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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: LithoJazzoSphere on August 09, 2022, 01:49:56 PM
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It seems like an ongoing thread like this should exist, that isn't necessarily tied to a specific genre, artist, album, or song (though it might be prompted by one). Sometimes I get spontaneous ideas I want to talk about, but they don't necessarily fit into any existing thread, and maybe they don't seem quite noteworthy enough to merit their own thread (though perhaps some of them could). So I figure it's time to give this a go and see if others feel similarly about the idea.
Anyway, one for the moment is that it vexes me how spread out material can be from some artists. In particular, some artists have tracks that to my knowledge are not on any other album or even an EP. Sometimes I like these cuts more than most songs on their full albums. I think this is only going to continue to grow worse with streaming and such, where units of individual consumption are smaller. This is a separate idea from the importance of the album as a whole. I just hate the idea that when I think about my favorite albums from artists, I can't factor in these individual fantastic songs. Not counting EPs has already been challenging enough at times. And some people don't count bonus tracks as part of the album proper, so that's another wrinkle. It all adds to the aura of liking a particular artist, but we talk so much about favorite albums, it can be nettling.
A more positive one is the joy of discovering that a song you've loved for a long time has a cool music video or well-shot live video that you previously didn't know existed.
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Re: songs not in albums, I agree that we will start seeing it more and more moving forward, but this isn't something new. It has been happening in other genres for a while.
I personally don't mind if a song is not included in an album or EP, but sometimes that makes it harder to "discover" I guess.
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Re: songs not in albums, I agree that we will start seeing it more and more moving forward, but this isn't something new. It has been happening in other genres for a while.
I personally don't mind if a song is not included in an album or EP, but sometimes that makes it harder to "discover" I guess.
Yeah, I know it's not new, it just seems to be getting more and more common. My absolute favorites I don't worry about too much, I'm more likely to periodically revisit their B-sides and such anyway to mine additional depth from their discography. It's the next tier or two of bands that might have amazing songs I've missed out on because I haven't scoured their catalogs. I run across those songs on occasion and keep wondering what else I've overlooked. It's endless FOMO.
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I'm something of a completist, and I too often like b-sides and obscure songs as much or more than the conventional album tracks. Nothing bugs me more than when there's a "comprehensive" re-release and some of those songs aren't on there (the Genesis Archive sets, Ozzy's release of Blizzard/Diary). I applaud bands like Genesis (with the box sets) or Iron Maiden, where everything is out there.
I'm not a HUGE fan of the material, but I've been hoping Noel Gallagher makes a compilation on CD of his recent digital EPs.
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I'm something of a completist, and I too often like b-sides and obscure songs as much or more than the conventional album tracks. Nothing bugs me more than when there's a "comprehensive" re-release and some of those songs aren't on there (the Genesis Archive sets, Ozzy's release of Blizzard/Diary). I applaud bands like Genesis (with the box sets) or Iron Maiden, where everything is out there.
See, I would put Iron Maiden in the category of bands where not everything is out there, if "out there" means readily available. Yes, they released a compilation of b-sides... as a limited release... 20 years ago.
As a general rule, not a fan of limited releases. Obviously not everything can be in print all the time. But when bands specifically limit the quantity of something they produce and guarantee that it's only available for a short period of time, I find that frustrating—especially when it's not just something "nice to have" for the most intense of die-hards (like, say, additional live shows featuring mainly songs that have gotten live releases elsewhere), but exclusive material that would be of interest to any fan.
I think it especially shows a lack of consideration for the fans of the future. When Eddie's Archive (Maiden) got its one and only limited release, I was... in first grade. So I've been a fan of the band for over 10 years, bought a ton of music and merchandise from them, bought concert tickets multiple times... and I cannot access the music on that release without paying an insane amount on the secondary market, streaming it on YouTube or pirating it. I just don't think there's a good justification for that.
I have the same frustration with Coheed and Cambria. They did a concert series where they played each of their first four albums in full, and then released it on a CD/DVD box set... that was limited run, before I became a fan of the band. I would pay the band a profitable amount if they sold this set again, but I don't think they ever will because the implication of "limited edition" is "no re-release, ever." Instead I guess I just... probably never will own it, because I'm not paying the typical secondary market price.
Kind of the same with Cleaning out the Closet, although fanclub and limited edition are slightly different. Most of the DT fanclub releases fall for me into the category of "yeah, this might be nice to have, but even as a highly invested fan, I don't need it." But CotC is different, and by making that a limited fanclub release, they basically said "if you're not currently a fan right now in 1999, there are a bunch of rare and exclusive songs that you can never legally own without paying triple digits on eBay."
I think the idea behind limited edition is partly to do something special for the most devoted fans and partly a marketing tactic to boost demand and convince people to pay a higher price. But I suspect a lot of artists who do it end up leaving money on the table long-term, and they're keeping some of their music out of the hands of newer fans.
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An observation for today. After making all kinds of lists off and on (my whole life really, but even more so since the pandemic, and in particular a spate of them in the last few months), I've been trying to create an ultimate 100 favorite songs list (loosely one per artist). I started from around 1,800 candidates and whittled that down to 300 a few months ago. Over the last few days I've done another round and got that down to 210 or so. But now my brain is mush, and I'm at a complete roadblock to trimming further. It's difficult to do even do tiers of them, and it's so hard to compare them, since they have such wildly different structures and aesthetics. My work is saved, so I might just have to give it a rest and look at it with fresh eyes later (maybe weeks or months).
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why I suck at making Ranked lists of Songs, especially an all-time list.
Maybe the alternative is just make an ongoing, almost neverending/unlimited list, and don't rank them. Maybe order them chronologically or A-Z or something.
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Yeah, ranking them is like the 9th circle of hell. The 100 albums collage was hard enough, but once you get to the level of songs, you're comparing whether something you'd rate 99.xx is better than 99.yy, and I have to just start looking around for dice or a coin to absolve myself of responsibility for such granular distinctions. Eek. Most of the time I can do tiers, but by that point alphabetical is just easier.
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I'm something of a completist, and I too often like b-sides and obscure songs as much or more than the conventional album tracks. Nothing bugs me more than when there's a "comprehensive" re-release and some of those songs aren't on there (the Genesis Archive sets, Ozzy's release of Blizzard/Diary). I applaud bands like Genesis (with the box sets) or Iron Maiden, where everything is out there.
See, I would put Iron Maiden in the category of bands where not everything is out there, if "out there" means readily available. Yes, they released a compilation of b-sides... as a limited release... 20 years ago.
If the criteria is 'readily available', you're probably more right than I am, though most everything can be had without paying TOO much. It's just you'll have 30 individual CDs, not one compilation. Yes, the B-sides comp was less than satisfying. :)
Kind of the same with Cleaning out the Closet, although fanclub and limited edition are slightly different. Most of the DT fanclub releases fall for me into the category of "yeah, this might be nice to have, but even as a highly invested fan, I don't need it." But CotC is different, and by making that a limited fanclub release, they basically said "if you're not currently a fan right now in 1999, there are a bunch of rare and exclusive songs that you can never legally own without paying triple digits on eBay."
I have both, and for the most part, I think most of the Fan Club stuff - at least the studio stuff - is available, but again, maybe not in a one-stop compilation. You have to have the Ytsejam stuff, and with the break in the action there for a couple years, that was hard to do.
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Music Documentaries:
King Crimson
King's X
Led Zeppelin
the only 1 of these 3 documentaries I think will be available relatively soon is the King's X doc. The Crimson and Zeppelin docs are done, but have no distributor at this point. Both were finished years ago and screened at festivals within the last year, but still no word about a release date for either.
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Here's a few random musical quirks I have. When an album, any album, has a short intro but is tagged as its own separate track. It drives me absolutely nuts!!! I always felt it should be part of the next full track especially when it abruptly stops after about 50 seconds then continues at the start of the next track. And should all live albums have fades at the end of each track? I sometimes do it myself unless its a lossless format, in that case it will be seamless. But if I have an mp3 version of live stuff the quick pause drives me nuts. I just had to vent that out here.
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Here's a few random musical quirks I have. When an album, any album, has a short intro but is tagged as its own separate track. It drives me absolutely nuts!!! I always felt it should be part of the next full track especially when it abruptly stops after about 50 seconds then continues at the start of the next track. And should all live albums have fades at the end of each track? I sometimes do it myself unless its a lossless format, in that case it will be seamless. But if I have an mp3 version of live stuff the quick pause drives me nuts. I just had to vent that out here.
That last one raises an important point; see, I HATE live compilations. I like complete shows. I'd rather have one night, in it's entirety (or at least a semblance of that, like Made In Japan) than the best version of each song from the tour, with fades in between (like Flight 666 or I think Exit Stage Left).
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Here's a few random musical quirks I have. When an album, any album, has a short intro but is tagged as its own separate track. It drives me absolutely nuts!!! I always felt it should be part of the next full track especially when it abruptly stops after about 50 seconds then continues at the start of the next track. And should all live albums have fades at the end of each track? I sometimes do it myself unless its a lossless format, in that case it will be seamless. But if I have an mp3 version of live stuff the quick pause drives me nuts. I just had to vent that out here.
I don't have a problem with the short intros if the next track can stand on its own without it. Coheed and Cambria do this fairly often, they add a 2-3 minute instrumental intro then jump right into the "opening track". I think it works, but I also get why some might not like it. Also, if it's less than a minute then yeah, just make it part of the next track.
I rarely ever listen to live albums, but I am with Stad, I prefer an uninterrupted recording from one night, not a compilation from the tour. If there are some mistakes here and there, so be it, I like those.
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Here's a few random musical quirks I have. When an album, any album, has a short intro but is tagged as its own separate track. It drives me absolutely nuts!!! I always felt it should be part of the next full track especially when it abruptly stops after about 50 seconds then continues at the start of the next track.
I don't really mind it. There are a few of those that don't segue right into the next track, or are elsewhere on the album, but thematically connect to the song, so sometimes rather than having them as an intro I'll make a custom order where they're now a postlude. Or sometimes both. And while I often love them, some people just don't like them and want to get straight to the point, especially in repeat listens, so it makes it convenient for those people to skip right to the "meat" of the song.
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Will Murder By Death's singer ever stop singing like Johnny Cash?.doubtful.
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So I've been periodically working on a project with two playlists, for favorite death metal songs, and for favorite black metal songs. I'm a super casual black metal fan, so that's been relatively easy, anything with a black-related tag on RYM is eligible, more or less, and I don't worry too much about separating out melodic black, atmospheric black, symphonic black, etc. If it has those sort of tags and some combination of blast beats, shrieky vocals, tremolo-picked riffs and such, it's fair game. A few iffy inclusions that are mostly post-rock with one harsh section, but eh, it's my list. Also a lot of classic albums I haven't heard enough times or in so long that I don't recall any individual standout tracks, so that'll be something to fill in later on.
Now the death metal project has become quite a morass, as I worried it would. I have far more listening history with it, so breaking things out has become a real challenge. I'm trying to keep this list separate from my melodic death lists, but finding a clear demarcation line is quite a task. Fairly often my favorite tracks on regular death metal albums will be ones that have acoustic guitar passages, synth parts, clean vocal sections, guitar harmonies and such. My ear is just naturally drawn to melodies. They're generally not abundant enough on a given album to make it a melodeath or progressive death release, but on a song level, distinguishing melodic or prog death and normal death for the sake of list inclusion is kind of a nightmare.
And that doesn't even get into all the blackened death and such where some tracks are pretty much right on the fence between the two lists.
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PLEASE watch this video of Tom G. Warrior! Its his opinion but is he wrong???? Is modern music too sterile? I love his view. Opinions on this video please!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=de7hm-U31YM
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PLEASE watch this video of Tom G. Warrior! Its his opinion but is he wrong???? Is modern music too sterile? I love his view. Opinions on this video please!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=de7hm-U31YM
The interviewer looks like the dude from the Cloud Cult.
Tom sounds like an old curmudgeon. Not you Glasser.. :lol but the guy in the video. ;D
I think production techniques definitely add to sterility, but there are so many bands today with great ideas and styles. I just think that the music you listened to growing up gets imprinted on your soul, and it becomes almost impossible to replace, no matter what you hear the rest of your life.
He also sounds...I don't know...bitter maybe? Celtic Frost worked HARD. And he's a lifer. It's as if he has some sort of resentment to today's musicians.
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PLEASE watch this video of Tom G. Warrior! Its his opinion but is he wrong???? Is modern music too sterile? I love his view. Opinions on this video please!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=de7hm-U31YM
Yeah, man. I'm with Tom. Today's metal, in the main, is completely boring and does nothing for me. No disrespect to anyone's tastes here but most modern metal is utterly pointless, empty music as far as I'm concerned. Sterile production, no energy, no originality in style or substance.
I got into metal in the mid 80s. There was so much FEEL and ENERGY and different vibes between the bands.
Very rarely, though, I do hear something I love (Voyager, for example - they've blended styles in a unique way) but heavy metal is nearly dead for me these days.
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I partly agree but there are so many factors to consider.
The media we consume now, on all fronts, is completely oversaturated. To say that modern metal is sterile, as a sweeping sentence, is just untrue. I agree that the modern metal that is in the mainstream nowadays is, but there is just so much out there. You've gotta wade through a lot more mediocrity than maybe 30 or 40 years ago.
But, as Tommy said about the newer bands he likes, they are just recreating the sounds of the past. Tommy witnessed, and was at the forefront, of the birth of thrash, death and black metal. From there all the hundreds of sub genres formed. In 2022 there isn't really anything that can be done in metal that hasn't been done before.
The most innovative bands can really get is to just splice genres together, that haven't been mixed before. That stuff is out there, stuff that is groundbreaking to some extent. But it will be never as groundbreaking as literally forming thrash/death/black metal.
He mentioned the technicality of bands like Obscura. All these splintered genres were formed by bands just trying to create something new. There are a million death metal bands now, so one way to set yourself apart is to take one element to the extreme. This could be the lyrics, vocal style, technical proficiency, bpm etc. It feels that is all bands really have now.
Tommy has been in some legendary bands and influenced so many bands. Would he be able to say the same if he was born in 1993, instead of 1963? Probably not.
Also, let's be honest, the metal that was in the mainstream was better than today. It was actually more integrated into popular culture, especially in the UK. You'd get bands like Motorhead, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, all on Top of the Pops! Back then, the majority of the population knew these bands, even I'd they weren't into metal.
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I was listening to Dr. Feelgood and it feels so similar structurally to Welcome To The Jungle that I’m almost positive Crue used that song as a blueprint
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I don't know; music - ike most art - is cyclical. I remember in the 80's having the discussion "Is music stale? Is it sterile?" and we survived. Every couple years or so, something comes along to shake things up a bit. It'll happen again, it always does.
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When and where will there be a Michael Nesmith tribute concert?
There certainly are people who could be involved
Ben Gibbard
Neko Case
Lambchop
Peter Buck and/or The Minus 5
Sara Watkins
Rivers Cuomo
Jeff Tweedy
Also Michael's son Jonathan Nesmith put up a terrific new tune the other day titled "No Maybe" (http://://www.facebook.com/jonathandarbynesmith/posts/pfbid027aFtgJa1b8QfUDYhYU8uAbiy7Qa19kcGAVMkhi7mJpaBcNzdT2TkgojcjBX5akW3l).
I'm highly curious to hear what he may do next.
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PLEASE watch this video of Tom G. Warrior! Its his opinion but is he wrong? ??? Is modern music too sterile? I love his view. Opinions on this video please!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=de7hm-U31YM (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=de7hm-U31YM)
I love later Celtic Frost and Triptykon, but this sort of opinion, as he kind of admits, is just a typical cliche view of anyone who is a jaded music veteran, and probably doesn't pay as much attention to the scene anymore. Honestly I think it's in ways better than it used to be, at a macro level. His comments were more relevant in the 00s and early 10s when it was extremely common to have technical death metal and progressive metal bands who were just one-upping each other in terms of speed, intensity, and technical perfection, to the point where some of them couldn't even really play their material live properly. That still exists, but there's also been a major trend of reviving older sounds and approaches, and reveling in grime and looseness. There are so many different metal bands around, more than ever before, that virtually any sound you want to hear is being played by someone somewhere, you just have to spend time researching to find it. Plus with the internet, you have access to virtually all the old stuff too if you think it was all better then.
And honestly it's a bit on the extreme end of the prog/punk divide in terms of the value placed on precision, spontaneity and such. I used to be much further on the end myself of valuing clarity, pristinity and so forth. I've shifted more towards the middle over time, where there's a lot of music I love now that would have been too murky and imprecise for me a couple decades ago, but I still don't care about smashing guitars and toppling amp stacks, that's equally imbalanced in the opposite direction for my tastes.
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I'm sorry, I hate to come back to this, but that guy came off as a total asshole. I like Into The Pandemoniun well enough, but it ain't like Celtic Frost was all that original either. They were about as (below) average of a band as there was, even back in the day.
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PLEASE watch this video of Tom G. Warrior! Its his opinion but is he wrong???? Is modern music too sterile? I love his view. Opinions on this video please!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=de7hm-U31YM
Wow, I randomly stumbled across this vid a couple of weeks ago and watched it. I liked his viewpoint to a certain degree, but I couldn't help but to feel that a lot of his opinion is because he simply doesn't have the chops to play and pull off the technical stuff.
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PLEASE watch this video of Tom G. Warrior! Its his opinion but is he wrong???? Is modern music too sterile? I love his view. Opinions on this video please!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=de7hm-U31YM
Wow, I randomly stumbled across this vid a couple of weeks ago and watched it. I liked his viewpoint to a certain degree, but I couldn't help but to feel that a lot of his opinion is because he simply doesn't have the chops to play and pull off the technical stuff.
So when I was in college, a friend of mine was a huge Metallica fan, and because Jason was in Flotsam, he had their first album. He was the guy that introduced me to F&J. Anyway, on 9/28/87, they were opening for Celtic Frost in Providence. Well, for some reason, CF didn't play, so we got a headline set from F&J, and that night I became a fan for life.
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I'm sorry, I hate to come back to this, but that guy came off as a total asshole. I like Into The Pandemoniun well enough, but it ain't like Celtic Frost was all that original either. They were about as (below) average of a band as there was, even back in the day.
That's too far in the opposite direction to me. They were one of the earlier pioneers of extreme metal, diversifying what Venom did to the point where it was hard to tell whether some of it was speed metal, thrash metal, black metal, doom metal, death metal, or even crust punk. And then there is absolutely nothing remotely like Into the Pandemonium either at that point in time. It anticipates all kinds of developments that wouldn't occur for years later into the 90s in avant-garde, symphonic, gothic, industrial, and other emerging styles of metal. And then Monotheist and the Triptykon albums to me are just incredible music.
Wow, I randomly stumbled across this vid a couple of weeks ago and watched it. I liked his viewpoint to a certain degree, but I couldn't help but to feel that a lot of his opinion is because he simply doesn't have the chops to play and pull off the technical stuff.
This might be true to an extent, his chops were extremely limited back in the Hellhammer days, and I don't personally care for the rawness and sloppiness of it, but he made the most he could out of his limited ability at the time, and was incredibly influential to countless other bands. He never became a virtuoso or even close, but he did improve over the years, and hired other talented performers when needed to execute more complicated ideas.
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PLEASE watch this video of Tom G. Warrior! Its his opinion but is he wrong???? Is modern music too sterile? I love his view. Opinions on this video please!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=de7hm-U31YM
Wow, I randomly stumbled across this vid a couple of weeks ago and watched it. I liked his viewpoint to a certain degree, but I couldn't help but to feel that a lot of his opinion is because he simply doesn't have the chops to play and pull off the technical stuff.
So when I was in college, a friend of mine was a huge Metallica fan, and because Jason was in Flotsam, he had their first album. He was the guy that introduced me to F&J. Anyway, on 9/28/87, they were opening for Celtic Frost in Providence. Well, for some reason, CF didn't play, so we got a headline set from F&J, and that night I became a fan for life.
:metal
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I'm sorry, I hate to come back to this, but that guy came off as a total asshole. I like Into The Pandemoniun well enough, but it ain't like Celtic Frost was all that original either. They were about as (below) average of a band as there was, even back in the day.
That's too far in the opposite direction to me. They were one of the earlier pioneers of extreme metal, diversifying what Venom did to the point where it was hard to tell whether some of it was speed metal, thrash metal, black metal, doom metal, death metal, or even crust punk. And then there is absolutely nothing remotely like Into the Pandemonium either in that point in time. It anticipates all kinds of developments that wouldn't occur for years later into the 90s in avant-garde, symphonic, gothic, industrial, and other emerging styles of metal. And then Monotheist and the Triptykon albums to me are just incredible music.
Wow, I randomly stumbled across this vid a couple of weeks ago and watched it. I liked his viewpoint to a certain degree, but I couldn't help but to feel that a lot of his opinion is because he simply doesn't have the chops to play and pull off the technical stuff.
This might be true to an extent, his chops were extremely limited back in the Hellhammer days, and I don't personally care for the rawness and sloppiness of it, but he made the most he could out of his limited ability at the time, and was incredibly influential to countless other bands. He never became a virtuoso or even close, but he did improve over the years, and hired other talented performers when needed to execute more complicated ideas.
I still need to go back and check older CF, but Monotheist is incredible. That's something unique and special IMO. While my comment I feel still stands, I don't think listening to this album that they needed the chops. For this album anyway, they had the creativity and vision to create a wonderful piece of art, and that's more where he's coming from, so that aspect I can understand where he is coming from.
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I'm sorry, I hate to come back to this, but that guy came off as a total asshole. I like Into The Pandemoniun well enough, but it ain't like Celtic Frost was all that original either. They were about as (below) average of a band as there was, even back in the day.
That's too far in the opposite direction to me. They were one of the earlier pioneers of extreme metal, diversifying what Venom did to the point where it was hard to tell whether some of it was speed metal, thrash metal, black metal, doom metal, death metal, or even crust punk. And then there is absolutely nothing remotely like Into the Pandemonium either at that point in time. It anticipates all kinds of developments that wouldn't occur for years later into the 90s in avant-garde, symphonic, gothic, industrial, and other emerging styles of metal.
That's a very interesting synopsis. I'd have to chew on that a bit. They just never really impressed me. Oddly, when I listen to their 80's stuff, it makes me think of Suicidal Tendencies, who I thought were way more interesting.
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Monotheist isn't something that I would ever want to listen to ever again.
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That's a very interesting synopsis. I'd have to chew on that a bit. They just never really impressed me. Oddly, when I listen to their 80's stuff, it makes me think of Suicidal Tendencies, who I thought were way more interesting.
For what it's worth, I didn't really care about them much myself until the past decade or so. Something about Monotheist kept drawing me back to it, and then I started reevaluating everything else from there. It helps that I got really into doom somewhere around then. I still don't care for Hellhammer, but I understand their historical importance. But Morbid Tales and To Mega Therion have grown on me over time as well. Suicidal Tendencies seems like a vastly different thing from what I remember with their crossover side and all the funk influence, but I haven't listened to them in a really long time.
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That's a very interesting synopsis. I'd have to chew on that a bit. They just never really impressed me. Oddly, when I listen to their 80's stuff, it makes me think of Suicidal Tendencies, who I thought were way more interesting.
For what it's worth, I didn't really care about them much myself until the past decade or so. Something about Monotheist kept drawing me back to it, and then I started reevaluating everything else from there. It helps that I got really into doom somewhere around then. I still don't care for Hellhammer, but I understand their historical importance. But Morbid Tales and To Mega Therion have grown on me over time as well. Suicidal Tendencies seems like a vastly different thing from what I remember with their crossover side and all the funk influence, but I haven't listened to them in a really long time.
Yes! It has that effect for sure.
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PLEASE watch this video of Tom G. Warrior! Its his opinion but is he wrong???? Is modern music too sterile? I love his view. Opinions on this video please!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=de7hm-U31YM
I'm glad Tom at least admitted how difficult the question is, how disillusioned he is to the modern heavy metal scene which he does say could be attributed to his age, and that he is sorry for that. And lastly, that it is his opinion and that's it and he wishes it was different. What else more could you ask of a person who is giving you there answer and opinion of the question asked. There is nothing wrong with what he said at all.
In terms of the question asked...I don't know what the interviewer specifically asked because it was cut off. But, what really intrigued me was Tom mentioning being perfect, perfection in music. And with modern technology it's easier to achieve that perfection. To him, that perfection is not the goal of Heavy Music, to him the purpose of Heavy Music is the human passion, which includes the imperfection of music. HE does say he misses this in modern production, that air between the mic and the amp, the imperfections that were there when these past bands used to record albums. This is what he misses and means by being sterile.
It would've been way better too if the interviewer were to have asked..."How do you define Heavy Music?" I say this because he mentioned Scorpion Child when considering a modern band recreating things of the past, and yeah I agree with him if you use Scorpion Child as an example.
I also noticed he used some terms such as competition, olympics, playing ten thousand notes the fastest and the most perfect, in turn, making a game out of the guitar and music. Intriguing because this is where I wondered about, "How could one turn music into a sport?" Which what he mentions is how you turn it into a competition that creates some intense perfected music in every possible way, and to him that is not Heavy Music. That is a very fascinating concept in itself and I will stop myself here from trying to talk about this more... :lol
I think with him being as old as he is, I wonder how he is consuming music. Is he out there searching youtube, spotify, or the any other platforms for music to discover newer bands? I am sure if he did, he would discover that there are many, many, bands out there that are thrashing their guitars over their marshalls like he once used to do. I would even tell him to come here to Albuquerque and see our local Metal scene, which is heavily death/black/grindcore influenced. :biggrin:
I also have never listened to Celtic Frost. But, I also do know how much of an influence they are within Heavy Metal.
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I want to expand upon the term "Perfection of Music" Tom spoke about.
I will include Dream Theater in this as we have all seen in regards to their live shows. I could say that there are many of us here who do have some strong negative opinions about the perfection of the bands live shows. A lot of people do miss the imperfection of their live shows as well due to the technology not being utilized to make the show as perfect and foolproof as possible. One example is the tempo of the songs, the feeling and energy of a song being played faster than album tempo.
I find it interesting and do enjoy the human imperfections in music. NO one is perfect and if a band makes a mistake, I like to see how they pull off trying to cover it up or play around it. I also do not mind a band utilizing technology though to enhance more of the sound, even if that means playing to a click to help keep the sample in time with the band, which if it's off can be difficult for the player to keep focused. It would be neat to see how a band recovers from a mistake with the click being utilized.
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I've always said that; the best musicians (and athletes as well) make mistakes, they just make mistakes that hurt them less (or you notice them less).
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I want to expand upon the term "Perfection of Music" Tom spoke about.
I will include Dream Theater in this as we have all seen in regards to their live shows. I could say that there are many of us here who do have some strong negative opinions about the perfection of the bands live shows. A lot of people do miss the imperfection of their live shows as well due to the technology not being utilized to make the show as perfect and foolproof as possible. One example is the tempo of the songs, the feeling and energy of a song being played faster than album tempo.
I find it interesting and do enjoy the human imperfections in music. NO one is perfect and if a band makes a mistake, I like to see how they pull off trying to cover it up or play around it. I also do not mind a band utilizing technology though to enhance more of the sound, even if that means playing to a click to help keep the sample in time with the band, which if it's off can be difficult for the player to keep focused. It would be neat to see how a band recovers from a mistake with the click being utilized.
When I saw DT on the Distant Memories Tour, John Myung was off by a beat on the intro to The Dance of Eternity, and it took him a while to get back in sync with the band. He stopped playing for a second, looked at JP, and was able to get in sync. He was back in time by the last repetition of the figure before the big guitar chords, but I thought DT was "about to crash" right there on the stage.
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I remember reading an interview where Billie Joe Armstrong said something like "mistakes are part of our sound", and that concept used to vex me. When I started playing guitar live more often I worried for awhile about the idea of perfection, and would kick myself over any mistakes I made. It's bothered me less and less over time. In one video I watched Tim Pierce said something like "I try not to make mistakes, but I don't mind if I do", and that has resonated with me increasingly. It's particularly noticeable when I've played slide parts on guitar live. Getting the intonation on each note absolutely perfect is not only an impossible fool's errand, it defeats part of the purpose, to mimic the imperfect nuances of the human voice. So it's been a long journey embracing the foibles of music making, but it's certainly opened my musical world to things I wouldn't have considered a couple decades ago, and it's richer for it.
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Just remember, if you make a mistake once, it's a mistake. If you make that mistake twice, it's Jazz. ;D
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Just remember, if you make a mistake once, it's a mistake. If you make that mistake twice, it's Jazz. ;D
And if you sound like you're on the verge of making a mistake, but always manage to somehow keep it together, it's Led Zeppelin.
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Just remember, if you make a mistake once, it's a mistake. If you make that mistake twice, it's Jazz. ;D
And if you sound like you're on the verge of making a mistake, but always manage to somehow keep it together, it's Led Zeppelin.
😁
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I remember reading an interview where Billie Joe Armstrong said something like "mistakes are part of our sound", and that concept used to vex me. When I started playing guitar live more often I worried for awhile about the idea of perfection, and would kick myself over any mistakes I made. It's bothered me less and less over time. In one video I watched Tim Pierce said something like "I try not to make mistakes, but I don't mind if I do", and that has resonated with me increasingly. It's particularly noticeable when I've played slide parts on guitar live. Getting the intonation on each note absolutely perfect is not only an impossible fool's errand, it defeats part of the purpose, to mimic the imperfect nuances of the human voice. So it's been a long journey embracing the foibles of music making, but it's certainly opened my musical world to things I wouldn't have considered a couple decades ago, and it's richer for it.
This was a HUGE hurdle in my playing. I wanted to always be able to play it EXACTLY like on the record, and unfortunately I'm not at the level where I can do that and get any fun out of it. I've gotten to the point where I can accept "sounds good" as opposed to "note perfect", but it's an on-going process. And I'm still fumbling with the concept of making "good" mistakes.
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Just remember, if you make a mistake once, it's a mistake. If you make that mistake twice, it's Jazz. ;D
And if you sound like you're on the verge of making a mistake, but always manage to somehow keep it together, it's Led Zeppelin.
😁
One of the reasons they are still near the top of my favorite bands (also one of the reasons so many Zeppelin covers BLOW).
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As Steve Vai says, beginners play the wrong notes, virtuosos play the unexpected notes.
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I remember reading an interview where Billie Joe Armstrong said something like "mistakes are part of our sound", and that concept used to vex me. When I started playing guitar live more often I worried for awhile about the idea of perfection, and would kick myself over any mistakes I made. It's bothered me less and less over time. In one video I watched Tim Pierce said something like "I try not to make mistakes, but I don't mind if I do", and that has resonated with me increasingly. It's particularly noticeable when I've played slide parts on guitar live. Getting the intonation on each note absolutely perfect is not only an impossible fool's errand, it defeats part of the purpose, to mimic the imperfect nuances of the human voice. So it's been a long journey embracing the foibles of music making, but it's certainly opened my musical world to things I wouldn't have considered a couple decades ago, and it's richer for it.
This was a HUGE hurdle in my playing. I wanted to always be able to play it EXACTLY like on the record, and unfortunately I'm not at the level where I can do that and get any fun out of it. I've gotten to the point where I can accept "sounds good" as opposed to "note perfect", but it's an on-going process. And I'm still fumbling with the concept of making "good" mistakes.
This is something I struggle with as well. I suck at playing by ear, I can pick up chords and some melodies here and there, but more often than not I need my sheet music. I always feels like I need to play it exactly as it's written down unless there is an obvious mistake. I've been getting more comfortable with just following chord charts and making it up as I go, but there still a long way to go.
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I remember reading an interview where Billie Joe Armstrong said something like "mistakes are part of our sound", and that concept used to vex me. When I started playing guitar live more often I worried for awhile about the idea of perfection, and would kick myself over any mistakes I made. It's bothered me less and less over time. In one video I watched Tim Pierce said something like "I try not to make mistakes, but I don't mind if I do", and that has resonated with me increasingly. It's particularly noticeable when I've played slide parts on guitar live. Getting the intonation on each note absolutely perfect is not only an impossible fool's errand, it defeats part of the purpose, to mimic the imperfect nuances of the human voice. So it's been a long journey embracing the foibles of music making, but it's certainly opened my musical world to things I wouldn't have considered a couple decades ago, and it's richer for it.
This was a HUGE hurdle in my playing. I wanted to always be able to play it EXACTLY like on the record, and unfortunately I'm not at the level where I can do that and get any fun out of it. I've gotten to the point where I can accept "sounds good" as opposed to "note perfect", but it's an on-going process. And I'm still fumbling with the concept of making "good" mistakes.
This is something I struggle with as well. I suck at playing by ear, I can pick up chords and some melodies here and there, but more often than not I need my sheet music. I always feels like I need to play it exactly as it's written down unless there is an obvious mistake. I've been getting more comfortable with just following chord charts and making it up as I go, but there still a long way to go.
There's a local bar that does an open mike night, and my step son is egging me on to play something. I'm horrible at singing and playing at the same time, so I would have to dumb down whatever I play, and that's the hard part for me. I have no problem going up in front of people, but for example, I would want to play "Me and Bobby McGee" (the Kristofferson version) and it's like I have a genetic problem with just strumming the chords as opposed to finger-picking the song like on the record.
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Just remember, if you make a mistake once, it's a mistake. If you make that mistake twice, it's Jazz. ;D
And if you sound like you're on the verge of making a mistake, but always manage to somehow keep it together, it's Led Zeppelin.
😁
One of the reasons they are still near the top of my favorite bands (also one of the reasons so many Zeppelin covers BLOW).
To me, that looseness is a big part of the charm of LZ. It's like you can hear Jimmy Page about to go off the rails with a solo, but he somehow stays the course. The cover bands who play the stuff exactly as is just can't come close to recapturing that vibe and aura.
Note: I am talking about the studio material, as they are a band whose live stuff I almost never listen to on purpose.
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Just remember, if you make a mistake once, it's a mistake. If you make that mistake twice, it's Jazz. ;D
And if you sound like you're on the verge of making a mistake, but always manage to somehow keep it together, it's Led Zeppelin.
😁
One of the reasons they are still near the top of my favorite bands (also one of the reasons so many Zeppelin covers BLOW).
To me, that looseness is a big part of the charm of LZ. It's like you can hear Jimmy Page about to go off the rails with a solo, but he somehow stays the course. The cover bands who play the stuff exactly as is just can't come close to recapturing that vibe and aura.
Note: I am talking about the studio material, as they are a band whose live stuff I almost never listen to on purpose.
Stairway is FAMOUS for the fluidity of the time. The "How The West Was Won" set is a live set that captures that essence as well; Dave from Manchester has often cited I think it's "Heartbreaker" where you can feel the wheels coming off and BAM! it resolves beautifully.
The best Zeppelin cover I've ever heard was Temple Of The Dog, live at Madison Square Garden, "Achilles Last Stand"; Matt Cameron and Stone Gossard made that song breathe like no one's business. You could FEEL it in the room (and Chris even acknowledged it after the song, saying something like "can you fucking believe we just played THAT song in THIS building?" a reference to Zeppelin playing MSG more than any building other than the LA Forum).
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in my own fanboy bias, I would argue still the greatest Led Zeppelin cover:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGGqZ5iHI28
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in my own fanboy bias, I would argue still the greatest Led Zeppelin cover:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGGqZ5iHI28
I'll check that out later. If we're talking great Led Zep covers, this has to be the best I've heard...
https://youtu.be/AvLR3zOrnqI (https://youtu.be/AvLR3zOrnqI)
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Coolio died at 59...
I kind of liked that video where he was riding a big wheel.
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Coolio died at 59...
I kind of liked that video where he was riding a big wheel.
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:rollin :rollin
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My favorite Coolio Moment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VROhZunwExQ
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Coolio died at 59...
I kind of liked that video where he was riding a big wheel.
Sad story, growing up in the 90's as a kid I liked his singles. Yeah, you mean the one where he's riding a giant kids bike. That's a cool video. That one was a pretty big hit here. Not Gansta Paradise level but up there.
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Coolio died at 59...
I kind of liked that video where he was riding a big wheel.
Sad story, growing up in the 90's as a kid I liked his singles. Yeah, you mean the one where he's riding a giant kids bike. That's a cool video. That one was a pretty big hit here. Not Gansta Paradise level but up there.
I was looking for it to link it, but I don't remember the name of the song.
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This one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2KRH27aWcU
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This one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2KRH27aWcU
Yes, that's it. :lol
I checked that but I guess I didn't watch it to the end when he's riding the big wheel.
Is that a young Jamie Foxx in that video on the sidewalk?
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Possibly. I'll watch the full thing tonight. I haven't seen it in years but from memory is that the guy the gives like a WTF type look to Coolio as he's riding or something to that effect?
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Kade, how is the song "I Will Remember Someone Else" coming along? Then maybe a Coolio cover? :)
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Kade, how is the song "I Will Remember Someone Else" coming along? Then maybe a Coolio cover? :)
I think I remember someone else writing it! ;D
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Kade, how is the song "I Will Remember Someone Else" coming along? Then maybe a Coolio cover? :)
I think I remember someone else writing it! ;D
:lol :lol :lol
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without much of anything on the Black Friday Record Store Day list this November, I'm actually not regretting ordering the special limited pressing (1000) Jellyfish 7" Singles/EP Boxed Set.
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A question to everyone. It's fair to say all of us here have pretty diverse music tastes. I have been struggling to find that album and genre to sit and spend time with. Am I alone on this? Do you just wake up and say "hey I'm gonna play these albums today" or do you search for an album or albums you want to sit with exclusively for a while? Example: I want to sit with the new Virtual Symmetry but I also feel like sticking with a bunch of Black Flag albums etc.... Being there is so much stuff I'm overwhelmed with, being older stuff and new stuff and different genres. I'm just all over the place but I WANT to sit with just a few albums at most and absorb it all like I did when I was younger. :mehlin :facepalm:
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It's an endless struggle. At any given moment there are often at least half a dozen different things I'd like to be listening to. Too bad I'm not Data. I keep running tiered lists of things I want to hear (moods, playlists, genres, bands, albums, songs) and constantly update them. If I have spontaneous urges I tend to just give into them, even if it means putting something else on pause, or I'll just finish a track and come back later. If I'm unsure what to listen to next, I tend to look at those lists and pick something. I'd probably be diagnosed with a mild form of music ADHD I'm sure.
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A question to everyone. It's fair to say all of us here have pretty diverse music tastes. I have been struggling to find that album and genre to sit and spend time with. Am I alone on this? Do you just wake up and say "hey I'm gonna play these albums today" or do you search for an album or albums you want to sit with exclusively for a while? Example: I want to sit with the new Virtual Symmetry but I also feel like sticking with a bunch of Black Flag albums etc.... Being there is so much stuff I'm overwhelmed with, being older stuff and new stuff and different genres. I'm just all over the place but I WANT to sit with just a few albums at most and absorb it all like I did when I was younger. :mehlin :facepalm:
I hear you completely. I've often defined youth as nothing matters except the album you are listening to.
But having a wife, kids, ...um..jobs, shit to do around the house, etc...it's really a time thing.
Tom, one thing that I do religiously is on Fridays I do nothing but sample new releases. I have a couple of new album tickers that I reference, and if I like something I hear, I immediately save it to Spotify. I also note it on a Word document, and if I Saved it or not.
I'll sometimes dedicate a day to reviewing things I saved in the current year.
There are days where I have no idea what I'm going to listen to today.
There are days where I say, I'm going to run through "this" band's discography, or pick a band from the past that I didn't get into and run through one of their albums.
Each day, just pick a direction and stick with it.
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The struggle is real for sure. Its like I want one album that covers all of my moods as well as having elements of every style I like all in one. Well that's just not possible. I go from The Misfits to Ratt to Goatwhore to Journey..... It has to hit perfectly and stick but I have WAY too much music. Its actually stressful which is lame because I listen to music to escape life's bullshit. :|
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A question to everyone. It's fair to say all of us here have pretty diverse music tastes. I have been struggling to find that album and genre to sit and spend time with. Am I alone on this? Do you just wake up and say "hey I'm gonna play these albums today" or do you search for an album or albums you want to sit with exclusively for a while? Example: I want to sit with the new Virtual Symmetry but I also feel like sticking with a bunch of Black Flag albums etc.... Being there is so much stuff I'm overwhelmed with, being older stuff and new stuff and different genres. I'm just all over the place but I WANT to sit with just a few albums at most and absorb it all like I did when I was younger. :mehlin :facepalm:
It is all pretty random for me.
Some days, I have a particular artist or album I want to hear.
Some days, I plug in my phone in the car, and before I get a chance to pick something, the shuffle picks one of the nearly-7,000 songs on my iPhone and I think, "Oh, that sounds good today," and I end up going down the rabbit hole with that artist or album.
Some days, I have no idea what I want to hear and just go with whomever is my default artist at the time.
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It's an endless struggle. At any given moment there are often at least half a dozen different things I'd like to be listening to. Too bad I'm not Data. I keep running tiered lists of things I want to hear (moods, playlists, genres, bands, albums, songs) and constantly update them. If I have spontaneous urges I tend to just give into them, even if it means putting something else on pause, or I'll just finish a track and come back later. If I'm unsure what to listen to next, I tend to look at those lists and pick something. I'd probably be diagnosed with a mild form of music ADHD I'm sure.
I feel exactly the same... :sad:
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A question to everyone. It's fair to say all of us here have pretty diverse music tastes. I have been struggling to find that album and genre to sit and spend time with. Am I alone on this? Do you just wake up and say "hey I'm gonna play these albums today" or do you search for an album or albums you want to sit with exclusively for a while? Example: I want to sit with the new Virtual Symmetry but I also feel like sticking with a bunch of Black Flag albums etc.... Being there is so much stuff I'm overwhelmed with, being older stuff and new stuff and different genres. I'm just all over the place but I WANT to sit with just a few albums at most and absorb it all like I did when I was younger. :mehlin :facepalm:
I hear you completely. I've often defined youth as nothing matters except the album you are listening to.
But having a wife, kids, ...um..jobs, shit to do around the house, etc...it's really a time thing.
Tom, one thing that I do religiously is on Fridays I do nothing but sample new releases. I have a couple of new album tickers that I reference, and if I like something I hear, I immediately save it to Spotify. I also note it on a Word document, and if I Saved it or not.
I'll sometimes dedicate a day to reviewing things I saved in the current year.
There are days where I have no idea what I'm going to listen to today.
There are days where I say, I'm going to run through "this" band's discography, or pick a band from the past that I didn't get into and run through one of their albums.
Each day, just pick a direction and stick with it.
Perfectly said and it sounds like you have an excellent routine!!! I just may pick a few albums and pretend nothing else exists and enjoy what I choose. I really thought I was the only one who has this issue and felt embarrassed posting it honestly.
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A question to everyone. It's fair to say all of us here have pretty diverse music tastes. I have been struggling to find that album and genre to sit and spend time with. Am I alone on this? Do you just wake up and say "hey I'm gonna play these albums today" or do you search for an album or albums you want to sit with exclusively for a while? Example: I want to sit with the new Virtual Symmetry but I also feel like sticking with a bunch of Black Flag albums etc.... Being there is so much stuff I'm overwhelmed with, being older stuff and new stuff and different genres. I'm just all over the place but I WANT to sit with just a few albums at most and absorb it all like I did when I was younger. :mehlin :facepalm:
It is all pretty random for me.
Some days, I have a particular artist or album I want to hear.
Some days, I plug in my phone in the car, and before I get a chance to pick something, the shuffle picks one of the nearly-7,000 songs on my iPhone and I think, "Oh, that sounds good today," and I end up going down the rabbit hole with that artist or album.
Some days, I have no idea what I want to hear and just go with whomever is my default artist at the time.
I wish I could do that Kev. That sounds like the way to go. My collection is brutally huge (probably like most of us).
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A question to everyone. It's fair to say all of us here have pretty diverse music tastes. I have been struggling to find that album and genre to sit and spend time with. Am I alone on this? Do you just wake up and say "hey I'm gonna play these albums today" or do you search for an album or albums you want to sit with exclusively for a while? Example: I want to sit with the new Virtual Symmetry but I also feel like sticking with a bunch of Black Flag albums etc.... Being there is so much stuff I'm overwhelmed with, being older stuff and new stuff and different genres. I'm just all over the place but I WANT to sit with just a few albums at most and absorb it all like I did when I was younger. :mehlin :facepalm:
It is all pretty random for me.
Some days, I have a particular artist or album I want to hear.
Some days, I plug in my phone in the car, and before I get a chance to pick something, the shuffle picks one of the nearly-7,000 songs on my iPhone and I think, "Oh, that sounds good today," and I end up going down the rabbit hole with that artist or album.
Some days, I have no idea what I want to hear and just go with whomever is my default artist at the time.
I wish I could do that Kev. That sounds like the way to go. My collection is brutally huge (probably like most of us).
You can do it! You can do anything you want. It's your time and your music collection! I listen to whatever I want and have no shame about it.
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A question to everyone. It's fair to say all of us here have pretty diverse music tastes. I have been struggling to find that album and genre to sit and spend time with. Am I alone on this? Do you just wake up and say "hey I'm gonna play these albums today" or do you search for an album or albums you want to sit with exclusively for a while? Example: I want to sit with the new Virtual Symmetry but I also feel like sticking with a bunch of Black Flag albums etc.... Being there is so much stuff I'm overwhelmed with, being older stuff and new stuff and different genres. I'm just all over the place but I WANT to sit with just a few albums at most and absorb it all like I did when I was younger. :mehlin :facepalm:
I hear you completely. I've often defined youth as nothing matters except the album you are listening to.
But having a wife, kids, ...um..jobs, shit to do around the house, etc...it's really a time thing.
Tom, one thing that I do religiously is on Fridays I do nothing but sample new releases. I have a couple of new album tickers that I reference, and if I like something I hear, I immediately save it to Spotify. I also note it on a Word document, and if I Saved it or not.
I'll sometimes dedicate a day to reviewing things I saved in the current year.
There are days where I have no idea what I'm going to listen to today.
There are days where I say, I'm going to run through "this" band's discography, or pick a band from the past that I didn't get into and run through one of their albums.
Each day, just pick a direction and stick with it.
Perfectly said and it sounds like you have an excellent routine!!! I just may pick a few albums and pretend nothing else exists and enjoy what I choose. I really thought I was the only one who has this issue and felt embarrassed posting it honestly.
The thing that DTF is great for is that there are so many great suggestions from everyone. The Album Listening Thread is a great resource. Some days listening to music is like having 200 channels, yet nothing is on TV.
The quest to find something new is maddening.
I've mentioned this before but at my age, the size of my collection, and time I have to actually listen to music, half of my collection probably has maybe a dozen listens left in them. If that, actually.
I would just say don't stress, but just enjoy. But I totally get where you're coming from.
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A question to everyone. It's fair to say all of us here have pretty diverse music tastes. I have been struggling to find that album and genre to sit and spend time with. Am I alone on this? Do you just wake up and say "hey I'm gonna play these albums today" or do you search for an album or albums you want to sit with exclusively for a while? Example: I want to sit with the new Virtual Symmetry but I also feel like sticking with a bunch of Black Flag albums etc.... Being there is so much stuff I'm overwhelmed with, being older stuff and new stuff and different genres. I'm just all over the place but I WANT to sit with just a few albums at most and absorb it all like I did when I was younger. :mehlin :facepalm:
It's pretty random for me. As time goes on, my urges on what I want to listen to seem to getting less and less. I used to have moments where I'd sit on an album or a band for a while, but I understand the want to jump around. But all this seems to be getting less hectic with listenings as I get older.
Not much sticks anymore in the way of new stuff. I was always on new music but nothing really holds my interest anymore. The Fates Warning countdown has been a great excuse to pull out their catalog, that's why this place is so great.
Although, the other morning I had a moment where I was going to work and wanted something random to listen to. I stood staring at a couple if thousand cd's without an urge or clue what to grab. Nothing jumped out, it was a rare and scary moment actually. :|
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Although, the other morning I had a moment where I was going to work and wanted something random to listen to. I stood staring at a couple if thousand cd's without an urge or clue what to grab. Nothing jumped out, it was a rare and scary moment actually. :|
That sounds terribly familiar from the pre-Covid days, when I was trying to decide what to listen on my commute. I work from home now, so don't currently have that issue.
I finally ended up with a system of going though my CDs which are filed alphabetically and picking the first one that I was in the mood for. Then the next day I’d start from the CD after the one I'd just listened to and go through the collection from there until something else appealed to me.
It's a first world problem of too much to choose from. :lol
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It's a worrying thing when you can look past so many cds and each one you're just like, '...nah'.
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It's pretty random for me. As time goes on, my urges on what I want to listen to seem to getting less and less. I used to have moments where I'd sit on an album or a band for a while, but I understand the want to jump around. But all this seems to be getting less hectic with listenings as I get older.
Not much sticks anymore in the way of new stuff. I was always on new music but nothing really holds my interest anymore.
This also sounds like a possible symptom of burnout, maybe extending even beyond music listening. I had a similar period after kind of a dry spell a few years ago where most of the music I was checking out wasn't doing as much for me as it used to. I probably had unreasonable standards too, I was wanting to find another band or two that could join my list of all-time greats. That's kind of rare, and usually takes time, years of frequent listening to absorb them. I eventually found more great stuff again, and have mostly been awash in it the last few years.
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I've always had go to albums that I listen to if I can't decide what to listen to. They've changed up over the years, but I always have an album, or two or three, like that that I can put on at any time. And I'm never really like "nah" to those albums.
As far as general listening strategies go - I more or less just listen to what I want. I really don't worry about keeping up with the latest new stuff. And for me it's not that I think there's nothing good out there - I know there's tons of great stuff out there. Some of which I'll find, most of which I won't, and I'm good with that. I've been listening to a lot of Aphelion lately because I just saw Leprous live. It's reminding me of absorbing Aphelion this time last year, and it sounds just as awesome now if it did then. Maybe when I "should" be doing is listening to the Blind Guardian, A-Z, and Figure of Speechless (Ray Alder etc) releases that I bought a few weeks ago. I've listened to them a few times each and I want to listen to them more at some point, but some point doesn't have to be now when I'd rather listen to Leprous and Arcturus and some Fates Warning because of the top 50 thread.
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Some of which I'll find, most of which I won't, and I'm good with that.
It's been a lifelong struggle to grapple with this. The logical part of my brain understands it, the emotional part frequently wants to keep plowing through, thinking that eventually I'll win the war against our limited lifespans and 24-hour limit of time per day. Who needs sleep, I can listen to another album! :lol What powers so much of music exploration is the idea that somewhere out there is more music I'll like as much or more than anything else I've already heard, and I prove myself right often enough to fuel the addiction.
Maybe when I "should" be doing is listening to the Blind Guardian, A-Z, and Figure of Speechless (Ray Alder etc) releases that I bought a few weeks ago. I've listened to them a few times each and I want to listen to them more at some point, but some point doesn't have to be now when I'd rather listen to Leprous and Arcturus and some Fates Warning because of the top 50 thread.
That's another struggle. With new releases weekly, people are generally more in the mood to talk about them shortly after they've come out. Interest drops off after that and it can be harder to get a discussion going, particularly if it's not a huge band that everybody is always willing to talk about. Another exception is end of the year lists, but at that point any individual album tends to get lost in the sea of things name-dropped. Some people just make it a weekly routine to check out new releases, as TAC mentioned somewhere, but my moods are more random and cyclical, I'm more likely to get behind several weeks or months and then go on a binge of checking out half a dozen a day for a few days, even a week or two.
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A question to everyone. It's fair to say all of us here have pretty diverse music tastes. I have been struggling to find that album and genre to sit and spend time with. Am I alone on this? Do you just wake up and say "hey I'm gonna play these albums today" or do you search for an album or albums you want to sit with exclusively for a while? Example: I want to sit with the new Virtual Symmetry but I also feel like sticking with a bunch of Black Flag albums etc.... Being there is so much stuff I'm overwhelmed with, being older stuff and new stuff and different genres. I'm just all over the place but I WANT to sit with just a few albums at most and absorb it all like I did when I was younger. :mehlin :facepalm:
It's pretty random for me. As time goes on, my urges on what I want to listen to seem to getting less and less. I used to have moments where I'd sit on an album or a band for a while, but I understand the want to jump around. But all this seems to be getting less hectic with listenings as I get older.
Not much sticks anymore in the way of new stuff. I was always on new music but nothing really holds my interest anymore. The Fates Warning countdown has been a great excuse to pull out their catalog, that's why this place is so great.
Although, the other morning I had a moment where I was going to work and wanted something random to listen to. I stood staring at a couple if thousand cd's without an urge or clue what to grab. Nothing jumped out, it was a rare and scary moment actually. :|
Wait.... There's a Fates Warning countdown? :blush
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Wait.... There's a Fates Warning countdown? :blush
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57754.0
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Wait.... There's a Fates Warning countdown? :blush
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57754.0
Thanks! I need to look in new topics more. :blush
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Interesting to learn Dreamworks was lookig to sign an unknown band named Muse in the mid 90's, and decided to pass per they had already signed a band like Muse, named Ours.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3fUQTACs57rLYj6qtiZSlI
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It's pretty random for me. As time goes on, my urges on what I want to listen to seem to getting less and less. I used to have moments where I'd sit on an album or a band for a while, but I understand the want to jump around. But all this seems to be getting less hectic with listenings as I get older.
Not much sticks anymore in the way of new stuff. I was always on new music but nothing really holds my interest anymore.
This also sounds like a possible symptom of burnout, maybe extending even beyond music listening. I had a similar period after kind of a dry spell a few years ago where most of the music I was checking out wasn't doing as much for me as it used to. I probably had unreasonable standards too, I was wanting to find another band or two that could join my list of all-time greats. That's kind of rare, and usually takes time, years of frequent listening to absorb them. I eventually found more great stuff again, and have mostly been awash in it the last few years.
Mate, well done, I thought this too. Been a shit of a year and especially at work I think I've hit that burnout feeling. That certainly extends to most other things in life also.
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Wait.... There's a Fates Warning countdown? :blush
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57754.0
Thanks! I need to look in new topics more. :blush
:lol It's literally been sitting at the top of the page for the last couple of weeks.
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Some of which I'll find, most of which I won't, and I'm good with that.
It's been a lifelong struggle to grapple with this. The logical part of my brain understands it, the emotional part frequently wants to keep plowing through, thinking that eventually I'll win the war against our limited lifespans and 24-hour limit of time per day. Who needs sleep, I can listen to another album! :lol What powers so much of music exploration is the idea that somewhere out there is more music I'll like as much or more than anything else I've already heard, and I prove myself right often enough to fuel the addiction.
I've learned that I'm just not the kind of listener that can appreciate that much new stuff at once. I like to think that I'll find what I need to find at the right time.
Maybe when I "should" be doing is listening to the Blind Guardian, A-Z, and Figure of Speechless (Ray Alder etc) releases that I bought a few weeks ago. I've listened to them a few times each and I want to listen to them more at some point, but some point doesn't have to be now when I'd rather listen to Leprous and Arcturus and some Fates Warning because of the top 50 thread.
That's another struggle. With new releases weekly, people are generally more in the mood to talk about them shortly after they've come out. Interest drops off after that and it can be harder to get a discussion going, particularly if it's not a huge band that everybody is always willing to talk about. Another exception is end of the year lists, but at that point any individual album tends to get lost in the sea of things name-dropped. Some people just make it a weekly routine to check out new releases, as TAC mentioned somewhere, but my moods are more random and cyclical, I'm more likely to get behind several weeks or months and then go on a binge of checking out half a dozen a day for a few days, even a week or two.
I tried to have a routine like that at some point and I just wound up getting annoyed at "having" to listen to x amount of stuff. And I think it made me less receptive to it, which is counterproductive.
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New random thought: starting to participate in roulettes has completely changed the way I listen to music. Now I'm always going to be on the hunt for artists/albums/songs for them. I already have a growing list of potentials for later ones, depending upon the tastes of the potential host. And it's made me painfully aware of how many bands I like, but have no idea what might play well in a roulette without hearing the whole album again, at bare minimum. Mostly bands I like albums from but don't necessarily have many favorite tracks yet. I don't even know how the people who strictly listen to full albums straight through all the time do it. It takes many more listens that way.
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The Barnum Meserve - Designs ... AOTY Sleeper?
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New random thought: starting to participate in roulettes has completely changed the way I listen to music. Now I'm always going to be on the hunt for artists/albums/songs for them. I already have a growing list of potentials for later ones, depending upon the tastes of the potential host. And it's made me painfully aware of how many bands I like, but have no idea what might play well in a roulette without hearing the whole album again, at bare minimum. Mostly bands I like albums from but don't necessarily have many favorite tracks yet. I don't even know how the people who strictly listen to full albums straight through all the time do it. It takes many more listens that way.
Well, I usually listen to albums straight through... But that doesn't mean I can't listen to a handful of songs to see which one I want to send in a roulette...
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It's almost worth its own thread, but there are numerous modes of listening I've found myself in with their own quirks. Pleasure listening, analysis for personal lists (each with their own slant), analytical listening to post in various threads to give evidence for a point, and evaluative listening for the roulettes. Possibly others.
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It's almost worth its own thread, but there are numerous modes of listening I've found myself in with their own quirks. Pleasure listening, analysis for personal lists (each with their own slant), analytical listening to post in various threads to give evidence for a point, and evaluative listening for the roulettes. Possibly others.
Typically I listen to an album straight through as though I'm watching a movie start to finish, yeah some scenes are better than others like some songs are. Being there is so much music I already own and like and bands or albums I want to check out this has made me very picky because where does it end? I'm nearly at a point where I don't want discover new bands. Keeping up with the bands I like and their upcoming albums is tough enough for me. Putting on and enjoying albums I know note for note, word for word vs. give me something new to experience that I may or may not enjoy. This is where it gets annoying for me. At this point in my life and in music, I feel like I have pretty much heard it all, nothing is really groundbreaking anymore so I choose to stick with what I know which is more than I can handle already. UNLESS something new blows me away which is rare these days.
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New random thought: starting to participate in roulettes has completely changed the way I listen to music. Now I'm always going to be on the hunt for artists/albums/songs for them. I already have a growing list of potentials for later ones, depending upon the tastes of the potential host. And it's made me painfully aware of how many bands I like, but have no idea what might play well in a roulette without hearing the whole album again, at bare minimum. Mostly bands I like albums from but don't necessarily have many favorite tracks yet. I don't even know how the people who strictly listen to full albums straight through all the time do it. It takes many more listens that way.
Honestly you should do a roulette yourself - although your music knowledge seems quite vast, so your ban list could be huge ;D. But seriously you should consider doing one.
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New random thought: starting to participate in roulettes has completely changed the way I listen to music. Now I'm always going to be on the hunt for artists/albums/songs for them. I already have a growing list of potentials for later ones, depending upon the tastes of the potential host. And it's made me painfully aware of how many bands I like, but have no idea what might play well in a roulette without hearing the whole album again, at bare minimum. Mostly bands I like albums from but don't necessarily have many favorite tracks yet. I don't even know how the people who strictly listen to full albums straight through all the time do it. It takes many more listens that way.
Honestly you should do a roulette yourself - although your music knowledge seems quite vast, so your ban list could be huge ;D . But seriously you should consider doing one.
You probably haven't checked the song roulette tracker thread recently. I'm planning to do one, and should be next in the queue when one of the others finishes. The banned list is going to be tricky. I'm sure it'll be large, but not nearly as large as it could potentially be, because I'll mostly list artists I've given the highest ratings to. I don't have time to sift through all of my other ratings, so I'll just link my Rate Your Music page and people can search for whatever they want to send to see if I've already rated it. I guess it'll just have to be on a case-by-case basis if someone sends something I already know too well and just haven't gotten around to rating or bumping up on the rating on.
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My listening is very random. Not sure how I get to some places. I seen to be in a good place atm where I'm swinging fluidly from pop to grindcore to jazz to old classics without over-thinking it.
One thing I've realised I miss about physical music media - you can't peruse your collection and go, ooo, I'll put that on. There are favourite lists etc on Spotify but it's not the same.
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David Gilmour wrote a song called "Me & JC" for the movie "The Cement Garden"
That OST is mpossible to find.
Just wanna share that.
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One thing I've realised I miss about physical music media - you can't peruse your collection and go, ooo, I'll put that on. There are favourite lists etc on Spotify but it's not the same.
That's part of the reason I think for the resurgence of vinyl in the past decade or so. There's something ineffable and irreplaceable to the experience and tactility of seeing a stack of records, holding and opening them, watching them spin while they play, looking at larger artwork, lyrics and such.
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Rolling Stone have managed to invent their own definition of a Concept album, aka, pretty much any album.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-concept-albums-1234604040/styx-5-1234604537/
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One thing I've realised I miss about physical music media - you can't peruse your collection and go, ooo, I'll put that on. There are favourite lists etc on Spotify but it's not the same.
That's part of the reason I think for the resurgence of vinyl in the past decade or so. There's something ineffable and irreplaceable to the experience and tactility of seeing a stack of records, holding and opening them, watching them spin while they play, looking at larger artwork, lyrics and such.
If I had more space, I would definitely get on the vinyl bus...
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I'm with you guys, when it comes to keeping up with an ever growing library of music.
It was easy when you were a kid as they bands you were into was relatively small, and when that particular band came that opened the doors (Metallica for me) you just went all in. I exclusively listened to Metallica for at least 6 months when I got into them. I couldn't even fathom doing a week of listening to one artist now!
For me, I've learnt to keep up with everything with a really structured set of playlists. Not playlists with individual songs, but full albums.
I have posted this before but it goes next level nerdy. My main listening is still on my ipod, and I use the smart playlists to ensure I don't forget about albums that I haven't listened to in a while.
For those who don't know, you can load albums into a playlist then create a second 'smart playlist', using the initial one as the basis. You can then set it so the smart playlist will consist of say 200 songs that were least recently played. In that way it will ensure any albums I haven't listened to for a while get added to these playlists (I have multiple for certain genres, release years etc) so I can dip in.
I might end up deleting stuff of my ipod that I'm not wanting to listen to. I also have an 'on the go' playlist that is just a ever evolving one that has new albums or old favourites. I'll chuck them in. They may just get one play then taken out of the playlist, or stay in for a few months.
Then there's Spotify, which I use for new releases, DTF recommendations etc.
I'll find the post I made a few months about it, but basically without these playlists helping me automatically keep on top of it, I'd be left staring at a huge library not knowing what to listen to.
Anyone else do this?
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Rolling Stone have managed to invent their own definition of a Concept album, aka, pretty much any album.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-concept-albums-1234604040/styx-5-1234604537/
That magazine is infuriating. On what planet is Green Day's American Idiot "better" than The Wall?
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Rolling Stone have managed to invent their own definition of a Concept album, aka, pretty much any album.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-concept-albums-1234604040/styx-5-1234604537/
That magazine is infuriating. On what planet is Green Day's American Idiot "better" than The Wall?
I mean, I prefer American Idiot over The Wall. So I guess the answer to your question is planet Earth.
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Rolling Stone have managed to invent their own definition of a Concept album, aka, pretty much any album.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-concept-albums-1234604040/styx-5-1234604537/
That magazine is infuriating. On what planet is Green Day's American Idiot "better" than The Wall?
I mean, I prefer American Idiot over The Wall. So I guess the answer to your question is planet Earth.
I might even like it better too; it's not about "like". It's about the broader place in history.
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Rolling Stone have managed to invent their own definition of a Concept album, aka, pretty much any album.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-concept-albums-1234604040/styx-5-1234604537/
That magazine is infuriating. On what planet is Green Day's American Idiot "better" than The Wall?
I mean, I prefer American Idiot over The Wall. So I guess the answer to your question is planet Earth.
I might even like it better too; it's not about "like". It's about the broader place in history.
Is it? Better simply has too many meanings. One reason I rarely do any rankings.
Edit: I just looked to see if Rolling Stone defined best in any way, but they kept it pretty vague. Apparently it just has to be "musically awesome" and "conceptually tight."
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Rolling Stone have managed to invent their own definition of a Concept album, aka, pretty much any album.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-concept-albums-1234604040/styx-5-1234604537/
That magazine is infuriating. On what planet is Green Day's American Idiot "better" than The Wall?
Earth.
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Rolling Stone have managed to invent their own definition of a Concept album, aka, pretty much any album.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-concept-albums-1234604040/styx-5-1234604537/
That magazine is infuriating. On what planet is Green Day's American Idiot "better" than The Wall?
I mean, I prefer American Idiot over The Wall. So I guess the answer to your question is planet Earth.
I might even like it better too; it's not about "like". It's about the broader place in history.
But that's just your perspective and point of view. To some in my generation American Idiot was a huge deal. When it came out literally every one of my friends at the time owned it and loved it. It was played at every house party for at least a year.
I can't speak for everyone of my generation, but for many many people it was more of a landmark than The Wall ever was.
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Part of the problem is streaming sites do not make it easy to browse a collection of artists. I can mostly only speak for Amazon Music, but it is incredibly difficult to navigate to artists either through search or through your library. You pull up the artist, and then you have to click around some more to pull up a full set of albums, and then the albums aren't organized in any meaningful way. Whoever designed the interface for Amazon probably has never had to use the app. It's that bad.
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Rolling Stone have managed to invent their own definition of a Concept album, aka, pretty much any album.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-concept-albums-1234604040/styx-5-1234604537/
That magazine is infuriating. On what planet is Green Day's American Idiot "better" than The Wall?
I mean, I prefer American Idiot over The Wall. So I guess the answer to your question is planet Earth.
I might even like it better too; it's not about "like". It's about the broader place in history.
But that's just your perspective and point of view. To some in my generation American Idiot was a huge deal. When it came out literally every one of my friends at the time owned it and loved it. It was played at every house party for at least a year.
I can't speak for everyone of my generation, but for many many people it was more of a landmark than The Wall ever was.
Fair enough.
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Part of the problem is streaming sites do not make it easy to browse a collection of artists. I can mostly only speak for Amazon Music, but it is incredibly difficult to navigate to artists either through search or through your library. You pull up the artist, and then you have to click around some more to pull up a full set of albums, and then the albums aren't organized in any meaningful way. Whoever designed the interface for Amazon probably has never had to use the app. It's that bad.
I'm pretty happy with YouTube Music.
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Rolling Stone have managed to invent their own definition of a Concept album, aka, pretty much any album.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-concept-albums-1234604040/styx-5-1234604537/
That magazine is infuriating. On what planet is Green Day's American Idiot "better" than The Wall?
I mean, I prefer American Idiot over The Wall. So I guess the answer to your question is planet Earth.
I might even like it better too; it's not about "like". It's about the broader place in history.
But that's just your perspective and point of view. To some in my generation American Idiot was a huge deal. When it came out literally every one of my friends at the time owned it and loved it. It was played at every house party for at least a year.
I can't speak for everyone of my generation, but for many many people it was more of a landmark than The Wall ever was.
Fair enough.
Rolling Stone magazine?
(https://preview.redd.it/e2xhjfyqery41.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=91679129cbe83a4b69a87fc28d62682be5766992)
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Rolling Stone have managed to invent their own definition of a Concept album, aka, pretty much any album.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-concept-albums-1234604040/styx-5-1234604537/
That magazine is infuriating. On what planet is Green Day's American Idiot "better" than The Wall?
I mean, I prefer American Idiot over The Wall. So I guess the answer to your question is planet Earth.
I might even like it better too; it's not about "like". It's about the broader place in history.
But that's just your perspective and point of view. To some in my generation American Idiot was a huge deal. When it came out literally every one of my friends at the time owned it and loved it. It was played at every house party for at least a year.
I can't speak for everyone of my generation, but for many many people it was more of a landmark than The Wall ever was.
Fair enough.
Rolling Stone magazine?
(https://preview.redd.it/e2xhjfyqery41.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=91679129cbe83a4b69a87fc28d62682be5766992)
Creem.
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These are sort of extra-musical thoughts, but tangential enough I suppose.
I'm tempted every now and then to start a meta thread about roulettes. It's such a fascinating idea that I've never really seen anywhere else, but definitely is fun and promotes camaraderie and friendly competition, that would probably improve a number of other forums I've participated in or observed over the years. Many others here are familiar with then, even possibly jaded a bit, whereas I didn't start paying attention to them until just a few months ago.
Which brings up a related thought, that I'm in a weird position of being both one of the "oldest" (in forum years) members, lurking in and eventually participating in old DT forums in the 00s, and signed up on this specific board in '07, and yet one of the newest to this particular iteration, not rediscovering it until summer last year, so I have a dozen+ year gap of missing time.
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1st The Mars Volta, now Yes.
Prog On Lizzo!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qRQUNnm3MM
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Im not sure its possible for Thin Lizzy to get the accolades they truly deserve... it should be infinite
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Another extra-musical one. It occurs to me that there are a number of different groups of people who basically never interact, because they rarely if ever go to other sections of the forum from the one they spend the most time in. Every once in awhile I'll pop into a different sub-forum and glance at a thread, and often there are names I don't recognize.
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Im not sure its possible for Thin Lizzy to get the accolades they truly deserve... it should be infinite
At least Iron Maiden is very vocal about their influence on them, so they do live on with Metal's biggest band, and also in Metallica as well.
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Im not sure its possible for Thin Lizzy to get the accolades they truly deserve... it should be infinite
At least Iron Maiden is very vocal about their influence on them, so they do live on with Metal's biggest band, and also in Metallica as well.
I agree my brother I agree
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I'd say this is actually a pretty decent list..
https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/20-underrated-1970s-bands/ss-AA14beR1?cvid=76be6710453643cf9556be9d83ecbf31#image=21
I must say that I hear Vehicle almost daily on my work intercom music, and I had never even considered it was white guys. :lol
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Im not sure its possible for Thin Lizzy to get the accolades they truly deserve... it should be infinite
Amen.
I was listening to The Beatles Abbey Road this morning. I know they receive a ton of love and credit for helping shape popular music, but man, for a band that has been dissolved for 54 years, it's amazing how influential their work still is.
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:tup
Im not sure its possible for Thin Lizzy to get the accolades they truly deserve... it should be infinite
Amen.
I was listening to The Beatles Abbey Road this morning. I know they receive a ton of love and credit for helping shape popular music, but man, for a band that has been dissolved for 54 years, it's amazing how influential their work still is.
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Im not sure its possible for Thin Lizzy to get the accolades they truly deserve... it should be infinite
Amen.
I was listening to The Beatles Abbey Road this morning. I know they receive a ton of love and credit for helping shape popular music, but man, for a band that has been dissolved for 54 years, it's amazing how influential their work still is.
I've been listening to that a lot lately too, having gotten the Deluxe Remix. That is an almost perfect record.
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Im not sure its possible for Thin Lizzy to get the accolades they truly deserve... it should be infinite
Amen.
I was listening to The Beatles Abbey Road this morning. I know they receive a ton of love and credit for helping shape popular music, but man, for a band that has been dissolved for 54 years, it's amazing how influential their work still is.
I've been listening to that a lot lately too, having gotten the Deluxe Remix. That is an almost perfect record.
agreed Abby Road is simply amazing
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I have never in my life heard an entire Beatles album. Not knowing the tracklist on Abbey Road, I would assume I've heard most if not all of the songs on the radio though.
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I have never in my life heard an entire Beatles album. Not knowing the tracklist on Abbey Road, I would assume I've heard most if not all of the songs on the radio though.
Hmm. I only offer this because you are often willing to give things a shot... you should listen to Abbey Road once. Yeah, you may have heard many (or most) of the songs. Certainly Come Together, Something and Here Comes The Sun. But even if you don't like it, the album, and especially side two, is an experience, especially when you consider when and how it was done.
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I have it up on Spotify. Are there really 17 songs on it? What is the original tracklist?
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I have it up on Spotify. Are there really 17 songs on it? What is the original tracklist?
Side 2 is a medley of shorter songs, hence the 17.
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I have it up on Spotify. Are there really 17 songs on it? What is the original tracklist?
Side 2 is a medley of shorter songs, hence the 17.
What is the first song on Side 2?
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'Hello, Siri?'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbey_Road
We'd joked that perhaps I'd do a Beatles discography, once my Queen one ends in 2025. :D ( actually, I'll say 'Thank God It's Christmas' because that's when it will finish barring the unexpected.....)
Just the originals. One UK album (and one major EP) every 7-10 days (and related nonalbum 45s). A mention of the Past Masters and Anthology series. It would take less than four months.
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I wonder if there's still interest to do a Retro Songs of the Year Topic that was mentioned in the Retro Albums of the Year topic last year.
Suppose bumping that topic might album be worth asking in.
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Abbey Road is incredible. One of the best albums ever by anyone. I love a lot of music by the Beatles, but it doesn't get any better than Abbey Road.
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I have it up on Spotify. Are there really 17 songs on it? What is the original tracklist?
Side 2 is a medley of shorter songs, hence the 17.
What is the first song on Side 2?
The entire side is NOT a medley. Side 2 starts with "Here Comes The Sun", by George Harrison, then has "Because" by John. THEN the medley starts. And for those that care, there is a snippet at the end - "Her Majesty" - that was originally in the middle of the medley - between Mean Mr. Mustard and Polythene Pam - but McCartney didn't like it there and asked for it to be cut. Everyone around the Beatles was always instructed by George Martin to NEVER throw anything away, so one of the engineers tacked it on the end of the tape for safekeeping, except that it went to mastering that way. Paul liked the oddness of it, and so it stayed from that point on.
The deluxe version has a version of the medley with Her Majesty in it's original place (my opinion: the edit was the right thing to do).
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The entire side is NOT a medley. Side 2 starts with "Here Comes The Sun", by George Harrison, then has "Because" by John. THEN the medley starts. And for those that care, there is a snippet at the end - "Her Majesty" - that was originally in the middle of the medley - between Mean Mr. Mustard and Polythene Pam - but McCartney didn't like it there and asked for it to be cut. Everyone around the Beatles was always instructed by George Martin to NEVER throw anything away, so one of the engineers tacked it on the end of the tape for safekeeping, except that it went to mastering that way. Paul liked the oddness of it, and so it stayed from that point on.
The deluxe version has a version of the medley with Her Majesty in it's original place (my opinion: the edit was the right thing to do).
Agreed. Maybe I am just used to the medley with it tacked on at the end, but Her Majesty doesn't sound right throw in between MMM and PP.
I didn't know it until reading it online a few years ago, but apparently a lot of Beatles fans hate Maxwell's Silver Hammer. Fools. That song is all kinds of fun.
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Well, I think JOHN hated it, so what he says goes! :)
One thing I learned is that you can interpret the medley to be about the conflict between "selfishness" and "generosity", and that the "selfish" parts are in the key of A and the "generous" parts are in the key of C. Or something along those lines.
I get it, tastes, but in this humble man's opinion, there will never be another Beatles in their truest form.
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Just listened to Abbey Road again and remembered why I don’t own it. While side 2 is excellent, side 1 has a bunch of the more annoying Beatles songs, some of which have become kind of cliche at this point. Come Together, Maxwell’s Silver Hammer, Oh Darling, Octopus’s Garden, I Want You (She’s So Heavy) all miss me pretty badly. Something is good though. Here Comes The Sun is brilliant, and the medley is a lot of fun. But it’s at best one half great and one half not great (IMO).
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Help? Has anyone bought and band tees from Amazon Merch on demand? I didn't want to start a thread so I'm asking here. They have the rights to big name bands and I ordered a Thin Lizzy "Black Rose" shirt and I'm hoping its not a cheap ass tee shirt transfer.
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Help? Has anyone bought and band tees from Amazon Merch on demand? I didn't want to start a thread so I'm asking here. They have the rights to big name bands and I ordered a Thin Lizzy "Black Rose" shirt and I'm hoping its not a cheap ass tee shirt transfer.
I bought these and they're excellent quality..
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DQ7DO4M/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51g2+Aoh-fL._AC_UX679_.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/UqIjIWb.jpg?1)
They both seem to be unavailable, but were both sold by Bathroom Wall, and they are excellent quality.
Maybe see what else they have.
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That's real nice! But are they in the fabric or a transfer that feels like soft plastic?
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Oh I see, its sold on Amazon but not Amazon merch on demand. I can't find any Lizzy shirts from that seller.
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Tim, check this out. This is what I ordered.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09X89FHLY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&customId=B07535YF3H&psc=1
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I'm not sure what Merch On Demand is.
As far as the shirts go, it's not in the fabric. It's a transfer of some type, and perhaps they may flake over time. They are not cheap ass iron on things though.
I've washed the Lynott shirt at least a dozen times, and it's no worse for wear. The Gary short is newer and I've probably washed that one 4 or 5 times. I'm very happy with both.
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Tim, check this out. This is what I ordered.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09X89FHLY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&customId=B07535YF3H&psc=1
I like it!
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I'm not sure what Merch On Demand is.
As far as the shirts go, it's not in the fabric. It's a transfer of some type, and perhaps they may flake over time. They are not cheap ass iron on things though.
I've washed the Lynott shirt at least a dozen times, and it's no worse for wear. The Gary short is newer and I've probably washed that one 4 or 5 times. I'm very happy with both.
Merch on demand means they make it only when ordered. I figured that's what it was. I'll take a pic when I get it.
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I watched the R&RHOF induction ceremony last weekend. I scrolled through most of it that wasn't Pat Benatar and Judas Priest, but caught a bit of Sara Bareilles inducting Carly Simon. Bareilles mentioned that Simon couldn't be there because of "personal tragedy" and also mentioned that, when Simon started out, she had a group with her sister called The Simon Sisters. For whatever reason, I dove into Wikipedia and found that BOTH of her older sisters died within a day of each other only about a week or two before the ceremony. That just blows.
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This is me showing up at Kades house unannounced while he was recording the solo for "I Still Remember Someone Else" . :lol :lol :tup
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HzS9HOj_03E
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Hey! I'm not that bad! :lol
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Hey! I'm not that bad! :lol
Its hilarious!!! :rollin
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Wolfchong! :metal
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Dear God! :lol
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Dear God! :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p554R-Jq43A
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Dear God! :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p554R-Jq43A
I know this is going to be XTC.
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Dear God! :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p554R-Jq43A
I know this is going to be XTC.
Then you know it's going to suck. ;D
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Dear God! :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p554R-Jq43A
I know this is going to be XTC.
Then you know it's going to suck. ;D
Hence why I didn't click it. ;D
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I thought it was more Cheech & Chong. :lol
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I thought it was more Cheech & Chong. :lol
I mean...it could be, I guess.
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I thought it was more Cheech & Chong. :lol
The extended version. :lol :lol :lol
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JpGGiCJ0z2U
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Wow, that's some of the worst finger-syncing I've ever seen.
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I watched the R&RHOF induction ceremony last weekend. I scrolled through most of it that wasn't Pat Benatar and Judas Priest, but caught a bit of Sara Bareilles inducting Carly Simon. Bareilles mentioned that Simon couldn't be there because of "personal tragedy" and also mentioned that, when Simon started out, she had a group with her sister called The Simon Sisters. For whatever reason, I dove into Wikipedia and found that BOTH of her older sisters died within a day of each other only about a week or two before the ceremony. That just blows.
Oh my goodness, that's awful.
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Tangled Thoughts of Leaving - Tiny Fragments
remembering how much I loved this this today after making a Top 60 Modern Progressive Art Rock EPs list for rym and YouTube.
this track is brilliant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdXZNOnSoQY
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Today is the anniversary of the deaths (both passed the same day in 1991) of both Freddie Mercury and Eric Carr, who at 45 and 41 respectively, died way too young.
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Today is the anniversary of the deaths (both passed the same day in 1991) of both Freddie Mercury and Eric Carr, who at 45 and 41 respectively, died way too young.
I remember hearing about Eric Carr's death on the radio on my ride home from college for Thanksgiving. With it being before the days of the internet, I didn't hear about it until 3 days later. As a huge KISS fan, his death hurt A LOT more than that of Freddie Mercury. He has always been my favorite drummer of theirs.
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Today is the anniversary of the deaths (both passed the same day in 1991) of both Freddie Mercury and Eric Carr, who at 45 and 41 respectively, died way too young.
Good thing I recently bought Creatures of the Night. Will give it a listen tonight and pay extra attention to the drums.
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Blackie Lawless addresses backing tracks.
The kid that asks him has two ton balls!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrdvhcWcXQA
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Blackie Lawless addresses backing tracks.
The kid that asks him has two ton balls!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrdvhcWcXQA
Bye bye bye Ballcrusher!!!!!!
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He handled the question well though I thought.
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Stole the rent and drank all my J.D., she went and hijacked my brand new car. I say AC she says DC, the damned bitch is just too bizarre!!!
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Blackie Lawless addresses backing tracks.
The kid that asks him has two ton balls!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrdvhcWcXQA
I love him being honest about it. He handles that well.
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Blackie Lawless addresses backing tracks.
The kid that asks him has two ton balls!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrdvhcWcXQA
Man, I am glad he answered it honestly and calmly. His answer is one I've been trying to convey, in how the artists/musicians utilize backing tracks to bring the audience a fantastic musical "PERFORMANCE SHOW".
A fantastic example, which he also used...Queen has never, ever, ever played the most popular section of Bohemian Rhapsody live. That part is always a backing track, and why?....Because it's layered with doubling vocals, and actually doing this live would've been complicated to replicate live.
"To me, that was a treat and I don't care what anyone says. If I'm a fan, that's what I want to hear."
"If somebody is trying to bullshit an audience, No! I don't go along with that at all. You know, you're out there to do a job, do your job. But to supplement it, absolutely, you know, I wanna hear it."
These are two great quotes he gives to address the experience he has when musicians utilize backing tracks, and even playing to a click, to enhance their show production to give the audience the best possible musical experience.
It's why I sometimes wonder why people claim to be fans of music, but complain about so much about what they're getting (not directed at anyone here). Just be grateful you as a fan are witnessing these musicians playing the music, while also trying to present a production and show related to what the band is and the what the albums are about. I personally love seeing stage production that is related to an album theme, I like seeing the many Iron Maiden props, the giant Skeleton King sitting on a Throne. But, I also enjoy seeing four guys just playing music without presenting a show.
It's exactly why I do not give two shits about backing tracks, playing to a click, and all these things that are utilized to create a fantastic musical performance and show to the audience.
Which then brings me to my next thought...How would you feel if these bands that are selling out venues, and ticket prices being in such high demand they're asking for both arms and legs, were to downsize their show production to just them and play the many smaller venues that are in each state? Do you think these musicians are willing to tour consistently every day for a couple of years and play every possible venue to meet that demand of fans that want to see them play their music?
Personally, I would love to see musicians downsize their show production and play to as many people as they can, which includes playing smaller venues, but not every musician wants to tour every day for a couple of years to meet the demand of fans who do want to hear their music, and I respect that. I also do want musicians to present their music as best as they can to the give the fans a fantastic musical experience. Especially, if the album is a concept album, I want them to go all out with how they present the concept, and all out means full on Broadway production with a cast and stage production, mainly if it is narrative with a cast of characters.
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Blackie Lawless addresses backing tracks.
The kid that asks him has two ton balls!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrdvhcWcXQA
Oh, and apparently it IS Synchin' Stanley who asked the question.
He posted this vid too..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrCRW7jxxKI
Check this backing track snafu..
https://youtu.be/fPGu4VN7bLA?t=2160
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Fuck I can't stand that Eddie Trunk guy.
That link Tim is a definite fuck up from Blackie there, but you can hear his voice come in over the top once he starts singing. Seems like a Labrie situation.
I mean, he's 66 years old, I'd just be happy to see him again over here.
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Fuck I can't stand that Eddie Trunk guy.
No shit; half of that video is all about him. God he is annoying.
And he's dead wrong on a number of points; it CAN BE still live. It CAN still sound different every night (venues do contribute to the sound). He's trying to make this absolute and it's not.
I go to concerts for any of a number of reasons, and "what the band sounds like live" isn't always the only factor. If the four or whatever members are all playing live, and they put in, say, chant vocals, or a drum rhythm track or whatever, who fucking cares?
And Blackie Lawless is not Def Leppard; Def Lep plays to 50,000 people a night and has TWO diamond records, and Blackie is probably playing live to eat. He can't afford an off night, or to pay four other musicians to sing behind him.
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Blackie Lawless addresses backing tracks.
The kid that asks him has two ton balls!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrdvhcWcXQA
Oh, and apparently it IS Synchin' Stanley who asked the question.
He posted this vid too..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrCRW7jxxKI
Check this backing track snafu..
https://youtu.be/fPGu4VN7bLA?t=2160
One, what's the deal with "Synchin' Stanley"??
Two, that's NOT what Blackie said. He claimed to do all his own singing live, and to be piping in BACKGROUND vocals. That seems to me that the LEAD vocal is augmented there as well. I'm very flexible with respect to the tracks being played, but if any member can STOP their part midway and you can still hear it, I'm not sure I'm okay with that.
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https://twitter.com/AllMediaReviews/status/1597829275339862016
One could argue, it is your responsibility to revisit favorite things (music, food, film, books) regularly to maintain belief they are still favorites. Per if you don't, your memory of your love for them may not be maintained.
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https://twitter.com/AllMediaReviews/status/1597829275339862016
One could argue, it is your responsibility to revisit favorite things (music, food, film, books) regularly to maintain belief they are still favorites. Per if you don't, your memory of your love for them may not be maintained.
There's an interesting corollary to that. There's some music I like that is heavily associated with certain periods of time, events, or particular geographical locations. Revisiting it occasionally brings a lot of enjoyable nostalgia. But I worry about doing it too often, or trying to apply it to other contexts, for fear that the former connections might start diminishing.
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Well, I'm 50, and there are certainly songs and artists that I loved when I was younger that I don't love anymore. I will still listen once in a blue moon, and have some nostalgic fun, but I no longer think it's really all that good.
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https://twitter.com/AllMediaReviews/status/1597829275339862016
One could argue, it is your responsibility to revisit favorite things (music, food, film, books) regularly to maintain belief they are still favorites. Per if you don't, your memory of your love for them may not be maintained.
Shit...that might be one of the most Stadler comments not to come from Stadler. That said, I revisit my favorite stuff regularly because I love them, not to confirm that I still love them. If I don't revisit them anymore, then they're no longer favorites.
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https://twitter.com/AllMediaReviews/status/1597829275339862016
One could argue, it is your responsibility to revisit favorite things (music, food, film, books) regularly to maintain belief they are still favorites. Per if you don't, your memory of your love for them may not be maintained.
Shit...that might be one of the most Stadler comments not to come from Stadler. That said, I revisit my favorite stuff regularly because I love them, not to confirm that I still love them. If I don't revisit them anymore, then they're no longer favorites.
I felt a glow while reading it. :)
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lol. I don't have memory reading it from you Stadler.
I recall a podcast known as "Velocities in Music" where the very idea came up and the guy who mentioned it, I felt made a very good point. If you don't listen to the music you used to love regularly, it can seem to lose value. Now, I suppose if certain music you love, is really best for certain moods/times/seasons, I can follow why you may not want to listen to it every day or week or month.
But there is something to be said if you love music, but have not listened to it in ages, how well do you know it now as opposed to when you first listened to it a lot more? you may not remember how much you do until you listen to it again. Or, you may not enjoy it like you once did. But to fully know, you really would need to listen to it more regularly to be clear.
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I listen to my favorite music regularly because..it's my favorite music.
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lol. I don't have memory reading it from you Stadler.
I recall a podcast known as "Velocities in Music" where the very idea came up and the guy who mentioned it, I felt made a very good point. If you don't listen to the music you used to love regularly, it can seem to lose value. Now, I suppose if certain music you love, is really best for certain moods/times/seasons, I can follow why you may not want to listen to it every day or week or month.
But there is something to be said if you love music, but have not listened to it in ages, how well do you know it now as opposed to when you first listened to it a lot more? you may not remember how much you do until you listen to it again. Or, you may not enjoy it like you once did. But to fully know, you really would need to listen to it more regularly to be clear.
Yeah, I think bouts of occasional revisits are important. The results are all over the map. Sometimes I listen and they're even better than I remember them being, and they go back into my rotation again. Sometimes I find out my fondness was based on rosy retrospection and they weren't all that great. Sometimes they're pleasant enough, but I realize that I milked all of the juice out long ago and I'm not really hearing anything new, so I'm good not hearing them again for years.
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I listen to my favorite music regularly because..it's my favorite music.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZfhECIB9me4/VsDhiWxbNRI/AAAAAAAFuqE/SdR-bJ9Nx48/s1600/001%2BEddie%2BMurphy%2Bas%2BAxel%2BFoley%2B%2BM00048.jpg)
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lol. I don't have memory reading it from you Stadler.
I recall a podcast known as "Velocities in Music" where the very idea came up and the guy who mentioned it, I felt made a very good point. If you don't listen to the music you used to love regularly, it can seem to lose value. Now, I suppose if certain music you love, is really best for certain moods/times/seasons, I can follow why you may not want to listen to it every day or week or month.
But there is something to be said if you love music, but have not listened to it in ages, how well do you know it now as opposed to when you first listened to it a lot more? you may not remember how much you do until you listen to it again. Or, you may not enjoy it like you once did. But to fully know, you really would need to listen to it more regularly to be clear.
That makes complete sense to me. If you don't sing certain songs, you will forget the songs. Utilized within cultures, it is integral in certain ones, and certain songs are in fact, really old songs, that were remembered only because people continued to sing them.
I have listened to many songs that I haven't heard since I was young, and never knew who performed it or what the name of it was. When I found out who it was and what the song was called, I would finally listen to it again, and depending on the song, I have either still loved it, or found out I only liked a certain part. But, I still listen to these songs regardless because for me, they implanted a memory and are a reason for me to enjoy the song.
Doing this made me realize I still enjoy all the Pop I used to listen to when I was 5-10 years old. Only now, I am not ashamed of playing that music or saying I enjoy listening to it, unlike my teen years.
You know what I found that has done me wonders, I don't listen to much radio anymore. I only listen to what I want to listen to and if I want to listen to Enter Sandman, I will listen and enjoy it a lot. My issue with radio is how much certain songs are overplayed, and with there being so much music out there, I feel no need to hear any of those songs. Since I have stopped listening to radio, I have now felt like listening to those songs and because of this time off, the songs sound a bit more fresh. It's like dusting off an old photograph book and looking through the pictures. This is why I appreciate services like Spotify, it's easy access to these radio bands. I do though, support the non-radio bands, and sometimes, these bands don't have their stuff on any streaming services.
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I kind of love that feeling of hearing something I haven't heard in a long time and thinking "WOW, that is GOOD; I remember now why I love that!"
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Figured the "random" thread would be a good place for this:
Worst album art of 2022:
https://toiletovhell.com/the-worst-album-art-of-2022/
Just for fun...some real gems in there :biggrin:
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Figured the "random" thread would be a good place for this:
Worst album art of 2022:
https://toiletovhell.com/the-worst-album-art-of-2022/
Just for fun...some real gems in there :biggrin:
Like scrolling through the "What Album Are You Listening To?" thread.
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Figured the "random" thread would be a good place for this:
Worst album art of 2022:
https://toiletovhell.com/the-worst-album-art-of-2022/
Just for fun...some real gems in there :biggrin:
(https://i0.wp.com/toiletovhell.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Ballsqueezer.jpg?resize=768%2C768&ssl=1)
WTF is going on in this one? :lol
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Lol, that's random AF, love it! :lol
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Ballsqeezer is on Spotify. Their music isn't nearly as fucked up as their album art.
Here's their 2019 album Wrong Hole..
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61pb0eoX3FL._UXNaN_FMjpg_QL85_.jpg)
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Ballsqeezer is on Spotify. Their music isn't nearly as fucked up as their album art.
Here's their 2019 album Wrong Hole..
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61pb0eoX3FL._UXNaN_FMjpg_QL85_.jpg)
:lol
I guess great album art really is their thing!
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Oh dear! :rollin
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Ballsqeezer is on Spotify. Their music isn't nearly as fucked up as their album art.
Here's their 2019 album Wrong Hole..
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61pb0eoX3FL._UXNaN_FMjpg_QL85_.jpg)
:lol
I guess great album art really is their thing!
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Me walking into this thread...
(https://media.tenor.com/tQu-LBctuDAAAAAC/community-donald-glover.gif)
Interesting read on the top prog guitarists in 2022. Not gonna spoil it but glad to see my boys featured in here.
https://www.musicradar.com/news/best-of-2022-best-prog-guitarists-2022 (https://www.musicradar.com/news/best-of-2022-best-prog-guitarists-2022)
Figured the "random" thread would be a good place for this:
Worst album art of 2022:
https://toiletovhell.com/the-worst-album-art-of-2022/
Just for fun...some real gems in there :biggrin:
(https://i0.wp.com/toiletovhell.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Ballsqueezer.jpg?resize=768%2C768&ssl=1)
WTF is going on in this one? :lol
I think this is a scene from Fires of Heaven, book 5 in The Wheel of Time series. If you know, you know.
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The worst thing about running a roulette during the end of the year is that I really want to work on my year-end lists more, but I have to keep chipping away at writeups or TAC will howl. :)
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TAC can only howl after he's provided his impressions of The Great Cold Distance...
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Speaking of outstanding album covers from the past year...
(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a3819607676_10.jpg)
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Speaking of outstanding album covers from the past year...
(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a3819607676_10.jpg)
:rollin
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Listening to a couple of EPs from last year gave me this thought tonight...
Albums these days are just way too long. I'm all for more music, but a 70-80 min CD experience is just too damn long. Also, there's way too much time between releases for most bands. I'd rather have 40 minutes of new music every year and a half rather than 80 minutes every three years.
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Listening to a couple of EPs from last year gave me this thought tonight...
Albums these days are just way too long. I'm all for more music, but a 70-80 min CD experience is just too damn long. Also, there's way too much time between releases for most bands. I'd rather have 40 minutes of new music every year and a half rather than 80 minutes every three years.
Ahhh! Yes! I 100% agree! I remember replaying the same album as soon as it ended over and over back when albums were under 45 minutes. Now with a lot of albums I either skip songs or need a break when they end. I say trim the fat and make every minute of every song matter.
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Listening to a couple of EPs from last year gave me this thought tonight...
Albums these days are just way too long. I'm all for more music, but a 70-80 min CD experience is just too damn long. Also, there's way too much time between releases for most bands. I'd rather have 40 minutes of new music every year and a half rather than 80 minutes every three years.
I dunno. I'm fine with it. Certainly if it's DT, then give me the full 80 minutes. If they don't have 80 minutes worth, then that's fine, I'm not going to complain about it. But I don't want a single second cut from any of their long albums (except MP's vocals...;)).
I suppose I could be sold on 40 minutes every 18 months, but I guess only if that's all they write. Sonder (Tesseract) is 37 minutes, and to me it feels way too short, but I'm not really going to complain about that either; I think is a masterpiece and I always listen to it twice.... which means it's close to 80 minutes so I dunno, if I like it, then I want them to just give me whatever they've got. If a band is putting out bad songs just to get to 80 minutes I wouldn't want that of course.
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Listening to a couple of EPs from last year gave me this thought tonight...
Albums these days are just way too long. I'm all for more music, but a 70-80 min CD experience is just too damn long. Also, there's way too much time between releases for most bands. I'd rather have 40 minutes of new music every year and a half rather than 80 minutes every three years.
Yeah, I don't disagree there. I mean, I don't know if it's a statement I'd make across the board, but these days there seems to be a tendency to want to stuff an album with the max amount of allowed music.
I was thinking the same thing with a record I was checking out yesterday (from Stormuler):
(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a1654540199_10.jpg)
I mean, there's some real tasty blackened melodic death metal here - at times it sounds like Dissection at their best - but it's 74 minutes long! 20 tracks (half of which are short interludes, to be fair)...it's a bit much. It's almost like one needs an intermission, a bathroom break or something...
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Just dropped the needle on a couple of tracks from the Stormruler. That's pretty nice. But I don't have 74 minutes to spend with it tonight! :lol
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OK if it's a death metal album, then yes, 40 minutes is probably more than enough.... ;)
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I think it's tricky to generalize there. It depends greatly upon what genre you're into. If you're listening primarily to prog rock/metal with bands who have a penchant for epics, yeah, you're gonna get a lot of lengthy albums. Many genres I listen to tend to have relatively short albums, sometimes only in the 25-35 minute range, and sometimes I find myself saying "that's all?" at the end, and wishing they had more out. Some bands only seem to release singles and EPs these days, and those almost always feel too short.
Some of it is technology-driven. You can't fit 80 minutes onto a standard vinyl release, so that wasn't even a thing until CDs became ubiquitous. Of course you had some bands release double vinyl. I think the economics of the industry dictate choices for some artists as well. It's harder for smaller artists to make much income off of music anymore, so you might be limited to recording when you've saved up enough finances and vacation hours to book studio time, and then it makes sense logistically to knock out a bunch at once, especially if you're trying to coordinate the schedules of multiple people. And then some of the big bands who do make enough just seem to tour endlessly, rarely bothering to record anything new at all.
And "trimming the fat" is so subjective. Certain bands often have B-sides that I like more than most of the album material. Sometimes their "hits" I find to be their least interesting songs. And since a decent chunk of my listening is to my own curated playlists, having 80 minutes of material gives twice as many chances to find great songs as 40 does.
This is all part of why my year-end lists increasingly have a section for EPs, and why I'll also create a best songs of the year thread, because so much of the best material bands are putting out aren't even on a proper full-length album release anymore.
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Listening to a couple of EPs from last year gave me this thought tonight...
Albums these days are just way too long. I'm all for more music, but a 70-80 min CD experience is just too damn long. Also, there's way too much time between releases for most bands. I'd rather have 40 minutes of new music every year and a half rather than 80 minutes every three years.
I'm with you on that.
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Listening to a couple of EPs from last year gave me this thought tonight...
Albums these days are just way too long. I'm all for more music, but a 70-80 min CD experience is just too damn long. Also, there's way too much time between releases for most bands. I'd rather have 40 minutes of new music every year and a half rather than 80 minutes every three years.
I'm with you on that.
Me three—give me a solid 18 minutes on each side, regardless of genre, and that's all I need (for the most part).
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Original post with new link below.
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something i just stumbled upon: Comedian Bill Burr i guess is a Porcupine Tree fan.
At 24:30 he talks about Porcupine Tree and reads an email suggesting Cynic, Death and Black Dahlia Murder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ-1H0GzUnI
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something i just stumbled upon: Comedian Bill Burr i guess is a Porcupine Tree fan.
At 24:30 he talks about Porcupine Tree and reads an email suggesting Cynic, Death and Black Dahlia Murder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ-1H0GzUnI
Yea, he was raving about the new PT album for a while there. Also when he had Wolfgang Van Halen on they spent a little while talking about Gavin Harrison.
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something i just stumbled upon: Comedian Bill Burr i guess is a Porcupine Tree fan.
At 24:30 he talks about Porcupine Tree and reads an email suggesting Cynic, Death and Black Dahlia Murder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ-1H0GzUnI
New link! https://we.tl/t-uztPtC88Fw
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I want to share a very personal and excellent demo. My friend Bill Rogers who briefly sang with DT, rehearsed with them and recorded some demos that Bill and I sadly don't have anymore. The only reason they were never included in the official demo bootleg series is because they couldn't get in touch with Bill for permission. They loved his voice and he totally crushed on Status Seeker, Killing Hand and Fortune in Lies. On Images & Words liner notes they thanked Bill and his then manager Hans. Anyway, one of Bills bands right after this recorded an absolute gem of a demo. I remastered it and would love to share it with all of you. I uploaded it to wetransfer for you. Feedback would be excellent! Dominion, Traditional power prog metal. Enjoy! :)
New link! https://we.tl/t-uztPtC88Fw
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People need to download this. It's amazing!
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I'll make sure I'll check it out Tom.
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It's a lot like No Exit era Fates Warning.
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Nice.
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^the link expired. reupload?
something i just stumbled upon: Comedian Bill Burr i guess is a Porcupine Tree fan.
At 24:30 he talks about Porcupine Tree and reads an email suggesting Cynic, Death and Black Dahlia Murder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ-1H0GzUnI
Nice! I was already a huge fan of Bill Burr, and that is awesome to see that he loves great music as well. :tup :tup
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People need to download this. It's amazing!
Its one of the best pieces of music I own! This should have had an official release. Bills voice is so extremely powerful, the guys in DT were floored when they saw him live before asking him to audition. When I played the demo before this one for Portnoy he was stunned. So when I , along with Mike, JP, John and Kevin went to see him live they were jawdropped that his voice was as powerful live. They really wanted him for Images and Words but for reasons that I'll leave private, it didn't happen. Anyway, enjoy the Dominion demo!
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People need to download this. It's amazing!
Its one of the best pieces of music I own! This should have had an official release. Bills voice is so extremely powerful, the guys in DT were floored when they saw him live before asking him to audition. When I played the demo before this one for Portnoy he was stunned. So when I , along with Mike, JP, John and Kevin went to see him live they were jawdropped that his voice was as powerful live. They really wanted him for Images and Words but for reasons that I'll leave private, it didn't happen. Anyway, enjoy the Dominion demo!
Wait what? You know the DT guys? Did I miss something?
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People need to download this. It's amazing!
Its one of the best pieces of music I own! This should have had an official release. Bills voice is so extremely powerful, the guys in DT were floored when they saw him live before asking him to audition. When I played the demo before this one for Portnoy he was stunned. So when I , along with Mike, JP, John and Kevin went to see him live they were jawdropped that his voice was as powerful live. They really wanted him for Images and Words but for reasons that I'll leave private, it didn't happen. Anyway, enjoy the Dominion demo!
Wait what? You know the DT guys? Did I miss something?
Yes. I met Portnoy at a Metal Church, WASP and Accept show after WDAU was released, we became friends. Hung out with them for a few years then it just faded. The last time I spoke to Portnoy and Petrucci was after a gig on the Awake tour when Derek was pretty much still learning the songs. I can't remember what song it was but they stopped, told Derek what he missed and they restarted it. After the show they were signing outside and I hung with Mike and John as well as Rena and Marlene. I did speak to Rena at the Score show, shes such a nice person, always was. After that, life got in the way. JP is truly one of nicest dudes. Myung and Kevin Moore were very much to themselves, more Myung honestly. I remember going to a DT rehearsal for a second time and Kevin was getting out of his car next to me and asked why I bothered going, like it was boring. Lol! But it was fun getting asked what song I wanted to hear during practice. Remember, all they had was the demo and WDADU, ACOS original version and Metropolis early stages. Good times. My first request was Light Fuse and Get Away!
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Wow mate! :metal
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Wow mate! :metal
Now I'm pretty sure they wouldn't even piss on me if I was on fire.
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:lol
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This link was uploaded by me and has a week left. Has anyone but TAC grabbed it? Its pretty amazing stuff.
Dominion!
https://we.tl/t-uztPtC88Fw
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Now I'm pretty sure they wouldn't even piss on me if I was on fire.
I bet Rena would be nice enough to pee on you. ;D
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This link was uploaded by me and has a week left. Has anyone but TAC grabbed it? Its pretty amazing stuff.
Dominion!
https://we.tl/t-uztPtC88Fw
Behold The Despair :metal :metal :metal
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Now I'm pretty sure they wouldn't even piss on me if I was on fire.
I bet Rena would be nice enough to pee on you. ;D
How do you know she hasn't already? Kidding! :biggrin:
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This link was uploaded by me and has a week left. Has anyone but TAC grabbed it? Its pretty amazing stuff.
Dominion!
https://we.tl/t-uztPtC88Fw
Behold The Despair :metal :metal :metal
I'm guessing that's your favorite tune?
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This link was uploaded by me and has a week left. Has anyone but TAC grabbed it? Its pretty amazing stuff.
Dominion!
https://we.tl/t-uztPtC88Fw
I will mate. Im just never on my PC, but I promise I will.
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This link was uploaded by me and has a week left. Has anyone but TAC grabbed it? Its pretty amazing stuff.
Dominion!
https://we.tl/t-uztPtC88Fw
I did, but haven't got a chance to listen to it yet. I just heard Dominion and I liked what I heard.
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This link was uploaded by me and has a week left. Has anyone but TAC grabbed it? Its pretty amazing stuff.
Dominion!
https://we.tl/t-uztPtC88Fw
I did, but haven't got a chance to listen to it yet. I just heard Dominion and I liked what I heard.
Very cool! Looking forward to your thoughts. :metal
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This link was uploaded by me and has a week left. Has anyone but TAC grabbed it? Its pretty amazing stuff.
Dominion!
https://we.tl/t-uztPtC88Fw
Behold The Despair :metal :metal :metal
Holy fuck, I just downloaded it and sampled this track and this fucking rips. This dudes pipes are insane and I love the mellow solo in the middle. The bass is incredible too. This sounds fantastic Tom. Maybe I'll just come over Tom and you can record me. :metal
This song reminds me definitely of older FW, even Arch era with the vocals and even Brent's band he pimped Elegy. I get a lot of those sort of vibes. Reminds me of something else too which I can't really put my finger on. I'll check out the rest hopefully tomorrow.
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This link was uploaded by me and has a week left. Has anyone but TAC grabbed it? Its pretty amazing stuff.
Dominion!
https://we.tl/t-uztPtC88Fw
Behold The Despair :metal :metal :metal
Holy fuck, I just downloaded it and sampled this track and this fucking rips. This dudes pipes are insane and I love the mellow solo in the middle. The bass is incredible too. This sounds fantastic Tom. Maybe I'll just come over Tom and you can record me. :metal
This song reminds me definitely of older FW, even Arch era with the vocals and even Brent's band he pimped Elegy. I get a lot of those sort of vibes. Reminds me of something else too which I can't really put my finger on. I'll check out the rest hopefully tomorrow.
I'm glad you like it! Its from the early 90's and still holds up. Bill has massive pipes. I LOVE older Elegy! Labyrinth of Dreams, Supremacy, and Lost are incredible albums!
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Yeah, looking forward to digging into the whole thing. :metal
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I just thought of something. I'm pretty positive I saw Jeffrey Gaines open for DT. I just can't remember when. I'm pretty sure it was a one off thing.... Anyone?
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I don't even know who the fuck that is.
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This kind of blew my mind. Interesting collaboration. I had no idea Joe Elliot was a fan of Ghost but apparently they are fans of Def Leppard. Check out this video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fEll1eM04ds&feature=youtu.be
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(https://classicalbumsundays.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Marquee-Moon-Vinyl-Rip-2012-cover.jpg)
Rest in Peace #TomVerlaine of #thebandTelevision .
I knew about this album for ages, after seeing it in @rollingstone Top 100 Influential Albums from 1967-1987, when I bought the issue the Summer of '88?.
I later learned they were sort of the quintessential "Art Rock" band in some ways, and then I finally got around to listening to the entire Marquee Moon album a couple of years ago and concluded it totally justified its "classic" status.
RIP Tom Verlaine, the singer/guitarist and frontman of Television.
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^Yeah Marquee Moon is a fantastic album! R.I.P. Tom Verlaine. :(
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Voivod- The Nile Song
holy shit, I forgot how good of a cover this is!
https://open.spotify.com/track/5Jia4PZEyi97r0prKdHJes
The Pineapple Thief - The World I Always Dreamed Of
I'm not really a fan of The Pineapple Thief, but this tune, despite the Radiohead element in the 1st half, I was reminded why the last couple minutes, the OUTRO is gorgeous.
https://open.spotify.com/track/4cZi17DKdTaLj4dJrx0PKa
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This is more meta and not entirely musical, but I've increasingly been thinking about how really DTF is a collection of overlapping separate forums. There are people who only really go into specific sub-forums or even into certain types of threads, and some of these people never really wind up interacting with each other. Just a few of the major divisions are general discussion, music discussion, DT-specific, probably P&R and the other sub-forums, roulettes, the what album are you listening to thread, etc. There are people with sizeable post counts who you rarely see outside of one or two of those types of sub-forums or threads. I'm sort of one of them, really.
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This is more meta and not entirely musical, but I've increasingly been thinking about how really DTF is a collection of overlapping separate forums. There are people who only really go into specific sub-forums or even into certain types of threads, and some of these people never really wind up interacting with each other. Just a few of the major divisions are general discussion, music discussion, DT-specific, probably P&R and the other sub-forums, roulettes, the what album are you listening to thread, etc. There are people with sizeable post counts who you rarely see outside of one or two of those types of sub-forums or threads. I'm sort of one them, really.
But the beautiful thing is, you can step outside that any time you want. I spend most of my time in certain areas, but every once in a while I venture out. :)
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I rarely post outside of the General Music forum, but I do read others when I get bored.
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yeah I notice that too. Especially when I see a name I haven't seen in years post, and then it turns out, they post regularly in General Chat but rarely in General Music Discussion.
I have a habit frequently getting the most out of discussion forums in Music that is everything but the Primary band the forum/group is for which is kind of fucked up, lol.
I'm noticing some similar things in FB Groups and Discord Channels.
There is 1 forum I'm on which just has a "New Posts" link that is for all posts in every Subforum, which I'm not sure, but might actually be something that would be good for this place.
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Yea it's a weird one. Over 90% of my posts are in the General Music Discussion part of the forum. I posted in the Dream Theater section a few times when I first joined, and had periods of posting in Polls/General Discussion.
In my head (although probably not that accurate) I see the 'What Album Thread' as the main place that everyone (who at least posts in General Music Discussion) frequents. Like, everyone is going to dip in there at some point, and most people will see my posts.
I am not really a fan of Rush or Iron Maiden, so never take part in any of the convos over there. There will be huge discussions/jokes/arguments that just completely passed by. I truly love this place and have started posting a bit more in General Discussion at the moment, exactly because I will end up interacting a bit more with members I often miss.
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Yea it's a weird one. Over 90% of my posts are in the General Music Discussion part of the forum. I posted in the Dream Theater section a few times when I first joined, and had periods of posting in Polls/General Discussion.
In my head (although probably not that accurate) I see the 'What Album Thread' as the main place that everyone (who at least posts in General Music Discussion) frequents. Like, everyone is going to dip in there at some point, and most people will see my posts.
I am not really a fan of Rush or Iron Maiden, so never take part in any of the convos over there. There will be huge discussions/jokes/arguments that just completely passed by. I truly love this place and have started posting a bit more in General Discussion at the moment, exactly because I will end up interacting a bit more with members I often miss.
I enjoy your interaction man. We have a lot of similar music interests. I enjoy the folks here. :tup
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Yea it's a weird one. Over 90% of my posts are in the General Music Discussion part of the forum. I posted in the Dream Theater section a few times when I first joined, and had periods of posting in Polls/General Discussion.
In my head (although probably not that accurate) I see the 'What Album Thread' as the main place that everyone (who at least posts in General Music Discussion) frequents. Like, everyone is going to dip in there at some point, and most people will see my posts.
I am not really a fan of Rush or Iron Maiden, so never take part in any of the convos over there. There will be huge discussions/jokes/arguments that just completely passed by. I truly love this place and have started posting a bit more in General Discussion at the moment, exactly because I will end up interacting a bit more with members I often miss.
I enjoy your interaction man. We have a lot of similar music interests. I enjoy the folks here. :tup
I thought so too, until I found out your favourite band is KISS :neverusethis:
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Yea it's a weird one. Over 90% of my posts are in the General Music Discussion part of the forum. I posted in the Dream Theater section a few times when I first joined, and had periods of posting in Polls/General Discussion.
In my head (although probably not that accurate) I see the 'What Album Thread' as the main place that everyone (who at least posts in General Music Discussion) frequents. Like, everyone is going to dip in there at some point, and most people will see my posts.
I am not really a fan of Rush or Iron Maiden, so never take part in any of the convos over there. There will be huge discussions/jokes/arguments that just completely passed by. I truly love this place and have started posting a bit more in General Discussion at the moment, exactly because I will end up interacting a bit more with members I often miss.
I enjoy your interaction man. We have a lot of similar music interests. I enjoy the folks here. :tup
I thought so too, until I found out your favourite band is KISS :neverusethis:
Really? Damn! I'm 53 and grew up on them. I love a lot of punk, hardcore, death metal. My roots are with Kiss, Ozzy, Priest etc....
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Yea it's a weird one. Over 90% of my posts are in the General Music Discussion part of the forum. I posted in the Dream Theater section a few times when I first joined, and had periods of posting in Polls/General Discussion.
In my head (although probably not that accurate) I see the 'What Album Thread' as the main place that everyone (who at least posts in General Music Discussion) frequents. Like, everyone is going to dip in there at some point, and most people will see my posts.
I am not really a fan of Rush or Iron Maiden, so never take part in any of the convos over there. There will be huge discussions/jokes/arguments that just completely passed by. I truly love this place and have started posting a bit more in General Discussion at the moment, exactly because I will end up interacting a bit more with members I often miss.
I enjoy your interaction man. We have a lot of similar music interests. I enjoy the folks here. :tup
I thought so too, until I found out your favourite band is KISS :neverusethis:
Really? Damn! I'm 53 and grew up on them. I love a lot of punk, hardcore, death metal. My roots are with Kiss, Ozzy, Priest etc....
I'm just yanking ya nads. I personally can't get on board with KISS (mainly because of how much of a tool Gene Simmons is) but I'm 13 years your junior so didn't grow up with them live you did. Nice to have someone else who loves all the good hardcore punk though.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD_DoKo5Dg8
Preach on brother. Compare this with what was in the Top 10 this week 40 years ago in 1983.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD_DoKo5Dg8
Preach on brother. Compare this with what was in the Top 10 this week 40 years ago in 1983.
I like Beato, but he comes off a bit too "old man yelling at the kids to give off his grass" whenever he talks about most new music.
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Completely agree with you Kev about Beato. I used to watch his channel all the time but now really just go for interviews. It just because too much "can you believe the quantized the drums to a grid?!?" Yes, I believe it, music's changed old man.
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I haven't watched that much of his stuff in awhile, but he's always been like that, and yet, far more receptive to newer and mainstream music than most people his age and pedigree.
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I considered starting a thread about this, but it seems to fit well in the category of random musical thoughts . . .
Lately, I've been thinking: if Iron Maiden were a vegetable, they would be a potato. Versatile, hearty, and with well-deserved wide appeal.
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I think Meshuggah live is the most bad-ass metal band in the world right now.
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I think Meshuggah live is the most bad-ass metal band in the world right now.
That's a hot take, and a damn great one brother! :metal :metal :metal
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Meshuggah are a band that seeing live, I can imagine being similar to being caught in an avalanche. An intense experience in which you are lucky to escape with your life, but you wouldn't want to do it every day.
I can only listen to them for the period of one album at a time, they are just too intense and monotonous. I'd love to witness them live though.
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Meshuggah are a band that seeing live, I can imagine being similar to being caught in an avalanche. An intense experience in which you are lucky to escape with your life, but you wouldn't want to do it every day.
I can only listen to them for the period of one album at a time, they are just too intense and monotonous. I'd love to witness them live though.
If Meshuggah live is like escaping an avalanche, then Dillinger Escape Plan live is like putting yourself in a washing machine with a brick on spin cycle and no water.
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"Monotonous" is unfortunately the feeling I have about Meshuggah too much of the time. I love the synthesis of so many interesting things at once that Meshuggah effectively pioneered (offkilter rhythms, syncronized instrumentation, super low tunings, clean and atmospheric ambient-ish sections, jazz influenced-guitar leads, all sort of a more evil one-upping of Cynic), but Meshuggah themselves don't hold my interest for that long typically, others took those ideas to more interesting places.
I'm spoiling something in a roulette writeup, but I saw The Dillinger Escape Plan live on Gigantour and I was not prepared for that insanity. Not at all.
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Meshuggah are a band that seeing live, I can imagine being similar to being caught in an avalanche. An intense experience in which you are lucky to escape with your life, but you wouldn't want to do it every day.
I can only listen to them for the period of one album at a time, they are just too intense and monotonous. I'd love to witness them live though.
Haake is an absolute beast! :metal
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Meshuggah are a band that seeing live, I can imagine being similar to being caught in an avalanche. An intense experience in which you are lucky to escape with your life, but you wouldn't want to do it every day.
I can only listen to them for the period of one album at a time, they are just too intense and monotonous. I'd love to witness them live though.
If Meshuggah live is like escaping an avalanche, then Dillinger Escape Plan live is like putting yourself in a washing machine with a brick on spin cycle and no water.
That's great! :rollin
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The thing is that yes it's intense and niche music but they sound and play their music SO well live that they put any other metal band today to shame imo.
Going to a Meshuggah show is a beautiful spiritual and musical punch in the face.
Born In Dissonance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwdLsGatJpY&ab_channel=GabrielWinpenny
Ligature Marks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRoZ8f8lE6w&ab_channel=NewYorkMetalShows
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I haven't watched that much of his stuff in awhile, but he's always been like that, and yet, far more receptive to newer and mainstream music than most people his age and pedigree.
Yep, I'm with you on that..plus, while I do enjoy a fair amount of modern pop music, I can't disagree that Spotify top 10 he's discussing in the video is, for the most part, pretty uninteresting (to put it nicely)...imo, of course :)
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"I" from Meshuggah is really the only thing I return to from them. I even have it on Vinyl.
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There's not much really heavy, intense metal I return to again and again but Meshuggah is it. Love the band. So HUGE and monstrous, and always feels like unlocking a puzzle. And, yes, they are so intense live it's like being assaulted. 😂
As were The Dillinger Escape Plan. Another great band.
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Randomly came across this on YT...so I guess it fits the thread :biggrin:
Cover of Fleetwood Mac's The Chain by The Highwomen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVLNB3d-2cA
Sounds pretty amazing
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I guess the recent performance on the same stage at the R'nR HoF induction must've inspired them...
An unlikely but intriguing duet - Dolly Parton and Rob Halford - on a brand new song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQTM3Dwpk0I
Kinda dig it!
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I guess the recent performance on the same stage at the R'nR HoF induction must've inspired them...
An unlikely but intriguing duet - Dolly Parton and Rob Halford - on a brand new song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQTM3Dwpk0I
Kinda dig it!
I like it as well. It sort of reminds me of Avantasia a bit.
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I have been talking about the touring business...
This interview with Devin Townsend is very informational. Such as why he played acoustic only shows, due to convenience.
https://youtu.be/g1HdOaiI1Do?t=1585
This is why I feel the way I do when others discuss touring in the music industry and how much it has changed.
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I have been talking about the touring business...
This interview with Devin Townsend is very informational. Such as why he played acoustic only shows, due to convenience.
https://youtu.be/g1HdOaiI1Do?t=1585
Thanks for the edited timestamped, but I fund it on my own before you edited it. :lol
I find the business part of it very interesting, so thank you for the post.
I watch a lot of Tank The Tech videos on youtube. He's a bit boring and doesn't always say much, but he does give a solid glimpse behind the scenes.
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I have been talking about the touring business...
This interview with Devin Townsend is very informational. Such as why he played acoustic only shows, due to convenience.
https://youtu.be/g1HdOaiI1Do?t=1585
Thanks for the edited timestamped, but I fund it on my own before you edited it. :lol
I find the business part of it very interesting, so thank you for the post.
I watch a lot of Tank The Tech videos on youtube. He's a bit boring and doesn't always say much, but he does give a solid glimpse behind the scenes.
:lol
The best part is when he says if people don't want to come to the show because it's less productive then they're not a fan in the first place... :corn
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Malmsteen is maybe the greatest guitarist ever
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Malmsteen is maybe the greatest guitarist ever
Incredible for sure but technically I personally would say no one comes close to JP. I had Randy Rhoads as my favorite in the countdown and JP second but technically I have never heard anyone out play JP.
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Malmsteen is maybe the greatest guitarist ever
Incredible for sure but technically I personally would say no one comes close to JP. I had Randy Rhoads as my favorite in the countdown and JP second but technically I have never heard anyone out play JP.
Other than Ritchie Blackmore. :) :) ;)
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Malmsteen is great at what he does, but it's just a bit one-dimensional for me, and I prefer the approaches a few other players have to that style.
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Malmsteen is maybe the greatest guitarist ever
Incredible for sure but technically I personally would say no one comes close to JP. I had Randy Rhoads as my favorite in the countdown and JP second but technically I have never heard anyone out play JP.
JP is a fucking Frankenstein. The guy can pretty much outplay anyone in their own style.
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Malmsteen is maybe the greatest guitarist ever
Incredible for sure but technically I personally would say no one comes close to JP. I had Randy Rhoads as my favorite in the countdown and JP second but technically I have never heard anyone out play JP.
JP is a fucking Frankenstein. The guy can pretty much outplay anyone in their own style.
I don't agree with that at all.
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Malmsteen is maybe the greatest guitarist ever
Incredible for sure but technically I personally would say no one comes close to JP. I had Randy Rhoads as my favorite in the countdown and JP second but technically I have never heard anyone out play JP.
JP is a fucking Frankenstein. The guy can pretty much outplay anyone in their own style.
I don't agree with that at all.
That's OK.
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JP is great, but I don't agree with it either. :p
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I'm in the minority it seems. :lol
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Malmsteen is maybe the greatest guitarist ever
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Incredible for sure but technically I personally would say no one comes close to JP. I had Randy Rhoads as my favorite in the countdown and JP second but technically I have never heard anyone out play JP.
JP is a fucking Frankenstein. The guy can pretty much outplay anyone in their own style.
I don't agree with that at all.
10000000000% agree with TAC! When he plays bluesy, its not a shredder playing bluesy, its fucking blues and this applies to neo classical as well. It's not even close at all.
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Malmsteen is maybe the greatest guitarist ever
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Incredible for sure but technically I personally would say no one comes close to JP. I had Randy Rhoads as my favorite in the countdown and JP second but technically I have never heard anyone out play JP.
JP is a fucking Frankenstein. The guy can pretty much outplay anyone in their own style.
I don't agree with that at all.
10000000000% agree with TAC! When he plays bluesy, its not a shredder playing bluesy, its fucking blues and this applies to neo classical as well. It's not even close at all.
Can you give me an example of a song where JP plays the blues and does zero shredding?
Note: Out of the Blue is not a good example, since he does shred a bit in it.
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I'm in the minority it seems. :lol
Yeah sorry mate, can't quite back you up on this one either.
So you think JP could do Gary Moore better than Gary Moore?
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Malmsteen is maybe the greatest guitarist ever
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Incredible for sure but technically I personally would say no one comes close to JP. I had Randy Rhoads as my favorite in the countdown and JP second but technically I have never heard anyone out play JP.
JP is a fucking Frankenstein. The guy can pretty much outplay anyone in their own style.
I don't agree with that at all.
10000000000% agree with TAC! When he plays bluesy, its not a shredder playing bluesy, its fucking blues and this applies to neo classical as well. It's not even close at all.
I can't recall a time JP played the blues.
Prove me wrong but whenever he goes more into a blusey passage he ends up tremolo picking a fast shred line or a three note per string type of passage.
I'm open to interpretation when it comes to the Blues too however.
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Malmsteen is maybe the greatest guitarist ever
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Incredible for sure but technically I personally would say no one comes close to JP. I had Randy Rhoads as my favorite in the countdown and JP second but technically I have never heard anyone out play JP.
JP is a fucking Frankenstein. The guy can pretty much outplay anyone in their own style.
I don't agree with that at all.
10000000000% agree with TAC! When he plays bluesy, its not a shredder playing bluesy, its fucking blues and this applies to neo classical as well. It's not even close at all.
Can you give me an example of a song where JP plays the blues and does zero shredding?
Note: Out of the Blue is not a good example, since he does shred a bit in it.
When I saw him on ADToE tour I remember a bunch of his improv soloing to have really nice bluesy parts mixed in. He's also a huge fan of Neal Schon. I remember hanging with him right after I&W came out and we were playing Learning To Live and when the solo came up after James' high note he asked me to guess who influenced the solo? When he wrote that solo he was listening to "Late Night" by Neal Schon a lot and that was the influence. Also listen to the solo in Goodnight Kiss.... I'm just saying he can do it all without it sounding forced. JP is in my opinion, the best guitarist on the planet today.
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So then, the answer is "no," you cannot give me an example of a song where JP plays the blues and does zero shredding.
Note: no one is doubting JP's skills or awesomeness, but the idea that he can play any style better than anyone is just crazy talk.
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I'm in the minority it seems. :lol
Yeah sorry mate, can't quite back you up on this one either.
So you think JP could do Gary Moore better than Gary Moore?
Could he? Hmm... If there's one person that could, I would trust it to be JP. I hear Gary Moore in JP's playing a lot, which is weird because I have never heard him reference him. I feel like I hear more Gary Moore than any other guitarist in JP's playing.
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So then, the answer is "no," you cannot give me an example of a song where JP plays the blues and does zero shredding.
Note: no one is doubting JP's skills or awesomeness, but the idea that he can play any style better than anyone is just crazy talk.
Kev, I'm just saying he is not a one dimensional talent. Bottom line.
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Okay, but who said he was a one dimensional talent? It feels like the goal posts are being moved here.
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There's a massive difference between having a dash of influence of a style in your playing, and being better at it than someone else who has spent their whole life training specifically to play that style. There are lots of others, classical, jazz, flamenco, country, bluegrass, fingerstyle, etc., each with their own unique set of techniques and vocabulary. No one can ever completely master each, there just isn't enough time.
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I didn't take Tim literally when he said JP can outplay anyone in their own style, I took that as hyperbole. JP is just superior.
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I conclude that JP has held the throne as King of Strings for quite some time now. There's a lot of great guitarists out there but nobody has de-throned him and probably won't for a long while. 💫💪
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I'm in the minority it seems. :lol
Yeah sorry mate, can't quite back you up on this one either.
So you think JP could do Gary Moore better than Gary Moore?
Could he? Hmm... If there's one person that could, I would trust it to be JP. I hear Gary Moore in JP's playing a lot, which is weird because I have never heard him reference him. I feel like I hear more Gary Moore than any other guitarist in JP's playing.
Interesting, big call.
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So then, the answer is "no," you cannot give me an example of a song where JP plays the blues and does zero shredding.
Note: no one is doubting JP's skills or awesomeness, but the idea that he can play any style better than anyone is just crazy talk.
Kev, I'm just saying he is not a one dimensional talent. Bottom line.
I'll agree more with this statement.
Although, I personally don't think he has a ton of variation in his playing though. These days anyway. He was quite diverse in the early Ibanez days.
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So then, the answer is "no," you cannot give me an example of a song where JP plays the blues and does zero shredding.
Note: no one is doubting JP's skills or awesomeness, but the idea that he can play any style better than anyone is just crazy talk.
Kev, I'm just saying he is not a one dimensional talent. Bottom line.
I'll agree more with this statement.
Although, I personally don't think he has a ton of variation in his playing though. These days anyway. He was quite diverse in the early Ibanez days.
This.
No doubt the man can literally play anything he wants, but I feel like JP’s bag ‘o tricks rarely gets dumped anymore.
I personally consider his solo on “Anna Lee” to be one of his best, but I sincerely doubt he would be able to hold back like that today—he’d get past the slide part and there’d be a burst of notes, which seems to be a go to move that he can’t help himself with.
That said, my thoughts are less a reflection on JP and more an indication of where my personal tastes have shifted to.
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No doubt the man can literally play anything he wants, but I feel like JP’s bag ‘o tricks rarely gets dumped anymore.
I personally consider his solo on “Anna Lee” to be one of his best, but I sincerely doubt he would be able to hold back like that today—he’d get past the slide part and there’d be a burst of notes, which seems to be a go to move that he can’t help himself with.
That said, my thoughts are less a reflection on JP and more an indication of where my personal tastes have shifted to.
To be fair, the "I can't help myself but shred" mentality has seemingly be ingrained in JP's head from the start. Take songs like Another Day and The Spirit Carries On, which are two of his most melodic solos ever, but in both he felt the need to shred it up a little, almost, like you said, he couldn't help himself. Same goes for that live Hollow Years solo that everyone genuflects to; it is a very good solo, but the shredding he throws in there is a bit of a wet blanket, and it takes away from it a little, IMO.
Also, I do not subscribe to the idea that player a being able to play anything by player b, but not vice versa, makes player a automatically better. A guy like David Gilmour has never been about a lot of notes or anything like that, but no one, I repeat NO ONE, can play his guitar solos as good as he can. JP is one of my favorite guitarists ever (I think I ranked him 4th when we did that countdown for guitarists), but his lack of restraint at times is one of his very few cons.
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A couple of years ago, JP won some Guitarist of the Year award at the SEGA awards. At the show finale, he and his wife and the house band played "Jessica" by the Allman Brothers Band, which is pretty different than most things he has played publicly before. Here is the performance. Not saying he played it better than the Allman Brothers, but I was excited that he did it at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Qh9bJWVQI
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Not quite a random thought, but I somewhat randomly came across this new song Iotunn released:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aG4SSPAVNo
(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a2261154976_10.jpg)
Pretty epic stuff. It has a bit of recent Borknagar vibe. The melodic guitar leads past the halfway point are real nice.
Hopefully this means there's a new album in the works.
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Not quite a random thought, but I somewhat randomly came across this new song Iotunn released:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aG4SSPAVNo
(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a2261154976_10.jpg)
Pretty epic stuff. It has a bit of recent Borknagar vibe. The melodic guitar leads past the halfway point are real nice.
Hopefully this means there's a new album in the works.
I listened to this yesterday and it's awesome. I loved their last album. Great band.
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6 MILLION??
https://bravewords.com/news/molly-hatchet-flirtin-with-disaster-album-artwork-sells-for-6-million-us-at-heritage-auction
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Someone spending that much on a painting is just taking the absolute piss.
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Don’t know much about Ed Sheeran but he’s in town this weekend and this is pretty cool.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/ed-sheeran-surprises-young-boston-musicians-at-their-concert-gifts-tickets-to-his-gillette-show/ar-AA1djrmW?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=6d9e4eebff644cc29a5ac70a325fa6af&ei=20
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Carpenter Brut live at Hellfest 2023 - I believe I remember there a couple of fans here on DTF ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6U8Nki1G8Q
Didn't realize they had a drummer and guitar player live. Also cool that there's a bunch of songs with the actual guest vocalists (Gunship, Greg Puciato, Johannes Andersson from Tribulation...). Would have loved to see Sylvaine on Stabat Mater, but no luck. And gotta love Maniac as the closer!