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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: KevShmev on October 31, 2022, 07:42:59 PM
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Okay, to keep the fun going, let's try something a little different!
We will do a top 25 for favorite singers.
I will count down the 25 singers in order, and they will be taken from lists of anyone who wants to send me theirs via PM. Do not post them on the forum here. Send them to me via PM. I will take all of the lists and come up with the cumulative list and do the countdown from 25 to 1.
The rules:
-Singers must be listed from 25 to 1 in order (in reverse order), with no ties. No having three singers at number 7 or anything like that. DO NOT list your singers with the points total. List them in your order (I will figure out the points on my end).
-Any list submitted with the singers not numbered will be ignored.
-Anyone wanting to submit a list must do so by the end of day, Saturday, November 26th. I will then begin the countdown shortly thereafter.
-The list will be tallied numerically in a simple way. On each list, whatever singer is at number 1 gets 25 points, number 2 gets 24 points, number 3 gets 23 points, etc.
-List each singer by their stage name (first and last name or just one name if it's someone who goes by just one name like Bono or Cher; do not send acronyms or just first or last names assuming I will know who you mean).
-PROOFREAD YOUR LISTS BEFORE SENDING THEM. Any list with the same singer mentioned twice will be not be counted.
Feel free to post in this thread as well that you have PM'd me, if for no other reason than to bump this back up for others who may want to participate who may not have seen the thread yet.
For the purposes of this thread, a "singer" can apply to singers, screamers, growlers, etc. A vocalist of any kind pretty much works.
This ranking engine link below works great if you have too much difficulty making one on your own. You can input all of the singers you want, and then you pick your favorite of every 1 on 1 matchup and then it spits out your list.
https://www.pubmeeple.com/ranking-engine
25 Mikael Akerfeldt
24 Peter Gabriel
23 Brad Delp
22 Paul McCartney
21 Layne Staley
20 Einar Solberg
19 Jon Anderson
18 Anneke van Giersbergen
17 Michael Kiske
16 Chris Cornell
15 Robert Plant
14 Daniel Gildenlow
13 Ann Wilson
12 Floor Jansen
11 Rob Halford
10 Geddy Lee
09 Ray Alder
08 Devin Townsend
07 Russell Allen
06 Ronnie James Dio
05 Steve Perry
04 Geoff Tate
03 Bruce Dickinson
02 James LaBrie
01 Freddie Mercury
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So I couldn't list Paul Stanley as Starchild?
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I don't even know what that is. Nicknames or nonsense like that won't count. I don't want to have to look up every stupid nickname. :lol :lol
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Hmm, I like the idea of this. What's the cutoff date? Did I miss that in the OP?
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-Anyone wanting to submit a list must do so by the end of day, Saturday, November 26th.
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Ooh, this is fun. Gonna take a little thought up front to just come up with the candidates, but I’ve already got a pretty good idea who my top 5-10 are.
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Interesting! Sounds fun.
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Interesting! Sounds fun.
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It took me a lot less time to get a first draft together than I expected. Will sit with it for a few days and probably will do some tweaking, but I don’t think a ton will change.
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This is hard. My first 10 came to me immediately. Then I hit a bit of a roadblock.
Wonder what the over/under is going to be for vocalists featured on every submitted list.
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This is an awesome idea! This list could be anything. I am actually predicting that the number of vocalists featured on every submitted list will be zero.
This will take a bit of thinking...
Blaze Bayley for the win! :D
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Sent my list. Half of them are never gonna get enough points to make the overall list but happy with my top 25. Although, I'm bound to have forgotten someone glaringly obvious.
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Sounds like fun.
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Sent my list. Half of them are never gonna get enough points to make the overall list but happy with my top 25. Although, I'm bound to have forgotten someone glaringly obvious.
Well, when you send your list within hours of the OP with 25 days spare.......yeah, that may happen. :lol
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This really sounds like a fun idea. It's also a perfect opportunity for me to figure this out, I've been wondering who my favorite singer were for years. ;D
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Sent my list. Half of them are never gonna get enough points to make the overall list but happy with my top 25. Although, I'm bound to have forgotten someone glaringly obvious.
Well, when you send your list within hours of the OP with 25 days spare.......yeah, that may happen. :lol
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I already constantly make lists like this, it's just going to be a question of tweaking them a bit, and solidifying the order. And how much to goose a few entries to potentially give them an additional vote, vs. just listing more singers that no one else is likely to have anyway. I want to sit on a this a bit, so I'll probably wait to send a final list a few days before the deadline. It should be a lot of fun though. There is an old "15 Favorite Female Vocalists" thread I noticed from a few years ago, that I've contemplated bumping a few times, but I wanted to do some writeups for each vocalist and a representative/favorite song of theirs. Unless things change, my list right now is actually 14 women and 11 men, so this will be a chance to do that anyway, plus highlight a few of the guys as well. Even if I do a top 50, there's going to be some, "what, you don't have X?" Yeah, I probably love them too, but there's a lot of great vocalists.
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I have definitely listed multiple vocalists that will 100% not make anyone else's lists. Also, objectively I am aware that some of them are not good singers :lol but, they are my top 25 favourites :tup
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I'm going to struggle with this. A few standouts come to mind but 25 is a lot. The results will definitely be interesting though.
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But is James LaBrie even going to make it? :corn
For me, not a chance
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But is James LaBrie even going to make it? :corn
For me, not a chance
Chance LaBrie?
:neverusethis:
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So bad it’s good.
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I’ll probably be too late for this one again, but I might give it a shot.
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I'm going to struggle with this. A few standouts come to mind but 25 is a lot. The results will definitely be interesting though.
Exactly what I was thinking.
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Ooh, this is fun. Gonna take a little thought up front to just come up with the candidates, but I’ve already got a pretty good idea who my top 5-10 are.
Haha, that's what I was thinking. The initial list is going to be the hard part.
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Made my list! Hard to do, and while my top 2 are my top 2, the rest can easily change. But I'll send it soon.
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The hard part is deciding between singers who in the past had a bigger impact on me, but maybe don't so much now v. some singers who I currently am really loving but I haven't had as much time with. I've got a pool of about 50 singers, and there are definitely some great ones who will be left out. My general thought is to lean towards the ones I really enjoy right now though.
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This. Is. Awesome.
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This seems impossible.
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This seems impossible.
Not if you put little thought into it :lol
*disclaimer - twosuitsluke does not except responsibility for anyone who submits a list without putting any thought into it
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This seems impossible.
Not if you put little thought into it :lol
*disclaimer - twosuitsluke does not except responsibility for anyone who submits a list without putting any thought into it
:lol
I think coming up with an exact order will be difficult, and I doubt I have 25 obvious ones, but this should be fun.
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I may have to jump on this one, even though a few of mine will only get a vote from me lol
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I too feel 25 is too much, but I’ll see what I can come up with.
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I thought 25 would be too hard, but then I just scrolled through my Itunes and it was easy.
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Yeah, the harder part is cutting off at 25.
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So, what makes a ‘favourite’ singer for you guys? Are we looking purely at the sound of their voices, or thinking of specific songs or vocal lines they sung? Perhaps even songs they (co-)wrote? Is it a vocalist from a group you happen to like while disregarding whether they’re actually ‘good’ (cue WildRanger, occasionally I do miss him) singers?
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So, what makes a ‘favourite’ singer for you guys? Are we looking purely at the sound of their voices, or thinking of specific songs or vocal lines they sung? Perhaps even songs they (co-)wrote? Is it a vocalist from a group you happen to like while disregarding whether they’re actually ‘good’ (cue WildRanger, occasionally I do miss him) singers?
Good question. For me, it's a combination of all the things mentioned. For example, Brad Delp. REALLY good singer, but only about 1-1.5 albums worth of material that I really enjoy. And, while that material is really good, Boston isn't exactly my favorite band. So...if I were basing it on quality of voice, Delp would rank higher, but the low volume of material holds him back. On the other hand, purely as a singer, Delp > Geddy Lee, but Rush's best stuff is miles above Boston's best stuff, and there's tons more of it.
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So, what makes a ‘favourite’ singer for you guys? Are we looking purely at the sound of their voices, or thinking of specific songs or vocal lines they sung? Perhaps even songs they (co-)wrote? Is it a vocalist from a group you happen to like while disregarding whether they’re actually ‘good’ (cue WildRanger, occasionally I do miss him) singers?
For me, it's probably mostly the latter, except that I of course have to love their voice. If it's a band that I like despite the vocals or that I'm not that invested in the vocals one way or the other, that won't make the list. So I have to love their voice, but that doesn't necessarily mean that a vocal coach would consider them "good.".
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I think for me, a favourite singer is someone whose actual voice and vocal performance I really enjoy and admire combined with me really enjoying their artistic output. There isn't going to be anyone on my list where I just purely like the singer and know they are a phenomenal performer but don't like or listen to the songs they sing - it that makes sense. The two go together for me and most of my favourite singers are going to be from my favourite bands with a few exceptions.
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Yeah, the harder part is cutting off at 25.
You don't have to. You can do as many as you want and then just send him the top 25 of that. I think my list was 28 and could've been more.
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Hardest thing for me about this is that, for singers that have been around a long time, most have lost a LOT from what made them great back in the day. That doesn't detract at all from them being on my list. But it makes it hard to rank some of them. Someone like Geoff Tate, for example, would have been in my top 3 (probably #1) through most of the '90s. I give that a lot of weight. But he can't even really do anything I would consider "singing" nowadays. That makes it hard to rank against a guy like, say, Michael Sweet, who has lost a step or two but can still bring it at an extremely high level. Or Floor Jansen who hasn't lost a thing. This is going to be hard.
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My considerations, in no order:
How they sound in general. Do they make songs I like more enjoyable? Do they make me enjoy songs I wouldn't have otherwise?
Are they a "one-trick pony" or is their some variety in their catalog?
Longevity, how did they evolve over time?
Do they have any performances I'd rank as iconic?
Do they seem like a kind person when not behind the mic?
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Hardest thing for me about this is that, for singers that have been around a long time, most have lost a LOT from what made them great back in the day. That doesn't detract at all from them being on my list. But it makes it hard to rank some of them. Someone like Geoff Tate, for example, would have been in my top 3 (probably #1) through most of the '90s. I give that a lot of weight. But he can't even really do anything I would consider "singing" nowadays. That makes it hard to rank against a guy like, say, Michael Sweet, who has lost a step or two but can still bring it at an extremely high level. Or Floor Jansen who hasn't lost a thing. This is going to be hard.
I had these exact thoughts too mate, and Tate was probably the one that sprung to mind also as an example.
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I don't envy Kev putting this list together because I think he's going to get at least 150 different names.
But I'd be shocked if Geoff Tate doesn't make most lists.
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For some of them, I’m factoring peak pretty heavily. But there are some who I love in part for sounding great for a long time and/or learning to adapt their style to suit their range as they aged.
But the main criteria for me is “which singers give me the most enjoyment or have had a significant impact on me.” I’m not being much more scientific than that.
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I don't envy Kev putting this list together because I think he's going to get at least 150 different names.
But I'd be shocked if Geoff Tate doesn't make most lists.
Add a 0 to that number. :lol
5 lists submitted and accepted so far, and 84 singers so far on the spreadsheet. This is gonna be something.
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... learning to adapt their style to suit their range as they aged.
Someone I have down wouldn't have made the full list at all, but this characteristic put him in the Top 10.
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There's a chance 17 on my current list will only be on my list. DTF is a large enough pool that I expect a couple to be poached, but most of the rest would surprise me.
So, what makes a ‘favourite’ singer for you guys? Are we looking purely at the sound of their voices, or thinking of specific songs or vocal lines they sung? Perhaps even songs they (co-)wrote? Is it a vocalist from a group you happen to like while disregarding whether they’re actually ‘good’ (cue WildRanger, occasionally I do miss him) singers?
It's the quality and appeal of their voice to me, sometimes their versatility, do I find myself going back to songs specifically to hear their performance. Most of them would probably be considered technically competent singers, a few on my honorable mentions list not as much. I do try and disconnect the rest of the music and the songwriting from the vocal performance, but it's hard at times. My favorite bands tend to elevate the vocalists over time due to repeated exposure. But I also quite often when I get into a singer, will look up other projects they've been involved with. The hardest thing might be peak vs. longevity, it's the same problem as evaluating bands in general. It's very difficult for an artist/singer with only an album or two to rise up that high. If nothing else, a long career gives many more opportunities for additional peaks to stack up. But it's not that significant ultimately, often I'm comparing bands/singers over a peak of maybe my favorite 3-7 albums they've been involved with, even if they have many more.
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To me, it's a combination of everything. I have to like a lot of material by the singer in most cases, Brad Delp being an exception. For example, Paul Rodgers, formerly of Bad Company, is an incredible singer, but I can count on one hand the number of songs I ever listen to anymore that he sings, so I can't call someone one of my favorites when they have so little material I revisit. Conversely, I am sure there are many singers technically better than Geddy Lee, but Rush has been my favorite band for 31 years now, so how can he not be one of my favorites?
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Same here. It's not scientific and is probably going to end up being as much about "feel" as anything in some cases. Just wanted to articulate some of the challenges that came to mind.
Building my list. I have about 30 that I am going to whittle down. Or maybe I'll just put them all in the ranking engine and pick whoever ends up being the top 25. Not sure. I may still add a few as well. Giving myself some time in case I left anybody off.
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To me, it's a combination of everything. I have to like a lot of material by the singer in most cases, Brad Delp being an exception. For example, Paul Rodgers, formerly of Bad Company, is an incredible singer, but I can count on one hand the number of songs I ever listen to anymore that he sings, so I can't call someone one of my favourites when they have so little material I revisit. Conversely, I am sure there are many singers technically better than Geddy Lee, but Rush has been my favourite band for 31 years now, so how can he not be one of my favourites?
Really agree with this post. Paul Rodgers is indeed phenomenal but he won't be on my list for the same reasons.
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Y'all are going to be pissed when you see that my top 3 are Rick Astley, Lil Wayne, and David St. Hubbins :corn
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But in all seriousness, I ended up with a preliminary list of 65 vocalists......time to run through the ranking engine!
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So, what makes a ‘favourite’ singer for you guys? Are we looking purely at the sound of their voices, or thinking of specific songs or vocal lines they sung? Perhaps even songs they (co-)wrote? Is it a vocalist from a group you happen to like while disregarding whether they’re actually ‘good’ (cue WildRanger, occasionally I do miss him) singers?
Thanks for the replies I got so far! Interesting to read other people’s takes.
Now here’s something else I was considering.. how would you scale the ‘quality’ of singing with the quality of the singer’s musical output? To give two examples from the prog realm of two very prolific artists I like for different reasons; I love Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson’s solo output, but I would not consider Steven to be a remarkable singer. He is therefore unlikely to make my list, despite him being responsible for some really good songs and albums. On the other hand, we have Devin Townsend whose singing I do really enjoy, but even him I would not consider to be a ‘singer’ first; he’s a songwriter primarily who also happens to sing (if that makes sense). That said, I find his singing to be great and his vast catalogue actually amplifies that, because it showcases him in so many different ways. Devin may therefore very well make my list eventually.
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So, what makes a ‘favourite’ singer for you guys? Are we looking purely at the sound of their voices, or thinking of specific songs or vocal lines they sung? Perhaps even songs they (co-)wrote? Is it a vocalist from a group you happen to like while disregarding whether they’re actually ‘good’ (cue WildRanger, occasionally I do miss him) singers?
Kip Winger sexiness.
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Should be fun :D I think I'll just throw my favorite band's vocalists and see what sticks. Fortunately, there is enough time for me to go through everything I know and dig something less obvious up. I think I'll just go with how much I like to hear their voice. Obviously, sometimes it's hard to separate singer with how much you like the actual music. Also, I don't think I'll include some that will 100% not be included in others' lists.
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Stuff.
Am I overthinking this? :lol
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Am I overthinking this? :lol
Yes. Personally, I think if some happens to do other things well, they shouldn't be penalized for that. Saying that Singer X feels like more of a songwriter than a singer, thus lessening their supposed greatness as a singer (yes, I paraphrased) seems bizarre. As I said yesterday, Geddy Lee ranked fairly high for me because how could he not, but he is arguably a better bass player than singer, so does that mean I should have disqualified him here? Of course not.
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Right. This isn't a list of who you think the most talented is. It's a list of your favorites.
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I'll probably go by whether or not the vocals make me feel something. It's quite possible that my list will feature Thom Yorke, Corey Taylor and Bob Dylan as much as it will feature extremely technically competent singers. If I enjoy the voice and if it brings certain emotions, it qualifies the singer straight away.
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I'll probably go by whether or not the vocals make me feel something. It's quite possible that my list will feature Thom Yorke, Corey Taylor and Bob Dylan as much as it will feature extremely technically competent singers. If I enjoy the voice and if it brings certain emotions, it qualifies the singer straight away.
Yup.
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I think other factors influenced my choices slightly though. I picked my favourites, but WHY are they my favourites? I can't say with 100% certainty, buy I feel that all the vocalists I picked also write their own lyrics.
Is that a deal breaker? Not at all, but I think I like vocalists more if they write their own lyrics. Also, if I love the band then loving the vocalist usually goes hand in hand, but of course that's not a hard and fast rule.
Finally, do I find it more impressive when a vocalist can also perform as well as they do, whilst also playing their instrument? Absolutely, and again, I know this is an influence on some of my picks.
Ones ability to play their instrument (sometimes playing incredibly complex stuff) proficiently, whilst singing, doesn't automatically get them a spot though. If they did, Dave Mustaine would've made my list :lol
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Am I overthinking this? :lol
Yes. Personally, I think if some happens to do other things well, they shouldn't be penalized for that. Saying that Singer X feels like more of a songwriter than a singer, thus lessening their supposed greatness as a singer (yes, I paraphrased) seems bizarre. As I said yesterday, Geddy Lee ranked fairly high for me because how could he not, but he is arguably a better bass player than singer, so does that mean I should have disqualified him here? Of course not.
My example with Steven Wilson was not so bizarre, I think. He’s not a particularly good singer, but he’s a monumental figure in progressive rock nonetheless. I guess for the purpose of eanking him as a *singer* I would need to separate his singing from his song-writing in order to makr a fair comparison to other singers, right?
Put it the other way around; if ‘Bohemian Rhapsody’ by Queen or ‘November Rain’ by Guns ‘n Roses is your favourite song ever, does that automatically make Freddie Mercury or Axl Rose your favourite singer?
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Am I overthinking this? :lol
Yes. Personally, I think if some happens to do other things well, they shouldn't be penalized for that. Saying that Singer X feels like more of a songwriter than a singer, thus lessening their supposed greatness as a singer (yes, I paraphrased) seems bizarre. As I said yesterday, Geddy Lee ranked fairly high for me because how could he not, but he is arguably a better bass player than singer, so does that mean I should have disqualified him here? Of course not.
My example with Steven Wilson was not so bizarre, I think. He’s not a particularly good singer, but he’s a monumental figure in progressive rock nonetheless. I guess for the purpose of eanking him as a *singer* I would need to separate his singing from his song-writing in order to makr a fair comparison to other singers, right?
Put it the other way around; if ‘Bohemian Rhapsody’ by Queen or ‘November Rain’ by Guns ‘n Roses is your favourite song ever, does that automatically make Freddie Mercury or Axl Rose your favourite singer?
YES!
Next question... :lol
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Just marking my territory, so that I'll remember to make a list. Carry on...
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I'm likely to list a singer that only made 4 albums, but I love his voice and he's one of my favorite singers.
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I think I just went with who I like and who I enjoy hearing.
I know I have at least one singer who's only made two albums to my knowledge.
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Someone is on my list based on one film/stage performance, and everything positive I've read about his character.
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Maybe for obscure entries we need to put the associated band in parenthesis if there is one.
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Well, I think if a singer is that obscure, they're not making the countdown anyway. So you'd really only be educating Kev, and I know he doesn't care what band some obscure singer sings for. :lol
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Right ^
List submitted. Close but no cigar included Peter Gabriel, Paul Simon, Sarah Brightman, Sade, Barry Gibb, Lou Gramm, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Ray Charles. Yowzer.
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Am I overthinking this? :lol
Yes. Personally, I think if some happens to do other things well, they shouldn't be penalized for that. Saying that Singer X feels like more of a songwriter than a singer, thus lessening their supposed greatness as a singer (yes, I paraphrased) seems bizarre. As I said yesterday, Geddy Lee ranked fairly high for me because how could he not, but he is arguably a better bass player than singer, so does that mean I should have disqualified him here? Of course not.
My example with Steven Wilson was not so bizarre, I think. He’s not a particularly good singer, but he’s a monumental figure in progressive rock nonetheless. I guess for the purpose of eanking him as a *singer* I would need to separate his singing from his song-writing in order to makr a fair comparison to other singers, right?
I would say so. If you say to yourself, "he's not really a good singer but he writes good songs" I'd say good for him, but he shouldn't be on the list. If you say to yourself "he's not a really good singer but I love his voice anyway" then he should be on the list.
Put it the other way around; if ‘Bohemian Rhapsody’ by Queen or ‘November Rain’ by Guns ‘n Roses is your favourite song ever, does that automatically make Freddie Mercury or Axl Rose your favourite singer?
No. :)
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I wonder if there are going to be like 15 vocalists ranked 1-15, then a hundred or so tied for 16th with 1 vote.
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Sent mine. That was...difficult and fun. And I couldn't help but feel that some of my rankings were a bit arbitrary and contradicted how I used criteria elsewhere on my list. But in the end, it was all about "feel."
Controversy: Rob Halford, Mike Patton, and Chris Cornell did NOT make my list. A couple of singers I don't even really listen to DID make my list just because, from my familiarity with their work, they are too good to leave off.
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Controversy: Rob Halford, Mike Patton, and Chris Cornell did NOT make my list. A couple of singers I don't even really listen to DID make my list just because, from my familiarity with their work, they are too good to leave off.
I don't even know who that middle guy is.
My controversy is that I completely forgot to include someone in my ranking who will likely finish in at least the top 10 (if not top 5). I KNEW that was going to happen and I was going to kick myself for it. Oh well.
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Chris Cornell would make my list of Top 25 LEAST favorite singers.
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Stuff.
Am I overthinking this? :lol
I'm fine with overthinking things.
If I look at my list of favorite bands, there are definitely a number of artists that I love, but don't care for the vocals (DT among them), and wouldn't consider putting the vocalist on this list. Loving the band and loving the vocalist are separate to me, even if it gets muddled.
The more I think about it, at least four vocalists on my list might not be considered especially competent singers. Character and setting the right vibe are more important than technical brilliance.
I know I have at least one singer who's only made two albums to my knowledge.
Three on mine have only around two albums of material (3-4 if you stretch it with EPs, bonus tracks, guest appearances and such). Sometimes quality > quantity.
Maybe for obscure entries we need to put the associated band in parenthesis if there is one.
Definitely a good idea, it will certainly be needed for mine. I generally mention the projects that emotionally connect with me the most, and even for more known vocalists sometimes people might not be aware they were involved with them.
Sade
She's on my honorable mentions list.
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Hypothetically, if someone wanted to alter their list, would that be permissible?
Asking for a friend
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Sade
She's on my honorable mentions list.
One of am I sure will be many entries where my reaction is along the lines of "not really my thing, and she wouldn't have shown up on my list, but I have zero problem with her being solidly in the discussion."
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Just so I am clear, we're considering our 25 favorite singers...in terms of what they were at their peak, correct? NOT where they are currently.
Everyone knows here who one of mine is, but I'm viewing him at his peak, as opposed to where he is now.
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Just so I am clear, we're considering our 25 favorite singers...in terms of what they were at their peak, correct? NOT where they are currently.
Everyone knows here who one of mine is, but I'm viewing him at his peak, as opposed to where he is now.
Right. You rank him however and whyever you want.
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Just so I am clear, we're considering our 25 favorite singers...in terms of what they were at their peak, correct? NOT where they are currently.
Everyone knows here who one of mine is, but I'm viewing him at his peak, as opposed to where he is now.
It’s however you want to do it really. If you want to put more weight on the peak, factor the decline, or ignore the decline altogether, that’s up to you.
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Controversy: Rob Halford, Mike Patton, and Chris Cornell did NOT make my list. A couple of singers I don't even really listen to DID make my list just because, from my familiarity with their work, they are too good to leave off.
I don't even know who that middle guy is.
My controversy is that I completely forgot to include someone in my ranking who will likely finish in at least the top 10 (if not top 5). I KNEW that was going to happen and I was going to kick myself for it. Oh well.
Woah!
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I haven't had time to start this, but I honestly have no idea how I'm going to rank the singers in my head.
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I haven't had time to start this, but I honestly have no idea how I'm going to rank the singers in my head.
That ranking engine is the only way I can rank more than 2-3 things.
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I haven't had time to start this, but I honestly have no idea how I'm going to rank the singers in my head.
That ranking engine is the only way I can rank more than 2-3 things.
Yeah, might have to be the go.
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Well, I think if a singer is that obscure, they're not making the countdown anyway. So you'd really only be educating Kev, and I know he doesn't care what band some obscure singer sings for. :lol
Exactly. :lol :lol
I am seeing a lot of names on the submitted lists so far that I either do not know or do not know very well. A bit surprising.
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Just so I am clear, we're considering our 25 favorite singers...in terms of what they were at their peak, correct? NOT where they are currently.
Everyone knows here who one of mine is, but I'm viewing him at his peak, as opposed to where he is now.
Well, I'm not that far off my peak, so I don't think it really matters.
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Just so I am clear, we're considering our 25 favorite singers...in terms of what they were at their peak, correct? NOT where they are currently.
Everyone knows here who one of mine is, but I'm viewing him at his peak, as opposed to where he is now.
Well, I'm not that far off my peak, so I don't think it really matters.
Uh, Bosky, I think he's talking about the peak of one's singing career, not one's acid trip.
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I don't envy Kev putting this list together because I think he's going to get at least 150 different names.
No kidding.
But I'd be shocked if Geoff Tate doesn't make most lists.
He won't make mine.
Am I overthinking this? :lol
Yes
My example with Steven Wilson was not so bizarre, I think. He’s not a particularly good singer, but he’s a monumental figure in progressive rock nonetheless. I guess for the purpose of ranking him as a *singer* I would need to separate his singing from his song-writing in order to make a fair comparison to other singers, right?
I don't think the other singers on your list are going to show up at your house if you don't make a fair comparison.
I think I just went with who I like and who I enjoy hearing.
That's what I'm gonna do.
Chris Cornell would make my list of Top 25 LEAST favorite singers.
Disqualified.
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Chris Cornell is disqualified? Cool. Wasn't voting for him anyway.
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9 lists so far, 147 singers have made at least one.
Suffice it to say, there will be zero who make every list.
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I'm just hoping that the top 10 aren't all prog/rock/metal singers.
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??? Are there any other kind?
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I think I have my list but I will probably sit on it for a while and go over it a few times to ensure I have captured everyone. My list is 100% based on my definition of favourite as opposed to 'greatest singers'.
To me favourite is - I enjoy/love the sound of their voice combined with loving their musical output. In many cases each individual has been a huge influence on me and my own musical journey.
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I'm just hoping that the top 10 aren't all prog/rock/metal singers.
Why wouldn't they be? We are talking about favourite here, not greatest singers.
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I'm just hoping that the top 10 aren't all prog/rock/metal singers.
Why wouldn't they be? We are talking about favourite here, not greatest singers.
Given the people participating on a prog rock metal forum.
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I think I have my list but I will probably sit on it for a while and go over it a few times to ensure I have captured everyone. My list is 100% based on my definition of favourite as opposed to 'greatest singers'.
To me favourite is - I enjoy/love the sound of their voice combined with loving their musical output. In many cases each individual has been a huge influence on me and my own musical journey.
Ditto to all of this. I've had my list done for a few days now, but wanted to make sure I didn't forget anyone.
I'm just hoping that the top 10 aren't all prog/rock/metal singers.
I have 4 on my list that aren't in the Prog or Metal genres. Then I have about a dozen more just outside my top 25.
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I'm just hoping that the top 10 aren't all prog/rock/metal singers.
Yeah, that's pretty unlikely. Especially when it's an aggregated list, which selects for consistency rather than variety, they're probably all going to be rock, and almost all at least prog-adjacent if not full-blown. Our past favorite band lists are probably a pretty good indicator of the type of results to expect. And it kind of depends on how strict you are about what "rock" is as well. Overall I'm probably a bit less rock and prog-centric than many here, and even then my list is still mostly loaded with them.
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I'm just hoping that the top 10 aren't all prog/rock/metal singers.
Even though I’m mostly a metal guy I think my breakdown is about 9 metal/hard rock, 14 pop, and 2 “other”.
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Nice. I can’t be sure my top 10 weren’t all rock one way or another. Can’t remember. It’d just be nice. But it’s all good either way as long as Nicki Spanjards is number one.
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I'm just hoping that the top 10 aren't all prog/rock/metal singers.
Very few of mine were.
So very few of mine will wind up on the aggregate list, I'm sure.
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I'm just hoping that the top 10 aren't all prog/rock/metal singers.
I nominated 46 singers, and they all are at least "rock" singers (although a couple of them have significant bodies of work that really isn't "rock"). As far as metal and prog, my top 10 has three who are primarily prog/metal, four metal, two prog/rock and one hard rock who occasionally has a tinge of prog and occasionally verges on metal.
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I'm barely getting to 25 in my nomination process.
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I'm barely getting to 25 in my nomination process.
TAC hates both instrumental music and music with vocals. :biggrin:
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Hah! Seriously, just taking my 25 top bands or so..... I don't know. After a bit, it all blends.
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I tried to do a 'March Madness' like tournament years ago around "favorite vocalists", and had to break it into different sub-genres, because the list was just way too big. I had 64 classic rock vocalists, 64 from the 80s/glam, 64 prog-metal, and 32 melodic/AOR. I didn't even have any pop.
It baffles me how anyone who couldn't come up with a top 25. I'll go insane just trying to narrow it down to 25.
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Truthfully, I've got a group of 5 more that I've debated swapping into the back end of the top 25, and then a list of another 20+ that I could consider past the top 30, but I don't know that I would feel strongly about the order at that point.
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I'm just hoping that the top 10 aren't all prog/rock/metal singers.
I nominated 46 singers, and they all are at least "rock" singers (although a couple of them have significant bodies of work that really isn't "rock"). As far as metal and prog, my top 10 has three who are primarily prog/metal, four metal, two prog/rock and one hard rock who occasionally has a tinge of prog and occasionally verges on metal.
I think the only one who made my top 25 whose primary genre isn't rock was...wait for it...Taylor Swift (and she didn't make it by a lot). Big shock, right? :lol I guess you could say Billy Joel as well, if we want to split hairs since he is more rock and roll than rock, if that makes sense.
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I tried to do a 'March Madness' like tournament years ago around "favorite vocalists", and had to break it into different sub-genres, because the list was just way too big. I had 64 classic rock vocalists, 64 from the 80s/glam, 64 prog-metal, and 32 melodic/AOR. I didn't even have any pop.
It baffles me how anyone who couldn't come up with a top 25. I'll go insane just trying to narrow it down to 25.
I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling this way. It's a bizarre sensation for me, being a multi-instrumentalist who doesn't enjoy singing when I've played in bands, but I often feel much more vocally-focused than most other prog/metal fans. My RYM lists are effectively a top 250, so there's no shortage of candidates to choose from.
I'm pretty happy with the selections in my top 24 right now (could feel different in the next week or two), but I can't decide who on the honorable mentions list to pull in for #25. And order of the top 24 is pretty fluid too. A couple weeks to go though.
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A few of mine I added feeling like those MLB writers who give one Hall of Fame vote to a good player who makes a token appearance on the ballet and will only ever receive one vote. They might not even legit be in my Top 25 but I wanted to give them a bit of recognition.
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I tried to do a 'March Madness' like tournament years ago around "favorite vocalists", and had to break it into different sub-genres, because the list was just way too big. I had 64 classic rock vocalists, 64 from the 80s/glam, 64 prog-metal, and 32 melodic/AOR. I didn't even have any pop.
Oh, I remember that. That was fun.
Now shut up and get over to the MCU D+ show thread!
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A few of mine I added feeling like those MLB writers who give one Hall of Fame vote to a good player who makes a token appearance on the ballet and will only ever receive one vote. They might not even legit be in my Top 25 but I wanted to give them a bit of recognition.
I'm almost tempted to go the opposite direction. Some of the legends that deserve recognition are probably going to be on enough other people's lists that they don't need to be on mine.
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A few of mine I added feeling like those MLB writers who give one Hall of Fame vote to a good player who makes a token appearance on the ballet and will only ever receive one vote. They might not even legit be in my Top 25 but I wanted to give them a bit of recognition.
I'm almost tempted to go the opposite direction. Some of the legends that deserve recognition are probably going to be on enough other people's lists that they don't need to be on mine.
Don't be so sure. I am a little dismayed so far by how many legendary singers are either being left off lists or placed pretty low. I'd rather people just list their favorites rather than trying to list ones you think won't get enough love or not listing a favorite you think will get enough love already. That sort of defeats the purpose of doing this. People can list whoever they want as their favorites obviously, but if you aren't listing your actual 25 favorite singers, you are doing wrong. :P
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If someone is in my say, top 10, I'm not going to kick them out just because I suspect other people are likely to have them. But if they're at the back end of the list, the distinctions between each are pretty granular, and whether they're #24 or #25 or #26 is ultimately pretty arbitrary. My current #25 is someone that "should" be on such a list, but do I really prefer them over my honorable mentions list, a lot of whom aren't as well known? Hard to say.
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A few of mine I added feeling like those MLB writers who give one Hall of Fame vote to a good player who makes a token appearance on the ballet and will only ever receive one vote. They might not even legit be in my Top 25 but I wanted to give them a bit of recognition.
I'm almost tempted to go the opposite direction. Some of the legends that deserve recognition are probably going to be on enough other people's lists that they don't need to be on mine.
Don't be so sure. I am a little dismayed so far by how many legendary singers are either being left off lists or placed pretty low. I'd rather people just list their favorites rather than trying to list ones you think won't get enough love or not listing a favorite you think will get enough love already. That sort of defeats the purpose of doing this. People can list whoever they want as their favorites obviously, but if you aren't listing your actual 25 favorite singers, you are doing wrong. :P
Well that is right. It should be everyone's favourites and not a 'universal best' list. So called 'legends' only need to be on your list if they are one of your top 25 favourites. I don't feel compelled at all to put Aretha Franklin or Stevie Wonder on my list just because they are amazing singers. They are nowhere near a top 25 list of my favourite singers.
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A few of mine I added feeling like those MLB writers who give one Hall of Fame vote to a good player who makes a token appearance on the ballet and will only ever receive one vote. They might not even legit be in my Top 25 but I wanted to give them a bit of recognition.
I'm almost tempted to go the opposite direction. Some of the legends that deserve recognition are probably going to be on enough other people's lists that they don't need to be on mine.
Thought of that too, but continuing my example, I don't want to be the guy who doesn't vote for Ken Griffey Jr or Randy Johnson to make the MLB HoF because I don't want anyone to get 100% of the votes.
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Sent my list and neither Griffy or Johnson were on it.
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My list is purely based on my personal favorites with zero consideration for notoriety, legendary status, etc.
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My list is purely based on my personal favorites with zero consideration for notoriety, legendary status, etc.
Same here.
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My list is purely based on my personal favorites with zero consideration for notoriety, legendary status, etc.
Same here.
Yep definitely the same here.
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I have a feeling that there's going to be so much diversity between the lists that maybe the top 10 will be on 75% of the lists, but 11-25 could be just about anyone and will be nearly impossible to predict.
My list is purely based on my personal favorites with zero consideration for notoriety, legendary status, etc.
This only came into play with my #25. By the ranker, it was someone for whom I'd almost certainly be the only voter, so I switched that person out for someone who'd be more likely to get votes from others.
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I figure there will be maybe 5-10 who appear on multiple lists, and then the rest will be everyone’s number 1 with 25 points.
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I'm just really curious to see how the list will turn out. Should be fun to see it no matter what.
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I am a little dismayed so far by how many legendary singers are either being left off lists or placed pretty low.
If this winds up just people ranking the singers of their favorite prog, rock, and metal bands, I can't lie, I'm going to be a little bit sad.
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I am a little dismayed so far by how many legendary singers are either being left off lists or placed pretty low.
If this winds up just people ranking the singers of their favorite prog, rock, and metal bands, I can't lie, I'm going to be a little bit sad.
Why? Other people’s favorites will make you sad?
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I am a little dismayed so far by how many legendary singers are either being left off lists or placed pretty low.
If this winds up just people ranking the singers of their favorite prog, rock, and metal bands, I can't lie, I'm going to be a little bit sad.
Why? Other people’s favorites will make you sad?
Why are you asking?
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Just asking that’s all. Is it a secret? ;D
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This list is going to be wild! It may break DTF :corn
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Sent my list. Pretty hard to do besides the top 5 or so.
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I think a list of everyone’s subjective favorites will ultimately be more interesting than everyone trying to guess at some objective greatest vocalists list. I think the full list (outside just the top 25) will be a lot of fun to see.
I haven’t turned in my list yet, but I think I’m set on the top 25 (and mostly set on the order). I spent some time this weekend putting a playlist together of one standout performance for each singer, and it was a lot of fun to listen to. May even share a Spotify playlist when this is all done if anyone is interested.
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I am a little dismayed so far by how many legendary singers are either being left off lists or placed pretty low.
If this winds up just people ranking the singers of their favorite prog, rock, and metal bands, I can't lie, I'm going to be a little bit sad.
Everyone is bound to have some recency bias, and given that this is a board is centered around a prog-metal band, it wouldn't be surprising if prog and metal singers are represented the most. I mean, hit me up with this list 30 years ago, and I might've been including Annie Lennox and Simon Le Bon. Not so much in 2022. For the most part, Prog and metal has dominated my listening habits for 20-ish years, so naturally those vocalists are going to be my "favorites"
My first iteration of my "must have" names was 34 people. Need to figure out who's gonna get downgraded to the "just missed" list.
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I'm just hoping that the top 10 aren't all prog/rock/metal singers.
My number one will not be (and if he's not on at least half the lists, I'm calling BULL SHIT right now, because I know for a fact that he was the primary influence of at least three guys that will undoubtedly be on most or all of the lists, and at least four or five that may well be on a number of lists). And another will be in the top 10 or 15 that isn't prog/rock/metal.
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I am a little dismayed so far by how many legendary singers are either being left off lists or placed pretty low.
If this winds up just people ranking the singers of their favorite prog, rock, and metal bands, I can't lie, I'm going to be a little bit sad.
Everyone is bound to have some recency bias, and given that this is a board is centered around a prog-metal band, it wouldn't be surprising if prog and metal singers are represented the most. I mean, hit me up with this list 30 years ago, and I might've been including Annie Lennox and Simon Le Bon. Not so much in 2022. For the most part, Prog and metal has dominated my listening habits for 20-ish years, so naturally those vocalists are going to be my "favorites"
My first iteration of my "must have" names was 34 people. Need to figure out who's gonna get downgraded to the "just missed" list.
Yeah... being a metal fan, I just don't know or could really list many singers outside the genre as my favorites, not that those others aren't worthy, I just can't possibly name people I don't actually listen to.
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Someone is on my list based on one film/stage performance, and everything positive I've read about his character.
Bradley Cooper made your list?
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I'm just hoping that the top 10 aren't all prog/rock/metal singers.
My number one will not be (and if he's not on at least half the lists, I'm calling BULL SHIT right now, because I know for a fact that he was the primary influence of at least three guys that will undoubtedly be on most or all of the lists, and at least four or five that may well be on a number of lists). And another will be in the top 10 or 15 that isn't prog/rock/metal.
But did you list that person's main influence? :biggrin:
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I am a little dismayed so far by how many legendary singers are either being left off lists or placed pretty low.
If this winds up just people ranking the singers of their favorite prog, rock, and metal bands, I can't lie, I'm going to be a little bit sad.
I will be, too. My number one; I don't really care for a lot of his music, but when I hear him SING, his voice, it's like velvet and ice cream and a warm bath all wrapped up in one. As much as I love Gene Simmons, and how he sings, I feel like I have no credibility in putting him ahead of my number one. Geddy Lee comes in that group as well; yes, Rush is PHENOMENAL, but I don't see a lot of posts in the Rush thread - or in the Rush countdown - where people were saying "wow, that Geddy Lee, his voice is like molten sugar!" His voice is at best polarizing and that can't be ignored because we love them or the band came to a sad but glorious end.
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I'm just hoping that the top 10 aren't all prog/rock/metal singers.
My number one will not be (and if he's not on at least half the lists, I'm calling BULL SHIT right now, because I know for a fact that he was the primary influence of at least three guys that will undoubtedly be on most or all of the lists, and at least four or five that may well be on a number of lists). And another will be in the top 10 or 15 that isn't prog/rock/metal.
That a singer influenced someone else played ZERO role in my rankings. Rob Halford was influenced by Little Richard and Elvis Presley, and Ronnie Dio was influenced by Mario Lanza, but none of them would get any consideration from me no matter how large the list.
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I'm just hoping that the top 10 aren't all prog/rock/metal singers.
My number one will not be (and if he's not on at least half the lists, I'm calling BULL SHIT right now, because I know for a fact that he was the primary influence of at least three guys that will undoubtedly be on most or all of the lists, and at least four or five that may well be on a number of lists). And another will be in the top 10 or 15 that isn't prog/rock/metal.
That a singer influenced someone else played ZERO role in my rankings. Rob Halford was influenced by Little Richard and Elvis Presley, and Ronnie Dio was influenced by Mario Lanza, but none of them would get any consideration from me no matter how large the list.
This is to Adami, too: I don't mean he should be on there because he was an influence, I'm saying that his presence and his talent is unequivocal, and that is, in part, evidenced by how he's influenced. And when you look at the people we're talking about, they carry so much of him in their styles, it seems disingenuous to say "I like x, who copied y almost exactly, but I don't like y."
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Stadler, can you just come out and say who this vocalist is?
I am a little dismayed so far by how many legendary singers are either being left off lists or placed pretty low.
If this winds up just people ranking the singers of their favorite prog, rock, and metal bands, I can't lie, I'm going to be a little bit sad.
I will be, too. My number one; I don't really care for a lot of his music, but when I hear him SING, his voice, it's like velvet and ice cream and a warm bath all wrapped up in one. As much as I love Gene Simmons, and how he sings, I feel like I have no credibility in putting him ahead of my number one. Geddy Lee comes in that group as well; yes, Rush is PHENOMENAL, but I don't see a lot of posts in the Rush thread - or in the Rush countdown - where people were saying "wow, that Geddy Lee, his voice is like molten sugar!" His voice is at best polarizing and that can't be ignored because we love them or the band came to a sad but glorious end.
There's this weird notion that if you like the band, you like the singer, or if you like the singer, you like their music. I understand that sometimes it's hard to disentangle things, but it can be done. I love 90s and early 00s In Flames, but Anders Friden isn't coming within 10,000 miles of my list. Conversely, I think Kelly Clarkson is a phenomenal vocalist (though she still probably won't even make my honorable mentions), but her music is mostly just ok, and would be nowhere near any of my greatest albums lists.
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@Mystadsfromanotherdads, Well without knowing who you're talking about, it's hard to comment.
I'd call James Hetfield one of the most influential metal guitarists of all time, and on top of that his body is work makes him one of the greatest. But I'm sure James would tell you his greatest influences who may have also influenced many other people of James' generation. But that alone doesn't matter much. It's a confluence of factors.
If you're talking about someone who not ONLY influenced lots of people, but also has an amazing body of work that speaks for itself, sure.
Also I, and many others, are basing this off who we just enjoy listening to the most. Significance culturally didn't play any sort of role. Like I said, I have one person who likely has never been heard by anyone here and has two albums I can find, but they made my list. While Elvis or Robert Plant did not make my list (Spoilers) even if I enjoy them and they are SO much more significant than anyone else on my list.
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My number one will not be (and if he's not on at least half the lists, I'm calling BULL SHIT right now, because I know for a fact that he was the primary influence of at least three guys that will undoubtedly be on most or all of the lists, and at least four or five that may well be on a number of lists). And another will be in the top 10 or 15 that isn't prog/rock/metal.
I don't know. Do I listen to this person you're talking about? I'm voting for my favorites, not who I deem the most influential. If I don't listen to this person's music, they ain't making my list.
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Stadler, can you just come out and say who this vocalist is?
I am a little dismayed so far by how many legendary singers are either being left off lists or placed pretty low.
If this winds up just people ranking the singers of their favorite prog, rock, and metal bands, I can't lie, I'm going to be a little bit sad.
I will be, too. My number one; I don't really care for a lot of his music, but when I hear him SING, his voice, it's like velvet and ice cream and a warm bath all wrapped up in one. As much as I love Gene Simmons, and how he sings, I feel like I have no credibility in putting him ahead of my number one. Geddy Lee comes in that group as well; yes, Rush is PHENOMENAL, but I don't see a lot of posts in the Rush thread - or in the Rush countdown - where people were saying "wow, that Geddy Lee, his voice is like molten sugar!" His voice is at best polarizing and that can't be ignored because we love them or the band came to a sad but glorious end.
There's this weird notion that if you like the band, you like the singer, or if you like the singer, you like their music. I understand that sometimes it's hard to disentangle things, but it can be done. I love 90s and early 00s In Flames, but Anders Friden isn't coming within 10,000 miles of my list. Conversely, I think Kelly Clarkson is a phenomenal vocalist (though she still probably won't even make my honorable mentions), but her music is mostly just ok, and would be nowhere near any of my greatest albums lists.
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@Mystadsfromanotherdads, Well without knowing who you're talking about, it's hard to comment.
True, but....
And when you look at the people we're talking about, they carry so much of him in their styles, it seems disingenuous to say "I like x, who copied y almost exactly, but I don't like y."
I mean...Geddy Lee was influenced by Chris Squire, and I love both. But Geddy was also HEAVILY influenced by Jack Bruce, and I couldn't care less about Bruce. James Hetfield was influenced by Phil Lynott. I really like Hetfield but don't like Lynott at all (sorry, Tim).
I guess we'll see when we we find out whom you're talking about.
As far as the correlation between liking the band and liking the vocalist, there are ZERO bands I like where I don't like the vocalist. And, while there are singers I find impressive but don't like their bands, if I don't like the music that a singer is making, he/she isn't going on my list. Likewise, Colm Wilkinson, Philip Quast and Lea Salonga didn't make my list even though they are quintessential performers from my all-time favorite musical, because I don't listen to that sort of music often enough for me to consider them favorites.
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Geddy is certainly one of the tougher cases for me. He’s moved around quite a bit in my drafts in part because there is a decent chunk of his career where I do dislike his style. But from about 1980-2000 (including My Favorite Headache), I do think he had a wonderful and unique singing voice that is a big part of why I love Rush. That’s a much longer peak than a lot of the other singers who are firmly on my list.
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James Hetfield was influenced by Phil Lynott. I really like Hetfield but don't like Lynott at all (sorry, Tim).
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My list is shaping up to be so boring, generic and uninteresting. I hate it.
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So far, there have been three lists where I had to look up who the person was at number 1 since I had never heard of them. :lol :lol
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Ha! That is great! You will have absolutely no problem recognising my number 1. A bit like Wolfking my list is very boring and pretty predictable (to me anyway) but it is what it is. I think I have mulled over it enough and will submit soon.
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So far, there have been three lists where I had to look up who the person was at number 1 since I had never heard of them. :lol :lol
Fairly confident you’ll have to do some work for some of mine.
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I think half of everyone's list is going to be unknown to everyone else.
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I think half of everyone's list is going to be unknown to everyone else.
Yep. This is me when seeing about half the names on the average list:
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I don't know if this is just an indication of an initial ranking being inaccurate, an inevitable consequence of how close together everyone is bunched up, or just a fresh listen boosting them to a higher level (at least temporarily), but I've been binging a bit on one of them and they've moved up almost 10 spots. I worry this could happen to quite a number of them.
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I don't know if this is just an indication of an initial ranking being inaccurate, an inevitable consequence of how close together everyone is bunched up, or just a fresh listen boosting them to a higher level (at least temporarily), but I've been binging a bit on one of them and they've moved up almost 10 spots. I worry this could happen to quite a number of them.
Just binge on the other 9-10 singers and the ranking will come back to where you started.
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I don't know if this is just an indication of an initial ranking being inaccurate, an inevitable consequence of how close together everyone is bunched up, or just a fresh listen boosting them to a higher level (at least temporarily), but I've been binging a bit on one of them and they've moved up almost 10 spots. I worry this could happen to quite a number of them.
Just binge on the other 9-10 singers and the ranking will come back to where you started.
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I guess I'll have to send my psychotherapist's bill to Kev, since he made me addicted to this kind of shi... :lol
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I guess I'll have to send my psychotherapist's bill to Kev, since he made me addicted to this kind of shi... :lol
Close your eyes and begin to relax.
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I guess I'll have to send my psychotherapist's bill to Kev, since he made me addicted to this kind of shi... :lol
Close your eyes and begin to relax.
:rollin
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I guess I'll have to send my psychotherapist's bill to Kev, since he made me addicted to this kind of shi... :lol
Close your eyes and begin to relax.
He sounds more like a proctologist, really.
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I guess I'll have to send my psychotherapist's bill to Kev, since he made me addicted to this kind of shi... :lol
Close your eyes and begin to relax.
He sounds more like a proctologist, really.
"Ah! Ah! You using the whole fist, doc?"
-Irwin Fletcher
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"Moon River"
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"Moon River"
"Ya ever done time in prison, doc?"
"Million to one shot doc .... million to one."
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@Mystadsfromanotherdads, Well without knowing who you're talking about, it's hard to comment.
I'd call James Hetfield one of the most influential metal guitarists of all time, and on top of that his body is work makes him one of the greatest. But I'm sure James would tell you his greatest influences who may have also influenced many other people of James' generation. But that alone doesn't matter much. It's a confluence of factors.
If you're talking about someone who not ONLY influenced lots of people, but also has an amazing body of work that speaks for itself, sure.
Also I, and many others, are basing this off who we just enjoy listening to the most. Significance culturally didn't play any sort of role. Like I said, I have one person who likely has never been heard by anyone here and has two albums I can find, but they made my list. While Elvis or Robert Plant did not make my list (Spoilers) even if I enjoy them and they are SO much more significant than anyone else on my list.
I call BULLSHIT.
You know to whom I'm referring. :) :) :) :) :) :):) :) :)
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@Mystadsfromanotherdads, Well without knowing who you're talking about, it's hard to comment.
I'd call James Hetfield one of the most influential metal guitarists of all time, and on top of that his body is work makes him one of the greatest. But I'm sure James would tell you his greatest influences who may have also influenced many other people of James' generation. But that alone doesn't matter much. It's a confluence of factors.
If you're talking about someone who not ONLY influenced lots of people, but also has an amazing body of work that speaks for itself, sure.
Also I, and many others, are basing this off who we just enjoy listening to the most. Significance culturally didn't play any sort of role. Like I said, I have one person who likely has never been heard by anyone here and has two albums I can find, but they made my list. While Elvis or Robert Plant did not make my list (Spoilers) even if I enjoy them and they are SO much more significant than anyone else on my list.
I call BULLSHIT.
And I call BULLSHIT on your BULLSHIT. If we were to do a top 25 favorite drummers, I've no doubt who would be #1. But would Hal Blaine be on anyone's list? Gene Krupa? Buddy Rich?
Same applies to vocalists. Influenced a bunch of greats? Cool... but that doesn't mean they *should* be on everyone's list of favorites because of their influence.
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@Mystadsfromanotherdads, Well without knowing who you're talking about, it's hard to comment.
I'd call James Hetfield one of the most influential metal guitarists of all time, and on top of that his body is work makes him one of the greatest. But I'm sure James would tell you his greatest influences who may have also influenced many other people of James' generation. But that alone doesn't matter much. It's a confluence of factors.
If you're talking about someone who not ONLY influenced lots of people, but also has an amazing body of work that speaks for itself, sure.
Also I, and many others, are basing this off who we just enjoy listening to the most. Significance culturally didn't play any sort of role. Like I said, I have one person who likely has never been heard by anyone here and has two albums I can find, but they made my list. While Elvis or Robert Plant did not make my list (Spoilers) even if I enjoy them and they are SO much more significant than anyone else on my list.
I call BULLSHIT.
And I call BULLSHIT on your BULLSHIT. If we were to do a top 25 favorite drummers, I've no doubt who would be #1. But would Hal Blaine be on anyone's list? Gene Krupa? Buddy Rich?
Same applies to vocalists. Influenced a bunch of greats? Cool... but that doesn't mean they *should* be on everyone's list of favorites because of their influence.
What is it with the sense of humor around here. The ten smiley's didn't give it away that I was poking at Adami? Or are you going to bust my balls because it's only nine?
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@Mystadsfromanotherdads, Well without knowing who you're talking about, it's hard to comment.
I'd call James Hetfield one of the most influential metal guitarists of all time, and on top of that his body is work makes him one of the greatest. But I'm sure James would tell you his greatest influences who may have also influenced many other people of James' generation. But that alone doesn't matter much. It's a confluence of factors.
If you're talking about someone who not ONLY influenced lots of people, but also has an amazing body of work that speaks for itself, sure.
Also I, and many others, are basing this off who we just enjoy listening to the most. Significance culturally didn't play any sort of role. Like I said, I have one person who likely has never been heard by anyone here and has two albums I can find, but they made my list. While Elvis or Robert Plant did not make my list (Spoilers) even if I enjoy them and they are SO much more significant than anyone else on my list.
I call BULLSHIT.
And I call BULLSHIT on your BULLSHIT. If we were to do a top 25 favorite drummers, I've no doubt who would be #1. But would Hal Blaine be on anyone's list? Gene Krupa? Buddy Rich?
Same applies to vocalists. Influenced a bunch of greats? Cool... but that doesn't mean they *should* be on everyone's list of favorites because of their influence.
FYI, Krupa and Rich would for sure be on my list lol
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Sometimes I get your sense of humor, Bill, but this isn't one of those times. It just seems like you're being overly difficult and trying to force people to agree with an opinion most of us don't agree with, AND being difficult in repeatedly dodging the question of who you are referring to that is apparently such a self-evidence choice that he/she had better be on everyone's list.
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Sometimes I get your sense of humor, Bill, but this isn't one of those times. It just seems like you're being overly difficult and trying to force people to agree with an opinion most of us don't agree with, AND being difficult in repeatedly dodging the question of who you are referring to that is apparently such a self-evidence choice that he/she had better be on everyone's list.
Fair enough; I get it. It truly IS meant in fun, but I get it. As for not naming names; that was out of respect for Kev and the list; I even thought I went too far with my hints replying to Adami's post (he mentioned him). But if that's part of the problem here, it's Elvis Presley. Two of arguably the greatest rock acts in history - The Beatles and Zeppelin - both showed deep deference to the talent of the King, almost treating him like actual royalty when they met. So much of both Robert Plant and Freddie Mercury (two of the three I mentioned who are likely to show up here) is owed to early Elvis, it's almost criminal.
John Lennon: "Before Elvis, there was nothing."
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Sometimes I get your sense of humor, Bill, but this isn't one of those times. It just seems like you're being overly difficult and trying to force people to agree with an opinion most of us don't agree with, AND being difficult in repeatedly dodging the question of who you are referring to that is apparently such a self-evidence choice that he/she had better be on everyone's list.
Fair enough; I get it. It truly IS meant in fun, but I get it. As for not naming names; that was out of respect for Kev and the list; I even thought I went too far with my hints replying to Adami's post (he mentioned him). But if that's part of the problem here, it's Elvis Presley. Two of arguably the greatest rock acts in history - The Beatles and Zeppelin - both showed deep deference to the talent of the King, almost treating him like actual royalty when they met. So much of both Robert Plant and Freddie Mercury (two of the three I mentioned who are likely to show up here) is owed to early Elvis, it's almost criminal.
John Lennon: "Before Elvis, there was nothing."
A few of the singers on my list have a pretty clear resemblance to Elvis. But I don’t own a single Elvis song even, so there’s no way I could call him one of my favorite singers, even if I agree he was a great and influential singer.
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Sometimes I get your sense of humor, Bill, but this isn't one of those times. It just seems like you're being overly difficult and trying to force people to agree with an opinion most of us don't agree with, AND being difficult in repeatedly dodging the question of who you are referring to that is apparently such a self-evidence choice that he/she had better be on everyone's list.
Fair enough; I get it. It truly IS meant in fun, but I get it. As for not naming names; that was out of respect for Kev and the list; I even thought I went too far with my hints replying to Adami's post (he mentioned him). But if that's part of the problem here, it's Elvis Presley. Two of arguably the greatest rock acts in history - The Beatles and Zeppelin - both showed deep deference to the talent of the King, almost treating him like actual royalty when they met. So much of both Robert Plant and Freddie Mercury (two of the three I mentioned who are likely to show up here) is owed to early Elvis, it's almost criminal.
John Lennon: "Before Elvis, there was nothing."
Elvis made my list.
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John Lennon: "Before Elvis, there was nothing."
Now that's some bullshit.
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Elvis is HIGH on my list. Seriously, if you haven't heard that man sing you need to remedy that. Especially the 60s and 70s stuff.
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Is it possible to have not heard him if you're over 20?
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I have definitely heard Elvis if there is any question about that.
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I've heard him, but he didn't make my list. I respect his influence and his ability, but he is not even remotely a "favorite" of mine. I do remember exactly where I was when he died. I was 7 years old and was at Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk (if you haven't been, but have either seen The Lost Boys or have been to Disney California Adventure, you know what it is). I had heard him before, so I knew vaguely who he was, but music wasn't something that had really registered with me as a big thing at that age. Some other kids at the Boardwalk were talking about the fact that he just died, and the significance was totally lost on me at the time. I think I so distinctly remember it because the fact that the event failing to make an impression on me when it was clearly significant to others made a bigger impression on me than the event of his death itself did.
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I've heard him, but he didn't make my list. I respect his influence and his ability, but he is not even remotely a "favorite" of mine. I do remember exactly where I was when he died. I was 7 years old and was at Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk (if you haven't been, but have either seen The Lost Boys or have been to Disney California Adventure, you know what it is). I had heard him before, so I knew vaguely who he was, but music wasn't something that had really registered with me as a big thing at that age. Some other kids at the Boardwalk were talking about the fact that he just died, and the significance was totally lost on me at the time.
I took a solo road trip up the California coast back in 1990 or 1991 and spent a night in Santa Cruz and went to the boardwalk and thought, "this looks a LOT like The Lost Boys. Wonder if they filmed it here."
I have zero recollection of Elvis's death. No one in my family was a fan, so I probably heard about it a few weeks after the fact via jokes on the 5th grade playground.
So...now we go back to the notion that it's bullshit to have included Plant and Mercury but not Presley. Let's start with the premise that this is a poll about FAVORITE singers. I can respect Presley and think he sang well without enjoying the music he released. Right? And, for the most part, the music of Queen and Led Zeppelin wasn't anything like Presley's music. Right? I own a bunch of Zeppelin and Queen albums, but I do not now own, never have owned, and almost certainly never will own anything by Presley. I don't have any interest in his music and, thus, he's not a FAVORITE even though singers whom he influenced are. Why is that bullshit?
Also, why stop at Presley? Do we also have to include Sister Rosetta Tharpe and Jimmie Rodgers, both of whom influenced Presley? And what about their influences? As Litho noted, Lennon's statement was some serious bullshit.
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I remember Elvis dying as well, but the reason it made a big impact on me at the time was the impact it made on my parents. I was too young then to know anything about music.
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I absolutely remember when Elvis died, and remember exactly what we were doing.
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I have very vague memories of Elvis dying. Similar to Hef, my Mum is a huge fan so I can kind of remember her being very upset and shocked at the time it happened which is what my memory is based on. Elvis though has had zero influence on my musical journey so has no chance making my top 25. To be honest if he does appear in the overall top 25 list I will be very surprised.
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Elvis .... has no chance making my top 25.
This.
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I've heard him, but he didn't make my list. I respect his influence and his ability, but he is not even remotely a "favorite" of mine. I do remember exactly where I was when he died. I was 7 years old and was at Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk (if you haven't been, but have either seen The Lost Boys or have been to Disney California Adventure, you know what it is). I had heard him before, so I knew vaguely who he was, but music wasn't something that had really registered with me as a big thing at that age. Some other kids at the Boardwalk were talking about the fact that he just died, and the significance was totally lost on me at the time.
I took a solo road trip up the California coast back in 1990 or 1991 and spent a night in Santa Cruz and went to the boardwalk and thought, "this looks a LOT like The Lost Boys. Wonder if they filmed it here."
I have zero recollection of Elvis's death. No one in my family was a fan, so I probably heard about it a few weeks after the fact via jokes on the 5th grade playground.
So...now we go back to the notion that it's bullshit to have included Plant and Mercury but not Presley. Let's start with the premise that this is a poll about FAVORITE singers. I can respect Presley and think he sang well without enjoying the music he released. Right? And, for the most part, the music of Queen and Led Zeppelin wasn't anything like Presley's music. Right? I own a bunch of Zeppelin and Queen albums, but I do not now own, never have owned, and almost certainly never will own anything by Presley. I don't have any interest in his music and, thus, he's not a FAVORITE even though singers whom he influenced are. Why is that bullshit?
Also, why stop at Presley? Do we also have to include Sister Rosetta Tharpe and Jimmie Rodgers, both of whom influenced Presley? And what about their influences? As Litho noted, Lennon's statement was some serious bullshit.
Both Brian May and Jimmy Page have spoken highly of Scotty Moore, Elvis' first guitarist, and on many occasions Page has listed him as his "greatest" influence on electric guitar (https://metalheadzone.com/led-zeppelins-jimmy-page-reveals-an-unseen-photo-of-elvis-presley/). Songs like "I'm Gonna Crawl" and "All My Love" cop licks directly from Moore. I can't find the quote but Page has often cited one particular lick by Moore as being particularly essential to his development as a player.
I'm not saying ALL influences; that's silly. But I think Elvis was more than just "an influence"; I think he was one of those singular players - like Hendrix - that indelibly changed everything that came after. We know him now as the caricature singing "Hunk a hunk a burnin' love" or some stuff, but something like the live "American Trilogy", or the live "Unchained Melody"... epic.
As an aside, I was in Nashville in July, and we went to the legendary RCA Studio where Elvis recorded a number of his bigger singles. They turned the lights down - supposedly as Elvis would do - and played the isolated vocal of Simon & Garfunkel's "Bridge Over Troubled Water" and it was life changing. Even my wife - who is fairly set in what she likes and doesn't like - turned and said "that was something else entirely".
I write all this as a fan; I'm not looking to convince anyone of anything. You have your tastes and I respect that. I regret the "bullshit" comment; I thought I was being funny and part of a bigger conversation and it fell flat. I'm sorry for that. But while I grew up with a mom that idolized him (my mom and dad saw him I think seven times total, four times in Vegas and one time in Hawaii) I have come to really appreciate this guy's talent, reach and influence.
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Elvis though has had zero influence on my musical journey so has no chance making my top 25.
Then he SHOULDN'T make your top 25.
But he made mine.
I will be shocked if he makes the final list.
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Stadler - totally respect all your posts but it feels like you are arguing Elvis in terms of a 'greatest singer of all time' list and not a 'favourite of DTF posters' list. They are two very different things.
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As an aside, I was in Nashville in July, and we went to the legendary RCA Studio where Elvis recorded a number of his bigger singles. They turned the lights down - supposedly as Elvis would do - and played the isolated vocal of Simon & Garfunkel's "Bridge Over Troubled Water" and it was life changing. Even my wife - who is fairly set in what she likes and doesn't like - turned and said "that was something else entirely".
That must have been awesome to hear!
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Stadler - totally respect all your posts but it feels like you are arguing Elvis in terms of a 'greatest singer of all time' list and not a 'favourite of DTF posters' list. They are two very different things.
Maybe; but I'm far more respectful of what people like and don't like than this series of posts implies. I don't think we CHOOSE what we like; I think it just happens, and I respect that in others. It's just fun to talk about. But I will say this: I think I have a more... historical look at music than most people. I feel a sort of obligation to be aware of that which came before. I'm a fan of Mike; he's often cited Keith Moon as an influence; I felt sort of obligated to KNOW - not LIKE - Moon and what Mike might have taken from him (I had never heard "Tommy" until I heard Mike talking about it). I'm infatuated with Freddie Mercury. He AMAZES me what he can do vocally. I want to know where that came from. I think more than anything I'm not shocked that Elvis isn't a favorite, but that so many have never even HEARD him sing, or are oblivious to just how much of a dominant figure he is in rock history.
I'm not going to lose a minute's sleep if he's not on anyone else's list. I'm really not. But I might keep beating the drum in case anyone hears something that may make them interested in checking him out.
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Stadler - totally respect all your posts but it feels like you are arguing Elvis in terms of a 'greatest singer of all time' list and not a 'favourite of DTF posters' list. They are two very different things.
Yup and if this were a greatest list, I probably wouldn't of participated as I'm not sure I can really make a list of greatest. It's just too big when you consider all genres. I'm sure Elvis would be on there, but I also think it would be filled with singers I don't really listen to (including Elvis).
Michael Jackson made my list :lol hey, I like his music and singing! But also, for my favorites, after 10 (where MJ lands), it's just a muddy pack of lots of great singers but the ordering isn't terribly meaningful for me. A have a core group of favorites and many many more that I love since there's not a ton of bands I like that I don't like the singer.
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As an aside, I was in Nashville in July, and we went to the legendary RCA Studio where Elvis recorded a number of his bigger singles. They turned the lights down - supposedly as Elvis would do - and played the isolated vocal of Simon & Garfunkel's "Bridge Over Troubled Water" and it was life changing. Even my wife - who is fairly set in what she likes and doesn't like - turned and said "that was something else entirely".
That must have been awesome to hear!
Honestly? It was breathtaking. Really, really amazing, to hear the timbre of his voice, the breathing, the note choice... like I said, my wife appreciates music but not to the level that a pack of nerds at a prog-metal band's forum does and even she was moved.
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As an aside, I was in Nashville in July, and we went to the legendary RCA Studio where Elvis recorded a number of his bigger singles. They turned the lights down - supposedly as Elvis would do - and played the isolated vocal of Simon & Garfunkel's "Bridge Over Troubled Water" and it was life changing. Even my wife - who is fairly set in what she likes and doesn't like - turned and said "that was something else entirely".
That must have been awesome to hear!
Honestly? It was breathtaking. Really, really amazing, to hear the timbre of his voice, the breathing, the note choice... like I said, my wife appreciates music but not to the level that a pack of nerds at a prog-metal band's forum does and even she was moved.
I had an experience with that song a couple years back on or around Christmas, dark living room aside from the Christmas lights, sound up on the speakers, and just letting it roll over me. I won’t pretend Art Garfunkel is one of my favorite singers, but that is an all time great recorded vocal performance.
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Michael Jackson made my list :lol hey, I like his music and singing!
I get that. He almost made mine too. The only reason he ultimately didn't is that, while he was an amazing singer, frontman, and entertainer in general, he doesn't quite make my top 25 as a "favorite singer."
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Stadler - totally respect all your posts but it feels like you are arguing Elvis in terms of a 'greatest singer of all time' list and not a 'favourite of DTF posters' list. They are two very different things.
Yup and if this were a greatest list, I probably wouldn't of participated as I'm not sure I can really make a list of greatest. It's just too big when you consider all genres. I'm sure Elvis would be on there, but I also think it would be filled with singers I don't really listen to (including Elvis).
Michael Jackson made my list :lol hey, I like his music and singing! But also, for my favorites, after 10 (where MJ lands), it's just a muddy pack of lots of great singers but the ordering isn't terribly meaningful for me. A have a core group of favorites and many many more that I love since there's not a ton of bands I like that I don't like the singer.
He won't likely be on mine, but I get that choice and I love that you made it.
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As an aside, I was in Nashville in July, and we went to the legendary RCA Studio where Elvis recorded a number of his bigger singles. They turned the lights down - supposedly as Elvis would do - and played the isolated vocal of Simon & Garfunkel's "Bridge Over Troubled Water" and it was life changing. Even my wife - who is fairly set in what she likes and doesn't like - turned and said "that was something else entirely".
That must have been awesome to hear!
Honestly? It was breathtaking.
Well...yeah...Art Garfunkel was a really good singer.
Seriously, though, it's a studio where Elvis recorded and they play a Simon & Garfunkel song? Why not play an Elvis song?
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My dad played Elvis non-stop when I was a kid, just like my parents were always watching MASH or I Love Lucy.
Mad respect to all, but suffice it to say, I am good never hearing the voices of Elvis, Lucille Ball and Alan Alda ever again.
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Stadler - totally respect all your posts but it feels like you are arguing Elvis in terms of a 'greatest singer of all time' list and not a 'favourite of DTF posters' list. They are two very different things.
But I will say this: I think I have a more... historical look at music than most people. I feel a sort of obligation to be aware of that which came before. I'm a fan of Mike; he's often cited Keith Moon as an influence; I felt sort of obligated to KNOW - not LIKE - Moon and what Mike might have taken from him (I had never heard "Tommy" until I heard Mike talking about it). I'm infatuated with Freddie Mercury. He AMAZES me what he can do vocally. I want to know where that came from. I think more than anything I'm not shocked that Elvis isn't a favorite, but that so many have never even HEARD him sing, or are oblivious to just how much of a dominant figure he is in rock history.
I am totally down for tracing the lineages of music. Very little happens in a vacuum, there's almost always some precedent for anything that seems different. I also often feel that novelty is overrated, a lot of times people considered "innovative" just have a more obscure set of influences than you're used to, but if you were more familiar with their influences you'd realize they're just piecing them together like most any other artist does. And some are better at hiding their influences than others. But studying music history and evolution still only has marginal shifts on my actual taste.
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As an aside, I was in Nashville in July, and we went to the legendary RCA Studio where Elvis recorded a number of his bigger singles. They turned the lights down - supposedly as Elvis would do - and played the isolated vocal of Simon & Garfunkel's "Bridge Over Troubled Water" and it was life changing. Even my wife - who is fairly set in what she likes and doesn't like - turned and said "that was something else entirely".
That must have been awesome to hear!
Honestly? It was breathtaking.
Well...yeah...Art Garfunkel was a really good singer.
Seriously, though, it's a studio where Elvis recorded and they play a Simon & Garfunkel song? Why not play an Elvis song?
I mean, it wasn't Elvis's personal studio, and he wasn't the only person to record there. Far from it.
I'm sure that from a technical singing aspect, and quality of recording point, the Simon & Garfunkel track was a superior listening experience for that effect than anything from Elvis.
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As an aside, I was in Nashville in July, and we went to the legendary RCA Studio where Elvis recorded a number of his bigger singles. They turned the lights down - supposedly as Elvis would do - and played the isolated vocal of Simon & Garfunkel's "Bridge Over Troubled Water" and it was life changing. Even my wife - who is fairly set in what she likes and doesn't like - turned and said "that was something else entirely".
That must have been awesome to hear!
Honestly? It was breathtaking.
Well...yeah...Art Garfunkel was a really good singer.
Seriously, though, it's a studio where Elvis recorded and they play a Simon & Garfunkel song? Why not play an Elvis song?
I mean, it wasn't Elvis's personal studio, and he wasn't the only person to record there. Far from it.
I'm sure that from a technical singing aspect, and quality of recording point, the Simon & Garfunkel track was a superior listening experience for that effect than anything from Elvis.
I think maybe you guys are misunderstanding me. It was ELVIS singing "Bridge Over Troubled Water". It was ELVIS'S isolated vocal. And that made perfect sense, because there really ISN'T an "Elvis song" per se, not in the way there is a "Neal Morse" song, written by him, or a "David Lee Roth" song where he wrote the lyrics and melody. Elvis has, I think, three writing credits in his entire career and all were deals where he would get half the publishing, and the writer would have the privilege of Elvis singing his/her song. Dolly Parton famously tells the story of being called and told that Elvis wants to sing "I Will Always Love You" and would she just sign away half the publishing in return and she refused (https://www.insider.com/dolly-parton-why-elvis-never-recorded-i-will-always-love-you-royalties-2021-10).
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It was ELVIS singing "Bridge Over Troubled Water".
Well, then, that makes perfect sense. :tup
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After agonizing over the list for many days, I've finally just submitted it. :corn
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I feel like I should've spent more time on mine. After reading this thread, I feel like my list should be thrown it for not including Elvis.
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You all shook up about it?
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#26 Elvis :biggrin:
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So, what makes a ‘favourite’ singer for you guys? Are we looking purely at the sound of their voices, or thinking of specific songs or vocal lines they sung? Perhaps even songs they (co-)wrote? Is it a vocalist from a group you happen to like while disregarding whether they’re actually ‘good’ (cue WildRanger, occasionally I do miss him) singers?
I'm late to this thread and only just threw together the first draft of my list. But to answer your main question, I'm guided mainly by how the voice works as an instrument within the band/music. That's what I respond to in vocalists, that's what 'delights' me. The following examples are only to illustrate my point, I'm not 'spoiling' my list because some of these singers didn't even make the brainstorming session, let alone the first draft: take Axl Rose (whaddya mean I can keep him?). With a couple of ballady exceptions, that little dude was not blessed with what you'd call a beautiful singing voice, but put it in songs like Estranged or Civil War and it's totally perfect. Or Thom Yorke. In isolation Yorke's is not a voice I would willingly listen to if you paid me but as an 'instrument' in tunes like Pyramid Song or Street Spirit it perfectly completes those wonderful anguished songs. This goes for a lot of death and black metal singers too. I'm a huge fan of Cradle of Filth and I love how the vocals complement the music, but Dani Filth's voice in isolation is like a castrato being boiled alive. It's only when it joins with the music that it becomes pleasing.
The other consideration I've made in my list is kind of the opposite to what I just wrote above: it's the voice itself, separate from the music. There are some singers whose music I generally don't care for much but whose voices I find in certain songs to be absolutely gorgeous (hint: 80s pop queen with conical knockers).
Something I haven't considered is the words they're actually singing. This isn't something that matters to me when considering my favourite vocalists, though of course I respect that for others it does matter. A certain someone has made my list who exclusively sings vapid pop fluff. By contrast, Nick Cave, Bob Dylan and Roger Waters have all penned and sung lyrics that have become a part of my world view, but they ain't making my list because I don't find their voices pleasing either within or without the music.
I haven't read through all this thread yet so sorry if that was already asked, but for those of you who have submitted a list: what's the approximate male/female split? Because I was surprised to find more female than male singers on my list when I did the initial brainstorm (surprised only because the overwhelming majority of bands I listen to have male singers).
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I haven't read through all this thread yet so sorry if that was already asked, but for those of you who have submitted a list: what's the approximate male/female split? Because I was surprised to find more female than male singers on my list when I did the initial brainstorm (surprised only because the overwhelming majority of bands I listen to have male singers).
I haven't submitted yet, but my initial list was 14 female, 11 male. I'd be surprised if more than a couple people have a higher ratio than that. Especially in the prog/metal world there weren't a ton of choices until the last couple decades, and I imagine 70s-90s classics are still going to be most prominent on the average list.
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There are no female singers in my list.
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Four females made my list, one of whom I definitely see making the cumulative top 25, another I give a decent shot at making it, and two that have little to no chance of making it.
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two that have little to no chance of making it.
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two that have little to no chance of making it.
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Looking at my list now, only 1 female vocalist made the top 25, but 12 were nominated in the 65 vocalists that I picked from.
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8 females. 4 in the Top 10, the rest in the "filling out the rest of the list" section.
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There are no female singers in my list.
Only started mine but this is a given for me.
.....inb4 Issa jokes too.
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My first cut has 7 out of 35. I'm actually kinda disappointed with that.
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5 out of the 25 female.
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I love my female vocalists. A few made my list.
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I'm still working on my list. I actually dislike Elvis' voice, so he won't be on my list. And before reading this thread I wouldn't have thought that would be so controversial. I know he was huge and well loved and respected and influential, but I know I'm not the only person who just doesn't care for it.
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Went ahead and submitted my list since it hadn’t really changed in the last week and I felt pretty good about it.
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I'm still working on my list. I actually dislike Elvis' voice, so he won't be on my list. And before reading this thread I wouldn't have thought that would be so controversial. I know he was huge and well loved and respected and influential, but I know I'm not the only person who just doesn't care for it.
It's not controversial. At. All.
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I'm still working on my list. I actually dislike Elvis' voice, so he won't be on my list. And before reading this thread I wouldn't have thought that would be so controversial. I know he was huge and well loved and respected and influential, but I know I'm not the only person who just doesn't care for it.
It's not controversial. At. All.
Not in the slightest.
That being said, this would be a great time for WildRanger to resurface and create a series of polls based off this thread :corn
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No, it wouldn't.
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I'm still working on my list. I actually dislike Elvis' voice, so he won't be on my list. And before reading this thread I wouldn't have thought that would be so controversial. I know he was huge and well loved and respected and influential, but I know I'm not the only person who just doesn't care for it.
It's not controversial. At. All.
I'm pretty sure it's only Stadler that thinks he should be on everyone's list regardless of whether they like him or not. :lol Or maybe only the people who have Plant or Mercury on theirs. Plant won't be on mine, and Mercury will probably be on the honorables, but not the top 25. I'm not a big classic rock guy, I like a fair amount of it, but rarely is it my favorite stuff.
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I'm still working on my list. I actually dislike Elvis' voice, so he won't be on my list. And before reading this thread I wouldn't have thought that would be so controversial. I know he was huge and well loved and respected and influential, but I know I'm not the only person who just doesn't care for it.
It's not controversial. At. All.
I'm pretty sure it's only Stadler that thinks he should be on everyone's list regardless of whether they like him or not. :lol Or maybe only the people who have Plant or Mercury on theirs. Plant won't be on mine, and Mercury will probably be on the honorables, but not the top 25. I'm not a big classic rock guy, I like a fair amount of it, but rarely is it my favorite stuff.
Neither made mine. I thought I snuck Mercury in there, but looking at my list, I guess I didn't.
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There are no female singers in my list.
I had three. I'd hope at least two make the consensus list.
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I'm still working on my list. I actually dislike Elvis' voice, so he won't be on my list. And before reading this thread I wouldn't have thought that would be so controversial. I know he was huge and well loved and respected and influential, but I know I'm not the only person who just doesn't care for it.
I'm surprised his name got brought up at all in this thread.
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Yeah, I don't recall much convo here about Elvis prior to this thread, so it's odd to think he was gonna do well in this countdown. Yes, he was huge, and yes, he was influential, but that doesn't make someone my, or anyone else's, favorite.
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Yeah, I don't recall much convo here about Elvis prior to this thread, so it's odd to think he was gonna do well in this countdown. Yes, he was huge, and yes, he was influential, but that doesn't make someone my, or anyone else's, favorite.
I mean......this is a prog metal forum. I'm quite bemused. :lol
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Yeah, I don't recall much convo here about Elvis prior to this thread, so it's odd to think he was gonna do well in this countdown. Yes, he was huge, and yes, he was influential, but that doesn't make someone my, or anyone else's, favorite.
I mean......this is a prog metal forum. I'm quite bemused. :lol
Me too, actually more than quite, I am very bemused.
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Ok, all good then. And for what it's worth to Stadler, I have no problems with him being on your list. And to hefdaddy, please don't be sad/angry at those of us, myself included, who will have all metal or at least rock singers on our lists. To me this is about my favorites. What gives me chills, what makes me grin like an idiot, what brings a tear to my eye, etc. And, what singers do I pay attention to all the little nuances of their voice, the way they phrase things, inflections, etc. To get to that stage, for me, I have to listen to their music a lot, and if I'm not really into the music, I won't get there.
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Looking at my list, I'm pretty confident that I will have 7, maybe 8 singers that make the final countdown.
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Looking at my list, I'm pretty confident that I will have 7, maybe 8 singers that make the final countdown.
TAC with a Joey Tempest nugget. Could be a TAC top 5 singer possibly. ;D
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Looking at my list, I'm pretty confident that I will have 7, maybe 8 singers that make the final countdown.
TAC with a Joey Tempest nugget. Could be a TAC top 5 singer possibly. ;D
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:lol Nice one that!
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Hi, Kev, I've tried to send my list, but it seems your mailbox is full.
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The Elvis fan club must've bombarded him.
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I'm struggling with 25 singers. I love so many bands and I think about the singer and just think, 'yeah, I love this guy, but would I really rate him up there?' I seem to be falling flat.
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Hi, Kev, I've tried to send my list, but it seems your mailbox is full.
All good now. Sorry about that.
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15 lists accepted now, 212 singers on the spreadsheet.
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Any nuggets so far?
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Any nuggets so far?
Weird Al has appeared on more lists so far than Blaze Bayley.
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No idea how many on my list with make the aggregate Top 25.
I'm struggling with 25 singers. I love so many bands and I think about the singer and just think, 'yeah, I love this guy, but would I really rate him up there?' I seem to be falling flat.
After my first 10, that's about where I ended up.
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I think at most 4 of mine will be on the combined list, and three of those I could see being a bit outside the top 25.
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Any nuggets so far?
Weird Al has appeared on more lists so far than Blaze Bayley.
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These Elvis takes are pathetic, but what ya gonna do. I promise that I at least won’t dismiss any singer unless I’ve heard a good representative sample of their best material.
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Just submitted my list. I am only certain about the top 6. After that names were being moved up and down in the ranking.
I have three female singers on my list. I was also surprised to realize that almost a quarter of my list (6 singers) have passed away.
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I was also surprised to realize that almost a quarter of my list (6 singers) have passed away.
I have 4 on my list that have passed away.
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I'm still working on my list. I actually dislike Elvis' voice, so he won't be on my list. And before reading this thread I wouldn't have thought that would be so controversial. I know he was huge and well loved and respected and influential, but I know I'm not the only person who just doesn't care for it.
It's not controversial. At. All.
I'm pretty sure it's only Stadler that thinks he should be on everyone's list regardless of whether they like him or not. :lol Or maybe only the people who have Plant or Mercury on theirs. Plant won't be on mine, and Mercury will probably be on the honorables, but not the top 25. I'm not a big classic rock guy, I like a fair amount of it, but rarely is it my favorite stuff.
Neither made mine. I thought I snuck Mercury in there, but looking at my list, I guess I didn't.
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;) :biggrin:
If this were a Top 50, then I'd be somewhat surprised. Of course, if it were, Kev might have 500 names to list on his spreadsheet.
As is, he'll probably have to add twenty after I submit mine ;) OK, maybe only five, but I wouldn't be shocked whatsoever if twenty of them don't make the DTF Top 25. This is DTF after all. It is possible the top point getter only gets a couple Top Ten votes.
It's not like we're working off of a given list like Rolling Stone's list of top 100 singers from 2010....with no RS built in prejudice evident :lol
https://www.wsfm.com.au/entertainment/rolling-stones-list-of-100-greatest-singers-of-all-time-has-us-scratching-our-heads/
Only nine of my singers made their list, neither of the two female picks :huh:
Any nuggets so far?
Weird Al has appeared on more lists so far than Blaze Bayley.
:lol
Then again, I wouldn't be half surprised. All it would take is one....
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Yeah, this is definitely the most challenging spreadsheet thus far to keep in order. Fun. :facepalm: :facepalm: :lol :lol
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I'm struggling with 25 singers. I love so many bands and I think about the singer and just think, 'yeah, I love this guy, but would I really rate him up there?' I seem to be falling flat.
That's why I sent my list within 5 hours of this thread starting :lol
I just didn't overthink it (I barely thought it). I knew the majority of my singers wouldn't make the final list anyway, so I didn't agonise over it.
Looking at my list I'd say I have 4 singers who are big in the mainstream, that would rate on any normies list. I then have 7 that I feel confident will be popular on DTF enough to at least have a shot of making the top 25.
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What will be interesting, is A) how many singers only one DTF'rs submitted, and (perhaps more interesting) B) who had the most 'one-and-done' singers on their list?
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What do you mean by a "one-and-done"? Someone who only has one album in their entire recorded output?
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I think “one and done” may refer to a singer that is only on one list.
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Kev, can I resubmit mine, or do you already have my selections in the spreadsheet? I hate to create more work, but I realized I somehow made a HUGE omission (given my personal favorites list). It's just a matter of inserting one singer and moving everyone below down a spot.
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You forgot Elvis??
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YES! :'(
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You forgot Elvis??
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I did not include Elvis, but I did include a boy who does not look like Elvis.
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I think “one and done” may refer to a singer that is only on one list.
That sounds just like A though.
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15 lists accepted now, 212 singers on the spreadsheet.
That's really crazy. If there were ZERO duplication between lists, there would be 375 singers, so 212 is more than half that number. I'd be really curious to know how many votes the most mentioned singer got and how many have shown up on 5 or more lists.
I think “one and done” may refer to a singer that is only on one list.
That sounds just like A though.
"A" is how many singers have been mentioned on only one list so far. "B" is which person who submitted a list had the most singers who didn't get mentioned on any other list.
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November 26th...
...and in joint 25th place * reels off 188 vocalists
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Any nuggets so far?
Weird Al has appeared on more lists so far than Blaze Bayley.
Who is Blaze Bayley?
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Any nuggets so far?
Weird Al has appeared on more lists so far than Blaze Bayley.
Who is Blaze Bayley?
I feel like who is....? is gonna become a real popular question soon
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:who:
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List submitted.
I am going to say this at the outset - I left off at least 20 singers that I'm absolutely embarrassed to leave off. I mean, ridiculously so. This should have been a top-50 list. But since this is a "favorite" singer list, and not "best singer" list, I did what I could. But man, I don't know how I left off so many good ones.
Ah, crap, Kev...hold on, I need to resubmit. Damn it.
Okay, final list submitted. Sorry about that Kev. But I modified it and feel a little better.
But still, this should be 50. :lol
Apologies in advance for leaving out at least 15 or 16 iconic singers.
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I think “one and done” may refer to a singer that is only on one list.
That sounds just like A though.
"A" is how many singers have been mentioned on only one list so far. "B" is which person who submitted a list had the most singers who didn't get mentioned on any other list.
Ah, yeah, the most obscure list.
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I don’t think anyone should feel embarrassed or ashamed for leaving off any singers who aren’t one of their 25 favorite singers. This is totally subjective and you like who you like.
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I don’t think anyone should feel embarrassed or ashamed for leaving off any singers who aren’t one of their 25 favorite singers. This is totally subjective and you like who you like.
"Embarrassed" is probably a poor choice of words on my part. I'm not embarrassed about the singers I chose - I'm just smacking my head about all the singers I love that come after #25. I could easily interchange say the last 10 or so on my list with another 10.
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I don’t think anyone should feel embarrassed or ashamed for leaving off any singers who aren’t one of their 25 favorite singers. This is totally subjective and you like who you like.
"Embarrassed" is probably a poor choice of words on my part. I'm not embarrassed about the singers I chose - I'm just smacking my head about all the singers I love that come after #25. I could easily interchange say the last 10 or so on my list with another 10.
That's the way I feel as well, but oppositely I think the better idea would be top 15 instead of top 50 since like you, I have a fairly clear top group and after that it's just really hard to distinguish who I like more. A lot of that has to do with current relevancy too. Ask me to do this again a year from now and I wouldn't be surprised if the 15-25 were completely different being singers I am more actively listening to at that time.
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I don’t think anyone should feel embarrassed or ashamed for leaving off any singers who aren’t one of their 25 favorite singers. This is totally subjective and you like who you like.
"Embarrassed" is probably a poor choice of words on my part. I'm not embarrassed about the singers I chose - I'm just smacking my head about all the singers I love that come after #25. I could easily interchange say the last 10 or so on my list with another 10.
Something that I think might have worked better with an open ended topic like this (as opposed to ranking a catalog of songs/albums with a set number) would have been for everyone to submit a top 50, but we only count down the top 25. That probably would have allowed for more overlap and consensus (but would be a little more work for Kev I guess!).
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Any nuggets so far?
Weird Al has appeared on more lists so far than Blaze Bayley.
:lol :rollin :lol
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I don’t think anyone should feel embarrassed or ashamed for leaving off any singers who aren’t one of their 25 favorite singers. This is totally subjective and you like who you like.
"Embarrassed" is probably a poor choice of words on my part. I'm not embarrassed about the singers I chose - I'm just smacking my head about all the singers I love that come after #25. I could easily interchange say the last 10 or so on my list with another 10.
Something that I think might have worked better with an open ended topic like this (as opposed to ranking a catalog of songs/albums with a set number) would have been for everyone to submit a top 50, but we only count down the top 25. That probably would have allowed for more overlap and consensus (but would be a little more work for Kev I guess!).
Well...you mean Kev would have to count down the top 25..... ;)
in which case, if he had chosen a top 50, then he would count down the top 50....
I don't think some realize how much work this takes. I have *envisioned* it. Transfer from inbox to Excel. Filter and check for duplicates. Transfer to main spreadsheet. Wash, rinse, repeat. Copy from that list to another sheet with totals. Check his own work for errors. Take totals and place on another spread sheet.
And then...keep mouth shut! :D
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I don’t think anyone should feel embarrassed or ashamed for leaving off any singers who aren’t one of their 25 favorite singers. This is totally subjective and you like who you like.
"Embarrassed" is probably a poor choice of words on my part. I'm not embarrassed about the singers I chose - I'm just smacking my head about all the singers I love that come after #25. I could easily interchange say the last 10 or so on my list with another 10.
Something that I think might have worked better with an open ended topic like this (as opposed to ranking a catalog of songs/albums with a set number) would have been for everyone to submit a top 50, but we only count down the top 25. That probably would have allowed for more overlap and consensus (but would be a little more work for Kev I guess!).
Well...you mean Kev would have to count down the top 25..... ;)
in which case, if he had chosen a top 50, then he would count down the top 50....
I don't think some realize how much work this takes. I have *envisioned* it. Transfer from inbox to Excel. Filter and check for duplicates. Transfer to main spreadsheet. Wash, rinse, repeat. Copy from that list to another sheet with totals. Check his own work for errors. Take totals and place on another spread sheet.
And then...keep mouth shut! :D
I acknowledged the extra work it would entail, it wasn’t a criticism.
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Not bashing you in the least.... never the intent whatsoever... :heart
just giving Kev his dues..... :tup
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Not bashing you in the least.... never the intent whatsoever... :heart
just giving Kev his dues..... :tup
Got it! :tup Definitely don’t envy Kev having to tabulate all of this!
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I think “one and done” may refer to a singer that is only on one list.
You are correct.
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I think “one and done” may refer to a singer that is only on one list.
You are correct.
Speaking of one and done. :lol
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Kev, can I resubmit mine, or do you already have my selections in the spreadsheet? I hate to create more work, but I realized I somehow made a HUGE omission (given my personal favorites list). It's just a matter of inserting one singer and moving everyone below down a spot.
That is fine. This will be the one exception.
I don't want to get into the habit of having to redo lists in the spreadsheet, so keep in minds, folks, that once you send me your list and I enter it, it is set in stone. :biggrin:
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Yep, that's why I'm waiting on mine. It's been over a week and I'm still happy with my 24, but the order is wonky, and #25 already changed once, it could again depending upon what I listen to in the next week.
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And I appreciate that. I was trying to think of the nice way to say it, but changing a list one already submitted pretty much means I wasted my time inputting the first one since I have go and put in the new one.
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Yeah, I am still sitting on my list too as I really want to make sure I haven't missed anyone who I would definitely have in my top 25. This countdown is going to be fascinating.
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Mine has turned into quite a massive project, gathering some basic info on each, bands they've been in or collaborated with, a sample song to hear, other highlights, a live or music video and such. Mostly for my own reference, but I'll post it after the results if anyone wants to check into them.
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If you've already entered mine, I'll just let it ride. I was hoping maybe you weren't entering them yet. I don't want to create extra work and be the exception. But thanks for offering.
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Yeah, I don't recall much convo here about Elvis prior to this thread, so it's odd to think he was gonna do well in this countdown. Yes, he was huge, and yes, he was influential, but that doesn't make someone my, or anyone else's, favorite.
Which is exactly why I brought him up.
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There are no female singers in my list.
So do I need to list the one female singer that should be on EVERYONE'S list? :) :) :) :)
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There are no female singers in my list.
So do I need to list the one female singer that should be on EVERYONE'S list? :) :) :) :)
Ann Wilson? Pat Benatar? Patsy Cline?
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I had 4-5 women I considered for my list, some of whom might have made a top 50, but I really just don’t listen to music with female singers that much, and there aren’t any women who have impacted me the way the other singers on my list have. I am starting to listen to more the last few years, but it would have been disingenuous and a bit patronizing if I had put any of them on just to say I had a female vocalist on my list.
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There are no female singers in my list.
So do I need to list the one female singer that should be on EVERYONE'S list? :) :) :) :)
Ann Wilson? Pat Benatar? Patsy Cline?
(I really don't want to promote the idea that I'm trying to influence others, but I did have a singer in mind, and she's in that list.)
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Note to WildRanger Stadler: There is NO singer who SHOULD BE on anyone's (much less everyone's) list. :)
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There are no female singers in my list.
So do I need to list the one female singer that should be on EVERYONE'S list? :) :) :) :)
Ann Wilson? Pat Benatar? Patsy Cline?
(I really don't want to promote the idea that I'm trying to influence others, but I did have a singer in mind, and she's in that list.)
Hey, this whole forum is about the idea of influencing others about stuff to check out. It's just unlikely anyone is going to be swayed on an absolute favorites list like this. But maybe you'll gin up a groundswell of Elvis appreciation at some point. :) Ann Wilson would probably make my top 100, but the only honorable mentions I have from the 70s are Freddie Mercury and Klaus Meine.
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I hope that at the end of the rankings, Kev is a good enough chap to list all of the singers that didn't make the final rankings, and that people check out as many of them as possible, regardless of genre.
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There are no female singers in my list.
So do I need to list the one female singer that should be on EVERYONE'S list? :) :) :) :)
Ann Wilson? Pat Benatar? Patsy Cline?
(I really don't want to promote the idea that I'm trying to influence others, but I did have a singer in mind, and she's in that list.)
None of those singers were even briefly considered by me. Not even in consideration for an honorable mention on either a "favorite 25" or "best 25" list as far as I'm concerned. One of the three might be allowed to hang out in the basement if we were doing a top 50.
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Note to WildRanger Stadler: There is NO singer who SHOULD BE on anyone's (much less everyone's) list. :)
I would imagine the diversity of this is probably lightyears beyond a favorite song countdown from a limited sample size. Just for kicks I googled a top 50 singer list and that particular one had Mick Jagger at #1. He wouldn't even make my list since I'm not a Rolling Stones fan. The more I think about it, the more difficult a category like this seems to be.
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List submitted
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I definitely should've spent more time on my list, but it is what it is, and I don't envy Kev doing all this work.
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I definitely should've spent more time on my list, but it is what it is, and I don't envy Kev doing all this work.
Same. I'm just hoping the one that I omitted makes the final list. I would consider her one of THE most talented singers in modern metal, and while I know that she is known here, I don't have a sense for how popular she is.
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I definitely should've spent more time on my list, but it is what it is, and I don't envy Kev doing all this work.
Same. I'm just hoping the one that I omitted makes the final list. I would consider her one of THE most talented singers in modern metal, and while I know that she is known here, I don't have a sense for how popular she is.
Ann Wilson? Pat Benatar? Patsy Cline?
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Yes.
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:lol
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I definitely should've spent more time on my list, but it is what it is, and I don't envy Kev doing all this work.
Same. I'm just hoping the one that I omitted makes the final list. I would consider her one of THE most talented singers in modern metal, and while I know that she is known here, I don't have a sense for how popular she is.
Ann Wilson? Pat Benatar? Patsy Cline?
:facepalm:
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I definitely should've spent more time on my list, but it is what it is, and I don't envy Kev doing all this work.
Same. I'm just hoping the one that I omitted makes the final list. I would consider her one of THE most talented singers in modern metal, and while I know that she is known here, I don't have a sense for how popular she is.
Ann Wilson? Pat Benatar? Patsy Cline?
:facepalm:
:lol
For some reason, I now want to hear a version of The Alien with Patsy Cline singing (even though the very little bit of Patsy Cline I have heard makes me physically ill).
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I don't know who Patsy Cline is. I think Ann Wilson has a great voice but I think I've only heard a couple songs.
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Been trying hard to get a female vocalist into my top 25 but when it comes to favourites I just can't get there. Of course there are some amazing female vocalists, I actually think Stevie Nicks would be fairly close for me but like anyone not on my list, her musical output just hasn't impacted my musical journey and that is my very first consideration when putting this list together.
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I'm still not sure why everyone is being so coy about naming particular vocalists. By the time the results roll around no one's going to bother going back through this thread, so there won't be any resolution to some of these cryptic discussions. I can see not posting full lists just yet, but to withhold specific random names seems odd to me.
I don't know who Patsy Cline is.
Old-school country/pop singer.
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I'm still not sure why everyone is being so coy about naming particular vocalists. By the time the results roll around no one's going to bother going back through this thread, so there won't be any resolution to some of these cryptic discussions. I can see not posting full lists just yet, but to withhold specific random names seems odd to me.
I don't know who Patsy Cline is.
Old-school country/pop singer.
Exactly, hands up who else has Fat Mike on their list.
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I'm still not sure why everyone is being so coy about naming particular vocalists. By the time the results roll around no one's going to bother going back through this thread, so there won't be any resolution to some of these cryptic discussions. I can see not posting full lists just yet, but to withhold specific random names seems odd to me.
I don't know who Patsy Cline is.
Old-school country/pop singer.
Exactly, hands up who else has Fat Mike on their list.
Not me :lol I do have 2 punk rock singers on my list. Most punk rock singers just aren't my favorites though.
I'm sure no one else has Noah Sebastian on their list, and I wouldn't of until this year. Guy may be the reason why I'll likely rate their newest album my favorite of the year and maybe my favorite new band discovery of recent years.
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I'm still not sure why everyone is being so coy about naming particular vocalists. By the time the results roll around no one's going to bother going back through this thread, so there won't be any resolution to some of these cryptic discussions. I can see not posting full lists just yet, but to withhold specific random names seems odd to me.
I don't know who Patsy Cline is.
Old-school country/pop singer.
Exactly, hands up who else has Fat Mike on their list.
Not me :lol I do have 2 punk rock singers on my list. Most punk rock singers just aren't my favorites though.
Will I be able to guess your two punk vocalists pretty easily?
I've got 4 punk vocalists on my list :lol
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I think so, I'm pretty sure you know who they are
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I'm still not sure why everyone is being so coy about naming particular vocalists. By the time the results roll around no one's going to bother going back through this thread, so there won't be any resolution to some of these cryptic discussions. I can see not posting full lists just yet, but to withhold specific random names seems odd to me.
I don't know who Patsy Cline is.
Old-school country/pop singer.
Exactly, hands up who else has Fat Mike on their list.
I have no clue who that is, but my mind formed a picture of a 300-pound Mike Portnoy and it wasn't pretty.
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I'm still not sure why everyone is being so coy about naming particular vocalists. By the time the results roll around no one's going to bother going back through this thread, so there won't be any resolution to some of these cryptic discussions. I can see not posting full lists just yet, but to withhold specific random names seems odd to me.
I don't know who Patsy Cline is.
Old-school country/pop singer.
Exactly, hands up who else has Fat Mike on their list.
I have no clue who that is, but my mind formed a picture of a 300-pound Mike Portnoy and it wasn't pretty.
You have no idea...
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Note to WildRanger Stadler: There is NO singer who SHOULD BE on anyone's (much less everyone's) list. :)
Okay. this made me LOL for real.
If you've already entered mine, I'll just let it ride. I was hoping maybe you weren't entering them yet. I don't want to create extra work and be the exception. But thanks for offering.
Okay, cool. :tup :tup
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My list is fairly pedestrian, and I believe all participants should know every single name on my list, with the possible exception of one, who people might recognize only if they are reminded for what he is most famous for.
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My list is fairly pedestrian, and I believe all participants should know every single name on my list, with the possible exception of one, who people might recognize only if they are reminded for what he is most famous for.
Are you going to Rick Roll us?
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Tiny Tim?😉
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My list is fairly pedestrian, and I believe all participants should know every single name on my list, with the possible exception of one, who people might recognize only if they are reminded for what he is most famous for.
Are you going to Rick Roll us?
Crap! I knew I forgot someone!
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I traded lists with one other Fogey, albeit a much older Fogey :P, and we had only 4 people in common, though we had one of them at the same spot.
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I traded lists with one other Fogey, albeit a much older Fogey :P, and we had only 4 people in common, though we had one two of them at the same spot.
FTFY :D
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I traded lists with one other Fogey, albeit a much older Fogey :P, and we had only 4 people in common, though we had one two of them at the same spot.
FTFY :D
Oh shoot. You're right. Isn't that weird? Er..not weird that you're right.. ;D but weird in that we only matched 4 people and have two of them ranked in the exact same spot.
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I think there will be about five or six mainstays in the top-25. The rest will be an eclectic bunch.
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I traded lists with one other Fogey, albeit a much older Fogey :P, and we had only 4 people in common, though we had one of them at the same spot.
I can guarantee you and I have at least one in common (my #14 and I bet you have him higher). I'm also pretty sure you have a guy whom I didn't even consider.
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I traded lists with one other Fogey, albeit a much older Fogey :P, and we had only 4 people in common, though we had one of them at the same spot.
I can guarantee you and I have at least one in common (my #14 and I bet you have him higher). I'm also pretty sure you have a guy whom I didn't even consider.
I'm pretty sure I have a half dozen guys you didn't even consider.
And #14 is way too low! :lol
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Can't wait for this to turn into a good ol' DTF objective vs. subjective thread.
:corn
Gonna bring us together then tear us apart.
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My list is 100% subjective. As everyone else's is. :P
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My list doesn't reflect my favorite bands or necessarily artists. Its a list of vocalists that move me the most even if only by a handful of songs. Obviously personal to me as is everyone's. This was extremely difficult, I would struggle with a top 50.
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Can't wait for this to turn into a good ol' DTF objective vs. subjective thread.
:corn
Gonna bring us together then tear us apart.
If it attempts to be objective it'll be a bunch of classically-trained opera singers (and not the symphonic metal ones, that would be considered a bastardization of it) with immaculate technique. Singing snobs are insufferable and hate rock vocals. So subjective it is. ;D
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Kev, just PM'd my list. This was crazy hard.
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21 lists now accepted, updated and locked in.
249 singers now on the spreadsheet. :eek :eek
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21 lists now accepted, updated and locked in.
249 singers now on the spreadsheet. :eek :eek
That’s actually a decent amount of overlap, given that there are 525 total slots among the 21 lists.
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21 lists now accepted, updated and locked in.
249 singers now on the spreadsheet. :eek :eek
That’s actually a decent amount of overlap, given that there are 525 total slots among the 21 lists.
I was kind of thinking the same thing, but I've exchanged lists with two other Fogeys and I've only matched 4 singers on each of their lists.
And they only had 3 singers in common.
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21 lists now accepted, updated and locked in.
249 singers now on the spreadsheet. :eek :eek
That’s actually a decent amount of overlap, given that there are 525 total slots among the 21 lists.
I was kind of thinking the same thing, but I've exchanged lists with two other Fogeys and I've only matched 4 singers on each of their lists.
And they only had 3 singers in common.
:lol :lol :lol
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21 lists now accepted, updated and locked in.
249 singers now on the spreadsheet. :eek :eek
That’s actually a decent amount of overlap, given that there are 525 total slots among the 21 lists.
I was kind of thinking the same thing, but I've exchanged lists with two other Fogeys and I've only matched 4 singers on each of their lists.
And they only had 3 singers in common.
I guess the Fogeys just have too many singers to pick from given their decades and decades and decades of listening experience.
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A couple minor spoilers:
-I am surprised Axl Rose has yet to make a single list. He wouldn't have a prayer of making my top 100, but I know some think highly of him.
-I was shocked it took this long for both Don Henley and Stevie Nicks to make a list. Neither had made one until the last handful of lists submitted in the last couple days.
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21 lists now accepted, updated and locked in.
249 singers now on the spreadsheet. :eek :eek
That’s actually a decent amount of overlap, given that there are 525 total slots among the 21 lists.
I was kind of thinking the same thing, but I've exchanged lists with two other Fogeys and I've only matched 4 singers on each of their lists.
And they only had 3 singers in common.
I guess the Fogeys just have too many singers to pick from given their decades and decades and decades of listening experience.
One of the guys is so old, he had Thomas Jefferson on his list. I didn't know he could even sing! ;D
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-I am surprised Axl Rose has yet to make a single list. He wouldn't have a prayer of making my top 100, but I know some think highly of him.
He would have if Bosk took you up on your offer to adjust his list.
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-I was shocked it took this long for both Don Henley and Stevie Nicks to make a list. Neither had made one until the last handful of lists submitted in the last couple days.
If The Lovely Mrs TAC made a list, Stevie Nicks would definitely be on her list.
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-I was shocked it took this long for both Don Henley and Stevie Nicks to make a list. Neither had made one until the last handful of lists submitted in the last couple days.
If The Lovely Mrs TAC made a list, Stevie Nicks would definitely be on her list.
I think I ranked around 40-45 singers. Put them all into the ranking engine to get my 25. Stevie was in there, but didn't make my top 25.
I know a few guys who really dislike her voice, but there is something about it that just works.
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21 lists now accepted, updated and locked in.
249 singers now on the spreadsheet. :eek :eek
That’s actually a decent amount of overlap, given that there are 525 total slots among the 21 lists.
I was kind of thinking the same thing, but I've exchanged lists with two other Fogeys and I've only matched 4 singers on each of their lists.
And they only had 3 singers in common.
I guess the Fogeys just have too many singers to pick from given their decades and decades and decades of listening experience.
One of the guys is so old, he had Thomas Jefferson on his list. I didn't know he could even sing! ;D
He was the original vocalist in Flotsam and Jetsam! :lol
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I know a few guys who really dislike her voice, but there is something about it that just works.
She has a great voice.
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Stevie Nicks is great, but I can't say I listen to very much of her music. Landslide is definitely a favorite though.
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Stevie Nicks is great, but I can't say I listen to very much of her music. Landslide is definitely a favorite though.
Might be my wife's favorite song.
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It's funny because I consider myself a little more of a Lindsey guy than a Stevie guy when it comes to Fleetwood Mac (I think I give him a lot of extra credit for his guitar playing plus the fact that he often produced her songs and helped turn them into what they became), yet my two favorite Fleetwood Mac songs by a pretty good margin are Stevie songs: Dreams and Gypsy.
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A couple minor spoilers:
-I am surprised Axl Rose has yet to make a single list. He wouldn't have a prayer of making my top 100, but I know some think highly of him.
-I was shocked it took this long for both Don Henley and Stevie Nicks to make a list. Neither had made one until the last handful of lists submitted in the last couple days.
Axl Rose wouldn't come within a lightyear of my top 25...
Both Don Henley and Stevie Nicks were on my shortlist, but ultimately didn't make my top 25.
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It's funny because I consider myself a little more of a Lindsey guy than a Stevie guy when it comes to Fleetwood Mac (I think I give him a lot of extra credit for his guitar playing plus the fact that he often produced her songs and helped turn them into what they became), yet my two favorite Fleetwood Mac songs by a pretty good margin are Stevie songs: Dreams and Gypsy.
Landslide in particular is equally great for the guitar part and the vocal part.
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I've got one singer on my list who would probably draw a similar reaction as Axl Rose from most people.
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I haven't really seen any GnR fans on this forum. Most of the GnR and Axl chat I have read has been negative so I am not surprised at all that no one is rating Axl. I am willing to say that Appetite for Destruction is a top 10 album of all time for me and Axl was one of the singers on my extended list but he didn't quite make top 25. I am also going to see GnR live in a couple of weeks.
I mentioned Stevie Nicks above somewhere as the one female vocalist that was very close for me but also didn't quite make it.
Doing this list is tough!
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Axl almost made my list. Actually, many of my faves have a similar rasp to their voice.
As for Fleetwood Mac, Stevie Nicks will forever be the "goat lady" to my ears. Christine McVie is my choice and almost made my top 25.
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I haven't really seen any GnR fans on this forum. Most of the GnR and Axl chat I have read has been negative so I am not surprised at all that no one is rating Axl.
I like Slash, but dislike Axl, so for me it's Slash's Snakepit (particularly with Rod Jackson) or Myles Kennedy and The Conspirators.
21 lists now accepted, updated and locked in.
249 singers now on the spreadsheet. :eek :eek
That’s actually a decent amount of overlap, given that there are 525 total slots among the 21 lists.
I was kind of thinking the same thing, but I've exchanged lists with two other Fogeys and I've only matched 4 singers on each of their lists.
And they only had 3 singers in common.
Are we supposed to be comparing by age range now or something? I surmise the elder millennials would have pretty significantly different lists from each other too.
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I haven't really seen any GnR fans on this forum. Most of the GnR and Axl chat I have read has been negative so I am not surprised at all that no one is rating Axl.
I like Slash, but dislike Axl, so for me it's Slash's Snakepit (particularly with Rod Jackson) or Myles Kennedy and The Conspirators.
21 lists now accepted, updated and locked in.
249 singers now on the spreadsheet. :eek :eek
That’s actually a decent amount of overlap, given that there are 525 total slots among the 21 lists.
I was kind of thinking the same thing, but I've exchanged lists with two other Fogeys and I've only matched 4 singers on each of their lists.
And they only had 3 singers in common.
Are we supposed to be comparing by age range now or something? I surmise the elder millennials would have pretty significantly different lists from each other too.
As an elder millennial I would have to agree.
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I'll just go ahead and say now that Tatiana is the one I forgot. Immensely talented. But from what I gather, she doesn't do nearly enough to try to take care of her voice, so unfortunately it would not surprise me if she dropped off precipitously within a few more years. But right now? :eek :eek :eek Anyhow, I was skimming through my CD collection to make sure I didn't leave anybody off. But I have only bought Jinjer's music digitally, which is why I missed them.
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I'll just go ahead and say now that Tatiana is the one I forgot. Immensely talented. But from what I gather, she doesn't do nearly enough to try to take care of her voice, so unfortunately it would surprise me if she dropped off precipitously within a few more years. But right now? :eek :eek :eek Anyhow, I was skimming through my CD collection to make sure I didn't leave anybody off. But I have only bought Jinjer's music digitally, which is why I missed them.
She was also on my shortlist, but ultimately didn't make the cut.
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Only one growler made my list, but she would have been the second (and only one in the top 10). But both she and the growler that made it have and use a great clean voice as well. (Chuck Billy just missed)
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No growlers made my list.
21 lists now accepted, updated and locked in.
249 singers now on the spreadsheet. :eek :eek
That’s actually a decent amount of overlap, given that there are 525 total slots among the 21 lists.
I was kind of thinking the same thing, but I've exchanged lists with two other Fogeys and I've only matched 4 singers on each of their lists.
And they only had 3 singers in common.
Are we supposed to be comparing by age range now or something? I surmise the elder millennials would have pretty significantly different lists from each other too.
Well, we aren't supposed to be doing anything. I was just mentioning it.
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Stevie Nicks is great, but I can't say I listen to very much of her music. Landslide is definitely a favorite though.
Might be my wife's favorite song.
IS my wife's favorite song. As much as I love the 'Mac version, there are few things worse than listening to some clown at open mike night trying to get through that song. Most of the covers of it blow in my humble opinion.
So... not to now shift to pimp Axl, but he will likely be on my list. I saw them in a 1,000 seat club in 2010 or thereabouts and that fucker went on at 11 sharp, and was still singing at 2 am when I left. He was on stage for all of that except for about 10 minutes when Duffy or Dizzy or Daffy whatever played his piano solo. Amazing vocal performance.
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I'll just go ahead and say now that Tatiana is the one I forgot. Immensely talented. But from what I gather, she doesn't do nearly enough to try to take care of her voice, so unfortunately it would not surprise me if she dropped off precipitously within a few more years. But right now? :eek :eek :eek Anyhow, I was skimming through my CD collection to make sure I didn't leave anybody off. But I have only bought Jinjer's music digitally, which is why I missed them.
Don't worry, she made my list.
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I'll just go ahead and say now that Tatiana is the one I forgot. Immensely talented. But from what I gather, she doesn't do nearly enough to try to take care of her voice, so unfortunately it would not surprise me if she dropped off precipitously within a few more years. But right now? :eek :eek :eek Anyhow, I was skimming through my CD collection to make sure I didn't leave anybody off. But I have only bought Jinjer's music digitally, which is why I missed them.
Don't worry, she made my list.
Look, you do you, but how does she make it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatiana_(singer)) and Elvis doesn't?
EDIT: IT'S A JOKE, people. IT'S A JOKE.
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I'll just go ahead and say now that Tatiana is the one I forgot. Immensely talented. But from what I gather, she doesn't do nearly enough to try to take care of her voice, so unfortunately it would not surprise me if she dropped off precipitously within a few more years. But right now? :eek :eek :eek Anyhow, I was skimming through my CD collection to make sure I didn't leave anybody off. But I have only bought Jinjer's music digitally, which is why I missed them.
Don't worry, she made my list.
Look, you do you, but how does she make it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatiana_(singer)) and Elvis doesn't?
EDIT: IT'S A JOKE, people. IT'S A JOKE.
I did a "search" on her page and found no mention of Elvis.
HOW DOES SHE EXIST?!?
And here's a mathematical equation to demonstrate how Elvis was left off my list.
(https://scx1.b-cdn.net/csz/news/800a/2018/6-mathematicia.jpg)
I'm sure you understand.
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Me entering this thread like...
(https://media.giphy.com/media/MJkHFHYcPZfeo/giphy.gif)
(https://media.tenor.com/UYGXR8PhkqYAAAAC/neat-thats-neat.gif)
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BoringContentGelada-size_restricted.gif)
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I love Guns N Roses, but would never in a million years put Axl on my list of favorite singers.
I know a couple of people I left off, but it won't matter, because no one else would have listed them either lol.
I didn't put any growlers on my list either, but if I had, the only two I would have even considered would have been Tatiana and Akerfeldt.
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The growlers on my list are the ones who can pull of both the soft and the harsh vocals. None on my list are full blown growlers/harsh vocalists (although they are completely capable of doing only that style).
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I've got one singer on my list who would probably draw a similar reaction as Axl Rose from most people.
It's this guy, right?
(https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/03/24/127794843_wide-7919d53cecd1e0bb45783eac48ab13634c066cfc.jpg)
I'll just go ahead and say now that Tatiana is the one I forgot.
Isn't that a Shakespeare character?
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I have nine that did growls at some point, but only 4-6-ish did it regularly, and none exclusively.
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I'll just go ahead and say now that Tatiana is the one I forgot.
Isn't that a Shakespeare character?
Nah, that was Titania.
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I'll just go ahead and say now that Tatiana is the one I forgot.
Isn't that a Shakespeare character?
Nah, that was Titania.
From She-Hulk?
Oh sorry that was Titania AND Tatiana.
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I've got one singer on my list who would probably draw a similar reaction as Axl Rose from most people.
It's this guy, right?
(https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/03/24/127794843_wide-7919d53cecd1e0bb45783eac48ab13634c066cfc.jpg)
Oderus! RIP
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I've got one singer on my list who would probably draw a similar reaction as Axl Rose from most people.
It's this guy, right?
(https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/03/24/127794843_wide-7919d53cecd1e0bb45783eac48ab13634c066cfc.jpg)
Oderus! RIP
(https://y.yarn.co/0dc2b666-e998-4aeb-9909-6f8f5a5821f3_text.gif)
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So... not to now shift to pimp Axl, but he will likely be on my list. I saw them in a 1,000 seat club in 2010 or thereabouts and that fucker went on at 11 sharp, and was still singing at 2 am when I left. He was on stage for all of that except for about 10 minutes when Duffy or Dizzy or Daffy whatever played his piano solo. Amazing vocal performance.
Let me guess: he was scheduled to come on stage around 8 or 9, right?
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Probably.
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So... not to now shift to pimp Axl, but he will likely be on my list. I saw them in a 1,000 seat club in 2010 or thereabouts and that fucker went on at 11 sharp, and was still singing at 2 am when I left. He was on stage for all of that except for about 10 minutes when Duffy or Dizzy or Daffy whatever played his piano solo. Amazing vocal performance.
Let me guess: he was scheduled to come on stage around 8 or 9, right?
The night before... :biggrin:
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Ok..put together a quick list...got some long time favorites that'll surely make the final list along with 10 or so that I'll be the only one voting for. :lol
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List sent. That was extremely hard.
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I'll just go ahead and say now that Tatiana is the one I forgot. Immensely talented. But from what I gather, she doesn't do nearly enough to try to take care of her voice, so unfortunately it would not surprise me if she dropped off precipitously within a few more years. But right now? :eek :eek :eek Anyhow, I was skimming through my CD collection to make sure I didn't leave anybody off. But I have only bought Jinjer's music digitally, which is why I missed them.
Don't worry, she made my list.
Look, you do you, but how does she make it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatiana_(singer)) and Elvis doesn't?
EDIT: IT'S A JOKE, people. IT'S A JOKE.
For the exact opposite reasons that Elvis AND Axel make your list.
IT'S A JOKE, Bill. IT'S A JOKE. :biggrin:
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Reminder that submissions are due by the end of next Saturday 11/26.
There will be no extension, as I want to be able to start the countdown on Monday the 28th, so for anyone thinking of asking in advance if you can have an extra day, the answer is no. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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This was a long submission period. If anyone needs an extension, they deserve to be rejected.
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List submitted.
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Exactly. And I doubt I will stretch this one like I have the others. It won't be a one a day deal. I will likely work to get it done in two weeks.
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This was a long submission period. If anyone needs an extension, they deserve to be rejected.
Good chance at this rate I'll miss the cut off. :lol
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I just did my first iteration of ranking, and boy is it disappointing to see which singers *didn't* make the top 25.
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I just did my first iteration of ranking, and boy is it disappointing to see which singers *didn't* make the top 25.
50 would have been hard. My list might be surprising to everyone based on my posts overall.
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Struggling to rank 20. Gotta find some more.
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Struggling to rank 20. Gotta find some more.
Put in that guy that sings El Dorado. Good song. That at least gets you to 21.
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Struggling to rank 20. Gotta find some more.
Check your PM. :tup
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Struggling to rank 20. Gotta find some more.
Put in that guy that sings El Dorado. Good song. That at least gets you to 21.
Because he songs THAT song, it almost cost him a spot on my list!
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Struggling to rank 20. Gotta find some more.
wolfking roulette v. "find me more vocalists to like" incoming? :)
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Struggling to rank 20. Gotta find some more.
wolfking roulette v. "find me more vocalists to like" incoming? :)
Hope no one cock blocks me by sending Elvis
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List is in; two women in my top 25, five in my top 50.
I used the Ranker; stunned at some of the singers that didn't make the top 25. Pretty interesting exercise.
When can we start sharing those that didn't make the cut?
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Elvis didn't make the cut on mine, sorry. ;)
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Elvis didn't make the cut on mine, sorry. ;)
I'm going to be hearing about Elvis for a LONG time, aren't I? :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Struggling to rank 20. Gotta find some more.
I have this struggle as well - not that I don't have 25 great singers, because I do. But when I get past the top 10 or so and I'm comparing two singers, I don't really know which one I like better than the other. I've used the ranker a few times and gotten totally different results in the lower rankings.
I suppose all this means is that it really doesn't matter what I rank them as long as they're on the list, so I'll finish this tomorrow and send and be done with it.
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Elvis didn't make the cut on mine, sorry. ;)
I'm going to be hearing about Elvis for a LONG time, aren't I? :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
I had Elvis AND 8 women.
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I just did my first iteration of ranking, and boy is it disappointing to see which singers *didn't* make the top 25.
That's why mine is a top 50 top 25.
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Elvis didn't make the cut on mine, sorry. ;)
I'm going to be hearing about Elvis for a LONG time, aren't I? :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Plus tax
I had Elvis AND 8 women.
Now that's a great weekend!
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Elvis didn't make the cut on mine, sorry. ;)
I'm going to be hearing about Elvis for a LONG time, aren't I? :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Plus tax
I had Elvis AND 8 women.
Now that's a great weekend!
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Elvis didn't make the cut on mine, sorry. ;)
I'm going to be hearing about Elvis for a LONG time, aren't I? :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
I had Elvis AND 8 women.
hefdaddy42 fact: Elvis once had 8 women. hefdaddy42 had Elvis AND 8 women.
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:lol
Man, I'm tired.
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hefdaddy42 fact: hefdaddy42 had Elvis AND 8 women. Man, he's tired.
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Struggling to rank 20. Gotta find some more.
I have this struggle as well - not that I don't have 25 great singers, because I do. But when I get past the top 10 or so and I'm comparing two singers, I don't really know which one I like better than the other. I've used the ranker a few times and gotten totally different results in the lower rankings.
I suppose all this means is that it really doesn't matter what I rank them as long as they're on the list, so I'll finish this tomorrow and send and be done with it.
Pretty much. I have a couple of favs and there's a lot of singers I love, but for some reason, each time I think of a singer, I'm like...'yeah, maybe top 25 worthy.'
To be honest, I just haven't had a chance to really think about it all too much. Been working big hour weeks lately so I just don't have the time or mental capacity to really put a lot of thought into it haha.
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hefdaddy42 fact: hefdaddy42 had Elvis AND 8 women. Man, he's tired.
:lol
I love you so much.
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Sent. :)
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Sent. :)
You can't send the Katatonia dude twice, once for harsh and once more for clean...
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Sent. :)
You can't send the Katatonia dude twice, once for harsh and once more for clean...
You're not the boss of me. :P
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I have a feeling that my list has more woman singer than most of you.
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I have a feeling that my list has more woman singer than most of you.
Be interesting to compare once the results are out. Probably a quite different list than mine I'd imagine.
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26 lists now accepted and on the spreadsheet.
286 total singers listed.
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I have a feeling that my list has more woman singer than most of you.
Be interesting to compare once the results are out. Probably a quite different list than mine I'd imagine.
Everyone has quite different list than you! :lol
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I have a feeling that my list has more woman singer than most of you.
Be interesting to compare once the results are out. Probably a quite different list than mine I'd imagine.
Everyone has quite different list than you! :lol
I'm aiming to break Kev's spreadsheet.
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(https://i.imgflip.com/71u9gv.jpg)
:corn
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:lol
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Submitted. I'm expecting at least one, but as many as 5, that I was the only one to submit.
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I anticipate that not more than a handful of mine will make the final list.
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Out of 25, I will easily have 10, maybe more, that are on my list only.
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Out of 25, I will easily have 10, maybe more, that are on my list only.
While I doubt he'll make the collective list, I'm sure Elvis isn't JUST on your list.
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Out of 25, I will easily have 10, maybe more, that are on my list only.
While I doubt he'll make the collective list, I'm sure Elvis isn't JUST on your list.
Not even counting him.
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I honestly don't even remember what my list looked like other than my top two.
And on that note, I'd be said if my top 2 weren't somewhere on the list.
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I'd be said if my top 2 weren't somewhere on the list.
I'll be real sad if my top 2 don't make the cut, but I also wouldn't be too surprised. They are both fairly well known around here. One is pretty divisive to be honest but the other is objectively the best singer ever so...
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I'd be said if my top 2 weren't somewhere on the list.
I'll be real sad if my top 2 don't make the cut, but I also wouldn't be too surprised. They are both fairly well known around here. One is pretty divisive to be honest but the other is objectively the best singer ever so...
YES!!!!! TWO votes for Elvis!!!!
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I'd be said if my top 2 weren't somewhere on the list.
I'll be real sad if my top 2 don't make the cut, but I also wouldn't be too surprised. They are both fairly well known around here. One is pretty divisive to be honest but the other is objectively the best singer ever so...
YES!!!!! TWO votes for Elvis!!!!
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.pb-NXoL_IKfQdRub6p7FGAAAAA?w=170&h=180&c=7&r=0&o=5&dpr=1.5&pid=1.7)
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Out of 25, I will easily have 10, maybe more, that are on my list only.
I'm officially predicting 9 on mine will be only on mine, with another 8 that are iffy.
Edit: Just sent it. Not completely happy with the order, but I probably never will be. The grouping and broad outline is good enough.
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29 lists now accepted and on the spreadsheet.
312 total singers listed.
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That's a lot more overlap than expected.
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26 new singers added between the last three lists, not bad this late in the game.
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That's a lot more overlap than expected.
Yeah, I tend to agree with that however I am not sure I could name 312 singers....well I guess I could but it would take a while..
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29 lists now accepted and on the spreadsheet.
312 total singers listed.
311 plus Nicky Spanjaards?
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I'll throw something together at the 11th hour. I'm stuck working 75 hour weeks plus got some more shit going down at work so this deadline has really crept up on me. I'll make sure I get something in, as I thought we'd get way more than 30 lists, dunno why.
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Sent my list.
Would not think that a handful could make it in though
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That's a lot more overlap than expected.
Yeah, I tend to agree with that however I am not sure I could name 312 singers....well I guess I could but it would take a while..
I'm guessing that I might be able to guess 100 of the 312 and that there's at least 125 I've never heard of.
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Who has the most dead people on their list?
I have 6.
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^
Two: #1 (thirty one years ago today) and #3
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I have two on my list, one of which is still kind of hard to accept.
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Who has the most dead people on their list?
I have 6.
Only 2 for me, although I forgot one dead guy who definitely should've been there.
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I have 5 deceased on my list, all of which are still pretty tough to accept. Sorry Elvis isn't one of them...
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Only three for me.
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2.
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As far as I know all of mine are alive, but one has a condition that renders them unable to sing anymore, which is tragic.
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I have 5 that are gone.
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Only 2 of mine are dead
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As far as I know all of mine are alive, but one has a condition that renders them unable to sing anymore, which is tragic.
Deleted.
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8 dead for me. Puts me in the lead for now I guess.
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7
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I was going to say 0 but on a quick check, I realized there are 4 of them. And it is not like I hadn't known they were dead all along, but thanks to their music being so present in my life, the fact that they are no longer alive is just not readily available in my mind....
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List sent. Demographics:
Men: 16
Women: 9
Dead: 5
Retired: 1
UK and Ireland: 14
American: 9
Rest of the world: 2
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Can someone tell me how many hours from now until cut-off time?
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Can someone tell me how many hours from now until cut-off time?
32 hours starting...NOW! :biggrin:
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Can someone tell me how many hours from now until cut-off time?
32 hours starting...NOW! :biggrin:
Sweet. Saturday here now so will make sure I do it tonight after work.
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Can someone tell me how many hours from now until cut-off time?
32 hours starting...NOW! :biggrin:
Sweet. Saturday here now so will make sure I do it tonight after work.
:tup :tup
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33 lists now accepted and on the spreadsheet.
344 total singers listed.
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Can someone tell me how many hours from now until cut-off time?
32 hours starting...NOW! :biggrin:
Sweet. Saturday here now so will make sure I do it tonight after work.
So am I right in saying we have until about 8am Sunday our time Wolf? Not sure I will get it done tbh but in case plans change and I get the chance...?
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Men: 21
Women: 4
Dead: 2 (should be 3)
Retired: 3 (? - are we ever really sure?)
UK and Ireland: 7 (none of which are Irish)
American: 14 (+2 Canadian)
Rest of the world (not including Canada): 2
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It's the 26th now in the UK, results when?
:corn
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Men: 21
Women: 4
Dead: 2 (should be 3)
Retired: 3 (? - are we ever really sure?)
UK and Ireland: 7 (none of which are Irish)
American: 14 (+2 Canadian)
Rest of the world (not including Canada): 2
Cool!
Men..25
Dead..6
US.. 12
UK (incl Ireland/Scotland)...8
Sweden...2
Canada...2
Germany...1
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States…11
Isles…11
Canada…2
Zanzibar…1
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Isles…11
Let's see...
Bossy
Trottier
Gillies
Nystrom
Goring
Bourne
B. Sutter
D. Sutter
Potvin
Morrow
Smith
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Women - 15
Men - 10
Alive - 25?
Retired - 4?
US - 7
Sweden - 6-ish
Netherlands - 4
UK - 3
Other Nordic - 2
Australia - 2-ish
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Wow everyone so far has way more US singers than I do.
Brazil - 2
Canada - 2
Finland - 1
Germany - 2
Greece - 1
Italy - 2
Netherlands - 1
Norway - 3
Poland - 1
Sweden - 2
UK - 4
US - 4
4 no longer with us. :(
All men
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24 of mine were already established in the 70's and 80's.
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GB & Ireland 13
Sweden 5
USA 2
Canada 2
Mexico 1
Netherlands 1
Norway 1
18 men
7 women
2 dead
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Ok...random stats about my singers...
2 dead
US- 6
UK- 10
Scotland- 1
Japan- 3
Canadian- 1
Dutch- 2
Isreal- 1
Belgian- 1
Male- 18
Female- 7
Of the ones still living, only two have formally retired. (a few have rock star retired multiple times, only to come out again)
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33 lists now accepted and on the spreadsheet.
344 total singers listed.
So the last 4 listd added 32 new singers....
An overlap of 62% is rather high i think.
Eight new singers per list. Yeah I can see quiteca few in my list that would be unique, maybe 8 is where it's at
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Hopefully made it in time Kev sent in a submission (albeit somewhat rushed where did the last couple weeks go? :P)
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Sent.
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Isles…11
Let's see...
Bossy
Trottier
Gillies
Nystrom
Goring
Bourne
B. Sutter
D. Sutter
Potvin
Morrow
Smith
😀
Amazingly, I recognize all those ‘artists’
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Why not...
2 dead
All 25 are men, manly men
US - 11
English - 4
Swedish - 3
Canadian - 2
Chilean-American - 1
Finnish - 1
German - 1
Norwegian - 1
Welsh - 1
Age range (including if they were alive today)
31-40 - 5
41-50 - 9
51-60 - 5
61-70 - 2
71-80 - 4
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Hopefully made it in time Kev sent in a submission (albeit somewhat rushed where did the last couple weeks go? :P)
Heaps of time to spare mate.
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Zanzibar…1
Bi Kidude? Siti binti Saad? Makame Faki? Freddie Mercury? Zuhura Swaleh?
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Given how diverse our lists are bound to be, I propose a competition. Predict how many of your choices will make the aggregate list. The winner will win the internet that day.
My prediction: 8 from my list will make it to the DTF Singers' Hall of Fame.
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Zanzibar…1
Bi Kidude? Siti binti Saad? Makame Faki? Freddie Mercury? Zuhura Swaleh?
Yes😀
My two Canadian picks are guaranteed, with maybe five at the most making the list
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Zanzibar…1
Bi Kidude? Siti binti Saad? Makame Faki? Freddie Mercury? Zuhura Swaleh?
Yes😀
Right! Who doesn’t love Bi Kidude? :lol
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I feel like I definitely have 5 on the list. Maybe 6.
I’ll shoot high and say 6.
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I feel like I definitely have 5 on the list. Maybe 6.
I’ll shoot high and say 6.
I'll say 5, and that is fucking optimistic! It really depends on the forum members who submitted, as my 5 are popular around here, and I think well respects a vocalist.
It all depends on the fogey to non fogey ratio.
Kev, can you name and shame those who have submitted?
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I think 3 of mine will make the list
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Given how diverse our lists are bound to be, I propose a competition. Predict how many of your choices will make the aggregate list. The winner will win the internet that day.
My prediction: 8 from my list will make it to the DTF Singers' Hall of Fame.
I like this idea. Assuming that more than one poster gets the # right, the tie breaker (if Kev is up for collecting this additional piece) would/should be WHICH singers make the list?
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I think about 7 of mine will make the countdown.
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I've got 4 that I can make bank on. I think I've got 9-10 that *should* make it, so I'll say 8.
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I got 3 guaranteed, 5 that I'm 99% sure on.
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The tiebreaker will be whoever has the most songs on their list that were also on my list. :biggrin:
Note: having Billy Joel, Taylor Swift and/or Thom Yorke on your list will help your cause. :P :P
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I couldn’t even tell you who Thom Yorke is.
-Thim
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I couldn’t even tell you who Thom Yorke is.
-Thim
That's fair considering I had no clue who your number 1 singer was.
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Men - 25
US - 12
England - 8
Canada - 2
Scotland - 1
New Zealand - 1
Sweden - 1
Debuted after 2000 - 1
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Human beings - 25
Best I can do.
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I think only one of mine is probably close to a lock for appearing in the aggregate 25. Another 4 that have a shot, but I suspect might just miss out.
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I’ve got 7-10 who I could see making the list, but only 3-4 who seem like locks.
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Ooh another metric...
3 growl/clean vocals
22 all clean vocals
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25 cleans for me.
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Ooh another metric...
3 growl/clean vocals
22 all clean vocals
Noob. I did that several pages ago.
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I couldn’t even tell you who Thom Yorke is.
-Thim
That's fair considering I had no clue who your number 1 singer was.
I'm about 99% sure I know who his #1 is, and I'm shocked....SHOCKED!!! that you don't know this singer... :corn
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24 from the Earth
1 from other world.
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24 from the Earth
1 from other world.
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/25f03e3c7c51903a74b68a863cb0dab4/tumblr_nhf2twrDe01qcf2rso1_1280.gif)
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I'm going to guess that 4 of mine will be on the list. I'm hoping it'll be at least 6 but it could be even less than 4.
3 of my singers do or have done harsh vocals.
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(https://www.famousbirthdays.com/faces/akerfeldt-mikael-image.jpg)
Highest ranked harsh vocalist, I'm calling it
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Singers who have performed on an Ayreon release: 8 (I think)
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Singers who have performed on an Ayreon release: 8 (I think)
2, as far as I know
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(https://www.famousbirthdays.com/faces/akerfeldt-mikael-image.jpg)
Highest ranked harsh vocalist, I'm calling it
I didn't know Buddyhunter could sing.
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Singers who have performed on an Ayreon release: 8 (I think)
If you extend it to Arjen projects in general, it's 7.
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Wow that’s some ugly facial hair.
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Singers who have performed on an Ayreon release: 8 (I think)
If you extend it to Arjen projects in general, it's 7.
I have no idea what those rosters look like, but I bet I have a couple.
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I think I got 4 Arjen singers... Also reminds me I totally forgot about Tommy when I made the list, he definitely would've earned a spot.
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After consulting Wiki, I have 2 Ayreon singers.
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Depending upon who is on your list, you might have even more with Star One.
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Depending upon who is on your list, you might have even more with Star One.
According to Wiki, there's three Star One albums, right? Well, none of those people made my list.
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Crap.. Forgot about Anneke too... And just realized I left off Suzuka Nakamura as well, that girl has one of the most dynamic voices around.
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With only a few hours to go for anyone to get in a list, a few things that surprised me:
-Steven Wilson did not make a single list. Given how popular he and Porcupine Tree are here, I figured a few people would find a way to squeeze him in, but no one has yet. He barely missed the cut for me.
-It took till last night for Meat Loaf to finally make a list. I guess I figured given his pedigree that he'd get a little more love, but this forum collectively appears to be way more into metal than anything else. That appears more than obvious when looking at the singers making these lists.
-Given how much pushback I got from Haken fans when I struggled to get into them years ago due to Ross Jennings' voice, the lack of support for him in this was glaring. He has made only two lists, with not making the top 20 in either.
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Interesting tidbits.
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Yeah, I'd thought Wilson would be in too, if only for the reason that a lot of people seem to figure that if they like the band so much, they must like the vocals too. I'm sure Geddy was on numerous lists. Maybe some people really do love his voice, but I have to wonder if Geddy sung over the music of a reasonably similar band they didn't like whether it would really improve their opinion of that band much.
Similar thing with Haken and Jennings. I used to be a lot more into them (even have a hoodie I still wear occasionally after having seen them live), but his voice is part of why I just don't listen to them nearly as much as I used to.
DTF does seem to have slid towards metal over time, but that almost seems true in the prog world at large. Many more bands getting heavier, downtuned or extended range guitars, double bass, sometimes growls, even some softer bands have beefed up their production over the years. And this is reflected in forum tastes, prog rock-only fans seem more of a minority now than they were in the 00s from my recollection.
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Yeah, even though genre labels can drive me a little bonkers, only four singers who are in bands that get the metal tag (as a main genre, meaning not counting bands who might have had a few songs some might call metal like Rush or Queen) made my top 25.
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I was one of the Jennings peeps, though he was low on my list. No SW for me though, while his music is genius, it's not because of his vocals. He's pretty meh as a singer overall.
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There's another counting game. I have 6-7 singers on my list who've never done metal.
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22 of mine are not metal singers.
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I have 25 Metal singers! :lol
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Another 10 of mine have done a significant non-metal release (and not just acoustic versions of a metal project).
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I’ve got 2 that I’m fairly confident metal fans would label as “metal” vocalists. Another 6 or 7 who might fit more in the hard rock label.
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Six Ayreon/Star One singers.
I guess 22 metal singers.
I love Geddy Lee's voice and it was part of what drew me to Rush in the first place.
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I'd say
7 or 8 metal singers
7 Ayreon sigers
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It may surprise some but I don't have 25 metal singers.
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Taylor Swift now has a better chance of making this than Steven Wilson, on a prog forum. Fucking love you DTF!
For the record, I'm not a fan of Taylor Swift but I love that people around here give zero fucks and unashamedly like what they like :metal
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It may surprise some but I don't have 25 metal singers.
Same!
In fact by my count about 10 on my list would fall outside the metal genre ;D
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The submissions period is over.
Now, the fun of tallying these up and starting the write-ups begins. :lol :lol
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The submissions period is over.
Now, the fun of tallying these up and starting the write-ups begins. :lol :lol
How many singers in total now?
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Thanks again to everyone who participated and submitted a list. The top 25 will be taken from 36 lists, with the posters listed below.
pg1067
elefantStone
wolfking
WardySI
Dave_Manchester
Animal
Tomislav95
SwedishGoose
ZirconBlue
LithoJazzoSphere
jingle.boy
Lethean
Stadler
The Realm
SeRoX
lonestar
Glasser
Metropolaris
DragonAttack
Samsara
devieira73
Zoom E
HOF
Puppies_On_Acid
coz
TAC
cramx3
Cool Chris
hefdaddy42
bosk1
Dream Team
CharlesPL
Adami
DTwwbwMP
twosuitslake
KevShmev
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The submissions period is over.
Now, the fun of tallying these up and starting the write-ups begins. :lol :lol
How many singers in total now?
374 singers total.
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The submissions period is over.
Now, the fun of tallying these up and starting the write-ups begins. :lol :lol
How many singers in total now?
374 singers total.
So the last 3 lists added 30 new singers... well done
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With only a few hours to go for anyone to get in a list, a few things that surprised me:
-Steven Wilson did not make a single list. Given how popular he and Porcupine Tree are here, I figured a few people would find a way to squeeze him in, but no one has yet. He barely missed the cut for me.
-It took till last night for Meat Loaf to finally make a list. I guess I figured given his pedigree that he'd get a little more love, but this forum collectively appears to be way more into metal than anything else. That appears more than obvious when looking at the singers making these lists.
-Given how much pushback I got from Haken fans when I struggled to get into them years ago due to Ross Jennings' voice, the lack of support for him in this was glaring. He has made only two lists, with not making the top 20 in either.
Meat's lack of inventory is the only thing that prevented him from making my list.
The other two points don't shock me at all, and somewhat validate my opinions of said two artists.
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Let's get a few fun facts out of the way early:
-There were two singers who were put at number 1 on a list and were not put on any other list: Marjan Welman and Mark Knopfler.
-To dispel the mystery now, Elvis Presley did not make the top 25; he finished 45th.
-Only four singers appeared on at least half of the 36 lists, and the high total was 26.
-Two different singers tied for being listed the most at number 1 (5 lists each).
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I have never heard of Marjan Welman.
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Let's get a few fun facts out of the way early:
-There were two singers who were put at number 1 on a list and were not put on any other list: Marjan Welman and Mark Knopfler.
-To dispel the mystery now, Elvis Presley did not make the top 25; he finished 45th.
-Only four singers appeared on at least half of the 36 lists, and the high total was 26.
-Two different singers tied for being listed the most at number 1 (5 lists each).
I'll bet Knopfler was Dave M's.
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Let's get a few fun facts out of the way early:
-There were two singers who were put at number 1 on a list and were not put on any other list: Marjan Welman and Mark Knopfler.
-To dispel the mystery now, Elvis Presley did not make the top 25; he finished 45th.
-Only four singers appeared on at least half of the 36 lists, and the high total was 26.
-Two different singers tied for being listed the most at number 1 (5 lists each).
I'll bet Knopfler was Dave M's.
Knopfler is a fantastic singer who compliments Dire Straits perfectly. I passed on doing a list but if I did he would be top 10, maybe top 5.
I'm not surprised to see that SW didn't make the list. His voice fits the style of music he writes perfectly but I've never thought "Wow, his voice really elevated that song!".
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Knopfler is my favorite guitarist but didn't even consider him for top 25 singer.
Said that, I wonder how many time I'll :facepalm: when I realize I forgot someone.
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I wonder how many time I'll :facepalm: when I realize I forgot someone.
I'm not worried about that happening for me.
There were only a couple of guys I wished I could've gotten on my list.
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Knopfler is my favorite guitarist but didn't even consider him for top 25 singer.
Said that, I wonder how many time I'll :facepalm: when I realize I forgot someone.
I was about to guess you were the other guy to send Knobler, but as you know any guess I make about you is wrong, so I should've known!
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-Two different singers tied for being listed the most at number 1 (5 lists each).
My number one should be one of those but probably isn"t
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I feel confident my number 1 will make the list. There are plenty of fans of the band on the forum, and I feel if you are a fan of this band, you'll rate him pretty highly, he has a great set of pipes.
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Let's get a few fun facts out of the way early:
-There were two singers who were put at number 1 on a list and were not put on any other list: Marjan Welman and Mark Knopfler.
For shame, DTF. For shame.
I was also the (apparently) lone vote for Meat Loaf, which surprises me a little.
As for Steven Wilson, I generally like his music in spite of his vocals rather than because of them, the exception being Grace For Drowning (his best album in my opinion), where I think his characterless voice actually suits the unsettling and fey tone of the record.
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-Two different singers tied for being listed the most at number 1 (5 lists each).
I find that amazing. I wouldn't have thought no one would have received more than 2 or 3 first place votes.
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Knopfler (overall) is always a tricky one for me, in that I have never really cared for Dire Straits, but his greatness as a guitarist is more than obvious. The main theme song from The Princess Bride (which he wrote and played) is nothing short of drop dead gorgeous.
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-Only four singers appeared on at least half of the 36 lists, and the high total was 26.
This REALLY surprises me. I expected diversity. But I could easily name around 10 or more that I would have thought would be common threads on most lists.
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I wonder if James LaBrie makes top 10. At least prime James.
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-Only four singers appeared on at least half of the 36 lists, and the high total was 26.
Off the top of my head, I'd say JLB and Freddie Mercury. It gets fuzzy after that
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I’m just hoping for no more spoilers until after #1 has been announced….
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I’m just hoping for no more spoilers until after #1 has been announced….
No worries, I just wanted to throw out a few fun facts today, but mum's the word till it's over. I will start it all tomorrow, with the intention to finish on Friday 12/09.
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I love Dire Straits and I love Knopfler but I didn't seriously consider him in my top 25.
Steve Wilson, same as above, love his music but he had no chance for me.
Meatloaf - well mixed feelings for me. I think he is great but if anyone saw him sing live at half time at the AFL (Australian Football League) Grand Final about 10 years ago is probably scarred for life as that vocal performance was beyond abysmal...
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I did not rank SW, as I don’t really like his voice and I’m only moderately interested in his music. I did give some consideration to his frequent collaborator, Tim Bowness, who’s voice and music I find more compelling.
Meatloaf is not somebody I’ve ever willingly listened to, and I only know one Dire Straits album (Love Over Gold - at Dave Manchester’s urging, which is pretty great) aside from the radio hits.
I do have a few guys on my list who, like Knopfler, are better known for their guitar playing (and who’s voices are somewhat divisive), but who’s voices are also a big part of the appeal for me.
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Mark Knopfler has worked with one of my 25 vocalists a number of times. A much better vocalist than him in my opinion, but Mark's a better guitarist.
Taylor Swift now has a better chance of making this than Steven Wilson, on a prog forum. Fucking love you DTF!
For the record, I'm not a fan of Taylor Swift but I love that people around here give zero fucks and unashamedly like what they like :metal
Yeah, I like a couple of songs, but otherwise don't particularly care about her, but I love that at least a portion of the prog community is past the "pop music sucks" elitist phase that had stuck to it for too long.
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Mark Knopfler? Wow, nice. On another note, Lemmy is the best of all time so no one needed to include him on a list, its a given. But you all knew that already.
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I thought the given was that The King won, we're just finding out who is in his shadow.
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Taylor Swift now has a better chance of making this than Steven Wilson, on a prog forum. Fucking love you DTF!
For the record, I'm not a fan of Taylor Swift but I love that people around here give zero fucks and unashamedly like what they like :metal
Yeah, I like a couple of songs, but otherwise don't particularly care about her, but I love that at least a portion of the prog community is past the "pop music sucks" elitist phase that had stuck to it for too long.
I have never been shy about expressing what I like and don't like, and I have long been a sucker for a good pop song, but ultimately if it is good (to me), I will like it. And I don't really consider Swift to be "pop music" in the narrow way is often expressed. I have her classified in my iTunes (where we can label artists by genre) as "singer/songwriter" (same as Springsteen) as she does enough variety that I don't think she can be pigeon-holed into one genre, but that's neither here nor there. :biggrin:
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Yeah, technically neither "pop" nor "singer-songwriter" are really genres (I mean, Death is technically singer-songwriter, Chuck sang the songs and also wrote them), it's more just the ability to embrace that it's ok to write songs with hooks that are catchy. Not everything has to always be abstract, cerebral, dissonant, and challenging. There's a place for both, sometimes in the same song at times.
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Yeah, technically neither "pop" nor "singer-songwriter" are really genres (I mean, Death is technically singer-songwriter, Chuck sang the songs and also wrote them), it's more just the ability to embrace that it's ok to write songs with hooks that are catchy. Not everything has to always be abstract, cerebral, dissonant, and challenging. There's a place for both, sometimes in the same song at times.
For sure.
I always say, if it was that easy to write hooks that the masses love, 95% of the artists/bands in the world would do it. Even though they largely stay in a realm that is outside of my musical world, Max Martin and Shellback are geniuses, as they have the knack to take a song someone else has written and tweak and produce it to where it becomes insanely catchy and a massive hit. That takes major talent to pull that off successfully.
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I only know one Dire Straits album (Love Over Gold - at Dave Manchester’s urging, which is pretty great) aside from the radio hits.
Glad you liked it! Knopfler has been my musical idol since I was a teenager. My favourite guitarist, singer and song-writer. Vocally I love how he brings the stories of his songs to life. A song like Skateaway, for example, the joy of the 'narrator' at something so simple as seeing a pretty girl in rollerskates (it was the 80s) is so, I dunno, 'authentic' somehow, like he's living it in the moment. He has a story-teller's voice. Knopfler always tried to weave his own working class geography into his songs and it all just speaks to me so deeply. Since he apparently isn't gonna appear on the final list, I just wanted to pay him this 'lil tribute.
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I wonder how many time I'll :facepalm: when I realize I forgot someone.
I'm not worried about that happening for me.
There were only a couple of guys I wished I could've gotten on my list.
I’m still trying to get past Debbie Harry not making your list.
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I wonder how many time I'll :facepalm: when I realize I forgot someone.
I'm not worried about that happening for me.
There were only a couple of guys I wished I could've gotten on my list.
I’m still trying to get past Debbie Harry not making your list.
Hah! I never even considered her. I think I ended up nominating only like 28 to make a 25 man list.
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I like this version of Debbie, when she was working with H.R. Giger.
(https://preview.redd.it/z7rhp60xnlc91.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=e131df16f0a012107db4ff34af7ce9445606ad47)
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Her version of Rainbow Connection with Kermit the Frog is a real tear-jerker:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=h0Hd3uWKFKY
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Her version of Rainbow Connection with Kermit the Frog is a real tear-jerker:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=h0Hd3uWKFKY
:metal :metal
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Her version of Rainbow Connection with Kermit the Frog is a real tear-jerker:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=h0Hd3uWKFKY
Don't even need to wonder why she was my first real crush... :hearts:
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I thought the given was that The King won, we're just finding out who is in his shadow.
(https://i.etsystatic.com/25424455/r/il/d24578/3178600347/il_794xN.3178600347_l3b9.jpg)
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I only know one Dire Straits album (Love Over Gold - at Dave Manchester’s urging, which is pretty great) aside from the radio hits.
Glad you liked it! Knopfler has been my musical idol since I was a teenager. My favourite guitarist, singer and song-writer. Vocally I love how he brings the stories of his songs to life. A song like Skateaway, for example, the joy of the 'narrator' at something so simple as seeing a pretty girl in rollerskates (it was the 80s) is so, I dunno, 'authentic' somehow, like he's living it in the moment. He has a story-teller's voice. Knopfler always tried to weave his own working class geography into his songs and it all just speaks to me so deeply. Since he apparently isn't gonna appear on the final list, I just wanted to pay him this 'lil tribute.
I think you're the first who is even more fascinated by him here than I am ;D glad to see it :tup
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I only know one Dire Straits album (Love Over Gold - at Dave Manchester’s urging, which is pretty great) aside from the radio hits.
Glad you liked it! Knopfler has been my musical idol since I was a teenager. My favourite guitarist, singer and song-writer. Vocally I love how he brings the stories of his songs to life. A song like Skateaway, for example, the joy of the 'narrator' at something so simple as seeing a pretty girl in rollerskates (it was the 80s) is so, I dunno, 'authentic' somehow, like he's living it in the moment. He has a story-teller's voice. Knopfler always tried to weave his own working class geography into his songs and it all just speaks to me so deeply. Since he apparently isn't gonna appear on the final list, I just wanted to pay him this 'lil tribute.
I think you're the first who is even more fascinated by him here than I am ;D glad to see it :tup
Knopfler did not make my list despite me loving him and despite Dire Straits beeing one of the first major bands I saw live.
I love his voice and I think he uses it really well but I would not call him a great singer. A great singer-songwriter yes,but not a great singer.
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And away we go!!! :metal :metal
25 Mikael Akerfeldt
(https://media.tenor.com/NC9XkRRwynoAAAAC/opeth-mikael%C3%A5kerfeldt.gif)
Appeared on 8 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (Tomislav95, LithoJazzoSphere)
3 Top 10 Finishes
I'm a fan, but he went unranked for me. He strikes me as being similar to his pal Steven Wilson in that his singing is nothing special, with it being perfect for the music he writes, but I suspect he got much more support due to his growling from the past.
24 Peter Gabriel
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BeautifulPhonyFawn-max-1mb.gif)
Appeared on 7 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (Metropolaris)
4 Top 10 Finishes
Huge fan here. I ranked him 7th. He was a little raw in the Genesis days, but there was still a charm to his singing, and it got even better once he went the solo route. There is a roughness to his unique voice that is so darn appealing.
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I really like Mikael, I'm happy he made the list. The dudes growls are impeccable and his clean voice really adds to the atmosphere of Opeth.
I would've never thought of Peter Gabriel, I just don't know his music enough to form an opinion either way.
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Well, everyone knows where I stand on growls, so no surprise the Akerfeldt never even got a sniff of consideration. While I enjoy everything from PG, I'm not sure he'd crack my Top 50 as a "favorite".
Kev... I'm not sure if you've normally done this since I didn't participate in your other countdowns, but when all is said and done, are you going to share the list of the 300+ that didn't make it, with any accompanying stats?
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Jingle just curious what do you think of Mikael's clean singing voice?
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Funny enough.... I have them just like that only a bit higher.
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Bought Morningrise on a whim because I liked the cover and the song titles and a sticker said for those who like Dream Theater.
Loved his clean voice from the get go... got to love his growls after getting used.
Seen Opeth 7 times now.
Peter Gabriel..... one of my favorite song writers but not as high in the voice department.
Never got to see him live with Genesis but 3 times so far solo and a forth booked for next year.
His Secret World tour still holds my number one favorite concert spots.
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Neither on my list. Fun start though and not surprising at all.
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Had one... Never was a huge Opeth fan, so he obviously didn't make my list.
23- Gabriel
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Opeth is a band I can only listen to in small doses. Having said that I think MÅ has a great voice. He did not make my top 25 though.
Peter Gabriel is among my favorites primarily due to the 4 classic lineup-era Genesis albums, which are among my favorite albums ever. I’ll admit I’ve only dipped my toe into his solo work, but his time with Genesis was something magical.
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Jingle just curious what do you think of Mikael's clean singing voice?
Hard to have much of an opinion, as I just never tried Opeth much. There's one album I think that is mostly/all cleans?? If so, I did give that one a try, and was mostly underwhelmed.
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Neither made my list. I never liked Mikael's harsh vocals and his cleans are fine, but nothing really special (for me).
I like Peter Gabriel's voice on the solo stuff I've heard, which isn't all that much.
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A little disappointed he’s this low, but just happy that Gabriel made the list. He came in at number 7 for me. Between Genesis and his solo work, he’s one of my favorite artists, and his voice is a big part of it. He has such a distinct style and warmth, even if he’s not a great technical singer. That mix of his gravely lower register and that sort of falsetto high end is really effective. Just a great range of sounds and so much personality in his voice.
Don’t have much to say for MA. I wouldn’t willingly listen to heavy Opeth, but Damnation is a nice album. He didn’t blow me away as a clean vocalist, but I find his voice to be pleasant enough. Not surprised he made the list though.
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I'm only really familiar with Boston's hits and had no clue what the singers name was. No I know :lol
McCartney made #19 on my list. I love The Beatles, they are one of my earliest musical memories, and my Dad's favourite band :heart
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Neither made my list. I never liked Mikael's harsh vocals and his cleans are fine, but nothing really special (for me).
But he did vocals for Katatonia, surely that counts for something :lol
Certainly does. I gave him yet more listens after finding out about that - still didn't help but I tried. :) I certainly don't begrudge him making the list.
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Had Peter Gabriel at #7. Each time one of my picks appears I'll give my top 3 vocal performances by that singer (not necessarily the same as my favourite songs by them), so that maybe people who aren't familiar but want to explore can do so. Maybe other folk can do the same for their picks, since discovering new music is one of the things these threads are about and I'm sure there'll be singers on this list that I've never even heard of.
My top 3 Gabriel vocal performances:
1.Mercy Street
2.Here Comes The Flood (Robert Fripp version)
3.Secret World
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Neither Mikael Åkerfeldt or Peter Gabriel made my list. Their names didn't even surface in my thinking when thinking of favorite singers. Both are fine for what they do. I'm a Genesis and Peter Gabriel solo fan, but like I said, he didn't even come up in my process. Not really much of an Opeth fan.
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Had Peter Gabriel at #7. Each time one of my picks appears I'll give my top 3 vocal performances by that singer (not necessarily the same as my favourite songs by them), so that maybe people who aren't familiar but want to explore can do so. Maybe other folk can do the same for their picks, since discovering new music is one of the things these threads are about and I'm sure there'll be singers on this list that I've never even heard of.
My top 3 Gabriel vocal performances:
1.Mercy Street
2.Here Comes The Flood (Robert Fripp version)
3.Secret World
Nice idea, I'll check those out :tup
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Had Peter Gabriel at #7. Each time one of my picks appears I'll give my top 3 vocal performances by that singer (not necessarily the same as my favourite songs by them), so that maybe people who aren't familiar but want to explore can do so. Maybe other folk can do the same for their picks, since discovering new music is one of the things these threads are about and I'm sure there'll be singers on this list that I've never even heard of.
My top 3 Gabriel vocal performances:
1.Mercy Street
2.Here Comes The Flood (Robert Fripp version)
3.Secret World
Nice, same rank for both of us! Definitely agree with those 3 tracks being great performances (I might go with the Greatest Hits version of Here Comes The Flood just vocally, but I do think the Fripp version is the definitive arrangement of that song). I’ll nominate these 3:
1. Wallflower
2. Red Rain
3. Washing of the Water
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Peter Gabriel is a vocalist that slowly grows on me over time. I was someone who favored pop Genesis over prog Genesis initially, so I preferred Collins. They really sound kind of similar though, so as my appreciation for early Genesis and solo Gabriel keeps going up I could see him rising. Neither is anywhere near my top 25 though. Possibly a top 100.
but I suspect he got much more support due to his growling from the past.
He probably would have made my list even just based on his cleans. Part of the reason I was more ok than some with their decision to leave the extreme metal influences behind is because I think his singing voice is stellar. He's also my favorite growler, so that just adds a cherry on the top.
There's one album I think that is mostly/all cleans?? If so, I did give that one a try, and was mostly underwhelmed.
Damnation was the trial run for an album of all cleans. They'd had and continued to have other all-cleans songs as well, but starting with Heritage, the last four have all been cleans-only.
Each time one of my picks appears I'll give my top 3 vocal performances by that singer (not necessarily the same as my favourite songs by them), so that maybe people who aren't familiar but want to explore can do so. Maybe other folk can do the same for their picks, since discovering new music is one of the things these threads are about and I'm sure there'll be singers on this list that I've never even heard of.
Yep, I've done writeups for each of mine, particularly since a bunch won't be that familiar to people here. Here's mine for him.
2: Mikael Akerfeldt
Bands - Opeth, Bloodbath, Storm Corrosion, others
Guest appearances - Katatonia, Ayreon, Edge of Sanity, others
From - Sweden
Other song highlights - Opeth "Hours of Wealth", Bloodbath "Blasting the Virginborn", Ayreon "Trauma"
Such a tremendous influence on the development of my musical taste. More than any other, he's the one that wore me down and convinced me that harsh vocals were a viable form of musical expression. It helps that his clean singing is just as good.
Listening:
Opeth - "Demon of the Fall"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP2Lm1GcWAQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP2Lm1GcWAQ)
In Action:
Opeth - "Harvest"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OyD9hacXBQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OyD9hacXBQ)
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Neither made my list.
Peter Gabriel is a vocalist that slowly growls on me over time.
Yeah, but his clean vox tho!
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Not surprised about Mikael. He's a great singer. I just am not a big Opeth fan so he didn't really come to mind for my personal favorites, but I really do enjoy his vocals. I have no interest in Peter Gabriel.
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Peter Gabriel is a vocalist that slowly growls on me over time.
Yeah, but his clean vox tho!
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Neither made my list, but I love both artists.
Too much growling for Akerfeldt to be considered by me for this, and Gabriel's voice just isn't that good, the way that I think of good voices (although certainly effective). I never even thought about him when assembling my list.
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25 Mikael Akerfeldt
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24 Peter Gabriel
Akerfeldt is the Opeth guy, right? (checking Wikipedia...) Yup. My only exposure to him was when they opened for DT on Prog Nation 2008 (I think). My friend and I had been at the lobby bar and walked in to see what this band was all about. As soon as he opened his mouth, we laughed and walked out to have another drink.
I didn't rank Peter Gabriel, but I really like his voice. I'm not the hugest fan of Gabriel-era Genesis (a LOT of it is a bit too out there for the most part) and have only liked a small handful of his solo stuff. If he had sung on the material from Trick through Abacab, he might have made my list.
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Had Mikael at #2 and it's about 80% due to his cleans. Tbh I'm surprised others don't feel that way. Absolutely love his natural voice/timbre even though it's quite limited. But every line he ever sang is special for me. I guess it's also due to me liking his writing style.
When it comes to his harsh vocals I like it the most on Opeth's Still Life. Honorable mention to his work with Bloodbath, sounds so brutal there.
Didn't rank Peter Gabriel but I'm not disappointed at all, I love early Genesis.
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There's one album I think that is mostly/all cleans?? If so, I did give that one a try, and was mostly underwhelmed.
Damnation was the trial run for an album of all cleans. They'd had and continued to have other all-cleans songs as well, but starting with Heritage, the last four have all been cleans-only.
Ok, so which album would you recommend I try to give them a final kick at the can?
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That's really hard to say, since I don't know that much about your tastes. Damnation is my favorite of them, but if you've already heard that I'm not sure hearing it again is going to work for you. Heritage is my favorite of the newer ones, but it's the most idiosyncratic of them. I'd say that the latest, In cauda venenum, is probably the safest bet for the widest range of tastes.
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I'd start with the latest or Pale Communion, they are much more diverse than Damnation. Damnation is damn good, as well.
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The Swedish version of In Cauda Veneum...
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On that one I don't have a preference for my own listening. It's fun for a change, and I prefer native tongue vocals sometimes for other bands (Night Crowned and Noumena come right to mind), but I'm used to him singing in English, so I like both. For someone who is on the fence about them though, unless jingle is a big fan of non-English vocals, that might present an additional unnecessary obstacle.
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The Swedish version of In Cauda Veneum...
Might as well be growls. :neverusethis:
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Well, there we go... :)
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:rollin :rollin
The Swedish version of In Cauda Veneum...
Might as well be growls. :neverusethis:
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Neither on my list. Wouldn't even consider either for "top 50" but congrats to them! ;)
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I have to say, if Akerfeldt barely made the top 25, I'm starting to think he might be the only one of mine in the collective top 25.
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I really enjoy Opeth, but would have a hard time picking Mikael as a favourite vocalist. That’s not a style of singing I would rate highly, though I do enjoy the offsetting harsh and clean vocals.
I didn't rank Peter Gabriel either. His voice is okay.
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Another counting game, I think I have at least six vocalists who have mixing harsh and clean vocals as part of their signature style, some more than others.
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Had Mikael at #2 and it's about 80% due to his cleans. Tbh I'm surprised others don't feel that way. Absolutely love his natural voice/timbre even though it's quite limited. But every line he ever sang is special for me. I guess it's also due to me liking his writing style.
When it comes to his harsh vocals I like it the most on Opeth's Still Life. Honorable mention to his work with Bloodbath, sounds so brutal there.
I love Mikael, but I don't necessarily think his clean vocals are the best. I love the way he sings but the biggest reason he ranks so high for me is his range! I think he's incredible because he can go from those cleans to the intense harsh vocals. I think Opeth balance those two vocal styles (or they used to) better than any other band. It all fits so seamlessly with the music, it's just flawless, especially on Ghost Reveries.
There are definitely a few vocalists that made it into my ranking because of their versatility.
For that reason Kyo from Dir en Grey nearly made my top 25. He's not necessarily my favourite based on one style of vocal, but the sheer range he his is so impressive he was definitely in the running.
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The tiebreaker will be whoever has the most songs on their list that were also on my list. :biggrin:
Note: having Billy Joel, Taylor Swift and/or Thom Yorke on your list will help your cause. :P :P
Thom Yorke ought not be within forty miles of this list. Please. Horrible.
I'll have four.
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The Swedish version of In Cauda Veneum...
Might as well be growls. :neverusethis:
I'm assuming it sounds like the Swedish Chef.
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Had Peter Gabriel at #7. Each time one of my picks appears I'll give my top 3 vocal performances by that singer (not necessarily the same as my favourite songs by them), so that maybe people who aren't familiar but want to explore can do so. Maybe other folk can do the same for their picks, since discovering new music is one of the things these threads are about and I'm sure there'll be singers on this list that I've never even heard of.
My top 3 Gabriel vocal performances:
1.Mercy Street
2.Here Comes The Flood (Robert Fripp version)
3.Secret World
I was thinking about doing this as well. Great idea!!
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Had Peter Gabriel at #7. Each time one of my picks appears I'll give my top 3 vocal performances by that singer (not necessarily the same as my favourite songs by them), so that maybe people who aren't familiar but want to explore can do so. Maybe other folk can do the same for their picks, since discovering new music is one of the things these threads are about and I'm sure there'll be singers on this list that I've never even heard of.
My top 3 Gabriel vocal performances:
1.Mercy Street
2.Here Comes The Flood (Robert Fripp version)
3.Secret World
I was thinking about doing this as well. Great idea!!
I checked out these songs. Let's just say nothing made me second guess my list :lol
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If I had made top 100 list Mikael wouldn't have make it. Just an ordinary, simple voice. A voice that suits Opeth sound for sure but nothing more. Peter Gabriel is just a name that didn't come to my mind at first but when I think about him I would rank it top 50 for his solo albums. I don't like his Genesis period.
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I considered Peter, but he didn't make the list. I thought about him a lot but I just couldn't pick another singer to boot for him.
Akerfeldt wasn't even a blip on the radar.
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I didn't rate either. I thought Akerfeldt would do a bit better, actually, with all of the Opeth love around here.
I've hesitated on them because I not only don't like his growls, but I think his cleans are pretty bad too.
And Peter Gabriel...I'll be polite and simply state that he didn't make my list.
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If I had made top 100 list Mikael wouldn't have make it. Just an ordinary, simple voice. A voice that suits Opeth sound for sure but nothing more. Peter Gabriel is just a name that didn't come to my mind at first but when I think about him I would rank it top 50 for his solo albums. I don't like his Genesis period.
Ain't nothing ordinary about those growls. They are the pinnacle of growls for me :hefdaddy
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I didn’t submit a list but I’m very curious to see how this turns out.
I would not have considered either Akerfeldt or Gabriel for my list.
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Another counting game, I think I have at least six vocalists who have mixing harsh and clean vocals as part of their signature style, some more than others.
If you like the mix of harsh to clean vocals check out Darroh Sudderth from Fair to Midland:
https://youtu.be/KeafcZClGu0
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I have one singer on my list who can be “harsh” at times, but probably not the way people mean when they say harsh. I guess two if you count one particular scream as “harsh.”
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I got four who firmly rely on growls for half their output, and I highly doubt any will make the list. I'd be absolutely shocked actually.
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Akerfeldt - number 15 on my list. I love both his clean vocals and growls. His clean voice has developed over the years and some of his singing on the later Opeth albums is fantastic. I think this really started with Damnation, where his clean voice went to another level. I appreciate that everyone here doesn't like him but if you haven't heard much of his clean voice I would give the Damnation album a go.
Peter Gabriel - was never in consideration for me.
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Another counting game, I think I have at least six vocalists who have mixing harsh and clean vocals as part of their signature style, some more than others.
If you like the mix of harsh to clean vocals check out Darroh Sudderth from Fair to Midland:
https://youtu.be/KeafcZClGu0
I wouldn't personally call.these harsh vocals, more vocals with a hell of a lot of grit! I love thos album though and Darroh has a hell of a voice, no doubt.
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Kev... I'm not sure if you've normally done this since I didn't participate in your other countdowns, but when all is said and done, are you going to share the list of the 300+ that didn't make it, with any accompanying stats?
Yes.
Had Peter Gabriel at #7. Each time one of my picks appears I'll give my top 3 vocal performances by that singer (not necessarily the same as my favourite songs by them), so that maybe people who aren't familiar but want to explore can do so. Maybe other folk can do the same for their picks, since discovering new music is one of the things these threads are about and I'm sure there'll be singers on this list that I've never even heard of.
My top 3 Gabriel vocal performances:
1.Mercy Street
2.Here Comes The Flood (Robert Fripp version)
3.Secret World
Good idea for sure, but I will fully admit that there are a few singers that made the top 25 that I either do not like or have zero interest in checking out any further than I had prior, so there will be no top 3s from me on those. In fact, I kinda feel bad because my write-ups on them will be very, very short.
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25 Mikael Akerfeldt
Appeared on 8 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (Tomislav95, LithoJazzoSphere)
3 Top 10 Finishes
I'm a fan, but he went unranked for me. He strikes me as being similar to his pal Steven Wilson in that his singing is nothing special, with it being perfect for the music he writes, but I suspect he got much more support due to his growling from the past.
24 Peter Gabriel
Appeared on 7 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (Metropolaris)
4 Top 10 Finishes
Huge fan here. I ranked him 7th. He was a little raw in the Genesis days, but there was still a charm to his singing, and it got even better once he went the solo route. There is a roughness to his unique voice that is so darn appealing.
Off to a pretty good start!
Mikael Akerfeldt - I had him at #23. As others have said, he is pretty much the pinnacle of harsh vocals (at least the growling style), or at least he used to be, since he doesn't do that much these days. I also love the warmth and tone in his clean vocals.
Peter Gabriel - He was on my shortlist and was ranked at #60. Like a lot of you, I actually prefer his vocals in his solo stuff more than his Genesis stuff.
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Good start. For now, my top 25 corresponds to the collective one. I ranked Gabriel at 14 and Akerfeldt at 19.
Regarding Wilson/Akerfeldt comapriosons: I ranked Akerfeldt not due to his growls (as impressive as they are, they donť count in my book) but because his voice has a very nice warm timbre - even though it is not particulary outstanding in terms of power and range. Wilson's voice, on the other hand, is a perfect definition of bland (which is not a criticism, this bland quality suits his music perfectly...
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Interesting start as expected. I personally took an entirely different approach to my "25 Favorite Singers" as only a few of them represent my favorite bands or even bands I listen to regularly. My list of singers are influences to me as a vocalist myself even though I'm not a currently active singer. My vocal coach in the late 80's and early 90's was Ron Thal, aka, Bumblefoot, who has an incredible voice (as well as being a pretty amazing guitarist). So my list are mostly voices that had an early impact on me courtesy of my Mother and my Aunt who always had the best music playing at home and in the car constantly. :heart
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Interesting start as expected. I personally took an entirely different approach to my "25 Favorite Singers" as only a few of them represent my favorite bands or even bands I listen to regularly. My list of singers are influences to me as a vocalist myself even though I'm not a currently active singer. My vocal coach in the late 80's and early 90's was Ron Thal, aka, Bumblefoot, who has an incredible voice (as well as being a pretty amazing guitarist). So my list are mostly voices that had an early impact on me courtesy of my Mother and my Aunt who always had the best music playing at home and in the car constantly. :heart
That's cool will be interesting to see how your list transpires...
Neither of these first two made my list ;)
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You knew Ron Thal? That's awesome.
Another counting game, I think I have at least six vocalists who have mixing harsh and clean vocals as part of their signature style, some more than others.
If you like the mix of harsh to clean vocals check out Darroh Sudderth from Fair to Midland:
https://youtu.be/KeafcZClGu0 (https://youtu.be/KeafcZClGu0)
Yeah, I love Fair To Midland. I'm more into them instrumentally than vocally, but he's a cut above some of their peers.
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Double post.
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Next two!
23 Brad Delp
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Brad_Delp_%28cropped%29.jpg)
Appeared on 7 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 3 (DTwwbwMP)
3 Top 10 Finishes
What a voice! He is probably the one singer who make my top 25 despite lack of quantity (I literally own three albums where he sings, the first three Boston albums), but his performances were so out of this world that he still finished 14th for me. Boston was always one of those bands that I never heard performed at karaoke, likely because no one wanted to attempt to sing his vocal parts. Good luck singing More Than a Feeling and it not becoming a train wreck.
22 Paul McCartney
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Appeared on 7 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (DragonAttack)
4 Top 10 Finishes
I love the Beatles, but McCartney did not make the cut for me. I think I slightly prefer the voice of John Lennon, although I think McCartney was the more consistent songwriter, but he didn't make my top 25 either. The greatness of the Beatles goes without saying, and it is nice to see they got representation in this top 25.
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Delp would have definitely made my list, McCartney would not have.
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I'm only really familiar with Boston's hits and had no clue what the singers name was. Now I know :lol
McCartney made #19 on my list. I love The Beatles, they are one of my earliest musical memories, and my Dad's favourite band :heart
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Delp's lack of inventory is what relegated him to honorable mention for me. I really struggled to *not* include him. Sir Paul... good singer sure, but there's easily 50 more I'd put ahead of him.
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My appreciation for Brad really grew after watching Rick Beatos video on More Than A Feeling and he isolated the vocal tracks. I ended up going back and listened to some Boston focusing on the vocals and was really taken back.
The last thing I think about when it comes to Paul McCartney are his vocals. They aren't bad but he isn't really bringing anything great to the table IMO. Pretty forgettable.
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Had Delp fairly high, such a tremendous voice. Didn't have Sir Paul.
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10- Brad Delp
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Never heard od Delp - Boston is not that well know here in the Central Europe. I know More Than a Feeling but it was always in the category "I-know-the-song-but-have-no-idea-who-the-artist-is".
I considered Sir Paul for a while but ultimately, he fell in the same category as Steven Wilson. A great, great musician and songwriter and solid singer (just a bit more distinctive than SW) - but vocals are not among the first things that come to your mind when you hear his name.
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Neither made my list. Brad is a stellar vocalist, and Sir Paul I’ve always appreciated more for his song writing than singing.
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Two more not on my list. I've never heard of Brad Delp. And Paul McCartney's voice is just ok.
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McCartney #7 for me, only vocalist on my list so far. Legend.
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Two more not on my list. I've never heard of Brad Delp.
:omg:
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Two more great singer for sure, but neither were on my list. Delp and Boston in general fall under the category of being excellent sonically but not really striking an emotional chord with me. I know the hits and that’s always been enough for me. One of the great voices in rock though, so not surprised he’s here.
McCartney seemed like a given for the list, but I guess I’m not surprised he’s this low. For me it’s mostly a case of appreciating the Beatles more than I love them, and I’ve never gotten into Wings or his solo stuff either. One thing I appreciate about him is he can sound like a totally different singer on any given song. Compare something like Blackbird with Oh Darling or Golden Slumbers or Hey Jude. Just a very versatile voice.
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I have 25 Metal singers! :lol
I think a top 25 singers countdown should really be done by genre. That's why I didn't do this. :dunno:
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Two more not on my list. I've never heard of Brad Delp.
:omg:
Well it doesn't look like I'm the only one. :p
I have heard More Than a Feeling, and probably others though maybe not by title as I'm not really recognizing anything else.
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I'm only really familiar with Boston's hits and had no clue what the singers name was. Now I know :lol
Yeah, I really enjoy Boston's music but I only know a handful of songs. I always thought the singer was good, but never knew his name or had much reason to look into the band further because there's just not a lot of music from him. My father loves Boston and took me to see them, but it was after his death.
I'm not a beatles fan, Paul was never a thought for me.
Still no one on my list.
Same.
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None of them on my list....
Delp could possibly have made it if I had thought of him.
Haven't listened to Boston in ages but yeah..... great singer
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I had neither Delp or McCartney ranked, but I did have Delp just under the cut line at #26 or #27 if I recall. AMAZING singer.
Love McCartney. Really strong singer. Beautiful harmonies with The Beatles.
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None of them on my 25 top list. Considered Delp but not enough for my 25. McCartney... Well, he is OK.
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Never heard of the Brad lad. McCartney I had at #15.
Favourite 3 Macca vocal performances:
1. Let It Be
2. Helter Skelter
3. Here, There and Everywhere
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My father loves Boston and took me to see them, but it was after his death.
:eek
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Very talented guys in very different ways, but not particular favorites of mine. Kind of surprised to see several people who didn't even know who Delp was though.
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Very talented guys in very different ways, but not particular favorites of mine. Kind of surprised to see several people who didn't even know who Delp was though.
I've heard of Boston. I know More than a Feeling, but that might be about it. Probably another few that I didn't know were Boston, but I couldn't name a single member.
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Who voted Delp? No one seems to have heard of him :lol
Someone mentioned Golden Slumbers early. Honestly that is my all time favourite Macca performance :hefdaddy it is just so good.
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I had Delp at # 7. Phenomenal singer.
I'm surprised to see McCartney ranked at all. He's not what I would consider to be a great singer. I never even considered him for a spot.
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Brad Delp - definitely worthy of making the list. He was on my shortlist, but only make it to #58.
Paul McCartney - never even considered him. I like the Beatles and Wings, but McCartney wouldn't even make my top 100 vocalists.... Probably... :dunno:
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True story. I got to jam with Brad Delp when I was 15 in my friend's basement. My brother, now lives in the town Brad lived in for so many years after Boston's popularity. Atkinson, N.H.
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Yay!! One of my guys made it!
I had Brad Delp at #15. As Kev noted, he's totally a quality over quantity guy. Absolutely an amazing singer.
McCartney was a quandary for me. I thought about including him (he's my favorite Beatles vocalist), but I ultimately didn't. In retrospect, he MIGHT have made it at the bottom of the list, but I don't feel much heartburn about it (even though he's my namesake).
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I'm honestly shocked so many people don't know Delp. Maybe because he basically disappeared in the early 90s, but for those of us that listened to the 70s and 80s music (here in NA) as it happened, he was pretty much on par with Freddie as far as vocal pedigree goes.
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I'm honestly shocked so many people don't know Delp. Maybe because he basically disappeared in the early 90s, but for those of us that listened to the 70s and 80s music (here in NA) as it happened, he was pretty much on par with Freddie as far as vocal pedigree goes.
I came in to express this exact sentiment, he's the only one I'd put in Freddie's class, along with Floor. Everyone else, talent wise, is playing for second.
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Shouldn't Geoff Tate be on that list? I didn't have him on mine but probably should have; the whole split with QR and the spitting and stuff is still too much in my mind I guess.
But if I were to attempt objectivity, I would have had Tate at the top (of singers I actually listen to).
As for Brad Delp, I dunno. If I've heard the name before I don't remember.
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Classic rock is a thing of the past. Kid's today control what they listen to. Radio is a thing of the past.
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Shouldn't Geoff Tate be on that list? I didn't have him on mine but probably should have; the whole split with QR and the spitting and stuff is still too much in my mind I guess.
But if I were to attempt objectivity, I would have had Tate at the top (of singers I actually listen to).
Objectivity lists are pretty futile. If anything you'd have to go by style, vocal technique is very different for rock vs. pop vs. opera vs. jazz vs. country vs. hip-hop, etc. Most vocal coaches would have Tate up fairly high though, and I suspect watching reaction videos would bear that out.
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Classic rock is a thing of the past. Kid's today control what they listen to. Radio is a thing of the past.
Funny thing though, 70-year-olds like Springsteen, Daltrey, Elton etc etc still tour and sell out and play 2+ hrs putting on a great show to an enthralled audience. Imagine someone like Justin Bieber touring at 75. What's the target audience for that , 65 year old women that haven't had a date in 30 years? :lol Today's music is meant to spend 10 minutes on the chart and then be forgotten forever.
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Well there’s two people I wouldn’t consider for a list.
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Shouldn't Geoff Tate be on that list? I didn't have him on mine but probably should have; the whole split with QR and the spitting and stuff is still too much in my mind I guess.
But if I were to attempt objectivity, I would have had Tate at the top (of singers I actually listen to).
Objectivity lists are pretty futile. If anything you'd have to go by style, vocal technique is very different for rock vs. pop vs. opera vs. jazz vs. country vs. hip-hop, etc. Most vocal coaches would have Tate up fairly high though, and I suspect watching reaction videos would bear that out.
Totally agree that it would be futile. But that if someone were evaluating ability which is what I think was going on with Freddie and Brad Delp, Geoff Tate should be part of that conversation based on what vocal teacher types have told me.
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Classic rock is a thing of the past. Kid's today control what they listen to. Radio is a thing of the past.
Funny thing though, 70-year-olds like Springsteen, Daltrey, Elton etc etc still tour and sell out and play 2+ hrs putting on a great show to an enthralled audience. Imagine someone like Justin Bieber touring at 75. What's the target audience for that , 65 year old women that haven't had a date in 30 years? :lol Today's music is meant to spend 10 minutes on the chart and then be forgotten forever.
I've thought about that a million times but I remember my dad mocking me about Kiss and they are still playing. I think the medium is affecting listening habits these days.
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I mean, Elvis was initially dismissed as a trendy fad for teenboppers that wouldn't last, and look how we've spent half the thread arguing about him. :)
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True story. I got to jam with Brad Delp when I was 15 in my friend's basement. My brother, now lives in the town Brad lived in for so many years after Boston's popularity. Atkinson, N.H.
Holy shit that's awesome. I'm not surprised some folks here haven't heard of him or don't know enough of what he sang on. Obviously the first three Boston albums. Then there was RTZ. Folks should check it out. Brad was incredible. Gone way too soon. I'm actually ashamed of myself that he didn't make my final 25. But he just missed, as I said. probably 26 or 27.
re: Geoff Tate
I'll be surprised if he doesn't make the list. Obviously, he's extremely high on my list, considering his prime years (1983-1992). What a walking vocal masterclass for range and control.
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I'm sure a lot more people know Boston's music than know Brad Delp by name. He's not somebody who was really notorious as a front man or celebrity. I'm guessing Tom Scholz would get a similar reaction if we were ranking guitarists.
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I'm not surprised some of our younger members don't know Brad Delp by name.
I thought long and hard about Delp, and while his lack of material does hurt him, I included another singer on my list with about the same, basically because of my listening ratio.
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I'm sure a lot more people know Boston's music than know Brad Delp by name. He's not somebody who was really notorious as a front man or celebrity. I'm guessing Tom Scholz would get a similar reaction if we were ranking guitarists.
This.
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Brad Delp - I never considered for my top 25 but I have heard of him. I just don't really listen to any of his music and he has no influence on me but I appreciate he is a great vocalist.
Paul McCartney - number 18 for me. Just really love his voice and of course his musical output.
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Two more not on my list. I've never heard of Brad Delp. And Paul McCartney's voice is just ok.
You've got to fix that first one. He was on four Boston albums (the fourth blows), and a LOT of work with Barry Goudreau, original Boston lead
guitarist (Goudreau's solo album, the album "Delp and Goudreau", the band Orion The Hunter, and RTZ).
Both made my list; both are solid as a rock, IMO.
Best vocal performances:
Brad Delp:
1. More Than A Feeling (that vocal part at the end of the third verse where he sings "I closed my eyes and she slipped away.... she slipped away" and he carries the note, modulates up, then at the very end modulates up AGAIN... gives me shivers every time).
2. Don't Look Back (the layers and layers of vocals add up to something amazing)
3. Long Time (the scatting after the guitar solo is excellent)
HM: Hollyann
Paul McCartney:
1. Maybe I'm Amazed
2. Oh! Darling
3. My Love
HM: Fool On The Hill
Each one is pretty interesting, but the fact that he did ALL of those - and recreated all of them live at various times in his career - is testament to his ability. One of the great things about McCartney is, he's the bass player of vocalists, in that he knows EXACTLY how to support the people around him; some of his greatest work is doing backgrounds behind John (also a great singer, who didn't make my list for various reasons).
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Two more not on my list. I've never heard of Brad Delp. And Paul McCartney's voice is just ok.
You've got to fix that first one. He was on four Boston albums (the fourth blows), and a LOT of work with Barry Goudreau, original Boston lead
guitarist (Goudreau's solo album, the album "Delp and Goudreau", the band Orion The Hunter, and RTZ).
Just to clarify - I have heard More Than a Feeling and like the vocals on it. I just didn't know his name.
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You've got to fix that first one. He was on four Boston albums (the fourth blows), and a LOT of work with Barry Goudreau, original Boston lead
guitarist (Goudreau's solo album, the album "Delp and Goudreau", the band Orion The Hunter, and RTZ).
I think calling him the "original Boston lead guitarist" is an overstatement and a slight to Tom Scholz. While Goudreau was credited for "lead & rhythm guitars" on the debut album, he didn't play on it, and I'm not sure how much, if at all, he played on Don't Look Back (he's credited for "lead and slide guitar and percussion).
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You knew Ron Thal? That's awesome.
Another counting game, I think I have at least six vocalists who have mixing harsh and clean vocals as part of their signature style, some more than others.
If you like the mix of harsh to clean vocals check out Darroh Sudderth from Fair to Midland:
https://youtu.be/KeafcZClGu0 (https://youtu.be/KeafcZClGu0)
Yeah, I love Fair To Midland. I'm more into them instrumentally than vocally, but he's a cut above some of their peers.
We still keep in touch. Great dude!
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Nobody from my list has turned up yet. I forgot about Brad Delp when making my list, but it's unlikely he would have made the cut, even though he has a stellar voice.
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I have 25 Metal singers! :lol
I think a top 25 singers countdown should really be done by genre. That's why I didn't do this. :dunno:
You're not serious, right?
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2 solid choices; neither one made my list.
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I had Brad Delp at 13.
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I had Macca @ 7 & Delp @ 3
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True story. I got to jam with Brad Delp when I was 15 in my friend's basement. My brother, now lives in the town Brad lived in for so many years after Boston's popularity. Atkinson, N.H.
Holy shit that's awesome. I'm not surprised some folks here haven't heard of him or don't know enough of what he sang on. Obviously the first three Boston albums. Then there was RTZ. Folks should check it out. Brad was incredible. Gone way too soon. I'm actually ashamed of myself that he didn't make my final 25. But he just missed, as I said. probably 26 or 27.
I've got the RTZ debut, and it is great. I was yesterday years old when I found out they had a 2nd one.
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In the interest of giving this Delp guy a shot, I'm currently listening to Boston's debut for the first time in my life.
I hope you're happy fogeys, this is all your doing!
Edit: WELP
Double edit: SEND HELP
Triple edit: BRAD FUCKIN' DELP!
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21 Layne Staley
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Appeared on 8 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (coz)
4 Top 10 Finishes
Outside of a few songs, I am not really an Alice in Chains fan, but I can see and hear why many have great love for his voice. He's just not a singer that comes to mind for me when thinking of great ones.
20 Einar Solberg
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Appeared on 6 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (Animal)
6 Top 10 Finishes
This is one I had to look up who it was when I saw his name appear on a few lists. He finished in the top 10 for all six people who put him on theirs, which is why he squeezed into the top 25. I didn't really dig Leprous when I saw them open for Haken a few years ago.
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Layne Staley? That's an interesting pick. Never really thought of him.
The dude from Leprous? Is that right? I've tried them and they did nothing for me, especially vocally. I'm kind of surprised to see this pick.
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Yeah, Solberg definitely benefited from 3,391 singers being listed across all the lists, as it all took was ending up in the top 10 of all six who listed him to get enough points to make the top 25. No one else made the top 25 by appearing on such a small number of lists.
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I would definitely have put Einar on my list, somewhere in Top 15 maybe. I like his voice a lot.
Had no idea who both Brad Delp and Layne Staley were before this thread. :P
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Layne wasn't anywhere near my list, the only Alice in Chains album I own is Dirt. It's a good album but I never even considered him.
Fuck yea for Einar! This gives me some hope that a few other picks of mine may actually make this list. Einar's vocals are incredible and alongside Baard's drumming, the reason I adore Leprous.
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I had Staley at # 19, although if I'm being honest, in retrospect I would have left him off. What made AIC so awesome vocally was not Staley's voice alone, but the ungodly harmonies forged by Staley and Cantrell, no matter which one was singing lead at the time. And you can't put them both in one slot.
Never heard Solberg, so I can't say.
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I like Alice in Chains a good bit, but looking back at my big list I never actually put Staley on it (I thought I had but I guess I forgot him). Definitely a unique and powerful voice, but wouldn’t have made my top 25 at any rate. He’d be behind Vedder and Cornell from the Seattle grunge singers for me (and neither of them made my list. Vedder was a close miss though, actually had him on it initially).
I will say River of Deceit by Mad Season is a really great Staley vocal performance.
No idea on the Leprous singer, so obviously not someone I would have ranked.
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I had Staley at # 19, although if I'm being honest, in retrospect I would have left him off. What made AIC so awesome vocally was not Staley's voice alone, but the ungodly harmonies forged by Staley and Cantrell, no matter which one was singing lead at the time. And you can't put them both in one slot.
Never heard Solberg, so I can't say.
Well said about Layne. Layne was as good as he was because of Jerry and while he does have a very distinct voice I don't think he would've made my list, however he is at the top of the vocalist list out of the big 4 of grunge.
I saw AiC a few months back and with Jerry backing up William you could close your eyes and believe it was Layne and not William standing up there.
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Einar is the reason I just can't get into Leprous.
Never dug much into Alice in Chains.
0/2 on this one.
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These two are not on my radar. So far only the first 2 are on my list.
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I'm 0-6 so far! :lol
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I'm 0-6 so far! :lol
Same... and I pulled a 'you' this morning, as my initial reaction to the post was
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0 singer so far.
I don't find last two "favorite singer", they are so ordinary for my taste.
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Both on my list. :) Layne Staley at #8, and Einar Solberg at #5.
Layne Staley is one of my oldest favorites, and certainly the combination with Jerry Cantrell was awesome, but so was his voice on its own. I never got to see him live, but from all the videos I've watched, he was great there too.
And Einar. I think his vocals are stunning. I really loved Tall Poppy Syndrome but didn't yet think of him as a favorite singer. Then with Bilateral I remember starting to think that he had a really unique voice that made the songs even better than they already were, and it built from there. The last couple Leprous albums are among my favorites, and his voice is a huge part of that. He's gotten more consistent live too. I think earlier he had good nights and bad nights but recently he's been on most of the times I've seen him. I remember him absolutely killing it on Distant Bells when they did the Pitfalls live stream and he even embellished it a little and he was on fire. Fantastic fantastic singer and I'm so glad he made the list. I wasn't expecting him to.
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Neither on my list. Though I dig Layne, not sure he’d ever make a top whatever for me. And I couldn’t get into Leperous. Mostly cause of the vocals.
Another 2 not on my list.
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Layne was #25 for me. I love the first 2 Alice In Chains albums and the couple of EPs they did. Nothing else after that resonates with me, and the stuff with their new singer is just flat out boring.
I didn’t consider Einar for this list but I think he has an incredible voice. Leprous is a band I can only stand in small doses though.
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I had Staley at # 19, although if I'm being honest, in retrospect I would have left him off. What made AIC so awesome vocally was not Staley's voice alone, but the ungodly harmonies forged by Staley and Cantrell, no matter which one was singing lead at the time. And you can't put them both in one slot.
Never heard Solberg, so I can't say.
This is 100% correct; and given that Jerry has largely recreated that harmonic blend with William, while I like Layne's voice, he wasn't going to end up anywhere near my list.
As for Elnar Solberg, isn't that that girl who's trying to save the planet from global warming? Why is she here? :)
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I had Layne Staley at #11. If you are a singer, or know anything about singing, you know Layne Staley was an absolute MASTER when it comes to vocal control. Or if you're too young to really know who he was, go put on those Alice records with him...or better yet, the EPs. Mad Season was another band/project of his that is an absolute MUST. He truly deserved to be this high on the list and glad DTF folks saw that.
I have to admit, however, that I don't know Einar Solberg, but now that I know he's the Leprous singer - I've always been curious about this band. But every time I check a song out, I'm not sold that they are for me. I need to take the plunge on them. Album recommendation anyone?
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While neither were on my list, I'm also 0-6, I'm not surprised by these choices. AiC are definitely my favorite of the big grunge bands from Seattle in the early 90s. BUT I've never been big into Layne. In my mind, it's always been Jerry's band. However, I do get that there was something about him that people loved.
As for Einar, he's a good singer and it's not surprising to see him here because this is generally a prog audience. I just think he becomes very repetitive if you've listened to enough Leprous that I wouldn't of ranked him (and didn't). I think both are fine choices even if I didn't pick them.
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Layne had a very unique and powerful voice, nice to see he made the list.
Einar…..no, just…..no.
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I had Layne Staley at #11. If you are a singer, or know anything about singing, you know Layne Staley was an absolute MASTER when it comes to vocal control. Or if you're too young to really know who he was, go put on those Alice records with him...or better yet, the EPs. Mad Season was another band/project of his that is an absolute MUST. He truly deserved to be this high on the list and glad DTF folks saw that.
Completely agree, and with Mad Season you can hear him without Jerry and he was still incredible.
I have to admit, however, that I don't know Einar Solberg, but now that I know he's the Leprous singer - I've always been curious about this band. But every time I check a song out, I'm not sold that they are for me. I need to take the plunge on them. Album recommendation anyone?
This is so hard. I love everything, so it's really hard to say. Maybe Pitfalls? It definitely showcases him as a vocalist. Bilateral is my personal favorite. Whatever you pick will possibly need some growing time though; at least that's how it's been for me.
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20 Einar Solberg
Never even heard of these guys. I've heard of Alice in Chains, of course, but I don't think I've heard anything other than Man in a Box, which I thought sucked balls. Absolutely no clue about the other guy.
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Had Staley at #24.
What made AIC so awesome vocally was not Staley's voice alone, but the ungodly harmonies forged by Staley and Cantrell, no matter which one was singing lead at the time.
This is true, but doesn't diminish his own abilities in my mind. Also:
If you are a singer, or know anything about singing, you know Layne Staley was an absolute MASTER when it comes to vocal control.
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21 Layne Staley
Appeared on 8 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (coz)
4 Top 10 Finishes
Outside of a few songs, I am not really an Alice in Chains fan, but I can see and hear why many have great love for his voice. He's just not a singer that comes to mind for me when thinking of great ones.
20 Einar Solberg
Appeared on 6 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (Animal)
6 Top 10 Finishes
This is one I had to look up who it was when I saw his name appear on a few lists. He finished in the top 10 for all six people who put him on theirs, which is why he squeezed into the top 25. I didn't really dig Leprous when I saw them open for Haken a few years ago.
Neither came anywhere close to making my list. ???
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Yeah those last 2 are real head-scratchers. Not in my top 500.
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Something tells me we have more head scratchers in our future.
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I bet your lists are head scratchers :lol
I find them both Layne and Einar great singers. Layne missed my list since I'm not a big AiC fan but I like him on some stuff I heard.
Einar was #9 for me. However, I'm surprised he made this list since his voice is acquired taste (get it? get it?). Saw Leprous live twice and he had blown me away with how powerful he sounded (expected a weaker falsetto tbh).
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Layne Staley - number 7 on my list. As Samsara said, anyone who knows anything about singing knows how awesome he was. In some circles his vocal control and ability, especially how he created grit in his voice is worshiped. Just a phenomenal singer and sadly lost too soon.
Einar Solberg - Einar was on my short list and for a time was in my top 25 but just didn't make the cut in the end. When I first heard Leprous I hated his voice and it really put me off the whole band but I have come to really love his vocals and the band. So maybe anyone who couldn't get into Leprous at first, give them another go.
3 out of 6 for me so far. I think that this is a really great list so far. No head scratchers from where I stand.
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I'm shocked people are shocked. One of the most well liked grunge singers and one of the most well liked prog singers. Who would have thought?!? :biggrin: I mean, I didn't pick them, but it's not a surprise at all to me.
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I bet your lists are head scratchers :lol
I find them both Layne and Einar great singers. Layne missed my list since I'm not a big AiC fan but I like him on some stuff I heard.
Einar was #9 for me. However, I'm surprised he made this list since his voice is acquired taste (get it? get it?). Saw Leprous live twice and he had blown me away with how powerful he sounded (expected a weaker falsetto tbh).
Nicely done. :)
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I bet your lists are head scratchers :lol
I find them both Layne and Einar great singers. Layne missed my list since I'm not a big AiC fan but I like him on some stuff I heard.
Einar was #9 for me. However, I'm surprised he made this list since his voice is acquired taste (get it? get it?). Saw Leprous live twice and he had blown me away with how powerful he sounded (expected a weaker falsetto tbh).
Einar's falsetto is amazing. Agree just so much power and control.
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Not familiar with Leprous. I've seen their name on the forum quite a bit, but hadn't listened to them. Assumed they were some variation of death or black metal based on the name. Surprised that they are referred to as prog. I just attempted to give them a listen to see what they are about, but unfortunately couldn't even make it to the vocals. Based on the video I started watching, just a few seconds in, it seems that the guitar player plays a strat. In a prog band? Sorry, but I just started laughing uncontrollably and had to shut the video off. That is neither metal nor prog. Not interested in the least. I want that 30 second of my life back.
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Steven Wilson and Alex Lifeson used a Fender Telecaster.
Gilmour used a Strat.
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I suppose I should pass on the advice that my friend likes to give: Listening should be done with your ears. Not your eyes.
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I know nothing about guitars themselves, I'm not sure why the brand makes a difference here or matters at all? Maybe I need a lesson.
As for being labelled prog. I know I called them that, and I think that's by default, but depending on the song, I could see someone labelling them as something else. The first line on their wiki calls them a "rock" band but here's the other labels used in the same wiki:
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Progressive metal, progressive rock, avant-garde metal, alternative metal
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Yeah.. I'm baffled as to how the brand of guitar could affect the quality of music.
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Sorry, thought it would be obvious that I was joking. (I guess the pointy guitars thread on the old forum was either not as memorable as I thought or just predates most of you) I am a Maiden fan, after all. :lol
I actually listened to a couple of songs. I see the talent. I can see the appeal of the singer. Neither the singer nor the band as a whole really did anything for me. Not sure if it is a factor of just not being what I expected, or just not what I am in the mood for at the moment, or a bit of both. Again, nothing negative to say. Just not feeling them at the moment.
Steven Wilson and Alex Lifeson used a Fender Telecaster.
OK, you really are NOT helping your case at all here. :lol
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(I guess the pointy guitars thread on the old forum was either not as memorable as I thought or just predates most of you)
*dim memories*
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Tele's aren't prog either. Lol it's a sonics thing. Of course the younger generation used PRS guitars ect...
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Definitely predates me.
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I know it is not a competition but...3 out of 6. And I am increasingly more confident that quite a few more singers on my list will make the collective Top 25..
Glad to see Einar get at least some love (and some who-the-hell-this-guy-is reactions but this is to be expected). As the highest ranker, I obviously think very highly of him. He might be the only singer in prog/rock/metal I know who is even more technically sound that Geoff Tate. On the top of that, he has that gorgeous rich tenor sound with a shit ton of harmonics and a lot of depth as well. I like Leprous quite a bit but as of now, they are far from being my favorite band - it is mostly Einar's sublime vocals that makes me go back to them and appreciate their unique music more and more.
Never listened to Alice in Chains, heard Stanley's name but that's it. At least I have a new singer to explore - that's why I like these countdown threads so much.
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As for the stratocaster debate, any band that uses guitar, bass or drums (let alone keyboards) is neither prog nor metal enough. And, upon further reflection, true (and I really mean true, not just some sissy form) metal or prog has no use for vocals either.
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Well, since some others have done something similar, here are a few of my favorite Layne performances:
Would? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nco_kh8xJDs): Layne just slays on this track. I love when he goes from his softer head voice into the gritter chorus, and how he subtly changes up the chorus each time to give a slightly different feeling and emphasis each time through.
Down in a Hole Unplugged (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWK0kqjPSVI): Not as clean as a lot of what you might hear from him, but I love hearing his emotional, powerful delivery, stripped of all the studio layering and effects, and without the loudness of distorted guitars to compete with. Such a raw performance.
Them Bones (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTuD8k3JvxQ): Maybe my favorite AiC song. I can't separate this song from the Beavis and Butthead sketch where they are watching this video for the first time and just stare wide-eyed at the screen in silence for a few seconds until Butthead says "...this is the coolest thing I have ever seen in my life. These guys are PISSED OFF." :lol
Rooster (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAE6Il6OTcs): Just a great song. And lots of dynamics from Layne that show off both his abilities and his uniqueness as a--WHOA, IS THAT CHARLIE SHEEN?! Wait, sorry, where was I?
Anyway, I'm not the biggest fan of the band as a whole. But Layne is a singer that definitely made an impression on me.
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25 Mikael Akerfeldt: NR I totally get his being ranked, just not on my radar.
24 Peter Gabriel: NR I liked/loved so much of early Genesis, but was never a fan of his singing. Heard his albums when he hit the ‘Big Time’ ;) in the 80s, but they didn’t catch my fancy.
23 Brad Delp: NR I purchased the first three Boston albums within weeks of their releases (over a ten year span …oy) Side One of ‘Don’t Look Back’ is easily one of my Top Five nonQueen album sides. Great singer...his name just didn’t register. I think back to the days of AOR radio, and the DJ would sometimes say….’that was Freddie Mercury and Queen’, or ‘Steve Perry and Journey’, ‘Robert Plant and Led Zeppelin’ etc. For ‘just another band out of’…it was ‘Tom Sholz and Boston’…. :huh:
Sometimes it's image....a lead singer of a band isn't supposed to have a beard, are they?
oh.....and king.....great story!!!!! :tup
22 Paul McCartney: #2 I remember two events before I was six years old: the entire weekend of JFK’s assassination, and The Beatles on Ed Sullivan. My Mom, who was 38 years older than me, loved the band. My cousin, eight years older than me, bought every Capitol LP and 45 that were released the week they came out. There’s ‘Yesterday’ , ‘Here There And Everywhere’, to grittier singing on ‘Helter Skelter’, his Little Richard-ish singing in ‘Long Tall Sally’, ‘I’m Down’, …and then the ranges shown in ‘Hey Jude’ and ‘Golden Slumbers’ / Carry That Weight’ / ‘The End’.
Those two part lead harmonies with John ….
Solo wise….disappointing. Totally fell off my radar after Wings. But, there’s ‘Live And Let Die’, 'Maybe I'm Amazed', and ‘My Love’, along with the 'Ram', 'Band On The Run', and 'London Town' albums.
21 Layne Staley NR not an AiC fan of their music or image, but I can hear why those that like this like him.
20 Einar Solberg: NR I’ll be serious…other than Queen reissues and Dream Theater, I’m not familiar with 99% of what was released this century. Not sure if their style fits me.
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The Alice in Chains unplugged set is a tough watch for me these days. Layne was pretty much on his last legs with his addiction at this point and his performance is filled with a raw emotion, as much of his singing was.
There are youtube clips of him singing live at his peak, which are a great watch for anyone interested, sorry I can't provide any links but they are easy to find.
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Steven Wilson and Alex Lifeson used a Fender Telecaster.
Gilmour used a Strat.
Lifeson also used a Strat (probably more than he used the Tele), as did Steve Howe on occasion.
Like Bosk, I also assumed from the name that Leprous was a death/black metal band. I did check out about half of one song. It wasn't as bad as I was expecting. I might even check out some more stuff. However, if that singer uses that castrato voice a lot, I won't be sticking with it.
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The Alice in Chains unplugged set is a tough watch for me these days. Layne was pretty much on his last legs with his addiction at this point and his performance is filled with a raw emotion, as much of his singing was.
There are youtube clips of him singing live at his peak, which are a great watch for anyone interested, sorry I can't provide any links but they are easy to find.
I actually enjoy going back to that unplugged set. More often on audio, not so much video. The realness and raw struggle Layne is going through is there for the world to see, and he still delivers, vocally. Layne, Chris, Andrew...there will always be a sadness with the singers from Seattle's late 80s and early 90s rock scene. Some of my favorites, gone way too soon. Andy Wood would have been his generation's David Lee Roth. He was that flamboyant...and had the songwriting and singing skills to back it up.
Anyway, love the credit Layne has gotten on this forum. :metal
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Well, the Hentor Barberian was a mongrel of the strat with a different neck and more but yes. It's all about textures. Not genres
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Well, the Hentor Barberian was a mongrel of the strat with a different neck and more but yes. It's all about textures. Not genres
He played a Strat regularly on the Moving Pictures and Signals tours (pre-Hentor). It's most prominent in the Exit...Stage Left video.
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The Alice in Chains unplugged set is a tough watch for me these days. Layne was pretty much on his last legs with his addiction at this point and his performance is filled with a raw emotion, as much of his singing was.
There are youtube clips of him singing live at his peak, which are a great watch for anyone interested, sorry I can't provide any links but they are easy to find.
I actually enjoy going back to that unplugged set. More often on audio, not so much video. The realness and raw struggle Layne is going through is there for the world to see, and he still delivers, vocally. Layne, Chris, Andrew...there will always be a sadness with the singers from Seattle's late 80s and early 90s rock scene. Some of my favorites, gone way too soon. Andy Wood would have been his generation's David Lee Roth. He was that flamboyant...and had the songwriting and singing skills to back it up.
Anyway, love the credit Layne has gotten on this forum. :metal
Yes, totally agree. I am not sure the Seattle scene gets that much love overall on the forum but good to see it getting some with the inclusion of Layne on this list. He definitely was my favourite from that era but the other guys you mention were also great.
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Well, the Hentor Barberian was a mongrel of the strat with a different neck and more but yes. It's all about textures. Not genres
He played a Strat regularly on the Moving Pictures and Signals tours (pre-Hentor). It's most prominent in the Exit...Stage Left video.
Yup. That's why he went to modifying one. Look at The Big Money video.
Not to take over RJ's vocal pics. I'll stop here. I just listened to Priest today. I'll assume he's on RJ's list. Plus Rik Emmit.
Edit: I'm a dummy. I'm mixing up posts. Though I'd love to see both make it but I bet Emmit won't.
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I'm 0-6 so far! :lol
Same... and I pulled a 'you' this morning, as my initial reaction to the post was
(https://i.giphy.com/media/MTN4uwitLC1GM/giphy.webp)
0-6 for me too. No idea who the Leprous guy was also.
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I'm 0-6 so far! :lol
Same... and I pulled a 'you' this morning, as my initial reaction to the post was
(https://i.giphy.com/media/MTN4uwitLC1GM/giphy.webp)
0-6 for me too. No idea who the Leprous guy was also.
I hope the "who" in jingle's post was also referring to Einar, because not knowing who Layne Staley is must certainly be way more shocking than not knowing who Brad Delp is.. :)
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I'm 0-6 so far! :lol
Same... and I pulled a 'you' this morning, as my initial reaction to the post was
(https://i.giphy.com/media/MTN4uwitLC1GM/giphy.webp)
0-6 for me too. No idea who the Leprous guy was also.
Good lord :lol
I forget sometimes that there are areas of DTF where bands like Leprous are never discussed. I get it, as I'm obviously never in the threads where everyone is all about The Delp, but still.
I have sampled the singers I've been unfamiliar with so far, and I hope others are doing the same for the Einar's out there.
My recommendation for a Einar performance...
https://youtu.be/1QKx_2yg4cU (https://youtu.be/1QKx_2yg4cU)
(bonus performance, Baard absolutely killing it on the drums). It gets off to a slow start but stuck with it.
I guess we need a playlist at the end of this that consists of vocal performances of all 25 singers. I'd be down.
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I've checked Leprous a few times and while I can kind of see why they appeal to some, but I just don't like them at all. I remember not being a big fan of the vocals either.
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Layne was fantastic. Probably in my top 100, maybe 75. AIC in general was incredible, and Jerry's playing and harmonizing were a big part of that as well, or even the others, but Layne was one of the relative few whose "yarling" has actually aged well.
Einar is clearly incredibly gifted, but so far it just hasn't been the sort of voice for me.
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I can admire the hell out of Layne's voice, but I am only the most casual AiC fan. I like some of their big hits but never dug deeper into their catalogue, so his name was never going to be on my list for that reason alone. But I totally understand why he's on people's lists and don't begrudge him being on this.
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I’m 0 for 6 as well.
As much as I am a fan of AIC, I never considered Layne Staley for my list.
I own one Leprous album and don’t remember much about it, though I do recall that the vocals are decent.
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I never liked Staley's voice much on its own, it really only works for me when complimented with Jerry's, as it is with one of my Mt Rushmore songs, Don't Follow.
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Layne Staley - Made it to my shortlist, but landed at #64 ultimately. I love his voice though and he probably should have ended up higher (probably not top 25 but, eh...). While it's true there was a magic to the harmonizing between Layne and Jerry, Layne was a beast in his own right.
Einar Solberg - He was my #5 and I thought for sure I would be the top ranker. What a voice this guy has! Wide range and a large variety of styles. Plus he has only improved with time. He was admittedly a little rougher around the edges on Leprous' first couple albums, but has really cemented himself as one of the greats, in my opinion.
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Definitely predates me.
Hell, it predates me - or just wan't memorable.
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Einar Solberg - He was my #5 and I thought for sure I would be the top ranker. What a voice this guy has! Wide range and a large variety of styles. Plus he has only improved with time. He was admittedly a little rougher around the edges on Leprous' first couple albums, but has really cemented himself as one of the greats, in my opinion.
Ranking twins :)
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I am happy to say that both of today's featured singers finished in my top 25! :metal :metal
19 Jon Anderson
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8zgpy7C6u1qd0x5wo1_250.gif)
Appeared on 8 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (lonestar)
3 Top 10 Finishes
Definitely one of the more unique voices in rock. I have always been a fan; I ranked him 15th. There is an ethereal quality to his voice that is so appealing. Yes at their creative peak was adventurous rock in full bombast mode, and it wouldn't have been the same without Anderson's voice.
18 Anneke van Giersbergen
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/JubilantDamagedHerculesbeetle-size_restricted.gif)
Appeared on 9 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (Adami)
5 Top 10 Finishes
Ah yes, the goddess that is Anneke! I ranked her 23rd and kinda feel like it should have been higher, but I think the lack of material (that I listen to regularly) where she is the main singer is why I didn't put her higher, as the material I listen to the most with her are the albums she has done with Devin and Arjen. Slowly getting into The Gathering more and more each day, though. Her voice is just heavenly, and I am a little stunned that she was only on nine of the lists here.
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Finally a name that made to my list.
I love Anneke. She has a powerful voice and her live performance is so consistent. I ranked her #16.
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Just saw Anneke's solo acoustic show less than a month ago in Belgrade, great great performance. Just her and guitar, and it sounded awesome. Love her latest solo albums, covers were cool as well (especially Kate Bush ones). I'm not usually fan of female vocals (especially operatic) in metal (sorry) but her works well in the most stuff she's in, maybe because she often has that folky tone. Would love to hear her do more work with Amorphis. Ranked her at #5.
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Anneke should've made my list, just slipped my mind.
My feelings for Jon are pretty obvious since I had him at #1. Great voice, great performer, great writer, and a great human being. Just delivers on all fronts, and is still singing with perfection 50 years later. Totally worthy of my top spot.
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Neither made my list but I appreciate both being here.
I prefer Anneke out of these two, but although I've sampled some of her other stuff it's mainly her work with Devin that I know. I think her voice really compliments Devin's and they work so well together. I guess Devin is good at picking out female singers as Ché Aimee Dorval is also incredible.
Like Tim, I had zero female vocalists in my list, but Anneke, Ché and Cammie Gilbert were closest to making the cut.
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Anneke wouldn't have made the list, I know very little over stuff.
I can appreciate Jon but he never did anything personally, I could never get used to the timbre of his voice.
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Didn’t consider Anneke for this list. Great voice, but I’ve always enjoyed her more in a supporting role rather than lead vocalist.
Jon Anderson was #11 for me. Great voice, though his lyrics can be strange sometimes. (I’ve yet to understand what “rearrange your liver to the solid mental grace” means. My liver is just fine thank you.)
In a band full of instrumental virtuosos, the vocals are always what stood out to me the most in Yes.
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Neither made my list, but it makes sense they are here.
Anderson has one of those voices that I almost but not quite dislike (Geddy Lee is another), maybe well-suited for the music he makes but it's a good thing the music he makes is as good as it is or I wouldn't put up with listening to the voice.
Anneke is a fairly recent discovery for me, and I like what I've heard, but her voice doesn't strike me as groundbreaking or anything.
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Is mine the first #1 vote revealed?
23- Peter Gabriel
10- Brad Delp
1- Jon Anderson
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WOOO I FINALLY GOT ONE!
Yes, I have loved Anneke for years now. Seen her live with the Gathering once, solo once, acoustic solo once, and with Ayreon once. I love her Gathering albums, her stuff with Arjen, Devin, etc., and also her own solo albums (including Agua de whatever). She can sing me Stadler's post and somehow I'd agree with them all.
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That's high praise.
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Another from my list! YAY! Wait..... I FORGOT ANNEKE!!!!!!! I knew there was someone I was missing. DAMMIT. She's one of my favorite singers. I love her heavier stuff with Devin - Bend It Like Bender! is killer - but her solo stuff is just beautiful. She elevates everything she contributes to. Really really disappointed I forgot her in the rush; she would have come in around 12, or so had I remembered. (I'm retconning my list; I had Shirley Manson at 44, and that's now Anneke).
Jon Anderson is the singer and co-writer of my favorite album of all time and I dig him, but he didn't crack the top 25; he came in at 34.
These are two really, really good singers, though, so I'm going to give a couple good performances:
Anneke:
The aforementioned "Bend It Like Bender!" (check out the live version from the London shows; an aural and visual treat all around).
Lo And Behold from her solo album "The Darkest Skies Are The Brightest".
Everything else from "The Darkest Skies Are The Brightest"; what a beautiful, beautiful piece of work.
Anderson:
Turn Of The Century
Going For The One
Starship Trooper
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I'm looking at my list and I hate it now. Both Anderson and Anneke should have been in the top 25.
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I can't begrudge anyone who forgot people on their list. I regretted the bulk of my list a few days after I sent it. I really should've spent much more time with it, but it is what it is. That said, my top 2 are my top 2, so Anneke would've been there regardless.
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Jon Anderson renders Yes unlistenable to me.
0-8!!
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Very nice..... both are on my list.
Jon at 13 and Anneke at 3.
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Never seen Jon live but I do love his voice on recordsand live recordings. Wonderful singer...
Anneke..... such a great voice and such a great personality.
I have seen her live solo acoustic twice, with VUUR once and with Ayreon once. Spellbound all times...
Three songs wich I feel shows her control of her voice
Your Glourious Light Will Shine
https://open.spotify.com/track/1ylbvo8LOjS9wlUI7Pae9C?si=oaXZ_YkUS-2J6uD-V4AMNA&utm_source=copy-link
Heart of Amsterdam:
https://open.spotify.com/track/4vsYT4MuXQFbFYJxiHyH93?si=No7j5U9LRl6Cne9yDDBknw&utm_source=copy-link
Edward Griegs Solveis Song:
https://open.spotify.com/track/4MLS6W7sdkcKqOTHgkmH3S?si=vXzEAM-RSVKv59HhvHjuow&utm_source=copy-link
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Jon Anderson was on my larger list to consider, but I’ve never been a huge fan of his voice. For a long time I think he was actually a big part of me not getting Yes. But as I’ve gotten into Yes more in recent years I’ve come to appreciate his voice a little more. Certainly one of the unique and enduring voices in rock. He still sounds more or less the same all these years later, which is impressive.
I’ve seen a lot of praise for Anneke here and elsewhere, and I think I checked out some of a recent solo album maybe, but didn’t come away with much of an impression. May check out something else, but given her associated acts I’m not sure much will click for me.
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Didn't participate, but seeing Anneke makes me happy :)
By the way, reading comments about her performances with Devin, Ayreon, solo etc...all great, of course, but please, please, please, for those not familiar with them yet, do yourself a favor and check out The Gathering...if anything, for her singing! Her first album with them back in 1995, Mandylion, is just one of a kind, and her vocals on it are a thing of (powerful) beauty. Nighttime Birds is great too. Then the music became progressively "trippier", but her vocals didn't lose a step (I'm a big fan of her last two records with them too, Souvenirs and Home)
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Bonus.... met Anneke after her concert in Stockholm on the 15th of October.
Such a charming and nice woman...
Got to talk to her for a while and got a photo with her.
(https://www.concertarchives.org/image_uploads/photo/image/510713/large_20221015_221830-01.jpeg)
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Didn't participate, but seeing Anneke makes me happy :)
By the way, reading comments about her performances with Devin, Ayreon, solo etc...all great, of course, but please, please, please, for those not familiar with them yet, do yourself a favor and check out The Gathering...if anything, for her singing! Her first album with them back in 1995, Mandylion, is just one of a kind, and her vocals on it are a thing of (powerful) beauty. Nighttime Birds is great too. Then the music became progressively "trippier", but her vocals didn't lose a step (I'm a big fan of her last two records with them too, Souvenirs and Home)
I didn't totally connect with Mandylion like I thought I would when I finally heard it a few months back, but I will circle back to it at some point. I like Nighttime Birds a lot, and How to Measure... is my favorite so far by The Gathering.
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Neither made my list. Both very talented.
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I've also got a pic with Anneke (and the first from my list to make it!)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/70972357_10120329246833274_416032728681545728_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=kDFJGnNB1vwAX8CjR_6&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=00_AfDP8LxtQg23dtZ73pCu0E8Nh_OIllNhvmLbrDG7jfSlFw&oe=63B045D7)
Honestly, I don't really follow her solo stuff and I'm sure I've only heard a small percentage of her overall work, but she has such a unique voice and style. She adds so much to Devin Townsends work that I couldn't keep her off my list. The picture is from after the Delain/Amorphis tour where she had the opening solo acoustic slot. Here's her doing a cover of Iron Maiden's Wasted Years from that show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1anZG1vPK6c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1anZG1vPK6c)
As for Jon Anderson, I'd put him with Peter Gabriel. I understand why people here like these guys, but that old school prog music isnt really my cup of tea so these guys were never really considered for me.
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Neither made my list, but I'm cool with that and still enjoying Einar Solberg making the list yesterday. :)
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2 more not on my list, but Jon Anderson was #26 for me. Damn, just missed :rollin
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I'm with Luke and Hef on my assessments of both. Very fine singers for what they produce, but I'm just not terribly deep into their inventory of music, hence not on my list. I've got a pic with AVG as well (ProgNation at Sea in '14), but not sure if it's online still anywhere - turns out it is. Damn photbucket watermark!
(https://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww265/jingle-boy/ProgNation%20at%20Sea/DSC_0231_zps402bbca2.jpg)
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What a lovely lady to take pics with us DTFers :lol
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Yeah she's taking one for the team.
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19 Jon Anderson
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18 Anneke van Giersbergen
Jon Anderson is one of the most incredible singers ever. His work with Yes is unparalleled. He's known for high vocals, but he can go low and gritty too. And, even better, he's been doing it more than 50 years and has barely lost a step. I could listen to him sing the phone book. My #2.
No idea who this woman is who finished one spot ahead of Anderson.
not knowing who Layne Staley is must certainly be way more shocking than not knowing who Brad Delp is.. :)
Disagree with that. The demographics are different, and album sales aren't the be all and end all of things, but Boston has outsold AIC by a mile. I didn't know who Staley was by name, but I'd obviously heard of AIC.
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Neither made my list, but it makes sense they are here.
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My wife's older sister is a singer and also an elitist snob about singing/music so one time when my wife played her some Dream Theater she was like "Ugh he sounds like Jon Anderson". Hadn't really noticed that before but both are polarizing I think. I'm 1 for 8 so far (McCartney).
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My wife's older sister is a singer and also an elitist snob about singing/music so one time when my wife played her some Dream Theater she was like "Ugh he sounds like Jon Anderson". Hadn't really noticed that before but both are polarizing I think. I'm 1 for 8 so far (McCartney).
I get how singers can be polarizing, but Anderson sounding like JLB? Not even close to my ears.
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not knowing who Layne Staley is must certainly be way more shocking than not knowing who Brad Delp is.. :)
Disagree with that. The demographics are different, and album sales aren't the be all and end all of things, but Boston has outsold AIC by a mile. I didn't know who Staley was by name, but I'd obviously heard of AIC.
I dunno. Maybe there needs to be a poll. I'd think more overall people would know who Layne Staley was.
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My wife's older sister is a singer and also an elitist snob about singing/music so one time when my wife played her some Dream Theater she was like "Ugh he sounds like Jon Anderson". Hadn't really noticed that before but both are polarizing I think. I'm 1 for 8 so far (McCartney).
I get how singers can be polarizing, but Anderson sounding like JLB? Not even close to my ears.
I don't think they sound alike, either, but they are the same kind of singer (meaning polarizing - you either like them or you don't, not much middle ground).
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My wife's older sister is a singer and also an elitist snob about singing/music so one time when my wife played her some Dream Theater she was like "Ugh he sounds like Jon Anderson". Hadn't really noticed that before but both are polarizing I think. I'm 1 for 8 so far (McCartney).
I get how singers can be polarizing, but Anderson sounding like JLB? Not even close to my ears.
I don't think they sound alike, either, but they are the same kind of singer (meaning polarizing - you either like them or you don't, not much middle ground).
They both sing in a higher register, which probably sounds similar to a casual listener. Especially if she heard something from Images and Words where James doesn’t have much gravel in his tone. Like, I could see someone who knew Owner of a Lonely Heart and heard Another Day making a connection.
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I’m 0 for 8 as well.
I am not a fan of Jon Anderson’s voice at all.
Anneke has a fantastic voice and probably would have made my top 40.
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Listen, I'm not saying everyone should have had Anneke in their top 10.
But....yes, I am saying that.
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My wife's older sister is a singer and also an elitist snob about singing/music so one time when my wife played her some Dream Theater she was like "Ugh he sounds like Jon Anderson". Hadn't really noticed that before but both are polarizing I think. I'm 1 for 8 so far (McCartney).
I get how singers can be polarizing, but Anderson sounding like JLB? Not even close to my ears.
I don't think they sound alike, either, but they are the same kind of singer (meaning polarizing - you either like them or you don't, not much middle ground).
They both sing in a higher register, which probably sounds similar to a casual listener. Especially if she heard something from Images and Words where James doesn’t have much gravel in his tone. Like, I could see someone who knew Owner of a Lonely Heart and heard Another Day making a connection.
Correct, I think it was his soft tone.
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Yes! Anneke was one I was unsure whether would make the aggregate list or not. Here's the writeup I had done for her.
22: Anneke van Giersbergen
Bands - solo, The Gathering, Devin Townsend Project, others
Guest appearances - Ayreon, Amorphis, Votum, many others
From - the Netherlands
Other song highlights - The Gathering "Strange Machines", Ayreon "The Age of Shadows", Devin Townsend "Supercrush!"
I think at this point she's definitely the prog darling. She doesn't have the the widest range or the type of voice to knock you over with power, but it just delightfully sits so well in so many different contexts, it's no wonder everyone wants to work with her. [Edit: And take pictures with her!]
Listening:
Agua de Annique - "Day After Yesterday"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2diVhbMkIfo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2diVhbMkIfo)
In Action:
Anneke van Giersbergen/Danny Cavanagh - "Untouchable Part 2" (Anathema)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFKmS_t4qck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFKmS_t4qck)
but they are the same kind of singer (meaning polarizing - you either like them or you don't, not much middle ground).
Even within the same person. On some parts I love his voice, and others it bugs me. My favorite thing he's done is actually his guest appearance on 4Him's "The Only Thing I Need". He and Andy Chrisman sound divine together.
Cammie Gilbert were closest to making the cut.
She is on mine.
Is mine the first #1 vote revealed?
Nope.
-There were two singers who were put at number 1 on a list and were not put on any other list: Marjan Welman and Mark Knopfler.
Yeah she's taking one for the team.
Yes, she's sublime, but it hurts my eyes looking at these random schmucks who photo-bombed DTFers taking a photo of her.
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I'm a big fan of Mark Knopfler but who the hell put him on #1?
Anneke is probably in my Top 10 singers.
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I'm a big fan of Mark Knopfler but who the hell put him on #1?
That is a bit of a head scratcher.
I'm a big fan of his playing and writing, but his voice, while effective, is seemingly adequate, at best, IMO.
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Neither Jon Anderson or Anneke made my list. I don't really listen to Yes and as for Anneke, while I have heard lots of her singing and music, she was never in consideration for my top 25. A great singer but not really one I connect with.
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I'm a big fan of Mark Knopfler but who the hell put him on #1?
That is a bit of a head scratcher.
I'm a big fan of his playing and writing, but his voice, while effective, is seemingly adequate, at best, IMO.
The guy who put him at No. 1 can certainly carry his own water in terms of defending him, but Mark Knopfler at No. 1 is no more crazy than some of the picks we've seen already. It's the same lecture I got when I posited Elvis for number one; it's who you like, who resonates.
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I'm a big fan of Mark Knopfler but who the hell put him on #1?
That is a bit of a head scratcher.
I'm a big fan of his playing and writing, but his voice, while effective, is seemingly adequate, at best, IMO.
The guy who put him at No. 1 can certainly carry his own water in terms of defending him, but Mark Knopfler at No. 1 is no more crazy than some of the picks we've seen already. It's the same lecture I got when I posited Elvis for number one; it's who you like, who resonates.
Exactly!
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Yeah she's taking one for the team.
Yes, she's sublime, but it hurts my eyes looking at these random schmucks who photo-bombed DTFers taking a photo of her.
So I'll do my part:
(https://i.imgur.com/PM3wmLU.jpg)
I will say this: I think Anneke is hot as heck; the video of Devin in London where she's dressed in black and dancing next to him is sexy as all hell.
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The words "hot as heck" and that picture should not be in the same post.
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:lol and yeah, Anneke is very sexy on the Retinal Circus live album with Devin.
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Yeah she's taking one for the team.
Yes, she's sublime, but it hurts my eyes looking at these random schmucks who photo-bombed DTFers taking a photo of her.
So I'll do my part:
So nice of you to pose with that homeless man.
Is mine the first #1 vote revealed?
Nope.
It occurs to me that perhaps you meant revealing who cast the #1 votes, and in that case I suppose it was the first.
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Listen, I'm not saying everyone should have had Anneke in their top 10.
But....yes, I am saying that.
Indeed!
Jon Anderson - Didn't make my shortlist, but would definitely have made my top 100. I like his voice, but don't absolutely love it. The fact that he's been singing for so long and still hasn't really lost anything in his voice is also part of the reason I like him. Definitely deserving of being on the the aggregate list.
Anneke Van Giersbergen - She came in at number 4 on my list and is one of 4 people that could sing the phonebook to me and I'd be happy. Just an incredible voice. So unique and yet, not that annoying kind of unique. You definitely know it's her when she is singing. Love her in pretty much everything she has done. Discovered her when she started working with Ayreon, then got into her stuff with The Gathering. I was ecstatic when I found out she would be working with Devin before Addicted came out. Just an amazing vocalist.
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Is mine the first #1 vote revealed?
Nope.
It occurs to me that perhaps you meant revealing who cast the #1 votes, and in that case I suppose it was the first.
Yup, that's what I meant, and I think mine was.
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Haven't watched this in awhile until just now, but the Addicted! album by the Devin Townsend Project is my favorite album of his that heavily features Anneke. Here's a performance of the entire album and Anneke is fantastic here. I also love Devin's performance too and his facial expressions are epic :lol but seriously, if you want to hear Anneke, this is a great example IMO https://youtu.be/lqnBn1c0lbs?t=1307 (https://youtu.be/lqnBn1c0lbs?t=1307) (time stamped for her introduction during Hyperdrive) Devin's only performed with Anneke live once in the US, at a Progpower festival which is the driving force for me to attend that. It goes down as one of my favorite concerts ever (day 4 of the festival specifically, it had Haken followed by DTP with Anneke).
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Haven't watched this in awhile until just now, but the Addicted! album by the Devin Townsend Project is my favorite album of his that heavily features Anneke. Here's a performance of the entire album and Anneke is fantastic here. I also love Devin's performance too and his facial expressions are epic :lol but seriously, if you want to hear Anneke, this is a great example IMO https://youtu.be/lqnBn1c0lbs?t=1307 (https://youtu.be/lqnBn1c0lbs?t=1307) (time stamped for her introduction during Hyperdrive) Devin's only performed with Anneke live once in the US, at a Progpower festival which is the driving force for me to attend that. It goes down as one of my favorite concerts ever (day 4 of the festival specifically, it had Haken followed by DTP with Anneke).
Yeah, her part of that video is phenomenal.
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Jon Anderson renders Yes unlistenable to me.
0-8!!
(https://static0.thethingsimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Eddie-Murphy-shocked.jpg)
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I'm a big fan of Mark Knopfler but who the hell put him on #1?
That is a bit of a head scratcher.
I'm a big fan of his playing and writing, but his voice, while effective, is seemingly adequate, at best, IMO.
The guy who put him at No. 1 can certainly carry his own water in terms of defending him, but Mark Knopfler at No. 1 is no more crazy than some of the picks we've seen already. It's the same lecture I got when I posited Elvis for number one; it's who you like, who resonates.
Bingo. It's why Thom Yorke made my top 25. :) :)
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Jon Anderson renders Yes unlistenable to me.
0-8!!
(https://static0.thethingsimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Eddie-Murphy-shocked.jpg)
Normally I'd be miffed as well, especially since Jon was my #1, but it's Tim, he kind of has an eternal hall pass when it comes to stupid opinions.
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I'm a big fan of Mark Knopfler but who the hell put him on #1?
Me. He's my favourite singer, for reasons I've already given.
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Haven't watched this in awhile until just now, but the Addicted! album by the Devin Townsend Project is my favorite album of his that heavily features Anneke. Here's a performance of the entire album and Anneke is fantastic here. I also love Devin's performance too and his facial expressions are epic :lol but seriously, if you want to hear Anneke, this is a great example IMO https://youtu.be/lqnBn1c0lbs?t=1307 (https://youtu.be/lqnBn1c0lbs?t=1307) (time stamped for her introduction during Hyperdrive) Devin's only performed with Anneke live once in the US, at a Progpower festival which is the driving force for me to attend that. It goes down as one of my favorite concerts ever (day 4 of the festival specifically, it had Haken followed by DTP with Anneke).
Yeah, her part of that video is phenomenal.
I'm pretty sure the Youtube algorithm just gave up trying to keep track of the number of times I watched that performance of "Supercrush!"
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Anneke in Supercrush is just :heart
The other favorite of hers is when she does Untouchable with Danny Cavanaugh.
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Me. He's my favourite singer, for reasons I've already given.
Have you heard this track? Someone on my list, and Mark is featured on it. Mostly his guitar playing, but a bit of backing vocals as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4KweWynxa8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4KweWynxa8)
Anneke in Supercrush is just :heart
The other favorite of hers is when she does Untouchable with Danny Cavanaugh.
Yep, both in my top performances of her's.
Jon was my #1
Do you know this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wAlJWpxWTk
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Anneke is the first name that has been on my list so far, and my 3rd highest ranking woman.
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I'm a big fan of Mark Knopfler but who the hell put him on #1?
That is a bit of a head scratcher.
I'm a big fan of his playing and writing, but his voice, while effective, is seemingly adequate, at best, IMO.
The guy who put him at No. 1 can certainly carry his own water in terms of defending him, but Mark Knopfler at No. 1 is no more crazy than some of the picks we've seen already. It's the same lecture I got when I posited Elvis for number one; it's who you like, who resonates.
Bingo. It's why Thom Yorke made my top 25. :) :)
We can see it right here. Anderson, n.1 for Lonestar, renders Yes unlistenable to TAC and, I am sure, quite a few others(like my wife...and me 25 years ago - I used to think that singing like Anderson was ridiculous but have come around over the years and now I ranked him at 19th).
I am probably more into big operatic voices that could be easily defended as "objectively good" from a vocal coach perspective than almost anyone - but I still ranked quite a few "non-technical" singers such as Michael Stipe. And I even considered ranking Leonard Cohen for a while.
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4 out of 8 so far.
Might have been 5, I considered ranking Anneke too but as with many other Ayreon singers, I am familiar with too little of her output outside Arjen Lucassen projects. Anyway, as with Layne Stanley, I'll take this as an inspiration to explore her music a bit more.
Jon Anderson - had him at 19th. His voice is almost too unique, maybe the only natural countertenor in rock I know of, so it can't really be an influence or inspiration for almost any vocalist, it makes whatever it sings into something special.
His top performances.
Gates of Delirium (Soon)
Awaken
Turn of the Century
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It's Friday (!!), which means we get three today!!
(and the funny thing is that I had no clue what two of these singers today looked like, so I hope the pictures I am posting are actually of them :lol)
17 Michael Kiske
(https://deadrhetoric.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/kiske2015v2.jpg)
Appeared on 8 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (TAC)
6 Top 10 Finishes
I had no clue who this was when he started appearing on lists. I tried Helloween many, many years ago. I will be kind and say it was not for me.
16 Chris Cornell
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/cf5bde181af54bbd9ae4ee790a51f1c2/tumblr_os4wcb2WOE1rzbj5mo1_500.gifv)
Appeared on 10 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 5 (Metropolaris, coz)
5 Top 10 Finishes
Good singer, and I like a few songs by Soundgarden, but I always thought he got extra credit for being one of the few good singers from a genre largely bereft of them. Maybe that is the non-grunge fan in me talking.
15 Robert Plant
(https://media.tenor.com/QLg0fgBG0W8AAAAC/robert-plant-singing.gif)
Appeared on 14 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 5 (DragonAttack)
2 Top 10 Finishes
I love Led Zeppelin and love quite a bit of Plant's solo work, but I didn't rank him. I actually think he became a better singer once LZ was over, although there is a charm to his reckless vocals in his early days that add a lot of character to those albums and songs. An iconic singer to say the least, and I am glad he made it here.
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I had none of them on my list
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I nearly guessed few weeks back that Kiske would be Tim's top pick! I've tried with Helloween many times over the years and they've always just been 'alright' for me. Vocally they just always felt a bit of an Iron Maiden clone.
Chris Cornell is OK, I was just never into Soundgarden.
Robert Plant is the only one that made my list, and I think he's a great singer, great frontman and an iconic voice. Wasn't he like 19 when Led Zep I came out? Amazing!
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I ranked Michael Kiske #14
He has an extremely powerful voice, even now. His prime was almost godly and signature voice of Helloween and power metal genre. OK, Andi Deris is quite good but Michael Kiske is completely another thing.
I ranked Robert Plant #22
The thing is he is getting bigger on the stage than being on the records. I love his stage presence and wild voice.
I honestly don't know what makes Chris Cornell to get top 25 list. Nothing special about his voice. So ordinary and simple.
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0/3 on that dump, Plant is definitely worthy of being in the conversation though
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I've never heard of Michael so I'll have to check out his work. I am a fan of Chris Cornell and Robert Plant, with that though I think Robert Plant is a little overrated and wouldn't have made my list personally.
His voice is the perfect fit for LZ though.
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Not super familiar with Michael Kiske's work, but have heard his name enough to know he's well respected. Obviously both other singers deserve to be on this list.
Sadly, none were on my list. So I'm still just 1 for 10 thus far.
Looks like classic rock/prog is going to be pretty dominant on this list.
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None of these ranked for me, but Cornell was on my big list and may have been in the next group of 25. He really did have an incredible voice in the early days, and he especially nailed the Temple of the Dog album. His performance on that album alone merits him consideration for this list IMO. Later Soundgarden and Audioslave not so much, but he does have one solo cut that I always loved, Sunshower, which is an amazing performance as well.
Plant didn’t get any consideration from me, as I’m just not a big fan of Zeppelin. He has his moments though and is definitely one of the most iconic rock singers.
Kiske I only know because he came up during the recent QR countdown thread, and TAC sent one of his solo tracks that was pretty awesome. That’s all I’ve heard from him though.
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Cornell is the first of mine to make the list!
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Had Cornell at #8. His voice just works for me even though I'm not the biggest fan of bands he was in.
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Never heard of Michael Kiske.
Robert Plant oddly didn't cross my mind when putting this list together. He certainly deserves to be here though.
Chris Cornell has one of the most powerful voices I've ever heard.
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Unsurprisingly, Bobby Plant made my list - #12. I've listened to too much LZ in my life not to adore him, and the opening of Black Dog was my gateway to expanding my musical horizon to all things Rock/Metal, and thus my lifelong addiction to music at the tender age of 15.
Kiske... I can definitely hear/see it, but I'm just not familiar enough with his stuff outside of Avantasia to rank him.
I'll just say right now that NO singer originating from the 90s/grunge era got a vote from me, nor would they sniff my top 100. Sorry/not sorry.
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Kiske.... really good singer but I'm not much of a Helloween fan so he really didn't come to mind. I enjoy him in Avantasia, but he's not my favorite of the guests singers there. No shock he's Tim's #1.
Cornell... goes back to my feelings about Layne. I'm just not a fan of grunge. I get why he's listed, but like Jingle, I didn't consider any grunge singers for my list because I'm simply just not a fan of the music generally.
Plant... I strongly considered him for my list. Love his singing on the LZ albums. However, I've heard he's not very good live and I have no experiences myself with him. He simply missed the cut because I can't properly rate him compared to the ones that did make my list.
While I'm 1 for 10, I think these are all fine picks again.
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Plant and Kiske didn't make my list but Kiske is awesome. I just don't listen to enough of his stuff to have thought of him.
Chris Cornell was #19 for me. Awesome singer and I love Soundgarden.
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I'm a big fan of Mark Knopfler but who the hell put him on #1?
That is a bit of a head scratcher.
I'm a big fan of his playing and writing, but his voice, while effective, is seemingly adequate, at best, IMO.
The guy who put him at No. 1 can certainly carry his own water in terms of defending him, but Mark Knopfler at No. 1 is no more crazy than some of the picks we've seen already. It's the same lecture I got when I posited Elvis for number one; it's who you like, who resonates.
Well, I'm not lecturing anyone, and I didn't say that I think whomever ranked him that high is a moron. I just listed my thinking on how he ranks with me. I don't care who ranks who where, it's all subjective.
As to the new rankings revealed:
Michael Kiske: never heard of him.
Chris Cornell: phenomenal voice, really no one else exactly like him, and he has sung on some of my favorite songs ever. I had him at # 24 on my list. My favorite vocal from him, I think, is Temple of the Dog's Say Hello 2 Heaven. Just glorious.
Robert Plant: He actually didn't make my final list, but his influence is enormous. I also like how he has adapted his output to the changes in his voice as he has aged. In particular, his decision to make music with Alison Krauss was a bold one, and has resulted in two absolutely delightful albums.
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I had all three.
Michael Kiske is my #7. The guy has phenomenal range and control. And so amazing how he's kept it all these years. Helloween was NOT the same without him. He brings extraordinary drama and power to their performance.
Chris Cornell is my #8. So much talent. I was fortunate to get to see him solo in...I want to say 2007. And again with Temple of the Dog several years ago. Such tortured beauty in that voice. I remember my wife telling me how blown away she was at Day on the Green in 1991 in Oakland when Soundgarden opened for Metallica/Queensryche/Faith No More in 1991. No one had heard of Soundgarden really, as Badmotorfinger was just catching on. Just an amazing singer and frontman.
Robert Plant came in at #18 for me. Not sure what needs be said about Mr. Plant. Just one of the iconic voices in hard rock. Really set the tone for so many vocalists that followed him.
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Cornell's voice is just so damn powerful! Even putting Soundgarden aside, his Euphoria Morning solo album is fantastic. And, his vocals on the Temple Of The Dog album are amazing.
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I had Plant #22. 2 for 11 now. If I had made a lot longer list, Kiske might make it but not Cornell.
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17 Michael Kiske
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16 Chris Cornell
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15 Robert Plant
2 out of 3 ain't bad!
I had Kiske at 10 and Plant at 16. Kiske is just phenomenal and hasn't lost much (and yes, Kev, you got the picture right). Really looking forward to seeing Helloween next year!
I'm not the biggest Zeppelin fan, but Plant on the albums was amazing.
Cornell isn't a guy I knew by name until he off'd himself, and I vaguely knew that one Soundgarden song that got some radio play and another one that was on Guitar Hero. Decent enough voice, but I was not a fan.
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I still think Ritchie Kotzen sounds like Chris Cornell
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I still think Ritchie Kotzen sounds like Chris Cornell
Agreed
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I still think Ritchie Kotzen sounds like Chris Cornell
Me too! I don't think this is controversial either. Different of course, but still similar.
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Finally! After being 0 for 8, I am now 3 for 11.
I had Kiske at #4. His performance on Keeper of the Seven Keys part I merits this.
I had Cornell at #22 and Plant at #12.
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The words "hot as heck" and that picture should not be in the same post.
I am a powerful and attractive man. :)
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2 more for me! I feel like my picks have pretty much run their course though. Probably a couple more.
6. Robert Plant
5. Chris Cornell
2. Layne Staley
From my long list: Jon Anderson, Åkerfeldt, McCartney, Gabriel, Delp
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I'm a big fan of Mark Knopfler but who the hell put him on #1?
That is a bit of a head scratcher.
I'm a big fan of his playing and writing, but his voice, while effective, is seemingly adequate, at best, IMO.
The guy who put him at No. 1 can certainly carry his own water in terms of defending him, but Mark Knopfler at No. 1 is no more crazy than some of the picks we've seen already. It's the same lecture I got when I posited Elvis for number one; it's who you like, who resonates.
Bingo. It's why Thom Yorke made my top 25. :) :)
You're just saying that to hurt me. :) :) :)
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Thing is the list is full of rock/metal genre vocalists so far. It is fair, I guess. But if names like Celine Dion, Jennifer Holiday, David Bowie or Lara Fabian don't make it to the list it I'll be very sad.
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Haven't watched this in awhile until just now, but the Addicted! album by the Devin Townsend Project is my favorite album of his that heavily features Anneke. Here's a performance of the entire album and Anneke is fantastic here. I also love Devin's performance too and his facial expressions are epic :lol but seriously, if you want to hear Anneke, this is a great example IMO https://youtu.be/lqnBn1c0lbs?t=1307 (https://youtu.be/lqnBn1c0lbs?t=1307) (time stamped for her introduction during Hyperdrive) Devin's only performed with Anneke live once in the US, at a Progpower festival which is the driving force for me to attend that. It goes down as one of my favorite concerts ever (day 4 of the festival specifically, it had Haken followed by DTP with Anneke).
That's the show I keep referring to. When she does that wiggle while singing about the river flowing... dammit.
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Haven't watched this in awhile until just now, but the Addicted! album by the Devin Townsend Project is my favorite album of his that heavily features Anneke. Here's a performance of the entire album and Anneke is fantastic here. I also love Devin's performance too and his facial expressions are epic :lol but seriously, if you want to hear Anneke, this is a great example IMO https://youtu.be/lqnBn1c0lbs?t=1307 (https://youtu.be/lqnBn1c0lbs?t=1307) (time stamped for her introduction during Hyperdrive) Devin's only performed with Anneke live once in the US, at a Progpower festival which is the driving force for me to attend that. It goes down as one of my favorite concerts ever (day 4 of the festival specifically, it had Haken followed by DTP with Anneke).
That's the show I keep referring to. When she does that wiggle while singing about the river flowing... dammit.
Ah, I thought you were referring to the Retinal Circus concert.
Thing is the list is full of rock/metal genre vocalists so far. It is fair, I guess. But if names like Celine Dion, Jennifer Holiday, David Bowie or Lara Fabian don't make it to the list it I'll be very sad.
What could you expect from a metal forum? Did you submit a list that includes those? Feels like the Elvis discussion previously
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Didn't have these past 3.
Never got into Helloween. Tried a few times, but they just don't connect with me. But I've really enjoyed Kiske's work on the few Avantasia albums that I have.
I can respect Cornell's singing. Good vocalist. Just wouldn't make the cut on a "favorites" list for me.
Plant is and has always been like nails on a chalkboard to me. Can't stand his voice.
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What could you expect from a metal forum? Did you submit a list that includes those? Feels like the Elvis discussion previously
I said: it is fair since it is a metal forum. And yeah I included this names. But still I hope DTF consider other genres vocalists for the rest of list.
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What could you expect from a metal forum? Did you submit a list that includes those? Feels like the Elvis discussion previously
I said: it is fair since it is a metal forum. And yeah I included this names. But still I hope DTF consider other genres vocalists for the rest of list.
I included vocalists from multiple genres on my list, but I'll be shocked if very many of them show up.
But that's OK.
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Cornell's voice is just so damn powerful! Even putting Soundgarden aside, his Euphoria Morning solo album is fantastic. And, his vocals on the Temple Of The Dog album are amazing.
Wooden Jesus is such a kickass song.
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I had Plant #22. 2 for 11 now. If I had made a lot longer list, Kiske might make it but not Cornell.
I had Plant at 22 as well.
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In particular, his decision to make music with Alison Krauss was a bold one, and has resulted in two absolutely delightful albums.
Yeah, his Zeppelin work is good, but I might prefer his material with her. "Last Kind Words Blues" from last year was a stellar cut.
Thing is the list is full of rock/metal genre vocalists so far. It is fair, I guess. But if names like Celine Dion, Jennifer Holiday, David Bowie or Lara Fabian don't make it to the list it I'll be very sad.
I think Celine is rather underrated these days by music aficionados. Bowie was fantastic, I wouldn't bet money on it, but I'd think there's an outside chance he's in the DTF top 50. We'll find out later I suppose. Jennifer Holiday was phenomenal and way too overlooked. She'd be on my extended list somewhere, but I just haven't spent enough time listening to her to have a shot at this one. I think I may have heard of Lara Fabian, but I'm not familiar with her. Do you have a recommended song or two?
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I think I may have heard of Lara Fabian, but I'm not familiar with her. Do you have a recommended song or two?
Je Suis Malade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kp0dw4MuWs
Adagio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKtNuLG5jAo
Just phenomenal. She is just not singing she is living it.
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Nice, she's quite a talent. The musical style is probably what holds her back from more music fans checking her out. She'd kill it doing a duet with Roy Khan.
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I'm unfamiliar with Kiske. Any recommendations? Esp, from Samsara as we seem to have similar taste.
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I'm unfamiliar with Kiske. Any recommendations? Esp, from Samsara as we seem to have similar taste.
Keeper of the Seven Keys: Part I from Helloween.
Instant Clarity from his solo albums.
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Thing is the list is full of rock/metal genre vocalists so far. It is fair, I guess. But if names like Celine Dion, Jennifer Holiday, David Bowie or Lara Fabian don't make it to the list it I'll be very sad.
It's more than fair. It's to be expected. You've got a pool of people with a wide range of interests, but we're all here because of a progressive metal band. And there's nothing sad about good singers not making the list. This is about FAVORITES. Celine Dion? I like some of her stuff (to the point that I own one of her greatest hits albums). But is she one of my 25 FAVORITE singers? No. I'm not a fan of Bowie, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he makes the list, and I'm sure he was mentioned on several lists. I don't even know who the other two you mentioned are. Googling...a Broadway singer and a Belgian singer whose first listed genre on Wikipedia is "French pop"? I struggle with this as much as I did with Stadler's comments about Elvis a while back. Why would anyone think that these sorts of people would make a "FAVORITE singer" countdown compiled by a few dozen people on a progressive metal band's fan site?
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Finally one I have on my list. I had Kiske at number 10. What a voice. Cornell just missed the cut.
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It's more than fair. It's to be expected. You've got a pool of people with a wide range of interests, but we're all here because of a progressive metal band. And there's nothing sad about good singers not making the list. This is about FAVORITES. Celine Dion? I like some of her stuff (to the point that I own one of her greatest hits albums). But is she one of my 25 FAVORITE singers? No. I'm not a fan of Bowie, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he makes the list, and I'm sure he was mentioned on several lists. I don't even know who the other two you mentioned are. Googling...a Broadway singer and a Belgian singer whose first listed genre on Wikipedia is "French pop"? I struggle with this as much as I did with Stadler's comments about Elvis a while back. Why would anyone think that these sorts of people would make a "FAVORITE singer" countdown compiled by a few dozen people on a progressive metal band's fan site?
I think my fault about this to think all genres and I have a huge vocalist catalog in my mind. I just wanted to express some of them should be on the list no matter if we are in metal music forum or not or out of personal taste in music. But I get what happened or will happen in the end. AND I KNOW IT'S ALL PERSONAL TASTE and THAT'S FAIR.
And for the note Jennifer Holiday and Lara Fabian are both well known and respected singers around the world, not like a simple Broadway and Belgian singer. And if you don't know them, sorry but it's your miss. I mean I am a metal/rock listener since my teenage time and I learned Jennifer Holiday by chance and she is just a vocal power house. I listen some of her music time to time.
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All 25 on my list are at least rock in some sense of the word. One is a rock and country singer, the other is rock/pop.
I enjoy many non-heavy rock/metal singers, but not to the point where they'd make the list over them. Remember, this thread is about our "FAVORITE" singers, not necessarily "best."
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I'm unfamiliar with Kiske. Any recommendations? Esp, from Samsara as we seem to have similar taste.
Helloween keepers part 1 and 2. Also check out his other project Place Vendome .
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Yeah, the problem is that we each probably have a handful of names of people who might not be DTF's usual taste that we think are incredible and should be on a such a list. But they're not going to be the same people. So multiply a handful by a few dozen, and you get well over 100 names, and they're not going to all fit on a 25 person list which will mostly be popular by prog/rock/metal singers.
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And BTW, Jennifer Holliday probably should be as famous as Aretha, Whitney, Mariah, and other soul singers, but that isn't DTF's wheelhouse, and I'd be shocked if any of them made it. Here's a classic of her's. She had a lot of grit in her voice that might appeal more to rock fans than a lot of similar divas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN4IdX3USpA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN4IdX3USpA)
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Whitney and Adele almost made my list. I had them in the late-30s.
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I didn't submit a list and even if I did (which I'm jotting down singers off the top of my head while reading this thread), I know like 4/5ths of my list is not going to be on this thing. One of them is a JPop singer, so I know it's not going to be on this list.
But, I'm glad Chris Cornell made it to the overall list. I Am The Highway is a great song with his vocals and the majority of his final solo album, Higher Truth, has great gems that showcase his voice well.
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Three great singers today but only 2 out of 3 on my list.
Michael Kiske - my number 4. Keeper 1 and 2 are two of my favourite albums of all time and his vocal performance on these albums is just amazing.
Chris Cornell - my number 11. Like Layne Staley, in certain circles he is absolutely worshipped for his vocal technique and use of grit in his voice. I am a huge Soundgarden fan and just think his vocals on these albums are amazing, really great to see him here.
Robert Plant - just missed out for me. Not surprised at all that he is featured and I am a big fan. Leaving him out was one of my tough choices.
In total 5 out of 11 for me so far.
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The stamina it takes to sing those Keeper albums is absolutely remarkable. I realize they are studio recordings, but man.
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I'm surprised how many "never heard of them" comments there are about people who are discussed regularly here at DTF. I don't listen to much Helloween, but I've read the some of the Helloween thread here to see what's going on with them and if I should check back in on their newer stuff. Similarly, I will often read threads about other bands that I don't know to see if I should check them out. I guess, I'm just extra-curious. (Or, maybe names stick in my brain easier, from casual references.)
Cornell isn't a guy I knew by name until he off'd himself, and I vaguely knew that one Soundgarden song that got some radio play and another one that was on Guitar Hero. Decent enough voice, but I was not a fan.
That one song? Soundgarden had 14 songs that charted on Billboard's mainstream rock charts, 6 of them at number 1. I know it varies by region, but in my area were all over rock radio throughout the 90s.
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I'm unfamiliar with Kiske. Any recommendations? Esp, from Samsara as we seem to have similar taste.
Helloween keepers part 1 and 2. Also check out his other project Place Vendome .
That first Place Vendome album is just remarkable.
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I'm unfamiliar with Kiske. Any recommendations? Esp, from Samsara as we seem to have similar taste.
Apologies. I missed this when I first replied.
Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys Pt. 1
Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys Pt. 2
Unisonic - Light of Dawn (the way Kiske performs this song is incredible. The chorus is just huge.)
Power metal goodness. :metal
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17 Michael Kiske
(https://deadrhetoric.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/kiske2015v2.jpg)
Appeared on 8 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (TAC)
6 Top 10 Finishes
:metal :metal :metal
I was wondering if he was going to even make the list.
Michael Kiske is easily BY FAR my favorite singer. He's quite well known for his high voice, but his range is ridiculous. His low end is strong, and he's as powerful as there is.
My turn to post a picture! ;D
Here's a 19 y/o TAC with a 19 y/o Kiske!
(https://i.imgur.com/zoLDEkC.jpg)
As far as recommendations... Anything from Helloween's Keeper Of The Seven Keys Pt. 1 OR Pt. 2 will do.
From Part 2....March Of Time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_AH2KqT1dM
I understand a lot of people don't love early Helloween. But definitely sample the voice. He recorded Pt. 1 at 18 years old!!!!
He also swore of "metal" for many years, only to be coaxed back little by little by Tobi in Avantasia.
Anyway...
My #2 song of all time
Do I Remember A Life?...from his first solo album Instant Clarity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-QA4euTJDo&list=RD3-QA4euTJDo&start_radio=1
It's 10 minutes and relatively mellow, but it's an amazing track.
Also from Instant Clarity
Always
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-ekkmZgyG0
Unisonic- Night Of The Long Knives
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEgVq6j9RfI
Amazing performance
Place Vendome-Cross The Line
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8RRjFxEHa8
AORish project with Kiske on vocals
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Do I remember a life?
What a song. I remember the time I put this song in a loop, playing day and night over and over while I studied for my entrance exam for collage. It's a vocal show. This song has many feelings.
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My turn to post a picture! ;D
Here's a 19 y/o TAC with a 19 y/o Kiske!
(https://i.imgur.com/zoLDEkC.jpg)
That is soo great.... you win the photo competition in my book.
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And for the note Jennifer Holiday and Lara Fabian are both well known and respected singers around the world, not like a simple Broadway and Belgian singer. And if you don't know them, sorry but it's your miss. I mean I am a metal/rock listener since my teenage time and I learned Jennifer Holiday by chance and she is just a vocal power house. I listen some of her music time to time.
Look...I can't speak to "the world." Based on the brief search I did, they've both had long careers and success. Good for them. But there are tens of thousands of professional singers, and I can't know them all, so no, it's not my "miss" for not knowing them. I know and like Philip Quast, Colm Wilkinson and Lea Salonga, but I'm not going to pretend that it's sad if they don't make the top 25 here (I didn't put them on my list) or that it's others' "miss" if they don't know them.
Michael Kiske is easily BY FAR my favorite singer. He's quite well known for his high voice, but his range is ridiculous. His low end is strong, and he's as powerful as there is.
The "I am the one; doom's in my hand" part from "Halloween" demonstrates that quite nicely. His range on that song alone was crazy good. Tucking your t-shirt into jeans, OTH, not so much. :biggrin:
Cornell isn't a guy I knew by name until he off'd himself, and I vaguely knew that one Soundgarden song that got some radio play and another one that was on Guitar Hero. Decent enough voice, but I was not a fan.
That one song? Soundgarden had 14 songs that charted on Billboard's mainstream rock charts, 6 of them at number 1. I know it varies by region, but in my area were all over rock radio throughout the 90s.
I had all but stopped listening to music on the radio by the mid-90s. As far as "that one ... song," I believe I was referring to Black Hole Sun. Looking at their discography...Spoonman is the song from Guitar Hero, and Outshined rings a vague bell. None of the other 14 songs that made the U.S. mainstream rock charts ring any bells at all
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I'm unfamiliar with Kiske. Any recommendations? Esp, from Samsara as we seem to have similar taste.
Apologies. I missed this when I first replied.
Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys Pt. 1
Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys Pt. 2
Unisonic - Light of Dawn (the way Kiske performs this song is incredible. The chorus is just huge.)
Power metal goodness. :metal
No problem. Thanks everybody, I'll check them all out!
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Had Robert at #13, while the other two, didn't make my list, although Kiske was in my top 30!
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I'm unfamiliar with Kiske. Any recommendations? Esp, from Samsara as we seem to have similar taste.
Apologies. I missed this when I first replied.
Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys Pt. 1
Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys Pt. 2
Unisonic - Light of Dawn (the way Kiske performs this song is incredible. The chorus is just huge.)
Power metal goodness. :metal
No problem. Thanks everybody, I'll check them all out!
the song I meant is "Exceptional" on Unisonic's Light of Dawn record.
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I was too intimidated to join this list, as I thought narrowing down my favorites would be too hard, but since I've enjoyed checking in on the results, I was inspired to give it a try. Turns out it wasn't as tricky as I expected.
I think nine singers from my list will end up making the final cut (four already have: Robert Plant, Mikael Akerfeldt, Jon Anderson, and Einar Solberg)
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I'm unfamiliar with Kiske. Any recommendations? Esp, from Samsara as we seem to have similar taste.
Apologies. I missed this when I first replied.
Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys Pt. 1
Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys Pt. 2
Unisonic - Light of Dawn (the way Kiske performs this song is incredible. The chorus is just huge.)
Power metal goodness. :metal
No problem. Thanks everybody, I'll check them all out!
the song I meant is "Exceptional" on Unisonic's Light of Dawn record.
I almost linked Exceptional, but opted for Night Of The Long Knives instead. Light Of Dawn is an amazing album. Listened to it today, in fact.
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Whitney and Adele almost made my list. I had them in the late-30s.
I was REALLY trying to find a way to get Adele on my list, and a few other non rock/metal vocalists... but I just couldn't justify it.
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I'm unfamiliar with Kiske. Any recommendations? Esp, from Samsara as we seem to have similar taste.
Helloween keepers part 1 and 2. Also check out his other project Place Vendome .
That first Place Vendome album is just remarkable.
Wolfking, speaking wise.
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Michael Kiske - He made my shortlist at #66. Great voice, but not an absolute favorite of mine. Probably should have been a little higher though.
Chris Cornell - Also made my shortlist at #56. Of the "grunge" vocalists from the '90s he is my favorite. Powerful voice and with some range too!
Robert Plant - And again, made my shortlist at #59. Hugely influential not just on the world of music, but on my musical journey growing up, even though he isn't an absolute favorite.
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Great pic, Tim. That band is not my thing, but very cool nonetheless! :tup :tup
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Nice to see so much Kiske talk. Tobi did a wonderful job getting him back into the hard rock/metal thing again. Props to him.
Another mention is the couple of songs he did on Timo Tolkki's Revolution Renaissance debut.
I am quite fond of both Kiske/Sommerville albums too. Pretty generic stuff by some nice songs on both those albums.
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I need to listen to the Place Vendome again sometime. I heard it around the time it was released and didn't care for it much, but I don't think I spent much time on it.
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I'm unfamiliar with Kiske. Any recommendations? Esp, from Samsara as we seem to have similar taste.
Helloween keepers part 1 and 2. Also check out his other project Place Vendome .
That first Place Vendome album is just remarkable.
Absolutely! :tup
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Great pic, Tim. That band is not my thing, but very cool nonetheless! :tup :tup
You should check out the two links from his solo album. Definitely NOT Helloween music.
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My turn to post a picture! ;D
Here's a 19 y/o TAC with a 19 y/o Kiske!
(https://i.imgur.com/zoLDEkC.jpg)
That is soo great.... you win the photo competition in my book.
Totally agree! That pic is just awesome.
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Being in the same picture as Michael Kiske and Kai Hansen if God tier.
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It would've been God Tier if Kai was looking at the fucking camera. Markus too. That's because Stadler, who I edited out, was causing a commotion on the side.
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I think I forgot to comment on Kiske. Definitely a solid pick, I've heard a decent amount of material from him, though nothing in particular stands out, so I'll give a listen to some of these highlighted tracks. Helloween's album last year was really impressive that they can all still sing so well this far into their careers, Kiske probably being the most conspicuous.
I already talked a bit about Cornell I think in 425's roulette. Killer voice, just not quite a big enough fan of any of his bands to have him this high.
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I think the sound of a cat being dragged by a car is more pleasant than listening to Chris Cornell.
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Damn, Lande, Wilson, Cornell, who else do I like that you hate? :rollin
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Damn, Lande, Wilson, Cornell, who else do I like that you hate? :rollin
For the record, I don't hate Jawn Lande. For such a talented singer, he's just so boring.
Russell Allen does nothing for me, though.
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Ok, we're up to four. I suspect if you run across any of my vocalist lists we're gonna start adding figures to that. :)
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It would've been God Tier if Kai was looking at the fucking camera. Markus too. That's because Stadler, who I edited out, was causing a commotion on the side.
:rollin
Jokes aside, the picture really is a treasure. Legends of power metal as they were exploding, and you are basically hangin' out with them :)
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Legends of power metal as they were exploding, and you are basically hangin' out with them :)
September 24, 1987.
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Great pic, Tim. That band is not my thing, but very cool nonetheless! :tup :tup
You should check out the two links from his solo album. Definitely NOT Helloween music.
Do I Remember a Life? was okay, but it reminded me of how Adele is usually in constant "bellow it out" mode, even when the song calls for more subdued moments at times. The song felt more like a vocal exercise than anything else to me.
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In the meantime, tomorrow's featured vocalists will see another female that made the list featured!
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I'm predicting Simone. Possibly Floor.
Place Venome's "Cross the Line" was an awesome song, but it is now banned from my roulette. :)
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I'm predicting Simone.
Place Venome's "Cross the Line" was an awesome song, but it is now banned from my roulette. :)
That's OK. there's another 4 or 5 great tracks on that album.
You are not to listen to anything I post anywhere, be it the Album Thread, or in any roulette I'm participating, especially my current submission in Luke's.
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Yeah, I've already noticed this dilemma, and it's slightly altered various things I've mentioned at different points in the last few months. I have a large enough music library that it's not an issue though, so I wouldn't think it would be for you either. Kind of hard to avoid in this thread though, since the whole thing is talking about Kiske projects right now.
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My turn to post a picture! ;D
Here's a 19 y/o TAC with a 19 y/o Kiske!
(https://i.imgur.com/zoLDEkC.jpg)
That is soo great.... you win the photo competition in my book.
EPIC picture Tim! I hope Kai and Kiske were cool dudes.
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Ok, we're up to four. I suspect if you run across any of my vocalist lists we're gonna start adding figures to that. :)
Remember, the mark of a great vocalist is if TAC hates them with a special passion. :corn
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I love these old TAC pics
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Kai was really just there. Markus seemed like such a cool dude, but it was all about Michael, and he couldn't have been more accommodating. I was shocked at how young he looked in person. At the in store appearance earlier in the day, I asked him how old he was...that's how I know he was 19. This pic was taken two days after I turned 19 myself.
A phenomenal day that was recaptured here..
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57735.210
Go to reply #238
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Ok, we're up to four. I suspect if you run across any of my vocalist lists we're gonna start adding figures to that. :)
Remember, the mark of a great vocalist is if TAC hates them with a special passion. :corn
Yeah, something like that.. :lol
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especially my current submission in Luke's.
Yeah, sorry, that's just not happening. :p I need to hear everything to make sense of his commentary in case it'll earn me a point or two on later submissions. :)
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I hardly ever listen to other submissions when I play in roulettes. I'll occasionally listen to the top scored song.
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Some of it might just be a personality difference between us, some of it might just be you having many years of experience on me in the current version of this forum, so you have a far more complete mental profile of each poster than I do.
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Some of it might just be a personality difference between us, some of it might just be you having many years of experience on me in the current version of this forum, so you have a far more complete mental profile of each poster than I do.
Nah.. I just am not that interested in what others send I guess.
Wait, did you just call me old? :lol
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Some of it might just be a personality difference between us, some of it might just be you having many years of experience on me in the current version of this forum, so you have a far more complete mental profile of each poster than I do.
Nah.. I just am not that interested in what others send I guess.
Wait, did you just call me old? :lol
If the shoe fits..... :neverusethis:
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Nice to see so much Kiske talk. Tobi did a wonderful job getting him back into the hard rock/metal thing again. Props to him.
Another mention is the couple of songs he did on Timo Tolkki's Revolution Renaissance debut.
I am quite fond of both Kiske/Sommerville albums too. Pretty generic stuff by some nice songs on both those albums.
The more you post, the more I remember how many albums of his outside of Helloween (I'm not really a fan) that I actually do know and love. I should've given him more consideration. :facepalm:
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Ok, we're up to four. I suspect if you run across any of my vocalist lists we're gonna start adding figures to that. :)
Remember, the mark of a great vocalist is if TAC hates them with a special passion. :corn
Exactly. This is sig-worthy.
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Some of it might just be a personality difference between us, some of it might just be you having many years of experience on me in the current version of this forum, so you have a far more complete mental profile of each poster than I do.
Nah.. I just am not that interested in what others send I guess.
Wait, did you just call me old? :lol
If the shoe fits..... :neverusethis:
Probably a prescription orthotic.
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I'm kinda late to the party, but for people who only know Anneke through Devin or Ayreon, I recommend these songs where she's the lead singer:
Anneke van Giersbergen - Agape (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt9jkpdqv-0) (and I'll team up with Stadler here, listen to the whole album, it's fantastic)
Amadeus Awad - Lonesome Clown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq7n4HHrCmg)
Amadeus Awad - Sleep Paralysis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm-aUEJtA_U)
The Gathering - Souvenirs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8Q7Dg9Usos)
Kiske absolutely deserves to be on this list. Such a powerhouse but also a beautiful voice.
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I'm predicting Simone. Possibly Floor.
I'd be mildly surprised if Floor is this low. And I'm unsure that Simone would make the Top 25. I'll make a bold prediction and go old school - Ann Wilson (perhaps Pat Benatar)
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I'm predicting Simone. Possibly Floor.
I'd be mildly surprised if Floor is this low. And I'm unsure that Simone would make the Top 25. I'll make a bold prediction and go old school - Ann Wilson (perhaps Pat Benatar)
At this point I don't think going old school is a bold prediction :lol
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I'm predicting Simone. Possibly Floor.
I'd be mildly surprised if Floor is this low. And I'm unsure that Simone would make the Top 25. I'll make a bold prediction and go old school - Ann Wilson (perhaps Pat Benatar)
At this point I don't think going old school is a bold prediction :lol
Could be new school too... Miss Swift.
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Two more!
14 Daniel Gildenlow
(https://sverigesradio.se/images/87/3476573_2048_1152.jpg?preset=1024x576)
Appeared on 7 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (elefantStone, Animal, Adami)
6 Top 10 Finishes
I used to really dislike his voice. Not that I am a big fan now, but I was fine with his contributions with the Flower Kings and Transatlantic, so it makes me think he's just not a good songwriter, as I cannot stand his voice in 95% of the songs by Pain of Salvation I have heard. Just too melodramatic.
13 Ann Wilson
(https://media.tenor.com/2_UlGRU6kroAAAAd/ann-wilson-70s.gif)
Appeared on 11 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Dream Team)
3 Top 10 Finishes
What a voice!! Anyone in doubt, go listen to Mistral Wind or Dream of the Archer (that last note!!) from the 70s. I ranked her 13th despite, like Brad Delp, her not having a massive amount of material I listen to often. She could sing the phone book and it would sound amazing.
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WOOO!
Way too low for Daniel, but still glad he made it.
Ann seemed obvious but wasn't on my list. Just not super familiar with her stuff.
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Nailed it! She placed 16th on my list.
Despite giving them many many chances, I'm simply not a fan of PoS AT ALL (PoS has an apt acronym, imo), so DG wouldn't get a sniff on my list.
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Fucking called that one dude...
Ann is worthy of any position on this list...anyone who can make Robert Plant cry singing Plant's song is.
Same position as Jingle on Gildenlow...just never could get into PoS
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I never understood the hype for Daniel but to be fair I've heard very little of his music. Any recommendations for a song or two to check out?
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Ann is great.
Never been a fan of Pain of Salvation.
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I had Daniel at number 5 o my list. Have not ranked Ann.
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Have seen Pain of Salvation 7 times live and Daniel Gildenlöf solo acoustic once.
When I saw him solo was the day after Leonard Cohen died and when he sang Halleluja I bet not an eye in the audience was dry. Such a wonderful tribute.....
Their BE concert a year before the album was released is one of the best concerts I have seen. Short video here
https://youtu.be/piv5w0ZdFXs
Ashes is one of my favorite songs of theirs
https://youtu.be/5xreAnQ2ao8
Undertow another
https://youtu.be/ja5wA4s8tQU
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I had Ann at #2. DG wasn't ranked.
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I have no clue who Ann Wilson is. Is she some country singer who is only big in the US? :lol
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I have no clue who Ann Wilson is. Is she some country singer who is only big in the US? :lol
Oh dear fucking lord.
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I have no clue who Ann Wilson is. Is she some country singer who is only big in the US? :lol
Oh dear fucking lord.
It's OK, that's how I felt when people had no clue who Einar was :lol
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Yeah I’ve got either downloaded or on a playlist just about every song Ann’s ever song. Just this year she released an album of great smoky bluesy numbers I’ve been enjoying. Kudos to everyone else that had her on the list.
Kev, awesome selection of a gif by the way!
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I have no clue who Ann Wilson is. Is she some country singer who is only big in the US? :lol
Let me help...
In her prime with her main band Heart--- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeMvMNpvB5M&ab_channel=thebandheart (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeMvMNpvB5M&ab_channel=thebandheart)
And as the one chosen to sing Stairway to Heaven when Zeppelin got their Kennedy Center Honors show... always felt this is one of the greatest live performances ever, she just absolutely crushes this song right in front of the original band... there's one comment that says "now Zeppelin knows how we all felt listening to this"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFxOaDeJmXk&ab_channel=DonJack (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFxOaDeJmXk&ab_channel=DonJack)
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Neither on my list. I'm fine with Ann Wilson.
But I'm pretty sure I like Daniel Gildenlow even less than TAC likes Chris Cornell. I've seen POS 5 times (too many) and liked him less each time.
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Despite giving them many many chances, I'm simply not a fan of PoS AT ALL (PoS has an apt acronym, imo), so DG wouldn't get a sniff on my list.
Same position as Jingle on Gildenlow...just never could get into PoS
Why are you both trying to hurt me?
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I’m the opposite of you, Kev. I started out kind of liking Gildenlow’s voice when I first heard POS, but grew to find it really annoying. He’s got talent for sure and a powerful voice with a lot of range no doubt, but he does especially grate on me in TFK and TA. Just feels out of place there. Melodramatic is the right word. The one thing I have where I don’t find him annoying is POS’s 12:5 live album. Anyway, obviously not ranked by me.
Ann Wilson has a lovely voice, but I’ve never had much interest in Heart. I like a few of their syrupy 80s hits though (What About Love, These Dreams).
Still just Peter Gabriel making the list for me so far. I still expect another 3-5 maybe, but it’s getting a little late so maybe not!
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I chickened out at the end and didn't come up with a list. But I'm having fun following this. :tup
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And as the one chosen to sing Stairway to Heaven when Zeppelin got their Kennedy Center Honors show... always felt this is one of the greatest live performances ever, she just absolutely crushes this song right in front of the original band... there's one comment that says "now Zeppelin knows how we all felt listening to this"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFxOaDeJmXk&ab_channel=DonJack (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFxOaDeJmXk&ab_channel=DonJack)
Just perfection. I actually love the enthusiasm and zeal from Nancy; and Jason making it his own while being true to John's delivery. "chef's kiss*. Can't forget them at the Zeppelin induction to RRHOF - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M44M7pOAQQw
Stairway will never not be the greatest song of all time in my ears. Not my fave Zeppelin song (though, after watching this again for like the b bagillionth me), I just may need to re-rank it for Kev's list.
For my liking, Heart's Rock This House cover of You're The Voice (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7EjGFFDM6Y) is god-tier for me.
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Once I submitted my list, the one name I realized should have made my list but didn't was Ann.
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I have no clue who Ann Wilson is. Is she some country singer who is only big in the US? :lol
Oh dear fucking lord.
You're saying that but that's literally how it is, at least here for me. Heart is basically an unknown band here. Deep Purple, sure, Queen, yeah, Iron Maiden, yes for sure, Heart? Probably 99% of people never heard of them.
I only know who Ann Wilson is because of DTF. I'm with Luke on this. :)
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I have no clue who Ann Wilson is. Is she some country singer who is only big in the US? :lol
Oh dear fucking lord.
You're saying that but that's literally how it is, at least here for me. Heart is basically an unknown band here. Deep Purple, sure, Queen, yeah, Iron Maiden, yes for sure, Heart? Probably 99% of people never heard of them.
I only know who Ann Wilson is because of DTF. I'm with Luke on this. :)
I know Heart but I don't think I frequent any of the threads where she may ever get talked about on DTF (if she even does get talked about much). I've certainly never heard her name, and the only Heart song I think I know is Barracuda :lol
I think it's way more shocking to think people on DTF don't know Einar, but that's just me probably.
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Daniel Gildenlow - Great to see him included here. I had him at #15. Massive range and has the ability to inject a ton of emotion into the lyrics. Some may call that being overly dramatic, those people don't know what they are talking about. :P
Ann Wilson - Made my shortlist at #67. Definitely deserving of being on the cumulative list though. Such a powerful voice!
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For my money Ann Wilson is the best female hard rock singer of all time, glad she made the list.
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Daniel is my #4. Remedy Lane and TPE are among my favorite albums ever and Daniel was imo always good at writing melodies that fit him well (and vocal melodies in general). Power, range, versatility, it's all there.
Ann is definitely generational singer. I know of her, I know of Heart, but other than Alone I don't hear it anywhere ever. Not surprised some don't know her.
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I really got into POS, back when In the Passing Light of Day came out, but no other album of theirs ever really struck a chord.
I like his voice, and understand why he made the list, but he seems a bit too full of himself for me to ever really love him.
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For my money Ann Wilson is the best female hard rock singer of all time, glad she made the list.
Yeah, she definitely needs to be in the discussion for sure. And her voice has aged so well, I was just watching video from Wacken last year, and she still fucking kills it at 72.
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Not a fan of PoS so Gildenlow never came to mind. I did think he was pretty good as a vocalist and frontman when I did see PoS though. I can understand his inclusion on this forum, but I'm not really much of a fan.
I'm a bit surprised about Ann Wilson. I didn't know this forum really was into Heart, I really am not familiar with them much at all and the songs I know have never made me think "oh she's fantastic". I most likely just never gave her attention to really be familiar in the end.
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Once I submitted my list, the one name I realized should have made my list but didn't was Ann.
Jesus! How the hell did *you* forget her!?!?! :lolpalm:
For my money Ann Wilson is the best female hard rock singer of all time, glad she made the list.
Yeah, she definitely needs to be in the discussion for sure. And her voice has aged so well, I was just watching video from Wacken last year, and she still fucking kills it at 72.
Hell fucking yeah!
I'm a bit surprised about Ann Wilson. I didn't know this forum really was into Heart, I really am not familiar with them much at all and the songs I know have never made me think "oh she's fantastic". I most likely just never gave her attention to really be familiar in the end.
But this forum has a shit-ton of fogeys. You don't have to be a massive heart fan (I'm not terribly deep on their discography myself) to get goosebumps virtually every time you hear her voice. There's at least a dozen or so songs that are still on regular rotation on rock radio stations.
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Ikm a Apin of Salvation fan, but I didn’t rank Daniel. He has a decent enough voice.
I had Ann Wilson at #23. Incredible voice.
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Once I submitted my list, the one name I realized should have made my list but didn't was Ann.
Jesus! How the hell did *you* forget her!?!?! :lolpalm:
I know! When I was first noodling on this I thought about her as an obvious inclusion. Then when I sent my list I thought "Wait, I didn't see Ann's name on my spreadsheet..."
There was an urban legend at my high school that the band teacher played with the Wilsons early in their career but I couldn't substantiate it.
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Never heard of Heart. Where I am from, this is not a well-known band. I have seen Ann's Wilson name quite a few times in vocalist discussions though so I am sure she must be a remarkable singer. I just don't know her stuff. But I'll definitely check her rendition if Stairway to Heaven.
Great to see I am not the only one to think so highly of Daniel to rank him number 1. Seems to be a similar case to Einar . relatively few people rank him, but those who do rank him very high. I understand that many can find him too dramatic - what I have a very hard time getting is the fact that he can be too dramatic for someone who likes DT and James Labrie. Really? Has there ever been a more dramatic singer than James? (To be clear, I love James almost as much as Daniel).
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Didn't pick either of these, but neither choice surprises me. I remember checking out a lot of Gildenlow's stuff back during Transatlantic's Whirlwind album cycle, and was really impressed with his abilities. Ultimately, he just isn't for me. But I couldn't help but be impressed by his talent.
Used to like Heart back in the early days, but lost my love and respect for them eventually. I can understand why Ann is on a LOT of these kinds of lists, not only on DTF, but virtually every list of best rock singers out there. That's why I think so many find it so surprising for some to say they never heard of her. She is so ubiquitously heralded as a great rock singer everywhere, and has been for so many decades now. Whatever country you are from, I can almost guarantee Heart charted VERY high there at some point.
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Both fantastic singers, easily top 100 candidates for me. "Crazy On You" is one of those classic rock staples that doesn't get annoying even if it's overplayed. They do Zeppelin and Zeppelin-esque better than Zeppelin. And the marvelous acoustic intro is Ann's sister Nancy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AuucouCVBk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AuucouCVBk)
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Both fantastic singers, easily top 100 candidates for me. "Crazy On You" is one of those classic rock staples that doesn't get annoying even if it's overplayed. They do Zeppelin better than Zeppelin. And the marvelous acoustic intro is Ann's sister Nancy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AuucouCVBk
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My running results:
6. Robert Plant
5. Chris Cornell
2. Layne Staley
And selections from my long list: Ann Wilson, Jon Anderson, Åkerfeldt, McCartney, Gabriel, Delp
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Been away a while and just catching up...
Finally have a run on the board had Cornell at #7.
Glad to see Ann make the list had her around my Top30 in retrospect maybe should've made my 25 sensational voice \m/
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Gildenlow just missed out, wonderful singer.
Wilson and Heart never been my thing.
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0 from 2 today for me.
Daniel Gildenlow - big fan of Pain of Salvation but didn't consider Daniel as one of my favourite singers.
Ann Wilson - also never considered when putting together my list but not surprised to see her in the top 25.
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I chickened out at the end and didn't come up with a list. But I'm having fun following this. :tup
Same here, kind of; I just couldn't think of enough singers to make a Top 25 list. I'm still enjoying watching how this is turning out!
There's a couple singers I'd love to see appear on this list, but I'm unsure if either of them will show up at this rate.
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Ann Wilson is phenomenal...so powerful and over the top without, well, sounding over-the-top :biggrin:
She's amazing on the early Heart's classics, but also on some of the more "polished", big 80s hits...like "Wait for an Answer", for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPvb6-klI_k
Or something lesser known, from Desire Walks On, "Black on Black II":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1CSb6lx4Ws
(I mean, the singing is almost "metal" here!)
Incidentally, both songs above were written by Lisa Dalbello, of Gonna Get Close to You fame...
I remember a few years ago randomly catching on cable a concert celebrating some Dreamboat Annie anniversary (It was a DVD, I think). I haven't watched it in a long time, but my memories are of a pretty stunning performance. Here seems to be the whole thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RItit4W7QRo&t=35s
The actual performance starts around 9:40 or so.
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Or something lesser known, from Desire Walks On, "Black on Black II":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1CSb6lx4Ws
Man I remember when that song came out, it was all over the radio here, and my brain couldn't wrap itself around the possibility this awesomeness was by the same band that released all those 80s pop songs, which is all I knew of them at the time.
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Daniel is my favorite. I can appreciate the reasons why some might not enjoy the style of his delivery or the way he writes his vocal melodies, but when it comes to the qualities that make a singer a singer—detached from style, to whatever extent that's possible—he's undeniable. His range, power, versatility are outstanding. I'm glad to see that he topped a few lists.
I don't know Heart well at all, but I do know the most famous of their songs. Hard to deny Ann Wilson's greatness.
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Regarding tomorrow's featured singers, get ready for the metal...
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:metal :metal
Both made my list! :lol
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Wasn’t expecting more metal!
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Wasn’t expecting more metal!
Oh...expect it!! :metal
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Wasn’t expecting more metal!
Oh...expect it!! :metal
:metal :metal
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I'm starting to think only 2 more from my list will rank. I only have Plant and Delp so far.
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Wasn’t expecting more metal!
Really?
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Metal it is!
12 Floor Jansen
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Appeared on 8 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (bosk1)
7 Top 10 Finishes
Great voice, great singer, but I couldn't rank her as I barely listen to anything she sings, just the Ayreon/Arjen albums in which she was one of many contributors. I don't really like symphonic prog metal, so her normal bands do not interest me. Again though, great singer for sure.
11 Rob Halford
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Appeared on 13 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 4 (DTwwbwMP)
6 Top 10 Finishes
I was hoping he would finish top 10, but he just missed out. I ranked him 9th; I likely would have had him higher years ago. Not that I think any lesser of him, but Priest is more of a once in a while band for me now rather than one I listen to regularly. For my money, when it comes to metal singers, he is in my holy trilogy along with Geoff Tate and Devin Townsend (I don't really think of James LaBrie as a metal singer per se).
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Floor is amazing, had her ranked very high at #5.
While I love Halford and respect all he's done for metal, I just don't dig Preist that much.
23- Peter Gabriel
10- Brad Del
5- Floor Jansen
1- Jon Anderson
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I'm not really familiar with Floor. I'm not into symphonic metal either. I'm sure she's an amazing singer though.
I had Rob Halford at #20.
I have a pic!
June 4, 1984
Providence Civic Center
(https://i.imgur.com/0DLiy08.jpg)
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Two fantastic picks. Floor would've been probably in my Top 5, Rob I would've placed somewhere in the 20-25 range.
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Floor is amazing, had her ranked very high at #5.
While I love Halford and respect all he's done for metal, I just don't dig Preist that much.
Ditto... including the Floor ranking. I'm not 'in' to JP enough to consider Halford one of my faves, but I understand him being here. Impressive stat - she made 8 lists, and was top 10 in 7.
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I love both singers but not my fav 20 but probably in 30 or 40.
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Had Floor in my 30 somethings although I had Tarja higher albeit unlikely she will get a look-in now LOL...
Great to see Floor up there so high too \m/
ETA had check my original list but yes had Rob at #19 \m/
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Floor was in my top 5. Rob wasn’t on my list but I expected him on the big list.
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The only thing I’ve ever heard from Floor is her guest appearance on Pandemic by the DTP, which is great, but Symphonic metal has never never been my thing.
Rob is a legend. #9 for me.
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Neither on my list but cool with both. I've seen both live and Floor was great. Halford was good. I hope Simone Simmons is not on the list, because Floor and Anneke both are way way better. So is Amanda Somerville for that matter, who subbed for her on an Epica tour.
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Floor..... yeah I love her contribuions to Ayreon but outside of that Idon't listen to her output.
Rob.... not a Priest fan and have not thought much about his vocls.
Neither of them ranked in my list.
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Neither on my list but cool with both. I've seen both live and Floor was great. Halford was good. I hope Simone Simmons is not on the list, because Floor and Anneke both are way way better. So is Amanda Somerville for that matter, who subbed for her on an Epica tour.
Floor will surely be the highest rated current female/metal vocalist. I can't see Simone coming in higher; definitely not Amanda... she doesn't carry the exposure/gravtias that Floor does - around here, or in general. Plus, she's been largely gone since having her 2nd/3rd children a few years back.
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Heard of but never heard Floor, have heard but never liked anything by Halford/Priest.
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Rob #5 for me. His high register in the 70s is unmatched, but he could sing like that into the early 2000s. Live Insurrection for example.
22 Plant
7 McCartney
5 Halford
1 Wilson
4 so far out of the 7 I guessed would make it.
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Had Floor at 4, Seeing her live twice gave her a boost. She is right behind my top female rock/metal singer, who I had hoped had an outside shot at making the list as I thought her band would be popular with participants.
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I didn’t rank Floor, but she was close to making my list. I had Halford at #21. I actually thought I had ranked him much higher than that.
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This is getting ridiculous, who is Floor?
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This is getting ridiculous, who is Floor?
Most well known for:
4th member of the original Star One lineup
Lead singer for now disbanded ReVamp and After Forever
Regular vocalist on Ayreon albums
Lead singer for Nightwish
Just YT search Ghost Love Floor. Buenes Aries or Wacken. Take your pick.
Shit, now I wish I was in your Roulette. You're giving people lots of hints!
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Yeah, her Ghost Love Score performance is fucking legend.... That along with Pisces by Jinjer are easily my two favorite reaction vids to watch.
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Nightwish headlining Wacken to close the Imaginaerum tour is probably a Top 3 concert DVD for my liking. Flawless. Simply flawless.
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This is getting ridiculous, who is Floor?
Most well known for:
4th member of the original Star One lineup
Lead singer for now disbanded ReVamp and After Forever
Regular vocalist on Ayreon albums
Lead singer for Nightwish
Just YT search Ghost Love Floor. Buenes Aries or Wacken. Take your pick.
Shit, now I wish I was in your Roulette. You're giving people lots of hints!
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Nah, I know Floor, I'm just fucking with you. I had a few Nightwish songs on mp3 back in the day (Dark Chest of Wonders :metal ), but I think that was before Floor joined the band right?
I don't listen to a great deal of female fronted metal, and haven't checked out any new female fronted symphonic metal in probably 15 years! I'm not totally against it though, so yea you should've joined my roulette. My next one is going to be an album roulette :corn
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Nightwish headlining Wacken to close the Imaginaerum tour is probably a Top 3 concert DVD for my liking. Flawless. Simply flawless.
Totally agree. 99% of my Nightwish listening is actually to that live album
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Floor Jansen - She fell just outside of my top 25 at #32. Amazing vocalist! She has the power, the range, and the ability to sing in numerous styles. Love her on the older Nightwish stuff live and in After Forever, but I think her limited output of what I actually enjoy hurt her chances of making it into my top 25.
Rob Halford - No question he would make my list. He was at #12. Just a monster of a vocalist. Impressive range from low register all the way of to the highest of the high and with an impressive output of quality music, it's a no brainer to end up on this list.
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My results remain the same. Not familiar with Floor and Rob I barely considered.
6. Robert Plant
5. Chris Cornell
2. Layne Staley
And selections from my long list: Ann Wilson, Jon Anderson, Åkerfeldt, McCartney, Gabriel, Delp
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Floor just barely missed the cut on mine. Probably top 30. For a long time she was in my top 10, but Nightwish's lackluster last few albums haven't helped, and other vocalists have grown on me or I've found other ones since then. Floor has probably close to the most raw talent though.
Halford is maybe in my top 75, just an incredible singer.
If Floor is already in, I'm guessing Simone probably didn't quite make the cut, and I can't see anyone similar being higher, though I'd love to be wrong.
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Floor just barely missed the cut on mine. Probably top 30. For a long time she was in my top 10, but Nightwish's lackluster last few albums haven't helped, and other vocalists have grown on me or I've found other ones since then. Floor has probably close to the most raw talent though.
Halford is maybe in my top 75, just an incredible singer.
If Floor is already in, I'm guessing Simone probably didn't quite make the cut, and I can't see anyone similar being higher, though I'd love to be wrong.
Yeah, I have a hard time seeing Simone scoring higher than Floor in this group, I did have her in mine though if that's any consolation.
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Floor Jansen - not considered. I just don't listen to enough of her music for her to make my top 25 favourite vocalist list. I have watched her live performance of Ghost Love Score and it is amazing, no doubt of her talent.
Rob Halford - my number 13. Just awesome. Love Priest and love Rob. One of the greats.
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Had Halford at number 5. :metal
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If for some reason anyone isn't familiar with Floor, this is an all-time metal performance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvkYwOJZONU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvkYwOJZONU)
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19 Jon Anderson #20 The Yes Album, Fragile, Close To The Edge, Going For The One, 90125.....all in my Top 75 albums.
18 Anneke van Giersbergen NR *
17 Michael Kiske NR Never heard a second of Helloween until this year, when Samsara and TAC provided a couple suggestions from Tim’s concert countdown. The man has some pipes!
16 Chris Cornell NR only after hearing Brian May on ‘New Damage’ did I give Soundgarden a serious listen. After, I enjoyed enough of their material (and related) for two ‘best ofs’. Btw…my wife is a huge JC Superstar fan of the movie and the soundtrack. She’s met Ted Neeley numerous times. Pardon the pun, but she follows him religiously ;) It took her many years of our annual listens to enjoy Ian Gillan on the studio version. In our opinions, Chris Cornell had the range to have delivered a great performance as lead on it had the opportunity existed.
He was one of my top thirty.
15 Robert Plant #5 I, II, IV, Houses of the Holy...all in my Top 75 albums as well.
14 Daniel Gildenlow NR
13 Ann Wilson #21 first, thanks for posting the link for the Kennedy Center LZ tribute (to think that CBS originally aired an edited version. :huh: >:( ) I only own their ‘Greatest Hits’ and ‘Bebe LeStrange’ for ‘Rockin’ Heaven Down’….A hidden gem that ends Side One, and always closes my best of. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQHvKmt6lBk Wish the fade out had gone on another thirty seconds......
(FYI... Heart was the opening act for many of Queen’s European ‘Hot Space’ '82 outdoor shows, including Milton Keynes)
12 Floor Jansen NR *
11 Rob Halford NR I respect Priest, not a fan, but thought he’d end up in the Top Ten here.
* not familiar with any of their material. I plan on checking out the recommendations when time permits.
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Since I was listed as having Floor the highest as my #2, it's no surprise what I think of her. What may be surprising is that I don't actively listen to any band she is in anymore. But that doesn't have anything to do with her. I think anyone that listens to her can tell she is a really good singer. But over the last few years, I've seen a TON of videos of singers and vocal coaches reacting to her performances and dissecting what she does, how she does it, and why she does it, and I've been convinced that she is one of the most talented, highly trained, technical, and intentional singers in pop/rock/metal. (it would be awesome if just a fraction of these people in videos would pronounce her name correctly, but whatever) Just about every note, every phrasing, every stylistic choice is meticulously chosen. And that says nothing of her uncanny ability to do things that a lot of other singers in any genre just can't do. She obviously isn't my #1 favorite. But she's easily the most talented of any I can see making any list. Nothing but huge respect for her as a singer.
Halford did not make my list, but I fully expected him to show up and be ranked highly.
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Since I was listed as having Floor the highest as my #2, it's no surprise what I think of her. What may be surprising is that I don't actively listen to any band she is in anymore. But that doesn't have anything to do with her. I think anyone that listens to her can tell she is a really good singer. But over the last few years, I've seen a TON of videos of singers and vocal coaches reacting to her performances and dissecting what she does, how she does it, and why she does it, and I've been convinced that she is one of the most talented, highly trained, technical, and intentional singers in pop/rock/metal. (it would be awesome if just a fraction of these people in videos would pronounce her name correctly, but whatever) Just about every note, every phrasing, every stylistic choice is meticulously chosen. And that says nothing of her uncanny ability to do things that a lot of other singers in any genre just can't do. She obviously isn't my #1 favorite. But she's easily the most talented of any I can see making any list. Nothing but huge respect for her as a singer.
Halford did not make my list, but I fully expected him to show up and be ranked highly.
Did you create your list based on singers you thought were the best over your personal favs?
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No. But one factor in why some are faves is how good they actually are. And I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
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No. But one factor in why some are faves is how good they actually are. And I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
Oh yeah, was a serious question, but I relate to this too of course. The ability of the singer and how much you like them go hand in hand. I guess it's those odd choices here and there where a singer may not be that great technically, yet they just scratch your specific itch.
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No. But one factor in why some are faves is how good they actually are. And I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
Oh yeah, was a serious question, but I relate to this too of course. The ability of the singer and how much you like them go hand in hand. I guess it's those odd choices here and there where a singer may not be that great technically, yet they just scratch your specific itch.
That's like most of my list! :lol
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No. But one factor in why some are faves is how good they actually are. And I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
Oh yeah, was a serious question, but I relate to this too of course. The ability of the singer and how much you like them go hand in hand. I guess it's those odd choices here and there where a singer may not be that great technically, yet they just scratch your specific itch.
Oh, totally. I have several that fit that category. Singers, guitarists...heck, even entire bands. I definitely have some where I'm like, "Yeah, these guys may not be great. But I just like what they do."
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No. But one factor in why some are faves is how good they actually are. And I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
Oh yeah, was a serious question, but I relate to this too of course. The ability of the singer and how much you like them go hand in hand. I guess it's those odd choices here and there where a singer may not be that great technically, yet they just scratch your specific itch.
That's like most of my list! :lol
I guess there's always a few more when you look a bit deeper but looking at yours, besides a few, most are 'very good singers', at least.
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Before we enter the top 10, here is a question for all submitters:
Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Mine was John Lodge, whom I had at 24. The Moody Blues are a longtime favorite of mine, and even though Justin Hayward and Ray Thomas were probably the best singers in the band, there was something about Lodge's voice that I always liked a lot.
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(it would be awesome if just a fraction of these people in videos would pronounce her name correctly, but whatever)
European names can be really tricky. For example, the way Simone Simons, Bjork, and Dan Swano are pronounced isn't at all intuitive. But unless I was talking to them or to a superfan in person, I'd probably just use the Americanized pronunciations, because even a lot of fans might be confused who I was even talking about.
The ability of the singer and how much you like them go hand in hand. I guess it's those odd choices here and there where a singer may not be that great technically, yet they just scratch your specific itch.
For me there's somewhat of a correlation, but tons of great technical singers that are nowhere near my list, and a few on it that are more iffy in terms of technique and ability.
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Before we enter the top 10, here is a question for all submitters:
Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Mine was John Lodge, whom I had at 24. The Moody Blues are a longtime favorite of mine, and even though Justin Hayward and Ray Thomas were probably the best singers in the band, there was something about Lodge's voice that I always liked a lot.
Mine would probably be Matthew Good. I had him at #22.
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No. But one factor in why some are faves is how good they actually are. And I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
Oh yeah, was a serious question, but I relate to this too of course. The ability of the singer and how much you like them go hand in hand. I guess it's those odd choices here and there where a singer may not be that great technically, yet they just scratch your specific itch.
Oh, totally. I have several that fit that category. Singers, guitarists...heck, even entire bands. I definitely have some where I'm like, "Yeah, these guys may not be great. But I just like what they do."
Yeah true. Sometimes even some artists being technically bad or not very good are the reason why you dig them, if that makes sense. :lol
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Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Like a third of my list, but in particular, there is virtually 0 chance anyone else has Steve Shannon on theirs, but I'm hoping anyone curious enough might check him out, as he has a hard rock/AOR style that should appeal to some people here.
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(it would be awesome if just a fraction of these people in videos would pronounce her name correctly, but whatever)
European names can be really tricky. For example, the way Simone Simons, Bjork, and Dan Swano are pronounced isn't at all intuitive. But unless I was talking to them or to a superfan in person, I'd probably just use the Americanized pronunciations, because even a lot of fans might be confused who I was even talking about.
The ability of the singer and how much you like them go hand in hand. I guess it's those odd choices here and there where a singer may not be that great technically, yet they just scratch your specific itch.
For me there's somewhat of a correlation, but tons of great technical singers that are nowhere near my list, and a few on it that are more iffy in terms of technique and ability.
Oh yeah, a singer can be the most technical singer in the world yet have no presence or character and I wouldn't like them. Heaps that are great singers but do nothing for me at all.
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Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Cool question. I have a few:
-Dave Meniketti: Just not popular enough. Even if this were a hard rock forum, I'm not sure he would make the cut. Not a very technical singer. But had surprising range and a lot of soul.
-Gary Cherone: Same, as far as popularity. VERY good singer. Excellent front man. But I wouldn't expect him to be on a lot of lists.
-Joe Elliott: Probably the "worst" of these three. But such an iconic voice and sang on some of my all time favorite songs growing up.
I have another that I thought might have a chance of finishing low on the top 25 that I am now pretty sure isn't there. But since I thought he might have a chance early on, I guess he doesn't fit.
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Before we enter the top 10, here is a question for all submitters:
Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Mine was John Lodge, whom I had at 24. The Moody Blues are a longtime favorite of mine, and even though Justin Hayward and Ray Thomas were probably the best singers in the band, there was something about Lodge's voice that I always liked a lot.
Here are 2. I'm pretty positive no one has Gerry Rafferty or Todd Rundgren. I have a few others I'm sure didn't make another list.
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Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
I have at least 7!
Rhett Forrester
Eric AK Knutson
Mike Howe
Biff Byford
Matt Smith
Jaocim Cans
Daniel Heiman
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Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Cool question. I have a few:
-Dave Meniketti: Just not popular enough. Even if this were a hard rock forum, I'm not sure he would make the cut. Not a very technical singer. But had surprising range and a lot of soul.
-Gary Cherone: Same, as far as popularity. VERY good singer. Excellent front man. But I wouldn't expect him to be on a lot of lists.
-Joe Elliott: Probably the "worst" of these three. But such an iconic voice and sang on some of my all time favorite songs growing up.
I have another that I thought might have a chance of finishing low on the top 25 that I am now pretty sure isn't there. But since I thought he might have a chance early on, I guess he doesn't fit.
I didn't have any of these 3 on my list. But I would be surprised if no one else had Gary or Joe. I reckon a couple of other people could have them.
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If I made a longer list, I could see Dave Meniketti coming in in the low 30's.
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Matthew Good, Rhett Forrester, Eric Knutson, Mike Howe, Biff Byford, Matt Smith, Joacim Cans and Daniel Heiman were all only on one list.
Gary Cherone, Joe Elliot and Dave Meniketti were all on more than one list.
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:lol
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Also, I won't say his number yet, but Puppies_On_Acid wins the distinction of having the most singers in the top 25 that were in his or her top 25! :tup :tup
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Also, I won't say his number yet, but Puppies_On_Acid wins the distinction of having the most singers in the top 25 that were in his or her top 25! :tup :tup
:lol
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Kinda surprised Heiman isn't on at least a few more lists, he's a power metal legend.
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Matthew Good, Rhett Forrester, Eric Knutson, Mike Howe, Biff Byford, Matt Smith, Joacim Cans and Daniel Heiman were all only on one list.
Gary Cherone, Joe Elliot and Dave Meniketti were all on more than one list.
Yes! I was pretty sure that would be the case. Those guys and their band(s) are just too popular for them not to feature as a favourite for some.
For myself, well I don't think I have anyone in my top 25 that is just exclusive to my own list. I think my list is pretty boring.
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-Joe Elliott: Probably the "worst" of these three. But such an iconic voice and sang on some of my all time favorite songs growing up.
He was on my list, largely due to the bolded.
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For my money Ann Wilson is the best female hard rock singer of all time, glad she made the list.
:tup
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Kinda surprised Heiman isn't on at least a few more lists, he's a power metal legend.
Only the generic 80's hard rock/metal guy had him! :lol
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Also, I won't say his number yet, but Puppies_On_Acid wins the distinction of having the most singers in the top 25 that were in his or her top 25! :tup :tup
Missing an "only", I think. Did you make a top 10 list of those?
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Ted Neeley
Donna Summer
Jim Morrison
Linda Ronstadt
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Kinda surprised Heiman isn't on at least a few more lists, he's a power metal legend.
Only the generic 80's hard rock/metal guy had him! :lol
I've found that the way to get know people is to join roulettes with them. ;)
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Neither Nightwish nor Jansen's vocal style impress me at all, so not on my list. Meanwhile, I had The METAL GOD at #4! :metal :hefdaddy
Metal it is!
12 Floor Jansen
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Appeared on 8 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (bosk1)
7 Top 10 Finishes
Great voice, great singer, but I couldn't rank her as I barely listen to anything she sings, just the Ayreon/Arjen albums in which she was one of many contributors. I don't really like symphonic prog metal, so her normal bands do not interest me. Again though, great singer for sure.
11 Rob Halford
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Appeared on 13 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 4 (DTwwbwMP)
6 Top 10 Finishes
I was hoping he would finish top 10, but he just missed out. I ranked him 9th; I likely would have had him higher years ago. Not that I think any lesser of him, but Priest is more of a once in a while band for me now rather than one I listen to regularly. For my money, when it comes to metal singers, he is in my holy trilogy along with Geoff Tate and Devin Townsend (I don't really think of James LaBrie as a metal singer per se).
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Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Easy one for me. Midge Ure of Ultravox was in my top 25. Love his vocals but NEVER even considered he would make this countdown.
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Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
James Murphy from LCD Soundsystem
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Gary Cherone, Joe Elliot and Dave Meniketti were all on more than one list.
Wow, that's a pleasant surprise.
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Before we enter the top 10, here is a question for all submitters:
Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Mine was John Lodge, whom I had at 24. The Moody Blues are a longtime favorite of mine, and even though Justin Hayward and Ray Thomas were probably the best singers in the band, there was something about Lodge's voice that I always liked a lot.
About half my list seemed unlikely to garner any other votes, but I’m fairly confident I’m the only person here who knows these 4 by name:
Glen Phillips
Tim Elsenberg
Paddy McAloon
Paul Buchanan (my second ranked singer)
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All I can say is if my number one didn't rank, well, shame!!!!!
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All I can say is if my number one didn't rank, well, shame!!!!!
He was on my list as well, but he won't make it.
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All I can say is if my number one didn't rank, well, shame!!!!!
He was on my list as well, but he won't make it.
Insanity. :facepalm:
So number one is now obvious. The incredible Paul Shortino. :biggrin:
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I have a few I don't think would be on anyone else's list to be honest.
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I'm curious whether anyone but me had two singers from the same band on their lists.
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I'm curious whether anyone but me had two singers from the same band on their lists.
Air Supply? Probably not. :lol
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I'm curious whether anyone but me had two singers from the same band on their lists.
Yep, but not at the same time. Came close to it with two others as well, besides Arjen projects, though it gets murkier.
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I'm curious whether anyone but me had two singers from the same band on their lists.
Air Supply? Probably not. :lol
Wolfking had Hall AND Oates! ;D
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I have 7-8 that haven't shown up yet that I REALLY thought were highly likely to make the top 25. But as the list dwindles, I'm less confident they would all make it. In fact, I would bet they don't all make it. But I'm hard pressed to figure out which of those will not.
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:smiley:
I'm curious whether anyone but me had two singers from the same band on their lists.
Air Supply? Probably not. :lol
Wolfking had Hall AND Oates! ;D
I like Oates voice on Italian Girls. I think Wolfie also had Milli and Vanilli. :lol
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Nope. Strictly a Maneater.
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I have 7-8 that haven't shown up yet that I REALLY thought were highly likely to make the top 25. But as the list dwindles, I'm less confident they would all make it. In fact, I would bet they don't all make it. But I'm hard pressed to figure out which of those will not.
Same! I have some really heavy hitters that would blow my mind not ranking.
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Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
I'd shart myself if anyone else had Johnny Gioelli.
As for others I'd be fairly confident I had the only submission...
David Benoit
Colm Wilkinson
Andrew McDermott
Sebastien Bach
There could be a couple more, but most are well known (and liked/appreciated) enough I'd think others mentioned them (ala Michael Ericksen).
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I'd shart myself if anyone else had Johnny Gioelli.
I did.
Okay, not really. Just wanted to see if you'd do it.
I also had Sebastian, and ranked him pretty highly too. Terrible technique in many respects, which is likely why his voice didn't last. But such raw, emotive power in those early years.
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All I can say is if my number one didn't rank, well, shame!!!!!
Not gonna lie: I would have gotten physically ill had your number 1 made the top 25.
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:lol
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All I can say is if my number one didn't rank, well, shame!!!!!
Not gonna lie: I would have gotten physically ill had your number 1 made the top 25.
No way. I had him at #11. He's the most underappreciated frontman and singer of his generation. He really doesn't get the respect he deserves for his talent.
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I'm curious whether anyone but me had two singers from the same band on their lists.
Air Supply? Probably not. :lol
Russell Hitchcock crossed my mind. If there was a "Top xx dual vocalists bands" Air Supply would be a lock for me.
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I'm curious whether anyone but me had two singers from the same band on their lists.
Air Supply? Probably not. :lol
Russell Hitchcock crossed my mind. If there was a "Top xx dual vocalists bands" Air Supply would be a lock for me.
I can't argue that. Excellent vocalists. I wish I could have included the Bee Gees as one.
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I'd shart myself if anyone else had Johnny Gioelli.
I did.
Okay, not really. Just wanted to see if you'd do it.
I also had Sebastian, and ranked him pretty highly too. Terrible technique in many respects, which is likely why his voice didn't last. But saw raw, emotive power in those early years.
Me too for Seb Bach and also ranked very high. One of my all time favourites in his prime.
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All I can say is if my number one didn't rank, well, shame!!!!!
Not gonna lie: I would have gotten physically ill had your number 1 made the top 25.
WOW! Really??? But Einer making the list didn't? :facepalm:
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All I can say is if my number one didn't rank, well, shame!!!!!
Not gonna lie: I would have gotten physically ill had your number 1 made the top 25.
WOW! Really??? But Einer making the list didn't? :facepalm:
Nah, because Einer's band is okay (from what I have heard).
I have zero respect or like for the band whose singer you put at number 1. Sorry, sir.
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And, more importantly, Einer's band is popular on this forum.
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So is Glasser's #1 singer's band.
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Yeah I get that but Einer's vocals are weak. On that criteria Geddy Lee should show up soon. I love Rush but Geddy's vocals are the weakest part of the band.
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There is no weakness in Rush, except for Time and Motion, the Time Stand Still video and the existence of Rivendell.
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Time And Motion is awesome. Kev, knock it off!
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I'm curious whether anyone but me had two singers from the same band on their lists.
I have 3 from one band and 2 from two others (one of whom was in all 3 bands!).
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Time And Motion is awesome. Kev, knock it off!
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I'm curious whether anyone but me had two singers from the same band on their lists.
I have 3 from one band and 2 from two others (one of whom was in all 3 bands!).
Ozzy, Dio, and Tony Martin?
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All I can say is if my number one didn't rank, well, shame!!!!!
Not gonna lie: I would have gotten physically ill had your number 1 made the top 25.
No way. I had him at #11. He's the most underappreciated frontman and singer of his generation. He really doesn't get the respect he deserves for his talent.
Well, it ain't Winger! Prolly Axel.
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I'm curious whether anyone but me had two singers from the same band on their lists.
I have 3 from one band and 2 from two others (one of whom was in all 3 bands!).
Ozzy, Dio, and Tony Martin?
Nope, but so far only one of these singers has made the list, and I expected at least two others to but we’re running out of real estate. One is a pretty big forum favorite.
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All I can say is if my number one didn't rank, well, shame!!!!!
Not gonna lie: I would have gotten physically ill had your number 1 made the top 25.
No way. I had him at #11. He's the most underappreciated frontman and singer of his generation. He really doesn't get the respect he deserves for his talent.
Well, it ain't Winger! Prolly Axel.
Maybe Alice? TAC probably has him higher than 11 though.
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:corn
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Nope, but I love Alice too! He's also one of the best entertainers of his generation.
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To fans of that band and singer, feel free to give it up if you want. I doubt anyone is expecting to see him in the top 10, so it's not like it is some massive spoiler.
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Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
I'd shart myself if anyone else had Johnny Gioelli.
As for others I'd be fairly confident I had the only submission...
David Benoit
Colm Wilkinson
Andrew McDermott
Sebastien Bach
There could be a couple more, but most are well known (and liked/appreciated) enough I'd think others mentioned them (ala Michael Ericksen).
McDermott came very close to my top 25. Love his voice!
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Yeah I get that but Einer's vocals are weak. On that criteria Geddy Lee should show up soon. I love Rush but Geddy's vocals are the weakest part of the band.
Einar's vocals....weak? Geddy Lee's voice weak? Get outta here! :loser:
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Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
I'd shart myself if anyone else had Johnny Gioelli.
As for others I'd be fairly confident I had the only submission...
David Benoit
Colm Wilkinson
Andrew McDermott
Sebastien Bach
Um....
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Yeah I get that but Einer's vocals are weak. On that criteria Geddy Lee should show up soon. I love Rush but Geddy's vocals are the weakest part of the band.
Einar's vocals....weak? Geddy Lee's voice weak? Get outta here! :loser:
Right, but Paul Stanley is apparently a strong vocalist. :lol :biggrin:
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Yeah I get that but Einer's vocals are weak. On that criteria Geddy Lee should show up soon. I love Rush but Geddy's vocals are the weakest part of the band.
Einar's vocals....weak? Geddy Lee's voice weak? Get outta here! :loser:
Einar's vocals may not be to everyone's taste, but they're anything but weak.
Same with Geddy, for that matter.
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Yeah I get that but Einer's vocals are weak. On that criteria Geddy Lee should show up soon. I love Rush but Geddy's vocals are the weakest part of the band.
Einar's vocals....weak? Geddy Lee's voice weak? Get outta here! :loser:
Right, but Paul Stanley is apparently a strong vocalist. :lol :biggrin:
He's excellent, actually.
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Yeah I get that but Einer's vocals are weak. On that criteria Geddy Lee should show up soon. I love Rush but Geddy's vocals are the weakest part of the band.
Einar's vocals....weak? Geddy Lee's voice weak? Get outta here! :loser:
I love Geddy but Rush being so iconic, do YOU think his vocals are top 25?
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Yeah I get that but Einer's vocals are weak. On that criteria Geddy Lee should show up soon. I love Rush but Geddy's vocals are the weakest part of the band.
Einar's vocals....weak? Geddy Lee's voice weak? Get outta here! :loser:
Right, but Paul Stanley is apparently a strong vocalist. :lol :biggrin:
He's excellent, actually.
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:P :P
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People I don’t expect on the list?
Most of them besides my top 4. Three of which are already there and I’m positive my number 3 will be there higher up.
But I don’t expect Sue Hutton, Matt Barlow, or Kobi Farhi.
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Awesome! If you had Paul at number 1, total respect. I didn't rank him in my top 25 but he was heavily considered and deserves any love and praise he gets.
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I had Paul at #11. An amazing talent.
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Yeah I get that but Einer's vocals are weak. On that criteria Geddy Lee should show up soon. I love Rush but Geddy's vocals are the weakest part of the band.
Einar's vocals....weak? Geddy Lee's voice weak? Get outta here! :loser:
I love Geddy but Rush being so iconic, do YOU think his vocals are top 25?
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Awesome! If you had Paul at number 1, total respect. I didn't rank him in my top 25 but he was heavily considered and deserves any love and praise he gets.
Yes. He's been my idol since I was 6. He's the only human I would still, at my age, get starstruck over. TOTAL ICON!
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I had Paul at #11. An amazing talent.
Yes, now I feel bad for leaving him out....
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Yeah I get that but Einer's vocals are weak. On that criteria Geddy Lee should show up soon. I love Rush but Geddy's vocals are the weakest part of the band.
Einar's vocals....weak? Geddy Lee's voice weak? Get outta here! :loser:
I love Geddy but Rush being so iconic, do YOU think his vocals are top 25?
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:metal
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I'm so sorry I dragged Geddy into this. :facepalm:
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Yeah I get that but Einer's vocals are weak. On that criteria Geddy Lee should show up soon. I love Rush but Geddy's vocals are the weakest part of the band.
Einar's vocals....weak? Geddy Lee's voice weak? Get outta here! :loser:
I love Geddy but Rush being so iconic, do YOU think his vocals are top 25?
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I'll admit to a strong bias due to my love for Rush, but while his vocals were pretty rough around the edges in the early days, by the time the 80s rolled around and he (mostly) stopped the shrieking, he showed what a good singer he was. His style was unique to say the least and certainly not for everyone, that is for sure.
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I have loved Rush my entire life, all I was saying is his actual voice was not what sold me. The songwriting and musicianship blew me away, I grew to appreciate his vocals.
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Well...aside from the Japanese singers who I can pretty much guarantee aren't on anyone else's list?
I'd say I got a good 5 or 6 that won't...off the top of my head Riley McShane of Allegaeon, Kobi Farhi of Orphaned Land, and Spencer Sotelo of Periphery aren't on anyone else's list.
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I’ve seen Morrison and Bach mentioned, I had both.
Unlikely to be on anyone else’s list:
Frank Sinatra
Debby Harry
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I wouldn't be surprised to see either of them...If I had thought it through a bit more, I probably would've had Debby on mine...she was my first crush in '78 after all.
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Epic! Now imagine Geddy singing "Detroit Rock City" and Paul singing "The Trees".
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I wouldn't be surprised to see either of them...If I had thought it through a bit more, I probably would've had Debby on mine...she was my first crush in '78 after all.
Same! I had a poster of her that looked like the bottom of a bird cage.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see either of them...If I had thought it through a bit more, I probably would've had Debby on mine...she was my first crush in '78 after all.
Same! I had a poster of her that looked like the bottom of a bird cage.
:rollin
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16 Chris Cornell NR only after hearing Brian May on ‘New Damage’ did I give Soundgarden a serious listen. After, I enjoyed enough of their material (and related) for two ‘best ofs’. Btw…my wife is a huge JC Superstar fan of the movie and the soundtrack. She’s met Ted Neeley numerous times. Pardon the pun, but she follows him religiously ;) It took her many years of our annual listens to enjoy Ian Gillan on the studio version. In our opinions, Chris Cornell had the range to have delivered a great performance as lead on it had the opportunity existed.
Ted Neeley
Donna Summer
Jim Morrison
Linda Ronstadt
You might have just moved to the top spot as to my wife's favorite posters on this forum :D
(or a very close 2nd)
Nice list. I had Diana Ross, who was probably only on my list.
And, I did have three singers from one band (two of which were probably only on my list).
TAC.....I was looking for you in that picture!!!!!!!!!!
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16 Chris Cornell NR only after hearing Brian May on ‘New Damage’ did I give Soundgarden a serious listen. After, I enjoyed enough of their material (and related) for two ‘best ofs’. Btw…my wife is a huge JC Superstar fan of the movie and the soundtrack. She’s met Ted Neeley numerous times. Pardon the pun, but she follows him religiously ;) It took her many years of our annual listens to enjoy Ian Gillan on the studio version. In our opinions, Chris Cornell had the range to have delivered a great performance as lead on it had the opportunity existed.
Ted Neeley
Donna Summer
Jim Morrison
Linda Ronstadt
You might have just moved to the top spot as to my wife's favorite posters on this forum :D
(or a very close 2nd)
Nice list. I had Diana Ross, who was probably only on my list.
I heard the 1970 JCS soundtrack long before seeing the 1973 film, but still associate Ted as Jesus*, so struggle with who has the defining Jesus voice. I almost put Murray Head on my list solely on the basis of "I shall be dragged through the slime and the, slime and the, SLIME AND THE MUD!"
Diana Ross was a consideration of mine as well.
*I read a great comment once that Ted played Jesus on stage longer than the actual Jesus was alive.
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I have quite a few that I think no one else has.
The highest ranked of these is Krister Linder (at number 8.
I love his voice but with the little output and the I guess low input on the music scene.
The biggest hit he has had is probably Captain Nemo with Dive (during which time he went under the name Chris Lancelot)
https://youtu.be/B3vAUtmAbus
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Before we enter the top 10, here is a question for all submitters:
Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Huey Lewis!
Have always loved his voice and remember it's 'FAVES' so go easy... ;D
Actually had another 4 choices I doubt anyone else will have 3 of which am 99.9% certain won't have had any other votes ..
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Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Many singers to list. Lzzy Hale from Halestorm. Chris Daughtry from Daughtry. Among many others.
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Huey Lewis
Solid. Love Huey.
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Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Many singers to list. Lzzy Hale from Halestorm. Chris Daughtry from Daughtry. Among many others.
Lzzy was very close for me but no didn't make it... She is great.
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Which one are you Tim?
As for singers not rated on anyone else's lists, I'm fairly certain these won't be on anyone else's...
Benji Webbe
Pelle Almqvist
Chris Creswell
Fat Mike
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Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Elliott Smith. Possibly also Shirley Manson, Grace Slick and Dusty Springfield.
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Alright, let's kick off the top 10!!
Last night's convo probably could have waited a day, given who's at number 10...:lol
10 Geddy Lee
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Appeared on 12 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 5 (KevShmev)
5 Top 10 Finishes
Yes, I had him ranked 5th. Rush has been my favorite band now for 31 years, so how could he not rank very high for me? His vocals were a bit spastic in the early days, and his last few years were pretty rough, but his 1980-1993 years showed what a damn fine singer he was in his prime.
09 Ray Alder
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Appeared on 10 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (pg1067, Tomislav95)
7 Top 10 Finishes
Fates Warning is one of those bands where I get the appeal, but they simply have never really grabbed me, outside of A Pleasant Shade of Gray. Alder is a good singer for sure.
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Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Jorn Lande, Hansi Kürsch, Andrea Bocelli, Celine Dion, Jennifer Holiday, Lara Fabian, David Bowie, Angela Gossow...
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Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Jorn Lande, Hansi Kürsch, Andrea Bocelli, Celine Dion, Jennifer Holiday, Lara Fabian, David Bowie, Angela Gossow...
Oh man. Bocelli should’ve made mine. Ugh. My list was bad.
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I didn't make a list, but if I had Bocelli would have been right at the top.
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I love Rush but would not have considered Geddy for my list.
Ray is great, and he’s improved over the last 10 years after noticeably declining the previous 10.
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I like Rush's music but not their vocal. To be honest Geddy Lee is the reason I lost interest in Rush over the years. I still think Rush is an iconic band for the music industry but vocals are huge handicap for me to fully appreciate.
Ray Alder is an awesome singer and he would make top 50 list for me.
Both singer are not my top 25.
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I've always liked Geddy and grew to like him more and more as I got into Rush. I've still never made time for Fates Warning, I should fix that.
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Neither made my list.
Love Rush but not for outstanding vocals.
Haven't listened too much to Fates Warning.
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Both just missed my cut. I did have Alder in the top 25 on my first draft, but then he got bumped with some other names I’d omitted initially. Both are understandable as to why they’re here though.
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Geddy was #8 for me. Once the 80’s came around and he cooled it with the shrieking vocals, he became quite an impressive singer.
I’ve tried many times to get into Fates Warning. They’re just not for me.
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Before we enter the top 10, here is a question for all submitters:
Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Mine was John Lodge, whom I had at 24. The Moody Blues are a longtime favorite of mine, and even though Justin Hayward and Ray Thomas were probably the best singers in the band, there was something about Lodge's voice that I always liked a lot.
Easily half of my list. I doubt David Coverdale or Johnette Napolitano are going to appear here. :) Same with Jack Russell, Ben Orr (The Cars) or Hank Williams, Jr.
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I'm curious whether anyone but me had two singers from the same band on their lists.
I did. In fact, technically speaking, the two singers in question were in TWO different "same" bands.
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I’m with Kev. Prime Geddy (I’d say 1980-2000) was a wonderful singer who gave a consistently great vocal performance on record at least. Lots of great singers didn’t sound that good for even 20 years before they lost it. His voice is one of the reasons I love that era of Rush the most. That said, he only came in at number 15 for me, which partly reflects how much I dislike a lot of his 70s performances and perhaps some of the later years as well. But he is one of the great rock vocalists in my opinion.
Alder did not rank for me, but I enjoy his voice for what it is. He gives a strong, consistent performance on the Fates albums I know. I sometimes feel that he is constrained to certain similar melody lines and that can make him a little sterile sounding. But he’s good at what he does.
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All I can say is if my number one didn't rank, well, shame!!!!!
Not gonna lie: I would have gotten physically ill had your number 1 made the top 25.
No way. I had him at #11. He's the most underappreciated frontman and singer of his generation. He really doesn't get the respect he deserves for his talent.
Who are we talking about? I missed it if Glasser revealed his number 1. Lemmy?
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Wow, 2 for 2!!!
I knew both would rank pretty wee in the countdown. I actually expected Geddy to rank higher.
Here's my list. I have 4 so far, plus the confirmed ones that didn't make it. I predicted I'd have 6 on the list, maybe 7. I am expecting two more.
25 Mike Howe
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23 Daniel Heiman
22 Joacim Cans
21 Rhett Forrester
20 Rob Halford
19 Biff Byford
18 Ray Alder
17 Eric Knutson
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13 Geddy Lee
12 Matt Smith
11 Paul Stanley
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1 Michael Kiske
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All I can say is if my number one didn't rank, well, shame!!!!!
Not gonna lie: I would have gotten physically ill had your number 1 made the top 25.
No way. I had him at #11. He's the most underappreciated frontman and singer of his generation. He really doesn't get the respect he deserves for his talent.
Who are we talking about? I missed it if Glasser revealed his number 1. Lemmy?
No. It's someone that I would expect to definitely be on your list though.
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Yeah I get that but Einer's vocals are weak. On that criteria Geddy Lee should show up soon. I love Rush but Geddy's vocals are the weakest part of the band.
Einar's vocals....weak? Geddy Lee's voice weak? Get outta here! :loser:
Right, but Paul Stanley is apparently a strong vocalist. :lol :biggrin:
He's excellent, actually.
I've seen them more times than any other band, and I can only name one performance where I was not BLOWN AWAY by his vocals, and even then it wasn't bad at all. He didn't make my list - I went with more iconic vocalists - but he is WAYYYYYY underrated as a vocalist.
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Very disappointed Stadler. How is Paul Stanley NOT iconic?
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Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Elliott Smith. Possibly also Shirley Manson, Grace Slick and Dusty Springfield.
Shirley Manson was #44 on my original list. Love her.
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FWIW, Tim... Matt Smith *just* missed my cut.
Well, with only 8 spots left, I'm looking at my list and thinking for more than a few of them "how the hell did they not rank, ??"... which I'm sure most/all of us are doing to some extent. Especially given some of the names that are already here.
TASTESTM!!!
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Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Elliott Smith. Possibly also Shirley Manson, Grace Slick and Dusty Springfield.
Shirley Manson was #44 on my original list. Love her.
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Very disappointed Stadler. How is Paul Stanley NOT iconic?
He IS iconic, though. If we were doing "front men" he'd be in the top three. Maybe top two (Freddie would be number one). Paul is more the "total package" though, than just his vocals. And to be honest, I prefer Gene's vocals - just the vocals.
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Very disappointed Stadler. How is Paul Stanley NOT iconic?
He IS iconic, though. If we were doing "front men" he'd be in the top three. Maybe top two (Freddie would be number one). Paul is more the "total package" though, than just his vocals. And to be honest, I prefer Gene's vocals - just the vocals.
To be honest, I expected both to be on your list.
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Very disappointed Stadler. How is Paul Stanley NOT iconic?
He IS iconic, though. If we were doing "front men" he'd be in the top three. Maybe top two (Freddie would be number one). Paul is more the "total package" though, than just his vocals. And to be honest, I prefer Gene's vocals - just the vocals.
To be honest, I expected both to be on your list.
Paul was #32, Gene was #50.
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Both Geddy and Ray were on my list - #6 and 7. :metal
Very happy they both made it. :)
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Ray, yes. My #1. He is the case of a singer that could sing anything and I'd like it. Just love how he adapted older FW songs for his more (now) natural range. His use of ornamentation is one of the best in rock/metal imo. He uses it often but not too often (like Karevik for example).
I like Geddy but didn't rank him. Didn't expect to see him tbh even though many people love Rush here. Polarizing voice for sure.
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Very disappointed Stadler. How is Paul Stanley NOT iconic?
He IS iconic, though. If we were doing "front men" he'd be in the top three. Maybe top two (Freddie would be number one). Paul is more the "total package" though, than just his vocals. And to be honest, I prefer Gene's vocals - just the vocals.
To be honest, I expected both to be on your list.
Paul was #32, Gene was #50.
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FWIW, Tim... Matt Smith *just* missed my cut.
I just don't think anyone knows who he is, or is not into that style of music. But he is ridiculous.
Well, with only 8 spots left, I'm looking at my list and thinking for more than a few of them "how the hell did they not rank, ??"... which I'm sure most/all of us are doing to some extent. Especially given some of the names that are already here.
I expect only 2 left on my list will make it. I'm actually more confident in one than I am the other though, with only 8 spots left.
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Rob Halford was No. 35.
Robert Plant is just... I saw him live twice, once solo and once with Page and Plant. He is MESMERIZING on stage. Really, really powerful. I think "examples" with him sort of misses the point, though, since he's so interpretive live. I will say, my single greatest concert moment was Robert Plant and Jimmy Page live. "The Song Remains The Same" was transcendent. I felt like I was in a trance it was so powerful. In that same show, he was singing "Calling To You" and the band broke down into a little vamp, the room got dark and then as if from nowhere, he sang "Stop, hey, what's that sound" (the Buffalo Springfield song) and bright white lights shot to the audience, and it clicked; I got it. I got why everyone made such a big deal about Zeppelin in the '70's.
1. Battle Of Evermore
2. Ten Years Gone
3. In The Light
Ann Wilson is my favorite female vocalist by far, and at times may be my favorite VOCALIST ever. I've never seen Heart, but I saw Gov't Mule a couple years ago, and she just showed up - in New Haven, CT - and sang the entire second set (more or less). Mostly Zeppelin songs, but not all. So good.
1. Wait For An Answer - this song STILL gives me chills when I hear it. It's a crappy song, but her vocal is just otherworldly
2. Mistral Wind
3. Dream Of The Archer
I'm going to list some favs for Halford; my first concert was Bruce Dickinson/Rob Halford as vocalists, so it set a pretty high bar!
1. Run Of The Mill - everyone points to "Victim Of Changes" as the "epic", but while the song is sort of... his vocal, especially the mid-section, is awesome.
2. Dreamer/Deceiver
3. Freewheel Burning - not my favorite song but it's amazing that he can do that live.
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Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Jorn Lande, Hansi Kürsch, Andrea Bocelli, Celine Dion, Jennifer Holiday, Lara Fabian, David Bowie, Angela Gossow...
Kürsch and Bowie were on my list. And I think they can be realistically expected to appear on a couple of more (the same with Lande).
As for the original question, I am pretty sure I am the only one to have ranked Loreena McKennitt (a celtic world music singer and songwriter).
There are other few where I think there is a good chance I was the only ranker but I am far from confident: Cat Stevens, Art Garfunkel, Dolores O'Riordan (a Cranberries singer).
And the ones where I think at least one or two others ranked them as well but I wouldn't be all that surprised if I turned out to be the only ranker and there is zero chance they will make the collective Top 25: Ian Anderson, Zach Stevens, Jon Oliva, Michael Stipe, Annie Haslam and Greg Lake...
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Before we enter the top 10, here is a question for all submitters:
Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Mine was John Lodge, whom I had at 24. The Moody Blues are a longtime favorite of mine, and even though Justin Hayward and Ray Thomas were probably the best singers in the band, there was something about Lodge's voice that I always liked a lot.
Easily half of my list. I doubt David Coverdale or Johnette Napolitano are going to appear here. :) Same with Jack Russell, Ben Orr (The Cars) or Hank Williams, Jr.
I have David Coverdale at nr 21 on my list..... great vocalist in his prime
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Re. two singers from the same band - I immediately thought of Dominici. I wonder if anyone ranked him. If I were to guess, I would say no, but what do I know...
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Re: 2 singers from 1 band - yep. Hint: one of its 3, count 'em, 3 singers died last week.
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Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Jorn Lande, Hansi Kürsch, Andrea Bocelli, Celine Dion, Jennifer Holiday, Lara Fabian, David Bowie, Angela Gossow...
Kürsch and Bowie were on my list. And I think they can be realistically expected to appear on a couple of more (the same with Lande).
As for the original question, I am pretty sure I am the only one to have ranked Loreena McKennitt (a celtic world music singer and songwriter).
There are other few where I think there is a good chance I was the only ranker but I am far from confident: Cat Stevens, Art Garfunkel, Dolores O'Riordan (a Cranberries singer).
And the ones where I think at least one or two others ranked them as well but I wouldn't be all that surprised if I turned out to be the only ranker and there is zero chance they will make the collective Top 25: Ian Anderson, Zach Stevens, Jon Oliva, Michael Stipe, Annie Haslam and Greg Lake...
Love Dolores, but she didn't make my list.
I have it on good authority that you aren't the only one to rank Michael Stipe or Greg Lake.
By the way, it's amazing to me how many singers I love and yet there are only so many spots in the top 25.
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Ray, yes. My #1. He is the case of a singer that could sing anything and I'd like it. Just love how he adapted older FW songs for his more (now) natural range. His use of ornamentation is one of the best in rock/metal imo. He uses it often but not too often (like Karevik for example)...
Nice write-up cheers. I had Ray at #8.
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Catching up:
I did not have Floor Jansen or Rob Halford in the top-25. However, they are in my top-30, with Halford over Floor.
I also didn't have Geddy ranked. Love Ged, love Rush. But his voice isn't one that I'd call one of my favorites. He gets the job done for what Rush does, and sings amazingly well. But he's not one of my favorites. MAYBE in the top-50? I'd have to think about it.
Ray Alder though - he was absolutely on my list. Checked in at #9, so I nailed it with the forum consensus.
Regarding those that thought Frank Sinatra and Sebastian Bach would not be on anyone else's list - I have Bach on mine at #19. I doubt he he makes DTF's ranking. As for Ol' Blue Eyes, he was not in my top-25, but would have been in my top-40.
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There was a time years ago when Sebastian Bach would have been very high on my list. Amazing voice for sure, but I just don’t listen to his music very much any more.
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Catching up as well...
Floor made my list. She's absolutely amazing and part of my ranking could be that I saw her perform earlier this year and it just blew my mind. Nightwish was by far the best concert I've seen this year and a lot of it was because of her performance. Here's a clip of how their show ended, with her just singing with the rest of the band standing by. So good https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/1523865794454634496 (https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/1523865794454634496)
Halford makes a lot of sense to be listed, but I've never been a big JP fan so he was never under consideration for myself.
Geddy is a bit of a surprise. Obviously this forum loves Rush, but his vocals are... not good and I don't believe they are the reason why people love Rush. I kind of thought he'd be ranked closer to 25 for that and not this high. I'm not a fan of Rush and mostly because of Geddy.
Alder.... really good singer. I kind of also am shocked he's ranked this high but at least I can say I enjoy his vocals. I just don't really love the bands he's associated with. His solo album was solid, but also, not something I personally would rank highly of. Good singer for sure though.
As for singers who I listed that I doubt make this list... I have quite a few so not worth mentioning, but I did notice I sent Kev "Taylor Hawkins" lol when I meant "Justin Hawkins" I've made this mistake so many times since Justin was involved in the Taylor memorials recently :lol But yeah, I doubt The Darkness singer made this cut.
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As for singers who I listed that I doubt make this list... I have quite a few so not worth mentioning, but I did notice I sent Kev "Taylor Hawkins" lol when I meant "Justin Hawkins" I've made this mistake so many times since Justin was involved in the Taylor memorials recently :lol But yeah, I doubt The Darkness singer made this cut.
But tell.us who your punk vocalists were!
I can appreciate Hawkins, but he didn't make my list. He gets the most play time in my house at this time of year, as Don't Let the Bells End is the greatest Christmas song!
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As for singers who I listed that I doubt make this list... I have quite a few so not worth mentioning, but I did notice I sent Kev "Taylor Hawkins" lol when I meant "Justin Hawkins" I've made this mistake so many times since Justin was involved in the Taylor memorials recently :lol But yeah, I doubt The Darkness singer made this cut.
But tell.us who your punk vocalists were!
I can appreciate Hawkins, but he didn't make my list. He gets the most play time in my house at this time of year, as Don't Let the Bells End is the greatest Christmas song!
I don't think my punk vocalists make the list either so they are: Davey Havok (#5) and Glenn Danzig (#25)
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As for singers who I listed that I doubt make this list... I have quite a few so not worth mentioning, but I did notice I sent Kev "Taylor Hawkins" lol when I meant "Justin Hawkins" I've made this mistake so many times since Justin was involved in the Taylor memorials recently :lol But yeah, I doubt The Darkness singer made this cut.
But tell.us who your punk vocalists were!
I can appreciate Hawkins, but he didn't make my list. He gets the most play time in my house at this time of year, as Don't Let the Bells End is the greatest Christmas song!
I don't think my punk vocalists make the list either so they are: Davey Havok (#5) and Glenn Danzig (#25)
Davey Havok didn't make mine (good call though), but I had Danzig at 24 I think!
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I had Alder. Interestingly, I think he has gotten better after losing range. His voice is just more full and he's been forced into some better singing habits.
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Catching up:
14. Daniel Gildenlow: I know that he is very talented, because I've seen him plenty of times performing live with Transatlantic, but I've never cared for Pain of Salvation. Not rated.
13. Ann Wilson: Just a sensational powerhouse singer. She made my list at 18. All killer, no filler.
12. Floor Jansen: Not rated. Never cared for any of the bands she performs with.
11. Rob Halford: Not rated. I can't stand Judas Priest.
10. Geddy Lee: Not rated. I love Rush, but it's certainly not because of Geddy's voice. It's not what I would call "good", but I do think that it's perfect for that band.
9. Ray Alder: Not rated. I liked his work with Redemption (although I've never been into Fates Warning), but I never thought he had an exceptional voice. Pretty standard melodic metal singer.
Singers in my Top 25 I'm pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list? Probably most of my list, but I'll just name Grace Cummings.
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There was a time years ago when Sebastian Bach would have been very high on my list. Amazing voice for sure, but I just don’t listen to his music very much any more.
He is on my list for sure....
He floored me when Skid Row broke
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Bach didn't make my list because I find him fairly irrelevant musically. He's got a big mouth that gets him attention, but it seems mostly negative attention. I'm sure he was amazing in his prime though, I do like Skid Row, but he was never a thought for me.
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I like Rush, but Geddy's voice was always an impediment to liking them more than I do, especially the earlier albums.
Ray is on my list of vocalists to pay more attention to. I've been intrigued by what I've heard so far.
Many singers to list. Lzzy Hale from Halestorm. Chris Daughtry from Daughtry.
Lzzy might be in my top 100, great voice. Daughty is incredibly talented, but I wish he would find a more interesting band or songwriter to work with.
Possibly also Shirley Manson, Grace Slick
Like both, not nearly enough time with them to be on my list.
Jorn Lande, Hansi Kürsch, Andrea Bocelli...Angela Gossow...
Not sure why you'd think that. Lande and Hansi definitely have fans around here. I'd think there's an outside shot Hansi is in the DTF top 10, and if not, I'll bet he's in the top 50. For Lande, TAC might not be among them, but one person has already spoken up that he's on their list, and I'm another. Bocelli is definitely quite gifted, but another that does a style that is just mostly off DTF's radar. Angela would be on a list of growlers for me for sure.
Loreena McKennitt...Dolores O'Riordan (a Cranberries singer).
Like both, but more cases of just not enough listening time. Dolores had that semi-yodeling thing going on at times that was sometimes endearing and sometimes a bit vexing.
I doubt David Coverdale
I enjoy his vocals, but not quite enough for this.
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Jorn Lande, Hansi Kürsch, Andrea Bocelli...Angela Gossow...
Not sure why you'd think that. Lande and Hansi definitely have fans around here. I'd think there's an outside shot Hansi is in the DTF top 10, and if not, I'll bet he's in the top 50. For Lande, TAC might not be among them, but one person has already spoken up that he's on their list, and I'm another. Bocelli is definitely quite gifted, but another that does a style that is just mostly off DTF's radar. Angela would be on a list of growlers for me for sure.
Hansi is on my list, love him! Lande is an awesome singer, but outside of his work in Avantasia, I haven't really listened to too much of him. Not much of a fan of Masterplan although I don't think they are bad. I just couldn't rank him even though he's my favorite of the Avantasia guests.
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Damn...8 pages to catch up from the weekend!
14 Daniel Gildenlow
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13 Ann Wilson
12 Floor Jansen
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11 Rob Halford
10 Geddy Lee
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09 Ray Alder
4 out of 6 made my list! I have no idea who Gildenlow and Jansen are (although, based on that gif, I'll have to check out the latter).
Ann Wilson is just AMAZING. The power, the attitude. I had her at 11, and I easily could've had her higher.
Rob Halford is my guy. The pipes are beyond compare. I had him at #8, although in retrospect, I think I might have switched him with my #5 singer. Here he and I are back when I represented him.
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Geddy Lee...what can I say. I've regarded Rush as my favorite band since the mid-'80s. He was versatile and, in his heyday, the man could bring it! Had him at #13.
As noted, Ray Alder was my #1 (you couldn't have found a better picture, Kev?!). No band (not Dream Theater, not Rush) has put out such consistently good albums over such a long period of time. I'd probably have 10 of their 13 studio albums in my top 75 (if I ever made such a list), and Ray's voice has been such an indispensable part of 10 of those albums. Even the albums at the bottom feature amazing vocals from Ray. AND, when he couldn't bring the high screams anymore, he had the good sense to alter the melody lines so he could still deliver top notch live performances.
Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Honestly, no one. When I originally ran the ranker, Rocky Kuner (formerly of YYNOT) ended up at #25, but I removed her primarily because I "knew" she wouldn't be on any other list. I'm quite confident that everyone on the list I submitted is on multiple other lists.
Easily half of my list. I doubt David Coverdale or Johnette Napolitano are going to appear here. :) Same with Jack Russell, Ben Orr (The Cars) or Hank Williams, Jr.
He may not make the least, but I can guarantee he made at least one other list (and I'd be surprised if he's not on a few others).
I'm curious whether anyone but me had two singers from the same band on their lists.
I did. Singer A replaced singer B in Band X, and then Singer A replaced Singer C in Band Y. I also almost had two singers who were in the same band at the same time (and, in fact, gave brief consideration to three singers from that band). What I wonder is whether anyone had someone who wasn't a LEAD singer in his/her band (e.g., Chris DeGarmo or Chris Squire).
My results so far:
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16. Robert Plant
15. Brad Delp
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13. Geddy Lee
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11. Ann Wilson
10. Michael Kiske
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8. Rob Halford
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2. Jon Anderson
1. Ray Alder
I'm guessing I'll do reasonably well with the top 8, but there will also be some surprising omissions.
EDIT: Forgot that Plant had also been revealed.
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As for singers who I listed that I doubt make this list... I have quite a few so not worth mentioning, but I did notice I sent Kev "Taylor Hawkins" lol when I meant "Justin Hawkins" I've made this mistake so many times since Justin was involved in the Taylor memorials recently :lol But yeah, I doubt The Darkness singer made this cut.
But tell.us who your punk vocalists were!
I can appreciate Hawkins, but he didn't make my list. He gets the most play time in my house at this time of year, as Don't Let the Bells End is the greatest Christmas song!
I don't think my punk vocalists make the list either so they are: Davey Havok (#5) and Glenn Danzig (#25)
:tup for Danzig; say what you want about the guy but I dig his voice. MUTHA!!!!!!! Sorry, but I also think the original, John Lydon ("Johnny Rotten") has a really unique voice.
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As for singers who I listed that I doubt make this list... I have quite a few so not worth mentioning, but I did notice I sent Kev "Taylor Hawkins" lol when I meant "Justin Hawkins" I've made this mistake so many times since Justin was involved in the Taylor memorials recently :lol But yeah, I doubt The Darkness singer made this cut.
But tell.us who your punk vocalists were!
I can appreciate Hawkins, but he didn't make my list. He gets the most play time in my house at this time of year, as Don't Let the Bells End is the greatest Christmas song!
I don't think my punk vocalists make the list either so they are: Davey Havok (#5) and Glenn Danzig (#25)
:tup for Danzig; say what you want about the guy but I dig his voice. MUTHA!!!!!!! Sorry, but I also think the original, John Lydon ("Johnny Rotten") has a really unique voice.
I would have ranked Danzig much higher if he was any good live (maybe he was in the 80s or 90s?). His voice is classic to me though and the only reason the misfits are as popular as they are. (that and merchandizing played a huge role)
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Ray came in at 15 on my list.
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Rob Halford is my guy. The pipes are beyond compare. I had him at #8, although in retrospect, I think I might have switched him with my #5 singer. Here he and I are back when I represented him.
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That is beyond cool. I'm going to have to check out the Judas Priest thread for more stories. :tup
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Who is the one singer you put in your top 25 that you were pretty confident wouldn't end up on anyone else's list?
Jorn Lande, Hansi Kürsch, Andrea Bocelli, Celine Dion, Jennifer Holiday, Lara Fabian, David Bowie, Angela Gossow...
Jorn is in my top 25.
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10. Geddy Lee #10 Nailed it! Thought he'd end up Top Five here, and surprised he was only on twelve lists....
9. Ray Adler NR I followed some of the FW countdown, listened to a few cuts, and will do more later on. No surprise being in the Top Ten here.
22 Paul McCartney #2
19 Jon Anderson #20
15 Robert Plant #5
13 Ann Wilson #21
10 Geddy Lee #10
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Rob Halford is my guy. The pipes are beyond compare. I had him at #8, although in retrospect, I think I might have switched him with my #5 singer. Here he and I are back when I represented him.
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That is beyond cool. I'm going to have to check out the Judas Priest thread for more stories. :tup
He (along with Ian Hill, Glenn Tipton, Bill Curbishley and Jayne Andrews and a handful of related entities) got sued by his former personal manager over the souring of the relationship (if you google "rob halford john baxter" you can get the basic details). The picture was taken after a full day of mediation. We went down to San Diego and had dinner with him and his boyfriend at this little Mexican place. At one point, the waitress relayed a request from someone else in the restaurant, and Rob immediately got up and took a picture with the guy. You couldn't imagine a more humble and laid-back guy (although he obviously wasn't happy about the litigation and wasn't thrilled that it was drawing focus away from the ongoing work on Redeemer of Souls). He signed my tourbook from the Defenders show (my second concert ever), and I saved a couple emails he sent us as the case was wrapping up. Super nice guy.
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Are Glenn and Jayne married? I thought I read that somewhere.
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Are Glenn and Jayne married? I thought I read that somewhere.
I googled "Glenn Tipton Jayne Andrews" and found one article that described that as a "wild rumour." I had heard that they had a relationship, but I have no idea. However, just to be clear, while Tipton, Hill, Andrews and Curbishley were named in the lawsuit, they were not a significant part. We filed motions to dismiss for lack of personal jurisdiction for all of the defendants except Halford and his entities. The court kept pushing a decision on those motions, and we settled before it ever became necessary to rule on them.
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No idea you represented Rob at some point. That's pretty bad ass!
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Would make for an interesting ‘Jeopardy’ answer and question 😉
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Are Glenn and Jayne married? I thought I read that somewhere.
I googled "Glenn Tipton Jayne Andrews" and found one article that described that as a "wild rumour." I had heard that they had a relationship, but I have no idea. However, just to be clear, while Tipton, Hill, Andrews and Curbishley were named in the lawsuit, they were not a significant part. We filed motions to dismiss for lack of personal jurisdiction for all of the defendants except Halford and his entities. The court kept pushing a decision on those motions, and we settled before it ever became necessary to rule on them.
So although the judge had one idea, he/she ultimately had another thing coming.
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So although the judge had one idea, he/she ultimately had another thing coming.
Heads would have rolled.
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I didn’t rank Geddy or Ray. I’m a Rush fan in spite of Geddy’s voice. The only time his vocals sounded passable to me was in the 80s. I do enjoy Ray’s voice, but it’s not top 25 worthy for me.
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I'm starting to wonder where JLB gets ranked. I figured he'd be on the list for sure given the audience (he made my list), but I don't really think most will have had him at #1, but probably enough votes all together to get a high ranking. I've got to imagine, a certain someone cough Bruce Dickinson cough is the likely #1 since he's not on the list yet and based on discussions here, is the singer of one of the most popular bands on this forum. I ranked this person my #2.
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I'm starting to wonder where JLB gets ranked. I figured he'd be on the list for sure given the audience (he made my list), but I don't really think most will have had him at #1, but probably enough votes all together to get a high ranking. I've got to imagine, a certain someone cough Bruce Dickinson cough is the likely #1 since he's not on the list yet and based on discussions here, is the singer of one of the most popular bands on this forum. I ranked this person my #2.
He’ll probably be pretty high due to being on a lot of people’s top 10-15. Not mine, but I imagine he’s on there for a lot of people.
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I'm starting to wonder where JLB gets ranked. I figured he'd be on the list for sure given the audience (he made my list), but I don't really think most will have had him at #1, but probably enough votes all together to get a high ranking. I've got to imagine, a certain someone cough Bruce Dickinson cough is the likely #1 since he's not on the list yet and based on discussions here, is the singer of one of the most popular bands on this forum. I ranked this person my #2.
I'm guessing at this point that I'll have at least four of the remaining eight on my list (including the two you mentioned by name). Not really sure about anyone beyond those, but this is a bit of a crap shoot.
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I'm starting to wonder where JLB gets ranked. I figured he'd be on the list for sure given the audience (he made my list), but I don't really think most will have had him at #1, but probably enough votes all together to get a high ranking. I've got to imagine, a certain someone cough Bruce Dickinson cough is the likely #1 since he's not on the list yet and based on discussions here, is the singer of one of the most popular bands on this forum. I ranked this person my #2.
He’ll probably be pretty high due to being on a lot of people’s top 10-15. Not mine, but I imagine he’s on there for a lot of people.
Yup, #14 for me. Hard not to include him and I imagine a lot here feel the same way.
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10. Geddy Lee #10 Nailed it! Thought he'd end up Top Five here, and surprised he was only on twelve lists....
It is the opposite for me.I knew Rush were well-liked around here but I thought Geddy was seen more as "not a great singing voice but does the job" type of singer, even by Rush fans.
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Maybe it's just me, but I always thought Geddy's vocals were integral to their sound.
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So although the judge had one idea, he/she ultimately had another thing coming.
Heads would have rolled.
Enough so that a painkiller would be needed.
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I'll predict #6 for JLB... He'll definitely be behind the likes of Tate, Dickenson, Dio and Mercury I'd gather
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re: JLB
I didn't rank James. To be honest, he's fallen way off my list in the last decade or so. As much as I respect the hell out of JLB, I just don't enjoy listening to him sing live any longer, and his recording "prime" for me, was in the 1990s. Specifically I&W, Awake, ACOS and SFAM. (I love FII, but it's not one of JLB's best singing performances.)
I'm sure not ranking him is not cool at this forum. But if I had to guess, I'd say he'd be...in the high 30s for me.
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I'll predict #6 for JLB... He'll definitely be behind the likes of Tate, Dickenson, Dio and Mercury I'd gather
No Spotlighting!!
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re: JLB
I didn't rank James. To be honest, he's fallen way off my list in the last decade or so. As much as I respect the hell out of JLB, I just don't enjoy listening to him sing live any longer, and his recording "prime" for me, was in the 1990s. Specifically I&W, Awake, ACOS and SFAM. (I love FII, but it's not one of JLB's best singing performances.)
I'm sure not ranking him is not cool at this forum. But if I had to guess, I'd say he'd be...in the high 30s for me.
I didn't either, but I'd gather enough of the forum has to put him in a fairly high spot. I'd be genuinely flabbergasted if he isn't.
I'll predict #6 for JLB... He'll definitely be behind the likes of Tate, Dickenson, Dio and Mercury I'd gather
No Spotlighting!!
Whatever.
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I'll predict #6 for JLB... He'll definitely be behind the likes of Tate, Dickenson, Dio and Mercury I'd gather
No Spotlighting!!
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I didn't rank JLB either.
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Geddy Lee - Just made my list at 24. Kind of had to be there because of how much I love Rush.
Ray Alder - just missed the cut. I guess I am a bit surprised to see Ray so high but maybe I shouldn't be.
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I didn't rank James. To be honest, he's fallen way off my list in the last decade or so. As much as I respect the hell out of JLB, I just don't enjoy listening to him sing live any longer, and his recording "prime" for me, was in the 1990s. Specifically I&W, Awake, ACOS and SFAM. (I love FII, but it's not one of JLB's best singing performances.)
I went with my favorite singers in their prime, Ian Anderson being one, and Kevin Cronin another, both who I was confident would not make the DTF list. They became quite bad/horrid afterwards, but I chose not to think of those eras. I'm certain that there is one singer coming up that falls into that same category (along with 'questionable' personality traits ;))....not to spotlight ;)
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I'll predict #6 for JLB... He'll definitely be behind the likes of Tate, Dickenson, Dio and Mercury I'd gather
No Spotlighting!!
Whatever.
I'll predict #6 for JLB... He'll definitely be behind the likes of Tate, Dickenson, Dio and Mercury I'd gather
No Spotlighting!!
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vA42hONH3TY/maxresdefault.jpg)
:heart
WOW!
That's Kev's rule, jeesh. Have some damn respect for the guy that worked hard to put this thing together. WTF??
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To be fair, the whole spotlighting thing was a big deal at the start of all these. I'd be surprised if Kev allows it. I'd rather not speculate, it does kind of take the excitement off it.
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Maybe my bad though? I guess I forgot the rule since I brought up who I expect will make appearances now that we are getting near the end
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I'm starting to feel less confident that the two other singers I hoped would make it, are gonna make it.
Yikes
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To be fair, the whole spotlighting thing was a big deal at the start of all these. I'd be surprised if Kev allows it. I'd rather not speculate, it does kind of take the excitement off it.
I feel like speculation is the entire excitement of it though. Especially now that we are at top 10, I don't know if there's going to be a lot of oh "wow" moments at this point of the list, just placement. Maybe I'm wrong.
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To be fair, the whole spotlighting thing was a big deal at the start of all these. I'd be surprised if Kev allows it. I'd rather not speculate, it does kind of take the excitement off it.
I feel like speculation is the entire excitement of it though. Especially now that we are at top 10, I don't know if there's going to be a lot of oh "wow" moments at this point of the list, just placement. Maybe I'm wrong.
Perhaps. I see both sides of the argument. Up to Kev really.
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Still waiting for Ross Jennings, especially with the Haken love here. I should have ranked Ross as Haken is one of my favorite bands.
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Still waiting for Ross Jennings, especially with the Haken love here. I should have ranked Ross as Haken is one of my favorite bands.
But do those who love Haken rank Ross as the reason? I'm not sure they do. As a Haken fan myself, I did not rank Ross.
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All I can say is if my number one didn't rank, well, shame!!!!!
Not gonna lie: I would have gotten physically ill had your number 1 made the top 25.
No way. I had him at #11. He's the most underappreciated frontman and singer of his generation. He really doesn't get the respect he deserves for his talent.
Who are we talking about? I missed it if Glasser revealed his number 1. Lemmy?
Stadler, Paul Stanley is a no competition number one for me. I've seen Kiss about 30 or so times. Paul is a great writer, performer, singer.... As far as Lemmy, he didn't make my list but I love what he did.
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That's Kev's rule, jeesh. Have some damn respect for the guy that worked hard to put this thing together. WTF??
Appreciate that! :tup :tup
To be fair, the whole spotlighting thing was a big deal at the start of all these. I'd be surprised if Kev allows it. I'd rather not speculate, it does kind of take the excitement off it.
Well, I can't tell anyone what and what not to post, but my hope is that the community as a whole does the respectful thing and not throw some obvious names still to come. Sadly, that seems to have gone out the window today.
It's like when I did the DT top 100. When we got to the top 2, it was obvious that the top 2 would be Learning to Live or A Change of Seasons, and someone felt the need to actually post that the top 2 would be those two and wondered which one would be number 1 (the mod squad kindly deleted that post), which I thought was a dick move. I get wanting to speculate, but not everyone is a smarty pants/know-it-all. Some want to be surprised with the reveals, rather than some just blurting all or most of the names still to come.
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Ray Alder - just missed the cut. I guess I am a bit surprised to see Ray so high but maybe I shouldn't be.
I wonder if the results would have been different had 19 of us spent a hefty amount of time with the FW catalog in that countdown.
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My bad.. To me speculating is half the fun, but I'll respect Kev's wishes.
Tim can still suck it though. :laugh:
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Still waiting for Ross Jennings, especially with the Haken love here. I should have ranked Ross as Haken is one of my favorite bands.
But do those who love Haken rank Ross as the reason? I'm not sure they do. As a Haken fan myself, I did not rank Ross.
Excellent point. Is Geddy's voice the main reason people love Rush? I'm surprised he was ranked that high but goid for him. If you read back, a few said his vocals are the reason they don't listen to Rush. I personally enjoy his voice but it wasn't what grabbed me in. Ross on the other hand is a very talented singer and can pretty much sing any genre.
Going to go listen to Exit Stage Left now! :)
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Excellent point. Is Geddy's voice the main reason people love Rush? Ranked or not I'm pretty sure its not. If you read back, a few said his vocals are the reason they don't listen to Rush.
The vocals are a huge part of mostly any band to me. Geddy's voice was what turned my onto Rush in the first place. I mean is it Neal's drumming? His overrated lyrics? Alex's guitar..er..virtuosity?
Rush was the sum of its parts. If Jon Anderson sang for Rush and Geddy sang for Yes, I'd be a Yes fan right now instead.
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Excellent point. Is Geddy's voice the main reason people love Rush? Ranked or not I'm pretty sure its not. If you read back, a few said his vocals are the reason they don't listen to Rush. I personally enjoy his voice but it wasn't what grabbed me in. Ross on the other hand is a very talented singer and can pretty much sing any genre.
Going to go listen to Exit Stage Left now! :)
Okay, but why does that matter? This is about favorite singers, not favorite singers whose voice stood out more than anything else in their band. Many bands have multiple things that stand out in a positive way.
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Excellent point. Is Geddy's voice the main reason people love Rush? Ranked or not I'm pretty sure its not. If you read back, a few said his vocals are the reason they don't listen to Rush. I personally enjoy his voice but it wasn't what grabbed me in. Ross on the other hand is a very talented singer and can pretty much sing any genre.
Going to go listen to Exit Stage Left now! :)
Okay, but why does that matter? This is about favorite singers, not favorite singers whose voice stood out more than anything else in their band. Many bands have multiple things that stand out in a positive way.
It really doesn't matter, you're right Kev.
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That's Kev's rule, jeesh. Have some damn respect for the guy that worked hard to put this thing together. WTF??
Appreciate that! :tup :tup
To be fair, the whole spotlighting thing was a big deal at the start of all these. I'd be surprised if Kev allows it. I'd rather not speculate, it does kind of take the excitement off it.
Well, I can't tell anyone what and what not to post, but my hope is that the community as a whole does the respectful thing and not throw some obvious names still to come. Sadly, that seems to have gone out the window today.
It's like when I did the DT top 100. When we got to the top 2, it was obvious that the top 2 would be Learning to Live or A Change of Seasons, and someone felt the need to actually post that the top 2 would be those two and wondered which one would be number 1 (the mod squad kindly deleted that post), which I thought was a dick move. I get wanting to speculate, but not everyone is a smarty pants/know-it-all. Some want to be surprised with the reveals, rather than some just blurting all or most of the names still to come.
It was my fault so I won't do it again. I think Tim took the blame for my mistake.
Having said that, I can't understand how it makes a difference here. I think everyone knows some of the names left to unfold and it's mostly a matter of placement. You also had the Geddy talk before his announcement. But it's not my poll so I will respect your rules. Sorry.
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I get the whole spotlighting/speculation thing when it's a fairly finite list of songs - though, in your example Kev... I think any reasonable DT fan keeping track of songs and NOT seeing ACOS or LTL in a top 100 countdown would quickly pick that up.
As for this countdown, with 350+ singers (iirc), there's still a healthy amount of speculation that would (imo) be part of the fun and not spoil anything. Like, does Dio make it or not (he should, but maybe he doesn't)? Does Ross Jennings make it or not (he shouldn't :biggrin:). Does Kip Winger make it or not? Does JLB? Does Elvis? Does Perry? There's 8 slots left, and I'm looking at a few (on and off my list) that are clearly beloved here... BY MANY, are amazing vocalists, and yet the math says more than a few won't make it - and I'll be damned if I have a clue who they are/aren't.
And yeah, Tim can always suck it. :biggrin:
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Also had Coverdale and Jorn in my own list albeit with how the rankings have gone so far would be foolish to speculate :laugh:
Aside from Huey, another I had who I doubt anyone else would have in their 25 was Kevin Martin of Candlebox. The guy can 'sing' and has always ticked that box fer my ears :metal
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Excellent point. Is Geddy's voice the main reason people love Rush? Ranked or not I'm pretty sure its not. If you read back, a few said his vocals are the reason they don't listen to Rush. I personally enjoy his voice but it wasn't what grabbed me in. Ross on the other hand is a very talented singer and can pretty much sing any genre.
Going to go listen to Exit Stage Left now! :)
Okay, but why does that matter? This is about favorite singers, not favorite singers whose voice stood out more than anything else in their band. Many bands have multiple things that stand out in a positive way.
It really doesn't matter, you're right Kev.
All good! :tup :tup
It was my fault so I won't do it again. I think Tim took the blame for my mistake.
Having said that, I can't understand how it makes a difference here. I think everyone knows some of the names left to unfold and it's mostly a matter of placement. You also had the Geddy talk before his announcement. But it's not my poll so I will respect your rules. Sorry.
True, but it's still a matter of courtesy to let me, or the thread starter if someone else runs a similar-type countdown, do the reveal.
Yes, there was Geddy talk, but that seemed more like a natural part of the conversation rather than someone posting, "Okay, there are x-number of spots left and we know a, b, c, d and e are five of them, so it's just a matter of who the others are."
Obviously, the lines can get a little blurry, and it's been a little fun to see chatter about singers who didn't make the countdown (think of it as a not-so clever way of saying, "This singer didn't make it"). I mean, I have zero love for Kiss and Paul Stanley, but for those who are fans, it's almost like he was sorta featured as he had his hour or two in the sun. That is the fun of these kinds of threads, IMO. :D
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I get the whole spotlighting/speculation thing when it's a fairly finite list of songs - though, in your example Kev... I think any reasonable DT fan keeping track of songs and NOT seeing ACOS or LTL in a top 100 countdown would quickly pick that up.
As for this countdown, with 350+ singers (iirc), there's still a healthy amount of speculation that would (imo) be part of the fun and not spoil anything. Like, does Dio make it or not (he should, but maybe he doesn't)? Does Ross Jennings make it or not (he shouldn't :biggrin:). Does Kip Winger make it or not? Does JLB? Does Elvis? Does Perry? There's 8 slots left, and I'm looking at a few (on and off my list) that are clearly beloved here... BY MANY, are amazing vocalists, and yet the math says more than a few won't make it - and I'll be damned if I have a clue who they are/aren't.
And yeah, Tim can always suck it. :biggrin:
I agree I don't think you can spoil this list at all by spotlighting as you can with other countdowns. I think if we all named our own picks for the top 8 or top 5 when we get to it, it would be fun and none of us would probably get it right.
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I get the whole spotlighting/speculation thing when it's a fairly finite list of songs - though, in your example Kev... I think any reasonable DT fan keeping track of songs and NOT seeing ACOS or LTL in a top 100 countdown would quickly pick that up.
As for this countdown, with 350+ singers (iirc), there's still a healthy amount of speculation that would (imo) be part of the fun and not spoil anything. Like, does Dio make it or not (he should, but maybe he doesn't)? Does Ross Jennings make it or not (he shouldn't :biggrin:). Does Kip Winger make it or not? Does JLB? Does Elvis? Does Perry? There's 8 slots left, and I'm looking at a few (on and off my list) that are clearly beloved here... BY MANY, are amazing vocalists, and yet the math says more than a few won't make it - and I'll be damned if I have a clue who they are/aren't.
And yeah, Tim can always suck it. :biggrin:
I agree I don't think you can spoil this list at all by spotlighting as you can with other countdowns. I think if we all named our own picks for the top 8 or top 5 when we get to it, it would be fun and none of us would probably get it right.
I mean, I can speculate based on my general knowledge of forum tastes after being an active member for years here, and I bet I'd get at least half the remaining singers... But my personal list, I probably got one guy remaining who will make the top 8.
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I'm pretty sure about 5 of the remaining 8, but the other 3? Could be just about anyone.
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Alright, let's kick off the top 10!!
Last night's convo probably could have waited a day, given who's at number 10...:lol
10 Geddy Lee
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/c15decd2650de0bc969af18303c4c465/tumblr_otttszqFRz1qa8sljo3_400.gif)
Appeared on 12 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 5 (KevShmev)
5 Top 10 Finishes
Yes, I had him ranked 5th. Rush has been my favorite band now for 31 years, so how could he not rank very high for me? His vocals were a bit spastic in the early days, and his last few years were pretty rough, but his 1980-1993 years showed what a damn fine singer he was in his prime.
09 Ray Alder
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Alder_2007.jpg)
Appeared on 10 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (pg1067, Tomislav95)
7 Top 10 Finishes
Fates Warning is one of those bands where I get the appeal, but they simply have never really grabbed me, outside of A Pleasant Shade of Gray. Alder is a good singer for sure.
0/2 here.
LOVE RUSH, but never considered Geddy as a GREAT singer (not on my list).... now, BASSIST is another story! I really like Ray's vocals, just not in my top 25!
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Very disappointed Stadler. How is Paul Stanley NOT iconic?
He IS iconic, though. If we were doing "front men" he'd be in the top three. Maybe top two (Freddie would be number one). Paul is more the "total package" though, than just his vocals. And to be honest, I prefer Gene's vocals - just the vocals.
To be honest, I expected both to be on your list.
Paul was #32, Gene was #50.
I'm a BIG Kiss fan, but neither P or G would make my top 50! No way.
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I'm starting to wonder where JLB gets ranked.
Not on my list.
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I went with my favorite singers in their prime
I did the same ranking. For instance, guys like Daltrey, Halford, etc would have been much lower on my list if I didn't.
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Hey Kev… don’t forget to update the thread title tomorrow morning.
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I came close a couple times to soliciting predictions about the collective top 10, but given everyone's reticence to name anyone at first, I backed off. Good thing, I didn't realize it was an unspoken rule for some. Personally the speculation would have made it even more interesting to me, but it's not my thread.
Excellent point. Is Geddy's voice the main reason people love Rush? Ranked or not I'm pretty sure its not. If you read back, a few said his vocals are the reason they don't listen to Rush.
The vocals are a huge part of mostly any band to me. Geddy's voice was what turned my onto Rush in the first place. I mean is it Neal's drumming? His overrated lyrics? Alex's guitar..er..virtuosity?
Rush was the sum of its parts. If Jon Anderson sang for Rush and Geddy sang for Yes, I'd be a Yes fan right now instead.
To unintentionally butcher a metaphor and pun, I think some people are more of "forest" people and others are more "tree" people when it comes to analyzing bands. I'm more often the latter, so I can quite easily think of bands where I like neither the band nor the singer, others where I like the singer but don't like the band, vice versa, and then ones where I like both. There sometimes is a synergy to the output as well, but trying to break the components down is also fun.
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I probably wouldn't have broken said unspoken rule if it was spoken.
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At the moment I have highlighted 11 names on my list who could fill the remaining 8 spots. Of these 11, I'd say 3 of these are a certainty. I also think at least 1 singer (and maybe 2) I didn't have in my top 25 list is also a very good chance.
In summary, very confident of 3 of the remaining 8!
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There's 8 slots left, and I'm looking at a few (on and off my list) that are clearly beloved here... BY MANY, are amazing vocalists, and yet the math says more than a few won't make it - and I'll be damned if I have a clue who they are/aren't.
I suspect a few of those will be in the top 50 when that's unveiled. Always interesting to see who is a bit more or less popular than we expected.
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I meant to address this earlier, but there were so many new posts between the time I logged off and went to work this morning and then looked again later today.
As noted, Ray Alder was my #1 (you couldn't have found a better picture, Kev?!).
I could not find a single good gif of Alder. I try to find a good gif, as I like those better than still pics, but I came up empty for him.
I was actually surprised I couldn't find better ones for Geddy as well. I wanted one that showed him singing rather than just playing since this is a singer thread, otherwise a pic of him playing the double neck would have been a given.
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Geddy Lee - First things first, I screwed up my list. Geddy was supposed to be at #8 and my #8 was supposed to be at #11 where I ended up putting Geddy. Would this have made any difference in the ranking, Kev? Anyway, Rush is and will always be my favorite band and I first heard Rush when I was 5 years old (my dad's copy of Moving Pictures) and it was the vocals that immediately drew me in. Of course I would take up the drums when I was 13 and thus took far more interesting in Neil Peart. However, Geddy is a great vocalist, imo. Just listen to 2112, with the power he could get in some of those parts while singing way up high, as well as the tenderness in the softer sections. Or listen to something like Marathon, those key changes! The dude had so many facets to his voice that he used throughout Rush's career. Yes he dropped off in quality starting in about 2003ish, but in his prime he was fantastic.
Ray Alder - My #10. Between his prime with Fates and his best material with Redemption this guy could do no wrong. He got a bit squirrely live once in a while, but mostly he was good.
I was actually surprised I couldn't find better ones for Geddy as well. I wanted one that showed him singing rather than just playing since this is a singer thread, otherwise a pic of him playing the double neck would have been a given.
Here you go Kev
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Rush has been my favorite band for thirty years and Ged's voice is why almost as much as any other reason. Love Alder's voice both in Fates and Redemption.
Where the selections placed on my list:
8. Geddy Lee
6. Robert Plant
5. Chris Cornell
2. Layne Staley
And selections from my long list: Alder, Ann Wilson, Jon Anderson, Åkerfeldt, McCartney, Gabriel, Delp
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I'm pretty sure about 5 of the remaining 8, but the other 3? Could be just about anyone.
That's about where I am at.
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I enjoy speculation too but I get that it spoils the fun for many - maybe a separate thread would do. I certainly won't start it as I am quite content just keeping my mouth shut and waiting for Kev to reveal the standings. But it might be a good idea for those who wouldn't enjoy these threads without speculation.
And I don't think it is all that different from song countdowns. Yeah, in theory, we have a close to infinite pool of singers but I am fairly confident in guessing who at least 7 out of the remaining 8 are going to be. And at least for of them are bleeding obvious - so naming any of them would really spoil the fun to many, the same way it does with songs.
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I didn't rank James. To be honest, he's fallen way off my list in the last decade or so. As much as I respect the hell out of JLB, I just don't enjoy listening to him sing live any longer, and his recording "prime" for me, was in the 1990s. Specifically I&W, Awake, ACOS and SFAM. (I love FII, but it's not one of JLB's best singing performances.)
I went with my favorite singers in their prime, Ian Anderson being one, and Kevin Cronin another, both who I was confident would not make the DTF list. They became quite bad/horrid afterwards, but I chose not to think of those eras. I'm certain that there is one singer coming up that falls into that same category (along with 'questionable' personality traits ;))....not to spotlight ;)
Like you, I ranked singers based solely on their prime - so I am happy to see I wasn't the only one to rank Ian Anderson. An extremely distinctive voice, almost a bass-baritone in the type of music dominated by tenors. He is also the only singer I know of whose voice declined even more than JLB's.
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re: JLB
I didn't rank James. To be honest, he's fallen way off my list in the last decade or so. As much as I respect the hell out of JLB, I just don't enjoy listening to him sing live any longer, and his recording "prime" for me, was in the 1990s. Specifically I&W, Awake, ACOS and SFAM. (I love FII, but it's not one of JLB's best singing performances.)
I'm sure not ranking him is not cool at this forum. But if I had to guess, I'd say he'd be...in the high 30s for me.
By that logic, I’m assuming you didn’t rank <insert singer from the band you know most about> either? I’m kinda serious here …. He’s had more “bad” years than good ones.
I don’t disagree that JLB has fallen way off over the years, and is awful live. Imo, that doesn’t devalue the 90s and 00s enough to drop him off the top 25.
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re: JLB
I didn't rank James. To be honest, he's fallen way off my list in the last decade or so. As much as I respect the hell out of JLB, I just don't enjoy listening to him sing live any longer, and his recording "prime" for me, was in the 1990s. Specifically I&W, Awake, ACOS and SFAM. (I love FII, but it's not one of JLB's best singing performances.)
I'm sure not ranking him is not cool at this forum. But if I had to guess, I'd say he'd be...in the high 30s for me.
By that logic, I’m assuming you didn’t rank <insert singer from the band you know most about> either? I’m kinda serious here …. He’s had more “bad” years than good ones.
I don’t disagree that JLB has fallen way off over the years, and is awful live. Imo, that doesn’t devalue the 90s and 00s enough to drop him off the top 25.
Agreed. If we were to count overall vocal decline and inconsistency in live performances against singers, there wouldn't be many left to rank, IMO. On the other hand, this is anything-goes kind of thread - if vocal longevity is an important factor to anyone in the way they rank their favorite singers, they can rank them however the hell they want.
I have noticed someone dismissing a singer that ranked pretty high because of his personality - I find this ridiculous because let's face it, there aren't that many nice singers with great personalities and I am pretty sure that quite a a few of the singers that have been or are yet to be revealed are way above average or (in at least one case) even supreme assholes. However, if anyone needs to believe that their favorite musician is also a great human being in order to enjoy their music, there is no way to argue with that.
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Let's keep it moving...
08 Devin Townsend
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-03-2017/PdvD7f.gif)
Appeared on 10 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Metropolaris, Puppies_On_Acid)
6 Top 10 Finishes
I realistically could have put Devin 1st and been good with it, but I had him 6th. I haven't been in a Devin mindspace lately, so maybe that is why he didn't finish top 5 for me, but he can do it all vocally, and sings with such raw emotion. Amazing singer.
07 Russell Allen
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Symphony_x_10.jpg)
Appeared on 12 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (jingle.boy)
7 Top 10 Finishes
Not a fan. His contributions with Ayreon/Arjen strike me as solid, but not really memorable, and I have zero regard for bands like Adrenaline Mob and Symphony X.
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Not a fan of either, and I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, but Allen being this high kind of does at least.
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Not a huge fan of either. They were not on my top 25.
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Figured Allen would make the list. Didn't even think about Devin but his appearance definitely isn't surprising.
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At last, someone else from my list!
For me Devin is one of those artists who is just the full package. He is an incredible songwriter, amazing guitar player, an artist with great vision and passion for his work and a genuine person to boot. That is all before you get to his voice.
I first heard Devy when I heard Love? by Strapping Young Lad. It was a perfect introduction but I didn't delve much deeper at that point. However, about 10 years ago, when I was travelling abroad, a Canadian guy I was working with shared a load of mp3s. This started the path but joining DTF in '14 solidified it. By 2015 I was fully on board, and by that time I was scouring youtube for all the interviews I could find. As I mentioned, Devin is a genuine artist who cares about his art, and humble depreciating when talking about it. This only made me love him and his music more. When I think what the world would be like with a few more Devin's, it truly makes me happy.
Devin's vocal range is legendary and has reached that without any vocal coaching (from what I can recall), just through sheer force of will (his words).
His voice is powerful, soft, raw, crooning, anger fueled, psychotic and soul warming, sometimes all in one song. Again, what's all the more striking is that his voice is just one part of his skill set. The voice on it's own warrants a place on this list, but for me all the other parts that make up Devin Townsend just take him almost to the top of my list.
The only singers that placed above him on my list were two similar artists to Devin (in that they are the full package).
I've rambled enough, love the dude
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Totally understand Hevy Devy making it. I didn't rank him at all, but that's more a function that I'm not generally a huge fan of harsh vocals, or his 'wall-of-sound' music style (generally speaking... there are many exceptions, including a few DT/DTP albums).
Allen on the other hand... I rated him number 1 just 'cuz. Honestly, my 1-5 could've been interchangeable so I just went with him for the depth of his contributions (A Mod notwithstanding... not a fan) - TSO (live), Allen/Lande, Allen/Olzon, Avantasia, Star One, Level 10, Joel Hoekstra's 13, Timo Tolkki's Avalon, Genius, Amadeus Awad's Eon, and then a host of individual song contributions with more than a few bands. Plus, he's cool af, and has great stage presence as a frontman.
TSO / Good King Joy (https://youtu.be/83U9p2TucAk?t=243)
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Totally understand Hevy Devy making it. I didn't rank him at all, but that's more a function that I'm not generally a huge fan of harsh vocals, or his 'wall-of-sound' music style (generally speaking... there are many exceptions, including a few DT/DTP albums).
Allen on the other hand... I rated him number 1 just 'cuz. Honestly, my 1-5 could've been interchangeable so I just went with him for the depth of his contributions (A Mod notwithstanding... not a fan) - TSO (live), Allen/Lande, Allen/Olzon, Avantasia, Star One, Level 10, Joel Hoekstra's 13, Timo Tolkki's Avalon, Genius, Amadeus Awad's Eon, and then a host of individual song contributions with more than a few bands. Plus, he's cool af, and has great stage presence as a frontman.
TSO / Good King Joy (https://youtu.be/83U9p2TucAk?t=243)
I actually ranked (or intended to rank, I fucked up and got the name wrong) another TSO singer, Kayla Reeves, based solely on her version of Someday.
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Not listed both names. And as much as I liked SX back in the day I can't stand Allen.
I do think Devin is quite talented, not my cup of tea but I understand why he is listed. Allen is just so ordinary. Too many Allen out there sound like him. Nothing special, nothing extraordinary. And his live performance is like he sings all the songs same way, same gritty tone...
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Russ barely missed mine, easily top 30. He does tend to narrow his range of expression live, but on album he has a wider palette. The first verse of "The Odyssey" is beautiful, for example.
Devin is easily top 50 for me, awesome vocalist.
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Totally understand Hevy Devy making it. I didn't rank him at all, but that's more a function that I'm not generally a huge fan of harsh vocals, or his 'wall-of-sound' music style (generally speaking... there are many exceptions, including a few DT/DTP albums).
Allen on the other hand... I rated him number 1 just 'cuz. Honestly, my 1-5 could've been interchangeable so I just went with him for the depth of his contributions (A Mod notwithstanding... not a fan) - TSO (live), Allen/Lande, Allen/Olzon, Avantasia, Star One, Level 10, Joel Hoekstra's 13, Timo Tolkki's Avalon, Genius, Amadeus Awad's Eon, and then a host of individual song contributions with more than a few bands. Plus, he's cool af, and has great stage presence as a frontman.
TSO / Good King Joy (https://youtu.be/83U9p2TucAk?t=243)
I actually ranked (or intended to rank, I fucked up and got the name wrong) another TSO singer, Kayla Reeves, based solely on her version of Someday.
Oh, god yes. :drool.
I could've made a top 5 just from any performance of Promises. This version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnS5iHkZp8I) by Georgia Napolitano is particularly moving.
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Pretty sure both were on my list, but not sure where.
I actually forgot about Russell and I am a bit surprised to see Devy on this list, but pleasantly so.
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Devin was of course #1 for me. Favorite singer of all time and just overall my favorite musician of all time. The guy can sing you to sleep and scream you awake. Also the coolest, most down to earth musician you'll ever meet.
I've seen him live 3 times, and have done the VIP meet and greet thing all 3 times. Here's a pic from the most recent time, in March 2020 in Atlanta just a week or so before the pandemic was declared. I gave him my old ZILTOID license plate from my first car. That should tell you how big of I am. :lol
(https://i.imgur.com/uY328Xs.jpg)
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Russell Allen has always sounded like a generic tough guy singer and his main bands do nothing for me. Adrenaline Mob is just embarrassing and Symphony X is too cheesy.
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Kind of bummed the two singers I have pictures with on my list won't be in the top 6 :-\
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Not a fan of either, and I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, but Allen being this high kind of does at least.
EASILY the most over-rated singer on this list. I just don't get it. Generic at best. "I'm mutherfuckin' psychosane!" Yeah, it's mutherfuckin' psychosane to be at number 7! :)
I really debated Devin; he ultimately didn't make the cut, but when he sings clean, he's a real monster. "Deep Peace" from Live in London for anyone that cares (I think I have Jingle to thank for that; I hated Devin for the longest time but heard that and it changed my world, no lie.)
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Neither made my list. I have a lot of respect for Devin, just not into his vocals all that much.
I used to be a huge fan of Russell Allen with Symphony X up to The Odyssey and Star One and Ayreon. But his vocals are part of what turned me off of Symphony X after Paradise Lost. And then I disliked him more with Adrenaline Mob. I never liked the Lande/Allen or Olzon stuff. He certainly has a great voice but I guess just doesn't use it my liking as much anymore.
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I'm kind of not surprised that Devin Townsend made the list, but I definitely didn't expect him this high. He's a talented guy for sure.
Russell Allen is amazing, but he's one vocalist that I just cannot connect with.
I had neither on my list.
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Not a fan of either, and I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, but Allen being this high kind of does at least.
EASILY the most over-rated singer on this list. I just don't get it. Generic at best. "I'm mutherfuckin' psychosane!" Yeah, it's mutherfuckin' psychosane to be at number 7! :)
I really debated Devin; he ultimately didn't make the cut, but when he sings clean, he's a real monster. "Deep Peace" from Live in London for anyone that cares (I think I have Jingle to thank for that; I hated Devin for the longest time but heard that and it changed my world, no lie.)
He's not on the list because of stupid A-Mob songs ::)
Anyone putting him down has quite clearly never listened to Symphony X classics like The Odyssey, The Accolade, Candlelight Fantasia, Lady of the Snow, The Divine Wings of Tragedy, etc.
I had him at #4.
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I'm kind of not surprised that Devin Townsend made the list, but I definitely didn't expect him this high. He's a talented guy for sure.
I think it probably goes without saying that those who voted for him (kinda like Einar) would've ranked him highly. As Kev said, 6 out of the 10 who voted for him, had him in their top 10.
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Not a fan of either, and I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, but Allen being this high kind of does at least.
EASILY the most over-rated singer on this list. I just don't get it. Generic at best. "I'm mutherfuckin' psychosane!" Yeah, it's mutherfuckin' psychosane to be at number 7! :)
I really debated Devin; he ultimately didn't make the cut, but when he sings clean, he's a real monster. "Deep Peace" from Live in London for anyone that cares (I think I have Jingle to thank for that; I hated Devin for the longest time but heard that and it changed my world, no lie.)
He's not on the list because of stupid A-Mob songs ::)
Anyone putting him down has quite clearly never listened to Symphony X classics like The Odyssey, The Accolade, Candlelight Fantasia, Lady of the Snow, The Divine Wings of Tragedy, etc.
I had him at #4.
Or they did listen to them, and it never appealed to them. It does happen...
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Not a fan of either, and I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, but Allen being this high kind of does at least.
EASILY the most over-rated singer on this list. I just don't get it. Generic at best. "I'm mutherfuckin' psychosane!" Yeah, it's mutherfuckin' psychosane to be at number 7! :)
I really debated Devin; he ultimately didn't make the cut, but when he sings clean, he's a real monster. "Deep Peace" from Live in London for anyone that cares (I think I have Jingle to thank for that; I hated Devin for the longest time but heard that and it changed my world, no lie.)
He's not on the list because of stupid A-Mob songs ::)
Anyone putting him down has quite clearly never listened to Symphony X classics like The Odyssey, The Accolade, Candlelight Fantasia, Lady of the Snow, The Divine Wings of Tragedy, etc.
I had him at #4.
Oh, I've heard it. I used to get a lot of SX in roulettes, but after a while people got wise and didn't want to take the score hit. :) I think he's average at best.
The only Russell Allen I like is some of his work with Ayreon, but I think that has more to do with the fact that I really like Arjen's work.
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I'm kind of not surprised that Devin Townsend made the list, but I definitely didn't expect him this high. He's a talented guy for sure.
Each day I figured I'd see his name mentioned. Then it got to the point I figured he didn't make it. Certainly talented, but not close to being my style of music.
Metropolaris....nice pix, and love the license plate! (I had QUE3939 for a few years decades ago)
Allen: NR I'm with Stadler as to the Psychosane (all I can think of is Adolf's reactions on youtube :lol).
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Not a fan of either, and I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, but Allen being this high kind of does at least.
EASILY the most over-rated singer on this list. I just don't get it. Generic at best. "I'm mutherfuckin' psychosane!" Yeah, it's mutherfuckin' psychosane to be at number 7! :)
I really debated Devin; he ultimately didn't make the cut, but when he sings clean, he's a real monster. "Deep Peace" from Live in London for anyone that cares (I think I have Jingle to thank for that; I hated Devin for the longest time but heard that and it changed my world, no lie.)
He's not on the list because of stupid A-Mob songs ::)
Anyone putting him down has quite clearly never listened to Symphony X classics like The Odyssey, The Accolade, Candlelight Fantasia, Lady of the Snow, The Divine Wings of Tragedy, etc.
I had him at #4.
Oh, I've heard it. I used to get a lot of SX in roulettes, but after a while people got wise and didn't want to take the score hit. :) I think he's average at best.
The only Russell Allen I like is some of his work with Ayreon, but I think that has more to do with the fact that I really like Arjen's work.
Mark this moment, Stads and I agree on something.
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And that's the real reason Russell is on this list. His voice truly unites people.
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And that's the real reason Russell is on this list. His voice truly unites people.
It's not about how appealing he is, it's about the friends we make on the way
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No surprise IMO on these two.
I mentioned early on that I had no pure harsh vocalists on my list but some who do both the harsh and clean vocals with Devin being my favorite of that style. The guy really can do it all. He's not only a fantastic singer, but song writer, guitarist, producer, and person. I've met him a couple times and even told him a story about something he said that inspired me to give a homeless man $20 when I was in Chattanooga randomly that he seemed genuinely happy about. Here's a pic of us right after I chatted wtih him that night in NYC:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek0kId0XYAMSged?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
As for Russell, I've never been too much of a fan. I sampled SX many years ago and wasn't into it. AMOB did not thing for me for the song or two I checked out back then as well. I did see SX twice this year touring with Haken and at those shows, I think I finally saw what others saw in him. He was very good live IMO and I earned an appreciation for SX that previously didn't exist. Having said that, it didn't really change my mind to think he was some great or special to me though, just a solid singer and SX was a solid band. I didnt vote for him, but I know this forum generally thinks very highly of him though. (how many times in the last 15 years have I read someone say that he should replace JLB for example?)
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That's an awesome pic, Marc!
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Not a fan of either, and I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, but Allen being this high kind of does at least.
EASILY the most over-rated singer on this list. I just don't get it. Generic at best. "I'm mutherfuckin' psychosane!" Yeah, it's mutherfuckin' psychosane to be at number 7! :)
:lol
I really love his voice on songs like Communion and the Oracle, Rediscovery pt2, etc. But stuff like psychosane is a big reason why he's turned me off and didn't make my list.
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I didn't rank James. To be honest, he's fallen way off my list in the last decade or so. As much as I respect the hell out of JLB, I just don't enjoy listening to him sing live any longer, and his recording "prime" for me, was in the 1990s. Specifically I&W, Awake, ACOS and SFAM. (I love FII, but it's not one of JLB's best singing performances.)
I went with my favorite singers in their prime, Ian Anderson being one, and Kevin Cronin another, both who I was confident would not make the DTF list. They became quite bad/horrid afterwards, but I chose not to think of those eras. I'm certain that there is one singer coming up that falls into that same category (along with 'questionable' personality traits ;))....not to spotlight ;)
Like you, I ranked singers based solely on their prime - so I am happy to see I wasn't the only one to rank Ian Anderson. An extremely distinctive voice, almost a bass-baritone in the type of music dominated by tenors. He is also the only singer I know of whose voice declined even more than JLB's.
You both are assuming that I didn't take prime into consideration. I absolutely did. For me, James was good for 3.5 albums - I&W, Awake, SFAM, and maybe ACOS. And I've never overly enjoyed him live, as he's very inconsistent (I respect what he does every single night, but the results are regularly unsatisfying). So prime WAS considered on every singer on my list. JLB just wasn't inspiring for long enough, IMO. Couple that with his live performance, and he fell off my list.
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I didn't rank Devin Townsend, nor did his name even enter my mind. Not sure what all the hype is about, but he's always been so off-putting to me.
I had Russell Allen at 14. Great singer. What I love best about him is that he can sing ANYTHING. Ask him to sing any part, and he delivers an amazing performance. Folks may find this interesting, but I'm not much of a Symphony-X fan. I like them okay (saw the tour this year), but it's all about listening to RA sing. Just killer ability and emotion.
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I didn't rank James. To be honest, he's fallen way off my list in the last decade or so. As much as I respect the hell out of JLB, I just don't enjoy listening to him sing live any longer, and his recording "prime" for me, was in the 1990s. Specifically I&W, Awake, ACOS and SFAM. (I love FII, but it's not one of JLB's best singing performances.)
I went with my favorite singers in their prime, Ian Anderson being one, and Kevin Cronin another, both who I was confident would not make the DTF list. They became quite bad/horrid afterwards, but I chose not to think of those eras. I'm certain that there is one singer coming up that falls into that same category (along with 'questionable' personality traits ;))....not to spotlight ;)
Like you, I ranked singers based solely on their prime - so I am happy to see I wasn't the only one to rank Ian Anderson. An extremely distinctive voice, almost a bass-baritone in the type of music dominated by tenors. He is also the only singer I know of whose voice declined even more than JLB's.
You both are assuming that I didn't take prime into consideration. I absolutely did. For me, James was good for 3.5 albums - I&W, Awake, SFAM, and maybe ACOS. And I've never overly enjoyed him live, as he's very inconsistent (I respect what he does every single night, but the results are regularly unsatisfying). So prime WAS considered on every singer on my list. JLB just wasn't inspiring for long enough, IMO. Couple that with his live performance, and he fell off my list.
While there was a definite drop off for James after Awake (and the unfortunate food poisoning incident), I still enjoyed his vocals on FII, as he took a somewhat more low key approach. Still had a lot of warmth to his voice at that point, and he sounded fine when he was doing more of the classic rock/pop thing. The first two Mullmuzzler albums have a good bit of that, and then the Frameshift album is possibly his best post-Awake performance. He got forced back into more of the metal box with DT after SFAM (and his solo stuff too to be fair), and that isn’t the best role for his voice IMO.
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I love FII. But it isn't one of my favorite JLB performances. I felt like SFAM he was a lot stronger.
After that, he just didn't impress me.
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I love FII. But it isn't one of my favorite JLB performances. I felt like SFAM he was a lot stronger.
After that, he just didn't impress me.
As little as I think of FII, it ain't because of James.
I think James is amazing on both SC and BC&SL. Those albums aren't range testers, but he sings great for what he's asked to. I think SC is sneaky one of James' best DT performances.
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I thought JLB was great on The Astonishing album and tour. I feel like that was his best performance since I had been a fan (discovered DT around 2006).
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James was great on The Astonishing.
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James was great on The Astonishing.
Agreed. For all the problems I have with that album, it might be James’ best performance.
Unfortunately I think he’s just been going downhill since. I would be fine if they replaced James at this point. Please no Russell Allen though.
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James was great on The Astonishing.
(https://media.tenor.com/HmLMWV-11cAAAAAM/not-this-shit-again-bullshit.gif)
7 Top 10 finishes for Allen (one more than Devy); on 12 lists (2 more than Devy), yet more people showing love / respect for Devy (deserved), and crapping on Allen.
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Am I allowed to talk about top my ten vocalists who I know won't make it, or will the roulette/best of police call me out on that too?
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Am I allowed to talk about top my ten vocalists who I know won't make it, or will the roulette/best of police call me out on that too?
You shouldn't even be thinking about talking about it!!!
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I love FII. But it isn't one of my favorite JLB performances. I felt like SFAM he was a lot stronger.
After that, he just didn't impress me.
The Astonishing begs to differ.... at least for me
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I had Devin at 12 and Allen at 3.
Honestly, anything positive I can say about one is true of the other. They are both at the top of their game in terms of raw power, emotion, phrasing, range, and technique. I don't think there are two better male singers in all of metal in terms of combination of power, technique, and creativity. And they both have a very broad palette and are able to change up styles at the drop of a hat. Whether one likes either of them or not, describing either as "generic" or anything like that betrays such a bias and ignorance that I can't even take such an opinion seriously. Seriously.
What some may perhaps find interesting is that, while I deeply appreciate both vocalists, I'm hot and cold on their musical output. I don't own a single Devin album and never have. But I've seen enough of his live performances through the years and come to so greatly appreciate him as a vocalist that I couldn't not rank him. For Russ, I like a lot of his Symphony X output (although definitely not all). But some things, like Adrenaline Mob, are so laughably bad that I wouldn't even think about owning it.
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I figured Allen would make the list. He just missed making mine. I really don't understand at all the love here for Devin. NOT a fan at all, but obviously his appearance here isn't surprising.
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I haven't followed any of the 'top' lists, have we done any for instrumentalists?
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I had Devin at 12 and Allen at 3.
Honestly, anything positive I can say about one is true of the other. They are both at the top of their game in terms of raw power, emotion, phrasing, range, and technique. I don't think there are two better male singers in all of metal in terms of combination of power, technique, and creativity. And they both have a very broad palette and are able to change up styles at the drop of a hat. Whether one likes either of them or not, describing either as "generic" or anything like that betrays such a bias and ignorance that I can't even take such an opinion seriously. Seriously.
What some may perhaps find interesting is that, while I deeply appreciate both vocalists, I'm hot and cold on their musical output. I don't own a single Devin album and never have. But I've seen enough of his live performances through the years and come to so greatly appreciate him as a vocalist that I couldn't not rank him. For Russ, I like a lot of his Symphony X output (although definitely not all). But some things, like Adrenaline Mob, are so laughably bad that I wouldn't even think about owning it.
I did a review of Joel Hoekstra's 13 album and he had Russell doing most of the vocals with some help from Jeff Scott Soto, another vocalist that has good chops but is just generic to me. And they sounded almost exactly the same. I couldn't tell the difference between the two, and I found myself for an entire album waiting for the soaring chorus vocals that never came (same critique I have of the Sons of Apollo work) and after a couple listens, I finally gave up and just listened to the interesting guitar parts in between the bland vocals. I don't know what to tell you; I wouldn't consider myself "ignorant", but it just doesn't move the needle. Everything I've heard from Allen (except for some of his work with Arjen) and Soto (except for his work with Malmsteen) has been done before by Dio, just better.
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I haven't followed any of the 'top' lists, have we done any for instrumentalists?
I was thinking about proposing "Guitarists". I think there might be a little more overlap between lists.
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@ Stads... well of course. Dio did everything better than everyone else (in metal).
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I haven't followed any of the 'top' lists, have we done any for instrumentalists?
I was thinking about proposing "Guitarists". I think there might be a little more overlap between lists.
Yup, I think the best of the best stand out a bit more here. Rattling off my personal top ten in my head, and only one wouldn't make a general list
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I agree, Stadler, and I stand by my “generic” comment earlier. Russell Allen sounds like the kind of singer you’d hear in some stock music for a wrestling video game. He’s got range and he’s got power, but I’ve yet to hear anything special or unique from him. I just do not get the hype.
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Since the post where I said I had 7-8 still on my list that I thought for sure would rank, 3 have been listed (Alder, Allen, Townsend). 6 spots left. 5 more on my list. Will they make it?
Actually, there's a pretty strong possibility I will never know. After that TSO link was posted above, I went down a bit of a TSO rabbit hole on YouTube. And this song came on where dude is playing a frickin' Telecaster onstage!!! At a metal show!!! Excuse me while I go gouge my eyes out!
:mrlol:
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08 Devin Townsend
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07 Russell Allen
0 for 2 today. Townsend absolutely RUINED Natural Science on a Rush tribute album from back in the mid-90s, and I've never heard anything from him since (at least not that I know of). Don't know who Russell Allen is (other than from Kev's mention that he was in Adrenaline Mob, which I didn't like what I heard).
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No surprise at either one of these making the final list, or being ranked as high as they are.
Devin Townsend: I have a ton of respect for Devvy, but his voice is not what I think of when I think of "favorite singers". Not rated for me.
Russell Allan: Not rated. I don't give a wet fart about Symphony X or Adrenaline Mob. From what I remember, he's got a good voice, I guess, but nothing that would ever in a million years strike me as "one of the best ever".
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Anyone putting him down has quite clearly never listened to Symphony X classics like The Odyssey, The Accolade, Candlelight Fantasia, Lady of the Snow, The Divine Wings of Tragedy, etc.
Or, check this out, we have heard them and think he is nothing special.
Crazy idea that others on the internet would have a different reaction than you, I know, but take your time and the realization will be quite therapeutic. :tup :tup
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Devin is amazing, but he’s not for me.
I like Russ when he sings clean, not so much when he sings angry.
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Following but as usual I just don't have the time to participate in these kinds of threads.
All I can say is my top 25 would look very different than what I've seen so far. Probably more a sign of my age though.
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Devin is amazing, but he’s not for me.
I like Russ when he sings clean, not so much when he sings angry.
Don’t sing angry!
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Always appreciate that Groundhog Day reference HOF!
0/2 for me today. Never a fan of Devin and the other I actually had a personal problem with about 20 years ago that I won't get into here. >:(
Where the selections have placed on my list:
8. Geddy Lee
6. Robert Plant
5. Chris Cornell
2. Layne Staley
And selections from my long list: Alder, A. Wilson, J. Anderson, Åkerfeldt, McCartney, Gabriel, Delp
I am currently listening to Keeper of the Seven Keys I and it's pretty rad! Where has this been all my life?
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0/2 for me today. Never a fan of Devin and the other I actually had a personal problem with about 20 years ago that I won't get into here. >:(
I'd actually like to hear that.
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0/2 for me today. Never a fan of Devin and the other I actually had a personal problem with about 20 years ago that I won't get into here. >:(
I'd actually like to hear that.
I'm in. :corn :corn
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I didn't rank James. To be honest, he's fallen way off my list in the last decade or so. As much as I respect the hell out of JLB, I just don't enjoy listening to him sing live any longer, and his recording "prime" for me, was in the 1990s. Specifically I&W, Awake, ACOS and SFAM. (I love FII, but it's not one of JLB's best singing performances.)
I went with my favorite singers in their prime, Ian Anderson being one, and Kevin Cronin another, both who I was confident would not make the DTF list. They became quite bad/horrid afterwards, but I chose not to think of those eras. I'm certain that there is one singer coming up that falls into that same category (along with 'questionable' personality traits ;))....not to spotlight ;)
Like you, I ranked singers based solely on their prime - so I am happy to see I wasn't the only one to rank Ian Anderson. An extremely distinctive voice, almost a bass-baritone in the type of music dominated by tenors. He is also the only singer I know of whose voice declined even more than JLB's.
You both are assuming that I didn't take prime into consideration. I absolutely did. For me, James was good for 3.5 albums - I&W, Awake, SFAM, and maybe ACOS. And I've never overly enjoyed him live, as he's very inconsistent (I respect what he does every single night, but the results are regularly unsatisfying). So prime WAS considered on every singer on my list. JLB just wasn't inspiring for long enough, IMO. Couple that with his live performance, and he fell off my list.
I don't think we are assuming that. It is just the difference between ranking singers based just on their prime or taking a more complex approach as you did. I personally don't really care much about how consistent a singer is live since I listen mostly to studio recordings anyway. As long as they are good on live DVDs, it's fine with me. And I ranked some of the singers based on just an album or two - with JLB, ACOS or TKH alone would be enough for me to rank him. But I understand that some might take quite (or entirely) different approach.
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Never a fan of Devin and the other I actually had a personal problem with about 20 years ago that I won't get into here. >:(
DO IT
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:lol can't leave that nugget and not expect everyone to not want to know the story, I'm curious now too
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Devin Townsend- I didn't rank him as I totally forgot about him. He is an extremely competent singer though, both in terms of vocal range and emotional range - going from soft whispers to bellowing like a madman (reminds me of my favorite Daniel Gildenlow in this regard). I just haven't connected with his music (yet?)and, as a result, his voice. Listened only to Terria and Infinity so far - any recommendations for something more accessible on the first few listens?
Russel Allen - Didn't rank him either. Another clearly competent singer with a great singing voice but as many here, I am not really a fan. If I want to listen to this kind of singer, I prefer Jorn Lande or Zachary Stevens - the former has more natural grit in his voice, the latter a bit less but has a much better chiaroscuro.
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If you want more accessible Devin then check out his new album, Lightwork, and his 2012 album, Epicloud.
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If you want more accessible Devin then check out his new album, Lightwork, and his 2012 album, Epicloud.
I would not recommend Lightwork personally (for one I'm not much of a fan of it, but also the style is not accessible other than maybe a few songs), but I always suggest Epicloud to people who want to check out Devin. Epicloud seems to encompass a lot of the Devin styles on one album and is fairly accessible.
Also, during the Anneke discussion, I shared a Devin Townsend live concert of the entire Addicted! album, that's another good place to start if you want to check out his more accessible style.
And after stating that, it's no surprise that Addicted! and Epicloud are my favorite Devin albums.
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I agree that Epicloud should be THE starting point, but I do think Lightwork is also accessible for the most part. There’s couple songs that are kinda “out there” but I think most of the album is pretty easy listening, especially for a new fan.
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:lol can't leave that nugget and not expect everyone to not want to know the story, I'm curious now too
:corn
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Russ just missed out for me. I'm surprised he's ranked that high though.
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coz needs to come clean with the story, or I think bosk should bring out the ole ban hammer as a threat. :rollin
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Russ just missed out for me. I'm surprised he's ranked that high though.
I suspect it's largely a favor of how many votes he got as opposed to just getting a ton of really high votes, but not having seen the data, I could be wrong.
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Never a fan of Devin and the other I actually had a personal problem with about 20 years ago that I won't get into here. >:(
DO IT
Hef has spoken
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Russ just missed out for me. I'm surprised he's ranked that high though.
I suspect it's largely a favor of how many votes he got as opposed to just getting a ton of really high votes, but not having seen the data, I could be wrong.
Bit of both. Considering the last few entries ...
13. Wilson - Appeared on 11 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Dream Team)
3 Top 10 Finishes
12. Floor - Appeared on 8 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (bosk1)
7 Top 10 Finishes
11. Halford - Appeared on 13 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 4 (DTwwbwMP)
6 Top 10 Finishes
10. Geddy - Appeared on 12 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 5 (KevShmev)
5 Top 10 Finishes
9. Adler - Appeared on 10 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (pg1067, Tomislav95)
7 Top 10 Finishes
8. Devy - Appeared on 10 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Metropolaris, Puppies_On_Acid)
6 Top 10 Finishes
7. Allen - Appeared on 12 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (jingle.boy)
7 Top 10 Finishes
Halford appeared on more lists than Allen (but one less Top 10); Floor was on significantly fewer lists (but same # of top 10s). And Wilson was on more lists, but not many Top 10s. It would seem high ratings require both quantity of votes, and quality.
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Well count me as pretty surprised with today's reveal. Just really didn't expect to see either Devy or Russ this high.
Devin - was number 23 for me. Absolutely love Devin and all his music, just surprised others love his vocals so much to get him this high but good work!
Russell Allen - was on my 'just missed top 25' list. Love his more classic SX album performances.
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Looking at Jingle's post, I'm wondering if anyone appeared on half or more of the lists. Looks like the highest so far is Halford with 13?
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Looking at Jingle's post, I'm wondering if anyone appeared on half or more of the lists. Looks like the highest so far is Halford with 13?
I could guess, but I don't want to get admonished again.
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Live look at lonestar:
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Looking at Jingle's post, I'm wondering if anyone appeared on half or more of the lists. Looks like the highest so far is Halford with 13?
I could guess, but I don't want to get admonished again.
When we had 8 to go, I felt pretty confident about 5 of the remaining singers, none of whom were the 2 revealed today, so I'm now less confident about those 5 (although I'd be genuinely surprised if any didn't make the list). If anyone got on at least half of the lists, I think it's the one of the five that I overlooked on my list. Hg is no longer with us.
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Looking at Jingle's post, I'm wondering if anyone appeared on half or more of the lists. Looks like the highest so far is Halford with 13?
I could guess, but I don't want to get admonished again.
When we had 8 to go, I felt pretty confident about 5 of the remaining singers, none of whom were the 2 revealed today, so I'm now less confident about those 5 (although I'd be genuinely surprised if any didn't make the list). If anyone got on at least half of the lists, I think it's the one of the five that I overlooked on my list. Hg is no longer with us.
Yeah, that is why this is a very tough list to predict. I am just going to stick with 3 who I think are certainties to come in the remaining six. I'll call them out if they land.
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Looking at Jingle's post, I'm wondering if anyone appeared on half or more of the lists. Looks like the highest so far is Halford with 13?
The top 4 all finished in more than half of the lists. :hat :hat
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Looking at Jingle's post, I'm wondering if anyone appeared on half or more of the lists. Looks like the highest so far is Halford with 13?
The top 4 all finished in more than half of the lists. :hat :hat
Interesting... Anyone appear on all the lists?
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We'll know for sure by Friday. :hat
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I didn’t rank Devin or Russ Allen, but both easily could have made my list. I definitely considered them.
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Let's keep it moving...
08 Devin Townsend
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Appeared on 10 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (Metropolaris, Puppies_On_Acid)
6 Top 10 Finishes
I realistically could have put Devin 1st and been good with it, but I had him 6th. I haven't been in a Devin mindspace lately, so maybe that is why he didn't finish top 5 for me, but he can do it all vocally, and sings with such raw emotion. Amazing singer.
07 Russell Allen
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Appeared on 12 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (jingle.boy)
7 Top 10 Finishes
Not a fan. His contributions with Ayreon/Arjen strike me as solid, but not really memorable, and I have zero regard for bands like Adrenaline Mob and Symphony X.
Bosk!!! Nice! 2 for one man. :tup
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Never a fan of Devin and the other I actually had a personal problem with about 20 years ago that I won't get into here. >:(
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A problem with Russ??? He's one of the nicest dudes.. :\
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So its looking like Vince Neil taking the number one spot with Kevin Dubrow a close second? :lol :lol
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So its looking like Vince Neil taking the number one spot with Kevin Dubrow a close second? :lol :lol
Paul Shortino third?
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Haha! Yeah but Shortino is legit! Probably Dizzy Dean from Britny Fox third. :lol
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Since the post where I said I had 7-8 still on my list that I thought for sure would rank, 3 have been listed (Alder, Allen, Townsend). 6 spots left. 5 more on my list. Will they make it?
Actually, there's a pretty strong possibility I will never know. After that TSO link was posted above, I went down a bit of a TSO rabbit hole on YouTube. And this song came on where dude is playing a frickin' Telecaster onstage!!! At a metal show!!! Excuse me while I go gouge my eyes out!
:mrlol:
2 obviously will. Or should.
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Devin Townsend - Yep, my #1! He's the whole package, enough said.
Russell Allen - Had him at #9. To all those complaining about Adrenaline Mob and that being your reason for disliking him.....DON"T LISTEN TO ADRENALINE MOB! Yes they suck, we get it, but Symphony X is not even close to the same thing (It's like listening to only Lulu and St. Anger and claiming Metallica sucks) and Russ really shines on that material especially the stuff from Damnation Game to The Odyssey.
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So its looking like Vince Neil taking the number one spot with Kevin Dubrow a close second? :lol :lol
Paul Shortino third?
Don't forget Stephen Pearcy. :lol
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I actually didn't hate that first Adrenaline Mob album. It was better then the beating it took around here.
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Man, people are really trying to slay Russ over Adrenaline Mob. You guys took into account "Turbo Lover", "Parental Guidance", Winter Songs, and Celestial for Halford, right? :P
I haven't followed any of the 'top' lists, have we done any for instrumentalists?
I was thinking about proposing "Guitarists". I think there might be a little more overlap between lists.
I'd be down to participate in guitarist or other lists if someone else wants to run them.
Looking at Jingle's post, I'm wondering if anyone appeared on half or more of the lists. Looks like the highest so far is Halford with 13?
The top 4 all finished in more than half of the lists. :hat :hat
Interesting... Anyone appear on all the lists?
I think that's virtually certain not to happen, but it'll be interesting to see if any have over a 90% rate.
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Devin Townsend - Yep, my #1! He's the whole package, enough said.
Russell Allen - Had him at #9. To all those complaining about Adrenaline Mob and that being your reason for disliking him.....DON"T LISTEN TO ADRENALINE MOB! Yes they suck, we get it, but Symphony X is not even close to the same thing (It's like listening to only Lulu and St. Anger and claiming Metallica sucks) and Russ really shines on that material especially the stuff from Damnation Game to The Odyssey.
I agree, and yet... I dunno. It's not just Adrenaline Mob, it's his singing with SX after The Odyssey as well. And I could also just not listen to those albums, but it's not like I hate them or hate his singing. But I'm not opposed to him being on the list at all; I know a lot of people like his "angry" voice anyway, and it's all good.
However..
I actually didn't hate that first Adrenaline Mob album. It was better then the beating it took around here.
No, it wasn't. :) Well, I wasn't here, I think I was at MP's forum at the time, but whatever negative comments were made here, I'm sure they were warranted. :)
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Russell Allen is NOT my favorite singer, and Symphony X wouldn't make a top 10 list of favorite bands. But I consider Russ's performance on Underworld the single greatest vocalist performance on an entire album in all rock/metal.
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Wow!
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Russell Allen is NOT my favorite singer, and Symphony X wouldn't make a top 10 list of favorite bands. But I consider Russ's performance on Underworld the single greatest vocalist performance on an entire album in all rock/metal.
OK, that's a hot take......and now you are going to make me go listen to that album again... :corn
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I found myself for an entire album waiting for the soaring chorus vocals that never came (same critique I have of the Sons of Apollo work) and after a couple listens, I finally gave up and just listened to the interesting guitar parts in between the bland vocals.
I just don't see how you can call this "bland". I had this song stuck in my head off and on for weeks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u54rqm1xck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u54rqm1xck)
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So its looking like Vince Neil taking the number one spot with Kevin Dubrow a close second? :lol :lol
Paul Shortino third?
Don't forget Stephen Pearcy. :lol
Perfect example! I love Ratt growing up but Search isn't technically a great singer but it made the band stand out. I saw Ratt and Bon Jovi opened for them.
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Russell Allen is NOT my favorite singer, and Symphony X wouldn't make a top 10 list of favorite bands. But I consider Russ's performance on Underworld the single greatest vocalist performance on an entire album in all rock/metal.
OK, that's a hot take......and now you are going to make me go listen to that album again... :corn
I agree with Bosk 100% on that. Underworld is hands down my favorite Sym X album.
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Devin was my #17. I recognize how epic his voice is and he would be even higher if I could actually connect with most of his music. When I like it I really like it though. Saw his band this year opening for Dream Theater, great performance.
Had Russell at #3. He just can't do wrong in SX. Like him more on older albums (Divine wings, V) but his performance on Underworld is great as well. Again, like with Ray, I like vocal ornamentation he does, it's something that is not heard that often in rock/metal.
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Russell Allen is NOT my favorite singer, and Symphony X wouldn't make a top 10 list of favorite bands. But I consider Russ's performance on Underworld the single greatest vocalist performance on an entire album in all rock/metal.
These are the sort of takes that make me find my CD and play it in the car tomorrow. Nice.
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Would love to hear Coz' beef with Russ too.
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Russell Allen is NOT my favorite singer, and Symphony X wouldn't make a top 10 list of favorite bands. But I consider Russ's performance on Underworld the single greatest vocalist performance on an entire album in all rock/metal.
I'm not sure I'd go quite that far, but Underworld is one of my Top 10 albums of the decade, and was a great 'comeback' (for my tastes) after Paradise Lost and Iconoclast, where I didn't much care for Russ's 'garbled' delivery.
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Today's update!
06 Ronnie James Dio
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Appeared on 16 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (TAC)
9 Top 10 Finishes
I recognize what a great singer Dio was, but I didn't rank him. There isn't a lot of material by him I listen to with any regularity, and I have to be honest and say that when I think of great and/or favorite singers, his name never pops into my head. But I get why many love him.
05 Steve Perry
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Appeared on 15 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 2 (Samsara, devieira73)
9 Top 10 Finishes
I have to admit that was a little stunned to see Perry finish this high. I figured he'd make the list, but top 5? Wow. I didn't rank him, but he was part of the 35-40 I put into the ranker (he just didn't make my top 25). I know fans of the earliest Journey material didn't like how commercial their songs got once Perry joined the band, but his voice elevated the band in a way that seems more than obvious.
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Didn't have either on my list. Not a massive Dio fan, and didn't even think of Perry, but both are tremendous singers.
I figured Dio would score high, I too am a bit surprised by Perry's appearance.
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I had RJD at #16 but as soon as I checked over my list a couple days later when the countdown began couldn't believe I had him that low :laugh:
Probably shoulda made my Top10 but anyways great to see him although I personally had him pegged top3...
Love Perry but was a ways off my 25...
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I know Dio is beloved in the metal community and I have a friend who has him on a very high pedestal but personally, I don’t get it.
Perry is legendary as well and I’m happy to see him ranked this high.
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I'm a bit surprised how high Perry is, considering he's been a shell of himself for like 20 years (and given Samsara's high rating, the comments re: JLB perplex me even more). Anywho, I rated both, though relatively low - Perry at 19, Dio at 21.... largely because their output is pretty condensed. But both are god-tier voices, and I've got no problem both being this high.
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Neither were on my list but I'm good with both. I saw Dio live a few times and he was great. I'm not as familiar with Steve Perry aside from Journey's hits but I think he has a great voice.
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Even though I did not rank Dio I am glad to see him here. Great singer indeed.... just one I never listen to
Steve Perry on the other hand has been a favorite singer since I first heard him back in the day.
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The same like yesterday for me. Two singers whose greatness is immediately obvious, pretty much the moment they open their mouth. But I don't really listen to their stuff, apart from occasionally sampling a song or two.
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I didn't submit a list (had a shit couple of weeks that left me preoccupied with other matters), but had I, Perry would've been by number 1. From a very early age, that man's voice has spoken to me in a way that no one has.
In fact, his influence is profound on my musical tastes—JLB has a bit of 'Perry' in him, and that's a huge part of why he's also in my Top 3.
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I always thought RJD had an amazing voice, and I think songs like Rainbow in the Dark and Holy Diver are fun, but I never really got into his music or any of his associated bands. Wasn’t on my list but a worthy singer for the list.
I had Perry ranked exactly 5th, so hooray me! I was actually sweating whether he would make the list at all at this point, but I see the forum came through. Yes, he’s all about the peak, but he was just so excellent back in the 70s and 80s. The perfect blend of range, power, and soulfulness. Go watch him sing Mother, Father on the Live in Houston video (I think that’s the name - the one with the yellow leopard print shirt). Just astounding stuff. He lost a bit of his range by the end of the original Journey run, but in some ways sounded better when his voice settled a bit lower for Frontiers and Raised on Radio. And then even Trial By Fire he still had a really warm, soulful voice despite the limitations. Simply one of the best ever.
This is the Mother, Father clip:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3kx24YtwPKA
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Both really good singers, neither on my list, totally understand why both are on this list though I don't hold Perry in terribly high regard.
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I absolutely love Steve Perry and Journey really found out its musical purpose after he joined the band. Unbelievable talent at its prime, so much range and emotion on his voice. This unnoficial live recording (with great quality!) surely is a proof of that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juEgvTvshNE&list=OLAK5uy_kYJquRtSZiOzpRM3BLoUYb68raDlipEL4
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Neither made my list.
I think I've only ever listened to what I consider to be Dio's most popular albums (Rainbow - Rising, Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell, Dio - Holy Diver). Other than the odd song I don't think I've ever heard anything else by Dio.
Anyone fancy recommending a few more Dio classics to check out?
As for Journey, I can safely say I've never heard a Journey album.
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I ranked Ronnie James Dio #10
He is legendary in my eyes. Love his stage energy until the time he passed away.
I ranked Steve Perry #7
Another legendary. Too bad his prime time was short on screen but it's enough to appreciate.
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With every single update, I get more and more worried about JLB's placement. ;D
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With every single update, I get more and more worried about JLB's placement. ;D
*still crosses fingers about Charlie Dominici*
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I'm confident one other person from my list will still make the cut. As for who I have at #1, there is basically zero chance he'll make it, but I'm going to hold on to hope :heart
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I had RJD at #10, so not too far off the forum consensus. For me, his voice is that of the godfather of metal. Really just lived and breathed it. So happy I got to see him once (fronting Heaven and Hell) before he passed.
As for Steve Perry being this high and being my personal #2, I'm going to stay this again, like I said with Layne Staley - Steve Perry is an absolute master class on how to sing. If you are a singer, or know anything about it, Perry's technique was generally flawless. Incredible range, depth, control, it was the gold standard for rock singing. Period. Very few could be as consistent as him, both in-studio and on stage. There's one other one who did it the entirety of his career as well, and I think he'll be up soon, so I'll wait to say something. But if you're not really familiar with Steve Perry and his work with Journey other than the hits (and now you hear them not with Steve's voice, but with Arnel's since Journey re-recorded the vocals with Arnel and shops those tracks out to commercials, TV shows, and everything), do yourself a huge favor - go listen to the records...particularly the Live in Houston from the Escape tour. Perry didn't have to do any vocal overdubs. Then get back to me. CRAZY good.
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OK I guess I am surprised by the Steve Perry show up this high in the rankings. Not surprised he made the cut because he's a fantastic singer, just that he's this high. I guess I really didn't appreciate the fogey pull in this :lol Nothing against his singing, he's just been mostly irrelevant for awhile and was never a thought for my personal list. I enjoy Journey, but I don't love Journey to even own anything besides their greatest hits album.
Dio is a fine choice for this placement. I didn't vote for him either, solely because I've never really done a deep dive into his work and there fore there's no way he could be one of my favorites since my knowledge is fairly limited to his most well known songs. But the guy is one of the most loved singers in all of metal history, he's earned his positioning.
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I had Dio at 9; not into Perry’s style. Too Michael Boltonish for me (yes I know he predates Bolton). Of the elite trio of famous metal singers (Halford, Dio, and you-know-who coming up soon) Dio ranks a little lower than the others due to him rarely breaking out of his comfort zone and his material being a little samey.
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I had Dio at 9; not into Perry’s style. Too Michael Boltonish for me (yes I know he predates Bolton). Of the elite trio of famous metal singers (Halford, Dio, and you-know-who coming up soon) Dio ranks a little lower than the others due to him rarely breaking out of his comfort zone and his material being a little samey.
Perry is too "Bolton-ish"????
Ouch, man. Just...ouch :facepalm:
(all good, of course, just teasing...sort of ;D)
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I think, as expected, this forum is very partial to metal and prog. That explains why a lot of great singers, who are arguably way better than some that made our forum consensus, have gotten left off.
As for anyone who thinks Steve Perry is too "fogey influenced," (Cram! lol) that's laughable. Steve Perry may be old, and he may have been out of the spotlight as a recording artist for the last 25 years (and really, since the mid-1980s), but he's one of the best singers in the history of music. Period. He transcends any age group and you're doing yourself a disservice by rendering him as irrelevant. There wouldn't be some of the great singers that people like today without guys like Perry.
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I think, as expected, this forum is very partial to metal and prog. That explains why a lot of great singers, who are arguably way better than some that made our forum consensus, have gotten left off.
As for anyone who thinks Steve Perry is too "fogey influenced," (Cram! lol) that's laughable. Steve Perry may be old, and he may have been out of the spotlight as a recording artist for the last 25 years (and really, since the mid-1980s), but he's one of the best singers in the history of music. Period. He transcends any age group and you're doing yourself a disservice by rendering him as irrelevant. There wouldn't be some of the great singers that people like today without guys like Perry.
I would add that there are a handful of Journey tracks on each of the seminal w/Perry releases ("Edge of the Blade," Keep on Runnin'," "Dead or Alive," "Line of Fire," etc.) that straight-up rock as hard as, well, just about anything.
Yes, the band wrote a ton of ballads, but I'd urge anyone who thinks of Michael Bolton when thinking about the band to listen to Journey's Escape (their opus IMO) — it's a pretty timeless album that sounds so much better (to my ears) that much of the modern metal that I hear these days.
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I had Dio at #7, which in hindsight puzzles me because I’m not really that big of a fan. I like 2 of the 4 albums he did with Sabbath and only one Rainbow album. Never cared for his solo stuff. He’s certainly a legend and deserves a spot on the list, but idk about top 10.
Steve Perry didn’t cross my mind, but deserves to be on this list. Top 5 seems a bit high, but the people have spoken I guess.
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Man, you guys are some dirt diggers! Put the popcorn down. :rollin
Sorry I'm too private a person. I shouldn't have dangled that nugget though. I'm surprised that much slipped out! Still don't know why I said that much. :facepalm: Maybe in another 20 years.
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Man, you guys are some dirt diggers! Put the popcorn down. :rollin
Sorry I'm too private a person. I shouldn't have dangled that nugget though. I'm surprised that much slipped out! Still don't know why I said that much. :facepalm: Maybe in another 20 years.
:huh:
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Add in the fact you seem relatively new here, I'm very curious :lol but I won't push any further, I'll wait until 2042
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Dio barely made my list at 25. If I hadn't forgotten to include Tatiana, he would have just missed. Iconic metal voice. There are a handful that I love. Lots more that I don't care for, but I am familiar with and recognize his influence on. It was hard to not rank him.
Perry was my #5. Can't really add much more that hasn't been said.
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Moving on...1/2 today. No grudges with either guy. ;) Had Perry at #20 and Dio almost making my list. After that video posted by HOF, maybe Perry should be higher.
Where the selections have placed on my list:
20. Steve Perry
8. Geddy Lee
6. Robert Plant
5. Chris Cornell
2. Layne Staley
And selections from my long list: Dio, Alder, A. Wilson, J. Anderson, Åkerfeldt, McCartney, Gabriel, Delp
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6. Ronnie James Dio NR If this had been a Top 25 'best rock singers', he'd be in my Top Ten. Much admiration. :metal
5. Steve Perry #7 Gawd, what pipes! :tup :hefdaddy Another comment later.
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Moving on...1/2 today. No grudges with either guy. ;) Had Perry at #20 and Dio almost making my list. After that video posted by HOF, maybe Perry should be higher.
Where the selections have placed on my list:
20. Steve Perry
8. Geddy Lee
6. Robert Plant
5. Chris Cornell
2. Layne Staley
And selections from my long list: Dio, Alder, A. Wilson, J. Anderson, Åkerfeldt, McCartney, Gabriel, Delp
:tup
So far, I only have 3 on my list who made the top 25. I *think* there is a chance for 2 more, but we’ll see. Mine so far are:
Geddy Lee - 15
Peter Gabriel - 7
Steve Perry - 5
There is one in my top 10 that I am kind of amazed we haven’t seen yet as I don’t think he’ll be top 4.
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There is one in my top 10 that I am kind of amazed we haven’t seen yet as I don’t think he’ll be top 4.
Just 1??
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DIO!!!!
June 18, 1986
Providence Civic Center
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I actually consider Steve Perry overrated. Not by a lot, but still.
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To me, the bottom four are obvious.
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There is one in my top 10 that I am kind of amazed we haven’t seen yet as I don’t think he’ll be top 4.
Just 1??
Well, there are a couple others that I thought had a chance, but this one seems to have a particularly strong forum following. Maybe he’s in the top 4 though.
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And then even Trial By Fire he still had a really warm, soulful voice despite the limitations. Simply one of the best ever.
I LOVE that album. Perry's performance is absolutely...beautiful. I never even noticed that he didn't really stretch into the atmosphere until like the third or fourth time I heard the album (I bought it on release day). :lol
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06 Ronnie James Dio
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05 Steve Perry
Alright! I had Dio at 5 and Perry at 21. Dio is one of the five singers I felt really confident about. I wasn't sure about Perry since I don't see a ton of Journey discussion around here (and I'm surprised he ranked top 5). So, that leaves four spots for the remaining four (who are not my top 4). If these four guys aren't in top 4, I'm going to be mega surprised.
Dio's performance on the first three Rainbow albums, his first two albums with Sabbath, and his first three solo albums has cemented him as a top vocalist for me for 35+ years. He's deceiving in that it often didn't sound like he was singing high notes, but I'd try to sing along and find myself unable. Just effortless power and passion. After the abysmal Lock up the Wolves, I fell out with the band Dio. His brief reunion with Sabbath was better than solid, and I saw him with Heaven and Hell just a few years before he died. Didn't seem to have lost a step at all (and I don't remember a noticeable amount of down-tuning).
Journey was a solid band. I got really into them in the late '80s when I was dating a girl for whom they were her favorite band. Perry's vocals absolutely made that band.
My results so far:
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21. Steve Perry
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16. Robert Plant
15. Brad Delp
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13. Geddy Lee
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11. Ann Wilson
10. Michael Kiske
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8. Rob Halford
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5. Ronnie James Dio
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2. Jon Anderson
1. Ray Alder
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And then even Trial By Fire he still had a really warm, soulful voice despite the limitations. Simply one of the best ever.
I LOVE that album. Perry's performance is absolutely...beautiful. I never even noticed that he didn't really stretch into the atmosphere until like the third or fourth time I heard the album (I bought it on release day). :lol
It’s an outstanding album. Hated that they couldn’t carry on with Perry after it.
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And then even Trial By Fire he still had a really warm, soulful voice despite the limitations. Simply one of the best ever.
I LOVE that album. Perry's performance is absolutely...beautiful. I never even noticed that he didn't really stretch into the atmosphere until like the third or fourth time I heard the album (I bought it on release day). :lol
It’s an outstanding album. Hated that they couldn’t carry on with Perry after it.
Same. I eventually saw that tour in 1998, Journey/Foreigner at Jones Beach, Long Island, NY. Steve Augeri did a great job. Really enjoyed it. But man, I was bummed Perry wasn't a part of it. Cool little fact about Trial By Fire. Journey played the title track, honoring those who lost their lives during 9/11, at a amphitheater show near my hometown on Long Island. It was 2002. Really cool to hear that title track. It isn't and wasn't played much, if at all. Cool moment.
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And then even Trial By Fire he still had a really warm, soulful voice despite the limitations. Simply one of the best ever.
I LOVE that album. Perry's performance is absolutely...beautiful. I never even noticed that he didn't really stretch into the atmosphere until like the third or fourth time I heard the album (I bought it on release day). :lol
It’s an outstanding album. Hated that they couldn’t carry on with Perry after it.
Same. I eventually saw that tour in 1998, Journey/Foreigner at Jones Beach, Long Island, NY. Steve Augeri did a great job. Really enjoyed it. But man, I was bummed Perry wasn't a part of it. Cool little fact about Trial By Fire. Journey played the title track, honoring those who lost their lives during 9/11, at a amphitheater show near my hometown on Long Island. It was 2002. Really cool to hear that title track. It isn't and wasn't played much, if at all. Cool moment.
The title track is definitely one of my favorite Journey songs. Somebody needs to do a Journey top 40 thread!
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And then even Trial By Fire he still had a really warm, soulful voice despite the limitations. Simply one of the best ever.
I LOVE that album. Perry's performance is absolutely...beautiful. I never even noticed that he didn't really stretch into the atmosphere until like the third or fourth time I heard the album (I bought it on release day). :lol
It’s an outstanding album. Hated that they couldn’t carry on with Perry after it.
Same. I eventually saw that tour in 1998, Journey/Foreigner at Jones Beach, Long Island, NY. Steve Augeri did a great job. Really enjoyed it. But man, I was bummed Perry wasn't a part of it. Cool little fact about Trial By Fire. Journey played the title track, honoring those who lost their lives during 9/11, at a amphitheater show near my hometown on Long Island. It was 2002. Really cool to hear that title track. It isn't and wasn't played much, if at all. Cool moment.
The title track is definitely one of my favorite Journey songs. Somebody needs to do a Journey top 40 thread!
I'll second this!
RE: Trial By Fire — my younger (first day buyer as well) self was initially a tad disappointed with the album. Not enough 'rockers' was my main complaint, but man, oh man, has that album aged like fine wine over the years.
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And then even Trial By Fire he still had a really warm, soulful voice despite the limitations. Simply one of the best ever.
I LOVE that album. Perry's performance is absolutely...beautiful. I never even noticed that he didn't really stretch into the atmosphere until like the third or fourth time I heard the album (I bought it on release day). :lol
That album is excellent and also a proof that Perry is an incredible singer even if he can't sing at his higher register anymore.
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DIO is GREAT. Had him at #16. Perry is VERY overrated for me. He is okay, but NOT anywhere near my list!
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I don't think you can really say any of the top 10 singers thus far are "overrated." It's one thing not to like them (I'm not crazy about Dio). But they are all rated so highly for a reason. They are crazy talented and crazy popular. Hard to call someone overrated when the over-rating is solidly earned.
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I ranked Dio at #5 because, well, he’s Ronnie James Dio.
I didn’t rank Steve Perry as I never listened to Journey that much. Loved him on the Captured live album though.
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Dio - number 11. Just awesome but just not an absolute favourite of mine but had to be high on my list.
Steve Perry - no chance. Just don't listen to him apart from a song here and there. Of course he is a great singer but not close to a favourite of mine.
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I don't think you can really say any of the top 10 singers thus far are "overrated." It's one thing not to like them (I'm not crazy about Dio). But they are all rated so highly for a reason. They are crazy talented and crazy popular. Hard to call someone overrated when the over-rating is solidly earned.
I think the term is used way too loosely. I think it's exactly as you say though, people use the term when it's simply that they just don't like them.
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Man, you guys are some dirt diggers! Put the popcorn down. :rollin
Sorry I'm too private a person. I shouldn't have dangled that nugget though. I'm surprised that much slipped out! Still don't know why I said that much. :facepalm: Maybe in another 20 years.
It's the internet; no one will see it!
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24. Robert Plant
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20 Steve Perry
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14 Brad Delp
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7 Paul McCartney
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2. Ann Wilson
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Steve Perry was no. 20. Dio, as much as I love his music, didn't make the cut. Didn't even make the top 50. I don't know; he's excellent, great front man, I love all (well, most) of his music across three/four bands, but as a SINGER... I just like others better. I like guys who NO ONE sounds like, and there are a number of guys that sound like Dio (even Tony Martin; listen to "Cross of Thorns").
Suggested listening for Steve Perry:
1. ALL of the Escape from Houston live album
2. Mother, Father
3. Only The Young
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So now I'm down to 3 on my "would be shocked if they don't make it" list. Feeling pretty confident all 3 will show up. Really curious who the other spot will go to. I kind of feel like for someone to score this high (top 4), he/she should be obvious, so I'm kinda befuddled that I can't think of an obvious choice. Can't wait to see how it shakes out.
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So now I'm down to 3 on my "would be shocked if they don't make it" list. Feeling pretty confident all 3 will show up. Really curious who the other spot will go to. I kind of feel like for someone to score this high (top 4), he/she should be obvious, so I'm kinda befuddled that I can't think of an obvious choice. Can't wait to see how it shakes out.
Tom Englund? Tony Harnell? Michael Sweet should have ranked. Nothing shocks me anymore. I need to do a separate list for metal singers.
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I'm fairly sure I could call the final four ... but there's this 5th one I'm very iffy about. I'm not sure which would surprise me more - him making the Top 4, or not making the Top 25 at all.
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I am still sticking with 3 out of the 4 that I would be shocked if they don't appear. I can guess who I think the other one is but it isn't someone I had in my top 25 however I think there is a good chance they make top 4.
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I don't think you can really say any of the top 10 singers thus far are "overrated." It's one thing not to like them (I'm not crazy about Dio). But they are all rated so highly for a reason. They are crazy talented and crazy popular. Hard to call someone overrated when the over-rating is solidly earned.
But isn't that what overrated means? That the general consensus rate the person/thing significantly higher than you do (and vice versa for underrated)?
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Listen fellow lawyers, I'm going to need briefs on your respective points of view on my desk tomorrow. :lol
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So now I'm down to 3 on my "would be shocked if they don't make it" list. Feeling pretty confident all 3 will show up. Really curious who the other spot will go to. I kind of feel like for someone to score this high (top 4), he/she should be obvious, so I'm kinda befuddled that I can't think of an obvious choice. Can't wait to see how it shakes out.
I feel the same way. The other day I felt fairly confident on the finals, but Steve Perry kind of threw my thoughts aside and now that we are down to four, I'm really not sure besides 3 singers. I have good ideas about the 4th, but I'm really not sure now. I'd like to say more, but I don't want to ruin this with more speculation.
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I don't think you can really say any of the top 10 singers thus far are "overrated." It's one thing not to like them (I'm not crazy about Dio). But they are all rated so highly for a reason. They are crazy talented and crazy popular. Hard to call someone overrated when the over-rating is solidly earned.
bad choice of words. Good point! :tup
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I don't think you can really say any of the top 10 singers thus far are "overrated." It's one thing not to like them (I'm not crazy about Dio). But they are all rated so highly for a reason. They are crazy talented and crazy popular. Hard to call someone overrated when the over-rating is solidly earned.
I think the term is used way too loosely. I think it's exactly as you say though, people use the term when it's simply that they just don't like them.
Guilty! :blush
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I don't think you can really say any of the top 10 singers thus far are "overrated." It's one thing not to like them (I'm not crazy about Dio). But they are all rated so highly for a reason. They are crazy talented and crazy popular. Hard to call someone overrated when the over-rating is solidly earned.
But isn't that what overrated means? That the general consensus rate the person/thing significantly higher than you do (and vice versa for underrated)?
No. To me overrated connotes that they are rated higher than they deserve--not simply higher than I think they should be. Those are two different standards.
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I don't think you can really say any of the top 10 singers thus far are "overrated." It's one thing not to like them (I'm not crazy about Dio). But they are all rated so highly for a reason. They are crazy talented and crazy popular. Hard to call someone overrated when the over-rating is solidly earned.
But isn't that what overrated means? That the general consensus rate the person/thing significantly higher than you do (and vice versa for underrated)?
No. To me overrated connotes that they are rated higher than they deserve--not simply higher than I think they should be. Those are two different standards.
OK, so maybe saying that someone is overrated could technically be wrong, but if my opinion is that I find him to be overrated, it is another way of just saying that I don't see what everyone else sees.
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Yeah, I see what you are saying. But "overrated" isn't the correct terminology. What you said at the end ("I don't see what everyone else sees") is accurate. It's kind of like saying, "In my opinion the sky is pretty green" and thinking the "in my opinion" makes it a logically sound expression of opinion.
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I would like to take this opportunity to say that I don't see what everyone else sees in Steve Perry. Not by a lot, but still.
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I would like to take this opportunity to say that I don't see what everyone else sees in Steve Perry. Not by a lot, but still.
My wonderment was always why so many preferred Perry over Dennis DeYoung. I think they are fairly similar singers, stylistically and quality-wise, and it's not like either band was much more popular than the other, yet Perry is always thought of as the far superior singer. My guess is that DDY gets dinged for his Broadway cheeseball material, but it's not like Perry didn't give us Foolish Heart (which I like, but it's as mushy as Babe).
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I would like to take this opportunity to say that I don't see what everyone else sees in Steve Perry. Not by a lot, but still.
But do you hear what everyone hears?
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I would like to take this opportunity to say that I don't see what everyone else sees in Steve Perry. Not by a lot, but still.
But do you hear what everyone hears?
:lol
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There is a personal taste factor that plays a huge part here. What truly makes a singer great?
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There is a personal taste factor that plays a huge part here. What truly makes a singer great?
Some might say their vocal range, their ability to convey appropriate emotion, their stylistic diversity, or their ability to compliment the music.
Me? I'd say their haircut.
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There is a personal taste factor that plays a huge part here. What truly makes a singer great?
Some might say their vocal range, their ability to convey appropriate emotion, their stylistic diversity, or their ability to compliment the music.
Me? I'd say their haircut.
Exactly. Less hair = Better singer. Hence why Devin Townsend was my #1.
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There is a personal taste factor that plays a huge part here. What truly makes a singer great?
Some might say their vocal range, their ability to convey appropriate emotion, their stylistic diversity, or their ability to compliment the music.
Me? I'd say their haircut.
Exactly. Less hair = Better singer. Hence why Devin Townsend was my #1.
As a bald man, I appreciate this.
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There is a personal taste factor that plays a huge part here. What truly makes a singer great?
Some might say their vocal range, their ability to convey appropriate emotion, their stylistic diversity, or their ability to compliment the music.
Me? I'd say their haircut.
Exactly. Less hair = Better singer. Hence why Devin Townsend was my #1.
Phil begs to differ. ;)
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Unfortunately he didn't make the list.
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Unfortunately he didn't make the list.
its crazy! I'm surprised Erik AK didn't, or am I? The entire thing is "Knutson" :biggrin:
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I don't think you can really say any of the top 10 singers thus far are "overrated." It's one thing not to like them (I'm not crazy about Dio). But they are all rated so highly for a reason. They are crazy talented and crazy popular. Hard to call someone overrated when the over-rating is solidly earned.
But isn't that what overrated means? That the general consensus rate the person/thing significantly higher than you do (and vice versa for underrated)?
I think the reason why many react negatively to others using "overated" that this term implies more than just "I don't like X as much as others do". To me, it sounds like the speaker is saying that X is rated higher than it objectively deserves and all these people who rate it so highly are somehow deficient in taste, incapable to realize that X is not that good, while the speaker alone can discern the true rating. It sound as if the speaker is taking the position of superiority - "you might like it but you are wrong". I know, not everyone saying "overated" means it that way but this is how it often comes off.
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I don't think you can really say any of the top 10 singers thus far are "overrated." It's one thing not to like them (I'm not crazy about Dio). But they are all rated so highly for a reason. They are crazy talented and crazy popular. Hard to call someone overrated when the over-rating is solidly earned.
But isn't that what overrated means? That the general consensus rate the person/thing significantly higher than you do (and vice versa for underrated)?
No. To me overrated connotes that they are rated higher than they deserve--not simply higher than I think they should be. Those are two different standards.
I'm with the boss on this one.
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Curious about how many number 1 finishes on individual lists will singers in the top 4 get. So far, if I am not mistaken, we haven't seen more than 3 for one singer (Daniel Gildenlow). And most singer who have appeared so far had just one or no top spots on anyone's list.
Also wondering if the 4 singers who I thought were locked to appear in top 8 are the ones that actually placed in the top 4. At one point, I was fairly confident about guessing 7 out of 8 remaining singers but I have been dead wrong about 3 of them already.
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8 Chris Cornell
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4 Daniel Gildenlöw
3 Russell Allen
2 Mikael Åkerfeldt
1 Ray Alder
Dio, obviously a legend. His best stuff is imo with Rainbow. Black Sabbath stuff is iconic. Love some of his solo stuff as well. The thing with him for me is that he always sounded good, even if I wasn't fan of the song. One of the voices that got me into metal.
Steve Perry - didn't expect him this high tbh. His name crossed my mind while putting together a list. Escape is the sound of the 80s for me. Sadly, didn't explore more Journey yet so he left unranked.
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Let's do this... :metal :metal
04 Geoff Tate
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Appeared on 19 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (WardySI, Samsara, devieira73, Zoom E, bosk1)
9 Top 10 Finishes
Tate at his peak was pretty absurd. He could do it all vocally, and had a warmth and emotion in his voice that many who sing in that style either do not have or didn't to his level. It's a bummer that his peak wasn't very long (his vocals were rapidly declining by his late 30s), but what a peak it was. I ranked him 11th.
03 Bruce Dickinson
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Appeared on 23 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (wolfking, The Realm, Cool Chris)
12 Top 10 Finishes
Bruce is a tough one for me. I finally became an Iron Maiden fan in the last year and change, and he is a great singer for sure, but his vocals rarely touch me the way those of many others do. I think of him more as a technical bad ass than a singer whose voice is like a warm blanket, if that makes sense. Unranked for me, but I totally get why he ranks so high for many.
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Honestly, never was a Queensryche fan. As for Maiden, I never enjoyed them for Bruce's vocals, even though I have mad respect for him as a person.
Neither made my list, but both were in my prediction for the final four, and I'm pretty sure the top two are on spot as well.
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Tate would have made my top 5.
Bruce is great but I’m not a big Maiden fan. Not surprised he’s this high.
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I had Bruce at #8. Is big of an Iron Maiden fan that I am, I recognize him for his talent and longevity. He's also quite creative as his solo albums bear.
I had Tater at #14. To me, he had such a short run. It was at the highest level possible though. Still, that run gave me Warning and O:M (and the EP). Rage and Empire are both extremely casual albums for me.
25 Mike Howe
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23 Daniel Heiman
22 Joacim Cans
21 Rhett Forrester
20 Rob Halford
19 Biff Byford
18 Ray Alder
17 Eric Knutson
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14 Geoff Tate
13 Geddy Lee
12 Matt Smith
11 Paul Stanley
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1 Michael Kiske
both were in my prediction for the final four, and I'm pretty sure the top two are on spot as well.
Yes, I also thought they were locks for the Final Four.
I'm pretty sure I know the other two, though I could see one being bumped by a Wild Card, though I would be quite surprised if that happened.
Only one of those three made my list though.
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These two weren't even in the same solar system as my list, but I know they're loved around here.
I haven't really got much of an opinion of Tate, I'm not familiar with much of his work.
As for Brucie boy, he's literally the reason I can't get into Iron Maiden! I'm ready to get flamed but I find him too over the top. OK, I guess it's not all Bruce, I suppose I also see Iron Maiden as like the Star Trek of the metal world (as in, lacking in cool factor, the sort whose fans tuck their t-shirt into their jeans).
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I had neither in my ranking.
Maybe I should have had Geoff Tate. Was soo into QR up to and including Promised Land. And yeah bsck then he was definiteley a favorite. I might have let the later years cloud his ranking.
Bruce Dickinson is great but I am not a big fn of IM and don't listen to him that much.
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yeah, that solidifies the Top 2 for sure.
I barely rated Bruce (#24). 80s Bruce was amazing. I'm not much a fan of his solo work, so can't really appreciate him for that decade. Reunion Maiden was pretty damned good, but he's still a shell of what he once was. Time has not been kind to his voice (imo). And the lyrics/melodies of IM these days are just too repetitive and/or ordinary for me to re1993ally love his current stuff.
Tater ... for a decade, he was at the top of the prog-metal world vocally - maybe he became 1b in 1993. But still, up to that point, he reigned. Then QR went to shit in the late 90s, and he was a top shelf douche. If not for his revival with Avantasia the past few years, he would've also barely rated for me. I put him at 14 as it is, because for 20ish years from the late 90s to '19, he sucked ass.
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I had Tate at 13, could have been higher but for the douche factor and lack of longevity. Bruce was 6. I originally predicted I would have 7 from my list make the cut; so far so good but it might be 8 after tomorrow:
22 Plant
9 Dio
7 McCartney
6 Dickinson
5 Halford
4 Allen
1 Wilson
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Catching up a little.
6. Ronnie James Dio
5. Steve Perry
4. Geoff Tate
3. Bruce Dickinson
I had Perry at # 3 on my list. Just an incredible voice, singing incredible songs.
I've never cared for Dio, Queensryche, or Iron Maiden, so the other 3 were unranked by me, but no surprise whatsoever they landed this high on the list.
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Bruce was #10 for me, and in hindsight should have been much higher.
Geoff Tate did not make my list. QR never did much for me. I like Operation: Mindcrime and a few other songs from the early days, but not much else. Talented vocalist in his prime but he always seemed like a dickhead.
I saw QR live once, at the one show they played on the Progressive Nation 2009 tour in Columbia, MD. I remember they had a cheesy drill sergeant/hype man dude backing up Tate on the American Solider songs, their then-new album.
A few rows ahead of me there was a a guy wearing a sleeveless O:M shirt with fishnet sleeves underneath who was dancing and singing along loudly to every song, new or old. To date this is still how I picture the average Queensrÿche fan.
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Neither on my list but not at all shocked.
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Rated Bruce Dickinson at #18
I lost all my interest for Iron Maiden over the years but gotta admit Bruce's 80' and early 90's vocals are amazing. He is still a great frontman but I'm not sure about his voice. And to be honest last 5-6 years of his live performances I can't understand what he is singing. It's like someone tries to choke him. The man running, jumping, posing on the stage but not singing anymore.
Rated Geoff Tate at #17
I still love early QR albums and the reason is mostly Geoff Tate. But his prime time was quite short and sadly while his live performance went bad his studio recording went bad too. But I still name him as an iconic singer for metal.
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Everything anyone needs to know about 2000s Tater can be summed up in one of my favorite posts of all time (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36090.msg1565339#msg1565339). Geez, almost 10 years old for this one.
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Everything anyone needs to know about 2000s Tater can be summed up in one of my favorite posts of all time (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36090.msg1565339#msg1565339). Geez, almost 10 years old for this one.
That was a laugh out loud post! Kade, bring back this fire dude :lol
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Love Steve Perry. Just don't listen to them often enough on my own anymore, but top 100 is quite likely. A bit surprised he was quite this high though, his work with them was never really metal or prog.
Lots of respect for Dio, heard various work of his and enjoyed it, but nothing I've totally fallen head over heels in love with.
Tate is excellent, but I need to branch out more in their discography, I've heard O:M way more than anything else.
Dickinson is likewise great, like most metal fans, I had a Maiden obsession period, but mine didn't seem to last nearly as long as most. Still like them, just not a regular listen these days.
For the life of me I can't figure out who #2 is. #1 should be incredibly obvious.
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Number one is obvious
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i searched high and low and could not find the original
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Anyone surprised not to see Phil Anselmo till now? Obviously can't be number 2 or 1.
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Anyone surprised not to see Phil Anselmo till now? Obviously can't be number 2 or 1.
Nah. The forum tends to (with some exception) sway classic rock/metal/prog. So that's the bulk of what's here. Phil is classic but mostly meh metal singer (outside of his brief prime). So I'm not shocked.
I'm a little sad there's been no singers that didn't fall into the rock/metal/prog camp, but such is life.
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I had Bruce Dickinson at #15 and didn't include Geoff Tate. I should have, because his voice was awesome, but just couldn't.
Everything anyone needs to know about 2000s Tater can be summed up in one of my favorite posts of all time (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36090.msg1565339#msg1565339). Geez, almost 10 years old for this one.
:lol
That was great.
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I don't think you can really say any of the top 10 singers thus far are "overrated." It's one thing not to like them (I'm not crazy about Dio). But they are all rated so highly for a reason. They are crazy talented and crazy popular. Hard to call someone overrated when the over-rating is solidly earned.
But isn't that what overrated means? That the general consensus rate the person/thing significantly higher than you do (and vice versa for underrated)?
No. To me overrated connotes that they are rated higher than they deserve--not simply higher than I think they should be. Those are two different standards.
Even on that standard, Russell Allen is over-rated!
(I kid! I kid!)
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There is a personal taste factor that plays a huge part here. What truly makes a singer great?
Some might say their vocal range, their ability to convey appropriate emotion, their stylistic diversity, or their ability to compliment the music.
Me? I'd say their haircut.
Exactly. Less hair = Better singer. Hence why Devin Townsend was my #1.
Phil begs to differ. ;)
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But he's not a good singer, so....
(Again, I kid! I kid!)
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So, for perhaps the shocker of the entire thing, Geoff was #28 on my list and Bruce was #43.
Yes, I love Iron Maiden; top three band for me, and I see them every tour, just because. The first hard rock/heavy metal singer I ever saw was Bruce Dickinson, back in 1982 as an opening act on the Beast On The Road tour. I think the new album is one of their best and largely due to Bruce's input. He's a metal God, and my all time number one FRONT MAN. I just... I like what Kev said. He's clearly a technically great singer, but that's not what I listen to Maiden for (though I strongly disagree that he's a shell of what he once was; maybe it's all the showmanship, but I saw him in October and he was on fire, and the show before that, just before COVID, was the best Maiden show I've ever seen).
Tater could have been higher. I LOVE the warmth of his voice (Empire is his high-water mark, if you ask me). I'm not sure why he's at #28 except that there are singers who capture me emotionally more. But he's well and truly one of the best ever at his prime. I saw him on The Warning tour opening for Kiss and was blown away that someone could actually do that with their voice.
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Tate was one of the remaining 4 who I thought would make it but was the least sure about. No doubt his drop off vocally after Promised Land and subsequent shenanigans have knocked him off the pedestal many of us had him on in the 80s and early 90s. But when he was at the top of his game, he had one of the most incredible voices in rock, almost as much for his lower register as for his higher register, but the combo of both was what really made him special. For me, he peaked on Mindcrime, Empire, and Promised Land, though certainly he was amazing on the earlier material as well even if I don’t really care for some of it. That relatively short peak meant he only finished 17th for me. But there was certainly a time growing up when I viewed him as the epitome of a hard rock/metal singer.
Much like the early QR material, Iron Maiden is just not my cup of tea. Never got into them on any level other than thinking they had some comedic value.
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Bruce was my #2, just an all time great and the singer of my favorite band. I actually thought he would land #1 here, but I guess not although a pretty solid finish.
Tate is fine, but nothing special in my eyes. I guess because I didn't live through the classic QR era, but when I listen to it, it's all meh to me. QR is very average in my book so Tate never was a consideration for me. I understand people here love him though so it's not a shock to see him ranked this high, but I just don't understand the love personally (similar to Russell Allen, another good singer, but I just don't get the high level of love). I did give him a fist bump at his solo show I went to a few years ago.
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For the life of me I can't figure out who #2 is. #1 should be incredibly obvious.
It's funny, pretty sure who you're alluding to for #1, and I'd bet Jingle's annual salary who the other vocalist is(as would he). I'm just waiting for some younger members to pipe in "who?" when he's named.
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For the life of me I can't figure out who #2 is. #1 should be incredibly obvious.
It's funny, pretty sure who you're alluding to for #1, and I'd bet Jingle's annual salary who the other vocalist is(as would he). I'm just waiting for some younger members to pipe in "who?" when he's named.
I mean, we all know who Elvis is.
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I were a betting man, Tate and Dickinson would have been two singers I would bet on being revealed today. But not too much, as I got the n.5-8 totally wrong.
Geoff Tate - Had him at 6. Just an incredible singer in his prime - I don't know any other singer who can - or rather could - combine such warm baritone of great depth and beautiful timbre with so brilliant a high register. Also, a technically most sound singer in rock/metal, with the possible exception of Einar Solberg. One reason I rated him only at 6th is his narrower palette of tones compared to my other favorites - he would never really add any grit or rasp to his voice or use super-soft tone.
Bruce Dickinson - just a bit outside of my top 25. A legendary singer, but a bit one-dimensional (maybe I haven't heard the right stuff? - I know only his 80's albums with Maiden). There is one thing he can do better than anyone else - belting in his high register in this unmistakable tone of his, which is both husky, gritty and somehow still has enough harmonics to cut through the mix. But he does it almost all the time and it gets tiring to my ears. It is actually the reason why I have trouble listening to a whole Maiden album in one sitting, as much as I like the music. It is a bit as if JLB employed his heavy Awake-style vocals at pretty much all DT albums and for overwhelming majority of his vocal parts. I mean, it would be incredibly cool, badass - just the fact he could sustain it - but it would get old quickly.
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For the life of me I can't figure out who #2 is. #1 should be incredibly obvious.
It's funny, pretty sure who you're alluding to for #1, and I'd bet Jingle's annual salary who the other vocalist is(as would he). I'm just waiting for some younger members to pipe in "who?" when he's named.
Come on, everyone is gonna know who the remaining two are. I am really,positively and absolutely sure. I mean, I would bet anyone's annual salary but mine on that.
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For the life of me I can't figure out who #2 is. #1 should be incredibly obvious.
It's funny, pretty sure who you're alluding to for #1, and I'd bet Jingle's annual salary who the other vocalist is(as would he). I'm just waiting for some younger members to pipe in "who?" when he's named.
John Arch
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For the life of me I can't figure out who #2 is. #1 should be incredibly obvious.
It's funny, pretty sure who you're alluding to for #1, and I'd bet Jingle's annual salary who the other vocalist is(as would he). I'm just waiting for some younger members to pipe in "who?" when he's named.
I discussed it with someone via PM, and probably have it figured out now. They were on my suspicion list, but I thought they'd be lower, so when they didn't appear so far in the top 10 or so I thought maybe they were just slightly off the list. But given Perry's placement, I've recalibrated my anticipation.
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I had the Air Raid Siren at #12. Love Bruce. He has been a staple for 40+ years of consistently putting out great work and his performances are so energetic. I am comfortable with where I ranked him, but absolutely am fine with the forum consensus at #3.
As for Tate, obviously, as posted, my #1. I think the debate on his vocals are marred by the generation 10 years or more younger than me. Sorta like how Perry was the other day. Tate was other-worldly. What he did in the 1980s and early 1990s (1981-1992) pretty much established the metal voice that would be used by guys like Ray Alder, James LaBrie, Michael Kiske, and tons of other singers as time moved forward. There was no one else that sang as clean and operatic with that much power in a metal band. Halford wasn't as good, neither was Dickinson. Tate had it all.
His prime wasn't "short." A decade of delivering that vocal style, over long tours, night after night, and in the era where guys smoked a ton and didn't realize what they were doing to their voice, took their toll. I actually think Tate had a great resurgence in his voice in the early 2000s through about 2006. Sure, they dropped songs a half-step to help. But he sounded really good. Clear.
Tate's voice changed over time. A lot. When he started out, his regular voice was high. Very high. I know there's this debate whether Tate was a baritone or a tenor. Some experts pointed out he was a high baritone, and his style made it so he could belt out those stratospheric notes. But he was VERY borderline between a tenor and a high baritone, especially when you heard him in the early-80s. His vocal training by the Maestro David Kyle, while enabling Tate to really sing that high all the time was jaw-dropping, it's actually been shown as the years have gone by to hurt your vocals if you keep pushing. And Tate pushed, and pushed hard. The relentless touring, particularly what they did for Mindcrime and Empire hurt him. And it took him several years to get comfortable again.
No, he's never quite been the same, but that's okay. The smoking didn't help, but when you look around at Halford, Dickinson, and some of the others, current Tate is fine for where he's at. Not one of my current favorites, but all-time, Tate set the bar for operatic metal singing in the 1980s.
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I’m pretty certain about the top 2. One of them doesn’t surprise me. The other, if it is who I think it is, would shock me being this high on the list, despite me being a big fan.
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If the second singer is who I think it is, it's absolutely well-deserved.
I'm just waiting for some younger members to pipe in "who?" when he's named.
I don't know about US, but if, once again, if the second singer is who I think it is, he's far more popular and well-known here than Brad Delp, Steve Perry or the Boston singer. I'd be shocked if someone goes "who?" :P
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I don't know about US, but if, once again, if the second singer is who I think it is, he's far more popular and well-known here than Brad Delp, Steve Perry or the Boston singer. I'd be shocked if someone goes "who?" :P
I don't know if this was intentional but I hope not :lol
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:lol
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Tate was one of the remaining 4 who I thought would make it but was the least sure about. No doubt his drop off vocally after Promised Land and subsequent shenanigans have knocked him off the pedestal many of us had him on in the 80s and early 90s. But when he was at the top of his game, he had one of the most incredible voices in rock, almost as much for his lower register as for his higher register, but the combo of both was what really made him special. For me, he peaked on Mindcrime, Empire, and Promised Land, though certainly he was amazing on the earlier material as well even if I don’t really care for some of it. That relatively short peak meant he only finished 17th for me. But there was certainly a time growing up when I viewed him as the epitome of a hard rock/metal singer.
Much like the early QR material, Iron Maiden is just not my cup of tea. Never got into them on any level other than thinking they had some comedic value.
Your opinions are a never-ending source of amusement. You hate metal and it seems you don't care for DT that much; I'm still mystified as to how you found this forum :lol. Oh well.
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For the life of me I can't figure out who #2 is. #1 should be incredibly obvious.
It's funny, pretty sure who you're alluding to for #1, and I'd bet Jingle's annual salary who the other vocalist is(as would he). I'm just waiting for some younger members to pipe in "who?" when he's named.
Come on, everyone is gonna know who the remaining two are. I am really,positively and absolutely sure. I mean, I would bet anyone's annual salary but mine on that.
There's one obvious one. I'm struggling with the second. Not that I would disagree (I would no; he made my list) but he's not a given, IMO.
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I don't know about US, but if, once again, if the second singer is who I think it is, he's far more popular and well-known here than Brad Delp, Steve Perry or the Boston singer. I'd be shocked if someone goes "who?" :P
I don't know if this was intentional but I hope not :lol
What I can't stand is that we have the guy who sings More Than a Feeling, as well as the Boston singer and Delp! Like, who the fuck voted for those three?
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I don't know about US, but if, once again, if the second singer is who I think it is, he's far more popular and well-known here than Brad Delp, Steve Perry or the Boston singer. I'd be shocked if someone goes "who?" :P
I don't know if this was intentional but I hope not :lol
What I can't stand is that we have the guy who sings More Than a Feeling, as well as the Boston singer and Delp! Like, who the fuck voted for those three?
HAHA.
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I don't know about US, but if, once again, if the second singer is who I think it is, he's far more popular and well-known here than Brad Delp, Steve Perry or the Boston singer. I'd be shocked if someone goes "who?" :P
I don't know if this was intentional but I hope not :lol
That wasn't intentional, apparently my tired brain decided Brad Delp sang in Alice in Chains. :lol
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I'm getting nervous now that my number 1 won't be o the list.... that was uthinkable a little while ago.
If my number 2 is not icluded I will be less shocked but as sad....
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Wow, wasn't expecting Dickinson. Personally, I had Dave Murray at #3. Go figure.
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Yeah, relatively late to the Maiden party, but have been solidly on the train for a bit over a decade now I think it is. But well before that, I recognized him as a top metal singer, both for his ability and his influence. The man is just a force of nature in so many areas of his life. Such power. But also such a recognizable voice, in terms of timbre, color, tone, and so many other areas.
Tate was my #1. Definitely based on his prime, not his present. I used to sing his material, and aside from what you can just hear with your own ears listening to him, it gave me an entirely next level appreciation for his abilities. He could hit those notes with power, through an entire headlining set, night after night after night, whether tired, sick...you name it. But also, he abused his gift, and now it is gone and he is a shadow of what he once was.
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Tate was one of the remaining 4 who I thought would make it but was the least sure about. No doubt his drop off vocally after Promised Land and subsequent shenanigans have knocked him off the pedestal many of us had him on in the 80s and early 90s. But when he was at the top of his game, he had one of the most incredible voices in rock, almost as much for his lower register as for his higher register, but the combo of both was what really made him special. For me, he peaked on Mindcrime, Empire, and Promised Land, though certainly he was amazing on the earlier material as well even if I don’t really care for some of it. That relatively short peak meant he only finished 17th for me. But there was certainly a time growing up when I viewed him as the epitome of a hard rock/metal singer.
Much like the early QR material, Iron Maiden is just not my cup of tea. Never got into them on any level other than thinking they had some comedic value.
Your opinions are a never-ending source of amusement. You hate metal and it seems you don't care for DT that much; I'm still mystified as to how you found this forum :lol. Oh well.
Mostly because I’ve been on various DT related boards since the early 2000s when I was really big into DT. I ended up here after the MP forum went down. While I’m not big into metal anymore, this is still one of the most eclectic places to discuss music that I’ve come across.
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Tate was one of the remaining 4 who I thought would make it but was the least sure about. No doubt his drop off vocally after Promised Land and subsequent shenanigans have knocked him off the pedestal many of us had him on in the 80s and early 90s. But when he was at the top of his game, he had one of the most incredible voices in rock, almost as much for his lower register as for his higher register, but the combo of both was what really made him special. For me, he peaked on Mindcrime, Empire, and Promised Land, though certainly he was amazing on the earlier material as well even if I don’t really care for some of it. That relatively short peak meant he only finished 17th for me. But there was certainly a time growing up when I viewed him as the epitome of a hard rock/metal singer.
Much like the early QR material, Iron Maiden is just not my cup of tea. Never got into them on any level other than thinking they had some comedic value.
Your opinions are a never-ending source of amusement. You hate metal and it seems you don't care for DT that much; I'm still mystified as to how you found this forum :lol. Oh well.
Mostly because I’ve been on various DT related boards since the early 2000s when I was really big into DT. I ended up here after the MP forum went down. While I’m not big into metal anymore, this is still one of the most eclectic places to discuss music that I’ve come across.
I can totally get with this.
Compared to other boards or, God forbid, Reddit, this forum is an oasis in a cruel and unforgiving dessert!
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this is still one of the most eclectic places to discuss music that I’ve come across.
Preach!
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04 Geoff Tate
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03 Bruce Dickinson
Alright!
Dickinson at 4; Tate at 7.
If we'd done this countdown in...say 1990, my top 4 probably would have been Dickinson, Tate, Dio and Halford. Now, they're in the 4-7 spots. I discovered both Dickinson and Tate via videos on MTV. Flight of Icarus was in reasonably heavy rotation around the time we got MTV, and they also occasionally played Run to the Hills, The Number of the Beast and The Trooper. Queen of the Reich showed up FAR less frequently, but that opening scream was absolutely unbelievable. Pound for pound, I might prefer Tate, but Dickinson gets the advantage with the volume of quality material and superiority as a frontman.
I don't think you can really say any of the top 10 singers thus far are "overrated." It's one thing not to like them (I'm not crazy about Dio). But they are all rated so highly for a reason. They are crazy talented and crazy popular. Hard to call someone overrated when the over-rating is solidly earned.
But isn't that what overrated means? That the general consensus rate the person/thing significantly higher than you do (and vice versa for underrated)?
No. To me overrated connotes that they are rated higher than they deserve--not simply higher than I think they should be. Those are two different standards.
I think we're saying the same thing. Whose to say what any singer "deserves"? There's no objectivity to it. I think so-and-so deserves 50 praise units, but he regularly gets 85 praise units, so he's overrated. However, you might think that same singer deserves 90 praise units, so he's slightly underrated.
I think the reason why many react negatively to others using "overated" that this term implies more than just "I don't like X as much as others do". To me, it sounds like the speaker is saying that X is rated higher than it objectively deserves and all these people who rate it so highly are somehow deficient in taste, incapable to realize that X is not that good, while the speaker alone can discern the true rating. It sound as if the speaker is taking the position of superiority - "you might like it but you are wrong". I know, not everyone saying "overated" means it that way but this is how it often comes off.
I think this is probably right. There's a fair amount of judgment in saying someone is overrated.
Anyone surprised not to see Phil Anselmo till now? Obviously can't be number 2 or 1.
I don't know who that is, so no.
For the life of me I can't figure out who #2 is. #1 should be incredibly obvious.
It's funny, pretty sure who you're alluding to for #1, and I'd bet Jingle's annual salary who the other vocalist is(as would he). I'm just waiting for some younger members to pipe in "who?" when he's named.
Come on, everyone is gonna know who the remaining two are. I am really,positively and absolutely sure. I mean, I would bet anyone's annual salary but mine on that.
Same. Although I have to say that I'm a little surprised that one of the likely top 2 ranked that high (or, if some wildcard comes into play, that he didn't make it at all).
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Tate was one of the remaining 4 who I thought would make it but was the least sure about. No doubt his drop off vocally after Promised Land and subsequent shenanigans have knocked him off the pedestal many of us had him on in the 80s and early 90s. But when he was at the top of his game, he had one of the most incredible voices in rock, almost as much for his lower register as for his higher register, but the combo of both was what really made him special. For me, he peaked on Mindcrime, Empire, and Promised Land, though certainly he was amazing on the earlier material as well even if I don’t really care for some of it. That relatively short peak meant he only finished 17th for me. But there was certainly a time growing up when I viewed him as the epitome of a hard rock/metal singer.
Much like the early QR material, Iron Maiden is just not my cup of tea. Never got into them on any level other than thinking they had some comedic value.
Your opinions are a never-ending source of amusement. You hate metal and it seems you don't care for DT that much; I'm still mystified as to how you found this forum :lol . Oh well.
Mostly because I’ve been on various DT related boards since the early 2000s when I was really big into DT. I ended up here after the MP forum went down. While I’m not big into metal anymore, this is still one of the most eclectic places to discuss music that I’ve come across.
I can totally get with this.
Compared to other boards or, God forbid, Reddit, this forum is an oasis in a cruel and unforgiving dessert!
Yeah, I've come to realize that my interests are far too niche and widely dispersed for there to be any one place that is into them all. If you had run into me in the early 10s I was listening to almost no metal, and certainly no DT any more at that point in time. Things have a way of recentering eventually though, and this is a much better hub than most, plus I have a lot of history with the much earlier version of this forum.
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Tate was one of the remaining 4 who I thought would make it but was the least sure about. No doubt his drop off vocally after Promised Land and subsequent shenanigans have knocked him off the pedestal many of us had him on in the 80s and early 90s. But when he was at the top of his game, he had one of the most incredible voices in rock, almost as much for his lower register as for his higher register, but the combo of both was what really made him special. For me, he peaked on Mindcrime, Empire, and Promised Land, though certainly he was amazing on the earlier material as well even if I don’t really care for some of it. That relatively short peak meant he only finished 17th for me. But there was certainly a time growing up when I viewed him as the epitome of a hard rock/metal singer.
Much like the early QR material, Iron Maiden is just not my cup of tea. Never got into them on any level other than thinking they had some comedic value.
Your opinions are a never-ending source of amusement. You hate metal and it seems you don't care for DT that much; I'm still mystified as to how you found this forum :lol. Oh well.
Mostly because I’ve been on various DT related boards since the early 2000s when I was really big into DT. I ended up here after the MP forum went down. While I’m not big into metal anymore, this is still one of the most eclectic places to discuss music that I’ve come across.
And plus, we're cool. ;)
(I kid, but I know we've had some great conversations in the past and whether you're still on the DT train or not, if you didn't stay here, you'd be missed.)
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Love them both (had Bruce at #11), but completely brain-farted on Tate and left him off my list. He would have been a top 10 for me for sure! :facepalm:
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Tate was one of the remaining 4 who I thought would make it but was the least sure about. No doubt his drop off vocally after Promised Land and subsequent shenanigans have knocked him off the pedestal many of us had him on in the 80s and early 90s. But when he was at the top of his game, he had one of the most incredible voices in rock, almost as much for his lower register as for his higher register, but the combo of both was what really made him special. For me, he peaked on Mindcrime, Empire, and Promised Land, though certainly he was amazing on the earlier material as well even if I don’t really care for some of it. That relatively short peak meant he only finished 17th for me. But there was certainly a time growing up when I viewed him as the epitome of a hard rock/metal singer.
Much like the early QR material, Iron Maiden is just not my cup of tea. Never got into them on any level other than thinking they had some comedic value.
Your opinions are a never-ending source of amusement. You hate metal and it seems you don't care for DT that much; I'm still mystified as to how you found this forum :lol. Oh well.
Mostly because I’ve been on various DT related boards since the early 2000s when I was really big into DT. I ended up here after the MP forum went down. While I’m not big into metal anymore, this is still one of the most eclectic places to discuss music that I’ve come across.
And plus, we're cool. ;)
(I kid, but I know we've had some great conversations in the past and whether you're still on the DT train or not, if you didn't stay here, you'd be missed.)
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Appreciate that!
I was being a bit flippant with that “comedic value” bit. I get that Maiden are a major metal act that a lot of people love, and I am not surprised in the least to see Bruce this high. I have two brothers who think they are great. From time to time I’ve gotten a kick out of some of their stuff (like the video for Run to the Hills). But musically speaking (not to mention the whole zombie imagery thing, etc.), they just haven’t been for me.
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That's so interesting with the zombie imagery and videos and stuff. I have never thought of Iron Maiden that way. I don't think I've ever seen an Iron Maiden video. There are bands that I think of like that, but to me they're just a great band that happens to have a mascot.
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So I was really surprised to see the Boston dude on this list. I knew More than a Feeling and that was basically it. Seemed like a one hit wonder to me. So I decided to check out their greatest hits record. A few songs in and it's pretty damn good! I'll keep checking this out.
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That's so interesting with the zombie imagery and videos and stuff. I have never thought of Iron Maiden that way. I don't think I've ever seen an Iron Maiden video. There are bands that I think of like that, but to me they're just a great band that happens to have a mascot.
I think this is the first time that I have ever seen someone be critical of Maiden because of Eddie. Most metal fans love the band for their use of Eddie, including me. He's just such a versatile mascot, zombie or not.
I didn't submit a list, but mine would have looked something like this. I'm leaving #1 blank because the individual has not yet appeared, but could. The top five are absolutely firm, the rest could shuffle around, in and out of the top 10.
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2. Geoff Tate
3. Ronnie James Dio
4. Bruce Dickinson
5. Rob Halford
6. Floor Jansen
7. Russell Allen
8. Michael Kiske
9. Tommy Shaw
10. Ray Alder
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So I was really surprised to see the Boston dude on this list. I knew More than a Feeling and that was basically it. Seemed like a one hit wonder to me. So I decided to check out their greatest hits record. A few songs in and it's pretty damn good! I'll keep checking this out.
Their first album pretty much IS their greatest hits album.
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For the life of me I can't figure out who #2 is. #1 should be incredibly obvious.
It's funny, pretty sure who you're alluding to for #1, and I'd bet Jingle's annual salary who the other vocalist is(as would he). I'm just waiting for some younger members to pipe in "who?" when he's named.
John Arch
Blackie Lawless
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So we all know Kip Winger is number one.
I guess I'm trying to figure out who number 2 is.
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Bruce was an easy number 1 for me. He is probably my all time musical idol, even more than any guitarist, which is crazy. Love him.
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For the life of me I can't figure out who #2 is. #1 should be incredibly obvious.
It's funny, pretty sure who you're alluding to for #1, and I'd bet Jingle's annual salary who the other vocalist is(as would he). I'm just waiting for some younger members to pipe in "who?" when he's named.
John Arch
Blackie Lawless
Blackie ranked at number 3 for me.
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Geoff Tate is my fave singer of all the time and basically because of what he was capable of singing between 83 to 94, but I still think he is capable of a really really good performance, with a great feeling and tone even if he lost a lot of his power and range. As best examples of later Tate, I would mention: Avantasia's Seduction of Decay (2016) and Invicible (2019):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8az8y_D3tDw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrWYzt-mTug
I didn't comment before, but Bruce (#4) and Dio (#7) obviously are amazing and pretty high on my book! And they are among a few that managed to have almost a lifetime of top voice, specially Dio.
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Seeing as we are near the end, here are some names I would have thrown into the mix…
Roy Khan
Steve Hogarth
Tom Englund
Pat Benetar
Lee Douglas
George Michael
Steve Walsh
David Gilmour
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So I was really surprised to see the Boston dude on this list. I knew More than a Feeling and that was basically it. Seemed like a one hit wonder to me. So I decided to check out their greatest hits record. A few songs in and it's pretty damn good! I'll keep checking this out.
Their first album pretty much IS their greatest hits album.
Don't sleep on "Don't Look Back", though. It's at LEAST half killer.
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Seeing as we are near the end, here are some names I would have thrown into the mix…
Roy Khan
Steve Hogarth
Tom Englund
Pat Benetar
Lee Douglas
George Michael
Steve Walsh
David Gilmour
I had one of those (Gilmour). I forgot about George Michael though; great singer.
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Roy Khan and Tom Englund were both on my list.
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Roy was on mine too.
What about non rock/metal/prog singers?
I had Lady Gaga and Billie Eilish on mine. I'm sure plenty of people had Taylor Swift and I'm sure Stads had Dolly Parton or someone.
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Roy was on mine too.
What about non rock/metal/prog singers?
I had Lady Gaga and Billie Eilish on mine. I'm sure plenty of people had Taylor Swift and I'm sure Stads had Dolly Parton or someone.
Roy was on mine as well.
I also had Alanis Morissette
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Seeing as we are near the end, here are some names I would have thrown into the mix…
Roy Khan
Steve Hogarth
Tom Englund
Pat Benetar
Lee Douglas
George Michael
Steve Walsh
David Gilmour
I had one of those (Gilmour). I forgot about George Michael though; great singer.
I rated Gilmour (my n. 10) and Walsh (n.23). I thought Gilmour as the (best) singer of one of the most legendary prog bands would make the collective top 25. Not a great power, range or technique but I love the way his voice sounds (one of my greatest disappointments in music was, after falling in love with Gilmour-led live version of Shine on You Crazy Diamond, hearing the studio version with verses sung by Waters )
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It's a little early. I think Kev said he was going to reveal the other singers that didn't make it.
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how do we know Kev didn’t put himself at #1
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how do we know Kev didn’t put himself at #1
We'll find out tomorrow
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I had H as well as Fish. Fish was actually my #3 behind Anderson and the eventual #1.
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Tate's voice changed over time. A lot. When he started out, his regular voice was high. Very high. I know there's this debate whether Tate was a baritone or a tenor. Some experts pointed out he was a high baritone, and his style made it so he could belt out those stratospheric notes. But he was VERY borderline between a tenor and a high baritone, especially when you heard him in the early-80s. His vocal training by the Maestro David Kyle, while enabling Tate to really sing that high all the time was jaw-dropping, it's actually been shown as the years have gone by to hurt your vocals if you keep pushing. And Tate pushed, and pushed hard. The relentless touring, particularly what they did for Mindcrime and Empire hurt him. And it took him several years to get comfortable again.
No, he's never quite been the same, but that's okay. The smoking didn't help, but when you look around at Halford, Dickinson, and some of the others, current Tate is fine for where he's at. Not one of my current favorites, but all-time, Tate set the bar for operatic metal singing in the 1980s.
I know there has already been a fair amount of betting annual salaries but still, listening to early QR stuff, I would bet my annual salary that Tate was a baritone from the beginning. If you listen to the lower parts of Lady Wore Black, it seems clear - no tenor has this type of timbre and depth in this part of their voice (imagine how Bruce would sound...or JLB). But there is no doubt smoking changed his voice later and made it even deeper, almost bassy at times. Though this ability of a natural baritone to sing really high is rare, it is not unheard of. I have heard some operatic baritones sing tenor arias and there have been quite a few rock/metal baritones who could wail really high really well - Tate was just best of them..
You also mentioned Tate's teacher David P. Kyle - I remember reading that he was also a teacher to Ann Wilson, Layne Stanley and Chris Cornell. Listening to Wilson, I think I can hear it - I mean the same technical approach. But I am not hearing it with Stanley and Cornell.
BTW...does the QR book you participated on cover making Tate as a singer in a greater detail? All this Tate and QR discussion here made me think about getting it (and unlike Rich Wilson's DT book, it is also available as e-book, which is a prerequisite)
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Roy was on mine too.
What about non rock/metal/prog singers?
I had Lady Gaga and Billie Eilish on mine. I'm sure plenty of people had Taylor Swift and I'm sure Stads had Dolly Parton or someone.
8 Hank Williams, Jr. ("The Pressure Is On", "The Air That I Breathe", "The Only Daddy That'll Walk The Line")
9 Waylon Jennings ("The Only Daddy That'll Walk The Line", "Lucille", "I Ain't Living Long Like This")
Everyone else was more or less rock until Carly Simon at #46.
Any Simon LeBon (just missed at #31) fans in the house? How about Ben Orr of The Cars (who made my list at #25)? "Drive" is a world class vocal.
I also had Johnette Napolitano (Concrete Blonde) at #12. That woman can sing.
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2 out of my 3 certainties today, a bit disappointed we didn't see these 2 revealed tomorrow though. And I can't believe Blaze is going to rank higher than Bruce :)
Geoff Tate - my number 2. Just a phenomenal singer. I am also in the school that thinks his peak wasn't short. His vocals though on Mindcrime is my number 1 vocal performance of all time.
Bruce Dickinson - my number 1 and like Wolfking my number 1 music idol. Just love Bruce and not only is he a fantastic singer he is also one of the great frontmen, his stage antics and way of involving the audience in the Maiden live show are legendary.
Only 2 left, one of these is going to be a real surprise to me that this person has ranked so high.
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Bruce Dickinson - my number 1 and like Wolfking my number 1 music idol. Just love Bruce and not only is he a fantastic singer he is also one of the great frontmen, his stage antics and way of involving the audience in the Maiden live show are legendary.
I'm a guitarist through and through, but Bruce symbolises so many great things that appeal and influence me. His voice and music is a class above the rest for me, but it's his stage presence, performances, general attitude, his constant striving to break new ground in his life doing so many different things, and his overall arrogance and couldn't give a fuck attitude. I just dig that.
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IMO, #1 better be the singer who I think it is.
#2 better not be who I think it is.
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Bruce Dickinson - my number 1 and like Wolfking my number 1 music idol. Just love Bruce and not only is he a fantastic singer he is also one of the great frontmen, his stage antics and way of involving the audience in the Maiden live show are legendary.
I'm a guitarist through and through, but Bruce symbolises so many great things that appeal and influence me. His voice and music is a class above the rest for me, but it's his stage presence, performances, general attitude, his constant striving to break new ground in his life doing so many different things, and his overall arrogance and couldn't give a fuck attitude. I just dig that.
Yes, just totally agree. Well said. I guess I should not be surprised but I honestly thought Bruce would be number 1 overall. How can you not love the guy?
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IMO, #1 better be the singer who I think it is.
#2 better not be who I think it is.
No idea if we have the same singers in our heads but my thoughts for the final 2 are exactly the same. I may have quite a bit to say tomorrow.
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Tina Turner and Karen Carpenter 1 & 2 then!
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Reading through this thread, I realize that many of my 'favorite' singers are far from what you'd call talented...yet, they completely move me as artists.
Thom Yorke, Michael Stipe, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, and Kip Winger would've all made my top 20, and other than Kip, I'll be the first to say that those are some pretty pedestrian vocalists when it comes to talent.
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Reading through this thread, I realize that many of my 'favorite' singers are far from what you'd call talented...yet, they completely move me as artists.
Thom Yorke, Michael Stipe, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, and Kip Winger would've all made my top 20, and other than Kip, I'll be the first to say that those are some pretty pedestrian vocalists when it comes to talent.
Hmm. Michael Stipe was my No. 22. I've seen REM live I think five times and he was excellent every single time. Now Thom Yorke... I may have to ask for a sobriety test! :)
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Seeing as we are near the end, here are some names I would have thrown into the mix…
Roy Khan
Steve Hogarth
Tom Englund
Pat Benetar
Lee Douglas
George Michael
Steve Walsh
David Gilmour
I would suspect most of those are just outside the top 25. Given the popularity of Marillion here I'm surprised Hogarth or even Fish didn't place. Seeing the preference for classics I'm kind of surprised Walsh didn't make it. Khan and Englund have to be close to being included. Benatar is very slowly growing on me over the years. Douglas is limited by only being a secondary lead vocalist, and only on the last few Anathema albums, but she might be in my top 75 anyway. George Michael was great, but not really DTF's kind of music. Gilmour goes in the Geddy category for me. I feel like the glow from the music might permeate into his singing to some extent, though clearly not enough for him to place.
What about non rock/metal/prog singers?
You could argue that 11 of mine have done projects that aren't really rock/metal/prog.
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Reading through this thread, I realize that many of my 'favorite' singers are far from what you'd call talented...yet, they completely move me as artists.
Thom Yorke, Michael Stipe, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, and Kip Winger would've all made my top 20, and other than Kip, I'll be the first to say that those are some pretty pedestrian vocalists when it comes to talent.
The Kip Winger coalition could have used your vote! I had him at number 3. Was really hoping he’d get a few other votes and find his way onto the list.
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Reading through this thread, I realize that many of my 'favorite' singers are far from what you'd call talented...yet, they completely move me as artists.
Thom Yorke, Michael Stipe, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, and Kip Winger would've all made my top 20, and other than Kip, I'll be the first to say that those are some pretty pedestrian vocalists when it comes to talent.
The Kip Winger coalition could have used your vote! I had him at number 3. Was really hoping he’d get a few other votes and find his way onto the list.
May seem like blasphemy, but he didn't rank for me.
If the countdown was based on pure sexiness though, he's number 1-25.
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Seeing as we are near the end, here are some names I would have thrown into the mix…
Roy Khan
Steve Hogarth
Tom Englund
Pat Benetar
Lee Douglas
George Michael
Steve Walsh
David Gilmour
I would suspect most of those are just outside the top 25. Given the popularity of Marillion here I'm surprised Hogarth or even Fish didn't place. Seeing the preference for classics I'm kind of surprised Walsh didn't make it.
Yeah, I wondered where all the Marillion fans were in this exercise, though perhaps Fish and H split their votes.
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:lol :lol :lol
*golf clap*
The joke will be on you all tomorrow when Ms. Swift is at number 1.
Oops, damn spoilers. Where is that edit button??
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Kev was bluffing, Paul Stanley is taking home the gold. JLB didn't rank :lol
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So I was really surprised to see the Boston dude on this list. I knew More than a Feeling and that was basically it. Seemed like a one hit wonder to me. So I decided to check out their greatest hits record. A few songs in and it's pretty damn good! I'll keep checking this out.
Side 1 of Boston's debut is one of the single greatest album sides in rock history. I'm a little less high on side 2 than a lot of others, but every song is at least solid. Don't Look Back might be their best song, but the rest of the album of the same name is nowhere near as good. Following the Don't Look Back tour, bandleader Tom Scholz got embroiled in a couple legal disputes, one of which delayed a third album, and the other of which was filed by the record company for failing to deliver the third album on time. While all this was happening, Scholz started focusing on his amplifier and music electronics business, and half of the rest of the band moved on. There was huge anticipation in the early '80s for a third album, which finally got delivered in 1986. It went 4x platinum in less than six months, but it was as much of a bomb as a 4x platinum album can be. Since then, Boston has been largely irrelevant/a nostalgia band.
Seeing as we are near the end, here are some names I would have thrown into the mix…
Roy Khan
Steve Hogarth
Tom Englund
Pat Benetar
Lee Douglas
George Michael
Steve Walsh
David Gilmour
I had Benatar and Walsh on my list (#12 and #10 respectively). I don't know half of the rest of those names.
What about non rock/metal/prog singers?
I had Lady Gaga and Billie Eilish on mine. I'm sure plenty of people had Taylor Swift and I'm sure Stads had Dolly Parton or someone.
No non-rock singers, but I had Amy Lee and Gwen Stefani on my list.
If I had made a long enough list, I think Celine Dion, Gary Morris, Philip Quast or Idina Menzel would have been the highest ranked non-rock singer, but I don't think any of them would have cracked a top 50 list.
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I should have guessed this crowd would be impatient and start discussing what we normally discuss AFTER the countdown, since any of the ones being talked about could theoretically be numbers 1 or 2 tomorrow. :facepalm: :facepalm: :lol :lol
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I should have guessed this crowd would be impatient and start discussing what we normally discuss AFTER the countdown, since any of the ones being talked about could theoretically be numbers 1 or 2 tomorrow. :facepalm: :facepalm: :lol :lol
Paul thanks the DTF for the love! :lol
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Paul thanks the DTF for the love! :lol
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I'm just very nervous... I mean what if he/she doesn't make it.
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I'm just very nervous... I mean what if he/she doesn't make it.
Then their career is over, effective immediately.
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I should have guessed this crowd would be impatient and start discussing what we normally discuss AFTER the countdown, since any of the ones being talked about could theoretically be numbers 1 or 2 tomorrow. :facepalm: :facepalm: :lol :lol
Paul thanks the DTF for the love! :lol
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That chick is kinda cute. Does she sing?
Anyhow, when I said earlier that I was missing one of the top ones and couldn't figure out who it could be, I'm an idiot. That person just wasn't highlighted on my list, so I read right past the name. Pretty sure I know EXACTLY who the top 2 are (and pretty confident about the order). But I will confirm after they are revealed.
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Tate was close to making my top 25. No disputing that he deserves to be this high. As far as Maiden, I was late in discovering them. Not 'til the reunion era. Since then, Dickinson has been inspirational. I'd say I appreciate his solo albums as much as Maiden's output.
Where the selections have placed on my list:
20. Steve Perry
17. Bruce Dickinson
8. Geddy Lee
6. Robert Plant
5. Chris Cornell
2. Layne Staley
And selections from my 25+: Tate, Dio, Alder, A. Wilson, J. Anderson, Åkerfeldt, McCartney, Gabriel, Delp
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6. Steve Perry #7 ‘Infinity’ and ‘Escape’ are in my Top 50 albums (they dropped off my radar from ‘Raised On Radio’ onwards). Saw Journey 3x in the 70s.
‘Winds Of March’ at the 2:18 to 2:42 mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMPKlejYzPM I’ll never forgot how he nailed that in concert during the ‘Infinity’ tour. Looked over to my best friend, and both our jaws were dropped.
From ‘ For The Love Of Strange Medicine’ : You Better Wait, Stand Up, Listen To Your Heart, Somewhere There’s Hope . Saw that tour twice with the ex, once at Wings Stadium in Kalamazoo, the other at The Fox Theater in Detroit. He still had it !!!!
5. Ronnie James Dio NR much respect. Figured he'd be Top Five.
4. Geoff Tate #14 where the ‘trials and tribulations’ knocked him down several notches. Blew me away at the ‘Empire’ and ‘Promised Land’ shows, and the HITNF one might have been my most enjoyable. During their heydays, Freddie, Geoff, Steve, and Dennis DeYoung (along with McCartney) would be on my 'Mount Rushmore' for singers.
3. Bruce Dickinson NR, but again, much respect, and also figured he'd be Top Five.
My only non-rocker would have been Sinatra if this list were forty (and Kev's spreadsheet could have been two miles long......)
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I'm just very nervous... I mean what if he/she doesn't make it.
Then their career is over, effective immediately.
Yup, done.
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Had Bruce at #6 for all the reasons discussed and Tate #1 again for all the reasons discussed.
When I first heard Tate on record I was immediately won over by the warmth and tone of his mid and lower registers. The highs were just the icing on the cake :metal
I reckon my #12 will be in the Top2 however I have no idea regards the other but if I had to take a stab maybe was my #4 as am already surprised they've not featured...
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So I was really surprised to see the Boston dude on this list. I knew More than a Feeling and that was basically it. Seemed like a one hit wonder to me. So I decided to check out their greatest hits record. A few songs in and it's pretty damn good! I'll keep checking this out.
Just listen to the debut. It's basically a GH album in itself!
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IMO, #1 better be the singer who I think it is.
#2 better not be who I think it is.
;) :tup
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Glad to see there were 5 of us who had Tate at #1. Incredible voice in his prime. My memory has blocked out the years where he was a detriment to the music he was singing over.
I had Bruce at #14. When I bought The Number of the Beast as a teenager, I didn’t care for his voice at all. I eventually warmed up to him, but I don’t think he’s a top tier singer. He’s on my list mostly just because of how much I love Maiden.
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I had Bruce at #14. When I bought The Number of the Beast as a teenager, I didn’t care for his voice at all. I eventually warmed up to him, but I don’t think he’s a top tier singer. He’s on my list mostly just because of how much I love Maiden.
I used to feel this way up until I heard Balls To Picasso. From that point on, he's been next level for me.
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I had Bruce at #14. When I bought The Number of the Beast as a teenager, I didn’t care for his voice at all. I eventually warmed up to him, but I don’t think he’s a top tier singer. He’s on my list mostly just because of how much I love Maiden.
I used to feel this way up until I heard Balls To Picasso. From that point on, he's been next level for me.
+1
Casual fan until Balls To Picasso and Tears Of The Dragon which had me do a 180 and rediscover the Maiden catalogue :metal
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I had Bruce at #14. When I bought The Number of the Beast as a teenager, I didn’t care for his voice at all. I eventually warmed up to him, but I don’t think he’s a top tier singer. He’s on my list mostly just because of how much I love Maiden.
I used to feel this way up until I heard Balls To Picasso. From that point on, he's been next level for me.
I have a bunch of Bruce’s solo albums, but I've never actually heard Balls to Picasso.
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I had Bruce at #14. When I bought The Number of the Beast as a teenager, I didn’t care for his voice at all. I eventually warmed up to him, but I don’t think he’s a top tier singer. He’s on my list mostly just because of how much I love Maiden.
I used to feel this way up until I heard Balls To Picasso. From that point on, he's been next level for me.
I have a bunch of Bruce’s solo albums, but I've never actually heard Balls to Picasso.
I remember getting it when it came out. I was blown away by Bruce not only vocally, but creatively. I thought the album had such a fresh feel to it. Compared to TXF, it was such a breath of fresh air.
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I had Bruce at #14. When I bought The Number of the Beast as a teenager, I didn’t care for his voice at all. I eventually warmed up to him, but I don’t think he’s a top tier singer. He’s on my list mostly just because of how much I love Maiden.
I used to feel this way up until I heard Balls To Picasso. From that point on, he's been next level for me.
I have a bunch of Bruce’s solo albums, but I've never actually heard Balls to Picasso.
I remember getting it when it came out. I was blown away by Bruce not only vocally, but creatively. I thought the album had such a fresh feel to it. Compared to TXF, it was such a breath of fresh air.
I will check it out. :tup
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I had Bruce at #14. When I bought The Number of the Beast as a teenager, I didn’t care for his voice at all. I eventually warmed up to him, but I don’t think he’s a top tier singer. He’s on my list mostly just because of how much I love Maiden.
I used to feel this way up until I heard Balls To Picasso. From that point on, he's been next level for me.
I have a bunch of Bruce’s solo albums, but I've never actually heard Balls to Picasso.
I remember getting it when it came out. I was blown away by Bruce not only vocally, but creatively. I thought the album had such a fresh feel to it. Compared to TXF, it was such a breath of fresh air.
I will check it out. :tup
...and report back I hope!
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I'm just very nervous... I mean what if he/she doesn't make it.
Then their career is over, effective immediately.
:lol :lol :lol :lol
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Since it came up earlier, I just realized I did have 2 singers from the same band, though they were not in the band at the same time.
Non rock/metal singers: Donna Summer, Linda Ronstadt.
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Reading through this thread, I realize that many of my 'favorite' singers are far from what you'd call talented...yet, they completely move me as artists.
Thom Yorke, Michael Stipe, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, and Kip Winger would've all made my top 20, and other than Kip, I'll be the first to say that those are some pretty pedestrian vocalists when it comes to talent.
Calling Dylan pedestrian is an understatement. Excellent songwriter, but if we apply common standards by which people usually judge singing voices, he might be the only vocalist giving Yoko-Ono run for her money as the worst singer ever. But I totally get why someone would rank him - in the context of his songs, his voice just works.
Stipe was my n. 8. I actually think he is quite talented, but not in terms of power/range.
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Bruce Dickinson - my number 1 and like Wolfking my number 1 music idol. Just love Bruce and not only is he a fantastic singer he is also one of the great frontmen, his stage antics and way of involving the audience in the Maiden live show are legendary.
I'm a guitarist through and through, but Bruce symbolises so many great things that appeal and influence me. His voice and music is a class above the rest for me, but it's his stage presence, performances, general attitude, his constant striving to break new ground in his life doing so many different things, and his overall arrogance and couldn't give a fuck attitude. I just dig that.
Yes, just totally agree. Well said. I guess I should not be surprised but I honestly thought Bruce would be number 1 overall. How can you not love the guy?
If the thread was titled "Top 25 musicians you admire most as a person", Bruce would be n.1 contender for me.
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Bruce Dickinson - my number 1 and like Wolfking my number 1 music idol. Just love Bruce and not only is he a fantastic singer he is also one of the great frontmen, his stage antics and way of involving the audience in the Maiden live show are legendary.
I'm a guitarist through and through, but Bruce symbolises so many great things that appeal and influence me. His voice and music is a class above the rest for me, but it's his stage presence, performances, general attitude, his constant striving to break new ground in his life doing so many different things, and his overall arrogance and couldn't give a fuck attitude. I just dig that.
Yes, just totally agree. Well said. I guess I should not be surprised but I honestly thought Bruce would be number 1 overall. How can you not love the guy?
If the thread was titled "Top 25 musicians you admire most as a person", Bruce would be n.1 contender for me.
Don't get me wrong, even though he's the full package for me, he's by far my favourite vocalists when talking strictly vocals. His voice is just something special IMO.
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For those who don't know https://www.screamformesarajevo.com/
During the longest siege a capital city has faced in the history of modern warfare, and amid the mortars and grenades, a heavy metal band agreed to play a concert…
Scream for Me Sarajevo is the astonishing story of the most unlikely of rock concerts, performed by Bruce Dickinson and his band Skunkworks in 1994. Risking their lives, they were smuggled into the besieged city to play a concert for its citizens amidst the chaos of war.
He was my #11. Iron Maiden got me into metal (and music generally). Didn't explore his solo work besides Chemical Wedding, i definitely should since i loved CW.
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Good shout Tomi. I loved every minute of that documentary.
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I will weep for DTF if the Top 2 are not who I think they are. An hour or so to go I suppose.
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I will weep for DTF if the Top 2 are not who I think they are. An hour or so to go I suppose.
Do you have your suspects in your own 25?
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I will weep for DTF if the Top 2 are not who I think they are. An hour or so to go I suppose.
Do you have your suspects in your own 25?
But of course.
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Top 2? Milli and Vanilli, respectively.
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Top 2? Milli and Vanilli, respectively.
They are for me at least :rollin
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Before the reveal, thanks again to everyone who submitted a list and participated in this countdown and thread. This one has been a lot of fun! :tup :tup
02 James LaBrie
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Appeared on 26 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (ZirconBlue, SeRox, CharlesPL)
12 Top 10 Finishes
I had James ranked 3rd. Dream Theater is an all-time top 3 band for me, and I can safely say that I wouldn't have become a fan back in 1993 if not for his voice. His prime was about as good as that of any rock or metal singer ever. Images and Words is rock solid proof of that. Just an amazing singer in his prime. I am sure some will get stuck on his recent live struggles, and I have talked about them in the proper threads on the DT side, but I do not think they take anything away from his historical (contextually) greatness as a singer. And I think it is worth noting that his natural singing voice is killer, meaning he can sing in a more subdued fashion and not belt it out and still sound great. That goes a long way. Great voice, great singer.
01 Freddie Mercury
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Appeared on 25 of 36 lists
Highest Finish: 1 (SwedishGoose, DragonAttack, hefdaddy42, KevShmev, DTwwbwMP)
15 Top 10 Finishes
Even though I used the ranker, I knew going in that, "Okay, Freddie will be number 1 and let's see how the rest plays out." No one was getting voted when pitted against Freddie. And nor should they. Just listen to songs like Bohemian Rhapsody, Somebody to Love, Flick of the Wrist, Brighton Rock, The Show Must Go On, A Kind of Magic, Don't Stop Me Now, etc. The list goes on and on and on and on... The greatest rock singer of all time, bar none.
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My top 25 was below. I highlighted the ones who did not make the cumulative top 25.
1 Freddie Mercury
2 Steve Walsh
3 James LaBrie
4 Neal Morse
5 Geddy Lee
6 Devin Townsend
7 Peter Gabriel
8 Dennis DeYoung
9 Rob Halford
10 Billy Joel
11 Geoff Tate
12 Bono
13 Ann Wilson
14 Brad Delp
15 Jon Anderson
16 Tommy Shaw
17 Matt Bellamy
18 David Gilmour
19 Taylor Swift
20 Thom Yorke
21 Dave Matthews
22 Alanis Morissette
23 Anneke van Giersbergen
24 John Lodge
25 Roine Stolt
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Yup, just who I figured. Had Freddie at 3. Only ones on my list I'm surprised didn't make it were Fish and DeYoung.
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I feel soo much better now that my number 1 is where he belongs at number 1....
Freddie Mercury.... agree with everything Kev said. And for anyone who says differently just go watch Queen at Live Aid
https://youtu.be/bToG3hKX5nM
As for James Labrie, I totally love him and can't imagine DT witha different singer. Yet I am a bit shocked tha he ended up at nr 2. I had hm at 15. :yeahright
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Full list below. Sorry, they are not numbered, there were too many to take the time to number them all :lol, but the point totals tell the tale.
Freddie Mercury 439
James LaBrie 419
Bruce Dickinson 359
Geoff Tate 328
Steve Perry 241
Ronnie James Dio 234
Russell Allen 200
Devin Townsend 171
Ray Alder 169
Geddy Lee 168
Rob Halford 165
Floor Jansen 159
Ann Wilson 148
Daniel Gildenlow 146
Robert Plant 145
Chris Cornell 137
Michael Kiske 133
Anneke van Giersbergen 131
Jon Anderson 125
Einar Solberg 120
Layne Staley 108
Paul McCartney 107
Brad Delp 106
Peter Gabriel 105
Mikael Akerfeldt 103
Tommy Karevik 101
Mike Patton 99
David Coverdale 98
Neal Morse 96
Phil Collins 94
Roy Khan 89
Damien Wilson 88
David Gilmour 85
Roger Daltrey 84
James Hetfield 82
Klaue Meine 79
Dennis DeYoung 74
Myles Kennedy 74
Sebastian Bach 74
Maynard James Keenan 71
Corey Glover 68
Steve Walsh 68
Sammy Hagar 67
Tom Englund 67
Elvis Presley 64
John Lennon 63
Simone Simons 63
Claudio Sanchez 62
Jeff Buckley 62
Sharon den Adel 62
Steve Hogarth 59
Bono 58
Fish 58
Paul Stanley 58
Phil Mogg 54
Casey Crescenzo 52
Corey Taylor 52
Michael Stipe 52
Hansi Kursch 51
Matt Barlow 50
Ian Gillan 49
Phil Lynott 49
Billy Joel 48
Michael Jackson 48
Nick D'Virgilio 48
Ted Leonard 48
Stevie Nicks 45
Alice Cooper 44
Rik Emmett 44
David Bowie 43
Greg Lake 43
Lou Gramm 43
Kate Bush 41
Pat Benatar 41
Elton John 40
Peter Steele 39
Barbara Streisand 37
Glenn Hughes 37
Matt Heafy 36
Ozzy Osbourne 36
Tarja Turunen 36
David Longdon 35
Eric Martin 34
Jon Bon Jovi 34
Ray Gillen 33
Whitney Houston 33
Kip Winger 32
Matt Bellamy 32
Michael Eriksen 32
Art Garfunkel 31
Deborah Harry 31
Gary Moore 31
Arno Menses 30
Bjorn Strid 30
Christian Alvestam 30
Peter Nichols 30
Stevie Wonder 30
Roger Hodgson 29
Daniel Tompkins 27
Tomi Joutsen 27
King Diamond 26
Amy Lee 25
Eddie Vedder 25
Marjan Welman 25
Mark Knopfler 25
Andrea Bocelli 24
Elliot Smith 24
Ian Anderson 24
Jon Stevens 24
Lajon Witherspoon 24
Paul Buchanan 24
Andrew McDermoot 23
Blackie Lawless 23
Judith Rijnveld 23
Lingua Ignota 23
Sean Harris 23
Simen Hestnaes 23
Aleksandra Rijnveld 22
Dave Meniketti 22
David Pirner 22
Dolores O'Riordan 22
Gary Cherone 22
Joe Elliot 22
Roy Orbison 22
Tom Waits 22
Brittney Slayes 21
Dan Swano 21
Davey Havok 21
Huey Lewis 21
John Bush 21
Jorn Lande 21
Marvin Gaye 21
Robin Zander 21
Susanne Sundfor 21
Tommy Shaw 21
Andi Deris 20
Aretha Franklin 20
Cedric Bixler-Zavala 20
Storm Large 20
Tatiana Shmailyuk 20
Tony Martin 20
Gerard Way 19
Lizzy Hale 19
Loreena McKennit 19
Marcela Bovio 19
Michael McDonald 19
Tinna Karlsdotter 19
Chelsea Wolfe 18
David Pack 18
George Michael 18
Hank Williams Jr 18
John Hiatt 18
Johnny Gioelli 18
Krister Linder 18
Mayu 18
Michael Sweet 18
Morrissey 18
Patrick Stump 18
Paul Shortino 18
Steven Tyler 18
The Tallest Man On Earth 18
Tom Araya 18
Ashe O'Hara 17
Fat Mike 17
Glynn Morgan 17
Jon Oliva 17
Sam Brown 17
Sara Gazarek 17
Sting 17
Troy Sanders 17
Waylon Jennings 17
Yannis Papdopoulos 17
Chino Moreno 16
Daryl Hall 16
Eric Adams 16
Frank Sinatra 16
Julianne Regan 16
Justin Vernon 16
Mariusz Duda 16
Paul Rodgers 16
Steve Broughton 16
Zachary Stevens 16
Andy Kuntz 15
Don Henley 15
JP Leppaluoto 15
Rick Davies 15
Simon Akesson 15
Thom Yorke 15
Tobias Forge 15
Weird Al Yankovic 15
Bruce Springsteen 14
Cat Stevens 14
Dalbello 14
David Lee Roth 14
Edu Falaschi 14
Fiora 14
Jennifer Holiday 14
Johnette Napolitano 14
Jonas Renkse 14
Les Claypool 14
M. Shadows 14
Matt Smith 14
Neil Finn 14
Riley McShane 14
Till Lindemann 14
Annie Haslem 13
Ben Gibbard 13
Billie Eilish 13
Bing Crosby 13
Brandon Boyd 13
Celine Dion 13
Chris Creswell 13
Dave Davies 13
Kevin Martin 13
Kobi Farhi 13
Nienke de Jong 13
Phil Anselmo 13
Roland Orzabal 13
Alanis Morissette 12
Andre Matos 12
Brian Johnson 12
Frank Turner 12
Gerry Rafferty 12
Grace Cummings 12
Heike Langhans 12
Jimmy Barnes 12
Kari Rueslatten 12
Mark Hollis 12
Meat Loaf 12
Midge Ure 12
Prince 12
Alison Krauss 11
Amy Winehouse 11
Bob Catley 11
Dustin Kensrue 11
John Wetton 11
Lady Gaga 11
Lara Fabian 11
Randy Blythe 11
Sufjan Stevens 11
Eric Gillette 10
Hubi Meisel 10
John Baizley 10
Josh Kiszka 10
Kala Rose 10
KD Lang 10
Lauren Hart 10
Lindsey Buckingham 10
Morgan James 10
Nick Cave 10
Nick Holmes 10
David Benoit 9
Eric Knutson 9
James Michael 9
Jeff Martin 9
Jim Grey 9
Joey Belladonna 9
John Farnham 9
Jonas Bjerre 9
Madonna 9
Mark Lanegan 9
Shelia Chandra 9
Taylor Hawkins 9
Ted Neeley 9
Todd Rungren 9
Donna Summer 8
Jon V. 8
Neil Fallon 8
Nils K. Rue 8
Paddy McAloon 8
Saiki 8
Steve Shannon 8
Biff Byford 7
Brian May 7
Jesse Lacey 7
John Corabo 7
Kerry Livgren 7
Lord Tim 7
Marko Hietala 7
Noel Gallager 7
Spencer Sotelo 7
Taylor Swift 7
Tim Eisenberg 7
Tommy Giles Rodgers 7
Adam Duritz 6
Adrian Belew 6
Angela Gossow 6
Barry Manilow 6
Beth Hart 6
Dave Gahan 6
Dean Martin 6
Dusty Springfield 6
Jackson Browne 6
Noah Sebastion 6
Pelle Almqvist 6
Ross Jennings 6
Ruth Moody 6
Steve Lukather 6
Vincent Cavanagh 6
Warrel Dane 6
Billie Joe Armstrong 5
Billy Corgan 5
Bjork 5
Dave Matthews 5
Doug Pinnick 5
Eric Woolfson 5
Erik Rosvold 5
James Murphy 5
Leonard Cohen 5
Michael Hutchence 5
Patsy Cline 5
Rhett Forrester 5
Timothy Schmidt 5
Alexi Laiho 4
Amanda Somerville 4
Chester Bennington 4
Courtney LaPlante 4
Frank Dimino 4
Glen Phillips 4
Grace Slick 4
Joacim Cans 4
Johnny Cash 4
Maggy Lutyen 4
Mariah Carey 4
Matthew Good 4
Ray West 4
Roger Taylor 4
Roine Stolt 4
Shirley Manson 4
Timo Kotipelto 4
Benji Webbe 3
Colm Wilkinson 3
Daniel Heiman 3
David Reece 3
Doris Brendel 3
Glenn Danzig 3
Gregg Allman 3
Jack Russell 3
Jim Morrison 3
Kevin Cronin 3
Robert Tiranti 3
Tim "Ripper" Owens 3
Tobias Sammet 3
Bon Scott 2
Chuck Schuldiner 2
Conor Oberst 2
Gwen Stefani 2
Jesse Hasek 2
John Lodge 2
Justin Hawkins 2
Peter Hammil 2
Richie Kotzen 2
Susan Tedeschi 2
Tony Kakko 2
Ty Tabor 2
Vicky Psarkis 2
Angelina 1/3 1
Belinda Carlisle 1
Ben Orr 1
Brian Dailor 1
Cammie Gilbert 1
Darius Rucker 1
Diana Ross 1
Eric Johnson 1
George Harrison 1
Herman Saming 1
John Arch 1
Jonsi 1
Linda Ronstadt 1
Michelle Luppi 1
Mike Howe 1
Sue Hutton 1
Tori Amos 1
Warren Haynes 1
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My top 25. I guess there are a few who are only on my list.
25. Herman Saming
24. Peter Hammil
23. Doris Brendel
22. Sting
21. David Coverdale
20. Sebastian Bach
19. Steve Perry
18. Peter Nicholls
17. Michael Åkerfeldt
16. Peter Gabriel
15. James LaBrie
14. Kari Rueslåtten
13. Jon Anderson
12. Dalbello
11. Simon Åkesson
10. Steve Broughton
9. Sam Brown
8. Krister Linder
7. Marcela Bovio
6. Greg Lake
5. Daniel Gildenlöw
4. Damian Wilson
3. Anneke van Giersbergen
2. Kate Bush
1. Freddie Mercury
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It was inevitable I guess. Neither made my list but I can appreciate why they are both were they are (moreso Freddie though).
Now for the flood of everyone else's lists! Bring it on.
Here's mine...
25 George Harrison
24 Glenn Danzig
23 Benji Webbe
22 Alexi Laiho
21 Billie Joe Armstrong
20 Pelle Almqvist
19 Paul McCartney
18 Phil Anselmo
17 Robert Plant
16 Stevie Wonder
15 Matt Heafy
14 Frank Turner
13 Chris Creswell
12 Till Lindemann
11 Tobias Forge
10 Chino Moreno
9 Fat Mike
8 Tom Araya
7 Gerard Way
6 Einar Solberg
5 Mikael Åkerfeldt
4 James Hetfield
3 Devin Townsend
2 Claudio Sanchez
1 Casey Crescenzo
I only ended up with 5 making the list but I'm not surprised by that, and I'm pretty sure that's the number I predicted!
As for my thoughts on who I thought would've made the list..
Well I thought James Hetfield would to be honest. Maybe he doesn't have the best voice but at his peak, at was pretty fucking good, and he is the ultimate frontman as far as I'm concerned. Expected him to creep in.
Elvis got more than Casey Crescenzo and Claudio Sanchez! Blasphemy!
Talking of Casey, I'm surprised he only got 52! I had himat number 1 so half those votes are mine alone :lol I think his voice is just incredible!
Hands up, who voted King Diamond? Respect!
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What I've noticed reading through this thread is that some of us approached this as 'my favorite' and others went the route of 'greatest,' which has led to some interesting results.
Me? I would've had James at number 1. After all, he's my 'favorite' singer.
That said, if the thread were titled the "25 Greatest Rock Singers of All Time," Freddie would've topped my list without hesitation.
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Cool
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Well, as I told a few in PM, I made bank. Precisely how I figured the top 2 would land. I had JLB at #4, and Freddie at #11. No denying he's one of the (if not the) greatest rock vocalists in the history of ever, but this is a *favorite* list, and I've got more that I favour. That makes 8 of mine making the list, just as I predicted (and pretty much the 8 I figured would be there.)
I've got 4 that I can make bank on. I think I've got 9-10 that *should* make it, so I'll say 8.
The other 2 I figured *should* be there were Morse and Gilmour. I can honestly say I'm surprised that Neal Morse was rated so low. Just with the breadth of contributions of so many beloved acts (SB, TA, solo, NMB, FC), I figured shear quantity of votes would get him on this list.
What would be interesting to see is the *count* of lists (mainly to see which ones appeared on only 1 list). I'm honestly shocked to see no votes for Adele. I was honestly trying to find a way to get her on my list - not that I'm much a fan of her music, but boy... she can make anything enjoyable afaic. Same with Carrie Underwood.
I'm gonna slow roll my list, trying to favour some discussion about others' choices.
Kev... I'm legitimately surprised how low you have Swift. I figure she'd be top 10 for you. And you're only one that voted for her?!?!?
Goose... Kate Bush? Do tell.
Also, :hifive: for Damian Wilson.
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Awesome countdown and thread, Kev! This was a ton of fun.
I had James at 16, right in between Geddy Lee and Geoff Tate all for similar reasons. It’s been some time since James’s voice was a draw for me, but back when I first heard DT it absolutely was. Up until that point I thought Tate was the most amazing singer ever. Then I heard I&W and was sure it was James. What amazing range, but it also just sounded so effortless. I was obsessed with his voice back then. For me, Awake is his peak. Pull up the Youtube video with his isolated vocals from that one. Just astounding. We know what happened after Awake, but I think he still sounded strong even after that for a good while. And while some of the performances after about FII were less memorable for me, he put out at least 3 non-DT albums that I thought were strong (the first two Mullmuzzler albums and Frameshift). I’m glad people weren’t afraid to rank him, because he absolutely deserves to be here even if we’re all biased.
Freddie was also who I expected to win this thing, and if it were “25 greatest singers” rather than “25 favorite singers” I would have included him in my list. While I agree he had an amazing voice, I just don’t like Queen and really don’t listen to him much at all. So he just didn’t really fit the criteria for being on my list. Didn’t make a difference ultimately!
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Considering this is the Dream Theater Forum it’s not surprising to see LaBrie finish this high, though personally I wouldn’t have put him in my top 10.
I expected Freddie to be top three for sure. Very few can match his talent.
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Ok, my list. Keep in mind, I threw this together fairly quickly...
25- Angelina 1/3
24- Ric Emmit
23- Peter Gabriel
22- Maggy Lutyen
21- Ross Jennings
20- Kobi Farhi
19- Spencer Sotelo
18- Saiki
17- Ted Leonard
16- Kala Rose
15- Simone Simons
14- Dennis De Young
13- Dave Davies
12- Riley McShane
11- Steve Hogarth
10- Brad Delp
9- Ashe O'hara
8- Mayu
7- Damien Wilson
6- Roger Daultry
5- Floor Jansen
4- Peter Nichols
3- Fish
2- Freddie Mercury
1- Jon Anderson
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James didn’t make my list but obviously on this forum he’s going to be that high.
Freddie is hard to argue with. Not my number 1 but I think my 3rd.
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I rank James LaBrie #1
I love bands/performers for different reasons. James LaBrie is the reason Dream Theater is my favorıite band, all time fav actually. I gotta admit I don't like DT's music like I used to but it's about their musical direction not James' studio/live works. (I admit his live performance now is controversial) If there is James singing I carry on listening DT no matter what.
We talked about this much but again, prime James is godly and unmatchable. Like many great singers in this list his prime time is short, sadly. But it's amazing his studio works are still delightful and strong unlike others. More than other reasons, James is almost only singer that conveys all emotions full and his voice is distinguishable among other rock/metal singers. Distinctive, warm, emotional and strong voice... I just love him.
I ranked Freddie Mercury #8
I mean it's Freddie Mercury. A big influence for the music. For the obvious reason his prime time was short too but he gave it all to us.
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Tremendous job, Kev. :tup
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Tremendous job, Kev. :tup
Yeah, I gotta echo this. :tup :tup
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Indeed, great job Kev! Although I'm not participating I enjoy following your countdown threads.
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I’m pretty certain about the top 2. One of them doesn’t surprise me. The other, if it is who I think it is, would shock me being this high on the list, despite me being a big fan.
Stupid me totally forgot about Freddy Mercury despite having him on my list. I was legit afraid that Neal Morse would be in the Top 2 :facepalm: Love Neal, but top 2 is too high.
Taylor Swift 7
I demand a recount. #StopTheSteal
Anyway, of course James is gonna be this high. I mean, where are we? Despite his questionable performances nowadays he still was a great singer in his prime and has sung on some of my favorite albums ever.
Freddy Mercury is the singer everybody wants to be.
1. Devin Townsend
2. Peter Gabriel
3. Freddie Mercury
4. Claudio Sanchez
5. Chris Cornell
6. Nick D’Virgillio
7. Ronnie James Dio
8. Geddy Lee
9. Rob Halford
10. Bruce Dickinson
11. Jon Anderson
12. Mike Patton
13. David Longdon
14. Phil Collins
15. Neal Morse
16. John Baizley
17. Maynard James Keenan
18. Neil Fallon
19. David Bowie
20. Adrian Belew
21. James Murphy
22. James LaBrie
23. John Wetton
24. Fish
25. Layne Staley
Great job Kev and thanks for doing this! :tup
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Jingle and I were talking behind the scenes about Morse's placement. Guess even with the fan boys here it wasn't enough for him to show.
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Jingle and I were talking behind the scenes about Morse's placement. Guess even with the fan boys here it wasn't enough for him to show.
I guess it’s more for the music than the vox.
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I had James at #6. I'm glad he rated so highly. Obviously he has had bouts of struggling live but I don't thing Dream Theater is the same without him.
Freddie Mercury did not make my list. I've never listened to Queen outside of the radio. Just never gotten into them. A recent deep dive thanks to DragonAttack's thread has gained me a much higher appreciation into the "band", but I always Freddie Mercury was amazing.
If I included Freddie, then I would've had to include Brad Delp, Dennis DeYoung, and every other great singer out there. I kept my list at those who I actually listen to frequently...er...my favorites.
Here's my list. Bands in parenthesis for the less common names.
25 Mike Howe (Metal Church)
24 Bon Scott
23 Daniel Heiman (Lost Horizon)
22 Joacim Cans (Hammerfall)
21 Rhett Forrester (Riot)
20 Rob Halford
19 Biff Byford (Saxon)
18 Ray Alder
17 Eric Knutson (Flotsam & Jetsam)
16 Steven Tyler
15 James Hetfield
14 Geoff Tate
13 Geddy Lee
12 Matt Smith (Theocracy)
11 Paul Stanley
10 Ozzy Osbourne
9 John Bush (Armored Saint)
8 Bruce Dickinson
7 Gary Moore
6 James Labrie
5 Phil Lynott
4 Alice Cooper
3 Phil Mogg (UFO)
2 Ronnie James Dio
1 Michael Kiske
I was legit afraid that Neal Morse would be in the Top 2 :facepalm: Love Neal, but top 2 is too high.
I mentioned to a few people offline that I considered Neal Morse a Wild Card. I am honestly shocked he didn't make the Top 25.
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Freddie Mercury (#3) - I truly love Freddie and I do thing he is the best vocalist of all the time, no doubt. It just happens that I still like better Geoff Tate and Steve Perry.
James La Brie (#21) - I think he has a truly gifted and versatile voice and has an amazing recorded catalog. But, unfortunately he never totally conviced me on the live environment, even on the Image and Words Live in Tokyo DVD. But I think he was almost perfect on the Octavarium tour.
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Neal Morse not making the list was the big surprise to me (I figured he missed when we got to the top 5). I had him at 9, Kev had him top 5, but I guess some people may be more fans of his music than his singing.
Steve Hogarth was my number 1, and I was sad to not see him rank, but at least he finished above Bono and Fish!
Phil Collins is the other one I thought could make it. But I’m guessing there are relatively few fans of the later Genesis and his solo stuff here.
Here is my top 25, only 5 made the overall top 25.
25. Eric Johnson
24. Ty Tabor
23. Roine Stolt
22. Glen Phillips
21. Billy Corgan
20. Adam Duritz
19. Tim Elsenburg
18. Paddy McAloon
17. Geoff Tate
16. James LaBrie
15. Geddy Lee
14. Mark Hollis
13. Roland Orzabal
12. Neil Finn
11. Eric Martin
10. Ted Leonard
9. Neal Morse
8. Nick D’Virgilio
7. Peter Gabriel
6. Phil Collins
5. Steve Perry
4. David Longdon
3. Kip Winger
2. Paul Buchanan
1. Steve Hogarth
Also, a playlist I put together with each singer if anyone is interested:
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0M4Ar24dUvHQR3g952SXej?si=4d6a3cca2a5c4c40
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Reading through this thread, I realize that many of my 'favorite' singers are far from what you'd call talented...yet, they completely move me as artists.
Thom Yorke, Michael Stipe, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, and Kip Winger would've all made my top 20, and other than Kip, I'll be the first to say that those are some pretty pedestrian vocalists when it comes to talent.
Calling Dylan pedestrian is an understatement. Excellent songwriter, but if we apply common standards by which people usually judge singing voices, he might be the only vocalist giving Yoko-Ono run for her money as the worst singer ever. But I totally get why someone would rank him - in the context of his songs, his voice just works.
Stipe was my n. 8. I actually think he is quite talented, but not in terms of power/range.
Did someone say "Yoko"?
https://youtu.be/ZbGuxGGOIV0
The look on Chuck's face is worth gold.
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That was a great run indeed. Thanks for the hard work, Kev.
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25. Eric Johnson
24. Ty Tabor
23. Roine Stolt
22. Glen Phillips
21. Billy Corgan
20. Adam Duritz
19. Tim Elsenburg
18. Paddy McAloon
17. Geoff Tate
16. James LaBrie
15. Geddy Lee
14. Mark Hollis
13. Roland Orzabal
12. Neil Finn
11. Eric Martin
10. Ted Leonard
9. Neal Morse
8. Nick D’Virgilio
7. Peter Gabriel
6. Phil Collins
5. Steve Perry
4. David Longdon
3. Kip Winger
2. Paul Buchanan
1. Steve Hogarth
I'm pretty sure you're just making names up with a few of these entries. :lol :lol
But I would love to go to the pub with Paddy McAloon.
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Freddie was my No. 3, and James was #21. Though, to be fair, James is one of the two reasons I LOVE Dream Theater. He could have been higher but there were other singers I wanted to celebrate.
My "James" moment(s): Voices, Learning To Live
My "Freddie" moment(s): Funny How Love Is; One Vision, The Show Must Go On (There's really too many, though; the man is a master).
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25. Eric Johnson
24. Ty Tabor
23. Roine Stolt
22. Glen Phillips
21. Billy Corgan
20. Adam Duritz
19. Tim Elsenburg
18. Paddy McAloon
17. Geoff Tate
16. James LaBrie
15. Geddy Lee
14. Mark Hollis
13. Roland Orzabal
12. Neil Finn
11. Eric Martin
10. Ted Leonard
9. Neal Morse
8. Nick D’Virgilio
7. Peter Gabriel
6. Phil Collins
5. Steve Perry
4. David Longdon
3. Kip Winger
2. Paul Buchanan
1. Steve Hogarth
I'm pretty sure you're just making names up with a few of these entries. :lol :lol
But I would love to go to the pub with Paddy McAloon.
Or David Longdong.
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25 Ben Orr
24 Robert Plant
23 Jack Russell
22 Michael Stipe
21 James LaBrie
20 Steve Perry
19 Gordon “Sting” Sumner
18 John Wetton
17 Roger Hodgson
16 Greg Lake
15 Klaus Meine
14 Brad Delp
13 Elton John
12 Johnette Napolitano
11 Paul “Bono” Hewson
10 David Gilmour
9 Waylon Jennings
8 Hank Williams, Jr.
7 Paul McCartney
6 Phil Collins
5 Robin Zander
4 David Coverdale
3 Freddie Mercury
2 Ann Wilson
1 Elvis Presley
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25. Eric Johnson
24. Ty Tabor
23. Roine Stolt
22. Glen Phillips
21. Billy Corgan
20. Adam Duritz
19. Tim Elsenburg
18. Paddy McAloon
17. Geoff Tate
16. James LaBrie
15. Geddy Lee
14. Mark Hollis
13. Roland Orzabal
12. Neil Finn
11. Eric Martin
10. Ted Leonard
9. Neal Morse
8. Nick D’Virgilio
7. Peter Gabriel
6. Phil Collins
5. Steve Perry
4. David Longdon
3. Kip Winger
2. Paul Buchanan
1. Steve Hogarth
I'm pretty sure you're just making names up with a few of these entries. :lol :lol
But I would love to go to the pub with Paddy McAloon.
They're all real! Paddy probably would be good company in the pub. He's an interesting guy for sure.
(https://www.classicpopmag.com/wp-content/webpc-passthru.php?src=https://www.classicpopmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/image-2.jpg&nocache=1)
https://www.loudersound.com/features/paddy-mcaloon-on-prog-rock-and-trawling-the-megahertz
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I think Neal Morse gets "penalized" for his jack of all trades persona. He does so many things well (sing, play, write) that I think it is hard for some to think of him as just a singer. Different area, but I think the same happens with Arjen for example, as I never see him talked about as a great guitar player even though is, simply because he also does so many things so well.
As for being the only voter for Mr. Swift, I was not surprised. She is not a standout singer in the traditional sense, and she is known much more for her songwriting than her singing.
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Cheers to whoever was my partner-in-crime who had Jesse Hasek on their list. :metal
Freddie was my #1. And should have been #1. Nothing need be said. The man was one of the most talented singers to ever grace the Earth.
As for JLB, he was unranked for me. Considering him in his prime alone, which frankly was only about five or six years, the recorded work was amazing. But even then, he didn't replicate live that level of mastery on a consistent basis when he was young, while other guys have and did it longer. So, while I respect him greatly, he fell down my list pretty quickly looking at most everyone I put above him. Could he have made my top-25? Yes. He probably should have. He wasn't far from it. And he's a great singer. But this ranking, I believe, is pretty biased, given that we're on a DT forum. But I expected it to happen, so at least I called it.
But Images & Words and Awake, man...really, just absolute monster vocal performances on those record.
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I think Neal Morse gets "penalized" for his jack of all trades persona. He does so many things well (sing, play, write) that I think it is hard for some to think of him as just a singer. Different area, but I think the same happens with Arjen for example, as I never see him talked about as a great guitar player even though is, simply because he also does so many things so well.
As for being the only voter for Mr. Swift, I was not surprised. She is not a standout singer in the traditional sense, and she is known much more for her songwriting than her singing.
She was just a victim of numbers for me. I'm a "melody" guy, so singers are important to me, and if I do't like a singer - Anthony Keidis, for one, Thom Yorke for another - it's hard for me to like the band.
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Freddie was my #1. And should have been #1. Nothing need be said. The man was one of the most talented singers to ever grace the Earth.
It's not a comment to you, Samsara, just using you as a springboard (I could have used any of about five or six posts), but to further a point made before the countdown started, even FREDDIE looked up to Elvis (he has said he wrote "Crazy Little Thing" as homage to Elvis, following his death). I put Freddie third, only to celebrate Ann Wilson, but in terms of absolute, or objective, Freddie is probably the SECOND greatest rock singer in history. Elvis is still The King. You don't have famous photos of singers meeting Robert Plant, or Freddie Mercury, or Paul McCartney/John Lennon, but there are famous photos of every one of those* meeting ELVIS.
* Freddie never met Elvis, though he did meet Lisa Marie, who gave him one of Elvis' scarves. It was, according to those close to him, one of his most prized possessions.
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Neal Morse - not sure he's "penalized." Frankly, from my standpoint, I just don't think very highly of his singing. He's fine, and a good songwriter for sure. But he didn't even enter my mind. I saw him with Transatlantic, and to be frank, great musician, nothing special vocally.
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I had JLB unranked. Dream Theater is my favorite band, but I didn't rank him.
I had Freddie Mercury at #1.
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re: Elvis - great showman. Average singer. I think his influence on Freddie was in the former.
If we were doing "best singer" instead of "favorite" in the rock genre, I think Freddie Mercury, Ann Wilson and Steve Perry should be 1-3.
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This was fun! Yeah, I had both of those. Pleasantly surprised to see James ranked so high.
Here's my list:
25 Ronnie Dio
24 Layne Staley
23 Gary Cherone
22 Mariah Carey
21 David Coverdale
20 Dave Meniketti
19 Joe Elliott
18 Sharon Den Adel
17 Freddie Mercury
16 Eric Gillette
15 Matt Heafy
14 Neal Morse
13 Ray Alder
12 Devin Townsend
11 Ray Gillen
10 Klaus Meine
9 Bruce Dickinson
8 Michael Sweet
7 Simone Simons
6 Sebastian Bach
5 Steve Perry
4 James LaBrie
3 Russell Allen
2 Floor Jansen
1 Geoff Tate
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Something to consider with Freddie Mercury (and you could say something similar for The Beatles and Nirvanah, etc.) is that while he did have a fairly long career, we didn't get to hear what he sounded like at age 50+ doing the nostalgia circuit. He passed at age 45. Steve Perry was 47 when Trial By Fire was released. Not saying Freddie couldn't have held up longer (and I'm not really familiar with his later career material to know how his voice held up until then), but the lasting memory of him is his heyday, whereas at least some of the impression of Perry, or Tate, or JLB, or Phil Collins is how they sound now.
That's why I decided to emphasize peak in my rankings. Not everybody's careers follow the same path or timeline. For instance, Neal Morse didn't release his first album with Spock's until he was 35. IMO he had a really great voice while he was in Spock's and on those early Transatlantic albums. But by the time The Whirlwind came out he was 49 and it was starting to show a bit. I didn't want the fact that he's released a ton of music over the years where his voice maybe isn't too great to take away too much from how much I enjoyed him in the early days just in terms of my personal rankings.
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Had 10 singers that no one else had:
25. Herman Saming
24. Peter Hammil
23. Doris Brendel
14. Kari Rueslåtten
12. Dalbello
11. Simon Åkesson
10. Steve Broughton
9. Sam Brown
8. Krister Linder
7. Marcela Bovio
I realise that I should have done this much earlier to find the perfect link.... oh well
Herman Saming of A.C.T
Love the guy. Have seen them live 7 times. Great vocalist and great frontman
https://youtu.be/3Br0VsmAvkM
Peter Hammil solo and Van der Graaf Generator
Fantastic lyricist and singer. Have only seen him twice. Both pretty recently once solo and once with VdGG.
https://youtu.be/xDzlocGihOo
Doris Brendel solo and The Violet Hour
She floored me when The Violet hour opened up for Marillion in 93.Flatulist and singer.... they were way better than Marillion on that tour. Sadly they disbanded after it and only made one record. I found out a few years ago that she has been making music the whole time. Someof you have probably seen her supporting Fish and singing backing vocals.
https://youtu.be/la8VTUXGbo8
Kari Rueslåtten of 3rd and the Mortal
The norwegian band 3rd and the Mortal with their progressive doom hooked me when i saw them at a small festival.
https://open.spotify.com/track/6VvP4iaiOoOO9abWWchroR?si=iNKKxkcWRTa8VYUW2eGxkA&utm_source=copy-link
Dalbello
Canadian singer Dalbello who Queensryche cover with Gonna Get Close to You was one of my favorites before that. Sadly she has only a small discography.... but what a discogrsphy
https://youtu.be/1k_EkGXPj0s
Simon Åkesson of Moon Safari
Well no list of fantastic sigers can be complete without the brothers in Moon Safari. I choose Simon to represent them all.
Seen them live only once as support to Fish.... want to see them again
https://youtu.be/EuB48k2CVMY
Steve Broughton of City Boy
Again one singer to represent all singers of a band. These guys are my absolute fvorites and their album The Day The Earth Caught Fire is probably my nr 1 record of all time.
https://youtu.be/f3MrjSyeILg
Sam Brown
What a voice..... she exploded onto the scene with Stop! She has a lot more fantstic albums than that though. She has also been singing backing vocals for Pink Floyd.
Sadly I hsve only seen two songs of her live when she was one of Danny Thompson's friends at the Borderline in London in 91.
https://youtu.be/nUZrOo_dAKU
Krister Linder Grace , Dive solo
I have already shared Captain Nemo by Dive soI will choose the first song I ever heared him sing. Grace with Inga kan älska som vi unfortunateley it's in swedish but shows his vocal abilities.
https://youtu.be/XBSDiBlpJtI
Marcela Bovio Stream of Passion and solo
I guess Marcela needs no introduction she is after all a regular with Ayreon. One of the many fantastic singers Arjen has introduced me to.
https://youtu.be/Z9ZJCs_h9Ws
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Simon Åkesson of Moon Safari
Well no list of fantastic sigers can be complete without the brothers in Moon Safari. I choose Simon to represent them all.
Seen them live only once as support to Fish.... want to see them again
https://youtu.be/EuB48k2CVMY
I love Moon Safari! One issue though is I've never internalized which singers in the band go with which voice. They're all amazing though. Is Simon the one who also performs in the acapella group?
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This is my list.
25- Sebastian Bach
24- Jorn Lande
23- Prince
22- Robert Plant
21- Phil Anselmo
20- Angela Gossow
19- Simone Simons
18- Bruce Dickinson
17- Geoff Tate
16- Anneke Van Giersbergen
15- Lara Fabian
14- Michael Kiske
13- Celine Dion
12- Jennifer Holiday
11- Whitney Houston
10- Ronnie James Dio
9- Sharon Den Adel
8- Freddie Mercury
7- Steve Perry
6- Michael Jackson
5- Hansi Kürsch
4- Eddie Vedder
3- David Bowie
2- Andrea Bocelli
1- James LaBrie
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Something to consider with Freddie Mercury (and you could say something similar for The Beatles and Nirvanah, etc.) is that while he did have a fairly long career, we didn't get to hear what he sounded like at age 50+ doing the nostalgia circuit. He passed at age 45. Steve Perry was 47 when Trial By Fire was released. Not saying Freddie couldn't have held up longer (and I'm not really familiar with his later career material to know how his voice held up until then), but the lasting memory of him is his heyday, whereas at least some of the impression of Perry, or Tate, or JLB, or Phil Collins is how they sound now.
That's why I decided to emphasize peak in my rankings. Not everybody's careers follow the same path or timeline. For instance, Neal Morse didn't release his first album with Spock's until he was 35. IMO he had a really great voice while he was in Spock's and on those early Transatlantic albums. But by the time The Whirlwind came out he was 49 and it was starting to show a bit. I didn't want the fact that he's released a ton of music over the years where his voice maybe isn't too great to take away too much from how much I enjoyed him in the early days just in terms of my personal rankings.
Couple of really good points. I guess my surprise with Morse was that I was kinda expecting 1/2 of this group to maybe put him in the 'teens' in their ranking. Surely not a lot of Top 10s, but the shear quantity, and relatively good quality of his output is what had me thinking that way.
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Had 10 singers that no one else had:
25. Herman Saming
24. Peter Hammil
23. Doris Brendel
14. Kari Rueslåtten
12. Dalbello
11. Simon Åkesson
10. Steve Broughton
9. Sam Brown
8. Krister Linder
7. Marcela Bovio
I don't even have some of those letters on my keyboard. :lol
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Dalbello also sang one song on Alex Lifeson's solo album Victor.
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Had 10 singers that no one else had:
25. Herman Saming
24. Peter Hammil
23. Doris Brendel
14. Kari Rueslåtten
12. Dalbello
11. Simon Åkesson
10. Steve Broughton
9. Sam Brown
8. Krister Linder
7. Marcela Bovio
Marcela is a good call. Sadly she hasn't done much of good quality other than the first SoP album and her Ayreon output, but she has a great voice.
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Simon Åkesson of Moon Safari
Well no list of fantastic sigers can be complete without the brothers in Moon Safari. I choose Simon to represent them all.
Seen them live only once as support to Fish.... want to see them again
https://youtu.be/EuB48k2CVMY
I love Moon Safari! One issue though is I've never internalized which singers in the band go with which voice. They're all amazing though. Is Simon the one who also performs in the acapella group?
As I said he represented thm all for me but yes he is also part of Accent.
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Simon Åkesson of Moon Safari
Well no list of fantastic sigers can be complete without the brothers in Moon Safari. I choose Simon to represent them all.
Seen them live only once as support to Fish.... want to see them again
https://youtu.be/EuB48k2CVMY
I love Moon Safari! One issue though is I've never internalized which singers in the band go with which voice. They're all amazing though. Is Simon the one who also performs in the acapella group?
As I said he represented thm all for me but yes he is also part of Accent.
:tup
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Had 10 singers that no one else had:
25. Herman Saming
24. Peter Hammil
23. Doris Brendel
14. Kari Rueslåtten
12. Dalbello
11. Simon Åkesson
10. Steve Broughton
9. Sam Brown
8. Krister Linder
7. Marcela Bovio
Marcela is a good call. Sadly she hasn't done much of good quality other than the first SoP album and her Ayreon output, but she has a great voice.
I like the complete SoP discography, her solo albums and White HorseDark Horse as well
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Marcela is a good call. Sadly she hasn't done much of good quality other than the first SoP album and her Ayreon output, but she has a great voice.
The bridge in Day 13 on The Human Equation is one of my favorite singing moments ever, but I don't know much by Marcela outside of her work with Arjen (and I have zero interest in symphonic metal).
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Marcela is a good call. Sadly she hasn't done much of good quality other than the first SoP album and her Ayreon output, but she has a great voice.
The bridge in Day 13 on The Human Equation is one of my favorite singing moments ever, but I don't know much by Marcela outside of her work with Arjen (and I have zero interest in symphonic metal).
You could try her solo albums.... those are as far from symphoic metal you can get
https://open.spotify.com/album/4otoDB5YTbs8UimKjrJ8z0?si=1vQ8yCvPTKa-Yf3TDt2FrQ&utm_source=copy-link
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I don't do Spotify, but I will look into her solo albums later when I am home.
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Cool idea...singers that no one else had...
25- Angelina 1/3- Gacharic Spin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmL0V667QzI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmL0V667QzI)
22- Maggy Lutyen - Beautiful Sin, Arjen projects, Beyond the Bridge, Nightmare (shame on you Chad for not listing her)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrbueJOXvms (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrbueJOXvms)
19- Spencer Sotelo- Periphery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99ovz6N6tJI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99ovz6N6tJI)
18- Saiki- BAND-MAID
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbyQCJn6rYg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbyQCJn6rYg)
16- Kala Rose- Saving Escape (funny thing, I meant to put Kayle Reeves, who sings with TSO..Kala is the young lady that did the Pull Me Under cover at 10 years old, she's actually grown into one hell of a singer)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipsf4Xgy-pM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipsf4Xgy-pM)
13- Ray Davies- The Kinks (realized I put brother Dave, as I said, I did this list really quickly lol)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSItDuo8Wss (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSItDuo8Wss)
12- Riley McShane- Allegaeon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFNGAcYibSI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFNGAcYibSI)
9- Ashe O'hara- TesseracT, Voices from the Fuselage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-hnSlicxV4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-hnSlicxV4)
8- Mayu- Nemophila
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19VQ9tkWksQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19VQ9tkWksQ)
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Mine, with the bolded ones that made the cut:
25 Jim Morrison
24 Whitney Houston
23 David Coverdale
22 Robert Plant
21 Sebastian Bach
20 Barry Manilow
19 Pat Benatar
18 Michael Jackson
17 Klaus Meine
16 David Lee Roth
15 James Hetfield
14 John Lennon
13 Geoff Tate
12 James LaBrie
11 Deborah Harry
10 Frank Sinatra
9 Ronnie James Dio
8 George Michael
7 Paul McCartney
6 Bruce Dickinson
5 Rob Halford
4 Russell Allen
3 Barbra Streisand
2 Elvis Presley
1 Ann Wilson
I had about 4 I was debating for #1 but I decided on Ann - flawless technical ability, power, range, and sings everything with emotion and passion. The kicker is she always delivers live as well even up to today. Great job Kev as usual.
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MY top 25
25 Ross Jennings
24 Matt Bellamy
23 Pat Benatar
22 Frank Dimino
21 Greg Lake
20 Jackson Browne
19 Lizzy Hale
18 Steven Tyler Geoff Tate
17 Myles Kennedy
16 Ronnie James Dio
15 Lou Gramm
14 Midge Ure
13 Robert Plant
12 Gary Cherone
11 Bruce Dickenson
10 Paul Rodgers
9 Steve Walsh
8 Dennis DeYoung
7 Paul McCartney
6 Elton John
5 Roger Daltrey
4 Rob Halford
3 Brad Delp
2 Ann Wilson
1 Freddie Mercury :hefdaddy
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Love the band, but JLB didn't sniff my list
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MY top 25
25 Ross Jennings
24 Matt Bellamy
23 Pat Benatar
22 Frank Dimino
21 Greg Lake
20 Jackson Browne
19 Lizzy Hale
18 Steven Tyler Geoff Tate
17 Myles Kennedy
16 Ronnie James Dio
15 Lou Gramm
14 Midge Ure
13 Robert Plant
12 Gary Cherone
11 Bruce Dickenson
10 Paul Rodgers
9 Steve Walsh
8 Dennis DeYoung
7 Paul McCartney
6 Elton John
5 Roger Daltrey
4 Rob Halford
3 Brad Delp
2 Ann Wilson
1 Freddie Mercury :hefdaddy
Ahh, there's the other Ross Jennings vote.
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22- Maggy Lutyen - Beautiful Sin, Arjen projects, Beyond the Bridge, Nightmare (shame on you Chad for not listing her)
Oh.... Maggie. I love her on the Ayreon projects..... should ivestigate other releases
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Not surprising that I'm the only one that rated Johnny Gioelli, David Benoit (Mystery), and Colm Wilkinson. Looks like someone other than Chef and I rated Rik Emmett. And a couple others had Michael Eriksen (Circus Maximus) and Mac :tup
Looking at those that just *missed* the cut, I had 5 or the first 8. Fascinating that Gilmour/Waters were side-by-side in their final rankings. Fascinating how low Lande ranked (Tim's not surprised).
Also, I have to correct myself, I actually had 10 on my list.
1. Russell Allen
2. Damian Wilson
3. Ted Leonard
4. James Labrie
5. Floor Jansen
6. Michael Eriksen
7. Rik Emmett
8. Johnny Gioelli
9. Tommy Karevik
10. Roy Khan
11. Freddie Mercury
12. Robert Plant
13. Tom Englund
14. Geoff Tate
15. Neal Morse
16. Ann Wilson
17. David Benoit
18. Sebastian Bach
19. Steve Perry
20. Dennis DeYoung
21. Dio
22. David Gilmour
23. Colm Wilkinson
24. Bruce Dickinson
25. Andrew McDermott
Goose... If you love Maggi in Ayreson, definitely check out Beautiful Sin. And if you like the sound of her voice, check out Ethernity. I coulda swore it was her singing the first time I heard them
Cheffy.... I do feel a little shame. She finished in the 30s for me. Sorry - I just don't like her work in Nightmare.
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Whatever....
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Not surprising that I'm the only one that rated Johnny Gioelli, David Benoit (Mystery), and Colm Wilkinson. Looks like someone other than Chef and I rated Rik Emmett. And a couple others had Michael Eriksen (Circus Maximus) and Mac :tup
Looking at those that just *missed* the cut, I had 5 or the first 8. Fascinating that Gilmour/Waters were side-by-side in their final rankings. Fascinating how low Lande ranked (Tim's not surprised).
Also, I have to correct myself, I actually had 10 on my list.
1. Russell Allen
2. Damian Wilson
3. Ted Leonard
4. James Labrie
5. Floor Jansen
6. Michael Eriksen
7. Rik Emmett
8. Johnny Gioelli
9. Tommy Karevik
10. Roy Khan
11. Freddie Mercury
12. Robert Plant
13. Tom Englund
14. Geoff Tate
15. Neal Morse
16. Ann Wilson
17. David Benoit
18. Sebastian Bach
19. Steve Perry
20. Dennis DeYoung
21. Dio
22. David Gilmour
23. Colm Wilkinson
24. Bruce Dickinson
25. Andrew McDermott
Goose... If you love Maggi in Ayreson, definitely check out Beautiful Sin. And if you like the sound of her voice, check out Ethernity. I coulda swore it was her singing the first time I heard them
Cheffy.... I do feel a little shame. She finished in the 30s for me. Sorry - I just don't like her work in Nightmare.
I also had Michael Eriksen on my list and Rik Emmit jus missed. I'll post my full list when I get home.
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02 James LaBrie
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01 Freddie Mercury
Say what you want about James Labrie's recent live struggles, his performance on 14 DT studio albums over the past 30+ years is unparalleled. I had him at #6.
Sadly, Mercury was the guy I completely botched and forgot to include in my rankings. I realized within hours after submitting my list. Looking at my list, I'm guessing he'd have ended up in the high teens. His abilities are second to none, but I'm just not a huge fan of Queen, so he likely wouldn't crack the top 10 of my FAVORITES. A very worthy #1, though.
My complete list:
25. Ian Gillan
24. Gwen Stefani
23. David Coverdale
22. James Hetfield
21. Steve Perry
20. Tommy Shaw
19. Klaus Meine
18. Amy Lee
17. Joey Belladonna
16. Robert Plant
15. Brad Delp
14. Phil Mogg
13. Geddy Lee
12. Pat Benatar
11. Ann Wilson
10. Michael Kiske
9. Steve Walsh
8. Rob Halford
7. Geoff Tate
6. James LaBrie
5. Ronnie James Dio
4. Bruce Dickinson
3. Rik Emmett
2. Jon Anderson
1. Ray Alder
Seriously bummed that Rik Emmett and Phil Mogg didn't crack the consensus top 25. Phil at #55 is an insult (looks like Tim and I accounted for 35 or his 54 points), while Rik at #69 (with more than half of his points coming from me)? Triumph is just criminally underrated. Also a little surprised that James Hetfield didn't crack the top 25 and downright shocked that George Harrison garnered only 1 point.
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Mine, with the bolded ones that made the cut:
25 Jim Morrison
24 Whitney Houston
23 David Coverdale
22 Robert Plant
21 Sebastian Bach
20 Barry Manilow
19 Pat Benatar
18 Michael Jackson
17 Klaus Meine
16 David Lee Roth
15 James Hetfield
14 John Lennon
13 Geoff Tate
12 James LaBrie
11 Deborah Harry
10 Frank Sinatra
9 Ronnie James Dio
8 George Michael
7 Paul McCartney
6 Bruce Dickinson
5 Rob Halford
4 Russell Allen
3 Barbra Streisand
2 Elvis Presley
1 Ann Wilson
I had about 4 I was debating for #1 but I decided on Ann - flawless technical ability, power, range, and sings everything with emotion and passion. The kicker is she always delivers live as well even up to today. Great job Kev as usual.
We didn't have a ton of overlap, and for every real hit (Ann, Elvis) there's a miss (Russell) but overall that's a really solid list, right there. Hard to argue with Frank, Klaus, Debbie, Pat...
I don't get any personal satisfaction from other people's lists, but if I did, it would be at the frequency that David Coverdale is showing up. Mock his Whitesnake nonsense all you want, but his voice on the Starkers In Tokyo set (and the later acoustic set with Doug Aldrich) is enough alone to get him on the list. Find "Don't Fade Away" from that performance; it's amazing.
EDIT: Here's the audio (https://youtu.be/6SYTqYgHnkU). There's video too, but I didn't see it outside of the complete show.
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Pleasantly surprised to see Klause Meine show up on a few lists.
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Top 2? Milli and Vanilli, respectively.
:lol :lol :lol
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Huge thanks to kev for doing this!!!! And a personal thanks from........
(https://townsquare.media/site/295/files/2019/04/stanley.jpg?w=1200&h=0&zc=1&s=0&a=t&q=89)
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Here's my list. As I said, I can do a separate list for metal singers but a few are here.
25) Bruce Dickinson.
24) Rob Halford.
23) Paul Shortino.
22) Robert Plant.
21) Timothy Schmit.
20) Steve Lukather.
19) Kerry Livgren.
18) David Coverdale.
17) Todd Rundgren.
16) KD Lang.
15) Amy Winehouse.
14) Gerry Rafferty.
13) Brad Delp.
12) Barbara Streisand.
11) Don Henley.
10) Daryl Hall.
9) John Lennon.
8) David Pack.
7) Michael McDonald.
6) Stevie Wonder.
5) Phil Lynott.
4) Steve Perry.
3) Stevie Nicks.
2) Lou Gramm.
1) Paul Stanley.
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Good call with Darryl Hall; he should've been on my list too. Another miss.
Have I ever heard Steve Lukather sing?
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My list;
25. Tony Martin
24. Eddie Vedder
23. Tobias Sammet
22. Timo Kotipelto
21. Russel Allen
20. Maynard James Keenan
19. Lord Tim
18. Jorn Lande
17. Jeff Martin
16. Christian Alvestam
15. Ray Alder
14. Gary Moore
13. Jon Oliva
12. Matt Heafy
11. Geoff Tate
10. Michael Kiske
9. Ronnie James Dio
8. King Diamond
7. Bjorn Strid
6. Andi Deris
5. Rob Halford
4. Tom Englund
3. Blackie Lawless
2. James Labrie
1. Bruce Dickinson
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Pleasantly surprised to see Klause Meine show up on a few lists.
:facepalm: Forgot about him completely, otherwise, he would have been on mine too. Love his vocals, despite not being much of a Scorpions fan.
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My list:
25. Darius Rucker
24. Jesse Hasek
23. Matt Barlow
22. John Bush
21. Gary Cherone
20. Warrel Dane
19. Sebastian Bach
18. Robert Plant
17. James Michael
16. Brittney Slayes
15. Billy Joel
14. Russell Allen
13. Ann Wilson
12. Bruce Dickinson
11. Layne Staley
10. Ronnie James Dio
9. Ray Alder
8. Chris Cornell
7. Michael Kiske
6. Freddie Mercury
5. Glenn Hughes
4. Corey Glover
3. Myles Kennedy
2. Steve Perry
1. Geoff Tate
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My list:
25. Darius Rucker
24. Jesse Hasek
23. Matt Barlow
22. John Bush
21. Gary Cherone
20. Warrel Dane
19. Sebastian Bach
18. Robert Plant
17. James Michael
16. Brittney Slayes
15. Billy Joel
14. Russell Allen
13. Ann Wilson
12. Bruce Dickinson
11. Layne Staley
10. Ronnie James Dio
9. Ray Alder
8. Chris Cornell
7. Michael Kiske
6. Freddie Mercury
5. Glenn Hughes
4. Corey Glover
3. Myles Kennedy
2. Steve Perry
1. Geoff Tate
Darius Rucker has a great voice!
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Good call with Darryl Hall; he should've been on my list too. Another miss.
Have I ever heard Steve Lukather sing?
I'll Be Over You.
I Will Remember
How Many Times
Georgy Porgy
99
I Won't You Back
Also the verses in Rosanna.
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Pleasantly surprised to see Klause Meine show up on a few lists.
I couldn't leave him off of mine. That guy was SUCH a beast on vocals for so long. Incredible range and power. And for the longest time, we could absolutely replicate it live as well.
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Love the band, but JLB didn't sniff my list
Sounds like you need to see your ear, nose and throat doctor.
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I think Neal Morse gets "penalized" for his jack of all trades persona. He does so many things well (sing, play, write) that I think it is hard for some to think of him as just a singer. Different area, but I think the same happens with Arjen for example, as I never see him talked about as a great guitar player even though is, simply because he also does so many things so well.
As for being the only voter for Mr. Swift, I was not surprised. She is not a standout singer in the traditional sense, and she is known much more for her songwriting than her singing.
I would argue that Arjen's guitar playing and Neal's singing falls into good-but-not-great category. So I don't think he is penalized. There are other jacks of all trades in the Top 25 - Devin, Daniel, Einar, Geddy and, to some extent, Freddie - these would be recognized standout vocalists - regardless of whether their vocals are to one's taste - even if they never wrote a song or played any instrument.
Anyway, thanks for the great job with this countdown. This one has been most fun so far - but I can't really imagine what a chore it must have been to enter all 300-400 different singers.... :tup
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My list
25. Shirley Manson
24. Glenn Hughes
23. Ann Wilson
22. Chris Cornell
21. Rob Halford
20. Matt Bellamy
19. Phil Lynott
18. Jeff Buckley
17. Mark Lanegan
16. Damien Wilson
15. Bob Catley
14. Bruce Dickinson
13. James Labrie
12. Robert Plant
11. Phil Mogg
10. Bono
9. Mike Patton
8. Tarja Turnanen
7. Tony Martin
6. Freddie Mercury
5. Ronnie James Dio
4. Michael Kiske
3. Sean Harris
2. Klaus Meine
1. Geoff Tate
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Mogg/Lynott/Kiske!!!!
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@KevSchmev, I think you mixed up my #3 & #4 and gave them the last name of #3.
I tried to like JLB for a long time. He's best on Awake, and then on Elements of Persuasion and some of his work with Ayreon. Lots of talent, but just not a vocal timbre that generally appeals to me.
Mercury is amazing, and on my honorable mentions list.
I want to post more extensive writeups for each later, but I don't have time to fix all the formatting right now, so here's the basic list, and a sample writeup for my top favorite singer, since she's only on my list, but won me a roulette round.
25: Cammie Gilbert (Oceans of Slumber)
24: Susan Tedeschi (Tedeschi Trucks Band)
23: Jorn Lande (Ark)
22: Jonas Renkse (Katatonia)
21: Anneke van Giersbergen (The Gathering)
20: Ruth Moody (The Wailin' Jennys)
19: Lajon Witherspoon (Sevendust)
18: Steve Shannon (Idle Cure)
17: Sheila Chandra (Monsoon)
16: Matt Barlow (Iced Earth)
15: Tomi Joutsen (Amorphis)
14: Heike Langhans (Draconian)
13: Nienke de Jong (Autumn)
12: Fiora
11: Daniel Tompkins (TesseracT)
10: Julianne Regan (All About Eve)
9: Sara Gazarek
8: Chelsea Wolfe
7: Tinna Karlsdotter (All Ends)
6: Christian Alvestam (Scar Symmetry)
5: Dan Swano (Nightingale)
4: Aleksandra Djelmas (Destiny Potato)
3: Judith Rijnveld (Kingfisher Sky)
2: Mikael Akerfeldt (Opeth)
1: Marjan Welman (Autumn)
Honorable mentions - Aleksandra Radosavljevic, Beth Hart, Bob Carlisle, Brooke Fraser, Charlotte Wessels, Damian Wilson, Dave Gahan, Devin Townsend, Emma Ruth Rundle, Floor Jansen, Francesa Battistelli, Freddie Mercury, Heather Findlay, Johanna DePierre, Kate Havnevik, Katharine McPhee, Klaus Meine, Manda Ophuis, Marissa Nadler, Peter Steele, Rick Florian, Russell Allen, Sade, Sarah McLachlan, Speed Strid, Warrel Dane
1: Marjan Welman
Bands - Autumn, Vetrar Draugurinn, Demiurg, others
Guest appearances - Ayreon, Demons & Wizards, Blind Guardian, others
From - the Netherlands
Other song highlights - Autumn "Liquid Under Film Noir", Vetrar Draugurinn "Reynisfjara", Demiurg "Cold Skin"
The only band to have two separate vocalists on my list, both were perfect for their eras. Marjan has one of the most pure and elegant voices I've ever heard. There isn't a particular trick or gimmick that she relies on, her voice just sounds perfect and effortless over anything she sings over, whether it's proggy atmospheric rock, doom metal, backing up power metal legends, or somehow not sounding out of place on a Swedish death metal album. Her voice is just that versatile, like a super-Anneke, who she was inspired by, and missed touring with by two years.
Listening:
Autumn - "Phantom Limb"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAI0GOJ9-QY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAI0GOJ9-QY)
In Action:
Autumn - "The Heart Demands"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBTI2reG3wM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBTI2reG3wM)
Bonus cuts:
Her rendition with Arjen Anthony Lucassen of the iconic "Valley of the Queens" from Ayreon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrrUgPqOLvc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrrUgPqOLvc)
Marjan's rawer live version of a Nienke-Autumn era classic shortly after joining the band.
Autumn - "Satellites"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBnIS1TjuJ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBnIS1TjuJ4)
Even better live a dozen years later in her other main band.
Vetrar Draugurinn - "The Observer"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPHudZibgGU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPHudZibgGU)
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Good call on Cammie, she's awesome. :tup
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Nice to see a few shout outs for Matt Barlow.
Dude just has an insane voice. Wish he picked better bands haha.
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My list;
25. Tony Martin
24. Eddie Vedder
23. Tobias Sammet
22. Timo Kotipelto
21. Russel Allen
20. Maynard James Keenan
19. Lord Tim
18. Jorn Lande
17. Jeff Martin
16. Christian Alvestam
15. Ray Alder
14. Gary Moore
13. Jon Oliva
12. Matt Heafy
11. Geoff Tate
10. Michael Kiske
9. Ronnie James Dio
8. King Diamond
7. Bjorn Strid
6. Andi Deris
5. Rob Halford
4. Tom Englund
3. Blackie Lawless
2. James Labrie
1. Bruce Dickinson
Also had Matt Heafy, and should've guessed it was you who had King Diamond!
Good call on Cammie, she's awesome. :tup
She really is
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These were the other singers I put down on my “long list” for consideration but who didn’t make my top 25 list. Not necessarily in order, but Vedder and Pinnick were in and out of my early drafts.
- Eddie Vedder
- Doug Pinnick
- Hannah Stobart
- Kate Bush
- Anthonie Tonnon
- Bono
- Robin Wilson
- Gary Cherone
- Sammy Hagar
- Steve Winwood
- Jon Anderson
- Fish
- Gotye
- Kevin Gilbert
- Natalie Merchant
- Tim Bowness
- Michael Stipe
- Sebastian Bach
- Chris Cornell
- Richie Kotzen
- Don Dokken
- Bruce Hornsby
- John Wetton
- Dave Matthews
- Andy Partridge
- Darius Rucker
- Paula Cole
- Oleta Adams
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Reading through this thread, I realize that many of my 'favorite' singers are far from what you'd call talented...yet, they completely move me as artists.
Thom Yorke, Michael Stipe, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, and Kip Winger would've all made my top 20, and other than Kip, I'll be the first to say that those are some pretty pedestrian vocalists when it comes to talent.
Calling Dylan pedestrian is an understatement. Excellent songwriter, but if we apply common standards by which people usually judge singing voices, he might be the only vocalist giving Yoko-Ono run for her money as the worst singer ever. But I totally get why someone would rank him - in the context of his songs, his voice just works.
Stipe was my n. 8. I actually think he is quite talented, but not in terms of power/range.
Did someone say "Yoko"?
https://youtu.be/ZbGuxGGOIV0
The look on Chuck's face is worth gold.
;D I should walk back my Dylan-Yoko comparison. There is no place in the universe for even one more Yoko-Ono-level-of quality singer....
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Good call with Darryl Hall; he should've been on my list too. Another miss.
Have I ever heard Steve Lukather sing?
I'll Be Over You.
I Will Remember
How Many Times
Georgy Porgy
99
I Won't You Back
Also the verses in Rosanna.
I did NOT know that! Thank you.
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Mogg/Lynott/Kiske!!!!
Manson, Hughes, and Tony Martin!!! :)
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I just finished reading Glenn Hughes' autobiography a couple of weeks ago.
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Love the band, but JLB didn't sniff my list
Sounds like you need to see your ear, nose and throat doctor.
;) :tup
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James Labrie. N. 5 for me. His early performances of The Killing Hand give me the same sense of awe as listening to young Luciano Pavarotti singing Ingemisco. Very, very few voices with this level of beauty and richness in harmonics - a bit like Stradivari violin compared to a normal instrument. His Awake performance is my favorite metal singing ever. Sadly, his potential as a vocalist was never fully realized. Too much touring, pushing his voice in the heat of a moment, suboptimal coaching and the bandmates who couldn't write more singer-friendly material to save their lives. JLB gets some flak for having short prime and being inconsistent live but what he had to do was more demanding than anything any other singer in the Top 25 had to sing. And he joined DT at the age when many sigers already have a couple of records and tours under their belt.
Freddie Mercury. N.3. I didn't think anyone would defeat JLB in this countdown - after all, this was his home turf - but when I thought of Freddie, I wasn't so confident in my prediction. Like for, I guess, most people here, Queen are just a mild favorite for me but Freddie Mercury is... simply the greatest rock singer ever. I believe he will be remembered as one of the greatest singers of 20th century across the genres, along with Pavarotti, Sinatra, Elvis and a handful of others.
My list:
25.James Hetfield
24.David Bowie
23.Steve Walsh
22.Jon Oliva
21.Zachary Stevens
20.Ian Anderson
19.Jon Anderson
18.Greg Lake
17.Mikael Akerfeldt
16.Hansi Kursch
15.Myles Kennedy
14.Peter Gabriel
13.Annie Haslam
12.Cat Stevens
11.Fish
10.David Gilmour
9.Art Garfunkel
8.Michael Stipe
7.Loreena McKennit
6.Geoff Tate
5.James Labrie
4.Dolores O'Riordan
3.Freddie Mercury
2.Einar Solberg
1.Daniel Gildenlöw
Some singers I was surprised didn't make the countdown: Myles Kennedy, Fish, James Hetfield, David Gilmour
Some singers I was happy to see ranked by others: Jon Oliva, Greg Lake, Michael Stipe
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Mogg/Lynott/Kiske!!!!
Manson, Hughes, and Tony Martin!!! :)
Yay, me :biggrin:
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Mogg/Lynott/Kiske!!!!
Manson, Hughes, and Tony Martin!!! :)
Love his tone, so smooth.
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My list:
25. Michael Kiske
24. Rob Halford
23. Myles Kennedy
22. Phil Mogg
21. James LaBrie
20. Robert Plant
19. Steve Walsh
18. Ann Wilson
17. Klaus Meine
16. Matt Bellamy
15. Björn Strid
14. Lzzy Hale
13. Ian Gillan
12. Glenn Hughes
11. Russel Allen
10. Ray Alder
9. Daniel Gildenlöw
8. Paul Stanley
7. Dio
6. David Coverdale
5. Corey Glover
4. Bruce Dickinson
3. Fred Mercury
2. Steve Perry
1. Geoff Tate
I really think everyone here is great. Kiske and Rob I placed in the last spots just because, although both are amazing in what they do, I wish I could hear more diversity in their style.
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Also had Matt Heafy
You probably missed it, but I had him at #15 on mine. And my list is VERY light on screamers and growlers. But Matt has SUCH a wide palette of techniques he uses, and I think he sounds really good on most of them. I also give him a lot of credit for how much work he has put into learning how to sing correctly after discovering that the way he was singing was doing damage, even to the point of temporarily deciding not to do that style of singing at all and to eliminate songs that used it from the band's repertoire if that's what it took. He takes his craft VERY seriously, and he takes his commitment to the fans very seriously, and I just love that. Very thankful I discovered him as a singer and his band when they opened for DT so many years ago.
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I really think everyone here is great. Kiske and Rob I placed in the last spots just because, although both are amazing in what they do, I wish I could hear more diversity in their style.
Have you heard the Supared album with Kiske? Readiness For Sacrifice?
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My list:
25. Michael Kiske
24. Rob Halford
23. Myles Kennedy
22. Phil Mogg
21. James LaBrie
20. Robert Plant
19. Steve Walsh
18. Ann Wilson
17. Klaus Meine
16. Matt Bellamy
15. Björn Strid
14. Lzzy Hale
13. Ian Gillan
12. Glenn Hughes
11. Russel Allen
10. Ray Alder
9. Daniel Gildenlöw
8. Paul Stanley
7. Dio
6. David Coverdale
5. Corey Glover
4. Bruce Dickinson
3. Fred Mercury
2. Steve Perry
1. Geoff Tate
I really think everyone here is great. Kiske and Rob I placed in the last spots just because, although both are amazing in what they do, I wish I could hear more diversity in their style.
Niiiiice!!!! :)
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Why no Lou Gramm love? He's one of the best ever. ???
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Yeah, he's even hot blooded.
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We've been waiting for a joke like that.
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Well, I'm a joke box hero.
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We've been waiting for a joke like that.
You're As Cold As Ice! :lol
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Enough of these head games.
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Enough of these head games.
I was just going to post exactly what you did! :lol :lol :lol
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We've been waiting for a joke like that.
But kev, does it feel like the first time you dirty white boy! :biggrin:
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Glasser beat me to the last Foreigner songs that anyone knows.
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Glasser beat me to the last Foreigner songs that anyone knows.
Really? I may have Double vision But I wanna know what love is.
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Glasser beat me to the last Foreigner songs that anyone knows.
Really? I may have Double vision But I wanna know what love is.
OK, now you've drained the tank!
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This thread is a long, long way from where it began.
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:lol :lol :lol
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This thread is a long, long way from where it began.
Now is that a Foreigner reference, or are you just cracking the whip to get us back on topic? :biggrin:
Nothing against Lou Gramm or Foreigner BTW, I was just mad that I couldn't think of any other songs to keep the puns flowing.
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Nope its Still going ..... Long, long way from home! :biggrin:
https://youtu.be/vMbP5woz7S8
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Nope its Still going ..... Long, long way from home! :biggrin:
https://youtu.be/vMbP5woz7S8
Oh, I actually do know that song!
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Here's mine. Top two finishers were no surprise. One thing that did surprise me is that Art Garfunkel got vote(s) while Paul Simon (who almost made my list) got none. Thanks for puttin' this on, Kev!
25 Belinda Carlisle
24 Richie Kotzen
23 Sting
22 John Lennon
21 Dug Pinnick
20 Steve Perry
19 Tommy Giles Rogers
18 James LaBrie
17 Bruce Dickinson
16 Nick D'Virgilio
15 Randy Blythe
14 Sammy Hagar
13 Michael Jackson
12 Les Claypool
11 "Weird Al" Yankovic
10 Freddie Mercury
9 Troy Sanders
8 Geddy Lee
7 Eric Martin
6 Robert Plant
5 Chris Cornell
4 Dave Pirner
3 Mike Patton
2 Layne Staley
1 Corey Glover
Looks like I was the unique voter for NINE artists. Pirner (Soul Asylum), Sanders (Mastodon), Yankovic, Claypool, Blythe (Lamb of God), Giles-Rogers, Pinnick (Really surprised with that one), Kotzen, Carlisle.
Yes I have an odd taste in music.
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My list:
4. Corey Glover
Cool to see more appreciation for Corey. LC's back in the studio! Hope this one doesn't get stalled out like Shade did.
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My list:
25. Tori Amos
24. Freddie Mercury
23. Shirley Manson
22. Grace Slick
21. Leonard Cohen
20. Dusty Springfield
19. Noel Gallagher
18. Floor Jansen
17. Madonna
16. Lindsey Buckingham
15. Paul McCartney
14. Meat Loaf
13. Bono
12. Roger Daltry
11. David Gilmour
10. Debbie Harry
9. Kate Bush
8. Morrissey
7. Peter Gabriel
6. Maynard James Keenan
5. Michael Stipe
4. Stevie Knicks
3. Phil Collins
2. Elliott Smith
1. Mark Knopfler
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11. Eric Martin
8. Nick D’Virgilio
3. Kip Winger
Nice list, HOF. Also good points re: focusing on the singer's peak. Were you the only to vote for Kip? He almost made mine.
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16 Eric Gillette
Very nice to see him get some representation. His vocal performance on Long Day Reprise at the end of Similitude of a Dream is spine-chilling. Such an all-round talented musician.
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My list:
25. Tori Amos
24. Freddie Mercury
23. Shirley Manson
22. Grace Slick
21. Leonard Cohen
20. Dusty Springfield
19. Noel Gallagher
18. Floor Jansen
17. Madonna
16. Lindsey Buckingham
15. Paul McCartney
14. Meat Loaf
13. Bono
12. Roger Daltry
11. David Gilmour
10. Debbie Harry
9. Kate Bush
8. Morrissey
7. Peter Gabriel
6. Maynard James Keenan
5. Michael Stipe
4. Stevie Knicks
3. Phil Collins
2. Elliott Smith
1. Mark Knopfler
Awesome, another Debbie Harry vote.
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11. Eric Martin
8. Nick D’Virgilio
3. Kip Winger
Nice list, HOF. Also good points re: focusing on the singer's peak. Were you the only to vote for Kip? He almost made mine.
He was on at least one other. Think he had a point total in the 30s. Also think Eric Martin got more support than just me. And Nick tied with Michael Jackson, so that’s cool!
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James Labrie - unranked. I want to say I am surprise James ranked this high but I guess I should have known that would be the case. Images and Words is a top 5 album all time for me and I absolutely love his vocal performance on that album. Since that time though James has been very hit and miss for me. Some album performances are better than others and as for his live performance, well I am not sure he ever really had it. I also think he is a very poor frontman with zero charisma but that is probably just me.
Freddie Mercury - my number 14 and not at all surprised Freddie finished this high. Well deserved!
Kev - thanks as always for running this countdown.
I have participated in every one of these type of countdowns apart from the very first one (top 100 DT songs) and I have really enjoyed them all but I think this one was the least enjoyable. I think it was because of the total diversity in everyone's individual lists and opinions which created infinite possibilities and made this one a little strange.
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This was my first time participating in this kind of countdown, and I thought it was fantastic - particularly BECAUSE of the diversity.
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This was my first time participating in this kind of countdown, and I thought it was fantastic - particularly BECAUSE of the diversity.
Agreed..... loved the diversity and found it interresting that sp many were actually on multiple list
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LZ is the next songs countdown, but while I am sure some would want to do instrumentalists next for this type of thing (although I think guitarists would be fairly predictable - gee, I wonder who number 1 would be? :lol), I was thinking of doing favorite lyricists. I think that is one that could be really fun and interesting. Thoughts?
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I can't commit to a lyricist one. I don't know how deep in a list I could go. I think that would have a fairly predictable outcome as well, at least for #1.
Obviously Paul Stanley!
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Not really a Led Zppelin fan so I can't cotribute to that but I would give a shot to lyricists.
I think I know who my number 1 would be at least
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I really think everyone here is great. Kiske and Rob I placed in the last spots just because, although both are amazing in what they do, I wish I could hear more diversity in their style.
Have you heard the Supared album with Kiske? Readiness For Sacrifice?
Hi Tim!
No, I haven't. But now I'm curious about it. I'll check it, thanks!
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Mine, with the bolded ones that made the cut:
25 Jim Morrison
24 Whitney Houston
23 David Coverdale
22 Robert Plant
21 Sebastian Bach
20 Barry Manilow
19 Pat Benatar
18 Michael Jackson
17 Klaus Meine
16 David Lee Roth
15 James Hetfield
14 John Lennon
13 Geoff Tate
12 James LaBrie
11 Deborah Harry
10 Frank Sinatra
9 Ronnie James Dio
8 George Michael
7 Paul McCartney
6 Bruce Dickinson
5 Rob Halford
4 Russell Allen
3 Barbra Streisand
2 Elvis Presley
1 Ann Wilson
I had about 4 I was debating for #1 but I decided on Ann - flawless technical ability, power, range, and sings everything with emotion and passion. The kicker is she always delivers live as well even up to today. Great job Kev as usual.
We didn't have a ton of overlap, and for every real hit (Ann, Elvis) there's a miss (Russell) but overall that's a really solid list, right there. Hard to argue with Frank, Klaus, Debbie, Pat...
I don't get any personal satisfaction from other people's lists, but if I did, it would be at the frequency that David Coverdale is showing up. Mock his Whitesnake nonsense all you want, but his voice on the Starkers In Tokyo set (and the later acoustic set with Doug Aldrich) is enough alone to get him on the list. Find "Don't Fade Away" from that performance; it's amazing.
EDIT: Here's the audio (https://youtu.be/6SYTqYgHnkU). There's video too, but I didn't see it outside of the complete show.
Thanks. To a casual observer it might look like a Most Famous list, but that wasn’t my approach. Most of the people on the list are famous BECAUSE they are monster vocalists, not the other way around. I listen to all of them, with Whitney Houston being maybe the lone exception but you can’t deny her ability. Probably should have swapped her out with Daryl Hall or Olivia Newton-John. I don’t know, too many choices.
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I really think everyone here is great. Kiske and Rob I placed in the last spots just because, although both are amazing in what they do, I wish I could hear more diversity in their style.
Have you heard the Supared album with Kiske? Readiness For Sacrifice?
Hi Tim!
No, I haven't. But now I'm curious about it. I'll check it, thanks!
I assume you're familiar with Instant Clarity, is first solo album. A lot of that is heavy, heck even has Kai Hansen and Adrian Smith on a few tunes.
Readiness For Sacrifice is a whole 'nother animal. It's his second solo album, but the hard rock has disappeared. A couple of tracks, Shadowfights and Easy contain major vocal gymnastics, but most of the songs are pretty straightforward and quite basic, and he doesn't really use his high register at all.
Supared was a band format, and it's just the one self titled album. A bit more exciting that RTS, but nowhere near hard rock. I actually really like the Supared album.
The other thing I'd recommend is Part In Different Ways. It's a collection of Helloween songs done acoustically. I think he has a new song or two on it, but it has some interesting choices and is really cool.
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I can't commit to a lyricist one. I don't know how deep in a list I could go. I think that would have a fairly predictable outcome as well, at least for #1.
Same... I don't really pay strict attention to who the lyricists are on any given album/song.
I'd certainly be down for the instrumentalists. Guitar ... I'd gather JP would be top 2, but I certainly wouldn't bet a paycheque he'd be #1. Drummers on the other hand.... everyone would be playing for 2nd place. I'd bet lonestar's salary, car, and knife collection on that.
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I can't commit to a lyricist one. I don't know how deep in a list I could go. I think that would have a fairly predictable outcome as well, at least for #1.
Same... I don't really pay strict attention to who the lyricists are on any given album/song.
I'd certainly be down for the instrumentalists. Guitar ... I'd gather JP would be top 2, but I certainly wouldn't bet a paycheque he'd be #1. Drummers on the other hand.... everyone would be playing for 2nd place. I'd bet lonestar's salary, car, and knife collection on that.
Nice turn of the table.
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I can't commit to a lyricist one. I don't know how deep in a list I could go. I think that would have a fairly predictable outcome as well, at least for #1.
Obviously Paul Stanley!
(https://imgpile.com/images/bHpRnL.jpg)
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LZ is the next songs countdown, but while I am sure some would want to do instrumentalists next for this type of thing (although I think guitarists would be fairly predictable - gee, I wonder who number 1 would be? :lol), I was thinking of doing favorite lyricists. I think that is one that could be really fun and interesting. Thoughts?
I'd be in for both lyricists and guitarist. I agree that n. 1 guitarist would be rather predictable but battle for other spots might be fun (n.1 in Maiden countdown was also easy to predict but it didn't really spoil the enjoyment).
With lyricists, IMO, you would get a lot more diversity and unpredictability - I think people with sufficient interest in lyrics to participate are also more likely to draw from much larger pool of lyricists than just prog/rock/metal. So you might be getting yourself into even worse mess when tallying the lists than with singers. But if you are ready for some self-punishment, lyricists would be extremely interesting.
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I don't have any interest in a lyricist one, but guitars would be cool. It's a given who one of the top contenders will be, but just like this one, but are we really so sure he'd win? I didn't expect JLB to not be the top entry, but I probably just haven't been around enough.
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I think lyrics would be tough, in part because it’s not always clear in a band setting who wrote what lyrics. I also think guitarists would be fun and probably about as diverse as the singers countdown. Same with drums, bass, keyboards (not sure there’d be enough participation in that one).
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I'd be down for a guitarist/drummer one for sure
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My list - I had more than I thought I would:
25 Michelle Luppi
24 Tony Kakko
23 Roberto Tiranti
22 Damian Wilson
21 Erik Rosvold
20 Arno Menses
19 Chris Cornell
18 Jon V.
17 Tom Englund
16 Hubi Meisel
15 Bruce Dickinson
14 Andre Matos
13 Roy Khan
12 Edu Falaschi
11 Andy Kuntz
10 Mariusz Duda
9 Glynn Morgan
8 Layne Staley
7 Geddy Lee
6 Ray Alder
5 Einar Solberg
4 Andrew McDermott
3 Simen Hestnæs (ICS Vortex)
2 James LaBrie
1 Jonas Renkse
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25 Michelle Luppi
This guy is amazing!
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25 Michelle Luppi
This guy is amazing!
Yeah! I didn't care him on the rerecorded Secret Sphere album, but I love his stuff with Vision Divine.
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25 Michelle Luppi
This guy is amazing!
Yeah! I didn't care him on the rerecorded Secret Sphere album, but I love his stuff with Vision Divine.
Stream Of Consciousness is an incredible album. He used to be my pick in the old "Who would you replace JLB with if he left..?" threads.
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I just saw my #1 singer live and he was awesome (as the whole band was). :)
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Thanks for running this Kev very cool as always!
Had Freddie at #12 was my pick for favorite too, well deserved.
Had James at #28
My biggest surprise was not seeing Coverdale make the list!?
My List; I originally worked towards a list of 50 hence why only just made the deadline LOL but here they are (maybe a couple there only my Aussie comrades will know?)...
40. Ian Astbury
39. Joey Tempest
38. Louie Merlino
37. Tom Englund
36. Zak Stevens
35. Floor Jansen
34. Bernard Fanning
33. Nils K. Rue
32. Andy McLean
31. Pink
30. Nick Holmes
29. Maggy Luyten
28. James Labrie
27. Emily Armstrong
26. Ida Haukland
25. Tarja
24. Jorn Lande
23. David Reece
22. Ray West
21. Michael Hutchence
20. Beth Hart
19. Rob Halford
18. Lou Gramm
17. John Farnham
16. Ronnie James DIO
15. Matt Barlow
14. Jimmy Barnes
13. Kevin Martin
12. Freddie Mercury
11. JP Leppaluoto
10. Ray Gillen
9. Lajon Witherspoon
8. Ray Alder
7. Chris Cornell
6. Bruce Dickinson
5. Huey Lewis
4. David Coverdale
3. Sammy Hagar
2. Jon Stevens
1. Geoff Tate
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Jimmy Barnes! :metal
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Jimmy Barnes! :metal
I had Noiseworks in my Top 50 and got bagged by everyone excepy you Kade :tup :lol
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20. Beth Hart
While it's fantastic to see her listed, I think I'd place her higher. :tup
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20. Beth Hart
While it's fantastic to see her listed, I think I'd place her higher. :tup
Love her voice. I just don't listen to her stuff too often. The Zeppelin Tribute album this year was aces.
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20. Beth Hart
While it's fantastic to see her listed, I think I'd place her higher. :tup
Love her voice. I just don't listen to her stuff too often. The Zeppelin Tribute album this year was aces.
She's brutal, IMHO. We actually saw her many years ago. I don't remember, and while my wife doesn't remember her name, she has always said the opening singer..all she did was swear.
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Points all taken.
I will mull over what will be next after the LZ countdown. :tup :tup
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25 Linda Ronstadt
24 Jim Morrison
23 Simone Simons
22 Amanda Somerville
21 Roy Khan
20 Jørn Lande
19 Russell Allen
18 Donna Summer
17 Ted Neeley
16 Freddy Mercury
15 Geoff Tate
14 Brian Johnson
13 Geddy Lee
12 Steve Perry
11 Joe Elliott
10 Robert Plant
9 Tarja Turunen
8 Anneke van Giersbergen
7 David Gilmour
6 Ian Gillen
5 Roger Daltrey
4 Floor Jansen
3 Sharon den Adel
2 James LaBrie
1 Bruce Dickinson
Everything after 15 or so is a bit of filler. I tossed in a couple names that I doubted would make anyone else's list, just to have them represented.
I didn't think I'd account for such a high percentage of points for Sharon, and even more surprised Tarja didn't rank very high. Same with Ian Gillan, as I thought there'd be enough classic rock fans participating to give him a boost. I know I talked about Ted Neeley earlier, but Ian's performance on Jesus Christ Superstar is a Mt Rushmore level recording for me.
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I just saw my #1 singer live and he was awesome (as the whole band was). :)
I don't think mine has even toured the US. But at least I've seen Jonas.
29. Maggy Luyten
26. Ida Haukland
20. Beth Hart
14. Jimmy Barnes
9. Lajon Witherspoon
Good to see these getting some well-deserved attention.
20. Beth Hart
While it's fantastic to see her listed, I think I'd place her higher. :tup
Love her voice. I just don't listen to her stuff too often. The Zeppelin Tribute album this year was aces.
She's brutal, IMHO. We actually saw her many years ago. I don't remember, and while my wife doesn't remember her name, she has always said the opening singer..all she did was swear.
She does seem like a hard livin' type, but her vocals are unbelievable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOQ07fVVDJQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOQ07fVVDJQ)
I didn't think I'd account for such a high percentage of points for Sharon, and even more surprised Tarja didn't rank very high.
With the exception of Anneke, the female vocalists who've placed higher tend to have more power/rock sort of voices. Sharon is too ethereal for DTF tastes I think, and at least in Nightwish, Tarja is a one-trick-pony, though she's good at it.
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Same with Ian Gillan, as I thought there'd be enough classic rock fans participating to give him a boost.
I'm a classic rock fan and a fogey, and I think Ian Gillan is generally pretty terrible.
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Same with Ian Gillan, as I thought there'd be enough classic rock fans participating to give him a boost.
I'm a classic rock fan and a fogey, and I think Ian Gillan is generally pretty terrible.
Huh. Thought he was up there with Plant and maybe any rock singer from that era, short of Mercury.
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Same with Ian Gillan, as I thought there'd be enough classic rock fans participating to give him a boost.
I'm a classic rock fan and a fogey, and I think Ian Gillan is generally pretty terrible.
Huh. Thought he was up there with Plant and maybe any rock singer from that era, short of Mercury.
No chance. I don't have the disdain for him that Tim seems to, but he can't come close to the truly great rock singers of that era.
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I don't have the disdain...that Tim seems to
He's just overflowing with it. :lol
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Not for me. Deep Purple gets played a lot on Classic Rock radio and Gillan sings some iconic songs, but he's certainly not carrying them. I respect and enjoy them but I find them a tad overrated*. Not a lot, but still.
*According to the Bosktionary, meaning that I don't see what everyone else sees in them
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Forgot to post my full list the other day. Here is my entire shortlist I was working from.
1. Devin Townsend
2. Arno Menses
3. Steve Perry
4. Anneke van Giersbergen
5. Einar Solberg
6. Cedric Bixler-Zavala
7. Jeff Buckley
8. Peter Steele
9. Russell Allen
10. Ray Alder
11. Geddy Lee
12. Rob Halford
13. Maynard James Keenan
14. Michael Eriksen
15. Daniel Gildenlöw
16. Ronnie James Dio
17. Steve Hogarth
18. Geoff Tate
19. Freddie Mercury
20. James LaBrie
21. Claudio Sanchez
22. Matthew Good
23. Mikael Åkerfeldt
24. Justin Hawkins
25. John Arch
26. Edu Falaschi
27. Andrew McDermott
28. Mike Baker
29. Stevie Nicks
30. Chino Moreno
31. Lee Douglas
32. Floor Jansen
33. Hansi Kürsch
34. Janelle Monáe
35. Scott Walker
36. Kate Bush
37. Vincent Cavanagh
38. Mike Patton
39. Brandon Boyd
40. Bruce Dickinson
41. Davey Havok
42. Tatiana Shmayluk
43. Rik Emmett
44. Jim Grey
45. J.R. Richards
46. Matthew Bellamy
47. Florence Welch
48. Elton John
49. Stu Block
50. Mariusz Duda
51. David Coverdale
52. Fish
53. Julie Christmas
54. Dolores O'Riordan
55. Tommy Rogers
56. Chris Cornell
57. Thomas Erak
58. Brad Delp
59. Robert Plant
60. Peter Gabriel
61. Sammy Hagar
62. Imogen Heap
63. Jon Bon Jovi
64. Layne Staley
65. Tori Amos
66. Michael Kiske
67. Ann Wilson
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Forgot to post my full list the other day. Here is my entire shortlist I was working from.
2. Arno Menses
Oh, that's a good one I don't see mentioned often.
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Pup, you posted your list upside down.
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Pup, you posted your list upside down.
Oh sorry, I'll fix it....
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Pup, you posted your list upside down.
Oh sorry, I'll fix it....
Oh, you two :lol
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Well played.
I can't believe I forgot Arno Menses. Not sure who I would've bumped for him, but he'd definitely make my list for the next 25.
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:rollin
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Isn't Arno Menses Sting's sex technique with his wife?
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Isn't Arno Menses Sting's sex technique with his wife?
No that's called Tantric sex. :corn
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Isn't Arno Menses Sting's sex technique with his wife?
No, it's Sting's sex technique with YOUR wife. :lol :lol
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Isn't Arno Menses Sting's sex technique with his wife?
No, it's Sting's sex technique with YOUR wife. :lol :lol
:rollin
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Isn't Arno Menses Sting's sex technique with his wife?
No, it's Sting's sex technique with YOUR wife. :lol :lol
:rollin
I really should've put a "BAM" gif on top of that. Missed opportunity.
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62. Imogen Heap
Kind of disappointed that she didn't get any votes. And Bjork only had 5 points, for that matter. Not to mention Kate Havnevik, who I like better than either, but she's more obscure.
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Nice to see there aren’t a ton of Adam Lambert enthusiasts around here . . . I got SO SICK of hearing about him those first few years.
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Same with Ian Gillan, as I thought there'd be enough classic rock fans participating to give him a boost.
I'm a classic rock fan and a fogey, and I think Ian Gillan is generally pretty terrible.
Huh. Thought he was up there with Plant and maybe any rock singer from that era, short of Mercury.
No chance. I don't have the disdain for him that Tim seems to, but he can't come close to the truly great rock singers of that era.
Doesn't Bruce Dickinson hold Gillen in high regard as a vocalist? Not that that's the be all end all but while didn't rank him myself certainly can appreciate his vocals. In fact am probably in the minority but think his performance on (the underrated?) Born Again was cool :)
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Nice to see there aren’t a ton of Adam Lambert enthusiasts around here . . . I got SO SICK of hearing about him those first few years.
He's a fantastic singer.
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Nice to see there aren’t a ton of Adam Lambert enthusiasts around here . . . I got SO SICK of hearing about him those first few years.
You a Claymate?
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Doesn't Bruce Dickinson hold Gillen in high regard as a vocalist?
I believe so...and you can hear it in Bruce's performance on The Number of the Beast album, at least. I even think there are Gillan-isms in Bruce's singing even more recently...the scream at the beginning of Speed of Light almost sounds like a tribute to me...
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Doesn't Bruce Dickinson hold Gillen in high regard as a vocalist?
I believe so...and you can hear it in Bruce's performance on The Number of the Beast album, at least. I even think there are Gillan-isms in Bruce's singing even more recently...the scream at the beginning of Speed of Light almost sounds like a tribute to me...
That is awful.
Fear Is The Key is a total Gillan tribute.
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Nice to see there aren’t a ton of Adam Lambert enthusiasts around here . . . I got SO SICK of hearing about him those first few years.
He's a fantastic singer.
I agree. He's in impossible shoes to fill, but his voice is incredible. I really enjoyed his run on American Idol, but I just don't listen to Queen's modern releases, and wasn't enthused with the little of his solo work I've heard, so there was no chance of ranking him.
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Nice to see there aren’t a ton of Adam Lambert enthusiasts around here . . . I got SO SICK of hearing about him those first few years.
You a Claymate?
Is that the kid that won on that show? I don’t watch those shows but I assume that’s what you meant? I have no dog in that fight but would be quite happy if I never heard Lambert’s name again.
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Nice to see there aren’t a ton of Adam Lambert enthusiasts around here . . . I got SO SICK of hearing about him those first few years.
You a Claymate?
Is that the kid that won on that show? I don’t watch those shows but I assume that’s what you meant? I have no dog in that fight but would be quite happy if I never heard Lambert’s name again.
FTR, Clay Aiken placed second. ;D
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Fear Is The Key is a total Gillan tribute.
Yes, absolutely!
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Fear Is The Key is a total Gillan tribute.
Yes, absolutely!
And despite my comments on Gillan, I love that song. And that album for that matter.
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Now that the thread is settling down a bit, here's the rest of my writeups that I haven't already posted. Peruse at your leisure, or be prepared for lots of scrolling if you don't care about my taste! :omg:
25: Cammie Gilbert
Bands - Oceans of Slumber
Guest appearances - Swallow The Sun, Ayreon, ISON, others
From - Texas
Other song highlights - ISON "Waves", Swallow The Sun "All Hallows' Grieve", Mercury Circle "Like Matches"
The newest addition to my list, she has really been ascending the last few years. Oceans of Slumber blends a quite wide range of styles into their metal, and she elevates all of it. She's already becoming a popular guest for other projects, and it's easy to see why, with her powerful and singular emotive vocal style.
Listening:
Oceans of Slumber - "I Mourn These Yellowed Leaves"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXUoFD7Pi1U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXUoFD7Pi1U)
In Action:
Oceans of Slumber - "A Return To the Earth Below"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR5x8NNHy4o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR5x8NNHy4o)
24: Susan Tedeschi
Bands - solo, Tedeschi Trucks Band
Guest appearances - Herbie Hancock, Buddy Guy, Robben Ford, others
From - Massachusetts
Other song highlights - Tedeschi Trucks Band "Midnight In Harlem", "Made Up Mind", Buddy Guy "Too Many Tears"
The spiritual successor to Janis Joplin, she has such a soulful, bluesy delivery. I got into her and her husband guitarist Derek Truck's solo careers separately, wished they would work more together, and sure enough, it eventually happened! The talent in their band is so high that she doesn't even need to do anything other than sing, but she's a solid guitarist herself and keeps Derek on his toes.
Listening:
Susan Tedeschi - "Alone"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld_sFSJK1tU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld_sFSJK1tU)
In Action:
Susan Tedeschi - "Rock Me Right"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lQ2QvSMrOA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lQ2QvSMrOA)
23: Jorn Lande
Bands - solo, Ark, Masterplan, others
Guest appearances - Ayreon, Beyond Twilight, Avantasia, others
From - Norway
Other song highlights - Ayreon "Beneath the Waves", Allen/Lande "Wish For a Miracle", Masterplan "Enlighten Me"
Just an incredible powerhouse of a vocalist. There are a lot of singers who do similar things as he does, but he just does them much better, with the perfect amount of soaring melodies with a gritty delivery. It's mindblowing that he can fuse a Bjork impersonation into his own style on a track like Ark's "Absolute Zero".
Listening:
Ark - "Heal the Waters"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL3xjuxpYls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL3xjuxpYls)
In Action:
Avantasia - "The Scarecrow"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTyxnUZMA1k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTyxnUZMA1k)
22: Jonas Renkse
Bands - Katatonia, October Tide, The Wisdom of Crowds, others
Guest appearances - Ayreon, The Ocean Collective, Swallow the Sun, others
From - Sweden
Other song highlights - Ayreon "Waking Dreams", The Ocean Collective "Jurassic Cretaceous", Swallow the Sun "Justice of Suffering"
Quite possibly the least technical singer on my list, he really makes up for it with resplendent melodies and an emotionally resonant delivery. The growth as a vocalist he's gone through is just immense. Most of the others on my list appeared mostly fully formed as vocalists, but in his case you can see pretty much the entire progression from very rough, insecure beginnings, to someone, who still is not per se a great singer, but has fine-tuned his vocals to deliver just what the music needs.
Listening:
Katatonia - "Laquer"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGvZhRFBQ_I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGvZhRFBQ_I)
In Action:
Katatonia - "My Twin"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AZuvOpMxLo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AZuvOpMxLo)
20: Ruth Moody
Bands - solo, The Wailin' Jennys, Scruj MacDuhk
Guest appearances - Mark Knopfler, The Fretless, Jeremy Penner/Oliver Swain
From - Australia/Canada
Other song highlights - Ruth Moody "Pockets", The Wailin' Jennys "Glory Bound", The Fretless "Retrograde",
Getting into groups with multiple lead vocalists is always a fascinating journey to embark upon. While they're all strong singers in their own right (especially Nicky Mehta), one voice was more conspicuous than the others, and once I found out it was her's, I just had to hear more. Her tone is such a beautiful sound, sweeter than pure honey. In retrospect I can see that getting into her material was probably an earlier step in setting me down a path of looking for folkier singers, where the instruments don't always compete for your attention as much and you can focus on the rich textures of their voices, which she has in spades.
Listening:
Ruth Moody - "These Wilder Things"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO-vTrt2urg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO-vTrt2urg)
In Action:
Ruth Moody - "Trouble & Woe"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF6vy2Lo51o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF6vy2Lo51o)
19: Lajon Witherspoon
Bands - Sevendust, Body & Soul
Guest appearances - Earthside, Ra, Daughtry, others
From - Tennessee
Other song highlights - Sevendust "Trust", "Waffle", Soulidium "Fly To the Sun"
Such an incredibly gifted vocalist, with so much raw power, anchoring countless infectious melodies. Sevendust drummer Morgan Rose recalled that in decades of touring he could only remember one night where Lajon's voice went out. That's incredible stamina and longevity.
Listening:
Sevendust - "Shadows in Red"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWfn604_c98 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWfn604_c98)
In Action:
Earthside - "Mob Mentality"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhtEusYxATQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhtEusYxATQ)
18: Steve Shannon
Band - solo, Idle Cure
From - California
Other song highlights - Idle Cure "Human Solution", "Never Say Goodbye", Steve Shannon "Power To Win"
Probably the most obscure name on my list, and yet one I imagine some people here might appreciate vocally if they heard him. He combines the soaring melodicism of Steve Perry with the grittiness of Steven Tyler, without his more annoying traits.
Listening:
Idle Cure - "Hungry Hearts"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qPEkkrErx4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qPEkkrErx4)
In Action:
Idle Cure - "Breakaway"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq1TZfJNhWY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq1TZfJNhWY)
17: Sheila Chandra
Bands - solo, Monsoon, Ganges Orchestra
Guest appearances - The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers OST, Ancient Beatbox, Simon Emmerson
From - the UK
Other song highlights - Sheila Chandra "Silent Silver Scythe", Howard Shore "Breath of Life", Monsoon "You Can't Take Me With You"
Another of those epiphanies about the development of my taste looking at it retrospectively, I think getting into her material in the 00s lay the groundwork for a lot of the more ethereal, ambient-ish vocalists I've discovered since then. Her vocals are the centerpiece of her work, whether in the atmospheric drone tracks, or her aptitude for konnakol (South Indian vocal percussion). A rare medical condition causing her to lose her singing voice is one of the universe's greatest musical tragedies, for such gorgeous tones to be silenced forever.
Listening:
Sheila Chandra - "Roots and Wings"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq01Yo6uEQo
In Action:
Sheila Chandra - "Ever So Lonely/Eyes/Ocean"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh15m063gio (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh15m063gio)
Bonus selection highlighting konnakol:
Sheila Chandra - "Speaking in Tongues II"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-iWhYRp49o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-iWhYRp49o)
16: Matt Barlow
Bands - Iced Earth, Ashes of Ares, Pyramaze, others
Guest appearance - Artizan
From - Mississippi
Other song highlights - Iced Earth "Dante's Inferno", Ashes of Ares "Punishment", Pyramaze "Touched By the Mara"
His talents are a real tour de force, from a sonorous baritone to impossibly high screams. I feel bad for Ripper Owens. While most felt Ripper could never fill Halford's shoes, for me it was Matt that was an impossible standard to live up to.
Listening:
Iced Earth - "The Clouding"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9Au2U7NNzs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9Au2U7NNzs)
In Action:
Iced Earth - "I Died For You"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22eFBfrA6Mc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22eFBfrA6Mc)
15: Tomi Joutsen
Bands - Amorphis, Hallatar, Sinisthra, others
Guest appearances - Soilwork, Swallow The Sun, Hanging Garden, others
From - Finland
Other song highlights - Amorphis "Flesh and Blood", Hallatar "Mirrors", Sinisthra "Coming Up Roses"
I was already an Amorphis fan several years before he joined, but his contributions took my enjoyment of them to a whole new level. What is about these guys with smaller frames and massive voices? He's about a foot shorter than Peter Steele, yet his lower range is just about as resonant, whether with fierce growls or bold cleans.
Listening:
Amorphis - "From Earth I Rose"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb3WNNslgoE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb3WNNslgoE)
In Action:
Amorphis - "The Smoke"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ7ZjVxjkjs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ7ZjVxjkjs)
14: Heike Langhans
Bands - Draconian, Remina, :LOL3L3l:, others
Guest appearances - Hallatar, Helevorn, Warthane, others,
From - South Africa/Sweden
Other song highlights - Draconian "The Wretched Tide", Light Field Reverie "Dreamwalker", :LOR3L3i: "Fables",
Draconian was one of those bands that I loved every time I heard them, but didn't reach for nearly as often as I thought I should. That started changing the year before her first album with them, and then once it came out the doors blew wide open and they became one of my absolute favorite bands. I've appreciated how she's fused her other projects into Draconian's sound, and while it's shame that she has left Draconian, at least she continues to be fairly productive with her other work.
Listening:
Remina - "Dying Sun"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaUz2aE9vWE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaUz2aE9vWE)
In Action:
Draconian - "Sleepwalkers" - with former and now current vocalist Lisa Johansson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2IXZhhqZYY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2IXZhhqZYY)
13: Nienke de Jong
Bands - Autumn, Dejafuse, Her Enchantment
Guest appearances - Callenish Circle, God Dethroned, Cantara
From - the Netherlands
Other song highlights - Dejafuse "Clipper", "Brother", Her Enchantment "Frozen Dark"
One of the most unique voices I've ever heard. She has an exquisite sultry and powerful timbre that is equally well-suited to the moodier Autumn tracks, as it is to the harder-rocking Dejafuse tunes. It's such a shame that as far as I can tell she hasn't recorded anything in well over a decade now.
Listening:
Autumn - "Sunday Morning (Forget To Remember)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQRIQCEGWOg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQRIQCEGWOg)
In Action:
Autumn - "Satellites" acoustic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0z61M0qaA4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0z61M0qaA4)
12: Fiora
Bands - solo, Fiora/Hankinson
Guest appearances - Armin van Buuren, Seven Lions, Antilles, others
From - Australia/Germany
Other song highlights - Fiora/Armin van Buuren - "Breathe In Deep (Blizzard Remix)", Markus Schulz "Deep in the Night", Fiora "Sound the Alarm"
There are a lot of vocalists who are hired guns for electronic producers to add some vocals to their latest tune. Many are quite pleasant, but none have raptured my attention like Fiora. She has such a relaxing voice that helps make the day's troubles go away for awhile. She started her career as an opera singer and violinist, and she continues to do some orchestral and operatic work, so it's impressive how radically different the two facets of her are.
Listening:
Fiora/Seven Lions - "Let Go"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiaZAt-AHtE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiaZAt-AHtE)
In Action:
Fiora/Paul Hankinson - "Breathe In Deep" - voice and organ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vcGsrMdiUA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vcGsrMdiUA)
Just for the fascinating contrast, here she is singing operatically. I really wish I had a semi-famous metal band and some money to hire her and see if she can blend or alternate the two styles on a song.
Fiora/Paul Hankinson - "6 Romances, Op. 8: No. 5 in D-Flat Major, The Dream" (Rachmaninoff)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANFn8akH62k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANFn8akH62k)
11: Daniel Tompkins
Bands - TesseracT, Skyharbor, White Moth Black Butterfly, others
Guest appearances - Earthside, Voyager, Haji's Kitchen, others
From - the UK
Other song highlights - TesseracT "Seven Names", Skyharbor "Evolution", Jon Gomm "Ain't Nobody" (Chaka Khan)
Vocalists with hardcore backgrounds are rarely favorites of mine, but here we have my favorite exception. In the softer moments he's a better George Michael, yet also has a formidable and clear high range, and a savage scream when needed, as well as every nuance inbetween.
Listening:
Daniel Tompkins - "Stains of Betrayal"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9oVv3ZeZe0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9oVv3ZeZe0)
In Action:
Skyharbor - "Allure" vocal one-take
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-6MIhkhHK0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-6MIhkhHK0)
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10: Julianne Regan
Bands - All About Eve, Hussey/Regan, The Dadaists,
Guest appearances - The Eden House, The Mission U.K., This Burning Effigy, others
From - the UK
Other song highlights - All About Eve "December", This Burning Effigy "Exquisite", The Eden House "All My Love"
She has the voice of drifting on clouds. Less abstract than Elizabeth Fraser, Tara Vanflower, Suzanne Perry and other ethereal wave vocalists, she has a splendid voice for folk rock as well.
Listening:
All About Eve - "Wild Hearted Woman"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ukpr_Cv5qw
In Action:
All About Eve - "Martha's Harbour"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FJeDCRNF-0
9: Sara Gazarek
Band - solo, triosence, Gazarek/Nelson
Guest appearances - Matt Dusk
From - Washington State
Other song highlights - Sara Gazarek "Nothing At All", triosence "Truly", Gazarek/Nelson "All Again"
Jazz is mostly an instrumental genre for me, but she is the top when it comes to the vocal form of it, with a quite endearing tone. Jazz scatting has always sounded a bit silly to me, but her version of it is delightful for rather inexplicable reasons. I also tend to gravitate towards jazz artists from many decades ago, but she is a relatively newer artist who has enchanted me, and continually gives me hope that jazz does have a future.
Listening:
Sara Gazarek/triosence - "Like the Wind"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEtBxLVZ-GM
In Action:
Sara Gazarek - "Jolene" (Dolly Parton))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HVKrZ8mfDY
8: Chelsea Wolfe
Band - solo, Converge/Chelsea Wolfe (Bloodmoon), Mrs. Piss
Guest appearances - Myrkur, Russian Circles, Deafheaven, others
From - California
Other song highlights - Converge "Crimson Stone", Myrkur "Kvindelil", Russian Circles "Memorial"
Easily the artist that has shifted my taste the most in the part half-decade. It's insane how well her voice fits over every style she experiments with. She and musical partner Ben Chisholm experiment with many different studio techniques to add interest that sometimes you're not even sure what you're hearing is her voice, yet she can do solo acoustic performances demonstrating that she is a force on her own.
Listening:
Chelsea Wolfe - "They'll Clap When You're Gone"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFM-DEvpHK8
In Action:
Chelsea Wolfe - "Halfsleeper"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGIT_QhTmys
7: Tinna Karlsdotter
Band - All Ends, Embraced
Guest appearances - Evergrey, Marty Friedman/Jun Senoue/Johnny Gioeli (Sonic and the Black Night video game OST)
From - Sweden
Other song highlights - All Ends "Regrets", "Still Believe", Marty Friedman/Jun Senoue/Johnny Gioeli "With Me"
The constant member between the two different vocal duos on their two albums, she has a really powerful rock voice. What I'm not even sure I fully appreciated until thinking through making this list is how stellar her voice blending is. Her two different co-vocalists from each album have quite different voices, and yet she mixes perfectly with them in harmonies when she's not singing lead parts.
Listening:
All Ends - "I Am Who I Am"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiY3xFFA48Y
In Action:
All Ends - "I'm a Monster"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xVhDeSBov4
6: Christian Alvestam
Bands - Scar Symmetry, Solution .45, Miseration, many others
Guest appearances - Disarmonia Mundi, Universum, Deadlock, many others
From - Sweden
Other song highlights - Miseration "Chain-Work Soul", Universum "Fractured Archetype", Deadlock "Dying Breed"
You listen to some of his songs, and you assume it was a giant tracking session with the whole band contributing different parts, but nope, it's all him. He was such a powerhouse that Scar Symmetry had to hire a duo of vocalists to inadquately replace him.
Listening:
Scar Symmetry - "Ghost Prototype II: Deus Ex Machina"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5oMoTN_y9w
In Action:
Solution .45 - "Grativational Lensing"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXJxtp8inWg
5: Dan Swano
Bands - solo, Nightingale, Edge of Sanity, many more
Guest appearances - Star One, Therion, Winds, many more
From - Sweden
Other song highlights - Dan Swano "Add Reality", Odyssey "I Am Two", Edge of Sanity "Passage of Time"
He might be the most versatile untrained vocalist on my list. It took him a long time to develop his voice, turning one of the most beastly growls into an incredibly varied voice with deep melodic intonations, high screams, hardcore shouting, and much more.
Listening:
Nightingale - "Better Safe Than Sorry"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_c5acj0TyQ
In Action:
Nightingale - "Deep Inside of Nowhere"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfLkrYZbbis
4: Aleksandra Djelmas
Bands - solo (Djelmash), Destiny Potato/Sordid Pink,
Guest appearances - David Maxim Micic, Above The Earth, The Ralph, others
From - Serbia
Other song highlights - Djelmash "Made For Love", Destiny Potato "Walls of Thoughts", David Maxim Micic "Smile",
Easily one of the widest ranges of abilities on my list. A lovely softer tone when needed, powerful and crisp highs, all the way to quite brutal growls, and everything inbetween, including some jazz scatting on David Maxim Micic's just released Bilo IV.
Listening:
Djelmash - "Incredible"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6_0fZf1iog
In Action:
Aleksandra Djelmas - "Hurricane" (30 Seconds To Mars)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVNwgn8ftJc
3: Judith Rijnveld
Band - Kingfisher Sky, Jambone
Guest appearances - Ian Parry, Consortium Project
From - the Netherlands
Other song highlights - Kingfisher Sky "Liquid Clocks", "Rise From the Flames", Ian Parry "Visions"
One of the things I appreciate about her is that while she has classical training, and can go full operatic mode if she wants to, she rarely employs it, going for a broader ranges of timbres, only bringing in the most dramatic expressions for effect when needed. Her voice is just as well-suited to soaring over top of heavy riffs as it is in acoustic settings. Must be something in the water in the Netherlands.
Listening:
Kingfisher Sky - "All That Is Left"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikO8bjraDHc
In Action:
Kingfisher Sky - "Winter" (Tori Amos)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd7WRmqISMo
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Forgot to post my full list the other day. Here is my entire shortlist I was working from.
2. Arno Menses
Oh, that's a good one I don't see mentioned often.
Wow Puppies had him at #2. He's on my list and is a great singers. Live too.
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Lande doing Scarecrow at Wacken '08 for The Flying Opera is a Top 10 live/concert DVD vocal moment of all-time for me. :hefdaddy
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Well, I'm a joke box hero.
I laughed for a good five minutes at that one. Even thought of it later and laughed again.
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Not for me. Deep Purple gets played a lot on Classic Rock radio and Gillan sings some iconic songs, but he's certainly not carrying them. I respect and enjoy them but I find them a tad overrated*. Not a lot, but still.
*According to the Bosktionary, meaning that I don't see what everyone else sees in them
Deep Purple is an ICONIC band for me - Ritchie Blackmore is my favorite guitarist and favorite musician generally, and it's not even close - but Ian Gillan wasn't even considered for this list. That's not what Deep Purple was about (though Gillan would make my top lyricists list; he does have a wonderful ability to turn a phrase).
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Ian Gillan made #11 on my list, bumped way up for this one performance alone from the JC Superstar studio album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHm2aIjRCw4 :tup
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#2 James LaBrie #12
#1 Freddie Mercury #1
If you followed the Queen discography…well, you knew he’d be my #1, but…..I was just hoping he’d get mentioned in this countdown! This is a diverse and mostly metal forum after all, and it often depends on who votes and who doesn’t. It wasn’t until Steve Perry was listed that I was pretty certain that he would make the list, and still had my doubts until the final announcement.
Trivial, but you made me and my wife very happy at a time when we needed a smile. ‘We thank you all!’ :)
(and, once again, thanks Kev for all your efforts :tup)
(https://queenphotos.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/tumblr_ms1vfpxwwp1qdslbvo1_1280.png)
25 Diana Ross (the only vote…with twelve #1 Billboard hits of my preteen years)
24 Elton John
23 Kevin Cronin (the only vote)
22 Roger Taylor (Queen) (the only vote)
21 Ann Wilson #13
20 Jon Anderson #19
19 Brian May (the only vote…and tied with Taylor Swift :D)
18 Roger Daltrey
17 Michael Stipe
16 Bruce Springsteen
15 David Bowie
14 Geoff Tate (same as TAC) #4
13 Sammy Hagar
12 James LaBrie #2
11 Ian Gillan
10 Geddy Lee #10
9 Billy Joel
8 Ian Anderson
7 Steve Perry #5
6 Dennis DeYoung
5 Robert Plant #15
4 Alice Cooper (again, the same as TAC!)
3 John Lennon
2 Paul McCartney #23
1 Freddie Mercury #1
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Lande doing Scarecrow at Wacken '08 for The Flying Opera is a Top 10 live/concert DVD vocal moment of all-time for me. :hefdaddy
I thought of posting one of the performances from one of Jorn's solo concerts, since it focuses just on him. But that song is so good I just couldn't pass it up. It even makes me think I need to reevaluate Sammet. I dug Edguy early in my power metal days and soured on him, kind of like Hansi and Kotipelto. Hansi has been rising back up though.
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Out of curiosity, did anyone else consider any rappers? As for myself, I really dig the voices of MCA, Ice Cube and Snoop Dogg. :hat With the first two almost making my list.
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It's hard enough ranking harsh vocalists alongside singers. I have lists of favorite emcees from back when I was exploring hip-hop a lot more, but it's just too apples and oranges. Treach from Naughty By Nature is my favorite of them though. I guess it's really all just vocal performance of various kinds, my list has someone who sometimes does whole tracks of vocal percussion, and two others who've done jazz scatting. And there are so many singing styles even in the rock field. But my ear is pretty tuned to melody, so it's just very difficult to get on there if your style is exclusively non-melodic in nature.
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#2 James LaBrie #12
#1 Freddie Mercury #1
If you followed the Queen discography…well, you knew he’d be my #1, but…..I was just hoping he’d get mentioned in this countdown! This is a diverse and mostly metal forum after all, and it often depends on who votes and who doesn’t. It wasn’t until Steve Perry was listed that I was pretty certain that he would make the list, and still had my doubts until the final announcement.
Trivial, but you made me and my wife very happy at a time when we needed a smile. ‘We thank you all!’ :)
(and, once again, thanks Kev for all your efforts :tup)
(https://queenphotos.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/tumblr_ms1vfpxwwp1qdslbvo1_1280.png)
25 Diana Ross (the only vote…with twelve #1 Billboard hits of my preteen years)
24 Elton John
23 Kevin Cronin (the only vote)
22 Roger Taylor (Queen) (the only vote)
21 Ann Wilson #13
20 Jon Anderson #19
19 Brian May (the only vote…and tied with Taylor Swift :D)
18 Roger Daltrey
17 Michael Stipe
16 Bruce Springsteen
15 David Bowie
14 Geoff Tate (same as TAC) #4
13 Sammy Hagar
12 James LaBrie #2
11 Ian Gillan
10 Geddy Lee #10
9 Billy Joel
8 Ian Anderson
7 Steve Perry #5
6 Dennis DeYoung
5 Robert Plant #15
4 Alice Cooper (again, the same as TAC!)
3 John Lennon
2 Paul McCartney #23
1 Freddie Mercury #1
I am fairly new here but even I had no trouble guessing who the votes for Brian May and Roger Taylor were coming from. Queen is far from my n. 1 band but you have to give it to them - apart from having the greatest rock singer ever, they also had the other really good vocalist. If we were to rank bands based on their average vocal competence across all members, Queen would be easy winners...
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Forgot to post my full list the other day. Here is my entire shortlist I was working from.
2. Arno Menses
Oh, that's a good one I don't see mentioned often.
Wow Puppies had him at #2. He's on my list and is a great singers. Live too.
Lethean, I didn't see that you had it too...
Yes, such a good singer. When he was in Sieges Even, I felt they had finally "fixed" their relatively weak spot (vocals)...pity they only had two albums with him before disbanding (?). But Subsignal is certainly not too shabby, so can't complain ;)
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25 Michelle Luppi
This guy is amazing!
Yeah! I didn't care him on the rerecorded Secret Sphere album, but I love his stuff with Vision Divine.
Stream Of Consciousness is an incredible album. He used to be my pick in the old "Who would you replace JLB with if he left..?" threads.
And The Perfect Machine is awesome too.
I don't think he would fit DT but then I'd say that about any singer other than James.
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Forgot to post my full list the other day. Here is my entire shortlist I was working from.
2. Arno Menses
Oh, that's a good one I don't see mentioned often.
Wow Puppies had him at #2. He's on my list and is a great singers. Live too.
Lethean, I didn't see that you had it too...
Yes, such a good singer. When he was in Sieges Even, I felt they had finally "fixed" their relatively weak spot (vocals)...pity they only had two albums with him before disbanding (?). But Subsignal is certainly not too shabby, so can't complain ;)
Agree with pretty much all of the above. But he was already in Sieges Even when I started listening to them. I listened to the older albums after The Art of Navigating and none of them were as good. I liked the music though.
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Also - I'd participate in a list of lyricists. But maybe we could rank just 10 instead of 25. You could still do a countdown of the top 25 vote getters.
I'd also be up for instrumentalists.
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Top 25 guitarists! :metal
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Guitarists would be better; I can at least accept that Petrooch might be number one. I don't know if I can maintain interest in a lyricist thread knowing that Neil Peart is number one from the get-go. I love the guy, Mt. Rushmore of drummers, for sure, maybe even Mt. Rushmore of musicians in general, but while his lyrics are good, occasionally great, I find him very over-rated as a lyricist.
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Geez dude. Wouldn't it be interesting to know who #2 is? Or #3, etc.
You really should look at this as favorite artists, not some objective best, which is impossible. And it's favorite artists of the ones we listen to. I don't like Bob Dylan's voice, thus I don't listen to him, thus he wouldn't be on my lyrics list even if I might find his lyrics "better." I do like Paul Simon's voice and recall some good lyrics, but I don't listen to it enough so won't be on my list either. I listen to tons of Rush, so of course Neil will be. (But not actually my #1).
There were singers I found overrated/disliked and maybe rolled my eyes a little, but in reality my feelings aren't more right than the people who voted for them. It's still fun.
Having said all that - I'm fine with doing guitars next and would be fine doing all the instruments after that. Just wanted to let Kev know that I'd participate for lyrics if/when he wants to do it.
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This was a lot of fun. More of mine showed up on the final list than I would have thought, but I still had plenty that didn't get a sniff.
Thanks for running this, Kev!
Here's my list.
1 Freddie Mercury
2 Jeff Buckley
3 Steve Perry
4 Roy Orbison
5 Marvin Gaye
6 Aretha Franklin
7 Brad Delp
8 John Hiatt
9 Pat Benatar
10 Whitney Houston
11 Elvis Presley
12 Art Garfunkel
13 Bing Crosby
14 Grace Cummings
15 Alison Krauss
16 Morgan James
17 Prince
18 Ann Wilson
19 Layne Staley
20 Dean Martin
21 Patsy Cline
22 Johnny Cash
23 Greg Allman
24 Chris Cornell
25 Warren Haynes
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Love the shout outs to Roy Orbison (I forgot him; he would have made mine) and Big John Cash.
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Love the shout outs to Roy Orbison (I forgot him; he would have made mine) and Big John Cash.
Simply no one like either one of them. Roy Orbison's "Crying" is one of the greatest examples of male pop/rock singing ever recorded, and if you don't think so, YOU try singing it lol.
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Yes, such a good singer. When he was in Sieges Even, I felt they had finally "fixed" their relatively weak spot (vocals)...pity they only had two albums with him before disbanding (?). But Subsignal is certainly not too shabby, so can't complain ;)
Agree with pretty much all of the above. But he was already in Sieges Even when I started listening to them. I listened to the older albums after The Art of Navigating and none of them were as good. I liked the music though.
My favorite Sieges Even album is probably A Sense of Change…it’s just lovely, and the most Rush-influenced in their catalog. Sophisticated is great too, with some insanely good guitar work (in addition to the rhythm section, but nothing new there of course :))
But yes, as a whole package, their last two records are excellent.
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Love the shout outs to Roy Orbison (I forgot him; he would have made mine) and Big John Cash.
I find Roy Orbison absolutely brutal to listen to.
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Yes, such a good singer. When he was in Sieges Even, I felt they had finally "fixed" their relatively weak spot (vocals)...pity they only had two albums with him before disbanding (?). But Subsignal is certainly not too shabby, so can't complain ;)
Agree with pretty much all of the above. But he was already in Sieges Even when I started listening to them. I listened to the older albums after The Art of Navigating and none of them were as good. I liked the music though.
My favorite Sieges Even album is probably A Sense of Change…it’s just lovely, and the most Rush-influenced in their catalog. Sophisticated is great too, with some insanely good guitar work (in addition to the rhythm section, but nothing new there of course :))
But yes, as a whole package, their last two records are excellent.
Poor writing on my part. I knew what I meant in my head so I guess I just skipped some words. :) "None of them were as good" should have been "none of the singers on those albums were as good." I do like A Sense of Change a lot, but the vocals are just ok imo.
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I wish Sieges Even re-recorded "Steps". It would have been a total classic with a different singer. I guess the same would be true with Lifecycle but Sophisticated is my favorite.
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I didn't do this one or really follow along - but no David Longdon? I know I'm a bit partial but the dude was awesome!
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I didn't do this one or really follow along - but no David Longdon? I know I'm a bit partial but the dude was awesome!
My number 4 singer! Could have used your vote!
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Love the shout outs to Roy Orbison (I forgot him; he would have made mine) and Big John Cash.
I find Roy Orbison absolutely brutal to listen to.
SMH
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I didn't do this one or really follow along - but no David Longdon? I know I'm a bit partial but the dude was awesome!
My number 4 singer! Could have used your vote!
Sorry I don't always have time to participate in these things. He would've been in my top 5 as well no doubt!
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I didn't do this one or really follow along - but no David Longdon? I know I'm a bit partial but the dude was awesome!
My number 4 singer! Could have used your vote!
Sorry I don't always have time to participate in these things. He would've been in my top 5 as well no doubt!
No worries, this one was a pretty big commitment. I don't think many of the BBT fans participated, otherwise I imagine he would have had a shot to make the list. He did get a few votes besides mine though.
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Kev - thank you, as always, for running these. :metal
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I am fairly new here but even I had no trouble guessing who the votes for Brian May and Roger Taylor were coming from. Queen is far from my n. 1 band but you have to give it to them - apart from having the greatest rock singer ever, they also had the other really good vocalist. If we were to rank bands based on their average vocal competence across all members, Queen would be easy winners...
:tup
I had a list of 40 or so, with Sinatra, Collins, Bono, Steven Tyler etc, but, as others pointed out, this was a ‘favorites list’. Brian and Roger LVs added to my enjoyment of Queen LPs FIVE decades ago. I sorely missed that after ‘The Game’, and it's probably why 'Let Me Live' is one of my ten favorites, because they are ALL featured.
Those two did provide me enough on their own releases to give me three really good and very often listened to ‘best ofs’.
Off the top of my head regarding multiple lead vocalists:
The Beatles had Paul, John, and George (yeah, there was Ringo, too).
Styx with DeYoung, Shaw, and Young (I really enjoy JY's ‘Midnight Ride’, ‘Miss America’, ‘Great White Hope’, and ‘Snowblind’)
Chicago with Robert Lamm, Peter Cetera and Terry Kath.
Supertramp with Roger Hodson and Rick Davies.
Journey hit the big time with Steve Perry, but the duets with Greg Rollie on ‘Feeling That Way’ / ‘Anytime’ and ‘Just The Same Way’ took the songs to another level (how petty of the band not include those songs on their ‘Greatest Hits’ to keep Rollie from receiving additional royalties! It’s not their ‘Greatest Hits’ without those tunes :tdwn >:().
The Eagles: Frey, Henley, and Meisner and Leadon. Oh, and then there was Walsh and Schmidt
Fleetwood Mac with Buckingham, Nicks, McVie
KISS Stanley, Simmons, (Criss and Frehley to an extent)
REM Mike Miles had some good offerings with ‘Texarkana’ and ‘Love Is All Around’
A shame DeGarmo wasn’t used for changes of pace with Queensryche. I really enjoy ‘All I Want’. Variety can be a benefit.
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I am fairly new here but even I had no trouble guessing who the votes for Brian May and Roger Taylor were coming from. Queen is far from my n. 1 band but you have to give it to them - apart from having the greatest rock singer ever, they also had the other really good vocalist. If we were to rank bands based on their average vocal competence across all members, Queen would be easy winners...
:tup
I had a list of 40 or so, with Sinatra, Collins, Bono, Steven Tyler etc, but, as others pointed out, this was a ‘favorites list’. Brian and Roger LVs added to my enjoyment of Queen LPs FIVE decades ago. I sorely missed that after ‘The Game’, and it's probably why 'Let Me Live' is one of my ten favorites, because they are ALL featured.
Those two did provide me enough on their own releases to give me three really good and very often listened to ‘best ofs’.
Off the top of my head regarding multiple lead vocalists:
The Beatles had Paul, John, and George (yeah, there was Ringo, too).
Styx with DeYoung, Shaw, and Young (I really enjoy JY's ‘Midnight Ride’, ‘Miss America’, ‘Great White Hope’, and ‘Snowblind’)
Chicago with Robert Lamm, Peter Cetera and Terry Kath.
Supertramp with Roger Hodson and Rick Davies.
Journey hit the big time with Steve Perry, but the duets with Greg Rollie on ‘Feeling That Way’ / ‘Anytime’ and ‘Just The Same Way’ took the songs to another level (how petty of the band not include those songs on their ‘Greatest Hits’ to keep Rollie from receiving additional royalties! It’s not their ‘Greatest Hits’ without those tunes :tdwn >:().
The Eagles: Frey, Henley, and Meisner and Leadon. Oh, and then there was Walsh and Schmidt
Fleetwood Mac with Buckingham, Nicks, McVie
KISS Stanley, Simmons, (Criss and Frehley to an extent)
REM Mike Miles had some good offerings with ‘Texarkana’ and ‘Love Is All Around’
A shame DeGarmo wasn’t used for changes of pace with Queensryche. I really enjoy ‘All I Want’. Variety can be a benefit.
Triumph - Rik Emmitt, Gil Moore
Blue Oyster Cult - Eric Bloom, Donald Roeser (aka Buck Dharma)....and even Joe Bouchard on some songs.
Kansas - Steve Walsh, Robbie Steinhardt
Deep Purple - Glenn Hughes, David Coverdale
The Who - Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend
Ted Nugent - Ted, Derek St. Holmes
Pink Floyd - David Gilmour, Roger Waters
Interesting all of these (as well as most of the ones listed by DragonAttack) are classic, mainly hard rock bands originating from an earlier era.
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Love the shout outs to Roy Orbison (I forgot him; he would have made mine) and Big John Cash.
I find Roy Orbison absolutely brutal to listen to.
SMH
Orbison has a very distinctive voice. . . that I do not enjoy the sound of.