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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlNFpri-Y40
First official trailer has been released!
Here's the new poster as well:
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-Marc.
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Fucking dope.
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Trailer was fun.
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Trailer was REALLY good. Seems strange to say this, but after such of a mess of phase 4, I'm looking to Ant Man to restore my faith in the MCU (although Wakanda Forever looks like it could be better than the current MCU norm as well).
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Trailer was REALLY good. Seems strange to say this, but after such of a mess of phase 4, I'm looking to Ant Man to restore my faith in the MCU (although Wakanda Forever looks like it could be better than the current MCU norm as well).
The Phase Five line-up seems more promising than Phase 4:
Ant-Man And The Wasp: Quantumania - 2/17/23
Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 3 - 5/5/23
The Marvels - 7/28/23
Unknown - 11/3/23 (formerly Blade's release date)
Unknown - 2/16/24 (was once on the schedule but never assigned a film)
Captain America: New World Order - 5/3/24
Thunderbolts - 7/26/24
Blade - 9/6/24 (formerly Deadpool 3's release date)
With six known films, and all but 2 of them being sequels (though Thunderbolts could be argued as a sequel to many other things considering the cast), there's a lot of known elements in Phase Five, at least as far the films go. The Disney+ Side might be a bit more of a mixed bag:
What If...? Season 2
Secret Invasion
Echo
Loki Season 2
Ironheart
Agatha: Coven Of Chaos
Daredevil: Born Again
Actually, now that I look at all of those, they're all sequels or spin-offs with returning characters as well. I guess the theme of Phase 5 is just continuing stories and bringing characters back, probably as set-up for the next two Avengers films in Phase Six.
-Marc.
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Interesting. Ant-Man movies thus far have been more fun, less serious, in the grand scheme of things. It looks like that's about to change.
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Trailer was REALLY good. Seems strange to say this, but after such of a mess of phase 4, I'm looking to Ant Man to restore my faith in the MCU (although Wakanda Forever looks like it could be better than the current MCU norm as well).
The Phase Five line-up seems more promising than Phase 4:
Ant-Man And The Wasp: Quantumania - 2/17/23
Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 3 - 5/5/23
The Marvels - 7/28/23
Unknown - 11/3/23 (formerly Blade's release date)
Unknown - 2/16/24 (was once on the schedule but never assigned a film)
Captain America: New World Order - 5/3/24
Thunderbolts - 7/26/24
Blade - 9/6/24 (formerly Deadpool 3's release date)
Honestly, if I were just seeing then on paper and hadn't actually seen any phase 4 movies yet, I would say phase 4 looked more promising.
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Someone pointed out that aspects of Kang's technology look a lot like Shan Chi's rings and Ms. Marvel's bangle thing.
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Someone pointed out that aspects of Kang's technology look a lot like Shan Chi's rings and Ms. Marvel's bangle thing.
I've been hearing/reading those theories as well. I wouldn't be surprised if it was intentional, especially considering what was said in the Shang-Chi credits scene. I think the coming phases of films will begin to blur the lines between what is science/technological and what is mystical/magical, especially given how powerful Kang/He Who Remains has appeared to be.
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I haven't seen any theory videos but some things from the trailer made me think of Shang Chi
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I haven't seen any theory videos but some things from the trailer made me think of Shang Chi
I haven't seen videos, just pictures. But that scene of the super futuristic city that had rings going around it had markings on it that were VERY similar to the Ten Rings and the Bangle.
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Watching the trailer before BP on the big screen made me even more excited about this movie. It looked beautiful on the big screen :corn
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The Legacy of Ant Man
https://youtu.be/cRSwXvMcT5c
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Rumor has it that we are getting a new trailer on Monday, which I'm assuming is when tickets go on sale.
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Cool.
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Rumor has it that we are getting a new trailer on Monday, which I'm assuming is when tickets go on sale.
Definitely getting a trailer, it's supposed to premiere during the college football national title game.
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We are just about six weeks away from the film coming out, so it definitely makes sense that we get a second major trailer for the film!
-Marc.
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And here it is....fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WfTEZJnv_8&ab_channel=TheMarvel%26DCTheorist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WfTEZJnv_8&ab_channel=TheMarvel%26DCTheorist)
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Right?!?! Man they better not fuck this one up like they did MoM and L&T.
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It's hard not to be hyped for this movie :corn
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Right?!?! Man they better not fuck this one up like they did MoM and L&T.
I honestly thing the MCU would be done a great service by this movie being dark as fuck with a horribly tragic ending. Not kidding at all, I think the gravity of how powerful Kang is would be so much more impactful by him seriously fucking shit up in this one.
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Right?!?! Man they better not fuck this one up like they did MoM and L&T.
I honestly thing the MCU would be done a great service by this movie being dark as fuck with a horribly tragic ending. Not kidding at all, I think the gravity of how powerful Kang is would be so much more impactful by him seriously fucking shit up in this one.
You have to establish the threat…but the threat has to grow by the time we get to the 2 film Avengers finale. It will be a tap dance, but they can’t blow the whole wad on his first film appearance.
Don’t get me wrong. They definitely need to have a definitive establishment of the character. I would say that this film needs to be Kang’s “pencil trick” moment.
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The thing with Kang is that, unlike Thanos being a singular threat that commands an army, Kang's real menace comes from the fact that there are MANY versions of him. Future Kang appearances might not even be THIS version of him. The scary part is that his Dynasty could mean dozens or hundreds of Kangs coming together to wreck shit up so if the one in this film goes all out, I don't think they'll be "blowing their wad" so soon. There's a multiversal wad for the MCU to experience yet!
-Marc.
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Wow. We might have to hit the cinema for this one.
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This looks like it could be REALLY good.
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This is what I am talking about! :hefdaddy
Enough of that BS we got on Phase 4!
It seems they got this one right!
Feb 17th, here I go.
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Sick.
But they've definitely gotten to the point where I don't feel anyone is safe right now. Will Ant-Man survive this movie? No idea. Will all of the Guardians survive their movie? Unlikely.
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Right?!?! Man they better not fuck this one up like they did MoM and L&T.
I honestly thing the MCU would be done a great service by this movie being dark as fuck with a horribly tragic ending. Not kidding at all, I think the gravity of how powerful Kang is would be so much more impactful by him seriously fucking shit up in this one.
You have to establish the threat…but the threat has to grow by the time we get to the 2 film Avengers finale. It will be a tap dance, but they can’t blow the whole wad on his first film appearance.
Don’t get me wrong. They definitely need to have a definitive establishment of the character. I would say that this film needs to be Kang’s “pencil trick” moment.
I'm not saying blow the whole wad...but just don't let it be a rainbows and sunshine ending. Have someone die...let the audience know that the threat is far from over...that the over-arcing threat has in fact just begun.
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Right?!?! Man they better not fuck this one up like they did MoM and L&T.
I honestly thing the MCU would be done a great service by this movie being dark as fuck with a horribly tragic ending. Not kidding at all, I think the gravity of how powerful Kang is would be so much more impactful by him seriously fucking shit up in this one.
You have to establish the threat…but the threat has to grow by the time we get to the 2 film Avengers finale. It will be a tap dance, but they can’t blow the whole wad on his first film appearance.
Don’t get me wrong. They definitely need to have a definitive establishment of the character. I would say that this film needs to be Kang’s “pencil trick” moment.
I'm not saying blow the whole wad...but just don't let it be a rainbows and sunshine ending. Have someone die...let the audience know that the threat is far from over...that the over-arcing threat has in fact just begun.
One of the prevailing fan theories is that Scott might not make it out of this film okay, either not alive or misplaced in time. I could see either happening, which would give Cassie the push to become a Young Avenger (and she's really the last major character from that team to be realized on screen, to some degree, so it'll be neat to see if she's heading in that direction).
-Marc.
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Sick.
But they've definitely gotten to the point where I don't feel anyone is safe right now. Will Ant-Man survive this movie? No idea. Will all of the Guardians survive their movie? Unlikely.
I think this movie needs to have a dramatic ending. If Scott wins, it doesn't stablish Kang as the threat he is supposed to be. Not saying Scott needs to die, but I will not be surprised if our version of ant-man does. Maybe he will just end up lost in a different universe only to show up at a future movie.
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And for Kang to be super scary WITHIN the MCU, you might need someone to live to tell the tale. That might mean Hank and Janet die while Scott barely escapes and is able to tell the horrific story of how scary Kang really is to everyone else.
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And for Kang to be super scary WITHIN the MCU, you might need someone to live to tell the tale. That might mean Hank and Janet die while Scott barely escapes and is able to tell the horrific story of how scary Kang really is to everyone else.
Honestly I could see Hank, Janet, and Scott all dying in this. Cassie will survive for sure. Drawing a blank on The Wasp's name, but I'm reluctant to call her death in this movie, but it could happen. Their deaths would show that Kang is a major force, but their sacrifice would have to delay his plans since obviously we have many movies to go before he gets truly defeated.
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I could see Scott dying. I could also see Scott surviving, not beating Kang but escaping, and having it basically be like when Bruce crashed into the NY Sanctum and warned Thanos was coming.
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Yo, I've got a hunch that Scott's not gonna make it outta the Quantum Realm in this movie, but he'll be stuck there until at least one of the next two Avengers flicks and with all the knowledge he's accumulated in the Quantum Realm, he'll be a vital asset in taking down Kang!
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Yo, I've got a hunch that Scott's not gonna make it outta the Quantum Realm in this movie, but he'll be stuck there until at least one of the next two Avengers flicks and with all the knowledge he's accumulated in the Quantum Realm, he'll be a vital asset in taking down Kang!
Isn't that what happened in Endgame? I kinda hope they don't go that route here. Too similar.
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Yo, I've got a hunch that Scott's not gonna make it outta the Quantum Realm in this movie, but he'll be stuck there until at least one of the next two Avengers flicks and with all the knowledge he's accumulated in the Quantum Realm, he'll be a vital asset in taking down Kang!
Isn't that what happened in Endgame? I kinda hope they don't go that route here. Too similar.
Yeah, that feels too similar to his story in Endgame. Regardless of what happens, the stakes in this movie are high, higher than any phase 4 movie. I just hope they deliver the goods.
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Yo, I've got a hunch that Scott's not gonna make it outta the Quantum Realm in this movie, but he'll be stuck there until at least one of the next two Avengers flicks and with all the knowledge he's accumulated in the Quantum Realm, he'll be a vital asset in taking down Kang!
Isn't that what happened in Endgame? I kinda hope they don't go that route here. Too similar.
Yeah, that feels too similar to his story in Endgame. Regardless of what happens, the stakes in this movie are high, higher than any phase 4 movie. I just hope they deliver the goods.
At least you guys got the reference
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Yo, I've got a hunch that Scott's not gonna make it outta the Quantum Realm in this movie, but he'll be stuck there until at least one of the next two Avengers flicks and with all the knowledge he's accumulated in the Quantum Realm, he'll be a vital asset in taking down Kang!
Isn't that what happened in Endgame? I kinda hope they don't go that route here. Too similar.
Yeah, that feels too similar to his story in Endgame. Regardless of what happens, the stakes in this movie are high, higher than any phase 4 movie. I just hope they deliver the goods.
At least you guys got the reference
Was your post supposed to be a joke? If so it went right over my head. :lol
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Yo, I've got a hunch that Scott's not gonna make it outta the Quantum Realm in this movie, but he'll be stuck there until at least one of the next two Avengers flicks and with all the knowledge he's accumulated in the Quantum Realm, he'll be a vital asset in taking down Kang!
Isn't that what happened in Endgame? I kinda hope they don't go that route here. Too similar.
Yeah, that feels too similar to his story in Endgame. Regardless of what happens, the stakes in this movie are high, higher than any phase 4 movie. I just hope they deliver the goods.
At least you guys got the reference
Was your post supposed to be a joke? If so it went right over my head. :lol
Oh I get it. "Asset". :neverusethis:
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Was your post supposed to be a joke? If so it went right over my head. :lol
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"Iron Man 3: Tony Stark loses his home, his suits, the security and peace of mind he's had for so long, drastically changing his mentality towards life and the dangers of the universe.
Captain America 3: Steve Rogers loses his shield and with it his identity as Captain America, also losing his freedom and becoming a fugitive nomad in the world.
Thor 3: Thor loses Asgard, the world where he was born and grew up. He loses his father and to top it off, his best weapon, Mjolnir, is destroyed.
Spider-Man 3: Peter Parker loses his aunt, his relationship with MJ, his friendship with Ned, and even his identity, becoming someone who simply doesn't exist.
It looks like Marvel Studios likes to have their superheroes lose everything in their third movies 💔
And it seems Scott Lang will lose a lot in his third installment too 😢"
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Yo, I've got a hunch that Scott's not gonna make it outta the Quantum Realm in this movie, but he'll be stuck there until at least one of the next two Avengers flicks and with all the knowledge he's accumulated in the Quantum Realm, he'll be a vital asset in taking down Kang!
Isn't that what happened in Endgame? I kinda hope they don't go that route here. Too similar.
Not a joke but I posted the same exact thing in two different places and some where like ehh that would be cool af, but it as you pointed out it is the same formula as in previous movies and I honestly think marvel wouldn’t do it.
Yeah, that feels too similar to his story in Endgame. Regardless of what happens, the stakes in this movie are high, higher than any phase 4 movie. I just hope they deliver the goods.
At least you guys got the reference
Was your post supposed to be a joke? If so it went right over my head. :lol
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Featurette:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvTiZykN63U
:hefdaddy
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Saw this over the weekend and loved it. Regarding where other characters are, you just have to assume that they were busy with their own stuff, or they had a separate Avengers ceremony or whatever. Stopping every MCU movie to explain where everyone else is would get tedious very quickly. There are people out there complaining that the MCU is too interconnected, that they have to watch all the movies to understand what's going on.
Regarding the "ending with a big CGI battle" complaints, I'm wondering how else people expect superhero movies to end?
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Saw this over the weekend and loved it. Regarding where other characters are, you just have to assume that they were busy with their own stuff, or they had a separate Avengers ceremony or whatever. Stopping every MCU movie to explain where everyone else is would get tedious very quickly. There are people out there complaining that the MCU is too interconnected, that they have to watch all the movies to understand what's going on.
Regarding the "ending with a big CGI battle" complaints, I'm wondering how else people expect superhero movies to end?
How did you see this? It doesn't come out till next week.
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Regarding the "ending with a big CGI battle" complaints, I'm wondering how else people expect superhero movies to end?
Yeah, I often find that to be a complaint that doesn't hold much validity either. But what is related that sometimes is an issue is where the "bog CGI battle" just isn't done well. Shang Chi comes to mind. GREAT movie for the first two acts. And then is just kind of falls apart in act 3. Not because it has a big CGI battle. But because the way the battle was done undercuts the stakes the movie had built.
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Saw this over the weekend and loved it. Regarding where other characters are, you just have to assume that they were busy with their own stuff, or they had a separate Avengers ceremony or whatever. Stopping every MCU movie to explain where everyone else is would get tedious very quickly. There are people out there complaining that the MCU is too interconnected, that they have to watch all the movies to understand what's going on.
Regarding the "ending with a big CGI battle" complaints, I'm wondering how else people expect superhero movies to end?
How did you see this? It doesn't come out till next week.
There have been some press screening previews over the last couple of days, but they are invite only.
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Regarding the "ending with a big CGI battle" complaints, I'm wondering how else people expect superhero movies to end?
Yeah, I often find that to be a complaint that doesn't hold much validity either. But what is related that sometimes is an issue is where the "bog CGI battle" just isn't done well. Shang Chi comes to mind. GREAT movie for the first two acts. And then is just kind of falls apart in act 3. Not because it has a big CGI battle. But because the way the battle was done undercuts the stakes the movie had built.
I think this is mostly it. Sometimes the big CGI battle just doesn't seem necessary and distracts from the major themes of the movie or could have been done on a smaller, more personal scale. For me, generally when there are mindless hordes of CGI monsters/robots, the CGI battle detracts from the movie.
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Although considering the final battle will be taking place in the quantum realm, it's safe to assume it'll be a big CGI battle.
Also... 10 days...
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Saw this over the weekend and loved it. Regarding where other characters are, you just have to assume that they were busy with their own stuff, or they had a separate Avengers ceremony or whatever. Stopping every MCU movie to explain where everyone else is would get tedious very quickly. There are people out there complaining that the MCU is too interconnected, that they have to watch all the movies to understand what's going on.
Regarding the "ending with a big CGI battle" complaints, I'm wondering how else people expect superhero movies to end?
How did you see this? It doesn't come out till next week.
I'm a really important VIP that gets to see things early.
Or, I thought I was posting in the Wakanda Forever thread.
One or the other.
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Although considering the final battle will be taking place in the quantum realm, it's safe to assume it'll be a big CGI battle.
Also... 10 days...
Of course. For me it's not so much that there's CGI, it's more about the scale of it. If Antman and company battle it out with thousands of random monsters or something that previously didn't play a role in the movie, it will be disappointing. If they're just battling with the main foe(s) and a small group of henchmen and CGI is heavily used, that's fine with me.
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:lol
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Based on reviews it sounds like the movie succeeds in establishing Kane as the next big baddie, kicking off phase 5, and wrapping up the Ant-Man trilogy. Though it sounds like the recent MCU challenges of bloated plots and pacing issues persists here as well.
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Based on reviews it sounds like the movie succeeds in establishing Kane as the next big baddie, kicking off phase 5, and wrapping up the Ant-Man trilogy. Though it sounds like the recent MCU challenges of bloated plots and pacing issues persists here as well.
Great, so now when he appears on screen the first time, all I'm going to hear is Vince McMahon's voice yelling "THAT'S GOTTA BE KANG! THAT'S GOTTA BE KANG!!!!!"
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Based on reviews it sounds like the movie succeeds in establishing Kane as the next big baddie, kicking off phase 5, and wrapping up the Ant-Man trilogy. Though it sounds like the recent MCU challenges of bloated plots and pacing issues persists here as well.
Is he a Citizen? ;)
Also, with the film coming out this weekend, I'd like to ask that this thread be spoiler-free for a week (til February 24th) at the very least! I'm going out of town this weekend and probably won't get a chance to see the film til next week. Ah well...
-Marc.
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I got my tickets for Saturday, 11am :corn
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Based on reviews it sounds like the movie succeeds in establishing Kane as the next big baddie, kicking off phase 5, and wrapping up the Ant-Man trilogy. Though it sounds like the recent MCU challenges of bloated plots and pacing issues persists here as well.
Is he a Citizen? ;)
Also, with the film coming out this weekend, I'd like to ask that this thread be spoiler-free for a week (til February 24th) at the very least! I'm going out of town this weekend and probably won't get a chance to see the film til next week. Ah well...
-Marc.
Same.
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I got my tickets for Saturday, 11am :corn
I'm on for 6:10pm Thursday :metal
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I have to drop my son off at an event at 6:00 on Saturday. It goes until 10:00, but he can leave when he wants. There is a showing of Ant Man at 7:00 down the street. It'd be done by 9:20 or so I'd imagine. I've already committed to picking him up within 20 minutes if he wants to go. I'm going to be hanging out near the event most likely anyway instead of driving 30 minutes home. Do I go and risk that he texts me in the middle of the movie and wants to be picked up?
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I have tickets for tomorrow 7.30pm
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Early reviews aren't very impressive, sitting on 55% on rotten tomatoes - which I believe is the second worst in the MCU.
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Yeah, I have to admit I am immediately turned off from even going to see this movie when I see how poor the reviews are.
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I got my tickets for Saturday, 11am :corn
I'm on for 6:10pm Thursday :metal
Can't make the Saturday showing anymore, do actually changed my ticket for Thursday at 6:15 :metal
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I got my tickets for Saturday, 11am :corn
I'm on for 6:10pm Thursday :metal
Can't make the Saturday showing anymore, do actually changed my ticket for Thursday at 6:15 :metal
And since you are east coast, you'll be seeing it 3 hours before me :metal
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Early reviews aren't very impressive, sitting on 55% on rotten tomatoes - which I believe is the second worst in the MCU.
RT scores before it's open is a meaningless score.
But yes, the reviews have been mixed for sure. Not much purely negative, just a good amount of blah.
I'm seeing it tomorrow at 6, but from what I've read, it boils (largely) down to two things.
1) MCU being MCU. This is movie 31. So people are getting bored of MCU doing the same thing they keep doing. The hits work by and large, but we might be looking for something new. A new tone, a new style, a new voice, but they keep doing the same thing by and large. It's like the comments in the Kamelot thread. New song is exactly like other songs. People who love that thing enjoy the song, other people can enjoy the song to a degree but are getting bored hearing the same thing over and over.
2) MCU is getting lost in the big picture. If this movie (and I'm sure it will) won't make full sense until 2025 when we see everything else, then it's hard to enjoy right now. They may be too focused on the big picture, forgetting that we're not privy to it and we still need to enjoy the movie as a movie and not JUST a piece of a puzzle. Ideally, it would be both.
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Early reviews aren't very impressive, sitting on 55% on rotten tomatoes - which I believe is the second worst in the MCU.
RT scores before it's open is a meaningless score.
But yes, the reviews have been mixed for sure. Not much purely negative, just a good amount of blah.
I'm seeing it tomorrow at 6, but from what I've read, it boils (largely) down to two things.
1) MCU being MCU. This is movie 31. So people are getting bored of MCU doing the same thing they keep doing. The hits work by and large, but we might be looking for something new. A new tone, a new style, a new voice, but they keep doing the same thing by and large. It's like the comments in the Kamelot thread. New song is exactly like other songs. People who love that thing enjoy the song, other people can enjoy the song to a degree but are getting bored hearing the same thing over and over.
2) MCU is getting lost in the big picture. If this movie (and I'm sure it will) won't make full sense until 2025 when we see everything else, then it's hard to enjoy right now. They may be too focused on the big picture, forgetting that we're not privy to it and we still need to enjoy the movie as a movie and not JUST a piece of a puzzle. Ideally, it would be both.
A fair few point towards a general lack of fun in this one.
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That's fair. I'll find out tomorrow!
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The few things I see repeatedly in the reviews that intrigue me... Jonathan Majors slays as Kang, and this is by far the most sci-fi heavy MCU film to date. Also hearing good things about MODOK...
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The few things I see repeatedly in the reviews that intrigue me... Jonathan Majors slays as Kang, and this is by far the most sci-fi heavy MCU film to date. Also hearing good things about MODOK...
I've heard two of those things. I haven't heard anything good about MODOK yet though. But MODOK is a WEIRD character and I'll be as open minded as possible.
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I think we all knew Majors would crush it going into this anyways. He was unbelievable in Lovecraft Country, and his small bit in Loki was such a good teaser of things to come.
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There was a review that basically said "If you can ignore the plot.. bla bla bla" and at the end the rating was 4/5. I'm sorry but you can't say "just ignore the most important part of a movie and it's 4/5" almost giving it a perfect score. :lol
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There was a review that basically said "If you can ignore the plot.. bla bla bla" and at the end the rating was 4/5. I'm sorry but you can't say "just ignore the most important part of a movie and it's 4/5" almost giving it a perfect score. :lol
So basically for them, Plot only accou ts for 1/5th of a film score? What are the other four fifths - acting performances, special effects, cinematography/direction, and music? :lol
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Watched this last night.
I’ll say this: never base your movie experience through some pompous online "critic", Rotten Tomatoes has been irrelevant for years.
Other than MODOK, it was great. MODOK's story was totally irrelevant, plus the VFX for him were meh.
To me, Jonatan Majors performance stole the show.
I am glad they didn’t went ALL in with Kang’s powers on this one. There’s too much to be unveiled until we get to Kangs Dinasty.
PS: one mid credit and one post credit scene. The last one being my favorite.
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I'm going to try and catch this in the theater. Still need to watch the last Black Panther.
I could care less what critics say. Some of my favorite movies have been destroyed by critics so if they hate it, I'll most likely love it.
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I'm going to try and catch this in the theater. Still need to watch the last Black Panther.
I could care less what critics say. Some of my favorite movies have been destroyed by critics so if they hate it, I'll most likely love it.
Totally.
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Thought it was alright. I like Paul Rudd and Jonathan Majors was great as the bad guy. Did not care that much for how hard this tried to bring Star Wars and Guardians of the Galaxy vibes, and in my opinion it's almost a disappointment that from a creative standpoint you make the quantum realm look like a place that might as well be planets in space featured in the Guardians movies. Just felt like a missed opportunity that this place didn't feel more unique/different. Story was eh, didn't really care for Cassie that much. MODOK was just played for laughs.
Overall it was okay. Had a decent time but won't rush to re-watch it anytime soon. Still kinda surprised we already got through Phase 4 because it feels like nothing really happened at all and the movies were mostly in the bottom third of the MCU films.
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Sitting at the movies :corn
Edit: :tup liked it
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Thoroughly enjoyed it. Not fantastic, but a good deal of fun. Majors was soooooo good.
Edit-that final post credit scene though :omg:
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Similar to Lonestar, but I did have a lot of problems with the script. Still enjoyed it very much. Would probably place it around the same as Black Widow or so, below Shang-Chi, Spider-man, and Wakanda Forever but way above Thor 4, Doc 2, and Eternals.
I'll go into much more when we can discuss spoilers but their writers are becoming a huge let down. I think their trend of hiring TV writers for their movies these days is proving to be a mistake. It may have worked with a few people in the past, but I think at this point they need to hire movie writers.
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Similar to Lonestar, but I did have a lot of problems with the script. Still enjoyed it very much. Would probably place it around the same as Black Widow or so, below Shang-Chi, Spider-man, and Wakanda Forever but way above Thor 4, Doc 2, and Eternals.
I'll go into much more when we can discuss spoilers but their writers are becoming a huge let down. I think their trend of hiring TV writers for their movies these days is proving to be a mistake. It may have worked with a few people in the past, but I think at this point they need to hire movie writers.
Agree, while I liked the movie, is definitely far from great, and part of that could have been fixed with some tweaks to the script.
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As a fan of these characters and being highly invested in the MCU I enjoyed this movie enough, but objectively I understand the negatives coming out around this one - it honestly isn't a very good stand alone movie. Probably need a rewatch to properly place this, but I'm thinking it's better than Iron Man 2 and Eternals - but not much higher than that (bit like ant-man 2). Weak start to Phase 5, not even that sold on Kang (love the actor, no issue with the performance) just not sold on the character yet.
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We'll expand on the character of Kang once the spoiler ban is lifted, they left that story wide open.
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As a fan of these characters and being highly invested in the MCU I enjoyed this movie enough, but objectively I understand the negatives coming out around this one - it honestly isn't a very good stand alone movie. Probably need a rewatch to properly place this, but I'm thinking it's better than Iron Man 2 and Eternals - but not much higher than that (bit like ant-man 2). Weak start to Phase 5, not even that sold on Kang (love the actor, no issue with the performance) just not sold on the character yet.
I don’t think that criticism of Kang is warranted. If “slow build” and “growing threat” is the goal, then you absolutely do NOT want anything more than a mild taste for his first major motion picture appearance. I won’t be seeing it til tomorrow, but if I got anything more than a “tease” of his character strength at this early stage, I’d be disappointed. I want to see his capabilities gradually revealed over several movies.
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As a fan of these characters and being highly invested in the MCU I enjoyed this movie enough, but objectively I understand the negatives coming out around this one - it honestly isn't a very good stand alone movie. Probably need a rewatch to properly place this, but I'm thinking it's better than Iron Man 2 and Eternals - but not much higher than that (bit like ant-man 2). Weak start to Phase 5, not even that sold on Kang (love the actor, no issue with the performance) just not sold on the character yet.
I don’t think that criticism of Kang is warranted. If “slow build” and “growing threat” is the goal, then you absolutely do NOT want anything more than a mild taste for his first major motion picture appearance. I won’t be seeing it til tomorrow, but if I got anything more than a “tease” of his character strength at this early stage, I’d be disappointed. I want to see his capabilities gradually revealed over several movies.
No spoilers just think the character was sold short in the rather tame ending to this movie. All setup, little payoff - which is why I said it's not a great stand alone movie.
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As a fan of these characters and being highly invested in the MCU I enjoyed this movie enough, but objectively I understand the negatives coming out around this one - it honestly isn't a very good stand alone movie. Probably need a rewatch to properly place this, but I'm thinking it's better than Iron Man 2 and Eternals - but not much higher than that (bit like ant-man 2). Weak start to Phase 5, not even that sold on Kang (love the actor, no issue with the performance) just not sold on the character yet.
I don’t think that criticism of Kang is warranted. If “slow build” and “growing threat” is the goal, then you absolutely do NOT want anything more than a mild taste for his first major motion picture appearance. I won’t be seeing it til tomorrow, but if I got anything more than a “tease” of his character strength at this early stage, I’d be disappointed. I want to see his capabilities gradually revealed over several movies.
No spoilers just think the character was sold short in the rather tame ending to this movie. All setup, little payoff - which is why I said it's not a great stand alone movie.
Within this movie, I actually agree. Maybe it will be completely recontextualized later, but right now, with this movie, I agree. I get that Marvel needs to set up the next 5 movies and that doesn't bother me, but it can't be at the expense of the movie at hand. I don't care if you need to have seen 30 other movies to fully get this one, but I need to walk away from this one feeling a sense of satisfaction and completion and I didn't.
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That's what she said.
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That's what she said.
It's true. :-[
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In the theater now. Movie starting in 20 minutes.
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That movie was fantastic! You’re all high!
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Also, I might have mentioned this before, but Michelle Pfiefer is 10 times more beautiful at 60 than she was at 30.
But I do have a thing about long silver hair. Hate it when older women cut their hair short (often giving the excuse that “long hair is for the young.”)
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Also, I might have mentioned this before, but Michelle Pfiefer is 10 times more beautiful at 60 than she was at 30.
I'm right there with ya. She looked incredible.
I enjoyed it thoroughly. I think I'm mostly in line with Zantera's assessment. I didn't like the treatment of MODOK. But I didn't mind that the Quantum Realm was actually a place / society, and not simply what we saw/knew of it in the two prior movies.
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Also, I might have mentioned this before, but Michelle Pfiefer is 10 times more beautiful at 60 than she was at 30.
I'm right there with ya. She looked incredible.
I enjoyed it thoroughly. I think I'm mostly in line with Zantera's assessment. I didn't like the treatment of MODOK. But I didn't mind that the Quantum Realm was actually a place / society, and not simply what we saw/knew of it in the two prior movies.
I didn’t love everything about MODOK but I really came around on him. Despite the fact that he could be better.
I had issues with the plot and general script.
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Was he different in the comic? Because I’m genuinely not having an issue. I thought he managed to strike a fine balance of genuine threat and comic relief.
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Saw this last night. It felt like a cartoon. I prefer the MCU films more grounded in reality, but plot-wise it was fine. Majors did a great job as others have said. MODOK was pretty stupid, IMO, but I have no comic book knowledge of what he's supposed to be. Over-all a lower-middle of the pack movie in the MCU, which pretty much means entertaining and enjoyable, but nothing that really stands out or demands to be rewatched.
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I caught a showing on Thursday and overall I enjoyed it but I wouldn't put it in a top tier for MCU movies. No major issues with the story and the cast was solid. Jonathan Majors was great, can't wait to see him continue on with various versions of Kang over the next few years. I didn't mind MODOK, but I don't know the source material at all so I didn't have any expectations going in.
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Saw this last night after getting home from vacation. Definitely a FUN movie, if a bit whacky at times. I found myself suspending my disbelief more than a few times, but honestly, that's part for the course for the Ant-Man films.
Kang/Majors is a delight, and I'm excited to see more of him in the future.
As for spoiler talk, I will open the thread to full spoilers starting tomorrow, as it'll have been a week since release last Thursday, so if anyone wants to post any more NON-SPOILER thoughts or reviews, do it by tomorrow afternoon/evening! Spoiler-talk will begin by tomorrow night!
-Marc.
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Thought it was alright. I like Paul Rudd and Jonathan Majors was great as the bad guy. Did not care that much for how hard this tried to bring Star Wars and Guardians of the Galaxy vibes, and in my opinion it's almost a disappointment that from a creative standpoint you make the quantum realm look like a place that might as well be planets in space featured in the Guardians movies. Just felt like a missed opportunity that this place didn't feel more unique/different. Story was eh, didn't really care for Cassie that much. MODOK was just played for laughs.
Overall it was okay. Had a decent time but won't rush to re-watch it anytime soon. Still kinda surprised we already got through Phase 4 because it feels like nothing really happened at all and the movies were mostly in the bottom third of the MCU films.
Agree with this. I had fun at the theater, but the setting felt very uninspired. I didn't feel like the Quantum Realm was a real place, in the end, but more like a disappointing, one-region open world video game.
But, I did have a good time seeing it in the theaters, and there were some fun surprises.
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Spoiler-talk will begin by tomorrow night!
Guess we are good to discuss?
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Spoiler-talk will begin by tomorrow night!
Guess we are good to discuss?
Darren was in fact, a dick.
I was disappointed that the 'high stakes' only came to pass via the mid-credit scene. They could've/should've left Scott and Hope in the Quantum realm for the time being, or killed off Cassie. I mean, with all the multi-verses opening up, it's easy enough to bring any character back at any time.
Also, minor nit ... how do Cassie and Scott 'open up' their helmets when in giant form? That kinda bugged me (pun not intended).
I'll never understand why bad-guys, who intend to kill their captives, don't just fucking kill them straight away. And Kang could've just taken Scott's 'schrinking' discs away from him in order to get his power sphere, couldn't he. I enjoyed the movie, but there were just a handful of 'c'mon' moments.
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Spoiler-talk will begin by tomorrow night!
Guess we are good to discuss?
Just changed the thread title to reflect spoilers will now be allowed! Feel free to post your spoiler-y thoughts and reviews now!!
My quick spoiler-thoughts - I feel like this film was written as a vehicle for Kang, and not that that's necessarily a BAD thing, but it felt just as much his film as it did Scott Lang's. I feel like the trailers built up the Dad/Daughter dynamic a lot more than the film let on, and while there were some tender moments between Scott and Cassie, I feel like it could've been the whole focus of the film, or just daughters in general (though that much would've been a retread of themes from the first two films). I feel like Hope took a back seat in this film, and had less memorable moments than even her parents.
More later, as I just got in to work, but over-all, I enjoyed it, but it wasn't what I had hoped or expected it to be. Maybe I'll change my mind in the future with more rewatches but as it stands, it's in the upper-mid tier for me.
-Marc.
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Spoiler-talk will begin by tomorrow night!
Guess we are good to discuss?
Darren was in fact, a dick.
I was disappointed that the 'high stakes' only came to pass via the mid-credit scene. They could've/should've left Scott and Hope in the Quantum realm for the time being, or killed off Cassie. I mean, with all the multi-verses opening up, it's easy enough to bring any character back at any time.
Also, minor nit ... how do Cassie and Scott 'open up' their helmets when in giant form? That kinda bugged me (pun not intended).
I'll never understand why bad-guys, who intend to kill their captives, don't just fucking kill them straight away. And Kang could've just taken Scott's 'schrinking' discs away from him in order to get his power sphere, couldn't he. I enjoyed the movie, but there were just a handful of 'c'mon' moments.
With you on all that.
I asked myself why Kang just didn't kill Janet after she messed up his plans for the second time, but I ended up with the conclusion that this Kang is not really "evil". The way he described things, he wanted the same thing as He Who Remains, and he just wanted to achieve his goal by any means necessary, similar to Thanos. There were A LOT of similarities to Thanos with this Kang.
An issue with this movie is that beyond Paul Rudd and Mayors, the acting was not great, and just awkward at time, with strange choice in dialogue lines. Some of the plot lines were written poorly. Also, I agree that you never really feel the high stakes in this movie until it is over. Which is not a bad thing in its own (Marvel playing the long game with Kang), but before the movie came out, I seriously thought we were going to see Scott die. I'm glad they didn't get stuck in the Quantum Realm (Too similar to the end of Ant-Man 2).
But overall, I enjoyed this movie, with its flaws and all. I don't believe for a second that this is the end of this version of Kang. The ending was eerie. I want to re-watch the movie but the ending felt similar to the ending of Loki S1, where Loki was back in the TVA but things weren't the same.
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I enjoyed the movie, but there were just a handful of 'c'mon' moments.
Yeah, that's exactly how I feel (although we may have different specifics on why). Good movie. I enjoyed it. But some moments that were, as you said, "c'mon, man!" type moments.
...I ended up with the conclusion that this Kang is not really "evil". The way he described things, he wanted the same thing as He Who Remains, and he just wanted to achieve his goal by any means necessary, similar to Thanos.
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I don't believe for a second that this is the end of this version of Kang.
Too early to tell, of course, but I think this version of Kang is He Who Remains, and is still alive. I think it's a variant that is earlier along the journey, and is set to unleash Alioth to win the multiversal war and become He Who Remains later on. Too many similarities. But I guess we'll see.
A completely unrelated minor annoyance I had was that Scott has been to the quantum realm before, but didn't get any inkling that anything we saw in this movie existed. I think the idea is that it is a vast place, and they only ended up where they did in this film because Modok drew them to that specific location in the QR. But I think that needed to be explained just a bit.
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I enjoyed the movie, but there were just a handful of 'c'mon' moments.
Yeah, that's exactly how I feel (although we may have different specifics on why). Good movie. I enjoyed it. But some moments that were, as you said, "c'mon, man!" type moments.
...I ended up with the conclusion that this Kang is not really "evil". The way he described things, he wanted the same thing as He Who Remains, and he just wanted to achieve his goal by any means necessary, similar to Thanos.
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I don't believe for a second that this is the end of this version of Kang.
Too early to tell, of course, but I think this version of Kang is He Who Remains, and is still alive. I think it's a variant that is earlier along the journey, and is set to unleash Alioth to win the multiversal war and become He Who Remains later on. Too many similarities. But I guess we'll see.
A completely unrelated minor annoyance I had was that Scott has been to the quantum realm before, but didn't get any inkling that anything we saw in this movie existed. I think the idea is that it is a vast place, and they only ended up where they did in this film because Modok drew them to that specific location in the QR. But I think that needed to be explained just a bit.
I believe the explanation is that Scott was stuck in a Time Vortex in the Quantum Realm, which is why he experienced only 5 hours in the course of 5 years between AMATW and Endgame. He wasn't in the "main" QR area that Quantumania takes place. Likewise, the ants that got sucked in in Quantumania were also in some sort of time vortex where time dilated to the point where they experiences thousands of years in a matter of a day, so time is definitely very whacky down there. I almost wish they had played with that a bit more in the film.
Going back to things I like, I really enjoyed the scene with the thousands of Scotts. Visually it was spectacular, and I'm sure Paul Rudd had a blast doing all those versions of himself. Same goes for Majors and that mid-credits scene, which is why I will watch on repeat once it hits Disney+.
-Marc.
-Marc.
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They could've/should've left Scott and Hope in the Quantum realm for the time being...
So, I just read that Marvel reshot the ending, and initially this is exactly what it was supposed to happened
https://thedirect.com/article/ant-man-quantumania-ending-changed-reshoots
As with anything with leaks, take it with a grain of salt, but the fact that they did reshoots so close to release is a bit...weird.
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This movie wasn’t vey good.
I’m not into the Marvel lore so I don’t know anything about Kang. What I do know is that the writing and directing of this film was awful. The forced humor did not work. Too much Cassie. Evangeline Lilly’s performance was laughable. The MODOK/dick thing was stupid.
I’m sure the writing team tried but it was about as generic a script and dialogue as one would expect from a made for Sy-Fy channel movie.
4/10.
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Was thinking about the point today about whether Ant Man should have "beaten" Kang. I...don't really have a big problem with it like some do. Yeah, he shouldn't be able to win. But Kang got arrogant and underestimated Scott AND Scott got lucky. I don't have a problem with that. And I think the MCU is going to kind of underpower Kang a bit, and I'm cool with that too. Have his power come from his tech, and he himself be not much more than a regular dude. I think that's where they are going, and that's fine. And if not, and it is just a case of MCU characters fluctuating wildly between overpowered, underpowered, and in between, that's not a new problem.
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This movie wasn’t vey good.
I’m not into the Marvel lore so I don’t know anything about Kang. What I do know is that the writing and directing of this film was awful. The forced humor did not work. Too much Cassie. Evangeline Lilly’s performance was laughable. The MODOK/dick thing was stupid.
I’m sure the writing team tried but it was about as generic a script and dialogue as one would expect from a made for Sy-Fy channel movie.
4/10.
How much of that is Paul Rudd? I'm not really on the Paul Rudd bandwagon, frankly. He's okay in some things, but I tire of him really quickly. He strikes me as one of those guys - Jonah Hill is another,Seth Rogan is a third - whose persona is really cool - he's a nerd! He likes Rush! - but in real life is a dick.
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I’ve never seen one shred of anything to indicate th at Paul Rudd is a dick in real life.
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I’ve never seen one shred of anything to indicate th at Paul Rudd is a dick in real life.
Yeah, that claim came as a bit of a shock to me as well.
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I’ve never seen one shred of anything to indicate th at Paul Rudd is a dick in real life.
Yeah, that claim came as a bit of a shock to me as well.
I'm not claiming he is. I'm not saying he is or he isn't. I've never met him, and I don't usually call people dicks unless I've met them and they've been a dick to me. I'm just saying "strikes me"; I was trying to say why I wasn't really on the Paul Rudd bandwagon. I know a lot of people love him and that's cool.
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Maybe you should've added 'strikes me' in your post then.
And Jonah Hill is about as amazing a person in real life as you can imagine. He stayed at my hotel when Moneyball was being filmed, and constantly hung out at our restaurant, just being as chill as fuck to everyone. Fantastic dude.
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Maybe you should've added 'strikes me' in your post then.
He did.
Still odd but that’s Stadler’s thing. I’m still a huge Rudd fan. Couldn’t care much about Hill or Rogan though.
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Maybe you should've added 'strikes me' in your post then.
He did.
Still odd but that’s Stadler’s thing. I’m still a huge Rudd fan. Couldn’t care much about Hill or Rogan though.
Huh, missed that first time around. My bad.
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So I'd have to say Ant Man 3 is the biggest disappointment in the MCU so far. Phase 4 could be classed as a pallette cleanser a chance to reset and experiment, but this was supposed to be the start of the next big saga, but it failed - the film is a mess (both in visuals and plot ) and it completely fails it landing with a shrug of an ending.
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Maybe you should've added 'strikes me' in your post then.
And Jonah Hill is about as amazing a person in real life as you can imagine. He stayed at my hotel when Moneyball was being filmed, and constantly hung out at our restaurant, just being as chill as fuck to everyone. Fantastic dude.
See, I respect that. That's awesome. I'm glad you had that experience (I had something vaguely similar with Gene Simmons).
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So I think this movie suffered from (among other things) the fact that it was doing so many unnecessary things at the expense of the characters.
What was Scott's arc? He missed his daughter and wanted to get closer to her again. That was BARELY in the movie.
What was Cassie's arc? I dunno, that she's some TV cliche liberal idealist and is dumb enough to let those ideals constantly put her and others in danger because she doesn't know any better?
What was Hank's arc? Nothing.
What was Janet's arc? I have no idea. She helped Kang accidentally and then regretted and also banged some dudes?
Was Hope in this movie? Cause her character was essentially a background player the whole time.
Did we need an entire lengthy scene of Janet and Hank meeting Bill Murray and stuff? Nope. Unnecessary and added nothing but a cameo. Did we need half the stuff this movie did? Nope. It was goofy sci-fi for the sake of having goofy sci fi stuff. It felt very Rick and Morty but that didn't do THIS movie any benefit.
Also, Kang is not being much of a baddy. When we met Thanos in Avengers (1) he had a 2 second scene looking sinister. That's it. In Guardians he had a few minutes being angry. Etc etc.
Kang? First time we seem him he gets killed by female Loki just kind of stabbing him. Second time? Gets killed (presumably) by Ant-Man....ANT MAN...and a bunch of ants.
And I'm supposed to be scared? Of what? The NEXT Kang? You can't keep telling us to be scared of the thing we haven't seen yet when what we HAVE seen has been easily dispatched.
So what are we supposed to be building to? A CGI army of a character that keeps dying? A different version of a character that keeps getting beaten? It's just not interesting.
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Just realised the writer of this is also going to be the writer of Avengers : The Kang Dynasty. :huh:
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Just realised the writer of this is also going to be the writer of Avengers : The Kang Dynasty. :huh:
Not necessarily a bad thing. Remember the dudes who wrote Endgame, Infinity War, Winter Soldier, and Civil War also wrote Dark World.
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Just realised the writer of this is also going to be the writer of Avengers : The Kang Dynasty. :huh:
Not necessarily a bad thing. Remember the dudes who wrote Endgame, Infinity War, Winter Soldier, and Civil War also wrote Dark World.
To be fair to Marcus/McFeely, The Dark World also had Yost as a screenwriter. But also fair to Yost, he came back and co-wrote Ragnarok, soooo...
I mean, Waldron also did Loki, but then Multiverse Of Madness, and is now writing Avengers: Secret Wars.
A lot of these returning writers have had ups and downs with mixed reactions, so I don't think we can really judge how their future projects will turn out until we see them.
I also think that Feige and company know how big and important these next two Avengers films will be, so they're not going to take them lightly.
-Marc.
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Just realised the writer of this is also going to be the writer of Avengers : The Kang Dynasty. :huh:
Not necessarily a bad thing. Remember the dudes who wrote Endgame, Infinity War, Winter Soldier, and Civil War also wrote Dark World.
Don't you think Dark World issues are more in bland direction than the script though?
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Finally saw this yesterday.
It definitely wasn't the strongest film in the roster, but it was fun, and did a good job of introducing Kang. Loved the shot of the Council of Cross-Time Kangs in the mid credits, and the shot in the post credit scene.
If this movie had come out in Phase 2, people would be loving it.
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Just realised the writer of this is also going to be the writer of Avengers : The Kang Dynasty. :huh:
Not necessarily a bad thing. Remember the dudes who wrote Endgame, Infinity War, Winter Soldier, and Civil War also wrote Dark World.
To be fair to Marcus/McFeely, The Dark World also had Yost as a screenwriter. But also fair to Yost, he came back and co-wrote Ragnarok, soooo...
I mean, Waldron also did Loki, but then Multiverse Of Madness, and is now writing Avengers: Secret Wars.
A lot of these returning writers have had ups and downs with mixed reactions, so I don't think we can really judge how their future projects will turn out until we see them.
I also think that Feige and company know how big and important these next two Avengers films will be, so they're not going to take them lightly.
-Marc.
Just goes to show that not everything we might love or hate about a film is solely on the writer. Or solely on the director. Or solely on ___. It is a collaborative effort, and things can work or not work for a variety of reasons.
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Watched this tonight (as was the only idea we had and didn't want to get into an indecision loop).
It was a lot, visually, and a lot of that was pretty amazing.
None of the action or plot had weight or excitement for me. I liked the slow build of dread about Kang but ultimately had no clue of his motivation to generally genocide the shit outta stuff so not a terrific baddie, despite a charismatic performance, and he was eventually defeated by a fist fight with ant man so...
Love Paul Rudd. In all, it was pretty poor. i think that was my last MCU movie. Will be watching the animated Sony Spider Verse one though.
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I rewatched it over the weekend, I saw it at the cinema and walked out thinking it was a candidate for worst MCU film. The rewatch didn't change my opinion much, but I did notice that Douglas seemed permanently confused (and I mean Douglas not the character) and Lilly completely checked out of that movie - her performance is so phoned in (not that they gave her anything to do really).