Walls
54.
55. The Ministry of Lost Souls
56. Sleeping Giant
57. Fall Into The Light
58. Pale Blue Dot
59.
60. Sacrificed Sons
61. Honor Thy Father
62. New Millennium
63. Overture 1928
64. Barstool Warrior
65.
66. Hell's Kitchen
67. Space-Dye Vest
68. 6:00
69. The Bigger Picture
70. The Spirit Carries On
71. Transcending Time (my lowest ranked song from View)
72.
73. I Walk Beside You
74.
75. Never Enough
76. Hollow Years (#TeamBudokan by the way)
77.
78.
79. Caught In A Web
80.
81.
82.
83.
84.
85.
86. Surrender To Reason
87.
88. Vacant (lowest ranked song from ToT)
89. The Dance of Eternity
90.
91. One Last Time
92. The Looking Glass
93. A Fortune In Lies
94. Ytse Jam
95. Afterlife
96.
97.
98. Constant Motion
99.
100. The Enemy Inside
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Lines In The Sand was not ranked. Listenng to it I can hear why. It's not bad but DT has soo many better songs.
The Mirror ranked 17 on my list. Cool song from a fantastic album.
The Spirit Carries On got to place 12 on my list. Another totallly beutiful song that sends goosebumps down my arms.
My ranking so far
6 Another Day (38)
7 Space-Dye Vest (30)
8 One Last Time (46)
11 The Dance of Eternity (33)
12 The Spirit Carries On (26)
17 The Mirror (27)
19 The Silent Man (66)
22 6:00 (34)
21 Caught In a Web (51
27 Wait For Sleep (44t)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
37 Our New World (93)
38 Innocence Faded (42)
40 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (35)
41 A View from the Top of the World (49t)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
47 Lie (47t)
48 Erotomania (40)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
61 At Wit's End ( 37)
62 Stream of Consciousness (39)
73 As I Am (43)
74 The Root of All Evil(36)
75 The Alien (69)
77 A Nightmare To Remember (49t)
78 Misunderstood (31)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
86 Peruvian Skies (44t)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
96 Endless Sacrifice (29)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Highest ranker of
8 One Last Time (46)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52), This Dying Soul (47t), Disappear (41), Overture 1928 (32), Lines In The Sand (28)
Rated: 42
Not rated: 30
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
155. Hell's Kitchen
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
146. Disappear
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
142. Ytsejam
139. Panic Attack
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
132. Barstool Warrior
127. Lines In The Sand. Could be as many as 50 spots higher without the wailing from Doug Pinnick.
125. Stream Of Consciousness
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
109. Outcry
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
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100.Slight chance of making the list at this point
99. No chance of making the list at this point
98. Another Day
97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
95. The Great Debate
94. No chance of making the list at this point
93. No chance of making the list at this point
92. No chance of making the list at this point
91. Slight chance of making the list at this point
90. On The Backs Of Angels
89. No chance of making the list at this point
88. No chance of making the list at this point
87. Slight chance of making the list at this point
86. No chance of making the list at this point
85. Constant Motion
84. Beneath The Surface
83. At Wit's End
82. Peruvian Skies
81. Space Dye Vest
80. The Enemy Inside
79. Strong chance of making the list at this point
78. Hollow Years
77. Slight chance of making the list at this point
76. The Shattered Fortress
75. No chance of making the list at this point
74. No chance of making the list at this point
73. Lie
72. No chance of making the list at this point
71. No chance of making the list at this point
70. No chance of making the list at this point
69. The Mirror
68. A Nightmare To Remember
67. The Silent Man
66. The Root Of All Evil
65. The Spirit Carries On. I don't know if I've used this word before, but "beautiful". :)
64. No chance of making the list at this point
63. No chance of making the list at this point
62. As I Am
61. These Walls
60. No chance of making the list at this point
59. The Gift of Music
58. Slight chance of making the list at this point
57. The Bigger Picture
56. One Last Time
55. Pale Blue Dot
54. Answering The Call
53. Strong chance of making the list
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
50. Slight chance of making the list at this point
49. No chance of making the list at this point
48. Endless Sacrifice
47. No chance of making the list at this point
46. A New Beginning
45. No chance of making the list at this point
44. Forsaken
43. A View From The Top Of The World
42. Slight chance of making the list at this point
41. The Looking Glass
40. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
39. No chance of making the list at this point
38. The Dance Of Eternity
37. Slight chance of making the list at this point
36. New Millenium
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
34. Wait For Sleep
33. Transcending Time
32. Slight chance of making the list at this point
31. The Best Of Times
30. Erotomania
29. Strong chance of making the list
28. Our New World
27. Strong chance of making the list
26. Strong chance of making the list
25. Raise The Knife
24. 6:00
23. I Walk Beside You
22. No chance of making the list at this point
21. Sacrificed Sons
20. Lock to make the list
19. Caught In A Web
18. No chance of making the list at this point
17. Lock to make the list
16. Lock to make the list
15. Lock to make the list
14. To Live Forever
13. Lock to make the list
12. Strong chance of making the list
11. Lock to make the list
10. Lock to make the list
9. Innocence Faded
8. Lock to make the list
7. This Dying Soul
6. Misunderstood
5. This Is The Life
4. Overture 1928
3. Lock to make the list
2. Strong chance of making the list
1. No chance of making the list at this point
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Weekend catch-up!
37 At Wit's End - Pretty close to the consensus; I had it ranked # 35. Just a gorgeous, gorgeous song.
36 The Root of All Evil - Didn't finish as high for me (# 65), but I do like this song a lot.
35 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream - Just a beautiful song. I had it at # 10.
34 6:00 - DNR. I like it, but I don't understand the fascination that so many other people seem to have for it.
33 The Dance of Eternity - This instrumental kicks ass. I had it at # 15.
32 Overture 1928 - This instrumental is also great, but in a different way than TDOE. I had this one at # 25, so a little higher than this consensus list.
31 Misunderstood - I had this one at # 78, but I think is a casualty of the ranker. It feels higher than a 78 to me lol but here we are.
30 Space-Dye Vest - I had this one at # 49, but there was a time when I would have ranked it # 149. I hated this one when Awake first came out, but I have really come to appreciate it a lot more over the ensuing years.
29 Endless Sacrifice - Good song, good lyrics. # 33 for me.
28 Lines In The Sand - I have this one at # 9. My highest-ranking song thus far. Fun fact: you people who don't like Doug Pinnick's vocals here are completely wrong.
27 The Mirror - Again, I like it, but I don't understand the fascination. Killer riffage though. I had it at # 88.
26 The Spirit Carries On - Great, great song. One that I have frequently played for non-prog fans as an example song for DT. I have it at # 13.
And with that, 27 of my Top 50 are still alive for the Top 25! We'll see what happens!
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Lines in the Sand was in my top 3 the last time I submitted a list. I love this song so much. Amazing groove, tremendous guitar solo, some of JP’s finest lyrics. Derek also really shines here. Dug is great on it, no idea why he bugs so many people. DT at their most soulful probably.
The Mirror isn’t my favorite thing, but I appreciate the scope of the whole Mirror/Lie suite. My favorite part is the quieter middle part “let’s start the problem right in the eye.” That’s a really cool part, and I’ve always liked the line “How in the hell can you possibly forgive me after all the hell I put you through.”
I never really liked The Spirit Carries on. Too sing songy, like something from Sesame Street or Barney. Also don’t really care for the gospel element on it (seems forced and a bit inappropriate for a song about reincarnation). The solo is good though.
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Lines in the Sand - not ranked - not a fan of this song at all.
The Mirror - #36 - this song rocks from the very first second. Also fantastic use of Space-Dye Vest theme.
The Spirit Carries On - #11 - a perfect song in context of SFAM, and (while I have no idea if I'll be able to ever see DT again) I hope they keep playing it live. Perfect storytelling on this track too.
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Lines - 39
Mirror - 29
Spirit - 43
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And with that, 27 of my Top 50 are still alive for the Top 25! We'll see what happens!
I have 26, but I already know that three songs won't be there.
From my top 25, only 15 are left.
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28. Lines In The Sand
#20 for me. Groovy, as Earthworm Jim would say!
27. The Mirror
#68 for me. I guess other DT tracks on the heavier side do more to me, BUT it's still an undeniable piece.
26. The Spirit Carries On
#56 for me, ranked in a moment when I thought I was kind of over it, but still wanted to give it its fair shake. I've since come back around, but no regrets!
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And with that, 27 of my Top 50 are still alive for the Top 25! We'll see what happens!
I have 26, but I already know that three songs won't be there.
From my top 25, only 15 are left.
I know several of mine also won't be there lol
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Wow only 1 of these snuck in there. TSCO (107) should rank higher but I kinda got burned out on it. Score version with that intro is the best them. LITS (110), as others have said, has an awesome middle section but the rest I don't care for as much. Mirror landed at 88.
5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
9 The Great Debate
11 Outcry
12 Overture 1928
16 One Last Time
20 Lost Not Forgotten
22 A View From the Top of the World
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
28 Fall Into the Light
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
33 Disappear
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
42 The Root of All Evil
46 Misunderstood
48 A Fortune in Lies
52 Barstool Warrior
51 Our New World
53 At Wit's End
54 Wither
55 The Alien
56 Lifting Shadows off a Dream
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
59 Innocence Faded
61 I Walk Beside You
62 Endless Sacrifice
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
65 Wait for Sleep
66 The Bigger Picture
67 A Nightmare to Remember
68 Sleeping Giant
70 The Ministry of Lost Souls
72 The Dance of Eternity
75 Panic Attack
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
88 The Mirror
93 Another Day
95 On the Backs of Angels
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen, These Walls, Caught in a Web, Lie, This Dying Soul, Peruvian Skies, As I Am, Erotomania, Stream of Consciousness, 6:00, Space-Dye Vest, The Spirit Carries On, Lines in the Sand
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time, Outcry
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34. 6:00
33. The Dance Of Eternity
32. Overture 1928
31. Misunderstood
30. Space-Dye Vest
29. Endless Sacrifice
28. Lines In The Sand
27. The Mirror
26. The Spirit Carries On
OK...a bunch of catching up for me.
6:00 is my #3 song on Awake and my #32 song overall. When I first put Awake in the CD player and got that drum fill and then the odd-time riff, I breathed a bit of a sigh of relief about a potential letdown following I&W. Great song. It finished at #54 in the prior countdown, so it got a big bump this time.
TDOE and Overture 1928 and both great. TDOE obviously took a bit to digest, but wow! And O1928 is such a great way to open the album (not including Regression, of course). I had O1928 at #25 and TDOE at #40. TDOE finished at #47 in the prior countdown (jump of 14 places), and O1928 finished at #38, so only a small jump.
Misunderstood took me a long time to "get." Once I got it, though, boom. What a killer song. Only the end is no good, but it's easy at that point just to skip to disc 2. I had Misunderstood at #29. It finished at #33 in the prior countdown.
Space-Dye Vest is a nice song. I enjoy it, but I don't go out of my way to listen to it. I do NOT get the LOVE that this song seems to generate; the cult of Kevin Moore is strong. I had it at #63. It finished at #21 last time.
Endless Sacrifice is a really great song. I love the juxtaposition of the verses and the chorus and the middle section. I had it at #34. It finished at #40 last time.
Now we get to a batch that I'm not so fond of.
Lines in the Sand is a great example of a song that is absolutely RUINED by one small bit. The guest vocals are just that awful. I had the song at #93. It finished at #17 in the last countdown.
The only reason The Mirror isn't my least favorite song of the early years is because New Millennium exists. I didn't like it when I first heard Puppies on Acid live and was disappointed when I heard that riff on the album. Not ranked (and it'll be the last song in the countdown that I didn't rank). It ranked at #19 in the last countdown, and I take pride in contributing to that drop.
TSCO is fine, but it's overdone. It's one of my lower ranked SFAM songs. I had it at #81 (behind a TA song!). It finished at #28 last time, so it held steady.
List Not Ranked
100 This Dying Soul (47T) Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall into the Light (72), Honor Thy Father (71), Raise the Knife (65), The Great Debate (53), Peruvian Skies (44T), Disappear (41), The Mirror (27)
98
97 This Is the Life (88)
96
95
94
93 Lines in the Sand (28)
92 The Ministry of Lost Souls (61)
91
90
89
88 Another Day (38)
87 Innocence Faded (42)
86 Lie (47T)
85
84 Forsaken (95)
83
82 Erotomania (40)
81 The Spirit Carries On (26)
80
79 Vacant (97)
78 Wait for Sleep (44T)
77 The Silent Man (66)
76
75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
74
73 A Nightmare to Remember (50)
72
71 These Walls (54)
70
69 At Wit's End (37)
68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
67 The Dark Eternal Night (70)
66 Pale Blue Dot (62)
65 Transcending Time (90)
64
63 Space-Dye Vest (30)
62
61 Beneath the Surface (64)
60 Hell's Kitchen (57)
59 Afterlife (96)
58
57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
56
55 The Alien (69)
54 The Root of All Evil (36)
53 The Bigger Picture (60)
52
51
50
49 As I Am (43)
48 A View from the Top of the World (49)
47 Lifting Shadows off a Dream (35)
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45
44 On the Backs of Angels (56)
43 Ytse Jam (67)
42 One Last Time (46)
41 Through Her Eyes (74)
40 The Dance of Eternity (33)
39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
38 Hollow Years (59)
37
36 Caught in a Web (51)
35 Barstool Warrior (52)
34 Endless Sacrifice (29)
33 Outcry (58)
32 6:00 (34)
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30
29 Misunderstood (31)
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26
25 Overture 1928 (32)
24
23
22
21
20
19 Sacrificed Sons (63)
18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
16
15 The Killing Hand (68)
14 Panic Attack (55)
13
12
11 Stream of Consciousness (39)
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
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At Wit's End - (78) The intro is better than the rest of the song (which is still pretty good).
The Root of All Evil (85) - Not a fan of either 12SS or Octavarium. But I have always liked this song, even though there is nothing outstanding about it.
Lifting Shadows Off A Dream (43)- This is how you do U2 without crossing to "too much inspiration, maybe even ripoffitization" territory.
6:00 (38) - A great opener to my favorite album.
The Dance of Eternity (69) - One of my less favorite instrumentals, still a great part of a great album.
Overture 1928 (30) I enjoy this one a lot more than TDOE. So much music in so little time.
Misunderstood 62 I always liked the main part but I am slowly warming up even to the final cacophonic section.
Space-Dye Vest (7) I have loved this one since the first time I heard it. Initially, I liked it more than anything else on Awake, but it is only n. 4 now.
Endless Sacrifice (87) Not a favorite, still an enjoyable part of what has turned out an infinitely more enjoyable album than I ever thought could be possible after hearing it for the first time.
b]Lines In The Sand (25) [/b]The solo deserves all the accolades it gets.
The Mirror (4) I am one of those who are mesmerized by this song. A perfect blend of atmosphere and aggression that hits very hard. Considered it for n.1 but ranked The Killing Hand and two other Awake songs ahead of it.
The Spirit Carries On (45) - One of the best DT ballads by any standard. It might have soured a bit due to getting Nothing Else Matters treatment (I mean being played to death).
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Am I alone in not having "overplayed" and "played to death on every tour" as a criteria when ranking the songs? I just judge the song as it is, not how many times it's been played live.
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And with that, 27 of my Top 50 are still alive for the Top 25! We'll see what happens!
I have 26, but I already know that three songs won't be there.
From my top 25, only 15 are left.
23 of my top 50 have yet to be revealed. All of my top 25 will make it. My #37 and #50 songs will not make it.
Am I alone in not having "overplayed" and "played to death on every tour" as a criteria when ranking the songs? I just judge the song as it is, not how many times it's been played live.
It's a fair point, but I'm going to rank a song lower if "I'm sick of it" than if "I could hear it on a loop for the rest of my life and not get sick of it."
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Lines in the Sand ... 22. How in the hell can 30-45 seconds of Doug's voice irk people to the extent that it ruins a song. To call out Stadler specifically (only because your list of in-songs and out-songs is right there, you rate A Nightmare to Remember with that god-awful segment by MP, but you drop a pile on LITS becuase of a few wails by Doug??
The Mirror ... 42. Good song. Middle of the pack from Awake. Far superior to Lie though.
TSCO ... 44. IMO, it's kinda like Zeppelin and Stairway to Heaven - way too overplayed to be as enjoyed as it once was. Beautiful, wonderfully written and performed, one of JPs best solo's ever, and the Gospel Choir version from LSFNY is one of the greatest concert moments they have. But I think I've heard it enough times in my life already.
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Lines in the Sand ... 22. How in the hell can 30-45 seconds of Doug's voice irk people to the extent that it ruins a song. To call out Stadler specifically (only because your list of in-songs and out-songs is right there, you rate A Nightmare to Remember with that god-awful segment by MP, but you drop a pile on LITS becuase of a few wails by Doug??
Yes, exactly.
I don't disagree that the ANTR segment is awful, but it's different. one, it's not a member of the band, so there's that. Two, I remember hearing FII for the first time and being confused by a lot of it (not least of which was the vague similarity with the Skunkworks artwork from about a year and a half previous) and wondering "WTF?". I've gone on to appreciate parts of LITS; and when I listen to the Director's Cut - the version I listen to most - the song certainly doesn't suck, but I've never gotten past those vocals.
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Seems there are 14 tracks that I did not rank, and I have easily identified 13 of the ones I *did* rank that will not make this Top 100. Which makes me very sad for the only song that I can see not making the list from what I have remaining. I'm sure we all have that song(s) which we believe to be a travesty they will not be representing.
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There are also plenty of live versions of LiTS (plus the demo) that don't have Dug on them, so it's not like the song can only be heard with Dug's vocal.
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To my ears Dug's vocals always sounded like a drunk guy at a bar trying to sing back up to a song on the radio.
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To my ears Dug's vocals always sounded like a drunk guy at a bar trying to sing back up to a song on the radio.
I like King's X and Dug's vocals, but :rollin
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The Mirror (4) I am one of those who are mesmerized by this song. A perfect blend of atmosphere and aggression that hits very hard. Considered it for n.1 but ranked The Killing Hand and two other Awake songs ahead of it.
Yay, another number 4 spot brother for the song :tup who knows, we might possibly share number 3 as well ;D
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Seems there are 14 tracks that I did not rank, and I have easily identified 13 of the ones I *did* rank that will not make this Top 100. Which makes me very sad for the only song that I can see not making the list from what I have remaining. I'm sure we all have that song(s) which we believe to be a travesty they will not be representing.
I have 18 that will go unranked:
37. Not too surprised that this Mangini era ballad didn't make it, but I'm not sure why it's not more liked.
50. Not at all surprised that this Sherinian composed song didn't make it.
56. This will be the only Octavarium song that won't make it, which I find really weird.
58. This WDADU song rarely gets discussed one way or the other. It's got a great vibe.
62. Another Mangini era ballad that no one seems to like.
64. I think this is the only lead single from an album not to make it.
70. One of the more reviled Mangini era songs in the catalog. I think it's really good.
72. One of the most hated songs in the band's catalog. My views on this album are generally 180 from the consensus.
74. This might be the most surprising song on my list not to make the top 100.
76. Kind of an afterthought WDADU song for most folks, I think.
80. My only ranked song from TA.
83. Probably the least loved instrumental.
90. The least surprising of my misses.
91. Well...maybe this is less surprising. Falls into the same category as #72.
94. J-dude and I might be the only two to have this in the top 100, although he likely had it much higher.
95. No surprise that this BC&SL song missed the list.
96. Falls into the same category as #72 and #91.
98. A song I have a very hard time distinguishing from another song on the same album.
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There are also plenty of live versions of LiTS (plus the demo) that don't have Dug on them, so it's not like the song can only be heard with Dug's vocal.
Isn't OIAL the only "official" live version? I view that as one of the worst live albums by any band, so I pretty much never listen to it.
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Lines in the Sand: 4. Perfect songwriting, deep and elaborate colours, the best DT transitions ever.
The Spirit Carries On: 3. It is to SFAM exactly what Comfortably Numb is to The Wall. My wife has three instructions for the day I croak: the guitars to my second nephew, the cars to the first one, this song played by my orchestra in my town's theatre.
The Mirror: 86. It scared me in 1994. Then I discovered it's a quite subtle exercise in colouring lyrics with music and I stopped worrying and learnt to love the bomb.
The Score so far:
3 - The Spirit Carries On
4 - Lines in the Sand
7 - Misunderstood
9 - Space-Dye Vest
14 - Stream of Consciousness
21 - A New Beginning
23 - Disappear
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
31 - Erotomania
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
42 - Another Day
43 - One Last Time
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
54 - Peruvian Skies
55 - The Dance of Eternity
56 - The Bigger Picture
61 - Wait for Sleep
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
69 - Overture 1928
70 - Innocence Faded
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
76 - Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
77 - At Wit's End
78 - Lie
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
88 - The Mirror
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
91 - 6:00
92 - The Killing Hand
93 - Endless Sacrifice
95 - Barstool Warrior
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 32
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Lines in the Sand - I really love this track, just so many cool things. Never been a big fan of the guest vocals but they don't ruin it for me. My rank 32.
The Mirror - My rank 37.
The Spirit Carries On - a bit surprised to see this song today but seems like not everyone is a fan. Just a brilliant piece of music and one of my favourite JP solos. My rank 16.
10 songs unranked.
Still 16 of my top 20 to be revealed. Pretty sure they will all make it.
5 more left in the 21 to 30 range. Pretty sure they will all make it.
2 more in the 31 to 40 range. Pretty sure these 2 songs make it.
For the remaining two songs, I am not sure what they are! From my point of view there are a few options on the table so looking forward to seeing how it plays out.
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There are also plenty of live versions of LiTS (plus the demo) that don't have Dug on them, so it's not like the song can only be heard with Dug's vocal.
Isn't OIAL the only "official" live version? I view that as one of the worst live albums by any band, so I pretty much never listen to it.
For some reason I thought it was on either Live Scenes or Budokan, but I must have been thinkin of Trial of Tears which appears on both OiaLT and Budokan or Just Let Me Breath which is on OiaLT and Scenes.
I think OiaLT is the second best sounding live album the band have done besides Score, but James is certainly rough in places and your mileage probably varies on the set list.
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It's also on Chaos In Motion. And I don't know if the live version there is good or not, because in general I'm not crazy about that recording, so I never listen to it.
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It's also on Chaos In Motion. And I don't know if the live version there is good or not, because in general I'm not crazy about that recording, so I never listen to it.
Should also note, I haven't heard any live releases since Score, but there you go.
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28. Lines In The Sand
Highest Finish: 4 (devieira73, Indiscipline)
Number of Lists appeared on: 55 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking)
27. The Mirror
Highest Finish: 2 (Setlist Scotty)
Number of Lists appeared on: 62 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
26. The Spirit Carries On
Highest Finish: 1 (DragonAttack, mariner, twosuitsluke)
Number of Lists appeared on: 59 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had Lines In The Sand at #8.
This song has been a favorite since I first heard it. It has a great groove and the whole song has a way of picking me up and carrying me. Those Kings X vocals don't get in the way here. I couldnt do a whole song of them, but the song overcomes them quite easily.
I had The Mirror as Not Rated.
I am shocked at how high this is. I think it's the worst song on Awake.
I had The Spirit Carries On at #56.
I am shocked at how low this is. I thought this was Top 20 easy.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 6:00 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 The Root Of All Evil Transcending Time
95 Lie Behind The Veil
94 New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 Zydar The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot As I Am
84 Misunderstood
83 The Mirror
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78 Stream Of Consciousness
77 A Nightmare To Remember
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72
71
70 One Last Time
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58 Wait For Sleep
57
56 The Spirit Carries On
55
54 Barstool Warrior
53
52
51 Erotomania
50
49
48
47
46
45 Overture 1928
44 Panic Attack
43 Innocence Faded
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39 A View From The Top Of The World
38 At Wits End
37 Fall Into The Light
36
35 The Gift Of Music
34 The Dance Of Eternity
33 Peruvian Skies
32 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20 This Dying Soul
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15
14 The Best Of Times
13 Endless Sacrifice
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10
9
8 Lines In The Sand
7 Disappear
6
5 Space Dye Vest
4 The Killing Hand
3
2
1
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Lines in the Sand - 90
I’m actually a huge King’s X Dug Pinnick fan…but it just didn’t work here at all.
The Mirror - 11
Amazing song! Too bad they stuck Lie in the middle. I prefer the 8 1/2 minute LSFNY version. This and probably Glass Prison are the greatest heavy riffs DT has ever written.
The Spirit Carries On - 43
A bit cliche, but one of their best ballads.
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49t. A View From The Top Of The World (NR) I gave this song 5 chances and I was never impressed. I do intend to give it more chances, maybe it'll click one day.
49t. A Nightmare To Remember (68th) Much of this song is pretty good, and then Beautiful Agony is many tiers above it. It's too long, though.
47t. Lie (72nd) Really cool song, maybe should be higher for me, and the instrumental rocks.
47t. This Dying Soul (34th) The moment that riff hits and the band comes in...come on! So good! Lots to like, a great part of the 12SS.
46. One Last Time (74th) Yeah, not a SFAM fan. I do plan to give it a spin to see if it finally clicks. Maybe!
44t. Peruvian Skies (95th) Meh, it's aight.
44t. Wait For Sleep (37th) Just beautiful, I still remember the first time hearing it. Really impressed then and just as much now.
43. As I Am (15th) I LOVE this song and I am pretty surprised it is this low. One of my first DT songs so maybe I am biased. The prechorus is one of the coolest parts and the chorus is really cool. The guitar solo ending on chords ringing out is such a little twist.
42. Innocence Faded (16th) This song has grown tremendously on me. It all flows so well, and the instrumental is killer.
41. Disappear (39th) Great song, I don't often go to listen but it's always a great and sad song.
40. Erotomania (46th) Very cool instrumental.
39. Stream Of Consciousness (12th) Best instrumental. Best DT song to play on the bass.
38. Another Day (24th) Not an instrumental, but a top 3 ballad-y type song from DT.
37. At Wit's End (NR) Not familiar enough but I think I heard it the other day and liked it.
36. The Root Of All Evil (18th) Great song, pretty straightforward but it rocks.
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream (63rd) I get why people like this more than I do. It's a great song, but in the context of the album, it starts to drag and on its own, it isn't what I look for in DT songs usually, while still liking it.
34. 6:00 (32nd) Close to the consensus. One of the strongest choruses ever?
33. The Dance Of Eternity (45th) Great song, maybe overrated like the album it comes from.
32. Overture 1928 (55th) See above.
31. Misunderstood (27th) I love this song, the only gripe is the outro goes on too long. The laid back verse into the that winding up prechorus into that emotional chorus is just so good.
30. Space-Dye Vest (44th) Lovely song, very different for DT at a time that they were heading into some major changes. I heard the live version not too long ago and that was also great.
29. Endless Sacrifice (10th) I am glad I wasn't the highest ranker. What Evermind said is basically what I think as well (except that I do like all of ToT). This is what DT metal should try and be much of the time. It doesn't try too hard like some other songs.
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28. Lines In The Sand (58th) I see the appeal and why it would be this high, but it doesn't feel like DT to me. But it's still a good song.
27. The Mirror (71st) This could've been higher, a good song in the middle of an excellent album.
26. The Spirit Carries On (23rd) The second or third DT song I ever heard, it is, by far, the highlight of SFAM. It's cheesy but makes sense in the album. JLB really fills in the space in the beginning, the piano driving the song is great, and the guitar solo has to be a top 5 solo from JP within DT.
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Oh god, I am so behind. Time for a big old catchup post!
50. A Nightmare To Remember - my 10. This song absolutely blew me away right from the first listen, and is still very exciting to listen to to this day. It has heavy parts, rocking parts (that monster of a riff in the first verse, so good to headbang to! :metal), an amazing and epic sounding chorus, a wicked instrumental section and of course... the "beautiful agony" section. Honestly, there is so much to love about this song, really surprised it didn't finish a lot higher.
The MP vocal section isn't THAT bad... and who knows, we may be lucky enough to see it live once again! ;D Really should have edited out that stupid "oof" though... that's literally my one gripe with the song.
49. A View From The Top Of The World - slightly lower for me at 55. Of the circa 20-minute epics, this is my second-least favourite only beating Illumination Theory. The majority of it is just fine... but that middle section is AMAZING. That slow groove, the way it builds and builds and culminates in that amazing JP lead, fantastic and chill-inducing.
47t. Lie - came a bit lower for me, 71. Great tune but ultimately, not that much to it. Cool groove, great vocal parts, nice callback to The Mirror and a killer outro.
47t. This Dying Soul - 11 for me. I actually thought I had a shot at ranking this one the highest but, total respect to Mr. Manchester for giving this one the top spot. This is one of the first DT songs that absolutely fascinated me and I listened to repeatedly, obsessively, in awe of the intricate riffs, solos, unisons, and those fast vocal sections. Bar none, the heaviest and most all-out aggressive DT has ever been. Can't say enough how much I love this one.
46. One Last Time - 28 for me. On the album it serves as a sort of interlude, but that's doing it a disservice. It's an absolutely beautiful melody but it goes to another level when they go back to the theme first heard in Overture/Strange. Once again, CHILLS. And... this section contains one of the only recorded instances of JM playing slap bass!! :hefdaddy
44t. Peruvian Skies - unranked for me. I never really understood what was to like about this one. It's mostly slow and boring, and even when the tempo and dynamics pick up towards the end it's not that exciting for DT standards.
44t. Wait For Sleep - 75 for me. Beautiful song, not much more to be said. Love it.
43. As I Am - my 21. Along with TDS, this is one of the songs that really got me interested in DT at the beginning, and it's really stood the test of time. I still love it when they bring it out live and that JP solo has to be up there with his best and most memorable.
42. Innocence Faded - 45 for me. Another great song, the vocals being the clear highlight.
41. Disappear - 35 for me. A unique song in their catalogue. Powerful and emotional but without being cheesy in the slightest. Would love it to make a live comeback.
40. Erotomania - exactly where I ranked it, 40! Guess I don't need to say anything then :lol
39. Stream of Consciousness - I ranked this at 17. At first glance it may seem there's nothing much to this instrumental, by DT standards. But there is just something about the way this one builds and builds throughout, I can't quite put it into words. Would love for this to make a comeback as well.
38. Another Day - slightly lower for me at 44. I do still get chills listening to this one, mainly because of the vocals and lyrical subject matter. A classic.
37. At Wit's End - 65 for me. IMO, slightly overrated - sure, the outro is pure bliss but, whilst the first half of the song is not by any means bad, they've produced a lot better over the years.
36. The Root Of All Evil - very close to where I ranked it, 38.
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream - I ranked this at 72. A very good song with a couple of chill-inducing moments i.e. the bridge into that final chorus but, not one that I come back to very often.
34. 6:00 - again, EXACTLY where I ranked it!!
33. The Dance Of Eternity - 12 for me. This is a very, very special piece of music, something that is truly representative of this group of virtuosos. And it's not just incredibly technical, but it's so FUN to listen to as well.
32. Overture 1928 - my 4. So I was one space off ranking this one the joint-highest. This was THE piece of music that made me first take notice of DT, I will always remember that day in my Dad's car when he was playing the CD. But it's not just the nostalgia factor that makes me rank this one so high - this song just has such a fantastic vibe, great positive energy with several great melodies, themes and chord progressions. A great piece of music to listen to in the morning to set you up for the day. Always needs to be followed by Strange though :smiley:
31. Misunderstood - I ranked 10 places lower at 41.
30. Space-Dye Vest - I ranked at 51. A great and powerful piece of music although, not really representative of DT for the obvious reason. Fantastic and fitting end to the Awake album though.
29. Endless Sacrifice - 42 for me. It's grown on me over the years. That middle instrumental is not one of DT's strongest but, the lyrics and melodies are fantastic.
28. Lines In The Sand - this actually didn't make my list. I've always found this one to be rather overrated. I do appreciate the middle solo but, it's not one I ever consciously go back to.
27. The Mirror - this ended up quite a bit lower for me at 70. That's not to knock it though as I do actually really like it. Fantastic vocals, some nice bass playing in the middle section and I love the fun they have with that simple riff at the beginning, just displacing it and switching up the time feels, genius!
26. The Spirit Carries On - a few spots higher on my list at 22. What can I say, it's a perfect climax to Scenes. I do feel it's been considerably overplayed over the years though - it works much better in the context of Scenes rather than as a standalone live.
Will try and keep up day by day again but... we'll see!
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LITS I had at 77. A fun song.
The Mirror I had at number 11. Fucking love it. Love the atmosphere, the heaviness, James' vocals and that Space Dye Vest melody we hear after the "I'll never hurt you again,' section is fucking epic!!
Spirit came in at 50. Could have been a little higher but top 50 is fine. That JP solo!!
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 Disappear The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84 Stream Of Consciousness
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77 Lines in the Sand
76
75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
73 One Last Time
72 Peruvian Skies
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63 Panic Attack
62
61 On the Backs of Angels
60
59
58 Afterlife
57 Caught In A Web
56
55
54 The Great Debate
53 A Nightmare to Remember
52 Erotomania
51 Answering the Call
50 The Spirit Carries On
49 Space-Dye Vest
48 The Shattered Fortress
47
46 As I Am
45
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43
42 Never Enough
41 Wait For Sleep
40
39
38
37 The Bigger Picture
36 Outcry
35
34 Lie
33 The Root of All Evil
32 I Walk Beside You
31
30 A View From the Top of the World
29 Surrender to Reason
28 Barstool Warrior
27 Another Day
26 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
25 Endless Sacrifice
24 Innocence Faded
23 Misunderstood
22
21
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18
17
16
15
14
13 These Walls
12 At Wit's End
11 The Mirror
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2 This Dying Soul.
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Lines in the Sand (my #4), my first at highest ranking! What can I say... it's definitely a rare DT song, no other have been so close to something jazzy as this song (maybe only their really cool version for Gangland). It's the perfect middle ground between Derek's influences in hard rock and jazz-rock and the core DT epic sound. Also, it has a great groove from Mike/John Myung and, unlike many others, I just LOVE DUg guesting on this song.
The Mirror (my #54) is great and I always loved immensely that Puppies on Acid intro!
The Spirit Carries On (my #67) is very enganging and I love the lyrics. JP's solo on it is always an amazing moment.
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I had The Mirror as Not Rated.
I am shocked at how high this is. I think it's the worst song on Awake.
As with your Power Windows takes, you demonstrate impeccable taste, ma brother!
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7. Disappear (+1)
10. The Best of Times (-7)
12. A Nightmare to Remember (-1)
13. Erotomania (-1)
14. Space-Dye Vest (+5)
15. Misunderstood (+1)
17. This Dying Soul (+10)
18. The Shattered Fortress (+6)
21. The Ministry of Lost Souls (-4)
22. The Spirit Carries On (-7)
23. The Silent Man (+0)
24. The Dark Eternal Night (+9)
29. Lines in the Sand (+16)
30. Hell's Kitchen (-8)
32. A View From the Top of the World
34. Outcry (+36)
35. Constant Motion (+29)
37. A New Beginning (-7)
38. The Great Debate (+0)
39. Pale Blue Dot (-8)
40. Sleeping Giant
41. Endless Sacrifice (+21)
42. The Root of All Evil (-10)
46. Fall Into The Light (-10)
47. Barstool Warrior (-13)
48. The Bigger Picture (+0)
49. The Mirror (+9)
51. Ytse Jam (+4)
52. These Walls (+31)
58. S2N (+1)
59. The Enemy Inside (-10)
61. Awaken the Master
63. The Gift of Music (-2)
64. As I Am (+16)
66. Stream of Consciousness (-16)
67. Panic Attack (-15)
68. On the Backs of Angels (+20)
69. 6:00 (+24)
70. Another Day (-27)
71. Transcending Time
73. At Wit's End (-7)
77. Hollow Years (-2)
78. The Killing Hand (-37)
80. Wait For Sleep (-23)
83. The Dance of Eternity (+12)
84. This is the Life (-12)
87. A Fortune in Lies (+18)
88. I Walk Beside You (+31)
89. Never Enough (-18)
90. Wither (-4)
93. Vacant (+4)
94. Through Her Eyes (-13)
97. Innocence Faded (-8)
98. Lie (+19)
100. Our New World (+3)
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105. Answering the Call
109. The Alien
112. Beneath the Surface (-2)
116. Caught in a Web (+14)
122. Lost Not Forgotten (-9)
123. Behind the Veil (-2)
124. Peruvian Skies (+2)
130. The Looking Glass (+1)
131. Forsaken (-4)
137. Sacrificed Sons (-15)
139. Only a Matter of Time (-10)
141. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream (-25)
142. Afterlife (-7)
143. One Last Time (-4)
147. Surrender to Reason (-10)
148. New Millennium (-8)
149. Honor Thy Father (-7)
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Unranked: To Live Forever, Raise the Knife, Zydar ;)
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Lines in the Sand- I had this just sneaking into my top ten (at #10). I love the Dug Pinnick vocals and really everything about this song. FII is an album of peaks and valleys for me, and this is K2.
The Mirror- I was a little lower than the consensus, #46 on my list. A great heavy tune that's just a touch outside top tier for me.
The Spirit Carries On- I was close, I had it at #31. In retrospect I feel maybe I should have had it higher though. It's an integral piece of my favorite album, and JP has his David Gilmour Comfortably Numb moment with that stunner of a solo.
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Am I alone in not having "overplayed" and "played to death on every tour" as a criteria when ranking the songs? I just judge the song as it is, not how many times it's been played live.
That never remotely factored in to my rankings. I considered only 2 things 1) How much I enjoyed the song when it was released, and 2) How much I have enjoyed the song over the years till now.
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Am I alone in not having "overplayed" and "played to death on every tour" as a criteria when ranking the songs? I just judge the song as it is, not how many times it's been played live.
That never remotely factored in to my rankings. I considered only 2 things 1) How much I enjoyed the song when it was released, and 2) How much I have enjoyed the song over the years till now.
While I mostly agree, the song in question is so saccharin that it had a limited lifetime. Did not carry on, for me at least.
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Wow, big update!
27. The Mirror
Highest Finish: 2 (Setlist Scotty)
Oh noes, my boy The Mirror is out already! I was SURE I was the highest ranker for this one, but my number 4 has been beaten by Setlist Scotty, congrats! :tup
Why I love this song? first of all, it has some sentimental value; I'm not-young enough to have lived in the era of cassette tapes, and my cousin, who was already a fan, used some random DT songs to fill up the tape he copied me of whatever stuff I wanted.
I didn't really like the song, just like I didn't like Hollow Years or Anna Lee, but finally, after four months or so of listening to The Mirror, it clicked, and it basically started the avalanche effect that turned me, in the spring / summer of 1999, as a fan.
Besides that, it's a kickass song and does not mean 2 millions of notes to make its point. How cool and iconic is that intro riff? you can hum along to it just like you do with other famous riffs. A pure headbanger, heavy, menacing, great performance by LaBrie, cool SDV reprise, I love everything about this song, and not just because it introduced me to Dream Theater.
And here I was expecting to be highest had Mirror at #3
But kudos to you both Setlist Scott and I see Animal had it at #4 also excellent work everyone and wholeheartedly agree with MirrorMask this is how you do heavy DT without the fuss :hefdaddy :metal
Lines In The Sand #64
Spirit Carries On #41
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28 Lines In the Sand, I had this at 25, almost spot on. I don't mind the guest vocals at all, I think I just discovered King's X at that time, but had no idea there were connections of any sort between the DT and the King's X camp. So hearing Dug on a DT song was a big surprise and a good one.
27 The Mirror, my 44. I like Awake a lot and this beast too. Since it's just one spot above Lie on my list, I guess I ranked them as kind of connected. Could have been higher.
26 The Spirit Carries On NR. I guess this is the last one not to make my list. Here the live renditions did definitely play a role in my ranking. I guess it's okay in the context of the album, I like the dry production on the studio version in the beginning. When they do it live, as an individual piece; I'm not the guy for singalong and wave your arms in the air moments, so ... It has its earworm qualities though, I have to admit
There's one song left on my prediction list I'd be surprised making the top 25, but I have no idea what other song could replace it.
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Space-Dye Vest is a nice song. I enjoy it, but I don't go out of my way to listen to it. I do NOT get the LOVE that this song seems to generate; the cult of Kevin Moore is strong. I had it at #63. It finished at #21 last time.
I disagree. "Moore's cult" is strong because of all the love SDV gets, not the other way around. I loved the song long before I knew it had anything to do with Kevin Moore. And I guess I am not the only one who really likes Wait for Sleep of SDV but doesn't really care for Moore's personality. I believe that his signature songs work so well within the band catalog because of how different they are... but I probably wouldn't want to listen to a whole albums of songs like SDV.
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Lines in the Sand - 90
The Mirror - 11
Amazing song! Too bad they stuck Lie in the middle. I prefer the 8 1/2 minute LSFNY version. This and probably Glass Prison are the greatest heavy riffs DT has ever written.
I didn't know there was such a version until quite recently (I had LSFNY DVD, but not the CD). And like you, I really don't like how the moody atmospheric section is interrupted by Lie, rather than coming to its natural musical conclusion. Sadly, we don't have a perfect version. The LSFNY one is a great performance but still, IMO, a bit spoiled by Jordan's soloing. And James can't quite match the intensity of his studio vocals.
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In that song Portnoy's backing vocals were excellent. I love how he added grit and personality to the spoken lines.
HYPOCRITE!!!!
rrrrrreEEESISTANCE!!!
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Update!
25. Illumination Theory
Highest Finish: 4 (Wim Kruithof)
Number of Lists appeared on: 62 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
A little surprised this placed so high. I like IT but I thought it would place more towards the middle of the list.
24. Beyond This Life
Highest Finish: 2 (NoFred)
Number of Lists appeared on: 64 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Another fantastic pick from Scenes.
23. Bridges In The Sky
Highest Finish: 5 (nobloodyname)
Number of Lists appeared on: 65 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Similar to Illumination Theory, I'm a bit surprised this placed as high as it did. It's a great song though.
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I am genuinely surprised Illumination Theory has made the top 100 :lol
Oooh, I didn't think I'd be the highest ranker for anything but I am, and with a Mangini era tune, too! I love Bridges in the Sky. As a drunken singalong song, it is utterly perfect.
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25. Illumination Theory
Suprised as well to see it so high, overall I like it, but I feel it's a bit disjointed. Fantastic finale though. Did not go further than 84 for me, a record -59 negative delta (out of the ones I actually put in the top 100), beating Lines in the Sand which had a -53 difference.
24. Beyond This Life
Masterpiece. Entered my top 20 at 16, 8 positions higher.
23. Bridges In The Sky
Fantastic song from Dramatic, I still think this should have been called The Shaman's Trance and the album Bridges in the Sky, however it's such a cool song with a bombastic chorus. On this topic: know how great it is when from the "Sun, come shine my way" moment appears that glorious part "And at last the time has come"...? this is what has been sorely missing on Distance Over Time, most of the choruses feel like bridges at best. This one is perfect.
Finished at 27 for me, just 4 positions lower.
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Yes, those lines in Bridges in the Sky are just wonderful to sing along to... and very, very loudly, too.
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I am genuinely surprised Illumination Theory has made the top 100 :lol
Oooh, I didn't think I'd be the highest ranker for anything but I am, and with a Mangini era tune, too! I love Bridges in the Sky. As a drunken singalong song, it is utterly perfect.
You and me both! I 'liked' it at the time, but the song has aged about as well as highschool yearbook photos!
That said, "Bridges in the Sky" is a top-10 banger for me...similar to "Home" in that it manages to put everything I LOVE about Dream Theater into a single song.
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There's one song left on my prediction list I'd be surprised making the top 25, but I have no idea what other song could replace it.
...and there it is, right on 25
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25. Illumination Theory 20 for me. Love the energy of the riffs and the middle section is sublime. Tchaikovsky would approve.
24. Beyond This Life 32 on my list. I actually love this tune more that the score would indicate.
23. Bridges In The Sky 43. Enjoyable, technical and soaring. Lots to love here. Mrs. P calls it the belching song.
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Illumination Theory... 90. the lowest ranking song left on my list. By far the least best of the 'epics' (at least until AVFTTOTW came along). For my ears, there is very little cohesion to this song.
Beyond this Life ... 87 - the second lowest ranking song left on my list. Just never did much for me. It sounds sititched together from at least 5 or 6 different ideas.
Bridges in the Sky ... 26. Lots of great moments spread throughout this tune. Starting with that opening riff. Great way to open the ADTOE shows.
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Rank - song - my rank
25 - Illumination theory - 36 - my love for this one has definitely waned a bit, highlight was seeing it live in Boston and now the BTFW version is the only one I listen to
24 - Beyond this life - 33 - as w most of scenes, loved this one from 1st listen
23 - Bridges in the sky - 42 - 'metal dt' highlight from the album, and a fantastic set opener
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
155. Hell's Kitchen
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
146. Disappear
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
142. Ytsejam
139. Panic Attack
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
132. Barstool Warrior
127. Lines In The Sand
125. Stream Of Consciousness
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
109. Outcry
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
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100.Slight chance of making the list at this point
99. No chance of making the list at this point
98. Another Day
97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
95. The Great Debate
94. No chance of making the list at this point
93. No chance of making the list at this point
92. No chance of making the list at this point
91. Slight chance of making the list at this point
90. On The Backs Of Angels
89. No chance of making the list at this point
88. No chance of making the list at this point
87. Slight chance of making the list at this point
86. No chance of making the list at this point
85. Constant Motion
84. Beneath The Surface
83. At Wit's End
82. Peruvian Skies
81. Space Dye Vest
80. The Enemy Inside
79. Strong chance of making the list at this point
78. Hollow Years
77. Slight chance of making the list at this point
76. The Shattered Fortress
75. No chance of making the list at this point
74. No chance of making the list at this point
73. Lie
72. No chance of making the list at this point
71. No chance of making the list at this point
70. No chance of making the list at this point
69. The Mirror
68. A Nightmare To Remember
67. The Silent Man
66. The Root Of All Evil
65. The Spirit Carries On
64. No chance of making the list at this point
63. No chance of making the list at this point
62. As I Am
61. These Walls
60. No chance of making the list at this point
59. The Gift of Music
58. Illumination Theory Slight chance of making the list at this point
57. The Bigger Picture
56. One Last Time
55. Pale Blue Dot
54. Answering The Call
53. Strong chance of making the list
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
50. Slight chance of making the list at this point
49. No chance of making the list at this point
48. Endless Sacrifice
47. No chance of making the list at this point
46. A New Beginning
45. No chance of making the list at this point
44. Forsaken
43. A View From The Top Of The World
42. Slight chance of making the list at this point
41. The Looking Glass
40. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
39. No chance of making the list at this point
38. The Dance Of Eternity
37. Beyond This Life Slight chance of making the list at this point
36. New Millenium
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
34. Wait For Sleep
33. Transcending Time
32. Slight chance of making the list at this point
31. The Best Of Times
30. Erotomania
29. Strong chance of making the list
28. Our New World
27. Strong chance of making the list
26. Bridges In The Sky Strong chance of making the list
25. Raise The Knife
24. 6:00
23. I Walk Beside You
22. No chance of making the list at this point
21. Sacrificed Sons
20. Lock to make the list
19. Caught In A Web
18. No chance of making the list at this point
17. Lock to make the list
16. Lock to make the list
15. Lock to make the list
14. To Live Forever
13. Lock to make the list
12. Strong chance of making the list
11. Lock to make the list
10. Lock to make the list
9. Innocence Faded
8. Lock to make the list
7. This Dying Soul
6. Misunderstood
5. This Is The Life
4. Overture 1928
3. Lock to make the list
2. Strong chance of making the list
1. No chance of making the list at this point
Bridges In The Sky benefitted greatly from being right behind the best song of the Mangini era, so I would continue to hear it pretty often. The intro isn't great, but the song builds from there so well and is, for me, a classic.
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Illumination Theory- I was right in line, #27 on my list. I'm pleasantly surprised it placed this high, I often feel like it gets overlooked among the DT epics. I can see why some might not like the orchestral section, but I love it. The section afterwards particularly rips, especially the BtFW version with James going all out :metal
Beyond This Life- I was just low on this, #37. This is the song that first grabbed my attention and helped me fall in love with Scenes. It's since been surpassed by other songs on that album, but it will always hold a special place for me. The Live at Budokan version Zappa jams are pretty neat too.
Bridges in the Sky- Another near bullseye, #24 on my list. Probably my second favorite song off ADToE. The intro is definitely a little bit odd, but gives the song something unique within the DT catalog. Once the riffs kick in though, buckle up. A great Mangini performance on this one as well.
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I had a feeling some of these late period songs would show up in high places!
25. Illumination Theory
#73 for me. Great epic. I'm glad the track with the EASTER EGG ranked this high. What up, Easter Egg Gang!
24. Beyond This Life
#32 for me. Hell yeah. Fun stuff.
23. Bridges In The Sky
#64 for me. My favorite ADTOE track and the one I was most excited to see live in 2012. Like the boss MirrorMask said, FANTASTIC chorus!
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25 Illumination Theory - My highest ranked song thus far, at # 8. The composition is fantastic, and one of the best marriages of lyrics + music in their entire body of work, and that middle ambient section either works for you or it doesn't. For me, it absolutely does. Just a wonderful, wonderful song.
24 Beyond This Life - Pretty close to the consensus here, I had it at # 29. Really tasty stuff.
23 Bridges In The Sky - I had it at # 58. I actually feel like I like it better than that lol. I would guess that it lost points for me with that long intro. Once the song proper kicks in, it's balls to the wall awesome.
I am genuinely surprised Illumination Theory has made the top 100 :lol
I understand not liking a song, but this seems a little ridiculous to me.
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nah IT is a bottom tier track for me as well
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nah IT is a bottom tier track for me as well
Yeah, I get the bolded part. But being surprised that ANYONE would like it is ridiculous.
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nah IT is a bottom tier track for me as well
Yeah, I get the bolded part. But being surprised that ANYONE would like it is ridiculous.
Of course it is ;)
Welcome to the forum!
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We're close to the end, so no point in being all coy.
The song that I assumed might have been there somehow, and how it's blatantly clear it won't, is Far from Heaven. I'm surprised it did not make enough lists to not even break the top 100.
There's another song that just has to be there, and I'm surprised it's so high, possibly in the top 20 with all the competition around.
Anyway, more generally, I think we can be 99% sure of what the remaining 22 songs will be...
About this, nuggets: 0, 6, 2, 1, 1, 4, 3, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1.
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Illumination theory was my #43. Not a top tier epic, but still a great song in its own right.
Beyond this life was my #6. My favorite song on the album, every second of it is perfect. What a masterpiece.
Bridges in the sky was my #19. It was the only song from the Mangini era to crack my top twenty. It's also great to see two Mangini era songs are already in the top 25, and I'm sure there's at least one more to come.
Oh, I also can't wait for the reveal on what Stadler's number one is. ;D
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Illumination Theory - 51
Beyond this Life - 68
Bridges in the Sky - 98
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Beyond The Life is great. There are parts of the narration in the verses that I find a bit awkward (and I’ve never liked the bits where Mike is just going “snare snare snare snare snare snare” really fast), but the chorus is excellent, and the instrumental bits are great.
Have heard but can’t really comment on the other two.
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25. Illumination Theory
24. Beyond This Life
23. Bridges In The Sky
IMO, Illumination Theory is the last truly GREAT song DT has released. Great intro and build. A couple of frenetic instrumental sections, a perfectly timed "rest" section, and a satisfying release. Structurally, it reminds me a lot of Close to the Edge. I had it at #13, and it came in at #23 in the prior countdown, so holding steady. Also, this is pretty obviously the last song we'll see from DT12.
Beyond This Life was really the only song on SFAM that I didn't like initially. The thrashy part turned me off a bit. I've always loved the instrumental section - especially the JM riff in 17/8. I had it at #24 (so...nailed it!), and it came in at #30 in the prior countdown.
Bridges in the Sky is another killer track, and it's even better live. My #2 ADTOE song (after the one that's still to be revealed) and my #30 overall. It dropped a bit from it's #16 finish in the prior countdown.
List Not Ranked
100 This Dying Soul (47T) Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall into the Light (72), Honor Thy Father (71), Raise the Knife (65), The Great Debate (53), Peruvian Skies (44T), Disappear (41), The Mirror (27)
98
97 This Is the Life (88)
96
95
94
93 Lines in the Sand (28)
92 The Ministry of Lost Souls (61)
91
90
89
88 Another Day (38)
87 Innocence Faded (42)
86 Lie (47T)
85
84 Forsaken (95)
83
82 Erotomania (40)
81 The Spirit Carries On (26)
80
79 Vacant (97)
78 Wait for Sleep (44T)
77 The Silent Man (66)
76
75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
74
73 A Nightmare to Remember (50)
72
71 These Walls (54)
70
69 At Wit's End (37)
68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
67 The Dark Eternal Night (70)
66 Pale Blue Dot (62)
65 Transcending Time (90)
64
63 Space-Dye Vest (30)
62
61 Beneath the Surface (64)
60 Hell's Kitchen (57)
59 Afterlife (96)
58
57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
56
55 The Alien (69)
54 The Root of All Evil (36)
53 The Bigger Picture (60)
52
51
50
49 As I Am (43)
48 A View from the Top of the World (49)
47 Lifting Shadows off a Dream (35)
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45
44 On the Backs of Angels (56)
43 Ytse Jam (67)
42 One Last Time (46)
41 Through Her Eyes (74)
40 The Dance of Eternity (33)
39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
38 Hollow Years (59)
37
36 Caught in a Web (51)
35 Barstool Warrior (52)
34 Endless Sacrifice (29)
33 Outcry (58)
32 6:00 (34)
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30 Bridges in the Sky (23)
29 Misunderstood (31)
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26
25 Overture 1928 (32)
24 Beyond This Life (24)
23
22
21
20
19 Sacrificed Sons (63)
18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
16
15 The Killing Hand (68)
14 Panic Attack (55)
13 Illumination Theory (25)
12
11 Stream of Consciousness (39)
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
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31. Misunderstood (#10) for a couple of personal reasons. And, in ’08, loved the simple lighting effects after the first chorus. Stage bathed in light blue….and then the crashing lights right after ‘God save me!’ My first DT album, so it was my first jump out of my chair, ‘is that Brian May’ DT moment! I’ve mentioned before that I give the ending The Beatles ‘I Want You’ treatment to it, and simply chop off the song at 8:08.
30. Space-Dye Vest (NR) beautiful and moody, but the samples ruin it for me. What can I say?
29. Endless Sacrifice (#90) can’t help being misophonic, so that one guitar note throughout gets me. Respect for most of the rest of it.
28. Lines In The Sand (NR) * oops, should have had this in the 80s. Not crazy about the guest vox
27. The Mirror (NR)
26. The Spirit Carries On (#1) Pleased that a couple of others feel the same way. I didn't own SFAM until just before I purchased 'Score'. That version elevates this to #1 for both me and Mrs. DA. (to make it personal, we change 'Victoria is real' to 'Victory is real...')
The Spirit Carries On: 3. It is to SFAM exactly what Comfortably Numb is to The Wall. My wife has three instructions for the day I croak: the guitars to my second nephew, the cars to the first one, this song played by my orchestra in my town's theatre.
Nice! :tup Along with 'Bohemian Rhapsody', this will be played at our memorial services.
25. Illumination Theory (#78) a tad long and so uneven, yet that's part of its charm. My cohost for preshows has this as his #1, gets all fired up and somewhat misty eyed when talking about his love for it.
24. Beyond This Life (#46) balls to the walls and moody as well
23. Bridges In The Sky (#23) great concert opener. Eleven minutes that seem to fly by in about three.
56/78 ***
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We're close to the end, so no point in being all coy.
The song that I assumed might have been there somehow, and how it's blatantly clear it won't, is Far from Heaven. I'm surprised it did not make enough lists to not even break the top 100.
There's another song that just has to be there, and I'm surprised it's so high, possibly in the top 20 with all the competition around.
Anyway, more generally, I think we can be 99% sure of what the remaining 22 songs will be...
About this, nuggets: 0, 6, 2, 1, 1, 4, 3, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1.
100% sure, although, to be nit picky: 0, 6, 2, (1), 1, 4, 3, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0
I'm not surprised FFH missed the top 100. It didn't make it last time.
My only mild surprises are Untethered Angel, Burning My Soul and A Life Left Behind.
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Illumination Theory - 33
Fantastic epic. I still maintain that the self titled is *the* go to album of the Mangini era.
Beyond This Life - 3
I honestly thought I’d be the highest on this one, but NoFred beat me out. It’s absolutely perfect in every way. I wouldn’t change a single note. It’s my favorite from SFAM, and I’ve always been a bit shocked that it doesn’t get more praise than “that other epic” from SFAM that I think is so overrated. EDIT - and the extended LAB version is the #1 DT live track of all time!!
Bridges in the Sky - 27
ADTOE is not a perfect album, but its “highs” are pretty damn high. Count me in as someone who preferred the original title though.
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Illumination Theory ranked 20. I'm as most prog heads a sucker for epics. This one is really good but not as good as some of DTs other epics.
Beyond This Life ended up 35th place. A great song of a great record.
Bridges In the Sky was placed at rank 63. I really liked this on release but I feel it has gone down a bit in ranking since then.
My ranking so far
6 Another Day (38)
7 Space-Dye Vest (30)
8 One Last Time (46)
11 The Dance of Eternity (33)
12 The Spirit Carries On (26)
17 The Mirror (27)
19 The Silent Man (66)
20 Illumination Theory (25)
22 6:00 (34)
21 Caught In a Web (51
27 Wait For Sleep (44t)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
35 Beyond This Life (24)
37 Our New World (93)
38 Innocence Faded (42)
40 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (35)
41 A View from the Top of the World (49t)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
47 Lie (47t)
48 Erotomania (40)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
63 Bridges In the Sky (23)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
61 At Wit's End ( 37)
62 Stream of Consciousness (39)
73 As I Am (43)
74 The Root of All Evil(36)
75 The Alien (69)
77 A Nightmare To Remember (49t)
78 Misunderstood (31)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
86 Peruvian Skies (44t)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
96 Endless Sacrifice (29)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Highest ranker of
8 One Last Time (46)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52), This Dying Soul (47t), Disappear (41), Overture 1928 (32), Lines In The Sand (28)
Rated: 45
Not rated: 30
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THE SCORE SO FAR
(Getting Ready for the Final Stretch Edition)
1. Awake (9 songs, 537 points): The Silent Man (66), Caught in a Web (51), Lie (47T), Innocence Faded (42), Erotomania (40), Lifting Shadows off a Dream (35), 6:00 (34), Space-Dye Vest (30), The Mirror (27)
2. Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory (6 songs, 371 points): Through Her Eyes (74), One Last Time (46), The Spirit Carries On (26), Beyond This Life (24)
3. Train of Thought (6 songs, 280 points): Vacant (97), Honor Thy Father (71), This Dying Soul (47T), As I Am (43), Stream of Consciousness (39), Endless Sacrifice (29)
4. A Dramatic Turn of Events (6 songs, 244 points): This Is the Life (88), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Beneath the Surface (64), Outcry (58), On the Backs of Angels (56), Bridges in the Sky (23)
5. Falling into Infinity (5 songs, 230 points): New Millennium (87), Hollow Years (59), Hell’s Kitchen (57), Peruvian Skies (44T), Lines in the Sand 28
6. Octavarium (6 songs, 218 points): Never Enough (100), I Walk Beside You (80), Sacrificed Sons (63), Panic Attack (55), These Walls (54), The Root of All Evil (36)
7. Distance over Time (5 songs, 188 points): S2N (94), Fall into the Light (72), Pale Blue Dot (62), Barstool Warrior (52), At Wit’s End (37)
8. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (3 songs, 178 points): The Great Debate (53), Disappear (41), Misunderstood (31)
9. Dream Theater (6 songs, 174 points): The Looking Glass (92), Behind the Veil (89), The Enemy Inside (83T), Surrender to Reason (83T), The Bigger Picture (60), Illumination Theory (25)
10. A View from the Top of the World (6 songs, 157 points): Transcending Time (90), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), Answering the Call (75), The Alien (69), A View from the Top of the World (49)
11. Images and Words (2 songs, 120 points): Wait for Sleep (44), Another Day (38)
12. When Dream and Day Unite (5 songs, 114 points): Afterlife (96), Only a Matter of Time (82), A Fortune in Lies (78), The Killing Hand (68), Ytse Jam (67)
13. Black Clouds & Silver Linings (4 songs, 99 points): Wither (99), The Shattered Fortress (79), The Best of Times (77), A Nightmare to Remember (50)
14. Systematic Chaos (4 songs, 92 points): Forsaken (95), Constant Motion (86), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61)
15. Other (2 songs, 61 points): To Live Forever (76), Raise the Knife (65)
16. The Astonishing (3 songs, 21 points): The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91)
Five albums done. DOT finished with 5 songs and 188 points; last time, it placed the same 5 songs but garnered 284 points. DT12 also ranked the same 6 songs but dropped from 278 points to 174. WDADU had a similar, but not as drastic, drop from 131 to 114 points. View, WDADU and TA will end up in the bottom 3 spots. "Other" will finish just ahead of View. The question is whether BC&SL and SC will pass DT12 and/or DOT. We'll know in the next couple of days. And, of course, the order of the top 8 will be interesting to see.
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At this point, I also thought Illumination Theory won't make it. I thought it would be somewhere in the 40th-60th range.
Illumination Theory - #89 - I don't mind some parts of it, but the song doesn't work for me as a whole. And yeah I've read the lengthy explanation someone posted back then how the concept works.
Beyond This Life - #35 - there are better songs on SFAM but this is still awesome. The melody "The witness heard a horrifying sound" still gives me chills, such a good moment.
Bridges in the Sky - #55 - I really love a lot of ADTOE songs, but this one is just good/alright.
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25. Illumination Theory
Highest Finish: 4 (Wim Kruithof)
A little surprised this placed so high. I like IT but I thought it would place more towards the middle of the list.
I am disappointed it's placed so low. This is an absolute masterpiece and right from the get go Paradox de la Lumière Noire expose some wonderful groovin' riffs and timesignatures. I like the reflection of part II Live, Die, Kill... but it's not till The Embracing Circle where this epic really starts to lift himself. Wonderful part, both magical and emotional. Those violins on Fourth Wall - combined with the artworks (cartoon) - are straight from heaven. The Pursuit of Truth (pt. IV) is not the greatest part of the song, but really settle the template for one of the most emotional endings of their entire catalog, Surrender, Trust & Passion. When I listen to it with my Marshall headphone on, it's almost impossible not to be moved with teary eyes.
I've seen Doug's reaction on it multiple times and somewhere here on DTF Ben_Jamin did a fantastic breakdown of the song. I ranked it as fourth, but on any given day this could easily be my #3.
096: Beyond This Life 72
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
091: Caught In a Web 40
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
080: Wait for Sleep 36
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
074: Sacrified Sons 9
073: 6:00 39
072: Erotomania 32
069: Innocence Faded 27
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
065: Another Day 27
063: Disappear 22
062: Peruvian Skies 18
061: Misunderstood 30
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
056: A Nightmare to Remember 6
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
050: Wither 49
049: Lifting Shadows Off a Dream 14
048: Transcending Time 42
046: Barstool Warrior 6
045: The Root of All Evil 9
044: Ytse Jam 23
043: The Spirit Carries On 17
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
038: The Dance of Eternity 5
037: The Bigger Picture 23
036: Lines In the Sand 8
034: As I Am 9
033: At Wit's End 4
031: Endless Sacrifice 2
030: Space-Dye Vest spot on
029: Awaken the Master 52
028: Stream of Conciousness 11
027: Honor Thy Father 44
025: Lie 22
024: One Last Time 22
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
015: The Mirror 12
014: This Dying Soul 33
012: Bridges In the Sky 11
010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
007: A View From the Top of the World 42
004: Illumination Theory 21 highest
not ranked: 10 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night / Overture 1928
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Now we're talking, 3 killer songs here and all with a myriad of twists and turns. Well, not so much BiTS which is a little more straightforward but kicks butt. Love MP's drum beats in the first 2 verses of BTL and IT probably has my favorite Mangini performance.
5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
9 The Great Debate
11 Outcry
12 Overture 1928
16 One Last Time
18 Illumination Theory
19 Beyond This Life
20 Lost Not Forgotten
22 A View From the Top of the World
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
28 Fall Into the Light
29 Bridges in the Sky
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
33 Disappear
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
42 The Root of All Evil
46 Misunderstood
48 A Fortune in Lies
52 Barstool Warrior
51 Our New World
53 At Wit's End
54 Wither
55 The Alien
56 Lifting Shadows off a Dream
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
59 Innocence Faded
61 I Walk Beside You
62 Endless Sacrifice
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
65 Wait for Sleep
66 The Bigger Picture
67 A Nightmare to Remember
68 Sleeping Giant
70 The Ministry of Lost Souls
72 The Dance of Eternity
75 Panic Attack
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
88 The Mirror
93 Another Day
95 On the Backs of Angels
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen, These Walls, Caught in a Web, Lie, This Dying Soul, Peruvian Skies, As I Am, Erotomania, Stream of Consciousness, 6:00, Space-Dye Vest, The Spirit Carries On, Lines in the Sand
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time, Outcry
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Bridges in the Sky (my #12) is my favorite Mangini era song. Totally killer solo section - just a minor detail - but I specially love the using of that piccolo snare drum. How I wish to listen to it with a great drum sound!
I love immensely Illumination Theory (my #17), but I still wish that middle section had some participation of the band playing, it would help to add more coesiveness to the song.
Beyond This Life (my #13) is the best song on Scenes, it is heavy as f... and very creative with those Radiohed pre-chorus and Frank Zappa section.
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25. Illumination Theory
Highest Finish: 4 (Wim Kruithof)
Number of Lists appeared on: 62 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
24. Beyond This Life
Highest Finish: 2 (NoFred)
Number of Lists appeared on: 64 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
23. Bridges In The Sky
Highest Finish: 5 (nobloodyname)
Number of Lists appeared on: 65 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had Illumination Theory at #57.
Up until the mellow part in the middle, this is Grade A stuff. In fact, the minute before that part is one of my favorite one minute segments in the catalog. But that section stops the song dead in its tracks and I have no idea why they thought that was a good idea. It comes out of punching big time, but then it just kind of meanders until the end. Really uneven for me. Still, it's good for what it is, but not perfect.
I had Beyond This Life at #72.
A tad surprised this is rated so high. I like it, and probably am guilty ofunderrating it myself, but it feels like it can be kind of a chore to get through as good as it is.
I had Bridges In The Sky at #48.
Really solid tune and it worked excellent as a set opener.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 6:00 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 The Root Of All Evil Transcending Time
95 Lie Behind The Veil
94 New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 Zydar The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot As I Am
84 Misunderstood
83 The Mirror
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78 Stream Of Consciousness
77 A Nightmare To Remember
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72 Beyond This Life
71
70 One Last Time
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58 Wait For Sleep
57 Illumination Theory
56 The Spirit Carries On
55
54 Barstool Warrior
53
52
51 Erotomania
50
49
48 Bridges In The Sky
47
46
45 Overture 1928
44 Panic Attack
43 Innocence Faded
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39 A View From The Top Of The World
38 At Wits End
37 Fall Into The Light
36
35 The Gift Of Music
34 The Dance Of Eternity
33 Peruvian Skies
32 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20 This Dying Soul
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15
14 The Best Of Times
13 Endless Sacrifice
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10
9
8 Lines In The Sand
7 Disappear
6
5 Space Dye Vest
4 The Killing Hand
3
2
1
60-18
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25. Illumination Theory (91st) DREAM THEATER, IF YOU'RE READING THIS, DO MORE STUFF IN THE VEIN OF THE LAST FEW MINUTES OF THIS SONG. SO GOOD.
24. Beyond This Life (88th) I'm a SFAM hater, what can I say? It's an okay song though.
23. Bridges In The Sky (8th) This song could be top 5 but the intro is too long, it's otherwise a stellar song. When JLB sings "crossing bridges in the sky", it's so good.
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Illumination Theory - count me as another me as another person who is surprised to see this rank so high. Starts off great and then loses its way. My rank 71. Lowest song left on my list that will make it overall.
Beyond this Life - awesome, epic track. My rank 23.
Bridges in the Sky - lots to love about this song, could have ranked this higher but it ended up at 64.
That update filled a couple of gaps in my list.
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25. Illumination Theory (91st) DREAM THEATER, IF YOU'RE READING THIS, DO MORE STUFF IN THE VEIN OF THE LAST FEW MINUTES OF THIS SONG. SO GOOD.
24. Beyond This Life (88th) I'm a SFAM hater, what can I say? It's an okay song though.
23. Bridges In The Sky (8th) This song could be top 5 but the intro is too long, it's otherwise a stellar song. When JLB sings "crossing bridges in the sky", it's so good.
James I agree, that last little added bit on illumination theory is better than the entire song
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25. Illumination Theory (91st) DREAM THEATER, IF YOU'RE READING THIS, DO MORE STUFF IN THE VEIN OF THE LAST FEW MINUTES OF THIS SONG. SO GOOD.
24. Beyond This Life (88th) I'm a SFAM hater, what can I say? It's an okay song though.
23. Bridges In The Sky (8th) This song could be top 5 but the intro is too long, it's otherwise a stellar song. When JLB sings "crossing bridges in the sky", it's so good.
James I agree, that last little added bit on illumination theory is better than the entire song
I said that exact thing when it came out and I stand by it. DT needs to mellow it out a little.
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25. Illumination Theory - like others, I too am surprised this one ranked as high as it is. It just made it in mine at 95. There are several parts of this song I like, but unfortunately the song as a whole is a rather incohesive mess. I really feel that they were trying to live to previous epics such as ACoS, TCoT etc. but the absence of MP as an arranger is felt here - I feel that had he been in the room when this was being created, he would have made a big contribution in making this one flow better. Songs like Octavarium, ACoS and TCoT really feel like they're taking you on a journey. This one rather awkwardly lurches around from grand-sounding slow sections, to heavy rocking sections, to rather noodly sections and that bit in the middle... it's nice and all, but it just comes out of nowhere and doesn't feel as climatic as I think it's supposed to be (compare to the middle sections of TCoT and View - that do a much better job). And that final lyrical section - god, it's just so cheesy I sort of cringe every time I listen to it. I mean, I like the lyrics - they did help me through a particularly tough time - but they are a bit preachy.
A large part of why this actually made my top 100 is that easter egg at the end. Honestly, I could listen to JP and JR playing that for hours, it would make great background music.
24. Beyond This Life - this made it to my 6. This is an example of a song that really exemplifies everything DT is about. It has heavy sections, melodic sections, very technical playing and a crazy instrumental section containing some of the grooviest riffs they have ever played together. And the Budokan version, oh my god.
23. Bridges In The Sky - 99 for me. Probably my favourite song off ADToE, but that's not a particularly big compliment from me as I don't care much for the album. Great chorus though.
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I had IT at number 5. I think it's easily one of the best things they have done. Surrender, Trust and Passion is close to the most emotional and best thing they've ever done. I get chills every time I hear James on that whole section.
BTL I had at 60. Great song although I've always felt it's slightly overrated.
BITS came in at 45. Probably a bit high for me, but it's an enjoyable ride.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 Disappear The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84 Stream Of Consciousness
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77 Lines in the Sand
76
75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
73 One Last Time
72 Peruvian Skies
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63 Panic Attack
62
61 On the Backs of Angels
60 Beyond This Life
59
58 Afterlife
57 Caught In A Web
56
55
54 The Great Debate
53 A Nightmare to Remember
52 Erotomania
51 Answering the Call
50 The Spirit Carries On
49 Space-Dye Vest
48 The Shattered Fortress
47
46 As I Am
45 Bridges in the Sky
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43
42 Never Enough
41 Wait For Sleep
40
39
38
37 The Bigger Picture
36 Outcry
35
34 Lie
33 The Root of All Evil
32 I Walk Beside You
31
30 A View From the Top of the World
29 Surrender to Reason
28 Barstool Warrior
27 Another Day
26 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
25 Endless Sacrifice
24 Innocence Faded
23 Misunderstood
22
21
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18
17
16
15
14
13 These Walls
12 At Wit's End
11 The Mirror
10
9
8
7
6
5 Illumination Theory
4
3
2 This Dying Soul.
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24. Beyond This Life
Highest Finish: 2 (NoFred)
I feel the first half of SFAM is a perfect run of music that works like a single composition. It builds up seamlessly to the amazing Fatal Tragedy, and even now when I listen I think “there’s no way they can keep this up” - then Beyond This Life plays… and it’s just a gigantic song in every respect. And one that’s quintessential Dream Theater (my number one is less so).
I thought I may have upped it a spot from my first DT top 100, but I had it at #2 then too.
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EDIT - and the extended LAB version is the #1 DT live track of all time!!
It might be for me as well, and I ranked the studio version at #51. And once I heard them refer to a part of the song as the "Zappa section" I decided I must not like Zappa's music, because that section is awful :lol
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Am I right in saying there were 66 lists submitted for the countdown? If so, then only 1 person didn't have Bridges in the Sky on their list which I find pretty amazing.
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I had IT at number 5. I think it's easily one of the best things they have done. Surrender, Trust and Passion is close to the most emotional and best thing they've ever done. I get chills every time I hear James on that whole section.
One love Kade.
Am I right in saying there were 66 lists submitted for the countdown? If so, then only 1 person didn't have Bridges in the Sky on their list which I find pretty amazing.
Thou should be ashamed...
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EDIT - and the extended LAB version is the #1 DT live track of all time!!
It might be for me as well, and I ranked the studio version at #51. And once I heard them refer to a part of the song as the "Zappa section" I decided I must not like Zappa's music, because that section is awful :lol
Repeat after me….every note is absolute perfection!!!
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I had IT at number 5. I think it's easily one of the best things they have done. Surrender, Trust and Passion is close to the most emotional and best thing they've ever done. I get chills every time I hear James on that whole section.
One love Kade.
Nice one on the highest ranking mate. It astounds me this isn't considered a fan fav top 10 song truthfully.
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Illumination Theory: 19. Grandiose perfectly paced story, the kind bands used to write in the 70's, when progressive meant "mating with classical music with no limits", not just "intricate and technical".
Beyond This Life: 11. Heavy as balls, jazzy as hell, exciting from the fist to the last note. Untouchable songwriting.
Bridges in the Sky: 17. It would not have felt out of place inside I&W, and I can't imagine a higher praise.
The Score so far:
3 - The Spirit Carries On
4 - Lines in the Sand
7 - Misunderstood
9 - Space-Dye Vest
11 - Beyond This Life
14 - Stream of Consciousness
17 - Bridges in the Sky
19 - Illumination Theory
21 - A New Beginning
23 - Disappear
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
31 - Erotomania
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
42 - Another Day
43 - One Last Time
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
54 - Peruvian Skies
55 - The Dance of Eternity
56 - The Bigger Picture
61 - Wait for Sleep
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
69 - Overture 1928
70 - Innocence Faded
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
76 - Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
77 - At Wit's End
78 - Lie
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
88 - The Mirror
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
91 - 6:00
92 - The Killing Hand
93 - Endless Sacrifice
95 - Barstool Warrior
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 32
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I had AVFTTOTW at number 30. This surprised me where it ended up but I've been loving this song more and more. When I started to warm to some of the new album, it was this song I kept coming back to. It took so long to grow but it's worthy of it's ranking. I think everything about it is just excellent and I love the twist of the outro, very classy.
wolfking you loving the View-epic, I'm so glad. Often you drop some pretty rough opinions on tracks here and there, but what I really respect is that you keep on going back to tracks, to see if they age well (The Astonishing breakdown for example). And then you're the first to admit it took some time but (in some cases) pieces have grown. That - combined with you being skilled AF yourself on Petrucci's Ibanez - make me read your posts with very much interest.
I keep forgetting to go back to this but thank you so much Wim, I really appreciate your respect and praise.
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Looking ahead: If songs 22 and 21 will be from either I&W, SFAM, Six Degrees or Dramatic, it will mean that every album from the first tenure of Mike Portnoy (with the exception of the debut) will have at least a song in the top 20.
Pending major and unpredictable upsets of course, but I'm starting to fear that it's gonna be tough for You Not Me and The Answer from now on.....
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I have a lot more time for YNM than those SFAM ballads! (My 27!).
Also had to revisit ‘Out of Reach’, which seemed to get a lot of hate upthread; I really like it. I wish I could swap it for Room 137, which somehow made my 100 at 35. It’s a turd, to be fair.
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Great update today!
22. In The Presence Of Enemies
Highest Finish: 1 (Evermind)
Number of Lists appeared on: 60 (Adami, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
The best song off one of the best DT albums. The song works great listening whether you listen to one part of the whole thing.
21. Blind Faith
Highest Finish: 3 (procacultor)
Number of Lists appeared on: 59 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking)
Depending on the day this is my favorite SDOIT track. I've always wanted to see this song live but I don't think it'll ever happen.
20. Surrounded
Highest Finish: 2 (Zydar)
Number of Lists appeared on: 62 (Adami, Animal, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
The weakest track off I&W IMO. I remember when I downloaded I&W from kazaa it was missing this track. A few weeks later I ended up finding it and taking a listen, didn't care for it then, don't really care for it now.
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In the presence of enemies was my #13. I was surprised by how high I ranked it, but then again, I do adore it. An underrated epic from one of their underrated albums.
Blind faith was my #85. I'm not too crazy about it, as most songs on Six degrees overshadow it slightly, but it's still a fine prog rock cut, not too heavy.
Surrounded was my #57. Zydar, am I getting it right that you had Surrounded at #2 and Another day at #3? That's an original choice of favorites not only from Images and words, but also from the band in general.
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Rank - Song - My rank
22 - In the presence of enemies - 13 - high point of SC for me, love this one
21 - blind faith - 18 - second highest ranked from SDOIT, still have not seen live and really hope they bring it back . . . .
20 - surrounded - NR - in the same boat as reaperkk, this song has never done anything for me
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22. In The Presence Of Enemies 37
21. Blind Faith 26
20. Surrounded 93
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ITPOE ... I had it at 23, so nearly right in aligned with the masses. It would probably jump 10 spots higher if not for The Reckoning. That is one of the worst instrumental sections in their library. Honestly, my 2nd fave DT concert moment was The Slaughter of the Damned. This was the tour that James finally learned how to be a charismatic frontman.
Blind Faith ... truly glorious. My fave from 6DOIT. Not a damned thing I don't love about this song.
Surrounded... 8. I thought this might've been one I'd have an outside chance of being the highest rater for, but alas. This song holds a very special place in my heart for very personal reasons in the early stages of my relationship with mrs.jingle (you can connect the dots).
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All great tracks this time.
ITPOE: #10: The first couple of minutes of Pt. II have to be one of my favorite moments in DT discography. I remember how fascinated I was at the 4/4 to 9/8 switches.
BF: #7: Great song. Love the progression it has.
Surrounded: #19 This could've easily been a top 15 for me. What a great track and such a fun sounding guitar solo.
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Zydar, am I getting it right that you had Surrounded at #2 and Another day at #3? That's an original choice of favorites not only from Images and words, but also from the band in general.
What can I say, I'm a sucker for Images And Words - and those songs in particular just hits the spot for me.
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22. In The Presence Of Enemies
Great song, not perfect but on this one I can tolerate the cheese factor. the buildup for the dark master part is cool, and so is the "angels fall all for you, heretic" mellow section. While good, I think they could have cut a bit the intro, and after all those minutes, the final solo section before the majestic finale doesn't feel particularly interesting, just another solo spot conjured in LTE mode.
Anyway, all in all great song, it was cool to hear it live! I do not fiiiight for you.... darrrrk masteeeerrrrrr! (but instead I rank you at 43, 21 positions lower)
21. Blind Faith
The song is cool and all, no particular complaints for me, but with so much competition, it never really grabbed me to the point of "wow, timeless masterpiece". So, while liking quite a lot the song anyway, it did not go past 60 for me, 39 positions lower.
20. Surrounded
Masterpiece. Delicate and uplifting like most of Images and Words. DT at their melodic, poetic best. It finished at 33 - mmmh it slipped past me, I should have put it 5-6 positions higher at least. I trusted the ranker 'cause it got my top 3 right, but on this one it dropped the ball.
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ITPOE - DNR
I like part 1 pretty well, but nothing could have prepared me for the disappointment of part 2. Like so many other songs on SC, the lyrics (which are usually just “there” for DT) are distractingly terrible. Whenever I listen to this album, I usually end up laughing at something that is supposed to be serious, or I’m just bored. This is their worst epic from their worst album.
Blind Faith - 71
Great song…just 70 songs are better.
Surrounded - 19
Loved it from day one! The time shifting in this one is so much fun! I especially love the “dark to light, light to dark, dark to light” part. This whole song makes me smile uncontrollably from start to finish!
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In the Presence of Enemies did not rank. Dark Master..... hmmm. Not really what I want in DT but listening to it now it's not that bad it's just that DT have many better songs
Blind Faith did not rank either. Could possibly have ranked in the lower third if I had listened during ranking.
Surrounded ended up at 13th place in my ranking. Another really beautiful song from an album that blew my mind when I first heard it back in the day.
My ranking so far
6 Another Day (38)
7 Space-Dye Vest (30)
8 One Last Time (46)
11 The Dance of Eternity (33)
12 The Spirit Carries On (26)
13 Surrounded (20)
17 The Mirror (27)
19 The Silent Man (66)
20 Illumination Theory (25)
22 6:00 (34)
21 Caught In a Web (51
27 Wait For Sleep (44t)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
35 Beyond This Life (24)
37 Our New World (93)
38 Innocence Faded (42)
40 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (35)
41 A View from the Top of the World (49t)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
47 Lie (47t)
48 Erotomania (40)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
63 Bridges In the Sky (23)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
61 At Wit's End ( 37)
62 Stream of Consciousness (39)
73 As I Am (43)
74 The Root of All Evil(36)
75 The Alien (69)
77 A Nightmare To Remember (49t)
78 Misunderstood (31)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
86 Peruvian Skies (44t)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
96 Endless Sacrifice (29)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Highest ranker of
8 One Last Time (46)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52), This Dying Soul (47t), Disappear (41), Overture 1928 (32), Lines In The Sand (28), In the Presence of Enemies (22), Blind Faith (21)
Rated: 46
Not rated: 32
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ITPOE - DNR
I like part 1 pretty well, but nothing could have prepared me for the disappointment of part 2. Like so many other songs on SC, the lyrics (which are usually just “there” for DT) are distractingly terrible. Whenever I listen to this album, I usually end up laughing at something that is supposed to be serious, or I’m just bored. This is their worst epic from their worst album.
Blind Faith - 71
Great song…just 70 songs are better.
Surrounded - 19
Loved it from day one! The time shifting in this one is so much fun! I especially love the “dark to light, light to dark, dark to light” part. This whole song makes me smile uncontrollably from start to finish!
Agree with all here.... especially the bolded
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22. In The Presence Of Enemies
#72 for me. Feels fair, but boy is this song FUN. The other day I heard parts 1 and 2 in sequence for the first time in a long time in my car (skipping from track 1 to track 8 was only a little bit awkward), like they played it live (and reflecting the track's inclusion in this here ranking), very, very cool. So headbang-y!
21. Blind Faith
Boy do I feel naked now, my top 3 tracks have all been revealed! And I was the highest ranker in each of those, apparently (ooh isn't he a special kid). I guess part of what relaxed me in terms of going to see DT live for a while was "man, I've seen most of my favorite tracks live, I'm alright". (they played Blind Faith in '08, 6:00 and ______ in '12 and SDV in '14, so all I'm missing from my top 5 is CIAW). About the track proper... I'm a sucker for how JP used that baritone guitar for texture. James is on point. JM, JR and MP are all at the top of their powers... I get lost for words. A huge favorite.
20. Surrounded
#76 for me. I used to think I didn't like it, but I was so wrong. Beautiful.
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Zydar, am I getting it right that you had Surrounded at #2 and Another day at #3? That's an original choice of favorites not only from Images and words, but also from the band in general.
What can I say, I'm a sucker for Images And Words - and those songs in particular just hits the spot for me.
Kudos, man, I love seeing an interesting take on favorite songs. :tup
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
155. Hell's Kitchen
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
146. Disappear
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
142. Ytsejam
139. Panic Attack
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
132. Barstool Warrior
127. Lines In The Sand
125. Stream Of Consciousness
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
118. In The Presence Of Enemies
109. Outcry
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
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100.Slight chance of making the list at this point
99. No chance of making the list at this point
98. Another Day
97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
95. The Great Debate
94. No chance of making the list at this point
93. No chance of making the list at this point
92. No chance of making the list at this point
91. Slight chance of making the list at this point
90. On The Backs Of Angels
89. No chance of making the list at this point
88. No chance of making the list at this point
87. Slight chance of making the list at this point
86. No chance of making the list at this point
85. Constant Motion
84. Beneath The Surface
83. At Wit's End
82. Peruvian Skies
81. Space Dye Vest
80. The Enemy Inside
79. Strong chance of making the list at this point
78. Hollow Years
77. Slight chance of making the list at this point
76. The Shattered Fortress
75. No chance of making the list at this point
74. No chance of making the list at this point
73. Lie
72. No chance of making the list at this point
71. No chance of making the list at this point
70. No chance of making the list at this point
69. The Mirror
68. A Nightmare To Remember
67. The Silent Man
66. The Root Of All Evil
65. The Spirit Carries On
64. No chance of making the list at this point
63. No chance of making the list at this point
62. As I Am
61. These Walls
60. No chance of making the list at this point
59. The Gift of Music
58. Illumination Theory
57. The Bigger Picture
56. One Last Time
55. Pale Blue Dot
54. Answering The Call
53. Strong chance of making the list
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
50. Slight chance of making the list at this point
49. No chance of making the list at this point
48. Endless Sacrifice
47. No chance of making the list at this point
46. A New Beginning
45. No chance of making the list at this point
44. Forsaken
43. A View From The Top Of The World
42. Slight chance of making the list at this point
41. The Looking Glass
40. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
39. No chance of making the list at this point
38. The Dance Of Eternity
37. Beyond This Life
36. New Millenium
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
34. Wait For Sleep
33. Transcending Time
32. Blind Faith Slight chance of making the list at this point
31. The Best Of Times
30. Erotomania
29. Strong chance of making the list
28. Our New World
27. Strong chance of making the list
26. Bridges In The Sky
25. Raise The Knife
24. 6:00
23. I Walk Beside You
22. No chance of making the list at this point
21. Sacrificed Sons
20. Lock to make the list
19. Caught In A Web
18. No chance of making the list at this point
17. Lock to make the list
16. Lock to make the list
15. Lock to make the list
14. To Live Forever
13. Lock to make the list
12. Strong chance of making the list
11. Surrounded Lock to make the list
10. Lock to make the list
9. Innocence Faded
8. Lock to make the list
7. This Dying Soul
6. Misunderstood
5. This Is The Life
4. Overture 1928
3. Lock to make the list
2. Strong chance of making the list
1. No chance of making the list at this point
I didn't see Blind Faith being a lock here; I love that song so I'm glad it's here. Surrounded is just... I love every permutation of that song. The album version, the live version, the EXTENDED live version (I love the Chaos In Motion arrangement, with the solo and the interpolations).
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Never say never, but by now I'd be absolutely surprised that the remaining 19 songs aren't those pg1067 and I identified with our small font count.
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22. In The Presence Of Enemies
Highest Finish: 1 (Evermind)
Number of Lists appeared on: 60 (Adami, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
21. Blind Faith
Highest Finish: 3 (procacultor)
Number of Lists appeared on: 59 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, Wim Kruithof, wolfking)
20. Surrounded
Highest Finish: 2 (Zydar)
Number of Lists appeared on: 62 (Adami, Animal, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had In The Presence Of Enemies at #36.
Even with the goofy lyrics, this song kicks ass. Has the DT cliche'd quiet middle part, but it's a part that kicks so much ass.
I had Blind Faith at #47.
It's weird, as it still made my Top 50, but I feel I still underrate this song.
I had Surrounded at #25.
Just a wonderful track. Always delivers.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 6:00 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 The Root Of All Evil Transcending Time
95 Lie Behind The Veil
94 New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 Zydar The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot As I Am
84 Misunderstood
83 The Mirror
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78 Stream Of Consciousness
77 A Nightmare To Remember
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72 Beyond This Life
71
70 One Last Time
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58 Wait For Sleep
57 Illumination Theory
56 The Spirit Carries On
55
54 Barstool Warrior
53
52
51 Erotomania
50
49
48 Bridges In The Sky
47 Blind Faith
46
45 Overture 1928
44 Panic Attack
43 Innocence Faded
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39 A View From The Top Of The World
38 At Wits End
37 Fall Into The Light
36 In The Presence Of Enemies
35 The Gift Of Music
34 The Dance Of Eternity
33 Peruvian Skies
32 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25 Surrounded
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20 This Dying Soul
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15
14 The Best Of Times
13 Endless Sacrifice
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10
9
8 Lines In The Sand
7 Disappear
6
5 Space Dye Vest
4 The Killing Hand
3
2
1
63-18
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Never say never, but by now I'd be absolutely surprised that the remaining 19 songs aren't those pg1067 and I identified with our small font count.
Looking at the list in retrospect, the last song I hadn't been absolutely confident would make make the list was These Walls at 54. I know, I know, anyone is a great predictor in retrospect...
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Illumination Theory 55 This got a lot better upon the coundown-related DT listening binge. And it's one of theose songs that I kept coming back to after the submission period was over. And it got better with every single listen. If I were ranking it now, it would certainly break Top 20. I lactually like the full orchestra part, reminds me of some of my favorite composers.
Beyond this Life 48 It was always a bit of an underdog on the might Sceness, but it fully justifies its runtime on that amazing album.
Bridges in the Sky 34 One of the iconic MM era songs.
In the Presence of Enemies NR I like the Sherlock-like guitar parts in the Pt 1 but barely remember the rest.
Blind Faith 46 A song that, to my ear, is a good evidence that Indiscipline's DT compass is essentially correct (although I had the Mirror at 4 so what do I know...)
Surrounded 49 A great song, unlike any other in DT catalog. I just, like the rest of Images and Words, like it a bit less than is the general consensus, probably because I am not too fond of KM¨s keyboard sounds on that album.
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Blind Faith is hands down my favorite thing on SDOIT, and maybe the last really great DT song for me. Love the atmosphere on the intro, and the build up through the verse to the chorus. Unique solo from JP, with a great instrumental section that finishes with that awesome unison run. Great vocal from James. MP is on fire. Whole band is locked in on this one.
Surrounded is possibly the song that has held up the best for me from I&W. I’m almost always up for hearing it. Just a bright, joyful track once it gets going. Love the “Heaven must be more than this” section so much. Proggy over metal, but still has that really shreddy solo. Love it.
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22. In The Presence Of Enemies (#100) Pt1 I would list at #50. The DC show in '08 opened with 'Ant Odyssey' followed by this ( not 'Constant Motion' as on CiM). What a great 1-2 opening punch! Pt2 is not my cup of DT lyrical tea, so I compromised on my ranking. I gave that a listen today for the first time in over a decade, and nothing has changed. My SC ends with ‘Ministry of Lost Souls’.
21. Blind Faith (#49) fits like a glove on Six Degrees.
20. Surrounded (#12) Kev’s not here to mention the synth copying the beginning of Queen’s ‘Father To Son’, so I will, since that has stuck with me ever since (in a good way). The ‘dark to light, light to dark’ segment has already been mentioned. :tup
59/81 ***
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In the Presence of Enemies- Very close, I had this at #23. not my favorite DT epic, but maybe the most fun. Heavy riffs and dramatic vocals about (the "Angels fall" bit is especially great).
Blind Faith- I was just higher, came in at #18. My second favorite song from Six Degrees, this is just a great song with a killer instrumental section. The guitar solo is underrated and then the keyboard break and unison are just absolute money.
Surrounded- That's a bingo! #20 for me as well. This song didn't click with me at first, but the live version with the Sugar Mice jam from the 2007 tour really converted me.
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22. In The Presence Of Enemies
21. Blind Faith
20. Surrounded
ITPOE made my ranking at #85, but I really don't like it all that much. I very distinctly remember listening for the first time after receiving it from Amazon. The song started nicely, but when it went into the "Flight of the Bumblebee" section, I really felt like DT had jumped the shark. There are some nice moments, but I can't really think of any off the top of my head. ITPOE finished at #25 in the prior countdown, so pretty much the same this time, and we have seen the last Systematic Chaos song, which means the album will finish a few points behind DT12 in the overall album rankings.
Blind Faith, on the other hand, is my favorite song on SDOIT (if the "title track" is properly regarded as a multi-song suite, which it isn't for purposes of this countdown). I initially overlooked this song (along with Misunderstood) because I didn't really like TGP, and the rest of disc 1 isn't all that good - especially in comparison to disc 2 (which I basically played on a loop for most of 2002). However, a few years later, I heard some random videos that had this song I didn't recognize. After I figured it out and gave the song fair consideration, I fell in love. Such an amazing piece, and JR's piano synth solo section is easily a top 5 moment in the band's catalog. I ranked the song at #9. It finished at #22 in the prior countdown, so another one with little change in position.
Surrounded was originally a bit of an afterthought on I&W, being sandwiched between Take the Time and Metropolis. Great song. Back when my wife would tolerate DT, we would sing harmonies over the intro and outro sections. I ranked it at #22, and it came in at #15 in the prior countdown.
List Not Ranked
100 This Dying Soul (47T) Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall into the Light (72), Honor Thy Father (71), Raise the Knife (65), The Great Debate (53), Peruvian Skies (44T), Disappear (41), The Mirror (27)
98
97 This Is the Life (88)
96
95
94
93 Lines in the Sand (28)
92 The Ministry of Lost Souls (61)
91
90
89
88 Another Day (38)
87 Innocence Faded (42)
86 Lie (47T)
85 In the Presence of Enemies (22)
84 Forsaken (95)
83
82 Erotomania (40)
81 The Spirit Carries On (26)
80
79 Vacant (97)
78 Wait for Sleep (44T)
77 The Silent Man (66)
76
75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
74
73 A Nightmare to Remember (50)
72
71 These Walls (54)
70
69 At Wit's End (37)
68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
67 The Dark Eternal Night (70)
66 Pale Blue Dot (62)
65 Transcending Time (90)
64
63 Space-Dye Vest (30)
62
61 Beneath the Surface (64)
60 Hell's Kitchen (57)
59 Afterlife (96)
58
57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
56
55 The Alien (69)
54 The Root of All Evil (36)
53 The Bigger Picture (60)
52
51
50
49 As I Am (43)
48 A View from the Top of the World (49)
47 Lifting Shadows off a Dream (35)
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45
44 On the Backs of Angels (56)
43 Ytse Jam (67)
42 One Last Time (46)
41 Through Her Eyes (74)
40 The Dance of Eternity (33)
39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
38 Hollow Years (59)
37
36 Caught in a Web (51)
35 Barstool Warrior (52)
34 Endless Sacrifice (29)
33 Outcry (58)
32 6:00 (34)
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30 Bridges in the Sky (23)
29 Misunderstood (31)
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26
25 Overture 1928 (32)
24 Beyond This Life (24)
23
22 Surrounded (20)
21
20
19 Sacrificed Sons (63)
18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
16
15 The Killing Hand (68)
14 Panic Attack (55)
13 Illumination Theory (25)
12
11 Stream of Consciousness (39)
10
9 Blind Faith (21)
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
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I think we are entering the realm of All Killer, No Filler.
22 In The Presence of Enemies - # 34 for me. Best song on that album, I think. Pt. 1 much better than Pt. 2, but I still like the whole thing a lot. Fun song to drive to.
21 Blind Faith - Just a fantastic, fantastic song. I had it at # 14. One of the best songs on an incredible album. One that has escaped me live thus far; I hope they bring it back in the future.
20 Surrounded - A beautiful song. # 27 for me. Really, just a gorgeous piece of songwriting.
13 of my top 20 are still alive.
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In the Presence of Enemies - #1 - my favourite and also the most listened-to DT song. By far the most fun of their epics. I don't mind the soul-searching lyrics in their other epics, but sometimes you just need some good fun in terms of dark masters, heretics, manatees and also in terms of counts of Tuscany sometimes (I suppose that's still coming up!). The quiet section is their best as far as epics go for me. First part is all killer, no filler. Second part is the same. :lol Guess I'm so used to the instrumental section I don't mind it at all, I love it. This song just rocks. Definitely thought I won't be the only #1 ranker.
I know it's somewhat polarizing and not for everyone though.
Blind Faith - #38 - best song on SDOIT for me, but still not amazing. Solid chorus.
Surrounded - #58 - if not for UAGM, this song would've been my least favourite on I&W. I still do like it quite a bit.
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Never say never, but by now I'd be absolutely surprised that the remaining 19 songs aren't those pg1067 and I identified with our small font count.
Looking at the list in retrospect, the last song I hadn't been absolutely confident would make make the list was These Walls at 54. I know, I know, anyone is a great predictor in retrospect...
I didn't give much thought to what was still to come until we hit #44 (tie between Peruvian Skies and Wait for Sleep). I was a little surprised that Skies made the list, so I set about thinking what was still to come. I figured out the top 43 with about 98% certainty, and once Disappear was revealed, I've been 100% confident about what's left.
The bottom 8 spots in the album rankings are set, with the only questions being the order between DOT and BC&SL for the 9/10 spots and between View and "Other" for the 13/14 spots which we likely won't know until the last few songs are revealed. For now:
9. DOT (a virtual lock for this spot)
10. DT12 (has the #11 spot locked)
11. SC (has the #12 spot locked)
12. View (will likely finish in the #14 spot, with an outside chance of #13)
13. WDADU (has the #15 spot locked)
14. BC&SL (will jump to #10, with a small chance of hitting #9)
15. Other (likely #13)
16. TA (locked in the cellar)
Awake (the top album from the last countdown - largely because it has more songs than anything other than SFAM) and SFAM (#2 last time) will be duking it out for the top spot again
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In The Presence of Enemies (my #81). It seems like a bit of consensus here, the first part is better than the second which weaks the song as a whole. Still a very good song, it just should be better as an epic.
Blind Faith (my #26). It has a great FII meets Liquid Tension vibe and is really amazing!
Surrounded (my #65) has that feel good 80's prog vibe, very Marillionish. I love the Live at Marquee version, because of the intro with the piano tone and those beautiful splashes that MP added in the section that starts on 2:35 and repeats later on.
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Surrounded used to be in my Top 10, but that's how the ranker spit it out and I'm good with it actually, hard to move any of the songs above it down. Blind Faith is a masterful composition from all members.
5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
9 The Great Debate
11 Outcry
12 Overture 1928
14 Blind Faith
16 One Last Time
18 Illumination Theory
19 Beyond This Life
20 Lost Not Forgotten
21 Surrounded
22 A View From the Top of the World
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
28 Fall Into the Light
29 Bridges in the Sky
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
33 Disappear
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
42 The Root of All Evil
46 Misunderstood
48 A Fortune in Lies
52 Barstool Warrior
51 Our New World
53 At Wit's End
54 Wither
55 The Alien
56 Lifting Shadows off a Dream
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
59 Innocence Faded
61 I Walk Beside You
62 Endless Sacrifice
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
65 Wait for Sleep
66 The Bigger Picture
67 A Nightmare to Remember
68 Sleeping Giant
70 The Ministry of Lost Souls
72 The Dance of Eternity
75 Panic Attack
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
88 The Mirror
93 Another Day
95 On the Backs of Angels
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen, These Walls, Caught in a Web, Lie, This Dying Soul, Peruvian Skies, As I Am, Erotomania, Stream of Consciousness, 6:00, Space-Dye Vest, The Spirit Carries On, Lines in the Sand, ITPoE
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time, Outcry
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In the Presence of Enemies: 5. Epic and dirty, the Spaghetti Western in DT's catalogue. Once you accept and dig into the story it tells, then every single note makes excellent sense.
Blind Faith: 64. A five minutes Top 10 song surrounded by unrankable stuff.
Surrounded: 25. Beautiful and dear to my heart. I used to spin it on my birthdays, before I started hating my birthdays.
The Score so far:
3 - The Spirit Carries On
4 - Lines in the Sand
5 - In the Presence of Enemies
7 - Misunderstood
9 - Space-Dye Vest
11 - Beyond This Life
14 - Stream of Consciousness
17 - Bridges in the Sky
19 - Illumination Theory
21 - A New Beginning
23 - Disappear
25 - Surrounded
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
31 - Erotomania
33 - Surrender to Reason
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
42 - Another Day
43 - One Last Time
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
54 - Peruvian Skies
55 - The Dance of Eternity
56 - The Bigger Picture
61 - Wait for Sleep
64 - Blind Faith
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
69 - Overture 1928
70 - Innocence Faded
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
76 - Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
77 - At Wit's End
78 - Lie
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
88 - The Mirror
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
91 - 6:00
92 - The Killing Hand
93 - Endless Sacrifice
95 - Barstool Warrior
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 32
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In the Presence of Enemies: 5. Epic and dirty, the Spaghetti Western in DT's catalogue. Once you accept and dig into the story it tells, then every single note makes excellent sense.
The plagiarised story?
I really like the tune. Just wish MP didn't take the decision to split it up for the sake of doing something they hadn't done before.
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I wish I had more to say about these songs, but most of my comments are either redundant from my own thoughts on previously mentioned songs and/or expressed much better by other people here.
6. Illumination Theory (-2)
7. Disappear (+1)
8. Blind Faith (+5)
10. The Best of Times (-7)
11. In the Presence of Enemies (+3)
12. A Nightmare to Remember (-1)
13. Erotomania (-1)
14. Space-Dye Vest (+5)
15. Misunderstood (+1)
17. This Dying Soul (+10)
18. The Shattered Fortress (+6)
21. The Ministry of Lost Souls (-4)
22. The Spirit Carries On (-7)
23. The Silent Man (+0)
24. The Dark Eternal Night (+9)
25. Beyond This Life (+3)
29. Lines in the Sand (+16)
30. Hell's Kitchen (-8)
32. A View From the Top of the World
33. Surrounded (-12)
34. Outcry (+36)
35. Constant Motion (+29)
37. A New Beginning (-7)
38. The Great Debate (+0)
39. Pale Blue Dot (-8)
40. Sleeping Giant
41. Endless Sacrifice (+21)
42. The Root of All Evil (-10)
46. Fall Into The Light (-10)
47. Barstool Warrior (-13)
48. The Bigger Picture (+0)
49. The Mirror (+9)
51. Ytse Jam (+4)
52. These Walls (+31)
56. Bridges in the Sky (-10)
58. S2N (+1)
59. The Enemy Inside (-10)
61. Awaken the Master
63. The Gift of Music (-2)
64. As I Am (+16)
66. Stream of Consciousness (-16)
67. Panic Attack (-15)
68. On the Backs of Angels (+20)
69. 6:00 (+24)
70. Another Day (-27)
71. Transcending Time
73. At Wit's End (-7)
77. Hollow Years (-2)
78. The Killing Hand (-37)
80. Wait For Sleep (-23)
83. The Dance of Eternity (+12)
84. This is the Life (-12)
87. A Fortune in Lies (+18)
88. I Walk Beside You (+31)
89. Never Enough (-18)
90. Wither (-4)
93. Vacant (+4)
94. Through Her Eyes (-13)
97. Innocence Faded (-8)
98. Lie (+19)
100. Our New World (+3)
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105. Answering the Call
109. The Alien
112. Beneath the Surface (-2)
116. Caught in a Web (+14)
122. Lost Not Forgotten (-9)
123. Behind the Veil (-2)
124. Peruvian Skies (+2)
130. The Looking Glass (+1)
131. Forsaken (-4)
137. Sacrificed Sons (-15)
139. Only a Matter of Time (-10)
141. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream (-25)
142. Afterlife (-7)
143. One Last Time (-4)
147. Surrender to Reason (-10)
148. New Millennium (-8)
149. Honor Thy Father (-7)
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Unranked: To Live Forever, Raise the Knife
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In the Presence of Enemies: 5. Epic and dirty, the Spaghetti Western in DT's catalogue. Once you accept and dig into the story it tells, then every single note makes excellent sense.
The plagiarised story?
I really like the tune. Just wish MP didn't take the decision to split it up for the sake of doing something they hadn't done before.
The decision to include Constant Motion, The Dark Eternal Night and the second Muse homage in a row is far worse than the split of In the Presence of Enemies :lol
Jokes aside, the split never bothered me, I can understand their reasoning of "The first half is a good opener and the end is a good closer".
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In the Presence of Enemies: 5. Epic and dirty, the Spaghetti Western in DT's catalogue. Once you accept and dig into the story it tells, then every single note makes excellent sense.
The plagiarised story?
I really like the tune. Just wish MP didn't take the decision to split it up for the sake of doing something they hadn't done before.
I have a question though, a purely philosophical-aestethical one, not one to argue: is it possible to plagiarise a story with a song?
You can obviously plagiarise a song with a song, but a story? Is To Tame a Land plagiarism then?
Isn't there a better way to define the issue, maybe "uncredited story"?
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In the Presence of Enemies: 5. Epic and dirty, the Spaghetti Western in DT's catalogue. Once you accept and dig into the story it tells, then every single note makes excellent sense.
The plagiarised story?
I really like the tune. Just wish MP didn't take the decision to split it up for the sake of doing something they hadn't done before.
The decision to include Constant Motion, The Dark Eternal Night and the second Muse homage in a row is far worse than the split of In the Presence of Enemies :lol
Wow, I agree completely, especially on the part about CM and TDEN. :lol
The split doesn't bother me as it is. In fact I've listened to the album so much it's weird to actually hear Part 1 and Part 2 back to back. I always expect Forsaken to begin.
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itpoe - 61
blind - 33
surrounded - 9
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What can I say, I'm a sucker for Images And Words - and those songs in particular just hits the spot for me.
Very nice ranking Zydar, congrats. I decided to rank the epics above all and that makes Surrounded my #1 song of all the rest. And it really is. I love every part of it, from the lyrics to LaBrie's magnificent voice. Simply wonderful. I listen to the Marquee-version at least once a week...
I keep forgetting to go back to this but thank you so much Wim, I really appreciate your respect and praise.
Likewise mate!
096: Beyond This Life 72
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
091: Caught In a Web 40
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
080: Wait for Sleep 36
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
074: Sacrified Sons 9
073: 6:00 39
072: Erotomania 32
069: Innocence Faded 27
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
065: Another Day 27
063: Disappear 22
062: Peruvian Skies 18
061: Misunderstood 30
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
056: A Nightmare to Remember 6
055: Blind Faith 34
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
050: Wither 49
049: Lifting Shadows Off a Dream 14
048: Transcending Time 42
046: Barstool Warrior 6
045: The Root of All Evil 9
044: Ytse Jam 23
043: The Spirit Carries On 17
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
038: The Dance of Eternity 5
037: The Bigger Picture 23
036: Lines In the Sand 8
034: As I Am 9
033: At Wit's End 4
031: Endless Sacrifice 2
030: Space-Dye Vest spot on
029: Awaken the Master 52
028: Stream of Conciousness 11
027: Honor Thy Father 44
025: Lie 22
024: One Last Time 22
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
015: The Mirror 12
014: This Dying Soul 33
012: Bridges In the Sky 11
010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
008: Surrounded 12
007: A View From the Top of the World 42
006: In the Presence of Enemies 16
004: Illumination Theory 21 highest
not ranked: 10 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night / Overture 1928
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In the Presence of Enemies: 5. Epic and dirty, the Spaghetti Western in DT's catalogue. Once you accept and dig into the story it tells, then every single note makes excellent sense.
The plagiarised story?
I really like the tune. Just wish MP didn't take the decision to split it up for the sake of doing something they hadn't done before.
I have a question though, a purely philosophical-aestethical one, not one to argue: is it possible to plagiarise a story with a song?
You can obviously plagiarise a song with a song, but a story? Is To Tame a Land plagiarism then?
Isn't there a better way to define the issue, maybe "uncredited story"?
It's an interesting question. Weren't some of the words lifted directly?
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In the Presence of Enemies: 5. Epic and dirty, the Spaghetti Western in DT's catalogue. Once you accept and dig into the story it tells, then every single note makes excellent sense.
The plagiarised story?
I really like the tune. Just wish MP didn't take the decision to split it up for the sake of doing something they hadn't done before.
I have a question though, a purely philosophical-aestethical one, not one to argue: is it possible to plagiarise a story with a song?
You can obviously plagiarise a song with a song, but a story? Is To Tame a Land plagiarism then?
Isn't there a better way to define the issue, maybe "uncredited story"?
It's an interesting question. Weren't some of the words lifted directly?
A whole lot of them.
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In the Presence of Enemies: 5. Epic and dirty, the Spaghetti Western in DT's catalogue. Once you accept and dig into the story it tells, then every single note makes excellent sense.
The plagiarised story?
I really like the tune. Just wish MP didn't take the decision to split it up for the sake of doing something they hadn't done before.
I have a question though, a purely philosophical-aestethical one, not one to argue: is it possible to plagiarise a story with a song?
You can obviously plagiarise a song with a song, but a story? Is To Tame a Land plagiarism then?
Isn't there a better way to define the issue, maybe "uncredited story"?
It's an interesting question. Weren't some of the words lifted directly?
A whole lot of them.
I think autocorrect changed "The" to "A". :D
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The band Camel wrote a concept album based on the novel The Snow Goose. The author refused to let them use the name “The Snow Goose” or lyrics based on the text of the book, so it ended up being an all instrumental album titled “Music Inspired by The Snow Goose.”
Why did the author object? Well, just copyright infringement. But the legend/story I had always heard until I checked Wikipedia just now was that he thought the band were promoting smoking, which is a much better story. Oh well!
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In The Presence of Enemies - absolutely love part 1. Not that much of a fan of part 2 but I did really love it when seeing it performed live. My rank 40.
Blind Faith - the vocal bridge leading to the instrumental and piano breakdown is one of my all time favourite parts of a DT song. Not a huge fan of the chorus but it works well enough. My rank 20.
Surrounded - this song has always had a magical quality to me. My rank 12.
Not sure there are any real surprises left with the songs remaining apart from the order. The majority of them are in my personal top 20, with the biggest outlier being at number 39.
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Not sure there are any real surprises left with the songs remaining apart from the order. The majority of them are in my personal top 20, with the biggest outlier being at number 39.
Shit, I've only got 13 songs left in my Top 20 - one of which doesn't appear to be making the list at all. :sadpanda: Like, this song is worse than fucking Wither?!?!?!
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The band Camel wrote a concept album based on the novel The Snow Goose. The author refused to let them use the name “The Snow Goose” or lyrics based on the text of the book, so it ended up being an all instrumental album titled “Music Inspired by The Snow Goose.”
Why did the author object? Well, just copyright infringement. But the legend/story I had always heard until I checked Wikipedia just now was that he thought the band were promoting smoking, which is a much better story. Oh well!
Frank Herbert objected to Maiden's song "Dune"... until they changed it to "To Tame A Land". 2112 was nominally referenced with a nod to "the genius of Ayn Rand".
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Not sure there are any real surprises left with the songs remaining apart from the order. The majority of them are in my personal top 20, with the biggest outlier being at number 39.
Shit, I've only got 13 songs left in my Top 20 - one of which doesn't appear to be making the list at all. :sadpanda: Like, this song is worse than fucking Wither?!?!?!
What song?
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The decision to include Constant Motion, The Dark Eternal Night and the second Muse homage in a row is far worse than the split of In the Presence of Enemies :lol
But Constant Motion is the best song on the album! :biggrin:
I have a question though, a purely philosophical-aestethical one, not one to argue: is it possible to plagiarise a story with a song?
You can obviously plagiarise a song with a song, but a story? Is To Tame a Land plagiarism then?
Isn't there a better way to define the issue, maybe "uncredited story"?
I don't know what the "purely philosophical-aestethical [sic?]" part of this means, and a song can be a "story." That said, from a legal standpoint, it is certainly possible for a song to be a derivative of a comic book (which is, I believe, the source material for ITPOE).
Under United States law (and the laws of most major, developed countries is the same or similar), the owner of a copyright protected work has the exclusive right to do various things with the work, including "prepare derivate works based on the [protected] work." https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/106
The U.S. Copyright Act (section 101) defines a "derivative work" to be "a work based upon one or more preexisting works, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization, fictionalization, motion picture version, sound recording, art reproduction, abridgment, condensation, or any other form in which a work may be recast, transformed, or adapted. A work consisting of editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications which, as a whole, represent an original work of authorship, is a 'derivative work.'"
I'm not familiar with the source material for ITPOE, but my understanding is that it's very much a derivative work. Likewise, Scenes from a Memory is very much a derivative of the 1991 movie Dead Again, and Rush's 2112 was a derivative of Ayn Rand's novella Anthem. I've never heard anyone discuss this for either SFAM or 2112, but I'd love to know if Rush/DT were ever contacted about a potential infringement claim and whether payments were ever made. I've read that there is no public record of Rand, who died in 1982, commenting publicly about 2112, and I know nothing about Kenneth Branagh ever commenting on SFAM (this thread was started 6 years ago but never went anywhere - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=52416.0 ). As far as To Tame a Land goes, while I've never read Dune (or seen any of the movie adaptations), my understanding is that the song is more of an homage than a derivative. The song sort of describes the setting of the book but doesn't really tell the story (again, though, I haven't read the book or seen the movies). After all, it's pretty hard for a 212 word song to be a derivative of a 900 page book.
Frank Herbert objected to Maiden's song "Dune"... until they changed it to "To Tame A Land".
The story (that I've heard) is that someone (Rod Smallwood?) called Frank Herbert and said they were planning to release a song called "Dune," and he (paraphrasing) "doesn't like rock music, really doesn't like heavy metal, and especially doesn't like Iron Maiden," and this caused them to change the name of the song (but the lyrics presumably went unchanged). Of course, we don't know exactly what was said, but the mere change of the title was really more of a gesture than something substantive. I don't think Herbert could have sued successfully either way.
Shit, I've only got 13 songs left in my Top 20 - one of which doesn't appear to be making the list at all. :sadpanda: Like, this song is worse than fucking Wither?!?!?!
Of course. Lots of song are worse than what is probably their best "ballad."
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ITPOE came in for me at 21. I never noticed this much but lately after my relistens I discovered how epic it is and have replayed it a lot! Up there with any DT epic really.
Blind Faith I had at number 6. This is one of those DT songs that has an atmosphere and presence that can never be recreated, I just love it and have listened to it so many times. The 'still life pushes on' section is one of my fav DT sections, easily.
Surrounded came in at 62. A lovely song, I just never rated it quite as high as most.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 Disappear The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84 Stream Of Consciousness
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77 Lines in the Sand
76
75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
73 One Last Time
72 Peruvian Skies
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63 Panic Attack
62 Surrounded
61 On the Backs of Angels
60 Beyond This Life
59
58 Afterlife
57 Caught In A Web
56
55
54 The Great Debate
53 A Nightmare to Remember
52 Erotomania
51 Answering the Call
50 The Spirit Carries On
49 Space-Dye Vest
48 The Shattered Fortress
47
46 As I Am
45 Bridges in the Sky
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43
42 Never Enough
41 Wait For Sleep
40
39
38
37 The Bigger Picture
36 Outcry
35
34 Lie
33 The Root of All Evil
32 I Walk Beside You
31
30 A View From the Top of the World
29 Surrender to Reason
28 Barstool Warrior
27 Another Day
26 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
25 Endless Sacrifice
24 Innocence Faded
23 Misunderstood
22
21 In the Presence of Enemies
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18
17
16
15
14
13 These Walls
12 At Wit's End
11 The Mirror
10
9
8
7
6 Blind Faith
5 Illumination Theory
4
3
2 This Dying Soul.
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I have a question though, a purely philosophical-aestethical one, not one to argue: is it possible to plagiarise a story with a song?
You can obviously plagiarise a song with a song, but a story? Is To Tame a Land plagiarism then?
Isn't there a better way to define the issue, maybe "uncredited story"?
I don't know what the "purely philosophical-aestethical [sic?]" part of this means, and a song can be a "story." That said, from a legal standpoint, it is certainly possible for a song to be a derivative of a comic book (which is, I believe, the source material for ITPOE).
Under United States law (and the laws of most major, developed countries is the same or similar), the owner of a copyright protected work has the exclusive right to do various things with the work, including "prepare derivate works based on the [protected] work." https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/106
The U.S. Copyright Act (section 101) defines a "derivative work" to be "a work based upon one or more preexisting works, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization, fictionalization, motion picture version, sound recording, art reproduction, abridgment, condensation, or any other form in which a work may be recast, transformed, or adapted. A work consisting of editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications which, as a whole, represent an original work of authorship, is a 'derivative work.'"
I'm not familiar with the source material for ITPOE, but my understanding is that it's very much a derivative work. Likewise, Scenes from a Memory is very much a derivative of the 1991 movie Dead Again, and Rush's 2112 was a derivative of Ayn Rand's novella Anthem. I've never heard anyone discuss this for either SFAM or 2112, but I'd love to know if Rush/DT were ever contacted about a potential infringement claim and whether payments were ever made. I've read that there is no public record of Rand, who died in 1982, commenting publicly about 2112, and I know nothing about Kenneth Branagh ever commenting on SFAM (this thread was started 6 years ago but never went anywhere - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=52416.0 ). As far as To Tame a Land goes, while I've never read Dune (or seen any of the movie adaptations), my understanding is that the song is more of an homage than a derivative. The song sort of describes the setting of the book but doesn't really tell the story (again, though, I haven't read the book or seen the movies). After all, it's pretty hard for a 212 word song to be a derivative of a 900 page book.
First off, thanks for the response!
To the bolded part, I meant - perhaps incorrectly and obscurely - "philosophical-aesthetical" as pertaining the knowledge of those mechanics governing artistic creation and fruition, not the practical (I am aware we are talking about a derivative work) and legal ones you have fully clarified. It's very clear to me we're dealing with plagiarised lyrics (if not properly credited, but I honestly ignore whether that's the case ).
What I was trying to ask - in philosophical terms, i.e. for love of reasoning - whether is it actually correct (not in a court of law) to qualify a song as plagiarised when it is made of non-plagiarised music interacting with plagiarised lyrics - scratch that, with plagiarised text: it becomes lyrics only by mating with music. If Verdi, instead of commissioning the libretto for, say, his Otello had lifted Shakespeare's Othello's verses verbatim, would we call Verdi's Otello a plagiarised opera?
You rightfully say a song can be a story, and it actually always is even without lyrics. Doesn't the original story (now song and not a penciled page) marrying the plagiarised story (now lyrics and not text) create a different story, or at least one it feels reductive to call plagiarised?
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25. Illumination Theory (91st) DREAM THEATER, IF YOU'RE READING THIS, DO MORE STUFF IN THE VEIN OF THE LAST FEW MINUTES OF THIS SONG. SO GOOD.
24. Beyond This Life (88th) I'm a SFAM hater, what can I say? It's an okay song though.
23. Bridges In The Sky (8th) This song could be top 5 but the intro is too long, it's otherwise a stellar song. When JLB sings "crossing bridges in the sky", it's so good.
22. In The Presence Of Enemies (28th) Cool epic on a weird album. I don't like the Dark Master part. Everything else is good. Odd song for DT, though.
21. Blind Faith (42nd) Easily the worst track of SDOIT but still just fine.
20. Surrounded (25th) What a lovely song. Just, so bouncy but then a bit serious. DT does this style of song nicely.
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What a bunch to catch up on! These are some of my favourite DT songs ever.
Kicking off with Lines In the Sand. This isn't one of my faves, but still pretty good. I had it at #92.
The Mirror is yet another Awake songs that I ranked relatively low. It has some cool bits but some really plodding sections as well.
The Spirit Carries On, here we are, my #1. This song just speaks to my soul, and when I rediscovered my obsession with the band 10 years ago (which drew me to you lovely folks) I fell hard for this song. This an example of a great guitar solo elevating a song to godly levels. JP's guitar leads, and solo is just as good as be ever gets. James' performance is also great, especially the "move on be brave..." bit. I have a vivid memory of coming back in a taxi from a night out, drunk and playing this song and just feeling like the guitar solo just took me somewhere else. I honestly just adore it and can't imagine ever tiring of it.
Illumination Theory was also really high for me, and I had it at #7. It's become one of my favourite highlights and the standout song from the MM era, without question. I can't fathom fans of the band not liking this, honestly. I think it packs it all in and is easily in the running for their best ever epic. The intro and heavy section starts off wonderfully, the orchestral interlude is just breathtaking. I love that bit around the 6:20 mark, and although the transition into the orchestral section isn't that smooth I still love it. The swell of those strings is goosebumps inducing and really elegant. The transition when that bass hits is also a bit jarring, but I couldn't care less when it sounds as good as it does. Lastly, I have to mention James' delivery on that "To really feel the joy in life..." part. It is probably a top 5 Labrie moment and definitely helped sell the song to me first time I heard it. I'd be happy without the little 'easter egg' at the end, but I guess you can't have it all. This is pretty close to perfection to me.
As a Scenes From a Memory lover, I had Beyond This Life at #33. I find most of the song to be pretty solid, and better in the context of the album, rather than as a stand alone song, but the "All that we learnt this time..." bit is really good.
Bridges In the Sky. This song is pretty good, but I'm so shocked it ended this high, and beat out some of the competition below it. I had it at #60 personally.
#22 for In the Presence of Enemies. What a great epic, and another absolute highlight from Systematic Chaos. I just think the whole thing is cool as shit.
I'll have to catch up with the others later...
My ranking so far:
1. The Spirit Carries On
7. Illumination Theory
9. Another Day
11. A Nightmare To Remember
12. Overture 1928
13. Wither
15. The Root of All Evil
16. Panic Attack
17. The Dance of Eternity
18. The Dark Eternal Night
20. Never Enough
21. The Ministry of Lost Souls
22. In the Presence of Enemies
23. Sacrificed Sons
27. The Best of Times
28. These Walls
29. Constant Motion
30. A New Beginning
31. The Shattered Fortress
33. Beyond This Life
35. The Enemy Inside
36. I Walk Beside You
40. One Last Time
44. Through Her Eyes
45. The Looking Glass
49. Forsaken
50. Endless Sacrifice
51. Misunderstood
55. Behind the Veil
56. On the Backs of Angels
57. The Bigger Picture
58. Innocence Faded
60. Bridges In the Sky
62. Surrender to Reason
63. Stream of Consciousness
64. Fall Into the Light
65. The Great Debate
66. Wait For Sleep
67. As I Am
69. Ytse Jam
72. Peruvian Skies
73. Honor Thy Father
74. At Wit's End
75. Lie
76. This Dying Soul
77. A View from the Top of the World
80. To Live Forever
82. Barstool Warrior
83. This is the Life
84. Lost Not Forgotten
86. Our New World
88. 6:00
89. Erotomania
90. Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
91. Caught In a Web
92. Lines In the Sand
93. Hollow Years
94. The Mirror
95. Disappear
96. Beneath the Surface
97. Space-Dye Vest
99. Pale Blue Dot
100. New Millennium
Not ranked:
101. Outcry
104. Hell's Kitchen
109. Vacant
110. The Silent Man
111. Raise The Knife
112. Only a Matter of Time
113. Afterlife
114. A Fortune in Lies
115. The Killing Hand
119. Sleeping Giant
121. Awaken the Master
122. Answering the Call
123. Transcending Time
124. The Alien
125. S2N
140. The Gift of Music
Like, this song is worse than fucking Wither?!?!?!
Yes, it is.
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In the Presence of Enemies - #1 - my favourite and also the most listened-to DT song. By far the most fun of their epics. I don't mind the soul-searching lyrics in their other epics, but sometimes you just need some good fun in terms of dark masters, heretics, manatees and also in terms of counts of Tuscany sometimes (I suppose that's still coming up!). The quiet section is their best as far as epics go for me. First part is all killer, no filler. Second part is the same. :lol Guess I'm so used to the instrumental section I don't mind it at all, I love it. This song just rocks. Definitely thought I won't be the only #1 ranker.
I know it's somewhat polarizing and not for everyone though.
I thought for sure I had the highest rank on this song. I had it at #4, but you came in with it at #1! Wasn't expecting that. It's an amazing epic, topped by only 3 other epics in the DT catalogue.
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First off, thanks for the response!
To the bolded part, I meant - perhaps incorrectly and obscurely - "philosophical-aesthetical" as pertaining the knowledge of those mechanics governing artistic creation and fruition, not the practical (I am aware we are talking about a derivative work) and legal ones you have fully clarified. It's very clear to me we're dealing with plagiarised lyrics (if not properly credited, but I honestly ignore whether that's the case ).
What I was trying to ask - in philosophical terms, i.e. for love of reasoning - whether is it actually correct (not in a court of law) to qualify a song as plagiarised when it is made of non-plagiarised music interacting with plagiarised lyrics - scratch that, with plagiarised text: it becomes lyrics only by mating with music. If Verdi, instead of commissioning the libretto for, say, his Otello had lifted Shakespeare's Othello's verses verbatim, would we call Verdi's Otello a plagiarised opera?
You rightfully say a song can be a story, and it actually always is even without lyrics. Doesn't the original story (now song and not a penciled page) marrying the plagiarised story (now lyrics and not text) create a different story, or at least one it feels reductive to call plagiarised?
Ah, just a side note: I used 'plagiarised' because I didn't sit here and consider my words carefully enough. It was a poor choice of word. I should have spoken more clearly, noting that JP appeared to have copied many of the words (that would go on to form the lyrics) from a previously published source.
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Retrospective time also for me!
1 Will surely make the top 20
2 Will surely make the top 20
3 Will surely make the top 20
4 The Mirror (27) +23
5 Will surely make the top 20
6 Will surely make the top 20
7 Will surely make the top 20
8 Will surely make the top 20
9 Will surely make the top 20
10 Will surely make the top 20
11 Will surely make the top 20
12 Will surely make the top 20
13 The Spirit Carries On (26) +13
14 Will surely make the top 20
15 Will surely make the top 20
16 Beyond This Life (24) +8
17 The Silent Man (66) +49
18 Space-Dye Vest (30) +12
19 Will surely make the top 20
20 Lie (47) +27
21 Peruvian Skies (44) +23
22 The Root of All Evil (36) +14
23 Through Her Eyes (73) +50
24 Innocence Faded (42) +18
25 Endless Sacrifice (29) +4
26 Will surely make the top 20
27 Bridges In the Sky (23) -4
28 Wither (99) +71 (biggest positive delta)
29 Forsaken (95) +66
30 These Walls (54) +24
31 Will surely make the top 20
32 As I Am (43) +11
33 Surrounded (20) -13
34 Wait For Sleep (44) + 10
35 Disappear (41) +6
36 It's not gonna make the list
37 Will surely make the top 20
38 Beneath the Surface (64) +26
39 Will surely make the top 20
40 It's not gonna make the list
41 It's not gonna make the list
42 The Bigger Picture (60) +18
43 In the Presence of Enemies (22) -21
44 Will surely make the top 20
45 Hollow Years (59) +14
46 Caught In a Web (51) +5
47 Another Day (38) -9
48 I Walk Beside You (80) +32
49 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (35) -14
50 Outcry (58) +8
51 6:00 (34) -17
52 It's not gonna make the list
53 Only a Matter of Time (82) +29
54 Misunderstood (31) -23
55 One Last Time (46) -9
56 The Ministry of Lost Souls (61) +5
57 At Wit's End (37) -20
58 Behind the Veil (89) +31
59 It's not gonna make the list
60 Blind Faith (21) -39
61 It's not gonna make the list
62 The Killing Hand (68) +6
63 On the Backs of Angels (56) -7
64 It's not gonna make the list
65 A Nightmare To Remember (50) -15
66 Barstool Warrior (52) -14
67 It's not gonna make the list
68 A Fortune in Lies (78) +10
69 It's not gonna make the list
70 The Gift of Music (98) +28
71 Erotomania (40) -31
72 Raise The Knife (65) -7
73 Panic Attack (55) -18
74 It's not gonna make the list
75 Overture 1928 (32) -43
76 The Dance of Eternity (33) -43
77 It's not gonna make the list
78 The Best of Times (77) -1
79 It's not gonna make the list
80 It's not gonna make the list
81 Lines In the Sand (28) - 53
82 It's not gonna make the list
83 Transcending Time (90) +7
84 Illumination Theory (25) -59 (biggest negative delta)
85 It's not gonna make the list
86 Vacant (97) +11
87 The Shattered Fortress (79) -8
88 It's not gonna make the list
89 Fall Into The Light (72) -17
90 It's not gonna make the list
91 It's not gonna make the list
92 A View from the Top of the World (49) -43
93 It's not gonna make the list
94 It's not gonna make the list
95 It's not gonna make the list
96 Never Enough (100) +4
97 Answering the Call (76) -21
98 It's not gonna make the list
99 The Enemy Inside (83) -16
100 S2N (94) -6
Songs I ranked, but didn't make my top 100:
102 New Millennium (87) -15
104 This Dying Soul (47) -57
106 Sacrificed Sons (63) -43
107 The Alien (69) -38
110 This is the Life (88) -22
115 Surrender to Reason (84) -31
117 Ytse Jam (67) -50
119 Stream of Consciousness (39) -80
123 Our New World (93) -30
124 Pale Blue Dot (62) -62
128 Hell's Kitchen (57) -71
129 The Great Debate (53) -76
Songs I didn't even bother to rank when I made my final and decisive ranking:
NR Awaken the Master (81)
NR Afterlife (96)
NR The Looking Glass (92)
NR A New Beginning (91)
NR Constant Motion (86)
NR Sleeping Giant (85)
NR To Live Forever (76)
NR Lost not Forgotten (73)
NR Honor Thy Father (71)
NR The Dark Eternal Night (70)
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19 songs remaining and 11 of my top 20-spots are already filled. Curious how the forum filled the top ranking. I can't imagine any of the 19 songs left aren't in my own list, so that means only 10 songs of the whole top 100 are not in my own ranking... and likewise.
That's not that much, looks like I'm pretty average in here...
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8 of my top 20 are filled but I'm confident the remaining 12 will all be there.
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22. In The Presence Of Enemies - 47 for me. Not one of the greatest epics they've done IMO but still very enjoyable. The instrumental parts shine throughout, particularly in Pt I. but Pt II. also has a great instrumental.
21. Blind Faith - 30 for me. Simply a great song.
20. Surrounded - 67 for me. Probably the weakest track on I&W (although, considering what it's up against...). I find 20 slightly high. The soft piano and vocal sections are great, everything in between is just good.
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Into the top 20 we go!
19. Finally Free
Highest Finish: 3 (Lethean, The Realm)
Number of Lists appeared on: 63 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
One of the best closing tracks in DT catalog. I love the live versions with MP doing the solos at the end.
18. Strange Deja Vu
Highest Finish: 3 (NoFred, Stadler)
Number of Lists appeared on: 65 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, wolfking, Zydar)
Kind of surprised to see this placed as high as it did. The pairing of O1928 and Strange Deja Vu is *chefs kiss*
17. Take The Time
Highest Finish: 3 (twosuitluke)
Number of Lists appeared on: 60 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, wolfking, Zydar)
Middle of the pack song for me off I&W. The verses never really did much for me but I love the chorus.
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19. Finally Free 11
18. Strange Deja Vu 19
17. Take The Time 24
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19. Finally Free #5. As good as SFAM is, this is the track that pushes it ahead of everything else for me. Because it takes a story that on the surface is alright, and gives it a twist to make it great (my opinion, of course). Plus, I always love how tense the ending is.
18. Strange Deja Vu #20 Great song.
17. Take The Time #31 This one goes up and down for me. But I think 31 is more or left where it belongs.
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Finally free was my #58. Not among my favorite songs on the album, but still a spectacular closer.
Strange deja vu, on the other hand, was my #34. Once again, a top five Dream Theater song when it comes to tracks shorter than six minutes.
Take the time was my #26. It's a classic with a tremendous performance by James LaBrie and a gorgeous outro solo.
How many lists were submited in total? I can see Strange deja vu made it onto 65 of them. That has to be all, right? ;D
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66 lists, I'm not sure if there is a song that made every list, but I wouldn't be surprised as we get closer to number 1
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Finally Free - 5
A magnificent ending to this glorious album, SFAM. The melodies are great, that drum outro/solo is epic.
Strange Deja Vu - 13
SFAM kicks off with the double punch Overture 1928 and this one (not counting Regression).
Take The Time - 8
Once again I have a song from Images And Words in my Top 10 :lol Catchy stuff, and a belter of a singalong chorus.
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Ouch, big hit for my list!
19. Finally Free
It was my number 9. Masterpiece closing a masterpiece. Wonderful vocal lines, lot of melody, many theatrical stuff as well given the story finishing... this is DT at their very best. The live ending with the Metropolis theme reprise is also glorious. DT being so melodic, with so great vocal melodies, without having to renounce to some heaviness is possibily my very favorite thing about them.
18. Strange Deja Vu
Another masterpiece and one of their very best concise songs. What a way to (properly) start their magnum opus. It's very cinematic, I love little bits like the double bass joining for "there's a room at the top of the stairs", to underline the tension of Nicholas walking around in his memories, you just follow the scene.
A perfect song that in my previous attempts cracked the top 10 but now finished 11th.
17. Take The Time
Love it. Bombastic, catchy, from the first chorus to the "I can see much clearer now I'm blind" part it's a complete riot, James was unstoppable back then.
Side note - leaving aside James' human limits, I never liked how they de-powered the chorus during live shows; the backing line going higher "it's time to take the tiiiiime" is nerfed by saying in a generic way just "take the time" and also going lower.
Anyway, fantastic track and it was my 6th.
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
155. Hell's Kitchen
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
146. Disappear
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
142. Ytsejam
139. Panic Attack
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
132. Barstool Warrior
127. Lines In The Sand
125. Stream Of Consciousness
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
118. In The Presence Of Enemies
109. Outcry
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
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100.Slight chance of making the list at this point
99. No chance of making the list at this point
98. Another Day
97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
95. The Great Debate
94. No chance of making the list at this point
93. No chance of making the list at this point
92. No chance of making the list at this point
91. Slight chance of making the list at this point
90. On The Backs Of Angels
89. No chance of making the list at this point
88. No chance of making the list at this point
87. Finally Free Slight chance of making the list at this point
86. No chance of making the list at this point
85. Constant Motion
84. Beneath The Surface
83. At Wit's End
82. Peruvian Skies
81. Space Dye Vest
80. The Enemy Inside
79. Strong chance of making the list at this point
78. Hollow Years
77. Slight chance of making the list at this point
76. The Shattered Fortress
75. No chance of making the list at this point
74. No chance of making the list at this point
73. Lie
72. No chance of making the list at this point
71. No chance of making the list at this point
70. No chance of making the list at this point
69. The Mirror
68. A Nightmare To Remember
67. The Silent Man
66. The Root Of All Evil
65. The Spirit Carries On
64. No chance of making the list at this point
63. No chance of making the list at this point
62. As I Am
61. These Walls
60. No chance of making the list at this point
59. The Gift of Music
58. Illumination Theory
57. The Bigger Picture
56. One Last Time
55. Pale Blue Dot
54. Answering The Call
53. Strong chance of making the list
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
50. Slight chance of making the list at this point
49. No chance of making the list at this point
48. Endless Sacrifice
47. No chance of making the list at this point
46. A New Beginning
45. No chance of making the list at this point
44. Forsaken
43. A View From The Top Of The World
42. Slight chance of making the list at this point
41. The Looking Glass
40. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
39. No chance of making the list at this point
38. The Dance Of Eternity
37. Beyond This Life
36. New Millenium
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
34. Wait For Sleep
33. Transcending Time
32. Blind Faith
31. The Best Of Times
30. Erotomania
29. Strong chance of making the list
28. Our New World
27. Strong chance of making the list
26. Bridges In The Sky
25. Raise The Knife
24. 6:00
23. I Walk Beside You
22. No chance of making the list at this point
21. Sacrificed Sons
20. Take The Time Lock to make the list
19. Caught In A Web
18. No chance of making the list at this point
17. Lock to make the list
16. Lock to make the list
15. Lock to make the list
14. To Live Forever
13. Lock to make the list
12. Strong chance of making the list
11. Surrounded
10. Lock to make the list
9. Innocence Faded
8. Lock to make the list
7. This Dying Soul
6. Misunderstood
5. This Is The Life
4. Overture 1928
3. Strange Deja Vu Lock to make the list
2. Strong chance of making the list
1. No chance of making the list at this point
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Finally Free is cool. The drum outro is a highlight of the album. I also always really liked the “feeling good this Friday afternoon” part and wish they could have stretched out or repeated that vibe a bit.
Strange Deja Vu is an excellent open to SFAM. Remember being so pumped by it when I first got the album. In a way, I don’t think the rest of the album quite lives up to the promise of those first two tracks (Overture and SDV, not counting Regression). Mostly just because they set the bar so high.
Take the Time is one of the definitive DT tracks in my mind. A trademark, an ethos, a mission statement. Great playing throughout and peak JLB on the “pensive fear” segment.
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How many lists were submited in total? I can see Strange deja vu made it onto 65 of them. That has to be all, right? ;D
66. I didn't rank Strange Deja Vu. I love it and it has a perfect place in the conceptalbum, but I'll never listen to it on it's own. But I didn't rank Take the Time also, so I might need some sessions with the hypnotherapist myself. But I just enjoy 100 songs more than these.
096: Beyond This Life 72
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
091: Caught In a Web 40
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
080: Wait for Sleep 36
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
074: Sacrified Sons 9
073: 6:00 39
072: Erotomania 32
069: Innocence Faded 27
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
065: Another Day 27
063: Disappear 22
062: Peruvian Skies 18
061: Misunderstood 30
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
056: A Nightmare to Remember 6
055: Blind Faith 34
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
050: Wither 49
049: Lifting Shadows Off a Dream 14
048: Transcending Time 42
046: Barstool Warrior 6
045: The Root of All Evil 9
044: Ytse Jam 23
043: The Spirit Carries On 17
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
038: The Dance of Eternity 5
037: The Bigger Picture 23
036: Lines In the Sand 8
034: As I Am 9
033: At Wit's End 4
031: Endless Sacrifice 2
030: Space-Dye Vest spot on
029: Awaken the Master 52
028: Stream of Conciousness 11
027: Honor Thy Father 44
025: Lie 22
024: One Last Time 22
022: Finally Free 3
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
015: The Mirror 12
014: This Dying Soul 33
012: Bridges In the Sky 11
010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
008: Surrounded 12
007: A View From the Top of the World 42
006: In the Presence of Enemies 16
004: Illumination Theory 21 highest
not ranked: 12 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night / Overture 1928 / Strange Deja Vu / Take the Time
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Finally Free - 5
Amazing song. Can’t say much that hasn’t already been said.
Strange Deja Vu -18
Nailed the aggregate!!
Take the Time -13
On my first listen to IAW, this was the track that truly raised my eyebrow and think….”hey! Maybe these guys aren’t just a Fates Warning clone!” Loved all the jazzy weirdness right away.
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Well it appears I had these quite a bit lower than the average but I'm sure that will be corrected with the next batch. The 2 SFAM songs are behind about 6 of the others on that album. High bar. Take the Time: please no rapping in DT, Mike. EVER.
5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
9 The Great Debate
11 Outcry
12 Overture 1928
14 Blind Faith
16 One Last Time
18 Illumination Theory
19 Beyond This Life
20 Lost Not Forgotten
21 Surrounded
22 A View From the Top of the World
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
27 Take the Time
28 Fall Into the Light
29 Bridges in the Sky
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
33 Disappear
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
42 The Root of All Evil
46 Misunderstood
48 A Fortune in Lies
52 Barstool Warrior
51 Our New World
53 At Wit's End
54 Wither
55 The Alien
56 Lifting Shadows off a Dream
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
59 Innocence Faded
61 I Walk Beside You
62 Endless Sacrifice
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
65 Wait for Sleep
66 The Bigger Picture
67 A Nightmare to Remember
68 Sleeping Giant
70 The Ministry of Lost Souls
72 The Dance of Eternity
75 Panic Attack
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
80 Strange Deja-Vu
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
88 The Mirror
93 Another Day
95 On the Backs of Angels
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen, These Walls, Caught in a Web, Lie, This Dying Soul, Peruvian Skies, As I Am, Erotomania, Stream of Consciousness, 6:00, Space-Dye Vest, The Spirit Carries On, Lines in the Sand, ITPoE, Finally Free
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time, Outcry
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Finally Free ranked at 18. One spot higher than consensus. As part of SFAM it is a great piece of work. Listening to it outside the concept the intro and outro is a bit long.
Strange Deja Vu placed at 36th in my ranking. Wow listening to this now it should possibly have switched places with Finally Free.
Take the Time took the 5th spot fot me. From the openig notes to the end this is just pure bliss. Some great twists and turns and all firing on all cyliders.... James on top form. Find all you need in your mind if you take the the time..... find all you need in Take the Time!
My ranking so far
5 Take the Time (17)
6 Another Day (38)
7 Space-Dye Vest (30)
8 One Last Time (46)
11 The Dance of Eternity (33)
12 The Spirit Carries On (26)
13 Surrounded (20)
17 The Mirror (27)
18 Finally Free (19)
19 The Silent Man (66)
20 Illumination Theory (25)
22 6:00 (34)
21 Caught In a Web (51
27 Wait For Sleep (44t)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
35 Beyond This Life (24)
36 Strange Deja Vu (18)
37 Our New World (93)
38 Innocence Faded (42)
40 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (35)
41 A View from the Top of the World (49t)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
47 Lie (47t)
48 Erotomania (40)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
63 Bridges In the Sky (23)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
61 At Wit's End ( 37)
62 Stream of Consciousness (39)
73 As I Am (43)
74 The Root of All Evil(36)
75 The Alien (69)
77 A Nightmare To Remember (49t)
78 Misunderstood (31)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
86 Peruvian Skies (44t)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
96 Endless Sacrifice (29)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Highest ranker of
8 One Last Time (46)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52), This Dying Soul (47t), Disappear (41), Overture 1928 (32), Lines In The Sand (28), In the Presence of Enemies (22), Blind Faith (21)
Rated: 49
Not rated: 32
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So I havent commented on any song after around #90, and havent caught up to the last few updates so I will just comment on a few things I have read.
Stream of Consciousness (my #5) is the best instrumental by the band. When it comes on a playlist I cant help but stop what im doing and hand-drum my legs until they go numb (its quite a long song). Every instruments shines on this one and complements each other well. A good amount of virtuosity without getting too noodly, it remains very balanced, coherent and melodic troughout.
Glad to see misunderstood that high (#9 for me). The prechorus and chorus are great and the istrumentation overall is excellent. But unlike many others I really like the outro with the crazy guitar noise and reverse guitar stuff. The experimental nature of the whole outro sequence makes the song really stand out from all their other material.
I havent been able to get into the last 2 albums that much, it has started to sound a bit samey and uninspired for me. So most of those the song on those 2 albums is NR for me. But its also that im not as familiar for me, so it might be a negative recency bias in my case. After ranking the albums I revisited DoT and realized I should have rated some of the songs a lot higher, but well.. too late :mehlin
Shocked to see Ministry of Lost Souls (my #4) that low on the ranking. Amazing and epic melodies on the verses and chorus (whatever that is) and great vocals by JLB. I love the instrumental section (like I always do with DT) and I dont think it hurts the flow, which I think is a common gripe with the song. The song would be much more one-dimensional and ballady without it. And the main theme on the intro and outro is really tasty too :hefdaddy
This Dying Soul (my #14) is the best song in 12SS. The outro doesnt drag, actually the extended outro is one of my favourite things in the song. Reading the praise on The Root of All Evil, I relistened it a couple of times and I gotta admit it has a really strong chorus. Those two songs blend together a bit in my mind, but I feel the instrumentation might be a bit more exciting on TDS (again nodding towards the outro). And I love the overall mood and feel of ToT, so there might be some bias on the songs on that album. Easily a top3 DT album for me, all songs on it are really strong.
Oh, and nice to see Endless Sacrifice high too. #13 on my list and one of my all time favourites. I love the instrumental section in that one too
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FF - 17
Deja Vu - 56
Time - 8
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Finally Free: 35. Good finale, great live.
Strange Deja-Vu: 32. Nice, rich, and compact. Killer JM riff.
Take the Time: 34. I love funky DT.
The Score so far:
3 - The Spirit Carries On
4 - Lines in the Sand
5 - In the Presence of Enemies
7 - Misunderstood
9 - Space-Dye Vest
11 - Beyond This Life
14 - Stream of Consciousness
17 - Bridges in the Sky
19 - Illumination Theory
21 - A New Beginning
23 - Disappear
25 - Surrounded
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
31 - Erotomania
32 - Strange Deja-Vu
33 - Surrender to Reason
34 - Take the Time
35 - Finally Free
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
42 - Another Day
43 - One Last Time
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
54 - Peruvian Skies
55 - The Dance of Eternity
56 - The Bigger Picture
61 - Wait for Sleep
64 - Blind Faith
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
69 - Overture 1928
70 - Innocence Faded
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
76 - Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
77 - At Wit's End
78 - Lie
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
88 - The Mirror
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
91 - 6:00
92 - The Killing Hand
93 - Endless Sacrifice
95 - Barstool Warrior
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 32
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Finally Free (my #92). This!
19. Finally Free
The live ending with the Metropolis theme reprise is also glorious.
I hope they bring back this version, even if they don't play all the album.
Strange Deja-Vu (my #41) is a really inspired more commercial DT song and it doesn't have a solo! (maybe I miss it a bit, although it's compensate with the previous Overture 1928)
Take the Time (my #6) is such a joyful music (it's the I&W song that evokes more the album cover for me), with a bit of a funky groove, it has a bit a commercial feel and it's very prog at same time. The trade off solos are one of the best in their catalog, with amazing instrumentation beneath it. It has a great outro, that brings a lot of space for amazing improvisations live. Incredible song!!
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19. Finally Free (#70) since TSCO is my #1, anything after would be a tough act to follow. Terrific epilogue that isn't just a rehash of what came before.
18. Strange Déjà Vu (#4) Overture 1928 is my #3, so it only made sense ….like WWRY / WATC and 'Heartbreaker' / 'Living Loving Maid', ya just can't listen to one without the other.
17. Take The Time (NR) * another oversight…because of ‘Only A Matter Of Time’ being on my list, I goofed and took this off. :facepalm: Would have been in the 70s. I simply like all the other I&W songs more.
61/84 ****
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19. Finally Free
18. Strange Deja Vu
17. Take The Time
Three great songs today! All of them fell in my 21-26 range. SDV is a great ball-buster that continues the momentum out of O1982. I had it at #21. Finally Free is a great, if not overly long, ending to the album. I had it at #26. TTT is the least of the big 3 on I&W, and I'm a bit disappointed it's going to rank lower than UAGM. I remember spending a lot of time learning to play this song after a transcription was published in Guitar for the Practicing Musician back in '92 or '93. Unfortunately, I didn't yet have a 6-string bass, and my 5-string was (and still is) strung EADGC, so I had to modify the groovy riff under the first verse. I had TTT at #23. In the prior countdown, these songs ranked as follows:
FF: 10 (-9)
SDV: 24 (+6)
TTT: 26 (+9)
List Not Ranked
100 This Dying Soul (47T) Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall into the Light (72), Honor Thy Father (71), Raise the Knife (65), The Great Debate (53), Peruvian Skies (44T), Disappear (41), The Mirror (27)
98
97 This Is the Life (88)
96
95
94
93 Lines in the Sand (28)
92 The Ministry of Lost Souls (61)
91
90
89
88 Another Day (38)
87 Innocence Faded (42)
86 Lie (47T)
85 In the Presence of Enemies (22)
84 Forsaken (95)
83
82 Erotomania (40)
81 The Spirit Carries On (26)
80
79 Vacant (97)
78 Wait for Sleep (44T)
77 The Silent Man (66)
76
75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
74
73 A Nightmare to Remember (50)
72
71 These Walls (54)
70
69 At Wit's End (37)
68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
67 The Dark Eternal Night (70)
66 Pale Blue Dot (62)
65 Transcending Time (90)
64
63 Space-Dye Vest (30)
62
61 Beneath the Surface (64)
60 Hell's Kitchen (57)
59 Afterlife (96)
58
57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
56
55 The Alien (69)
54 The Root of All Evil (36)
53 The Bigger Picture (60)
52
51
50
49 As I Am (43)
48 A View from the Top of the World (49)
47 Lifting Shadows off a Dream (35)
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45
44 On the Backs of Angels (56)
43 Ytse Jam (67)
42 One Last Time (46)
41 Through Her Eyes (74)
40 The Dance of Eternity (33)
39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
38 Hollow Years (59)
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36 Caught in a Web (51)
35 Barstool Warrior (52)
34 Endless Sacrifice (29)
33 Outcry (58)
32 6:00 (34)
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30 Bridges in the Sky (23)
29 Misunderstood (31)
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26 Finally Free (19)
25 Overture 1928 (32)
24 Beyond This Life (24)
23 Take the Time (17)
22 Surrounded (20)
21 Strange Deja Vu (18)
20
19 Sacrificed Sons (63)
18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
16
15 The Killing Hand (68)
14 Panic Attack (55)
13 Illumination Theory (25)
12
11 Stream of Consciousness (39)
10
9 Blind Faith (21)
8
7
6
5
4
3
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1. No chance of making the list at this point
Out of curiosity, did you have this description here from day 1? :biggrin:
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1. No chance of making the list at this point
Out of curiosity, did you have this description here from day 1? :biggrin:
Yes; I predicted that I would have the lowest ranking (or unranked) No. 1. And I stand by it; it's my favorite DT song.
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25. Illumination Theory
Had this at #8 and on hindsight I think I ranked it way too high. Probably had some sort of long song bias when I ran the list trough the ranker. Still a great song.
24. Beyond This Life
Amazing song, had it at #22
23. Bridges In The Sky
One of the best and most epic choruses in any DT song. Really strong song troughout. Ranked it #16 and after listening through my top60 or so in a playlist, I would now rank it even higher.
22. In The Presence Of Enemies
My #3. So yeah, one of the best songs the band has done :metal
21. Blind Faith
NR. For some reason this song has never done anything for me. Chorus feels a bit weak to me.
20. Surrounded
#15. I love the lyrics, vocal delivery, shifts in pace and mood and the guitar solo is really fun.
19. Finally Free
#6. Best song (imo) of the best DT album. Love the melodies, the twist in the story, the callbacks to previous songs and the outro.
18. Strange Deja-Vu:
#53. Suprised to see this song this high, especially surpassing FF and BTL. All the songs on SFAM are great, but this is by no means a stand out track on the album for me.
17. Take the Time:
#96. The Free Bird solo on that one live version is really awesome. But thats not even from this song ;D Its a good song, I just dont listen to it very frequently
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I don't think I'll have a best ranker spot. Most likely candidate was The Mirror, but I'm pleasantly surprised to see I was beaten to it. Also Take the Time, since we all suspect which songs can fill the top 5 spots, could have potentially been the one, but it didn't, so unless I'm top ranker for my #3 song (if I was beaten for The Mirror, I can't imagine no one ranked this #2 or #1), I won't be the highest ranker for any of the top 100 songs.
I can see myself however being the top ranker for several songs that didn't make the list. It would be fun to have quick statistics for the songs that didn't make the top 100 at the end of this....
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Is it shadowing to list my BOTTOM ten at this point?
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All three songs today are fantastic, but I didn't have any of the 3 ranked as high as they are in the consensus.
19 Finally Free - I had this one at # 40. Not my favorite from SFAM, but still terrific.
18 Strange Deja Vu - # 28 for me. Still not my favorite from the album, though.
17 Take The Time - I had this at # 31, and it would probably be higher if not for the dumb chorus lyric. But the music is amazing.
And 13 of my top 20 are still alive!
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87. Finally Free Slight chance of making the list at this point
Slight chance of making the list???? Sorry Stadler, I can't believe this song only ranked 19! Should have been top 10 for sure.
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Three great tracks today.
Finally Free - I wasn't sure I would be a high ranker for any tracks but I am for this one at number 3, sharing with Lethean (well done mate). Just an epic closing track to an epic album, laced with brilliant melodies and call backs and an all time great outro. Really shocked this didn't finish in the top 10.
Strange Deja Vu - Another great track from the same album but no where near as epic as Finally Free. My rank 27.
Take The Time - one of my least favourite tracks from I&A but I still love it. My rank 29.
Still have 8 of my top 10 to be revealed. All the rest are in my top 30 apart from one outlier at 39 (which as one whole song I don't share the love it appears to be getting by not appearing yet).
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19. Finally Free
Highest Finish: 3 (Lethean, The Realm)
18. Strange Deja Vu
Highest Finish: 3 (NoFred, Stadler)
17. Take The Time
Highest Finish: 3 (twosuitluke)
All peaked at #3 on someone's list! Here's where my list stands:
Rank. Song Name - My Ranking
100. Never Enough - my 59
99. Wither - my 92
98. The Gift Of Music (No ranking)
97. Vacant - my 29
96. Afterlife (No ranking)
95. Forsaken - my 21 - I was the high vote for this one!
94. S2N (No ranking)
93. Our New World (No ranking)
92. The Looking Glass - my 83
91. A New Beginning (No ranking)
90. Transcending Time (No ranking)
89. Behind The Veil (No ranking)
88. This Is The Life - my 82
87. New Millennium - my 16
86. Constant Motion - my 84
85. Sleeping Giant (No ranking)
83t. The Enemy Inside (No ranking)
83t. Surrender To Reason - my 67
82. Only A Matter Of Time (No ranking)
81. Awaken The Master (No ranking)
80. I Walk Beside You - my 35
79. The Shattered Fortress - my 100
78. A Fortune In Lies (No ranking)
77. The Best Of Times - my 96
76. To Live Forever - my 85
75. Answering The Call (No ranking)
74. Through Her Eyes - my 50
73. Lost Not Forgotten - my 15
72. Fall Into The Light (No ranking)
71. Honor Thy Father - my 69
70. The Dark Eternal Night (No ranking)
69. The Alien - my 86
68. The Killing Hand (No ranking)
67. Ytse Jam (No ranking)
66. The Silent Man - my 79
65. Raise The Knife (No ranking)
64. Beneath The Surface - my 52
63. Sacrificed Sons (No ranking)
62. Pale Blue Dot (No ranking)
61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls - my 57
60. The Bigger Picture - my 74
59. Hollow Years - my 64
58. Outcry - my 49
57. Hell's Kitchen - my 61
56. On The Backs Of Angels - my 31
55. Panic Attack - my 93
54. These Walls - my 81
53. The Great Debate - my 32
52. Barstool Warrior (No ranking)
51. Caught In A Web - my 73
50. A Nightmare To Remember - my 99
49. A View From The Top Of The World (No ranking)
47t. Lie - my 20
47t. This Dying Soul - my 47
46. One Last Time - my 46
44t. Peruvian Skies - my 9
44t. Wait For Sleep - my 43
43. As I Am - my 89
42. Innocence Faded - my 75
41. Disappear - my 24
40. Erotomania - my 77
39. Stream Of Consciousness - my 60
38. Another Day - my 63
Since my last post...
37. At Wit's End (No ranking)
36. The Root Of All Evil - my 66
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream - my 91
34. 6:00 - my 28
33. The Dance Of Eternity - my 40
32. Overture 1928 - my 37
31. Misunderstood - my 39
30. Space-Dye Vest - my 11
29. Endless Sacrifice - my 10
28. Lines In The Sand - my 12
27. The Mirror - my 19
26. The Spirit Carries On - my 55
25. Illumination Theory - my 51
24. Beyond This Life - my 54
23. Bridges In The Sky - my 70
22. In The Presence Of Enemies - my 27
21. Blind Faith - my 7
20. Surrounded - my 23
19. Finally Free - my 53
18. Strange Deja Vu - my 14
17. Take The Time - my 26
Of the latest batch:
- We're starting to dig into my personal top songs, with my #7, 10, 11 and 12 all making an appearance.
- I definitely ranked Finally Free lower than I should have. I love the storytelling, the twist, the mood and James is on fire in this one. Interesting story: when I first downloaded the leaked album on Kazaa before its official release, the last track was The Spirit Carries On and I was still plenty happy with the album. Then my friend and I listened to the CD with our properly purchased copy and when this track started we were in shock. We didn't realize a track was missing, and it left us with our jaws on the floor when it ended.
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19. Finally Free
Highest Finish: 3 (Lethean, The Realm)
Number of Lists appeared on: 63 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
One of the best closing tracks in DT catalog. I love the live versions with MP doing the solos at the end.
18. Strange Deja Vu
Highest Finish: 3 (NoFred, Stadler)
Number of Lists appeared on: 65 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, wolfking, Zydar)
Kind of surprised to see this placed as high as it did. The pairing of O1928 and Strange Deja Vu is *chefs kiss*
17. Take The Time
Highest Finish: 3 (twosuitluke)
Number of Lists appeared on: 60 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, wolfking, Zydar)
I had Finally Free at #52.
I mean, this should've made my Top 50, but...it didn't. I definitely like it though.
I had Strange Deja Vu at #49.
I'm surprised this is in the Top 20, but there's a lot packed into this little track.
I had Take The Time at #10.
One of my favorite DT songs from Day 1. Still amazing.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 6:00 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 The Root Of All Evil Transcending Time
95 Lie Behind The Veil
94 New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 Zydar The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot As I Am
84 Misunderstood
83 The Mirror
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78 Stream Of Consciousness
77 A Nightmare To Remember
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72 Beyond This Life
71
70 One Last Time
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58 Wait For Sleep
57 Illumination Theory
56 The Spirit Carries On
55
54 Barstool Warrior
53
52 Finally Free
51 Erotomania
50
49 Strange Deja Vu
48 Bridges In The Sky
47 Blind Faith
46
45 Overture 1928
44 Panic Attack
43 Innocence Faded
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39 A View From The Top Of The World
38 At Wits End
37 Fall Into The Light
36 In The Presence Of Enemies
35 The Gift Of Music
34 The Dance Of Eternity
33 Peruvian Skies
32 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25 Surrounded
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20 This Dying Soul
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15
14 The Best Of Times
13 Endless Sacrifice
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10 Take The Time
9
8 Lines In The Sand
7 Disappear
6
5 Space Dye Vest
4 The Killing Hand
3
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@ReaperKK
Correct me if I'm wrong...66 total lists submitted, and we haven't yet had any song appear on every list (Strange Deja Vu made 65 lists, and that's the closest so far). Correct?
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@ReaperKK
Correct me if I'm wrong...66 total lists submitted, and we haven't yet had any song appear on every list (Strange Deja Vu made 65 lists, and that's the closest so far). Correct?
Bridges in the sky was in 65 as well. Beyond This Life made 64.
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Almost positive I’ll be the top ranker of my #3 song.
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25. Illumination Theory (91st) DREAM THEATER, IF YOU'RE READING THIS, DO MORE STUFF IN THE VEIN OF THE LAST FEW MINUTES OF THIS SONG. SO GOOD.
24. Beyond This Life (88th) I'm a SFAM hater, what can I say? It's an okay song though.
23. Bridges In The Sky (8th) This song could be top 5 but the intro is too long, it's otherwise a stellar song. When JLB sings "crossing bridges in the sky", it's so good.
22. In The Presence Of Enemies (28th) Cool epic on a weird album. I don't like the Dark Master part. Everything else is good. Odd song for DT, though.
21. Blind Faith (42nd) Easily the worst track of SDOIT but still just fine.
20. Surrounded (25th) What a lovely song. Just, so bouncy but then a bit serious. DT does this style of song nicely.
19. Finally Free (76th) SFAM, yeah....
18. Strange Deja Vu (89th) Lol. The "uncanny strange deja vu" does pop into my mind at times.
17. Take The Time (19th) The energy in this song is really vibrant. JLB is having fun and the music is good.
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Almost positive I’ll be the top ranker of my #3 song.
I would also assume the heaviest hitters will have a lot of ties for #1 ranker.
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Everyone will be the top ranker (at least tied) for a minimum of one song! :biggrin:
Finally Free ... 59. Middle of the road track to close out the 3rd best concept album of all time. Nothing wrong with it, but there is so much better on SFAM, let alone the whole discog
SDV ... 24. Ranked right after O1928. I don't understand how anyone can't see them hand in hand. I mean, is there ever a reason to intentionally listen to them on their own. The go together like peas and carrots.
Take the Time... Yeah, I too am sad it's lower than Glass Moon. It's just a flawless tune. A little too complex in the vocal melodies to ever do it justice live, but such an amazing tune, and this is peak James Labrie.
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You know what I mean jingle.man. :P :lol
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You know what I mean jingle.man. :P :lol
Yeah, I was mostly responding to MirrorMask's post, I just forgot to quote him.
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You know what I mean jingle.man. :P :lol
Yeah, I was mostly responding to MirrorMask's post, I just forgot to quote him.
Mostly, so some of that was at me?
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A weird update for me today, a couple songs from my all-time favorite album that I ranked much lower than the consensus.
Finally Free- Back at #52. A great way to end the album, with the One Last Time reprise and drum outro being highlights. Nothing wrong with it, other songs are just better.
Strange Deja Vu- I had it at #64. Definitely part of a pair with Overture 1928, and overshadowed a bit by it for me.
Take the Time- I put this up at #11, a great song from I&W. Some fun work from JM on this one and James sounds great.
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I stared at jingle's profile pic and name for far too long before realizing he changed the pic, I don't like change :lol
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I can see myself however being the top ranker for several songs that didn't make the list. It would be fun to have quick statistics for the songs that didn't make the top 100 at the end of this....
This top rangers for the bottom >100 songs would be cool to see. I might have a chance at one of those
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Lots of catching up to do.
6:00- 24
Such a cool and quirky opener that always sounds fresh even though I've heard it hundreds of times
The Dance of Eternity- NR
The album is a masterpiece but for whatever reason I've never warmed up to this one song.
Overture 1928- 80
Space Dye Vest- 5
I thought there was a chance I'd have the highest ranking, and so I'm happy to know it has deeply resonated with others as well. It's a huge reason why Awake is my favorite DT album. It's also the one DT song that my dad really likes. I'm embarrassed that it took me so many years to learn that the first sample was spoken by Julian Sands considering how I was a huge fan of his.
Endless Sacrifice- 19
I keep forgetting this song is over 11 minutes long because it flies by every time, and I love every second.
Lines in the Sand- 35
Half of the song is tons of fun and the other half is very mellow and pretty. This countdown is making me realize how much I fucking love Falling Into Infinity!
The Mirror- 15
Love that eerie organ and dark atmosphere. And out of all the songs with cinematic samples, I think this one used them the most effectively.
The Spirit Carries On- 12
The "Safe in the light that surrounds me..." section gives me chills every time. A perfect song!
Illumination Theory- 32
This was originally in my Top 15 but for some reason I kept moving it back. Has one of their best intros. The 8:30-11:00 section is pure magic! And James sounds so awesome at the "rebels for their freedom, a tyrant for the praise...." part
Beyond This Life- 40
The last two minutes of Fatal Tragedy might be their heaviest section ever, and so you'd think that a calm breather might be in order after the words "death is not the end but only a transition" but instead we immediately get this badass, menacing monster of a song for over 11 minutes. Great stuff.
Bridges in the Sky- 47
In the Presence of Enemies- 70
I probably should have given this one a better ranking, as Part 2 has really grown on me lately. I can imagine a day where I'd place it in the Top 40. Maybe next time.
Blind Faith- 52
Yeah, that slow buildup and jubilant chorus makes this such a powerful live song! Really enjoy Jordan's work on this one.
Surrounded- 10
A strong contender for "last song I'd want to hear before exiting this earth"
Finally Free- 8
A poignant and breathtaking conclusion to one of the best concept albums ever.
Strange Deja Vu- 69
Take the Time- 93
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Finally Free (33) I think of it as a great ending to one of the best album experiences to be had on this side of the universe. but I never listen to it on its own (unlike a lot of other SFAM songs).
Strange Deja Vu (18) This one, for example.
Take the Time (21) After Wait for Sleep, my second highest ranked IaW song. Feels extremely poppy and proggy at the same time. The vocal melodies here are the best example why I'll always feel a bit conflicted about vocals on IaW. On the one hand, they have James sing too high and squeezed to show the best his voice can sound (and to be normally singable for pretty much any human being). On the other, this disregard for considerations normally taken when composing a vocal melody makes them unique and exciting.
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Friday Update!
16. Under A Glass Moon
Highest Finish: 3 (Dream Team, Fonzie)
Number of Lists appeared on: 63 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Dat solo doe.... Seriously I love this song start to finish. This is some of DT at their finest, great song writing and no distracting wankery sections
15. The Glass Prison
Highest Finish: 2 (jeff_kinsley)
Number of Lists appeared on: 63 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
My first true introduction of DT. After downloading the Ytse Jam drum solo from kazaa I decided to check out the newest release which was Six Degrees at the time. I put this on and I couldn't believe what I hearing. It was incredible. I can remember that moment exactly :lol and listening to this song always takes me back to that moment. Out of the 12SS this is the song I return the most.
14. Pull Me Under
Highest Finish: 1 (WardySI)
Number of Lists appeared on: 64 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
No surprise this was their hit at the time. Similar to UAGM this song rocks from start to finish, in fact some might say it ends too soon... :neverusethis:
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Rank - Song - My Rank
16 - Under a glass moon - 6 - Yes, that solo. That everything about this one clicked w me from listen one and hasn't let up. Absolutely love this one
15 - the glass prison - 7 - The intro, riffs, vinny paul section - metal DT at it's best! Still waiting to see this one live . . . .
14 - pull me under - 12 - Yes, the most overplayed (other than maybe TSCO), but unquestionably the most important song in DT history from a commercial impact, and it was one of the only times CT shows seemed to have a pulse on recent tours, the crowd reaction to this one is always so powah
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Catching up!
Finally Free - #10 - an incredible, very satisfying closer to one of the greatest concept albums of all time indeed.
Strange Deja Vu - #39 - solid song to kick off SFAM proper, but I don't love it.
Take the Time - #53 - again, I like this, just not as much as most of Images. Sad that it's lower than UAGM.
Today's update:
Under a Glass Moon - #81 - the only dud for me on the otherwise good/awesome album.
The Glass Prison - #86 - I'm very ambivalent towards this one. The whole song doesn't do much for me[, but several parts, especially the final section, are pretty good.
Pull Me Under - #23 - great song. A well-deserved hit.
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Under a Glass Moon ... 16 - so I'm right there with the masses. Kay's comment nails it. The opening chord is just bliss.
The Glass Prison ... 19. I missed the album release cycles of SFAM-ToT in real time. I'd just starting dating mrs.jingle in '98, married in '99, and jingle.kids in '00. So around 2005 in the 8vm cycle, I got caught up. Hearing this album took a bit of adjustment, because other than Beyond This Life, I'd never heard DT so heavy as this song. It was a quick adjustment, and I learned to love this track, and this album. I'm shocked it's not the #1 ranked song from 6DOIT, tbh
Pull Me Under ... 50. My least enjoyed tune from I&W. L@B version absolutely cratered my enjoyment of it. This is the Here I Go Again; the Pour Some Sugar on Me; the Don't Stop Believin'; the You Shook Me All Night Long of DT's catalog. Sure, it's their breakthru commercial hit and their flagship song (which is why it rates @50 for me) ... but if I never hear it again, I'll be able to live just fine.
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16. Under a Glass Moon: # 51 This was the very first song I heard from DT, at some point in 2005/2006, I think, and I absolutely hated it. Then after SC came out and I listened to more of their stuff, I went back to this song and it was an instant favorite at the time.
15. The Glass Prison: #37. Great track. Love every second of this song minus the linkin park-DJ sounding part that transitions into the 2nd step, beyond that, just a banger of a song.
14. Pull Me Under: #42 Yeah, undeniable why this track is their most popular. It's a great song, there are many that are better (for me).
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16. Under A Glass Moon
Fantastic song of course, even though I just "like it quite a lot" rather than "fully utterly loving it". We're talking about Ferrari vs Mercedes anyway here. Great song. It was my 31, 15 positions lower.
15. The Glass Prison
Another fantastic song, one of their heaviest and most iconic by now. Not completely sold on the hip-hop noises and how "exagerated" it is at times but it's heavy DT at their best and I ranked it 15th, just 4 positions lower.
Fun fact: the end of the songs feels conclusive enough. I was really surprised to see that the saga was going on with This Dying Soul and the next installments....
14. Pull Me Under
I'm running out of adjectives here, their greatest hit is an awesome song and congrats to them for never turning it into a live staple to the point that one would get sick and tired of it. Yeah, I'm gonna go with "fantastic" again here, one of their trademark and most iconic songs.
And for the first time ever, my ranking matches!!! 14th place for me.
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Under A Glass Moon - 9
Pure melodic bliss - once again an Images And Words song is in my Top 10. That solo is one of JPs most classic ones. Lovely lyrics as well ("taste the memories running from my eyes", "bathing your soul in silver tears").
The Glass Prison - 55
"Full on metal" DT is not really my favourite side of the band, but this one is quite good I guess. I bet it was a great concert opener on the following tour. Impressive arpeggio work from JP.
Pull Me Under - 27
My lowest ranked song from Images And Words. But that doesn't make it a bad one at all, I just love the other songs even more. I can see why this became the big hit at the time.
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Under a Glass Moon The Glass Prison Pull Me Under
UAGM - awesome largely on account of the solo and the “beneath the summer sky” section.
The Glass Prison was DT’s turn into metal first and while there are parts of it I like I find the metal-ness of it tedious. And it opened a similarly tedious suite of songs taking up space on multiple albums.
Pull Me Under doesn’t do so much for me these days, but I did love it back in the day. The intro remains iconic, and a great introduction to the album.
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25. Illumination Theory (91st) DREAM THEATER, IF YOU'RE READING THIS, DO MORE STUFF IN THE VEIN OF THE LAST FEW MINUTES OF THIS SONG. SO GOOD.
24. Beyond This Life (88th) I'm a SFAM hater, what can I say? It's an okay song though.
23. Bridges In The Sky (8th) This song could be top 5 but the intro is too long, it's otherwise a stellar song. When JLB sings "crossing bridges in the sky", it's so good.
22. In The Presence Of Enemies (28th) Cool epic on a weird album. I don't like the Dark Master part. Everything else is good. Odd song for DT, though.
21. Blind Faith (42nd) Easily the worst track of SDOIT but still just fine.
20. Surrounded (25th) What a lovely song. Just, so bouncy but then a bit serious. DT does this style of song nicely.
19. Finally Free (76th) SFAM, yeah....
18. Strange Deja Vu (89th) Lol. The "uncanny strange deja vu" does pop into my mind at times.
17. Take The Time (19th) The energy in this song is really vibrant. JLB is having fun and the music is good.
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16. Under A Glass Moon (67th) It's a fine song, with a cool intro. It's always been the weakest or second weakest track on IaW to me, though.
15. The Glass Prison (3rd) This is 15th and I am shocked. I know some of the songs remaining, but I thought this was one of the most favored songs. Interesting. Anyway, this song is just pure gas for a long time.
14. Pull Me Under (77th) This and UAGM are fine songs, but they can swap being the worst or 2nd worst on the album, but they have stiff competition. Also surprised this is so high, is it because it's their most famous song?
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16. Under A Glass Moon (NR) not a fan of the chorus.
15. The Glass Prison (NR) my intro to them on stage, and the first studio track I heard after. Reactions to various parts of it still range from ‘this is absolutely fabulous’ to ‘oh, dear….’ That said, if they do somewhat alternating sets on the upcoming tour, I think it would be fantastic if this would be the opener one night, then have it as the first song after the intermission the next, and so on.
14. Pull Me Under (#20) I enjoy this as much as I do the ones I ranked above it, and the twenty or so that follow it.
62/87 ****
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Under a Glass Moon ended up at 46. It's a very good song that has tough comprtition.... lowest rated of I&W for me.
The Glass Prison ranked 90. It's good son but Dream Theater has so many I like better.
Pull Me Under ranked at 16th place. First I heard / saw of the guys was this gem played on MTV's Headbanger's Ball. Glued to the screen I was hooked immeiately and forever..... still rocks as hard
My ranking so far
5 Take the Time (17)
6 Another Day (38)
7 Space-Dye Vest (30)
8 One Last Time (46)
11 The Dance of Eternity (33)
12 The Spirit Carries On (26)
13 Surrounded (20)
16 Pull Me Under (14)
17 The Mirror (27)
18 Finally Free (19)
19 The Silent Man (66)
20 Illumination Theory (25)
22 6:00 (34)
21 Caught In a Web (51
27 Wait For Sleep (44t)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
35 Beyond This Life (24)
36 Strange Deja Vu (18)
37 Our New World (93)
38 Innocence Faded (42)
40 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (35)
41 A View from the Top of the World (49t)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
46 Under a Glass Moon (16)
47 Lie (47t)
48 Erotomania (40)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
63 Bridges In the Sky (23)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
61 At Wit's End ( 37)
62 Stream of Consciousness (39)
73 As I Am (43)
74 The Root of All Evil(36)
75 The Alien (69)
77 A Nightmare To Remember (49t)
78 Misunderstood (31)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
86 Peruvian Skies (44t)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
90 The Glass Prison (15)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
96 Endless Sacrifice (29)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Highest ranker of
8 One Last Time (46)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52), This Dying Soul (47t), Disappear (41), Overture 1928 (32), Lines In The Sand (28), In the Presence of Enemies (22), Blind Faith (21)
Rated: 52
Not rated: 32
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87. Finally Free Slight chance of making the list at this point
Slight chance of making the list???? Sorry Stadler, I can't believe this song only ranked 19! Should have been top 10 for sure.
Nah, I may well have underestimated the importance/affection of that track. I thought the same thing when I updated my list. :) :) :)
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
155. Hell's Kitchen
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
146. Disappear
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
142. Ytsejam
139. Panic Attack
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
132. Barstool Warrior
127. Lines In The Sand
125. Stream Of Consciousness
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
118. In The Presence Of Enemies
109. Outcry
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
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100.Slight chance of making the list at this point
99. No chance of making the list at this point
98. Another Day
97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
95. The Great Debate
94. No chance of making the list at this point
93. No chance of making the list at this point
92. No chance of making the list at this point
91. The Glass Prison Slight chance of making the list at this point
90. On The Backs Of Angels
89. No chance of making the list at this point
88. No chance of making the list at this point
87. Finally Free
86. No chance of making the list at this point
85. Constant Motion
84. Beneath The Surface
83. At Wit's End
82. Peruvian Skies
81. Space Dye Vest
80. The Enemy Inside
79. Strong chance of making the list at this point
78. Hollow Years
77. Slight chance of making the list at this point
76. The Shattered Fortress
75. No chance of making the list at this point
74. No chance of making the list at this point
73. Lie
72. No chance of making the list at this point
71. No chance of making the list at this point
70. No chance of making the list at this point
69. The Mirror
68. A Nightmare To Remember
67. The Silent Man
66. The Root Of All Evil
65. The Spirit Carries On
64. No chance of making the list at this point
63. No chance of making the list at this point
62. As I Am
61. These Walls
60. No chance of making the list at this point
59. The Gift of Music
58. Illumination Theory
57. The Bigger Picture
56. One Last Time
55. Pale Blue Dot
54. Answering The Call
53. Strong chance of making the list
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
50. Slight chance of making the list at this point
49. No chance of making the list at this point
48. Endless Sacrifice
47. No chance of making the list at this point
46. A New Beginning
45. No chance of making the list at this point
44. Forsaken
43. A View From The Top Of The World
42. Slight chance of making the list at this point
41. The Looking Glass
40. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
39. No chance of making the list at this point
38. The Dance Of Eternity
37. Beyond This Life
36. New Millenium
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
34. Wait For Sleep
33. Transcending Time
32. Blind Faith
31. The Best Of Times
30. Erotomania
29. Strong chance of making the list
28. Our New World
27. Strong chance of making the list
26. Bridges In The Sky
25. Raise The Knife
24. 6:00
23. I Walk Beside You
22. No chance of making the list at this point
21. Sacrificed Sons
20. Take The Time
19. Caught In A Web
18. No chance of making the list at this point
17. Lock to make the list
16. Lock to make the list
15. Under A Glass Moon Lock to make the list
14. To Live Forever
13. Lock to make the list
12. Strong chance of making the list
11. Surrounded
10. Lock to make the list
9. Innocence Faded
8. Pull Me Under Lock to make the list
7. This Dying Soul
6. Misunderstood
5. This Is The Life
4. Overture 1928
3. Strange Deja Vu
2. Strong chance of making the list
1. No chance of making the list at this point
So I conceded I blew my guess on Finally Free, but not for The Glass Prison; I am really surprised it's this high, given some of the comments about the 12SS over the years. Great tune, but among a number of great and even greater tunes.
Under A Glass Moon is one of those songs that has just endured over the years. This is one of those songs that is why I love I&W so much.
Like Swedish Goose, Pull Me Under is why I'm here and why I've been on the DT train for the better part of 30 years. I'm of the opinion that these songs that have transcended - even if overplayed - transcend for a reason. I LOVE this song to this day, and it's kind of a gateway drug for me these days. Like all bands, I sometimes ebb and flow as far as being in the mood to listen, but this song has a way of "kindling" the DT fire for me, and when I hear it, I invariably at LEAST listen to the rest of the album, if not other parts of the catalogue. A truly great song.
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19. Finally Free (NR) Wow, something brought this song down to me. Dunno what it is.
18. Strange Deja Vu (29th) Same album, more of my jam!
17. Take The Time (39th) Great fun, very "dated" but in a fantastic way.
16. Under A Glass Moon (37th) It would be DT's signature song in I&W if there weren't some other tracks that were very signature-y of them in that album.
15. The Glass Prison (11th) No words for this banger, other than because I got ToT before SDOIT I was a lot more used to This Dying Soul than with TGP, so the reprise "order" got flipped for a bit. Gotta say part 1 beats part 2 by a wide margin, even though I love TDS.
14. Pull Me Under (13th) I thought this would rank higher! What a banger.
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UAGM My third highest-ranker
The solo, and the bit leading up to it are sensational. The instrumental section sounds properly composed and rehearsed, but still loose enough to be enjoyable.
I bet a lot of the folks who ranked this highly will be guitar players who at least tried to follow JP’s lessons… and failed (like I did!)
TGP. Ok. The 12SS is a little bit of a slog
PMU. Yeah, there’s a reason this popular!
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16. Under A Glass Moon
15. The Glass Prison
14. Pull Me Under
I have never been a big fan of UAGM. I have no idea why. Maybe it's just that it pales in comparison to what comes before and after it on the album. For a while, it was my least favorite song on I&W. I've warmed to it a bit over the years, but it's still song #7 on that album. Of course, song #7 on an album like I&W is still really good. I had it in the #89 spot (actually behind Another Day, but I'm going to say that was a result of the hasty manner in which I made my list - it should be 10 or so spots higher).
The Glass Prison is another song that really didn't register with me initially, but I eventually came around. That opening bass riff is so cool, and the song kicks all sorts of ass. It's a bit bloated, though. I had it at #45.
Pull Me Under is, of course, the song that started it all. By the summer of 1992, I had mostly given up on music radio. The mighty KNAC was playing a LOT of grunge and leftover glam, and most of my favorite bands were putting out disappointing material (and no one was playing Fates Warning, who was releasing amazing material). I got a heads up about PMU from a friend, so I made a point of listening for it, and I was simply blown away. I'd never heard anything like this, and one of the things that really appealed to me was how they incorporated keyboards as a lead instrument, and it seemed like all four instrumentalists were top notch (the one knock against Fates was that Joe Dibiase seemed to be a bit of an Ian Hill). Anyway, I bought the album, and the rest was history. The song hasn't aged as well as some of the other material on the album. I had it at #51 on my list.
Today's songs' rankings compared to the prior countdown:
16. Under a Glass Moon - 29 (+13)
15. The Glass Prison - 13 (-2)
14. Pull Me Under - 27 (+13)
List Not Ranked
100 This Dying Soul (47T) Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall into the Light (72), Honor Thy Father (71), Raise the Knife (65), The Great Debate (53), Peruvian Skies (44T), Disappear (41), The Mirror (27)
98
97 This Is the Life (88)
96
95
94
93 Lines in the Sand (28)
92 The Ministry of Lost Souls (61)
91
90
89 Under a Glass Moon (16)
88 Another Day (38)
87 Innocence Faded (42)
86 Lie (47T)
85 In the Presence of Enemies (22)
84 Forsaken (95)
83
82 Erotomania (40)
81 The Spirit Carries On (26)
80
79 Vacant (97)
78 Wait for Sleep (44T)
77 The Silent Man (66)
76
75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
74
73 A Nightmare to Remember (50)
72
71 These Walls (54)
70
69 At Wit's End (37)
68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
67 The Dark Eternal Night (70)
66 Pale Blue Dot (62)
65 Transcending Time (90)
64
63 Space-Dye Vest (30)
62
61 Beneath the Surface (64)
60 Hell's Kitchen (57)
59 Afterlife (96)
58
57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
56
55 The Alien (69)
54 The Root of All Evil (36)
53 The Bigger Picture (60)
52
51 Pull Me Under (14)
50
49 As I Am (43)
48 A View from the Top of the World (49)
47 Lifting Shadows off a Dream (35)
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45 The Glass Prison (15)
44 On the Backs of Angels (56)
43 Ytse Jam (67)
42 One Last Time (46)
41 Through Her Eyes (74)
40 The Dance of Eternity (33)
39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
38 Hollow Years (59)
37
36 Caught in a Web (51)
35 Barstool Warrior (52)
34 Endless Sacrifice (29)
33 Outcry (58)
32 6:00 (34)
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30 Bridges in the Sky (23)
29 Misunderstood (31)
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26 Finally Free (19)
25 Overture 1928 (32)
24 Beyond This Life (24)
23 Take the Time (17)
22 Surrounded (20)
21 Strange Deja Vu (18)
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19 Sacrificed Sons (63)
18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
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15 The Killing Hand (68)
14 Panic Attack (55)
13 Illumination Theory (25)
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11 Stream of Consciousness (39)
10
9 Blind Faith (21)
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7
6
5
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THE SCORE SO FAR
(Getting Ready for the Final Stretch Edition, Pt. 2: Scenes from Everyone's Memories)
1. Awake (9 songs, 537 points): The Silent Man (66), Caught in a Web (51), Lie (47T), Innocence Faded (42), Erotomania (40), Lifting Shadows off a Dream (35), 6:00 (34), Space-Dye Vest (30), The Mirror (27)
2. Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory (8 songs, 536 points): Through Her Eyes (74), One Last Time (46), The Spirit Carries On (26), Beyond This Life (24), Finally Free (19), Strange Deja Vu (18)
3. Images and Words (6 songs, 457 points): Wait for Sleep (44), Another Day (38), Surrounded (20), Take the Time (17), Under a Glass Moon (16), Pull Me Under (14)
4. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (5 songs, 344 points): The Great Debate (53), Disappear (41), Misunderstood (31), Blind Faith (21), The Glass Prison (15)
5. Train of Thought (6 songs, 280 points): Vacant (97), Honor Thy Father (71), This Dying Soul (47T), As I Am (43), Stream of Consciousness (39), Endless Sacrifice (29)
6. A Dramatic Turn of Events (6 songs, 244 points): This Is the Life (88), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Beneath the Surface (64), Outcry (58), On the Backs of Angels (56), Bridges in the Sky (23)
7. Falling into Infinity (5 songs, 230 points): New Millennium (87), Hollow Years (59), Hell’s Kitchen (57), Peruvian Skies (44T), Lines in the Sand 28
8. Octavarium (6 songs, 218 points): Never Enough (100), I Walk Beside You (80), Sacrificed Sons (63), Panic Attack (55), These Walls (54), The Root of All Evil (36)
9. Distance over Time (5 songs, 188 points): S2N (94), Fall into the Light (72), Pale Blue Dot (62), Barstool Warrior (52), At Wit’s End (37)
10. Dream Theater (6 songs, 174 points): The Looking Glass (92), Behind the Veil (89), The Enemy Inside (83T), Surrender to Reason (83T), The Bigger Picture (60), Illumination Theory (25)
11. Systematic Chaos (5 songs, 171 points): Forsaken (95), Constant Motion (86), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), In the Presence of Enemies (22)
12. A View from the Top of the World (6 songs, 157 points): Transcending Time (90), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), Answering the Call (75), The Alien (69), A View from the Top of the World (49)
13. When Dream and Day Unite (5 songs, 114 points): Afterlife (96), Only a Matter of Time (82), A Fortune in Lies (78), The Killing Hand (68), Ytse Jam (67)
14. Black Clouds & Silver Linings (4 songs, 99 points): Wither (99), The Shattered Fortress (79), The Best of Times (77), A Nightmare to Remember (50)
15. Other (2 songs, 61 points): To Live Forever (76), Raise the Knife (65)
16. The Astonishing (3 songs, 21 points): The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91)
Depending on how soon its remaining song is revealed, BC&SL will pull into the #8 or #9 spot. With 2 songs each remaining, it will be interesting to see how the top three albums shake out.
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Updates to each song's ranking compared to the prior countdown. The biggest jump is (and will end up being) As I Am, which jumped 28 spots from #71 last time to #43 this time. Only two other songs jumped at least 20 places: Through Her Eyes (from 94 to 74) and 6:00 (from 54 to 34).
The biggest drop was Fall into the Light, which basically switched with AIA, dropping from #43 to #72. Other songs with 20+ point drops: S2N (from 70 to 94), Behind the Veil (from 64 to 89), The Enemy Inside (from 56 to 83T), Surrender to Reason (from 58 to 83T), The Killing Hand (from 48 to 68), The Bigger Picture (from 35T to 60), and Outcry (from 37 to 58).
As mentioned previously, other than the songs from View, Wither is the only song to rank this time that didn't make the countdown last time
100. Never Enough – 99 (-1)
99. Wither – NR
98. The Gift of Music – 83 (-15)
97. Vacant – 89 (-8)
96. Afterlife – 96 (+0)
95. Forsaken – 95 (+0)
94. S2N – 70 (-24)
93. Our New World – 97 (+4)
92. The Looking Glass – 92 (+0)
91. A New Beginning – 68 (23)
90. Transcending Time
89. Behind the Veil – 64 (-25)
88. This Is the Life – 74 (-14)
87. New Millennium – 90 (+3)
86. Constant Motion – 82 (-4)
85. Sleeping Giant
83T. The Enemy Inside – 56 (-27)
83T. Surrender to Reason – 58 (-25)
82. Only a Matter of Time – 75 (-7)
81. Awaken the Master
80. I Walk Beside You – 93 (+13)
79. The Shattered Fortress – 62 (-17)
78. A Fortune in Lies – 76 (-2)
77. The Best of Times – 77 (+0)
76. To Live Forever – 91 (+15)
75. Answering the Call
74. Through Her Eyes – 94 (+20)
73. Lost Not Forgotten – 59T (-14)
72. Fall into the Light – 43 (-29)
71. Honor Thy Father – 81 (+10)
70. The Dark Eternal Night – 78 (+8)
69. The Alien
68. The Killing Hand – 48 (-20)
67. Ytse Jam – 79 (+12)
66. The Silent Man – 80 (+14)
65. Raise the Knife – 72 (+7)
64. Beneath the Surface – 67 (+3)
63. Sacrificed Sons – 53 (-10)
62. Pale Blue Dot – 49 (-13)
61. The Ministry of Lost Souls – 66 (+5)
60. The Bigger Picture – 35T (-25)
59. Hollow Years – 69 (+10)
58. Outcry – 37 (-21)
57. Hell’s Kitchen – 42 (-15)
56. On the Backs of Angels – 73 (+17)
55. Panic Attack - 45 (-10)
54. These Walls - 41 (-13)
53. The Great Debate - 46 (-7)
52. Barstool Warrior - 39 (-13)
51. Caught in a Web - 63 (+12)
50. A Nightmare to Remember - 55 (+5)
49. A View from the Top of the World
47T. Lie – 59T (+12)
47T. This Dying Soul - 51 (+4)
46. One Last Time - 65 (+19)
44T. Peruvian Skies - 61 (+17)
44T. Wait for Sleep - 32 (-12)
43. As I Am - 71 (+28)
42. Innocence Faded - 57 (+15)
41. Disappear - 31 (-10)
40. Erotomania - 52 (+12)
39. Stream of Consciousness - 50 (+11)
38. Another Day - 44 (+6)
37. At Wit’s End - 20 (-17)
36. The Root of All Evil - 34 (-2)
35. Lifting Shadows off a Dream – 35T (+0)
34. 6:00 – 54 (+20)
33. The Dance of Eternity – 47 (+14)
32. Overture 1928 – 38 (+6)
31. Misunderstood – 33 (+2)
30. Space-Dye Vest – 21 (+9)
29. Endless Sacrifice – 40 (+11)
28. Lines in the Sand – 17 (+11)
27. The Mirror – 19 (-8)
26. The Spirit Carries On – 28 (+2)
25. Illumination Theory – 23 (-2)
24. Beyond This Life – 30 (+6)
23. Bridges in the Sky – 16 (-7)
22. In the Presence of Enemies – 25 (+3)
21. Blind Faith – 22 (+1)
20. Surrounded – 15 (-5)
19. Finally Free – 10 (-9)
18. Strange Deja Vu – 24 (+6)
17. Take the Time – 26 (+9)
16. Under a Glass Moon – 29 (+13)
15. The Glass Prison – 13 (-2)
14. Pull Me Under – 27 (+13)
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Yay Under a Glass Moon! Yay Fonzie! Man this song . . . imo one of James' greatest vocal performances. Love that beautiful melodic 2nd verse. Of course the guitar solo is otherworldly but that entire instrumental section, what MP and JM are doing, so fantastic. I never need to hear PMU again but perfect songwriting. I'm with TAC on TGP, has aged very badly for me. MP inserting more rap baloney. Instrumental section goes on too long. James vocals in the first half are meh. But I'll still rock out to it if it comes on.
3 Under a Glass Moon
5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
9 The Great Debate
11 Outcry
12 Overture 1928
14 Blind Faith
16 One Last Time
18 Illumination Theory
19 Beyond This Life
20 Lost Not Forgotten
21 Surrounded
22 A View From the Top of the World
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
27 Take the Time
28 Fall Into the Light
29 Bridges in the Sky
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
33 Disappear
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
42 The Root of All Evil
46 Misunderstood
48 A Fortune in Lies
52 Barstool Warrior
51 Our New World
53 At Wit's End
54 Wither
55 The Alien
56 Lifting Shadows off a Dream
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
59 Innocence Faded
61 I Walk Beside You
62 Endless Sacrifice
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
65 Wait for Sleep
66 The Bigger Picture
67 A Nightmare to Remember
68 Sleeping Giant
70 The Ministry of Lost Souls
71 Pull Me Under
72 The Dance of Eternity
75 Panic Attack
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
80 Strange Deja-Vu
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
88 The Mirror
93 Another Day
95 On the Backs of Angels
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen, These Walls, Caught in a Web, Lie, This Dying Soul, Peruvian Skies, As I Am, Erotomania, Stream of Consciousness, 6:00, Space-Dye Vest, The Spirit Carries On, Lines in the Sand, ITPoE, Finally Free, The Glass Prison
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time, Outcry, Under a Glass Moon
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Moon - 10
Prison - 88
Pull - 24
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I had Under a glass moon at #15, The Glass prison at #21 and Pull me under at #12. Obviously, these are all top tier Dream Theater songs, absolutely representative of why we love this band. We're into the top fifteen! :metal
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Great batch of songs in today's update (I guess not a surprise given how high we are in the list).
Under a Glass Moon- I was right in the neighborhood, #13 on my list. Dat solo indeed, it's wild that JP managed to throw in pretty much every kind of technical flourish (sweeping, tapping, legato, harmonics, whammy bar, etc...) while making it sound incredibly musical and not at all like an exercise. The rest of the song is no slouch either.
The Glass Prison- The first entry from my top 5, this was my #4 song. While it's not my #1, this song will always have a *very* special place in my heart. It's not an exaggeration to say that The Glass Prison changed my life in meaningful ways. Flash back to the summer of 2003. I'm just finished with my sophomore year of high school, and after not getting into music until I was 13-14, I am now big into music and hard rock/heavy metal in particular. Metallica is my favorite band and I spend time on the forums that are part of Metallica's official website. I'm browsing a thread about "recommend other bands that Metallica fans should check out". Plenty of posts about plenty of bands in there, but a post someone made about how if you love Metallica and heavy metal you need to hear this song The Glass Prison by a band called Dream Theater piqued my interest in particular. So one Saturday morning I take a trip to my local Sam Goody (RIP) and buy Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. I take it with me to work and pop it into my CD player on my lunch break and hit play. I can still remember exactly where I was sitting and the feeling of musical epiphany that kicked in along with the double bass drums and carried me through those brain-melting arpeggios. This was the apex of heavy metal to my ears. Now, it wasn't an immediate love affair with DT from that moment on. I did not love or even like prog at that time, I wanted everything to be as :metal as The Glass Prison and I was initially disappointed by everything that wasn't. I stuck with them though, chasing that high from hearing TGP, and a little bit later Scenes From a Memory absolutely highjacked my brain for about three months straight and the rest was history. I moved over from the Metallica forums to these forums, hosted at the time on DT's official site, and over 20 years later I'm still here and I've forged so many important friendships and relationships out of this community that transcend "music friend" or "forum buddy". Not to mention, so much of what I listen to even now is either music directly connected in one way or another to DT or music that I got turned on to by spending time in this place. It's wild to think how different my life would've been if some rando on the Metallica forums hadn't plugged The Glass Prison back in 2003.
Pull Me Under- My #30. It gets the label of overplayed, and I understand why, but it's still a great song.Little things like the riff in the "Watch the sparrows fall" section transitioning from palm muted to not still jump out at me every time I listen to it.
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Cool, Under a Glass Prision day!
The Glass Prision (my #29) is great, super heavy and intense. I think it could benefit of a bit of edition in its first half. Still amazing!
Under a Glass Moon (my #58) is very interesting, still reminiscent of Majesty days, with a lot of ideas cramed in one song, but it works perfectly. That JP solo is still very remarkable.
Pull Me Under (my #63) was my first exposure to DT. That intro, almost like Jean-Michel Jarre meets Metallica, was something that immediately blew my mind. I had never heard prog and heavy metal been mixed like that before... it was EXACTLY the kind of band I was looking for to be my favorite!
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Under a Glass Moon - 16
My second song to nail the aggregate! Still the greatest JP solo of all time to my ears!
The Glass Prison - 10
Absolutely KILLER track (I’m going to try and bring the term “killer” back). I used to have the “RUN!” section as my ringtone back in the day. I even like the scratching bit. Every second of this song is just…KILLER! :rollin
Pull Me Under - 20
Sometimes I have to stop and remind myself how amazing I thought this was when I first heard it. It doesn’t quite have the same impact as it used to, but I still love it!
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Yay Under a Glass Moon! Yay Fonzie! Man this song . . . imo one of James' greatest vocal performances. Love that beautiful melodic 2nd verse. Of course the guitar solo is otherworldly but that entire instrumental section, what MP and JM are doing, so fantastic. I never need to hear PMU again but perfect songwriting. I'm with TAC on TGP, has aged very badly for me. MP inserting more rap baloney. Instrumental section goes on too long. James vocals in the first half are meh. But I'll still rock out to it if it comes on.
3 Under a Glass Moon
5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
9 The Great Debate
11 Outcry
12 Overture 1928
14 Blind Faith
16 One Last Time
18 Illumination Theory
19 Beyond This Life
20 Lost Not Forgotten
21 Surrounded
22 A View From the Top of the World
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
27 Take the Time
28 Fall Into the Light
29 Bridges in the Sky
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
33 Disappear
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
42 The Root of All Evil
46 Misunderstood
48 A Fortune in Lies
52 Barstool Warrior
51 Our New World
53 At Wit's End
54 Wither
55 The Alien
56 Lifting Shadows off a Dream
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
59 Innocence Faded
61 I Walk Beside You
62 Endless Sacrifice
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
65 Wait for Sleep
66 The Bigger Picture
67 A Nightmare to Remember
68 Sleeping Giant
70 The Ministry of Lost Souls
71 Pull Me Under
72 The Dance of Eternity
75 Panic Attack
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
80 Strange Deja-Vu
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
88 The Mirror
93 Another Day
95 On the Backs of Angels
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen, These Walls, Caught in a Web, Lie, This Dying Soul, Peruvian Skies, As I Am, Erotomania, Stream of Consciousness, 6:00, Space-Dye Vest, The Spirit Carries On, Lines in the Sand, ITPoE, Finally Free, The Glass Prison
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time, Outcry, Under a Glass Moon
Hi 5 dude!
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096: Beyond This Life 72
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
091: Caught In a Web 40
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
080: Wait for Sleep 36
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
074: Sacrified Sons 9
073: 6:00 39
072: Erotomania 32
069: Innocence Faded 27
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
065: Another Day 27
064: Pull Me Under 50
063: Disappear 22
062: Peruvian Skies 18
061: Misunderstood 30
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
056: A Nightmare to Remember 6
055: Blind Faith 34
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
052: Under a Glass Moon 36
050: Wither 49
049: Lifting Shadows Off a Dream 14
048: Transcending Time 42
046: Barstool Warrior 6
045: The Root of All Evil 9
044: Ytse Jam 23
043: The Spirit Carries On 17
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
038: The Dance of Eternity 5
037: The Bigger Picture 23
036: Lines In the Sand 8
034: As I Am 9
033: At Wit's End 4
031: Endless Sacrifice 2
030: Space-Dye Vest spot on
029: Awaken the Master 52
028: Stream of Conciousness 11
027: Honor Thy Father 44
025: Lie 22
024: One Last Time 22
022: Finally Free 3
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
015: The Mirror 12
014: This Dying Soul 33
013: The Glass Prison 2
012: Bridges In the Sky 11
010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
008: Surrounded 12
007: A View From the Top of the World 42
006: In the Presence of Enemies 16
004: Illumination Theory 21 highest
not ranked: 12 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night / Overture 1928 / Strange Deja Vu / Take the Time
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16. Under A Glass Moon
Highest Finish: 3 (Dream Team, Fonzie)
Number of Lists appeared on: 63 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
15. The Glass Prison
Highest Finish: 2 (jeff_kinsley)
Number of Lists appeared on: 63 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
14. Pull Me Under
Highest Finish: 1 (WardySI)
Number of Lists appeared on: 64 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had Under A Glass Moon at #55.
A hard song for me to rank, and seeing it at my #55 makes me feel guilty. It's a great song.
I had The Glass Prison at #92.
This might be one of the worst aging songs in their catalog for me.
I had Pull Me Under at #71.
Not sure I have anything to even say about it. It is what it is, and that...pretty damn good.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 6:00 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 The Root Of All Evil Transcending Time
95 Lie Behind The Veil
94 New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Glass Prison The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 Zydar The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot As I Am
84 Misunderstood
83 The Mirror
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81
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78 Stream Of Consciousness
77 A Nightmare To Remember
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72 Beyond This Life
71 Pull Me Under
70 One Last Time
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58 Wait For Sleep
57 Illumination Theory
56 The Spirit Carries On
55 Under A Glass Moon
54 Barstool Warrior
53
52 Finally Free
51 Erotomania
50
49 Strange Deja Vu
48 Bridges In The Sky
47 Blind Faith
46
45 Overture 1928
44 Panic Attack
43 Innocence Faded
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39 A View From The Top Of The World
38 At Wits End
37 Fall Into The Light
36 In The Presence Of Enemies
35 The Gift Of Music
34 The Dance Of Eternity
33 Peruvian Skies
32 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25 Surrounded
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20 This Dying Soul
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15
14 The Best Of Times
13 Endless Sacrifice
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10 Take The Time
9
8 Lines In The Sand
7 Disappear
6
5 Space Dye Vest
4 The Killing Hand
3
2
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A whopping 4 days to catch up on (and my first Bingo line - completed the 30s)...
1. This Dying Soul
2.
3. Stream of Consciousness
4. Blind Faith
5.
6. Disappear
7. Endless Sacrifice
8.
9.
10.
11.
12. Outcry
13. Misunderstood
14. Finally Free
15. Bridges in the Sky
16.
17.
18. The Glass Prison
19. Erotomania
20. As I Am
21. The Great Debate
22. The Shattered Fortress
23. Answering The Call
24. In The Presence of Enemies
25. Lines in the Sand
26. Surrounded
27. Awaken The Master
28.
29. Pull Me Under
30. The Root of all Evil
31. Illumination Theory
32. Forsaken
33. A View From The Top Of The World
34. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
35. At Wits' End
36. Beneath The Surface
37. Innocence Faded
38. Peruvian Skies
39. Take The Time
40.
41. The Best of Times
42. On The Backs of Angels
43.
44. Beyond This Life
45. The Mirror
46. Panic Attack
47. Lie
48. Another Day
49. The Alien
50.
51. Behind the Veil
52.
53. These Walls
54.
55. The Ministry of Lost Souls
56. Sleeping Giant
57. Fall Into The Light
58. Pale Blue Dot
59.
60. Sacrificed Sons
61. Honor Thy Father
62. New Millennium
63. Overture 1928
64. Barstool Warrior
65.
66. Hell's Kitchen
67. Space-Dye Vest
68. 6:00
69. The Bigger Picture
70. The Spirit Carries On
71. Transcending Time (my lowest ranked song from View)
72.
73. I Walk Beside You
74.
75. Never Enough
76. Hollow Years (#TeamBudokan by the way)
77.
78.
79. Caught In A Web
80. Strange Deja Vu
81.
82.
83.
84.
85.
86. Surrender To Reason
87.
88. Vacant (lowest ranked song from ToT)
89. The Dance of Eternity
90.
91. One Last Time
92. The Looking Glass
93. A Fortune In Lies
94. Ytse Jam
95. Afterlife
96. Under A Glass Moon
97.
98. Constant Motion
99.
100. The Enemy Inside
Some notes:
If nostalgia had played less of a part in my ranking then Blind Faith may well have been my #1. I think everything about it is perfect. I love especially the piano interlude and Petrucci's brilliant solo towards the end.
In The Presence of Enemies is a giant and mostly glorious mess to me (kind of like the entire SC album). The very opening is spectacular. What a way to announce a new beginning, having ended the cycle of starting one album as the last one ended. I also really like how Part 2 builds up. I just feel like there's a much better 15 to 20 minute song in amongst all these notes somewhere.
I don't have the history with Images and Words that a lot of fans have, I came to that album way after I first heard the run of Scenes through Octavarium. For that reason the 3 songs included in this update never really threatened the highest spots. Under A Glass Moon in particular is a song I've never really connected with for whatever reason.
Finally Free is the kind of song the band haven't written in a good while. A real 'journey' song, with music to match the dramatic ebb and flow of the lyrics. Oh and I'm crap at guitar but that acoustic intro at the start? I can play that sucker. Made a point of learning it years back.
Does Bridges in the Sky contain the band's best chorus? Why yes, yes it does. Check out the instrumental version of the track to hear how beautiful the instrumentation of that part really is. I'm not the biggest fan of Jordan's soloing in the band but I love it when he adds atmosphere to a piece.
Illumination Theory - beautiful central section, fantastic riffs, the only thing that slightly lets this tune down a bit is the 2nd-rate Octavarium finale. The guitar solo doesn't have the soaring grandeur of The Razor's Edge. Still a fine composition though.
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FF I had at 47. Wonderful ending to an amazing album.
Strange Deja Vu came in at 39. Lots to like here, high energy, killer stuff.
TTT came in at 35. I thought maybe it should have been lower, but each time I hear it, I enjoy the fuck out of it, great song.
UAGM came in at 22. Yep, classic song, fucking incredible solo.
Glass Prison I had at number 8. I remember going to the CD and buying SDOIT and playing it for the first time hearing this song. It blew me away and still does. Heavy, high energy, just fucking rips. I love the trade off vocals in the first verse also between James and Mike.
PMU came in at 18. Same as TTT, feels like it should be lower but it rips each time.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 Disappear The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84 Stream Of Consciousness
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77 Lines in the Sand
76
75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
73 One Last Time
72 Peruvian Skies
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63 Panic Attack
62 Surrounded
61 On the Backs of Angels
60 Beyond This Life
59
58 Afterlife
57 Caught In A Web
56
55
54 The Great Debate
53 A Nightmare to Remember
52 Erotomania
51 Answering the Call
50 The Spirit Carries On
49 Space-Dye Vest
48 The Shattered Fortress
47 Finally Free
46 As I Am
45 Bridges in the Sky
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43
42 Never Enough
41 Wait For Sleep
40
39 Strange Deja Vu
38
37 The Bigger Picture
36 Outcry
35 Take the Time
34 Lie
33 The Root of All Evil
32 I Walk Beside You
31
30 A View From the Top of the World
29 Surrender to Reason
28 Barstool Warrior
27 Another Day
26 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
25 Endless Sacrifice
24 Innocence Faded
23 Misunderstood
22 Under A Glass Moon
21 In the Presence of Enemies
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18 Pull Me Under
17
16
15
14
13 These Walls
12 At Wit's End
11 The Mirror
10
9
8 The Glass Prison
7
6 Blind Faith
5 Illumination Theory
4
3
2 This Dying Soul.
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Pull Me Under: 24. It's like my wife: every time I think I have grown tired of the familiarity, I give it a spin and I remember why I fell in love. For many today it may be just an old song, for many who where there, it's the "what the amazing fock is this? Anything is possible then" song.
The Glass Prison: didn't make the cut. The beginning of a sonic trend I can't appreciate.
Under a Glass Moon: 16. Spellbinding. JP shifts gear, leaves Nuno and PG behind and reaches Satch and Vai.
The Score so far:
3 - The Spirit Carries On
4 - Lines in the Sand
5 - In the Presence of Enemies
7 - Misunderstood
9 - Space-Dye Vest
11 - Beyond This Life
14 - Stream of Consciousness
16 - Under a Glass Moon
17 - Bridges in the Sky
19 - Illumination Theory
21 - A New Beginning
23 - Disappear
24 - Pull Me Under
25 - Surrounded
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
31 - Erotomania
32 - Strange Deja-Vu
33 - Surrender to Reason
34 - Take the Time
35 - Finally Free
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
42 - Another Day
43 - One Last Time
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
54 - Peruvian Skies
55 - The Dance of Eternity
56 - The Bigger Picture
61 - Wait for Sleep
64 - Blind Faith
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
69 - Overture 1928
70 - Innocence Faded
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
76 - Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
77 - At Wit's End
78 - Lie
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
88 - The Mirror
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
91 - 6:00
92 - The Killing Hand
93 - Endless Sacrifice
95 - Barstool Warrior
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 33
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28. Lines In The Sand NR That drag of an intro and yes the backing vocals drop this down past #100.
27. The Mirror 29
26. The Spirit Carries On 50
25. Illumination Theory NR I just cannot get in to this song as an individual unit. It has some great parts, but they didn't bring it all together.
24. Beyond This Life 51
25. Bridges In The Sky 18 A great centerpiece to a great album.
22. In The Presence Of Enemies 7 I love this song, everything about it, and yes even that wankery section and the cheese lyrics.
21. Blind Faith 17 This really should be higher. I don't know why I don't listen to SDoIT:1 more often.
20. Surrounded 52 Has not aged as well as most of I&W.
19. Finally Free 6 A little surprised it was this high. Fantastic ending to a great album.
18. Strange Deja Vu 69
17. Take The Time 49
16. Under A Glass Moon 25
15. The Glass Prison 33 Loved this when I got the album, it's lost some luster over the years.
14. Pull Me Under 16 As with others, this song cracked open the door, shortly before the whole album blew the door off the hinges.
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It's like my wife: every time I think I have grown tired of the familiarity, I give it a spin and I remember why I fell in love.
:lol Outstanding!
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Even has the abrupt ending.
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Even has the abrupt ending.
Although like the misses is impressed to last 8 minutes!!
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It only just now struck me as odd that Pull Me Under finished outside the top 10. Considering it’s the band’s signature song of sorts.
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It only just now struck me as odd that Pull Me Under finished outside the top 10. Considering it’s the band’s signature song of sorts.
I'm surprised it's that high, TBH. Where did it rank last time?
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Even has the abrupt ending.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Although like the misses is impressed to last 8 minutes!!
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Strange Deja Vu #47
Take The Time #11
Under A Glass Moon #16
The Glass Prison #60
Pull Me Under #1
So going into this I wondered if I would be the only one predictable enough to have this at 1 :lol
See the thing is where I am Down Under, no big city radio or anything back then, I picked Images And Words up on a whim while motorcycling up the Australian east coast (along with the Candlebox debut and Saigon Kick's Water to name just a few, guessing a year after its release thereabouts)... Pull Me Under was my first listen of DT and it certainly comes with some nostalgic value now too. No overexposure via radio and it was quite some time before I even knew PMU had been a 'Hit'. Thankfully for me it's no more overplayed than any other DT.
So as obvious as it was, my use of the ranker put Pull Me Under at #1 and I'm more than fine with that :metal
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It only just now struck me as odd that Pull Me Under finished outside the top 10. Considering it’s the band’s signature song of sorts.
I'm surprised it's that high, TBH. Where did it rank last time?
Wow, it's 13 spots higher than last time!
Updates to each song's ranking compared to the prior countdown
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14. Pull Me Under – 27 (+13)
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The Glass Prison: didn't make the cut. The beginning of a sonic trend I can't appreciate.
Rude.
Indiscipline is a filthy boy...
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ReaperKK since #100 the countdown is revealed by three in a row each day. I remember that will change within the top, but can't remember in which way and scrolling and screening 54 pages is a little over the top. Do you deliver #13 - #11 the same time and then the top 10 with one each day... or what do you suggest?
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Pull Me Under was the first DT song I ever heard, somewhere around 2000-ish around midnight, seeing the video for it. I quite liked it. Began to investigate the band online and saw people raving over how good JP is at playing guitar. I didn’t quite catch that on first listen but I was 14 and barely had any reference.
I got Images & Words off of Kazaa or something and also quite liked it but it didn’t really stick. Until a year later or so when I got SFaM from the library. That album blew me away and was like musical crack for my brain.
Regarding PMU: I was blasting it the other day recently and the thought occurred to me that this is like DT’s Enter Sandman. That clean intro, the build up, it’s just amazingly well executed. After years of being disinterested in it because they have so many more epic tracks with amazing lengthy instrumental sections, I’m starting to really dig PMU again because it’s just “great song”.
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ReaperKK since #100 the countdown is revealed by three in a row each day. I remember that will change within the top, but can't remember in which way and scrolling and screening 54 pages is a little over the top. Do you deliver #13 - #11 the same time and then the top 10 with one each day... or what do you suggest?
I'll probably do 3 at a time until the top 5. The only reason I'm doing that way is I have some travel coming up and I would like to wrap up before then because I'm not sure I can do updates regularly on the road.
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I see... your call mate!
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Update!
13. Fatal Tragedy
Highest Finish: 3 (jeff_kinsley)
Number of Lists appeared on: 65 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Kind of surprised to see this song so high. It's a good song, always like it when it comes up in a playlist but never really put it on.
12. Scarred
Highest Finish: 1 (Ben_Jamin)
Number of Lists appeared on: 61 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, NoFred, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I don't know why but it has been years since the last time I heard this song. I listened to it again for the countdown and I enjoyed it. I thought this song was more divisive on the forum and would place lower but I guess not.
11. In The Name Of God
Highest Finish: 1 (NoFred)
Number of Lists appeared on: 64 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Another banger off ToT. Great closer to a great album with an amazing solo section.
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Fatal Tragedy- #16 on my list. Great, great song with a killer instrumental section. That unison is a favorite if I'm out for a run and need to pick up the pace.
Scarred- I had this up at #8, it just edges out another song I expect to see soon on this countdown for my favorite piece from Awake. Some cool lyrics, great moments from every instrument, and JLB is in full on God mode (as he is for most of Awake).
In the Name of God- Just missed nailing this one, #12 for me. So much to like about this song, man do they let it rip in the latter half. I also love both the studio Battle Hymn and live bonus guitar solo outros.
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13. Fatal Tragedy
Another masterpiece in their masterpiece album. Love the theatricality of it. Absolutely fantastic. For me it was 12th.
12. Scarred
This is even better! once again I have to be repetitive, there are only so many adjectives I can dance around with :D this song is 1001% Dream Theater and has fantastic melodies, it's amazing from the beginning to the end. I love everything - the heavy verses, the contrast with the more melodic break / bridge, chorus is nice, and the mellow section that starts with the "Do you feel you don't know me anymore" is a glorious and fantastic crescendo of emotions and intensity. "And how come you don't understand me, and how come I don't understand you?", yes, yes, yes, and then "People in prayer for me, everyone there for me", even better, when does this song stops to be so kickass so I can take a breather from all these emotions? :lol
Really, I do hope they put such a big attention on the melodies on their next album. A song worth of this track that I placed 8th, 4 positions above, pity it didn't make the top ten.
11. In The Name Of God
I'm gonna calm down a bit with this one, it falls into the "yes, of course it's a fantastic song, but it's not that I'm completely obsessed over it" category for me. I won't complain about anything in the song but with such a tough competition, it did not go past the 44th position, 33 places lower. I guess it could have been place several spots higher however.
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I get it, tastes and all, but some of the songs that have been left out of some lists has be scratching my head
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Three songs in my Top 10 today
Fatal Tragedy ... 10. Perfect song. My highest rated from SFAM. Top 3 instrumental sections in DTs catalogue
Scarred... I thought I might have a chance of being the highest ranker at #3, but alas, Ben beat me to it. Flawless. MM said just what I would have said. I think it rates this high because those that love it, REALLY love it; those that don't, it's still a really good song.
In The Name Of God ... #5. So much to love about this, only enhanced by the L@B version. Heavy riffs, killer instrumental section, amazing unisons, and great delivery by James. The band fires on all cylinders from start to finish.
I'm going to gather that every song left in the top 10 will invariably have at least one person that rates it as their #1 song
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Only the epics and Surrounded, that's all that's better than Scarred I believe. Surrounded is my most-listen-to Dream Theater track, but Scarred is my #2. Unbelievable beautiful and only a tribute to Ben_Jamin to rank this one at #1. Which doesn't surprise me at all... the reflection questions from 5.50 are probably the most emotional moments from the whole Awake album. Never from that moment on 'till #15 they reach the vunerable momentum as here...
096: Beyond This Life 72
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
091: Caught In a Web 40
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
080: Wait for Sleep 36
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
074: Sacrified Sons 9
073: 6:00 39
072: Erotomania 32
069: Innocence Faded 27
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
066: Fatal Tragedy 53
065: Another Day 27
064: Pull Me Under 50
063: Disappear 22
062: Peruvian Skies 18
061: Misunderstood 30
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
056: A Nightmare to Remember 6
055: Blind Faith 34
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
052: Under a Glass Moon 36
050: Wither 49
049: Lifting Shadows Off a Dream 14
048: Transcending Time 42
046: Barstool Warrior 6
045: The Root of All Evil 9
044: Ytse Jam 23
043: The Spirit Carries On 17
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
038: The Dance of Eternity 5
037: The Bigger Picture 23
036: Lines In the Sand 8
034: As I Am 9
033: At Wit's End 4
031: Endless Sacrifice 2
030: Space-Dye Vest spot on
029: Awaken the Master 52
028: Stream of Conciousness 11
027: Honor Thy Father 44
025: Lie 22
024: One Last Time 22
023: In the Name of God 12
022: Finally Free 3
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
015: The Mirror 12
014: This Dying Soul 33
013: The Glass Prison 2
012: Bridges In the Sky 11
010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
009: Scarred 3
008: Surrounded 12
007: A View From the Top of the World 42
006: In the Presence of Enemies 16
004: Illumination Theory 21 highest
not ranked: 12 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night / Overture 1928 / Strange Deja Vu / Take the Time
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13. Fatal Tragedy I had this only at 38, probably because of the concept album thing and the whole being stronger than its pieces
12. Scarred Definitely a Top10 for me, I had it at 9
11. In The Name Of God Definitely a Top10 for me, I had it at 7
Seven left from my personal Top10 as we go into the consensus Top10
and MM is now the official abbrevation for MirrorMask?
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Fatal - 69
Scarred - 5
God - 35
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The Glass Prison- The first entry from my top 5, this was my #4 song. While it's not my #1, this song will always have a *very* special place in my heart. It's not an exaggeration to say that The Glass Prison changed my life in meaningful ways. Flash back to the summer of 2003. I'm just finished with my sophomore year of high school, and after not getting into music until I was 13-14, I am now big into music and hard rock/heavy metal in particular. Metallica is my favorite band and I spend time on the forums that are part of Metallica's official website. I'm browsing a thread about "recommend other bands that Metallica fans should check out". Plenty of posts about plenty of bands in there, but a post someone made about how if you love Metallica and heavy metal you need to hear this song The Glass Prison by a band called Dream Theater piqued my interest in particular. So one Saturday morning I take a trip to my local Sam Goody (RIP) and buy Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. I take it with me to work and pop it into my CD player on my lunch break and hit play. I can still remember exactly where I was sitting and the feeling of musical epiphany that kicked in along with the double bass drums and carried me through those brain-melting arpeggios. This was the apex of heavy metal to my ears. Now, it wasn't an immediate love affair with DT from that moment on. I did not love or even like prog at that time, I wanted everything to be as :metal as The Glass Prison and I was initially disappointed by everything that wasn't. I stuck with them though, chasing that high from hearing TGP, and a little bit later Scenes From a Memory absolutely highjacked my brain for about three months straight and the rest was history. I moved over from the Metallica forums to these forums, hosted at the time on DT's official site, and over 20 years later I'm still here and I've forged so many important friendships and relationships out of this community that transcend "music friend" or "forum buddy". Not to mention, so much of what I listen to even now is either music directly connected in one way or another to DT or music that I got turned on to by spending time in this place. It's wild to think how different my life would've been if some rando on the Metallica forums hadn't plugged The Glass Prison back in 2003.
Great story! :tup I only found out about DT because of my wife and I going to see Queensryche. We've made friends and met the band multiple times due to 'chance'.
13. Fatal Tragedy (#30) first appearance of Brian May in a guitar solo 😉
12. Scarred (#54)
11. In The Name Of God (#41)
65/90 ****
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Through My Words/Fatal Tragedy (my #19) are really just one (amazing) song, my second fave from Scenes.
Scarred (my #80) is a bit disjointed, but still a great song. Its intro is one of my fave moments in DT catalog.
In The Name of God (my #11) is the best song from ToT. All the feel of the song is so coherent with its theme, with great riffs. That solo section is one of the most creative and iconic moments in DT catalog. And the ending is really beaufiful and epic!
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Scarred was my number 2. It’s always been at the top for me.
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11. In The Name Of God
Highest Finish: 1 (NoFred)
It’s like they set out to write a midtempo metal plodder but couldn’t help themselves from infusing it with their own end of album epicness. Also my favorite example of the one thing they do better than anybody - effortlessly transitioning into and out of the crazy solo section. A seamless song that just keeps building.
Also love the subtle different inflections by JLB on the repeated chorus, gives the studio version a real immediacy, like the whole thing is done in one take.
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Fatal Tragedy I’m not so fond of the verses, but the chorus is great and the instrumental parts are fun.
Scarred is one of DT’s most epic songs. The intro is outstanding. So much atmosphere. The first half of the song can maybe get a bit too melodramatic at times, but the second half of the song is absolutely peak DT (from “Do you feel…” onward). That buildup, and the keyboard and guitar solos are perfection. Really great outro with the string keys too. Just a great song that I kind of remember not doing so well last time? I could be wrong.
In The Name of God is one of the better songs on ToT. Still not something I’d listen to very often, but it has a nice atmosphere and some crazy solos that are a bit over the top but cool in that respect.
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13. Fatal Tragedy 13 The first song I nailed on the ranking...
12. Scarred 12 and I got the next one too!
11. In The Name Of God (48) A fantastic song till the noodling kicks in. Fantastic way to end the Budokan video.
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Oh my what an incredible batch of songs. I remember BlobVanDam calling Scarred the duck-billed platypus of DT songs but it works despite some awkward transitions. I would probably like it even more if it continued in the style of the first minute or so; and actually I thought the Ranker would have it higher. Those other 2 songs have some of the very best instrumental sections in the catalog.
3 Under a Glass Moon
5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
7 In the Name of God
9 The Great Debate
11 Outcry
12 Overture 1928
14 Blind Faith
15 Fatal Tragedy
16 One Last Time
18 Illumination Theory
19 Beyond This Life
20 Lost Not Forgotten
21 Surrounded
22 A View From the Top of the World
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
27 Take the Time
28 Fall Into the Light
29 Bridges in the Sky
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
32 Scarred
33 Disappear
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
42 The Root of All Evil
46 Misunderstood
48 A Fortune in Lies
51 Barstool Warrior
52 Our New World
53 At Wit's End
54 Wither
55 The Alien
56 Lifting Shadows off a Dream
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
59 Innocence Faded
61 I Walk Beside You
62 Endless Sacrifice
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
65 Wait for Sleep
66 The Bigger Picture
67 A Nightmare to Remember
68 Sleeping Giant
70 The Ministry of Lost Souls
71 Pull Me Under
72 The Dance of Eternity
75 Panic Attack
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
80 Strange Deja-Vu
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
88 The Mirror
93 Another Day
95 On the Backs of Angels
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen, These Walls, Caught in a Web, Lie, This Dying Soul, Peruvian Skies, As I Am, Erotomania, Stream of Consciousness, 6:00, Space-Dye Vest, The Spirit Carries On, Lines in the Sand, ITPoE, Finally Free, The Glass Prison
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time, Outcry, Under a Glass Moon
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I get it, tastes and all, but some of the songs that have been left out of some lists has be scratching my head
Such as?
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I get it, tastes and all, but some of the songs that have been left out of some lists has be scratching my head
Did you forget that Stadler exists? :biggrin:
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25. Illumination Theory (91st) DREAM THEATER, IF YOU'RE READING THIS, DO MORE STUFF IN THE VEIN OF THE LAST FEW MINUTES OF THIS SONG. SO GOOD.
24. Beyond This Life (88th) I'm a SFAM hater, what can I say? It's an okay song though.
23. Bridges In The Sky (8th) This song could be top 5 but the intro is too long, it's otherwise a stellar song. When JLB sings "crossing bridges in the sky", it's so good.
22. In The Presence Of Enemies (28th) Cool epic on a weird album. I don't like the Dark Master part. Everything else is good. Odd song for DT, though.
21. Blind Faith (42nd) Easily the worst track of SDOIT but still just fine.
20. Surrounded (25th) What a lovely song. Just, so bouncy but then a bit serious. DT does this style of song nicely.
19. Finally Free (76th) SFAM, yeah....
18. Strange Deja Vu (89th) Lol. The "uncanny strange deja vu" does pop into my mind at times.
17. Take The Time (19th) The energy in this song is really vibrant. JLB is having fun and the music is good.
16. Under A Glass Moon (67th) It's a fine song, with a cool intro. It's always been the weakest or second weakest track on IaW to me, though.
15. The Glass Prison (3rd) This is 15th and I am shocked. I know some of the songs remaining, but I thought this was one of the most favored songs. Interesting. Anyway, this song is just pure gas for a long time.
14. Pull Me Under (77th) This and UAGM are fine songs, but they can swap being the worst or 2nd worst on the album, but they have stiff competition. Also surprised this is so high, is it because it's their most famous song?
13. Fatal Tragedy (90th) What a canyon between my ranking and the consensus. Yeah, it's a SFAM song, for some reason that album doesn't gel with me.
12. Scarred (69th) It's a fine song, but I often forget how it even sounds when I see it talked about.
11. In The Name Of God (13th) Hell yeah. I avoided this song for a while when this album was the new stuff, IDK why, I just was loving the rest of the album and this was the last song. It is pretty much flawless. I love the choir at the end, subtle enough to enjoy (and JLB's screaming as well).
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DT used to have some really great moody, atmospheric intros like on Scarred, Pull Me Under, or Trial of Tears (or The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun even). I feel like they haven't really done that on the same level since FII.
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Fatal Tragedy placed 25 for me. A wonderful song, beautiful begining and nice buildup to a cool istrumental section.
Scarred took the 24th spot. Love the beginning with the bass and then it gets going.... What if the rest of the world.... so good.
In the Name of God was not ranked. This might have been a victim of me not listening while ranking. But listening to it now I can't see it higher than 70 or so.
My ranking so far
5 Take the Time (17)
6 Another Day (38)
7 Space-Dye Vest (30)
8 One Last Time (46)
11 The Dance of Eternity (33)
12 The Spirit Carries On (26)
13 Surrounded (20)
16 Pull Me Under (14)
17 The Mirror (27)
18 Finally Free (19)
19 The Silent Man (66)
20 Illumination Theory (25)
22 6:00 (34)
21 Caught In a Web (51)
24 Scarred (12)
25 Fatal Tragedy (13)
27 Wait For Sleep (44t)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
35 Beyond This Life (24)
36 Strange Deja Vu (18)
37 Our New World (93)
38 Innocence Faded (42)
40 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (35)
41 A View from the Top of the World (49t)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
46 Under a Glass Moon (16)
47 Lie (47t)
48 Erotomania (40)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
63 Bridges In the Sky (23)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
61 At Wit's End ( 37)
62 Stream of Consciousness (39)
73 As I Am (43)
74 The Root of All Evil(36)
75 The Alien (69)
77 A Nightmare To Remember (49t)
78 Misunderstood (31)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
86 Peruvian Skies (44t)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
90 The Glass Prison (15)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
96 Endless Sacrifice (29)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Highest ranker of
8 One Last Time (46)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52), This Dying Soul (47t), Disappear (41), Overture 1928 (32), Lines In The Sand (28), In the Presence of Enemies (22), Blind Faith (21), In the Name of God (11)
Rated: 54
Not rated: 33
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Guess it's time to get caught up on this
100. Never Enough Not ranked
99. Wither 77
98. The Gift Of Music Not ranked
97. Vacant Not ranked
96. Afterlife 32
95. Forsaken Not ranked
94. S2N 52
93. Our New World 80
92. The Looking Glass 83
91. A New Beginning 100
90. Transcending Time 33
89. Behind The Veil 86
88. This Is The Life Not ranked
87. New Millennium Not ranked
86. Constant Motion 78
85. Sleeping Giant 91
83t. The Enemy Inside 89
83t. Surrender To Reason 60
82. Only A Matter Of Time Not ranked
81. Awaken The Master 12
80. I Walk Beside You Not ranked
79. The Shattered Fortress 45
78. A Fortune In Lies 94
77. The Best Of Times 75
76. The Live Forever 24
75. Answering The Call 74
74. Through Her Eyes Not ranked
73. Lost Not Forgotten 95
72. Fall Into The Light 51
71. Honor Thy Father Not ranked
70. The Dark Eternal Night 15
69. The Alien 43
68. The Killing Hand 81
67. Ytse Jam 58
66. The Silent Man 66
65. Raise The Knife 65
64. Beneath The Surface Not ranked
63. Sacrificed Sons 30
62. Pale Blue Dot 31
61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls 76
60. The Bigger Picture 41
59. Hollow Years Not ranked
58. Outcry 54
57. Hell's Kitchen 69
56. On The Backs Of Angels 27
55. Panic Attack 98
54. These Walls 59
53. The Great Debate 85
52. Barstool Warrior 35
51. Caught In A Web 73
50. A Nightmare To Remember 22
49. A View From The Top Of The World 53
47t. Lie 55
47t. This Dying Soul 34
46. One Last Time Not ranked
44t. Peruvian Skies 61
44t. Wait For Sleep 56
43. As I Am 71
42. Innocence Faded 29
41. Disappear 62
40. Erotomania 25
39. Stream Of Consciousness Not ranked
38. Another Day 42
37. At Wit's End 37
36. The Root Of All Evil 39
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream 21
34. 6:00 67
33. The Dance Of Eternity 63
32. Overture 1928 64
31. Misunderstood 50
30. Space-Dye Vest 48
29. Endless Sacrifice 97
28. Lines In The Sand 14
27. The Mirror 44
26. The Spirit Carries On 23
25. Illumination Theory 49
24. Beyond This Life 10
23. Bridges In The Sky 36
22. In The Presence Of Enemies 40
21. Blind Faith 20
20. Surrounded 9
19. Finally Free 11
18. Strange Deja Vu 46
17. Take The Time 8
16. Under A Glass Moon 19
15. The Glass Prison 6
14. Pull Me Under 57
13. Fatal Tragedy 28
12. Scarred 38
11. In The Name Of God 16
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Also, Scarred gets the explicit tag on Amazon Music? Because it has the word rape? All I can think of.
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Fatal tragedy was my #11. I almost nailed it. It's a great piece of a concept album that sort of works on its own. I love LaBrie's vocals when he gets to the part "I tried to get more answers..." Also, that unison at the end is classic.
Scarred was my #5. I know it's divisive, but to me, it's dark, surreal and powerful. Such a unique epic in their discography. Also, quite a difficult song to get into.
In the name of God was my #72. I don't necessarily love it. That chorus is overly dramatic, and the entire outro is a bit much. It's brilliant in the middle, though, the instrumental section is particularly amazing.
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13. Fatal Tragedy
Highest Finish: 3 (jeff_kinsley)
Number of Lists appeared on: 65 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
12. Scarred
Highest Finish: 1 (Ben_Jamin)
Number of Lists appeared on: 61 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, NoFred, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
11. In The Name Of God
Highest Finish: 1 (NoFred)
Number of Lists appeared on: 64 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had Fatal Tragedy at #15.
This never ceases to not blow me away. That instrumental section is amazing.
I had Scarred at #3.
Top 3 DT song here. It took me a couple of listens to follow it, but it's been a favorite ever since. Such a great and moving outro.
I had In The Name Of God at #50.
It made my Top 50! I missed the ToT tour, so seeing it in 2009 was a highlight for me.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 6:00 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 The Root Of All Evil Transcending Time
95 Lie Behind The Veil
94 New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Glass Prison The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 Zydar The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot As I Am
84 Misunderstood
83 The Mirror
82
81
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78 Stream Of Consciousness
77 A Nightmare To Remember
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72 Beyond This Life
71 Pull Me Under
70 One Last Time
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58 Wait For Sleep
57 Illumination Theory
56 The Spirit Carries On
55 Under A Glass Moon
54 Barstool Warrior
53
52 Finally Free
51 Erotomania
50 In The Name Of God
49 Strange Deja Vu
48 Bridges In The Sky
47 Blind Faith
46
45 Overture 1928
44 Panic Attack
43 Innocence Faded
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39 A View From The Top Of The World
38 At Wits End
37 Fall Into The Light
36 In The Presence Of Enemies
35 The Gift Of Music
34 The Dance Of Eternity
33 Peruvian Skies
32 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25 Surrounded
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20 This Dying Soul
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15 Fatal Tragedy
14 The Best Of Times
13 Endless Sacrifice
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10 Take The Time
9
8 Lines In The Sand
7 Disappear
6
5 Space Dye Vest
4 The Killing Hand
3 Scarred
2
1
72-18
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Tonight, I've listened to Octavarium, A Change of Seasons and now The Count of Tuscany, on headphones while enjoying a glass of red. All three are wonderful songs while being very different to each other. I ranked all three highly but one of them should have been my number one. Oh, well. There's always next time.
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Tonight, I've listened to Octavarium, A Change of Seasons and now The Count of Tuscany, on headphones while enjoying a glass of red. All three are wonderful songs while being very different to each other. I ranked all three highly but one of them should have been my number one. Oh, well. There's always next time.
Couldn't agree more with you on this. You took a ride in my locomotive of the 100-train.
But I also really really like TAC's top 5 this far and am very interested to see his #2 and #1.
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Tonight, I've listened to Octavarium, A Change of Seasons and now The Count of Tuscany, on headphones while enjoying a glass of red. All three are wonderful songs while being very different to each other. I ranked all three highly but one of them should have been my number one. Oh, well. There's always next time.
Couldn't agree more with you on this. You took a ride in my locomotive of the 100-train.
But I also really really like TAC's top 5 this far and am very interested to see his #2 and #1.
Thank you!
They are two glorious selections! ;D
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Thank you!
They are two glorious selections! ;D
I bet you're right. And since your #1's not even listed in the forums list, I will give it some serious time when it's revealed. 'Cause if it is your best of all, it must be worth the time.
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I've got six songs in the top 10. And the four that didn't make it, are in the top 20 anyway, with the exception of my #4, The Mirror.
In the span of four placements - actually five - , from 36 to 40 (with an intruder), we can find both my highest ranking non-qualified songs (36 and 40) and my lowest ranking songs that will be in the top 10 (with one possibly top 5), 37 and 39.
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13. Fatal Tragedy (22nd) The highest-ranking SFAM track in my list! Fantastic. The pinnacle of the album, to me.
12. Scarred (78th) For as much as I love Awake, this isn't one of my favorites, but I still dig it a bunch. I've since learned that it was the first one written for the album (as in the case of many of the band's longer songs, like In the name of Ged [anyone remember that?] and maybe Home if I remember correctly), so they were kind of finding the groove of the rest of the album, I think. Nothing wrong with it by any means.
11. In The Name Of God (9th) Like Jamesman42 said, flawless. Schmedley Wilcox was WORTH IT in my book if it meant getting that cool-ass middle part in the show. Only recently did I hear the Battle Hymn of the Republic part more clearly with decent headphones, that was a huge treat.
Excited for the final 10! I can already say 8 of my personal top 10 made the list so far – out of the remaining two, one will definitely make the list and the other will definitely not. Fun stuff!
EDIT: Just did the math and I think I figured out the songs that make up the top 10 :lol I won't post my findings, but it was funny to look at all the notable absences and arrive squarely at a likely top 10. At this point it feels like an easy enough deduction, but I wonder if I'm right or if there are still some surprises to come (I'd say I'm 99% confident though :lol). We do like our +9min songs over here at DTF, don't we?
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6. Illumination Theory (-2)
7. Disappear (+1)
8. Blind Faith (+5)
9. The Glass Prison (+0) - Hasn't changed since my last ranking, but this time around it has been promoted to what I consider the top tier of Dream Theater songs instead of being at the very top of the second tier.
10. The Best of Times (-7)
11. In the Presence of Enemies[/b] (+3)
12. A Nightmare to Remember (-1)
13. Erotomania (-1)
14. Space-Dye Vest (+5)
15. Misunderstood (+1)
16. Finally Free (-6)
17. This Dying Soul (+10)
18. The Shattered Fortress (+6)
21. The Ministry of Lost Souls (-4)
22. The Spirit Carries On (-7)
23. The Silent Man (+0)
24. The Dark Eternal Night (+9)
25. Beyond This Life (+3)
27. In the Name of God (+8)
29. Lines in the Sand (+16)
30. Hell's Kitchen (-8)
32. A View From the Top of the World
33. Surrounded (-12)
34. Outcry (+36)
35. Constant Motion (+29)
36. Fatal Tragedy (+15)
37. A New Beginning (-7)
38. The Great Debate (+0)
39. Pale Blue Dot (-8)
40. Sleeping Giant
41. Endless Sacrifice (+21)
42. The Root of All Evil (-10)
46. Fall Into The Light (-10)
47. Barstool Warrior (-13)
48. The Bigger Picture (+0)
49. The Mirror (+9)
51. Ytse Jam (+4)
52. These Walls (+31)
56. Bridges in the Sky (-10)
58. S2N (+1)
59. The Enemy Inside (-10)
61. Awaken the Master
63. The Gift of Music (-2)
64. As I Am (+16)
65. Strange Deja Vu (+13)
66. Stream of Consciousness (-16)
67. Panic Attack (-15)
68. On the Backs of Angels (+20)
69. 6:00 (+24)
70. Another Day (-27)
71. Transcending Time
73. At Wit's End (-7)
75. Pull Me Under (-1)
77. Hollow Years (-2)
78. The Killing Hand (-37)
80. Wait For Sleep (-23)
83. The Dance of Eternity (+12)
84. This is the Life (-12)
87. A Fortune in Lies (+18)
88. I Walk Beside You (+31)
89. Never Enough (-18)
90. Wither (-4)
93. Vacant (+4)
94. Through Her Eyes (-13)
97. Innocence Faded (-8)
98. Lie (+19)
100. Our New World (+3)
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105. Answering the Call
109. The Alien
112. Beneath the Surface (-2)
113. Under A Glass Moon (+10)
116. Caught in a Web (+14)
122. Lost Not Forgotten (-9)
123. Behind the Veil (-2)
124. Peruvian Skies (+2)
126. Take the Time (+10) - I think I finally get this song. The samples are kind of weird, but other than that there's a lot of cool stuff here that I never seemed to notice until recently. There's a lot of better Dream Theater songs out there, but the next time we do one of these, Take the Time might make my Top 100.
130. The Looking Glass (+1)
131. Forsaken (-4)
137. Sacrificed Sons (-15)
139. Only a Matter of Time (-10)
141. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream (-25)
142. Afterlife (-7)
143. One Last Time (-4)
145. Scarred (-17) - I've never been a huge fan of Scarred or anything, but this seems way too low of a ranking. Probably a mistake on my part.
147. Surrender to Reason (-10)
148. New Millennium (-8)
149. Honor Thy Father (-7)
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Unranked: To Live Forever, Raise the Knife
I'm pretty sure at this point, my whole Top 20 will make the countdown. Could've been my Top 40, but there's no way my #28 makes the top ten.
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EDIT: Just did the math and I think I figured out the songs that make up the top 10 :lol I won't post my findings, but it was funny to look at all the notable absences and arrive squarely at a likely top 10. At this point it feels like an easy enough deduction, but I wonder if I'm right or if there are still some surprises to come (I'd say I'm 99% confident though :lol). We do like our +9min songs over here at DTF, don't we?
9/10 I am absolutely positive about, but it's that 10th one I can't get my finger 'round for sure...
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Shame on me for the one I couldn't get my finger 'round.
The 10 remaining songs are mine #47 / #26 / #21 / #20 / #19 / #11 / #5 / #3 / #2 and #1. I am really curious how it will unfold.
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Fatal Tragedy: 26. The SFAM showcase song.
Scarred: 2. And it's only number 2 because number 1 is THE perfect song.
In the Name of God: 50. Love every section, and every section needs a bit of editing.
The Score so far:
2 - Scarred
3 - The Spirit Carries On
4 - Lines in the Sand
5 - In the Presence of Enemies
7 - Misunderstood
9 - Space-Dye Vest
11 - Beyond This Life
14 - Stream of Consciousness
16 - Under a Glass Moon
17 - Bridges in the Sky
19 - Illumination Theory
21 - A New Beginning
23 - Disappear
24 - Pull Me Under
25 - Surrounded
26 - Fatal Tragedy
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
31 - Erotomania
32 - Strange Deja-Vu
33 - Surrender to Reason
34 - Take the Time
35 - Finally Free
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
42 - Another Day
43 - One Last Time
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
50 - In the Name of God
54 - Peruvian Skies
55 - The Dance of Eternity
56 - The Bigger Picture
61 - Wait for Sleep
64 - Blind Faith
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
69 - Overture 1928
70 - Innocence Faded
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
76 - Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
77 - At Wit's End
78 - Lie
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
88 - The Mirror
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
91 - 6:00
92 - The Killing Hand
93 - Endless Sacrifice
95 - Barstool Warrior
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 33
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EDIT: Just did the math and I think I figured out the songs that make up the top 10 :lol I won't post my findings, but it was funny to look at all the notable absences and arrive squarely at a likely top 10. At this point it feels like an easy enough deduction, but I wonder if I'm right or if there are still some surprises to come (I'd say I'm 99% confident though :lol). We do like our +9min songs over here at DTF, don't we?
9/10 I am absolutely positive about, but it's that 10th one I can't get my finger 'round for sure...
It's like this, in nuggetz form: 0, 2, 1, (1), 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1.
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EDIT: Just did the math and I think I figured out the songs that make up the top 10 :lol I won't post my findings, but it was funny to look at all the notable absences and arrive squarely at a likely top 10. At this point it feels like an easy enough deduction, but I wonder if I'm right or if there are still some surprises to come (I'd say I'm 99% confident though :lol). We do like our +9min songs over here at DTF, don't we?
9/10 I am absolutely positive about, but it's that 10th one I can't get my finger 'round for sure...
It's like this, in nuggetz form: 0, 2, 1, (1), 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1.
You missed a 0 in there. And technically, four 0s at the end ;)
Should be 0, 2, 1, (1), 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0.
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My bad, I fell off my train of thought :D
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I just figured out the top 10, didn't realize the first "1" in that list had a consensus top 10 song, but I could see why now.
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There's one song in the Top 10 that I didn't rank.
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Felt like only doing two today :)
10. The Count Of Tuscany
Highest Finish: 2 (CanuckChum, geeeemo, Jim-Xtreme)
Number of Lists appeared on: 64 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Happy to see this song placed as high as it did. I'm also incredibly happy to have seen this song live twice.
09. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
Highest Finish: 1 (bosk1, Lethean, OpenYourEyes311, Podaar, SwedishGoose)
Number of Lists appeared on: 60 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I'm honestly surprised to see the song break the top 10. I knew it would be high but not this high. Personally I never listen to this song or any parts of it. It's not bad but I don't connect with it.
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10. The Count Of Tuscany
Highest Finish: 2 (CanuckChum, geeeemo, Jim-Xtreme)
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09. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
Highest Finish: 1 (bosk1, Lethean, OpenYourEyes311, Podaar, SwedishGoose)
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I had The Count Of Tuscany at #6.
This song keeps climbing over time. Just a tremendous piece of music. And it's middle section actually has something to do with the actual song. James kills on the outro. Amazing!
I had Six Degrees On Inner Turbulence as Not Rated.
Seriously, it's 40 minutes of...nothing. If it was broken up into individual tracks, the only thing I would've rated would've been Solitary Shell, probably at around #55-#60ish.
I wish they had made this Disc 1 when they released 6 D's. I think it pales to actual Disc 1.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 6:00 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 The Root Of All Evil Transcending Time
95 Lie Behind The Veil
94 New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Glass Prison The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 Zydar The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot As I Am
84 Misunderstood
83 The Mirror
82 Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
81
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78 Stream Of Consciousness
77 A Nightmare To Remember
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72 Beyond This Life
71 Pull Me Under
70 One Last Time
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58 Wait For Sleep
57 Illumination Theory
56 The Spirit Carries On
55 Under A Glass Moon
54 Barstool Warrior
53
52 Finally Free
51 Erotomania
50 In The Name Of God
49 Strange Deja Vu
48 Bridges In The Sky
47 Blind Faith
46
45 Overture 1928
44 Panic Attack
43 Innocence Faded
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39 A View From The Top Of The World
38 At Wits End
37 Fall Into The Light
36 In The Presence Of Enemies
35 The Gift Of Music
34 The Dance Of Eternity
33 Peruvian Skies
32 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25 Surrounded
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20 This Dying Soul
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15 Fatal Tragedy
14 The Best Of Times
13 Endless Sacrifice
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10 Take The Time
9
8 Lines In The Sand
7 Disappear
6 The Count Of Tuscany
5 Space Dye Vest
4 The Killing Hand
3 Scarred
2
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I completely agree with you Tim about SDOIT. I'm also bummed it was the song for Score. I get why it happened but most of SDOIT was on L@B.
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The Count Of Tuscany - 67
I maybe should have had this a bit higher, but I've never been too overly crazy about this song.
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence - 10
Ah here we go. The big song, with lots of awesomeness throughout. About To Crash and Solitary Shell are my favourites here, but the whole thing is just great. Goodnight Kiss is beautiful too.
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We're in the endgame now.
The Count of Tuscany- My #19. Yes, the lyrics are cheesy af. No, that doesn't change the fact that a lot of the music is really cool. As much as I'm down on the last couple of albums from the first Portnoy era, they certainly ended it on a high note.
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence- I had this back at #49. It's good, it's got some great moments, but I don't think it's great overall. I also don't usually think of it as one song. I know that's what the band says it is and so that's what it is, but it feels structured way more like a suite of distinct songs in my personal opinion.
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And here we have it, my number 1.
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence was my highest ranked song. The overture sets the stage perfectly for epic into the mind. The suite contains a bit of everything Dream Theater is about in my view. At parts beautiful and moving at parts hard and heavy at parts epic and theatrical. So many great parts in this.... some favorites Solitary Shell, War Inside My Head, The Test That Stumped Them All and of course the goosebump inducing Goodnight Kiss and then finishing on Losing Time, Grand Finale.... I love every minute of it. Dream Theater at their best.
The Count of Tuscany ended up at 56th place. It's not a bad song but in this case it would have climbed a bit with better lyrics. Musically I like it a lot but lyrically I cringe each time unfortunately.
My ranking so far
1 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9)
5 Take the Time (17)
6 Another Day (38)
7 Space-Dye Vest (30)
8 One Last Time (46)
11 The Dance of Eternity (33)
12 The Spirit Carries On (26)
13 Surrounded (20)
16 Pull Me Under (14)
17 The Mirror (27)
18 Finally Free (19)
19 The Silent Man (66)
20 Illumination Theory (25)
21 Caught In a Web (51)
22 6:00 (34)
24 Scarred (12)
25 Fatal Tragedy (13)
27 Wait For Sleep (44t)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
35 Beyond This Life (24)
36 Strange Deja Vu (18)
37 Our New World (93)
38 Innocence Faded (42)
40 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (35)
41 A View from the Top of the World (49t)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
46 Under a Glass Moon (16)
47 Lie (47t)
48 Erotomania (40)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
56 The Count of Tuscany (10)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
63 Bridges In the Sky (23)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
61 At Wit's End ( 37)
62 Stream of Consciousness (39)
73 As I Am (43)
74 The Root of All Evil(36)
75 The Alien (69)
77 A Nightmare To Remember (49t)
78 Misunderstood (31)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
86 Peruvian Skies (44t)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
90 The Glass Prison (15)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
96 Endless Sacrifice (29)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Highest ranker of
8 One Last Time (46), 1 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52), This Dying Soul (47t), Disappear (41), Overture 1928 (32), Lines In The Sand (28), In the Presence of Enemies (22), Blind Faith (21), In the Name of God (11)
Rated: 56
Not rated: 33
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The Count of Tuscany was my #27. Despite its silly lyrics, musically it's just breathtaking. I also had the privilege to see it live a couple of times.
Six degrees of inner turbulence was my #51. The reason it didn't rank higher probably lies in the fact that I hardly ever listen to the studio version. The Score performance is where it's at. I'm not a fan of the Overture, and some of the bits are better than others, but overall, it's still great.
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6 DOIT. 57. And that’s generous really. Rarely listen to it, and when I do a lot of it is a slog. The overture is disney cheese, and completely lacks the excitement that O2928 generates.
The Count. My number 4.
Just. Brilliant. My favourite JLB performance.
Distinguished accent, sucking on a pipe! It’s fucking brilliant!
4/5 of my top 5 have now gone.
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The Count of Tuscany is without a doubt one of their most beautiful songs, where the lyrics warps back on an actual encounter Petrucci had in Tuscany. Not topnotch, but the melody is so good, it doesn't matter at all. I really think LaBrie's outro is wunderful and among his very best performances. I saw it twice here in the Netherlands... and both time - next to The Ministry - is was the most goose-bumping moment of the whole evening. Also the Daily Doug did his very best reactionvideo on The Count, he definitely drilled a new depth for me on this epic.
Since we know who claim the remaining spots, I completed the list with those doesn't ranked...
100: Untethered Angel
099: Anna Lee
098: A Savior In the Square
097: Invisible Monster
096: Beyond This Life 72
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
092: The Great Debate 39
091: Caught In a Web 40
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
081: Repentance
080: Wait for Sleep 36
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
075: Ravenskill
074: Sacrified Sons 9
073: 6:00 39
072: Erotomania 32
071: Prophets of War
070: These Walls 16
069: Innocence Faded 27
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
066: Fatal Tragedy 53
065: Another Day 27
064: Pull Me Under 50
063: Disappear 22
062: Peruvian Skies 18
061: Misunderstood 30
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
058: Status Seeker
057: A Rite of Passage
056: A Nightmare to Remember 6
055: Blind Faith 34
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
052: Under a Glass Moon 36
051: Panic Attack 5
050: Wither 49
049: Lifting Shadows Off a Dream 14
048: Transcending Time 42
047:
046: Barstool Warrior 6
045: The Root of All Evil 9
044: Ytse Jam 23
043: The Spirit Carries On 17
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
039: Another Hand - The Killing Hand
038: The Dance of Eternity 5
037: The Bigger Picture 23
036: Lines In the Sand 8
035: Bombay Vindaloo
034: As I Am 9
033: At Wit's End 4
032: Another Won
031: Endless Sacrifice 2
030: Space-Dye Vest spot on
029: Awaken the Master 52
028: Stream of Conciousness 11
027: Honor Thy Father 44
026:
025: Lie 22
024: One Last Time 22
023: In the Name of God 12
022: Finally Free 3
021:
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019:
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
015: The Mirror 12
014: This Dying Soul 33
013: The Glass Prison 2
012: Bridges In the Sky 11
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010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
009: Scarred 3
008: Surrounded 12
007: A View From the Top of the World 42
006: In the Presence of Enemies 16
005: Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 4
004: Illumination Theory 21 highest
003: The Count of Tuscany 7
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001:
not ranked: 12 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night / Overture 1928 / Strange Deja Vu / Take the Time
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I had Six Degrees On Inner Turbulence as Not Rated.
Seriously, it's 40 minutes of...nothing.
Ouch Tim, that hurts. When it comes to lyrics, this conceptual wonderpiece is their very best.
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I had Six Degrees On Inner Turbulence as Not Rated.
Seriously, it's 40 minutes of...nothing.
Ouch Tim, that hurts. When it comes to lyrics, this conceptual wonderpiece is their very best.
Hah!
I mean, if there's wonderful lyrics played over music that doesn't do anything, it's hard to really appreciate them.
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The Count of Tuscany 70 Wow guys top 10? There's some good stuff here, but it loses itself among everything that isn't.
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence NR I can't sum up my feelings better than TAC did.
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Count - 13
Sdoit - 6
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Catching up again!
Fatal Tragedy - #37 - very solid. While not one of the best from SFAM, this is a very good song. Always an entertaining listen.
Scarred - #31 - great song and some of the parts here are out of this world. The heavy part that begins with "it's never enough" rocks hard, and the quiet part that begins with "Do you feel you don't know me anymore?" sends literal chills down my spine everytime. The song is a mish-mash of pieces and not everything works here, but the great parts are really on par with the best stuff DT has ever written. This song never fails to take me on an adventure.
In the Name of God - #13 - heavy DT at their best. So good.
Today's update:
The Count of Tuscany - #14 - one of their best epics. Yeah, the lyrics are not the best, but the music is top-notch. The quiet part fits so well.
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence - not ranked - I fully agree with Tim here.
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Hah!
I mean, if there's wonderful lyrics played over music that doesn't do anything, it's hard to really appreciate them.
It does really surprise me though. Because the whole concept, with those psychical illnesses / issues is so beautifully written, not only due to the lyrics, but in musical melodies as well. Balanced, simply and peaceful when autism is brought up, much more heavy in the post-traumatic stress and schizo-area... and About to Crash (reprise) is an outstanding performance in both lyrics and songstructure. So saying it is 'nothing', not even worth ranking, really surprise me, especially from a diehard fan like you Tim.
And then there's the postpartum depression which is so wonderfully, wonderfully layed down by LaBrie. Goodnight Kiss is his moment of glory of the whole Six Degrees album.
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I also NR’d Six Degrees. I do love the guitar tone on About to Crash though and separately would’ve had that song top twentyish.
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It's hard a 40 minute song keeps the level and the flow so great almost all the way, but I think 6 Degrees (my #8) succeeds on it amazingly. Overture and About to Crash are really gorgeous; War and Test are extremely cool heavy songs; Goodnight Kiss and Solitary Shell are very very beautiful (well, the first half of Solitary shouldn't remind so much Peter Gabriel's Soulsbury Hill...) and About to Crash is very Steve Vai-ish, in a very good way! I'm not so crazy about Losing Time/Grand Finale, but it doesn't hurt the greatness of the rest of the song.
The Count of Tuscany (my #10) sounds more like 3 parts suite, but all of them are great, specially the first, that is truly amazing.
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I completely agree with you Tim about SDOIT. I'm also bummed it was the song for Score. I get why it happened but most of SDOIT was on L@B.
And MP said in interviews around Score that in hindsight, he regretted putting 4 tracks on L@B.
The Count ... 64. Of their "epics", it's one of the least best. Bloated, and awful lyrics ... worse than ITPOE - at least the former doesn't take itself too seriously, and knows it's a 'fantasy'.
6DOIT .. 29th. I used to rate it higher, but in Indi's "Scene" of it, it identified the flaws, and honestly, Overture (studio) as a fully programmed symphony is terrible. Score version is the only way I'll listen to it, and that version alone would put it about about 15 spots higher.
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I rarely listen to 6DOIT’s title track anymore but I’ve listened to it a fair share back in the day. I think the Score version is where it’s at for me, if at all nowadays. About To Crash and Goodnight Kiss are the highlights for me.
The contrast between disc 1 and 2 is remarkable. Disc 1 had all these experiments added to their sound while SDOIT is a like a symphonic approach to the SFaM formula.
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Unfortunately, I haven't been able to post much of my thoughts this time around. But it is interesting seeing how the list has been. I'll start my list from where I left off. I'll also include the rest, so sorry for the long post.
I am way, way behind on this so I will just list these songs and show where they ranked in my rankings.
100. Never Enough - (Did Not Rank)
99. Wither - (Did Not Rank)
98. The Gift Of Music - (#54)
97. Vacant - (Did Not Rank)
96. Afterlife - (#91)
95. Forsaken - (Did Not Rank)
94. S2N - (#73)
93. Our New World - (Did Not Rank)
92. The Looking Glass - (Did Not Rank)
91. A New Beginning - (#97)
90. Transcending Time - (Did Not Rank) (Although, I do really enjoy this song)
89. Behind The Veil - (#67)
88. This Is The Life - (#49)
87. New Millennium - (Did Not Rank)
86. Constant Motion - (Did Not Rank)
85. Sleeping Giant - (Did Not Rank)
83t. The Enemy Inside - (Did Not Rank) (I really enjoy the energy of this song a lot)
83t. Surrender To Reason - (#74)
82. Only A Matter Of Time - (#42)
81. Awaken The Master - (#13)
80. I Walk Beside You - (#64)
79. The Shattered Fortress - (#35)
78. A Fortune In Lies - (#89)
77. The Best Of Times - (#50)
76. To Live Forever - (#76) (So glad I was fortunate to see this on the I&W&B tour)
75. Answering The Call - (#11)
74. Through Her Eyes - (#34)
73. Lost Not Forgotten - (Did Not Rank)
72. Fall Into The Light - (#48)
71. Honor Thy Father - (#99)
70. The Dark Eternal Night - (Did Not Rank)
69. The Alien - (Did Not Rank)
68. The Killing Hand - (Did Not Rank)
67. Ytse Jam - (#88) - (I am hoping I get to see this one live someday soon.)
66. The Silent Man - (#94) - (If taken as a whole, the Mind Beside Itself suite would be in my top 5.)
65. Raise The Knife - (#63) - (I never heard this song until I saw Score. It's quite a shame it wasn't released on the actual album, but kudos for them busting out on a live release so this gem of a song can see the light of day.)
64. Beneath The Surface - (#52) - (This is a great way to end ADTOE. It's a good ballad and one I wouldn't mind hearing live at all. I am glad they did this type of acoustic ballad for their debut with MM, and also, that they revisited this type of mood, acoustic ballad type of sound with certain parts in The Astonishing, such as The Answer, Saviour In The Square/When Your Time Has Come, and Chosen, to name a few. If I didn't use the ranker and had more time to make the list on my own, it would've ranked a bit more higher up.)
63. Sacrificed Sons - (#98) - (This song has a groovy instrumental section. I love the use of the continuum in this song, especially the verses. This comes across way better live, and is one of the highlights for me on Score, since it is also a song where the Orchestra enhances the vibe and song as a whole.)
62. Pale Blue Dot - (#93) - (One of the best DT intros regarding the drums and rhythm pattern. I like how it starts off complex, the sort of bleak vibe and mood while also feeling a bit introspective. I do find it quite fascinating that we got this song about the cosmos, and then the first song of the next album is about Humanity being the Alien whilst discovering other pale blue dots in the cosmos. :lol)
61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls - (#45) - (I'm so glad they decided to play this on the Top of The World Tour. You should've my face when they transitioned into it from About To Crash (I was all, "I wonder what they'll transition into). I enjoy the story of the lyrics and the emotion in JLB's voice. I also do not mind the middle instrumental section either and I feel it does fit the narrative of the story the song is telling.)
60. The Bigger Picture - (#10) - (A fantastic song, and my favorite from the self-titled. Another song I am grateful to have seen live. I love that piano melody in the first verse, along with that amazing build-up into the chorus. There's so much I could say about what I love in this song. I'll say that JR is fantastic in this song with his patch choices and how these are used at atmosphere, like during the guitar solo.)
59. Hollow Years - (Did Not Rank) - (I am amazed I didn't rank this song. I wonder what happened when I was using the ranker. Oh well, If I had done it myself this would definitely be in the top 20. My favorite version is the one they were doing on their BC&SL tour.)
58. Outcry - (#40) - (Nothing much to say about this. I enjoy the groove of it, especially that bass work in the 2nd verse.)
57. Hell's Kitchen - (#75) - (My introduction to this song was through the end of Instrumedley. Even though it's a fantastic instrumental, I was disappointed in there being no Tubular Bells at the end of the studio, and was a bit bummed when JR didn't have Tubular Bells when they played it live. The bells added a lot to the ending for me. Great guitar by JP, which this song does lovely job of showcasing his more softer, somber style.)
56. On The Backs Of Angels - (#71) - (It was refreshing to hear this when it first came out. I still enjoy it to this day.)
55. Panic Attack - (#81) - (Fantastic song that I feel is a bit low here. I really wanted to hear and see this one played live with Mangini, but alas it's not meant to be. It's energetic, and has a certain drive to it that gives me a sense of motivation.)
54. These Walls - (#15) - (Possibly my favorite off of the Octavarium album. It's got a lovely atmosphere and great rhythm in the vocal melodies. And that keyboard echo effect in the first verse is just lovely. It's mainly the message of the lyrics that I love about this song, the music also fits that topic as well too.)
53. The Great Debate - (#33) - (I'm one of the rare few that enjoys this song for a lot of different reasons. One being how the music has this mysterious, sort of uneasy, unsurety vibe and mood. This vibe and mood fits what the lyrics are about. It is neat how the band chose to pan the lyrics on the left and right sides. I find the lyrics to fit the theme of the album dealing with struggles of humanity.)
52. Barstool Warrior - (#24) - (This is one of the top 10 MM era songs. It has lovely melodies, and the lyrics themselves tell a neat story. It was fantastic live, so I am glad I got to see it twice.)
51. Caught In A Web - (#90) - (I don't mind this song at all, it's just where the ranker placed it on my list. I didn't mind JLB lowering the vocals for the middle section since I was just happy I got to see this one live.)
50. A Nightmare To Remember - (#46) - (It's got it's good parts, but It's how the song progresses along with the lyrical narrative. Starting off the album with black clouds of thunder is a neat idea, which is like a dreaded thunderstorm happening at the accident that occurred.)
49. A View From The Top Of The World - (Did Not Rank) - (Amazingly this didn't make my list. I am coming to this song more. It message is uplifting, and the music fits that mood. I enjoyed the backing video they had for it live which really went along well with the lyrics and vibe of the song.)
47t. Lie - (Did Not Rank) - (I like the chorus to this song, and the energy it has. I also enjoy how it transitions from The Mirror.)
47t. This Dying Soul - (Did Not Rank) - (For me, this song is enhanced preceded by The Glass Prison. It's a great transition also from As I Am on the album.)
46. One Last Time - (#78) - (Even though this can be considered like a transition song, It's a good one at that. I love that bass into the guitar solo. One of the highlights of the Distant Memories tour was that transition from TDOE, and into TSCO.)
44t. Peruvian Skies - (Did Not Rank) - (I don't know why but I never really listened to this song as much. I think it's a good song that sounds better live, but I have to be in certain mood to want to listen to it. I'll still listen to it if it pops up on my shuffle.)
44t. Wait For Sleep - (#82) - (Love the piano work by Moore, he sets the mood for the lyrics to have that emotional impact. It's a really beautiful ballad.)
43. As I Am - (Did Not Rank) - (This song is fantastic live, but it's also a song that I ended up listening to a lot that I won't go out and listen to. I do like that bass intro though, and it's even better hearing that tone live.)
42. Innocence Faded - (#85) - (I got into this song more after hearing it on Score. It was one song I would usually skip when listening to Awake, but for some reason hearing it live on Score is what made me start to like it.)
41. Disappear - (#23) - (An amazing ballad that closes the first disc of 6DOIT nicely. The eerie atmosphere in the intro sets the tone perfectly for the lyrics. The verse at the end is amazing and I personally like the delivery of the backing vocals rather than the lead ones he sung live.)
40. Erotomania - (#22) - (If AMBI was one song this would be higher. On it's own, it's still an excellent instrumental. I enjoy KM's keyboard tones on this one. My favorite part has to be the middle section before they go back into the main riff.)
39. Stream Of Consciousness - (#9) - (My all time favorite DT instrumental. It's been my favorite ever since I first saw L@B, and I have been wanting to hear it live. It's one song I do hope they bust out sometime again. I am praying it'll make a comeback now that MP is back in the band. Although, it is one song I have always wanted to hear with Mangini.)
38. Another Day - (#77) - (I grew to love this song since I first heard it on the Live In Tokyo dvd. Everytime I hear it, I wish DT would add more saxophone to some of their songs. It really works on this type of song, and I wouldn't mind hearing another song with saxophone in it.)
37. At Wit's End - (#2) - (Yes, this is my 2nd favorite DT song. Once I heard that intro I knew I was gonna be in for a treat. As the song progressed, it just kept getting better. The build-up in this song is my favorite section DT has ever done. I listened to the instrumental version and I noticed how much JLB's vocals enhance that build-up. I hope they continue to play this song in the future.)
36. The Root Of All Evil - (#43) - (If Octavarium were to have had a single, this song would be it. It's perfect as is and it's a great way to start an album. Regarding the concept of Octavarium, it is neat they included the main melody of Octavarium at the end to tie it into the theme.)
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream - (#28) - (The bass in this song has to be some of JM's best. I also like how the guitar and keyboards set up that atmosphere of being in a dreamlike oceanic state.)
34. 6:00 - (Did Not Rank) - (I like the vocal melodies and the drum intro. It was a nice surprise to witness this song live.)
33. The Dance Of Eternity - (Did Not Rank) - (I used to be into this song a lot, but I grew to love more songs. It's still a fantastic instrumental and was also a highlight of the Distant Memories tour since it went straight into OLT.)
32. Overture 1928 - (Did Not Rank) - (It's a great instrumental and does it's job of being an overture, which nicely transitions into the story. I imagine in the story, after Nicholas gets put under hypnotism, it's his mind traversing through a tunnel of memories, and each theme are the memories. Then when it transitions into SDV, it's where his mind enters the past.)
31. Misunderstood - (#20) - (I actually do not mind the ending to this song. I like the way this song builds-up from somber and mellow, then keeps going into this insane madness.)
30. Space-Dye Vest - (#39) - (I am a bit sad that I couldn't make a date for the Along For The Ride tour, this, along with Scarred, were two songs I have always wanted to see. At least they recorded a date and It's a great rendition of the song. I think the guitar solo addition at the end adds a lot more to the song in the live setting. But I also like how the studio version ends, the studio version actually has it's own mood and vibe that is entirely KM's. )
29. Endless Sacrifice - (#41) - (I'm glad this song ranked high on this list. It's a song I have always enjoyed since watching L@B, and was pumped when they started this song.)
28. Lines In The Sand - (#30) - (This song grooves. It's a fantastic song live, and I like the live versions where they included the demo lyrics that were cut. I am a bit amazed they never brought this out while Mangini was in the band. It would've been neat to hear him groove to this one.)
27. The Mirror - (#62) - (A great precursor to the 12 step suite about looking into the mirror reflecting on your life and realizing something needs to change. My favorite section is the SDV melody that I find neat they added into this song as a sort of foreshadowing.)
26. The Spirit Carries On - (#79) - (Even though it's been overplayed, and may be the song I have seen the most, I still love it live. It is a fantastic live song, and it gets the crowd together. It's perfect for that end singalong, and was a great way to end the set for DreamSonic.)
25. Illumination Theory - (#87) - (I like the message of the song lyrics, and also the ending section. For the last tour, when I saw the time after they played AVFTTOTW, I was wondering what epic we were getting. I was hoping for Octavarium, was expecting this, I was not expecting TCOT. I like the delivery of the lyrics by James in The Pursuit of Truth, and I also like how his vocals build-up.)
24. Beyond This Life - (Did Not Rank) - (I feel this song comes across better live. I really enjoy the chorus and how it sounds ethereal. This song grooves, but it didn't rank, it was in the 110's I believe. Still, if it comes up on my shuffle, I'll jam it.)
23. Bridges In The Sky - (#47) - (The atmospheric intro sets the mood nicely for what comes next, the hard instant transition into the heavy riffs. I like the soaring chorus and the use of the echo. It was excellent live.)
22. In The Presence Of Enemies - (#19) - (There's a lot I like about this song. Parts I-III are all amazing. JLB's vocals sound good in the 2nd part, going from his lower, warm voice to his higher range. I just enjoy the way he sings certain parts.)
21. Blind Faith - (#12) - (As 6DOIT is my favorite DT album, this song is a big reason why.)
20. Surrounded - (#7) - (KM's keys are just beautiful throughout the song. i like the groove in the 2nd verse when the song picks up a bit. My favorite part is after the solo. I was jamming away when I got to see it on the I&W&B tour.)
19. Finally Free - (#6) - (JR's piano work in this is amazing. I also like his choice of patches for this, like the bells in the middle section. The One Last Time reprise fits perfectly here and it's used in a different context.)
18. Strange Deja Vu - (#53) - (This could be a little higher up, but regardless I enjoy it.)
17. Take The Time - (Did Not Rank) - (It's a good song with a good groove, but I just am not into it as much for some reason. It was great during the I&W&B tour even if JLB couldn't hit those highs.)
16. Under A Glass Moon - (Did Not Rank) - (I prefer the Score version. I like the chorus and instrumental the most from the song.)
15. The Glass Prison - (#31) - (I like the intro with the bells and the bass harmonic going along with it. The intensity goes well with the lyrics, you can feel that sense of being stuck in that prison. The outro is also great with how uplifting it sounds, then it transitions smoothly into TDS.)
14. Pull Me Under - (Did Not Rank) - (I remember listening to this when my cousin first showed me it when it played on a local radio station we were listening to. I really enjoyed it, I still do, but there are way more other songs by DT besides their hit that speak to me more. I don't mind when they play it live either, I'll still rock it out, even though I have seen it a lot.)
13. Fatal Tragedy - (#69) - (I like the additions in the Alternative versions of this song, and I like how they included some bits of it on Live Scenes. The outro is one of their best instrumental sections for me.)
12. Scarred - (#1) - (What else is there to say besides what has been said by MirrorMask. I love everything in this song, the bass intro, to how it builds and grows, the song meaning, and the ending. The added section in Breaking the Fourth Wall makes this song even better, I listen to that version more, although I do like KM's tone in the album version. This song defines Awake, and to me, it has everything I love about DT.)
11. In The Name Of God - (#59) - (Another song I got into because of L@B. That version is my go to version because I love that ending guitar solo.)
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I had The Count Of Tuscany at #6.
This song keeps climbing over time. Just a tremendous piece of music. And it's middle section actually has something to do with the actual song. James kills on the outro. Amazing!
I had Six Degrees On Inner Turbulence as Not Rated.
Seriously, it's 40 minutes of...nothing. If it was broken up into individual tracks, the only thing I would've rated would've been Solitary Shell, probably at around #55-#60ish.
I wish they had made this Disc 1 when they released 6 D's. I think it pales to actual Disc 1.
Well said for both songs, although my ranking for TCoT was #7. And I wouldn't say that SDoIT is 40 minutes of nothing, but I've never been a fan of the whole thing although I like some parts.
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Tim, I'm glad my roulette is over, because I would've booted you out for leaving SDOIT off your list :)
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25. Illumination Theory (91st) DREAM THEATER, IF YOU'RE READING THIS, DO MORE STUFF IN THE VEIN OF THE LAST FEW MINUTES OF THIS SONG. SO GOOD.
24. Beyond This Life (88th) I'm a SFAM hater, what can I say? It's an okay song though.
23. Bridges In The Sky (8th) This song could be top 5 but the intro is too long, it's otherwise a stellar song. When JLB sings "crossing bridges in the sky", it's so good.
22. In The Presence Of Enemies (28th) Cool epic on a weird album. I don't like the Dark Master part. Everything else is good. Odd song for DT, though.
21. Blind Faith (42nd) Easily the worst track of SDOIT but still just fine.
20. Surrounded (25th) What a lovely song. Just, so bouncy but then a bit serious. DT does this style of song nicely.
19. Finally Free (76th) SFAM, yeah....
18. Strange Deja Vu (89th) Lol. The "uncanny strange deja vu" does pop into my mind at times.
17. Take The Time (19th) The energy in this song is really vibrant. JLB is having fun and the music is good.
16. Under A Glass Moon (67th) It's a fine song, with a cool intro. It's always been the weakest or second weakest track on IaW to me, though.
15. The Glass Prison (3rd) This is 15th and I am shocked. I know some of the songs remaining, but I thought this was one of the most favored songs. Interesting. Anyway, this song is just pure gas for a long time.
14. Pull Me Under (77th) This and UAGM are fine songs, but they can swap being the worst or 2nd worst on the album, but they have stiff competition. Also surprised this is so high, is it because it's their most famous song?
13. Fatal Tragedy (90th) What a canyon between my ranking and the consensus. Yeah, it's a SFAM song, for some reason that album doesn't gel with me.
12. Scarred (69th) It's a fine song, but I often forget how it even sounds when I see it talked about.
11. In The Name Of God (13th) Hell yeah. I avoided this song for a while when this album was the new stuff, IDK why, I just was loving the rest of the album and this was the last song. It is pretty much flawless. I love the choir at the end, subtle enough to enjoy (and JLB's screaming as well).
10. The Count Of Tuscany (6th) This (and several other songs) are what DT do best in the modern era (I am thinking post-8VM). You can have the metal in "prog metal" but don't leave behind the prog, or the beautiful melodies and tight compositions. The intro might be a top 5, maybe a top 3 DT intro, musically speaking. The ending is great, it's fun to sing and play on the acoustic (capo on 4th fret).
09. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (4th) I hate ranking this as a single song. Like others, this is a collection of 8 different ideas/tracks/songs, but they're all great songs (maybe besides Goodnight Kiss, that one is decent). But since we have to bow to the wishes of the almighty band, here we are. Not my actual 4th favorite, but yeah, each part is a great picture of different mental illnesses. Favorites include Solitary Shell, The Test..., and Losing Time.
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The Count of Tuscany is my #26. Surprised to see it in the top 10, I'm not bothered 'cause it's a gorgeous song anyway; maybe not perfect (at times the lyrics are cheesy, and some parts could have been trimmed a bit) but all in all is a grandiose epic.
Also, trust an italian here - JP totally and completely NAILED the atmosphere of Tuscany. When you're there, or in central Italy anyway, and you put on the song, it just feels.... right. Absolutely fitting.
Also II, allow me a bit of self promotion, I remember posting it years ago here - on my FB photo page you can find a visual tribute I did to the song, using photos I took around Tuscany that I felt were matching the lyrics (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.633410806729735.1073741867.612493155488167&type=1), feel free to have a scroll!
Six Degreees of Inner Turbulence landed at #39 for me, 30 positions lower, and my lowest ranking of DTF's top 10. Overall I like it, but its length and complexity makes it hard to judge compared to other "regular" songs.
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10. The Count Of Tuscany (#81) top 30 if not for the lyrics.
09. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (#9) Nailed it! Blame this for me being here ;) Overture….well, as time went on, I simply listened to the final 48 seconds, which provides a great intro for ‘About To Crash’, which I rate highly. Parts III and IV are my least listened to, but that doesn’t diminish their importance. Nice, soothing segue into Part V, and the music strikes the right nerve on through the finale. Adore the percussion and mix, and the final forty seconds of Part VII is almost impossible to listen to while driving, because of the need to air drum wildly during it. :lol Truly love that part on ‘Score’, the slight pause to the finale, and MP’s interactions throughout. Still get swept away with emotions on every listen.
I’d finally found my Queen ‘replacement’ after all those years.
67/92 ****
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"40 minutes of nothing" is potentially the most asinine take I've read in this forum about anything. And I include my own take on Illumination Theory in that. Dislike it all you like but it's not "40 minutes of nothing", no matter how much of a forum celeb you are :lol
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Count me among the SDOIT detractors. Individually, I like Solitary Shell a lot, and I think Goodnight Kiss and the About to Crash segments are pretty good. But you have to wade through the overture, and the dumb metal songs to get to them (thankfully they split the track up). The ending I find very disappointing as well. Could have been good if they had expanded on the verse and first chorus, but instead we get the Sesame Street “let’s explain what this song was about” wrap up. The About to Crash segments also feel like they could have been one cool song, but instead they are kind of two stunts separate tracks.
So as a whole piece, I don’t really care for it. But it did give us some moments that are pretty cool I suppose.
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Unfortunately, I haven't been able to post much of my thoughts this time around.
True Ben_Jamin, missed your thoughts here as well. Often you shine a light on some elements of songs that are usually covered in the shadow.
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BTW, the countdown of 2021 / 2022 ended up with 32 pages in the thread. We're gonna nail that one and might become close to double it. The forum is alive and shining bright, so it seems.
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19. Finally Free - 50 for me. One of the lesser tracks from SFAM for me, however, still a great song. There is much to like about it but for me the pinnacle is the One Last Time reprise.
18. Strange Deja Vu - this reached my 5, just one spot below O1928. This is pretty much a perfect song and holds a very special place in my heart. This combined with O1928 is what made me a fan back in the day.
17. Take The Time - 31 for me. A true DT classic with not only great, soaring vocals and a catchy chorus but some extremely good musicianship. This is a song that tries to do everything and does a pretty decent job at it..
16. Under A Glass Moon - talking of DT classics, another one. 19 for me so pretty close to the consensus. What else is there to say - almost every aspect of this song shines. Surely one of JP's all-time greatest solos.
15. The Glass Prison - 9 for me. This song is god tier.
14. Pull Me Under - 52 for me. The song that happened to be the break-through, so I owe it that much, but that aside, does it really deserve to stand with the very best this band have produced? I don't think so personally, it's a good song but... I wouldn't be upset if they decided to retire it at this point.
13. Fatal Tragedy - I was bang on with this one at 13. Fantastic song, much to love about it. I particularly love the second verse, that solo section (which has a very unique and interesting arrangement going on in the rhythm section... the famous "shrink and grow"), and that outro - my god, it's simply astonishing.
12. Scarred - surprisingly, this didn't make my list. Surprising because I quite like it... I really like it in fact. Lovely bass intro. I went through a phase many years ago of listening to this song a lot but for some reason I haven't gone back to it much in the last 10-15 years... that may be about to change though.
11. In The Name Of God - 20 for me. I can totally understand why others have ranked it higher though. Surprised this has not featured in any tour since the TOT (not counting the segment in "Schemedly Wilcox"...). Would really love it to make a live comeback.
Will catch up on the rest later.
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The Count of Tuscany: 39. One of their best intro sections, one of their best outro sections.
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence: 49. Movements I to IV I wouldn't rank, movements V to VIII are Top 20 material. 49 seems a fair average.
The Score so far:
2 - Scarred
3 - The Spirit Carries On
4 - Lines in the Sand
5 - In the Presence of Enemies
7 - Misunderstood
9 - Space-Dye Vest
11 - Beyond This Life
14 - Stream of Consciousness
16 - Under a Glass Moon
17 - Bridges in the Sky
19 - Illumination Theory
21 - A New Beginning
23 - Disappear
24 - Pull Me Under
25 - Surrounded
26 - Fatal Tragedy
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
31 - Erotomania
32 - Strange Deja-Vu
33 - Surrender to Reason
34 - Take the Time
35 - Finally Free
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
39 - The Count of Tuscany
42 - Another Day
43 - One Last Time
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
49 - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
50 - In the Name of God
54 - Peruvian Skies
55 - The Dance of Eternity
56 - The Bigger Picture
61 - Wait for Sleep
64 - Blind Faith
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
69 - Overture 1928
70 - Innocence Faded
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
76 - Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
77 - At Wit's End
78 - Lie
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
88 - The Mirror
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
91 - 6:00
92 - The Killing Hand
93 - Endless Sacrifice
95 - Barstool Warrior
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 33
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Another Bingo line complete (the 40s):
1. This Dying Soul
2. In The Name of God
3. Stream of Consciousness
4. Blind Faith
5.
6. Disappear
7. Endless Sacrifice
8.
9.
10.
11.
12. Outcry
13. Misunderstood
14. Finally Free
15. Bridges in the Sky
16.
17. The Count of Tuscany
18. The Glass Prison
19. Erotomania
20. As I Am
21. The Great Debate
22. The Shattered Fortress
23. Answering The Call
24. In The Presence of Enemies
25. Lines in the Sand
26. Surrounded
27. Awaken The Master
28.
29. Pull Me Under
30. The Root of all Evil
31. Illumination Theory
32. Forsaken
33. A View From The Top Of The World
34. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
35. At Wits' End
36. Beneath The Surface
37. Innocence Faded
38. Peruvian Skies
39. Take The Time
40. Fatal Tragedy
41. The Best of Times
42. On The Backs of Angels
43. Scarred
44. Beyond This Life
45. The Mirror
46. Panic Attack
47. Lie
48. Another Day
49. The Alien
50.
51. Behind the Veil
52. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
53. These Walls
54.
55. The Ministry of Lost Souls
56. Sleeping Giant
57. Fall Into The Light
58. Pale Blue Dot
59.
60. Sacrificed Sons
61. Honor Thy Father
62. New Millennium
63. Overture 1928
64. Barstool Warrior
65.
66. Hell's Kitchen
67. Space-Dye Vest
68. 6:00
69. The Bigger Picture
70. The Spirit Carries On
71. Transcending Time (my lowest ranked song from View)
72.
73. I Walk Beside You
74.
75. Never Enough
76. Hollow Years (#TeamBudokan by the way)
77.
78.
79. Caught In A Web
80. Strange Deja Vu
81.
82.
83.
84.
85.
86. Surrender To Reason
87.
88. Vacant (lowest ranked song from ToT)
89. The Dance of Eternity
90.
91. One Last Time
92. The Looking Glass
93. A Fortune In Lies
94. Ytse Jam
95. Afterlife
96. Under A Glass Moon
97.
98. Constant Motion
99.
100. The Enemy Inside
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In The Name of God was going to be my #1 for this countdown right up until the last minute when I bumped it for This Dying Soul. It's a truly great song with phenomenal riffs and real beauty in the finale. My favourite MP performance too.
Scarred is a messy little bugger but I love it regardless. Fantastic solo from JP at the end.
The Count of Tuscany was my favourite DT song for a number of years but I rarely listen to it these days. I still think the intro (everything up to the verse riff) and outro (everything after the woozy guitar swells stop) are among the finest things they've ever done. I had the pleasure of listening to this a few times when I was in Florence, looking out over the Tuscan countryside. It was quite an experience. Alas no dodgy old geezer invited me back to his castle to sample a rare vintage.
Fatal Tragedy is of course wonderful but like so much of the Scenes album, I rarely listen to it on its own. For that reason it finished relatively low down my list. Amazing instrumental section though.
Interesting to see Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence finish highest of its album's tracks here, because if memory serves it was the first song to be booted off the survivor back in the day. I ranked it almost exactly at the mid-point. There is a lot to love here, but also too much that just doesn't connect with me.
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Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence: 49. Movements I to IV I wouldn't rank, movements V to VIII are Top 20 material. 49 seems a fair average.
This inspired me to do what we do best here on DTF and rank stuff. I'd put the 'movements' of SDOIT at:
II (About To Crash) - great
VII (About To Crash Reprise) - great
V (Goodnight Kiss) - great, but shorten the intro for heaven's sake.
VI (Solitary Shell) - very good
IV (The Test That Stumped Them All) - good
VIII (Losing Time) - ok
III (War Inside My Head) - not keen
I (Overture) - not keen
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Looking ahead, seven of my top ten, including my top three, have yet to show up. I'm quite confident that my missing #15 will be there as well. I'd have to go down to #40 to find the next song on my list that hasn't made the rankings (and by virtue of the above math I don't expect it to).
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"40 minutes of nothing" is potentially the most asinine take I've read in this forum about anything. And I include my own take on Illumination Theory in that. Dislike it all you like but it's not "40 minutes of nothing", no matter how much of a forum celeb you are :lol
Thiiiiis. I honestly can't understand the amount of indifference to what I ranked #1. When they played parts 6-8 on tour last year, I was in heaven. I hadn't felt joy like that at a DT show in quite some time. I don't find any parts of the song dull, and if we had broken up the song into 8 parts, I probably would have ranked 7 if them easily in the top 100, maybe all 8. Y'all are crazy!
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Love the Count. With Six Degrees, I really like sections 5-8 but not a huge fan of 1-4 hence the lower-than-normal ranking. That 5-8 section, though, is one of DT's best moments.
3 Under a Glass Moon
5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
7 In the Name of God
8 The Count of Tuscany
9 The Great Debate
11 Outcry
12 Overture 1928
14 Blind Faith
15 Fatal Tragedy
16 One Last Time
18 Illumination Theory
19 Beyond This Life
20 Lost Not Forgotten
21 Surrounded
22 A View From the Top of the World
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
27 Take the Time
28 Fall Into the Light
29 Bridges in the Sky
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
32 Scarred
33 Disappear
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
42 The Root of All Evil
46 Misunderstood
48 A Fortune in Lies
51 Barstool Warrior
52 Our New World
53 At Wit's End
54 Wither
55 The Alien
56 Lifting Shadows off a Dream
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
59 Innocence Faded
61 I Walk Beside You
62 Endless Sacrifice
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
65 Wait for Sleep
66 The Bigger Picture
67 A Nightmare to Remember
68 Sleeping Giant
69 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
70 The Ministry of Lost Souls
71 Pull Me Under
72 The Dance of Eternity
75 Panic Attack
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
80 Strange Deja-Vu
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
88 The Mirror
93 Another Day
95 On the Backs of Angels
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen, These Walls, Caught in a Web, Lie, This Dying Soul, Peruvian Skies, As I Am, Erotomania, Stream of Consciousness, 6:00, Space-Dye Vest, The Spirit Carries On, Lines in the Sand, ITPoE, Finally Free, The Glass Prison
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time, Outcry, Under a Glass Moon
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10. The Count of Tuscany - (#27) - (I am so happy I got to see this one live, twice at that. The beautiful guitar intro, the instrumental ambient section followed by that acoustic guitar into the last sections first vocal lines, that part makes me feel that loneliness and uncertainty.)
9. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence - (#8) - (I am so glad this rated high as a single song. The theme of mental illness or mental struggles is a big reason for me enjoying this song, and one reason why it's my favorite album. So happy I got to see ATC, Solitary Shell, ABT(R), and LT/GF live. I about cried when I first heard the opening piano in About to Crash. Lots of people in the crowd were just as ecstatic.)
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I'm a bit behind...
Under a Glass Moon - a classic song with a brilliant solo. My rank 11.
The Glass Prison - an epic opening to this track. I didn't love it overall though at first but now think of it as a classic. My rank 19.
Pull Me Under - the song that started it all for me. Can still remember the first time I ever heard it back in 92. Still a great song I never grow tired of hearing. My rank 10.
Fatal Tragedy - another epic track on a great album. My rank 18.
Scarred - see write up above. My rank 9.
In The Name of God - the solo section is one of my favourites. Great song. My rank 24.
The Count of Tuscany - has enough beautiful parts to make this a great track but also contains some cringeworthy lyrics and poor vocal delivery. My rank 26.
Six Degrees - totally overrated to rank this high. Has some good moments but a fair slab of things don't work that well. I ranked this 39 which I though was generous.
Still have 6 of my own top 10 to come. Other 2 are in top 20.
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FT came in or me at number 15. So good. It's its own little journey is 7 minutes.
Scared ranked at number 10. Amazing in every way.
ITNOG, number 16. Fucking heavy, dark, great atmosphere, ripping playing, epic ending.
TCOT came in at 14. That ending section is another goosebump moment from DT. James' subtle performance at the end followed by JP's solo makes the song for me, incredible.
6D came in at 38. I really didn't think much of it but it opened itself up more on my last listen. It's not one song though, it's what......6 songs slapped awkwardly next to one another. I wish they were separate pieces.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 Disappear The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84 Stream Of Consciousness
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82 Transcending Time
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80
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77 Lines in the Sand
76
75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
73 One Last Time
72 Peruvian Skies
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
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68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
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64 The Looking Glass
63 Panic Attack
62 Surrounded
61 On the Backs of Angels
60 Beyond This Life
59
58 Afterlife
57 Caught In A Web
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54 The Great Debate
53 A Nightmare to Remember
52 Erotomania
51 Answering the Call
50 The Spirit Carries On
49 Space-Dye Vest
48 The Shattered Fortress
47 Finally Free
46 As I Am
45 Bridges in the Sky
44 The Dark Eternal Night
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42 Never Enough
41 Wait For Sleep
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39 Strange Deja Vu
38 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulance
37 The Bigger Picture
36 Outcry
35 Take the Time
34 Lie
33 The Root of All Evil
32 I Walk Beside You
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30 A View From the Top of the World
29 Surrender to Reason
28 Barstool Warrior
27 Another Day
26 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
25 Endless Sacrifice
24 Innocence Faded
23 Misunderstood
22 Under A Glass Moon
21 In the Presence of Enemies
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18 Pull Me Under
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16 In the Name of God
15 Fatal Tragedy
14 The Count of Tuscany
13 These Walls
12 At Wit's End
11 The Mirror
10 Scarred
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8 The Glass Prison
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6 Blind Faith
5 Illumination Theory
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2 This Dying Soul.
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10. The Count Of Tuscany (65th) Loved seeing this live. Understandably the track that I was the most excited about when BC&SL came out. Glad to see it making so far into the ranking, actually (even though I didn't help it all that much lol).
09. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (87th) I get the decision to include it as a single piece, but to me it really is a bonus album that happens to have the title of the rest of the album on the first disc. I've recently really warmed up to Goodnight Kiss, really pretty solo. However, the weird part of finally "internalizing" it that many years later is that when the solo pivots to the part that reprises the Overture, I'm like "no, wait, I know how that goes, go back to the first part!". Probably a heretical opinion for the users on here, but I dunno. Really love both Abouts to Crashes, Solitary Shell and TTTSTA (boy, an acronym they only surpassed with TOTHTSTS or AVFTTOTW, huh?), get a kick out of WIMH, and the finale still hasn't hit me all that much, but I think it will eventually. Maybe when I'm 50 or something :lol
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The Count of Tuscany - My ranking: #5 (+0)
Everything about this song is great, including the lyrics, including the pre-chorus, including the ambient section, and especially including the intro and outro. I knew this song was a masterpiece from the moment I first listened to it.
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence - My ranking: #3 (+3)
This has always been one of my all-time favorite Dream Theater songs, but this time around it emotionally resonated with me more than it ever has before. Every movement of this song is pretty much flawless, but special mentions go to About to Crash, Goodnight Kiss, Solitary Shell, and Losing Time/Grand Finale. It's a beautiful, massive journey where not a single second feels wasted, and it is the greatest way they could've ended this album.
3. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (+3)
5. The Count of Tuscany (+0)
6. Illumination Theory (-2)
7. Disappear (+1)
8. Blind Faith (+5)
9. The Glass Prison (+0)
10. The Best of Times (-7)
11. In the Presence of Enemies[/b] (+3)
12. A Nightmare to Remember (-1)
13. Erotomania (-1)
14. Space-Dye Vest (+5)
15. Misunderstood (+1)
16. Finally Free (-6)
17. This Dying Soul (+10)
18. The Shattered Fortress (+6)
21. The Ministry of Lost Souls (-4)
22. The Spirit Carries On (-7)
23. The Silent Man (+0)
24. The Dark Eternal Night (+9)
25. Beyond This Life (+3)
27. In the Name of God (+8)
29. Lines in the Sand (+16)
30. Hell's Kitchen (-8)
32. A View From the Top of the World
33. Surrounded (-12)
34. Outcry (+36)
35. Constant Motion (+29)
36. Fatal Tragedy (+15)
37. A New Beginning (-7)
38. The Great Debate (+0)
39. Pale Blue Dot (-8)
40. Sleeping Giant
41. Endless Sacrifice (+21)
42. The Root of All Evil (-10)
46. Fall Into The Light (-10)
47. Barstool Warrior (-13)
48. The Bigger Picture (+0)
49. The Mirror (+9)
51. Ytse Jam (+4)
52. These Walls (+31)
56. Bridges in the Sky (-10)
58. S2N (+1)
59. The Enemy Inside (-10)
61. Awaken the Master
63. The Gift of Music (-2)
64. As I Am (+16)
65. Strange Deja Vu (+13)
66. Stream of Consciousness (-16)
67. Panic Attack (-15)
68. On the Backs of Angels (+20)
69. 6:00 (+24)
70. Another Day (-27)
71. Transcending Time
73. At Wit's End (-7)
75. Pull Me Under (-1)
77. Hollow Years (-2)
78. The Killing Hand (-37)
80. Wait For Sleep (-23)
83. The Dance of Eternity (+12)
84. This is the Life (-12)
87. A Fortune in Lies (+18)
88. I Walk Beside You (+31)
89. Never Enough (-18)
90. Wither (-4)
93. Vacant (+4)
94. Through Her Eyes (-13)
97. Innocence Faded (-8)
98. Lie (+19)
100. Our New World (+3)
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105. Answering the Call
109. The Alien
112. Beneath the Surface (-2)
113. Under A Glass Moon (+10)
116. Caught in a Web (+14)
122. Lost Not Forgotten (-9)
123. Behind the Veil (-2)
124. Peruvian Skies (+2)
126. Take the Time (+10)
130. The Looking Glass (+1)
131. Forsaken (-4)
137. Sacrificed Sons (-15)
139. Only a Matter of Time (-10)
141. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream (-25)
142. Afterlife (-7)
143. One Last Time (-4)
145. Scarred (-17)
147. Surrender to Reason (-10)
148. New Millennium (-8)
149. Honor Thy Father (-7)
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Unranked: To Live Forever, Raise the Knife
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Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence: 49. Movements I to IV I wouldn't rank, movements V to VIII are Top 20 material. 49 seems a fair average.
This inspired me to do what we do best here on DTF and rank stuff. I'd put the 'movements' of SDOIT at:
II (About To Crash) - great
VII (About To Crash Reprise) - great
V (Goodnight Kiss) - great, but shorten the intro for heaven's sake.
VI (Solitary Shell) - very good
IV (The Test That Stumped Them All) - good
VIII (Losing Time) - ok
III (War Inside My Head) - not keen
I (Overture) - not keen
This seems right to me, for me ATC is a top-20ish song while the Overture is one of my only guaranteed skips of their catalog.
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I am not sure any of those as individual songs make my Top 100.
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I really like Six Degrees. But it just isn't a single song and it was almost impossible to rank. In the end, I popped it down at number 20. I like the overture but I'd have preferred it being played on its respective instruments.
About to Crash is one of the two songs that got me into Dream Theater. Back in late 2002, and on the back of an awful year, I was scratching around for something new to listen to. I wasn't really aware of Dream Theater but I must have had reason to put their name into Limewire (remember that?) because that's what I did, sorting the results by the numbers of seeds available. Pull Me Under was top followed by About to Crash so I gave them both a try. I remember liking Pull Me Under but it was About to Crash that really caught my imagination with its textured layering and driving feel; charmingly different for a metal song. On New Year's Eve, I found Scenes from a Memory in a record shop while out doing my job and that night I listened to it three or four times in a row as tears rolled down my face caused, I think, by relief at the year ending combined with the utter joy of the music, certainly on the last couple of listens. How had I been practically unaware of this band for so long? They were writing music seemingly tailored just for me.
Back to Six Degrees, it touches me lyrically, as well as musically; perhaps even more so these days since my father died of dementia-related causes.
And yeah, it should never have been included as a single song.
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Under a Glass Moon 28 IaW standard, which means awesome.
The Glass Prison 64 If the entire song was as great as the intro...
Pull Me Under 31 A classics which just never gets old to me...
Fatal Tragedy 14 Some of the best stuff on SFAM, punches a way above its (for DT standards) short runtime.
Scarred 3 Only one n. 1 spot, but it seems a lot of us ranked it as n. 2 or 3, plus a shitload of Top 10 finishes. Deservedly so. It is really that good.
In The Name of God 11 Along with Stream of Consciousness, clear highlight of what is already a really good album.
The Count of Tuscany 9 One of the late DT classics, still keeps getting better.
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 12 Contains a lot of great stuff, but ranking it as a standalone song just feels weird to me. Despite how the band presents it, I never think of it as one song.
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Rank - Song - My Rank
13 - Fatal Tragedy - 26 - great tune, probably a bit low on my list
12 - Scarred - 10 - highest rated from Awake, when I first purchased Awake on cassette I had no idea I was missing out on the best song on the album. Didn't find out until a week or so later talking about the new DT at a friend's band practice and they all were nuts about Scarred and I was like WTF
11 - In the name of god - 8 - my highest ranked from ToT
10 - The Count of Tuscany - 11 - one of my favorites to see live, it never gets old
9 - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence - 9 - spot on, struggled a bit w this one as a full piece, but I really love the majority of this one so it is what it is
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Re: Six Degrees. It ranked #4 for me, and that's only because my top 3 are that secured.
For those expressing a dislike for the overture. Maybe it is because the first time I listened to this track I was on a classical music kick, but that overture is nearly perfect imo and as a stand alone track, it would easily make it to my top 10 (And I am not big on DT instrumentals outside of SoC). About to Crash has everything I love about non-metal DT, from catchy melodies and heartfelt solos. Goodnight Kiss is freaking beautiful, and the guitar solo is one of JP's best. Solitary Shell is fantastic. Reprise and Losing Time/grand finale are a great way to end this epic. The only not-so-great moments for this track are WIMH and TTTSTA, not that they are bad, they just feel inferior to everything else that goes on for 42 minutes.
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Couple more today.
08. Breaking All Illusions
Highest Finish: 2 (DragonAttack, Evermind)
Number of Lists appeared on: 64 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Pretty damn surprised to see this song place so high. It's good, but number 8?!?!?
07. Voices
Highest Finish: 1 (KevShmev)
Number of Lists appeared on: 65 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Incredible song with an incredible solo. I always felt like this song is loved by many but maybe not discussed as much as some of the other top 20 tracks.
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DTF Me
16. Under A Glass Moon 13
15. The Glass Prison 36
14. Pull Me Under 27
13. Fatal Tragedy 8
12. Scarred 62
11. In The Name Of God 55
10. The Count Of Tuscany 53
09. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence 1
08. Breaking All Illusions 17
07. Voices 67
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BAI.... #9 for me, so I'm pretty darn close. This was so refreshing to have them go back to the 90s style after the first two RR albums and the experiments that came along with them. Flawless in every way... great lyrics, two excellent guitar solos, James sounds as good as anything post 8vm, great sounding instrumental section. Seeing it 1st row in AZ after a nice DTF meetup, and getting a fistbump from JP after the second solo was pure bliss.
Voices.... 13. I rated it hand in hand with Erotomania. Great song, with some of James' best vocal passages ever.
@ Gregg... SDOIT at #1. How are you and Ale a match!?!?! :lol
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"Breaking All Illusions" is a top-5 song for me...that wasn't always the case, but this song (and record) has really grown on me in recent years :metal
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08. Breaking All Illusions
Highest Finish: 2 (DragonAttack, Evermind)
Number of Lists appeared on: 64
07. Voices
Highest Finish: 1 (KevShmev)
Number of Lists appeared on: 65
BAI #15.
Voices #18.
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@ Gregg... SDOIT at #1. How are you and Ale a match!?!?! :lol
I'm not sure what you mean. Didn't Ale rank it somewhere in the 50's?
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Breaking All Illusions - 17
The clear standout track from the MM era for me, it stands above all the other songs. Great JM lyrics and bass groove, a lovely instrumental section, and James does a very good vocal job.
Voices - 44
A dark, moody, and heavy song from Awake. I guess I could have ranked it a bit higher, but it is what it is. Great JP solo though.
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08. Breaking All Illusions
Highest Finish: 2 (DragonAttack, Evermind)
Number of Lists appeared on: 64 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
07. Voices
Highest Finish: 1 (KevShmev)
Number of Lists appeared on: 65 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had Breaking All Illusions at #9.
My highest rated Mangini track. An instant DT classic.
I had Voices at #27.
I agree with Reaper, where I do think this song gets lost in discussion, but being #8 is damn affirming.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 6:00 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 The Root Of All Evil Transcending Time
95 Lie Behind The Veil
94 New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Glass Prison The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 Zydar The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot As I Am
84 Misunderstood
83 The Mirror
82 Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
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80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78 Stream Of Consciousness
77 A Nightmare To Remember
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72 Beyond This Life
71 Pull Me Under
70 One Last Time
69 Surrender Of Reason
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67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58 Wait For Sleep
57 Illumination Theory
56 The Spirit Carries On
55 Under A Glass Moon
54 Barstool Warrior
53
52 Finally Free
51 Erotomania
50 In The Name Of God
49 Strange Deja Vu
48 Bridges In The Sky
47 Blind Faith
46
45 Overture 1928
44 Panic Attack
43 Innocence Faded
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39 A View From The Top Of The World
38 At Wits End
37 Fall Into The Light
36 In The Presence Of Enemies
35 The Gift Of Music
34 The Dance Of Eternity
33 Peruvian Skies
32 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
31 Ytse Jam
30
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27 Voices
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25 Surrounded
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20 This Dying Soul
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15 Fatal Tragedy
14 The Best Of Times
13 Endless Sacrifice
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10 Take The Time
9 Breaking All Illusions
8 Lines In The Sand
7 Disappear
6 The Count Of Tuscany
5 Space Dye Vest
4 The Killing Hand
3 Scarred
2
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BAI - 81
Voices - 16
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25. Illumination Theory (91st) DREAM THEATER, IF YOU'RE READING THIS, DO MORE STUFF IN THE VEIN OF THE LAST FEW MINUTES OF THIS SONG. SO GOOD.
24. Beyond This Life (88th) I'm a SFAM hater, what can I say? It's an okay song though.
23. Bridges In The Sky (8th) This song could be top 5 but the intro is too long, it's otherwise a stellar song. When JLB sings "crossing bridges in the sky", it's so good.
22. In The Presence Of Enemies (28th) Cool epic on a weird album. I don't like the Dark Master part. Everything else is good. Odd song for DT, though.
21. Blind Faith (42nd) Easily the worst track of SDOIT but still just fine.
20. Surrounded (25th) What a lovely song. Just, so bouncy but then a bit serious. DT does this style of song nicely.
19. Finally Free (76th) SFAM, yeah....
18. Strange Deja Vu (89th) Lol. The "uncanny strange deja vu" does pop into my mind at times.
17. Take The Time (19th) The energy in this song is really vibrant. JLB is having fun and the music is good.
16. Under A Glass Moon (67th) It's a fine song, with a cool intro. It's always been the weakest or second weakest track on IaW to me, though.
15. The Glass Prison (3rd) This is 15th and I am shocked. I know some of the songs remaining, but I thought this was one of the most favored songs. Interesting. Anyway, this song is just pure gas for a long time.
14. Pull Me Under (77th) This and UAGM are fine songs, but they can swap being the worst or 2nd worst on the album, but they have stiff competition. Also surprised this is so high, is it because it's their most famous song?
13. Fatal Tragedy (90th) What a canyon between my ranking and the consensus. Yeah, it's a SFAM song, for some reason that album doesn't gel with me.
12. Scarred (69th) It's a fine song, but I often forget how it even sounds when I see it talked about.
11. In The Name Of God (13th) Hell yeah. I avoided this song for a while when this album was the new stuff, IDK why, I just was loving the rest of the album and this was the last song. It is pretty much flawless. I love the choir at the end, subtle enough to enjoy (and JLB's screaming as well).
10. The Count Of Tuscany (6th) This (and several other songs) are what DT do best in the modern era (I am thinking post-8VM). You can have the metal in "prog metal" but don't leave behind the prog, or the beautiful melodies and tight compositions. The intro might be a top 5, maybe a top 3 DT intro, musically speaking. The ending is great, it's fun to sing and play on the acoustic (capo on 4th fret).
09. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (4th) I hate ranking this as a single song. Like others, this is a collection of 8 different ideas/tracks/songs, but they're all great songs (maybe besides Goodnight Kiss, that one is decent). But since we have to bow to the wishes of the almighty band, here we are. Not my actual 4th favorite, but yeah, each part is a great picture of different mental illnesses. Favorites include Solitary Shell, The Test..., and Losing Time.
08. Breaking All Illusions (11th) 3rd best song from the MM era. It just slaps, and it does it better than Learning to Live.
07. Voices (40th) Excellent song, but 7th?! Wow. But I think I get it, it's not a prog epic but an emotional song with a lot of good stuff.
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@ Gregg... SDOIT at #1. How are you and Ale a match!?!?! :lol
I'm not sure what you mean. Didn't Ale rank it somewhere in the 50's?
Exactly... I mean how are you a personality match when musical tastes (at least in this case) are so varied?
08. Breaking All Illusions (11th) 3rd best song from the MM era. It just slaps, and it does it better than Learning to Live.
Let's not get too crazy!
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Breaking All Illusions- I had this up at #6. As others have said, the clear standout track from the Mangini era and I love seeing it place so high. It's got a killer chorus and then the middle section starting at about 5 minutes through JP's epic solo is just God tier DT instrumental work.
Voices - I was just a touch below, #9 on my list. Great lyrics that are delivered with aplomb by JLB, and the whole song is a JP masterclass, rhythm and lead.
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08. Breaking All Illusions (11th) 3rd best song from the MM era. It just slaps, and it does it better than Learning to Live.
Let's not get too crazy!
Don't worry, it ain't far off.
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Weekend catch-up post:
16 Under A Glass Moon - fantastic song, although I had it a little lower than the consensus, at # 24. Absolutely one of JP's best solos.
15 The Glass Prison - Again, I had it slightly lower than the consensus, ranking it at # 21. I LOVE this song. I will never forget the first time I heard it. It physically affected me.
14 Pull Me Under - In DT history, the importance of this song cannot be overstated. However, I could rank it no higher than # 30, and if they never again played it live, that would be fine with me lol
13 Fatal Tragedy - Fantastic song, I have it at # 18.
12 Scarred - Just a glorious marriage of music composition and lyrics. I have it at # 5 on my list.
11 In The Name of God - Very good track, although I apparently like it less than the consensus, ranking it at # 37.
10 The Count of Tuscany - DNR. This song just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I see that I was one of only two people who left this one off. lol
09 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence - Another fantastic song that I like a little less than the consensus, ranking it at # 20. I had this a lot higher at one time, but things change, I suppose.
08 Breaking All Illusions - Along with Illumination Theory, the best song from the Mangini era. I had it at # 11.
07 Voices - Just an all-time classic, another fantastic marriage between music composition and lyrics, which happened a lot on Awake - which is why it's their best album. I was right with the consensus on this one, ranking it # 7.
And with that, 5 of my top 6 still alive. They will all make the list, and I'm pretty sure I know what the 6th will be as well.
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Voices is a really powerful and pretty unique DT song. It’s one I have to be in the mood to tackle just because it’s so dark and intense, but I can understand why it would be a top 10 track for them. James gives an incredible performance, and you have one of JP’s most emotional solos as well here. It’s something I’m more likely to listen to only if I’m spinning Awake as a whole. But it is very good.
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Now I start to really fear for some of the ones I was sure was going to make it.... and if BAI gets in at 8 but ... is left unranked then I'm at a loss...... can that really happen?
Breaking All Illusions ended up at 76th spot for me. Listning to it now it's where it's supposed to be. It's a good song but has nothig to with the top for me...
Voices was my 15. That one is definetely a top contender unlike BAI.
My ranking so far
1 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9)
5 Take the Time (17)
6 Another Day (38)
7 Space-Dye Vest (30)
8 One Last Time (46)
11 The Dance of Eternity (33)
12 The Spirit Carries On (26)
13 Surrounded (20)
15 Voices (7)
16 Pull Me Under (14)
17 The Mirror (27)
18 Finally Free (19)
19 The Silent Man (66)
20 Illumination Theory (25)
21 Caught In a Web (51)
22 6:00 (34)
24 Scarred (12)
25 Fatal Tragedy (13)
27 Wait For Sleep (44t)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
35 Beyond This Life (24)
36 Strange Deja Vu (18)
37 Our New World (93)
38 Innocence Faded (42)
40 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (35)
41 A View from the Top of the World (49t)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
46 Under a Glass Moon (16)
47 Lie (47t)
48 Erotomania (40)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
56 The Count of Tuscany (10)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
63 Bridges In the Sky (23)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
61 At Wit's End ( 37)
62 Stream of Consciousness (39)
73 As I Am (43)
74 The Root of All Evil(36)
75 The Alien (69)
76 Breaking All Illusions (8)
77 A Nightmare To Remember (49t)
78 Misunderstood (31)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
86 Peruvian Skies (44t)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
90 The Glass Prison (15)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
96 Endless Sacrifice (29)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Highest ranker of
8 One Last Time (46), 1 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52), This Dying Soul (47t), Disappear (41), Overture 1928 (32), Lines In The Sand (28), In the Presence of Enemies (22), Blind Faith (21), In the Name of God (11)
Rated: 58
Not rated: 33
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Breaking All Illusions: 13. Bottom of the the Pantheon, I suspect for longevity reasons. From #13 upwards in my rankings what makes the difference is mainly a matter of personal infatuation, since musically and songwriting-wise all these tunes have climbed the Everest, and how can you say who climbed the Everest more?
Voices: 10. The most intense DT experience.
The Score so far:
2 - Scarred
3 - The Spirit Carries On
4 - Lines in the Sand
5 - In the Presence of Enemies
7 - Misunderstood
9 - Space-Dye Vest
10 - Voices
11 - Beyond This Life
13 - Breaking All Illusions
14 - Stream of Consciousness
16 - Under a Glass Moon
17 - Bridges in the Sky
19 - Illumination Theory
21 - A New Beginning
23 - Disappear
24 - Pull Me Under
25 - Surrounded
26 - Fatal Tragedy
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
31 - Erotomania
32 - Strange Deja-Vu
33 - Surrender to Reason
34 - Take the Time
35 - Finally Free
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
39 - The Count of Tuscany
42 - Another Day
43 - One Last Time
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
49 - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
50 - In the Name of God
54 - Peruvian Skies
55 - The Dance of Eternity
56 - The Bigger Picture
61 - Wait for Sleep
64 - Blind Faith
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
69 - Overture 1928
70 - Innocence Faded
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
76 - Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
77 - At Wit's End
78 - Lie
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
88 - The Mirror
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
91 - 6:00
92 - The Killing Hand
93 - Endless Sacrifice
95 - Barstool Warrior
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 33
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Breaking all illusions was my #22. It ended up being my 2nd favorite song of the Mangini era. Such an amazing piece of work in every single way. The guys still had it in them and were truly rejuvenated. I'm not at all surprised to see it in the top ten.
Voices was my #40. It's a classic, but there is a handful of songs on Awake that I like better. Scarred has always been the better epic in my opinion.
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@ Gregg... SDOIT at #1. How are you and Ale a match!?!?! :lol
I'm not sure what you mean. Didn't Ale rank it somewhere in the 50's?
Exactly... I mean how are you a personality match when musical tastes (at least in this case) are so varied?
Most likely differences in our musical journeys. My love for 6°OIT is rooted in the following: My pre-adolescent years were saturated in classical and orchestral music, my early teens were saturated in 70's art rock, middle teens classic rock, late teens and early twenties were obsessed with metal. 6° is, in my mind, a perfect execution of everything I love in music. It's thematic, bombastic, intimate, angry, haunting, and beautiful by turns. I honestly can't think of anything I'd rather listen to.
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100: Untethered Angel
099: Anna Lee
098: A Savior In the Square
097: Invisible Monster
096: Beyond This Life 72
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
092: The Great Debate 39
091: Caught In a Web 40
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
081: Repentance
080: Wait for Sleep 36
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
075: Ravenskill
074: Sacrified Sons 9
073: 6:00 39
072: Erotomania 32
071: Prophets of War
070: These Walls 16
069: Innocence Faded 27
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
066: Fatal Tragedy 53
065: Another Day 27
064: Pull Me Under 50
063: Disappear 22
062: Peruvian Skies 18
061: Misunderstood 30
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
058: Status Seeker
057: A Rite of Passage
056: A Nightmare to Remember 6
055: Blind Faith 34
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
052: Under a Glass Moon 36
051: Panic Attack 5
050: Wither 49
049: Lifting Shadows Off a Dream 14
048: Transcending Time 42
047:
046: Barstool Warrior 6
045: The Root of All Evil 9
044: Ytse Jam 23
043: The Spirit Carries On 17
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
039: Another Hand - The Killing Hand
038: The Dance of Eternity 5
037: The Bigger Picture 23
036: Lines In the Sand 8
035: Bombay Vindaloo
034: As I Am 9
033: At Wit's End 4
032: Another Won
031: Endless Sacrifice 2
030: Space-Dye Vest spot on
029: Awaken the Master 52
028: Stream of Conciousness 11
027: Honor Thy Father 44
026:
025: Lie 22
024: One Last Time 22
023: In the Name of God 12
022: Finally Free 3
021: Voices 13
020: Breaking All Illusions 13
019:
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
015: The Mirror 12
014: This Dying Soul 33
013: The Glass Prison 2
012: Bridges In the Sky 11
011:
010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
009: Scarred 3
008: Surrounded 12
007: A View From the Top of the World 42
006: In the Presence of Enemies 16
005: Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 4
004: Illumination Theory 21 highest
003: The Count of Tuscany 7
002:
001:
not ranked: 12 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night / Overture 1928 / Strange Deja Vu / Take the Time
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I think which songs are in the Top 6 are fairly obvious at this point, although not the order thereof.
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I get it, tastes and all, but some of the songs that have been left out of some lists has be scratching my head
Did you forget that Stadler exists? :biggrin:
Oh just wait.... :)
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I think which songs are in the Top 6 are fairly obvious at this point, although not the order thereof.
*fingers crossed for Raw Dog*
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I think which songs are in the Top 6 are fairly obvious at this point, although not the order thereof.
True... and for each song that's left off of someone's list, one should get some Arab whipping on the back on a crowded square somewhere in the Middle East. To say the least...
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08 Breaking All Illusions - Had it at #81. Can't say why, because I do dig it. Cool to see a Mangini-era track ranking this high!
07 Voices - Had it at #69, I guess because of the subject matter. What I've learned is that even though Awake is probably my favorite album, it's not necessarily because of the longer pieces! But that doesn't take anything away from this track, which is a monster in its own right.
I think which songs are in the Top 6 are fairly obvious at this point, although not the order thereof.
Indeed! Could an octopus beat the housing market? Will schools prevail over larger cities? Where does weeping factor into all of this? What about the weather?
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I think which songs are in the Top 6 are fairly obvious at this point, although not the order thereof.
*fingers crossed for Raw Dog*
I'm glad you are just crossing your fingers and not holding your breath.
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I think which songs are in the Top 6 are fairly obvious at this point, although not the order thereof.
*fingers crossed for Raw Dog*
I'm glad you are just crossing your fingers and not holding your breath.
I'm sure it will give me arthritis :lol
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
155. Hell's Kitchen
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
146. Disappear
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
142. Ytsejam
139. Panic Attack
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
132. Barstool Warrior
127. Lines In The Sand
125. Stream Of Consciousness
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
118. In The Presence Of Enemies
117. Breaking All Illusions
109. Outcry
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
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100.Scarred Slight chance of making the list at this point
99. No chance of making the list at this point
98. Another Day
97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
95. The Great Debate
94. No chance of making the list at this point
93. No chance of making the list at this point
92. No chance of making the list at this point
91. The Glass Prison
90. On The Backs Of Angels
89. No chance of making the list at this point
88. No chance of making the list at this point
87. Finally Free
86. No chance of making the list at this point
85. Constant Motion
84. Beneath The Surface
83. At Wit's End
82. Peruvian Skies
81. Space Dye Vest
80. The Enemy Inside
79. The Count Of Tuscany Strong chance of making the list at this point
78. Hollow Years
77. Fatal Tragedy Slight chance of making the list at this point
76. The Shattered Fortress
75. No chance of making the list at this point
74. No chance of making the list at this point
73. Lie
72. No chance of making the list at this point
71. No chance of making the list at this point
70. No chance of making the list at this point
69. The Mirror
68. A Nightmare To Remember
67. The Silent Man
66. The Root Of All Evil
65. The Spirit Carries On
64. No chance of making the list at this point
63. No chance of making the list at this point
62. As I Am
61. These Walls
60. No chance of making the list at this point
59. The Gift of Music
58. Illumination Theory
57. The Bigger Picture
56. One Last Time
55. Pale Blue Dot
54. Answering The Call
53. Strong chance of making the list
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
50. No chance of making the list at this point
49. No chance of making the list at this point
48. Endless Sacrifice
47. No chance of making the list at this point
46. A New Beginning
45. No chance of making the list at this point
44. Forsaken
43. A View From The Top Of The World
42. Slim chance of making the list at this point
41. The Looking Glass
40. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
39. No chance of making the list at this point
38. The Dance Of Eternity
37. Beyond This Life
36. New Millenium
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
34. Wait For Sleep
33. Transcending Time
32. Blind Faith
31. The Best Of Times
30. Erotomania
29. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence Strong chance of making the list
28. Our New World
27. In The Name Of God Strong chance of making the list
26. Bridges In The Sky
25. Raise The Knife
24. 6:00
23. I Walk Beside You
22. Slim chance of making the list at this point
21. Sacrificed Sons
20. Take The Time
19. Caught In A Web
18. No chance of making the list at this point
17. Lock to make the list
16. Lock to make the list
15. Under A Glass Moon
14. To Live Forever
13. Lock to make the list
12. Slim chance of making the list
11. Surrounded
10. Lock to make the list
9. Innocence Faded
8. Pull Me Under
7. This Dying Soul
6. Misunderstood
5. This Is The Life
4. Overture 1928
3. Strange Deja Vu
2. Voices Strong chance of making the list
1. No chance of making the list at this point
So, with Breaking All Illusions at 117, I will have at least two songs in the Top 10 that didn't make my list AT ALL.
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Yet another big catch up post for me:
40. Erotomania - 75 - I like it, but it isn't my favorite instrumental.
39. Stream Of Consciousness - 49 - Very epic.
38. Another Day - 41 - Love the saxophone. This one has slipped a bit for me over the years, but it is still great.
37. At Wit's End - 77 - Twas one of my favorites from DOT, but my enjoyment has diminished quite a bit since 2019.
36. The Root Of All Evil - 7 - Hey, another top one for me. This is the first DT song I ever saw live (2005 Gigantour) and has remained a favorite ever since then.
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream - 40 - Lovely and something different for DT.
34. 6:00 - 23 - Would have been top 10 for me 5ish years ago. That drum intro is awesome.
33. The Dance Of Eternity 21 - Epic, but without being too long. This is instrumental perfection.
32. Overture 1928 - 44 - See above. This one should be higher on the list for me.
31. Misunderstood - 59 - I just started to enjoy this one within the past few years.
30. Space-Dye Vest - 34 - Lovely. Hate I missed seeing it on the 2013/2014 tour.
29. Endless Sacrifice - 17 - Was my first favorite DT song and helped lead to me becoming a big fan.
28. Lines In The Sand - NR - Doesn't do it for me. I need to give it another chance.
27. The Mirror - 42 - Awesome rock song.
26. The Spirit Carries On - 4 - The one DT song my wife enjoys. I've always thought this could have been their mega (crossover?) hit song. Maybe it could have been if it had been promoted as such. A huge missed opportunity IMO.
25. Illumination Theory - 28 - The last few minutes of this song are incredible.
24. Beyond This Life - 19 - Hell fucking yeah! What a song.
23. Bridges In The Sky - 39 - One of the best from the MM era. Awesome song to begin a concert with.
22. In The Presence Of Enemies - 9 - The intro of this song is unfuckingbelievable. Certain portions of the song (Dark master of sin) are fairly cringe, but the rest of the song makes up for those portions. I hate they broke the song up on the album.
21. Blind Faith - UR - I just don't get this one.
20. Surrounded - 12 - I love this song so much.
19. Finally Free - 18 - Great ending to a fantastic album.
18. Strange Deja Vu - 10 - This song along with Overture 1928 blew me a way the first time I listened to Scenes. They both still do.
17. Take The Time - 36 - Great song, but it has started to slip for me recently.
16. Under A Glass Moon - 43 - I enjoy it, but it has consistently been my least favorite from Images and Words. Still made it to 43 though.
15. The Glass Prison - 22 - I didn't really care for this song until 5-6 years ago. Now I love it. Rocks my fucking socks off.
14. Pull Me Under - 26 - The hit! The crowd reaction to this song is always fun live. It is impossible not to sing the chorus.
13. Fatal Tragedy - 16 - Fantastic song. The chorus is so catchy.
12. Scarred - 52 - Decent, but not a top tier favorite for me.
11. In The Name Of God - 8 - I recall seeing the song length when I purchased Budokan (I bought that before any of the studio albums when I first got interested in DT) and being put off from listening to it. When I finally did, I was blown away. It has never felt like an epic song and goes by quickly. Hell of a track.
10. The Count Of Tuscany - 20 - I hated this song when it first came out - the lyrics and such were a serious turn off. Finally started to give it a chance again around 2017 and it is now a favorite. The story is ridiculous, but I enjoy it on that level. The music is unbelievable. I love that build up from the dreamy/slow part to where the full band kicks in again. This one retains a sense of melancholy for me as it ended up being the last MP era album track (that'll be changing soon :)).
09. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence - 31 - I've always loved Solitary Shell, but the rest of it didn't do much for me until recent times. It is still growing on me.
08. Breaking All Illusions - 37 - I'm surprised this song rated so highly within the group. I love the riff, lyrics, and the first part of the instrumental section. The second part (after the instrumental "climax") drags for me quite a bit. It is still one of my favorites from the MM era and was awesome live during the 2012 tour.
07. Voices - 62 - I enjoy it, but it isn't to tier for me. Perhaps I need to revisit this song in the near future.
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Looks like I'll end with 85/100
1. Locked
2. Locked
3. Stream of Consciousness
4. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
5. Finally Free
6. Locked
7. Blind Faith
8. Peruvian Skies
9. Space-Dye Vest
10. In the Presence of Enemies
11. Locked
12. Surrender To Reason
13. Panic Attack
14. Locked
15. Breaking All Illusions
16. This is the Life
17. Lines In the Sand
18. Voices
19. Surrounded
20. Strange Deja Vu
21. The Great Debate
22. Disappear
23. Scarred
24. Endless Sacrifice
25. In the Name of God
26. Through Her Eyes
27. At Wit's End
28. Innocence Faded
29. Barstool Warrior
30. Bridges In the Sky
31. Take the Time
32. One Last Time
33. Vacant
34. Beyond This Life
35. Locked
36. The Root of All Evil
37. The Glass Prison
38. No chance. Still don't understand the hate this song gets.
39. Lost Not Forgotten
40. Caught In a Web
41. Our New World
42. Pull Me Under
43. Awaken the Master
44. Answering the Call
45. S2N
46. The Ministry of Lost Souls
47. Constant Motion
48. The Spirit Carries On
49. These Walls
50. To Live Forever
51. Under a Glass Moon
52. No chance
53. The Bigger Picture
54. A View from the Top of the World
55. Fatal Tragedy
56. On the Backs of Angels
57. Lie
58. A New Beginning
59. No chance
60. The Looking Glass
61. The Mirror
62. Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
63. Overture 1928
64. The Dance of Eternity
65. Another Day
66. This Dying Soul
67. Illumination Theory
68. Honor Thy Father
69. Never Enough
70. No chance
71. Afterlife
72. Outcry
73. Wait For Sleep
74. New Millennium
75. 6:00
76. A Fortune in Lies
77. No chance
78. Beneath the Surface
79. No chance
80. The Count of Tuscany
81. No chance
82.No chance
83. The Shattered Fortress
84. The Enemy Inside
85. Thought it would make it
86. The Dark Eternal Night
87. Pale Blue Dot
88. Should be, but it will never make it
89. No chance
90. Sacrificed Sons
91. As I Am
92. A Nightmare To Remember
93. No chance
94. Hell's Kitchen
95. No chance
96. Behind the Veil
97. The Gift of Music
98. Misunderstood
99. No chance
100. No chance
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Breaking All Illusions is a great song and James always was great on it live. Anyway, as our great host ReaperKK said - 8th? really? at least it didn't surprise the song it got a loose inspiration from :D
I ranked it 37, 29 positions lower.
Voices, on the other hand.... I love, love, love this song and it was my number #3! congats for Kev to love it even more than I do :tup
While I did not rank it at the top, Voices is the quintessential example of everything I love about DT. The metal and the prog combined. Wonderful melodies and great vocal lines. Tecnique at the service of the song and not the other way around. There's so much going on! and everything that goes on is wonderful, all the vocal lines, all the heavy parts, all the mellow parts, the bombastic choruses, the lyrics... and for such a wild musical journey, it takes "only" 10 minutes!
The Dark Eternal Night (picking an example a song I dislike) lasts more or less the same, and it's just intro, verse chorus verse chorus, solo (thrown together in LTE mode), chorus and outro. Just a normal song structure, and Voices covers so much ground instead in those 10 minutes.
Voices is a masterpiece, it's one of the main reasons why I love Dream Theater, and it's the perfect explanation why I love these guys.
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So, with Breaking All Illusions at 117, I will have at least two songs in the Top 10 that didn't make my list AT ALL.
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08. Breaking All Illusions (#2) high or cohigh ranker yet again. DC in 2011, I was about ten feet away and fifteen above JP during this song. Damn near divine! :hefdaddy
Dropped two spots from the last countdown.
07. Voices (#55) hasn’t aged well for me over the last few years. Still a great tune.
69/94 ****
Slight catch up
I had In The Name Of God at #50.
It made my Top 50! I missed the ToT tour, so seeing it in 2009 was a highlight for me.[
I saw both tours. Oddly, in 2009, it was not played in Philly, but ended the concert proper the next night in Columbia, MD
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I had In The Name Of God at #50.
It made my Top 50! I missed the ToT tour, so seeing it in 2009 was a highlight for me.[
Oddly, in 2009, it was not played in Philly, but ended the concert proper the next night in Columbia, MD
I remember checking MP.com and seeing that ITNOG was played. I'm pretty sure that was the first time they played it on that tour. I saw them the following night, but my excitement was tempered by the fact that there'd be no way they'll play it twice in a row. But they did!!
In fact, looking at it, we got the exact same setlist, but you got Sacrificed Sons and We got Hollow Years.
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We got 'Hollow Years' that Friday night in Philly. That friend's favorite DT song. :)
'Sacrificed Son' the following night. That friend's favorite DT song. :)
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Voices at 7 is surprising! I love that song, had it at #12 and thought that was higher than most. Glad to see I was wrong!
Breaking All Illusions is such an overrated song for me. I sort of get it, but at the same time, I don't get it at all. It's ok, I had it at #87.
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Voices is my #3 DT song and I think is a masterpiece in every way, including the individual performances, and, still a bit above, THAT JP solo! :heart :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Breaking All Illusions is my #33 and is amazing, for sure! They kind of used Learning to Live as a road map, but did it with a lot of creativity at same time! I love listen to the Breaking the Fourth Wall version, with that big drum sound.
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Voices is my #3 DT song and I think is a masterpiece in every way, including the individual performances, and, still a bit above, THAT JP solo! :heart :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
High five!
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Breaking All Illusions (6) One of my S+tier of DT songs, which means it could have been n. 1 if I had done the ranking on a different day.
Voices (2) For the overwhelming majority of the duration of my DT fandom, this songs was my n. 1. An ultimate DT experience and one of the best James' performances. Along with Scarred, it's a great example of song that feels like a true epic, despite being much shorter. I feel like these two songs just take me for a jorney - the way Voices completely and smoothly changes its mood is but one of the many things that make this song a comlete masterpiece.
My Top 10 is almost complete by now
1. The Killing Hand
2. Voices
3. Scarred
4. The Mirror
5.
6. Breaking of All Illusions
7. Space-Dye Vest
8.
9. The Count of Tuscany
10. Enemy Inside
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Voices is my #3 DT song and I think is a masterpiece in every way, including the individual performances, and, still a bit above, THAT JP solo! :heart :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
High five!
:metal :coolio
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Breaking All Illusions - #2 - basically a quintessential DT song, and I would agree with whoever said it's better than Learning to Live. Just a perfect composition.
DragonAttack :hifive:
Voices - #28 - I like this song a lot, but I'm not too fond of the main vocal melody in the chorus. Otherwise this is great.
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BAI is awesome, best song of the Mangini era easily. I'll get flamed for the Voices ranking; I recognize the artistry of the song but it's just an album I don't enjoy much anymore. Yay samples in a song again :tdwn for the umpteenth time.
3 Under a Glass Moon
4 Breaking all Illusions
5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
7 In the Name of God
8 The Count of Tuscany
9 The Great Debate
11 Outcry
12 Overture 1928
14 Blind Faith
15 Fatal Tragedy
16 One Last Time
18 Illumination Theory
19 Beyond This Life
20 Lost Not Forgotten
21 Surrounded
22 A View From the Top of the World
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
27 Take the Time
28 Fall Into the Light
29 Bridges in the Sky
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
32 Scarred
33 Disappear
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
42 The Root of All Evil
46 Misunderstood
48 A Fortune in Lies
51 Barstool Warrior
52 Our New World
53 At Wit's End
54 Wither
55 The Alien
56 Lifting Shadows off a Dream
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
59 Innocence Faded
61 I Walk Beside You
62 Endless Sacrifice
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
65 Wait for Sleep
66 The Bigger Picture
67 A Nightmare to Remember
68 Sleeping Giant
69 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
70 The Ministry of Lost Souls
71 Pull Me Under
72 The Dance of Eternity
75 Panic Attack
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
80 Strange Deja-Vu
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
88 The Mirror
92 Voices
93 Another Day
95 On the Backs of Angels
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen, These Walls, Caught in a Web, Lie, This Dying Soul, Peruvian Skies, As I Am, Erotomania, Stream of Consciousness, 6:00, Space-Dye Vest, The Spirit Carries On, Lines in the Sand, ITPoE, Finally Free, The Glass Prison
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time, Outcry, Under a Glass Moon
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My top 10 should be filled in by the end.
1. ?
2. ?
3. The Glass Prison
4. SDOIT
5. ?
6. TCOT
7. OTBOA
8. Bridges in the Sky
9. Panic Attack
10. Endless Sacrifice
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I know five of the last six, I think I know the sixth. Of those, they are 10, 13, 16, 17, 53, and 103 on my list.
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My Top 100 thus far
100. One Last Time (46)
99.
98.
97. The Shattered Fortress (79)
96.
95. The Ministry Of Lost Souls (61)
94.
93. Erotomania (40)
92. Strange Déjà vu (18)
91. Overture 1928 (32)
90. The Silent Man (66)
89. Behind The Veil (89) *NAILED IT*
88. ***Top 6*** (probably)
87. Breaking All Illusions (8)
86.
85. Honor Thy Father (71)
84.
83. On The Backs Of Angels (56)
82. Caught In A Web (51)
81.
80. Raise The Knife (65)
79. Fatal Tragedy (13)
78. The Gift Of Music (98)
77.
76.
75. Finally Free (19)
74.
73. Panic Attack (55)
72. The Mirror (27)
71. The Looking Glass (92)
70. The Spirit Carries On (26)
69. New Millennium (87)
68.
67. The Dance Of Eternity (33)
66.
65. Innocence Faded (42)
64. Vacant (97)
63. 6:00 (34)
62. Answering The Call (75)
61. Hell's Kitchen (57)
60. Barstool Warrior (52)
59.
58.
57.
56. Surrender To Reason (83t)
55. The Glass Prison (15)
54. The Dark Eternal Night (70)
53. Stream Of Consciousness (39)
52. Pull Me Under (14)
51. Hollow Years (59)
50. Ytse Jam (67)
49. This Dying Soul (47t)
48. Wait For Sleep (44t)
47. Peruvian Skies (44t)
46.
45. Another Day (38)
44.
43.
42. Surrounded (20)
41. Chosen (DNP)
40. Misunderstood (31)
39.
38. Outcry (58)
37. Fall Into The Light (72)
36. To Live Forever (76)
35. Our New World (93)
34. Space-Dye Vest (30)
33. Illumination Theory (25)
32. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream (35)
31. Disappear (41)
30. The Root Of All Evil (36)
29.
28. As I Am (43)
27. Under A Glass Moon (16)
26. A Nightmare To Remember (50)
25. The Bigger Picture (60)
24. Beneath The Surface (64)
23. In The Name Of God (11)
22. Forsaken (95)
21. These Walls (54)
20. Afterlife (96)
19. I Walk Beside You (80)
18. Sacrificed Sons (63)
17. The Enemy Inside (83t)
16. A Fortune In Lies (78)
15. ***Top 6***
14. The Killing Hand (68)
13. Endless Sacrifice (29)
12. Voices (7)
11. In The Presence Of Enemies (22)
10. Bridges In The Sky (23)
09. Only A Matter Of Time (82)
08. Take The Time (17)
07. ***Top 6***
06. Lines In The Sand (28)
05. The Count Of Tuscany (10)
04. ***Top 6***
03. ***Top 6***
02. ***Top 6***
01. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (9)
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I know five of the last six, I think I know the sixth. Of those, they are 10, 13, 16, 17, 53, and 103 on my list.
The last six? in no particular order: mercy phuck, turtles that dance, F, Vicky, Lucy and close encounters.
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I know five of the last six, I think I know the sixth. Of those, they are 10, 13, 16, 17, 53, and 103 on my list.
The last six? in no particular order: mercy phuck, turtles that dance, F, Vicky, Lucy and close encounters.
:tup
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I know five of the last six, I think I know the sixth. Of those, they are 10, 13, 16, 17, 53, and 103 on my list.
The last six? in no particular order: mercy phuck, turtles that dance, F, Vicky, Lucy and close encounters.
By the elimination method, I know which ones these two are. And yet, I don't get the references. :lol
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Read at your own spoiling risk!
Lucy = Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, one of the many references in Octavarium
Close Encounters of the Third Kind's theme was played live in FII tour as an intro to Trial of Tears
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Read at your own spoiling risk!
Oh, interesting. I though F was Lucy. But I do get what F might also stand for. Nevertheless, we all pretty much know the top six, it's the order that will be fun.
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You have to be sharp to understand what the F is for :neverusethis:
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I know five of the last six, I think I know the sixth. Of those, they are 10, 13, 16, 17, 53, and 103 on my list.
The last six? in no particular order: mercy phuck, turtles that dance, F, Vicky, Lucy and close encounters.
By the elimination method, I know which ones these two are. And yet, I don't get the references. :lol
I didn't get any of the references either, but with the explanation, at least we're on the same page with the last two. ;)
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Again, only if you really want to know
"And I don't need your mercy fuck to get me through the day" = alternate live line during the Another World section of A Change of Seasons
Death is the first dancing turtle = famous mispelling of the Metropolis line
F = the F sharp note that James hit during Learning to Live
Vicky = Victoria = "Victoria watches and thoughtfully smiles", line from Home
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Again, only if you really want to know
"And I don't need your mercy fuck to get me through the day" = alternate live line during the Another World section of A Change of Seasons
Death is the first dancing turtle = famous mispelling of the Metropolis line
F = the F sharp note that James hit during Learning to Live
Vicky = Victoria = "Victoria watches and thoughtfully smiles", line from Home
I knew the first one. We're in lock step with all six, by the way.
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I flipped what I've been doing and am listing the tracks in my top 100. A significant number toward the bottom of the list are different than the consensus, and I didn't rank some that are on the official list. I have 21 songs on my list that aren't in the official top 100. ;D
My Rank - Song Name - (Community Ranking)
1 Home - not yet (top 6?)
2 Metropolis, Pt. 1: the Miracle and the Sleeper - not yet (top 6?)
3 Voices (7)
4 A Change of Seasons - not yet (top 6?)
5 Under a Glass Moon (16)
6 Trial of Tears - not yet (top 6?)
7 Blind Faith (21)
8 In the Name of God (11)
9 Peruvian Skies (44t)
10 Endless Sacrifice (29)
11 Space-Dye Vest (30)
12 Lines In the Sand (28)
13 Pull Me Under (14)
14 Strange Deja Vu (18)
15 Lost Not Forgotten (73)
16 New Millennium (87)
17 Breaking All Illusions (8)
18 Fatal Tragedy (13)
19 The Mirror (27)
20 Lie (47t)
21 Forsaken (95) - I was the high vote for this!
22 Scarred (12)
23 Surrounded (20)
24 Disappear (41)
25 The Glass Prison (15)
26 Take the Time (17)
27 In the Presence of Enemies (22)
28 6:00 (34)
29 Vacant (97)
30 Learning To Live - not yet (top 6?)
31 On the Backs of Angels (56)
32 The Great Debate (53)
33 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (09)
34 Untethered Angel - not yet (probably not)
35 I Walk Beside You (80)
36 Anna Lee - not yet (probably not)
37 Overture 1928 (32)
38 Room 137 - not yet (probably not)
39 Misunderstood (31)
40 The Dance of Eternity (33)
41 A Life Left Behind - not yet (probably not)
42 Speak To Me - not yet (probably not)
43 Wait For Sleep (44t)
44 Through My Words - not yet (probably not)
45 Brother, Can You Hear Me? - not yet (probably not)
46 One Last Time (46)
47 This Dying Soul (47t)
48 Prophets of War - not yet (probably not)
49 Outcry (58)
50 Through Her Eyes (74)
51 Illumination Theory (25)
52 Beneath the Surface (64)
53 Finally Free (19)
54 Beyond This Life (24)
55 The Spirit Carries On (26)
56 Far From Heaven - not yet (probably not)
57 The Ministry of Lost Souls (61)
58 Octavarium - not yet (top 6?)
59 Never Enough (100)
60 Stream of Consciousness (39)
61 Hell's Kitchen (57)
62 Regression - not yet (probably not)
63 Another Day (38)
64 Hollow Years (59)
65 Just Let Me Breathe - not yet (probably not)
66 The Root of All Evil (36)
67 Surrender To Reason (83t)
68 When Your Time Has Come - not yet (probably not)
69 Honor Thy Father (71)
70 Bridges In the Sky (23)
71 The Answer Lies Within - not yet (probably not)
72 Paralyzed - not yet (probably not)
73 Caught In a Web (51)
74 The Bigger Picture (60)
75 Innocence Faded (42)
76 The Dark Eternal Night (70)
77 Erotomania (40)
78 Enigma Machine - not yet (probably not)
79 The Silent Man (66)
80 False Awakening Suite - not yet (probably not)
81 These Walls (54)
82 This is the Life (88)
83 The Looking Glass (92)
84 Constant Motion (86)
85 To Live Forever (76)
86 The Alien (69)
87 Take Away My Pain - not yet (probably not)
88 A Savior In The Square - not yet (probably not)
89 As I Am (43)
90 Viper King - not yet (probably not)
91 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (35)
92 Wither (99)
93 Panic Attack (55)
94 Along For the Ride - not yet (probably not)
95 A Rite of Passage - not yet
96 The Best of Times (77)
97 The Enemy Inside (83t)
98 Build Me Up, Break Me Down - not yet (probably not)
99 A Nightmare To Remember (50)
100 The Shattered Fortress (79)
Songs in the community's Top 100 that didn't make my list:
10. The Count Of Tuscany
37. At Wit's End
49. A View From The Top Of The World
52. Barstool Warrior
62. Pale Blue Dot
63. Sacrificed Sons
65. Raise The Knife
67. Ytse Jam
68. The Killing Hand
72. Fall Into The Light
75. Answering The Call
78. A Fortune In Lies
81. Awaken The Master
82. Only A Matter Of Time
85. Sleeping Giant
89. Behind The Veil
90. Transcending Time
91. A New Beginning
93. Our New World
94. S2N
96. Afterlife
98. The Gift Of Music
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Breaking All Illusions - easily best of MM era. Great track. I ranked it at 17 and a little surprised it is top 10.
Voices - a classic monster track. I ranked at number 6.
Remaining tracks are very obvious. Five are in my own personal top 10 and 4 of those are my top 5. The order is going to be interesting.
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BAI came in at 56. Great chorus but an official ranking of number 8 is absurd to me.
Voices came in at 55. Again, top 10 seems well overachieving for this one.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 Disappear The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84 Stream Of Consciousness
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77 Lines in the Sand
76
75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
73 One Last Time
72 Peruvian Skies
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63 Panic Attack
62 Surrounded
61 On the Backs of Angels
60 Beyond This Life
59
58 Afterlife
57 Caught In A Web
56 Breaking All Illusions
55 Visions
54 The Great Debate
53 A Nightmare to Remember
52 Erotomania
51 Answering the Call
50 The Spirit Carries On
49 Space-Dye Vest
48 The Shattered Fortress
47 Finally Free
46 As I Am
45 Bridges in the Sky
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43
42 Never Enough
41 Wait For Sleep
40
39 Strange Deja Vu
38 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulance
37 The Bigger Picture
36 Outcry
35 Take the Time
34 Lie
33 The Root of All Evil
32 I Walk Beside You
31
30 A View From the Top of the World
29 Surrender to Reason
28 Barstool Warrior
27 Another Day
26 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
25 Endless Sacrifice
24 Innocence Faded
23 Misunderstood
22 Under A Glass Moon
21 In the Presence of Enemies
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18 Pull Me Under
17
16 In the Name of God
15 Fatal Tragedy
14 The Count of Tuscany
13 These Walls
12 At Wit's End
11 The Mirror
10 Scarred
9
8 The Glass Prison
7
6 Blind Faith
5 Illumination Theory
4
3
2 This Dying Soul.
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Breaking All Illusions 32 A great song, suffers a bit from being on a solid album with so many great tracks.
Voices 4 I bought Awake knowing it would clear up the possibility of I&W being a fluke (I wasn't aware of WDaDU). I got 4 songs in and thought that this band was truly on to something. When I got to song #5, whatever expectations I had were blown out of the water. Those 12 songs were leading up to this; this was the pinnacle, this was putting this band on the fast track to legend tier in my mind. All those other bands I listened to could line up for 2nd place.
I have the remaining 6 songs at 2, 8, 9, 26, 27, and 28.
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I have the remaining 6 songs at 2, 8, 9, 26, 27, and 28.
Oh, cool idea! I have the 6 remaining songs at 4, 16, 33, 38, 44, and 51. Just found my new lottery numbers :lol
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I have the final 6 at
1, 2, 4, 6, 23, 77
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08. Breaking All Illusions - (#26)
Best moment was when I saw them front row, right in front of JP, and he sat on his foot rest thing and played the slow part of his solo basically right in front of me. I like the reverse effect on the first verse vocals. I love the FFH reprise being used as the ending.
07. Voices - (#3)
If AMBI was one song, it would be my number 2. Loved it when I first saw Live Scenes. I like KM's keys on this song, they add this sort of cold vibe that fits the mood of the lyrics. Along with Scarred, this is top tier DT for me and I feel it has a lot of what I enjoy about the band.
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I have the final 6 at
1, 2, 4, 6, 23, 77
1,2,4,5,7,13 for me.
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Lost my master copy… I know I’ve got 5 6 then a top 10 the two top twenties and maybe top 40 for the last one.
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1, 2, 3, 6, 12 and 33 for me. And my number 12, I listened to it yesterday and wowzers, I've really overrated it. I could knock 50 spots off and be fine with it.
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1 8 10 14 15 16 for me.
I expect to be in the minority with my 1, but it will give me my 4th high placer.
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@ Gregg... SDOIT at #1. How are you and Ale a match!?!?! :lol
I'm not sure what you mean. Didn't Ale rank it somewhere in the 50's?
I know it's all in jest, but I really never got this "similar musical taste = matching personalities" kind of equivalence.
I straight love and like many posters, never for what they think, mainly for how they think.
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@ Gregg... SDOIT at #1. How are you and Ale a match!?!?! :lol
I'm not sure what you mean. Didn't Ale rank it somewhere in the 50's?
I know it's all in jest, but I really never got this "similar musical taste = matching personalities" kind of equivalence.
I straight love and like many posters, never for what they think, mainly for how they think.
And yet other posters you've got to wondery why they think.
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1 8 10 14 15 16 for me.
I expect to be in the minority with my 1, but it will give me my 4th high placer.
If you are sure your #1 is still on the board, that makes it a top 6. How is that being in the minority? Want to talk about being in the minority, wait until Stadler reveals his #1 :)
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My top 6 is 1, 2, 5, 7, 10 and 15. Not bad after all.
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3, 7, 8, 20, 46 and not ranked.
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Going up to the Top 5 today.
06. Trial Of Tears
Highest Finish: 1 (Fonzie, Toro)
Number of Lists appeared on: 66 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
The first (and maybe only) song to make every list, brilliant song start to finish. Fully deserves it's spot in the top 10.
05. Home
Highest Finish: 1 (energytheif)
Number of Lists appeared on: 65 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Another great song, didn't make number 5 for me but it was up there (maybe even higher if it wasn't for the terrible moaning).
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Trial of Tears is awesome all the way through. Definitely a top 5 song for me and worthy of this finish.
Home, well, I think it’s a little overrated. Kind of a messy song that doesn’t do a lot for me, though the intro was pretty unique and sets a nice tone for the second half of the album.
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Trial of Tears # 35 for me. Really well composed piece. The only thing that drags it down a bit for me is the not-so-memorable melodies.
Home #14 for me. Great song from beginning to end. Great sing-along chorus too.
1. Locked
2. Locked
3. Stream of Consciousness
4. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
5. Finally Free
6. Locked
7. Blind Faith
8. Peruvian Skies
9. Space-Dye Vest
10. In the Presence of Enemies
11. Locked
12. Surrender To Reason
13. Panic Attack
14. Home
15. Breaking All Illusions
16. This is the Life
17. Lines In the Sand
18. Voices
19. Surrounded
20. Strange Deja Vu
21. The Great Debate
22. Disappear
23. Scarred
24. Endless Sacrifice
25. In the Name of God
26. Through Her Eyes
27. At Wit's End
28. Innocence Faded
29. Barstool Warrior
30. Bridges In the Sky
31. Take the Time
32. One Last Time
33. Vacant
34. Beyond This Life
35. Trial of Tears
36. The Root of All Evil
37. The Glass Prison
38. No chance. Still don't understand the hate this song gets.
39. Lost Not Forgotten
40. Caught In a Web
41. Our New World
42. Pull Me Under
43. Awaken the Master
44. Answering the Call
45. S2N
46. The Ministry of Lost Souls
47. Constant Motion
48. The Spirit Carries On
49. These Walls
50. To Live Forever
51. Under a Glass Moon
52. No chance
53. The Bigger Picture
54. A View from the Top of the World
55. Fatal Tragedy
56. On the Backs of Angels
57. Lie
58. A New Beginning
59. No chance
60. The Looking Glass
61. The Mirror
62. Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
63. Overture 1928
64. The Dance of Eternity
65. Another Day
66. This Dying Soul
67. Illumination Theory
68. Honor Thy Father
69. Never Enough
70. No chance
71. Afterlife
72. Outcry
73. Wait For Sleep
74. New Millennium
75. 6:00
76. A Fortune in Lies
77. No chance
78. Beneath the Surface
79. No chance
80. The Count of Tuscany
81. No chance
82.No chance
83. The Shattered Fortress
84. The Enemy Inside
85. Thought it would make it
86. The Dark Eternal Night
87. Pale Blue Dot
88. Should be, but it will never make it
89. No chance
90. Sacrificed Sons
91. As I Am
92. A Nightmare To Remember
93. No chance
94. Hell's Kitchen
95. No chance
96. Behind the Veil
97. The Gift of Music
98. Misunderstood
99. No chance
100. No chance
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Home is amazing, probably a top-5 DT chorus AND keyboard-guitar solo trade-off. Trial of Tears: I appreciate some of this song, but 13 minutes is a loooooong time to stay at that tempo. Also not a fan of the way James says "it's rainen" over and over again. If it had been "rainING" it would be less grating on the ears. Cool guitar solo. Breaking the Fourth Wall is the best version for me. Also, the only song to make every list? Please n . . . . .
3 Under a Glass Moon
4 Breaking all Illusions
5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
7 In the Name of God
8 The Count of Tuscany
9 The Great Debate
11 Outcry
12 Overture 1928
14 Blind Faith
15 Fatal Tragedy
16 One Last Time
17 Home
18 Illumination Theory
19 Beyond This Life
20 Lost Not Forgotten
21 Surrounded
22 A View From the Top of the World
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
27 Take the Time
28 Fall Into the Light
29 Bridges in the Sky
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
32 Scarred
33 Disappear
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
42 The Root of All Evil
46 Misunderstood
48 A Fortune in Lies
51 Barstool Warrior
52 Our New World
53 At Wit's End
54 Wither
55 The Alien
56 Lifting Shadows off a Dream
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
59 Innocence Faded
61 I Walk Beside You
62 Endless Sacrifice
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
65 Wait for Sleep
66 The Bigger Picture
67 A Nightmare to Remember
68 Sleeping Giant
69 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
70 The Ministry of Lost Souls
71 Pull Me Under
72 The Dance of Eternity
75 Panic Attack
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
80 Strange Deja-Vu
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
88 The Mirror
92 Voices
93 Another Day
94 Trial of Tears
95 On the Backs of Angels
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen, These Walls, Caught in a Web, Lie, This Dying Soul, Peruvian Skies, As I Am, Erotomania, Stream of Consciousness, 6:00, Space-Dye Vest, The Spirit Carries On, Lines in the Sand, ITPoE, Finally Free, The Glass Prison
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time, Outcry, Under a Glass Moon
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I'll be very surprised if ToT is the ONLY song to receive votes from all 66 participants. But then again, this is DTF. :lol
ToT... 31 for me. It's great, but not Top 6 great.
Home ... 27. Ditto. But it's got WOMP WOMP.
Who's the joker that left Home off their list. C'mon... fess up!
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Home's a really good tune although I am surprised at it finishing number five!
Trial of Tears is just majestic and the kind of material I wish they'd write more of.
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I didn't expect Trial of Tears to be this high. I like it, but I've never been crazy about it. I echo the sentiment that 'It's rainèn' over and over isn't all that great to listen to. The solo section is pretty awesome.
Home is one of their very best. It soon grew out to be my favorite song from SFAM, but I have definitely overplayed it throughout the years. Especially the LSFNY version.
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I'll be very surprised if ToT is the ONLY song to receive votes from all 66 participants. But then again, this is DTF. :lol
ToT... 31 for me. It's great, but not Top 6 great.
Home ... 27. Ditto. But it's got WOMP WOMP.
Who's the joker that left Home off their list. C'mon... fess up!
Well it might not be the only, I haven't read ahead to see how many people voted for the last 4.
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Trial of tears was my #18. One of the more unique epics. It's moody, it's melancholic, and it occasionally rocks out. One of the several songs on Falling into infinity that I truly love. Seeing this live in 2014 was special, James nailed it.
Home was my #41. A great song from my favorite Dream Theater album. Though I did rank quite a few SFAM songs above it, it's still brilliant.
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I'll be very surprised if ToT is the ONLY song to receive votes from all 66 participants. But then again, this is DTF. :lol
ToT... 31 for me. It's great, but not Top 6 great.
Home ... 27. Ditto. But it's got WOMP WOMP.
Who's the joker that left Home off their list. C'mon... fess up!
They already confessed, it was HOF! *Dramatic sound*
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Trial Of Tears - 23
Definitely a very good song, but it's missing that certain something that prevents it from being even higher on my ranking. Great chorus though.
Home - 15
WOMP WOMP. Truly a great song, and one of the many highlights on SFAM. Lots of cool riffs and melodies.
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I'll be very surprised if ToT is the ONLY song to receive votes from all 66 participants. But then again, this is DTF. :lol
Well, out of the Top 4, one song didn't make my list, so that leaves only three other possibilities for 66 votes.
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
155. Hell's Kitchen
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
146. Disappear
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
142. Ytsejam
139. Panic Attack
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
132. Barstool Warrior
127. Lines In The Sand
125. Stream Of Consciousness
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
118. In The Presence Of Enemies
117. Breaking All Illusions
109. Outcry
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
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100.Scarred
99. No chance of making the list at this point
98. Another Day
97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
95. The Great Debate
94. No chance of making the list at this point
93. No chance of making the list at this point
92. No chance of making the list at this point
91. The Glass Prison
90. On The Backs Of Angels
89. No chance of making the list at this point
88. No chance of making the list at this point
87. Finally Free
86. No chance of making the list at this point
85. Constant Motion
84. Beneath The Surface
83. At Wit's End
82. Peruvian Skies
81. Space Dye Vest
80. The Enemy Inside
79. The Count Of Tuscany
78. Hollow Years
77. Fatal Tragedy
76. The Shattered Fortress
75. No chance of making the list at this point
74. No chance of making the list at this point
73. Lie
72. No chance of making the list at this point
71. No chance of making the list at this point
70. No chance of making the list at this point
69. The Mirror
68. A Nightmare To Remember
67. The Silent Man
66. The Root Of All Evil
65. The Spirit Carries On
64. No chance of making the list at this point
63. No chance of making the list at this point
62. As I Am
61. These Walls
60. No chance of making the list at this point
59. The Gift of Music
58. Illumination Theory
57. The Bigger Picture
56. One Last Time
55. Pale Blue Dot
54. Answering The Call
53. Trial Of Tears Strong chance of making the list
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
50. No chance of making the list at this point
49. No chance of making the list at this point
48. Endless Sacrifice
47. No chance of making the list at this point
46. A New Beginning
45. No chance of making the list at this point
44. Forsaken
43. A View From The Top Of The World
42. Slim chance of making the list at this point
41. The Looking Glass
40. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
39. No chance of making the list at this point
38. The Dance Of Eternity
37. Beyond This Life
36. New Millenium
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
34. Wait For Sleep
33. Transcending Time
32. Blind Faith
31. The Best Of Times
30. Erotomania
29. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
28. Our New World
27. In The Name Of God
26. Bridges In The Sky
25. Raise The Knife
24. 6:00
23. I Walk Beside You
22. Slim chance of making the list at this point
21. Sacrificed Sons
20. Take The Time
19. Caught In A Web
18. No chance of making the list at this point
17. Lock to make the list
16. Lock to make the list
15. Under A Glass Moon
14. To Live Forever
13. Home Lock to make the list
12. Slim chance of making the list
11. Surrounded
10. Lock to make the list
9. Innocence Faded
8. Pull Me Under
7. This Dying Soul
6. Misunderstood
5. This Is The Life
4. Overture 1928
3. Strange Deja Vu
2. Voices
1. No chance of making the list at this point
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I'm surprised you have 3 "locks" and 3 "slim". The top 4 is a foregone conclusion.
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Trial of Tears was my number 9. A totally awesome song from a not as awesome album. Great composition from start to finish with great contributions by everyone. So glad this got a mention by everyone as it is soo fricking good. Love the small soundbits and percussion sounds that add soo much to the feeling especially in the Wasteland....
Home ended up at spot 14. One of a bunch of highlights on SFAM. Definetely one of Dream Theaters many masterpieces.... moans and all
My ranking so far
1 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9)
5 Take the Time (17)
6 Another Day (38)
7 Space-Dye Vest (30)
8 One Last Time (46)
9 Trial of Tears (6)
11 The Dance of Eternity (33)
12 The Spirit Carries On (26)
13 Surrounded (20)
14 Home (5)
15 Voices (7)
16 Pull Me Under (14)
17 The Mirror (27)
18 Finally Free (19)
19 The Silent Man (66)
20 Illumination Theory (25)
21 Caught In a Web (51)
22 6:00 (34)
24 Scarred (12)
25 Fatal Tragedy (13)
27 Wait For Sleep (44t)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
35 Beyond This Life (24)
36 Strange Deja Vu (18)
37 Our New World (93)
38 Innocence Faded (42)
40 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (35)
41 A View from the Top of the World (49t)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
46 Under a Glass Moon (16)
47 Lie (47t)
48 Erotomania (40)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
56 The Count of Tuscany (10)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
63 Bridges In the Sky (23)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
61 At Wit's End ( 37)
62 Stream of Consciousness (39)
73 As I Am (43)
74 The Root of All Evil(36)
75 The Alien (69)
76 Breaking All Illusions (8)
77 A Nightmare To Remember (49t)
78 Misunderstood (31)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
86 Peruvian Skies (44t)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
90 The Glass Prison (15)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
96 Endless Sacrifice (29)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Highest ranker of
8 One Last Time (46), 1 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52), This Dying Soul (47t), Disappear (41), Overture 1928 (32), Lines In The Sand (28), In the Presence of Enemies (22), Blind Faith (21), In the Name of God (11)
Rated: 60
Not rated: 33
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Trial of Tears - 6
Hey! I nailed the aggregate again! Truly a wonderful song from beginning to end and definitely the highlight of FII
Home - 77
And there it is. The single most overrated song in the DT catalog. I love the instrumental second half, which is the only reason it made the list at all. But I find the first half to be a bit of a plodding, slogfest. But I still manage to get into the spirit of things whenever they do it live.
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Trial of Tears - 6
Hey! I nailed the aggregate again! Truly a wonderful song from beginning to end and definitely the highlight of FII
Home - 77
And there it is. The single most overrated song in the DT catalog. I love the instrumental second half, which is the only reason it made the list at all. But I find the first half to be a bit of a plodding, slogfest. But I still manage to get into the spirit of things whenever they do it live.
My number 103 says "hold my beer". ;D ;D :heart
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1 8 10 14 15 16 for me.
I expect to be in the minority with my 1, but it will give me my 4th high placer.
If you are sure your #1 is still on the board, that makes it a top 6. How is that being in the minority? Want to talk about being in the minority, wait until Stadler reveals his #1 :)
yeah, absolutely see your point!
I figured my number one wasn't going to be 'the most popular number one' is what I was drunkenly trying to articulate, lol.
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6 Trial of Tears - I was right with the consensus on this one, # 6 for me. Just a gorgeous, beautiful song.
5 Home - I love it, just not quite as much as the rest of you. It came in at # 19 for me. BTW, cheers to DT for figuring out a way to bring the WOMP WOMP from Tainted Love into a prog song.
And with that, the Top 4 will be my top 4, in some order.
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Trial of Tears is probably my number one, but I certainly won't complain about finishing at six!
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06. Trial Of Tears (#45) I like the NY chorus. I didn't own FII until after the '08 tour. When MP was in front of his drum kit playing chimes and such at the beginning of the encore, I thought they were going to play 'Xanadu'. :lol :lol
05. Home (#60) a highlight watching JP during the anniversary tour.
71/96 ****
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Trial of Tears- #7 on my list. Just an absolute stunner of a song start to finish. I'm particularly fond of the vocal section right after the solo leading into the last chorus.
Home- I was just a touch lower than the consensus #15 on my list. All hail the WOMP WOMP, a monster of a song. Love the chorus, and I've always liked how the (great) guitar solo transitions directly into the little lead line used repeatedly to feed into the chorus.
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Tears - 4
Home - 22
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There’s a subtlety about the ensemble playing in ToT that is gorgeous.
There are times I want to wrestle the guitar out of JP ‘s hands, and tell him to chill the fuck out, but then you get a performance like in BtFW and all is well in the world. So good. My number 1.
Home is pretty good, but it doesn’t have the same dynamic and emotional range.
My number 10.
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Big catch-up day for me.
13. Fatal Tragedy - Just an excellent song from the first moments to the last. I had it at #10.
12. Scarred - My favorite song on Awake by a pretty good margin. I LOVE the bass intro and the changing moods of the song. I had it at #7.
11. In the Name of God - This song was released in the midst of a very chaotic time in my life, and it took me a while to warm up to it, but holy hell! I had it at #8.
10. The Count of Tuscany - Gotta say I'm a little surprised to see this this high. It's really good, but it's not without its faults. I had it at #16.
9. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence - I REALLY don't get some of the absolute panning of this piece. It's not perfect, but it's pretty damn close. I don't consider it a single song, but taken as a whole, I had it at #4.
8. Breaking All Illusions - Hands down the best song on ADTOE. I had it at #12.
7. Voices - I don't love it as much as Scarred, and I didn't initially care for it, but it still came in at #20 for me.
6. Trial of Tears - A nice song (and maybe the best on a mediocre album), but #6 is absurdly high. Not a surprise, though, given where it ranked last time, but I don't get the devotion this song gets. I had it at #52, which makes it the second top 20 song not in my top 50 (UAGM being the other).
5. Home - Such a perfect way to write a "Metropolis Part 2" but not call it that. An absolute epic. I had it at #6.
Rankings of these songs compared to last time.
13. Fatal Tragedy – 18 (+5)
12. Scarred – 9 (-3)
11. In the Name of God – 11 (+0)
10. The Count of Tuscany – 14 (+4)
9. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence – 12 (+2)
8. Breaking All Illusions – 6 (-2)
7. Voices – 5 (-2)
6. Trial of Tears – 7 (+1)
5. Home – 8 (-3)
Not surprisingly, very little movement, and there won't be much (if any) movement with the final 4, which is the same final 4 as last time (and my top 3 and #5).
I'll save the album rankings for the end, but everything is locked.
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Trial of Tears - #46 - like but don't love it. Surprised it's this high. I agree with whoever said 13 minutes is a long time to stay in this tempo.
Home - #20 - this song slaps. It's only this low because DT has a lot of great songs. I could see it rising higher next time I make my list.
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Home got robbed. Should have been WAY higher. :metal I'm proud to be the #1 vote. My favourite DT song of all time.
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Home got robbed. Should have been WAY higher. :metal I'm proud to be the #1 vote. My favourite DT song of all time.
It is physically impossible for it to be WAY higher.
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Lines, take it higher!
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06. Trial Of Tears
Didn't expect this one so high, but I'm not gonna complain, and I figured it would have been FII's best ranking song. It was my 15, 9 positions lower, and I remember listening to it recently and being floored by it. So atmospheric, moody, painting a scene with music, without the need to use "too many notes" so to speak, all in all one of their best songs of the '90s and I definitively wish and hope they do something like this on the next album.
05. Home
So close, it was my number 7. One of the crowning masterpiece of their "Mona Lisa" (random thought - I reserve the doubt to think that in Blind Faith "I painted my own Mona Lisa" is a reference to SFAM), a fun song to sing or hum along to (wha wha! wha wha!) and a bombastic chorus. The reprise of the Metropolis theme is fantastic. In retrospect, the sex noises are a bit cringey but whatever, this song rules and is probably the one that works most as an hypothetical "Metropolis pt. 2 as a single song", because of the musical and lyrical reprises.
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I love Home but do not like listen to the moan-part... the version on Greatest Hit I listen the most.
Only 26 / 11 / 2 and 1 left...
100: Untethered Angel
099: Anna Lee
098: A Savior In the Square
097: Invisible Monster
096: Beyond This Life 72
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
092: The Great Debate 39
091: Caught In a Web 40
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
081: Repentance
080: Wait for Sleep 36
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
075: Ravenskill
074: Sacrified Sons 9
073: 6:00 39
072: Erotomania 32
071: Prophets of War
070: These Walls 16
069: Innocence Faded 27
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
066: Fatal Tragedy 53
065: Another Day 27
064: Pull Me Under 50
063: Disappear 22
062: Peruvian Skies 18
061: Misunderstood 30
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
058: Status Seeker
057: A Rite of Passage
056: A Nightmare to Remember 6
055: Blind Faith 34
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
052: Under a Glass Moon 36
051: Panic Attack 5
050: Wither 49
049: Lifting Shadows Off a Dream 14
048: Transcending Time 42
047: Home 42
046: Barstool Warrior 6
045: The Root of All Evil 9
044: Ytse Jam 23
043: The Spirit Carries On 17
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
039: Another Hand - The Killing Hand
038: The Dance of Eternity 5
037: The Bigger Picture 23
036: Lines In the Sand 8
035: Bombay Vindaloo
034: As I Am 9
033: At Wit's End 4
032: Another Won
031: Endless Sacrifice 2
030: Space-Dye Vest spot on
029: Awaken the Master 52
028: Stream of Conciousness 11
027: Honor Thy Father 44
026:
025: Lie 22
024: One Last Time 22
023: In the Name of God 12
022: Finally Free 3
021: Voices 13
020: Breaking All Illusions 13
019: Trial of Tears 14
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
015: The Mirror 12
014: This Dying Soul 33
013: The Glass Prison 2
012: Bridges In the Sky 11
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010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
009: Scarred 3
008: Surrounded 12
007: A View From the Top of the World 42
006: In the Presence of Enemies 16
005: Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 4
004: Illumination Theory 21 highest
003: The Count of Tuscany 7
002:
001:
not ranked: 12 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night / Overture 1928 / Strange Deja Vu / Take the Time
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Trial of Tears (my #7). Is there a Top 10 DT song that isn't a masterpiece? ToT deserves all the praise and I would highlight the extremely tasty and cool grooves MP/JM played on all the song and that keyboad solo by Derek, with that AMAZING funky rhythm guitar by JP.
Home (my # 28). Love the intro, the killer soloing and the outro. I kind of "forgive" those TOOL's 46 & 2 very inspired bass lines, since I think JM took them and managed to perfected them. Amazing song!
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Trial of Tears - 6
Hey! I nailed the aggregate again! Truly a wonderful song from beginning to end and definitely the highlight of FII
Home - 77
And there it is. The single most overrated song in the DT catalog. I love the instrumental second half, which is the only reason it made the list at all. But I find the first half to be a bit of a plodding, slogfest. But I still manage to get into the spirit of things whenever they do it live.
Knowing how you despise Home (or I guess the first half of it), I was surprised to see it make your list. Funny that you nailed ToT for the correct position. After a couple close calls, I ranked Home exactly at the aggregate for the first time. :lol
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Trial of Tears: 6. A song, a painting, a movie, and a poem in the same package.
Home: 51. Great riff, great lick, great chorus.
The Score so far:
2 - Scarred
3 - The Spirit Carries On
4 - Lines in the Sand
5 - In the Presence of Enemies
6 - Trial of Tears
7 - Misunderstood
9 - Space-Dye Vest
10 - Voices
11 - Beyond This Life
13 - Breaking All Illusions
14 - Stream of Consciousness
16 - Under a Glass Moon
17 - Bridges in the Sky
19 - Illumination Theory
21 - A New Beginning
23 - Disappear
24 - Pull Me Under
25 - Surrounded
26 - Fatal Tragedy
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
31 - Erotomania
32 - Strange Deja-Vu
33 - Surrender to Reason
34 - Take the Time
35 - Finally Free
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
39 - The Count of Tuscany
42 - Another Day
43 - One Last Time
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
49 - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
50 - In the Name of God
51 - Home
54 - Peruvian Skies
55 - The Dance of Eternity
56 - The Bigger Picture
61 - Wait for Sleep
64 - Blind Faith
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
69 - Overture 1928
70 - Innocence Faded
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
76 - Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
77 - At Wit's End
78 - Lie
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
88 - The Mirror
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
91 - 6:00
92 - The Killing Hand
93 - Endless Sacrifice
95 - Barstool Warrior
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 33
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Trial of Tears - 6
Hey! I nailed the aggregate again! Truly a wonderful song from beginning to end and definitely the highlight of FII
Home - 77
And there it is. The single most overrated song in the DT catalog. I love the instrumental second half, which is the only reason it made the list at all. But I find the first half to be a bit of a plodding, slogfest. But I still manage to get into the spirit of things whenever they do it live.
Knowing how you despise Home (or I guess the first half of it), I was surprised to see it make your list. Funny that you nailed ToT for the correct position. After a couple close calls, I ranked Home exactly at the aggregate for the first time. :lol
“Despise” is a very strong term. The first half is just kind of “there” and I really don’t get what the big deal is. It just seems like such a “one note” chugga chugga for a band like DT and it feels like something that I’ve heard done so much by so many other bands. It’s almost cliche I guess.
It’s ok. I just don’t get the hype.
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Trial of Tears - a classic song. Awesome it made every list but also surprising, since so many don't seem to regard the album it's on it feels like a song that could be easy to forget. Not going to dwell on FII which overall I love but always amazed me that the album can begin with what I consider DTs worst song and end with one of their best. My rank 7.
Home - nailed it!! Also my number 5. I was totally blown away the first time I heard this track, such a great memory. Yes, has a strong TOOL influence but enough of everything else which makes DT great.
3 of my top 4 remain. Overall will end up 90/10.
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25. Illumination Theory (91st) DREAM THEATER, IF YOU'RE READING THIS, DO MORE STUFF IN THE VEIN OF THE LAST FEW MINUTES OF THIS SONG. SO GOOD.
24. Beyond This Life (88th) I'm a SFAM hater, what can I say? It's an okay song though.
23. Bridges In The Sky (8th) This song could be top 5 but the intro is too long, it's otherwise a stellar song. When JLB sings "crossing bridges in the sky", it's so good.
22. In The Presence Of Enemies (28th) Cool epic on a weird album. I don't like the Dark Master part. Everything else is good. Odd song for DT, though.
21. Blind Faith (42nd) Easily the worst track of SDOIT but still just fine.
20. Surrounded (25th) What a lovely song. Just, so bouncy but then a bit serious. DT does this style of song nicely.
19. Finally Free (76th) SFAM, yeah....
18. Strange Deja Vu (89th) Lol. The "uncanny strange deja vu" does pop into my mind at times.
17. Take The Time (19th) The energy in this song is really vibrant. JLB is having fun and the music is good.
16. Under A Glass Moon (67th) It's a fine song, with a cool intro. It's always been the weakest or second weakest track on IaW to me, though.
15. The Glass Prison (3rd) This is 15th and I am shocked. I know some of the songs remaining, but I thought this was one of the most favored songs. Interesting. Anyway, this song is just pure gas for a long time.
14. Pull Me Under (77th) This and UAGM are fine songs, but they can swap being the worst or 2nd worst on the album, but they have stiff competition. Also surprised this is so high, is it because it's their most famous song?
13. Fatal Tragedy (90th) What a canyon between my ranking and the consensus. Yeah, it's a SFAM song, for some reason that album doesn't gel with me.
12. Scarred (69th) It's a fine song, but I often forget how it even sounds when I see it talked about.
11. In The Name Of God (13th) Hell yeah. I avoided this song for a while when this album was the new stuff, IDK why, I just was loving the rest of the album and this was the last song. It is pretty much flawless. I love the choir at the end, subtle enough to enjoy (and JLB's screaming as well).
10. The Count Of Tuscany (6th) This (and several other songs) are what DT do best in the modern era (I am thinking post-8VM). You can have the metal in "prog metal" but don't leave behind the prog, or the beautiful melodies and tight compositions. The intro might be a top 5, maybe a top 3 DT intro, musically speaking. The ending is great, it's fun to sing and play on the acoustic (capo on 4th fret).
09. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (4th) I hate ranking this as a single song. Like others, this is a collection of 8 different ideas/tracks/songs, but they're all great songs (maybe besides Goodnight Kiss, that one is decent). But since we have to bow to the wishes of the almighty band, here we are. Not my actual 4th favorite, but yeah, each part is a great picture of different mental illnesses. Favorites include Solitary Shell, The Test..., and Losing Time.
08. Breaking All Illusions (11th) 3rd best song from the MM era. It just slaps, and it does it better than Learning to Live.
07. Voices (40th) Excellent song, but 7th?! Wow. But I think I get it, it's not a prog epic but an emotional song with a lot of good stuff.
06. Trial Of Tears (31st) Great song from a weird era. Not on the hype train to be 6th best, that is pretty mind-blowing to me.
05. Home (65th) I don't get why people rate this so highly. I deduced it would be in the top 6, and I gave it a listen today and...yeah, there is some powerful music happening there, I can kinda see it being a big hit, but to make top 5, I don't know what I am missing.
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06. Trial of Tears - (#16)
This was my favorite song when I first got into the band. It's gone down a bit, but that's only because I discovered other songs I enjoy much more. I still love it, and I hope to get to see it one day. I love the opening atmosphere with the guitar and bass. The calm verse is amazing. I also enjoy Derek's solo. The Wasteland is my favorite part with how it builds into the sort of uplifting outro.
05. Home - (#14)
Same as the above. Although I got to see it 4 times in two different forms. The first was at Gigantour, which I barely remember. The 2nd when they opened for Maiden, it was the shortened version (I also found a bootleg of this show, so it's awesome to get to listen to the exact show I saw). The last time was for the Distant Scenes tour, which I went to two dates. I like the Metropolis references, and I consider this the main high of SFAM.
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06. Trial Of Tears
Highest Finish: 1 (Fonzie, Toro)
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05. Home
Highest Finish: 1 (energytheif)
Number of Lists appeared on: 65 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had Trial Of Tears at #30.
I feel like this should be higher on my list, but I'm not sure what I'd bump. This is a great song, but I've never considered it a Top 20 DT song.
I had Home as Not Rated.
Not sure there's a more mundane and boring song in their catalog for me. The middle eastern flair at the beginning is an instant turn off. The last 30-45 seconds are the only redeeming part of this song.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 6:00 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 The Root Of All Evil Transcending Time
95 Lie Behind The Veil
94 New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Glass Prison The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 Zydar The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot As I Am
84 Misunderstood
83 The Mirror
82 Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
81 Home
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78 Stream Of Consciousness
77 A Nightmare To Remember
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72 Beyond This Life
71 Pull Me Under
70 One Last Time
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58 Wait For Sleep
57 Illumination Theory
56 The Spirit Carries On
55 Under A Glass Moon
54 Barstool Warrior
53
52 Finally Free
51 Erotomania
50 In The Name Of God
49 Strange Deja Vu
48 Bridges In The Sky
47 Blind Faith
46
45 Overture 1928
44 Panic Attack
43 Innocence Faded
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39 A View From The Top Of The World
38 At Wits End
37 Fall Into The Light
36 In The Presence Of Enemies
35 The Gift Of Music
34 The Dance Of Eternity
33 Peruvian Skies
32 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
31 Ytse Jam
30 Trial Of Tears
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27 Voices
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25 Surrounded
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20 This Dying Soul
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15 Fatal Tragedy
14 The Best Of Times
13 Endless Sacrifice
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10 Take The Time
9 Breaking All Illusions
8 Lines In The Sand
7 Disappear
6 The Count Of Tuscany
5 Space Dye Vest
4 The Killing Hand
3 Scarred
2
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76-20
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Trial of Tears came in at 59. Just never loved it as much as most, but it's still fantastic.
Home came in at 9. Killer song.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 Disappear The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84 Stream Of Consciousness
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77 Lines in the Sand
76
75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
73 One Last Time
72 Peruvian Skies
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63 Panic Attack
62 Surrounded
61 On the Backs of Angels
60 Beyond This Life
59 Trial of Tears
58 Afterlife
57 Caught In A Web
56 Breaking All Illusions
55 Visions
54 The Great Debate
53 A Nightmare to Remember
52 Erotomania
51 Answering the Call
50 The Spirit Carries On
49 Space-Dye Vest
48 The Shattered Fortress
47 Finally Free
46 As I Am
45 Bridges in the Sky
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43
42 Never Enough
41 Wait For Sleep
40
39 Strange Deja Vu
38 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulance
37 The Bigger Picture
36 Outcry
35 Take the Time
34 Lie
33 The Root of All Evil
32 I Walk Beside You
31
30 A View From the Top of the World
29 Surrender to Reason
28 Barstool Warrior
27 Another Day
26 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
25 Endless Sacrifice
24 Innocence Faded
23 Misunderstood
22 Under A Glass Moon
21 In the Presence of Enemies
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18 Pull Me Under
17
16 In the Name of God
15 Fatal Tragedy
14 The Count of Tuscany
13 These Walls
12 At Wit's End
11 The Mirror
10 Scarred
9 Home
8 The Glass Prison
7
6 Blind Faith
5 Illumination Theory
4
3
2 This Dying Soul.
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Voices is similar to Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, in that I've always loved the song, but it has grown on me much more in recent years. It's got such a dark, rich atmosphere, with stellar performances from every band member. What I love most about this song, though, is the lyrics. These lyrics speak to me on a very deep and personal level, possibly more than any other song I've ever known. To call this song a masterpiece would be an understatement. I could say #7 is too low for this ranking, but honestly my ranking at #4 doesn't do it enough justice, either. So thank you, Kev, for putting this song where it belongs.
Oh, and Breaking All Illusions, Trial of Tears, and Home are pretty cool, too.
3. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (+3)
4. Voices (+3)
5. The Count of Tuscany (+0)
6. Illumination Theory (-2)
7. Disappear (+1)
8. Blind Faith (+5)
9. The Glass Prison (+0)
10. The Best of Times (-7)
11. In the Presence of Enemies (+3)
12. A Nightmare to Remember (-1)
13. Erotomania (-1)
14. Space-Dye Vest (+5)
15. Misunderstood (+1)
16. Finally Free (-6)
17. This Dying Soul (+10)
18. The Shattered Fortress (+6)
19. Trial of Tears (+1)
20. Breaking All Illusions (-2)
21. The Ministry of Lost Souls (-4)
22. The Spirit Carries On (-7)
23. The Silent Man (+0)
24. The Dark Eternal Night (+9)
25. Beyond This Life (+3)
27. In the Name of God (+8)
29. Lines in the Sand (+16)
30. Hell's Kitchen (-8)
32. A View From the Top of the World
33. Surrounded (-12)
34. Outcry (+36)
35. Constant Motion (+29)
36. Fatal Tragedy (+15)
37. A New Beginning (-7)
38. The Great Debate (+0)
39. Pale Blue Dot (-8)
40. Sleeping Giant
41. Endless Sacrifice (+21)
42. The Root of All Evil (-10)
43. Home (-17)
46. Fall Into The Light (-10)
47. Barstool Warrior (-13)
48. The Bigger Picture (+0)
49. The Mirror (+9)
51. Ytse Jam (+4)
52. These Walls (+31)
56. Bridges in the Sky (-10)
58. S2N (+1)
59. The Enemy Inside (-10)
61. Awaken the Master
63. The Gift of Music (-2)
64. As I Am (+16)
65. Strange Deja Vu (+13)
66. Stream of Consciousness (-16)
67. Panic Attack (-15)
68. On the Backs of Angels (+20)
69. 6:00 (+24)
70. Another Day (-27)
71. Transcending Time
73. At Wit's End (-7)
75. Pull Me Under (-1)
77. Hollow Years (-2)
78. The Killing Hand (-37)
80. Wait For Sleep (-23)
83. The Dance of Eternity (+12)
84. This is the Life (-12)
87. A Fortune in Lies (+18)
88. I Walk Beside You (+31)
89. Never Enough (-18)
90. Wither (-4)
93. Vacant (+4)
94. Through Her Eyes (-13)
97. Innocence Faded (-8)
98. Lie (+19)
100. Our New World (+3)
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105. Answering the Call
109. The Alien
112. Beneath the Surface (-2)
113. Under A Glass Moon (+10)
116. Caught in a Web (+14)
122. Lost Not Forgotten (-9)
123. Behind the Veil (-2)
124. Peruvian Skies (+2)
126. Take the Time (+10)
130. The Looking Glass (+1)
131. Forsaken (-4)
137. Sacrificed Sons (-15)
139. Only a Matter of Time (-10)
141. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream (-25)
142. Afterlife (-7)
143. One Last Time (-4)
145. Scarred (-17)
147. Surrender to Reason (-10)
148. New Millennium (-8)
149. Honor Thy Father (-7)
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Unranked: To Live Forever, Raise the Knife
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2 good songs that have never reached elite level status with me.
Trial of Tears 26
The first (and maybe only) song to make every list That is crazy, I never would have predicted that.
Home 28
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I had Home as Not Rated.
Not sure there's a more mundane and boring song in their catalog for me. The middle eastern flair at the beginning is an instant turn off. The last 30-45 seconds are the only redeeming part of this song.
My man! Much respect, I wouldn't be sad if Home didn't make the cut. If I knew more of DT's stuff, it might leave my top 100.
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One other thing I do like about Home is the guitar solo, which kind of sounds like Scarred a bit.
But I genuinely do find myself skipping it when I listen to SFAM.
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I thought I was the only detractor! :rollin
At least I find the second half of the song (well…the entire instrumental outro after the final chorus, however long that is) to be amazing.
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I went back to look at the top 100 list I submitted in 2021 when we did this before (I did not submit one this time). I had Home at 32, above a few songs that I think of more favorably as I sit here now. I'd probably have it closer to 40 if I were re-ranking now. I don't hate the song, but top 5 is certainly a bit high for my tastes.
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I have a lot of catching up to do, and we have arrived at some of my favourites.
28. Lines in the Sand (21). I have always preferred this to Trial of Tears, there just seems to be a lot more going on.
27. The Mirror (92). Another of their first heavier songs, I enjoy this one more than Lie.
26. The Spirit Carries On (26). One of their best ballads, it was great to hear this live with Devin Townsend singing part of it.
25. Illumination Theory (19). The intro and the second section are my favourite parts, though the introduction of the orchestra in the third section is also a very beautiful moment. 4th section kind of sounds like a precursor to the sound on DoT. Minor nitpick, but like At Wit's End the fadeout before the song continues is a bit too long. What we get after it though is a very pleasant outro. This is a very good epic, there may not be one specific bit I can point out and say this is an all-time great DT moment, but it is just solid all around.
24. Beyond This Life (23). Another great cut from Scenes, the intro is great and there are some very cool sounds in the instrumental section.
23. Bridges in the Sky (8). The beginning with the throat singing and choir is so iconic. I remember the first time hearing it having no idea what was going on, then suddenly they go full throttle. The instrumental section is great, and the chorus is powerful.
22. In the Presence of Enemies (35). Part 1 of this song is amazing, they jump right into the action. I just wish Part 2 was as good as the first. I like the softer parts a lot, but when they try to get heavier it does not all work for me.
21. Blind Faith (12). Really dig the more moodier verses at the start. Also, some of Jordan's best work is in the incredible instrumental section.
20. Surrounded (67). The main middle chunk is good but the intro and outro are wonderful.
19. Finally Free (6). This is the song that turns Scenes from a very good album into one of my favourites of all time. They could have ended it after Spirit Carries On, and it would have still been great, but they ended on an emotional gut punch instead. The beginning of the song and the title itself lures you into a false sense of security thinking maybe this is just an epilogue of sorts. We have finished our session with the hypnotherapist, and it is time to go home. But then the tone becomes ominous, we are thrust back into the past, and wow that piano line is so good! I really like how they play with the "This feeling inside me" lyrics in various ways to represent the different characters. The middle section with the actual events of the fateful night is another one of their most haunting sections. Then you follow it up with the One Last Time reprise and a powerful final chorus. The song ends with a wonderful heavy outro. They really could not have ended this album better.
18. Strange Deja Vu (59). Good song overshadowed by other songs from the same album.
17. Take the Time. (17). One of the first DT songs I listened to. It's quite groovy and is one of their more catchy songs.
16. Under a Glass Moon (72). JP's solo is definitely the highlight here.
15. The Glass Prison (37). This is one of their quintessential heavier cuts, it has a great intro and guitar riff.
14. Pull Me Under (31). It was popular for a reason, this song sounds great, and the second verse is one of James' best moments.
13. Fatal Tragedy (11). Very theatrical, with a dark and heavy atmosphere. One of their rare songs where backing vocals add to the music rather than being at best neutral. The instrumental section is great, and I love the last minute especially.
12. Scarred (39). I like James' vocals on this one a lot.
11. In the Name of God (5). This best represents the heavy side of Dream Theater for me. The lead-up to the chorus is great, and it will return later on. Nice change of pace in the middle section, as they get softer before slowly ramping up the intensity. Then a more technical instrumental section. I like the various twists and turns this song goes through. The ending is what cements this as one of my favourites, as the melody right before the chorus is used again to end the song dramatically. This is one of their most powerful endings, and I love how the instruments drop off until only the piano is left.
10. The Count of Tuscany (2). This starts off with my favourite intro in any DT song, and there is stiff competition. Such a memorable guitar line. Once all the instruments join in, it's just perfect. This whole section is over 3 minutes long, so it never feels too short. The next section of the song is more heavy, and I like the 9/4 melody they have going on at the start. Initially, the middle section was the barrier to my full enjoyment of this song, as it somewhat stopped the momentum. I no longer feel the same way, possibly in part due to hearing it performed live. Compared to the previous tone this conveys the feeling of a light in the darkness. I can close my eyes here and feel at peace inside. Then, the final section is so powerful. I have not mentioned the lyrics yet, but to me, they don't really matter. The emotions are all conveyed perfectly through the music, and the lyrics only try to give some context to those emotions. The song ends wonderfully, coming full circle with the intro.
9. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (3). I have to respect that a song this long does not really have a dull moment. All the transitions between the different sections are smooth, and the lyrics about mental health are some of their most powerful. The Overture introduces all of the main themes of the suite. Both parts of About To Crash are somehow uplifting despite their subject matter. War Inside My Head and The Test That Stumped Them All both showcase heavier elements, with the latter being a favourite. Goodnight Kiss is another haunting track on the album that already gave us Disappear. Solitary Shell is my favourite section of the suite. Like About To Crash, there is a dichotomy between the tone and the lyrics. I love the lyrical idea of a 'Solitary Shell' in general. The emotional Losing Time/Grand Finale wraps up the suite. All of the instrumental passages throughout the various sections work very well. This is certainly a great achievement.
8. Breaking All Illusions (7). The intro is great, and I consider the first vocal section to be more of a breather in between the very technical instrumental sections. Some interesting call and response after the first chorus. JP's solo later on is one of my favourites from him. Then it's back into more technical instrumentals which are some of their best. Nice reprise of Far From Heaven in the ending.
7. Voices (30). Starts off very mysterious but gets powerful with the chorus. I like the second verse a lot.
6. Trial of Tears (38). I think I might have enjoyed this more if they trimmed it down a bit. Still a good song.
5. Home (16). Not an immediate song for me, but it is now a main highlight from Scenes. Like Finally Free, I love how they play with variations on the lyrics depending on which character is speaking.
The remaining songs are in my #1, #4, #10, and #15 spot.
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The remaining songs are in my #1, #4, #30, and #31 spot.
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1, 2, 5 and 10 for me.
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1,2,4 and 13 for me.
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1, 8, 12, 53
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Ahhh... so Tim's the joker who left off Home. I shouldn't be surprised. :lol
1, 2, 4, 6.
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Bingo line #3 complete, the teens this time. 1 to 10 and twenties to follow in the coming days unless the forum has lost its mind.
1. This Dying Soul
2. In The Name of God
3. Stream of Consciousness
4. Blind Faith
5. Breaking All Illusions
6. Disappear
7. Endless Sacrifice
8.
9.
10. Trial of Tears
11. Home
12. Outcry
13. Misunderstood
14. Finally Free
15. Bridges in the Sky
16. Voices
17. The Count of Tuscany
18. The Glass Prison
19. Erotomania
20. As I Am
21. The Great Debate
22. The Shattered Fortress
23. Answering The Call
24. In The Presence of Enemies
25. Lines in the Sand
26. Surrounded
27. Awaken The Master
28.
29. Pull Me Under
30. The Root of all Evil
31. Illumination Theory
32. Forsaken
33. A View From The Top Of The World
34. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
35. At Wits' End
36. Beneath The Surface
37. Innocence Faded
38. Peruvian Skies
39. Take The Time
40. Fatal Tragedy
41. The Best of Times
42. On The Backs of Angels
43. Scarred
44. Beyond This Life
45. The Mirror
46. Panic Attack
47. Lie
48. Another Day
49. The Alien
50.
51. Behind the Veil
52. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
53. These Walls
54.
55. The Ministry of Lost Souls
56. Sleeping Giant
57. Fall Into The Light
58. Pale Blue Dot
59.
60. Sacrificed Sons
61. Honor Thy Father
62. New Millennium
63. Overture 1928
64. Barstool Warrior
65.
66. Hell's Kitchen
67. Space-Dye Vest
68. 6:00
69. The Bigger Picture
70. The Spirit Carries On
71. Transcending Time (my lowest ranked song from View)
72.
73. I Walk Beside You
74.
75. Never Enough
76. Hollow Years (#TeamBudokan by the way)
77.
78.
79. Caught In A Web
80. Strange Deja Vu
81.
82.
83.
84.
85.
86. Surrender To Reason
87.
88. Vacant (lowest ranked song from ToT)
89. The Dance of Eternity
90.
91. One Last Time
92. The Looking Glass
93. A Fortune In Lies
94. Ytse Jam
95. Afterlife
96. Under A Glass Moon
97.
98. Constant Motion
99.
100. The Enemy Inside
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Ahhh... so Tim's the joker who left off Home. I shouldn't be surprised. :lol
1, 2, 4, 6.
When I made the prediction that only two songs at maximum will make every list, I was, among many others, firmly banking on Tim's leaving Home off. I am glad he didn't disappoint.
As for the rest, it's 5, 20, 26, 40 for me.
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Trial of Tears (16) A great song that gets bumped up by being on a very sub-par album and which, on its own power alone, can redeem that very album, even if some other good stuff like LITS had been left out.
Home (8) One tad bellow the S+ tier. For DT standards, it's actually quite repetitive and does not change the mood and tempo the way other top tier songs do. Still, it has so much else going for it that these are just minor quibbles.
Top 10 so far
1. The Killing Hand
2. Voices
3. Scarred
4. The Mirror
5.
6. Breaking of All Illusions
7. Space-Dye Vest
8.Home
9. The Count of Tuscany
10. Enemy Inside
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Number 4:
04. Octavarium
Highest Finish: 1 (CanuckChum, geeeemo, jingle.boy, jonny108, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Metro, Mosh, PixelDream, ReaPsTA, Trav86, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking)
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The first half of Octavarium is one of the best things DT has ever written. The song takes a bit of a nose dive in the second half but overall I really enjoy it.
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Octavarium was my #2. Obviously, it's one of the best prog rock epics of all time.
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Octavarium- My #3. What an absolute legend of a song. We start with a cool Pink Floyd intro and then get some great drum and bass work in Someone Like Him and into Medicate. JP kills it all throughout Full Circle, and then Intervals builds furiously to the glorious climax JLB delivers. Then, Razor's Edge swoops in to close things out with an absolute stunner of a JP solo to end things on a high note (literally). Phenomenal on the studio album, and being there to see it at Radio City remains an all-time live music highlight.
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
155. Hell's Kitchen
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
146. Disappear
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
142. Ytsejam
139. Panic Attack
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
132. Barstool Warrior
127. Lines In The Sand
125. Stream Of Consciousness
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
118. In The Presence Of Enemies
117. Breaking All Illusions
109. Outcry
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
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100.Scarred
99. No chance of making the list at this point
98. Another Day
97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
95. The Great Debate
94. No chance of making the list at this point
93. No chance of making the list at this point
92. No chance of making the list at this point
91. The Glass Prison
90. On The Backs Of Angels
89. No chance of making the list at this point
88. No chance of making the list at this point
87. Finally Free
86. No chance of making the list at this point
85. Constant Motion
84. Beneath The Surface
83. At Wit's End
82. Peruvian Skies
81. Space Dye Vest
80. The Enemy Inside
79. The Count Of Tuscany
78. Hollow Years
77. Fatal Tragedy
76. The Shattered Fortress
75. No chance of making the list at this point
74. No chance of making the list at this point
73. Lie
72. No chance of making the list at this point
71. No chance of making the list at this point
70. No chance of making the list at this point
69. The Mirror
68. A Nightmare To Remember
67. The Silent Man
66. The Root Of All Evil
65. The Spirit Carries On
64. No chance of making the list at this point
63. No chance of making the list at this point
62. As I Am
61. These Walls
60. No chance of making the list at this point
59. The Gift of Music
58. Illumination Theory
57. The Bigger Picture
56. One Last Time
55. Pale Blue Dot
54. Answering The Call
53. Trial Of Tears
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
50. No chance of making the list at this point
49. No chance of making the list at this point
48. Endless Sacrifice
47. No chance of making the list at this point
46. A New Beginning
45. No chance of making the list at this point
44. Forsaken
43. A View From The Top Of The World
42. Slim chance of making the list at this point
41. The Looking Glass
40. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
39. No chance of making the list at this point
38. The Dance Of Eternity
37. Beyond This Life
36. New Millenium
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
34. Wait For Sleep
33. Transcending Time
32. Blind Faith
31. The Best Of Times
30. Erotomania
29. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
28. Our New World
27. In The Name Of God
26. Bridges In The Sky
25. Raise The Knife
24. 6:00
23. I Walk Beside You
22. Slim chance of making the list at this point
21. Sacrificed Sons
20. Take The Time
19. Caught In A Web
18. No chance of making the list at this point
17. Lock to make the list
16. Octavarium Lock to make the list
15. Under A Glass Moon
14. To Live Forever
13. Home
12. Slim chance of making the list
11. Surrounded
10. Lock to make the list
9. Innocence Faded
8. Pull Me Under
7. This Dying Soul
6. Misunderstood
5. This Is The Life
4. Overture 1928
3. Strange Deja Vu
2. Voices
1. No chance of making the list at this point
Really great song.
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Octavarium at four? Perhaps it's my fault for ranking it at two instead of one. Shame on me.
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Octavarium ranked #5 for me, right behind my holy trinity (so far Voices was revealed, at number 3) and the song that made me love DT, The Mirror, ranking at 4.
Octavarium is an absolute masterpiece. A continuous crescendo of emotions and intensity. I don't find wacky the Full Circle section, it's very clever lyrics wise. I basically like every movement, and the ending is one of the greatest endings ever. Witnessing the live performance, being there in the heat of the moment, enjoying the whole solo and then the final note hits....... such an overwhelming (in the most positive sense) emotion. An eargasm if there ever was one.
Congrats to all those who have it at their favorite song!
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I had it at #31. It's obviously a good song, but I've never understood what makes it such a masterpiece. I listened to it again yesterday to try and "get it", but it doesn't really do much for me.
Kudos to everyone who loves it though, I wish I could join that club.
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The only parts of Octavarium that I really like are the instrumental section and the guitar solo on the outro. The Haken solo at the beginning is ok but goes on too long, the first vocal section is too sing-songy (and didn’t we just hear this song? It was called Six Degrees of Innerr Turbulence). Then the full circle part is just so corny. The band really jumped the shark for me with “trapped inside this octavari- uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmm.”
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Octavarium was #6 for me.
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Octavarium: 53. Several beautiful moments. More large than great, more clever than brilliant. More porn than eros.
The Score so far:
2 - Scarred
3 - The Spirit Carries On
4 - Lines in the Sand
5 - In the Presence of Enemies
6 - Trial of Tears
7 - Misunderstood
9 - Space-Dye Vest
10 - Voices
11 - Beyond This Life
13 - Breaking All Illusions
14 - Stream of Consciousness
16 - Under a Glass Moon
17 - Bridges in the Sky
19 - Illumination Theory
21 - A New Beginning
23 - Disappear
24 - Pull Me Under
25 - Surrounded
26 - Fatal Tragedy
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
31 - Erotomania
32 - Strange Deja-Vu
33 - Surrender to Reason
34 - Take the Time
35 - Finally Free
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
39 - The Count of Tuscany
42 - Another Day
43 - One Last Time
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
49 - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
50 - In the Name of God
51 - Home
53 - Octavarium
54 - Peruvian Skies
55 - The Dance of Eternity
56 - The Bigger Picture
61 - Wait for Sleep
64 - Blind Faith
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
69 - Overture 1928
70 - Innocence Faded
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
76 - Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
77 - At Wit's End
78 - Lie
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
88 - The Mirror
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
91 - 6:00
92 - The Killing Hand
93 - Endless Sacrifice
95 - Barstool Warrior
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 33
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So next to Trial of Tears, Octavarium is the second song that makes all the list. An absolutely gorgious masterpiece which took a while to digest, but I enjoy every single minute of it and it is compositionally the very best piece they've ever written. Without a doubt.
Daily Doug's reaction surely helped me digesting the song, so take the time if you feel so...
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Octavarium (20)
A bit too long, often great, sometimes of uneven quality. It gets a bump by being on otherwise not so good album, plus a long song bump (I can't help but be affected by these, even if I know they have little to do with an actual song quality). But I'll probably never buy into a notion that it's one of the best things DT have ever done - but the regularity with which it is listed in various Top 5s or 10s of best DT songs shows that I am the odd one here.
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OV #13. LOVE the bookends of this song. Someone Like Him, Medicate, and the outro are so fantastic.
3 Under a Glass Moon
4 Breaking all Illusions
5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
7 In the Name of God
8 The Count of Tuscany
9 The Great Debate
11 Outcry
12 Overture 1928
13 Octavarium
14 Blind Faith
15 Fatal Tragedy
16 One Last Time
17 Home
18 Illumination Theory
19 Beyond This Life
20 Lost Not Forgotten
21 Surrounded
22 A View From the Top of the World
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
27 Take the Time
28 Fall Into the Light
29 Bridges in the Sky
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
32 Scarred
33 Disappear
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
42 The Root of All Evil
46 Misunderstood
48 A Fortune in Lies
51 Barstool Warrior
52 Our New World
53 At Wit's End
54 Wither
55 The Alien
56 Lifting Shadows off a Dream
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
59 Innocence Faded
61 I Walk Beside You
62 Endless Sacrifice
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
65 Wait for Sleep
66 The Bigger Picture
67 A Nightmare to Remember
68 Sleeping Giant
69 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
70 The Ministry of Lost Souls
71 Pull Me Under
72 The Dance of Eternity
75 Panic Attack
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
80 Strange Deja-Vu
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
88 The Mirror
92 Voices
93 Another Day
94 Trial of Tears
95 On the Backs of Angels
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen, These Walls, Caught in a Web, Lie, This Dying Soul, Peruvian Skies, As I Am, Erotomania, Stream of Consciousness, 6:00, Space-Dye Vest, The Spirit Carries On, Lines in the Sand, ITPoE, Finally Free, The Glass Prison
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time, Outcry, Under a Glass Moon
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8V - 44
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Octavarium was my number 3. Such a beast of a song I love how it starts of with this pink floydesque intro and then just builds and builds. The whole song is awesome there is not one part I would trim or change. Brilliant from start to finish.
My ranking so far
1 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9)
2
3 Octavarium (4)
4
5 Take the Time (17)
6 Another Day (38)
7 Space-Dye Vest (30)
8 One Last Time (46)
9 Trial of Tears (6)
10
11 The Dance of Eternity (33)
12 The Spirit Carries On (26)
13 Surrounded (20)
14 Home (5)
15 Voices (7)
16 Pull Me Under (14)
17 The Mirror (27)
18 Finally Free (19)
19 The Silent Man (66)
20 Illumination Theory (25)
21 Caught In a Web (51)
22 6:00 (34)
24 Scarred (12)
25 Fatal Tragedy (13)
27 Wait For Sleep (44t)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
35 Beyond This Life (24)
36 Strange Deja Vu (18)
37 Our New World (93)
38 Innocence Faded (42)
40 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (35)
41 A View from the Top of the World (49t)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
46 Under a Glass Moon (16)
47 Lie (47t)
48 Erotomania (40)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
56 The Count of Tuscany (10)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
63 Bridges In the Sky (23)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
61 At Wit's End ( 37)
62 Stream of Consciousness (39)
73 As I Am (43)
74 The Root of All Evil(36)
75 The Alien (69)
76 Breaking All Illusions (8)
77 A Nightmare To Remember (49t)
78 Misunderstood (31)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
86 Peruvian Skies (44t)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
90 The Glass Prison (15)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
96 Endless Sacrifice (29)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Highest ranker of
8 One Last Time (46), 1 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52), This Dying Soul (47t), Disappear (41), Overture 1928 (32), Lines In The Sand (28), In the Presence of Enemies (22), Blind Faith (21), In the Name of God (11)
Rated: 64
Not rated: 33
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I'm surprised! I thought 8VM would be #1. I'm genuinely curious as to what the order of the final three will be!
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I'm surprised! I thought 8VM would be #1. I'm genuinely curious as to what the order of the final three will be!
I am too, but I have my guess.
I think my number 17, then my number 103, then my number 10.
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Love Octavarium
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4. Octavarium (#8) if just for 'The Razor's Edge' segment on 'Score'. We always play it near home after returning from NYC and other trips (inserting James' 'Thank you, New York' from 'Metropolis' immediately after). One of my favorite air guitar tunes! For my dream set list, that would always be the finale.
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Octavarium - #8 - amazing song. Would've been even higher if not for Medicate section which is good but not great. Otherwise a fantastic song. Pity I didn't have a chance to see at live.
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Rank - song - my rank
6 - Trial of tears - 16 - the highlight of FII, love the atmosphere in this one
5 - Home - 20 - great tune on a great album
4 - Octavarium - 3 - bucket list live tune, really really hoping they bring this one back soon!
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Octavarium is an incredible achievement. I had it at # 2, which surprised me a little. But that's fine.
Seeing this live with the orchestra at Radio City Music Hall was one of the highlights of my concert-going life.
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Octavarium (my #9) is an incredible composition and maybe, what I find most interesting about it, the only one from DT that, almost exclusively, emulates a very classic prog vibe, leaving behind all 80's, 90's or more modern DT influences. As a controversial opinion, I must say that I LOVE the lyrics (not only the lyrics but also the way they are rhythmically phrased) on part III - Full Circle (12:15-18:27) - it's an amazing homage to the classic rock bands IMO.
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Octavarium is an incredible achievement. I had it at # 2, which surprised me a little. But that's fine.
Seeing this live with the orchestra at Radio City Music Hall was one of the highlights of my concert-going life.
Me too, and me too.
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Octavarium is an incredible achievement. I had it at # 2, which surprised me a little. But that's fine.
Seeing this live with the orchestra at Radio City Music Hall was one of the highlights of my concert-going life.
Me too, and me too.
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Number 4:
04. Octavarium
Highest Finish: 1 (CanuckChum, geeeemo, jingle.boy, jonny108, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Metro, Mosh, PixelDream, ReaPsTA, Trav86, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking)
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The first half of Octavarium is one of the best things DT has ever written. The song takes a bit of a nose dive in the second half but overall I really enjoy it.
I had Octavarium at #6, but it's a mixed bag. From the synth solo starting at 12:15 to the end, it's one of the greatest things ever written, and that's good enough to get it in my top 10. However, the Continuum intro might be the most boring thing in the band's catalog. The intro to the song proper is cool, and the "Someone Like Him" and "Medicate" sections are fine, but they're nothing special. If, instead of going into the synth solo, they had tagged on a 30 outro at the end of "Medicate" and ended the song, I probably wouldn't have ranked it in my top 100.
Octavarium dropped two spots from #3 in the prior countdown.
And I now know that my top 3 will be the consensus top 3 (which were 1, 2 and 4 in the prior countdown). We'll see if I can nail them in order.
List Not Ranked
100 This Dying Soul (47T) Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall into the Light (72), Honor Thy Father (71), Raise the Knife (65), The Great Debate (53), Peruvian Skies (44T), Disappear (41), The Mirror (27)
98 Far from Heaven (NR)
97 This Is the Life (88)
96 Prophets of War (NR)
95 A Rite of Passage (NR)
94 The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun (NR)
93 Lines in the Sand (28)
92 The Ministry of Lost Souls (61)
91 Build Me Up; Break Me Down (NR)
90
89 Under a Glass Moon (16)
88 Another Day (38)
87 Innocence Faded (42)
86 Lie (47T)
85 In the Presence of Enemies (22)
84 Forsaken (95)
83
82 Erotomania (40)
81 The Spirit Carries On (26)
80
79 Vacant (97)
78 Wait for Sleep (44T)
77 The Silent Man (66)
76
75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
74
73 A Nightmare to Remember (50)
72
71 These Walls (54)
70
69 At Wit's End (37)
68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
67 The Dark Eternal Night (70)
66 Pale Blue Dot (62)
65 Transcending Time (90)
64
63 Space-Dye Vest (30)
62
61 Beneath the Surface (64)
60 Hell's Kitchen (57)
59 Afterlife (96)
58
57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
56
55 The Alien (69)
54 The Root of All Evil (36)
53 The Bigger Picture (60)
52 Trial of Tears (6)
51 Pull Me Under (14)
50
49 As I Am (43)
48 A View from the Top of the World (49)
47 Lifting Shadows off a Dream (35)
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45 The Glass Prison (15)
44 On the Backs of Angels (56)
43 Ytse Jam (67)
42 One Last Time (46)
41 Through Her Eyes (74)
40 The Dance of Eternity (33)
39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
38 Hollow Years (59)
37
36 Caught in a Web (51)
35 Barstool Warrior (52)
34 Endless Sacrifice (29)
33 Outcry (58)
32 6:00 (34)
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30 Bridges in the Sky (23)
29 Misunderstood (31)
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26 Finally Free (19)
25 Overture 1928 (32)
24 Beyond This Life (24)
23 Take the Time (17)
22 Surrounded (20)
21 Strange Deja Vu (18)
20 Voices (7)
19 Sacrificed Sons (63)
18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
16 The Count of Tuscany (10)
15 The Killing Hand (68)
14 Panic Attack (55)
13 Illumination Theory (25)
12 Breaking All Illusions (8)
11 Stream of Consciousness (39)
10 Fatal Tragedy (13)
9 Blind Faith (21)
8 In the Name of God (11)
7 Scarred (12)
6 Home (5)
5 Octavarium (4)
4 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9)
3
2
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Octavarium - My ranking: #2
When I first got into Dream Theater back in 2016, I loved all the few songs I'd been listening to at the time (Metropolis Part 1, On the Backs of Angels, Constant Motion, Panic Attack). Then one day I saw Octavarium on YouTube while listening to one of these songs, and I noticed the song was 24 minutes long. I'd never seen a song that long before, so naturally I was interested just from that alone. After listening to it, I was so fascinated by it. I'd never heard anything like it, and that's still true to this day. Octavarium is one of my all-time favorite songs, it is a truly remarkable piece of music. All five movements are perfect, I don't even know how I could rank them. Medicate and Intervals would probably be fighting for first place; Medicate is gorgeous, and this song would still be guaranteed a spot in my top five if it was just Medicate. Intervals is very short, but the buildup and release is immensely awesome. And even then, Razor's Edge might beat them both just for being the greatest ending to any Dream Theater song, maybe any song period.
2. Octavarium (+0)
3. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (+3)
4. Voices (+3)
5. The Count of Tuscany (+0)
6. Illumination Theory (-2)
7. Disappear (+1)
8. Blind Faith (+5)
9. The Glass Prison (+0)
10. The Best of Times (-7)
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11. In the Presence of Enemies (+3)
12. A Nightmare to Remember (-1)
13. Erotomania (-1)
14. Space-Dye Vest (+5)
15. Misunderstood (+1)
16. Finally Free (-6)
17. This Dying Soul (+10)
18. The Shattered Fortress (+6)
19. Trial of Tears (+1)
20. Breaking All Illusions (-2)
21. The Ministry of Lost Souls (-4)
22. The Spirit Carries On (-7)
23. The Silent Man (+0)
24. The Dark Eternal Night (+9)
25. Beyond This Life (+3)
27. In the Name of God (+8)
29. Lines in the Sand (+16)
30. Hell's Kitchen (-8)
32. A View From the Top of the World
33. Surrounded (-12)
34. Outcry (+36)
35. Constant Motion (+29)
36. Fatal Tragedy (+15)
37. A New Beginning (-7)
38. The Great Debate (+0)
39. Pale Blue Dot (-8)
40. Sleeping Giant
41. Endless Sacrifice (+21)
42. The Root of All Evil (-10)
43. Home (-17)
46. Fall Into The Light (-10)
47. Barstool Warrior (-13)
48. The Bigger Picture (+0)
49. The Mirror (+9)
51. Ytse Jam (+4)
52. These Walls (+31)
56. Bridges in the Sky (-10)
58. S2N (+1)
59. The Enemy Inside (-10)
61. Awaken the Master
63. The Gift of Music (-2)
64. As I Am (+16)
65. Strange Deja Vu (+13)
66. Stream of Consciousness (-16)
67. Panic Attack (-15)
68. On the Backs of Angels (+20)
69. 6:00 (+24)
70. Another Day (-27)
71. Transcending Time
73. At Wit's End (-7)
75. Pull Me Under (-1)
77. Hollow Years (-2)
78. The Killing Hand (-37)
80. Wait For Sleep (-23)
83. The Dance of Eternity (+12)
84. This is the Life (-12)
87. A Fortune in Lies (+18)
88. I Walk Beside You (+31)
89. Never Enough (-18)
90. Wither (-4)
93. Vacant (+4)
94. Through Her Eyes (-13)
97. Innocence Faded (-8)
98. Lie (+19)
100. Our New World (+3)
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105. Answering the Call
109. The Alien
112. Beneath the Surface (-2)
113. Under A Glass Moon (+10)
116. Caught in a Web (+14)
122. Lost Not Forgotten (-9)
123. Behind the Veil (-2)
124. Peruvian Skies (+2)
126. Take the Time (+10)
130. The Looking Glass (+1)
131. Forsaken (-4)
137. Sacrificed Sons (-15)
139. Only a Matter of Time (-10)
141. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream (-25)
142. Afterlife (-7)
143. One Last Time (-4)
145. Scarred (-17)
147. Surrender to Reason (-10)
148. New Millennium (-8)
149. Honor Thy Father (-7)
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Unranked: To Live Forever, Raise the Knife
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Number 4:
04. Octavarium
Highest Finish: 1 (CanuckChum, geeeemo, jingle.boy, jonny108, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Metro, Mosh, PixelDream, ReaPsTA, Trav86, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking)
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I had Octavarium at #2!
Just an amazing song. It's so cleverly written as to represent a lifetime, both musically and lyrically. Simply a stunning piece of work.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 6:00 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 The Root Of All Evil Transcending Time
95 Lie Behind The Veil
94 New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Glass Prison The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 Zydar The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot As I Am
84 Misunderstood
83 The Mirror
82 Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
81 Home
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78 Stream Of Consciousness
77 A Nightmare To Remember
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72 Beyond This Life
71 Pull Me Under
70 One Last Time
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58 Wait For Sleep
57 Illumination Theory
56 The Spirit Carries On
55 Under A Glass Moon
54 Barstool Warrior
53
52 Finally Free
51 Erotomania
50 In The Name Of God
49 Strange Deja Vu
48 Bridges In The Sky
47 Blind Faith
46
45 Overture 1928
44 Panic Attack
43 Innocence Faded
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39 A View From The Top Of The World
38 At Wits End
37 Fall Into The Light
36 In The Presence Of Enemies
35 The Gift Of Music
34 The Dance Of Eternity
33 Peruvian Skies
32 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
31 Ytse Jam
30 Trial Of Tears
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27 Voices
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25 Surrounded
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20 This Dying Soul
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17
16 The Alien
15 Fatal Tragedy
14 The Best Of Times
13 Endless Sacrifice
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10 Take The Time
9 Breaking All Illusions
8 Lines In The Sand
7 Disappear
6 The Count Of Tuscany
5 Space Dye Vest
4 The Killing Hand
3 Scarred
2 Octavarium
1
77-20
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I'm surprised! I thought 8VM would be #1. I'm genuinely curious as to what the order of the final three will be!
I think it's gonna be a tight race between the long one and the whaa, whaa, whaaa one.
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Trial of Tears was my #88. Home was #3! Octavarium was my #2!!
Great batch of songs. As others who were there have said, I will cherish being able to see Octavarium at RCMH, along with my #1 song just a few songs prior. Just an absolutely incredible night. I sure hope they bring this song back out on tour for the 20th/40th Anniversary... obviously culminating in a live release called TWO SCORE.
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Octavarium - my rank 13. There is no denying this is a great song that contains some brilliant musical moments and some good lyrics but to call it an all time great prog epic is a bridge too far for me. Kind of happy it finished 4th overall as the remaining 3 songs are better than Octavarium in every way.
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I am too, but I have my guess.
I think my number 17, then my number 103, then my number 10.
Looks like part V is about you and me... it's what we seem to live in.
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25. Illumination Theory (91st) DREAM THEATER, IF YOU'RE READING THIS, DO MORE STUFF IN THE VEIN OF THE LAST FEW MINUTES OF THIS SONG. SO GOOD.
24. Beyond This Life (88th) I'm a SFAM hater, what can I say? It's an okay song though.
23. Bridges In The Sky (8th) This song could be top 5 but the intro is too long, it's otherwise a stellar song. When JLB sings "crossing bridges in the sky", it's so good.
22. In The Presence Of Enemies (28th) Cool epic on a weird album. I don't like the Dark Master part. Everything else is good. Odd song for DT, though.
21. Blind Faith (42nd) Easily the worst track of SDOIT but still just fine.
20. Surrounded (25th) What a lovely song. Just, so bouncy but then a bit serious. DT does this style of song nicely.
19. Finally Free (76th) SFAM, yeah....
18. Strange Deja Vu (89th) Lol. The "uncanny strange deja vu" does pop into my mind at times.
17. Take The Time (19th) The energy in this song is really vibrant. JLB is having fun and the music is good.
16. Under A Glass Moon (67th) It's a fine song, with a cool intro. It's always been the weakest or second weakest track on IaW to me, though.
15. The Glass Prison (3rd) This is 15th and I am shocked. I know some of the songs remaining, but I thought this was one of the most favored songs. Interesting. Anyway, this song is just pure gas for a long time.
14. Pull Me Under (77th) This and UAGM are fine songs, but they can swap being the worst or 2nd worst on the album, but they have stiff competition. Also surprised this is so high, is it because it's their most famous song?
13. Fatal Tragedy (90th) What a canyon between my ranking and the consensus. Yeah, it's a SFAM song, for some reason that album doesn't gel with me.
12. Scarred (69th) It's a fine song, but I often forget how it even sounds when I see it talked about.
11. In The Name Of God (13th) Hell yeah. I avoided this song for a while when this album was the new stuff, IDK why, I just was loving the rest of the album and this was the last song. It is pretty much flawless. I love the choir at the end, subtle enough to enjoy (and JLB's screaming as well).
10. The Count Of Tuscany (6th) This (and several other songs) are what DT do best in the modern era (I am thinking post-8VM). You can have the metal in "prog metal" but don't leave behind the prog, or the beautiful melodies and tight compositions. The intro might be a top 5, maybe a top 3 DT intro, musically speaking. The ending is great, it's fun to sing and play on the acoustic (capo on 4th fret).
09. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (4th) I hate ranking this as a single song. Like others, this is a collection of 8 different ideas/tracks/songs, but they're all great songs (maybe besides Goodnight Kiss, that one is decent). But since we have to bow to the wishes of the almighty band, here we are. Not my actual 4th favorite, but yeah, each part is a great picture of different mental illnesses. Favorites include Solitary Shell, The Test..., and Losing Time.
08. Breaking All Illusions (11th) 3rd best song from the MM era. It just slaps, and it does it better than Learning to Live.
07. Voices (40th) Excellent song, but 7th?! Wow. But I think I get it, it's not a prog epic but an emotional song with a lot of good stuff.
06. Trial Of Tears (31st) Great song from a weird era. Not on the hype train to be 6th best, that is pretty mind-blowing to me.
05. Home (65th) I don't get why people rate this so highly. I deduced it would be in the top 6, and I gave it a listen today and...yeah, there is some powerful music happening there, I can kinda see it being a big hit, but to make top 5, I don't know what I am missing.
04. Octavarium (2nd) This song is one of the best songs ever made to me. Intervals is especially awesome, but every part is its own little world, and I love visiting each part each time.
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1. This Dying Soul
2. In The Name of God
3. Stream of Consciousness
4. Blind Faith
5. Breaking All Illusions
6. Disappear
7. Endless Sacrifice
8. Octavarium
9.
10. Trial of Tears
11. Home
12. Outcry
13. Misunderstood
14. Finally Free
15. Bridges in the Sky
16. Voices
17. The Count of Tuscany
18. The Glass Prison
19. Erotomania
20. As I Am
21. The Great Debate
22. The Shattered Fortress
23. Answering The Call
24. In The Presence of Enemies
25. Lines in the Sand
26. Surrounded
27. Awaken The Master
28.
29. Pull Me Under
30. The Root of all Evil
31. Illumination Theory
32. Forsaken
33. A View From The Top Of The World
34. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
35. At Wits' End
36. Beneath The Surface
37. Innocence Faded
38. Peruvian Skies
39. Take The Time
40. Fatal Tragedy
41. The Best of Times
42. On The Backs of Angels
43. Scarred
44. Beyond This Life
45. The Mirror
46. Panic Attack
47. Lie
48. Another Day
49. The Alien
50.
51. Behind the Veil
52. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
53. These Walls
54.
55. The Ministry of Lost Souls
56. Sleeping Giant
57. Fall Into The Light
58. Pale Blue Dot
59.
60. Sacrificed Sons
61. Honor Thy Father
62. New Millennium
63. Overture 1928
64. Barstool Warrior
65.
66. Hell's Kitchen
67. Space-Dye Vest
68. 6:00
69. The Bigger Picture
70. The Spirit Carries On
71. Transcending Time (my lowest ranked song from View)
72.
73. I Walk Beside You
74.
75. Never Enough
76. Hollow Years (#TeamBudokan by the way)
77.
78.
79. Caught In A Web
80. Strange Deja Vu
81.
82.
83.
84.
85.
86. Surrender To Reason
87.
88. Vacant (lowest ranked song from ToT)
89. The Dance of Eternity
90.
91. One Last Time
92. The Looking Glass
93. A Fortune In Lies
94. Ytse Jam
95. Afterlife
96. Under A Glass Moon
97.
98. Constant Motion
99.
100. The Enemy Inside
I had Octavarium at #8 (which I just realised is quite fitting). Not keen on the Shine On You Crazy Diamond homage at the start, but everything from the Firth of Fifth keyboard solo homage onwards is great. Overall, it's a wonderful homage (see what I'm doing here?) to the great music of yesteryear, but with enough of DT's own identity to keep it mostly fresh. Great, great, great guitar solo at the end too. I think this'll be the epic that gets played on MP's first tour back, which I'm assuming will be in 2025 and hence 20 years after the album was released.
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I had Octavarium at #6, but it's a mixed bag. From the synth solo starting at 12:15 to the end, it's one of the greatest things ever written, and that's good enough to get it in my top 10. However, the Continuum intro might be the most boring thing in the band's catalog. The intro to the song proper is cool, and the "Someone Like Him" and "Medicate" sections are fine, but they're nothing special. If, instead of going into the synth solo, they had tagged on a 30 outro at the end of "Medicate" and ended the song, I probably wouldn't have ranked it in my top 100.
This sums up how I feel about the song a lot better than my own write-up.
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My no 8 too. I am sooo cool. Great song.
I never realised that it was routinely divided up in to (named) sections. I always just appreciated it as a whole.
Can’t argue with the last 3. They’re alll in my top 20, and I’m a noob to this whole ranking thing; there was no group bias going on.
This has been a blast. This current DT tip I’m on is like a solid 10 weeks now, and I just wanna play em all back to back again! What a band, eh ?!?
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Up until this countdown, This Dying Soul was my number one, but over the last two years, Octavarium has grown on me more again. I always loved it but I think it's the quintessential prog metal epic. A lot of bands (DT included) have tried to do 20 plus minute songs where they always feel like pieces thrown together. A few bands have nailed it for me (Green Carnation, Edge of Sanity, Insomnium to a degree) but Octavarium is the perfect example a song that just builds from start to finish and really cements itself as a single epic piece. Nothing is disjointed, nothing is not supposed to be there, it's a incredible 24 minute ride. The whole buildup to the 'trapped inside this Octavarium' part just gives me chills and sends me cold, the atmosphere is incredible and like nothing I've quite heard before. Followed by Razors Edge, it's just perfect.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 Disappear The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84 Stream Of Consciousness
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77 Lines in the Sand
76
75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
73 One Last Time
72 Peruvian Skies
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63 Panic Attack
62 Surrounded
61 On the Backs of Angels
60 Beyond This Life
59 Trial of Tears
58 Afterlife
57 Caught In A Web
56 Breaking All Illusions
55 Visions
54 The Great Debate
53 A Nightmare to Remember
52 Erotomania
51 Answering the Call
50 The Spirit Carries On
49 Space-Dye Vest
48 The Shattered Fortress
47 Finally Free
46 As I Am
45 Bridges in the Sky
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43
42 Never Enough
41 Wait For Sleep
40
39 Strange Deja Vu
38 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulance
37 The Bigger Picture
36 Outcry
35 Take the Time
34 Lie
33 The Root of All Evil
32 I Walk Beside You
31
30 A View From the Top of the World
29 Surrender to Reason
28 Barstool Warrior
27 Another Day
26 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
25 Endless Sacrifice
24 Innocence Faded
23 Misunderstood
22 Under A Glass Moon
21 In the Presence of Enemies
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18 Pull Me Under
17
16 In the Name of God
15 Fatal Tragedy
14 The Count of Tuscany
13 These Walls
12 At Wit's End
11 The Mirror
10 Scarred
9 Home
8 The Glass Prison
7
6 Blind Faith
5 Illumination Theory
4
3
2 This Dying Soul.
1 Octavarium
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#8 for me. I don't listen to it often, but it pure bliss every time I do.
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6. Trial of Tears - #44 for me. Could've ranked much higher, still, what a killer track.
5. Home - #51 for me. Really surprised to see this one ranking the highest among SFAM tracks -- I tend to think of it more like a fun detour rather than an album highlight, but that's just me. And not a knock on the song! Ultimately it makes sense to see how highly it's regarded.
4. Octavarium - #33 for me. Sweet and fantastic. Something for everybody in it.
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Indeed, it's kind of ironic that four of us who have posted had this at #8. More so if there were eight total <cue Twilight Zone theme ;)>
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Octavarium (my #9) is an incredible composition and maybe, what I find most interesting about it, the only one from DT that, almost exclusively, emulates a very classic prog vibe, leaving behind all 80's, 90's or more modern DT influences. As a controversial opinion, I must say that I LOVE the lyrics (not only the lyrics but also the way they are rhythmically phrased) on part III - Full Circle (12:15-18:27) - it's an amazing homage to the classic rock bands IMO.
The bolded, completely agree. I’ll always remember when it came out another poster on the home theater forums said “it sounds like they just toured with Yes” which is obvious in hindsight and isn’t a bad thing. I objectively get how this could be their best work, it’s difficult to say there’s anything better. Though not my top five cause I’m partial to my DT metal, and that’s the thing they didn’t include here…
Love how it’s a complete song, no obvious chapters parts or connecting points
Love how it takes its time especially at the start, very echoes in overall vibe to start then ends up at tear down the wall
Love how it’s nuggets on top of nuggets buried beneath nuggetz
Love how it’s the epic plus the album closer plus closes the album continuation started with SFAM… yet it’s all seamless
—the idea of sampling both musically/lyrically all the previous tracks in a concise final bridge, was that done before this song? Wondering if they genuinely came up with the idea/execution
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Under a Glass Moon- 45
Pure joy!
The Glass Prison-11
The total opposite of Under a Glass Moon, as not a single second could be described as joyous or uplifting. It's dark, angry, and bitter, and really hits the spot on days like today. Love the interplay between James and Mike on the mic.
Pull Me Under- 18
I'll never forget the excitement of seeing the video for the first time on Headbanger's Ball because it really felt like I was being introduced to my new favorite band. It's a bummer they've only had one big hit but at least it was for a song as wonderful and appropriately representative as Pull Me Under.
Fatal Tragedy- 9
Back in my mix CD days, this was often the song I chose to introduce people to my favorite band, and it probably gave a couple of them seizures. Is anyone else reminded of Megadeth's Hangar 18 in the final two minutes?
Scarred- 2
I thought I was going to take the top spot here, and so kudos to Ben_Jamin for going one step beyond. It hurts me to realize that for the first 50 or so times I listened to Awake, I was deprived of this masterpiece because I bought the cassette. James gets to really show off his range here, as his piercing screams of "I never lost my devotion, but somewhere fate went wrong" and melting desperation of "Do you feel you don't know me anymore? And do you feel I'm afraid of your love?" are equally powerful. This also has one of my favorite outros.
In the Name of God- 25
Very happy to see this song get such a high ranking here! It's totally deserving.
The Count of Tuscany- 26
Yep, this song has it all! Puts me on a rollercoaster of emotions every time.
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence- 4
This very easily could have been my #1 but I didn't think it would be fair to the others. I've always viewed this as 8 separate songs that happen to all be bangers, and so it would be like a handicap match.
I think I said earlier that Disappear was DT's saddest song but it's probably tied with Goodnight Kiss. It's absolutely beautiful and heartbreaking, and on its own, would have made my Top 10 list.
Breaking All Illusions- 23
My 2nd favorite Mangini-era song, with Fall Into the Light being #1
Voices- 3
When I started making this list, I put this at the very top with no hesitation whatsoever because in my mind it's always been my favorite Dream Theater song. I ended up moving a couple others up and now that feels rather blasphemous. I think this is Labrie's all-time greatest performance, especially on that "Can you rid me of my secrets? Deliver us from Darkness?" part.
Trial of Tears- 23
Well, this almost makes up for Anna Lee inexplicably missing from this countdown! Each member of the band really shines here and I'm sad that I've never gotten to see this performed before.
Home- 54
This song rocks but it does not belong anywhere near the top 5. It's craaaaazy that it ranked higher than Voices and Scarred.
Octavarium- 6
That's more like it, people!
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wolfking I agree on all terms, since it's my #1 all time song by any band. The only thing that may could have been different, is that the intro is a little too long for my taste. But that's just being a dick, the song is a ride I will never get tired or disjointed from.
But, I have to say, last couple of days I've listened to Learning to Live plenty of time and each listen it's getting better. That's unique and only on this level available in Dream Theaterland... here you can hear songs after a while and end on a completely different layer of beauty.
Although it's really fun to do, ranking songs therefore is near useless... it keeps on evolving over time.
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My number 1! It was a toss between Scarred and Octavarium. The Intervals section in Octavarium delivers goosebumps every time and makes the album seem better than it actually is (every song gets represented with each interval and has a phrase dedicated to it).
The weird thing is that I’m not even totally crazy about classic prog like Genesis, and this epic is definitely mostly devoid of DT’s prog metal sound. I still think it’s their greatest achievement. When listened all the way through, the reprise of the Medicate Me theme at the end of the outro guitar solo delivers me the most satisfying feeling. It’s awesome.
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wolfking I agree on all terms, since it's my #1 all time song by any band. The only thing that may could have been different, is that the intro is a little too long for my taste. But that's just being a dick, the song is a ride I will never get tired or disjointed from.
But, I have to say, last couple of days I've listened to Learning to Live plenty of time and each listen it's getting better. That's unique and only on this level available in Dream Theaterland... here you can hear songs after a while and end on a completely different layer of beauty.
Although it's really fun to do, ranking songs therefore is near useless... it keeps on evolving over time.
Early on I thought the intro was a little drawn out buy these days I love it and to doesn't feel overly long at all.
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The other moment that stops me in my tracks is that distorted Medicate Me melody Jordan plays during the second 'trapped inside this 8VM'. Something about that gives me the most weirdest uneasy feeling.
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Indeed, it's kind of ironic that four of us who have posted had this at #8. More so if there were eight total <cue Twilight Zone theme ;)>
What would be fantastic is if 5 people had it rated at #8 :nuggetz:
Re 8vm... I remember when my very first listen to it, and it was such a slow build - after the chaos of the SS ending, it really caught me off guard. 24 minutes my very first thought was "Well, it's no A Change of Seasons". :lol Little did I know. It didn't take too long before I realized it was at least as good as ACOS, and ultimately, better than (for me).
It's my #1 DT song, and my #1 Song of all time. It is absolutely flawless in my ears. Kade summed it up pretty good, but I'll also just add that it has the best keyboard solo in the DT discography, the best instrumental section, the best key/bass/guitar unison, and the best guitar solo. It's James' best vocal delivery post-shrimp cocktail, and his scream from Score is one of the best live things he's ever done - especially considering it was 2.5 hours into the show. And there's no studio touchup there, he does the exact same thing on the bootlegs I've heard from the shows leading up to Score.
I'd hoped this would place in the top two, but alas... it's not a terrible surprise the top-3 are what they are, and from the time of peak-JLB.
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Top 3:
03. A Change Of Seasons
Highest Finish: 1 (Adami, axeman90210, devieira73, Dream Team, hefdaddy42, jeff_kinsley, JPZealot, lucasembarbosa, pg1067, Revenge319, romdrums, Vmadera00)
Number of Lists appeared on: 64 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Epic followed by another epic. ACOS is a great song through and through. It stay remarkably consistent throughout it's long runtime.
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A Change of Seasons- My #1 with a bullet. The first 20+ minute prog epic I heard from any band, and still my favorite. Each section is unique while serving the whole piece, the band is firing on all cylinders, and the lyrics from MP are poignant. Not only my favorite DT song, my favorite song period.
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Amazing epic, in my mind ACOS and Octavarium are about the same quality. I just wish the production was a little better, I really dislike that snare drum sound. When I listen to ACOS, I prefer to listen (or watch) the excellent Live Scenes From New York rendition.
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Love A Change of Seasons
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Endgame approaches... exciting times!
10. The Count of Tuscany - I was one of the three who ranked this joint highest at 2 so, I suppose a bit of justification is required. This song simply exemplifies DT at their finest for me. It's an extremely well-crafted epic with a coherent narrative both lyrically and musically. The melodic sections are sublime. The heavy first half of the song (after the intro) is exciting, dramatic and suitably builds tension as it goes on. The beautiful middle section again fits the narrative as the protagonist solemnly reflects on the events that brought him there and mourns his impending death. And the final section is just 10/10, it speaks for itself really.
Say what you want about the lyrics. Are they the best or most meaningful JP has ever written? Of course not - but for once, rather than being overly poetic and metaphorical which is a common issue I personally have, they tell a direct and unambiguous story where you know exactly what the protagonist is experiencing. Is the context a little bit silly when you stop and think about it? Sure - but even so I do detect a hint of self-awareness, with a little bit of goofiness thrown into some of the musical passages, in particular JR's parts - plus I find it hard to imagine JLB and MP laying down "sucking on his pipe!" in the studio intending it to be taken completely seriously. All reflecting the rather odd but in humorous-in-hindsight events that took place. Overall, it doesn't matter one iota that the lyrics are completely literal for once - they fit perfectly.
So why do I rank this above all over DT epics, and the vast majority of their catalogue? Aside from the sheer quality of the music and melodies, the main thing that sets this one apart is the structure, as I already mentioned. As much as I love 8V, SDOIT and ACoS, you couldn't be entirely blamed for arguing that such pieces are more like a collection of short songs stitched together - but the Count just feels different in that regard. It really feels like a genuine "long song" - a single, coherent piece which 20 minute length is entirely justified and not a moment feels wasted. Always a pleasure to experience this one, live or just listening at home. Had this been DT's last album with MP, it would have been a fitting swansong - I have absolutely no doubt that he had a big input as to how this one was arranged.
09. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence - I ranked this at 14 so not much below the consensus. No doubt that it contains some wonderful stuff, the highlights being the "About to Crash" sections and the finale. But - yes, I'm going there - it feels like a concept album, not a song. Yes, of course I know the story behind how it was written and the original intention - I'm talking about how it feels. It works better as separate tracks and of course, the band themselves have not been adverse to breaking it down as such when it comes to it's inclusion in setlist. I know that shouldn't be a knock on the quality of the "piece" (or whatever you want to call it) as a whole but, in a conversation about what the 100 best DT songs are - it almost seems like this one has an inherently unfair advantage due to it arguably being 8 songs. I guess this debate will never end...!
08. Breaking All Illusions - ok, not sure what this one is doing quite so high up. It didn't even make my top 100. Main reason being that it feels very structurally and tonally similar to Learning to Live, a far superior song which I would much rather listen to any day of the week. It has cool bits in it, but it just doesn't do very much for me as a whole. I find it quite overrated.
07. Voices - ...ok, not a bad song by any means, it made 82 for me personally. But... the 7th best song they have ever written? Seriously? I just don't see it guys... I mean it has some great passages in it, especially towards the end, but it kind of drags a bit. 7th is definitely too high!
06. Trial Of Tears - much more like it! For a time, I considered this my 3rd all-time favourite. On this occasion it reached 23 for me but I totally get why it's been ranked higher than that and I'm very pleased to see it achieve such a high actually. A totally unique song and another very coherent epic, like the Count. Although it is broken down into multiple parts, they are similar in style and I love the fact that it's one of the very few bass-driven DT songs. I really love this one and the lyrics are very powerful and emotional. I think this may well be JM's magnum opus.
05. Home - 16 for me. Fantastic song with a simply epic and classic-sounding chorus. No arguments from me here, this has stood the test of time and no doubt will be considered one of DT's classics when all is said and done.
04. Octavarium - 7 for me so only a few spots lower. In spite of my earlier comment about some of DT's epics, this one does actually feel very coherent - the sections flow into each other seamlessly and as others have sent, there is a consistent build of intensity and momentum right up until the climax. The melodic parts, in particular Someone Like Him and Medicate are among my favourite DT have ever produced and the fact that they come right after one another... it's simply glorious. I very much hope this makes some kind of return live... although I'd be curious to see how JLB handles the screams in Intervals now.
03. A Change of Seasons - 8 for me, only one behind 8V. Not much to add, a classic DT epic, consistently enjoyable throughout with MP's lyrics in my opinion achieving the perfect balance between emotional/personal whilst also being poetic and ambiguous enough to allow different interpretations. In hindsight, a good thing this didn't end up on I&W as originally planned - the song ultimately benefited with a couple of extra of years crafting and slight changes to the lyrics compared to the original demo.
Think I can guess what the top 2 are going to be now... the only real question is, which way round will it be? Can't wait to find out!
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Rank - Song - My Rank
3 - A Change of Seasons - 2 - an absolute highlight live every time they break it out, and a song I never tire of hearing (spun it yesterday). Bested only by the first song I ever heard by DT
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I thought this would be #2. There is not a single second of this piece that feels wasted. Plus it has Labrie's best performance in the "Another world" section. The section from 17:00 - 18:30 is freaking awesome.
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Well, duh. Best song ever, and I wish ScurvyDreams was still here because back in the day he had an epic post about why ACOS is clearly better than OV. Surprised it fell to #3 but then again a lot of the newer younger fans don't seem to get it.
1 A Change of Seasons
3 Under a Glass Moon
4 Breaking all Illusions
5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
7 In the Name of God
8 The Count of Tuscany
9 The Great Debate
11 Outcry
12 Overture 1928
13 Octavarium
14 Blind Faith
15 Fatal Tragedy
16 One Last Time
17 Home
18 Illumination Theory
19 Beyond This Life
20 Lost Not Forgotten
21 Surrounded
22 A View From the Top of the World
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
27 Take the Time
28 Fall Into the Light
29 Bridges in the Sky
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
32 Scarred
33 Disappear
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
41 Pale Blue Dot
42 The Root of All Evil
46 Misunderstood
48 A Fortune in Lies
51 Barstool Warrior
52 Our New World
53 At Wit's End
54 Wither
55 The Alien
56 Lifting Shadows off a Dream
57 Surrender to Reason
58 Raise the Knife
59 Innocence Faded
61 I Walk Beside You
62 Endless Sacrifice
63 Awaken the Master
64 The Looking Glass
65 Wait for Sleep
66 The Bigger Picture
67 A Nightmare to Remember
68 Sleeping Giant
69 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
70 The Ministry of Lost Souls
71 Pull Me Under
72 The Dance of Eternity
75 Panic Attack
76 Transcending Time
78 Ytse Jam
79 Sacrificed Sons
80 Strange Deja-Vu
81 The Gift of Music
84 Answering the Call
88 The Mirror
92 Voices
93 Another Day
94 Trial of Tears
95 On the Backs of Angels
97 The Shattered Fortress
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen, These Walls, Caught in a Web, Lie, This Dying Soul, Peruvian Skies, As I Am, Erotomania, Stream of Consciousness, 6:00, Space-Dye Vest, The Spirit Carries On, Lines in the Sand, ITPoE, Finally Free, The Glass Prison
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time, Outcry, Under a Glass Moon, A Change of Seasons
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I had A Change Of Seasons at #30... Had I done a thorough DT album run before sending my list (I'm going through one at the moment), this would have placed way higher than that. Not sure it would crack my Top 10 though. It's a classic DT epic for sure, but something stops it from being among my very favourites. Plenty of good stuff here nonetheless: that guitar intro, the Carpe Diem section gives me chills every time, and The Crimson Sunset is a lovely ending.
"Seasons change and so can I..."
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Still my favorite song from them. Was really disappointed to find out that, when I left a DT show early due to feeling ill, they played it as the encore. Ah well. One day.
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Top 3:
03. A Change Of Seasons
Highest Finish: 1 (Adami, axeman90210, devieira73, Dream Team, hefdaddy42, jeff_kinsley, JPZealot, lucasembarbosa, pg1067, Revenge319, romdrums, Vmadera00)
Number of Lists appeared on: 64 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had A Change Of Seasons at #17.
I probably have that a tad low, and I need to listen to it more. It's just that I don't go for it very often anymore.
Still, it's a great song!
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 6:00 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 The Root Of All Evil Transcending Time
95 Lie Behind The Veil
94 New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Glass Prison The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 Zydar The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot As I Am
84 Misunderstood
83 The Mirror
82 Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
81 Home
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78 Stream Of Consciousness
77 A Nightmare To Remember
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72 Beyond This Life
71 Pull Me Under
70 One Last Time
69 Surrender Of Reason
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65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58 Wait For Sleep
57 Illumination Theory
56 The Spirit Carries On
55 Under A Glass Moon
54 Barstool Warrior
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52 Finally Free
51 Erotomania
50 In The Name Of God
49 Strange Deja Vu
48 Bridges In The Sky
47 Blind Faith
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45 Overture 1928
44 Panic Attack
43 Innocence Faded
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
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39 A View From The Top Of The World
38 At Wits End
37 Fall Into The Light
36 In The Presence Of Enemies
35 The Gift Of Music
34 The Dance Of Eternity
33 Peruvian Skies
32 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
31 Ytse Jam
30 Trial Of Tears
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28 The Enemy Inside
27 Voices
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25 Surrounded
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20 This Dying Soul
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17 A Change Of Seasons
16 The Alien
15 Fatal Tragedy
14 The Best Of Times
13 Endless Sacrifice
12
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10 Take The Time
9 Breaking All Illusions
8 Lines In The Sand
7 Disappear
6 The Count Of Tuscany
5 Space Dye Vest
4 The Killing Hand
3 Scarred
2 Octavarium
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Wow... TWO people omitted it. :omg:
My number 2 song. It too is flawless, and has one thing that 8vm lacks... a bunch of really crunch/heavy/metal riffs. But it still lacks a certain je ne sais quois for me (vs 8vm) that leaves it at #2 on my list.
Fascinating ... ACOS had 12 people rate it #1, and left off of 2 lists; 8vm had 13 rate it #1, and left off of no lists - yet ACOS edges it out.
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A Change of Seasons ranked nr 2 for me. I remember buying the ep on release day and going home to play it. I was hooked from the first guitar tones to the end. Such a great epic with all members firing on all cylinders. Great lyrics by MP too. For some reason I have alwsys enjoyed the part beginning with "Preparing for her flight".... and it's almost at the middle so there is as much awesomeness to come as what has been.
To me they could play this on every tour.
Oh.... and "Oh come let us adore him".... goosebump moments abound on this amazing song.
My ranking so far
1 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9)
2 A Change of Seasons (3)
3 Octavarium (4)
4
5 Take the Time (17)
6 Another Day (38)
7 Space-Dye Vest (30)
8 One Last Time (46)
9 Trial of Tears (6)
10
11 The Dance of Eternity (33)
12 The Spirit Carries On (26)
13 Surrounded (20)
14 Home (5)
15 Voices (7)
16 Pull Me Under (14)
17 The Mirror (27)
18 Finally Free (19)
19 The Silent Man (66)
20 Illumination Theory (25)
21 Caught In a Web (51)
22 6:00 (34)
24 Scarred (12)
25 Fatal Tragedy (13)
27 Wait For Sleep (44t)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
35 Beyond This Life (24)
36 Strange Deja Vu (18)
37 Our New World (93)
38 Innocence Faded (42)
40 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (35)
41 A View from the Top of the World (49t)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
46 Under a Glass Moon (16)
47 Lie (47t)
48 Erotomania (40)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
56 The Count of Tuscany (10)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
63 Bridges In the Sky (23)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
61 At Wit's End ( 37)
62 Stream of Consciousness (39)
73 As I Am (43)
74 The Root of All Evil(36)
75 The Alien (69)
76 Breaking All Illusions (8)
77 A Nightmare To Remember (49t)
78 Misunderstood (31)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
86 Peruvian Skies (44t)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
90 The Glass Prison (15)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
96 Endless Sacrifice (29)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Highest ranker of
8 One Last Time (46), 1 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52), This Dying Soul (47t), Disappear (41), Overture 1928 (32), Lines In The Sand (28), In the Presence of Enemies (22), Blind Faith (21), In the Name of God (11)
Rated: 65
Not rated: 33
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ACOS remains my favorite long form DT epic for sure. Probably not a top 3 DT song for me, but it is very very good and I don’t think they’ve topped it in terms of 20+ minute pieces. So many epic parts, but I’ll always love the JP solo after “I won’t let them push me away,” the instrumental section that comes in after the siren/horn sound, and the Crimson Sunset section is just tremendous.
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Wow... TWO people omitted it. :omg:
And it looks like one of them is Stadler. To be fair, Stads is the one who has Cover My Eyes as his number 1, so, you know, TASTES. ::) ;) ;D
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A Change of Seasons- My #1 with a bullet. The first 20+ minute prog epic I heard from any band, and still my favorite. Each section is unique while serving the whole piece, the band is firing on all cylinders, and the lyrics from MP are poignant. Not only my favorite DT song, my favorite song period.
All of this exactly, except the bolded (my favorite is Stranger In Your Soul by Transatlantic).
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Man, this song is such a monster!
MP really shined lyrically on this. I think, for both him and JP, they are at their best when they are looking inward or going autobiographical.
A song like this is what elevated DT above bands like Maiden–the subject matter just hits you like a ton of bricks, especially as you begin to age and life starts dealing you shit-sandwiches.
Don't get me wrong, I will forever love 'Invaaaaaadddddderrrrrs....PILLAGING!," but "A Change of Seasons" has literally moved me to tears in multiple decades of my life.
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A Change of seasons was my #4. The closer we get to the number one, the less there is to say about certain songs. This one speaks for itself.
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Never saw 8VM live, but I did see ACOS. It was truly epic.
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Wow... TWO people omitted it. :omg:
And it looks like one of them is Stadler. To be fair, Stads is the one who has Cover My Eyes as his number 1, so, you know, TASTES. ::) ;) ;D
Evermind was the other. Let's put them in the spotlight a little :lol
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
155. Hell's Kitchen
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
146. Disappear
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
142. Ytsejam
139. Panic Attack
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
132. Barstool Warrior
127. Lines In The Sand
125. Stream Of Consciousness
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
118. In The Presence Of Enemies
117. Breaking All Illusions
109. Outcry
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
103. A Change Of Seasons
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100.Scarred
99. No chance of making the list at this point
98. Another Day
97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
95. The Great Debate
94. No chance of making the list at this point
93. No chance of making the list at this point
92. No chance of making the list at this point
91. The Glass Prison
90. On The Backs Of Angels
89. No chance of making the list at this point
88. No chance of making the list at this point
87. Finally Free
86. No chance of making the list at this point
85. Constant Motion
84. Beneath The Surface
83. At Wit's End
82. Peruvian Skies
81. Space Dye Vest
80. The Enemy Inside
79. The Count Of Tuscany
78. Hollow Years
77. Fatal Tragedy
76. The Shattered Fortress
75. No chance of making the list at this point
74. No chance of making the list at this point
73. Lie
72. No chance of making the list at this point
71. No chance of making the list at this point
70. No chance of making the list at this point
69. The Mirror
68. A Nightmare To Remember
67. The Silent Man
66. The Root Of All Evil
65. The Spirit Carries On
64. No chance of making the list at this point
63. No chance of making the list at this point
62. As I Am
61. These Walls
60. No chance of making the list at this point
59. The Gift of Music
58. Illumination Theory
57. The Bigger Picture
56. One Last Time
55. Pale Blue Dot
54. Answering The Call
53. Trial Of Tears
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
50. No chance of making the list at this point
49. No chance of making the list at this point
48. Endless Sacrifice
47. No chance of making the list at this point
46. A New Beginning
45. No chance of making the list at this point
44. Forsaken
43. A View From The Top Of The World
42. Slim chance of making the list at this point
41. The Looking Glass
40. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
39. No chance of making the list at this point
38. The Dance Of Eternity
37. Beyond This Life
36. New Millenium
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
34. Wait For Sleep
33. Transcending Time
32. Blind Faith
31. The Best Of Times
30. Erotomania
29. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
28. Our New World
27. In The Name Of God
26. Bridges In The Sky
25. Raise The Knife
24. 6:00
23. I Walk Beside You
22. Slim chance of making the list at this point
21. Sacrificed Sons
20. Take The Time
19. Caught In A Web
18. No chance of making the list at this point
17. Lock to make the list
16. Octavarium
15. Under A Glass Moon
14. To Live Forever
13. Home
12. Slim chance of making the list
11. Surrounded
10. Lock to make the list
9. Innocence Faded
8. Pull Me Under
7. This Dying Soul
6. Misunderstood
5. This Is The Life
4. Overture 1928
3. Strange Deja Vu
2. Voices
1. No chance of making the list at this point
Total respect for those that love it, and if it moves you, then I (legit) could not be happier, since that's the whole point of music, to CONNECT. Probably the two best things I can say about this song is that it DOES connect - and has continued to do so over the years - and the lyrics (arguably Mike's best).
But... it just doesn't connect with me.
My favorite album side epics are, in order, Alive Again, Supper's Ready, and either Octavarium or the live Suite Charlotte Pike medley with the Abbey Road interpolations. Every one of them has a moment that is chill inducing (the Bill section in AA, the "There's an angel standing in the sun..." section in SR...). There's just nothing in there that separates like that for me. It also is sort of symbolic of the Derek-era, which is my least favorite (if you're counting by "keyboard players"). Maybe if it DID appear on an album, in context with other things, it might be different, but it feels like... not a throwaway, but like it's a ship without a port. I also haven't seen it live, so there's that as well.
Lyrically, though... that's a tour de force.
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Interesting that you mention some of the other side long epics. ACOS was definitely my first exposure to a long form epic song, so it’s kind of the song I (at least initially) always compared other side long epics to. To me it does have several of those “chill inducing” moments (mentioned three of them in my earlier post).
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04. Octavarium - (#17)
Besides 6DOIT, Octavarium is the epic I like the most. I like the samples of the songs in each section of Intervals, I also like how some songs include the Octavarium melody like The Root of All Evil ending piano. I enjoy Someone Like Him, Medicate (Awakening), and Razors Edge the most
03. A Change of Seasons - (#29)
I first heard this song on Live Scenes. I borrowed a friends DVD and watched it with my dad. It was a great moment, and ACOS was a peak moment when I first heard it. I fell in love with Carpe Diem - Another World instantly. I prefer the transition into The Darkest of Winters on Live Scenes because "Please Don't Go!" adds so much emotion to that part, which I was a bit disappointed when I heard the album version and it didn't have that in there. It is neat hearing the demo/live versions of the song with KM. His keyboard solo spot in TDOW is neat. There are some parts of the earlier version I wish would've been kept like the fast paced part in The Inevitable Summer. Overall, This is still a fantastic song, and one I am glad I got to see live.
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A Change of Seasons was my number 2. The quintessential prog metal long song that still feels like a single song. Would have loved for the studio version to exist with Kevin Moore and pre-injury for James, but it's alright this way as well. Emotions and goosebumps all the way through. I'm glad I was able to hear it live twice, almost 20 years apart!
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Top 3:
03. A Change Of Seasons
Highest Finish: 1 (Adami, axeman90210, devieira73, Dream Team, hefdaddy42, jeff_kinsley, JPZealot, lucasembarbosa, pg1067, Revenge319, romdrums, Vmadera00)
Number of Lists appeared on: 64 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Epic followed by another epic. ACOS is a great song through and through. It stay remarkably consistent throughout it's long runtime.
Damn! TWO people didn't have ACOS in the top 100??!! ACOS is perfect in every conceivable way. Others have commented on the song itself, and the only point I'll make in that regard is that the production is spectacular. It's one of the rare DT recordings with crystal clear bass, and some of JP's guitar tones (especially in The Darkest of Winters) are incredible. A story: I got into DT in the summer of 1992. In July (I think) 1993, I bought my first computer. By that time, I had seen DT four times. Each time, the set consisted of the entirety of I&W, along with a song or two from WDADU and things like Puppies on Acid, To Live Forever and Eve. After I got my computer, I got online using *Prodigy, and I found a tape trading board. I had nothing to trade, but I found a guy who was willing to send me the 3/4/93 Limelight show if I sent him a blank tape. I was familiar with almost everything, but there was this song called A Change of Seasons. Holy crap! This thing is amazing. Is it going to be on the next album? Nope.... Sigh.... Then, two years later, a friend called me and played the intro to ACOS over the phone. That sounds cool. Of course, I didn't recognize it because it was a new intro to the song. I went out and bought the EP and was beyond blown away. I pulled my tape out and compared. Great song. Great memories.
ACOS finished at #2 in the prior countdown.
List Not Ranked
100 This Dying Soul (47T) Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall into the Light (72), Honor Thy Father (71), Raise the Knife (65), The Great Debate (53), Peruvian Skies (44T), Disappear (41), The Mirror (27)
98 Far from Heaven (NR)
97 This Is the Life (88)
96 Prophets of War (NR)
95 A Rite of Passage (NR)
94 The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun (NR)
93 Lines in the Sand (28)
92 The Ministry of Lost Souls (61)
91 Build Me Up; Break Me Down (NR)
90 False Awakening Suite (NR)
89 Under a Glass Moon (16)
88 Another Day (38)
87 Innocence Faded (42)
86 Lie (47T)
85 In the Presence of Enemies (22)
84 Forsaken (95)
83 Enigma Machine (NR)
82 Erotomania (40)
81 The Spirit Carries On (26)
80
79 Vacant (97)
78 Wait for Sleep (44T)
77 The Silent Man (66)
76
75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
74
73 A Nightmare to Remember (50)
72
71 These Walls (54)
70
69 At Wit's End (37)
68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
67 The Dark Eternal Night (70)
66 Pale Blue Dot (62)
65 Transcending Time (90)
64
63 Space-Dye Vest (30)
62
61 Beneath the Surface (64)
60 Hell's Kitchen (57)
59 Afterlife (96)
58
57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
56
55 The Alien (69)
54 The Root of All Evil (36)
53 The Bigger Picture (60)
52 Trial of Tears (6)
51 Pull Me Under (14)
50
49 As I Am (43)
48 A View from the Top of the World (49)
47 Lifting Shadows off a Dream (35)
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45 The Glass Prison (15)
44 On the Backs of Angels (56)
43 Ytse Jam (67)
42 One Last Time (46)
41 Through Her Eyes (74)
40 The Dance of Eternity (33)
39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
38 Hollow Years (59)
37
36 Caught in a Web (51)
35 Barstool Warrior (52)
34 Endless Sacrifice (29)
33 Outcry (58)
32 6:00 (34)
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30 Bridges in the Sky (23)
29 Misunderstood (31)
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26 Finally Free (19)
25 Overture 1928 (32)
24 Beyond This Life (24)
23 Take the Time (17)
22 Surrounded (20)
21 Strange Deja Vu (18)
20 Voices (7)
19 Sacrificed Sons (63)
18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
16 The Count of Tuscany (10)
15 The Killing Hand (68)
14 Panic Attack (55)
13 Illumination Theory (25)
12 Breaking All Illusions (8)
11 Stream of Consciousness (39)
10 Fatal Tragedy (13)
9 Blind Faith (21)
8 In the Name of God (11)
7 Scarred (12)
6 Home (5)
5 Octavarium (4)
4 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9)
3
2
1 A Change of Seasons (3) (high ranker)
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100. Never Enough Not ranked
99. Wither 77
98. The Gift Of Music Not ranked
97. Vacant Not ranked
96. Afterlife 32
95. Forsaken Not ranked
94. S2N 52
93. Our New World 80
92. The Looking Glass 83
91. A New Beginning 100
90. Transcending Time 33
89. Behind The Veil 86
88. This Is The Life Not ranked
87. New Millennium Not ranked
86. Constant Motion 78
85. Sleeping Giant 91
83t. The Enemy Inside 89
83t. Surrender To Reason 60
82. Only A Matter Of Time Not ranked
81. Awaken The Master 12
80. I Walk Beside You Not ranked
79. The Shattered Fortress 45
78. A Fortune In Lies 94
77. The Best Of Times 75
76. The Live Forever 24
75. Answering The Call 74
74. Through Her Eyes Not ranked
73. Lost Not Forgotten 95
72. Fall Into The Light 51
71. Honor Thy Father Not ranked
70. The Dark Eternal Night 15
69. The Alien 43
68. The Killing Hand 81
67. Ytse Jam 58
66. The Silent Man 66
65. Raise The Knife 65
64. Beneath The Surface Not ranked
63. Sacrificed Sons 30
62. Pale Blue Dot 31
61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls 76
60. The Bigger Picture 41
59. Hollow Years Not ranked
58. Outcry 54
57. Hell's Kitchen 69
56. On The Backs Of Angels 27
55. Panic Attack 98
54. These Walls 59
53. The Great Debate 85
52. Barstool Warrior 35
51. Caught In A Web 73
50. A Nightmare To Remember 22
49. A View From The Top Of The World 53
47t. Lie 55
47t. This Dying Soul 34
46. One Last Time Not ranked
44t. Peruvian Skies 61
44t. Wait For Sleep 56
43. As I Am 71
42. Innocence Faded 29
41. Disappear 62
40. Erotomania 25
39. Stream Of Consciousness Not ranked
38. Another Day 42
37. At Wit's End 37
36. The Root Of All Evil 39
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream 21
34. 6:00 67
33. The Dance Of Eternity 63
32. Overture 1928 64
31. Misunderstood 50
30. Space-Dye Vest 48
29. Endless Sacrifice 97
28. Lines In The Sand 14
27. The Mirror 44
26. The Spirit Carries On 23
25. Illumination Theory 49
24. Beyond This Life 10
23. Bridges In The Sky 36
22. In The Presence Of Enemies 40
21. Blind Faith 20
20. Surrounded 9
19. Finally Free 11
18. Strange Deja Vu 46
17. Take The Time 8
16. Under A Glass Moon 19
15. The Glass Prison 6
14. Pull Me Under 57
13. Fatal Tragedy 28
12. Scarred 38
11. In The Name Of God 16
10. The Count Of Tuscany 7
09. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence 3
08. Breaking All Illusions 13
07. Voices 17
06. Trial Of Tears 26
05. Home 18
04. Octavarium 1
03. A Change Of Seasons 4
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Damn! TWO people didn't have ACOS in the top 100??!! ACOS is perfect in every conceivable way. Others have commented on the song itself, and the only point I'll make in that regard is that the production is spectacular. It's one of the rare DT recordings with crystal clear bass, and some of JP's guitar tones (especially in The Darkest of Winters) are incredible. A story: I got into DT in the summer of 1992. In July (I think) 1993, I bought my first computer. By that time, I had seen DT four times. Each time, the set consisted of the entirety of I&W, along with a song or two from WDADU and things like Puppies on Acid, To Live Forever and Eve. After I got my computer, I got online using *Prodigy, and I found a tape trading board. I had nothing to trade, but I found a guy who was willing to send me the 3/4/93 Limelight show if I sent him a blank tape. I was familiar with almost everything, but there was this song called A Change of Seasons. Holy crap! This thing is amazing. Is it going to be on the next album? Nope.... Sigh.... Then, two years later, a friend called me and played the intro to ACOS over the phone. That sounds cool. Of course, I didn't recognize it because it was a new intro to the song. I went out and bought the EP and was beyond blown away. I pulled my tape out and compared. Great song. Great memories.
ACOS finished at #2 in the prior countdown.
It’s funny because originally I just hated that tiny, piccolo snare sound. It was kind of a major obstacle for me even though I really liked the song. These days I don’t mind it so much, but I do still think the album sounds a bit lower budget compared to Awake and FII which bookend it.
It does have its own character and charm though.
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Wow... TWO people omitted it. :omg:
My number 2 song. It too is flawless, and has one thing that 8vm lacks... a bunch of really crunch/heavy/metal riffs. But it still lacks a certain je ne sais quois for me (vs 8vm) that leaves it at #2 on my list.
Fascinating ... ACOS had 12 people rate it #1, and left off of 2 lists; 8vm had 13 rate it #1, and left off of no lists - yet ACOS edges it out.
That's actually an intriguing viewpoint; I kinda feel the opposite in that ACoS has the heavier 7-string sections: the opening riff when the whole band kicks in and later on the "train" beat after that epic JP solo.
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ACoS (my #1) is my fave DT song since I've heard it for the first time in the live bootleg Dance of Eternity, wich is that New York show released later on as a Official Bootleg and LNF. Surely the studio version managed to improve it even more. It has everything that is amazing in a DT song allied to their youthness and magic touch from I&W days. And, on top of that, it has the best and most epic DT lyrics until this day.
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Wow... TWO people omitted it. :omg:
And it looks like one of them is Stadler. To be fair, Stads is the one who has Cover My Eyes as his number 1, so, you know, TASTES. ::) ;) ;D
Evermind was the other. Let's put them in the spotlight a little :lol
Yeah, I said even before the countdown ACOS won't make my list.
A Change of Seasons - not ranked - it's not bad, not at all, just... not something I really like or care about. I think what really made it worse is that it's not on any DT album, and I mostly listen to albums. I did spin it a good number of times in the past (and a few times before the countdown too to see if my opinion has changed), but nowadays if I want to listen to DT, I'll just pick something else.
Stadler basically nailed it:
Total respect for those that love it, and if it moves you, then I (legit) could not be happier, since that's the whole point of music, to CONNECT. Probably the two best things I can say about this song is that it DOES connect - and has continued to do so over the years - and the lyrics (arguably Mike's best).
But... it just doesn't connect with me.
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Maybe if it DID appear on an album, in context with other things, it might be different, but it feels like... not a throwaway, but like it's a ship without a port. I also haven't seen it live, so there's that as well.
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Stadler basically nailed it:
Illogical
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Well, duh. Best song ever, and I wish ScurvyDreams was still here because back in the day he had an epic post about why ACOS is clearly better than OV. Surprised it fell to #3 but then again a lot of the newer younger fans don't seem to get it.
Relative new (although not young per se), but next to Octavarium, A Change of Seasons is my favorite song ever.
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ACOS - 3
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A Change of Seasons: 12. Their best and most cohesive epic, musically and lyrically (being ITPOE split in two). Only regret I have is it didn't get the FII sound production treatment, but I still have Live Scenes for a pretty good sounding iteration. It being ranked 12th is just the other 11 songs' fault.
The Score so far:
2 - Scarred
3 - The Spirit Carries On
4 - Lines in the Sand
5 - In the Presence of Enemies
6 - Trial of Tears
7 - Misunderstood
9 - Space-Dye Vest
10 - Voices
11 - Beyond This Life
12 - A Change of Seasons
13 - Breaking All Illusions
14 - Stream of Consciousness
16 - Under a Glass Moon
17 - Bridges in the Sky
19 - Illumination Theory
21 - A New Beginning
23 - Disappear
24 - Pull Me Under
25 - Surrounded
26 - Fatal Tragedy
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
31 - Erotomania
32 - Strange Deja-Vu
33 - Surrender to Reason
34 - Take the Time
35 - Finally Free
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
39 - The Count of Tuscany
42 - Another Day
43 - One Last Time
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
49 - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
50 - In the Name of God
51 - Home
53 - Octavarium
54 - Peruvian Skies
55 - The Dance of Eternity
56 - The Bigger Picture
61 - Wait for Sleep
64 - Blind Faith
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
69 - Overture 1928
70 - Innocence Faded
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
76 - Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
77 - At Wit's End
78 - Lie
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
88 - The Mirror
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
91 - 6:00
92 - The Killing Hand
93 - Endless Sacrifice
95 - Barstool Warrior
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 33
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A Change of Seasons - well I thought I was going to nail the top 2 but alas it didn't happen. Maybe missing two lists contributed. Sure it is all 'tastes' but this is also a forum of DT fans so being a fan of the band and leaving ACOS out of the top 100 doesn't compute with me and feels more like a 'look at me power grab' but anyway....my number 2 song.
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I haven't even begun to try to post my individual thoughts on each song that made the cut, but ACOS is my number 1. I became a DT fan in August of 1992, and I remember reading in MP's first interview with Modern Drummer, he talked about the song, and how they had wanted to include it on I&W, and when it didn't make it onto Awake, I was curious as to why. Then they released it on its own, with the Ronnie Scott cuts, and I really only listened to the title track anyway. But I listened to the shit out of it. Everyone talks about JP's Another World solo, but for me, his solo in The Darkest of Winters is where he really shines, and the transition from that into Derek's screaming synth solo was perfect. Also, this song is so much fun to play drums with. Got to see it live about 20 years ago (holy shit!! :eek) as the encore and it was the perfect end to what remains my favorite DT live experience https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=39030.msg1675278#msg1675278 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=39030.msg1675278#msg1675278).
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A Change of Seasons - well I thought I was going to nail the top 2 but alas it didn't happen. Maybe missing two lists contributed. Sure it is all 'tastes' but this is also a forum of DT fans so being a fan of the band and leaving ACOS out of the top 100 doesn't compute with me and feels more like a 'look at me power grab' but anyway....my number 2 song.
That's a pretty bold statement.
I've been pretty up front over the years about what I like and what I don't like. It doesn't always make sense, but then again, it's not about logic or reason, it's visceral. Sure, things can change over the years, but it's not conscious. If nothing else, I think my roulette performance over the years shows I'm not really in it for the "power grab". I don't give a rat's ass what other people think of what I like nor do I care what they like (other than as friendly conversation); you don't experience the emotion when I listen, and I don't experience the emotion when you listen.
When I'm in my car, or working around the house, or just need to escape, I listen to what moves me. I'm so sorry it doesn't conform to the group, but ACOS doesn't move me.
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1. This Dying Soul
2. In The Name of God
3. Stream of Consciousness
4. Blind Faith
5. Breaking All Illusions
6. Disappear
7. Endless Sacrifice
8. Octavarium
9. A Change of Seasons
10. Trial of Tears
11. Home
12. Outcry
13. Misunderstood
14. Finally Free
15. Bridges in the Sky
16. Voices
17. The Count of Tuscany
18. The Glass Prison
19. Erotomania
20. As I Am
21. The Great Debate
22. The Shattered Fortress
23. Answering The Call
24. In The Presence of Enemies
25. Lines in the Sand
26. Surrounded
27. Awaken The Master
28.
29. Pull Me Under
30. The Root of all Evil
31. Illumination Theory
32. Forsaken
33. A View From The Top Of The World
34. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
35. At Wits' End
36. Beneath The Surface
37. Innocence Faded
38. Peruvian Skies
39. Take The Time
40. Fatal Tragedy
41. The Best of Times
42. On The Backs of Angels
43. Scarred
44. Beyond This Life
45. The Mirror
46. Panic Attack
47. Lie
48. Another Day
49. The Alien
50.
51. Behind the Veil
52. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
53. These Walls
54.
55. The Ministry of Lost Souls
56. Sleeping Giant
57. Fall Into The Light
58. Pale Blue Dot
59.
60. Sacrificed Sons
61. Honor Thy Father
62. New Millennium
63. Overture 1928
64. Barstool Warrior
65.
66. Hell's Kitchen
67. Space-Dye Vest
68. 6:00
69. The Bigger Picture
70. The Spirit Carries On
71. Transcending Time (my lowest ranked song from View)
72.
73. I Walk Beside You
74.
75. Never Enough
76. Hollow Years (#TeamBudokan by the way)
77.
78.
79. Caught In A Web
80. Strange Deja Vu
81.
82.
83.
84.
85.
86. Surrender To Reason
87.
88. Vacant (lowest ranked song from ToT)
89. The Dance of Eternity
90.
91. One Last Time
92. The Looking Glass
93. A Fortune In Lies
94. Ytse Jam
95. Afterlife
96. Under A Glass Moon
97.
98. Constant Motion
99.
100. The Enemy Inside
A Change Of Seasons came in at #9 for me. If this countdown had been about what I consider to be the band's 'objectively best' songs (#FreeWildRanger) then I'd probably place it at the top. Compositionally it's a masterpiece. I just don't listen to it all that much these days, hence its position on my list.
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Who's up for a pre-'top 2' forum competition?
I'm guessing Reaper will reveal the full list in the next 1 or 2 days, so which song do you think just missed out and came in at position #101? No lists of possibles, you can name only 1. I'm going with Take Away My Pain.
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A Change of Seasons - well I thought I was going to nail the top 2 but alas it didn't happen. Maybe missing two lists contributed. Sure it is all 'tastes' but this is also a forum of DT fans so being a fan of the band and leaving ACOS out of the top 100 doesn't compute with me and feels more like a 'look at me power grab' but anyway....my number 2 song.
That's a pretty bold statement.
I've been pretty up front over the years about what I like and what I don't like. It doesn't always make sense, but then again, it's not about logic or reason, it's visceral. Sure, things can change over the years, but it's not conscious. If nothing else, I think my roulette performance over the years shows I'm not really in it for the "power grab". I don't give a rat's ass what other people think of what I like nor do I care what they like (other than as friendly conversation); you don't experience the emotion when I listen, and I don't experience the emotion when you listen.
When I'm in my car, or working around the house, or just need to escape, I listen to what moves me. I'm so sorry it doesn't conform to the group, but ACOS doesn't move me.
All good I was just checking if anyone reads my posts, as it normally doesn't feel like it. So thanks for reading and replying. I know you have your own very bold takes - as I definitely read your posts and have done so for many, many years even on MP's forum when that was open but I still really struggle to connect to understanding how a DT fan cannot have ACOS in their top 100. But you have done your best to explain it and I guess I am just a bit miffed ACOS didn't rank at 2 overall..
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Who's up for a pre-'top 2' forum competition?
I'm guessing Reaper will reveal the full list in the next 1 or 2 days, so which song do you think just missed out and came in at position #101? No lists of possibles, you can name only 1. I'm going with Take Away My Pain.
I go with The Answer Lies Within (FWIW, my #22)
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That's actually a difficult question.
I wanted to guess The Answer Lies Within as well anyway.
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Who's up for a pre-'top 2' forum competition?
I'm guessing Reaper will reveal the full list in the next 1 or 2 days, so which song do you think just missed out and came in at position #101? No lists of possibles, you can name only 1. I'm going with Take Away My Pain.
There were seven songs that made the top 100 this time that didn't make it last time: Wither and six songs from View. That means seven songs that made the list last time didn't make it this time. Five of those songs were clustered together, and only one made my list (which I regard as relevant since I didn't participate last time), so that's the one I'm going to guess: A Life Left Behind. BTW, TAMP finished at #110 last time, and TALW finished at #122.
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I'll also go with an Astonishing song, but my pick is Moment of Betrayal, with I thought was a given for this - one of the few I was expecting to make it.
I could also list my #3 which didn't make the list - unsurprising since it didn't make it last time, but I remember Kev, who also loves the song, told me it just barely missed the list. However, with more people contributing lists this time, the chances of it being 101 are even less than last time.
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I also had ACOS at number 3. The LSFNY video of this song is one of my most watched live vids of all time, it's fucking perfect.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 Disappear The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84 Stream Of Consciousness
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77 Lines in the Sand
76
75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
73 One Last Time
72 Peruvian Skies
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63 Panic Attack
62 Surrounded
61 On the Backs of Angels
60 Beyond This Life
59 Trial of Tears
58 Afterlife
57 Caught In A Web
56 Breaking All Illusions
55 Visions
54 The Great Debate
53 A Nightmare to Remember
52 Erotomania
51 Answering the Call
50 The Spirit Carries On
49 Space-Dye Vest
48 The Shattered Fortress
47 Finally Free
46 As I Am
45 Bridges in the Sky
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43
42 Never Enough
41 Wait For Sleep
40 6:00
39 Strange Deja Vu
38 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulance
37 The Bigger Picture
36 Outcry
35 Take the Time
34 Lie
33 The Root of All Evil
32 I Walk Beside You
31 Overture 1928
30 A View From the Top of the World
29 Surrender to Reason
28 Barstool Warrior
27 Another Day
26 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
25 Endless Sacrifice
24 Innocence Faded
23 Misunderstood
22 Under A Glass Moon
21 In the Presence of Enemies
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18 Pull Me Under
17 The Dance of Eternity
16 In the Name of God
15 Fatal Tragedy
14 The Count of Tuscany
13 These Walls
12 At Wit's End
11 The Mirror
10 Scarred
9 Home
8 The Glass Prison
7
6 Blind Faith
5 Illumination Theory
4
3 A Change of Seasons
2 This Dying Soul.
1 Octavarium
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25. Illumination Theory (91st) DREAM THEATER, IF YOU'RE READING THIS, DO MORE STUFF IN THE VEIN OF THE LAST FEW MINUTES OF THIS SONG. SO GOOD.
24. Beyond This Life (88th) I'm a SFAM hater, what can I say? It's an okay song though.
23. Bridges In The Sky (8th) This song could be top 5 but the intro is too long, it's otherwise a stellar song. When JLB sings "crossing bridges in the sky", it's so good.
22. In The Presence Of Enemies (28th) Cool epic on a weird album. I don't like the Dark Master part. Everything else is good. Odd song for DT, though.
21. Blind Faith (42nd) Easily the worst track of SDOIT but still just fine.
20. Surrounded (25th) What a lovely song. Just, so bouncy but then a bit serious. DT does this style of song nicely.
19. Finally Free (76th) SFAM, yeah....
18. Strange Deja Vu (89th) Lol. The "uncanny strange deja vu" does pop into my mind at times.
17. Take The Time (19th) The energy in this song is really vibrant. JLB is having fun and the music is good.
16. Under A Glass Moon (67th) It's a fine song, with a cool intro. It's always been the weakest or second weakest track on IaW to me, though.
15. The Glass Prison (3rd) This is 15th and I am shocked. I know some of the songs remaining, but I thought this was one of the most favored songs. Interesting. Anyway, this song is just pure gas for a long time.
14. Pull Me Under (77th) This and UAGM are fine songs, but they can swap being the worst or 2nd worst on the album, but they have stiff competition. Also surprised this is so high, is it because it's their most famous song?
13. Fatal Tragedy (90th) What a canyon between my ranking and the consensus. Yeah, it's a SFAM song, for some reason that album doesn't gel with me.
12. Scarred (69th) It's a fine song, but I often forget how it even sounds when I see it talked about.
11. In The Name Of God (13th) Hell yeah. I avoided this song for a while when this album was the new stuff, IDK why, I just was loving the rest of the album and this was the last song. It is pretty much flawless. I love the choir at the end, subtle enough to enjoy (and JLB's screaming as well).
10. The Count Of Tuscany (6th) This (and several other songs) are what DT do best in the modern era (I am thinking post-8VM). You can have the metal in "prog metal" but don't leave behind the prog, or the beautiful melodies and tight compositions. The intro might be a top 5, maybe a top 3 DT intro, musically speaking. The ending is great, it's fun to sing and play on the acoustic (capo on 4th fret).
09. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (4th) I hate ranking this as a single song. Like others, this is a collection of 8 different ideas/tracks/songs, but they're all great songs (maybe besides Goodnight Kiss, that one is decent). But since we have to bow to the wishes of the almighty band, here we are. Not my actual 4th favorite, but yeah, each part is a great picture of different mental illnesses. Favorites include Solitary Shell, The Test..., and Losing Time.
08. Breaking All Illusions (11th) 3rd best song from the MM era. It just slaps, and it does it better than Learning to Live.
07. Voices (40th) Excellent song, but 7th?! Wow. But I think I get it, it's not a prog epic but an emotional song with a lot of good stuff.
06. Trial Of Tears (31st) Great song from a weird era. Not on the hype train to be 6th best, that is pretty mind-blowing to me.
05. Home (65th) I don't get why people rate this so highly. I deduced it would be in the top 6, and I gave it a listen today and...yeah, there is some powerful music happening there, I can kinda see it being a big hit, but to make top 5, I don't know what I am missing.
04. Octavarium (2nd) This song is one of the best songs ever made to me. Intervals is especially awesome, but every part is its own little world, and I love visiting each part each time.
03. A Change Of Seasons (5th) Really 4th because we cannot dare break up SDOIT, this song is incredible. How can you not love "I'm sick of all you hypocrites holding me at bay!!!". In fact, that is a top 3 DT moment for me, it has an atmosphere that is indescribably beautiful.
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Who's up for a pre-'top 2' forum competition?
I'm guessing Reaper will reveal the full list in the next 1 or 2 days, so which song do you think just missed out and came in at position #101? No lists of possibles, you can name only 1. I'm going with Take Away My Pain.
There were seven songs that made the top 100 this time that didn't make it last time: Wither and six songs from View. That means seven songs that made the list last time didn't make it this time. Five of those songs were clustered together, and only one made my list (which I regard as relevant since I didn't participate last time), so that's the one I'm going to guess: A Life Left Behind. BTW, TAMP finished at #110 last time, and TALW finished at #122.
I’ll guess ALLB too, I’m guessing I might be top ranker for that one, would be cool to see top rankers for the songs that didn’t make it
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I think it’s hard to go by the songs from the last countdown that just missed the cut, as there are more than DOUBLE the amount of people participating this time.
I’ll go with The Answer Lies Within. Though, it ought to be Another Won.
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The Answer Lies Within is special to me. A friend in 2008 wasn't a DT fan but in my car, he heard that song and loved it and would tell me every time I saw him. He died a few months later and that's a strong memory for me.
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I’ll abide by KKs preference, but I’m anxiously awaiting a time we can talk about our “dark horses”. That would be, songs you had very high on the list (top 20-ish) that didn’t make the list at all, but you were hoping might make a showing.
I think it would be cool if everyone too a moment to highlight and talk about their highest rated song that didn’t make the list at all.
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Jammin don't feel like you can't talk about that stuff now.
Personally my number 1 was "The Way It Used To Be" I really love that song and unlike a lot of DT's earlier work it hasn't aged in a bad way. No chance it was making the list here but I still had my hopes.
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And now, after I say that and then get the greenlight, I realize that I didn’t have anything in the top 20 that didn’t make it. :rollin :rollin
But I did have a couple just outside the top 20 that I’m really sorry didn’t end up making a showing at all.
My highest ranking song that did not make the list was Eve at 22. I understand that most of the metalheads here probably think it’s incredibly boring, but I think it’s one of the most beautiful emotionally laden pieces of music that dream theater has ever written.
Maybe it’s just because a lot of people haven’t heard it. I remember that I had a friend who formed a dream theater cover band locally, and he hired a drummer, who was a fairly big dream theater fan and was familiar with most of their album work but had never heard any of the B-sides or demos. I begged him to please check out Eve, and he actually got in contact with me a couple days later just to tell me how completely blown away he was.
Even though it’s definitely not the last song that Kevin wrote for the band it was a B-side in the awake sessions, and feels just as much like a Kevin “swan song” as SDV does.
Eve is just an incredibly gorgeous piece of music. And I even love MP’s tasteful cymbal work on the quiet parts. The whole band just nails it.
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Had this at #2. Like others I did not hear this until Live Scenes. I knew the EP existed, but with limited funds I was not going to buy a CD with a bunch of cover songs I was never going to listen to and one new song.
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Had this at #2. Like others I did not hear this until Live Scenes. I knew the EP existed, but with limited funds I was not going to buy a CD with a bunch of cover songs I was never going to listen to and one new song.
To be fair, it was “EP priced”. Full album at the time ran 14-18 bucks. That EP sold for $9.99, and you got a full side of new music and some B-side live covers as a bonus. Considering it was not sold at full price (and was still 57 minutes long) I think it was very much worth it.
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Had this at #2. Like others I did not hear this until Live Scenes. I knew the EP existed, but with limited funds I was not going to buy a CD with a bunch of cover songs I was never going to listen to and one new song.
To be fair, it was “EP priced”. Full album at the time ran 14-18 bucks. That EP sold for $9.99, and you got a full side of new music and some B-side live covers as a bonus. Considering it was not sold at full price, I think it was very much worth it.
Sure, but I was also a dumb kid and was never going to come to those conclusions myself. :lol
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Jammin don't feel like you can't talk about that stuff now.
Personally my number 1 was "The Way It Used To Be" I really love that song and unlike a lot of DT's earlier work it hasn't aged in a bad way. No chance it was making the list here but I still had my hopes.
This is a top 10 DT song for me too. It's awesome.
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3. A Change of Seasons - Had it at 38 (funny, most of the rank toppers so far ended up in the 30-50 range in my list. barring the next two :o )
Now for jammindude's proposals:
- My highest song that didn't rank at all was Take Away My Pain at #10. And it's not because of MP's preferred live version, as fine as it is – I'm a sucker for everything they did to the song in the studio. I get why the percussion and "beachy" vibes may put people off, but it's ear candy for me. Plus, the whole lyrical inversion from the first to the last stanza is just... beautiful. This band knows how to tug at the heart strings, I'll tell you that.
- My dark horse (in terms of a song that I definitely thought would make the collective list, though definitely not as high as I ranked it), was Status Seeker at #17. Definitely a high point in WDADU for me. While they've often drunk at the fountain of Rush, this time they toyed with 80s Rush ideas and I am HERE for it. Plus it's got the distinction of being the origin of the "You're running in circles" bit from that very elaborate animated gif version of the "Get DT to the new album" meme prompt that surfaces at every new album cycle. That has to count for something.
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Who's up for a pre-'top 2' forum competition?
I'm guessing Reaper will reveal the full list in the next 1 or 2 days, so which song do you think just missed out and came in at position #101? No lists of possibles, you can name only 1. I'm going with Take Away My Pain.
My pick is also Moment of Betrayal.
Re: "power grab" thing, as I said, I never listen to ACOS these days, so I don't see a reason to include it in my Top 100 just based on the fact the rest of the forum loves it.
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One of the reasons I didn't submit a list is there literally aren't 100 DT songs that I really like or know well enough to rank with any degree of meaning. So it's really hard for me to imagine liking 100 DT songs more than ACOS. But everyone is entitled to their own opinions and tastes!
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Though, it ought to be Another Won.
So true. What a wonderful piece. I'll throw my coin on the helpless child that doesn't belong, Anna Lee.
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My top three unranked songs were Regression at 37, The Answer Lies Within at 39 and Prophets of War at 42.
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My top three unranked songs were Regression at 37, The Answer Lies Within at 39 and Prophets of War at 42.
Oh man. I only originally ranked 163 songs after removing Nomac songs and “bootleg only” offshoots. 163 was Prophets of War.
But then again, 162 was Viper King, and I imagine some people like that too.
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My Top 3 unranked songs were Take Away My Pain (#18), Anna Lee (#33), and Status Seeker (#45).
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My top ranking songs that didn't make the cut are all Astonishing and b-sides. The Answer Lies Within was probably the first that wasn't either.
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My top three were Moment of Betrayal (26), Out of Reach (42) and Three Days (45). If we don't count TA, I had A Rite of Passage (47) and Repentance (49).
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My top three unranked songs were Regression at 37, The Answer Lies Within at 39 and Prophets of War at 42.
Oh man. I only originally ranked 163 songs after removing Nomac songs and “bootleg only” offshoots. 163 was Prophets of War.
But then again, 162 was Viper King, and I imagine some people like that too.
Heh! I know Prophets of War is unpopular but I genuinely like it. Would be pleasantly surprised if I wasn't its highest ranker.
Reaper, any chance of sharing the entire list of songs together which each song's highest ranker? Only once the official rankings are over, of course. No idea how much work that'd be but it'd be quite interesting.
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I'm not the top ranker of any song in the top 100 - save for my number 1, which I'm bound to share a lot of top rankers with.
From posts from other users I assume I won't even be the top ranker of some Astonishing songs, I'll probably be the top ranker for a couple of non album tracks. And possibly one of their most disliked songs from FII :D
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Total respect for those that love it, and if it moves you, then I (legit) could not be happier, since that's the whole point of music, to CONNECT. Probably the two best things I can say about this song is that it DOES connect - and has continued to do so over the years - and the lyrics (arguably Mike's best).
But... it just doesn't connect with me.
My favorite album side epics are, in order, Alive Again, Supper's Ready, and either Octavarium or the live Suite Charlotte Pike medley with the Abbey Road interpolations. Every one of them has a moment that is chill inducing (the Bill section in AA, the "There's an angel standing in the sun..." section in SR...). There's just nothing in there that separates like that for me. It also is sort of symbolic of the Derek-era, which is my least favorite (if you're counting by "keyboard players"). Maybe if it DID appear on an album, in context with other things, it might be different, but it feels like... not a throwaway, but like it's a ship without a port. I also haven't seen it live, so there's that as well.
Lyrically, though... that's a tour de force.
I applaud you sir. You have expressed your thoughts on a massively popular song that you just don't happen to like as much as others, yet you didn't succumb to the urge to call it "overated".
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ACOS (5) The only "epic" in my S+tier, pantheon or whatever we call the group of songs that belong to that small elite group that is closest to our heart. Among the Top 5, I like it best by far so I was rooting for it to win. Fascinating ride from the start to finish, often makes you think, "this section has to be the best one in the song, only to find yourself reconsidering that just a minute later. And, along with The Killing Hand, best showcase for the powerhouse of a singer James Kevin Labrie once was (to this pair of ears).
My highest rated non-Top 100 is the same like my tip for n. 101: Ravenskill I had it at 16.
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Case in point for what I just posted: Ravenskill was my 40 :D and my second top ranking Astonishing song.
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My Top 3 not ranked are A Life Left Behind, Three Days ,and The Answer Lie Within.
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I had Three Days at 91 and Lord Nafaryus at 100.
Am I right in saying Untethered Angel wasn't ranked? Well, unless we all get a surprise today or tomorrow. I was wondering if that was the only opening song not to be ranked but there's also the one from The Astonishing, whatever it's called (sorry), and Rite of Passage. And Regression.
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Nope, Untethered Angel was not ranked.
I also wonder if the next update will be the final one? I mean, I can't imagine anyone not realizing which are the two songs missing, so once we know number #2, we damn well know which's number #1.
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I had Three Days at 91 and Lord Nafaryus at 100.
Am I right in saying Untethered Angel wasn't ranked? Well, unless we all get a surprise today or tomorrow. I was wondering if that was the only opening song not to be ranked but there's also the one from The Astonishing, whatever it's called (sorry), and Rite of Passage. And Regression.
Rite of Passage isn't an opener though, and A Nightmare to Remember was actually ranked.
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My highest ranked song that didn't end up on the overall list is The Path That Divides, which I had at #53.
I knew it would be a song from The Astonishing. :lol What I'm most curious about are the songs that ended up between #101 and #110.
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Total respect for those that love it, and if it moves you, then I (legit) could not be happier, since that's the whole point of music, to CONNECT. Probably the two best things I can say about this song is that it DOES connect - and has continued to do so over the years - and the lyrics (arguably Mike's best).
But... it just doesn't connect with me.
My favorite album side epics are, in order, Alive Again, Supper's Ready, and either Octavarium or the live Suite Charlotte Pike medley with the Abbey Road interpolations. Every one of them has a moment that is chill inducing (the Bill section in AA, the "There's an angel standing in the sun..." section in SR...). There's just nothing in there that separates like that for me. It also is sort of symbolic of the Derek-era, which is my least favorite (if you're counting by "keyboard players"). Maybe if it DID appear on an album, in context with other things, it might be different, but it feels like... not a throwaway, but like it's a ship without a port. I also haven't seen it live, so there's that as well.
Lyrically, though... that's a tour de force.
I applaud you sir. You have expressed your thoughts on a massively popular song that you just don't happen to like as much as others, yet you didn't succumb to the urge to call it "overated".
No. Look, I totally understand. My HEAD gets it; people who's musical taste I trust LOVE it, and I can't ignore that. My HEART (or GUT, or whatever) just hasn't seen fit to follow along. No need to slag others or the song for what's definitely a "me" problem (to the extent it even is a problem).
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My top ten unranked songs:
1. Cover My Eyes
12. Along For The Ride
18. The Way It Used To Be
22. Take Away My Pain
39. The Answer Lies Within
Look, anyone that knows me, KNOWS I love the b-sides and bonus tracks. "Total Eclipse" by Maiden was number four, and only because I did there what I didn't do here, and that's bow to the pressure of the better known song (NOTB). Van Halen, "Me Wise Magic" was number 4. UFO, if I did one, "Heel Of A Stranger", a bonus track/b-side from Mechanix would be in the top three.
I would rank "Cleaning Out The Closet probably no. 6 on my album list, higher than any of the Mangini records. I LOVE the Director's Cut of FII, and think it's way better than the released album. Cover My Eyes is just one of those songs that hit me then, and I've never tired of it. I put it on in the car and sing along - horribly - and love every minute of it's 3:23. Is it indicative of Dream Theater? No; nor does it have any of the hallmarks of what we think is quintessential Dream Theater. That's my number 2, 3 and 10 (which I think will be our overall no. 1). That's not what this list is; it's not "the top 100 most quintessential Dream Theater songs". It's our individual "Top 100 Favorite Dream Theater songs" and that's what I did.
12. I think is just a beautiful song and one of the few Mangini-era songs that isn't inundated with bass drum, plus it has a cool ELP throwback solo from Jordan, and so it's something I go to a fair amount.
18. See above, re: Cleaning out the Closet and FII Director's Cut. Both CME and this song have choruses that stick in my head for day, and I'm a sucker for a good chorus (see my criticism of ACOS).
22. Fully concede that this is a recent choice and dependent almost solely on my relisten, where I listened to it while driving back from my parents with a car full of their remaining possessions and I pretty much listened to it three times in a row and cried for about 20 minutes after.
39. Just a great song. 'nuff said!
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I'm a sucker for B-sides and bonus track as well. It goes back to The Beatles, Oasis, The Jam, XTC and other bands who had stellar B-sides. And the stuff from the FII sessions are good to great in quality for me.
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Near the end now:
02. Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle And The Sleeper
Highest Finish: 1 (Awaken, DTwwbwMP, Jamesman42, lightningbolt, MirrorMask, Mladen, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname)
Number of Lists appeared on: 65 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Not surprised to see it this high. Incredible song but it's worn on me. I tend to skip this track when it comes up, I don't hate it, I've just had too much exposure.
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Ah, Metropolis. The quintessential DT song. It has everything that represents their sound. It was my #4 and I totally understand that eight members had it as #1.
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Metropolis Pt. 1- My #5, though #s 2-5 are *very* close in my book. It pretty much set the template for the classic Dream Theater sound and song structure. Inventive, rocking, beautiful, top-notch musicianship throughout, and a sublime vocal performance from JLB.
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I honestly thought this would be number one. I love everything about this song. It was 10 for me, but that just means their catalogue fucking rules.
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Ah, Metropolis. The quintessential DT song. It has everything that represents their sound. It was my #4 and I totally understand that eight members had it as #1.
I'm one of those 8, and proudly so :metal
Yeah, Metropolis has to be my favorite DT song. The first times I heard it, still young (1999) and still with my musical taste developing, I had never really heard music so complex but yet so relatable, with such strong vocal melodies. I know it might seem ironic that I complain a lot about long instrumental sections and I call my favorite song the one with a completely insane solo section, but I find it coherent, in line with the mood of the song, hummable at parts, and in all well crafted. And then of course, James' soaring voice in his invincible era, every line of the song is spellbinding and memorable.
Great musicianship + great vocal lines all the way through + amazing singer = match made in musical heaven. Metropolis wins it for me.
The one that will actually win this.... it finished 10th for me.
@Stadler - Cover My Eyes made my list at 77! and it's not even the best ranking non album track for me :hat
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I had Three Days at 91 and Lord Nafaryus at 100.
Am I right in saying Untethered Angel wasn't ranked? Well, unless we all get a surprise today or tomorrow. I was wondering if that was the only opening song not to be ranked but there's also the one from The Astonishing, whatever it's called (sorry), and Rite of Passage. And Regression.
Rite of Passage isn't an opener though, and A Nightmare to Remember was actually ranked.
That's a fair point :lol
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I honestly thought this would be number one. I love everything about this song. It was 10 for me, but that just means their catalogue fucking rules.
It wasn't last time around, either. And unless by some miracle CME ends up taking the #1 spot ;) I think it's safe to say the #1 song last time around is the same for this time, too, which makes me very happy as it has been my #1 DT song for as long as I can remember.
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I think this was my number 2 as well. Definitely the song that clinched DT for me. I still remember the first time I listened to this song. I had purchased the cassette of Images and Words at a record store in Midway Mall in Elyria, OH in early August, 1992. My walkman had auto reverse, so you didn't have to take the cassette out to flip it over and play side B. I was pretty impressed with side A, but when Met I kicked in, I felt like I was about to go to a whole new level. I remember listening to it on my grandparents' front porch, and I think my jaw was on the floor once the middle section kicked in. I had not heard this level of technicality and musicianship before, and the fact that they hit all of those transitions so smoothly blew my mind. I was instantly hooked! Just a mind-blowing song from start to finish.
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Metropolis definitely is one of the definitive DT songs. If you want to know what the band is all about, I’d probably suggest this song. And it is a great song, but like Pull Me Under I’ve pretty well worn it out. Still a great song for sure.
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Metropolis was my #1. I've only heard a handful of better songs in my lifetime.
And as much as I love the song that's coming up, I was almost confident Metropolis would be the overall number one. But this is still fine. ;D
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2 Metropolis Pt. 1 - Just a great, great song, and possibly the quintessential Dream Theater track, holding all of the elements that define Dream Theater. I had it at # 4.
Which means, we now know what song will be # 1.
If anyone cares, here are the Top 10 songs from my list that didn't make the consensus list, along with their rank on my list.
16 Speak To Me
17 Eve
46 Don't Look Past Me
48 The Way It Used To Be
56 Another Hand
57 Cover My Eyes
62 Out of Reach
66 Take Away My Pain
67 Far From Heaven
84 Moment of Betrayal
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Uh well, if we're spilling the beans....
My top 10 not ranked songs:
36 A Better Life
40 Ravenskill
41 When Your Time Has Come
52 Speak To Me
59 Astonishing
61 Far From Heaven
64 Three Days
67 Don't Look Past Me
69 Chosen
74 A Savior In The Square
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Metropolis is my #23
Still love the song, just love 22 others more. That intro is iconic, and to this day I still haven’t figured out exactly how to tap out the instrumental section on my steering wheel.
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Uh well, if we're spilling the beans....
My top 10 not ranked songs:
36 A Better Life
40 Ravenskill
41 When Your Time Has Come
52 Speak To Me
59 Astonishing
61 Far From Heaven
64 Three Days
67 Don't Look Past Me
69 Chosen
74 A Savior In The Square
Wow, you really like The Astonishing!
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Nice to see some love for Don't Look Past Me.
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I even found room for You Not Me, of course many Astonishing songs, in a top 100 list, found a spot :D
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I cannot believe someone left Metropolis pt. I from his list... So, if #1 is on everyones list, then only 3 songs made them all.
My top 3 of songs that didn't make the list are;
- 39 Another Hand
- 35 Bombay Vindaloo
- 32 Another Won
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Uh well, if we're spilling the beans....
My top 10 not ranked songs:
36 A Better Life
40 Ravenskill
41 When Your Time Has Come
52 Speak To Me
59 Astonishing
61 Far From Heaven
64 Three Days
67 Don't Look Past Me
69 Chosen
74 A Savior In The Square
Wow, you really like The Astonishing!
Wait until we see Indi's list!
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Uh well, if we're spilling the beans....
My top 10 not ranked songs:
36 A Better Life
40 Ravenskill
41 When Your Time Has Come
52 Speak To Me
59 Astonishing
61 Far From Heaven
64 Three Days
67 Don't Look Past Me
69 Chosen
74 A Savior In The Square
Wow, you really like The Astonishing!
Wait until we see Indi's list!
I have the list at home so I'm not sure, but I believe M-Mask may have beaten me on the Astonishing tunes love.
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I had fourteen songs from The Astonishing in my top 100. Try to beat that. ;)
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I had fourteen songs from The Astonishing in my top 100. Try to beat that. ;)
Is 26 enough?
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SFAM having four songs in the top 20 and six in the top 30 (with another in the low 30s) speaks to what a great album it is. With most concept albums, even great ones, I think there's a sense of "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts". It's not rare for a concept album to only have one or two songs that stand out by themselves. By contrast, SFAM has banger after banger, which are enhanced by the overall collection of songs gelling together really well. Just such a phenomenal record!
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Metropolis, Pt. 1: the Miracle and the Sleeper was my nr 4. Awesome song that really defines what Dream Theater is all about. Been a favorite since I bought the album in 1992.
My ranking so far
1 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9)
2 A Change of Seasons (3)
3 Octavarium (4)
4 Metropolis, Pt. 1: the Miracle and the Sleeper (2)
5 Take the Time (17)
6 Another Day (38)
7 Space-Dye Vest (30)
8 One Last Time (46)
9 Trial of Tears (6)
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11 The Dance of Eternity (33)
12 The Spirit Carries On (26)
13 Surrounded (20)
14 Home (5)
15 Voices (7)
16 Pull Me Under (14)
17 The Mirror (27)
18 Finally Free (19)
19 The Silent Man (66)
20 Illumination Theory (25)
21 Caught In a Web (51)
22 6:00 (34)
23
24 Scarred (12)
25 Fatal Tragedy (13)
26
27 Wait For Sleep (44t)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
29
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
35 Beyond This Life (24)
36 Strange Deja Vu (18)
37 Our New World (93)
38 Innocence Faded (42)
40 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (35)
41 A View from the Top of the World (49t)
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
46 Under a Glass Moon (16)
47 Lie (47t)
48 Erotomania (40)
50 Answering the Call (75)
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
56 The Count of Tuscany (10)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
59 Transcending Time (90)
63 Bridges In the Sky (23)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
61 At Wit's End ( 37)
62 Stream of Consciousness (39)
73 As I Am (43)
74 The Root of All Evil(36)
75 The Alien (69)
76 Breaking All Illusions (8)
77 A Nightmare To Remember (49t)
78 Misunderstood (31)
81 Behind the Veil (89)
86 Peruvian Skies (44t)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
90 The Glass Prison (15)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
94. Never Enough (100)
96 Endless Sacrifice (29)
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Highest ranker of
8 One Last Time (46), 1 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52), This Dying Soul (47t), Disappear (41), Overture 1928 (32), Lines In The Sand (28), In the Presence of Enemies (22), Blind Faith (21), In the Name of God (11)
Rated: 66
Not rated: 33
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I had fourteen songs from The Astonishing in my top 100. Try to beat that. ;)
Is 26 enough?
Well done, sir.
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The chord progression at the end of Met. Pt. 1 (Starting at the "Before the leaves have fallen" part) is one of the most clever things (harmonically) DT has done, in my opinion.
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Metropolis Pt. 1 is my 2nd fave DT song. Well, I don't have much to add to what has been said here, just that this song is always incredible in its live versions that have some variations. And one of the most interesting ones is in LNF Live at Old Bridge, with the alternative solo section from Once in a LiveTime.
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Near the end now:
02. Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle And The Sleeper
Highest Finish: 1 (Awaken, DTwwbwMP, Jamesman42, lightningbolt, MirrorMask, Mladen, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname)
Number of Lists appeared on: 65 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Not surprised to see it this high. Incredible song but it's worn on me. I tend to skip this track when it comes up, I don't hate it, I've just had too much exposure.
Metropolis was the song that really told me DT was something unique and special. The opening still gives me chills. When the full band kicks in, strap in for a crazy ride. Subtle time shifts in the "I was told there's a miracle" section. James completely tears it up, and there are some great vocal harmonies that I wish they'd do live. The middle section is one of the most incredible things I'd ever heard. There's a bass solo in this song where JM does a bass solo. It's pretty fucking amazing. And then the release at the end is just perfect. I had it at #3, and it finished at #4 in the prior countdown. I'll save the praise for the obvious repeat winner until Reaper officially reveals it.
List Not Ranked
100 This Dying Soul (47T) Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall into the Light (72), Honor Thy Father (71), Raise the Knife (65), The Great Debate (53), Peruvian Skies (44T), Disappear (41), The Mirror (27)
98 Far from Heaven (NR)
97 This Is the Life (88)
96 Prophets of War (NR)
95 A Rite of Passage (NR)
94 The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun (NR)
93 Lines in the Sand (28)
92 The Ministry of Lost Souls (61)
91 Build Me Up; Break Me Down (NR)
90 False Awakening Suite (NR)
89 Under a Glass Moon (16)
88 Another Day (38)
87 Innocence Faded (42)
86 Lie (47T)
85 In the Presence of Enemies (22)
84 Forsaken (95)
83 Enigma Machine (NR)
82 Erotomania (40)
81 The Spirit Carries On (26)
80 A Life Left Behind (NR)
79 Vacant (97)
78 Wait for Sleep (44T)
77 The Silent Man (66)
76 Status Seeker (NR)
75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
74 Burning My Soul (NR)
73 A Nightmare to Remember (50)
72 You Not Me (NR)
71 These Walls (54)
70 Viper King (NR)
69 At Wit's End (37)
68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
67 The Dark Eternal Night (70)
66 Pale Blue Dot (62)
65 Transcending Time (90)
64 Untethered Angel (NR)
63 Space-Dye Vest (30)
62 Out of Reach (NR)
61 Beneath the Surface (64)
60 Hell's Kitchen (57)
59 Afterlife (96)
58 Light Fuse and Get Away (NR)
57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
56 The Answer Lies Within (NR)
55 The Alien (69)
54 The Root of All Evil (36)
53 The Bigger Picture (60)
52 Trial of Tears (6)
51 Pull Me Under (14)
50 Anna Lee (NR)
49 As I Am (43)
48 A View from the Top of the World (49)
47 Lifting Shadows off a Dream (35)
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45 The Glass Prison (15)
44 On the Backs of Angels (56)
43 Ytse Jam (67)
42 One Last Time (46)
41 Through Her Eyes (74)
40 The Dance of Eternity (33)
39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
38 Hollow Years (59)
37 Along for the Ride (NR)
36 Caught in a Web (51)
35 Barstool Warrior (52)
34 Endless Sacrifice (29)
33 Outcry (58)
32 6:00 (34)
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30 Bridges in the Sky (23)
29 Misunderstood (31)
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26 Finally Free (19)
25 Overture 1928 (32)
24 Beyond This Life (24)
23 Take the Time (17)
22 Surrounded (20)
21 Strange Deja Vu (18)
20 Voices (7)
19 Sacrificed Sons (63)
18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
16 The Count of Tuscany (10)
15 The Killing Hand (68)
14 Panic Attack (55)
13 Illumination Theory (25)
12 Breaking All Illusions (8)
11 Stream of Consciousness (39)
10 Fatal Tragedy (13)
9 Blind Faith (21)
8 In the Name of God (11)
7 Scarred (12)
6 Home (5)
5 Octavarium (4)
4 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9)
3 Metropolis - Part I: "The Miracle and the Sleeper" (2)
2
1 A Change of Seasons (3) (high ranker)
Most of my misses don't surprise me, but I'm honestly quite surprised that Along for the Ride and Untethered Angel couldn't make the top 100.
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Metropolis is my #23
Still love the song, just love 22 others more. That intro is iconic, and to this day I still haven’t figured out exactly how to tap out the instrumental section on my steering wheel.
I remember being so proud of myself when I finally figured out how to count the fives and sevens section!
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‘There’s a bass solo in this song where JM does a bass solo.’
You should think about using that for your signature :lol :lol :lol :lol
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I haven't been keeping track of this aspect, but I wonder if Metropolis is the first song where I nailed the ranking? Legendary in every way.
1 A Change of Seasons
2 Metropolis
3 Under a Glass Moon
4 Breaking all Illusions
5 Only a Matter of Time
6 The Killing Hand
7 In the Name of God
8 The Count of Tuscany
9 The Great Debate
10 wonder what it could be?
11 Outcry
12 Overture 1928
13 Octavarium
14 Blind Faith
15 Fatal Tragedy
16 One Last Time
17 Home
18 Illumination Theory
19 Beyond This Life
20 Lost Not Forgotten
21 Surrounded
22 A View From the Top of the World
24 This is the Life
25 Beneath the Surface
26 A New Beginning
27 Take the Time
28 Fall Into the Light
29 Bridges in the Sky
30 The Best of Times
31 Afterlife
32 Scarred
33 Disappear
35 S2N
38 Constant Motion
39 Behind the Veil
40 The Enemy Inside
Missed the top 100: Never Enough, Vacant, Forsaken, New Millennium, Through Her Eyes, To Live Forever, Honor thy Father, The Dark Eternal Night, The Silent Man, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen, These Walls, Caught in a Web, Lie, This Dying Soul, Peruvian Skies, As I Am, Erotomania, Stream of Consciousness, 6:00, Space-Dye Vest, The Spirit Carries On, Lines in the Sand, ITPoE, Finally Free, The Glass Prison
Highest Ranker Of: Only a Matter of Time, Outcry, Under a Glass Moon, A Change of Seasons
Highest ranked not on the list: 23 A Life Left Behind 34 Another Won 36 Take Away my Pain 37 Ravenskill 43 Don't Look Past Me 44 The Walking Shadow etc etc.
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I haven't been keeping track of this aspect, but I wonder if Metropolis is the first song where I nailed the ranking?
I nailed Beyond this Life (24) and came within 1-3 spots a handful of other times. My only high rankers were Constant Motion (my #18) and ACOS (my #1).
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Metropolis pt. 1 - The Miracle and the Sleeper - #3 - the second quintessential DT song. Amazing, all of it.
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Nice to see some love for Don't Look Past Me.
It also made my list.
Here's my top 10 that didn't make it:
68 Paralyzed
67 Don't Look Past Me
64 A Rite of Passage
63 Enigma Machine
52 Invisible Monster
48 Barfbag
46 False Awakening Suite
16 The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
14 Bombay Vindaloo
3 Light Fuse and Get Away
I had fourteen songs from The Astonishing in my top 100. Try to beat that. ;)
Is 26 enough?
Got me beat by 20! :omg:
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Nice to see some love for Don't Look Past Me.
It also made my list.
Here's my top 10 that didn't make it:
68 Paralyzed
67 Don't Look Past Me
64 A Rite of Passage
63 Enigma Machine
52 Invisible Monster
48 Barfbag
46 False Awakening Suite
16 The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
14 Bombay Vindaloo
3 Light Fuse and Get Away
Man! I thought I would have been the highest ranked for TOWHTSTS and LFAGA.
Pretty sure I had Sun at 25 and Fuse at 30.
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I'd discovered DT with WDADU and I&W sometime in late 1996. Songs like AFIL, TKH, and YtseJam really attracted me to them. I'd never really heard prog-metal (Queensryche notwithstanding) metal before and was completely wow'd. My brain equated them as "smart" metal. Kinda like how Dennis Miller and Bill Maher was "smart" comedy, listening to DT made me think about the music, not just enjoy it. Then when I got to I&W, the the first side was more of the same, but better production and better vocals. Then track 5 comes on, and this "smartness" went to a whole new level. Awe is the closest word in the English language that comes to describing the experience. It was also transcendent to some degree. And it's amazing that still to this day, I get those same feels.
But I get those feels to just a larger degree with Scarred, ACOS and 8vm, so Metropolis is #4 on my list.
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1. A Change of Seasons (+0)
2. Octavarium (+0)
3. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (+3)
4. Voices (+3)
5. The Count of Tuscany (+0)
6. Illumination Theory (-2)
7. Disappear (+1)
8. Blind Faith (+5)
9. The Glass Prison (+0)
10. The Best of Times (-7)
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11. In the Presence of Enemies (+3)
12. A Nightmare to Remember (-1)
13. Erotomania (-1)
14. Space-Dye Vest (+5)
15. Misunderstood (+1)
16. Finally Free (-6)
17. This Dying Soul (+10)
18. The Shattered Fortress (+6)
19. Trial of Tears (+1)
20. Breaking All Illusions (-2)
21. The Ministry of Lost Souls (-4)
22. The Spirit Carries On (-7)
23. The Silent Man (+0)
24. The Dark Eternal Night (+9)
25. Beyond This Life (+3)
27. In the Name of God (+8)
29. Lines in the Sand (+16)
30. Hell's Kitchen (-8)
31. Metropolis, Part 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper (+8)
32. A View From the Top of the World
33. Surrounded (-12)
34. Outcry (+36)
35. Constant Motion (+29)
36. Fatal Tragedy (+15)
37. A New Beginning (-7)
38. The Great Debate (+0)
39. Pale Blue Dot (-8)
40. Sleeping Giant
41. Endless Sacrifice (+21)
42. The Root of All Evil (-10)
43. Home (-17)
46. Fall Into The Light (-10)
47. Barstool Warrior (-13)
48. The Bigger Picture (+0)
49. The Mirror (+9)
51. Ytse Jam (+4)
52. These Walls (+31)
56. Bridges in the Sky (-10)
58. S2N (+1)
59. The Enemy Inside (-10)
61. Awaken the Master
63. The Gift of Music (-2)
64. As I Am (+16)
65. Strange Deja Vu (+13)
66. Stream of Consciousness (-16)
67. Panic Attack (-15)
68. On the Backs of Angels (+20)
69. 6:00 (+24)
70. Another Day (-27)
71. Transcending Time
73. At Wit's End (-7)
75. Pull Me Under (-1)
77. Hollow Years (-2)
78. The Killing Hand (-37)
80. Wait For Sleep (-23)
83. The Dance of Eternity (+12)
84. This is the Life (-12)
87. A Fortune in Lies (+18)
88. I Walk Beside You (+31)
89. Never Enough (-18)
90. Wither (-4)
93. Vacant (+4)
94. Through Her Eyes (-13)
97. Innocence Faded (-8)
98. Lie (+19)
100. Our New World (+3)
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105. Answering the Call
109. The Alien
112. Beneath the Surface (-2)
113. Under A Glass Moon (+10)
116. Caught in a Web (+14)
122. Lost Not Forgotten (-9)
123. Behind the Veil (-2)
124. Peruvian Skies (+2)
126. Take the Time (+10)
130. The Looking Glass (+1)
131. Forsaken (-4)
137. Sacrificed Sons (-15)
139. Only a Matter of Time (-10)
141. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream (-25)
142. Afterlife (-7)
143. One Last Time (-4)
145. Scarred (-17)
147. Surrender to Reason (-10)
148. New Millennium (-8)
149. Honor Thy Father (-7)
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Unranked: To Live Forever, Raise the Knife
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My 10 highest-ranked songs that didn't make the list, and how they compare to my 2021 list:
28. A Rite of Passage (+9)
44. A Savior in the Square (-2)
45. When Your Time Has Come (-1)
50. Burning My Soul (+56)
53. Viper King (+1)
54. The Path That Divides (-14)
55. Repentance (-26)
57. Three Days (+11)
60. Hymn of a Thousand Voices (-13)
62. Enigma Machine (+7)
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Metro - 2
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Metropolis: 8. The song that dropped my dad's jaw, and he was not easily jawdroppable. To this day, I still have to listen to another song sounding both painstakingly composed and hysterically improvised at the same time. Also, it seems I nailed #1.
The Score so far:
2 - Scarred
3 - The Spirit Carries On
4 - Lines in the Sand
5 - In the Presence of Enemies
6 - Trial of Tears
7 - Misunderstood
8 - Metropolis
9 - Space-Dye Vest
10 - Voices
11 - Beyond This Life
12 - A Change of Seasons
13 - Breaking All Illusions
14 - Stream of Consciousness
16 - Under a Glass Moon
17 - Bridges in the Sky
19 - Illumination Theory
21 - A New Beginning
23 - Disappear
24 - Pull Me Under
25 - Surrounded
26 - Fatal Tragedy
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
31 - Erotomania
32 - Strange Deja-Vu
33 - Surrender to Reason
34 - Take the Time
35 - Finally Free
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
39 - The Count of Tuscany
42 - Another Day
43 - One Last Time
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
49 - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
50 - In the Name of God
51 - Home
53 - Octavarium
54 - Peruvian Skies
55 - The Dance of Eternity
56 - The Bigger Picture
61 - Wait for Sleep
64 - Blind Faith
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
69 - Overture 1928
70 - Innocence Faded
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
76 - Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
77 - At Wit's End
78 - Lie
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
88 - The Mirror
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
91 - 6:00
92 - The Killing Hand
93 - Endless Sacrifice
95 - Barstool Warrior
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 33
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25. Illumination Theory (91st) DREAM THEATER, IF YOU'RE READING THIS, DO MORE STUFF IN THE VEIN OF THE LAST FEW MINUTES OF THIS SONG. SO GOOD.
24. Beyond This Life (88th) I'm a SFAM hater, what can I say? It's an okay song though.
23. Bridges In The Sky (8th) This song could be top 5 but the intro is too long, it's otherwise a stellar song. When JLB sings "crossing bridges in the sky", it's so good.
22. In The Presence Of Enemies (28th) Cool epic on a weird album. I don't like the Dark Master part. Everything else is good. Odd song for DT, though.
21. Blind Faith (42nd) Easily the worst track of SDOIT but still just fine.
20. Surrounded (25th) What a lovely song. Just, so bouncy but then a bit serious. DT does this style of song nicely.
19. Finally Free (76th) SFAM, yeah....
18. Strange Deja Vu (89th) Lol. The "uncanny strange deja vu" does pop into my mind at times.
17. Take The Time (19th) The energy in this song is really vibrant. JLB is having fun and the music is good.
16. Under A Glass Moon (67th) It's a fine song, with a cool intro. It's always been the weakest or second weakest track on IaW to me, though.
15. The Glass Prison (3rd) This is 15th and I am shocked. I know some of the songs remaining, but I thought this was one of the most favored songs. Interesting. Anyway, this song is just pure gas for a long time.
14. Pull Me Under (77th) This and UAGM are fine songs, but they can swap being the worst or 2nd worst on the album, but they have stiff competition. Also surprised this is so high, is it because it's their most famous song?
13. Fatal Tragedy (90th) What a canyon between my ranking and the consensus. Yeah, it's a SFAM song, for some reason that album doesn't gel with me.
12. Scarred (69th) It's a fine song, but I often forget how it even sounds when I see it talked about.
11. In The Name Of God (13th) Hell yeah. I avoided this song for a while when this album was the new stuff, IDK why, I just was loving the rest of the album and this was the last song. It is pretty much flawless. I love the choir at the end, subtle enough to enjoy (and JLB's screaming as well).
10. The Count Of Tuscany (6th) This (and several other songs) are what DT do best in the modern era (I am thinking post-8VM). You can have the metal in "prog metal" but don't leave behind the prog, or the beautiful melodies and tight compositions. The intro might be a top 5, maybe a top 3 DT intro, musically speaking. The ending is great, it's fun to sing and play on the acoustic (capo on 4th fret).
09. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (4th) I hate ranking this as a single song. Like others, this is a collection of 8 different ideas/tracks/songs, but they're all great songs (maybe besides Goodnight Kiss, that one is decent). But since we have to bow to the wishes of the almighty band, here we are. Not my actual 4th favorite, but yeah, each part is a great picture of different mental illnesses. Favorites include Solitary Shell, The Test..., and Losing Time.
08. Breaking All Illusions (11th) 3rd best song from the MM era. It just slaps, and it does it better than Learning to Live.
07. Voices (40th) Excellent song, but 7th?! Wow. But I think I get it, it's not a prog epic but an emotional song with a lot of good stuff.
06. Trial Of Tears (31st) Great song from a weird era. Not on the hype train to be 6th best, that is pretty mind-blowing to me.
05. Home (65th) I don't get why people rate this so highly. I deduced it would be in the top 6, and I gave it a listen today and...yeah, there is some powerful music happening there, I can kinda see it being a big hit, but to make top 5, I don't know what I am missing.
04. Octavarium (2nd) This song is one of the best songs ever made to me. Intervals is especially awesome, but every part is its own little world, and I love visiting each part each time.
03. A Change Of Seasons (5th) Really 4th because we cannot dare break up SDOIT, this song is incredible. How can you not love "I'm sick of all you hypocrites holding me at bay!!!". In fact, that is a top 3 DT moment for me, it has an atmosphere that is indescribably beautiful.
02. Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle And The Sleeper (1st, top ranker) Maybe my favorite song ever? I am hard pressed to find a more perfect song. It's a nice length (heh), the instrumental is the best thing in music ever, JLB is awesome, intro, those outro chords. I try not to overplay it when I am in a DT mood.
Also a funny little thing, 19 years ago, when I was 19, I dated a girl and thought to my silly self "let's play this song for her, she will LOVE it". So she waited the whole 9+ minutes so we could make out, and I learned that day - this stuff isn't for everyone :rollin
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02. Metropolis Pt.1 - (#58)
This is one of the songs I got into early in my Dream Theater fandom. My friend was obsessed with this song, especially the instrumental. For me, it's the vocal melodies and the melodies in general. This song has excellent bass lines. The keyboards capture a certain atmosphere, kind of mystic in a way. This was also a highlight of the I&W&B tour, especially it being preceded by Surrounded made it hit that much harder.
Here are my top 10 that didn't make the consensus list:
Chosen (#5)
Along For The Ride (#18)
Losing Faythe (#21)
Act of Faythe (#25)
Road to Revolution (#32)
Don't Look Past Me (#36)
Begin Again (#37)
Speak To Me (#38)
The X Aspect (#44)
A Better Life (#51)
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Near the end now:
02. Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle And The Sleeper
Highest Finish: 1 (Awaken, DTwwbwMP, Jamesman42, lightningbolt, MirrorMask, Mladen, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname)
Number of Lists appeared on: 65 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had Metropolis Pt.1 at #12.
One of my lasting memories of the I&W tour was DT opening with Metropolis and blowing people's minds right off the bat. When they would come out of the instrumental break, the crowd would always erupt.
List Not Ranked
100 Wither
99 Vacant
98 6:00 Our New World
97 The Looking Glass
96 The Root Of All Evil Transcending Time
95 Lie Behind The Veil
94 New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Glass Prison The Shattered Fortress
91 To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 Honor Thy Father
88 The Silent Man
87 Hell's Kitchen
86 Zydar The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot As I Am
84 Misunderstood
83 The Mirror
82 Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
81 Home
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78 Stream Of Consciousness
77 A Nightmare To Remember
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72 Beyond This Life
71 Pull Me Under
70 One Last Time
69 Surrender Of Reason
68
67
66
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58 Wait For Sleep
57 Illumination Theory
56 The Spirit Carries On
55 Under A Glass Moon
54 Barstool Warrior
53
52 Finally Free
51 Erotomania
50 In The Name Of God
49 Strange Deja Vu
48 Bridges In The Sky
47 Blind Faith
46
45 Overture 1928
44 Panic Attack
43 Innocence Faded
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40
39 A View From The Top Of The World
38 At Wits End
37 Fall Into The Light
36 In The Presence Of Enemies
35 The Gift Of Music
34 The Dance Of Eternity
33 Peruvian Skies
32 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
31 Ytse Jam
30 Trial Of Tears
29
28 The Enemy Inside
27 Voices
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25 Surrounded
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20 This Dying Soul
19
18 A Fortune In Lies
17 A Change Of Seasons
16 The Alien
15 Fatal Tragedy
14 The Best Of Times
13 Endless Sacrifice
12 Metropolis Pt.1
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10 Take The Time
9 Breaking All Illusions
8 Lines In The Sand
7 Disappear
6 The Count Of Tuscany
5 Space Dye Vest
4 The Killing Hand
3 Scarred
2 Octavarium
1
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Metropolis at number 7 for me.
List Not Ranked
100 The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 Disappear The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87
86 Through Her Eyes
85
84 Stream Of Consciousness
83
82 Transcending Time
81
80
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77 Lines in the Sand
76
75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
73 One Last Time
72 Peruvian Skies
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69
68
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65
64 The Looking Glass
63 Panic Attack
62 Surrounded
61 On the Backs of Angels
60 Beyond This Life
59 Trial of Tears
58 Afterlife
57 Caught In A Web
56 Breaking All Illusions
55 Visions
54 The Great Debate
53 A Nightmare to Remember
52 Erotomania
51 Answering the Call
50 The Spirit Carries On
49 Space-Dye Vest
48 The Shattered Fortress
47 Finally Free
46 As I Am
45 Bridges in the Sky
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43
42 Never Enough
41 Wait For Sleep
40 6:00
39 Strange Deja Vu
38 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulance
37 The Bigger Picture
36 Outcry
35 Take the Time
34 Lie
33 The Root of All Evil
32 I Walk Beside You
31 Overture 1928
30 A View From the Top of the World
29 Surrender to Reason
28 Barstool Warrior
27 Another Day
26 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
25 Endless Sacrifice
24 Innocence Faded
23 Misunderstood
22 Under A Glass Moon
21 In the Presence of Enemies
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18 Pull Me Under
17 The Dance of Eternity
16 In the Name of God
15 Fatal Tragedy
14 The Count of Tuscany
13 These Walls
12 At Wit's End
11 The Mirror
10 Scarred
9 Home
8 The Glass Prison
7 Metropolis
6 Blind Faith
5 Illumination Theory
4
3 A Change of Seasons
2 This Dying Soul.
1 Octavarium
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Thanks again to ReaperKK for running this! It's been fun following along w the final ranks every day
Rank - Song - My Rank
2 - met Pt 1 - 1 - 1st DT tune I ever heard and it still blows my mind that I'm nowhere near tired of it. Incredible from start to glorious finish - this is the tune I use to introduce people to DT.
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Metropolis. My number 15. Brilliant stuff, but suffers from being an early essential, on a lot of the live albums etc. but I wouldn’t say I ever get bored of it.
My highest non-ranked: Bombay Vindaloo, at 12. Maybe too high, but I didn’t fuck with the ranker.
Along For The Ride at 22. Lovely song.
Also, You Not Me at 27 (maybe a highest ranker?)
4 highest ranked from the 100.
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DTF Me
06. Trial Of Tears 14
05. Home 10
04. Octavarium 7
03. A Change Of Seasons 5
02. Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle And The Sleeper 6
Pretty close to the consensus for this group. Honestly, other than TOT these are all interchangeable favorites.
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14 Bombay Vindaloo
My highest non-ranked: Bombay Vindaloo, at 12. Maybe too high, but I didn’t fuck with the ranker.
Glad I'm not alone in Bombay Vindaloo-loveland...
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And we have reached the end! First off big thanks for pg1067 for putting this idea out there, and Kev for getting the ball rolling. Also thanks to all of you submitting lists and being patient while I cobbled together speadsheets of Dream Theater lists. When I get back from vacation later next week I'll post the whole list with final point values for each song.
01. Learning To Live
Highest Finish: 1 (CharlesPL, Dittomist, Indiscipline, jammindude, JiM-Xtreme, Peter MC, Setlist Scotty, TAC, The Realm, Zydar)
Number of Lists appeared on: 66 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Not surprised with how this ended. Learning To Live is a fantastic song, with fantastic lyrics from JM. I don't listen to this song as much as I used to, largely due to how my tastes have changed but it always puts a smile on my face when I hear it.
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Thanks to everyone. It’s been great. A chance to (re)discover some great music.
I listened to TA a few times, and found a lot to admire, along with MM-era stuff which I’d largely just listened to a few times before sticking’em back in the pile. There’s some tremendous music out there!
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First of all, a big round of applause for ReaperKK for brilliantly finishing Kev's job!!!!
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Learning to Live didn't go past the 10th place for me. I love it obviously, but for whatever reason I lack that little extra something that sends me into full adoration mode. I could imagine A Change of Seasons or Metropolis being the most loved song on DTF, but Learning to Live winning this and also most of the leagues we did? it doesn't give me the vibes of the most adored DT song ever, but hey, it's a masterpiece anyway so no big deal.
Congrats to all those who helped their favorite song being crowned DTF's favorite song!
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First of all, a big round of applause for ReaperKK for brilliantly finishing Kev's job!!!!
[...] First off big thanks for pg1067 for putting this idea out there, and Kev for getting the ball rolling. [...]
Learning to Live: 1. The perfect song on the perfect album at the perfect time in my life.
The Score:
1 - Learning to Live
2 - Scarred
3 - The Spirit Carries On
4 - Lines in the Sand
5 - In the Presence of Enemies
6 - Trial of Tears
7 - Misunderstood
8 - Metropolis
9 - Space-Dye Vest
10 - Voices
11 - Beyond This Life
12 - A Change of Seasons
13 - Breaking All Illusions
14 - Stream of Consciousness
16 - Under a Glass Moon
17 - Bridges in the Sky
19 - Illumination Theory
21 - A New Beginning
23 - Disappear
24 - Pull Me Under
25 - Surrounded
26 - Fatal Tragedy
27 - The Best of Times
28 - Outcry
31 - Erotomania
32 - Strange Deja-Vu
33 - Surrender to Reason
34 - Take the Time
35 - Finally Free
36 - This Is the Life
38 - Hell's Kitchen
39 - The Count of Tuscany
42 - Another Day
43 - One Last Time
45 - Vacant
46 - The Gift of Music
47 - Beneath the Surface
48 - The Silent Man
49 - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
50 - In the Name of God
51 - Home
53 - Octavarium
54 - Peruvian Skies
55 - The Dance of Eternity
56 - The Bigger Picture
61 - Wait for Sleep
64 - Blind Faith
65 - Pale Blue Dot
68 - Our New World
69 - Overture 1928
70 - Innocence Faded
71 - Behind the Veil
72 - The Looking Glass
76 - Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
77 - At Wit's End
78 - Lie
79 - Hollow Years
87 - Ytse Jam
88 - The Mirror
89 - Through Her Eyes
90 - Lost Not Forgotten
91 - 6:00
92 - The Killing Hand
93 - Endless Sacrifice
95 - Barstool Warrior
96 - Fall Into the Light
97 - A Fortune in Lies
Not Ranked: 33
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I had Learning to Live at 31.
Thanks, Reap and Kev!
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For a while Learning to Live was my favorite DT song. I’m not sure when 6:00 took over. I may have just gotten fatigued on I&W in general and that caused it to slide. Nonetheless, it’s still like a top 5 DT song for me at least. Outstanding song, killer intro, awesome mood on the verses, amazing chorus, wonderful instrumental passage with the callback to WFS and an amazing guitar solo, plus the nice little flamenco/jazz section. And then that amazing outro. Great lyrics, and for sure one of James’ greatest moments. Great great song.
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My #1 DT song, indeed. I can't express in words why I love certain songs the way I do, but this one just do something to me that few other songs do. I'll just leave it at that. Pure perfection.
A big thanks for all your work running this, and to all the great people participating. We'll see how many songs off the next album will place in the top 100 next time!
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Glorious tune, but I just have 5 more that I like better. I probably could swap it with ITNOG to make it a Top 5 tune, but we're splitting hairs at that point.
Kay... AMAZING job at running this. Enjoy your time off.
P.S. Also, it seems 8vm had the most #1 votes.
8vm: 13 (omitted from 0 lists)
ACOS: 12 (omitted from 2 lists)
Learning to Live: 10 (omitted from 0 lists)
Metropolis: 8 (omitted from 1 list)
43/55 #1 votes.
P.P.S ... I didn't go back and check the rest of the Top 10, but it seems only ToT, 8vm, and LtL made every list. I can understand the latter two, but I'm kinda surprised there wasn't at least 1 person who didn't rank ToT.
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Learning To Live ended up at rank 10 for me. Yes it is a really good song but nr 1 consensus is a bit astonishing for me.
It's not Astonishing that the bulk of my songs that did not rank in the consesus are from my favorite album. An album that is soo much bigger than it's parts.
My 3 top ranked that did not make consensus:
23 Through My Words - short but oh so sweat
29 Brother, Can You Hear Me? - love the military wibe and the melodies
30 Whispers On The Wind - short but very nice, piano and vocals shine
My ranking
1 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9)
2 A Change of Seasons (3)
3 Octavarium (4)
4 Metropolis, Pt. 1: the Miracle and the Sleeper (2)
5 Take the Time (17)
6 Another Day (38)
7 Space-Dye Vest (30)
8 One Last Time (46)
9 Trial of Tears (6)
10 Learning To Live (1)
11 The Dance of Eternity (33)
12 The Spirit Carries On (26)
13 Surrounded (20)
14 Home (5)
15 Voices (7)
16 Pull Me Under (14)
17 The Mirror (27)
18 Finally Free (19)
19 The Silent Man (66)
20 Illumination Theory (25)
21 Caught In a Web (51)
22 6:00 (34)
23
24 Scarred (12)
25 Fatal Tragedy (13)
27 Wait For Sleep (44t)
28 Through Her Eyes (74)
29
30
31
32 Awaken the Master (81)
33 Sleeping Giant (85)
34
35 Beyond This Life (24)
36 Strange Deja Vu (18)
37 Our New World (93)
38 Innocence Faded (42)
39
40 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (35)
41 A View from the Top of the World (49t)
42
43
44 The Great Debate (53)
45 To Live Forever (76)
46 Under a Glass Moon (16)
47 Lie (47t)
48 Erotomania (40)
49
50 Answering the Call (75)
51
52
53
54 Beneath the Surface (64)
55
56 The Count of Tuscany (10)
57 Pale Blue Dot (62)
58
59 Transcending Time (90)
60
61 At Wit's End ( 37)
62 Stream of Consciousness (39)
63 Bridges In the Sky (23)
64 Sacrificed Sons (63)
65 The Looking Glass (92)
66 Hollow Years (59)
67
68
69
70
71
72
73 As I Am (43)
74 The Root of All Evil(36)
75 The Alien (69)
76 Breaking All Illusions (8)
77 A Nightmare To Remember (49t)
78 Misunderstood (31)
79
80
81 Behind the Veil (89)
82
83
84
85
86 Peruvian Skies (44t)
87 Surrender To Reason (83)
88 Ytse Jam (67)
89 Forsaken (95)
90 The Glass Prison (15)
91. The Gift of Music (98)
92
93
94. Never Enough (100)
95
96 Endless Sacrifice (29)
97
98
99 These Walls (54)
100 Honor Thy Father (71)
Ranked by me but did not make the concensus list
23 Through My Words
29 Brother, Can You Hear Me?
30 Whispers On The Wind
31 Three Days
34 Act of Faythe
39 The X Aspect
42 Enigma Machine
43 Hymn of A Thousand Voices
49 Astonishing
51 A Savior In The Square
52 Regression
53 Far From Heaven
55 The Path That Divides
58 Lord Nafaryus
60 Losing Faythe
67 Heaven's Cove
68 Moment of Betrayal
69 Ravenskill
70 Invisible Monster
71 The Walking Shadow
72 A Better Life
79 Cover My Eyes
80 Eve
82 Anna Lee
83 When Your Time Has Come
84 A Life Left Behind
85 The Answer
92 Chosen
93 Prophets of War
95 The Enemy Inside
97 The Answer Lies Within
98 A Rite of Passage
Highest ranker of
8 One Last Time (46), 1 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9)
Not rated
Wither (99), Vacant (97), Afterlife (96), S2N (94), A New Beginning (91), This is the Life (88), New Millennium (87), Constant Motion (86), The Enemy Inside (84), Only a Matter of Time (82), I Walk Beside You (80), The Shattered Fortress (79), A Fortune In Lies (78), The Best Of Times (78), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall Into the Light (72), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Killing Hand (68), Raise The Knife (65), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), The Bigger Picture (60), Outcry (58), Hell's Kitchen (57), On The Backs Of Angels (56), Panic Attack (55), Barstool Warrior (52), This Dying Soul (47t), Disappear (41), Overture 1928 (32), Lines In The Sand (28), In the Presence of Enemies (22), Blind Faith (21), In the Name of God (11)
Rated: 67
Not rated: 33
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Firstly, a few words for Metropolis to catch up from yesterday... it was 3 for me so only 1 behind. It is the quintessential DT song. All the elements are there - the soaring, majestic vocals, the incredibly technical parts, the "epic" song structure, fantastic lyrics... and even a bass solo!! And it hasn't lost a shred of its impact over the years, I would be more than happy if they wanted to include this in every live setlist between now and the day they hang it up. An absolute classic.
But...
1. Learning to Live ... also my 1. Guys, I can't begin to tell you how happy I am that my 1 is also THE 1. I had no idea that would be the case as I haven't followed the rankings from previous years. But the fact that it means as much to you guys (well, the consensus) as it does to me makes me very, very happy. It's simply a perfect song, there is not one single thing about it I would change or is not quite as good as it could be, which is not even strictly the case for my 2 song. That middle section may well be the best, most beautiful and glorious passage of music the band have ever, ever produced. And that outro... I would happily sit and listen and sing along to that all day long. Honestly, if I knew I had about 10 minutes to live, I would put this song on and go out feeling absolutely epic.
And there we have it. Thanks so much to Kev for getting the ball rolling and Reaper for seeing this through to the end. Same time next year I guess... maybe there will be a few new songs in the mix by then :)
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Learning to Live (my #5) is fantastic, with great dynamics and lyrics. That flamenco section until the end of the solo is indeed still one of the greatest things DT ever done! Thanks, Reaper, for the great job, and Kev, the Master Yoda of the top lists.
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For comparison, this was the Top 20 the last time this was done.
20. At Wit's End (37 now)
19. The Mirror (27)
18. Fatal Tragedy (13)
17. Lines in the Sand (28)
16. Bridges in the Sky (23)
15. Surrounded (20)
14. The Count of Tuscany (10)
13. The Glass Prison (15)
12. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9)
11. In the Name of God (11)
10. Finally Free (19)
09. Scarred (12)
08. Home (5)
07. Trial of Tears (6)
06. Breaking All Illusions (8)
05. Voices (7)
04. Metropolis Part 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper (2)
03. Octavarium (4)
02. A Change of Seasons (3)
01. Learning to Live (1)
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100. Never Enough Not ranked
99. Wither 77
98. The Gift Of Music Not ranked
97. Vacant Not ranked
96. Afterlife 32
95. Forsaken Not ranked
94. S2N 52
93. Our New World 80
92. The Looking Glass 83
91. A New Beginning 100
90. Transcending Time 33
89. Behind The Veil 86
88. This Is The Life Not ranked
87. New Millennium Not ranked
86. Constant Motion 78
85. Sleeping Giant 91
83t. The Enemy Inside 89
83t. Surrender To Reason 60
82. Only A Matter Of Time Not ranked
81. Awaken The Master 12
80. I Walk Beside You Not ranked
79. The Shattered Fortress 45
78. A Fortune In Lies 94
77. The Best Of Times 75
76. The Live Forever 24
75. Answering The Call 74
74. Through Her Eyes Not ranked
73. Lost Not Forgotten 95
72. Fall Into The Light 51
71. Honor Thy Father Not ranked
70. The Dark Eternal Night 15
69. The Alien 43
68. The Killing Hand 81
67. Ytse Jam 58
66. The Silent Man 66
65. Raise The Knife 65
64. Beneath The Surface Not ranked
63. Sacrificed Sons 30
62. Pale Blue Dot 31
61. The Ministry Of Lost Souls 76
60. The Bigger Picture 41
59. Hollow Years Not ranked
58. Outcry 54
57. Hell's Kitchen 69
56. On The Backs Of Angels 27
55. Panic Attack 98
54. These Walls 59
53. The Great Debate 85
52. Barstool Warrior 35
51. Caught In A Web 73
50. A Nightmare To Remember 22
49. A View From The Top Of The World 53
47t. Lie 55
47t. This Dying Soul 34
46. One Last Time Not ranked
44t. Peruvian Skies 61
44t. Wait For Sleep 56
43. As I Am 71
42. Innocence Faded 29
41. Disappear 62
40. Erotomania 25
39. Stream Of Consciousness Not ranked
38. Another Day 42
37. At Wit's End 37
36. The Root Of All Evil 39
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream 21
34. 6:00 67
33. The Dance Of Eternity 63
32. Overture 1928 64
31. Misunderstood 50
30. Space-Dye Vest 48
29. Endless Sacrifice 97
28. Lines In The Sand 14
27. The Mirror 44
26. The Spirit Carries On 23
25. Illumination Theory 49
24. Beyond This Life 10
23. Bridges In The Sky 36
22. In The Presence Of Enemies 40
21. Blind Faith 20
20. Surrounded 9
19. Finally Free 11
18. Strange Deja Vu 46
17. Take The Time 8
16. Under A Glass Moon 19
15. The Glass Prison 6
14. Pull Me Under 57
13. Fatal Tragedy 28
12. Scarred 38
11. In The Name Of God 16
10. The Count Of Tuscany 7
09. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence 3
08. Breaking All Illusions 13
07. Voices 17
06. Trial Of Tears 26
05. Home 18
04. Octavarium 1
03. A Change Of Seasons 4
02. Metropolis, Pt.1 2
01. Learning to Live 5
Thanks for doing this, Reaper! :tup
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Learning to Live is an all time classic, and was # 3 for me at this point in time. It was my # 1 for years, and may yet hit that mark for me again in the future.
Thanks for running this!
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01. Learning To Live - (#04)
I have always loved this song since first hearing it on Live Scenes. I then asked my friend to borrow I&W so I could rip onto my desktop. I like the added Reggae section and JLB's vocals following JP's guitar after the build-up on Live Scenes. There are certain songs that have this certain quality, tone, and atmosphere to them due to KM keyboards. LTL is one of these songs. There's a certain mood and vibe that KM's keyboard patch choices give off that make these songs have a certain charm.
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Not to flame anyone, just curious who didn’t have Metropolis?
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Learning to Live is #9 for me.
The biggest differentials between my list and the forum's list:
Beneath the Surface Me: #1 Forum #64 +63 points
The Count of Tuscany: Me: #70, Forum #10 -60 points
Songs I had as the highest:
Beneath the Surface #1
Disappear #3
Endless Sacrifice #5
Songs on both my list and forum list: 78
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Fabulous song. Nothing else needs to be said.
Reaper - thank you for running this, I had a lot of fun following. Great job.
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I always enjoy these. Sadly, I stopped participating 3 weeks ago when my mom suddenly passed away. :'( I thought I would just share my top 20. I am a newish fan, and my lists typically are a bit different. But then so are many of them. Which is why Dream Theater is awesome! I could listen to anyones DT list and thourougly love it.
Looking at it, 4 of the top 20 are MM era songs. No Veiw songs made the top 20, even though that album has no skips. No WDaDu, Awake, TOT or TA songs made it. But FII had 2.
Thank you for running the countdown.
1 Octavarium
2 The Count of Tuscany
3 Home
4 In the Presence of Enemies
5 Beyond This Life
6 Finally Free
7 Illumination Theory
8 Breaking All Illusions
9 Fatal Tragedy
10 A Nightmare To Remember
11 Learning To Live
12 Strange Deja Vu
13 Sacrificed Sons
14 Peruvian Skies
15 Bridges In the Sky
16 Metropolis, Pt. 1: the Miracle and the Sleeper
17 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
18 Trial of Tears
19 At Wit's End
20 The Glass Prison
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Wow geeeemo. I’m so sorry about your mom. My condolences to you and your family. :-[
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I always enjoy these. Sadly, I stopped participating 3 weeks ago when my mom suddenly passed away.
Now that's hard, wish you all the best to find peace.
I will loose my mother probably this spring, due to massive cancer. Somehow Surrounded hits me each time I hear it. It's not the lyrics, but the feel is so emotional and I listen to it plenty of times.
ReaperKK you did a wonderful job in here. Enjoy your vacation and we'll see you and your data soon.
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25. Illumination Theory (91st) DREAM THEATER, IF YOU'RE READING THIS, DO MORE STUFF IN THE VEIN OF THE LAST FEW MINUTES OF THIS SONG. SO GOOD.
24. Beyond This Life (88th) I'm a SFAM hater, what can I say? It's an okay song though.
23. Bridges In The Sky (8th) This song could be top 5 but the intro is too long, it's otherwise a stellar song. When JLB sings "crossing bridges in the sky", it's so good.
22. In The Presence Of Enemies (28th) Cool epic on a weird album. I don't like the Dark Master part. Everything else is good. Odd song for DT, though.
21. Blind Faith (42nd) Easily the worst track of SDOIT but still just fine.
20. Surrounded (25th) What a lovely song. Just, so bouncy but then a bit serious. DT does this style of song nicely.
19. Finally Free (76th) SFAM, yeah....
18. Strange Deja Vu (89th) Lol. The "uncanny strange deja vu" does pop into my mind at times.
17. Take The Time (19th) The energy in this song is really vibrant. JLB is having fun and the music is good.
16. Under A Glass Moon (67th) It's a fine song, with a cool intro. It's always been the weakest or second weakest track on IaW to me, though.
15. The Glass Prison (3rd) This is 15th and I am shocked. I know some of the songs remaining, but I thought this was one of the most favored songs. Interesting. Anyway, this song is just pure gas for a long time.
14. Pull Me Under (77th) This and UAGM are fine songs, but they can swap being the worst or 2nd worst on the album, but they have stiff competition. Also surprised this is so high, is it because it's their most famous song?
13. Fatal Tragedy (90th) What a canyon between my ranking and the consensus. Yeah, it's a SFAM song, for some reason that album doesn't gel with me.
12. Scarred (69th) It's a fine song, but I often forget how it even sounds when I see it talked about.
11. In The Name Of God (13th) Hell yeah. I avoided this song for a while when this album was the new stuff, IDK why, I just was loving the rest of the album and this was the last song. It is pretty much flawless. I love the choir at the end, subtle enough to enjoy (and JLB's screaming as well).
10. The Count Of Tuscany (6th) This (and several other songs) are what DT do best in the modern era (I am thinking post-8VM). You can have the metal in "prog metal" but don't leave behind the prog, or the beautiful melodies and tight compositions. The intro might be a top 5, maybe a top 3 DT intro, musically speaking. The ending is great, it's fun to sing and play on the acoustic (capo on 4th fret).
09. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (4th) I hate ranking this as a single song. Like others, this is a collection of 8 different ideas/tracks/songs, but they're all great songs (maybe besides Goodnight Kiss, that one is decent). But since we have to bow to the wishes of the almighty band, here we are. Not my actual 4th favorite, but yeah, each part is a great picture of different mental illnesses. Favorites include Solitary Shell, The Test..., and Losing Time.
08. Breaking All Illusions (11th) 3rd best song from the MM era. It just slaps, and it does it better than Learning to Live.
07. Voices (40th) Excellent song, but 7th?! Wow. But I think I get it, it's not a prog epic but an emotional song with a lot of good stuff.
06. Trial Of Tears (31st) Great song from a weird era. Not on the hype train to be 6th best, that is pretty mind-blowing to me.
05. Home (65th) I don't get why people rate this so highly. I deduced it would be in the top 6, and I gave it a listen today and...yeah, there is some powerful music happening there, I can kinda see it being a big hit, but to make top 5, I don't know what I am missing.
04. Octavarium (2nd) This song is one of the best songs ever made to me. Intervals is especially awesome, but every part is its own little world, and I love visiting each part each time.
03. A Change Of Seasons (5th) Really 4th because we cannot dare break up SDOIT, this song is incredible. How can you not love "I'm sick of all you hypocrites holding me at bay!!!". In fact, that is a top 3 DT moment for me, it has an atmosphere that is indescribably beautiful.
02. Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle And The Sleeper (1st, top ranker) Maybe my favorite song ever? I am hard pressed to find a more perfect song. It's a nice length (heh), the instrumental is the best thing in music ever, JLB is awesome, intro, those outro chords. I try not to overplay it when I am in a DT mood.
01. Learning To Live (14th) Great song on an excellent album. And while I ranked it highly, I don't always want to hear it if I am listening to that album. But when I do, it's one of their best.
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I like Learning to Live enough for it to be in my top 20. But every time I listen to it I find the sound of the snare drum getting in the way of it being in my top ten.
Thanks for running it ReaperKK. It's been great fun! And it's kinda nice, and serendipitous, that the end has coincided with that fantastic photo of the band being back together.
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I always enjoy these. Sadly, I stopped participating 3 weeks ago when my mom suddenly passed away.
So sorry for your loss.
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I always enjoy these. Sadly, I stopped participating 3 weeks ago when my mom suddenly passed away. :'( I thought I would just share my top 20. I am a newish fan, and my lists typically are a bit different. But then so are many of them. Which is why Dream Theater is awesome! I could listen to anyones DT list and thourougly love it.
Looking at it, 4 of the top 20 are MM era songs. No Veiw songs made the top 20, even though that album has no skips. No WDaDu, Awake, TOT or TA songs made it. But FII had 2.
Thank you for running the countdown.
1 Octavarium
2 The Count of Tuscany
3 Home
4 In the Presence of Enemies
5 Beyond This Life
6 Finally Free
7 Illumination Theory
8 Breaking All Illusions
9 Fatal Tragedy
10 A Nightmare To Remember
11 Learning To Live
12 Strange Deja Vu
13 Sacrificed Sons
14 Peruvian Skies
15 Bridges In the Sky
16 Metropolis, Pt. 1: the Miracle and the Sleeper
17 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
18 Trial of Tears
19 At Wit's End
20 The Glass Prison
I'm sorry about your loss man. Nothing I could say to help really, but this thread actually helped me somewhat to focus on something else when I needed it. You've got a solid top 5, that's for sure.
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A big hug to geeeemo.
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I always enjoy these. Sadly, I stopped participating 3 weeks ago when my mom suddenly passed away. :'( I thought I would just share my top 20. I am a newish fan, and my lists typically are a bit different. But then so are many of them. Which is why Dream Theater is awesome! I could listen to anyones DT list and thourougly love it.
Oh no : ( I am so very sorry, with an elder frail mother I can only sympathize, I hope the music can be an helping and healing factor too. The spirit carries on, indeed..... :heart
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Sorry for your loss, geeeemo :-[
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My condolences, geeeemo.
Learning to live was my #7. Absolutely nothing wrong about having such a masterpiece at #1, though.
Reaper, well done for doing this, and kudos to Kev for starting it. This was so much fun. :metal
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Had LtL at #3. One of DT's best for sure.
Here's my list:
100. Take Away My Pain
99. Paralyzed
98. Another Day
97. Where Are You Now
96. The Gift of Music
95. The Dark Eternal Night
94. Bombay Vindaloo
93. The Root of All Evil
92. Wait For Sleep
91. Status Seeker
90. The Killing Hand
89. Eve
88. Vacant
87. Surrounded
86. Endless Sacrifice
85. Sleeping Giant
84. The Spirit Carries On
83. Far From Heaven
82. Octavarium
81. Stream of Consciousness
80. Cover My Eyes
79. Speak to Me
78. Hollow Years
77. Out of Reach
76. One Last Time
75. The Way It Used to Be
74. Peruvian Skies
73. The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
72. Moment of Betrayal
71. Outcry
70. The Silent Man
69. Beneath the Surface
68. Ytse Jam
67. Surrender to Reason
66. Fall Into the Light
65. The Count of Tuscany
64. Honor Thy Father
63. The Ministry of Lost Souls
62. The Looking Glass
61. Room 137
60. New Millennium
59. Untethered Angel
58. A View From the Top of the World
57. On the Backs of Angels
56. To Live Forever
55. Only a Matter of Time
54. Transcending Time
53. Innocence Faded
52. The Shattered Fortress
51. Awaken the Master
50. Finally Free
49. Viper King
48. I Walk Beside You
47. A Fortune In Lies
46. Light Fuse and Get Away
45. Panic Attack
44. The Glass Prison
43. These Walls
42. This Dying Soul
41. Hell’s Kitchen
40. Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
39. Lie
38. Caught In A Web
37. Pull Me Under
36. As I Am
35. Take the Time
34. Lines in the Sand
33. Raise the Knife
32. Disappear
31. In the Presence of Enemies
30. Space-Dye Vest
29. Overture 1928
28. Erotomania
27. Misunderstood
26. Pale Blue Dot
25. The Alien
24. 6:00
23. Beyond This Life
22. Trial of Tears
21. The Dance of Eternity
20. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
19. Answering the Call
18. Barstool Warrior
17. At Wit’s End
16. S2N
15. Fatal Tragedy
14. Strange Deja Vu
13. Blind Faith
12.The Great Debate
11. In the Name of God
10. Home
9. The Mirror
8. Voices
7. Bridges in the Sky
6. Under A Glass Moon
5. Breaking All Illusions
4. Scarred
3. Learning to Live
2. Metropolis, Pt. 1: the Miracle and the Sleeper
1. A Change of Seasons
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Very sorry to hear of you losing your mama geeeemo - my condolences. I know of several older ones who either passed away recently or who are near to it now, so I feel your pain at least to some extent. :'(
On a brighter note, thanks so much for doing this Reaper! Was a lot of fun to do, read everyone's comments and see how my favorites stack up to the general consensus. And high fives to the other 9 who also rated LtL as their #1! Wooohooo!! :biggrin:
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So I didn't really have the time to really participate in this countdown, but I have popped in to see the OP lately to see what the Top Ten looked like. For those curious, here's the Top Ten from the 2021 DT Survivor (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56946.msg2824316) I did not long after AVFTTOTW came out (although it took so long, the Survivor itself ended in June 2022):
01. Learning To Live
02. A Change Of Seasons
03. Metropolis Part 1: The Miracle And The Sleeper
04. Octavarium
05. Scarred
06. Voices
07. Breaking All Illusions
08. Home
09. Trial Of Tears
10. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
I'm not surprised that the Top 4 in my survivor are the same Top 4 here, while five of the other six also made it. "Scarred" is the odd one out but I see it placed 12th in the Countdown. While TCOT placed 10th here, it was 16th in my survivor. Glad to see the classics never change here!
-Marc.
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Had LtL at #3. One of DT's best for sure.
Here's my list:
100. Take Away My Pain
99. Paralyzed
98. Another Day
97. Where Are You Now
96. The Gift of Music
95. The Dark Eternal Night
94. Bombay Vindaloo
93. The Root of All Evil
92. Wait For Sleep
91. Status Seeker
90. The Killing Hand
89. Eve
88. Vacant
87. Surrounded
86. Endless Sacrifice
85. Sleeping Giant
84. The Spirit Carries On
83. Far From Heaven
82. Octavarium
81. Stream of Consciousness
80. Cover My Eyes
79. Speak to Me
78. Hollow Years
77. Out of Reach
76. One Last Time
75. The Way It Used to Be
74. Peruvian Skies
73. The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
72. Moment of Betrayal
71. Outcry
70. The Silent Man
69. Beneath the Surface
68. Ytse Jam
67. Surrender to Reason
66. Fall Into the Light
65. The Count of Tuscany
64. Honor Thy Father
63. The Ministry of Lost Souls
62. The Looking Glass
61. Room 137
60. New Millennium
59. Untethered Angel
58. A View From the Top of the World
57. On the Backs of Angels
56. To Live Forever
55. Only a Matter of Time
54. Transcending Time
53. Innocence Faded
52. The Shattered Fortress
51. Awaken the Master
50. Finally Free
49. Viper King
48. I Walk Beside You
47. A Fortune In Lies
46. Light Fuse and Get Away
45. Panic Attack
44. The Glass Prison
43. These Walls
42. This Dying Soul
41. Hell’s Kitchen
40. Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
39. Lie
38. Caught In A Web
37. Pull Me Under
36. As I Am
35. Take the Time
34. Lines in the Sand
33. Raise the Knife
32. Disappear
31. In the Presence of Enemies
30. Space-Dye Vest
29. Overture 1928
28. Erotomania
27. Misunderstood
26. Pale Blue Dot
25. The Alien
24. 6:00
23. Beyond This Life
22. Trial of Tears
21. The Dance of Eternity
20. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
19. Answering the Call
18. Barstool Warrior
17. At Wit’s End
16. S2N
15. Fatal Tragedy
14. Strange Deja Vu
13. Blind Faith
12.The Great Debate
11. In the Name of God
10. Home
9. The Mirror
8. Voices
7. Bridges in the Sky
6. Under A Glass Moon
5. Breaking All Illusions
4. Scarred
3. Learning to Live
2. Metropolis, Pt. 1: the Miracle and the Sleeper
1. A Change of Seasons
Wow our top 15 are very similar :metal
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Here’s my final top 100! As you can see, I also had Learning to Live at #1. Just not sure that one can ever be outdone.
Although I will take this moment to say that I absolutely hate separating it from Wait for Sleep. It’s not just the repeated theme at the end of LTL, it’s the way they seamlessly blend into one another. It’s almost impossible to separate the two in my mind. It’s like trying to separate AD 1928 from Rockin the Paradise. I just can’t do it.
100. Untethered Angel
99. Invisible Monster
98. The Silent Man
97. Answering the Call
96. In the Name of God
95. Innocence Faded
94. Speak to Me
93. Moment of Betrayal
92. Hell’s Kitchen
91. Endless Sacrifice
90. Lines in the Sand
89. Along for the Ride
88. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
87. This is the Life
86. Lost Not Forgotten
85. Vacant
84. The Count of Tuscany
83. The Looking Glass
82. Enigma Machine
81. The Dance of Eternity
80. At Wit’s End
79. Don’t Look Past Me
78. Take Away My Pain
77. Home
76. This Dying Soul
75. Honor Thy Father
74. The Enemy Inside
73. Outcry
72. A Fortune in Lies
71. Blind Faith
70. Just Let Me Breathe
69. Disappear
68. A Vision
67. Paralyzed
66. The Alien
65. Anna Lee
64. Surrender to Reason
63. Panic Attack
62. Another Day
61. Transcending Time
60. Misunderstood
59. The Answer Lies Within
58. A View From the Top of the World
57. Afterlife
56. A Nightmare to Remember
55. Hollow Years
54. I Walk Beside You
53. The Way It Used to Be
52. Barstool Warrior
51. One Last Time
50. Space Dye Vest
49. Ytse Jam
48. Wait for Sleep
47. The Dark Eternal Night
46. These Walls
45. Fall Into the Light
44. As I Am
43. The Spirit Carries On
42. Overture 1928
41. Our New World
40. Behind the Veil
39. Caught in a Web
38. Sacrificed Sons
37. 6:00
36. Raise the Knife
35. Beneath the Surface
34. Erotomania
33. Illumination Theory
32. Never Enough
31. Stream of Consciousness
30. Light Fuse and Get Away
29. New Millennium
28. The Killing Hand
27. Bridges in the Sky
26. A Life Left Behind
25. The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
24. The Bigger Picture
23. Metropolis Pt 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper
22. Eve
21. Peruvian Skies
20. Pull Me Under
19. Surrounded
18. Strange Déjà Vu
17. Breaking All Illusions
16. Under a Glass Moon
15. The Root of All Evil
14. Fatal Tragedy
13. Take the Time
12. Voices
11. The Mirror
10. The Glass Prison
9. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
8. Scarred
7. Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
6. Trial of Tears
5. Finally Free
4. A Change of Seasons
3. Beyond This Life
2. Octavarium
1. Learning to Live
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I'm sorry for all of you, but it turns out I have the finest list. Although Learning to Live should be higher. Learning curve.
I am curious though which was song 101 on the forumranking.
100: Untethered Angel
099: Anna Lee
098: A Savior In the Square
097: Invisible Monster
096: Beyond This Life 72
095: I Walk Beside You 15
094: S2n spot on
093: Never Enough 7
092: The Great Debate 39
091: Caught In a Web 40
090: The Alien 21
089: Only a Matter of Time 7
088: Surrender to Reason 5
087: Forsaken 8
086: Through Her Eyes 12
085: The Silent Man 19
084: Constant Motion 2
083: Fall Into the Light 11
082: The Best of Times 5
081: Repentance
080: Wait for Sleep 36
079: On the Backs of Angels 23
078: Behind the Veil 11
077: Afterlife 19
076: Hollow Years 17
075: Ravenskill
074: Sacrified Sons 9
073: 6:00 39
072: Erotomania 32
071: Prophets of War
070: These Walls 16
069: Innocence Faded 27
068: The Enemy Inside 15
067: Pale Blue Dot 3
066: Fatal Tragedy 53
065: Another Day 27
064: Pull Me Under 50
063: Disappear 22
062: Peruvian Skies 18
061: Misunderstood 30
060: A Fortune in Lies 18
059: Hell's Kitchen 2
058: Status Seeker
057: A Rite of Passage
056: A Nightmare to Remember 6
055: Blind Faith 34
054: The Looking Glass 38
053: Raise the Knife 12
052: Under a Glass Moon 36
051: Panic Attack 5
050: Wither 49
049: Lifting Shadows Off a Dream 14
048: Transcending Time 42
047: Home 42
046: Barstool Warrior 6
045: The Root of All Evil 9
044: Ytse Jam 23
043: The Spirit Carries On 17
042: The Killing Hand 26
041: Sleeping Giant 44
040: Answering the Call 45
039: Another Hand - The Killing Hand
038: The Dance of Eternity 5
037: The Bigger Picture 23
036: Lines In the Sand 8
035: Bombay Vindaloo
034: As I Am 9
033: At Wit's End 4
032: Another Won
031: Endless Sacrifice 2
030: Space-Dye Vest spot on
029: Awaken the Master 52
028: Stream of Conciousness 11
027: Honor Thy Father 44
026: Learning to Live 25
025: Lie 22
024: One Last Time 22
023: In the Name of God 12
022: Finally Free 3
021: Voices 13
020: Breaking All Illusions 13
019: Trial of Tears 14
018: Outcry 47
017: Beneath the Surface 49
016: The Shattered Fortress 63
015: The Mirror 12
014: This Dying Soul 33
013: The Glass Prison 2
012: Bridges In the Sky 11
011: Metropolis pt. I 9
010: The Ministry of Lost Souls 51
009: Scarred 3
008: Surrounded 12
007: A View From the Top of the World 42
006: In the Presence of Enemies 16
005: Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 4
004: Illumination Theory 21 highest
003: The Count of Tuscany 7
002: A Change of Seasons 2
001: Octavarium 3 highest
not ranked: 12 The Gift of Music / Vacant / Our New World / A New Beginning / This Is the Life / New Millennium / To Live Forever / Lost Not Forgotten / The Dark Eternal Night / Overture 1928 / Strange Deja Vu / Take the Time
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1. Learning To Live
2. Metropolis, Pt. 1: the Miracle and the Sleeper
3. A Change of Seasons
4. Trial of Tears
5. Scarred
6. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
7. Another Day
8. Take the Time
9. Surrounded
10. Under a Glass Moon
11. Hell's Kitchen
12. Eve
13. The Count of Tuscany
14. Lie
15. Light Fuse and Get Away
16. Voices
17. Finally Free
18. The Killing Hand
19. Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
20. The One Who Helps to Set the Sun
21. Innocence Faded
22. Home
23. Bombay Vindaloo
24. Pull Me Under
25. Wait For Sleep
26. A Vision
27. 6:00
28. Erotomania
29. The Mirror
30. Space-Dye Vest
31. Barfbag
32. Don't Look Past Me
33. Blind Faith
34. Disappear
35. In the Name of God
36. Only a Matter of Time
37. Caught In a Web
38. Peruvian Skies
39. Lines In the Sand
40. Another Hand
41. The Silent Man
42. Slow Motion
43. The Spirit Carries On
44. Octavarium
45. Your Majesty
46. Afterlife
47. A Fortune in Lies
48. Awake Jam
49. Take Away My Pain
50. One Last Time
51. Illumination Theory
52. Ytse Jam
53. To Live Forever
54. Two Far
55. Vital Star
56. Strange Deja Vu
57. Status Seeker
58. Speak To Me
59. Moon Bubbles
60. Raise The Knife
61. In the Presence of Enemies
62. Raw Dog
63. Overture 1928
64. Gladiator Theme
65. Misunderstood
66. Cry for Freedom
67. Another Won
68. Beyond This Life
69. Fatal Tragedy
70. March of the Tyrant
71. The Great Debate
72. The Way It Used to Be
73. Where Are You Now
74. The Dance of Eternity
75. Panic Attack
76. New Millennium
77. Hollow Years
78. Cover My Eyes
79. Anna Lee
80. Burning My Soul
81. Breaking All Illusions
82. As I Am
83. I Walk Beside You
84. Sacrificed Sons
85. Through Her Eyes
86. Wither
87. This Dying Soul
88. The Glass Prison
89. Endless Sacrifice
90. Honor Thy Father
91. Just Let Me Breathe
92. Stream of Consciousness
93. The Path That Divides
94. You Not Me
95. These Walls
96. The Bigger Picture
97. A New Beginning
98. Bridges In the Sky
99. The Answer Lies Within
100. Never Enough
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And we have reached the end! First off big thanks for pg1067 for putting this idea out there, and Kev for getting the ball rolling. Also thanks to all of you submitting lists and being patient while I cobbled together speadsheets of Dream Theater lists. When I get back from vacation later next week I'll post the whole list with final point values for each song.
01. Learning To Live
Highest Finish: 1 (CharlesPL, Dittomist, Indiscipline, jammindude, JiM-Xtreme, Peter MC, Setlist Scotty, TAC, The Realm, Zydar)
Number of Lists appeared on: 66 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
I had Learning To Live at #1!!
In fact, it's my favorite song by any band. Just magical.
I saw them in late '92 and early '93 in Boston, and both nights it was snowing. they ended the shows with Learning To Live and that outro was still ringing in my ears and as I left the clubs, the snow was falling. Magical.
List Not Ranked
100 Cover My Eyes Wither
99 Light Fuse And Get Away Vacant
98 6:00 Our New World
97 A Rite Of Passage The Looking Glass
96 The Root Of All Evil Transcending Time
95 Lie Behind The Veil
94 Raw Dog New Millenium
93 Caught In A Web Constant Motion
92 The Glass Prison The Shattered Fortress
91 Eve To Live Forever
90 Forsaken Answering The Call
89 The Walking Shadow Honor Thy Father
88 Heaven's Cove The Silent Man
87 False Awakening Suite Hell's Kitchen
86 Zydar The Great Debate
85 Pale Blue Dot As I Am
84 My Last farewell Misunderstood
83 Lord Nefaryus The Mirror
82 Three Days Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
81 Far From Heaven Home
80 Awaken The Master
79 On The Backs Of Angels
78 Stream Of Consciousness
77 A Nightmare To Remember
76 S2N
75 These Walls
74 Afterlife
73 This Is The Life
72 Beyond This Life
71 Pull Me Under
70 One Last Time
69 Surrender Of Reason
68 A Tempting Offer
67 Moment Of Betrayal
66 A Saviour In The Square
65 Sacrificed Sons
64 Beneath The Surface
63 Through Her Eyes
62 The Bigger Picture
61 I Walk Beside You
60 Never Enough
59 A New Beginning
58 Wait For Sleep
57 Illumination Theory
56 The Spirit Carries On
55 Under A Glass Moon
54 Barstool Warrior
53 The Path That Divides
52 Finally Free
51 Erotomania
50 In The Name Of God
49 Strange Deja Vu
48 Bridges In The Sky
47 Blind Faith
46 Prophets Of War
45 Overture 1928
44 Panic Attack
43 Innocence Faded
42 The Ministry Of Lost Souls
41 Sleeping Giant
40 Another Won
39 A View From The Top Of The World
38 At Wits End
37 Fall Into The Light
36 In The Presence Of Enemies
35 The Gift Of Music
34 The Dance Of Eternity
33 Peruvian Skies
32 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
31 Ytse Jam
30 Trial Of Tears
29 Ravenskill
28 The Enemy Inside
27 Voices
26 Only A Matter Of Time
25 Surrounded
24 Raise The Knife
23 Hollow Years
22 The Dark Eternal Night
21 Outcry
20 This Dying Soul
19 The X Aspect
18 A Fortune In Lies
17 A Change Of Seasons
16 The Alien
15 Fatal Tragedy
14 The Best Of Times
13 Endless Sacrifice
12 Metropolis Pt.1
11 Lost Not Forgotten.
10 Take The Time
9 Breaking All Illusions
8 Lines In The Sand
7 Disappear
6 The Count Of Tuscany
5 Space Dye Vest
4 The Killing Hand
3 Scarred
2 Octavarium
1 Learning To Live
80-20
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Thank you so much Karolis for doing this. Much appreciated! Great job.
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I apologise in advance if somebody has already pointed it out and I've missed it, but isn't it cool 66 people joined in this and it went 66 pages long?
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Nuggetz!!!
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Lock the thread now!
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Learning to Live - Came in at #2 on my list. What a jaw-dropping piece of music. Beautiful lyrics from JM, JP is tasteful throughout, and I love the WFS reprise. JLB is what really elevates the song though with his performance. Obviously the F#, but he crushes it from bell to bell.
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Number 4 for me!
List Not Ranked
100 Build Me Up, Break Me Down The Gift of Music
99 The Best of Times A New Beginning
98 Constant Motion New Millenium
97 Burning My Soul Sleeping Giant
96 A Fortune in Lies Awaken the Master
95 The Alien To Live Forever
94 Our New World The Killing Hand
93 This is the Life Ytse Jam
92 Disappear The Silent Man
91 Hollow Years Raise the Knife
90 Sacrificed Sons Beneath the Surface
89 Only A Matter of Time
88 Vacant
87 Prophets of War
86 Through Her Eyes
85 Paralyzed
84 Stream Of Consciousness
83 Just Let Me Breathe
82 Transcending Time
81 Untethered Angel
80 Hell's Kitchen
79 Pale Blue Dot
78 Wither
77 Lines in the Sand
76 Room 137
75 The Ministry of Lost Souls
74 The Enemy Inside
73 One Last Time
72 Peruvian Skies
71 Forsaken
70 Lost Not Forgotten
69 Moment of Betrayal
68 Far From Heaven
67 S2N
66 Fall Into the Light
65 A Rite of Passage
64 The Looking Glass
63 Panic Attack
62 Surrounded
61 On the Backs of Angels
60 Beyond This Life
59 Trial of Tears
58 Afterlife
57 Caught In A Web
56 Breaking All Illusions
55 Visions
54 The Great Debate
53 A Nightmare to Remember
52 Erotomania
51 Answering the Call
50 The Spirit Carries On
49 Space-Dye Vest
48 The Shattered Fortress
47 Finally Free
46 As I Am
45 Bridges in the Sky
44 The Dark Eternal Night
43 Out of Reach
42 Never Enough
41 Wait For Sleep
40 6:00
39 Strange Deja Vu
38 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulance
37 The Bigger Picture
36 Outcry
35 Take the Time
34 Lie
33 The Root of All Evil
32 I Walk Beside You
31 Overture 1928
30 A View From the Top of the World
29 Surrender to Reason
28 Barstool Warrior
27 Another Day
26 Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
25 Endless Sacrifice
24 Innocence Faded
23 Misunderstood
22 Under A Glass Moon
21 In the Presence of Enemies
20 Behind the Veil
19 Honor Thy Father
18 Pull Me Under
17 The Dance of Eternity
16 In the Name of God
15 Fatal Tragedy
14 The Count of Tuscany
13 These Walls
12 At Wit's End
11 The Mirror
10 Scarred
9 Home
8 The Glass Prison
7 Metropolis
6 Blind Faith
5 Illumination Theory
4 Learning to Live
3 A Change of Seasons
2 This Dying Soul.
1 Octavarium
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Metropolis - my number 4.
Learning to Live - my number 1.
Finished at 90/10.
Highest ranking song that didn't make it was Through My Words at 43 and then Untethered Angel at 55 (still very surprised that song didn't sneak in).
Great countdown. Thanks for running it Reaper and thanks to Kev for organising.
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Here's my full list.
171 The Hovering Sojourn
170 Power Down
169 Digital Discord
168 Machine Chatter
167 Descent of the NOMACS
166 Hymn of A Thousand Voices
165 Another Hand
164 Just Let Me Breathe
163 Your Majesty
162 Prophets of War
161 Moon Bubbles
160 Bombay Vindaloo
159 Viper King
158 Room 137
157 Whispers On The Wind
156 2285 Entr'acte
155 Cry for Freedom
154 Chosen
153 A Rite of Passage
152 Through My Words
151 Lord Nafaryus
150 Ravenskill
149 Begin Again
148 False Awakening Suite
147 Beneath the Surface
146 Losing Faythe
145 Far From Heaven
144 The Great Debate
143 Vacant
142 The Walking Shadow
141 A Tempting Offer
140 Act of Faythe
139 Build Me Up, Break Me Down
138 The Answer
137 Enigma Machine
136 Ytse Jam
135 Astonishing
134 A Life Left Behind
133 The Path That Divides
132 My Last Farewell
131 Where Are You Now
130 Vital Star
129 Two Far
128 A Vision
127 The Road To Revolution
126 A Better Life
125 Out Of Reach
124 Burning My Soul
123 Dystopian Overture
122 You Not Me
121 Eve
120 Raw Dog
119 A Savior In The Square
118 Paralyzed
117 Untethered Angel
116 The Dark Eternal Night
115 The X Aspect
114 The Enemy Inside
113 Repentance
112 Speak To Me
111 This is the Life
110 Heaven's Cove
109 Brother, Can You Hear Me?
108 Wither
107 Never Enough
106 Constant Motion
105 The Bigger Picture
104 Along For the Ride
103 Fall Into The Light
102 Three Days
101 The Answer Lies Within
100 A New Beginning
99 Cover My Eyes
98 Barstool Warrior
97 The Way It Used to Be
96 Moment of Betrayal
95 Invisible Monster
94 When Your Time Has Come
93 Lost Not Forgotten
92 Sacrificed Sons
91 Forsaken
90 Pale Blue Dot
89 Overture 1928
88 Behind the Veil
87 Don't Look Past Me
86 Wait For Sleep
85 The Silent Man
84 I Walk Beside You
83 Only a Matter of Time
82 Take Away My Pain
81 New Millennium
80 The Alien
79 As I Am
78 Outcry
77 Light Fuse and Get Away
76 Our New World
75 Sleeping Giant
74 The Root of All Evil
73 Transcending Time
72 On the Backs of Angels
71 Anna Lee
70 Peruvian Skies
69 Status Seeker
68 S2N
67 Through Her Eyes
66 The One Who Helps to Set the Sun
65 Raise The Knife
64 Stream of Consciousness
63 The Shattered Fortress
62 A Fortune in Lies
61 Hollow Years
60 Surrender To Reason
59 Answering the Call
58 The Gift of Music
57 Bridges In the Sky
56 These Walls
55 One Last Time
54 A Nightmare To Remember
53 Erotomania
52 Honor Thy Father
51 Illumination Theory
50 The Looking Glass
49 At Wit's End
48 Awaken the Master
47 The Ministry of Lost Souls
46 In the Name of God
45 Caught In a Web
44 Hell's Kitchen
43 Breaking All Illusions
42 A View from the Top of the World
41 Space-Dye Vest
40 Lines In the Sand
39 To Live Forever
38 The Best of Times
37 This Dying Soul
36 Blind Faith
35 Strange Deja Vu
34 Endless Sacrifice
33 6:00
32 Another Day
31 The Dance of Eternity
30 Afterlife
29 The Killing Hand
28 The Glass Prison
27 Fatal Tragedy
26 Disappear
25 Panic Attack
24 The Mirror
23 Under a Glass Moon
22 Finally Free
21 Surrounded
20 Scarred
19 Home
18 The Count of Tuscany
17 Pull Me Under
16 Another Won
15 Innocence Faded
14 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
13 Take the Time
12 Lie
11 Misunderstood
10 Beyond This Life
9 The Spirit Carries On
8 Metropolis, Pt. 1: the Miracle and the Sleeper
7 Voices
6 Learning To Live
5 Trial of Tears
4 In the Presence of Enemies
3 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
2 A Change of Seasons
1 Octavarium
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Got a little waylaid this past week and need get and reread some of the relative ranking comments, but a few notable mentions of my own that I did notice...
Under A Glass Moon #16
Lost Not Forgotten #14
Take The Time #11
Surrounded #12
A Change Of Seasons #17
Metropolis Pt.1 #2 (nailed it)
Learning To Live #10
Loved this countdown thanks Reaper and Kev!
One thing I will be doing fer sure is grabbing the Falling Into Infinity Demos set asap.
And my sympathies to you geeeemo :'(
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My top ten unranked songs:
1. Cover My Eyes
This is what I was waiting for. Now you can lock the thread. ;D
It's a fantastic song, by the way, one of the best tracks from the entire FII sessions, even including the songs that did end up on the record. They had a four minute hit and decided not to put it on the album. To this day, that's beyond me.
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06. Trial Of Tears my #4
I thought it might be an outsider pick ranking it that high, but apparently not. It took L@B for me to appreciate this song, before that it was just the odd long song at the end of an album I rarely listen to. But once it clicked, it grew and grew.
05. Home my #19
04. Octavarium my #3
03. A Change Of Seasons my #2
02. Metropolis Pt. 1 my #1
01. Learning To Live my #13
For some reason LTL never was as special to me as it is to most (I rated UAGM higher, at 11). I can't really say why.
My highest ranked song not making the list is, of all things, Burning My Soul at my 58. I always kind of liked the pairing of BMS and JLMB and I stand by it. But seeing it higher in my list than, for example, SOC or Surrounded, there definitely must have been a glitch in the matrix.
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[...] I absolutely hate separating it from Wait for Sleep.[...]
Oh, and this.
Counting the two as a unit surely would have pushed it up a few spots on my list. (I know, I know, we don't do that ;D).
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Here is my final list. I probably overranked some songs but hey, the system got my top three right and I trusted it. In the end, I checked the list from 101 onwards and wondered if I missed any of those songs being in the top 100, the answer was no, so I went for it.
I even ran the list thrice, obtaining some different results save for the top 4, and I kept the third attempt. First, I ranked everything; then I did it a second time without "the fat" (Nomacs, live jams, Majesty demos....) and then I did a third and decisive ranking leaving out songs that in both previous occasions failed to go past 120 - what's the point of trying again to rank songs I already know won't make it? I figured that with less choices, my preferences would have been more focused.
Anyway, here we go, between parenthesis DTF's position and then the difference:
1 Metropolis, Pt. 1: the Miracle and the Sleeper (2) +1
2 A Change of Seasons (3) +1
3 Voices (7) +4
4 The Mirror (27) +23
5 Octavarium (4) -1
6 Take the Time (17) +11
7 Home (5) -2
8 Scarred (12) +4
9 Finally Free (19) +10
10 Learning To Live (1) -9
11 Strange Deja Vu (18) +7
12 Fatal Tragedy (13) +1
13 The Spirit Carries On (26) +13
14 Pull Me Under (14) 0 only song I ranked exactly as DTF
15 Trial of Tears (6) -9
16 Beyond This Life (24) +8
17 The Silent Man (66) +49
18 Space-Dye Vest (30) +12
19 The Glass Prison (15) -4
20 Lie (47) +27
21 Peruvian Skies (44) +23
22 The Root of All Evil (36) +14
23 Through Her Eyes (73) +50
24 Innocence Faded (42) +18
25 Endless Sacrifice (29) +4
26 The Count of Tuscany (10) - 16
27 Bridges In the Sky (23) -4
28 Wither (99) +71 song with the biggest positive delta
29 Forsaken (95) +66
30 These Walls (54) +24
31 Under a Glass Moon (16) -15
32 As I Am (43) +11
33 Surrounded (20) -13
34 Wait For Sleep (44) + 10
35 Disappear (41) +6
36 A Better Life top ranking song that didn't make DTF's list
37 Breaking All Illusions (8) -29
38 Beneath the Surface (64) +26
39 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9) -30
40 Ravenskill
41 When Your Time Has Come
42 The Bigger Picture (60) +18
43 In the Presence of Enemies (22) -21
44 In the Name of God (11) +33
45 Hollow Years (59) +14
46 Caught In a Web (51) +5
47 Another Day (38) -9
48 I Walk Beside You (80) +32
49 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (35) -14
50 Outcry (58) +8
51 6:00 (34) -17
52 Speak To Me
53 Only a Matter of Time (82) +29
54 Misunderstood (31) -23
55 One Last Time (46) -9
56 The Ministry of Lost Souls (61) +5
57 At Wit's End (37) -20
58 Behind the Veil (89) +31
59 Astonishing
60 Blind Faith (21) -39
61 Far From Heaven
62 The Killing Hand (68) +6
63 On the Backs of Angels (56) -7
64 Three Days
65 A Nightmare To Remember (50) -15
66 Barstool Warrior (52) -14
67 Don't Look Past Me
68 A Fortune in Lies (78) +10
69 Chosen
70 The Gift of Music (98) +28
71 Erotomania (40) -31
72 Raise The Knife (65) -7
73 Panic Attack (55) -18
74 A Savior In The Square
75 Overture 1928 (32) -43
76 The Dance of Eternity (33) -43
77 Cover My Eyes
78 The Best of Times (77) -1
79 Burning My Soul
80 The Answer Lies Within
81 Lines In the Sand (28) - 53
82 Lord Nafaryus
83 Transcending Time (90) +7
84 Illumination Theory (25) -59 song with the biggest negative delta
85 The Path That Divides
86 Vacant (97) +11
87 The Shattered Fortress (79) -8
88 The Answer
89 Fall Into The Light (72) -17
90 You Not Me
91 Paralyzed
92 A View from the Top of the World (49) -43
93 Build Me Up, Break Me Down
94 A Rite of Passage
95 Along For the Ride
96 Never Enough (100) +4
97 Answering the Call (76) -21
98 Anna Lee
99 The Enemy Inside (83) -16
100 S2N (94) -6
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101 Act of Faythe
102 New Millennium (87) -15
103 Moment of Betrayal
104 This Dying Soul (47) -57
105 Prophets of War
106 Sacrificed Sons (63) -43
107 The Alien (69) -38
108 Brother, Can You Hear Me?
109 Repentance
110 This is the Life (88) -22
111 Room 137
112 Through My Words
113 Regression
114 The Road To Revolution
115 Surrender To Reason (84) -31
116 Untethered Angel
117 Ytse Jam (67) -50
118 The Walking Shadow
119 Stream of Consciousness (39) -80 song with the biggest negative delta in general
120 Take Away My Pain
121 Heaven's Cove
122 Out Of Reach
123 Our New World (93) -30
124 Pale Blue Dot (62) -62
125 My Last Farewell
126 Hymn of A Thousand Voices
127 Just Let Me Breathe
128 Hell's Kitchen (57) -71
129 The Great Debate (53) -76
These songs I didn't even include in the final ranking, but made DTF's top 100:
NR The Dark Eternal Night (70)
NR Honor Thy Father (71)
NR Lost not Forgotten (73)
NR To Live Forever (76)
NR Awaken the Master (81)
NR Sleeping Giant (85)
NR Constant Motion (86)
NR A New Beginning (91)
NR The Looking Glass (92)
NR Afterlife (96)
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Thanks to Kev and then Reaper for running this, and everyone who participated both with your lists and your activity in this thread. For me, my top three songs to not make the master list were the below. I thought Eve would've snuck in somewhere in the countdown.
40 Eve
57 Moment of Betrayal
66 Speak To Me
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Full list:
1 In the Presence of Enemies
2 Breaking All Illusions
3 Metropolis, Pt. 1: the Miracle and the Sleeper
4 This is the Life
5 Beneath the Surface
6 Space-Dye Vest
7 Learning To Live
8 Octavarium
9 Endless Sacrifice
10 Finally Free
11 The Spirit Carries On
12 The Silent Man
13 In the Name of God
14 The Count of Tuscany
15 Vacant
16 Stream of Consciousness
17 Wait For Sleep
18 Sacrificed Sons
19 Hollow Years
20 Home
21 The Ministry of Lost Souls
22 Another Day
23 Pull Me Under
24 These Walls
25 Panic Attack
26 Moment of Betrayal
27 On the Backs of Angels
28 Voices
29 The Bigger Picture
30 One Last Time
31 Scarred
32 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
33 At Wit's End
34 Forsaken
35 Beyond This Life
36 The Mirror
37 Fatal Tragedy
38 Blind Faith
39 Strange Deja Vu
40 Wither
41 Barstool Warrior
42 Out Of Reach
43 Overture 1928
44 The Root of All Evil
45 Three Days
46 Trial of Tears
47 A Rite of Passage
48 When Your Time Has Come
49 Repentance
50 Ravenskill
51 Outcry
52 The Answer Lies Within
53 Take the Time
54 A Nightmare To Remember
55 Bridges In the Sky
56 Peruvian Skies
57 Paralyzed
58 Surrounded
59 Never Enough
60 A Better Life
61 As I Am
62 Chosen
63 Surrender To Reason
64 A Savior In The Square
65 Far From Heaven
66 The Enemy Inside
67 Lord Nafaryus
68 Behind the Veil
69 Disappear
70 Fall Into The Light
71 The X Aspect
72 Through Her Eyes
73 I Walk Beside You
74 The Dance of Eternity
75 Prophets of War
76 The Best of Times
77 Along For the Ride
78 A New Beginning
79 Answering the Call
80 Burning My Soul
81 Under a Glass Moon
82 Lie
83 Untethered Angel
84 The Looking Glass
85 The Killing Hand
86 The Glass Prison
87 The Shattered Fortress
88 Build Me Up, Break Me Down
89 Illumination Theory
90 Innocence Faded
91 Caught In a Web
92 Afterlife
93 Misunderstood
94 This Dying Soul
95 A Life Left Behind
96 Honor Thy Father
97 The Dark Eternal Night
98 Constant Motion
99 6:00
100 A Tempting Offer
Apparently I do like The Astonishing more than the usual DTF poster.
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Songs that made the list which I did not rank:
95 - Forsaken
99 - Wither
97 - Vacant
91 - A New Beginning
90 - Transcending Time
85 - Sleeping Giant
83 - The Enemy Inside
81 - Awaken the Master
75 - Answering the Call
73 - Lost Not Forgotten
70 - The Dark Eternal Night
69 - The Alien
56 - On the Backs of Angels
49 - A View from the Top of the World
The songs that I *did* rate that did not make the DTF Top 100:
100 - Take Away My Pain
97 - Moment of Betrayal :omg:, iknowrite?
96 - The One Who Helps to Set the Sun
95 - Prophets of War
94 - Along For the Ride
89 - The Answer Lies Within
86 - Far From Heaven
82 - Light Fuse and Get Away
76 - The Way It Used to Be
73 - Just Let Me Breathe
53 - Don't Look Past Me
51 - Room 137
48 - Speak To Me
20 - Another Won
Biggest differences that I outranked DTF:
A Fortune In Lies - 63 (78-15)
The Killing Hand - 52 (68-16)
YtseJam - 49 (67-18)
Never Enough - 48 (100-52)
I Walk Beside You - 48 (80-32)
Biggest differences that DTF outranked me:
Illumination Theory - 65 (90-25)
Beyond This Life - 63 (87-24)
The Count of Tuscany - 54 (64-10)
Misunderstood - 52 (83-31)
Disappear - 50 (91-41)
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[...] I absolutely hate separating it from Wait for Sleep.[...]
Oh, and this.
Counting the two as a unit surely would have pushed it up a few spots on my list. (I know, I know, we don't do that ;D).
I can see the arguments for keeping/separating songs like ITPOE or Six Degrees but I've never considered Wait For Sleep and Learning To Live as a singular piece. Did DT ever say they could be considered one?
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I agree with you, it's not Through My Words / Fatal Tragedy here, I consider Wait for Sleep a full, legitimate song, and the reprise of its melody into Learning to Live, beside the obvious back to back placement on the album and therefore the often used tactic of playing them in sequence live, is not enough for me to consider them as a single unit.
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I agree with you, it's not Through My Words / Fatal Tragedy here, I consider Wait for Sleep a full, legitimate song, and the reprise of its melody into Learning to Live, beside the obvious back to back placement on the album and therefore the often used tactic of playing them in sequence live, is not enough for me to consider them as a single unit.
No, definitely not, and I really didn't want to bring THAT discussion up again. But to me – totally subjective – songs like WTFWFS/LTL, HK/LITS, Vacant/SoC, FFH/BAI are strongly tied in my listening experience.
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[...] I absolutely hate separating it from Wait for Sleep.[...]
Oh, and this.
Counting the two as a unit surely would have pushed it up a few spots on my list. (I know, I know, we don't do that ;D).
I can see the arguments for keeping/separating songs like ITPOE or Six Degrees but I've never considered Wait For Sleep and Learning To Live as a singular piece. Did DT ever say they could be considered one?
No.
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[...] I absolutely hate separating it from Wait for Sleep.[...]
Oh, and this.
Counting the two as a unit surely would have pushed it up a few spots on my list. (I know, I know, we don't do that ;D).
I can see the arguments for keeping/separating songs like ITPOE or Six Degrees but I've never considered Wait For Sleep and Learning To Live as a singular piece. Did DT ever say they could be considered one?
No.
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Here is my full list. Reaper, you are the MAN. :heart
1 Metropolis, Pt. 1: the Miracle and the Sleeper
2 Octavarium
3 The Glass Prison
4 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
5 A Change of Seasons
6 The Count of Tuscany
7 On the Backs of Angels
8 Bridges In the Sky
9 Panic Attack
10 Endless Sacrifice
11 Breaking All Illusions
12 Stream of Consciousness
13 In the Name of God
14 Learning to Live
15 As I Am
16 Innocence Faded
17 Never Enough
18 The Root of All Evil
19 Take the Time
20 Hollow Years
21 Hell's Kitchen
22 The Shattered Fortress
23 The Spirit Carries On
24 Another Day
25 Surrounded
26 The Dark Eternal Night
27 Misunderstood
28 In the Presence of Enemies
29 The Great Debate
30 These Walls
31 Trial of Tears
32 6:00
33 This is the Life
34 This Dying Soul
35 Constant Motion
36 The Enemy Inside
37 Wait For Sleep
38 The Silent Man
39 Disappear
40 Voices
41 Bombay Vindaloo
42 Blind Faith
43 I Walk Beside You
44 Space-Dye Vest
45 The Dance of Eternity
46 Erotomania
47 Repentance
48 Eve
49 The Answer Lies Within
50 Out Of Reach
51 Outcry
52 Caught In a Web
53 Enigma Machine
54 The Looking Glass
55 Overture 1928
56 Ytse Jam
57 Raise The Knife
58 Lines in the Sand
59 Beneath the Surface
60 Far From Heaven
61 Build Me Up, Break Me Down
62 The Best of Times
63 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
64 Surrender To Reason
65 Home
66 Wither
67 Under a Glass Moon
68 A Nightmare To Remember
69 Scarred
70 Vacant
71 The Mirror
72 Lie
73 Untethered Angel
74 One Last Time
75 Lost Not Forgotten
76 Finally Free
77 Pull Me Under
78 Honor Thy Father
79 Transcending Time
80 Prophets of War
81 Cover My Eyes
82 Along For the Ride
83 Take Away My Pain
84 A Rite of Passage
85 Sacrificed Sons
86 A Fortune in Lies
87 Forsaken
88 Beyond This Life
89 Strange Deja Vu
90 Fatal Tragedy
91 Illumination Theory
92 The Gift of Music
93 Just Let Me Breathe
94 Anna Lee
95 Peruvian Skies
96 The Killing Hand
97 Only a Matter of Time
98 Afterlife
99 Paralyzed
100 False Awakening Suite
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Here is my full list.
1. Scarred
2. At Wit’s End
3. Voices
4. Learning to Live
5. Chosen
6. Finally Free
7. Surrounded
8. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
9. Stream of Consciousness
10. The Bigger Picture
11. Answering The Call
12. Blind Faith
13. Awaken The Master
14. Home
15. These Walls
16. Trial of Tears
17. Octavarium
18. Along For The Ride
19. In The Presence of Enemies
20. Misunderstood
21. Losing Faythe
22. Erotomania
23. Disappear
24. Barstool Warrior
25. Act of Faythe
26. Breaking All Illusions
27. The Count of Tuscany
28. Lifting Shadows off A Dream
29. A Change of Seasons
30. Lines In The Sand
31. The Glass Prison
32. Road To Revolution
33. The Great Debate
34. Through Her Eyes
35. The Shattered Fortress
36. Don’t Look Past Me
37. Begin Again
38. Speak To Me
39. Space Dye-Vest
40. Outcry
41. Endless Sacrifice
42. Only A Matter of Time
43. The Root of All Evil
44. The X Aspect
45. The Ministry of Lost Souls
46. A Nightmare to Remember
47. Bridges In The Sky
48. Fall Into The Light
49. This Is The Life
50. The Best of Times
51. A Better Life
52. Beneath The Surface
53. Strange Deja-Vu
54. The Gift of Music
55. Where Are You Now?
56. When Your Time Has Come
57. Take Away MY Pain (Demo)
58. Metropolis Pt.1
59. In The Name of God
60. Another Won
61. The Path That Divides
62. The Mirror
63. Raise The Knife (Score)
64. I Walk Beside You
65. Prophets of War
66. Light Fuse and Get Away
67. Behind The Veil
68. Three Days
69. Fatal Tragedy
70. A Tempting Offer
71. On The Backs of Angels
72. Moment of Betrayal
73. S2N
74. Surrender to Reason
75. Hell’s Kitchen
76. To Live Forever
77. Another Day
78. One Last Time
79. The Spirit Carries On
80. Eve
81. Panic Attack
82. Wait For Sleep
83. The Ones Who Helped To Set The Sun
84. A Life Left Behind
85. Innocence Faded
86. Ravenskill
87. Illumination Theory
88. Ytsejam
89. A Fortune In Lies
90. Caught In A Web
91. Afterlife
92. The Walking Shadow
93. Pale Blue Dot
94. The Silent Man
95. Hymn of A Thousand Voices
96. Whispers On The Wind
97. A New Beginning
98. Sacrificed Sons
99. Honor Thy Father
100. Status Seeker
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#3. A Change Of Seasons (#72) mad props and such, but it’s like ‘Close To The Edge’….I don’t listen to long songs that often
#2. Metropolis (#15) can't add much to past, present, and future comments (other than we also got a great concept album out of it as well :tup)
#1. Learning To Live (#16) ditto (other than the concept album part ;))
I’ll end up 75/100 with four oversights.
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ReaperKK I would suggest you open the curtain and announce Anna Lee was the forums #101.
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ReaperKK I would suggest you open the curtain and announce Anna Lee was the forums #101.
It's more like #115
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The songs that I *did* rate that did not make the DTF Top 100:
20 - Another Won
Yeah, what happened here DTF? I had this at 16. Great song made even better by the Score version.
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I for one am quite enraged that after all my Astonishing critiquing and bashing, I throw it a bone and put A Moment of Betrayal on my list, at number 69 of all numbers and the fucker couldn't even come to the party!! >:(
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I for one am quite enraged that after all my Astonishing critiquing and bashing, I throw it a bone and put A Moment of Betrayal on my list, at number 69 of all numbers and the fucker couldn't even come to the party!! >:(
Yeah.... and all the talking up you did of it made me slide it in just under the cut as well.
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I for one am quite enraged that after all my Astonishing critiquing and bashing, I throw it a bone and put A Moment of Betrayal on my list, at number 69 of all numbers and the fucker couldn't even come to the party!! >:(
Yeah.... and all the talking up you did of it made me slide it in just under the cut as well.
We must now somehow hate the album even more. It's the only right thing to do.
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Thanks to Kev and then Reaper for running this, and everyone who participated both with your lists and your activity in this thread. For me, my to three songs to not make the master list were the below. I thought Eve would've snuck in somewhere in the countdown.
40 Eve
57 Moment of Betrayal
66 Speak To Me
You only had THREE songs that didn't make the list? That's amazing!!! (In a good way.)
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Thanks to Kev and then Reaper for running this, and everyone who participated both with your lists and your activity in this thread. For me, my to three songs to not make the master list were the below. I thought Eve would've snuck in somewhere in the countdown.
40 Eve
57 Moment of Betrayal
66 Speak To Me
You only had THREE songs that didn't make the list? That's amazing!!! (In a good way.)
I think he meant to say 'top 3', instead of just 3.
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Thanks to Kev and then Reaper for running this, and everyone who participated both with your lists and your activity in this thread. For me, my to three songs to not make the master list were the below. I thought Eve would've snuck in somewhere in the countdown.
40 Eve
57 Moment of Betrayal
66 Speak To Me
You only had THREE songs that didn't make the list? That's amazing!!! (In a good way.)
I think he meant to say 'top 3', instead of just 3.
Correct, missed a letter when typing that up, those are just my top 3 of 17 total songs that I ranked but didn't make the list.
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157. The Dark Eternal Night
155. Hell's Kitchen
154. S2N
150. The Killing Hand
146. Disappear
145. Vacant
143. Honor Thy Father
142. Ytsejam
139. Panic Attack
138. Wither
135. Only A Matter Of Time
132. Barstool Warrior
127. Lines In The Sand
125. Stream Of Consciousness
124. Through Her Eyes
123. Never Enough
122. The Alien
121. Afterlife
120. A Fortune In Lies
118. In The Presence Of Enemies
117. Breaking All Illusions
109. Outcry
105. Sleeping Giant
104. Surrender To Reason
103. A Change Of Seasons
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100.Scarred
99. Begin Again Unranked
98. Another Day
97. Awaken The Master
96. Behind The Veil
95. The Great Debate
94. Moment Of Betrayal Unranked
93. When Your Time Has Come Unranked
92. The X Aspect Unranked
91. The Glass Prison
90. On The Backs Of Angels
89. Eve Unranked
88. Anna Lee Unranked
87. Finally Free
86. Don't Look Past Me Unranked
85. Constant Motion
84. Beneath The Surface
83. At Wit's End
82. Peruvian Skies
81. Space Dye Vest
80. The Enemy Inside
79. The Count Of Tuscany
78. Hollow Years
77. Fatal Tragedy
76. The Shattered Fortress
75. The Holiday Spirit Carries On Unranked
74. Out Of Reach Unranked
73. Lie
72. Where Are You Now Unranked
71. Repentance Unranked
70. Whispers On The Wind Unranked
69. The Mirror
68. A Nightmare To Remember
67. The Silent Man
66. The Root Of All Evil
65. The Spirit Carries On
64. Paralyzed Unranked
63. Heaven's Cove Unranked
62. As I Am
61. These Walls
60. Hymn Of A Thousand Voices Unranked
59. The Gift of Music
58. Illumination Theory
57. The Bigger Picture
56. One Last Time
55. Pale Blue Dot
54. Answering The Call
53. Trial Of Tears
52. Lost Not Forgotten
51. Fall Into The Light
50. False Awakening Suite Unranked
49. Speak To Me Unranked
48. Endless Sacrifice
47. Status Seeker Unranked
46. A New Beginning
45. A Life Left Behind Unranked
44. Forsaken
43. A View From The Top Of The World
42. A Rite Of Passage Unranked
41. The Looking Glass
40. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
39. The Answer Lies Within Unranked
38. The Dance Of Eternity
37. Beyond This Life
36. New Millenium
35. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
34. Wait For Sleep
33. Transcending Time
32. Blind Faith
31. The Best Of Times
30. Erotomania
29. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
28. Our New World
27. In The Name Of God
26. Bridges In The Sky
25. Raise The Knife
24. 6:00
23. I Walk Beside You
22. Take Away My Pain Unranked
21. Sacrificed Sons
20. Take The Time
19. Caught In A Web
18. The Way It Used To Be Unranked
17. Learning To Live Lock to make the list
16. Octavarium
15. Under A Glass Moon
14. To Live Forever
13. Home
12. Along For The Ride Unranked
11. Surrounded
10. Metropolis, Pt. 1 Lock to make the list
9. Innocence Faded
8. Pull Me Under
7. This Dying Soul
6. Misunderstood
5. This Is The Life
4. Overture 1928
3. Strange Deja Vu
2. Voices
1. Cover My Eyes Unranked
A LITTLE surprised that Learning To Live was number one; not because it's not a great song - it is - but because it's not always talked about as one of those "iconic" songs, like ACOS, or Metropolis. It's certainly worthy, though. Wonderful song. Love the ending of that; it's some of my favorite of JP's playing.
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Dang, I already miss checking out this thread every afternoon.
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Dang, I already miss checking out this thread every afternoon.
Yeah, DT better giving us updates from the studio regularly 'cause our main source of daily fun is now gone.
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Dang, I already miss checking out this thread every afternoon.
Yeah, DT better giving us updates from the studio regularly 'cause our main source of daily fun is now gone.
Maybe time to start another countdown? :lol
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And we have reached the end! First off big thanks for pg1067 for putting this idea out there, and Kev for getting the ball rolling. Also thanks to all of you submitting lists and being patient while I cobbled together speadsheets of Dream Theater lists. When I get back from vacation later next week I'll post the whole list with final point values for each song.
01. Learning To Live
Highest Finish: 1 (CharlesPL, Dittomist, Indiscipline, jammindude, JiM-Xtreme, Peter MC, Setlist Scotty, TAC, The Realm, Zydar)
Number of Lists appeared on: 66 (Adami, Animal, Awaken, axeman90210, Ben_Jamin, bosk1, CanuckChum, CharlesPL, Cool Chris, Dave_Manchester, devieira73, Dittomist, DragonAttack, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, energythief, Evermind, Fonzie, geeeemo, hefdaddy42, Indiscipline, Jamesman42, jammindude, jeff_kinsley, JiM-Xtreme, jingle.boy, jonny108, JPZealot, KevShmev, King Puppies and the Acid Guppies, Lethean, lightningbolt, lucasembarbosa, mariner, Metro, MirrorMask, Mladen, MoraWintersoul, Mosh, MustActFastToCoverUp, nobloodyname, NoFred, OpenYourEyes311, Peter Mc, pg1067, PixelDream, Podaar, porcacultor, ReaperKK, ReaPsTA, Revenge319, romdrums, Setlist Scotty, Stadler, SwedishGoose, TAC, The Realm, Toro, Trav86, twosuitsluke, Vmadera00, WardySI, weirdo, Wim Kruithof, wolfking, Zydar)
Not surprised with how this ended. Learning To Live is a fantastic song, with fantastic lyrics from JM. I don't listen to this song as much as I used to, largely due to how my tastes have changed but it always puts a smile on my face when I hear it.
What's there to say about LTL that hasn't already been said. Just a fantastic song and a worthy repeat winner
List Not Ranked
100 This Dying Soul (47T) Never Enough (100), The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91), New Millennium (87), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), The Best of Times (77), To Live Forever (75T)
99 I Walk Beside You (80) Answering the Call (75T), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Fall into the Light (72), Honor Thy Father (71), Raise the Knife (65), The Great Debate (53), Peruvian Skies (44T), Disappear (41), The Mirror (27)
98 Far from Heaven (NR)
97 This Is the Life (88)
96 Prophets of War (NR)
95 A Rite of Passage (NR)
94 The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun (NR)
93 Lines in the Sand (28)
92 The Ministry of Lost Souls (61)
91 Build Me Up; Break Me Down (NR)
90 False Awakening Suite (NR)
89 Under a Glass Moon (16)
88 Another Day (38)
87 Innocence Faded (42)
86 Lie (47T)
85 In the Presence of Enemies (22)
84 Forsaken (95)
83 Enigma Machine (NR)
82 Erotomania (40)
81 The Spirit Carries On (26)
80 A Life Left Behind (NR)
79 Vacant (97)
78 Wait for Sleep (44T)
77 The Silent Man (66)
76 Status Seeker (NR)
75 A Fortune in Lies (78)
74 Burning My Soul (NR)
73 A Nightmare to Remember (50)
72 You Not Me (NR)
71 These Walls (54)
70 Viper King (NR)
69 At Wit's End (37)
68 The Shattered Fortress (79)
67 The Dark Eternal Night (70)
66 Pale Blue Dot (62)
65 Transcending Time (90)
64 Untethered Angel (NR)
63 Space-Dye Vest (30)
62 Out of Reach (NR)
61 Beneath the Surface (64)
60 Hell's Kitchen (57)
59 Afterlife (96)
58 Light Fuse and Get Away (NR)
57 Surrender to Reason (83T)
56 The Answer Lies Within (NR)
55 The Alien (69)
54 The Root of All Evil (36)
53 The Bigger Picture (60)
52 Trial of Tears (6)
51 Pull Me Under (14)
50 Anna Lee (NR)
49 As I Am (43)
48 A View from the Top of the World (49)
47 Lifting Shadows off a Dream (35)
46 Behind the Veil (89)
45 The Glass Prison (15)
44 On the Backs of Angels (56)
43 Ytse Jam (67)
42 One Last Time (46)
41 Through Her Eyes (74)
40 The Dance of Eternity (33)
39 The Enemy Inside (83T)
38 Hollow Years (59)
37 Along for the Ride (NR)
36 Caught in a Web (51)
35 Barstool Warrior (52)
34 Endless Sacrifice (29)
33 Outcry (58)
32 6:00 (34)
31 The Looking Glass (92)
30 Bridges in the Sky (23)
29 Misunderstood (31)
28 S2N (94)
27 Wither (99)
26 Finally Free (19)
25 Overture 1928 (32)
24 Beyond This Life (24)
23 Take the Time (17)
22 Surrounded (20)
21 Strange Deja Vu (18)
20 Voices (7)
19 Sacrificed Sons (63)
18 Constant Motion (86) (high ranker)
17 Only a Matter of Time (82)
16 The Count of Tuscany (10)
15 The Killing Hand (68)
14 Panic Attack (55)
13 Illumination Theory (25)
12 Breaking All Illusions (8)
11 Stream of Consciousness (39)
10 Fatal Tragedy (13)
9 Blind Faith (21)
8 In the Name of God (11)
7 Scarred (12)
6 Home (5)
5 Octavarium (4)
4 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9)
3 Metropolis - Part I: "The Miracle and the Sleeper" (2)
2 Learning to Live (1)
1 A Change of Seasons (3) (high ranker)
Thanks for all the hard work on this, Reaper!!!
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Boy, last update! This was a fantastic ride, really grateful for ReaperKK for organizing this for us!
I had Learning to Live at #16. It's so funny, I didn't rank Wait for Sleep, but the reprise of that theme in the track is a good part of what makes it so high in my own list. Go figure! There's little for me to say that hasn't been said about such a killer track.
Here's my own odd little list, since it's kosher to post!
1 Caught In a Web
2 6:00
3 Blind Faith
4 Metropolis, Pt. 1: the Miracle and the Sleeper
5 Space-Dye Vest
6 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
7 These Walls
8 Ytse Jam
9 In the Name of God
10 Take Away My Pain
11 The Glass Prison
12 Hell's Kitchen
13 Pull Me Under
14 Erotomania
15 Hollow Years
16 Learning To Live
17 Status Seeker
18 The Great Debate
19 Never Enough
20 Lines In the Sand
21 Misunderstood
22 Fatal Tragedy
23 The Dark Eternal Night
24 Just Let Me Breathe
25 I Walk Beside You
26 New Millennium
27 Burning My Soul
28 Honor Thy Father
29 Strange Deja Vu
30 S2N
31 Innocence Faded
32 Beyond This Life
33 Octavarium
34 Disappear
35 One Last Time
36 Enigma Machine
37 Under a Glass Moon
38 A Change of Seasons
39 Take the Time
40 Overture 1928
41 Stream of Consciousness
42 Surrender To Reason
43 To Live Forever
44 Trial of Tears
45 Along For the Ride
46 As I Am
47 The Killing Hand
48 The Root of All Evil
49 The Looking Glass
50 Constant Motion
51 Home
52 You Not Me
53 The Dance of Eternity
54 Endless Sacrifice
55 Another Day
56 The Spirit Carries On
57 Three Days
58 This Dying Soul
59 Our New World
60 Only a Matter of Time
61 The Bigger Picture
62 The Walking Shadow
63 The X Aspect
64 Bridges In the Sky
65 The Count of Tuscany
66 The Answer Lies Within
67 A Fortune in Lies
68 The Mirror
69 Voices
70 Beneath the Surface
71 Repentance
72 In the Presence of Enemies
73 Illumination Theory
74 Raise The Knife
75 Sacrificed Sons
76 Surrounded
77 Behind the Veil
78 Scarred
79 Panic Attack
80 On the Backs of Angels
81 Breaking All Illusions
82 The Gift of Music
83 Prophets of War
84 Lie
85 Peruvian Skies
86 Moment of Betrayal
87 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
88 Transcending Time
89 Viper King
90 Out Of Reach
91 Room 137
92 Lost Not Forgotten
93 A New Beginning
94 The Shattered Fortress
95 The Ministry of Lost Souls
96 Afterlife
97 False Awakening Suite
98 A Nightmare To Remember
99 A View from the Top of the World
100 Through Her Eyes
18 unranked songs. If I had done this list after a recent re-listen of The Astonishing there would have definitely been more tracks that made the cut (especially Ravenskill, A Tempting Offer and The Path That Divides), but I'm fine with that. I'll bet I ranked Take Away My Pain, Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breathe and Status Seeker the highest :lol
The only albums that appear in their entirety in my list are SDOIT, Octavarium and Systematic Chaos, which definitely tracks (although the highest highs in the list are definitely Awake-heavy). Falling into Infinity would've made it in full (surprising for an album with so many tracks, comparatively), but sadly Anna Lee didn't make it for me.
My biggest surprises were Along for the Ride and Enigma Machine not ranking.
What a cool way to get reacquainted with a band's output.
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THE FINAL SCORE
1T. Awake (11 songs, 720 points): The Silent Man (66), Caught in a Web (51), Lie (47T), Innocence Faded (42), Erotomania (40), Lifting Shadows off a Dream (35), 6:00 (34), Space-Dye Vest (30), The Mirror (27), Scarred (12), Voices (7)
1T. Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory (10 songs, 720 points): Through Her Eyes (74), One Last Time (46), The Spirit Carries On (26), Beyond This Life (24), Finally Free (19), Strange Deja Vu (18), Fatal Tragedy (13)
3. Images and Words (8 songs, 656 points): Wait for Sleep (44), Another Day (38), Surrounded (20), Take the Time (17), Under a Glass Moon (16), Pull Me Under (14), Metropolis (2), Learning to Live (1)
4. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (6 songs, 436 points): The Great Debate (53), Disappear (41), Misunderstood (31), Blind Faith (21), The Glass Prison (15), Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (9)
5. Train of Thought (7 songs, 370 points): Vacant (97), Honor Thy Father (71), This Dying Soul (47T), As I Am (43), Stream of Consciousness (39), Endless Sacrifice (29), In the Name of God (11)
6. A Dramatic Turn of Events (7 songs, 337 points): This Is the Life (88), Lost Not Forgotten (73), Beneath the Surface (64), Outcry (58), On the Backs of Angels (56), Bridges in the Sky (23), Breaking All Illusions (8)
7. Falling into Infinity (6 songs, 325 points): New Millennium (87), Hollow Years (59), Hell’s Kitchen (57), Peruvian Skies (44T), Lines in the Sand 28, Trial of Tears (6)
8. Octavarium (7 songs, 315 points): Never Enough (100), I Walk Beside You (80), Sacrificed Sons (63), Panic Attack (55), These Walls (54), The Root of All Evil (36), Octavarium (4)
9. Black Clouds & Silver Linings (5 songs, 190 points): Wither (99), The Shattered Fortress (79), The Best of Times (77), A Nightmare to Remember (50), The Count of Tuscany (10)
10. Distance over Time (5 songs, 188 points): S2N (94), Fall into the Light (72), Pale Blue Dot (62), Barstool Warrior (52), At Wit’s End (37)
11. Dream Theater (6 songs, 174 points): The Looking Glass (92), Behind the Veil (89), The Enemy Inside (83T), Surrender to Reason (83T), The Bigger Picture (60), Illumination Theory (25)
12. Systematic Chaos (5 songs, 171 points): Forsaken (95), Constant Motion (86), The Dark Eternal Night (70), The Ministry of Lost Souls (61), In the Presence of Enemies (22)
13. Other (3 songs, 159 points): To Live Forever (76), Raise the Knife (65), A Change of Seasons (3)
14. A View from the Top of the World (6 songs, 157 points): Transcending Time (90), Sleeping Giant (85), Awaken the Master (81), Answering the Call (75), The Alien (69), A View from the Top of the World (49)
15. When Dream and Day Unite (5 songs, 114 points): Afterlife (96), Only a Matter of Time (82), A Fortune in Lies (78), The Killing Hand (68), Ytse Jam (67)
16. The Astonishing (3 songs, 21 points): The Gift of Music (98), Our New World (93), A New Beginning (91)
Notables:
- The top four albums are unchanged from the prior countdown (the only change is that Awake and SFAM tied, whereas Awake won the last one outright).
- No surprise that Awake and SFAM finished in the top two spots because they have more songs than any album other than the not-as-well-regarded FII.
- In the prior countdown, ADTOE, 8VM, FII and TOT took spots 5-8 (in that order). TOT fared much better this time.
- As I pointed out previously, TA had a huge fall. TEN TA songs made the last countdown, with A New Beginning doing best at #68. Seven of those songs fell completely off the board this time, and none of the three that survived placed in the top 90.
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SONG RANKINGS COMPARED TO THE PRIOR COUNTDOWN:
100. Never Enough – 99 (-1)
99. Wither – NR
98. The Gift of Music – 83 (-15)
97. Vacant – 89 (-8)
96. Afterlife – 96 (+0)
95. Forsaken – 95 (+0)
94. S2N – 70 (-24)
93. Our New World – 97 (+4)
92. The Looking Glass – 92 (+0)
91. A New Beginning – 68 (23)
90. Transcending Time
89. Behind the Veil – 64 (-25)
88. This Is the Life – 74 (-14)
87. New Millennium – 90 (+3)
86. Constant Motion – 82 (-4)
85. Sleeping Giant
83T. The Enemy Inside – 56 (-27)
83T. Surrender to Reason – 58 (-25)
82. Only a Matter of Time – 75 (-7)
81. Awaken the Master
80. I Walk Beside You – 93 (+13)
79. The Shattered Fortress – 62 (-17)
78. A Fortune in Lies – 76 (-2)
77. The Best of Times – 77 (+0)
76. To Live Forever – 91 (+15)
75. Answering the Call
74. Through Her Eyes – 94 (+20)
73. Lost Not Forgotten – 59T (-14)
72. Fall into the Light – 43 (-29)
71. Honor Thy Father – 81 (+10)
70. The Dark Eternal Night – 78 (+8)
69. The Alien
68. The Killing Hand – 48 (-20)
67. Ytse Jam – 79 (+12)
66. The Silent Man – 80 (+14)
65. Raise the Knife – 72 (+7)
64. Beneath the Surface – 67 (+3)
63. Sacrificed Sons – 53 (-10)
62. Pale Blue Dot – 49 (-13)
61. The Ministry of Lost Souls – 66 (+5)
60. The Bigger Picture – 35T (-25)
59. Hollow Years – 69 (+10)
58. Outcry – 37 (-21)
57. Hell’s Kitchen – 42 (-15)
56. On the Backs of Angels – 73 (+17)
55. Panic Attack - 45 (-10)
54. These Walls - 41 (-13)
53. The Great Debate - 46 (-7)
52. Barstool Warrior - 39 (-13)
51. Caught in a Web - 63 (+12)
50. A Nightmare to Remember - 55 (+5)
49. A View from the Top of the World
47T. Lie – 59T (+12)
47T. This Dying Soul - 51 (+4)
46. One Last Time - 65 (+19)
44T. Peruvian Skies - 61 (+17)
44T. Wait for Sleep - 32 (-12)
43. As I Am - 71 (+28)
42. Innocence Faded - 57 (+15)
41. Disappear - 31 (-10)
40. Erotomania - 52 (+12)
39. Stream of Consciousness - 50 (+11)
38. Another Day - 44 (+6)
37. At Wit’s End - 20 (-17)
36. The Root of All Evil - 34 (-2)
35. Lifting Shadows off a Dream – 35T (+0)
34. 6:00 – 54 (+20)
33. The Dance of Eternity – 47 (+14)
32. Overture 1928 – 38 (+6)
31. Misunderstood – 33 (+2)
30. Space-Dye Vest – 21 (+9)
29. Endless Sacrifice – 40 (+11)
28. Lines in the Sand – 17 (+11)
27. The Mirror – 19 (-8)
26. The Spirit Carries On – 28 (+2)
25. Illumination Theory – 23 (-2)
24. Beyond This Life – 30 (+6)
23. Bridges in the Sky – 16 (-7)
22. In the Presence of Enemies – 25 (+3)
21. Blind Faith – 22 (+1)
20. Surrounded – 15 (-5)
19. Finally Free – 10 (-9)
18. Strange Deja Vu – 24 (+6)
17. Take the Time – 26 (+9)
16. Under a Glass Moon – 29 (+13)
15. The Glass Prison – 13 (-2)
14. Pull Me Under – 27 (+13)
13. Fatal Tragedy – 18 (+5)
12. Scarred – 9 (-3)
11. In the Name of God – 11 (+0)
10. The Count of Tuscany – 14 (+4)
9. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence – 12 (+2)
8. Breaking All Illusions – 6 (-2)
7. Voices – 5 (-2)
6. Trial of Tears – 7 (+1)
5. Home – 8 (-3)
4. Octavarium – 3 (-1)
3. A Change of Seasons – 2 (-1)
2. Metropolis – 4 (+2)
1. Learning to Live – 1 (+0)
NOTABLES:
- The biggest jump was As I Am (from 71 to 43).
- The biggest drop was Fall into the Light (43 to 72).
- 3 songs jumped at least 20 places: Through Her Eyes (from 94 to 74), As I Am (from 71 to 43), and 6:00 (from 54 to 34).
- 8 songs fell at least 20 places: S2N (from 70 to 94), Behind the Veil (from 64 to 89), The Enemy Inside (from 56 to 83T), Surrender to Reason (from 58 to 83T), Fall into the Light (from 43 to 72), The Killing Hand (from 48 to 68), The Bigger Picture (from 35T to 60), and Outcry (from 37 to 58).
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THE TOP 10 LAST TIME COMPARED TO THIS TIME
Last Time This Time
1. Learning to Live 1. Learning to Live
2. A Change of Seasons 2. Metropolis Part 1
3. Octavarium 3. A Change of Seasons
4. Metropolis Part 1 4. Octavarium
5. Voices 5. Home
6. Breaking All Illusions 6. Trial of Tears
7. Trial of Tears 7. Voices
8. Home 8. Breaking All Illusions
9. Scarred 9. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
10. Finally Free 10. The Count of Tuscany
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ALBUM RANKINGS ON A POINTS PER SONG BASIS
1. I&W (82.00)
2. SDOIT (72.67)
3. SFAM (72.00)
4. Awake (65.45)
5. FII (54.17)
6. Other (53.00)
7. TOT (52.86)
8. ADTOE (48.14)
9. 8VM (45.00)
10. BC&SL (38.00)
11. DOT (37.60)
12. SC (34.20)
13. DT12 (29.00)
14. View (26.17)
15. WDADU (22.80)
16. TA (7.00)
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Reap, nice job buddy and THANK YOU SO MUCH for running this!
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And thanks also to PG for these stats!
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A bit late to the Top 2 party. I feel about these two a bit similar Stadler feels about ACOS, but to lesser extent. I still rate both songs very high, they are just not in my DT pantheon.
Metropolis - 40 It's a DT signature song for a reason and I understand why people get blown away by it. I just don't much care for Moore's key sounds in many parts of IaW. And Metropolis is a song that suffers the most, to my ears. A bit like, say, Bach's Chaconne played on 70 bucks violin, the composition is genius, but I can't fully enjoy it as I do not like the sonics. I used to dislike the vocal melody but I have come around on it. It's great, even without a chorus. Kudos to Charlie for writing that.
Learning to Live - 26 I made a point of listening to this song more to see why it was a clear winner in the first countdown - and I fully expected it to win again. I hear it, the way this songs flows is somehow perfect, almost magical. But there is this part between appx. 0:52 - 1:10, which always reminds me of some old PC game music played on bad Sound Blaster card (I wonder if it's just me). I know, it's stupid to let such a short part spoil your song experience, but it does – a little. After that part is over, I always need to make a conscious effort to get back into the song. And I usually do. The rest of the song is glorious.
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Dang, I already miss checking out this thread every afternoon.
Yeah, DT better giving us updates from the studio regularly 'cause our main source of daily fun is now gone.
Maybe time to start another countdown? :lol
Sure. How about bottom 25 Dream Theater songs? What's more fun than that? ;D
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My point totals. Looks about right. "Non-album" really needs to broken in to 2 categories: a) A Change of Seasons and b) Everything else.
Awake 771
A Dramatic Turn of Events 588
Images and Words 548
Scenes From a Memory 474
Octavarium 348
Train of Thought 347
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 331
A View From the Top of the World 305
The Astonishing 287
Distance Over Time 265
Systematic Chaos 230
Dream Theater 177
Falling Into Infinity 133
Non-Album 118
Black Clouds and Silver Linings 77
When Dream and Day Unite 51
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Dang, I already miss checking out this thread every afternoon.
Yeah, DT better giving us updates from the studio regularly 'cause our main source of daily fun is now gone.
Maybe time to start another countdown? :lol
Sure. How about bottom 25 Dream Theater songs? What's more fun than that? ;D
We're always looking for fresh blood in the roulettes over on the General Music side of the forum. :corn
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I've never gotten into the whole roulette thing, it doesn't seem to be anything for me at all.
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Maybe time to start another countdown? :lol
Sure. How about bottom 25 Dream Theater songs? What's more fun than that? ;D
We're always looking for fresh blood in the roulettes over on the General Music side of the forum. :corn
I appreciate the invitation and will definitely consider it. :tup
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I've never gotten into the whole roulette thing, it doesn't seem to be anything for me at all.
It's fun, but it can be stressful. TAC can be unforgiving :lol
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And thanks also to PG for these stats!
Indeed! Thanks pg1067 for all your stats thrown at us. Really liked it.
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I immensely enjoyed all the new music from my back-to-back roulettes, though there were times I wanted to just chill and not write things (though once I got started it was fun).
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I've never gotten into the whole roulette thing, it doesn't seem to be anything for me at all.
It's fun, but it can be stressful. TAC can be unforgiving :lol
You've taken some lumps indeed. :lol
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I immensely enjoyed all the new music from my back-to-back roulettes, though there were times I wanted to just chill and not write things (though once I got started it was fun).
Me. I loved the music, then I was all "wait, I have to do something?!?!"
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For the most part I was very happy with the results of this countdown! Great job everyone! I was originally going to make a 10 Things That Disappointed Me list, but after comparing my 100 choices to the final countdown, I could only come up with 5 legitimate miscarriages of justices worth pointing out.
1. ANNA LEE IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND!!!
I did not see this coming. I was extremely confident this beautiful song was going to get the respect it deserves until we had only 25 spots left and then I started to worry. I've always loved it and had it at #21.
2. ASTONISHING STUCK IN THE '90s
It was disappointing that the highest ranked Astonishing song was at #91, but not a surprise because I understand that the Astonishing songs are polarizing and also difficult to rank. However, I feel that songs like Ravenskill (which I had at #39) and Losing Faythe (43) did enough to stand out from the crowded pack, and so I was hoping they would appear as well. A New Beginning should have at least made the top 50--that song is incredible.
3. HOME IN THE TOP FIVE
I like Home a lot but top 5 Dream Theater songs?! #54 would have been a more suitable placement.
4. FALL INTO THE LIGHT FELL SO FAR
This is one of my favorite songs from the Mangini-era and I was shocked that it didn't do better. It was #20 for me.
5. ANOTHER D/T GRIEVENCE
The mediocre Barstool Warrior gets #51 and the spectacular Out of Reach doesn't even make the Top 100?! Call it bad luck, call it fate, call it DTF members drinking too much, or not drinking enough, while using the ranker ;)
Thank you very much, ReaperKK, for running this countdown and for doing such a tremendous job. It was exciting to see the results every morning!
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For the most part I was very happy with the results of this countdown! Great job everyone! I was originally going to make a 10 Things That Disappointed Me list, but after comparing my 100 choices to the final countdown, I could only come up with 5 legitimate miscarriages of justices worth pointing out.
1. ANNA LEE IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND!!!
I did not see this coming. I was extremely confident this beautiful song was going to get the respect it deserves until we had only 25 spots left and then I started to worry. I've always loved it and had it at #21.
Agreed.
2. ASTONISHING STUCK IN THE '90s
It was disappointing that the highest ranked Astonishing song was at #91, but not a surprise because I understand that the Astonishing songs are polarizing and also difficult to rank. However, I feel that songs like Ravenskill (which I had at #39) and Losing Faythe (43) did enough to stand out from the crowded pack, and so I was hoping they would appear as well. A New Beginning should have at least made the top 50--that song is incredible.
These were really hard for me; so many moments of "WOW that is a GREAT melody!" but is it a good SONG? That's where I struggled.
4. FALL INTO THE LIGHT FELL SO FAR
This is my favorite song from the Mangini-era and I was shocked that it didn't do better. It was #20 for me.
I used often say that was my second or third favorite of the Mangini era, but upon doing my relisten, it just didn't carry the mustard. I don't know why it is, but it didn't resonate as much as songs like Beneath The Surface, or Bridges In The Sky.
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For the most part I was very happy with the results of this countdown! Great job everyone! I was originally going to make a 10 Things That Disappointed Me list, but after comparing my 100 choices to the final countdown, I could only come up with 5 legitimate miscarriages of justices worth pointing out.
1. ANNA LEE IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND!!!
I did not see this coming. I was extremely confident this beautiful song was going to get the respect it deserves until we had only 25 spots left and then I started to worry. I've always loved it and had it at #21.
Agreed.
Besides my top 2 songs from DT, Anna Lee is the only other song I know where it would land on the ranking, and that would be last on the list.
This song does absolutely nothing for me, and it is the only DT song I actually dislike. Even the demos, and songs that didn't make an album I can tolerate and enjoy some of it. Anna Lee on the other hand...
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Anna Lee is not really my preferred flavor from DT but it's alright until James starts screaming random vowels during the bridge.
Take Away my Pain (especially the Once in a Livetime version) I always thought was much better. Another Won, A Life Left Behind, and Ravenskill are my picks for most egregious omissions.
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TAMP got ruined for me when someone said it sounded like a Disney song.
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TAMP got ruined for me when someone said it sounded like a Disney song.
It's those Lion King drums
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1. ANNA LEE IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND!!!
I did not see this coming. I was extremely confident this beautiful song was going to get the respect it deserves until we had only 25 spots left and then I started to worry. I've always loved it and had it at #21.
Agreed.
Make it three of us.
2. ASTONISHING STUCK IN THE '90s
It was disappointing that the highest ranked Astonishing song was at #91, but not a surprise because I understand that the Astonishing songs are polarizing and also difficult to rank. However, I feel that songs like Ravenskill (which I had at #39) and Losing Faythe (43) did enough to stand out from the crowded pack, and so I was hoping they would appear as well. A New Beginning should have at least made the top 50--that song is incredible.
These were really hard for me; so many moments of "WOW that is a GREAT melody!" but is it a good SONG? That's where I struggled.
This one is spot-on to my Astonishing-feel. I love the album from The Decent of the Nomacs till the Power Down & Astonishing... but ranking them as invidivuals is truly difficult. Ravenskill at #75 was my highest, but also only because of LaBrie's vocals on "Hopeful and innocent, sensing no danger... he sees humanity behind the strangers eyes."
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The run from the beginning of the album until Three Days is basically perfect. Act of Faythe being the weakest link. But otherwise, it's a wild journey.
Not that the rest isn't worthwhile, for example I absolutely agree that Ravenskill is fantastic, but Disc 1 is better than Disc 2, and the first half of Disc 1 is better than the second half.
It's like a movie that starts strong but then meanders on a bit. But all in all I've always appreciated the album, especially my own personal cut where I trimmed some of the "fat". Been ages since I went back to it however, I should do it one day....
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TAMP got ruined for me when someone said it sounded like a Disney song.
That's a weird reason to dislike anything.
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TAMP got ruined for me when someone said it sounded like a Disney song.
Nothing can ruin that song for me, save from a horrible cover version.
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TAMP got ruined for me when someone said it sounded like a Disney song.
Whatever your favorite song is, you heard it here first that it sounds like a Disney song.
Honestly if I wrote something that someone said sounded like a Disney song, I'd be over the moon and try to make millions off of it.
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How on earth does Take Away My Pain sound like a Disney song?
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How on earth does Take Away My Pain sound like a Disney song?
It doesn't.
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How on earth does Take Away My Pain sound like a Disney song?
It doesn't.
It doesn’t sound like a Disney song, but it does share a similar vibe as Genesis’s Follow You, Follow Me, which maybe in some people’s minds leads them to think of Phil Collins and Tarzan (though that came after FII).
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I'm trying to picture that song being sung by Ariel in The Little Mermaid. It just doesn't work :lol
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It’s got kind of an African or maybe Caribbean rhythm to it, and I’m sure some people’s exposure to that sort of thing is largely through Disney, so I get the connection. But I love the direction Shirley took that song. Also recalls something like Peter Gabriel’s In Your Eyes for me.
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I'm listening to The Astonishing in full for the first time in a while. God I love this album.
Only had 23 songs in the top 100.... should be more
For those coming to DT mainlybfrom the metal side I can undertand notloving this.
But for any prog leaning fan with an open mind there is soo much to lovr. Oh well, your loss!
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It’s got kind of an African or maybe Caribbean rhythm to it
It does?
I mean, not to my ears.
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It may be also due to the preponderance of major chords leading to a kind of "happy = Disney" superficial interpretation.
Personally, I consider said preponderance of major chords a stroke of songwriting genius, considering the lyrical subject matter.
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It’s got kind of an African or maybe Caribbean rhythm to it
It does?
I mean, not to my ears.
Even MP said that it does (he complained about it!).
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It’s got kind of an African or maybe Caribbean rhythm to it
It does?
I mean, not to my ears.
Even MP said that it does (he complained about it!).
Yep. Taken from the FII demos liner notes:
I’ve made no secrets about my absolute dislike of the Kevin Shirley re-arrangement that ended up on FII (I think my quote was that it took some of the most heart-wrenching lyrics written and placed them in the middle of a Disneyland ride in the Caribbean!). The live version on Once In A LIVEtime was a bit of a musical cross between the two.
Also HOF called it regarding the Peter Gabriel vibe, which I know MP commented elsewhere was a direction they were going in with the rearranging of the song.
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It’s got kind of an African or maybe Caribbean rhythm to it
It does?
I mean, not to my ears.
Even MP said that it does (he complained about it!).
Yep. Taken from the FII demos liner notes:
I’ve made no secrets about my absolute dislike of the Kevin Shirley re-arrangement that ended up on FII (I think my quote was that it took some of the most heart-wrenching lyrics written and placed them in the middle of a Disneyland ride in the Caribbean!). The live version on Once In A LIVEtime was a bit of a musical cross between the two.
Also HOF called it regarding the Peter Gabriel vibe, which I know MP commented elsewhere was a direction they were going in with the rearranging of the song.
What's funny is I remember MP commenting on the Phil Collins Tarzan soundtrack a few years later, and mentioning how both he and his kids shared a mutual love for Collins because of it.
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It’s got kind of an African or maybe Caribbean rhythm to it
It does?
I mean, not to my ears.
Even MP said that it does (he complained about it!).
Yep. Taken from the FII demos liner notes:
I’ve made no secrets about my absolute dislike of the Kevin Shirley re-arrangement that ended up on FII (I think my quote was that it took some of the most heart-wrenching lyrics written and placed them in the middle of a Disneyland ride in the Caribbean!). The live version on Once In A LIVEtime was a bit of a musical cross between the two.
Also HOF called it regarding the Peter Gabriel vibe, which I know MP commented elsewhere was a direction they were going in with the rearranging of the song.
I mean, opinions and all, but MP thinking it sounds like that doesn't mean anything to me. It still doesn't sound like that to me.
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It may be also due to the preponderance of major chords leading to a kind of "happy = Disney" superficial interpretation.
Personally, I consider said preponderance of major chords a stroke of songwriting genius, considering the lyrical subject matter.
Agreed. With all due respect to MP (and I do appreciate the raw emotion of the demo too), I think the final product was a more subtle way of dealing with the subject matter that actually makes it a bit more effective. It's more emotionally complex I think than the demo. Particularly when the tone changes/darkens during the guitar solo. It ebbs and flows rather than being all one thing.
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It’s got kind of an African or maybe Caribbean rhythm to it
More than just the rhythm...the whole vibe of the first 50 seconds is very Afro-Caribbean.
I'm trying to picture that song being sung by Ariel in The Little Mermaid. It just doesn't work :lol
Agree, but I can very much imagine Sebastian (the crab) singing it. The verses have a very "Under the Sea" vibe (IMO). That's the biggest difference between the demo and the album versions.
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TAMP got ruined for me when someone said it sounded like a Disney song.
That's a weird reason to dislike anything.
I was being hyperbolic but I didn't convey that. I think it's an okay song but when I read that comment over a decade ago, it changed how I thought about it. Especially the verses, it's just very upbeat and rhythmic that feels like a character in a kids movie might sing (from the 90s era at least).
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I was a little curious to see some statistics of the most performed DT songs ever, I got this from setlist.fm (don't know the accuracy of it though):
https://www.setlist.fm/stats/dream-theater-bd6a102.html (https://www.setlist.fm/stats/dream-theater-bd6a102.html)
I was surprised to see 'Lie' in the Top 10, I didn't know it's been played THAT much? And I&W is very over-represented apparently :lol
I've seen them in concert twice (2009 and 2014) and haven't got one single song from that album. What are the odds?
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Looking at those statistics, I'm more interested in the least played songs. Repentance was performed once, Disappear twice, You not me three times. That's kind of cool.
Also, The Answer lies within was only performed seven times. For whatever reason, I thought that song was played on the entire Octavarium tour. :o
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And I&W is very over-represented apparently :lol
It's a classic album filled with fan favorites AND it is just their second. This combination is bound to generate overplaying stats. By the time another fan favorite, SFAM, rolled out, there have been already several records and consequent tours where I&W songs were played, gaining advantage over anything else.
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Is also fair to keep in mind that they did an entire tour playing the album, which pushed the count number for every song up.
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It’s got kind of an African or maybe Caribbean rhythm to it
It does?
I mean, not to my ears.
Even MP said that it does (he complained about it!).
Yep. Taken from the FII demos liner notes:
I’ve made no secrets about my absolute dislike of the Kevin Shirley re-arrangement that ended up on FII (I think my quote was that it took some of the most heart-wrenching lyrics written and placed them in the middle of a Disneyland ride in the Caribbean!). The live version on Once In A LIVEtime was a bit of a musical cross between the two.
Also HOF called it regarding the Peter Gabriel vibe, which I know MP commented elsewhere was a direction they were going in with the rearranging of the song.
I mean, opinions and all, but MP thinking it sounds like that doesn't mean anything to me. It still doesn't sound like that to me.
I think this is going to be a controversial opinion, but this wouldn't be the first time that a fanbase adopted a band members opinion because "reasons". I maintain to this day that "Tai Shan" is slagged by the Rush fanbase because Geddy slagged it, not because it's actually a bad song. I think some of the opinions of Space Dye Vest are rooted in the fact that it was - to a degree - marginalized. I think several of the opinions surrounding Falling Into Infinity (and certain songs on that record, you know who you are) are shaped by reactions to the band regarding third party inputs, or outright contributions.
I can sort of see the "Disney-nature" of some songs, including "Take Away My Pain" (especially the "I'm not frightened anymore!" part), but that doesn't make it a bad thing and certainly doesn't impact my enjoyment of the song (a song that means a lot to me at this point in my life).
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I was a little curious to see some statistics of the most performed DT songs ever, I got this from setlist.fm (don't know the accuracy of it though):
https://www.setlist.fm/stats/dream-theater-bd6a102.html (https://www.setlist.fm/stats/dream-theater-bd6a102.html)
I was surprised to see 'Lie' in the Top 10, I didn't know it's been played THAT much? And I&W is very over-represented apparently :lol
I've seen them in concert twice (2009 and 2014) and haven't got one single song from that album. What are the odds?
Those stats are pretty much on the ball. The vast majority of them were copied from MP's tourography which I used to maintain. And since that time, DT's setlists have been completely static for most tours, so I think it's safe to trust them, aside from the numbers maybe being off in the single digits.
As for IaW being "over-represented" MirrorMask and Lonk nailed it. As for why you personally haven't seen any of those songs live, that's down to the tours and specific shows you attended. The 2009 tour was the first time that MP didn't include a single IaW track in some setlists. I still remember him e-mailing me about it and asking if I noticed anything suspect (I think it was regarding the 2009 show in Washington DC), and he pointed out that it was the first time an IaW song wasn't in the setlist since they started playing those songs.Funny thing is he didn't specifically plan it that way - it just happened as he was creating the setlist and he only noticed it after the fact. As for the 2014 tour, because of the focus on the s/t album, the 20th anniversary of Awake and the 15th anniversary of SFaM, there wasn't much space for songs from other albums, so aside from PMU making a few appearances at festivals, IaW (and 5 other albums) were not represented on that tour.
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I was a little curious to see some statistics of the most performed DT songs ever, I got this from setlist.fm (don't know the accuracy of it though):
https://www.setlist.fm/stats/dream-theater-bd6a102.html (https://www.setlist.fm/stats/dream-theater-bd6a102.html)
I was surprised to see 'Lie' in the Top 10, I didn't know it's been played THAT much? And I&W is very over-represented apparently :lol
I've seen them in concert twice (2009 and 2014) and haven't got one single song from that album. What are the odds?
Regarding the I&W songs, keep in mind that the entire album was played at almost every show for nearly 300 shows in 1992 and 1993 and 2017. Those three years account for more than half of the plays of most of those songs (PMU being the obvious, biggest exception).
Not sure about Lie, except that it was part of the mini-set of Awake songs that got played for the 20th anniversary in 2014.
As for the odds of not seeing any I&W songs at two shows, to quote Beverly Hofstadter, "Is that a rhetorical point or would you like to do the math?"
Looking at those statistics, I'm more interested in the least played songs. Repentance was performed once, Disappear twice, You not me three times. That's kind of cool.
I wouldn't mind seeing YNM, but I hope the other two remain where they are.
I think this is going to be a controversial opinion, but this wouldn't be the first time that a fanbase adopted a band members opinion because "reasons". I maintain to this day that "Tai Shan" is slagged by the Rush fanbase because Geddy slagged it, not because it's actually a bad song. I think some of the opinions of Space Dye Vest are rooted in the fact that it was - to a degree - marginalized. I think several of the opinions surrounding Falling Into Infinity (and certain songs on that record, you know who you are) are shaped by reactions to the band regarding third party inputs, or outright contributions.
Tai Shan was slagged LONG before Geddy ever made his "error" comment (which I believe was in a 2009 interview). I definitely agree that MP's comments about SDV and FII (particularly the latter) have colored fans' opinions - both for the negative and in terms of positively influencing some fans' opinions about the FII reject songs. That said, as the recent countdown showed, SDV is well-liked (at least in this forum).
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When it comes to live shows, I would say Scenes From a Memory is a little over-represented (especially The Spirit Carries On). I've seen them five times, had my fair share, but also on official live releases.
- Live Scenes From New York (full conceptalbum)
- Budokan (Beyond This Life)
- Score (The Spirit Carries On)
- Greatest Hit (Home, Through Her Eyes, The Spirit Carries On)
- Luna Park (The Spirit Carries On)
- Breaking the Fourth Wall (Overture1928 / Strange Déjà Vu / The Dance of Eternity / Finally Free)
- Distant Memories (full conceptalbum)
And Finally Free is innertwined in the Instrumedley on Chaos In Motion, so literally any live release since Scenes From a Memory was brought out, had at least one song.
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We spent way too much time in a Top 100 DT songs thread talking about Take Away My Pain. I disliked this song when I first heard it in 1997, and I still dislike it today. It didn't take any comments from MP for me to dislike it. And I have no idea what a "Disney song" sounds like, and I have two young girls and a Disney+ subscription.
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We spent way too much time in a Top 100 DT songs thread talking about Take Away My Pain. I disliked this song when I first heard it in 1997, and I still dislike it today. It didn't take any comments from MP for me to dislike it. And I have no idea what a "Disney song" sounds like, and I have two young girls and a Disney+ subscription.
Would have been in my top 10 if I had done a list.