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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: KevShmev on March 28, 2023, 06:13:43 PM
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Alright, because I knew many were wanting this following the critical success of the favorite singers countdown last fall :P, let's do a countdown for favorite guitarists*.
*Note that I am obviously not talking about bass guitarists, for anyone who wants to get cute about it. ;)
I will count down the 25 guitarists in order, and they will be taken from lists of anyone who wants to send me theirs via PM. Do not post them on the forum here. Send them to me via PM. I will take all of the lists and come up with the cumulative list and do the countdown from 25 to 1.
The rules:
-Guitarists must be listed from 25 to 1 in order (in reverse order), with no ties. No having three guitarists at number 12 or anything like that. DO NOT list your guitarists with the points total. List them in your order (I will figure out the points on my end).
-Any list submitted with the guitarists not numbered will be ignored.
-Anyone wanting to submit a list must do so by the end of day, Saturday, April 15th. I will then begin the countdown shortly thereafter.
-The list will be tallied numerically in a simple way. On each list, whatever guitarist is at number 1 gets 25 points, number 2 gets 24 points, number 3 gets 23 points, etc.
-List each guitarist by their stage name (first and last name or just one name if it's someone who goes by just one name like The Edge or Slash; do not send acronyms or just first or last names assuming I will know who you mean).
-PROOFREAD YOUR LISTS BEFORE SENDING THEM. Any list with the same guitarist mentioned twice will be not be counted.
Feel free to post in this thread as well that you have PM'd me, if for no other reason than to bump this back up for others who may want to participate who may not have seen the thread yet.
This ranking engine link below works great if you have too much difficulty making one on your own. You can input all of the guitarists you want, and then you pick your favorite of every 1-on-1 matchup and then it spits out your list.
https://www.pubmeeple.com/ranking-engine
25 Stevie Ray Vaughan
24 Chris DeGarmo
23 Michael Schenker
22 Dave Mustaine
21 Jim Matheos
20 Glenn Tipton
18 (t) Mark Knopfler
18 (t) Ritchie Blackmore
17 Slash
16 Dave Murray
15 Steve Howe
14 Jimi Hendrix
13 Guthrie Govan
12 Adrian Smith
11 Brian May
10 Randy Rhoads
09 Joe Satriani
08 Steve Vai
07 Tony Iommi
06 Jimmy Page
05 James Hetfield
04 David Gilmour
03 Alex Lifeson
02 Eddie Van Halen
01 John Petrucci
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This will be a lot of fun, and a lot of misery trying to make and rank it at the same time. :lol
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Awesome! This will probably be a little less definitive for me than the vocalists, but should be lots of fun.
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Working on it. Actually having a hard time! Turns out I like a lot of bands and their guitarists but not necessarily their guitarists alone.
I like Jinjer a lot, but I would never list that guitarist as a favorite of mine, despite loving what he does in the band because he's just a great part of a bigger machine. I also like famous guitarists like Jimi Hendrix and Clapton but I am not particularly moved or impacted by their playing despite their legendary status (Sorry Stads). So finding guitarists who I really connect with or that their playing specifically stands out to me isn't as easy as I thought.
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Working on it. Actually having a hard time! Turns out I like a lot of bands and their guitarists but not necessarily their guitarists alone.
I like Jinjer a lot, but I would never list that guitarist as a favorite of mine, despite loving what he does in the band because he's just a great part of a bigger machine. I also like famous guitarists like Jimi Hendrix and Clapton but I am not particularly moved or impacted by their playing despite their legendary status (Sorry Stads). So finding guitarists who I really connect with or that their playing specifically stands out to me isn't as easy as I thought.
I hear what you're saying...I doubt my list will have a legend like Clapton, but personal connections will definitely play into my list.
This is going to be very, very tough.
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The only countdown so far where my #1 requires not a single moment's thought. In fact the entire top 10 has just taken all of a minute to fall into place in my mind. 11-25 will need some consideration.
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I'm having trouble coming up with 25 honestly. I have a handful of favorites, but after that I've never really thought about it.
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The only countdown so far where my #1 requires not a single moment's thought. In fact the entire top 10 has just taken all of a minute to fall into place in my mind. 11-25 will need some consideration.
Yeah, top ten were a piece of cake... 11-20 a bit harder. Had to stretch for the last 5 though
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Wow, seriously? Hell, I could probably go 75 deep pretty easily off the top of my head when it comes to guitar players.
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Submitted
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You cannot list the same guy 25 times.
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I went through my music on my computer and put together a list 45 deep. Have a pretty firm top 15 and a rough top 25 that looks about right. I’ll give it a few days to marinate though.
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The only countdown so far where my #1 requires not a single moment's thought. In fact the entire top 10 has just taken all of a minute to fall into place in my mind. 11-25 will need some consideration.
Mark Knopfler?
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You cannot list the same guy 25 times.
I only listed Brian May 24 times. ;) I did manage to squeeze Gary Moore into that one other slot.
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The only countdown so far where my #1 requires not a single moment's thought. In fact the entire top 10 has just taken all of a minute to fall into place in my mind. 11-25 will need some consideration.
Mark Knopfler?
Yup. Literally not a day goes by I don't listen to something of his.
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I know my Top 3, gets a bit difficult after that, but I'm sure I can come up with 25! Excited to finally participate in one of these.
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Sent :corn
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I found myself agreeing with much of Adami's post, so I'm seriously impressed by those who can do this.
I don't think I could even list a top 15 favourite guitarists because I just don't think of them in that way. And I play guitar :lol (Albeit poorly!)
That said, will follow along, of course.
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I'm not sure I can do this.
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I'll sit this one out (I'm more capable of doing the song countdowns instead of individual musicians), but I'll follow along.
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Oh wow! I will actually attempt to do this. Hopefully I don't give up on it the way I gave up the singers one. :biggrin:
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List submitted.
There can only be one king, but the next 5 or 6 could be interchangeable on any given day
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Quick reminder to please DO NOT send lists with guitarists listed by acronyms (as was said in the rules). Even if you think it is obvious who you mean, list them by name.
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I got a preliminary list, but I'm gonna let it marinate a bit before sending
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I'm definitely going to do this but there's so many ways to approach it.
Like, my first thought is just favourite lead guitarist, with focus on how I much I love their studio output. But then, it's like what about those who can write incredible riffs, play great rhythm, kill it live, or are just incredible songwriters?
There's no right or wrong answer I know, but I feel that many on my list will not make the final cut. My favourite bands are my favourites because of the music they have written, so how can their guitarist(s) not make my list? You know what I mean?
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I'm definitely going to do this but there's so many ways to approach it.
Like, my first thought is just favourite lead guitarist, with focus on how I much I love their studio output. But then, it's like what about those who can write incredible riffs, play great rhythm, kill it live, or are just incredible songwriters?
There's no right or wrong answer I know, but I feel that many on my list will not make the final cut. My favourite bands are my favourites because of the music they have written, so how can their guitarist(s) not make my list? You know what I mean?
I think, for my list at least, a majority of my choices are rhythm guitarists because that's just what speaks to me more. There's a few that are based on their leads moreso, but I've seen SO many youtube videos of dudes (or ladies) running up and down the neck and doing the most complicated things in the world, that it no longer does a ton for me.
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I could probably come up with 25 over the next 2 weeks.
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Oh boy, I'll get a list ready but I'm sure most of my favorite ones won't be on the list :corn I expect my top 5 to be though.
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Oh boy, I'll get a least ready but I'm sure most of my favorite ones won't be on the list :corn I expect my top 5 to be though.
I assume a huge bulk of the list will be classic prog or classic rock guitarists. A few of which are on mine, but most of mine won't make the group list. I assume, anyway, though I was pleasantly surprised by the Metallica list, so who knows?
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Is this limited by genre to rock/prog/metal? Or is it open season?
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Is this limited by genre to rock/prog/metal? Or is it open season?
Open season.
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Will it screw up your scoring if I submit a list of only 10 or 15?
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Will it screw up your scoring if I submit a list of only 10 or 15?
I actually wanted to suggest this as a way of encouraging more participation in these countdowns. Have it be, for example, "up to 25", with a minimum requirement of, say, 15. But as you suggested, I've no idea if that would screw up Kev's system.
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I mean, I guess I could lower it to 15 if enough people insist, but I am stunned that most cannot easily get to 25.
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I wouldn't officially lower anything. Twenty five is perfectly reasonable. In my case I just don't have the bandwidth to try and figure out 22 vs 24 on a list. I'd rather just send however many guys I know rank among my favorites. Leaving spots blank doesn't seem much different than if I just listed 15 guys who nobody else would ever vote for, creating a bunch of pointless 1-pt guitarists on your list.
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I am stunned that most cannot easily get to 25.
Same. I could probably hit 125.
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I wouldn't officially lower anything. Twenty five is perfectly reasonable. In my case I just don't have the bandwidth to try and figure out 22 vs 24 on a list. I'd rather just send however many guys I know rank among my favorites. Leaving spots blank doesn't seem much different than if I just listed 15 guys who nobody else would ever vote for, creating a bunch of pointless 1-pt guitarists on your list.
I get that, but it throws off the balance of the scoring, so every list submitted needs to be 25.
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if I just listed 15 guys who nobody else would ever vote for, creating a bunch of pointless 1-pt guitarists on your list.
I have plenty of those.
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if I just listed 15 guys who nobody else would ever vote for, creating a bunch of pointless 1-pt guitarists on your list.
I have plenty of those.
Yeah, I've got 14 that I would consider favourites. The other 11 would simply be guys in bands that I like, and I don't much see the point in listing them.
However, Kev's game and Kev's rules. It should rest with that.
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The only countdown so far where my #1 requires not a single moment's thought. In fact the entire top 10 has just taken all of a minute to fall into place in my mind. 11-25 will need some consideration.
Las Vegas isn't even taking a line on who your number one is. :) :) :) :) :) :)
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I'm not sure I can do this.
You might be the ONE forumer whose list I am specifically looking forward to seeing. I'm guessing Glenn Tipton is number one, but you can crab together another 24! :) :) :) :) Murray and Smith. See? Only 21 more!
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Cool one, Kev! At the beginnig of Covid pandemic I've already done a top 20 guitarists list on my Facebook just for fun (at the time, it seemed those lists were a trend between people, passing to each other), so I'll add just 5 more to that list, adjusting it a bit.
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I'm not sure I can do this.
You might be the ONE forumer whose list I am specifically looking forward to seeing. I'm guessing Glenn Tipton is number one, but you can crab together another 24! :) :) :) :) Murray and Smith. See? Only 21 more!
My money would be on AS.
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I'd guess at least half my list won't see the top 25...and am actually curious if any women will make the final list. I tentatively got 5 on my list at the moment.
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However, Kev's game and Kev's rules. It should rest with that.
While true, I am always open to adjusting if need be if the people demand it. :tup :tup
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I'd guess at least half my list won't see the top 25...and am actually curious if any women will make the final list. I tentatively got 5 on my list at the moment.
But how many of those are not Japanese?
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Cool beans, I'm in.
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I'd guess at least half my list won't see the top 25...and am actually curious if any women will make the final list. I tentatively got 5 on my list at the moment.
But how many of those are not Japanese?
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(1 is Korean though lol)
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I might participate in it, if I find the to narrow down my list to only 25.
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I'd guess at least half my list won't see the top 25...and am actually curious if any women will make the final list. I tentatively got 5 on my list at the moment.
But how many of those are not Japanese?
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(1 is Korean though lol)
Honestly I'm just glad to see some diversity, even if my list doesn't have a ton.
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Who will be the Elvis Presley of this list (as in, "if you don't have Elvis on your list, then you're full of it!")?
I also wonder which obvious guy (and yeah, it'll be a guy) I forget to include in my ranking.
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Who will be the Elvis Presley of this list (as in, "if you don't have Elvis on your list, then you're full of it!")?
My logical answer is Buddy Holly. My obvious answer is ELVIS AARON PRESLEY!
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Who will be the Elvis Presley of this list (as in, "if you don't have Elvis on your list, then you're full of it!")?
I also wonder which obvious guy (and yeah, it'll be a guy) I forget to include in my ranking.
EVH is my guess.
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Who will be the Elvis Presley of this list (as in, "if you don't have Elvis on your list, then you're full of it!")?
I also wonder which obvious guy (and yeah, it'll be a guy) I forget to include in my ranking.
EVH is my guess.
But I think the "Elvis of the list" implies that it's very likely the person won't end up on the big list.
EVH will obviously be on the list.
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Yeah...I'm thinking someone like Robert Johnson, Chuck Berry or Sister Rosetta Tharpe.
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Yeah...I'm thinking someone like Robert Johnson, Chuck Berry or Sister Rosetta Tharpe.
Don't look at me (although Elvis was definitely on my vocalist list).
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I'd guess at least half my list won't see the top 25...and am actually curious if any women will make the final list. I tentatively got 5 on my list at the moment.
I'm curious if any classical guitarists will make the final list. I'm guessing none.
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I'd guess at least half my list won't see the top 25...and am actually curious if any women will make the final list. I tentatively got 5 on my list at the moment.
But how many of those are not Japanese?
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(1 is Korean though lol)
Honestly I'm just glad to see some diversity, even if my list doesn't have a ton.
My recent affinity for J-metal is definitely coming into play, but most of these ladies, talent-wise, are worthy of any list of top guitarists, as is the Korean (though she's right on the cusp and may get dropped as I edit my list). The American should be in the final 25 by all metrics, and I guarantee is the only guitarist of any that will appear in this thread with a Super Bowl Ring.
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Who will be the Elvis Presley of this list (as in, "if you don't have Elvis on your list, then you're full of it!")?
I also wonder which obvious guy (and yeah, it'll be a guy) I forget to include in my ranking.
If EVH is not on your list, you're an idiot.
:) :) :) :) :) :) :)
(I'm totally joking, but as the progenitor of the Elvis comment - which I stand by - there's not really an obvious analogue. The closest - given the rationale of the Elvis comment - is probably Jimi Hendrix.)
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I've short listed to 44 guitarists. None of them are EVH, or anyone who's been named in like the last 25 comments :lol
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Here's one for ya.. Does anyone else have a #1 guitarist who they wouldn't consider the most skilled player on their list?
Like, we may consider JP the best technically, but our #1 isn't JP
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Here's one for ya.. Does anyone else have a #1 guitarist who they wouldn't consider the most skilled player on their list?
I haven't ranked mine yet, but the list is called "favorite" and who I like best will not be determined by who is the most skilled.
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Here's one for ya.. Does anyone else have a #1 guitarist who they wouldn't consider the most skilled player on their list?
Like, we may consider JP the best technically, but our #1 isn't JP
That's me. My number is very talented (I assume he's my number 1, haven't done the ranking yet) but he's the guy that made me play guitar and inspired me more than anyone else.
Obviously I'm talking about Elvis.
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Here's one for ya.. Does anyone else have a #1 guitarist who they wouldn't consider the most skilled player on their list?
Like, we may consider JP the best technically, but our #1 isn't JP
That's me. My number is very talented (I assume he's my number 1, haven't done the ranking yet) but he's the guy that made me play guitar and inspired me more than anyone else.
Obviously I'm talking about Elvis.
Holy shit me too.
The Korean just lost her spot.... :(
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Here's one for ya.. Does anyone else have a #1 guitarist who they wouldn't consider the most skilled player on their list?
Like, we may consider JP the best technically, but our #1 isn't JP
I'd say my top 10 couldn't carry JP's guitar case, but they are my favs for very different reasons (here's looking at you Neil Young!)
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Given the recent comments, I am guessing the final list will look a lot different than what I thought it would.
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Here's one for ya.. Does anyone else have a #1 guitarist who they wouldn't consider the most skilled player on their list?
Like, we may consider JP the best technically, but our #1 isn't JP
That's me for sure.
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Here's one for ya.. Does anyone else have a #1 guitarist who they wouldn't consider the most skilled player on their list?
Like, we may consider JP the best technically, but our #1 isn't JP
He won't be my number 1, but The Edge will definitely be on my list, and I know many think his skills are lacking in comparison to many of the greats.
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He probably won't make my list but Noel Gallagher is extremely limited as a guitarist, yet I love his playing because it's usually exactly what the song needs. There will be several players like that on my list; technically nothing to write home about but artistically very special indeed.
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I always keep lists of this kind anyway, so it was a matter of finding an older one and tweaking it. It's been years since I've given it serious thought, so I need to refine who needs to drop off and who needs to be added, and a serious revamping of the order, but I have a tentative 25 and another 40 or so honorable mentions to think more about.
Two challenging things are deciding how much is about their tone, which in some cases is as much or more a result of the production and engineering, and then there a bunch of bands who I love their overall guitar sound, but it's really more of a team effort (often literally a guitar duo), and I'm not sure I can single out one specifically.
But then, it's like what about those who can write incredible riffs, play great rhythm, kill it live, or are just incredible songwriters?
There's no right or wrong answer I know, but I feel that many on my list will not make the final cut. My favourite bands are my favourites because of the music they have written, so how can their guitarist(s) not make my list? You know what I mean?
To me this is separate from how much I like their band(s) and their songwriting and is specifically about their playing, since it's not a "favorite bands" or "favorite songwriters" list, but I can understand it being difficult to distinguish in some cases.
I assume a huge bulk of the list will be classic prog or classic rock guitarists. A few of which are on mine, but most of mine won't make the group list. I assume, anyway, though I was pleasantly surprised by the Metallica list, so who knows?
Well, and also classic metal, I assume the vast majority will be somewhere in the rock/metal/prog nexus. I'm sure even mine will be more like than than my musical taste overall is just due to the nature of it.
I'm not sure I can do this.
You might be the ONE forumer whose list I am specifically looking forward to seeing.
Me too.
I'd guess at least half my list won't see the top 25...and am actually curious if any women will make the final list. I tentatively got 5 on my list at the moment.
I'd be surprised. There are two on my honorable mentions list right now, are plenty of others I like, but the competition is just too difficult to break into at the highest levels.
I'm curious if any classical guitarists will make the final list. I'm guessing none.
Classical is barely discussed at all here these days, so I'd highly doubt specifically a classical guitarist would have a chance at all. I like a few, but they have no chance at my list.
Here's one for ya.. Does anyone else have a #1 guitarist who they wouldn't consider the most skilled player on their list?
My tentative #1 can play, but certainly isn't a blinding chops shredder, and I have a number of others like that as well.
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I've got my list sorted and will send soon.
I'm not surprised by this, but a lot of the guitarists that made my list, especially near the top of the list, play guitar but also sing in their bands (and often lead vocals). I've always found this ability to be incredibly impressive, and it definitely factors into my admiration for a guitarist and their work, if they can do it whilst also thinking about singing!
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Here's one for ya.. Does anyone else have a #1 guitarist who they wouldn't consider the most skilled player on their list?
Like, we may consider JP the best technically, but our #1 isn't JP
I'm guessing Petrucci will be the most skilled guy on my list, but I doubt he'll be #1.
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I've got my list sorted and will send soon.
I'm not surprised by this, but a lot of the guitarists that made my list, especially near the top of the list, play guitar but also sing in their bands (and often lead vocals). I've always found this ability to be incredibly impressive, and it definitely factors into my admiration for a guitarist and their work, if they can do it whilst also thinking about singing!
Not sell them short, but I can sing and play guitar at the same time (and sing and play drums), so if I can do it, it can't be that hard lol
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I've got my list sorted and will send soon.
I'm not surprised by this, but a lot of the guitarists that made my list, especially near the top of the list, play guitar but also sing in their bands (and often lead vocals). I've always found this ability to be incredibly impressive, and it definitely factors into my admiration for a guitarist and their work, if they can do it whilst also thinking about singing!
Not sell them short, but I can sing and play guitar at the same time (and sing and play drums), so if I can do it, it can't be that hard lol
Fair play to you dude. I can't even play an instrument full stop :lol
It's not necessarily the playing and singing that impresses me, it's more that the music they're playing is so technical that it's impressive they can anything other than concentrate on that!
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I've got my list sorted and will send soon.
I'm not surprised by this, but a lot of the guitarists that made my list, especially near the top of the list, play guitar but also sing in their bands (and often lead vocals). I've always found this ability to be incredibly impressive, and it definitely factors into my admiration for a guitarist and their work, if they can do it whilst also thinking about singing!
Not sell them short, but I can sing and play guitar at the same time (and sing and play drums), so if I can do it, it can't be that hard lol
You know what? I can't. Almost at all, though I can busk. Others can't either (I understand that both David Lee Roth and Robert Plant are reasonably accomplished guitarists but can't really do both with any high proficiency on stage, especially when standing next to guys like Jimmy Page and Eddie Van Halen.
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It'd be in the category of a guitarist also being an excellent drummer, keyboard player, graphic artist, etc. It may add to my overall admiration for them, but doesn't specifically make them a better guitarist.
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It'd be in the category of a guitarist also being an excellent drummer, keyboard player, graphic artist, etc. It may add to my overall admiration for them, but doesn't specifically make them a better guitarist.
No, but it can affect my overall admiration of them, which in turn means I like them more, which is why we're all here, to list our personal favourites. For me, all that is important when ranking my favourites, because it's part of what makes them my favourites.
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I've got my list sorted and will send soon.
I'm not surprised by this, but a lot of the guitarists that made my list, especially near the top of the list, play guitar but also sing in their bands (and often lead vocals). I've always found this ability to be incredibly impressive, and it definitely factors into my admiration for a guitarist and their work, if they can do it whilst also thinking about singing!
Not sell them short, but I can sing and play guitar at the same time (and sing and play drums), so if I can do it, it can't be that hard lol
But you're..... You're Hef...
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If anyone's looking for inspiration, I just Googled "top 100 guitarists" and here's Rolling Stone's take:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/100-greatest-guitarists-153675/lindsey-buckingham-39147/
Lindsey Buckingham ranked lower than the Sex Pistols guy physically pained me.
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If anyone's looking for inspiration, I just Googled "top 100 guitarists" and here's Rolling Stone's take:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/100-greatest-guitarists-153675/lindsey-buckingham-39147/
Lindsey Buckingham ranked lower than the Sex Pistols guy physically pained me.
As was Alex Lifeson. And the funny thing? Number #94 (Peter Buck), ahead of all of them, would most likely call bullshit on the whole thing too.
EDIT: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Johnny Greenw- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ood, from Radiohead, better than, oh my god HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Ritchie Bla- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ckmore. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I can't stand it!
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I've got my list sorted and will send soon.
I'm not surprised by this, but a lot of the guitarists that made my list, especially near the top of the list, play guitar but also sing in their bands (and often lead vocals). I've always found this ability to be incredibly impressive, and it definitely factors into my admiration for a guitarist and their work, if they can do it whilst also thinking about singing!
Not sell them short, but I can sing and play guitar at the same time (and sing and play drums), so if I can do it, it can't be that hard lol
I've been playing guitar (mediocrely) for 20 years or more. To this day I can't do more than a basic strum and sing at the same time. Maybe MAYBE I can finger pick a bit of Fade to Black while singing, but that's it. It is damn hard. I know some people can do it no problem, but it's definitely not just a thing people can do.
But as RJ pointed out....you're Hef.
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I've got my list sorted and will send soon.
I'm not surprised by this, but a lot of the guitarists that made my list, especially near the top of the list, play guitar but also sing in their bands (and often lead vocals). I've always found this ability to be incredibly impressive, and it definitely factors into my admiration for a guitarist and their work, if they can do it whilst also thinking about singing!
Not sell them short, but I can sing and play guitar at the same time (and sing and play drums), so if I can do it, it can't be that hard lol
I've been playing guitar (mediocrely) for 20 years or more. To this day I can't do more than a basic strum and sing at the same time. Maybe MAYBE I can finger pick a bit of Fade to Black while singing, but that's it. It is damn hard. I know some people can do it no problem, but it's definitely not just a thing people can do.
But as RJ pointed out....you're Hef.
It really explains everything Hef related, doesn't it?
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If anyone's looking for inspiration, I just Googled "top 100 guitarists" and here's Rolling Stone's take:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/100-greatest-guitarists-153675/lindsey-buckingham-39147/
Lindsey Buckingham ranked lower than the Sex Pistols guy physically pained me.
As was Alex Lifeson. And the funny thing? Number #94 (Peter Buck), ahead of all of them, would most likely call bullshit on the whole thing too.
EDIT: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Johnny Greenw- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ood, from Radiohead, better than, oh my god HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Ritchie Bla- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ckmore. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I can't stand it!
Dude, don't even get me started. That list is a complete joke!!
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I mean, I guess I could lower it to 15 if enough people insist, but I am stunned that most cannot easily get to 25.
Noooo!!! I started putting my list together and I'm already at 40 or so :lol
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Will letting people only submit 15 skew the results?
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Look, I'll say it again: if I could come up with a Metallica list, you guys can squat down 25 guitar players. Please.
EDIT: Hell, just list all the guys Mike has played with and you're 90% there.
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Look, I'll say it again: if I could come up with a Metallica list, you guys can squat down 25 guitar players. Please.
EDIT: Hell, just list all the guys Mike has played with and you're 90% there.
Right? Shit, I got three Japanese guitarists I had to leave off my lists...it's not that hard man. And as expected, as the thread goes on, I keep having those 'oh shit, how could I forget him/her!!!' moments, and someone else gets bumped.
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Look, I'll say it again: if I could come up with a Metallica list, you guys can squat down 25 guitar players. Please.
EDIT: Hell, just list all the guys Mike has played with and you're 90% there.
Hey, I already said let it rest. Sorry I didn't just PM him the question. :lol
For my part, the list is "favourites," and that carries some weight with me. I can name a ton of guitarists I like. I could rank a ton of guitarists by which I think is the best. To my mind there just needs to be a little something more than "yeah, he's really good" to be included in my favourites category. Perhaps I'm being a little anal, but while I like Tipton and Downing I don't know as I'd say they're favourites of mine (and one of the Maiden guys certainly is).
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I'd guess at least half my list won't see the top 25...and am actually curious if any women will make the final list. I tentatively got 5 on my list at the moment.
I'm curious if any classical guitarists will make the final list. I'm guessing none.
My problem with classical guitarists is that I know pieces of music more than I know the actual performers.
But this led me to something. I was looking at the Wikipedia page for Albeniz's Asturias (in E minor), and it contained the following comment: "Iron Maiden quotes Asturias in their songs Mother Russia and To Tame A Land." I agree about Mother Russia, but To Tame a Land? I'm super familiar with TTAL and pretty familiar with Asturias, but I wonder if anyone more familiar with Asturias would agree (I assume whoever added this to Wiki is referring to the section of TTAL starting at 4:05). I just don't really hear it (and I doubt, that, in 1983, Steve Harris was familiar with Asturias).
EDIT: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Johnny Greenw- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ood, from Radiohead, better than, oh my god HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Ritchie Bla- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ckmore. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I can't stand it!
You just saved me from an embarrassing omission on my list!
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Will letting people only submit 15 skew the results?
I did not change it. It is 25. Only lists with 25 will be accepted.
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I have my list but I think I'll sit on it a bit to just make sure I haven't left anyone really obvious out. I definitely know who my absolute favourites are but then I need to really think about it.
Like the favourite singers list, this one could end up as anything with an unlimited list of guitarists to choose from. Looking at my own list, if more than 10 of mine end up on the overall top 25 I'd be surprised.
Also, with favourites it actually doesn't mean 'best or greatest'. So how we all individually define that will also have an impact.
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I think probably 75% of what goes into my rankings of a guitarist is in the soloing (though some portion of that is overall tone). Which kind of rules out guys who don’t really solo, but the solos are where the personality is for most guitarists. I can certainly appreciate other aspects of playing, and there are some guys who I appreciate for their rhythm playing or finger style, etc., but the separator is usually the soloing.
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Heck, I got one dude on my list primarily because a solo of his has been my ringtone for over 10 years... I figured that earned him a spot for sure... :lol
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I think probably 75% of what goes into my rankings of a guitarist is in the soloing (though some portion of that is overall tone). Which kind of rules out guys who don’t really solo, but the solos are where the personality is for most guitarists. I can certainly appreciate other aspects of playing, and there are some guys who I appreciate for their rhythm playing or finger style, etc., but the separator is usually the soloing.
Yeah, I have some people that I really enjoy as mostly rhythm players, but I just don't think I'm gonna be able to justify many if any of them for a top 25. Maybe a top 200. Although "soloing" is rather fluid, there's a variety of less traditional ways to go about it.
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I'm only gonna get more spun staring at the list in my word file...sent...
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I think probably 75% of what goes into my rankings of a guitarist is in the soloing (though some portion of that is overall tone). Which kind of rules out guys who don’t really solo, but the solos are where the personality is for most guitarists. I can certainly appreciate other aspects of playing, and there are some guys who I appreciate for their rhythm playing or finger style, etc., but the separator is usually the soloing.
Yeah, I have some people that I really enjoy as mostly rhythm players, but I just don't think I'm gonna be able to justify many if any of them for a top 25. Maybe a top 200. Although "soloing" is rather fluid, there's a variety of less traditional ways to go about it.
I have two rhythm players on my list and a third who is more of a hybrid but he's on my list primarily because of his rhythm playing.
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Sent!
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Look, I'll say it again: if I could come up with a Metallica list, you guys can squat down 25 guitar players. Please.
EDIT: Hell, just list all the guys Mike has played with and you're 90% there.
Hey, I already said let it rest. Sorry I didn't just PM him the question. :lol
For my part, the list is "favourites," and that carries some weight with me. I can name a ton of guitarists I like. I could rank a ton of guitarists by which I think is the best. To my mind there just needs to be a little something more than "yeah, he's really good" to be included in my favourites category. Perhaps I'm being a little anal, but while I like Tipton and Downing I don't know as I'd say they're favourites of mine (and one of the Maiden guys certainly is).
Haha, I'm just busting balls, Bart. I do get it. And I'm with you; I won't be listing anyone just because "eh, they're decent".
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7 lists so far, 107 guitarists already listed! And away we go!!!!
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I've got my list sorted and will send soon.
I'm not surprised by this, but a lot of the guitarists that made my list, especially near the top of the list, play guitar but also sing in their bands (and often lead vocals). I've always found this ability to be incredibly impressive, and it definitely factors into my admiration for a guitarist and their work, if they can do it whilst also thinking about singing!
Not sell them short, but I can sing and play guitar at the same time (and sing and play drums), so if I can do it, it can't be that hard lol
I've been playing guitar (mediocrely) for 20 years or more. To this day I can't do more than a basic strum and sing at the same time. Maybe MAYBE I can finger pick a bit of Fade to Black while singing, but that's it. It is damn hard. I know some people can do it no problem, but it's definitely not just a thing people can do.
But as RJ pointed out....you're Hef.
It really explains everything Hef related, doesn't it?
Well, shit. Didn't think about it like that.
Of course, on guitar I'm not playing jazz chords or solos while singing. I'm strictly a rhythm player.
Does it mean anything that when I play guitar, I'm thinking like a drummer, and when I'm drumming, I'm thinking like a guitar player?
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I think probably 75% of what goes into my rankings of a guitarist is in the soloing (though some portion of that is overall tone). Which kind of rules out guys who don’t really solo, but the solos are where the personality is for most guitarists. I can certainly appreciate other aspects of playing, and there are some guys who I appreciate for their rhythm playing or finger style, etc., but the separator is usually the soloing.
Yeah, I have some people that I really enjoy as mostly rhythm players, but I just don't think I'm gonna be able to justify many if any of them for a top 25. Maybe a top 200. Although "soloing" is rather fluid, there's a variety of less traditional ways to go about it.
I have two rhythm players on my list and a third who is more of a hybrid but he's on my list primarily because of his rhythm playing.
You can't have all three IM axemen as a single entry!
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I'm not sure I can do this.
Ditto. I really dig a lot of different guitarists equally for their personal style. I'm not sure I could really choose one over another. I'll have to think about it.
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Aaaaand I just remembered a guitarist who totally should've made my list...
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I'm gonna need a whole weekend just to come up with some kind of rubric
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My first draft has 38 guitarists.
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Aaaaand I just remembered a guitarist who totally should've made my list...
This is part of why I don't understand why people send so early. And also, I like to knock out a draft and sit on it for awhile, I always wind up revising it a bit after my subconscious ponders it.
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So definitely going to send one for this one.. and it's gonna be good!
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Im done with mine; I want to sit with it a bit, but I'm probably 98% there. My problem is that I keep looking at 26 through 30 and thinking "isn't there a spot for them SOMEWHERE?"
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This is turning out to be harder than I thought. I have 1-18 done, but 19-25 I can't decide :\
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Aaaaand I just remembered a guitarist who totally should've made my list...
This is part of why I don't understand why people send so early. And also, I like to knock out a draft and sit on it for awhile, I always wind up revising it a bit after my subconscious ponders it.
The guitarist in question would've in no way touched the final list, but he definitely deserves recognition, especially for a life cut so short.
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Aaaaand I just remembered a guitarist who totally should've made my list...
This is part of why I don't understand why people send so early. And also, I like to knock out a draft and sit on it for awhile, I always wind up revising it a bit after my subconscious ponders it.
The guitarist in question would've in no way touched the final list, but he definitely deserves recognition, especially for a life cut so short.
You just reminded me of 2 that I was almost leaving off the list...
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Aaaaand I just remembered a guitarist who totally should've made my list...
This is part of why I don't understand why people send so early. And also, I like to knock out a draft and sit on it for awhile, I always wind up revising it a bit after my subconscious ponders it.
The guitarist in question would've in no way touched the final list, but he definitely deserves recognition, especially for a life cut so short.
You just reminded me of 2 that I was almost leaving off the list...
:lol
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This is tough! Easily rattled off like 50 names. Ranking them into a favorite 25 will make it tough though. Also, will probably leave out a few more obscure death metal guys that no one else would likely have. For instance, I really like John Gallagher (Dying Fetus, great player!), but I don't think too many others (if any) would list him. Maybe I'd be surprised though...
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This is tough! Easily rattled off like 50 names. Ranking them into a favorite 25 will make it tough though. Also, will probably leave out a few more obscure death metal guys that no one else would likely have. For instance, I really like John Gallagher (Dying Fetus, great player!), but I don't think too many others (if any) would list him. Maybe I'd be surprised though...
Why? It's YOUR list.
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Well, a large portion of my list is going to be jazz guys not a lot of others will rank here probably. Definitely not going to bother to cater to other people, I’ll submit MY list :biggrin:
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This is tough! Easily rattled off like 50 names. Ranking them into a favorite 25 will make it tough though. Also, will probably leave out a few more obscure death metal guys that no one else would likely have. For instance, I really like John Gallagher (Dying Fetus, great player!), but I don't think too many others (if any) would list him. Maybe I'd be surprised though...
Why? It's YOUR list.
Seriously... Just because nobody will have any of the four female Japanese guitarist by no way diminishes how important their work is to my life. In fact, I actually have doubts my #1 will make the final list, and know my #4 won't.
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Well, a large portion of my list is going to be jazz guys not a lot of others will rank here probably.
There will definitely be some on mine, so I guess I'll have to see if we land on any of the same ones.
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True! All good points on this.
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Well, a large portion of my list is going to be jazz guys not a lot of others will rank here probably.
There will definitely be some on mine, so I guess I'll have to see if we land on any of the same ones.
There will be some on mine as well.
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This is tough! Easily rattled off like 50 names. Ranking them into a favorite 25 will make it tough though. Also, will probably leave out a few more obscure death metal guys that no one else would likely have. For instance, I really like John Gallagher (Dying Fetus, great player!), but I don't think too many others (if any) would list him. Maybe I'd be surprised though...
Why? It's YOUR list.
I have a classical guitarist on my list I'm sure no one here heard of (probably)
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This is tough! Easily rattled off like 50 names. Ranking them into a favorite 25 will make it tough though. Also, will probably leave out a few more obscure death metal guys that no one else would likely have. For instance, I really like John Gallagher (Dying Fetus, great player!), but I don't think too many others (if any) would list him. Maybe I'd be surprised though...
Why? It's YOUR list.
I have a classical guitarist on my list I'm sure no one here heard of (probably)
If I can put this young genius on my list, I think the door is wide open to anything tbh....
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.87d0efa81d523f46a7e08ce8cada5726?rik=AGThodOxv%2bKWmQ&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)
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Just completed my Top 25. I guarantee I will have some that no one else will.
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Sent in my list...it was difficult.
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Aaaaand I just remembered a guitarist who totally should've made my list...
This is part of why I don't understand why people send so early. And also, I like to knock out a draft and sit on it for awhile, I always wind up revising it a bit after my subconscious ponders it.
I actually did that with this list. Usually I'm pretty confident in my choices but this is tough, I'll let it marinate for a week or so.
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Just completed my Top 25. I guarantee I will have some that no one else will.
I might have a couple, and I'm guessing I'll have only ten that make the final cut.
And that's fine, as the favorite singer countdown opened my eyes and ears to many 'new' artists for me.
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12 lists on the spreadsheet so far, and already down to just two that have been on every list.
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12 lists on the spreadsheet so far, and already down to just two that have been on every list.
Not al all surprising. My guess for the two would be JP and EVH.
I think the interesting aspect will be how many guitarists collectively make the overall list. I think we had over 200 vocalists in the singers one?
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EVH will not be on every list.
My guess is that it's Petrucci and Lifeson, but it kinda depends on who has submitted so far.
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We should probably hold off on naming names.
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12 lists on the spreadsheet so far, and already down to just two that have been on every list.
Fleegle has to be one of them😉
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12 lists on the spreadsheet so far, and already down to just two that have been on every list.
Fleegle has to be one of them😉
I first read that as "Fergie". :D
Well, got a list of 48. Now onto the difficult task of ranking them!
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Sent.
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12 lists on the spreadsheet so far, and already down to just two that have been on every list.
Fleegle has to be one of them😉
I first read that as "Fergie". :D
But which one?! :lol
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Finally began working on my list and goddam, this is hard.
I spent a good part of my 20's obsessing over guitar playing, practicing and looking up to a number of guitar players...But my musical tastes have always been kind of all over the place. With the singers countdown, I could leave off a couple of opera or italian/Czech prog singers to spare Kev the trouble of "just another entry I 've never heard of who appears on one list only" and still submit a list that was true to my actual tastes. But I can't do that now. It seems like half of my list are gonna be jazz-fusion, flamenco, gypsy jazz and classical guitar players...with the other half being some of the prog/metal guitar gods who are well loved at this forum...
Really curious about how much diversity we will get...it might be even more extreme than with singers thread.
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Still narrowing my list down. The last ten or so are tough! Anyone else have someone on this list AND the vocalist list? I've got one, maybe two.
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Still narrowing my list down. The last ten or so are tough! Anyone else have someone on this list AND the vocalist list? I've got one, maybe two.
I had at least 3 on my singers list that are better known as guitarists and who are on this list.
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Still narrowing my list down. The last ten or so are tough! Anyone else have someone on this list AND the vocalist list? I've got one, maybe two.
Oh yea, a few of mine are both are they're near the top of my list.
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I had three people make both my top 25 singers and top 25 guitarists lists (David Gilmour, Devin Townsend, Roine Stolt).
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I've got two.
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16 lists so far, 178 guitarists listed on the spreadsheet.
One week left to submit.
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Yeah, I'll send some time in the coming week
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I guess I should probably have a crack at this.
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I'd feel like a fraud sending in a list. I literally love CC Deville's and Rivers Cuomo's guitar playing and I'd have them both in my top ten. See the issue? :lol
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I'd feel like a fraud sending in a list. I literally love CC Deville's and Rivers Cuomo's guitar playing and I'd have them both in my top ten. See the issue? :lol
Just go for it. I’ve a couple on my list that I doubt will make anyone else’s list, but, favourites, right?!
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Yea, I feel like this list is going to be all over the place. I think if you vote someone at #1 there's a good chance they'll make the list!
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I'd feel like a fraud sending in a list. I literally love CC Deville's and Rivers Cuomo's guitar playing and I'd have them both in my top ten. See the issue? :lol
No.
SEND IT
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List sent!
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List sent.
Breakdown by genre:
Jazz-Fusion - 2
Classical - 2
Flamenco - 2
Gypsy Jazz - 2
Singer/songwriter/folk - 1
Prog/Rock/Metal/Pop - 16
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Anyone else have someone on this list AND the vocalist list? I've got one, maybe two.
I have one guy in the top 8 on both lists, and two others made both lists.
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Still narrowing my list down. The last ten or so are tough! Anyone else have someone on this list AND the vocalist list? I've got one, maybe two.
I had at least 3 on my singers list that are better known as guitarists and who are on this list.
Actually, I have 4 who were on my vocalist list.
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Still narrowing my list down. The last ten or so are tough! Anyone else have someone on this list AND the vocalist list? I've got one, maybe two.
I had at least 3 on my singers list that are better known as guitarists and who are on this list.
Actually, I have 4 who were on my vocalist list.
I have 9 guitarists who also do lead vocals! :lol
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I had 2 people make both the singer and guitarist threads.
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Still narrowing my list down. The last ten or so are tough! Anyone else have someone on this list AND the vocalist list? I've got one, maybe two.
I had at least 3 on my singers list that are better known as guitarists and who are on this list.
Actually, I have 4 who were on my vocalist list.
I have 9 guitarists who also do lead vocals! :lol
Most of them aren't ordinarily lead vocalists, but I think I count only 7 on my list who haven't done a lead vocal on at least one studio track that I know of.
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My #1 should've been on my vocalist list, not sure why I overlooked them.
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Sent
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Not calling out anyone by name here, but I had two lists submitted this week by people who apparently did not read the rules, specifically the bolded below. :facepalm: :facepalm:
The rules:
-Guitarists must be listed from 25 to 1 in order (in reverse order), with no ties. No having three guitarists at number 12 or anything like that. DO NOT list your guitarists with the points total. List them in your order (I will figure out the points on my end).
-Any list submitted with the guitarists not numbered will be ignored.
-Anyone wanting to submit a list must do so by the end of day, Saturday, April 15th. I will then begin the countdown shortly thereafter.
-The list will be tallied numerically in a simple way. On each list, whatever guitarist is at number 1 gets 25 points, number 2 gets 24 points, number 3 gets 23 points, etc.
-List each guitarist by their stage name (first and last name or just one name if it's someone who goes by just one name like The Edge or Slash; do not send acronyms or just first or last names assuming I will know who you mean).
-PROOFREAD YOUR LISTS BEFORE SENDING THEM. Any list with the same guitarist mentioned twice will be not be counted.
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Hey now, I don’t think it’s too much to ask you to know who some of these people are. If YOU don’t know who lol, jk, omg, wtf, or asl are, then we’re all doomed.
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Just realized I do have one that was on my vocalists list.
I can legitimately see 15 of my guitarists making the final list. I'd consider the other 10 in the 'no chance in hell' category, with 8 of them definitely being unique to my list.
All mine are from rock/metal, though one that term is used loosely. 20 men, 5 women. 9 American, 9 British, 3 Canadian, and 4 Japanese.
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My list has 25 men on it. Not that there's anything wrong with that.. ;D
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List sent. Demographics:
Men: 25
Women: 0
Alive: 21
Dead: 4
British: 7
Irish: 1
American: 16
Finnish: 1
Seen live: 7
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Ooh, good metrics added...
I got 3 dead on my list, and I've seen 16 of them live.
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Hmm. I'll bite.
Men: 24
Women: 1
Alive: 21
Dead: 4
America: 10
Canada: 2
Australia: 1
Netherlands: 2
Norway: 1
UK: 5
Sweden: 2
Italy: 1
Israel: 1
Japan: 0
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Hmm. I'll bite.
Men: 24
Women: 1
Alive: 21
Dead: 4
America: 10
Canada: 2
Australia: 1
Netherlands: 2
Norway: 1
UK: 5
Sweden: 2
Italy: 1
Israel: 1
Japan: 0
Why even add Japan to the list? :lol
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To bust RJs balls.
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Wtf did I do? :rollin
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Living: 19
Dead: 6
North American: 11
(10 US, 1 Can)
UK: 9
(6 Eng, 1 Ireland, 1 Scotland, 1 Wales)
Europe: 4
(3 Germany, 1 Sweden)
Australia: 1
I've seen 22 of the 25 live.
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Wtf did I do? :rollin
;D
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Australia: 1
I am honoured to have made your list Tim. :biggrin:
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Australia: 1
I am honoured to have made your list Tim. :biggrin:
:lol
It wouldn't really be legit now, would it? :lol
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Australia: 1
I am honoured to have made your list Tim. :biggrin:
:lol
It wouldn't really be legit now, would it? :lol
Without me on there? No, that's correct. ;D
I just put down about 12 names randomly. Will fill out the rest of the 25 before the deadline. Pretty easy to guess who that one Aussie on your list is though. Safe to say, that person will not be making it anywhere near mine.
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Pretty easy to guess who that one Aussie on your list is though. Safe to say, that person will not be making it anywhere near mine.
I think you'll be quite surprised who I picked, and no, they wouldn't make your list if it were a Top 200.
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:lol
You know that bloke had like 60 studio albums or something!? So prolific. A machine. I've never listened to a single one, but still.
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Hey now, I don’t think it’s too much to ask you to know who some of these people are. If YOU don’t know who lol, jk, omg, wtf, or asl are, then we’re all doomed.
I don't think it's too much to expect people to follow simple rules.
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Hey now, I don’t think it’s too much to ask you to know who some of these people are. If YOU don’t know who lol, jk, omg, wtf, or asl are, then we’re all doomed.
I don't think it's too much to expect people to follow simple rules.
The seriousness of your post in response to the silliness of mine made me go check to make sure I didn’t do that. Luckily I did not.
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Nope, you were good. We had gone a few countdowns in a row without any rulebreakers, so I guess we were due.
224 guitarists on the list. I would guess that 25% are ones I had never heard of until seeing their names on the lists here.
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Is there still anyone on every list?
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-List each guitarist by their stage name (first and last name or just one name if it's someone who goes by just one name like The Edge or Slash; do not send acronyms or just first or last names assuming I will know who you mean).
I'll hold my hands up as one of the guilty ones. In my defense though, I did read the rules. The person I sent goes by one name, like Slash or The Edge, a lot of the time. In hindsight, he is also known by his nickname followed by surname, but whenever I discuss him, in real life or online, I use his single name and that seems widely accepted.
To be on the safe side in future, I'll be doubly sure and add full names :tup
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Men: 25
Women: 0
Alive: 25 (AFAIK)
Dead: 0
British: 7
Canadian: 2
German: 3
American: 13
Primarily metal: 15
Not primarily metal: 10
Haven't seen live: 6 (will be 5 after July)
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I haven't spent nearly as much time with this as I'd like to (though it's just building on decades of listening and occasional making similar lists for myself and elsewhere, so a lot of the work had already been done), but I've had a couple weeks for my initial draft to percolate, so I'll probably take another look at the order and send maybe tomorrow. I'm gonna have to try not to think too hard about the order anyway, it's already maddening. But it's a better and more comprehensive list than I've done before, for sure. I have a top 60 or so including honorable mentions and I'm pretty happy with who I've selected in the whole grouping.
Anyone else have someone on this list AND the vocalist list? I've got one, maybe two.
Just one. Maybe a third of them do lead vocals on occasion, but most just aren't up to par for the vocal list.
Assuming I don't make any swaps in the next day or so - I have one that has passed, and 12 that are not from or no longer in the US. Genre is impossible to figure out, pretty much all have some relation to rock at least, but a lot are on my list for having some stylistic breadth.
I suspect there are about a third that have a shot at only being on my list, but I wouldn't be shocked if a few of those do get a vote or two. I have a pretty poor sense of what the overall final top 25 will be, but I'm suspecting most of mine won't be on it.
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-List each guitarist by their stage name (first and last name or just one name if it's someone who goes by just one name like The Edge or Slash; do not send acronyms or just first or last names assuming I will know who you mean).
I'll hold my hands up as one of the guilty ones. In my defense though, I did read the rules. The person I sent goes by one name, like Slash or The Edge, a lot of the time. In hindsight, he is also known by his nickname followed by surname, but whenever I discuss him, in real life or online, I use his single name and that seems widely accepted.
To be on the safe side in future, I'll be doubly sure and add full names :tup
same
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Did you guys use some obscure one name guitarist that The Schmev doesn't know?
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Did you guys use some obscure one name guitarist that The Schmev doesn't know?
Not obscure in the slightest for me.
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Did you guys use some obscure one name guitarist that The Schmev doesn't know?
mine was dime - that's what everyone called him anytime I was in the same room so I just adopted it and referred to him as such since. Though technically not his full stage name, he had a few of those too. I do appreciate the reach out vs ignoring the list altogether, KevShmev!
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Did you guys use some obscure one name guitarist that The Schmev doesn't know?
Not obscure in the slightest for me.
Kev does not know who the hell The Gizz is!
Did you guys use some obscure one name guitarist that The Schmev doesn't know?
mine was dime - that's what everyone called him anytime I was in the same room so I just adopted it and referred to him as such since. Though technically not his full stage name, he had a few of those too. I do appreciate the reach out vs ignoring the list altogether, KevShmev!
Oh ok. Gotcha. Wouldn't Dimebag Darrell be acceptable? I don't even know what his real last name is. That's all I've ever heard him being called.
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I think for Dimebag, only his full name of Darrell Lance Abbott should be accepted.
Though, I guess Diamond Darrell is also acceptable.
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Did you guys use some obscure one name guitarist that The Schmev doesn't know?
Not obscure in the slightest for me.
Kev does not know who the hell The Gizz is!
Did you guys use some obscure one name guitarist that The Schmev doesn't know?
mine was dime - that's what everyone called him anytime I was in the same room so I just adopted it and referred to him as such since. Though technically not his full stage name, he had a few of those too. I do appreciate the reach out vs ignoring the list altogether, KevShmev!
Oh ok. Gotcha. Wouldn't Dimebag Darrell be acceptable? I don't even know what his real last name is. That's all I've ever heard him being called.
That's the one I landed on
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Shit, I literally just sent my list with Dimebag on it and didn't include his name, I should've caught up on the thread first.
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Shit, I literally just sent my list with Dimebag on it and didn't include his name, I should've read the thread first. I should've caught up on the thread first.
But that's what he's known by. Same as Slash.
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oops.
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I came up with a list of 25 pretty easily. Ranking that list will be the hard part. :facepalm:
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Well, that was pretty much quick and dirty. If I think about it too much, it'll just drive me crazy. It is what it is...
List sent
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Yea mine was Dimebag too :lol
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Sent my list.
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Shit! I just saw this. Ok, I'm on it!!!
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Shit! I just saw this. Ok, I'm on it!!!
I expect face melters and hell raisers!
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Shit! I just saw this. Ok, I'm on it!!!
I expect face melters and hell raisers!
Oh fuck yeah! :metal
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Some of the criteria that factored into my ranking in no particular order.
Influence
Popularity
Longevity
Technicality
Personal preference (the X factor)
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Mine are almost 100% personal preference
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Its all personal preference for me but there will be some obvious ones included. Working on mine now.
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Mine are almost 100% personal preference
This. Technicality had nothing to do with it.
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Mine are almost 100% personal preference
This. Technicality had nothing to do with it.
Mine are based on song writing skills and just overall what pumps my nads, my Temple Balls.
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Yeah, I'd imagine that personal preference is what it basically comes down to in the end. :hat :hefdaddy
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List submitted. This wasn't that easy and I just realised I left off someone who I should definitely have had on there but that's ok - not sure if they make it overall anyway.
All men. Majority from the USA, 4 are deceased.
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Mine are almost 100% personal preference
This. Technicality had nothing to do with it.
Mine are based on song writing skills and just overall what pumps my nads, my Temple Balls.
Actually, for me it's almost all down to how much their music has my reaching for my air guitar!
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Mine are almost 100% personal preference
This. Technicality had nothing to do with it.
Mine are based on song writing skills and just overall what pumps my nads, my Temple Balls.
Actually, for me it's almost all down to how much their music has my reaching for my air guitar!
You reach for your air guitar and Glasser reaches for his nads. ;D
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I may have the youngest at 20.
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Mine are almost 100% personal preference
This. Technicality had nothing to do with it.
Mine are based on song writing skills and just overall what pumps my nads, my Temple Balls.
Actually, for me it's almost all down to how much their music has my reaching for my air guitar!
You reach for your air guitar and Glasser reaches for his nads. ;D
You getting hot under the collar imaging that combo?
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I wasn't trying to be pedantic about the names, but with so many players out there, I'd rather not assume when it comes to shortening names or nicknames only.
Anyway...25 lists now, 247 guitarists listed.
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Mine are almost 100% personal preference
This. Technicality had nothing to do with it.
Mine are based on song writing skills and just overall what pumps my nads, my Temple Balls.
Actually, for me it's almost all down to how much their music has my reaching for my air guitar!
You reach for your air guitar and Glasser reaches for his nads. ;D
Yes, I reach for my nads while Luke shreds air guitar.
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Some of the criteria that factored into my ranking in no particular order.
Influence
Popularity
I can see why you'd factor those in if this was a "best" list, but since it's "favorite", why are those categories important to you?
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I wasn't trying to be pandemic about the names,
I hope you compiled the list with your mask on!
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Not sure I'll get this done. I'll try.
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Not sure I'll get this done. I'll try.
You're on my list if you completed the song "I Still Remember Someone Else". :)
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Not sure I'll get this done. I'll try.
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Not sure I'll get this done. I'll try.
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The list or song? :biggrin:
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Neither mate. :lol
I'll put 25 names down. Just struggling to find the motivation to do it. Will be a very generic list.
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The weird thing is that I have much more investment in my vocalist list than my guitarist list, even though I'm way more of a guitarist than a vocalist. Maybe it's something about being more interested in what I can't do myself, so I find it more impressive.
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The weird thing is that I have much more investment in my vocalist list than my guitarist list, even though I'm way more of a guitarist than a vocalist. Maybe it's something about being more interested in what I can't do myself, so I find it more impressive.
Yeah I think I'm with you there. I can't sing but play okay and had more interest in the vocalist one. Weird one.
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Neither mate. :lol
I'll put 25 names down. Just struggling to find the motivation to do it. Will be a very generic list.
So, in other words, a TAC list.
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Neither mate. :lol
I'll put 25 names down. Just struggling to find the motivation to do it. Will be a very generic list.
So, in other words, a TAC list.
So far my list is a yawner. But I like what I like. :\
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There are definitely more garden variety choices on my guitarist list than my favorite vocalist or theoretical top 25 bands lists. And less stylistic diversity.
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I've got 20 names on my list and I'm really struggling for another five :-\
I mean, there are tonnes of worthy guitarists missing but this is favourites, not the most worthy.
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I've got 20 names on my list and I'm really struggling for another five :-\
I mean, there are tonnes of worthy guitarists missing but this is favourites, not the most worthy.
I mean, for me personally, with certain bands I love I have both guitarists on my list. Actually, I have both guitarists from 5 bands looking at my list :lol
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Yeah. I could put all three Maiden guitarists on the list but... it'd be on the basis they all happen to play in one of my favourite bands :lol
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Yeah. I could put all three Maiden guitarists on the list but... it'd be on the basis they all happen to play in one of my favourite bands :lol
I get that, but for me my favourite bands are my favourite bands largely due to their guitarists. That's not to say all the guitarists in the list are just from my top 10 bands or something.
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Neither mate. :lol
I'll put 25 names down. Just struggling to find the motivation to do it. Will be a very generic list.
So, in other words, a TAC list.
:lol
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Yeah. I could put all three Maiden guitarists on the list but... it'd be on the basis they all happen to play in one of my favourite bands :lol
I get that, but for me my favourite bands are my favourite bands largely due to their guitarists. That's not to say all the guitarists in the list are just from my top 10 bands or something.
Yup, perfectly valid.
I guess it comes down to what defines our favourite guitarists. For some that'll be their technical wizardy, for others it'll be because they're excellent songwriters, for yet others it could just be their attitude or the guitars they play... there are myriad reasons.
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Yeah. I could put all three Maiden guitarists on the list but... it'd be on the basis they all happen to play in one of my favourite bands :lol
Nothing wrong with that.
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Yeah. I could put all three Maiden guitarists on the list but... it'd be on the basis they all happen to play in one of my favourite bands :lol
Nothing wrong with that.
I was very close to having two guitarists from the same band as well.
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Yeah, I was tempted to do that as well but didn't. If this was a top 50, would probably have to resort to that. :lol
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Neither mate. :lol
I'll put 25 names down. Just struggling to find the motivation to do it. Will be a very generic list.
So, in other words, a TAC list.
Hah!
I didn’t think my list was all that generic. It’s certainly not filled with technical wizardry, but it’s comprised of people whose music I enjoy the most.
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Scratched up a quick list and sent.
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List sent. While compiling that list, I realized that all my favorite players are fogeys. Damn I'm old. :D
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Sent!
Can't wait for the writeup and score. When does hangman begin? Oh wait, wrong thread... :biggrin:
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Sent!
I was surprised how heavily influenced my list was by the music I grew up with.
Also it's going to be fun following the thread. If I don't actively listen to the band, I struggle to remember who their guitarist is. I spend 40 minutes today trying to remember who is the guitarist of Rush. :lol I'll probably end up asking "who?" for like half of the reveals.
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I submitted a list in the end, too.
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How many we up to Kev?
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I submitted a list in the end, too.
That’s right where Kev likes it. ;D
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I'll have mine in later, sorry Kev. Thanks for doing this.... Again. :metal
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Speaking of the most decisive factors to include a guitarist in the list, for me it was mostly players that I spend most time looking up to, imitating and trying to find inspiration in both their technique and music. That said, I did include a number of players just because I especially enjoy "the guitar factor" in their music, even if I never felt compelled to try this type of playing myself.
Breakdown by geography.
UK 11
Spain 2
France 2
Czech Republic 3
USA 5
Japan 1
Sweden 1
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Geography is complicated. For example, Marty Friedman was born in Washington DC, but he's lived in Japan for over two decades now. Is he American or Japanese? Van Halen is consider an iconic example of an American band, but Eddie and Alex were born and raised in the Netherlands for the first decade of their lives, so is Eddie American or Dutch?
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I submitted a list in the end, too.
That’s right where Kev likes it. ;D
Only when you're the pitcher, sweetheart.
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Sent a list I’ll probably regret later. What can I say, it’s definitely not a ‘greatest ever’, but more a ‘current favourites’ and ‘past influences’. I wonder what metrics others used to compile theirs? I expect the majority of my list to not make the countdown, maybe even including 3 out of my top 5.
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Geography is complicated. For example, Marty Friedman was born in Washington DC, but he's lived in Japan for over two decades now. Is he American or Japanese? Van Halen is consider an iconic example of an American band, but Eddie and Alex were born and raised in the Netherlands for the first decade of their lives, so is Eddie American or Dutch?
I'd say it's not all that important, but unless Friedman has renounced his U.S. citizenship and become a citizen of Japan, he's American. If he's become a Japanese citizen, I'd call him American Japanese. Likewise, EVH was (and AVH is) a naturalized U.S. citizen. Also, everything of any importance was done after they moved to the U.S. and became U.S. citizens. You could, if you wanted, refer to them as Dutch American.
The same issue applies with Ritchie Blackmore, by the way. He's lived in the U.S. for nearly 50 years, but I don't think anyone would call him an American guitarist.
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Geography is complicated. For example, Marty Friedman was born in Washington DC, but he's lived in Japan for over two decades now. Is he American or Japanese? Van Halen is consider an iconic example of an American band, but Eddie and Alex were born and raised in the Netherlands for the first decade of their lives, so is Eddie American or Dutch?
I'd say it's not all that important, but unless Friedman has renounced his U.S. citizenship and become a citizen of Japan, he's American. If he's become a Japanese citizen, I'd call him American Japanese. Likewise, EVH was (and AVH is) a naturalized U.S. citizen. Also, everything of any importance was done after they moved to the U.S. and became U.S. citizens. You could, if you wanted, refer to them as Dutch American.
The same issue applies with Ritchie Blackmore, by the way. He's lived in the U.S. for nearly 50 years, but I don't think anyone would call him an American guitarist.
Did I mention that at one point he lived about 10 minutes from the house I lived in until I graduated from college? :) :) :)
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My list is in. I know I missed a few but my top 10 is definitive.
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Geography is complicated. For example, Marty Friedman was born in Washington DC, but he's lived in Japan for over two decades now. Is he American or Japanese? Van Halen is consider an iconic example of an American band, but Eddie and Alex were born and raised in the Netherlands for the first decade of their lives, so is Eddie American or Dutch?
I'd say it's not all that important, but unless Friedman has renounced his U.S. citizenship and become a citizen of Japan, he's American. If he's become a Japanese citizen, I'd call him American Japanese. Likewise, EVH was (and AVH is) a naturalized U.S. citizen. Also, everything of any importance was done after they moved to the U.S. and became U.S. citizens. You could, if you wanted, refer to them as Dutch American.
The same issue applies with Ritchie Blackmore, by the way. He's lived in the U.S. for nearly 50 years, but I don't think anyone would call him an American guitarist.
Did I mention that at one point he lived about 10 minutes from the house I lived in until I graduated from college? :) :) :)
You also failed to mention the restraining order he took out on you.
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Geography is complicated. For example, Marty Friedman was born in Washington DC, but he's lived in Japan for over two decades now. Is he American or Japanese? Van Halen is consider an iconic example of an American band, but Eddie and Alex were born and raised in the Netherlands for the first decade of their lives, so is Eddie American or Dutch?
I'd say it's not all that important, but unless Friedman has renounced his U.S. citizenship and become a citizen of Japan, he's American. If he's become a Japanese citizen, I'd call him American Japanese. Likewise, EVH was (and AVH is) a naturalized U.S. citizen. Also, everything of any importance was done after they moved to the U.S. and became U.S. citizens. You could, if you wanted, refer to them as Dutch American.
The same issue applies with Ritchie Blackmore, by the way. He's lived in the U.S. for nearly 50 years, but I don't think anyone would call him an American guitarist.
Did I mention that at one point he lived about 10 minutes from the house I lived in until I graduated from college? :) :) :)
You also failed to mention the restraining order he took out on you.
I felt it was a trivial detail. ;)
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I wonder what metrics others used to compile theirs?
As analytical as I'd like to be about it, it's mostly just an intuition. Some combination of how much time I've spent listening to them, how much I notice their playing, how memorable I find their parts, the influence they've had on me as a player, how much I like their tone(s), and many other things.
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But that’s an interesting point. Some of us are guitarists, we probably listen for other stuff, and/or make our lists in different ways. There’s a lot of good guitarists who I actually like that didn’t make my list, partly because I didn’t think of them when making this one, or because their ‘guitar playing’ isn’t what defines them to me, if that makes sense. Anyway, the final list is going to be wild!
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Here’s my country distribution.
Usa 13
England 8
Netherlands 1
Australia 1
Sweden 1
Israel 1
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My metric is how much the actual playing has moved me. From the first day that I started listening to music the guitar was the instrument that fascinated me the most. I spent hours and hours listening to the guitar parts in certain songs that spoke to me in some ways. That's probably the reason why my favorite players are all from past decades, although most are still active. I discovered them in my formative years.
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I'm also willing to bet that my list will be the one with the least guitarists that are generally considered rock and/or metal. That's not a statistic I aimed for when compiling my list, but it's a coincidental result of me making this list based on two distinct parts in my musical history.
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My metric is how much the actual playing has moved me. From the first day that I started listening to music the guitar was the instrument that fascinated me the most. I spent hours and hours listening to the guitar parts in certain songs that spoke to me in some ways. That's probably the reason why my favorite players are all from past decades, although most are still active. I discovered them in my formative years.
Perfectly stated, this was the approach I took as well.
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34 lists now, 301 guitarists listed.
And now it is clear why threads on the 80s do so well here. :lol Seemingly every guitarist from the 80s has been listed on at least one list. Meanwhile, I can think of several notable guitarists who made their bones in the late 60's/early 70s who have yet to get listed on even one list.
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It'll be interesting to see what the full list will look like at the end.
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And now it is clear why threads on the 80s do so well here. :lol Seemingly every guitarist from the 80s has been listed on at least one list.
It really shouldn't be surprising, given that DT formed and released their first album in the 80s, and especially for the first couple albums sounded a fair amount like a number of other 80s bands.
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34 lists now, 301 guitarists listed.
And now it is clear why threads on the 80s do so well here. :lol Seemingly every guitarist from the 80s has been listed on at least one list. Meanwhile, I can think of several notable guitarists who made their bones in the late 60's/early 70s who have yet to get listed on even one list.
Going by when they first became somewhat “known” (as opposed to just when they debuted), my list looks something like this:
70s: 7
80s: 7
90s: 7
00s: 2
10s: 2
Kind of surprised how balanced it is among the 70s, 80s, and 90s.
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That's quite difficult to quantify in many cases, so I just consider first major release. Oddly I have more that started in the 60s than in the 70s, and an abundance from the 80s, but I do have some from each decade starting with the 60s. Definitely more evenly distributed than my vocalist list or favorite bands list would be.
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ok...this is basically done from first major release as well.
60's- 5
70's- 5
80's- 3
90's- 2
00's- 2
10's- 7
20's- 1
Now this is very interesting...in the 90s and 00s I was drunk and not exploring any new music, basically buried in 6 or 7 bands. In '11 I got sober and found DTF, and my favorite players explode.
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That's quite difficult to quantify in many cases, so I just consider first major release. Oddly I have more that started in the 60s than in the 70s, and an abundance from the 80s, but I do have some from each decade starting with the 60s. Definitely more evenly distributed than my vocalist list or favorite bands list would be.
Yeah, it more or less lines up with major releases.
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'50s - 1*
'60s - 9
'70s - 8
'80s - 7**
* - His first recordings were in the '50s, but he came to fame in the '60s. He was considered "discovered" in the '50s.
** - I have two guys whose first recordings (one as bass player, one as a guitar player in a group) were in the '70s, but their main gig - and when they were considered "discovered" - was in the '80s.
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34 lists now, 301 guitarists listed.
And now it is clear why threads on the 80s do so well here. :lol Seemingly every guitarist from the 80s has been listed on at least one list. Meanwhile, I can think of several notable guitarists who made their bones in the late 60's/early 70s who have yet to get listed on even one list.
Well, its more preference on my end. I could make a list of amazing guitarists that I don't listen to but my list represents players who pump my nads.
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20's- 1
I feel a little uneasy about some of my players from the 10s making an all-time list, but at least I've had over half a decade to be pretty confident about them. But someone from the last few years really makes me curious. How much material have they released, and how can you be sure they're not just a novelty? I'm always interested in the reasoning behind decisions I can't bring myself to choose.
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One of mine that I listed from the 70s probably wasn’t well known outside of his home country until the 90s, but he had a long career before then so it doesn’t seem right to say he’s from the 90s.
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I'm all 70's & 80's with one 90's guy.
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I'm all 70's & 80's with one 90's guy.
My list is all 60's and 70's. :neverusethis:
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Somewhere, Steven Wilson is reading this thread and muttering to himself, "See, I told everyone the electric guitar was a thing of the past..." :lol :biggrin:
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Steven Wilson wishes he’d be on my list :neverusethis:
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301 different names?! Up to 276 won't even be mentioned. I'm curious though, if we're going to have like an 80 way tie for 25th.
I also just noticed one guy was ranked in the same place on both my singer and guitarist lists.
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He wouldn’t have made my top 25, but I forgot to put Steven Wilson on my long list before I narrowed it down. I do think he’s a creative soloist.
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Going by when they first became somewhat “known” (as opposed to just when they debuted), my list looks something like this:
70s: 7
80s: 7
90s: 7
00s: 2
10s: 2
I think I have one from the '90s, one from the '10s, and the rest are split almost evenly (12-11) between the '70s and '80s (although you could make an argument that two of my '80s guys should count for the '90s).
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34 lists now, 301 guitarists listed.
And now it is clear why threads on the 80s do so well here. :lol Seemingly every guitarist from the 80s has been listed on at least one list. Meanwhile, I can think of several notable guitarists who made their bones in the late 60's/early 70s who have yet to get listed on even one list.
With hours to go, I will unpack this a little by mentioning two.
Ted Nugent - I am not surprised to see him not get mentioned on any lists, but I do think he qualifies as a notable guitarist from the early classic rock days.
Joe Walsh - this one stuns me. He barely missed my top 25, and I thought for sure he'd squeeze on to a few lists, on the strength alone of the Hotel California (which he shares with Don Felder). Not that his greatness is summed up in one solo, but that has long been considered one of the most iconic solos in the history of rock, and combining that with his body of work, he is one of the greats.
I will leave that for discussion as I leave for the evening (for a while at least).
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Ted Nugent and Joe Walsh - if I had to submit a top 100 neither still would have made it. Just not my thing and zero influence on me.
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I very much considered Joe Walsh but he just didn’t quite make my cut.
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I though Ted Nugent was really cool growing up but mostly because of Damn Yankees. I never really cared for his solo stuff. Then I learned more about his whole womanizing schtick and then I realized how dumb his political schtick was, so now I don’t consider him my favorite anything. But that second Damn Yankees album is pretty good.
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I though Ted Nugent was really cool growing up but mostly because of Damn Yankees. I never really cared for his solo stuff. Then I learned more about his whole womanizing schtick and then I realized how dumb his political schtick was, so now I don’t consider him my favorite anything. But that second Damn Yankees album is pretty good.
Not sure I made it past their first album.
His 70's stuff is pretty smoking though, especially the live stuff, which gave his songs more bite than they had in the studio.
I thought of him, but never actually considered him for my countdown. I didn't even think of Joe Walsh.
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I'm not putting guitarists on my lists based on the strength of just one solo. Eagles isn't exactly my thing, so Joe Walsh was never really an option.
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I like The Eagles and I like Joe Walsh, as much as I like probably 100 other guitar players, plus the 25 that I like even better and therefore made my list.
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I didn't know who Joe Walsh was until Kev posted.
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I didn't know who Joe Walsh was until Kev posted.
I think this may be me for this whole thread.
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You guys have never heard of Joe Walsh? :eek
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You guys have never heard of Joe Walsh? :eek
As I said, if I don't listen to the band, I most likely don't know who their guitarist is. Even though I've heard of Eagles and obviously heard Hotel California.
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Yeah, fair enough. I guess my interest in playing the guitar gives me an advantage knowing a lot of guitarists that I wouldn't listen to. Even older ones, despite my age.
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Yeah, Walsh didn't make my list either even though I love his playing. His work on the first three James Gang albums is very good.
As for Uncle Ted...if this thread was around in the 1970's he would have been in the top five of my list, but a great deal of better players, who've written better music, have rose to the top.
I'm feeling pretty off with my list. There are several players that should have been on my list but I just plain forgot until after submitting. :\
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Bring on tomorrow :corn
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34 lists now, 301 guitarists listed.
And now it is clear why threads on the 80s do so well here. :lol Seemingly every guitarist from the 80s has been listed on at least one list. Meanwhile, I can think of several notable guitarists who made their bones in the late 60's/early 70s who have yet to get listed on even one list.
Going by when they first became somewhat “known” (as opposed to just when they debuted), my list looks something like this:
70s: 7
80s: 7
90s: 7
00s: 2
10s: 2
Kind of surprised how balanced it is among the 70s, 80s, and 90s.
Just realized one of my 70s was actually from the 60s (but only just barely).
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You guys have never heard of Joe Walsh? :eek
Were the Eagles (or the James Gang or Joe Walsh solo) ever big outside the U.S.? And what has Joe Walsh done in the last 30 years? I know you're not in the U.S. and under 40, but you're also a big guitar guy, and I wouldn't expect a lot of younger non-Americans to know him.
I know Wash from the Eagles and like a few Eagles songs, but I don't consider them to have any noteworthy guitar playing.
As for Uncle Ted, he sort of had a legendary status when I started getting into rock music in the early '80s. However, I'm not sure I could name more than two of his solo songs (Cat Scratch Fever and Wango Tango are the only ones that come to mind) and only one Damn Yankees song.
I'm with The Realm...neither of these guys would've made a top 100.
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I know Wash from the Eagles and like a few Eagles songs, but I don't consider them to have any noteworthy guitar playing.
I will say it again, then: the guitar solo at the end of Hotel California, played by Joe Walsh and Don Felder, has long been considered one of the most iconic guitar solos in the history of the rock genre. Whether you, I or anyone else likes it, that is the rep it has had since last century.
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Yeah, that's a guitar solo for eternity, whether one likes it or not is irrelevant.
But, as Elite said, one solo isn't enough to make Joe Walsh a favorite player. And then it's only half a solo as he's trading lines with Don Felder.
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I get that, but I was replying to the assertion that they don't have any noteworthy guitar playing. Even if it is just the one solo, having one of the most iconic guitar solos ever IS noteworthy.
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Both are, undeniably, GREAT guitar players. And there are undeniably GREAT players that didn't make my list - Alan Holdsworth comes to mind IMMEDIATELY - but what they all have in common is none of them have a song or riff or solo that gives me chills, or makes me lose myself. With one exception, there are NO guitarists on my list that I have to actively think "oh, yeah, they're really good".
I will say this: there are a LOT of famous guitar players that consider Walsh to be at the highest level of ability. He's been in Ringo Starr's band for a couple of tours (that's no small thing) as well as playing on most of his latter day solo albums, and done a wildly diverse number of sessions (including with BB King, and others). He was in "The Best", a band with Keith Emerson, John Entwistle, Jeff "Skunk" Baxter - one of the greatest guitar players of all time - and Simon Phillips. Both Clapton and Townsend have spoke effusively about Walsh. Not a measure of his ability, but he also gave Jimmy Page his Les Paul that he came to call "Number 1" back in 1969. He is rather well known in the Australian/New Zealand area, having tourted there extensively, and playing with a reggae band "The Herbs" (who did the original version of "Ordinary Average Guy").
It's fine to say "he doesn't do it for me", but like the solo in Hotel California, there's no real objective argument that he shouldn't be worthy of it if he appeared on any lists. (I would credit his not being on any lists because of the blandness of the Eagles - he's got FAR more solo work than Eagles work - and the sort of "jokey"/"wild" nature of his image. He's known as a comic, and a partier, and even his voice is a little funny sounding, nasal and slurred. I think that overshadows a monster of a guitar player.
Billy Gibbons is another I'm interested in finding out about. Didn't make my list for the same reasons, but even Hendrix said Gibbons was one of if not the best guitar player he's ever seen.
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I love Gibbons, but he didn't make my list either. There's simply too many great players, young and old, out there.
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I would have mentioned Gibbons along with Nugent and Walsh as a notable 70s guitarist who didn't make a list had he not made any. I will leave it at that. :)
Walsh always strikes me as a laid back guy who just wants to get high and play his guitar. The James Gang song Take a Look Around is my go-to when I want some killer guitar playing by him. And he is not playing guitar for a chunk of the song, but when he does...oh man. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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And there are undeniably GREAT players that didn't make my list - Alan Holdsworth comes to mind IMMEDIATELY
Holdsworth is on my honorable mentions list.
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I would have mentioned Gibbons along with Nugent and Walsh as a notable 70s guitarist who didn't make a list had he not made any. I will leave it at that. :)
Walsh always strikes me as a laid back guy who just wants to get high and play his guitar. The James Gang song Take a Look Around is my go-to when I want some killer guitar playing by him. And he is not playing guitar for a chunk of the song, but when he does...oh man. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
i think that was probably the case the first half of his career, but not the latter half. As much as I dislike the Eagles guys (I DETEST Glenn Frey and Henley isn't far behind, he just has better songs) for them to continually throw in with Walsh on EVERY incarnation of the band since he joined is a testament to his ability. They have bailed on people for a lot less than Walsh's addiction antics, but they didn't play like Walsh.
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I of course know The Eagles, and Hotel California, but I couldn't tell you a single member of the band (obviously). It's like in the vocalist countdown, I had no idea who Delp was, but knew the Boston hits.
I forsee this countdown being an education in who the hell certain guitarists for certain bands are.
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Walsh is definitely worthy of discussion, and not just for a solo, but for his body of work. He didn't even cross my mind when making mine though, even though I do recognize his skills and impact. If I was making an influential list or something of that sort, he'd probably get more consideration, but this list is favorites. That's why, instead of a legend like Walsh, I got a 20 year old prodigy. Because they're a favorite of mine.
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I didn't know Joe Walsh was in James Gang, that's interesting :)
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Couldn't manage to come up with a list, but looking forward to seeing how this all shakes out.
Read an awesome quote a while ago from someone who proclaimed to be in the music business (he could have been full of BS). "Everything you've heard about Joe Walsh is true, he is indeed the nicest man in the music industry; everything you've heard about Glen Frey is true, he is indeed the biggest asshole in the music industry."
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Couldn't manage to come up with a list, but looking forward to seeing how this all shakes out.
Read an awesome quote a while ago from someone who proclaimed to be in the music business (he could have been full of BS). "Everything you've heard about Joe Walsh is true, he is indeed the nicest man in the music industry; everything you've heard about Glen Frey is true, he is indeed the biggest asshole in the music industry."
Didn't Charles Manson hang out with the Eagles? Maybe he was talking smack. :lol
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I played Hotel California in a duo years ago. It's a lot of fun to play with some cool stuff going on. The whole outro solo is magical, very creative and not a single part out of place or uninteresting. Tasty playing from both Joe and Don. Great duel.
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I played Hotel California in a duo years ago. It's a lot of fun to play with some cool stuff going on. The whole outro solo is magical, very creative and not a single part out of place or uninteresting. Tasty playing from both Joe and Don. Great duel.
The guitars sing as much as the vocals do! Hey did you get my PM?
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I played Hotel California in a duo years ago. It's a lot of fun to play with some cool stuff going on. The whole outro solo is magical, very creative and not a single part out of place or uninteresting. Tasty playing from both Joe and Don. Great duel.
The guitars sing as much as the vocals do! Hey did you get my PM?
Shit yes, meant to go back to it. So sorry mate.
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Didn't Charles Manson hang out with the Eagles? Maybe he was talking smack. :lol
He hung out with a lot of musicians. Surrounding yourself with a whole mess of brainwashed jailbait pushing the free love ethos will get you into some pretty good parties. :lol None of the Eagles come up in any of the stories, but it wouldn't surprise me if he crossed paths with one of them at some point by way of the girls.
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Okay, let's get this started...
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25 Stevie Ray Vaughan
Appeared on 7 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (hefdaddy42)
2 Top 10 Finishes
He would have made my list 20-25 years ago, but I just don't listen to much anymore. Plus, given how little I listen to the blues, I couldn't justify putting two on my list who are mainly blues players (I had one, at 25). Still, he was an awesome player, and songs like Texas Flood, Pride and Joy and Couldn't Stand the Weather are still pretty amazing.
24 Chris DeGarmo
Appeared on 8 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 6 (DragonAttack, pg1067)
3 Top 10 Finishes
I admittedly didn't even consider DeGarmo, but there are enough Queensryche fans here where I wasn't surprised he got some love. I didn't think he'd made the top 25, so this is a bit of a shock to me, but I get it. I suspect his songwriting skills help his rep a lot as well.
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I never got into SRV, but I did consider DeGarmo. Neither made my list though.
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Two that never even entered my head.
I can appreciate Stevie Ray Vaughan, and like a few of his songs. I'm not really a Queensryche fan, and wouldn't have been able to tell you who DeGarmo is, without this post.
Anyone want to post links to two or three examples of why these guys should make the list? I'll certainly do it, IF anyone I voted for even makes the list :lol
Also, great gif to start us off Kev
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SRV didn't make my list (barely) but he is undeniably a monster player. High action and strings the size of ropes his command of the instrument is almost unparallel. For me it's the songs that ranked him lower, I like a lot of his stuff but it just isn't something I check out frequently
Chris DeGarmo didn't make my list. Great player and helped write some of the best QR tunes but his chops didn't align with some of the other players on my list.
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SRV made my list at number 25. Lovely player with a huge arsenal of licks. He was at his best when he dialed back the frantic, though.
While I've listened to a ton of Queensryche over the years, it's never been the guitars or solos that ever stuck with me. The appeal was always in the vocal melodies.
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I like SRV a lot. 20 years ago would definitely have been on the list, same as Jimi, but I just don’t listen to it anymore like I used to.
I considered the QR guys but for me their highs were 2-3 albums- worth between them, and I would struggle to know who played what specifically
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Had SRV at 11. Dude just has so much passion, energy, raw talent and personality. Hasn't directly influenced my playing but I always love listening to him and would have killed to see him live before he died.
DeGarmo is dandy in Queensryche but that style never really stood out to me or inspired me much, so he didn't make my list.
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SRV is of course an absolute legend, just never clicked much with me personally. (aside from him being a sober member of AA for years)
Not a massive QR fan.
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I have SRV at #13. Great, passionate player. His rendition of Hendrix' Little Wing on The Sky Is Crying is unparalleled.
Chris DeGarmo is good but he's one of the 100 other good players that didn't make my list. And with every band that has two or more guitar players, it's sometimes not so easy to decide who plays what and who should be my favorite.
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0/2 so far. Both talented, but no where near my top favorite list.
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Man, who did list DeGarmo?
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Weirdly I've heard of both but I wouldn't be able to tell you which band they played in. Needless to say I'm 0/2 for now.
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Anyone want to share any DeGarmo links? Just want to see what I've been missing.
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Man, who did list DeGarmo?
I did not submit a list, but if I had, I would have had him in my top 5 easily.
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Anyone want to share any DeGarmo links? Just want to see what I've been missing.
Um, just pump his name into youtube and you should be good to go.
I've always considered the "Anybody Listening?" to be a high-water mark for DeGarmo on all fronts.
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Even though I didn't have the time to pull a list together I'm looking forward to following along with this one. SRV would have been up there for me, such amazing feel to his playing. Riviera Paradise is just a straight-up masterpiece. DeGarmo wouldn't have come close to my list. Operation: Mindcrime is an absolute favorite, but I've largely been uninterested in QR outside of that one album. Also, like someone else said, the guitar work is not the main draw for me in the Queensryche I do enjoy.
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Anyone want to share any DeGarmo links? Just want to see what I've been missing.
Um, just pump his name into youtube and you should be good to go.
I've always considered the "Anybody Listening?" to be a high-water mark for DeGarmo on all fronts.
I'm happy to do so, I know how it can go though, sometimes the most popular songs aren't the best, and I know DTF will hit me with those deep cuts
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I was never a fan of Stevie, but I do like DeGarmo, even though I didn't rank him. However, knowing how much the board loves Queensryche, I am surprised he didn't end up in the top fifteen at least.
This countdown will be fun to read through, but I'm not expecting many of the guys from my list to show up. I included plenty of folks from the alternative scene that I love for their chord progressions, melodic sensibilities or the general vibe, they aren't actually shredders or technical players that would get ranked by other members.
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I voted Chris as my # 16. I'm a big fan of Queensryche from 83 to 97 (hell, I even like a good amount of Taterÿche) and I think, besides Chris being an amazing composer - let's face it, QR was what it was, at least 80% because of him - he was was also a great guitar player because its excellent guitar arrangements to the songs, remarkable guitar solos and precise live performances. Also, the guitar players that I chose have more to do with a combo of qualities envolving their overall musicality than I focusing mostly on their technical skills.
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I voted Chris as my # 16. I'm a big fan of Queensryche from 83 to 97 (hell, I even like a good amount of Taterÿche) and I think, besides Chris being an amazing composer - let's face it, QR was what it was, at least 80% because of him - he was was also a great guitar player because its excellent guitar arrangements to the songs, remarkable guitar solos and precise live performances. Also, the guitar players that I chose have more to do with a combo of qualities envolving their overall musicality than I focusing mostly on their technical skills.
This is exactly why I listed him, as well. His playing is great but the composition/writing aspect while he was in QR was the high water mark for the band (IMO).
I'd echo the previous comments on SRV, as well. He's a legend, a monster even in blues, I just don't listen to much blues anymore and out of sight out of mind.
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25 Stevie Ray Vaughan
Appeared on 7 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (hefdaddy42)
2 Top 10 Finishes
He would have made my list 20-25 years ago, but I just don't listen to much anymore. Plus, given how little I listen to the blues, I couldn't justify putting two on my list who are mainly blues players (I had one, at 25). Still, he was an awesome player, and songs like Texas Flood, Pride and Joy and Couldn't Stand the Weather are still pretty amazing.
24 Chris DeGarmo
Appeared on 8 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 6 (DragonAttack, pg1067)
3 Top 10 Finishes
I admittedly didn't even consider DeGarmo, but there are enough Queensryche fans here where I wasn't surprised he got some love. I didn't think he'd made the top 25, so this is a bit of a shock to me, but I get it. I suspect his songwriting skills help his rep a lot as well.
Needless to say, I think highly of DeGarmo. From my perspective, he's more responsible for what Queensryche was than any of the other guys (maybe not by much, but he was the man). It's also possible that I ranked him so highly because of other things than guitar playing (songwriting and BG vox).
No comments re Vaughn since I don't like his genre.
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Clearly, I love SRV, since I had him ranked at # 1. I was shocked he only snuck in at 25, until I remembered that most of the people voting here only (or largely) listen to metal and prog music lol.
Which, in my mind, also explains why DeGarmo (whom I didn't spend one second considering) is ranked ahead of SRV (or ranked at all), since I don't remember ever hearing him mentioned in such rarified air. Maybe it has to do with how much some people like Queensryche around here? *shrugs*
Let's see how the rest of the list unfolds!
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Clearly, I love SRV, since I had him ranked at # 1. I was shocked he only snuck in at 25, until I remembered that most of the people voting here only (or largely) listen to metal and prog music lol.
Which, in my mind, also explains why DeGarmo (whom I didn't spend one second considering) is ranked ahead of SRV (or ranked at all), since I don't remember ever hearing him mentioned in such rarified air. Maybe it has to do with how much some people like Queensryche around here? *shrugs*
Let's see how the rest of the list unfolds!
Yeah, I would have had SRV in the top 3. He's simply that good, whether you like his genre of music or not (and he plays within several). CDG was never on my radar. Nothing against the guy, but to me his talent is songwriting rather than playing.
Honestly, this is pretty much why I so seldom participate in these sorts of things. As I'd mentioned before, I've got my own standard for "favorite," and others have their own. The first two results are absolutely baffling to me. Almost absurd, actually. But it's just the way other people qualify these sorts of things. Nothing wrong with that. Just doesn't really jibe with my reality.
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Totally spaced SRV on my list. :facepalm: Oh well, like I said it was quick and dirty. :dunno:
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I had Degarmo #22, and a lot of that IS based on song-writing but he played a lot of great stuff in his heyday. And I pretty much agree with El Barto on these kinds of lists, even though they can be fun they're also frustrating when people omit an absolute "no doubter" from their list (like EVH for example in this list but that certainly applies to the singers list as well).
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SRV should be on any best guitarists list. Never heard of Chris
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Reminder that this isn’t a “best” or “greatest” guitarist list. It’s just which 25 guys are your personal favorites.
I don’t think either SRV or DeGarmo being on the list or their particular placement is surprising. They are both highly regarded players. DeGarmo certainly had both chops and the ability to write some great songs, and obviously a lot of folks here are into QR. SRV is definitely considered a legend by many, but I wouldn’t expect him to be the personal favorite of most people on this forum.
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SRV should be on any best guitarists list. Never heard of Chris
Then, I suppose you never heard of Queensryche either. He was one of the founding members.
CD was ranked #12 on my list.
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I have heard of Queensryche and don’ care about them enough to know the names of the guys in the band, aside from Geoff Tate whose name I have seen before.
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My running list reveal:
5. SRV - Just a monster of a player who devoted his life to his craft 100%+. His passion was inspiring. Still love his output and wish he was still around. :'(
DeGarmo I know and appreciate but wasn't considered.
I'm going to try a running ranker for guitar brand that they're most known to play, using Kev's metrics. If that makes any sense. I might need some insight down the line, as I already had to look into DeGarmo's gear.
ESP 2 pts.
Fender 1pt.
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I'm going to try a running ranker for primary guitar makes used by the list, using Kev's metrics. If that makes any sense.
ESP 2 pts.
Fender 1pt.
That would be cool to see :tup though how would you handle artist that play different guitar styles?
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A list of the " best" guitar players is bound to be highly subjective, a list of favorite players even more so. I'm sure there are a lot of surprises of players that will appear and players that are omitted.
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Great start! I had neither but when you do your list purely by sitting down with a pen and paper and doing it organically its not influenced by any suggestion.
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That would be cool to see :tup though how would you handle artist that play different guitar styles?
Good question. Not sure yet. I guess just making a judgment call on what they're most known for. We'll see!
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SRV should be on any best guitarists list.
I neither agree nor disagree with this statement but note that this isn't a "best guitarists" countdown/list (which is good because there's really no such thing because it's all subjective).
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Maybe it has to do with how much some people like Queensryche around here? *shrugs*
This is the thing though. Favourite bands do not necessarily favourite guitar players. I think with my list I did make that distinction between the guitar player and the band or group the player happens to be in. The latter may have influenced the former, but to take the Steven Wilson example; I love (most of) his music, but I don’t consider his work and playing to be anything extraordinary enough to warrant his name on this list.
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SRV is a monster; I saw him in 1988 at my college - a farm town in north east Connecticut - playing in mid-afternoon on the back of a flatbed parked in the corner of a football practice field. And yet he and Double Trouble played like it was Antone's in Texas. So powerful; I don't think I've ever seen a guitar player HANDLE his instrument that completely. It was a part of him. I easily could have - and maybe should have - him higher, but it is what it is.
Highlights: "Little Wing" from The Sky Is Crying, Scuttle Buttin', and ANYTHING from that first Montreaux show where he got booed, and yet just kept doubling down and playing harder.
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Maybe it has to do with how much some people like Queensryche around here? *shrugs*
This is the thing though. Favourite bands do not necessarily favourite guitar players. .
Oh, I agree with that. But I'm not sure why a non-QR fan would vote for DeGarmo.
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I, for one, am content to enjoy these countdown threads for what they are...It's Top favorite something. Not Best or Greatest...No need to try to pretend be objective (like pretty much all lists compiled by pro journalists do), no need to justify one's tastes. The fact that the highest ranked artists/songs/albums are pretty much just an intersection of, to borrow from El Barto, our different musical realities doesn't make it any less enjoyable. To the contrary. In this countdown, although I am quite sure that this is gonna be the first time my n. 1 and a many others in my Top 10 won't even make it, I am still quite pumped to see how this is going to shake out and if at least someone here shares some of the more "exotic" part of my musical reality....
Re: today's reveals: I didn't rank SRV for a simple reason that I don't like blues all that much. Though I am aware of his enormous reputation.
I ranked CDG at 22. Certainly not for his chops, these are just adequate, but definitely not spectacular. I just like QR and really enjoy their guitar playing and sound. I didn't feel like ranking both QR guitarists so CDG got a nod because he was an exceptional songwriter. A remarkable musician all around.
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To be clear, I was not complaining. I was just really surprised (at first).
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This is definitely one of the few corners of the internet where Chris DeGarmo would rank higher than SRW on favorite guitarists list.
I worked with a guy in my 20s who was a massive SRV fan and said the thought that went through his head when he heard about his death was, "Why couldn't it have been Clapton?" :eek :eek :lol :lol
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This is definitely one of the few corners of the internet where Chris DeGarmo would rank higher than SRW on favorite guitarists list.
I worked with a guy in my 20s who was a massive SRV fan and said the thought that went through his head when he heard about his death was, "Why couldn't it have been Clapton?" :eek :eek :lol :lol
Clapton would not have made my list. BB King, neither.
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Clapton wouldn't have made my top 100 (which has nada to do with recent revelations about his political leanings and whatnot). Outside of Cream and then a handful of post-Cream songs, I have never cared much for Clapton. I mean, he was okay, but he was never someone I went out of my to hear, outside of some Cream songs, Layla and a couple solo songs.
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My main interest in Clapton is for his later period pop stuff (Tears in Heaven, Change The World, Unplugged, etc.).
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My main interest in Clapton is for his later period pop stuff (Tears in Heaven, Change The World, Unplugged, etc.).
That's too bad, because that's fairly pedestrian stuff. Not bad songs, that's not what I mean, but not demonstrably his, only capable of being played by him.
His stuff that really set him apart from other people and made graffitti appear saying things like CLAPTON IS GOD was his stuff from the 60s with John Mayall and Cream.
But he hasn't been like that since then, which is why Clapton didn't make my list.
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I mean, I’ve heard some Cream stuff and lots of his earlier solo stuff, I just don’t particularly care for that style of music.
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Clapton wouldn't have made my top 100 (which has nada to do with recent revelations about his political leanings and whatnot). Outside of Cream and then a handful of post-Cream songs, I have never cared much for Clapton. I mean, he was okay, but he was never someone I went out of my to hear, outside of some Cream songs, Layla and a couple solo songs.
This is me. I saw him live, twice, he was great, but there are more songs I turn off from the radio as I would turn on (I can't STAND "I Shot The Sheriff", the acoustic "Layla", or "Tears In Heaven").
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Clapton wouldn't have made my top 100 (which has nada to do with recent revelations about his political leanings and whatnot). Outside of Cream and then a handful of post-Cream songs, I have never cared much for Clapton. I mean, he was okay, but he was never someone I went out of my to hear, outside of some Cream songs, Layla and a couple solo songs.
This is me. I saw him live, twice, he was great, but there are more songs I turn off from the radio as I would turn on (I can't STAND "I Shot The Sheriff", the acoustic "Layla", or "Tears In Heaven").
Yeah - I always thought he was overrated. Same with Hendrix.
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Hendrix is/was awesome and deserves all the praise.
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Hendrix was great and overrated. Clapton is just overrated.
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Hendrix was great and overrated. Clapton is just overrated.
I can get on board with this.
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25 Stevie Ray Vaughan
Appeared on 7 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (hefdaddy42)
2 Top 10 Finishes
24 Chris DeGarmo
Appeared on 8 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 6 (DragonAttack, pg1067)
3 Top 10 Finishes
OK, great start. No matter which way this countdown goes I think we can all be pretty sure that this list is going to throw up some curveballs for all of us at times. Today isn't one of those days for me as I am pretty happy to see these two names.
Stevie Ray Vaughn - was very seriously considered for my top 25 but just missed out. I just don't listen to him enough or at all these days and like Kev said, probably would have easily make my list if this was done years ago.
Chris DeGarmo - my number 7. Chris is just a major influence on me and my musical journey. I pretty much worshipped the guy in the late 80s, early 90s. This is a list of favourites and with Chris it is much more than just guitar solos. I am stoked to see him make the overall top 25 so big kudos to those who ranked him as you have made my day (especially DragonAttack & pg for the other top 10 finishes).
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Hendrix was great and overrated. Clapton is just overrated.
This.
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Hendrix was great and overrated. Clapton is just overrated.
I can get on board with this.
I’m in this club too.
Reminds of a conversation I overheard at work around 1990, guys were arguing over Richards vs Townsend. It was 1990, not 1966. Not sure if they were aware other guys had picked up the guitar since those boys did.
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Never cared for SRV, but can appreciate the influence.
Chris obviously gets a mention here for his influence and song writing in Queensryche as opposed to his guitar playing, which is fine but didn't expect to see him here honestly.
He's certainly no slouch in the guitar department though. He's no shredder but a few solos that pop to mind instantly are;
Take Hold of the Flame - well crafted and builds nicely into a wonderful climax
Jet City Woman - Always loved how Chris bring it with the double stop bend at the start after the quiet bit. The end of the solo has some cool stuff going on in it also as he builds to the end.
The Killing Words - Simple in nature but he portrays the feel in this one perfectly. His bends especially portray the sadness and angst of someone going through a breakup IMO, especially that one with the artificial harmonic. I love the start, great lick then that little part at 2:17 is very cool.
Bridge - Underrated cut with a nice melodic B minor solo (Reminds me of a mix of Killing Words and Take Hold. Short simple but great feel. That lick going into 1:40 is fantastic.
One More Time - Another underrated cut and the highlight from PL for me. He loves starting his solos with those double stop bends but it works everytime. That first section has slight Killing Words feels also as he slides down into that little almost harmonic minor sounding thing going on there.
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I saw SRV IN 1990. 8th row. A mind blowing experience. Seeing him play "Life Without You" with a white spotlight and another on a disco ball. I got goosebumps.
Chris DeGarmo adds so much to Queensryche that's missed to this day his songwriting, his sublime playing, his harmonies. Both excellent choices.
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Hendrix was great and overrated. Clapton is just overrated.
It's always hard for me to make statements like that because it's tough to go back in time and try to listen to them through a perspective of that moment. What I will say is that Jimi was pretty fresh for the time being but I don't think guitar playing would be largely different if he didn't exist. I do think he is overrated.
I've listened to Cream a few times and I just don't see anything mind blowing for claptop honestly. He is a great player, no doubt about it, but from that era I feel like guitar players had the chops and the swagger which I think Clapton lacked.
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Yes, I've simply never understood by Clapton is so highly regarded as a guitar player. Blows my mind truthfully.
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Also on the subject of Cream, the trio was great but Jack and Ginger were more irreplicable than Clapton.
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I never considered SRV. I only know what was on the radio, but that never got me interested to follow up. I think his music would be cool background or live music, but it's not in my wheelhouse to listen to.
I thought of CDG, but dismissed him pretty quickly. Warning and O:M are landmark albums, and I have 2 guitarists that died young after only making 2 and 3 albums, but the guitars never really stood out to me in QR. If CDG was the lone guitarist in QR, then maybe, but I'm not sure where CDG stops and Wilton starts. To me, what appealed to me about QR was Tate and Rockenfield.
I'll be surprised if I have more than 6 names on this list.
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Hendrix was great and overrated. Clapton is just overrated.
It's always hard for me to make statements like that because it's tough to go back in time and try to listen to them through a perspective of that moment. What I will say is that Jimi was pretty fresh for the time being but I don't think guitar playing would be largely different if he didn't exist. I do think he is overrated.
I've listened to Cream a few times and I just don't see anything mind blowing for claptop honestly. He is a great player, no doubt about it, but from that era I feel like guitar players had the chops and the swagger which I think Clapton lacked.
I go back and forth on that. He doesn't move me much - he's not on my list, no spoiler there - but I remember getting into him rather late, like ten years ago or so. And I remember getting his first three records in a package and listening to them sort of all at once. It seemed like every song was "oh, that's Uli Roth" and "oh, I heard Steve Vai play that" or " Huh, that's Last Rose of Summer". Even "Catch The Rainbow" by my favorite is reminiscent of "Little Wing", and he's got a LOT of other stuff - studio and live - that owes a LOT to Hendrix (not least their old cover of Hey Joe).
Hendrix was also one of the very few of the guitar gods that the Beatles ever acknowledged (the other was Clapton, though, so there's that).
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Kind of feels a bit strange that today's reveals are SRV and DeGarmo but there is lots of chat around Clapton and Hendrix? Who may or may not even appear in this countdown. If they do, I'll comment then.
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BTW, I realized I forgot to list the names of those whose lists were submitted and used.
coz
Glasser
Elite
Evermind
LithoJazzoSphere
Kwyjibo
BRGM
wolfking
nobloodyname
Vmadera00
Dublagent66
ReaperKK
The Realm
Dave_Manchester
twosuitsluke
Awaken
Animal
HOF
Stadler
Skeever
Mladen
pg1067
Metropolaris
Adami
devieira73
Podaar
hefdaddy42
TAC
lonestar
Dream Team
Fonzie
DragonAttack
DTwwbwMP
KevShmev
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I didn't get around to doing this list. (But I definitely would have had Petrucci at the top and angered Stadler...) :)
But I'll be reading the results.
Chris DeGarmo probably would have made my list.
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Hmmm...looking at who submitted lists, I think I'll even get less of my choices onto the final list. I'd say 10 should be guaranteed, but I've been wrong before. Many times actually. :lol
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I never considered SRV. I only know what was on the radio, but that never got me interested to follow up. I think his music would be cool background or live music, but it's not in my wheelhouse to listen to.
I thought of CDG, but dismissed him pretty quickly. Warning and O:M are landmark albums, and I have 2 guitarists that died young after only making 2 and 3 albums, but the guitars never really stood out to me in QR. If CDG was the lone guitarist in QR, then maybe, but I'm not sure where CDG stops and Wilton starts. To me, what appealed to me about QR was Tate and Rockenfield.
I'll be surprised if I have more than 6 names on this list.
Pretty much agree here. They just don't have the thrill in the solos that I get from other bands of their time. Even though I listed those few solos above and he's a wonderful guitarist, QR were never a band that I listened to for the guitar solos.
Also, to your other point, they are probably one of THE hardest guitar duos to work out who is playing what. I've never really bothered to sit down and work them all out and I've gotten better over time, but it's tricky, especially in those early albums.
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So out of curiosity, what would be a good starting place for Stevie Ray Vaughn?
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The lack of memorable QR guitar solos has been mentioned a couple of times. Although I listed DeGarmo, I'd be inclined to agree. QR solos really don't stand out. But I love what they do with their guitars outside of solos. Especially their clean guitar parts.
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What I will say is that Jimi was pretty fresh for the time being but I don't think guitar playing would be largely different if he didn't exist. I do think he is overrated.
This is highly hypothetical, because we don't really know how great Jimi's influence was. And it's not just that he's created a lot of clones, his influence goes deeper imo.
For example Satriani has said, he picked up the guitar because of Hendrix. Now imagine there was no Hendrix then Satriani would probably/maybe not have played the guitar. Satriani was a teacher to Steve Vai, Alex Skolnik and Kirk Hammett. Would they have made it with their resprective bands without Satriani? Would Metallica be the same without Hammett? Would they have kept Mustaine and then blown apart because of substance abuse and fighting? And with no Metallica, would metal sound like it sounds today? ;)
This is problably all complete bullshit, but we shouldn't underestimate the influence musicians that stood out in their time have on other musicians, even if we can't hear it.
That said, I didn't include Hendrix on my list. And yeah, rock music wouldn't probably sound totally different without Hendrix, but who knows?
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Hendrix showed an entire generation of guitar players what was possible with the guitar in a rock context and pioneered the use of certain effects. His playing is undoubtedly unique, nobody else sounds just like him, and his legacy is only amplified because he died at such a young age.
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I think it was the Live in San Fran DVD from Satch where he was giving a rundown of his rig. He said on that Hendrix was his biggest influence and pretty sure he said playing live he thinks about Hendrix. I remember that cause it kinda surprised me.
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So out of curiosity, what would be a good starting place for Stevie Ray Vaughn?
First studio album. Texas Flood.
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So out of curiosity, what would be a good starting place for Stevie Ray Vaughn?
First studio album. Texas Flood.
Yes, still his best imo.
And then look for his rendition of Little Wing on The Sky Is Crying.
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On the list of most influential guitarists on a broad scale in the rock era, I don't know who's number 3, but Hendrix and Eddie Van Halen have to be 1 and 2. I am shocked that some would question Hendrix's influence, as it's so obvious and widespread. And I say that as someone who has never actively listened to him (I enjoy some of his songs when they come on, but I never go out of my way to hear him).
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The next two...
23 Michael Schenker
Appeared on 6 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (TAC)
5 Top 10 Finishes
This is one I had to look up who he was and who he had played with. I recognized the name, as I had seen it over the years, but I don't listen to anything of his, so I think I had simply forgotten about him. Unranked.
22 Dave Mustaine
Appeared on 10 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 5 (twosuitsluke)
3 Top 10 Finishes
Outside of a handful of songs, I am not a Megadeth fan, so Mustaine wasn't on my radar when it came to thinking about what guitarists I'd rank.
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0/2.
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Two more I didn’t have :)
Can’t say Ihave consciously listened to Michael Schenker and I’m not a fan of Dave Mustaine, although some Megadeth stuff is pretty cool for sure.
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Also Schenker had 6 mentions of which 5 were in the top 10. If that’s the amount of points going to be needed to enter the main list, most of my list won’t show up at all :lol
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Two more that didn't make the list.
I simply don't know enough of Michael Schenker or Dave Mustaine to make my list.
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Tim opened my eyes to Schenker when he did his listening party. Amazing guitar player and I've become a fan. Tasteful, creative guitar player with a perfect sense and feel for the instrument.
I didn't rank him only cause of the recent exposure. Love Megadeth but Mustaine didn't rank.
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I will edit to say Mustaine is the first I've seen live though.. Seen Megadeath 5 times, always when I went to see other bands :lol
I did see Nemophila cover MSG though, if that counts for anything.... https://youtu.be/Vlr5LqxgsA8 (https://youtu.be/Vlr5LqxgsA8)
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0/4 so far.
Dave Mustaine almost made my list, but there was a last minute changed that put him off the top 25.
I know Schenker from his UFO stuff, but I don't listen to UFO all that much so he never even crossed my mind.
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Not a fan of Megadeth/Metallica at all, but I can appreciate Mustaine as being at the forefront of that type of music for several decades. Schenker is one who I haven’t heard much of. What I’ve heard of UFO didn’t hit me, don’t think I’ve heard any of Michael Schenker Group. He’s in that 70s heavy metal/hard rock sphere that I’m mostly ignorant of.
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I had Schenker and #3. He's written and performed some of the most spine-tingling, tasty, and memorable solos I've ever heard. Plus, he's done the one thing I think is the most important for standing out in a pack of guitarist, he has a unique tone.
Mustaine is a pretty good riff writer, but I never considered him for this list.
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I don't think either would have made it for me. Schenker is a funny one, because I absolutely put Strangers in the Night on my Mount Rushmore of live albums in no small part due to his playing, but I've also never felt compelled to explore any more of his work. Mustaine is another interesting case. He was a big contributor in terms of riffs and to some degree solos from the early Metallica records that I love, but I never really gave Megadeth much time because of his vocals.
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Neither of these made my list. Not even my full list, before narrowing down to 25.
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If I had made a list Degarmo , Schenker and SRV would've been borderline and maybe made the list. Mustaine is a great metal rhythm player but then again.............some of the stuff I have seen from him at times (San Diego Symphony ) has been painful to listen to , so he wouldn't have been in contention.
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I had Mustaine at #22, so I nailed it. :metal
I'm not too familiar with Michael Schenker, although I like that debut by Scorpions.
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I know both!
0/4 for me though.
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I'm starting to get the impression only one person from my list will make it here :lol, and if he doesn't make that list then he should shut this forum down.
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I had Mustaine at #22, so I nailed it. :metal
I'm not too familiar with Michael Schenker, although I like that debut by Scorpions.
The Sails of Charon
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I know Schenker for sure from early Scorpions, UFO and MSG but I never really dived into his discography so I didn't consider him for my list.
Mustaine was on the broader list, but went out pretty fast when I narrowed it down. Still a great metal rhythm player and his solos are much better than Kirk's at this point. ;)
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Also Schenker had 6 mentions of which 5 were in the top 10. If that’s the amount of points going to be needed to enter the main list, most of my list won’t show up at all :lol
I can see 5 to 6 from my list probably making it, but the rest? No Chance. And I didn't even pick some jazz players. :D
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1/4.
As much as I would love to say "he is overated/underated/good/bad/ugly...." or something to that effect to get the discussion rolling, I don't know enough of Mustaine's (and any of Schenker's) work to have an opinion.
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I'm starting to get the impression only one person from my list will make it here :lol, and if he doesn't make that list then he should shut this forum down.
Petrucci confirmed :lol
I'm 1/4 so far with Mustaine. I'm surprised to see I had him rated the highest (or maybe not with some of these comments). Rust in Peace is a top 5 all time metal album for me and I love the majority of Megadeth's catalogue. Say what you like about Mustaine as a vocalist, egomaniac and overall whinger, but his riffs and solos mean a lot to me.
There's not many times I wouldn't air guitar like a man possessed upon hearing Rust in Peace in it's entirety. That's why he's at number 5 for me!
Anyway, I'm off to spin Rust in Peace :metal
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Stevie Ray Vaughan
Chris DeGarmo
Michael Schenker
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I'm starting to get the impression only one person from my list will make it here :lol , and if he doesn't make that list then he should shut this forum down.
Petrucci confirmed :lol
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I had Mustaine at #22, so I nailed it. :metal
I'm not too familiar with Michael Schenker, although I like that debut by Scorpions.
The Sails of Charon
That's Uli Jon Roth (and Rudolph Schenker)
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Say what you like about Mustaine as a vocalist, egomaniac and overall whinger, but his riffs and solos mean a lot to me.
Which goes to show how many different kinds of people we have here, because nothing he's ever done has meant shit to me.
Going to be an interesting list. Probably no one will be happy with the final tally lol
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I had Mustaine at #22, so I nailed it. :metal
I'm not too familiar with Michael Schenker, although I like that debut by Scorpions.
The Sails of Charon
That's Uli Jon Roth (and Rudolph Schenker)
With Scorpions, I believe Michael only plays on the debut - Lonesome Crow - and five (out of eight) songs from Lovedrive, the first record with Matthias Jabs.
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Say what you like about Mustaine as a vocalist, egomaniac and overall whinger, but his riffs and solos mean a lot to me.
Which goes to show how many different kinds of people we have here, because nothing he's ever done has meant shit to me.
Going to be an interesting list. Probably no one will be happy with the final tally lol
Yea totally. I'm not gonna have a feeling positive or negative towards the overall list. It will just be interesting to see who DTF collectively rates. I'm hoping to pick up some new music along the way and sample some guitarists I'm not too familiar with.
For my personal journey, thrash metal was my gateway into all things metal and was hugely influential to me (and my list).
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LOVE Michael Schenker; the early MSG records were formative for me. I can do without Mustaine for a list like this, though I generally like him.
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Say what you like about Mustaine as a vocalist, egomaniac and overall whinger, but his riffs and solos mean a lot to me.
Which goes to show how many different kinds of people we have here, because nothing he's ever done has meant shit to me.
Going to be an interesting list. Probably no one will be happy with the final tally lol
Yea totally. I'm not gonna have a feeling positive or negative towards the overall list. It will just be interesting to see who DTF collectively rates. I'm hoping to pick up some new music along the way and sample some guitarists I'm not too familiar with.
For my personal journey, thrash metal was my gateway into all things metal and was hugely influential to me (and my list).
I get it. It was classic rock and country for me. Metallica was my first real metal band, in the late 80s.
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I had Mustaine at #22, so I nailed it. :metal
I'm not too familiar with Michael Schenker, although I like that debut by Scorpions.
The Sails of Charon
That's Uli Jon Roth (and Rudolph Schenker)
That's right. My bad!
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Say what you like about Mustaine as a vocalist, egomaniac and overall whinger, but his riffs and solos mean a lot to me.
Which goes to show how many different kinds of people we have here, because nothing he's ever done has meant shit to me.
Going to be an interesting list. Probably no one will be happy with the final tally lol
Yea totally. I'm not gonna have a feeling positive or negative towards the overall list. It will just be interesting to see who DTF collectively rates. I'm hoping to pick up some new music along the way and sample some guitarists I'm not too familiar with.
This.
For my personal guitar journey, no act has been more influential than the holy trinity of DiMeola, DeLucia and McLauglin and their Friday Night in San Francisco. But I doubt any of them will rank here. Still interested to see what the collective intersection of our individial musical worlds will be.
For the record, I am guessing that 10 out of my Top 25 will make the collective Top 25.
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For my personal guitar journey, no act has been more influential than the holy trinity of DiMeola, DeLucia and McLauglin and their Friday Night in San Francisco. But I doubt any of them will rank here.
I had McLaughlin in my Top 10, and DiMeola landed just outside of my Top 25.
I have a lot of respect for DeLucia as well, just not quite as familiar with his catalogue.
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I'm liking a lot the list so far, a bit pedestrian, as my musical taste! ;D
Michael Schenker (#7) was very important to me in my formative years of metal/hard rock listener and I still think he's an incredible musician, having always from tasteful to truly inspiring riffs and soloing. For those who doesn't know him, I would recommend to listen to (the obvious) UFO's Strangers in the Night and The Michael Schenker Story Live.
Dave Mustaine (#21) is an amazing guitar player as a composer - Megadeth has an impressive body of work - and a very good guitar soloist. So, well deserved position!
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Mustaine's the only one on my list so far and for precisely the reason devieira73 mentioned above.
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Marty Friedman made my list. Mustaine didn't.
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Mustaine is 32 on my list. He’s very good at what he does, and could easily have broken into my 25 if I was on a ‘Deth trip.
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23 Michael Schenker
Appeared on 6 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (TAC)
5 Top 10 Finishes
This is one I had to look up who he was and who he had played with. I recognized the name, as I had seen it over the years, but I don't listen to anything of his, so I think I had simply forgotten about him. Unranked.
22 Dave Mustaine
Appeared on 10 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 5 (twosuitsluke)
3 Top 10 Finishes
Outside of a handful of songs, I am not a Megadeth fan, so Mustaine wasn't on my radar when it came to thinking about what guitarists I'd rank.
Kev, is that comment about Schenker serious, or were you just trolling Tim?
Schenker made #25 on my list on the strength of his work with UFO and on the Scorps' Lovedrive. I also have a couple MSG albums that have several very good songs. He might have made it higher if I'd been more familiar with his entire body of work.
Mustaine wasn't even considered. Everything I've ever heard by Megadeath is shrill, and I can't get past Mustaine's vocals.
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Kev, is that comment about Schenker serious, or were you just trolling Tim?
100% serious. I looked up his discography and the only album he has played on that I have in my iTunes is Lovedrive by Scorpions, and I had no idea until today that he played on that record (I am a lukewarm Scorpions fan, at best).
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For my personal guitar journey, no act has been more influential than the holy trinity of DiMeola, DeLucia and McLauglin and their Friday Night in San Francisco. But I doubt any of them will rank here.
I had McLaughlin in my Top 10, and DiMeola landed just outside of my Top 25.
I have a lot of respect for DeLucia as well, just not quite as familiar with his catalogue.
I was made aware of Al DiMeola from my college roommate. 'Splendido Hotel' is a nice calming Sunday morning listen once a year or so.
I just listened to the San Fran show a month or so ago, as I had thought of submitting one of the songs in TAC's instrumental roulette round. Good stuff indeed :tup
Just chiming in as to 'bests' and 'favorites' and so forth. I'll be surprised if one of my listed guitarists isn't on this list, but nothing on these Kev lists that do or don't make the lists will upset me. I mean, he could do a Top 50 'musical artist' list. I'd list Benny Goodman in the Top Twenty, just because of what he meant to my Mom, what he meant when we listened to him together, and what it means to me since her passing. If I would be the only one to list him, so be it. Wouldn't diminish my enjoyment.
And...so jealous of the musicians (especially guitarists) chiming in. You all have gifts, and a different appreciation for the artists listed, that I'll never have.
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So I listened to a lot of bands in my formative years as a young music fan, but no one had more of an effect on me than Michael Schenker. I would be a hard rock fan, but Michael Schenker really gave me a direction. Hearing the Michael Schenker Group's On And On on the radio in 1981 changed my musical life.
It's a simple song, but has sweeping melodies and an outro to die for.
Micahel recorded the first Scorpions album, Lonesome Crow, at the age of 16. Not even able to speak English, he would soon join UFO after a tour with them. The classic UFO/Schenker Era runs for 5 albums released between 1974-1978, including the landmark Strangers In The Night live album. Michael recorded Phenomenon at the age of 18, and was just 22 when he left UFO in 1978.
He briefly joined his brother's band, Scorpions, and played on much of their Lovedrive album. He would then form the Michael Schenker Group and recorded 4 classic albums before forming the McCauley Schenker Group in the late 80's.
He would rejoin UFO in the early to mid 90's for a 3 album reunion. But Michael was always enigmatic and unpredictable. He battles alcohol and substance abuse for years. He finally sobered up in the late 00's and has released a number of albums since.
Much like the Clapton conversation, Michael is more interested in writing songs rather than showing off. Unfortunately the writing is dependent on whatever partner he has at the time, leading to an erractic and inconsistent catalog. But on his worst album, as Podaar says, it's his tone that sets him apart. He was never interested in shredding and such, though he can play with anyone.
If anyone gives a shit, I have put together a playlist of some of what I consider his finest moments. It begins with the studio version of Rock Bottom, and ends with the Strangers version.
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5iYuRWSmJOWQc4kLRfpPC4?si=13977d4916cf43e2
I included Dreaming Of Summer, which Stadler sends in every roulette. It has one of the best tonal solos I've ever heard with zero shred. UFO may not be everyone's cup of tea, especially on a prog/metal board. It's the 70's! But man, the guitar playing is outstanding.
March 9, 2018
Berklee College Of Music
Boston
(https://i.imgur.com/2t1Wm2R.jpg)
March 11, 1992
Axis
Boston
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23 Michael Schenker
Appeared on 6 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (TAC)
5 Top 10 Finishes
22 Dave Mustaine
Appeared on 10 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 5 (twosuitsluke)
3 Top 10 Finishes
Another 2 great picks today.
Michael Schenker - like SRV yesterday, Schenker just missed out on my list. This is mainly because as great as he is, he is not really an influence of mine so just couldn't get him in the top 25.
Dave Mustaine - my rank 11. I love Megadeth and I just love Mustaine's playing. He is a fantastic riff composer but also a great soloist and has a great charismatic style live. Having just seen Megadeth play live recently probably helped Dave get to 11 on my list as he was very front of mind when putting this together and I can say as a guitar player he still delivers. (As a vocalist he definitely does not but that isn't relevant here...)
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Dave Mustaine - my rank 11. I love Megadeth and I just love Mustaine's playing. He is a fantastic riff composer but also a great soloist and has a great charismatic style live. Having just seen Megadeth play live recently probably helped Dave get to 11 on my list as he was very front of mind when putting this together and I can say as a guitar player he still delivers. (As a vocalist he definitely does not but that isn't relevant here...)
You know what, my favorite part of Mustaine as an artist is his vocals. I know, I know, I'm nuts...but, his sneering, menacing, barely sane delivery is just so...thrash. At the end of Holy Wars when he's repeating "Killing, killing, killing.." over the frenetic guitars. Love it.
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Every time I heard a solo from Marty Friedman, it reminded me he was a better guitarist than Mustaine.
As for Michael Schenker, I listened to the old Scorpions albums but never really delved into his solo work. I dud like McAuley Schenker Group.
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Dave Mustaine - my rank 11. I love Megadeth and I just love Mustaine's playing. He is a fantastic riff composer but also a great soloist and has a great charismatic style live. Having just seen Megadeth play live recently probably helped Dave get to 11 on my list as he was very front of mind when putting this together and I can say as a guitar player he still delivers. (As a vocalist he definitely does not but that isn't relevant here...)
You know what, my favorite part of Mustaine as an artist is his vocals. I know, I know, I'm nuts...but, his sneering, menacing, barely sane delivery is just so...thrash. At the end of Holy Wars when he's repeating "Killing, killing, killing.." over the frenetic guitars. Love it.
Yeah, I agree with this. I was talking about his live vocals now. His voice is shot and he actually is unable to 'sing' or even snarl certain parts of songs. It was an effort watching him deliver his vocal performance but his guitar playing and sound was flawless.
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As for Michael Schenker, I listened to the old Scorpions albums but never really delved into his solo work. I dud like McAuley Schenker Group.
Well, he was only on the first one, and parts of 1979's Lovedrive.
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Tim if I remember correctly, he played on the 1st album. 72 maybe?
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Yes, I just said that! :P :lol
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Yes, I just said that! :P :lol
I read right through that. DOH! :lol
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Yes, I just said that! :P :lol
I read right through that. DOH! :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgD12JZuKNk
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As for Michael Schenker, I listened to the old Scorpions albums but never really delved into his solo work. I dud like McAuley Schenker Group.
Grab yourself Strangers in the Night and enjoy. Schenker isn't my favorite guitarist, and UFO isn't my favorite band, but SITN is my favorite live album by any band. I know there are some issues with just how live it is, but the interplay between Schenker's lead playing and Paul Raymond's rhythm/keyboard playing - to say nothing of Phil Mogg's sublime vocals - is such a great listen.
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Now I'm watching YouTube on my phone and my TV. :lol
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I'm a little disappointed I didn't get a list in for this countdown. Life has been overly busy for the last couple months.
At any rate, of the first 4 featured guitarists, only Stevie Ray Vaughan would have made my list.
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As for Michael Schenker, I listened to the old Scorpions albums but never really delved into his solo work. I dud like McAuley Schenker Group.
Grab yourself Strangers in the Night and enjoy. Schenker isn't my favorite guitarist, and UFO isn't my favorite band, but SITN is my favorite live album by any band. I know there are some issues with just how live it is, but the interplay between Schenker's lead playing and Paul Raymond's rhythm/keyboard playing - to say nothing of Phil Mogg's sublime vocals - is such a great listen.
I mean, two tracks were recorded and not even played on that tour. Ron Nevison had the band record them using the same equipment as he used for the live recordings, so it is them playing live, but just not with an audience.
The Stangers Deluxe Version is amazing, with all SIX shows recorded for the live album included in their entirety. The are obvious overdubs, like the little lead guitar noodle at the beginning of I'm A Loser.
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As for Michael Schenker, I listened to the old Scorpions albums but never really delved into his solo work. I dud like McAuley Schenker Group.
Grab yourself Strangers in the Night and enjoy. Schenker isn't my favorite guitarist, and UFO isn't my favorite band, but SITN is my favorite live album by any band. I know there are some issues with just how live it is, but the interplay between Schenker's lead playing and Paul Raymond's rhythm/keyboard playing - to say nothing of Phil Mogg's sublime vocals - is such a great listen.
SITN definitely deserves to be in any best live album discussion...the version of Rock Bottom is a fucking relentless guitar tour de force.
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My running list reveal:
21. Dave Mustaine
5. SRV
Not considered: DeGarmo, M.Schenker
My guitar brand tracker:
Jackson 4 pts
Gibson 3 pts
ESP 2 pts
Fender 1 pt
Went with Gibson for Schenker as that's what he played through the peak of his career. Mustaine was one I was dreading having to decide on. He's gone through so many changes! Didn't know until today that he was a BC Rich player in the early days. Went with Jackson, again since that's what he played through the heyday.
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Yes, the Strangers in the Night Deluxe boxset is indeed wicked! :metal
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Yes, the Strangers in the Night Deluxe boxset is indeed wicked! :metal
(https://i.imgur.com/5R79upX.jpg)
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I had a couple of old UFO albums that I picked up years ago from the name of Schenker. Being the metal head I am, they just weren't my thing back in the day and I never really paid attention to the guitar work. Tim's thread a little while back made me go through the albums and I was blown away. I've purchased most of the albums along with a bit of his solo stuff too and some DVD's. Really mature band for their time with all eras worthwhile.
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TAC's soul was laid out for all to see in that discography :tup
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Tim, I will check out some of your Schenker recs. :tup :tup
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https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5iYuRWSmJOWQc4kLRfpPC4?si=13977d4916cf43e2
No Try Me.....hmmm...
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So I listened to a lot of bands in my formative years as a young music fan, but no one had more of an effect on me than Michael Schenker. I would be a hard rock fan, but Michael Schenker really gave me a direction. Hearing the Michael Schenker Group's On And On on the radio in 1981 changed my musical life.
It's a simple song, but has sweeping melodies and an outro to die for.
Micahel recorded the first Scorpions album, Lonesome Crow, at the age of 16. Not even able to speak English, he would soon join UFO after a tour with them. The classic UFO/Schenker Era runs for 5 albums released between 1974-1978, including the landmark Strangers In The Night live album. Michael recorded Phenomenon at the age of 18, and was just 22 when he left UFO in 1978.
He briefly joined his brother's band, Scorpions, and played on much of their Lovedrive album. He would then form the Michael Schenker Group and recorded 4 classic albums before forming the McCauley Schenker Group in the late 80's.
He would rejoin UFO in the early to mid 90's for a 3 album reunion. But Michael was always enigmatic and unpredictable. He battles alcohol and substance abuse for years. He finally sobered up in the late 00's and has released a number of albums since.
Much like the Clapton conversation, Michael is more interested in writing songs rather than showing off. Unfortunately the writing is dependent on whatever partner he has at the time, leading to an erractic and inconsistent catalog. But on his worst album, as Podaar says, it's his tone that sets him apart. He was never interested in shredding and such, though he can play with anyone.
If anyone gives a shit, I have put together a playlist of some of what I consider his finest moments. It begins with the studio version of Rock Bottom, and ends with the Strangers version.
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5iYuRWSmJOWQc4kLRfpPC4?si=13977d4916cf43e2
I included Dreaming Of Summer, which Stadler sends in every roulette. It has one of the best tonal solos I've ever heard with zero shred. UFO may not be everyone's cup of tea, especially on a prog/metal board. It's the 70's! But man, the guitar playing is outstanding.
March 9, 2018
Berklee College Of Music
Boston
(https://i.imgur.com/2t1Wm2R.jpg)
March 11, 1992
Axis
Boston
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Great post Tim, I'll give that playlist a listen on the drive home from Orlando Thursday :)
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https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5iYuRWSmJOWQc4kLRfpPC4?si=13977d4916cf43e2
No Try Me.....hmmm...
Added for you! :)
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https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5iYuRWSmJOWQc4kLRfpPC4?si=13977d4916cf43e2
No Try Me.....hmmm...
Added for you! :)
I think it's one of his finest moments. The tenderness, the build up, the harmonies and then the explosion. The whole quiet section is him pondering, wishing, hoping. As the middle starts to build, a little desperation but still some hope, then bursting out into tears for that final section, wonderful stuff.
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https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5iYuRWSmJOWQc4kLRfpPC4?si=13977d4916cf43e2
No Try Me.....hmmm...
Added for you! :)
I think it's one of his finest moments. The tenderness, the build up, the harmonies and then the explosion. The whole quiet section is him pondering, wishing, hoping. As the middle starts to build, a little desperation but still some hope, then bursting out into tears for that final section, wonderful stuff.
Yes you nailed it!
I love the Time On My Hands solo. 18 y/o. Amazing. The High Flyer solo is great too. So strong.
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Yes! Try Me is sublime for all the reasons Wolfy mentions.
Also, if any of you listen to TAC's list--when you get to One More for the Rodeo, pay close attention to the way Schenker's guitar interacts with the vocal melodies. He alternates between harmonizing, completing the vocal line, and emphasising the lyrics. Instead of overshadowing, or waiting to be featured, he uses his leads to complement the rest of the instrumentation and vocals. I found it very inspiring back in the day, and it's stuck with me over the years. Thus, the reason I listed Schenker as my #3.
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Yes! Try Me is sublime for all the reasons Wolfy mentions.
Also, if any of you listen to TAC's list--when you get to One More for the Rodeo, pay close attention to the way Schenker's guitar interacts with the vocal melodies. He alternates between harmonizing, completing the vocal line, and emphasising the lyrics. Instead of overshadowing, or waiting to be featured, he uses his leads to complement the rest of the instrumentation and vocals. I found it very inspiring back in the day, and it's stuck with me over the years. Thus, the reason I listed Schenker as my #3.
There's times where I feel he even plays lines in relation to the lyrics too. Great call and response between him and Phil. Top UFO song.
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Yes! Try Me is sublime for all the reasons Wolfy mentions.
Also, if any of you listen to TAC's list--when you get to One More for the Rodeo, pay close attention to the way Schenker's guitar interacts with the vocal melodies. He alternates between harmonizing, completing the vocal line, and emphasising the lyrics. Instead of overshadowing, or waiting to be featured, he uses his leads to complement the rest of the instrumentation and vocals. I found it very inspiring back in the day, and it's stuck with me over the years. Thus, the reason I listed Schenker as my #3.
There's times where I feel he even plays lines in relation to the lyrics too. Great call and response between him and Phil. Top UFO song.
The best line is "I wish I was invisible" and the Schenker makes that disappearing sound with his guitar.
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https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5iYuRWSmJOWQc4kLRfpPC4?si=13977d4916cf43e2
No Try Me.....hmmm...
Added for you! :)
I think it's one of his finest moments. The tenderness, the build up, the harmonies and then the explosion. The whole quiet section is him pondering, wishing, hoping. As the middle starts to build, a little desperation but still some hope, then bursting out into tears for that final section, wonderful stuff.
Wow, that solo really is beautiful...
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https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5iYuRWSmJOWQc4kLRfpPC4?si=13977d4916cf43e2
No Try Me.....hmmm...
Added for you! :)
I think it's one of his finest moments. The tenderness, the build up, the harmonies and then the explosion. The whole quiet section is him pondering, wishing, hoping. As the middle starts to build, a little desperation but still some hope, then bursting out into tears for that final section, wonderful stuff.
Wow, that solo really is beautiful...
The last note…
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Yes! Try Me is sublime for all the reasons Wolfy mentions.
Also, if any of you listen to TAC's list--when you get to One More for the Rodeo, pay close attention to the way Schenker's guitar interacts with the vocal melodies. He alternates between harmonizing, completing the vocal line, and emphasising the lyrics. Instead of overshadowing, or waiting to be featured, he uses his leads to complement the rest of the instrumentation and vocals. I found it very inspiring back in the day, and it's stuck with me over the years. Thus, the reason I listed Schenker as my #3.
There's times where I feel he even plays lines in relation to the lyrics too. Great call and response between him and Phil. Top UFO song.
The best line is "I wish I was invisible" and the Schenker makes that disappearing sound with his guitar.
That's the one that always stood out to me.
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https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5iYuRWSmJOWQc4kLRfpPC4?si=13977d4916cf43e2
No Try Me.....hmmm...
Added for you! :)
I think it's one of his finest moments. The tenderness, the build up, the harmonies and then the explosion. The whole quiet section is him pondering, wishing, hoping. As the middle starts to build, a little desperation but still some hope, then bursting out into tears for that final section, wonderful stuff.
Wow, that solo really is beautiful...
Certainly something else mate.
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https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5iYuRWSmJOWQc4kLRfpPC4?si=13977d4916cf43e2
No Try Me.....hmmm...
Added for you! :)
I think it's one of his finest moments. The tenderness, the build up, the harmonies and then the explosion. The whole quiet section is him pondering, wishing, hoping. As the middle starts to build, a little desperation but still some hope, then bursting out into tears for that final section, wonderful stuff.
Wow, that solo really is beautiful...
The last note…
...is fucking genius. I'd have to pick up the guitar but it doesn't resolve. Another aspect of leaving the protagonist forever hoping and just waiting for a chance. It's in Cminor but that last note I'm pretty sure is a b flat so the 7th degree of the scale. Incredible and so creative.
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Had these 2 right next to each other, Schenker 9 and Mustaine 10.
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SRV - huge fan in my teens, but I only listen to him very occasionally since then. He'll still be on my honorable mentions list though.
DeGarmo - I'm a very casual Queensryche fan, and don't know nearly enough to distinguish who plays what. Honestly that's the case even for some bands I'm a much bigger fan of.
Schenker - I'm also a very casual UFO fan, and generally prefer the Scorpions with Jabs or Uli, but my appreciate for Schenker has been growing, including from a couple tunes Stadler sent in my roulette, which BTW...
I included Dreaming Of Summer, which Stadler sends in every roulette.
Except not in mine this time! I'll have to give it and the tunes on your playlist a listen. "Rock Bottom" is one of my favorite songs though, and it's one of the coolest riffs to play.
Mustaine - great riff writer and talent curator, annoying vocalist but you get used to him, good guitarist, and yet always vastly overshadowed by his lead players, two of which are on my own list (Friedman and Poland).
For my personal guitar journey, no act has been more influential than the holy trinity of DiMeola, DeLucia and McLauglin and their Friday Night in San Francisco. But I doubt any of them will rank here.
I had McLaughlin in my Top 10, and DiMeola landed just outside of my Top 25.
I have a lot of respect for DeLucia as well, just not quite as familiar with his catalogue.
McLaughlin and DiMeola are both on my list, de Lucia is in my honorable mentions. That's a great collaborative show. And more on Paco...
I just listened to the San Fran show a month or so ago, as I had thought of submitting one of the songs in TAC's instrumental roulette round.
Funny you mention that, in the instrumental round I sent Paco's "Entre Dos Aguas" as part of my WildCard. Tim didn't pick it, oh well. I find more explorative musicians and music fans are more likely to have checked out the trio material, and often some of either Al's or John's other recordings, but are least likely to have given Paco's solo work a shot, so I figured it was worth throwing in the mix.
The first two results are absolutely baffling to me. Almost absurd, actually.
These comments always amuse me. Just because SRV tends to rank high on mainstream guitar heroes lists doesn't mean he's going to fare as well on a forum for a prog metal band. Although, I will say, I picked up DT's SFAM, SRV's Greatest Hits, and Steve Vai's The Ultra Zone on CD the same day much earlier on, and it was a memorable and formative day, having just listened to some MP3s (and the G3 show) until that point.
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I have Mustaine at 13 but I will post my entire list afterwards.
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The riff of Rock Bottom is so dirty, great fun to play. Such a sweet solo too.
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https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5iYuRWSmJOWQc4kLRfpPC4?si=13977d4916cf43e2
No Try Me.....hmmm...
Added for you! :)
Guess I'll be giving this playlist a spin :corn
Edit: Well that was certainly two hours of my life :neverusethis:
Honestly though, this was all OK. This sort of exercise in checking out music fascinates me though. Listening to this, at this stage in my musical journey, leaves little impact. Like it's all entertaining enough, and can see why y'all love it.
If I'd grown up with these guys, or heard them as one of my first experiences with heavier music, they could've been hugely influential, but hearing it at 39, with thousands of bands under my belt, is a very different experience.
I wish I'd taken part in TAC's UFO thread but I was really busy back then and not posting as much (I think). I'll check out some further albums though :metal
Also, I know Dreaming of Summer. Did someone send it to me in a roulette?
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Next two...
21 Jim Matheos
Appeared on 6 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (pg1067)
4 Top 10 Finishes
I like OSI and enjoy a little Fates Warning, but I don't actively listen to either, so it was hard for me to consider Matheos given all that. 4 top 10 finishes guaranteed a top 25 finish here.
20 Glenn Tipton
Appeared on 9 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (wolfking)
4 Top 10 Finishes
I had Tipton 12th, so this is my first to make the countdown! Longtime Priest fan, and I often am not sure where Tipton ends and Downing begins, but I remember reading that Tipton plays a lot of what I consider Priest's most notable solos, so I gave him the mention in my list instead of listing both. Really though, the two are interchangeable for me.
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1/6
Glen #21 for me. Just a tremendous player. Not much else to say. Jim Matheos did not rank for me.
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0/6 for me.
I like Jim's work. especially on that acoustic album he did but he was never a contender.
I've never listened to Priest (that's where he is from right?) just never seemed my thing.
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I had Tipton at 17. Didn't have Matheos at all.
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Lol, still 0/6
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Lol, still 0/6
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Next two...
21 Jim Matheos
Appeared on 6 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (pg1067)
4 Top 10 Finishes
I like OSI and enjoy a little Fates Warning, but I don't actively listen to either, so it was hard for me to consider Matheos given all that. 4 top 10 finishes guaranteed a top 25 finish here.
20 Glenn Tipton
Appeared on 9 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (wolfking)
4 Top 10 Finishes
I had Tipton 12th, so this is my first to make the countdown! Longtime Priest fan, and I often am not sure where Tipton ends and Downing begins, but I remember reading that Tipton plays a lot of what I consider Priest's most notable solos, so I gave him the mention in my list instead of listing both. Really though, the two are interchangeable for me.
I had Jim Matheos at 3, I love pretty much everything he's involved in (he's an almost perfect combination of progressive metal playing and songwriting, IMO). The last two Fate's albums prove he has lost nothing and gotten better over time.
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Matheos was considered for one of my last few spots, even though I don’t listen to a ton of his music. The stuff I like (OSI, Parralels, Inside Out) is really good. I also remember his solo acoustic albums being pretty cool, so I admire the range of stuff he plays. Not just a metal guy for sure. That said, he didn’t quite make the cut!
Not into Priest at all, didn’t even know the names of their guitarists.
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Still just 1/6 for me :corn
Never even considered these two, as I'm not much of a fan of either band.
I wonder who will be the one of us who submitted a list with the fewest number of guitarists featured?
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I wonder who will be the one of us who submitted a list with the fewest number of guitarists featured?
0/6 so far... Based on who's been listed so far and the stats involved, I'm pretty sure my #1, an absolute rock legend, won't make the final list.
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I had Glenn Tipton at #9. He's amazing. :metal
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Neither one ranked for me.
Both are certainly good guitar players but I never even considered them.
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Neither one ranked for me.
Both are certainly good guitar players but I never even considered them.
Same, not a huge fan of either band tbh.
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Based on who's been listed so far and the stats involved, I'm pretty sure my #1, an absolute rock legend, won't make the final list.
Really? But he's an absolute rock legend!
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Based on who's been listed so far and the stats involved, I'm pretty sure my #1, an absolute rock legend, won't make the final list.
Really? But he's an absolute rock legend!
We'll see... Nobody would argue his legend status. Nobody.
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Based on who's been listed so far and the stats involved, I'm pretty sure my #1, an absolute rock legend, won't make the final list.
Really? But he's an absolute rock legend!
We'll see... Nobody would argue his legend status. Nobody.
If there's one thing I've learnt about DTF, it's that nothing is beyond debate.
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Based on who's been listed so far and the stats involved, I'm pretty sure my #1, an absolute rock legend, won't make the final list.
Really? But he's an absolute rock legend!
We'll see... Nobody would argue his legend status. Nobody.
If there's one thing I've learnt about DTF, it's that nothing is beyond debate.
I disagree with that
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Next two...
21 Jim Matheos
Appeared on 6 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (pg1067)
4 Top 10 Finishes
I like OSI and enjoy a little Fates Warning, but I don't actively listen to either, so it was hard for me to consider Matheos given all that. 4 top 10 finishes guaranteed a top 25 finish here.
20 Glenn Tipton
Appeared on 9 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (wolfking)
4 Top 10 Finishes
I had Tipton 12th, so this is my first to make the countdown! Longtime Priest fan, and I often am not sure where Tipton ends and Downing begins, but I remember reading that Tipton plays a lot of what I consider Priest's most notable solos, so I gave him the mention in my list instead of listing both. Really though, the two are interchangeable for me.
Two more that weren't even considered by me. Of course, I'm certain that much of my list wouldn't have been considered by most others here, as well.
It seems that there is not only a lot of differences in the music we listen to, or hold most closely, but also in the qualifications we use to compile such a list. Which is a good thing; I'm not criticizing. It's just really interesting to see unfold.
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0/2 again today.
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Based on who's been listed so far and the stats involved, I'm pretty sure my #1, an absolute rock legend, won't make the final list.
Really? But he's an absolute rock legend!
We'll see... Nobody would argue his legend status. Nobody.
If there's one thing I've learnt about DTF, it's that nothing is beyond debate.
Based on who's been listed so far and the stats involved, I'm pretty sure my #1, an absolute rock legend, won't make the final list.
Really? But he's an absolute rock legend!
We'll see... Nobody would argue his legend status. Nobody.
If there's one thing I've learnt about DTF, it's that nothing is beyond debate.
True, but I'd put the over/under at 95%
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Although Jim Matheos (#11) always had some help from great guitar players for the solos, he's very capable of doing them too and all the amazing compositions and rhythm guitars are basically always him. And he's still at top form as Fates Warning– Theories of Flight e Archer/Matheos - Winter Etheral can prove that.
Judas Priest are the fathers of what we can really call heavy metal, so I needed to "blame" and thanks someone in the band for that and it seems to me that Glenn Tipton (#25) is the more skilled from the duo.
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*snip*
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Damn, totally forgot about Tom Sholz.
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1/6!
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I gave a lot of points for songwriting when making my list, not just for guitar prowess and how influential the person's playing was. Although Jim can certainly play too. I enjoy his earlier FW output, and recently Theories of Flight and Winter Ethereal both blew me away.
Glenn I know, and I like Judas Priest... not sure why I didn't include him. He would've been somewhere like 23rd-25th or perhaps not.
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Interesting to see, that some of you add songwriting skills to their measurement as what qualifies as favorite guitar players. Not saying you are wrong, because you aren't, but that may explain some choices like DeGarmo and Matheos. Not that they are bad guitar players, but I'm thinking their songwriting sets them more apart, than their guitar skills.
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I see the technical skills as a vocabulary to a musician to do their work. Sure, if a musician increases its vocablulary, greater the chances and more capable to do something really creative and musical. But, in the end of the day, what matters is how good is their musicality in making songs or guitar parts or soloing etc... it's more like a combo of things and I think it's totally up to the listener's personal taste, there's no way to "mesure" it.
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Interesting to see, that some of you add songwriting skills to their measurement as what qualifies as favorite guitar players. Not saying you are wrong, because you aren't, but that may explain some choices like DeGarmo and Matheos. Not that they are bad guitar players, but I'm thinking their songwriting sets them more apart, than their guitar skills.
Songwriting was absolutely a major factor in determining my favorites. Especially now that we live in an environment where there is so much talent - chops are a dime a dozen, making them fit into the context of a song that I can appreciate - that's the next level. And one in particular on my list is not known for chops at all, he was included solely based on songwriting and overall catalog (though one album specifically that I connect so much with). I'm sure that one will go over well here. :rollin
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Interesting to see, that some of you add songwriting skills to their measurement as what qualifies as favorite guitar players. Not saying you are wrong, because you aren't, but that may explain some choices like DeGarmo and Matheos. Not that they are bad guitar players, but I'm thinking their songwriting sets them more apart, than their guitar skills.
For me it's both songwriting and guitar skills.
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Still just 1/6 for me :corn
Never even considered these two, as I'm not much of a fan of either band.
I wonder who will be the one of us who submitted a list with the fewest number of guitarists featured?
Guaranteed me.
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Based on who's been listed so far and the stats involved, I'm pretty sure my #1, an absolute rock legend, won't make the final list.
Really? But he's an absolute rock legend!
We'll see... Nobody would argue his legend status. Nobody.
If there's one thing I've learnt about DTF, it's that nothing is beyond debate.
Such is life...No matter how good you are, there is always an army of people prepared to call you overated. I have no idea who Lonestar's n.1 is but it actually makes it kind of easier to question his legendary status... :D
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0/2 today, 1/6 overall. So far, it seems metal is kicking prog's ass in this countdown. Which feels just right. Metal is supposed to kick ass, isn't it?
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Based on who's been listed so far and the stats involved, I'm pretty sure my #1, an absolute rock legend, won't make the final list.
Really? But he's an absolute rock legend!
We'll see... Nobody would argue his legend status. Nobody.
If there's one thing I've learnt about DTF, it's that nothing is beyond debate.
Such is life...No matter how good you are, there is always an army of people prepared to call you overated. I have no idea who Lonestar's n.1 is but it actually makes it kind of easier to question his legendary status... :D
Yea, can't wait for Lonestar to post his #1 so I can say "who?"
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The Stangers Deluxe Version is amazing, with all SIX shows recorded for the live album included in their entirety. The are obvious overdubs, like the little lead guitar noodle at the beginning of I'm A Loser.
I've had the deluxe edition sitting in my Amazon cart since you first enlightened me as to its existence. Just haven't pulled the trigger yet.
21 Jim Matheos
Appeared on 6 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (pg1067)
4 Top 10 Finishes
I like OSI and enjoy a little Fates Warning, but I don't actively listen to either, so it was hard for me to consider Matheos given all that. 4 top 10 finishes guaranteed a top 25 finish here.
20 Glenn Tipton
Appeared on 9 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (wolfking)
4 Top 10 Finishes
I had Tipton 12th, so this is my first to make the countdown! Longtime Priest fan, and I often am not sure where Tipton ends and Downing begins, but I remember reading that Tipton plays a lot of what I consider Priest's most notable solos, so I gave him the mention in my list instead of listing both. Really though, the two are interchangeable for me.
Two for me!
Jim is just so good. I probably like Frank Aresti's lead playing more, but Jim's rhythm playing is beyond ridiculous. Couple that with his songwriting (he basically is Fates Warning). Two essential listens: First, A Pleasant Shade of Gray. If you can't be bothered to listen to the whole thing, at least listen to VIII through XII. VIII is the segue from the front half of the album to the back half and culminates with a duet between acoustic guitar and piano in so many shifting time signatures and keys. IX is a nice ballad. X is mostly electronics. XI is blistering and revisits the patterns used in VIII in an electric context. XII is the piece de resistance. Really listen to to what the guitar is doing in the background of the 5/4 section as the song builds and builds to a climax. It's a really incredible piece. Second, check out Jim's solo album from the early '90s: First Impressions. It's all guitar (I think it's all acoustic), violin and cello. Some really beautiful pieces on this virtually unknown album.
I had Tipton at #9. As with Maiden, it's hard (for me at least) to talk about one guitarist without also talking about the other. Priest and Maiden exemplified the two guitar metal band.
I'm a little surprised I'm 4/6 so far, but I have a feeling a dry spell is coming - especially since 3 of the 4 have been in my top 10. I'm going to guess at this point that 12 of my 25 will make the list.
25. Michael Schenker
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Wow....0/6 so far but all good choices so far.
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0/2. Tipton was 47 on my list, but Matheos didn't figure in.
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Based on who's been listed so far and the stats involved, I'm pretty sure my #1, an absolute rock legend, won't make the final list.
Really? But he's an absolute rock legend!
We'll see... Nobody would argue his legend status. Nobody.
If there's one thing I've learnt about DTF, it's that nothing is beyond debate.
Such is life...No matter how good you are, there is always an army of people prepared to call you overated. I have no idea who Lonestar's n.1 is but it actually makes it kind of easier to question his legendary status... :D
Yea, can't wait for Lonestar to post his #1 so I can say "who?"
Well everyone will now just because you are all a bunch of assholes.
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If songwriting has had an impact on my list, it’s because I like the band or songs the guitarist I ranked plays in/on. But I’m voting for my favourite guitarists here, not for the guitar players in favourite bands, or my favourite songwriters who also happen to play the guitar.
This is also why I think I’ll have the least rock/metal players on my list and my list will probably diverge the most from the final rankings. We’ll see!
That said, I have two people on my list who are probably known better as a songwriter than as a guitarist (one of them is too high in hindsight, but it doesn’t matter as he’s not making the final list), but I ranked them precisely because it’s what they do with the guitar that makes them stand out and - in the case of the too-high one on my list - literally sound like nobody else.
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Based on who's been listed so far and the stats involved, I'm pretty sure my #1, an absolute rock legend, won't make the final list.
Really? But he's an absolute rock legend!
We'll see... Nobody would argue his legend status. Nobody.
If there's one thing I've learnt about DTF, it's that nothing is beyond debate.
Such is life...No matter how good you are, there is always an army of people prepared to call you overated. I have no idea who Lonestar's n.1 is but it actually makes it kind of easier to question his legendary status... :D
Yea, can't wait for Lonestar to post his #1 so I can say "who?"
Well everyone will now just because you are all a bunch of assholes.
You mean you didn’t check off the I’m An Asshole box when you joined DTF? I don’t think they let you in if you don’t.
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Based on who's been listed so far and the stats involved, I'm pretty sure my #1, an absolute rock legend, won't make the final list.
Really? But he's an absolute rock legend!
We'll see... Nobody would argue his legend status. Nobody.
If there's one thing I've learnt about DTF, it's that nothing is beyond debate.
Such is life...No matter how good you are, there is always an army of people prepared to call you overated. I have no idea who Lonestar's n.1 is but it actually makes it kind of easier to question his legendary status... :D
Yea, can't wait for Lonestar to post his #1 so I can say "who?"
Well everyone will now just because you are all a bunch of assholes.
You mean you didn’t check off the I’m An Asshole box when you joined DTF? I don’t think they let you in if you don’t.
I think it's more that some members are larger assholes to compensate for those who aren't assholes. I'll let you guess which one you are :lol
Lonestar, I just hope I genuinely don't have a clue who.your #1 is. Crossing my fingers.
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I didn’t necessarily include songwriting, but how they support the song with their playing would be a factor, as well as the specific guitar parts themselves which I guess is a part of songwriting. But definitely not thinking “oh, John Petrucci writes great lyrics so I need to bump him up.”
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Kev's next list. Top 25 assholes on DTF.
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Based on who's been listed so far and the stats involved, I'm pretty sure my #1, an absolute rock legend, won't make the final list.
Really? But he's an absolute rock legend!
We'll see... Nobody would argue his legend status. Nobody.
If there's one thing I've learnt about DTF, it's that nothing is beyond debate.
Such is life...No matter how good you are, there is always an army of people prepared to call you overated. I have no idea who Lonestar's n.1 is but it actually makes it kind of easier to question his legendary status... :D
Yea, can't wait for Lonestar to post his #1 so I can say "who?"
Well everyone will now just because you are all a bunch of assholes.
You mean you didn’t check off the I’m An Asshole box when you joined DTF? I don’t think they let you in if you don’t.
I think it's more that some members are larger assholes to compensate for those who aren't assholes. I'll let you guess which one you are :lol
Lonestar, I just hope I genuinely don't have a clue who.your #1 is. Crossing my fingers.
I'd truly be baffled if anyone didn't recognize him.
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Kev's next list. Top 25 assholes on DTF.
I can only narrow it down to 59, sorry
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RJ, I bet I will be familiar with your # 1.
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RJ, I bet I will be familiar with your # 1.
Is his #1 asshole widely known, or do I need to put some thought into this?
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RJ, I bet I will be familiar with your # 1.
Is his #1 asshole widely known, or do I need to put some thought into this?
As far as I know, RJ only has one asshole.
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RJ, I bet I will be familiar with your # 1.
Is his #1 asshole widely known, or do I need to put some thought into this?
As far as I know, RJ only has one asshole.
And while it's not widely known, it is known widely.
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RJ, I bet I will be familiar with your # 1.
Is his #1 asshole widely known, or do I need to put some thought into this?
As far as I know, RJ only has one asshole.
And while it's not widely known, it is known widely.
As far as I know.
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RJ, I bet I will be familiar with your # 1.
Is his #1 asshole widely known, or do I need to put some thought into this?
As far as I know, RJ only has one asshole.
And while it's not widely known, it is known widely.
As far as I know.
Not that it matters.
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RJ, I bet I will be familiar with your # 1.
Is his #1 asshole widely known, or do I need to put some thought into this?
As far as I know, RJ only has one asshole.
And while it's not widely known, it is known widely.
As far as I know.
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
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From guitar players to assholes. Is there a correlation? :D
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From guitar players to assholes. Is there a correlation? :D
That would be lead singers. :lol
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Yeah, probably :lol
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Holy shit guys :rollin
Also, king has seen my list and can attest to the legendary status of my top axe man
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Interestingly, Tipton probably wouldn't have made my list because I get the impression he's an asshole.
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Holy shit guys :rollin
Also, king has seen my list and can attest to the legendary status of my top axe man
Is it Buckethead?
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Holy shit guys :rollin
Also, king has seen my list and can attest to the legendary status of my top axe man
Is it Buckethead?
He nearly made my list to be fair.
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lonestar's number 1 guitarist was this guy:
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Marvin Berry
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lonestar's number 1 guitarist was this guy:
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Buckethead to Butthead
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Dude...spoilers...
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Buckethead to Butthead
... :corn
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21 Jim Matheos
Appeared on 6 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (pg1067)
4 Top 10 Finishes
20 Glenn Tipton
Appeared on 9 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (wolfking)
4 Top 10 Finishes
Jim Matheos - love Fates Warning but didn't even consider Jim. My list is mostly made up of my childhood/teenage year heros and Fates Warning and Jim I didn't discover until later.
Glenn Tipton - seriously considered as I love Priest but just missed out.
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As you can all see, I had Tipton at number 1. Considering my love for the guitar and all the guitar heroes I've followed for the last 25 or so years, it seems like a bold call. Glenn Tipton is so underrated in what he does it's not funny. Technically, he is on point with some of what he comes up with over certain chord changes and rhythm sections is far beyond most and up there with any of the technical shredders. His outside playing and his knack of adding in Dorian lines, blues lines, harmonic minor lines, diminished shapes out of nowhere and still make it work is incredible. Take 1:48 in Electric Eye for example, incredible. Have a listen to his solo track Baptizm of Fire too. I seriously have no fucking clue or even tried to work out what's going on in this whole track, it's insane.
I think the main reason why he is my number one, is because I think no one really crafts a better solo than he does. When I want to pick up the guitar and play along to some tunes, there are so many of his solos that are so notable, defined and simply complete that they are perfect for the song. If I were to list a top 50 of all time favourite solos, I know Glenn would be represented the most. That kind of makes him my default number one pick.
His tone also is always amazing. He got pretty razor like later in his career for a bit with a lot of phaser but toned it back again the last couple of albums. His early tone though with minimal gain is always just a pleasure to listen to. Again, so many solos I could tear apart and each one of them a journey with so much going on. So underrated and when you look at all the heavy metal bands at the time, he trumps them all IMO. To list some of my personal favourites;
Beyond the Realms of Death - I think you could call this the example of a perfectly crafted and written solo. It's a journey within a journey and the way it climbs and builds to the end is nothing short of perfect.
A Touch of Evil - Again, such a perfect build. He takes the word Evil and makes the solo just that.
All Guns Blazing - Possibly his most insane. So many tricks, so many changes, so many different shapes, wonderful.
Ram it Down - First half is a trade off with KK, but what he is doing in the second half is technically brilliant. That major sounding lick coming out of the harmonised section in the middle is just too good.
Heavy Metal - Ram it Down is a highlight for his playing and this, just a class solo.
Here Come the Tears - I talked about Schenker crying through his guitar in Try Me, well this could be Glenn's most underrated. He portrays the sadness from Rob's character so perfectly. The strained slow bends almost off key, the stacco picked parts sounding like he's crying, the off notes in the buildup towards the end. So underrated.
Prisoner of Your Eyes - A b-side but with an A class solo. There's a little section from KK in there but this has a Beyond the Realms of Death kinda feel. Sweet tone and again for a ballad, so many parts that have interesting note choices that all fit. All class.
Dreamer Deceiver - A classic and a kind of solo that was maybe ahead of its time? A little simpler than what he come up with later in his career but perfect for the song.
I'm A Rocker - Class melodic soloing with a great diminished ending and a nice harmonic minor slip in there right before it. Great whammy bar work too which he had a nice touch for. Great ad lib at the end too.
Lochness - Classic sounding solo he managed to come up late in his career. Has all the traits of a classic Tipton solo. odd notes, great build and just a creative feel. You can here the slight sloppiness coming into his playing at this point of his career but it's still so good.
I could go on and on.
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Heavy Metal - Ram it Down is a highlight for his playing and this, just a class solo.
Ram It Down gets more hate than it deserves. It has some crazy great songs (the title track and, despite the somewhat lame title, I'm a Rocker being chief among them). Unfortunately, Heavy Metal is kind of a lame song that got a lot of hype at the time just because of the title. "Dude...it's actually CALLED 'Heavy Metal'!!!!" I pass no judgment on the solo, though.
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Heavy Metal - Ram it Down is a highlight for his playing and this, just a class solo.
Ram It Down gets more hate than it deserves. It has some crazy great songs (the title track and, despite the somewhat lame title, I'm a Rocker being chief among them). Unfortunately, Heavy Metal is kind of a lame song that got a lot of hype at the time just because of the title. "Dude...it's actually CALLED 'Heavy Metal'!!!!" I pass no judgment on the solo, though.
I think it's let down by a few real clunkers. Love Zone and Come and Get It are pretty awful. Hard as Iron is a really nice deep cut too. Pure power metal.
Blood Red Skies obviously a highlight and Monsters of Rock is even decent. I'm A Rocker is a great song as cheesy as it is. Heavy Metal is elevated by the solo.
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In making my list, other than a handful of people that stand out, I realized how little I pay attention to guitarists as a whole. I listen to bands first, and for a guitarist to stand out, while it's real subjective, they're just something I don't think about.
My problem with Glenn Tipton is that I do like, not love, Judas Priest. They've never been an influence on me musically. Of course I really like a lot of their material. The only solo spot that I think I have ever really noticed is the dual harmonies in the Heading Out To The Highway solo.
I know I talked a lot about Michael Schenker last night, but yesterday's entries included Dave Mustaine, who also made my list. I'm glad he made the list. Megadeth has (not so) quietly put together a monster catalog of great riffs and solos.
As far as rating guitarists as songwriters..what's wrong with that? So they happened to write their guitar parts.
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LOVE both Tipton & Downing as Priest has always been a top 10 band for me, but neither made my top 25.
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Damn, totally forgot about Tom Scholz.
Tom wasn't even the best guitarist in the band! Barry Goudreau blew him away on stage!
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Tipton #4 for me! Can’t say it any better than Wolfking; jaw-droppingly amazing soloist. Beyond the Realms of Death is probably the greatest metal solo.
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My running list reveal: 2/6
21. Dave Mustaine
5. SRV
Considered: Matheos
Not considered: DeGarmo, M.Schenker, Tipton
Guitar make tracker:
Hamer 6 pts
PRS 5 pts
Jackson 4 pts
Gibson 3 pts
ESP 2 pts
Fender 1 pt
This is going not at all how I'd anticipated! I'm thinking(?) the more mainstream brands will make a comeback. Maybe not. Matheos seemed pretty straightforward as a PRS guy. Tipton, on the other hand, I learned a bit about him today. Found out that he's played a variety of guitars over the years. But the one that stood out to me as his signature instrument was the Hamer Phantom. Let me know if you disagree! wolf?
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Look ahead: both of tomorrow's featured guitarists finished number 1 on someone's list.
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Is one of them a Rock Legend? ;D
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Both played on at least one song that was a mainstay on classic rock radio back in the day.
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Both played on at least one song that was a mainstay on classic rock radio back in the day.
The same song? I'd venture a guess but I don't want Tim getting all butt hurt.
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As you can all see, I had Tipton at number 1. Considering my love for the guitar and all the guitar heroes I've followed for the last 25 or so years, it seems like a bold call. Glenn Tipton is so underrated in what he does it's not funny. Technically, he is on point with some of what he comes up with over certain chord changes and rhythm sections is far beyond most and up there with any of the technical shredders. His outside playing and his knack of adding in Dorian lines, blues lines, harmonic minor lines, diminished shapes out of nowhere and still make it work is incredible. Take 1:48 in Electric Eye for example, incredible. Have a listen to his solo track Baptizm of Fire too. I seriously have no fucking clue or even tried to work out what's going on in this whole track, it's insane.
I think the main reason why he is my number one, is because I think no one really crafts a better solo than he does. When I want to pick up the guitar and play along to some tunes, there are so many of his solos that are so notable, defined and simply complete that they are perfect for the song. If I were to list a top 50 of all time favourite solos, I know Glenn would be represented the most. That kind of makes him my default number one pick.
His tone also is always amazing. He got pretty razor like later in his career for a bit with a lot of phaser but toned it back again the last couple of albums. His early tone though with minimal gain is always just a pleasure to listen to. Again, so many solos I could tear apart and each one of them a journey with so much going on. So underrated and when you look at all the heavy metal bands at the time, he trumps them all IMO. To list some of my personal favourites;
Beyond the Realms of Death - I think you could call this the example of a perfectly crafted and written solo. It's a journey within a journey and the way it climbs and builds to the end is nothing short of perfect.
A Touch of Evil - Again, such a perfect build. He takes the word Evil and makes the solo just that.
All Guns Blazing - Possibly his most insane. So many tricks, so many changes, so many different shapes, wonderful.
Ram it Down - First half is a trade off with KK, but what he is doing in the second half is technically brilliant. That major sounding lick coming out of the harmonised section in the middle is just too good.
Heavy Metal - Ram it Down is a highlight for his playing and this, just a class solo.
Here Come the Tears - I talked about Schenker crying through his guitar in Try Me, well this could be Glenn's most underrated. He portrays the sadness from Rob's character so perfectly. The strained slow bends almost off key, the stacco picked parts sounding like he's crying, the off notes in the buildup towards the end. So underrated.
Prisoner of Your Eyes - A b-side but with an A class solo. There's a little section from KK in there but this has a Beyond the Realms of Death kinda feel. Sweet tone and again for a ballad, so many parts that have interesting note choices that all fit. All class.
Dreamer Deceiver - A classic and a kind of solo that was maybe ahead of its time? A little simpler than what he come up with later in his career but perfect for the song.
I'm A Rocker - Class melodic soloing with a great diminished ending and a nice harmonic minor slip in there right before it. Great whammy bar work too which he had a nice touch for. Great ad lib at the end too.
Lochness - Classic sounding solo he managed to come up late in his career. Has all the traits of a classic Tipton solo. odd notes, great build and just a creative feel. You can here the slight sloppiness coming into his playing at this point of his career but it's still so good.
I could go on and on.
Cheers for this dude. I'd love to be able to explain why I love certain guitarists in this way, but not being a guitar player I don't fully understand a lot I'd what you said :lol
There are so many Priest songs, and albums, that I've never heard, so I will be giving all of these songs a listen. Nothing I've ever heard by the band has really connected with me, and made me really want to dig deeper. I'll start here though :tup I think it often helps me, when I hear someone talk with passion about why they love a certain artist.
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RJ, I bet I will be familiar with your # 1.
Is his #1 asshole widely known, or do I need to put some thought into this?
As far as I know, RJ only has one asshole.
And while it's not widely known, it is known widely.
As far as I know.
:lol
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Would have been 0/2 for me today.
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Look ahead: both of tomorrow's featured guitarists finished number 1 on someone's list.
I hope mine is not one of them. That would be absolute blasphemy.
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Absolute zero chance my #1 is even making this list.
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Wolfking selected some of my absolute favorite Tipton solos. Well done. :tup
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Absolute zero chance my #1 is even making this list.
This^
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Here are today's guitarists...
18 (t) Mark Knopfler
Appeared on 7 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Dave_Manchester)
4 Top 10 Finishes
I have never been much of a Dire Straits fan outside of a few songs, but Knopfler is certainly a fantastic guitarist. I will give him props alone for the Princess Bride theme, which is one of the most gorgeous melodies ever played. Unranked for me, but I have much respect for him as a musician.
18 (t) Ritchie Blackmore
Appeared on 10 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Stadler)
3 Top 10 Finishes
Also unranked for me, but you have to give it up a little for the man who wrote and played perhaps the most recognizable riff in the history of rock music. The running joke back in the day was that every wannabe guitarist who found himself in a guitar shop would pick up a guitar and try to play the Smoke on the Water riff.
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Wolfking selected some of my absolute favorite Tipton solos. Well done. :tup
I can't believe I forgot probably the best metal solo of all time in Painkiller. What a brilliantly crafted shred fest.
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Here are today's guitarists...
18 (t) Mark Knopfler
Appeared on 7 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Dave_Manchester)
4 Top 10 Finishes
I have never been much of a Dire Straits fan outside of a few songs, but Knopfler is certainly a fantastic guitarist. I will give him props alone for the Princess Bride theme, which is one of the most gorgeous melodies ever played. Unranked for me, but I have much respect for him as a musician.
18 (t) Ritchie Blackmore
Appeared on 10 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Stadler)
3 Top 10 Finishes
Also unranked for me, but you have to give it up a little for the man who wrote and played perhaps the most recognizable riff in the history of rock music. The running joke back in the day was that every wannabe guitarist who found himself in a guitar shop would pick up a guitar and try to play the Smoke on the Water riff.
Knopfler is legit. Not a big DS fan, but this guy is a wonderful guitar player.
Blackmore, I have never quite understood the hype.
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Knopfler almost made my list. I think I had him at 27.
Blackmore barely made it at #25.
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I had Knopfler 14, and Blackmore at 15, so pretty close.
These two players always benefitted from having their own, highly recognizable, style and tone.
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0/2 again. Ah well.
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0/2 again. Ah well.
You do have a guitarist list. Right?
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0/8
Both fantastic musicians of course, just not bands I follow.
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0/2 again. Ah well.
Same here. I'm only really confident that two more of my favourites will make the list.
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0/2 again. Ah well.
You do have a guitarist list. Right?
Yup. SRV made mine thus far. Just none of these other people.
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Is anyone else still hanging, or am I the only loser yet to score someone on the list?
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Knopfler :heart
If I'd made a list, he would be on my Top 5.
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Both fantastic musicians of course, just not bands I follow.
About where I would have landed.
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Is anyone else still hanging, or am I the only loser yet to score someone on the list?
I only got 1 so far. I'm confident a bunch in my top 10/5 will show up, but the rest don't stand a chance. I'm not a huge classic prog/rock guy so a bunch of these people aren't going to show up on my list.
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Yea I've only got Mustaine so far
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Did not include either, but would have expected both to make the list. I like some Dire Straits stuff, and certainly Sultans of Swing is a classic guitar track. I do still need to give more of Knopfler’s stuff a listen probably.
Blackmore just doesn’t play a style of rock that I really listen to. Sure I know Smoke on the Water and a few other Blackmore tracks, but not enough to really have an opinion of him.
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I take back what I said. Looking at my list, MAYBE 4 or so of my top 10 will show up on the list. Maybe.
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Is anyone else still hanging, or am I the only loser yet to score someone on the list?
Nope, same here. Seems we’re both in the losers club.
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Dreamer Deceiver - A classic and a kind of solo that was maybe ahead of its time? A little simpler than what he come up with later in his career but perfect for the song.
If we did a Priest top whatever, this would likely be in my Top Five.
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I take back what I said. Looking at my list, MAYBE 4 or so of my top 10 will show up on the list. Maybe.
I expect 3 from my top 10 to show up. Maybe 2-3 more from the rest.
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Dreamer Deceiver - A classic and a kind of solo that was maybe ahead of its time? A little simpler than what he come up with later in his career but perfect for the song.
If we did a Priest top whatever, this would likely be in my Top Five.
The whole atmosphere of the whole song is chilling.
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Ayyyy I got one!
8. Mark Knopfler (18)
Mark Knopfler and David Gilmour were the first two guitar players I remember take notice of when I was around 5 years old. I would go around the apartment playing air guitar to the ending of Telegraph Road. Over the years and becoming a guitar player myself I really started to appreciate the unique style Mark has. It isn't just the way he plays guitar but his note selection is always so tasteful and fits so perfectly.
If you guys have never checked out Neck and Neck with Mark Knopfler and Chet Atkins you should, it's a great listen.
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Man here goes my Top 3 :lol 3/8!
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Knopfler is awesome, from DS to his solo work. Telegraph Road is one of my favourite albums, and the title track is one of my favourite songs. So is Brothers in Arms. His playing is very tasteful. It was a difficult choice between him and my Top 1 guitarist.
Blackmore's music I grew up with. From pre-1976 Deep Purple, to Rainbow, to Blackmore's Night early work, I just really enjoy the music and his playing (his personality not as much). I knew he was going to make my Top 3, but he's clearly below Mark Knopfler and the other guy on my list.
Expected Knopfler to be on the list, but didn't actually think Blackmore would make it. Good to see both here.
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Mark Knopfler and David Gilmour were the first two guitar players I remember take notice of when I was around 5 years old. I would go around the apartment playing air guitar to the ending of Telegraph Road.
I still channel that same energy at 39.
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Is anyone else still hanging, or am I the only loser yet to score someone on the list?
I only got 1 so far. I'm confident a bunch in my top 10/5 will show up, but the rest don't stand a chance. I'm not a huge classic prog/rock guy so a bunch of these people aren't going to show up on my list.
Yeah, I got maybe 10 who will definitely be here... For example I imagine Petrucci will be fairly high... And I got about 10 who when I put them on my list, I knew I'd be the only one recognizing them. Curious to see where the middle 5 fall.
I take back what I said. Looking at my list, MAYBE 4 or so of my top 10 will show up on the list. Maybe.
4 of my top ten are locks. One I'm about 90% sure. My top pick I'd put at 60%. 1 is about 35%. 3 won't see the list.
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NR: Jim Matheos
NR: Dave Mustaine
Many of the same things you can say about Tipton, you can say about Blackmore. He always seemed to be able to put a little symphony together during the solo spot. Even something as well-known as Smoke On The Water, the solo is a well-crafter song-within-a-song.
Other highlights:
- Highway Star: When Morse took the Purple gig, he said that was the one solo he worried about. He knew it was a master class in composition and technique, and he would have to follow it pretty closely to get the point across, but easier said than done.
- Lazy
- Breakfast In Bed: A dumb song, on every level EXCEPT the guitar playing.
- Firedance
- Drinking With The Devil
- Makin' Love
The thing about Blackmore is... we ask for emotion in the playing we listen to, and in a sort of unorthodox way, he always supplied that. An angry man at times, his playing would often reflect that. Some of his best work - the '75 tour before he left Purple (evidenced on "Made In Europe" and "Live In Paris"), the '93 tour before he left Purple (evidenced on "Come Hell Or High Water" and the tour box set from Stuttgart and Birmingham) and on both The Battle Rages On and Slaves and Masters - is incendiary.
I'm also very very partial to his quieter instrumentals - Weiss Heim, Son of Alerik, Snowman, Anybody There, Vielleicht Das Nächste Mal (Maybe Next Time). I have a playlist on my phone of just those works.
And one could do the same with his Blackmore's Night stuff; I took my daughter to see them in a small theater, and during "Soldier of Fortune", he did a little solo piece before the song and my daughter - who doesn't know a guitar from a frying pan more or less - turned to me and said "wow, he's really good isn't he?".
This is the guy that basically formed my (musical life). I fell in love with "Deepest Purple" and the "Straight Between The Eyes" record, and never fell out to this day. Ironically, I've seen over 350 concerts in my life... and never saw him "electric" (I've seen him four times with Blackmore's Night, and got to shake his hand once after one of the shows.)
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Another 0/2 day for me.
Knopfler is awesome. He just barely missed my Top 25.
Blackmore was unranked completely. I know he's great, but I've never really cared for Deep Purple, so he's simply not a player I ever listen to.
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Wolfking selected some of my absolute favorite Tipton solos. Well done. :tup
I can't believe I forgot probably the best metal solo of all time in Painkiller. What a brilliantly crafted shred fest.
I thought you just didn't want to go with the obvious. ;D
Knopfler almost made my list. I enjoy the early Dire Straits albums, it was also great to see him live a couple of times and just soak in his gorgeous guitar sound, but I think the reason I didn't include him is because I don't listen to that much of his work nowadays.
Blackmore is a legend. I like Purple, I like Rainbow, but not enough to have the man in my top 25.
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Dreamer Deceiver - A classic and a kind of solo that was maybe ahead of its time? A little simpler than what he come up with later in his career but perfect for the song.
If we did a Priest top whatever, this would likely be in my Top Five.
I don’t get the hype for this song at all. :)
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I had Blackmore at 18, even more for his influence than how much I enjoy him. I actually think his best stuff was on the 70s Rainbow albums.
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Actually 0/8 so far. I thought I had Mustaine in my 25 but he just missed out.
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Mark Knopfler, my #3.
What can I say? He is the one that is responsible that I picked up a guitar and learned (somewhat) to play. Although some might say, that that isn't a feat but more of a liability. ;) Hearing Money For Nothing for the first time, that strange distorted heavy sound just blew me away.
Knopfler is one who has a very distinctive and unique tone and style, he's always recognizable. I love Dire Straits and seeing them live on the On Every Street tour was kind of transcendental. So many great guitar lines and solos from Sultans Of Swing to Tunnel Of Love to Telegraph Road to Brothers In Arms. His solo work is more relaxed, sometimes a little bit too relaxed for my liking, but still great guitar work all around.
And then there are his film scores, some great melodies there and his collaborations, which are worth a listen too.
Ritchie Blackmore I didn't rate. He's a good guitar player, who's created some riffs for eternity and I definitely recognize his influence. But although I like me some Deep Purple, I have never really connected enough with his playing to consider him a favorite.
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Is anyone else still hanging, or am I the only loser yet to score someone on the list?
Nope, 0/8 for me too!
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Is anyone else still hanging, or am I the only loser yet to score someone on the list?
Nope, 0/8 for me too!
:hug:
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I am 0-8 as well.
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Alright boys, no need to show off your hipster tastes.
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:lol
Will I get a prize for having the most guitarist only on my list?
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0/8 :omg:
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The running joke back in the day was that every wannabe guitarist who found himself in a guitar shop would pick up a guitar and try to play the Smoke on the Water riff.
And hopefully had to duck a Boss distortion pedal thrown hard at his head (which would hurt like fuck if it connected). :lol
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The running joke back in the day was that every wannabe guitarist who found himself in a guitar shop would pick up a guitar and try to play the Smoke on the Water riff.
And hopefully had to duck a Boss distortion pedal thrown hard at his head (which would hurt like fuck if it connected). :lol
I should've done this when I worked at Guitar Center. Smoke on the Water, Stairway to Heaven and Sweet Child O' Mine, 3 riffs that will get you some looks at any guitar store (And not the good kind).
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Heavy Metal - Ram it Down is a highlight for his playing and this, just a class solo.
Ram It Down gets more hate than it deserves. It has some crazy great songs (the title track and, despite the somewhat lame title, I'm a Rocker being chief among them). Unfortunately, Heavy Metal is kind of a lame song that got a lot of hype at the time just because of the title. "Dude...it's actually CALLED 'Heavy Metal'!!!!" I pass no judgment on the solo, though.
I think it's let down by a few real clunkers. Love Zone and Come and Get It are pretty awful. Hard as Iron is a really nice deep cut too. Pure power metal.
Blood Red Skies obviously a highlight and Monsters of Rock is even decent. I'm A Rocker is a great song as cheesy as it is. Heavy Metal is elevated by the solo.
We're on pretty much the same page with Ram It Down. I listened to it on my way home yesterday and forced myself not to skip Love Zone and Come and Get It, but I couldn't bear to listen to Johnny. It's unfortunate that they chose that as the lead single. I'd say the title track and Hard as Iron are the two best songs on the album, and either would have been MUCH better - especially on the heels of Turbo.
18 (t) Mark Knopfler
Appeared on 7 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Dave_Manchester)
4 Top 10 Finishes
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18 (t) Ritchie Blackmore
Appeared on 10 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Stadler)
3 Top 10 Finishes
Also unranked for me, but you have to give it up a little for the man who wrote and played perhaps the most recognizable riff in the history of rock music. The running joke back in the day was that every wannabe guitarist who found himself in a guitar shop would pick up a guitar and try to play the Smoke on the Water riff.
I regard Knopfler in the same vein as guys like Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton. I was told they were some of the greats, but I never heard much that they did, and the stuff I did hear didn't justify any legendary status. I know Sultans of Swing, which is a pretty cool song, and the songs from Brothers in Arms that were shoved down my throat by MTV. Money for Nothing is decent, but I don't ever need to hear it again. So Far Away is lame, and Walk of Life is an absolutely horrible song. If I've ever heard anything else by Knopfler, I don't know it.
Blackmore, on the other hand, was awesome. He was also a guy I was told was one of the greats, and then I heard his stuff, and legendary status was justified. The obvious difference is that Blackmore leaned way more to the classical than the blues (but plenty of the latter there too). For me, the Rainbow catalog trumps the Purple stuff, but there's so much great stuff in both, so I ranked him at #12.
5/8 so far.
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25 Stevie Ray Vaughan #13 a couple of our couples friends were big fans, so I gave ‘Live Alive’ a couple of listens to familiarize myself with his music before seeing him in concert. Not my cup of tea, but good stuff, and there was no denying the man's talent. A few weeks later, we met at the Kalamazoo Fairgrounds, tailgated, and had a great time. Three days later was the helicopter crash. :sad:
24 Chris DeGarmo #6 similar to Gary Richrath of REO Speedwagon in their prime for me. Looks, image, style, personality…… let’s just call it a ‘man crush’.
23 Michael Schenker NR though I gained an appreciation of his better works from TAC’s discography thread (and his Spotify list above)
22 Dave Mustaine NR figured he'd make this list
21 Jim Matheos NR unfamiliar with his work
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I gave that first SRV album a listen the other night. Realized I knew several of the songs already. He’s definitely a great player. Any criticisms I’d have are more or less general complaints about the blues (too repetitive, standardized songs, etc.). But I can see why people would praise him.
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I gave that first SRV album a listen the other night. Realized I knew several of the songs already. He’s definitely a great player. Any criticisms I’d have are more or less general complaints about the blues (too repetitive, standardized songs, etc.). But I can see why people would praise him.
Check out his cover of Hendrix's Little Wing. That song has everything great about his playing.
My thing about SRV is that I feel like I hear more of him coming through his hands on those strings than I hear of anyone else through THEIR hands on strings. Some of that is technique, but it's mostly just him.
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25 Stevie Ray Vaughan #13 a couple of our couples friends were big fans, so I gave ‘Live Alive’ a couple of listens to familiarize myself with his music before seeing him in concert. Not my cup of tea, but good stuff, and there was no denying the man's talent. A few weeks later, we met at the Kalamazoo Fairgrounds, tailgated, and had a great time. Three days later was the helicopter crash. :sad:
24 Chris DeGarmo #6 similar to Gary Richrath of REO Speedwagon in their prime for me. Looks, image, style, personality…… let’s just call it a ‘man crush’.
23 Michael Schenker NR though I gained an appreciation of his better works from TAC’s discography thread (and his Spotify list above)
22 Dave Mustaine NR figured he'd make this list
21 Jim Matheos NR unfamiliar with his work
Good call; I forgot him at the time of list-making. Don't know that he would have cracked the top 25, but he should have been considered. He had such a sweet tone.
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I gave that first SRV album a listen the other night. Realized I knew several of the songs already. He’s definitely a great player. Any criticisms I’d have are more or less general complaints about the blues (too repetitive, standardized songs, etc.). But I can see why people would praise him.
My brother always tells of seeing SRV way back in the day, and after the standard set, when all the backing band had left the stage, he came out and said he was having too much fun. He proceeded to chat with the audience and jam by himself for another half hour. Guarantee if I'd been at that show, he would've been on my list.
He always played the same venue here up to his death, and every time he'd come to town, he used to visit the same AA fellowship, one that is for low bottom drunks with a homeless shelter across the street. I can only imagine the roughest of drunks and addicts doing their daily thing, and having SRV just randomly walk in for a casual meeting.
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I gave that first SRV album a listen the other night. Realized I knew several of the songs already. He’s definitely a great player. Any criticisms I’d have are more or less general complaints about the blues (too repetitive, standardized songs, etc.). But I can see why people would praise him.
Check out his cover of Hendrix's Little Wing. That song has everything great about his playing.
My thing about SRV is that I feel like I hear more of him coming through his hands on those strings than I hear of anyone else through THEIR hands on strings. Some of that is technique, but it's mostly just him.
When you hear, "That guy can make the guitar cry", I always think someone is talking about SRV.
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I gave that first SRV album a listen the other night. Realized I knew several of the songs already. He’s definitely a great player. Any criticisms I’d have are more or less general complaints about the blues (too repetitive, standardized songs, etc.). But I can see why people would praise him.
If you're open to it, try to find either of the Montreux videos (one is from '82 and one is from '85). He's such a treat to watch. Whoever said it was "in his hands" has it right. He COMMANDED that instrument. I've seen many of the greats, or at least those that are famous for being great, but there was never any FIGHTING of the instrument, only coaxing.
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I gave that first SRV album a listen the other night. Realized I knew several of the songs already. He’s definitely a great player. Any criticisms I’d have are more or less general complaints about the blues (too repetitive, standardized songs, etc.). But I can see why people would praise him.
My brother always tells of seeing SRV way back in the day, and after the standard set, when all the backing band had left the stage, he came out and said he was having too much fun. He proceeded to chat with the audience and jam by himself for another half hour. Guarantee if I'd been at that show, he would've been on my list.
He always played the same venue here up to his death, and every time he'd come to town, he used to visit the same AA fellowship, one that is for low bottom drunks with a homeless shelter across the street. I can only imagine the roughest of drunks and addicts doing their daily thing, and having SRV just randomly walk in for a casual meeting.
Dressed like he was; that man certainly dressed like a rock star, even if he wasn't, exactly. :) :) :)
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:lol
Will I get a prize for having the most guitarist only on my list?
Free Necrophilia band tickets. I will assume their guitarist is on your list.
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:lol
Will I get a prize for having the most guitarist only on my list?
Free Necrophilia band tickets. I will assume their guitarist is on your list.
One of them is... The other didn't quite make the cut.
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:lol
Will I get a prize for having the most guitarist only on my list?
Free Necrophilia band tickets. I will assume their guitarist is on your list.
One of them is... The other didn't quite make the cut.
I need to check them out.
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Hmmm...looking at who submitted lists, I think I'll even get less of my choices onto the final list. I'd say 10 should be guaranteed, but I've been wrong before. Many times actually. :lol
I was planning on making a list but in the end I did not have the time.
Would have put a certain guitarrist from a two letter band somewhere quite high for sure...
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I need to check them out.
Let me help ya out... https://youtu.be/19VQ9tkWksQ (https://youtu.be/19VQ9tkWksQ)
Hmmm...looking at who submitted lists, I think I'll even get less of my choices onto the final list. I'd say 10 should be guaranteed, but I've been wrong before. Many times actually. :lol
I was planning on making a list but in the end I did not have the time.
Would have put a certain guitarrist from a two letter band somewhere quite high for sure...
See, that's the thing that's making me doubt a few of my submissions. If Jingle and King had submitted lists, I got one guy I'd guarantee, now I'm doubtful. If you and a few others had submitted, Mr Holmes might make it, I'm seriously doubting it now. Same with a few others. It's more who submitted lists than anything else.
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I need to check them out.
Let me help ya out... https://youtu.be/19VQ9tkWksQ (https://youtu.be/19VQ9tkWksQ)
Hmmm...looking at who submitted lists, I think I'll even get less of my choices onto the final list. I'd say 10 should be guaranteed, but I've been wrong before. Many times actually. :lol
I was planning on making a list but in the end I did not have the time.
Would have put a certain guitarrist from a two letter band somewhere quite high for sure...
See, that's the thing that's making me doubt a few of my submissions. If Jingle and King had submitted lists, I got one guy I'd guarantee, now I'm doubtful. If you and a few others had submitted, Mr Holmes might make it, I'm seriously doubting it now. Same with a few others. It's more who submitted lists than anything else.
I imagine between you, me, and maybe Stadler that you’ll get one on the list.
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How does this work? send a PM?
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See, that's the thing that's making me doubt a few of my submissions. If Jingle and King had submitted lists, I got one guy I'd guarantee, now I'm doubtful. If you and a few others had submitted, Mr Holmes might make it, I'm seriously doubting it now. Same with a few others. It's more who submitted lists than anything else.
I thought Sherlock Holmes played violin.
In all seriousness, when I was putting my list together, I thought of including the guitarist from IQ but I couldn't remember his name so no dice.
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I need to check them out.
Let me help ya out... https://youtu.be/19VQ9tkWksQ (https://youtu.be/19VQ9tkWksQ)
Hmmm...looking at who submitted lists, I think I'll even get less of my choices onto the final list. I'd say 10 should be guaranteed, but I've been wrong before. Many times actually. :lol
I was planning on making a list but in the end I did not have the time.
Would have put a certain guitarrist from a two letter band somewhere quite high for sure...
See, that's the thing that's making me doubt a few of my submissions. If Jingle and King had submitted lists, I got one guy I'd guarantee, now I'm doubtful. If you and a few others had submitted, Mr Holmes might make it, I'm seriously doubting it now. Same with a few others. It's more who submitted lists than anything else.
WHAT. THE. FUCK?! That blew me away!!!! You just recruited a new fan. They have amazing stage presence! That guitarist with the black shirt totally shreds. :metal :metal :metal
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See, that's the thing that's making me doubt a few of my submissions. If Jingle and King had submitted lists, I got one guy I'd guarantee, now I'm doubtful. If you and a few others had submitted, Mr Holmes might make it, I'm seriously doubting it now. Same with a few others. It's more who submitted lists than anything else.
I thought Sherlock Holmes played violin.
In all seriousness, when I was putting my list together, I thought of including the guitarist from IQ but I couldn't remember his name so no dice.
The question is.....Did you include the guitarist from Dice?
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How does this work? send a PM?
Too late. You missed the deadline.
All you can do now is read about the results with us.
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@lonestar. I just realized Saki is in the band. Love her in Amahiru.
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I need to check them out.
Let me help ya out... https://youtu.be/19VQ9tkWksQ (https://youtu.be/19VQ9tkWksQ)
Hmmm...looking at who submitted lists, I think I'll even get less of my choices onto the final list. I'd say 10 should be guaranteed, but I've been wrong before. Many times actually. :lol
I was planning on making a list but in the end I did not have the time.
Would have put a certain guitarrist from a two letter band somewhere quite high for sure...
See, that's the thing that's making me doubt a few of my submissions. If Jingle and King had submitted lists, I got one guy I'd guarantee, now I'm doubtful. If you and a few others had submitted, Mr Holmes might make it, I'm seriously doubting it now. Same with a few others. It's more who submitted lists than anything else.
WHAT. THE. FUCK?! That blew me away!!!! You just recruited a new fan. They have amazing stage presence! That guitarist with the black shirt totally shreds. :metal :metal :metal
Yeah...I love how so many people have jokes about the female Japanese metal scene, then they get a taste and get fucking blown away, there's a deeeeeeeep talent pool there. I've seen Nemophila 4 times now in the past year, and they just keep getting better. The guitarist, Saki, also plays in Mary's Blood and Amahiru with Kreator's Frederik LeClercq. She is truly a force to be reckoned with. The other girl, Hazuki, is definitely skilled too, and almost made my list as well, but I figured 5 Japanese females would be overkill :lol
Edit- didn't see your last post and didn't feel like editing lol
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I need to check them out.
Let me help ya out... https://youtu.be/19VQ9tkWksQ (https://youtu.be/19VQ9tkWksQ)
WHAT. THE. FUCK?! That blew me away!!!! You just recruited a new fan. They have amazing stage presence! That guitarist with the black shirt totally shreds. :metal :metal :metal
(https://i.imgflip.com/7iwdrl.jpg)
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I need to check them out.
Let me help ya out... https://youtu.be/19VQ9tkWksQ (https://youtu.be/19VQ9tkWksQ)
WHAT. THE. FUCK?! That blew me away!!!! You just recruited a new fan. They have amazing stage presence! That guitarist with the black shirt totally shreds. :metal :metal :metal
(https://i.imgflip.com/7iwdrl.jpg)
:rollin
Actually I think we're at 4 now...Arrich and Cram are as well, Cram even went to see them live. King is a casual as well.
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Is Cram actually registered because he sees everyone live.
Oh, and I love Frederic Leclerq. He's a monster musician.
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I usually last ten minutes watching them. Then I need a cigarette.
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I usually last ten minutes watching them. Then I need a cigarette.
And this is the face of a man after two consecutive nights with them...
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I usually last ten minutes watching them. Then I need a cigarette.
And this is the face of a man after two consecutive nights with them...
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/330385002_935198760954202_7297933476384172452_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=e3f864&_nc_ohc=Zgu3QyL4KXEAX_UGmeU&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=00_AfAakc0smBpz3yQ_Su4k5xeM49Lvy2vcPxkTc30Co5av-Q&oe=64463CBD)
That's a great pic.
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I usually last ten minutes watching them. Then I need a cigarette.
And this is the face of a man after two consecutive nights with them...
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/330385002_935198760954202_7297933476384172452_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=e3f864&_nc_ohc=Zgu3QyL4KXEAX_UGmeU&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=00_AfAakc0smBpz3yQ_Su4k5xeM49Lvy2vcPxkTc30Co5av-Q&oe=64463CBD)
That's a great pic.
Yup, it's on my wall now. :biggrin:
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That's real? No 'shop? If so that is AWESOME. That is beyond cool.
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I need to check them out.
Let me help ya out... https://youtu.be/19VQ9tkWksQ (https://youtu.be/19VQ9tkWksQ)
WHAT. THE. FUCK?! That blew me away!!!! You just recruited a new fan. They have amazing stage presence! That guitarist with the black shirt totally shreds. :metal :metal :metal
(https://i.imgflip.com/7iwdrl.jpg)
:rollin
Actually I think we're at 4 now...Arrich and Cram are as well, Cram even went to see them live. King is a casual as well.
Of course I jest :lol
I watched the link and they sure can play! Not sure they're my cup of tea but they definitely line up with some stuff I like.
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That's real? No 'shop? If so that is AWESOME. That is beyond cool.
It's real, was in line for eight hours for that spot. The Jmetal Fandom are quite intense when it comes to waiting in line, Band Maid fans will start before dawn.
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I need to check them out.
Let me help ya out... https://youtu.be/19VQ9tkWksQ (https://youtu.be/19VQ9tkWksQ)
WHAT. THE. FUCK?! That blew me away!!!! You just recruited a new fan. They have amazing stage presence! That guitarist with the black shirt totally shreds. :metal :metal :metal
(https://i.imgflip.com/7iwdrl.jpg)
:rollin
Actually I think we're at 4 now...Arrich and Cram are as well, Cram even went to see them live. King is a casual as well.
Of course I jest :lol
I watched the link and they sure can play! Not sure they're my cup of tea but they definitely line up with some stuff I like.
That’s great! They really do kick ass tho.
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I gave that first SRV album a listen the other night. Realized I knew several of the songs already. He’s definitely a great player. Any criticisms I’d have are more or less general complaints about the blues (too repetitive, standardized songs, etc.). But I can see why people would praise him.
Check out his cover of Hendrix's Little Wing. That song has everything great about his playing.
My thing about SRV is that I feel like I hear more of him coming through his hands on those strings than I hear of anyone else through THEIR hands on strings. Some of that is technique, but it's mostly just him.
When you hear, "That guy can make the guitar cry", I always think someone is talking about SRV.
Exhibit A: Lenny Live at the El Mocambo. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5sqJNFFwqc&list=PL8t7afGdo6TGfp-Vq4zgAECwFJILckMdH&index=11 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5sqJNFFwqc&list=PL8t7afGdo6TGfp-Vq4zgAECwFJILckMdH&index=11)
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18 (t) Mark Knopfler
Appeared on 7 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Dave_Manchester)
4 Top 10 Finishes
18 (t) Ritchie Blackmore
Appeared on 10 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Stadler)
3 Top 10 Finishes
Mark Knopfler - my rank 16, which kind of feels a bit low now mainly because I have just been listening to Alchemy (Dire Straits live album for those not familiar) and remember just how awesome Knopfler is. For those not familiar with him maybe check it out. Knopfler has a unique style and sound but his phrasing and way of building his solos and choice of bends is awesome. Just an absolute pleasure to listen to.
Richie Blackmore - just not really a Deep Purple fan so did not even consider Richie for my list.
Overall I am 3 out of 8 so far, which I guess isn't too bad.
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Finally off the mark, pardon the pun. No surprise to those who know me that Knopfler was my #1. And I agree with what someone wrote earlier: it's all about those first 4 Dire Straits albums. Not Brothers in Arms (which comes in 2nd to last on my DS album rankings). In songs like Sultans of Swing, Down To The Waterline, News, Once Upon A Time In The West, Tunnel of Love, Romeo and Juliet, Skateaway, Telegraph Road (my favourite song of all time), Private Investigations and It Never Rains, he recorded some of the finest and most tasteful guitar work ever composed, in my humble opinion. And of course not forgetting this beautiful melody from the Local Hero soundtrack (it takes a certain set of balls to end a roudy stadium concert with a gentle thing like this):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh2GFoDae8Y
Happy to see him make the list here, although his appearance this low down tells me that it's not looking good for his influences such as Hank Marvin or JJ Cale.
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The other fellas.
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The other fellas.
:D
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Mark Knopfler - my rank 16, which kind of feels a bit low now mainly because I have just been listening to Alchemy (Dire Straits live album for those not familiar) and remember just how awesome Knopfler is. For those not familiar with him maybe check it out. Knopfler has a unique style and sound but his phrasing and way of building his solos and choice of bends is awesome. Just an absolute pleasure to listen to.
Amen brother. That lengthy improv section during Once Upon A Time In The West is wonderful*, as is the extended outro solo on Tunnel of Love.
It'll never happen because Mark wants nothing whatsoever to do with Dire Straits ever again, but one of my holy grail releases would be the full version of that 'Love Over Gold Tour' setlist. Songs like Portobello Belle, Industrial Disease and Twisting By The Pool were cut from the album release.
*in case you don't know, the music that plays at the start of the album as an introduction to Once Upon A Time In the West is a version of the song Stargazer from his Local Hero soundtrack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4qf0s_Ey3w
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Mark Knopfler would have made my list fairly high up. Just an amazing guitarist, who seems to know the perfect note to play all the time.
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I gave that first SRV album a listen the other night. Realized I knew several of the songs already. He’s definitely a great player. Any criticisms I’d have are more or less general complaints about the blues (too repetitive, standardized songs, etc.). But I can see why people would praise him.
Amazing aura on stage too. One of my favourite videos back in the day was Scuttle Buttin - Live In Tokyo (considered one of the more difficult/shreddy blues instrumentals of the day) - he plays it while casually looking around the crowd and smoking a pipe :lol
Of the others (Tipton/Matheos/Knopfler/Blackmore)...............I rate all of them . A couple probably would've just missed my Top 25 , just not sure which ones .
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I gave that first SRV album a listen the other night. Realized I knew several of the songs already. He’s definitely a great player. Any criticisms I’d have are more or less general complaints about the blues (too repetitive, standardized songs, etc.). But I can see why people would praise him.
Amazing aura on stage too. One of my favourite videos back in the day was Scuttle Buttin - Live In Tokyo (considered one of the more difficult/shreddy blues instrumentals of the day) - he plays it while casually looking around the crowd and smoking a pipe :lol
Of the others (Tipton/Matheos/Knopfler/Blackmore)...............I rate all of them . A couple probably would've just missed my Top 25 , just not sure which ones .
I'll check that out tonight.
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I gave that first SRV album a listen the other night. Realized I knew several of the songs already. He’s definitely a great player. Any criticisms I’d have are more or less general complaints about the blues (too repetitive, standardized songs, etc.). But I can see why people would praise him.
Amazing aura on stage too. One of my favourite videos back in the day was Scuttle Buttin - Live In Tokyo (considered one of the more difficult/shreddy blues instrumentals of the day) - he plays it while casually looking around the crowd and smoking a pipe :lol
Of the others (Tipton/Matheos/Knopfler/Blackmore)...............I rate all of them . A couple probably would've just missed my Top 25 , just not sure which ones .
I'll check that out tonight.
Pretty cool. The bass player is killing it too.
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My running list reveal: 2/8
21. Dave Mustaine
5. SRV
Considered: Knopfler, Matheos
Didn't considered: Blackmore, Tipton, M. Shenker, DeGarmo
The Main Axe Tracker
Fender 17 pts
Hamer 6 pts
PRS 5 pts
Jackson 4 pts
Gibson 3 pts
ESP 2 pts
Knopfler was a flip of the coin decision between Fender and Gibson. Fender got the edge here due to his custom shop signature model. +16 points for Leo Fender today!
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Three guitarists will be featured tomorrow, so get ready.
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Three guitarists will be featured tomorrow, so get ready.
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Oh yeah! Do five!!!!
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Kade...........................wrong Malmsteen gif :biggrin:
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Friday fun means three today!
17 Slash
Appeared on 9 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (DTwwbwMP)
6 Top 10 Finishes
I was a tad surprised he did this well, given how little Guns N' Roses is talked around here, but he is certainly a good guitarist. I didn't rank him, but I get why some did.
16 Dave Murray
Appeared on 9 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 6 (The Realm, Mladen)
5 Top 10 Finishes
As still a relatively "new" Maiden fan, I am pretty fuzzy on which guitarist plays what in the band. They all seem good, so any of them getting votes didn't surprise me at all. I didn't rank any of them.
15 Steve Howe
Appeared on 9 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Skeever)
6 Top 10 Finishes
Now we're talking! I ranked Howe 10th, and considering how poorly prog rock guitarists did (mostly) across the board in this endeavor, I was pleasantly surprised that he got enough support from others to rank this high. His work with Yes has always been phenomenal, and I am really high on his solo album, Turbulence, as well as his early work with Asia.
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Surprised to see Slash. Good guitar player for sure, and 10 years ago he probably would've made my list, but he didn't even crossed my mind. The other two did not rank for me.
25. Ritchie Blackmore
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0/3 this time around. 3/11 total.
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Finally.... Had Howe at #2... For me, he's an absolute legend and unparalleled in his ability to freestyle on stage. Some of his 70s videos, especially those during the Yessongs tour, are simply mind blowing. If I made a list based on my perception of skills alone, he'd be #1 easily.
Respect for the other two, but they didn't cross my mind tbh. I will say, with Howe finishing where he did, I have little hope for my two Neo-prog guitar idols even gracing the list
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I had Howe at 18.
Never even considered the other two, yet I kinda see why others did.
25 Stevie Ray Vaughan
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17 Glenn Tipton
16 Mark Knopfler
15 Ritchie Blackmore
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Another 0-for for me. A little worried because this is about where I’d expect some of my top guys to land, but not giving up yet.
There was a time when I might have considered Slash for this list, but it’s been a long time since I’ve had any interest in GNR, and songs like Sweet Child of Mine have sort of work out their welcome with me. But November Rain is still great, and Slash probably deserves consideration just for that one.
Got nothing on Dave Murray. Steve Howe I kind of actively dislike his playing, even though I like Yes.
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God dammit. Went all the way back to like page 8 to find my list cause I was confident Slash had made it. But then I went to see and nope! Though I'd definitely switch out Slash with my number 25.
Ah well. Guess another 0 for me.
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Kade...........................wrong Malmsteen gif :biggrin:
What Malmsteen gif? :) :) :) : ) :)
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Kade...........................wrong Malmsteen gif :biggrin:
What Malmsteen gif? :) :) :) : ) :)
Bit of a joke amongst a few of us about this one
(https://i.imgur.com/dOrP52N.gif)
This is pretty awesome too :)
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FWIW none of the most recent guitarists listed would've made my 25
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Slash, had him at #17. Another player with a distinctive style. And playing while having his hair in front of his eyes is no small feat. :D
Dave Murray, not rated. I'm not really sure who plays what in Maiden, so he and Smith are on the same level for me. Both would have made a top 50 probably.
Steve Howe, not reated. I'm so torn about him. He has some absolute classic lines in the early Yes records but he has an equal amount, where I can't stand his playing and it outright annoys me. Stay in time, stay in tune and stop noodling over everything, for christ's sake.
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Howe is like a God to me. I had him at #4. There's no way I'll ever get tired of his sound. :heart
Murray, obviously, was an easy choice for me as well, given that he is a member of my favorite band. As far as which guitarist plays which solo and stuff, Maiden fans are obsessed about this. Hardcore fans can basically tell whose solo it is within the first two seconds. I'm too lazy to go into detail, though, but yeah, people can tell.
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25. Steve Howe
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18. Stevie Ray Vaughan
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6. Michael Schenker
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1. Ritchie Blackmore
29. Mark Knopfler
30. Saul "Slash" Hudson
47. Glenn Tipton
NR: Chris DeGarmo
NR: Jim Matheos
NR: Dave Mustaine
By rights, I should have had Steve Howe higher; he's the player on my favorite album of all time, and that mid-70s run of Yes albums is a guitar master class. I think he hasn't maintained that level in the recent years of Yes, and that's a good part of why he's at 25 on my list. I love Asia, and his work in that band, but his version of Yes now is a pale comparison of what he's capable of.
Dave Murray is my guy in Maiden. My first guitar was actually a Squire Strat that was sort of like his Black Strat (I didn't get a Blackmore Strat because my friend did first, haha! Kids!). I just love his tone and I love his input into the Maiden sound. Adrian was great for the band, and Killers was a turning point in the band, but in my opinion that was only because it freed Murray up to be "Dave Murray" (prior to Smith joining, he carried an inordinate amount of the guitar load and in fact at times was the only guitar player).
Slash just got pushed out by numbers. I love Slash, and the current band with Myles is my favorite work by both guys. Having said that, his tone on songs like Estranged is just world class.
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Kade...........................wrong Malmsteen gif :biggrin:
What Malmsteen gif? :) :) :) : ) :)
Bit of a joke amongst a few of us about this one
(https://i.imgur.com/dOrP52N.gif)
This is pretty awesome too :)
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FWIW none of the most recent guitarists listed would've made my 25
Nah, I got it, I was making a boob joke. :)
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0-3 for me.
Howe just missed the Top 25 for me. The other two weren't even considered. I didn't even recognize Dave Murray's name.
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Slash might've made the back half of my list. He's not exactly expansive in what he does, but he does the blues/hard rock thing so well. To borrow from Podaar, I wouldn't have ranked Steve Howe in my list but I certainly see why others did. I love me some Maiden but I don't have any idea who wrote or played what so I wouldn't have been able to rank any of them.
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1/10 for me.
Slash just missed the cut on my list. He is probably one of the coolest guitar players to walk the earth but I wanted a bit more from him technique wise to have him move up.
Not really familiar with Dave and Steve wasn't a contender.
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Don't much care for Howe. Love his music, and some of his playing is wonderful, but overall I find him to be sloppy and a real asshole.
Slash might have actually made my list. I hate GNR a great deal, but there's no denying the man can play. He has sort of an effortless, meandering quality to his playing. Driving home late one night I heard a live version of one of their songs, and rather than immediately turning it off I listened to him play for nearly ten minutes. It seemed largely improvised, and yet very melodic, which is a rare combination.
I like Davey's playing more than AS's, and because AS gets all of the love I probably would have include him on my list.
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Hey, finally got one (Slash), but ouch 1/11
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Uuuffffffhh, another 3 that came no where near my list. Still only got one on the list so far :loser:
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Don't much care for Howe. Love his music, and some of his playing is wonderful, but overall I find him to be sloppy and a real asshole.
Slash might have actually made my list. I hate GNR a great deal, but there's no denying the man can play. He has sort of an effortless, meandering quality to his playing. Driving home late one night I heard a live version of one of their songs, and rather than immediately turning it off I listened to him play for nearly ten minutes. It seemed largely improvised, and yet very melodic, which is a rare combination.
I like Davey's playing more than AS's, and because AS gets all of the love I probably would have include him on my list.
Funny because that's what I love most about him too. When I saw Slash/Myles on the World On Fire tour, he basically played for two hours straight, noodling in between songs and what not, but none of it ever felt gratuitous or out of place, and it always sort of had a melody to it you could follow.
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Dave Murray made my list, #24. Looking back that’s kinda strange, as I’m not that big of a Maiden fan. Steve Howe was somewhere in the 30s, and that’s even stranger because I’m a bigger Yes fan than Maiden fan.
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GTR vs GNR
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17 Slash
Appeared on 9 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (DTwwbwMP)
6 Top 10 Finishes
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16 Dave Murray
Appeared on 9 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 6 (The Realm, Mladen)
5 Top 10 Finishes
As still a relatively "new" Maiden fan, I am pretty fuzzy on which guitarist plays what in the band. They all seem good, so any of them getting votes didn't surprise me at all. I didn't rank any of them.
15 Steve Howe
Appeared on 9 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Skeever)
6 Top 10 Finishes
Now we're talking! I ranked Howe 10th, and considering how poorly prog rock guitarists did (mostly) across the board in this endeavor, I was pleasantly surprised that he got enough support from others to rank this high. His work with Yes has always been phenomenal, and I am really high on his solo album, Turbulence, as well as his early work with Asia.
Surprised to see the highlighted!
Saul Hudson is a guy whom I didn't consider - primarily because he is/was in a band with a singer who ruined pretty much every song they played. I've heard he's reasonably well regarded, but I've not heard anything that really impressed me, and I'm not willing to listen to the song's more closely. I sort of met the guy once. My old firm represented him when he and Mr. Rose were suing each other. One day I was riding the elevator in our building, and it stopped and the door opened and there stood Mr. Hudson. I immediately recognized him, but I don't think I reacted. I got off the elevator and he got on, and that was that. Just another day at the office.
I'm a little surprised Steve Howe isn't higher. I had him at #5. He was such an incredible player of all things stringed. His work on Yours Is No Disgrace was one of the first time guitarist truly impressed me. Shifting styles. Freakin' Turn of the Century. There wasn't anything he couldn't do. And yes, I used the past tense intentionally.
Dave Murray. When Glenn Tipton was revealed, there wasn't much (any?) mention of KK Downing, but it's really hard to talk about Tipton without also talking about Downing, and it's hard to talk about Murray without also talking about Adrian Smith. I think (but am not sure) that Smith is the more highly regarded of the two. Oddly, now that I look back on my list, I ranked Smith higher (perhaps because he's a more prolific songwriter), but I generally regard Murray as my favorite. I generally do not know who's doing what between Tipton/Downing and Murray/Smith, except for what I've seen in music videos and live videos (so Mladen's comment made me chuckle). I used to have a "mix tape" that I called "The Solos," and it was a bunch of songs that had guitar solos I really loved. Both The Trooper and Sun and Steel were on the tape because of Dave Murray solos. I think for some reason I always thought Murray looked cooler. Anyway, I had Murray at #10.
7/11 so far.
25. Michael Schenker
24. [probably won't make the list]
23. [almost certainly won't make the list]
22. [no chance in hell he'll make the list]
21. [maybe?]
20. [almost certainly won't make the list]
19. [maybe?]
18. [not a chance]
17. [better than maybe]
16. [probably not]
15. [almost certainly will]
14. [almost certainly won't]
13. [no way]
12. Ritchie Blackmore
11. [no way]
10. Dave Murray
9. Glenn Tipton
8. [REALLY should but probably won't]
7. [thinkin' yes]
6. Chris DeGarmo
5. Steve Howe
4. [not happening]
3. [stone cold lock]
2. Jim Matheos
1. [if he doesn't, I'm revolting]
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I was kind of surprised at that prog guitar comment as well. Though the more I think about it, the more it makes sense; I'm a PROG GUY, for sure, but the bands I like most - ELP, Genesis - aren't known for their guitar (Steve Hackett wasn't within 15 miles of my list) and there are a LOT of prog bands that I just don't like - Flower Kinds, Gentle Giant, etc. I don't like Steven Wilson.
I think it depends on how you define "prog": Is Petrooch a "prog" guitar player? Alex Lifeson? Gilmour? Maybe, maybe not. I think I only have three guys that are 100%, no questions asked, unequivocally a "prog guitar player" on my list.
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Thinking about the top 14...
I think I know 8 for sure, but not really sure beyond that. I'm sure there are a couple I'm not thinking of who are obvious.
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Thinking about the top 14...
I think I know 8 for sure, but not really sure beyond that. I'm sure there are a couple I'm not thinking of who are obvious.
Respect, bro, for your confidence, but after the first 15, I can guess only two - maybe three - out of the top 14. I would SUSPECT they would be in the top five, but after learning to live with the subdivisions of this forum, I have arrived at a deep peace with how out of touch I am with the rest of the people here musically. :) :) :) :) :) :)
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I was kind of surprised at that prog guitar comment as well. Though the more I think about it, the more it makes sense; I'm a PROG GUY, for sure, but the bands I like most - ELP, Genesis - aren't known for their guitar (Steve Hackett wasn't within 15 miles of my list) and there are a LOT of prog bands that I just don't like - Flower Kinds, Gentle Giant, etc. I don't like Steven Wilson.
I think it depends on how you define "prog": Is Petrooch a "prog" guitar player? Alex Lifeson? Gilmour? Maybe, maybe not. I think I only have three guys that are 100%, no questions asked, unequivocally a "prog guitar player" on my list.
I would characterize 10-11 of my top 15 as prog guys, so this is a little disappointing, though a couple of them Kev might not be labeling prog (hopefully).
Also, I have Hackett pretty high on my list, but as much or more for his solo stuff as for his work in Genesis, which was great but somewhat overshadowed by the bigger musical personalities in the band.
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*snip*
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Three guitarists will be featured tomorrow, so get ready.
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Oh yeah! Do five!!!!
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Bump. Lol.
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Are you kidding me? Still 0/11
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Are you kidding me? Still 0/11
That's awesome actually. Everyone's tastes are so varied. I would love to see your list.
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Seems prog and classic rock are trying to strike back a bit but still getting their asses handed to them by metal.
Ritchie Blackmore and Mark Knopfler were my n. 23 and 12. Both instantly recognizable players, a lot of iconic guitar parts.
I didn't rank Slash although I like him.
I had Dave Murray at 16. The first moment I heard IM, I remember thinking - "This is how twin electric guitars should be used in a band".
Steve Howe. 3 Now we are indeed talking. One of the most versatile, creative, recognizable, skilled a crazy players around. A bit sloppy at times, but unlike so may others, he doesn't hide behind legato too much. I'll always remember those long frustrating hours when I was trying to learn The Clap...And Turn of the Century - for more than 15 years, this has been my go to song when trying a new guitar or new set of strings (store clerks seem to like it better than Stairway to Heaven).
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1/11.
Matheos - Heard a bit of his work in FW, Gordian Knot, OSI, Arch/Matheos and such, but with nowhere near enough familiarity to consider him.
Tipton - had a pretty big Priest phase earlier in my musical journey, and he was definitely the standout of the two for me, but they just aren't a significant enough part of my listening in more recent years to have him high enough.
Knopfler - I'm not crazy about his voice, so I've never really looked into Dire Straits beyond familiarity with a few singles, but he's done some great guest work with other artists.
Blackmore - Deep Purple is one of the more compelling bands of their era, and Rainbow introduced a lot of ideas that metal wouldn't really capitalize on for another decade or more, but I still don't have nearly the time invested with his work to think about him for this kind of list.
Slash - finally someone on my list! I don't care for Axl, but I've always loved Slash's playing, which is why I'm glad he branched out with his solo work (the second Snakepit album with Rod Jackson is particularly great, absolutely fantastic tone, riffs and solos there) and collaboration with Myles.
Murray - was slightly less of a Maiden fan than a Priest one in my formative years, and they seemed like even more of a team effort than Priest, so neither was really in consideration for me.
Howe - glad I saw them with with the classic lineup a couple decades ago. Great player, particularly on acoustic, though his electric tone was generally too brittle for me.
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Glad to see my guy Steve Howe rank pretty decently. I have 2-3 more prog guys on my list who I suspect should be in the top 10, if not 5.
As for Maiden. I've been listening to them for a long time, and figured the only way I could justify them as LEGENDARY, rather than just, "really solid", guitar players, is if I could have had them both (Murray and Smith). As a guitar player myself, Maiden have often inspired me, but never because of one guy in particular. As individual guitar playing entities, I just didn't feel that strongly about either of them.
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Kade...........................wrong Malmsteen gif :biggrin:
What Malmsteen gif? :) :) :) : ) :)
Bit of a joke amongst a few of us about this one
(https://i.imgur.com/dOrP52N.gif)
This is pretty awesome too :)
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/KnuSIbcLf5goWKUjhP/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b9521779bd93056027991f312099dccb83382688e831&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
FWIW none of the most recent guitarists listed would've made my 25
:lol :metal Tim knocked it out of the park with that one, love it.
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Catching up after being offline a couple days.
Rank Guitarist Not Ranked
25 Brian May Stevie Ray Vaughan
24 Tony MacAlpine
23 Tom Sholz Michael Schenker
22 Jake E. Lee Dave Mustaine
21 Warren DeMartini
20 Alex Skolnick Glenn Tipton
19 George Lynch
18 Yngwie Malmsteen Mark Knopfler, Ritchie Blackmore
17 Jimi Hendrix Slash
16 Michael Romeo Dave Murray
15 Dimebag Darrell Steve Howe
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13 Jim Matheos
12 Chris DeGarmo
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My man, you’re spotlighting guitar players that might make an appearance later on. Kinda against Kev’s rules.
Of these most recent 3 I just had Dave Murray. Totally whiffed on Slash, I would include him if there was a do-over. For those folks who only have 0-fers so far, I’m very intrigued to find out who actually made your lists. I’m hoping it’s not a bunch of folk guys who just play the same boring overused chord progressions over and over.
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Dave Murray. When Glenn Tipton was revealed, there wasn't much (any?) mention of KK Downing, but it's really hard to talk about Tipton without also talking about Downing, and it's hard to talk about Murray without also talking about Adrian Smith. I think (but am not sure) that Smith is the more highly regarded of the two. Oddly, now that I look back on my list, I ranked Smith higher (perhaps because he's a more prolific songwriter), but I generally regard Murray as my favorite. I generally do not know who's doing what between Tipton/Downing and Murray/Smith, except for what I've seen in music videos and live videos (so Mladen's comment made me chuckle). I used to have a "mix tape" that I called "The Solos," and it was a bunch of songs that had guitar solos I really loved. Both The Trooper and Sun and Steel were on the tape because of Dave Murray solos. I think for some reason I always thought Murray looked cooler. Anyway, I had Murray at #10.
Nah, Murray and Smith sit around the same caliber. Smith slightly more technical and advanced than Dave, but Tipton and Downing don't even come close to the same league. Great guitar duo, but Tipton is so far advanced it's not funny.
I had Dave Murray at 12. One of the first real lead guitarists I fell in love with.
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Made it myself. ;D
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Made it myself. ;D
And that aspect makes it more impressive yet again. :biggrin:
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People often get confused what the pejorative "butt rock" refers to is, and this doesn't help. :lol
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17 Slash
Appeared on 9 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (DTwwbwMP)
6 Top 10 Finishes
16 Dave Murray
Appeared on 9 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 6 (The Realm, Mladen)
5 Top 10 Finishes
15 Steve Howe
Appeared on 9 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Skeever)
6 Top 10 Finishes
Slash - really surprised to see Slash make it, I had actually crossed him off on my list as not making it. I love Slash, and GnR were a huge band for me 'back in the day' - I can still remember buying Appetite for Destruction on cassette on the day of release in 1987 and devouring it for about 6 months straight. I just love that album. I ranked Slash 10.
Dave Murray - Iron Maiden are my favourite band and of course Dave is a big part of this. I am one of those people who can easily tell who plays what in Maiden as once you understand the slight differences in style it isn't at all hard. Dave's playing is very legato and has a more spontaneous feel and he does love to to use the neck pick up for a warmer tone. Like all members of Maiden he is one of my music idols. Happy to be the high ranker and well done to Mladen.
Steve Howe - not considered.
5 of 11 overall.
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When it rains it pours! Another one made my list today, Slash this time. Good sense of melody and always seems to play exactly what the song requires. His solos take the song logically from one place to the next, rather than just being a flurry of notes plonked down into the middle of a tune and having the effect of an interruption (*glowers in Systematic Chaos' direction*). He came in at #7 on my list. And by the way his autobiography is one of the top 3 rock biographies I've read.
As for the other 2, I like Iron Maiden a lot but not enough to know who's playing which guitar part. And Steve Howe had some amazing moments (the 'Soon' section of Gates of Delirium is gorgeous) and was on my shortlist but ultimately he just missed the cut. Them's the breaks, Steve.
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1. Mark Knopfler
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I think Slash's solo at the end of November Rain could have been one of the best ever had Rose kept his mouth shut and not wailed like a dying cat over the bulk of it. Still a damn good song, and Rose sings the rest of the song just fine, but he needed to get the hell out of the way for that ending.
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I think Slash's solo at the end of November Rain could have been one of the best ever had Rose kept his mouth shut and not wailed like a dying cat over the bulk of it. Still a damn good song, and Rose sings the rest of the song just fine, but he needed to get the hell out of the way for that ending.
Slash wasn't happy with a lot of the things Axel added.
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25. Michael Schenker
24. [probably won't make the list]
23. [almost certainly won't make the list]
22. [no chance in hell he'll make the list]
21. [maybe?]
20. [almost certainly won't make the list]
19. [maybe?]
18. [not a chance]
17. [better than maybe]
16. [probably not]
15. [almost certainly will]
14. [almost certainly won't]
13. [no way]
12. Ritchie Blackmore
11. [no way]
10. Dave Murray
9. Glenn Tipton
8. [REALLY should but probably won't]
7. [thinkin' yes]
6. Chris DeGarmo
5. Steve Howe
4. [not happening]
3. [stone cold lock]
2. Jim Matheos
1. [if he doesn't, I'm revolting]
This is hilarious, totally doing it...
25. [nope]
24. [skilled, but probably not]
23. [only nominee to have a Super Bowl ring, won't make the list]
22. [youngest nominee, probably of all the people at 20, but won't be listed]
21. [I'll be shocked if he isn't there]
20. [97% sure he'll be there]
19. [most kuwaii nominee, won't make the list]
18. [nope, even though I listen to his solo work a few times a day at least]
17. [should make it]
16. [definitely in the best ever discussion, doubt he'll make the list though]
15. [same as 16, will definitely make the final list]
14. [48% chance, definitely worthy though]
13. [basically invented heavy metal, won't be on the list]
12. [second best song writer on my list, and a brilliant soloist, she won't be listed]
11. [I'll be fucking crushed if he doesn't make the final list]
10. [most brutal player I nominated, won't be on the final list]
9. [if everyone heard her work, she'd make the finals]
8. [stone cold lock for the top 5]
7. [probably top 5, definitely 10]
6. [I'm on the fence, will get a few nominations, but they'll all be top ten at least, may make the list[
5. [tragically won't make the list]
4. [if King and Jingle did this, he might have had a chance]
3. [lock]
2. Steve Howe
1. [I'll put him at 42% to make the final list]
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13. [basically invented heavy metal, won't be on the list]
If this is who I think you're referring to then I'm fairly confident he'll make the list, especially on this forum.
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13. [basically invented heavy metal, won't be on the list]
If this is who I think you're referring to then I'm fairly confident he'll make the list, especially on this forum.
We'll see.... :corn
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Catching up after being offline a couple days.
Rank Guitarist Not Ranked
25 Brian May Stevie Ray Vaughan
24 Tony MacAlpine
23 Tom Sholz Michael Schenker
22 Jake E. Lee Dave Mustaine
21 Warren DeMartini
20 Alex Skolnick Glenn Tipton
19 George Lynch
18 Yngwie Malmsteen Mark Knopfler, Ritchie Blackmore
17 Jimi Hendrix Slash
16 Michael Romeo Dave Murray
15 Dimebag Darrell Steve Howe
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13 Jim Matheos
12 Chris DeGarmo
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My man, you’re spotlighting guitar players that might make an appearance later on. Kinda against Kev’s rules.
Of these most recent 3 I just had Dave Murray. Totally whiffed on Slash, I would include him if there was a do-over. For those folks who only have 0-fers so far, I’m very intrigued to find out who actually made your lists. I’m hoping it’s not a bunch of folk guys who just play the same boring overused chord progressions over and over.
Did Kev "kinda" state that in the OP? I didn't see it.
Kev, your call. If not ok, then I'll stop. I didn't think it was a big deal if I show my list of ranks after the forum rankings have already been revealed. :dunno:
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Anyone can post whatever they want, but I generally prefer if guitarists not listed in the countdown yet are not mentioned when people post their lists as we move along. It is not a fast rule, but more of a courtesy request.
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People often get confused what the pejorative "butt rock" refers to is, and this doesn't help. :lol
Maybe that's where Paul Gilbert got the idea for his "Sweep picking with my ass" routine :lol
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Anyone can post whatever they want, but I generally prefer if guitarists not listed in the countdown yet are not mentioned when people post their lists as we move along. It is not a fast rule, but more of a courtesy request.
No problem, thanks.
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13. [basically invented heavy metal, won't be on the list]
If this is who I think you're referring to then I'm fairly confident he'll make the list, especially on this forum.
We'll see.... :corn
Yeah, lonestar I think this is a fun exercise and we probably all know on our own lists who we think won't make it. However, there are a number of guitarists who can't be ruled out yet and to be so definitive here that this person won't make it is a big call. We currently have guitarists making the top 25 who are only on 9 lists and there are a few old metal heads in this countdown. I had ruled out Slash on my list before todays reveal.
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When it rains it pours! Another one made my list today, Slash this time. Good sense of melody and always seems to play exactly what the song requires. His solos take the song logically from one place to the next, rather than just being a flurry of notes plonked down into the middle of a tune and having the effect of an interruption (*glowers in Systematic Chaos' direction*). He came in at #7 on my list. And by the way his autobiography is one of the top 3 rock biographies I've read.
As for the other 2, I like Iron Maiden a lot but not enough to know who's playing which guitar part. And Steve Howe had some amazing moments (the 'Soon' section of Gates of Delirium is gorgeous) and was on my shortlist but ultimately he just missed the cut. Them's the breaks, Steve.
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7. Slash
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1. Mark Knopfler
Totally agree with the bold. It is a great read.
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I enjoyed Slash's book as well, but Duff McKagan's first book was probably the best rock autobiography that I've read.
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13. [basically invented heavy metal, won't be on the list]
If this is who I think you're referring to then I'm fairly confident he'll make the list, especially on this forum.
We'll see.... :corn
Yeah, lonestar I think this is a fun exercise and we probably all know on our own lists who we think won't make it. However, there are a number of guitarists who can't be ruled out yet and to be so definitive here that this person won't make it is a big call. We currently have guitarists making the top 25 who are only on 9 lists and there are a few old metal heads in this countdown. I had ruled out Slash on my list before todays reveal.
I'd bet my next paycheck he won't make it. :lol
Also I'm pretty sure Dave and I are thinking of different people, but we'll see. Speculation is half the fun of this, right?
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13. [basically invented heavy metal, won't be on the list]
If this is who I think you're referring to then I'm fairly confident he'll make the list, especially on this forum.
We'll see.... :corn
Yeah, lonestar I think this is a fun exercise and we probably all know on our own lists who we think won't make it. However, there are a number of guitarists who can't be ruled out yet and to be so definitive here that this person won't make it is a big call. We currently have guitarists making the top 25 who are only on 9 lists and there are a few old metal heads in this countdown. I had ruled out Slash on my list before todays reveal.
I'd bet my next paycheck he won't make it. :lol
Also I'm pretty sure Dave and I are thinking of different people, but we'll see. Speculation is half the fun of this, right?
I know you have a few on your list that haven't been revealed yet that I would have ranked really high....had I submitted a list. I'd be surprised if none of them make it.
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My list so far..
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22. Dave Mustaine
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8. Dave Murray
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6. Richie Blackmore
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1. Michael Schenker
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13. [basically invented heavy metal, won't be on the list]
If this is who I think you're referring to then I'm fairly confident he'll make the list, especially on this forum.
We'll see.... :corn
Yeah, lonestar I think this is a fun exercise and we probably all know on our own lists who we think won't make it. However, there are a number of guitarists who can't be ruled out yet and to be so definitive here that this person won't make it is a big call. We currently have guitarists making the top 25 who are only on 9 lists and there are a few old metal heads in this countdown. I had ruled out Slash on my list before todays reveal.
I'd bet my next paycheck he won't make it. :lol
Also I'm pretty sure Dave and I are thinking of different people, but we'll see. Speculation is half the fun of this, right?
Really? OK...bu I would say though that only one guitarist is universally known as the guitarist who 'basically invented heavy metal'
But anyway, yes I love the speculation and trying to think about what is yet to be revealed in these countdown lists. They are tons of fun.
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I guess if distortion = metal, then, yeah, lonestar's number 13 could maybe have an argument for inventing metal if you really stretch the imagination, but, otherwise, no.
I mean, there are Beatles fans who actually think they invented metal with Helter Skelter, so I get that fans love to prop up their favorites. I do it as well, so I get it. :biggrin:
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I enjoyed Slash's book as well, but Duff McKagan's first book was probably the best rock autobiography that I've read.
Really? I'll have to check it out. I love autobiographies by musicians, any others you'd recommend?
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I enjoyed Slash's book as well, but Duff McKagan's first book was probably the best rock autobiography that I've read.
Really? I'll have to check it out. I love autobiographies by musicians, any others you'd recommend?
I'll have to think about it. Duff's first book is amazing though.
One pet peeve I have about most rock autobiographies is that they spend the first 250 pages on like the first five years of a band, and then 50 on the next 20 years.
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I guess if distortion = metal, then, yeah, lonestar's number 13 could maybe have an argument for inventing metal if you really stretch the imagination, but, otherwise, no.
I mean, there are Beatles fans who actually think they invented metal with Helter Skelter, so I get that fans love to prop up their favorites. I do it as well, so I get it. :biggrin:
OK cool so we really have a definition/description issue here and not so much a potentially famous guitarist issue. I hope lonestar doesn't have Chuck Berry as number 13 :) as I would strongly disagree with the definition used but if so then yeah, my guess is he aint making it.
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:lol
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13. [basically invented heavy metal, won't be on the list]
If this is who I think you're referring to then I'm fairly confident he'll make the list, especially on this forum.
We'll see.... :corn
Yeah, lonestar I think this is a fun exercise and we probably all know on our own lists who we think won't make it. However, there are a number of guitarists who can't be ruled out yet and to be so definitive here that this person won't make it is a big call. We currently have guitarists making the top 25 who are only on 9 lists and there are a few old metal heads in this countdown. I had ruled out Slash on my list before todays reveal.
I'd bet my next paycheck he won't make it. :lol
Also I'm pretty sure Dave and I are thinking of different people, but we'll see. Speculation is half the fun of this, right?
Really? OK...bu I would say though that only one guitarist is universally known as the guitarist who 'basically invented heavy metal'
But anyway, yes I love the speculation and trying to think about what is yet to be revealed in these countdown lists. They are tons of fun.
Who would you say it is? I think it could be a few actually.
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Two a day from now till we finish!
14 Jimi Hendrix
Appeared on 10 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 4 (Skeever, Metropolaris)
6 Top 10 Finishes
I can't say I have ever been much of a fan and he went unranked for me,, as he has never been someone I actively listen to, but I always enjoyed his songs on classic rock radio back in the day, and I fully acknowledge his greatness and influence. He is probably the most influential guitarist of the rock era.
13 Guthrie Govan
Appeared on 11 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (ReaperKK)
4 Top 10 Finishes
I loved his work on the Steven Wilson albums where he appeared, and his solo in Drive Home is an all-timer, but I didn't even consider him for my top 25. I just don't know enough of his work.
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I don't listen to any of Guthries albums but he's from another planet. Will often go down Rabbit holes on YouTube watching him. He technically could be the best guitarist out there, by far.
Never been a Jimi fan, bit can't deny his influence.
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I gave that first SRV album a listen the other night. Realized I knew several of the songs already. He’s definitely a great player. Any criticisms I’d have are more or less general complaints about the blues (too repetitive, standardized songs, etc.). But I can see why people would praise him.
Amazing aura on stage too. One of my favourite videos back in the day was Scuttle Buttin - Live In Tokyo (considered one of the more difficult/shreddy blues instrumentals of the day) - he plays it while casually looking around the crowd and smoking a pipe :lol
Of the others (Tipton/Matheos/Knopfler/Blackmore)...............I rate all of them . A couple probably would've just missed my Top 25 , just not sure which ones .
I'll check that out tonight.
Ah yes, I know this one, the one Steve Vai did a tribute to. Cool pipe, fucking tasty licks.
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0 for 2 today.
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Still only got one on the list!
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25 Stevie Ray Vaughan
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19
18 Steve Howe
17 Glenn Tipton
16 Mark Knopfler
15 Ritchie Blackmore
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9 Jimi Hendrix
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4 Guthrie Goven
3 Michael Schenker
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I've been consistently listening to Hendrix for more than 40 years, and loving it.
Guthrie, maybe the smoothest, coolest, most wildly talented human who's ever picked up a guitar. My lord, there is not a style, lick, or technique that he isn't a complete master of. Watch any Aristocrats concert on YT. He is effortlessly jaw dropping.
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Wow....2/2 today. I figured Jimi was a lock for the final list, and in my younger days listened to his work a lot. Not sure why I doubted Guthrie making it, was only thinking of Aristocrats since I saw them recently, didn't even consider his work with SW and that popularity here. The guy is definitely one of the most skilled and unique talents around. Also got to consider his solo work, and his work with Hans Zimmer...all those weird ass sounds in the Dune soundtrack, most of those are him. He's just on another world.
25. [nope]
24. [skilled, but probably not]
23. [only nominee to have a Super Bowl ring, won't make the list]
22. [youngest nominee, probably of all the people at 20, but won't be listed]
21. [I'll be shocked if he isn't there]
20. Jimi Hendrix [97% sure he'll be there]
19. [most kuwaii nominee, won't make the list]
18. [nope, even though I listen to his solo work a few times a day at least]
17. [should make it]
16. Guthrie Govan [definitely in the best ever discussion, doubt he'll make the list though]
15. [same as 16, will definitely make the final list]
14. [48% chance, definitely worthy though]
13. [basically invented heavy metal, won't be on the list]
12. [second best song writer on my list, and a brilliant soloist, she won't be listed]
11. [I'll be fucking crushed if he doesn't make the final list]
10. [most brutal player I nominated, won't be on the final list]
9. [if everyone heard her work, she'd make the finals]
8. [stone cold lock for the top 5]
7. [probably top 5, definitely 10]
6. [I'm on the fence, will get a few nominations, but they'll all be top ten at least, may make the list[
5. [tragically won't make the list]
4. [if King and Jingle did this, he might have had a chance]
3. [lock]
2. Steve Howe
1. [I'll put him at 42% to make the final list]
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I don't listen to any of Guthries albums but he's from another planet. Will often go down Rabbit holes on YouTube watching him. He technically could be the best guitarist out there, by far.
Never been a Jimi fan, bit can't deny his influence.
Pretty much ditto .............never got much into Hendrix until I started formal guitar studies - then I began to appreciate him more. But he's never been a big part of my musical life.
Guthrie is a technical monster and I bought the Erotic Cakes album direct from him back in the day (some sort of rarity now I gather) but yeah........I didn't find the songs memorable at the time and it was basically played a couple of times and put away.
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Another 0/2. Spooky.
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1/13 oooof :blush
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Woo another one for me:
Hendrix just missed my list, he is a good play with a ton of swagger who was an immeasurable inspiration to many of the guitar players that did make it on my list.
Guthrie is just the fucking best, flat out. From a purely technical perspective I've yet to see something that he can't play and while it's difficult to quantify the skills of the upper echelon of guitar players Guthrie still stands above the rest. There are some great videos out there with him playing with the likes of Tosin, Satch, Vai and is still on another level. Rick Beato has done a few videos about him if anyone is interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6ucIShHW7Q
If you want to really some crazy shit check this out: https://youtu.be/Htg_vzb9y5k
8. Mark Knopfler (#18)
1. Guthrie Govan (#13)
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Woo another one for me:
Hendrix just missed my list, he is a good play with a ton of swagger who was an immeasurable inspiration to many of the guitar players that did make it on my list.
Guthrie is just the fucking best, flat out. From a purely technical perspective I've yet to see something that he can't play and while it's difficult to quantify the skills of the upper echelon of guitar players Guthrie still stands above the rest. There are some great videos out there with him playing with the likes of Tosin, Satch, Vai and is still on another level. Rick Beato has done a few videos about him if anyone is interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6ucIShHW7Q
If you want to really some crazy shit check this out: https://youtu.be/Htg_vzb9y5k
8. Mark Knopfler (#18)
1. Guthrie Govan (#13)
He definitely is on another level...one of his Hans Zimmer bandmates, cellist Tina Guo, I follow on socials, and when recording Dune she said her scariest moment was when Hans said she had to mirror a piece done by Guthrie :lol
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4/13! Going pretty much as I expected I suppose.
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9. Jim Matheos
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5. Guthrie Govan
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3. Ritchie Blackmore
2. Mark Knopfler
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Guthrie Govan is just incredible. I don't have much to say but he's just outstanding on guitar.
Jimi Hendrix, he's very influential for sure, but I don't listen to his music at all, so he didn't make my list. Hell of a guitarist though.
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Woo another one for me:
Hendrix just missed my list, he is a good play with a ton of swagger who was an immeasurable inspiration to many of the guitar players that did make it on my list.
Guthrie is just the fucking best, flat out. From a purely technical perspective I've yet to see something that he can't play and while it's difficult to quantify the skills of the upper echelon of guitar players Guthrie still stands above the rest. There are some great videos out there with him playing with the likes of Tosin, Satch, Vai and is still on another level. Rick Beato has done a few videos about him if anyone is interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6ucIShHW7Q
If you want to really some crazy shit check this out: https://youtu.be/Htg_vzb9y5k
8. Mark Knopfler (#18)
1. Guthrie Govan (#13)
He definitely is on another level...one of his Hans Zimmer bandmates, cellist Tina Guo, I follow on socials, and when recording Dune she said her scariest moment was when Hans said she had to mirror a piece done by Guthrie :lol
I always think it's hilarious reading other peoples anecdotes about him. SW had a good story about him nailing the Drive Home solo first take and that's the one they kept.
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Holy shit, two I actually have on my list :lol
Guthrie Govan was my #19
Jimi Hendrix was my #5 and that shouldn’t come as a surprise based on earlier comments on him I made. Great, and influential player and my favourite ‘rock’ guitarist.
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Woo another one for me:
Hendrix just missed my list, he is a good play with a ton of swagger who was an immeasurable inspiration to many of the guitar players that did make it on my list.
Guthrie is just the fucking best, flat out. From a purely technical perspective I've yet to see something that he can't play and while it's difficult to quantify the skills of the upper echelon of guitar players Guthrie still stands above the rest. There are some great videos out there with him playing with the likes of Tosin, Satch, Vai and is still on another level. Rick Beato has done a few videos about him if anyone is interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6ucIShHW7Q
If you want to really some crazy shit check this out: https://youtu.be/Htg_vzb9y5k
8. Mark Knopfler (#18)
1. Guthrie Govan (#13)
He definitely is on another level...one of his Hans Zimmer bandmates, cellist Tina Guo, I follow on socials, and when recording Dune she said her scariest moment was when Hans said she had to mirror a piece done by Guthrie :lol
I always think it's hilarious reading other peoples anecdotes about him. SW had a good story about him nailing the Drive Home solo first take and that's the one they kept.
Quick search and I found the post...f'in hilarious...
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:lol, man now I wanna go see another Aristocrats show.
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:lol, man now I wanna go see another Aristocrats show.
Right? So damn fun...
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Hendrix is a legend, but I’ve never really liked his music. Govan I know of but I’ve never really listened to him (not even the SW stuff really).
It’s looking grim for any but the most obvious guys on my list.
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I'm not too familiar with Hendrix, but I do like Guthrie. I didn't consider him for the list, though.
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So now I’m 2/13
I think I will end at 6/25, which means 4 more from my list will make it.
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Guthrie was #19 for me, based "only" on his The Aristocrats and SW albums.
Hendrix I didn't rank, but also I think he totally deserves it. Timeless rock tunes and I guess he's the true father of heavy guitar.
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Hendrix: of course highly influential, but just not a favorite of mine.
Govan: Haven't heard much from him. What I heard was mostly good but nothing made me check him out further. Maybe sometime?
Both not ranked.
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Out of the 12 remaining, I got a firm five and a maybe 8. I can definitely figure out a few that'll make the final list that I didn't mention.
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My running list reveal: 3/13
22. Slash
21. Dave Mustaine
5. SRV
Considered: Hendrix, Murray, Knopfler, Matheos
Didn't considered: Govan, Howe, Blackmore, Tipton, M. Shenker, DeGarmo
The Main Axe Tracker
Fender 39 pts (+22 this update)
Gibson 23 pts (+20)
Charvel 13 pts
Hamer 6 pts
PRS 5 pts
Jackson 4 pts
ESP 2 pts
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I get why Hendrix is on the list but fuck me, I find him virtually unlistenable. I agree with those who say there's no such thing as shit music, just music we like and music we don't but Hendrix comes mightily close to that boundary for me. I simply cannot stand his music :biggrin:
Guthrie was on my list purely on the basis of the work he did on my favourite album of all time (Hand. Cannot. Erase. fact-fans).
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I get why Hendrix is on the list but fuck me, I find him virtually unlistenable.
:lol
I saw him listed this morning, and I can't believe this many people actually like him, or I wonder if there were some sort of duty to list him out of respect.
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I get why Hendrix is on the list but fuck me, I find him virtually unlistenable.
:lol
I saw him listed this morning, and I can't believe this many people actually like him, or I wonder if there were some sort of duty to list him out of respect.
What? The dude can play and he plays a righty guitar backwards. I love Axis:Bold As Love. He deserves respect because he's great. He would have made a top 30 for me.
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What? The dude can play and he plays a righty guitar backwards.
I don't mean to be obtuse but so what? That's his selling point? Why would that make him anyone's favourite guitarist as opposed to most technically worthy?
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I get why Hendrix is on the list but fuck me, I find him virtually unlistenable.
:lol
I saw him listed this morning, and I can't believe this many people actually like him, or I wonder if there were some sort of duty to list him out of respect.
What? The dude can play and he plays a righty guitar backwards. I love Axis:Bold As Love. He deserves respect because he's great. He would have made a top 30 for me.
I would understand if he made The 25 Most Respected Guitarists List or The 25 Most Influential Guitarists List. I'm just surprised that people around here actually count him as one of their personal favorites, that's all.
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Yup... *shrug*
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If Hendrix could be (or should be) among the top 25 of respected and the top 25 of influential guitar players, I think it's no surprise that enough people listen to him.
There are a lot of other guitarists, that made the list so far, that surprise me more.
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If Hendrix could be (or should be) among the top 25 of respected and the top 25 of influential guitar players, I think it's no surprise that enough people listen to him.
Yeah, that's fair.
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If you need somewhere to start out, Electric Ladyland is a fantastic record and I was not kidding when I mentioned that Jimi Hendrix (my #5 pick on the list) is my favourite rock guitar player. This is despite being influential or respected of whatever. I left out plenty of other influential guys.
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Only on a Dream Theater forum could Jimi Hendrix ending up on a favorite guitarists list get pushback. :lol :facepalm:
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14 Jimi Hendrix
Appeared on 10 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 4 (Skeever, Metropolaris)
6 Top 10 Finishes
13 Guthrie Govan
Appeared on 11 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (ReaperKK)
4 Top 10 Finishes
Jimi Hendrix - love Jimi. Of course he was very influential but I love his playing. My rank 17.
Guthrie Govan - ok, this is the first real big surprise name for me in the countdown. I did not consider Guthrie for my list, mainly because I don't really listen to enough of his music or follow him in any way.
I'm now at 6 out of 13.
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What? The dude can play and he plays a righty guitar backwards.
I don't mean to be obtuse but so what? That's his selling point? Why would that make him anyone's favourite guitarist as opposed to most technically worthy?
That is not what makes him one of my favourites. And what the hell does ‘technically worthy’ even mean?
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I don't listen to any of Guthries albums but he's from another planet. Will often go down Rabbit holes on YouTube watching him. He technically could be the best guitarist out there, by far.
Never been a Jimi fan, bit can't deny his influence.
Pretty much ditto .............never got much into Hendrix until I started formal guitar studies - then I began to appreciate him more. But he's never been a big part of my musical life.
Guthrie is a technical monster and I bought the Erotic Cakes album direct from him back in the day (some sort of rarity now I gather) but yeah........I didn't find the songs memorable at the time and it was basically played a couple of times and put away.
What was it specifically that made you appreciate him more mate?
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12. Dave Murray
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1. Glenn Tipton
Only two for me so far. :lol
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I've been on the Hendrix is overrated train for almost 2 decades now. I just dont hear it, and it's not for lack of trying. Hendrix is on the same boat as the Beatles for me, where I can appreciate what they did and their influence, but that's as far as it goes (Though I do listen to a handful of Beatles songs, where there are 0 Hendrix songs in my library). I know he was talented, but I think he benefits from the "Died too young" factor that tends to benefit certain musicians/artist's reputation. Don't kill me!
Govan almost made the list, and honestly on any given day he could jump to the top 20. For some reason he missed the cut, and I didn't think of rearranging the list just to include him.
25. Ritchie Blackmore
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21. Glen Tipton
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It's easy for us to say he's overrated, but I think you have to think about what he was doing at the time. No one had heard that before and I think if we were old enough to experience Hendrix in real time, we'd be blown away too.
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And that's what I mean when I said I can appreciate what he did, and how he changed the way we thought of guitar playing. He was innovative and creative, and influenced countless musicians that came after him. But whether he was influential or not says nothing about the quality of his music, which is where I struggle with him based on my taste.
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Once again its a taste thing. Jimi has some kick ass classic tunes. Little wing, purple haze, if 6 was 9, Hey Joe, Foxy lady..... I just dig what he does.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f5/74/20/f574207c04b76ce4da87fcb7ee573de4.jpg)
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What? The dude can play and he plays a righty guitar backwards.
I don't mean to be obtuse but so what? That's his selling point? Why would that make him anyone's favourite guitarist as opposed to most technically worthy?
Because its Jimi my man.
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.5246b04a0629b4a99a8aa77503725da3?rik=yQX%2b%2fJij5QlOaw&riu=http%3a%2f%2fcomicbookandbeyond.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2019%2f06%2fJimi-Hendrix-saying-696x476.jpg&ehk=MIuk0r4djI8EeO1chasEjCHRY1EAaaa10Gd9alxbk80%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)
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1/13. Am I now the most out of touch with DTF tastes? :biggrin:
I did have Hendrix and Govan on my extended honorable mentions list though. Hendrix was actually hugely important to me early on. One of my cousins is a guitarist and gave me a tape with some live selections from him, including what would take me many years to discover is from the Winterland show. "Fire" especially blew me away. His music in the 60s is just so far ahead of its time, either live or on record. I don't listen to him that often anymore, but I'll always have tremendous respect for his work for leading me down the path of music discovery and going further with guitar.
I don't like Govan quite as much as I'd like to, but he's done so much excellent work, and I suspect is directly responsible for the wave of instrumental rock/metal/fusion stuff I really got into mid-late last decade. While I grew up on the G3 scene, I burned out on it for quite a long time, but all those more recent players revitalized my interest in a more modernized version of that sound again.
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I get why Hendrix is on the list but fuck me, I find him virtually unlistenable.
:lol
I saw him listed this morning, and I can't believe this many people actually like him, or I wonder if there were some sort of duty to list him out of respect.
(https://imgpile.com/images/hkrNrP.jpg)
:neverusethis:
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One last Guthrie post and I'll stop fawning over him, if you like solo albums like Satch's or Vai's check out his solo album Erotic Cakes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBRl3eujoPs
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14 Jimi Hendrix
Appeared on 10 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 4 (Skeever, Metropolaris)
6 Top 10 Finishes
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13 Guthrie Govan
My first 0-fer. No surprise seeing Hendrix, but I've never enjoyed anything I've heard (and, in particular, I find his revered rendition of the National Anthem to be a steaming pile of poo.
Never heard of the other guy.
7/13 so far.
25. Michael Schenker
24. [probably won't make the list]
23. [almost certainly won't make the list]
22. [no chance in hell he'll make the list]
21. [maybe?]
20. [almost certainly won't make the list]
19. [maybe?]
18. [not a chance]
17. [better than maybe]
16. [probably not]
15. [almost certainly will]
14. [almost certainly won't]
13. [no way]
12. Ritchie Blackmore
11. [no way]
10. Dave Murray
9. Glenn Tipton
8. [REALLY should but probably won't]
7. [thinkin' yes]
6. Chris DeGarmo
5. Steve Howe
4. [not happening]
3. [stone cold lock]
2. Jim Matheos
1. [if he doesn't, I'm revolting]
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What? The dude can play and he plays a righty guitar backwards.
I don't mean to be obtuse but so what? That's his selling point? Why would that make him anyone's favourite guitarist as opposed to most technically worthy?
Let's talk about a guy who actually played a righty guitar backward: Dick Dale. Hendrix played a righty guitar upside down, but it was strung for a lefty player. Dale actually played a guitar strung for a righty (low E string on the bottom). THAT is a lot more impressive (to me) than what Hendrix did.
It's easy for us to say he's overrated, but I think you have to think about what he was doing at the time. No one had heard that before and I think if we were old enough to experience Hendrix in real time, we'd be blown away too.
This is unquestionably true for Hendrix. There was no one like him at the time.
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I'm still only at one on this list :loser: I'm only really confident 2 more on my list will show up.
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And that's what I mean when I said I can appreciate what he did, and how he changed the way we thought of guitar playing. He was innovative and creative, and influenced countless musicians that came after him. But whether he was influential or not says nothing about the quality of his music, which is where I struggle with him based on my taste.
I agree, but what my point is, is that the quality of his music back then would have been mindblowing. These days, not even close.
I've tried listening to his music too but I have no interest even being a guitarist and all.
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What? The dude can play and he plays a righty guitar backwards.
I don't mean to be obtuse but so what? That's his selling point? Why would that make him anyone's favourite guitarist as opposed to most technically worthy?
Let's talk about a guy who actually played a righty guitar backward: Dick Dale. Hendrix played a righty guitar upside down, but it was strung for a lefty player. Dale actually played a guitar strung for a righty (low E string on the bottom). THAT is a lot more impressive (to me) than what Hendrix did.
It's easy for us to say he's overrated, but I think you have to think about what he was doing at the time. No one had heard that before and I think if we were old enough to experience Hendrix in real time, we'd be blown away too.
This is unquestionably true for Hendrix. There was no one like him at the time.
Check out Thorsten Koehne;
https://youtu.be/BqEExCV9V2w
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Only on a Dream Theater forum could Jimi Hendrix ending up on a favorite guitarists list get pushback. :lol :facepalm:
Yeah. Baby Jesus wept.
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We move along...
12 Adrian Smith
Appeared on 11 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (Mladen)
6 Top 10 Finishes
As I mentioned before, none of the Maiden guitarists made me list, but I get why Smith and Murray both got enough votes to make it here. I still have no idea who plays what in Maiden. :lol
11 Brian May
Appeared on 14 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (DragonAttack)
5 Top 10 Finishes
I ranked May 5th, and I thought he had a great shot at being top 5, as he was on a lot of the early lists, but as the number grew, he started getting left off too many to even finish top 10. Bummer, but it is what it is. He has more iconic solos and riffs than we can shake a stick at.
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O for 2 today.
Didn't think of Smith. I rushed my list and forgot a few guitarists. Brian May should have been on mine, along with a couple others. I think he would have wound up in the middle teens of my list.
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Wow, I totally thought Brian May would rank higher.
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I got Brian May!
So that makes 3 :)
My list:
19. Guthrie Govan
16. Brian May
5. Jimi Hendrix
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Totally get both, but another day, another 0/2 :loser:
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Ooof.... I SEVERELY overlooked May in my own list. Dammit. He would have ranked very highly, but I just drew a blank.
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Had May...just not that massive a Maiden fan, but knew Smith would place
25. [nope]
24. [skilled, but probably not]
23. [only nominee to have a Super Bowl ring, won't make the list]
22. [youngest nominee, probably of all the people at 20, but won't be listed]
21. [I'll be shocked if he isn't there]
20. Jimi Hendrix [97% sure he'll be there]
19. [most kuwaii nominee, won't make the list]
18. [nope, even though I listen to his solo work a few times a day at least]
17. Brian May [should make it]
16. Guthrie Govan [definitely in the best ever discussion, doubt he'll make the list though]
15. [same as 16, will definitely make the final list]
14. [48% chance, definitely worthy though]
13. [basically invented heavy metal, won't be on the list]
12. [second best song writer on my list, and a brilliant soloist, she won't be listed]
11. [I'll be fucking crushed if he doesn't make the final list]
10. [most brutal player I nominated, won't be on the final list]
9. [if everyone heard her work, she'd make the finals]
8. [stone cold lock for the top 5]
7. [probably top 5, definitely 10]
6. [I'm on the fence, will get a few nominations, but they'll all be top ten at least, may make the list[
5. [tragically won't make the list]
4. [if King and Jingle did this, he might have had a chance]
3. [lock]
2. Steve Howe
1. [I'll put him at 42% to make the final list]
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Yeah, nope. :) Still 4/15.
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2. Mark Knopfler
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3/15 for me still. Barely know any of Adrian Smith's work and while I like Brian May and think he has some good stuff I don't think it's good enough for my last. While his tone is unique I think it's a little bit overrated.
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For the 'axe tracker', I guess Coz will need to insert: 'Old Fireplace 15 points' ;)
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12 Adrian Smith
Highest Finish: 2 (Mladen)
Nice! :tup
I think Brian May ended up at #26 or #27 on my list. He missed out, but I still obviously like him.
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Hendrix would have probably been in the top half of the list. Arguably the most influential guitar player in the history of rock music, and I do enjoy his albums.
Guthrie probably would have been borderline for me. I *love* his work on Hand. Cannot. Erase. and I always like The Aristocrats when I listen to them.
Adrian Smith, same as Dave Murray for me. I like Maiden but I don't know enough about the individual contributions.
Brian May- Not sure if he would have made my list. Obviously a titan of the instrument, but I've just never really gotten into Queen aside from the songs everyone knows.
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Can I assume there’ll be no more Iron Maiden guitarists listed? ;D
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Can I assume there’ll be no more Iron Maiden guitarists listed? ;D
Fingers crossed for Dennis Stratton ;D
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Can I assume there’ll be no more Iron Maiden guitarists listed? ;D
Fingers crossed for Dennis Stratton ;D
:lol
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Still hitless, and it this point I’m assuming I’ll just end up with 2 on the overall list.
It’s a shame Maiden is hogging two spots on the list! :P
Not a Queen fan either so didn’t consider May.
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Can I assume there’ll be no more Iron Maiden guitarists listed? ;D
Fingers crossed for Dennis Stratton ;D
In the top 10? Anything's possible here. I have 4 that should be locks for the top 10, I think....
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While I can appreciate both May and Smith, neither would have made my list.
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25. Brian May
24. Dave Murray
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25. ??
24. ??
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11. Stevie Ray Vaughan
10. ??
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8. Brian May
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Finally got another one! Brian May at 8. Again, just so much personality in his playing.
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I have Brian May at 23. Another guitar player with his own distinctive sound and style.
Adrian Smith I haven't ranked just as I didn't rank Dave Murray. But if I had chosen one of them, it would be Smith, because of his work on Bruce's solo records.
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My list : 4/15
22. Slash (#17)
21. Dave Mustaine (#22)
11. Adrian Smith (#12)
5. SRV (#25)
Considered: May, Hendrix, Murray, Knopfler, Matheos
Didn't considered: Govan, Howe, Blackmore, Tipton, M. Shenker, DeGarmo
The Main Axe Tracker
Fender 39 pts
Gibson 23 pts
Jackson 18 pts (+14)
Red Special / Old Lady / Fireplace 15pts
Charvel 13 pts
Hamer 6 pts
PRS 5 pts
ESP 2 pts
With multiple brands played prominently, players like Adrian are making me wonder why I decided to do this! He's rocked Ibanez, Gibsons, Fenders, Dean, Charvels, etc. throughout the years. All through different eras of the band that all can be argued to be the peak or classic period. I went with his current primary and the one he has an endorsement through, Jackson.
As for May, yup, no-brainer to go with the Fireplace. I did consider the Telecaster from DTwwbwMP's favorite...the Crazy Little Thing Called Love video!
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12 Adrian Smith
Appeared on 11 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (Mladen)
6 Top 10 Finishes
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11 Brian May
Appeared on 14 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (DragonAttack)
5 Top 10 Finishes
I could really just cut and paste what I wrote for Dave Murray. Maiden epitomized what a two guitar band should be. I had Smith at #7.
Brian May just missed my top 25, but I'm not surprised to see him here. Great player.
8/14 so far.
25. Michael Schenker
24. [probably won't make the list]
23. [almost certainly won't make the list]
22. [no chance in hell he'll make the list]
21. [maybe?]
20. [almost certainly won't make the list]
19. [maybe?]
18. [not a chance]
17. [better than maybe]
16. [probably not]
15. [almost certainly will]
14. [almost certainly won't]
13. [no way]
12. Ritchie Blackmore
11. [no way]
10. Dave Murray
9. Glenn Tipton
8. [REALLY should but probably won't]
7. Adrian Smith
6. Chris DeGarmo
5. Steve Howe
4. [not happening]
3. [stone cold lock]
2. Jim Matheos
1. [if he doesn't, I'm revolting]
I'm 95% positive about 6 of the top 10 (3 of whom are on my list), and another was suggested to me that I think (based on stuff I've read around here) is probably right. There are two others that I think have a pretty solid chance. It'll be interesting to see how it shakes out.
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My list so far..
25.
24. Brian May
23. Jannick Gers
22. Dave Mustaine
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8. Dave Murray
7. Adrian Smith
6. Richie Blackmore
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1. Michael Schenker
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12 Adrian Smith
Appeared on 11 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (Mladen)
6 Top 10 Finishes
11 Brian May
Appeared on 14 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (DragonAttack)
5 Top 10 Finishes
Adrian Smith - Awesome to see Adrian here. I would say that until the Somewhere in Time album came along Adrian and Dave were guitar god equals to me but that album put Adrian slightly ahead. I ranked him 5.
Brian May - Fully expected to see May in the countdown and overall thought he would be top 10 for sure even though I did not rank him on my own list. He has just never been a direct influence of mine.
7 out of 15 so far. Really hard to predict which way this countdown is going to go, l can only be certain 3, maybe 4 of the top 10....
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I had Adrian at number 3;
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3. Adrian Smith
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1. Glenn Tipton
While not the most technical or fastest guitarist out there, he is top 3 for creating memorable solos that stick out and make me want to play along with him. In lines with Tipton, not many guitarists have such creative and songs within songs type of solos like Adrian does. A few notable ones;
Stranger in a Strange Land - This has to be one of the purest examples of how to create a perfect solo. The way it starts out, the build up, the explosion and the crescendo. Everything about it is perfect. Pure E minor here but not a note out of place. I love once the band fully kicks in he doesn't try and match it with notes, yet he lets the band breathe around him with tasty licks. After that bend once everything does kick in that small pause is just too good.
Gates of Urizen - With Roy Z playing the first section this again is just perfect melodic guitar playing once Adrian begins his solo. Like Stranger, that first bend then the subtle pause is just brilliant. That section at 2:51 is absolutely majestic.
Man of Sorrows - Another one where H is just at his best. D minor this one and this one explodes out of the gates. I'm very fond of that first lick. 2:57 is brilliant. The octave climb before the finale is excellent too. Great ending too.
Darkest Hour - What a return from Adrian on this song. A little self indulgent at times but this is him at his finest. Those trills at 4:27 are so simple but so good. 4:36 with the whammy bar also again is so subtle but just so fantastic.
22 Acacia Avenue - Always thought this outro was golden and Adrian shows he's the master of building into and solo along with the song to finish things off with a bang. Lots of blues licks but everything is structured in place to the final crash. Underrated.
7th Son - Love what he does with his two solos. So tasty, everything here. The divebombed at the start, the blues and I think flattened 6th note in that lick at 8:04, so good. Then the high diminished run down followed by an evil sounding blues lick, then that tritone shape which jumps up every string is so good. underrated, creative solo that one. The second one is more conventional but that 8:35 lick takes it back into that evil territory. These two solos remind me of Tipton in ways. Adrian wasn't the most technical but this one alone shows he damn well knows his stuff to come up with these sorts of solos.
You know another that's pretty technical, Only the Good Die Young. I need to sit down with that one though, never done it. I mean 1:41, WTF?!
Other highlights include CSIT, Wasted Years, Jerusalem, Into the Black, Starblind (those verse ad libs are so fucking good), The Calling (first solo), New Horizons (double duel with Kai)
Wonderful guitar player.
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Other highlights include CSIT.
I agree with your assessments, esp. 7th Son. But CSIT is IT for me.
I'm not a guitar player, so I couldn't comment on the technical side of things. But, as a listener, it's the way he changes speeds to create more tension....as well as how at so many points you think the awesomeness must surely end, but he keeps it going and it never waivers....that is what makes it so special. It never sounds gratuitous.....it just has this wonderful flow and fits the song perfectly.
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Yeah nice. I'll make some comments on that one soon. Just caught up with something at work.
Shit, how could I forget Sea of Madness too?!
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Yeah nice. I'll make some comments on that one soon. Just caught up with something at work.
Shit, how could I forget Sea of Madness too?!
For me that whole album is a guitar playing tour de force. Some brilliant solos by both but as I said in my small write up above, Adrian goes to another level here.
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1/15.
Same reasoning with Smith as with Murray.
May is also on my extended honorables, and certainly every bit deserving here. I'm especially fond of the soloing in "I Want It All".
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Brian was my #5, so only him and Slash (#2) have made the list so far 2/15 with a lot of the picks not at all on my radar! Realistically at this point, I think only 3 more of my list will make the top 25!
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Yeah nice. I'll make some comments on that one soon. Just caught up with something at work.
Shit, how could I forget Sea of Madness too?!
For me that whole album is a guitar playing tour de force. Some brilliant solos by both but as I said in my small write up above, Adrian goes to another level here.
SIT is really Adrian's magnum opus. I do think collectively, his work on this one is pretty much the best he's done, but I think Chemical Wedding comes pretty close.
CSIT was one of the first more advanced solos I tried to tackle. I kept coming back to it for a long time but I can't argue with that solo being your fav from Adrian. It pretty much sums him up as a player really.
4:05 - We start off with a nice tasty bend followed by a run down the E minor scale with some pick attack.
4:10 - nice high note with the whammy bar and another really simple bluesy lick. His subtle use of the whammy bar is incredible. Love that slide down at 4:14.
4:15 - We go for a climb up the scale this time in perfect rhythm with some palm muting finishing on the D note I think.
4:21 - This time Adrian taps a pedal point G note I think with his pick while descending finishing with a similar lick to the one before. It's nice that the 4:15 section and the 4:21 section are different but follow a similar structure keeping things focused and tight and both ending in a super melodic fashion.
4:26 - Time to simplify things and go into a clear cut blues lick. ending the lick again Adrian uses that whammy so lightly but so good.
4:32 - This part is really creative. It's kind of a backwards 3 note per string climb with some palm muting but what I find really interesting, right before the end of that little section, he hits the F note outside the scale during one of those sections of three. it's really random and almost unnoticeable but really delicious. Then finishing with a melodic repeated pattern down the scale.
4:38 - Here's a chromatic fast pick tapped section across four notes followed by a Murray inspired divebomb.
4:43 - Here, we have another chromatic tapping section between an open B string, the 12th fret and Adrian starts on the third note of the sequence on the bflat for a few then chromatically going down the scale into another divebomb on the B string. Wow!!
Wonderful solo.
So, shout out to the outro of Sea of Madness. Bent notes while tapping a higher note while bent. The second time even sliding up a couple of notes while the string is bent then releasing. Genius!!
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Still hitless, and it this point I’m assuming I’ll just end up with 2 on the overall list.
It’s a shame Maiden is hogging two spots on the list! :P
Not a Queen fan either so didn’t consider May.
It’s a shame you don’t recognize how great they are :P
I had Smith but not May. May would definitely be on a larger list.
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You nailed it once again, Wolfking. :tup
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You nailed it once again, Wolfking. :tup
Yes great write ups. You could do the whole SiT album :)
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I just enjoy being able to count on Wolfking whenever I'm too lazy to do a write-up. ;D
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I know some might be like 'WTF is he on about again?' So just scroll on if you're not interested, I just love really listening and deciphering the solos and putting it into words. Pretty silly really but it's more of a self indulgence thing for myself.
I am glad some get a kick out of it though.
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My list so far.
25) No way. Chances of anyone else here even knowing who this guy is are slimmer than Justin Bieber making the Top 25
24) No way. Almost everyone here knows this guy but ranking his as a guitarist might make some of you question my sanity.
23) Ritchie Blackmore
22) Chris DeGarmo
21) No way.
20) No way
19) Brian May
18) Criss Oliva
17) Adrian Smith
16) Dave Murray
15) No way
14) I thought he had a chance to make it but at this point, I am dubious.
13) No way. He is not even good, just overated.
12) Mark Knopfler
11) No way.
10) No way. I'll just dare to guess I am not the only one to rank him.
9) No way. See 25. Had this guy been born in a different country, he might have been up there with the most revered prog guitarists of all time. The best of Gilmour and Howe mixed in one player.
8) No way
7) I would say a lock, but with the way this countdown is going, I mean metal kicking prog's old-fashioned and pompous ass, I am not sure.
6) Yes. The only certainty of this countdown is this player making Top 1.
5) No way.
4) No way.
3) Steve Howe
2) No way
1) No way.
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13) No way. He is not even good, just overated.
Yet this mystery shitto guitarist made it to number 13 on your list. :lol
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13) No way. He is not even good, just overated.
Yet this mystery shitto guitarist made it to number 13 on your list. :lol
Most intriguing comment so far. I really hope he makes it.
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13) No way. He is not even good, just overated.
Yet this mystery shitto guitarist made it to number 13 on your list. :lol
Someone has to do the hard work of overrating an artist so that others can get the joy of pointing it out...
More seriously though, the guitarist in question has been repeatedly called overrated here. I happen to like him, mostly for nostalgia reasons. But I'll readily agree that he is not all that good...
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Top 10 kicks off...
10 Randy Rhoads
Appeared on 10 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Glasser, The Realm)
7 Top 10 Finishes
If Hendrix gets the "he died too young" bump, then Rhoads gets it times 100. Good guitarist, but not one who received any consideration when trying to get down to 25.
09 Joe Satriani
Appeared on 15 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 3 (devieira73)
9 Top 10 Finishes
Great player, sure, and he has a few songs I dig, but just not enough good songs overall for me to give him anything more than a passing thought. Him finishing ahead of Brian May grosses me out. :lol
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One more on my list: Rhoads at #7.
25. Ritchie Blackmore
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7. Randy Rhoads
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Given how to ranking has been going, I think I have 2 more than will make the list. I doubt the rest will.
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Satriani just made my list
25. Joe Satriani
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8. Mark Knopfler
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1. Guthrie Govan
Satch was a big inspiration for me when I first started playing guitar but I slowly moved away from him.
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Him finishing ahead of Brian May grosses me out. :lol
Not me, I'd rank Satriani ahead of May everytime. In fact I did, at #13. Fantastic player with scores of fantastic songs.
Never considered Rhodes
25 Stevie Ray Vaughan
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18 Steve Howe
17 Glenn Tipton
16 Mark Knopfler
15 Ritchie Blackmore
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9 Jimi Hendrix
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4 Guthrie Goven
3 Michael Schenker
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I like Satriani and I enjoyed seeing his show years ago (Marco Minneman played the drums), but I didn't rank him. I'm not too familiar with Rhoads. Cool way to start off the top ten, though. :metal
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Both great players, both not considered for my list. The blast radius alone for Satch is enough to earn him a spot in any discussion though.
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These two are so obvious for DTF but did they make my list? Nope. Still say here with only Mustaine on my list :facepalm:
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0/2 today.
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Neither on my list, but Satriani was in the running. I appreciate his music more than love it these days, but there was certainly a time when I was into him.
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Rhoads made my list at 6. Really love the innovation and style he brought to his playing. Would have loved to see where he'd go if he lived.
Satch was never my thing.
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I know some might be like 'WTF is he on about again?' So just scroll on if you're not interested, I just love really listening and deciphering the solos and putting it into words. Pretty silly really but it's more of a self indulgence thing for myself.
I am glad some get a kick out of it though.
No, keep it up. I read every word. I don't really dive into Maiden "technically", it's more feel for me, so almost everything you write is a new take for me.
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5/17, Satch actually made my list.
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22. Joe Satriani
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9. Jim Matheos
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5. Guthrie Govan
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3. Ritchie Blackmore
2. Mark Knopfler
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25. Steve Howe
24. [Possible shot; should be, given the forum]
23. [Possible shot; should be, given the forum]
22. [Probably not at this point]
21. [No way in hell, and that's a shame]
20. [I think this might be Animal's No. 13; he blows, but I love him anyway]
19. [100% given]
18. Stevie Ray Vaughan
17. [Never in a million years. Very good, very tasteful, but not a genre this forum dips into much]
16. [Never in a million years. He replaced a guy that is on the list but criminally too low, so this guy has no shot]
15. [Should be but probably not; worthy, but doesn't get much respect for also replacing someone on this list]
14. [Should be, may be]
13. [Probably not; should get a lot more respect than he does, but I think this forum shits on him]
12. [97%; this is the guy that invented heavy metal, not Dave Davies. :)]
11. [Never in a million years; I think this forum will consider him a joke, sadly.]
10. [Belongs, but may not have enough legs even though he influenced this lists' likely no. 1]
9. [Never in a million years; way underrated, going to be jinxed by the music he plays, not how he plays it]
8. [100% chance; will probably be in the top three]
7. Dave Murray
6. Michael Schenker
5. Randy Rhoads
4. [Should be; he's the guitar player on what I know to be at least three people here's favorite record of all time]
3. [Should be a given]
2. [Should be a given, may be overlooked]
1. Ritchie Blackmore
26. Brian May
29. Mark Knopfler
30. Saul "Slash" Hudson
41. Jimi Hendrix
47. Glenn Tipton
NR: Chris DeGarmo
NR: Guthrie Goven
NR: Jim Matheos
NR: Dave Mustaine
NR: Joe Satriani
NR: Adrian Smith
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I'd bet Chad's next paycheck on what your #4 is.... (I think he's #5 on my list)
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Looking at my list again, I think there are still probably 3 left who will make it, but we’ll see.
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My list so far..
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24. Brian May
23. Jannick Gers
22. Dave Mustaine
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16. Randy Rhoads
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8. Dave Murray
7. Adrian Smith
6. Richie Blackmore
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1. Michael Schenker
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I did not have either of today’s guitarists on the list and wouldn’t even have considered them at all.
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SIT is really Adrian's magnum opus. I do think collectively, his work on this one is pretty much the best he's done, but I think Chemical Wedding comes pretty close.
CSIT was one of the first more advanced solos I tried to tackle. I kept coming back to it for a long time but I can't argue with that solo being your fav from Adrian. It pretty much sums him up as a player really.
4:05 - We start off with a nice tasty bend followed by a run down the E minor scale with some pick attack.
4:10 - nice high note with the whammy bar and another really simple bluesy lick. His subtle use of the whammy bar is incredible. Love that slide down at 4:14.
4:15 - We go for a climb up the scale this time in perfect rhythm with some palm muting finishing on the D note I think.
4:21 - This time Adrian taps a pedal point G note I think with his pick while descending finishing with a similar lick to the one before. It's nice that the 4:15 section and the 4:21 section are different but follow a similar structure keeping things focused and tight and both ending in a super melodic fashion.
4:26 - Time to simplify things and go into a clear cut blues lick. ending the lick again Adrian uses that whammy so lightly but so good.
4:32 - This part is really creative. It's kind of a backwards 3 note per string climb with some palm muting but what I find really interesting, right before the end of that little section, he hits the F note outside the scale during one of those sections of three. it's really random and almost unnoticeable but really delicious. Then finishing with a melodic repeated pattern down the scale.
4:38 - Here's a chromatic fast pick tapped section across four notes followed by a Murray inspired divebomb.
4:43 - Here, we have another chromatic tapping section between an open B string, the 12th fret and Adrian starts on the third note of the sequence on the bflat for a few then chromatically going down the scale into another divebomb on the B string. Wow!!
Wonderful solo.
Kade, I'll have some time this week and go through this with your notes. CSiT is my #3 Maiden track and I already know the solos are awesome. Be interesting to listen with your play by play.
I'm glad Dave and Adrian got some mentions on the list. Yeah I know there's a lot of Maiden fans on the boards, but they are both terrific players, and I feel like individually, they are kind of overlooked. They always seem to be mentioned as a pair and it works against them.
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Stads... Just saw your #12.... :lol
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Rhoads would've been Top 10 for me................not sure where but right up there. Satriani also would've made it but more in the teens I think.
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Top 10 kicks off...
10 Randy Rhoads
Appeared on 10 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Glasser, The Realm)
7 Top 10 Finishes
If Hendrix gets the "he died too young" bump, then Rhoads gets it times 100. Good guitarist, but not one who received any consideration when trying to get down to 25.
I think timing is everything. I know we have a bunch of fogeys here, but everyone I knew as a kid considered Rhoads their favorite guitarist. I know EVH was 1A, but the metal community circled around Rhoads, who wasn't just a guitarist. His playing set a mood and a tone, and one that was unique and never really duplicated.
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1/2 today. Had Satch at #9. So far 3/17! :rollin
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10 Randy Rhoads
Appeared on 10 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Glasser, The Realm)
7 Top 10 Finishes
If Hendrix gets the "he died too young" bump, then Rhoads gets it times 100. Good guitarist, but not one who received any consideration when trying to get down to 25.
09 Joe Satriani
Appeared on 15 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 3 (devieira73)
9 Top 10 Finishes
Great player, sure, and he has a few songs I dig, but just not enough good songs overall for me to give him anything more than a passing thought. Him finishing ahead of Brian May grosses me out. :lol
Satriani was certainly the flavor of the month back in the late '80s/early '90s. I'm pretty sure they played a song or two on KNAC in southern California, and I know I heard Surfing with the Alien as a result of my band's guitar player being into him. But I couldn't name a single song or recall a melody or anything. In my mind, Satriani is most famous as Kirk Hammett's teacher. Definitely a guitarist's guitarist, but I don't know any non-guitarists who give a rip.
I didn't rank Rhoads either. I posted a poll a couple years ago asking whether Rhoads was overrated - primarily because he has only 82:50 of recorded music (not including live recordings). I don't know anyone who has heard the first two Quiet Riot albums, and I've heard they're nothing special. I LOVE the first two Ozzy albums, but there's just not enough material for him to have worked his way into my top 25.
8/16 so far.
25. Michael Schenker
24. [probably won't make the list...at this point, it's a definite no (same for 20 and 23)]
23. [almost certainly won't make the list]
22. [no chance in hell he'll make the list]
21. [maybe?...losing hope]
20. [almost certainly won't make the list]
19. [maybe?...the further we get into this, the less likely I think it is that he makes it]
18. [not a chance...also on my vocalist list]
17. [better than maybe, but I'll be surprised by a top 10 finish]
16. [probably not...downgrading this to no way]
15. [almost certainly will]
14. [almost certainly won't]
13. [no way...see #11]
12. Ritchie Blackmore
11. [no way...band is WAY underrated around here]
10. Dave Murray
9. Glenn Tipton
8. [REALLY should but probably won't...also top 10 on my vocalist list]
7. Adrian Smith
6. Chris DeGarmo
5. Steve Howe
4. [not happening]
3. [stone cold lock]
2. Jim Matheos
1. [if he doesn't, I'm revolting]
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Catching up from the weekend and today.
14 Jimi Hendrix - I had the unique Mr. Hendrix at #10. Given how the rest of the rankings have gone, I am pleasantly surprised he would up this high on the list.
13 Guthrie Govan - I certainly respect GG, but I'm not as familiar with the totality of his output as I am with some others, so I completely brainfarted when I made my list and left him off. Certainly worthy to be included.
12 Adrian Smith - never cared for Iron Maiden, so never a consideration for me. Honestly, I didn't recognize the name and had to look it up.
11 Brian May - I had May at # 7. Like Hendrix, I am pleasantly surprised to see him this high.
10 Randy Rhoads - unranked. Certainly a great player, but he died to soon, and his most well known stuff was with Ozzy, for whom I have no particular love. Never even a consideration.
09 Joe Satriani - I had Satch at # 4. I love his mix of technicality and melody, and he has such great feel. He is also a really good composer, IMO. I love him.
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Randy Rhoads, not ranked, good enough player, but I never saw anything special in him, maybe if he had a longer career, I would have come around.
Joe Satriani is my number 4. Such a great, versatile guitar player. Surfing With The Alien was a revelation for me as to what instrumental guitar music in a heavy rock context could be. And he's still going strong. Great feel, great sounds, great tone. And he manages to avoid being just a shredder in a genre that is full of those.
Is he a guitarist's guitarist? Maybe, but out of all those instrumental rock guys, he was the one who put some of his songs on mainstream radio, at least here in Germany.
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I know some might be like 'WTF is he on about again?' So just scroll on if you're not interested, I just love really listening and deciphering the solos and putting it into words. Pretty silly really but it's more of a self indulgence thing for myself.
I am glad some get a kick out of it though.
To echo what others have already said, keep this up.
I love Maiden and I love their combined guitar work, but the solos in most of the songs for me are just kind of there. Not bad, but not really sticking out either. So with your breakdown, I will listen again with a special attention and maybe see/hear what it is that fascinates you.
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Randy Rhoads, not ranked, good enough player, but I never saw anything special in him, maybe if he had a longer career, I would have come around.
Joe Satriani is my number 4. Such a great, versatile guitar player. Surfing With The Alien was a revelation for me as to what instrumental guitar music in a heavy rock context could be. And he's still going strong. Great feel, great sounds, great tone. And he manages to avoid being just a shredder in a genre that is full of those.
Is he a guitarist's guitarist? Maybe, but out of all those instrumental rock guys, he was the one who put some of his songs on mainstream radio, at least here in Germany.
Yeah, I would venture to say that a lot more people are familiar with Satriani than some may realize. “Summer Song” was a bit of a hit, was used in several commercials, and I still hear it on rock radio stations as bumper music (usually for traffic segments for some reason). He used to get fairly frequent late night talk show guest appearances in the 90s as well. I’m not sure how many people could name him, but I bet a lot of people would recognize that tune if they heard it. He’s also managed to make the G3 thing a regular, successful event. So he’s not just some obscure guy who’s best known for teaching Kirk Hammett how to play guitar.
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What Randy Rhoads accomplished by age 25 with really only 2 Ozzy albums, the QR stuff was good and the Tribute live is just that, a tribute to what an impact he already had with such a small body of work. Think about it this way, he was 25 when he died, his brain wasn't even fully developed which according to science is 26, I can only cry when I think of what could have been. Its such an incredible loss and still saddens me to this day.
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Just a word on Rhoads; I know that he has limited recorded work, and I understand that (though I have heard the two Japanese Quiet Riot records; there's not a lot that very clearly signals his work in Ozzy). But what he DID do was really game-changing. I remember getting both those Ozzy records, fresh, and putting them on the stereo and just being blown away. "You Can't Kill Rock and Roll" is my go-to ring tone. The solo for "Tonight" is top five favorite solos ever and top three crimes against humanity that it was faded out early; I have a documentary where Ozzy and Kevin Churko, mention that, and play the tapes... THEN TALK OVER THE PLAYING! NUMBSKULLS! An early pressing of the artwork for the deluxe Diary released a couple years ago had an "Extended Version" of Tonight, but it didn't make the final release. Sharon!!! :) :) :) :) :)
As for Satch, like him in Chickenfoot, but he doesn't do for me what some of the people higher up on my list do. I will say: you should check out the album he did with Glenn Hughes and Chad Smith, "What Happens Next"; pretty, pretty good. Oh, also, inspired by Jimi Hendrix.
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Stadler, look above your post. We both posted on Randy essentially the same sentiment at the same time. Nice post! That's how special Randy is/was.
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Stadler, look above your post. We both posted on Randy essentially the same sentiment at the same time. Nice post! That's how special Randy is/was.
HAHA, yes! :). Great minds!! :)
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SIT is really Adrian's magnum opus. I do think collectively, his work on this one is pretty much the best he's done, but I think Chemical Wedding comes pretty close.
CSIT was one of the first more advanced solos I tried to tackle. I kept coming back to it for a long time but I can't argue with that solo being your fav from Adrian. It pretty much sums him up as a player really.
4:05 - We start off with a nice tasty bend followed by a run down the E minor scale with some pick attack.
4:10 - nice high note with the whammy bar and another really simple bluesy lick. His subtle use of the whammy bar is incredible. Love that slide down at 4:14.
4:15 - We go for a climb up the scale this time in perfect rhythm with some palm muting finishing on the D note I think.
4:21 - This time Adrian taps a pedal point G note I think with his pick while descending finishing with a similar lick to the one before. It's nice that the 4:15 section and the 4:21 section are different but follow a similar structure keeping things focused and tight and both ending in a super melodic fashion.
4:26 - Time to simplify things and go into a clear cut blues lick. ending the lick again Adrian uses that whammy so lightly but so good.
4:32 - This part is really creative. It's kind of a backwards 3 note per string climb with some palm muting but what I find really interesting, right before the end of that little section, he hits the F note outside the scale during one of those sections of three. it's really random and almost unnoticeable but really delicious. Then finishing with a melodic repeated pattern down the scale.
4:38 - Here's a chromatic fast pick tapped section across four notes followed by a Murray inspired divebomb.
4:43 - Here, we have another chromatic tapping section between an open B string, the 12th fret and Adrian starts on the third note of the sequence on the bflat for a few then chromatically going down the scale into another divebomb on the B string. Wow!!
Wonderful solo.
Kade, I'll have some time this week and go through this with your notes. CSiT is my #3 Maiden track and I already know the solos are awesome. Be interesting to listen with your play by play.
I'm glad Dave and Adrian got some mentions on the list. Yeah I know there's a lot of Maiden fans on the boards, but they are both terrific players, and I feel like individually, they are kind of overlooked. They always seem to be mentioned as a pair and it works against them.
Thanks Tim, appreciate that. Yeah, it has always annoyed me too when I see them get mentioned as a pair. So silly.
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I know some might be like 'WTF is he on about again?' So just scroll on if you're not interested, I just love really listening and deciphering the solos and putting it into words. Pretty silly really but it's more of a self indulgence thing for myself.
I am glad some get a kick out of it though.
No, keep it up. I read every word. I don't really dive into Maiden "technically", it's more feel for me, so almost everything you write is a new take for me.
Thanks Bill. It's fun and easy to do because really, the Maiden stuff isn't technical at all. Bit it's great just listening to the characteristics and little subtleties in the solos.
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1. Glenn Tipton
I had 2/2 today. Randy just made the list. I don't listen to much of the first two Ozzy albums much anymore, but those plus the tribute album are a trilogy of perfect guitar playing. What could have been with Randy. Such a shame.
Satriani came in at number 9 for me. He was the first instrumental guy I got into playing the guitar. His melodic songs were a perfect gateway to the instrumental realm. Love so much of his work and was pivotal in my guitar learnings. I even played his songs in a few guitar exams.
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Can't believe I spaced Satch. :wtf:
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I know some might be like 'WTF is he on about again?' So just scroll on if you're not interested, I just love really listening and deciphering the solos and putting it into words. Pretty silly really but it's more of a self indulgence thing for myself.
I am glad some get a kick out of it though.
To echo what others have already said, keep this up.
I love Maiden and I love their combined guitar work, but the solos in most of the songs for me are just kind of there. Not bad, but not really sticking out either. So with your breakdown, I will listen again with a special attention and maybe see/hear what it is that fascinates you.
There are some instances where the solos are filler for sure. But there's a lot of special ones in there too. Appreciate the support.
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1 each from the last 3 updates made my list.
Jimi Hendrix came in at #17. Not the biggest body of work in the world but he has about 10 or 12 songs that are very important to me. Such a calm and effortless way about his playing and singing.
Brian May landed at #12, buoyed no doubt by my recent revisit of the Queen catalogue for that band's сountdown. I'm not crazy about his tone but his note choices are great.
Joe Satriani came in at #14. That wah peddle bit in 'Searching'? Heaven.
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17. Jimi Hendrix
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1. Mark Knopfler
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Timing..
Daily Doug does Mr. Crowley today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUXGdV1vdEU
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10 Randy Rhoads
Appeared on 10 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Glasser, The Realm)
7 Top 10 Finishes
09 Joe Satriani
Appeared on 15 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 3 (devieira73)
9 Top 10 Finishes
OK, today is a great day!
Randy Rhoads - Wow! I really thought when we got to the top 10 that Randy was not even going to make it. I don't see him getting much love around here and I do remember pg's poll asking whether he is overrated which broke my heart...Randy is my number 1 guitarist and has been for a very long time. His work with Ozzy is God status to me and the fact that we lost him so early, I still find upsetting to this day. I totally get that his body of work is small but it doesn't matter, it is enough and it is all special. Top marks also to Glasser for the number 1 ranking.
Joe Satriani - I can still remember the hype around Surfing with the Alien when it was released in 1987 and I did pick up the cassette at the time. I loved this album but have not listened to it for over 20 years. I have continued to sample Satch's solo work over the years and actually really enjoy his latest album The Elephants of Mars . Was seriously considered for my list but just missed out.
Now 8 from 17.
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Top 10 kicks off...
10 Randy Rhoads
Appeared on 10 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Glasser, The Realm)
7 Top 10 Finishes
If Hendrix gets the "he died too young" bump, then Rhoads gets it times 100. Good guitarist, but not one who received any consideration when trying to get down to 25.
I think timing is everything. I know we have a bunch of fogeys here, but everyone I knew as a kid considered Rhoads their favorite guitarist. I know EVH was 1A, but the metal community circled around Rhoads, who wasn't just a guitarist. His playing set a mood and a tone, and one that was unique and never really duplicated.
Just wanted to add that Randy Rhoads was the 80's answer to Hendrix. He had a profound effect, and still does to this day.
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I don't see that at all. Eddie Van Halen had just made a massive impact several years before that Ozzy record, and no one will convince me that Rhoads came close to that. I am not saying he didn't have an impact, but on the broad level of a Hendrix? No chance.
And how does he still have a profound impact today? The guitar and rock music in general aren't nearly as big in the mainstream as they used to be.
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I'd bet Chad's next paycheck on what your #4 is.... (I think he's #5 on my list)
I think I know who it is as well. And he definitely would have been very high on my list.
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I had to look up who lonestar's number 5 guitarist was, as I had never heard his name before. Dead serious.
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I had to look up who lonestar's number 5 guitarist was, as I had never heard his name before. Dead serious.
He's actually #6...
#5 is near and dear to a few of us who love the band, but yeah, I knew he wouldn't come within a thousand miles of the final list.
Also, Stads and I compared notes, and I lost that bet. Sorry Chad.
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I don't see that at all. Eddie Van Halen had just made a massive impact several years before that Ozzy record, and no one will convince me that Rhoads came close to that. I am not saying he didn't have an impact, but on the broad level of a Hendrix? No chance.
And how does he still have a profound impact today? The guitar and rock music in general aren't nearly as big in the mainstream as they used to be.
Last point first. His impact? Well he made this list didn't he?
I'm just relaying my experience, but in the early 80's, everyone I knew who played guitar, and there were a bunch, all wanted to be Randy Rhoads. Randy "metallized" what Eddie did. And it was more appealing to everyone I knew.
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I don't see that at all. Eddie Van Halen had just made a massive impact several years before that Ozzy record, and no one will convince me that Rhoads came close to that. I am not saying he didn't have an impact, but on the broad level of a Hendrix? No chance.
And how does he still have a profound impact today? The guitar and rock music in general aren't nearly as big in the mainstream as they used to be.
Last point first. His impact? Well he made this list didn't he?
I'm just relaying my experience, but in the early 80's, everyone I knew who played guitar, and there were a bunch, all wanted to be Randy Rhoads. Randy "metallized" what Eddie did. And it was more appealing to everyone I knew.
Yes, this is it exactly. That is what Randy did. He took some of Eddie's style and combined it with the first real popular neo-classical transition to the guitar in a 'heavy metal' environment and everyone lapped it up. I know so many people, including myself of course who just worship the guy. Look I guess it is kind of a 'needed to be part of it at the time thing' which is why many here probably don't relate and that is cool. We all come to music in a different way. But with Randy we are talking about 1980/1981 and just think of all the guitarists who come after this, many of whom will have him right up there as a major influence.
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I had to look up who lonestar's number 5 guitarist was, as I had never heard his name before. Dead serious.
He's actually #6...
#5 is near and dear to a few of us who love the band, but yeah, I knew he wouldn't come within a thousand miles of the final list.
Also, Stads and I compared notes, and I lost that bet. Sorry Chad.
Ah, okay. Not to spoil anything for ya, but your guy (#6) is definitely one I thought would do better here than he did.
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I don't see that at all. Eddie Van Halen had just made a massive impact several years before that Ozzy record, and no one will convince me that Rhoads came close to that. I am not saying he didn't have an impact, but on the broad level of a Hendrix? No chance.
And how does he still have a profound impact today? The guitar and rock music in general aren't nearly as big in the mainstream as they used to be.
Last point first. His impact? Well he made this list didn't he?
I'm just relaying my experience, but in the early 80's, everyone I knew who played guitar, and there were a bunch, all wanted to be Randy Rhoads. Randy "metallized" what Eddie did. And it was more appealing to everyone I knew.
Wait, making a countdown list where 34 people voted means you had a "profound impact?" :P
As for the rest, your experience is your experience, and that is all well and good, but I suspect this line of thinking is isolated to a certain age group and/or a certain demographic (hard rock/metal fans), which is why I said his impact wasn't as broad as that of Hendrix. Sure, if you were a big hard rock/metal fan in 1981, Rhoads was your thing, but if not, then what?
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I never said his impact was as broad as Hendrix. I was just trying to explain why his impact was broad in it's own right.
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Understand. I am definitely not saying he wasn't impactful. I just think it is a bit overstated, since his demographic seems a bit narrow. It's splitting hairs probably, so all good! :tup :tup
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I had to look up who lonestar's number 5 guitarist was, as I had never heard his name before. Dead serious.
He's actually #6...
#5 is near and dear to a few of us who love the band, but yeah, I knew he wouldn't come within a thousand miles of the final list.
Also, Stads and I compared notes, and I lost that bet. Sorry Chad.
Ah, okay. Not to spoil anything for ya, but your guy (#6) is definitely one I thought would do better here than he did.
yeah,I figured with how many spots left, and some of the names left to be named,he was out of the running. Actually,when Howe's name popped up I figured he wasn't making it.
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I'm with Kev there, Rhoads is just in the wrong niche for me. He wasn't as innovative as Blackmore, EVH, or UJR in incorporating classical influences into a rock/metal context, and while he may have pushed it a bit further and streamlined it, he didn't do it nearly as well as Yngwie, Gilbert, Becker, Friedman, Impellitteri and such later on. I'm also not crazy about his tone. I do like his playing, but just not nearly enough to place high on a list like this.
Satch was another monumental influence for me earlier on, and directly led to me getting into DT and so many others. Another case of him just sliding a lot over time because I don't listen nearly as often anymore, but he's still on my honorable mentions.
I know some might be like 'WTF is he on about again?' So just scroll on if you're not interested, I just love really listening and deciphering the solos and putting it into words. Pretty silly really but it's more of a self indulgence thing for myself.
I'm familiar with this line of thought. ;D
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I even played his songs in a few guitar exams.
:hifive:
As a 16 year old I chose Always With Me, Always With You and Midnight as pieces for my Year 12 music exams. Loooong time ago but Satriani was huge back then and was the first mainstream instrumental rock guitarist on the radio
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Joe Satriani (my #3). Long time fan here, since Flying in a Blue Dream! Despite being much hyped about his technique, I absolutely love his albums. From Not from this Earth (although Satriani has been more recognized from the following album, Surfing with the Alien, this one for me already demonstrates all his genius and style - hear the title track, Memories and Hordes of Locust) to Engines of Creation (I love this one, despite being a little controversial, given the electronic influences. However, for me, he nailed the whole album! Still I woul highlight Devil's Slide, Borg Sex and Attack ), I think he released albums almost without fail.
Richie Blackmore (my #13), being one of the most important composers of albums from Deep Purple's In Rock to Stormbringer and the first 3 Rainbow albums, it has to be high in this list!
Brian May (my #15). Maybe the most creative rock guitar player in terms of the arrangements aspects of the instrument? (honestly I'm between him and another one...) And a very consistent great composer! Thanks Kev to help me to put May in a more correct perspective because of the Queen's Top 50.
Adrian Smith (my #24). He always have been my fave guitar player from Maiden. I think he's much better inside the band, but I also think he always contributed a lot for Maiden greatness.
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My list : 6/17
23. Randy Rhoads (#10)
22. Slash (#17)
21. Dave Mustaine (#22)
11. Adrian Smith (#12)
9. Joe Satriani (#9...nailed it.)
5. Stevie Ray Vaughan (#25)
Considered: May, Hendrix, Murray, Knopfler, Matheos
Didn't considered: Govan, Howe, Blackmore, Tipton, M. Shenker, DeGarmo
The Main Axe Tracker
Fender 39 pts
Gibson 39 pts (+16 today)
Jackson 18 pts
Ibanez +17 pts
Red Special / Old Lady / Fireplace 15 pts
Charvel 13 pts
Hamer 6 pts
PRS 5 pts
ESP 2 pts
Randy was a tough one. First guitar I associate with him is the polka dot Sandoval. He also played the Jackson Concordes late in life. But multiple sources cite the Les Paul to be his main guitar, which I can also agree with. What do y'all think?
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Yeah nice. I'll make some comments on that one soon. Just caught up with something at work.
Shit, how could I forget Sea of Madness too?!
For me that whole album is a guitar playing tour de force. Some brilliant solos by both but as I said in my small write up above, Adrian goes to another level here.
SIT is really Adrian's magnum opus. I do think collectively, his work on this one is pretty much the best he's done, but I think Chemical Wedding comes pretty close.
CSIT was one of the first more advanced solos I tried to tackle. I kept coming back to it for a long time but I can't argue with that solo being your fav from Adrian. It pretty much sums him up as a player really.
4:05 - We start off with a nice tasty bend followed by a run down the E minor scale with some pick attack.
4:10 - nice high note with the whammy bar and another really simple bluesy lick. His subtle use of the whammy bar is incredible. Love that slide down at 4:14.
4:15 - We go for a climb up the scale this time in perfect rhythm with some palm muting finishing on the D note I think.
4:21 - This time Adrian taps a pedal point G note I think with his pick while descending finishing with a similar lick to the one before. It's nice that the 4:15 section and the 4:21 section are different but follow a similar structure keeping things focused and tight and both ending in a super melodic fashion.
4:26 - Time to simplify things and go into a clear cut blues lick. ending the lick again Adrian uses that whammy so lightly but so good.
4:32 - This part is really creative. It's kind of a backwards 3 note per string climb with some palm muting but what I find really interesting, right before the end of that little section, he hits the F note outside the scale during one of those sections of three. it's really random and almost unnoticeable but really delicious. Then finishing with a melodic repeated pattern down the scale.
4:38 - Here's a chromatic fast pick tapped section across four notes followed by a Murray inspired divebomb.
4:43 - Here, we have another chromatic tapping section between an open B string, the 12th fret and Adrian starts on the third note of the sequence on the bflat for a few then chromatically going down the scale into another divebomb on the B string. Wow!!
Wonderful solo.
So, shout out to the outro of Sea of Madness. Bent notes while tapping a higher note while bent. The second time even sliding up a couple of notes while the string is bent then releasing. Genius!!
LOVE your breakdowns of solos! :tup
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I even played his songs in a few guitar exams.
:hifive:
As a 16 year old I chose Always With Me, Always With You and Midnight as pieces for my Year 12 music exams. Loooong time ago but Satriani was huge back then and was the first mainstream instrumental rock guitarist on the radio
Footage of Brent's exam..
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:lol
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Satch would not have made my list. I respect his skills and his influence, but not enough of his material ever really connected with me.
With Randy, I think his career was just too tragically short. I love both Blizzard and Diary, but I feel like there's not enough to go on versus a lot of other players with much larger back catalogs. Maybe an honorable mention.
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I don't see that at all. Eddie Van Halen had just made a massive impact several years before that Ozzy record, and no one will convince me that Rhoads came close to that. I am not saying he didn't have an impact, but on the broad level of a Hendrix? No chance.
And how does he still have a profound impact today? The guitar and rock music in general aren't nearly as big in the mainstream as they used to be.
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I even played his songs in a few guitar exams.
:hifive:
As a 16 year old I chose Always With Me, Always With You and Midnight as pieces for my Year 12 music exams. Loooong time ago but Satriani was huge back then and was the first mainstream instrumental rock guitarist on the radio
Midnight! Amazing. I did 3 when I was going through the 1-8 practical exams you could do? I don't remember what they were called or what the structure is now. I think I went up to grade 6. I did Circles, Love Thing and Crystal Planet.
During Crystal Planet the examiner was clearly a old school jazz guy and stopped me after the solo and was like 'yeah that's enough, that's good.' :lol
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I even played his songs in a few guitar exams.
:hifive:
As a 16 year old I chose Always With Me, Always With You and Midnight as pieces for my Year 12 music exams. Loooong time ago but Satriani was huge back then and was the first mainstream instrumental rock guitarist on the radio
Footage of Brent's exam..
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Ha! Yeah pretty much mine too lol.
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Cheers Nick.
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I even played his songs in a few guitar exams.
:hifive:
As a 16 year old I chose Always With Me, Always With You and Midnight as pieces for my Year 12 music exams. Loooong time ago but Satriani was huge back then and was the first mainstream instrumental rock guitarist on the radio
Midnight! Amazing. I did 3 when I was going through the 1-8 practical exams you could do? I don't remember what they were called or what the structure is now. I think I went up to grade 6. I did Circles, Love Thing and Crystal Planet.
During Crystal Planet the examiner was clearly a old school jazz guy and stopped me after the solo and was like 'yeah that's enough, that's good.' :lol
The reason I was able to select my own pieces for Year 12 is that they had never offered electric guitar before - had always just been classical. I got the info that they were considering adding electric and begged them to let me be the first. And so I got to choose my own pieces and submit them for approval. One cool thing..........Midnight is offered as one of the standard pieces 30+ years later.
Like you I remember walking in with my amp , Korg A3 in road case and my Ibanez JEM and the stodgy old examiners looking at my like WTF is this! :lol
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Surely today is gonna be my day! Give me 1/2!
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I even played his songs in a few guitar exams.
:hifive:
As a 16 year old I chose Always With Me, Always With You and Midnight as pieces for my Year 12 music exams. Loooong time ago but Satriani was huge back then and was the first mainstream instrumental rock guitarist on the radio
Midnight! Amazing. I did 3 when I was going through the 1-8 practical exams you could do? I don't remember what they were called or what the structure is now. I think I went up to grade 6. I did Circles, Love Thing and Crystal Planet.
During Crystal Planet the examiner was clearly a old school jazz guy and stopped me after the solo and was like 'yeah that's enough, that's good.' :lol
The reason I was able to select my own pieces for Year 12 is that they had never offered electric guitar before - had always just been classical. I got the info that they were considering adding electric and begged them to let me be the first. And so I got to choose my own pieces and submit them for approval. One cool thing..........Midnight is offered as one of the standard pieces 30+ years later.
Like you I remember walking in with my amp , Korg A3 in road case and my Ibanez JEM and the stodgy old examiners looking at my like WTF is this! :lol
In year 12 I remember me and a mate doing Malmsteens Golden Dawn for an exam. Really nice 90 second piece to play.
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Like you I remember walking in with my amp , Korg A3 in road case and my Ibanez JEM and the stodgy old examiners looking at my like WTF is this! :lol
Now this is my whammy bar and it's gonna be loud. ;D
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Next two!
08 Steve Vai
Appeared on 15 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (BRGM, Fonzie)
9 Top 10 Finishes
Talented guy, but unranked for me. Given that I can count on one hand the number of songs he plays on that I actively listen to, none of which are where he is the listed artist, I will say no more.
07 Tony Iommi
Appeared on 17 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 5 (Mladen)
6 Top 10 Finishes
Ah yes, the riff master! I knew he was a lock for the top 10, so it was just a matter of where he landed. I ranked him 17th, but I am totally good with his top 10 finish. I suspect THIS is the man many would say invented metal (if we really want to narrow it down to suggesting that just one person invented a genre).
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0/2 on that round, though I totally get why both got ranked so high.
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25. ??
24. ??
23. ??
22. ??
21. ??
20. ??
19. Tony Iommi
18. ??
17. ??
16. ??
15. ??
14. ??
13. ??
12. ??
11. Stevie Ray Vaughan
10. ??
9. ??
8. Brian May
7. ??
6. Randy Rhoads
5. ??
4. ??
3. ??
2. ??
1. ??
Tony came in at 19. Hard not to influenced this dude to some degree if you play metal. Vai didn't make it.
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Neither ranked for me.
Steve Vai I just never been able to get into. Tremendous player, just not my style.
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25 Stevie Ray Vaughan
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19 (Brian May)
18 Steve Howe
17 Glenn Tipton
16 Mark Knopfler
15 Ritchie Blackmore
14 Steve Vai
13 Joe Satriani
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10 Toni Iommi
9 Jimi Hendrix
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4 Guthrie Goven
3 Michael Schenker
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Iommi's riffs alone could do it, yet his lead playing has also meant a lot to me over the years. Well deserved top 10
Vai deserves to be on the list for In The Name of God alone, but top 10? Not for me.
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Woho! Nice seeing Vai in the top 10! Definitely one of my biggest inspiration for picking up the guitar in the first place! :metal As well as Satriani and Govan!
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Looks like I'm only into the shredding type 😅
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Vai deserves to be on the list for In The Name of God alone, but top 10? Not for me.
Huh? I didn't see him in the credits for Train Of Thought.
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2 more misses, though both were anticipated. Vai is similar to Satriani for me in that I almost included him but decided against it. He’s arguably the best technical guitarist of his generation, and he’s done some things that are just jaw dropping. But I just don’t listen to his music that much anymore.
Iommi is another early metal guy I’ve never really listened to beyond the well known tunes.
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Two absolute legends in today's update. Vai isn't in my orbit so I can't really rate him as a favorite, but Iommi is definitely on my list at #12
I'm going to fill in my list a bit with guys I know will not be listed.
My list so far..
25. Scott Gorham
24. Brian May
23. Jannick Gers
22. Dave Mustaine
21. Malcolm Young
20. Brian Robertson
19. Ace Frehley
18. Kai Hansen
17.
16. Randy Rhoads
15. Vinnie Moore
14. Dave Menniketti
13. Dave Prichard
12. Tony Iommi
11. Paul Chapman
10.
9.
8. Dave Murray
7. Adrian Smith
6. Richie Blackmore
5. Wolf Hoffman
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1. Michael Schenker
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Glad to ser Vai rank higher than Satriani, but neither made my list (and Iommu didn’t either)
Still 3 in total for me.
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1/2 and 6/19. Nothing but huge respect for Tony Iommi from me.
25.
24.
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22. Joe Satriani
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9. Jim Matheos
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7. Tony Iommi
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5. Guthrie Govan
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3. Ritchie Blackmore
2. Mark Knopfler
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At this point I'm pretty sure my #1 and #4 will make it, perhaps my #11 will too, but that's about it.
Tim - I had Kai on #6.
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Vai's about where I would've had him.........Iommi probably would've scraped into my 25 too.
Like you I remember walking in with my amp , Korg A3 in road case and my Ibanez JEM and the stodgy old examiners looking at my like WTF is this! :lol
Now this is my whammy bar and it's gonna be loud. ;D
:metal :biggrin:
In year 12 I remember me and a mate doing Malmsteens Golden Dawn for an exam. Really nice 90 second piece to play.
Can't remember how it goes off the top of my head , but will revisit.
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Tim - I had Kai on #6.
Oh that's awesome. I know Kade also had him in about the same spot as I did.
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Iommi is the man and one of my absolutely favorite guitar players. I do like Steve Vai, I'm in fact attending his concert on Thursday night, but I didn't rank him.
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Vai is a titan, for me. I love most of what he’s done, and respect the rest.
Iommi. Appreciate his contribution but nowhere near my 25.
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Vai's about where I would've had him.........Iommi probably would've scraped into my 25 too.
Oh yeah?
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I'd bet Chad's next paycheck on what your #4 is.... (I think he's #5 on my list)
Playin loose with my money again??
Also, Stads and I compared notes, and I lost that bet. Sorry Chad.
Well fuck. At least it's CAD.
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25. Joe Satriani
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17.Steve Vai
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8. Mark Knopfler
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1. Guthrie Govan
Vai would've not made the list had I not seen him last year. I always respected his skill but his music isn't really for me. Last year I went to go see him live and as blown away. His control of the guitar is insane. If I based my skill on technique alone he would've placed a lot higher but I just can't get into a lot of his music.
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I don't see that at all. Eddie Van Halen had just made a massive impact several years before that Ozzy record, and no one will convince me that Rhoads came close to that. I am not saying he didn't have an impact, but on the broad level of a Hendrix? No chance.
And how does he still have a profound impact today? The guitar and rock music in general aren't nearly as big in the mainstream as they used to be.
Look, I love Rhoads; he was the second highest on my list (behind Blackmore) that was there and would have been there even had there been no influence or outside "objective" reasoning. I just am transported when he plays. The note choice, the tone, the energy... I just think he was a special player.
Having said that, and taking nothing away, even I have to admit he doesn't have the reach of an Eddie Van Halen or a Hendrix. The Beatles put out Sgt. Pepper, and only DAYS later McCartney went to see Hendrix in a club to see what the fuss was and was blown away when Hendrix owned "Sgt. Pepper" the song. The same with Van Halen; he instantly became the "cliche" for hard rock/heavy metal guitar. Whenever you had a commercial or a movie, or something like that and you needed the quintessential "heavy metal solo" you heard a Van Halen knockoff. You hear Hendrix even today in some pop music (Steve Lukather channels a LOT of Hendrix in his rhythm playing, for example).
I can't admit that Rhoads ever got to that level of reach, even if I like him more.
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I'd bet Chad's next paycheck on what your #4 is.... (I think he's #5 on my list)
Playin loose with my money again??
Also, Stads and I compared notes, and I lost that bet. Sorry Chad.
Well fuck. At least it's CAD.
I thought it was a sure bet.. Sorry bro :heart
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25. Steve Howe
24. [Possible shot; should be, given the forum]
23. [Possible shot; should be, given the forum]
22. Malcolm Young [Probably not at this point]
21. [No way in hell, and that's a shame]
20. Ace Frehley [I think this might be Animal's No. 13; he blows, but I love him anyway]
19. [100% given]
18. Stevie Ray Vaughan
17. [Never in a million years. Very good, very tasteful, but not a genre this forum dips into much]
16. Paul Chapman [Never in a million years. He replaced a guy that is on the list but criminally too low, so this guy has no shot]
15. [Should be but probably not; worthy, but doesn't get much respect for also replacing someone on this list]
14. [Should be, may be]
13. [Probably not; should get a lot more respect than he does, but I think this forum shits on him]
12. Tony Iommi [97%; this is the guy that invented heavy metal, not Dave Davies. :)]
11. [Never in a million years; I think this forum will consider him a joke, sadly.]
10. [Belongs, but may not have enough legs even though he influenced this lists' likely no. 1]
9. [Never in a million years; way underrated, going to be jinxed by the music he plays, not how he plays it]
8. [100% chance; will probably be in the top three]
7. Dave Murray
6. Michael Schenker
5. Randy Rhoads
4. [Should be; he's the guitar player on what I know to be at least three people here's favorite record of all time]
3. [Should be a given]
2. [Should be a given, may be overlooked]
1. Ritchie Blackmore
26. Brian May
29. Mark Knopfler
30. Saul "Slash" Hudson
41. Jimi Hendrix
47. Glenn Tipton
NR: Chris DeGarmo
NR: Guthrie Goven
NR: Jim Matheos
NR: Dave Mustaine
NR: Joe Satriani
NR: Adrian Smith
NR: Steve Vai
Steve Vai: I like a lot of music he's on - his "Seventh Song" compilation is essential, I love his newest one, and I really dig the two albums he did with Roth - but he's just not there in terms of a guy I WANT to listen to. I don't really care for his tone, and he doesn't have enough of those solos that make my ball sac curl up and make me forget where I am.
Tony Iommi: Just a master. He's not my favorite stand alone, but there is SO MUCH in that Sabbath catalogue that I go back to just to hear his guitar; the tone - bold statement: I actually prefer the more trebly tone he started to go for on Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, and which figured prominently on Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die - and the arrangements.
I filled in three that TAC put up. I have two more that I'm sure will never be selected, but I'm going to hold off. I will note, though, that I love that both TAC and I put up MALCOLM and not Angus, for the Young Brothers. I think Malcolm was the rock solid glue that held AC/DC together; Angus was good, but he didn't do a lot that Chuck Berry didn't do before. Malcolm, on the other hand, built towers with his guitar playing.
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I'd bet Chad's next paycheck on what your #4 is.... (I think he's #5 on my list)
Playin loose with my money again??
Also, Stads and I compared notes, and I lost that bet. Sorry Chad.
Well fuck. At least it's CAD.
I thought it was a sure bet.. Sorry bro :heart
Well, you weren't far off; the criteria was the same (though I don't have your guy as high as the guy I had there). It's not like you were miles away.
And it's CAD. :)
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:lol
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I filled in three that TAC put up. I have two more that I'm sure will never be selected, but I'm going to hold off. I will note, though, that I love that both TAC and I put up MALCOLM and not Angus, for the Young Brothers. I think Malcolm was the rock solid glue that held AC/DC together; Angus was good, but he didn't do a lot that Chuck Berry didn't do before. Malcolm, on the other hand, built towers with his guitar playing.
Malcolm Young was the shit. You really had to see them live. He was a beast. I've mentioned this before, but the coolest thing ever was when he and Cliff Williams would walk to the front of the stage in unison for the backing vocals. I used to think...They're not gonna make it, and then Bam, right on cue.
They then turn and walk to take their spots flanking Phil Rudd. Fucking cool.
Malcolm attacked his guitar with an underrated violence.
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I'll admit that I always think of Angus first when it comes to AC/DC and guitar playing since he was the lead player, but Malcolm's rhythm playing was always stellar.
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Malcolm almost made my list, but just didn't.
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Steve Vai at 5 for me.
That guy is just insane and plays some really crazy stuff. When he's on, he's on and I've never seen anyone so in control of his instrument. Passion And Warfare may be the best instrumental guitar rock record. But he also always has some weird stuff that is either so far advanced that I don't understand it, or is just noisy bullshit. I tend to think it's the latter and he's just trolling us. :D
Anyway, great player, but I'm surprised to see him in the top 10 here.
Tony Iommi, what can I say? I didn't rank him, although I know he's a massive influence on heavy and rock guitar. It's just, that I never was that much into Black Sabbath to consider him a favorite. But he absolutely deserves to be on this list.
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Good call by Stadler on Vai’s Seventh Song compilation. That’s the good stuff.
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25 Stevie Ray Vaughan
24 Chris DeGarmo #22
23 Michael Schenker #9
22 Dave Mustaine #10
21 Jim Matheos
20 Glenn Tipton #4
18 (t) Mark Knopfler
18 (t) Ritchie Blackmore #18
17 Slash
16 Dave Murray #12
15 Steve Howe
14 Jimi Hendrix
13 Guthrie Govan
12 Adrian Smith #6
11 Brian May
10 Randy Rhoads
09 Joe Satriani #25
08 Steve Vai #24
07 Tony Iommi #8
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05
04
03
02
01
We're definitely into GOAT territory now . . .
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So far I'm 6 out of 19. Adding the ones, that will definitely not make it:
25 Probably not at this point, but who knows, he has a lot of color in his playing.
24 Probably not at this point, but who knows, his recent death generated not that much talk here
23 Brian May
22 Scott Ian (as the quintessential metal rhythm guitar player, I could have chosen Hetfield, but I like Anthrax better)
21 Chris Rea (not always keen on his music, but his slide guitar playing is out of this world)
20 Luke Morley (just an all around great rock guitar player)
19 Mike Oldfield (maybe an odd choice, but I really like his style and his solo on Moonlight Shadow was the first solo that I wanted to learn to play)
18 Blues meets prog, could be.
17 Slash
16 Probably not, but he’s big
15 Steve Stevens (listen to his playing on Sherinian’s solo records)
14 Michael Landau (my guitar teacher called some of his work grunge blues and he’s not too far off)
13 Stevie Ray Vaughan
12 I know that TAC will have him higher than me
11 Maybe, cause we need something funky
10 Legend, very influential, sloppy playing live
9 Don’t think so, but I don’t stop believing
8 Robben Ford (best player for improvising tasty fusion/blues solos on the spot)
7 Don’t think so, too depressing
6 He’s a given, probably at number 1
5 Steve Vai
4 Joe Satriani
3 Mark Knopfler
2 If he’s not on this list, this list is worthless
1 Can’t imagine seeing him here in the top 10 and it makes me sad. Best melodic rock/pop player.
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12 I know that TAC will have him higher than me
Pretty sure he's not going to make it.
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08 Steve Vai - I had Vai ranked #5. Just a breathtaking combination of technical ability, musical knowledge, feel, and compositional ability.
07 Tony Iommi - I certainly acknowledge Mr. Iommi's place in music history, and his spot in the Hall of Fame is unquestioned, but I have just never liked Black Sabbath very much. Unranked for me.
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12 I know that TAC will have him higher than me
Pretty sure he's not going to make it.
And that's a shame.
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Steve Vai (my#4). Very impressive technically, but also a very inventive composer, yet somewhat an accessible one, like he can prove on Passion and Warfare and Inviolate - both AMAZING albums songwise. As a band member, I would highlight the obvious and classic David Lee Roth - Eat 'Em and Smile and a favorite of mine, kind of a forgotten gem, Whitesnake - Slip of the Tongue. Although there's no Vai songwriting, his style is all over the entire album and that solo on The Deeper The Love is one of his most inspired and accessible moments.
Tony Iommi (my#14). Like Kev said, if we have to choose only one father of heavy metal it would be him, no doubt.
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I'll start exposing a few...
25. [nope]
Jason Richardson - solo - Beast of a player, he opened for Intervals and nearly blew them out of the water. Never have I been that amazed by a player I was absolutely clueless about before.
24. [skilled, but probably not]
Tom Morello - Rage Against the Machine - I actually fucked up and meant Adam Jones, but Tom's a solid player no matter.
23. [only nominee to have a Super Bowl ring, won't make the list]
Nita Strauss - Alice Cooper, Demi Lavato, Solo - Absolutely massive player and soloist, if it's by skill alone then she should have been mentioned by everyone tbh. Won a Super Bowl ring for being the Rams house guitar player (she plays during breaks at every home game)
22. [youngest nominee, probably of all the people at 20, but won't be listed]
21. [I'll be shocked if he isn't there]
20. Jimi Hendrix [97% sure he'll be there]
19. [most kuwaii nominee, won't make the list]
18. [nope, even though I listen to his solo work a few times a day at least]
17. Brian May [should make it]
16. Guthrie Govan [definitely in the best ever discussion, doubt he'll make the list though]
15. [same as 16, will definitely make the final list]
14. [48% chance, definitely worthy though]
13. [basically invented heavy metal, won't be on the list]
12. [second best song writer on my list, and a brilliant soloist, she won't be listed]
11. [I'll be fucking crushed if he doesn't make the final list]
10. [most brutal player I nominated, won't be on the final list]
9. [if everyone heard her work, she'd make the finals]
8. [stone cold lock for the top 5]
7. [probably top 5, definitely 10]
6. [I'm on the fence, will get a few nominations, but they'll all be top ten at least, may make the list[
5. [tragically won't make the list]
4. [if King and Jingle did this, he might have had a chance]
3. [lock]
2. Steve Howe
1. [I'll put him at 42% to make the final list]
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I filled in three that TAC put up. I have two more that I'm sure will never be selected, but I'm going to hold off. I will note, though, that I love that both TAC and I put up MALCOLM and not Angus, for the Young Brothers. I think Malcolm was the rock solid glue that held AC/DC together; Angus was good, but he didn't do a lot that Chuck Berry didn't do before. Malcolm, on the other hand, built towers with his guitar playing.
Malcolm Young was the shit. You really had to see them live. He was a beast. I've mentioned this before, but the coolest thing ever was when he and Cliff Williams would walk to the front of the stage in unison for the backing vocals. I used to think...They're not gonna make it, and then Bam, right on cue.
They then turn and walk to take their spots flanking Phil Rudd. Fucking cool.
Malcolm attacked his guitar with an underrated violence.
Agreed, which was why - for me - Phil Rudd was so essential to the AC/DC sound. It wasn't the bass player and the drummer, it was the rhythm guitar player and the drummer. They were the backbone and heartbeat of AC/DC. I'm only sorry I didn't get to see those two live (when I saw them it was Stevie on rhythm and Simon Wright on drums, for the first part of the Blow Up Your Video tour).
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I filled in three that TAC put up. I have two more that I'm sure will never be selected, but I'm going to hold off. I will note, though, that I love that both TAC and I put up MALCOLM and not Angus, for the Young Brothers. I think Malcolm was the rock solid glue that held AC/DC together; Angus was good, but he didn't do a lot that Chuck Berry didn't do before. Malcolm, on the other hand, built towers with his guitar playing.
Malcolm Young was the shit. You really had to see them live. He was a beast. I've mentioned this before, but the coolest thing ever was when he and Cliff Williams would walk to the front of the stage in unison for the backing vocals. I used to think...They're not gonna make it, and then Bam, right on cue.
They then turn and walk to take their spots flanking Phil Rudd. Fucking cool.
Malcolm attacked his guitar with an underrated violence.
Agreed, which was why - for me - Phil Rudd was so essential to the AC/DC sound. It wasn't the bass player and the drummer, it was the rhythm guitar player and the drummer. They were the backbone and heartbeat of AC/DC. I'm only sorry I didn't get to see those two live (when I saw them it was Stevie on rhythm and Simon Wright on drums, for the first part of the Blow Up Your Video tour).
I saw AC/DC a number of times from '85-'96. I actually like Simon Wright a lot, but seeing Phil Rudd return for the Ball Breaker tour in '96 was awesome. I had a great view of him and keyed on him the whole show.
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25. [nope]
Jason Richardson - solo - Beast of a player, he opened for Intervals and nearly blew them out of the water. Never have I been that amazed by a player I was absolutely clueless about before.
The dude is a monster of a player. I have yet to catch him with All That Remains, but the dude is a beast. I saw him playing at NAMM in 2019, and got to talk to him for a bit. His video playing This Dying Soul ending solo is probably the cleanest cover I've seen for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGrD9gfJLZ0
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23. [only nominee to have a Super Bowl ring, won't make the list]
Nita Strauss - Alice Cooper, Demi Lavato, Solo - Absolutely massive player and soloist, if it's by skill alone then she should have been mentioned by everyone tbh. Won a Super Bowl ring for being the Rams house guitar player (she plays during breaks at every home game)
That's awesome trivia!!! I was waiting for that answer...
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I'll start exposing a few...
25. [nope]
Jason Richardson - solo - Beast of a player, he opened for Intervals and nearly blew them out of the water. Never have I been that amazed by a player I was absolutely clueless about before.
24. [skilled, but probably not]
Tom Morello - Rage Against the Machine - I actually fucked up and meant Adam Jones, but Tom's a solid player no matter.
23. [only nominee to have a Super Bowl ring, won't make the list]
Nita Strauss - Alice Cooper, Demi Lavato, Solo - Absolutely massive player and soloist, if it's by skill alone then she should have been mentioned by everyone tbh. Won a Super Bowl ring for being the Rams house guitar player (she plays during breaks at every home game)
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Both Jason and Nita just missed my top 25, both are great players - their body of work was really all that they had against them for me.
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08 Steve Vai
Appeared on 15 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (BRGM, Fonzie)
9 Top 10 Finishes
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07 Tony Iommi
Appeared on 17 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 5 (Mladen)
6 Top 10 Finishes
Ah yes, the riff master! I knew he was a lock for the top 10, so it was just a matter of where he landed. I ranked him 17th, but I am totally good with his top 10 finish. I suspect THIS is the man many would say invented metal (if we really want to narrow it down to suggesting that just one person invented a genre).
For me, Vai and Satriani are interchangeable. I had never heard of Vai until David Lee Roth released his solo albums, which, but for one song (Shy Boy), I didn't like. Not his fault, but he was wrongfully credited for Whitesnake's mega-self-titled album. I don't think I've heard anything else he's ever done.
Iommi was just the master. It's not over the top to say he was the Thomas Edison or Isaac Newton of metal. To be able to rise above guys like Ozzy and Dio and be the face of Black Sabbath says a lot. I had him at #15.
9/18 so far.
25. Michael Schenker
24. [no way]
23. [no way]
22. [no way]
21. [maybe?...losing hope]
20. [no way]
19. [maybe?...the further we get into this, the less likely I think it is that he makes it]
18. [no way (also on my vocalist list)]
17. [better than maybe, but I'll be surprised by a top 10 finish]
16. [probably not...downgrading this to no way]
15. Tony Iommi
14. [almost certainly won't]
13. [no way...see #11]
12. Ritchie Blackmore
11. [no way...band is WAY underrated around here]
10. Dave Murray
9. Glenn Tipton
8. [REALLY should but probably won't...also top 10 on my vocalist list]
7. Adrian Smith
6. Chris DeGarmo
5. Steve Howe
4. [not happening]
3. [stone cold lock]
2. Jim Matheos
1. [if he doesn't, I'm revolting]
6 spots left. I've got three that I'm 99% sure about, one that I'd probably peg at 75-80%, one that's probably got a 50-75% chance, and one other that was suggested to me.
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I'm 96% sure of four of the remaining six. I've got three guys rotating into the last two. Either way, someone VERY VERY deserving is going to be left out in the cold rain and snow.
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Edit: Deleted my list due to Kev's post, although I think it's fine to list some obvious picks who won't be featured (as the discussion kinda dies down when the final reveal happens), but it's his thread.
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Loving the Helloween love.
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Jeez, what happened to waiting till the countdown is done before revealing picks that didn't make it? :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Jeez, what happened to waiting till the countdown is done before revealing picks that didn't make it? :facepalm: :facepalm:
I made my list, hit post, saw two new posts including this one. Deleted my list. :)
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25. [nope]
Jason Richardson - solo - Beast of a player, he opened for Intervals and nearly blew them out of the water. Never have I been that amazed by a player I was absolutely clueless about before.
The dude is a monster of a player. I have yet to catch him with All That Remains, but the dude is a beast. I saw him playing at NAMM in 2019, and got to talk to him for a bit. His video playing This Dying Soul ending solo is probably the cleanest cover I've seen for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGrD9gfJLZ0
I had zero idea what to expect when I saw him, I had bought the tix at the last minute to catch intervals. Needless to say... Holy fucking fuck... It was just him and Luke Holland... And man, did they fucking tear that room apart. I think it took me a week to get my jaw off the floor.
On a side note, narrowly missing my list was teen prodigy Lisa-X, who at 12 covered his song Hos Down, and played with him at NAMM. If this is what you saw, I'm very fucking jealous.
https://youtu.be/2f9mME1cgf8 (https://youtu.be/2f9mME1cgf8)
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Just feels inevitable that someone will list their picks of ones they think won't make it, and one of them will be one who did make it, as I think there is one guy left I can definitely see being a surprise to some.
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Deleted my list. Sorry Kev.
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Just feels inevitable that someone will list their picks of ones they think won't make it, and one of them will be one who did make it, as I think there is one guy left I can definitely see being a surprise to some.
So... can you (or will you) answer this? How many of the top remaining six are still alive?
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No worries!! Let's save the full lists for the usual Friday fun after the reveal of the top 2. :tup :tup
So... can you (or will you) answer this? How many of the top remaining six are still alive?
Some or all of them. :P
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I can think of 4 that should be iron clad locks for the remaining 6. One I'm about 90%. Totally up in the air as to the remaining person.
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I can think of 4 that should be iron clad locks for the remaining 6.
Same here, and I didn't even rank one of them. No clue on the other two.
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I can think of 4 that should be iron clad locks for the remaining 6.
Same here, and I didn't even rank one of them. No clue on the other two.
I bet that's my Top 1. :lol
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I can think of 4 that should be iron clad locks for the remaining 6.
Same here, and I didn't even rank one of them. No clue on the other two.
I bet that's my Top 1. :lol
It is. :lol
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I think I have a pretty good guess at 5 of the remaining 6. Still think only 3 of them were on my list, but maybe enough other people see the light for my number 1 to break through this high?
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My #1 has a slightly better chance than I do at making the list at this point.
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My #1 has a slightly better chance than I do at making the list at this point.
Damn dude, I didn't know you play guitar. I would have ranked you just knowing that. :neverusethis:
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I’m sure about one name on the remaining 6
1 that I think had a high chance
4 I have absolutely no clue about, except that I probably didn’t rank them :lol
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I'm pretty sure about 4 and I have 3 of them ranked. No clue as to the other two. Pretty sure I didn't rank them.
Edit: Just thought of another one that I even did rank.
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I'm 99% sure about 3 people (I ranked two of them) and 50% sure about one other. Don't know who the rest are although it'll be obvious in hindsight probably.
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Just feels inevitable that someone will list their picks of ones they think won't make it, and one of them will be one who did make it, as I think there is one guy left I can definitely see being a surprise to some.
It's your thread but I fail to see why that would be a problem?
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Just feels inevitable that someone will list their picks of ones they think won't make it, and one of them will be one who did make it, as I think there is one guy left I can definitely see being a surprise to some.
It's your thread but I fail to see why that would be a problem?
I didn't say it was a problem, but it falls under the "spotlighting" thing, which almost everyone has been really good about in these countdown threads. Notice how quite a few are pretty sure about who some of the remaining guitarists are, but not actually naming them. That is the courtesy factor. :)
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I had zero idea what to expect when I saw him, I had bought the tix at the last minute to catch intervals. Needless to say... Holy fucking fuck... It was just him and Luke Holland... And man, did they fucking tear that room apart. I think it took me a week to get my jaw off the floor.
On a side note, narrowly missing my list was teen prodigy Lisa-X, who at 12 covered his song Hos Down, and played with him at NAMM. If this is what you saw, I'm very fucking jealous.
https://youtu.be/2f9mME1cgf8 (https://youtu.be/2f9mME1cgf8)
Yeah, that's part of what I saw. I'll see if I dig up a picture or video when I get home but I remember that performance.
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Like you I remember walking in with my amp , Korg A3 in road case and my Ibanez JEM and the stodgy old examiners looking at my like WTF is this! :lol
Now this is my whammy bar and it's gonna be loud. ;D
Funny how you said that one post before Vai was revealed!
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Just saw that now, pure coincidence. :D
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0/2 again. The only stuff I know from Vai is For the Love of God. Plus the fact he transcribed Zappa's solos. Even this little is enough to make me certain he is an excellent player and musician. But I am not really interested in instrumental rock guitar music.
Iommi is a legend. Although I like these few Sabbath songs I know, I have never felt like really getting into this band.
On a more general note, this countdown has been a nightmare to predict. With songs countdowns, what the remaining reveals are usually becomes quite clear around Top 15 or so (except Queen - this one gave me trouble too). Here, I mostly have no idea. Right now, I just dare to guess I know who the n. 1 player will be - and that it is not gonna be even close. I am also dead certain about one more player. to be featured. But I am at loss about the rest.
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Realized that the first exposure I had to Steve Vai was on the Bill and Ted’s Bogus Journey soundtrack. While he didn’t make my list, two other guitarists who featured on that soundtrack did!
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There are a hard 3 that will literally blow my mind not showing up in the remaining spots. :\
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Vai made my list which is why I can't (for the life of me) figure out how I forgot Satch. My list is complete garbage and never should've submitted it. :facepalm:
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Realized that the first exposure I had to Steve Vai was on the Bill and Ted’s Bogus Journey soundtrack. While he didn’t make my list, two other guitarists who featured on that soundtrack did!
Bill and Ted was so important to me as a kid! Party on dude!
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Realized that the first exposure I had to Steve Vai was on the Bill and Ted’s Bogus Journey soundtrack. While he didn’t make my list, two other guitarists who featured on that soundtrack did!
Bill and Ted was so important to me as a kid! Party on dude!
Be excellent to each other!
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Vai made my list which is why I can't (for the life of me) figure out how I forgot Satch. My list is complete garbage and never should've submitted it. :facepalm:
Hahaha
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Nah it's ok, satch can be pretty forgettable...
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Honestly, with all due respect to both Vai and Satriani, both of whom are crazy talented, we could have gone 100 deep on this countdown, and neither likely makes my list. Anyone who knows me knows the guitar hero style is not really my thing.
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Continuing my hot streak of 1 guitarist a day making my list, Steve Vai came in at #8. I always loved his melodic songs (his "7th songs" for those in the know), but over the years I've come to appreciate his batshit Zappa-on-steroids stuff as well. In fact just today I was listening to The Ultra Zone album and where once upon a time I may have found the chipmunk singing in 'Lucky Charms' a tad out-there, now I see that it's exactly what the song called for. Likewise the screeching horse orgasm at the end of Bad Horsie. Where lesser guitarists might think "I'll just fade this tune out now", Vai thinks: "Ok, now I'll imitate a horse busting a nut". I like that kind of outside-the-box approach to song-writing.
25.
24.
23.
22.
21.
20.
19.
18.
17. Jimi Hendrix
16.
15.
14. Joe Satriani
13.
12. Brian May
11.
10.
9.
8. Steve Vai
7. Slash
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5.
4.
3.
2.
1. Mark Knopfler
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08 Steve Vai
Appeared on 15 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (BRGM, Fonzie)
9 Top 10 Finishes
07 Tony Iommi
Appeared on 17 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 5 (Mladen)
6 Top 10 Finishes
Steve Vai - Passion and Warfare was a hugely influential album to me. Vai is amazing and had to get him in my top 25 even though I don't really listen to him these days. My rank 23.
Toni Iommi - Huge fan and has created some of my favourite ever riffs and songs. My rank 12.
With 2 out of 2 today I am now 10 from 19.
With 6 to go, I think 3 are a lock and I am pretty confident of 1 more but 2 of the remaining 6 are more of a mystery to me.
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My updated list;
25.
24. Randy Rhoads
23.
22.
21.
20.
19.
18.
17.
16.
15.
14.
13. Steve Vai
12. Dave Murray
11.
10.
9. Joe Satriani
8.
7. Tony Iommi
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5.
4.
3. Adrian Smith
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1. Glenn Tipton
Both of these guys ranked for me. Vai was another that was pretty essential back in my days of getting into the instrumental thing. Passion and Warfare was unlike anything we'd ever heard before. I always really liked Fire Garden and The Ultra Zone too. Another Vai gem is the Alive in the Ultra World double live cd. All originals that were only played live. Each songs represented a certain country and it was a cool concept and a really solid collection.
Iommi was always massive for me too. His riffs are undeniable but his lead work I've always been very fond of. He is very simple on that from using mainly pentatonics, with glimpses of the minor and blues scales, his knack for melody in his solos has always been top notch. I do find his lead playing for some reason in the Martin era a lot more appealing then the rest of his stuff. The platform of that style gave him a bit more room to breathe. Check out Born to Lose, Glory Ride, Ancient Warrior, Kill in the Spirit World, Immaculate Deception, Jerusalem etc, So much great lead playing. Although saying all that, two isolated songs which are probably his best are Lonely is the Word and Over and Over. Perfection and so much fun to jam and improvise over.
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This list surprisingly has been a lot in my alley, since 63% of the chosen are in my list as well.
So, about the remaing 6, I’m pretty sure of 3 and I bet the other 3 are between 4 names. All those 7 in my list! ;D
Keeping the rate, I probably will be correct in 4 of the 6 remaining spots.
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I had zero idea what to expect when I saw him, I had bought the tix at the last minute to catch intervals. Needless to say... Holy fucking fuck... It was just him and Luke Holland... And man, did they fucking tear that room apart. I think it took me a week to get my jaw off the floor.
On a side note, narrowly missing my list was teen prodigy Lisa-X, who at 12 covered his song Hos Down, and played with him at NAMM. If this is what you saw, I'm very fucking jealous.
https://youtu.be/2f9mME1cgf8 (https://youtu.be/2f9mME1cgf8)
Yeah, that's part of what I saw. I'll see if I dig up a picture or video when I get home but I remember that performance.
Guess I did not record that particular performance, but I have some short videos of him solo and a few pictures.
(https://i.imgur.com/EjWoeta.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qLHNa7H.jpg)
Going though my photos, I forgot I took this video of JR playing guitar :metal
https://youtu.be/jtY2o5GescY?t=18
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I had zero idea what to expect when I saw him, I had bought the tix at the last minute to catch intervals. Needless to say... Holy fucking fuck... It was just him and Luke Holland... And man, did they fucking tear that room apart. I think it took me a week to get my jaw off the floor.
On a side note, narrowly missing my list was teen prodigy Lisa-X, who at 12 covered his song Hos Down, and played with him at NAMM. If this is what you saw, I'm very fucking jealous.
https://youtu.be/2f9mME1cgf8 (https://youtu.be/2f9mME1cgf8)
Yeah, that's part of what I saw. I'll see if I dig up a picture or video when I get home but I remember that performance.
Guess I did not record that particular performance, but I have some short videos of him solo and a few pictures.
(https://i.imgur.com/EjWoeta.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qLHNa7H.jpg)
Going though my photos, I forgot I took this video of JR playing guitar :metal
https://youtu.be/jtY2o5GescY?t=18
Very cool...here's a video I shot of him performing Tendinitis from my crappy spot at my favorite venue...he did an hour long set like this, just a shred onslaught. Unfuckingbelievable.
https://www.facebook.com/oskirules/videos/1472697516161684 (https://www.facebook.com/oskirules/videos/1472697516161684)
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Didn't submit a list, but following. Of the final 6, I feel 3 who would be in my top 5 are locks, and am confident of a 4th who I just never listened to much. Of the other two, I have a guess as to only one of them, but making the list this high would surprise me.
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Lonestar, it says the video isn't available anymore
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Kev has run a number of these countdowns previously. Of the 6 remaining guitarists I wonder how many are from bands that have been featured in a previous countdown?
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Lonestar, it says the video isn't available anymore
Huh...that's weird.... try this maybe?
https://www.facebook.com/100002643496109/videos/1472697516161684/ (https://www.facebook.com/100002643496109/videos/1472697516161684/)
Someone wanna click it to verify it works? Except for Tim of course cause he doesn't have Facebook.
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DTF stands for Dis Tim's Facebook.
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Facebook sucks.
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What's Facebook?
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The new myspace.
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My list : 6/19
23. Randy Rhoads (#10)
22. Slash (#17)
21. Dave Mustaine (#22)
11. Adrian Smith (#12)
9. Joe Satriani (#9...nailed it.)
5. Stevie Ray Vaughan (#25)
Considered: Iommi, Vai, May, Hendrix, Murray, Knopfler, Matheos
Didn't considered: Govan, Howe, Blackmore, Tipton, M. Shenker, DeGarmo
Absolutely respect and appreciate both their output. Both would have definitely made a longer list for me.
The Main Axe Tracker
Gibson 58 pts (+19)
Fender 39 pts
Ibanez 35 pts (+18)
Jackson 18 pts
Red Special / Old Lady / Fireplace 15 pts
Charvel 13 pts
Hamer 6 pts
PRS 5 pts
ESP 2 pts
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Realized that the first exposure I had to Steve Vai was on the Bill and Ted’s Bogus Journey soundtrack. While he didn’t make my list, two other guitarists who featured on that soundtrack did!
Bill and Ted was so important to me as a kid! Party on dude!
Same dude. I couldn't imagine how many times I've watched both those movie.
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I didn't get my list in on time, but very suprised at lack of jazz/jazz-fusion players on the list. I like most of these guys but I'd take an hour of Matheny, Schofield, or the Cosmic John if I had a choice..
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So, is there anyone else with 3/19 or less? :biggrin:
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So, is there anyone else with 3/19 or less? :biggrin:
I still have fucking 1 dude!
What's Facebook?
Quality shitposting
Realized that the first exposure I had to Steve Vai was on the Bill and Ted’s Bogus Journey soundtrack. While he didn’t make my list, two other guitarists who featured on that soundtrack did!
Bill and Ted was so important to me as a kid! Party on dude!
Same dude. I couldn't imagine how many times I've watched both those movie.
I know, they were huge for me as a kid. The scene with Play With Me in the first film was just played over and over! I was always destined to be a metalhead. That Bohemian Rhapsody scene in Wayne's World also hooked me! I remember me and a buddy went dressed as Bill and Ted to a school non uniform day. Good Times.
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So, is there anyone else with 3/19 or less? :biggrin:
I still have fucking 1 dude!
:lol holy shit, that’s terrible.
I tried to send a PM to Stadler but the inbox is full :(
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What's Facebook?
Good answer, seriously. :tup
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So, is there anyone else with 3/19 or less? :biggrin:
I still have fucking 1 dude!
:lol holy shit, that’s terrible.
You're telling me :lol
It's not even as of I voted for a load of obscure guitarists! I reckon there's 11 on my list that very few would've voted for, and possibly (probably just me), about 12 I'd be very confident others had voted for, leaving just two that I thought were a complete shoe in for this.
1 is 100% making the list, the other I was confident all the way though this but the longer it goes on the less likely it's looking.
I reckon a few of mine just missed the cut, so looking forward to the full ranking of all guitarists submitted.
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I have two more on my list that I’m sure will be featured.
A couple more I would have expected by now.
And a bunch of people that have no chance to be in the top 6.
Still 3/19 seems like I’m disconnected from the rest of the forum :lol
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Still 3/19 seems like I’m disconnected from the rest of the forum :lol
I think you mean disconnected from the fogeys :neverusethis:
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I'm quite certain I know 5 of the remaining 6, and the 6th is a tossup between 2.
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Still 3/19 seems like I’m disconnected from the rest of the forum :lol
I think you mean disconnected from the fogeys :neverusethis:
(https://media.istockphoto.com/id/980293304/photo/angry-middle-finger-senior-man-portrait.jpg?s=612x612&w=0&k=20&c=Vz5kDrcYCVth1JQBZSblsHOlmvxfgz-YZHaPRb6C38E=)
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Iommi was always massive for me too. His riffs are undeniable but his lead work I've always been very fond of. He is very simple on that from using mainly pentatonics, with glimpses of the minor and blues scales, his knack for melody in his solos has always been top notch. I do find his lead playing for some reason in the Martin era a lot more appealing then the rest of his stuff. The platform of that style gave him a bit more room to breathe. Check out Born to Lose, Glory Ride, Ancient Warrior, Kill in the Spirit World, Immaculate Deception, Jerusalem etc, So much great lead playing. Although saying all that, two isolated songs which are probably his best are Lonely is the Word and Over and Over. Perfection and so much fun to jam and improvise over.
I don't even have to put the songs on to hear them in my head. Especially the ride out solo for Over and Over...I just focus a little and can hear every note, ever bend, every pick harmonic.
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Still 3/19 seems like I’m disconnected from the rest of the forum :lol
I think you mean disconnected from the fogeys :neverusethis:
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The power of the Fogey compels you!
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Still 3/19 seems like I’m disconnected from the rest of the forum :lol
I think you mean disconnected from the fogeys :neverusethis:
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The power of the Fogey compels you!
I will be evolving into a fogey in a matter of weeks. Hitting the big 4 - 0.
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Moving along...
06 Jimmy Page
Appeared on 20 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (Stadler, DragonAttack)
9 Top 10 Finishes
I had him 16th, but like Iommi, figured he was a lock for the top 10. LZ was great of course, and I always liked Page's style, which was so loose that he often sounded like he was on the verge of losing the plot, but he'd always find a way to keep it together. His lack of good songs post-LZ is quite shocking, but LZ's run alone is enough to make him a legend.
05 James Hetfield
Appeared on 18 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (nobloodyname, Adami)
10 Top 10 Finishes
To be honest, I didn't even consider Hetfield for my list. Even though he has some good lead stuff, I think of him as primarily a rhythm guitarist, albeit a great one. I about fell out of my chair when I saw he finished 5th, but I guess it shows how popular Metallica is on this forum.
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Yeah I'm a bit surprised to see Hetfield so high as well. Although I did rank him at 22.
Had Jimmy Page at 6, not only because I love his style of playing, his music, his jams, his solos, but because he is the quintessential guitar hero. He's Jimmy Fucking Page. No one else ever had a chance to look cool in the Dragon Suit except him. :lol
25 Stevie Ray Vaughan
24
23
22 James Hetfield
21
20
19 (Brian May)
18 Steve Howe
17 Glenn Tipton
16 Mark Knopfler
15 Ritchie Blackmore
14 Steve Vai
13 Joe Satriani
12
11
10 Toni Iommi
9 Jimi Hendrix
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7
6 Jimmy Page
5
4 Guthrie Goven
3 Michael Schenker
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Moving along...
06 Jimmy Page
Appeared on 20 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (Stadler, DragonAttack)
9 Top 10 Finishes
I had him 16th, but like Iommi, figured he was a lock for the top 10. LZ was great of course, and I always liked Page's style, which was so loose that he often sounded like he was on the verge of losing the plot, but he'd always find a way to keep it together. His lack of good songs post-LZ is quite shocking, but LZ's run alone is enough to make him a legend.
05 James Hetfield
Appeared on 18 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (nobloodyname, Adami)
10 Top 10 Finishes
To be honest, I didn't even consider Hetfield for my list. Even though he has some good lead stuff, I think of him as primarily a rhythm guitarist, albeit a great one. I about fell out of my chair when I saw he finished 5th, but I guess it shows how popular Metallica is on this forum.
I hemmed and hawed on this, but I think I'm happy I didn't submit a list, as all but a few of my selections wouldn't have appeared anywhere on this thread (Adrian Utley, anyone?).
I think I tend to get caught up in semantics—the thread is titled, "Top 25 FAVORITE Guitarists"
There's no specification as to whether they play lead or rhythm, and frankly, I don't really think about any of that when thinking about what makes a great guitarist. For that reason, Hetfield would have made my list on the strength of his overall playing, which is tighter than, well, I'll spare you the euphemism.
That said, for a DT-centered community, it makes complete sense that the vast majority of this discussion has revolved around lead-playing and 'solos.' It just leaves little room for guys (and gals) like Lindsey Buckingham, Ben Howard, etc.
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I had Page at #8 and Hetfield at #16. Hetfield can be a bit underrated, actually. His rhythm is obviously groundbreaking, but his occasional leads are really well crafted, melodic and touching.
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That said, for a DT-centered community, it makes complete sense that the vast majority of this discussion has revolved around lead-playing and 'solos.' It just leaves little room for guys (and gals) like Lindsey Buckingham, Ben Howard, etc.
DTwwbwMP, Dave_Manchester and I get to do a group high five as the three smart people :P here who had Buckingham in our top 25s. :biggrin: :biggrin:
(OMG, SPOTLIGHTING!!!)
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There we go, Hetfield was my dark horse that I didn’t think would show up at this point. That makes 4 on my list!
19. Guthrie Govan
16. Brian May
15. Mr. Likely to be Featured
7. James Hetfield
5. Jimi Hendrix
2. mr. Will Show Up Eventually
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Jimmy Page didn't make the cut. I think he has some great riffs but I haven't really been too impressed with any of the live videos I've seen of him. There is just so much sloppiness that swagger can push that through.
Hetfield was number 11. When I got into Metallica Kirk was the guitar hero but after sometime I realized the true MVP is James.
25. Joe Satriani
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17.Steve Vai
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11. James Hetfield
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8. Mark Knopfler
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1. Guthrie Govan
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I just want to say, I'm enjoying other poster's lists. The differences are fun and fascinating.
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Jimmy Page is the classic case of if this was a most important or most influential guitarist list, then I would rank him, but he's just not a personal favorite of mine, so I didn't rank him.
I had Hetfield at #9. The guy is a beast.
My list so far..
25. Scott Gorham
24. Brian May
23. Jannick Gers
22. Dave Mustaine
21. Malcolm Young
20. Brian Robertson
19. Ace Frehley
18. Kai Hansen
17.
16. Randy Rhoads
15. Vinnie Moore
14. Dave Menniketti
13. Dave Prichard
12. Tony Iommi
11. Paul Chapman
10.
9. James Hetfield
8. Dave Murray
7. Adrian Smith
6. Richie Blackmore
5. Wolf Hoffman
4.
3.
2.
1. Michael Schenker
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Hetfield #20 for me. Add me to the "Surprised he finished so high" list. I expected him to be included, but more in the bottom 5 rather than the top 5.
Page is a hell of a player, but I never considered Zeppelin a favorite band, and I'm not very familiar with his other work, so he never even crossed my mind.
25. Ritchie Blackmore
24. (Guess he won't make it)
23. (Doubt it)
22. (Unknown)
21. Glen Tipton
20. James Hetfield
19. (Unknown)
18. (Short playing career, no way)
17. (Nope)
16. (Nope)
15. (At this point, no way)
14. (Nope)
13. (Nope)
12. (Not going to show up, I thought it would)
11. (Nope)
10. (Nope)
9. (Nope)
8. (Nope)
7. Randy Rhoads
6. (Nope)
5. (75% sure he'll make it)
4. (At this point, I doubt it)
3. (No way it'll make the list)
2. (Soon)
1. (Probably only showed up on my list)
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Didn't have Page but had Het #2 (foiled by Adami and nobloodyname). Het is awesome in every way.
TAC, nice seeing Wolf on your list. He's high on mine as well.
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Also, I wanted to discuss this issue of "sloppiness." It just doesn't compute with me and I just wonder if it's a generational thing. I'd never once expected a guitarist to play a lead note perfect to a studio recording nor had I ever heard of that expectation until around 2006 when I started reading music forums. All my life I read from and listened to my guitar heros (Page, Hendrix, Gilmour, Buck Dharma, Schenker and to a smaller extent Iommi) change up and or play in the moment to a loose framework around solo spots. Improvisation playing was highly admired.
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TAC, nice seeing Wolf on your list. He's high on mine as well.
YES!!
He has a unique tone that gives me goosebumps. I've been a huge Accept fan since I was about 14/15. Even the modern day Accept is excellent.
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Page is a hell of a player, but I never considered Zeppelin a favorite band, and I'm not very familiar with his other work, so he never even crossed my mind.
Hmmm, this makes me realize that LZ has never been a top 10 LZ band for me, yet Page still ranked 16th for me (and Bonham would be top 5 for me for drummers and JPJ would be top 10 for bass players). Contrast that to a band like Blue Oyster Cult, where no one from the band except Buck Dharma (who was top 10 for me in this) would be a favorite on their respective instruments, yet they are a top 10 all-time band for me.
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Ah, that stinks. Hetfield takes the mystery 6th spot that I couldn’t see an obvious fit for. Means my number 1 probably doesn’t make it, which is kind of a surprise since I know there are other fans here. Sadness!
Page I anticipated, and while I enjoyed getting reacquainted with LZ during their recent countdown, I’ve never been wild about his playing. I do really like his work on the In Through The Out Door album though.
Still 0-for on the countdown. I know for certain I have 2 of the remaining 4, and most likely 3 unless there is another big surprise I’m missing.
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Also, I wanted to discuss this issue of "sloppiness." It just doesn't compute with me and I just wonder if it's a generational thing. I'd never once expected a guitarist to play a lead note perfect to a studio recording nor had I ever heard of that expectation until around 2006 when I started reading music forums. All my life I read from and listened to my guitar heros (Page, Hendrix, Gilmour, Buck Dharma, Schenker and to a smaller extent Iommi) change up and or play in the moment to a loose framework around solo spots. Improvisation playing was highly admired.
I called Page's playing "loose," which I think is fitting. I think the sloppy label comes from the younger generation who is used to the wave of guitar players who are uber focused on playing every note just right instead of just playing and letting it rip. This could extend to the chatter we've had in the DT forum over the last year where some of us feel that the band is too focused now on getting everything exactly right at their shows instead of being a bit more loose and free where (OMG) a mistake or two might happen.
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Page is a hell of a player, but I never considered Zeppelin a favorite band, and I'm not very familiar with his other work, so he never even crossed my mind.
Hmmm, this makes me realize that LZ has never been a top 10 LZ band for me, yet Page still ranked 16th for me (and Bonham would be top 5 for me for drummers and JPJ would be top 10 for bass players). Contrast that to a band like Blue Oyster Cult, where no one from the band except Buck Dharma (who was top 10 for me in this) would be a favorite on their respective instruments, yet they are a top 10 all-time band for me.
Are these the next two countdowns? We gonna make the consensus DTF band?
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Page is a hell of a player, but I never considered Zeppelin a favorite band, and I'm not very familiar with his other work, so he never even crossed my mind.
Hmmm, this makes me realize that LZ has never been a top 10 LZ band for me, yet Page still ranked 16th for me (and Bonham would be top 5 for me for drummers and JPJ would be top 10 for bass players). Contrast that to a band like Blue Oyster Cult, where no one from the band except Buck Dharma (who was top 10 for me in this) would be a favorite on their respective instruments, yet they are a top 10 all-time band for me.
Are these the next two countdowns? We gonna make the consensus DTF band?
I will answer that on Friday. :lol :P
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Hey, I got one! I had Papa Het at #3. Not a lot that hasn't already been said about him. He is responsible for some of the most important riffs I've ever had the pleasure of hearing.
My first draft actually also had Page in the 20s, but unfortunately he didn't make the final cut.
25. [Zero chance, but maybe he might have a vote from someone else]
24. [One for the melodic death metal fans. Possibly made Kade's if it was top 50]
23. [Only in a parallel universe where you all have better taste]
22. [Guitarist in a few classic extreme bands]
21. [Another melodeath guitarist, yikes]
20. [Only really love him for one album, but boy is it a good one. Will definitely have made other lists]
19. [No chance]
18. [Never gonna make the list but I thought his band mate might]
17. [Speedy power metal shredder]
16. [Over criticised? Possibly but so influential]
15. [Godfather of death metal?]
14. [Creator of some of thrash's darkest songs]
13. [Speedy power metal shredder 2.0]
12. [No one else would've had him, he's a fucking punk rock guitarist]
11. [Should've made the list]
10. [This guy can do it all, and is underrated as a guitarist]
9. [Riff master extraordinaire. Should've made the list]
8. [Band mate of #9. His solos are like nothing else, transcendental]
7. [Generally not loved for his guitar work, but a beast nonetheless]
6. [Probably on everyone's list]
5. Dave Mustaine
4. [RIP. Just incredible guitarist and vocalist]
3. James Hetfield
2. [The only other one that should make the final list]
1. [My favourite, for all the music he's written as well as his skill on guitar]
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Also, I wanted to discuss this issue of "sloppiness." It just doesn't compute with me and I just wonder if it's a generational thing. I'd never once expected a guitarist to play a lead note perfect to a studio recording nor had I ever heard of that expectation until around 2006 when I started reading music forums. All my life I read from and listened to my guitar heros (Page, Hendrix, Gilmour, Buck Dharma, Schenker and to a smaller extent Iommi) change up and or play in the moment to a loose framework around solo spots. Improvisation playing was highly admired.
I'm one that would say Page's playing in a live setting is sloppy, at least sometimes, and at 53 I'm more fogey than most here probably.
I have absolutely no problem with improvising, in fact I like it, when it's done right. Change the melody, change the solo, insert a jam part, alle good. But what I mean is, that Page (sometimes) just isn't in time, he's behind the beat, but not in a good way, more like he's too slow for the tempo tries to catch up, but doesn't manage to. And the you have an iconic solo like Stairway To Heaven and how often has he butchered that thing? If he plays something else, it's okay, but if he just badly executes the original, that's what I call sloppy. I don't think Page was much for rehearsing his parts.
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Had Page listed, didn't even consider Hetfield.
I'm 99% sure of the remaining four, so I'll drop some more of my players, skipping over one of those remaining guys. Can't say I'm surprised a single woman didn't make the list, but it does kind of suck that so many brilliant players are so unkown.
25. [nope]
Jason Richardson - solo
24. [skilled, but probably not]
Tom Morello - Rage Against the Machine
23. [only nominee to have a Super Bowl ring, won't make the list]
Nita Strauss - Alice Cooper, Demi Lavato, Solo
22. [youngest nominee, probably of all the people at 20, but won't be listed]
Haruka Noma, AKA Hal CA- Asterism - 20 years old, and has been with the same two guys in the band Asterism for 7 years already. They're an instrumental trio, and are just fucking sick when it comes to playing chops. I'll straight up go on record as saying that she is the best guitarist of her generation, period. She can shred like no other, she does rhythm, she has a tremendous amount of soul to her playing that totally belies someone of her young years, and her stage presence is immense for someone who's barely 5' tall. I beg of all of you to watch this kid in action, in this clip she's 18.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkiKSBX8JPA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkiKSBX8JPA)
21. Jimi Page [I'll be shocked if he isn't there]
20. Jimi Hendrix [97% sure he'll be there]
19. [most kuwaii nominee, won't make the list]
Tomo Zo - Gacharic Spin - Yeah, she wears absolutely insane Japanese kuwaii dresses. Yeah, there's a silly fantasy song of hers on every album. And yeah, she has a perpetual, adorable grin on her face constantly when she's playing. But beneath those trappings is someone who is thoroughly fluent in every playing method, and who along with their bassist does most of the heavy lifting for the most musically diverse band on the planet.
18. [nope, even though I listen to his solo work a few times a day at least]
Samuel Ermallini - Pyramid Theorem - This dude's solo from Another Day Slips By has been my phone's ringtone for over ten years, that alone is worthy of inclusion on the list. Anyone who knows of Sam's work knows he has the chops to be in any top guitarists discussion, even though the band doesn't have the footprint that others do.
17. Brian May [should make it]
16. Guthrie Govan [definitely in the best ever discussion, doubt he'll make the list though]
15. [same as 16, will definitely make the final list]
14. [48% chance, definitely worthy though]
Tommy Shaw - Styx - An unparalleled combination of frontman and guitarist. He's such an immense presence in the band, and to me will always be the heart of Styx.
13. [basically invented heavy metal, won't be on the list]
Dave Davies - The Kinks - He took a razor blade to his speaker cone, and changed guitar playing forever. While I'm sure someone would've done something similar eventually, he was the first to distort his tone, and take those steps towards what would eventually become the heart of the heavy metal sound. Those openening riffs on You Really Got Me changed music forever. Also, since I've seen the Kinks over ten times, I can say he's a favorite for many reasons other than that, just a great player in a legendary band.
12. [second best song writer on my list, and a brilliant soloist, she won't be listed]
Kanami Tono - BAND-MAID - I honestly think the cute maid outfits do this band a disservice in diminishing how absolutely incredible a rock band they are, and the heart of the band is Kanami. She's a brilliant player, with Miku handling rhythm duties, it frees up Kanami to dance all around the songs, but with determination and purpose. It's really magical to see how intricate she is to their music, which makes sense since she also is their primary composer, delivering what I will say is some of the best quality hard rock being produced today.
11. [I'll be fucking crushed if he doesn't make the final list]
10. [most brutal player I nominated, won't be on the final list]
9. [if everyone heard her work, she'd make the finals]
8. [stone cold lock for the top 5]
7. [probably top 5, definitely 10]
6. [I'm on the fence, will get a few nominations, but they'll all be top ten at least, may make the list[
5. [tragically won't make the list]
4. [if King and Jingle did this, he might have had a chance]
3. [lock]
2. Steve Howe
1. [I'll put him at 42% to make the final list]
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Jimmy Page at 10. He's a legend and I spent countless hours being mesmerized by his guitar parts and solos on all the LZ records. But yes, I would call him sloppy sometimes (see above.)
James Hetfield, not ranked, let me quote myself:
22 Scott Ian (as the quintessential metal rhythm guitar player, I could have chosen Hetfield, but I like Anthrax better)
That said, I got no problem that Hetfield is on this list but I'm really surprised he's this high.
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12. [second best song writer on my list, and a brilliant soloist, she won't be listed]
Kanami Tono - BAND-MAID - I honestly think the cute maid outfits do this band a disservice in diminishing how absolutely incredible a rock band they are,
You know, they're not even cute, they're just fucking weird at this point. I dive into them quite a bit during my roulette. Domination was one of the best songs I was sent. I really wish they'd just ditch the maid outfits. Only three of them wear them anyway.
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Jimmy Page at 10. He's a legend and I spent countless hours being mesmerized by his guitar parts and solos on all the LZ records. But yes, I would call him sloppy sometimes (see above.)
James Hetfield, not ranked, let me quote myself:
22 Scott Ian (as the quintessential metal rhythm guitar player, I could have chosen Hetfield, but I like Anthrax better)
That said, I got no problem that Hetfield is on this list but I'm really surprised he's this high.
I saw Scott Iam on your list the other day and I meant to comment. I'm glad to see him listed. Rhythm guitarists are too easily overlooked sometimes.
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25. ??
24. ??
23. ??
22. ??
21. ??
20. ??
19. Tony Iommi
18. Jimmy Page
17. ??
16. ??
15. ??
14. ??
13. ??
12. ??
11. Stevie Ray Vaughan
10. ??
9. ??
8. Brian May
7. ??
6. Randy Rhoads
5. ??
4. ??
3. ??
2. ??
1. James Hetfield
2/2 today! Wooo!
Page, well it's all been said.
For my list, I didn't care about how technical they are, how deeply innovative they are, how much they changed music forever, or how many solos they did. I mostly cared about one thing. Does this person make me want to pick up a guitar and play/write? And no one makes me want to pick up a guitar more than James Hetfield. I've been a die hard Metallica fan since I was like 12 years old and he's the reason I play guitar in the first place. He was always going to be my number 1.
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Had Page listed, didn't even consider Hetfield.
25.
24.
23.
22. Joe Satriani
21.
20.
19.
18.
17.
16.
15.
14.
13.
12.
11. Jimmy Page
10.
9. Jim Matheos
8.
7. Tony Iommi
6.
5. Guthrie Govan
4.
3. Ritchie Blackmore
2. Mark Knopfler
1.
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Page is great but didn’t make my list.
Papa Het was my #5. Best rhythm player in the business. His playing continues to impress me while my opinion of Kirk has lessened over time.
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Moving along...
06 Jimmy Page
Appeared on 20 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (Stadler, DragonAttack)
9 Top 10 Finishes
I had him 16th, but like Iommi, figured he was a lock for the top 10. LZ was great of course, and I always liked Page's style, which was so loose that he often sounded like he was on the verge of losing the plot, but he'd always find a way to keep it together. His lack of good songs post-LZ is quite shocking, but LZ's run alone is enough to make him a legend.
05 James Hetfield
Appeared on 18 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (nobloodyname, Adami)
10 Top 10 Finishes
To be honest, I didn't even consider Hetfield for my list. Even though he has some good lead stuff, I think of him as primarily a rhythm guitarist, albeit a great one. I about fell out of my chair when I saw he finished 5th, but I guess it shows how popular Metallica is on this forum.
I had Page at # 11. There was a long time when Zeppelin was my favorite band, and I still prefer them to their contemporaries like the Who, the Stones, or even the Beatles. Page was a large part of that, but so were all the other members.
I had Hetfield unranked, and not even considered, just like Kev. Undeniably a great riff writer, but that's about the extent of my view of him in the context of ranking amongst other guitarists.
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Hetfield landed at #10 for me (very pleasantly surprised to see him finish this high on the overall list, I doubted he'd make it at all) and Jimmy one spot above Jimi at #18.
25.
24.
23.
22.
21.
20.
19.
18. Jimmy Page
17. Jimi Hendrix
16.
15.
14. Joe Satriani
13.
12. Brian May
11.
10. James Hetfield
9.
8. Steve Vai
7. Slash
6.
5.
4.
3.
2.
1. Mark Knopfler
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Page would've been top 3 (prolly #2) for my list. Never even would've considered Hetfield. And knowing the list of names that will NOT make this list now is shocking.
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25. Steve Howe
24. [Possible shot; should be, given the forum]
23. [Possible shot; should be, given the forum]
22. Malcolm Young [Probably not at this point]
21. [No way in hell, and that's a shame]
20. Ace Frehley [I think this might be Animal's No. 13; he blows, but I love him anyway]
19. [100% given]
18. Stevie Ray Vaughan
17. [Never in a million years. Very good, very tasteful, but not a genre this forum dips into much]
16. Paul Chapman [Never in a million years. He replaced a guy that is on the list but criminally too low, so this guy has no shot]
15. [Should be but probably not; worthy, but doesn't get much respect for also replacing someone on this list]
14. [Should be, may be]
13. [Probably not; should get a lot more respect than he does, but I think this forum shits on him]
12. Tony Iommi [97%; this is the guy that invented heavy metal, not Dave Davies. :)]
11. [Never in a million years; I think this forum will consider him a joke, sadly.]
10. [Belongs, but may not have enough legs even though he influenced this lists' likely no. 1]
9. [Never in a million years; way underrated, going to be jinxed by the music he plays, not how he plays it]
8. [100% chance; will probably be in the top three]
7. Dave Murray
6. Michael Schenker
5. Randy Rhoads
4. [Should be; he's the guitar player on what I know to be at least three people here's favorite record of all time]
3. [Should be a given]
2. Jimmy Page [Should be a given, may be overlooked]
1. Ritchie Blackmore
26. Brian May
29. Mark Knopfler
30. Saul "Slash" Hudson
36. James Hetfield
41. Jimi Hendrix
47. Glenn Tipton
NR: Chris DeGarmo
NR: Guthrie Goven
NR: Jim Matheos
NR: Dave Mustaine
NR: Joe Satriani
NR: Adrian Smith
NR: Steve Vai
I sent a prediction for the remaining six to a couple people: two for two on that (even if it doesn't match my list). So there!
Page, what can I say... I think the sloppiness comments miss the entire point of Page specifically and Led Zeppelin in general. My single greatest concert moment is Page and Plant in New Jersey, during "The Song Remains The Same". It was TRANSCENDENT. I literally didn't know where I was for six minutes, as I was transported by the music. My buddy that was with me turned to me and said "what the fuck just happened?" (We were both relatively sober). His playing just took that entire arena to a different level. I think "perfect was the enemy of good" in Zeppelin; the idea wasn't to be note perfect, it was to create a living, breathing entity that was bigger than the four players in the room. I also think that's why only Plant has been able to achieve any real level of success after, and it wasn't the same; he was specifically NOT trying to duplicate what Zeppelin did.
I think the sliding in and out of time - almost always in cahoots with Bonham - is what made Zeppelin "Zeppelin". Most Zep covers suck, because they miss that point. They are too "straight". I remember seeing Temple Of The Dog play "Achilles Last Stand" and Matt Cameron (drummer) got it. That song breathed and ebbed and flowed in time, and they nailed it. Dave Manchester has frequently cited a track - I know it was from "How The West Was Won", I think the song was "Heartbreaker" - that perfectly illustrates that facet of Zeppelin.
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James Hetfield (my #20). Just because his super strength quality as a composer and rhythm guitar player. Even so, thinking better, I should ranked him at #25, since he can't really play guitar solos and it's also an important factor that I cared in my valuation.
Jimmy Page (my#6). The incredible LZ's discography says it all. Yeah, it's disappointing his absence of work after that, the The Firm and Page/Plant studio albums aren't that great, but I still think his solo album Outrider and Coverdale/Page are really strong and amazing, in this order.
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So, 21 have been revealed thus far. Of which I had 6 ranked.
I suspect that I have at least 13 left on my list that have no chance of appearing. Possibly more.
Are there any more Iron Maiden guitarists that haven't made the lineup yet?
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Glad to see James Hetfield make the list. I ended up not submitting a list. I was on vacation and totally forgot to get my list in. James is my number 1, and always will be. Obviously one of the best metal rhythm players, but his leads are so memorable too, along with the harmony stuff. Also, he just looked so damn cool playing all those ESP explorers back in the late 80's and 90's, with his stance. I still have my black ESP LTD EXP-200 that my parents got me for Christmas in '95. James and Billy Corgan are the main reasons I started playing guitar in the first place.
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Glad to see James Hetfield make the list. I ended up not submitting a list. I was on vacation and totally forgot to get my list in. James is my number 1, and always will be. Obviously one of the best metal rhythm players, but his leads are so memorable too, along with the harmony stuff. Also, he just looked so damn cool playing all those ESP explorers back in the late 80's and 90's, with his stance. I still have my black ESP LTD EXP-200 that my parents got me for Christmas in '95. James and Billy Corgan are the main reasons I started playing guitar in the first place.
I think it's safe to say he's not making it at this point, but Billy Corgan was on my list!
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06 Jimmy Page
Appeared on 20 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (Stadler, DragonAttack)
9 Top 10 Finishes
I had him 16th, but like Iommi, figured he was a lock for the top 10. LZ was great of course, and I always liked Page's style, which was so loose that he often sounded like he was on the verge of losing the plot, but he'd always find a way to keep it together. His lack of good songs post-LZ is quite shocking, but LZ's run alone is enough to make him a legend.
05 James Hetfield
Appeared on 18 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (nobloodyname, Adami)
10 Top 10 Finishes
To be honest, I didn't even consider Hetfield for my list. Even though he has some good lead stuff, I think of him as primarily a rhythm guitarist, albeit a great one. I about fell out of my chair when I saw he finished 5th, but I guess it shows how popular Metallica is on this forum.
I was starting to wonder if we'd see Hetfiled. He's an amazing rhythm player, and I had him at 17 (and his bandmate at 19).
Looks like I saved my ranking engine list but not the actual rankings, so I'm not sure where Page ended up outside my top 25 (I considered a total of 41 players). I image he was pretty close to the top 25 (although I enjoy him more as a composer than a player).
10/21 so far.
25. Michael Schenker
24. [no way]
23. [no way]
22. [no way]
21. [maybe?...losing hope]
20. [no way]
19. Kirk Hammett
18. [no way (also on my vocalist list)]
17. James Hetfield
16. [probably not...downgrading this to no way]
15. Tony Iommi
14. [almost certainly won't]
13. [no way...see #11]
12. Ritchie Blackmore
11. [no way...band is WAY underrated around here]
10. Dave Murray
9. Glenn Tipton
8. [REALLY should but probably won't...also top 10 on my vocalist list]
7. Adrian Smith
6. Chris DeGarmo
5. Steve Howe
4. [not happening]
3. [stone cold lock]
2. Jim Matheos
1. [if he doesn't, I'm revolting]
4 spots left. I've got three that I'm 99% sure about, one that I'd probably peg at 75-80%. If my 75-80% guy doesn't show up, I'll be surprised and completely in the dark about who gets the 4th spot. If I'm right, I'll end up with 12/25.
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Are there any more Iron Maiden guitarists that haven't made the lineup yet?
Technically 2, but really 1, but neither is making the list (and I'd bet $1 that the one guy who got some votes probably finished at least 10 spots out of the top 25).
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Are there any more Iron Maiden guitarists that haven't made the lineup yet?
Technically 2, but really 1, but neither is making the list (and I'd bet $1 that the one guy who got some votes probably finished at least 10 spots out of the top 25).
I had him at #23.
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Delighted to see James Hetfield make the list and as high as he did, too. That downpicking. Those rhythms. And the singing's great for the genre of music, too. Oh, and he's co-founder of one of the biggest bands ever to have played on this pale blue dot. An iconic player.
Page made the grade, too.
Can't see CC DeVille appearing now(!) so I think I've only got one guitarist left who I'm 100% certain will appear. But they're not my favourite guitarist. No, that honour belongs to Papa Het.
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Nigel Tufnel better be on this list.
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Are there any more Iron Maiden guitarists that haven't made the lineup yet?
Technically 2, but really 1, but neither is making the list (and I'd bet $1 that the one guy who got some votes probably finished at least 10 spots out of the top 25).
I had him at #23.
Jeez, I was kind of kidding lol
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:lol
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Vai - pretty big influence early on, has waned somewhat over the years, but is still on my honorable mentions
Iommi - solid player, quite innovative, just not a personal favorite
Page - similar to Iommi
Hetfield - certainly one of the strongest candidates for primarily making it as a rhythm player, though ultimately I decided against that. Also probably responsible for my interest in Z-shaped guitars.
Still 3/19 seems like I’m disconnected from the rest of the forum :lol
I'm still at 1/21. I think I'll end up at 3/25 unless something goes horribly awry.
There's no specification as to whether they play lead or rhythm, and frankly, I don't really think about any of that when thinking about what makes a great guitarist. For that reason, Hetfield would have made my list on the strength of his overall playing, which is tighter than, well, I'll spare you the euphemism.
That said, for a DT-centered community, it makes complete sense that the vast majority of this discussion has revolved around lead-playing and 'solos.' It just leaves little room for guys (and gals) like Lindsey Buckingham, Ben Howard, etc.
For me a rhythm specialist is an incomplete player, just as would be for a lead specialist. Rhythm usually makes up a much higher percentage of runtime for the average song though, so you could argue it's more important, although a lot of songs sound blander without a solo (depending upon style, of course). Some people blur the two together, of course. But my own list tends to have people who are good at both rhythm and lead, who aren't straight-ahead genre players, but can blend other flavors into their playing, and are also good with acoustic guitars.
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Hetfield is amazing buy I didn't rank him. Page, I've never cared for. I just don't think he's that good.
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I am finally seeing why I was so lost as to who most of the Top 10 players would be.
Though I quite like a lot of LZ songs (and love Stairway, Achilles and No Quarter), I am not all that wild about Page's guitar playing. He really is sloppy - and not in the "he just improvises a lot" way, more in "he plays like he is drunk and can't quite hit the right notes at the right time" way. That being said, he did contribute quit a few iconic riffs and solos.
Hetfield is a great musician but his not making a singer¨s countdown and finishing this high in a guitarist countdown really baffles me.
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06 Jimmy Page
Appeared on 20 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (Stadler, DragonAttack)
9 Top 10 Finishes
05 James Hetfield
Appeared on 18 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (nobloodyname, Adami)
10 Top 10 Finishes
Jimmy Page - number 21 on my list. Some amazing riffs and solos, had to be there.
James Hetfield - My rank 4. Really surprised James finished this high overall though, I thought he might not make it. Just an incredible rhythm player and his leads are really melodic, just love his style and has been one of the biggest influences in my musical journey. I basically pick up a guitar everyday and pretty much always play a Metallica riff at some stage.
12 out of 21.
Four more to go. Three I am 100% certain of (these 3 I ranked) and the other probably 90% sure will be there (I didn't rank this person though).
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I think the sliding in and out of time - almost always in cahoots with Bonham - is what made Zeppelin "Zeppelin". Most Zep covers suck, because they miss that point. They are too "straight". I remember seeing Temple Of The Dog play "Achilles Last Stand" and Matt Cameron (drummer) got it. That song breathed and ebbed and flowed in time, and they nailed it. Dave Manchester has frequently cited a track - I know it was from "How The West Was Won", I think the song was "Heartbreaker" - that perfectly illustrates that facet of Zeppelin.
I'll answer your PM here (doing fine, thanks for asking; still waiting for this skirmish with Ukraine to be over) - it was the section that begins from the "Do you remember, mama, when I knocked upon your door?" part of Since I've Been Loving You, and it concerned Bonham's drumming. I've time-stamped it here:
https://youtu.be/4-J_s6S7TsU?t=346
I made a thread at Portnoy's place back in the day asking the Learned Drummers of the Forum, of which there were many, what on earth Bonham was doing, because in comparison to the studio recording it sounded to my untrained ears like he was always just about on the edge of losing control of what he was playing, especially during the "I've been working from seven, seven, seven..." section. It sounded great but somehow 'off' to me, like the whole thing was teetering on the verge of falling apart, and what with the reasonable chance Bonham was shitfaced throughout the concert I never quite knew if he was intending what he was playing. But the aforementioned Learned Drummers assured me he had it all under control and was in fact doing something rather great (I forget exactly what it was, I'm a numbskull when it comes to music theory).
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Nigel Tufnel better be on this list.
I have him at #11 :metal
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:lol Outstanding!
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One of the biggest factors for Het is his songwriting in addition to the playing.
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As a non-Metallica guy, I’d say Hetfield is a much better guitarist than singer.
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Nigel Tufnel better be on this list.
I have him at #11 :metal
:heart
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Nigel Tufnel better be on this list.
I have him at #11 :metal
:heart
I probably should have put David St. Hubbins on my singers list
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25. Steve Howe
24. [Possible shot; should be, given the forum]
23. [Possible shot; should be, given the forum]
22. Malcolm Young [Probably not at this point]
21. [No way in hell, and that's a shame]
20. Ace Frehley [I think this might be Animal's No. 13; he blows, but I love him anyway]
19. [100% given]
18. Stevie Ray Vaughan
17. [Never in a million years. Very good, very tasteful, but not a genre this forum dips into much]
16. Paul Chapman [Never in a million years. He replaced a guy that is on the list but criminally too low, so this guy has no shot]
15. [Should be but probably not; worthy, but doesn't get much respect for also replacing someone on this list]
14. [Should be, may be]
13. [Probably not; should get a lot more respect than he does, but I think this forum shits on him]
12. Tony Iommi [97%; this is the guy that invented heavy metal, not Dave Davies. :)]
11. [Never in a million years; I think this forum will consider him a joke, sadly.]
10. [Belongs, but may not have enough legs even though he influenced this lists' likely no. 1]
9. [Never in a million years; way underrated, going to be jinxed by the music he plays, not how he plays it]
8. [100% chance; will probably be in the top three]
7. Dave Murray
6. Michael Schenker
5. Randy Rhoads
4. [Should be; he's the guitar player on what I know to be at least three people here's favorite record of all time]
3. [Should be a given]
2. Jimmy Page [Should be a given, may be overlooked]
1. Ritchie Blackmore
26. Brian May
29. Mark Knopfler
30. Saul "Slash" Hudson
36. James Hetfield
41. Jimi Hendrix
47. Glenn Tipton
NR: Chris DeGarmo
NR: Guthrie Goven
NR: Jim Matheos
NR: Dave Mustaine
NR: Joe Satriani
NR: Adrian Smith
NR: Steve Vai
I sent a prediction for the remaining six to a couple people: two for two on that (even if it doesn't match my list). So there!
I'm presuming then that your 8 and number 19 are two of the remaining 4 guitarists in your prediction? You have a number of comments saying 'Should be' and 'possible shot' compared to the number of guitarist left to come?
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Steve Vai is along the same lines as Satch for me, much respect but mostly not my bag.
Iommi might have ended up on my list, but probably more towards the back half. An immense figure in the history of rock/metal, but I'd say I really like Sabbath more than I love Sabbath.
Jimmy Page would have been way up there for me. Zeppelin was everything to me for a stretch in high school. I only lasted one lesson with my first guitar teacher, but at least he told me to go out and buy Are You Experienced and Led Zeppelin II. I even love how loose he played live, I dig most of How the West Was Won.
I don't know if I would have thought to put Papa Het on my list, but he would definitely deserve to be up there. To say he's a great rhythm player or a great riff writer is a gross understatement. It's like saying Joe is great at butchering the English language... yes it's technically true but you're not fully appreciating the mastery and artistry this person is capable of. Not to mention, the few solos he has played are some of the more memorable Metallica solos (First MoP solo, NEM solo).
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sorry Kev.
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I see my post yesterday about having the courtesy to wait till Friday to list your guitarists that didn't make the top 25 went over well.
*shakes head*
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12. [second best song writer on my list, and a brilliant soloist, she won't be listed]
Kanami Tono - BAND-MAID - I honestly think the cute maid outfits do this band a disservice in diminishing how absolutely incredible a rock band they are,
You know, they're not even cute, they're just fucking weird at this point. I dive into them quite a bit during my roulette. Domination was one of the best songs I was sent. I really wish they'd just ditch the maid outfits. Only three of them wear them anyway.
It's funny, in the beginning all five of them had them, and everyone except Miku and Kanami have slowly, bit by bit, ditched them over the years. When singer Saiki was first offered a spot on the band, the outfits were the last thing she was told about, and she almost said fuck it on the spot. :lol
I actually wish the whole lot of the Jmetal bands would ditch the gimmiky shit. Even Nemophila fell for it for a spell, but managed to distance themselves from it for the last tour. I guess in Japan that's the thing though, every band has it in some level or another. As long as the music kicks ass, I really don't give a fuck how they present themselves tbh.
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I see my post yesterday about having the courtesy to wait till Friday to list your guitarists that didn't make the top 25 went over well.
*shakes head*
Deleted my last post.
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Eh, it doesn't really matter at this point. A bunch of others have done it already as well, so the horse is out of the barn. I might as well just post all top 4 tomorrow and be done with it.
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I see my post yesterday about having the courtesy to wait till Friday to list your guitarists that didn't make the top 25 went over well.
*shakes head*
Yeah, not sure many people read that Kev. People jumping the gun trying to justify how awesome there own list is and why each guitarist on their list 'should have made it' when the countdown isn't finished. Seems very different to how these countdowns normally work.
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I see my post yesterday about having the courtesy to wait till Friday to list your guitarists that didn't make the top 25 went over well.
*shakes head*
Yeah, not sure many people read that Kev. People jumping the gun trying to justify how awesome there own list is and why each guitarist on their list 'should have made it' when the countdown isn't finished. Seems very different to how these countdowns normally work.
Yep, almost everyone has been good about it in the prior countdowns (the initial DT top 100 being an exception), so not sure why so many are disregarding the request this time, but whatever. It is creating good chatter, which ultimately is the whole point of these threads, so that is good, but it's just disappointing that so many are basically saying fuck it to a simple request and doing it anyway. That's the internet for ya.
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While I deleted my list a few pages ago out of courtesy and respect for Kev and his work in this thread, I will say that, from my point of view, creating more chatter and discussion in the thread is more important and beneficial than trying to create tension when a lot of people in the thread said they know for sure who made the Top 4 and the only question is the order they'll appear.
That being said, I don't think you should post the Top 4 together and be done with it, because posting them separately will create more chatter and discussion in the thread. :)
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Your thread, your rules I suppose. But not being allowed to talk about guitarists that almost certainly won't make the list sucks a lot of fun out of it for me.
So, thanks for the time you invested, but I'm out of here.
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Eh, it doesn't really matter at this point. A bunch of others have done it already as well, so the horse is out of the barn. I might as well just post all top 4 tomorrow and be done with it.
Why is it such a big issue for you that people discuss musicians that have literally ZERO percent chance of being the final few remaining. Like others (and yourself) said, the point of a discussion forum is DISCUSSION, no? What does it matter if that discussion is today, or on Saturday? Geez, all you’re really doing is taking away the discussion around the top two, as people will be eager to post their own full list, and discuss who didn’t make it as soon as the list is done.
No need to take your toys and go home when things aren’t done your way.
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While I deleted my list a few pages ago out of courtesy and respect for Kev and his work in this thread, I will say that, from my point of view, creating more chatter and discussion in the thread is more important and beneficial than trying to create tension when a lot of people in the thread said they know for sure who made the Top 4 and the only question is the order they'll appear.
That being said, I don't think you should post the Top 4 together and be done with it, because posting them separately will create more chatter and discussion in the thread. :)
Fear not, the countdown will be completed as planned! :tup :tup
Towards the bolded, technically speaking, no one except me knows for sure who made the top 4 because I have not shared the final list with anyone, and someone would have had to have asked everyone who submitted a list to give them theirs and then did the math on their own to come up with the final list, which I know didn't happen because I didn't share my top 25 with anyone. I had a bad day and was admittedly a bit cranky yesterday, but I said what I said and it is what it is...technically speaking. :P :P
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I mean, if enough people had my #1 in their top 10, he would still show up in the top 4 :)
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Next two...
04 David Gilmour
Appeared on 20 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Evermind)
11 Top 10 Finishes
Ah yes, my number 2 guitarist. Gilmour is proof that you don't to be able to play 1,000 notes a minutes to be great. Pound for pound, he is arguably the greatest soloist in the history of rock music.
03 Alex Lifeson
Appeared on 21 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (KevShmev, coz, pg1067)
15 Top 10 Finishes
And now the guy who is not just my number 1 guitarist, but my favorite musician of all time. His sense of melody and textures brought Rush to levels they never would have reached without his presence and writing. The Greatest.
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19. Guthrie Govan
16. Brian May
15. Mr. Likely to be Featured David Gilmour
7. James Hetfield
5. Jimi Hendrix
2. Mr. Will Show Up Eventually
Gilmour is great, he was my #15. Did some wonderful stuff with a guitar indeed.
Did not have Alex Lifeson, though I completely understand him being in the top 3 on this forum.
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Well it seems it is now VERY unlikely the two who I thought would be shoe ins are going to make the list. I'll only end up with 3 altogether by the looks of it.
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Not surprised at this ranking, but I am genuinely surprised that - on the DTF - 14 people rated 25 guitarists ahead of Gilmour, and similarly, 13 people thought there are 25 better than Big Al. I actually thought the latter might have a chance of taking the top spot.
Both would have made my Top 5.
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Neither ranked. Lifeson was close. Never been a PF fan. I think DG is a good guitarist but I dunno something about him doesn't really excite me. Maybe I need to delve into them more.
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Gilmour #5 for me. I mentioned it before, but when I was in college I took an elective class on Pink Floyd. We listened to the entire discography in order, and spoke about the music. Best class I ever took and what turned me into a PF fan.
Not surprised that Lifeson made it, though he did not rank for me.
25. Ritchie Blackmore
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21. Glen Tipton
20. James Hetfield
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7. Randy Rhoads
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5. David Gilmour
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I am genuinely surprised that - on the DTF - 13 people thought there are 25 better than Big Al.
As someone who didn’t rank Alex Lifeson, I just want to remind you that we’re ranking ‘favourite’ guitarists, not ‘best’, ‘greatest’ or - insert any other objective WildRanger term - here. I fully acknowledge that Alex Lifeson is a good guitar player and I completely understand why he would be someone’s favourite if Rush is a band dear to them. I did not rank him because I’m not too invested in Rush’s music to considering his guitar playing to be a favourite of mine.
Likewise, I will likely not have one of the top 2 players on my list either for similar reasons.
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I am genuinely surprised that - on the DTF - 13 people thought there are 25 better than Big Al.
I just want to remind you that we’re ranking ‘favourite’ guitarists, not ‘best’, ‘greatest’ or - insert any other objective WildRanger term - here.
That would be BELOVED (note, that always had to be written in capitals).
I didn't rank either. They're both good sure, but not my favourites by a mile. Gilmour would make my top 100, Lifeson wouldn't.
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Had both on the list, though a bit down at 7 and 8. Gilmour would've made it on Comfortably Numb alone. Alex, hard to leave someone I've spent so much time with off the list, definitely an intricate part of the soundtrack of my youth.
25. [nope]
Jason Richardson - solo
24. [skilled, but probably not]
Tom Morello - Rage Against the Machine
23. [only nominee to have a Super Bowl ring, won't make the list]
Nita Strauss - Alice Cooper, Demi Lavato, Solo
22. [youngest nominee, probably of all the people at 20, but won't be listed]
Haruka Noma, AKA Hal CA- Asterism
Gonna leave this link up cause you all seriously need to see this kid play, she's just 18 here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkiKSBX8JPA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkiKSBX8JPA)
21. [I'll be shocked if he isn't there]
Jimi Page
20. [97% sure he'll be there]
Jimi Hendrix
19. [most kuwaii nominee, won't make the list]
Tomo Zo - Gacharic Spin
18. [nope, even though I listen to his solo work a few times a day at least]
Samuel Ermallini - Pyramid Theorem
17. [should make it]
Brian May
16. [definitely in the best ever discussion, doubt he'll make the list though]
Guthrie Govan
15. [same as 16, will definitely make the final list]
14. [48% chance, definitely worthy though]
Tommy Shaw - Styx
13. [basically invented heavy metal, won't be on the list]
Dave Davies - The Kinks
12. [second best song writer on my list, and a brilliant soloist, she won't be listed]
Kanami Tono - BAND-MAID
11. [I'll be fucking crushed if he doesn't make the final list]
10. [most brutal player I nominated, won't be on the final list]
9. [if everyone heard her work, she'd make the finals]
8. [stone cold lock for the top 5]
David Gilmour
7. [probably top 5, definitely 10]
Alex Lifeson
6. [I'm on the fence, will get a few nominations, but they'll all be top ten at least, may make the list[
5. [tragically won't make the list]
4. [if King and Jingle did this, he might have had a chance]
3. [lock]
2. Steve Howe
1. [I'll put him at 42% to make the final list]
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I didn't rank either. They're both good sure, but not my favourites by a mile. Gilmour would make my top 100, Lifeson wouldn't.
:eek Not even top 50 lol
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I didn't rank either. They're both good sure, but not my favourites by a mile. Gilmour would make my top 100, Lifeson wouldn't.
:eek Not even top 50 lol
He wouldn't make my top 100 but I'm not a PF fan.
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Not surprised Gilmour made it, though I never considered him.
I had Lifeson at #17.
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I didn't rank either. They're both good sure, but not my favourites by a mile. Gilmour would make my top 100, Lifeson wouldn't.
:eek Not even top 50 lol
He wouldn't make my top 100 but I'm not a PF fan.
I get it, his style is not as "in your face" as a lot of other guitarist on this list so far, and I would say he is very reserved when playing.
For me though, his writing alone puts him as a favorite. His note choices and phrasing is very tasteful.
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*Pats self on back for knowing who the last 4 would be and for FINALLY getting someone on the list.*
Gilmour I respect and admire, and if I were being a little bit objective he definitely should have made my list. But I don’t like early Pink Floyd much at all aside from a few things like Comfortably Numb (which I don’t even own a recording of), and the later era Gilmour lead PF isn’t something I revisit often enough to say he’s one of my personal favorites. All the same, I assumed he would rank highly in this exercise, and I was correct. He’s definitely a great guitarist and worthy of this finish.
Lifeson was my number 5 and is my first guy to make the list so far (but I should have two more tomorrow). Just a great guitarist who did it all from chords, to riffs, to outstanding solos, all while sort of being the melodic anchor for a three piece featuring very busy counterparts on bass and drums. There is a weirdness and unpredictability to a lot of his solos that makes them exciting. He gets a lot of criticism (and gives himself some) for his work during the keyboard era of the band, but I think that era featured some of his strongest solos.
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I didn't rank either. They're both good sure, but not my favourites by a mile. Gilmour would make my top 100, Lifeson wouldn't.
:eek Not even top 50 lol
He's good, but I'm far from a huge Pink Floyd fan, I only really like one album. No chance he'd make my top 50, my list is predominantly metal guitarists soooooo
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25. ??
24. ??
23. ??
22. ??
21. ??
20. ??
19. Tony Iommi
18. Jimmy Page
17. ??
16. ??
15. ??
14. ??
13. ??
12. ??
11. Stevie Ray Vaughan
10. ??
9. ??
8. Brian May
7. Alex Lifeson
6. Randy Rhoads
5. ??
4. ??
3. ??
2. ??
1. James Hetfield
Had Alex at 7. I just really love the context of his playing, dude knows how to compliment the other guys like very few else could do. His solos don't do much for me, but love his rhythm playing.
Completely forgot about Gilmour. He never would have made my list since I'm not a PF fan, but I got 0 issue with him being so high and it really should've been obvious but I completely forgot about him.
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I had Lifeson at number 12. There was a time in my life when he would have been number 1, but that was decades ago.
I completely forgot about Gilmour. If I wouldn't have, he'd probably been around 18 or so.
25 Stevie Ray Vaughan
24
23
22 James Hetfield
21
20
19 (Brian May)
18 Steve Howe
17 Glenn Tipton
16 Mark Knopfler
15 Ritchie Blackmore
14 Steve Vai
13 Joe Satriani
12 Alex Lifeson
11
10 Toni Iommi
9 Jimi Hendrix
8
7
6 Jimmy Page
5
4 Guthrie Goven
3 Michael Schenker
2
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25.
24.
23.
22. Joe Satriani
21.
20.
19.
18.
17.
16.
15.
14.
13.
12.
11. Jimmy Page
10.
9. Jim Matheos
8.
7. Tony Iommi
6.
5. Guthrie Govan
4.
3. Ritchie Blackmore
2. Mark Knopfler
1. David Gilmour
I debated between Gilmour and Knopfler but ultimately I enjoy Gilmour's playing more. So much excellent stuff between PF and his solo albums. I only regret I didn't get to see him playing live.
Alex Lifeson - unranked, as I don't really listen to Rush. Totally respect him and was sure he'll end up near the top.
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I am genuinely surprised that - on the DTF - 13 people thought there are 25 better than Big Al.
As someone who didn’t rank Alex Lifeson, I just want to remind you that we’re ranking ‘favourite’ guitarists, not ‘best’, ‘greatest’ or - insert any other objective WildRanger term - here. I fully acknowledge that Alex Lifeson is a good guitar player and I completely understand why he would be someone’s favourite if Rush is a band dear to them. I did not rank him because I’m not too invested in Rush’s music to considering his guitar playing to be a favourite of mine.
Likewise, I will likely not have one of the top 2 players on my list either for similar reasons.
No reminder needed. But again, given the universal appreciation and love for both Rush and PF here, it surprises me THAT MANY didn't rank them.
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25. Steve Howe
24. [Possible shot; should be, given the forum]
23. [Possible shot; should be, given the forum]
22. Malcolm Young [Probably not at this point]
21. [No way in hell, and that's a shame]
20. Ace Frehley [I think this might be Animal's No. 13; he blows, but I love him anyway]
19. [100% given]
18. Stevie Ray Vaughan
17. [Never in a million years. Very good, very tasteful, but not a genre this forum dips into much]
16. Paul Chapman [Never in a million years. He replaced a guy that is on the list but criminally too low, so this guy has no shot]
15. [Should be but probably not; worthy, but doesn't get much respect for also replacing someone on this list]
14. [Should be, may be]
13. [Probably not; should get a lot more respect than he does, but I think this forum shits on him]
12. Tony Iommi [97%; this is the guy that invented heavy metal, not Dave Davies. :)]
11. [Never in a million years; I think this forum will consider him a joke, sadly.]
10. [Belongs, but may not have enough legs even though he influenced this lists' likely no. 1]
9. [Never in a million years; way underrated, going to be jinxed by the music he plays, not how he plays it]
8. [100% chance; will probably be in the top three]
7. Dave Murray
6. Michael Schenker
5. Randy Rhoads
4. [Should be; he's the guitar player on what I know to be at least three people here's favorite record of all time]
3. [Should be a given]
2. Jimmy Page [Should be a given, may be overlooked]
1. Ritchie Blackmore
26. Brian May
29. Mark Knopfler
30. Saul "Slash" Hudson
36. James Hetfield
41. Jimi Hendrix
47. Glenn Tipton
NR: Chris DeGarmo
NR: Guthrie Goven
NR: Jim Matheos
NR: Dave Mustaine
NR: Joe Satriani
NR: Adrian Smith
NR: Steve Vai
I sent a prediction for the remaining six to a couple people: two for two on that (even if it doesn't match my list). So there!
I'm presuming then that your 8 and number 19 are two of the remaining 4 guitarists in your prediction? You have a number of comments saying 'Should be' and 'possible shot' compared to the number of guitarist left to come?
If my 8 and 19 aren't on the list - and I would actually go so far as to say "no. 1 and no. 2" - I'll drink a Guinness out of KevShmev's work boot.
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25. Steve Howe
24. [Possible shot; should be, given the forum]
23. [Possible shot; should be, given the forum]
22. Malcolm Young [Probably not at this point]
21. [No way in hell, and that's a shame]
20. Ace Frehley [I think this might be Animal's No. 13; he blows, but I love him anyway]
19. [100% given]
18. Stevie Ray Vaughan
17. [Never in a million years. Very good, very tasteful, but not a genre this forum dips into much]
16. Paul Chapman [Never in a million years. He replaced a guy that is on the list but criminally too low, so this guy has no shot]
15. [Should be but probably not; worthy, but doesn't get much respect for also replacing someone on this list]
14. [Should be, may be]
13. [Probably not; should get a lot more respect than he does, but I think this forum shits on him]
12. Tony Iommi [97%; this is the guy that invented heavy metal, not Dave Davies. :)]
11. [Never in a million years; I think this forum will consider him a joke, sadly.]
10. [Belongs, but may not have enough legs even though he influenced this lists' likely no. 1]
9. [Never in a million years; way underrated, going to be jinxed by the music he plays, not how he plays it]
8. Alex Lifeson [100% chance; will probably be in the top three]
7. Dave Murray
6. Michael Schenker
5. Randy Rhoads
4. David Gilmour [Should be; he's the guitar player on what I know to be at least three people here's favorite record of all time]
3. [Should be a given]
2. Jimmy Page [Should be a given, may be overlooked]
1. Ritchie Blackmore
26. Brian May
29. Mark Knopfler
30. Saul "Slash" Hudson
36. James Hetfield
41. Jimi Hendrix
47. Glenn Tipton
NR: Chris DeGarmo
NR: Guthrie Goven
NR: Jim Matheos
NR: Dave Mustaine
NR: Joe Satriani
NR: Adrian Smith
NR: Steve Vai
So four for four so far on the top six; I did miss Lifeson by a spot (I thought he'd be in the top two, because of the love of Rush here) but both guys are deserving. I think if anything, Gilmour is underrated; his live work in the post-Pink Floyd era is sublime. He'll basically play anything from his catalogue (and some that isn't his) and does so with an attention to detail that is impeccable. It's really no surprise that Pink Floyd is as revered as they are given the work that Waters and Gilmour have done on their own. Crazy to think they weren't even the leaders of their band when they started out.
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I am genuinely surprised that - on the DTF - 13 people thought there are 25 better than Big Al.
As someone who didn’t rank Alex Lifeson, I just want to remind you that we’re ranking ‘favourite’ guitarists, not ‘best’, ‘greatest’ or - insert any other objective WildRanger term - here. I fully acknowledge that Alex Lifeson is a good guitar player and I completely understand why he would be someone’s favourite if Rush is a band dear to them. I did not rank him because I’m not too invested in Rush’s music to considering his guitar playing to be a favourite of mine.
Likewise, I will likely not have one of the top 2 players on my list either for similar reasons.
Thanks for reminding people about this. I don't like Floyd, never have, and while I think Lifeson is awesome it's not the style of guitar playing I prefer. He probably would have been #26 though if I had kept going.
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*Pats self on back for knowing who the last 4 would be and for FINALLY getting someone on the list.*
Lifeson was my number 5 and is my first guy to make the list so far (but I should have two more tomorrow). Just a great guitarist who did it all from chords, to riffs, to outstanding solos, all while sort of being the melodic anchor for a three piece featuring very busy counterparts on bass and drums. There is a weirdness and unpredictability to a lot of his solos that makes them exciting. He gets a lot of criticism (and gives himself some) for his work during the keyboard era of the band, but I think that era featured some of his strongest solos.
Love the way you put it on Alex's solos, especially considering some of the busy stuff he was asked to solo over top of. The Limelight solo is one of my all time favorite solos. I love a lot of his work during the keyboard era too. He was able to find his place and fill space while Geddy's keys started to be more up front. There are plenty of great solos from that era too, but stuff like his more atmospheric playing on Red Sector A shows me how much of a versatile guitarist he truly is. Obviously he is so underrated too, being in a band with those other 2 guys.
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I had Lifeson at #3 and Gilmour at #13. You can't argue with these two. I mean, you really can't. :tup
As predictable as number one might be, I just hope the number two is my number seven. If memory serves me, my number seven wasn't featured yet and I'd be stunned if the overall top 25 didn't include that particular player.
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Alex Lifeson (my #5) is one of the most ecletic of the rock guitarists, which really drove Rush to all its musical diversity (and grandiosity). He was never exactly an extremely virtuoso on solos, although he knows how to do them very well, with a lot of personality and, most of times, with a certain restraint - between my faves: La Villa Strangiatto, Freewill, Tom Sawyer, Red Barcheta, Limelight, Subdivisions, Chemistry, Between the Wheels, Marathon (and ALL on PoW? - see HOF and billboy73), Open Secrets, Bravado, Ghost of a Chance, Leave that Thing Alone, Time and Motion, Carve Away the Stone, The Main Monkey Business, Headlong Flight etc etc
David Gilmour is really the king of "less is more" on guitar soloing and maybe THAT solo on Confortably Numb is the GOAT in rock.
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04 David Gilmour - I had Gilmour at #15. Extremely influential on my own guitar playing early on, and simply a titan of 20th century popular music.
03 Alex Lifeson - I didn't rank Lifeson. I like Rush a lot, but for the ways that I see him standing out (chord voicings, feel), I just thought there were better choices, IMO. I didn't rank him just because he's the guitarist in one of my favorite bands.
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What makes the guitar solo in Comfortably Numb so good?
Not meant to be belligerent, I ranked David Gilmour, I’m just curious on everyone’s take on this one. It seems to be the one people will always refer to when discussing Gilmour. Why this one?
It’s funny, because everybody in the prog community knows this one, but people outside don’t really. I believe the solo on Bohemian Rhapsody is similar in the sense that it’s recognisable, singable and - more so than Comfortably Numb I’d say - very well known.
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What makes the guitar solo in Comfortably Numb so good?
Not meant to be belligerent, I ranked David Gilmour, I’m just curious on everyone’s take on this one. It seems to be the one people will always refer to when discussing Gilmour. Why this one?
It’s funny, because everybody in the prog community knows this one, but people outside don’t really. I believe the solo on Bohemian Rhapsody is similar in the sense that it’s recognisable, singable and - more so than Comfortably Numb I’d say - very well known.
I mean, it's just a good solo. I don't think it ranks on my top 5 Gilmour solos, but it is pretty good and compliments the songs in a way that not a lot of other guitarists have been able to replicate. Just my thoughts on that. From The Wall, I think I like the solo for Young Lust and Hey You more, but I get why that particular solo is as well regarded as it is.
If I would rank Gilmour's top solos on Pink Floyd, off the top of my head it would be in no particular order:
-Time
-Dogs
-Echoes
-Money
-Have a Cigar
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I think his guitar work on Shine on You Crazy Diamond Parts 1&2 is far superior to Comfortably Numb, but there you have it.
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It’s funny, because everybody in the prog community knows this one, but people outside don’t really.
Well, that's just crazy talk.
There are metric tons more fans of classic rock than there are strictly prog fans, and they all know this solo, because this is one of those songs that are always played on classic rock radio stations, and it's been that way since the album was released. The solo is arguably the biggest reason it's so popular.
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Don’t forget On The Turning Away and the slide solo on High Hopes.
I think Comfortably Numb is just a really beautiful, melodic piece of music that connects with a lot of people. It’s also from one of the most popular albums of all time, so that’s a big reason why it is so highly regarded (certainly we’ll beyond the prog community. It’s a classic rock staple).
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04 David Gilmour
Appeared on 20 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Evermind)
11 Top 10 Finishes
Ah yes, my number 2 guitarist. Gilmour is proof that you don't to be able to play 1,000 notes a minutes to be great. Pound for pound, he is arguably the greatest soloist in the history of rock music.
03 Alex Lifeson
Appeared on 21 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (KevShmev, coz, pg1067)
15 Top 10 Finishes
And now the guy who is not just my number 1 guitarist, but my favorite musician of all time. His sense of melody and textures brought Rush to levels they never would have reached without his presence and writing. The Greatest.
Gilmour was the only one I wasn't 95% sure about. I don't like Floyd, so he wasn't even in consideration for my FAVORITE guitarists list.
Lifeson, of course, is perfect. Always playing the right chord for the right situation. Knowing when to let things breathe and knowing when to go for it. He's the only guy I know of with a chord that "everyone" knows as the "Rush chord" or the "Lifeson chord." It's no coincidence that a solo many regard as his best (and which he has often cited as his favorite) has only 8 pick strikes through the first 10 measures.
11/23 so far.
25. Michael Schenker
24. [no way]
23. [no way]
22. [no way]
21. [maybe?...losing hope]
20. [no way]
19. Kirk Hammett
18. [no way (also on my vocalist list)]
17. James Hetfield
16. [probably not...downgrading this to no way]
15. Tony Iommi
14. [almost certainly won't]
13. [no way...see #11]
12. Ritchie Blackmore
11. [no way...band is WAY underrated around here]
10. Dave Murray
9. Glenn Tipton
8. [REALLY should but probably won't...also top 10 on my vocalist list]
7. Adrian Smith
6. Chris DeGarmo
5. Steve Howe
4. [not happening]
3. [stone cold lock]
2. Jim Matheos
1. Alex Lifeson
I'm 99.9% certain of the top 2, which means, Stadler, the guy you mentioned to me won't be making the list.
It’s funny, because everybody in the prog community knows this one, but people outside don’t really.
Well, that's just crazy talk.
There are metric tons more fans of classic rock than there are strictly prog fans, and they all know this solo, because this is one of those songs that are always played on classic rock radio stations, and it's been that way since the album was released. The solo is arguably the biggest reason it's so popular.
I've heard it, of course. But if you put it on, I seriously doubt I could hum along to it. I don't think I'm the only one who hasn't listened to music on the radio since the turn of the century. And, frankly, if I had control of the radio and a Pink Floyd song came on, I'd usually change the station.
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I've heard it, of course. But if you put it on, I seriously doubt I could hum along to it. I don't think I'm the only one who hasn't listened to music on the radio since the turn of the century. And, frankly, if I had control of the radio and a Pink Floyd song came on, I'd usually change the station.
Then you aren't one of the millions of people who are still the reason it still gets played.
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It’s funny, because everybody in the prog community knows this one, but people outside don’t really.
Well, that's just crazy talk.
There are metric tons more fans of classic rock than there are strictly prog fans, and they all know this solo, because this is one of those songs that are always played on classic rock radio stations, and it's been that way since the album was released. The solo is arguably the biggest reason it's so popular.
It's also my perception. I know a lot of people that are just casual classic rock fans (and most of them, hobby musicians) that idolizes this song and solo. And they maybe like/know 3 or 4 PF songs.
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Predict the final 2 without predicting the final 2:
One is dead
The other is alive
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One plays or played guitar.
The other plays or played guitar.
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I'm not convinced one is dead.
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I'm not convinced one is dead.
I know it's hard, but Elvis...I mean....whoever it is....is dead.
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I honestly have no idea who the other one will be.
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Comfortably Numb: first, it's not really "one solo", it's two, and the two parts are inseparable. But the beauty of that solo is, it's whatever you want to make of it. Don't care about the song? It's a neat, concise melody, hummable and repeatable. Part two is a little longer, but it's all of a whole, and the perfect cap to a neat little song about drugs and dreaming. But want to dig in a little? It's a part of a song that has a deeper message about escapism (first) and the down side of drowning one's sorrows and avoiding reality by building that wall, whatever that wall is to you (second).
The first verse is that first time... just a little pinprick and you're comfortably numb, in a good way. Just a little release. And the solo reflects that; easy, smooth, dream-like, the solo is compact and well-crafted with a fine resolution at the end. The second verse is the demon side of the coin. You might feel a little sick. The child is grown, the dream is gone, and you're comfortably numb, but NOT in a good way. And that second solo is anything but calm. It's angry, it's fighting back, it's going down kicking and screaming, and every note Gilmour plays is Pink (Roger? Syd?) fighting it with everything he has.
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Predict the final 2 without predicting the final 2:
One is dead
The other is alive
Are there black bears in the Netherlands?
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Lifeson, of course, is perfect. Always playing the right chord for the right situation. Knowing when to let things breathe and knowing when to go for it. He's the only guy I know of with a chord that "everyone" knows as the "Rush chord" or the "Lifeson chord." It's no coincidence that a solo many regard as his best (and which he has often cited as his favorite) has only 8 pick strikes through the first 10 measures.
What is that chord? Are you referring to the F#-barre chord with the open B and E string? Never knew that as the ‘Rush chord’ but that’s the one that comes to mind when thinking of Rush I guess.
As for guitarists with chords named after them.. how about the Hendrix chord? The Steely Dan chord?
And what is the solo you’re referring to as Lifeson’s best? I’m curious, I’ll give it a listen (if I haven’t heard it before).
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Predict the final 2 without predicting the final 2:
One is dead
The other is alive
Are there black bears in the Netherlands?
If there any here, they’ll be in zoos. We do have wolves though!
:neverusethis:
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Lifeson, of course, is perfect. Always playing the right chord for the right situation. Knowing when to let things breathe and knowing when to go for it. He's the only guy I know of with a chord that "everyone" knows as the "Rush chord" or the "Lifeson chord." It's no coincidence that a solo many regard as his best (and which he has often cited as his favorite) has only 8 pick strikes through the first 10 measures.
What is that chord? Are you referring to the F#-barre chord with the open B and E string? Never knew that as the ‘Rush chord’ but that’s the one that comes to mind when thinking of Rush I guess.
As for guitarists with chords named after them.. how about the Hendrix chord? The Steely Dan chord?
And what is the solo you’re referring to as Lifeson’s best? I’m curious, I’ll give it a listen (if I haven’t heard it before).
There's no question I like and admire Alex Lifeson, but his soloing is the least distinctive and least impressive part of his oeuvre for me.
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I honestly have no idea who the other one will be.
I thought it was just me.
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I find Floyd pretty tedious, so though I can appreciate Gilmour, there’s no way he was anywhere near my top 50.
Lifeson I like, and ask me in 12 months and he’d probably make my list, because after years of casual listening I have really started getting into Rush. Great band. Great player.
I know the top 2- seem obvious.
Can’t believe some of the folks on my list didn’t make the cut.
I’ll chat more tomorrow.
Thanks Kevshmev
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Lifeson, of course, is perfect. Always playing the right chord for the right situation. Knowing when to let things breathe and knowing when to go for it. He's the only guy I know of with a chord that "everyone" knows as the "Rush chord" or the "Lifeson chord." It's no coincidence that a solo many regard as his best (and which he has often cited as his favorite) has only 8 pick strikes through the first 10 measures.
What is that chord? Are you referring to the F#-barre chord with the open B and E string? Never knew that as the ‘Rush chord’ but that’s the one that comes to mind when thinking of Rush I guess.
As for guitarists with chords named after them.. how about the Hendrix chord? The Steely Dan chord?
And what is the solo you’re referring to as Lifeson’s best? I’m curious, I’ll give it a listen (if I haven’t heard it before).
Limelight?
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Comfortably Numb: first, it's not really "one solo", it's two, and the two parts are inseparable. But the beauty of that solo is, it's whatever you want to make of it. Don't care about the song? It's a neat, concise melody, hummable and repeatable. Part two is a little longer, but it's all of a whole, and the perfect cap to a neat little song about drugs and dreaming. But want to dig in a little? It's a part of a song that has a deeper message about escapism (first) and the down side of drowning one's sorrows and avoiding reality by building that wall, whatever that wall is to you (second).
The first verse is that first time... just a little pinprick and you're comfortably numb, in a good way. Just a little release. And the solo reflects that; easy, smooth, dream-like, the solo is compact and well-crafted with a fine resolution at the end. The second verse is the demon side of the coin. You might feel a little sick. The child is grown, the dream is gone, and you're comfortably numb, but NOT in a good way. And that second solo is anything but calm. It's angry, it's fighting back, it's going down kicking and screaming, and every note Gilmour plays is Pink (Roger? Syd?) fighting it with everything he has.
Fantastic writeup, Bill. :tup
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You know, it just dawned on me: there's two spots left. There's three guys that I would have put as an absolute LOCK to make the top ten. Fair enough, not all three will, but that means that one of them WON'T EVEN MAKE THE LIST. I am well and truly shocked beyond words.
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You know, it just dawned on me: there's two spots left. There's three guys that I would have put as an absolute LOCK to make the top ten. Fair enough, not all three will, but that means that one of them WON'T EVEN MAKE THE LIST. I am well and truly shocked beyond words.
Very curious to see the third as well. I'm 100% sure of the remaining two.
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I am also 100% confident in who the last 2 are.
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You know, it just dawned on me: there's two spots left. There's three guys that I would have put as an absolute LOCK to make the top ten. Fair enough, not all three will, but that means that one of them WON'T EVEN MAKE THE LIST. I am well and truly shocked beyond words.
I'm listening to three albums today thinking the same. :\
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I am also 100% confident in who the last 2 are.
I think I am as well but I'm "caught in the middle" on one NOT making it. So I guess I'm not 100% confident.
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I have 3 that I'm a little surprised haven't made it, given the membership here, not counting the 2 that I think are a lock.
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I am also 100% confident in who the last 2 are.
Is one of them Eugene Martone?
Dude did defeat Vai in a guitar battle.
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I am also 100% confident in who the last 2 are.
Is one of them Eugene Martone?
Dude did defeat Vai in a guitar battle.
I am 50% confident in who the last 2 are.
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Common mistake: that wasn't even Vai. That was Jack Butler. So... :dunno:
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I am also 100% confident in who the last 2 are.
Is one of them Eugene Martone?
Dude did defeat Vai in a guitar battle.
Ah yes. The one ute.
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Common mistake: that wasn't even Vai. That was Jack Butler. So... :dunno:
Well there you go. The final two.
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I have 4 that I thought would have likely been top 10, given the fandom on this board, and another that I thought for sure would be lower in the top 25. So that's 5 that I thought would be on the list, with only 2 spots left.
I wonder what the list would look like if Kev disregarded single statistical outliers (e.g. TAC voting Schenker #1).
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I wonder what the list would look like if Kev disregarded single statistical outliers (e.g. TAC voting).
That would be interesting to see.
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I wonder what the list would look like if Kev disregarded single statistical outliers (e.g. TAC voting).
That would be interesting to see.
But how would you compile a list then?
Of my 25 picks, 6 made the list and 19 (including 8 of my top 10 and my #1) did not.
And I didn’t rank a random nobody on #1. The guy is an absolute world-class monster player.
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I wonder what the list would look like if Kev disregarded single statistical outliers (e.g. TAC voting).
That would be interesting to see.
But how would you compile a list then?
Oh, I wouldn't. All of these statistics and things are above my pay grade. I don't even really like ranking things all that much, which seems to be an obsession among people on this forum lol
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I don't even really like ranking things all that much, which seems to be an obsession among people on this forum lol
For the record, this post lands on my top 45,000/49,112 top Hef's posts. Maybe even top 40,000 on a good day.
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I don't even really like ranking things all that much, which seems to be an obsession among people on this forum lol
For the record, this post lands on my top 45,000/49,112 top Hef's posts. Maybe even top 40,000 on a good day.
:lol
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Since I'm confident he is not top 2, how did Michael Romeo not even crack top 25?
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Not sure, but I'll just add that most of my list is not on the list.
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I wonder what the list would look like if Kev disregarded single statistical outliers (e.g. TAC voting).
That would be interesting to see.
But how would you compile a list then?
Same way you normally compile it, except that you don't count certain votes that meet certain predetermined criteria. For example, disregarding a #1 vote for a guy that didn't appear on anybody else's list at all, or disregarding a #25 vote for a guy that finished top 3 every other time he made a list. And to be clear, I'm not even remotely suggesting that it should have been done this way. Just saying I'm curious what the list would have looked like we some of those outliers were disregarded. Who would have made it that didn't, and who would get cut or ranked a lot lower that made it?
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I love to read Tim is the example as the #1 odd voter for this thread. Not that everyone didn't know that. :lol
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I love to read Tim is the example as the #1 odd voter for this thread. Not that everyone didn't know that. :lol
Wait until I post my list. :lol
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David Gilmour was my n. 7. He is responsible for what is the single most beautiful lead guitar couple of minutes for me- the intro to Shine on You Crazy Diamond. Even that alone would have been enough to have him in Top 10...
I didn't rank Lifeson as Rush haven't quite clicked with me (yet?)
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I love to read Tim is the example as the #1 odd voter for this thread. Not that everyone didn't know that. :lol
Wait until I post my list. :lol
:lol
And still, Tim was selected. :lol
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David Gilmour was my n. 7. He is responsible for what is the single most beautiful lead guitar couple of minutes for me- the intro to Shine on You Crazy Diamond. Even that alone would have been enough to have him in Top 10...
I didn't rank Lifeson as Rush haven't quite clicked with me (yet?)
You're sill not sure if you like or dislike Rush? That may be the most interesting thing I have ever read here. Please let me know when the jury is in on that.
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And I do get it. One of my favorite guitarist would be on no one's list. Michael Gurley of Dada. He'd be a top 5 for me.
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I wonder what the list would look like if Kev disregarded single statistical outliers (e.g. TAC voting Schenker #1).
WUT??
What am I supposed to do, rank my favorites from 2-25??
Why is anyone's #1 more important than mine??
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I love to read Tim is the example as the #1 odd voter for this thread. Not that everyone didn't know that. :lol
Wait until I post my list. :lol
It's an interesting list.
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I wonder what the list would look like if Kev disregarded single statistical outliers (e.g. TAC voting Schenker #1).
WUT??
What am I supposed to do, rank my favorites from 2-25??
Why is anyone's #1 more important than mine??
Well I got roasted having Paul Stanley as my number 1 vocalist and you had my back on that. I can say Tim's list is very consistent with all the bands he reps here. And I will say his taste is overall quite excellent!!!
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And I didn’t rank a random nobody on #1. The guy is an absolute world-class monster player.
Seriously, just because our #1 doesn't make the list doesn't mean they're a rando.... I'd bet my #1 has more professional accolades (awards and honors) than any other guitarist on the final list.
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My list so far25) No way. Chances of anyone else here even knowing who this guy is are slimmer than Justin Bieber making the Top 25. He might be the candidate to the world¨s worst singer too. But to me, he is an epitome of how to use guitar when it's the only instrument used to accompany yourself while singing.
24) No way. Almost everyone here knows this guy for his great flute playing and once great but now horrible singing. Ranking his as a guitarist might make some of you question my sanity....
23) Ritchie Blackmore
22) Chris DeGarmo
21) No way. Classical guitar monster and maverick.
20) No way. Played stuff with 2 fingers that most players can't play with 4.
19) Brian May
18) No way. Died young but doesn!t seem to get "died too young bump".
17) Adrian Smith Why the hell did I rank Smith behind Murray?
16) Dave Murray
15) No way. His acoustic guitar picking technique is just insane.
14) I thought he had a chance to make it but at this point, no way
13) No way. He is not even good, just overated. And he is not Ace Frehley. Plays with 4 fingers but his stuff could be easily played with 2.
12) Mark Knopfler
11) No way. Another jazz fusion legend.
10) No way. I'll just dare to guess I am not the only one to rank him. A PRS player.
9) No way. See 25. Had this guy been born in a different country, he might have been up there with the most revered prog guitarists of all time. The best of Gilmour and Howe mixed in one player.
8) No way. A prog underdog.
7) David Gimour. I would say a lock, but with the way this countdown is going, I mean metal kicking prog's old-fashioned and pompous ass, I am not sure.
6) Yes. The only certainty of this countdown is this player making Top 1.
5) a classical guitar maverick
4) a flamenco monster
3) Steve Howe
2) a soulful flamenco player
1) Acoustic/jazz/fusion monster
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I wonder what the list would look like if Kev disregarded single statistical outliers (e.g. TAC voting Schenker #1).
WUT??
What am I supposed to do, rank my favorites from 2-25??
Why is anyone's #1 more important than mine??
LOL. Nobody said that. We're talking about how statistics work, not how "important" somebody is to you or how you "should" have voted. You should vote how you vote.
I love to read Tim is the example as the #1 odd voter for this thread. Not that everyone didn't know that. :lol
:lol I'm not saying he is the "#1 odd voter." I'm sure there are things on some other lists that many of us would find more "odd" than some of Tim's choices. It's just that his is predictably "odd" in a few places because we know him and his tastes.
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My list so far25) No way. Chances of anyone else here even knowing who this guy is are slimmer than Justin Bieber making the Top 25. He might be the candidate to the world¨s worst singer too. But to me, he is an epitome of how to use guitar when it's the only instrument used to accompany yourself while singing.
24) No way. Almost everyone here knows this guy for his great flute playing and once great but now horrible singing. Ranking his as a guitarist might make some of you question my sanity....
23) Ritchie Blackmore
22) Chris DeGarmo
21) No way. Classical guitar monster and maverick.
20) No way. Played stuff with 2 fingers that most players can't play with 4.
19) Brian May
18) No way. Died young but doesn!t seem to get "died too young bump".
17) Adrian Smith Why the hell did I rank Smith behind Murray?
16) Dave Murray
15) No way. His acoustic guitar picking technique is just insane.
14) I thought he had a chance to make it but at this point, no way
13) No way. He is not even good, just overated. And he is not Ace Frehley. Plays with 4 fingers but his stuff could be easily played with 2.
12) Mark Knopfler
11) No way. Another jazz fusion legend.
10) No way. I'll just dare to guess I am not the only one to rank him. A PRS player.
9) No way. See 25. Had this guy been born in a different country, he might have been up there with the most revered prog guitarists of all time. The best of Gilmour and Howe mixed in one player.
8) No way. A prog underdog.
7) David Gimour. I would say a lock, but with the way this countdown is going, I mean metal kicking prog's old-fashioned and pompous ass, I am not sure.
6) Yes. The only certainty of this countdown is this player making Top 1.
5) a classical guitar maverick
4) a flamenco monster
3) Steve Howe
2) a soulful flamenco player
1) Acoustic/jazz/fusion monster
1 is Al Dimeola.
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I wonder what the list would look like if Kev disregarded single statistical outliers (e.g. TAC voting Schenker #1).
WUT??
What am I supposed to do, rank my favorites from 2-25??
Why is anyone's #1 more important than mine??
LOL. Nobody said that. We're talking about how statistics work, not how "important" somebody is to you or how you "should" have voted. You should vote how you vote.
I love to read Tim is the example as the #1 odd voter for this thread. Not that everyone didn't know that. :lol
:lol I'm not saying he is the "#1 odd voter." I'm sure there are things on some other lists that many of us would find more "odd" than some of Tim's choices. It's just that his is predictably "odd" in a few places because we know him and his tastes.
My 11, 17, and 21 will get that reaction, to be sure.
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My list so far25) No way. Chances of anyone else here even knowing who this guy is are slimmer than Justin Bieber making the Top 25. He might be the candidate to the world¨s worst singer too. But to me, he is an epitome of how to use guitar when it's the only instrument used to accompany yourself while singing.
24) No way. Almost everyone here knows this guy for his great flute playing and once great but now horrible singing. Ranking his as a guitarist might make some of you question my sanity....
Good call!!!
23) Ritchie Blackmore
22) Chris DeGarmo
21) No way. Classical guitar monster and maverick.
20) No way. Played stuff with 2 fingers that most players can't play with 4.
19) Brian May
18) No way. Died young but doesn!t seem to get "died too young bump".
17) Adrian Smith Why the hell did I rank Smith behind Murray?
Because that's where he belongs! :) :) :) :) :)
16) Dave Murray
15) No way. His acoustic guitar picking technique is just insane.
14) I thought he had a chance to make it but at this point, no way
13) No way. He is not even good, just overated. And he is not Ace Frehley. Plays with 4 fingers but his stuff could be easily played with 2.
Now I REALLY can't wait!!! Grunge player, perhaps?
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Lifeson, of course, is perfect. Always playing the right chord for the right situation. Knowing when to let things breathe and knowing when to go for it. He's the only guy I know of with a chord that "everyone" knows as the "Rush chord" or the "Lifeson chord." It's no coincidence that a solo many regard as his best (and which he has often cited as his favorite) has only 8 pick strikes through the first 10 measures.
What is that chord? Are you referring to the F#-barre chord with the open B and E string? Never knew that as the ‘Rush chord’ but that’s the one that comes to mind when thinking of Rush I guess.
As for guitarists with chords named after them.. how about the Hendrix chord? The Steely Dan chord?
And what is the solo you’re referring to as Lifeson’s best? I’m curious, I’ll give it a listen (if I haven’t heard it before).
It's not a barre chord because the B and E strings are open, but yeah: F#-C#-F#-A#-B-E. https://www.guitarplayer.com/players/the-alex-lifeson-chord-and-why-its-john-petruccis-favorite
The solo to which I referred is from Limelight. Alex has often cited it as his favorite or one of his favorites.
You know, it just dawned on me: there's two spots left. There's three guys that I would have put as an absolute LOCK to make the top ten. Fair enough, not all three will, but that means that one of them WON'T EVEN MAKE THE LIST. I am well and truly shocked beyond words.
I assume you're referring to the guy you mentioned in the email you sent me.
Since I'm confident he is not top 2, how did Michael Romeo not even crack top 25?
Well...some people have never heard of him before now...<checking Wikipedia>...or have never heard anything he's ever played on.
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I assumed Symphony X is well known on this forum.
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I wonder what the list would look like if Kev disregarded single statistical outliers (e.g. TAC voting Schenker #1).
WUT??
What am I supposed to do, rank my favorites from 2-25??
Why is anyone's #1 more important than mine??
LOL. Nobody said that. We're talking about how statistics work, not how "important" somebody is to you or how you "should" have voted. You should vote how you vote.
I love to read Tim is the example as the #1 odd voter for this thread. Not that everyone didn't know that. :lol
:lol I'm not saying he is the "#1 odd voter." I'm sure there are things on some other lists that many of us would find more "odd" than some of Tim's choices. It's just that his is predictably "odd" in a few places because we know him and his tastes.
Let me have my moment. Look at Tim's response. He was suckered in. :lol
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I didn't submit a list. For me personally, I had a small number in a few tiers of "awesome" that took me to about a top 20. After that, I just had a bunch of guys (and gal) in the next tier that I like, but didn't feel like they belonged on a "top __" list, so I didn't do one. But to comment on the list so far:
25 Stevie Ray Vaughan: Didn't make mine. I know he's always had a huge following, and that he is a big influence for a lot of players. And I hear that he is a very emotive player. But nothing he has ever done has made him stand out to me. I wouldn't even buy an album of his, much less put him on a "top __" players list.
24 Chris DeGarmo: Have always been a big fan, but I wouldn't have put him on a list either. Nothing wrong with his playing at all. I've always loved it, and he typically plays exactly what a given song calls for. It's hard to explain why, but I just wouldn't put him on a "top __" list.
23 Michael Schenker: I can't recall anything of his or how it goes. I know I've heard him play, and what I've heard generally made me think, "OK, yeah, the guy can play." But none of it was memorable to me. He always just seemed like the guitar playing brother that was too much of a head case to be in Scorpions, and not much more than that.
22 Dave Mustaine: Dave has come up with more than his share of incredible riffs and incredible solos. He would definitely be on my list.
21 Jim Matheos: Really creative, talented player. Just not enough to make my personal faves list.
20 Glenn Tipton: Never really took the time to listen to or appreciate Priest, so he wouldn't make my list.
18 (t) Mark Knopfler: Really haven't heard much from him that grabbed me.
18 (t) Ritchie Blackmore: Similar to SRV (although different style) or Schenker, I get it, but never interested or grabbed me.
17 Slash: Eh...okay, I get it, he's iconic, and he came up with some pretty iconic riffs and solos. And I get that his trademark "sloppy," imprecise playing is part of a signature sound that belies his actual talent. But I just couldn't put him on a "top __" list despite liking a lot of his playing. And I do. That dirty, aggressive sound and style he had fit GnR to a tee.
16 Dave Murray: Although I like Maiden, neither guitarist stands out enough to me to put either one on a "top __" list.
15 Steve Howe: Not a fan; don't know enough to comment.
14 Jimi Hendrix: Not my thing, but his influence was HUGE, and if you like him, you probably REALLY like him, so no argument from me about him being on the list.
13 Guthrie Govan: Not a fan; don't know enough to comment.
12 Adrian Smith: Same comments as Murray.
11 Brian May: A few iconic parts here and there, but he never stood out to me as being a "great" player.
10 Randy Rhoads: I'd probably put Randy up here. Again, some truly iconic monster riffs and solos. Really sloppy live player, from what I've heard. I would be very interested to see if I would still hold him in such high regard if he had a larger body of work.
09 Joe Satriani: I just don't like his style. A song or two tops, and I'm bored out of my mind. But there's no denying his skill and influence, so I have zero problem with him being on the list.
08 Steve Vai: Vai, on the other hand, is so creative and interesting that I could listen/watch for a long time, even if I don't like what he is playing on a given song (and there are plenty I DO like).
07 Tony Iommi: I get the influence, and he is a big part of some songs I really enjoy, but has never been a standout player to me.
06 Jimmy Page: I get it, but personally don't like.
05 James Hetfield: IMO, the high ranking is justified. It kind of bugs me that he ranks high on these types of lists by the general public, but based more on popularity than his actual skill.
04 David Gilmour: I would have ranked him a lot lower, but I can certainly appreciate that he can get emotion out of slow-playing 3-4 notes like nobody's business.
03 Alex Lifeson: Not a fan, but appreciate the influence.
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Well...some people have never heard of him before now...<checking Wikipedia>...or have never heard anything he's ever played on.
If this were a general rock forum, I get that since he isn't exactly mainstream. But on this particular forum, I'm with Glasser in being surprised that he isn't (likely) on the list.
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Well...some people have never heard of him before now...<checking Wikipedia>...or have never heard anything he's ever played on.
If this were a general rock forum, I get that since he isn't exactly mainstream. But on this particular forum, I'm with Glasser in being surprised that he isn't (likely) on the list.
We'll see tomorrow where he placed, and maybe I'm the only one. Who knows?
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I'm not convinced one is dead.
I am.
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Well...some people have never heard of him before now...<checking Wikipedia>...or have never heard anything he's ever played on.
If this were a general rock forum, I get that since he isn't exactly mainstream. But on this particular forum, I'm with Glasser in being surprised that he isn't (likely) on the list.
We'll see tomorrow where he placed, and maybe I'm the only one. Who knows?
I'm not a fan and would never have even considered him. I recognise who he is, but know barely anything about him.
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I follow these various lists but just don't have time to participate due to 12+ hour days at work. My list would contain a few of those listed and many that aren't. After you guys are finished, I will try to find time to post my favorites. For me the guitar is the penultimate instrument and gives me the greatest pleasure while listening.
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Yeah, there's no way Romeo is in the top 2 now. If we did this poll somewhere between 2000 and 2015, he would probably be low top 10 or just outside the top 10. But popularity has waned a bit, and there are fewer of his fans still left here than there were back then.
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For me the guitar is the penultimate instrument
??? I think you may have picked the wrong word. I'm struggling a bit to figure out what you were actually intending.
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For me the guitar is the penultimate instrument
??? I think you may have picked the wrong word. I'm struggling a bit to figure out what you were actually intending.
Just ultimate?
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For me the guitar is the penultimate instrument
??? I think you may have picked the wrong word. I'm struggling a bit to figure out what you were actually intending.
I think we can all agree what the ultimate instrument that gives you pleasure is.
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That's where he got "pen-" from. :lolpalm:
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Haha! See what 65 hours a week does to a brain.
ULTIMATE
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I love to read Tim is the example as the #1 odd voter for this thread. Not that everyone didn't know that. :lol
I've said it before, but it's not a *real* DTF thread until TAC is catching strays :lol :lol
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:lol
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There is one notable guy with some close connections to DT who’s absence does surprise me a bit, but I’m personally not really a fan of many of his projects even though he’s a great player.
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There is one notable guy with some close connections to DT who’s absence does surprise me a bit, but I’m personally not really a fan of many of his projects even though he’s a great player.
I'm a little surprised he didn't get a sniff on the countdown as well.
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1/23.
Gilmour - honorable mention for me, though I don't listen to him much anymore
Lifeson - actually one of the players that has grown on me the most over time, though I'm way overdue for another Rush binge at this point, but still only an honorable mention
Obviously he is so underrated too, being in a band with those other 2 guys.
Is he really underrated though? He's #3 on our list, #8 on Guitar World's guitar list, and on plenty of others as well. I think Rush fans tend to carry a sense of persecution for being left out of the Roll 'n' Roll Hall of Fame for so long, but they are still by far one of the most well known and respected prog bands, and this has arguably only increased over time.
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Lifeson, of course, is perfect. Always playing the right chord for the right situation. Knowing when to let things breathe and knowing when to go for it. He's the only guy I know of with a chord that "everyone" knows as the "Rush chord" or the "Lifeson chord." It's no coincidence that a solo many regard as his best (and which he has often cited as his favorite) has only 8 pick strikes through the first 10 measures.
What is that chord? Are you referring to the F#-barre chord with the open B and E string? Never knew that as the ‘Rush chord’ but that’s the one that comes to mind when thinking of Rush I guess.
As for guitarists with chords named after them.. how about the Hendrix chord? The Steely Dan chord?
And what is the solo you’re referring to as Lifeson’s best? I’m curious, I’ll give it a listen (if I haven’t heard it before).
It's not a barre chord because the B and E strings are open, but yeah: F#-C#-F#-A#-B-E. https://www.guitarplayer.com/players/the-alex-lifeson-chord-and-why-its-john-petruccis-favorite
The solo to which I referred is from Limelight. Alex has often cited it as his favorite or one of his favorites.
Which is what I said, and it got the point across. I can't recall the Limelight solo right now, will have a listen tomorrow.
Since I'm confident he is not top 2, how did Michael Romeo not even crack top 25?
Because he's neither:
1) a player from people's childhood and/or adolescence
2) an influential player that has stood the test of time (although granted we haven't seen that many on this list..)
3) very interesting when compared to other similar guitarists
(just my two cents, what do I know)
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Since I'm confident he is not top 2, how did Michael Romeo not even crack top 25?
Because he's neither:
1) a player from people's childhood and/or adolescence
2) an influential player that has stood the test of time (although granted we haven't seen that many on this list..)
3) very interesting when compared to other similar guitarists
(just my two cents, what do I know)
All great points. Plus he has one of the worst tones
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Interesting how only two of the top 25 aren't really known for solos. Hetfield has played a few, but is primarily known as a rhythm player, and Matheos might play some, but I'm not familiar enough with his work to recall, and Google and Youtube don't really link him with anything notable in that regard. Although, I have to wonder how many of the Mustaine votes are for songwriting vs. rhythm vs. lead playing. But if songwriting factored in that much, that makes some other missing players on the list more surprising.
And then Govan is a major outlier in being the only player to not really have started their career in the 80s or earlier. The presumed #1 will have the latest start to their career, and that's still in the 80s. It will definitely be very much a classic metal/classic rock/classic prog list, almost no 90s-present heroes. And with lots of notable classic prog guys even being left off. I'm going to assume we'll find a bunch of these names and other conspicuous absences in the top 50 though.
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Gilmour came in at #2 for me. Floyd's 'Animals' album is flawless in terms of his guitar work, which ranges from indescribably beautiful to angry and aggressive. His solo in Dogs is actually in my top 3 solos of all time (alongside Lonely in the Night by Eric Johnson and The Best of Times by Petrucci).
Lifeson wasn't ranked. Rush is a band that I simply haven't been able to get into, despite repeated attempts.
As for the remaining 2 spots, one of them is a given but the 2nd one is much less clear to me. I'm fairly confident that I know who most people think it will be, and perhaps it will, but it's by no means a certainty because he's one of those guys who played in a band that was far more popular in the US than in Europe, and we have a fair few Europeans taking part in this here ranking of ours. That could throw a spanner in the works.
*Lord Nafaryus voice* I guess we'll see. Yes, we shall see.
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18. Jimmy Page
17. Jimi Hendrix
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14. Joe Satriani
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12. Brian May
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10. James Hetfield
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8. Steve Vai
7. Slash
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2. David Gilmour
1. Mark Knopfler
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Since I'm confident he is not top 2, how did Michael Romeo not even crack top 25?
Because he's neither:
1) a player from people's childhood and/or adolescence
2) an influential player that has stood the test of time (although granted we haven't seen that many on this list..)
3) very interesting when compared to other similar guitarists
(just my two cents, what do I know)
All great points. Plus he has one of the worst tones
Wow, and after I just defended you.
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:lol
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Interesting how only two of the top 25 aren't really known for solos. Hetfield has played a few, but is primarily known as a rhythm player, and Matheos might play some, but I'm not familiar enough with his work to recall, and Google and Youtube don't really link him with anything notable in that regard. Although, I have to wonder how many of the Mustaine votes are for songwriting vs. rhythm vs. lead playing. But if songwriting factored in that much, that makes some other missing players on the list more surprising.
It never occurred to me that Matheos might not have played the solos for FW. I always assumed he was the lead guy and Aresti was more rhythm. I know it was just Matheos for A Pleasant Shade of Gray, and there is at least one really great solo on that one. Dirt From A Holy place is also a cool guitar piece from the first OSI album.
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Have a listen please.
https://youtu.be/FNhdVufI7w4
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Although, I have to wonder how many of the Mustaine votes are for songwriting vs. rhythm vs. lead playing. But if songwriting factored in that much, that makes some other missing players on the list more surprising.
As someone who voted for Mustaine, I just think of him as a guitarist. I know his rhythm playing is outstanding and I have no idea which player is playing leads in Megadeth, but I've seen enough Megadeth to know that Mustaine is playing half of them. And I do consider writing, because you can't play what you don't write, no? And since what he's playing is generally excellent, I assume his writing is as well.
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As for the remaining 2 spots, one of them is a given but the 2nd one is much less clear to me. I'm fairly confident that I know who most people think it will be, and perhaps it will, but it's by no means a certainty because he's one of those guys who played in a band that was far more popular in the US than in Europe, and we have a fair few Europeans taking part in this here ranking of ours. That could throw a spanner in the works.
Perhaps, but I don't think there's any one single strong competitor who should be more obvious. A bunch of players I thought would be lower on the list, but if they're not already on the list, I can't see them being in the top 2. And then to think about it this way, knowing how the list has already gone, how I would expect the list to be on this forum, and then knowing the player whose votes I goosed and other possible candidates that I did not, and it seems pretty inevitable at this point. This player not even being on the list at all to me would be mindblowing, but yes, I'm in the US.
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Have a listen please.
https://youtu.be/FNhdVufI7w4
Oh holy shit Kev can I resend my list?? :lol
I never said he wasn't good. Russ Allen is good, but I can't stand him either.
If it makes you feel better, Michael LePond will make my bassist countdown. ;D
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04 David Gilmour
Appeared on 20 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Evermind)
11 Top 10 Finishes
03 Alex Lifeson
Appeared on 21 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (KevShmev, coz, pg1067)
15 Top 10 Finishes
David Gilmour - fully expected him here but unranked by me. What I do find a bit strange is that Gilmour is obviously loved here but there appears to be zero love for Clapton. I think they are very similar players but of course PF is a much bigger band than anything Clapton has done so I guess there is that.
Alex Lifeson - fully expected Lifeson to be number 2 so this is a surprise, as well as only being on 21 lists? I thought he was a chance for 30 plus..anyway I only ranked him 24. He isn't an influence of mine but just love him and Rush.
Top 2 are very obvious. Looking forward to the reveal and to discussing many of the great guitarists that didn't make the overall list.
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Although, I have to wonder how many of the Mustaine votes are for songwriting vs. rhythm vs. lead playing. But if songwriting factored in that much, that makes some other missing players on the list more surprising.
As someone who voted for Mustaine, I just think of him as a guitarist. I know his rhythm playing is outstanding and I have no idea which player is playing leads in Megadeth, but I've seen enough Megadeth to know that Mustaine is playing half of them. And I do consider writing, because you can't play what you don't write, no? And since what he's playing is generally excellent, I assume his writing is as well.
Yeah, I've probably just listened to way too much Megadeth, but it's blatantly obvious to me what Dave is playing vs. his other players, and he's not even a top 5 guitarist in his own band for me. Drumming, bass playing, and vocals melodies (even if not vocal timbre) are a big factor as well.
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Have a listen please.
https://youtu.be/FNhdVufI7w4
Oh holy shit Kev can I resend my list?? :lol
I never said he wasn't good. Russ Allen is good, but I can't stand him either.
If it makes you feel better, Michael LePond will make my bassist countdown. ;D
(https://media.tenor.com/8ZAsoIFNasMAAAAC/yeah-aight-blueface.gif)
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Have a listen please.
https://youtu.be/FNhdVufI7w4
He probably should've made my list. I honestly forgot about him. This is the first song I ever heard from them and my god that intro :metal :metal :metal
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VIDLvhq6BWk&pp=ygUcU3ltcGhvbnkgeCBzZXZlbiBwbGF5dGhyb3VnaA%3D%3D
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Since I'm confident he is not top 2, how did Michael Romeo not even crack top 25?
Because he's neither:
1) a player from people's childhood and/or adolescence
2) an influential player that has stood the test of time (although granted we haven't seen that many on this list..)
3) very interesting when compared to other similar guitarists
(just my two cents, what do I know)
All great points. Plus he has one of the worst tones
Wow, and after I just defended you.
:lol
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Apologies for my attitude last night. I had a bad day and was cranky as hell, but no need to get pissy like I did.
Feel free to discuss any and all good guitarists, which sadly disqualifies Michael Romeo. :P :P
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Have a listen please.
https://youtu.be/FNhdVufI7w4
Yeah, Romeo is a technical monster. I think though his style is very boxed in and he doesn't really deviate from what he knows. I wish he did more outside of his solo stuff and SX.
Some of my most favourite work from his was the Timo Kotipelto albums. He worked so well in that more straight ahead hard rock/power metal style.
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Romeo is deservedly very high on my list.
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Feel free to discuss any and all good guitarists, which sadly disqualifies Michael Romeo. :P :P
:lol Hey now! Like him or hate him, he's clearly an exceptional guitarist.
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I am 9/23
23. Randy Rhoads (#10)
22. Slash (#17)
21. Dave Mustaine (#22)
19. David Gilmour (#4)
12. Jimmy Page (#6)
11. Adrian Smith (#12)
9. Joe Satriani (#9...nailed it.)
5. Stevie Ray Vaughan (#25)
1. Alex Lifeson (#3)
Considered: Hetfield, Iommi, Vai, May, Hendrix, Murray, Knopfler, Matheos
Didn't considered: Govan, Howe, Blackmore, Tipton, M. Shenker, DeGarmo
The Main Axe Tracker
Gibson 101 pts (+43!)
Fender 61 pts (+22)
Ibanez 35 pts
ESP 23 pts (+21)
Jackson 18 pts
Red Special / Old Lady / Fireplace 15 pts
Charvel 13 pts
Hamer 6 pts
PRS 5 pts
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Apologies for my attitude last night. I had a bad day and was cranky as hell, but no need to get pissy like I did.
Feel free to discuss any and all good guitarists, which sadly disqualifies Michael Romeo. :P :P
You're the man Kev! No need to apologize brother. I could never do these countdowns. Once again, thank you for doing this and cannot wait for tomorrow's results although they both should be obvious. SHOULD BE. :metal
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Apologies for my attitude last night. I had a bad day and was cranky as hell, but no need to get pissy like I did.
Feel free to discuss any and all good guitarists, which sadly disqualifies Michael Romeo. :P :P
You're the man Kev! No need to apologize brother. I could never do these countdowns. Once again, thank you for doing this and cannot wait for tomorrow's results although they both should be obvious. SHOULD BE. :metal
Yes great job Kev. Top 2 should be or are obvious but you never know. I thought the guitarist who 'invented' heavy metal was obvious too but that wasn't the case - Dave Davies?? Who would have thought...
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Gilmour is an easy #1 for me.
Regarding Comfortably Numb... if pressed, I might say The Wall is my favorite album of all time. Yet I might not say Comfortably Numb is one of my top 3 songs from that album. Nor arew the guitar solos at the top of my Gilmour favorites (brilliant breakdown by Stadler, by the way). Delicate Sound of Thunder is my favorite live album, and did as much to shape my musical journey as any album, and Comfortably Numb from that recording is my #1 favorite song. Not sure where I am going with all this. Happy to see Gilmour rank this high.
There's no question I like and admire Alex Lifeson, but his soloing is the least distinctive and least impressive part of his oeuvre for me.
Likewise for me.
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David Gilmour would probably have been my #1 as well, if I had submitted a list. Everybody loves the solo in Comfortably Numb, but I think the solo in Time is equally fantastic (maybe even better?).
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Apologies for my attitude last night. I had a bad day and was cranky as hell, but no need to get pissy like I did.
Feel free to discuss any and all good guitarists, which sadly disqualifies Michael Romeo. :P :P
You're the man Kev! No need to apologize brother. I could never do these countdowns. Once again, thank you for doing this and cannot wait for tomorrow's results although they both should be obvious. SHOULD BE. :metal
Yes great job Kev. Top 2 should be or are obvious but you never know. I thought the guitarist who 'invented' heavy metal was obvious too but that wasn't the case - Dave Davies?? Who would have thought...
I'll piggyback on this and say thanks for running these Kev. I always look forward to 1pm rolling around each day, so I can see the latest ranking.
As much as I don't agree it should be a 'rule' as such that we can't discuss those that haven't been revealed before the final countdown is finished, I believe it should be a courtesy to you, running these, as it's your preference.
I can see both sides but appreciate the hell out if you for putting in the effort with these. Bring on the drummers one next!
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Feel free to discuss any and all good guitarists, which sadly disqualifies Michael Romeo. :P :P
:lol Hey now! Like him or hate him, he's clearly an exceptional guitarist.
He’s the penultimate player :neverusethis:
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And I don’t know whether anyone would care about seeing how a guitarist ranks other guitarists, but I’m going to post my full list later today. If I feel like it, I’ll try to write a little bit of why one should listen to them, especially for the nominations that might make one frown.
Needless to say, everybody should listen to my #1 and catch him live at least once before he’ll pass away.
If this goes how I think it will, the #2 will not be on my list, while the #1 will be my personal 2nd place.
Thanks for running this, Kev! My jazz-infused list never stood a chance, but it was fun anyway :)
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Catching up from yesterday.
David Gilmour is the reason I became obsessed with guitar when I was a kid. I watched the Delicate Sound Of Thunder VHS over and over, I'd mimic his hand movements on the guitar, I was just mystified. There are a ton of technical monsters on my list but no one with the soul of David Gilmour
Alex Lifeson I've known about for years but when I took my first real Rush dive 10 years ago I immediately recognized how he was the genesis of so many prog rock guitar gods. Amazing melody and note choise and a hell of a player in his own right.
25. Joe Satriani
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17.Steve Vai
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12. Alex Lifeson
11. James Hetfield
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8. Mark Knopfler
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4. David Gilmour
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1. Guthrie Govan
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I'm ready!
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Cheers for running Kev as always.
It's pretty clear cut on the top 2 though in my mind.
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I'm ready!
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Means I'll be spending the morning reading list and saying to myself "how the fuck did I forget him/her?"
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I'm ready!
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Means I'll be spending the morning reading list and saying to myself "how the fuck did I forget him/her?"
If it makes you feel better, there is a guitarist that I thought I included on my list, but them realized I put the completely wrong name but just left it alone. So there's that.
I'll write a few things about some of my top 10 and why they are there. Specially my #1.
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Okay, here we go...
02 Nigel Tufnel
Appeared on 11 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (kingshmegland)
11 Top 10 Finishes
How can the writer of Lick My Love Pump and the man who orchestrated the legendary Stonehenge performance not be ranked this high? A true legend.
01 Marty McFly
Appeared on 8.25 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1.21 (lonestar)
1955 Top 10 Finishes
The man invented tapping AND influenced the legendary Chuck Berry! Was number 1 ever in doubt??
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Okay, but for anyone not buying that, here is what the top 2 could have been...
02 Eddie Van Halen
Appeared on 23 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Dublagent66, Fonzie)
16 Top 10 Finishes
I ranked him 9th and almost feels like that was too low. Easily one of the two most influential rock guitarists ever, he popularized the tapping technique, and for as tremendous a lead player as he was, his rhythm playing was second to none as well.
01 John Petrucci
Appeared on 34 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (BRGM, Awaken, Mladen, Metropolaris, devieira73, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP)
32 Top 10 Finishes
The most obvious number 1 in any countdown thus far. To say he won in a rout would be the understatement of the century. I ranked him 3rd, which speaks volumes for how highly I think of him considering guitarists who regularly shred are not really my thing, but he's an amazing melodic player and a great songwriter as well. All hail JP. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Ok so I guess I was right about #2. He did not rank for me, but it has nothing to do with his talent and what he did.
JP is an obvious one. He was #2 for me. I'll write more about that shortly.
01 John Petrucci
Appeared on 34 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (BRGM, Awaken, Mladen, Metropolaris, devieira73, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP)
32 Top 10 Finishes
Wonder who left him out of the top 10 :huh:
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Holy shit, the points difference between 1 and 2 must have been huge!! :lol
If this goes how I think it will, the #2 will not be on my list, while the #1 will be my personal 2nd place.
And that was it indeed :)
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I had EVH at 20. JP was my number 5.
I'm pretty sure no one will be interested in my full list, so I'll just say thanks Kev! It's been fun.
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Total list below. Sorry I didn't number them all, there was just too many. :lol
John Petrucci 759
Eddie Van Halen 396
Alex Lifeson 372
David Gilmour 320
James Hetfield 288
Jimmy Page 283
Tony Iommi 241
Steve Vai 236
Joe Satriani 213
Randy Rhoads 170
Brian May 162
Adrian Smith 157
Guthrie Govan 154
Jimi Hendrix 147
Steve Howe 143
Dave Murray 133
Slash 130
Ritchie Blackmore 124
Mark Knopfler 124
Glenn Tipton 121
Jim Matheos 111
Dave Mustaine 110
Michael Schenker 105
Chris DeGarmo 98
Stevie Ray Vaughan 96
Neal Schon 94
Yngwie Malmsteen 92
Mark Tremonti 92
Paul Gilbert 91
Eric Johnson 90
Devin Townsend 89
Pete Townshend 87
Al DiMeola 84
Robert Fripp 80
Mikael Akerfeldt 78
Dimebag Darrell 75
Steve Lukather 71
Kirk Hammett 71
Gary Moore 71
Michael Romeo 69
Steven Wilson 66
Steve Hackett 65
Roine Stolt 65
Jeff Beck 63
Jason Becker 61
Plini 60
Steve Rothery 59
Ritchie Kotzen 59
Brent Hinds 58
Marty Friedman 54
John McLaughlin 54
Wes Montgomery 52
Kai Hansen 52
Alexi Laiho 52
Frank Zappa 51
Steve Morse 50
George Harrison 49
George Lynch 48
Pat Methany 47
Rik Emmett 46
Nuno Bettencourt 45
Ace Frehley 44
Tony McAlpine 42
Claudio Sanchez 41
Wolf Hoffman 40
Jerry Cantrell 40
Adam Jones 39
Zakk Wylde 38
Vernon Reid 38
Ty Tabor 38
Tosin Abasi 38
Allan Holdsworth 38
Jake E Lee 37
Daniel Gildenlow 37
Jeff Loomis 35
Frank Aresti 35
Tommy Emmanuel 34
Richard Henshall 34
Paul Chapman 34
Julian Lage 34
Eric Clapton 33
Buckethead 33
Criss Oliva 31
Alan Morse 31
Chuck Schuldiner 30
Andy LaRocque 30
Andrew Latimer 30
Rivers Cuomo 29
Derek Trucks 28
Synyster Gates 27
Lindsey Buckingham 27
John Scofield 27
Tommy Shaw 26
Paco De Lucia 26
KK Downing 25
Eric Gillette 25
Vicente Amigo 24
Mike Einzinger 24
Matt Heafy 24
Per Nilsson 23
Joe Pass 23
Gary Richrath 23
Reinier Baas 22
John Schaffer 22
Bill Keliher 22
Warren DeMartini 21
Stephan Rak 21
Michael Holmes 21
Mark Engles 21
John Sykes 21
Akira Takasaki 21
Tom Morello 20
Tobias Forge 20
Tim Smith 20
Phil Keaggy 20
Phil Collen 20
Michael Kelsey 20
Duane Allman 20
Dan Donegan 20
Steven Stevens 19
Misha Mansoor 19
Michael Weikath 19
Larry LaLonde 19
Kurt Rosenwinkel 19
Kaki King 19
Joe Bonamassa 19
Ian Anderson 19
Buck Dharma 19
Aaron Marshall 19
Tom Petty 18
Robben Ford 18
Michael Amott 18
Matt Bellamy 18
Dave Gregory 18
Billy Gibbons 18
Uli Jon Roth 17
Saki 17
Rick Nielson 17
Radim Hladik 17
Marco Sfogli 17
Doug Ott 17
David Maxim Micic 17
Charlie Griffiths 17
CC Deville 17
Oli Herbert 16
Ola Englund 16
Magnus Karlsson 16
Greg Burgess 16
Gary Clark, Jr. 16
Francisco Tarrega 16
Andy McKee 16
Travis Stever 15
Santiago Dobles 15
Rocky George 15
Prince 15
Mark Holcomb 15
Kerry Livgren 15
Jerry Garcia 15
Jannick Gers 15
J.J. Cale 15
Graham Coxon 15
Dave Navarro 15
BB King 15
Alex Skolnick 15
Keith Richards 14
Kanami Tono 14
El Hefe 14
Trevor Rabin 13
The Edge 13
Sam Totman 13
Rich Williams 13
Rene Rutten 13
Punky Meadows 13
Peter Buck 13
Jakub Zytecki 13
Dave Prichard 13
Dave Davies 13
Chet Atkins 13
Bill Frisell 13
Angel Vivaldi 13
Adrian Belew 13
Scott Gorham 12
Paul Sayer 12
Michael Wilton 12
Michael Landua 12
Matthias Jabs 12
Jonny Greenwood 12
Johhny Ricco 12
Joe Perry 12
Jeff Hanneman 12
Dick Wagner 12
Dave Menniketti 12
Chris Poland 12
Arjen Anthony Luccassen 12
Yvette Young 11
Vivian Campbell 11
Vinnie Moore 11
Tom Englund 11
Todd Park Mohr 11
Stochela Rosenburg 11
Roy Z 11
Martin Barre 11
Hermann Li 11
Geordie Walker 11
Dann Huff 11
Axel Rudi Pell 11
Tim Henson 10
Nick Lee 10
Mark Morton 10
Johnny Marr 10
Henjo Richter 10
Fernando Perdomo 10
Dickey Betts 10
Tom Scholz 9
Tom MacLean 9
Malcolm Young 9
Larry Coryell 9
Justin Hawkins 9
Jorn Viggo Lofstad 9
John 5 9
Jani Liimatainen 9
James Mankey 9
Billy Corgan 9
Tom Keifer 8
Samuel Ermellini 8
Piotr Grudzinski 8
Paul Waggoner 8
Paul Simon 8
Larry Carlton 8
Kenny Burrell 8
Gus G 8
Gilad Hekselman 8
Dean Ween 8
Corey Beaulieu 8
Alasdair Maclean 8
Tomo Zo 7
Roger Fisher 7
Phil Demmel 7
Mike Oldfield 7
Mick Ronson 7
Kragen Lum 7
Kevin Barnes 7
Fredrik Thordendal 7
David Scott 7
Buddy Guy 7
Mick Mars 6
Michael Sweet 6
Luke Morley 6
Luca Turilli 6
John Lennon 6
John Frusciante 6
Gary Holt 6
Erik Mongrain 6
Django Reinhardt 6
Daron Malakian 6
Brian Robertson 6
Waylon Jennings 5
Vinnie Vincent 5
Randy McStine 5
Nathaniel Murphy 5
Molly Tuttle 5
Mac Demarco 5
Kazuhito Yamashita 5
Jonsi 5
Jeff Buckley 5
Glen Drover 5
Chris Rea 5
Bjorn Gelotte 5
Yossi Sassi 4
Scott Ian 4
Roland Grapow 4
Rikard Sjoblom 4
Nita Strauss 4
John McGeoch 4
Johannes Linstead 4
Jimmy Raney 4
Hal CA 4
Carlos Santana 4
Billy Strings 4
Billy Alexander 4
Tsuyoshi Sekito 3
Mike Keneally 3
Mark Oliver Everett 3
John Mitchell 3
Jake Kiska 3
Chris Elrdige 3
Angus Young 3
Reb Beach 2
Lori Linstruth 2
Don Ross 2
Anders Bjorler 2
Alex Hutchings 2
Walter Trout 1
Timo Tolkki 1
Ronnie Le Tekro 1
Matt Scannell 1
Karel Plihal 1
Jim Hall 1
Jason Richardson 1
Gary Hoey 1
Cory Wong 1
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Yup... Pretty much what I figured, and glad JP made it to everyone's list. Had EVH at 17,had JP at #3.
Got some cleaning to do after a big event last night, I'll post the rest of my list later today.
Thanks for this Kev, good times as always. Definitely do drummers next!!
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Eddie van Halen. Oh. Yeah, makes sense. He just never wrote anything I enjoyed and didn't therefore get anywhere near my list :biggrin:
Good to see CC DeVille and Rivers Cuomo weren't bottom of the list :coolio
Thanks as always, Kev. (And all those who posted, of course!)
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No surprises there, Kev.
Thank you for running a great and interesting countdown.
25. Scott Gorham
24. Brian May
23. Jannick Gers
22. Dave Mustaine
21. Malcolm Young
20. Brian Robertson
19. Ace Frehley
18. Kai Hansen
17. Alex Lifeson
16. Randy Rhoads
15. Vinnie Moore
14. Dave Menniketti
13. Dave Prichard
12. Tony Iommi
11. Paul Chapman
10. Yngwie Malmsteen
9. James Hetfield
8. Dave Murray
7. Adrian Smith
6. Richie Blackmore
5. Wolf Hoffman
4. Eddie Van Halen
3. John Petrucci
2. Gary Moore
1. Michael Schenker
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My top 25 was:
25 Walter Trout
24 Trevor Rabin
23 Eric Gillette
22 Tom Scholz
21 Lindsey Buckingham
20 Tommy Shaw
19 Mick Ronson
18 Matt Bellamy
17 Tony Iommi
16 Jimmy Page
15 Steve Hackett
14 The Edge
13 Devin Townsend
12 Glenn Tipton
11 Jeff Beck
10 Steve Howe
09 Eddie Van Halen
08 Andrew Latimer
07 Buck Dharma
06 Steven Wilson
05 Brian May
04 Roine Stolt
03 John Petrucci
02 David Gillmour
01 Alex Lifeson
The lack of support for Mick Ronson made me a little sad, but didn't surprise me. He is a big reason why those early 70s albums by Bowie are so great.
Jeff Beck not making the top 25 was definitely a stunner.
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Someone voted Tobias Forge? :rollin didn't even know he played guitar!
Nice to see Brent Hinds, Alexi Laiho and Dimebag did pretty well. If you'd asked me before I'd have said Dimebag was definitely going to make the list.
Here's mine. I ended up with 3 making the final list. Did I do the worst?
25. Synyster Gates
24. Anders Björler
23. Tsuyoshi Sekito
22. Michael Amott
21. Björn Gelotte
20. Marty Friedman
19. Phil Demmel
18. Corey Beaulieu
17. Herman Li
16. Kirk Hammett
15. Chuck Schuldiner
14. Jeff Hanneman
13. Sam Totman
12. El Hefe
11. Matt Heafy
10. Devin Townsend
9. Bill Kelliher
8. Brent Hinds
7. Mikael Åkerfeldt
6. John Petrucci
5. Dave Mustaine
4. Alexi Laiho
3. James Hetfield
2. Dimebag
1. Claudio Sanchez
Thanks a bunch Kev, this thread could probably keep going for a good few weeks debating all this now.
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On my initial run through making a list I had EVH 4th and JP 9th, but on further deflection I bumped them down to 10t and 11th respectively only because I don’t listen to them nearly as much as I did 20+ years ago. But they are easily two of the most influential guitarists for me, and probably the two (along with maybe Vai) that I kind of grew up thinking of as the gold standard for guitarists. Both are just tremendous, absolute monsters, and always kind of seemed like the likely 1-2 on the list. The only question was order, and that wasn’t even close ultimately.
Great thread, Kev. Always appreciate you running these things.
Will have some thoughts and share my list further, but I’m still a little surprised there weren’t enough Eric Johnson fans (my number 1) to get him on the list. He’s the perfect guitarist IMO. Absolutely beautiful and unique tone, incredible fluidity, amazing solos, and he does all kinds of cool and creative things with his guitar (like making it sound like a koto). He takes two formats that can be sterile and repetitive (blues and shred) and makes them really musical and song based. Just someone I could listen to all day.
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Will have some thoughts and share my list further, but I’m still a little surprised there weren’t enough Eric Johnson fans (my number 1) to get him on the list. He’s the perfect guitarist IMO. Absolutely beautiful and unique tone, incredible fluidity, amazing solos, and he does all kinds of cool and creative things with his guitar (like making it sound like a koto). He takes two formats that can be sterile and repetitive (blues and shred) and makes them really musical and song based. Just someone I could listen to all day.
Eric Johnson is awesome, but he really only has two albums I like - Ah Via Musicom and Venus Isle - and I rarely listen to either anymore. I do like both a lot, but I just can't call someone a favorite when they have no material that I listen to regularly. That is why he didn't make my list.
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Someone voted Tobias Forge? :rollin didn't even know he played guitar!
I think he plays all guitar parts on the albums. Live he uses the nameless ghouls for that.
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Someone voted Tobias Forge? :rollin didn't even know he played guitar!
I think he plays all guitar parts on the albums. Live he uses the nameless ghouls for that.
What a terrible Ghost fan I am, I had no idea. He still wouldn't have made my list but this is good to know.
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Jeff Beck not making the top 25 was definitely a stunner.
I forgot Jeff Beck :facepalm:
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Ok so I guess I was right about #2. He did not rank for me, but it has nothing to do with his talent and what he did.
JP is an obvious one. He was #2 for me. I'll write more about that shortly.
01 John Petrucci
Appeared on 34 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (BRGM, Awaken, Mladen, Metropolaris, devieira73, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP)
32 Top 10 Finishes
Wonder who left him out of the top 10 :huh:
ME. He was #19 on my list. Love him, great player, but we're the same age, so there are guys that I've just had in my DNA longer.
EDIT: Having said that, I agree with Axeman, below. I saw JP twice on his solo tour, and in both shows - different times - he played something and I was like "WTF. How does he DO that?" and it wasn't improv or one-offs; he played the exact (or similar) thing the other show, telling me that he knows exactly what he's playing at any given moment. I haven't had my jaw drop by a guitar player in a LONG LONG time, and JP can still do that. Again, though, I just grew up with other guys - many of whom are an inspiration to John - that factored in more.
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Someone voted Tobias Forge? :rollin didn't even know he played guitar!
I think he plays all guitar parts on the albums. Live he uses the nameless ghouls for that.
Correct - and that's why I voted for him.
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At work so I can't post my list but I'm not surprised about JP and EVH. JP was the first guitarist that seemed otherworldly to me, I couldn't believe what I was hearing when I first heard him play.
I was late to the game with EVH but I can't really add to anything that was already said about him. He was a powerhouse and had one of the best guitar tones around. The won't writing lacked at times but his playing was always 10/10.
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Thanks for running this Kev. I didn't submit a list but enjoyed following along.
Lifeson might not have made my list. I very much enjoy Rush, but the guitar work was never a really driving force in why. I would agree with others that soloing isn't Alex's strong suit and I never delved deeply enough into the minutiae of Rush's music to gain a good appreciation of his rhythm/chordal work.
David Gilmour would've made my list, though maybe not top 5. Great player, tremendous feel, maybe a touch overrated imo.
What is there to say about EVH. A true innovator of the instrument, killer riffs, jaw dropping solos, he had it all and in spades. Definitely would have been way up high on my list.
And last, the ineveitable #1, John Petrucci. Absolutely would have topped my list. Just a sublime combination of chops and feel. And he's not one of these guys who had a few years of inspiration and has been coasting by ever since. There's stunning guitar work scattered throughout his career from the early days of Dream Theater to all of his most recent output with DT, LTE, and his second solo album. I don't think it'll ever be possible for someone else to eclipse him in terms of what he's meant to me as a musician.
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Someone voted Tobias Forge? :rollin didn't even know he played guitar!
I think he plays all guitar parts on the albums. Live he uses the nameless ghouls for that.
Correct - and that's why I voted for him.
Hell yeah :metal
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25. Steve Howe
24. Robert Fripp [Possible shot; should be, given the forum]
23. Steve Rothery [Possible shot; should be, given the forum]
22. Malcolm Young [Probably not at this point]
21. Waylon Jennings [No way in hell, and that's a shame]
20. Ace Frehley [I think this might be Animal's No. 13; he blows, but I love him anyway]
19. John Petrucci [100% given]
18. Stevie Ray Vaughan
17. James Mankey [Never in a million years. Very good, very tasteful, but not a genre this forum dips into much]
16. Paul Chapman [Never in a million years. He replaced a guy that is on the list but criminally too low, so this guy has no shot]
15. Trevor Rabin [Should be but probably not; worthy, but doesn't get much respect for also replacing someone on this list]
14. Jeff Beck [Should be, may be]
13. Keith Richards [Probably not; should get a lot more respect than he does, but I think this forum shits on him]
12. Tony Iommi [97%; this is the guy that invented heavy metal, not Dave Davies. :)]
11. Dave Navarro [Never in a million years; I think this forum will consider him a joke, sadly.]
10. Pete Townsend [Belongs, but may not have enough legs even though he influenced this lists' likely no. 1]
9. Rick Nielson [Never in a million years; way underrated, going to be jinxed by the music he plays, not how he plays it]
8. Alex Lifeson [100% chance; will probably be in the top three]
7. Dave Murray
6. Michael Schenker
5. Randy Rhoads
4. David Gilmour [Should be; he's the guitar player on what I know to be at least three people here's favorite record of all time]
3. Eddie Van Halen [Should be a given]
2. Jimmy Page [Should be a given, may be overlooked]
1. Ritchie Blackmore
26. Brian May
29. Mark Knopfler
30. Saul "Slash" Hudson
36. James Hetfield
41. Jimi Hendrix
47. Glenn Tipton
NR: Chris DeGarmo
NR: Guthrie Goven
NR: Jim Matheos
NR: Dave Mustaine
NR: Joe Satriani
NR: Adrian Smith
NR: Steve Vai
So I called the final six. The guy left out? Devin Townsend. I didn't rank him, because there's a lot I don't listen to (the SYL stuff, mainly) but I know he's loved and revered here, so I thought he'd at least crack the top 25.
Couple shout outs: Rick Nielson, Dave Navarro (Jane's Addiction), and James Mankey (Concrete Blonde). I think Navarro is hugely influential, but not for guys that are on this list (I think he's got a great presence in the grunge sound).
As for foreshadowing, I feel really strongly in favor of Kev on the song/album lists, because the list of possible entries is finite. We're all working from the same page, so it's kind of a dick move to foreshadow too early. I'm a little more lenient in these, since there are clearly a TON of people that are on literally one list. I could have easily mentioned "James Mankey" and not affected the countdown even a little. BUT: I do respect Kev, and love that he does this (and would love to have more lists in the future) so I respect his wishes, as strictly as I can. THANKS, KEV!!!
Never heard of Michael Romeo, and not a fan of Symphony X (I think Russell Allen is top three most overrated musicians on this forum; I just don't get it/see it.)
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EVH would've been my numero uno but I'm surprised he rated so high around here :metal
My one quick surprise observation of the final list is how many relative nobodies beat out Angus Young (3 points) :o
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Rank Item
1 Eddie van Halen
2 Steve Vai
3 Frank Zappa
4 Joe Satriani
5 John Petrucci
6 Al di Meola
7 Slash
8 Allan Holdsworth
9 Richie Kotzen
10 James Hetfield
11 Rocky George
12 Devin Townsend
13 Guthrie Govan
14 Johnny Ricco
15 Geordie Walker
16 Jake E Lee
17 Alex Skolnick
18 Jason Becker
19 Jimmy Page
20 Steven Wilson
21 Kirk Hammett
22 John McGeoch
23 Marty Friedman
24 Hermann Li
25 Adrian Smith
26 Buckethead
27 Dan Donegan
28 Jeff Beck
29 Vernon Reid
30 Tobin Abassi
31 Billy Duffy
32 Dave Mustaine
33 Dimebag
34 Alex Lifeson
35 Dave Murray
36 Jeff Loomis
37 Zakk Wylde
38 Rory Gallagher
I could have kept going, but these were in mix for a top 25 place.
Really surprised that Zappa didn’t place higher.
I think someone else must have had Rocky George and Johnny Ricco in their lists…maybe not.
Hendrix probably should have been on my list somewhere
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My 26-50:
26 Brian May
27 Elliot Easton
28 Lindsey Buckingham
29 Mark Knopfler
30 Saul Hudson
31 Warren Haynes
32 Steve Morse
33 Neal Schon
34 Jerry Garcia
35 Steve Lukather
36 James Hetfield
37 Devin Townsend
38 Stone Gossard
39 Joe Perry
40 Nuno Bettencourt
41 Jimi Hendrix
42 Noel Gallagher
43 The Edge
44 Adrian Vandenberg
45 James Burton
46 Hank Marvin
47 Glenn Tipton
48 Chet Atkins
49 Scotty Moore
50 Dominic Miller
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I'm peeved because I listed David St. Hubbins instead of Nigel Tufnel :facepalm:
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Good stuff, as always.
I had EVH at # 2 and JP at # 3. Those being the final 2 should have been obvious to everyone.
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Rank Item
5 John Petrucci
10 James Hetfield
12 Devin Townsend
21 Kirk Hammett
23 Marty Friedman
24 Hermann Li
32 Dave Mustaine
33 Dimebag
Nice, we had a fair bit of crossover (possibly more than I'd have with anybody else). Good to see Li in there :metal
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Unsurprising finish. If Drummers is indeed next, I wonder if the shoe-in #1 would win by as much of a margin as JP did. Probably not given the recent comments about that band's guitarist.
Fascinating to see the names that just missed the cut. If things hadn't been so hectic for me and I'd have gotten a list in, Schon and Yngvie would've made the top 25, bumping SRV and probably DeGarmo.
Looking forward to perusing everyone else's lists throughout the day.
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25. Angus Young (AC/DC)
24. Lori Linstruth (Solo/Arjen projects, sadly retired from guitar over a decade ago)
23. Eddie Van Halen
22. Yossi Sassi (Orphaned Land)
21. Devin Townsend (Coffee)
20. Luca Turilli (Rhapsody)
19. Tony Iommi
18. Jimmy Page
17. Jørn Viggo Lofstad (Pagan's Mind/Northward/etc.)
16. Matt Bellamy (Muse)
15. Dimebag Darrell (Panther)
14. Arjen Anthony Lucassen (Ayreon)
13. Rene Rutten (The Gathering)
12. Michael Amott (Arch Enemy)
11. Stevie Ray Vaughan
10. Steven Wilson (No clue)
9. Michael Romeo (Symphony X)
8. Brian May
7. Alex Lifeson
6. Randy Rhoads
5. Mark Tremonti (Creed and some other stuff)
4. John Schaffer (Insurrection)
3. Daniel Gildenlow (Pain of Salvation)
2. John Petrucci
1. James Hetfield
SHOCKED AT THESE TWO! SHOCKED!
Petrucci came in at 2. I have 3 old school MM Petrucci guitars for a reason. Dude is just a major inspiration even if I don't like much of his DT playing for the last 10+ years.
Van Halen came in at 23. Obviously was gonna be super high. I dig him but not nearly as much as most of the other people on my list. His talent alone is really the only reason he made it at all.
Put the rest of my list, with the people who didn't make it in red and info about how I know them. As I said before, my main criteria was simple. "Does this person make me want to go pick up a guitar and get inspired?" And that's how I crafted my list. Mostly rhythm people, and even people like Michael Romeo, it's for their riff writing more than their solos.
Thanks so much Kev for doing all of this again! I started putting together a top 25 drummers in anticipation. Harder than I thought! No idea if I could do top 25 bassists.
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So, my method of ranking the top guitarists was a combination of talent, how much their music connects with me, and how much they make me want to play their music (and this is a big one for me). With that said, here is my list:
25. Ritchie Blackmore
24. Eric Clapton (I actually meant to write Eric Johnson. No idea why I wrote Clapton).
23. Billy Gibson (Love his style.)
22. Johannes Linstead (Unknown classical/flamenco player)
21. Glen Tipton
20. James Hetfield
19. Kragen Lum (Unknown metal guitarist, with a descent catalog. Love his style)
18. Jason Becker (Tragic short career, but tremendous player. Included mainly for his writing)
17. Matt Heafy
16. Mark Tremonti
15. Marty Friedman
14. Aaron Marshall
13. Angel Vivaldi
12. Steve Lukather
11. Travis Stever
10. Oli Herbert - His writing in All That Remains was what drove my liking of the band, which was big on my playing in the mid-late 2000's.
9. Brent Hinds - I started listening to Mastodon because of the vocals, but the wacky guitar parts sucked me in. I think he is the most unique player in my top 10 (IMO).
8. Synister Gates - I haven't followed A7X since the whole drummer/Portnoy drama. Hail to the King did nothing for me so I kind of stopped listening to them. But that doesn't take away of how good this guy is. A seriously versatile player.
7. Randy Rhoads
6. Dan Donegan - Similar to A7X and All That Remains, Disturbed where a big part of me playing guitar early on. Dan Donegan I feel is a guitarist you can hear his progression and improvement throughout his discography. Though the last few Disturbed album have been a bit...boring, he still has some great leads and solos in them.
5. David Gilmour
4. Neal Schon - This one I'm surprised he didn't make it. If I had to credit one player responsible for me picking up a guitar, it would be Schon. I grew up listening to Journey because of my father. And the thing that always stuck out the most was the guitar tone, the licks, the riffs, and those very melodic solos. To this day, the solos for Who's Crying Now and I'll Be Alright Without You are some of my favorites.
3. Plini - Well, here comes the new kid in town. He hasn't been around for long, but Plini is just a great player. The thing I like about him the most is that he plays to the music. Not in a showoff way, always selecting the right phrasing, the right note selection, and his writing is some of the most interesting I've seen in a while.
2. John Petrucci -Not much to say here. He was my #1 for a while, but then came this guy...
1. Buckethead - Now, Who would think of taking seriously, a guitar player with a bucket on his head and a mask. I first heard of Buckethead in 2004 (or around that time), and there were a few tunes I liked. I thought the killswitch on his guitar was cool AF, and I thought he was very talented, but that's as far as it went. Then he had that quick phase with Guns and Roses, but I never care for GnR so, meh. Fast forward to 2017, I got reminded of Buckethead because one of his tunes was plying so I go "Hey, I wonder what he's up to these days", and boy was I shocked to find that since I last listened to Buckethead (I saw him live in 2009), the dude released over 200 albums! (Each about 30 minutes or so). Now of course quantity means nothing if the quality is crap. Nevertheless, I started listening to his music and I was hooked. There is so much variety and unique stuff he put out and I was stunned. In 2015 alone, he released 118 albums, that is more than 2 albums a week. While not everything was top notch quality, the vast majority was. As of right now, Buckethead is up to 435 albums, not counting live albums, being a feature artist, or collaboration work. Just last week alone, he released 3 albums. This is one of the rare examples where quantity matters, because with over 12,000 hours of solo studio music, the amount of good stuff you'll find is freaking huge. Not the most technical, not the most talented, but the amount of good music just sets him apart.
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Here's my full list, if anyone's interested. Bolded ones are the ones who showed up.
Little preface: this list would have been VERY different if I had made it 3-5 years ago. Around that time I started getting into jazz and jazz guitar and as a student of jazz guitar now, I had to inlcude some of my current heroes for obvious reasons. As I'm still in the exploring phase, some jazz-minded people might look at my list and see some glaring omissions (Bill Frisell? Kenny Burrell? etc.) , but I don't know everything by everyone yet to give good judgement. Let's have a look at what I submitted..
25 Jim Hall - Wonderful player who plays perfectly within his limitations. Doesn't surprise me that I was the only one who voted for him. Recommended album would be the one he did in duo with Bill Evans called Undercurrent.
24 George Harrison - Honestly, I don't know who plays all the Beatles stuff and it probably would have been better to list Paul here instead, but whatever. Credits to the Beatles for turning the guitar into a pop music songwriting device.
23 Steve Lukather - Easily overlooked as a player, but he plays so much tasty stuff. Love his work in Toto and there's a reason why he's played on over 1500 records (as per Wikipedia).
22 Jimmy Raney - 1950's jazz player who was way ahead of his time compared to his contemporaries. Check out the 'Pennis From Heaven' compilation to get an idea.
21 Jeff Buckley - Here more for his songwriting with the guitar than as a actual player, but what he does with the guitar in combination with his voice is really something else. Everything he did sounded like him nobody else.
20 Daron Malakian - A weird pick for sure, but this is the best and most distinctive guitarist (I think) to come out of the 00's nu-metal scene. System of a Down wasn't a favourite of mine, but he took his rhythmic approach to another level and did some awesome stuff with it.
19 Guthrie Govan - Some dude that played a nice solo on a Steven Wilson record.
18 Gilad Hekselman - Modern jazz guy, love his melodic playing.
17 Tommy Emmanuel - I mean, this is just the best acoustic guitar player in the world. He is literally unmatched.
16 Brian May - This person was in some band called Queen I think, apparently built his own guitar.
15 David Gilmour - Responsible for many people's favourite guitar solo for some reason.
14 Pat Metheny - People who play guitar should check this guy out if they haven't already. Pat Metheny can do anything and everything and will amaze you with everything he does. Good starting point is the Bright Size Life record he did when he was just 21.
13 John McLaughlin - To me, this is the jazz fusion master. From his stuff in Miles Davis's first fusion records, to the Mahavishnu Orchestra, as well as his solo stuff. I haven't heard everything he's done, but it's probably all fantastic. Also did some record with Paco de Lucia and Al di Meola that was highly praised.
12 Daniel Gildenlöw - As far as contemporary progressive rock / metal goes, this guy is outmatched by only one other. Being the song-writer and main guitarist in one of my (past) favourite groups certainly helps, and I would understand if people don't view him as a guitar player, but he wrote and played some awesome stuff.
11 Robert Fripp - The King Crimson king that did all kinds of weird and surprisingly technical stuff as well. Pretty sure most here will know of him, but don't actively listen to King Crimson because they're not the easiest band to get into. There's great playing on those records, hence me naming him #11.
10 Richard Henshall - Main guitarist and chief songwriter in Haken for those who don't recognise the name. Repsonsible for a lot of the awesome leads you hear on Haken records.
9 Wes Montgomery - One of the absolute kings of jazz guitar. Glad to see him featured more than once. Do check out the Live at the Blue Note for a taste of his playing.
8 Kurt Rosenwinkel - As far as modern jazz guitar goes, this is the person to beat. Basically everything he plays is perfect. I wholeheartedly recommend the album East Coast Love Affair. Fantastic stuff.
7 James Hetfield - I think this guy is in Matellica, not sure.
6 Tim Smith - Now this is - BY FAR - the biggest stretch on my list and one of a few that I sure would never make it. Tim Smith is the leader / songwriter / guitarist of Cardiacs, which is band people either love or dislike. Put me in the 'love' camp and if you then pay attention to all the creative stuff this guy does with a guitar, it's crazy. Cardiacs sound like nothing else on the planet, and to me, that's a lot due to the guitar playing. Even if he doesn't play anything (I honestly don't know), at least he wrote the stuff and championed his band's crazy music for years.
5 Jimi Hendrix - Everything about Jimi Hendrix has been said already and I have nothing to add to it, other than that it can't be overstated how important this guy was for the evolution of the guitar as a mainstream, solo instrument. Thanks for the music, Jimi.
4 Reinier Baas - Of course he had no chance. He's a (relatively) young Dutch guitar player, often hailed as one of the Dutch prodigies in improvised music. The stuff he does with his guitar is incredible. I've seen him live three times and left astonished every single time because of what I saw. He has a couple of projects on record. The 'Deadeye' stuff is cool, but if you ever get the chance, see him live, it's worth it.
3 Joe Pass - I'm the only one to vote for him. That's a shame. I'd say this is the most influential jazz guitar player of the last 60-70 years. Everything he played was perfect, every note he put in solos was right, all his lines are without fault. His phrasing is unmatched, the tone classic. Literally look up any video of him playing to get an idea. His (solo) recording Virtuoso is a highlight of his career and probably the best solo jazz guitar recording ever. Joe Pass is the guy every jazz guitarist has studied. Joe Pass was the best.
2 John Petrucci - Not my favourite John.
1 John Scofield - 27 points in total. Of which 25 came from my first place. Well, he really had no chance, did he :lol . Even though I just said Joe Pass was the best, Pass primarily played acoustic guitars in a time when that was the norm for jazz guitarists. Scofield plays electric (mostly) and Scofield sounds like Scofield. Everything he plays is deliberate, everything he doesn't play is deliberate. He can do anything and he'll show you when you see him live. To me, what John Scofield does is the pinnacle of what you can do on an electric guitar. His improvisational skills are out of this world, but you can say that about all the other jazz guys on my list. Scofield is my favourite because he grooves, his stuff is melodic, his stuff is catchy and everything he does has purpose. Nothing is extra or flashy for the sake of being flashy. Scofield makes music by playing only what the music demands. See him live. Seriously, that's a suggestion for everyone. Watch him interact with his bandmates, watch him play everything without looking, improvising an entire song together only to stop and take a break when the music demands it. At the moment, this is my favourite guitar player and if seeing him live is not an option, check out 'This Meets That' or 'A Go Go' to get a taste.
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Sorry to all the amazing guitarists I missed!
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Rank Item
3 Frank Zappa
Respect. I had Frank at 7.
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Here's mine, complete with jazz and bluegrass players.
25 Kurt Rosenwinkel
24 John Scofield
23 Chris Eldridge
22 Billy Strings
21 Molly Tuttle
20 Steve Lukather
19 Tommy Emmanuel
18 Larry Carlton
17 Larry Coryell
16 Dickey Betts
15 David Gilmour
14 Julian Lage
13 Bill Frisell
12 Wes Montgomery
11 Jimmy Page
10 Jimmy Hendrix
9 Jeff Beck
8 John McLaughlin
7 Brian May
6 Duane Allman
5 Steve Vai
4 Joe Satriani
3 John Petrucci
2 Eddie Van Halen
1 Stevie Ray Vaughan
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Was I seriously the only person that had Jerry Garcia?
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Will have some thoughts and share my list further, but I’m still a little surprised there weren’t enough Eric Johnson fans (my number 1) to get him on the list. He’s the perfect guitarist IMO. Absolutely beautiful and unique tone, incredible fluidity, amazing solos, and he does all kinds of cool and creative things with his guitar (like making it sound like a koto). He takes two formats that can be sterile and repetitive (blues and shred) and makes them really musical and song based. Just someone I could listen to all day.
Eric Johnson is awesome, but he really only has two albums I like - Ah Via Musicom and Venus Isle - and I rarely listen to either anymore. I do like both a lot, but I just can't call someone a favorite when they have no material that I listen to regularly. That is why he didn't make my list.
Fair enough, I had several guys like that who I just don’t listen to enough to rank. He peaked with Venus Isle for sure, but that three album run of Tones, Ah Via Musicom, and Venus Isle is enough to set him apart for me. After that he’s uneven, but I do really like his first acoustic album EJ and a his latest has some really good stuff on it. Basically, when I want to specifically listen to guitar, he’s the guy I reach for. I see now that he came just a few points from making the back of the list!
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Was I seriously the only person that had Jerry Garcia?
I couldn't vote for him, I don't know who he is.
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Was I seriously the only person that had Cherry Garcia?
Probably. I prefer The Tonight Dough.
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Thanks for doing this Kev, as fun as always.
Here's my top 25.
25 Cory Wong
24 Julian Lage
23 Alan Morse
22 Paco De Lucia
21 Steve Hackett
20 Wes Montgomery
19 Roine Stolt
18 Bumblefoot
17 David Gilmour
16 Tim Henson
15 Steve Morse
14 Tony Macalpine
13 Pat Metheny
12 Robert Fripp
11 Al Di Meola
10 Tosin Abasi
9 Charlie Griffiths
8 Richard Henshall
7 Plini
6 Allan Holdsworth
5 Steve Lukather
4 Joe Satriani
3 Guthrie Govan
2 Steve Vai
1 John Petrucci
5/25 :coolio Surpsied not seeing Lukather in the top 25 list considering it's basically only 80's/70's players who made it. I guess he's not metal enough? 🤷
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Was I seriously the only person that had Jerry Garcia?
I couldn't vote for him, I don't know who he is.
Guitarist for the Grateful Dead... I knew he had zero shot at the final list, but I thought there'd be at least one other fogey to toss him a vote.
Was I seriously the only person that had Cherry Garcia?
Probably. I prefer The Tonight Dough.
Strawberry Cheesecake Topped is where it's at...
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Was I seriously the only person that had Jerry Garcia?
I couldn't vote for him, I don't know who he is.
Lame excuse :P
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Was I seriously the only person that had Jerry Garcia?
Not only were you the only person, I'm surprised that YOU voted for him, given that he played neither power metal nor Japanese female metal lol
Grateful Dead seems a little tame for you.
I never really got into their stuff. If I were going to vote for someone in that realm, it would have been Trey Anastasio, not Garcia.
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17 Tommy Emmanuel - I mean, this is just the best acoustic guitar player in the world. He is literally unmatched.
I had him at #8.
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Was I seriously the only person that had Jerry Garcia?
Not only were you the only person, I'm surprised that YOU voted for him, given that he played neither power metal nor Japanese female metal lol
Grateful Dead seems a little tame for you.
I never really got into their stuff. If I were going to vote for someone in that realm, it would have been Trey Anastasio, not Garcia.
I've seen him live more than any other guitarist on my list, easily 20-30 times.
Remember, I did go to school at UC Berkeley...
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Was I seriously the only person that had Jerry Garcia?
Not only were you the only person, I'm surprised that YOU voted for him, given that he played neither power metal nor Japanese female metal lol
Grateful Dead seems a little tame for you.
I never really got into their stuff. If I were going to vote for someone in that realm, it would have been Trey Anastasio, not Garcia.
I've seen him live more than any other guitarist on my list, easily 20-30 times.
Remember, I did go to school at UC Berkeley...
Ah yes.
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Eddie is a fine choice, even though I didn't rank him. Obvious number one is obvious. My number one, forever. :tup
I am absolutely stunned that Robert Fripp didn't end up in the top 25. Yesterday I honestly thought he could be #2. :lol
That full list will be a nice reading material in the next days, especially the discussion. Someone else had Mark Oliver Everett on the list and not just me, right? Three points?
Once again, Kev, a brilliant job and good fun as always. :tup
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I was a little surprised that guys like Jeff Beck, John McLaughlin, Steve Lukather, and Robert Fripp didn't make the list. But frankly, with all the metalheads here, I guess they didn't stand a chance lol
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Here was my full list. I’d say the last 10 were a bit interchangeable with probably the next 20 guys on my initial list, but they all made it for one reason or another. The top 15 are they guys I feel more strongly about. It looks like Neal Schon was number 26 on the overall list. Eric Johnson, Paul Gilbert, Robert Fripp just missed as well. Disappointed that Rothery didn’t perform a little better. He’s a more versatile version of David Gilmour IMO. Also Ty Tabor didn’t get as much love as I hoped. Glad to see at least one other vote for Alan Morse. He has some of my favorite solos for sure.
25. Gary Hoey
24. Reb Beach
23. Mike Keneally
22. Rikard Sjöblom
21. Randy McStine
20. Richie Kotzen
19. David Scott
18. Alasdair MacLean
17. Billy Corgan
16. Fernando Perdomo
15. Robert Fripp
14. Andrew Latimer
13. Paul Gilbert
12. Steve Hackett
11. John Petrucci
10. Eddie Van Halen
9. Doug Ott
8. Dave Gregory
7. Roine Stolt
6. Neal Schon
5. Alex Lifeson
4. Alan Morse
3. Ty Tabor
2. Steve Rothery
1. Eric Johnson
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I think the only one I'm truly surprised didn't make it is Rik Emmett, and I blame Chad and Joe for that, since they both would've had him in their top 5.
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Here was my full list. I’d say the last 10 were a bit interchangeable with probably the next 20 guys on my initial list, but they all made it for one reason or another. The top 15 are they guys I feel more strongly about. It looks like Neal Schon was number 26 on the overall list. Eric Johnson, Paul Gilbert, Robert Fripp just missed as well. Disappointed that Rothery didn’t perform a little better. He’s a more versatile version of David Gilmour IMO. Also Ty Tabor didn’t get as much love as I hoped. Glad to see at least one other vote for Alan Morse. He has some of my favorite solos for sure.
25. Gary Hoey
24. Reb Beach
23. Mike Keneally
22. Rikard Sjöblom
21. Randy McStine
20. Richie Kotzen
19. David Scott
18. Alasdair MacLean
17. Billy Corgan
16. Fernando Perdomo
15. Robert Fripp
14. Andrew Latimer
13. Paul Gilbert
12. Steve Hackett
11. John Petrucci
10. Eddie Van Halen
9. Doug Ott
8. Dave Gregory
7. Roine Stolt
6. Neal Schon
5. Alex Lifeson
4. Alan Morse
3. Ty Tabor
2. Steve Rothery
1. Eric Johnson
Gary Hoey's sister was married to my cousin. Sadly, she passed away this past year. Beautiful memorial for her. She lit up the room. Funny and was a great singer. Gary just lost his mom too.
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Here was my full list. I’d say the last 10 were a bit interchangeable with probably the next 20 guys on my initial list, but they all made it for one reason or another. The top 15 are they guys I feel more strongly about. It looks like Neal Schon was number 26 on the overall list. Eric Johnson, Paul Gilbert, Robert Fripp just missed as well. Disappointed that Rothery didn’t perform a little better. He’s a more versatile version of David Gilmour IMO. Also Ty Tabor didn’t get as much love as I hoped. Glad to see at least one other vote for Alan Morse. He has some of my favorite solos for sure.
25. Gary Hoey
24. Reb Beach
23. Mike Keneally
22. Rikard Sjöblom
21. Randy McStine
20. Richie Kotzen
19. David Scott
18. Alasdair MacLean
17. Billy Corgan
16. Fernando Perdomo
15. Robert Fripp
14. Andrew Latimer
13. Paul Gilbert
12. Steve Hackett
11. John Petrucci
10. Eddie Van Halen
9. Doug Ott
8. Dave Gregory
7. Roine Stolt
6. Neal Schon
5. Alex Lifeson
4. Alan Morse
3. Ty Tabor
2. Steve Rothery
1. Eric Johnson
Gary Hoey's sister was married to my cousin. Sadly, she passed away this past year. Beautiful memorial for her. She lit up the room. Funny and was a great singer. Gary just lost his mom too.
Ah man, that’s sad. Sorry to hear about both. Hoey was one of those early guitar influences for me. Animal Instincts was one of the first albums I owned, and Peace Pipe from Bug Alley was a song I really loved as well. Wanted to give him a nod on the last spot on my list.
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I got to see my best friend jump up on stage and play drums with Gary. I was surprised to see him on a list. Made my day.
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I loved Hoey's stuff back in the day, and I definitely still listen to a tune or several every Christmas.
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Gary Moore and Rik Emmett are the two big disappointments for me.
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Re: Gary Hoey, also see the track “City Sunrise.”
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Rik Emmett is a guy that would have made my list up until recently, but I gave a few Triumph albums somewhat recent listens and was surprised by how well they didn't age. I still love some of their songs, but I just don't listen to them much anymore outside of a few songs I will reach for on their own, and like Eric Johnson, I cannot justify putting someone on there I almost never listen to anymore.
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Rik Emmett is a guy that would have made my list up until recently, but I gave a few Triumph albums somewhat recent listens and was surprised by how well they didn't age. I still love some of their songs, but I just don't listen to them much anymore outside of a few songs I will reach for on their own, and like Eric Johnson, I cannot justify putting someone on there I almost never listen to anymore.
I saw him on his last acoustic tour a few years ago, and that pretty much cemented him in my all time top 5. Amazing guitarists, frontman, showman, and songwriter. Truly the total package.
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JP and EVH are my #1 and #2. It's hard to compete with JP, his completeness and DT's body of work. And EVH really changed the game, maybe in the way that only Jimmy Hendrix did before him and nobody did after EVH.
Yes, I really regret not including a lot of names seen on other lists, but the name I most regret not making my list was Steve Rothery from Marillion. To me, he's an even better version of David Gilmour (who should also have been on my list).
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JP and EVH are my #1 and #2. It's hard to compete with JP, his completeness and DT's body of work. And EVH really changed the game, maybe in the way that only Jimmy Hendrix did before him and nobody did after EVH.
Yes, I really regret not including a lot of names seen on other lists, but the name I most regret not making my list was Steve Rothery from Marillion. To me, he's an even better version of David Gilmour (who should also have been on my list).
Yup!
Disappointed that Rothery didn’t perform a little better. He’s a more versatile version of David Gilmour IMO.
2. Steve Rothery
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Literally what HOF said! :D
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25 Brian May
24 Dave Murray
23 Kirk Hammett - Very surprised to not see him on this list. James IMO is the better guitarist overall, but I thought for sure Kirk would be on there somewhere.
22 Pat Metheny
21 Jónsi
20 John Frusciante
19 Fredrik Thordendal
18 Dean Ween
17 Steve Morse
16 Guthrie Govan
15 Roine Stolt
14 Tony Iommi
13 Adrian Belew
12 Brent Hinds
11 Mark Holcomb
10 Claudio Sanchez
9 Steve Hackett
8 Alex Lifeson
7 Robert Fripp
6 Devin Townsend
5 James Hetfield
4 Jimi Hendrix
3 Eddie Van Halen
2 David Gilmour
1 John Petrucci
Thanks and great job as always Kev! :tup
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Interesting how only two of the top 25 aren't really known for solos. Hetfield has played a few, but is primarily known as a rhythm player, and Matheos might play some, but I'm not familiar enough with his work to recall
Except for a handful of solos on the last two albums and some of Darkness in a Different Light, Matheos has played every note of guitar work on every FW album from A Pleasant Shad of Gray to the present (and roughly half of all solos on all the albums before that). For me, his most memorable solo is is the classical guitar solo over a shifting 4/4, 6/4 pattern in Monument.
Have a listen please.
https://youtu.be/FNhdVufI7w4
I couldn't listen to more than about 15 seconds of that. The backing track was unlistenable. Obviously, a guy with chops, but it seemed like shredding for shredding's sake.
02 Nigel Tufnel
Appeared on 11 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (kingshmegland)
11 Top 10 Finishes
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01 Marty McFly
Appeared on 8.25 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1.21 (lonestar)
1955 Top 10 Finishes
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Hard to believe Bill S. Preston, Esq. and Ted "Theodore" Logan didn't make the list!
02 Eddie Van Halen
Appeared on 23 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Dublagent66, Fonzie)
16 Top 10 Finishes
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01 John Petrucci
Appeared on 34 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (BRGM, Awaken, Mladen, Metropolaris, devieira73, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP)
32 Top 10 Finishes
The most obvious number 1 in any countdown thus far.
I didn't rank EVH because it's a FAVORITE guitarists list, and I'm just not that big of a VH fan. But he's great. I think I'm a little surprised he hit #2, but I'm not sure how many lists were submitted by U.S. v. non-U.S. forumers. Like you said, JP was the most obvious #1 pick yet. A master of everything guitar and not just a shredder. I too had him at #3.
My final score: 12/25 (probably about what I'd have expected)
25. Michael Schenker
24. Tom Scholz
23. Kai Hansen
22. Billy Alexander (YYNOT)
21. Neal Schon (one of the few guys on my list I'm surprised didn't make the top 25 - Damn! He just missed the top 25!)
20. Michael Weikath
19. Kirk Hammett (another one I'm surprised didn't crack the top 25)
18. Tommy Shaw
17. James Hetfield
16. KK Downing
15. Tony Iommi
14. Michael Wilton
13. Rich Williams
12. Ritchie Blackmore
11. Kerry Livgren (I'm surprised how little love Kansas gets around here - Seriously? I was the only one to vote for either Livgren or Williams?!)
10. Dave Murray
9. Glenn Tipton
8. Rik Emmett (also top 10 on my vocalist list)
7. Adrian Smith
6. Chris DeGarmo
5. Steve Howe
4. Frank Aresti
3. John Petrucci
2. Jim Matheos
1. Alex Lifeson
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Was I seriously the only person that had Jerry Garcia?
:rollin :rollin
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My list...
25) Ronnie Le Tekro.
24) Angus Young.
23) Michael Sweet.
22) Uli Jon Roth.
21) Vinnie Vincent.
20) Vivian Campbell.
19) Zakk Wylde.
18) Neal Schon.
17) Jason Becker.
16) James Hetfield.
15) Glenn Tipton.
14) Alex Lifeson.
13) Dave Mustaine.
12) Michael Romeo.
11) George Lynch.
10) Warren Demartini.
9) Eddie Van Halen.
8) John Sykes.
7) Jim Matheos.
6) Phil Collen.
5) Steve Vai.
4) Yngwie Malmsteen.
3) Jake E. Lee.
2) John Petrucci.
1) Randy Rhoads.
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Ok, as I said above, I had both on my list....
EVH- #15, even though I'm not a massive VH fan, it's hard to deny the blast radius of his impact on the guitar world. I remember when he passed, there wasn't a single player I follow on socials, even all the Japanese ones, who didn't have something to say about his impact on their playing. I highly doubt there's a single other player who has that reach.
JP- #3, Yeah, do I really need to say anything? Technically, along with Howe, Govan, and EVH, he'd be on my Mt Rushmore. Impact on my life? Immeasurable, DT's music is at the pinnacle of my music life, which is so massive it's hard to even imagine it all started with those ominous opening notes of Pull Me Under coming over the radio in '92. It all started there.
Let's go ahead and reveal the rest...
25.Jason Richardson - solo
24. Tom Morello - Rage Against the Machine
23. Nita Strauss - Alice Cooper, Demi Lavato, Solo
22. Haruka Noma, AKA Hal CA- Asterism
Gonna leave this link up cause you all seriously need to see this kid play, she's just 18 here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkiKSBX8JPA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkiKSBX8JPA)
21. Jimi Page
20. Jimi Hendrix
19. Tomo Zo - Gacharic Spin
18. Samuel Ermallini - Pyramid Theorem
17. Brian May
16. Guthrie Govan
15. Eddie Van Halen
14. Tommy Shaw - Styx
13. Dave Davies - The Kinks
12. Kanami Tono - BAND-MAID
11. [I'll be fucking crushed if he doesn't make the final list]
Jerry Garcia- The Grateful Dead - As stated above, I've seen him live more than any other player. I was watching Dead videos the other night, and one comment summed up my relationship with Jerry perfectly... "he bends notes until you feel better"...
10. [most brutal player I nominated, won't be on the final list]
Greg Burgess - Allegaeon, Nuclear Power Trio Yeah, he plays for a brutally technical death metal band, but damn is this dude so much more. Classically trained, he didn't even make the move to metal till age 30, and he brought all those classical trappings to that music, making for something truly unique. Every time I see him live, it usually takes me a week to get my jaw off the floor.
9. [if everyone heard her work, she'd make the finals]
Saki - Nemophila, Amahiru, Mary's Blood, Destrose, and solo - Saki is the hardest working guitarist in the J-metal scene, a veritable female Japanese MP. She's also a primary songwriter, lyricist, and producer for Nemophila. Underneath all this hard work is an amazing rhythm player, a tremendous soloist, and one of the best free-stylers you'll ever see. And, on top of all that, she dominates any stage she is on. Everyone who comes across her, on first listen, is blown away.
8. David Gilmour
7. Alex Lifeson
6. [I'm on the fence, will get a few nominations, but they'll all be top ten at least, may make the list.
Steve Rothery - Marillion, Steve Rothery Band - Probably the biggest shocker that he didn't make it. He falls under that Gilmour aura of being a heart wrenching soloist, but can shred on a moments notice as well as attested in many monents (Hotel Hobbies???). I think his omission mostly shows how metal dominated this list, and as Kev said from the outset, how much prog lost in this battle.
5. [tragically won't make the list]
Micheal Holmes - IQ - Since no other IQ fans made a list, he got left off. Playing for my favorite band, a band that basically saved my soul, Mike really showed that you don't have to have insane solo chops to create music with a massive impact. His playing was always exactly right where it was supposed to be for the music. And nobody, and I mean nobody, bent a note like he did. Just an amazing presence in his music.
4. [if King and Jingle did this, he might have had a chance]
Rik Emmett - Triumph - right along with Howe and my eventual #1, no artist impacted my musical upbringing as much as Rik Emmett. Young and troubled me found so much peace and solace in Triumph's energetic and uplifting songs, and Rik was right at the heart of them. Magic Power, Fight the Good Fight, Hold On....all staples of my teen years. These were the songs that, when life was shitting on me, I'd spin to right my frame. A tremendous soloist, he did all the heavy lifting and the flair for one of the most energetic rock bands of the 80s.
3. John Petrucci
2. Steve Howe
1. [I'll put him at 42% to make the final list]
Pete Townshend - The Who, Solo - Seriously, shame on you all for him not making the list, though it was comforting to see him close. As a guitarist, he brought rhythm playing to a whole new level, and was one of the few who could carry that style and still absolutely dominate the music he was in. As dynamic as he was in the studio, he truly transformed the dynamic of what a live guitarist is capable of. The windmill, the auto-destruction, the sacrifice, he crushed the competition when it came to live performance....AND...on top of all that, he in my opinion is the best song writer to grace the overall rock music genre. He gave us the concept album. He gave us the rebellious teen anthem. And he was truly the first to really pinpoint the feeling of teen angst, and to pull on that thread until his magnum opus, Quadrophenia, an album that finally gave a voice to everything inside of young me that was edging me towards insanity. His music more than anything else was the thread that I used to cling on to life in my worst days. Fun fact...Pete Townshend is one of the few artists to be nominated or win an Oscar, a Grammy, and a Tony for the same work of art, Tommy.
Thanks again Kev, good fun for sure!!!
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And...as always...
Thanks to Kev for running this! Must've been a ton of work with so many names.
What's next? How about a Kansas top 50?!
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Not sure there'd be a lot of interest to be able to do a Kansas one, especially 50.
Pete Townshend is a great songwriter, but while his windmill thing is very much an iconic rock "pose," I have never considered a noteworthy guitar player, and The Who are not enough of a favorite for me to have given him any consideration. Even back when I was more of a Who fan in the 90s, I wouldn't have thought to call him a favorite as far as guitarists go.
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Took the liberty of numbering the overall list for easier reference. I only had 3 in the top 25, but another 8 in the top 50, and 3 more in the top 100 (mine in bold).
1 John Petrucci 759
2 Eddie Van Halen 396
3 Alex Lifeson 372
4 David Gilmour 320
5 James Hetfield 288
6 Jimmy Page 283
7 Tony Iommi 241
8 Steve Vai 236
9 Joe Satriani 213
10 Randy Rhoads 170
11 Brian May 162
12 Adrian Smith 157
13 Guthrie Govan 154
14 Jimi Hendrix 147
15 Steve Howe 143
16 Dave Murray 133
17 Slash 130
18 Ritchie Blackmore 124
19 Mark Knopfler 124
20 Glenn Tipton 121
21 Jim Matheos 111
22 Dave Mustaine 110
23 Michael Schenker 105
24 Chris DeGarmo 98
25 Stevie Ray Vaughan 96
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26 Neal Schon 94
27 Yngwie Malmsteen 92
28 Mark Tremonti 92
29 Paul Gilbert 91
30 Eric Johnson 90
31 Devin Townsend 89
32 Pete Townshend 87
33 Al DiMeola 84
34 Robert Fripp 80
35 Mikael Akerfeldt 78
36 Dimebag Darrell 75
37 Steve Lukather 71
38 Kirk Hammett 71
39 Gary Moore 71
40 Michael Romeo 69
41 Steven Wilson 66
42 Steve Hackett 65
43 Roine Stolt 65
44 Jeff Beck 63
45 Jason Becker 61
46 Plini 60
47 Steve Rothery 59
48 Ritchie Kotzen 59
49 Brent Hinds 58
50 Marty Friedman 54
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51 John McLaughlin 54
52 Wes Montgomery 52
53 Kai Hansen 52
54 Alexi Laiho 52
55 Frank Zappa 51
56 Steve Morse 50
57 George Harrison 49
58 George Lynch 48
59 Pat Methany 47
60 Rik Emmett 46
61 Nuno Bettencourt 45
62 Ace Frehley 44
63 Tony McAlpine 42
64 Claudio Sanchez 41
65 Wolf Hoffman 40
66 Jerry Cantrell 40
67 Adam Jones 39
68 Zakk Wylde 38
69 Vernon Reid 38
70 Ty Tabor 38
71 Tosin Abasi 38
72 Allan Holdsworth 38
73 Jake E Lee 37
74 Daniel Gildenlow 37
75 Jeff Loomis 35
76 Frank Aresti 35
77 Tommy Emmanuel 34
78 Richard Henshall 34
79 Paul Chapman 34
80 Julian Lage 34
81 Eric Clapton 33
82 Buckethead 33
83 Criss Oliva 31
84 Alan Morse 31
85 Chuck Schuldiner 30
86 Andy LaRocque 30
87 Andrew Latimer 30
88 Rivers Cuomo 29
89 Derek Trucks 28
90 Synyster Gates 27
91 Lindsey Buckingham 27
92 John Scofield 27
93 Tommy Shaw 26
94 Paco De Lucia 26
95 KK Downing 25
96 Eric Gillette 25
97 Vicente Amigo 24
98 Mike Einzinger 24
99 Matt Heafy 24
100 Per Nilsson 23
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101 Joe Pass 23
102 Gary Richrath 23
103 Reinier Baas 22
104 John Schaffer 22
105 Bill Keliher 22
106 Warren DeMartini 21
107 Stephan Rak 21
108 Michael Holmes 21
109 Mark Engles 21
110 John Sykes 21
111 Akira Takasaki 21
112 Tom Morello 20
113 Tobias Forge 20
114 Tim Smith 20
115 Phil Keaggy 20
116 Phil Collen 20
117 Michael Kelsey 20
118 Duane Allman 20
119 Dan Donegan 20
120 Steven Stevens 19
121 Misha Mansoor 19
122 Michael Weikath 19
123 Larry LaLonde 19
124 Kurt Rosenwinkel 19
125 Kaki King 19
126 Joe Bonamassa 19
127 Ian Anderson 19
128 Buck Dharma 19
129 Aaron Marshall 19
130 Tom Petty 18
131 Robben Ford 18
132 Michael Amott 18
133 Matt Bellamy 18
134 Dave Gregory 18
135 Billy Gibbons 18
136 Uli Jon Roth 17
137 Saki 17
138 Rick Nielson 17
139 Radim Hladik 17
140 Marco Sfogli 17
141 Doug Ott 17
142 David Maxim Micic 17
143 Charlie Griffiths 17
144 CC Deville 17
145 Oli Herbert 16
146 Ola Englund 16
147 Magnus Karlsson 16
148 Greg Burgess 16
149 Gary Clark, Jr. 16
150 Francisco Tarrega 16
151 Andy McKee 16
152 Travis Stever 15
153 Santiago Dobles 15
154 Rocky George 15
155 Prince 15
156 Mark Holcomb 15
157 Kerry Livgren 15
158 Jerry Garcia 15
159 Jannick Gers 15
160 J.J. Cale 15
161 Graham Coxon 15
162 Dave Navarro 15
163 BB King 15
164 Alex Skolnick 15
165 Keith Richards 14
166 Kanami Tono 14
167 El Hefe 14
168 Trevor Rabin 13
169 The Edge 13
170 Sam Totman 13
171 Rich Williams 13
172 Rene Rutten 13
173 Punky Meadows 13
174 Peter Buck 13
175 Jakub Zytecki 13
176 Dave Prichard 13
177 Dave Davies 13
178 Chet Atkins 13
179 Bill Frisell 13
180 Angel Vivaldi 13
181 Adrian Belew 13
182 Scott Gorham 12
183 Paul Sayer 12
184 Michael Wilton 12
185 Michael Landua 12
186 Matthias Jabs 12
187 Jonny Greenwood 12
188 Johhny Ricco 12
189 Joe Perry 12
190 Jeff Hanneman 12
191 Dick Wagner 12
192 Dave Menniketti 12
193 Chris Poland 12
194 Arjen Anthony Luccassen 12
195 Yvette Young 11
196 Vivian Campbell 11
197 Vinnie Moore 11
198 Tom Englund 11
199 Todd Park Mohr 11
200 Stochela Rosenburg 11
201 Roy Z 11
202 Martin Barre 11
203 Hermann Li 11
204 Geordie Walker 11
205 Dann Huff 11
206 Axel Rudi Pell 11
207 Tim Henson 10
208 Nick Lee 10
209 Mark Morton 10
210 Johnny Marr 10
211 Henjo Richter 10
212 Fernando Perdomo 10
213 Dickey Betts 10
214 Tom Scholz 9
215 Tom MacLean 9
216 Malcolm Young 9
217 Larry Coryell 9
218 Justin Hawkins 9
219 Jorn Viggo Lofstad 9
220 John 5 9
221 Jani Liimatainen 9
222 James Mankey 9
223 Billy Corgan 9
224 Tom Keifer 8
225 Samuel Ermellini 8
226 Piotr Grudzinski 8
227 Paul Waggoner 8
228 Paul Simon 8
229 Larry Carlton 8
230 Kenny Burrell 8
231 Gus G 8
232 Gilad Hekselman 8
233 Dean Ween 8
234 Corey Beaulieu 8
235 Alasdair Maclean 8
236 Tomo Zo 7
237 Roger Fisher 7
238 Phil Demmel 7
239 Mike Oldfield 7
240 Mick Ronson 7
241 Kragen Lum 7
242 Kevin Barnes 7
243 Fredrik Thordendal 7
244 David Scott 7
245 Buddy Guy 7
246 Mick Mars 6
247 Michael Sweet 6
248 Luke Morley 6
249 Luca Turilli 6
250 John Lennon 6
251 John Frusciante 6
252 Gary Holt 6
253 Erik Mongrain 6
254 Django Reinhardt 6
255 Daron Malakian 6
256 Brian Robertson 6
257 Waylon Jennings 5
258 Vinnie Vincent 5
259 Randy McStine 5
260 Nathaniel Murphy 5
261 Molly Tuttle 5
262 Mac Demarco 5
263 Kazuhito Yamashita 5
264 Jonsi 5
265 Jeff Buckley 5
266 Glen Drover 5
267 Chris Rea 5
268 Bjorn Gelotte 5
269 Yossi Sassi 4
270 Scott Ian 4
271 Roland Grapow 4
272 Rikard Sjoblom 4
273 Nita Strauss 4
274 John McGeoch 4
275 Johannes Linstead 4
276 Jimmy Raney 4
277 Hal CA 4
278 Carlos Santana 4
279 Billy Strings 4
280 Billy Alexander 4
281 Tsuyoshi Sekito 3
282 Mike Keneally 3
283 Mark Oliver Everett 3
284 John Mitchell 3
285 Jake Kiska 3
286 Chris Elrdige 3
287 Angus Young 3
288 Reb Beach 2
289 Lori Linstruth 2
290 Don Ross 2
291 Anders Bjorler 2
292 Alex Hutchings 2
293 Walter Trout 1
294 Timo Tolkki 1
295 Ronnie Le Tekro 1
296 Matt Scannell 1
297 Karel Plihal 1
298 Jim Hall 1
299 Jason Richardson 1
300 Gary Hoey 1
301 Cory Wong 1
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My list...
25) Ronnie Le Tekro.
24) Angus Young.
23) Michael Sweet.
22) Uli Jon Roth.
21) Vinnie Vincent.
20) Vivian Campbell.
19) Zakk Wylde.
18) Neal Schon.
17) Jason Becker.
16) James Hetfield.
15) Glenn Tipton.
14) Alex Lifeson.
13) Dave Mustaine.
12) Michael Romeo.
11) George Lynch.
10) Warren Demartini.
9) Eddie Van Halen.
8) John Sykes.
7) Jim Matheos.
6) Phil Collen.
5) Steve Vai.
4) Yngwie Malmsteen.
3) Jake E. Lee.
2) John Petrucci.
1) Randy Rhoads.
That's a good friggin' list. A couple that I forgot about (Sykes, for one).
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Not sure there'd be a lot of interest to be able to do a Kansas one, especially 50.
Pete Townshend is a great songwriter, but while his windmill thing is very much an iconic rock "pose," I have never considered a noteworthy guitar player, and The Who are not enough of a favorite for me to have given him any consideration. Even back when I was more of a Who fan in the 90s, I wouldn't have thought to call him a favorite as far as guitarists go.
It's a no brainer question for me when asked who my favorite is. It's not even close tbh. And his technical chops should definitely not be underestimated, the dude can seriously play. He'll never even come close to being the shredder or soloist that some of these other guys are, but the weight his playing brought to some of the greatest rock tunes ever cannot be underestimated, and counter that with how unbelievably sublime he is when he works an acoustic guitar. When I saw his solo show, he did a five song segment of just him and an acoustic, and watching him perform Drowned by himself....just speechless man.
Found a clip of it...
https://youtu.be/cpjwE1_IJUw (https://youtu.be/cpjwE1_IJUw)
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Not sure there'd be a lot of interest to be able to do a Kansas one, especially 50.
Pete Townshend is a great songwriter, but while his windmill thing is very much an iconic rock "pose," I have never considered a noteworthy guitar player, and The Who are not enough of a favorite for me to have given him any consideration. Even back when I was more of a Who fan in the 90s, I wouldn't have thought to call him a favorite as far as guitarists go.
It's a no brainer question for me when asked who my favorite is. It's not even close tbh. And his technical chops should definitely not be underestimated, the dude can seriously play. He'll never even come close to being the shredder or soloist that some of these other guys are, but the weight his playing brought to some of the greatest rock tunes ever cannot be underestimated, and counter that with how unbelievably sublime he is when he works an acoustic guitar. When I saw his solo show, he did a five song segment of just him and an acoustic, and watching him perform Drowned by himself....just speechless man.
I wouldn't have predicted that from you, specifically, but that's a more than defensible pick. I kind of think that - and I'm guessing here, so be kind - your Townsend is my Blackmore. They have a certain je ne sais quoi that may not translate from person to person, but resonates nonetheless. For him (as with Blackmore), I never got the sense that the guitar was an athletic pursuit, a matter of endurance or technical achievement. Maybe they did when they were kids, but I never ever get the sense from Blackmore, Townsend (Page is in here too, as is EVH) that they were ever about running scales over and over and over until the result was a freak of nature or worthy of an Olympic medal (Malmsteen).
Further, both Blackmore and Townsend made choices in their career that were overtly anti-commercial, but rang true with their love of their instrument. I had Pete pretty high, because of his influence, and I see why someone would have them at No. 1 for sure.
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Not sure there'd be a lot of interest to be able to do a Kansas one, especially 50.
Pete Townshend is a great songwriter, but while his windmill thing is very much an iconic rock "pose," I have never considered a noteworthy guitar player, and The Who are not enough of a favorite for me to have given him any consideration. Even back when I was more of a Who fan in the 90s, I wouldn't have thought to call him a favorite as far as guitarists go.
It's a no brainer question for me when asked who my favorite is. It's not even close tbh. And his technical chops should definitely not be underestimated, the dude can seriously play. He'll never even come close to being the shredder or soloist that some of these other guys are, but the weight his playing brought to some of the greatest rock tunes ever cannot be underestimated, and counter that with how unbelievably sublime he is when he works an acoustic guitar. When I saw his solo show, he did a five song segment of just him and an acoustic, and watching him perform Drowned by himself....just speechless man.
I wouldn't have predicted that from you, specifically, but that's a more than defensible pick. I kind of think that - and I'm guessing here, so be kind - your Townsend is my Blackmore. They have a certain je ne sais quoi that may not translate from person to person, but resonates nonetheless. For him (as with Blackmore), I never got the sense that the guitar was an athletic pursuit, a matter of endurance or technical achievement. Maybe they did when they were kids, but I never ever get the sense from Blackmore, Townsend (Page is in here too, as is EVH) that they were ever about running scales over and over and over until the result was a freak of nature or worthy of an Olympic medal (Malmsteen).
Further, both Blackmore and Townsend made choices in their career that were overtly anti-commercial, but rang true with their love of their instrument. I had Pete pretty high, because of his influence, and I see why someone would have them at No. 1 for sure.
I get what you're saying, and I think for every one of us, our #1 goes way beyond just being the best player. I got guys like EVH and Hendrix on the list for how fucking good they were, but my top ten...99% of their spot is earned from my heart. I honestly had zero hesitation on putting those ten guys/gal up there. OF course, I like to think I covered the spectrum of players pretty well...all the way from Jerry Garcia to Greg Burgess, can't really get a broader spectrum than that, right?
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To be clear, I was not denigrating Townshend in any way. :D I get why some would have him ranked high, and anyone who knows me knows that alleged lack of technical skill would not be a deal breaker for me, just like great technical ability does little for me without the songs and the intangibles to solidify the deal (which is why I could make a top 500 and Yngwie Malmsteen wouldn't sniff it).
To change the topic a bit, personally, and this is just me, I think some get too hung up on "this guy can play anything," which is great in a vacuum, but doesn't do a lot for me if their original material and songs aren't worth a damn. I remember Mikael Akerfeldt being asked once about practice or something, and his reply was that he never just sits around playing scales or whatever; he can play his songs and that is all he cares about. I find that approach refreshing. To me, being a great guitarist is a lot more than just the ability to play anything and everything. BB King, for example, didn't play chords, yet is one of the most iconic players ever (despite results of this countdown :P).
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I respect every single list and absolutely love the diversity. There's a reason each of us chose our players and that's personal. I did my list from my head with pen and paper. Its not about who the most technical or least sloppy players, its about who moves YOU. The debates ate fun, clearly. If I ever question a choice it's strictly out of curiosity and nothing more. Music is as personal to me as anything in my life and I'm not ashamed of my preferences nor do I think my preferences are law. I never take anything on here personally, this is a great place to escape real life stresses because I truly believe music is a beautiful thing and all of us here feel the same. I totally appreciate each and every one of you and I thank you for all the great debates, the banter, and support that we have for each other. :heart
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284. John Mitchell
That’s crazy.
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I respect every single list and absolutely love the diversity. There's a reason each of us chose our players and that's personal. I did my list from my head with pen and paper. Its not about who the most technical or least sloppy players, its about who moves YOU. The debates ate fun, clearly. If I ever question a choice it's strictly out of curiosity and nothing more. Music is as personal to me as anything in my life and I'm not ashamed of my preferences nor do I think my preferences are law. I never take anything on here personally, this is a great place to escape real life stresses because I truly believe music is a beautiful thing and all of us here feel the same. I totally appreciate each and every one of you and I thank you for all the great debates, the banter, and support that we have for each other. :heart
Your tastes suck...
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But I love ya :heart
I've been thinking about it a bit today but COVID and becoming a Dad, happening simultaneously, really did a number on me, and my social circle. I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I've found even more comfort than ever there last fews years, talking with you fuckers. Keep it up everyone, I just love coming here to discuss bands that no one in my real life has a clue about.
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Big Shockers for me:
- No Devin Townsend - if anywhere, he'd have a chance here, I thought.
- Jeff Beck - gonna chalk this up as a collected brainfart
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Big Shockers for me:
- No Devin Townsend - if anywhere, he'd have a chance here, I thought.
I had Devin, and he nearly made the list. I dunno, I think it's maybe because he's not a guitarist first and foremost (at least not to me). He's obviously great on guitar but he's not overly flashy with it. Couple that work the fact he's an exceptional singer and incredible songwriter, producer and all round artist, it's easy to forget how good he is on guitar.
That might all be completely irrelevant, but I think he may have missed out because of that?
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- Jeff Beck - gonna chalk this up as a collected brainfart
No brainfart here. Been a long time music fan and have consumed and listened to a ton of music, but I have never heard a single Jeff Beck album in my life.
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- Jeff Beck - gonna chalk this up as a collected brainfart
No brainfart here. Been a long time music fan and have consumed and listened to a ton of music, but I have never heard a single Jeff Beck album in my life.
Same. I checked out a little bit of one of his albums after he passed, and I knew the cover of People Get Ready with Rod Stewart, but he’s just not a guy I’d heard much from prior to his death. Honestly never heard him talked about that much other than he was one of those early, foundational rock guitarists.
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Nice humor in today's reveal of the obvious, Kev. 11/10. 1.21. :lol
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Funny, the Towns(h)ends Devin and Pete ranking 31,32.
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JP landed at #3. Not even scratching the surface here when I say his solos in Erotomania, Voices, Scarred, Peruvian Skies, Lines in the Sand, Anna Lee, Trial of Tears, Home, The Spirit Carries On, Goodnight Kiss, Blind Faith, Stream of Consciousness...ok, I'll stop at Train of Thought. My point was going to be that he's written a shitload of solos that are truly amazing. Great song-writer too. We're lucky to have him.
Eddie Van Halen didn't rank. As far as I know the only things of his that I've heard are Jump, Eruption and his work on Michael Jackson's Billie Jean. At some point I'll get around to Van Halen's discography.
Here's my full list. Guitarists that didn't make the group one have been bolded.
25. The Edge
24. Joe Perry
23. John Mitchell
22. Adam Jones
21. Prince
20. Kirk Hammett
19. Paul Waggoner
18. Jimmy Page
17. Jimi Hendrix
16. Johnny Marr
15. Paul Gilbert
14. Joe Satriani
13. Peter Buck
12. Brian May
11. J.J.Cale
10. James Hetfield
9. Pete Townshend
8. Steve Vai
7. Slash
6. Lindsey Buckingham (for shame, DTF)
5. Alexi Laiho
4. Eric Johnson (for even deeper shame, DTF)
3. John Petrucci
2. David Gilmour
1. Mark Knopfler
10/25, not too shabby in the end.
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Predictable top 2. EVH didn't rank. Never an inspiration for me, but I did gain a lot more from the VH countdown. JPnumber 5 for me. Here is my list;
25. Timo Tolkki
24. Randy Rhoads
23. John Sykes
22. Roland Grapow
21. Glen Drover
20. Chuck Schuldiner
19. Kai Hansen
18. Gus G
17. Alexi Laiho
16. Frank Aresti
15. Tom Englund
14. Jason Becker
13. Steve Vai
12. Dave Murray
11. Andy LaRocque
10. Magnus Karlsson
9. Joe Satriani
8. Tony Macalpine
7. Tony Iommi
6. Yngwie Malmsteen
5. John Petrucci
4. Criss Oliva
3. Adrian Smith
2. Gary Moore
1. Glenn Tipton
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Nice humor in today's reveal of the obvious, Kev. 11/10. 1.21. :lol
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I am shocked it took this long for someone to catch those and point it out. :lol
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Ok so I guess I was right about #2. He did not rank for me, but it has nothing to do with his talent and what he did.
JP is an obvious one. He was #2 for me. I'll write more about that shortly.
01 John Petrucci
Appeared on 34 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (BRGM, Awaken, Mladen, Metropolaris, devieira73, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP)
32 Top 10 Finishes
Wonder who left him out of the top 10 :huh:
Heh, I had him at 11, so only just barely.
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Not sure there'd be a lot of interest to be able to do a Kansas one, especially 50.
I have no doubt (hence the green font).
It's a no brainer question for me when asked who my favorite is. It's not even close tbh. And his technical chops should definitely not be underestimated, the dude can seriously play. He'll never even come close to being the shredder or soloist that some of these other guys are, but the weight his playing brought to some of the greatest rock tunes ever cannot be underestimated, and counter that with how unbelievably sublime he is when he works an acoustic guitar. When I saw his solo show, he did a five song segment of just him and an acoustic, and watching him perform Drowned by himself....just speechless man.
This is me as well (similar to what Stads wrote about Blackmore). For me, composition held a lot of weight. Townshend gets high marks in that regard. I didn't include him because I'm just not enough of a Who fan, but it's a totally solid pick (25 years ago, he'd have had a chance with me).
- Jeff Beck - gonna chalk this up as a collected brainfart
No brainfart here. Been a long time music fan and have consumed and listened to a ton of music, but I have never heard a single Jeff Beck album in my life.
Same. I can't say I've listened to much that either Beck or Clapton has done (and I'm not sure I could name another Beck song besides Bolero), but to me (and I know this'll make some of you cry foul), they're basically the same person, except that Clapton had some stuff that resonated with the masses (Layla, the song about his kid dying, etc.). They were both guys who, when I started listening to popular/rock music, I was told were a couple of the all-time greats, but I never heard anything to bear that out.
Nice humor in today's reveal of the obvious, Kev. 11/10. 1.21. :lol
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I am shocked it took this long for someone to catch those and point it out. :lol
I noticed the 11 for Tufnel and knew what it was. I noticed the decimal for McFly, but I didn't pay enough attention to the particular number. Very nice indeed.
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02 Eddie Van Halen
Appeared on 23 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Dublagent66, Fonzie)
16 Top 10 Finishes
01 John Petrucci
Appeared on 34 of 34 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (BRGM, Awaken, Mladen, Metropolaris, devieira73, Dream Team, DTwwbwMP)
32 Top 10 Finishes
Eddie Van Halen - finished at number 3 for me. Amazing leads and an amazing rhythm player.
JP - number 2 on my list. Just an incredibly creative and technically flawless guitar player.
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My List: (Bold didn't make it)
1 Randy Rhoads
2 John Petrucci
3 Eddie Van Halen
4 James Hetfield
5 Adrian Smith
6 Dave Murray
7 Chris DeGarmo
8 Adam Jones
9 George Lynch
10 Slash
11 Dave Mustaine
12 Toni Iommi
13 Zakk Wylde
14 Yngwie Malmsteen
15 Nuno Bettencourt
16 Mark Knopfler
17 Jimi Hendrix
18 Dimebag Darrell
19 Kirk Hammett
20 Marty Friedman
21 Jimmy Page
22 Eric Clapton
23 Steve Vai
24 Alex Lifeson
25 Paul Waggoner
A couple of comments:
George Lynch - I know he doesn't get much, if any love here and I don't think I have really encountered any Dokken fans but the first 4 Dokken albums, especially Under Lock and Key and Back for the Attack were hugely influential to me. Lynch just has some amazing solos on those albums and I do remember him being on countless Guitar mag covers in the 80s. Just love his style.
Yngwie Malmsteen - really happy to see him only just miss out on top 25 and also finish above Romeo (who apparently everyone here loves?) in the countdown. Give me Yngwie any day over Romeo. A hugely influential guitar player who just blew me away when he came onto the scene.
Kirk Hammett - hasn't written/played a great solo since The Unforgiven on the Black Album but he still has some amazing stuff from the 80s.
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I like Dokken for what they are, and Lynch is definitely a great guitarist. He was on my longer list for consideration. For me their best work was on the Dysfunctional album, which is a hidden 90s gem.
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- Jeff Beck - gonna chalk this up as a collected brainfart
No brainfart here. Been a long time music fan and have consumed and listened to a ton of music, but I have never heard a single Jeff Beck album in my life.
Same. I checked out a little bit of one of his albums after he passed, and I knew the cover of People Get Ready with Rod Stewart, but he’s just not a guy I’d heard much from prior to his death. Honestly never heard him talked about that much other than he was one of those early, foundational rock guitarists.
I've always respected Jeff Beck but his style never really clicked with me and I found his tone grating at times.
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It’s fun reading other people’s comments on their favourites. Thanks, everyone!
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25 Joe Satriani
24 Steve Vai
23 Michael Sweet
22 Chris Degarmo
21 Vivian Campbell
20 Gary Holt
19 Roger Fisher
18 Ritchie Blackmore
17 George Lynch
16 Kirk Hammett
15 Eddie Van Halen
14 Matthias Jabs
13 Uli Jon Roth
12 Dave Murray
11 KK Downing
10 Dave Mustaine
9 Michael Schenker
8 Tony Iommi
7 Wolf Hoffman
6 Adrian Smith
5 Akira Takasaki
4 Glenn Tipton
3 Michael Romeo
2 James Hetfield
1 John Petrucci
Who else besides me had Akira Takasaki or was I the only one? He had 40 points. I guess I was the only voter for Roger Fisher.
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I like Dokken for what they are, and Lynch is definitely a great guitarist. He was on my longer list for consideration. For me their best work was on the Dysfunctional album, which is a hidden 90s gem.
I haven't revisited that album for a very long time but remember not liking it that much. I'll have to give it a relisten.
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25 Joe Satriani
24 Steve Vai
23 Michael Sweet
22 Chris Degarmo
21 Vivian Campbell
20 Gary Holt
19 Roger Fisher
18 Ritchie Blackmore
17 George Lynch
16 Kirk Hammett
15 Eddie Van Halen
14 Matthias Jabs
13 Uli Jon Roth
12 Dave Murray
11 KK Downing
10 Dave Mustaine
9 Michael Schenker
8 Tony Iommi
7 Wolf Hoffman
6 Adrian Smith
5 Akira Takasaki
4 Glenn Tipton
3 Michael Romeo
2 James Hetfield
1 John Petrucci
Who else besides me had Akira Takasaki or was I the only one? He had 40 points. I guess I was the only voter for Roger Fisher.
I love seeing Wolf Hoffman and Michael Schenker up there.
I didn't rate Akira Takasaki as I'm not a huge Loudness guy, but Live Loud Alive is still one of the all time best live albums I've ever heard.
I'm afraid I don't know who Roger Fisher is.
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25 Stevie Ray Vaughan
24 Steve Lukather
23 Marty Friedman
22 James Hetfield
21 Bill Kelliher
20 Eddie Van Halen
19 Buddy Guy
18 Steve Howe
17 Glenn Tipton
16 Mark Knopfler
15 Ritchie Blackmore
14 Steve Vai
13 Joe Satriani
12 Alex Lifeson
11 Billy Gibbons
10 Tony Iommi
9 Jimi Hendrix
8 Joe Bonamassa
7 Frank Zappa
6 Jimmy Page
5 John Petrucci
4 Guthrie Goven
3 Michael Schenker
2 Eric Johnson
1 Derek Trucks
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25 Stevie Ray Vaughan
24 Steve Lukather
23 Marty Friedman
22 James Hetfield
21 Bill Kelliher
20 Eddie Van Halen
19 Buddy Guy
18 Steve Howe
17 Glenn Tipton
16 Mark Knopfler
15 Ritchie Blackmore
14 Steve Vai
13 Joe Satriani
12 Alex Lifeson
11 Billy Gibbons
10 Tony Iommi
9 Jimi Hendrix
8 Joe Bonamassa
7 Frank Zappa
6 Jimmy Page
5 John Petrucci
4 Guthrie Goven
3 Michael Schenker
2 Eric Johnson
1 Derek Trucks
Great call on Bill Kelliher Gregg. What a riff monster.
Nice to see some love for Eric Johnson too.
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Fisher is Heart.
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TAC: all the cool guitar parts on Barracuda, Magic Man, Crazy on You, etc are Roger Fisher.
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Cool. Who's Bill Kelliher now?
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Guitarist from Mastodon.
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25 Joe Satriani
24 Steve Vai
23 Michael Sweet
22 Chris Degarmo
21 Vivian Campbell
20 Gary Holt
19 Roger Fisher
18 Ritchie Blackmore
17 George Lynch
16 Kirk Hammett
15 Eddie Van Halen
14 Matthias Jabs
13 Uli Jon Roth
12 Dave Murray
11 KK Downing
10 Dave Mustaine
9 Michael Schenker
8 Tony Iommi
7 Wolf Hoffman
6 Adrian Smith
5 Akira Takasaki
4 Glenn Tipton
3 Michael Romeo
2 James Hetfield
1 John Petrucci
Who else besides me had Akira Takasaki or was I the only one? He had 40 points. I guess I was the only voter for Roger Fisher.
Nice list! I should've had Akira. There's a few I missed and he's one. Nice on Romeo at 3!
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Cool. Who's Bill Kelliher now?
I wouldn't worry about it.
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Man, Steve Rothery got done dirty in this countdown. He would have been top 5 for me.
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Man, Steve Rothery got done dirty in this countdown. He would have been top 5 for me.
He would have been on the list if you had submitted one! (It’s all good, just playing).
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Man, Steve Rothery got done dirty in this countdown. He would have been top 5 for me.
He would have been on the list if you had submitted one! (It’s all good, just playing).
I wish I had. I started compiling one, then life got in the way. Oh well. If there's a drummer list, there's no way I'm missing that one.
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:metal Virtual high five to Fonzie for listing Vernon Reid
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Man, Steve Rothery got done dirty in this countdown. He would have been top 5 for me.
The solo on Easter is certainly in my top 5.
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Home and posting my final list:
25. Joe Satriani
24. Don Ross
23. Mikael Akerfeldt - Huge fan of his writing style
22. Mark Tremonti - Loved him since Creed, always loved his riffs, tone isn't the best IMO
21. Nathaniel Murphy - Simply unreal guitar player on instagram. Realeased a single solo album that is also incredible, his cover of "Come As You Are" is amazing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlKh1TTxTLU
20. Erik Mongrain - Really abstract acoustic guitar player, if you've heard of Don Ross then it's as if Don Ross took a load of mushrooms before picking up the guitar
19. Eddie Van Halen
18. Jerry Cantrell
17. Steve Vai
16. Nick Lee - One of my favorite guitar players, plays for Moon Tooth and has some of the most unique metal riffs around.
15. Darrell Lance Abbott
14. Tosin Abasi - Guitar player for Animals As Leaders, djent doesn't get better than Tosin
13. Jakub Zytecki - Another really unique guitar player that perfectly blends elements of EDM with some technical playing layered on top
12. Alex Lifeson
11. James Hetfield
10. Ola Englund
9. Adam Jones - Not the most technically proficient guitar player but a huge impact on me when I was first getting into guitar
8. Mark Knopfler
7. Kaki King
6. Michael Kelsey - Probably one of the most technically gifted players on my list, just effortless playing
5. Mark Engles - Dredg's guitar player and amazing at building lush soundscapes with the guitar. His stuff is also deceptively difficult to play
4. David Gilmour
3. John Petrucci
2. Mike Einzinger - Guitar player for Incubus. His ability to craft beautiful guitar tones unparrel and his riffs are simple yet beautiful. He can also really fucking play although he rarely shows it off. The first couple Incubus records has some really tasty soloing.
1. Guthrie Govan
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I seriously considered Tosin and Aaron Marshal from Intervals, both those guys are ridiculously good.
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My list...
25) Ronnie Le Tekro.
24) Angus Young.
23) Michael Sweet.
22) Uli Jon Roth.
21) Vinnie Vincent.
20) Vivian Campbell.
19) Zakk Wylde.
18) Neal Schon.
17) Jason Becker.
16) James Hetfield.
15) Glenn Tipton.
14) Alex Lifeson.
13) Dave Mustaine.
12) Michael Romeo.
11) George Lynch.
10) Warren Demartini.
9) Eddie Van Halen.
8) John Sykes.
7) Jim Matheos.
6) Phil Collen.
5) Steve Vai.
4) Yngwie Malmsteen.
3) Jake E. Lee.
2) John Petrucci.
1) Randy Rhoads.
My list would've been very different to anything I've seen listed but if there's one where the general "vibe" is closest to my taste then this one gets it.
Nice work ranking Jake so high .........doesn't get enough props for his work with Ozzy especially.
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I seriously considered Tosin and Aaron Marshal from Intervals, both those guys are ridiculously good.
Javier Reyes is also really good, I love the stuff he does with Mestis and I love his 8-string classic stuff, I wish there was more of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-JfPkV74mc
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I seriously considered Tosin and Aaron Marshal from Intervals, both those guys are ridiculously good.
Javier Reyes is also really good, I love the stuff he does with Mestis and I love his 8-string classic stuff, I wish there was more of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-JfPkV74mc
Damn impressive...brings to mind the 'other side' of Greg Burgess from Allegaeon. He presents this brutal death metal stuff which is technically mind blowing, but underneath it is this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwQPC-a4xk0&ab_channel=GacharicSpin%E3%80%90%E3%82%AC%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A8TV%E3%80%91 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwQPC-a4xk0&ab_channel=GacharicSpin%E3%80%90%E3%82%AC%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A8TV%E3%80%91)
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It's a no brainer question for me when asked who my favorite is. It's not even close tbh. And his technical chops should definitely not be underestimated, the dude can seriously play. He'll never even come close to being the shredder or soloist that some of these other guys are, but the weight his playing brought to some of the greatest rock tunes ever cannot be underestimated, and counter that with how unbelievably sublime he is when he works an acoustic guitar. When I saw his solo show, he did a five song segment of just him and an acoustic, and watching him perform Drowned by himself....just speechless man.
Found a clip of it...
https://youtu.be/cpjwE1_IJUw (https://youtu.be/cpjwE1_IJUw)
Big Who fan here, and love me some Quadrophenia. Thanks for posting that video.
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It's a no brainer question for me when asked who my favorite is. It's not even close tbh. And his technical chops should definitely not be underestimated, the dude can seriously play. He'll never even come close to being the shredder or soloist that some of these other guys are, but the weight his playing brought to some of the greatest rock tunes ever cannot be underestimated, and counter that with how unbelievably sublime he is when he works an acoustic guitar. When I saw his solo show, he did a five song segment of just him and an acoustic, and watching him perform Drowned by himself....just speechless man.
Found a clip of it...
https://youtu.be/cpjwE1_IJUw (https://youtu.be/cpjwE1_IJUw)
Big Who fan here, and love me some Quadrophenia. Thanks for posting that video.
My pleasure, he has so many hidden gems like this.
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No need to say much about Petrucci. my n. 6. He was a lock to be n. 1 by comfortable margin as DT is the only band here we all like. I didn't expect this level of unanimous admiration thought. But it is well deserved.
Didn't rank EVH. Van Halen were never that big here in Central Europe, I just don't really know their stuff.
My complete list. I started off as a classical guitarist and played acoustic most of my life. The list reflect that.
25) Karel Plihal No way. Chances of anyone else here even knowing who this guy is are slimmer than Justin Bieber making the Top 25. He might be the candidate to the world¨s worst singer too. But to me, he is an epitome of how to use guitar when it's the only instrument used to accompany yourself while singing.
24) Ian Anderson No way. Almost everyone here knows this guy for his great flute playing and once great but now horrible singing. Ranking his as a guitarist might make some of you question my sanity....
23) Ritchie Blackmore
22) Chris DeGarmo
21) Kazuhito Yamashita Classical guitar monster and maverick. Transribed stuff like Pictures at Exhibition, New World Symphony or Firebird suite for solo guitar and made it sound good. Really pushed technical boundaries too.
20) Django Reinhardt No way. Played stuff with 2 fingers that most players can't play with 4.
19) Brian May
18) Criss Oliva Died young but doesn!t seem to get "died too young bump".
17) Adrian Smith Why the hell did I rank Smith behind Murray?
16) Dave Murray
15) Stochelo Rosenberg. His acoustic guitar picking technique is just insane. He showed me how big and fat sound you can make when soloing on acoustic guitar and I owe him the discovery of massive 3.5 mm Wegen picks, which I have sworn by ever since.
14) Mark Tremonti I thought he had a chance to make it but at this point, no way. Really admire him for his versatility and pushing his own limits (Sings Sinatra album)
13) Eric Clapton No way. He is not even good, just overated. Plays with 4 fingers but his stuff could be easily played with 2. That being said, his MTV Unplugged was important for my transition from purely sheet-music based classical guitar stuff to pop/rock/blues.
12) Mark Knopfler
11) John McLaughlin. Another jazz fusion legend.
10) Mikael Akerfledt No way. I'll just dare to guess I am not the only one to rank him. Death metal David Gimlmour.
9) Radim Hladik No way. See 25. Had this guy been born on the other side of the iron curtain, he might have been up there with the most revered prog guitarists of all time. The best of Gilmour and Howe mixed in one player.
8) Steve Hackett No way. A prog underdog.
7) David Gimour. I would say a lock, but with the way this countdown is going, I mean metal kicking prog's old-fashioned and pompous ass, I am not sure.
6) John Petrucci Yes. The only certainty of this countdown is this player making Top 1.
5) Stephan Rak A classical guitar maverick, really pushed the boundaries of possible in what is a really conservative and play it safe corner of classical music.
4) Paco De Lucia A flamenco monster
3) Steve Howe
2) Vicente Amigo A soulful flamenco player with tremendous clarity of tone.
1) Al Di Meola Acoustic/jazz/fusion monster
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Good to see Criss Oliva in there Animal.
You will be up there in my Top 25 drummers list
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No need to say much about Petrucci. my n. 6. He was a lock to be n. 1 by comfortable margin as DT is the only band here we all like. I didn't expect this level of unanimous admiration thought. But it is well deserved.
Didn't rank EVH. Van Halen were never that big here in Central Europe, I just don't really know their stuff.
My complete list. I started off as a classical guitarist and played acoustic most of my life. The list reflect that.
25) Karel Plihal No way. Chances of anyone else here even knowing who this guy is are slimmer than Justin Bieber making the Top 25. He might be the candidate to the world¨s worst singer too. But to me, he is an epitome of how to use guitar when it's the only instrument used to accompany yourself while singing.
24) Ian Anderson No way. Almost everyone here knows this guy for his great flute playing and once great but now horrible singing. Ranking his as a guitarist might make some of you question my sanity....
23) Ritchie Blackmore
22) Chris DeGarmo
21) Kazuhito Yamashita Classical guitar monster and maverick. Transribed stuff like Pictures at Exhibition, New World Symphony or Firebird suite for solo guitar and made it sound good. Really pushed technical boundaries too.
20) Django Reinhardt No way. Played stuff with 2 fingers that most players can't play with 4.
19) Brian May
18) Criss Oliva Died young but doesn!t seem to get "died too young bump".
17) Adrian Smith Why the hell did I rank Smith behind Murray?
16) Dave Murray
15) Stochelo Rosenberg. His acoustic guitar picking technique is just insane. He showed me how big and fat sound you can make when soloing on acoustic guitar and I owe him the discovery of massive 3.5 mm Wegen picks, which I have sworn by ever since.
14) Mark Tremonti I thought he had a chance to make it but at this point, no way. Really admire him for his versatility and pushing his own limits (Sings Sinatra album)
13) Eric Clapton No way. He is not even good, just overated. Plays with 4 fingers but his stuff could be easily played with 2. That being said, his MTV Unplugged was important for my transition from purely sheet-music based classical guitar stuff to pop/rock/blues.
12) Mark Knopfler
11) John McLaughlin. Another jazz fusion legend.
10) Mikael Akerfledt No way. I'll just dare to guess I am not the only one to rank him. Death metal David Gimlmour.
9) Radim Hladik No way. See 25. Had this guy been born on the other side of the iron curtain, he might have been up there with the most revered prog guitarists of all time. The best of Gilmour and Howe mixed in one player.
8) Steve Hackett No way. A prog underdog.
7) David Gimour. I would say a lock, but with the way this countdown is going, I mean metal kicking prog's old-fashioned and pompous ass, I am not sure.
6) John Petrucci Yes. The only certainty of this countdown is this player making Top 1.
5) Stephan Rak A classical guitar maverick, really pushed the boundaries of possible in what is a really conservative and play it safe corner of classical music.
4) Paco De Lucia A flamenco monster
3) Steve Howe
2) Vicente Amigo A soulful flamenco player with tremendous clarity of tone.
1) Al Di Meola Acoustic/jazz/fusion monster
This is an absolute gem! Nice for including these monsters.
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My full list:
25. Criss Oliva Definitely a bit of a "died too young bump" but I really enjoy what he did with Savatage.
24. Eric Gillette I think I saw this guy with Shattered Fortress and he was really good. He's also great in The Neal Morse Band.
23. Paul Gilbert I included Satch and then thought hey, who was that guy he played with on G3? He was really good.
22. Joe Satriani
21. B.B. King I don't know much about that style of music, but I saw a few live recordings of him playing and thought I should put him on this list.
20. Roine Stolt I was sure he'll make this list. Huh.
19. Devin Townsend While many don't think about him as a guitarist, the dude is pretty wild. Also saw him live. Very impressive.
18. Piotr Grudziński Biggest "died too young bump" on my list.
17. Jani Liimatainen I grew up with Sonata Arctica and always thought this guy was very good.
16. Henjo Richter Big fan of his Gamma Ray and Avantasia contributions.
15. Axel Rudi Pell This guy continues to release the same album over and over, but I really loved the Knights Live DVD when I was like, 15 years old.
14. Steve Rothery How the hell he didn't make the list is a total mystery to me. Also listen to The Wishing Tree - Ostara, he's on that record too.
13. Michael Weikath Love his Helloween contributions and thought he had a good chance of making the list too.
12. Yngwie Malmsteen He's a bit of a joke now but his first three albums are classic.
11. Jimmy Page
10. Francisco Tárrega A nod to classical guitar here, I love his compositions (even if I can't really play most of them).
9. Jim Matheos
8. Tommy Emmanuel He's not a rock/metal guy so really no chance here, but since I picked up acoustic guitar two years ago, I'm endlessly fascinated by what this man does.
7. Tony Iommi
6. Kai Hansen Everything metal Kai touches, it turns to gold.
5. Guthrie Govan
4. John Petrucci
3. Ritchie Blackmore
2. Mark Knopfler
1. David Gilmour
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Some cool choices there, Ruslan!
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Nice list Ruslan. Looking back, Henson probably should have made mine. Tasty lead player.
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@Glasser - thanks, I knew I saw a kindred spirit when I saw your list.
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Stolt was another I overlooked.
Also not sure how I omitted Per Nilsson, he's a fucking monstrous player. Did anyone vote for him?
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Also not sure how I omitted Per Nilsson, he's a fucking monstrous player. Did anyone vote for him?
LithoJazzoSphere must've!
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Also not sure how I omitted Per Nilsson, he's a fucking monstrous player. Did anyone vote for him?
LithoJazzoSphere must've!
Who does Per Nilsson play with?
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Also not sure how I omitted Per Nilsson, he's a fucking monstrous player. Did anyone vote for him?
LithoJazzoSphere must've!
Yes, he had Nilsson at number 3 (the only person to have him on their list).
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Also not sure how I omitted Per Nilsson, he's a fucking monstrous player. Did anyone vote for him?
LithoJazzoSphere must've!
Who does Per Nilsson play with?
His penultimate instrument
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Also not sure how I omitted Per Nilsson, he's a fucking monstrous player. Did anyone vote for him?
LithoJazzoSphere must've!
Who does Per Nilsson play with?
His penultimate instrument
OK twosuitsglasser
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I seriously considered Tosin and Aaron Marshal from Intervals, both those guys are ridiculously good.
Javier Reyes is also really good, I love the stuff he does with Mestis and I love his 8-string classic stuff, I wish there was more of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-JfPkV74mc
Damn impressive...brings to mind the 'other side' of Greg Burgess from Allegaeon. He presents this brutal death metal stuff which is technically mind blowing, but underneath it is this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwQPC-a4xk0&ab_channel=GacharicSpin%E3%80%90%E3%82%AC%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A8TV%E3%80%91 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwQPC-a4xk0&ab_channel=GacharicSpin%E3%80%90%E3%82%AC%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A8TV%E3%80%91)
I wasn't sure if you meant to link Gacharic Spin (I just woke up) but gawd damn that's some playing...
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I seriously considered Tosin and Aaron Marshal from Intervals, both those guys are ridiculously good.
Javier Reyes is also really good, I love the stuff he does with Mestis and I love his 8-string classic stuff, I wish there was more of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-JfPkV74mc
Damn impressive...brings to mind the 'other side' of Greg Burgess from Allegaeon. He presents this brutal death metal stuff which is technically mind blowing, but underneath it is this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwQPC-a4xk0&ab_channel=GacharicSpin%E3%80%90%E3%82%AC%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A8TV%E3%80%91 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwQPC-a4xk0&ab_channel=GacharicSpin%E3%80%90%E3%82%AC%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A8TV%E3%80%91)
I wasn't sure if you meant to link Gacharic Spin (I just woke up) but gawd damn that's some playing...
Lol nope, that was an accident, their new song that I had just shared to Facebook, guess I fucked up lol. You can see why I had Tomo Zo on my list though... (and bassist Koga would be an easy top 10 for me, she's unbelievable)...Gacharic Spin is just an insane fucking band.
Here's the Greg Burgess link..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hucg-Ru-Zgk&ab_channel=ALLEGAEON (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hucg-Ru-Zgk&ab_channel=ALLEGAEON)
@tim... Nilsson plays for Scar Symmetry and for Kaipa, two bands of very different styles, and he fucking kills it with both of them.
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Rik Emmett is a guy that would have made my list up until recently, but I gave a few Triumph albums somewhat recent listens and was surprised by how well they didn't age. I still love some of their songs, but I just don't listen to them much anymore outside of a few songs I will reach for on their own, and like Eric Johnson, I cannot justify putting someone on there I almost never listen to anymore.
I saw him on his last acoustic tour a few years ago, and that pretty much cemented him in my all time top 5. Amazing guitarists, frontman, showman, and songwriter. Truly the total package.
Agreed. But even with Joe/I throwing him 20 points each, he still wouldn't have cracked the Top 25.
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@tim... Nilsson plays for Scar Symmetry and for Kaipa, two bands of very different styles, and he fucking kills it with both of them.
Also, as Litho has informed me, he's performed a shit ton of guest spots for so many good bands/artists! He is really good.
Here's a good playlist of guest solos...
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1OASLvJC8zk9YIjtatNst9?si=Bch2ejsTTU-IqXOe0HqwAg (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1OASLvJC8zk9YIjtatNst9?si=Bch2ejsTTU-IqXOe0HqwAg)
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@tim... Nilsson plays for Scar Symmetry and for Kaipa, two bands of very different styles, and he fucking kills it with both of them.
Thank you.
Between streaming and buying digital albums instead of CD, I have no idea of the names of the people who I'm listening to.
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@tim... Nilsson plays for Scar Symmetry and for Kaipa, two bands of very different styles, and he fucking kills it with both of them.
Thank you.
Between streaming and buying digital albums instead of CD, I have no idea of the names of the people who I'm listening to.
I know what you mean. Plus with discovering a new band every other week... And the memory getting worse every other week. The struggle is real.
Rik Emmett is a guy that would have made my list up until recently, but I gave a few Triumph albums somewhat recent listens and was surprised by how well they didn't age. I still love some of their songs, but I just don't listen to them much anymore outside of a few songs I will reach for on their own, and like Eric Johnson, I cannot justify putting someone on there I almost never listen to anymore.
I saw him on his last acoustic tour a few years ago, and that pretty much cemented him in my all time top 5. Amazing guitarists, frontman, showman, and songwriter. Truly the total package.
Agreed. But even with Joe/I throwing him 20 points each, he still wouldn't have cracked the Top 25.
I still blame you guys.
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Here's my list.
25: Matt Scannell (Vertical Horizon) - only on my list
24: Al DiMeola (Return To Forever) - #33
23: Derek Trucks - #89
22: Carlos Santana - only on my list
21: Mark Tremonti (Alter Bridge) - #28
20: Slash (Guns 'n' Roses) - #17
19: Aaron Marshall (Intervals) - #129
18: John McLaughlin (Mahavishnu Orchestra) - #51
17: Tom MacLean (To-Mera) - only on my list
16: Tony MacAlpine (Planet X) - #63
15: Dann Huff (Giant) - only on my list
14: Chris Poland (Megadeth) - only on my list
13: Marty Friedman (Megadeth) - #50
12: Ty Tabor (King's X) - #70
11: Santiago Dobles (Aghora) - only on my list
10: Eddie Van Halen - #2
9: David Maxim Micic (Destiny Potato) - only on my list
8: Plini - #46
7: Eric Johnson - #30
6: Phil Keaggy - only on my list
5: Paul Gilbert (Racer X) - #29
4: John Petrucci (Dream Theater) - #1
3: Per Nilsson (Scar Symmetry) - only on my list
2: Jeff Loomis (Nevermore) - #75
1: Mikael Akerfeldt (Opeth) - #35
Honorable Mentions - Allan Holdsworth, Alex Lifeson (Rush), Alex Skolnick (Testament), Anders Nyström (Katatonia), Andrew Latimer (Camel), Andy Summers (The Police), Andy Timmons (Danger Danger), Bob Hartman (Petra), Brian May (Queen), Brian Wooten (Whiteheart), Christopher Amott (Arch Enemy), Dag Swanö (Nightingale), David Gilmour (Pink Floyd), Don Ross, Edo van der Kolk (Kingfisher Sky), Emil Werstler (Chimaira), Emily Remler, Fredrik Åkesson (Opeth), Fredrik Johansson (All Ends), Gary Moore (Thin Lizzy), George Lynch (Dokken), Gordon Kennedy (Whiteheart), Gus G. (Firewind), Guthrie Govan (Steven Wilson), Jakub Zytecki (Disperse), Jerry Cantrell (Alice In Chains), Jimi Hendrix, Joe Bonamassa (Black Country Communion), John Mayer, Joe Satriani, Larry Coryell, Lincoln Brewster, Marcel Singor (Kayak), Marios Iliopoulos (Nightrage), Marius Silver Bergesen (Triosphere), Matthias Jabs (Scorpions), Michael Hedges, Mike Dawes, Mike Engles (dredg), Neal Schon (Journey), Nili Brosh, Olof Mörck (Amaranthe), Paco de Lucia, Sithu Aye, Steve Lukather (Toto), Steve Stevens (Billy Idol), Steve Vai, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Tommy Emmanuel, Tony Palacios (Guardian), Tony Rey Bruno (Saraya), Warren Haynes (Allman Brothers), Wes Montgomery, Will McFarlane (Bonnie Raitt), Yngwie Malmsteen
Fascinating, only 3/25 of the list. But seven more in the next 25, so 10/50. Another 5 in the top 100, so 15/100.
So 9/25 were only on my list, with no other votes at all. I was really surprised to see Per Nilsson, Chris Poland, and Carlos Santana only be on mine, I'd have thought surely at least someone else would have them higher. I'm less surprised about Phil Keaggy, David Maxim Micic, Santiago Dobles, Dann Huff, Tom MacLean, and Matt Scannell, but still a bit disappointed.
A few quick thoughts on my top 10.
Mikael Akerfeldt - getting into Opeth really changed me as a guitarist. Before then I was a very rudimentary player, knowing mostly cowboy chords, power chords, and pentatonic leads, maybe a bit of octaves and major/minor scales. Learning Opeth songs made me learn fingerpicking and how to incorporate unusual chords and notes, which really opened up my world of playing. Very few are just as comfortable with death metal riffing as with folky acoustic guitar passages as with Gilmourian melodic solos, but he's one of them.
Jeff Loomis - probably the closest to a pure shredder on my list (maybe other than early Gilbert), but he just has a way to make it all sound so good, with god-like tone, along with some of the most crushing riffs and brilliant songwriting.
Per Nilsson - extraordinarily versatile, how many guys can handle both the pummeling rhythms subbing live for Thordendal in Meshuggah, pull off the light neo-prog in Kaipa with aplomb, and also excel as melodeath and power metal players? He's to me the best at taking the Holdsworthian legato fluidity and making it more melodic, with some of the most immaculate phrasing I've heard in his soloing.
John Petrucci - do I need to say anything more about him?
Paul Gilbert - he came pretty close to making the collective top 25, but even then I still suspect people don't recognize just how much range he has. The amount of different styles he touches on across his solo albums, especially the early ones, is quite impressive for a guy that started off his career being known as the neoclassical shredder with the electric drill.
Phil Keaggy - some historian one day is gonna review the recorded history of the guitar and wonder how he got so little attention. His earliest electric work with Glass Harp is up there with any other guitar god of the late 60s, and he continued to expand his playing over the years, incorporating Holdsworth-esque fluidity and Michael Hedges-like acoustic guitar wizardy, and his concerts with just himself, an acoustic guitar, and a looping unit are awe-inspiring.
Eric Johnson - his lead playing rightly gets a lot of attention, but for me his chord voicings are the most sublime, I've stolen many of them over the years for my own playing (some I just do not have the gumby fingers to play correctly), and his harp harmonics and clean tone are equally wonderous.
Plini - I was really into the G3 scene in the late 90s/early 00s when I was a teenager, but I burned out on guitar-driven instrumental rock/metal for a long time. It was Plini who brought me back to it more than anyone else. He just has the perfect balance of melodicism and technicality that so very few have.
David Maxim Micic - easily for me the most interesting player to emerge out of the djent scene, if you don't count Plini, who also dabbled with it, though less so. The scope of his solo work alone is pretty staggering, and he's also incredible in a band or guest solo context.
Eddie Van Halen - I probably don't need to say much more about him either give his placement on the list, but as many stories as I've heard of people a bit older being floored by "Eruption", for me it was hearing "Respect the Wind" over the credits of Twister in the theaters that was probably my biggest inspiration for learning guitar.
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@tim... Nilsson plays for Scar Symmetry and for Kaipa, two bands of very different styles, and he fucking kills it with both of them.
Also Nocturnal Rites since their last album, Zierler, live with Meshuggah for a time, an older project Paradigm Shift, a few other obscure bands, and all the guest spots like on that Spotify playlist.
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@tim... Nilsson plays for Scar Symmetry and for Kaipa, two bands of very different styles, and he fucking kills it with both of them.
Also Nocturnal Rites since their last album, Zierler, live with Meshuggah for a time, an older project Paradigm Shift, a few other obscure bands, and all the guest spots like on that Spotify playlist.
I simply don't have enough empty files in my brain to keep up with any of this. Seems the industry is geared a lot more toward projects and collaborations than it ever has been.
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@tim... Nilsson plays for Scar Symmetry and for Kaipa, two bands of very different styles, and he fucking kills it with both of them.
Also Nocturnal Rites since their last album, Zierler, live with Meshuggah for a time, an older project Paradigm Shift, a few other obscure bands, and all the guest spots like on that Spotify playlist.
Props for having Aaron Marshall up there, he's amazing, and such a genuinely nice dude. Seen them three times now, solo (with Jason Richardson opening), opening for TYS, and just two weeks ago with Spiritbox. He's just so damn gracious and humble. It was funny, after the first song of his set a few weeks ago, he asked that we pardon his voice since he's been under the weather, and after a pause adds "but I guess that really doesn't fucking matter since we're a instrumental band, does it?" :lol
Tim, here's a good sample of his work.. https://youtu.be/vy0RsURb4Cw (https://youtu.be/vy0RsURb4Cw)
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This is my favorite Intervals tune. I need to finish learning it, 2:54 in particular is a lot of fun to play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ipv_l7KoSI
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Here's my list.
15: Dann Huff (Giant) - only on my list
11: Santiago Dobles (Aghora) - only on my list
Lots of great picks, Litho...a shot out to Dann Huff too...I'm not super-familiar with everything he's done, but his playing on Last of the Runaways and Time to Burn is sublime.
As for Santiago Dobles, I only have the first Aghora album. I know that was his "creature", but I actually remember being drawn to it mostly because of the insane drum/bass combo of Sean Reinert and Sean Malone. The guitar playing was obviously good, but I remember it being a bit cold. Anything else I should explore?
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This is my favorite Intervals tune. I need to finish learning it, 2:54 in particular is a lot of fun to play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ipv_l7KoSI
I don't know their individual tunes well, I just buy tickets when I see them on a bill. :biggrin:
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Here's my list.
15: Dann Huff (Giant) - only on my list
11: Santiago Dobles (Aghora) - only on my list
Lots of great picks, Litho...a shot out to Dann Huff too...I'm not super-familiar with everything he's done, but his playing on Last of the Runaways and Time to Burn is sublime.
As for Santiago Dobles, I only have the first Aghora album. I know that was his "creature", but I actually remember being drawn to it mostly because of the insane drum/bass combo of Sean Reinert and Sean Malone. The guitar playing was obviously good, but I remember it being a bit cold. Anything else I should explore?
I had Huff on my longer list just for those two Giant albums. I know he's done a ton of other stuff too, but that's all I really know from him. He's really good though.
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Lots of great picks, Litho...a shot out to Dann Huff too...I'm not super-familiar with everything he's done, but his playing on Last of the Runaways and Time to Burn is sublime.
I had Huff on my longer list just for those two Giant albums. I know he's done a ton of other stuff too, but that's all I really know from him. He's really good though.
Probably my favorite performance of his is this Jeff Beck cover.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn_aeg04YyQ
His session work with Amy Grant in particular was quite formative for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ervNxZ8UIU
As for Santiago Dobles, I only have the first Aghora album. I know that was his "creature", but I actually remember being drawn to it mostly because of the insane drum/bass combo of Sean Reinert and Sean Malone. The guitar playing was obviously good, but I remember it being a bit cold. Anything else I should explore?
Hmm, hard to say. There's the next two Aghora albums, Formless and Entheogenic Frequencies, which you might prefer depending upon your taste. I can definitely see how he comes across a bit clinical at times, but it just works for me. There's also Synkronizity's Cultivation and Pestilence's Hadeon on an album basis, and lots of guest appearances. I don't know if there's much good footage of when he was subbing in Cynic.
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Lots of great picks, Litho...a shot out to Dann Huff too...I'm not super-familiar with everything he's done, but his playing on Last of the Runaways and Time to Burn is sublime.
I had Huff on my longer list just for those two Giant albums. I know he's done a ton of other stuff too, but that's all I really know from him. He's really good though.
Probably my favorite performance of his is this Jeff Beck cover.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn_aeg04YyQ
His session work with Amy Grant in particular was quite formative for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ervNxZ8UIU
As for Santiago Dobles, I only have the first Aghora album. I know that was his "creature", but I actually remember being drawn to it mostly because of the insane drum/bass combo of Sean Reinert and Sean Malone. The guitar playing was obviously good, but I remember it being a bit cold. Anything else I should explore?
Hmm, hard to say. There's the next two Aghora albums, Formless and Entheogenic Frequencies, which you might prefer depending upon your taste. I can definitely see how he comes across a bit clinical at times, but it just works for me. There's also Synkronizity's Cultivation and Pestilence's Hadeon on an album basis, and lots of guest appearances. I don't know if there's much good footage of when he was subbing in Cynic.
Will check this stuff out! :tup
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I am 11/25. I like what I like. A lot of popular names and a lot of borderline obscure ones in the rock-metal realm. No technical reasoning. Just who make me want to air guitar. And my taste in music is the best. ;D
1. Alex Lifeson (#3)
2. John Petrucci (#1)
3. Eddie Van Halen (#2) - The top three together make up so much of the soundtrack of my life. I'm eternally grateful for them. :heart
4. Vernon Reid - Vern's frantic, unpolished style is music to my ears. His overall persona is total badass. There's an idea. DTF's Top 25 general badasses!
5. Stevie Ray Vaughan (#25)
6. Ace Frehley - One I really expected to place here! His songs are my faves in Kiss. Solo albums are all fun. Even his horrible vocals are great.
7. Larry LaLonde - Like the top three, his random, awkward voice in Primus has been a huge part of my life. Think I was the only one to mention Ler.
8. Tom Morello - Another I thought would place. His crazy techniques with Rage are just awesome. Audioslave was a huge treat too. His Nightwatchman CDs are great as well.
9. Joe Satriani (#9)
10. Paul Gilbert - I expected Paul to be top 25 as well! Surprised.
11. Adrian Smith (#12)
12. Jimmy Page (#6)
13 Kirk Hammett - Extremely shocked he didn't make the list. Add him and James to my life soundtrack.
14 Jerry Cantrell - Thought he had a shot.
15 Todd Park Mohr - Big Head Todd. Love the soulful sounds of his guitar work. Almost made my vocalist list as well. Similar to Richie Kotzen in my mind.
16 Mark Morton - Unique guitar leads for metal titans, Lamb of God.
17 John 5 - Really enjoy the eccentric blend of everything from metal to country in his solo work that he calls "blackgrass". His work with Rob Zombie and Marilyn Manson has been cool as well. He's got a smooth, effortless style and aura that just works. Probably should have ranked him a bit higher.
18 Synyster Gates - Don't know how to put it other than his music moves me.
19. David Gilmour (#4)
20 Mick Mars - Hair metal. Unpopular as it may be now, the Crue's music always has been and always will be cool to me (minus Vince Neil's modern abilities). Largely because of Mick's guitar work, especially on that first album.
21. Dave Mustaine (#22)
22. Slash (#17)
23. Randy Rhoads (#10)
24 Richie Kotzen - Another cool cat that I thought had a shot here. The one name that made my singer list too.
25 Ty Tabor - Beat out many of my other faves because of his sweeet tone. And his ability to create such a full sound as part of a trio much like Lifeson with Rush. Ty's work with Platypus, The Jelly Jam and Jughead is all good stuff too.
Considered: Hetfield, Iommi, Vai, May, Hendrix, Murray, Knopfler, Matheos
Didn't considered: Govan, Howe, Blackmore, Tipton, Shenker, DeGarmo
The Main Axe Tracker
Gibson 101 pts
Fender 61 pts
Ibanez 35 pts
Music Man +25 pts
EVH +24 pts
ESP 23 pts
Jackson 18 pts
Red Special / Old Lady / Fireplace 15 pts
Charvel 13 pts
Hamer 6 pts
PRS 5 pts
There it is. Pretty much how I expected it to go. Thought Music Man would make an appearance before the last reveal though!
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Man, Steve Rothery got done dirty in this countdown. He would have been top 5 for me.
I think had this countdown been run many years ago when Marillion was talked about here a lot thanks to Violent Green, JustJen and others, he would have done really well, but the forum seems to tilt more towards metal/hard rock now. I am not much of a Marillion fan, but Rothery is definitely a good one.
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Violent Green and JustJen, those are some names from antiquity.
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Paul Masvidal is another beast. Cynic is excellent and he played on Death's album Human.
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Also not sure how I omitted Per Nilsson, he's a fucking monstrous player. Did anyone vote for him?
LithoJazzoSphere must've!
Who does Per Nilsson play with?
His penultimate instrument
OK twosuitsglasser
:lol
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The one guy on my list who I had rated highly (9th) but I don’t think anyone else voted for was Doug Ott from Enchant. He’s just a great melodic soloist but he also has some major chops. Reminds me a good bit of Neal Schon and Alex Lifeson. I know there are some other Enchant fans here, but maybe none of them submitted a list.
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Plini is another guitarist that would have made my list. He is extremely creative.
I don't know how many of you remember, but he used to post over on Mike Portnoy's old forum all the time. I remember he did some forum collabs and made some songs based on suggestions from the people that posted in the threads he made. I still have those songs somewhere, I should dig them up and share them here. I wanna say that was like 12-13 years ago.
I'm not sure if he ever posts here or even has an account here.
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Plini is another guitarist that would have made my list. He is extremely creative.
I don't know how many of you remember, but he used to post over on Mike Portnoy's old forum all the time. I remember he did some forum collabs and made some songs based on suggestions from the people that posted in the threads he made. I still have those songs somewhere, I should dig them up and share them here. I wanna say that was like 12-13 years ago.
I'm not sure if he ever posts here or even has an account here.
Seen him a few times, great performer.
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Paul Masvidal is another beast. Cynic is excellent and he played on Death's album Human.
He is for sure, but as much Cynic as I've listened to, I'm not always sure what he's playing vs. Gobel, or even Kruidenier later on. All those albums are more of team efforts for me rather than a focus on an individual performance.
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The one guy on my list who I had rated highly (9th) but I don’t think anyone else voted for was Doug Ott from Enchant. He’s just a great melodic soloist but he also has some major chops. Reminds me a good bit of Neal Schon and Alex Lifeson. I know there are some other Enchant fans here, but maybe none of them submitted a list.
Well, I'd be one of them :) Love Doug Ott's playing (and Enchant, of course)
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The one guy on my list who I had rated highly (9th) but I don’t think anyone else voted for was Doug Ott from Enchant. He’s just a great melodic soloist but he also has some major chops. Reminds me a good bit of Neal Schon and Alex Lifeson. I know there are some other Enchant fans here, but maybe none of them submitted a list.
Well, I'd be one of them :) Love Doug Ott's playing (and Enchant, of course)
Love Doug Ott! He flies under the radar as well as Enchant.
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You know I completely blanked on my list. Nick Johnston, he has some really amazing music and is just a stellar player:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99Ao2wS644
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Rik Emmett is a guy that would have made my list up until recently, but I gave a few Triumph albums somewhat recent listens and was surprised by how well they didn't age. I still love some of their songs, but I just don't listen to them much anymore outside of a few songs I will reach for on their own, and like Eric Johnson, I cannot justify putting someone on there I almost never listen to anymore.
I saw him on his last acoustic tour a few years ago, and that pretty much cemented him in my all time top 5. Amazing guitarists, frontman, showman, and songwriter. Truly the total package.
Agreed. But even with Joe/I throwing him 20 points each, he still wouldn't have cracked the Top 25.
Looks like lonestar and I gave Rik 40 of his 46 points, which makes me think only three folks listed him. Most unfortunate.
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Rik Emmett is a guy that would have made my list up until recently, but I gave a few Triumph albums somewhat recent listens and was surprised by how well they didn't age. I still love some of their songs, but I just don't listen to them much anymore outside of a few songs I will reach for on their own, and like Eric Johnson, I cannot justify putting someone on there I almost never listen to anymore.
I saw him on his last acoustic tour a few years ago, and that pretty much cemented him in my all time top 5. Amazing guitarists, frontman, showman, and songwriter. Truly the total package.
Agreed. But even with Joe/I throwing him 20 points each, he still wouldn't have cracked the Top 25.
Looks like lonestar and I gave Rik 40 of his 46 points, which makes me think only three folks listed him. Most unfortunate.
Yeah, damn shame. Not as criminal as how Townshend or Rothery got wronged, but a damn shame
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Per was another one that probably should have made my list. What an amazing style. I love this video from him;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbZ27N9L3GQ
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Yeah, damn shame. Not as criminal as how Townshend or Rothery got wronged, but a damn shame
Marillion, I can understand, they're a quite popular band here, so you'd expect people associated with them to perform better. But The Who, despite having one of the earliest concept albums, is further away from DTF tastes. I looked back and you were the only one to have them in your top 3 artists/albums/songs in a thread we did. And especially given how lead-heavy the list slants, his placing would have been even more surprising. Hetfield was an outlier, and mostly just because of how massive Metallica is.
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Interesting I was the only one that ranked Timo. Stratovarius being a power house influential power metal band, I thought he'd get at least a couple of mentions.
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I would have had him somewhere back when I was deeper into power metal. I kind of soured on them for awhile, more so Kotipelto, though that whole debacle with disbanding the band and all for awhile was bizarre at the time, and my interest has never really recovered.
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Rik Emmett is a guy that would have made my list up until recently, but I gave a few Triumph albums somewhat recent listens and was surprised by how well they didn't age. I still love some of their songs, but I just don't listen to them much anymore outside of a few songs I will reach for on their own, and like Eric Johnson, I cannot justify putting someone on there I almost never listen to anymore.
I saw him on his last acoustic tour a few years ago, and that pretty much cemented him in my all time top 5. Amazing guitarists, frontman, showman, and songwriter. Truly the total package.
Agreed. But even with Joe/I throwing him 20 points each, he still wouldn't have cracked the Top 25.
Looks like lonestar and I gave Rik 40 of his 46 points, which makes me think only three folks listed him. Most unfortunate.
Rik should have been on my list. That was an epic miss on my part.
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I would have had him somewhere back when I was deeper into power metal. I kind of soured on them for awhile, more so Kotipelto, though that whole debacle with disbanding the band and all for awhile was bizarre at the time, and my interest has never really recovered.
I remember going through all that in real time. It was incredible. :lol
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I would have had him somewhere back when I was deeper into power metal. I kind of soured on them for awhile, more so Kotipelto, though that whole debacle with disbanding the band and all for awhile was bizarre at the time, and my interest has never really recovered.
I remember going through all that in real time. It was incredible. :lol
Oh yea. It was nuts. Remember Miss K or whatever?
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I would have had him somewhere back when I was deeper into power metal. I kind of soured on them for awhile, more so Kotipelto, though that whole debacle with disbanding the band and all for awhile was bizarre at the time, and my interest has never really recovered.
I remember going through all that in real time. It was incredible. :lol
Oh yea. It was nuts. Remember Miss K or whatever?
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cpvoy2Bol7A/R5twPJpEeUI/AAAAAAAABe8/OPlv7n1lLgg/s400/fext17012004xxmis02.jpg)
:lol
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Yeah, damn shame. Not as criminal as how Townshend or Rothery got wronged, but a damn shame
Marillion, I can understand, they're a quite popular band here, so you'd expect people associated with them to perform better. But The Who, despite having one of the earliest concept albums, is further away from DTF tastes. I looked back and you were the only one to have them in your top 3 artists/albums/songs in a thread we did. And especially given how lead-heavy the list slants, his placing would have been even more surprising. Hetfield was an outlier, and mostly just because of how massive Metallica is.
That's more the reason I initially thought Pete would get skunked, he just doesn't have the impact here, although there are a good deal who haven't done official lists who have Quadrophenia in their top albums as well.
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Yeah, damn shame. Not as criminal as how Townshend or Rothery got wronged, but a damn shame
Marillion, I can understand, they're a quite popular band here, so you'd expect people associated with them to perform better. But The Who, despite having one of the earliest concept albums, is further away from DTF tastes. I looked back and you were the only one to have them in your top 3 artists/albums/songs in a thread we did. And especially given how lead-heavy the list slants, his placing would have been even more surprising. Hetfield was an outlier, and mostly just because of how massive Metallica is.
That's more the reason I initially thought Pete would get skunked, he just doesn't have the impact here, although there are a good deal who haven't done official lists who have Quadrophenia in their top albums as well.
I listened to Quadrophenia for the first time in my life about 3 months ago.
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Yeah, damn shame. Not as criminal as how Townshend or Rothery got wronged, but a damn shame
Marillion, I can understand, they're a quite popular band here, so you'd expect people associated with them to perform better. But The Who, despite having one of the earliest concept albums, is further away from DTF tastes. I looked back and you were the only one to have them in your top 3 artists/albums/songs in a thread we did. And especially given how lead-heavy the list slants, his placing would have been even more surprising. Hetfield was an outlier, and mostly just because of how massive Metallica is.
That's more the reason I initially thought Pete would get skunked, he just doesn't have the impact here, although there are a good deal who haven't done official lists who have Quadrophenia in their top albums as well.
I listened to Quadrophenia for the first time in my life about 3 months ago.
Really? Not a Who fan or what?
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Yeah, damn shame. Not as criminal as how Townshend or Rothery got wronged, but a damn shame
Marillion, I can understand, they're a quite popular band here, so you'd expect people associated with them to perform better. But The Who, despite having one of the earliest concept albums, is further away from DTF tastes. I looked back and you were the only one to have them in your top 3 artists/albums/songs in a thread we did. And especially given how lead-heavy the list slants, his placing would have been even more surprising. Hetfield was an outlier, and mostly just because of how massive Metallica is.
That's more the reason I initially thought Pete would get skunked, he just doesn't have the impact here, although there are a good deal who haven't done official lists who have Quadrophenia in their top albums as well.
I listened to Quadrophenia for the first time in my life about 3 months ago.
Really? Not a Who fan or what?
I had Who's Next as a kid, but other than the radio hits, I just never felt compelled to go any deeper with them. I was playing concept albums at work one day, and decided to throw that one on.
They've just never been a band that I have gravitated to.
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Before my time but I never understood the attraction either.
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I never got The Who either, the hits just never did anything for me and I never checked out anything deeper.
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Nathaniel Murphy made a post covering Heart Shaped Box for Chicago Music Exchange and while it's definitely not the flashiest thing he's done the arrangement is killer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOMDVYqyV7U
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Page is a hell of a player, but I never considered Zeppelin a favorite band, and I'm not very familiar with his other work, so he never even crossed my mind.
Hmmm, this makes me realize that LZ has never been a top 10 LZ band for me, yet Page still ranked 16th for me (and Bonham would be top 5 for me for drummers and JPJ would be top 10 for bass players). Contrast that to a band like Blue Oyster Cult, where no one from the band except Buck Dharma (who was top 10 for me in this) would be a favorite on their respective instruments, yet they are a top 10 all-time band for me.
Are these the next two countdowns? We gonna make the consensus DTF band?
I will answer that on Friday. :lol :P
I forgot to answer this Friday, but the Flower Kings album countdown is next, and then I have no other plans to do any more countdowns in the immediate future after that one.
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Saw the TFK post and figured that was your answer.
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Nathaniel Murphy made a post covering Heart Shaped Box for Chicago Music Exchange and while it's definitely not the flashiest thing he's done the arrangement is killer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOMDVYqyV7U
That was pretty cool. Thanks for the post. Listening to his Wicked Game now.
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My top players:
1. JP
2. Shawn Lane
3. David Gilmour
4. Steve Rothery
5. Joe Satriani
6. Adrian Smith/Dave Murray
8. Steve Vai
9. Al Di Meola
10. Andy Latimer
11. Eric Johnson
12. John Mclaughlin
13. Alex Lifeson
14. Tosin Abasi
15. Tony MacAlpine
16. Tony Iommi
17. Steve Howe
18. Allan Holdsworth
19. Jerry Cantrell
20. Kirk Hammet
Honorable Mentions: Mike McCready, Michael Romeo, Synyster Gates, Chimp Spanner
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Pretty solid list. Don't hear Chimp Spanner mentioned too often these days, and Lane is otherworldly. I listen to "Not Again" early in the year most years for nostalgia.
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Page is a hell of a player, but I never considered Zeppelin a favorite band, and I'm not very familiar with his other work, so he never even crossed my mind.
Hmmm, this makes me realize that LZ has never been a top 10 LZ band for me, yet Page still ranked 16th for me (and Bonham would be top 5 for me for drummers and JPJ would be top 10 for bass players). Contrast that to a band like Blue Oyster Cult, where no one from the band except Buck Dharma (who was top 10 for me in this) would be a favorite on their respective instruments, yet they are a top 10 all-time band for me.
Are these the next two countdowns? We gonna make the consensus DTF band?
I will answer that on Friday. :lol :P
I forgot to answer this Friday, but the Flower Kings album countdown is next, and then I have no other plans to do any more countdowns in the immediate future after that one.
Bummer. I couldn't do TFK even if I wanted to (I couldn't name even one song, though I've listened to them in the wake of getting into Transatlantic).
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The Flower Kings bore me, just not my thing.
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Are these the next two countdowns? We gonna make the consensus DTF band?
I will answer that on Friday. :lol :P
I forgot to answer this Friday, but the Flower Kings album countdown is next, and then I have no other plans to do any more countdowns in the immediate future after that one.
Bummer. I couldn't do TFK even if I wanted to (I couldn't name even one song, though I've listened to them in the wake of getting into Transatlantic).
I could change my mind at any minute and decided to do another, but I don't have a lot of interest in continuing the trend of instrument ones, at least as the thread runner. They are more time-consuming and simply not as fun to run. I like the song and album ones a lot more with specific artists, so I am far more likely to decide one of those going forward after the TFK one.
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I mean if it's cool with you Kev I'd like to run a drum one, maybe top 15 drummers, not sure what the interest would be there.
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I’d be down for that
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I mean if it's cool with you Kev I'd like to run a drum one, maybe top 15 drummers, not sure what the interest would be there.
Better make it top 25 or 30.i don't know if I could narrow that down any further.
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I'd start maybe with 25 and see how things shake out list wise, I wasn't sure how popular a drummer countdown would be.
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I think I could muster up 25...
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Same. It was hard enough to muster up 25 guitarists. I think 25 would be the number.
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I’m down for a drummer thread, of whatever length.
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I mean if it's cool with you Kev I'd like to run a drum one, maybe top 15 drummers, not sure what the interest would be there.
Have at it. I am good to hand the baton over for that one. :tup :tup
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Cool! I'll start the kickoff thread in a couple of days!
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This is going to be tough. I jotted down like 10 names and I'm already stuck.
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This is going to be tough. I jotted down like 10 names and I'm already stuck.
I got up to like 22 and some of them are a bit of a stretch.
But I’m sure we got a number of posters who can quickly list off a top 100.
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I'd participate in a top drummers thread but naming 25 seems a lot. How about we all rank 10 to 15 but you still countdown the top 25 from that?
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Yay for Alex Lifeson being so high on the list. :)
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This is going to be tough. I jotted down like 10 names and I'm already stuck.
I got up to like 22 and some of them are a bit of a stretch.
But I’m sure we got a number of posters who can quickly list off a top 100.
I rattled off 18 without any effort, and I still haven't opened my music library to see obvious ones I'd forgotten cause I'm old.
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25 drummers will be hard to narrow down to for me, so I'm certainly up for that.
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I have 28 names more or less off the top of my head. Can probably come up with a few more.
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I'm in for a drummer countdown.
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I want to share a few thoughts about some of the players who made my shortlist, but didn’t make the top 25. Most of the names will be familiar, but there may be a couple of complete outliers.
Al di Meola
An awesome player- probably my favourite acoustic player. Surprised he didn’t get in the top 25. Terrific electric player also. I’ve seen some criticise his lack of true improvisational ability, but I see him as a marvellous composer of latin-tinged tunes. Paco and john would be in my top 50 as well.
Allan Holdsworth
Very surprised not to see him in the top 10. Very enigmatic. After 30 years I’m still trying to understand his approach. Unique. Obviously influential (EVH, Thordendal – I love some of FT’s leads; they really capture that ‘otherworldliness’ that Allan had in abundance.)
Alex Skolnick
Stunned he wasn’t on the list. His leads in Testament have a great balance of melody, dissonance, technique, outside-the-box thinking. His jazz stuff is great too. Plus, he’s a really nice chap. Has time for his fans.
Rocky George
Unfamiliar to many, I’m sure. His work with mid-period Suicidal Tendencies is sooo full of melody and attitude. ‘How Will I Laugh…’ is a top 10 album for me, and I can sing all his solos in my head.
Devin Townsend
Great artist. Capable, entertaining, amazing songwriter, lovely bloke. He can shred, but doesn’t anymore, having left the guitar hero thing behind.
Geordie Walker
In his own category really. Killing Joke were enormously important to me as a youth, and this guy’s sound was a big part of that. The noise he gets from his ES295 is terrifying sometimes. I can’t say he was an influence on my playing-it’d be a fool’s errand trying to copy his style. I would look at ‘Firedances’ and ‘Nighttime’ if you want to hear what I mean.
John McGeoch
His work in the Banshees was very special. Again, not a ‘rock’ player. Died too young
Hermann Li
Dragonforce are a bit of an acquired taste-the power metal thing isn’t going to please everyone. Herman is a great technician, but his playing is imaginative and him and Tottman always look like they’re having fun. I think I got the first purple EGEN 18 in GB when it came out nearly 15 years ago-a 40th pressie from my wife. Wonderful guitar-so versatile. The ‘Kung Fu grip’ epitomises what I like about this dude.
Tobin Abassi
I’m still wrestling with this guy’s music. A very modern take on instrumental rock. With a very individual approach. I look forward to every new release.
Frank Zappa
Stunned he wasn’t in the top 25. His ‘Shut Up and Play…’ albums are required listening. But, if you want to hear his best solo-‘Son of Orange County’ from the Roxy and Elsewhere album. He is, with Vai, my musical hero.
Jake E Lee
My favourite of Ozzy’s guitarists, but his work with Badlands was even better.
Buckethead
Like Holdsworth, this dude is an enigma. I want to dig deeper but the rabbit hole is 500+ albums and counting
Billy Duffy
The Cult have been one of ‘my’ groups for 40 years. Duffy is no technician, but has a great way with memorable riffs.
Jason Becker
‘Altitudes’ ‘Nuff said.
Dan Donegan
I’m fond of the Disturbed. His solos tend to be well thought out, not too shreddy, but a good sense of melody. He plays what he needs to in the band he’s in.
Richie Kotzen
Very surprised he didn’t make the cut. Can do anything on a Tele. Very musical. Probably the best singer on the list too.
Johnny Ricco
Warrior Soul, in the 90’s, were awesome. This guy’s playing was so important to their sound. The ‘Salutations…’ album is probably the place to look for his best work (Salutations from the Ghetto Nation’ and ‘The Golden Shore’ are very different styles, but wonderful playing for the song)
Vernon Reid
You wouldn’t have any trouble picking out Reid’s playing in a blind listening challenge.
I don’t warm to all of it, but when I like it, I love it. ‘Cult of Personality’ is an obvious place to start. The whammy bar screeches and bends are wild and unpredictable but you know he’s in control.
Sometimes I wish his playing and a bit more in the way of sonic dynamics-it always seems pretty full-on.
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Some nice calls in their Fonzie , but then I know you never get anything wrr.....wr....wrr.....ong :biggrin:
Especially Skolnick, Lee, Kotzen , Becker etc........only conflicting opinion from me is I thought Jake E Lee's playing in Badlands was a step down from Ozzy.
Jake would've made Top 5 in my list , mostly for his Ozzy work.
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I thought Jake E Lee's playing in Badlands was a step down from Ozzy.
Definitely agree with this.
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Are these the next two countdowns? We gonna make the consensus DTF band?
I will answer that on Friday. :lol :P
I forgot to answer this Friday, but the Flower Kings album countdown is next, and then I have no other plans to do any more countdowns in the immediate future after that one.
Bummer. I couldn't do TFK even if I wanted to (I couldn't name even one song, though I've listened to them in the wake of getting into Transatlantic).
I could change my mind at any minute and decided to do another, but I don't have a lot of interest in continuing the trend of instrument ones, at least as the thread runner. They are more time-consuming and simply not as fun to run. I like the song and album ones a lot more with specific artists, so I am far more likely to decide one of those going forward after the TFK one.
If it matters, I'm with you on that. I think - and no reflection on you, because you do a STELLAR job on these, no exceptions! - it's far better with a finite list that we're all working from, and ranking, than having an open field, IMO.
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I'm in for a drummer countdown.
As am I. I prefer the song/albums rankings more, but I'm not sitting out any thread that could generate another Lars conversation!! :) :) :)
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Frank Zappa
Stunned he wasn’t in the top 25.
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Why on earth would you be stunned? How many Zappa references do you see around here? It's none actually.
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Frank Zappa
Stunned he wasn’t in the top 25.
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Why on earth would you be stunned? How many Zappa references do you see around here? It's none actually.
Maybe Dweezil Zappa from time to time.
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Frank Zappa
Stunned he wasn’t in the top 25.
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Why on earth would you be stunned? How many Zappa references do you see around here? It's none actually.
Maybe Dweezil Zappa from time to time.
Not much though. Maybe only while they toured together 15 years ago.
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The Flower Kings bore me, just not my thing.
Agreed, and I'm not sure why. I'm a huge Yes fan, as well as a Transatlantic fan. But I've always found TFK albums to be so laborious to get through.
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If it matters, I'm with you on that. I think - and no reflection on you, because you do a STELLAR job on these, no exceptions! - it's far better with a finite list that we're all working from, and ranking, than having an open field, IMO.
:tup :tup
Frank Zappa
Stunned he wasn’t in the top 25.
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Why on earth would you be stunned? How many Zappa references do you see around here? It's none actually.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=884.msg25914#msg25914
Granted, it's been three years since the last post, but 25 pages of chatter over the years is pretty good considering he is long deceased and it seems like non-active artists get less talk than active ones.
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The Flower Kings bore me, just not my thing.
Agreed, and I'm not sure why. I'm a huge Yes fan, as well as a Transatlantic fan. But I've always found TFK albums to be so laborious to get through.
As a fan of most of what TFK have done, some of the albums can be a bit laborious. But there are almost always moments that make it worth the investment. It would help if they would stick to single albums, but a part of me admires Roine’s willingness to just put it all out there regardless of length or density.
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The Flower Kings bore me, just not my thing.
Agreed, and I'm not sure why. I'm a huge Yes fan, as well as a Transatlantic fan. But I've always found TFK albums to be so laborious to get through.
As a fan of most of what TFK have done, some of the albums can be a bit laborious. But there are almost always moments that make it worth the investment. It would help if they would stick to single albums, but a part of me admires Roine’s willingness to just put it all out there regardless of length or density.
That's what she said. :eek :eek :eek :D ;D
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The Flower Kings bore me, just not my thing.
Agreed, and I'm not sure why. I'm a huge Yes fan, as well as a Transatlantic fan. But I've always found TFK albums to be so laborious to get through.
As a fan of most of what TFK have done, some of the albums can be a bit laborious. But there are almost always moments that make it worth the investment. It would help if they would stick to single albums, but a part of me admires Roine’s willingness to just put it all out there regardless of length or density.
I think the key is focusing on one album at a time. Because there is so much material, best to keep it simple. When I got into them, I had bought I think three of their studio albums and, while I liked this song here and that song there, I was having trouble really grabbing on to them completely because I kept bouncing all around from album to album. Once I streamlined it and narrowed my focus to one album at a time, I was then able to get into them a big way (obviously, as they are a top 5 all-time band for me now).
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The Flower Kings bore me, just not my thing.
Agreed, and I'm not sure why. I'm a huge Yes fan, as well as a Transatlantic fan. But I've always found TFK albums to be so laborious to get through.
As a fan of most of what TFK have done, some of the albums can be a bit laborious. But there are almost always moments that make it worth the investment. It would help if they would stick to single albums, but a part of me admires Roine’s willingness to just put it all out there regardless of length or density.
That's what she said. :eek :eek :eek :D ;D
Well, I left that one out over the plate, and there are a number of ways you could go with it…
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The Flower Kings bore me, just not my thing.
Agreed, and I'm not sure why. I'm a huge Yes fan, as well as a Transatlantic fan. But I've always found TFK albums to be so laborious to get through.
As a fan of most of what TFK have done, some of the albums can be a bit laborious. But there are almost always moments that make it worth the investment. It would help if they would stick to single albums, but a part of me admires Roine’s willingness to just put it all out there regardless of length or density.
I think the key is focusing on one album at a time. Because there is so much material, best to keep it simple. When I got into them, I had bought I think three of their studio albums and, while I liked this song here and that song there, I was having trouble really grabbing on to them completely because I kept bouncing all around from album to album. Once I streamlined it and narrowed my focus to one album at a time, I was then able to get into them a big way (obviously, as they are a top 5 all-time band for me now).
Yeah, you have to kind of commit to the experience of listening through to the whole album at once. Listening to Stardust We Are on a long car drive finally allowed it all to click for me (for a long time, I would only listen to a few select tracks).
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I'm down for a drummers thread. 25 should be no problem.
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I'm in for a drummer countdown.
As am I. I prefer the song/albums rankings more, but I'm not sitting out any thread that could generate another Lars conversation!! :) :) :)
Lars will get bonus points from me for his groundbreaking open hi-hat work.
Frank Zappa
Stunned he wasn’t in the top 25.
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Why on earth would you be stunned? How many Zappa references do you see around here? It's none actually.
He gets mentioned from time to time, but being stunned is a little odd. The phrase "required listening" did, however, make me roll my eyes more than a little.
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Ok. No one requires you to listen.
I’m just surprised that he doesn’t register more props from this place, being a progressive music forum, with a lot of guitar fans with more than a superficial level of appreciation for what’s out there.
That’s all. No offence intended.
The listening suggestions were just signposts to where to start if you wanted to dip your toe
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I'm in for a drummer countdown.
As am I. I prefer the song/albums rankings more, but I'm not sitting out any thread that could generate another Lars conversation!! :) :) :)
Lars will get bonus points from me for his groundbreaking open hi-hat work.
And his fluid use of time. :) :) :) :)
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I'm in for a drummer countdown.
As am I. I prefer the song/albums rankings more, but I'm not sitting out any thread that could generate another Lars conversation!! :) :) :)
Lars will get bonus points from me for his groundbreaking open hi-hat work.
And his fluid use of time. :) :) :) :)
Damn straight!
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I'm in for a drummer countdown.
As am I. I prefer the song/albums rankings more, but I'm not sitting out any thread that could generate another Lars conversation!! :) :) :)
Lars will get bonus points from me for his groundbreaking open hi-hat work.
And his fluid use of time. :) :) :) :)
Damn straight!
All while leaving his ride cymbal at home! Any schmo can play with a full set of cymbals. Lars could win the Tour de France on a unicycle.
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Ok. No one requires you to listen.
I’m just surprised that he doesn’t register more props from this place, being a progressive music forum, with a lot of guitar fans with more than a superficial level of appreciation for what’s out there.
That’s all. No offence intended.
The listening suggestions were just signposts to where to start if you wanted to dip your toe
I like Zappa.. Joe's Garage my dude! Zappa is without a doubt a legend. Steve Vai's mentor.
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I'm in for a drummer countdown.
As am I. I prefer the song/albums rankings more, but I'm not sitting out any thread that could generate another Lars conversation!! :) :) :)
Lars will get bonus points from me for his groundbreaking open hi-hat work.
And his fluid use of time. :) :) :) :)
Damn straight!
All while leaving his ride cymbal at home! Any schmo can play with a full set of cymbals. Lars could win the Tour de France on a unicycle.
HAHAHA, that got a true laugh out loud. :)
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I'm in on the drummers thread as well.
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Sweet! Thread will start tomorrow!
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Coolio...got a tentative list ranked, with a pretty firm top ten. Just got to see what peeps my aged mind forgot.
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Sweet! Thread will start tomorrow!
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Sweet! Thread will start tomorrow!
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You know I forgot about that drummer :lol, I think we can safely say he will be number 1
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It looks like he's auditioning to replace Blas Elias in Slaughter. He's my number one for sure :lol
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Everyone is fighting for number 2, because Guy Patterson, aka Spartacus, should obviously be number 1...
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/6858624c8e29b5810e4069247d85183a/9418e34b02843936-c1/s540x810/9f05be29d0f4e2fdac4c95d8ad2c97b2e67a9cb1.gif)
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Everyone is fighting for number 2, because Guy Patterson, aka Spartacus, should obviously be number 1...
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/6858624c8e29b5810e4069247d85183a/9418e34b02843936-c1/s540x810/9f05be29d0f4e2fdac4c95d8ad2c97b2e67a9cb1.gif)
But you wouldn't have Guy Patterson without people like Bobby Washington, who famously drummed with Del Paxton.
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But you wouldn't have Guy Patterson without people like Bobby Washington, who famously drummed with Del Paxton.
Exactly!
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If every drummer from Spinal Tap doesn't make the list, I will protest!
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If every drummer from Spinal Tap doesn't make the list, I will protest!
They will for sure. :metal
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Everyone is fighting for number 2, because Guy Patterson, aka Spartacus, should obviously be number 1...
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/6858624c8e29b5810e4069247d85183a/9418e34b02843936-c1/s540x810/9f05be29d0f4e2fdac4c95d8ad2c97b2e67a9cb1.gif)
But you wouldn't have Guy Patterson without people like Bobby Washington, who famously drummed with Del Paxton.
Uh, who? Who are these people?
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Everyone is fighting for number 2, because Guy Patterson, aka Spartacus, should obviously be number 1...
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/6858624c8e29b5810e4069247d85183a/9418e34b02843936-c1/s540x810/9f05be29d0f4e2fdac4c95d8ad2c97b2e67a9cb1.gif)
But you wouldn't have Guy Patterson without people like Bobby Washington, who famously drummed with Del Paxton.
Uh, who? Who are these people?
From a movie or a show maybe.
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Everyone is fighting for number 2, because Guy Patterson, aka Spartacus, should obviously be number 1...
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/6858624c8e29b5810e4069247d85183a/9418e34b02843936-c1/s540x810/9f05be29d0f4e2fdac4c95d8ad2c97b2e67a9cb1.gif)
But you wouldn't have Guy Patterson without people like Bobby Washington, who famously drummed with Del Paxton.
Uh, who? Who are these people?
My love for you is diminishing.
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Everyone is fighting for number 2, because Guy Patterson, aka Spartacus, should obviously be number 1...
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/6858624c8e29b5810e4069247d85183a/9418e34b02843936-c1/s540x810/9f05be29d0f4e2fdac4c95d8ad2c97b2e67a9cb1.gif)
But you wouldn't have Guy Patterson without people like Bobby Washington, who famously drummed with Del Paxton.
Uh, who? Who are these people?
My love for you is diminishing.
I freaking LOVE that movie!
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Everyone is fighting for number 2, because Guy Patterson, aka Spartacus, should obviously be number 1...
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/6858624c8e29b5810e4069247d85183a/9418e34b02843936-c1/s540x810/9f05be29d0f4e2fdac4c95d8ad2c97b2e67a9cb1.gif)
But you wouldn't have Guy Patterson without people like Bobby Washington, who famously drummed with Del Paxton.
Uh, who? Who are these people?
Oh, man. You are losing cool points as we speak.
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Seconded. LOL
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Can I lose something I never really had? :) :) :) :)
So that guy looks familiar... I got it. I had the wrong movie.
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1. Mark Knopfler
Decided to post this here because many of the guitarists mentioned in this thread feature.
Mark Knopfler has gathered together 60 guitarists for a re-recording of his 1983 tune Going Home (the theme from the movie Local Hero, for which he wrote the soundtrack). Guitarists featured include David Gilmour, Jeff Beck (his final recorded work apparently), Alex Lifeson, Pete Townshend, Eric Clapton, Slash, Joe Satriani, Brian May, Steve Lukather, Bruce Springstein, Peter Frampton and, wait for it, Sheryl Crow.
Tune's out in March and benefits charity:
https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/mark-knopfler-guitarists-going-home-charity-single-bruce-springsteen-slash-townshend-1235602787/
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Do they get 6 notes each?
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All of these "and many more."
The song from the group dubbed Mark Knopfler’s Guitar Heroes was produced by former Dire Straits keyboardist Guy Fletcher and also features work from Sheryl Crow, Joan Armatrading, Journey’s Jonathan Cain, Tom Morello, Peter Frampton, Buddy Guy, Joe Bonamassa, former Squeeze member Paul Carrack, Keith Urban, Steve Cropper, Steve Vai, Vince Gill, Sam Fender, Sonny Landreth, Duran Duran’s Andy Taylor, the Eagles’ Joe Walsh, Albert Lee, Rush’s Alex Lifeson, Steve Lukather, Dave Mason, Cheap Trick’s Rick Nielsen, Orianthi, Susan Tedeschi and Dereck Trucks and many more.
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Do they get 6 notes each?
It's gonna be the full 30 minute blowout version.
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1. Mark Knopfler
Decided to post this here because many of the guitarists mentioned in this thread feature.
Mark Knopfler has gathered together 60 guitarists for a re-recording of his 1983 tune Going Home (the theme from the movie Local Hero, for which he wrote the soundtrack). Guitarists featured include David Gilmour, Jeff Beck (his final recorded work apparently), Alex Lifeson, Pete Townshend, Eric Clapton, Slash, Joe Satriani, Brian May, Steve Lukather, Bruce Springstein, Peter Frampton and, wait for it, Sheryl Crow.
Tune's out in March and benefits charity:
https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/mark-knopfler-guitarists-going-home-charity-single-bruce-springsteen-slash-townshend-1235602787/
Bit 'busy' but I suppose that's what you get when 60-odd guitarists play over one another...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zBGm7gJtSZE
The tune proper kicks in at 3 minutes and the video 'helpfully' labels who's playing what and when. I think.
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"Blues Licks: The Song". I'll bet there will be some covers of it all over Youtube in the next few days, although it would be a nightmare to catch every little buried part. It's cool that he managed to assemble so many people together, although it's unfortunate that the format really homogenizes dozens of different unique players into mostly sounding very similar to each other.
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Half of them - and it's the ultimate testament to greatness - you can catch without needing a name on the screen.
Most true to the original song: Peter Frampton
Dick swinging the hardest on entrance: Brian May
Most surprising melody: Toni Iommi
Most obnoxious: Tom Morello
Best tone: Joe Bonamassa
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Most obnoxious: Tom Morello
Agree with this. It was inappropriate for the type of exercise this was and it really pulled me out of the piece.
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I'm not sure Satch's whammy bar stuff fit either. :lol
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Dick swinging the hardest on entrance: Brian May
Well, of course, that line caught my eye. His part didn't jump out at me as much as I thought it would, but I've just always wanted to
be able to include 'dick swinging the hardest on entrance' in a DTF post, and get away with it. :lol
But, Tony Iommi and the overlap with Brian was terrific.
Frampton never ceases to amaze. Enjoyed Steve Lukather as well.
(oy, only two commercial interruptions during the first three minutes >:()
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I tapped out after 30 seconds.
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Seen Frampton 8 times. An absolutely awe inspiring show as a guitarist and singer.
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I tapped out after 30 seconds.
I got a little farther, but it was bland, and watching the graphics with the names gave me a headache.