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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: DragonAttack on July 30, 2023, 07:10:38 AM
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the '22 thread
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57678.175
A very well written satirical look at the future of college football (with some well deserved snarks thrown in).
https://www.joplinglobe.com/sports/national_sports/paul-newberry-a-bold-prognostication-of-what-college-football-will-look-like-a-decade-from/article_ffa13914-3df8-57dc-b148-cd4ce08e0d02.html
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Colorado announces they're following USC and UCLA to the Big 12...really starting to wonder if the Pac 9 will endure for long at this rate.
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I thought USC and UCLA are going to the Big10, and Colorado is going back to the Big12 from whence they came.
I hear the PAC12 is trying to get SMU to join up. I think Fresno State is also a shoe in for the conference.
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I thought USC and UCLA are going to the Big10, and Colorado is going back to the Big12 from whence they came.
This is correct.
From what I hear, Oregon and Washington REALLY want to go to the Big 10, but the Big 10 prefers to stand pat for now.
The Pac 12 is in real trouble.
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I thought USC and UCLA are going to the Big10, and Colorado is going back to the Big12 from whence they came.
This is correct.
From what I hear, Oregon and Washington REALLY want to go to the Big 10, but the Big 10 prefers to stand pat for now.
The Pac 12 is in real trouble.
Hopefully they can whittle it down to just Cal, it might be our one chance to go to the Rose Bowl.
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:lol
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Badgers Badgers Badgers.
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Cautiously optimistic Husker fan. Matt Ruhle appears to be doing all of the right things after Scott Frost set the program back another decade with his incompetence. Will be happy with a bowl game this year though I really hope they destroy Colorado.
Speaking of conference realignment, I heard a nother rumor about Clemson and FSU leaving the ACC for the Big10. I can't imagine the Big 10 saying no to them and Oregon.
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I have seen TONS of rumors. I made the mistake of doing a "Colorado football" search on Youtube after I heard the news about them returning to the Big 12, and I found out that there are literally hundreds of Youtubers who are allegedly "insider journalists" and they are all peddling contradicting rumors and remember, "you heard it here first!"
So I don't believe anything unless it comes from a legit journalist.
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I listen to a lot of local sports talk radio - stations that carry UW/Pac12 sports - while at work and it's crazy how fast reports and perspectives change on nearly an hourly basis.
Just heard someone say we are headed for a two conference system, similar to the NFL. A FOX conference, and an ESPN conference.
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Seems the Pac 12 is imploding now...
Oregon and Washington to the Big 10, Arizona to the Big 12...also Colorado, USC, and UCLA gone.
The remaining Pac 6.... Cal, Stanfurd, ASU, WSU, OSU, and Utah....
Feel free to check my math, just going by a text message from my dad at the moment.
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Arizona to the Big 12 is not a done deal yet, but could be today or this weekend.
Oregon and Washington are apparently going to have their formal applications to join the Big 10 in this afternoon, after which there will be a vote among the Big 10 schools tonight.
It was thought that if Arizona goes to the Big 12, that Arizona State and Utah would follow.
Which would leave Cal, Stanford, Wazzoo, and Oregon State.
Speculation I have seen is in that instance, WSU and OSU would most likely apply to join the Mountain West, and Cal and Stanford would go independent. *shrugs*
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Arizona to the Big 12 is not a done deal yet, but could be today or this weekend.
Oregon and Washington are apparently going to have their formal applications to join the Big 10 in this afternoon, after which there will be a vote among the Big 10 schools tonight.
It was thought that if Arizona goes to the Big 12, that Arizona State and Utah would follow.
Which would leave Cal, Stanford, Wazzoo, and Oregon State.
Speculation I have seen is in that instance, WSU and OSU would most likely apply to join the Mountain West, and Cal and Stanford would go independent. *shrugs*
Stanfurd could do the independent thing, not sure Cal could finance it, they don't have the support base that Stanfurd does. I was talking with my dad about it, and it's kind of a come to Jesus moment for Cal fans that we just need to accept that we aren't major conference caliber, and if we want to be a part of the conversation instead of a footnote, maybe being in a mid major will be a better thing for us.
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I listen to a lot of local sports talk radio - stations that carry UW/Pac12 sports...
So the 10a-1p guys both went to WSU, and one of them said that this was the worst sports day of his life, worse than when the Sonics left - which is still a sore subject for many here. Contrast that with the 3p guy who went to UW, who sounded like he just won the lottery.
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I find the PAC-12 death to be completely depressing. 108 years of tradition, the Apple Cup, the Civil War, The Big Game, the historic players and teams. Even though Utah (my school) was a recent entry into the conference, it made us fans proud to be part of all that. The prestige actually boosted Utah's academics alongside our sports programs. And the conference has no one to blame but themselves for hiring athletic outsiders to run the show. There were so many opportunities to avoid all this...but alas.
I feel the worst for OSU and Wassu, where are they going to go from here? Cal and Stanford's academic reputations and historical sports glory will eventually land them somewhere, even if they have to go independent.
I don't know, it sucks.
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Oregon big 10
Wash big 10
USC big 10
UCLA big 10
Au big12
ASU big12
Utah big12
Colorado big 12
No source, just a text from my brother.
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Confirmed, Chef. Here's (https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/sport/oregon-washington-big-ten/index.html) a source for you.
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This whole shitstorm is going to absolutely hate fuck Cal's recruiting class. We're good and screwed at least this year, of not for a few to come if we don't get a solid solution soon.
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I hear the PAC is meeting with the Mountain West this morning to discuss expansion of Mountain West teams into the PAC.
I'm guessing they're going after Boise St, Fresno St, SD State, Hawaii, UNLV, and Colorado State. Those are the biggest TV markets in MW and/or recruiting hot spots. That would give the PAC ten teams to use as leverage for a new media deal. Maybe even entice a few Texas based Group of Five schools over to join them and get back to having twelve teams. Not ideal, but perhaps better than being independent.
Also, some are saying that Big 12 isn't done poaching schools. They may be talking with Cal still, but word is they're more concerned with adding basketball power to the conference...like Gonzaga, or UConn...or both.
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Honestly I'd rather see Cal in a conference with the MWC teams then jump into the juggernaut of the Big 12
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I hear the PAC is meeting with the Mountain West this morning to discuss expansion of Mountain West teams into the PAC.
Not sure how that will work, since the MWC has an exit fee of $32 million for any teams leaving it. Seems more likely that the PAC folds and its teams join the MWC.
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Talks of Cal and Stanfurd to the ACC????
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Talks of Cal and Stanfurd to the ACC????
I would be shocked if that happens. No financial advantage for the ACC.
UNLESS it's a move to finally draw in Notre Dame to full membership (they already play 5 ACC teams every year, plus Stanford - if they become a member, then Notre Dame joining would really only mean adding 2 more ACC games for a full conference slate, and a shot at a conference championship every season), which WOULD be enough for the ACC to reopen negotiations with their TV partners to change their deal. If they could increase the per year take for each school, and decrease the length of the deal, that would make the currently dissatisfied members happier.
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Plus the prospect of getting schooled in basketball by Dook and UNC annually really isn't too appealing :lol
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Plus the prospect of getting schooled in basketball by Dook and UNC annually really isn't too appealing :lol
:lol
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Talks of Cal and Stanfurd to the ACC????
I would be shocked if that happens. No financial advantage for the ACC.
It's a wierd move but its only on the table because of the financial advantage. I read adding those schools gaurantees the CA TV market for the ACC. It's all about the media contracts and apparantly a lot of money can be made if the ACC got CA to be subscribers to their content.
It's the same reason the Big10 now went after Washington and Oregon. To expand the TV/streaming footprint of the conference.
This whole thing kind of sucks. Being in the Big 10, it's better to be on the inside than the outside (leftover Pac12 schools), but I don't think this is good for the sport as a whole to lose all the regional rivalries and to have such bloated conferences.
In the end, it's almost like we are going to hvae 4 major conferences and anyone left out is out of what will be the new Div1A or whatever they will call it league for football. But this new Big 12 looks pretty weak honestly and the Pac# basically is non existent.
I thought USC and UCLA are going to the Big10, and Colorado is going back to the Big12 from whence they came.
This is correct.
From what I hear, Oregon and Washington REALLY want to go to the Big 10, but the Big 10 prefers to stand pat for now.
The Pac 12 is in real trouble.
Hopefully they can whittle it down to just Cal, it might be our one chance to go to the Rose Bowl.
I think last year was the last traditional Rose Bowl as it's part of the playoffs going forward.
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I was talking with my dad yesterday, and he said if 15 year old him had known the Rose Bowl he attended in '59 would've been Cal's last, he would've appreciated it more. :lol
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:lol that is sad though, sucks to see so many traditions end. Glad I got to see my team win it unlike the two previous times I got to see my team play it and be heart broken.
As for this actual season, I'm pretty excited. Penn State is going to be a top 10 team out of the gate and will be deserving of that ranking.
They have a new QB who was a top rated QB in his class so the expectations are high and that he'll be better than our previous QB in terms of talent, but he needs experience and you just never know how a player will pan out. Easily the biggest question mark, but considering how highly rated Drew Allar was, this should not be an issue. But PSU will be returning maybe their best OL in 10 years and maybe has the best 2 RBs in the Big 10. So Allar will have a lot of help.
The defense may be even better than last year. The D is just loaded with talent specifically at LB and CB. Might have the best secondary in the Big 10 again. Defending Marvin Harrison Jr will still be a huge challenge (just like last year).
And just like last year, it will come down to having to beat Michigan and/or Ohio State and those two will start the season in the top 5 likely. No easy task and I'd say it's a a 50/50 shot they win one of those two. (I think Ohio State is the weaker of the two, but OSU is on the road, Michigan is home). I could see this team going 10-2 with loses to both those teams just like last year. But honestly, this is the most talented PSU team coming into the season in awhile and we finally have a capable OC and DC to cover up Franklins game day coaching blunders from the past.
A few of my PSU buddies have been planning to go to the Michigan game this year. I'm in, but plans aren't finalized yet. It will be my first game at PSU in a very long time.
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I've spent my whole life waiting for it, I even have a special shirt.
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Talks of Cal and Stanfurd to the ACC????
I would be shocked if that happens. No financial advantage for the ACC.
It's a wierd move but its only on the table because of the financial advantage. I read adding those schools gaurantees the CA TV market for the ACC. It's all about the media contracts and apparantly a lot of money can be made if the ACC got CA to be subscribers to their content.
It's the same reason the Big10 now went after Washington and Oregon. To expand the TV/streaming footprint of the conference.
Not really. Stanford and Cal fans don't feature the same kind of draw, through TV viewership or live attendance/support for their teams, as Oregon and Washington. There is a reason they are among the leftovers that no one else wanted, despite the fact that Stanford has the top athletic program overall in the nation.
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Talks of Cal and Stanfurd to the ACC????
I would be shocked if that happens. No financial advantage for the ACC.
It's a wierd move but its only on the table because of the financial advantage. I read adding those schools gaurantees the CA TV market for the ACC. It's all about the media contracts and apparantly a lot of money can be made if the ACC got CA to be subscribers to their content.
It's the same reason the Big10 now went after Washington and Oregon. To expand the TV/streaming footprint of the conference.
Not really. Stanford and Cal fans don't feature the same kind of draw, through TV viewership or live attendance/support for their teams, as Oregon and Washington. There is a reason they are among the leftovers that no one else wanted, despite the fact that Stanford has the top athletic program overall in the nation.
I agree but its not really about any of that. The ACC TV contract guarantees TV sets for every state a school resides in. CA being the biggest state in the US has a lot of TVs. Apparantly the Pac# TV deal was so bad that schools like Oregon/Washington are taking significantly less money than the current Big10 teams but are still making more than they would have. It's all about those TV/streaming contracts. This was also the ONLY reason the Big 10 took Rutgers. The NJ TV market is huge.
I see no real reason beyond $$$ that any west coast school should be in the ACC, but money talks as we see time and time again when it comes to re-alignment. I'm not saying this will happen, it's just what I've read and the reasons why it might happen. Oregon/UW to the Big 10 was talked about for awhile and made a lot more sense. (it was never about their prestige, simply about being the big schools in those states to get the market). I'm only just hearing these ACC rumblings now. Who knows. I also read FSU might bolt the ACC for the Big 10. I think the Big 10 would take them for the Florida market. UNC would be another candidate IMO (although I havent read much rumblings about them).
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Florida State would love to leave the ACC. But they should probably just shut up about it, because the $120 million exit fee precludes it, and their grant-of-rights all the way to 2036 means no other conference could show their home games. It would be a huge legal pain in the butt for any other conference.
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Florida State would love to leave the ACC. But they should probably just shut up about it, because the $120 million exit fee precludes it, and their grant-of-rights all the way to 2036 means no other conference could show their home games. It would be a huge legal pain in the butt for any other conference.
Goes back to the money. Big 10 money would be worth it, apparantly from what I read. But I don't know if any of that is true. The ACC definitely has a money tie up issue with their contracts. The Pac# didn't have that as their contracts all ended after this season making it easy to bail. Who knows, I do look forward to the new playoff system in 2024, but all of it could be moot if the conference re-alignment ruins the sport.
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ACC turns down the Bay Area schools... hard to think two of the country's top educational, D1 institutions will be left on the scrap heap in all this.
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ACC turns down the Bay Area schools... hard to think two of the country's top educational, D1 institutions will be left on the scrap heap in all this.
There's going to be some schools on the outside looking in I think, sucks for those schools. I definitely feel bad for the fans of such schools. Not saying those two will be stuck out, but who knows, but it's certainly not about academics.
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I think the Mountain West would love to add all four PAC-4 schools, but I can't imagine Stanford or Cal agreeing to that.
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It'd be a great fit for both schools, but they won't want the paycut. As I said before, Cal needs to come to terms with the fact that they'll always be bottom feeders in any major conference
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It'd be a great fit for both schools, but they won't want the paycut. As I said before, Cal needs to come to terms with the fact that they'll always be bottom feeders in any major conference
It's REALLY a shame for Stanford, who has the best top-to-bottom athletic department in the country.
What a crazy turn of events.
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I've read some rumors about USC being pissed that the Big 10 is taking in Oregon. The rumor is that's because USC wanted to get away from Oregon so they wouldn't compete for recruits. Since USC isn't actually a Big 10 member yet, they didn't get to vote on Oregon joining and the Big 10's previous commissioner had a gentlemans agreement not to add Oregon. No idea if any of that is true, but it's certainly a funny thought to think about.
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I've read some rumors about USC being pissed that the Big 10 is taking in Oregon. The rumor is that's because USC wanted to get away from Oregon so they wouldn't compete for recruits. Since USC isn't actually a Big 10 member yet, they didn't get to vote on Oregon joining and the Big 10's previous commissioner had a gentlemans agreement not to add Oregon. No idea if any of that is true, but it's certainly a funny thought to think about.
I saw that rumor also.
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So my alma mater, Appalachian State, will retire the jersey of former QB Armanti Edwards this season. He is probably best known nationally as the QB and driving force of the team that beat Michigan in what was at the time considered the greatest upset in NCAA football history.
Of course, he was also a four-time All-American (ASU was at the time in the FCS subdivision) and a two-time national champion, and was the first QB in Division 1 history to accumulate 10,000 passing yards and 4,000 rushing yards.
Cool, cool stuff.
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That's great, and that game was epic so well deserved.
So excited for the season to begin! PSU opens with a night game against West Virginia (who is an old school rival that we haven't played in a long time). They are basically doing a white out but with a blue stripe down the middle of the stadium. Should be a great atmosphere for prime time and WV wasn't too good last year, so I kind of expect a beat down, but maybe not since PSU is breaking in a new QB. I just can't imagine WV scoring more than 10 points against this PSU defense that could top the nation this year.
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Dude, I think Penn State is going to be very, very good this season.
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Dude, I think Penn State is going to be very, very good this season.
So will Ohio State and Michigan. The problem is, PSU hasn't shown they can beat either of them. While a 10-2 season with loses to those two would be considered a success like last year, it's going to leave a very sour taste in the mouth of PSU fans feeling we can't get over the hump. We will see, should be a fun season.
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Dude, I think Penn State is going to be very, very good this season.
So will Ohio State and Michigan. The problem is, PSU hasn't shown they can beat either of them. While a 10-2 season with loses to those two would be considered a success like last year, it's going to leave a very sour taste in the mouth of PSU fans feeling we can't get over the hump. We will see, should be a fun season.
Bet you can't wait to add USC to your annual to-do list.
So my alma mater, Appalachian State, will retire the jersey of former QB Armanti Edwards this season. He is probably best known nationally as the QB and driving force of the team that beat Michigan in what was at the time considered the greatest upset in NCAA football history.
Of course, he was also a four-time All-American (ASU was at the time in the FCS subdivision) and a two-time national champion, and was the first QB in Division 1 history to accumulate 10,000 passing yards and 4,000 rushing yards.
Cool, cool stuff.
That day was amazing....I was attending the Cal vs Tennessee game, both teams I do believe were ranked at the time and it was a sellout with at least 15-20k Tennessee fans in attendance. The ASU game was before, and I was in a bar with a pretty evenly spit crowd watching the last minutes of it. While we knew we had a big game ahead of us and we'd definitely be on opposite sides, all football fans in that bar were 100% team Fuck Michigan, and we celebrated that win like it was the national championship.
Then Cal proceeded to fucking smoke Tennessee.... like I said, it was an amazing dayl. :gobears:
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Dude, I think Penn State is going to be very, very good this season.
So will Ohio State and Michigan. The problem is, PSU hasn't shown they can beat either of them. While a 10-2 season with loses to those two would be considered a success like last year, it's going to leave a very sour taste in the mouth of PSU fans feeling we can't get over the hump. We will see, should be a fun season.
Bet you can't wait to add USC to your annual to-do list.
It's kind of a wash. I don't think PSU will play all three in a single year. Next year I think they are going to drop these terribly uneven divisions. So PSU will no longer play Michigan and Ohio State every year. It kind of sucks in some ways. I do like having them on the schedule. Those are big games EVERY year and in my mind, to be the best, you got to beat the best. So you need the opportunity to play the best. PSU will still have that, but there goes a lot of the tradition of the last 30 years.
I also remember watching the ASU UM game live and the excitement of seeing UM losing. SO good.
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I would speculate that rooting for ASU during that game is probably the most united our nation has been in recent memory.
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I would speculate that rooting for ASU during that game is probably the most united our nation has been in recent memory.
:lol
It was so good. Easily the biggest athletic event for me personally ever. I mean, that was MY SCHOOL doing the impossible.
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Opening night…the Gators in town.
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Opening night…the Gators in town.
Nice first play from scrimmage
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Yeah, that was fun. My ears are still ringing.
Nice to see our defense is as hard hitting as usual, but our corners are still under sized. The Utes offense was really exposed in the second half. Without Rising and Kuithe the youth is struggling to consistently show gains. I hope the staff figures out something before we play Baylor next Saturday!
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ACC votes to expand, inviting Stanford, Cal, and SMU.
They really did it.
On the one hand, I'm happy for Stanford and Cal that they found a Power 5 conference home. On the other hand, this is all just getting a bit silly, especially in pretending that SMU belongs in a Power 5 league.
In other news, due to Disney's dust-up with Spectrum, I am currently unable to view any college football on ESPN channels or ABC. There goes my weekend.
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ACC votes to expand, inviting Stanford, Cal, and SMU.
They really did it.
On the one hand, I'm happy for Stanford and Cal that they found a Power 5 conference home. On the other hand, this is all just getting a bit silly, especially in pretending that SMU belongs in a Power 5 league.
Not sure how happy I am about it. While it's ok for our major sports, it's going to be a complete clusterfuck for the minor sports, and will probably devastate recruiting for them, but we'll see. It's going to be interesting to see our '24 schedule, especially since we're already committed to a road trip to Auburn.
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ACC votes to expand, inviting Stanford, Cal, and SMU.
They really did it.
On the one hand, I'm happy for Stanford and Cal that they found a Power 5 conference home. On the other hand, this is all just getting a bit silly, especially in pretending that SMU belongs in a Power 5 league.
Not sure how happy I am about it. While it's ok for our major sports, it's going to be a complete clusterfuck for the minor sports, and will probably devastate recruiting for them, but we'll see. It's going to be interesting to see our '24 schedule, especially since we're already committed to a road trip to Auburn.
Contracts like that get cancelled all the time.
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ACC votes to expand, inviting Stanford, Cal, and SMU.
They really did it.
On the one hand, I'm happy for Stanford and Cal that they found a Power 5 conference home. On the other hand, this is all just getting a bit silly, especially in pretending that SMU belongs in a Power 5 league.
Not sure how happy I am about it. While it's ok for our major sports, it's going to be a complete clusterfuck for the minor sports, and will probably devastate recruiting for them, but we'll see. It's going to be interesting to see our '24 schedule, especially since we're already committed to a road trip to Auburn.
Contracts like that get cancelled all the time.
True, but I don't think this one will, it's a good game for Auburn, and the game in CA is next week.
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Those schools are coming at a discount too. SMU not getting any media money for 9 years. Cal and Standford only 30% for 7 years. Damn, I mean, they needed a home so I guess you got to take what you can, but I do agree with Hef that it's a bit outrageous.
Well, glad that the college football season is here.
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Still more money than they would've gotten joining the MWC. I'd say it's probably the cream of whashit options they had. Stanfurd will be fine, they fucking bleed money, but I can see Cal struggling, especially to support smaller sports. It wouldn't surprise me to see them lose some programs in a few years, I know some were in the edge recently.
Very informative piece on it, might have a pay wall...
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/college/article/stanford-cal-sports-acc-18343327.php (https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/college/article/stanford-cal-sports-acc-18343327.php)
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Yeah the article I read stated Cal was already in a huge athletic department deficit, so that wouldn't surprise me. Stanford should be in better position.
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Yeah the article I read stated Cal was already in a huge athletic department deficit, so that wouldn't surprise me. Stanford should be in better position.
Yeah, Stanfurd is sitting on a 30+ billion dollar endowment they can tap into, plus they have more billionaire alums than any other college except Harvard....they'll be ok. Cal is 100 million in the hole because of the financial mismanagement of their stadium renovation, it's really hard to imagine them not cutting programs at this point. It's not good from any standpoint for the Golden Bears.
Just hoping the team takes out their frustrations on Auburn next Saturday. :gobears:
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Just hoping the team takes out their frustrations on Auburn next Saturday. :gobears:
I'd like this.
Nice to also see Podaar's team beat an SEC team. I'm all for that.
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Just hoping the team takes out their frustrations on Auburn next Saturday. :gobears:
I'd like this.
Nice to also see Podaar's team beat an SEC team. I'm all for that.
We'll see how they handle North Texas first today lol
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This Colorado TCU game is a good one. The Deon experiment is looking good at this moment.
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I know it's just North Texas, but Cal's up 58-21 in the final minutes. Hopefully this is a sign of a slightly better season than last year. We'll surely find out where we stand next week.
Also...holy fuck at Oregon :o
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This Colorado TCU game is a good one. The Deon experiment is looking good at this moment.
My issue with that game was that I couldn't understand the announcers because they were too busy sucking Deion's dick.
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This Colorado TCU game is a good one. The Deon experiment is looking good at this moment.
My issue with that game was that I couldn't understand the announcers because they were too busy sucking Deion's dick.
Yes, a bit too much....though high praise is definitely warranted. Colorado was once a power in college football, but fell on some VERY lean times for many years....culminating in a 1-11 season last year. Their opponent's average margin of victory was 29 points! Laughing stocks!
So Sanders comes in to this train wreck that NOBODY wanted to clean up, albeit with a lot of HYPE, and begins the resurrection. Reminiscent of what Bill McCartney did for them in the 90's (if not familiar, Google that name). They were 21 point dogs to a team that played in the National Championship about 8 months ago. Yes, they lost some players too....but Colorado had 51 transfers. Sander's kid is the QB....only played in Division 1A before taking on a Power 5 team like TCU. He goes 37-48 and a school record 510 yards. Both receivers go for over a hundred yards....one of them, Hunter, also plays corner and had two HUGE interceptions. Was on the field for over 100 plays.
Yes, defense was shaky....they were manhandled in the trenches (as was expected). Making big plays compensated in this game....but not the best formula to rely on every week. But that offense....for a first game....whoa.
So yeah, say what you want about Deion. He's connected with the community, and has these players believing in a new program after game ONE. Almost every pundit out there said Colorado had no chance to beat TCU in Fort Worth.
Keep in mind too....the color announcer, Joel Klatt, played quarterback for Colorado....so he's going to gush at any opportunity. One thing I do like about him though....he was never an apologist for the team's woes over the years. He will eviscerate any team (or the NCAA) if he sees something he doesn't like.
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This Colorado TCU game is a good one. The Deon experiment is looking good at this moment.
My issue with that game was that I couldn't understand the announcers because they were too busy sucking Deion's dick.
My gf who was watching with me also made a comment about how bad the commentators were. I then checked my friend group chat and they were all saying the same thing :lol it didn't bother me too much to take away from the great game, but I didn't care for them.
PSUs new QB, Allar, looked incredible for a first start. Also that atmosphere st PSU looked beautiful and very fun. Great start to the season.
I do see some people shitting on PSU for scoring with seconds left instead of taking a knee. I dont like that myself. But sadly, it's become part of the game to make the playoffs.
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The soon to be defunct Pac 12 goes 12-0 in week 1. I'd laugh my ass off if they just crushed the non-conference competition throughout the year.
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The soon to be defunct Pac 12 goes 12-0 in week 1. I'd laugh my ass off if they just crushed the non-conference competition throughout the year.
I fully expect that to happen. They look the best to me top to bottom this year than any recent season I remember.
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LSU, South Carolina, and Florida losing is all lovely. Makes the ACC and PAC12 look a bit better coming out of week 1, but it's still way too early to make and predictations about how these conferences will fare out, but it is nice to see the SEC lose some of the bigger P5 conference games. Would be awesome to see Texas take down Alabama this weekend to continue that trend.
PSU has a cupcake this week (Delaware) and with Progpower this weekend, my attention to college ball will probably dwindle a bit. I do hope my fellow big 10 schools can do the conference well (Wisconsin & Iowa, talking to you). I kind of doubt Nebraska will beat Colorado, but that would be nice too.
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Just now hearing about Duke taking Clemson to the woodshed.. What the actual fuck?
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Just now hearing about Duke taking Clemson to the woodshed.. What the actual fuck?
Was just reading about this, apparently Dabo Sweeney is against using the portal transfer system? I know it's a huge change to the game, but if he's not going to use it, Clemson is going to have issues and that may be starting to show right now. All these teams are plugging holes with transfers, (PSU did this specifically with WR and those two transfers made big plays last weekend). It's part of the game and you got to embrace it or be left behind.
Also, Clemson didn't look great last year even though their record was solid. It's only one game, maybe not a reason to put too much into it, but it's very possible Clemson is not going to be the powerhouse they've been recently.
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It was a combo of Duke being better than many people nationwide think they are, and Clemson making too many mistakes, mostly in the red zone.
I don't think Clemson is quite as bad as they looked last night. But they need to cut out the errors in a hurry, and probably beat Florida State at the end of the month, or it's going to be a long season.
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Loaded day of football finishing up with Auburn at Cal... Go Bears!!
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Go Bears!
Uh, but not the Baylor Bears...
[edit] Damn, 8:30 pm kick off and it's not televised in my region.
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Did I read Clemson turned the ball over at the opponent's 1 yard line?
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Great sack by Cal. Sure looked like a safety to me!
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God, RJ, Cal’s secondary corp is great. Wish the OC would run Ott outside the tackles a bit.
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Go Bears!
Uh, but not the Baylor Bears...
[edit] Damn, 8:30 pm kick off and it's not televised in my region.
It’s on ESPN on the East Coast
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God, RJ, Cal’s secondary corp is great. Wish the OC would run Ott outside the tackles a bit.
Agreed, he's such an explosive runner, and the holes would be much more aplenty on the ends.
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Well fuck. Hard to win when you leave 16 points on the field. D looked great, O needs some stability and consistency, and holy fuck that kicker needs some work.
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Badgers not very impressive so far in the new Luke Fickell era.
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App State gave a valiant effort, but UNC escaped in 2 OT.
I was glad to see Texas beat Alabama (well, I have no love for Texas either, but I was definitely glad to see Bama lose).
Coach Prime is doing impressive work at Colorado.
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The SEC losing almost all their P5 OOC games is fantastic. Granted, they mostly played solid teams so at least they played good competition. PAC12 still looking good.
PSU handled business, I didn't even watch. Of course my 3rd and last sibling to get married is ALSO getting married during a PSU game :lol they are 1-1 at those, but they should definitely be able to beat Illinois on the road next week in their first Big 10 game.
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Thought this would be a good place to mention a well done HBO documentary called 'BS High', about Bishop Sycamore and its narcissistic charlatan 'coach' Roy Johnson and his 'criminal' actions. Truly appalling.
https://time.com/6307570/bs-high-hbo-true-story/
And then, we have Mel Tucker of Michigan State:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2023/09/10/michigan-state-football-coach-sexual-harassment-claim/70679703007/
Yet another black eye on an institution and program less than 30 miles from where I grew up (I'm old enough to remember Duffy Daugherty and his National Championship team, the Rose Bowl loss to UCLA, and the infamous 10-10 tie against Notre Dame)
Went to many games last century at Spartan Stadium, including Kirk Gibson catching TD passes from Eddie Smith in '78, and their Rose Bowl clinching win over Indiana in '87. My most cherished were the first three times my alma mater Central Michigan played them in the 90s (and won the first two matchups :tup :tup :tup). With a young and inexperienced backfield, the Chippewas put up a decent effort in the opener against MSU. Goodness knows how bad of a whoopin' Notre Dame will inflict on them this weekend. Hopefully not as bad as my stepdaughter's alma mater's showing against Penn State last weekend in a game that never should have been scheduled.
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Last week's slate of games were pretty uninteresting. That changes this weekend. Bunch of 3-0 teams face off against each other including a handful of ranked games. Also includes PSU vs Iowa in the white out night game.
PSU struggled quite a bit with Illinois last week on the road. FIrst road game of the season, first big 10 game of the season, and the young QB showed his struggles. Illinois stacked the box and made things difficult. But the PSU defense is really good allowing PSU to comfortably win in the end. I kind of expect a similar type of game on Saturday. Iowa is better than Illinois and has a really tough defense. PSU is one of only 2 teams to not have a turn over this season so far and I find it hard to go against Iowa and not turn it over. My guess is PSU takes over in the 2nd half and wins by 2 scores (which is the current spread, 14) but I would not be surprised if this is a tough defensive battle where PSU loses their nation leading streak of scoring 30 points or more a game.
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I think PSU will be fine.
Definitely looking forward to this week's slate of games. Colorado vs. Oregon will be interesting.
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Colorado vs. Oregon will be interesting.
Indeed it will.
I'm looking forward to UCLA vs. Utah, obviously. Hoping *fingers crossed* that Utah get's some starters back on the defensive front...also, Rising. I have a feeling that both UCLA and Utah's vulnerabilities will get exposed and we'll find out that neither team is quite deserving of their ranks. Washington, Oregon, and *gag* USC will probably rise to the top of PAC12 once the annual conference cannibalism is over.
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I thought Coach Sanders condemnation of the death threats to Colorado State safety Blackburn to be perfect. He continues to surprise me, in a good way.
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I thought Coach Sanders condemnation of the death threats to Colorado State safety Blackburn to be perfect. He continues to surprise me, in a good way.
Same man...he's such a solid and upfront dude.
If they manage to get through Oregon this week and USC next, they easily should be top 5.
Golden Bears head up to #8 Washington...not feeling uber secure about chances there..but we'll see, that's why we play the games, right?
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Golden Bears head up to #8 Washington...not feeling uber secure about chances there..but we'll see, that's why we play the games, right?
Gotta get that Cal running game going full tilt, brother. It's gonna be a tough ask against Washington's front seven though. I'll be pulling for you. Go Bears!
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Golden Bears head up to #8 Washington...not feeling uber secure about chances there..but we'll see, that's why we play the games, right?
Gotta get that Cal running game going full tilt, brother. It's gonna be a tough ask against Washington's front seven though. I'll be pulling for you. Go Bears!
Our QB is just inconsistent as fuck too...shame cause our D is pretty damn solid, I think any big victories we get this year will be of the attrition variety, no fucking way we're outscoring anyone worth a shit.
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Exactly, that’s why I mentioned the running game. In games of attrition, time of possession rules. I think Cal’s defense can hold their own, but the offense needs to control the clock and still score.
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It is interesting to see the PAC12 looking so strong in the final season of the conference (I guess it may still exist? certainly not the way it currently is though).
If this were next season, the Big 10 would have 6 of the top 10 teams. Crazy. Definitely not a fan of the changes coming, but certainly interesting to see how this is playing out this season so far. Makes me wonder if historians will look back at this season and say "why did you ruin this???" :lol
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It is interesting to see the PAC12 looking so strong in the final season of the conference (I guess it may still exist? certainly not the way it currently is though).
If this were next season, the Big 10 would have 6 of the top 10 teams. Crazy. Definitely not a fan of the changes coming, but certainly interesting to see how this is playing out this season so far. Makes me wonder if historians will look back at this season and say "why did you ruin this???" :lol
If Deion Sanders had started at Colorado last year or the year before, the PAC-12 would not be headed for dissolution.
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And Oregon showing coach Prime and company that they still got a lot of work to do. Talk about sheer domination.
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What a game for the Utah punter and the Utah defense.
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And Oregon showing coach Prime and company that they still got a lot of work to do. Talk about sheer domination.
Yep. I expected an Oregon win, but holy crap.
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What a game for the Utah punter and the Utah defense.
Ha! I can’t believe that I left the stadium with Utah 4-0 and I was pissed. :lol
Our offense needs to do some work. Thank Thor for our defense!
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My cousin, a WSU grad, says someone snuck into the stadium in Spokane and painted over the '1'in Pac 12 so it just said Pac 2 :lol
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:lol
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Effen Huskies… :censored
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Effen Huskies… :censored
I'm not even watching..I just know we're gonna get fucking schooled.
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I blinked and they put up 17 points :lol
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And then another 28 by halftime. The INTs hurt, but Penix threw some absolutely perfect passes against some pretty good coverage. I feel for you
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Effen Huskies… :censored
Bow Down To Washington. :biggrin:
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Wow!
Welcome back!
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It's his annual visit to the thread to gloat about beating the Bears :lol
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Why would anyone feel the need to gloat about beating Cal? :biggrin:
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Why would anyone feel the need to gloat about beating Cal? :biggrin:
As history proves, it's one of the easiest things to accomplish in college football, and it looks to only be getting easier.
I think aside from Stanfurd, this is going to be a long fucking year with maybe one more win on the docket at one of the Arizona schools, and finishing with the firing of Coach Wilcox...I like the guy and all, but man, along with team integrity a few wins would be nice. Very uneasy about Cal's next five years with a new coach, a new conference, and a gutting to our recruiting budget. Yikes man...
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Great article on Hal Mumme, Mike Leach, and the history of the Air Raid Offense: https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38556301/stories-air-raid-offense-revolutionized-football
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PSU has a bye week, but lots of interesting games this weekend.
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This USC - Arizona game is crazy.
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I wish I would have watched it now. The highlights on YouTube are pretty nuts. Hard to believe that Arizona was up 17 to nothing over USC at home.
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I wish I would have watched it now. The highlights on YouTube are pretty nuts. Hard to believe that Arizona was up 17 to nothing over USC at home.
I turned it off and went to bed when it was 17-14 and it looked like USC would pull away for the second half. I guess the game stayed pretty competitive. USC has no defense, they aren't going to win the big one unless that unit improves.
The Texas Oklahoma game was another good one.
Nice to see ND get stomped
Lots of 10-25 ranked teams lost. Should be a nice shake up to the rankings but I'd guess other than Oklahoma moving up, maybe not so much movement at the top.
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Let's hear it for the Miami Hurricanes!
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Let's hear it for the Miami Hurricanes!
:lol I can't believe a coach would make that call to not take a knee. That should be a fireable offense.
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Still baffled by that one.
Really liked Cal putting up 40 on OSU with a freshman third string QB, let's develop that kid.
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Another 1:00 game this Saturday. The home schedule this year really blows...I miss watching games under the lights.
Lonestar, Cal's got a great chance to beat Utah at home this week, I think. I can't believe the odds makers are giving the Utes a 2 touchdowns, that's crazy given how bad Utah's offence has been this year and considering Cal's PPG average. I think there is a real chance that Cal either trounces Utah, or squeeks one by in a low scoring game.
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Another 1:00 game this Saturday. The home schedule this year really blows...I miss watching games under the lights.
While PSU had a couple night games already (and I believe one more) the Big 10 really fucked up their negotiations with Fox to put ALL the top Big 10 games at noon (eastern). So PSU vs. OSU, PSU vs. UM, and OSU vs. UM will all be at noon and those are the top 3 Big 10 games this year (and usually, most years). Granted, OSU/UM is a historically noon game, but still. Apparently Fox has done well by doing it via ratings, but it sucks for the fans. Going to suck for the West coast teams joining having to play at noon EST for their big games.
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The disconnect between the teams and the fans on this issue is kinda funny. The teams all love the noon kickoffs, and the fans love the ambiance of night games! :lol
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My alma mater Appalachian State is hosting one of our newest rivals Coastal Carolina under the lights tomorrow night. Should be a highly entertaining. They don't call it the Fun Belt for nothing.
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The disconnect between the teams and the fans on this issue is kinda funny. The teams all love the noon kickoffs, and the fans love the ambiance of night games! :lol
I don't think PSU players like the noon kick offs. THey are historically sloppy in first halves of noon games under the current coach.
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Hey Podaar...
:gobears:
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Like I said earlier, I think Cal has a good shot at taking this game.
GO UTES!!
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If there's anything positive that comes out of the conference re alignments, it's hopefully no more PSU vs UMass type of games. There's literally no reason besides money to play this game.
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If there's anything positive that comes out of the conference re alignments, it's hopefully no more PSU vs UMass type of games. There's literally no reason besides money to play this game.
Homecoming?
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If there's anything positive that comes out of the conference re alignments, it's hopefully no more PSU vs UMass type of games. There's literally no reason besides money to play this game.
Homecoming?
Well, it was homecoming, but it's a non competitive game. For some reason I thought Umass was actually the lower divison like Delaware is, but they moved up like 10 years ago and actually are independant. But still, the game was stupid and PSU paid them 1.5 million to take the beating just so PSU can get an extra home game and rake in the money. This is totally common in FBS, but it really needs to go away. There's so many more teams to play than something like that.
And funny enough, winning 63-0 only knocked them back a spot in the rankings :lol I understand why that happened (Washington with a big win) and things will be setlled this week when PSU plays OSU. But it's all just too much about the money and not enough about competition.
Rant over. Big game coming up. College gameday will be there in Columbus. THIS game is what I love about college football. Top 10 teams going to battle, both undefeated, and both not really tested. It's a toss up in my head although Franklin hasn't shown he can beat OSU beyond a fluke play so I would pick OSU, but this may be the best PSU to play OSU under Franklin. The defense is just so good (check that, they dominate every statistical catagory) that I expect them to be in the game until the end. This is going to be on my mind all week.
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I really like Penn State's chances against Ohio State. I am certainly rooting for them.
That Washington/Oregon game was 10 pounds of fun in a 5 pound bag. Just my kind of game.
You guys better look out for North Carolina. If they handle their business, they will likely wind up in the playoff.
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I'd like to see UNC knock off FSU in the ACC championship.
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I'd like to see UNC knock off FSU in the ACC championship.
That would be amazing.
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I'd like to see UNC knock off FSU in the ACC championship.
That would be amazing.
Enjoy the easy teams while it lasts... Next year the ACC will have to deal with the mighty Golden Bear
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I'd like to see UNC knock off FSU in the ACC championship.
That would be amazing.
I'll +1 that...
I'll also say that the WV v/s Houston game on 10-12 was one of the best football games I've seen as far as last-minute plays are concerned.
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I'd like to see UNC knock off FSU in the ACC championship.
That would be amazing.
Enjoy the easy teams while it lasts... Next year the ACC will have to deal with the mighty Golden Bear
:lol
I'll also say that the WV v/s Houston game on 10-12 was one of the best football games I've seen as far as last-minute plays are concerned.
That last quarter was crazy!
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I'm SHOCKED Michigan would cheat!
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38700739/michigan-staffer-eyed-center-elaborate-scouting-scheme-sources-say (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38700739/michigan-staffer-eyed-center-elaborate-scouting-scheme-sources-say)
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I slept so good last night...floating away on an ocean of USC fan's tears.
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Always a good thing. :tup
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Someone should call in a welfare check on TempusVox after that hideous UW win.
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Utah won, but most of the other big games did not go the way I wanted.
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It was hard to watch that PSU OSU game. I knew PSU's offense was going to be put to the test, but I didn't expect our first year QB to be THAT bad. He looked pathetic. It didn't help that PSU's offensive play calling was mind boggling. Like lets run it on 3rd and 14, but pass on 3rd and 1 and then wonder why the team didn't covert a single 3rd down the entire game. I was pretty sure that if PSU lost, it would be due to coaching and I still stand completely behind that. Our QB looked like he was stil in high school, but it was 100% on the coaches for putting it all on him and not giving more pass plays to the RB or TEs. Trying to make plays with our poor WR makes no sense. Using an option play makes no sense, he's not a threat to run. Basically all the offensive questions from the first 6 games got exposed by OSU. Good on them for doing that, but it was hard to watch. The PSU defense is incredible though. They kept the team in the game and had some incredible stops.
There's no reason to think PSU won't win out besides the Michigan game. The big 10 is just not good besides the top and there's no reason to think PSU will be competitive against UM based on that OSU performance and our recent history against UM. But every other game should be a W. 10-2 would be a great season for most schools, but doing it again after last year and not getting a win against UM or OSU is going to leave a very sour taste in most PSU fans mouths.
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I'm SHOCKED Michigan would cheat!
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38700739/michigan-staffer-eyed-center-elaborate-scouting-scheme-sources-say (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38700739/michigan-staffer-eyed-center-elaborate-scouting-scheme-sources-say)
This story has gotten juicier and jucier each day this week. Looks like Michigan also may have helped South Carolina win games against Clemson and Tennessee to end last season which helped Michigan make the playoffs. That accusation is wild to me, but there's a lot of evidence of this apparantly. TCU was aware of Michigan stealing their signs and was able to spend weeks changing it up to have their upset win against them in the playoffs. The evidence and accusations are really mounting up against them.
And I've also confirmed my plans to attend the PSU vs. Michigan game in 2 weeks with my college friends :metal I would love nothing more than PSU to win that game and boo the fuck out of Harbough the cheater.
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I would LOVE for PSU to beat Michigan. I am tired of seeing some pundits claim that Michigan is clearly the best team when they haven't played anyone.
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Oh well…
Go Bears! :gobears:
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God dammit, coach! Kick the extra point, and go to overtime at home!!! >:(
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Geeze, the big 10 announced the 2024 football schedules today... wild with the Pac12 schools.
PSU has a brutal stretch of UCLA, USC, Wisconsin, Ohio State and Washington in a row (with a bye in the middle) oof
as for this weekend coming up, defintiely a lot of good games that can shake things up. The playoff rankings are in and Ohio State is #1 and I think they earned it over Michigan who have 0 big wins so far, and Georgia who has struggled at times. I actually think FSU and Washington are more deserving of #3 than Michigan right now. PSU got shafted by the committee, but I think a lot of it is meaningless beyond the top 5 right now because things will shake out in the weeks to come.
I wouldnt be surprised if PSU struggles or even loses to Maryland this week. They've struggled on the road and Maryland has a lot to play for since they've been struggling lately. But PSU should win this to bring on the big game next week with Michigan to see if they can turn the season around.
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Cal heads up to Oregon today. Given our propensity for giving up points in massive chunks, that poor Duck is going to be doing a lot of pushups today.
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I still think that Oregon and Washington are the two best teams I've seen this year. And I've seen everyone.
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I still think that Oregon and Washington are the two best teams I've seen this year. And I've seen everyone.
I'm not sure the majority of the Big 12 knows what's coming their way. These additions will completely upend the power structure of that conference.
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I still think that Oregon and Washington are the two best teams I've seen this year. And I've seen everyone.
I'm not sure the majority of the Big 12 knows what's coming their way. These additions will completely upend the power structure of that conference.
Do you mean the Big 10?
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I still think that Oregon and Washington are the two best teams I've seen this year. And I've seen everyone.
I'm not sure the majority of the Big 1210 knows what's coming their way. These additions will completely upend the power structure of that conference.
Yes and no. The Big 10 has competition as well. The issue is, IMO, going to be a lot more difficult for the west coast schools to join a mideast conference. Historically all the teams that have previously joined the Big 10 struggled quite a bit. Nebraska still haven't come found themselves for example. But given how PSU's schedule looks next year, it certainly feels like an overall much stronger and competitive league.
I'm soooo excited for the PSU Michigan game this weekend. Will be my first time returning to PSU for a game in 6 years and it's about as big of a game as you can get. The stadium is doing a stripe out (wear blue or white depending on which section you are in). Sadly I'm in a blue section but I just got a new white jersey, oh well, I'm going to wear it anyway. With all the cheating talk for Michigan, I get the feeling a lot of the general college football fan base is going to be rooting for PSU.
PSU still has a very outside path to the playoffs. If PSU beats Michigan and Michigan beats Ohio State, that leaves those three in a 3 way tie for the big 10 East division and the tie breaker would be the overall record of the Big 10 West schools each team faced. Right now, PSU is winning that tie breaker and based on remaining games, are currently still predicted to win that tie breaker. A LOT on the line for PSU to play for this weekend beyond pride/beating michigan/whatever. PSU can still win the Big 10 this year.
Having said all that. I dont expect to win. I see something like a 21-14 loss. Michigan's defense is crazy good and PSUs offense is questionable. Hopefully being home and the way our offense played last week will change that.
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IMO, the Big 10 is very top-heavy. There is a LARGE difference between the top-tier teams and even the next tier, much more than in most conferences. At least, from what I can tell.
I think that when Oregon and Washington, especially, walk in, it's going to be a feeding frenzy. Their competition with Michigan, Ohio St, and Penn St will probably be close, but everyone else will be a blood bath.
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IMO, the Big 10 is very top-heavy. There is a LARGE difference between the top-tier teams and even the next tier, much more than in most conferences. At least, from what I can tell.
I think that when Oregon and Washington, especially, walk in, it's going to be a feeding frenzy. Their competition with Michigan, Ohio St, and Penn St will probably be close, but everyone else will be a blood bath.
Definitely the case this year, and probably most years, but it's been really highlighted by the Big 10 divisions showing that the East is just so much better, The Big 10 West has never won the Big 10 since it's inception. They really should have done what the Pac 12 and Big 12 did, remove divisions. I still think the Big 10 would be top heavy, but it may not be so glaring. Divisions go away next year for the Big 10. There's definitely going to be a lot of bottom feeders. It'll come down to scheduling, some teams will make out and others won't. Not so different than any other year. I do think it will be harder to go undefeated, but with 12 team playoffs, it will lessen the impact.
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I still think that Oregon and Washington are the two best teams I've seen this year. And I've seen everyone.
I'm not sure the majority of the Big 12 knows what's coming their way. These additions will completely upend the power structure of that conference.
Do you mean the Big 10?
Who the fuck knows these days...we got a big 10 and a big 12, both with over 16 teams or something. The Atlantic conference has west coast teams... and it's a good bet I'll die without ever seeing my beloved Bears in the Rosebowl.
Seriously no meaning left to college football man.
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Seriously no meaning left to college football man.
I'm not a fan of the changes either, besides playoff expansion. Would have loved to see next years playoffs with the traditional P5 conferences we've all grown to love and follow. It feels a lot of that will be lost and this becomes more like minor league NFL with all the money involved and the portal transfer system. I do hope it's still just as fun to follow along and maybe new traditions form, but it does feel like a lot will be lost with the changes.
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I really can't understate how mindblowing it is that the PAC
810 12 is no longer a thing. It's been ingrained in my since I was born man. Seriously, just try to wrap your head around the Big 10 just fucking crumbling in a 2 year span...
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I really can't understate how mindblowing it is that the PAC 810 12 is no longer a thing. It's been ingrained in my since I was born man. Seriously, just try to wrap your head around the Big 10 just fucking crumbling in a 2 year span...
At some point in the next 5-10 years, I will go through the same thing with the ACC.
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Sorry that someone here will be visiting Happy Valley, and not have the chance to boo Jim Harbaugh tomorrow. 😉
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Sorry that someone here will be visiting Happy Valley, and not have the chance to boo Jim Harbaugh tomorrow. 😉
:lol
Man, fuck that guy.
Harbaugh, not cramx3.
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The Utes are at Husky Stadium today. Probably too big of an ask to get a win there, but I'm looking forward to seeing both teams. I've always liked UW (when we're not playing them) and that stadium is beautiful and has a loud and proud atmosphere.
GO UTES!!
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We're at Wazoo today, slight chance if a W
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Guess Michigan can hold their own without the cheating coach.
Oh, and when the fuck did Oregon St sneak up to #12?
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Definitely another poor performance for PSU. So annoying to see the offense not able to show up for the two big games this year. I actually wished they didn't suspend Harbough the night before the game. Personally thought that was a weird decision from the Big 10, in terms of timing and punishment. No one I was with was happy with that news as we all wanted a "fair" game as you can get. I guess it didn't matter. Had an absolute blast hanging with my 3 college buds, two of which I never get to see so while the game sucked, it was an awesome time.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-s3qx7WAAACFab?format=jpg&name=large)
And compared to the last time I went to a game there, 2017 vs. Pitt, the experience was significantly better. Could also be that my friend has season tickets and parking passes, been to all the games, and knows exactly where to be and when helps. Looking forward to returning in a future season and hopefully a better game outcome.
I likely 10-2 finish and decent bowl games, a repeat of last year for PSU. I just hope they don't get content and let Rutgers slip by next week though.
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The big difference between me and Jimbo Fisher is that if my employer fires me, I won't receive a $76 million buyout package.
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So, out of nowhere, Michigan de-escalates and decides to just accept the Big 10's punishment of suspending Harbaugh.
What a bunch of bullshit, especially after all of their bluster. I can't take them seriously.
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Hell yeah, Appalachian State beats James Madison 26-23 in OT!
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Nice, good win for them
Kind of a crappy slate of games this weekend. PSU won, but the offense is a joke. They fired the OC after the Michigan game last week, which partly feels like a James Franklin scapegoat, but also, feels necessary. Obviously I don't expect the offense to all of the sudden be good without the OC, but I didn't expect them to just start having our QB run draws up the middle leading to an injury. :facepalm: This offense has a lot of issues and wayyy too much talent to be like this. PSU should beat MSU next week to finish 10-2 and basically most people would say thats a great season, but I'd bet PSU gets beat by a decent team in a NY6 bowl game because this offense can't hang with any good team.
Also, the Big 10 sucks this year. No great competitive games. Maybe "the game" next week will be a good one, but there's literally been nothing worth watching out of the Big 10 this season which sucks. Just a frustrated fan this season, so much potential.
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Let's Go UW!! Where you at TempusVox??
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Congrats to the Huskies and the Bears!
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People like Paul Finebaum give the media a bad name. Apparently he won't acknowledge Michigan as the national champs if they win it. Congrats, nobody cares, or at least nobody should care. I have no skin in the game as far as Michigan's alleged cheating (from what I read, it appears to be one of those "everyone does it, they just got caught/exposed" deals), but people like Finebaum are self-important blowhards.
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Also, the Big 10 sucks this year. No great competitive games. Maybe "the game" next week will be a good one, but there's literally been nothing worth watching out of the Big 10 this season which sucks. Just a frustrated fan this season, so much potential.
I agree with this. Honestly, I don't think Ohio State or Michigan could hang with Georgia, Washington, Oregon, or Alabama.
People like Paul Finebaum give the media a bad name. Apparently he won't acknowledge Michigan as the national champs if they win it. Congrats, nobody cares, or at least nobody should care. I have no skin in the game as far as Michigan's alleged cheating (from what I read, it appears to be one of those "everyone does it, they just got caught/exposed" deals), but people like Finebaum are self-important blowhards.
I wouldn't say it's an "everyone does it" thing. But agreed 100% on Finebaum. What a douchebag.
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Cal decisively beats UCLA in what looks to be the final regular season game ever for the Pac 12 conference. So hard to believe it's really done with.
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Solid game from my Wolverines. Ohio State is a tough team to beat.
Someone please explain to me why Auburn's defense coordinator decides to only rush 2 players on the last play? So you drop 9 back deep and still allow yourself to get beat. Worst call I've ever seen. And before that your punt returner falls down with nobody around him and muffs it. That whole ending was an epic fail. Almost seems like they tried to lose it was so bad.
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Solid game from my Wolverines. Ohio State is a tough team to beat.
I'm no michigan fan, and was rooting for OSU, but really makes you wonder, did they need to steal those signs? It feels like The Patriots with taping the teams or deflating the balls. Trying to find any illegal competitive edge, when you really dont need it since your team is good enough.
Probably the most boring 10-2 season I've ever watched from PSU. None of the games were a good watch this year. Either a complete blowout against a poor team, or an offensive struggle leading to a boring game against the two teams with a pulse. Although I'm shocked Iowa with the worst offense in all of college football made it to 10-2 and honestly should be 11-1 since they had a bad call ruin a win for them. But no one really thinks they are good so even beating them 31-0 earlier in the year doesn't feel like the victory it otherwise would be against a 10-2 team.
I guess for PSU, the hope would be to play in a NY6 bowl game against one of the other 10-2 SEC teams (Missouri or Ole Miss) and if they can win, then they'll finish in the top 10 and have a decent win to mark the season (like last year). But things need to fall in place for that to happen next weekend.
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App St beat Georgia Southern in the "Deeper Than Hate" rivalry, which, coupled with James Madison's win against Coastal Carolina, sends my Mountaineers to the #FunBelt title game this Saturday! Hell yeah!
Also, Louisville was craptastic this weekend. What the hell.
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My conference championship game predictions:
Conference USA: New Mexico State vs. Liberty
PAC-12: Oregon vs. Washington
Big 12: Oklahoma State vs. Texas
MAC: Miami (Oh) vs. Toledo
Mountain West: Boise State vs. UNLV
SEC: Georgia vs. Alabama
AAC: SMU vs. Tulane
Funbelt: Appalachian State vs. Troy
Big Ten: Michigan vs. Iowa
ACC: Louisville vs. Florida State
Which would leave the four playoff entrants as Georgia, Michigan, Oregon, and probably Ohio State, I guess.
I will be pulling for Iowa massively.
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Only reason I won't be rooting for Iowa is because if they win, it takes away a NY6 bowl spot and means PSU likely misses out. I don't really have any predictions. A few potentially really good games though so hopefully they meet the expectations. I also need Texas to beat Oklahoma State. I think those are the two biggest rooting interests for me.
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I also need Texas to beat Oklahoma State.
What for? Money on it?
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I also need Texas to beat Oklahoma State.
What for? Money on it?
Same reason for Iowa not to win. Oklahoma state right now has no business playing in a NY6 game with 3 losses, winning the Big 12 guarantees that and knocks another team, aka PSU, out as Texas would likely still get a bid with 11 wins and 2 losses.
Apparently the Peach Bowl commissioner has said some positive words about PSU playing there. I think that would be awesome to play, all things considered, but they just might not eligible or desireable compared to the at larges depending on scenarios this weekend.
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I hope you guys get the best thing you possibly could. There are just a couple of programs I normally root against, under almost any circumstances, and two of them are Texas and Michigan lol
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Mrs. P and I are heading to Vegas on Thursday for the Oregon vs Washington game. The final PAC 12 Championship ever. I sure hope it’s a rip roarer! I expect there will be tears…
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Mrs. P and I are heading to Vegas on Thursday for the Oregon vs Washington game. The final PAC 12 Championship ever. I sure hope it’s a rip roarer! I expect there will be tears…
Oh fuck dude...that's so sweet. I think it's going to be an epic battle.
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I haven’t decided if I’m gonna wear Utah Utes gear or if I should just go neutral. What do you think, Chef?
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Do it. Don’t disappoint the Snow Dog.
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People here in WA are sweating this UW-Oregon game; some are calling it the biggest game in UW history.
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I haven’t decided if I’m gonna wear Utah Utes gear or if I should just go neutral. What do you think, Chef?
Represent man.. I wore my Cal stuff to the USC v Texas title game years ago.
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People here in WA are sweating this UW-Oregon game; some are calling it the biggest game in UW history.
Rightly so. At a neutral site, having watched both teams quite a bit, I give the edge to Oregon. Plus, when you have 2 equally matched teams, it's very hard to win twice. Should be a great game to watch.
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People here in WA are sweating this UW-Oregon game; some are calling it the biggest game in UW history.
Rightly so. At a neutral site, having watched both teams quite a bit, I give the edge to Oregon. Plus, when you have 2 equally matched teams, it's very hard to win twice. Should be a great game to watch.
Great take! I'm pulling for UW (primarily because I despise Duck fans), but I actually expect Oregon to win, despite being 9 point underdogs.
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If Alabama beats Georgia, would either team make it to the playoffs. I guess that is where strength of schedule will be the deciding factor for 1 loss teams.
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Ok, funny story about wearing your own team's gear now that I'm on a proper keyboard. So I go to the Rose Bowl between Texas and USC (yes, the Matt Leinart/Vince Young game) with a few friends from Cal, one who used to play offensive line. He's 6'8", 300+, and studies MMA so is very athletic and not someone to be trifled with. We're all in Cal gear of course, and spent most of the pre game time chilling with an RV full of Texas fans who were an absolute delight to party with (I wasn't sober at this time), we even got them to yell "GO BEARS" at a group photo time. :lol
So my big friend Don and I take off to wonder the media area, and one USC fan obviously trying to garner some favor with us, sees our Cal stuff and goes "Oh hey...Go Bears!!" thinking that conference unity will overcome decades of USC schooling us on the feild. My very large companion immediately turns to the dude and screams "FUCK SC!!!!". The dude, after a moment of shock, just walked away :lol
(my buddy was part of the great Bruce Snyder teams that took us to the Citrus bowl against Clemson, and who gave USC one of their worst losses in history, that team only lost to the UW team that was quite possibly one of the best ever and should've won the National Title, and to Stanfurd in a fluke)
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I haven’t decided if I’m gonna wear Utah Utes gear or if I should just go neutral. What do you think, Chef?
I say wear it if you want to. Neutral site game so why not. I'd question it going into someone elses stadium (maybe? I guess depends where really), but not in this case. Should be a good game.
If Alabama beats Georgia, would either team make it to the playoffs. I guess that is where strength of schedule will be the deciding factor for 1 loss teams.
Yeah, Bama and Georgia could definitely both get in. I guess depends on how things play out. The committee doesn't usually hurt the loser of these games too much. I do think this would leave Ohio State with the best loss of the 1 losses, but it's tough, Bama would have the better win, so would potentially Oregon and then there's Texas who beat Bama, so how do you leave them out if they win? We'll see how things play out.
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Mrs. P and I are heading to Vegas on Thursday for the Oregon vs Washington game. The final PAC 12 Championship ever. I sure hope it’s a rip roarer! I expect there will be tears…
That's awesome!
And hell yes, rep your team gear!
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Go UW!
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Last quarter of Pac 12 football is shaping up to be epic.
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‘Twas an exciting game and I’m over the moon that the Ducks lost. The Oregon fans and the Washington fans were pretty shitty with each other to the point that I was starting to get worried that we were going to get caught in a hooligan brawl. My daughter actually went and got security to keep an eye our section midway through the fourth quarter. Very disappointing to see UW fans act that way…I expect it from Duckholes though.
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Good game to end the Pac 12 era for sure...shame the fans sucked though.
Now let's see some juicy upsets today to really fuck shit up. I think GA is in no matter what. If Michigan loses, do they bump Ohio St in? And if Florida loses, that'll really open some doors.
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Last quarter of Pac 12 football is shaping up to be epic.
Travelling, so I could only check updates every ten minutes. Glad the Huskies won, especially after winning the regular season game. I thought Oregon was good enough to run over UM and Ohio State, and go toe to toe with Georgia. We'll finally get to find things like that out next year.
Pity about the hostility in the stands, though.
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Bama looking to fuck shit up.
We'll thatmkaes a mess of things. If FSU and UM win, who takes the fourth spot?
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It won't be fair, but FSU will get left out. The committee always cares more about getting the best four teams; they don't care about "deserves." And without their QB, FSU won't be viewed as a top 4 team. Michigan, Washington and Texas all seem like no-brainers, and there is NO WAY the committee puts in FSU without their QB over Alabama.
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FSU should be in, I guess it doesn't mean anything given the changes coming, but it would go against all their precedents not to include an undefeated P5 team even if the QB is out and their SOS is garbage. I'd guess Texas gets that last spot. P5 conference champ with a win over Bama. Would be incredible to have the last 4 team playoffs without SEC represented. But lets be real, the SEC has only 1 good OOC win this year as a whole. Bama shouldn't of even beaten Auburn last week. With Georgia losing, I dont think the SEC has earned that right. Sadly, this has lead to a lot of predictions of Georgia playing PSU in the Peach Bowl which would be cool, but I'd expect a beat down from them.
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FSU needs to fucking riot. Whatever shred of integrity the NCAA had left just flew out the window.
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Welp, I was wrong. Seems so unfair. Especially when you realize FSU scheduled and beat LSU and Florida, two typically very good SEC teams. SEC was not deserving nor earned it.
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Yup. Heaven forbid the NCAA spit out the SEC cock even for a second. So fucking lame.
And as a now current ACC member, I feel even extra slighted..
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FSU left out, as expected. What a joke college football is.
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PSU gets Ole Miss in the Peach, good game IMO. SEC vs Big 10, both with 2 losses (to top 10 teams) and both kind of unproven in terms of getting that big win which this game would cement.
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And Oregon draws Liberty in the Fiesta bowl.... talk about zero fucking respect. Fuck this shit.
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And Oregon draws Liberty in the Fiesta bowl.... talk about zero fucking respect. Fuck this shit.
No one wants to play them :lol a game that does nothing for Oregon
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And Oregon draws Liberty in the Fiesta bowl.... talk about zero fucking respect. Fuck this shit.
No one wants to play them :lol a game that does nothing for Oregon
Their poor mascot is going to have a heart attack from all the pushups he'll be doing, especially if Nixx decides to make a statement.
God I hope UW wins it all, let the Pac 12 finish on top.
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A travesty occurred by the committee. They penalized perfection. I think it's a disgrace.
Michigan will have their hands full with Bama. A mobile quarterback is something they always have trouble defending. Should be an entertaining game but I see Bama winning it.
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Yep, you just know Alabama is going to beat Michigan now, which means the committee can act all high and mighty about having made the right decision when results like that do not prove or disprove how deserving teams were.
Personally, I think it would be funny if a lot of the best players on Florida St., especially the ones NFL-bound, elected to not play in their bowl game, basically turning that game into a farce. The school would still get the money from being in the bowl game, but it would be a middle finger to the committee.
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I thoroughly expect players from NY6 bowl games who are NFL draft picks to not play, it is the way these days for any bowl game that is not the playoffs. Another benefit of the playoff expansion, would hopefully be that players want to actually play those games.
A travesty occurred by the committee. They penalized perfection. I think it's a disgrace.
Michigan will have their hands full with Bama. A mobile quarterback is something they always have trouble defending. Should be an entertaining game but I see Bama winning it.
The video of Michigan's reaction to playing Bama says it all. As much as FSU earned and deserves to be there, it seemed like UM was hoping to pounce on that and now is not too happy with the results. :lol Totally agree though, the committee got it wrong and it's a disgrace to the sport. Good riddance to the farce that the 4 team playoff has become.
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The committee always cares more about getting the best four teams; they don't care about "deserves."
Well, that's their job. "Deserve" doesn't mean anything. Their charge has always been to get the four best teams.
The problem is one that they have somehow been able to successfully avoid for 10 years: a 4 team playoff with at least 5 "deserving" Power 5 teams. 5 "deserving" Power 5 conference champs. No matter who they left out, it wouldn't have been "fair". But their job, as stated, and always has been, to pick the 4 Best Teams, according to the selection committee. That's what they did.
And I don't know how many of you are complaining just because of the 0 in FSU's loss column, but I've seen everyone play multiple times, and FSU wasn't better than any of the 4 teams that made it, even before their QB got hurt, but CERTAINLY not now. They were ranked too high all season.
Every year before this in the playoff era, everything mostly worked itself out, because usually only 3 of the Power 5 conference champs would be considered to be among the 4 best. That's the only reason Cincinatti got in a few years ago. Or the seasons where 2 SEC teams made it, or 2 Big Ten teams. It was fine, because there weren't 4 or 5 "deserving" Power 5 conference champions any of those years. But this year there were 5, with only 4 slots.
Hell, I would argue that, if anything, Georgia was "screwed" worse than FSU. They were # 1 most of the year, and no # 1 team has ever fallen out of the top 4 in the final ranking. They lost a close game to Alabama, and I don't believe for a second that they are a worse team today than they were Saturday morning.
Just my opinion (which is all that any of this is).
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I think FSU was the weakest of the undefeated, but the problem is the committee had them ranked #4 previously, so how did they all of the sudden go backwards after winning the ACC? It seems fairly obvious that the committee moved them out because of the QB injury. Which does make some sense, but it just feels so unfair to them. They literally did everything on the committee's criteria to make the playoffs including scheduling both LSU and Florida in the OOC schedule. They can't help the fact those two teams weren't as good as typical. They won every game on their schedule including a P5 championship. They literally click the check box for every criteria, except SOS is weak but that hasn't held back previous P5 undefeated teams before so it definitely seems to be the QB. I see the question coming up a lot, what if the school didn't disclose the injury? Obviously it looked really bad so I think maybe lying wouldn't have gone too far here, but maybe, just maybe if they didn't saw a word, the committee might weight them differently?
I mean, I might argue Oregon is better than FSU too. But it's not always who's the best, but who is deserving is certainly still important to the integrity of the game. So glad this didnt happen to my team, but the committee failed IMO even if I think there's better teams than FSU.
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the committee failed IMO even if I think there's better teams than FSU.
But that's just the thing. Unless you think teams better than FSU also didn't make it, then by definition they didn't fail, because their job is to pick the four best teams.
I think too many people are hung up on "undefeated". No one gets bonus consideration for being undefeated. It's the four best teams, regardless of record, because "record" is not one of the criteria.
If you think FSU is a better team than any of the 4 that made it, meaning you think they could beat any of those teams, then you have a gripe. But if you agree with the committee that the four teams that made it are better football teams than anyone that didn't make it, then you don't really have a gripe.
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So if FSU's QB didn't get injured, you'd still rank Alabama and Texas over them? Because, to me, it seems 100% due to the QB that they fell back. There's just no other sport (OK, there likely is and I just can't think of it) where a team would be screwed like that and not make the playoffs. If anything, to me, they should have moved to 4 and not to 3 with Texas above them.
I'm also having a hard time thinking ESPN or other outside figures ($$$$) didn't have some involvement in this. I think Michigan likely destroys FSU with a back up QB. It wouldn't be good for the sport, even if I believe it is what should have happened. Alabma vs. Michigan is a way better match up.
The reality, is I don't disagree with you that Texas, Bama, likely Georgia, and Oregon are all better than FSU, but I can't ignore an entire season of perfect work in a P5 conference.
Best is just wayy too subjective for this sport and of course, any given sunday (saturday). FSU earned that shot.
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So if FSU's QB didn't get injured, you'd still rank Alabama and Texas over them? Because, to me, it seems 100% due to the QB that they fell back.
I personally would have ranked Alabama and Texas over them, yes, because I've thought that all season, but I doubt that the committee would have. I think his injury is what gave them the "reasoning" to do this.
There's just no other sport (OK, there likely is and I just can't think of it) where a team would be screwed like that and not make the playoffs. If anything, to me, they should have moved to 4 and not to 3 with Texas above them.
Professional sports don't work like this. But in one way or the other, all collegiate sports do. In every sport, there is a selection committee that decides who gets in and who doesn't. In most of them (which will include football for the first time starting next year), there are automatic spots for conference champions, but the rest of the tournament is filled by a committee.
I'm also having a hard time thinking ESPN or other outside figures ($$$$) didn't have some involvement in this. I think Michigan likely destroys FSU with a back up QB. It wouldn't be good for the sport, even if I believe it is what should have happened. Alabma vs. Michigan is a way better match up.
I understand why you would think that, but I actually doubt that happened.
The reality, is I don't disagree with you that Texas, Bama, likely Georgia, and Oregon are all better than FSU, but I can't ignore an entire season of perfect work in a P5 conference.
Well, for that matter, Alabama went undefeated in the SEC this season. Their only loss was to # 3 ranked Texas. I can't imagine you think that going undefeated against FSU's schedule is more impressive than going 12-1 against Alabama's. Really?
Best is just wayy too subjective for this sport and of course, any given sunday (saturday). FSU earned that shot.
But "subjective" is the only this sport has EVER been run, especially once we stopped using computer rankings in the BCS.
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The reality, is I don't disagree with you that Texas, Bama, likely Georgia, and Oregon are all better than FSU, but I can't ignore an entire season of perfect work in a P5 conference.
Well, for that matter, Alabama went undefeated in the SEC this season. Their only loss was to # 3 ranked Texas. I can't imagine you think that going undefeated against FSU's schedule is more impressive than going 12-1 against Alabama's. Really?
FSU played Bama's rival and won (LSU, on a neutral field) and also beat SEC foe Florida on the road. I don't think Bama has a less difficult schedule, but I have a hard time faulting a team for scheduling and winning against two SEC schools that are typically good. I think that HAS to count for something. It's exactly what the committee had been telling teams to do to get into the playoff.
Also, the SEC as a whole is kind of down this year (relative to their typical best conference). Of all their schools OOC schedules, the only notable win was Kentucky over Louisville. I think the SEC bias came out for this hence my thought that there are likely outside influences. Both Georgia and Bama looked VERY vulnerable at times this year too.
It just seems so unfair to me. Granted, it's not personal for me, but PSU has been screwed before and it feels, to me, like FSU got screwed. Thankfully next year we can argue about the 12 seed and not 4 seed so it's much less earned/important. No P5(or 4) conference champ will be left out next year and thats probably the way it always should have been, but the numbers never made sense. (as you stated, 4 playoff teams for 5 conferences)
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FSU played Bama's rival and won (LSU, on a neutral field) and also beat SEC foe Florida on the road. I don't think Bama has a less difficult schedule, but I have a hard time faulting a team for scheduling and winning against two SEC schools that are typically good. I think that HAS to count for something. It's exactly what the committee had been telling teams to do to get into the playoff.
Yes, but their Strength of Schedule was still 55th. LSU was pretty good, but had what they would consider to be a down year. FSU plays Florida every year, that's their archrival, and they were 5-7 this season.
Also, the SEC as a whole is kind of down this year (relative to their typical best conference). Of all their schools OOC schedules, the only notable win was Kentucky over Louisville. I think the SEC bias came out for this hence my thought that there are likely outside influences. Both Georgia and Bama looked VERY vulnerable at times this year too.
I know people say that SEC had a down year, but they still finished with 5 teams ranked in the top 13. The ACC would kill for that kind of year, EVERY year.
It just seems so unfair to me. Granted, it's not personal for me, but PSU has been screwed before and it feels, to me, like FSU got screwed. Thankfully next year we can argue about the 12 seed and not 4 seed so it's much less earned/important. No P5(or 4) conference champ will be left out next year and thats probably the way it always should have been, but the numbers never made sense. (as you stated, 4 playoff teams for 5 conferences)
It is unfair. I never said it wasn't unfair. The unfairness is in the CFP only having four slots.
Also, I think everyone agrees with Michigan and Washington making it in. The grief seems to be with Texas and Alabama vs. Florida State. They are all elite teams. Also, they all had elite wins. Michigan beat Ohio State (and Penn State). Washington beat Oregon twice, which is a feat unto itself. Texas beat Alabama, and Alabama beat Georgia. Florida State doesn't have a win on that level, unless you want to count Louisville, which I don't.
I'm not trying to be an asshole or anything. Just saying that the kneejerk reaction isn't always right, and that some people seem to be mad at the Committee for doing exactly what they are supposed to do, which I just don't understand. Unless, of course, you really think that Florida State is a better football team than any of the four teams that made it, which is certainly a valid opinion, just not one that I share.
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I dont take it as being an asshole, its your view and there is no correct answer. Also, sadly, I don't think Bama winning proves anything (or FSU beating Gerogia) so while we all have our thoughts, I don't think there is one true answer here.
My thought had always been Texas goes in, not Bama because of the head to head win. You are right, that those teams all have better wins than FSU. I just have a hard time looking at the 0 losses in a P5 conference with a strong OOC schedule.
But if they removed LSU and Florida from that OOC, I would find it a lot harder to put FSU in because their SOS would be a lot worse likely. There was just literally nothing FSU could have done besides avoid injury in this case and that's not a good precedent to use (IMO). But once again, all this discussion is moot going forward.
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I don't think there is one true answer here.
Agreed. My opinion isn't right just because it's mine. It's just the one that makes the most sense TO ME, and it's the one that the committee arrived at also.
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The problem is that opinions help decide the national championship, rather than the players deciding it all.
Florida St. went undefeated. Alabama lost a game. If (the general) you think Alabama is better, that is your opinion, but the records show that Florida St. was the better team this year.
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How many times in the course of college football--or any sport for that matter--have there been upsets? Thousands. Making an assessment of what team is better based on data points is well and good but until the game is played you never know. Making an assessment that FSU is not one of the 4 best teams in the country is an exercise in data points and opinions. And now we will never know because they don't get to play.
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Florida St. went undefeated. Alabama lost a game. If (the general) you think Alabama is better, that is your opinion, but the records show that Florida St. was the better team this year.
That is not in any way what their records show. Not unless they played close to the same schedule.
Which is why record is not part of the criteria.
Unless you also think that the records show that Liberty was also the better team versus Alabama.
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The problem is that opinions help decide the national championship, rather than the players deciding it all.
Florida St. went undefeated. Alabama lost a game. If (the general) you think Alabama is better, that is your opinion, but the records show that Florida St. was the better team this year.
The record definitely doesn't show that though. Otherwise we'd have Liberty in that spot. When teams don't play each other, this is what we get, all our data points as emtee stated and then we can draw our own opinions from that. But it's never clear until they play. It sucks they don't get that opportunity.
lol beat by hef about Liberty
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lol
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Did Liberty go undefeated by playing in one of the power five conferences?
(comparing the records of Alabama and FSU was more relevant since both won their power five conference)
I'll hang up and listen.
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Did Liberty go undefeated by playing in one of the power five conferences?
(comparing the records of Alabama and FSU was more relevant since both won their power five conference)
I'll hang up and listen.
Exactly. And I will add this; though highly unlikely Liberty wins against any of the 4 teams, we will never know. And just to hammer this point home, you might all recall a time when App State kicked Michigan's ass...as a HUGE underdog.
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Ok, I still can't get over that we don't know if FSU is worse than the teams that made it though. To our very uneducated, layman's eyes? Sure, what the heck. But, unless that shit is decided on the field, we'll never know.
As Marc said, FSU did everything that was asked of them, and running the table is a huge part of that. They deserved that spot over Texas and Bama. This sideline QB deciding who's the better team on paper is straight up bullshit. Play the games.
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Did Liberty go undefeated by playing in one of the power five conferences?
(comparing the records of Alabama and FSU was more relevant since both won their power five conference)
I'll hang up and listen.
You never mentioned that, just said undefeated and record. But I still disagree with your point unless I'm misunderstanding.
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Ok, I still can't get over that we don't know if FSU is worse than the teams that made it though. To our very uneducated, layman's eyes? Sure, what the heck. But, unless that shit is decided on the field, we'll never know.
As Marc said, FSU did everything that was asked of them, and running the table is a huge part of that. They deserved that spot over Texas and Bama. This sideline QB deciding who's the better team on paper is straight up bullshit. Play the games.
Well, straight up saying that Florida State "deserves" to be in over Texas and Bama is no different.
There are only four spots. And since there are no automatic qualifiers (yet), it's a subjective process and always has been. They've just always been able to get away with it before because not all 5 power conferences have ever had deserving teams in the same year before.
The committee have criteria to go by, and you guys that are saying that FSU got screwed aren't judging the committee on whether they followed their criteria or not.
"Undefeated" is not one of the criteria.
Florida State's best win is LSU. Well, Alabama beat them too, and that WASN'T Bama's best win. They also beat # 1 Georgia.
Hey, if Bama and/or Texas had been left out, I would have been fine with that, but mostly because I can't stand either team or their respective fanbase. But they are (IMO) better teams, so if that happened, an injustice would have been done, by the criteria of the process, regardless of how happy I personally would have been about it.
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Did Liberty go undefeated by playing in one of the power five conferences?
(comparing the records of Alabama and FSU was more relevant since both won their power five conference)
I'll hang up and listen.
You never mentioned that, just said undefeated and record. But I still disagree with your point unless I'm misunderstanding.
I said the below:
The problem is that opinions help decide the national championship, rather than the players deciding it all.
Florida St. went undefeated. Alabama lost a game. If (the general) you think Alabama is better, that is your opinion, but the records show that Florida St. was the better team this year.
I think it was more than obvious that I was talking about Alabama and FSU when it comes to their records. Sorry if I wasn't more clear, but I thought it was obvious.
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Ok, I still can't get over that we don't know if FSU is worse than the teams that made it though. To our very uneducated, layman's eyes? Sure, what the heck. But, unless that shit is decided on the field, we'll never know.
As Marc said, FSU did everything that was asked of them, and running the table is a huge part of that. They deserved that spot over Texas and Bama. This sideline QB deciding who's the better team on paper is straight up bullshit. Play the games.
Well, straight up saying that Florida State "deserves" to be in over Texas and Bama is no different.
There are only four spots. And since there are no automatic qualifiers (yet), it's a subjective process and always has been. They've just always been able to get away with it before because not all 5 power conferences have ever had deserving teams in the same year before.
The committee have criteria to go by, and you guys that are saying that FSU got screwed aren't judging the committee on whether they followed their criteria or not.
"Undefeated" is not one of the criteria.
Florida State's best win is LSU. Well, Alabama beat them too, and that WASN'T Bama's best win. They also beat # 1 Georgia.
Hey, if Bama and/or Texas had been left out, I would have been fine with that, but mostly because I can't stand either team or their respective fanbase. But they are (IMO) better teams, so if that happened, an injustice would have been done, by the criteria of the process, regardless of how happy I personally would have been about it.
Okay, so if we are discussing best wins, let's discuss worst losses as well.
Alabama's worst loss (because it was their only one) was losing by double digits AT HOME to Texas.
FSU's worst loss was...oh wait, they didn't lose a game.
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Cal got a good bowl draw, Texas Tech in the Liberty bowl. A good, even match between two very average teams, but, after seeing how my boys excelled at the end, I'm hoping for a win. This Cal team only loses 3 starters to graduation, expect them to scare a few teams next year in the inexplicably downgraded ACC conference. (not quite so P5 conference?)(P5 Conference?)
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Cal got a good bowl draw, Texas Tech in the Liberty bowl. A good, even match between two very average teams, but, after seeing how my boys excelled at the end, I'm hoping for a win. This Cal team only loses 3 starters to graduation, expect them to scare a few teams next year in the inexplicably downgraded ACC conference. (not quite so P5 conference?)(P5 Conference?)
I saw something about if this years NY6 bowls were from next year's conference's, 10/12 teams would be from Big10/SEC. Might as well just get it out of the way sooner than later that this is becoming a two conference division. ACC got shafted this year and it may only going to get worse.
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Ok, I still can't get over that we don't know if FSU is worse than the teams that made it though. To our very uneducated, layman's eyes? Sure, what the heck. But, unless that shit is decided on the field, we'll never know.
As Marc said, FSU did everything that was asked of them, and running the table is a huge part of that. They deserved that spot over Texas and Bama. This sideline QB deciding who's the better team on paper is straight up bullshit. Play the games.
Well, straight up saying that Florida State "deserves" to be in over Texas and Bama is no different.
There are only four spots. And since there are no automatic qualifiers (yet), it's a subjective process and always has been. They've just always been able to get away with it before because not all 5 power conferences have ever had deserving teams in the same year before.
The committee have criteria to go by, and you guys that are saying that FSU got screwed aren't judging the committee on whether they followed their criteria or not.
"Undefeated" is not one of the criteria.
Florida State's best win is LSU. Well, Alabama beat them too, and that WASN'T Bama's best win. They also beat # 1 Georgia.
Hey, if Bama and/or Texas had been left out, I would have been fine with that, but mostly because I can't stand either team or their respective fanbase. But they are (IMO) better teams, so if that happened, an injustice would have been done, by the criteria of the process, regardless of how happy I personally would have been about it.
Okay, so if we are discussing best wins, let's discuss worst losses as well.
Alabama's worst loss (because it was their only one) was losing by double digits AT HOME to Texas.
FSU's worst loss was...oh wait, they didn't lose a game.
OK?
Again, "undefeated" is not a criteria.
One reason for that is that not all schedules are created equal. It's not the NFL, with only 32 teams, where all teams have the same salary cap and other guidelines.
Strength of schedule rankings for the relevant teams:
Texas (2nd)
Alabama (6th)
Washington (8th)
Michigan (51st)
Florida State (55th)
So going undefeated against FSU's schedule is not the same as going against Alabama's schedule with only one loss.
That, along with the loss of their quarterback, made this a painful but straightforward choice for the committee, and one for which I find no fault, no matter how much I sympathize with the Seminoles.
Having said all that, I think a secondary "playoff" with FSU, Georgia, Ohio State, and Oregon would be just as entertaining as the real deal.
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I saw an AP pollster say if FSU beats Georgia and Texas/Alabama win the Playoff, they will vote FSU to be #1 :lol I get the sentiment and FSU would be the only undefeated P5 team in that scenario, but let's not get carried away.
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Ok, I still can't get over that we don't know if FSU is worse than the teams that made it though. To our very uneducated, layman's eyes? Sure, what the heck. But, unless that shit is decided on the field, we'll never know.
As Marc said, FSU did everything that was asked of them, and running the table is a huge part of that. They deserved that spot over Texas and Bama. This sideline QB deciding who's the better team on paper is straight up bullshit. Play the games.
Well, straight up saying that Florida State "deserves" to be in over Texas and Bama is no different.
There are only four spots. And since there are no automatic qualifiers (yet), it's a subjective process and always has been. They've just always been able to get away with it before because not all 5 power conferences have ever had deserving teams in the same year before.
The committee have criteria to go by, and you guys that are saying that FSU got screwed aren't judging the committee on whether they followed their criteria or not.
"Undefeated" is not one of the criteria.
Florida State's best win is LSU. Well, Alabama beat them too, and that WASN'T Bama's best win. They also beat # 1 Georgia.
Hey, if Bama and/or Texas had been left out, I would have been fine with that, but mostly because I can't stand either team or their respective fanbase. But they are (IMO) better teams, so if that happened, an injustice would have been done, by the criteria of the process, regardless of how happy I personally would have been about it.
Okay, so if we are discussing best wins, let's discuss worst losses as well.
Alabama's worst loss (because it was their only one) was losing by double digits AT HOME to Texas.
FSU's worst loss was...oh wait, they didn't lose a game.
OK?
Again, "undefeated" is not a criteria.
One reason for that is that not all schedules are created equal. It's not the NFL, with only 32 teams, where all teams have the same salary cap and other guidelines.
Strength of schedule rankings for the relevant teams:
Texas (2nd)
Alabama (6th)
Washington (8th)
Michigan (51st)
Florida State (55th)
So going undefeated against FSU's schedule is not the same as going against Alabama's schedule with only one loss.
That, along with the loss of their quarterback, made this a painful but straightforward choice for the committee, and one for which I find no fault, no matter how much I sympathize with the Seminoles.
Having said all that, I think a secondary "playoff" with FSU, Georgia, Ohio State, and Oregon would be just as entertaining as the real deal.
Okay, but if strength of schedule is so important, why is Michigan ranked number 1?
And the committee was so concerned about FSU without Travis, but they didn't have him for basically the last three games (he got hurt in the 1st quarter of the North Alabama game), and they scored 100 points in those three games.
Michigan scored 87 points in their last three games.
In other words, Michigan's offense is no better than FSU's without Travis AND they have about the same strength of schedule. Where is the consistency?
Also, the committee also doesn't have regard for defense obviously. Louisville was averaging over 30 a game, yet FSU held them to 6 points last week. I know ugly defensive games are not considered style points, but it just doesn't make a lot of sense. FSU probably would have gotten more consideration had they beaten Louisville 54-51 than they did for dominating them on defense and winning 16-6.
Edit: not trying to be argumentative, really, I just think all this illustrates the moving goal posts the committee used to come to their decision.
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I saw an AP pollster say if FSU beats Georgia and Texas/Alabama win the Playoff, they will vote FSU to be #1 :lol I get the sentiment and FSU would be the only undefeated P5 team in that scenario, but let's not get carried away.
Well, the AP poll doesn't carry the same kind of weight as it used to be. When it's all said and done, and FSU beats Georgia, if he really thinks they are the best team, he SHOULD vote for them # 1, regardless of who wins the playoff. But if he thinks the playoff winner is the best team, and he still votes for FSU # 1, then he's kind of an asshole.
Okay, but if strength of schedule is so important, why is Michigan ranked number 1?
Because they felt they were clearly the overall best team. To be fair, they beat Ohio State, and also Penn State. But the rest of their schedule was definitely trash. For that reason, I would have had them ranked second or third, and would have ranked Washington # 1.
And the committee was so concerned about FSU without Travis, but they didn't have him for basically the last three games (he got hurt in the 1st quarter of the North Alabama game), and they scored 100 points in those three games.
Michigan scored 87 points in their last three games.
In other words, Michigan's offense is no better than FSU's without Travis AND they have about the same strength of schedule. Where is the consistency?
Obviously, it's all just opinions at the end of the day, but for me the consistency is, again, in the schedule. The level of competition that Michigan faced in its last 3 games was, as far as I can tell, a lot better than what Florida State faced. So just flat numbers-to-numbers doesn't work. *shrugs*
Also, the committee also doesn't have regard for defense obviously. Louisville was averaging over 30 a game, yet FSU held them to 6 points last week. I know ugly defensive games are not considered style points, but it just doesn't make a lot of sense. FSU probably would have gotten more consideration had they beaten Louisville 54-51 than they did for dominating them on defense and winning 16-6.
Maybe, maybe not. What I know for sure is that if they had beaten Louisville 54 - 10, they would have eliminated the criteria that allowed them to take the injury into consideration, because there would have effectively been no dropoff. But that didn't happen.
Edit: not trying to be argumentative, really, I just think all this illustrates the moving goal posts the committee used to come to their decision.
No worries, I love these kinds of discussions. People wouldn't bother if they didn't care.
For me, the only real goalpost that moved this season was the number of "deserving" teams. College football screwed itself when they set up a four team playoff while having five power conferences. They just miraculously avoided the consequences of that ludicrous decision until this season.
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I saw an AP pollster say if FSU beats Georgia and Texas/Alabama win the Playoff, they will vote FSU to be #1 :lol I get the sentiment and FSU would be the only undefeated P5 team in that scenario, but let's not get carried away.
Yeah, that's kinda ridiculous. In 2008 Utah went undefeated, beating Michigan in Ann Arbor the first game of the season, and Alabama in the Sugar Bowl but no one thought they deserved to be number 1, rightly so.
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I saw an AP pollster say if FSU beats Georgia and Texas/Alabama win the Playoff, they will vote FSU to be #1 :lol I get the sentiment and FSU would be the only undefeated P5 team in that scenario, but let's not get carried away.
Yeah, that's kinda ridiculous. In 2008 Utah went undefeated, beating Michigan in Ann Arbor the first game of the season, and Alabama in the Sugar Bowl but no one thought they deserved to be number 1, rightly so.
I kinda did. That was a good team.
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I saw an AP pollster say if FSU beats Georgia and Texas/Alabama win the Playoff, they will vote FSU to be #1 :lol I get the sentiment and FSU would be the only undefeated P5 team in that scenario, but let's not get carried away.
Yeah, that's kinda ridiculous. In 2008 Utah went undefeated, beating Michigan in Ann Arbor the first game of the season, and Alabama in the Sugar Bowl but no one thought they deserved to be number 1, rightly so.
I kinda did. That was a good team.
Forgot about that team. Deserving for sure. We can go back to 1994 for PSU to be undefeated and not get a NC. It's always been the way for college ball to be in the hands of voters. Thankfully we can get away from that, for the most part, next year. (obviously there will still be a first team out that may have legit complaint, but they won't be undeafeated and they won't be a P5 champ)
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I'm a fan of the Florida Gators and, of course, hate the Seminoles (thankfully, I was in school at UF during some of the 2000s era glory years, it has often been rough since then). That being said, I feel really bad for their fans and the team. To the point where it has legitimately bothered me. However, nothing in life is fair. This was probably the right decision competitively and, the real driver of this, for the TV ratings/etc... TV doesn't want to serve up another almost certain blowout. That being said, it doesn't sit well with me at all. Thankfully, this won't happen with the new 12 team model.
The fact that the injury occurred in a meaningless late season OOC game against an FCS team just rubs salt into the wound. During the 2006-2009 run where Florida was championship caliber, the team always played a similar opponent as their 11th game - Western Carolina, FAU, The Citadel, and FIU. I was terrified a key player was going to get injured during one of those pointless contests. Fortunately, it never happened to us during that time.
I am very happy Georgia got knocked out. It would be difficult to stomach seeing them win 3 national titles in a row. 2 in a row was bad enough :)
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Hey, maybe we can all agree on this: Paul Finebaum is the most annoying and worthless person in the landscape of college sports media.
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Hey, maybe we can all agree on this: Paul Finebaum is the most annoying and worthless person in the landscape of college sports media.
I agree, but I can't recall the last time I listened to him anyway. SEC teet sucker.
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Hey, maybe we can all agree on this: Paul Finebaum is the most annoying and worthless person in the landscape of college sports media.
I agree, but I can't recall the last time I listened to him anyway. SEC teet sucker.
He is terrible. Can't stomach him at all.
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So by NCAA committee logic, Jacksonville Jaguars should be left out if the playoffs because Lawrence got injured :neverusethis:
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Hey, maybe we can all agree on this: Paul Finebaum is the most annoying and worthless person in the landscape of college sports media.
:tup :tup
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Won't argue with that.
On the lighter side, from The Athletic: https://theathletic.com/5109159/2023/12/04/iowa-hawkeyes-beer-promo/?redirected=1
X-Golf in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, likes to come up with creative promotions. The golf simulator bar is a popular spot for those who live throughout eastern Iowa because of those promotions.
Its latest idea, however, “Pour Until Iowa Scores,” turned into a lot of pouring thanks to a struggling Iowa Hawkeyes offense during the Big Ten championship game.
X-Golf’s promo involved the company offering free draft beer until the Hawkeyes scored their first points of the game. The game was scheduled for an 8 p.m. ET (7 p.m. CT for Iowa) Saturday kickoff in Indianapolis. The promo was available for all customers who reserved a bay time before kickoff.
The Hawkeyes lost 26-0 to the Michigan Wolverines on Saturday, meaning indoor golfers who qualified received free beer for as long as they were playing.
For about three hours, free beer flowed as the Hawkeyes could not find the end zone against the Wolverines. In the end, general manager-in-training Dez Briner estimated between 100 and 200 free beers were served. Per a KWWL-TV report, roughly 120 beers were poured, which equated to more than $500 worth.
“We had all eight of our indoor bays going at once,” Briner said Sunday. “We did the math on it: On average, it would have been about 3 1/2 beers per person for everybody that was in here. We don’t have an exact number, but it was a lot more than we would normally (serve) on a Saturday, for sure.”
Iowa isn’t viewed as a college football offensive powerhouse, ranking dead last in total offense among 130 FBS teams, per the NCAA website, and averaging only 16.6 points per game (ranked 127th out of 130). Though there was a chance of a short wait for free beer to conclude against a stingy Michigan defense — ranked No. 2 in the country behind the Penn State Nittany Lions — Iowa mustered only 155 total yards and seven first downs. The Hawkeyes converted 4 of 15 third downs, punted the ball seven times and turned the ball over on downs three times.
In their only other game against a ranked opponent, a Sept. 23 matchup against Penn State, the Hawkeyes were shut out 31-0. Playing against a Michigan team that needed a win to clinch a spot in the College Football Playoff made Iowa’s task even more daunting.
But the combination of golf and free libations made for a good crowd at X-Golf, despite the game dominated by Michigan.
“Hawkeye games recently, it’s been hit or miss if we have people in here,” Briner said. “But all eight bays were going for a solid three hours (on Saturday).”
The “Pour Until Iowa Scores” promotion, even with Iowa’s offense, has been a go-to for this particular X-Golf location. It started with the Hawkeyes’ Oct. 14 contest against Wisconsin. The last time X-Golf had the promotion was Nov. 24, when Iowa won 13-10 at Nebraska. The Hawkeyes first scored with 13:22 left in the second quarter in that game.
In five previous “Pour Until Iowa Scores” promos, a 12-10 loss to the Minnesota Golden Gophers on Oct. 21 was the only time Iowa had lost.
Iowa now prepares for a matchup with the Tennessee Volunteers in the Citrus Bowl on Jan. 1. Perhaps the promo will return one more time this season.
And if Iowa struggles to score, it could be a win for some golfers, even if they are rooting for the Hawkeyes.
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:lol
Yeah, Iowa's offense was as bad as their defense is good.
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DeSantis has said he may sue the committee due to potentially lost revenue. Senator Scott has asked the committee to preserve all notes, communications, etc. I don't think this rises to the level of getting politicians involved but it goes to show how strongly people feel.
It's time to move on and play the games.
Stunning number of players in the transfer portal. Between the decimation of storied conferences and all the money involved now, I think college football will be forever changed.
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DeSantis must be looking at the polls and thinking what can he do? :lol GTFO
As for the Iowa free beer thing, I feel like that is a terrible idea. Luckily it seems no one died from intoxication :lol
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DeSantis has said he may sue the committee due to potentially lost revenue.
Now I'm even more convinced that the committee made the right decision lol
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Any thoughts on the Heisman? I think that it will be hard NOT to give it to Jayden Daniels, the LSU QB.
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Any thoughts on the Heisman? I think that it will be hard NOT to give it to Jayden Daniels, the LSU QB.
I dont have a strong opinion. As I haven't watched most of these guys. I'm kind of leaning Nix just because he's on the better team than Daniels. Daniels rushing stats put him in better position than Nix though. Hard to tell. Penix is on the even more better team than Nix, but his stats aren't quite as incredible.
Personally, I kind of like Marvin Harrison a lot. He won't win, but I've just watched him the most and he actually takes over games from a non QB position. I'd love to have him on my NFL team maybe more than any of the other heisman candidates (I know that's not the criteria, just saying, I think this guy is a generational talent for his position).
But like I said, I don't have a strong opinion here, it's not like FSU vs. Alabama where I feel a bit more strongly about my opinion.
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I would imagine that Harrison will be the most successful NFL player of this group.
But that's just a guess, you can't really tell.
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UW should be ranked #1. I thought Penix had the Heisman after the first Oregon game, but he had some mediocre performances following that game that may ultimately hurt him. The only other time UW has had a finalist was Steve Emtman, who was never going to win being a lineman.
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UW should be ranked #1. I thought Penix had the Heisman after the first Oregon game, but he had some mediocre performances following that game that may ultimately hurt him.
I agree with you on both fronts.
Furthermore, I think that if Bo Nix had had a Nix-like, Herculean performance in the PAC-12 title game, he might have nailed down the Heisman. But he didn't, so my money is on Daniels.
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Hope nobody took the under in the Cal/Texas Tech game...I got a feeling they're gonna light this shit up.
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What's college football? Damn BC changed the criteria to be an athlete and screwed their sports program.
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Appalachian State won the Heavy Downpour Bowl. Their seventh bowl win in eight bowl appearances. #Mountaineers
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Tech is looking very impressive, Cal needs to step their shit up in the second half to avoid getting smoked
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Just saw the CFP games are on ESPN, which I do not have. :sadpanda:
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Just saw the CFP games are on ESPN, which I do not have. :sadpanda:
No cable?
Might be time to sign up for ESPN +
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No cable. Netflix and Disney+ is all we have, plus an HD antenna for local channels. Might be the only time of year I ever think about wanting ESPN. Rarely watch any sports, these days.
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That stinks. All the broadcasting rights stuff has really messed with the game. This year, the Big 10 had a few select (basically the weakest games) on streaming only. I think Peacock, which we don't have. So lots of PSU fans were not happy to not be able to watch one game this year on traditional TV. We have youtubeTV so we get ESPN and the Big 10 Network so otherwise we can watch all the games.
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Should just expand your D+ to the bundle, get hulu and espn for a few bucks extra, and tons of good content added.
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No cable. Netflix and Disney+ is all we have, plus an HD antenna for local channels. Might be the only time of year I ever think about wanting ESPN. Rarely watch any sports, these days.
Sign up for the ESPN + app, and then cancel after the title game.
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Or that...just 11 bucks.
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66-3 Georgia over Florida State!?! Is Florida still going to sue the NCAA over not including the Seminoles in the Final Four? :huh:
I feel bad for them. 29 scholarship players did not play due to injury, sitting out, or being in the portal. That's basically what is happening to most of these ESPN money making games, most with 6-6 or 7-5 teams, played in front of half empty stadiums.
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If anything, that game showed me Georgia should have been in the playoffs. Too many people on FSU not playing for it to mean anything about that team, granted I think they would have lost in the playoffs even with everyone playing, but I'm starting to think Georgia got shafted just as bad.
And the bowls are mostly in shambles right now because of it. Even the PSU game, 3 defensive starters dont play and PSU lost their defensive coordinator to Duke so no leaders on the field for the team and it showed. It's hard to find meaning in some of these games beyond some stats and pride that a few show.
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In the current 4 team format, I'd never make an argument for a non-conference winner going to the playoffs.
As for today...predictions...
Bama beats Michigan
UW beats Texas
and Oregon puts 70 on Liberty while the Duck goes on oxygen for doing too many pushups.
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So far, good showing by Liberty. Not so much by the hated, stinking, ducks.
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Yeah...that didn't last long. Hope they can put up a few more points, but I think there's just way too big a talent disparity for this one to be competitive.
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Yeah, this one is gonna get ugly...
If the bowl committee was really focused on the best games, they should've had GA vs Oregon, that would've been amazing.
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Yeah, I took a little nap and the Fuck’n Ducks put up 35 unanswered points. :lol
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Bowl games have been a sham this year. Very uninteresting games even though some match ups looked good on paper. Hopefully the playoffs are competitive tonight.
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This Rose bowl game is building that vibe to be one for the ages... I just can feel it. Unfortunately I couldn't give two shits for either team.
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This Rose bowl game is building that vibe to be one for the ages... I just can feel it. Unfortunately I couldn't give two shits for either team.
I have it on, so I'm watching, but I'm listening to music. Are all of the important players playing? I think I saw a couple of games in the last few days where large swaths of kids were sitting out.
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This Rose bowl game is building that vibe to be one for the ages... I just can feel it. Unfortunately I couldn't give two shits for either team.
I have it on, so I'm watching, but I'm listening to music. Are all of the important players playing? I think I saw a couple of games in the last few days where large swaths of kids were sitting out.
Oh yeah, this one's and tonight's are for the title, they're putting it all on the line here.
The Fla St team had like 20 players sitting out, they were the team that got left out of the playoffs even though they went undefeated in a major conference.
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This Rose bowl game is building that vibe to be one for the ages... I just can feel it. Unfortunately I couldn't give two shits for either team.
I have it on, so I'm watching, but I'm listening to music. Are all of the important players playing? I think I saw a couple of games in the last few days where large swaths of kids were sitting out.
Oh yeah, this one's and tonight's are for the title, they're putting it all on the line here.
The Fla St team had like 20 players sitting out, they were the team that got left out of the playoffs even though they went undefeated in a major conference.
Oh, were they the #4 team? I saw the seeds of today's games and saw that it was 1 vs 5 and 2 vs 3. I was like...where's #4? :lol
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This Rose bowl game is building that vibe to be one for the ages... I just can feel it. Unfortunately I couldn't give two shits for either team.
I have it on, so I'm watching, but I'm listening to music. Are all of the important players playing? I think I saw a couple of games in the last few days where large swaths of kids were sitting out.
Oh yeah, this one's and tonight's are for the title, they're putting it all on the line here.
The Fla St team had like 20 players sitting out, they were the team that got left out of the playoffs even though they went undefeated in a major conference.
Oh, were they the #4 team? I saw the seeds of today's games and saw that it was 1 vs 5 and 2 vs 3. I was like...where's #4? :lol
Yup... Fla St went undefeated and ended up #4 in the AP Poll, but the Bowl Committee uses the bullshit excuse of trying to make the best matchups/pick the best teams to ensure the SEC has a team in the mix and decided since Fla didn't have their starting QB they wouldn't be a good matchup and that Bama would be the better team. Granted earlier in the season Bama already got beat soundly by #3 Texas. Fla ran the table and won their division, they overcame all tasks in their way.
When it came time for their game against a very, very strong GA team, Fla players decided to boycott the game, hence the huge blowout.
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Well that was one hell of a game.
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This Rose bowl game is building that vibe to be one for the ages... I just can feel it. Unfortunately I couldn't give two shits for either team.
I have it on, so I'm watching, but I'm listening to music. Are all of the important players playing? I think I saw a couple of games in the last few days where large swaths of kids were sitting out.
Oh yeah, this one's and tonight's are for the title, they're putting it all on the line here.
The Fla St team had like 20 players sitting out, they were the team that got left out of the playoffs even though they went undefeated in a major conference.
Oh, were they the #4 team? I saw the seeds of today's games and saw that it was 1 vs 5 and 2 vs 3. I was like...where's #4? :lol
Yup... Fla St went undefeated and ended up #4 in the AP Poll, but the Bowl Committee uses the bullshit excuse of trying to make the best matchups/pick the best teams to ensure the SEC has a team in the mix and decided since Fla didn't have their starting QB they wouldn't be a good matchup and that Bama would be the better team. Granted earlier in the season Bama already got beat soundly by #3 Texas. Fla ran the table and won their division, they overcame all tasks in their way.
When it came time for their game against a very, very strong GA team, Fla players decided to boycott the game, hence the huge blowout.
yeah, that's the game I had on the other night.
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I just realized it's after midnight at the Sugar Bowl with half of the 4th quarter left to go. Who is watching this on the East Coast?
And where you at TempusVox? Let's go Huskies!!
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That game was WAAAAAAAAAAYYY closer than it needed to be.
Doing the handoff thing in an attempt to run more clock ended up almost costing them the game…and since it cost us our starting running back, it probably cost us the national championship.
What a bone headed move. :facepalm:
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Yeah, stubborn conservatism in football is one of the dumbest of coaching diseases. It afflicts them all. You would think that either the head coach or the OC realizes what kind of football got them there. Sure, keep it on the ground, but do a jet sweep to Odunze or Polk... a play action keeper by Penix to test the edge of the line...anything but straight between the tackles.
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For the first time in recorded history, I was rooting for Alabama, and then THAT was the last play they ran. Holy crap.
Both games were fantastic. Michigan vs. Washington for the title should be a great matchup.
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I went to bed after the UW field goal.... wtf happened :lol
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Who is watching this on the East Coast?
I fell asleep shortly after the 3rd started. Honestly, what a moronic thing to have that game start so late. I kind of get it because the Rose Bowl has a 5pm start time east coast, but man, that just sucked that I couldn't stay up for it. The Michigan/Bama game was a good one.
I guess if Michigan wins the whole thing, I should be happy for the Big 10 (who basically choked this bowl season, but also, mostly choked all year) and I can personally say I got to see the National Champions play in person this year... but I'm finding it really hard to root for them.
Washington seems so much more likeable
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Very entertaining Rose Bowl! Michigan is my team so I'm ecstatic but they were making too many uncharacteristic mistakes. I think the nerves, the spotlight and those weeks in between games all had impacts.
Agree with the BS start time of the 2nd game. I can't stay up until after midnight. I have to get up at 3:30 am.
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Who is watching this on the East Coast?
I fell asleep shortly after the 3rd started. Honestly, what a moronic thing to have that game start so late. I kind of get it because the Rose Bowl has a 5pm start time east coast, but man, that just sucked that I couldn't stay up for it. The Michigan/Bama game was a good one.
I guess if Michigan wins the whole thing, I should be happy for the Big 10 (who basically choked this bowl season, but also, mostly choked all year) and I can personally say I got to see the National Champions play in person this year... but I'm finding it really hard to root for them.
Washington seems so much more likeable
UW is almost a big 10 team anyways....
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The buzz here in western WA is off the charts! I graduated from there, but have no allegiance to the school. I generally don't care what their sports teams do. But I recognize how huge this win would be.
The local analysis is that after years of being good but unable to beat OSU, UM rebuilt their team to beat the OSU teams of 2020-2022, which shares similarities to this UW team. But they haven't faced an offense anywhere near the caliber of this year's Huskies, and if Penix gets them out big early, there's no way UM is going to be able to score enough to keep up. If their O-line keeps UM away from Penix, the Wolverines could be in for a long night. If they keep him off the field and limit them to <10 drives, it will be a close game. And as much as I ever hate to say this, special teams could play an important factor. Either UW wins 31-13, or UM wins 20-17.
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I'd imagine the whole of the Pac 12 is team UW tomorrow, can't think of a better swan song for the conference than a national title.
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I can't imagine a scenario where Oregon and WSU fans root for UW. They may be rooting against UM, but not for UW.
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I'm team Dawg for sure...today!
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These games are always so hard to predict. I think Michigan might be better on paper and have the stronger defense. But Penix brings something you can't account for easily. Fun fact, a Penix lead Indiana team beat Michigan in 2020. And these two teams play again next year, albeit in the Big 10. You just don't really see that often, although next year both teams are going to be very different.
I'm going to pick Michigan here, something like 28 to 24. I'm not going to be upset if Washington wins though. Not sure if I will be actively rooting for anyone, just hopefully a good game as these are so hit or miss.
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My pick is Washington, 27-20.
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Even though I grew up in Michigan and watched those epic Bo-Woody games and all that followed, I’ll probably only check out the last half hour or so tonight. I’ve just never been a fan of the semis or finals. I guess the little kid in me misses the old bowl format, or I'm just worn out on too much football at this time of year.
I mean, Michigan beat Ohio State. That's a 'woot and a half'. Then had to play a Big Ten title game again (snore). Won a Rose Bowl! That's a couple of 'woots', but now there's tonight......
Prediction: Penix and crew could put on a hurt as bad as TCU administered to the Wolverines last year. I feel like the Huskies have three Marvin Harrison, Jr. type receivers. If it's only a one score game near the end, I like their chances of late game heroics.
Oh, and I still have nightmares of Warren Moon ;)
Observation: the almost disastrous botched fair catch by Michigan with forty some seconds left in the game last week. I’ll never understand why college and pro teams do this (obviously done more often at the end of the first half). There’s always that chance of muffing it. Or, even if your opponent only has two TOs left, an incompletion means punting, where you risk allowing a FG and injury. Let the ball end up at the 2 or 3 yard line, take a couple of knees, and move on.
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I'm glad that the final Pac 12 game is against Michigan, it's very fitting and harken back to decades of epic Rose Bowl matchups.
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Observation: the almost disastrous botched fair catch by Michigan with forty some seconds left in the game last week. I’ll never understand why college and pro teams do this (obviously done more often at the end of the first half). There’s always that chance of muffing it. Or, even if your opponent only has two TOs left, an incompletion means punting, where you risk allowing a FG and injury. Let the ball end up at the 2 or 3 yard line, take a couple of knees, and move on.
Agreed, or maybe you get lucky and it bounces in the end zone, but attempting to make the fair catch is quite dumb at that point in the game. It was a risk that almost cost them the game. That guy is so lucky he isn't the one still being talked about :lol
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For the love of god don’t let Michigan win.
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Michigan looking really, really good so far. Hope Penix fires up soon.
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Not the start I expected for either team.
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No shit... UW is on their heels hard. They need a big turnover or something to get some momentum.
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The PAC-12 ran a commercial? :rollin :rollin
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Not sure why Michigan went for it on that fourth down.
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The PAC-12 ran a commercial? :rollin :rollin
Did they really? Must've been in the pisser
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Either UW wins 31-13, or UM wins 20-17.
I accidentally swapped the teams in my predictions, so I was actually only off by a field goal. :biggrin:
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Michigan really manhandled Washington upfront. 300+ rushing yards and maintained consistent pressure on Washington's QB/little running game for UW. I thought Michigan should have been up real big at halftime, but they lost the plot for a bit and let Washington back in the game until the 4th quarter. They were clearly the better team tonight.
The MVP on offense is from nearby (Fauquier County, VA), so that is cool.
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Michigan won handedly. They are the clear national champions here. But I can’t help but wonder what things might’ve been like if the Huskies had been healthy. Penix was obviously not 100%, and in the 4th quarter, I doubt he was even 50%. In fact, once we were down two TDs with still 5-6 minutes to play, I think they should have pulled him. His throwing hand was effed up and he was holding his side…he was doing more harm than good at that point. Seriously, why not send in the backup at that stage?
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What an unbelievable season. I will probably never get to experience another one like it. Icing on the cake was I got to see this team in person this year. Congrats to my Wolverines!
National champions.
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Extra credit to the Michigan cheating staff. No doubt the team on the field had the talent to win the title, but I think every non-Michigan fan is going seeing a tarnished trophy forever. Enjoy the taint, embrace the taint.
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What an unbelievable season. I will probably never get to experience another one like it. Icing on the cake was I got to see this team in person this year. Congrats to my Wolverines!
National champions.
Extra credit to the Michigan cheating staff. No doubt the team on the field had the talent to win the title, but I think every non-Michigan fan is going seeing a tarnished trophy forever. Enjoy the taint, embrace the taint.
I love how completely opposite these two comments are. :lol
Two takeaways for me from this one that I think decided the game, and that were mentioned already. Michigan defense, especially the secondary that put Penix into a panic mode on nearly every play, and Penix's obvious injury that made him miss half his passes by a few feet decided this game. I think a healthy Penix, able to make the ones he missed (two of which would've easily been 7 points) and we'd be talking a completely different outcome. No matter, UM was the better team yesterday, and unlike FSU, they'll reap the rewards for going undefeated.
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Seems to me that Penix was injured because of how good that Michigan D was. My point, if he was healthy, he might have gotten hurt again in another game because Michigan's defense is so damn good. They played to limit him and succeeded. Also that Michigan running game is really strong. They are a smash mouth football team and showed it.
I like how PSU played Michigan tougher :biggrin: but seriously, the coolest part of them winning is that I got to see them play in person this year. As much as I hate them and I do believe what they did was cheating, they did have a really good team that in some way, I was a part of this season.
And with that I will share my YouTube short of yelling at them and causing them to use a time out this season :lol https://youtube.com/shorts/aZ9fjk9-nkQ?si=30P-D-shNakeMFaZ (https://youtube.com/shorts/aZ9fjk9-nkQ?si=30P-D-shNakeMFaZ)
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Extra credit to the Michigan cheating staff. No doubt the team on the field had the talent to win the title, but I think every non-Michigan fan is going seeing a tarnished trophy forever. Enjoy the taint, embrace the taint.
I fucking hate Michigan, but I don't view this as tainted in any way.
They decidedly won the line of scrimmage, on both sides of the ball, which was of course their key to victory.
Hats off to the Wolverines, but it doesn't make up for losing to Appalachian State in 2007. GO APP! #Mountaineers
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It was cute at the presser, where Jim Harbaugh said he'll now be able to sit at 'the adult table' at family gatherings, :D referencing his father's and brother's accomplishments.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8wmIiFuQMmk
(https://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Jim-John-Harbaugh.jpg)
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Seems to me that Penix was injured because of how good that Michigan D was. My point, if he was healthy, he might have gotten hurt again in another game because Michigan's defense is so damn good. They played to limit him and succeeded. Also that Michigan running game is really strong. They are a smash mouth football team and showed it.
I like how PSU played Michigan tougher :biggrin: but seriously, the coolest part of them winning is that I got to see them play in person this year. As much as I hate them and I do believe what they did was cheating, they did have a really good team that in some way, I was a part of this season.
And with that I will share my YouTube short of yelling at them and causing them to use a time out this season :lol https://youtube.com/shorts/aZ9fjk9-nkQ?si=30P-D-shNakeMFaZ (https://youtube.com/shorts/aZ9fjk9-nkQ?si=30P-D-shNakeMFaZ)
Definitely not trying to take anything away from the UM defense, they were amazing.
Can't wait to see the rematch in Washington next October
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Can't wait to see the rematch in Washington next October
Indeed.
Also, here's to the end of the 4-team playoff. It never should have existed, and now it never will again (hopefully).
Bring on the 12-team playoff. Not perfect, perhaps, but better than 4.
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The rematch in theory is great, but these teams will be so different next year. I doubt Harbough is around, lots of rumors of him already having contacts to move to the NFL. I expect we'll hear something soon. BUt also Michigan had a lot of 5th year players. Washington loses Penix, not sure who else, but Im thinking some of those big receivers. I expect both teams will take a step back next year, but who knows how far. Too many changes next year. I'd honestly be shocked if any of the Pac12 teams make a run in the BIg 10. I say that, because historically, the teams coming into the Big 10 struggle. Oregon might have the best shot to change that.
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Harbaugh is definitely gone, especially considering there's a legitimate chance the ban hammer will fall on the UM program. My dad suggested the Raiders.... A perfect fit I think :lol
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Reports that Nick Saban is retiring.
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Wonder if he'll fully retire or try the NFL again.
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Reports that Nick Saban is retiring.
Great news for everyone besides Bama lol if he's truly done, he had an incredible career
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At least Saban can say he had a better pro career than Urban Shitbag Meyer
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Wonder if he'll fully retire or try the NFL again.
I would be shocked if he went to the NFL.
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Wonder if he'll fully retire or try the NFL again.
I would be shocked if he went to the NFL.
He's up there in age, although he looks great, so I got to think if he's retiring, it's legit.
I kind of think the changes to the NCAA are also a reason. He's getting too old to play the money game with NIL now. It's really changing the recruiting game quite a bit. Add in a 12 team playoff and winning NCs is all of the sudden significantly harder. I'm not saying he's stepping away from a challenge, I'm just thinking he's old and probably doesn't want to adjust at this point in his career. Might as well go out as one of the best coaches ever before the game changes.
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Wonder if he'll fully retire or try the NFL again.
I would be shocked if he went to the NFL.
He's up there in age, although he looks great, so I got to think if he's retiring, it's legit.
I kind of think the changes to the NCAA are also a reason. He's getting too old to play the money game with NIL now. It's really changing the recruiting game quite a bit. Add in a 12 team playoff and winning NCs is all of the sudden significantly harder. I'm not saying he's stepping away from a challenge, I'm just thinking he's old and probably doesn't want to adjust at this point in his career. Might as well go out as one of the best coaches ever before the game changes.
I'm sure all of those are factors, along with the transfer portal, and what I feel is the most likely answer: his wife is ready for him to retire so they can move down to their new Florida home full time.
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Wonder if he'll fully retire or try the NFL again.
I would be shocked if he went to the NFL.
He's up there in age, although he looks great, so I got to think if he's retiring, it's legit.
I kind of think the changes to the NCAA are also a reason. He's getting too old to play the money game with NIL now. It's really changing the recruiting game quite a bit. Add in a 12 team playoff and winning NCs is all of the sudden significantly harder. I'm not saying he's stepping away from a challenge, I'm just thinking he's old and probably doesn't want to adjust at this point in his career. Might as well go out as one of the best coaches ever before the game changes.
I'm sure all of those are factors, along with the transfer portal, and what I feel is the most likely answer: his wife is ready for him to retire so they can move down to their new Florida home full time.
Some of the best players are asking for millions of dollars from the transfer portal. It's insane how much that's changing the game. I believe it was Marvin Harrison Jr that recently stated he was getting offers better than NFL first round draft money to transfer to a different school.
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So 4 days after the national championship* game, the winning coach is likely moving on, and the losing coach took a new job that was vacated by the coach of a team who lost in the semis, and is considered by many as the greatest coach in college football history.
Seattle is gripping right now by the loss of DeBoer. We were on to something big here, and it feels like the rug was ripped right out from under our feet.
* For the love of God can everyone quit calling it the "Natty?"