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https://youtu.be/Slf7dPDyvYQ
The first 3 episodes have been delayed and now release September 21 on Disney+
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I'm digging the trailers and what we're being shown this show is about. It's a neat direction to take.
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I had no idea this was a 24 episode series. The creator says the Season 2 finale will walk right into Rogue One so I guess we know this is it.
https://www.thewrap.com/andor-season-1-preview-tony-gilroy-diego-luna/
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Hot take: While it was objectively a good movie, my problem with Rogue One is that it lacked the charisma that's so prevalent in the Star Wars universe. With the exception of K-2SO and Ip Man, I found every character to be stale and boring. I love Star Wars, so I'll give this a shot.
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I expect it to be better than Boba Fett or Kenobi.
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I saw they're doing a re-release of Rogue One in IMAX at the end of this month to celebrate. May go see it as it's definitely a favorite of mine.
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I saw they're doing a re-release of Rogue One in IMAX at the end of this month to celebrate. May go see it as it's definitely a favorite of mine.
Rogue One is tied with Empire as my favorite Star Wars film. I went this weekend, and loved the extended look at Andor. If you loved Rogue One, the Andor series, at least from the extended look, will be right up your alley.
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I saw they're doing a re-release of Rogue One in IMAX at the end of this month to celebrate. May go see it as it's definitely a favorite of mine.
From what I've read they're including some Andor scenes in the re-release as well to tie things together even more.
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I saw they're doing a re-release of Rogue One in IMAX at the end of this month to celebrate. May go see it as it's definitely a favorite of mine.
Rogue One is tied with Empire as my favorite Star Wars film. I went this weekend, and loved the extended look at Andor. If you loved Rogue One, the Andor series, at least from the extended look, will be right up your alley.
Have no doubt about that, definitely looking forward to it.
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Hot take: While it was objectively a good movie, my problem with Rogue One is that it lacked the charisma that's so prevalent in the Star Wars universe. With the exception of K-2SO and Ip Man, I found every character to be stale and boring. I love Star Wars, so I'll give this a shot.
Yeah, that's my opinion on Rogue One. First half is a real chore to get though.
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I actually really appreciate that the lead characters of Rogue One were not the typical charismatic leads. And this makes sense to me given their backgrounds.
Rogue One, to me, gave the Star Wars films a much needed film that actually displayed the "war" bit. I think Rogue One is the second best Star Wars film (behind Empire). Don't get me wrong, I don't want Star Wars to turn into this more bleak war torn universe, but I do think it is a great addition to the universe.
I wasn't excited for a prequel to a prequel, but the trailer I just watched looks great.
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Anyone else watch the extended first look on D+?
This show looks awesome. I really hope it lives up to it's potential. We need a great Star Wars show after Boba Fett and Obi Wan were both disappointing.
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Anyone else watch the extended first look on D+?
Nope.....wasn't aware there was one....now that I know I'll check it out :tup
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I rarely have time to watch movies these days, so watching a movie I've already seen is even more unlikely. But any time I think I might have time to watch a film, I always think about watching Rogue One again. I remember enjoying the experience, but that's about it. I haven't seen a lick of material from this new Andor series, but it might be the impetus for me to both watch Rogue One again, and get in to a new TV series, which I haven't done since The Mandolorian.
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I loved Rogue One. As someone who grew up on Star Wars in real time with the original trilogy, felt largely let down by the prequels, and liked most of the sequels, I feel that Rogue One surpassed them all and is easily my favorite Star Wars film.
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Rogue One is right behind Empire Strikes Back for me. I'm planning to watch it again before Andor.
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I definitely think that Rogue One is the best SW film that is not Episode 4, 5, or 6. Not even close.
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Just finished episode three! That was rousing and action packed, definitely a good decision to premiere all three episodes together. They really work well as a set and a good start to the series, giving Andor his inciting incident and getting all the gears in motion.
I was hyped for this before, especially with how well the trailers were cut, but now I'm VERY excited for this! And we get 21 more episodes as well!! Here's hoping the quality keeps up as we go along!
-Marc.
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Can't wait to watch it. The wife and I are going out this evening, so we will need to unfortunately wait until Friday night, but we're psyched. :metal
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Outstanding stuff so far. This is what we've been waiting for.
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Forgot this started. Hope to get caught up the next couple nights!
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First two episodes took a while to get going, 3rd episode made it worth it. Love the aesthetics of the show. Tone is a lot more serious than more Star Wars shows/movies.
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That was awesome. My only complaint is that the score was pretty unremarkable and not very Star Warsy.
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I'm not reading the thread, just jumping in to say - I CAN'T WAIT until I can watch this on Friday with the fam. I'm a huge Rogue One nutcase fan, and the early reviews have said this is amazing. My wife and I went to dinner last night, so we couldn't watch it, and I'm not home tonight, so we've got dinner plans so that all of us are together to watch it. CANNOT WAIT! :metal
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Watched the first three episodes on Friday evening. Really enjoyed them. A buddy said it felt a bit like a Bourne movie, and I agree, at least the vibe of the first three, which set up the story.
I also really liked the gritty feel to the picture. It felt honest and real, which I expected. There wasn't much "Star Wars" so far, but you needed this intro to get into the story. I think it was very well done. Looking forward to the next episodes when they are available.
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A buddy said it felt a bit like a Bourne movie, and I agree, at least the vibe of the first three, which set up the story.
Considering that the writer for the first three episodes was Tony Gilroy, that makes perfect sense. He wrote the original Bourne trilogy of films, and directed the fourth one. He also co-wrote Rogue One.
-Marc.
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Funny enough, I knew he co-wrote Rogue One...but as a casual fan of the Bourne stuff, I had no idea he wrote that. So it works.
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Finally watched all these.....great show! Very interesting and it has such a cool feel and atmosphere.
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Is this worth signing back up to Disney+ for? Even with its flaws, Rogue One is the only one of the recent movies that has any replay value for me.
I like the sound of the more serious tone. Hopefully no blue titty milk in sight.. :lol
Will be interesting to see if the Saw Gerrera character is developed any further. I always thought that storyline was a bit choppy in R1.
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Four episodes in and it’s a pretty good show. If you like R1 I’m sure you’ll dig this.
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Is this worth signing back up to Disney+ for? Even with its flaws, Rogue One is the only one of the recent movies that has any replay value for me.
I like the sound of the more serious tone. Hopefully no blue titty milk in sight.. :lol
Will be interesting to see if the Saw Gerrera character is developed any further. I always thought that storyline was a bit choppy in R1.
SPOILERS:
Saw Guerera was mentioned on ep4
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Is this worth signing back up to Disney+ for? Even with its flaws, Rogue One is the only one of the recent movies that has any replay value for me.
I like the sound of the more serious tone. Hopefully no blue titty milk in sight.. :lol
Will be interesting to see if the Saw Gerrera character is developed any further. I always thought that storyline was a bit choppy in R1.
SPOILERS:
Saw Guerera was mentioned on ep4
Yep, and promotional material and trailers have shown Saw Gerrera in the series speaking with Luthen, so he'll show up eventually.
As of episode 4, we do get some hints and Easter egg tie-ins to the greater SW history, particularly moments surrounding Rogue One, so I think these references and possible cameos will keep coming, especially with two 12-episode seasons ordered!
-Marc.
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I love the atmosphere of this show. I wish I could just binge watch the whole thing. I was bummed when the episode ended.
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I love the atmosphere of this show. I wish I could just binge watch the whole thing. I was bummed when the episode ended.
Goddamn do I feel ya on that one. I'll say it again...this show, for me at least, is finally showing what playing in the Star Wars universe is capable of. Without any gimmicks or token fan service, it's just crushing what for me is the real SW vibe. Just loving every second of it so far.
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Four episodes in, and I'm hooked. I wondered out loud to Mrs. Orbert how many episodes there will be. She figured like six or eight, which is what most of these types of shows get. We're getting 24?! I had no idea. I figured the mission to rob the Imperial payroll was going to be the big deal, since I was assuming we're halfway through already, but not now. It'll just be the first of hopefully several missions. With even 12 episodes per season, we have time for some ups and downs, some buildup and payoff. Very cool.
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I love the atmosphere of this show. I wish I could just binge watch the whole thing. I was bummed when the episode ended.
Goddamn do I feel ya on that one. I'll say it again...this show, for me at least, is finally showing what playing in the Star Wars universe is capable of. Without any gimmicks or token fan service, it's just crushing what for me is the real SW vibe. Just loving every second of it so far.
Yep. What I wouldn't do for a series/show with this feel.....gritty, atmospheric....but had some force wielders in it. Because, while I am digging the crap out of 'Andor' and loved 'R1'.....Jedi, Sith....light Saber battles.....I love the crap out of that as well. I think if they can break away from the 'legacy' cannon and just craft a new era or storyline it'd do them a world of good to be able to then create some great 'force centric' content.
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I love the atmosphere of this show. I wish I could just binge watch the whole thing. I was bummed when the episode ended.
Goddamn do I feel ya on that one. I'll say it again...this show, for me at least, is finally showing what playing in the Star Wars universe is capable of. Without any gimmicks or token fan service, it's just crushing what for me is the real SW vibe. Just loving every second of it so far.
Yep. What I wouldn't do for a series/show with this feel.....gritty, atmospheric....but had some force wielders in it. Because, while I am digging the crap out of 'Andor' and loved 'R1'.....Jedi, Sith....light Saber battles.....I love the crap out of that as well. I think if they can break away from the 'legacy' cannon and just craft a new era or storyline it'd do them a world of good to be able to then create some great 'force centric' content.
We still got plenty of episodes to squeeze one in.
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I hope they stay away from Jedi and Sith in this show. But this feeling in a show about those people would be great.
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I hope they stay away from Jedi and Sith in this show. But this feeling in a show about those people would be great.
Agreed. I'd be perfectly fine if they'd just stick to what they've been doing in this show. This one isn't about anything 'force' related.....and it's cool like that.
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This show has really been outstanding so far. If you like political drama and sci-fi, there's no reason not to love what we've gotten so far. I'm a little bit surprised we haven't gotten as much typical Star Wars stuff (the Tie Fighters flying overhead was the only real thing) yet, but I am sure that's going to change. Really enjoying this.
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I caught all 4 episodes at the weekend. It’s definitely a slow burner, but I’m enjoying it. Probably my favourite scene was the Mon Mothma one. Great acting in that scene. I think we’re going to see a lot of the inner workings of the Rebellion - subterfuge, political lobbying etc.
I’m reminded of the French Resistance in WWII, which I’m sure was intentional.
Looking forward to see where they go with this one.
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I enjoyed today's episode, but I kinda felt like everything that happened could have been shown in about 10 minutes.
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Today's episode was very much about character development and getting to know everyone. I also enjoyed the peeks into Mon Mothma's life, and it'll be interesting to see where Karn goes next.
I like that the series seems to be going for 3-episode arcs, makes it feel like a movie for each arc. If that's the case, then with 6 more episodes, we could see two more solid arcs as our main characters start to move the story of the Rebellion forward.
-Marc.
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There was a certain logic to taking us right up to "the night before" and leaving us there. As M said, this was a getting-to-know-everyone episode, which we really didn't get before. We met Vel, then her team of people with names I'd pretty much forgotten. Now they all have names and distinct personalities, and everything that happens beyond this point will mean more because we know the people.
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Yup, definitely a transitional/setup episode...totally ready to have the shit hit the fan next week.
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There was a certain logic to taking us right up to "the night before" and leaving us there. As M said, this was a getting-to-know-everyone episode, which we really didn't get before. We met Vel, then her team of people with names I'd pretty much forgotten. Now they all have names and distinct personalities, and everything that happens beyond this point will mean more because we know the people.
Yep. And while lordxiizor's point of everything that happened could have been accomplished in 10 minutes could be true....I'm glad it wasn't. Those nuances and the character development that happened is only going to strengthen Orbert's point of everything that happens moving forward will mean more because we know the characters better now.
Solid episode.
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There was a certain logic to taking us right up to "the night before" and leaving us there. As M said, this was a getting-to-know-everyone episode, which we really didn't get before. We met Vel, then her team of people with names I'd pretty much forgotten. Now they all have names and distinct personalities, and everything that happens beyond this point will mean more because we know the people.
Yep. And while lordxiizor's point of everything that happened could have been accomplished in 10 minutes could be true....I'm glad it wasn't. Those nuances and the character development that happened is only going to strengthen Orbert's point of everything that happens moving forward will mean more because we know the characters better now.
Solid episode.
I definitely agree that it is much better the way it was done. This is where a tv series is better than a movie in some ways. All of that character development would have ended on the editing room floor if this were a movie. My original feelings when I completed the episode was that nothing really happened hence my comment, but reflecting on it more, I like the way this is building.
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There was a certain logic to taking us right up to "the night before" and leaving us there. As M said, this was a getting-to-know-everyone episode, which we really didn't get before. We met Vel, then her team of people with names I'd pretty much forgotten. Now they all have names and distinct personalities, and everything that happens beyond this point will mean more because we know the people.
Yep. And while lordxiizor's point of everything that happened could have been accomplished in 10 minutes could be true....I'm glad it wasn't. Those nuances and the character development that happened is only going to strengthen Orbert's point of everything that happens moving forward will mean more because we know the characters better now.
Solid episode.
I definitely agree that it is much better the way it was done. This is where a tv series is better than a movie in some ways. All of that character development would have ended on the editing room floor if this were a movie. My original feelings when I completed the episode was that nothing really happened hence my comment, but reflecting on it more, I like the way this is building.
That's what I like about the series format like this....especially when it's done well. I like the fact that with this storyline....without the 'force' or 'jedi' backdrop, they're working to really tell a story and they're not bound by or tempted to throw some obligatory 'Star Wars' fans service / throwback etc etc into the story to keep you engaged. This story is telling itself with just the 'hint' of 'Star Wars' to flavor it.
Where the Boba Fett series fell short was taking a step back and just start telling a good story. It's like they got all excited and just tried to plop out as much as they could as quick as they could. There were some neat moments but for the most part that first season was junk because it had no character development at all. Just action and fan service.
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Really loving this show so far. The world building and character development have been fantastic. The last episode was 100% character driven and was really well done. Let's hope it continues.
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Episode was worth the buildup and a kickass one as well. So well done. This is a show I really want to rewatch right away now.
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Whew that was tense and exhilarating! Of course, knowing this is a prequel to Rogue One, we know Cassian isn't in any danger of dying (maybe injury), so the stakes aren't as high for him personally, but seeing how those around him fare is part of the journey.
I'm enjoying this three-episode act structure and I hope it continues for the next six episodes of this season. It'll be like getting 4 films worth of Andor! It'd be neat if Disney could recut the series that way, it would make rewatching it all the more exciting.
-Marc.
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BTW I missed or misunderstood what the "Eye" event actually was. What were those things?
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BTW I missed or misunderstood what the "Eye" event actually was. What were those things?
It is a “recurrent band of crystallized noctilucent micro densities.”
https://collider.com/what-is-the-eye-on-aldhani-in-andor/
-Marc.
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Cool thanks!
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Absolutely fantastic episode.
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I really like this show guys. What a great episode.
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Absolutely fantastic episode.
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I really like this show guys. What a great episode.
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I'm only through ep4, but think its a decent show. I was trying to place this in the timeline - is this prior or during the same time setting as Obi-Wan?
SPOILER FOR OBI-WAN COMING
The mention of Saw made me think he must still be alive, which means Luke/Leah are real young? Like under 10? So, if this show runs up to Rogue One, which is right before ANH, then the show covers like another 10-15 years of time? I think Luke/Leah were probably early 20s for ANH? No idea if I'm making sense to anyone lol I'm just rambling at this point
Also, I'm not a fan of the copper actor who was all gungho to catch Andor. Is his face supposed to be read as angry? Yet sometimes he acts like a coward. I'm confused by him.
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The Obi-Wan show takes place 9 BBY
So far, Andor has taken place in 5 BBY, so four years later. Luke and Leia would be 14 at this time.
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Watched the latest episode last night with the fam. OUTSTANDING. :clap:
Rogue One was already my favorite SW film outside of Empire, and Andor has made me fall in love with it even more. What a phenomenal show. Absolutely phenomenal. Just wish they'd release these things on 4k Bluray. I want to physically own this stuff.
p.s. I shouldn't have been shocked by the scene outside the doctor (keeping it somewhat vague), but I admit...I was surprised Cassian did what he did. Again, I shouldn't have been, given what we know of the "future" Cassian Andor in Rogue One. But I was. Just overall great drama. The heist also reminded me a bit of a mix from Solo (the train scene) and various Falcon getaways from A New Hope. Great stuff.
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The Obi-Wan show takes place 9 BBY
So far, Andor has taken place in 5 BBY, so four years later. Luke and Leia would be 14 at this time.
Sooooo Saw should be dead. Because she was like 10 in Obi-wan.
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The Obi-Wan show takes place 9 BBY
So far, Andor has taken place in 5 BBY, so four years later. Luke and Leia would be 14 at this time.
Sooooo Saw should be dead. Because she was like 10 in Obi-wan.
I'm not sure who you're thinking of, but Saw is a middle aged man who we see die in Rogue One.
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I love how the stakes seem so big for the rebels, but in reality they're attacking a small out of the way Imperial base with only like 40 troops at it. I expect the targets to grow over the run of the show. Likely one more this season and a couple in the planned season 2.
The tension that this show is building is fantastic. There's just this constant feeling of anxiety and that the whole thing could collapse at a moment's notice. So well done.
The Eye was beautiful as well. The cinematography has been great so far. I hope Favreau and Filoni take note of how real location shooting can make a show way better. The Volume is awesome tech, but it can't replace the expansive shots in this series.
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The Obi-Wan show takes place 9 BBY
So far, Andor has taken place in 5 BBY, so four years later. Luke and Leia would be 14 at this time.
Sooooo Saw should be dead. Because she was like 10 in Obi-wan.
I'm not sure who you're thinking of, but Saw is a middle aged man who we see die in Rogue One.
fuuuuuuuuuck lol we just watched rogue one a few weeks ago and I bet I'm merging the two lol goddammit brain!
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The Eye was beautiful as well. The cinematography has been great so far. I hope Favreau and Filoni take note of how real location shooting can make a show way better. The Volume is awesome tech, but it can't replace the expansive shots in this series.
I think The Volume has taken filmmaking to another level entirely. But for THIS particular series, and the grit and realness it is based on, it makes so much more sense to shoot on-location. I didn't realize they were doing that, and I am glad they did. Do you know how much was shot on-location?
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Another good episode today. A good start to the next 3 episode mini-arc. It seems this show isn't generating much buzz. Such a shame since it is a fantastic show.
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Anyone else watch episode 7 today?
This was a bit of a cool down episode compared to the last one, but I like that we get to check in on everyone besides Cassian, and we see some new places. If the whole 3-episode arc format continues, I wonder what this episode is setting up as there are plenty of pieces moving on the galactic board, so to speak.
-Marc.
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Watched the latest episode last night. Coruscant looks fantastic, I really like the look they have went for.
The Mon Mothma scenes were my favourite - so well acted, and you get a real sense of the double lives of those organising the Rebellion. I’m looking forward to see how that storyline plays out. I’m sure we’ll see some sort of confrontation with the husband, who doesn’t seem to share the same political ideals.
I don’t really know what the general consensus on the show is, but I’m enjoying the slow burn and character focus in each episodes. I’m sure it will pick up pace in due course.
Also - it’s the first time we’ve seen stormtroopers, in this episode.
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Was the lady in red supposed to be Leia? The actress looked a lot like Carrie Fisher or they're really nailing the deep fakes these days.
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Was the lady in red supposed to be Leia? The actress looked a lot like Carrie Fisher or they're really nailing the deep fakes these days.
I don't think so. I'm not seeing any speculation about that online.
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I was getting a real Blade Runner vibe, instead of Star Wars, with the set designs and music. Not a bad thing though.
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Finally got to catch the episode. This show is great!
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I was getting a real Blade Runner vibe, instead of Star Wars, with the set designs and music. Not a bad thing though.
Yes!
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I like how it's all lived-in and dirty looking. Blade Runner hadn't occurred to me, but I can see it. And then the contrast between that and the shiny upper-class life on Coruscant. Mon Mothma's ride is awesome! I think I said that before. Her conversation with her old friend was great. Both of them secretly not as loyal to the Empire as they seem on the surface, but each unaware of the other's position. Some nice dialog there.
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I finally caught yesterday's episodes this morning before work. Definitely some intriguing stuff going on, and I have to wonder what it is they're building there exactly (though I have a pretty obvious guess). It was great to see (spoiler) when Luthen saw them! I love that it feels like all of the disparate story lines are slowly coming together and different plot threads are starting to weave together!
-Marc.
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Haven't caught the latest ANDOR ep. yet but will probably tonight.
Plus, I see that 'Tales of the Jedi' has been released. Will probably binge that in the next day or two also.
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Not a lot of action, mostly setting stuff up, pretty much like the "middle" episode of the first two three-episode arcs.
I've been impressed with the storytelling overall, but have to admit that I was disappointed in one thing last night. After all the painful goodbyes between Vel and Cintra, with Cintra being left on Aldhani, we suddenly find Cintra on Ferrix meeting with Vel. I'd assumed that there was a reason Cintra was left on Aldhani; they wished her luck and hoped everything would be okay, blah blah blah. And yeah, we can futher assume that things did go well because now she's on Ferrix helping in the search for Andor. But it would've been nice if they'd either explained what happened in the meantime, or just not made such a big deal about her being left behind. Also, slightly annoying that those two are obviously more than just friends, but they (Disney) are trying to be discreet about it, but it's just so obvious. I guess it's okay that they have the relationship, but Disney has to keep things on the down-low. Bleah.
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Something I just thought of. Both Andor and Karn are "in prison". Andor was involved in the Aldhani heist obviously, but was apprehended and convicted on bullshit charges while just going out for something to drink. Karn was just doing his job (his boss told him not to, but it's arguable whether he was wrong to pursue the guy who murdered two guards) and is now in the Imperial equivalent of a cubicle farm with no apparent way to "escape".
I liked how Dedra went to see Karn, tying those two stories together a bit, and how we've now seen Andor's face on screen at official ISB security meetings. I also think it's hilarious who they're searching for this guy, but he's actually already in prison under a false name (that he himself gave, but still).
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Not a lot of action, mostly setting stuff up, pretty much like the "middle" episode of the first two three-episode arcs.
I've been impressed with the storytelling overall, but have to admit that I was disappointed in one thing last night. After all the painful goodbyes between Vel and Cintra, with Cintra being left on Aldhani, we suddenly find Cintra on Ferrix meeting with Vel. I'd assumed that there was a reason Cintra was left on Aldhani; they wished her luck and hoped everything would be okay, blah blah blah. And yeah, we can futher assume that things did go well because now she's on Ferrix helping in the search for Andor. But it would've been nice if they'd either explained what happened in the meantime, or just not made such a big deal about her being left behind. Also, slightly annoying that those two are obviously more than just friends, but they (Disney) are trying to be discreet about it, but it's just so obvious. I guess it's okay that they have the relationship, but Disney has to keep things on the down-low. Bleah.
Really loving this show but I totally agree with the bold part. When those 2 were seen together my immediate thought was - have I missed an episode? That was really strange as it felt like a whole section of plot was left out.
Overall this show feels so much more like a slow burn spy thriller than a Star Wars show.
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Not a lot of action, mostly setting stuff up, pretty much like the "middle" episode of the first two three-episode arcs.
I've been impressed with the storytelling overall, but have to admit that I was disappointed in one thing last night. After all the painful goodbyes between Vel and Cintra, with Cintra being left on Aldhani, we suddenly find Cintra on Ferrix meeting with Vel. I'd assumed that there was a reason Cintra was left on Aldhani; they wished her luck and hoped everything would be okay, blah blah blah. And yeah, we can futher assume that things did go well because now she's on Ferrix helping in the search for Andor. But it would've been nice if they'd either explained what happened in the meantime, or just not made such a big deal about her being left behind. Also, slightly annoying that those two are obviously more than just friends, but they (Disney) are trying to be discreet about it, but it's just so obvious. I guess it's okay that they have the relationship, but Disney has to keep things on the down-low. Bleah.
Yeah, I wasn't sure how to feel about the whole Vel/Cinta stuff. Cinta just kind of...appeared, and whether or not their relationship is more-than-platonic is beyond me, it didn't really give me any vibes that their love was romantic. They could just be really close, but who knows. I think if they wanted to make them have a full-on romantic relationship, they wouldn't shy away from it, but given their closeness on the Aldhani mission, I think they are, at the very least, very very close friends.
Something I just thought of. Both Andor and Karn are "in prison". Andor was involved in the Aldhani heist obviously, but was apprehended and convicted on bullshit charges while just going out for something to drink. Karn was just doing his job (his boss told him not to, but it's arguable whether he was wrong to pursue the guy who murdered two guards) and is now in the Imperial equivalent of a cubicle farm with no apparent way to "escape".
I liked how Dedra went to see Karn, tying those two stories together a bit, and how we've now seen Andor's face on screen at official ISB security meetings. I also think it's hilarious who they're searching for this guy, but he's actually already in prison under a false name (that he himself gave, but still).
Yeah, the parallels between Andor and Karn are fascinating, both prisoners of the Empire but for different reasons. It'll be interesting to see what Karn does next because I really have no idea! Makes me wonder if he makes it out of this first season alive.
-Marc.
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They're playing the Vel/Cinta relationship very discretely, as I said, but they've made sure to drop lots of hints. When "Clem" first got to Vel's camp, Skeen (I think) told him "don't bother, she's already sharing a blanket" or something like that. They've made a point of always showing how much closer those two are to each other than anyone else. When "Clem" had to come clean about being a merc, hired by Luthen, only Vel knew. The others looked at Cinta, and Cinta said she didn't know. It was clear that the others thought that Vel would've told Cinta, if anyone, because Vel shares things with Cinta. The heartfelt goodbye; they were practically in tears. The hand-holding. And this episode she actually said "You love me because I'm a mirror; I show you what you need to see" or something like that. It's very low-key, but it can't be a coincidence that they've included so many hints. Maybe they're just really, really close. But I get the vibe that they're more than that. I have no problem with it, but it seems clear that they want to have their cake and eat it, too. Have a lesbian relationship, but by never being explicit about it, they (Disney) can always deny it.
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I think it is obvious that Cinta and Vel are more than just friends and it didn't really bother me at all how it has been handled. I don't think we need to see anything physical between them.
As for Karn, I think there is a lot more of him to come. I think he is being set up for something big. We wouldn't spend all this time and backstory (ie time with his mother etc) with him to not get some huge payoff. I feel he is going to turn into a major 'bad guy' and the show is playing the long game. I really enjoy this type of story telling, as when you get the actual payoff it is earned and I think that is what is going to happen here.
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Tales of the Jedi was pretty cool. Nothing groundbreaking but some good background info that wasn’t necessary but definitely bolsters the backstory of Dooku and Ahsoka.
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I'm really impressed with this show. I like how grounded it is, and the tension they build through acting and dialog. When the action does come, it's a logical outcome of the characters and their motivations. Love it.
No other SW show has even gotten close to portraying the suffocating menace of the Empire and it's bureaucracy like Andor does. It's like a character unto itself! No Sith users required...yet if one shows up, it could be done very tastefully with great effect. I particularly enjoy the machinations of the ISA personnel. Stepping all over each other to climb the command ladder, while the big boss cheers on the victor, is a relatable evil instead of the cartoon evil we usually get in Star Wars. Not that one is better than the other, but I'm enjoying this portrayal more than the other.
Can't wait for next week. :lol
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Agree with all of that... It's such a fresh take on the universe
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Love this show. Another great episode this week.
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No other SW show has even gotten close to portraying the suffocating menace of the Empire and it's bureaucracy like Andor does. It's like a character unto itself! No Sith users required...yet if one shows up, it could be done very tastefully with great effect. I particularly enjoy the machinations of the ISA personnel. Stepping all over each other to climb the command ladder, while the big boss cheers on the victor, is a relatable evil instead of the cartoon evil we usually get in Star Wars. Not that one is better than the other, but I'm enjoying this portrayal more than the other.
Totally!
I'm currently working my way through Rebels and also recently watched the first season of the Bad Batch. All really good stuff and I'm enjoying the different takes on this period between the PT and OT, in terms of the empire strengthening its grip and the growth of the rebellion.
But in those animated shows, great as they are, there's still a focus on battles between empire and rebels. And within the empire, the danger is mainly concentrated in a handful of particularly nasty villains, while the rest are generally mostly pretty incompetent generic soldiers. Andor is different in really exploring that oppression at a community level, and how normal people are forced and coerced into helping the empire.
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Another thing that I wanted to point out from the last episode that I thought was well done.
The technician working for Supervisor Meero during her interrogation was creepy as hell. Not because he was a lurching sadist with a film of sweat on his brow (that would be a cliche'), but because he was a clean cut, cheerful, tech-nerd who was geeking out on the theory and application of his equipment. It was so impersonal, that it was scary, but I'm sure that's what Meero was going for. :tup
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I'm seeing reports that this show is underperforming Disney's expectations. Such a shame as this is right up there with The Mandalorian in terms of quality. It's a completely different animal though. Such a great show. People are missing out. I hope season 2 doesn't get axed if viewership is that bad.
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This show is fantastic. It really is just a great slow burn spy thriller and very different to other star wars properties. I can understand that it may be underperforming as it really isn't geared towards a younger audience like the usual Star Wars properties. I watch this show with my 15 year old daughter who also enjoys it as much as me but by 13 year old gave up half way through episode one.
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I gotta say, the scene with Bix and the headphones was probably the most tense, horrific scene in the history of Star Wars, and it made me feel SO uncomfortable that I loved it. Despite this episode being lax on action, it was dialed to 11 on tension, fear, uncertainty, and just over-all emotional push-and-pull across the spectrum. Props to everyone who has been acting their butts off in the show so far - I feel really drawn in to these characters, their plights, and I need to know how things are going to work out, especially since we know where Andor ends up in Rogue One! I cannot wait for season two to drop and then marathon all 24 episodes, followed by Rogue One! It'll be a thrilling 22.22 hour ride that I cannot wait to board!
-Marc.
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it really isn't geared towards a younger audience like the usual Star Wars properties.
This is a very good point and part of why I love this show so much. But I can see the under 15 audience not digging this too much.
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I'm seeing reports that this show is underperforming Disney's expectations. Such a shame as this is right up there with The Mandalorian in terms of quality. It's a completely different animal though. Such a great show. People are missing out. I hope season 2 doesn't get axed if viewership is that bad.
Even here this topic is only on page 2 after 9 episodes (I just caught up last week after getting a late start, and then tonight just saw the latest so I'm just now popping in). Feels like both the Mandalorian and Boba Fett threads were hopping every week. This is definitely not the usually space western Star Wars thing, but it is very compelling. I've really enjoyed it.
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I was expecting this episode to be the third episode in a three-episode arc, which would be consistent with what we've seen so far, but instead they totally broke the pattern, and when I realized what was happening and that this would not be the "shit hits the fan" episode, I cheered out loud. They're fucking with my expectations, not just to do it, but because we the audience should not get complacent about any of this. Bravo! No prison break, although we seem to possibly be getting closer to one. Ulaf went down, but that was expected; the only question was what ramifications it would have on Andor and the main story. Vel is Mon's cousin. Did we know that before? A bit more Melshi, just because, heh heh. Lots of good stuff, but a "building" episode more than a payoff episode. This is how you subvert expectations in a creative way and fuck with your audience in a good way, not fuck them over just because you can and think it would be cool.
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Also, Mon Mothma is a babe, and she has a sweet ride.
(https://imgur.com/YgmKdWd.jpg)
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I was up early so I watched today's episode. So good. I have never been more annoyed to have to wait a week for the next episode as I am with this show.
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I was up early so I watched today's episode. So good. I have never been more annoyed to have to wait a week for the next episode as I am with this show.
I'm three behind now. Been watching this one with my oldest son and we haven't had a chance to sit and watch. Love the show though....will need to sit down and catch up with this
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Just finished episode ten as well. Just fantastic performances all around, especially Andy Serkis and Stellan Skarsgard. Hard to believe there's only two more episodes for this season. I hope we get a release date for season two soon! Not sure I can wait too long for the second half of this series!
-Marc.
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Just finished episode ten as well. Just fantastic performances all around, especially Andy Serkis and Stellan Skarsgard. Hard to believe there's only two more episodes for this season. I hope we get a release date for season two soon! Not sure I can wait too long for the second half of this series!
-Marc.
Yes, fantastic performances by both Serkis and Skarsgard. I'm curious if we'll see Serkis' character again, or if we leave him on that ledge. I'm still nervous about season 2 happening at all given the general economic downturn and underperformance of the show.
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I'm still nervous about season 2 happening at all given the general economic downturn and underperformance of the show.
I've read conflicting articles about this. While it's not garnering the viewership that say the Mandalorian is/was getting....what I've read is that Disney was aware that this wasn't going to be a massive cultural hit. And, judging the true viewership numbers has been all over the place. I think they'll stick it out....they have plenty of Cash and they need content on that service to compete with the other streaming entities.
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I'm still nervous about season 2 happening at all given the general economic downturn and underperformance of the show.
I've read conflicting articles about this. While it's not garnering the viewership that say the Mandalorian is/was getting....what I've read is that Disney was aware that this wasn't going to be a massive cultural hit. And, judging the true viewership numbers has been all over the place. I think they'll stick it out....they have plenty of Cash and they need content on that service to compete with the other streaming entities.
Yeah, plus they have a clear plan for what season 2 will cover, and it's part of a bigger franchise with multiple shows and movies. It would have to be doing really terribly to be cancelled, and I can't imagine it's that bad considering how damn good it is.
Episode 10 was superb. The prison break was amazing in the way it built up and paid off, and I loved the scene between Luthen and Lonni too.
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Incredible episode. This show is so damn strong, and Andy Serkis is such a tremendous asset to the show.
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I'm still nervous about season 2 happening at all given the general economic downturn and underperformance of the show.
I've read conflicting articles about this. While it's not garnering the viewership that say the Mandalorian is/was getting....what I've read is that Disney was aware that this wasn't going to be a massive cultural hit. And, judging the true viewership numbers has been all over the place. I think they'll stick it out....they have plenty of Cash and they need content on that service to compete with the other streaming entities.
Yeah, plus they have a clear plan for what season 2 will cover, and it's part of a bigger franchise with multiple shows and movies. It would have to be doing really terribly to be cancelled, and I can't imagine it's that bad considering how damn good it is.
Episode 10 was superb. The prison break was amazing in the way it built up and paid off, and I loved the scene between Luthen and Lonni too.
I think it's far more likely season 2 has a reduced budget than getting outright cancelled. Especially since it was planned for two seasons from the very beginning.
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Aren't they filming season 2 right now?
Anyway, great episode. Luthen's "What have I sacrificed?" speech was moving, and very convincing. The actor made you believe it. Every word.
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I'm listen to some of the score from this show, and it really does a fantastic job of heightening the tension that is constant throughout this show. I cannot stop gushing about how awesome everything about this show is.
Aren't they filming season 2 right now?
Sounds like it's starting filming this month, so I guess there's no reason for me to fear it being cancelled.
Some interesting tidbits here:
https://deadline.com/2022/11/andor-season-2-sets-filming-start-date-creator-tony-gilroy-1235164764/
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Riveting episode! This definitely feels like Star Wars for grown ups.
The acting really is top notch. Andy Serkis was brilliant, but I’m not sure if that’s the last we’ve seen of him. If it was, I think he deserved a slightly better exit. Maybe holding off a bunch of guards to let the prisoners jump off the ledge. But then again I do hope we see him again.
Yes, the speech about sacrifice was excellent - I was totally sold.
I really like how this show blurs the lines between good and bad. The goodies still have to do unsavoury things to further the greater good.
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I think what's drawing me in more than anything else on this show is that it shows the dirty work of a rebellion. All the other movies were flash and heroes and moments of glory, but behind the scenes, all over the galaxy, groups like this were setting the table so to speak, and this series shows that so damn well.
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Agreed. I was wondering if we would get a cameo appearance from one of Tarkin/Vader/Palpatine, but I don’t think we need it. They’re not the focus of the show, and to have them appear might actually cheapen it a bit.
Was also thinking about the consequences of the decisions made by the rebels - Mon Mothma’s daughter possibly being set up in an arranged marriage to secure funding. The ISB mole guy’s daughter being used as leverage to keep him locked in. The 50 guys sacrificed to keep his cover intact.
Gritty stuff.
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Agreed. I was wondering if we would get a cameo appearance from one of Tarkin/Vader/Palpatine, but I don’t think we need it. They’re not the focus of the show, and to have them appear might actually cheapen it a bit.
Yeah I agree. It's been cool seeing a good amount of Mon Mothma though. I wonder if we'll see some crossover with Rebels which covers a really similar timeframe. Seeing the moment where Mon goes public and then into hiding would be really cool, as would the odd cameo from that show.
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Andy Serkis was amazing in this episode. This really is a great show, just so much more depth of character and story then most of the last few Star Wars movies and shows all put together. To me this show is on another level altogether but is obviously sacrificing viewers because of this.
Really interested to see where the next couple of episodes go.
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Agreed. I was wondering if we would get a cameo appearance from one of Tarkin/Vader/Palpatine, but I don’t think we need it. They’re not the focus of the show, and to have them appear might actually cheapen it a bit.
Was also thinking about the consequences of the decisions made by the rebels - Mon Mothma’s daughter possibly being set up in an arranged marriage to secure funding. The ISB mole guy’s daughter being used as leverage to keep him locked in. The 50 guys sacrificed to keep his cover intact.
Gritty stuff.
Exactly... the movies just show the glory of the rebellion, this is showing the prices paid. Just fantastic stuff.
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Interesting article from screenrant: https://screenrant.com/andor-star-wars-show-fans-not-watching-reason/
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It's worth mentioning this was initially envisioned as a 5 season show, 1 year per season. But early on they decided against it, and season 1 remained as 1 year, while season 2 will be 4 3-episode blocks covering roughly a year each to lead us right up to Rogue One. Numbers and critical reception would have to be abysmal for them to back out now. Episode 10 was absolutely fantastic :hefdaddy
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Just caught up on the last 2 episodes tonight. As said, Gollum has been acting his butt off in this series.
I say create a new creative triumvirate for Star Wars. We all know Favreau and Filoni are the first two. Add Tony Gilroy in there as well. Between Rogue One and Andor, that man has made some of my absolute favorite Stars Wars fare.
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Holy Shit! What a great episode!
So much great stuff going on. Great acting and writing. Totally digging this show!
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This is easily the best of the Star Wars TV series so far. I’m sure younger audiences are probably being steered away, but it’s hard to imagine the hardcore fan base isn’t eating this up. Maybe it’s just too far removed from Star Wars’ core ethos?
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Caught up with the episodes. Not much to add that hasn’t been mentioned. Really good show.
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Watched the latest episode a bit late, on Friday night. Hands down, this show is the best on television right now, at least for me. Masterful storytelling. The complaints I've seen from people about there not being enough action - that's not what the show was built on. People never listen. They said from the get-go that the show was about political intrigue and drama more than action.
So damn good.
Now...bring in my boy, K2SO!
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Interesting theory and could be a subtle yet pertinent way to 'include' the Jedi in this story without making it all about the Jedi
https://www.dexerto.com/tv-movies/andor-is-luthen-rael-a-jedi-theory-explained-1982279/
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Interesting theory and could be a subtle yet pertinent way to 'include' the Jedi in this story without making it all about the Jedi
https://www.dexerto.com/tv-movies/andor-is-luthen-rael-a-jedi-theory-explained-1982279/
It's possible. Or at least force-sensitive, like Chirrut was in Rogue One.
Other Jedi worked with the Rebellion in Rebels, so it wouldn't be a stretch at all.
Incidentally, not related to Andor but I finally finished Rebels and thought it was a great show. The time-jump epilogue post-original-trilogy was interesting too and it sounds like that might be a large part of what the Ahsoka show will be exploring.
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Incidentally, not related to Andor but I finally finished Rebels and thought it was a great show. The time-jump epilogue post-original-trilogy was interesting too and it sounds like that might be a large part of what the Ahsoka show will be exploring.
Yeah.....I LOVED 'Rebels'. I'm going to try and get a re-watch in prior to the Ahsoka series being that what we can glean from all the confirmed casting and what has been revealed about that series so far......you're probably spot on about what it'll be centered around, which is cool.
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Obviously we've already seen Ahsoka and Bo-Katan in live action, but honestly I'd love to see some of the other characters.
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Obviously we've already seen Ahsoka and Bo-Katan in live action, but honestly I'd love to see some of the other characters.
Sabine is confirmed, Ezra is as well....so is 'Chopper'.....Hera is all but confirmed (her live action character was reportedly in an extended trailer shown to VIPs)....it'd be cool to see Zeb and Agent Kallus and according to multiple credible sources Lars Mikkelson has been cast to play Grand Admiral Thrawn.
It's setting up to essentially be a continuation of the Rebels story which is awesome.
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Obviously we've already seen Ahsoka and Bo-Katan in live action, but honestly I'd love to see some of the other characters.
Sabine is confirmed, Ezra is as well....so is 'Chopper'.....Hera is all but confirmed (her live action character was reportedly in an extended trailer shown to VIPs)....it'd be cool to see Zeb and Agent Kallus and according to multiple credible sources Lars Mikkelson has been cast to play Grand Admiral Thrawn.
It's setting up to essentially be a continuation of the Rebels story which is awesome.
Oh damn, I knew Ezra and Thrawn were expected to be in it but didn't know the rest. Mikkelsen as Thrawn is awesome. Doesn't work for all characters though - David Oyelowo wouldn't be able to play Kallus! :lol
If it does end up being somewhat of a continuation but with Ahsoka as the central focus, that would indeed be quite exciting.
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I finally finished Rebels and thought it was a great show. The time-jump epilogue post-original-trilogy was interesting too and it sounds like that might be a large part of what the Ahsoka show will be exploring.
My family and I absolutely loved Rebels. We loved The Clone Wars too. The animated shows just really fleshed out the deeper stories and we're extremely well written.
Yes, I'm excited for some of the Rebels questions to be answered in Ahsoka. Casting looks great from what I saw so far, and obviously rumors. Like I said, we loved Rebels, so this is really exciting.
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The good stuff in Clone Wars was great too, the only problem with that show overall is how messy and inconsistent it was. Rebels and Bad Batch work by focusing on a core set of characters while bringing in others. Clone Wars, even in the stronger later seasons, would do things like have a multi episode arc just featuring a bunch of characters we'd never seen before like those droids and that tiny general.
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Dude...
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:lol
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And the secret word for tonight is: Countermeasures
Damn!
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Yep, that scene was excellent. Loved the “slicer” manoeuvre too. That ship has an impressive bag of tricks.
Lots going on in that episode. It definitely feels like the pace has been picked up, and we’re building towards something.
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Star Wars continues the trend of having droids make me feel more emotions than the non-droids. They make B2EMO emote SO much between movements and sounds, not just speech. I really feel for the droid.
I'm also liking that we've seen more of Melshi, who, for the life of me, I didn't remember from Rogue One. Maybe it's time to rewatch that film again really soon once this season of Andor wraps up!
-Marc.
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Yeah, I didn't remember Melshi either, but as has been pointed out he's in Rogue One. But apparently Andor meets up with him again later, since they seem to be parting ways for now.
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Star Wars continues the trend of having droids make me feel more emotions than the non-droids. They make B2EMO emote SO much between movements and sounds, not just speech. I really feel for the droid.
I'm also liking that we've seen more of Melshi, who, for the life of me, I didn't remember from Rogue One. Maybe it's time to rewatch that film again really soon once this season of Andor wraps up!
-Marc.
I rewatched it recently and his role wasn't very big to be honest, but it's still cool anyway.
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And the secret word for tonight is: Countermeasures
Damn!
Seriously, that was bad ass.
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Luthen's ship is pretty sweet, and has some serious gear. Looks like a similar class of ship to the Millenium Falcon.
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Star Wars continues the trend of having droids make me feel more emotions than the non-droids. They make B2EMO emote SO much between movements and sounds, not just speech. I really feel for the droid.
I'm also liking that we've seen more of Melshi, who, for the life of me, I didn't remember from Rogue One. Maybe it's time to rewatch that film again really soon once this season of Andor wraps up!
-Marc.
It's funny, because I think a good 33% of Rogue One was totally forgettable and could have been cut. Edit: no I didn't remember Melshi. Huh.
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Rogue One for me was the story of a girl who ended up joining the rebels, whose father worked on the Death Star project against his will, and she and the rest of the rebels were trying to get the secret of the Death Star's "Achilles Heel" to someone who could do something useful with that information. I remember Forest Whitaker was in it, and Donnie Yen played a blind Chinese guy who was seemed force-sensitive and had a great line about the Imps blindfolding a blind man. Oh yeah, there was a computer-generated Tarkin in it, and the ending had Darth Vader and dovetailed nicely into Episode 4, the original Star Wars, with Princess Leia turning out to be the "someone". Other than Jyn the girl, the rebels in Rogue One honestly all kinda blur together; I don't remember any other names or even much about their faces.
When I first heard of Andor, the series, I thought it was a planet and that the series would be all about stuff that happened on that planet during the Imperial Occupation. Which is also a kinda cool idea and not too far off from what we got. I was probably getting Andor getting confused with Endor, the planet where the Ewoks live. I didn't remember Andor the character at all, or any of the others including Melshi.
But I've been following the series discussions here and on a few other boards, and have a huge appreciation for what they've done here. The storytelling, acting, and production and effects have all been terrific.
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The thing I like most about the series so far is that it has demonstrated more than any other live action Star Wars to date the mundanity of evil. It shows the lower rungs of the facist apparatus, and that rather than single, horrific individuals, that evil and misery is propagated by seemingly ordinary persons. The kind of people who can cheerfully chat about work with their colleagues one moment, before putting on their work face and matter of factly torturing a prisoner with the dying screams of a genocided race of aliens the next.
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Absolutely outstanding finale...definitely a top tier Star Wars product, if not the best.
Also, a small, but very, very cool mid credit scene...
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What a tense finale. Definitely not what I expected but also everything I wanted. Everything came together in a satisfying way, and now we begin the long wait for Season two!
And yes, that mid-credits scene was fantastic.
-Marc.
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Holy hell that was good. I love how fleshed out Ferrix was as a culture. Feels like a real place with a history.
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Such a great show. Can't wait for season 2!
Dedra Meero is a great villain, but it was great the way even she lost her shit.
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Such a great show. Can't wait for season 2!
Dedra Meero is a great villain, but it was great the way even she lost her shit.
Yeah, the way she crumbled in the face of real consequences was brilliant
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Really love the show but I was pretty underwhelmed by the finale. Looking forward to the second season but as they only just started filming it, I think we are in for a bit of a wait.
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Loved it. What a perfect battle for this show. The beginnings of rebellion. Can't wait for season 2.
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Really love the show but I was pretty underwhelmed by the finale. Looking forward to the second season but as they only just started filming it, I think we are in for a bit of a wait.
I can understand why you'd say that. I really liked the finale, but I was thinking to myself initially that a space battle might have been cool, or a close shave escape like we saw with Luthen and the "countermeasures" stunt.
Then on reflection, I thought what they did was great - this is the spark of rebellion, an individual community standing up to oppression for the first time. They are not well funded or organised, nor do they have the resources to go toe to toe with the Empire (yet). I'm sure we'll see more of that in the next season, but what we got was bang on appropriate for where we are in the story of the Rebellion.
I do find myself getting a bit disappointed that the other Star Wars content we've got recently hasn't been of this type of quality. It's all been a very mixed bag for me. Can you imagine if we had a trilogy with this level of acting, writing, direction? It could have been something special..
EDIT: Forgot to say - did you guys catch the post-credits scene? Very cool..
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Just chiming in to say that I thought it was awesome. Tied everything together, none of it too neatly, plenty of ways to go next season. But I thought it was great overall. I do have a few nitpicks, but I'll save 'em.
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Definitely a great finale. Had me on the edge of my seat even though we knew Cassian would get away. Loved the slow build up with the funeral procession. You don’t see many scenes that last that long and develop that slowly in general. That was perfectly done though.
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EDIT: Forgot to say - did you guys catch the post-credits scene? Very cool..
I loved it! Cassian helped build the Death Star, and he helped destroy it.
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EDIT: Forgot to say - did you guys catch the post-credits scene? Very cool..
I loved it! Cassian helped build the Death Star, and he helped destroy it.
But he was also killed by it.
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EDIT: Forgot to say - did you guys catch the post-credits scene? Very cool..
I loved it! Cassian helped build the Death Star, and he helped destroy it.
But he was also killed by it.
Kind of a shame that the most interesting character Star Wars has created since the original trilogy has such a short period before he dies.
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https://youtu.be/t9Pccq0DZVc
If ANDOR was a mid-70s sci-fi TV show (has spoilers!) - I love the reworked theme song!
-Marc.
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EDIT: Forgot to say - did you guys catch the post-credits scene? Very cool..
I loved it! Cassian helped build the Death Star, and he helped destroy it.
But he was also killed by it.
That's how it goes sometimes.
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EDIT: Forgot to say - did you guys catch the post-credits scene? Very cool..
I loved it! Cassian helped build the Death Star, and he helped destroy it.
But he was also killed by it.
Kind of a shame that the most interesting character Star Wars has created since the original trilogy has such a short period before he dies.
Agreed. But we had him in one feature film, and at least two seasons of a television show. If you think about it, that's screen time on par with being in a full trilogy of films, actually more like four films. So we get a lot of him, thankfully.
Rogue One and Andor have been all around excellent. And although this is unpopular with some, including, I guess, Disney, I really enjoyed Solo. I thought it was great casting and a great movie. The only flops after the recent feature films has been the Book of Boba Fett. At least for me. I enjoyed Kenobi (not as much as Andor and The Mandalorian), minus the bad acting from the female lead who played the inquisitor. I just didn't think she was a very good actress. Although she got better as the series moved on.
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I was so blown away by Andor and the season finale that I decided to rewatch the season. I've never done that before, just go right back and watch it again, but there are so many characters and so many intersecting plot lines that I figured it would be good to go through it all again.
It holds up extremely well. In fact, it occurred to me that one criterion of how well-written something is would be how well it holds up upon repeat viewings. All those lines that characters had, which may have been throwaways at the time, or not, can turn out to have much greater meaning. Or the opposite; does something someone said hold up, now that we know how things really are? This series has put a lot of moving pieces out there and we don't see until later, sometimes much later, how they all fit together. A lot of times we get the payoff and I'll remember something from two or three episodes back and go "A-ha!" because I get it. And sometimes I don't, but upon rewatch, that seed was indeed planted.
Anyway, I've now rewatched the first six episodes, and I'm enjoying it as much as I did the first time through. Great stuff.
Rewatch observations:
The first three episodes seemed to deal a lot of with Cassian finding his little sister and flashbacks to his home planet of Kennari. I know there's a line later from Maarva that he should just let her go; there's no way she's still alive and/or that he'll ever find her. And that's the last time she's referred to in the entire series (so far), and they stopped with the flashbacks after Episode 3. Upon rewatch, it becomes more clear that there will be characters who enter and leave Andor's life, and we've got a lot of ground to cover, so there will be a lot of these side characters. Even Kino Loy (Andy Serkis) may or may not be coming back, so it's not a matter of stunt casting. Clem, Skeen, Nemik, and now Maarva, all gone. Perhaps even Brasso and the others on Ferrix who survived the uprising are now in the past. The story moves forward, and those were just people whose paths crossed Andor's at some point.
We never did find out the real connection between Luthen and Vel. It's hinted to be more than what we see on screen.
Dedra and Syril, seriously where is this going?
There will be more "questions unanswered (so far)" I'm sure.
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I am going to rewatch it in the next couple of weeks as well.
Season 2 is set up very nicely. So many unanswered questions (in a good way)!
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Andor Honest Trailer is spot on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6_5fjY54oQ
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Finished the show last week. I enjoyed it. My gf and I watched the first episode some time ago and neither of us were intrigued but I kept reading about how the show was really good (after the season had ended) and there was a bit of a build up. So we got to episode 3 and were hooked, even my gf was saying to not change the show but to keep on because we were that into it. Looking back, I thought it was quite a journey between all the things going on from the start to the end and yet it ends exactly where it started (in terms of location). I'm super intrigued about the start of the rebellion and what we've seen so far. Season 2 is going to be highly anticipated from me.
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I really want to watch through this again soon, but I'm not sure when I'll have the time
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Who is Uncle Harlo??
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Who is Uncle Harlo??
If he’s anybody (part of the ethos of the show is the banality of the Empire and how ordinary, non-Sith people are responsible for the day to day operations), I think it would be a fun twist if he was Luthen.
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Really, REALLY, impressed with this show. It instantly goes to the top of the SW series mountain for me!
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I'm up to Narkina 5 on my rewatch. As well done as the prison arc was, I have to say I wasn't really looking forward to it, because I already know how it ends and the whole time there is pretty damned depressing. But as they've always done, they cut between the other various storylines -- Mon Mothma, Luthen, the happenings on Ferrix -- and the balance was good. The prison scenes are enough to give you the picture, depress you a bit, but it's not as horrendous as it could have been. We get it, he's in prison doing hard labor, it sucks. So again, I'm impressed with the rewatchability factor. Even when you know what's going to happen, watching it play out is great because it's so well done.