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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: ReaperKK on May 03, 2023, 06:00:37 AM
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Alright so with Kev's blessing I'm going to run the favorite drummer countdown. I'm going to start at 25 and see how we do with getting lists.
Please PM your list from 25 to 1 by EOD on May 20th. I'll take them and come up with a cumulative list, the rules will be the same as Kev's previous threads:
The rules:
- Drummers must be listed from 25 to 1 in order (in reverse order), with no ties. No having three drummers at number 12 or anything like that. DO NOT list your drummers with the points total. List them in your order (I will figure out the points on my end).
-Any list submitted with the drummers not numbered will be ignored.
-Anyone wanting to submit a list must do so by the end of day, Saturday, May 20th. I will then begin the countdown shortly thereafter.
-The list will be tallied numerically in a simple way. On each list, whatever drummer is at number 1 gets 25 points, number 2 gets 24 points, number 3 gets 23 points, etc.
-List each drummer by their stage name
-PROOFREAD YOUR LISTS BEFORE SENDING THEM. Any list with the same drummer mentioned twice will be not be counted.
Feel free to post in this thread as well that you have PM'd me, if for no other reason than to bump this back up for others who may want to participate who may not have seen the thread yet.
This ranking engine link below works great if you have too much difficulty making one on your own. You can input all of the drummers you want, and then you pick your favorite of every 1-on-1 matchup and then it spits out your list.
https://www.pubmeeple.com/ranking-engine
Rankings
1. Neil Peart
2. Mike Portnoy (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58324.msg2998734#msg2998734)
3. Gavin Harrison
4. John Bonham (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58324.msg2998335#msg2998335)
5. Mike Mangini
6. Danny Carey (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58324.msg2997970#msg2997970)
7. Marco Minnemann
8. Nicko McBrain (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58324.msg2997631#msg2997631)
9. Phil Collins
10. Bill Bruford (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58324.msg2997244#msg2997244)
11. Nick D'Virgilio
12. Brann Dailor (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58324.msg2997092#msg2997092)
13. Keith Moon
14. Ringo Starr (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58324.msg2996923#msg2996923)
15. Lars Ulrich
16. Dave Lombardo (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58324.msg2996712#msg2996712)
17. Scott Rockenfield
18. Stewart Copeland (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58324.msg2996312#msg2996312)
19. Mark Zonder
20. Martin Lopez (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58324.msg2995856#msg2995856)
21. Carter Beauford
22. Alex Van Halen (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58324.msg2995499#msg2995499)
23. Blake Richardson
24. Bill Ward (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58324.msg2995054#msg2995054)
25(t). Cozy Powell
25(t). Gene Hoglan (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58324.msg2994751#msg2994751)
Lists Received:
Metropolaris
DTwwbwMP
Glasser
TAC
Stadler
Mladen
Puppies_On_Acid
pg1067
lonestar
Fronzie
Kram
HOF
SwedishGoose
Dream Team
Adami
ReaperKK
BRGM
The Realm
wolfking
twosuitsluke
KevShmev
romdrums
hefdaddy42
LithoJazzoSphere
coz
jingle.boy
DragonAttack
Kingly Gizz & Liz Wiz Bizzy
devieira73
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Let's goooooooo
Got a preliminary list ready.... Gonna give it a bit to see how it matures. Also may end up adding Paulina Villarreal after seeing The Warning tomorrow night :biggrin:
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This should be fun, I'll dive into it this week hopefully. :tup
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Nice! Will send in the near future.
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In.
(https://media.tenor.com/2XJzRMExnWIAAAAd/in-the-air-tonight-phil-collins.gif)
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I've shortlisted to 29, let's do this.
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I'm up to 19.
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I'm up to 19.
I can loan you a few if need be...
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I've been going through my music library alphabetically just to make sure I don't miss anyone. I got through C and already have a preliminary list of 20....
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List sent!
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In.
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Dude, no foreshadowing!!!! HAHAHA
(I can tell you he will be VERY high on my list).
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Forgot about him...
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Who is it?
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Really?
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Nah.
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Who is it?
You can hear that gif :lol
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I need three more to get to 25..
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Cool. I'll give this a go.
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I need three more to get to 25..
I’m a drummer. Just sayin.
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I need three more to get to 25..
I’m a drummer. Just sayin.
Ok, well I have Romdrums, Puppies, and now you to close it out.
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I'm in! I already listed 30 in 10 minutes, from the top of my head and in no particular order (about 17 of them I'm sure will make MY final list).
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With the exception of my #3, pretty sure most of my top 10 will show.
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I've actually heard Romdrums; he might get a mention (I think he got a 10/10 in the roulette I ran).
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I've actually heard Romdrums; he might get a mention (I think he got a 10/10 in the roulette I ran).
DON'T YOU DARE UNTIL YOU HEAR ME!
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I made a tentative list a few days ago and have 32 really strong candidates based on past lists I've made. I'll have to dig deeper and think about who I might be overlooking to expand it, and then narrow it back down. Those names will probably be on my honorable mentions list anyway.
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Sitting this one out, but I will follow it probably.
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So I've got my list up to 36, and I'm pretty sure my top 25 is solidified. Just been going through some 'top 10/25/100 drummers of all time/today' lists, just to make sure I've not missed anyone glaringly obvious.
What I find fucking CRAZY is that I can't find my #2 on a single list. As a fairly new and up and coming drummer in a prog band, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. But also, no drummer has ever blown me away and had me completely ENTHRALLED me the way this guy has. I really think he has it all, and my mind generally can't comprehend what he is doing most of the time.
If he doesn't make the final list here I will be surprised. I won't mention his name obviously but if anyone wants to PM me and discuss who they think it might be, go right ahead.
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I shall endeavour to actually submit a list this time.
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Have my list, may still tweak the order a bit but think the 25 are set.
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I'm at 24 without even really thinking too hard.
40 after scanning a couple of lists for reminders of names that slipped my mind. Haven't even gone thru my library to review some of my unheralded faves.
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I'm at 24 without even really thinking too hard.
40 after scanning a couple of lists for reminders of names that slipped my mind. Haven't even gone thru my library to review some of my unheralded faves.
Show off.
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The ranking engine gives a list 1 to 25+
Is there an easy way to reverse the numbers so that 25 is listed first
( I’m a relic)
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List sent. That was tough, but fun. :tup
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The ranking engine gives a list 1 to 25+
Is there an easy way to reverse the numbers so that 25 is listed first
( I’m a relic)
Copy the list on a blank excel spreadsheet. Highlight the list including the numbers and resort it highest to lowest.
And feel the shame of getting tech advice from...me. :lol
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I wasn't sure if I could get a list together, but have 19 listed so far. I can find 6 more, I hope
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^ I’m rooting for that guy
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The ranking engine gives a list 1 to 25+
Is there an easy way to reverse the numbers so that 25 is listed first
( I’m a relic)
Copy the list on a blank excel spreadsheet. Highlight the list including the numbers and resort it highest to lowest.
And feel the shame of getting tech advice from...me. :lol
Cheers mate😃
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I wasn't sure if I could get a list together, but have 19 listed so far. I can find 6 more, I hope
(https://media.giphy.com/media/5ojhyxUmlMhqlVlA3P/giphy.gif)
At one point King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard had two drummers, so only 4 more to find now.
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Just sent my list.
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Got it! 3 lists so far!
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I have drummed up a list and have sent it.
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Do it locally ...
:icy:
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Do it locally ...
:icy:
Drumicoms war!
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That one had already been used by someone else recently, gotta change things up... Also, it has more of a "groan" vibe to it that I was going for.
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Got my list done; I want to stew on it since I don't like a couple of the people that made the final top 25. I mean, I like them but not top 25 material.
Sent!!!
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Got it! 3 lists so far!
Did you get my list? My browser went out at some point yesterday, hopefully the message reached you.
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Got it! 3 lists so far!
Did you get my list? My browser went out at some point yesterday, hopefully the message reached you.
Yup I got it!
We got 6 (haven't done mine yet) lists currently and it's really interesting to see how things are shaking out.
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I've sent my lists too early before, so I'm gonna take my time but I'll get it in well before the due date.
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That's my thing, I make a list then check back on it
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^ I’m rooting for that guy
Best scene from that movie, and probably one of J.K. Simmons best performance.
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I couldn't stand that damn movie. And I love JK Simmons.
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OK, I've narrowed it down to 53 drummers. I just need to put them in order now....This will be hard past my number 1. :corn
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OK, sent!
In the interest of sparking a little pre countdown discussion, of my 25 drummers, their countries of origin are as follows:
Australia - 1
Canada - 1
England - 4
Finland - 1
France - 1
Germany - 2
Greece - 1
Namibia - 1
Norway - 2
Sweden - 1
USA - 10
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Dammit. :lol
*opens up spreadsheet*
USA-14
English-7
German-3
Canada-1
7 of which are no longer with us..
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Fucking Namibia? :lol
I knew I forgot someone. :lol
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I bet every list will have "Canada-1"on it :lol
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Who doesn't love Gil Moore?
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Who doesn't love Gil Moore?
I told Chad and Joe they better do a list this time and not fuck him over like they did with Rik Emmett...
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I bet every list will have "Canada-1"on it :lol
I don't want to spoil anything but let's just say Daniel Adair is doing really well.
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I bet every list will have "Canada-1"on it :lol
DON'T TEMPT STADLER!
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I bet every list will have "Canada-1"on it :lol
DON'T TEMPT STADLER!
:lol
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I bet every list will have "Canada-1"on it :lol
I don't want to spoil anything but let's just say Daniel Adair is doing really well.
Never heard of him.
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Fucking Namibia? :lol
I knew I forgot someone. :lol
Amazing :rollin
My list...
US - 17
Norway - 1
Cuban American - 1
Denmark - 1
England - 1
Sweden - 2
Australia - 1
Finland - 1
I bet every list will have "Canada-1"on it :lol
No Canadian's here ay
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I bet every list will have "Canada-1"on it :lol
I don't want to spoil anything but let's just say Daniel Adair is doing really well.
Never heard of him.
I wonder How You Remind Me. Oh, right.
First draft:
Austria - 1
Belgium - 1
Canada - 1
Germany - 2
Netherlands - 2
Sweden - 2.5
UK - 2
Uruguay - 0.5
US - 13
More US-centric than my vocal and guitarist lists, interesting.
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List sent!
U.S. - 11
England - 10
Germany - 1
Canada - 2
Denmark - 1
M/F - 25/0
Living/Dead - 18/7 (I think)
Righty/lefty/lefty but plays/played righty - 22/1/2 (AFAIK)
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Got my list, but going to take some time figuring out order. That said....
USA - 12
Canada - 1
UK - 5
Netherlands - 1
Sweden - 2
Austria - 1
Germany - 1
Denmark - 1
Ukraine - 1
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My list isn't gonna get any clearer...sent.
Vital Statistics-
UK- 13
US- 6
Japan- 4
Canada- 1
Germany- 1
Male- 22
Female- 3
Alive- 20
Dead- 5
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Uruguay - 0.5
But Rick Allen is English.
I am so sorry.
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I bet every list will have "Canada-1"on it :lol
I don't want to spoil anything but let's just say Daniel Adair is doing really well.
Never heard of him.
I wonder How You Remind Me. Oh, right.
First draft:
Austria - 1
Belgium - 1
Canada - 1
Germany - 2
Netherlands - 2
Sweden - 2.5
UK - 2
Uruguay - 0.5
US - 13
More US-centric than my vocal and guitarist lists, interesting.
Well, I know whow the half Sweden half Uruguay drummer is... :neverusethis:
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I bet every list will have "Canada-1"on it :lol
I don't want to spoil anything but let's just say Daniel Adair is doing really well.
Never heard of him.
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I’ve got my 25, maybe just a couple that aren’t fairly well known.
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I have zero interest in this, but I'll try and scrub up 25, somehow.
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I have zero interest in this, but I'll try and scrub up 25, somehow.
According to Wiki, Judas Priest alone have had 10 drummers. If you like Megadeth, then you got more than enough to choose from. ;D
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I have zero interest in this, but I'll try and scrub up 25, somehow.
According to Wiki, Judas Priest alone have had 10 drummers. If you like Megadeth, then you got more than enough to choose from. ;D
Dave Holland will not be making my list. :lol
The drum machine on Ram it Down might though.
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:lol
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List sent.
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My list includes a drummer for a band who's guitarist made the DTF list, but not mine.
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I have TAC on my list.
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I have TAC on my list.
Early Peter Criss pose.
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Odd snare placement. More of a Phil Collins kit since it's lacking cymbals.
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Odd snare placement. More of a Phil Collins kit since it's lacking cymbals.
My parents got me the drums and set them up like that. I think I just sat down and they took the picture.
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Went ahead and sent. Nationality breakdown:
US: 15
England: 6
Germany: 1
France: 1
New Zealand: 1
Canada: 1
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Another vote for Gil.
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Uruguay - 0.5
But Rick Allen is English.
I am so sorry.
An art gallery near me was featuring some paintings he's done, I badly wanted one of them, but they're out of my range. He makes some serious usage of that limb.
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My list includes a drummer for a band who's guitarist made the DTF list, but not mine.
I’ve got two such drummers on mine (four if you want to stretch the definition of “drummer for a band”).
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Uruguay - 0.5
But Rick Allen is English.
I am so sorry.
An art gallery near me was featuring some paintings he's done, I badly wanted one of them, but they're out of my range. He makes some serious usage of that limb.
List breakdown by number of extremities:
4: 24
3: 1
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Uruguay - 0.5
But Rick Allen is English.
I am so sorry.
An art gallery near me was featuring some paintings he's done, I badly wanted one of them, but they're out of my range. He makes some serious usage of that limb.
Were they charging an arm and a leg?
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Uruguay - 0.5
But Rick Allen is English.
I am so sorry.
An art gallery near me was featuring some paintings he's done, I badly wanted one of them, but they're out of my range. He makes some serious usage of that limb.
List breakdown by number of extremities:
4: 24
3: 1
:lol
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Uruguay - 0.5
But Rick Allen is English.
I am so sorry.
An art gallery near me was featuring some paintings he's done, I badly wanted one of them, but they're out of my range. He makes some serious usage of that limb.
Were they charging an arm and a leg?
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Got a bunch of entries, I'll send PM's as I review the lists :)
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I have TAC on my list.
Early Peter Criss pose.
(https://i.imgur.com/pgBad2G.jpg)
Nice! The "TAC Man" :biggrin:
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I have TAC on my list.
Early Peter Criss pose.
Nice! The "TAC Man" :biggrin:
I get it! My 25 looks to be finalized. Order might need some tweaking over the next two weeks.
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Alright new lists updated and I pm'd everyone I've received a list from so if you didn't get a pm please let me know so I'm not missing you. I'm going to update the OP with the folks I have lists from.
Some stats:
- 150 unique drummers
- 12 lists
- 3 different misspellings of Neil Peart
- 4 people misspelled Marco Minnemann's name but at least they did it in the exact same way :lol
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- 3 different misspellings of Neil Peart
:biggrin: I'd be curious to see what these are...I can see "Neal" being one...but what else? I know his last name gets mispronounced...I guess misspelled too? ;)
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- 3 different misspellings of Neil Peart
:biggrin: I'd be curious to see what these are...I can see "Neal" being one...but what else?
Gil Moore.
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- 3 different misspellings of Neil Peart
:biggrin: I'd be curious to see what these are...I can see "Neal" being one...but what else?
Gil Moore.
Is this Gary's brother?
......no seriously, I know who this is. :biggrin:
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Poor Gil is just getting dragged in this thread
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Gil Moore was a good drummer, but top 25 worthy? We shall see. I am still putting my top 25 together, and he is one who may or may not make the cut. The fact that I have downgraded Triumph in recent years will not help his cause.
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Poor Gil is just getting dragged in this thread
I'm sure he sees the writing on the wall.
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Poor Gil is just getting dragged in this thread
I'm sure he sees the writing on the wall.
You are lost in a world of fantasy if you think he's making the top 25.
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Poor Gil is just getting dragged in this thread
I'm sure he sees the writing on the wall.
You are lost in a world of fantasy if you think he's making the top 25.
It's ok. It's just a game.
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Poor Gil is just getting dragged in this thread
I'm sure he sees the writing on the wall.
You are lost in a world of fantasy if you think he's making the top 25.
It's ok. It's just a game.
We will see what happens as time goes by.
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Poor Gil is just getting dragged in this thread
I'm sure he sees the writing on the wall.
You are lost in a world of fantasy if you think he's making the top 25.
It's ok. It's just a game.
We will see what happens as time goes by.
Yeah, compared to the giants we know will make it, he's basically an ordinary man.
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He might as well say goodbye.
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You still gotta follow your heart.
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You still gotta follow your heart.
And never surrender.
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I got 20 names down quite easily. 5 more shouldn't be hard. Ranking them might be a little tricky though looking at the list.
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I definitely have a few drummers I absolutely love but after that not so easy to really separate them. I'll pull together a list but this is much harder than top vocalists and guitarists.
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I just watched the Triumph Rock n Roll Machine documentary on my flight today. It probably bumped Gil up a few spots … not like he had much room to move. The youngins around here simply can’t appreciate how big Triumph was in the early 80s. I dare say they were bigger than Rush - certainly leading up to and following the Us Festival. He’s definitely top 25 worthy. Such a shame Rik got snubbed from both the guitar and vocalist lists.
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There are probably some others I’d recognize if I heard them, but the only Triumph song I can think of that I know is “Fight the Good Fight.”
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Poor Gil is just getting dragged in this thread
Never Say Never!
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I have zero interest in this, but I'll try and scrub up 25, somehow.
According to Wiki, Judas Priest alone have had 10 drummers. If you like Megadeth, then you got more than enough to choose from. ;D
Dave Holland will not be making my list. :lol
The drum machine on Ram it Down might though.
Dave Holland was strongly considered for my list, and is my favorite Priest drummer (well, Les Binks is pretty damn close). I love those rolling fills on Heading Out To The Highway.
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Dave Holland was strongly considered for my list, and is my favorite Priest drummer (well, Les Binks is pretty damn close). I love those rolling fills on Heading Out To The Highway.
Heading Out To The Highway is my favorite Judas Priest song.
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Uruguay - 0.5
But Rick Allen is English.
I am so sorry.
An art gallery near me was featuring some paintings he's done, I badly wanted one of them, but they're out of my range. He makes some serious usage of that limb.
Were they charging an arm and a leg?
I wanted to continue this, but I'm stumped.
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Uruguay - 0.5
But Rick Allen is English.
I am so sorry.
An art gallery near me was featuring some paintings he's done, I badly wanted one of them, but they're out of my range. He makes some serious usage of that limb.
Were they charging an arm and a leg?
I wanted to continue this, but I'm stumped.
Well, you went out on a limb at least.
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I need three more to get to 25..
I’m a drummer. Just sayin.
Ok, well I have Romdrums, Puppies, and now you to close it out.
Aww...thanks TAC!
My first list had over 50 on it, and whittling it down to 25 was tough. I'm going to try again.
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Got a list of drummers... just gotta rank them
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- 3 different misspellings of Neil Peart
:biggrin: I'd be curious to see what these are...I can see "Neal" being one...but what else? I know his last name gets mispronounced...I guess misspelled too? ;)
I'm guessing "Neal Peart," "Neil Pert" and "Neal Pert." I suppose "Neel" or "Kneel" is also possible.
Looking at my list, I've got 13 guys I'm fairly certain will make the cut. Maybe a couple others, so I'm going to guess somewhere between 12-16 for me.
Also, every guy in my top 8 is/was associated with a band who had both a guitar player and vocalist make those countdowns, and I have two guys who are/were in bands with both a vocalist and guitar player in the top 10. I also have two drummer from bands with a guys whom I had on both my singer and guitarist lists, but none of them did/will make the consensus top 25 in any of the countdowns. I also have a drummer who, while not making the vocalist top 25, probably got a lot of votes.
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- 3 different misspellings of Neil Peart
:biggrin: I'd be curious to see what these are...I can see "Neal" being one...but what else? I know his last name gets mispronounced...I guess misspelled too? ;)
I'm guessing "Neal Peart," "Neil Pert" and "Neal Pert." I suppose "Neel" or "Kneel" is also possible.
Looking at my list, I've got 13 guys I'm fairly certain will make the cut. Maybe a couple others, so I'm going to guess somewhere between 12-16 for me.
Also, every guy in my top 8 is/was associated with a band who had both a guitar player and vocalist make those countdowns, and I have two guys who are/were in bands with both a vocalist and guitar player in the top 10. I also have two drummer from bands with a guys whom I had on both my singer and guitarist lists, but none of them did/will make the consensus top 25 in any of the countdowns. I also have a drummer who, while not making the vocalist top 25, probably got a lot of votes.
I'm not going to count each one, but there's a LOT of BAND overlap between the three lists for me. Not complete overlap, but significant. I think there might be one person that actually overlaps.
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I have two in my top 10 who were also in my top 10 list for vocalists (you guys can probably guess them pretty easily).
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List sent
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8 Great Britain
8 USA
3 Sweden
3 France
1 Netherlands
1 Germany
1 Canada
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I have two in my top 10 who were also in my top 10 list for vocalists (you guys can probably guess them pretty easily).
Well one of them I'm betting is in your profile photo. And I've got a pretty good guess at the other one as well,
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I have two in my top 10 who were also in my top 10 list for vocalists (you guys can probably guess them pretty easily).
Well one of them I'm betting is in your profile photo. And I've got a pretty good guess at the other one as well,
You can see those people? I just assumed that was HOF, his college roommate, his brother, and the guy who lives next door. :)
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I have two in my top 10 who were also in my top 10 list for vocalists (you guys can probably guess them pretty easily).
Well one of them I'm betting is in your profile photo. And I've got a pretty good guess at the other one as well,
You can see those people? I just assumed that was HOF, his college roommate, his brother, and the guy who lives next door. :)
LOL, we would make an interesting group.
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I have two in my top 10 who were also in my top 10 list for vocalists (you guys can probably guess them pretty easily).
Well one of them I'm betting is in your profile photo. And I've got a pretty good guess at the other one as well,
You can see those people? I just assumed that was HOF, his college roommate, his brother, and the guy who lives next door. :)
LOL, we would make an interesting group.
Yeah, I knew that was a professional band in HOF's profile photo. Now mine on the other hand, is my real photo. How about you Stadler, is that your real photo? LOL
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I have two in my top 10 who were also in my top 10 list for vocalists (you guys can probably guess them pretty easily).
Well one of them I'm betting is in your profile photo. And I've got a pretty good guess at the other one as well,
You can see those people? I just assumed that was HOF, his college roommate, his brother, and the guy who lives next door. :)
LOL, we would make an interesting group.
Yeah, I knew that was a professional band in HOF's profile photo. Now mine on the other hand, is my real photo. How about you Stadler, is that your real photo? LOL
Absolutely!!!! :)
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I have two in my top 10 who were also in my top 10 list for vocalists (you guys can probably guess them pretty easily).
Well one of them I'm betting is in your profile photo. And I've got a pretty good guess at the other one as well,
You can see those people? I just assumed that was HOF, his college roommate, his brother, and the guy who lives next door. :)
LOL, we would make an interesting group.
Yeah, I knew that was a professional band in HOF's profile photo. Now mine on the other hand, is my real photo. How about you Stadler, is that your real photo? LOL
Absolutely!!!! :)
I figured it was haha
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Wow, I searched the image to find out it's a wrestler. All this time I thought that was Conleth Hill, who plays Lord Varys in Game of Thrones. :lol
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It's George The Animal Steele. Saw him live in a high school gym in 1982.
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It's George The Animal Steele. Saw him live in a high school gym in 1982.
Dang you guys are on to me. Although I do look a little like him - only my back is hairier lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WZjOdKsiOg
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I hope we are getting a lot of lists for this one!
LET'S GO PEOPLE! :corn
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I think it will be interesting to see whether any band (perhaps I'm thinking of one band in particular) gets multiple drummers in the countdown and, if so, how they rank relative to each other.
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I think it will be interesting to see whether any band (perhaps I'm thinking of one band in particular) gets multiple drummers in the countdown and, if so, how they rank relative to each other.
I've got two from one band, which coincidentally happens to be the same two guys who were also in my top 10 singers...
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I think it will be interesting to see whether any band (perhaps I'm thinking of one band in particular) gets multiple drummers in the countdown and, if so, how they rank relative to each other.
I've got two from one band, which coincidentally happens to be the same two guys who were also in my top 10 singers...
I'm going to stretch my fat ass out on that limb and say you all are not talking about the same band/drummers. :) :) :)
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I think it will be interesting to see whether any band (perhaps I'm thinking of one band in particular) gets multiple drummers in the countdown and, if so, how they rank relative to each other.
I've got two from one band, which coincidentally happens to be the same two guys who were also in my top 10 singers...
I'm going to stretch my fat ass out on that limb and say you all are not talking about the same band/drummers. :) :) :)
Heh, I’ve only ever heard one of the two drummers pg1067 is probably referring to sing.
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I think it will be interesting to see whether any band (perhaps I'm thinking of one band in particular) gets multiple drummers in the countdown and, if so, how they rank relative to each other.
I've got two from one band, which coincidentally happens to be the same two guys who were also in my top 10 singers...
I'm going to stretch my fat ass out on that limb and say you all are not talking about the same band/drummers. :) :) :)
I'm actually curious to whom HOF was referring. I don't know any bands that have/had two drummers sing enough that anyone would consider them top 25 drummers and singers.
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I think it will be interesting to see whether any band (perhaps I'm thinking of one band in particular) gets multiple drummers in the countdown and, if so, how they rank relative to each other.
I've got two from one band, which coincidentally happens to be the same two guys who were also in my top 10 singers...
I'm going to stretch my fat ass out on that limb and say you all are not talking about the same band/drummers. :) :) :)
I'm actually curious to whom HOF was referring. I don't know any bands that have/had two drummers sing enough that anyone would consider them top 25 drummers and singers.
To be fair, one of the two drummers only played on half of one album for this one band and did not sing for that band.
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I have three drummers from one band... none of them in my top singers though
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One thing I want to mention again is please, PLEASE check your spelling. There are a ton of misspellings that a simple google would take care of. Like "Peter Chris" for example, really guys? common...
I don't mind correcting lists as I go but don't get sour if I miss something and your boy loses a spot cause the name is misspelled and skewed the results.
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I think it will be interesting to see whether any band (perhaps I'm thinking of one band in particular) gets multiple drummers in the countdown and, if so, how they rank relative to each other.
I've got two from one band, which coincidentally happens to be the same two guys who were also in my top 10 singers...
I'm going to stretch my fat ass out on that limb and say you all are not talking about the same band/drummers. :) :) :)
I'm actually curious to whom HOF was referring. I don't know any bands that have/had two drummers sing enough that anyone would consider them top 25 drummers and singers.
If you’re not familiar with the band in his profile photo, and specifically the drummer from that band, it would be tough to figure out.
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I think it will be interesting to see whether any band (perhaps I'm thinking of one band in particular) gets multiple drummers in the countdown and, if so, how they rank relative to each other.
I've got two from one band, which coincidentally happens to be the same two guys who were also in my top 10 singers...
I'm going to stretch my fat ass out on that limb and say you all are not talking about the same band/drummers. :) :) :)
I'm actually curious to whom HOF was referring. I don't know any bands that have/had two drummers sing enough that anyone would consider them top 25 drummers and singers.
To be fair, one of the two drummers only played on half of one album for this one band and did not sing for that band.
I know. One of those guys is all OVER my list; the other, sadly, not even considered.
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I think it will be interesting to see whether any band (perhaps I'm thinking of one band in particular) gets multiple drummers in the countdown and, if so, how they rank relative to each other.
I've got two from one band, which coincidentally happens to be the same two guys who were also in my top 10 singers...
I'm going to stretch my fat ass out on that limb and say you all are not talking about the same band/drummers. :) :) :)
I'm actually curious to whom HOF was referring. I don't know any bands that have/had two drummers sing enough that anyone would consider them top 25 drummers and singers.
To be fair, one of the two drummers only played on half of one album for this one band and did not sing for that band.
I know. One of those guys is all OVER my list; the other, sadly, not even considered.
Should be though!
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I think it will be interesting to see whether any band (perhaps I'm thinking of one band in particular) gets multiple drummers in the countdown and, if so, how they rank relative to each other.
I've got two from one band, which coincidentally happens to be the same two guys who were also in my top 10 singers...
I'm going to stretch my fat ass out on that limb and say you all are not talking about the same band/drummers. :) :) :)
I'm actually curious to whom HOF was referring. I don't know any bands that have/had two drummers sing enough that anyone would consider them top 25 drummers and singers.
If you’re not familiar with the band in his profile photo, and specifically the drummer from that band, it would be tough to figure out.
I'm probably not, but the pictures are too small for me to know for sure. :)
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I think it will be interesting to see whether any band (perhaps I'm thinking of one band in particular) gets multiple drummers in the countdown and, if so, how they rank relative to each other.
I've got two from one band, which coincidentally happens to be the same two guys who were also in my top 10 singers...
I'm going to stretch my fat ass out on that limb and say you all are not talking about the same band/drummers. :) :) :)
I'm actually curious to whom HOF was referring. I don't know any bands that have/had two drummers sing enough that anyone would consider them top 25 drummers and singers.
If you’re not familiar with the band in his profile photo, and specifically the drummer from that band, it would be tough to figure out.
I'm probably not, but the pictures are too small for me to know for sure. :)
Have we identified that band? Have we confirmed my guess or is it another band? :) :P) :) :)
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Genesis.
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One thing I want to mention again is please, PLEASE check your spelling. There are a ton of misspellings that a simple google would take care of. Like "Peter Chris" for example, really guys? common...
So you're expecting George Peter John Criscuola?? :lol
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One thing I want to mention again is please, PLEASE check your spelling. There are a ton of misspellings that a simple google would take care of. Like "Peter Chris" for example, really guys? common...
So you're expecting George Peter John Criscuola?? :lol
More likly Gerg P3te Jon Crisscola :lol
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Saw Änglagård yesterday.... Mattias Olsson.... what a muscician. Drummer / percussionist extrordinaire.
Reminds me a lot of Pat Mastllotto in King Crimson altough Mattias was the sole drummer here
Almost ready to update my list
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Genesis.
What about HOF's avatar? Top left could be Mike, but I don't see any "Genesis" in the other three pictures.
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One thing I want to mention again is please, PLEASE check your spelling. There are a ton of misspellings that a simple google would take care of. Like "Peter Chris" for example, really guys? common...
I don't mind correcting lists as I go but don't get sour if I miss something and your boy loses a spot cause the name is misspelled and skewed the results.
Welcome to my world. :lol :lol Enjoy! :P :P
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One thing I want to mention again is please, PLEASE check your spelling. There are a ton of misspellings that a simple google would take care of. Like "Peter Chris" for example, really guys? common...
I don't mind correcting lists as I go but don't get sour if I miss something and your boy loses a spot cause the name is misspelled and skewed the results.
Welcome to my world. :lol :lol Enjoy! :P :P
I'm not sure how anyone would misspell one of their favorite musicians names. Having said that, I hope I didn't accidentally misspell something on my list. :lol
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Genesis.
What about HOF's avatar? Top left could be Mike, but I don't see any "Genesis" in the other three pictures.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m02Do2ShXvI&pp=ygUUYmlnIGJpZyB0cmFpbiBlbXBpcmU%3D
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Genesis.
What about HOF's avatar? Top left could be Mike, but I don't see any "Genesis" in the other three pictures.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m02Do2ShXvI&pp=ygUUYmlnIGJpZyB0cmFpbiBlbXBpcmU%3D
Big Big Train has become my 3rd favorite band of all time, only behind Rush and Dream Theater. NDV is one of my favorite musicians and is top 5 on my drummers list. The other guy also ranked high on my drummers list LOL
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Genesis.
What about HOF's avatar? Top left could be Mike, but I don't see any "Genesis" in the other three pictures.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m02Do2ShXvI&pp=ygUUYmlnIGJpZyB0cmFpbiBlbXBpcmU%3D
Big Big Train has become my 3rd favorite band of all time, only behind Rush and Dream Theater. NDV is one of my favorite musicians and is top 5 on my drummers list. The other guy also ranked high on my drummers list LOL
Oh boy, I completely forgot about NDV. Although I doubt he would have cracked my top 25, he definitely would be in the top 50.
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List sent!
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Got em! Final few days left, 19 lists so far!
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My list is in. Looking forward to this. A few drummers are pretty obvious and then after that will be very interesting to see how it plays out.
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Sent my list :metal
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List sent!
Is yours mostly metal guys like mine? :D
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List sent!
Is yours mostly metal guys like mine? :D
It's probably a safe bet. :lol
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List sent!
Is yours mostly metal guys like mine? :D
Oh, are there other genres eligible are there?
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List sent!
Is yours mostly metal guys like mine? :D
It's probably a safe bet. :lol
HEY! You can't talk! :biggrin:
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List sent!
Is yours mostly metal guys like mine? :D
Oh, are there other genres eligible are there?
The genres eligible are metal, rock, prog, prog rock, prog metal, and one list with a surprising amount of Korean and Japanese metal.
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This forum will have officially jumped the shark if Lars Ulrich makes the top 25.
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List sent!
Is yours mostly metal guys like mine? :D
Oh, are there other genres eligible are there?
The genres eligible are metal, rock, prog, prog rock, prog metal, and one list with a surprising amount of Korean and Japanese metal.
There will be multiple jazz-fusion players on mine.
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List sent!
Is yours mostly metal guys like mine? :D
Oh, are there other genres eligible are there?
The genres eligible are metal, rock, prog, prog rock, prog metal, and one list with a surprising amount of Korean and Japanese metal.
There will be multiple jazz-fusion players on mine.
INVALID!
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Actually, I have one who is more of a technical fusion jazz guy, but still plays a lot of prog and metal haha. I also have one guy from a 90's modern rock band.
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This forum will have officially jumped the shark if Lars Ulrich makes the top 25.
(https://i.imgur.com/GvjMaGD.png)
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This forum will have officially jumped the shark if Lars Ulrich makes the top 25.
I'll be shocked if he doesn't make it.
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This forum will have officially jumped the shark if Lars Ulrich makes the top 25.
He wasn't even on my short list.
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This forum will have officially jumped the shark if Lars Ulrich makes the top 25.
I'll be shocked if he doesn't make it.
Agree.
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This forum will have officially jumped the shark if Lars Ulrich makes the top 25.
He wasn't even on my short list.
Your list probably has crazy ass drummers in obscure metal bands with names I can't pronounce.
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List sent!
Is yours mostly metal guys like mine? :D
Oh, are there other genres eligible are there?
The genres eligible are metal, rock, prog, prog rock, prog metal, and one list with a surprising amount of Korean and Japanese metal.
No Korean, and only two Japanese metal drummers.
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Dammit!
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only two Japanese metal drummers.
But seven Japanese rock drummers, four fusion, three funk, two pop...
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This forum will have officially jumped the shark if Lars Ulrich makes the top 25.
He wasn't even on my short list.
Your list probably has crazy ass drummers in obscure metal bands with names I can't pronounce.
There might be a few.
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only two Japanese metal drummers.
But seven Japanese rock drummers, four fusion, three funk, two pop...
I only got 4 Japanese drummers...
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This forum will have officially jumped the shark if Lars Ulrich makes the top 25.
I'll be shocked if he doesn't make it.
Same. I'd put bad money on it.
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List sent. So difficult to whittle it down to that number of players!
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This forum will have officially jumped the shark if Lars Ulrich makes the top 25.
I'll be shocked if he doesn't make it.
Same. I'd put bad money on it.
Yeah, I think Lars will make it as well.
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I mean, Hetfield made the top guitarist list, so I expect Lars to be there.
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Yeah, but Kirk didn't, and Lars has a far worse reputation in general than Kirk.
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I mean, Hetfield made the top guitarist list, so I expect Lars to be there.
Hrmm, after seeing some Hetfield drumming videos he should really be on this list too
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Yeah, but Kirk didn't, and Lars has a far worse reputation in general than Kirk.
I think just the opposite. Lars was never in danger of being top four for me, but he is in the mix. Kirk never even got a thought.
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There will be multiple jazz-fusion players on mine.
Same.
This forum will have officially jumped the shark if Lars Ulrich makes the top 25.
He certainly won't be darkening the doorstep of my list.
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Really interesting to read the comments about Kirk and Lars and making these lists. This is definitely a case of recency bias. I mean in the 80s Kirk was on the cover of every guitar mag, being hailed as a brilliant innovative guitarist and Lars was all over the drum magazines. Sure Kirk didn't make it in the end on the guitarists list but Lars has a good chance I guess, we are talking favourites here after all.
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I think Kirk is a case of getting complacent. In the 80s he was taking lessons from Joe Satriani and crafted a lot of fairly memorable and classic solos. By the 90s he became overdependent upon the wah pedal and stock pentatonic licks and became sloppy live. It happens to successful people sometimes, they lose the motivation to maintain or improve.
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Lars, in my opinion, was the catalyst for a lot of things regarding drumming, and then a bunch of other drummers took his blue print and ran with it, and he never really evolved beyond that blue print. Whether he makes the consensus 25 or not, you can guarantee he influenced a lot of the drummers that probably will make the top 25.
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Wow, the deadline is really starting to sneak up on me. I had a rough draft ready to go pretty soon after the thread started, but I haven't really made any progress at all on sorting the order out any better. Not sure I'm going to be able to either, I'm pretty happy with who is on it, but I don't like the order at all, yet can't really figure out a better one. I'll probably just send it tonight to have it done regardless.
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I'm not sure whether this is "evolution" or not. I think to the bands I like and listen to, and the VAST majority are not doing thing today that are radically different than from whatever their heyday. Paul McCartney is one of the most revolutionary bass players in rock, but is he REALLY furthering the instrument at this point? He's clearly not playing Jaco lines, but I'm not really ready to call him "complacent".
I have a LOT of criticisms about Kirk; I sometimes wonder what the f--- he's even doing at times. I've heard it posited that he's given up, he's focused more on horror films and his haunted house stuff, he's focused more on weed... whatever. But I wonder if he's just found that balance of his "style" and what the band requires at this time. Not my thing, but that doesn't mean it's bad, only that it's not my thing (honestly, I have a running debate with a guy I work with who reveres Kirk and I have no bones in telling him I'm just not seeing it).
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But I wonder if he's just found that balance of his "style" and what the band requires at this time.
I think this is an appropriate opinion.
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List sent!
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Regarding Lars, he's no way near my favourite drummer these days and he's not been for 20 years but since Maiden and Metallica was my first introduction to metal and also the first two bands I really became a diehard fan of. It would be a disservice to Lars to not mention him since I spent so many hours trying to learn the double pattern in One in my youth. He definitely got me started with alot of things even though I haven't payed attention to his drumming for ages.
However I won't be doing a list even though it would be fun. I just don't have the time to list every drummer I know and then try to rate them, I get exhausted just thinking about it. :lol
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List sent.
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Is it too late to make this a top 60? This is too difficult!
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60??
I can't even name 60 drummers. :lol
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Just rank your top 60 but only send in the top 25, duh! ;D
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Now why didn't I think of that! :tup
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Lars was not physically gifted and not a schooled drummer, but he’s recorded a lot of iconic drum parts.
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60??
I can't even name 60 drummers. :lol
I don't think I'll be able to name 25, which is why I'm not participating. :lol
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I gotta say it's been crazy seeing how close some of these rankings have been, it's wild watching the order change with every list.
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List sent!
me too!
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60??
I can't even name 60 drummers. :lol
I had a list of 34 that I put into the ranking engine. I could probably stretch and come up with 26 other names, but I'd be throwing in joke names (e.g., Ricki Rocket), guys I would have to look up (e.g., the guy from Krokus), or guys who are renowned but I don't listen to (e.g., Buddy Rich).
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Is it too late to make this a top 60? This is too difficult!
I gotta ask, and I don't mean any disrespect here, but are you a fan of hundreds of drummers? Because when I hear favorites, I think the ones that really rise above the rest. And if you have 60 favorite drummers, there must be hundreds to choose from. Maybe you do. Maybe there're hundreds of drummers you're a big fan of. I dunno. But I don't think favorites means every drummer who has done stuff you like, and if I came up with a list of 60 drummers, it'd just be drummers in bands I like, or famous drummers that I respect but don't really love/listen to often, not necessarily drummers I love on their own or that I focus on.
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I think some people have much flatter listening and favorites hierarchies than others. I know people who listen to the same particular album every single day for years, and pretty much just listen to the same dozen favorite artists over and over for the bulk of their listening. I can go months and sometimes years without listening to some of my top favorite artists/albums/guitarists/drummers/vocalists/etc. They're favorites because I've put in significant listening time at various points, but there's probably more I can get out of further listens to them (especially their deeper discographies) than people who more narrowly focus in, and I don't mind it being this way at all. So my #1 or even my #10 on a list I might be in absolute terms less of a fan of them than a lot of super-fans of artists.
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Is it too late to make this a top 60? This is too difficult!
I gotta ask, and I don't mean any disrespect here, but are you a fan of hundreds of drummers? Because when I hear favorites, I think the ones that really rise above the rest. And if you have 60 favorite drummers, there must be hundreds to choose from. Maybe you do. Maybe there're hundreds of drummers you're a big fan of. I dunno. But I don't think favorites means every drummer who has done stuff you like, and if I came up with a list of 60 drummers, it'd just be drummers in bands I like, or famous drummers that I respect but don't really love/listen to often, not necessarily drummers I love on their own or that I focus on.
This is a great point. I know I start my list with the "hey, he/she played some cool shit on THIS album!" but in the cold light of day, with the Ranker engine staring me in the gob, the cream rises to the top. I realize that even shitty Neil Peart (is there such a thing?) - or should I say, a shitty song with Neil Peart on it - carries more weight than that one song, on one album where Herman Rarebell did that neat little fill... or whatever.
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Is it too late to make this a top 60? This is too difficult!
I gotta ask, and I don't mean any disrespect here, but are you a fan of hundreds of drummers? Because when I hear favorites, I think the ones that really rise above the rest. And if you have 60 favorite drummers, there must be hundreds to choose from. Maybe you do. Maybe there're hundreds of drummers you're a big fan of. I dunno. But I don't think favorites means every drummer who has done stuff you like, and if I came up with a list of 60 drummers, it'd just be drummers in bands I like, or famous drummers that I respect but don't really love/listen to often, not necessarily drummers I love on their own or that I focus on.
This is a great point. I know I start my list with the "hey, he/she played some cool shit on THIS album!" but in the cold light of day, with the Ranker engine staring me in the gob, the cream rises to the top. I realize that even shitty Neil Peart (is there such a thing?) - or should I say, a shitty song with Neil Peart on it - carries more weight than that one song, on one album where Herman Rarebell did that neat little fill... or whatever.
Yeah but Herman rocks like Hurricanes, Neil never did that! :neverusethis:
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Herman's best albums were with the other Schenker.
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Herman's best albums were with the other Schenker.
Herman Ze German solo album totally shits on anything Scorps ever did! :rollin
Kidding obviously.
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Is it too late to make this a top 60? This is too difficult!
I gotta ask, and I don't mean any disrespect here, but are you a fan of hundreds of drummers? Because when I hear favorites, I think the ones that really rise above the rest. And if you have 60 favorite drummers, there must be hundreds to choose from. Maybe you do. Maybe there're hundreds of drummers you're a big fan of. I dunno. But I don't think favorites means every drummer who has done stuff you like, and if I came up with a list of 60 drummers, it'd just be drummers in bands I like, or famous drummers that I respect but don't really love/listen to often, not necessarily drummers I love on their own or that I focus on.
I agree with this take. You start getting into 100s of drummers and you end up with guys that played on 1 or 2 albums.
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Out of curiosity how did you rate your drummers? Pure technicality? Simply a member of your favorite band?
Speaking for myself technical chops are a huge part of it but I always prefer players that pepper their talents rather than go full balls to the wall..
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For me, I didn't really rate technical chops hardly at all. I went with my favorite bands for the most part because the drumming really plays a big part in them.
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Same way I rate my guitarists for the most part.
1) Do I think about them when I play drums and try to channel their style/grooves/fills?
2) Do they make me want to play drums when I hear them?
3) Am I just completely fascinated watching/listening to them?
Those are the main three things. Tons of bands I love who have great drummers but I don't think specifically about the drums, so they don't make my cut.
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Out of curiosity how did you rate your drummers? Pure technicality? Simply a member of your favorite band?
Speaking for myself technical chops are a huge part of it but I always prefer players that pepper their talents rather than go full balls to the wall..
Overall life impact. How much did each drummer influence and change the musical world I live in.
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If Dorothea Taylor isn't top 10, you're all cowards.
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If Dorothea Taylor isn't top 10, you're all cowards.
Same with Sheila E.
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If Dorothea Taylor isn't top 10, you're all cowards.
I have no idea who that is.
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If Dorothea Taylor isn't top 10, you're all cowards.
I have no idea who that is.
Last Hammerfall drummer.
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If Dorothea Taylor isn't top 10, you're all cowards.
I have no idea who that is.
Last Hammerfall drummer.
I am so psyched to see Hammerfall this weekend.
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If Dorothea Taylor isn't top 10, you're all cowards.
I have no idea who that is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wkCsnFRuwg&t=4s
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If Dorothea Taylor isn't top 10, you're all cowards.
I have no idea who that is.
Last Hammerfall drummer.
I am so psyched to see Hammerfall this weekend.
Enjoy! Pics please? :metal
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If Dorothea Taylor isn't top 10, you're all cowards.
I have no idea who that is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wkCsnFRuwg&t=4s
Fucking love everything about this.
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Oh, the drumming grandmother.. I've seen her before.
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I don't really factor technical ability into these lists. By my tastes I do tend to be drawn towards musicians with a lot of it, but I need a certain amount of control and restraint in the deployment of it, and some creative flair. There are tons of chops monsters that I like on some level, but are a bit too clinical for me to make my list. Mostly it's just about who do I enjoy listening to (and sometimes watching) the most. I do also tend to be drawn towards players who play somewhat larger kits and incorporate a variety of types of cymbals and often different sizes of toms and such. I like the variety of sounds, even the tightest groove on a 2-piece kit can only do so much for me.
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Yeah, this isn’t any different for me from how I did my vocalist and guitarist lists. Just asked myself which guys do I enjoy listening to the most. Obviously there are guys who mean more than others, and a few which are more “I really like what they did on that one album.” I don’t play drums, but I’ve always paid a lot of attention to drums in music, so I definitely have my favorite players and moments.
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Last day for any stragglers!
I'll be starting this up Monday morning.
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Can't wait to see one of my top drummers again in a little more than a week.
Just now watching a DVD from the tour when I last saw him, about ten years ago.
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How many are we at so far Reap?
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How many are we at so far Reap?
All of them.
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How many are we at so far Reap?
All of them.
So Hall Monitor TAC now extends to making it compulsory for all DTF members to submit a top 25 drummer list? This I can get behind.
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How many are we at so far Reap?
All of them.
So Hall Monitor TAC now extends to making it compulsory for all DTF members to submit a top 25 drummer list? This I can get behind.
Need a mod to make that one an official title.
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How many are we at so far Reap?
All of them.
So Hall Monitor TAC now extends to making it compulsory for all DTF members to submit a top 25 drummer list? This I can get behind.
Need a mod to make that one an official title.
I hope he gets a sequinned sash as well!
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OK, let me get my predictions down...
25- Should be there
24- Nope
23- Mayyybeee
22- Definitely not, and a damn shame too
21- Lock
20- Should make the list
19- Lock
18- They'd be on everyone's list if they heard them
17- Yeah
16- Probably
15- Lock
14- Might make it, definitely worthy
13- Unfortunately no
12- Lock
11- Another unfortunately no
10- Lock
9- Not too sure...we'll see
8- Lock
7- Lock
6- No, and I hate you all that they won't make it
5- Lock
4- See #6, multiply by 1000
3- Yeah
2- Lock
1- Lock
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Last minute Joe just sent. Lol
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Goddammit! I forgot Might Make It, Definitely Worthy.
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OK, let me get my predictions down...
Good idea.
25 Maybe...not sure
24 Probably not
23 I'd say 60-70% chance no
22 Probably
21 Probably not
20 Probably not
19 90% yes
18 Nein
17 Absolutely should be, but I'm thinking less than 50/50
16 Nope
15 Not even a little chance
14 No way, eh
13 90+% yes
12 Not a chance
11 Nope
10 I think yes, only about 60% sure
9 Should be...75+% likely
8 75+% likely
7 50/50
6 Hmmm...really not sure, but I think less than 50/50
5 Same band as #8 - one of them should make it, if not both
4 90+% yes
3 Lock
2 Might sneak in around 21-25
1 Lock for top 3
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If Dorothea Taylor isn't top 10, you're all cowards.
I had to decide between her and Meytal Cohen.
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OK, let me get my predictions down...
Good idea.
Hmm, OK, I'm game.
25. Most likely not
24. Unlikely, but should be considered by anyone that's listened to them
23. Should be a lock, but probably forgotten about by everyone
22. The speed mixed with technicality alone should make them a worthy consideration, but won't make most lists
21. I'm the only one with this drummer on my list....ask me how I know...
20. No chance
19. I can think of a couple other people that might have them on their lists
18. Should be a lock
17. This drummer gets a bad rap from some, but shouldn't, and won't make the list most likely
16. Could potentially make the list in another 10-15 years
15. Odds are probably less than 25%
14. Odds are probably more than 25%
13. 50/50 shot that they were considered by other people
12. A snowball's chance in hell
11. Nope
10. See 21
9. Extremely unlikely
8. Perhaps a small chance
7. Definite lock
6. Possible chance of just making it in the bottom third
5. See above
4. Should make it
3. Better make it
2. Definitely might make it
1. See 7
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If Dorothea Taylor isn't top 10, you're all cowards.
I had to decide between her and Meytal Cohen.
For some reason people treat her like a joke, but seeing her cover of Tool's "46 & 2" got me to start taking drums a lot more seriously awhile back.
OK, let me get my predictions down...
Maybe I'll try it this time.
25 - not a chance
24 - he has connections that should make people take more notice of him, but I doubt it'll help much
23 - no way
22 - absolutely not
21 - not likely, but perhaps the clinical chops monster that I like the most
20 - doubtful
19 - be surprised if he's not on there
18 - no chance in hell
17 - I'd be pretty surprised
16 - outside shot I guess
15 - similar to #24, a bit of a chance I suppose, but I'm not confident
14 - not counting on it
13 - nope
12 - unlikely
11 - most likely not
10 - fat chance
9 - he should be, but he'll get overlooked
8 - stone cold lock
7 - would bet a year's salary on it
6 - fairly likely
5 - very unlikely, which is a shame
4 - possible, but I wouldn't bank on it
3 - absolutely no chance
2 - pretty unlikely, but I'd love to think opinions have shifted due to [redacted]
1 - possible I suppose, but it's hard to say
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If Dorothea Taylor isn't top 10, you're all cowards.
I had to decide between her and Meytal Cohen.
For some reason people treat her like a joke, but seeing her cover of Tool's "46 & 2" got me to start taking drums a lot more seriously awhile back.
I only mentioned her because, if my brief investigation of Dorothea Taylor was accurate, they're basically the same person, separated by 40+ years of age.
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If Dorothea Taylor isn't top 10, you're all cowards.
I had to decide between her and Meytal Cohen.
For some reason people treat her like a joke, but seeing her cover of Tool's "46 & 2" got me to start taking drums a lot more seriously awhile back.
I only mentioned her because, if my brief investigation of Dorothea Taylor was accurate, they're basically the same person, separated by 40+ years of age.
Yup...there's tons of really talented female drummers to follow on YT. I find a good deal by following the Hit Like A Girl contest, an annual contest celebrating female drummers. Some amazing talent comes through that one, including that 7 year old that covered Haken for her submission (she actually takes lessons from Ray), she just finished her cover of Messiah Complex at 8...while I sit here and binge Battlestar Galactica for the 4th time at 53 :lol
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Time left for some more lists, as of now we got 28 lists with 244 unique drummers*
*Drummer count may change as I correct spelling tomorrow
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she just finished her cover of Messiah Complex at 8...while I sit here and binge Battlestar Galactica for the 4th time at 53 :lol
Heck, there's time for both. Maybe not at 8 years old anymore, but it's never too late, and BSG is an amazing binge.
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she just finished her cover of Messiah Complex at 8...while I sit here and binge Battlestar Galactica for the 4th time at 53 :lol
Heck, there's time for both. Maybe not at 8 years old anymore, but it's never too late, and BSG is an amazing binge.
I appreciate your positivity, but it probably isn't happening :lol
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25. His reputation should put him on here
24. No chance in hell
23. I highly doubt it.
22. perhaps?
21. Should be, but most will probably overlook him
20. Maybe?
19. Legend, but won't make it
18. Fo sho
17. Doubt it
16. Nope
15. Prolly not
14. Dunno… maybe?
13. Nope
12. Even the fans of this band have probably forgotten about him
11. should be, but doubt it
10. He's gotta be there
9. Nada
8. Possibly
7. Fo sho
6. Nope
5. Not gonna happen ('specially if Joe/RJ didn't put him on their lists)
4. He better be
3. Him too (I'm bothered by your lack of faith, RJ)
2. Guaran-damn-teed
1. As for sure as death and taxes
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Hmmm, since I am not running this countdown, I get to play this game now as well.
25 Outside chance
24 1,000 to 1 odds he makes it
23 Probably no chance in hell
22 Decent shot, but I won't be surprised if we do not see him
21 Pretty good chance considering how popular his band is here
20 Very likely to make it
19 Better than average chance
18 1,000,000 to 1 odds he makes it
17 Very unlikely
16 Very unlikely, but likely would have here 15 years ago
15 2 to 1 chance to make it
14 Very little shot
13 Extremely likely
12 I'd be stunned if he doesn't make it
11 Solid chance, but could see a bit of overshadowing hurting his chances
10 Highly doubtful
09 Likely to not make a lot of lists, but should finish high enough on some to make it
08 A stone cold lock
07 Solid shot
06 Highly unlikely, and it will be the crime of the century when he is left off
05 100% lock
04 100% lock
03 Almost no chance
02 100% lock
01 100% lock
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Man it's a lot of fun seeing your assumptions against the lists. :lol
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Man it's a lot of fun seeing your assumptions against the lists. :lol
Well then I'm game....
25 highly likely
24 no way
23 probsbly
22 no chance
21 slight possibility
20 possible
19 slight possibility
18 doubt it, but he should
17 possible
16 probably not
15 possible
14 possible
13 sadly not a chance
12 doubt it
11 no way in hell
10 definitely
9 possible
8 possible
7 possible
6 sadly not a chance
5 definitely
4 definitely
3 high probability
2 sadly I don't think he will make but he should
1 Locked in here....
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06 Highly unlikely, and it will be the crime of the century when he is left off
This is a very non subtle hint if it's who I think it is ;)
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06 Highly unlikely, and it will be the crime of the century when he is left off
This is a very non subtle hint if it's who I think it is ;)
I thought the exact same thing.
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06 Highly unlikely, and it will be the crime of the century when he is left off
This is a very non subtle hint if it's who I think it is ;)
I thought the exact same thing.
Taylor Swift. :lol
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Check out Junna!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b_nXz4uyQVY
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06 Highly unlikely, and it will be the crime of the century when he is left off
This is a very non subtle hint if it's who I think it is ;)
I thought the exact same thing.
Taylor Swift. :lol
(https://media.tenor.com/2rum7-2mGoMAAAAC/taylor-swift-lover-music-video.gif)
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That’s a sick beat.
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I don’t expect more than a handful of mine to make the top 25, though I could see anywhere from 7-10 guys being close.
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Check out Junna!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b_nXz4uyQVY
Junna is amazing. So many ridiculously talented Japanese drummers, shame I only had room for four on my list.
One to keep an eye on is Kii Kamura..
https://youtu.be/ZgI90jaO-JI (https://youtu.be/ZgI90jaO-JI)
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One to keep an eye on is Kii Kamura..
https://youtu.be/ZgI90jaO-JI (https://youtu.be/ZgI90jaO-JI)
WOW! :lol
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Yeah, the kid drummers are just way too fun to watch. Here's another, 9 year old Luke Jozsua covering LTE...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkD06ZlAsVQ&ab_channel=JamesKnoerl (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkD06ZlAsVQ&ab_channel=JamesKnoerl)
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One to keep an eye on is Kii Kamura..
https://youtu.be/ZgI90jaO-JI (https://youtu.be/ZgI90jaO-JI)
WOW! :lol
Having so much fun!
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One to keep an eye on is Kii Kamura..
https://youtu.be/ZgI90jaO-JI (https://youtu.be/ZgI90jaO-JI)
WOW! :lol
Having so much fun!
Yeah, her joy is so damn infectious. It was kind of hard to leave here off my list but a few dozen videos just doesn't constitute a career :rollin
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Just wait 'til lonestar finds the 2-year-old Asian girls playing Rachmaninoff...
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Just wait 'til lonestar finds the 2-year-old Asian girls playing Rachmaninoff...
The FBI is looking into RJ. :lol
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To each their own, but I cannot imagine putting someone on the list who is a YT sensation who just covers songs. You need to be a good drummer and playing original songs of your own (or your band's) to be worthy, IMO.
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To each their own, but I cannot imagine putting someone on the list who is a YT sensation who just covers songs. You need to be a good drummer and playing original songs of your own (or your band's) to be worthy, IMO.
That's why I didn't.
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Alright lets kick this shit off with two drummers I've never heard of before, both tying at:
25 - Gene Hoglan (t)
Appeared on 8 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 6 (Metropolaris)
3 Top 10 Finishes
Again another drummer whose work with Testament, however I haven't listened to that much Testatment
25 - Cozy Powell (t)
Appeared on 7 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 5 (DTwwbwMP)
5 Top 10 Finishes
Looking him up this guy has one hell of a resume, I've definitely heard some of his work before but never did the work to find out who it is.
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0/2
Had Powell on a longer list though.
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0/2 for me though I know Cozy very well.
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I enjoy Cozy's work, but his drumming on its own never really struck me. Fun way to start the list, though. :tup
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Had Hoglan because of his work in Dark Angel and Death, not Testament.
Think I had Cozy in there too, Reaper would you mind shooting my list back to me in the PMs so I can reference it? Thanks a mil.
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0 / 2
Had Cozy just outside of the 25
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I have seen these names on the 'net before, but I am not familiar with either as far as I know.
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Cozy made my short list, but not the top 25. Never was a fan of Testament. Must be a pretty diverse batch of drummers we collectively submitted if being in 7 and 8 lists is all it took to crack the top 25.
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Had Hoglan because of his work in Dark Angel and Death, not Testament.
Think I had Cozy in there too, Reaper would you mind shooting my list back to me in the PMs so I can reference it? Thanks a mil.
This alone would have put him on my list - I love those albums and consider them to be the second best iteration of the band. Glad to see he made it, he's a beast.
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Had Hoglan because of his work in Dark Angel and Death, not Testament.
Think I had Cozy in there too, Reaper would you mind shooting my list back to me in the PMs so I can reference it? Thanks a mil.
You gotta clear out your inbox first ;)
Cozy made my short list, but not the top 25. Never was a fan of Testament. Must be a pretty diverse batch of drummers we collectively submitted if being in 7 and 8 lists is all it took to crack the top 25.
Not only diverse but rankings where all over the place for most drummers.
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Don’t think I’ve heard any of Hoglan’s work, have probably heard something by Powell given the bands he’s played with, but certainly not familiar with his playing. I definitely know of him though.
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Curious ... how many distinct names were submitted?
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I gotta check when I get home to my PC but at last count it was 244 (going off memory here) but it's slightly less now because I cleaned up misspellings
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I can't believe The Atomic Clock isn't higher, or at least better known around these parts.
Let's not forget the SYL, as well as the Testament and Death etc
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Cozy Powell played in so many great hard rock albums and his drumming had a great good taste and heaviness. Great albums with him on it and very good exemples of his work: Rainbown - Raising; MSG; Whitesnake - Slide It In; and Black Sabbath - Headless Cross.
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Had both on my larger list. Gene's playing with Strapping Young Lad was phenomenal. Also got to see him pull double duty on a show where Testament was opening for Anthrax. He played Testament's set and then sat in for Charlie with Anthrax because Charlie's mom had just passed. Tore it up on both sets!! Super nice guy, too.
Cozy Powell made my list largely due to ELPowell. I was 8 years old when that album came out, and my Dad was a huge ELP fan. We were both blown away at how big Cozy's drum sound was compared to Carl Palmer, and it gave that album so much weight. My Dad also took me to the Richfield Coliseum outside of Cleveland to see them on that tour for my 9th birthday. It was such a killer show! It's a shame that band couldn't hold it together for another album or two.
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25 Reasonable chance, depending.
24 No chance in hell; there are other drummers IN HIS BAND that might, though.
23 He's either going to be in someone's top ten or not on the list, so probably won't make the final.
22 No chance. I might take some crap for this one.
21 No chance; most people won't know who he is.
20 No chance.
19 No chance (part of what will possibly be the only "father/son" pair on anyone's list)
18 No chance, due to this band being a pariah around here.
17 60-40 he makes it.
16 Probably no chance, but a crying shame. The man is a mule.
15. Slim chance; he is arguably my vote for best drummer in his genre, though there's another guy that gets all the press.
14 One of three guys from a certain band to make my list; probably won't make the final.
13 90% lock
12 100% lock
11 Slim chance; the other guy who replaced him has a better shot.
10 Should be a 100% lock; this forum? 50-50 at best.
9 Cozy Powell
8 No. 11's "other guy". Should be 70-30 to make it.
7 Sadly, no chance.
6 Sadly, probably no chance; he's a pale shell of his former self, but some of his early live work is incendiary.
5 SHOULD BE 100% lock.
4 100% lock
3 100% lock
2 100% lock
1 100% lock and my guess for Number One overall.
NR: Gene Hoglan; good player, not on my radar since I find much of SYL to be unlistenable.
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Gene Gene the Drumming Machine :metal
I like Rainbow Rising, which has some killer drumming. That’s all I’ve heard from Mr. Powell though. Not enough for him to make my list.
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0/2 but both great drummers.
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24 Cozy Powell #10 (same as TAC!)
Became big in my world for his work with Brian May, and then I checked out a lot of his earlier efforts. A few pix included in my Queen discography regarding his way too early death.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57201.msg2932389#msg2932389
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Gene Hoglan - Between his work with Dethklok, Death, Strapping Young Lad, Devin Townsend Band, Testament, and numerous guest spots, The Atomic Clock absolutely deserves tk be on this list. Not to mention Dave Lombardo sites him as a major influence on his drumming style. I had him at #8. Thought I would have the top spot, glad I'm not the only one that thinks he is deserving to be among the greats!
Cozy Powell - I've heard numerous albums that he has played in, but he never grabbed my attention as a drummer. He always just faded into the background for me. Unranked.
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0/2 for me, no surprise there lol
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I like the first Rainbow record, which has some killer drumming. That’s all I’ve heard from Mr. Powell though. Not enough for him to make my list.
He’s not on the first Rainbow album.
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0/2 for me, no surprise there lol
I bet we have a few similar pics that others wont have on their lists.
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Did not submit the list, but I know Cozy Powell and he would've made my list for sure. So I'll say I'm 1/2.
Never heard of the other guy.
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I like the first Rainbow record, which has some killer drumming. That’s all I’ve heard from Mr. Powell though. Not enough for him to make my list.
He’s not on the first Rainbow album.
My mistake, I thought Rising was the first album.
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24 - Gene Hoglan (t)
24 - Cozy Powell (t)
One of two is how I think this is going to go for me. I was about to say I didn't know who Gene Hoglan was, but I have this vague memory that Dark Angel practiced at the same facility my band did at some point. I remember one of the guys in my band said there was this huge guy carrying a crazy amount of drums by himself. Be that as it may, if I've ever heard anything this guy did, I don't know it.
I had Cozy Powell at #7. Awesome player, and I always thought he had a cool look. He's done TONS of stuff, but his work with Rainbow should get him a spot on the list by itself.
25 Maybe...not sure
24 Probably not
23 I'd say 60-70% chance no
22 Probably
21 Probably not
20 Probably not
19 90% yes
18 Nein
17 Absolutely should be, but I'm thinking less than 50/50
16 Nope
15 Not even a little chance
14 No way, eh
13 90+% yes
12 Not a chance
11 Nope
10 I think yes, only about 60% sure
9 Should be...75+% likely
8 75+% likely
7 Cozy Powell
6 Hmmm...really not sure, but I think less than 50/50
5 Same band as #8 - one of them should make it, if not both
4 90+% yes
3 Lock
2 Might sneak in around 21-25
1 Lock for top 3
Not ranked: Gene Hoglan
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24 - Gene Hoglan (t)
24 - Cozy Powell (t)
One of two is how I think this is going to go for me. I was about to say I didn't know who Gene Hoglan was, but I have this vague memory that Dark Angel practiced at the same facility my band did at some point. I remember one of the guys in my band said there was this huge guy carrying a crazy amount of drums by himself. Be that as it may, if I've ever heard anything this guy did, I don't know it.
I had Cozy Powell at #7. Awesome player, and I always thought he had a cool look. He's done TONS of stuff, but his work with Rainbow should get him a spot on the list by itself.
25 Maybe...not sure
24 Probably not
23 I'd say 60-70% chance no
22 Probably
21 Probably not
20 Probably not
19 90% yes
18 Nein
17 Absolutely should be, but I'm thinking less than 50/50
16 Nope
15 Not even a little chance
14 No way, eh
13 90+% yes
12 Not a chance
11 Nope
10 I think yes, only about 60% sure
9 Should be...75+% likely
8 75+% likely
7 Cozy Powell
6 Hmmm...really not sure, but I think less than 50/50
5 Same band as #8 - one of them should make it, if not both
4 90+% yes
3 Lock
2 Might sneak in around 21-25
1 Lock for top 3
Not ranked: Gene Hoglan
To this day, the parts of the "Slow 'An Easy" video with Cozy are very cool.
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Since we're guessing who might make it from our own lists, here's my guesses:
25. Maybe?
24. Possibly maybe? Probably not.
23. No idea
22. Likely, I think
21. Highly Likely
20. Likely
19. Who knows?
18. Probably
17. Highly Likely.
16. Possibly
15. Good chance, but not definite.
14. Probably not.
13. Likely.
12. With this crowd, yes.
11. Possibly, but like 50/50 at best.
10. Likely.
9. He should be mandatory listening.
8. Likely.
7. Maybe.
6. Lock.
5. Should be a lock.
4. Likely.
3. Likely.
2. He better be a lock.
1. Lock.
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I always regarded Cozy as a solid drummer with a fairly limited bag of tricks. That said, he was so good at what he did he'd have easily made my 25. He was one of those guys that never really called much attention to himself, but played everything flawlessly every time. When somebody refers to a drummer as a machine Cozy is what they were talking about. You listen to some of the old Rainbow live shows and he was just a beast from beginning to end.
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24 - Gene Hoglan (t)
Appeared on 8 of 28 lists
Highest Finish: 6 (Metropolaris)
3 Top 10 Finishes
24 - Cozy Powell (t)
Appeared on 7 of 28 lists
Highest Finish: 5 (DTwwbwMP)
5 Top 10 Finishes
Gene Hoglan - unranked and surprised to see Gene make it. Really shows that metal is possibly going to be a strong influence on the list if this is anything to go by.
Cozy Powell - unranked. Not a favourite of mine but a great drummer.
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24 - Gene Hoglan (t)
Appeared on 8 of 28 lists
Highest Finish: 6 (Metropolaris)
3 Top 10 Finishes
24 - Cozy Powell (t)
Appeared on 7 of 28 lists
Highest Finish: 5 (DTwwbwMP)
5 Top 10 Finishes
I had Gene Hogland at #24. The guy is an absolute beast. I can't say I love many albums that he is on, but if I hear he's on an album, I give it a listen.
I had Cozy Powell at #10. I mean, he makes the list just for Rainbow's On Stage live album. He's played on so many iconic albums, including MSG, which a Top 5 album for me.
I've saw Cozy twice, the first with ELPowell in 1986, and the second time with Brian May in 1993.
We actually met him after the ELP show as he was getting into an awaiting car.
(https://i.imgur.com/aUqWvkh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QfW2kOx.jpg)
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Didn't get around to sending a list, but these two are a great start...
I can't claim to know Cozy Powell's body of work super-well, but even just his drumming on Rainbow's Rising and Long Live Rock 'N' Roll is pretty iconic. As for more recent performances (relatively speaking) his work on Malmsteen's Facing the Animal is super-tasty too...hard-hitting as usual, but with a lot of flair too (the album is probably the last Malmsteen album worth listening to ;)) Looking at the year, that must've been one of his last...
Gene Hoglan is fantastic. First I heard of him was on Death's Individual Thought Patterns. So, so good. Intricate, fast drumming, but he made it sound pretty effortless and "loose", if that makes any sense (even though it was super tight!). Lots of great stuff (including Dark Angel, of course, which was truly his band), but ITP and Symbolic is really where it's at in terms of Hoglan's best drumming for me.
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Turns out Hoglan played on Terria, one of my favorite albums ever. D'oh! I guess it shows how little I pay attention to who the other players are on Devin's albums.
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Turns out Hoglan played on Terria, one of my favorite albums ever. D'oh! I guess it shows how little I pay attention to who the other players are on Devin's albums.
Yeah, I was gonna say, I could have sworn you were familiar with Hoglan.
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Turns out Hoglan played on Terria, one of my favorite albums ever. D'oh! I guess it shows how little I pay attention to who the other players are on Devin's albums.
Yeah, I was gonna say, I could have sworn you were familiar with Hoglan.
Yes, Hoglan has been prolific and played on many albums from many different artists. I actually don't really even associate him with one band, I've always felt he was a 'gun for hire'. This aspect made it hard for me to actually rank him as a favourite but no doubt he is a beast behind the kit.
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I should add for those not aware, that Hoglan is a GREAT lyricist. His lyrics especially on albums like Time Does Not Heal and Scars by Dark Angel. One that stands out is the title track of TDNH about a girl who had been molested.
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Hoglan is on my honorable mentions list. Definitely more of a mercenary player, but his work on Death's Symbolic alone should have him in contention. He's also a monster on Fear Factory's Mechanize.
Cozy Powell is solid, just not someone I gave a lot of consideration to.
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Nice start. I had Gene at 24 and Cozy at 23.
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I gotta ask, and I don't mean any disrespect here, but are you a fan of hundreds of drummers? Because when I hear favorites, I think the ones that really rise above the rest. And if you have 60 favorite drummers, there must be hundreds to choose from. Maybe you do. Maybe there're hundreds of drummers you're a big fan of. I dunno. But I don't think favorites means every drummer who has done stuff you like, and if I came up with a list of 60 drummers, it'd just be drummers in bands I like, or famous drummers that I respect but don't really love/listen to often, not necessarily drummers I love on their own or that I focus on.
Sorry for the late reply, but no. I've been hitting things with sticks for almost 40 years now and absorbing a variety of music for longer. When I do, naturally, the drums are where I focus much of my attention. While making up my initial list, 59 names were put down which I legit thought could potentially make my 25 favorites. I wouldn't say that I'm a FAN of even a hundred. Hundreds I am aware of and respect their work, yes. First two revealed today fit that bill for me.
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I'm 0/2. Appreciate both, but can't call either a fave. No Cozy for the coz!
25. I think this maniac will be picked
24. Dirty chance he'll make it
23. Pretty sure you'd say "who"?
22. I miss this guy. Wish he was still with us. Not gonna make it here. :'(
21. This weirdo won't make it. 40 years and 14 studio albums with the same original quartet. Impressive stuff.
20. A unique cat whose style is highly revered in drumming circles. Not sure here though.
19. Huge name. Guaranteed pick.
18. Spicy lefty. He has a shot.
17. In 2005, a no-brainer to be on here. Today. Maybe?
16. Probably won't be here. It's a crime.
15. 100% this monster's here.
14. Brother of a legend on one of our other lists. Won't be surprised if he makes this list.
13. Groove metal master. Won't make the list though.
12. Another real cool cat. A rock player with a huge jazz background. I'm gonna say he won't be named here.
11. Classic rocker who's very likely.
10. Also very likely but not a classic rocker.
9. Liked him before, but since the band's 3rd release in 93 I have loved his playing. Not going to make the list.
8. He started further down my list. But the more I thought about it, his talent and style make him absolutely unique. Probably.
7. This forum? Of course.
6. Prog dude. Pretty sure he'll be here.
5. Not sure on him. Highly respected, but not sure how well his name is known outside the drumming community.
4. Second one on my list who's known by a nickname. (My first draft had three). Not going to be named here.
3. For sure. Legend
2. I've thought mostly highly and sometimes low of this guy. He's still my number 2 basher though.
1. The master
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Disregard
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0/2 for todays update
23 - Blake Richardson
Appeared on 7 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 3 (Puppies_On_Acid)
3 Top 10 Finishes
Didn't crack the top 25 for me, I'm just not familiar with enough work but the little I do know is pretty killer.
24 - Bill Ward
Appeared on 8 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 6 (Stadler)
4 Top 10 Finishes
I'm familiar with Bill Ward from Black Sabbath but he never really stood out to me as a possible contender.
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0 for 2 again.
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I had Bill Ward 13th and figured that's about where he'd finish. Very surprised to see him finish this low.
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Finally someone I had on my list. I had Bill Ward at #21. :tup
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25- Should be there
24- Nope
23- Mayyybeee
22- Definitely not, and a damn shame too
21- Lock
20- Should make the list
19- Lock
18- They'd be on everyone's list if they heard them
17- Blake Richardson (Yeah)
16- Probably
15- Lock
14- Might make it, definitely worthy
13- Unfortunately no
12- Lock
11- Another unfortunately no
10- Lock
9- Not too sure...we'll see
8- Lock
7- Lock
6- No, and I hate you all that they won't make it
5- Lock
4- See #6, multiply by 1000
3- Yeah
2- Lock
1- Lock
1/4
Richardson is a fucking beast.
Mad respect for Ward of course, just didn't really consider him.
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0/2 again here. Never considered either - though, I should've thought about Ward. But he still wouldn't have cracked my top 25.
RJ... what was your prediction for Richardson?
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0/2 again.
Both talented guys, of course.
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0/2
Who the hell is Blake Richardson?
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0/2
Who the hell is Blake Richardson?
Between the Buried and Me
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Another 2 from 2!
25.
24. Gene Hoglan
23. Cozy Powell
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10. Bill Ward
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8. Blake Richardson
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0/2 again here. Never considered either - though, I should've thought about Ward. But he still wouldn't have cracked my top 25.
RJ... what was your prediction for Richardson?
I'd be very surprised if you considered the drummer from BTBAM. :lol
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0/2 again here. Never considered either - though, I should've thought about Ward. But he still wouldn't have cracked my top 25.
RJ... what was your prediction for Richardson?
I had him at 17
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Never heard of both.
1/4
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Blake Richardson is on my list at #15. For all of the technical stuff he does, he's got a great feel and I love his drum sound, especially from Parallax onwards. Watching him on this video clinched it for me: https://youtu.be/T97Fxjhqz-E
Bill Ward didn't make my list, and honestly, he didn't even cross my mind. I've never been into Sabbath, though I respect their place in history. So far, I'm 1 for 4.
25. Maybe?
24. Possibly maybe? Probably not.
23. No idea
22. Likely, I think
21. Highly Likely
20. Likely
19. Who knows?
18. Probably
17. Highly Likely.
16. Possibly
15. Blake Richardson
14. Probably not.
13. Likely.
12. With this crowd, yes.
11. Possibly, but like 50/50 at best.
10. Likely.
9. He should be mandatory listening.
8. Likely.
7. Maybe.
6. Lock.
5. Should be a lock.
4. Likely.
3. Likely.
2. He better be a lock.
1. Lock.
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0-2 today as well. I listened to some BTBAM for one of TAC’s roulettes and the drums did stand out to me, but otherwise not into the band at all and couldn’t have named the drummer.
Not into Sabbath and don’t know enough of their material to rate Ward as a drummer.
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0/2 again here. Never considered either - though, I should've thought about Ward. But he still wouldn't have cracked my top 25.
RJ... what was your prediction for Richardson?
I had him at 17
Thanks Captain Obvious. I was asking about your pre-reveal comment/intuition about whether he'd make the list or not. I'm curious to know how accurate people are with their predictive comments.
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0/2 again here. Never considered either - though, I should've thought about Ward. But he still wouldn't have cracked my top 25.
RJ... what was your prediction for Richardson?
I had him at 17
Thanks Captain Obvious. I was asking about your pre-reveal comment/intuition about whether he'd make the list or not. I'm curious to know how accurate people are with their predictive comments.
Pre-reveal was "yeah". I figured with how big BtBaM are here, he'd make it.
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25 Reasonable chance, depending.
24 No chance in hell; there are other drummers IN HIS BAND that might, though.
23 He's either going to be in someone's top ten or not on the list, so probably won't make the final.
22 No chance. I might take some crap for this one.
21 No chance; most people won't know who he is.
20 No chance.
19 No chance (part of what will possibly be the only "father/son" pair on anyone's list)
18 No chance, due to this band being a pariah around here.
17 60-40 he makes it.
16 Probably no chance, but a crying shame. The man is a mule.
15. Slim chance; he is arguably my vote for best drummer in his genre, though there's another guy that gets all the press.
14 One of three guys from a certain band to make my list; probably won't make the final.
13 90% lock
12 100% lock
11 Slim chance; the other guy who replaced him has a better shot.
10 Should be a 100% lock; this forum? 50-50 at best.
9 Cozy Powell
8 No. 11's "other guy". Should be 70-30 to make it.
7 Sadly, no chance.
6 Bill Ward
5 SHOULD BE 100% lock.
4 100% lock
3 100% lock
2 100% lock
1 100% lock and my guess for Number One overall.
NR: Gene Hoglan
NR: Blake Richardson; I'm sure he's good but the band does nothing for me, so he's not on my radar.
So, this was my guess for Bill Ward: "Probably no chance; he's a pale shell of his former self, but some of his early live work is incendiary."
You've got to find the video that's out there of the "Live In Paris" show from 1970 (I think it's actually from Brussels, but the title is Paris). Bill Ward is on FIRE. He is a MACHINE in that video. Sabbath is known as the fathers of heavy metal, and Iommi is certainly a part of that, but Bill Ward was NOT a plodding metal drummer. Like Lee Kerslake later (with Ozzy) and patently UNLIKE Vinnie Appice with Dio (and Sabbath), Ward was almost a Jazzer. He brought so much to the early Sabbath sound that WASN'T "boom, boom BAP!" metal, I think he's a large part of why so many think the "Ozzy" era was something special, and why perhaps "13" didn't necessarily rate with the best of the Ozzy material.
Also, his work on the debut and on Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is to be noted as well.
The problem, though, is Bill lost it later through a combination of physical and substance problems.
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Still none of mine
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Bill Ward couldn’t break into my list. I like a lot of his work, especially the early stuff. He was a just miss.
I have no idea who Blake Richardson is.
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I have no idea who Blake Richardson is.
Didn't you have a Between the Buried and Me round in a previous roulette? How did they land with you? Can't remember
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Blake is an incredible drummer. Totally understand if BTBAM is not some people’s cup of tea. #21 on my list.
Bill Ward was #24.
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22 - Blake Richardson
23 - Bill Ward
Never heard of Blake Richardson...googling...I vaguely recall Between the Buried... on one of the Prog Nation bills, but we walked out laughing to get a beer as soon as the "singer" opened his mouth, so I wouldn't have noticed anything about the drummer.
Bill Ward, of course, is a legend. If Tony Iommi invented metal, Bill Ward was his not-so-silent partner. Ward's drumming was both understated and complex, with a groove that many metal drummers lacked. I had him at #9.
25 Maybe...not sure
24 Probably not
23 I'd say 60-70% chance no
22 Probably
21 Probably not
20 Probably not
19 90% yes
18 Nein
17 Absolutely should be, but I'm thinking less than 50/50
16 Nope
15 Not even a little chance
14 No way, eh
13 90+% yes
12 Not a chance
11 Nope
10 I think yes, only about 60% sure
9 Bill Ward (Should be...75+% likely)
8 75+% likely
7 Cozy Powell (50/50)
6 Hmmm...really not sure, but I think less than 50/50
5 Same band as #8 - one of them should make it, if not both
4 90+% yes
3 Lock
2 Might sneak in around 21-25
1 Lock for top 3
Not ranked: Gene Hoglan, Blake Richardson
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^ This guy gets it (leaving his predictive comment in the list). :tup
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I'm 1/4 so far, as I had Gene Hoglan at #19.
I hadn't considered the others as I'm a casual Ward fan, didn't know who Cozy was and although I'm a fan of BtBaM, I couldn't have told you the drummers name.
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Never heard of Blake Richardson. I find BtBaM to be pretty overrated, so that's not a surprise. And while I'm a huge Sabbath fan, I've never really gotten the appeal of Bill Ward.
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^ This guy gets it (leaving his predictive comment in the list). :tup
Sheesh...
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^ This guy gets it (leaving his predictive comment in the list). :tup
I read the comments. :biggrin:
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It's been interesting reading your predictions compared to the final list, some of you are spot on and some of you are going to be in for a surprise
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It's been interesting reading your predictions compared to the final list, some of you are spot on and some of you are going to be in for a surprise
Pretty sure I'll be on the surprise side as the lists tend to lean metal and mine leans prog mostly
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Had a brief period of getting into BTBAM and then they fell off hard for me for some reason. I should probably revisit them again sometime. Super talented guy regardless. Given that the other modern prog metal flagbearers on guitar didn't come close to making the guitarist list, I was surprised to see Blake.
Surprised in the opposite direction for Ward. Given the the types of guys who did well in the guitarist list, I would have thought he'd have been higher. I'm way too casual a Sabbath fan to have given him much consideration.
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It's been interesting reading your predictions compared to the final list, some of you are spot on and some of you are going to be in for a surprise
The vocalist and guitarist lists had some surprised for me, but nothing egregiously shocking (other than Hetfield in the Top 10 and Hammett as a no-show).
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I have no idea who Blake Richardson is.
Didn't you have a Between the Buried and Me round in a previous roulette? How did they land with you? Can't remember
Oh ok, he's the BB&M guy...yes, he's a beast.
How did they land? Musically awesome, but the harsh vocals are really rough for me. Unlistenable, actually. I busted out Parallax I last week and gave them another try. They're a just miss band for me.
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Again, for those that haven't heard or heard of Blake, watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T97Fxjhqz-E&t=816s
For those of you worried about the vocals, this is an instrumental mix.
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I have no idea who Blake Richardson is.
Didn't you have a Between the Buried and Me round in a previous roulette? How did they land with you? Can't remember
Oh ok, he's the BB&M guy...yes, he's a beast.
How did they land? Musically awesome, but the harsh vocals are really rough for me. Unlistenable, actually. I busted out Parallax I last week and gave them another try. They're a just miss band for me.
Yeah, when it comes to them vocals is usually the deal breaker
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I have no idea who Blake Richardson is.
Didn't you have a Between the Buried and Me round in a previous roulette? How did they land with you? Can't remember
Oh ok, he's the BB&M guy...yes, he's a beast.
How did they land? Musically awesome, but the harsh vocals are really rough for me. Unlistenable, actually. I busted out Parallax I last week and gave them another try. They're a just miss band for me.
Tim, I'm kinda with you. I find the harsh vocals in BtBaM to be the weakest link and the main sticking point for me being able to love the band. Like, everything else is awesome, but those harsh vocals do absolutely zero for me.
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I have no idea who Blake Richardson is.
Didn't you have a Between the Buried and Me round in a previous roulette? How did they land with you? Can't remember
Oh ok, he's the BB&M guy...yes, he's a beast.
How did they land? Musically awesome, but the harsh vocals are really rough for me. Unlistenable, actually. I busted out Parallax I last week and gave them another try. They're a just miss band for me.
Tim, I'm kinda with you. I find the harsh vocals in BtBaM to be the weakest link and the main sticking point for me being able to love the band. Like, everything else is awesome, but those harsh vocals do absolutely zero for me.
And it's specific to him, I know people who love harsh vocals who still can't stand his. :lol
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22 - Blake Richardson
Appeared on 7 of 28 lists
Highest Finish: 3 (Puppies_On_Acid)
3 Top 10 Finishes
23 - Bill Ward
Appeared on 8 of 28 lists
Highest Finish: 6 (Stadler)
4 Top 10 Finishes
Wow! 2 for 2 today.
Bill Ward - I didn't send in a predictive text list but my comment for Bill was 'a legend but not sure of his popularity here'. I really don't think Ozzy Sabbath gets much love on this forum so wasn't sure we would see Bill. Those first few Sabbath albums are Bill at his best. To even have someone above say they have never heard of him is mindblowing to me. Anyway I ranked Bill at number 7.
Blake Richardson - this is a real surprise. I didn't think we would see Blake even though he is absolutely incredible. Just so creative. I know his band isn't for everyone but there are a number of youtube clips of his playing that are worth a look if drumming is your thing. I ranked Blake 9.
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I have no idea who Blake Richardson is.
Didn't you have a Between the Buried and Me round in a previous roulette? How did they land with you? Can't remember
Oh ok, he's the BB&M guy...yes, he's a beast.
How did they land? Musically awesome, but the harsh vocals are really rough for me. Unlistenable, actually. I busted out Parallax I last week and gave them another try. They're a just miss band for me.
Tim, I'm kinda with you. I find the harsh vocals in BtBaM to be the weakest link and the main sticking point for me being able to love the band. Like, everything else is awesome, but those harsh vocals do absolutely zero for me.
And it's specific to him, I know people who love harsh vocals who still can't stand his. :lol
That's where I am with BTBAM. He irks me more than most but I love his clean singing voice.
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I have no idea who Blake Richardson is.
Didn't you have a Between the Buried and Me round in a previous roulette? How did they land with you? Can't remember
Oh ok, he's the BB&M guy...yes, he's a beast.
How did they land? Musically awesome, but the harsh vocals are really rough for me. Unlistenable, actually. I busted out Parallax I last week and gave them another try. They're a just miss band for me.
Tim, I'm kinda with you. I find the harsh vocals in BtBaM to be the weakest link and the main sticking point for me being able to love the band. Like, everything else is awesome, but those harsh vocals do absolutely zero for me.
And it's specific to him, I know people who love harsh vocals who still can't stand his. :lol
That's where I am with BTBAM. He irks me more than most but I love his clean singing voice.
I tolerate his harsh vocals but they are far from my favourite. They are a real hollow type sound and lack depth. The clean vocals are great though.
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I was unable to submit a list because I only have about a dozen drummers who really mean something to me, but Blake Richardson would have been in my top 10. That video posted above (Hypersleep Drumming) is one of my most watched YouTube videos. He's an exceptionally talented drummer.
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Shame you didn't submit a list Dave. When I was doing mine I kind of ended up feeling the same way as you - ie I have 10/12 guys I absolutely love and then after that it wasn't easy to get to 25.
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1/2 today!
21 - Carter Beauford
Appeared on 9 of 28 lists
Highest Finish: 3 (KevShmev)
4 Top 10 Finishes
When putting my list together I for sure thought Carter wasn't going to make it so I'm really happy he did. Carter is simply a phenomenal drummer and was my number 5 pick. His groove and creativity is some of the best and he is 80% the reason I listen to DMB and 100% I go to see them live. Check out any live DMB performance and he is behind the kit killing it. A few cool songs highlighting him:
Say Goodbye: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGEpnKrJU0Y
Lying In The Hands Of God: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW3xmRPqUuc
22 - Alex Van Halen
Appeared on 13 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 4 (jingle.boy)
2 Top 10 Finishes
Taking the number 21 spot by just a couple points! Personally Alex didn't make my list but was in the running. As a kid the intro to "Hot For Teacher" was just as impressive as the guitar solo. Interesting to see him appear on so many lists but only a couple of top 10 finishes.
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I'm not familiar with Carter, but I do like Alex. I just didn't consider him.
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Wow, I am shocked that Carter Beauford made the list!! I thought he had little to no chance, but this is a nice surprise. Yes, I ranked him 3rd. He is absolutely incredible. Anyone unsure, go listen to the studio versions back to back of The Stone and Crush and report back. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Alex VH was 19th on mine, and I figured he'd likely make it. He could get a little too bashing away on the cymbals-happy for me at times (see: the chorus of Don't Tell Me What Love Can Do), but he was really good for the most part. Sinner's Swing! has one of my favorite drum fills ever.
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I can't believe I forgot Carter! I don't really listen to much of DMB, but I remember going for drum lessons back in the day and there was almost always a Carter instructional DVD on while I waited, and the dude just blew me away every single time I saw/listened to him.
Had Alex at 23. Honestly, wish Carter was 23. Alex is a good drummer but isn't really much of an influence. I think around here is when I was started to reach for favorites.
25. Should be top 10 but won't cause y'all suck
24. A real reach for favorite but whatever, won't make the list anyway
23. Alex Van Halen, obvious choice.
22. Won't be surprised either way with this one
21. Probably gonna make the final list? Maybe?
20. Will definitely make the list
19. Not a chance, but should be if we're including metal drummers
18. Probably not, but who knows?
17. Not a chance, but an early influence on my rock/metal groove style
16. Not a chance in hell and that's fine
15. No way Jose.
14. Higher chance that Stadler votes for Hillary
13. Obviously will make collective top 5.
12. Maybe? Out of touch with forum on this stuff
11. Not gonna happen
10. Probably will make the final list
9. Lock for top 20
8. It's a crime this guy is so unknown and therefore won't make the list
7. Nah, cause liking his band used to mean you got made fun of
6. Possible? But unlikely.
5. This is the collective forum's favorite drummer.....to poop on!
4. Better be in the top 10. BETTER BE!
3. Kev won't be voting for this guy, but I imagine he'll rank high
2. Too obvious
1. Also super obviously in the top 5.
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20 - Carter Beauford
Appeared on 8 of 28 lists
Highest Finish: 3 (KevShmev)
3 Top 10 Finishes
21 - Alex Van Halen
Appeared on 12 of 28 lists
Highest Finish: 4 (jingle.boy)
2 Top 10 Finishes
I don't know Carter Beauford by name, nor am I into the DMB, but every song I've heard from them, I've always thought the drumming was awesome. I number of years ago, they played in Foxboro, and for some reason a few of their songs were streamed on TV and I stumbled upon it. I was blown away, actually, by the drummer.
I had Alex at #8. Eddie gets all of the fanfare, but Alex is absolutely amazing.
List Not Listed
25 Bill Ward
24 Gene Hoglan Blake Richardson
23 Carter Beauford
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10 Cozy Powell
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8 Alex Van Halen
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I still have 0 from my list show up
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I’m kinda surprised that *I* was the one to rate AVH highest …. Considering I’m not a massive VH fan on the whole. But his drumming in in the DLR-era was top shelf. No issues with the Hagar-era, it’s just everything pre 1984 was the tits.
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I’m kinda surprised that *I* was the one to rate AVH highest …. Considering I’m not a massive VH fan on the whole. But his drumming in in the DLR-era was top shelf. No issues with the Hagar-era, it’s just everything pre 1984 was the tits.
It really was!
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Not a DMB fan but Carter is an incredible drummer.
AVH is very underrated, but didn’t make my list. I’ve always liked the sound of his hi-hat, strange as that might sound.
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25. His reputation should put him on here
24. No chance in hell
23. I highly doubt it.
22. perhaps?
21. Should be, but most will probably overlook him
20. Maybe?
19. Legend, but won't make it
18. Fo sho
17. Doubt it
16. Nope
15. Prolly not
14. Dunno… maybe?
13. Nope
12. Even the fans of this band have probably forgotten about him
11. should be, but doubt it
10. He's gotta be there
9. Nada
8. Possibly
7. Fo sho
6. Nope
5. Not gonna happen ('specially if Joe/RJ didn't put him on their lists)
4. Alex Van Halen He better be
3. Him too (I'm bothered by your lack of faith, RJ)
2. Guaran-damn-teed
1. As for sure as death and taxes
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25- Alex Van HalenShould be there
24- Nope
23- Mayyybeee
22- Definitely not, and a damn shame too
21- Lock
20- Should make the list
19- Lock
18- They'd be on everyone's list if they heard them
17- Blake Richardson (Yeah)
16- Probably
15- Lock
14- Might make it, definitely worthy
13- Unfortunately no
12- Lock
11- Another unfortunately no
10- Lock
9- Not too sure...we'll see
8- Lock
7- Lock
6- No, and I hate you all that they won't make it
5- Lock
4- See #6, multiply by 1000
3- Yeah
2- Lock
1- Lock
AVH squeaks in. No clue who the other guy is.
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Carter Beauford is an incredible drummer. I had him # 15 on my list. Check our DMB's album, Before These Crowded Streets. His drumming will blow you away.
Alex just missed my top 25. What Chad said is dead on. The highest compliment for a drummer is you hear he tone of the drums and you know who the drummer is. That is Alex. He has a distinct sound. Very much like Phil Collins in that regard.
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Awesome, I got 2 today!
I had Carter at 8. His work on those early DMB albums is magnificent. Super tight grooves and fills, and he just always adds an interesting angle to whatever he plays. I’m sure everyone has heard Ants Marching, but the drum sound on that track is amazing, and he just really propels the song. Could say that about most DMB songs. Such a fun player to listen to and watch.
Alex was my number 12. Huge part of what makes VH special for me. Love his playing in all eras of the band, acoustic and electric. Doing Time from Balance is a fun showcase of his chops (in addition to the better known Hot for Teacher). 5150 is probably my favorite AVH moment. But he is one of those guys who never really takes a song off.
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Carter Beauford should have made my list. When I went through my DMB phase in the late 90's/early 00's, he was easily in my top 5. His groove is deep, and his chops are god-tier. Plus, he's so fluid and in control at all times. And singing backing vocals as well? Dude is a mega talent! Check out any live version of Two Step, and you'll get what he's all about. Other favorites: Drive In Drive Out, Bartender, The Stone, JTR, You Never Know, Don't Drink the Water, Rapunzel, Dreaming Tree, Seek Up, etc....
Alex Van Halen also didn't make my list, but if it was a top 30, he would have. He has a readily identifiable sound, and he's got a swing to his playing that instantly makes me bob my head when a VH song comes on. I would love to grab his signature snare drum when I have the discretionary funds to do so, because it is beautiful!
(https://drummerszone.media/news/2017/alex-van-halen-supraphonic-limited-edition-ludwig-snare-drum-13480-0-20170224154307.jpg)
Updated guesses:
25. Maybe?
24. Possibly maybe? Probably not.
23. No idea
22. Likely, I think
21. Highly Likely
20. Likely
19. Who knows?
18. Probably
17. Highly Likely.
16. Possibly
15. Blake Richardson. Good chance, but not definite.
14. Probably not.
13. Likely.
12. With this crowd, yes.
11. Possibly, but like 50/50 at best.
10. Likely.
9. He should be mandatory listening.
8. Likely.
7. Maybe.
6. Lock.
5. Should be a lock.
4. Likely.
3. Likely.
2. He better be a lock.
1. Lock.
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25. No Beard
24. Bill Ward
23. No beard
22. No beard
21. Blake Richardson
20. Beard
19. Beard
18. Sometimes beard
17. No beard
16. Slight beard
15. Slight beard
14. Beard
13. Slight beard
12. No beard
11. Blue
10. Slight beard
9. Fu manchu
8. Used to have a beard
7. No beard
6. Gene Hoglan
5. No beard
4. No beard
3. Spock
2. Slight beard
1. Used to have a beard.
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0/2 today. Alex Van Halen was never on my radar and I don't even know who Carter Beauford is.
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There's more than one Van Halen guy? :lol
Never heard of Carter either.
1/6
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There's more than one Van Halen guy? :lol
Yup, they're brothers.
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There's more than one Van Halen guy? :lol
Yup, they're brothers.
Alex was playing guitar in his youth and Eddie was playing Piano. Eddie picked up Alex's guitar and was much better at it so Alex picked up drums. The rest is history.
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Had Alex in there for sure. So far 4/6.
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20 - Carter Beauford
21 - Alex Van Halen
0 for 2 today. Never heard of the first guy and have no idea what "DMB" is. While AVH was part of the group I considered, he missed the cut by several spots. I will say this: AVH had possibly the most distinct drum SOUND (especially the snare). Very recognizable.
25 Maybe...not sure
24 Probably not
23 I'd say 60-70% chance no
22 Probably
21 Probably not
20 Probably not
19 90% yes
18 Nein
17 Absolutely should be, but I'm thinking less than 50/50
16 Nope
15 Not even a little chance
14 No way, eh
13 90+% yes
12 Not a chance
11 Nope
10 I think yes, only about 60% sure
9 Bill Ward (Should be...75+% likely)
8 75+% likely
7 Cozy Powell (50/50)
6 Hmmm...really not sure, but I think less than 50/50
5 Same band as #8 - one of them should make it, if not both
4 90+% yes
3 Lock
2 Might sneak in around 21-25
1 Lock for top 3
Not ranked: Gene Hoglan, Blake Richardson, Carter Beauford, Alex Van Halen
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Dave Mathews Band.
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FINALLY!
Carter Beauford is awesome. He came in at 12th on my list. Unbelievable groove and really tasteful playing. DMB = Dave Matthews Band
Alex Van Halen didn't crack my Top 25 - I had him at 36th in my final rankings. Great rock drummer, no doubt about it.
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There's more than one Van Halen guy? :lol
Yup, they're brothers.
Alex was playing guitar in his youth and Eddie was playing Piano. Eddie picked up Alex's guitar and was much better at it so Alex picked up drums. The rest is history.
Genuinely didn't know that - thanks!
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25 Reasonable chance, depending.
24 No chance in hell; there are other drummers IN HIS BAND that might, though.
23 He's either going to be in someone's top ten or not on the list, so probably won't make the final.
22 No chance. I might take some crap for this one.
21 No chance; most people won't know who he is.
20 No chance.
19 No chance (part of what will possibly be the only "father/son" pair on anyone's list)
18 No chance, due to this band being a pariah around here.
17 60-40 he makes it.
16 Probably no chance, but a crying shame. The man is a mule.
15. Slim chance; he is arguably my vote for best drummer in his genre, though there's another guy that gets all the press.
14 One of three guys from a certain band to make my list; probably won't make the final.
13 90% lock
12 100% lock
11 Slim chance; the other guy who replaced him has a better shot.
10 Should be a 100% lock; this forum? 50-50 at best.
9 Cozy Powell (I submitted my predictions AFTER this)
8 No. 11's "other guy". Should be 70-30 to make it.
7 Sadly, no chance.
6 Bill Ward (Sadly, probably no chance; he's a pale shell of his former self, but some of his early live work is incendiary.)
5 SHOULD BE 100% lock.
4 100% lock
3 100% lock
2 100% lock
1 100% lock and my guess for Number One overall.
27: Carter Beauford; all the accolades are legit. I've seen DMB three, four times live, and he delivers every. single. time. I have a set of sticks from him somewhere from one of the shows.
NR: Gene Hoglan
NR: Blake Richardson
NR: Alex Van Halen; he's good, no, great, but I can't stand his drum sound.
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There's more than one Van Halen guy? :lol
Yup, they're brothers.
Alex was playing guitar in his youth and Eddie was playing Piano. Eddie picked up Alex's guitar and was much better at it so Alex picked up drums. The rest is history.
Genuinely didn't know that - thanks!
And their father, Jan Van Jalen, played clarinet on Big Bad Stads Is Sweet Stadler Now, so you actually had three Van Halens playing!
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Carter Beauford (my #6) - As has been said, a lot of people that don't even care for DMBand's music, recognizes his talent right away. Just to add, Carter is also amazing in how he does complex drum arrangements to simpler songs (which he almost always does) without sounding as overplaying it. As just one example, listen to Crash Into Me.
And, by the way, Before These Crowed Streets should have been on Voyager's gold disc. Truly a transcendental masterpiece. DMBand has never done anything remotely close to this since or before (and I'm a fan of the band and their discography).
Alex Van Halen (my #16) - Awesome drummer, very recognizable sound and style and, although a 70's drummer, he still sounds very modern IMO.
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Big Bad Stads Is Sweet Stadler Now
:lol :lol
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Wow, did not expect to see Carter on this list, quite a pleasant surprise. He was #20 on mine. I've been up and down with DMB mostly due to Dave's voice, but Carter's playing is always extraordinary, and he's done other work with Victor Wooten, Carlos Santana and others. I especially love Vertical Horizon's Running On Ice, a incredible album that always gets overlooked because they didn't blow up until a later album (and pretty briefly at that).
AVH is on my honorable mentions list. Funny how polarizing his sound seems to be here, I'm definitely in the camp of loving how distinctive it is.
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Ok, now that I know he's the drummer for DMB, I can definitely recognize his worthiness for the list. I think he's actually the only thing about DMB that appeals to me :lol
My ex's sister was a huge DMB fan back in the day, and her and I used to go round and round on who was better, him or MP.
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Hey guys! Full transparency I messed up a little bit. When devieira73 submitted his list I emailed him back for a spelling correction but only partially copied his list in, I just realized when I double checked my OP. I've updated the missing submissions and there will be one new drummer and the order change for a couple of drummers slightly. I'll update my posts to reflect the change, and there will now be 26 drummers (however Gene and Cozy are still tied so only 25 ranks)
I'll post the final drummer list and points at the end, please forgive me DTF! I guess this is what I get about shit talking the spelling errors :lol
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Updates done! Sorry again guys, I just went through everything again so it should be good
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All good, my dude.
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Sorry guys, I ranked Carter as Carter "Beaufort"... maybe because there's a brazilian MMA fighter Vitor Belfort :facepalm: ;D
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Lol what happened is since you submitted your list early I partially pasted it into my table and pm'd you but never circled back. After reaching out to you I just said fuck it and I'll fix all the spellings myself unless I really didn't know a drummer but I never circled back to add the rest of devieira's list
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You see the results of bad spelling King? Someday this will be the chaos your horrific typos will cause...
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Shutt u pii whole RJ.
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Shutt u pii whole RJ.
:rollin
:-*
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I actually did have a drummer's name misspelled when I went to check before I submitted. Fixed it.
Luckily (or not so much) I'm 100% sure I was the only person submitting him, so it didn't matter.
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Misspelings, how could you mispell something, tsk tsk.
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Big Bad Stads Is Sweet Stadler Now
:lol :lol
Doing the dishes, mopping up that floor, yes, I am.
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See what happens when someone besides me runs one of these? :P :biggrin:
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Luckily (or not so much) I'm 100% sure I was the only person submitting him, so it didn't matter.
Yeah, pretty sure it didn't matter if I butchered the shit out of the 4 Japanese drummers I had on my list :lol
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See what happens when someone besides me runs one of these? :P :biggrin:
Yup :lol, it's amateur hour with me at helm lmao
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Luckily (or not so much) I'm 100% sure I was the only person submitting him, so it didn't matter.
Yeah, pretty sure it didn't matter if I butchered the shit out of the 4 Japanese drummers I had on my list :lol
I’d say it would matter quite a lot!!!!
Oh, you meant their names. No. That’s cool.
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Dave Mathews Band.
I never would have worked this out.
0/2 for me.
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21 - Carter Beauford
Appeared on 9 of 28 lists
Highest Finish: 3 (KevShmev)
4 Top 10 Finishes
22 - Alex Van Halen
Appeared on 13 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 4 (jingle.boy)
2 Top 10 Finishes
Carter Beauford - never heard of him or ever listened to DMB.
Alex Van Halen - I ranked Alex at 22. Always loved his drumming and his style, he sound was not always great but his playing always top notch.
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Your kingdom is small then. :lol
I get it though. Not your style of music. I bet Hef and I are the only ones to have multiple jazz drummers on their list.
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Luckily (or not so much) I'm 100% sure I was the only person submitting him, so it didn't matter.
Yeah, pretty sure it didn't matter if I butchered the shit out of the 4 Japanese drummers I had on my list :lol
I’d say it would matter quite a lot!!!!
Oh, you meant their names. No. That’s cool.
Now that's a glorious typo.... My apologies to the Japanese drummer contingency
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I bet Hef and I are the only ones to have multiple jazz drummers on their list.
I hope it wasn't a large wager.
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I bet Hef and I are the only ones to have multiple jazz drummers on their list.
I hope it wasn't a large wager.
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I bet Hef and I are the only ones to have multiple jazz drummers on their list.
I hope it wasn't a large wager.
I'm not that dumb. Lol Well, welcome to the club then! :lol
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See what happens when someone besides me runs one of these? :P :biggrin:
Hmmm.... :biggrin:
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I bet Hef and I are the only ones to have multiple jazz drummers on their list.
I hope it wasn't a large wager.
*LithoJazzoSphere and Elite have entered the chat
*and lonestar*
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See what happens when someone besides me runs one of these? :P :biggrin:
Yup :lol, it's amateur hour with me at helm lmao
Haha, just having a little fun with ya. :)
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Fucked up man! :censored >:(
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-attacked-florida-hotel-99509278
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Fucked up man! :censored >:(
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-attacked-florida-hotel-99509278
This happened ages ago, Tom. It was in the news.
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Fucked up man! :censored >:(
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-attacked-florida-hotel-99509278
This happened ages ago, Tom. It was in the news.
I forgot, stage 4 Dementia at work. :blush
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Fucked up man! :censored >:(
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-attacked-florida-hotel-99509278
This happened ages ago, Tom. It was in the news.
I forgot, stage 4 Dementia at work. :blush
Just bustin'. It's in the news again because Rick is talking about it.
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Carter Beauford - Glad to see he made the list. I had him at #23, but honestly he probably should have been higher. If anyone needs a primer as to why he should be on this list, just listen to this live album https://open.spotify.com/album/26Xf0FH58wO2VVWk1TyJDN?si=b6tflrVvTSmG2MPNDG9BCg
Alex Van Halen - He's a good drummer, but not great. However I absolutely hate his drum sound on almost everything he does. Needless to say, he wasn't considered for my list.
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Fucked up man! :censored >:(
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-attacked-florida-hotel-99509278
This happened ages ago, Tom. It was in the news.
I thought for a second when I saw Tom's post, 'Oh shit, has he been attacked again? WTF?!'
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Here’s an awesome Carter Beauford moment. Jump to about 2:20 and watch the next minute at least. The fill at about 2:58 will drop you. But then the whole instrumental section is great too, especially on the outro.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E2zpoIlEasY&pp=ygUPY2FydGVyIGJlYXVmb3Jk
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I've been listening to a ton of DMB today and yea, Carter is a beast. I've seen him a half dozen times and he is always so consistent and had such finesse on the kit.
Did anyone here catch the tour they did where they did an acoustic set as an opening act for themselves? Carter played a stripped down kit and the performance was flawless.
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I have only just now learned that a new DMB album came out last week. Truthfully I haven’t followed them at all since Stand Up. Listening to it now, and the first track sounds alright (Carter sounds good for sure!).
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I bet Hef and I are the only ones to have multiple jazz drummers on their list.
I hope it wasn't a large wager.
*LithoJazzoSphere and Elite have entered the chat
*and lonestar*
*and romdrums.*
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I have only just now learned that a new DMB album came out last week. Truthfully I haven’t followed them at all since Stand Up. Listening to it now, and the first track sounds alright (Carter sounds good for sure!).
I really like Big Whiskey. Stand Up is the weakest DMB album to me (I haven't heard the new one though)
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I have only just now learned that a new DMB album came out last week. Truthfully I haven’t followed them at all since Stand Up. Listening to it now, and the first track sounds alright (Carter sounds good for sure!).
I really like Big Whiskey. Stand Up is the weakest DMB album to me (I haven't heard the new one though)
Yeah, Stand Up really put me off of the band and I just never circled back to them. Love all the previous albums though (even Everyday is good).
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I bet Hef and I are the only ones to have multiple jazz drummers on their list.
I hope it wasn't a large wager.
*LithoJazzoSphere and Elite have entered the chat
*and lonestar*
*and romdrums.*
I’ve got several guys who are jazz players but who are better known to me for their rock/pop stuff.
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DMB has been pretty inconsistent ever since the decision to abandon the material from the Lillywhite Sessions and release Everyday instead, but those 90s albums are still absolutely incredible. If I had to rank favorite bands from their three best albums alone, DMB might be a top 5 band for me. That is how awesome Under the Table and Dreaming, Crash and Before These Crowded Streets all are.
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Here’s another Carter clip: https://youtu.be/KOatIrazULw
Love how he builds this solo, and those hertas at the end…. :hefdaddy
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DMB has been pretty inconsistent ever since the decision to abandon the material from the Lillywhite Sessions and release Everyday instead, but those 90s albums are still absolutely incredible. If I had to rank favorite bands from their three best albums alone, DMB might be a top 5 band for me. That is how awesome Under the Table and Dreaming, Crash and Before These Crowded Streets all are.
Did we just become best friends? I feel the exact same way!
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DMB has been pretty inconsistent ever since the decision to abandon the material from the Lillywhite Sessions and release Everyday instead, but those 90s albums are still absolutely incredible. If I had to rank favorite bands from their three best albums alone, DMB might be a top 5 band for me. That is how awesome Under the Table and Dreaming, Crash and Before These Crowded Streets all are.
Did we just become best friends? I feel the exact same way!
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/6ee075b9c37a4806a7644280fb7b61cd/ca852baa5f3bfd63-4c/s540x810/374f280e08f92a70b29316055dec3be99ba54f5c.gifv)
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Here’s another Carter clip: https://youtu.be/KOatIrazULw
Love how he builds this solo, and those hertas at the end…. :hefdaddy
Hell yeah. Carter's the herta master. And yes, that three album run was a good time to be a DMB fan. Busted Stuff is when they lost me for a while. Groogrux brought me back and I like what I've heard of the new one. Still really miss LeRoi and Boyd's voices in the band though. :'(
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Here’s another Carter clip: https://youtu.be/KOatIrazULw
Love how he builds this solo, and those hertas at the end…. :hefdaddy
And how he blows a bubble mid-groove. Some of us can’t walk and chew gum.
Agree that the first three DMB albums are amazing and are the essential DMB. But I do think Everyday and Busted Stuff were solid albums as well.
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Here’s an awesome Carter Beauford moment. Jump to about 2:20 and watch the next minute at least. The fill at about 2:58 will drop you. But then the whole instrumental section is great too, especially on the outro.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E2zpoIlEasY&pp=ygUPY2FydGVyIGJlYXVmb3Jk
Oh yeah, the famous Beauford 1 handed descending drum fill. I unashamedly stole that move from him and use it in my own drumming. Beauford isn't my biggest influence on my formative years of drumming, but he is probably the biggest influence on how I set up my drums. I typically don't play open handed like he does (I mean, I can when I need to, it's good to be ambidextrous as a drummer), but having both the ride and hi-hat on the left side of the kit was such an eye opener for me (I also have another hi-hat on the right side of my kit). It just allows for so much more versatility.
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3/6 Appreciate Bill Ward big time but couldn't crack my 25.
25. I think this maniac will be picked
24. Dirty chance he'll make it
23. Pretty sure you'd say "who"?
22. I miss this guy. Wish he was still with us. Not gonna make it here. :'(
21. This weirdo won't make it. 40 years and 14 studio albums with the same original quartet. Impressive stuff.
20. Carter Beauford (A unique cat whose style is highly revered in drumming circles. Not sure here though.)
19. Huge name. Guaranteed pick.
18. Spicy lefty. He has a shot.
17. In 2005, a no-brainer to be on here. Today. Maybe?
16. Probably won't be here. It's a crime.
15. 100% this monster's here.
14. AVH (Brother of a legend on one of our other lists. Won't be surprised if he makes this list.)
13. Groove metal master. Won't make the list though.
12. Another real cool cat. A rock player with a huge jazz background. I'm gonna say he won't be named here.
11. Classic rocker who's very likely.
10. Blake Richardson (Also very likely but not a classic rocker.)
9. Liked him before, but since the band's 3rd release in 93 I have loved his playing. Not going to make the list.
8. He started further down my list. But the more I thought about it, his talent and style make him absolutely unique. Probably.
7. This forum? Of course.
6. Prog dude. Pretty sure he'll be here.
5. Not sure on him. Highly respected, but not sure how well his name is known outside the drumming community.
4. Second one on my list who's known by a nickname. (My first draft had three). Not going to be named here.
3. For sure. Legend
2. I've thought mostly highly and sometimes low of this guy. He's still my number 2 basher though.
1. The master
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Lets keep this drum train rolling, fun fact only one point separates these two from a tie:
19 - Mark Zonder
Appeared on 8 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (pg1067)
4 Top 10 Finishes
I've never heard of the guy so I did some googling and saw he played in Fates Warning. I know very little of Fates Warning so he didn't make my list.
20 - Martin Lopez
Appeared on 8 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 4 (LithoJazzoSphere)
4 Top 10 Finishes
Opeth's best drummer IMO. The guy some great chops and was such a unique addition to Opeth. The first introduction to Opeth was Damnation and I immediately fell in love with his style and playing.
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I'm 1/2 today. Lopez isn't a name that instantly springs to mind when I think of my favourite drummers, but when compiling this list I realised how he deserves to be here. He ended up at #14 for me.
25.
24.
23.
22.
21.
20.
19. Gene Hoglan
18.
17.
16.
15.
14. Martin Lopez
13.
12.
11.
10.
9.
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5.
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3.
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1.
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Still 0 now out of 6
Should have had Lopez....
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0/2 today. 1/6 overall.
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0/2 today. 1/6 overall.
Ditto.
I considered Zonder, but I just don't listen to early Fates often enough. Of note, Zonder was on the Speaking to Stones / Elements album for those that didn't know.
Opeth ... not a fan, so no surprise I wouldn't have considered him/them
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0-2. Know both drummers well but not on my list.
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0/6
Considered Lopez.
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I didn't consider either of these guys.
Lopez is good, but not a single drummer made my list who is known predominantly for metal. The only guys that made my top 25 who do metal are known just as much for rock and/or prog.
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Fates Warning and Opeth are two bands that never clicked with me. I’m sure they’re great drummers but neither made my list.
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0/2. Never considered either guy.
I never really hear either one talked about very much in drumming circles, either. I guess a lot of people just cast votes for the drummers in their favorite bands?
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0/2. Never considered either guy.
I never really hear either one talked about very much in drumming circles, either. I guess a lot of people just cast votes for the drummers in their favorite bands?
That's my assumption as well.
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0/2. Never considered either guy.
I never really hear either one talked about very much in drumming circles, either. I guess a lot of people just cast votes for the drummers in their favorite bands?
That is what I've been thinking as well.
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This time I know both! :lol
Also how the hell are you guys 0/6? 8 drummers have been revealed already :biggrin:
3/8
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I guess a lot of people just cast votes for the drummers in their favorite bands?
To some degree. I mean, I'm not going to cast a vote to a drummer in a band I rarely/never listen to because I'm not a fan of their music, or a band from a genre I never listen to. I'm sure Country has some pretty phenomenal drummers, but I'm expecting precisely 0 drummers from that genre.
On the flip side, I didn't put a vote in for that drummer that made that one famous boating video, despite being a pretty big fan of the band.
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I had Zonder at 18. Not a huge Fates Warning fan, but I’ve always thought highly of Mark Zonder’s drumming. In high school and college DT was my band and Fates was my brothers’ band, and we used to debate which members were better, etc. Zonder has a really unique sound incorporating electronic elements, and he’s just so precise. He’s a big part of what albums like Parallels and Inside Out special. Don’t think Fates is the same without him. His work on the first Chroma Key album is also really great (and a bit more organic maybe than in Fates).
Not into Opeth really, so Lopez isn’t ranked. I do own Damnation and he was good on that album but didn’t really stand out to me.
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On the flip side, I didn't put a vote in for that drummer that made that one famous boating video, despite being a pretty big fan of the band.
You talking about Boats and Hos and the drummer John C. Reilly??
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0/2. Never considered either guy.
I never really hear either one talked about very much in drumming circles, either. I guess a lot of people just cast votes for the drummers in their favorite bands?
Hard to have favorite players in bands you never listen to. Though as I noted, I don’t listen to that much FW (I own three of their albums). Zonder is a stud though.
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I’m 2 for 7 so far (had Alex Van Halen & Martin Lopez on my list). It’s interesting to see how many are saying they’re 0 for whatever, seems this list is more diverse than some of the previous “favorites” list.
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I was introduced to DT and FW at the same time (I&W and Parallels) and let's just say that my first reaction, kind of an heretic one and without knowing that MP was much more than just a drummer for DT, was "Mark Zonder should be the DT drummer!". And it just tells how much I immensely LOVED DT music and Zonder's drumming right away - and recognized the similarity of styles of both bands. And, of course, I always thought MP amazing, but I was totally floored by Zonder. He's my #3.
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I’m 2 for 7 so far (had Alex Van Halen & Martin Lopez on my list). It’s interesting to see how many are saying they’re 0 for whatever, seems this list is more diverse than some of the previous “favorites” list.
I didn’t get a guitarist on the list until the top 10 at least.
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Zonder was 22 on my list. Really creative drummer and his drumming with Fates is so tasteful. Like Neil Peart, he puts a lot of thought into composing his drum parts, oftentimes taking a "song within a song" approach to how he would structure things. That kind of precision and attention to detail was somewhat unique, especially in metal at the time. He also incorporated electronic drums into his kit in a very subtle and interesting way. Plus, he played traditional grip. That's commitment! Great examples of his playing for me, are At Fate's Hands, APSOG Part V, Still Remains, Leave the Past Behind.
Martin Lopez, I never got to see him live with Opeth, and while his drumming is cool, he's never truly blown me away with anything.
Updated guesses:
25. Maybe?
24. Possibly maybe? Probably not.
23. No idea
22. Mark Zonder Likely, I think
21. Highly Likely
20. Likely
19. Who knows?
18. Probably
17. Highly Likely.
16. Possibly
15. Blake Richardson. Good chance, but not definite.
14. Probably not.
13. Likely.
12. With this crowd, yes.
11. Possibly, but like 50/50 at best.
10. Likely.
9. He should be mandatory listening.
8. Likely.
7. Maybe.
6. Lock.
5. Should be a lock.
4. Likely.
3. Likely.
2. He better be a lock.
1. Lock.
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0/2. Never considered either guy.
I never really hear either one talked about very much in drumming circles, either. I guess a lot of people just cast votes for the drummers in their favorite bands?
Hard to have favorite players in bands you never listen to. Though as I noted, I don’t listen to that much FW (I own three of their albums). Zonder is a stud though.
I think it's more of sticking to one genre that at least, I'm alluding to.
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I’m 2 for 7 so far (had Alex Van Halen & Martin Lopez on my list). It’s interesting to see how many are saying they’re 0 for whatever, seems this list is more diverse than some of the previous “favorites” list.
One interesting thing is how the grouping of the drummers are. You'll see this when I post the final list but the rankings in this lower half are only points away. A ton of drummers missed the cut by just a few points.
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I never really hear either one talked about very much in drumming circles, either. I guess a lot of people just cast votes for the drummers in their favorite bands?
Yes and no. I have many favorite bands where their drummer didn't make my top 25 (U2, Radiohead, Queensryche, Death Cab, XTC, The Beatles, Kansas, etc.).
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I'm not a huge FW fan, but Zonder is a beast. A better Rockenfield, as I see it. He probably would have made my list somewhere on the basis of APSoGV if nothing else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15woJPN9G3E&ab_channel=MartiusIII
I've never cared for Opeth, so while I'm sure he's an excellent drummer I'm just not at all familar with Lopez's work. Just like the BTtBaM guy. Certainly neither can qualify as "my favourite."
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I never really hear either one talked about very much in drumming circles, either. I guess a lot of people just cast votes for the drummers in their favorite bands?
Yes and no. I have many favorite bands where their drummer didn't make my top 25 (U2, Radiohead, Queensryche, Death Cab, XTC, The Beatles, Kansas, etc.).
Same with me.
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19 - Mark Zonder
20 - Martin Lopez
Never heard of Lopez. This isn't the guy from Saved by the Bell, is it?
Zonder is, IMO, the best of the three drummers to play in Fates. Just incredible feel and sense of timing. Just listen to At Fates Hands. Incredible stuff. He even managed to incorporate electronic percussion into Fates's material and not have it sound revolting. Just an incredible player. Super pleased to see him make the list, and my prediction was pretty close.
25 Maybe...not sure
24 Probably not
23 I'd say 60-70% chance no
22 Probably
21 Probably not
20 Probably not
19 90% yes
18 Nein
17 Absolutely should be, but I'm thinking less than 50/50
16 Nope
15 Not even a little chance
14 No way, eh
13 90+% yes
12 Not a chance
11 Nope
10 I think yes, only about 60% sure
9 Bill Ward (Should be...75+% likely)
8 75+% likely
7 Cozy Powell (50/50)
6 Hmmm...really not sure, but I think less than 50/50
5 Same band as #8 - one of them should make it, if not both
4 90+% yes
3 Lock
2 Mark Zonder (Might sneak in around 21-25)
1 Lock for top 3
Not ranked: Gene Hoglan, Blake Richardson, Carter Beauford, Alex Van Halen, Martin Lopez
I never really hear either one talked about very much in drumming circles, either. I guess a lot of people just cast votes for the drummers in their favorite bands?
Yes and no. I have many favorite bands where their drummer didn't make my top 25 (U2, Radiohead, Queensryche, Death Cab, XTC, The Beatles, Kansas, etc.).
Yeah...all of the drummers on my list were from bands that I consider among my favorites. I would think that would be natural and would find it downright bizarre to have someone as a favorite drummer who isn't from a favorite band. But that doesn't mean every drummer from a favorite band makes the list. Also, I've never been to a drum circle, so I don't know what people talk about in them.
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All drummers on my list are from bands I enjoy or enjoyed. Might not be my favorite bands but I would not list someone just because they are considered by others to be the best drummers.
What would be the fun in that? There are already drummers lists out there.
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25 Reasonable chance, depending.
24 No chance in hell; there are other drummers IN HIS BAND that might, though.
23 He's either going to be in someone's top ten or not on the list, so probably won't make the final.
22 No chance. I might take some crap for this one.
21 No chance; most people won't know who he is.
20 No chance.
19 No chance (part of what will possibly be the only "father/son" pair on anyone's list)
18 No chance, due to this band being a pariah around here.
17 60-40 he makes it.
16 Probably no chance, but a crying shame. The man is a mule.
15. Slim chance; he is arguably my vote for best drummer in his genre, though there's another guy that gets all the press.
14 One of three guys from a certain band to make my list; probably won't make the final.
13 90% lock
12 100% lock
11 Slim chance; the other guy who replaced him has a better shot.
10 Should be a 100% lock; this forum? 50-50 at best.
9 Cozy Powell (I submitted my predictions AFTER this)
8 No. 11's "other guy". Should be 70-30 to make it.
7 Sadly, no chance.
6 Bill Ward (Sadly, probably no chance; he's a pale shell of his former self, but some of his early live work is incendiary.)
5 SHOULD BE 100% lock.
4 100% lock
3 100% lock
2 100% lock
1 100% lock and my guess for Number One overall.
27: Carter Beauford
NR: Gene Hoglan
NR: Martin Lopez
NR: Blake Richardson
NR: Alex Van Halen
NR: Mark Zonder
I never really hear either one talked about very much in drumming circles, either. I guess a lot of people just cast votes for the drummers in their favorite bands?
Yes and no. I have many favorite bands where their drummer didn't make my top 25 (U2, Radiohead, Queensryche, Death Cab, XTC, The Beatles, Kansas, etc.).
Well, first, you made a mistake, Kev. You said "I have many favorite bands where their drummer didn't make my top 25", then inadvertently listed The Beatles. ;) :) :) :) :)
Second, I didn't just list the drummers of my favorite bands - Peter Criss was NOWHERE near my list - but I had to be at least familiar with the band for a drummer to make the list, else, how could I know their playing? There's not many, but there are a couple people on my list that I just know they're monsters but don't really care all that much for the bands they played in.
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Yea, I don't think Hef was implying that people should choose drummers from bands they dislike.
I guess he meant more the mentality of "Well I like this band....so I will list their drummer."
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Yea, I don't think Hef was implying that people should choose drummers from bands they dislike.
I guess he meant more the mentality of "Well I like this band....so I will list their drummer."
This.
For God's sake, people. I certainly didn't list drummers of acts I don't like. Why would anyone do that?
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Yea, I don't think Hef was implying that people should choose drummers from bands they dislike.
I guess he meant more the mentality of "Well I like this band....so I will list their drummer."
This.
For God's sake, people. I certainly didn't list drummers of acts I don't like. Why would anyone do that?
I mean, I don't think you were saying that, but now that we HAVE said it, why not, though? My number 28 is the primary drummer in a band I really do not like (they have one good album, another that I like because I like the guitar player that played on it but it's not really that good, and I consider the singer to be top three worst singers in mainstream, arena-level bands. And I haven't even MENTIONED the travesty that is their nomination and election into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.)
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I never really hear either one talked about very much in drumming circles, either. I guess a lot of people just cast votes for the drummers in their favorite bands?
Yes and no. I have many favorite bands where their drummer didn't make my top 25 (U2, Radiohead, Queensryche, Death Cab, XTC, The Beatles, Kansas, etc.).
Well, first, you made a mistake, Kev. You said "I have many favorite bands where their drummer didn't make my top 25", then inadvertently listed The Beatles. ;) :) :) :) :)
Ha! Sorry, but as much as I love the Beatles. Ringo doesn't sniff my list. He was influential, yes, and I don't think he was as crappy as some thought, but one of the best ever? Nah.
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I never really hear either one talked about very much in drumming circles, either. I guess a lot of people just cast votes for the drummers in their favorite bands?
Yes and no. I have many favorite bands where their drummer didn't make my top 25 (U2, Radiohead, Queensryche, Death Cab, XTC, The Beatles, Kansas, etc.).
Well, first, you made a mistake, Kev. You said "I have many favorite bands where their drummer didn't make my top 25", then inadvertently listed The Beatles. ;) :) :) :) :)
Ha! Sorry, but as much as I love the Beatles. Ringo doesn't sniff my list. He was influential, yes, and I don't think he was as crappy as some thought, but one of the best ever? Nah.
NO SPOTLIGHTING!!!
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I never really hear either one talked about very much in drumming circles, either. I guess a lot of people just cast votes for the drummers in their favorite bands?
Yes and no. I have many favorite bands where their drummer didn't make my top 25 (U2, Radiohead, Queensryche, Death Cab, XTC, The Beatles, Kansas, etc.).
Well, first, you made a mistake, Kev. You said "I have many favorite bands where their drummer didn't make my top 25", then inadvertently listed The Beatles. ;) :) :) :) :)
Ha! Sorry, but as much as I love the Beatles. Ringo doesn't sniff my list. He was influential, yes, and I don't think he was as crappy as some thought, but one of the best ever? Nah.
NO SPOTLIGHTING!!!
This legit made me laugh out loud at work lmao
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I never really hear either one talked about very much in drumming circles, either. I guess a lot of people just cast votes for the drummers in their favorite bands?
Yes and no. I have many favorite bands where their drummer didn't make my top 25 (U2, Radiohead, Queensryche, Death Cab, XTC, The Beatles, Kansas, etc.).
Well, first, you made a mistake, Kev. You said "I have many favorite bands where their drummer didn't make my top 25", then inadvertently listed The Beatles. ;) :) :) :) :)
Ha! Sorry, but as much as I love the Beatles. Ringo doesn't sniff my list. He was influential, yes, and I don't think he was as crappy as some thought, but one of the best ever? Nah.
NO SPOTLIGHTING!!!
NO GASLIGHTING!!!
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I never really hear either one talked about very much in drumming circles, either. I guess a lot of people just cast votes for the drummers in their favorite bands?
Yes and no. I have many favorite bands where their drummer didn't make my top 25 (U2, Radiohead, Queensryche, Death Cab, XTC, The Beatles, Kansas, etc.).
Well, first, you made a mistake, Kev. You said "I have many favorite bands where their drummer didn't make my top 25", then inadvertently listed The Beatles. ;) :) :) :) :)
Ha! Sorry, but as much as I love the Beatles. Ringo doesn't sniff my list. He was influential, yes, and I don't think he was as crappy as some thought, but one of the best ever? Nah.
Also, thread title ... "favorite". ;) :D ;D :P :-*
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Just keeping it fresh...
25- Alex Van Halen Should be there
24- Nope
23- Mayyybeee
22- Definitely not, and a damn shame too
21- Lock
20- Should make the list
19- Lock
18- They'd be on everyone's list if they heard them
17- Blake Richardson (Yeah)
16- Probably
15- Lock
14- Might make it, definitely worthy
13- Unfortunately no
12- Lock
11- Another unfortunately no
10- Lock
9- Not too sure...we'll see
8- Lock
7- Lock
6- No, and I hate you all that they won't make it
5- Lock
4- See #6, multiply by 1000
3- Yeah
2- Lock
1- Lock
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Gene Hoglan
Cozy Powell
Bill Ward
Carter Beuford
Martin Lopez
Mark Zonder
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I mean, I don't think you were saying that, but now that we HAVE said it, why not, though? My number 28 is the primary drummer in a band I really do not like (they have one good album, another that I like because I like the guitar player that played on it but it's not really that good, and I consider the singer to be top three worst singers in mainstream, arena-level bands. And I haven't even MENTIONED the travesty that is their nomination and election into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.)
Maybe it'll make sense if, when we get to the end of this thing, you remember this discussion and mention whom you're talking about here. However, the answer to the "why not," is that I can't conceive of a circumstance where a drummer in a band I don't like is a FAVORITE of mine. If I don't like a band, I'm not listening to the band, so the drummer couldn't possibly become a favorite. I could understand that the drummers among us might like guys independent of bands they don't like, but a drummer I am not.
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I will say that as a drummer, there are certain players I like watching and listening to independent of the bands they play for. For Beauford, for example, I do like DMB to a certain extent, but they are not a top favorite band like others are. But his playing is my favorite thing about them, and he has also done other excellent work as well.
I have players all over the spectrum. Bands I love and also love their drummers. Bands I love but don't consider their drummers particularly exceptional. Band I'm not as into but love their drummers. Bands I'm not that into and also don't care for their drummers. And all points inbetween.
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I will say that as a drummer, there are certain players I like watching and listening to independent of the bands they play for. For Beauford, for example, I do like DMB to a certain extent, but they are not a top favorite band like others are. But his playing is my favorite thing about them, and he has also done other excellent work as well.
I have players all over the spectrum. Bands I love and also love their drummers. Bands I love but don't consider their drummers particularly exceptional. Band I'm not as into but love their drummers. Bands I'm not that into and also don't care for their drummers. And all points inbetween.
I have a few like that...just a joy to watch them breakdown whatever they're playing, no matter whether they're with their band or just jamming or doing a solo. Just watching them be lost in the music is a delight.
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20 - Martin Lopez
Appeared on 8 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 4 (LithoJazzoSphere)
4 Top 10 Finishes
19 - Mark Zonder
Appeared on 8 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (pg1067)
4 Top 10 Finishes
I'm not familar with Lopez. Obviously the drumming is great in Opeth..
I had Mark Zonder at #19.
Zonder was 22 on my list. Really creative drummer and his drumming with Fates is so tasteful. Like Neil Peart, he puts a lot of thought into composing his drum parts, oftentimes taking a "song within a song" approach to how he would structure things. That kind of precision and attention to detail was somewhat unique, especially in metal at the time. He also incorporated electronic drums into his kit in a very subtle and interesting way. Plus, he played traditional grip. That's commitment! Great examples of his playing for me, are At Fate's Hands, APSOG Part V, Still Remains, Leave the Past Behind.
I agree with all of this. He was so musical in his playing. The first verse may be a pattern on the toms, and then the next verse will be the same pattern on the cymbals. Really thoughtful.
Also, I only saw Fates Warning once and it was in a very small club on the Inside Out tour. I was at the stage and the drums were literally 4 feet from me. I had a "eye to eye" view of Zonder and I was blown away! Yes, the traditional grip thing jumped out at me, and the guy looked like a master technician. Out of place, actually. Unfortunately, I was recording shows around that time, and did not have my camera. The recording came out like gahbage. Should've brought the camera.
List Not Listed
25 Bill Ward
24 Gene Hoglan Blake Richardson
23 Carter Beauford
22 Martin Lopez
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20
19 Mark Zonder
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17
16
15
14
13
12
11
10 Cozy Powell
9
8 Alex Van Halen
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6
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Oh, and I forgot to comment on the players of the day. Obviously I seem to be the most fond of Lopez here. He's a classic case of sometimes feel winning out over technicality. He has plenty of chops, but clearly not as much as Axenrot who replaced him (who is on my honorable mentions but didn't have a chance at the main list). But there's a certain fluidity to his playing that was irreplacable, and part of it seemed to be chemistry with the band, because while I like his playing in Soen as well, it's not nearly at the level of Opeth for me.
The limited amount of Zonder I've seen and heard has been impressive, but I just don't know his work well enough.
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19 - Mark Zonder
Appeared on 8 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (pg1067)
4 Top 10 Finishes
20 - Martin Lopez
Appeared on 8 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 4 (LithoJazzoSphere)
4 Top 10 Finishes
Martin Lopez -my rank 20. Just love his style and creativity. I do like Soen, but Lopez is on my list for his work with Opeth which is stellar. Great write up by Litho on why Lopez is great.
Mark Zonder - didn't make it on my list.
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What Opeth albums is he on?
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What Opeth albums is he on?
My Arms, Your Hearse (Opeth's third album)
Still Life (my personal favourite)
Blackwater Park
Deliverance
Damnation
Ghost Reveries
These are overall all my favourite Opeth albums.
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What Opeth albums is he on?
My Arms, Your Hearse (Opeth's third album)
Still Life (my personal favourite)
Blackwater Park
Deliverance
Damnation
Ghost Reveries
These are overall all my favourite Opeth albums.
Thanks Realm!
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What Opeth albums is he on?
My Arms, Your Hearse (Opeth's third album)
Still Life (my personal favourite)
Blackwater Park
Deliverance
Damnation
Ghost Reveries
These are overall all my favourite Opeth albums.
What an incredible run of albums! That's why he made my list, upon reviewing the albums he actually played on I had to include him.
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19 - Mark Zonder
Appeared on 8 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (pg1067)
4 Top 10 Finishes
20 - Martin Lopez
Appeared on 8 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 4 (LithoJazzoSphere)
4 Top 10 Finishes
Mark Zonder - I had Zonder at number 5. I often wonder what those early FW albums would sound like if Zonder was with them from the start. Yes, he's a technical monster! Yes, he is precise. However, the musicality he brings to the drums is something few other drummers can pull off, which is why he is so high on my list. He was in my opinion the best FW drummer by a long shot.
Martin Lopez - Had him at #13. He just has such a great feel for rhythm and groove. I love his choices in fills and patterns.
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What Opeth albums is he on?
My Arms, Your Hearse (Opeth's third album)
Still Life (my personal favourite)
Blackwater Park
Deliverance
Damnation
Ghost Reveries
These are overall all my favourite Opeth albums.
What an incredible run of albums! That's why he made my list, upon reviewing the albums he actually played on I had to include him.
Yep, love Lopez's drumwork on those Opeth records. I think he has a fairly unique/recognizable style.
Different genre overall, but his work on the Soen albums is pretty tasty too...
Oh, and Zonder is amazing, one of my favorites, for sure. His drumming on the Perfect Symmetry/Parallels/Inside Out run is pristine.
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Another one for me. Zonder is top 5. I just love his style and his drumming has always been one of the highlights on both Parallels and Inside Out.
25.
24. Gene Hoglan
23. Cozy Powell
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10. Bill Ward
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8. Blake Richardson
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5. Mark Zonder
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Lopez didn't rate but he is fantastic. Love watching him on the Lamentations DVD.
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Lopez didn't rate but he is fantastic. Love watching him on the Lamentations DVD.
Right?! He's so good on that one. The drumming on the Damnation songs too...super tasteful.
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Lopez is one of the things I keep getting hypnotized by on Ghost Reveries.
That drumming is so smooth that you forget how complex and intricate it is.
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4/8 I like a lot of FW but nothing I've heard from Zonder landed him in my top 59. Lopez? Yes! He placed higher by the group than I thought he would. Shows that his popularity has had lasting power. Smoothest, tastiest Opeth drummer in my book. His chemistry with Mendez was a special part of that era of Opeth. As others have said, he made/makes intricate and complex grooves sound effortless and just right for the song. Haven't heard a lot of Soen but like what I've heard.
25. I think this maniac will be picked
24. Dirty chance he'll make it
23. Pretty sure you'd say "who"?
22. I miss this guy. Wish he was still with us. Not gonna make it here. :'(
21. This weirdo won't make it. 40 years and 14 studio albums with the same original quartet+. Impressive stuff.
20. Carter Beauford (A unique cat whose style is highly revered in drumming circles. Not sure here though.)
19. Huge name. Guaranteed pick.
18. Spicy lefty. He has a shot.
17. Martin Lopez In 2005, a no-brainer to be on here. Today. Maybe?
16. Probably won't be here. It's a crime.
15. 100% this monster's here.
14. Alex Van Halen (Brother of a legend on one of our other lists. Won't be surprised if he makes this list.)
13. Groove metal master. Won't make the list though.
12. Another real cool cat. A rock player with a huge jazz background. I'm gonna say he won't be named here.
11. Classic rocker who's very likely.
10. Blake Richardson (Also very likely but not a classic rocker.)
9. Liked him before, but since the band's 3rd release in 93 I have loved his playing. Not going to make the list.
8. He started further down my list. But the more I thought about it, his talent and style make him absolutely unique. Probably.
7. This forum? Of course.
6. Prog dude. Pretty sure he'll be here.
5. Not sure on him. Highly respected, but not sure how well his name is known outside the drumming community.
4. Second one on my list who's known by a nickname. (My first draft had three). Not going to be named here.
3. For sure. Legend
2. I've thought mostly highly and sometimes low of this guy. He's still my number 2 basher though.
1. The master
42ish. Bill Ward
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I never really hear either one talked about very much in drumming circles, either. I guess a lot of people just cast votes for the drummers in their favorite bands?
Yes and no. I have many favorite bands where their drummer didn't make my top 25 (U2, Radiohead, Queensryche, Death Cab, XTC, The Beatles, Kansas, etc.).
Well, first, you made a mistake, Kev. You said "I have many favorite bands where their drummer didn't make my top 25", then inadvertently listed The Beatles. ;) :) :) :) :)
Ha! Sorry, but as much as I love the Beatles. Ringo doesn't sniff my list. He was influential, yes, and I don't think he was as crappy as some thought, but one of the best ever? Nah.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/de/72/a4/de72a417a834812bd4c83b99b94d345c.jpg)
;)
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A couple more!
17 - Scott Rockenfield
Appeared on 10 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 6 (pg1067)
2 Top 10 Finishes
A perfect fit for QR. Great tone, great originality and just great playing. He made my list but didn't crack the top 10.
18 - Stewart Copeland
Appeared on 9 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 6 (KevShmev & ReaperKK)
3 Top 10 Finishes
I'm not a huge Police fan but I end listening to them simply to hear Stewart's playing. The guy is incredibly innovative and has a sound that is impossible to reproduce. He seems to think about the drums in a different way than most other players.
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Who?
Yea, no chance for either of these on my list.
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Oh wow, I figured Copeland had no chance to make it, so I am pleased as punch to see that he did! Incredible player. The way he attacks the snare is something else. In the annals of drum fills I air drum (or desk drum or steering wheel drum :lol), the one near the end of Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic is one I do EVERY SINGLE TIME. I can be busy as hell at work and if that song is on in the background, I am still doing that fill on my desk. Without fail, every single time. The song Synchronicity would simply be good in the hands of a merely good drummer, but with Copeland, it became godly. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Rockenfield is a good rock drummer, but as much as I like the prime Queensryche era, he has never struck me as anything more than just a good rock drummer. Good, but nothing special.
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I didn't submit a list, but if I had, Copeland would've been top-10 easily, if not top-5.
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Who?
Yea, no chance for either of these on my list.
Is that for both? You don't know who Copeland is?
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Who?
Yea, no chance for either of these on my list.
Is that for both? You don't know who Copeland is?
I know now :lol I of course know QR and The Police, but if you'd asked me to name their drummers I'd have had no clue.
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I had both on my larger list of guys to consider. Rockenfield I feel like is a good drummer but not a ton about him stands out to me. Copeland is awesome, but I know relatively little of his stuff. I only really know the hits by The Police and haven’t heard any of his work outside of that band. What I do know is great though.
Would also note that Copeland played just the high hat on Peter Gabriel’s Red Rain, and that’s an all time high hat performance. Definitely helped him garner a little extra consideration for my list.
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It's like asking about an acor from the 40's and 50's like Humphrey Bogart. Who the hell is this guy? :lol
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25 Reasonable chance, depending.
24 No chance in hell; there are other drummers IN HIS BAND that might, though.
23 He's either going to be in someone's top ten or not on the list, so probably won't make the final.
22 No chance. I might take some crap for this one.
21 No chance; most people won't know who he is.
20 No chance.
19 No chance (part of what will possibly be the only "father/son" pair on anyone's list)
18 No chance, due to this band being a pariah around here.
17 60-40 he makes it.
16 Probably no chance, but a crying shame. The man is a mule.
15. Slim chance; he is arguably my vote for best drummer in his genre, though there's another guy that gets all the press.
14 One of three guys from a certain band to make my list; probably won't make the final.
13 90% lock
12 100% lock
11 Slim chance; the other guy who replaced him has a better shot.
10 Should be a 100% lock; this forum? 50-50 at best.
9 Cozy Powell (I submitted my predictions AFTER this)
8 No. 11's "other guy". Should be 70-30 to make it.
7 Sadly, no chance.
6 Bill Ward (Sadly, probably no chance; he's a pale shell of his former self, but some of his early live work is incendiary.)
5 SHOULD BE 100% lock.
4 100% lock
3 100% lock
2 100% lock
1 100% lock and my guess for Number One overall.
27: Carter Beauford
NR: Stewart Copeland
NR: Gene Hoglan
NR: Martin Lopez
NR: Blake Richardson
NR: Scott Rockenfield
NR: Alex Van Halen
NR: Mark Zonder
Yeah, I didn't rate Stewart Copeland, and I think that was a mistake, frankly. He's really a smart, crisp drummer and I love that. I don't know that he would have cracked the Top 20, but he should have been in there somewhere.
Whoever said that Scott Rockenfield (I always thought that was a made up name) was just a good rock drummer, nothing special, nailed it. Certainly QR holds a special place (at least a couple albums do) but their music is such that other than Geoff Tate, it's more a "sum of the parts" thing. He was never considered for this list, and I'm still ok with that.
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17 - Scott Rockenfield
Appeared on 10 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 6 (pg1067)
2 Top 10 Finishes
18 - Stewart Copeland
Appeared on 9 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 6 (KevShmev & ReaperKK)
3 Top 10 Finishes
Obviously, Stewart Copeland is amazing. Not into The Police or know of anything else he's done, but definitely deserving.
I had Scott Rockenfield at #11. He really has a great style.
Whoever said that Scott Rockenfield (I always thought that was a made up name) was just a good rock drummer, nothing special, nailed it. Certainly QR holds a special place (at least a couple albums do) but their music is such that other than Geoff Tate, it's more a "sum of the parts" thing. He was never considered for this list, and I'm still ok with that.
What I would say to this...as a Queensryche fan that got on board with The EP, and bought Warning in real time, is that as great as Tate is, and he is, my greatest joy listening to Queensryche is air drumming the Warning album.
List Not Listed
25 Bill Ward
24 Gene Hoglan Blake Richardson
23 Carter Beauford
22 Martin Lopez
21 Stewart Copeland
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19 Mark Zonder
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17
16
15
14
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11 Scott Rockenfield
10 Cozy Powell
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8 Alex Van Halen
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Another 0/2... not leaving a ton of room for the prog drummers, especially knowing which guys are locks here.
Based on how things are, I'm gonna say 15, 10, 7, and mayyyybe #3 are no longer locks. (If #3 doesn't make it, you all should be fucking ashamed of yourselves)
25- Alex Van Halen Should be there
24- Nope
23- Mayyybeee
22- Definitely not, and a damn shame too
21- Lock
20- Should make the list
19- Lock
18- They'd be on everyone's list if they heard them
17- Blake Richardson (Yeah)
16- Probably
15- Lock
14- Might make it, definitely worthy
13- Unfortunately no
12- Lock
11- Another unfortunately no
10- Lock
9- Not too sure...we'll see
8- Lock
7- Lock
6- No, and I hate you all that they won't make it
5- Lock
4- See #6, multiply by 1000
3- Yeah
2- Lock
1- Lock
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Gene Hoglan
Cozy Powell
Bill Ward
Carter Beuford
Martin Lopez
Mark Zonder
Scott Rockenfield
Stewart Copeland
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Stewart Copeland is awesome, very original and still inimitable - ReaperKK made a perfect summary. He was my first drum hero and my #15 in this list.
I love Scott Rockenfield, he's a kind of a mix between Neil Peart and Alan White, with some metal in. He's so recognizable in QR's sound, even on Tateryche years.
Yes, I truly love more than 25 drummers! :D
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I had Stuart at #20. He was a one of a kind drummer who's style so many drummer knew. Praised by all styles of drummers. A great friend of Neil Peart.
Scott Rockenfield made my top 30. He was a honorable mention for me. I saw Queensryche open for Kiss on the Animalize tour. He blew me away. He was Neil Peart like live and I rushed out to get The Warning the next day.
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Rockenfield is good, but not a stand out to me.
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Scott Rockenfield made my top 30. He was a honorable mention for me. I saw Queensryche open for Kiss on the Animalize tour. He blew me away. He was Neil Peart like live and I rushed out to get The Warning the next day.
Stop it!
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Hey, 16 year old me felt that way. It was the high hat ride rhythm that lead me to think that.
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Copeland is great but didn’t make my list.
Nothing about Rockenfield’s drumming has ever stood out to me. Not bad, just nothing exceptional.
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Copeland didn't make my list, but he was real close. His playing with The Police is undeniable. That snare sound, his hi hat playing, the traditional grip, and above all, the "FUCK YOU!" attitude in his playing is readily identifiable.
Scott Rockenfield would have made my list thirty years ago, but honestly, the last thing he played on that I really liked his drumming was Promised Land.
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Hey, 16 year old me felt that way. It was the high hat ride rhythm that lead me to think that.
I was pointing out your play on words fool.
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:facepalm:
Blonde moment. :lol
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Who?
Yea, no chance for either of these on my list.
And yeah that's for both for me.
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Got my first drummer in.... Stewart Copeland at 20
25 highly likely
24 no way
23 probsbly
22 no chance
21 slight possibility
20 Stewart Copeland - possible
19 slight possibility
18 doubt it, but he should
17 possinle
16 probably not
15 possible
14 possible
13 sadly not a chance
12 doubt it
11 no way in hell
10 definitely
9 possible
8 possible
7 possible
6 sadly not a chance
5 definitely
4 definitely
3 high probability
2 sadly I don't think he will make but he should
1 Locked in here....
Not ranked:
Gene Hoglan
Cozy Powell
Blake Richardson
Bill Ward
Carter Beauford
Alex Van Halen
Scott Rockenfield
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1/2. I had Copeland at 22. Just an amazingly gifted drummer and composer.
Never considered Rockenfield. I'm not a QR fan by any stretch, but I've certainly listened to a good amount of their output, and the drumming never really stood out to me.
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17 - Scott Rockenfield
18 - Stewart Copeland
Scott Rockenfield was a beast on the first half dozen QR albums. I remember being super confused for a long time by the 7/8 measure in Warning - primarily because Rockenfield moved through it so seemlessly. I loved everything he did on those albums, and he was just as good (if not better) live as he was on the albums.
Copeland wasn't among those I considered as a favorite, because I'm just not that much of a Police fan and I'm not familiar with his more recent work. But I know he's well-regarded by a lot of folks.
25 Maybe...not sure
24 Probably not
23 I'd say 60-70% chance no
22 Probably
21 Probably not
20 Probably not
19 90% yes
18 Nein
17 Absolutely should be, but I'm thinking less than 50/50
16 Nope
15 Not even a little chance
14 No way, eh
13 90+% yes
12 Not a chance
11 Nope
10 I think yes, only about 60% sure
9 Bill Ward (Should be...75+% likely)
8 75+% likely
7 Cozy Powell (50/50)
6 Scott Rockenfield (Hmmm...really not sure, but I think less than 50/50)
5 Same band as #8 - one of them should make it, if not both
4 90+% yes
3 Lock
2 Mark Zonder (Might sneak in around 21-25)
1 Lock for top 3
Not ranked: Gene Hoglan, Blake Richardson, Carter Beauford, Alex Van Halen, Martin Lopez, Stewart Copeland
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Just a head's up, for those interested in a more modern Stewart Copeland, listen to the excellent album by Oysterhead - The Grand Pecking Order (2001). Great chemistry between him, Les Claypool and Trey Anastasio. Stewart even incorporate some tasty double bass drumming and he plays very well, totally him!
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Just a head's up, for those interested in a more modern Stewart Copeland, listen to the excellent album by Oysterhead - The Grand Pecking Order (2001). Great chemistry between him, Les Claypool and Trey Anastasio. Stewart even incorporate some tasty double bass drumming and he plays very well, totally him!
Fair warning though, it is very eclectic.
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Just a head's up, for those interested in a more modern Stewart Copeland, listen to the excellent album by Oysterhead - The Grand Pecking Order (2001). Great chemistry between him, Les Claypool and Trey Anastasio. Stewart even incorporate some tasty double bass drumming and he plays very well, totally him!
Fair warning though, it is very eclectic.
I used to have the song Mr. Oysterhead downloaded somewhere. That was a fun song.
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Just a head's up, for those interested in a more modern Stewart Copeland, listen to the excellent album by Oysterhead - The Grand Pecking Order (2001). Great chemistry between him, Les Claypool and Trey Anastasio. Stewart even incorporate some tasty double bass drumming and he plays very well, totally him!
You had me up until Les Claypool.
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Just a head's up, for those interested in a more modern Stewart Copeland, listen to the excellent album by Oysterhead - The Grand Pecking Order (2001). Great chemistry between him, Les Claypool and Trey Anastasio. Stewart even incorporate some tasty double bass drumming and he plays very well, totally him!
Fair warning though, it is very eclectic.
It is, but Stewart SLAYS on that record.
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I really struggled with NOT putting Copeland on my list, but with only 5 (I think) studio albums with the Police, I just couldn't justify it. He was 26 for me.
Rockenfield ... Livecrime is a top 3 live album of all time, and he's probably a bigger reason than Tate for that.
25. His reputation should put him on here
24. No chance in hell
23. I highly doubt it.
22. perhaps?
21. Should be, but most will probably overlook him
20. Maybe?
19. Legend, but won't make it
18. Fo sho
17. Doubt it
16. Nope
15. Prolly not
14. Dunno… maybe?
13. Nope
12. Even the fans of this band have probably forgotten about him
11. should be, but doubt it
10. He's gotta be there
9. Nada
8. Scott Rockenfield Possibly
7. Fo sho
6. Nope
5. Not gonna happen ('specially if Joe/RJ didn't put him on their lists)
4. Alex Van Halen He better be
3. Him too (I'm bothered by your lack of faith, RJ)
2. Guaran-damn-teed
1. As for sure as death and taxes
(If #3 doesn't make it, you all should be fucking ashamed of yourselves)
Agreed! He's My #10, and hopefully the fogeys will represent.
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(If #3 doesn't make it, you all should be fucking ashamed of yourselves)
Agreed! He's My #10, and hopefully the fogeys will represent.
Who??
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Just a head's up, for those interested in a more modern Stewart Copeland, listen to the excellent album by Oysterhead - The Grand Pecking Order (2001). Great chemistry between him, Les Claypool and Trey Anastasio. Stewart even incorporate some tasty double bass drumming and he plays very well, totally him!
You had me up until Les Claypool.
Well, Les isn't for everyone, but this album is maybe the most acessible he had ever recorded, with basically Trey singing. But it's indeed eclectic.
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I enjoyed the Oysterhead, it's probably the only thing I enjoy that has Les Claypool in it.
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I'm a casual Queensryche fan, and Scott's playing for the most part hasn't particularly stood out to me, so far anyway.
Copeland is on my honorable mentions list. A really unique style, love the reggae influences, the hat work, the splashes, the higher-pitched toms, etc.
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(If #3 doesn't make it, you all should be fucking ashamed of yourselves)
Agreed! He's My #10, and hopefully the fogeys will represent.
He didn't make my list and I'm really not all that ashamed. ;D
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(If #3 doesn't make it, you all should be fucking ashamed of yourselves)
Agreed! He's My #10, and hopefully the fogeys will represent.
He didn't make my list and I'm really not all that ashamed. ;D
That's obvious with your takes. :lol
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I had Copeland and Rockenfield.
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17 - Scott Rockenfield
Appeared on 10 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 6 (pg1067)
2 Top 10 Finishes
18 - Stewart Copeland
Appeared on 9 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 6 (KevShmev & ReaperKK)
3 Top 10 Finishes
Stewart Copeland - he is awesome but didn't make my list.
Scott Rockenfield - my number 15. Always loved his style and his playing, especially on the early QR albums.
Currently tracking at 5 out of 10 which is pretty much where I expected to be.
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Had Rockenfield but not Copeland. Not just his playing, but the sound of Scott’s drums was usually awesome (not all his doing I know). 5/9 so far.
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Another one point difference!
15 - Lars Ulrich
Appeared on 11 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 5 (Adami & twosuitsluke)
3 Top 10 Finishes
Lars was my number 20 and while he is probably the worst drummer on my list from a technical point of view his speaking influence alone would've landed him in the top 5. I can remember clear as day the first time I saw Lars play which was the 3 song set for the Freddie Mercury tribute concert. He was the coolest dude with an incredible drum kit. He was really the first drummer I liked and is who inspired me to pick up drums in middle school.
It's easy to shit on him now, and he deserves it a lot of the time but when I watch those old Metallica videos I still get more excited than I do most of the other drummers on my list.
16 - Dave Lombardo
Appeared on 9 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 4 (twosuitsluke)
4 Top 10 Finishes
My first introduction to Dave was through youtube. I saw a random video come up and was impressed which lead my down a rabbit hole for the night. The guy is a powerhouse.
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0 for 2.
I'll bite my tongue on Lars for Adami's sake.
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Still only one for me.... never considered any of these two
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I know both but none would've made my list really.
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Never much of a fan of Slayer. Lars wouldn’t even touch my top 50. Every time I hear his name, I think of the dude on YT that did “if Lars played Dance of Eternity”, and “if Portnoy played Enter Sandman”
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I've never seen that video, I gotta go check it out :lol
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Never much of a fan of Slayer. Lars wouldn’t even touch my top 50. Every time I hear his name, I think of the dude on YT that did “if Lars played Dance of Eternity”, and “if Portnoy played Enter Sandman”
Just checked it out, amazing :lol
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25. No Beard
24. Bill Ward
23. No beard
22. No beard
21. Blake Richardson
20. Beard
19. Beard
18. Sometimes beard
17. No beard
16. Slight beard
15. Slight beard
14. Beard
13. Slight beard
12. No beard
11. Blue
10. Slight beard
9. Dave Lombardo
8. Used to have a beard
7. No beard
6. Gene Hoglan
5. No beard
4. No beard
3. Spock
2. Slight beard
1. Used to have a beard.
Love Metallica, but lol lars
Not a huge Slayer fan but Dave is an incredible drummer in any context.#9 on my list
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Ulrich is the Keyser Söze of the music world. The greatest trick he ever pulled was convincing some he is a good drummer.
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0/2 again. Didn't even consider either.
25- Alex Van Halen Should be there
24- Nope
23- Mayyybeee
22- Definitely not, and a damn shame too
21- Lock
20- Should make the list
19- Lock
18- They'd be on everyone's list if they heard them
17- Blake Richardson (Yeah)
16- Probably
15- Lock
14- Might make it, definitely worthy
13- Unfortunately no
12- Lock
11- Another unfortunately no
10- Lock
9- Not too sure...we'll see
8- Lock
7- Lock
6- No, and I hate you all that they won't make it
5- Lock
4- See #6, multiply by 1000
3- Yeah
2- Lock
1- Lock
Not Listed-
Gene Hoglan
Cozy Powell
Bill Ward
Carter Beuford
Martin Lopez
Mark Zonder
Scott Rockenfield
Stewart Copeland
Lars Ulrich
Dave Lombardo
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Nope to both. Don’t like Metallica at all and don’t really know Lars’ playing. I’ve heard of Lombardo and maybe seen some videos but not familiar with him.
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25 Reasonable chance, depending.
24 No chance in hell; there are other drummers IN HIS BAND that might, though.
23 He's either going to be in someone's top ten or not on the list, so probably won't make the final.
22 No chance. I might take some crap for this one.
21 No chance; most people won't know who he is.
20 No chance.
19 No chance (part of what will possibly be the only "father/son" pair on anyone's list)
18 No chance, due to this band being a pariah around here.
17 60-40 he makes it.
16 Probably no chance, but a crying shame. The man is a mule.
15. Slim chance; he is arguably my vote for best drummer in his genre, though there's another guy that gets all the press.
14 One of three guys from a certain band to make my list; probably won't make the final.
13 90% lock
12 100% lock
11 Slim chance; the other guy who replaced him has a better shot.
10 Should be a 100% lock; this forum? 50-50 at best.
9 Cozy Powell (I submitted my predictions AFTER this)
8 No. 11's "other guy". Should be 70-30 to make it.
7 Sadly, no chance.
6 Bill Ward (Sadly, probably no chance; he's a pale shell of his former self, but some of his early live work is incendiary.)
5 SHOULD BE 100% lock.
4 100% lock
3 100% lock
2 100% lock
1 100% lock and my guess for Number One overall.
27: Carter Beauford
38: Lars Ulrich
NR: Stewart Copeland
NR: Gene Hoglan
NR: Dave Lombardo
NR: Martin Lopez
NR: Blake Richardson
NR: Scott Rockenfield
NR: Alex Van Halen
NR: Mark Zonder
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25. Should be top 10 but won't cause y'all suck
24. A real reach for favorite but whatever, won't make the list anyway
23. Obvious choice. (Alex Van Halen)
22. Won't be surprised either way with this one
21. Probably gonna make the final list? Maybe?
20. Will definitely make the list
19. Not a chance, but should be if we're including metal drummers
18. Probably not, but who knows?
17. Not a chance, but an early influence on my rock/metal groove style
16. Not a chance in hell and that's fine
15. No way Jose.
14. Higher chance that Stadler votes for Hillary
13. Obviously will make collective top 5.
12. Maybe? Out of touch with forum on this stuff
11. Not gonna happen
10. Probably will make the final list
9. Lock for top 20
8. It's a crime this guy is so unknown and therefore won't make the list
7. Nah, cause liking his band used to mean you got made fun of
6. Possible? But unlikely.
5. This is the collective forum's favorite drummer.....to poop on! (Lars Ulrich)
4. Better be in the top 10. BETTER BE!
3. Kev won't be voting for this guy, but I imagine he'll rank high
2. Too obvious
1. Also super obviously in the top 5.
1/2
Yes, Lars is the butt of all the jokes. Yes, he is a lazy drummer creatively. Yes, he is often barely keeping it together live. Yes, his personality is not for everyone.
But you know what? He's also the guy that made me want to listen to rock/metal music and become a drummer in the first place. Whenever I'm playing drums and there's a mid tempo heavy groove, I always try to channel a Lars back beat. Dude has groove. This isn't a list of best drummers or most technical drummers, or whatever. It's just favorites. And for all his crap, I enjoy watching/listening to Lars a lot more than I do a lot of other drummers. So I'm happy to have him at 5.
Don't care about Lombardo.
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Got a little bit of catching up to do. Also there were 2 major crimes committed today. :corn
Stewart Copeland - Didn't have him in my top 25, but was seriously considered. Had him at #34 on my full list. He's another one of those drummers that make their parts extremely musical and memorable. You instantly know it's Copeland when you hear his drumming.
Scott Rockenfield - As much as I love Queensryche, Rockenfield was never the reason. He's a good drummer that got the job done, but never stood out to me.
Crime #1 Lars Ulrich - I guess I kind of get it, but seriously? #15? .......I guess I need to remember this is a favorite drummers list. I mean, y'all are wrong, but I get it. I mean, I love Metallica in spite of Lars. Sorry Adami.... :)
Crime #2 Dave Lombardo - I have no problem with him being on the list (I personally didn't even have him on my short list), but being higher than Gene Hoglan is a serious oversight, considering Lombardo wouldn't be the drummer he is without Hoglan. Plus Hoglan is better.......subjectively, I guess.... ::)
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Honestly, I will take Lars finishing only at 15 as a win. I figured he'd make the top 10 given how hugely popular his band is here, but the fact that he was left off 18 of the 29 lists is a comforting thought. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Lars didn't make my Top 25, just because I admire more other drummers than him. But I really like the musicality and sound of his drums from RTL to ReLoad, even with its changes over time, and I think his drumming on AJFA is great.
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15 - Lars Ulrich
Appeared on 11 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 5 (Adami & twosuitsluke)
3 Top 10 Finishes
16 - Dave Lombardo
Appeared on 9 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 4 (twosuitsluke)
4 Top 10 Finishes
I had Dave Lombardo at #14. Seasons might be my favorite air drumming album of all time.
I had Lars at #13. I was a Metallica fan in the 80's and I thought Lars was excellent. He's not the same, but I still enjoy his playing. I think he's excellent on the new album.
List Not Listed
25 Bill Ward
24 Gene Hoglan Blake Richardson
23 Carter Beauford
22 Martin Lopez
21 Stewart Copeland
20
19 Mark Zonder
18
17
16
15
14 Dave Lombardo
13 Lars Ulrich
12
11 Scott Rockenfield
10 Cozy Powell
9
8 Alex Van Halen
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
7-5
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No chance on Lars, although I kind of like how his kit sounds on ReLoad, the kick in particular has such a distinctive attack to it.
Lombardo is on my honorables. I've reluctantly come around to being a casual Slayer fan, but for the longest time his drumming was my favorite thing about them (still is, really).
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Neither guy made my list, but respect to both of them for writing the first few chapters in the book for thrash drumming. Lombardo's drumming on Testament's The Gathering is killer!
Updated Guesses:
Updated guesses:
25. Maybe?
24. Possibly maybe? Probably not.
23. No idea
22. Mark Zonder Likely, I think
21. Highly Likely
20. Likely
19. Who knows?
18. Probably
17. Highly Likely.
16. Possibly
15. Blake Richardson. Good chance, but not definite.
14. Probably not.
13. Likely.
12. With this crowd, yes.
11. Possibly, but like 50/50 at best.
10. Likely.
9. He should be mandatory listening.
8. Likely.
7. Maybe.
6. Lock.
5. Should be a lock.
4. Likely.
3. Likely.
2. He better be a lock.
1. Lock.
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Had both these guys. Lars is not a schooled drummer and not physically gifted but has written many iconic grooves and parts and was SO influential.
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15 - Lars Ulrich
Appeared on 11 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 5 (Adami & twosuitsluke)
3 Top 10 Finishes
16 - Dave Lombardo
Appeared on 9 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 4 (twosuitsluke)
4 Top 10 Finishes
2 out of 2 today.
Dave Lombardo - one of the greats of the genre but actually didn't think he would get the votes to make this list. I actually have not actively listened to Slayer for a number of years however those first few Slayer albums were a major highlight and influence from my teenage years. I'll never forget the first time I heard Seasons in the Abyss, just legendary drumming. My rank 6.
Lars Ulrich - yeah just way too easy to bash Lars these days. Honestly, anyone who does 'wasn't there' in the 1980s. Lars was extremely influential and he was everywhere in the 80s. Sure, he overplays live but when you are in person at a Metallica gig it is still awesome. Its a list of favourites, so he had to be there for me. My rank 10.
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25. Lars Ulrich
24. Gene Hoglan
23. Cozy Powell
22.
21.
20.
19.
18.
17.
16.
15. Scott Rockenfield
14.
13.
12.
11.
10. Bill Ward
9.
8. Blake Richardson
7.
6.
5. Mark Zonder
4.
3.
2.
1.
Rockenfield at 15 and Lars at 25. Lombardo is great but never liked him as much as others. Can't complain at his ranking here though.
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6/12 overall. Good call Dream Team for pointing out the sound of Rockenfield's drums being iconic.
Can't add much to what others have already said about Stewart. Much like Carter, love his energy, crisp attack and splashes of splashes.
Yes, it's easy to rag on Lars' playing the last...20 years or so. But I'm old enough to remember when he was a drumming inspiration in real time. His live performance is painful nowadays and overall makes current live Metallica unlistenable for me. I still wonder how much studio wizardry is used on his drumming the last three studio albums. He finished higher than I thought he would. Starting to wonder if he would actually make it.
Lombardo is a surprise. Didn't expect him to make it here. Almost made my 25. :metal
25. I think this maniac will be picked
24. Dirty chance he'll make it
23. Pretty sure you'd say "who"?
22. I miss this guy. Wish he was still with us. Not gonna make it here. :'(
21. This weirdo won't make it. 40 years and 14 studio albums with the same original quartet+. Impressive stuff.
20. Carter Beauford A unique cat whose style is highly revered in drumming circles. Not sure here though.
19. Larz Huge name. Guaranteed pick.
18. Spicy lefty. He has a shot.
17. Martin Lopez In 2005, a no-brainer to be on here. Today. Maybe?
16. Probably won't be here. It's a crime.
15. 100% this monster's here.
14. Alex Van Halen Brother of a legend on one of our other lists. Won't be surprised if he makes this list.
13. Groove metal master. Won't make the list though.
12. Another real cool cat. A rock player with a huge jazz background. I'm gonna say he won't be named here.
11. Stewart Copeland Classic rocker who's very likely.
10. Blake Richardson Also very likely but not a classic rocker.
9. Liked him before, but since the band's 3rd release in 93 I have loved his playing. Not going to make the list.
8. He started further down my list. But the more I thought about it, his talent and style make him absolutely unique. Probably.
7. This forum? Of course.
6. Prog dude. Pretty sure he'll be here.
5. Not sure on him. Highly respected, but not sure how well his name is known outside the drumming community.
4. Second one on my list who's known by a nickname. (My first draft had three). Not going to be named here.
3. For sure. Legend
2. I've thought mostly highly and sometimes low of this guy. He's still my number 2 basher though.
1. The master
29. Dave Lombardo
42. Bill Ward
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Rockenfield ... Livecrime is a top 3 live album of all time, and he's probably a bigger reason than Tate for that.
Good call jingle. Livecrime was a huge deal when it came out.
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I'm 2/2 with Ulrich and Lombardo.
As a big thrash guy, and Slayer and Metallica being arguably the two biggest bands that got me into metal, these two were always going to make it.
As others have said, it's easy to bash Lars, but he is so influential and has written some of my favourite drum parts. At his peak, creatively, during the Justice era, his drumming was at it's most technical and I love to air drum to that stuff the most, plus follow the kick drum patterns. If we were rating what we thought were the 'best' drummers, then he wouldn't have made the list, but were rating our favourites, so here we are.
Lars is not a schooled drummer and not physically gifted but has written many iconic grooves and parts and was SO influential.
This basically.
Lombardo is a much better player, and the first time I heard his double kick drumming in Angel of Death, I was sold. Slayer are one of my absolute favourite bands, and Dave is a big part of this.
25.
24.
23.
22.
21.
20.
19. Gene Hoglan
18.
17.
16.
15.
14. Martin Lopez
13.
12.
11.
10.
9.
8.
7.
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5. Lars Ulrich
4. Dave Lombardo
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1.
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15 - Lars Ulrich
16 - Dave Lombardo
I had Ulrich at #10. I hear really cool parts in really cool songs. His apparent technical inadequacies are of no concern to me. Not a Slayer fan, so Lombardo wasn't up for consideration.
25 Maybe...not sure
24 Probably not
23 I'd say 60-70% chance no
22 Probably
21 Probably not
20 Probably not
19 90% yes
18 Nein
17 Absolutely should be, but I'm thinking less than 50/50
16 Nope
15 Not even a little chance
14 No way, eh
13 90+% yes
12 Not a chance
11 Nope
10 Lars Ulrich (I think yes, only about 60% sure)
9 Bill Ward (Should be...75+% likely)
8 75+% likely
7 Cozy Powell (50/50)
6 Scott Rockenfield (Hmmm...really not sure, but I think less than 50/50)
5 Same band as #8 - one of them should make it, if not both
4 90+% yes
3 Lock
2 Mark Zonder (Might sneak in around 21-25)
1 Lock for top 3
Not ranked: Gene Hoglan, Blake Richardson, Carter Beauford, Alex Van Halen, Martin Lopez, Stewart Copeland, Dave Lombardo
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Lars Ulrich - yeah just way too easy to bash Lars these days. Honestly, anyone who does 'wasn't there' in the 1980s. Lars was extremely influential and he was everywhere in the 80s. Sure, he overplays live but when you are in person at a Metallica gig it is still awesome. Its a list of favourites, so he had to be there for me. My rank 10.
Hogwash. Now, if you want to argue that those of us who started listening to Metallica in the 90s don't get it because the 80s was the only decade where Lars was worth a damn and we didn't experience it in real time, I might be able to get on board with that, but does that overcome decades of incompetence and horrible live playing? He is the poster child for "I stopped caring about my craft once I (my band) made it."
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I was there in the 80's and he was nothing special. Solid drummer for the style of music but was average at best compared to so many other drummers
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I was there in the 80's and he was nothing special. Solid drummer for the style of music but was average at best compared to so many other drummers
Maybe if you stepped out of Chess King once in a while…
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I was there in the 80's and he was nothing special. Solid drummer for the style of music but was average at best compared to so many other drummers
Maybe if you stepped out of Chess King once in a while…
Sadly, I did shop there. Lol
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0/2 for me today
13 - Keith Moon
Appeared on 11 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 3 (lonestar)
4 Top 10 Finishes
Never a Who fan so I was never really exposed to Keith's playing
14 - Ringo Starr
Appeared on 8 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 3 (coz)
5 Top 10 Finishes (4 Top 5 Finishes)
Not really surprised he made the list, although I'm a bit surprised at the number of top 10 finishes by those who did list Ringo. Ask my thoughts about Ringo ten years ago and I would've told you he was the luckiest person in the Beatles but my tune has changed a lot. After multiple discography listens plus the Peter Jackson film my respect for him as a player has grown immensely.
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0/2
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0 / 2 and still only one in total
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2/2.
Thank god Moon made it - RJ doesn’t have to hate you all now! I’m surprised Ringo made it, tbh. But, for the guy that basically invented rock and roll drumming, yeah … he makes the list.
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25. No Beard
24. Bill Ward
23. No beard
22. No beard
21. Blake Richardson
20. Beard
19. Beard
18. Keith Moon
17. No beard
16. Slight beard
15. Slight beard
14. Beard
13. Slight beard
12. No beard
11. Blue
10. Slight beard
9. Fu manchu
8. Used to have a beard
7. No beard
6. Gene Hoglan
5. No beard
4. No beard
3. Spock
2. Slight beard
1. Used to have a beard
Keith Moon, now there’s a man who knows how to hit things with a stick. #18.
Ringo Starr, iconic for sure but didn’t make my list.
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2/2.
Thank god Moon made it - RJ doesn’t have to hate you all now! I’m surprised Ringo made it, tbh. But, for the guy that basically invented rock and roll drumming, yeah … he makes the list.
Seriously...I was starting to think you all were going to do Keith wrong like you did Pete.
Aside from being the drummer for my favorite band as a kid...Keith was a rarity in that he pushed drumming into a lead position...that was such a unique aspect of the Who, John and Keith really handled the lead duties with Pete carrying the melodies, and damn did it work. I read the Who biography years ago, and Pete refers to Keith as his muse...I think that statement alone speaks to what a unique talent he was, and the impact he had, that he was the inspiration for arguably one of the greatest songwriters the rock music industry has ever seen.
Kind of surprised Ringo made the list, not that he isn't deserving, I just didn't think there'd be room for him once the prog and metal drummer dust settled.
12 spots, and I got 10 so called locks...5 of them I really, really can't see being left off...
25- Alex Van Halen Should be there
24- Nope
23- Mayyybeee
22- Definitely not, and a damn shame too
21- Lock
20- Should make the list
19- Lock
18- They'd be on everyone's list if they heard them
17- Blake Richardson (Yeah)
16- Probably
15- Lock
14- Might make it, definitely worthy
13- Unfortunately no
12- Lock
11- Another unfortunately no
10- Lock
9- Not too sure...we'll see
8- Lock
7- Lock
6- No, and I hate you all that they won't make it
5- Lock
4- See #6, multiply by 1000
3- Keith Moon(Yeah)
2- Lock
1- Lock
Not Listed-
Gene Hoglan
Cozy Powell
Bill Ward
Carter Beuford
Martin Lopez
Mark Zonder
Scott Rockenfield
Stewart Copeland
Lars Ulrich
Dave Lombardo
Ringo Star
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Neither made my list, but I appreciate both drummers. Never really got into The Who, but I have Who’s Next, and Moon is definitely a main presence on the album. The intensity of his playing is impressive at least. I am only a casual fan of The Beatles and don’t think Ringo was bad at all, but he just doesn’t wow me enough to be a favorite drummer. Both were obviously influential and make sense being ranked.
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I know Ringo Starr. Keith Moon on the other hand...
Who?
:neverusethis:
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25 Reasonable chance, depending.
24 No chance in hell; there are other drummers IN HIS BAND that might, though.
23 He's either going to be in someone's top ten or not on the list, so probably won't make the final.
22 No chance. I might take some crap for this one.
21 No chance; most people won't know who he is.
20 No chance.
19 No chance (part of what will possibly be the only "father/son" pair on anyone's list)
18 No chance, due to this band being a pariah around here.
17 60-40 he makes it.
16 Probably no chance, but a crying shame. The man is a mule.
15. Slim chance; he is arguably my vote for best drummer in his genre, though there's another guy that gets all the press.
14 One of three guys from a certain band to make my list; probably won't make the final.
13 Keith Moon (90% lock)
12 100% lock
11 Slim chance; the other guy who replaced him has a better shot.
10 Should be a 100% lock; this forum? 50-50 at best.
9 Cozy Powell (I submitted my predictions AFTER this)
8 No. 11's "other guy". Should be 70-30 to make it.
7 Sadly, no chance.
6 Bill Ward (Sadly, probably no chance; he's a pale shell of his former self, but some of his early live work is incendiary.)
5 Ringo Starr (SHOULD BE 100% lock.)
4 100% lock
3 100% lock
2 100% lock
1 100% lock and my guess for Number One overall.
27: Carter Beauford
38: Lars Ulrich
NR: Stewart Copeland
NR: Gene Hoglan
NR: Dave Lombardo
NR: Martin Lopez
NR: Blake Richardson
NR: Scott Rockenfield
NR: Alex Van Halen
NR: Mark Zonder
Keith Moon, just because; you can see how much The Who fell off after he passed. he's one of those guys that even NON-drummers love. Like me.
Ringo. I think this says it all: "Paul, did the Beatles ever play to a click track?" "We didn't have to; we had Ringo". He was - and is - ROCK SOLID. For a guy who was supposedly lucky, everyone who plays with him - including some of the greatest musicians of all time, like McCartney and Steve Lukather - say he's the real deal. I love that underdog quality about him. And despite all the underrating, he goes through life happy as a clam, "Peace and love, peace and love!" Five, because he's just THISCLOSE to missing my Mt. Rushmore.
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Wow, I am shocked that Ringo made it; I didn't think there would be enough supporters here. I love the Beatles and think Ringo is better than the detractors say, but I still can't call him a favorite, even though there are definitely drum parts in Beatles song that were quite inventive for their time.
I am surprised Keith Moon is this low, to be honest. I figured he had a good chance for the top 5 and was a lock for the top 10. The Who aren't close to a favorite for me, but I am still a big enough fan of Moon's playing to have ranked him 8th. It's crazy to think what he was going in the later 60s on the drums.
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Had Ringo (SO innovative) but not Moon. Moon was certainly unique.
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I had Keith Moon at 24. He was the 1st drummer for me at least to see play with a reckless abandon. He charged the whole band to come alive on stage.
Ringo didn't make mine. He was a swing metronome though. The man carried the tempo to perfection.
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John Rutsey number 1? :neverusethis:
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Cool bit of serendipity that #13 was the godfather to #14s son, and also that #14s son played drums in #13s band for many years, with the surviving members believing he was the most suitable and appropriate replacement.
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0/2 for me today. I didn't realize we had that many people around here that thought that highly of Ringo. I like the Beatles, but Ringo never stood out in any way to me. Moon I can understand a bit more, although I am not the biggest Who fan, so he wasn't considered.
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Cool bit of serendipity that #13 was the godfather to #14s son, and also that #14s son played drums in #13s band for many years, with the surviving members believing he was the most suitable and appropriate replacement.
And he was; I saw that Quadrophenia tour with Zak on drums and he captured it PERFECTLY. It was sooo good. He (Zak) brought that same feel to Oasis, and was, IMO, their best drummer.
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25. Keith Moon I think this maniac will be picked
24. Dirty chance he'll make it
23. Pretty sure you'd say "who"?
22. I miss this guy. Wish he was still with us. Not gonna make it here. :'(
21. This weirdo won't make it. 40 years and 14 studio albums with the same original quartet+. Impressive stuff.
20. Carter Beauford A unique cat whose style is highly revered in drumming circles. Not sure here though.
19. Larz Huge name. Guaranteed pick.
18. Spicy lefty. He has a shot.
17. Martin Lopez In 2005, a no-brainer to be on here. Today. Maybe?
16. Probably won't be here. It's a crime.
15. 100% this monster's here.
14. Alex Van Halen Brother of a legend on one of our other lists. Won't be surprised if he makes this list.
13. Groove metal master. Won't make the list though.
12. Another real cool cat. A rock player with a huge jazz background. I'm gonna say he won't be named here.
11. Stewart Copeland Classic rocker who's very likely.
10. Blake Richardson Also very likely but not a classic rocker.
9. Liked him before, but since the band's 3rd release in 93 I have loved his playing. Not going to make the list.
8. He started further down my list. But the more I thought about it, his talent and style make him absolutely unique. Probably.
7. This forum? Of course.
6. Prog dude. Pretty sure he'll be here.
5. Not sure on him. Highly respected, but not sure how well his name is known outside the drumming community.
4. Second one on my list who's known by a nickname. (My first draft had three). Not going to be named here.
3. Ringo For sure. Legend
2. I've thought mostly highly and sometimes low of this guy. He's still my number 2 basher though.
1. The master
29. Dave Lombardo
42. Bill Ward
8/14
I love roughly 98% of the Beatles catalog and on just about every track, Ringo played just what was needed.
Moon the Loon was certainly unique and quite the dynamo. Perfect for what was The Who.
Interesting these two coming in together as CC pointed out.
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Cool bit of serendipity that #13 was the godfather to #14s son, and also that #14s son played drums in #13s band for many years, with the surviving members believing he was the most suitable and appropriate replacement.
And he was; I saw that Quadrophenia tour with Zak on drums and he captured it PERFECTLY. It was sooo good. He (Zak) brought that same feel to Oasis, and was, IMO, their best drummer.
Huh, didn’t even know Ringo Star has a son who plays drums. Never heard of Zak Starkey before looking it up just now.
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I didn't even consider either but no problem with either making the list. Not surprised Moon made it, but didn't realize people loved their Ringo.
To me, Moon is the Hendrix of drums. I do think a lot of the stuff he does is cool and all. But I don't know.
A lot of people rate him as a major influence. I've really only heard his playing in Neal Peart and Nicko McBrain.
you can see how much The Who fell off after he passed.
I feel like this is an overstatement. Not that they fell off, but the fact that you'd tie it to Keith Moon.
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you can see how much The Who fell off after he passed.
I feel like this is an overstatement. Not that they fell off, but the fact that you'd tie it to Keith Moon.
Actually, I'd say the changes that happened to the Who's style of music were directly related to Moon's death. As I said above, Pete is quoted as saying that Keith was his muse, his inspiration, but it was so much more than that, he was basically a brother to him too, much moreso than Roger or John. Keith was able to outwardly express the raw emotion that Pete kept so close to him, and in turn was able to bring it out of him, especially in the music and on stage. Before the Who, Pete was a brutally introverted person, it was Keith who was able to get him out of that shell, both physically and spiritually. Without Keith around, Pete had some serious changes to go through, and that's reflected in their music. His first solo album really has this on display, you can hear him trying to find his way musically with that massive part of him missing. Even the first album without Keith, the difference is glaring, they hired a true professional, a studio guy, and while skilled as can be, that 'it' factor was missing from both the album and their live shows. That was Keith's presence.
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Gotcha. Nevermind me. Never been a Who fan so what do I know. ;D
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Yeah. Face Dances and It's Hard were more structured, less spontaneous. Less dynamic.
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Gotcha. Nevermind me. Never been a Who fan so what do I know. ;D
Yeah, I'm a massive fan. Read their huge biography Before I Get Old a few times (outstanding read for any fans), and watched countless documentaries. Fucking love them so much.
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Lars Ulrich - yeah just way too easy to bash Lars these days. Honestly, anyone who does 'wasn't there' in the 1980s. Lars was extremely influential and he was everywhere in the 80s. Sure, he overplays live but when you are in person at a Metallica gig it is still awesome. Its a list of favourites, so he had to be there for me. My rank 10.
Hogwash. Now, if you want to argue that those of us who started listening to Metallica in the 90s don't get it because the 80s was the only decade where Lars was worth a damn and we didn't experience it in real time, I might be able to get on board with that, but does that overcome decades of incompetence and horrible live playing? He is the poster child for "I stopped caring about my craft once I (my band) made it."
Yeah...that's weird reasoning. Having been awesome on four albums in the '80s doesn't immunize him from criticism for whatever he has or hasn't done over the last THREE DECADES. I also don't get the notion that Ulrich "was everywhere in the 80s." The band didn't achieve any degree of mainstream success until well into the second half of the decade. Frankly, if any member of the band was "everywhere," it was Hammett in the second half of the decade.
Anyhoo...
13 - Keith Moon
14 - Ringo Starr
Keith Moon barely squeaked in at #25 for me. It's been a while since my Who phase, but he was definitely an integral part of the band.
Richard Starkey made it at #22, and he might be the only guy who made the list primarily because of his band than for his own playing. Can't not have him there.
25 Keith Moon (Maybe...not sure)
24 Probably not
23 I'd say 60-70% chance no
22 Ringo Starr (Probably)
21 Probably not
20 Probably not
19 90% yes
18 Nein
17 Absolutely should be, but I'm thinking less than 50/50
16 Nope
15 Not even a little chance
14 No way, eh
13 90+% yes
12 Not a chance
11 Nope
10 Lars Ulrich (I think yes, only about 60% sure)
9 Bill Ward (Should be...75+% likely)
8 75+% likely
7 Cozy Powell (50/50)
6 Scott Rockenfield (Hmmm...really not sure, but I think less than 50/50)
5 Same band as #8 - one of them should make it, if not both
4 90+% yes
3 Lock
2 Mark Zonder (Might sneak in around 21-25)
1 Lock for top 3
Not ranked: Gene Hoglan, Blake Richardson, Carter Beauford, Alex Van Halen, Martin Lopez, Stewart Copeland, Dave Lombardo
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13 - Keith Moon
Appeared on 11 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 3 (lonestar)
4 Top 10 Finishes
14 - Ringo Starr
Appeared on 8 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 3 (coz)
5 Top 10 Finishes (4 Top 5 Finishes)
Ringo Starr - no chance for me. Nothing against him being here though.
Keith Moon - my number 18.
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Appreciate the influence of these two, but neither were ranking for me.
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Don't have either for opposite reasons. Ringo's playing is just a little too understated for me. Moon's is too reckless and not very cohesive. I recognize their historical importance, but they just aren't for me. Though admittedly I've heard far less of The Who than the Beatles, who my parents were pretty big fans of.
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Keith Moon, just because; you can see how much The Who fell off after he passed. he's one of those guys that even NON-drummers love. Like me.
Even though Moon was a top 10 drummer for me, it felt like the band had dropped off long before his death. Their last two studio albums with him were inconsistent to put it nicely, and for me the real greatness of Moon's drumming was found in his power and reckless style of playing, which was toned way down in the 70s once their production values improved. In the 60s, Moon sounded like a drummer who played like every performance was life or death. In the 70s, Moon sounded like, dare I say, just another rock drummer, IMO. All that said, he was so awesome in the 60s that I still ranked him 8th.
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So question for you Moon guys, what's a great Keith performance to check out, live or studio?
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So question for you Moon guys, what's a great Keith performance to check out, live or studio?
I'll find some good examples of both for you...
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25. His reputation should put him on here
24. No chance in hell
23. I highly doubt it.
22. perhaps?
21. Ringo Starr Should be, but most will probably overlook him
20. Maybe?
19. Legend, but won't make it
18. Fo sho
17. Doubt it
16. Nope
15. Prolly not
14. Dunno… maybe?
13. Nope
12. Even the fans of this band have probably forgotten about him
11. should be, but doubt it
10. Keith Moon He's gotta be there
9. Nada
8. Scott Rockenfield Possibly
7. Fo sho
6. Nope
5. Not gonna happen ('specially if Joe/RJ didn't put him on their lists)
4. Alex Van Halen He better be
3. Him too (I'm bothered by your lack of faith, RJ)
2. Guaran-damn-teed
1. As for sure as death and taxes
Ok, so 12 spots left, and I'm 100% confident on 5 of them. I wouldn't be surprised if the other 7 aren't any I selected, but I think there's a good chance of at least 1 more, maybe 3.
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11 - Nick D'Virgilio
Appeared on 11 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (HOF)
7 Top 10 Finishes
Looking through his discography I know next to none of his work. I've heard a few passing Spock's Beard songs and I really loved that Troika album but nothing past that.
12 - Brann Dailor
Appeared on 10 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (wolfking)
4 Top 10 Finishes
When first putting this list together Brann didn't pop up in my mind but as I went through my music and saw Mastodon I realized he had to be on my list. The first thing that stood out when I heard Mastodon was his drumming and it remains one of the primary reasons I listen to the band.
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0/2
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Yey..... my second drummer
Got Nick at 17
25 highly likely
24 no way
23 probsbly
22 no chance
21 slight possibility
20 Stewart Copeland - possible
19 slight possibility
18 doubt it, but he should
17 Nick D'Virgilio - possible
16 probably not
15 possible
14 possible
13 sadly not a chance
12 doubt it
11 no way in hell
10 definitely
9 possible
8 possible
7 possible
6 sadly not a chance
5 definitely
4 definitely
3 high probability
2 sadly I don't think he will make but he should
1 Locked in here....
Not ranked:
Gene Hoglan
Cozy Powell
Blake Richardson
Bill Ward
Carter Beauford
Alex Van Halen
Scott Rockenfield
Lars Ulrich
Dave Lombardo
Keith Moon
Ringo Starr
Brann Dailor
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0/2.
Apparently my list and this list don’t have a ton in common. Ah well.
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Nick D'Virgilio is awesome. His groove is what makes Spock's Beard a different animal than Neal's other bands. I ranked him 7th.
I liked a few Mastodon songs years ago, but never listen to them anymore, and I never knew the name of anyone in the band, thus Brann Dailor got a "who?" reaction out of me.
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Oh, wow, I was resigned to NDV not making it. As you can tell, he’s my favorite drummer. Everything he does is just excellent, and he’s done a ton. His work on Spock’s is great, but his playing in Big Big Train is on another level. He’s gotten better and better with time, which I think is a byproduct of doing a ton of session work and playing every night in Cirque du Soleil for several years. He’s so tight both in the studio and live. But he has so much feel too. Very much has the sort of Phil Collins swing to his playing, but he can do just about anything (he’s played metal with Fates Warning, pop with Tears for Fears, Zappa-esque stuff with Mike Keneally, and of course loads of prog with Spock’s Beard, Big Big Train, etc.). Makes complex stuff sound so musical. He’s just the best (and an outstanding singer as well).
I also really appreciate Nick as a drum educator and enthusiast, and he does a ton of great work on YouTube for Sweetwater, but also has his own channel where he demos and breaks down all sorts of drum parts (his “Groovy Thursday” segment). I’m not a drummer, but he even makes that stuff interesting to me.
Only know a little bit of Mastadon, so can’t really comment on Dailor. Not a name I was familiar with at any rate.
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So question for you Moon guys, what's a great Keith performance to check out, live or studio?
Sorry about the delay... had a meeting last night then teh Succession finale...
For studio performances, the whole of Quadrophenia is a Moon showcase, his work on that, for me at least, is just about the best drum performance ever. You got two different drummers in him between 'sober' studio focused Moon and Moon the Loon that passed out mid performance in San Francisco.
From Quadrophenia, The Rock really captures all sides of him...he's so well known for his explosive playing that his sublime side gets lost, and man, the dude had tremendous soul to his work...
https://open.spotify.com/track/31JOJ6UI3UoVexi8kSy5mJ?si=8ba6c8ca065345e2 (https://open.spotify.com/track/31JOJ6UI3UoVexi8kSy5mJ?si=8ba6c8ca065345e2)
For a live performance, I didn't even have to think, it'd be Sparks from Tommy. What I love about it, and it shows really nicely in this clip from Woodstock,is you can see how integral and entwined him and Pete are, it's definitely a two sides of the same coin situation. I think this shows how I was saying above that The Who had no chance of staying the same band once Keith passed... (it also shows all the reasons why Pete was my #1 guitarist, hands down the best live guitarist ever)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVjJXRAHqmo&ab_channel=Andr%C3%A9sOviedo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVjJXRAHqmo&ab_channel=Andr%C3%A9sOviedo)
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Nick and Brann were 3 and 4 on my list, respectively.
Nick’s drumming always sounds so joyful in whatever band he’s with. Great voice too. I’ve always thought he was an underrated drummer, glad to see he’s getting some well deserved recognition.
Brann is another incredible drummer. Unmistakable sound. Energetic, chaotic, but still tight. Not keen on his singing voice though.
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Nick (my #18) has so much finesse, groove and energy to play progressive music, really incredible. His drumming on the SB's End of The Day is still something that amazes me every time I hear it!
Brann should be on my list, as I admire his style so much - I just forgot him! :facepalm: Really great and original the way he plays heavy music with intensity and without using double bass drumming that much.
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The brass section on Big Big Train's "Roman Stone" is probably my favorite NDV moment:
https://youtu.be/l-C2ARZzE6Q?t=476
Spock's Beard's Snow album also has some of his best work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMAYSHu2HJk
Big Big Train's "Master James of St. George" is another essential NDV piece.
https://youtu.be/rCJiLZQPR0Y?t=171
This demo and analysis of the closing groove of "Stairway to Heaven" is a great watch as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6uvA8U35mY
Some other favorite tracks would be "At the End of the Day" by Spock's Beard, "Flare" by The Fringe, "Mudlarks" by Big Big Train, there are so many great ones though. Mystery's "The World Is a Game" is another album Nick played on that has some fantastic drumming.
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2/16.
From the limited amount of D'Virgilio I've watched/listened to he's a crazy talented guy, but I'm not that into into any of his bands, so I didn't really consider him.
Not really a big fan of Mastodon, they have a few songs I like but their output on the whole is just ok to me. But Dailor's drumming is easily the best thing they have going.
Brann is another incredible drummer. Unmistakable sound. Energetic, chaotic, but still tight. Not keen on his singing voice though.
Fascinating, I don't love his voice per se, but I prefer it to everyone else's in the band.
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25. Keith Moon I think this maniac will be picked
24. Dirty chance he'll make it
23. Pretty sure you'd say "who"?
22. I miss this guy. Wish he was still with us. Not gonna make it here. :'(
21. This weirdo won't make it. 40 years and 14 studio albums with the same original quartet+. Impressive stuff.
20. Carter Beauford A unique cat whose style is highly revered in drumming circles. Not sure here though.
19. Larz Huge name. Guaranteed pick.
18. Spicy lefty. He has a shot.
17. Martin Lopez In 2005, a no-brainer to be on here. Today. Maybe?
16. Probably won't be here. It's a crime.
15. 100% this monster's here.
14. Alex Van Halen Brother of a legend on one of our other lists. Won't be surprised if he makes this list.
13. Groove metal master. Won't make the list though.
12. Another real cool cat. A rock player with a huge jazz background. I'm gonna say he won't be named here.
11. Stewart Copeland Classic rocker who's very likely.
10. Blake Richardson Also very likely but not a classic rocker.
9. Liked him before, but since the band's 3rd release in 93 I have loved his playing. Not going to make the list.
8. He started further down my list. But the more I thought about it, his talent and style make him absolutely unique. Probably.
7. This forum? Of course.
6. Nick D'Virgilio Prog dude. Pretty sure he'll be here.
5. Brann Dailor Not sure on him. Highly respected, but not sure how well his name is known outside the drumming community.
4. Second one on my list who's known by a nickname. (My first draft had three). Not going to be named here.
3. Ringo For sure. Legend
2. I've thought mostly highly and sometimes low of this guy. He's still my number 2 basher though.
1. The master
29. Dave Lombardo
42. Bill Ward
10/16
My 5 & 6 today! Nick is just an awesome dude. There was a time, Snow era, he probably would've been my #2 fave.
Surprised and pleased to see Brann placing here. His playing in Mastodon just is so frantic, complex and yet so tasty. A modern take on Keith Moon, I feel. More of a controlled chaos though. His sense of humor makes him more of a likeable person too. He illustrated a "101 Clowns of the Coronavirus" book for God's sake. Interesting guy to say the least.
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I'm curious, will this be more of a runaway victory than JP over EVH? (759-396)
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I didn't vote for either. The dude from mastodon is obviously great, but I'm not really a fan of Mastodon.
I don't think I've heard anything Nick D'Virgilio that I know of.
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I didn't vote for either. The dude from mastodon is obviously great, but I'm not really a fan of Mastodon.
I don't think I've heard anything Nick D'Virgilio that I know of.
You’ve at least heard some of his Spock’s Beard stuff from your What Am I Missing roulette.
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I didn't vote for either. The dude from mastodon is obviously great, but I'm not really a fan of Mastodon.
I don't think I've heard anything Nick D'Virgilio that I know of.
You’ve at least heard some of his Spock’s Beard stuff from your What Am I Missing roulette.
Oh, right.
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Not familiar with these latest 2. So I’m about 7/15 I guess.
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I'm curious, will this be more of a runaway victory than JP over EVH? (759-396)
Nah, I think the admiration between who I think the top 2 will be is much more evenly distributed
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Yeah, I had Brann at number one mainly because I don't remember a band where the drums were such a draw card for me. His work on both Remission and Leviathan just blew me away. I love everything about those albums but the drums were the thing that stuck. Don't think any other drummers have had that impact. Although, thinking now, he could have easily swapped with someone else for the top spot on any given day.
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I'm curious, will this be more of a runaway victory than JP over EVH? (759-396)
Nah, I think the admiration between who I think the top 2 will be is much more evenly distributed
I’m just sitting here wondering which DT drummer will finish higher. :corn
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Not familiar with these latest 2. So I’m about 7/15 I guess.
Clear your inbox!!!!
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I’m also a Big Big (see what I did there) NDV fan, and had him in my top 5! I echo what HOF has been saying, this guy is just an amazing musician (not just a drummer). For those of you who haven’t checked out Big Big Train, and are fans of classic prog, you’re doing yourself a huge disservice, check them out now! Their music is some of the best I’ve heard in my 53 years on this earth period! We all have different tastes, and it might not be for everyone, but their music is so well thought out and so well done, it’s worth giving it a shot. I’m glad I finally did about 2 years ago!
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11 - Nick D'Virgilio
12 - Brann Dailor
No idea who these guys are.
25 Keith Moon (Maybe...not sure)
24 Probably not
23 I'd say 60-70% chance no
22 Ringo Starr (Probably)
21 Probably not
20 Probably not
19 90% yes
18 Nein
17 Absolutely should be, but I'm thinking less than 50/50
16 Nope
15 Not even a little chance
14 No way, eh
13 90+% yes
12 Not a chance
11 Nope
10 Lars Ulrich (I think yes, only about 60% sure)
9 Bill Ward (Should be...75+% likely)
8 75+% likely
7 Cozy Powell (50/50)
6 Scott Rockenfield (Hmmm...really not sure, but I think less than 50/50)
5 Same band as #8 - one of them should make it, if not both
4 90+% yes
3 Lock
2 Mark Zonder (Might sneak in around 21-25)
1 Lock for top 3
Not ranked: Gene Hoglan, Blake Richardson, Carter Beauford, Alex Van Halen, Martin Lopez, Stewart Copeland, Dave Lombardo, Nick D'Virgilio, Brann Dailor
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11 - Nick D'Virgilio
Appeared on 11 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (HOF)
7 Top 10 Finishes
12 - Brann Dailor
Appeared on 10 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (wolfking)
4 Top 10 Finishes
Nick D'Virgilio - no chance to be on my list.
Brann Dailor - my number 11. I remember hearing of Mastodon when Remission was released and getting some great reviews so I checked it out. The drumming was just amazing, and then came along Leviathan. Brann is a very busy player with a ton of what seems to be complex fills going on but it all seems to work and have its place.
I'm at 9 of 16 overall, which is much higher than I expected to be.
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The brass section on Big Big Train's "Roman Stone" is probably my favorite NDV moment:
https://youtu.be/l-C2ARZzE6Q?t=476
Spock's Beard's Snow album also has some of his best work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMAYSHu2HJk
Big Big Train's "Master James of St. George" is another essential NDV piece.
https://youtu.be/rCJiLZQPR0Y?t=171
This demo and analysis of the closing groove of "Stairway to Heaven" is a great watch as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6uvA8U35mY
Some other favorite tracks would be "At the End of the Day" by Spock's Beard, "Flare" by The Fringe, "Mudlarks" by Big Big Train, there are so many great ones though. Mystery's "The World Is a Game" is another album Nick played on that has some fantastic drumming.
Another favorite that is a really nice showcase is Big Big Train’s Apollo.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=88HHhbD1vFE&list=OLAK5uy_kyVlACwgaWNAXxfAJ0P5sWGpkVqFdTWgU&pp=ygUbYmlnIGJpZyB0cmFpbiBjb21tb24gZ3JvdW5k
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I'm curious, will this be more of a runaway victory than JP over EVH? (759-396)
Nah, I think the admiration between who I think the top 2 will be is much more evenly distributed
I’m just sitting here wondering which DT drummer will finish higher. :corn
If both DT drummers make the list I'll eat my hat.... :corn
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Big Big Train!
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I'm curious, will this be more of a runaway victory than JP over EVH? (759-396)
Nah, I think the admiration between who I think the top 2 will be is much more evenly distributed
I’m just sitting here wondering which DT drummer will finish higher. :corn
If both DT drummers make the list I'll eat my hat.... :corn
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My updated standings;
25. Lars Ulrich
24. Gene Hoglan
23. Cozy Powell
22.
21.
20.
19.
18.
17.
16.
15. Scott Rockenfield
14.
13.
12.
11.
10. Bill Ward
9.
8. Blake Richardson
7.
6.
5. Mark Zonder
4.
3.
2.
1. Brann Dailor
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I didn't rate Brann but I dig his style. His singing is great too.
Ni k I had at #10. He's a jack of all trades. Has dimension, swing and touch. He does little things that make you rewind and listen again.
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I'm curious, will this be more of a runaway victory than JP over EVH? (759-396)
I think the gap at the top of this countdown will be pretty close, I don't see there being a runaway winner here.
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I'm curious, will this be more of a runaway victory than JP over EVH? (759-396)
Nah, I think the admiration between who I think the top 2 will be is much more evenly distributed
I’m just sitting here wondering which DT drummer will finish higher. :corn
If both DT drummers make the list I'll eat my hat.... :corn
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Nacho, Nacho, Man.
I want to be, a Nacho Man!
Nick just missed the cut for me. High 20s rating.
Brann who?
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Brann who?
Dailor.
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9 - Phil Collins
Appeared on 15 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (romdrums & Stadler)
6 Top 10 Finishes
Pretty surprised by this one. I never considered Phil to be that great but my only real exposure to him is as a solo artist. Genesis never did anything for me.
10 - Bill Bruford
Appeared on 17 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 5 (Metropolaris & romdrums)
5 Top 10 Finishes
Haven't heard much of Bill's music, wasn't even a consideration on my list
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Phil's drumming was excellent in Genesis (especially the 70s stuff) and his jazz fusion band Brand X.
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0-2 today.
Not familiar with a single thing Bruford has played on AFAIK.
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0/2 again.
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Had Phil at 23 and Bill at 7. So I'm at 4 now.
25 highly likely
24 no way
23 Phil Collins - probably
22 no chance
21 slight possibility
20 Stewart Copeland - possible
19 slight possibility
18 doubt it, but he should
17 Nick D'Virgilio - possible
16 probably not
15 possible
14 possible
13 sadly not a chance
12 doubt it
11 no way in hell
10 definitely
9 possible
8 possible
7 Bill Bruford - possible
6 sadly not a chance
5 definitely
4 definitely
3 high probability
2 sadly I don't think he will make but he should
1 Locked in here....
Not ranked:
Gene Hoglan
Cozy Powell
Blake Richardson
Bill Ward
Carter Beauford
Alex Van Halen
Scott Rockenfield
Lars Ulrich
Dave Lombardo
Keith Moon
Ringo Starr
Brann Dailor
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Phil's drumming was excellent in Genesis (especially the 70s stuff) and his jazz fusion band Brand X.
So much this....
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0-2 today.
Not familiar with a single thing Bruford has played on AFAIK.
Then you are missing out on a lot of great Prog.
His stints in Yes and King Crimson are fantastic and even playing electronic drums with Anderson , Bruford, Wakeman & Howe is soo cool althogh horribly dated soundwise.
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I had Collins at 9, Bruford at 12.
Love or hate the 80s, but the influence of Collins on the drum sound that was everywhere that decade is immeasurable. And his work with Genesis even before that was tremendous.
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Bruford made the list, hard to overlook his contributions to early prog, especially being on two of my favorite albums, Fragile and CttE.
Collins barely missed the cut for me.
25- Alex Van Halen Should be there
24- Nope
23- Mayyybeee
22- Definitely not, and a damn shame too
21- Lock
20- Should make the list
19- Lock
18- They'd be on everyone's list if they heard them
17- Blake Richardson (Yeah)
16- Probably
15- Bill Bruford (Lock)
14- Might make it, definitely worthy
13- Unfortunately no
12- Lock
11- Another unfortunately no
10- Lock
9- Not too sure...we'll see
8- Lock
7- Lock
6- No, and I hate you all that they won't make it
5- Lock
4- See #6, multiply by 1000
3- Keith Moon(Yeah)
2- Lock
1- Lock
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Gene Hoglan
Cozy Powell
Bill Ward
Carter Beuford
Martin Lopez
Mark Zonder
Scott Rockenfield
Stewart Copeland
Lars Ulrich
Dave Lombardo
Ringo Star
Nick D'Virgilio
Brann Dailor
Phil Colins
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0-2 today.
Not familiar with a single thing Bruford has played on AFAIK.
Then you are missing out on a lot of great Prog.
His stints in Yes and King Crimson are fantastic and even playing electronic drums with Anderson , Bruford, Wakeman & Howe is soo cool althogh horribly dated soundwise.
King Crimson is not for me. I heard an album I got from my library. I forget the name. Whatever one has Elephant Talk. Holy shit did it blow.
I don’t listen to Yes.
Who’s the drummer on Roundabout. I always assumed it was Alan White.
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King Crimson is not for me. I heard an album I got from my library. I forget the name. Whatever one has Elephant Talk. Holy shit did it blow.
I don’t listen to Yes.
Who’s the drummer on Roundabout. I always assumed it was Alan White.
No, that's Bruford on Roundabout. Alan White didn't take over till the Tales album.
Discipline is the KC album with Elephant Talk. I thought it wasn't very good on the first listen, but I stuck with it and after a few listens, I was like, "Woah, this is incredible." It's definitely not for everyone.
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Oh ok. Yeah the drumming on Roundabout is great.
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King Crimson is not for me. I heard an album I got from my library. I forget the name. Whatever one has Elephant Talk. Holy shit did it blow.
I don’t listen to Yes.
Who’s the drummer on Roundabout. I always assumed it was Alan White.
No, that's Bruford on Roundabout. Alan White didn't take over till the Tales album.
Discipline is the KC album with Elephant Talk. I thought it wasn't very good on the first listen, but I stuck with it and after a few listens, I was like, "Woah, this is incredible." It's definitely not for everyone.
Yep, the big 3 of Yes albums are all Bruford
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Had Bruford, Collins would have been on a longer list. Bruford just kills it on those Yes albums. Heart of the Sunrise :metal.
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Nice, two more for me!
Bruford was number 19 for me. He’s a big part of some of my favorite prog albums, between Yes’s Fragile and Close to the Edge, and King Crimson’s Red, Discipline, and Beat, among others. His run in KC was excellent. I used to check out his Master Strokes compilation album from the library with some frequency in high school. Not sure why I never picked that one up, because it was really interesting. Don’t know so much about his solo stuff, but I like what I’ve heard.
Collins was my number 3. Just a tremendous all around drummer, whether he was doing prog, pop, or fusion. The early Genesis albums are great, but I think his drumming really came into its own more after Gabriel left and he became a more prominent personality in the band. His work on Trick through Abacab is outstanding (I especially love Duke). But then he’s also really good on his early solo albums, which also shwowcase more of his jazz side at times. It’s hard to beat No Jacket Required in terms of a drum-centric pop album. And then of course he’s played on lots of other stuff, one of my favorite being Tears for Fears’ Woman in Chains. Such a great player and all around musician.
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Phil Collins’ drumming on those early Genesis records is incredible. #8 on my list.
Bill Bruford was #5. His work with Yes, King Crimson, and UK is some of the most creative drumming I’ve ever heard. Especially 80’s era King Crimson. Elephant Talk is fantastic. Some people just take music too seriously. :P
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25 Bill Bruford (Reasonable chance, depending.)
24 No chance in hell; there are other drummers IN HIS BAND that might, though.
23 He's either going to be in someone's top ten or not on the list, so probably won't make the final.
22 No chance. I might take some crap for this one.
21 No chance; most people won't know who he is.
20 No chance.
19 No chance (part of what will possibly be the only "father/son" pair on anyone's list)
18 No chance, due to this band being a pariah around here.
17 60-40 he makes it.
16 Probably no chance, but a crying shame. The man is a mule.
15. Slim chance; he is arguably my vote for best drummer in his genre, though there's another guy that gets all the press.
14 One of three guys from a certain band to make my list; probably won't make the final.
13 Keith Moon (90% lock)
12 100% lock
11 Slim chance; the other guy who replaced him has a better shot.
10 Should be a 100% lock; this forum? 50-50 at best.
9 Cozy Powell (I submitted my predictions AFTER this)
8 No. 11's "other guy". Should be 70-30 to make it.
7 Sadly, no chance.
6 Bill Ward (Sadly, probably no chance; he's a pale shell of his former self, but some of his early live work is incendiary.)
5 Ringo Starr (SHOULD BE 100% lock.)
4 100% lock
3 100% lock
2 Phil Collins (100% lock)
1 100% lock and my guess for Number One overall.
27: Carter Beauford
38: Lars Ulrich
NR: Stewart Copeland
NR: Nick D'Virgilio
NR: Brann Dailor
NR: Gene Hoglan
NR: Dave Lombardo
NR: Martin Lopez
NR: Blake Richardson
NR: Scott Rockenfield
NR: Alex Van Halen
NR: Mark Zonder
I can't sing (see what I did there?) the praises of Phil Collins' drumming enough. Eleventh Earl of Mar; The Cinema Show (live), the medley part of In The Cage (the 3SL version; my favorite piece of recorded music ever). WAY overshadowed by his singing, and then the "Phil Collins backlash"; it's a crime that he's not in the RnRHoF.
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0-2 today.
Not familiar with a single thing Bruford has played on AFAIK.
Then you are missing out on a lot of great Prog.
His stints in Yes and King Crimson are fantastic and even playing electronic drums with Anderson , Bruford, Wakeman & Howe is soo cool althogh horribly dated soundwise.
King Crimson is not for me. I heard an album I got from my library. I forget the name. Whatever one has Elephant Talk. Holy shit did it blow.
I don’t listen to Yes.
Who’s the drummer on Roundabout. I always assumed it was Alan White.
The problem with King Crimson, is there's like five different bands; the Lake version, the transition version, the Wetton version, the first Belew version, and the reunion version. You picked one of the more eclectic versions to listen to (the first Belew version). I love Crimson, but I struggle with the Discipline version too; it's a little too '80s/Talking Heads for me.
If you want to hear Bruford specifically you DEFINITELY should check out Red, or Starless And Bible Black. Then maybe Vrooom, or the Power To Believe. They can be REALLY heavy (like Tool heavy) and Discipline, despite being one of the best SOUNDING records I own, isn't that.
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Catching up from the weekend:
I respect their place in history, but I didn't have Ringo or Moonie on my list.
I had NDV at 12, and Brann at 20. Nick can step into any musical situation and sound like he's been there for his whole career. He's the best blend of chops and feel since Phil Collins, and he's a killer singer as well! Plus, he's a co-worker of mine at Sweetwater, so it's fun to name drop him when I can.
Speaking of singing drummers, the fact that Brann plays the way he plays and sings as much as he does is really impressive. His drumming is one of the things that turned me on to Mastodon initially, and he continues to impress me.
As noted, I've got Phil Collins at number 2, and Bill Bruford at number 5. Both have been huge, HUGE influences on me as a drummer. When I started drumming as a kid, the very first drum video I ever watched was Bill Bruford's The Beat, which I think came out in either 1984 or 1985. That had a huge impact on me. Later on, as I got into Yes when I was 9 or 10, checking out his playing on the first 5 Yes records was an education. And then really hearing him stretch out with King Crimson was another eye opener. Then his jazz playing? Such a great blend of Max Roach and Joe Morello.
And then there's Phil. Holy shit, what a phenomenal drummer. My first exposure to Phil was through Genesis' Three Sides Live album. Even though Chester Thompson does most of the drumming for Genesis live, you can tell almost immediately any time that Phil gets behind the kit. I highly recommend everyone check out the In the Cage medley from that album. Actually, any version of the In the Cage medley from the 80's is worth checking out, but the one from the Mama tour is especially cool:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_12_-jzqOlE
Phil takes over on drums at 7:52. I could talk all day about Phil's drumming, and given the opportunity, I probably would!
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I think I got a good idea of the final 8, 7 of which made my list.
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9 - Phil Collins
10 - Bill Bruford
OK...now were talking. Phil Collins is probably the most underrated rock drummer there is. The reason, of course, is obvious, but still. His work on A Trick of the Tail is particularly noteworthy, and watching him duet live with Chester Thompson (and, briefly, Bill Bruford) is incredible. I had him at #13.
I only really know Bruford's work with Yes (and ABWH), and that was enough to land him at #8. Understated excellence.
25 Keith Moon (Maybe...not sure)
24 Probably not
23 I'd say 60-70% chance no
22 Ringo Starr (Probably)
21 Probably not
20 Probably not
19 90% yes
18 Nein
17 Absolutely should be, but I'm thinking less than 50/50
16 Nope
15 Not even a little chance
14 No way, eh
13 Phil Collins (90+% yes)
12 Not a chance
11 Nope
10 Lars Ulrich (I think yes, only about 60% sure)
9 Bill Ward (Should be...75+% likely)
8 Bill Bruford (75+% likely)
7 Cozy Powell (50/50)
6 Scott Rockenfield (Hmmm...really not sure, but I think less than 50/50)
5 Same band as #8 - one of them should make it, if not both
4 90+% yes
3 Lock
2 Mark Zonder (Might sneak in around 21-25)
1 Lock for top 3
Not ranked: Gene Hoglan, Blake Richardson, Carter Beauford, Alex Van Halen, Martin Lopez, Stewart Copeland, Dave Lombardo, Nick D'Virgilio, Brann Dailor
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Catching up the last few days:
16 Dave Lombardo
15 Lars Ulrich
14 Ringo Starr
13 Keith Moon
12 Brann Dailor
11 Nick D'Virgilio
10 Bill Bruford
09 Phil Collins
Only one of these made my Top 25 - the genius Bill Bruford, who I had at # 9. I also had Keith Moon at # 38 before whittling the list down. Moon was great, but he was 100 miles an hour all the time, all energy and not enough nuance for my tastes.
As for the others, who I did not rank, and in my opinion only:
I'm sure Dave Lombardo is great at what he does, but what he does isn't something I listen to very much.
Lars is kind of a joke. The most impressive thing about him (which shouldn't be undervalued) was his drive to make it, to assemble a group with which he could do what he wanted to do and dominate the field. But there is nothing about his actual musical playing which I find admirable or interesting in any way.
Ringo Starr really IS the luckiest drummer in history.
I don't know much about Dailor. I've tried several times to get into Mastadon, and I just can't do it.
I like Nick D'Virgilio a lot, but I like him for his all-aroundness, not just his drumming. He could probably sit down and play for almost any group, any style of music, and play at least competently. But he didn't quite make my list.
I don't even think of Phil Collins as a drummer, so I never even considered him. But as a drummer, although he was pretty good, his biggest contribution to drumming was the sound of gated drums in recording, which, while distinctive, I'm not sure was a GOOD thing lol. But the sound was the contribution, not his actual playing. So even if I had thought of him to consider, he wouldn't have made my list.
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Catching up the last few days:
16 Dave Lombardo
15 Lars Ulrich
14 Ringo Starr
13 Keith Moon
12 Brann Dailor
11 Nick D'Virgilio
10 Bill Bruford
09 Phil Collins
Only one of these made my Top 25 - the genius Bill Bruford, who I had at # 9. I also had Keith Moon at # 38 before whittling the list down. Moon was great, but he was 100 miles an hour all the time, all energy and not enough nuance for my tastes.
As for the others, who I did not rank, and in my opinion only:
I'm sure Dave Lombardo is great at what he does, but what he does isn't something I listen to very much.
Lars is kind of a joke. The most impressive thing about him (which shouldn't be undervalued) was his drive to make it, to assemble a group with which he could do what he wanted to do and dominate the field. But there is nothing about his actual musical playing which I find admirable or interesting in any way.
Ringo Starr really IS the luckiest drummer in history.
I don't know much about Dailor. I've tried several times to get into Mastadon, and I just can't do it.
I like Nick D'Virgilio a lot, but I like him for his all-aroundness, not just his drumming. He could probably sit down and play for almost any group, any style of music, and play at least competently. But he didn't quite make my list.
I don't even think of Phil Collins as a drummer, so I never even considered him. But as a drummer, although he was pretty good, his biggest contribution to drumming was the sound of gated drums in recording, which, while distinctive, I'm not sure was a GOOD thing lol. But the sound was the contribution, not his actual playing. So even if I had thought of him to consider, he wouldn't have made my list.
I think limiting Phil Collins to "gated drum sound" is like limiting Eddie Van Halen to "guitar building". Yeah, it's a part of all of it, but if either of those guys sucked balls, you'd never have heard about the fringe stuff. Phil Collins is a monster on drums IMO.
Kind of the same thing with Ringo; yeah, he WAS the luckiest drummer in rock; anyone who got to play on the regular with Paul Fucking McCartney and John Fucking Lennon was by definition, lucky. George Harrison is in that category too. But if either Ringo or George sucked, they wouldn't have been there.
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Yeah, it’s always hard to say how influential someone is, but Collins definitely influenced another generation of prog drummers (both Portnoy and NDV would cite him as an influence), and that’s in addition to his impact on the sound of drumming in the 80s (which wasn’t exactly his creation anyway, that was more Hugh Padham).
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Who on earth is Hugh Padham?
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Who on earth is Hugh Padham?
Da fuq?
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Who on earth is Hugh Padham?
Can't tell if ribbing me because I missed the g in Padgham or if you don't know.
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Who on earth is Hugh Padham?
Da fuq?
I have literally never heard that name before. And I'm not saying it to be a dick.
I mean, I am a dick, but that's besides the point. :lol
Not ribbing HOF. Adding a g does not clarify it.
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Brann is the only one that made my list out of the last 4.
All of my initial rankings had Brann at #1, just like Kade. But he got swapped out in the final hour. He is just incredible and I consistently love his drumming, although his work on Leviathan and Blood Mountain will always be my favourite.
25.
24.
23.
22.
21.
20.
19. Gene Hoglan
18.
17.
16.
15.
14. Martin Lopez
13.
12.
11.
10.
9.
8.
7.
6.
5. Lars Ulrich
4. Dave Lombardo
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2. Brann Dailor
1.
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Who on earth is Hugh Padham?
Da fuq?
I have literally never heard that name before. And I'm not saying it to be a dick.
I mean, I am a dick, but that's besides the point. :lol
Not ribbing HOF. Adding a g does not clarify it.
He produced Genesis and Phil Collins albums in the 80s (along with The Police, Sting, many others). The "gated drum" sound was something he sort of stumbled on when he was engineering Phil Collins' drum parts for Peter Gabriel III, and then they used it on In The Air Tonight and the rest was history.
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Who on earth is Hugh Padham?
Da fuq?
I have literally never heard that name before. And I'm not saying it to be a dick.
I mean, I am a dick, but that's besides the point. :lol
Not ribbing HOF. Adding a g does not clarify it.
Don’t worry Tim, never heard of him either. But then HOF hasn’t heard of 90% of the guys we highly esteem.
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Who on earth is Hugh Padham?
Da fuq?
I have literally never heard that name before. And I'm not saying it to be a dick.
I mean, I am a dick, but that's besides the point. :lol
Not ribbing HOF. Adding a g does not clarify it.
Don’t worry Tim, never heard of him either. But then HOF hasn’t heard of 90% of the guys we highly esteem.
True, true. :biggrin:
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He produced Genesis and Phil Collins albums in the 80s (along with The Police, Sting, many others). The "gated drum" sound was something he sort of stumbled on when he was engineering Phil Collins' drum parts for Peter Gabriel III, and then they used it on In The Air Tonight and the rest was history.
Oh ok, gotcha. He's a producer. I'll wiki him to see if he did anything I owned. I never had and Genesis or Police related albums.
Don’t worry Tim, never heard of him either. But then HOF hasn’t heard of 90% of the guys we highly esteem.
:lol
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He produced Genesis and Phil Collins albums in the 80s (along with The Police, Sting, many others). The "gated drum" sound was something he sort of stumbled on when he was engineering Phil Collins' drum parts for Peter Gabriel III, and then they used it on In The Air Tonight and the rest was history.
Oh ok, gotcha. He's a producer. I'll wiki him to see if he did anything I owned. I never had and Genesis or Police related albums.
I kind of doubt you will have! He's a pretty quintessential 80s pop producer.
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He produced Genesis and Phil Collins albums in the 80s (along with The Police, Sting, many others). The "gated drum" sound was something he sort of stumbled on when he was engineering Phil Collins' drum parts for Peter Gabriel III, and then they used it on In The Air Tonight and the rest was history.
Oh ok, gotcha. He's a producer. I'll wiki him to see if he did anything I owned. I never had and Genesis or Police related albums.
I kind of doubt you will have! He's a pretty quintessential 80s pop producer.
I checked. Nope.
I bet ChessKingshmegland is familiar with him.
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Who on earth is Hugh Padham?
Da fuq?
I have literally never heard that name before. And I'm not saying it to be a dick.
I mean, I am a dick, but that's besides the point. :lol
Not ribbing HOF. Adding a g does not clarify it.
Hugh Padham is a dude that sells fish and chips from a cart over off of Dock Street, near the Tower of London. Hugh Padgham produced the Police (their last two, and biggest, albums), Phil Collins (his first four solo albums), Genesis (their three biggest albums), Paul McCartney, XTC, and many others.
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I think limiting Phil Collins to "gated drum sound" is like limiting Eddie Van Halen to "guitar building". Yeah, it's a part of all of it, but if either of those guys sucked balls, you'd never have heard about the fringe stuff. Phil Collins is a monster on drums IMO.
It's not the same at all. One is the most influential guitarist of the rock era without question, and the other is Phil Collins. And I never said he sucked. NONE of these guys suck (with the possible exception of Lars).
Kind of the same thing with Ringo; yeah, he WAS the luckiest drummer in rock; anyone who got to play on the regular with Paul Fucking McCartney and John Fucking Lennon was by definition, lucky. George Harrison is in that category too. But if either Ringo or George sucked, they wouldn't have been there.
Again, none of these guys suck. But there is a minimum level of individual skill that is required to be a professional musician. If you're above that level, you don't suck, except by comparison. Ringo is certainly competent, and a good drummer, but the only reason you've ever heard of him is because of Paul and John. You need complementary players like him for most bands with EXTREMELY talented people to succeed, but that quality doesn't make him a great drummer, which is why I never considered him. You (and everyone else that ranked him) can use whatever criteria you want for your lists, but he was never gonna make mine, because my baseline is "Is he a great drummer?" and IMO he's not.
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I probably could name maybe 3 music producers total.
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I probably could name maybe 3 music producers total.
And they're all Japanese.
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I probably could name maybe 3 music producers total.
And they're all Japanese.
Ok 4
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I probably could name maybe 3 music producers total.
You had your picture taken with one in 2013, I believe.
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I probably could name maybe 3 music producers total.
You had your picture taken with one in 2013, I believe.
That'd be one...Tony Visconte would be another. Jens Bogren, but he's more a sound guy than a producer. Saki is technically producer for Nemophila... I'm sure know musicians that are producers, but I don't actually know they're producers. Otherwise, off the top of my head I'm drawing a blank.
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I probably could name maybe 3 music producers total.
You had your picture taken with one in 2013, I believe.
That'd be one...Tony Visconte would be another. Jens Bogren, but he's more a sound guy than a producer. Saki is technically producer for Nemophila... I'm sure know musicians that are producers, but I don't actually know they're producers. Otherwise, off the top of my head I'm drawing a blank.
Simone Mularoni from DGM is a great producer.
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0/2 today for me and neither Phil or Bill had any chance on my list but can see why they made it here.
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I think I got a good idea of the final 8, 7 of which made my list.
I am 99% confident about who 7 of the last 8 will be, but I am blanking out on the last. It'll probably be some metal drummer I've never heard of. :lol
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I think I got a good idea of the final 8, 7 of which made my list.
I am 99% confident about who 7 of the last 8 will be, but I am blanking out on the last. It'll probably be some metal drummer I've never heard of. :lol
OK, cool. I am pretty out of touch with this list, I could probably only be very confident in naming 4 of the remaining drummers.
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I think I got a good idea of the final 8, 7 of which made my list.
I am 99% confident about who 7 of the last 8 will be, but I am blanking out on the last. It'll probably be some metal drummer I've never heard of. :lol
I'm about 90% confident about 5 of the final 8 (one of whom wasn't on my list). There's another guy on my list who, at this point, I think is 50/50. After that, I really have no idea. There are a couple classic rock guys who might make it. If it goes metal, it's probably someone I don't know.
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Bruford is a monster, and on my honorable mentions. His work on the U.K. debut certainly doesn't get enough attention compared to KC and Yes.
Collins was #19 on mine, I definitely think his polarizing solo material makes people forget how great he was on early Genesis and Brand X.
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I probably only have 2 more on my list who make it, but maybe a third sneaks in there. I'm really only certain of 4 who will be in the final 8, though I have some guesses for who the other 4 might be.
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I probably could name maybe 3 music producers total.
You had your picture taken with one in 2013, I believe.
That'd be one...Tony Visconte would be another. Jens Bogren, but he's more a sound guy than a producer. Saki is technically producer for Nemophila... I'm sure know musicians that are producers, but I don't actually know they're producers. Otherwise, off the top of my head I'm drawing a blank.
Simone Mularoni from DGM is a great producer.
See, that's what I mean, I'm very familiar with Mularoni, just had no idea he was a producer
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Eddie Krammer
Bob Ezrin
Bob Rock
Brendan O'Brien
Mike Clink
Rick Rubin
Phil Spector
Quincy Jones
Terry Brown
Alan Parsons
I could go on. None of these RJ?
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Eddie Krammer
Bob Ezrin
Bob Rock
Brendan O'Brien
Mike Clink
Rick Rubin
Phil Spector
Quincy Jones
Terry Brown
Alan Parsons
I could go on. None of these RJ?
Sigh... of course I recognize some of them, but if you asked me before this to name producers, I couldn't because I don't fucking care that much about who produced it. Shit, I only know Visconte as a producer because he's a massive Band Maid fan.
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I am on your bus, lonestar. I have never once thought about an album and considered "Who produced this?" Just as a part of my musical knowledge, I know the names of a few more prominent ones, but otherwise it doesn't factor in to my cognizance of how I view any particular album or artist.
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I probably could name maybe 3 music producers total.
You had your picture taken with one in 2013, I believe.
That'd be one...Tony Visconte would be another. Jens Bogren, but he's more a sound guy than a producer. Saki is technically producer for Nemophila... I'm sure know musicians that are producers, but I don't actually know they're producers. Otherwise, off the top of my head I'm drawing a blank.
Simone Mularoni from DGM is a great producer.
See, that's what I mean, I'm very familiar with Mularoni, just had no idea he was a producer
I knew he was a producer, but I had no idea he was in DGM. ;D
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That's funny that you know Visconte for Band Maid but not for Bowie with so many albums that were hits for him.
I guess I was a liner notes nerd. Not anymore. I can't read the small print. Lol
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That's funny that you know Visconte for Band Maid but not for Bowie with so many albums that were hits for him.
I know Visconti from Thin Lizzy.
I guess I was a liner notes nerd. Not anymore. I can't read the small print. Lol
And they're lost on digital copies. I know the names of nobody in any band I listen to.
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Well, that's part of our age, Tim. No more sitting in the bedroom reading liner notes while listening to the album.
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Well, that's part of our age, Tim. No more sitting in the bedroom reading liner notes while listening to the album.
Lonestar knows all the names.. Migi, Moogy, Mishki, Naby...
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Well, that's part of our age, Tim. No more sitting in the bedroom reading liner notes while listening to the album.
I have tried to explain the significance of this experience to my wife, to no avail. In the mid-90s, I was lost and unhappy, and one of the few things that kept me from completely going off the rails was putting my headphones on and immersing myself in a new album with the CD booklet in my hands.
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I guess I was a liner notes nerd. Not anymore. I can't read the small print. Lol
And they're lost on digital copies. I know the names of nobody in any band I listen to.
This is kind of weird though. All the information is almost always available just a few keystrokes away, and usually 100x more, whereas pre-internet you had liner notes, word of mouth, and maybe a few zines and mags here and there if you could get your hands on them. Now you can find out someone's whole life story if you want without getting out of your chair.
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I guess I was a liner notes nerd. Not anymore. I can't read the small print. Lol
And they're lost on digital copies. I know the names of nobody in any band I listen to.
This is kind of weird though. All the information is almost always available just a few keystrokes away, and usually 100x more, whereas pre-internet you had liner notes, word of mouth, and maybe a few zines and mags here and there if you could get your hands on them. Now you can find out someone's whole life story if you want without getting out of your chair.
Yes, there was a time in my life that nothing mattered except for the music I listened to at that moment.. Plus, then you had to BUY it and you had a physical thing in your hands that you gazed over endlessly.
Plus, I simply don't commit to memory a bunch of random names after reading something about a band online.
I'm aware of the names of the members of recent bands that have had impacts on me, but that's few and far between. If I simply like the music, I may not venture to read too much on them. They have to really strike a chord for me to bother.
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I guess I was a liner notes nerd. Not anymore. I can't read the small print. Lol
And they're lost on digital copies. I know the names of nobody in any band I listen to.
This is kind of weird though. All the information is almost always available just a few keystrokes away, and usually 100x more, whereas pre-internet you had liner notes, word of mouth, and maybe a few zines and mags here and there if you could get your hands on them. Now you can find out someone's whole life story if you want without getting out of your chair.
I’m always surprised by how little info is available online for some albums. Certainly newer, indie releases or small label stuff, but even some older major label stuff just wasn’t really written about and sometimes you get very scant into on Wikipedia.
My big problem lately is that I have physical stuff in multiple locations in my house and half of it is unorganized, so if I want to pull out the liner notes sometimes I just give up. The best thing for that now is pulling up Discogs to see if there is an image scan of the liner notes. That’s often the best resource.
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Well, that's part of our age, Tim. No more sitting in the bedroom reading liner notes while listening to the album.
Lonestar knows all the names.. Migi, Moogy, Mishki, Naby...
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I’m always surprised by how little info is available online for some albums. Certainly newer, indie releases or small label stuff, but even some older major label stuff just wasn’t really written about and sometimes you get very scant into on Wikipedia.
Yeah, but if there's not much info online about the album, there's a good chance there's not much in the liner notes either. And Wikipedia can be a starting point, but depending on the style and band there are a lot of others that are often much better.
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I’m always surprised by how little info is available online for some albums. Certainly newer, indie releases or small label stuff, but even some older major label stuff just wasn’t really written about and sometimes you get very scant into on Wikipedia.
Yeah, but if there's not much info online about the album, there's a good chance there's not much in the liner notes either. And Wikipedia can be a starting point, but depending on the style and band there are a lot of others that are often much better.
RateYourMusic is a great resource for this kind of stuff. Metal Archives is even better if you are looking for info on metal bands. Then there's Prog Archives, Discogs, Sputnik, etc, etc...
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Well, that's part of our age, Tim. No more sitting in the bedroom reading liner notes while listening to the album.
Lonestar knows all the names.. Migi, Moogy, Mishki, Naby...
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Tim's versions of Japanese names. Lol
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We cannot forget probably the most famous producer of the popular music era: George Martin. He is often called the 5th Beatle.
Never underestimate the importance of a good producer. They can make or break a record.
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Eddie Krammer
Bob Ezrin
Bob Rock
Brendan O'Brien
Mike Clink
Rick Rubin
Phil Spector
Quincy Jones
Terry Brown
Alan Parsons
I could go on. None of these RJ?
I'm surprised at how many of these I recognized. Rick Rubin stands out as the guy who produced some of the worst sounding albums from the mid 90's to early 00's.
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We cannot forget probably the most famous producer of the popular music era: George Martin. He is often called the 5th Beatle.
Never underestimate the importance of a good producer. They can make or break a record.
Yep, I’ve always been fascinated by the roles producers play. Some are more involved in the songwriting and even contribute to some of the music, others are more just sort of guiding the project or service as quality control. But I’ve always wanted to know who produces an album, who mixes it, and if there is any info out there in terms of the process of how the album was made, that always interests me too.
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Eddie Krammer
Bob Ezrin
Bob Rock
Brendan O'Brien
Mike Clink
Rick Rubin
Phil Spector
Quincy Jones
Terry Brown
Alan Parsons
I could go on. None of these RJ?
Mutt Lange
Ted Templeman
Peter Collins
Steve Lillywhite
Daniel Lanois
Dave Meegan
Roy Thomas Baker
Todd Rundgren
Steve Albini
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Top 25 Producers Countdown next?
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Top 25 Producers Countdown next?
In!
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Top 25 Producers Countdown next?
Martin Birch for the win.
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Top 25 Producers Countdown next?
That would be a trainwreck, because artists who produce their own music are technically producers as well, so you'd likely see many favorite artists being listed simply because they produced some or all of their own music.
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It was a joke, Kev. :lol
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I know, but it seriously would be a mess. :lol :lol
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I know, but it seriously would be a mess. :lol :lol
I’d also imagine you’d have 90% of posters struggling to name more than 10 and a few posters saying they can name 100 off the top of their head.
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I know, but it seriously would be a mess. :lol :lol
I’d also imagine you’d have 90% of posters struggling to name more than 10 and a few posters saying they can name 100 off the top of their head.
Kind of like the Drummers Countdown.
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25. His reputation should put him on here
24. No chance in hell
23. I highly doubt it.
22. perhaps?
21. Ringo Starr Should be, but most will probably overlook him
20. Phil Collins Maybe?
19. Legend, but won't make it
18. Fo sho
17. Doubt it
16. Nope
15. Prolly not
14. Dunno… maybe?
13. Nope
12. Even the fans of this band have probably forgotten about him
11. should be, but doubt it
10. Keith Moon He's gotta be there
9. Nada
8. Scott Rockenfield Possibly
7. Fo sho
6. Nope
5. Not gonna happen ('specially if Joe/RJ didn't put him on their lists)
4. Alex Van Halen He better be
3. Him too (I'm bothered by your lack of faith, RJ)
2. Guaran-damn-teed
1. As for sure as death and taxes
Bruford was on my short list, but not the top 25. Prolly would've been mid-30s for me.
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Well, that's part of our age, Tim. No more sitting in the bedroom reading liner notes while listening to the album.
Lonestar knows all the names.. Migi, Moogy, Mishki, Naby...
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Tim's versions of Japanese names. Lol
Eh, still not remotely funny.
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Duh. It's Tim. Lol
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Top 25 Producers Countdown next?
Mutt Lange!!!! WIN!
Neil Kernon, Terry Date and Terry Brown not too shabby either.
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25. Keith Moon I think this maniac will be picked
24. Dirty chance he'll make it
23. Pretty sure you'd say "who"?
22. I miss this guy. Wish he was still with us. Not gonna make it here. :'(
21. This weirdo won't make it. 40 years and 14 studio albums with the same original quartet+. Impressive stuff.
20. Carter Beauford A unique cat whose style is highly revered in drumming circles. Not sure here though.
19. Larz Huge name. Guaranteed pick.
18. Spicy lefty. He has a shot.
17. Martin Lopez In 2005, a no-brainer to be on here. Today. Maybe?
16. Probably won't be here. It's a crime.
15. 100% this monster's here.
14. Alex Van Halen Brother of a legend on one of our other lists. Won't be surprised if he makes this list.
13. Groove metal master. Won't make the list though.
12. Another real cool cat. A rock player with a huge jazz background. I'm gonna say he won't be named here.
11. Stewart Copeland Classic rocker who's very likely.
10. Blake Richardson Also very likely but not a classic rocker.
9. Liked him before, but since the band's 3rd release in 93 I have loved his playing. Not going to make the list.
8. He started further down my list. But the more I thought about it, his talent and style make him absolutely unique. Probably.
7. This forum? Of course.
6. Nick D'Virgilio Prog dude. Pretty sure he'll be here.
5. Brann Dailor Not sure on him. Highly respected, but not sure how well his name is known outside the drumming community.
4. Second one on my list who's known by a nickname. (My first draft had three). Not going to be named here.
3. Ringo For sure. Legend
2. I've thought mostly highly and sometimes low of this guy. He's still my number 2 basher though.
1. The master
28. Phil Collins
29. Dave Lombardo
42. Bill Ward
10/18
Didn't list either. Collins was close. Both for Genesis and solo. And Bruford, I probably should have considered higher as I really like the Yes and KC stuff.
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I had NDV at 12, and Brann at 20. Nick can step into any musical situation and sound like he's been there for his whole career. He's the best blend of chops and feel since Phil Collins, and he's a killer singer as well! Plus, he's a co-worker of mine at Sweetwater, so it's fun to name drop him when I can.
Do you know Nick Rice? He always handles my orders for me.
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I know his sister, Jasmine.
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I know his sister, Jasmine.
:lol
I work with a Matt Rice. We call him Rat Mice.
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I think I've got the final 8 in mind. I predict 5 more for me for a 15/26 final.
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Top 25 Producers Countdown next?
That would be a trainwreck, because artists who produce their own music are technically producers as well, so you'd likely see many favorite artists being listed simply because they produced some or all of their own music.
"Producer" might be the most nebulous concept in the process of music making. It's everything from the guy who knows what every button and switch in the control room does and has the visionary genius to turn a mediocre band into a legendary act, to someone who just sits in on a meeting about the album and offers one suggestion.
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I know his sister, Jasmine.
:lol
I work with a Matt Rice. We call him Rat Mice.
That's awesome! :lol
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Getting to the end!
7 - Marco Minnemann
Appeared on 17 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (devieira73)
7 Top 10 Finishes
The most misspelled drummer on the list, over half of the lists had his name wrong :lol
That said he was 15 on my list. He is crazy good and I love his work in The Aristocrats and his brief stint with Steven Wilson. I often wonder how DT would sound he got the gig instead of Mangini.
8 - Nicko McBrain
Appeared on 15 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 3 (Mladen)
8 Top 10 Finishes
Not really a Maiden fan so he didn't make the cut for me sadly
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Had Marco Minnemann at 14. Such a beast of a player.
Yeah I rooted for him during the DT auditions.
His playing with Steven Wilson is great.
Not really a Maiden fan so Nicko was not ranked in my top 25.
Going to see my nr 2 tonight... pretty sure now that he will not show up in the remaining spots. Too bad...
25 highly likely
24 no way
23 Phil Collins - probably
22 no chance
21 slight possibility
20 Stewart Copeland - possible
19 slight possibility
18 doubt it, but he should
17 Nick D'Virgilio - possible
16 probably not
15 possible
14 Marco Minnemann - possible
13 sadly not a chance
12 doubt it
11 no way in hell
10 definitely
9 possible
8 possible
7 Bill Bruford - possible
6 sadly not a chance
5 definitely
4 definitely
3 high probability
2 sadly I don't think he will make but he should
1 Locked in here....
Not ranked:
Gene Hoglan
Cozy Powell
Blake Richardson
Bill Ward
Carter Beauford
Alex Van Halen
Scott Rockenfield
Lars Ulrich
Dave Lombardo
Keith Moon
Ringo Starr
Brann Dailor
Nicko McBrain
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Yesterday I said that I was 99% confident about who 7 of the last 8 will be, but blanking out on the last. Truth be told, I had a few on the brain as being possibilities to be the 8th, and Minnemann was one of them, so there it is. I figured McBrain was a no-brainer.
I didn't rank either. While Minnemann is a beast on those records with SW, I don't listen to any other album on which he plays (I have the one with Levin and Rudess, but I never revisit it). McBrain is very good, but, like with Judas Priest, I never come away from a Maiden song thinking, "Damn, that drummer is awesome."
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Yesterday I said that I was 99% confident about who 7 of the last 8 will be, but blanking out on the last. Truth be told, I had a few on the brain as being possibilities to be the 8th, and Minnemann was one of them, so there it is. I figured McBrain was a no-brainer.
Saw what you did there :D.
I had Nicko but had him lower than his predecessor who I assume by now is not making the list . . .
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Nicko was 23 for me. Showman with the chops. Constant, and steady in a sea of music.
Marco was #6. He can play something so beautiful is a complex song that makes you replay to hear all his little nuances.
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Nicko really made his presence known with his first song as the new IM drummer - the intro to Where Eagles Dare kicks ass.
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I have Minnemann at 16, and that’s mainly on the strength of his work in McStine & Minnemann. He’s just a powerhouse with amazing groove and speed but still very melodic. I think I first saw/heard him with Paul Gilbert, and then I remember wanting him to be the DT gig (even though it was obvious who would get it). I do think that would have opened up more interesting musical possibilities, but I’m sure Mangini was the better all around fit at the end of the day. I wasn’t sure he would finish this high, but he was one I suspected might sneak in. Still have at least 3 locks remaining, but that’s probably it.
I also figured someone from Maiden would be in the last 8, so not surprised to see McBrain here. I’m sure he’s great, just not someone I listen to ever.
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25. Should be top 10 but won't cause y'all suck
24. A real reach for favorite but whatever, won't make the list anyway
23. Obvious choice. (Alex Van Halen)
22. Won't be surprised either way with this one
21. Probably gonna make the final list? Maybe?
20. Will definitely make the list
19. Not a chance, but should be if we're including metal drummers
18. Probably not, but who knows?
17. Not a chance, but an early influence on my rock/metal groove style
16. Not a chance in hell and that's fine
15. No way Jose.
14. Higher chance that Stadler votes for Hillary
13. Obviously will make collective top 5.
12. Maybe? Out of touch with forum on this stuff
11. Not gonna happen
10. Probably will make the final list
9. Lock for top 20 (Marco Miniman)
8. It's a crime this guy is so unknown and therefore won't make the list
7. Nah, cause liking his band used to mean you got made fun of
6. Possible? But unlikely.
5. This is the collective forum's favorite drummer.....to poop on! (Lars Ulrich)
4. Better be in the top 10. BETTER BE!
3. Kev won't be voting for this guy, but I imagine he'll rank high
2. Too obvious
1. Also super obviously in the top 5.
Had Marco at 9. Not a drummer I listen to a lot of bands from, but I see a lot of his playing on youtube and the like and the dude always blows me away.
Nicko isn't a surprise but didn't rank for me. Not the biggest Maiden fan and his drumming never really stood out to me.
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I had NDV at 12, and Brann at 20. Nick can step into any musical situation and sound like he's been there for his whole career. He's the best blend of chops and feel since Phil Collins, and he's a killer singer as well! Plus, he's a co-worker of mine at Sweetwater, so it's fun to name drop him when I can.
Do you know Nick Rice? He always handles my orders for me.
I know who he is, but I can't say I know him personally. The Sales Department has grown quite a bit since I started!
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Minnemann is #15 on mine. He's been all over the place, and I also wish he had gotten the DT gig instead of Mangini. The list of players who can convincingly work with Necrophagist, Steven Wilson, Tony MacAlpine, and Nena can't be very large.
McBrain is on my honorables. I'm not nearly the Maiden fan many here are, but his playing and kit sound on BNW is so crisp.
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For today's drummers, I had Minnemann at 18 and Nicko in my honorable mentions. I got to see Minnemann live with SW on the Raven tour, and he was outstanding. I'm also a big fan of his McStine-Minnemann project. Super talented dude.
Nicko is an inspiring guy. I love his attitude towards his work. Talk about a guy who loves what he's doing!! He's a really solid drummer, and I think he's the linchpin in Iron Maiden, both behind the kit and away from the kit.
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1/2
Minneman is an unbelievable talent, probably a top 3 of drummers I've seen live. Seen him with Steven Wilson, The Aristocrats, and In Continuum, and he left a crowd of jaws on the floor every time.
McBrain I didn't have, but he was the #8 of my predicted final 8 from a few posts ago, If my calculations are correct, I should have the final 6.
25- Alex Van Halen Should be there
24- Nope
23- Mayyybeee
22- Definitely not, and a damn shame too
21- Lock
20- Should make the list
19- Lock
18- They'd be on everyone's list if they heard them
17- Blake Richardson (Yeah)
16- Probably
15- Bill Bruford (Lock)
14- Might make it, definitely worthy
13- Unfortunately no
12- Lock
11- Another unfortunately no
10- Lock
9- Not too sure...we'll see
8- Lock
7- Lock
6- No, and I hate you all that they won't make it
5- Marco Minneman (Lock)
4- See #6, multiply by 1000
3- Keith Moon(Yeah)
2- Lock
1- Lock
Not Listed-
Gene Hoglan
Cozy Powell
Bill Ward
Carter Beuford
Martin Lopez
Mark Zonder
Scott Rockenfield
Stewart Copeland
Lars Ulrich
Dave Lombardo
Ringo Star
Nick D'Virgilio
Brann Dailor
Phil Colins
Nicko McBrain
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Top 25 Producers Countdown next?
In!
Why not? It'll be fun arguing that George Martin isn't the luckiest producer on the planet. :) :) :) :) :)
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Top 25 Producers Countdown next?
In!
Why not? It'll be fun arguing that George Martin isn't the luckiest producer on the planet. :) :) :) :) :)
:rollin
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25 Bill Bruford (Reasonable chance, depending.)
24 No chance in hell; there are other drummers IN HIS BAND that might, though.
23 He's either going to be in someone's top ten or not on the list, so probably won't make the final.
22 No chance. I might take some crap for this one.
21 No chance; most people won't know who he is.
20 No chance.
19 No chance (part of what will possibly be the only "father/son" pair on anyone's list)
18 No chance, due to this band being a pariah around here.
17 60-40 he makes it.
16 Probably no chance, but a crying shame. The man is a mule.
15. Slim chance; he is arguably my vote for best drummer in his genre, though there's another guy that gets all the press.
14 One of three guys from a certain band to make my list; probably won't make the final.
13 Keith Moon (90% lock)
12 100% lock
11 Slim chance; the other guy who replaced him has a better shot.
10 Should be a 100% lock; this forum? 50-50 at best.
9 Cozy Powell (I submitted my predictions AFTER this)
8 Nicko McBrain No. 11's "other guy". Should be 70-30 to make it.
7 Sadly, no chance.
6 Bill Ward (Sadly, probably no chance; he's a pale shell of his former self, but some of his early live work is incendiary.)
5 Ringo Starr (SHOULD BE 100% lock.)
4 100% lock
3 100% lock
2 Phil Collins (100% lock)
1 100% lock and my guess for Number One overall.
27: Carter Beauford
38: Lars Ulrich
NR: Stewart Copeland
NR: Nick D'Virgilio
NR: Brann Dailor
NR: Gene Hoglan
NR: Dave Lombardo
NR: Martin Lopez
NR: Marco Minneman
NR: Blake Richardson
NR: Scott Rockenfield
NR: Alex Van Halen
NR: Mark Zonder
Nicko is the man; I was always a fan of Clive, and at first thought the whole "McBrain" thing was a joke that wasn't all that funny (his first album with Maiden had Eddie with a lobotomy on the cover and was called PIECE of Mind) but he really IS the lynchpin of Maiden at this point.
His greatest work in Maiden? https://youtu.be/YSQUq_xdHsM
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I can only safely guess four of the last six. I have vague guesses for the remaining two - actually, I think I can get five of the last six.
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Nicko is the man; I was always a fan of Clive, and at first thought the whole "McBrain" thing was a joke that wasn't all that funny (his first album with Maiden had Eddie with a lobotomy on the cover and was called PIECE of Mind) but he really IS the lynchpin of Maiden at this point.
His greatest work in Maiden? https://youtu.be/YSQUq_xdHsM
I thought the same about his name. I didn't think it was real.
and yes!! "Fuck my old boots".
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Marco Minnemann is my favorite drummer because he always surprises me with his playing and there are literally hundreds of albums (even if he only plays on a few songs) that he has been a part of, always with his very distinctive playing. He plays all those complex and crazy stuff with a light-hearted feeling, like it's really a second nature to him. To me, his drumming truly sounds like the culmination of all the years of modern drumming's development.
For those who wants to hear him playing something closer do DT/LTE style, I recommend those amazing albums (I selected some songs off them):
The 2 Levin Minnemann Rudess albums (I guess it's on youtube, but apparently not on spotify).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQoTqFHJA-Y
Syrek - Story (with Bryan Beller and Mohini Dey on bass)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=727PpxC4iIM&list=OLAK5uy_ktrPskmQhr0RAlhtfYcYi6ryp34QnVN7M&index=7
Dewa Budjan - Mahandini (all the album with Rudess and Mohini Dey on bass)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B86EqIp13wA
Taku Yabuki – Modern World Symphony No.3 (an unbelievable excellent album that I just discovered a month ago! Marco plays only on tracks 5, 7 and 13)
https://www.discogs.com/release/15902559-Taku-Yabuki-Modern-World-Symphony-No3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJDY12PeqtU&list=OLAK5uy_l4o40sJixMQ_pPa47dy8lMyHGT8apciOU&index=5
By the way, I love Bill Bruford (my#25). His work with Yes and King Crimson is amazing and revolutionary. I also love Nicko, I think he made a very creative work from Piece of Mind to 7th Son and surely helped a lot to craft Maiden's classic sound ever more.
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Nicko is the man; I was always a fan of Clive, and at first thought the whole "McBrain" thing was a joke that wasn't all that funny (his first album with Maiden had Eddie with a lobotomy on the cover and was called PIECE of Mind) but he really IS the lynchpin of Maiden at this point.
His greatest work in Maiden? https://youtu.be/YSQUq_xdHsM
I thought the same about his name. I didn't think it was real.
and yes!! "Fuck my old boots".
"'e's a dumb cock, in'ne?"
Do you have the later collage of Nicko? It's the second half of one of the b-sides, I forget which one (EDIT: It's the tail end of "Black Bart Blues" from the "Can I Play With Madness" single). It's a bunch of snippets of dumb shit that Nicko said into the microphone. "A CD! We're going to put it on a CD!!!" Some of them are hilarious.
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Nicko is the man; I was always a fan of Clive, and at first thought the whole "McBrain" thing was a joke that wasn't all that funny (his first album with Maiden had Eddie with a lobotomy on the cover and was called PIECE of Mind) but he really IS the lynchpin of Maiden at this point.
His greatest work in Maiden? https://youtu.be/YSQUq_xdHsM
I thought the same about his name. I didn't think it was real.
and yes!! "Fuck my old boots".
"'e's a dumb cock, in'ne?"
Do you have the later collage of Nicko? It's the second half of one of the b-sides, I forget which one (EDIT: It's the tail end of "Black Bart Blues" from the "Can I Play With Madness" single). It's a bunch of snippets of dumb shit that Nicko said into the microphone. "A CD! We're going to put it on a CD!!!" Some of them are hilarious.
I actually bought the picture disc when it came out.
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7 - Marco Minnemann
8 - Nicko McBrain
I only know Minnemann's name from the DT drummer auditions. If my memory is correct, he seemed to be the consensus favorite of folks on the MP forum (I wasn't here at DTF at that time). However, I don't believe I've ever heard anything he's played on.
Nicko, on the other hand, has been rock solid for the better part of 40 years. While I'm not a big fan of the more recent Maiden output, his work on the classic Maiden material was superb. His announcement of his arrival in the band on Where Eagles Dare let fans know the drum thrown was in good hands after Clive Burr's departure. I had Nicko at #4.
25 Keith Moon (Maybe...not sure)
24 Probably not
23 I'd say 60-70% chance no
22 Ringo Starr (Probably)
21 Probably not
20 Probably not
19 90% yes
18 Nein
17 Absolutely should be, but I'm thinking less than 50/50
16 Nope
15 Not even a little chance
14 No way, eh
13 Phil Collins (90+% yes)
12 Not a chance
11 Nope
10 Lars Ulrich (I think yes, only about 60% sure)
9 Bill Ward (Should be...75+% likely)
8 Bill Bruford (75+% likely)
7 Cozy Powell (50/50)
6 Scott Rockenfield (Hmmm...really not sure, but I think less than 50/50)
5 Same band as #8 - one of them should make it, if not both
4 Nicko McBrain (90+% yes)
3 Lock
2 Mark Zonder (Might sneak in around 21-25)
1 Lock for top 3
Not ranked: Gene Hoglan, Blake Richardson, Carter Beauford, Alex Van Halen, Martin Lopez, Stewart Copeland, Dave Lombardo, Nick D'Virgilio, Brann Dailor, Marco Minnemann
Still pretty confident in four of the final 6...less confident in a 5th guy (it'll be a bummer if he doesn't make it since the guy he replaced has made it, but I'll be surprised if he's this high). No idea about the 6th - could be any number of people or someone I've never heard of.
Nicko is the man; I was always a fan of Clive, and at first thought the whole "McBrain" thing was a joke that wasn't all that funny (his first album with Maiden had Eddie with a lobotomy on the cover and was called PIECE of Mind) but he really IS the lynchpin of Maiden at this point.
His greatest work in Maiden? https://youtu.be/YSQUq_xdHsM
I thought the same about his name. I didn't think it was real.
Same - especially since I had the Piece of Mind picture disc, which prominently displayed Eddie's removed brain in a salad bar on the reverse side. I thought the name was a gag to fit the album's theme.
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Minneman is a monster. I had him at # 24 on my list, but he could easily have been higher.
I'm not a fan of Maiden, so McBrain was unranked for me.
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7 - Marco Minnemann
Appeared on 17 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (devieira73)
7 Top 10 Finishes
8 - Nicko McBrain
Appeared on 15 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 3 (Mladen)
8 Top 10 Finishes
Marco Minnemann - my number 19. Loved his DT audition and his work with SW.
Nicko McBrain - my number 5. As the drummer of my favourite band I had to have Nicko right up there. These days I find Nicko's drumming to be pretty predictable but his work on the 80s albums, including his now iconic Where Eagles Dare opening is pretty special to me.
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I can only safely guess four of the last six. I have vague guesses for the remaining two - actually, I think I can get five of the last six.
I can only safely guess 3 of the remaining drummers, probably who will be the top 3. I have a couple more on my list that could be there. So I could have 5 of the remaining 6 left on my list. I could speculate who the other drummer is but really not sure.
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I'm locked on 4 of them, and about 90% sure on the other two. I got all 6 on my list, all listed as locks.
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If the top 6 are who I think they will be, it will have 4 of my top 5, one guy I totally forgot about, and another that some will shame me for leaving off.
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I'm kind of amazed you can be so certain on this one. I mean we have had thrash metal drummers, rock drummers, prog drummers, a bit of everything so far. It just doesn't feel like the remainder are that easy.
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I'm kind of amazed you can be so certain on this one. I mean we have had thrash metal drummers, rock drummers, prog drummers, a bit of everything so far. It just doesn't feel like the remainder are that easy.
2 are a given based on where we're posting, and another will be on everyone's list for sure. Beyond that, just solid guesses on my part based on the general feel of posting here for 12 years. I'd be willing to put 5 on it actually.
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There are 4 I’m sure of (3 of them on my list), 1 more who I think is a pretty good guess (don’t even know his name, just going by the band which is pretty popular here), and then I’m less sure of the last one but I am guessing it’s a member of another band which is particularly popular here.
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Getting down to the wire and some obvious ones haven't showed up. 3 in particular.
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I'd love to say I have 5 of the remaining 6 on my list, I definitely don't have all 6 if lonestar is correct.
But yeah there are of course 3 very obvious ones to come.
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There are 4 I’m sure of (3 of them on my list), 1 more who I think is a pretty good guess (don’t even know his name, just going by the band which is pretty popular here), and then I’m less sure of the last one but I am guessing it’s a member of another band which is particularly popular here.
Oh, I just thought of another guy who maybe should be obvious (I'm not totally sure there enough fans of his band here, but he's pretty widely regarded as one of the top metal/prog drummers). I considered but didn't list him myself. Feels like he wouldn't miss the list altogether and he hasn't shown up yet. Hmmm.
I'd say I'm pretty sure about 4 of the 6 remaining, and then I have 3 pretty good guesses for the other 2, but one of them misses the list altogether.
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There are 4 I’m sure of (3 of them on my list), 1 more who I think is a pretty good guess (don’t even know his name, just going by the band which is pretty popular here), and then I’m less sure of the last one but I am guessing it’s a member of another band which is particularly popular here.
Oh, I just thought of another guy who maybe should be obvious (I'm not totally sure there enough fans of his band here, but he's pretty widely regarded as one of the top metal/prog drummers). I considered but didn't list him myself. Feels like he wouldn't miss the list altogether and he hasn't shown up yet. Hmmm.
I'd say I'm pretty sure about 4 of the 6 remaining, and then I have 3 pretty good guesses for the other 2, but one of them misses the list altogether.
HOF, not sure we are thinking of the same person, but if so I hope he makes it.
If there are 2 drummers from the one band to come, there are 4 obvious ones left. Then I would guess one prog/rock guy and then I hope one prog/metal guy. Not sure if this where others thoughts are but that is my guess.
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Nearing the end, 2/2 for today
5 - Mike Mangini
Appeared on 18 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (Dream Team)
7 Top 10 Finishes
Unsurprising that Mike Mangini made the list. He is an incredible drummer and as badly as I wanted Thomas Lang to have a go at being DT's drummer I realize how perfect of a fit Mike is to the band. He has chops for days and hangs his cymbals somewhere in the stratosphere. Brilliant musician.
6 - Danny Carey
Appeared on 12 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (LithoJazzoSphere, ReaperKK, The Realm)
9 Top 10 Finishes
Interesting to see the number of people who ranked him ranked him as high as they did. I was pretty confident that Danny Carey was going to make the list but I'm pleasantly surprised he ranked so high.
Personally speaking, after Lars he was the second big drummer discovery. I distinctly remember putting in the Lateralus CD after it was released for the first time and that intro to The Grudge left my jaw on the floor.
Much like Stewart Copeland he has a completely unique approach to the drums. The way he strings together these these amazing rhythms that seem to serve Tool's music perfectly. If you're even the slightest Tool fan you owe it to yourself to go see them live and watch Danny put on a masterclass behind the kit (the show is pretty fucking incredible too). For as big of an act as they are they play live to no click and they recorded Fear Innoculum without a click, just an octopus keeping the train moving.
Another reason I hold him in such high regard is while Mike Mangini (and I'm using him only as an example because he is in today's update) is a monster none of his parts are really that memorable. Even Danny's most recent work sticks in my brain like gorilla glue.
I imagine that those who ranked have probably seen the Vic Firth pro-shot footage of Pneuma but if you haven't check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA
Additionally Danny's side projects are really good, Volto! being my favorite. Legend of the Seagullmen is a pretty interesting listen and has Brent Hinds from Mastodon on it.
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Not surprised MM made it. Didn’t rank for me since I’m just not a fan of his overall approach to drums.
Totally forgot about Danny but he also wouldn’t have ranked for me
Guess my “locks” were not so much locks after all. Interesting.
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I now feel super confident that was I correct in who the remaining six would be.
Longtime followers of my posts (seek help if this is you :P) might be surprised that not only did Mangini's predecessor in Dream Theater place higher for me, but Mangini didn't make my list at all. Like Adami said, I am just not a fan of his fundamental approach to drumming (I am not a technical guy when it comes to playing). I am, however, stunned that not a single voter had him at number 1 on their list.
I totally forgot about Carey, but I guess that is what happens when you never listen to a band. I finally got into Lateralus a while back, but since then I still never listen to that album or Tool. I can't call a drummer if a favorite if I never listen to his or her band. He is a terrific drummer, though, no doubt about it.
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I imagine that those who ranked have probably seen the Vic Firth pro-shot footage of Pneuma but if you haven't check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA
Thanks for the link, love watching drummers from that pov. The pattern that starts around 7:00(ish) is :omg:
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I had Mike Mangini at 10. He is a master and I can really appreciate his accenting of other players but to me he is not as fun to watch live as his predecessor.
Danny Carey was at 4 on my list. Monster of a player. So glad that I finally got to see Tool live last year. Amazing experience.
25 highly likely
24 no way
23 Phil Collins - probably
22 no chance
21 slight possibility
20 Stewart Copeland - possible
19 slight possibility
18 doubt it, but he should
17 Nick D'Virgilio - possible
16 probably not
15 possible
14 Marco Minnemann - possible
13 sadly not a chance
12 doubt it
11 no way in hell
10 Mike Mangini - definitely
9 possible
8 possible
7 Bill Bruford - possible
6 sadly not a chance
5 definitely
4 Danny Carey - definitely
3 high probability
2 sadly I don't think he will make but he should
1 Locked in here....
Not ranked:
Gene Hoglan
Cozy Powell
Blake Richardson
Bill Ward
Carter Beauford
Alex Van Halen
Scott Rockenfield
Lars Ulrich
Dave Lombardo
Keith Moon
Ringo Starr
Brann Dailor
Nicko McBrain
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I didn't get to submit a list, but only 3 would've made it so far. Brann Dailor, MM and Danny Carey.
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I now feel super confident that was I correct in who the remaining six would be.
Longtime followers of my posts (seek help if this is you :P) might be surprised that not only did Mangini's predecessor in Dream Theater place higher for me, but Mangini didn't make my list at all. Like Adami said, I am just not a fan of his fundamental approach to drumming (I am not a technical guy when it comes to playing). I am, however, stunned that not a single voter had him at number 1 on their list.
I totally forgot about Carey, but I guess that is what happens when you never listen to a band. I finally got into Lateralus a while back, but since then I still never listen to that album or Tool. I can't call a drummer if a favorite if I never listen to his or her band. He is a terrific drummer, though, no doubt about it.
So Kev are you saying you had Carey in your top 6 before todays reveal? Hard to know from what you said above.
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So Kev are you saying you had Carey in your top 6 before todays reveal? Hard to know from what you said above.
Yes. The other day when I said something to the effect of being super confident about who 7 of the final 8 would be, Carey was one of them (as were Mangini and McBrain). Even though I didn't rank him, I assumed many others probably did, and that many would have had him very high.
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ReaperKK, can you update the OP to show the entire list (like I always do in these threads)? I know you have the links to each featured drummer, but a master list that shows the entire countdown to date in order is needed. :)
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I had Carey at 21 and Mangini at 14. I saw Carey in 96 and it was a sonic attack. A refreshing style I never really saw before live.
I saw Mangini first with Extreme on the WFTP tour. 1995. Totally blew my mind.
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Had both of them, and am even more confident of the final 4.
Mangini (#12) is a technical monster, just amazed at what he accomplishes behind the kit.
Carey (#19) is fucking amazing, technicality aside, the mood he sets to Tool's music is so intrinsic. He's as much to Tool as Moon was to early Who, you just don't have that sound without him.
3 of the final 4 I'm 100% sure on, and sitting at 99% on the other.
25- Alex Van Halen Should be there
24- Nope
23- Mayyybeee
22- Definitely not, and a damn shame too
21- Lock
20- Should make the list
19- Danny Carey (Lock)
18- They'd be on everyone's list if they heard them
17- Blake Richardson (Yeah)
16- Probably
15- Bill Bruford (Lock)
14- Might make it, definitely worthy
13- Unfortunately no
12- Mike Mangini (Lock)
11- Another unfortunately no
10- Lock
9- Not too sure...we'll see
8- Lock
7- Lock
6- No, and I hate you all that they won't make it
5- Marco Minneman (Lock)
4- See #6, multiply by 1000
3- Keith Moon(Yeah)
2- Lock
1- Lock
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Gene Hoglan
Cozy Powell
Bill Ward
Carter Beuford
Martin Lopez
Mark Zonder
Scott Rockenfield
Stewart Copeland
Lars Ulrich
Dave Lombardo
Ringo Star
Nick D'Virgilio
Brann Dailor
Phil Colins
Nicko McBrain
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So Kev are you saying you had Carey in your top 6 before todays reveal? Hard to know from what you said above.
Yes. The other day when I said something to the effect of being super confident about who 7 of the final 8 would be, Carey was one of them (as were Mangini and McBrain). Even though I didn't rank him, I assumed many others probably did, and that many would have had him very high.
Ok cool. Well seems that even though I wasn’t that confident of the remaining 6 I think I have guessed correctly anyway. I’ll post my write up on the latest reveal later as lots to say about these 2 drummers.
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Had Mangini at 17. I'm glad he was the guy that ended up in DT. His drumming on the last two DT records especially has been amazing, and for me, seems to inject a fair amount of fun in those album.
One of my variations of my list had Danny Carey on it. In the late 90's and early 00's, he would have been top 5 for me. My musical tastes have evolved quite a bit since then, so Tool has fallen off my radar. Got to see him live on the Lateralus tour, and I was glued to him the whole time. Really fun to watch.
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Danny Carey (my #7) is one of those genius that you recognize his style right away and what he does it's REALLY complex - I recommend this Drumeo Video, analysing his work on TOOL, specially from 10:12 on, where they talk about his polyrhythmic drumming.
Mike Mangini (my #13) is another monster of a drummer and, not surprisingly, as he's been in amazing company, I think his work with DT is where he's shinning most - indeed specially in the last 2 albums, which is also amazing to see he's still evolving even more in this stage of his career.
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Well these were 2 of the three guys I was guessing were in the running for the last two spots, so now that question is answered. A little surprised [redacted] didn’t place at all given how popular his band is. That also seems to lock in the top 4.
I didn’t have either ranked, but I appreciate both drummers. I like Mangini’s work outside of DT better than in. The two Mullmuzzler albums have some tasty stuff, and the first Mike Keneally & Beer for Dolphins album is great too. He’s definitely a monster behind the kit, but he can seem a bit sterile at time.
Danny Carey was in consideration for one the last spots on my list solely on the strength of Lateralus (the only Tool album I own), which is one of the all time great drum albums. I agree about his parts being really memorable and so well planned out. I just don’t really like Tool enough to listen to him, and what I’ve heard from him outside the Tool context didn’t do a lot for me either.
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I'm no fan of Tool at all, so Carey was a no-show for me. Man Genie .... 18 I think. Yeah, he's impressive, but the albums he plays studio on for DT are a bit all over the place in how I feel about them at any given time. Except TA, I always feel the same about that album. :lol
At this point, no one should be surprised at the Top 4. The order shall be interesting.
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I know who 3 of the top 4 are, but this list has sent a lot of curve balls and surprises so I am not sure who the 4th one is anymore.
I thought a good number of people on my list were locks, but then the dude from Mastodon, Fates Warning, and Dave Lambardo showed up and threw me off.
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Brann Dailor gets accused of playing "Too many fills", but the dude can play. I remember in an interview he said that he writes his parts from a lead guitar mentality, which I think shows in his playing. 1:43 to 3:50 of this video is probably my favorite playing of his.
https://youtu.be/HBqyOZdabJA?t=104
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Mangini & Carey: 2/2
Two absolute beasts behind the kit. I had Mangini at # 8 (probably ranked too high in retrospect) and Carey at # 13. Just incredible, incredible players.
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So far, I'm only at 9 of the 22 drummers listed so far. I would imagine I've got 2 of the next 4 nailed. If I hit on all 4, that would put me at just over half of my list making the consensus list. Though I really have no idea who the the other two are beyond the obvious ones.
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25 Bill Bruford (Reasonable chance, depending.)
24 No chance in hell; there are other drummers IN HIS BAND that might, though.
23 He's either going to be in someone's top ten or not on the list, so probably won't make the final.
22 No chance. I might take some crap for this one.
21 No chance; most people won't know who he is.
20 No chance.
19 No chance (part of what will possibly be the only "father/son" pair on anyone's list)
18 No chance, due to this band being a pariah around here.
17 60-40 he makes it.
16 Probably no chance, but a crying shame. The man is a mule.
15. Slim chance; he is arguably my vote for best drummer in his genre, though there's another guy that gets all the press.
14 One of three guys from a certain band to make my list; probably won't make the final.
13 Keith Moon (90% lock)
12 100% lock
11 Slim chance; the other guy who replaced him has a better shot.
10 Should be a 100% lock; this forum? 50-50 at best.
9 Cozy Powell (I submitted my predictions AFTER this)
8 Nicko McBrain No. 11's "other guy". Should be 70-30 to make it.
7 Sadly, no chance.
6 Bill Ward (Sadly, probably no chance; he's a pale shell of his former self, but some of his early live work is incendiary.)
5 Ringo Starr (SHOULD BE 100% lock.)
4 100% lock
3 100% lock
2 Phil Collins (100% lock)
1 100% lock and my guess for Number One overall.
27: Carter Beauford
38: Lars Ulrich
NR: Danny Carey
NR: Stewart Copeland
NR: Nick D'Virgilio
NR: Brann Dailor
NR: Gene Hoglan
NR: Dave Lombardo
NR: Martin Lopez
NR: Mike Mangini
NR: Marco Minneman
NR: Blake Richardson
NR: Scott Rockenfield
NR: Alex Van Halen
NR: Mark Zonder
Danny Carey; probably should have been considered. The problem for me is that Tool is like Floyd for me; it's atmospheric music, and the sum is greater than the parts. So I don't really think of each guy as an individual, the way I do, say a Cozy Powell. The only guy to make my lists from either band is Gilmour, and he would have made it independent of Floyd (though the Floyd work certainly helped).
Mike Mangini; I hate talking about him because the conversation is always so loaded. It almost by definition devolves into a "Mike v. Mike" discussion - which I have ZERO interest in - and there are so many differing standards by which musicians are measured. FOR ME, music is visceral. I want to hear something that gives me goosebumps. The drum fills in Eleventh Earl of Mar or In The Cage Medley give me GOOSE BUMPS. I have yet to hear a Mangini fill or run that does that. Sure, it's TECHNICALLY exemplary. Technical excellence, alone, does nothing for me. I know others have argued with me on this, but IT'S MY PERCEPTION, his playing is as intrusive as not in the DT material. Every song? No, but there are too many songs where I'm listening to the music and there's 8,000 kickdrum hits underneath that just seem to overwhelm the material. NONE of this is to disparage Mike; he's at the top of his game, no doubt. I certainly RESPECT what he does, but it just does nothing for me from a visceral perspective. He wasn't even considered on my list.
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5 - Mike Mangini
6 - Danny Carey
No idea who Danny Carey is (and seeing some of the comments about him, I understand why). I had Mangini at #19. He's obviously an incredible technical drummer, but I can't say I've really enjoyed his playing the way I did with MP's playing. That's probably more a me thing than a him thing, but this countdown is about favorites, so there you have it.
25 Keith Moon (Maybe...not sure)
24 Probably not
23 I'd say 60-70% chance no
22 Ringo Starr (Probably)
21 Probably not
20 Probably not
19 Mike Mangini (90% yes)
18 Nein
17 Absolutely should be, but I'm thinking less than 50/50
16 Nope
15 Not even a little chance
14 No way, eh
13 Phil Collins (90+% yes)
12 Not a chance
11 Nope
10 Lars Ulrich (I think yes, only about 60% sure)
9 Bill Ward (Should be...75+% likely)
8 Bill Bruford (75+% likely)
7 Cozy Powell (50/50)
6 Scott Rockenfield (Hmmm...really not sure, but I think less than 50/50)
5 Same band as #8 - one of them should make it, if not both
4 Nicko McBrain (90+% yes)
3 Lock
2 Mark Zonder (Might sneak in around 21-25)
1 Lock for top 3
Not ranked: Gene Hoglan, Blake Richardson, Carter Beauford, Alex Van Halen, Martin Lopez, Stewart Copeland, Dave Lombardo, Nick D'Virgilio, Brann Dailor, Marco Minnemann, Danny Carey
As for the final four, two are solid locks. I'm still assuming there's a third guy who's a lock (although I didn't rank him) because he's at or near the top of pretty much every drummer ranking I've ever seen. I know who I want the 4th guy to be, but given that this countdown has already featured half a dozen guys I've never heard of, I'm just not sure.
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My number 1 and 5 should definitely show up. Hmm.... could be that my number 3 sneaks in. Number 8? Probably not at this stage.
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I thought I knew four of the six, with an almost certain fifth. Well, I didn't even consider these last two, so I'm at best THREE of the remaining four, and a wild guess as to the fourth. Yesterday I would have guessed that fourth is one of two, but I can't imagine that one of those is higher than Mangini, but as Adami said, there's been nothing but surprises here, so who knows?
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MM and DC were #23 and #7 on my list respectively. Both incredible and unique drummers.
The top 4 should be obvious at this point.
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Mike Mangini; I hate talking about him because the conversation is always so loaded. It almost by definition devolves into a "Mike v. Mike" discussion - which I have ZERO interest in - and there are so many differing standards by which musicians are measured. FOR ME, music is visceral. I want to hear something that gives me goosebumps. The drum fills in Eleventh Earl of Mar or In The Cage Medley give me GOOSE BUMPS. I have yet to hear a Mangini fill or run that does that. Sure, it's TECHNICALLY exemplary. Technical excellence, alone, does nothing for me. I know others have argued with me on this, but IT'S MY PERCEPTION, his playing is as intrusive as not in the DT material. Every song? No, but there are too many songs where I'm listening to the music and there's 8,000 kickdrum hits underneath that just seem to overwhelm the material. NONE of this is to disparage Mike; he's at the top of his game, no doubt. I certainly RESPECT what he does, but it just does nothing for me from a visceral perspective. He wasn't even considered on my list.
From a studio perspective, I agree about the bolded. Live, I would disagree. The three times I cared when I saw him live (I'm disregarding the TA show, because I've purged it from my memory), I've heard a lot of charm and charisma from the kit.
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Mike Mangini; I hate talking about him because the conversation is always so loaded. It almost by definition devolves into a "Mike v. Mike" discussion - which I have ZERO interest in - and there are so many differing standards by which musicians are measured. FOR ME, music is visceral. I want to hear something that gives me goosebumps. The drum fills in Eleventh Earl of Mar or In The Cage Medley give me GOOSE BUMPS. I have yet to hear a Mangini fill or run that does that. Sure, it's TECHNICALLY exemplary. Technical excellence, alone, does nothing for me. I know others have argued with me on this, but IT'S MY PERCEPTION, his playing is as intrusive as not in the DT material. Every song? No, but there are too many songs where I'm listening to the music and there's 8,000 kickdrum hits underneath that just seem to overwhelm the material. NONE of this is to disparage Mike; he's at the top of his game, no doubt. I certainly RESPECT what he does, but it just does nothing for me from a visceral perspective. He wasn't even considered on my list.
From a studio perspective, I agree about the bolded. Live, I would disagree. The three times I cared when I saw him live (I'm disregarding the TA show, because I've purged it from my memory), I've heard a lot of charm and charisma from the kit.
Yep, he's a fucking blast live, and so fun to watch.
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My initial picks for the final #1 and #2, which would have been my #2 and #3, are locks. I am confident in a third, who would make my top 10. I have no idea who the final fourth is.
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Like Paul said, "it's a me thing". And I own it. But I've seen DT four times since he's joined, and... well... I'm just not connecting. I just get a vibe of "look how hard I'm working here!" and that's not my thing.
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Like Paul said, "it's a me thing". And I own it. But I've seen DT four times since he's joined, and... well... I'm just not connecting. I just get a vibe of "look how hard I'm working here!" and that's not my thing.
Well, he's 3 feet tall and puts his cymbals into the stratosphere to make himself look like he's working that hard...
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Like Paul said, "it's a me thing". And I own it. But I've seen DT four times since he's joined, and... well... I'm just not connecting. I just get a vibe of "look how hard I'm working here!" and that's not my thing.
Well, he's 3 feet tall and puts his cymbals into the stratosphere to make himself look like he's working that hard...
And you'd think I'd relate to that! :) :) :) :)
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I don't get the sense that he's showing how hard he's working. I get the sense that what keeps him engaged and entertained WHILE drumming are things I don't connect to at all, and often involve him having to work really hard.
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Like Paul said, "it's a me thing". And I own it. But I've seen DT four times since he's joined, and... well... I'm just not connecting. I just get a vibe of "look how hard I'm working here!" and that's not my thing.
I've enjoyed his live playing more than the studio stuff simply because he does look like he's having fun. Part of my issue is that nothing since DT12 has really connected with me. Another part is the stuff I see him post that comes across as pretentious: "In this section, the band plays an 8-bar pattern in 4/4 that repeats 4 times, but I'm playing alternating patterns in 17/64 and 13/64 with my left foot and 13/64 and 17/64 with my right foot, all while playing blast beats at 1024 bpm on the ride cymbal."
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Here’s how my list is shaping up in terms of who is and isn’t on the overall list. Expecting to finish with 10, which I think is the most for any of these individual artist lists yet.
25. No
24. No
23. No
22. No
21. No
20. No
19. Bill Bruford
18. Mark Zonder
17. No
16. Marco Minnemann
15. Yes
14. No
13. No
12. Alex Van Halen
11. No
10. No
9. No
8. Carter Beauford
7. No
6. No
5. No
4. Yes
3. Phil Collins
2. Yes
1. Nick D'Virgilio
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Like Paul said, "it's a me thing". And I own it. But I've seen DT four times since he's joined, and... well... I'm just not connecting. I just get a vibe of "look how hard I'm working here!" and that's not my thing.
I've enjoyed his live playing more than the studio stuff simply because he does look like he's having fun. Part of my issue is that nothing since DT12 has really connected with me. Another part is the stuff I see him post that comes across as pretentious: "In this section, the band plays an 8-bar pattern in 4/4 that repeats 4 times, but I'm playing alternating patterns in 17/64 and 13/64 with my left foot and 13/64 and 17/64 with my right foot, all while playing blast beats at 1024 bpm on the ride cymbal."
Exactly; and I'm out at "In this section...". :) :) :)
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Like Paul said, "it's a me thing". And I own it. But I've seen DT four times since he's joined, and... well... I'm just not connecting. I just get a vibe of "look how hard I'm working here!" and that's not my thing.
I've enjoyed his live playing more than the studio stuff simply because he does look like he's having fun. Part of my issue is that nothing since DT12 has really connected with me. Another part is the stuff I see him post that comes across as pretentious: "In this section, the band plays an 8-bar pattern in 4/4 that repeats 4 times, but I'm playing alternating patterns in 17/64 and 13/64 with my left foot and 13/64 and 17/64 with my right foot, all while playing blast beats at 1024 bpm on the ride cymbal."
Why does that come across as pretentious? He's just speaking DT.
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I'm with Hef. Just music speak.
I just said that in 7/4.
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Like Paul said, "it's a me thing". And I own it. But I've seen DT four times since he's joined, and... well... I'm just not connecting. I just get a vibe of "look how hard I'm working here!" and that's not my thing.
I've enjoyed his live playing more than the studio stuff simply because he does look like he's having fun. Part of my issue is that nothing since DT12 has really connected with me. Another part is the stuff I see him post that comes across as pretentious: "In this section, the band plays an 8-bar pattern in 4/4 that repeats 4 times, but I'm playing alternating patterns in 17/64 and 13/64 with my left foot and 13/64 and 17/64 with my right foot, all while playing blast beats at 1024 bpm on the ride cymbal."
Why does that come across as pretentious? He's just speaking DT.
Pretentious probably isn't the right word, and in his defense, he is, at heart, a teacher, so it's really not as "dig me" as it comes across. Nevertheless....
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Weirdly, Mangini in DT made me appreciate Portnoy more. He's still doing lots of cool things, but it's just a bit on the mechanical side for me. I actually really like his work on Elements of Persuasion in particular though, and he does still make my honorable mentions list. His guest appearance on Annihilator's "Weapon X" is also a must hear (watch, actually, for a fun studio clip from the session).
Obviously being a #1 voter of Carey I'm continually impressed with him. I actually view him as a combination and continuation of two drummers I suspect are still to come on the list. So many cool and unique parts, the solos on songs like "46 & 2" and "The Grudge", his incorporation of pads and percussion, he's the ultimate drummer for me. His work in Volto! is also quite different and really underappreciated, a bit more on the jazz/fusion side of things. My favorite two moments of his though have to be either that tom intro to "Ticks & Leeches", or the part at 6:35 in "Eulogy". The latter was one of my favorite achievements of a part to learn to play. It's a relatively simple concept, but the way the hat pattern syncs differently each cycle was maddening to get down. Additionally, it's a joy to watch John Kew's covers of his parts on Youtube, which are fairly faithful to the originals.
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Brann Dailor gets accused of playing "Too many fills", but the dude can play. I remember in an interview he said that he writes his parts from a lead guitar mentality, which I think shows in his playing. 1:43 to 3:50 of this video is probably my favorite playing of his.
https://youtu.be/HBqyOZdabJA?t=104
This really is a great part of the song. I should really watch more of his drum playthroughs, as I can wrap my head around what he's doing that way.
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Weirdly, Mangini in DT made me appreciate Portnoy more. He's still doing lots of cool things, but it's just a bit on the mechanical side for me. I actually really like his work on Elements of Persuasion in particular though, and he does still make my honorable mentions list. His guest appearance on Annihilator's "Weapon X" is also a must hear (watch, actually, for a fun studio clip from the session).
Completely agree on Mangini. I was going to post this exact thing earlier, but then I stopped for some reason. He is a really great drummer, but a lot of it just feels very mechanical to me. I didn't submit a list, but he would have likely just made it into my 25.
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Like Paul said, "it's a me thing". And I own it. But I've seen DT four times since he's joined, and... well... I'm just not connecting. I just get a vibe of "look how hard I'm working here!" and that's not my thing.
Well, he's 3 feet tall and puts his cymbals into the stratosphere to make himself look like he's working that hard...
So true! :lol
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5 - Mike Mangini
Appeared on 18 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (Dream Team)
7 Top 10 Finishes
6 - Danny Carey
Appeared on 12 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (LithoJazzoSphere, ReaperKK, The Realm)
9 Top 10 Finishes
Danny Carey - yes my number 1 and was always going to be. However, I wasn't so sure he would make this list as I don't see many Tool fans here on the forum. Also, Maynard didn't make the top vocalists list and neither did Adam Jones for top guitarists. Awesome though that Danny made it and this high. Well done to Litho and Reaper for appreciating greatness. The guy is an absolute beast behind the kit and pretty much everything he plays is magic to my ears. I highly recommend anyone who isn't even a fan of Tool to go and see them live if you can. It is a mindblowing experience.
Mike Mangini - OK, well sorry but I am just not a fan. Not sure I would have got Mangini in my top 100 favourite drummers. Obviously he is technically amazing but there is something missing for me. DT are a shell of their former selves live with him behind the kit and his drum sound of most of the albums is very ordinary. Just not my thing.
4 drummers left, 3 are very obvious and I hope the 4th is who I think it is.
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I think 2 of the remaining 4 of 100% locks obviously. 1 is pretty much a given, but I'm drawing a blank on the 4th, but it could be a particular prog rock drummer who's yet to make an appearance (although I wouldn't be surprised if it's not Jim either).
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I think 2 of the remaining 4 of 100% locks obviously. 1 is pretty much a given, but I'm drawing a blank on the 4th, but it could be a particular prog rock drummer who's yet to make an appearance (although I wouldn't be surprised if it's not Jim either).
I doubt Jimmy Keegan makes the list.
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I think 2 of the remaining 4 of 100% locks obviously. 1 is pretty much a given, but I'm drawing a blank on the 4th, but it could be a particular prog rock drummer who's yet to make an appearance (although I wouldn't be surprised if it's not Jim either).
I think 3 are very obvious. As for the 4th I am hoping it is a prog rock drummer but we will see.
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I think 2 of the remaining 4 of 100% locks obviously. 1 is pretty much a given, but I'm drawing a blank on the 4th, but it could be a particular prog rock drummer who's yet to make an appearance (although I wouldn't be surprised if it's not Jim either).
I doubt Jimmy Keegan makes the list.
:lol
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I think 2 of the remaining 4 of 100% locks obviously. 1 is pretty much a given, but I'm drawing a blank on the 4th, but it could be a particular prog rock drummer who's yet to make an appearance (although I wouldn't be surprised if it's not Jim either).
I think 3 are very obvious. As for the 4th I am hoping it is a prog rock drummer but we will see.
3? I know 2 locks and now that Mangini is up, who am I missing?
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I think 2 of the remaining 4 of 100% locks obviously. 1 is pretty much a given, but I'm drawing a blank on the 4th, but it could be a particular prog rock drummer who's yet to make an appearance (although I wouldn't be surprised if it's not Jim either).
I think 3 are very obvious. As for the 4th I am hoping it is a prog rock drummer but we will see.
3? I know 2 locks and now that Mangini is up, who am I missing?
Don't want to spotlight or spoil but maybe just google a greatest drummers list and see if that helps jog your memory.
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Well at this point I’m seriously starting to question if I’m gonna be in the top 5.
For shame!
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I imagine that those who ranked have probably seen the Vic Firth pro-shot footage of Pneuma but if you haven't check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA
Pneuma is one of his all-time great performances (and there are many!). Amazing drummer - chops AND instantly recognizable style. He truly elevates Tool's music to a higher level.
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Well at this point I’m seriously starting to question if I’m gonna be in the top 5.
For shame!
Top 25 chocolate chip cookies thread.
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5 - Mike Mangini
Appeared on 18 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (Dream Team)
7 Top 10 Finishes
6 - Danny Carey
Appeared on 12 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (LithoJazzoSphere, ReaperKK, The Realm)
9 Top 10 Finishes
Danny Carey - yes my number 1 and was always going to be. However, I wasn't so sure he would make this list as I don't see many Tool fans here on the forum. Also, Maynard didn't make the top vocalists list and neither did Adam Jones for top guitarists. Awesome though that Danny made it and this high. Well done to Litho and Reaper for appreciating greatness. The guy is an absolute beast behind the kit and pretty much everything he plays is magic to my ears. I highly recommend anyone who isn't even a fan of Tool to go and see them live if you can. It is a mindblowing experience.
There's only 1 reason Danny Carey isn't my #1 drummer and he is still to come. He is just another of those drummers that makes their drum parts sound so musical, like they are telling a story. There's only a handful of drummers out there that I've heard that can do that, with that much feel and passion.
Mangini wasn't even considered, and now it looks like I'm going to have to eat my hat... :corn
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I think 2 of the remaining 4 of 100% locks obviously. 1 is pretty much a given, but I'm drawing a blank on the 4th, but it could be a particular prog rock drummer who's yet to make an appearance (although I wouldn't be surprised if it's not Jim either).
I think 3 are very obvious. As for the 4th I am hoping it is a prog rock drummer but we will see.
3? I know 2 locks and now that Mangini is up, who am I missing?
Don't want to spotlight or spoil but maybe just google a greatest drummers list and see if that helps jog your memory.
Right. I would think three of the remaining four would be extremely obvious. I could see someone who isn't a fan of the fourth's main band not thinking of him, but for anyone who does listen to music with him, he is a really easy and obvious choice, IMO.
This is assuming I am right about who the four are, and I am 99.9999% positive I am.
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My updated standings;
25. Lars Ulrich
24. Gene Hoglan
23. Cozy Powell
22.
21.
20.
19.
18.
17.
16.
15. Scott Rockenfield
14.
13.
12.
11.
10. Bill Ward
9.
8. Blake Richardson
7. Nicko McBrain
6.
5. Mark Zonder
4.
3.
2. Danny Carey
1. Brann Dailor
Nicko is a master and Fear Inoculum made me really take note of Danny and realise how fucking incredible he is.
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I think 2 of the remaining 4 of 100% locks obviously. 1 is pretty much a given, but I'm drawing a blank on the 4th, but it could be a particular prog rock drummer who's yet to make an appearance (although I wouldn't be surprised if it's not Jim either).
I think 3 are very obvious. As for the 4th I am hoping it is a prog rock drummer but we will see.
3? I know 2 locks and now that Mangini is up, who am I missing?
Don't want to spotlight or spoil but maybe just google a greatest drummers list and see if that helps jog your memory.
Yeah, 2 should be absolute no-brainers. The third is always high on general drumming lists and from what I've seen has a sizeable following here. The other is more specific to the type of forum this is and also is part of a band with a strong fanbase here.
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25. Keith Moon I think this maniac will be picked
24. Dirty chance he'll make it
23. Pretty sure you'd say "who"?
22. I miss this guy. Wish he was still with us. Not gonna make it here. :'(
21. This weirdo won't make it. 40 years and 14 studio albums with the same original quartet+. Impressive stuff.
20. Carter Beauford A unique cat whose style is highly revered in drumming circles. Not sure here though.
19. Larz Huge name. Guaranteed pick.
18. Spicy lefty. He has a shot.
17. Martin Lopez In 2005, a no-brainer to be on here. Today. Maybe?
16. Probably won't be here. It's a crime.
15. 100% this monster's here.
14. Alex Van Halen Brother of a legend on one of our other lists. Won't be surprised if he makes this list.
13. Groove metal master. Won't make the list though.
12. Another real cool cat. A rock player with a huge jazz background. I'm gonna say he won't be named here.
11. Stewart Copeland Classic rocker who's very likely.
10. Blake Richardson Also very likely but not a classic rocker.
9. Liked him before, but since the band's 3rd release in 93 I have loved his playing. Not going to make the list.
8. Danny Carey He started further down my list. But the more I thought about it, his talent and style make him absolutely unique. Probably.
7. Nicko McBrain This forum? Of course.
6. Nick D'Virgilio Prog dude. Pretty sure he'll be here.
5. Brann Dailor Not sure on him. Highly respected, but not sure how well his name is known outside the drumming community.
4. Second one on my list who's known by a nickname. (My first draft had three). Not going to be named here.
3. Ringo For sure. Legend
2. I've thought mostly highly and sometimes low of this guy. He's still my number 2 basher though.
1. The master
27. Mike Mangini
28. Phil Collins
29. Dave Lombardo
42. Bill Ward
12/22. Yup, looking like I'll be 15/26 in the end. If not, I'll be shocked but I won't eat my hat.
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I think 2 of the remaining 4 of 100% locks obviously. 1 is pretty much a given, but I'm drawing a blank on the 4th, but it could be a particular prog rock drummer who's yet to make an appearance (although I wouldn't be surprised if it's not Jim either).
I think 3 are very obvious. As for the 4th I am hoping it is a prog rock drummer but we will see.
3? I know 2 locks and now that Mangini is up, who am I missing?
Don't want to spotlight or spoil but maybe just google a greatest drummers list and see if that helps jog your memory.
Yeah I'm pretty sure I know who but I'm surprised that high. If its who I think it is. Its safe to say 2 100% guaranteed. I can't wait to see the rest.
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I think 2 of the remaining 4 of 100% locks obviously. 1 is pretty much a given, but I'm drawing a blank on the 4th, but it could be a particular prog rock drummer who's yet to make an appearance (although I wouldn't be surprised if it's not Jim either).
I think 3 are very obvious. As for the 4th I am hoping it is a prog rock drummer but we will see.
3? I know 2 locks and now that Mangini is up, who am I missing?
Don't want to spotlight or spoil but maybe just google a greatest drummers list and see if that helps jog your memory.
Yeah I'm pretty sure I know who but I'm surprised that high. If its who I think it is. Its safe to say 2 100% guaranteed. I can't wait to see the rest.
Really? I think the 3 obvious drummers still to come were always going to be the top 3 overall.
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2/2 for me today
3 - Gavin Harrison
Appeared on 18 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (BRGM)
15 Top 10 Finishes
Also kind of surprised that Gavin made it so high. He was number 3 on my list and is one of my favorite drummers. Amazing touch, feel, and consistent drummer. Watching the making of In Absentia it really cool to learn how few takes it took Gavin to record the drums.
4 - John Bonham
Appeared on 21 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (hefdaddy42)
11 Top 10 Finishes
Not surprised John made the list but surprised at how highly ranked he made it here. Personally I think he is my favorite part of Led Zeppelin. A bombastic player that is gone far too soon. I would've loved hearing how he developed over the years.
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Oh okay. Gavin was the one I wasn’t sure about. John was obvious. But glad both made it!
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Yep, yep, these were no-brainers for me to place very high.
Even though Gavin can drive me a little bonkers at times with his tendency to overplay live, he is still pretty damn awesome. Anesthetize alone is a tour de force of drumming greatness. I ranked him 4th.
Bonham I ranked 5th. Just listen to When the Levee Breaks and The Ocean if you have any doubt as to his greatness.
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25 Bill Bruford (Reasonable chance, depending.)
24 No chance in hell; there are other drummers IN HIS BAND that might, though.
23 He's either going to be in someone's top ten or not on the list, so probably won't make the final.
22 No chance. I might take some crap for this one.
21 No chance; most people won't know who he is.
20 No chance.
19 No chance (part of what will possibly be the only "father/son" pair on anyone's list)
18 No chance, due to this band being a pariah around here.
17 60-40 he makes it.
16 Probably no chance, but a crying shame. The man is a mule.
15. Slim chance; he is arguably my vote for best drummer in his genre, though there's another guy that gets all the press.
14 One of three guys from a certain band to make my list; probably won't make the final.
13 Keith Moon (90% lock)
12 100% lock
11 Slim chance; the other guy who replaced him has a better shot.
10 Should be a 100% lock; this forum? 50-50 at best.
9 Cozy Powell (I submitted my predictions AFTER this)
8 Nicko McBrain No. 11's "other guy". Should be 70-30 to make it.
7 Sadly, no chance.
6 Bill Ward (Sadly, probably no chance; he's a pale shell of his former self, but some of his early live work is incendiary.)
5 Ringo Starr (SHOULD BE 100% lock.)
4 100% lock
3 John Bonham (100% lock)
2 Phil Collins (100% lock)
1 100% lock and my guess for Number One overall.
27: Carter Beauford
38: Lars Ulrich
NR: Danny Carey
NR: Stewart Copeland
NR: Nick D'Virgilio
NR: Brann Dailor
NR: Gavin Harrison
NR: Gene Hoglan
NR: Dave Lombardo
NR: Martin Lopez
NR: Mike Mangini
NR: Marco Minneman
NR: Blake Richardson
NR: Scott Rockenfield
NR: Alex Van Halen
NR: Mark Zonder
Bonham is the man. It's undeniable. Big fan.
Gavin Harrison... never even considered. Actually kind of bummed he's this high. I feel like there are three or four guys that deserve that spot.
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Had both, and was sure they'd be on the list.
Bonham (#21)- Absolute legend, and the biggest sounding drums in the business. Probably the only thing that kept him from being higher on my list was I'm just not a massive Zeppelin fan.
Harrison (#8)- He has the most stunning flow to his playing of pretty much every drummer on my list except maybe #18, the way he rolls from one part of the music to another is so sublime and so brilliant. To double back on Kev's statement, Anesthetize is one of my top 5 drumming songs, just a fucking masterpiece.
Well, I don't think any of us doubt the top 2, just who places where. Unlike the guitar list, I honestly don't think the house drummer is a shoe-in for the #1 spot.
25- Alex Van Halen Should be there
24- Nope
23- Mayyybeee
22- Definitely not, and a damn shame too
21- John Bonham (Lock)
20- Should make the list
19- Danny Carey (Lock)
18- They'd be on everyone's list if they heard them
17- Blake Richardson (Yeah)
16- Probably
15- Bill Bruford (Lock)
14- Might make it, definitely worthy
13- Unfortunately no
12- Mike Mangini (Lock)
11- Another unfortunately no
10- Lock
9- Not too sure...we'll see
8- Gavin Harrison (Lock)
7- Lock
6- No, and I hate you all that they won't make it
5- Marco Minneman (Lock)
4- See #6, multiply by 1000
3- Keith Moon(Yeah)
2- Lock
1- Lock
Not Listed-
Gene Hoglan
Cozy Powell
Bill Ward
Carter Beuford
Martin Lopez
Mark Zonder
Scott Rockenfield
Stewart Copeland
Lars Ulrich
Dave Lombardo
Ringo Star
Nick D'Virgilio
Brann Dailor
Phil Colins
Nicko McBrain
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Bonhamn was 19 fir me. 1st drummer that sounded "heavy" to me. He was so powerful.
Gavin was my # 2. His fills are legendary.
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So recently I recorded drums for my new album (IT'S REAL STADLER!). For months prior to the album, I was watching and listening to a ton of Gavin for inspiration. Granted, it'd be like Kurt Cobain listening to Petrucci for inspiration....you're only going to notice so much of it, but the dude just changed the way I see drums. I have him at number 3 but he could one day get higher and almost placed 2.
Also while recording, the engineer at one point said my drumming was giving him a Bonham vibe, and boy that was a compliment of the highest order. Granted, there was an irony that I intentionally recorded 99% of the album with a single kick pedal and he only compared me to Bonham after I added the double bass, but still. Warmed my covid riddled heart.
I don't have my master list on me right now, so I'm not 100% where Bonham landed, so I will edit it when I get home if I got it wrong.
25. Should be top 10 but won't cause y'all suck
24. A real reach for favorite but whatever, won't make the list anyway
23. Obvious choice. (Alex Van Halen)
22. Won't be surprised either way with this one
21. Probably gonna make the final list? Maybe?
20. Will definitely make the list
19. Not a chance, but should be if we're including metal drummers
18. Probably not, but who knows?
17. Not a chance, but an early influence on my rock/metal groove style
16. Not a chance in hell and that's fine
15. No way Jose.
14. Higher chance that Stadler votes for Hillary
13. Obviously will make collective top 5. (John Bonham)
12. Maybe? Out of touch with forum on this stuff
11. Not gonna happen
10. Probably will make the final list
9. Lock for top 20 (Marco Miniman)
8. It's a crime this guy is so unknown and therefore won't make the list
7. Nah, cause liking his band used to mean you got made fun of
6. Possible? But unlikely.
5. This is the collective forum's favorite drummer.....to poop on! (Lars Ulrich)
4. Better be in the top 10. BETTER BE!
3. Kev won't be voting for this guy, but I imagine he'll rank high (Gavin Harrison)
2. Too obvious
1. Also super obviously in the top 5.
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Had Gavin at number 3. Was hoping that Gavin would show up but not certain.
Such a fantastic player both with Porcupine tree and The Pineapple Thief.
But what really cemented my love for him was seeing him with King Crimson, knowing that he did all the arrangements for the three drummer set up.
Should probably have figured out that Bonham would be the forth drummer but as I'm not a hug LZ fan I did not rank him.
25 highly likely
24 no way
23 Phil Collins - probably
22 no chance
21 slight possibility
20 Stewart Copeland - possible
19 slight possibility
18 doubt it, but he should
17 Nick D'Virgilio - possible
16 probably not
15 possible
14 Marco Minnemann - possible
13 sadly not a chance
12 doubt it
11 no way in hell
10 Mike Mangini - definitely
9 possible
8 possible
7 Bill Bruford - possible
6 sadly not a chance
5 definitely
4 Danny Carey - definitely
3 Gavin Harrison - high probability
2 sadly I don't think he will make but he should
1 Locked in here....
Not ranked:
Gene Hoglan
Cozy Powell
Blake Richardson
Bill Ward
Carter Beauford
Alex Van Halen
Scott Rockenfield
Lars Ulrich
Dave Lombardo
Keith Moon
Ringo Starr
Brann Dailor
Nicko McBrain
John Bonham
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Nice! 2/2 today.
I had Gavin at # 21, but he probably could have been higher. Definitely one of my absolute favorite living, active drummers. So tasteful in his approach.
I had Bonham at # 1. For me, it all starts with Bonzo, the greatest and most influential drummer of the greatest age of rock music.
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I had Gavin at #3. His combination of groove and technique is exactly what I didn't know I needed in my life. Him joining Porcupine Tree really elevated the band. I could listen to him all day and never get tired of it. And his drum sound is basically the sound I try to get from my own kit. Interesting trivia, his drum books from the early to mid 90's were a big influence on the drumming for the double trio version of King Crimson. Pretty cool that he ended up in King Crimson's triple drummer lineup.
Bonham came in at 21 for me. No doubt one of the greatest drummers of all time. The "When The Levee Breaks" groove is one of the most sampled grooves of all time, probably second only to the Amen break. The drum sounds from that intro have appeared on songs by Bjork and Tears For Fears as well. People talk about Page and Plant all the time, but Bonham and John Paul Jones were the real MVPs of Zeppelin.
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Both ranked top 5 for me. Bonzo ( and Joey Castillo…) were the reasons I bought a kit and tried learning drums, about 20 years ago.
I give up/ restart every five years or so- I’m really a guitar player.
Harrison only came on my radar about 3 years ago, and rapidly became a favourite.
Not just because of his performances, but he really gives a lot to the fans. On one of the drum forums he replies personally to plenty of posts about technique etc. I think he’s a good bloke.
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Was confident these two would be revealed today. I didn’t rank Bonham, though I certainly respect his playing and influence. Just not a massive fan of the LZ and don’t listen to that much of Bonham’s playing. Though I certainly have heard lots of it through the years. He was a great player though, with a very distinct feel that is often imitated, maybe not so much replicated.
Gavin was my number 15, and seemed a shoe-in to finish highly on the list. I think he’s incredible, definitely has a unique and identifiable sound, and easily the best part of the Porcupine Tree albums he plays on. I also enjoyed his contributions to King Crimson, and he’s very good on the Lo-Fi Resistance (Randy McStine) album Chalk Lines. Another I really like is Gleb Kolyadin’s (Iamthemorning) solo album. I love all of the ghost notes he plays with, and just how fluid and musical his grooves are. He makes fast and complex sing, which not everyone can.
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I figured I knew who 3 of the 4 remaining ones would be, but I totally blacked out on Gavin being the missing one for me.
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Thanks to Reaper and others for the info on Danny Carey's other work. They're pretty cool, what I've heard so far.
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Gavin is kind the Carter Beauford of prog, he has a busy/complex style, but also extremely beatiful and melodic - those toms and five custom bells :hefdaddy :heart (my #5 ).
John Bonham is a well deserved legend in rock. In his relatively short live and career he made an enormous impact on the style of almost every rock drummer since him. There's always talk about the heaviness of his drumming, but what always stood out to me was the great and very creative groove patterns he always did (my#19).
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the top 2 are obvious.
No Billy Cobham, no Paul Wertico?..yep.
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Billy is on my list. Glad to see another.
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the top 2 are obvious.
No Billy Cobham, no Paul Wertico?..yep.
Yup, so many brilliant players will be left on the sidelines. And again, just like with the guitarists, not a single female, which is a shame since there are so many worthy (Karen Carpenter, Meg White, Senri Kawaguchi, Sarah Thawer, Sheila E., Holly Madge, Murata Tamu...I could go on and on)
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Meg White?
I admit to only know her from what little I've seen of The White Stripes but I didn't see much impressive there.
Then again my list had Phil Rudd.
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Cobham is definitely on my list.
Also a shame that a couple of guys named Porcaro and Colaiuta haven't appeared. I have other jazz players on my list, but I thought there was a decent chance that those two would have appeared. I guess they aren't metal enough.
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Cobham is definitely on my list.
Also a shame that a couple of guys named Porcaro and Colaiuta haven't appeared. I have other jazz players on my list, but I thought there was a decent chance that those two would have appeared. I guess they aren't metal enough.
I have Colaiuta on my list!
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My two jazz submissions were both Japanese of course lol, a teacher and his student.
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Cobham is definitely on my list.
Also a shame that a couple of guys named Porcaro and Colaiuta haven't appeared. I have other jazz players on my list, but I thought there was a decent chance that those two would have appeared. I guess they aren't metal enough.
They are on my list.
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Cobham is definitely on my list.
Also a shame that a couple of guys named Porcaro and Colaiuta haven't appeared. I have other jazz players on my list, but I thought there was a decent chance that those two would have appeared. I guess they aren't metal enough.
Porcaro is on my list
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3 - Gavin Harrison
4 - John Bonham
Ok...well. A guy in the top 3 I've never heard of.
As for Bonham, I didn't rank him. He's always at/near the top of every "greatest drummers of all time" ranking, but I don't really see it. He was really good, but I never heard anything special. Maybe that's just because Zeppelin has always been a 50/50 band for me. I'm not surprised to see him on the list but am a little surprised to see him in the top 4 in a forum like this.
25 Keith Moon (Maybe...not sure)
24 Probably not
23 I'd say 60-70% chance no
22 Ringo Starr (Probably)
21 Probably not
20 Probably not
19 Mike Mangini (90% yes)
18 Nein
17 Absolutely should be, but I'm thinking less than 50/50
16 Nope
15 Not even a little chance
14 No way, eh
13 Phil Collins (90+% yes)
12 Not a chance
11 Nope
10 Lars Ulrich (I think yes, only about 60% sure)
9 Bill Ward (Should be...75+% likely)
8 Bill Bruford (75+% likely)
7 Cozy Powell (50/50)
6 Scott Rockenfield (Hmmm...really not sure, but I think less than 50/50)
5 Same band as #8 - one of them should make it, if not both
4 Nicko McBrain (90+% yes)
3 Lock
2 Mark Zonder (Might sneak in around 21-25)
1 Lock for top 3
Not ranked: Gene Hoglan, Blake Richardson, Carter Beauford, Alex Van Halen, Martin Lopez, Stewart Copeland, Dave Lombardo, Nick D'Virgilio, Brann Dailor, Marco Minnemann, Danny Carey, John Bonham, Gavin Harrison
The top 2 are plainly obvious, and are my numbers 1 and 3. I'll finish 13/26, which is about what I predicted. Sad that my #5 won't make the list at all. Given all the talk I see around here, I'm a little surprised that no one outside the rock/metal/prog genres made it.
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Your #5 is my #7
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As a drummer myself, this has been fun to read so thank you to all that have participated.
Knowing who the remaining 2 are, my biggest surprise omission was Thomas Lang. Was introduced to him through the DT auditions and he has become one of my favorites to watch.
Thanks again for organizing this!
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As a drummer myself, this has been fun to read so thank you to all that have participated.
Knowing who the remaining 2 are, my biggest surprise omission was Thomas Lang. Was introduced to him through the DT auditions and he has become one of my favorites to watch.
Thanks again for organizing this!
Thomas Lang is my #2 and he's unbelievable. Nobody has limb independence and musicality like him. It's the only of my fave drummers that doesn't have a extense discography attached to him (at least that I listen to), although I really know and like many albums that he plays on. But, what he does on his Prog Pop album is out of this world. You must see it to believe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlvbY6DToPs&list=PLlY9td6qP9cjBsSZBDRV9YgPhwNpNv8GT
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Yea the lack of Lang is interesting, probably because he's not really known for any bands and everyone listed is a band drummer for the most part.
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That probably influenced my lack of including him. He's definitely an incredibly talented drummer, but I can't point to any great music that he's created.
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That probably influenced my lack of including him. He's definitely an incredibly talented drummer, but I can't point to any great music that he's created.
Totally fair. He was 4 for me I believe, but I don't own a single album he's done.
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No Tony or Elvin either. Or Tomas Haake!
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No surprise on these two, afaic. I'm not a fan of the bands Gavin beats for, but do know that he's universally adored around here.
Bonzo ... there no question in my mind he should have been in the Top 5, I just wasn't entirely sure he would be. #3 on my list.
I'm not entirely sure the two coming tomorrow will be a surprise - and imo, the order shouldn't be a surprise. Though, it might be!
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Yea the lack of Lang is interesting, probably because he's not really known for any bands and everyone listed is a band drummer for the most part.
I know who Lang is, but have never really listened to anything he’s been involved in. Did he play for Bryan Adams?
The shocker to me (apologies if this is spotlighting but I don’t think so at this point) is that the guy from Haken (don’t even know his name off the top of my head) didn’t make it at all. I only know Affinity, but he’s pretty amazing on that one and I know there are lots of Haken fans on this forum.
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I'm not entirely sure the two coming tomorrow will be a surprise - and imo, the order shouldn't be a surprise. Though, it might be!
I honestly think it'll be quite close. I'd gather they both appear on pretty much everyone's list, and are probably top 5 on everyone's list too. I mean, I know they're my 1-2...
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the top 2 are obvious.
No Billy Cobham, no Paul Wertico?..yep.
Yup, so many brilliant players will be left on the sidelines. And again, just like with the guitarists, not a single female, which is a shame since there are so many worthy (Karen Carpenter, Meg White, Senri Kawaguchi, Sarah Thawer, Sheila E., Holly Madge, Murata Tamu...I could go on and on)
I have Sheila E number 2! and Buddy Rich at 1
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I'm not entirely sure the two coming tomorrow will be a surprise - and imo, the order shouldn't be a surprise. Though, it might be!
I honestly think it'll be quite close. I'd gather they both appear on pretty much everyone's list, and are probably top 5 on everyone's list too. I mean, I know they're my 1-2...
Agree. I won't be surprised by either order.
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I'm not entirely sure the two coming tomorrow will be a surprise - and imo, the order shouldn't be a surprise. Though, it might be!
I honestly think it'll be quite close. I'd gather they both appear on pretty much everyone's list, and are probably top 5 on everyone's list too. I mean, I know they're my 1-2...
Agree. I won't be surprised by either order.
I would be shocked if the order wasn't "respectful" to the obvious of the 2.
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the top 2 are obvious.
No Billy Cobham, no Paul Wertico?..yep.
Yup, so many brilliant players will be left on the sidelines. And again, just like with the guitarists, not a single female, which is a shame since there are so many worthy (Karen Carpenter, Meg White, Senri Kawaguchi, Sarah Thawer, Sheila E., Holly Madge, Murata Tamu...I could go on and on)
I have Sheila E number 2! and Buddy Rich at 1
Sheila is absolutely amazing.
Cool, at least the women won't be completely snubbed this time around like they were for the guitarists list. Pretty sure I was the only one that had them represented.
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Cobham is definitely on my list.
Also a shame that a couple of guys named Porcaro and Colaiuta haven't appeared. I have other jazz players on my list, but I thought there was a decent chance that those two would have appeared. I guess they aren't metal enough.
I have Colaiuta on my list!
This seems excessively salty. Even guys who would most likely be considered "metal enough" like Tomas Haake, Scott Travis, Vinnie Paul, Hellhammer, Charlie Benante and the like didn't make it. Only so many names can fit in a top 25, and I imagine some of these glaring omissions will probably be just a little outside of it. But yeah, jazz/fusion isn't that popular here. I have Cobham, Colaiuta and various others on my own list or on the honorable mentions section.
Yea the lack of Lang is interesting, probably because he's not really known for any bands and everyone listed is a band drummer for the most part.
Except that he's done some higher profile work, like Arch/Matheos, John Wetton, Paul Gilbert, Ostura, Eric Gillette, and others. But he is more of a mercenary type player, which probably makes it harder for people to get attached to him. But even players like Virgil Donati and Peter Wildoer who were also in the auditions, have directly worked more with DT members, and have had longer running bands didn't make it either, so if even they didn't, seeing Lang would have been more surprising.
Yup, so many brilliant players will be left on the sidelines. And again, just like with the guitarists, not a single female, which is a shame since there are so many worthy (Karen Carpenter, Meg White, Senri Kawaguchi, Sarah Thawer, Sheila E., Holly Madge, Murata Tamu...I could go on and on)
Kind of like some of the other names, I just don't see how when dozens and dozens of high profile rock/metal/prog guys were left off as it is how the people on this list would even have a chance. If someone like Raymond Hearne (Haken's drummer), who is the long-time member of a band with an active 20-page thread on the first page here and arguably the quintessential modern prog metal band, can't make the list, how could more obscure names? For example, I've seen some of Thawer's playing on Youtube and it's impressive, particularly since I'm fascinated by Indian music, but when you look up the list of artists she's played with, it's almost exclusively artists I've never even heard of, and I've heard quite a lot of music. I did have one woman on my own list though, and plenty of others I like, but the competition is just too strong at the top to break through. For every killer female drummer, there are probably 100x guys, and unfortunately it's a numbers game at that point.
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There are some good female drummers, no doubt, but I can't think of any off the top of my head that I would rank ahead of any of the guys on my list.
This seems excessively salty.
Nah, it's all good. It is what it is.
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I don't *think* I have an album in my collection featuring a female drummer, but I might be overlooking one. Not taking anything away from the many talented women who play drums (I know there are some. One of Prince's recent drummers, Hannah Welton, is really good. But I only know her from YouTube), they just don't happen to be in my sphere of music listening with any frequency.
Also as far as snubs, I'm interested to see the full list, because there's a big difference between someone not making the top 25 and not being listed by anyone. Lots of these apparent snubs may just be top 50 rather than top 25 in a list with like 300 drummers if I recall right.
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No Tony or Elvin either. Or Tomas Haake!
I had Haake. He's a monster!
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Shocked as fuck Mikkey Dee or Tommy Aldridge didn't make it.
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Shocked as fuck Mikkey Dee or Tommy Aldridge didn't make it.
I'm sure we're all shocked at least 5 people on each of our lists didn't make it and that somehow the dude from Mastodon did.
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Yeah, I think we're really just arguing over the order more than anything else. 25 is just an arbitrary cutoff point, if it had been the top 100 there'd probably be a bit less complaining about complete snubs.
Brann Dailor isn't just some random dude though, Mastodon has been one of the flagship prog bands for quite some time, and he's regularly featured in Modern Drummer magazine and such.
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Shocked as fuck Mikkey Dee or Tommy Aldridge didn't make it.
I'm sure we're all shocked at least 5 people on each of our lists didn't make it and that somehow the dude from Mastodon did.
I guess I shouldn't be shocked. The diversity here is what makes it special. I have monsters like Bobby Jarzombek, Scott Travis, and Tomas Haake on my list.
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I have to possible and one highly likely that won't make the cut.... but I'm more inclinedcto feel bad for my nr two who I saw live the other day and still feel should be here but 'sadly I don't think he will make but he should'.
Awesome drummer, so fun to watch.... just oozes of joy behind the drums. And his patys are soo tasty...
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Oh, and on the drummers of the day, I respect Bonham's influence and legacy, but I'm just a very casual Led Zeppelin fan, so he had no chance on my list.
Gavin though, is #6 on my list. PT really jumped a level when he joined. Grooves like "The Sound of Muzak" are so tasty. He's another player that pretty much has it all, though his insistence on pretty much never playing more than two bass drum hits in a row might be a bit excessive.
6/24, will almost assuredly end up 8/26.
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Yup, so many brilliant players will be left on the sidelines. And again, just like with the guitarists, not a single female, which is a shame since there are so many worthy (Karen Carpenter, Meg White, Senri Kawaguchi, Sarah Thawer, Sheila E., Holly Madge, Murata Tamu...I could go on and on)
Kind of like some of the other names, I just don't see how when dozens and dozens of high profile rock/metal/prog guys were left off as it is how the people on this list would even have a chance. If someone like Raymond Hearne (Haken's drummer), who is the long-time member of a band with an active 20-page thread on the first page here and arguably the quintessential modern prog metal band, can't make the list, how could more obscure names? For example, I've seen some of Thawer's playing on Youtube and it's impressive, particularly since I'm fascinated by Indian music, but when you look up the list of artists she's played with, it's almost exclusively artists I've never even heard of, and I've heard quite a lot of music. I did have one woman on my own list though, and plenty of others I like, but the competition is just too strong at the top to break through. For every killer female drummer, there are probably 100x guys, and unfortunately it's a numbers game at that point.
I totally get how they don't make the list, but how barely any will even get a mention speaks to how tilted the scales still are when it comes to female musicians and their prominence, and not just here but in general(pretty sure I was the only person to have a female guitarist on my list). The tides are turning a bit, with bands like The Warning and Plush really pushing the envelope of how an all female band can make big waves in rock/metal. And especially here, where I think we have under 5 active female forum members anyways lol.
I'm actually shocked Ray didn't hit the list at all.
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But Lonestar, there's not a single band I listen to, or have ever listened to that has a female drummer.
And if The Warning is the best a female band can get, that ain't gonna change anytime soon.
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I had a female guitarist on my list.
Didn't have any female drummers on my list though. I don't happen to listen to a ton of bands with female drummers and while I've seen a number of very impressive female drummers on youtube, none of them really did much to inspire me or anything. Of course this is also the case of TONS of male drummers too.
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The Female Jap bands that Lonestar has been pimping pretty hard all have very impressive drummers, but the only band that I can get through an entire album is Lovebites.
I'm just not sure why after being a music fan of 40+ years that a female drummer is suddenly going to appear on a list of just 25 of my all time favorite drummers.
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I totally get how they don't make the list, but how barely any will even get a mention speaks to how tilted the scales still are when it comes to female musicians and their prominence, and not just here but in general(pretty sure I was the only person to have a female guitarist on my list). The tides are turning a bit, with bands like The Warning and Plush really pushing the envelope of how an all female band can make big waves in rock/metal. And especially here, where I think we have under 5 active female forum members anyways lol.
This isn't really the place to get into the social and political reasons for and history of it, but I think it's just a fact that the number of female professional drummers is relatively small. Even compared to guitarists, bassists, keyboardists, and especially vocalists. Notice that the vocalist countdown, while still heavily slanted, at least had a few names and a fair number more past the 25 mark. You can't really vote for band members that don't exist, and I don't even think it's like there's a mega-popular prog band who we're overlooking, there are just relatively few out to even listen to, you pretty much have to go digging. I have some stuff for your upcoming roulette though...
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Cobham is definitely on my list.
Also a shame that a couple of guys named Porcaro and Colaiuta haven't appeared. I have other jazz players on my list, but I thought there was a decent chance that those two would have appeared. I guess they aren't metal enough.
Porcaro is another. The guy was a genius. If my wife, who doesn't pay attention to drums much at all can recognize how good he was, he highly stands out.
The guy's resume is ridiculous.
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But Lonestar, there's not a single band I listen to, or have ever listened to that has a female drummer.
And if The Warning is the best a female band can get, that ain't gonna change anytime soon.
Lovebites
Band Maid
Just to name two bands I know you enjoy on some level
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But Lonestar, there's not a single band I listen to, or have ever listened to that has a female drummer.
And if The Warning is the best a female band can get, that ain't gonna change anytime soon.
Lovebites
Band Maid
Just to name two bands I know you enjoy on some level
The Female Jap bands that Lonestar has been pimping pretty hard all have very impressive drummers, but the only band that I can get through an entire album is Lovebites.
:P
I actually really like Lovebites. I listened to their latest album the other day.
The female drummers in these bands are fantastic. It's one thing to play the drums in a rock band, but I think these girls channels some powerful drumming chops.
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But Lonestar, there's not a single band I listen to, or have ever listened to that has a female drummer.
And if The Warning is the best a female band can get, that ain't gonna change anytime soon.
Lovebites
Band Maid
Just to name two bands I know you enjoy on some level
The Female Jap bands that Lonestar has been pimping pretty hard all have very impressive drummers, but the only band that I can get through an entire album is Lovebites.
:P
I actually really like Lovebites. I listened to their latest album the other day.
The female drummers in these bands are fantastic. It's one thing to play the drums in a rock band, but I think these girls channels some powerful drumming chops.
Japanese drummers are so talented across the board, there are probably a dozen more I didn't list on top of the 3 I did, just cause of the prominence of male drummers in my music life. I wasn't trying to start a brazen discussion about this, just was pointing out how little of a mark females have made in the industry over all the years, and how male dominated it is. Shit, if it wasn't for my recent foray into Japanese music, I'd probably only have Senri on my list.
Just on a side note Tim...you are aware that 'Jap' is considered an offensive racial slur, right? You may want to consider dropping it from your lexicon.
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Just on a side note Tim...you are aware that 'Jap' is considered an offensive racial slur, right? You may want to consider dropping it from your lexicon.
It's a racial slur? Really. It's an abbreviation. And I was being complimentary.
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Just on a side note Tim...you are aware that 'Jap' is considered an offensive racial slur, right? You may want to consider dropping it from your lexicon.
It's a racial slur? Really. It's an abbreviation. And I was being complimentary.
I know you weren't using g it that way, but yeah, it totally is.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap)
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Just on a side note Tim...you are aware that 'Jap' is considered an offensive racial slur, right? You may want to consider dropping it from your lexicon.
It's a racial slur? Really. It's an abbreviation. And I was being complimentary.
I know you weren't using g it that way, but yeah, it totally is.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap)
Oh boy!
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But Lonestar, there's not a single band I listen to, or have ever listened to that has a female drummer.
And if The Warning is the best a female band can get, that ain't gonna change anytime soon.
The Iron Maidens? :neverusethis:
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Just on a side note Tim...you are aware that 'Jap' is considered an offensive racial slur, right? You may want to consider dropping it from your lexicon.
It's a racial slur? Really. It's an abbreviation. And I was being complimentary.
I know you weren't using g it that way, but yeah, it totally is.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap)
Oh boy!
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/71/76/aa/7176aa96a84700285fade9e6fd5e92e6.gif)
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But Lonestar, there's not a single band I listen to, or have ever listened to that has a female drummer.
And if The Warning is the best a female band can get, that ain't gonna change anytime soon.
The Iron Maidens? :neverusethis:
Hah. Not interested.
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But Lonestar, there's not a single band I listen to, or have ever listened to that has a female drummer.
And if The Warning is the best a female band can get, that ain't gonna change anytime soon.
The Iron Maidens? :neverusethis:
Eh, they used to have Nita Strauss and still have Courtney Cox on guitar, not a bad group of players to hang your hat with.
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Just on a side note Tim...you are aware that 'Jap' is considered an offensive racial slur, right? You may want to consider dropping it from your lexicon.
It's a racial slur? Really. It's an abbreviation. And I was being complimentary.
:lol
I know you weren't using g it that way, but yeah, it totally is.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap)
Oh boy!
The more you know
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Just on a side note Tim...you are aware that 'Jap' is considered an offensive racial slur, right? You may want to consider dropping it from your lexicon.
It's a racial slur? Really. It's an abbreviation. And I was being complimentary.
:lol
I know you weren't using g it that way, but yeah, it totally is.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap)
Oh boy!
The more you know
...the less I remember. :lol
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I don't *think* I have an album in my collection featuring a female drummer
I have at least three. A Carpenters compilation album, a Bangles compilation album, and Doll Revolution by the Bangles. I know Karen Carpenter's name got mentioned earlier, and I've seen clips where she did drum solos that demonstrated real proficiency on the kit, but did any of that come through on actual Carpenters recordings? Not any I've heard, and those bits and pieces certainly aren't vaulting her ahead of (or anywhere near) anyone I had on my list. Nor did Debbi Peterson even sniff the top 25.
Pau Villareal? Nah. Linda McDonald? No one who's basically just a tribute band player is gonna make it for me.
Shocked as fuck Mikkey Dee or Tommy Aldridge didn't make it.
I'm sure we're all shocked at least 5 people on each of our lists didn't make it and that somehow the dude from Mastodon did.
I guess I shouldn't be shocked. The diversity here is what makes it special. I have monsters like Bobby Jarzombek, Scott Travis, and Tomas Haake on my list.
Aldridge came in at #25 on my original Ranking Engine results, but I moved the #26 guy to #24, which resulted in Aldridge narrowly missing the list.
Eh, they used to have Nita Strauss and still have Courtney Cox on guitar, not a bad group of players to hang your hat with.
Courteney Cox >> Courtney Cox (although I'm not factoring in guitar skills). :coolio
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Meg White?
I admit to only know her from what little I've seen of The White Stripes but I didn't see much impressive there.
Then again my list had Phil Rudd.
I had Phil Rudd too.
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I don't *think* I have an album in my collection featuring a female drummer
I have at least three. A Carpenters compilation album, a Bangles compilation album, and Doll Revolution by the Bangles. I know Karen Carpenter's name got mentioned earlier, and I've seen clips where she did drum solos that demonstrated real proficiency on the kit, but did any of that come through on actual Carpenters recordings? Not any I've heard, and those bits and pieces certainly aren't vaulting her ahead of (or anywhere near) anyone I had on my list. Nor did Debbi Peterson even sniff the top 25.
Pau Villareal? Nah. Linda McDonald? No one who's basically just a tribute band player is gonna make it for me.
Shocked as fuck Mikkey Dee or Tommy Aldridge didn't make it.
I'm sure we're all shocked at least 5 people on each of our lists didn't make it and that somehow the dude from Mastodon did.
I guess I shouldn't be shocked. The diversity here is what makes it special. I have monsters like Bobby Jarzombek, Scott Travis, and Tomas Haake on my list.
Aldridge came in at #25 on my original Ranking Engine results, but I moved the #26 guy to #24, which resulted in Aldridge narrowly missing the list.
Eh, they used to have Nita Strauss and still have Courtney Cox on guitar, not a bad group of players to hang your hat with.
Courteney Cox >> Courtney Cox (although I'm not factoring in guitar skills). :coolio
But Lonestar, there's not a single band I listen to, or have ever listened to that has a female drummer.
And if The Warning is the best a female band can get, that ain't gonna change anytime soon.
The Iron Maidens? :neverusethis:
Eh, they used to have Nita Strauss and still have Courtney Cox on guitar, not a bad group of players to hang your hat with.
Who's on drums and bass, Jennifer Aniston and Lisa Kudrow?
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Well, as we have prematurely moved to the "let's discuss the drummers who didn't make the list" part of the thread :lol, I will say that I am curious to see where Ed Warby lands. Given how loved Ayreon is around here, I thought he had a good chance to sneak into the top 25.
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I don't *think* I have an album in my collection featuring a female drummer
I have at least three. A Carpenters compilation album, a Bangles compilation album, and Doll Revolution by the Bangles. I know Karen Carpenter's name got mentioned earlier, and I've seen clips where she did drum solos that demonstrated real proficiency on the kit, but did any of that come through on actual Carpenters recordings? Not any I've heard, and those bits and pieces certainly aren't vaulting her ahead of (or anywhere near) anyone I had on my list. Nor did Debbi Peterson even sniff the top 25.
Pau Villareal? Nah. Linda McDonald? No one who's basically just a tribute band player is gonna make it for me.
I got 9 female drummers lined up for Ariich's roulette :lol
Actually I think there's only two male musicians in all 7 rounds I'm sending.
As to Pau...her stock went way, way up with me after seeing them live earlier this month, she really knows how to play an audience. Such a great performer.
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Well, as we have prematurely moved to the "let's discuss the drummers who didn't make the list" part of the thread :lol, I will say that I am curious to see where Ed Warby lands. Given how loved Ayreon is around here, I thought he had a good chance to sneak into the top 25.
I gave a lot of thought to Ed as I’m a huge Arjen fan.
However, as much as I love what he does, he never makes me want to pick up my sticks. I never sit behind my kit and try to channel him. I never want to look him up on YouTube and really get into what he’s doing. And that was mostly my criteria so he didn’t make it. And that applies to a ton of great drummers in bands I love. Just cause I love the band and the drumming is great doesn’t mean they’re going to be a favorite of mine.
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Cobham is definitely on my list.
Also a shame that a couple of guys named Porcaro and Colaiuta haven't appeared. I have other jazz players on my list, but I thought there was a decent chance that those two would have appeared. I guess they aren't metal enough.
Porcaro is another. The guy was a genius. If my wife, who doesn't pay attention to drums much at all can recognize how good he was, he highly stands out.
The guy's resume is ridiculous.
He is amazing. I had him at #31, and he would have been higher had I liked more of the MUSIC he played on.
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I think Meg White blows, but Cindy Blackman - she drummed with Lenny Kravitz for the better part of two decades - is the real deal. I've seen Lenny four times as an opener, and she was the star of the show all four times.
I don't know her name, but the woman who drummed with Meanstreak on this last tour was really good too.
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I think Meg White blows, but Cindy Blackman - she drummed with Lenny Kravitz for the better part of two decades - is the real deal. I've seen Lenny four times as an opener, and she was the star of the show all four times.
I don't know her name, but the woman who drummed with Meanstreak on this last tour was really good too.
Wasn't that JP's wife?
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Eh, they used to have Nita Strauss and still have Courtney Cox on guitar, not a bad group of players to hang your hat with.
Courteney Cox >> Courtney Cox (although I'm not factoring in guitar skills). :coolio
But Lonestar, there's not a single band I listen to, or have ever listened to that has a female drummer.
And if The Warning is the best a female band can get, that ain't gonna change anytime soon.
The Iron Maidens? :neverusethis:
Eh, they used to have Nita Strauss and still have Courtney Cox on guitar, not a bad group of players to hang your hat with.
Who's on drums and bass, Jennifer Aniston and Lisa Kudrow?
I'm genuinely shocked you know these three names have a connection.
@ Kev, Ed was in my Top 10.
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:lol
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I think Meg White blows, but Cindy Blackman - she drummed with Lenny Kravitz for the better part of two decades - is the real deal. I've seen Lenny four times as an opener, and she was the star of the show all four times.
I don't know her name, but the woman who drummed with Meanstreak on this last tour was really good too.
Wasn't that JP's wife?
No; JP's wife, Rena, tore it up on guitar (she's quite the player, seriously). Marlene Portnoy was on second guitar, and Mrs. Myung (I forgot her first name) was on bass.
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I think Meg White blows, but Cindy Blackman - she drummed with Lenny Kravitz for the better part of two decades - is the real deal. I've seen Lenny four times as an opener, and she was the star of the show all four times.
I don't know her name, but the woman who drummed with Meanstreak on this last tour was really good too.
Wasn't that JP's wife?
No; JP's wife, Rena, tore it up on guitar (she's quite the player, seriously). Marlene Portnoy was on second guitar, and Mrs. Myung (I forgot her first name) was on bass.
Ok...I did see them open for JP, pretty solid performance all around.
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3 - Gavin Harrison
Appeared on 18 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (BRGM)
15 Top 10 Finishes
4 - John Bonham
Appeared on 21 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (hefdaddy42)
11 Top 10 Finishes
OK, well I was doubting my guess for the top 6 and looks like I got it right in the end.
John Bonham - my guess before this countdown started is that Bonham would end up at number 3 overall. However I'm ok with him number 4 as that is also where I ranked him. Just a brilliant drummer.
Gavin Harrison - my number 8. Was pretty sure Gavin would make the top 25 but I really didn't expect him to rank this high. Amazing drummer, just love his style. yeah he may sometimes overplay live but it works, unlike Lars :)
Looks like I will finish up at 16/26, which is higher than I expected. My own personal top 10 all made the overall top 25.
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Yea the lack of Lang is interesting, probably because he's not really known for any bands and everyone listed is a band drummer for the most part.
I know who Lang is, but have never really listened to anything he’s been involved in. Did he play for Bryan Adams?
The shocker to me (apologies if this is spotlighting but I don’t think so at this point) is that the guy from Haken (don’t even know his name off the top of my head) didn’t make it at all. I only know Affinity, but he’s pretty amazing on that one and I know there are lots of Haken fans on this forum.
Yes Ray Hearne. I had him ranked quite high on my list, and having just recently seen him play live, he deserves to be there in my eyes. But I'm sure we all have some 'favorite's" that we're surprised didn't make the list.
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Well, as we have prematurely moved to the "let's discuss the drummers who didn't make the list" part of the thread :lol , I will say that I am curious to see where Ed Warby lands. Given how loved Ayreon is around here, I thought he had a good chance to sneak into the top 25.
I gave a lot of thought to Ed as I’m a huge Arjen fan.
Warby is in my top 10. He's done a lot of stuff besides Ayreon as well, I don't think people realize how versatile he is.
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So I had Bonham of course, but I’ve never heard a PT song and couldn’t have named their drummer.
I didn’t have Bonzo super high though because while he’s recorded a lot of awesome iconic stuff, his style is not necessarily my preferred style.
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Gavin Harrison - I had him at #4. When I bought Deadwing completely on a whim back in 2005 and listened to it the first time, I was just in constant amazement at the drums. One of very very very few drummers that could potentially go toe to toe with my #1 drummer in his prime.
John Bonham - Didn't make my list, nor my shortlist. I love Led Zeppelin and find Bonham to be a good drummer, but I don't think he lived long enough to cross over into great drummer territory. Kind of the same deal with people like Jimi Hendrix, Randy Rhoads, or Cliff Burton....
It's pretty clear the top 2 will be Meg White and this guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_0ZNho_kuE)
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I am still bummed that Guy Patterson is apparently not going to make the list.
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I am still bummed that Guy Patterson is apparently not going to make the list.
Made my list!
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I am still bummed that Guy Patterson is apparently not going to make the list.
Made my list!
Thank god he got away from the Tempos and hooked up with O-neders.
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I am still bummed that Guy Patterson is apparently not going to make the list.
Made my list!
Thank god he got away from the Tempos and hooked up with O-neders.
:neverusethis:
That was a great movie, by the way. I haven't watched it in years though.
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I am still bummed that Guy Patterson is apparently not going to make the list.
Made my list!
Thank god he got away from the Tempos and hooked up with O-neders.
:neverusethis:
That was a great movie, by the way. I haven't watched it in years though.
I've never watched it, and have no idea what movie we're talking about. :lol
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Hint. Tom Hanks.
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Bosom Buddies?
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Bosom Buddies?
Don’t worry about it. Not sure it’s available on VHS anyway. :P
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Bosom Buddies?
So close, it's actually Castaway :biggrin:
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That's the movie you go with? I should have known better. Just like you in your man cave. :lol
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Not to be pedantic, but it's Cast Away (two words, not one). :P :biggrin:
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I will have everyone know that I have seen
Castaway. Cast Away.
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It's pretty clear the top 2 will be Meg White and this guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_0ZNho_kuE)
Nah, not a chance, it's clearly this dude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nECoe4eCp_o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nECoe4eCp_o)
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I will have everyone know that I have seen Castaway. Cast Away.
Let's see, option a) listen to Kiss, or option b) watch a film where there's no dialogue for an hour and a half except Tom Hanks talking to a volleyball. I'll take Option B, please!
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It's pretty clear the top 2 will be Meg White and this guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_0ZNho_kuE)
Nah, not a chance, it's clearly this dude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nECoe4eCp_o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nECoe4eCp_o)
Gotta love Fred Armison.
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Let’s not forget the greatest female drummer of all time.
Helen Wiggin from The Shaggs
https://youtu.be/XR9d4ESlpHY
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I will have everyone know that I have seen Castaway. Cast Away.
Let's see, option a) listen to Kiss, or option b) watch a film where there's no dialogue for an hour and a half except Tom Hanks talking to a volleyball. I'll take Option B, please!
Why not both?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu1vGvogqbY
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I will have everyone know that I have seen Castaway. Cast Away.
Let's see, option a) listen to Kiss, or option b) watch a film where there's no dialogue for an hour and a half except Tom Hanks talking to a volleyball. I'll take Option B, please!
Why not both?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu1vGvogqbY
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FrenchHighlevelIndianjackal-max-1mb.gif)
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Joking around aside, I will be curious to see how many of us have the top 2 correct (regardless of order). I know I will be one of them.
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Joking around aside, I will be curious to see how many of us have the top 2 correct (regardless of order). I know I will be one of them.
You mean our personal top 2 matches the final 2?
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Joking around aside, I will be curious to see how many of us have the top 2 correct (regardless of order). I know I will be one of them.
So will I!
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Joking around aside, I will be curious to see how many of us have the top 2 correct (regardless of order). I know I will be one of them.
So will I!
I won’t because Danny Carey is better.
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It's pretty clear the top 2 will be Meg White and this guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_0ZNho_kuE)
Nah, not a chance, it's clearly this dude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nECoe4eCp_o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nECoe4eCp_o)
:rollin I'm not sure how I've never seen this before, but that was amazing!
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There's other clips from it as well, I'm not sure if it's an actual full-length parody product or just a series of clips designed to make it look that way.
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I will have everyone know that I have seen Castaway. Cast Away.
Let's see, option a) listen to Kiss, or option b) watch a film where there's no dialogue for an hour and a half except Tom Hanks talking to a volleyball. I'll take Option B, please!
:|
;D ;D
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ReapkerKK, we see you. Out with it. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Alright time to wrap this bad boy up. Thank you for Kev for letting me take the wheel on this one, I really enjoyed and got a real thrill watching these two drummers trade spots with every new list submitted. There is only a one point difference between these two. I'll post all the drummers submitted with their point values tomorrow.
1 - Neil Peart
Appeared on 28 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (coz, DragonAttack, jingle.boy, KevShmev, Kingly Gizz & Liz Wiz Bizzy, Kram, Metropolaris, Mladen, pg1067, Puppies_On_Acid, romdrums, Stadler, SwedishGoose)
26 Top 10 Finishes
The Professor was going to easily make the list here so this comes as no surprise. He deserves it, an incredible drummer who never stopped learning and getting better through the entirety of his career. Gone far too soon but we at least have a large body of material to appreciate.
2 - Mike Portnoy
Appeared on 29 of 29 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Adami, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP, Fronzie, lonestar, TAC)
26 Top 10 Finishes
Of course he was going to be listed here. Mike Portonoy was one of the first drummers I obsessed over. I remember working and McDonalds in High School with a buddy who was a pretty good drummer. He tells me to go check out this song called ytse jam, it's a drum solo. I ran home, hopped on KaZaa, downloaded a 180p video of a leotard MP playing the drum solo from the Live in Tokyo video and was hooked since. He has incredible style and personality that just make him the complete package. His body of work is as solid as it is massive.
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Who fucking leaves off Neil Peart??
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Who fucking leaves off Neil Peart??
You did, you sent Neal Peart and that guy didn't make the top 25 ;)
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Wow, Neil finished 1st. Woohoo! I figured these would be the top 2, but thought Portnoy would finish 1st simply because this is a DT forum after all.
It's been no secret for a long time that I am not a big fan of Mike Portnoy the man, but Mike Portnoy the drummer is fantastic. Like ReaperKK said, his body of work speaks for itself, and he plays on many of my all-time favorite albums. His playing manages to almost always sounds fun despite the technical aspect of it. He was 2nd on my list.
But yeah, Neil was and will likely always be number 1 (unless someone still comes along and takes the throne, but I'd be shocked). I have air drummed to his drum parts more than any others in my life, and there was always a musicality to his playing that was so charming. He was the man. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Yup. Hard to decide between the top 2 but I ended up with MP as one because he just completely changed how I drum in a way that no one else has. Sure, I don't really connect with much of his output over the last 10 plus years, but I find myself having to try to avoid sounding like Mike when I drum because he's so ingrained.
And obviously it's hard to overstate the importance of Neil.
Here's the final list.
25. Should be top 10 but won't cause y'all suck (Guy Patterson)
24. A real reach for favorite but whatever, won't make the list anyway (Casey Grillo)
23. Obvious choice. (Alex Van Halen)
22. Won't be surprised either way with this one (Phil Rudd)
21. Probably gonna make the final list? Maybe? (Charlie Watts)
20. Will definitely make the list (Vinnie Paul....clearly was wrong on this one)
19. Not a chance, but should be if we're including metal drummers (Daniel Erlandsson)
18. Probably not, but who knows? (Taylor Hawkins)
17. Not a chance, but an early influence on my rock/metal groove style (Shannon Larkin)
16. Not a chance in hell and that's fine (Hans Rutten)
15. No way Jose. (Garrett Whitlock)
14. Higher chance that Stadler votes for Hillary (Johan Langell)
13. Obviously will make collective top 5. (John Bonham)
12. Maybe? Out of touch with forum on this stuff (Joey Jordison)
11. Not gonna happen (Roy Mayorga)
10. Probably will make the final list (Roger Taylor)
9. Lock for top 20 (Marco Miniman)
8. It's a crime this guy is so unknown and therefore won't make the list (Dmitry Kim....former drummer for Jinjer)
7. Nah, cause liking his band used to mean you got made fun of (Scott Phillips)
6. Possible? But unlikely. (Jason Rullo)
5. This is the collective forum's favorite drummer.....to poop on! (Lars Ulrich)
4. Better be in the top 10. BETTER BE! (Thomas Lang)
3. Kev won't be voting for this guy, but I imagine he'll rank high (Gavin Harrison)
2. Too obvious (Neil Peart)
1. Also super obviously in the top 5. (Mike Portnoy)
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Neil Peart... my number 1. I was pretty sure that he would end up at number 1 overall. Interresting to hear that he and MP were so close.
Had Mike Portnoy at number 5. Back in 1990-ties I think he would have ended up higher.
25 highly likely
24 no way
23 Phil Collins - probably
22 no chance
21 slight possibility
20 Stewart Copeland - possible
19 slight possibility
18 doubt it, but he should
17 Nick D'Virgilio - possible
16 probably not
15 possible
14 Marco Minnemann - possible
13 sadly not a chance
12 doubt it
11 no way in hell
10 Mike Mangini - definitely
9 possible
8 possible
7 Bill Bruford - possible
6 sadly not a chance
5 Mike Portnoy - definitely
4 Danny Carey - definitely
3 Gavin Harrison - high probability
2 sadly I don't think he will make but he should
1 Neil Peart - Locked in here....
Not ranked:
Gene Hoglan
Cozy Powell
Blake Richardson
Bill Ward
Carter Beauford
Alex Van Halen
Scott Rockenfield
Lars Ulrich
Dave Lombardo
Keith Moon
Ringo Starr
Brann Dailor
Nicko McBrain
John Bonham
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Neil Peart (my #9) was my second obsession with a drummer (my first one being Stewart Copeland!) when I discovered Rush around 1988/89. I still love his approach as a compositional drummer (as opposed to his more improvisational style in S&A and CA), so much thought in his drum parts and in the way they increase complexity during the songs. I also love his 80's electronic percussion approach, a lot of amazing work that I think sometimes is overlooked, like what he did on Mystic Rhythms.
Like DT in rock, I think Mike Portnoy (my #8) is truly the responsible to blend metal and prog in the drum world (although there was forerunners in both cases for sure). From WDADU to 8V, what a incredible and revolutionary work he did! I would highlight his FII more groove oriented work and superb drum sound. I still think he's an amazing drummer for today's standarts, with a lot of consistency in all his projects.
Thanks, ReaperKK for doing this, really loving it!
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Here is what my top 25 was, with my predictions for each.
25 Taylor Hawkins (Foo Fighters) - Outside chance
24 Andy Ward (Camel) - 1,000 to 1 odds he makes it
23 Todd Sucherman (Styx) - Probably no chance in hell
22 Roger Taylor (Queen) - Decent shot, but I won't be surprised if we do not see him
21 Raymond Hearne (Haken) - Pretty good chance considering how popular his band is here
20 Marco Minnemann (Steven Wilson solo) - Very likely to make it
19 Alex Van Halen (Van Halen) - Better than average chance
18 Albert Bouchard (Blue Oyster Cult) - 1,000,000 to 1 odds he makes it
17 Dominic Howard (Muse) - Very unlikely
16 Carl Palmer (ELP, Asia) - Very unlikely, but likely would have here 15 years ago
15 Ed Warby (Ayreon) - 2 to 1 chance to make it
14 Jaime Salazar (Flower Kings) - Very little shot
13 Bill Ward (Black Sabbath) - Extremely likely
12 Bill Bruford (Yes, King Crimson) - I'd be stunned if he doesn't make it
11 Chris Maitland (Porcupine Tree) - Solid chance, but could see a bit of overshadowing hurting his chances
10 Zoltan Csorsz (Flower Kings) - Highly doubtful
09 Phil Collins (Genesis) - Likely to not make a lot of lists, but should finish high enough on some to make it
08 Keith Moon (The Who) - A stone cold lock
07 Nick D'Virgilio (Spock's Beard) - Solid shot
06 Stewart Copeland (The Police) - Highly unlikely, and it will be the crime of the century when he is left off
05 John Bonham (Led Zeppelin) - 100% lock
04 Gavin Harrison (Porcupine Tree) - 100% lock
03 Carter Beauford (Dave Matthews Band) - Almost no chance
02 Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater, Transatlantic, Neal Morse Band, Flying Colors) - 100% lock
01 Neil Peart (Rush) - 100% lock
I was happy to be wrong about both Copeland and Beauford.
I totally forgot I had ranked Minnemann. :lol :lol
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So far the snubs I'm most surprised about are Hearne and Hawkins. I was pretty sure we'd see both on the final list, and both you and Adami had them.
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I am curious as to whom some of you thought I was referring when I said a certain drummer's exclusion would be the crime of the century. I was talking about Copeland, but did some of you think I meant Supertramp's drummer (whose name I don't even know :lol)?
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2 awesome drummers I've had the privilege to see 40 times live. My list below.
25. Chad Smith
24. Keith Moon
23. Nicko McBrain
22. Bill Bruford
21. Danny Carey
20. Stewart Copeland
19. John Bonham
18. Simon Phillips
17. Omar Hakim
16. Chad Sexton
15. Carter Beauford
14. Mike Mangini
13. Todd Sucherman
12. Ray Hearn
11. Manu Katche
10. Nick D'Virgilio
9. Billy Cobham
8. Jeff Porcaro
7. Steve Gadd
6. Marco Minnemann
5. Mike Portnoy
4. David Weckl
3. Vinnie Colaiuta
2. Gavin Harrison
1. Neil Peart
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MP was #11. He was my first favorite drummer. And while my opinion on him as a drummer and as a person has gone up and down over the years, there’s no denying his ability.
Neil Peart. Nuff said.
25 Nicko McBrain
24 Bill Ward
23 Mike Mangini
22 Carl Palmer
21 Blake Richardson
20 Marco Minneman
19 Nick Menza
18 Keith Moon
17 Michael Cavanaugh
16 Charlie Benante
15 Morgan Ågren
14 John Bonham
13 Ryan Van Poederooyen
12 Josh Eppard
11 Mike Portnoy
10 Marco Duplantier
9 Dave Lombardo
8 Phil Collins
7 Danny Carey
6 Gene Hoglan
5 Bill Bruford
4 Brann Dailor
3 Nick D’Virgilio
2 Gavin Harrison
1 Neil Peart
Great job and thanks for doing this, Reaper! :tup
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So far the snubs I'm most surprised about are Hearne and Hawkins. I was pretty sure we'd see both on the final list, and both you and Adami had them.
I know Hawkins but not Hearne.
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My list, in bold, my "biggest disappointments":
25. Bill Bruford
24. Ian Paice
23. Steve Smith
22. Charlie Benante
21. Paul Craddick
20. Rod Morgenstein
19. John Bonham
18. Nick D’Virgilio
17. Dennis Chambers
16. Alex Van Halen
15. Stewart Copeland
14. Terry Bozzio
13. Mike Mangini
12. Raymond Hearne
11. Tim Alexander
10. Will Calhoun
9. Neil Peart
8. Mike Portnoy
7. Danny Carey
6. Carter Beauford
5. Gavin Harrison
4. Bobby Jazormbek
3. Mark Zonder
2. Thomas Lang
1. Marco Minnemann
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I am curious as to whom some of you thought I was referring when I said a certain drummer's exclusion would be the crime of the century. I was talking about Copeland, but did some of you think I meant Supertramp's drummer (whose name I don't even know :lol)?
Honestly surprised I didn't think that lol
And fess up whoever left Neil off...
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I had both of those gents, though in reverse order. It might have been the other way around if it wasn't for the recent JP solo tour which cemented MP on top again, the guy is just such a treat to watch live. As to Neil, what can I add? The guy is a legend in every sense of the word, and when he passed and seeing literally every drummer on the planet pay tribute speaks to how revered he was by his own community.
Teh final list...
25- Alex Van Halen
24- Kenny Jones- The Faces, The Who
23- Nick Mason- Pink Floyd
22- Mickey Hart- The Grateful Dead
21- John Bonham
20- Ian Paice- Deep Purple
19- Danny Carey
18- Kozo Saganuma- Liv Moon, Vienna, most notable here for being Senri's teacher since she was 8. This guy is absolute magic to watch play.
17- Blake Richardson
16- Carl Palmer- ELP
15- Bill Bruford
14- Simon Phillips- Too many to list, made it for me for work with Pete Townshend and The Who
13- Akane Hirose- BAND-MAID (Jimmy Page referred to her as the female reincarnation of Bonham)
12- Mike Mangini
11- Tamu Murata- Nemophila
10- Ray Hearne- Haken
9- Ian Mosely- Marillion
8- Gavin Harrison
7- Alan White- Yes (my biggest surprise that he got snubbed)
6- Paul Cook- IQ
5- Marco Minneman
4- Senri Kawaguchi - Solo, Kyo-Sen, The Jazz Avengers, Triangle
3- Keith Moon
2- Neil Peart
1- Mike Portnoy
Only had 10 make the list, with two snubs I was really surprised by (White and Hearne), all the other peeps I figured wouldn't make the cut.
Thanks Reap for doing this.
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I'm surprised Joey Jordison didn't make the cut. And probably Ray Hearne too, but not enough Haken fans on the forum for that.
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Thanks for organizing this.... it's been fun
Here is my full list with the ones that did not make it in parenthesis.
Saw Manu Katche live another time a couple of days ago with Peter Gabriel. It's such a joy watching and listening to him. Sad he did not make it.... but then I did not think he would
25 (Ian Paice) - highly likely
24 (Thomas Lejon) - no way
23 Phil Collins - probably
22 (Andy Sturmer) - no chance
21 (Leo Margit) - slight possibility
20 Stewart Copeland - possible
19 (Martin Axenrot) - slight possibility
18 (Jeff Porcaro) - doubt it, but he should
17 Nick D'Virgilio - possible
16 (Andy Edwards) - probably not
15 (Craig Blundell) - possible
14 Marco Minnemann - possible
13 (Morgan Ågren) - sadly not a chance
12 (Ed Warby) - doubt it
11 (Roy Ward) - no way in hell
10 Mike Mangini - definitely
9 (Pat Mastelotto) - possible
8 (Mario Duplantier) - possible
7 Bill Bruford - possible
6 (Evan Carson) - sadly not a chance
5 Mike Portnoy - definitely
4 Danny Carey - definitely
3 Gavin Harrison - high probability
2 (Manu Katché) - sadly I don't think he will make but he should
1 Neil Peart - Locked in here....
Not ranked:
Gene Hoglan
Cozy Powell
Blake Richardson
Bill Ward
Carter Beauford
Alex Van Halen
Scott Rockenfield
Lars Ulrich
Dave Lombardo
Keith Moon
Ringo Starr
Brann Dailor
Nicko McBrain
John Bonham
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I am curious as to whom some of you thought I was referring when I said a certain drummer's exclusion would be the crime of the century. I was talking about Copeland, but did some of you think I meant Supertramp's drummer (whose name I don't even know :lol)?
Yeah that's who I thought you were referring to, Bob Siebenberg. I thought crime of the century was a little on the nose :lol I actually considered him.
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I had Peart at number 2 and Portnoy at number 4.
For a long time, Portnoy would have been my number 1 without question. Definitely was the first drummer I was obsessed with. I remember pounding the crap out of furniture in my room trying to replicate his double bass patterns when I was a teenager. I was just enthralled by this music he was making and specifically the drumming, whether it was DT or LTE or then Transatlantic or OSI. It started with drumming but went way beyond that with MP introducing me to so much of the music I love. If this were a list of artists with the biggest musical impact, it would be him. It’s no secret though that my interest in DT cooled off (really after SDOIT), and over time it seemed like there’s been more emphasis on the metal and speed aspect of his playing at the expense of musicality. But I’ve still enjoyed his work in Flying Colors and especially Winery Dogs. He continues to be a big part of my musical world.
I started getting into Rush late in high school, and then a little more in college, and a lot more after college. I remember hearing Distant Early Warning on the radio when I was maybe 16 or so, soon after first getting in to DT, and something about the playing made me think “that’s where Portnoy’s drumming comes from.” I already knew lots of Rush from the radio, but I don’t think I noticed the drumming until MP got me obsessed with it. Anyway, over time my interest in Rush increases really about the time I was losing interest in DT. Everything Peart did was so musical, much more constructed and orchestrated. I’ve always thought of his playing as sort of lyrical. His parts themselves are almost as thought out as the lyrics and serve the song so well. He was really the second drummer I became obsessed with, which included reading his books, his blogs, etc., and for a while he would have been my number 1. He’s still way up there for me.
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NP was my #1 and MP was my #2, so I got these right lol. Other than that a lot of mine didn’t make the cut.
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Thanks for organizing this.... it's been fun
Here is my full list with the ones that did not make it in parenthesis.
Saw Manu Katche live another time a couple of days ago with Peter Gabriel. It's such a joy watching and listening to him. Sad he did not make it.... but then I did not think he would
25 (Ian Paice) - highly likely
24 (Thomas Lejon) - no way
23 Phil Collins - probably
22 (Andy Sturmer) - no chance
21 (Leo Margit) - slight possibility
20 Stewart Copeland - possible
19 (Martin Axenrot) - slight possibility
18 (Jeff Porcaro) - doubt it, but he should
17 Nick D'Virgilio - possible
16 (Andy Edwards) - probably not
15 (Craig Blundell) - possible
14 Marco Minnemann - possible
13 (Morgan Ågren) - sadly not a chance
12 (Ed Warby) - doubt it
11 (Roy Ward) - no way in hell
10 Mike Mangini - definitely
9 (Pat Mastelotto) - possible
8 (Mario Duplantier) - possible
7 Bill Bruford - possible
6 (Evan Carson) - sadly not a chance
5 Mike Portnoy - definitely
4 Danny Carey - definitely
3 Gavin Harrison - high probability
2 (Manu Katché) - sadly I don't think he will make but he should
1 Neil Peart - Locked in here....
Not ranked:
Gene Hoglan
Cozy Powell
Blake Richardson
Bill Ward
Carter Beauford
Alex Van Halen
Scott Rockenfield
Lars Ulrich
Dave Lombardo
Keith Moon
Ringo Starr
Brann Dailor
Nicko McBrain
John Bonham
Hey Goose, maybe you could put in parentheses who each guy that didn’t make the list plays for. I don’t recognize any of their names but I might know their bands.
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I had Peart at number 2 and Portnoy at number 4.
For a long time, Portnoy would have been my number 1 without question. Definitely was the first drummer I was obsessed with. I remember pounding the crap out of furniture in my room trying to replicate his double bass patterns when I was a teenager. I was just enthralled by this music he was making and specifically the drumming, whether it was DT or LTE or then Transatlantic or OSI. It started with drumming but went way beyond that with MP introducing me to so much of the music I love. If this were a list of artists with the biggest musical impact, it would be him. It’s no secret though that my interest in DT cooled off (really after SDOIT), and over time it seemed like there’s been more emphasis on the metal and speed aspect of his playing at the expense of musicality. But I’ve still enjoyed his work in Flying Colors and especially Winery Dogs. He continues to be a big part of my musical world.
I started getting into Rush late in high school, and then a little more in college, and a lot more after college. I remember hearing Distant Early Warning on the radio when I was maybe 16 or so, soon after first getting in to DT, and something about the playing made me think “that’s where Portnoy’s drumming comes from.” I already knew lots of Rush from the radio, but I don’t think I noticed the drumming until MP got me obsessed with it. Anyway, over time my interest in Rush increases really about the time I was losing interest in DT. Everything Peart did was so musical, much more constructed and orchestrated. I’ve always thought of his playing as sort of lyrical. His parts themselves are almost as thought out as the lyrics and serve the song so well. He was really the second drummer I became obsessed with, which included reading his books, his blogs, etc., and for a while he would have been my number 1. He’s still way up there for me.
This is a great point and the same for me. If it wasn’t for MP,
I may have never gotten into Spock’s Beard (and therefore all the great Neal Morse projects), Porcupine Tree (Steven Wilson), Opeth, Pain of Salvation, Haken and probably more that I’m forgetting right now. These are some of my favorite bands/artists. MP has probably had a bigger musical influence on me than anyone now that I think about it.
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I'm not surprised at the ranking whatsoever. Mike has gotten a little too 'samey'/predictable in his later years, and not really all that much creativity. That could simply be a function of he's drummed on so many albums (studio and live), it's not unrealistic to think "yeah, I've heard this before" from him.
Neal on the other hand, was still fresh (for my ears) right up until R40.
25. His reputation should put him on here
24. No chance in hell
23. I highly doubt it.
22. perhaps?
21. Ringo Starr Should be, but most will probably overlook him
20. Phil Collins Maybe?
19. Legend, but won't make it
18. Mike Mangini Fo sho
17. Doubt it
16. Nope
15. Prolly not
14. Dunno… maybe?
13. Nope
12. Even the fans of this band have probably forgotten about him
11. should be, but doubt it
10. Keith Moon He's gotta be there
9. Nada
8. Scott Rockenfield Possibly
7. Nicko McBrain Fo sho
6. Nope
5. Not gonna happen ('specially if Joe/RJ didn't put him on their lists)
4. Alex Van Halen He better be
3. John Bonham Him too (I'm bothered by your lack of faith, RJ) ... RJ, I'm virtually certain the list you shared with me was a revised one from the one you matched your predictions from
2. Mike Portnoy Guaran-damn-teed
1. Neil Peart As for sure as death and taxes
I'll fill out my list later when I have time to add some commentary, but 10/26 ain't bad.
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Neil Peart - It's no secret that Neil is my favorite drummer. From the time I was 6 years old I was obsessed with all things Rush, mostly with the drums. I would be banging out drum parts on all the furniture throughout the house. My parents finally got tired of it and bought me my first drum kit. The rest is history, as they say. I am the drummer I am today because of Neil. He eventually opened up my world to many other amazing drummers and bands. I occasionally wonder how my life would have turned out had I not been turned on to Rush at such a young age. I don't think I would be on this forum posting, for one. I don't think I ever would have become a drummer. I'd probably still be listening to all the crap on top 40 radio and would be ignorant to the wide world of music out there that takes a little more digging, rather than what's on the radio.
Mike Portnoy - I had Mike at #7, but if this were 15 years ago he would have been #2. Mike's problem is because of him I was introduced to other drummers that I ended up liking more, plus a couple that I found on my own that I also like more. Not much really needs to be said here, other than my first exposure to Mike and DT was picking up SDoIT on the recommendation of my high school computer teacher. Listening to The Glass Prison for the first time, my jaw was on the floor the whole time. I'd finally found the second coming of Rush!
Here's my full top 25, plus honorable mentions that just missed the cut.
54. Chad Sexton
53. Hellhammer
52. Ginger Baker
51. Buddy Rich
50. Andrew Forsman
49. Josh Freese
48. Carl Palmer
47. Tomáš Corn
46. Mike Cosgrove
45. Matt McDonough
44. Hannes Grossmann
43. Sean Kinney
42. Thomas Lejon
41. Taylor Hawkins
40. Alex Rüdinger
39. Marco Minnemann
38. Morgan Ågren
37. Mick Pointer
36. Abe Cunningham
35. Stewart Copeland
34. Negru
33. John Dolmayan
32. Jimmy Chamberlin
31. Bill Bruford
30. Truls Haugen
29. Jason Rullo
28. Samus Paulicelli
27. Alan White
26. the Reverend
25. Daniel Presland (Most likely not)
24. Baard Kolstad (Unlikely, but should be considered by anyone that's listened to them)
23. Carter Beauford (Should be a lock, but probably forgotten about by everyone)
22. Cato Bekkevold (Probably the only person that considered them)
21. George Kollias (The speed mixed with technicality alone should make them a worthy consideration, but won't make most lists)
20. Marko Tarvonen (I'm the only one with this drummer on my list....ask me how I know...)
19. Tobias Schuler (No chance)
18. Josh Eppard (I can think of a couple other people that might have them on their lists)
17. Phil Collins (Should be a lock)
16. Ian Mosley (This drummer gets a bad rap from some, but shouldn't, and won't make the list most likely)
15. Brann Dailor (Could potentially make the list in another 10-15 years)
14. Proscriptor McGovern (Odds are probably less than 25%)
13. Martin Lopez (Odds are probably more than 25%)
12. Mario Duplantier (50/50 shot that they were considered by other people)
11. Jon Theodore (A snowball's chance in hell)
10. Mark Heron (See 21)
9. Alex Holzwarth (Extremely unlikely)
8. Gene Hoglan (Perhaps a small chance)
7. Mike Portnoy (Definite lock)
6. Aquiles Priester (Possible chance of just making it in the bottom third)
5. Mark Zonder (See above)
4. Gavin Harrison (Should make it)
3. Blake Richardson (Better make it)
2. Danny Carey (Definitely might make it)
1. Neil Peart (See 7)
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Good to see some love from someone else for Moseley, he's such a delicate player.
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Hey Pup, maybe some bands next to the drummers names?
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My full top 25:
25. Rick Allen (had to give him a nod!)
24. Matt Cameron (largely due to Temple of the Dog, but a bunch of others too)
23. Vinnie Colaiuta (largely due to his work with Sting, but he’s done so much more)
22. Jimmy Chamberlin (what a fun, high energy drummer for Smashing Pumpkins)
21. Andy Ward (great chops and jazzy feel on the early Camel albums)
20. Ian Mosely (drummer in my favorite band who’s slowed down with age but still good)
19. Bill Bruford (see prior comments)
18. Mark Zonder (see prior comments)
17. Dennis Chambers (he’s done a ton I don’t know, but is awesome in Niacin)
16. Marco Minnemann (see prior comments)
15. Gavin Harrison (see prior comments)
14. Jerry Gaskill (so great on the early King’s X stuff. Lights up a smaller kit).
13. Paul Hester (Crowded House drummer gone too soon. Really talented, fun player).
12. Alex Van Halen (see prior comments)
11. Tommy Taylor (his work on the first 3 Eric Johnson albums is sooo good)
10. Manu Katché (go check out Secret World Live, Tears for Fears’ Bad Man Song)
9. Steve Smith (raised the musicality in Journey from the start, some of his best work on Trial by Fire, great jazz player too)
8. Carter Beauford (see prior comments)
7. Rod Morgenstein (Winger, Jelly Jam/Platypus, Dixie Dregs, but especially love his work on Kip’s solo stuff)
6. Paul Craddick (early Enchant stuff was amazing, should have been heir to NP but largely walked away from music in early 2000s, aside from the excellent Rocket Moth album.
5. Pat Torpey (so good in Mr. Big. Check out Take Cover, Colorado Bulldog, Mr. Gone, or the solo on his instructional video. Also gone too soon)
4. Mike Portnoy (see prior comments)
3. Phil Collins (see prior comments)
2. Neil Peart (see prior comments)
1. Nick D'Virgilio (see prior comments)
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Hey Goose, maybe you could put in parentheses who each guy that didn’t make the list plays for. I don’t recognize any of their names but I might know their bands.
Sure thing....
25 (Ian Paice - Deep Purple) - highly likely
24 (Thomas Lejon - A.C.T, Andromea) - no way
23 Phil Collins - probably
22 (Andy Sturmer - Jellyfish) - no chance
21 (Leo Margit - Pain of Salvation) - slight possibility
20 Stewart Copeland - possible
19 (Martin Axenrot - Opeth) - slight possibility
18 (Jeff Porcaro - Toto) - doubt it, but he should
17 Nick D'Virgilio - possible
16 (Andy Edwards - Frost,IQ
, Rain) - probably not
15 (Craig Blundell - Steven Wilson Steve Hackett and more) - possible
14 Marco Minnemann - possible
13 (Morgan Ågren - Kaipa, Karmakanic, Mats/Morgan band) - sadly not a chance
12 (Ed Warby - Ayreon, VUUR and more) - doubt it
11 (Roy Ward - City Boy) - no way in hell
10 Mike Mangini - definitely
9 (Pat Mastelotto - Mr Mister, King Crimson, O.R.k) - possible
8 (Mario Duplantier - Gojra) - possible
7 Bill Bruford - possible
6 (Evan Carson - iamthemorning, solo) - sadly not a chance
5 Mike Portnoy - definitely
4 Danny Carey - definitely
3 Gavin Harrison - high probability
2 (Manu Katché - Peter Gabriel, Sting and more) - sadly I don't think he will make but he should
1 Neil Peart - Locked in here....
Not ranked:
Gene Hoglan
Cozy Powell
Blake Richardson
Bill Ward
Carter Beauford
Alex Van Halen
Scott Rockenfield
Lars Ulrich
Dave Lombardo
Keith Moon
Ringo Starr
Brann Dailor
Nicko McBrain
John Bonham
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My list, in bold, my "biggest disappointments":
25. Bill Bruford
24. Ian Paice
23. Steve Smith
22. Charlie Benante
21. Paul Craddick
20. Rod Morgenstein
19. John Bonham
18. Nick D’Virgilio
17. Dennis Chambers
16. Alex Van Halen
15. Stewart Copeland
14. Terry Bozzio
13. Mike Mangini
12. Raymond Hearne
11. Tim Alexander
10. Will Calhoun
9. Neil Peart
8. Mike Portnoy
7. Danny Carey
6. Carter Beauford
5. Gavin Harrison
4. Bobby Jazormbek
3. Mark Zonder
2. Thomas Lang
1. Marco Minnemann
Finally, another Steve Smith fan!
His stuff with Gambale was great, and his dvds are excellent.
I’m not even considering his Journey stuff at this point
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My list, in bold, my "biggest disappointments":
25. Bill Bruford
24. Ian Paice
23. Steve Smith
22. Charlie Benante
21. Paul Craddick
20. Rod Morgenstein
19. John Bonham
18. Nick D’Virgilio
17. Dennis Chambers
16. Alex Van Halen
15. Stewart Copeland
14. Terry Bozzio
13. Mike Mangini
12. Raymond Hearne
11. Tim Alexander
10. Will Calhoun
9. Neil Peart
8. Mike Portnoy
7. Danny Carey
6. Carter Beauford
5. Gavin Harrison
4. Bobby Jazormbek
3. Mark Zonder
2. Thomas Lang
1. Marco Minnemann
Finally, another Steve Smith fan!
His stuff with Gambale was great, and his dvds are excellent.
I’m not even considering his Journey stuff at this point
See my list above as well!
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Hey Pup, maybe some bands next to the drummers names?
Yep I can do that.
54. Chad Sexton (311)
53. Hellhammer (Age of Silence, Arcturus, Mayhem, plus a ton more, pretty much the ultimate session black metal/extreme metal drummer)
52. Ginger Baker (Cream)
51. Buddy Rich
50. Andrew Forsman (The Fall of Troy)
49. Josh Freese (A Perfect Circle, Foo Fighters new drummer, and numerous other bands, basically the ultimate Alternative Rock session drummer)
48. Carl Palmer (ELP)
47. Tomáš Corn (Lykathea Aflame, Appalling Spawn, Cult of Fire)
46. Mike Cosgrove (Alien Ant Farm)
45. Matt McDonough (Mudvayne)
44. Hannes Grossmann (Alkaloid, Blotted Science, Eternity's End, Necrophagist, Obscura, and dozens of guest spots)
43. Sean Kinney (Alice in Chains)
42. Thomas Lejon (A.C.T, Embraced, Andromeda)
41. Taylor Hawkins (Foo Fighters)
40. Alex Rüdinger (Conquering Dystopia, 7 Horns 7 Eyes, Good Tiger, just another one of those ultimate session drummers in the metal community)
39. Marco Minnemann (too many bands to recount)
38. Morgan Ågren (lots of Devin Townsend stuff, Kaipa, Karmakanic, Flesh Quartet, dozens of other session work)
37. Mick Pointer (Marillion's original drummer, Arena)
36. Abe Cunningham (Deftones)
35. Stewart Copeland (Police)
34. Negru (Negura Bunget)
33. John Dolmayan (System of a Down)
32. Jimmy Chamberlin (Smashing Pumpkins, Zwan, Jimmy Chamberlin Complex)
31. Bill Bruford (Yes, King Crimson)
30. Truls Haugen (Circus Maximus)
29. Jason Rullo (Symphony X, first Redemption album, food truck enthusiast)
28. Samus Paulicelli (big Youtube drummer, played with Devin Townsend on Empath, Decrepit Birth, Abigail Williams, Suspyre)
27. Alan White (Yes)
26. the Reverend (Avenged Sevenfold)
25. Daniel Presland (Most likely not) (Ne Obliviscaris)
24. Baard Kolstad (Unlikely, but should be considered by anyone that's listened to them) (Leprous, ICS Vortex)
23. Carter Beauford (Should be a lock, but probably forgotten about by everyone)
22. Cato Bekkevold (Probably the only person that considered them) (Enslaved)
21. George Kollias (The speed mixed with technicality alone should make them a worthy consideration, but won't make most lists) (Nile)
20. Marko Tarvonen (I'm the only one with this drummer on my list....ask me how I know...) (Moonsorrow, Barren Earth, October Falls, Arthemesia)
19. Tobias Schuler (No chance) (Der Weg einer Freiheit)
18. Josh Eppard (I can think of a couple other people that might have them on their lists) (Coheed and Cambria)
17. Phil Collins (Should be a lock)
16. Ian Mosley (This drummer gets a bad rap from some, but shouldn't, and won't make the list most likely) (Marillion)
15. Brann Dailor (Could potentially make the list in another 10-15 years)
14. Proscriptor McGovern (Odds are probably less than 25%) (Absu, Melechesh)
13. Martin Lopez (Odds are probably more than 25%) (Opeth, Soen)
12. Mario Duplantier (50/50 shot that they were considered by other people) (Gojira)
11. Jon Theodore (A snowball's chance in hell) (The Mars Volta, Queens of the Stone Age)
10. Mark Heron (See 20) (Oceansize)
9. Alex Holzwarth (Extremely unlikely) (Sieges Even, Dol Ammad, Avantasia, (Luca Turilli's) Rhapsody (of Fire))
8. Gene Hoglan (Perhaps a small chance)
7. Mike Portnoy (Definite lock)
6. Aquiles Priester (Possible chance of just making it in the bottom third) (Angra, Hangar)
5. Mark Zonder (See above)
4. Gavin Harrison (Should make it)
3. Blake Richardson (Better make it)
2. Danny Carey (Definitely might make it)
1. Neil Peart (See 7)
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Hey Reap, are we gonna get a list of all drummers mentioned?
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As predicted, 15/26. Thanks Reaper and everyone else for participating. 25 just wasn't enough for so many greats to be recognized!
Side note, why is the longer list called the short list?
25. Keith Moon I think this maniac will be picked
24. Matt Cameron (Soundgarden) Dirty chance he'll make it
23. Alex Bent (Trivium) Pretty sure you'd say "who"?
22. Eric Carr (Kiss) I miss this guy. Wish he was still with us. Not gonna make it here. :'(
21. Jon "Bermuda" Schwarz (Weird Al) This weirdo won't make it. 40 years and 14 studio albums with the same original quartet+. Impressive stuff.
20. Carter Beauford A unique cat whose style is highly revered in drumming circles. Not sure here though.
19. Larz Huge name. Guaranteed pick.
18. Rod Morgenstein Spicy lefty. He has a shot.
17. Martin Lopez In 2005, a no-brainer to be on here. Today. Maybe?
16. Charlie Benante (Anthrax) Probably won't be here. It's a crime.
15. John Bonham 100% this monster's here.
14. Alex Van Halen Brother of a legend on one of our other lists. Won't be surprised if he makes this list.
13. Chris Adler (Lamb of God) Groove metal master. Won't make the list though.
12. Jimmy Chamberlin (Smashing Pumpkins) Another real cool cat. A rock player with a huge jazz background. I'm gonna say he won't be named here.
11. Stewart Copeland Classic rocker who's very likely.
10. Blake Richardson Also very likely but not a classic rocker.
9. Will Calhoun (Living Colour) Liked him before, but since the band's 3rd release in 93 I have loved his playing. Not going to make the list.
8. Danny Carey He started further down my list. But the more I thought about it, his talent and style make him absolutely unique. Probably.
7. Nicko McBrain This forum? Of course.
6. Nick D'Virgilio Prog dude. Pretty sure he'll be here.
5. Brann Dailor Not sure on him. Highly respected, but not sure how well his name is known outside the drumming community.
4. Tim "Herb" Alexander (Primus, Laundry, Michael Manring, Puscifer, A Perfect Circle, Attention Defecit) Second one on my list who's known by a nickname. (My first draft had three). Not going to be named here.
3. Ringo For sure. Legend
2. Mike Portnoy I've thought mostly highly and sometimes low of this guy. He's still my number 2 basher though.
1. Neil Peart The master
26. Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan
Mike Mangini
Phil Collins
Dave Lombardo
Sean Kinney
Jerry Gaskill
Pat Torpey
Dave Abbruzzese
Brooks Wackerman
Gavin Harrison
Eric Kretz
Brad Wilk
Charlie Watts
Chad Sexton
Phil Rudd
Mike Bordin
Bill Ward
Chris Pennie
Josh Eppard
Dave Grohl
John Dolmayan
Chris Layton
Tre Cool
Stephen Perkins
Peter Criss
Tommy Lee
Liberty DeVitto
Martin Axenrot
Nick Mason
Roger Taylor
Chad Smith
Joey Jordison
Ginger Baker
Rick Allen
60. Steve "The Mad Drummer" Moore
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My list in the order that I thought of them. My rankings were a little different. Gavin H, Steve S, and Neil P were way higher.
Mike Portnoy
Budgie
Big Paul Ferguson
Mike Mangini
John Bonham
Joey Castillo
Dave Grohl
Alex Van Halen
Vinnie Colaiuta
Chad Wackermann
Mitch Mitchell
Keith Moon
Billy Cobham
Ian Paice
Dave Lombardo
Steven Perkins
Clem Burke
Nicko McBrain
Steve Smith
Elvin Jones
Lenny White
Matt Cameron
Rat Scabies
Ryan Van Poederooyen
Steve Gadd
Gene Hoglan
Sim Cain
John Otto
Dave McClain
Brann Daillor
Nick Menza
Tomas Haake
Neil Peart
Away
Martin Lopez
Gavin Harrison
Lars Ulrich
George Kollias
Tony Williams
Mark Evans
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Who fucking leaves off Neil Peart??
Guilty. I don't like Rush.
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Who fucking leaves off Neil Peart??
You did, you sent Neal Peart and that guy didn't make the top 25 ;)
:rollin
I had Portnoy at 6. 20 years ago, he probably would have been at #1. His influence on me was enormous: not just as a drummer, but as someone who was more than “just the drummer.” His drumming, to my ears, combined the craftsmanship and care that Neil Peart had in his drumming with the instinct and intensity of Phil Collins and added a healthy dose of Dave Lombardoesque double bass fury. He set the next level for me as a drummer, and the first time I was able to play along with Met 1 and not make a mistake was a watershed moment for me.
What else is there to say about Neil Peart? His burning desire to learn and improve in all aspects of his life was and is hugely inspirational to me.
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Since he was my top ranked drummer to not make the list, wanted to gush a bit about the late Pat Torpey. It was tragic when Parkinson’s took his ability to play, and then when when he past a few years later as a result. I remember being way more effected by his passing than I expected. There is so much personality in his drumming, and he was a joy to hear and watch play with Mr. Big.
I know drum solos aren’t for everyone, but this one is so excellent and gives a great overview of his playing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UtgDCW-bnkI&t=4s&pp=ygUUcGF0IHRvcnBleSBkcnVtIHNvbG8%3D
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I am curious as to whom some of you thought I was referring when I said a certain drummer's exclusion would be the crime of the century. I was talking about Copeland, but did some of you think I meant Supertramp's drummer (whose name I don't even know :lol)?
Yeah that's who I thought you were referring to, Bob Siebenberg. I thought crime of the century was a little on the nose :lol I actually considered him.
Gotcha. :tup :tup
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Since he was my top ranked drummer to not make the list, wanted to gush a bit about the late Pat Torpey. It was tragic when Parkinson’s took his ability to play, and then when when he past a few years later as a result. I remember being way more effected by his passing than I expected. There is so much personality in his drumming, and he was a joy to hear and watch play with Mr. Big.
I know drum solos aren’t for everyone, but this one is so excellent and gives a great overview of his playing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UtgDCW-bnkI&t=4s&pp=ygUUcGF0IHRvcnBleSBkcnVtIHNvbG8%3D
True, true. Pat is another greatly missed by me too. :'(
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Here’s my list:
25. Alan White (Yes). Kinda surprised he didn’t make the list. His playing on Relayer is insane!
24. Manu Katche. Not surprised, but damn, his work with Sting and Peter Gabriel is amazing.
23. Steve Judd (Karnivool). Not surprised. Phenomenal drummer though.
22. Mark Zonder
21. John Bonham
20. Brann Dailor
19. Pat Mastelotto (King Crimson, Mr. Mister, and many others).
18. Marco Minnemann
17. Mike Mangini
16. Matt Halpern (Periphery). Kinda surprised, but given the participation in this largely skewed older, not really.
15. Blake Richardson
14. Craig Blundell (Frost*, Lonely Robot, Steven Wilson). Not surprised.
13. Terry Bozzio. Maybe the biggest surprise that he didn’t make it?
12. Nick D'Virgilio
11. Tony Williams (jazz legend). Should have made it. If you say Tony to a drummer, this is that Tony.
10. Carl Palmer (ELP, Asia). Not that surprised, but he was a huge part of my formative years as a drummer.
9. Art Blakey (jazz legend). Absolute force of nature. Every drummer needs to listen to him.
8. Simon Phillips (Toto, Derek Sherinian, The Who, Judas Priest, etc). Love his drumming!
7. Chester Thompson (Genesis, Zappa, Weather Report). He added soul, swagger and heft to Genesis and Phil Collins in a live setting. I think he had a huge impact on Phil’s drumming.
6. Mike Portnoy
5. Bill Bruford
4. Tomas Haake (Meshuggah). Another big surprise that he didn’t make it. Hugely influential.
3. Gavin Harrison
2. Phil Collins
1. Neil Peart
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Who fucking leaves off Neil Peart??
Guilty. I don't like Rush.
Then maybe you need to check out their album Power Windows my dude. It’s Tim’s favorite and I love it as well.
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Here’s my list:
25. Alan White (Yes). Kinda surprised he didn’t make the list. His playing on Relayer is insane!
24. Manu Katche. Not surprised, but damn, his work with Sting and Peter Gabriel is amazing.
23. Steve Judd (Karnivool). Not surprised. Phenomenal drummer though.
22. Mark Zonder
21. John Bonham
20. Brann Dailor
19. Pat Mastelotto (King Crimson, Mr. Mister, and many others).
18. Marco Minnemann
17. Mike Mangini
16. Matt Halpern (Periphery). Kinda surprised, but given the participation in this largely skewed older, not really.
15. Blake Richardson
14. Craig Blundell (Frost*, Lonely Robot, Steven Wilson). Not surprised.
13. Terry Bozzio. Maybe the biggest surprise that he didn’t make it?
12. Nick D'Virgilio
11. Tony Williams (jazz legend). Should have made it. If you say Tony to a drummer, this is that Tony.
10. Carl Palmer (ELP, Asia). Not that surprised, but he was a huge part of my formative years as a drummer.
9. Art Blakey (jazz legend). Absolute force of nature. Every drummer needs to listen to him.
8. Simon Phillips (Toto, Derek Sherinian, The Who, Judas Priest, etc). Love his drumming!
7. Chester Thompson (Genesis, Zappa, Weather Report). He added soul, swagger and heft to Genesis and Phil Collins in a live setting. I think he had a huge impact on Phil’s drumming.
6. Mike Portnoy
5. Bill Bruford
4. Tomas Haake (Meshuggah). Another big surprise that he didn’t make it. Hugely influential.
3. Gavin Harrison
2. Phil Collins
1. Neil Peart
Bozzio is a monster, but I can’t say I really enjoy his playing. He’s kind of like Mangini for me.
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Oh, and many thanks to Reaper for running this one. It was a lot of fun!
So who’s gonna do the top 25 bassists list?
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Here’s mine:
25) Rick Colaluca.
24) John Bonham.
23) Alex Holzwarth.
22) Jay Weinberg.
21) Mark Zonder.
20) Tommy Aldridge.
19) Mike Portnoy.
18) Tomas Haake.
17) Chris Adler.
16) Dave Lombardo.
15) Marco Minnemann.
14) Scott Rockenfield.
13) Stewart Copeland.
12) Gene Hoglan.
11) Bobby Jarzombek.
10) Terry Bozzio.
9) Rod Morgenstein.
8) Scott Travis.
7) Mike Mangini.
6) Neil Peart.
5) Mikkey Dee.
4) Louie Bellson.
3) Gene Krupa.
2) Sheila E.
1) Buddy Rich.
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That is an eccentric bunch, Glasser. I am curious to see pg's list. Seems he's never heard of anybody! :rollin
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Here’s my list:
25. Alan White (Yes). Kinda surprised he didn’t make the list. His playing on Relayer is insane!
24. Manu Katche. Not surprised, but damn, his work with Sting and Peter Gabriel is amazing.
23. Steve Judd (Karnivool). Not surprised. Phenomenal drummer though.
22. Mark Zonder
21. John Bonham
20. Brann Dailor
19. Pat Mastelotto (King Crimson, Mr. Mister, and many others).
18. Marco Minnemann
17. Mike Mangini
16. Matt Halpern (Periphery). Kinda surprised, but given the participation in this largely skewed older, not really.
15. Blake Richardson
14. Craig Blundell (Frost*, Lonely Robot, Steven Wilson). Not surprised.
13. Terry Bozzio. Maybe the biggest surprise that he didn’t make it?
12. Nick D'Virgilio
11. Tony Williams (jazz legend). Should have made it. If you say Tony to a drummer, this is that Tony.
10. Carl Palmer (ELP, Asia). Not that surprised, but he was a huge part of my formative years as a drummer.
9. Art Blakey (jazz legend). Absolute force of nature. Every drummer needs to listen to him.
8. Simon Phillips (Toto, Derek Sherinian, The Who, Judas Priest, etc). Love his drumming!
7. Chester Thompson (Genesis, Zappa, Weather Report). He added soul, swagger and heft to Genesis and Phil Collins in a live setting. I think he had a huge impact on Phil’s drumming.
6. Mike Portnoy
5. Bill Bruford
4. Tomas Haake (Meshuggah). Another big surprise that he didn’t make it. Hugely influential.
3. Gavin Harrison
2. Phil Collins
1. Neil Peart
Bozzio is a monster, but I can’t say I really enjoy his playing. He’s kind of like Mangini for me.
His daughter Marina of Aldious is definitely a chip off the old block, just a tremendous player.
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That sound like a dungeon and dragons announcement RJ. LOL
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:lol
She's a legit beast behind the kit though...she's even rocking the triple bass just like daddy here...
https://youtu.be/IZuJjY3dlxo (https://youtu.be/IZuJjY3dlxo)
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That is an eccentric bunch, Glasser. I am curious to see pg's list. Seems he's never heard of anybody! :rollin
Cool mention of Rick Colaluca too!
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Jesus RJ, that start of the song....
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Jesus RJ, that start of the song....
Right? Those Japanese girls know how to fucking bring it...love watching that audience just losing their shit to. Good stuff. Only reason I'm not a bigger fan of this group is that the singer tends to lose me, I'm very particular with singers.
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Since he was my top ranked drummer to not make the list, wanted to gush a bit about the late Pat Torpey. It was tragic when Parkinson’s took his ability to play, and then when when he past a few years later as a result. I remember being way more effected by his passing than I expected. There is so much personality in his drumming, and he was a joy to hear and watch play with Mr. Big.
I know drum solos aren’t for everyone, but this one is so excellent and gives a great overview of his playing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UtgDCW-bnkI&t=4s&pp=ygUUcGF0IHRvcnBleSBkcnVtIHNvbG8%3D
Fucking impressive...I'm guessing I saw him live 4 or 5 times, they opened for Rush two tours in a row out here back in the late 80s. If I was a bigger fan I may have paid more attention to their work as I waited for Rush to come on.
To highlight my top drummer that didn't make it a bit...Senri Kawaguchi started playing at age 2, and by 8 was taken under by one of Japan's premiere drum teachers Kozo Sagunuma (#18 on my list). She was one of the first Youtube sensation musicians, but grew out of that as she entered the Japanese jazz scene in her late teens. Career highlights include drumming for Guthrie Govan on his Japan tour, headlining the Tokyo Jazz festival with her group Triangle, and being chosen to be the musical ambassador for One Young World Japan, which led to her forming the 8 piece ensemble the Jazz Avengers.
There's endless videos of her playing, but this from her Guthrie tour is probably my favorite...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H1-ebvlBTw&t=84s&ab_channel=SenriKawaguchi (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H1-ebvlBTw&t=84s&ab_channel=SenriKawaguchi)
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That is an eccentric bunch, Glasser. I am curious to see pg's list. Seems he's never heard of anybody! :rollin
My top 4 are absolute monster players who a lot of people never heard play. Look them up and check them out. Mikkey Dee is hands down my favorite metal drummer.
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That is an eccentric bunch, Glasser. I am curious to see pg's list. Seems he's never heard of anybody! :rollin
My top 4 are absolute monster players who a lot of people never heard play. Look them up and check them out. Mikkey Dee is hands down my favorite metal drummer.
Buddy Rich needs no introduction of course, and anybody who can hang with Prince live has earned a spot on any list. Sheila E is ridiculously good. I'll check out the other two, I've heard the names but haven't seen them.
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That is an eccentric bunch, Glasser. I am curious to see pg's list. Seems he's never heard of anybody! :rollin
Cool mention of Rick Colaluca too!
I've seen him play live barefoot. He's a total freak on the kit. For those who don't know him, he's the drummer of Watchtower.
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24. Manu Katche. Not surprised, but damn, his work with Sting and Peter Gabriel is amazing.
Glad someone else showed some love for Manu....
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Since he was my top ranked drummer to not make the list, wanted to gush a bit about the late Pat Torpey. It was tragic when Parkinson’s took his ability to play, and then when when he past a few years later as a result. I remember being way more effected by his passing than I expected. There is so much personality in his drumming, and he was a joy to hear and watch play with Mr. Big.
I know drum solos aren’t for everyone, but this one is so excellent and gives a great overview of his playing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UtgDCW-bnkI&t=4s&pp=ygUUcGF0IHRvcnBleSBkcnVtIHNvbG8%3D
Fucking impressive...I'm guessing I saw him live 4 or 5 times, they opened for Rush two tours in a row out here back in the late 80s. If I was a bigger fan I may have paid more attention to their work as I waited for Rush to come on.
To highlight my top drummer that didn't make it a bit...Senri Kawaguchi started playing at age 2, and by 8 was taken under by one of Japan's premiere drum teachers Kozo Sagunuma (#18 on my list). She was one of the first Youtube sensation musicians, but grew out of that as she entered the Japanese jazz scene in her late teens. Career highlights include drumming for Guthrie Govan on his Japan tour, headlining the Tokyo Jazz festival with her group Triangle, and being chosen to be the musical ambassador for One Young World Japan, which led to her forming the 8 piece ensemble the Jazz Avengers.
There's endless videos of her playing, but this from her Guthrie tour is probably my favorite...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H1-ebvlBTw&t=84s&ab_channel=SenriKawaguchi (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H1-ebvlBTw&t=84s&ab_channel=SenriKawaguchi)
She looks tiny! How old was she there?
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24. Manu Katche. Not surprised, but damn, his work with Sting and Peter Gabriel is amazing.
Glad someone else showed some love for Manu....
And I! Love his work with Peter Gabriel, Sting, and Tears for Fears.
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Who fucking leaves off Neil Peart??
I can actually feel the shock in this response. :lol
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Thanks for doing this one Reaper! :metal
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1 - Neil Peart
2 - Mike Portnoy
What to say about either of these guys that hasn't already been said. Just amazing drummers, and Peart had the added bonus of being the greatest lyricist of my formative years (and then some).
25 Keith Moon (Maybe...not sure)
24 Charlie Benante (Probably not)
23 Scott Travis (I'd say 60-70% chance no)
22 Ringo Starr (Probably)
21 Todd Sucherman (Probably not)
20 Clive Burr (Probably not)
19 Mike Mangini (90% yes)
18 Ingo Schwichtenberg (Nein)
17 Carl Palmer (Absolutely should be, but I'm thinking less than 50/50)
16 Vinnie Appice (Nope)
15 Steve Zimmerman (Not even a little chance)
14 Gil Moore (No way, eh)
13 Phil Collins (90+% yes)
12 John Panozzo (Not a chance)
11 Bobby Jarzombek (Nope)
10 Lars Ulrich (I think yes, only about 60% sure)
9 Bill Ward (Should be...75+% likely)
8 Bill Bruford (75+% likely)
7 Cozy Powell (50/50)
6 Scott Rockenfield (Hmmm...really not sure, but I think less than 50/50)
5 Alan White (Same band as #8 - one of them should make it, if not both)
4 Nicko McBrain (90+% yes)
3 Mike Portnoy (Lock)
2 Mark Zonder (Might sneak in around 21-25)
1 Neil Peart Lock for top 3
Not ranked: Gene Hoglan, Blake Richardson, Carter Beauford, Alex Van Halen, Martin Lopez, Stewart Copeland, Dave Lombardo, Nick D'Virgilio, Brann Dailor, Marco Minnemann, Danny Carey, John Bonham, Gavin Harrison
The only two guys I had who didn't make it that I'm slightly surprised about are Alan White and Carl Palmer. ELP, in general, seems to get almost no run here, so I guess that's not a big surprise. When Bill Bruford made it, I thought White had a chance. His work with Yes was immeasurable. Amazing drummer. I'm glad one of the three Fates Warning guys made it. One guy I neglected to include when I did my rankings - and who probably would have made my top 25 - was Phil Ehart. Hopefully my failure to include him didn't prevent him from making the overall list (I doubt it).
I'm now going to look at all the posts that say people are surprised that some drummer I've never heard of didn't make the top 25.
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Since he was my top ranked drummer to not make the list, wanted to gush a bit about the late Pat Torpey. It was tragic when Parkinson’s took his ability to play, and then when when he past a few years later as a result. I remember being way more effected by his passing than I expected. There is so much personality in his drumming, and he was a joy to hear and watch play with Mr. Big.
I know drum solos aren’t for everyone, but this one is so excellent and gives a great overview of his playing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UtgDCW-bnkI&t=4s&pp=ygUUcGF0IHRvcnBleSBkcnVtIHNvbG8%3D
Fucking impressive...I'm guessing I saw him live 4 or 5 times, they opened for Rush two tours in a row out here back in the late 80s. If I was a bigger fan I may have paid more attention to their work as I waited for Rush to come on.
To highlight my top drummer that didn't make it a bit...Senri Kawaguchi started playing at age 2, and by 8 was taken under by one of Japan's premiere drum teachers Kozo Sagunuma (#18 on my list). She was one of the first Youtube sensation musicians, but grew out of that as she entered the Japanese jazz scene in her late teens. Career highlights include drumming for Guthrie Govan on his Japan tour, headlining the Tokyo Jazz festival with her group Triangle, and being chosen to be the musical ambassador for One Young World Japan, which led to her forming the 8 piece ensemble the Jazz Avengers.
There's endless videos of her playing, but this from her Guthrie tour is probably my favorite...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H1-ebvlBTw&t=84s&ab_channel=SenriKawaguchi (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H1-ebvlBTw&t=84s&ab_channel=SenriKawaguchi)
She looks tiny! How old was she there?
She's 18 in that video...she's just that small, like 5' tall, and rail skinny, still is at 26. Here's another great video of her having fun with Marco Minneman during the Japan Aristocrats tour, then playing on his kit. I can't imagine how hard it is for someone that short to play on a kit set up for someone 6'5"... I'd say she's 20 in this video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_NDvn0b6zs&ab_channel=Kris-theonlyone (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_NDvn0b6zs&ab_channel=Kris-theonlyone)
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I had Jason Rullo #4, shout out to Adami and PuppiesOnAcid for having him on your lists.
MP #1 and NP #3.
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I had Jason Rullo #4, shout out to Adami and PuppiesOnAcid for having him on your lists.
MP #1 and NP #3.
Jason Rullo is a beast! He kind of gets overshadowed by Michael Romeo and Russell Allen in Symphony X by most people, but that guy knows how to lay down a fantastic groove. He also knows how to just go full tilt with fills and flash and how to rein it in and let the song breathe.
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24. Manu Katche. Not surprised, but damn, his work with Sting and Peter Gabriel is amazing.
Glad someone else showed some love for Manu....
He's awesome on the stuff I've heard with Peter Gabriel, but I think this is a case of him not playing on enough material I actively listen to. I had forgotten that he played on some of Sting's album, so I didn't factor that in.
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My list:
25 Phil Taylor (Motorhead)
24 Gene Hogland
23 Mitch Mitchell (Hendrix)
22 Bobby Jarzombek
21 Clem Burke (Blondie)
20 Mike Mangini
19 Mark Zonder
18 Ingo Shwichtenberg (Helloween)
17 Eric Singer
16 Dani Loble (Helloween)
15 Ian Paice
14 Dave Lombardo
13 Lars Ulrich
12 Stefan Kauffman (Accept)
11 Scott Rockenfield
10 Cozy Powell
9 Clive Burr
8 Alex Van Halen
7 John Bonham
6 Kelly David Smith (Flotsam & Jetsam)
5 Nicko McBrain
4 Charlie Benante (Anthrax)
3 Andy Parker (UFO)
2 Neal Peart
1 Mike Portnoy
12 for 25.
Thank you for hosting this Karolis!
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18 Ingo Schwichtenberg (Nein)
My list:
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18 Ingo Shwichtenberg (Helloween)
My man!
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I'm sad not seing Dave Weckl mentioned once. Sure he hasn't played in arena large bands or released albums that are huge but to me it's about his technic and influence on other drummers that's important. He has so much control over his playing and technic that is flawless and his playing is butter smooth.
Dave Weckl Drum Solo LIVE: "On The Edge" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QOwQ0rSTHw&ab_channel=DaveWeckl)
He's my major influence in playing drums and has been for years. May not be the type of music I listen to very often but that dosen't stop me from enyoing and be inspired by his playing in whatever music he plays.
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I'm sad not seing Dave Weckl mentioned once. Sure he hasn't played in arena large bands or released albums that are huge but to me it's about his technic and influence on other drummers that's important. He has so much control over his playing and technic that is flawless and his playing is butter smooth.
Dave Weckl Drum Solo LIVE: "On The Edge" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QOwQ0rSTHw&ab_channel=DaveWeckl)
He's my major influence in playing drums and has been for years. May not be the type of music I listen to very often but that dosen't stop me from enyoing and be inspired by his playing in whatever music he plays.
Ahem! Check again
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Neil number 3 and Mike number 2.
Thanks Reaper, great countdown.
My final list:
25 Peter Criss
24 Tommy Lee
23 Steve Judd
22 Alex Van Halen
21 Baard Kolstad
20 Martin Lopez
19 Marco Minnemann
18 Keith Moon
17 Phil Rudd
16 Tommy Aldridge
15 Scott Rockenfield
14 Vinnie Paul
13 Joey Jordison
12 Matt Cameron
11 Brann Dailor
10 Lars Ulrich
9 Blake Richardson
8 Gavin Harrison
7 Bill Ward
6 Dave Lombardo
5 Nicko McBrain
4 John Bonham
3 Neil Peart
2 Mike Portnoy
1 Danny Carey
I finished at 16 out of 26. Looking at some other lists, probably a couple of drummers I forgot about and left off that I could have included.
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23 Steve Judd
21 Baard Kolstad
I finished at 16 out of 26. Looking at some other lists, probably a couple of drummers I forgot about and left off that I could have included.
16 out of 26 is damned good. I don't recognize the two guys above.
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23 Steve Judd
21 Baard Kolstad
I finished at 16 out of 26. Looking at some other lists, probably a couple of drummers I forgot about and left off that I could have included.
16 out of 26 is damned good. I don't recognize the two guys above.
Baard Kolstad was my #1 and just a jaw droppingly good drummer. Watching him quite literally blows my mind. I'm itching to see the full ranking of all drummers, to see how far he was from making the cut.
Thanks again Reap for doing this.
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23 Steve Judd
21 Baard Kolstad
I finished at 16 out of 26. Looking at some other lists, probably a couple of drummers I forgot about and left off that I could have included.
16 out of 26 is damned good. I don't recognize the two guys above.
I also had Baard Kolstad, he's the drummer from Leprous.
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23 Steve Judd
21 Baard Kolstad
I finished at 16 out of 26. Looking at some other lists, probably a couple of drummers I forgot about and left off that I could have included.
16 out of 26 is damned good. I don't recognize the two guys above.
I also had Baard Kolstad, he's the drummer from Leprous.
OK, thanks Pup. I've never connected with them.
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Since he was my top ranked drummer to not make the list, wanted to gush a bit about the late Pat Torpey. It was tragic when Parkinson’s took his ability to play, and then when when he past a few years later as a result. I remember being way more effected by his passing than I expected. There is so much personality in his drumming, and he was a joy to hear and watch play with Mr. Big.
I know drum solos aren’t for everyone, but this one is so excellent and gives a great overview of his playing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UtgDCW-bnkI&t=4s&pp=ygUUcGF0IHRvcnBleSBkcnVtIHNvbG8%3D
Fucking impressive...I'm guessing I saw him live 4 or 5 times, they opened for Rush two tours in a row out here back in the late 80s. If I was a bigger fan I may have paid more attention to their work as I waited for Rush to come on.
To highlight my top drummer that didn't make it a bit...Senri Kawaguchi started playing at age 2, and by 8 was taken under by one of Japan's premiere drum teachers Kozo Sagunuma (#18 on my list). She was one of the first Youtube sensation musicians, but grew out of that as she entered the Japanese jazz scene in her late teens. Career highlights include drumming for Guthrie Govan on his Japan tour, headlining the Tokyo Jazz festival with her group Triangle, and being chosen to be the musical ambassador for One Young World Japan, which led to her forming the 8 piece ensemble the Jazz Avengers.
There's endless videos of her playing, but this from her Guthrie tour is probably my favorite...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H1-ebvlBTw&t=84s&ab_channel=SenriKawaguchi (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H1-ebvlBTw&t=84s&ab_channel=SenriKawaguchi)
I'm a huge, huge fan of Guthrie and I've seen this video before but didn't know the backstory. She is really an incredible drummer.
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23 Steve Judd
21 Baard Kolstad
I finished at 16 out of 26. Looking at some other lists, probably a couple of drummers I forgot about and left off that I could have included.
16 out of 26 is damned good. I don't recognize the two guys above.
Steve Judd is the drummer from Karnivool. I’ve seen them live a number of times and just really love his style and live performance. I didn’t expect anyone else to rank him.
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My list;
25 Lars Ulrich
24 Gene Hoglan
23 Cozy Powell
22 Travis Smith
21 Ingo Schwichtenberg
20 Scott Travis
19 Steve Wacholz
18 Jorg Michael
17 Virgil Donati
16 Chad Gracey
15 Scott Rockenfield
14 Clive Burr
13 Uli Kusch
12 Patrick Carlsson
11 David Ingraham
10 Bill Ward
9 Daniel Svensson
8 Blake Richardson
7 Nicko McBrain
6 Mikkey Dee
5 Mark Zonder
4 Neil Peart
3 Mike Portnoy
2 Danny Carey
1 Brann Dailor
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Steve Judd is the drummer from Karnivool. I’ve seen them live a number of times and just really love his style and live performance. I didn’t expect anyone else to rank him.
His performance on Sound Awake, in particular, is absolutely fantastic.
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I'm sad not seing Dave Weckl mentioned once. Sure he hasn't played in arena large bands or released albums that are huge but to me it's about his technic and influence on other drummers that's important. He has so much control over his playing and technic that is flawless and his playing is butter smooth.
Dave Weckl Drum Solo LIVE: "On The Edge" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QOwQ0rSTHw&ab_channel=DaveWeckl)
He's my major influence in playing drums and has been for years. May not be the type of music I listen to very often but that dosen't stop me from enyoing and be inspired by his playing in whatever music he plays.
Weckl's playing IS so smoooth. And that snare is poppin' good.
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Travis Smith from Trivium, wolf? :omg: Nice! :metal
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My list;
25 Lars Ulrich
24 Gene Hoglan
23 Cozy Powell
22 Travis Smith
21 Ingo Schwichtenberg
20 Scott Travis
19 Steve Wacholz
18 Jorg Michael
17 Virgil Donati
16 Chad Gracey
15 Scott Rockenfield
14 Clive Burr
13 Uli Kusch
12 Patrick Carlsson
11 David Ingraham
10 Bill Ward
9 Daniel Svensson
8 Blake Richardson
7 Nicko McBrain
6 Mikkey Dee
5 Mark Zonder
4 Neil Peart
3 Mike Portnoy
2 Danny Carey
1 Brann Dailor
Mikkey Dee! :tup :metal
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Peart was one of the first drummers I heard that really floored me. A friend in my freshman year of high school lent me Moving Pictures, and I remember being dazzled by all of the tom fills. His sense of composition is immaculate, each note he plays feels like the precise one for that particular moment. I also enjoyed his guest drumming on a few tracks with Vertical Horizon for a much more restrained version of himself.
Portnoy was one of the next guys to blow me away. The complexity, the speed, the variety of different sounds from all varieties of toms and effects cymbals, it went a level beyond Peart. And it was fun to watch, I remember getting Liquid Drum Theater even though I didn't yet own a drumset, and being spellbound watching him. I've since heard many guys who are even faster and more complex, and sure, after awhile you can spot that he doesn't have the deepest well of tricks and reuses ideas a bit too often, but few could make it sound as cool and musical as he could. The intro to "Paradigm Shift" is one of those parts that isn't nearly as complicated as it sounds, but I'm sure was played at many a Guitar Center afternoon to fool onlookers into thinking they were drum gods.
Here's my list. I might do short writeups tomorrow on a few of the top ones who didn't make the group list.
25: Anup Sastry (Skyharbor, Intervals)
24: Peter Wildoer (Darkane, James LaBrie)
23: Omar Hakim (Aziza Mustafa Zadeh, Weather Report)
22: Paul Roraback (Grammatrain, Gideon's Press)
21: Matt Garstka (Animals As Leaders, Louis de Mieulle)
20: Carter Beauford (Vertical Horizon, Dave Matthews Band)
19: Phil Collins (Genesis, Brand X)
18: Anika Nilles (Nevell, Jeff Beck)
17: Dennis Chambers (Niacin, CAB)
16: Terry Bozzio (Explorer's Club, U.K.)
15: Marco Minnemann (Paul Gilbert, Steven Wilson)
14: Ted Kirkpatrick (Tourniquet, Trouble)
13: Morgan Rose (Sevendust, Call Me No One)
12: Dave Weckl (Aziza Mustafa Zadeh, Chick Corea)
11: Steve Smith (Vital Information, Tony MacAlpine)
10: Dirk Verbeuren (Soilwork, Sybreed)
9: Ed Warby (Ayreon, Star One)
8: Neil Peart (Rush, Vertical Horizon)
7: Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater, Liquid Tension Experiment)
6: Gavin Harrison (Porcupine Tree, The Pineapple Thief)
5: Sean Reinert (Aghora, Cynic)
4: Martin Lopez (Opeth, Soen)
3: Ivar de Graaf (Kingfisher Sky, Within Temptation)
2: Daniel Liljekvist (Katatonia, Grand Cadaver)
1: Danny Carey (Tool, Volto!)
Honorable Mentions: Anders Jivarp (Dark Tranquillity), Art Blakey, Bill Bruford (King Crimson), Billy Cobham (Mahavishnu Orchestra), Bobby Jarzombek (Spastic Ink), Brann Dailor (Mastodon), Buddy Rich, Chad Szeliga (Breaking Benjamin), Curt Cress (Passport), Daniel Moilanen (Katatonia), Dobber Beverly (Oceans of Slumber), Elvin Jones (John Coltrane), Gene Hoglan (Death), Hannes Grossman (Obscura), Jay Postones (TesseracT), Jerry Gaskill (King's X), Jerry McBroom (Bride), Jimmy Chamberlin (Smashing Pumpkins), John Macaluso (Ark), Martin Axenrot (Opeth), Matt Halpern (Periphery), Matt Thompson (Aghora), Max Roach, Morgan Agren (Kaipa), Richard Christy (Death), Simon Phillips (Derek Sherinian), Simon Zimbardo (Aziza Mustafa Zadeh), Steve Gadd (Al DiMeola), Stewart Copeland (The Police), Thomas Lang (Paul Gilbert), Tony Williams, Van Williams (Nevermore), Vinnie Colaiuta (Frank Zappa), Virgil Donati (Planet X), Yanic Bercier (Quo Vadis)
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I'm sad not seing Dave Weckl mentioned once. Sure he hasn't played in arena large bands or released albums that are huge but to me it's about his technic and influence on other drummers that's important. He has so much control over his playing and technic that is flawless and his playing is butter smooth.
Dave Weckl Drum Solo LIVE: "On The Edge" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QOwQ0rSTHw&ab_channel=DaveWeckl)
He's my major influence in playing drums and has been for years. May not be the type of music I listen to very often but that dosen't stop me from enyoing and be inspired by his playing in whatever music he plays.
Weckl's playing IS so smoooth. And that snare is poppin' good.
Yea, he's the master on fluidity and control. He makes stuff look so easy and effortless.
I'm sad not seing Dave Weckl mentioned once. Sure he hasn't played in arena large bands or released albums that are huge but to me it's about his technic and influence on other drummers that's important. He has so much control over his playing and technic that is flawless and his playing is butter smooth.
Dave Weckl Drum Solo LIVE: "On The Edge" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QOwQ0rSTHw&ab_channel=DaveWeckl)
He's my major influence in playing drums and has been for years. May not be the type of music I listen to very often but that dosen't stop me from enyoing and be inspired by his playing in whatever music he plays.
Ahem! Check again
Oh that makes me happy! :tup
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My list;
25 Lars Ulrich
24 Gene Hoglan
23 Cozy Powell
22 Travis Smith
21 Ingo Schwichtenberg
20 Scott Travis
19 Steve Wacholz
18 Jorg Michael
17 Virgil Donati
16 Chad Gracey
15 Scott Rockenfield
14 Clive Burr
13 Uli Kusch
12 Patrick Carlsson
11 David Ingraham
10 Bill Ward
9 Daniel Svensson
8 Blake Richardson
7 Nicko McBrain
6 Mikkey Dee
5 Mark Zonder
4 Neil Peart
3 Mike Portnoy
2 Danny Carey
1 Brann Dailor
Nice list dude, I thought I'd have the most crossover with you. I too had Travis Smith and Daniel Svensson :metal
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Final list with some commentary on the ones that didn't make it.
25. Ginger Baker (a whole bunch of classic bands) His reputation should put him on here
24. Darren Smith (Harem Scarem) No chance in hell .... There's a large discography, and I'm a big fanboi. He's not flashy, and works with a pretty minimalist kit. Gets the most out of it
23. Mitch Mitchell (Jimi Hendrix Experience) I highly doubt it.... Was I really the only one that threw a vote for him?
22. perhaps?
21. Ringo Starr Should be, but most will probably overlook him
20. Phil Collins Maybe?
19. Charlie Watts (The Rolling Stones) Legend, but won't make it ... He's about as basic as it gets, but so many of the 'greatest' rock songs from the Stones have a noticeably important drum piece
18. Mike Mangini Fo sho
17. Peter Criss (Kiss) Doubt it .... I'm not the biggest Kiss fan, but his drum work is an important part of their music when he was on the skins
16. Larry Mullen (U2) Nope ... ditto, but to an even greater degree - especially for the 80s era stuff.
15. Roger Taylor (Queen) Prolly not
14. Nick Mason (Pink Floyd) Dunno… maybe?
13. Jonas Ekdahl (Evergrey) Nope
12. Jukka Nevalainen (Nightwish) Even the fans of this band have probably forgotten about him
11. Phil Rudd (AC/DC) should be, but doubt it ... See Charlie Watts
10. Keith Moon He's gotta be there
9. Felix Bohnke (Edgy; Avantasia Live) Nada
8. Scott Rockenfield Possibly
7. Nicko McBrain Fo sho
6. Ed Warby (Ayreon, Star One) Nope
5. Gil Moore (Triumph) Not gonna happen ('specially if Joe/RJ didn't put him on their lists) ... I'm sorry, but in the 80s, he was as important a drummer in a Canadian three piece band (and almost as talented) as the winner of this poll. It's a shame the band fell apart in '89. Imagine if Geddy left Rush after Signals and they had disbanded ... that's essentially what happened with Triumph.
4. Alex Van Halen He better be
3. John Bonham Him too (I'm bothered by your lack of faith, RJ) ... RJ, I'm virtually certain the list you shared with me was a revised one from the one you matched your predictions from
2. Mike Portnoy Guaran-damn-teed
1. Neil Peart As for sure as death and taxes
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I didn't submit a list because there are only around a dozen drummers whose playing I can say I love (to round out a top 25 I would have just been submitting names from bands I like, which didn't seem in the spirit of the thread). But if I had, this would have been my top ten, with band name and favourite drum performance in brackets:
10. Jaska Raatikainen (Children of Bodom/Kissing The Shadows)
9. Lars Ulrich (Metallica/Disposable Heroes)
8. Blake Richardson (Between The Buried And Me/Swim to the Moon)
7. Keith Moon (The Who/I Can See For Miles)
6. Nick Mason (Pink Floyd/Atom Heart Mother)
5. Danny Carey (Tool/Rosetta Stoned)
4. Phil Collins (Genesis/Fly on a Windshield)
3. Pick Withers (Dire Straits/Water of Love)
2. Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater/In The Name of God)
1. John Bonham (Led Zeppelin/When The Levee Breaks)
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As promised here is the final drummer list:
Neil Peart 623
Mike Portnoy 622
Gavin Harrison 374
John Bonham 315
Mike Mangini 245
Danny Carey 226
Marco Minnemann 223
Nicko McBrain 196
Phil Collins 186
Bill Bruford 184
Nick D'Virgilio 175
Brann Dailor 165
Keith Moon 133
Ringo Starr 128
Lars Ulrich 122
Dave Lombardo 121
Scott Rockenfield 118
Stewart Copeland 114
Mark Zonder 113
Martin Lopez 112
Carter Beauford 111
Alex Van Halen 110
Blake Richardson 99
Bill Ward 96
Gene Hoglan 94
Cozy Powell 94
Carl Palmer 87
Roger Taylor 84
Ray Hearne 75
Thomas Lang 69
Virgil Donati 68
Simon Phillips 68
Steve Smith 67
Vinnie Colaiuta 66
Clive Burr 65
Joey Jordison 65
Chester Thompson 63
Ed Warby 62
Manu Katche 61
Terry Bozzio 58
Jeff Porcaro 54
Ian Paice 52
Charlie Benante 51
Rod Morgenstein 50
Matt Garstka 48
Baard Kolstad 46
Tomas Haake 45
Josh Eppard 45
Alan White 45
Phil Rudd 44
Buddy Rich 44
Tony Williams 43
Jason Rullo 42
Tim Alexander 42
Ian Mosley 42
Mikkey Dee 41
Gene Krupa 41
Dave Grohl 41
Steve Gadd 40
Aquiles Priester 40
Craig Blundell 39
Dave Weckl 36
Vinnie Paul 36
Dennis Chambers 36
Todd Sucherman 34
Bobby Jarzombek 34
Billy Cobham 33
Gil Moore 33
Will Calhoun 33
Mario Duplantier 32
Dave McClain 31
Scott Travis 30
Nick Menza 29
Matt Cameron 29
Charlie Watts 28
Ryan Van Poederooyen 27
Chris Adler 26
Clem Burke 26
Taylor Hawkins 25
Kenny Aronoff 25
Paul Craddick 25
Nick Mason 24
Morgan Ågren 24
Sheila E 24
Daniel Liljekvist 24
Jon Theodore 24
Pat Mastelotto 24
Andy Parker 23
Ivar de Graaf 23
Senri Kawaguchi 22
Larry Mullen Jr. 22
Zoltan Csörsz 22
Leo Margarit 22
Bobby Jazormbek 22
devieira73 22
4 22
Louie Bellson 22
Pat Torpey 21
Sean Reinert 21
Ray Marte 21
Ingo Schwichtenberg 21
Brian Downey 21
Jorg Michael 21
Budgie 21
Jimmy Chamberlin 21
Travis Smith 20
Neil Smith 20
Alex Holzwarth 20
Kelly David Smith 20
Paul Cook 20
Tommy Aldridge 20
Evan Carson 20
Scott Phillips 19
Michael Cavanagh 19
Bun E. Carlos 19
Chad Wackermann 19
Dino Campanella 18
Daniel Svensson 18
Dmitry Kim 18
Art Blakey 17
Thomas Pridgen 17
Felix Bohnke 17
Marco Duplantier 16
Michael Derosier 16
Dirk Verbeuren 16
Mark Heron 16
Tommy Taylor 15
Liberty DeVitto 15
Chris Maitland 15
Phil Ehart 15
Tamu Murata 15
Greg Saunier 15
Roy Ward 15
Travis Barker 15
Roy Mayorga 15
David Ingraham 15
Mitch Mitchell 14
Stefan Kauffman 14
Alan Gratzer 14
Raymond Hearne 14
Jukka Nevalainen 14
John Longstreth 14
John Panozzo 14
Patrick Carlsson 14
Paul Hester 13
Derek Roddy 13
Morgan Rose 13
Aaron Harris 13
Bobby Robinelli 13
Akane Hirose 13
Jonas Ekdahl 13
Uli Kusch 13
Proscriptor McGovern 12
Ted Kirkpatrick 12
Peter Criss 12
Johan Langell 12
Jose Pasillas 12
Aron Mellergårdh 12
Les Binks 12
Jerry Gaskill 12
Omar Hakim 12
Jaime Salazar 12
Steve Zimmerman 11
Tré Cool 11
Big Paul Ferguson 11
Garrett Whitlock 11
John Stephen French 11
Hans Rutten 10
Chad Gracey 10
Chad Sexton 10
Aynsley Dunbar 10
DragonAttack 10
16 10
Vinnie Appice 10
Chad Smith 10
Andy Edwards 10
Rat Scabies 10
Dani Noble 10
George Kollias 10
Matt Halpern 10
Shannon Larkin 9
Barriemore Barlow 9
Eric Singer 9
Jaska Raatikainen 9
Dominic Howard 9
Sim Cain 9
The Rev 8
Bernard Purdie 8
Nick D’Virgilio 8
Carmine Appice 8
Kozo Saganuma 8
Albert Bouchard 8
Bill Kreutzman 8
Anika Nilles 8
Daniel Erlandsson 7
Martin Axenrot 7
Dave Rowntree 7
Ginger Baker 7
Chris Allison 7
Max Weinberg 7
Steve Wacholz 7
Andy Ward 7
Zak Starkey 7
Tobias Schuler 7
Marko Tarvonen 6
Steve Judd 6
Guy Evans 6
Simon Kirke 5
Lenny White 5
Gary Husband 5
Jon "Bermuda" Schwartz 5
Eric Carr 4
Jay Weinberg 4
Paul Roraback 4
Cato Bekkevold 4
Mikey Hart 4
Andy Sturmer 4
Alex Bent 3
Erik Sandin 3
Elvin Jones 3
Bev Bevan 3
Clyde Stubblefield 3
Morgan Simpson 3
Nick Crescenzo 2
Kenny Jones 2
Joey Castillo 2
Darren Smith 2
Josh Freese 2
Lee Kerslake 2
Thomas Lejon 2
Moe Tucker 2
Tommy Lee 2
Cassey Grillo 2
Peter Wildoer 2
Guy Patterson 1
Anup Sastry 1
Mark Evans 1
Rick Allen 1
Jerome “Bigfoot” Brailey 1
Phil Taylor 1
Rick Colaluca 1
Daniel Presland 1
Makaya McCraven 1
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Ray Hearne 75
Raymond Hearne 14
Flag on the play.
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Ray Hearne 75
Raymond Hearne 14
Flag on the play.
This is why I'll leave future lists to the pro ;)
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Ray Hearne 75
Raymond Hearne 14
Flag on the play.
Well, whoever called him "Raymond" tip-toed on the line. Can't blame the official here. Plus, 89 still doesn't make the list.
I'm stunned it was only a 1 point difference!
Other observations:
Tommy Aldridge didn't get a lot of love, did he? Nor Carmen Appice? :-\
I'm surprised Jukka (Nightwish) didn't get any votes other than mine; ditto on Jonas (Evergrey)... I expected Kade would've had him there.
Who voted for DragonAttack?
Nick D'Virgilio 175
Nick D’Virgilio 8
A different apostrophe . Doesn't change his placement, but the importance of punctuation!! :lol
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I also saw Mario Duplantier and Marco Duplantier, and looking at my own list, I’m one of the dummies that misspelled it as Marco :lol
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Nick D'Virgilio 175
Nick D’Virgilio 8
A different apostrophe . Doesn't change his placement, but the importance of punctuation!! :lol
Nick drove me nuts. I thought I got them all but man the special character names were rough :lol
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See, this is why I am insistent on everyone trying to get their spelling correct and whatnot when submitting lists, but it's also why I enter all of the scores in manually, as I will catch stuff like that. For example, because I always keep the list of names sorted alphabetically in Excel as I enter lists along the way, I will catch it if two different names are likely the same person.
It's a process, though, as it took me doing a few of these countdowns to really lock down the best way to do it to make it easier on myself and to avoid little glitches like that.
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I didn't submit a list because there are only around a dozen drummers whose playing I can say I love (to round out a top 25 I would have just been submitting names from bands I like, which didn't seem in the spirit of the thread). But if I had, this would have been my top ten, with band name and favourite drum performance in brackets:
10. Jaska Raatikainen (Children of Bodom/Kissing The Shadows)
9. Lars Ulrich (Metallica/Disposable Heroes)
8. Blake Richardson (Between The Buried And Me/Swim to the Moon)
7. Keith Moon (The Who/I Can See For Miles)
6. Nick Mason (Pink Floyd/Atom Heart Mother)
5. Danny Carey (Tool/Rosetta Stoned)
4. Phil Collins (Genesis/Fly on a Windshield)
3. Pick Withers (Dire Straits/Water of Love)
2. Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater/In The Name of God)
1. John Bonham (Led Zeppelin/When The Levee Breaks)
Jaska made my list :metal
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Nevermind, didn’t see the second page before I commented.
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My only real disappointment was that Matt Garstka didn't make the list, he is one of my favorite drummers of all time.
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Raymond? His mother doesn't even call him Raymond....
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Raymond? His mother doesn't even call him Raymond....
And that’s why everybody doesn’t love him.
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Holy crap.
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My only real disappointment was that Matt Garstka didn't make the list, he is one of my favorite drummers of all time.
It seems like djent-related music has been on the decline here (or maybe it was never super-popular?) Tosin wasn't anywhere close to making the guitarist list either. Heck, Halpern only had 10 points, and he's close to the biggest name in the scene. Garstka is on my list though, to me he's one of the grooviest and most musical chops monsters around. I watch this every few months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bRQOgRY5Bk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bRQOgRY5Bk)
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Yea he is insane, I posted this a few times but his whole live set drum cam is bananas:
https://youtu.be/FKHHPHoLXyA
And now he has a new drum video where you get to see him in the jazz context:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH0MUQt5pz4
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Bobby Jarzombek is also on there twice.
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Other observations:
Tommy Aldridge didn't get a lot of love, did he? Nor Carmen Appice? :-\
I'm surprised Jukka (Nightwish) didn't get any votes other than mine; ditto on Jonas (Evergrey)... I expected Kade would've had him there.
Who voted for DragonAttack?[/b]
That's in recognition of my great air drumming skills, going all the way back to the mid 60's ;) :lol
(I had initially written 'Ansley Dunbar', then sent in the correction. No doubt that got slid into the spreadsheet somehow. I appreciate the acknowledgement.....)
I didn't post as this went along. Life and all. Anyhoo, here's my old fogey list
25 Alex Van Halen
24 Taylor Hawkins
23 Bill Bruford
22 Alan White
21 Lenny White
20 Scott Rockenfeld
19 Terry Bozio
18 Mitch Mitchell
17 Barriemore Barlow
16 Aynsley Dunbar (Santana, Zappa, Journey, Starship, Whitesnake, Schenker, UFO etc ....thought he'd get more votes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aynsley_Dunbar)
15 Ian Paice
14 Chester Thompson
13 Bobby Robinelli
12 Alan Gratzer (REO, Brian May's Starfleet Project)
11 Mike Mangini
10 Cozy Powell
9 Mike Portnoy
8 Gene Krupa
7 Buddy Rich
6 Neil Smith (Alice Cooper)
5 Keith Moon
4 Ringo Starr
3 Roger Taylor
2 John Bonham
1 Neil Peart
9 of 25. Not surprised at Ward, Ulrich, Collins, and various Fates Warning and Iron Maiden guys making the list.
Thought Roger Taylor of Queen would come in around 60th. Nice showing at #28.
Gene Krupa deserves to be a history lesson for every fan of music.
Nice to see him and Buddy Rich get some love. My gawd....watching that man play when he'd be on 'The Tonight Show'. I made sure I stayed up well past my bed time when I knew he'd be on Johnny and get to play with his 'Orchestra'. :tup
Thanks for running this. It was (and still is) an enjoyable read. :tup
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A few random thoughts.
*I'm kind of shocked that I was the only one to vote for Peter Wildoer. I don't expect everyone else to be super familiar with Darkane, Armageddon, Pestilence, Time Requiem, and other bands he's played with, but I would have thought placing third in the DT drum auditions and playing on two JLB albums would have him on more people's radars.
*Martin Axenrot getting only 7 points despite being with Opeth for over a decade and them still being a flagship prog band is surprising, but then, Hearne and others didn't make it either.
*Maybe I'm not as surprised, but it's interesting how little of a showing the death metal gods had, with low totals for guys like Derek Roddy (even despite getting a spotlight from the DT auditions), George Kollias, John Longstreth, and no votes at all for staples like Flo Mounier and Nick Barker.
*I'm sort of surprised that Clive Burr had over double the points that Scott Travis had.
*Other djent-adjacent players continued to not perform that well, notably with Tomas Haake and the aforementioned Matt Halpern. No Jay Postones at all.
*I remember the mainstream beginner fixation on Jordison vs. Travis Barker, which Jordison wins heavily here.
*I feel bad seeing Elvin Jones with only 3 votes, but also, I didn't vote for him, so I'm partially to blame. Oh well.
*It was serendipitous seeing Budgie. Really creative player that I completely forget, who might have made my honorable mentions list.
*The biggest single snub for me is Sean Reinert, who only I voted for. Disappointed to not see any other Dirk Verbeuren or Daniel Liljekvist votes either.
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Litho: I had Roddy and Longstreth. Longstreth is insane. Also had Clive.
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Reinert just missed out being on my list dude.
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:tup
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A few random thoughts.
*I'm kind of shocked that I was the only one to vote for Peter Wildoer. I don't expect everyone else to be super familiar with Darkane, Armageddon, Pestilence, Time Requiem, and other bands he's played with, but I would have thought placing third in the DT drum auditions and playing on two JLB albums would have him on more people's radars.
*Martin Axenrot getting only 7 points despite being with Opeth for over a decade and them still being a flagship prog band is surprising, but then, Hearne and others didn't make it either.
*Maybe I'm not as surprised, but it's interesting how little of a showing the death metal gods had, with low totals for guys like Derek Roddy (even despite getting a spotlight from the DT auditions), George Kollias, John Longstreth, and no votes at all for staples like Flo Mounier and Nick Barker.
*I'm sort of surprised that Clive Burr had over double the points that Scott Travis had.
*Other djent-adjacent players continued to not perform that well, notably with Tomas Haake and the aforementioned Matt Halpern. No Jay Postones at all.
*I remember the mainstream beginner fixation on Jordison vs. Travis Barker, which Jordison wins heavily here.
*I feel bad seeing Elvin Jones with only 3 votes, but also, I didn't vote for him, so I'm partially to blame. Oh well.
*It was serendipitous seeing Budgie. Really creative player that I completely forget, who might have made my honorable mentions list.
*The biggest single snub for me is Sean Reinert, who only I voted for. Disappointed to not see any other Dirk Verbeuren or Daniel Liljekvist votes either.
I didn't send a list, but I suspect it would've had some good overlap with yours, Litho.
Definitely good calls with Verbeuren and Reinert. They would have very likely made my list. My favorite performance on a Soilwork record by Verbeuren is probably Stabbing the Drama - there's some absolutely delicious stuff going on there from a drumming standpoint. Reinert - well, he was pretty amazing. I mentioned it not long ago: Aghora's debut would be worth having (on top of being a very good record of course!) purely on the strength of the Reinert/Malone rhythm section. I might have forgotten Liljekvist, but he's so good. Very unique style.
Oh, and another one that I think only got a vote from you - Sevendust's Morgan Rose. His grooves and energy are off the charts. Purely for drumming, Seasons is probably my favorite performance of his.
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Ray Hearne 75
Raymond Hearne 14
Flag on the play.
This is why I'll leave future lists to the pro ;)
All good! You did fine, sir. :tup :tup
I know it was asked who will do bassists next, but I am thinking favorite keyboardists will be the next. :hat :hat
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I can probably do bassist, but keyboardist might be a struggle...
Wonder if Geddy will place in both :lol
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Yeah, he'd be one of the 10 keyboardists I might be able to name.
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I’m sure we have plenty of posters who would struggle to limit their list of favorite keyboardists to 25, but I’m not sure I can get to 25 without just naming every keyboardist in every band I like.
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I’m sure we have plenty of posters who would struggle to limit their list of favorite keyboardists to 25, but I’m not sure I can get to 25 without just naming every keyboardist in every band I like.
Exactly.. I'd have all 4 of the Yes players, 3 from IQ, 3 from DT....
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Yeah, I was wondering if top 15 or 20 might be the way to go on that. It would obviously include piano players as well.
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I think I would struggle with the Keyboardist after top 10....top bass players would also be tough but easier than keyboard.
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Just to check, I got 20 keyboardists but had to google most of their names. And my list didn't include the 20-30 guys who played on every prog album from the 70's and 80's. So I guess it wouldn't be quite as hard since most of the posters here will focus on those guys who did prog in the 70's and 80's.
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Yeah, I was wondering if top 15 or 20 might be the way to go on that. It would obviously include piano players as well.
Eek, I need 25 for keyboardists and 25 for pianists. Combining them down to 15 would be murder.
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Yeah, I was wondering if top 15 or 20 might be the way to go on that. It would obviously include piano players as well.
Eek, I need 25 for keyboardists and 25 for pianists. Combining them down to 15 would be murder.
Don't forget another 25 for organists and 25 for synthesizers.
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The Pan Flute will be easy.
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5. Gil Moore (Triumph) Not gonna happen ('specially if Joe/RJ didn't put him on their lists) ... I'm sorry, but in the 80s, he was as important a drummer in a Canadian three piece band (and almost as talented) as the winner of this poll. It's a shame the band fell apart in '89. Imagine if Geddy left Rush after Signals and they had disbanded ... that's essentially what happened with Triumph.
Looks like you and I were the only ones to list him. Triumph is criminally underappreciated.
Also looks like I was the only one to list John Panozzo. Bummer.
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5. Gil Moore (Triumph) Not gonna happen ('specially if Joe/RJ didn't put him on their lists) ... I'm sorry, but in the 80s, he was as important a drummer in a Canadian three piece band (and almost as talented) as the winner of this poll. It's a shame the band fell apart in '89. Imagine if Geddy left Rush after Signals and they had disbanded ... that's essentially what happened with Triumph.
Looks like you and I were the only ones to list him. Triumph is criminally underappreciated.
I wouldn't say that, I had Rik very prominently on both my guitar and vocalist list, Gil just never blew me away as a drummer.
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Same for me and I love Triumph. Saw them twice live.
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5. Gil Moore (Triumph) Not gonna happen ('specially if Joe/RJ didn't put him on their lists) ... I'm sorry, but in the 80s, he was as important a drummer in a Canadian three piece band (and almost as talented) as the winner of this poll. It's a shame the band fell apart in '89. Imagine if Geddy left Rush after Signals and they had disbanded ... that's essentially what happened with Triumph.
Looks like you and I were the only ones to list him. Triumph is criminally underappreciated.
I wouldn't say that, I had Rik very prominently on both my guitar and vocalist list, Gil just never blew me away as a drummer.
Even so (and, while Emmett fared better, he still didn't do well on either list), I still think my premise is valid.
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That's because the fogeys are outnumbered here on a prog rock forum. Lol
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Gil Moore would have made my top 25 for sure in my younger days, but not anymore. He was good, but nothing special, and I rarely listen to Triumph anymore.
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5. Gil Moore (Triumph) Not gonna happen ('specially if Joe/RJ didn't put him on their lists) ... I'm sorry, but in the 80s, he was as important a drummer in a Canadian three piece band (and almost as talented) as the winner of this poll. It's a shame the band fell apart in '89. Imagine if Geddy left Rush after Signals and they had disbanded ... that's essentially what happened with Triumph.
I would say that this might be a bit strong, but your point is well taken. There was as much Triumph being played on the radio as there was Rush, but even in the early 80's it still felt like Triumph was still a notch or two below Rush.
I wouldn't put Gil Moore anywhere near Neil Peart. If anything, I'd say Gil held Triumph back in both drumming and vocals.
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Thinking about a keyboardist list, and it is funny how often there seems to be a lot of turnover in bands who have keyboardists. I don’t think I’d have a hard time listing 25 but I probably wouldn’t be too passionate about them. Now bassists I think would be a lot more to go in in making a list. Love me some bassists.
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Freddie Mercury would edge out him and Little Richard by the skin of his teeth! 😉😀
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Freddie Mercury would edge out him and Little Richard by the skin of his teeth! 😉😀
Let's leave skin and teeth out of this conversation. :lol
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5. Gil Moore (Triumph) Not gonna happen ('specially if Joe/RJ didn't put him on their lists) ... I'm sorry, but in the 80s, he was as important a drummer in a Canadian three piece band (and almost as talented) as the winner of this poll. It's a shame the band fell apart in '89. Imagine if Geddy left Rush after Signals and they had disbanded ... that's essentially what happened with Triumph.
I would say that this might be a bit strong, but your point is well taken. There was as much Triumph being played on the radio as there was Rush, but even in the early 80's it still felt like Triumph was still a notch or two below Rush.
I wouldn't put Gil Moore anywhere near Neil Peart. If anything, I'd say Gil held Triumph back in both drumming and vocals.
Yeah, for me Triumph's appeal was 99% Rik, and there's no way the band could've survived without him.
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Ironic, since he was the last addition to the band. It really was Gil’s band.
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25 Bill Bruford (Reasonable chance, depending.)
24 Lee Kerslake - Ozzy Osbourne (No chance in hell; there are other drummers IN HIS BAND that might, though.)
23 Roger Taylor - Queen (He's either going to be in someone's top ten or not on the list, so probably won't make the final.)
22 Phil Rudd - AC/DC (No chance. I might take some crap for this one.)
21 Tim Alexander - Primus (No chance; most people won't know who he is.)
20 Liberty DeVito - Billy Joel (No chance.)
19 Zak Starkey - The Who/Oasis (No chance (part of what will possibly be the only "father/son" pair on anyone's list)
18 Bill Kreutzmann - The Grateful Dead (No chance, due to this band being a pariah around here.)
17 Ian Mosely - Marillion (60-40 he makes it.)
16 Ian Paice - Deep Purple/Whitesnake (Probably no chance, but a crying shame. The man is a mule.)
15. Matt Cameron - Soundgarden/Temple Of The Dog/Pearl Jam (Slim chance; he is arguably my vote for best drummer in his genre, though there's another guy that gets all the press.)
14 Chester Thompson - Genesis/Frank Zappa (One of three guys from a certain band to make my list; probably won't make the final.)
13 Keith Moon (90% lock)
12 Carl Palmer - ELP/Asia (100% lock)
11 Clive Burr - Iron Maiden (Slim chance; the other guy who replaced him has a better shot.)
10 Charlie Watts - The Rolling Stones (Should be a 100% lock; this forum? 50-50 at best.)
9 Cozy Powell (I submitted my predictions AFTER this)
8 Nicko McBrain No. 11's "other guy". Should be 70-30 to make it.
7 Brad Carlson (Bun E. Carlos) - Cheap Trick (Sadly, no chance.)
6 Bill Ward (Sadly, probably no chance; he's a pale shell of his former self, but some of his early live work is incendiary.)
5 Ringo Starr (SHOULD BE 100% lock.)
4 Mike Portnoy - Dream Theater/87 Other Bands (100% lock)
3 John Bonham (100% lock)
2 Phil Collins (100% lock)
1 Neil Peart - Rush (100% lock and my guess for Number One overall.)
Really, my top four is pretty interchangeable. Neil was always going to be number one. I wanted to give some love to Phil Collins, so I put him at two. I think even Mike would put Bonham ahead of him. But number four is no dig on the Man. He's such a part of my musical life, it's not even funny. Other than the Metal Allegiance, I've supported everything he's done, and other than MA, Adrenaline Mob and Winery Dogs, I actively listen to his work more than basically anyone on this list. One of the very few MUSICIANS (Blackmore is the other) that I go see regardless of what the actual band or music is. I just love watching him play his instrument.
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Nice.. Another mention of Paice... It says a lot that of all the Japanese drummers I follow, most of them name him as an inspiration. That speaks volumes.
Also I knew someone had to mention a Dead drummer, even though I had the other one.
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Thanks for running, this, Karolis!
Here is my obligatory list, with picks that made the final list bolded:
1 John Bonham
2 Mike Portnoy
3 Neil Peart
4 Vinnie Colaiuta
5 Steve Gadd
6 Chester Thompson
7 Kenny Aronoff
8 Mike Mangini
9 Bill Bruford
10 Billy Cobham
11 Jeff Porcaro
12 Carter Beauford
13 Danny Carey
14 Larry Mullen Jr.
15 Tony Williams
16 Virgil Donati
17 Dennis Chambers
18 Bernard Purdie
19 Max Weinberg
20 Ginger Baker
21 Gavin Harrison
22 Stewart Copeland
23 Clyde Stubblefield (James Brown)
24 Marco Minneman
25 Jerome “Bigfoot” Brailey (George Clinton)
I also had Alex Van Halen at # 36, and Keith Moon at # 38.
Someone mentioned Dave Weckl, who is an absolute monster. I had him ranked at # 35, but probably underranked on my part.
My biggest surprises that didn't make the final are Vinnie Colaiuta and Jeff Porcaro, given the makeup of the forum here.
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Nice to see the Mighty Max there, hef. A real powerhouse of a drummer.
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Nice to see the Mighty Max there, hef. A real powerhouse of a drummer.
He was my first favorite drummer.
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I’m sure we have plenty of posters who would struggle to limit their list of favorite keyboardists to 25, but I’m not sure I can get to 25 without just naming every keyboardist in every band I like.
Exactly.. I'd have all 4 of the Yes players, 3 from IQ, 3 from DT....
My god, no. Tony Kaye doesn't belong anywhere NEAR a list like that! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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24. Manu Katche. Not surprised, but damn, his work with Sting and Peter Gabriel is amazing.
Glad someone else showed some love for Manu....
He's awesome on the stuff I've heard with Peter Gabriel, but I think this is a case of him not playing on enough material I actively listen to. I had forgotten that he played on some of Sting's album, so I didn't factor that in.
He is awesome, and was considered for my list, as well, but the notion that he played for two SOLO artists that are so exacting about all facets of their work kind of made me rethink him. He has a lovely sound, though.
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Nice.. Another mention of Paice... It says a lot that of all the Japanese drummers I follow, most of them name him as an inspiration. That speaks volumes.
Also I knew someone had to mention a Dead drummer, even though I had the other one.
I only picked Bill because he had that run where he was the only guy. I know Mickey is more into the percussion side of things, and Bill is the more straightforward rock drummer, but to be the only guy in a band of excess like the Dead and hold his own, I thought that was worth a vote!! :)
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Thanks for running, this, Karolis!
Here is my obligatory list, with picks that made the final list bolded:
1 John Bonham
2 Mike Portnoy
3 Neil Peart
4 Vinnie Colaiuta
5 Steve Gadd
6 Chester Thompson
7 Kenny Aronoff
8 Mike Mangini
9 Bill Bruford
10 Billy Cobham
11 Jeff Porcaro
12 Carter Beauford
13 Danny Carey
14 Larry Mullen Jr.
15 Tony Williams
16 Virgil Donati
17 Dennis Chambers
18 Bernard Purdie
19 Max Weinberg
20 Ginger Baker
21 Gavin Harrison
22 Stewart Copeland
23 Clyde Stubblefield (James Brown)
24 Marco Minneman
25 Jerome “Bigfoot” Brailey (George Clinton)
I also had Alex Van Halen at # 36, and Keith Moon at # 38.
Someone mentioned Dave Weckl, who is an absolute monster. I had him ranked at # 35, but probably underranked on my part.
My biggest surprises that didn't make the final are Vinnie Colaiuta and Jeff Porcaro, given the makeup of the forum here.
Oh, I should have thought of Max Weinberg. Don’t have any interest in Bruce, but loved watching him play on Conan growing up.
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Biggest shock for me was Carl Palmer. Should have made it. I wish there was more love for Bun E. Carlos. Those first four or so Cheap Trick records are brilliant, and subversive in their own way, and a big part of that was Bun E. I don't know the terminology because I'm not a drummer, but he had a unique way of playing with Rick (Nielson, guitar) that was unusual. Instead of the traditional boom, PAH, boom, PAH of rock drummers (bass, snare, bass, snare) he had a knack for starting off on the snare and following with the bass (PAH, boom, boom). Probably not earthshattering, but for a band like Cheap Trick it was different enough. Plus, "Live At Budokan". He's a monster on that.
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Palmer is great, no doubt. Just not a "favorite" enough for me to include.
Never considered Bun E. Carlos, because I've never liked Cheap Trick.
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Nice.. Another mention of Paice... It says a lot that of all the Japanese drummers I follow, most of them name him as an inspiration. That speaks volumes.
Also I knew someone had to mention a Dead drummer, even though I had the other one.
I only picked Bill because he had that run where he was the only guy. I know Mickey is more into the percussion side of things, and Bill is the more straightforward rock drummer, but to be the only guy in a band of excess like the Dead and hold his own, I thought that was worth a vote!! :)
They're both worthy of mention, anyone who's seen a space segment of a Dead show would recognize that, I just didn't have space for two so I flipped a mental coin.
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Did you know Bun E. Carlos could paly the drums righty and lefty? There are shows on Youtube where he does so.
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Did you know Bun E. Carlos could paly the drums righty and lefty? There are shows on Youtube where he does so.
I searched paly the drums and well.. nothing came up.
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A few random thoughts.
*I'm kind of shocked that I was the only one to vote for Peter Wildoer. I don't expect everyone else to be super familiar with Darkane, Armageddon, Pestilence, Time Requiem, and other bands he's played with, but I would have thought placing third in the DT drum auditions and playing on two JLB albums would have him on more people's radars.
*Martin Axenrot getting only 7 points despite being with Opeth for over a decade and them still being a flagship prog band is surprising, but then, Hearne and others didn't make it either.
*Maybe I'm not as surprised, but it's interesting how little of a showing the death metal gods had, with low totals for guys like Derek Roddy (even despite getting a spotlight from the DT auditions), George Kollias, John Longstreth, and no votes at all for staples like Flo Mounier and Nick Barker.
*I'm sort of surprised that Clive Burr had over double the points that Scott Travis had.
*Other djent-adjacent players continued to not perform that well, notably with Tomas Haake and the aforementioned Matt Halpern. No Jay Postones at all.
*I remember the mainstream beginner fixation on Jordison vs. Travis Barker, which Jordison wins heavily here.
*I feel bad seeing Elvin Jones with only 3 votes, but also, I didn't vote for him, so I'm partially to blame. Oh well.
*It was serendipitous seeing Budgie. Really creative player that I completely forget, who might have made my honorable mentions list.
*The biggest single snub for me is Sean Reinert, who only I voted for. Disappointed to not see any other Dirk Verbeuren or Daniel Liljekvist votes either.
I made a list but totally forgot to submit. I share a lot of your random thoughts:
Overall: suprised about the average age of the drummers that made the list. Expected guys like Hearne and Kolstad in top 25.
Also surprised Porcaro and Philips didn't make it.
Djent: Had Garstka, Haake and Postones.
Death: Thought about Kolias. Had Jamie Saint Merat (Ulcerate) on top of my list. Duplantier could be there as well.
Snub: Had Reinert on my list.
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Did you know Bun E. Carlos could paly the drums righty and lefty? There are shows on Youtube where he does so.
I searched paly the drums and well.. nothing came up.
Looks like the video was taken down but they have it in his bio here.
https://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Bun_E_Carlos.html
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Did you know Bun E. Carlos could paly the drums righty and lefty? There are shows on Youtube where he does so.
I searched paly the drums and well.. nothing came up.
Looks like the video was taken down but they have it in his bio here.
https://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Bun_E_Carlos.html
:facepalm:
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:lol
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What? Lol. I've seen his drums set up and played lefty and righty. Look yourself you lazy old curmudgeon! Lol
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Don't ever change Joe. We love you.
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Lol. It's true though. I love Cheap Trick. Never saw him do it live myself but I did see it on YouTube a few times.
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He still doesn't see it.
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He still doesn't see it.
He's beautiful, isn't he?
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I didn't mean they have the video in the bio but they talk in the bio that he is ambidextrous.
You happy now heffy! :lol
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Spell check Joe. Spell check.
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Seems like an appropriate place to drop this.
Nick D'Virgilio breaks down "5 great drum intros in rock n' roll."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn8JvW20iVE
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I didn't mean they have the video in the bio but they talk in the bio that he is ambidextrous.
You happy now heffy! :lol
I'm almost always happy.
Doubly so when interacting with you, o king. :biggrin:
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I didn't mean they have the video in the bio but they talk in the bio that he is ambidextrous.
You happy now heffy! :lol
I'm almost always happy.
Doubly so when interacting with you, o king. :biggrin:
Love you too Heffy.
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24. Manu Katche. Not surprised, but damn, his work with Sting and Peter Gabriel is amazing.
Glad someone else showed some love for Manu....
He's awesome on the stuff I've heard with Peter Gabriel, but I think this is a case of him not playing on enough material I actively listen to. I had forgotten that he played on some of Sting's album, so I didn't factor that in.
He is awesome, and was considered for my list, as well, but the notion that he played for two SOLO artists that are so exacting about all facets of their work kind of made me rethink him. He has a lovely sound, though.
Manu Katche made my list largely on the strength of his performances on Secret World Live, Sting’s The Soul Cages, and Badman’s Song from Tears For Fears. The way he plays both with and against the drum loops on Secret World Live is awesome, and he really seems to get the freedom to do as he pleases in that setting. On The Soul Cages, he’s really laying down some solid grooves, but he’s also painting with drums, if that makes sense. Check out the song “The Wild Wild Sea.” His drumming here helps paint the picture of the sea going from calm to “wild,” primarily using his toms and cymbals to create the effect. Brilliant stuff.
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24. Manu Katche. Not surprised, but damn, his work with Sting and Peter Gabriel is amazing.
Glad someone else showed some love for Manu....
He's awesome on the stuff I've heard with Peter Gabriel, but I think this is a case of him not playing on enough material I actively listen to. I had forgotten that he played on some of Sting's album, so I didn't factor that in.
He is awesome, and was considered for my list, as well, but the notion that he played for two SOLO artists that are so exacting about all facets of their work kind of made me rethink him. He has a lovely sound, though.
Manu Katche made my list largely on the strength of his performances on Secret World Live, Sting’s The Soul Cages, and Badman’s Song from Tears For Fears. The way he plays both with and against the drum loops on Secret World Live is awesome, and he really seems to get the freedom to do as he pleases in that setting. On The Soul Cages, he’s really laying down some solid grooves, but he’s also painting with drums, if that makes sense. Check out the song “The Wild Wild Sea.” His drumming here helps paint the picture of the sea going from calm to “wild,” primarily using his toms and cymbals to create the effect. Brilliant stuff.
Yep, this is pretty much the exact reasoning for why he was on my list as well. Though everything he's done with PG is great (not just on Secret World Live).