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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: KevShmev on April 08, 2023, 11:30:39 AM
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Feels like we needed a proper thread so those of us watching in real time can discuss it without giving spoilers to those in the big TV thread who maybe aren't caught up yet or still plan to watch.
My hunch is the series ends with Logan's death, but there will be no real winners. The kids are always all getting in each other's way, so it is hard to see any of them having a truly good ending, but as this is not a feel-good show, a happy/good ending wouldn't feel right anyway.
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With the decision they wanted to end the show coming during post production, I'm not sure it will end with Logan's death seeing as the cast were expecting to be back for another season. I rewatched the whole show recently and I somehow missed during the ending of season 3 that Tom was the central character setting up the betrayal.
Also bringing up some of the discussion from the other TV thread here
Yeah, perhaps there are legal reasons to not explicitly acknowledge the Murdoch family, but it sure is easy to draw comparisons.
Regarding this point about Succession, I was recently reading a fascinating book that’s the oral history of HBO and they spoke on this point. Years ago the original premise was based more solely on the Murdochs but one of the things that helped advance the show actually getting made was the showrunner’s realization that he should make The Roys a pastiche of many media/wealthy families, not just the Murdochs.
Even so, they were still worried as the pilot was being shot (not about being sued) but that it was was too Murdoch and Brit-centric for American audiences to “get it.” Then they said that while filming the baseball game scene in the pilot, some of the extras were overheard to be saying things like “oh this rich family is like the Trumps or The Kennedys” — and that’s when they knew that they were hitting their mark of transcending just the Murdochs.
Thinking of it I guess it makes sense, but they also do specifically borrow real life incidents from the Murdoch family hence the comparison. But I get it that by and large it's meant to portray that wealth.
No, I agree with you… and the book said as well that the original script treatment was essentially the Murdochs — but that they realized they could go beyond that and include lots of media/celebrity family references. I have no doubt a ton of Murdoch stuff is in the show as it stands. In fact, they were worried it might still be too Murdoch-centric — but audiences looked at the show, and considering its timing when it debuted, saw other families like the Trumps too.
Also this scene from season 1 always makes me laugh esp Tom.
https://youtu.be/JDCZiDDj4NA?t=64
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Tonight's episode...woah.
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Right? Talk about the shit is about to hit the fan.
They did an excellent job on that episode though, really solid television all around.
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WTF Goddamn was I so wrong. Excellent amazing episode.
HBO and wedding episodes. Man.
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I love this happening so early in the last season, because now we will see a race to the finish as everyone starts making moves to try and grab as much power and control as they can. Should be fascinating to see how this plays out.
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Yeah did not see that coming and very surprised how early in the season it was done. In fact.... spoiler below
Brian Cox doesn't have any dialog after the theme song. All his scenes are done before the song begins.
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So my mom was in the middle of S3 the last time I talked to her a few days ago. I get home from my meeting last night around 7:30 and go to watch it. I literally hit play and recieve a text from her saying "Just finished the episode where Logan Roy dies. Didn't realize we were in the 4th season."
I'm all... "Mom... I haven't watched it yet..."
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Oh damn, that sucks.
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:lol
It's the little things that make my mother so endearing :heart
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Last night's episode was a master class in acting. Having gone through a similar incident with my sister (minus the plane and the yacht) not too long ago, it was difficult to watch. But the siblings hit all the right notes of disbelief and desperation. Up until this episode I was fairly lukewarm to the new season. I'm fully in now, that's for fucking sure.
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Last night's episode was a master class in acting. Having gone through a similar incident with my sister (minus the plane and the yacht) not too long ago, it was difficult to watch. But the siblings hit all the right notes of disbelief and desperation. Up until this episode I was fairly lukewarm to the new season. I'm fully in now, that's for fucking sure.
That moment when Shiv went from her authoritative 'dad' to a young girl pleading for 'daddy' fucking crushed me. So well done.
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Damn, I can't stop thinking about that episode. I really want to watch it again. And I never do that. I just feel like I was in sort of a state of shock while watching it and so I missed some bits.
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Awesome episode and just a brilliant show. From about half way through season 1 I have absolutely loved this show. Can't wait to see what happens now as that was very unexpected, of course it was coming at some stage but the timing was a surprise.
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What a difference from binge watching to catch up, as opposed to week by week. :tup Gave us the opportunity to watch it a second time and read plenty of reviews. About how the phone call was close to one continuously filmed scene, other comments about Tom, Shiv's hair, their outfits, Connor, the 'Greglettes' etc.
Rewatching also gave us chances to pause, absorb, and discuss all the nuances of that show.
A 'Ned Stark' episode. Geez, weddings on HBO sure don't go well for the participants :lol
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What a difference from binge watching to catch up, as opposed to week by week. :tup Gave us the opportunity to watch it a second time and read plenty of reviews. About how the phone call was close to one continuously filmed scene, other comments about Tom, Shiv's hair, their outfits, Connor, the 'Greglettes' etc.
Rewatching also gave us chances to pause, absorb, and discuss all the nuances of that show.
A 'Ned Stark' episode. Geez, weddings on HBO sure don't go well for the participants :lol
Even tom/Shiv's wedding, and mom's wedding were shit shows. :lol
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They said the scene with the siblings on the phone with Tom was originally supposed to be just the siblings on screen for 90% of it to where we mostly would have just heard Tom's voice on the phone or speaker, but Matthew Macfadyen did such a brilliant performance with his part that they ended up showing a lot more of him and the others on the plane that had been planned.
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:heart
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They said the scene with the siblings on the phone with Tom was originally supposed to be just the siblings on screen for 90% of it to where we mostly would have just heard Tom's voice on the phone or speaker, but Matthew Macfadyen did such a brilliant performance with his part that they ended up showing a lot more of him and the others on the plane that had been planned.
Man, I can't get enough of him (Matthew Macfadyen) on this show. The importance of the Tom-Greg chemistry really can't be overstated. There are plenty of other great comic moments involving neither of them, but I think the balance would be way off without those two.
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Fantastic follow up and now we get to see how the power struggle ensues.
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I suspect Ken will become the killer his dad was by the end of the series, making it a true "like father, like son" succession. Burning the old man now that he is gone is totally something Logan would have done. That's a good start.
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Well I am betting the very large 'skeleton in Ken's closet' will come out to bite him at some point. Is going to be really interesting to see what happens from here.
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Tom and Shiv picking at each other last night was a riot, and I love the power plan she is devising behind the back of her brothers. Shiv is gonna emerge from all this as THE power player.
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Well I am betting the very large 'skeleton in Ken's closet' will come out to bite him at some point. Is going to be really interesting to see what happens from here.
Who all knows about that aside from his siblings?
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Well I am betting the very large 'skeleton in Ken's closet' will come out to bite him at some point. Is going to be really interesting to see what happens from here.
Who all knows about that aside from his siblings?
The dude in the jeans—what's his name? The guard. I think he knows. Not that I expect him to do anything with that information.
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Well I am betting the very large 'skeleton in Ken's closet' will come out to bite him at some point. Is going to be really interesting to see what happens from here.
Who all knows about that aside from his siblings?
The dude in the jeans—what's his name? The guard. I think he knows. Not that I expect him to do anything with that information.
Yeah Colin (the bodyguard) knows. However, the siblings will most likely turn on each other so will see what happens. Shiv was making her own powerplay in the latest episode as Kev mentioned while the CEO-Bros fell apart. I think Shiv would use anything she could to get to the top and she is loaded up with ammo - even aware of Maddson sending his frozen blood to an employee.
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Man, I just cringe so hard when Ken goes into his manic modes... He's just so damn awkward. Mad props to the actor for just nailing that vibe.
I figure the serious this will hit the fan in EP8, with two episodes for cleanup. They're definitely getting all the pieces in place. The whole shit-canning of Gerry was a stroke of genius, she probably has the most dirt on everyone.
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I hope Gerry takes Roman down hard. He deserves it.
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How awesome were 'the clouds'. That was hilarious, and as much as I love Barry, this was the funniest overall moment of both of those shows latest episodes.
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So if anyone was curious about my current culinary gig, if you notice in this show how every time there's any sort of a meeting or event there's always food, that's what I do. From small continental breakfasts to high end events, all for a very prestigious law firm in Silicon valley.
And about 75% of the food goes uneaten.
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So if anyone was curious about my current culinary gig, if you notice in this show how every time there's any sort of a meeting or event there's always food, that's what I do. From small continental breakfasts to high end events, all for a very prestigious law firm in Silicon valley.
And about 75% of the food goes uneaten.
It's funny that you mentioned this. These last few episodes I really noticed all that food in the background and thought to myself, "I bet nobody ever eats that shit." Except for....was it Hugo filling his plate in Norway? :D
So what do you do with that food waste? Can you donate it or do you have to dump it?
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So if anyone was curious about my current culinary gig, if you notice in this show how every time there's any sort of a meeting or event there's always food, that's what I do. From small continental breakfasts to high end events, all for a very prestigious law firm in Silicon valley.
And about 75% of the food goes uneaten.
It's funny that you mentioned this. These last few episodes I really noticed all that food in the background and thought to myself, "I bet nobody ever eats that shit." Except for....was it Hugo filling his plate in Norway? :D
So what do you do with that food waste? Can you donate it or do you have to dump it?
We have to dump it, after it sits out in the temperature danger zone for a few hours, it's too unsafe to donate. Plus my account is too small to really have leftovers. My company also handles one of the Facebook campuses, and they donate shit tons of food to local food banks daily. Their overage is just insane.
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So if anyone was curious about my current culinary gig, if you notice in this show how every time there's any sort of a meeting or event there's always food, that's what I do. From small continental breakfasts to high end events, all for a very prestigious law firm in Silicon valley.
And about 75% of the food goes uneaten.
It's funny that you mentioned this. These last few episodes I really noticed all that food in the background and thought to myself, "I bet nobody ever eats that shit." Except for....was it Hugo filling his plate in Norway? :D
So what do you do with that food waste? Can you donate it or do you have to dump it?
We have to dump it, after it sits out in the temperature danger zone for a few hours, it's too unsafe to donate. Plus my account is too small to really have leftovers. My company also handles one of the Facebook campuses, and they donate shit tons of food to local food banks daily. Their overage is just insane.
Food waste is such a huge problem. Even on a personal level, with everything being so expensive now especially, I try very hard not to waste food. I do understand that certain types of food cannot be donated but certainly things like bagels and crackers and some fruits could be.
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So if anyone was curious about my current culinary gig, if you notice in this show how every time there's any sort of a meeting or event there's always food, that's what I do. From small continental breakfasts to high end events, all for a very prestigious law firm in Silicon valley.
And about 75% of the food goes uneaten.
It's funny that you mentioned this. These last few episodes I really noticed all that food in the background and thought to myself, "I bet nobody ever eats that shit." Except for....was it Hugo filling his plate in Norway? :D
So what do you do with that food waste? Can you donate it or do you have to dump it?
We have to dump it, after it sits out in the temperature danger zone for a few hours, it's too unsafe to donate. Plus my account is too small to really have leftovers. My company also handles one of the Facebook campuses, and they donate shit tons of food to local food banks daily. Their overage is just insane.
Food waste is such a huge problem. Even on a personal level, with everything being so expensive now especially, I try very hard not to waste food. I do understand that certain types of food cannot be donated but certainly things like bagels and crackers and some fruits could be.
Stuff like that gets put into the service kitchen, and then they send out an all staff email and the support staff come and devour it like wolves.
They love their free food. :lol
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I have no idea what this show is about, but chiming in to say I worked at a company that managed retreat/reception facilities in college, and the amount of catered food I saw tossed was astounding. The plus side was that I never bought groceries because I was surrounded by food. The downside is that when I quit after a few years, I was up about 30-40 pounds. 6 months after leaving I dropped at least 20 as I had to go back to eating like a normal person.
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Just chiming in as to unsold bagels: I arranged for a local 'Loaves & Fishes' to get them at a local bagel store two days a week. Rules don't allow them to store overnight, so pickups had to be arranged for a ten minute window at the end of the day. Eventually we could not guarantee pick ups, so we took our name off the list for those specific days. Same with Einstein Bagels for a high school food pantry I co chaired for a couple of years. That was pre pandemic. It's just not as easy as it seems.
Getting back to the show, this was a good one of the HBO Fans Fbook page :tup :lol
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Good God, if words could kill this episode would be like the red wedding episode.
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Brilliant episode, just so much packed into it and a ton of amazing dialogue. The Shiv vs Tom scene was epic.
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Brilliant episode, just so much packed into it and a ton of amazing dialogue. The Shiv vs Tom scene was epic.
Yeah, that scene was unbelievable. I think what I really appreciate about this one, it's how that type of shit would go down in real life. A lot of TV arguments have purpose or direction, but we all know in real life, they devolve into who can hurt who more, and that's exactly how this one went. And the acting, damn man, just amazing.
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For a split second after the Tom v Shiv scene, I thought Tom was going to jump.
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Brilliant episode, just so much packed into it and a ton of amazing dialogue. The Shiv vs Tom scene was epic.
Yeah, that scene was unbelievable. I think what I really appreciate about this one, it's how that type of shit would go down in real life. A lot of TV arguments have purpose or direction, but we all know in real life, they devolve into who can hurt who more, and that's exactly how this one went. And the acting, damn man, just amazing.
Yes, just brilliant acting. If anyone listens to the official HBO podcast on the show, this week Matthew Macfadyen (who plays Tom) is a guest and just hearing him talk normally and be himself just shows how amazing he is at playing this role.
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Yeah, Matthew Macfadyen does an awesome job. It's an extremely well acted show across the board, yet he still stands out. That's how good he is.
And yeah, that Shiv/Tom scene was awesome. Her careless delivery of the "I don't even like you" line was so cold. And it may come back to bite her, as Tom knows she is/was working with Mattson against her brothers, and I suspect he will find a work to work that to his advantage.
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Yeah, Matthew Macfadyen does an awesome job. It's an extremely well acted show across the board, yet he still stands out. That's how good he is.
And yeah, that Shiv/Tom scene was awesome. Her careless delivery of the "I don't even like you" line was so cold. And it may come back to bite her, as Tom knows she is/was working with Mattson against her brothers, and I suspect he will find a work to work that to his advantage.
Her delivery of that line gave me traumatic flashbacks to the brutal arguments with my ex before our divorce over 20 years ago,that's how good she delivered it :lol
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Well that was a brilliant shit show. So how long till Shiv throws Ken under the bus with the whole 'you killed someone' bit?
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Well that was a brilliant shit show. So how long till Shiv throws Ken under the bus with the whole 'you killed someone' bit?
Yep, gotta think that's bound to happen, given the direction things are going...
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Well that was a brilliant shit show. So how long till Shiv throws Ken under the bus with the whole 'you killed someone' bit?
Yep, gotta think that's bound to happen, given the direction things are going...
they can't just let that one go without serious consequences.
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Obvious best comedic bit of the episode is Greg arguing "it's medicinal...it's not too lemon-y!" in the wasabi scene :biggrin:
I was starting to wonder why they were not-so-subtly showing him eating the sushi at the table in a couple of shots...and sure enough...
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Phenomenal episode last night and every previous night before this entire season. Rewatching this season will be a joy. Another two left and the siblings are showing cracks. Tom and Shiv have such great scenes together, I like that little touch Tom does when Shiv says she's pregnant by glancing at her belly for a second.
Greg and his shenanigans still remain highly amusing.
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Phenomenal episode last night and every previous night before this entire season. Rewatching this season will be a joy. Another two left and the siblings are showing cracks. Tom and Shiv have such great scenes together, I like that little touch Tom does when Shiv says she's pregnant by glancing at her belly for a second.
Talk about payback for the 'I don't even like you' line...
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I almost felt bad for Shiv. Almost. She was flailing for much of that episode, and the way Roman was mocking her after she was busted when she was literally about to lose it was brutal. In the first few seasons, Tom would have given in and accepted her apology and blindly gone along with her, but it's clear any feelings he had for here are pretty much gone now. Even when she apologized at the start of the convo, he was like, "sure," and kept looking down at his phone like her apology meant nothing to him, and then threw at her that she helped kill Logan followed by questioning whether her pregnancy reveal was real or not.
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The latest episode was pretty brutal, it kind of felt a bit like a horror story. Roman was so all in one-way, Shiv the other and then Kendall had some serious doubts. Connor had a great cameo and Greg as always provided some comic relief but the overall undercurrent was very scary seeing the influence of the media play out like that.
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I read some comments about last week's episode in regards to feeling 'PTSD' throughout. That sums up how the wife and I felt. Not sure if we're going to rewatch before tonight's episode.
This series could do a whole other season just to do a full in depth recap of all the resulting 'sh*t storms' that could/would come from the (mis)deeds of Year 4.
The wife and I went to see 'A Doll's House' on Broadway this week, partially because Arian Moayed ('Stewy') was the male lead. Here he's getting ready to sign Mrs. DA's playbill
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with lead Jessica Chastain
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It seems unlikely that next week's series finale will be totally satisfying given where everything is at the moment, but it should be interesting. It is setting up as Ken vs Shiv duking it out to see who wins and gets ATM, but I suspect it won't be that simple. Roman has shown himself to be way in over his head in many ways now and is merely a sideshow.
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Another stellar episode in a long list of stellar episodes this season. Some of the subreddit for Succession is set on thinking Greg is the darkhorse in all of this, I'm not sure the show goes in that direction. And if it does it will be done in the flow of the show. Either way, Roman's breakdown was very intriguing and how it loses him power and pull is going to be interesting.
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I'm really not sure at this point how Greg can really be a major factor in this. It isn't that kind of show to have some major twist just happen. As Kev said above, it looks like a battle between Kendall and Shiv and we will most likely see Ken's dark secret and the death of the waiter being made public to try and discredit him. It was great to see Colin back and Kendall trying to get him onside as he knows all the secrets.
Roman has been exposed as very damaged and immature, which he is. It is ok to break down and cry at a funeral but not that funeral and at that moment. He fully exposed himself as weak and he knows it. I can't see him coming back at all from here.
Star of the episode was the mansoleum Logan purchased at auction for 'only' $5m and Connor also being willing to be laid to rest there.
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I still don't think we will hear about Ken's involvement in the waiter's death (even though Shiv knows about it, she doesn't know the details).
What cannot be ignored is that Matsson doesn't seem to really like Shiv, so I could see him using her to get what he wants and then reneging on any promise to make her the American figurehead boss. Maybe he will give it to Greg and make him his puppet. :lol :lol
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I still don't think we will hear about Ken's involvement in the waiter's death (even though Shiv knows about it, she doesn't know the details).
What cannot be ignored is that Matsson doesn't seem to really like Shiv, so I could see him using her to get what he wants and then reneging on any promise to make her the American figurehead boss. Maybe he will give it to Greg and make him his puppet. :lol :lol
I don't see any reason for Colin to come back into the show unless it is going to come out.
In terms of Matsson shafting Shiv I do think there is a very good chance of that happening.
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Wow, what an episode, the acting of the 3 siblings is so top notch.
Roman's done...between his breakdown at the funeral and then trying to take on libs at the end, I'm shocked he only got one elbow to the face. It is between Ken and Shiv. I honestly don't think they got enough time in one episode to drop the 'ken killed a guy' card and have that play out to his discrediting in a fashion the show is capable of, it could only be a rush job at this point. Really not sure where they're gonna hang this one tbh...
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Good ending.
I can't say I am surprised that Shiv flipped on Ken, who ends the series a totally broken man with all the money he will never need and no real relationships of any kind with family or friends.
Shiv will still be able to work with Tom enough to have power under the new regime and make sure their offspring is set up years down the line.
I still found it amazing how much everyone working against each other was so open to blabbing about what they were doing to anybody and everybody.
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Great episode, it was exhausting!
As predicted, Ken killing a kid came out from Shiv but didn't play out as I expected it to, however it was still the key piece in bringing Ken down in the end.
I wasn't expecting it to be Tom but it actually did make sense in the end, was pretty sure it wasn't going to Greg as that would have been a bridge too far.
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Fantastic episode to cap an amazing series. So many thoughts, that siblings' scene in the kitchen was my favorite of the episode.
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Brilliant finish... Will probably watch it again tomorrow to take it in, it was quite a maelstrom and I was a bit tired and couldn't keep up, but so well done.
And yeah, the Meal fit for a King bit was amazing.
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Yeah, just so much to take in on one viewing, will watch again for sure.
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Yeah, just so much to take in on one viewing, will watch again for sure.
Thanks for saying this...I was feeling like I was getting old and couldn't keep up with a tv show :rollin
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Great episode, it was exhausting!
As predicted, Ken killing a kid came out from Shiv but didn't play out as I expected it to, however it was still the key piece in bringing Ken down in the end.
I wasn't expecting it to be Tom but it actually did make sense in the end, was pretty sure it wasn't going to Greg as that would have been a bridge too far.
I don't think Shiv was changing her mind at that point, but once Ken lied and said he made up that story, it was a done deal. I'll have to re-watch it to see if I missed some of the chatter, but I almost think Roman would have changed his vote right then and there had he had the opportunity.
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Caught up with the whole series in time for the finale last night. Kendall screaming "I'm the eldest boy" futilely in the conference room with Shiv and Roman feels like the most appropriate climax this show could offer. Masterful job last night (as always) from the actors playing all three of the siblings.
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Yep, it was a great finale...nothing shocking for the sake of being shocking and, in a way, the only logical way this particular story could end...
I also liked that Kendall's "secret" was brought up by Shiv not in some unrealistic last-ditch substantive way to block him, but more as an added element of "you seriously can't think you should be the CEO of the company" (on top of the more general "you just wouldn't be good at it")
For sure one of my favorite shows in the last few years. My wife and I will likely to a re-watch of the whole thing in the near future