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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: KevShmev on June 20, 2023, 08:28:50 PM
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I will be tackling this record in the next week.
What am I in store for?
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How versed are you in Thin Lizzy? What do you already know by them? Just looking for reference points.
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I can count on one hand the number of songs I know by them (the classic rock staples).
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Why Johnnie The Fox?
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Why Johnnie The Fox?
Probably wants an in with Jimmy the Weed.
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Kev, I'll follow up with this in the morning. Like I asked, just wondering why you're picking this album?
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The buddy I do album reviews with in real life :lol picked it.
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I go back and forth between Johnny the Fox and Jailbreak being my second favorite Thin Lizzy record, both behind Black Rose.
I will say the opening track Johnny is a fantastic song to start the album with. I love that song.
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:heart :tup :hefdaddy
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I go back and forth between Johnny the Fox and Jailbreak being my second favorite Thin Lizzy record, both behind Black Rose.
I will say the opening track Johnny is a fantastic song to start the album with. I love that song.
Jailbreak album is beyond stellar its pristine perfection
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I go back and forth between Johnny the Fox and Jailbreak being my second favorite Thin Lizzy record, both behind Black Rose.
I put it on par with Black Rose, but that means I have 5 other albums ahead of both of them.
Kev, I love Thin Lizzy. I rank them as my #6 all time favorite band.
Thin Lizzy had 12 albums, even though I hardly ever listen to the first three albums and pretty much discount them. Chronologically, Johnny The Fox is the 7th album and the 4th of the 5 classic Brian Robertson Era albums.
It sits right between Jailbreak (which came before) and Bad Reputation (which followed), two albums that I like a lot more. They're both heavier and more consistent.
But I really do enjoy Johnny The Fox. It has a more laid back feel Even the rocking songs like Johnny and Rocky sound a bit tame. Perhaps it's the production. There's a number of really cool mellow and reflective songs. Phil Lynott is really convincing with his emotive storytelling.
My favorite song on the album is Don't Believe A Word.
Def Leppard did a nice cover of it on their Yeah! album (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgM8m1BYvEE)
It's kind of a rocking tune, but Phil original wrote it as a slower piece. You can hear what he envisioned (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENZh04yic1M) on Gary Moore's Back On The Streets album with Phil singing the verses and Gary the chorus.
Another song I really love is Borderline. This is classic Phil. He effectively paints a picture of sitting at a bar, you feel like you're literally sitting there with him. Just a great tune.
The heaviest song is Massacre. It's a great tune, but almost feels out of place on this particular album.
Iron Maiden did a cover as a b-side (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqasEnIZxXU) during the Seventh Son sessions.
All in all, this album feels a tad incomplete. It's the second album they released in 1976, and it just feels pumped out. I just don't think the other "rocking" songs like Johnny, Rocky, and Boogie Woogie Dance (WTF is this?) are on par with the songs on the Jailbreak or Bad Reputation. But Jonnie The Fox is a really nice listen. I do like the softer songs as well like Old Flame and Fool's Gold. I think Phil is fairly captivating on this album.
I don't think this is a great place to start with Thin Lizzy, but it's a good album to pull back the covers and get a glimpse of what makes Phil Lynott such an attraction.
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Okay, thanks for the thoughts.
I got through a few songs this morning. I like how open the sound is. You can hear every instrument pretty well.
More feedback to come...
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TAC IS THE MAN !!!
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To Me ( and I saw them 2 times ..) Thin Lizzy is born on Live and Dangerous which is considered the greatest live album in Rock history
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I’m sure I’m not the first to notice this, but Fool’s Gold sounds like Hit Me With Your Best Shot by Pat Benatar.
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I’m sure I’m not the first to notice this, but Fool’s Gold sounds like Hit Me With Your Best Shot by Pat Benatar.
cool observation I think Metallica played Whisky in the Jar the other show
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I've never made the connection before.
The beginning riff to Johnny has always kind of reminded me of Smooth Criminal.
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Fools Gold - never made the connection to Best Shot but I can see what you mean.
Johnny - also never made the connection to Smooth Criminal but yeah once again I can see what you mean.
As for this album, not my favourite. I love the song Massacre but that is really because of the Live and Dangerous version. The album version is so tame and laid back sounding in comparison.
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The beginning riff to Johnny has always kind of reminded me of Smooth Criminal.
Damnit, now I can't unhear this :lol
I’m sure I’m not the first to notice this, but Fool’s Gold sounds like Hit Me With Your Best Shot by Pat Benatar.
This even more so!! That chord progression is basically Hit Me With Your Best Shot.... :rollin
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I am guessing Phil Lynott was an influence on Steve Harris, right? I get major Maiden vibes from a few of these songs, especially Massacre.
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Yes! There's an undeniable Lizzy's influence on Maiden music...
(and, as Tim pointed out, IM did indeed cover Massacre...)
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I am guessing Phil Lynott was an influence on Steve Harris, right? I get major Maiden vibes from a few of these songs, especially Massacre.
Yeah, Steve Harris has mentioned Lynott being a big influence in various interviews.
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I am guessing Phil Lynott was an influence on Steve Harris, right? I get major Maiden vibes from a few of these songs, especially Massacre.
Thin Lizzy is one of the biggest influences of Iron Maiden. Brian Robertson and Scott Gorham basically perfected the harmonized guitar approach. It's the basis of what Dave Murray and Adrian Smith made famous in the 80's.
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I go back and forth between Johnny the Fox and Jailbreak being my second favorite Thin Lizzy record, both behind Black Rose.
I put it on par with Black Rose, but that means I have 5 other albums ahead of both of them.
Kev, I love Thin Lizzy. I rank them as my #6 all time favorite band.
Thin Lizzy had 12 albums, even though I hardly ever listen to the first three albums and pretty much discount them. Chronologically, Johnny The Fox is the 7th album and the 4th of the 5 classic Brian Robertson Era albums.
It sits right between Jailbreak (which came before) and Bad Reputation (which followed), two albums that I like a lot more. They're both heavier and more consistent.
But I really do enjoy Johnny The Fox. It has a more laid back feel Even the rocking songs like Johnny and Rocky sound a bit tame. Perhaps it's the production. There's a number of really cool mellow and reflective songs. Phil Lynott is really convincing with his emotive storytelling.
My favorite song on the album is Don't Believe A Word.
Def Leppard did a nice cover of it on their Yeah! album (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgM8m1BYvEE)
It's kind of a rocking tune, but Phil original wrote it as a slower piece. You can hear what he envisioned (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENZh04yic1M) on Gary Moore's Back On The Streets album with Phil singing the verses and Gary the chorus.
Another song I really love is Borderline. This is classic Phil. He effectively paints a picture of sitting at a bar, you feel like you're literally sitting there with him. Just a great tune.
The heaviest song is Massacre. It's a great tune, but almost feels out of place on this particular album.
Iron Maiden did a cover as a b-side (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqasEnIZxXU) during the Seventh Son sessions.
All in all, this album feels a tad incomplete. It's the second album they released in 1976, and it just feels pumped out. I just don't think the other "rocking" songs like Johnny, Rocky, and Boogie Woogie Dance (WTF is this?) are on par with the songs on the Jailbreak or Bad Reputation. But Jonnie The Fox is a really nice listen. I do like the softer songs as well like Old Flame and Fool's Gold. I think Phil is fairly captivating on this album.
I don't think this is a great place to start with Thin Lizzy, but it's a good album to pull back the covers and get a glimpse of what makes Phil Lynott such an attraction.
Real nice commentary...I basically agree on all points...
What's your favorite Thin Lizzy album, Tim? Mine might be obvious, but I gotta go with Jailbreak...
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Okay, gotcha. Hard to remember everything I have read in this thread, but the Maiden vibes kept hitting me throughout this first listen. I was a bit surprised by how mellow it was overall, but it sounded pretty good overall. I really like how open the sound is. More listens to come.
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Kev - you mentioned you don't know many of their songs, except for the staples, right?
After this, you should definitely check out, at a minimum, Jailbreak, Bad Reputation, Fighting and Black Rose (the latter with Gary Moore on guitar)...Lynott was such a unique songwriter...even the way he was fitting words and phrases with the music...wonderful stuff.
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Kev - you mentioned you don't know many of their songs, except for the staples, right?
After this, you should definitely check out, at a minimum, Jailbreak, Bad Reputation, Fighting and Black Rose (the latter with Gary Moore on guitar)...Lynott was such a unique songwriter...even the way he was fitting words and phrases with the music...wonderful stuff.
This will have to hit me pretty hard to go down the rabbit hole of checking out other albums right away, as our reviews these days consist of bouncing from one artist to the next, but you never know. I didn't expect to go down the rabbit hole of any of the artists I have gotten into in a big way in the last 5-6 years (XTC, R.E.M, Alanis, Taylor S, Maiden), so we shall see if this becomes a band I cannot pry out of my "CD player."
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Okay, gotcha. Hard to remember everything I have read in this thread, but the Maiden vibes kept hitting me throughout this first listen. I was a bit surprised by how mellow it was overall, but it sounded pretty good overall. I really like how open the sound is. More listens to come.
Not including their first three albums that don't count.. ;D, Johnny The Fox is quite mellow compared to the rest of their catalog, especially what came after. But it has a ton of character.
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What's your favorite Thin Lizzy album, Tim? Mine might be obvious, but I gotta go with Jailbreak...
My favorite is Renegade, followed by Bad Reputation. I'd list Jailbreak or Thunder And Lightning third.
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I am guessing Phil Lynott was an influence on Steve Harris, right? I get major Maiden vibes from a few of these songs, especially Massacre.
Yeah, Steve Harris has mentioned Lynott being a big influence in various interviews.
Like Tim .... Thin Lizzy is a top 3 band for me. Lynott is a DIETY a true Legend,.. THE MAN
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Okay, gotcha. Hard to remember everything I have read in this thread, but the Maiden vibes kept hitting me throughout this first listen. I was a bit surprised by how mellow it was overall, but it sounded pretty good overall. I really like how open the sound is. More listens to come.
Not including their first three albums that don't count.. ;D, Johnny The Fox is quite mellow compared to the rest of their catalog, especially what came after. But it has a ton of character.
:tup :tup
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What's your favorite Thin Lizzy album, Tim? Mine might be obvious, but I gotta go with Jailbreak...
My favorite is Renegade, followed by Bad Reputation. I'd list Jailbreak or Thunder And Lightning third.
, Ch
for me... just being nostalgic it has the be JAILBREAK, Bad Reputation, Fighting, Chinatown, Thunder, Renegade.. id put L A D first but its just too fkn stellar and can not be categorized lol
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The last song on the last Thin Lizzy album is Heart Attack.
These are the lyrics:
Mama, I'm dying of a heart attack, heart attack, heart attack
I love that girl but she don't love me back
My girl, she tells me that we're breaking up, breaking up, breaking up
My heart can't handle the strain that's shaking it
She tried to tell me no so long ago
I would not listen but now I know
Papa, I'm drinking for an overload, overload, overload
The gun in my pocket is all ready to explode
Papa, I'm dying of an overdose, overdose, overdose
I tried to warn you don't come too close
I tried to tell you way back when we were young
I tried to warn you there was something wrong
Mama, I'm dying
Oh Papa, I'm dying, dying, dying, dying, dying
Mama, I'm dying
Oh Papa, I'm dying, dying, dying, dying
Mama, I'm dying
Oh Papa, I'm dying, dying, dying, dying
Mama, I'm dying
Oh Papa, I'm dying, dying, dying, dying
Heart attack
Haunting..
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I agree Tim,... Phil always wrote about his downfall and his wild life... he was unbelievable
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The last song on the last Thin Lizzy album is Heart Attack.
These are the lyrics:
Mama, I'm dying of a heart attack, heart attack, heart attack
I love that girl but she don't love me back
My girl, she tells me that we're breaking up, breaking up, breaking up
My heart can't handle the strain that's shaking it
She tried to tell me no so long ago
I would not listen but now I know
Papa, I'm drinking for an overload, overload, overload
The gun in my pocket is all ready to explode
Papa, I'm dying of an overdose, overdose, overdose
I tried to warn you don't come too close
I tried to tell you way back when we were young
I tried to warn you there was something wrong
Mama, I'm dying
Oh Papa, I'm dying, dying, dying, dying, dying
Mama, I'm dying
Oh Papa, I'm dying, dying, dying, dying
Mama, I'm dying
Oh Papa, I'm dying, dying, dying, dying
Mama, I'm dying
Oh Papa, I'm dying, dying, dying, dying
Heart attack
Haunting..
haunting....Phil Old Town
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXOrak1nhQo&list=RDNXOrak1nhQo&start_radio=1&ab_channel=ThinLizzyLegend
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Old Town is such a great song. I loved the cover the Corrs did on it.
https://youtu.be/Pz167LHlNMA?t=3453
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Old Town is such a great song. I loved the cover the Corrs did on it.
https://youtu.be/Pz167LHlNMA?t=3453
sooooo Phil the walking off by himself down the pier always shook me up... The Rocker
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What I really like about that video is that after going to Dublin, I can totally envision the scene.
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Why Johnnie The Fox?
Probably wants an in with Jimmy the Weed.
You beat me to it! Serves me right for not coming to DTF yesterday!
Anyway, I was a late-comer to Thin Lizzy. I get the hype. The twin guitar attack, and Phil...what a songwriter. The guy is a storyteller. Just a great tone to his voice, witty delivery, and just so much talent. And his bass playing was very underrated, IMO.
Johnny the Fox was my second album Thin Lizzy album purchase after Jailbreak. I love it. I have the entire catalog.
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What I really like about that video is that after going to Dublin, I can totally envision the scene.
Phil is a ROCKSTAR a Rockstar's Rockstar.... the list of who he influenced and bands that came out of Thin Lizzy could be whole thread in itself.
did anyone see that new Phil Lynott movie done by the bass player in U2?
I really like this 4 part piece on Phil and Lizzy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHVHpbAInD0&ab_channel=ZappaIrl
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Spending the morning listening to the Thin Lizzy catalog. Man...this band was so, so good.
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Spending the morning listening to the Thin Lizzy catalog. Man...this band was so, so good.
:tup sooooooooo good....we lost Phil way too young
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I found this pic a while back and I LOVE IT
PHIL AND SIR PAUL 2 of my total favs and fav bass players , singers, songwriters , front men and LEGENDS
https://twitter.com/barneyhurley1/status/1315768685689212930
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I can attest to Jailbreak being excellent and worth the 36 minutes of your time it takes to play the whole thing. I still need to explore some of their other albums, though I think I did start on Johnny the Fox once and didn't finish. Will have to give it another go.
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You beat me to it! Serves me right for not coming to DTF yesterday!
Anyway, I was a late-comer to Thin Lizzy. I get the hype. The twin guitar attack, and Phil...what a songwriter. The guy is a storyteller. Just a great tone to his voice, witty delivery, and just so much talent. And his bass playing was very underrated, IMO.
Johnny the Fox was my second album Thin Lizzy album purchase after Jailbreak. I love it. I have the entire catalog.
(https://media.tenor.com/SqaeuqlxjZ8AAAAM/office-space.gif)
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I had Fools Gold stuck in my head all day. :hat
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It's gold, fool.
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Old Flame feels like a standout as well. That guitar solo just oozes with feel.
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I'm glad you're enjoying it. It's a real nice record.
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Yeah, it's an easy listen. The short length helps, but I dig the overall laid back vibe, and it doesn't feel like anything overstays its welcome or is shortchanged.
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:tup
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I want to like Thin Lizzy so bad, but... I just can't. I love the twin guitar attack, I love Robbo - his Motorhead record is by far my favorite, and I dig Wild Horses with Jimmy Bain - but I can't get past Phil's voice.
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I want to like Thin Lizzy so bad, but... I just can't. I love the twin guitar attack, I love Robbo - his Motorhead record is by far my favorite, and I dig Wild Horses with Jimmy Bain - but I can't get past Phil's voice.
I understand. But man, there's so much great music, but I can see it if a vocalist gets in the way. Speaking of that, I should try and hit the next Yes album.
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I want to like Thin Lizzy so bad, but... I just can't. I love the twin guitar attack, I love Robbo - his Motorhead record is by far my favorite, and I dig Wild Horses with Jimmy Bain - but I can't get past Phil's voice.
I understand. But man, there's so much great music, but I can see it if a vocalist gets in the way. Speaking of that, I should try and hit the next Yes album.
head scratcher for me as I love Phils voice but its all subjective as we know
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Okay, music fans, Jailbreak and Bad Reputation have been purchased and added to my iTunes and iPhone for future listening. :tup :tup
I cannot promise I will get to them in the next day or two, but soon enough. I enjoyed the heck out of Johnny the Fox today when running some errands and decided I needed more, so I took the plunge and grabbed some more. :coolio :coolio
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They're both great albums. Bad Reputation is my second favorite Thin Lizzy album after Renegade. I'd put Jailbreak third, maybe fourth depending on the day, but they are both sweet spots for their "Classic" lineup.
I love this line in Dear Lord:
"Dear Lord take the time
I believe your story now you believe mine"
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I never focus on lyrics early on in a listen, unless they are so good that they jump out at me, but the buddy who recommended Johnny the Fox last month has really talked up Phil Lynott as a lyricist, so I will try to pay a bit more attention to them as time goes on.
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Okay, music fans, Jailbreak and Bad Reputation have been purchased and added to my iTunes and iPhone for future listening. :tup :tup
I cannot promise I will get to them in the next day or two, but soon enough. I enjoyed the heck out of Johnny the Fox today when running some errands and decided I needed more, so I took the plunge and grabbed some more. :coolio :coolio
You won't regret it. The Thin Lizzy rabbit hole I went down a few years back was rewarding. I'm still grabbing a disc here and there that I am missing (I think I just need Black Rose, the self-titled, and Renegade now - I have the rest).
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Tonight there's going to be a jailbreak, somewhere in this town (apparently not necessarily AT the jail). :)
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Tonight there's going to be a jailbreak, somewhere in this town (apparently not necessarily AT the jail). :)
That’s always gotten me. :lol
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I mean, some towns have multiple jails...
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Lizzy and Phil are ROCK GODS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHVHpbAInD0&t=3s&ab_channel=ZappaIrl
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Tonight there's going to be a jailbreak, somewhere in this town (apparently not necessarily AT the jail). :)
The real question is if the guys all went to Dino’s after the jailbreak.
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Tonight there's going to be a jailbreak, somewhere in this town (apparently not necessarily AT the jail). :)
The real question is if the guys all went to Dino’s after the jailbreak.
Id have to say yes that would make sense : )
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I never focus on lyrics early on in a listen, unless they are so good that they jump out at me, but the buddy who recommended Johnny the Fox last month has really talked up Phil Lynott as a lyricist, so I will try to pay a bit more attention to them as time goes on.
Yeah, he's more of a story teller, creating characters, and he's also quite self reflective. I think that's why I like Thin Lizzy and UFO so much because both Phil Lynott and Phil Mogg (UFO's singer) create these worlds and narratives that you can lose yourself in.
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. I'm still grabbing a disc here and there that I am missing (I think I just need Black Rose, the self-titled, and Renegade now - I have the rest).
Renegade is essential. My favorite album by them.
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Kev, I'm pretty sure you fancy yourself as a Pink Floyd guy, so you might be interested to know that Snowy White is in the band for both the Chinatown and Renegade albums.
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I try not to fancy myself as anything :P :lol, but that is still noted.
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I try not to fancy myself as anything :P :lol, but that is still noted.
True. You're anything but fancy. :lol
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. I'm still grabbing a disc here and there that I am missing (I think I just need Black Rose, the self-titled, and Renegade now - I have the rest).
Renegade is essential. My favorite album by them.
It's on the list my man!
Just picked up Chinatown a few weeks back. :metal
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I might give my semiannual (well, usually every couple years) dive back in to Lizzy to see what I'm missing. They've never really clicked for me (primarily because of Phil's voice) but I LOVE Brian Robertson, and people whose taste I trust really dig them so it's likely a "me" thing.
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STUNNING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At_rPiCCnpY
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STUNNING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At_rPiCCnpY
Gary Moore!!! :metal
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Here's Chinatown from the Midnight Special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SP6ZyCZsQM
For someone who never really fit in, Snowy White made two GREAT albums with them.
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For whatever reason, Scott Gorham never gets his due.
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For whatever reason, Scott Gorham never gets his due.
agreed bro agreed
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I love old Lizzy bootleg stuff ,,,, Phil is just the best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1f5ix3LerA
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For anyone interested, I am now loving Jailbreak, Johnny the Fox and Bad Reputation. All have been a regular part of my listening rotation the last few months.
Fighting will be next, but still loving the above three for now.
Running Back, Warriors, Emerald, Fool's Gold, Old Flame, Killer Without a Cause, That Woman's Gonna Break Your Heart and Dear Lord are all some of my favorites. :hat :hat
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"Dear Lord, take the time
I believed your story
Now you believe mine"
Love this line!
Glad to see you pop in.
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"Dear Lord, take the time
I believed your story
Now you believe mine"
Love this line!
Glad to see you pop in.
:tup :tup Sometimes, we all need just time away and/or a breather. :coolio :coolio
Back to the tunes, at this point, Thin Lizzy is pretty locked in as my "late to the party" artist of 2023 (6th year in a row I have had one of those!).
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Jailbreak is a flawless album
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Kev, you being such a big Blue Oyster Cult fan, and now getting into Thin Lizzy....we gotta get you to try some UFO!
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Let's slow that roll. :P Too much to get to first with Thin Lizzy and others, but plenty of time for that eventually.
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Let's slow that roll. :P Too much to get to first with Thin Lizzy and others, but plenty of time for that eventually.
Oh for sure. You got 4 more Thin Lizzy albums after Bad Reputation.
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Johnny the Fox is a fantastic album, one of my favorites of theirs.
Aside from Maiden, I hear lots of Thin Lizzy in KISS music. Not that Kev cares about KISS. :P
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In my attempts to be a less snarky poster, I will resist the urge to take a cheap shot at KISS. :biggrin:
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For anyone interested, I am now loving Jailbreak, Johnny the Fox and Bad Reputation. All have been a regular part of my listening rotation the last few months.
Fighting will be next, but still loving the above three for now.
Running Back, Warriors, Emerald, Fool's Gold, Old Flame, Killer Without a Cause, That Woman's Gonna Break Your Heart and Dear Lord are all some of my favorites. :hat :hat
very happy you are enjoying the Thin Lizzy true greatness Phil is a deity the band is stellar
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In my attempts to be a less snarky poster, I will resist the urge to take a cheap shot at KISS. :biggrin:
I give that a matter of days... :) :) :) :) :) :)
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In my attempts to be a less snarky poster, I will resist the urge to take a cheap shot at KISS. :biggrin:
I give that a matter of days... :) :) :) :) :) :)
Ah, ye of little faith. :P
very happy you are enjoying the Thin Lizzy true greatness Phil is a deity the band is stellar
:hat :hat