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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: nikatapi on July 11, 2022, 07:55:07 AM
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We haven't heard anything about a live release for this tour, so what do you think?
Personally, i'd love to get live versions from the new tracks, and i kind of expect a new live album from every tour from the band (too bad we didn't get anything off of The Astonishing).
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I’d like a live album from this tour just so we can have official live releases of all seven mega-epics (eight if you count AMBI).
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My gut says it won't be an official release as we had one for the previous tour. Probably something like a Christmas release or the Bootleg (LNF Archives) route. Always a crying shame that the Astonishing tour didn't get a video release as that stage was fantastic.
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If they do one, I hope it gets a slightly different setlist, since we already have official live versions of most of these songs from this same lineup.
I think if they don't, I imagine something from this tour will make it to the LNFA list eventually.
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Always a crying shame that the Astonishing tour didn't get a video release as that stage was fantastic.
Someone pointed out this video to me some time ago in another thread, but this is probably the closest we will get
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT92NO3pTnA
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I think it’s more likely they’ll release a live show for LNF archives. Official live releases will probably be saved for really special shows.
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Always a crying shame that the Astonishing tour didn't get a video release as that stage was fantastic.
Someone pointed out this video to me some time ago in another thread, but this is probably the closest we will get
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT92NO3pTnA
That's at least something, thanks for sharing. I hope some show is at released as audio only from that tour as part of the LNF series.
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How about live album PLUS Blu-Ray/DVD? Distant Memories was awesome.
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I've been really skeptical of the live albums if the Mangini Era. They sound like studio tracks with piped in crowd noise.
The setlist was outstanding, but if the bootleg versions of Bridges In The Sky didn't make you nuts, how can you listen to it on a live album?
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I've been really skeptical of the live albums if the Mangini Era. They sound like studio tracks with piped in crowd noise.
The setlist was outstanding, but if the bootleg versions of Bridges In The Sky didn't make you nuts, how can you listen to it on a live album?
You have a point, i agree, too much post-processing especially on the vocals.
I'd be interested to hear Mike's sound though, and i love the self-titled epic so much so i'd love to have a live version of it :)
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I've been really skeptical of the live albums if the Mangini Era. They sound like studio tracks with piped in crowd noise.
The setlist was outstanding, but if the bootleg versions of Bridges In The Sky didn't make you nuts, how can you listen to it on a live album?
Yeah, Distant Memories had great shots, but it was my least interested live album from them that I can recall. I think i was pretty harsh in my reviews of it with the band looking disinterested and the mix just didn't feel live. Now this tour they are using more backing tracks and I can only imagine an official live album will be uninteresting. Of course I'd buy it and hope it would be great, but I saw the show live twice and while I enjoyed it, it's far from a free flowing concert that gets me excited. Dead crowds as well.
So sadly, I don't think they should release a live album from this tour. An official bootleg makes a lot more sense.
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Always a crying shame that the Astonishing tour didn't get a video release as that stage was fantastic.
Someone pointed out this video to me some time ago in another thread, but this is probably the closest we will get
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT92NO3pTnA
Funny (well, ironically funny): this is by far more interesting than any live release they've put out since, idk, Score perhaps.
Energetic, James is in good shape compared to the european leg of that tour and how difficoult is to sing those songs and the audience is very much alive (though it was TA setting, it's still Chile)
I'll never be tired of reiterating that , despite all of its flaws, TA conteins some of the most inspired, beautiful and catchy musical moments of DT.
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Well, let's take a close look at this. When's the last time they did back to back tours with live releases? They didn't. What was the distance between their last 2 live releases? 6 years. I'm deducing that this tour will not have a live release.
Also, with the amount of quality bootlegs available on YouTube, anyone can see just about any song live on the current tour.
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Well, let's take a close look at this. When's the last time they did back to back tours with live releases? They didn't.
If by "back to back tours," you mean tours for back to back albums: ADTOE and DT12. Not that long ago.
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Well, let's take a close look at this. When's the last time they did back to back tours with live releases? They didn't. What was the distance between their last 2 live releases? 6 years. I'm deducing that this tour will not have a live release.
Also, with the amount of quality bootlegs available on YouTube, anyone can see just about any song live on the current tour.
As someone who has shared plenty of DT live videos over the years, I can say that I really don't think quality boots should stop a band from releasing a professionally done live album. No fan filmed footage will top that.
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Well, let's take a close look at this. When's the last time they did back to back tours with live releases? They didn't.
If by "back to back tours," you mean tours for back to back albums: ADTOE and DT12. Not that long ago.
Also Live At Budokan and Score..
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The band has an excellent stage production this tour. It's almost reminiscent of The Astonishing in regards to the video screens size
The Distant Memories tour had an alright stage production with the riser behind Mangini. It could have been better though. I really enjoy the sound of the drums and the mix actually does represent how it sounded live as well.
It'd be a shame if they did not get this awesome stage production on video.
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Well, let's take a close look at this. When's the last time they did back to back tours with live releases? They didn't.
If by "back to back tours," you mean tours for back to back albums: ADTOE and DT12. Not that long ago.
Also Live At Budokan and Score..
Yeah, they've done lots. But he asked "when's the last time," so I just went for the most recent. But, yeah, they have done quite a few back to back. And if you want to expand past label releases and look at the Official Bootlegs, they did every tour since Images when Portnoy was in the band, excluding Black Clouds (and we were going to get that tour if Portnoy hadn't left before it was released).
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I'll never be tired of reiterating that , despite all of its flaws, TA conteins some of the most inspired, beautiful and catchy musical moments of DT.
Yup, so many brilliant melodies on there.
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Well, let's take a close look at this. When's the last time they did back to back tours with live releases? They didn't.
If by "back to back tours," you mean tours for back to back albums: ADTOE and DT12. Not that long ago.
Also Live At Budokan and Score..
5 Years in a LIVEtime was predominantly FII tour, and then they did Live Scenes From NY. And then going off your example of Budokan and Score, they then did Chaos in Motion.
So, from Images and Words on, it was 1 live and then a gap, 2 lives and a gap (though Bucharest as a YJR DVD), 3 lives and a gap and then 2 lives and a gap. Knowing DT’s love of number symmetry, maybe they will have another gap in the live albums and only release this as audio through LNFA.
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I don't know! James was at about 40% battery at my show. And I was liking the setlist enough in person, but put that on a CD and I can see myself looking at any of their other live releases before this hypothetical one.
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Well, let's take a close look at this. When's the last time they did back to back tours with live releases? They didn't. What was the distance between their last 2 live releases? 6 years. I'm deducing that this tour will not have a live release.
Also, with the amount of quality bootlegs available on YouTube, anyone can see just about any song live on the current tour.
As someone who has shared plenty of DT live videos over the years, I can say that I really don't think quality boots should stop a band from releasing a professionally done live album. No fan filmed footage will top that.
I'm with Cram on this one. That a boot exists doesn't mean much to me. I don't really spend a lot of time with boots unless I absolutely have to, and I can't recall a time that when a band later released officially something that I had on a boot that I didn't then buy to have an official copy.
I know there are problems with this strategy (overdubs, cuts, etc.) but still.
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I have always loved boots.
If you listen to the live albums from the MP Era, they sound live, and then compare them to the MM Era, which don't.
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I have always loved boots.
If you listen to the live albums from the MP Era, they sound live, and then compare them to the MM Era, which don't.
Good point, and one i agree with. The MM era live albums sound more artificial.
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I have always loved boots.
I like the IDEA of boots; it's the execution that so often fails for me.
If you listen to the live albums from the MP Era, they sound live, and then compare them to the MM Era, which don't.
Yes; and that's what I love about the best live albums in my collection. They SOUND live. You can hear the atmosphere in an album like "Strangers In The Night"; that echo of the arena at the start of "Love To Love". Or "Rock Bottom" on Side Four of Alive!.
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Yes; and that's what I love about the best live albums in my collection. They SOUND live. You can hear the atmosphere in an album like "Strangers In The Night"; that echo of the arena at the start of "Love To Love". Or "Rock Bottom" on Side Four of Alive!.
And DT's recent live albums sound more like Side 4 of Alive II.
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I have always loved boots.
They hurt my feet.
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I could say the same about Alive In Color by Redemption not sounding "Live".
It is funny though, if you want audience noise during a live show, the audience has to make noise. Dream Theater audiences are some of the dullest I have seen.
The thing is also, the mute the vocal mics when not in use so you can't really hear the audience much at all. Unless, it's not muted like during the solo part of Fall Into The Light.
I have always loved boots.
If you listen to the live albums from the MP Era, they sound live, and then compare them to the MM Era, which don't.
How do they not sound live to you?
They sound live to me, I can hear JPs guitar tone, Myungs bass tones, Manginis drum mix, and also JRs choices of patches to use on the tour.
That's what I found interesting. On JRs Patreon, he went through which patches, and layers of patches he chose to use on the tour, many which are different than what was used on the album. I don't know about anyone else, but I can tell the difference.
Just because a band utilizes a click to keep on tempo and time, does not mean it's not live.
In other words, what does "Live" mean to you?
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It is funny though, if you want audience noise during a live show, the audience has to make noise. Dream Theater audiences are some of the dullest I have seen.
so true
That's another reason why Distant Memories is not a great video to watch, the crowd is so dead.
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It is funny though, if you want audience noise during a live show, the audience has to make noise. Dream Theater audiences are some of the dullest I have seen.
so true
That's another reason why Distant Memories is not a great video to watch, the crowd is so dead.
It is sort of dull when no one sings these sing-along parts, and JLB or JP has to motion or mention to sing along. Like the ending of The Count of Tuscany, or Fall Into The Light. Fall Into The Light just calls for that with it's melody. It is fascinating though how different cultures perceive music and how they express those feelings during live performances.
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I have always loved boobs.
Same
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Unrelated, except we're talking about how live albums "sound" and it features MP. But I'm currently listening to Morsefest 17 while I'm working (this is the one that features Testimony 2 and Similitude, plus some rare epics), and man does this sound good! This is what live albums should sound like AFAIC.
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I have always loved boobs.
Same
You know who pauses Fast Times at Ridgemont High at 53 minutes 5 seconds?
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I have always loved boobs.
Same
You know who pauses Fast Times at Ridgemont High at 53 minutes 5 seconds?
Everyone.
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What would be an example of a not 'dead' DT crowd? Every time I have seen them, people either sit or stand more or less in place. It's hard to do much else when there are chairs behind you and when the music is blazing through odd time signatures. It's the nature of the act.
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I don't know that that's true. The Shattered Fortress show - which is essentially the same music - was a pretty raucous affair if I remember correctly (McSorley's before meeting up with a couple forumers before the show, so I may not). Iron Maiden is only a couple steps down in complexity, but many steps up in energy.
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What would be an example of a not 'dead' DT crowd? Every time I have seen them, people either sit or stand more or less in place. It's hard to do much else when there are chairs behind you and when the music is blazing through odd time signatures. It's the nature of the act.
https://youtu.be/M81CHCBcwqs?t=87 (https://youtu.be/M81CHCBcwqs?t=87)
But seriously, for the US and Europe crowd where it's not like this and physically can't due to the seating, I think the simple answer is to at least be on your feet. Put your arms in the air and sing along at the appropriate times. Clap. Cheer. Jump. There's a lot of things you can do besides sitting and being still. It's a rock concert.
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I have always loved boobs.
Same
You know who pauses Fast Times at Ridgemont High at 53 minutes 5 seconds?
People who like boobies, Robin! Boobies!
Can we not say ‘boobies’, please!?
Not a big deal! I like boobies, you like boobies…. VICKY LIKES BOOBIES!!
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I would LOVE to see a live album from this tour, but as people have said, there's so little difference between the official live releases and the studio stuff these days that it's barely worth it.
As for the audiences, here in the UK you'd think most of the crowd were at a funeral. Hammersmith has a better atmosphere than Wembley, which has none at all, but I'd love to see them play some smaller venues too, like they used to. All the footage I've seen of the Wembley show makes me glad I missed it, but I'd have loved to see that in a smaller venue, a lot of the US dates seemed to be in smaller theatres, and I imagine this worked spectacularly there.
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I would LOVE to see a live album from this tour, but as people have said, there's so little difference between the official live releases and the studio stuff these days that it's barely worth it.
As for the audiences, here in the UK you'd think most of the crowd were at a funeral. Hammersmith has a better atmosphere than Wembley, which has none at all, but I'd love to see them play some smaller venues too, like they used to. All the footage I've seen of the Wembley show makes me glad I missed it, but I'd have loved to see that in a smaller venue, a lot of the US dates seemed to be in smaller theatres, and I imagine this worked spectacularly there.
The NYC show had amazing energy, but two factors played into that besides it being a great show. One, it was a hometown show so NYC crowds are always excited to see DT. Two, there was a lot of positive energy in the air once James announced that Portnoy was in the crowd. Honestly the only low energy DT show I’ve seen (I first saw them on the self-titled tour and haven’t missed a tour since) was The Astonishing show, which even if the album was well received, it wasn’t a show that called for a high energy audience.
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I don't know that that's true. The Shattered Fortress show - which is essentially the same music - was a pretty raucous affair if I remember correctly (McSorley's before meeting up with a couple forumers before the show, so I may not). Iron Maiden is only a couple steps down in complexity, but many steps up in energy.
What would be an example of a not 'dead' DT crowd? Every time I have seen them, people either sit or stand more or less in place. It's hard to do much else when there are chairs behind you and when the music is blazing through odd time signatures. It's the nature of the act.
https://youtu.be/M81CHCBcwqs?t=87 (https://youtu.be/M81CHCBcwqs?t=87)
But seriously, for the US and Europe crowd where it's not like this and physically can't due to the seating, I think the simple answer is to at least be on your feet. Put your arms in the air and sing along at the appropriate times. Clap. Cheer. Jump. There's a lot of things you can do besides sitting and being still. It's a rock concert.
Exactly right on both counts. The problem is, when there are seats, people will sit. And when they do, there is a huge dropoff in energy. For years, DT's go-to venue in San Francisco was the Warfield, which is an older venue that is standing room on the floor with seating in the balcony levels. I saw them several times there through the Along for the Ride tour. Beginning with The Astonishing, they began playing seated-only venues (or venues that could be configured for an entirely seated show), and I have noticed a significant dropoff in energy even among the same exact fanbase in the same market. As long as they do seated shows in markets where fans will sit when there are chairs, that's how it's going to be. And it feels like the live releases have tracked that as well. Distant Memories is fine. Visually, it is great seeing shots of the band. But I never just listen to that show because, put simply, there isn't much reason for me to. There's no novelty (at least in the main set) or special energy to the performance, and every song on it is performed better on the studio recordings we have.
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Spot on with The Astonishing Tour being the moment things changed. That's at least the way I see it here as well. Previously DT would do venues that had a GA pit and seats in the back. I truly think this is the best of both worlds type of venue for any rock band, not just DT. But with TA tour, with the ushers and not being even allowed to stand, it really killed the vibe for not only that show, but for the tours to come. I will say, I think this current tour the band is actually being a bit better about embracing the crowd with being a bit more encouraging to get up and not having ushers run up and down the aisles the moment someone pulls out a phone, but then the seated only venues come into play and I will add, the aging of the DT fanbase as well doesn't help things when there is a seat to be sat in for the 2-3 hour show.
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What would be an example of a not 'dead' DT crowd? Every time I have seen them, people either sit or stand more or less in place. It's hard to do much else when there are chairs behind you and when the music is blazing through odd time signatures. It's the nature of the act.
https://youtu.be/M81CHCBcwqs?t=87 (https://youtu.be/M81CHCBcwqs?t=87)
But seriously, for the US and Europe crowd where it's not like this and physically can't due to the seating, I think the simple answer is to at least be on your feet. Put your arms in the air and sing along at the appropriate times. Clap. Cheer. Jump. There's a lot of things you can do besides sitting and being still. It's a rock concert.
The problem with seating is that nobody wants to be te first to stand out. If everyone is sitting, who is gonna stand up and look like a fool, while blocking the view behind him as well?
I can picture a scenario where in the enthusiasm of a classic song played near the end, everyone lets lose a bit - case in point, the other day I was at a gig all seated (in the courtyard of a freakin' castle btw, how cool) and only near the end some people dared to walk up to the sides of the stage, to not block too much the view, to jump, sing and dance along. However, nobody wants to be the first to stand up and stand out in the crowd.
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What would be an example of a not 'dead' DT crowd? Every time I have seen them, people either sit or stand more or less in place. It's hard to do much else when there are chairs behind you and when the music is blazing through odd time signatures. It's the nature of the act.
https://youtu.be/M81CHCBcwqs?t=87 (https://youtu.be/M81CHCBcwqs?t=87)
But seriously, for the US and Europe crowd where it's not like this and physically can't due to the seating, I think the simple answer is to at least be on your feet. Put your arms in the air and sing along at the appropriate times. Clap. Cheer. Jump. There's a lot of things you can do besides sitting and being still. It's a rock concert.
The problem with seating is that nobody wants to be te first to stand out. If everyone is sitting, who is gonna stand up and look like a fool, while blocking the view behind him as well?
Yeah, this does come into play. Reminded me of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjg560OSrBc). Here's the full concert someone recorded from the back of the venue of the local 2022 DT show where I was in the front row. Immediately you can see only the front row standing and everyone else sitting. You can be damn sure I was not going to sit for DT up close, but I guess the people behind me didn't care to. Not my problem really. As long as security allows me (they did not allow me to stand when I was front row for TA show). But I really do wish those people did stand up for the bands sake.
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Always a crying shame that the Astonishing tour didn't get a video release as that stage was fantastic.
Someone pointed out this video to me some time ago in another thread, but this is probably the closest we will get
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT92NO3pTnA
Funny (well, ironically funny): this is by far more interesting than any live release they've put out since, idk, Score perhaps.
Energetic, James is in good shape compared to the european leg of that tour and how difficoult is to sing those songs and the audience is very much alive (though it was TA setting, it's still Chile)
I'll never be tired of reiterating that , despite all of its flaws, TA conteins some of the most inspired, beautiful and catchy musical moments of DT.
Wow! That looks great!
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What would be an example of a not 'dead' DT crowd? Every time I have seen them, people either sit or stand more or less in place. It's hard to do much else when there are chairs behind you and when the music is blazing through odd time signatures. It's the nature of the act.
Chile 2019
Overture 1928/Strange Déja Vú
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hApUrrjE4dg
A Nightmare To Remember (JP was jumping with the crowd)
https://youtu.be/qSBUeDabrZI?t=770
There is no recording of this but I was there and I can tell you that there was a mosh pit at the beginning of Beyond This Life.
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The problem is, when there are seats, people will sit. And when they do, there is a huge dropoff in energy.
That's right... But there's always this exception...
Our New World Chile 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHjl3XUjjaI&ab_channel=PanchoDvS
It's different than other shows that you can see people jumping and screaming, but you can feel the energy there.
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If there's going to be a live album, I think the possibilities are:
- Rock In Rio: maybe they use the streaming recording or something like what Iron Maiden did in 2002.
- Only audio: like Live in Berlin (2019).
- Or record on South America or Europe 2023 (JM said on an interview that they're returning to Europe on 2023 https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/artes-y-cultura/musica/2022/08/04/dream-theater-vuelve-a-chile-tras-ganar-el-grammy-son-tiempos-dificiles-y-de-obstaculos.shtml)
The venue where they're playing in Chile is very nice for a DVD, so that's a guess of lots of Chileans hehe.
Let's hope they release something...
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What would be an example of a not 'dead' DT crowd? Every time I have seen them, people either sit or stand more or less in place. It's hard to do much else when there are chairs behind you and when the music is blazing through odd time signatures. It's the nature of the act.
Chile 2019
Overture 1928/Strange Déja Vú
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hApUrrjE4dg
A Nightmare To Remember (JP was jumping with the crowd)
https://youtu.be/qSBUeDabrZI?t=770
There is no recording of this but I was there and I can tell you that there was a mosh pit at the beginning of Beyond This Life.
Holy shit, that's electric!
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Damn... Playing for that sort of crowd has got to be exhilarating. Can you imagine if they released a DVD of their heaviest music performed in front of a crowd like that?
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Damn... Playing for that sort of crowd has got to be exhilarating. Can you imagine if they released a DVD of their heaviest music performed in front of a crowd like that?
It'd be amazing. There is something to say about how much passionate South Americans are for music, especially Metal acts.
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Both of those videos were amazing! Had me jumping up and down here at my desk lol.
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Damn... Playing for that sort of crowd has got to be exhilarating. Can you imagine if they released a DVD of their heaviest music performed in front of a crowd like that?
I have my teories about that show (chile 2019)... I'm sure it was recorded (for the screens obviously) but also I saw that there were a lot of microphones and filming crew. I hope there's something around there...
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What would be an example of a not 'dead' DT crowd? Every time I have seen them, people either sit or stand more or less in place. It's hard to do much else when there are chairs behind you and when the music is blazing through odd time signatures. It's the nature of the act.
Chile 2019
Overture 1928/Strange Déja Vú
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hApUrrjE4dg
A Nightmare To Remember (JP was jumping with the crowd)
https://youtu.be/qSBUeDabrZI?t=770
There is no recording of this but I was there and I can tell you that there was a mosh pit at the beginning of Beyond This Life.
Holy shit, that's electric!
Wow, JP jumping with the crowd! I'd love to see more of that
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Every live concert film should be filmed in South America. Every tour.
Megadeth - One Night in Buenos Aires, Rush-Rush in Rio and a bunch of Iron Maiden concert films
can attest to this!
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That would be great if they film a upcoming show in Chile, those people know how to appreciate a good concert when they see one. :metal
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Wow, JP jumping with the crowd! I'd love to see more of that
I didn't even know JP could jump. That's how often he does it. ;D
Also, if they decide to record a live DVD, better make it Chile and not Argentina. For whatever reason, the crowd on the Luna Park DVD is really calm. :-\
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Wow, JP jumping with the crowd! I'd love to see more of that
I didn't even know JP could jump. That's how often he does it. ;D
Also, if they decide to record a live DVD, better make it Chile and not Argentina. For whatever reason, the crowd on the Luna Park DVD is really calm. :-\
I may be wrong but, although people were standing, it was in a seating configuration (again, i may be wrong but i can recall it being an odd choice since in previous visits in the same venue the floor was general admission)
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Wow, JP jumping with the crowd! I'd love to see more of that
I didn't even know JP could jump. That's how often he does it. ;D
Also, if they decide to record a live DVD, better make it Chile and not Argentina. For whatever reason, the crowd on the Luna Park DVD is really calm. :-\
I may be wrong but, although people were standing, it was in a seating configuration (again, i may be wrong but i can recall it being an odd choice since in previous visits in the same venue the floor was general admission)
I wondered if the seating had to do with the calm crowd. I had expected much better. Chile it is IMO!
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That would be great if they film a upcoming show in Chile, those people know how to appreciate a good concert when they see one. :metal
The only thing is that the upcoming concert is with seats so people is probably not going to be jumping as the 2019 show. But it would be great a recording of Chile.
Damn, I really want to go, couldn't get tickets.
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Also, look at the venue of the concert:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anfiteatro_de_la_Quinta_Vergara
It's perfect for a DVD.
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How about live album PLUS Blu-Ray/DVD? Distant Memories was awesome.
FWIW, I'm hoping for the same.
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We should definitely have it recorded. We need all the concerts documented. DT won't be around that much longer...If it isn't, then it
will be like TA - everyone wishing we had it and we won't.
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I definitely don’t want an official live album from this tour, but I definitely want an LNF release from it.
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We should definitely have it recorded. We need all the concerts documented. DT won't be around that much longer...If it isn't, then it
will be like TA - everyone wishing we had it and we won't.
Why do you think they won't be around that much longer? They could have another 10 years in them or more which would be at least 3-4 more albums. There is no sign that these guys are getting tired or are running out of creative energy so it is totally possible, health permitting.
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We should definitely have it recorded. We need all the concerts documented. DT won't be around that much longer...If it isn't, then it
will be like TA - everyone wishing we had it and we won't.
Why do you think they won't be around that much longer? They could have another 10 years in them or more which would be at least 3-4 more albums. There is no sign that these guys are getting tired or are running out of creative energy so it is totally possible, health permitting.
I agree with about 10 years...That's not that long to me. And we (I am around their age group) are at that point where all manner of weird health ailments can crop up. Just sayin'. Get all DT recorded. With Video. As much as I am loving the LNFA, I would love to have more visual recordings. They are different. Different time periods, gear, hair. (or not :lol)
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I definitely don’t want an official live album from this tour, but I definitely want an LNF release from it.
Why would you rather it be via LNF? I haven't checked out the recent one, does it sound better or maybe it's more raw?
Since the shows don't have different set lists, I'd rather they go the full on professional route, but I think a LNF release would be better than none.
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I definitely don’t want an official live album from this tour, but I definitely want an LNF release from it.
Why would you rather it be via LNF? I haven't checked out the recent one, does it sound better or maybe it's more raw?
Exactly. The MM Era live albums are unlistenable. I don't trust their sound to actually be live, and way too much fucking with the crowd levels. Using the studio version of the orchestra for IT on the Opera House release is one example. WTF?
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I definitely don’t want an official live album from this tour, but I definitely want an LNF release from it.
Why would you rather it be via LNF? I haven't checked out the recent one, does it sound better or maybe it's more raw?
Exactly. The MM Era live albums are unlistenable. I don't trust their sound to actually be live, and way too much fucking with the crowd levels. Using the studio version of the orchestra for IT on the Opera House release is one example. WTF?
Wait, they didn't use the actual orchestra sound for that song on the live album? That's :sadpanda:
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Don't know how they discovered that, but in my own experience, the orchestra is pretty much inaudible in the other songs they are featured from that show :huh: :lol
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I definitely don’t want an official live album from this tour, but I definitely want an LNF release from it.
Why would you rather it be via LNF? I haven't checked out the recent one, does it sound better or maybe it's more raw?
Exactly. The MM Era live albums are unlistenable. I don't trust their sound to actually be live, and way too much fucking with the crowd levels. Using the studio version of the orchestra for IT on the Opera House release is one example. WTF?
Wait, they didn't use the actual orchestra sound for that song on the live album? That's :sadpanda:
Yeah, wow. Is that true? Source?
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It was talked about pretty openly here when it came out.
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It is funny though, if you want audience noise during a live show, the audience has to make noise. Dream Theater audiences are some of the dullest I have seen.
Yeah, why is that, I wonder? Sometimes it seems like a funeral is about to break out.
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It is funny though, if you want audience noise during a live show, the audience has to make noise. Dream Theater audiences are some of the dullest I have seen.
Yeah, why is that, I wonder? Sometimes it seems like a funeral is about to break out.
Because 90% of the audience are musicians and they are standing there in awe and realising how crap they actually are and how they should just give up.
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It is funny though, if you want audience noise during a live show, the audience has to make noise. Dream Theater audiences are some of the dullest I have seen.
Yeah, why is that, I wonder? Sometimes it seems like a funeral is about to break out.
Because 90% of the audience are musicians and they are standing there in awe and realising how crap they actually are and how they should just give up.
I would put it more politely: i think a lot of people go to see a performance rather than a rock concert. It's in the nature of the kind of music they make.
Besides, it's not just the band that is aging...
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But these are generalizations, and they are not all on the fans. I play guitar, I know enough to know what's what on a stage, but it's not like I go to a Kiss show and think "okay, gonna get hammered, shake my fist like an idiot, and completely ignore anything that Paul Stanley does on the guitar" and then I go to DT and think "okay, got my sight-reading glasses on, can't wait to see if that tri-unison harmonic fifth run is picked in it's entirety or whether John cheats and uses pull-offs in the 5th, 7th, and 13th measures!" I want to rock out at a DT show just as much as any other concert I go to. It's not an orchestral recital.
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I'm in between. I go to a DT show to see them pull off live the incredible musicianship they recorded in the studio. No offense, but that's no great feat for KISS, but it's quite impressive for bands like DT.
I'm definitely there to rock out, but I'm also there to notice and appreciate. No way I'm getting sloshed before a DT show.
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I'm in between. I go to a DT show to see them pull off live the incredible musicianship they recorded in the studio. No offense, but that's no great feat for KISS, but it's quite impressive for bands like DT.
I'm definitely there to rock out, but I'm also there to notice and appreciate. No way I'm getting sloshed before a DT show.
Well, I don't get sloshed before any show at this point, but we're saying the same thing, in a way. It's somewhere in between. I can - and did, this last tour - appreciate the musicianship while standing and shaking my fist in time with the music.
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It is funny though, if you want audience noise during a live show, the audience has to make noise. Dream Theater audiences are some of the dullest I have seen.
Yeah, why is that, I wonder? Sometimes it seems like a funeral is about to break out.
It definitely got worse since the change to seating. I saw them with Portnoy in 2007 when it was all standing and the atmosphere was great. Since Mangini they've been all seated, I think, with exception to 2012
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The folks who enjoy their seats are getting a bad rap here, so I'll chime in. I'm a card carrying prog snob. Always have been, always will be. (I have my guilty pleasures like Billy Joel and Robin Trower, but 90% of my collection is prog.) I have found in most instances that to get the most out of this genre, being an active listener is key, and I hear much better with my ass in a seat in a relaxed state. I want to take in the whole experience, and remember it. That's how I like to enjoy music, live or otherwise. When the moment calls for it, I'll yell, clap, sing badly, even break out a few dozen air drumming licks during the course of the evening, but I do so seated, and confident in the fact that I am conveying the necessary energy to push the band forward.
I was at the Count Basie show mentioned earlier in this thread, and I was in the 'senior section' (first few rows of the balcony) watching those folks standing in the front of the venue and rocking out. (Some of them were almost as entertaining as the band.) I respect that many folks enjoy shows in this fashion, but its never been that way for me. This show and others like got me to thinking, that they should have assigned seating for older folks like me (who have also had both knees replaced) to sit and enjoy a live music event without the inevitable 'discussion' that I've had to engage in over the years with the person in front of me regarding my not paying to see his/her rump all night. For more than half of the 25 DT shows I've attended over the years, the balcony seating has proven to be a nice solution to this issue. I would just like it it officially designated as an AIS (Ass In Seat) only area. For the 'standers and shakers', the orchestra seats are all yours.
Just my two cents. (Oh, and I loved the 'no standing' policy for the TA tour BTW! Loved it so much, I went twice.)
DanLore
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never mind.
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Actually, the older I get the more I appreciate sitting or at least having the option to sit. When I was in my teens or early 20s I didn't care either way but I was also seeing different types of bands. Now I'd prefer to sit and relax (and stroke myself with a beer) for 90% of the show. The idea of standing shoulder to shoulder with a bunch of dudes with long hair and metal t-shirts and getting bumped every 2 seconds is utterly unappealing.
I do end up standing a little bit at most shows-- sometimes only because the guy in front of me stood up-- and that's fine, but after an hour your body starts to tap you on the shoulder and tell you this is uncomfortable.
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Actually, the older I get the more I appreciate sitting or at least having the option to sit. When I was in my teens or early 20s I didn't care either way but I was also seeing different types of bands. Now I'd prefer to sit and relax (and stroke myself with a beer) for 90% of the show. The idea of standing shoulder to shoulder with a bunch of dudes with long hair and metal t-shirts and getting bumped every 2 seconds is utterly unappealing.
I do end up standing a little bit at most shows-- sometimes only because the guy in front of me stood up-- and that's fine, but after an hour your body starts to tap you on the shoulder and tell you this is uncomfortable.
I'm old :sad:. But I hate sitting for a rock concert. Maybe if I don't like the band, but not one I love and know all the songs to. I wish DT would leave the GA area open in the theaters where you can choose. I can't mosh, but it's fun being next to a mosh pit!
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Actually, the older I get the more I appreciate sitting or at least having the option to sit. When I was in my teens or early 20s I didn't care either way but I was also seeing different types of bands. Now I'd prefer to sit and relax (and stroke myself with a beer) for 90% of the show. The idea of standing shoulder to shoulder with a bunch of dudes with long hair and metal t-shirts and getting bumped every 2 seconds is utterly unappealing.
I do end up standing a little bit at most shows-- sometimes only because the guy in front of me stood up-- and that's fine, but after an hour your body starts to tap you on the shoulder and tell you this is uncomfortable.
I'm old :sad:. But I hate sitting for a rock concert. Maybe if I don't like the band, but not one I love and know all the songs to. I wish DT would leave the GA area open in the theaters where you can choose. I can't mosh, but it's fun being next to a mosh pit!
I'm with you, geeeemo. There are times when I like to sit. But for a rock show, I like there to be a specific standing area where you know people are standing and there is no option. It just brings so much more energy. Venues that are nonseated floor in front of the stage with a raised seating area at the back or sides, and/or balcony are my favorite. Then everyone can get what they want and nobody has hard feelings about it. Maybe I just need to get over that it's a me thing, but I just feel like sitting down for the entire show and politely clapping between songs sucks the energy out of the show and does a disservice to the band.
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Actually, the older I get the more I appreciate sitting or at least having the option to sit. When I was in my teens or early 20s I didn't care either way but I was also seeing different types of bands. Now I'd prefer to sit and relax (and stroke myself with a beer) for 90% of the show. The idea of standing shoulder to shoulder with a bunch of dudes with long hair and metal t-shirts and getting bumped every 2 seconds is utterly unappealing.
I do end up standing a little bit at most shows-- sometimes only because the guy in front of me stood up-- and that's fine, but after an hour your body starts to tap you on the shoulder and tell you this is uncomfortable.
I'm old :sad:. But I hate sitting for a rock concert. Maybe if I don't like the band, but not one I love and know all the songs to. I wish DT would leave the GA area open in the theaters where you can choose. I can't mosh, but it's fun being next to a mosh pit!
I'm with you, geeeemo. There are times when I like to sit. But for a rock show, I like there to be a specific standing area where you know people are standing and there is no option. It just brings so much more energy. Venues that are nonseated floor in front of the stage with a raised seating area at the back or sides, and/or balcony are my favorite. Then everyone can get what they want and nobody has hard feelings about it. Maybe I just need to get over that it's a me thing, but I just feel like sitting down for the entire show and politely clapping between songs sucks the energy out of the show and does a disservice to the band.
Yes I agree about the disservice to the band. If I were in a rock band, I would enjoy it more (I think) if the crowd was rockin' and loud and energetic. I have always felt like I want to give back to them the energy they give to us. :metal
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I would never stroke myself at a concert.
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I would never stroke myself at a concert.
Is that why you don't go to concerts? ;D
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I red a lot ‘bout the croud in Europe, but it’s not ‘Continent-wise’ per se. I’ve been to concerts where there was a constant fighting in the pogo-pit, either if it was at a hiphop concert or metal. And sometimes I think if you ask those hurricane’s how the concert went, I guess they didn’t have the slightest clue. Maybe even didn’t remember where they went to.
I can understand that me being on a live-registration isn’t that nice to look, but I’ll enjoy Dream Theater more than anything I’ve been to in my pre-prog life. I’ve been to Dream Theater four times and next month will be my fifth. But the only thing you see bouncing on me is my head, on one of those awesome riffs. You’ll hear me sing, but nearly with a sound, because tears are tickeling in my eyes. That’s what Dream Theater does to me, it moves me and give thrills I’ll carry around for days.
Wanted to say, not moving or going mid-evil, doesn’t mean dull or uninterested per se.
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How about live album PLUS Blu-Ray/DVD?
YES, PLEASE!!!
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How about live album PLUS Blu-Ray/DVD?
YES, PLEASE!!!
Every tour should have a blu-ray/dvd. We won't have them live forever and need to be able to see all era's!
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How about live album PLUS Blu-Ray/DVD?
YES, PLEASE!!!
Every tour should have a blu-ray/dvd. We won't have them live forever and need to be able to see all era's!
I agree. I think we need to have these awesome new songs available to watch. When you're at the top of your game, you should have a record of it.
Ultimately it's a game of sales, so I hope attendance comes up and the band determines that there is enough demand for a Blu Ray!
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Considering the change of setlist, would be cool if they did release something that included all the songs played. Sadly, that likely means they would have needed to record something from the last leg.
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Maybe they could do a two night show and play one of the two setlists each night, and then splice them together for a Blu-ray?
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Maybe they could do a two night show and play one of the two setlists each night, and then splice them together for a Blu-ray?
Like they did in London and in Luna Park, I believe.