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Previous season thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56826.0
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2022 draft begins at 7pm Eastern, and your draft order for tonight is:
Round 1
1. Montreal Canadiens
2. New Jersey Devils
3. Arizona Coyotes
4. Seattle Kraken
5. Philadelphia Flyers
6. Columbus Blue Jackets (from CHI)
7. Ottawa Senators
8. Detroit Red Wings
9. Buffalo Sabres
10. Anaheim Ducks
11. San Jose Sharks
12. Columbus Blue Jackets
13. New York Islanders
14. Winnipeg Jets
15. Vancouver Canucks
16. Buffalo Sabres (from VGK)
17. Nashville Predators
18. Dallas Stars
19. Minnesota Wild (from LA)
20. Washington Capitals
21. Pittsburgh Penguins
22. Anaheim Ducks (from BOS)
23. St. Louis Blues
24. Minnesota Wild
25. Toronto Maple Leafs
26. Montreal Canadiens (from CGY)
27. Arizona Coyotes (from CAR via MTL)
28. Buffalo Sabres (from FLA)
29. Edmonton Oilers
30. Winnipeg Jets (from NYR)
31. Tampa Bay Lightning
32. Arizona Coyotes (from COL)
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Lots of rumors circulating that Tarasenko and Krug are being shopped around. Both have full no trade clauses so would need to approve any trade. The writer for the Athletic who I personally know has told me in the past that when he says 'sources close to Tarasenko' in his reporting that it's literally Tarasenko himself....and that....Tarasenko still wants to be traded despite having a great season last season
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Lots of rumors circulating that Tarasenko and Krug are being shopped around. Both have full no trade clauses so would need to approve any trade. The writer for the Athletic who I personally know has told me in the past that when he says 'sources close to Tarasenko' in his reporting that it's literally Tarasenko himself....and that....Tarasenko still wants to be traded despite having a great season last season
I think at this point, Tarasenko has decent value again because of his season, so if he's unhappy and the Blues find the right deal I could certainly see that happening. Do you think the Blues retain Husso going into next season?
And on an unrelated note, did King lose a bet here that I'm unaware of?
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Lots of rumors circulating that Tarasenko and Krug are being shopped around. Both have full no trade clauses so would need to approve any trade. The writer for the Athletic who I personally know has told me in the past that when he says 'sources close to Tarasenko' in his reporting that it's literally Tarasenko himself....and that....Tarasenko still wants to be traded despite having a great season last season
I think at this point, Tarasenko has decent value again because of his season, so if he's unhappy and the Blues find the right deal I could certainly see that happening. Do you think the Blues retain Husso going into next season?
And on an unrelated note, did King lose a bet here that I'm unaware of?
Husso has expressed his desire to return to the Blues.....problem is....he's probably going to want $4+ mil a year. I have a feeling he will get more from one of these teams desperate for a goalie like Toronto or even the Oilers. If they shed Tarasenko's $7.5 and/or Krug's $5.5....then maybe they could resign him. But Perron is up as well and he wants to stay....which is going to cost $4+ a year also.
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All right, got a trade.
Rangers traded Georgiev to the Avs for a 3rd and a 5th in this year's draft and a 3rd in next year's draft. The Avs has no picks until round 6 and 7 at this point this year. I guess they filled the hole in getting a goalie on the cheap than what they would have paid Kuemper?
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I figured the Avs, in their prime, would have wanted to settle in for a solid #1 goaltender, but it looks like they will roll the dice with a young 1A/1B pair under the assumption one of them will prove themselves in prime time.
More interesting move for me today was the Penguins. I'm absolutely stunned that on an over 35 contract they gave Letang over 6 million a year for 6 years.
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I'm absolutely stunned that on an over 35 contract they gave Letang over 6 million a year for 6 years.
Yeah....that one is an odd one. Dude is still playing at a high level but you'd think that's not going to last given his age....especially for another 6 years!
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The trades keep on rolling.
The Senators now got Alex DeBrincat from Chicago and paid a 1st round pick this year (at #7), a 2nd pick this year (at #39) and a 3rd round pick in next year's draft. I would think Chicago would have gotten a drafted prospect in this kind of return. They need to draft well to make this trade work for their future.
Edit: On another note, I'm enjoying this draft day and the draft hasn't even started yet. I feel relaxed since the Kings don't have a 1st round pick after trading for Fiala. I don't have to sweat it if they get the immediate wrong guy in the 1st round and whatnot.
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The trades keep on rolling.
The Senators now got Alex DeBrincat from Chicago and paid a 1st round pick this year (at #7), a 2nd pick this year (at #39) and a 3rd round pick in next year's draft. I would think Chicago would have gotten a drafted prospect in this kind of return. They need to draft well to make this trade work for their future.
That’s not a trade. Chicago gave him away. Jeez.
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Interesting. I still don't think Giroux "comes home" in free agency, but this type of move makes it at least slightly more plausible he could sign there.
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Shane Wright looked CRUSHED! and again and AGAIN!
Enjoy New Jersey!
Er...make that Phoenix!
How about Seattle? :lol
He does not look happy about being picked by the Kraken.
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Lots of rumors circulating that Tarasenko and Krug are being shopped around. Both have full no trade clauses so would need to approve any trade. The writer for the Athletic who I personally know has told me in the past that when he says 'sources close to Tarasenko' in his reporting that it's literally Tarasenko himself....and that....Tarasenko still wants to be traded despite having a great season last season
I read that Carolina and Tarasenko have mutual interest, and he'd have to okay any trade due to the NTC, so I am okay with moving him rather than seeing him leave next summer and getting nothing in return. It'll be a sad moment when his departure is announced, as he has been the best Blue of the last decade, arguably their best 10-year run ever, but all things come to an end. His place in Blues history is secure. :coolio
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Shane Wright looked CRUSHED! and again and AGAIN!
Enjoy New Jersey!
Er...make that Phoenix!
How about Seattle? :lol
He does not look happy about being picked by the Kraken.
I mean Arizona does not look like a good landing spot anyway for the next few years. Seattle should be fine for him. He and Beniers could rip the Pacific division apart within a few years.
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Emily Kaplan 1
Steve Yzerman 0
:lol
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Lots of rumors circulating that Tarasenko and Krug are being shopped around. Both have full no trade clauses so would need to approve any trade. The writer for the Athletic who I personally know has told me in the past that when he says 'sources close to Tarasenko' in his reporting that it's literally Tarasenko himself....and that....Tarasenko still wants to be traded despite having a great season last season
I read that Carolina and Tarasenko have mutual interest, and he'd have to okay any trade due to the NTC, so I am okay with moving him rather than seeing him leave next summer and getting nothing in return. It'll be a sad moment when his departure is announced, as he has been the best Blue of the last decade, arguably their best 10-year run ever, but all things come to an end. His place in Blues history is secure. :coolio
Agreed. Absolutely LOVED watching him play….but…..he’s not going to re-sign and I’d prefer to get something in return for him. He’s always going to be one hit away from a 4th shoulder surgery….so, I think it’d be a win win
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So the Chicago Blackhawks started today with no 1st round picks and ended up with 3 1st. At the cost of Debrincat, Dach, and taking in Petr Mrázek's contract with two years left. I think they want the best odds for #1 next year.
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So... yes, King lost a music Roulette bet with me.
2nd, I don't know that Toronto is "desperate" for a goalie (I mean, technically they are with Campbell a UFA atm). But with Mrazek's (or Mzarek as Bettmen pronounced it :lol) salary shed, I hope the Leafs go hard at re-signing Campbell. I think low $4s for 4 years is the right spot - Anderson signed $4.5x2 last year (at 31 years old), and I don't think Campbell is as steady/durable/reliable as Anderson right now. If they can't get him at the price they want, they've at least got the cap space to take a run at Husso or Kuemper - who clearly isn't re-signing with Colorado now that they have Georgiev (ie, they're banking on Francouz as the starter, or at least a fairly even tandem rotation). Edmonton is in just as dire need, perhaps moreso. Koskinen has proven he isn't a Top 20 #1 goalie, and Smith is beginning to age-out.
3rd - clearly Chicago is aiming for the Connor Berard sweepstakes. I gather they'll buyout Toews and take a big cap hit next year, and maybe they can move Kane (perhaps retaining part of his salary).
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Also... Edm shed $3.2M by moving Kassian to the Coyotes.
Arizona really is going to be the land of misfit toys.
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The Blues just traded Ville Husso to the Detroit Red Wings for the Wings' third round pick in the draft. Interesting deal.
https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2022/7/8/23200081/red-wings-acquire-goaltender-ville-husso-from-blues-for-3rd-round-pick-2022-nhl-draft
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The Blues just traded Ville Husso to the Detroit Red Wings for the Wings' third round pick in the draft. Interesting deal.
https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2022/7/8/23200081/red-wings-acquire-goaltender-ville-husso-from-blues-for-3rd-round-pick-2022-nhl-draft
Yeah....I guess when you know you don't have the $$$ or any real plans to re-sign him might as well get a pick for him? Then Husso was signed by the Wings to a three year deal....$4.75 mil a year. Nice raise and contract for him.
Year 1 - $3.75 mil ($1 mil signing bonus)
Year 2 - $4.75 mil
Year 3 - $4.75 mil
Includes 10 team no trade clause for all three years.
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Interesting choice for sure. At three years and with plenty of cap space during a rebuild it's not the end of the world for Detroit if he doesn't pan out. That said, if he excels and really lives up to his best moments then you have a guy who can help really accelerate the process.
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Well, Nick you may have pulled out at the right time.
https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1545422766723276800
Tony DeAngelo is going to Philly for picks. 3rd and 4th and I think the 2024 2nd.
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Interesting choice for sure. At three years and with plenty of cap space during a rebuild it's not the end of the world for Detroit if he doesn't pan out. That said, if he excels and really lives up to his best moments then you have a guy who can help really accelerate the process.
I don't know what it'd look like for him to be 'the man' getting the bulk of the starts but there was a glimpse this past season when he stole the #1 spot from Binnington.....but I do know that his strengths are positioning and he just doesn't get rattled. Remember, he was the next in line behind Jake Allen back in 2019 but he was hurt and so was the next guy in the system depth chart ....so Binnington got a chance and went on that crazy run sparking the turn around and subsequent Cup run. Husso is a really good goalie and I honestly think if anything he's a perfect tandem goaltender
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Well, Nick you may have pulled out at the right time.
https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1545422766723276800
Tony DeAngelo is going to Philly for picks. 3rd and 4th and I think the 2024 2nd.
I mean, strong arguments could be made I was about 10 years too late.
But yeah, imma have fun watching reactions to this.
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Looking like 2x5m for DeAngelo.
Prime Philly right here, using what very limited cap space they have on signing a questionably effective defenseman who they traded away the future for.
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Nick, where do you stand on Nolan Patrick?
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Looking like 2x5m for DeAngelo.
Prime Philly right here, using what very limited cap space they have on signing a questionably effective defenseman who they traded away the future for.
He did a pretty good job in Carolna... I guess the question is whether that was more a result of the team/system/coach, or the player?
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The hits just keep on coming to Chicago. Duncan Keith has now decided to retire with one year left on his really long contract, so the Blackhawks now have a recapture penalty since they were the ones that signed the deal and benefited the most out of it. They probably need to maintain being above the cap floor now, especially if Toews or Kane is going to get traded (who also has one year left on their big contracts).
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The hits just keep on coming to Chicago. Duncan Keith has now decided to retire with one year left on his really long contract, so the Blackhawks now have a recapture penalty since they were the ones that signed the deal and benefited the most out of it. They probably need to maintain being above the cap floor now, especially if Toews or Kane is going to get traded (who also has one year left on their big contracts).
Awww....that's so sad to hear.....poor franchise
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I'm personally cackling inside as well. The Kings are almost closing in on getting out of their hell, while the Blackhawks just keeps digging deeper and deeper in it.
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The hits just keep on coming to Chicago. Duncan Keith has now decided to retire with one year left on his really long contract, so the Blackhawks now have a recapture penalty since they were the ones that signed the deal and benefited the most out of it. They probably need to maintain being above the cap floor now, especially if Toews or Kane is going to get traded (who also has one year left on their big contracts).
Awww....that's so sad to hear.....poor franchise
Right? Such a model of integrity!
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The hits just keep on coming to Chicago. Duncan Keith has now decided to retire with one year left on his really long contract, so the Blackhawks now have a recapture penalty since they were the ones that signed the deal and benefited the most out of it. They probably need to maintain being above the cap floor now, especially if Toews or Kane is going to get traded (who also has one year left on their big contracts).
The only way a team takes Toews is if it's a 2-step trade, and they only need to take on 25% of his AAV. He's barely a $2.5M AAV value. More likely is a buyout, and take the cap hit pain. Kane... Some team might take him at some level of reduced salary. Maybe as much as 70%-80%??
But yeah... I don't feel bad for the franchise whatsoever. Karma, bitches. It would suck to be a fan of them, for sure.
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The hits just keep on coming to Chicago. Duncan Keith has now decided to retire with one year left on his really long contract, so the Blackhawks now have a recapture penalty since they were the ones that signed the deal and benefited the most out of it. They probably need to maintain being above the cap floor now, especially if Toews or Kane is going to get traded (who also has one year left on their big contracts).
Awww....that's so sad to hear.....poor franchise
Where's the like button when you need it?!
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Nick, where do you stand on Nolan Patrick?
I mean, he'll certainly never live up to his #2 selection. Even prior to a rash of injury issues he was not progressing as the Flyers would have liked, and then came all the injury issues. At this point if he becomes a good 3rd line center I think that would be considered a success.
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Apparently The Leafs are front running to trade for Matt Murray. To eat that salary, they’ll have to give up a decent sized salary, and Jake Muzzin would likely maybe the logical deal - I get the sense that the Sens could use that kind of defenceman.
Though I must say,a tandem of Murray and Campbell would be quite appealing.
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So it's official. Matt Murray (along with a few inconsequential picks) is going to the Leafs for future considerations. Senators retain 25% of the cap hit for two years. I'm sure people will be coming after Kyle Dubas with pitchfork and torches with this trade being done.
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What kind of money can I make on $100 if I place a bet now that the Leafs make it to the 2nd round and Matt Murray starts all games in the first round? Not that I'd do it, but given Leafs fans reactions I think the odds have to make that kind of bet worth it. :lol
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So it's official. Matt Murray (along with a few inconsequential picks) is going to the Leafs for future considerations. Senators retain 25% of the cap hit for two years. I'm sure people will be coming after Kyle Dubas with pitchfork and torches with this trade being done.
I'm not sure how they eat that cap space. And I'm still unsure that Murray can be the guy that carries the #1 goalie spot. Also, shockingly...Murray was a Sault Greyhound in the Jrs (where Dubas was GM). If this isn't part of a bigger plan, and they're walking away from Campbell, I'm going to be disappointed.
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Flyers today bought out the final year of Oskar Lindblom's contract. That gives them a 3m+ cap savings this year, and in a vacuum based on hockey performance it's hard to disagree with the move. That said when you bring in a questionable character like DeAngelo while shipping out a league wide feel good story like Lindblom it's tough to see.
Now is where things get interesting for them going into free agency. In order to sign Johnny Gaudreau, who has had rumored links to Philly his whole career they have one of three options per most sources. Shell out even more draft assets to send James Van Riemsdyk to Arizona, Anaheim, etc, or find a trade partner for Provorov or Konecny. All of this is predicated on their belief that this "aggressive retool" will put them in contention this year. And since that stance is laughable, I will laugh my ass off if any of those things happen.
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So Detroit takes Lalonde from Tampa, Tampa takes longtime Red Wings coach Blashill as an assistant. The next logical step is for Ondrej Palat to come to Detroit I think.
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Ottawa has been making some noise in the last few days. At first, before the draft day, I didn't think their roster have quite enough to convince Claude Giroux to take a chance on them. As of right now, they are getting closer. We'll see how they fare on FA day tomorrow. For the teams at the bottom with a lot of space, they need their version of a Phillip Danault-like signing to change their luck around. Maybe the Senators gets theirs.
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I’m not sure they’re in the playoff hunt this year, but it’s not entire unforeseeable that they could supplant Boston, given the latter’s injury issues.
Campbell rumoured to be going to The Oil; Johnny hockey to the Isles? Finally they’d have a marquee name.
Jingle.son predicts Mallon to The Caps.
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Malkin to the Capitals would be interesting. Apparently, negotiations really soured in the end between him and the Pens. Signing with their biggest rival would be quite a spite move and it would be such an intrigue to see him and Ovi on the same team.
Edit: All right, I don't know what happened anymore. Malkin just signed with the Pens at the very last min. Just right now.
https://www.nhl.com/penguins/news/penguins-agree-to-terms-with-forward-evgeni-malkin-to-a-four-year-contract-extension/c-334951704?partnerId=pit-twt-penguins
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As much as i despise the human being, i very much like the Kane signing. 4 years at $5.25M is a fantastic looking contract for the Oil
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Seems like Campbell to the Oil, and Giroux to the Sens are pretty much locked in.
Oilers are gonna be a force in the West, especially if they can find someone to take the minutes that Keith had.
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Seems like Campbell to the Oil, and Giroux to the Sens are pretty much locked in.
Oilers are gonna be a force in the West, especially if they can find someone to take the minutes that Keith had.
Defense will be questionable again next season. Especially if Nurse doesn't bounce back. He was not great last year
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Yeah, full credit to the Sens for making the offseason moves needed to attract people. I think given what they've done if they get Giroux and another decent signing they can really take a big step forward this year.
A guy I feel bad for in the past few months is Cam Talbot. Dude played well for Minnesota only to have them trade for Fleury when there were plenty of others (*cough* Oilers) who would have been a far more logical destination. Then the team resigns Fleury and ships him off.
It got dramatic, but no surprise that Malkin ended up staying with the Penguins.
For the Oilers, the question will remain on the defensive side of things. They will be a force for sure, but unless they improve there they won't get to the cup.
Now for Detroit heading into today, as I mentioned I think as far as logical options Palat is target #1. I would love them to give Lindblom a depth signing as well. But in all cases I doubt they will get too aggressive or crazy with any deals handed out at this point in their rebuild, so it's entirely possible that little if anything happens for them.
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Seems like Campbell to the Oil, and Giroux to the Sens are pretty much locked in.
Oilers are gonna be a force in the West, especially if they can find someone to take the minutes that Keith had.
Defense will be questionable again next season. Especially if Nurse doesn't bounce back. He was not great last year
They're gonna try the Leaf strategy from a couple years back... win games 6-5, or 7-4. Ya just need to outscore your mistakes. :D
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Looks like the Blues are about to announce they've locked Robert Thomas down to an 8 year, $64 million contract. That's a good thing.....that kid is good.
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That's a cheap price for Giroux.
Samsonov looks like a good backup, and a good price at $1.8M
$5M x 5 for Campbell is a bit steep (imo). He hasn't yet displayed consistency or in-season durability / longevity. Could be a bit of risk - or it could be a grand slam. Sad to see him not in a Leaf uni.
Trochek to the Rangers
Unofficial
Copp to the Wings (edit ... official now)
Kuemper to the Caps
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How on earth do the Bolts sign Sergachev to 8x8.5m with that roster, yet the Bruins have only 2.5m in cap space heading into today with NO Top 2 centers.
And Sweeney trades Erik Haula, who was pretty good last year, for Pavel Zacha? Like Sweeney doesn't have enough 2015 First Round stiffs of his own?
How this guy not only kept his job, but received an extension is beyond me. I loved him as a player, but I'm really starting to detest him as a GM.
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Wasn't McDonagh carrying close to $7M in AAV? Plus Palat's salary gets freed up.
I just looked up ... Sergachev is an extension, so that $8.5M doesn't kick in until NEXT year. He's still only a $4.8M cap hit for this season. They basically just told Ian Cole (or Alex Kilorn) and his $3M (or $4.4M) salary for this year (they're both UFAs next year), "we're not re-signing you next season and giving your salary to Sergachev".
But man... that's now six players in the 8.5ish AAV range (along with Point, Kuch, Stammer, Hedman, Vasi). $55mish tied up in 6 players. $30Mish for the other 17 players. Wow. And I thought the Leafs 'core four' made the team top heavy!
Edit... tack on Cirelli at $6.25AAV! (for 8 years). That team has a "Magnificent 7". Though, Stammer only has 2 years left on his contract.
But, 2024 is the year that escrow is supposedly all paid up, and the cap will be going up a crap-ton. Lots of contracts are lined up to end that summer.
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Wasn't McDonagh carrying close to $7M in AAV? Plus Palat's salary gets freed up.
I just looked up ... Sergachev is an extension, so that $8.5M doesn't kick in until NEXT year. He's still only a $4.8M cap hit for this season. They basically just told Ian Cole (or Alex Kilorn) and his $3M (or $4.4M) salary for this year (they're both UFAs next year), "we're not re-signing you next season and giving your salary to Sergachev".
But man... that's now six players in the 8.5ish AAV range (along with Point, Kuch, Stammer, Hedman, Vasi). $55mish tied up in 6 players. $30Mish for the other 17 players. Wow. And I thought the Leafs 'core four' made the team top heavy!
Edit... tack on Cirelli at $6.25AAV! (for 8 years). That team has a "Magnificent 7". Though, Stammer only has 2 years left on his contract.
But, 2024 is the year that escrow is supposedly all paid up, and the cap will be going up a crap-ton. Lots of contracts are lined up to end that summer.
Good info there Chad. Just goes to show what a real GM with a plan and knows WTF he is doing looks like.
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I'm getting a little concerned about the Kings roster. I think they got too many bodies signed and two key defensemen RFAs (Sean Durzi and Mikey Anderson) that they need to lock up. Cap space is down to like $3M now. Could be vulnerable to offer sheets now.
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Looks like the Blues are about to announce they've locked Robert Thomas down to an 8 year, $64 million contract. That's a good thing.....that kid is good.
Blues sign Leddy to 4yr, $16mil deal as well.
I really like both of these signings. Leddy isn't flashy but the instance he came over the Blues defense was able to get set as far as pairings and they really clamped down.
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Kuemper 5 x $5.25M to the Caps
Marchment 4x$4.5M to the Stars
Lehkonen stays with the Avs - 5 x $4.5M
Nick... Lindblom to the Sharks. Oof.
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Love the Thomas and Leddy signings, but I am gonna be bummed if we lose Perron, which looks likely. That ripple effect of Parayko's contract could handicap the team's ability to make moves to get over the top again.
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Man, far more aggressive offseason for Detroit than I expected.
Husso traded for and signed previously.
Today already we got
-Copp
-Maatta
-Chiarot
And rumored we'll soon be added Perron as well.
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I saw that on Twitter about Perron and the Wings. If that happens, I might very well throw up.
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So you've chosen Detroit, Nick? Welcome aboard, happy to have you. Yzerman seems to have a real plan in place that he has been developing, so it should hopefully be a fun ride. I'll admit I haven't been following nearly as closely as I used to for some years, but this flurry of activity is exciting to watch. And the Perron deal is reportedly done, according to mlive.com, however reputable that might be. How long it takes to contend remains to be seen, but I'm glad it's Steve at the helm and not Holland as it used to be.
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Forgot to mention in my Tampa post, that they are currently $6.4M above the cap
Fuck the Atlantic is gonna be tight. Detroit and Ottawa have made some significant moves/gains. Boston's gonna be in for a fight. Maybe Florida too, because I really think they were punching above their weight class - plus, you never know which Bobs is gonna show up for a full season.
BURAKOVSKY to the Kraken - 5 x $5.5M
And Shane Wright signed his ELC
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Love the Thomas and Leddy signings, but I am gonna be bummed if we lose Perron, which looks likely. That ripple effect of Parayko's contract could handicap the team's ability to make moves to get over the top again.
I get that sentiment because he's a good 'team' guy and had a pretty good season last year....BUT....he's a 34 year old player with an extensive concussion history.....and missed 20+ games last season with concussion symptoms again. He was wanting $4+ mil for 2-3 years....just a lot of cash for an aging, concussion prone player. We have Kyrou now to sign after this season AND O'Reily is up as well after this season. I'm on Armstrong's side here by not making the full effort to get him back.
And the Paryako deal is a bargain for him. Very good defender who can move the puck well....his play the last half of the season (especially after Leddy came over) was really good. Once you stop asking him to do things he simply can't and just get back to his game....that deal looks like the bargain it is.
The handicapping contracts will start to come to fruition here in two or three years when the aging Schenn, Faulk and Krug's on the team start on the back nine of their careers. Those are the ones that hurt.
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So you've chosen Detroit, Nick? Welcome aboard, happy to have you.
Indeed. And honestly, given the happenings in the time between leaving the Flyers and now, it's looking like it might not be a temporary switch.
It's so refreshing to have confidence in the process and people in charge as opposed to hoping against all odds that the team succeeds in spite of them.
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Interestingly, four teams are above the cap (Bolts, Canucks, Knights, and Panthers). Four teams are below the floor - Devils, Coyotes, Flames, and Ducks. The latter is $14M below the minimum :omg:
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So you've chosen Detroit, Nick? Welcome aboard, happy to have you.
Indeed. And honestly, given the happenings in the time between leaving the Flyers and now, it's looking like it might not be a temporary switch.
It's so refreshing to have confidence in the process and people in charge as opposed to hoping against all odds that the team succeeds in spite of them.
Welcome! Today's signings have been interesting, the debate online has been fun to watch. I don't know if any of these guys will push Detroit over the edge, but they are good culture pieces and should help shore up the defensive zone too.
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I saw that on Twitter about Perron and the Wings. If that happens, I might very well throw up.
Don't worry, the Wings will likely send him back to St. Louis at a trade deadline in the future for a 1st or a 2nd round draft pick.
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I saw that on Twitter about Perron and the Wings. If that happens, I might very well throw up.
Don't worry, the Wings will likely send him back to St. Louis at a trade deadline in the future for a 1st or a 2nd round draft pick.
:lol Funny enough.....this is the first contract he's signed from any other team than the Blues. 2 years @ $4.75 mil.....I don't know why the Blue's couldn't go there for that to keep a guy who was a big part of the locker room culture but as I mentioned in my earlier post.....I get it.....we have other players to focus on locking in.
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So for the Flyers to contend for a cup this is all that needs to happen:
-The entire management needs to realize playing a "Flyers brand of hockey" is meaningless in 2022.
-Comcast has to realize Fletcher has sold the future at a chance at being semi-competitive for a year or two to keep his job.
-Chuck Fletcher needs to be fired.
-Comcast has to bring in a GM who will give them an honest outlook of the club and what needs to be fixed, and they need to accept that person and what they are being told.
-Then the club needs to initiate and complete the long overdue rebuild.
So we're looking at 10 years minimum for them, I think. At least 10 years until the Flyers even make a finals appearance.
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So Gaudreau, the biggest UFA going to free agency, is going to Columbus??? At $9.5M x 7?
As I said before, some teams need to take a chance at one great FA signing to turn their luck around. Columbus have shot their bullet it seems.
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Seems odd to go to CBJ when the Isles were an option.
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^^ Maybe he just didn't want to talk to Lou Lamoriello or teams that used to be GM'ed by Lou.
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Definitely did not see Gaudreau turning away money (over 1m per year) to head to... Columbus, a city that has notoriously had a hard time attracting free agents.
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Definitely did not see Gaudreau turning away money (over 1m per year) to head to... Columbus, a city that has notoriously had a hard time attracting free agents.
Probably for the same reason the Flyers will have trouble attracting free agents for the next couple of years. :lol
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Definitely did not see Gaudreau turning away money (over 1m per year) to head to... Columbus, a city that has notoriously had a hard time attracting free agents.
Hockey players are getting smart about where they’re contracts are based out of. Canadian teams/contracts are taxed pretty highly. I’d be curious to find out what Ohio’s state tax rate is? He actually may be making more there.
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Love the Thomas and Leddy signings, but I am gonna be bummed if we lose Perron, which looks likely. That ripple effect of Parayko's contract could handicap the team's ability to make moves to get over the top again.
I get that sentiment because he's a good 'team' guy and had a pretty good season last year....BUT....he's a 34 year old player with an extensive concussion history.....and missed 20+ games last season with concussion symptoms again. He was wanting $4+ mil for 2-3 years....just a lot of cash for an aging, concussion prone player. We have Kyrou now to sign after this season AND O'Reily is up as well after this season. I'm on Armstrong's side here by not making the full effort to get him back.
And the Paryako deal is a bargain for him. Very good defender who can move the puck well....his play the last half of the season (especially after Leddy came over) was really good. Once you stop asking him to do things he simply can't and just get back to his game....that deal looks like the bargain it is.
The handicapping contracts will start to come to fruition here in two or three years when the aging Schenn, Faulk and Krug's on the team start on the back nine of their careers. Those are the ones that hurt.
I hear everything you are saying, and it all makes sense. It's just gross seeing Perron go to the dreaded Red Wings.
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Love the Thomas and Leddy signings, but I am gonna be bummed if we lose Perron, which looks likely. That ripple effect of Parayko's contract could handicap the team's ability to make moves to get over the top again.
I get that sentiment because he's a good 'team' guy and had a pretty good season last year....BUT....he's a 34 year old player with an extensive concussion history.....and missed 20+ games last season with concussion symptoms again. He was wanting $4+ mil for 2-3 years....just a lot of cash for an aging, concussion prone player. We have Kyrou now to sign after this season AND O'Reily is up as well after this season. I'm on Armstrong's side here by not making the full effort to get him back.
And the Paryako deal is a bargain for him. Very good defender who can move the puck well....his play the last half of the season (especially after Leddy came over) was really good. Once you stop asking him to do things he simply can't and just get back to his game....that deal looks like the bargain it is.
The handicapping contracts will start to come to fruition here in two or three years when the aging Schenn, Faulk and Krug's on the team start on the back nine of their careers. Those are the ones that hurt.
I hear everything you are saying, and it all makes sense. It's just gross seeing Perron go to the dreaded Red Wings.
The Red Wings have so many former Blues players on the roster you could root for them now!
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The Red Wings have so many former Blues players on the roster you could root for them now!
That's about as likely as me becoming a fan of Kiss.
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The Red Wings have so many former Blues players on the roster you could root for them now!
That's about as likely as me becoming a fan of Kiss.
I just heard Eric Bloom and Buck Darma have just joined Kiss.
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The Red Wings have so many former Blues players on the roster you could root for them now!
That's about as likely as me becoming a fan of Kiss.
I just heard Eric Bloom and Buck Darma have just joined Kiss.
What a shame that senility has infected two musicians from an actual great band. Sad news.
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You could always fill the hole left by departing Blues players by signing Kadri Kev. :D
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You could always fill the whole left by departing Blues players by signing Kadri Kev. :D
Now that would be hilarious if that happened. I can’t imagine that Armstrong would do that…there’s just no way.
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You could always fill the whole left by departing Blues players by signing Kadri Kev. :D
Now that would be hilarious if that happened. I can’t imagine that Armstrong would do that…there’s just no way.
I will sig this all season if it happens. :rollin :rollin
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Can someone explain to my what exactly the Ducks are doing? It's a couple days past free agency now and they are 9+ million UNDER the cap.
If you have a team that wants to rebuild or not spend, fine, but at this point they have lost a LOT of leverage in trading for teams that wanted to dump salary. Their return at this point won't be nearly as good. It's an organization I honestly know very little about, but I can't help but want their GM to be fired at this point.
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I gather they'll be open to take some LTIR contracts (ie, permanent injury/retirement), and or ones that may be lower on the salary than the AAV. Problem is, a lot of those contracts with big $$$$ as an AAV will also have NMCs (eg: Toews). Maybe they throw something at LVK now for Weber's contract - since I don't think LVK needs the relief anymore after unloading Pacioretty??
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Can someone explain to my what exactly the Ducks are doing? It's a couple days past free agency now and they are 9+ million UNDER the cap.
If you have a team that wants to rebuild or not spend, fine, but at this point they have lost a LOT of leverage in trading for teams that wanted to dump salary. Their return at this point won't be nearly as good. It's an organization I honestly know very little about, but I can't help but want their GM to be fired at this point.
As a Kings fan that sometimes want to keep tabs on the other California teams (honestly, the Sharks are the ones that looks really in the gutter right now, although trading Brent Burns at 33% retention can help their cap and age issues), the Ducks have decent talent. I'm going to keep hammering the point. A team needs to hit well on a FA signing contract like the Kings did with Danault to turn their luck around. The Ducks hasn't seem to do that yet. Why? No idea. Their GM just got there last season after Bob Murray was there forever. The idea of signing a guy like Kadri could be intriguing for them while guys like Trevor Zegras and Mason McTavish gets more suited in playing bigger roles.
Obviously, I wish for them to continue standing pat and not do anything and do whatever they want just to meet cap floor.
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Not a lot of high priced players out there still - the names in the title, Kinglberg, Stastny. The rest are definitely on the tail end of their careers, and going to be making less than their last contracts (PK, Kessel, Stralman ...)
More than a few good RFAs though. As usual, I don't see any offer sheets going out to anyone of significance.
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It would seem that nobody wants to pay Kadri a boatload of money. I wonder if Calgary bites after losing Gaudreau.
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Why would anyone. He’s 31, and only had one ‘great’ season. Not a lot of teams have cap room. If he thought he was gonna get a $50M+ contract, he’s been smoking some of that high end stuff. For 3-4 years, I can see someone taking a chance and shelling out $8Mish AAV. If he wants longer term than that, well…. he’s past the prime of his life already. His production isn’t likely to get better. Especially if he doesn’t have the teammates he had in Colorado, AND if he’s expected to be the #1 guy (ie, he’ll get the #1 defenders - where it was MacKinnon that had to play against the best defenders)
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Why would anyone. He’s 31, and only had one ‘great’ season. Not a lot of teams have cap room. If he thought he was gonna get a $50M+ contract, he’s been smoking some of that high end stuff. For 3-4 years, I can see someone taking a chance and shelling out $8Mish AAV. If he wants longer term than that, well…. he’s past the prime of his life already. His production isn’t likely to get better. Especially if he doesn’t have the teammates he had in Colorado, AND if he’s expected to be the #1 guy (ie, he’ll get the #1 defenders - where it was MacKinnon that had to play against the best defenders)
I think you’re being kind with the $8mil evaluation for that short term. I’d think 3-4 years and $6.5-7.5. As you mentioned…..his success last year was largely predicated on who he was surrounded by. Add in the ‘drama’ he brings to your team by being a no good POS dirty player and it’s no surprise he’s still waiting by the phone.
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Why would anyone. He’s 31, and only had one ‘great’ season. Not a lot of teams have cap room. If he thought he was gonna get a $50M+ contract, he’s been smoking some of that high end stuff. For 3-4 years, I can see someone taking a chance and shelling out $8Mish AAV. If he wants longer term than that, well…. he’s past the prime of his life already. His production isn’t likely to get better. Especially if he doesn’t have the teammates he had in Colorado, AND if he’s expected to be the #1 guy (ie, he’ll get the #1 defenders - where it was MacKinnon that had to play against the best defenders)
I think you’re being kind with the $8mil evaluation for that short term. I’d think 3-4 years and $6.5-7.5. As you mentioned…..his success last year was largely predicated on who he was surrounded by. Add in the ‘drama’ he brings to your team by being a no good POS dirty player and it’s no surprise he’s still waiting by the phone.
I think a lot of the league after seeing some very hard contract moves and buyouts are finally being more reasonable in free agency and not overpaying as much. Hell, it was how many years ago that Suter/Parise got their matching contracts just shy of 10m AAV and all these years later Johnny Hockey got basically the same thing, even though the cap has raised a good bit since then.
As far as Kadri in particular is concerned, I agree that given age and this past season being an outlier one must be very careful. I haven't really seen much as far as what he's waiting for. Could be term, could be short term money, could be just trying to work his way into a place he wants to play.
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Why would anyone. He’s 31, and only had one ‘great’ season. Not a lot of teams have cap room. If he thought he was gonna get a $50M+ contract, he’s been smoking some of that high end stuff. For 3-4 years, I can see someone taking a chance and shelling out $8Mish AAV. If he wants longer term than that, well…. he’s past the prime of his life already. His production isn’t likely to get better. Especially if he doesn’t have the teammates he had in Colorado, AND if he’s expected to be the #1 guy (ie, he’ll get the #1 defenders - where it was MacKinnon that had to play against the best defenders)
I think you’re being kind with the $8mil evaluation for that short term. I’d think 3-4 years and $6.5-7.5. As you mentioned…..his success last year was largely predicated on who he was surrounded by. Add in the ‘drama’ he brings to your team by being a no good POS dirty player and it’s no surprise he’s still waiting by the phone.
I think a lot of the league after seeing some very hard contract moves and buyouts are finally being more reasonable in free agency and not overpaying as much. Hell, it was how many years ago that Suter/Parise got their matching contracts just shy of 10m AAV and all these years later Johnny Hockey got basically the same thing, even though the cap has raised a good bit since then.
I don't think AAV was the issue for those contracts. AAV for those contracts was $7.5M. The reason the AAV was like that was because the contracts was set to last for 13 years and it got bought out on year 9. Guess whose the GM that signed those contracts? Chuck Fletcher.
No wonder the league needed to clamp down on those contracts and limit the years to 8 max. Few contracts structured like that rarely worked in hindsight. Ovi's lengthy contract was great. Crosby's current lengthy contract turned out to be a huge bargain for the Pens in hindsight. Others just didn't work out like that. Like Mike Richards...... Carter probably almost thought about retiring in 2021 if the Pens didn't rejuvenate him which would have been ugly for the Kings as well since they would have eaten a recapture penalty.
Also, the Flyers were the ones that was really trigger-happy with signing those long deals as well. They offer-sheeted Shea Weber which the Preds matched and give a long contract (9 years) to Ilya Bryzgalov in addition to the Carter and Richards contracts. Got bought out after 2 years. This does not count against the Flyers' cap due to CBA negotiations, but man. Bryzgalov got his Bobby Bonilla moment.
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For some reason I recalled the Suter/Parise contracts as higher, good catch. I still think if a comparable to Johnny would have hit the market 5 years ago his AAV would have been higher. And the Flyers are not blameless, but far from the only ones. I actually saw something very good recently, let me see if I can dig it up...
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I saw this in image form, but here you go, in 2016 in free agency you had...
Player Former Team New Team Contract Details
2 Kyle Okposo – RW Islanders Sabres 7 yrs, $42M ($6.0M AAV)
3 Loui Eriksson – RW Bruins Canucks 6 yrs, $36M ($6.0M AAV)
4 Milan Lucic – LW Kings Oilers 7 yrs, $42M ($6.0M AAV)
5 David Backes – C Blues Bruins 5 yrs, $30M ($6.0M AAV)
6 Andrew Ladd – LW Blackhawks Islanders 7 yrs, $38.5M ($5.5M AAV)
8 Frans Nielsen – C Islanders Red Wings 6 yrs, $31.5M ($5.25M AAV)
9 Eric Staal – C Rangers Wild 3 yrs, $10.5M ($3.5M AAV)
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6 years later and which contract out of that 2016 FA class aged well for the teams that signed it? Very few. Honestly, the Kings gave up a lot for Lucic for the 15-16 season (1st round pick in 2015, Martin Jones when he was still good, and a prospect). In hindsight, it might have been for the best for him to go FA since if they gave him 8 more years, it would be even more disastrous for the team than what actually happened to them over that amount of time.
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6 years later and which contract out of that 2016 FA class aged well for the teams that signed it? Very few. Honestly, the Kings gave up a lot for Lucic for the 15-16 season (1st round pick in 2015, Martin Jones when he was still good, and a prospect). In hindsight, it might have been for the best for him to go FA since if they gave him 8 more years, it would be even more disastrous for the team than what actually happened to them over that amount of time.
The prospect was Colin Miller.
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There's an article on The Athletic that says Matthew Tkachuk does not want to re-sign with the Flames. That's good news for the Kings. He's been a problem to deal with for them and for Doughty. The Flames getting weaker after losing Gaudreau and possibly losing Tkachuk means only the Oilers and Golden Knights are the definitive obstacles in the Pacific for the time being. Excellent.
As for Matt Tkachuk, where will he end up? Blues seems like a good choice. Kev and Gary, how do you feel about that possibility? Your team would need to move cap space around, but it could be done.
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There's an article on The Athletic that says Matthew Tkachuk does not want to re-sign with the Flames. That's good news for the Kings. He's been a problem to deal with for them and for Doughty. The Flames getting weaker after losing Gaudreau and possibly losing Tkachuk means only the Oilers and Golden Knights are the definitive obstacles in the Pacific for the time being. Excellent.
As for Matt Tkachuk, where will he end up? Blues seems like a good choice. Kev and Gary, how do you feel about that possibility? Your team would need to move cap space around, but it could be done.
I think just about every team will be interested in him. The real question is what will it cost to get him in a trade? His value will be slightly down since he's not under contract, amd allegedly wants out, but Calgary could still hold him for a few years on arbitrated 1yr deals if it came to that.
I doubt he'd come up the highway to Edmonton, but I'd gladly do away with Jesse Puljujarvi and a 1st for his rights.
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There's an article on The Athletic that says Matthew Tkachuk does not want to re-sign with the Flames. That's good news for the Kings. He's been a problem to deal with for them and for Doughty. The Flames getting weaker after losing Gaudreau and possibly losing Tkachuk means only the Oilers and Golden Knights are the definitive obstacles in the Pacific for the time being. Excellent.
As for Matt Tkachuk, where will he end up? Blues seems like a good choice. Kev and Gary, how do you feel about that possibility? Your team would need to move cap space around, but it could be done.
I think just about every team will be interested in him. The real question is what will it cost to get him in a trade? His value will be slightly down since he's not under contract, amd allegedly wants out, but Calgary could still hold him for a few years on arbitrated 1yr deals if it came to that.
I doubt he'd come up the highway to Edmonton, but I'd gladly do away with Jesse Puljujarvi and a 1st for his rights.
I'd gladly see Nylander go in a 1:1 swap. Willie was born in Calgary afterall.
But I could see Ottawa also be a high-probability destination for Tkachuk.
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There's an article on The Athletic that says Matthew Tkachuk does not want to re-sign with the Flames. That's good news for the Kings. He's been a problem to deal with for them and for Doughty. The Flames getting weaker after losing Gaudreau and possibly losing Tkachuk means only the Oilers and Golden Knights are the definitive obstacles in the Pacific for the time being. Excellent.
As for Matt Tkachuk, where will he end up? Blues seems like a good choice. Kev and Gary, how do you feel about that possibility? Your team would need to move cap space around, but it could be done.
I think just about every team will be interested in him. The real question is what will it cost to get him in a trade? His value will be slightly down since he's not under contract, amd allegedly wants out, but Calgary could still hold him for a few years on arbitrated 1yr deals if it came to that.
I doubt he'd come up the highway to Edmonton, but I'd gladly do away with Jesse Puljujarvi and a 1st for his rights.
I'd gladly see Nylander go in a 1:1 swap. Willie was born in Calgary afterall.
But I could see Ottawa also be a high-probability destination for Tkachuk.
Nylander for Tkachuk straight up would be a fleecing. One's a 80-100 point player, the other one is...William Nylander.
I could see him go to Ottawa to play with his brother.
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There's an article on The Athletic that says Matthew Tkachuk does not want to re-sign with the Flames. That's good news for the Kings. He's been a problem to deal with for them and for Doughty. The Flames getting weaker after losing Gaudreau and possibly losing Tkachuk means only the Oilers and Golden Knights are the definitive obstacles in the Pacific for the time being. Excellent.
As for Matt Tkachuk, where will he end up? Blues seems like a good choice. Kev and Gary, how do you feel about that possibility? Your team would need to move cap space around, but it could be done.
Would love to see it but I just don’t think it can happen. Blues have a lot of high value long term contracts with no movement clauses and are $150k over the cap right now. I think we’d have the pieces to trade but don’t know if it’d add up to enough room. Plus, he’d want to be signed long term at a hefty sum and I’m not sure he’s worth $9 mil a year that’d utterly cripple your budget.
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One thing the Athletic article noted, which is a great point, is that even though he's an RFA he actually has a good bit of leverage in deciding where to go in a trade, and he apparently wants a US contender.
Reason for the leverage is Calgary is likely to get a much better return for him if they let teams he wants to talk to negotiate an extension with him as part of the trade.
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One thing the Athletic article noted, which is a great point, is that even though he's an RFA he actually has a good bit of leverage in deciding where to go in a trade, and he apparently wants a US contender.
Reason for the leverage is Calgary is likely to get a much better return for him if they let teams he wants to talk to negotiate an extension with him as part of the trade.
It’s more or less a known thing that St Louis is his top choice. I just don’t see how they’d pull it off. Only way is for Tarasenko to agree to going to Calgary and I doubt that’ll happen.
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It’s more or less a known thing that St Louis is his top choice. I just don’t see how they’d pull it off. Only way is for Tarasenko to agree to going to Calgary and I doubt that’ll happen.
Agreed. I have seen the idea floated of trading Kyrou to get him, but I am like nooooooooooooooooooooooooo. I'd love to get Tkachuk, but I don't want to lose Kyrou.
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I thought there was a rumour that Cgy turned down Kyrou, Krug and a 1st for him.
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I thought there was a rumour that Cgy turned down Kyrou, Krug and a 1st for him.
Nope. Just a rumor. I’m very close buddies with the Blues beat writer for the Athletic and that combination of a trade was never offered to Calgary…..all rumor.
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Nino is off the board, 2x4m to the Preds, an excellent signing for them.
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Nino is off the board, 2x4m to the Preds, an excellent signing for them.
That is a good contract for the team - assuming he can still perform as a top-6 forward.
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Heard today, and of course not 100% sure of its validity, but the fact that he's still on the market makes it seem credible...
Apparently Klingberg is asking for 7x7m, yikes.
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Patrik Laine got resigned in Columbus. 4 years at $8.7M per year. I don't see this team making playoffs, but I do see this team playing spoiler for the most part and can have some fun games. They do need to trim a lot of fat. They are over the cap and over the roster limit.
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Patrik Laine got resigned in Columbus. 4 years at $8.7M per year. I don't see this team making playoffs, but I do see this team playing spoiler for the most part and can have some fun games. They do need to trim a lot of fat. They are over the cap and over the roster limit.
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I think that's a decent contract for both him and the team. Point-a-game last year, and projects out to be almost a 40-goal scorer for 82 games. But he's still a defensive liability.
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Tkachui to the panthers , and signs 8x$9.5
To the Flames (rumoured as of this moment)
Huberdeau
Weeger
A prospect
A 1st
At first I thought Florida got fleeced. Then I saw that both Weeger and Huberdeau are UFAs after this season.
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Confirmed. They better hope they don't fall apart this season. Their first round they traded to the Habs in 2023 is unprotected. Imagine if that becomes Bedard.
https://twitter.com/FlaPanthers/status/1550683370518200320?s=20&t=gUlHvZBRBEXr0cC5KlOc1g
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Tkachui to the panthers , and signs 8x$9.5
To the Flames (rumoured as of this moment)
Huberdeau
Weeger
A prospect
A 1st
At first I thought Florida got fleeced. Then I saw that both Weeger and Huberdeau are UFAs after this season.
Yeah... i was thinking the exact same thing until you clarified the UFA status. Huberdeau for Tkachuk straight up would be reasonable if he were going to be under contract. Flames are still less dangerous with their rusts today than they were last year. As of today, I'd easily take the Oilers to win the division.
I think CBJ could surprise some teams next season. Gaudreau and Laine give them 2 very good scorers in their top 6. If they can keep the puck out of the net, they might do damage
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Confirmed. They better hope they don't fall apart this season. Their first round they traded to the Habs in 2023 is unprotected. Imagine if that becomes Bedard.
https://twitter.com/FlaPanthers/status/1550683370518200320?s=20&t=gUlHvZBRBEXr0cC5KlOc1g
Barring SIGNIFICANT injury issues, there’s no way they fall to a lottery spot.
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Confirmed. They better hope they don't fall apart this season. Their first round they traded to the Habs in 2023 is unprotected. Imagine if that becomes Bedard.
https://twitter.com/FlaPanthers/status/1550683370518200320?s=20&t=gUlHvZBRBEXr0cC5KlOc1g
Barring SIGNIFICANT injury issues, there’s no way they fall to a lottery spot.
They better hope not, they sure lit a lot of 1st round picks on fire recently. They don't have one until 2026 now. They should be built for deeper runs here on out.
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Tkachui to the panthers , and signs 8x$9.5
To the Flames (rumoured as of this moment)
Huberdeau
Weeger
A prospect
A 1st
At first I thought Florida got fleeced. Then I saw that both Weeger and Huberdeau are UFAs after this season.
Glad he went to Eastern conference.
All the ‘no trade / no movement’ clauses that the Blues had made it a long shot to land him all along. I know StL was his preferred spot but there was no way to make it happen.
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Tkachui to the panthers , and signs 8x$9.5
To the Flames (rumoured as of this moment)
Huberdeau
Weeger
A prospect
A 1st
At first I thought Florida got fleeced. Then I saw that both Weeger and Huberdeau are UFAs after this season.
Glad he went to Eastern conference.
All the ‘no trade / no movement’ clauses that the Blues had made it a long shot to land him all along. I know StL was his preferred spot but there was no way to make it happen.
I’m not. The Atlantic no less!
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Ahhhh, statistics facts are fun.
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https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1550896148482666496
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Wheeee, Dustin Brown gets the Jersey retirement ceremony. Surprisingly, he gets a statue as well? I mean in a vacuum, it makes sense. First and only captain to lift the Cup for the Kings. Played the most amount of games in a Kings' uniform and played only for the team his entire career. From what I've read, he's a good community leader when it comes to youth hockey in SoCal. That stated, when you look at the statues in Staples Center (for this post, I will state Staples, not the Crypt House), you got guys like Magic, Shaq, Luc Robitaille, Gretzky, Oscar de la Hoya, and legendary announcers, Bob Miller and Chick Hearn. Love Dustin Brown and what he brought, but in terms of name value, sadly, he's not up there to those guys. It's also weird that he gets a statue in Staples before Kobe? That doesn't seem right regardless of how anyone feels about Kobe.
https://twitter.com/LAKings/status/1551984197601873920?cxt=HHwWgMCisfXZ4IkrAAAA
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Hoisted more Cups as a King than Gretzky and Robitaille combined did. ;D
I agree though. A statue might be a bit much.
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Here's one of those wacky ideas that I'm sure Kev will get behind. I'm saying this jokingly, but you know who should get a statue at Staples Center? Taylor Swift... If she had a banner at some point for most sold-out shows at the building formerly known as Staples Center, would that mean she should be credible enough to get a statue there? I really hope AEG does not do that though, but that could be a nice cringe marketing trick they could do in times of marketing emergencies.
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I'm just loving that the POS Kadri is still sitting out there with little to no interest from anyone :lol There are rumors that the Islanders are kicking the tires and maybe even the Flames.....but no matter what it's hilarious that he's still out there given all the effort that was made to paint him as a different player than he was. Glad to see the GM's didn't fall for the smoke and mirrors the playoff coverage broadcasting teams and programs were feverishly pimping.
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The reporting up here on FA day was that he was taking his time to make the right decision for him. After about 3 days, that narrative evaporated. He's gonna get a shit deal (relative to what he thinks he's worth). I'd be surprised if it tops $25M. At his age, I don't think anyone wants to go longer than 4-5, and the longer the term, the lower the AAV. 5x5 or 4x6 seems like the range that should be the top end for him.
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Glad to see the GM's didn't fall for the smoke and mirrors the playoff coverage broadcasting teams and programs were feverishly pimping.
Wow. For once, there are GMs that's not willing to blindly throw crazy money at a player that would not really pan out for them long-term? That's really surprising.
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Glad to see the GM's didn't fall for the smoke and mirrors the playoff coverage broadcasting teams and programs were feverishly pimping.
Wow. For once, there are GMs that's not willing to blindly throw crazy money at a player that would not really pan out for them long-term? That's really surprising.
It would seem this is the year GMs have hit the wall on the kind of tricks they believe can pull off with the cap.
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Glad to see the GM's didn't fall for the smoke and mirrors the playoff coverage broadcasting teams and programs were feverishly pimping.
Wow. For once, there are GMs that's not willing to blindly throw crazy money at a player that would not really pan out for them long-term? That's really surprising.
It would seem this is the year GMs have hit the wall on the kind of tricks they believe can pull off with the cap.
Looks like one of the benefits of that frozen cap from Covid and now the slowed pace of it's annual increase is that GM's are being just a little bit more cautious about 'who' they're committing these dollars to. In Kadri's case.....they 1) Know he's still a dirty ass player and are going to have to deal with that baggage and eventual suspension and 2) Know that his inflated numbers came more from the players he was surrounded by and playing with on a nightly basis and not due to his skill. He's simply not a player who's going to get the money that he (wanted) thought he'd get
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Well, John Klingberg is going to sign with the Ducks for a year. It looks like they are finalizing the details, but the AAV looks to be around $7M. That will put them above the floor. I think it's an ok signing for them. They get a D that they can flip for picks and prospects at the trade deadline if they are not a playoff team. If he likes it there and they are in a good spot, he may sign another contract with them.
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Here's one of those wacky ideas that I'm sure Kev will get behind. I'm saying this jokingly, but you know who should get a statue at Staples Center? Taylor Swift... If she had a banner at some point for most sold-out shows at the building formerly known as Staples Center, would that mean she should be credible enough to get a statue there? I really hope AEG does not do that though, but that could be a nice cringe marketing trick they could do in times of marketing emergencies.
:tup :tup
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Well, John Klingberg is going to sign with the Ducks for a year. It looks like they are finalizing the details, but the AAV looks to be around $7M. That will put them above the floor. I think it's an ok signing for them. They get a D that they can flip for picks and prospects at the trade deadline if they are not a playoff team. If he likes it there and they are in a good spot, he may sign another contract with them.
Bold prediction - they won't be a playoff team this year.
Or next.
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Big money coming for Jonathan Huberdeau. $10.5M AAV for 8 years starting next year. Flames are trying to make good of a bad situation losing two key star players and this may almost get them out of there. Huberdeau will be 38 when the contract ends looks rough, but this guy is known to be an assist machine, so it shouldn't too bad in the last years of it.
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1555385101139288065
I await more times of this staredown between Danault and Huberdeau.
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That’s a massive contract. Should be ok over the long haul for both, as the cap will be going up in a couple of years. Pretty ballsy of both to do that before he’s even laced the skates up once.
I heard a rumour that Kari may land with the Islanders?
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Bergeron and Krejci back with Boston: https://www.nhl.com/news/c-334778202?tid=281072352
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Bergeron and Krejci back with Boston: https://www.nhl.com/news/c-334778202?tid=281072352
I saw that last night, and was :omg: at the Krejci part. Guess Cassidy was part of the issue there.
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Well, I think I read that Krejci didn't want to play in the NHL, last year, since he wanted to be with his parents in Czechia and wanted his kids to be there as well when the pandemic was at its near peak. Now that things looked more settled down, I guess he decided he wanted to go one more shot at a good run with the Bruins when he still can. We all knew Bergeron was going to sign back there. Good contracts as well with them performance bonuses where the Bruins can put that extra money in the season, after this season, cap if neeeded.
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So I've been reading that it does not look like Kadri is not going to the Islanders, like it's been heavily rumored, but to the Flames??? Fudge, I was hoping they'd be a fringe team after the moves that happened, but now they look good enough to win the Pacific again. Going to be like 5 teams trying to duke it out for spots in that division. Not going to be comfortable.
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1560303210149052417?cxt=HHwWgoCw7Zbgp6crAAAA
Edit: For the Flames to make space, they had to trade Sean Monahan and a 1st round pick in 2025 to the Habs. The conditions are quite wordy to make it work so that the Flames and the Panthers don't get screwed out of a potential top 10 pick in 2025.
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/632049
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Flames better win a cup in the next 3-4 years, because the back ends of the Kadri and Huberdeau contracts are going to create some rough years.
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It'll be interesting to see how Kadri performs without being surrounded by the cast that he's been surrounded by the past couple seasons. I personally think the Flames just massively overpaid an average at best player. But at least the one guarantee is that he will have a few suspensions while under contract.
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I can honestly say I'm not worried about the Flames. Kadri and Huberdeau both benefited from lineups they won't have in Calgary. And trading Monahan made them worse yet. 7x7 for Kardi is absurd.
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I can honestly say I'm not worried about the Flames. Kadri and Huberdeau both benefited from lineups they won't have in Calgary. And trading Monahan made them worse yet. 7x7 for Kardi is absurd.
100% agree on everything you've stated here.
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I don't think Darryl Sutter is fretting working these guys in with his system. I'm sure he likes a guy like Kadri and what he brings to the table. I will maintain a stance that it will be one of the Alberta teams winning the division.
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Well, you can scratch Phil Kessel off the FA board. He signed with the Golden Knights for $1.5m for a year. This team has no active goalies on CapFriendly at the moment, btw. Lehner is going to be out for the year, I think.
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So. A few weeks to go before training camp and pre-season starts. Anyone being nervous about anything?
For me, I'm not worried much. The Kings got only one RFA left to sign, Sean Durzi, and that should be taken care of soon. Other than that, I just hope everyone plays up to what they should be and we should have a fun season to watch with meaningful games to sweat down the stretch.
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Loved seeing the Blues give Kyrou that extension. :metal :metal
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So. A few weeks to go before training camp and pre-season starts. Anyone being nervous about anything?
I'm worried that while the Red Wings have two goalies that *could* really push them forward, there is also a chance that both really fall flat this year. And if they do that could really stunt a team that is otherwise supposed to take a big step forward.
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Loved seeing the Blues give Kyrou that extension. :metal :metal
They're putting some pieces together and really committing to the future for sure. BUT....as far as worries.....I think they'll more or less be the same type of team as last year. Competitive...one of the top teams....and, IF they can hit the playoffs running they're a team that 'could' make a run. But they don't have any real 'scare' factor to them. They're just a blue collar team that'll have to grind the season out.
The 'scary' thing about them is they threw all the eggs in the Binnington basket by letting Husso walk. If Binnington craps the bed for the better part of a season like he did last year.....Husso won't be there to salvage it like he was last year and that back up we signed is a joke. It's sink or swim with #50 this year.
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For those that's been keeping track of the Evander Kane and San Jose Sharks contract termination dispute, it looks like a resolution is finally in place and this looks like the end penalty.
The Sharks will pay $2.5 million dollars to Kane to basically make him "whole" (the amount is the difference between the last three years of the Sharks contract with Kane valued at $19M and the first three years of the Oilers contract which is $16.5M) and the cap recapture penalty will be applied towards the Sharks' 21-22 Cap Hit, which was significantly below the cap ceiling. Meaning the Sharks will not get any cap recapture penalty from Kane's contract moving forward. Must be f'en nice to get a nice punishment like this that won't hurt the Sharks at all.
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1570817732563836931?s=20
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Was there some sort of deadline or something because Zdeno Chara, PK Subban, and Lieth Yandle all announced their retirements today.
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Training camp starts in a few days, so I'm sure at that point, those guys probably saw what's out there when it comes to offers and think, "Nahhhh, I'm good. It's retirement time." For Subban, it's interesting how he decided to call it a retirement at 33. Made a lot of money over his career. He probably could have signed with another team in a more sheltered role, if he wants to go cup-chasing, but didn't like what's out there perhaps? Probably ends up in a studio analyst role on ESPN or TNT down the line.
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Training camp starts in a few days, so I'm sure at that point, those guys probably saw what's out there when it comes to offers and think, "Nahhhh, I'm good. It's retirement time."
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
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In other news, Nathan MacKinnon, starting in the 23-24 season, will be the highest paid player in the league in terms of AAV. $12.6M x 8 years.
https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1572259467387088897?cxt=HHwWgsDRhfnp5NErAAAA
I'm sure it is going to be worth it, but if the cap doesn't go up huge like it's projected it will at that time, let's see how the Avs react to the crunch when they get to feel it. The Kings and Blackhawks didn't react as well to their crunches after giving their 8-figure contracts post-cup win era.
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So Regular Season starts this week and today, the teams had a deadline to fit everything to be cap compliant.
I say the Kings did well on that end. Got $1.25M to spare and it could grow into a good deadline acquisition if needed. Got 14F, 7D, and 2G. They even got Brandt Clarke (who they picked at #8 at the draft in 2021) on the main roster. He seems like he really wants to make an impression and had done well in rookie tournaments, preseason games, etc. to warrant the spot. I hope he can be an impact player that warrant him staying on the main roster and not have him go back to the Canadian leagues.
I'm looking at CapFriendly and stuff and the Leafs manage to get below the cap crunch. Made it with $4.00 to spare after using LTIR. They even had to put Wayne Simmonds on waivers (which I would have loved the Kings to take a look into claiming since even if he's not the same player he was when the Kings traded him in 2011, I still think he would be more effective in that 4th line role over a guy like Brendan Lemieux)
PROJECTED CAP HIT Tooltip : $84,649,996
PROJECTED LTIR USED Tooltip : $2,149,996
PROJECTED CAP SPACE Tooltip : $0
This season's trade deadline will probably be on the boring end with at least 10 teams being over the cap after using LTIR.
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Did they say why Tampa isn't opening at home? Is it because of the hurricane?
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Did they say why Tampa isn't opening at home? Is it because of the hurricane?
Avs won the Cups last year, not TB, so the Lightning opening at home doesn't seem like a must. ;)
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Did they say why Tampa isn't opening at home? Is it because of the hurricane?
Avs won the Cups last year, not TB, so the Lightning opening at home doesn't seem like a must. ;)
Dammit. :facepalm:
That makes sense. :lol
Ok then...why aren't the Avs kicking off the NHL season tonight smarty pants?
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It does feel like the Lightning won it again last year. :lol :lol
No clue about the Avs.
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It does feel like the Lightning won it again last year. :lol :lol
Yeah, I was like WTF, why are they in New York?
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It does feel like the Lightning won it again last year. :lol :lol
Yeah, I was like WTF, why are they in New York?
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You need to go to the FW Thread for real woman gifs instead of the Mousekateer.
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It does feel like the Lightning won it again last year. :lol :lol
Yeah, I was like WTF, why are they in New York?
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God. The Kings had three solid goals from the right guys that needed those goals to start the season and they just muffed it with a poor defensive performance. They just attempt these freaken stretch passes that never hits their mark and leads to turnovers and Quick has to fend for himself. Like Durzi had the puck for 20 seconds in the last min. of the 3rd and I thought he was killing for time before taking it out of the zone to play for OT, but nope, he made a terrible long pass, caused a turnover that lead the Golden Knights to the winning goal. Quick made 47 saves that game and this team couldn't pull through for him against the Golden Knights with that performance.
It's such a simple leak. They need to fix that or they are so going to get owned by teams that knows how to make other teams pay for their turnovers.
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Pasta begins his Walk Year with 4 points (1G 3A) in the season opener.
Ka-ching!
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^^ Do you feel confident in him re-signing with the Bruins?
Also, this is a 90s crossover I never imagine seeing in 2022. Mark Hoppus of Blink 182 with Wayne Gretzky. Hoppus is there for the Avs opening night since the Avs used All The Small Things as a rally song for a good while now.
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It sounds like Pasta wants to sign here but wants to get paid more than 10 mil a year.
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I think he'd love to be here but I think he's set on going to Free Agency.
@Joe, did you hear Felger talk about Ty Anderson's report that the Bruins were willing to give him the biggest contract in team history, which means it's north of Charlie's 9.5 AAV.
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Yes. Charlie makes 10 mil I though so the offered slightly more but he's looking at 13-14 mil a year. They might have to pay him that. Let's be honest, the stole on the deal for Marchand. Who is making 6 mil.
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Yes. Charlie makes 10 mil I though so the offered slightly more but he's looking at 13-14 mil a year. They might have to pay him that. Let's be honest, the stole on the deal for Marchand. Who is making 6 mil.
Same with Pasta's current deal.
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Blues win their home opener. :hat :hat
I knew I should have gone, darn it.
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7 goals by the Kings. Is this the right team? On a downer note, they let in 6 against the Wild. That's not good. Neither three games they had so far were deemed, defensively played well. Got to fix those issues down the line when going against better teams.
A W is a W still. Take that first one how you get them.
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Wings are 2-0-0, get the parade planned out!
Seriously tho, with a ton of new additions, including Lalonde behind the bench so far it seems a lot of key players have taken the steps that they needed to in order to really make this year competitive. Still no realistic shot at a cup, but a good start nonetheless. And Kev, in case you missed it, Husso posted a shutout in the opening game. :D
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Wings are 2-0-0, get the parade planned out!
Seriously tho, with a ton of new additions, including Lalonde behind the bench so far it seems a lot of key players have taken the steps that they needed to in order to really make this year competitive. Still no realistic shot at a cup, but a good start nonetheless. And Kev, in case you missed it, Husso posted a shutout in the opening game. :D
I shall choose to pretend that didn't happen. :lol :lol :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Man, the B's look great.
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They look.......fast?
When have you ever been able to say that about a Bruins team? :lol
This game is not over though.
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No. 4-2 and Panthers on a PP.
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Wings are 2-0-0, get the parade planned out!
Seriously tho, with a ton of new additions, including Lalonde behind the bench so far it seems a lot of key players have taken the steps that they needed to in order to really make this year competitive. Still no realistic shot at a cup, but a good start nonetheless. And Kev, in case you missed it, Husso posted a shutout in the opening game. :D
I shall choose to pretend that didn't happen. :lol :lol :biggrin: :biggrin:
Hey Kev, if it makes you feel any better, he let in 5 last night against the Kings. Wings still got a point, though. ;)
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Wings are 2-0-0, get the parade planned out!
Seriously tho, with a ton of new additions, including Lalonde behind the bench so far it seems a lot of key players have taken the steps that they needed to in order to really make this year competitive. Still no realistic shot at a cup, but a good start nonetheless. And Kev, in case you missed it, Husso posted a shutout in the opening game. :D
I shall choose to pretend that didn't happen. :lol :lol :biggrin: :biggrin:
Hey Kev, if it makes you feel any better, he let in 5 last night against the Kings. Wings still got a point, though. ;)
Ah, so the playoff version of Husso showed his face, eh? Nice. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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There was no reason for the Kings to win today against the Predators, even in a shootout. Petersen let a soft one in to begin the game. The team couldn't convert on the many many many PP they had. Juuse Saros was incredibly tough to beat for much of this game. Down 3-1. It took two goals from the only "defensive" right defenseman on the team in the form of Matt Roy to tie it in the 3rd. The Kings killed a late PP in OT. Ended up winning the shootout with Petersen stopping all three attempts.
On another note, Gabe Vilardi is having a much better start, this season, than he did last season. Playing with better confidence. Things are clicking ok with him and Byfield and Iafallo (before Iafallo got injured yesterday). Hope he keeps playing that way so that there's no reason to trade him or move him down to AHL at all.
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So the NHL has decided to launch another Reverse Retro jersey campaign to bring more revenue to the league. How are you guys liking your teams' design? The Kings opted to do a white color version of the purple and gold crown jersey. Looks all right and people seem to like the design. I do wish they bring the coat of arms logo from the early 00s designs, in some ways, rather than milk the crown and chevy logo to the ground.
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Meh. Better than the original McFarlane design (creator of the Spawn comics), but still not great. The 'Oil Gear' jersey is among my least favorite of the Oiler's jerseys all-time.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZwREe54.jpg)
Original on the right, new one on the left
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Was just checking out the Stars Leafs game on ESPN+ (SN coverage), and they were talking about Mason Marchment and referencing his late father. They showed a picture of Bryan Marchment but listed his name as Brad Marchment. *facepalm* pathetic
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So I discovered this site that sells hockey jerseys that has designs of rock and metal bands. Some of these designs look pretty neat and some are pretty huge look-a-likes of NHL teams. There's one on Anthrax that based on the Rangers (since Anthrax is New York based). There's a Guns n Roses one that is based off of the Kings' early 00s design with the coat of arms logo (my favorite Kings jersey look in their history). There's a Pantera design that's based on the Dallas Stars. I may actually consider buying one of these since there's a Shinedown one of their debut album cover, Leave a Whisper, on the front and I kinda want that. I'll mull it over.
https://puckhcky.com/
The funny thing is that since these jerseys are basing off of rock and metal band designs, most of them are going to be black-colored.
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WOW! That's an awesome site!
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So the Wings were the last team without a regulation loss going into last night's game against the Devils, and then promptly lost 6-2. Seemed like they were fighting the puck all night long, and the Devils managed to keep up sustained pressure and force the Wings to make mistakes all night. First ugly loss of the season for them, but I'm still encouraged by how they've started so far. Dominik Kubalik has been a revelation with 10 pts in 6 games, and it's nice to see noticeable improvement in their special teams play, which was abysmal last year. PK finally gave up a goal last night.
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So the Wings were the last team without a regulation loss going into last night's game against the Devils, and then promptly lost 6-2. Seemed like they were fighting the puck all night long, and the Devils managed to keep up sustained pressure and force the Wings to make mistakes all night. First ugly loss of the season for them, but I'm still encouraged by how they've started so far. Dominik Kubalik has been a revelation with 10 pts in 6 games, and it's nice to see noticeable improvement in their special teams play, which was abysmal last year. PK finally gave up a goal last night.
Wings/Bruins tomorrow night!
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So far I am liking me some Georgiev. Seems as though the Rangers fans appreciated him too. Avs might have found a diamond here.....though my guess is that his play will seek its own level at some point during the season.
I think Colorado just looking for decent goaltending, and he seems to be providing at least that!
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So the Wings were the last team without a regulation loss going into last night's game against the Devils, and then promptly lost 6-2. Seemed like they were fighting the puck all night long, and the Devils managed to keep up sustained pressure and force the Wings to make mistakes all night. First ugly loss of the season for them, but I'm still encouraged by how they've started so far. Dominik Kubalik has been a revelation with 10 pts in 6 games, and it's nice to see noticeable improvement in their special teams play, which was abysmal last year. PK finally gave up a goal last night.
Yeah, I figured the Red Wings were going to have a good season. They might as well be called the Detroit Blues now considering how many players they took from St. Louis.
It's been a few weeks but I don't think the mascot Buoy is ever going to grow on me. I simply don't like looking at him. How Seattle found a lame mascot for a team called the Kraken is beyond me, especially since they had years of planning!
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So the Wings were the last team without a regulation loss going into last night's game against the Devils, and then promptly lost 6-2. Seemed like they were fighting the puck all night long, and the Devils managed to keep up sustained pressure and force the Wings to make mistakes all night. First ugly loss of the season for them, but I'm still encouraged by how they've started so far. Dominik Kubalik has been a revelation with 10 pts in 6 games, and it's nice to see noticeable improvement in their special teams play, which was abysmal last year. PK finally gave up a goal last night.
Yeah, I figured the Red Wings were going to have a good season. They might as well be called the Detroit Blues now considering how many players they took from St. Louis.
It's been a few weeks but I don't think the mascot Buoy is ever going to grow on me. I simply don't like looking at him. How Seattle found a lame mascot for a team called the Kraken is beyond me, especially since they had years of planning!
If you were trying to to make me throw up, congrats on a job well done. :censored :censored
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So the Wings were the last team without a regulation loss going into last night's game against the Devils, and then promptly lost 6-2. Seemed like they were fighting the puck all night long, and the Devils managed to keep up sustained pressure and force the Wings to make mistakes all night. First ugly loss of the season for them, but I'm still encouraged by how they've started so far. Dominik Kubalik has been a revelation with 10 pts in 6 games, and it's nice to see noticeable improvement in their special teams play, which was abysmal last year. PK finally gave up a goal last night.
That game was so ugly to watch. Every time they tried a routine pass it was off the mark bouncing off of something is shouldn't have. Some things look good, but I think tonight's game against the Bruins are going to give them a wakeup call. There's still plenty of work to do and I think the Bruins will expose that a bit, definitely moreso than other teams on the schedule thus far.
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So the Wings were the last team without a regulation loss going into last night's game against the Devils, and then promptly lost 6-2. Seemed like they were fighting the puck all night long, and the Devils managed to keep up sustained pressure and force the Wings to make mistakes all night. First ugly loss of the season for them, but I'm still encouraged by how they've started so far. Dominik Kubalik has been a revelation with 10 pts in 6 games, and it's nice to see noticeable improvement in their special teams play, which was abysmal last year. PK finally gave up a goal last night.
That game was so ugly to watch. Every time they tried a routine pass it was off the mark bouncing off of something is shouldn't have. Some things look good, but I think tonight's game against the Bruins are going to give them a wakeup call. There's still plenty of work to do and I think the Bruins will expose that a bit, definitely moreso than other teams on the schedule thus far.
They've played the Bruins somewhat well in recent years, especially after the Bruins dominated them when the Wings first moved to the Eastern Conference. Should be an interesting game, especially with Marchand back in the lineup tonight. He's going to look like a sapling against Detroit's Redwood Line!
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The Bruins always seem to play down to the Red Wings. With the Wings off to a good start, the B's are going to need to show up. The B's aren't really as good as their record shows.
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After a 3-0 start, I joked to a co-worker Monday morning that the Blues were going undefeated.
They are 0-3 since.
Looks like I jinxed them. :lol :lol :facepalm: :facepalm:
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After a 3-0 start, I joked to a co-worker Monday morning that the Blues were going undefeated.
They are 0-3 since.
Looks like I jinxed them. :lol :lol :facepalm: :facepalm:
Gonna be a rough year for them. Our back up is pretty bad. The Blues have been accustomed to having a 1A and 1B tandem for years now....two extremely competent goaltenders. We don't have that now. It's a 1A/2B deal. And, 'we' just don't have the level of talent to be able to go out and just win games accidentally. This team has to show up every night and grind and go to work. They look great when they do that but when you have players and/or lines taking the night off it's pretty obvious.
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So I discovered this site that sells hockey jerseys that has designs of rock and metal bands. Some of these designs look pretty neat and some are pretty huge look-a-likes of NHL teams. There's one on Anthrax that based on the Rangers (since Anthrax is New York based). There's a Guns n Roses one that is based off of the Kings' early 00s design with the coat of arms logo (my favorite Kings jersey look in their history). There's a Pantera design that's based on the Dallas Stars. I may actually consider buying one of these since there's a Shinedown one of their debut album cover, Leave a Whisper, on the front and I kinda want that. I'll mull it over.
https://puckhcky.com/
The funny thing is that since these jerseys are basing off of rock and metal band designs, most of them are going to be black-colored.
I'm compelled to point out that, while I obviously get what they're doing, it's kind of dumb for the Anthrax/Rangers jersey to invoke the name of another team.
Also, as well as the Kings played in beating the Lightning on Tuesday, they looked like complete ass in the last 40 minutes last night against Winnipeg.
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^^ The Pantera one that looks like the Stars jersey is more blatant, but I think that can be tolerable since they did do the goal song for the Stars eons ago. Also, System of a Down collaborated with Puckhcky to do a jersey and you know what team this is based off of.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0366/8617/products/soad-dripped-in-oil-jersey-blue-front_750x.jpg)
The guitarist is a fan of the Oilers so that was their inspiration when they did the collab.
Also, yep, the Kings played like garbage after letting that short-handed goal in that made it 3-2 them. I was hoping the Leafs win yesterday so that the Kings could catch them off guard, while the Leafs are on hopium, on Saturday, but now both teams are going into this either pissed or demoralized and I want the Kings to be on the right side of the coin.
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I'll be curious to see how the Devils look against the Avs tonight. Through their first 7 games they've been on an absolute tear at 5 on 5 (at least 37 shots on goal every game, yet to surrender more than 25), and if not for some very lackluster goaltending would be better than 4-3. That said, their overall strength of schedule has been fairly soft.
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After a 3-0 start, I joked to a co-worker Monday morning that the Blues were going undefeated.
They are 0-3 since.
Looks like I jinxed them. :lol :lol :facepalm: :facepalm:
Gonna be a rough year for them. Our back up is pretty bad. The Blues have been accustomed to having a 1A and 1B tandem for years now....two extremely competent goaltenders. We don't have that now. It's a 1A/2B deal. And, 'we' just don't have the level of talent to be able to go out and just win games accidentally. This team has to show up every night and grind and go to work. They look great when they do that but when you have players and/or lines taking the night off it's pretty obvious.
They stink right now. That game went from 3-1 to 3-6 seemingly in the blink of an eye last night. My fear is that this continues and that Berube takes the hit for it, which would be a disaster.
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I'll be curious to see how the Devils look against the Avs tonight. Through their first 7 games they've been on an absolute tear at 5 on 5 (at least 37 shots on goal every game, yet to surrender more than 25), and if not for some very lackluster goaltending would be better than 4-3. That said, their overall strength of schedule has been fairly soft.
Safe to say a successful weekend. Friday night was a great hockey game, back and forth and we managed the 1-0 win, and then an absolute blowout of Columbus on Sunday. I did also enjoy the little bit of pettiness from the team's twitter account, captioning defensemen John Marino's goal with "Johnny Hockey" :lol
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Columbus blows. At least their goalie does. The Bruins scored a number of soft goals on him.
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I am now resigned to the fact that Berube is probably gonna fired here soon given how ugly the team looks right now, and it would appear as if the team as a whole doesn't give a crap.
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Like, what's going on with the Blues so far? I went this game thinking, "If the Kings don't lose a defenseman to injury in this game or the next game against Dallas, it should be ok." I didn't expect a 5-1 thumping that the Kings delivered. What's going to happen regarding Tarasenko or ROR? The team going to give them an extension or move on from them?
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Went to the Sabres/Wings game last night. Sabres look solid, everywhere except in net. Tage Thompson (6 points with a hatty) is the real fuckin deal. Exciting team - I had a lot more fun watching that game, as opposed to the Leafs/Ducks game the night before.
As Babs told the team/fanbase 3 years ago just before the shit-canned him "Will beats skill".
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What's going to happen regarding Tarasenko or ROR? The team going to give them an extension or move on from them?
Tarasenko will be gone....either via trade this year or just walking next. Armstrong has a history of sticking to his guns when not overpaying for an aging veteran....so, the O'Reily scenario is interesting. IMO you CAN'T lose him....but, he's 31 right now (32 in Feb) so I don't think you're signing him long term. He's making $7.5 mil now....no way you can do that again. I'd think $5.5 for 5 would get him resigned. Take the hit on term but save the Cap space.
Tage Thompson (6 points with a hatty) is the real fuckin deal.
Hated losing him....utterly hated it. Always knew he'd be a stud once he 'grew' into his body and game. Yeah....that trade essentially Won us a Cup but if you take a look now it's going to hurt more long term. Really good player that kid is.
I am now resigned to the fact that Berube is probably gonna fired here soon given how ugly the team looks right now, and it would appear as if the team as a whole doesn't give a crap.
IMO this isn't Berube's mess....it's Armstrong's. He's had a good run of getting away with some questionable trades/non signings and signings that "shouldn't" have been as successful but were. I think now we're seeing some questionable off season decisions like not re-signing Perron and signing a washed up back up bite him in the ass. Perron was an 'identity' player and locker room glue type teammate. You can't put a price tag on that and Armstrong out though himself on that one.
It's going to be interesting to see if the team get's their head out of their butts or if they just saunter off into mid tier hell.
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Went to the Sabres/Wings game last night. Sabres look solid, everywhere except in net. Tage Thompson (6 points with a hatty) is the real fuckin deal. Exciting team - I had a lot more fun watching that game, as opposed to the Leafs/Ducks game the night before.
As Babs told the team/fanbase 3 years ago just before the shit-canned him "Will beats skill".
Sabres blew the doors off in the 3rd period. Nedjelkovic can't stop a beach ball in goal right now.
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Went to the Sabres/Wings game last night. Sabres look solid, everywhere except in net. Tage Thompson (6 points with a hatty) is the real fuckin deal. Exciting team - I had a lot more fun watching that game, as opposed to the Leafs/Ducks game the night before.
As Babs told the team/fanbase 3 years ago just before the shit-canned him "Will beats skill".
Sabres blew the doors off in the 3rd period. Nedjelkovic can't stop a beach ball in goal right now.
Yeah, he's been questionable, Wings have shown fight in that game and spots of some other losses, but are looking overall much more like expected as opposed to their hot start. Still, there has been some things to get excited about. Given some names come back from the injured list AND they get a week or two of at least reasonably solid goaltending from both halves of the tandem they really could surprise some people and string some good stuff together.
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IMO this isn't Berube's mess....it's Armstrong's. He's had a good run of getting away with some questionable trades/non signings and signings that "shouldn't" have been as successful but were. I think now we're seeing some questionable off season decisions like not re-signing Perron and signing a washed up back up bite him in the ass. Perron was an 'identity' player and locker room glue type teammate. You can't put a price tag on that and Armstrong out though himself on that one.
It's going to be interesting to see if the team get's their head out of their butts or if they just saunter off into mid tier hell.
I agree, and Armstrong did come out today and say that this mess is on the players, not the coach, but not sure if that is the dreaded vote of confidence that goes out the window after another loss or two.
I totally agree about Perron. Even though he is getting up there, he is one of those characters you need. Same goes with Pat Maroon. Considering he would have come back following the Cup win for almost nothing, to show zero interest in bringing him back is something I will never understand.
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So that solid performance that the Kings had against the Blues, yesterday? It wasn't there today against the Stars. It was like the game against the Blues. Things were going smoothly and all of a sudden, Kings was popping goals left and right. Today, that happened the other way where the Stars was popping goals in a short period of time to where the game was out of reach for the Kings. So we've reach this part of the season where the team can be frustratingly inconsistent. I know this group can pull it together to score with at least three good lines and can play good defense and goaltending, but the D and goaltending hasn't been quite at the level I know this team is capable of.
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What a crazy game between the B's and the Penguins. Down 5-2, the B's come back to tie it outline their goalie and winning in OT. 9-1 so far this season.
Just crazy.
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What a crazy game between the B's and the Penguins. Down 5-2, the B's come back to tie it outline their goalie and winning in OT. 9-1 so far this season.
Just crazy.
Goalie gets pulled and still gets the win! :lol
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So that solid performance that the Kings had against the Blues, yesterday? It wasn't there today against the Stars. It was like the game against the Blues. Things were going smoothly and all of a sudden, Kings was popping goals left and right. Today, that happened the other way where the Stars was popping goals in a short period of time to where the game was out of reach for the Kings. So we've reach this part of the season where the team can be frustratingly inconsistent. I know this group can pull it together to score with at least three good lines and can play good defense and goaltending, but the D and goaltending hasn't been quite at the level I know this team is capable of.
Such a Jekyll and Hyde team, it seems. I was paying a lot more attention to the World Series, and my inclination was to blame Petersen, but the one goal I saw in real time definitely wasn't his fault. If they can consistently played like they did against STL, this will be a team to be reckoned with come April. If not....
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So that solid performance that the Kings had against the Blues, yesterday? It wasn't there today against the Stars. It was like the game against the Blues. Things were going smoothly and all of a sudden, Kings was popping goals left and right. Today, that happened the other way where the Stars was popping goals in a short period of time to where the game was out of reach for the Kings. So we've reach this part of the season where the team can be frustratingly inconsistent. I know this group can pull it together to score with at least three good lines and can play good defense and goaltending, but the D and goaltending hasn't been quite at the level I know this team is capable of.
Such a Jekyll and Hyde team, it seems. I was paying a lot more attention to the World Series, and my inclination was to blame Petersen, but the one goal I saw in real time definitely wasn't his fault. If they can consistently played like they did against STL, this will be a team to be reckoned with come April. If not....
Keep in mind while yes....the Kings played well in that game.....StL is struggling hard to play a competitive game right now. Lots of pieces that in the first three games had the appearance that were going to work good together....but, since then look lost as all hell. So, it was good for you guys that the Kings exploited StL in that way....but....they were also playing a team that is just going through the motions right now.
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So that solid performance that the Kings had against the Blues, yesterday? It wasn't there today against the Stars. It was like the game against the Blues. Things were going smoothly and all of a sudden, Kings was popping goals left and right. Today, that happened the other way where the Stars was popping goals in a short period of time to where the game was out of reach for the Kings. So we've reach this part of the season where the team can be frustratingly inconsistent. I know this group can pull it together to score with at least three good lines and can play good defense and goaltending, but the D and goaltending hasn't been quite at the level I know this team is capable of.
Such a Jekyll and Hyde team, it seems. I was paying a lot more attention to the World Series, and my inclination was to blame Petersen, but the one goal I saw in real time definitely wasn't his fault. If they can consistently played like they did against STL, this will be a team to be reckoned with come April. If not....
Keep in mind while yes....the Kings played well in that game.....StL is struggling hard to play a competitive game right now. Lots of pieces that in the first three games had the appearance that were going to work good together....but, since then look lost as all hell. So, it was good for you guys that the Kings exploited StL in that way....but....they were also playing a team that is just going through the motions right now.
Understood, but I could just as easily have said Toronto or Tampa. The Kings looked GREAT against Tampa and then were hot garbage for 40 minutes against Winnipeg. They then looked great against Toronto and St. Louis and laid an egg against Dallas. The consistency isn't there, and this team is capable of being better than a .500.
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So that solid performance that the Kings had against the Blues, yesterday? It wasn't there today against the Stars. It was like the game against the Blues. Things were going smoothly and all of a sudden, Kings was popping goals left and right. Today, that happened the other way where the Stars was popping goals in a short period of time to where the game was out of reach for the Kings. So we've reach this part of the season where the team can be frustratingly inconsistent. I know this group can pull it together to score with at least three good lines and can play good defense and goaltending, but the D and goaltending hasn't been quite at the level I know this team is capable of.
Such a Jekyll and Hyde team, it seems. I was paying a lot more attention to the World Series, and my inclination was to blame Petersen, but the one goal I saw in real time definitely wasn't his fault. If they can consistently played like they did against STL, this will be a team to be reckoned with come April. If not....
That's the trick for EVERY team... to consistently play your best hockey.
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Hell of a win for the Devils last night. We played Edmonton pretty even in the first and went into the intermission tied at 1. Edmonton jumped ahead 3-1 in the second period, which featured an injury-forced goaltender change for us. A goal early in the third brought us within one, and then two goals in a 7 second span with a few minutes left put us ahead. I'm starting to think we might be for real this year.
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Man.....the Blues are just bad right now. Thing is, I'm not sure there is any quick fix to this. It seems the black magic that Armstrong has used over the past decade with signing players that played above expectation and him not getting past his ego and re-signing Petro and Perron to name just two is finally catching up to him. A lot of players just absent and going through the motions. Pretty tough to watch after becoming accustomed to at least a competitive effort in every game for the past decade or so. This team looks BAD.
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Chad, is the B's/Leafs the "Hockey Night In Canada" game?
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Chad, is the B's/Leafs the "Hockey Night In Canada" game?
But of course. Toronto is the centre of the hockey universe afterall - as evidenced by the Leafs remaining the most financially valuable franchise at over $2B.
I think I'll be cranking out one of my Moving Pictures beers for the game. I'll text you a picture of my enjoyment around 7:15 ... before puck drop, as I'm sure my enjoyment will drop drastically after that :lol
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:lol
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It's still early in the season, but having gone in with two goaltenders both looking to make solid jumps to the next level it was entirely possible to go 1a/1b or 2a/2b with tandems. That's not at all how it's shaking out. We have a starter and a backup.
Nedeljkovic is sitting at .871 while Husso is at .934. And they've looked like the numbers would suggest.
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It's still early in the season, but having gone in with two goaltenders both looking to make solid jumps to the next level it was entirely possible to go 1a/1b or 2a/2b with tandems. That's not at all how it's shaking out. We have a starter and a backup.
Nedeljkovic is sitting at .871 while Husso is at .934. And they've looked like the numbers would suggest.
Husso's been solid in net so far. Ned only looked good against the Devils, and even then he looked like he was battling the puck a little. The team looks like they play better in front of Husso as well. Watching the third period of last night's game, Ned would've let in multiple goals on the same shots Husso was facing. Ned needs to sit for a while to work on his game.
Also, nice to see the Wings bounce back after getting shellacked in Buffalo. While they weren't 02 Wings good, they dug in and got the win. Nice to see Copp finally get his first of the year. Hopefully, he gets on a similar roll to Lucas Raymond after he got off the schneid. Then they need to help Seider get his game straightened out. It seems like he and Chiarot aren't gelling as well as expected. Weirdly enough, Hronek and Maatta have been the most consistent defensive pair for the Wings so far this season.
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Tim, WTF are the Bruins doing signing that despicable kid Miller?!
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Tim, WTF are the Bruins doing signing that despicable kid Miller?!
I don't know. Honestly I'm not as outraged as all of the talking heads were yesterday. I don't think it's a great idea though and it puts a lot of people in the organIzation in a tough spot. Like Bergeron wants to answer questions about it in Toronto tonight.
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That's the point though. It affects the team and a poor decision by management.
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And I thought it would be impossible for the Bruins to find someone more detestable than Brad Marchand. :o
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That's the point though. It affects the team and a poor decision by management.
Well, sure, but everyone seemed to be grabbing their pitchforks yesterday. A lot of it felt like manufactured outrage.
And I thought it would be impossible for the Bruins to find someone more detestable than Brad Marchand. :o
You all love would Brad Marchand! :lol
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And I thought it would be impossible for the Bruins to find someone more detestable than Brad Marchand. :o
I love our Rat. :lol
Tim, rightfully so they did. This kid showed no remorse in his bullying of a special needs kid. Even after juvie he continued the bullying. The judge wrote that he showed no remorse in what he did.
That's the real outgrage by most. Everyone deserves a second chance but this kid didn't even feel any remorse.
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You all love would Brad Marchand! :lol
I, too, would love having a guy like Brad Marchand on our team. I just don't want them to play against that guy, which I guess proves the point. Instead, all we have in that front is a guy that was suspended for biting Brady Tkachuk.
As for the kid that got signed, the B's management has really messed up where the coach wasn't consulted about it, Bergeron, and I presume the rest of the veterans, are saying it goes against their culture and what they stand for as players (which I will say they have a great level of culture and now they got to work with this guy?), and even Bettman is going, "I don't know if this kid even eligible to crack a NHL roster, the Bruins didn't consult the league, we would need to look into this."
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Tim. NHL stepped in and has blocked this kid from being able to play in the NHL.
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I get that it can be difficult to punish adults for what they did when they were kids, but what that guy did was way beyond the pale. Good for the NHL for stepping in.
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Tim. NHL stepped in and has blocked this kid from being able to play in the NHL.
I saw that. Even makes the decision even more baffling. It's so embarrassing.
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Tim. NHL stepped in and has blocked this kid from being able to play in the NHL.
I saw that. Even makes the decision even more baffling. It's so embarrassing.
You know you fucked up when Gary Bettman has the moral high ground.
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Tim. NHL stepped in and has blocked this kid from being able to play in the NHL.
I saw that. Even makes the decision even more baffling. It's so embarrassing.
I don’t know. Not condoning what he said/did but I’m sure glad I’m not being held hostage by the stupid crap I said and did when I was in 8th grade. We’re talking about a 14 year old kid doing something dumb. Not a 24 year old…..shoot…..even 18 year old. Not sure I agree that this kid can never make a living doing what he’s good at.
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Tim. NHL stepped in and has blocked this kid from being able to play in the NHL.
I saw that. Even makes the decision even more baffling. It's so embarrassing.
I don’t know. Not condoning what he said/did but I’m sure glad I’m not being held hostage by the stupid crap I said and did when I was in 8th grade. We’re talking about a 14 year old kid doing something dumb. Not a 24 year old…..shoot…..even 18 year old. Not sure I agree that this kid can never make a living doing what he’s good at.
Gary, I don't disagree with you. My posts above illustrate that.
To me, what I was saying is embarrassing is not knowing where the NHL stood on this before signing the kid.
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I think it's not just that he did the actions when he was 14. It was more of the fact that to this day, according to various reports, that all the guy did to show any hints of remorse was nothing more than an "Instagram" apology post. Didn't talk to the victim or the victim's family in person to own his mistakes. It just doesn't seem like he (and his family) thought what he did was really messed up and scarred another person pretty badly when it was unwarranted. Should a team give him a contract to reward that kind of behavior and mentality?
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Tim. NHL stepped in and has blocked this kid from being able to play in the NHL.
I saw that. Even makes the decision even more baffling. It's so embarrassing.
You know you fucked up when Gary Bettman has the moral high ground.
Quote of the day right there :rollin
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Tim. NHL stepped in and has blocked this kid from being able to play in the NHL.
I saw that. Even makes the decision even more baffling. It's so embarrassing.
I don’t know. Not condoning what he said/did but I’m sure glad I’m not being held hostage by the stupid crap I said and did when I was in 8th grade. We’re talking about a 14 year old kid doing something dumb. Not a 24 year old…..shoot…..even 18 year old. Not sure I agree that this kid can never make a living doing what he’s good at.
The problem Gary is that he's never shown remorse for what he did. The Judge in juvenile court put that in his statement. He even continued it after juvie.
So that's the big uproar.
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The bigger issue is that this wasn't just one stupid thing he did as a kid. This was years of cruel, racist and abusive behavior.
Ultimately, the big takeaway is that sports teams are willing to sign anyone if they think they can help them win. I doubt this surprises anyone.
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He even continued it after juvenile court snd to this day shows no remorse. That's why people are in an uproar.
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He was one of those kids that someone needed to beat the crap out of in high school. I am sure the "violent is never the answer" crowd will disagree, but a bully is never the same after getting punched in the teeth.
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I'm with you. Sometimes it takes a good person to step over the line to set things straight.
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Too early to get too excited.
But the team is too new to NOT get excited.
The Kraken in 2nd place? Turbo with a game winner against his old team? What not to love?? GO KRAKEN!!!!
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Well, yesterday's Kings/Panthers game was pretty crazy. Quick and Bobrovsky didn't have the greatest of games which resulted in a 5-4 game. A goal was waived off because Matthew Tkachuk slightly elbowed Quick which counted as goalie interference. Doughty shot the puck, incidentally, to two Panthers players hard. The winning goal from Vilardi was with about 3 minutes left in the game. Tkachuk getting all close to Quick in the closing minute led him to "accidentally" put his stick through Quick's mask while Quick was making a save and with like 1 second left, Quick had enough of that and wanted a piece of Tkachuk which led to a scramble. Sadly, no Tkachuk/Brendan Lemieux fight (and the camera keep flashing at him since he really wanted a piece of Matthew).
At least, they scored in the last minute of the second period and that means a free McFlurry for SoCal at McDonald's for today. Neat.
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At least, they scored in the last minute of the second period and that means a free McFlurry for SoCal at McDonald's for today. Neat.
Wait...what? It's not just for the folks in attendance?! Awesome!
My first reaction to that scrum was that there were still 3-4 seconds left when Quick decided to stop playing his position and go after Tkachuk. Can you imagine if the puck had gone in? But I really wanted to see Quick drop the gloves. Of course, Kopitar wasn't going to let that happen.
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My first reaction to that scrum was that there were still 3-4 seconds left when Quick decided to stop playing his position and go after Tkachuk. Can you imagine if the puck had gone in? But I really wanted to see Quick drop the gloves. Of course, Kopitar wasn't going to let that happen.
Looks like Tkachuk took a whack at Quick's face with his stick like 30 seconds before that, so I was fine with the Kings gang tackling Tkachuk and trying to pound him. Cheap shots in hockey are not unusual, which is why doofuses like Kadri have careers, but you have to protect your goalie from dirty play like that.
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At least, they scored in the last minute of the second period and that means a free McFlurry for SoCal at McDonald's for today. Neat.
Wait...what? It's not just for the folks in attendance?! Awesome!
Yeah, it's under the rewards/deals section of the McDonald's app for today for anyone in the region. I enjoyed four of those last season.
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Damn, the Bruins are utterly clueless. They rescinded their contract to Miller and then referred to his behavior as "an isolated incident." Are they really this dense?
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Neely/Sweeney done fucked up this one. Bigly.
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He even continued it after juvenile court snd to this day shows no remorse. That's why people are in an uproar.
He was one of those kids that someone needed to beat the crap out of in high school. I am sure the "violent is never the answer" crowd will disagree, but a bully is never the same after getting punched in the teeth.
I'm with you. Sometimes it takes a good person to step over the line to set things straight.
Damn, the Bruins are utterly clueless. They rescinded their contract to Miller and then referred to his behavior as "an isolated incident." Are they really this dense?
Neely/Sweeney done fucked up this one. Bigly.
So....I'll admit I was not 100% in the know on the backstory on this. I read a blurb about him being 14 when this all went down and that spurned my initial comment. After digging into it a bit and seeing that this wasn't just some 'teenage aloofness' issue and that this was more involved and his 'apologies' are just canned PR crap....I'm on board with how the NHL is handling this.
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After a disastrous western road trip, the Leafs have shown the fanbase why we hate them so much, by stringing 3 wins against the (at the time) 3 best points % teams in the East. They had no right even being in the game yesterday against Carolina before it even started... back-2-back + road game + travel + backup (4th on the depth chart) goalie + less than 24 hours between games. Yet they still gutted out a very nice win.
Damn frustrating when they play up (and down) to the level of their competition. How does the team with these three recent wins also lose to Montreal, Arizona, San Jose, and Anaheim!?!?! :facepalm:
Let's see what the Vegas game brings tomorrow. Oh, and that 4th-string goalie is now their starter for the next couple of weeks, with the first 3 all being injured.
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The Mitchell Miller Era is over in Boston.
Gee that was fun. The moment they announced the signing I knew the Bruins would lose in Toronto.
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The Mitchell Miller Era is over in Boston.
Gee that was fun. The moment they announced the signing I knew the Bruins would lose in Toronto.
Well....you're playing the Blues tonight so you're win streak will start over.
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Finger's crossed. :lol
Between Don and Cam, they either sound like idiots who did not do the due diligence or they are most likely thought they wouldn't receive this much backlash.
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The Mitchell Miller Era is over in Boston.
Gee that was fun. The moment they announced the signing I knew the Bruins would lose in Toronto.
Well....you're playing the Blues tonight so you're win streak will start over.
I think they'll have a much better effort than Saturday night's.
Between Don and Cam, they either sound like idiots who did not do the due diligence, or they are most likely thought they wouldn't receive this much backlash.
It's both.
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Yeah, I thought that too.
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The Mitchell Miller Era is over in Boston.
Gee that was fun. The moment they announced the signing I knew the Bruins would lose in Toronto.
Well....you're playing the Blues tonight so you're win streak will start over.
I think they'll have a much better effort than Saturday night's.
I don't think there was much wrong with their effort - it was pretty even from an offensive zone and possession standpoint. There were a few stretches where the Bs looked like they were in control. Looking at the box score, they didn't have a bad effort (SOG were low, but the Leafs blocked a bunch). It was a pretty tight game for both sides the way I saw it..
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The Mitchell Miller Era is over in Boston.
Gee that was fun. The moment they announced the signing I knew the Bruins would lose in Toronto.
Well....you're playing the Blues tonight so you're win streak will start over.
I think they'll have a much better effort than Saturday night's.
I don't think there was much wrong with their effort - it was pretty even from an offensive zone and possession standpoint. There were a few stretches where the Bs looked like they were in control. Looking at the box score, they didn't have a bad effort (SOG were low, but the Leafs blocked a bunch). It was a pretty tight game for both sides the way I saw it..
So I thought Toronto had a great game plan against the Bruins. They all retreated to their blue line and stifled the bruins from gaining any speed through the neutral zone. They also clogged up the middle of their D-zone and had good sticks on a lot of passes.
I felt the Bruins were off, especially offensively. They weren't skating and creating, as they seemed to telegraph a lot of their passes in the Leafs' zone. Lots of pucks bouncing over sticks and whiffs on pucks. Pasta and Marchand particularly.
Like I said, not downplaying the Leafs' role in it..
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No disagreement there. The Leafs had a couple games like that - Matthews nearly outright whiffed on a one-timer, and I couldn't believe the number of passes that hit his stick on the tape, then bounced away.
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Also, that pass Ovi made to Kuznetsov for the GWG last night was absolutely filthy.
Edmonton does not look good, no matter who they have in net. Dubas is looking like a genius in letting Campbell walk.
But they still look better than the Blues. Sheesh. I almost feel bad for Gary/Kev :lol. As the old saying goes, you can't play your way IN to the Playoffs by November, but you sure can play your way OUT of the playoffs. 2019 was lightning in a bottle. They better get their act together quick, or it's gonna be a fire-sale, and they might find themselves in the running for Bedard!
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That 3rd period of the B's/Blues was an onslaught of pressure in the Blues zone for it felt like most of the period.
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2019 was lightning in a bottle.
Ehh...I get what you're saying BUT had Covid never happened they're defending their cup against the Lightning that season. They were on a heater heading into the playoffs....Binnington was in the zone....every other team in the Western conference was playing like ass.....zero doubt in my mind they roll through the West to defend their title. Then we know what happened.....Covid and that little joke of a tournament. BUT...I know what you're saying....their window was brief.
And the reason it was brief is because Doug Armstrong....for all the 'good' deals and signings he made...his EGO has put the Blues where they're at now. His refusal to give Petrangelo (and any other player for that matter) a 'no movement' clause essentially was the beginning of the end. The $$$ was there with Petro...he wanted the no movement and Armstrong has never given out one of those. Something he continually brags about and pounds his chest on like it's some sort of crowning achievement. What the Blues are experiencing right now is ALL on him. Period.
He could have re-signed Perron...yes....an aging veteran who is streaky in his play and has a concussion history BUT was also an incredible teammate and a vital locker room presence. By not resigning him you changed the chemistry of the room AND showed O'Reily the writing on the wall after this...his final season in his contract. Armstrong has historically taken a 'my way or the highway' approach with aging veterans....he did it with Backes, Petro and Perron and he'll do it with O'Reily and Tarasenko. So what's their incentive to commit to the team?
And, there are rumblings that several veteran players are LIVID about the 8 year $65 million dollar contract that Kyrou was signed to given he really hasn't 'earned' it. He's a massive defensive liability and hasn't 'learned' to play a full 200 ft game AND shows no signs of being able to after 2-1/2 years in the league.
So, while I appreciate the 'almost' feel sorry Chad....in my eyes....Armstrong is reaping what he has sewn with this team. Paryako, Schenn, Faulk and Krug all have these no trade deals and full term (7) year deals so he could keep the AAV down...but Paryako, Schenn and Krug are already starting to look like horrible deals and they have YEARS left on their contracts. It's a cluster :censored for sure and while it sucks to watch the bottom was always going to fall out at some point. I just thought we had another couple seasons before it did. Might as well get it over with and usher in the next era.
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That 3rd period of the B's/Blues was an onslaught of pressure in the Blues zone for it felt like most of the period.
Yep. And, if not for Binnington.....that's a 8-1 game. He's not been the problem this season. He's played great and has looked sharp. The issue is we have zero heart and buy in on the team.
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That 3rd period of the B's/Blues was an onslaught of pressure in the Blues zone for it felt like most of the period.
Yep. And, if not for Binnington.....that's a 8-1 game. He's not been the problem this season. He's played great and has looked sharp. The issue is we have zero heart and buy in on the team.
For sure. My brother was text swearing at him to me. LOL
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He was giving me G7 1st period flashbacks. I almost vomited.
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He was giving me G7 1st period flashbacks. I almost vomited.
:lol I actually thought about that. Like, what do Tim and Joe 'think' when Binnington makes another really good save. Does the blood start to boil..... :lol
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He was giving me G7 1st period flashbacks. I almost vomited.
:lol I actually thought about that. Like, what do Tim and Joe 'think' when Binnington makes another really good save. Does the blood start to boil..... :lol
See my post about my brother texting me. :lol
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Loved watching the Wings in the past few games. Ville Husso has been a stud so far in net (4-1-1, 1.86 GAA, .941 save percentage, and 2 shutouts), and David Perron has been a nice glue guy on special teams (see the game winning goal against the Rangers on Sunday). Blackhawks castoff Dominik Kubalik has been even more impressive. With injuries to Todd Bertuzzi and Jakob Vrana entering the NHL Player Assistance Program, he's really shined with more ice time, to the tune of a team-leading 15 points in 12 games. Dylan Larkin has been off to a great start as well with 15 pts in 12 games, and Lucas Raymond has started to come on as well. It's their best start since 2010-2011, when they went 8-3-1 to start the year.
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He was giving me G7 1st period flashbacks.
Every now and then I'll go back and re-watch that first period.....he 100% won the Cup for StL that period. No doubt about it. And, had that little BS fanned on knuckle puck goal not been scored at the end of the game when it didn't matter....he wins MVP.
Anyway.....the Bruins are looking legit. Happy for Montgomery (and you two). He's a good dude. He was the referee at a scrimmage game the team I coached played last year....we played it at the Centene Center which is the Blue's practice facility. One of the Blues alumni had a kid on the other team so I guess he lined up Montgomery to be the Ref. Super nice guy. Talked to us coaches a lot and was really vocal with all the kids playing....kind of helping them out and 'coaching' them as he officiated.
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That's very cool Gary. Guys seem to react well to him. Funny, look at Golden Knights. They are reacting to Cassidy. Both teams needed different approaches for their teams.
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Taking out the Ducks who I expected to be not great at a goal differential of -22, the gap between a surprising -16 blues and a -25 Columbus is astounding. I haven't seen any of their games, are they really as bad as that early number would suggest?
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Taking out the Ducks who I expected to be not great at a goal differential of -22, the gap between a surprising -16 blues and a -25 Columbus is astounding. I haven't seen any of their games, are they really as bad as that early number would suggest?
Blues - YES
The Blues have very inconsistent pressure in the 'O' zone....for the most part.....it's a lot of one and done scenarios. Hardly any cycling of the puck, just lazy play. They over pass and routinely miss the net.
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The Blues are done. I am gonna be ticked if Berube takes the fall for this. This is on the players. Time to trade the veterans who don't want to be here anymore and start planning for the future. If you are pissed about Kyrou's contract, go cry about it somewhere else. Sadly, I doubt anyone is dumb enough to trade for Parayko and take on that contract, so that is an albatross that will linger, but it is what it is.
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The Blues are done. I am gonna be ticked if Berube takes the fall for this. This is on the players. Time to trade the veterans who don't want to be here anymore and start planning for the future. If you are pissed about Kyrou's contract, go cry about it somewhere else. Sadly, I doubt anyone is dumb enough to trade for Parayko and take on that contract, so that is an albatross that will linger, but it is what it is.
Yeah…..it’s ugly right now.
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The Blues are done. I am gonna be ticked if Berube takes the fall for this. This is on the players. Time to trade the veterans who don't want to be here anymore and start planning for the future. If you are pissed about Kyrou's contract, go cry about it somewhere else. Sadly, I doubt anyone is dumb enough to trade for Parayko and take on that contract, so that is an albatross that will linger, but it is what it is.
Yeah…..it’s ugly right now.
Man, I was watching the Red Wings on both sides of the hockey game I was playing in, but I checked in on the Flyers stats and my worst fears for you guys were confirmed.
I can see the Flyers, though otherwise okay at best, beating any team as long as Carter Hart stays in Carey Price god carry mode. So losing 5-1 you'd still have given up way too many goals than you should have. But you gave the previously 0-8 Felix Sandstrom his first win with only one goal against. And that's... not great.
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The Blues are done. I am gonna be ticked if Berube takes the fall for this. This is on the players. Time to trade the veterans who don't want to be here anymore and start planning for the future. If you are pissed about Kyrou's contract, go cry about it somewhere else. Sadly, I doubt anyone is dumb enough to trade for Parayko and take on that contract, so that is an albatross that will linger, but it is what it is.
Yeah…..it’s ugly right now.
Man, I was watching the Red Wings on both sides of the hockey game I was playing in, but I checked in on the Flyers stats and my worst fears for you guys were confirmed.
I can see the Flyers, though otherwise okay at best, beating any team as long as Carter Hart stays in Carey Price god carry mode. So losing 5-1 you'd still have given up way too many goals than you should have. But you gave the previously 0-8 Felix Sandstrom his first win with only one goal against. And that's... not great.
Well....there was a perfect example of how things are going that happened early in the first. Robert Thomas had a WIDE open net from a foot away and he went to tuck it bar down and fired it over the net. I think the Blues hit another post that period also. It's just not good at all.
Last week Armstrong held a press conference (since then we've lost three more straight) and said this was ALL on the players....that Berube was 'safe'.....and that if they didn't turn it around he'd tear the team down and start over. Which, I get....BUT....without looking I'd say 90% of his 'tradable' players have No Trade Clauses. Not that you can't trade them but they pretty much control where they go.
Anyway, as I lamented earlier.....this whole thing is on HIM....not the players. His ego is the reason they are where they are.
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Make it 7 in a row for the Devils. I would have liked to have seen a stronger overall performance given that we were well rested and Calgary was on the second half of a back-to-back, but a win's a win. Feels like games where we've won when maybe we should have lost thanks to our goalie have been hard to come by the last few years, but Vitek Vanecek has been great for us in almost every start this season.
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I gotta say, I think the Devils might be the most shocking / surprising team so far this season, imo.
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I gotta say, I think the Devils might be the most shocking / surprising team so far this season, imo.
For sure. Refreshing to see.
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So...Tkachuk got 2 games for trying to poke out Jonathan Quick's eye, while Kirill Kaprizov got a match penalty last night for trying to lop off Drew Doughty's chin with his stick. WTF?!
I get that Doughty's an irritant, but is it open season on the Kings or something?!
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So...Tkachuk got 2 games for trying to poke out Jonathan Quick's eye, while Kirill Kaprizov got a match penalty last night for trying to lop off Drew Doughty's chin with his stick. WTF?!
I get that Doughty's an irritant, but is it open season on the Kings or something?!
I don't think it's a Kings issue.
Can't speak to the Kirill situation, but Tkachuk is an easy answer: he's kind of a piece of garbage.
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So...Tkachuk got 2 games for trying to poke out Jonathan Quick's eye, while Kirill Kaprizov got a match penalty last night for trying to lop off Drew Doughty's chin with his stick. WTF?!
I get that Doughty's an irritant, but is it open season on the Kings or something?!
It's always open season when teams see the Kings' PP success rate. The Kings have the most amount of PPs drawn in the league so far. I imagine the refs will pick up on that and maybe "miss" a few calls that could be Kings PPs. That means other teams will take liberty on playing the Kings a little more rough since it either means they can get away with a call when it could have been warranted or give a Kings a PP that would not convert. That's something I did feel like the Oilers pick up on well during the playoff series when they had the clear special team edge.
Now in their defense with the Kings/Wild game yesterday, MAF was playing a lot better in net than he did the last two times he played against the Kings. I just wished they converted on that Kaprizov major to put the dagger in early for the game. I will settle for Gabe Vilardi scoring another game winning goal with a couple minutes left in the 3rd. The Kings did dominate the possession game for most of the game. Didn't think the Wild had as much threatening looks the other way and they got deflated hard after Kaprizov got ejected.
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I gotta say, I think the Devils might be the most shocking / surprising team so far this season, imo.
I gotta say, I think the Devils might be the most shocking / surprising team so far this season, imo.
For sure. Refreshing to see.
Yeah, I think at this point the Devils fanbase is pretty pleasantly surprised so far as well. We expected to take a step forward this year, and when the first two games were ugly things got sour pretty fast ("Fire Lindy" chants at our home opener). A few different things playing into this year's success so far:
- Better goaltending. Our puck possession/scoring chance metrics were consistent with at least a fringe playoff contender last year, but we had I think the worst goaltending in the league (if not, neck and neck with Seattle for that distinction). Even without improvement elsewhere, better goaltending than we got last year has been a boon
- Bolstered defense. One thing our GM has done a great job of is picking up defensemen for non-premium assets from teams with a salary cap and/or expansion draft squeeze on their own rosters. We didn't give up all that much for any of Jonas Siegenthaler, Ryan Graves, or most recently John Marino, and all three have worked out very well in NJ.
- Better health (so far, knock on wood). The stat that I think best exemplifies that is that this most recent 12 games we've played are the first time that Nico Hischier, Jesper Bratt, and Jack Hughes have all played 12 consecutive games together. This is Jack Hughes' 4th year (and the others have been here longer). That speaks to how injury-bitten we've been at the top of our forwards depth chart. Dougie Hamilton is also looking noticeably better this year, we found out afterwards that he played most of last season with a nagging lower body injury.
I don't know that they'll be able to keep up this pace throughout the whole season, but it's been a blast so far. We've got a couple more should-wins coming up to hopefully keep stockpiling early points before some inevitable lulls through the season.
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Better start leads to better seating in playoffs.
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Better start leads to better seating in playoffs.
Maybe get a seat near the ice!
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Much better than a seat on the couch
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Bingo.
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Bruins are playing Calgary tonight. Other than the Bruins and the Islanders, they have my favorite uniforms. Love the colors.
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McAvoy with a goal in his first game back!!
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Hot damn, 8 in a row! Really entertaining game tonight, Devs and Senators traded 1 goal leads back and forth until they were tied at 3 in the third. The Devils had to bring in a 22 year old backup fresh from the AHL because Vanecek left the game with an injury and the kid made a few huge saves while the Devils killed off a 2 minute penalty in OT. Then Dougie Hamilton buried one with like 30 seconds left in overtime while the Devils were on a powerplay of their own.
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The Blues won a game!
It's an early Christmas miracle!!
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Nice road win in Vegas tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
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Nice road win in Vegas tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
(https://y.yarn.co/fb2b58d7-d7bc-44be-a154-b400f460d4da_text.gif)
This year has been so up and down for so many teams - more than a handful have looked so good at times, while looking so bad at others. It seems the only thing that's been consistent is the inconsistency. :lol
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Nice road win in Vegas tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
Nice! I couldn't stay awake for it (old man problems :lol), but seeing that they won at Vegas, who has been red hot, is a nice surprise to wake up and see.
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Nice road win in Vegas tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
(https://y.yarn.co/fb2b58d7-d7bc-44be-a154-b400f460d4da_text.gif)
This year has been so up and down for so many teams - more than a handful have looked so good at times, while looking so bad at others. It seems the only thing that's been consistent is the inconsistency. :lol
No kidding. I’ve already made the adjustment mentally to just take what we get from the Blues. They’re not a ‘championship’ level team at all. I mean, sure there’s always a chance they get hot at the right time but they’re not in the realm of thr juggernaut’s of the league at all.
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This year has been so up and down for so many teams - more than a handful have looked so good at times, while looking so bad at others. It seems the only thing that's been consistent is the inconsistency. :lol
Yep. I do feel like the Kings are slowly coming into form, defensively-wise. Quick is starting to feel like Quick and played like it in his last four starts (with the exception of the Panthers game). Cal Petersen still needs some help and confidence and good support from the team in the D zone, but I got good confidence in them smoothing their issues out. This next road trip will suck (Flames, Oilers, Canucks, and Kraken). The Kings needs to play at peak condition to get those pts against Pacific division teams.
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Nice road win in Vegas tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
Nice! I couldn't stay awake for it (old man problems :lol), but seeing that they won at Vegas, who has been red hot, is a nice surprise to wake up and see.
Looks like Vegas had the dreaded 'first game at home letdown after a long road trip' game.
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Nice road win in Vegas tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
Nice road win in Denver tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
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Nice road win in Vegas tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
Nice road win in Denver tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
Maybe they just needed to get away from their toxic fanbase! :neverusethis:
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Nice road win in Vegas tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
Nice road win in Denver tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
Maybe they just needed to get away from their toxic fanbase! :neverusethis:
Probably :lol
Killing off a 5 on 3 that turned into a 6 on 3 for the last 1:44 of the game against the #1 PP unit in the league was heart attack city! Couple huge saves and blocks and then a deep sigh of relief!
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Nice road win in Vegas tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
Nice road win in Denver tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
Maybe they just needed to get away from their toxic fanbase! :neverusethis:
:lol
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In case anyone hasn't yet seen Triumph on Hockey Night in Canada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MApKx3lOJc
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In case anyone hasn't yet seen Triumph on Hockey Night in Canada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MApKx3lOJc
Thanks for posting that. I didn't catch the game on Saturday until the 3rd period, and was wondering why every commercial break was led out by a Triumph track!
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In case anyone hasn't yet seen Triumph on Hockey Night in Canada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MApKx3lOJc
Thanks for posting that. I didn't catch the game on Saturday until the 3rd period, and was wondering why every commercial break was led out by a Triumph track!
Sweet! Mike Levine always seemed to be wearing a hockey jersey when they played live.
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Talk about class personified
https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/tage-thompson-shares-the-classy-comments-that-patrice-bergeron-had-for-him-prior-to-puck-drop
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I've said it before, but I would have his baby.
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My friends who moved to Denver five years ago went to the Blues/Avs game last night, and my friend Callie sent me this pic of what they showed on the scoreboard.
(https://i.ibb.co/gjSf5Dj/Resized-20221114-202053.jpg)
To unpack it, it is implying that the rooting for the Blues is like rooting for the bad guys (the anti-hero), and the lyric they have listed, "It must be exhausting always rooting for the anti-hero," is from the chorus of Taylor Swift's Anti-Hero which is currently the number 1 song in the country. Too funny. :lol :lol
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Talk about class personified
https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/tage-thompson-shares-the-classy-comments-that-patrice-bergeron-had-for-him-prior-to-puck-drop
Incredible. Bergeron is the kind of player/person that makes it really hard(er) to hate Boston.
Not impossible, but hard(er). :lol
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Devils up to ten in a row. Should be a fun game on Thursday Chad.
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Devils up to ten in a row. Should be a fun game on Thursday Chad.
Indeed. I don't mean to diminish the Devils' streak (I already said they're the most surprising team to me), but 6 of the 9 teams they've played on this streak were not playoff teams last year (and most don't look like they'll be so again this year)*. Now, victories aren't always easy to come by (the Leafs have LOST to the Coyotes, Ducks, Sharks and Canadiens already this year!), so it's impressive that the Devils are taking care of business - and taking the Ws in OT (where the Leafs are falling short).
All in all, it should be an entertaining game. I'll be tuning in for sure.
*only Avs, Oil, Flames they've beaten on this streak. And in looking at their entire record, they've played mostly non-playoff teams so far this year (11/16 games). I'm sure I'll be eating crow Thursday night for this blasphemy! :lol
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Indeed. I don't mean to diminish the Devils' streak (I already said they're the most surprising team to me), but 6 of the 9 teams they've played on this streak were not playoff teams last year (and most don't look like they'll be so again this year)*.
Have you done this analysis for the Bruins? They're off to a great start but they have also played some sucky teams too.
I've been thinking about looking at their strength of schedule myself.
EDIT:
9 of the Bruins 16 games have been against LY playoff teams, going 8-1 in those games with a Road Loss to Toronto, but also including Road Victories in Wash, Pitts, and NYR.
To balance that, they also have wins against lower teams such as the Pens, Blues, Van, Buff, and the Ducks.
According to this..
http://powerrankingsguru.com/nhl/strength-of-schedule.php
The Devils have played the easiest schedule so far and the Bruins have played the 5th easiest.
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Nice link. I find it a little comical that in the power rankings, Leafs are behind both Florida and Tampa, while having a better points percentage and tougher strength-of-schedule than both :D. You can't even call it a bias towards last season performance, otherwise the Knights and Bruins wouldn't be ranking so high (which BTW, I think those are top 2 teams in the league atm).
It's still relatively early, and things will shake out as time goes on. I'm not putting any stock into the regular season. The Leafs could be a wildcard team for all I care - their playoff performance is the only thing that matters.
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It's still relatively early, and things will shake out as time goes on. I'm not putting any stock into the regular season. The Leafs could be a wildcard team for all I care - their playoff performance is the only thing that matters.
Right.
Any 15 game stretch can skew the rankings big time.
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It's still relatively early, and things will shake out as time goes on. I'm not putting any stock into the regular season. The Leafs could be a wildcard team for all I care - their playoff performance is the only thing that matters.
Right.
Any 15 game stretch can skew the rankings big time.
Good and bad. Remember a few years back, Buffalo went 8-1-1 to start the season, then had TWO 10-game winless streaks throughout the season.
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No, I don't remember. :lol
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Nice road win in Vegas tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
Nice road win in Denver tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
Nice road win in Chicago tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
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Nice road win in Vegas tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
Nice road win in Denver tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
Nice road win in Chicago tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
I mean, it is Chicago.
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Nice road win in Vegas tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
Nice road win in Denver tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
Nice road win in Chicago tonight by the Blues. Looked like a real hockey team.
I mean, it is Chicago.
Which could have been a ‘let down’ game…..especially after beating Vegas and Colorado back to back. So I’m happy they throttled the Hawks because they ‘should’ have.
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Devils up to ten in a row. Should be a fun game on Thursday Chad.
Indeed. I don't mean to diminish the Devils' streak (I already said they're the most surprising team to me), but 6 of the 9 teams they've played on this streak were not playoff teams last year (and most don't look like they'll be so again this year)*. Now, victories aren't always easy to come by (the Leafs have LOST to the Coyotes, Ducks, Sharks and Canadiens already this year!), so it's impressive that the Devils are taking care of business - and taking the Ws in OT (where the Leafs are falling short).
All in all, it should be an entertaining game. I'll be tuning in for sure.
*only Avs, Oil, Flames they've beaten on this streak. And in looking at their entire record, they've played mostly non-playoff teams so far this year (11/16 games). I'm sure I'll be eating crow Thursday night for this blasphemy! :lol
Oh for sure, definitely aware that we've played an easier schedule so far this year. There are a couple quality wins tucked in that streak and I'm looking forward to seeing how we measure up as the schedule toughens.
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Weird game. I went from "The Blues are rolling" to "I just hope we can get to OT to get a point" to "Hey, we won the game!" in a little over two hours.
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Weird game. I went from "The Blues are rolling" to "I just hope we can get to OT to get a point" to "Hey, we won the game!" in a little over two hours.
Yeah. I’ll take the ‘W’. Second game of a back to back…..back up goalie playing who honestly isn’t all that good but he played his butt off tonight……legs just weren’t there after the road trip and back to back.
But it’s a ‘win’. Five in a row and Back to .500.
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Devils were the better team last night - I'm not sure how much of that was their good play, or the Leafs poor play. Some combination of a very good forecheck by the former and/or very sloppy d-zone play by the latter. The Leafs had no right to even get it to OT, and then the last 10 seconds of the game was the perfect encapsulation of the previous 60 minutes of play.
Two of the last three teams to have an 11-game winning streak went on to win the Stanley Cup.
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I only half caught the game because I was on the phone with the parents, but it seemed like the Leafs had the better play out of the gates and the Devils seemed to only really wake up after they got on the board.
Two of the last three teams to have an 11-game winning streak went on to win the Stanley Cup.
Great stat :biggrin:
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Ahem. ;D
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Weird game. I went from "The Blues are rolling" to "I just hope we can get to OT to get a point" to "Hey, we won the game!" in a little over two hours.
Yeah. I’ll take the ‘W’. Second game of a back to back…..back up goalie playing who honestly isn’t all that good but he played his butt off tonight……legs just weren’t there after the road trip and back to back.
But it’s a ‘win’. Five in a row and Back to .500.
It's uncanny. This team looked dead in the water 10 days ago. Now, a 5-game winning streak later, they are back in the mix.
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Weird game. I went from "The Blues are rolling" to "I just hope we can get to OT to get a point" to "Hey, we won the game!" in a little over two hours.
Yeah. I’ll take the ‘W’. Second game of a back to back…..back up goalie playing who honestly isn’t all that good but he played his butt off tonight……legs just weren’t there after the road trip and back to back.
But it’s a ‘win’. Five in a row and Back to .500.
It's uncanny. This team looked dead in the water 10 days ago. Now, a 5-game winning streak later, they are back in the mix.
It's weird.....a lot of teams playing with multiple personalities this year. It's the no in between that's odd. They've looked 'really good' or 'really bad'. :lol
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The Bruins have had a pretty favorable strength of schedule so far, but after tomorrow's game against Chicago, their next 10 games are:
@ TB
@ Florida
Canes
TB
Avs
Vegas
@ Avs
@ AZ
@ Vegas
NYI
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Plus 10 of their games have been at home too so far.
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B's up 5-1 outshooting the Blackhawks 40 - 16.
That's insane.
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Holy shit Chicago blows. The game hasn't even been that close.
The B's run the gauntlet for their next 10 games though.
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Time to win on the rode.
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Buffalo be Buffalo'g - hot October followed by an ice-cold November. Man they did not look good last night, and when they did get their chances, Matt Murray looked REALLY good. If Samsonov comes back and plays like he did before he got injured, this has a very good chance of being a nice tandem between the pipes.
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Weird game. I went from "The Blues are rolling" to "I just hope we can get to OT to get a point" to "Hey, we won the game!" in a little over two hours.
Yeah. I’ll take the ‘W’. Second game of a back to back…..back up goalie playing who honestly isn’t all that good but he played his butt off tonight……legs just weren’t there after the road trip and back to back.
But it’s a ‘win’. Five in a row and Back to .500.
It's uncanny. This team looked dead in the water 10 days ago. Now, a 5-game winning streak later, they are back in the mix.
It's weird.....a lot of teams playing with multiple personalities this year. It's the no in between that's odd. They've looked 'really good' or 'really bad'. :lol
Really good again last night! :metal :metal
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Weird game. I went from "The Blues are rolling" to "I just hope we can get to OT to get a point" to "Hey, we won the game!" in a little over two hours.
Yeah. I’ll take the ‘W’. Second game of a back to back…..back up goalie playing who honestly isn’t all that good but he played his butt off tonight……legs just weren’t there after the road trip and back to back.
But it’s a ‘win’. Five in a row and Back to .500.
It's uncanny. This team looked dead in the water 10 days ago. Now, a 5-game winning streak later, they are back in the mix.
It's weird.....a lot of teams playing with multiple personalities this year. It's the no in between that's odd. They've looked 'really good' or 'really bad'. :lol
Really good again last night! :metal :metal
Keep it in your pant, tiger ... it was the Ducks* - they don't even have a regulation time win yet.
*(he says somewhat tongue-in-cheek since the Leafs blew a 3-1 against the Ducks)
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Up to an even dozen for the Devils with yesterday's 5-1 win over Ottowa. A couple nice things to see from that W: 1) Balanced scoring, our first three goals came from our 3rd line, 4th line, and 2nd unit power play. One of our strengths this season has been our ability to get contributions from the entire roster. 2) Ability to recover from a loss of momentum. Ottowa started picking up some momentum late in the 2nd period, Cam Talbot made an absolutely ridiculous save to keep the game at 3-0, the Sens scored shortly after, and then they picked up a power play right after that. All of a sudden the building got *loud* for the start of that PP, but a quick shorthanded goal stopped all of that momentum and effectively sealed the deal.
Also saw a fun fact that we're possibly the first team to sweep both the Western Canadian (Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver) and Eastern Canadian (Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa) road trips in the same season.
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Bergeron's assist gives him 1,000 points. The whole team came out to congratulate him. B's beating the Lightning 4-1. They are trucking.
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Lot of B's fans there tonight.
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Lots of bluebirds down there.
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We've seen the Bruins a couple of times in Tampa.
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The Bruins have had a pretty favorable strength of schedule so far, but after tomorrow's game against Chicago, their next 10 games are:
@ TB W 5-3
@ Florida
Canes
TB
Avs
Vegas
@ Avs
@ AZ
@ Vegas
NYI
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Man the Leafs need to work on their 3-3 game. 1-5 in OT this year so far. Welp
Just like last year, they may find themselves regretting not earning those points come the end of the season.
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Blues set a record last night with their 7th in a row….. Blues now have the longest winning streak in league history following a losing streak of eight or more games. they had lost 8 in a row…..and have now won 7 in a row. What a random stat.
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A huge Sine Wave Gary.
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Quick takes on the Oilers at the quarter mark of the season:
- Connor being Connor. He's almost certainly going to win the Art Ross, and he's looking good to compete for the Rocket
- No complaints about Leon either
- Goaltending, as expected, is sketchy. Skinner has been mostly OK, but still lets in too many softies. That being said, he's getting almost no offensive support (I forget exactly but something like 2 goals per game support). Campbell is a train wreck of a signing at this point (much to the delight and relief of Leafs fans, I'm sure)
- Defense looks like they don't know how to play defense
- While they're not yet in too deep a hole, playing .500 hockey in the Pacific isn't going to get a team invited to the dance in the spring
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Statistically, Campbell wasn't terribly strong last year - he had a really good 1st half, but mediocre (at best) 2nd half. The sniff-test says he's playing way worse this year. So yeah, while I was not a fan of letting him walk, Dubas clearly made the right call. I dunno the circumstances of the bad tone by which he left Toronto (Friedge hinted at something a few weeks back, iirc), but apparently it was the right call to make. I don't know if he still has to find a groove in the Oil 'system', or if their D is just really that bad (the actual defensemen, and the defensive play overall (ie, incl forwards)), or if he really is just a mediocre goalie that had streaks last year of punching above his weight class.
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Quick takes on the Oilers at the quarter mark of the season
It took me a minute to realize that "Quick" is being used as an adjective here and that you weren't referring to Jonathan Quick and last week's Kings/Oilers game. :lol
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The Bruins have had a pretty favorable strength of schedule so far, but after tomorrow's game against Chicago, their next 10 games are:
@ TB W 5-3
@ Florida L 5-2
Canes
TB
Avs
Vegas
@ Avs
@ AZ
@ Vegas
NYI
Bruins owned the first period but were stoned by the Panthers' goalie. Swayman did not match their goaltender, and after the first, the Bruins got all out of sorts with frustration and got away from their game.
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Yup yup.
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Jingle.son and I were at the Sabres/Blues game last night. It was 90s-throwback night, and boy was it ever. The crowd did the Wave on 3 separate occasions, and serenaded the Blues with na-na-na na.... na-na-na na.... hey-hey-hey ... good-bye after the 6th goal. Binnington looked like shit - 4 of the goals were terrible and completely on him.
Also, if anyone needs a lock for a bet, I'll let you know ahead of time when jingle.son and I are going to a game - he's never seen a L by the Sabres when he and I go.
Nice to also see the Leafs gut out a victory over the Devils - along with the help of 3 over-turned goals. LMAO at how the ref botched the 1st. instant replay call. "The call on the ice has been confirmed, we have good goal .... er no, it's not - no goal". Literally - check the highlight. (https://youtu.be/PG9en7SVRkg?t=119)
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Literally - check the highlight. (https://youtu.be/PG9en7SVRkg?t=119)
:rollin
That's hilarious.
The East is nasty again this year. Bolts, Panthers, Leafs, and Bruins. The Bruins hot start is great and all, but it's not going to matter come playoff time.
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Well, at least Tampa looks mortal. And Detroit is keeping themselves in the mix. If not for Buffalo's 7-game losing streak, they look almost legit too - they are very strong and consistent up front; D and G is where they still need to develop/improve. Although, OPL (goalie... don't ask me to spell that out) was stellar last night. So long as 41-year old Craig Anderson is their #1 goalie, they aren't going anywhere. Either OPL has to continue to develop, or they need to make a move on someone.
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Well, at least Tampa looks mortal. And Detroit is keeping themselves in the mix. If not for Buffalo's 7-game losing streak, they look almost legit too - they are very strong and consistent up front; D and G is where they still need to develop/improve. Although, OPL (goalie... don't ask me to spell that out) was stellar last night. So long as 41-year old Craig Anderson is their #1 goalie, they aren't going anywhere. Either OPL has to continue to develop, or they need to make a move on someone.
The thing is, the other night I didn't notice Stamkos until midway through the 3rd. I thought he was out.
For Detroit or Buffalo to make a move up, then someone else is going to have to fall out, and I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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Well, at least Tampa looks mortal. And Detroit is keeping themselves in the mix. If not for Buffalo's 7-game losing streak, they look almost legit too - they are very strong and consistent up front; D and G is where they still need to develop/improve. Although, OPL (goalie... don't ask me to spell that out) was stellar last night. So long as 41-year old Craig Anderson is their #1 goalie, they aren't going anywhere. Either OPL has to continue to develop, or they need to make a move on someone.
The thing is, the other night I didn't notice Stamkos until midway through the 3rd. I thought he was out.
For Detroit or Buffalo to make a move up, then someone else is going to have to fall out, and I don't see that happening anytime soon.
I thought that was gonna be you guys this year, and I definitely thought Florida was going to fall to the WC position. I was actually thinking before the season began that the Atlantic would send 5 to the playoffs this year.
I also thought that Ottawa might be sniffing the WC hunt towards the end of the season. :lol
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Well, for Detroit, they can hope someone from the Metro falls off where it would be five teams from the Atlantic. Then again, when the Pens and Caps aren't having the greatest of starts, the Devils and Islanders are making their moves.
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Would have loved to have seen the Devils keep their streak going but it had to come to an end eventually. Definitely a little bit frustrating to lose by 1 and have three goals waved off though :lol The good news is we played pretty well, just some tough luck really.
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Goddamn.
Borje Salming, a true pioneer who helped change the perception of Swedish hockey players, died on Thursday following a short battle with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS).
Just a week or so after being honored at the arena. Damn. :'(
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Goddamn.
Borje Salming, a true pioneer who helped change the perception of Swedish hockey players, died on Thursday following a short battle with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS).
Just a week or so after being honored at the arena. Damn. :'(
Damn. So sad. Is it insensitive to wonder if it’s good that it was a short battle?
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Goddamn.
Borje Salming, a true pioneer who helped change the perception of Swedish hockey players, died on Thursday following a short battle with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS).
Just a week or so after being honored at the arena. Damn. :'(
Damn. So sad. Is it insensitive to wonder if it’s good that it was a short battle?
Not at all, in my opinion. I lost both parents to cancer in my early 20s. Dad went fast over a month. Mom went slow over a period of 4 months. From the perspective of a grieving family member, it was much harder watching my mom slowly die. It's like pulling a band-aid: the quicker it is the less pain involved.
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The Bruins have had a pretty favorable strength of schedule so far, but after tomorrow's game against Chicago, their next 10 games are:
@ TB W 5-3
@ Florida L 5-2
Canes W 3-2
TB
Avs
Vegas
@ Avs
@ AZ
@ Vegas
NYI
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Just took a peek at the standings.
The Kraken are 12-5-3 for 27 points??
WOW! Guess I'm not paying attention.
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Just took a peek at the standings.
The Kraken are 12-5-3 for 27 points??
WOW! Guess I'm not paying attention.
Yeah…..just got clued in on that as well. Wow.
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The funny thing is that the Kraken didn't do anything too extravagant in the off-season. They made some decent signings, made a solid trade to get Oliver Bjorkstrand to take advantage of the Blue Jackets' cap constraints. Matty Beniers has been developing well. This is despite the fact that Shane Wright is in the AHL with the Coachella Valley Firebirds and he is only there on a conditioning loan and he's only there because they can't send him there properly due to the agreement the league has with the CHL.
The kicker is that they are winning games with Martin Jones in net and he's been playing well and getting wins off of other teams, not only just against the Kings. It also helps that the three teams in the Pacific that made playoffs last season are off to below-expected starts.
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Yeah, where's J-Dude with our Seattle updates?
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I'd noticed that they weren't terrible, but didn't realize they were piling on the wins. And now Grubauer is back... beating LVK last night.
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So let me get this straight. The Rangers totally dominated the Kings in the 2nd period onwards after the Kings had a 2-0 lead and won last Tuesday, then the Rangers lost to the Ducks in regulation the next day and now they lost to the Oilers 4-3, also in reg, after being up 3-0 after the 2nd? It's just not fair, man.
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So let me get this straight. The Rangers totally dominated the Kings in the 2nd period onwards after the Kings had a 2-0 lead and won last Tuesday, then the Rangers lost to the Ducks in regulation the next day and now they lost to the Oilers 4-3, also in reg, after being up 3-0 after the 2nd? It's just not fair, man.
You expect hockey to be fair?? :lol
I hear ya, and that was a bad beat the at the hands of the Oil.
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Blues were down 4-1 in the third against Florida…..4-2 with 6min to go and get the ‘W’ in OT. Was good to see after a rough two games before that against Buffalo and TB.
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The Devils old winning streak had to die so a new one could be born :metal Great to see them beat the Capitals last night, I know they're not quite up to their usual level so far this season, but they've tormented us over the last few years.
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Blues were down 4-1 in the third against Florida…..4-2 with 6min to go and get the ‘W’ in OT. Was good to see after a rough two games before that against Buffalo and TB.
Funny how both Florida and Calgary are performing worse after their 'blockbuster' trade. I knew Florida would take a step back - they were punching WAAAAY above their weight class last year. And Bobs be Bob'g - seems every season is an alternate between good and bad. And Markstrom just looks bad.
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So guys…just checking in…anyone know who has the biggest winning streak in the league right now? :angel:
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Yes J-Dude. The Kraken are doing quite well for their 2nd year, and we understand you’re very proud of them. Now, run along and play.
:lol
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Yes J-Dude. The Kraken are doing quite well for their 2nd year, and we understand you’re very proud of them. Now, run along and play.
:lol
Pretty much, yeah lol. They'll fall back to earth at some point. Seattle's score-by-committee offense isn't going to carry them forever, and certainly not into the playoffs.
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First game against our rivals last night and I was nervous when the Rangers went up 2-0 pretty quickly. But the Devils grinded out a couple goals to tie it by the end of the first, jumped out to a 4-2 lead with a fairly dominant second period, and then held on for dear life in the third. Could definitely see the team was gassed by the end with it being their 3rd game in 4 days and having to kill a few penalties in the third period, but we became the first team ever to win 13 games in November and for one night at least have the most points in the league (Boston has a better points % but fewer games played) :hat
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The Bruins have had a pretty favorable strength of schedule so far, but after tomorrow's game against Chicago, their next 10 games are:
@ TB W 5-3
@ Florida L 5-2
Canes W 3-2
TB W 3-1
Avs
Vegas
@ Avs
@ AZ
@ Vegas
NYI
4 of their next 5 games are against Vegas and Colorado. Yikes!
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This Kings game is ABSOLUTELY nuts! NO ONE is playing defense. 8-8 with 6:21 left in the third.... Oy....
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This Kings game is ABSOLUTELY nuts! NO ONE is playing defense. 8-8 with 6:21 left in the third.... Oy....
This post made me turn on the game, just in time to watch the Kraken win! WOO HOO!!!
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I'm not sure I'd feel all that much better if the Kings had won. That game was an abomination of hockey.
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I mean I don't think this Kings group is going to make it to the playoffs promise land with their current "defensive" structure. If they somehow get in at this rate, it's only because the Alberta teams can't get out of their own butts.
I knew when the Kings got caught with too many men in OT, they were going to blow it on the PK. 2nd game in a row where they gaffed it in the offensive end in OT.
I want to go back to winning boring low-event scoring hockey games. That was their identity.
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their current "defensive" structure.
...and other things that don't actually exist! :lol
Any chance we could bring Dean Lombardi back?
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Flyers managed to end a 10 game losing streak last night against the Islanders. Clearly they get a few more players back from injuries and they'll be headed straight to the cup finals.
Meanwhile, in the land of teams with a front office who can accurately and honestly assess a team, the Red Wings got outclassed by Toronto a bit in their last game. I know I've said it here before, but it's so wild how one game can make them look very promising and then the next can show where they still have room to improve. Still, the goal for the year was to show improvement, and that's looking to be certainly met, with playoffs looking more and possible.
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There was an article on nhl.com arguing which team was gonna make the playoffs first - the Wings, or the Sabres. I don't think either of them are getting there this year, but next year could be a different story. Both have obvious holes to fill, but both are very promising - and fun to watch.
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Damn... Kris Letang had a stroke on Monday!
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Damn... Kris Letang had a stroke on Monday!
Oh shit!!
What was he out with earlier in his career? Wasn't it head related?
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Damn... Kris Letang had a stroke on Monday!
Oh shit!!
What was he out with earlier in his career? Wasn't it head related?
Apparently he'd had a stroke in 2014 as well.
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Damn... Kris Letang had a stroke on Monday!
Oh shit!!
What was he out with earlier in his career? Wasn't it head related?
Apparently he'd had a stroke in 2014 as well.
Yeah, I just went to TSN for the story.
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There was an article on nhl.com arguing which team was gonna make the playoffs first - the Wings, or the Sabres. I don't think either of them are getting there this year, but next year could be a different story. Both have obvious holes to fill, but both are very promising - and fun to watch.
if the Panthers keep playing the way they do at their pace, I can see them miss and the Red Wings get in.
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There was an article on nhl.com arguing which team was gonna make the playoffs first - the Wings, or the Sabres. I don't think either of them are getting there this year, but next year could be a different story. Both have obvious holes to fill, but both are very promising - and fun to watch.
if the Panthers keep playing the way they do at their pace, I can see them miss and the Red Wings get in.
There's the issue, no worries about who are ahead of the Wings in many instances. I expect the Bruins, Leafs, Lightning, Canes, Islanders, and at this point the Devils all to get in ahead of them. That leaves only two spots, and teams like the Panthers, Senators, Penguins, and Rangers all could perform much more strongly than they've shown to this point. It'll be tough to hold most of them off.
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You don't have to worry about the Sens. Rangers are really strange to me. They are punching below their weight class so far.
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I mean if Shesterkin is not playing up to what he did last season (which understandably would be a huge task to follow) and guys like Kreider not playing at a 50-goal pace that he did last season (which is known that wasn't going to be sustainable), the drop-off in points looks more apparent.
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There was an article on nhl.com arguing which team was gonna make the playoffs first - the Wings, or the Sabres. I don't think either of them are getting there this year, but next year could be a different story. Both have obvious holes to fill, but both are very promising - and fun to watch.
if the Panthers keep playing the way they do at their pace, I can see them miss and the Red Wings get in.
Heh, crazy Wings/Sabres game in the wake of this last night.
Wings went down 4-1, tie it in the third, 4-4. Can't pull ahead despite a long 5 on 3 advantage late and going 0 for 7 on PPs overall. Then in the shootout they hit two posts and ultimately lose to one shooter scoring against them.
Another case of, had it been Husso in net I don't think it would have gone past regulation, they likely would have won.
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Yeah, tough one there. The OT was boring as shit though. That move Jack Quinn pulled of was kinda dirty. That kid looks pretty good. He had 2 goals against the Blues last week, and another in their loss against TB on Monday (I was at both games).
And I'm off to see the Sabres vs the Avs tonight. :metal
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Yeah, tough one there. The OT was boring as shit though. That move Jack Quinn pulled of was kinda dirty. That kid looks pretty good. He had 2 goals against the Blues last week, and another in their loss against TB on Monday (I was at both games).
And I'm off to see the Sabres vs the Avs tonight. :metal
Oh, that shootout winner was an absolute beauty, no doubt.
Earlier on a Sabres player had another crazy shot. It was a sharp angle shot, and the initial impression was it went off the crossbar and across, which would be normal for that angle. But replay showed it actually went off the side of the goalie's head, off the post, and then behind him and across. Incredible that happened and it didn't go in.
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Well, a solid Kings win against the Yotes, 5-3. It's something to build off of. A small step into hopefully a right direction.
On another note, I'm looking at the highlights of other games, Matty Beniers scoring the OT winning goal 7 seconds in to give the Kraken another win. This guy is legit and the Kraken doesn't need to rush into him giving a big contract next season since he's still got a year of ELC left after this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSmUFhxTGiQ
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Kraken are 11-1-1 in their last 12. [Edit— whoops…that’s 13] Imma expect a bit more raised eyebrows. :rollin
Seriously though. I know the NHL can get “streaky”. I just have that new car smell about it because it’s fun to have a home town team after waiting 40 years for it.
EDIT- to be fair though. From watching all the talk in this thread, I’m sensing a bit of an Eastern slant to the entire conversation.
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I’m sensing a bit of an Eastern slant to the entire conversation.
Well...short of the playoffs, you and I and Anguyen92 are the only ones who care about what's happening west of St. Louis. :)
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I’m sensing a bit of an Eastern slant to the entire conversation.
Well...short of the playoffs, you and I and Anguyen92 are the only ones who care about what's happening west of St. Louis. :)
I know the US education system is very much US-centric, so I'll give you a pass on this one. Edmonton, Alberta is very much west of Missouri. By a loooong way lol
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I’m sensing a bit of an Eastern slant to the entire conversation.
Well...short of the playoffs, you and I and Anguyen92 are the only ones who care about what's happening west of St. Louis. :)
I know the US education system is very much US-centric, so I'll give you a pass on this one. Edmonton, Alberta is very much west of Missouri. By a loooong way lol
Sorry...I forgot you...make it four (or imply that I was talking about west of STL and south of the border). :)
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Isn’t that in Northern Montana? ;)
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Isn’t that in Northern Montana? ;)
No, no, no...Billings is in South Saskatchewan, while Winnipeg is in Really North Dakota. :biggrin:
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Isn’t that in Northern Montana? ;)
Geographically, yes, we're counted on the Montana census.
Honestly though, Alberta is basically Texas of the North. Swap our mountains for an ocean and it's basically a wash. Oil, cattle, conservatives.
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Isn’t that in Northern Montana? ;)
Geographically, yes, we're counted on the Montana census.
Honestly though, Alberta is basically Texas of the North. Swap our mountains for an ocean and it's basically a wash. Oil, cattle, conservatives.
And your Premier is just as bat-shit crazy, but without the gimpness.
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Isn’t that in Northern Montana? ;)
Geographically, yes, we're counted on the Montana census.
Honestly though, Alberta is basically Texas of the North. Swap our mountains for an ocean and it's basically a wash. Oil, cattle, conservatives.
And your Premier is just as bat-shit crazy, but without the gimpness.
All true. All true.
She's trying to buy votes in Calgary ahead an election next year by dangling support for a new arena for the Flames.
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Brock Boeser is a healthy scratch tonight? What's the story here?
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Brock Boeser is a healthy scratch tonight? What's the story here?
That is surprising, but the Canuck’s do suck, so something needs to give.
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Why is he a scratch against the Coyotes?
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The Bruins have had a pretty favorable strength of schedule so far, but after tomorrow's game against Chicago, their next 10 games are:
@ TB W 5-3
@ Florida L 5-2
Canes W 3-2
TB W 3-1
Avs W 5-1
Vegas
@ Avs
@ AZ
@ Vegas
NYI
Perhaps the Bruins didn't get the Avs' best effort tonight, but the B's dominated them. Other than maybe some sort of fluky goal or something like that happening, the Avs were never in this game.
I've watched the Bruins for 50+ years now, and this is the fastest and best skating team they've ever had.
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That was a soft goal by the Leafs in OT. That cannot go in from that range.
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That was a soft goal by the Leafs in OT. That cannot go in from that range.
Eh, looked like a good shot to me. It's not like it was a Chris Osgood moment where he let one in from center ice.
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Nah, it was weak. Fuck the Leafs blow in OT! 1-6 so far this year.
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I realize the Bruins have three games in hand, but the Leafs are only 4 points behind.
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Those are some ugly ass uniforms the Kraken are wearing tonight.
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I realize the Bruins have three games in hand, but the Leafs are only 4 points behind.
It’s all hose loser-points.
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I realize the Bruins have three games in hand, but the Leafs are only 4 points behind.
It’s all hose loser-points.
hoser loser points? :lol
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Goal differential.
B's +44
Leafs +13
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Love the Devil's KC Scouts colors.
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Those are some ugly ass uniforms the Kraken are wearing tonight.
They are supposed to be a tribute to the old Seattle Metropolitans uniforms from the 1917 team that won the Stanley Cup. So they are supposed to have that feel of being from the WWI era.
On that level I suppose it works. :mehlin
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I had no idea that color was even invented in 1917. :lol
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I stand corrected!!! I should’ve checked before I posted. But I just read that it’s in tribute to a post WWII team that we had called the Seattle Ironmen.
I had honestly never heard of them.
https://www.seattlemet.com/style-and-shopping/2022/10/seattle-kraken-reverse-retro-jersey-ironmen-history
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So what's up with the Binnington trying to hit players saga? What's up with his hand being in that position to suckerpunch someone?
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1599206325044465664
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Goal differential.
B's +44
Leafs +13
The Leafs have been in a lot of 1-goal games. Builds character I hear. Edit... 14 of their 26 games have been decided by one goal.
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So what's up with the Binnington trying to hit players saga? What's up with his hand being in that position to suckerpunch someone?
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1599206325044465664
Binnington was a goon in a past life - probably one of the Hansen brothers. In this life, he's just a sore fucking loser. What the hell's with chirping the opposing team's bench after they got you pulled? What a clown. Zero class. Just 'chirp' them with your play.
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So what's up with the Binnington trying to hit players saga? What's up with his hand being in that position to suckerpunch someone?
https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1599206325044465664
Binnington was a goon in a past life - probably one of the Hansen brothers. In this life, he's just a sore fucking loser. What the hell's with chirping the opposing team's bench after they got you pulled? What a clown. Zero class. Just 'chirp' them with your play.
He’s a prick. Plain and simple. Berube publicly called him out in the presser. Said ‘be a goalie, do your job and stop pucks’
The Blues are a mess. There are so many bad contracts right now that they can’t even do anything about it. NTC’s galore. Rough times ahead!
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Goal differential.
B's +44
Leafs +13
The Leafs have been in a lot of 1-goal games. Builds character I hear. Edit... 14 of their 26 games have been decided by one goal.
I picked the Leafs to win it all last year, so I'm obviously still bullish on them this year. I actually fear them more than the Lightning at this point.
I think William Nylander is a secret weapon for them. You're so worried about Marner and Matthews, it's easy to forget about Nylander.
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Binnington is definitely somewhat of a prick, although I don't think it a coincidence that he usually does this stuff when the team is not playing well. I think it's his way of trying to start a skirmish to get the team's blood going and increase the energy level. I remember a game a few years ago where the Blues looked lethargic and he started a tussle and then the Blues got fired up and scored two goals in the next few minutes. He's like the goon teams used to send out to start a fight to pump up the team, only he's the goalie, too. :lol
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Binnington is definitely somewhat of a prick, although I don't think it a coincidence that he usually does this stuff when the team is not playing well. I think it's his way of trying to start a skirmish to get the team's blood going and increase the energy level. I remember a game a few years ago where the Blues looked lethargic and he started a tussle and then the Blues got fired up and scored two goals in the next few minutes. He's like the goon teams used to send out to start a fight to pump up the team, only he's the goalie, too. :lol
That's all good and fine, but his primary job is to make saves. How many times has he been pulled this year? There's a goalie stat at hockey-reference, RBS - Really Bad Starts. He's tied for the league lead with 5 :lol
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Binnington is definitely somewhat of a prick, although I don't think it a coincidence that he usually does this stuff when the team is not playing well. I think it's his way of trying to start a skirmish to get the team's blood going and increase the energy level. I remember a game a few years ago where the Blues looked lethargic and he started a tussle and then the Blues got fired up and scored two goals in the next few minutes. He's like the goon teams used to send out to start a fight to pump up the team, only he's the goalie, too. :lol
Ehh…..even if your team is playing bad the antics he’s displayed are infantile. He’s a prick AND an average goalie at best. The turnaround and Cup run of 2019 was incredible to experience and he was a HUGE part of it…..but…there’s a reason he was 4th in the organizational depth charts at goalie that year. As Ken Hitchcock once said when asked about him…..”He’s Swiss cheese back there”
His BS needs to stop and he needs to work on stopping pucks like Berube said. Do your F’n job and quit pouting about the team in front of you. He’s one of fifty problems the Blues have right now. But for me….a couple instances of trying to fire the team up is fine but he makes a habit of just doing dumb shit like this for no reason and I’m more than done with it.
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Binnington is definitely somewhat of a prick, although I don't think it a coincidence that he usually does this stuff when the team is not playing well. I think it's his way of trying to start a skirmish to get the team's blood going and increase the energy level. I remember a game a few years ago where the Blues looked lethargic and he started a tussle and then the Blues got fired up and scored two goals in the next few minutes. He's like the goon teams used to send out to start a fight to pump up the team, only he's the goalie, too. :lol
Ehh…..even if your team is playing bad the antics he’s displayed are infantile. He’s a prick AND an average goalie at best. The turnaround and Cup run of 2019 was incredible to experience and he was a HUGE part of it…..but…there’s a reason he was 4th in the organizational depth charts at goalie that year. As Ken Hitchcock once said when asked about him…..”He’s Swiss cheese back there”
His BS needs to stop and he needs to work on stopping pucks like Berube said. Do your F’n job and quit pouting about the team in front of you. He’s one of fifty problems the Blues have right now. But for me….a couple instances of trying to fire the team up is fine but he makes a habit of just doing dumb shit like this for no reason and I’m more than done with it.
No, no, I agree with you in spirit. I was just offering somewhat of a counterpoint, as I think there is a method to his madness at times, but, yeah, too many times he is just being a prick.
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Binnington is definitely somewhat of a prick, although I don't think it a coincidence that he usually does this stuff when the team is not playing well. I think it's his way of trying to start a skirmish to get the team's blood going and increase the energy level. I remember a game a few years ago where the Blues looked lethargic and he started a tussle and then the Blues got fired up and scored two goals in the next few minutes. He's like the goon teams used to send out to start a fight to pump up the team, only he's the goalie, too. :lol
Ehh…..even if your team is playing bad the antics he’s displayed are infantile. He’s a prick AND an average goalie at best. The turnaround and Cup run of 2019 was incredible to experience and he was a HUGE part of it…..but…there’s a reason he was 4th in the organizational depth charts at goalie that year. As Ken Hitchcock once said when asked about him…..”He’s Swiss cheese back there”
His BS needs to stop and he needs to work on stopping pucks like Berube said. Do your F’n job and quit pouting about the team in front of you. He’s one of fifty problems the Blues have right now. But for me….a couple instances of trying to fire the team up is fine but he makes a habit of just doing dumb shit like this for no reason and I’m more than done with it.
No, no, I agree with you in spirit. I was just offering somewhat of a counterpoint, as I think there is a method to his madness at times, but, yeah, too many times he is just being a prick.
When Belfour, Roy…..Hasek…..when those guys employed their childish antics they at least had the chops to back it up. They could pitch fits and start shit all they wanted because they knew (and the other teams knew) they’d turn around and shut a team out.
Binnington doesn’t have that in him. You have to be able to back that crap up and he can’t. That Stanley Cup Ring from three years ago doesn’t give you a pass your whole career to act like an ass.
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When Belfour, Roy…..Hasek…..when those guys employed their childish antics they at least had the chops to back it up. They could pitch fits and start shit all they wanted because they knew (and the other teams knew) they’d turn around and shut a team out.
Binnington doesn’t have that in him. You have to be able to back that crap up and he can’t. That Stanley Cup Ring from three years ago doesn’t give you a pass your whole career to act like an ass.
Agreed. I admittedly have a soft spot for him since he was a big reason why we got our first Cup, but his act is definitely getting old. I don't disagree. :)
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Sorry guys, you can’t have Husso back. ;)
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Sorry guys, you can’t have Husso back. ;)
Yeah. Still not happy about that. Our GM backed the wrong horse on that whole thing.
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Interesting past couple of games for the Devils. They went down 2-0 thanks to a goal at either end of the first period, scored three times in 4 minutes early in the second to take the lead, and then let Nashville tie it with only a few seconds left in the third after some uncharacteristically timid late-game play. Went to Philly Saturday night and the Flyers skated the better game but we snuck out with a win. Would have liked to have seen them play better, but the points are still coming in.
Love the Devil's KC Scouts colors.
Yeah, took me a minute to warm up but I really like them. If I was still in NJ I might pull the trigger on a Hischier jersey, but down in FL I'll probably only have a chance to go to one game a year and my Stevens jersey will do me just fine.
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Sorry guys, you can’t have Husso back. ;)
Yeah. Still not happy about that. Our GM backed the wrong horse on that whole thing.
I'm happy about it. :D
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On another note, I need to sort out parking stuff, but I'm definitely going to the USA vs Canada women's hockey game at the building formerly known as Staples Center on 12/19. It's a good feeling going to watch some of the finest women players in the world that played in the last few Olympics play at the Crypt House in LA.
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Awesome!!
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The Bruins have had a pretty favorable strength of schedule so far, but after tomorrow's game against Chicago, their next 10 games are:
@ TB W 5-3
@ Florida L 5-2
Canes W 3-2
TB W 3-1
Avs W 5-1
Vegas L 4-3 (SO)
@ Avs
@ AZ
@ Vegas
NYI
Bruins got behind 3-0 early and tied the game to force OT. They carried a lot of the play, especially in the second half. Got a GIFT PP in OT but did everything but score. Outshot the Knights 43-24. Logan Thompson stole this game. Lost in the 5th round of a scoreless shoot out.
Got a tough mini road trip coming up.
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Thompson was lights out. Stole the game.
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Man alive the Blues are back to looking real bad. Ooof.
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Man alive the Blues are back to looking real bad. Ooof.
Yeah. It’s pretty ugly.
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For those that rightfully thinks that 9-8 Kraken/Kings game is garbage, the Canucks/Habs 7-6 game is a nice follow-up with more twists. It started off with a 4-0 Habs lead at the end of the first, then the Canucks somehow came back and even took the lead in the 3rd. Then the Habs answered two back to get the lead late in the 3rd, then the Canucks tied it and then won it on OT 13 seconds in. Wow.
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I saw that headline, and can’t wait to watch the highlight package.
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Wasn't able to watch the Leafs/Stars game last night, really wish I could've. I just caught the game recap, and holy shit did Murray look like Stanley Cup winning Matt Murray. Some of the 5-on-3 PK saves he made were off the charts. Solid effort against a top team,
Marner's point streak continues; Robertson's ends. :biggrin:
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Here's how good Murray was last night - his single game Goals Saved Above Expectation of 5.979 was the highest in any single game since the league started measuring that (since at least 2016). So essentially, the Stars should have won 6-4. He was superhuman last night. Fuck I wish I'd been able to watch the game.
MonkeyPuck (https://twitter.com/MoneyPuckdotcom?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1600341025876123648%7Ctwgr%5Eed1f35b6cf89f011162cdc892428b6eb35f5b3ad%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fzerlms%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse) has some cool stats.
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The Pheonix Copley era may have begun!
No?
Well...the LONG time minor leaguer and former Washington Capital had a nice game to backstop the Kings to an overall really solid 5-2 victory over Ottawa. Hopefully the Kings can right the ship a bit on this two-week roadie. Next up: Jingle's Leafs on Thursday.
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The Pheonix Copley era may have begun!
No?
Well...the LONG time minor leaguer and former Washington Capital had a nice game to backstop the Kings to an overall really solid 5-2 victory over Ottawa. Hopefully the Kings can right the ship a bit on this two-week roadie. Next up: Jingle's Leafs on Thursday.
:bringiton:
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The Pheonix Copley era may have begun!
No?
Well...the LONG time minor leaguer and former Washington Capital had a nice game to backstop the Kings to an overall really solid 5-2 victory over Ottawa. Hopefully the Kings can right the ship a bit on this two-week roadie. Next up: Jingle's Leafs on Thursday.
:bringiton:
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The Pheonix Copley era may have begun!
No?
Well...the LONG time minor leaguer and former Washington Capital had a nice game to backstop the Kings to an overall really solid 5-2 victory over Ottawa. Hopefully the Kings can right the ship a bit on this two-week roadie. Next up: Jingle's Leafs on Thursday.
:bringiton:
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Your send those 5-dollar.. no, fifty-cent ... no, nickle-and-dime group of jabronies you call a hockey team to Toronto so they can have the smacketh layeth down on their candied asses.
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Rumblings a-muck with a few of the 'insiders' I know and speak with that cover the Blues that "they" have pretty much had it with Binnington and are looking to shop him around. But, who'd take him? He's average at best with flashes/streaks of great play.....$6 million a year for another 6 years.....full NTC.
Certainly they'd have to eat some of that salary but I think he'd be a tough sell right now unless the other team is desperate as well.
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Rumblings a-muck with a few of the 'insiders' I know and speak with that cover the Blues that "they" have pretty much had it with Binnington and are looking to shop him around. But, who'd take him? He's average at best with flashes/streaks of great play.....$6 million a year for another 6 years.....full NTC.
Certainly they'd have to eat some of that salary but I think he'd be a tough sell right now unless the other team is desperate as well.
He'd have to end up in a place with a coach and management that don't take no shit. Torts would straighten him up, but I think Philly is set with Hart. Goalie ain't where their problems are. There are a lot of bad goalie contracts out there. Montreal got lucky, with Price on LTIR.
Wonder what the buyout cost - in terms of actual cash, and cap-hit would be?
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Rumblings a-muck with a few of the 'insiders' I know and speak with that cover the Blues that "they" have pretty much had it with Binnington and are looking to shop him around. But, who'd take him? He's average at best with flashes/streaks of great play.....$6 million a year for another 6 years.....full NTC.
Certainly they'd have to eat some of that salary but I think he'd be a tough sell right now unless the other team is desperate as well.
He'd have to end up in a place with a coach and management that don't take no shit. Torts would straighten him up, but I think Philly is set with Hart. Goalie ain't where their problems are. There are a lot of bad goalie contracts out there. Montreal got lucky, with Price on LTIR.
Wonder what the buyout cost - in terms of actual cash, and cap-hit would be?
Actual cash is usually not a factor for most big clubs, but here is all the info you might need: https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/jordan-binnington
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On a completely unrelated note, Husso was HUGE in a big Red Wings win over the Bolts last night.
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On a completely unrelated note, Husso was HUGE in a big Red Wings win over the Bolts last night.
Faced 30 shots in the third and stopped 28, definitely impressive. Detroit needs to work on tightening up their late game defense but Husso has been a great surprise. I had expected him and Ned to battle it out more, but so far he has been the go-to man.
Overall, with the expectations I had for this team coming into the season, with all the new players joining and a new head coach, I am pleasantly amazed they are where they are. I have no delusions of grandeur that the playoffs are in the offing, though anything is possible I suppose, but I have been very impressed with the whole team and Lalonde as coach. It is just nice to see the rebuild starting to maybe trend upwards now under Yzerman. Everyone seems to have their heads in the right places, not looking too far ahead but not dwelling too much on the past.
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I got old DTF fart bingo. I got bingo!!
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Rumblings a-muck with a few of the 'insiders' I know and speak with that cover the Blues that "they" have pretty much had it with Binnington and are looking to shop him around. But, who'd take him? He's average at best with flashes/streaks of great play.....$6 million a year for another 6 years.....full NTC.
Certainly they'd have to eat some of that salary but I think he'd be a tough sell right now unless the other team is desperate as well.
Hmmm, four years of Binnington or two more years of Petersen (who, at the moment, trying to rebuild his game with the Reign in the AHL). I liked the Kings' chances a little better of rehabilitating Petersen than taking on the headache that is Binnington and blindly hope to strike gold somehow.
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On a completely unrelated note, Husso was HUGE in a big Red Wings win over the Bolts last night.
Faced 30 shots in the third and stopped 28, definitely impressive. Detroit needs to work on tightening up their late game defense but Husso has been a great surprise. I had expected him and Ned to battle it out more, but so far he has been the go-to man.
I'm happy for you guys....really. But furious that the Blues just essentially let him go. They could have made a run at him as a free agent OR even had eyes enough to realize he is/was a more consistent goaltender. His positioning is incredible....he stops so many deflections just by having good positioning.
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To be fair, he has had some boner nights, too, as I guess all goalies have from time to time. There's certainly room for growth, but overall he has been very stable and a strong backstop for Detroit. Haven't been that impressed with Nedeljkovic this year, his numbers are pretty subpar, but I'm sure Lalonde will likely continue to tandem them through this year at least.
I'm not familiar enough with whatever went on in STL surrounding him coming over.
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Your send those 5-dollar.. no, fifty-cent ... no, nickle-and-dime group of jabronies you call a hockey team to Toronto so they can have the smacketh layeth down on their candied asses.
I'd love to talk smack, but I don't entirely have the confidence my team can back it up, so I'll just hang out in the corner with these
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Oh, we can continue doing more smack talk? All right, another strong quote from The Rock. "Stronger than a bear, faster than a buck, the biggest thing to hit Canada because the Maple Leafs suck."
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There’s a reason the rear view mirror is so much smaller than the windshield. Keep living in the past!
Oh, we can continue doing more smack talk? All right, another strong quote from The Rock. "Stronger than a bear, faster than a buck, the biggest thing to hit Canada because the Maple Leafs suck."
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Smack talk to Chad?
Bruins and 1ST round exits.
RUN EVERYONE!!
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You guys are so tuff picking on the lowest hanging fruit
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Obvious statements are not “smack talk”
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Jimmy Carr! :metal
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Jimmy Carr! :metal
THAT you know!?!?
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*faints*
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Jimmy Carr! :metal
THAT you know!?!?
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The Bruins have had a pretty favorable strength of schedule so far, but after tomorrow's game against Chicago, their next 10 games are:
@ TB W 5-3
@ Florida L 5-2
Canes W 3-2
TB W 3-1
Avs W 5-1
Vegas L 4-3 (SO)
@ Avs W 4-0
@ AZ
@ Vegas
NYI
Beat a severely depleted Avs team tonight. Basically played their AHL team. Avs came out scrappy and the B's came out flat, but the ice eventually tilted.
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Love the Sharks' throwback Seals uniforms.
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Tage Fucking Thompson.
Nuff said. Love that dude. He's going to be a force for years to come.
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Tage Fucking Thompson.
Nuff said. Love that dude. He's going to be a force for years to come.
Was texting a LOT last night with my buddy who writes for The ATHLETIC, my dad....brothers. I know that trade to Buffalo got us O'Reily and he was a HUGE part of the Cup win in 2019.....but man....what Thompson is doing right now, becoming a Superstar.....was always what was believed he'd be when he was a young Blues prospect and player.
I 'get' the trade....I guess I'm OK with the payoff of getting that first Cup....but man, watching him just flourish and become a Superstar is REALLY tough knowing that we basically traded him for two good seasons of Ryan O'Reily. It's a tough pill to swallow but the Cup run and Championship doesn't happen if that trade doesn't happen.
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I think most teams' fans would be OK with a trade that brought them a single Stanley, even if it meant trading away top notch prospects with bright futures. This question was asked on TSN radio in Edmonton a few years ago: If you had to pick, would you prefer annual deep playoff runs to the conference or cup finals; or winning a Cup every 20 or 30 years?
Personally, I'd take the Stanley once a generation.
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Your send those 5-dollar.. no, fifty-cent ... no, nickle-and-dime group of jabronies you call a hockey team to Toronto so they can have the smacketh layeth down on their candied asses.
I'd love to talk smack, but I don't entirely have the confidence my team can back it up
Like I said.... Bleh....
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I think most teams' fans would be OK with a trade that brought them a single Stanley, even if it meant trading away top notch prospects with bright futures. This question was asked on TSN radio in Edmonton a few years ago: If you had to pick, would you prefer annual deep playoff runs to the conference or cup finals; or winning a Cup every 20 or 30 years?
Personally, I'd take the Stanley once a generation.
It's like saying would you rather be the Sharks or would you be the Caps and Blues?
Your send those 5-dollar.. no, fifty-cent ... no, nickle-and-dime group of jabronies you call a hockey team to Toronto so they can have the smacketh layeth down on their candied asses.
I'd love to talk smack, but I don't entirely have the confidence my team can back it up
Like I said.... Bleh....
Yeah, I was thinking all kinds of possibilities could happen in the game and the worst one happened for the Kings.
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I think most teams' fans would be OK with a trade that brought them a single Stanley, even if it meant trading away top notch prospects with bright futures. This question was asked on TSN radio in Edmonton a few years ago: If you had to pick, would you prefer annual deep playoff runs to the conference or cup finals; or winning a Cup every 20 or 30 years?
Personally, I'd take the Stanley once a generation.
Yep, you take the Cup, without question.
For me, while I want the Blues to win and get frustrated when they lose in the playoffs, especially when our goalie gets run over and hurts our chances :censored :lol :biggrin:, nothing can ever take away 2019. As a sports fan, that was, in essence, the climatic moment of my sports fandom; everything else now is just gravy. :hat :hat
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I think most teams' fans would be OK with a trade that brought them a single Stanley, even if it meant trading away top notch prospects with bright futures. This question was asked on TSN radio in Edmonton a few years ago: If you had to pick, would you prefer annual deep playoff runs to the conference or cup finals; or winning a Cup every 20 or 30 years?
Personally, I'd take the Stanley once a generation.
Yep, you take the Cup, without question.
For me, while I want the Blues to win and get frustrated when they lose in the playoffs, especially when our goalie gets run over and hurts our chances :censored :lol :biggrin:, nothing can ever take away 2019. As a sports fan, that was, in essence, the climatic moment of my sports fandom; everything else now is just gravy. :hat :hat
I get the sentiment behind that and totally agree......for our fanbase and organization......that 2019 run and Championship was just awesome to experience. For me, being able to experience that with my kids....what a great chunk of memories....then the parade weekend and all that.....just so much fun.
BUT....that doesn't buy perpetual tolerance for lazy, uninspired hockey. In fact, it only magnifies the expectations from the players and team. The Blues traditionally have been consistent with a workman's effort and you knew that even if they lost for the most part they were working their butts off and it was just the matter of one team has to lose.
That's not the case with this group of players and it's infuriating. Lazy ass playing plain and simple with no hint of it turning around. It's ugly....and due to Armstrong's willy nilly throwing NTC's at aging vets I don't see how anything can be done about it. It's just going to be ugly and no Cup win can excuse what we're seeing right now.
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NTCs are a way of the league right now, unfortunately.
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NTCs are a way of the league right now, unfortunately.
It’s brutal. Totally hamstrings your team I get it from a players perspective but man, the back end of those contracts you’re just screwed. Or in the Blues case…..the front end as well 😂
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NTCs are a way of the league right now, unfortunately.
It’s brutal. Totally hamstrings your team I get it from a players perspective but man, the back end of those contracts you’re just screwed. Or in the Blues case…..the front end as well 😂
I don't disagree, but it is pretty common for players to want/demand/get that security as part of their last 'big' contract. And the reality is, if the team starts to really shit themselves towards the end of those contracts, many players are willing to flex that NTC - they just don't want to be arbitrarily sent to any team. Like, who's gonna want to be dealt to Anahem or Arizona in an off-season where they just need salary to meet the cap min? Sure, the Ducks look promising in a few years, but if I'm a mid-30 year old player with 2 years left on my contract and have been with a team for 5 years or more, no way in hell I'm gonna want to up-root my family for that shit.
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NTCs are a way of the league right now, unfortunately.
It’s brutal. Totally hamstrings your team I get it from a players perspective but man, the back end of those contracts you’re just screwed. Or in the Blues case…..the front end as well 😂
I don't disagree, but it is pretty common for players to want/demand/get that security as part of their last 'big' contract. And the reality is, if the team starts to really shit themselves towards the end of those contracts, many players are willing to flex that NTC - they just don't want to be arbitrarily sent to any team. Like, who's gonna want to be dealt to Anahem or Arizona in an off-season where they just need salary to meet the cap min? Sure, the Ducks look promising in a few years, but if I'm a mid-30 year old player with 2 years left on my contract and have been with a team for 5 years or more, no way in hell I'm gonna want to up-root my family for that shit.
Yeah…..totally get it. The ‘hope’ from the organization is you get say 3-4 solid years on a 6-7 year deal and you just eat the rest basically because you got a deal on your AAV to play the Cap space game.
What the Blues are facing is there are three/four players that are shitting the bed REAL early in these long term contracts with NTCs
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What the Blues are facing is there are three/four players that are shitting the bed REAL early in these long term contracts with NTCs
Who?
Serious question. I don't know because I am still unable to watch Blues games.
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What the Blues are facing is there are three/four players that are shitting the bed REAL early in these long term contracts with NTCs
Who?
Serious question. I don't know because I am still unable to watch Blues games.
- Schenn (5yrs left)
- Krug (6 yrs left)
- Saad (I think it’s 4 years left)
- Paryako (7yrs left) I think. Maybe 6
- Binnington (6yrs left)
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What the Blues are facing is there are three/four players that are shitting the bed REAL early in these long term contracts with NTCs
Who?
Serious question. I don't know because I am still unable to watch Blues games.
- Schenn (5yrs left)
- Krug (6 yrs left)
- Saad (I think it’s 4 years left)
- Paryako (7yrs left) I think. Maybe 6
- Binnington (6yrs left)
Ok thank you!
I never understood why they gave that contract to Krug. I certainly can't blame him for taking it, but seriously, who were they bidding against?
I don't know the answer but why didn't they just resign Pietrangelo?
Schenn-felt like he was a core player going forward. He'd probably benefit from a coaching change.
Saad- Not sure what to say. I always thought he was solid. No idea what the money is.
Parayko-The guy looked like the next Victor Hedman. Can't blame them for locking him up.
Binnington- Whatever or however bad that contract ultimately is, you don't have the Cup without him. End of story. Just enjoy the Cup. You're only three years out. They can always send him down to the AHL affiliate, no?
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On a completely unrelated note, Husso was HUGE in a big Red Wings win over the Bolts last night.
Faced 30 shots in the third and stopped 28, definitely impressive. Detroit needs to work on tightening up their late game defense but Husso has been a great surprise. I had expected him and Ned to battle it out more, but so far he has been the go-to man.
Overall, with the expectations I had for this team coming into the season, with all the new players joining and a new head coach, I am pleasantly amazed they are where they are. I have no delusions of grandeur that the playoffs are in the offing, though anything is possible I suppose, but I have been very impressed with the whole team and Lalonde as coach. It is just nice to see the rebuild starting to maybe trend upwards now under Yzerman. Everyone seems to have their heads in the right places, not looking too far ahead but not dwelling too much on the past.
Yeah, and even if the Wings don't make it, just being in a good enough place to really go battle for a spot late in the regular season would be huge. And up until last night's very bad game, I was thinking they really were keeping things together really well night in and night out for awhile and might have that more realistic shot. It seems they just have that really off game every so often.
On a related note, if Jennie were to get me a shirt/jersey for Christmas, who would you go with?
I have a Seider shirt, but it got messed up in the wash a bit.
My probable candidates include:
Seider
Hronek
Husso
Kubalik
Larkin
Soderblom
Raymond
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What the Blues are facing is there are three/four players that are shitting the bed REAL early in these long term contracts with NTCs
Who?
Serious question. I don't know because I am still unable to watch Blues games.
- Schenn (5yrs left)
- Krug (6 yrs left)
- Saad (I think it’s 4 years left)
- Paryako (7yrs left) I think. Maybe 6
- Binnington (6yrs left)
Ok thank you!
I never understood why they gave that contract to Krug. I certainly can't blame him for taking it, but seriously, who were they bidding against?
I don't know the answer but why didn't they just resign Pietrangelo?
Schenn-felt like he was a core player going forward. He'd probably benefit from a coaching change.
Saad- Not sure what to say. I always thought he was solid. No idea what the money is.
Parayko-The guy looked like the next Victor Hedman. Can't blame them for locking him up.
Binnington- Whatever or however bad that contract ultimately is, you don't have the Cup without him. End of story. Just enjoy the Cup. You're only three years out. They can always send him down to the AHL affiliate, no?
I believe Pietrangelo wanted a NMC or signing bonuses in the contract. The amount for him in comparison to the Doughty and Karlsson contracts is a huge bargain. Doug Armstrong feels really strong against NMC for whatever reasons.
So if they send Binnington to the AHL, so whose their goalies now? Greiss and..... At least, for the Kings, they still got Quick (not much of a brag since his game is inconsistent due to age, but if the team can pull it together, he can still deliver a game-stealing win).
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What the Blues are facing is there are three/four players that are shitting the bed REAL early in these long term contracts with NTCs
Who?
Serious question. I don't know because I am still unable to watch Blues games.
- Schenn (5yrs left)
- Krug (6 yrs left)
- Saad (I think it’s 4 years left)
- Paryako (7yrs left) I think. Maybe 6
- Binnington (6yrs left)
Ok thank you!
I never understood why they gave that contract to Krug. I certainly can't blame him for taking it, but seriously, who were they bidding against?
I don't know the answer but why didn't they just resign Pietrangelo?
Schenn-felt like he was a core player going forward. He'd probably benefit from a coaching change.
Saad- Not sure what to say. I always thought he was solid. No idea what the money is.
Parayko-The guy looked like the next Victor Hedman. Can't blame them for locking him up.
Binnington- Whatever or however bad that contract ultimately is, you don't have the Cup without him. End of story. Just enjoy the Cup. You're only three years out. They can always send him down to the AHL affiliate, no?
Petro came down to he wanted a full NMC and Armstrong has this weird ego thing where he’s never handed one out. The only one the Blues have now is O’Reilys and that came with him. The money was there for both sides but Armstrong was an idiot. Then he gives that horrible contract to Krug as an F U to Petro. That is when the dominos began to fall for them.
Paryako is a decent defender who eats a ton of ice time. It’s just that he was ‘supposed’ to take Petro’s spot as the top dog and he just can’t make the jump. It’s not a ‘bad’ contract per se it’s more that he’s not made that jump to being the man that was hoped for.
Saad is what it is. He’s not bad…..streaky…..but he’s just another Ho hum style of player.
Binnington is a prick who I’m thankful that he was on fire in 2019 and much of 2020 leading into the playoffs. Covid fucked the Blues more than any team out there because they were playing well and primed for a Cup defense. But since then Binnington has been a headache and I have a hunch his teammates don’t like him. They played way better in front of Husso last year and ot looks like they’re doing the same this year.
I am happy with the Cup Tim…..believe me. As I said, that was such an awesome time and experience. I just don’t like watching lazy hockey from the team I coach to the Blues. And that’s what the Blues are doing right now. Lazy and uninspired
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I tell ya, the Leafs are far from lazy. Having 5 of their top 8 D injured for various periods in the last two months (Muzzin, Reilly, Brodie, Benn, Mete), and still able to go on a 13-game unbeaten in regulation streak is pretty impressive. I mean, when you're hitting # 9, 10 and 11 in the depth chart for defence, and still have the 3rd best GAA in the league, something's working well.
And holy fuck is the tandem of Murray/Samsonov looking like aces for Dubas right now.
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The Leafs have went over two games without allowing a goal with those two goalies. Sure, it was against the Stars and Kings, but both teams have an uptick in scoring this year compared to last year.
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The Leafs have went over two games without allowing a goal with those two goalies. Sure, it was against the Stars and Kings, but both teams have an uptick in scoring this year compared to last year.
Dallas is 2nd in the league in GF (to Buffalo!?!?! I guess those big outbursts - 9 vs CBJ; 8 vs Detroit on 10/31; 6 vs Blues help a lot).
Kings are 4th.
So yeah, B2B shutouts with 2 different goalies, and 4 injured D is
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I picked the Leafs to win the Cup last year, so I guess they're the faves this year for me again.
Which would be funny if they waited for Chad to become a Sabres fan and THEN they finally win the Cup. :lol
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On a completely unrelated note, Husso was HUGE in a big Red Wings win over the Bolts last night.
Faced 30 shots in the third and stopped 28, definitely impressive. Detroit needs to work on tightening up their late game defense but Husso has been a great surprise. I had expected him and Ned to battle it out more, but so far he has been the go-to man.
Overall, with the expectations I had for this team coming into the season, with all the new players joining and a new head coach, I am pleasantly amazed they are where they are. I have no delusions of grandeur that the playoffs are in the offing, though anything is possible I suppose, but I have been very impressed with the whole team and Lalonde as coach. It is just nice to see the rebuild starting to maybe trend upwards now under Yzerman. Everyone seems to have their heads in the right places, not looking too far ahead but not dwelling too much on the past.
Yeah, and even if the Wings don't make it, just being in a good enough place to really go battle for a spot late in the regular season would be huge. And up until last night's very bad game, I was thinking they really were keeping things together really well night in and night out for awhile and might have that more realistic shot. It seems they just have that really off game every so often.
On a related note, if Jennie were to get me a shirt/jersey for Christmas, who would you go with?
I have a Seider shirt, but it got messed up in the wash a bit.
My probable candidates include:
Seider
Hronek
Husso
Kubalik
Larkin
Soderblom
Raymond
If you're thinking long term, I'd say Seider, Larkin or Raymond. Hronek has been outstanding this year, but I don't know if he is for sure part of the long term plan. Kubalik has been equally outstanding, but same as Hronek, I'm not sure if the Wings keep him long term. If Ken Holland was still GM, he'd probably have given Kubalik a 7-yr, 35-mil deal with a full NMC already. :D. You could also go off the board and get a Berggren jersey. Doing what he's been doing on the 4th line so far has been awesome to see!
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I think most teams' fans would be OK with a trade that brought them a single Stanley, even if it meant trading away top notch prospects with bright futures. This question was asked on TSN radio in Edmonton a few years ago: If you had to pick, would you prefer annual deep playoff runs to the conference or cup finals; or winning a Cup every 20 or 30 years?
Personally, I'd take the Stanley once a generation.
Yep, you take the Cup, without question.
For me, while I want the Blues to win and get frustrated when they lose in the playoffs, especially when our goalie gets run over and hurts our chances :censored :lol :biggrin:, nothing can ever take away 2019. As a sports fan, that was, in essence, the climatic moment of my sports fandom; everything else now is just gravy. :hat :hat
I get the sentiment behind that and totally agree......for our fanbase and organization......that 2019 run and Championship was just awesome to experience. For me, being able to experience that with my kids....what a great chunk of memories....then the parade weekend and all that.....just so much fun.
BUT....that doesn't buy perpetual tolerance for lazy, uninspired hockey. In fact, it only magnifies the expectations from the players and team. The Blues traditionally have been consistent with a workman's effort and you knew that even if they lost for the most part they were working their butts off and it was just the matter of one team has to lose.
That's not the case with this group of players and it's infuriating. Lazy ass playing plain and simple with no hint of it turning around. It's ugly....and due to Armstrong's willy nilly throwing NTC's at aging vets I don't see how anything can be done about it. It's just going to be ugly and no Cup win can excuse what we're seeing right now.
I get what you are saying, but just remember how for years Blues fans just thought, "Just let us win one Cup!!" Well, they did, and I don't intend to be greedy about it. :P Like I said, anything now is gravy, and I agree that it's no excuse for the situation they are in now, but I am just speaking from the perspective of one fan (me), who will gladly take more if we can get it, while still always being grateful for 2019.
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The Bruins have had a pretty favorable strength of schedule so far, but after tomorrow's game against Chicago, their next 10 games are:
@ TB W 5-3
@ Florida L 5-2
Canes W 3-2
TB W 3-1
Avs W 5-1
Vegas L 4-3 (SO)
@ Avs W 4-0
@ AZ L 4-3 WTF?
@ Vegas
NYI
Bruins outshoot the Coyotes 46-16 and lose. On the GWG, they got caught sleeping on a possible icing, giving up on the play. Even with the shot advantage, the Bruins simply had no fire tonight.
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Got to finish. Loss on B's.
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The Bruins have had a pretty favorable strength of schedule so far, but after tomorrow's game against Chicago, their next 10 games are:
@ TB W 5-3
@ Florida L 5-2
Canes W 3-2
TB W 3-1
Avs W 5-1
Vegas L 4-3 (SO)
@ Avs W 4-0
@ AZ L 4-3 WTF?
@ Vegas
NYI
Bruins outshoot the Coyotes 46-16 and lose. On the GWG, they got caught sleeping on a possible icing, giving up on the play. Even with the shot advantage, the Bruins simply had no fire tonight.
Ah yes... the old fallacy of playing to the level of your competition. Frustrating af. But I'm happy to see a loss on the Bs. Any sign that they might be coming back down to earth is appreciated.
SorryNotSorry
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Love you too Chad.
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During the Isles/Devils game last night ....
Hughes, who led all skaters in ice time (26:01), played the final 6:02. It is the longest shift since the NHL began tracking the stat in 2009-10.
Holy fuck.... 6+ minutes. That's insane. Wonder how many whistles there were in that time.
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Yeah, I didn't see the game last night but there was some chatter about it afterwards. There were a number of icings on the Islanders because the Devils had their goalie pulled for the last 7+ minutes of the game, and I think one team timeout and one TV timeout. And it was mostly possession time in the Islanders' zone, so not a lot of skating up and down the ice. Still, pretty nuts.
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Hughes, who led all skaters in ice time (26:01), played the final 6:02. It is the longest shift since the NHL began tracking the stat in 2009-10.
Holy fuck.... 6+ minutes. That's insane. Wonder how many whistles there were in that time.
I'd love to be able to go 6 minutes.
Wait wut?
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Mitch Marner is one greasy little motherfucker. The kid barely looks 16 y/o.
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Mitch Marner is one greasy little motherfucker. The kid barely looks 16 y/o.
He's been growing that 'stache since the beginning of Movember. He even teased himself about it at the end of the month when asked if he was looking forward to shaving it ... "my fiance likes whatever this is called on my face". :rollin
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/video/marner-credits-maple-leafs-teammates-for-record-tying-streak-despite-ugly-finish/ (fast forward to the final 20 seconds)
Nice to get an OT win finally. That was not a fun one to watch - literally... my DVR is fucked up, and kept freezing, so I missed the 1st and 3rd Leaf goals, and a couple of the Flames ones as well.
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The Bruins have had a pretty favorable strength of schedule so far, but after tomorrow's game against Chicago, their next 10 games are:
@ TB W 5-3
@ Florida L 5-2
Canes W 3-2
TB W 3-1
Avs W 5-1
Vegas L 4-3 (SO)
@ Avs W 4-0
@ AZ L 4-3 WTF?
@ Vegas W 3-1
NYI
Fuck yeah! Big boy win. Linus Ullmark is playing out of his tits.
This 10 games stretch was going to tell a lot, I was thinking. I'll update after the dreadedfirsthomegameafteraroadtrip, but that'll be it. I think the Kings are in after the Isles.
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Hell of a win tonight. Had to stay up even with the 5am wake up call.
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Hell of a win tonight. Had to stay up even with the 5am wake up call.
I've been on vacation this past week, and I'm actually still off tomorrow, returning Tuesday. Finally timed a vacation and B's Western road trip properly. :lol
Of course Pats tomorrow night..
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So... Leafs/Ducks tonight. Leafs haven't lost in regulation in 14 games; Ducks only have 1 regulation win all season; Ducks are on a B2B with travel (albeit, from Ottawa).
Pretty sure the Leafs will play down to their opposition, and the Ducks are going to win in regulation tonight.
:lol
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>:(
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The Bruins have had a pretty favorable strength of schedule so far, but after tomorrow's game against Chicago, their next 10 games are:
@ TB W 5-3
@ Florida L 5-2
Canes W 3-2
TB W 3-1
Avs W 5-1
Vegas L 4-3 (SO)
@ Avs W 4-0
@ AZ L 4-3 WTF?
@ Vegas W 3-1
NYI W 4-3 (SO)
7-2-1
I was curious to see how they'd do in this stretch.
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So... Leafs/Ducks tonight. Leafs haven't lost in regulation in 14 games; Ducks only have 1 regulation win all season; Ducks are on a B2B with travel (albeit, from Ottawa).
Pretty sure the Leafs will play down to their opposition, and the Ducks are going to win in regulation tonight.
:lol
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>:(
Geez, that game was tight! :lol
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So... Leafs/Ducks tonight. Leafs haven't lost in regulation in 14 games; Ducks only have 1 regulation win all season; Ducks are on a B2B with travel (albeit, from Ottawa).
Pretty sure the Leafs will play down to their opposition, and the Ducks are going to win in regulation tonight.
:lol
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>:(
Geez, that game was tight! :lol
:rollin
Yeah, apparently the Leafs were able to avoid playing down to the competition.
So, does Ovi get 800 on a hattie?
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^^ I mean it would make sense if he can get to 800 while on a hat trick on this game and hey, he did it.
Btw, don't watch the goal with the ESPN commentary. That was a garbage call. The Capitals radio announcers did it justice.
https://twitter.com/timandfriends/status/1602887494768410624
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JFC. Bertuzzi manages to injure both of his hands blocking shots in the course of the same season, and now Dylan Larkin has done the same to one of his. So far he's out for tonight, but no word on if he'll be out even longer.
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^^ I mean it would make sense if he can get to 800 while on a hat trick on this game and hey, he did it.
Btw, don't watch the goal with the ESPN commentary. That was a garbage call. The Capitals radio announcers did it justice.
https://twitter.com/timandfriends/status/1602887494768410624
Chelsea Dagger that!
Ovechkin now has 20 goals in 31 games this year (.6452 goals per game), which is fairly on par with what he did over the prior 5 seasons (222 goals in 353 games for .6289 goals per game). He's on a pace for 52 goals this season, which would be his highest number since 2014-15, which would take him to 832. If he can stay healthy, snatch up the tickets for whenever Washington comes to your town in 2024-25.
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Love love love Minnesota's retro uniforms!
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Holy fuck players are stupid and careless these days. I just saw the Reaves hit on Hronek. WTF was Hronek doing!?!?! I've said it plenty over the years, players do not learn how to properly keep themselves out of dangerous positions. They expect the refs to keep them protected far too often, and then shit like this happens. I don't mean to victim blame, but this is entirely Hronek's fault.
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Holy fuck players are stupid and careless these days. I just saw the Reaves hit on Hronek. WTF was Hronek doing!?!?! I've said it plenty over the years, players do not learn how to properly keep themselves out of dangerous positions. They expect the refs to keep them protected far too often, and then shit like this happens. I don't mean to victim blame, but this is entirely Hronek's fault.
Part of the issue is more and more players are ‘allowed’ to skate around like that because more and more those types of legal hits aren’t being laid on these players.
You get an “old school” guy like Reaves seeing some guy skating around like he’s not going to get hit and he is licking his chops.
100% legal hit and IMO a few of these ‘pretty boy’ players need to receive two or three of these a year to keep them honest.
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Fuck. I was at a work party last night, didn't see the game, any highlights, etc. Don't know anything about this Hronek hit, hopes he's not injured.
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Okay, you can absolutely line up and deliver a big hit to Hronek there. BUT the primary point of contact was the head, which is incredibly dirty. Reaves should be seeing a suspension, and hopefully a lengthy one.
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Principal point of contact was the chest, not the head. The DPS has already said there will be no supplemental discipline. One of the things they consider in deciding whether supplemental discipline is appropriate: "Whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position by assuming a posture that made head contact on an otherwise full body check unavoidable." Rule 48.1(ii). Per the Wings' coach: "I think Fil would want his play back, obviously exposing himself." Even the Wings players don't think it was dirty.
From a Wings blog: https://www.audacy.com/971theticket/sports/detroit-red-wings/ryan-reaves-wont-face-discipline-for-hit-on-filip-hronek
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Principal point of contact was the chest, not the head. The DPS has already said there will be no supplemental discipline. One of the things they consider in deciding whether supplemental discipline is appropriate: "Whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position by assuming a posture that made head contact on an otherwise full body check unavoidable." Rule 48.1(ii). Per the Wings' coach: "I think Fil would want his play back, obviously exposing himself." Even the Wings players don't think it was dirty.
From a Wings blog: https://www.audacy.com/971theticket/sports/detroit-red-wings/ryan-reaves-wont-face-discipline-for-hit-on-filip-hronek
Yeah.....that was a 'clean' hit because of the point made here.....principal point of contact was the body/chest. Sure, the head eventually took some flak but it wasn't targeted. It was a stand up and fair hit.
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I think we may sometimes lose sight of the fact that the rule doesn't prohibit any contact with an opponent's head. The rule (48.1) is as follows: "A hit resulting in contact with an opponent’s head where the head was the main point of contact and such contact to the head was avoidable is not permitted." For the rule to be violated all of the following must be present: (1) contact with an opponent's head; (2) the head must be the main point of contact; and (3) the contact with the head must be avoidable.
The rule then goes on to cite things that should be considered in "determining whether contact with an opponent's head was avoidable":
"(i) Whether the player attempted to hit squarely through the
opponent’s body and the head was not "picked" as a result of poor
timing, poor angle of approach, or unnecessary extension of the
body upward or outward.
(ii) Whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position by
assuming a posture that made head contact on an otherwise full
body check unavoidable.
(iii) Whether the opponent materially changed the position of his body
or head immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit in a way
that significantly contributed to the head contact."
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Okay, you can absolutely line up and deliver a big hit to Hronek there. BUT the primary point of contact was the head, which is incredibly dirty. Reaves should be seeing a suspension, and hopefully a lengthy one.
I kinda see what you're saying, but I still think you're full of shit. HOW THE FUCK ELSE IS HE SUPPOSED TO HIT HIM?? Hronek is accelerating and leaning forward. Would you rather Reaves lean down even further and Goldberg-spear him?? Unless the NHL simply wants to eliminate open-ice hits, players have to stop putting themselves in vulnerable positions.
Man, you're a Detroit homer already! :lol
This video breaks it down perfectly, imo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvG87E08zQo (2 mins)
Again, this one is fully on Hronek, imo.
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Clean hit I suppose, but even as someone who HATES the Red Wings, I don't like seeing someone drilled like that. I love a good clean hit, but not when the head is involved. Reaves, like most hockey enforcers, is basically a thug on skates, so you always have to be alert when he is around obviously.
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So at the Edmonton vs. St Louis game, and the Blues open up with a penalty for not having the listed 5 skaters start the game. Didn't even know that was a rule. Anyways, Blues paid for it lol
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I mean it sounds like such a simple rule that there's no way any team should get a penalty on it. Just start with the five skaters on your list on the ice.
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So at the Edmonton vs. St Louis game, and the Blues open up with a penalty for not having the listed 5 skaters start the game. Didn't even know that was a rule. Anyways, Blues paid for it lol
Yeah…..that was weird.
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Okay, you can absolutely line up and deliver a big hit to Hronek there. BUT the primary point of contact was the head, which is incredibly dirty. Reaves should be seeing a suspension, and hopefully a lengthy one.
I kinda see what you're saying, but I still think you're full of shit. HOW THE FUCK ELSE IS HE SUPPOSED TO HIT HIM?? Hronek is accelerating and leaning forward. Would you rather Reaves lean down even further and Goldberg-spear him?? Unless the NHL simply wants to eliminate open-ice hits, players have to stop putting themselves in vulnerable positions.
Man, you're a Detroit homer already! :lol
This video breaks it down perfectly, imo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvG87E08zQo (2 mins)
Again, this one is fully on Hronek, imo.
You can't claim to want head hits out of the game and then allow a hit with the principle point of contact to the head just go unpunished.
In many senses of the word, this was a clean hit, I get it. But it was also a extremely dangerous hit. Sort of like when a guy turns at the last second leading to a boarding call, as shitty as it is, you gotta recognize and not follow through with everything you wanted to do to a player there. Reaves has to find a way to not fucking plow a guy primarily through the head.
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This video breaks it down perfectly, imo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvG87E08zQo (2 mins)
Tough Call's respective and more detailed take, which I agree with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q-DByxKBy8
He extended forward and left due to a weight transfer which picked the head as a result, staying centered would've got him square on Hronek's body. You can't really claim that the main point of contact was shoulder/chest after the slow-mos in that video. As for Hronek doing what he did, it was apparently a miscommunication where he thought there's a delayed penalty and was checking for an assumed goalie pull. Regardless, he didn't change his posture prior to the hit so it doesn't really matter per the rules.
You can't claim to want head hits out of the game and then allow a hit with the principle point of contact to the head just go unpunished.
Completely agree. The NHL has a somewhat toxic stance on hits to the head with the "it's just how it is" attitude and victim blaming, even though we know what kind of dire consequences brain trauma can have. Players getting hit to the head are actually just in a normal athletic posture in a lot of these cases, you cant skate fast with a straight back.
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I guess we'll just agree to disagree.
He extended forward and left due to a weight transfer which picked the head as a result, staying centered would've got him square on Hronek's body.
When watching it real time, I cannot begin to fathom how someone can think that Reaves' weight transfer was to "pick the head" as the principle point of contact. It's just more likely that he was simply and naturally bracing for the impact.
Look, I'm not fan of Reaves or care much about the Wild, nor do I have any ill-will to the Wings. But a suspension here would be BS. The ONLY way to 100% remove head contact is to make it a non-contact league. Period. The league's responsibility is to hold players accountable to situations that were avoidable. Reaves was not the individual that made the head contact in this hit "unavoidable". You want to suspend someone because of this head contact, suspend Hronek. And I'm only 96% joking. It's never gonna happen (nor should it happen), but players need to make it THEIR OWN responsibility to proactively protect themselves, rather than rely on the refs or DPS handing out penalties and fines and suspensions to remove head contact. Play the fucking game smarter. When I cross the road, I look both ways. I don't rely on the laws and the po-po and the hospital to protect my wellbeing. I take responsibility for that. Players (in all sports) should as well.
And Nick ... yes, I do think many of the boarding penalties and suspensions are bullshit when a player turns his numbers to the hitter abruptly, and there is no way for the hitter to change course.
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You can't claim to want head hits out of the game and then allow a hit with the principle point of contact to the head just go unpunished.
In many senses of the word, this was a clean hit, I get it. But it was also a extremely dangerous hit. Sort of like when a guy turns at the last second leading to a boarding call, as shitty as it is, you gotta recognize and not follow through with everything you wanted to do to a player there. Reaves has to find a way to not fucking plow a guy primarily through the head.
The principal point of contact was NOT the head. Was it a dangerous hit? Yeah, it was. Hockey's a bit of a dangerous sport. I quoted the rule. If the puck carrier is going to act in a manner that is inconsistent with a concern for his own safety, the opponent, who makes a legal hit, shouldn't be penalized or disciplined.
Stated differently, what Chad said.
Oh...and also....kudos to the Kings for finally pulling their collective head out of their ass and getting a big win on the last game of a long road trip!
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You can't claim to want head hits out of the game and then allow a hit with the principle point of contact to the head just go unpunished.
In many senses of the word, this was a clean hit, I get it. But it was also a extremely dangerous hit. Sort of like when a guy turns at the last second leading to a boarding call, as shitty as it is, you gotta recognize and not follow through with everything you wanted to do to a player there. Reaves has to find a way to not fucking plow a guy primarily through the head.
The principal point of contact was NOT the head. Was it a dangerous hit? Yeah, it was. Hockey's a bit of a dangerous sport. I quoted the rule. If the puck carrier is going to act in a manner that is inconsistent with a concern for his own safety, the opponent, who makes a legal hit, shouldn't be penalized or disciplined.
Stated differently, what Chad said.
Oh...and also....kudos to the Kings for finally pulling their collective head out of their ass and getting a big win on the last game of a long road trip!
I guess I'm watching a different video then. He literally makes contact first and follows right through at the head. Everything else is secondary to that.
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Take off your homer glasses. :biggrin:
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The Bruins can keep blowin their wad all regular season long. The easier the season is for them, the harder the playoffs will be. Just ask the last sevem President's Trophy winners.
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Meant to post this earlier, but that win last night over Tampa was sweet. Total domination of them - at one point the shots were 25-5; 8 shots by Tampa thru 2 periods was the lowest total of any team all season. And despite 2 x EN goals, 4-1 was indicative of how much Toronto out-played them. The Bolts had a strong 3rd period, but the Leafs looked solid to fend them off.
Next Gen game tomorrow, which is always fun as hell to watch - I had to go back and watch the highlights of the 2019 game against the 'Canes earlier. That was such a roller coaster of a game.
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I agree, the win over Tampa last night was indeed sweet. :D
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The Bruins can keep blowin their wad all regular season long. The easier the season is for them, the harder the playoffs will be. Just ask the last sevem President's Trophy winners.
You face will be covered then. Oh, and I like that this team wins front running, Coming from behind (Giggity), winning with 7 goals and winning with 3 goals. They seem to win in multiple ways which bodes well in the playoffs.
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Well, Ovi did it. He tied Gordie Howe's goals at 801 and then broke it for 802 on an empty netter. He didn't initially wanted to take the shot.
801 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf8p8yd0zrs)
802 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQbIqz723h4)
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Well, I enjoyed the first and third period of that Devils - Bruins game last night :lol. Definitely back down to earth after that ridiculous hot streak, but still liking the underlying play a lot of the time.
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Well, Ovi did it. He tied Gordie Howe's goals at 801 and then broke it for 802 on an empty netter. He didn't initially wanted to take the shot.
801 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf8p8yd0zrs)
802 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQbIqz723h4)
What's interesting to me is that it seemed like 6-7 years ago, it seemed like Crosby would go down as the best player on his generation all-time over Ovechkin, but I don't think that will be the case now. Crosby will have more championships won, but Ovechkin got his Cup and now will end up as either the number 1 or 2 goal scorer of all time, so I think he has passed Crosby now without a doubt. One would really have to work hard to make the case otherwise now.
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Well, Ovi did it. He tied Gordie Howe's goals at 801 and then broke it for 802 on an empty netter. He didn't initially wanted to take the shot.
801 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf8p8yd0zrs)
802 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQbIqz723h4)
What's interesting to me is that it seemed like 6-7 years ago, it seemed like Crosby would go down as the best player on his generation all-time over Ovechkin, but I don't think that will be the case now. Crosby will have more championships won, but Ovechkin got his Cup and now will end up as either the number 1 or 2 goal scorer of all time, so I think he has passed Crosby now without a doubt. One would really have to work hard to make the case otherwise now.
One thing that stood out to me was a graphic put up during the recent Red Wings / Capitals game. It showed the four highest goal scorers since Ovi's draft, and how many hits they have. Now of course all those guys make their impact in plenty of ways, but the gap was huge. 2, 3, and 4 (which included Crosby) were hanging around 500 hits, while Ovi was over 3,000.
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Well, this is a fun thing to watch. Watching the World Juniors and saw Canada lose to the Czechs, 5-2, in the prelims. A bit bummed though that Brandt Clarke got a goal waived off due to offsides. He's pretty much the only reason I have some form of "investment" in watching this, since he's a Kings top D prospect. Ever since that goal got waived off, things went really south for Canada.
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Well, this is a fun thing to witness. Watching the World Juniors and saw Canada lose to the Czechs, 5-2, in the prelims. A bit bummed though that Brandt Clarke got a goal waived off due to offsides. He's pretty the only reason I have some form of "investment" in watching this, since he's a Kings top D prospect. Ever since that goal got waived off, things went really south for Canada.
Yeah, that was NOT a good effort by the Canucks.
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FUCK YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
May not be a Flyers fan anymore, but a 5-4 win after a 0-4 start against the Penguins still naturally feels extra amazing.
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B's win against a very good team again. They win in so many ways. It's impressive. Never expected this.
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B's win against a very good team again. They win in so many ways. It's impressive. Never expected this.
That game had zero flow.
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Again, they win in many ways.
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A couple days late, but the Kings win over Vegas on Tuesday was HUGE. The Kings have been hanging out in 2nd place in Pacific division, but that's been primarily because the Kings have played more games than almost any other team (as of the time I type this, only Vegas has played the same number of games (38), and only Calgary has played 37). Kind of an obvious statement, but the Kings need to win as many games as possible - especially against division opponents - to stockpile points before early February when they'll have ten full days off, during which time other teams will be accumulating points. They seem to have settled down with some of their earlier defensive idiocy, and the game against Vegas was won of the most well-played games (by both teams) I've seen in quite a long time.
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I'm very much surprised by both the Kings and Kraken this season. I figured LA would be competing for a WC, and Seattle wouldn't even be in the picture. Seattle has cooled off a little, but they'll absolutely be competing down the stretch. Should be exciting for their fans.
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I'm just frothing man. I don't care if the Avs has key players injured. Coming all the way back from a 4-2 deficit going into the 3rd and winning it at the shootout is a great pep in the Kings' step.
I will give massive props to Cale Makar. That guy was wrecking havoc in the 2nd. Doing things that peak Drew Doughty used to do, and looking dangerous doing it.
Edit: Looking at the other scoreboards. WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE LEAFS LOST AT THE MULLET AGAINST THE YOTES 6-3??? The Coyotes with three straight wins in that small building against the Kings, Avs, and Leafs in the last week. Wow.
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I watched the Kings game on delay, so I just finished it. HUGE 2 points! And Byfield with time on the #1 line. Love to see this guy positioning himself as a future #1 center candidate. Hope he keeps it up!
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I'm very much surprised by both the Kings and Kraken this season. I figured LA would be competing for a WC, and Seattle wouldn't even be in the picture. Seattle has cooled off a little, but they'll absolutely be competing down the stretch. Should be exciting for their fans.
Ironically, I followed the Kraken closer last season than I have this year. But I’ve just had a lot going on.
I am following the standings and it makes me excited that I think the playoffs are a sure thing. I mean…it’s a sure thing for 2/3rds of the entire league, but still it’s nice to be in them for the first time.
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Jesus fucking Christ. The Coyotes are like Kryptonite for the Leafs. I heard a stat during the brodcast that the Coyotes are 17-4-1 (make that 18 now) vs the Leafs. What the actual fuq?
Also, that arena is awful to watch a game. The lighting is simply atrocious - dull color, shadows, glare off the ice.
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Jesus fucking Christ. The Coyotes are like Kryptonite for the Leafs. I heard a stat during the brodcast that the Coyotes are 17-4-1 (make that 18 now) vs the Leafs. What the actual fuq?
Also, that arena is awful to watch a game. The lighting is simply atrocious - dull color, shadows, glare off the ice.
That is freaking weird......
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Chad, that almost seems impossible. Crazy. Those numbers are mindblowing.
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First time this year the Leafs blew a 3rd period lead to lose in regular time. TO THE FUCKING COYOTES!
Arizona is 7-3-2 at Mullett Arena, including 6-1-1 in December. I do think that the lighting in the fucking place is going to give them some home ice advantage. Seriously, if you haven't seen it, it's fucking horrible. Scroll thru the images at https://www.nhl.com/news/toronto-maple-leafs-arizona-coyotes-game-recap/c-339191216. That's how the fucking arena looks - at least, that's how the broadcast looked.
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Seriously, if you haven't seen it, it's fucking horrible. Scroll thru the images
Eww...haven't seen it yet and yes.....that's definitely shouts 'amateur' arena. Very well could be a home ice advantage type thing like having to skate against the AV's on their home ice with the altitude deal.
Our club rink that my son plays on has a 'quirk' in the corner where the doors are for the zamboni. If you ring the puck along the ice around the boards from the opposite point....it will hit a weird little spot where the ice meets the far right door and it'll pop out off the boards towards the middle of the ice. When your attacking that end it makes for an 'interesting' pass that we certainly practice and know about. And when you're defending....same thing....
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The ice must be shit as well. I saw players (both teams) just randomly fall for no reason at all at least 1/2 a dozen times.
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The B's lost to them there too.
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The ice must be shit as well. I saw players (both teams) just randomly fall for no reason at all at least 1/2 a dozen times.
When the Kings played there before Christmas, the announcers said that a bunch of players had talked about the ice being really fast.
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B's win against a very good team again. They win in so many ways. It's impressive. Never expected this.
A frustrating set of games for me. I think I saw that we controlled 61% of the shot attempts across the two games, which is the best anyone's done against Boston this year, but a couple of rough bounces and a couple of big saves by Ullmark and we came away with zero points.
Kind of an odd game against then Penguins last night, somebody must have shit in the ref's cereal as there were 15 total penalties called. Pittsburgh ended up 0-9 on the power play while also conceding a shorthanded goal and we ended the year with a much-needed win.
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Frustrating that a team can look so deflated against an opponent like AZ, but then look so in control against a team like the Avs.
Jeckyl and fucking Hyde sometimes.
Washington and Carolina on a fucking tear.
Boston ... would you fucking lose for once at home! holy shit... Half the fucking home games done, and they've yet to lose in regular time. Remarkable.
Buffalo has a 6 game winning streak. If they could just keep the puck out of their net, they'd be a VERY serious threat. Whoulda thunk they would be the top offensive team in the league to this point?!?!?
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So it's been announced that next year's Winter Classic will be in Seattle. Kraken vs Golden Knights. All right. I think it will be a good matchup by then.
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So it's been announced that next year's Winter Classic will be in Seattle. Kraken vs Golden Knights. All right. I think it will be a good matchup by then.
It's a decent matchup right now!
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So it's been announced that next year's Winter Classic will be in Seattle. Kraken vs Golden Knights. All right. I think it will be a good matchup by then.
It's a decent matchup right now!
Yup. Vegas is still, sadly, the team to beat in the Pacific; but the Kraken can absolutely compete with them.
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Nice Winter Classic today. Even better music during the 2nd intermission 👍😉
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Oh I feel confident that the Kraken can compete with the Golden Knights. My post was questioning if the Golden Knights would still be good by then at this time next year.
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Oh I feel confident that the Kraken can compete with the Golden Knights. My post was questioning if the Golden Knights would still be good by then at this time next year.
They'd have to fall off the performance cliff for that to be the case. I think lots of folks (most folks?) thought they'd be a bubble playoff team this season, and yet our Oil and Kings have been looking up at them in the standings all season. I wouldn't bet against them being good again next season.
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Went to a hockey game today...
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Nice! Could you actually see what was happening?
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Nice! Could you actually see what was happening?
Definitely. All three goals were scored in tight at our end, and we couldn't actually see those. The biggest issue I had was my depth perception was a bit off at times, but the telecast was playing in the center field screen, so if I needed to recalculate quickly, I just had to glance up briefly. But we had a clear view of the goal at the opposite end.
Being that low, it was amazing to see just how big some of these guys are. Evgeny Malkin for one. He's a fucking giant.
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So freaking cool Tim. That’s incredible.
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If only the game was one second longer!
Canada / Slovakia Jr game was off-the-charts entertaining - although nerve-racking. The Slovakian goalie was something else, and Canada hit 5 posts in the third period alone, and another in OT. Bedard's winner was God-tier. He literally walked through/around all 3 players, and around the goalie (who I kinda felt bad for - he almost deserved to steal that one for his team). If Canada wins Gold, that goal will go down as a thing of legends (Bedard already had 5 SOG in OT at that point). Slovakia was a tough out.
USA on Wednesday. Hopefully it's just as entertaining, with a similar outcome.
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That's awesome TAC! I imagine that Fenway is actually a great atmosphere for a hockey game. I thought it was cool how the Bruins rolled into the game wearing throwback Red Sox unis. That was a nice touch!
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Anyone else watch the CAN/USA game tonight? It could (should) have just as easily been a 5-2 USA victory. Milic was the second coming of Marc Andre Fleury - I :omg:'d at least 1/2 a dozen times. Canada was outplayed for most of the game, but fortune was on their side. The 1st goalie-interference call was iffy (could've gone either way); but the 2nd one was clearly a non-goal. They capitalized on their chances, but the Americans couldn't (3 posts during the game - 2 of them in the 3rd).
Revenge game for Gold against Czechia tomorrow night.
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That game was fixed.
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That game was fixed.
Fixed by Milic making all the saves he did. I thought the refs did a good job, letting a lot of marginal calls go. The Americans benefitted from that as much (if not more) than the Canadians. USA looked like the better team overall, but the Canadians got the better goaltending.
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got the better goaltending.
Goalies can certainly steal a game and get into the heads of the players with each great save. Just happened to the team I coach. We outplayed, outshot and outclassed a team the entire game but lost 1-0. Their freaking goalie was just incredible for that game.
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I didn't watch the USA/Sweden game, but watching the highlights...
Obviously with an 8-7 score this shouldn't be a shock, but seeing the goals..the goaltending was atrocious.
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Good game last night Gary and Kev. Devils generated some chances, but Binnington was just on last night.
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Good game last night Gary and Kev. Devils generated some chances, but Binnington was just on last night.
He's been like that this season. He's faced a ton of shots and his stats aren't great....but he has kept the Blues in a lot of games. The Devils were swarming all night.....lots of young, quick, skilled players. That has to be a blast to watch on a nightly basis.
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Good game last night Gary and Kev. Devils generated some chances, but Binnington was just on last night.
He's been like that this season. He's faced a ton of shots and his stats aren't great....but he has kept the Blues in a lot of games. The Devils were swarming all night.....lots of young, quick, skilled players. That has to be a blast to watch on a nightly basis.
Yeah, they've been a lot of fun this season (although moreso in November when it was all Ws :lol). Very exciting times though as after a few years of underperforming now we're overperforming preseason expectations for a change. And we've got a couple highly regarded D prospects who should be with the club next season or maybe even the latter part of this one.
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I see the Red Wings and Husso aren't doing so well since that hot start...
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It looks like they have been overtaken by the Buffalo Sabres??? Can't see the Sabres having enough in the tank in getting a spot, but they will make other teams in the hunt sweat. I imagine 5 teams in the Metro and 3 in the Atlantic will get in, unless the Sabres throws a wrench in those plans.
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Watching the Wings/Panthers tonight...
I didn't know Evermind was coaching the Red Wings.
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It looks like they have been overtaken by the Buffalo Sabres??? Can't see the Sabres having enough in the tank in getting a spot, but they will make other teams in the hunt sweat. I imagine 5 teams in the Metro and 3 in the Atlantic will get in, unless the Sabres throws a wrench in those plans.
If they could only play a little defense and get consistent goaltending. That part of their game is starting to come together, but it might be too little, too late for this year. They're exiting as fuck to watch though. I think (hope?) they'll be playing meaningful games in March/April - they should be able to stay in the hunt for a while, but I don't suspect they'll catch the 8th spot. And it seems unfathomable how much Florida has regressed. I always knew they were punching WAAAAAAY out of their weight-class last year, but man they are not good this year. Apparently, their trade for Chiarot at the deadline was not a "top-10 protected" 1st round pick. I'm sure Montreal is salivating at the thought they are going to get a really high draft pick out of that move.
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I see the Red Wings and Husso aren't doing so well since that hot start...
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I mean, at this point they are more where they are expected. Injuries have hit hard, basically without two top 6 forwards all season in Bertuzzi and Vrana. And now the latter seems like he may never return to form following an injury and time in the player assistance program. Still, lots of positive signs from this year. And time yet to go on another run and potentially push for the playoffs. Fabbri is also back now which could be big if he shows top form quickly. Wouldn't say I'm happy with where they've been at, especially lately, but it's not off a cliff from the season's expectations.
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It’s a good time to be facing the Leafs. They usually honk in January.
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Ended up being a great rivalry game between the Devils and the Rangers yesterday. I thought Shesterkin was going to steal one for NY, but we were able to erase a 3-1 defecit in the third and then win it in OT. A three point game gives Jack Hughes 49G and 100P over his last 82, can't believe we've got him locked in at 8M a season for the rest of the decade.
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Well, then. That was a pretty exciting Kings/Oilers game to watch. Kings scored 4 PP goals on 7 attempts. Oilers went 0 for 6 on the PP, which was a pretty shocking result for both teams. Three fights occurred and a lot of nastiness in the game. As good as a run as the Kings are rolling in this nice stretch, they can't seem to fend off the Kraken. The Kraken haven't fallen harder yet and I thought they were going to fall at some point after a not a great stretch in December, but here they are. Five wins in a row with 5 less games played than the Kings and only four points that separates them.
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Well, then. That was a pretty exciting Kings/Oilers game to watch. Kings scored 4 PP goals on 7 attempts. Oilers went 0 for 6 on the PP, which was a pretty shocking result for both teams. Three fights occurred and a lot of nastiness in the game. As good as a run as the Kings are rolling in this nice stretch, they can't seem to fend off the Kraken. The Kraken haven't fallen harder yet and I thought they were going to fall at some point after a not a great stretch in December, but here they are. Five wins in a row with 5 less games played than the Kings and only four points that separates them.
That game was INTENSE! Phillip Danault dropping the gloves?!
The biggest problem is that the Kings are only going to play 9 games in the next 32 days (including today). Over the same period of time, Seattle will play 13 games, and that still won't completely close the games-in-hand gap. I just hope that, with Seattle having to play 10 games between today and the end of February, the team won't be able to maintain its 1.282 points per game played average and pass the Kings in the standings.
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Just taking a peek at the Pacific ...
The Kraken are on a bit of a heater! And have a better goal differential than the Knights.
Jesus... LA has the same number of GA as the Coyotes! Shit, even the Blackhawks have fewer GA. Good thing they've got a strong offense.
Edmonton... going thru another mid-year slump. Weren't they like 5-15 during one stretch last year in December/January?
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Edmonton... going thru another mid-year slump. Weren't they like 5-15 during one stretch last year in December/January?
If I had to live in Edmonton in December and January I'd be hard pressed to do better than 5-15 myself.
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Blues are dicking around and getting us fans excited. They've looked like a better and different team since O'Reily and Tarasenko went on IR. Plus we have four defensemen hurt as well...Krug, Bortuzzo, Leddy, Perunovich....so, Personally I think it marks a clear path for Armstrong to shop/trade them for future assets and let the crew we have in place now finish the season.
They aren't winning the Cup this year by any means (way too inexperience of a D Corps) and 'if' they do make the playoffs they're an 'upset the first round opponent' type of team.....but they've shown that they can play well without some of these 'key' players in place and that the younger players are ready for the next step.... Lets move on and move into the future
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Totally agree, Gary. I think this speaks volumes to how good Berube is, that the team is playing well despite missing many of their best/better players. I will always have a soft spot for O'Reilly and (especially) Tarasenko, as '19 never happens without both playing at a high level, but it is time to move from them. It is clear that neither wants to be here anymore.
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Edmonton... going thru another mid-year slump. Weren't they like 5-15 during one stretch last year in December/January?
If I had to live in Edmonton in December and January I'd be hard pressed to do better than 5-15 myself.
It actually hasn't been too bad this January with mostly single digit below freezing temps (in Celsius, mind you). December, however, was atrocious. And at least we don't get shit loads of snow. Just brutal, dry cold, which beats shoveling 6ft snow drifts. Or being buried alive in your car.
Oil are in a world of trouble if they can't turn right this ship. Campbell is at least picking it up a bit, but overall the team isn't performing. They were supposed to be competing for the division, not barely hanging on in the wildcard race. My guess is Holland is done for if they miss the playoffs
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Kraken vs. B's Thursday night.
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I’m psyched about that one. The Kraken are red hot right now, but I don’t think they’ll beat the B’s on their home ice.
It would be a heck of a statement if they did though.
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I’m psyched about that one. The Kraken are red hot right now, but I don’t think they’ll beat the B’s on their home ice.
It would be a heck of a statement if they did though.
I'd prefer it if they did.
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I’m psyched about that one. The Kraken are red hot right now, but I don’t think they’ll beat the B’s on their home ice.
It would be a heck of a statement if they did though.
I'd prefer it if they did.
I think all of us non-Bruins fans prefer that. This has been a great run, but there has to come a time where the Bs will lose in regulation at home this season.
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I’m psyched about that one. The Kraken are red hot right now, but I don’t think they’ll beat the B’s on their home ice.
It would be a heck of a statement if they did though.
I'd prefer it if they did.
I think all of us non-Bruins fans would. This has been a great run, but there has to come a time where the Bs will lose in regulation at home this season.
As a Kings fan, I'd very much prefer if the Bruins laid the wood to Seattle in regulation.
On another note, I just got really nice seats for my son and I to attend the Dustin Brown jersey retirement game next month (courtesy of my StubHub class action settlement credit)! I'll have to start saving up for the Kopitar, Quick and Doughty ceremonies that will be happening in the next 5-6 years.
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I’m psyched about that one. The Kraken are red hot right now, but I don’t think they’ll beat the B’s on their home ice.
It would be a heck of a statement if they did though.
I'd prefer it if they did.
I think all of us non-Bruins fans prefer that. This has been a great run, but there has to come a time where the Bs will lose in regulation at home this season.
Not vs. The Kraken though. It's in Seattle. The B's will definitely lose at home in regulation. It would be imaginable not to lose in regulation at home.
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I’m psyched about that one. The Kraken are red hot right now, but I don’t think they’ll beat the B’s on their home ice.
It would be a heck of a statement if they did though.
I'd prefer it if they did.
I think all of us non-Bruins fans prefer that. This has been a great run, but there has to come a time where the Bs will lose in regulation at home this season.
Not vs. The Kraken though. It's in Seattle. The B's will definitely lose at home in regulation. It would be imaginable not to lose in regulation at home.
Just so long as it's in mid April. :biggrin:
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We know how you fare against us in April. Lololol
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We know how you fare against us in April. Lololol
Oh man .... right in the nads with that one, eh?
Solid win by the blue-and-white tonight. Goaltending clinic put on by both Murray and Saros. Nice PP marker to seal the W.
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I’m psyched about that one. The Kraken are red hot right now, but I don’t think they’ll beat the B’s on their home ice.
It would be a heck of a statement if they did though.
I'd prefer it if they did.
I think all of us non-Bruins fans prefer that. This has been a great run, but there has to come a time where the Bs will lose in regulation at home this season.
Not vs. The Kraken though. It's in Seattle. The B's will definitely lose at home in regulation. It would be imaginable not to lose in regulation at home.
Really? Unless Google lied to me, tomorrow's game is in Boston.
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Anywho, Kings swept the Sharks this season. First time they have ever done it. Solid stuff. James Reimer looked really hard to beat until Vilardi and Doughty potted two goals in the 3rd. Byfield finally gets a multi-point game this season. A goal and assist. Maybe playing on Kopitar's wing is the answer for him for his development. Rather than center a 3rd or 4th line, he plays shotgun with the best guy possible and learn off of Kopitar on what it takes to be a top line C.
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I was gonna say. I wasn’t sure if it was me or king that was confused.
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Yeah, I was thinking 'if Boston is flying to the west coast, and then back home to play Toronto on Saturday, that ought to bode well for the Leafs'! lol
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I am wrong. They were on the west coast so I assumed it was at the Kraken. Oops! :lol
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I don’t know what I was expecting, but Kraken up 2-0 after two was not it.
If we hold onto this, I’d say that’s quite an achievement!
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I don’t know what I was expecting, but Kraken up 2-0 after two was not it.
If we hold onto this, I’d say that’s quite an achievement!
Looks promising for you jammin!
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Game over. Congrats Kraken! I feel bad for Toronto.
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Wow! A shutout! I was expecting a tough loss, or a hairline win. I was absolutely not expecting a shutout! I am really stoked now!
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Whilst I'm bummed that the Kraken got the win, at least, the Leafs won't get the chance to end that streak in Boston on Saturday and I wouldn't be able to handle the smugness if that happened.
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Maybe you can continue the Leafs recent losing streak. :D
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Frick...Vegas and Seattle both won yesterday. Florida had Vegas down 2-1 more than halfway through the 3rd and gave up two unanswered goals plus an ENG. The Pacific race is going to go down to the wire.
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^^ I'm more mad at the Golden Knights/Panthers game than the Kraken beating the Bs. Screw the Panthers for that.
I do want to see that 1st round pick they traded in this year's draft ends up in Top 10. So far, only three teams have traded their 1st round picks in the 2023 draft and I think the Stars and Bolts are happy about those trades. Panthers, not so much.
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Montreal is loving it!
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Wow! Kraken score 4 goals in the first 5 shots and 12 minutes. So Chicago makes a change at goaltender.
The first *TWO* shots on goal are in the net.
6-1 in the first. WOW!
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Calm your tits. It’s Chicago.
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It’s an all time NHL record 7 game road win streak
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Calm your tits. It’s Chicago.
Is it really necessary to rib the Bedardhawks at every opportunity?
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Calm your tits. It’s Chicago.
Is it really necessary to rib the Bedardhawks at every opportunity?
It's a better name than Connor BeDuck that I've seen around the web. I do think the Blue Jackets would be the most ideal place for Bedard for all involved.
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Calm your tits. It’s Chicago.
Is it really necessary to rib the Bedardhawks at every opportunity?
It's a better name than Connor BeDuck that I've seen around the web. I do think the Blue Jackets would be the most ideal place for Bedard for all involved.
Connumbus?
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https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/vancouver-canucks-fan-favourite-gino-odjick-dies-at-52-1.1906605
Fucking awful.
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That's awful.
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Just watched the Bruins paste the Flyers 6-0 this afternoon and it wasn't even that close.
Holy shit the Flyers blow. They didn't show up.
David Krejci's 1000th game!
And is it me but when I see Jim Montgomery behind the bench, he reminds me of Henry Winkler's character in The Waterboy.
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Just watched the Bruins paste the Flyers 6-0 this afternoon and it wasn't even that close.
Holy shit the Flyers blow. They didn't show up.
I thought that too, but they were 7-1 in their last 8.
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Just watched the Bruins paste the Flyers 6-0 this afternoon and it wasn't even that close.
Holy shit the Flyers blow. They didn't show up.
I thought that too, but they were 7-1 in their last 8.
It's really the perfect storm of awfulness that was my absolute worst case scenario for the Flyers.
They won't be good enough to make the playoffs, or will somehow squeak in and get immediately bounced. And that could in turn somehow save Chuck Fletcher's job. Gotta give some credit to Torts for getting a lot from the bad hand he was dealt. But at the end of the day the Flyers will have once again been middle of the pack at best and will have mortgaged more of the future to get to that mediocrity. And on top of it they won't have a top draft pick.
In Red Wing land, a disappointing game against the Avs today. Tomorrow they play the Yotes and HAVE to win and hopefully look pretty good in that win. They are getting people back, Fabbri is looking great, time to pull it all together and win a good string of games again. If they don't it's spinning the wheels in a year that was supposed to be a noticeable jump.
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Just watched the Bruins paste the Flyers 6-0 this afternoon and it wasn't even that close.
Holy shit the Flyers blow. They didn't show up.
I thought that too, but they were 7-1 in their last 8.
They said that on the broadcast but I didn't believe them. :lol
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Devils heating back up, five in a row after a last-second comeback against the Kings yesterday. Looking forward to the game against Seattle on Thursday.
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It really pissed me off how poorly the Kings played in front of Jonathan Quick against the Devils. Please smack Seattle around.
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It really pissed me off how poorly the Kings played in front of Jonathan Quick against the Devils. Please smack Seattle around.
Yeah, that's been a recurring problem I've seen this season when Quick is in net. Sure, Quick has let soft ones in more frequently than a fan would like this season, but holy cow, the team keeps thinking if they make a turnover or is not covering their guy when on D, they think Quick can bail them out, and at his age and inconsistency, that's just not going to happen at a rate that helps the team win games.
Three days of no Kings games though, so it's a waiting game hoping for teams to lose in regulations. Yesterday was a good day for that. Golden Knights, Kraken, and Flames lost in regulation. More of that please. Well, it beats waiting for the season to be over and waiting for the draft lottery.
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Nice comeback win by the Leafs after Murray had a pretty rocky start. I would've been raging if they hadn't taken two points tonight. Hard to believe that's their first 3rd period comeback win of the season.
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Pulling out this post from the middle of June.
I swore that Torts being hired in Philly was the temporary end of my rooting for the Flyers, which I've done my whole life. That was the final nail in the coffin for an organization and GM that have just made myriad of bad decision after bad decision.
Remember a time awhile back when Torts respected a guy "being true to himself and to his religion" and fully supported players kneeling for the anthem and totally did not unequivocally say they would be benched? Well, feel free to peruse Flyers news and you'll see exactly why I'm currently thrilled to have distanced myself.
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It really pissed me off how poorly the Kings played in front of Jonathan Quick against the Devils. Please smack Seattle around.
You're welcome
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Kraken be Kraken'ing.
Poor Detroit and Buffalo.
That was Hayes' first NHL hat trick!?!?! :omg:
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Well...it's a little encouraging that the Kings haven't played since Saturday and now Seattle only has 2 games in hand and Vegas has 1. Kings and Seattle are only 2 points behind Vegas. All three teams play tomorrow, so go Kings, go Devils and go Wings! The only downside is that I'm in DC, so I won't be able to watch the Kings game.
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Kraken in 1st place.
Hey…we’re new here. Give me moment. Because it’s my first time. I just want to relish the moment. Even if it’s very brief.
[fans himself]
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This NHL fan vote thing to fill out the All-star rosters is horse-shit. Dahlin deserves to go. Morrisey deserves to go. Ottinger got hosed on the technicality that every team has to send a player, and Nashville doesn't have any decent skaters. Even still, send Josi. Ottinger is a way better goalie than Sarros.
Panarin, Matthews, MacKinnon ... all-stars for sure, but not having 'all-star' quality years at the moment. And Stuart Skinner as the 2nd best Pacific goalie?? Nylander is having a better year than Matthews, and Kuch is having a better year than both of them.
Oh well whatever. It's a wank-fest of a weekend anyway.
Great win by the Leafs last night over a very good team. The Jets deserved a better fate, but Samsonov was dialed in, and the Leafs made the most of the few chances they were able to generate. Three great shots to get the goals they needed (+ EN). If you haven't seen the highlights, check out the Leafs 1-0 goal. 8 seconds in to the 2nd period, and Matthews absolutely undresses Shieffle. It was quite spectacular.
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The Devils Kraken game was a little too late for me to stay up and watch all of it, but a tip of the cap to Seattle. I'm not gonna complain about getting 9/10 points on this road trip.
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The Devils Kraken game was a little too late for me to stay up and watch all of it, but a tip of the cap to Seattle. I'm not gonna complain about getting 9/10 points on this road trip.
No one should ever complain about that.
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Damn... ya gotta feel bad for Max P, tearing his achilles again. I'm getting a 2019 Kevin Durant sense of deja vu. Ya gotta think that Pacioretty is gonna have to take at least a year to make sure it's fully healed/rehab'd, or just call it a career. Crazy that the Canes have been the 2nd best team in the league WITHOUT his $7M salary. Now that they've freed that up, they can go and make a deal - Bo Horvat looks like an ideal target. Maybe O'Reilly?
Oh, and why don't the Canucks just get it over with already, and fire Boudreau? Stringing him along like this is just making the organization look pathetic. Jim Rutherford is a better GM than this.
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I agree on the entire post, Chad.
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Oh, and why don't the Canucks just get it over with already, and fire Boudreau? Stringing him along like this is just making the organization look pathetic. Jim Rutherford is a better GM than this.
Jim Rutherford is not even the GM of the Canucks. He's the President which makes this a lot worst on people's impressions on the guy. Not so great team, roster-wise, doesn't want Boudreau in the first place, doesn't want to dignify keeping Boudreau for the rest of the season (and if he gets fired, he still gets paid for the season), we already know who's most likely the next head coach will be even though Rick Tocchet can't say anything about it publicly on TNT.
I will say for the fans' sake, just pull the plug on the guy. Don't give this passive-aggressive BS. Boudreau is well-esteemed enough. He will find another way back to a coach job if he desires, but giving him an assurance on what his next day would be like the bare minimum the Canucks organization can do.
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Damn... ya gotta feel bad for Max P, tearing his achilles again. I'm getting a 2019 Kevin Durant sense of deja vu. Ya gotta think that Pacioretty is gonna have to take at least a year to make sure it's fully healed/rehab'd, or just call it a career. Crazy that the Canes have been the 2nd best team in the league WITHOUT his $7M salary. Now that they've freed that up, they can go and make a deal - Bo Horvat looks like an ideal target. Maybe O'Reilly?
Tarasenko might be a better fit/target for them in this scenario.
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Apparently Boudreau’s last game will be tonight. Like WTF?? “You’re fired … but still come in to work today”
Good game at The Keybank today. Jingle.son has never witnessed a loss. Man that team can put the biscuit in the basket. They peppered the Ducks.
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Apparently Boudreau’s last game will be tonight. Like WTF?? “You’re fired … but still come in to work today”
Good game at The Keybank today. Jingle.son has never witnessed a loss. Man that team can put the biscuit in the basket. They peppered the Ducks.
I hope to spite management and give the fans something to root for, he can find a way to coach the Canucks to a win today.
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Apparently Boudreau’s last game will be tonight. Like WTF?? “You’re fired … but still come in to work today”
Good game at The Keybank today. Jingle.son has never witnessed a loss. Man that team can put the biscuit in the basket. They peppered the Ducks.
I hope to spite management and give the fans something to root for, he can find a way to coach the Canucks to a win today.
The Hockey Gods were not down with this plan. Good on the fans though, to give him the sendoff he got.
And it's always disappointing to lose to the Habs, but when they're at the bottom of the division, it's especially frustrating to leave points on the table. Just like I said last season, when the team gave away easy points to the worst teams, it may just come back to bite them in the ass (ie, home ice advantage vs the Bolts). Time will tell. I haven't been getting to worked up (good or bad) about results this season - how they fare in April is what matters.
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And it's always disappointing to lose to the Habs, but when they're at the bottom of the division, it's especially frustrating to leave points on the table. Just like I said last season, when the team gave away easy points to the worst teams, it may just come back to bite them in the ass (ie, home ice advantage vs the Bolts). Time will tell. I haven't been getting to worked up (good or bad) about results this season - how they fare in April is what matters.
I watched the last 10 minutes of the game last night, which seemed to be played entirely in the Habs' end.
Yeah, I wouldn't get too worked up either. The Leafs are have a great season. 3rd best record in the entire league. What's to be worked up over?
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And it's always disappointing to lose to the Habs, but when they're at the bottom of the division, it's especially frustrating to leave points on the table. Just like I said last season, when the team gave away easy points to the worst teams, it may just come back to bite them in the ass (ie, home ice advantage vs the Bolts). Time will tell. I haven't been getting to worked up (good or bad) about results this season - how they fare in April is what matters.
I watched the last 10 minutes of the game last night, which seemed to be played entirely in the Habs' end.
Yeah, I wouldn't get too worked up either. The Leafs are have a great season. 3rd best record in the entire league. What's to be worked up over?
Yah, Montembeault played more like Price. After a shyte game against Fla 2 days ago, he comes back and plays Vezina-caliber against the Leafs (esp in the 3rd, as you mentioned). I think the shots were 12-3 at one point in the third. I'm not entirely worked up (like I would be in the past), just disappointed. I think home-ice is going to be important in Rd 1 vs Tampa. And the Leafs will probably need every point they can get - leaving these "easy" ones on the table is mildly frustrating.
5-game home-stand now, capped off with the Bruins right before the break - all playoff caliber teams + Ottawa (who always play them hard given the rivalry). I'd say they need 6+ points in this stretch to keep the pace with Boston/Tampa.
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5-game home-stand now, capped off with the Bruins right before the break - all playoff caliber teams + Ottawa (who always play them hard given the rivalry). I'd say they need 6+ points in this stretch to keep the pace with Boston/Tampa.
Bruins are Home tonight, but then go on a 5 game Road trip, with the final game of the trip being @ Toronto.
Bruins road trip is:
@ Montreal
@ Tampa
@ Florida
@ Carolina
@ Toronto
That's a solid group of games right there.
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Shall be interesting to see how each team ends up the home-stand/road-trip concluding the 'first half' of the season.
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Shall be interesting to see how each team ends up the home-stand/road-trip concluding the 'first half' of the season.
The Hurricanes game is going to be tough. But that's on a Sunday and the Leafs aren't until Wednesday. Wouldn't be surprised if the Bruins come home after the Carolina game for a day and a half.
I'm not sure I like the B's up there for that game.
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So it's official. Bruce Boudreau has been officially fired. If you want a good deep analysis on the whole thing, The Hockey Guy (huge Canucks fan) has the breakdown. Fun fact, apparently, 12 out of 21 Canucks coaches in their history has lasted less than 2 seasons. Rick Tocchet is going to have his work cut out for him going into a team whose morale is at a low point and a fanbase that's not going to be as welcoming due to how everything has been handled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYPjKxhpVRY&ab_channel=TheHockeyGuy
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After a very sleepy 1st period, the Leafs blasted the Isles in the second. And then put it away with a very sick goal by Matthews - quasi breakaway with the defender quite literally draped all over him.
So, in TAC tradition, let's track this home-stand. I said they need 6+ points (but truthfully, I think they need 8, since they've been a much stronger home team than away this year).
Isles: W 5-2
Rangers:
Sens:
Caps:
Bruins:
Points: 2/10
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After a very sleepy 1st period, the Leafs blasted the Isles in the second. And then put it away with a very sick goal by Matthews - quasi breakaway with the defender quite literally draped all over him.
So, in TAC tradition, let's track this home-stand. I said they need 6+ points (but truthfully, I think they need 8, since they've been a much stronger home team than away this year).
Isles: W 5-2
Rangers:
Sens:
Caps:
Bruins:
Points: 2/10
The Bruins begin a 5 game road trip tonight that will end with that same game against the Leafs. Some tough games on this trip.
Tues @ Montreal
Thurs @ Tampa
Sat @ Florida
Sun @ Carolina
Wed @ Toronto
@ Carolina on the 2nd of B2B is going to be a tough game. Scheduled loss right there.
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After a very sleepy 1st period, the Leafs blasted the Isles in the second. And then put it away with a very sick goal by Matthews - quasi breakaway with the defender quite literally draped all over him.
So, in TAC tradition, let's track this home-stand. I said they need 6+ points (but truthfully, I think they need 8, since they've been a much stronger home team than away this year).
Isles: W 5-2
Rangers:
Sens:
Caps:
Bruins:
Points: 2/10
The Bruins begin a 5 game road trip tonight that will end with that same game against the Leafs. Some tough games on this trip.
Tues @ Montreal
Thurs @ Tampa
Sat @ Florida
Sun @ Carolina
Wed @ Toronto
@ Carolina on the 2nd of B2B is going to be a tough game. Scheduled loss right there.
Leafs had the same, on a travel day from Toronto, on the DST change. They beat Carolina that game. I don't think there's anything such as a "scheduled loss". That's a cop out.
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Question for you guys, but specifically the Red Wings fans. As I look back over the past few weeks, we lost a game to the Coyotes, a very even game to the Flyers, and are currently neck and neck with the Sharks. This was supposed to be there year, although not competing for a cup, we were a cut above those teams, and it's just not looking that way at all when we play those teams. With that said, what do you see as the reason for the underperformance this year?
For me, it's a combination of several factors. The expected underperformance of Chariot, which would be even more noticeable if Walman and Hronek weren't having fantastic years. And more importantly, the more unexpected but to me much more noticeable faltering of Andrew Copp who was supposed to really solidify the 2C position. And past that, I think a little fault has to go with Lalonde in his first year as an NHL head coach, just not getting as much from guys as he should.
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The Bruins begin a 5 game road trip tonight that will end with that same game against the Leafs. Some tough games on this trip.
Tues @ Montreal
Thurs @ Tampa
Sat @ Florida
Sun @ Carolina
Wed @ Toronto
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Question for you guys, but specifically the Red Wings fans. As I look back over the past few weeks, we lost a game to the Coyotes, a very even game to the Flyers, and are currently neck and neck with the Sharks. This was supposed to be there year, although not competing for a cup, we were a cut above those teams, and it's just not looking that way at all when we play those teams. With that said, what do you see as the reason for the underperformance this year?
For me, it's a combination of several factors. The expected underperformance of Chariot, which would be even more noticeable if Walman and Hronek weren't having fantastic years. And more importantly, the more unexpected but to me much more noticeable faltering of Andrew Copp who was supposed to really solidify the 2C position. And past that, I think a little fault has to go with Lalonde in his first year as an NHL head coach, just not getting as much from guys as he should.
Andrew Copp is NOT a 2C. He's a 3C who has flashes of looking like a good 2C. I think he was playing #2 line with the Rangers thought and he had a good run with them given the players he had around him. What you're seeing in Detroit is what he is. There's a reason 53 is his career high in point. Yzerman mad a lot of changes in the off season, and that takes time to gel. There's a lot of decent talent there, but no one breaking out (ala Tage Thompson in Buffalo), and no 'core' of players that have had a bit of time together. Plus, inexperience on D will kill any team's post season hopes.
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Woooo, two straight OT game winners from Dougie Hamilton and all of a sudden the Devils are 7-0-1 in their last 8 and back to piling up points.
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Injuries have played a pretty big part as well with the Red Wings. Bertuzzi, Vrana, Zadina and Fabbri have all missed significant time. Kubalik and Perron have cooled off after hot starts, but Raymond and Seider have played better after rough starts. Ned was terrible in goal, so Husso has had to shoulder most of the load in net. I like LaLonde as coach, but I think he kept Seider shackled to Chiarot for too long. Now that they’ve been split up, Seider looks a lot better, especially now that Walman is on the top pair. I still think they are a year or two away from making a serious run.
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Live look at the Blues defense:
(https://notquiteknockedup.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/dumpster-fire.gif?w=353)
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Live look at the Blues defense:
(https://notquiteknockedup.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/dumpster-fire.gif?w=353)
Red Wings' defense looked the same in December and early January, save for the dumpster being red. ;D
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That makes me feel a little better. :P :biggrin:
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Live look at the Blues defense:
(https://notquiteknockedup.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/dumpster-fire.gif?w=353)
Yeah.....it's pretty bad. What's worse is all these long term deals Armstrong gave out to keep the AAV down are only in like year one or two on most of them......Schenn, Krug, Paryako, Saad....tough pills to swallow right now considering they look like they're already declining and that wasn't 'supposed' to happen for another couple seasons. That Krug contract is just BA-ROOT-TAL considering he's oft injured and when he's in he's just an average forward playing defense. Easily one of the worst contracts DA ever gave out.
There's no way to unload any of these guys either because honeslty.....who'd want them? And the bummer is the youngsters like Rosen and Tucker should just be in there getting the experience because they're playing well....way better than the veterans like Krug, Leddy....Scandella.
Binnington continues to be a joke despite everyone and their mother who is in the media trying to convince everyone he's played great this year. Making a couple good saves a game doesn't mean you're playing good....especially when in that same game you allow some soft ass goals to boot.
Armstrong gambled on the Blues future by signing a few of these guys and it's backfiring.....big time. Tarasenko will hold the Blues hostage and refuse any trade and walk this summer just to stick it to the team...I think that's his plan. I can see getting a second round pick for O'Reily...maybe a first....I think he's tradable even with the recent injury because he is a heck of a player still. Lots to offer as far as PK ability, face off, defensive forward etc etc. I'm assuming he's not been extended because he's probably wanting $5-6 mil a year and he's just not there anymore. He's a $5-5.5 tops...realistically and what he's 'worth' I'd say $4.5
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To be fair guys, Buffalo's offense is 2nd in the league - just 1 total GF behind Boston. They're a handful. They know how to bulge the twine.
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Tarasenko will hold the Blues hostage and refuse any trade and walk this summer just to stick it to the team...I think that's his plan.
This is the one bit of this I take issue with. Tarasenko can't unilaterally hold the Blues hostage, they agreed to a NMC with him, and he is fully within his rights to stick by it. If he wants to uproot his life for a few months and chase a cup, he'll agree to a trade, if he wants to stay until he can nicely choose a new home in the summer, than that's his right. Now if he seems to intentionally be playing poorly in the run up to all this, then that's a major issues completely on him, but otherwise, he's just going through the options that was agreed on with him and the club.
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Tarasenko will hold the Blues hostage and refuse any trade and walk this summer just to stick it to the team...I think that's his plan.
This is the one bit of this I take issue with. Tarasenko can't unilaterally hold the Blues hostage, they agreed to a NMC with him, and he is fully within his rights to stick by it. If he wants to uproot his life for a few months and chase a cup, he'll agree to a trade, if he wants to stay until he can nicely choose a new home in the summer, than that's his right. Now if he seems to intentionally be playing poorly in the run up to all this, then that's a major issues completely on him, but otherwise, he's just going through the options that was agreed on with him and the club.
Very fair point....it certainly is his right and he has indeed earned it. He's been a blast to watch for a decade and a great Blue.........I guess I could have said it something like "With the bad blood he's had with the front office and organization over the way his shoulder surgeries were handled...and some of his public comments....I wouldn't put it past him to refuse any and every trade just to stick it to the front office"
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To be fair guys, Buffalo's offense is 2nd in the league - just 1 total GF behind Boston. They're a handful. They know how to bulge the twine.
It's deeper than that.....I mean.....'we' had a 6-4 PP to close out the game and they allowed an empty net goal. Just lazy playing, bottom line. This incarnation of players/coaches is not mixing and working well. There are bright spots...but all in all there is a LOT more wrong than what there is to be excited about.
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To be fair guys, Buffalo's offense is 2nd in the league - just 1 total GF behind Boston. They're a handful. They know how to bulge the twine.
It's deeper than that.....I mean.....'we' had a 6-4 PP to close out the game and they allowed an empty net goal. Just lazy playing, bottom line. This incarnation of players/coaches is not mixing and working well. There are bright spots...but all in all there is a LOT more wrong than what there is to be excited about.
That's fair. I just thought ragging on the defense for giving up 4+EN to the 2nd highest scoring team in the league was misdirected rage. :biggrin:
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To be fair guys, Buffalo's offense is 2nd in the league - just 1 total GF behind Boston. They're a handful. They know how to bulge the twine.
It's deeper than that.....I mean.....'we' had a 6-4 PP to close out the game and they allowed an empty net goal. Just lazy playing, bottom line. This incarnation of players/coaches is not mixing and working well. There are bright spots...but all in all there is a LOT more wrong than what there is to be excited about.
That's fair. I just thought ragging on the defense for giving up 4+EN to the 2nd highest scoring team in the league was misdirected rage. :biggrin:
We’re not at full blown rage mode yet……I was prepped for this season being more or less a throw away season so my expectations weren’t very high.
I’m more ticked these days at the media covering the Blues that are still trying to convince the fans this team is good. the flashes of good play and clever quips from the media folk can’t fool folks who have seen this show before.
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The Rangers should've bought tickets if they were going to just stand there and watch Mitch Marner skate around. :lol
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The Rangers should've bought tickets if they were going to just stand there and watch Mitch Marner skate around. :lol
Haha. They couldn't wait to hear Hall & Oates again.
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The Rangers should've bought tickets if they were going to just stand there and watch Mitch Marner skate around. :lol
Yeah, they all seemed to be more concerned about what Matthews might do coming off the bench, as opposed to Marner actually driving to the net. :lol
The Leafs owe 2 gifts to Krieder for the W last night - the first missing a WIDE OPEN tap in PPG mid-way thru the 3rd; the second for impersonating a gnat as he tried to defend Liljegren on the game-tying goal - I mean, he was right on top of Liljegren, but he seemed like nothing more than annoyance. Second 3rd-period comeback of the year, both in the last 10 days. Samsonov is smokin hot right now. 14-0-1 at home, and keeping them in the tight games when they're having trouble with the opposing goaltender. Their last 3 Ws have been against goalies going to the All-Star game (Shersterkin, Sorokin, Hellebucyk)
Isles: W 5-2
Rangers: W 2-1 (OT)
Sens:
Caps:
Bruins:
Points: 4/10
CBJ beating the Oil?? That's why they make them play the games.
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It’s crazy to think that if the Flames beat the Blackhawks tonight (likely) there will be only 4 points separating the top 5 teams in the Pacific Division.
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The Bruins begin a 5 game road trip tonight that will end with that same game against the Leafs. Some tough games on this trip.
Tues @ Montreal W 4-2
Thurs @ Tampa L 3-2
Sat @ Florida
Sun @ Carolina
Wed @ Toronto
Great game for two periods, although Kucherov scored on a bullshit faceoff for Tampa's 2nd goal.
Bruins played their worst 3rd period of the season. Really lax and sloppy coverage and tons of mistakes.
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Self inflicted game winning goal they gave up.
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I was very conflicted watching that 3rd period. I didn't want either team to take 2 points, but Boston losing is always enjoyable.
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Yeah, the Pacific division is unbelievably tight right now!
Ugh, are the Blues really losing 0-5 to the Arizona Coyotes?! Stick a fork in them-their season is toast. Now I guess going forward I'll be rooting for the Seattle Kraken (since they're closest to me) and the Buffalo Sabres (because they haven't made the playoffs since 2011 and I feel sorry for their fans) The Sabres just won their 5th game in a row and are only a couple points away from a wildcard spot.
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And as soon as I say something, I end up jinxing the Flames. Who would’ve thought they would get stomped on their home ice by Chicago? :facepalm:
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It’s crazy to think that if the Flames beat the Blackhawks tonight (likely) there will be only 4 points separating the top 5 teams in the Pacific Division.
Yeah, that didn't happen. This Flames team is weird to assess at times. They look like they are hitting what they are supposed to be after getting their big acquisitions one day. Other days they don't and I'm sure at some point, the team and media are sick of Darryl Sutter doing the Sutterisms. Still, this Pacific division may suck, but there are 5 teams looks like they can nab the 3-4 spots, and I'm sitting here every night sweating games.
And as soon as I say something, I end up jinxing the Flames. Who would’ve thought they would get stomped on their home ice by Chicago? :facepalm:
Good. We want that.
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Updated live look at the Blues defense:
(https://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/dumpster-fire-gif-30.gif)
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Fuckery all around last night - Coyotes, Ducks, and Blackhawks all with big wins.
I said it before, I do think the shit-show that is home ice for Arizona gives them as distinct a home-ice advantage as Colorado. That arena is just awful. Their home (10-8-2) and away (6-20-3) records validate this assumption.
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Fuckery all around last night - Coyotes
I said it before, I do think the shit-show that is home ice for Arizona gives them as distinct a home-ice advantage as Colorado. That arena is just awful. Their home (10-8-2) and away (6-20-3) records validate this assumption.
Well....they were also playing the Blues last night who are an absolute shit show right now. It's pretty baffling how absent their level of compete is. It's such a cliche' but you can tell when watching games the teams that are actually playing together, within a system and as a 'team' and the teams who's players just show up and play. This entire season the Blues just show up and play....some games they look unbeatable but most games they look like a group of guys just showing up to play as individual contractors. It's awful hockey to watch and infuriating as well.
Doesn't matter anyway.....the Cup is Boston's to lose this year.
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Doesn't matter anyway.....the Cup is Boston's to lose this year.
I'm still unconvinced. Said it before, and I still believe it ... they give me all the same sense of domination that the '19 Bolts had, and the Panthers last year. We all know how those ended up. I don't think cruising thru the regular season without any adversity bodes well come playoff time. What happens if/when a couple injuries creep in? What happens if Ullmark starts playing 'good'? What happens if they run into a hotter goalie, or their PP goes into a funk, or the PK gets a little leaky? 82 games in the regular season is to prepare for the grind of the playoffs, and so far, they've yet had a need to 'grind'.
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Hockey playoffs are a different breed. Most teams in it have a chance. No other sport is like that.
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Doesn't matter anyway.....the Cup is Boston's to lose this year.
I'm still unconvinced. Said it before, and I still believe it ... they give me all the same sense of domination that the '19 Bolts had, and the Panthers last year. We all know how those ended up. I don't think cruising thru the regular season without any adversity bodes well come playoff time. What happens if/when a couple injuries creep in? What happens if Ullmark starts playing 'good'? What happens if they run into a hotter goalie, or their PP goes into a funk, or the PK gets a little leaky? 82 games in the regular season is to prepare for the grind of the playoffs, and so far, they've yet had a need to 'grind'.
Yeah....totally get that and agree. Adversity can only make you better and they haven't really had that element this year, it's been a breeze for them. I'm talking more of a sense that the way they are dominating it is 'theirs to lose'.....meaning, they have no excuse not to. They've shown they're capabilities....but, if I were Tim and Joe I'd be 'nervous' just for the reason(s) you mentioned.
Hockey playoffs are a different breed. Most teams in it have a chance. No other sport is like that.
Yep. And, that's one of the many different reasons why it is without a doubt the single hardest professional Championship to win. Period. There isn't really any other sport that can come close....they're all a distant second
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Well if it makes you guys feel any better, the Devils defense was about of similar quality last night in Nashville. So many high danger changes allowed due to careless/sloppy play. Hopefully they can shake it off for tonight's game against Dallas
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Well if it makes you guys feel any better, the Devils defense was about of similar quality last night in Nashville. So many high danger changes allowed due to careless/sloppy play. Hopefully they can shake it off for tonight's game against Dallas
We have tickets to the Blues vs Devils on 2/16. I'm just hoping for a semi competitive game so I don't feel utterly disappointed for spending the $$$ on the tix.
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"Auston Matthews will be out at least three weeks for the Toronto Maple Leafs because of a knee sprain."
Well, so much for 8+ points on this homestand. At least Willie will get to go to the All-Star game now - or not... Barkov is going in Matthews' stead - understandable, getting another home-city selection in there.
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Well, that was fugly. Very sloppy puck management by The Leafs tonight. One unlucky goal, and 4 from virtually perfect shots.
Isles: W 5-2
Rangers: W 2-1 (OT)
Sens: L 6-2
Caps:
Bruins:
Points: 4/10
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Bruins are 0-1-1 in their two games against the Sens.
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I've been saying to a few Sens fans in a Discord Group I'm in, I feel like they got a great top-6 forming and maybe this is a team that can make an impact. Brady Tkachuk, from what I've read on some analytics charts, is pretty snake-bitten when it comes to finishing this year, but I like what he brings for that team and he might grow to be a great captain for them. I like him more than his brother Matthew. They just need to round out all the other stuff like most teams (see Sabres and Red Wings and Kings) that's trying to build to be a respectable team again.
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Oh, they'll be a force for sure. In a few years, there will be a passing of the guard in the Atlantic from Toronto/Boston/Tampa to Buffalo/Ottawa/Detroit ... hell, even Montreal has a good reason to be considered a contending team in a few years.
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The Bruins begin a 5 game road trip tonight that will end with that same game against the Leafs. Some tough games on this trip.
Tues @ Montreal W 4-2
Thurs @ Tampa L 3-2
Sat @ Florida L 4-3 OT
Sun @ Carolina
Wed @ Toronto
Bruins not on their game tonight. Sloppy in their own end late in the game. Carolina tomorrow night. Could be ugly.
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The Bruins begin a 5 game road trip tonight that will end with that same game against the Leafs. Some tough games on this trip.
Tues @ Montreal W 4-2
Thurs @ Tampa L 3-2
Sat @ Florida L 4-3 OT
Sun @ Carolina
Wed @ Toronto
Bruins not on their game tonight. Sloppy in their own end late in the game. Carolina tomorrow night. Could be ugly.
Kings play in Carolina on Tuesday, so maybe injure a couple Hurricanes.
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Things could not have been better tonight. Leafs were 'up' for Tavares' 1000th game, and laid a bit of a whoopin on the Caps. Even without Matthews, this is a very good team. A graphic flashed up during the game, the Leafs and Caps have the most man-games lost to injury this season - I think it was 356 for the Leafs; 352 for the Caps (or something like that). Not bad to be in the top-5 in the league while leading the league in total man-games lost to injury
And then the Canes beat the Bs. What a glorious way to cap off a weekend.
Isles: W 5-2
Rangers: W 2-1 (OT)
Sens: L 6-2
Caps: W 5-1
Bruins:
Points: 6/10
Wednesday ought to be a very fun game.
And then the Leafs come out of the All-Star break playing CBJ twice (home/home B2B), then Chicago-Montreal-Chicago. Hopefully they don't lay a bunch of eggs during that stretch.
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The Bruins begin a 5 game road trip tonight that will end with that same game against the Leafs. Some tough games on this trip.
Tues @ Montreal W 4-2
Thurs @ Tampa L 3-2
Sat @ Florida L 4-3 OT
Sun @ Carolina L 4-1
Wed @ Toronto
Didn't watch one shift of tonight's game.
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RIP Bobby Hull. Never got to see him in his prime (naturally), but one of the all-time legends for sure.
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RIP Bobby Hull. Never got to see him in his prime (naturally), but one of the all-time legends for sure.
Yeah....just saw this news. 84 years is a hell of a run......
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The Bruins begin a 5 game road trip tonight that will end with that same game against the Leafs. Some tough games on this trip.
Tues @ Montreal W 4-2
Thurs @ Tampa L 3-2
Sat @ Florida L 4-3 OT
Sun @ Carolina L 4-1
Wed @ Toronto
Didn't watch one shift of tonight's game.
You didn't miss much. :sadpanda:
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Wow... the Kings did a remarkable job to snatch defeat right out of the jaws of victory.
Ouch. That's a bad beat. I don't care if it was Carolina or not.
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Wow... the Kings did a remarkable job to snatch defeat right out of the jaws of victory.
Ouch. That's a bad beat. I don't care if it was Carolina or not.
Sigh....
That's basically what they did to the Kings when I went to the game earlier this season. This time, they waited until the third period. At least the Kings got a point out of it.
And now the Kings have 10 days off. Next game isn't until Saturday, Feb. 11. Seattle and Vegas play 3 and 2 games in the meantime. Whoever made this schedule is an idiot.
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Wow... the Kings did a remarkable job to snatch defeat right out of the jaws of victory.
Ouch. That's a bad beat. I don't care if it was Carolina or not.
Sigh....
That's basically what they did to the Kings when I went to the game earlier this season. This time, they waited until the third period. At least the Kings got a point out of it.
And now the Kings have 10 days off. Next game isn't until Saturday, Feb. 11. Seattle and Vegas play 3 and 2 games in the meantime. Whoever made this schedule is an idiot.
Each team gets a bye week under the current CBA, so it had to come at some point. The Oil are on theirs, as well, with their last game being on Jan 28th and next one not until Feb 7th. I'm sure the players would rather it be lumped with the all-star break to maximize their time off.
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Dang it! And I was hoping the Kraken would go into the all-star break with sole #1 place. I guess we’re still in first because of the tie-breaker, but I was just hoping for that one little thing to put a bit more of an exclamation mark on it.
Oh well.
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Your team have four games on hand and I don't think they are going to lose all four in a row. As far as I can tell, the Kraken is in 1st in the Pacific. No one is going to say otherwise at this point.
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Bs in their first slump of the year, and Leafs without Matthews. Hope we get a nice rivalry game tonight - rubber match.
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Bs in their first slump of the year, and Leafs without Matthews. Hope we get a nice rivalry game tonight - rubber match.
Funny in a "they're pretty much winning the cup this year" kind of way, but the Bruins have basically doubled their total losses during this slump. Still 1st overall. Testament to just how dominant their season has been
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So I'm sure as you have probably heard. Bally's Sports is going to go under bankruptcy soon. This does affect a lot of TV rights for various NHL teams around the Southern part of the country (including Kings, Ducks, Stars, Bolts, etc.). As I did my rummaging in trying to figure out when does the Kings' TV deal with Bally's end, it was set to end in 2024, per this LA Times article in 2012. Not bad. Hope they get a new TV deal with another channel more credible than Bally's (which I think people knew going from Fox Sports (since Disney had to sell their Sports Channels due to them buying Fox) into Bally's was going to go south.)
https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-xpm-2012-jun-03-la-sp-0604-kings-fox-tv-20120604-story.html
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It'll affect the Blues as well....but....at least the way they're playing this season isn't something you're dying to watch :lol
It's frustrating because the sole reason I have Direct TV is for the rights to watch the Blues/Cardinals games. I could get by on streaming services otherwise.
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It'll affect the Blues as well....but....at least the way they're playing this season isn't something you're dying to watch :lol
It's frustrating because the sole reason I have Direct TV is for the rights to watch the Blues/Cardinals games. I could get by on streaming services otherwise.
Live sports (Oilers and Jays games) and the few random shows my wife watches on different networks are the only reason we still have cable. I'm pretty sure I could switch to just streaming for far less than we pay for cable if I could convince my wife to drop a show or 2.
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It'll affect the Blues as well....but....at least the way they're playing this season isn't something you're dying to watch :lol
It's frustrating because the sole reason I have Direct TV is for the rights to watch the Blues/Cardinals games. I could get by on streaming services otherwise.
Live sports (Oilers and Jays games) and the few random shows my wife watches on different networks are the only reason we still have cable. I'm pretty sure I could switch to just streaming for far less than we pay for cable if I could convince my wife to drop a show or 2.
SportsNet's subscription would cover you, for sure. Does TSN even do baseball anymore?
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On a more positive vibe note, here's the greatest thing for us to watch in this all-stars game (other than Ovi's son getting a goal on Luongo in the breakaway challenge with Ovi and Crosby assisting). A Mascot game. Man, Wild Wing sucked as a goalie. Carlton (the Leafs mascot) had some good moments inadvertently getting saves there. Even Bailey got a goal. Neat.
2023 Honda NHL All-Star Game Mascot Showdown | 2023 All-Star Weekend (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN1JeNZzBHc&ab_channel=NHL)
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It'll affect the Blues as well....but....at least the way they're playing this season isn't something you're dying to watch :lol
It's frustrating because the sole reason I have Direct TV is for the rights to watch the Blues/Cardinals games. I could get by on streaming services otherwise.
Live sports (Oilers and Jays games) and the few random shows my wife watches on different networks are the only reason we still have cable. I'm pretty sure I could switch to just streaming for far less than we pay for cable if I could convince my wife to drop a show or 2.
SportsNet's subscription would cover you, for sure. Does TSN even do baseball anymore?
TSN does sunday night baseball, but they don't get to broadcast Jays games so....fuck that
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You know...the NHL skills contest used to be awesome, but they've just about ruined it. The target shooting thing is still solid. As much as I dislike the guy, McDavid was a beast. The hardest shot is always a highlight, but not having the instant readout was lame. Obviously can't happen, but I'd love to see Al Iafrate in his prime with a modern stick. But all that nonsense with Ovechkin's kid and the Tkachuk beach thing was just dumb.
And I liked the mini-games the first few times, but now it's just an overpassing festival.
Oh well....
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It's not supposed to be a serious event. I enjoyed the breakaway challenge. It's basically the only rare times you can see NHL players show some personality. I will say like most things the NHL does, their ideas and intentions are fine, but the execution is sorely lacking. Some of these events in the skills contest lacked some execution. I did like the dunk tank idea.
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Big trade brewing between Rangers and Blues. Tarasenko is going to the Rangers. Sammy Blais is coming back to the Blues and the Blues will get the usual other stuff (picks and prospects) in this trade.
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Big trade brewing between Rangers and Blues. Tarasenko is going to the Rangers. Sammy Blais is coming back to the Blues and the Blues will get the usual other stuff (picks and prospects) in this trade.
Happy for Tarasenko. He's heading to a team that will compete in the Playoffs....he's playing with his good friend Panarin and he's done with having to deal with being asked if he was going to walk at the end of the year.
The return for him is alright....it's better than getting nothing for him. I expect him to light it up the remainder of the season for NY
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Big trade brewing between Rangers and Blues. Tarasenko is going to the Rangers. Sammy Blais is coming back to the Blues and the Blues will get the usual other stuff (picks and prospects) in this trade.
Happy for Tarasenko. He's heading to a team that will compete in the Playoffs....he's playing with his good friend Panarin and he's done with having to deal with being asked if he was going to walk at the end of the year.
The return for him is alright....it's better than getting nothing for him. I expect him to light it up the remainder of the season for NY
We’ll treat him well. I’ve always liked the Blues, I always looked at them as Rangers West as I felt they were very similar throughout the 2010’s. You guys took care of Buchnevich for us so we’ll take care of Tarasenko.
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Big trade brewing between Rangers and Blues. Tarasenko is going to the Rangers. Sammy Blais is coming back to the Blues and the Blues will get the usual other stuff (picks and prospects) in this trade.
Happy for Tarasenko. He's heading to a team that will compete in the Playoffs....he's playing with his good friend Panarin and he's done with having to deal with being asked if he was going to walk at the end of the year.
The return for him is alright....it's better than getting nothing for him. I expect him to light it up the remainder of the season for NY
We’ll treat him well. I’ve always liked the Blues, I always looked at them as Rangers West as I felt they were very similar throughout the 2010’s. You guys took care of Buchnevich for us so we’ll take care of Tarasenko.
Just saw you got Mikkola as well.....that sucks for us. He's a solid Defensman....young, gritty....he was put in a horrible position here this season. I'm more pissed about him being traded than I am #91.
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Vladi,
Thanks for all the goals and memories, and for having a huge hand in the Blues finally getting to hoist the Stanley Cup. Blues legend forever.
:hat :hat
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Glad to see the Devils pick up a win against a good team in our first game without Jack Hughes (out week to week with an upper body injury). Dougie Hamilton's up to a 1ppg pace this season, he's healthy this year and it's made all the difference versus last year.
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Is it just me, or does Carolina seemingly just pop out defenders to other teams year after year (either via trade or free agency), and yet still always manage to have great Dmen coming up and putting a great unit on the ice? Dougie Hamilton reminded me of that.
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Been a while since I've seen a smile that big on Vladi......good for him, seriously. I hope he can close out the year and his career strong.
https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1624066896487239685?s=20&t=7ehfMu3nmBBwKUANDx8S5g
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Things were a little iffy last night in the Leafs/CBJ game (being only 1-0 partway into the third), but 2 quick and sweet goals by the Leafs sealed it. Despite only grabbing 6/10 points on the 5-game home-stand right before the All-Star break, given the teams they're playing, anything less than 8/10 on this 5 game stretch is going to be massively disappointing.
Columbus W 3-0
comColumbus
Chicago
Montreal
Chicago
The two worse teams in the entire league, and Mtl is 27th. Of course, the Habs always play them hard no matter the standings, and Chicago has looked respectable lately. Still, this seems like as good a time as any for this team go to on a bit of a heater, cuz after these 5 games, they've got Buf/Min/Sea then a Western Canada road-trip.
That combo of Panarin/Zibanajid/Tarasenko could turn out to be (one of) the best #1 line in the league.
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Been a while since I've seen a smile that big on Vladi......good for him, seriously. I hope he can close out the year and his career strong.
https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1624066896487239685?s=20&t=7ehfMu3nmBBwKUANDx8S5g
When he scored on his first shot as a Ranger I smiled just as big.
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I guess the team is quickly on the path to “massively disappointing”. Stat flashed during the game … Leafs are 5-3-4 against the bottom 8 teams in the league (5-4-4 now). That’s as many as 12 points left on the table. Those are points the could very much regret not grabbing. Bolts now only 2 points behind with 2 games in hand.
Columbus W 3-0
Columbus L4-3
Chicago
Montreal
Chicago
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Got to go to the Dustin Brown jersey retirement ceremony last night. Several former teammates AND the Stanley Cup made appearances (not quite sure how the still active Alec Martinez, Jake Muzzin and Kyle Clifford were there). Incredible game. The Kings hadn't played in 11 days and had massive energy against the Penguins who had played in Anaheim the night before. Adrian Kempe with a natural hat trick (plus 1), and Sidney Crysby got his ass tossed for being a baby. Great night!
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Awesome pics, Paul!
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Well, Muzzin is on LTIR so he probably got the ok to go. Clifford I believe is not on the main Leafs roster so I’m sure he got the ok as well. Martinez is the surprising one. Was Jeff Carter at the ceremony or was the first sight of him was hitting the ice with the Pens? After a debacle of the previous game, it’s actually really nice when a day and game worked out as well as intended.
As TAC already stated, great pics.
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Well, Muzzin is on LTIR so he probably got the ok to go. Clifford I believe is not on the main Leafs roster so I’m sure he got the ok as well. Martinez is the surprising one. Was Jeff Carter at the ceremony or was the first sight of him was hitting the ice with the Pens? After a debacle of the previous game, it’s actually really nice when a day and game worked out as well as intended.
As TAC already stated, great pics.
Carter came out for the ceremony with the other former Kings and the current Kings roster. We were all pretty surprised about that, but they had almost an hour between the end of inside part of the ceremony and puck drop, so much too much of a problem.
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Go B's. :)
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The Pacific Division is crazy right now.
Vegas - 54 GP...68 points
LA - 55 GP...67 points
SEA - 54 GP...66 points
EDM - 54 GP...65 points
CGY - 54 GP...61 points
The bottom 3 teams are 15+ points behind CGY. I'm thrilled that the Kings weathered their layoff and are still in the mix after everyone caught or mostly caught them in games played. Winning the last two games by a combined score of 11-2 was nice (although the Kings are still the only team currently in a playoff spot with a negative goal differential, which is concerning, but it's primarily a result of a horrid stretch from mid-November to mid-December). 27 games to go (oddly, with only 1 divisional game over the next 30 days).
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Kings and Ducks. I hate the Sharks more, but man, those Kings/Ducks game gets really chippy. Late in the 2nd, a Ducks player gave a face shove on Copley. Copley didn't like it which caused a huge scrum. I think Gibson almost wanted to get into a goalie fight as well. Copley got ejected. Doughty and Mikey Anderson got in the box for 5 minutes. Quick had to step in. Let a goal in during that 5 minute major. Not good when our top D pairing is in the box. Things looked really shaky when it comes to protecting the lead, but the Kings power play was humming nicely to get us out of that mess. Had 3 PPG goals.
Anywho, in other news, we got a late night trade. Ryan O'Reilly is going to the Leafs. I don't know why the Wild wanted to retain salary as well for a 4th round pick. Don't they need to preserve that cap space for a deadline piece themselves?
So Kev and Gary, what would you think about the ROR journey in the last five years? Here's what Blues gave up and here's what they got back. Aside from losing Tage Thompson (who was basically a bit player until the last few seasons), I think you guys got the better end of everything when it comes to ROR in terms of what you gave up, what he did for the team to get the cup, and what you get back in his final year.
(https://i.imgur.com/241YaK0.png)
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Yeah…..I’ll take the ROR deal then and now. I told Chad via text I believe this was a play to get ROR on Cup Contender for a good cup run but he will resign with the Blues for a 3-4 year deal at $5mil a year. He loves the city…..just built a new house and I think this is a win win…..Blues get some assets and he get to play in the post season.
I’m more upset about losing Mikkola and Acciari over the last week than Tarasenko and Oreily. Acciari has had a heck of a season
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Acciari being part of the deal makes this (imo) a gangbuster deal. This strengthens both the 3rd and 4th line immensely for the team, which is absolutely what they need. It's not too often you know exactly who the first round opponent is going to be with 30 games left in the season. Tampa is deep with their forwards, and this now gives Toronto a legit 4th-line checking/shut-down group in Aston-Reece/Acciari/Kampf. O'Reilly as the 3rd Centre behind Matthews and Tavares makes the 3rd line hella strong. And *not* having to give up Matthew Knies (who could be a Top 15 player in the league in the next 5 years) makes this all the better. I don't know or care why the Wild took 25% of ROR's cap, but it certainly gives them even more room to make moves if (as is quite likely going to be the case), Muzzin stays on LTIR for the rest of the season).
This is as good a deal as Dubas could make, imo.
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Yeah…..I’ll take the ROR deal then and now. I told Chad via text I believe this was a play to get ROR on Cup Contender for a good cup run but he will resign with the Blues for a 3-4 year deal at $5mil a year. He loves the city…..just built a new house and I think this is a win win…..Blues get some assets and he get to play in the post season.
I’m more upset about losing Mikkola and Acciari over the last week than Tarasenko and Oreily. Acciari has had a heck of a season
Ya think? I had heard from a guy who knows a guy who knows people on the inside who said O'Relly, like Tarasenko, wanted out, so this trade felt inevitable as well. I'd be shocked to see him come back.
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This is as good a deal as Dubas could make, imo.
I'd say. Picking up RO'R for a Cup run is huge. Surprised the Leafs didn't look for D, honestly, but if RO'R fell in their lap, they'd have to do it.
I'm amazed at how you guys are talking about Noel Acciari. I mean, he's a nice player and all. He was a 4th liner for the B's in 2019, so he does have Finals experience.
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4th line depth is what the Leafs need. Defense has not been their problem - they’re 7th in the league in GAA. They’re D is a pretty solid 8 players, + Muzzin IF he returns.
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4th line depth is what the Leafs need. Defense has not been their problem - they’re 7th in the league in GAA. They’re D is a pretty solid 8 players, + Muzzin IF he returns.
Gotcha!
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It will be a good deal for the Leafs if they can make a deep playoff run.
Of course, a deep playoff run for them would be getting to the 2nd round. :lol :lol
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I can definitely see them getting by Tampa in the first round.
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Ironically, Acciari was the better player last night. 4 quality chances, and he made the 4th line relevant. Odd choice (to me) to put RO'R on a line that moved Tavares to the wing - the latter looked like he was unsure of himself. I wonder when it was the last time he played the wing? I still think RO'R would be better slotted as the 3rd line Centre. Keefe's got 26 games to experiment.
Now just gotta polish off Chicago, and take 8 points on this 5-game span. Nice to see TB lose in regulation. Home ice advantage is going to be key (imo).
Columbus W 3-0
Columbus L 4-3
Chicago W 5-2
Montreal W 5-1
Chicago
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JFC... twice in the span of just over a week they lose to the last place team in the entire fucking league in regulation. Fuck this team is frustrating!
Columbus W 3-0
Columbus L 4-3
Chicago W 5-2
Montreal W 5-1
Chicago L 5-3
4/8 points against the 2 worst teams in the league. :zeltar:
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6 out of 10 points Chad?
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Oil have dropped 3 straight in extra time. I appreciate the Bettman points, but i worry these missed single points are going to hurt in the long run. They're keeping pace in the Pacific, but they can't afford to keep missing opportunities to distance themselves from the WC chase.
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Oil have dropped 3 straight in extra time. I appreciate the Bettman points, but i worry these missed single points are going to hurt in the long run. They're keeping pace in the Pacific, but they can't afford to keep missing opportunities to distance themselves from the WC chase.
How come the Oilers never seem to gain any traction?
The Bruins are out there next Monday I think. Looking forward to the game.
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Oil have dropped 3 straight in extra time. I appreciate the Bettman points, but i worry these missed single points are going to hurt in the long run. They're keeping pace in the Pacific, but they can't afford to keep missing opportunities to distance themselves from the WC chase.
They are keeping pace, but it doesn't really help their cause when the three teams ahead of them in the Pacific are winning their games. Still, with the standings are being paced, I highly doubt we will get to see a Pacific vs Central pairing in the playoffs.
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Oil have dropped 3 straight in extra time. I appreciate the Bettman points, but i worry these missed single points are going to hurt in the long run. They're keeping pace in the Pacific, but they can't afford to keep missing opportunities to distance themselves from the WC chase.
How come the Oilers never seem to gain any traction?
The goaltending has gotten leaky again. Campbell's GAA the last 3 have been .82 vs. DET, .85 vs. NYR and .89 vs. COL today. And they blew 3 goal leads inthe NYR and COL games. Since of the goals have been brutal d break downs that Campbell had no chance on, but he just hasn't been good enough
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6 out of 10 points Chad?
Yeah... 6/10 on this 5-game stretch; 4/8 against Chi/CBJ - the literal 2 worst teams in the league (at the time they played them ... they're no longer the 2 worst, thanks to *their* Wins against Toronto! :lol :|). Not even getting the loser point is disappointing. They were completely gassed last night. And now they've got a stretch of teams fighting hard to get/stay in the playoff hunt - Buf, Min, Sea, Edm, Cgy. Looking at their March schedule, there aren't many 'easy' games. Those missed 4 points were an opportunity to put a bit of separation between them and Tampa.
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Solid weekend for the Devils with regulation wins over Pittsburgh and Winnipeg, and good to see them playing well in those wins as well. There were some games recently where we definitely didn't look like the better team on the ice. Which, it's good to see that we can still find a way to win when we don't have our A game, but it's nice when the 2 points feel well deserved.
Maybe even more so than the the team's current on-ice performance though, the fanbase is locked in on the Timo Meier sweepstakes. He would be a perfect fit for our top six with his size and scoring. I do like that from what I've heard though, we won't trade for him unless we can work out a new contract. Our contention window is just starting to open, no need to trade away multiple high value assets for a rental. I do worry though, the other supposed finalist is Carolina, so if we miss out then we could be stuck seeing a lot of him on the opposing team in the coming years.
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Carolina is definitely going to make a move. They've got a lot of cap space to fill with Pacioretty on LTIR for another year.
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Kings and Ducks. I hate the Sharks more, but man, those Kings/Ducks game gets really chippy. Late in the 2nd, a Ducks player gave a face shove on Copley. Copley didn't like it which caused a huge scrum. I think Gibson almost wanted to get into a goalie fight as well. Copley got ejected. Doughty and Mikey Anderson got in the box for 5 minutes. Quick had to step in. Let a goal in during that 5 minute major. Not good when our top D pairing is in the box. Things looked really shaky when it comes to protecting the lead, but the Kings power play was humming nicely to get us out of that mess. Had 3 PPG goals.
First match penalty on a goalie since Garth Snow (then of the Islanders) got one in November 2002. Snow also punch an opponent with his blocker. The difference was that Snow actually got suspended.
I'm not sure Gibson wanted any part of a fight with Copley there. He did the minimum required by skating to center ice and banging his stick on the ice, but I don't think it'd have gone well for him had the ref not restrained Copley.
Unfortunately, the Kings giving up a couple to Anaheim foreshadowed the meltdown against Arizona. Damn good thing they salvaged that in the shootout, but not getting the RW or ROW will come back to bite them. HUGE road trip coming up.
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Carolina is definitely going to make a move. They've got a lot of cap space to fill with Pacioretty on LTIR for another year.
I don't know about that, but I know with the outdoor game they had at the football stadium Saturday, traffic was REALLY gnarly.
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Red Wings are 6-1 through their last 7 games, and 5 of those were a mainly Western Canada road trip. With a little bit of health and stability, as well as a few guys stepping up the Red Wings look to have finally taken that next step they were expected to this year.
This takes the trade deadline play from obvious sellers to who the hell knows. Next few weeks will be very interesting.
What really sucks is the best case scenario still isn't totally perfect. Even if the Wings win every single game, even if they are in playoff position come the deadline, I still don't know that you buy. And the sad part of that is they are one of the few teams that actually has cap space. Even with a big add I don't see them as serious contenders.
Only two types of moves really make sense to me.
1. A guy like JVR from the Flyers who has a high cap hit, and might be hard for a lot of teams to fit with 50% salary retention. Take 100% of his salary instead for a more mild return, just a little something extra to reward the team and make a push.
2. A decent contract with extra term or upcoming RFA that helps in years to come as the team continues to build.
But given how patient the team has been through the rebuild, I don't see anything happening unless it's a clear cut win for them.
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Like Buffalo, I think the Wings should just be patient and stick to the bigger plan. Being this close to playoff contention is part of the plan - making the playoffs would be gravy. It's reminiscent of the Leafs in '17. Their win in game 82 gave them a 1st round series against the Caps, and was an added bonus to the development of the team. Unless either of them might be able to grab Gibson (who still has 4 years of term left), I don't think either Yzermand or Adams should do a damned thing as a 'push' for the playoffs this year.
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Like Buffalo, I think the Wings should just be patient and stick to the bigger plan. Being this close to playoff contention is part of the plan - making the playoffs would be gravy. It's reminiscent of the Leafs in '17. Their win in game 82 gave them a 1st round series against the Caps, and was an added bonus to the development of the team. Unless either of them might be able to grab Gibson (who still has 4 years of term left), I don't think either Yzermand or Adams should do a damned thing as a 'push' for the playoffs this year.
I basically agree. I didn't mention it in my first post, but now the question becomes what to do with Bertuzzi especially. A few weeks ago they would obviously look to move him. Now it's looking more likely their trade deadline "move" may be simply keeping him as an in house rental.
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What the Kings did in that spot, last season, was trade a 7th pick for Troy Stecher. Depth D man that was really needed since all the D-man on the Kings' opening night roster were injured at the time. The best thing they did in that spot was not overreact and say, "We need to spend a 1st round pick to get a pending UFA rental." That said, I was more than ok if they spent other picks, outside of the 1st, on someone like Phil Kessel. So for the Sens, Sabres, and Red Wings, they should try to see if they can get something along the lines of depth guy that's under the radar that could help the team down the stretch without blowing up 1st round picks or high prospects.
I don't know what the Kings should be doing this deadline. I kinda joked about wanting Määttä back, but he got extended by the Red Wings so that's a no go. Everyone thinks we should get a goalie, but getting a goalie is a huge no-go unless they think they can trade Cal Petersen's contract at a price that doesn't kill the team and get someone like Gibson or Demko or Karel Vejmelka (which the Kings kinda slit their throats on that one, scoring 5 goals on 14 shots on that guy). If the prices to do those things aren't where Rob Blake likes it to be, I'm all in favor of them trying to get a good shutdown D-men rental (preferably left D).
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I would really love to watch some hockey tonight.
But...
The Bruins are off.
I'm not paying for ESPN+. Fuck that!
TNT has how many games per week? Is it one? When is it..I know, it's tonight, but it's a late game.
I turn on the NHL network for highlights/live look ins of tonight's games, and it's ANOTHER Rivalry Series game between the US and Canada womens' teams. Who fucking cares?? Do they one play each other all year long?
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Do they one play each other all year long?
No kidding! That matchup lost all it's luster about twenty games ago. Snoozefest central right there.
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Well, they’re the only two countries that have competitive women’s hockey talent, so it’s that or nothing to promote women’s hockey.
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Well, they’re the only two countries that have competitive women’s hockey talent, so it’s that or nothing to promote women’s hockey.
Can't they put it on Lifetime or the damn Hallmark channel? You know, channels that women actually watch.
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Well, they’re the only two countries that have competitive women’s hockey talent, so it’s that or nothing to promote women’s hockey.
Totally get that but…..every other month it’s “the showdown of the decade” or something like that.
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Well, they’re the only two countries that have competitive women’s hockey talent, so it’s that or nothing to promote women’s hockey.
Can't they put it on Lifetime or the damn Hallmark channel? You know, channels that women actually watch.
Jesus dude. Are you saying only women should watch women’s sports?!?
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I don't think most women even watch women's sports.
Just ask Bill Burr. "Name your top five WNBA players! You can't do it!"
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Well, they’re the only two countries that have competitive women’s hockey talent, so it’s that or nothing to promote women’s hockey.
Can't they put it on Lifetime or the damn Hallmark channel? You know, channels that women actually watch.
Jesus dude. Are you saying only women should watch women’s sports?!?
No. But if men watched women's sports, there'd be more of a market for them. Men don't care and putting them on the men's hockey channel is only going to piss men off more.
I'd venture to guess that the NHL Network's demos have to be at least 80% men..probably 90%.
Women's hockey should be on a Saturday afternoon on actual channel that women actually watch.
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I don't think most women even watch women's sports.
Just ask Bill Burr. "Name your top five WNBA players! You can't do it!"
Exactly.
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Tim, you'd love Bill Burr's rant on that.
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Tim, you'd love Bill Burr's rant on that.
I've seen it and he's dead on, as usual.
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Well, they’re the only two countries that have competitive women’s hockey talent, so it’s that or nothing to promote women’s hockey.
Can't they put it on Lifetime or the damn Hallmark channel? You know, channels that women actually watch.
Jesus dude. Are you saying only women should watch women’s sports?!?
No. But if men watched women's sports, there'd be more of a market for them. Men don't care and putting them on the men's hockey channel is only going to piss men off more.
I'd venture to guess that the NHL Network's demos have to be at least 80% men..probably 90%.
Women's hockey should be on a Saturday afternoon on actual channel that women actually watch.
Wow. “men’s hockey channel”. I’m kinda at a loss for words.
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It's the NHL Network.
Do any women play in the NHL?
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You’re right. It deserves to be a 100% sausage fest. Fire all the broad commentators while they’re at it.
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No one said that, and now you're just intentionally being emotional and creating a straw man.
It's the NHL Network.
The NHL features men playing hockey.
This is not difficult to connect the dots.
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It certainly isn’t.
And all I’m doing is making as ridiculous a comment as some of the others I saw. The difference is, I was being facetious. It didn’t seem like the other comments were.
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You’re right. It deserves to be a 100% sausage fest. Fire all the broad commentators while they’re at it.
Please don't fire Sofia Yurkovich.
Look, Chad, don't get all uppity about this; we get this discussion about once a quarter here in Connecticut. Uconn Women's basketball is probably the premier women's college hoop team in the nation over the last 30 years, and they just don't compete with the Men's program, even though the level of success isn't even close. We also have a WNBA team (the Connecticut Sun) and the fact remains, the draw just isn't there. I don't know what the underlying reasons are - I know why I don't watch, but that's just me (has NOTHING to do with "women") - but you all were all up on your "the marketplace speaks!" high horses in the Roald Dahl thread, well, here the market is ALSO speaking. You get the good with the bad.
EDIT: By the way "you" is collective, not you, personally. I'm not sure you even posted in the thread I'm referring to.
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All fair points, Bill... and I didn't watch any of that series either - this year or previous years. But it's got nothing to do with it being females - I also don't seek out the AHL, or any college sports. Yes, the market is speaking, but it's also decades of zero exposure for most of women's sport. So to trash the exposure in a sexist manner, degrading the players by suggesting they aren't worthy of mainstream exposure, rubbed me the wrong way. And Tim ... if the comment wasn't meant that way, just understand how it could be (and was) interpreted as such.
It's like the Tiger Woods thing on the weekend. Innocent jabs/pranks between 'the guys' ... but it's an implied degradation of women as being lesser than men. 'you hit/throw like a girl' used to be an acceptable insult. I personally don't think it is anymore. But, I digress. I'll leave it at that - certainly didn't want/intend to see this thread veer in a P/R direction.
P.S. I don't remember anything about a Roald Dahl thread, or being on any high horse - a quick search suggests you're confusing me and XJ. I'm taking a well deserved hiatus from P/R. :biggrin:
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Doesn't exposure usually have to be earned? Should the networks say, "hey, we have no idea if anyone is gonna watch this, but it's a women's sports, so let's put it on prime time!" That would be like giving a completely unknown band a stadium tour and saying, "let's see how ticket sales go!" No one wants to lose their ass on an unknown entity. Heck, the NBA subsidized the WNBA, yet that league has still be a total flop.
In a way, sports is not all that dissimilar from music. The money goes where the interest is. I am sure there are some here who think it's unfair that women like Beyonce and Taylor Swift get to do stadium tours and makes millions and millions, while our beloved Dream Theater, a group of men, have to play 2,000 seat (give or take) venues to scrape out a good living, but, again, that's the marketplace to which Bill alluded.
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All fair points, Bill... and I didn't watch any of that series either - this year or previous years. But it's got nothing to do with it being females - I also don't seek out the AHL, or any college sports. Yes, the market is speaking, but it's also decades of zero exposure for most of women's sport. So to trash the exposure in a sexist manner, degrading the players by suggesting they aren't worthy of mainstream exposure, rubbed me the wrong way. And Tim ... if the comment wasn't meant that way, just understand how it could be (and was) interpreted as such.
It's like the Tiger Woods thing on the weekend. Innocent jabs/pranks between 'the guys' ... but it's an implied degradation of women as being lesser than men. 'you hit/throw like a girl' used to be an acceptable insult. I personally don't think it is anymore. But, I digress. I'll leave it at that - certainly didn't want/intend to see this thread veer in a P/R direction.
P.S. I don't remember anything about a Roald Dahl thread, or being on any high horse - a quick search suggests you're confusing me and XJ. I'm taking a well deserved hiatus from P/R. :biggrin:
Yeah, I edited my response; the "you" was general, not specific.
I just think we can say they are not worthy - from a media perspective - without it being referendum on what we might or might not think of women or women's sports more generally. I went to Uconn, I grew up with Uconn women's basketball. Diana Taurasi is a world-class athlete under ANY standard. The list of Uconn players after her that are equally deserving of that accolade is stunningly long. But for whatever reason (and I don't profess to have the answers) that doesn't translate into box office or revenue, and that's the driver for putting these things on TV on any regular basis.
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Doesn't exposure usually have to be earned? Should the networks say, "hey, we have no idea if anyone is gonna watch this, but it's a women's sports, so let's put it on prime time!" That would be like giving a completely unknown band a stadium tour and saying, "let's see how ticket sales go!" No one wants to lose their ass on an unknown entity. Heck, the NBA subsidized the WNBA, yet that league has still be a total flop.
In a way, sports is not all that dissimilar from music. The money goes where the interest is. I am sure there are some here who think it's unfair that women like Beyonce and Taylor Swift get to do stadium tours and makes millions and millions, while our beloved Dream Theater, a group of men, have to play 2,000 seat (give or take) venues to scrape out a good living, but, again, that's the marketplace to which Bill alluded.
And which we support wholeheartedly when it DOES align with our personal values.
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The NHL can't afford to just promote women's hockey for what seems like forever taking a financial hit for decades just to try and make it work, no matter how poorly it's doing.
Women aren't the Arizona Coyotes.
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All fair points, Bill... and I didn't watch any of that series either - this year or previous years. But it's got nothing to do with it being females - I also don't seek out the AHL, or any college sports. Yes, the market is speaking, but it's also decades of zero exposure for most of women's sport. So to trash the exposure in a sexist manner, degrading the players by suggesting they aren't worthy of mainstream exposure, rubbed me the wrong way. And Tim ... if the comment wasn't meant that way, just understand how it could be (and was) interpreted as such.
It's like the Tiger Woods thing on the weekend. Innocent jabs/pranks between 'the guys' ... but it's an implied degradation of women as being lesser than men. 'you hit/throw like a girl' used to be an acceptable insult. I personally don't think it is anymore. But, I digress. I'll leave it at that - certainly didn't want/intend to see this thread veer in a P/R direction.
But I never trashed it in a sexist way. I never degraded one player. I never made an innocent jab between the guys.
The NHL network is hurting for programming so they can fill a slot fairly cheaply. And they’ll look good doing it. But the NHL is fucking over their real fans by making the games impossible to find on TV, demanding a subscription to watch, and showing womens games that no one gives a shit about. You yourself said you don’t watch them. I’m not sure why you’d get all defensive over it.
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I don't know what the Kings should be doing this deadline. I kinda joked about wanting Määttä back, but he got extended by the Red Wings so that's a no go. Everyone thinks we should get a goalie, but getting a goalie is a huge no-go unless they think they can trade Cal Petersen's contract at a price that doesn't kill the team and get someone like Gibson or Demko or Karel Vejmelka (which the Kings kinda slit their throats on that one, scoring 5 goals on 14 shots on that guy). If the prices to do those things aren't where Rob Blake likes it to be, I'm all in favor of them trying to get a good shutdown D-men rental (preferably left D).
I honestly think that would be a horrible idea. I don't know who's available, but I'm all for riding Copley to the end this season and into the next one. I can't imagine Anaheim trading with us, and Gibson hasn't looked any better than Quick this season in the games I've seen. Lefthanded D should be the priority, but I don't think we NEED to make a move right now. The chemistry is really good.
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^^ I concur. Rob Blake is also a guy that's not going to make moves for the sake of moves, which can be frustrating to media people. It seems like the target for LD would be Jakob Chychrun, but it looks like the Coyotes wants either Byfield or Clarke in the deal and does not want decent AAV contracts (think Sean Walker or Sean Durzi) coming back the other way and I'm thinking, "Nope. If these are the terms the Coyotes are laying out, that's a no-go." They want the Kings' top prospects and don't want a contract back the other way to make the cap work for the Kings, it's going to be hard for the Kings to make that deal work for this season and next season.
I mean fudge. The Coyotes got a 5th round pick and gave up a depth D in the AHL to take in Shea Weber's contract from the Golden Knights. That contract carries a AAV of about $8M for three years, but the salary is only $1M a year for three years. This would keep them above the cap floor for a while.
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Hot damn, the Red Wings have won 7 of their last 8, 10 of their last 14, and put themselves back in playoff position. Sweet! Looked good against the Rangers last night, and Husso played out of his mind in goal. The last time they were in a playoff position this late in the season was 2016, which was also the last time they made the playoffs. They're going to have to continue to hustle and play hard down the stretch, because there are a bunch of teams within striking distance of the Wild Card spots in the East, and they don't have an easy schedule, but it's nice to be talking about the playoffs rather than how the Wings will get screwed in the draft lottery!
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Crazy win for the B's at the Kraken. I went to bed after the 2nd period. When it was 4-4.
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Nice of Buffalo to at least prevent TB from getting 2 points, but it would've been nicer if they'd held on to the regulation win.
I fully expect the Eastern WC is going to boil down to Pitt, Det, and Buffalo. Isles and Caps are only sitting where they are because they've played so many more games than the latter two; and Pitt is still in it despite their current losing streak. The Isles and Caps just haven't looked like they have it in them. Unless one of them goes on a 7-10 game heater of some sort, I don't see them making the dance.
I tell ya, if Buff snags the #8 spot, I'll definitely be going to Games 3 and 4 against the Bs.
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The Rangers had a piss poor showing against the Red Wings last night, but on the plus side, the Penguins got the shit kicked out of them by the Oilers so yesterday wasn’t a total disaster.
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And once again the Kings gag away a lead. It was an early lead and "only" a 2-0 lead (and they still got a point for taking the game to OT), but these sorts of gains are really disappointing. Jersey's a quality opponent, but you can't let that happen. Hopefully we get a better result tonight against the Islanders.
Thanks to the Bruins for beating Seattle in regulation. A pox on Calgary for yacking away a lead against Vegas. And ouch to the Pens for getting bitch-slapped by Edmonton. Seattle's 4-5-1 in their last 10, so hopefully they'll drift away. Kings need to TCB.
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Crazy win for the B's at the Kraken. I went to bed after the 2nd period. When it was 4-4.
I lasted a minute into the game. Once the Kraken scored, I went to bed. I was only planning on watching the first few shifts anyway.
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Crazy win for the B's at the Kraken. I went to bed after the 2nd period. When it was 4-4.
I lasted a minute into the game. Once the Kraken scored, I went to bed. I was only planning on watching the first few shifts anyway.
I slept until 8:45am. I need to stop staying up late and get back into a regular sleep pattern for next week.
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Hot damn, the Red Wings have won 7 of their last 8, 10 of their last 14, and put themselves back in playoff position. Sweet! Looked good against the Rangers last night, and Husso played out of his mind in goal. The last time they were in a playoff position this late in the season was 2016, which was also the last time they made the playoffs. They're going to have to continue to hustle and play hard down the stretch, because there are a bunch of teams within striking distance of the Wild Card spots in the East, and they don't have an easy schedule, but it's nice to be talking about the playoffs rather than how the Wings will get screwed in the draft lottery!
Every game right now is huge. But up next is Tampa for what could be a huge statement game and then must wins against Ottawa x2.
And not too far in the distant future are some must win games against lesser opponents.
With that in mind...
Just bought a pair of 4th row tickets for the March 5th Red Wings/Flyers game for me and my wife, and am still planning on getting tickets to the March 25th games for me and my mom.
The only downside is that they take place (especially the first one) right after the trade deadline, so the Flyers will likely be missing a guy or three I wouldn't mind seeing again.
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Crazy win for the B's at the Kraken. I went to bed after the 2nd period. When it was 4-4.
I lasted a minute into the game. Once the Kraken scored, I went to bed. I was only planning on watching the first few shifts anyway.
I slept until 8:45am. I need to stop staying up late and get back into a regular sleep pattern for next week.
I toughed it out. Not thrilled with Swayman's performance (I was just warming to him, too) but they are a resilient bunch, I'll give you that. Literally anyone on the ice for the B's can score at any time, and that's a tough thing to combat. The Kraken (by the way, worst uniforms of any North American pro sport. My BATHROOM is painted that color.) just didn't have enough answers for them.
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Swayman has been one of the hottest goalies in the league for the last couple of months.
The Kraken are lethal.
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Lots of tipped pucks and rebounds in a crowd for both last night.
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The Kraken (by the way, worst uniforms of any North American pro sport. My BATHROOM is painted that color.) just didn't have enough answers for them.
The San Diego Padres have entered the chat.
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I hate the Padres, but I think their pinstripe unis are pretty nice (and the old shit brown/mustard unis have a "so bad they're good" nostalgic kitsch quality about them).
I'd have to give some real though to who has the worst unis right now.
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Well, at least, the Kings didn't blow a lead to get a game to OT this time around. This road trip is pretty rough. 1-1-1 so far, which not the greatest when trying to jock for position in the Pacific. Isles and Wild have great goalies. Devils have a great offensive punch. Now the Kings got to go to MSG against a souped up Rangers team that still has a great goalie (and maybe the Rangers are in the running to get Patrick Kane before then. I so don't want that for many reasons by Sunday). The road trip, oddly, ends with a trip to Winnipeg to against the Jets (and oh yeah, go against another great goalie). Got to get the Ws how they can get them.
Looks like for the West, only 9 teams are in the hunt for spots (maybe 10, but the Preds are starting to look like they are may be fading). The Flames are still in this thing, but there seems to be a fair amount of tension there and Darryl Sutter doing the Darryl Sutter things isn't really helping them.
The East has like 11 teams in the hunt for spots. Red Wings and Sabres aren't going to go away that easily. The Pens has already start to fall off and, from what I've read, the Pittsburgh crowd in yesterday's game has had enough of Ron Hextall as GM. The Caps are going to call it when it comes to the playoff chase. Too many old guys and injuries and they are already trading off some of their UFA guys (to the Bruins.....).
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Hawks are in San Jose tomorrow. Maybe they hold him out of that game, but I think it might be tough at this point to get him in the game in New York Sunday.
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It was announced that Kane would be taking the day off today by The Athletic Blackhawks beat writer.... Plus I think the Rangers were healthy scratching a few guys that may be considered potential trade pieces.
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The Leafs/Wild game was ugly and sloppy until the last 20 seconds. What a fucking goal by Nylander https://youtu.be/YdqH6QNulkw?t=461. Maybe his best of the year; maybe Top 10 of the year so far. He's come a long way as a 2-way player this year ... in the past, when he loses the puck like this, he'd mope and coast to the bench for a line change.
Only 9 points of spread between 1st and 9th in the West; in the East, it's 29 points that separates 1st from 9th! :lol
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Yup. The west is going to be a nail biter to finish the season. Thankfully the teams start falling off pretty quickly after Nashville, and even the Preds are 7pts back of the WC. I would not feel comfortable if there were 2 or 3 teams in the hunt for the WC with how close the standings are.
In unrelated news, Craig Anderson is still in the league (BUF). Apparently set a record for oldest goalie with 50 saves in a game. I thought he was a few years into retirement...
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Watching the Oilers furiously erase a 4 goal deficit against CBJ, and i have to say what a treat it is to watch Connor McDavid. Anyone claiming he's not clearly the best player in the league right now flat out doesn't watch him play. He makes most of his opponents look like minor leaguers.
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Watching the Oilers furiously erase a 4 goal deficit against CBJ, and i have to say what a treat it is to watch Connor McDavid. Anyone claiming he's not clearly the best player in the league right now flat out doesn't watch him play. He makes most of his opponents look like minor leaguers.
Must be frustrating to have this elite player put in this effort game after game, racking up all the points and goals, and the team still can't get a W in the end result and no pts for the standings at all. If he's in a team like Avs, Bolts, Bruins and he's with all of their solid depth players, he's winning the cup with that team.
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Watching the Oilers furiously erase a 4 goal deficit against CBJ, and i have to say what a treat it is to watch Connor McDavid. Anyone claiming he's not clearly the best player in the league right now flat out doesn't watch him play. He makes most of his opponents look like minor leaguers.
Really looking forward to watching the B's play the Oilers Monday night.
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Well that was ugly…
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Watching the Oilers furiously erase a 4 goal deficit against CBJ, and i have to say what a treat it is to watch Connor McDavid. Anyone claiming he's not clearly the best player in the league right now flat out doesn't watch him play. He makes most of his opponents look like minor leaguers.
Must be frustrating to have this elite player put in this effort game after game, racking up all the points and goals, and the team still can't get a W in the end result and no pts for the standings at all. If he's in a team like Avs, Bolts, Bruins and he's with all of their solid depth players, he's winning the cup with that team.
Very much so. 2 most offensive players in the league, and the team just can't keep the damn puck out of the net. I don't expect either McDavid or Draisaitl to resign after these contracts, so the window is right now. The 3rd and 4th lines are contributing a bit offensively, but collectively the D, forwards amd goaltending just aren't getting it done
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Watching the Oilers furiously erase a 4 goal deficit against CBJ, and i have to say what a treat it is to watch Connor McDavid. Anyone claiming he's not clearly the best player in the league right now flat out doesn't watch him play. He makes most of his opponents look like minor leaguers.
Must be frustrating to have this elite player put in this effort game after game, racking up all the points and goals, and the team still can't get a W in the end result and no pts for the standings at all. If he's in a team like Avs, Bolts, Bruins and he's with all of their solid depth players, he's winning the cup with that team.
Very much so. 2 most offensive players in the league, and the team just can't keep the damn puck out of the net. I don't expect either McDavid or Draisaitl to resign after these contracts, so the window is right now. The 3rd and 4th lines are contributing a bit offensively, but collectively the D, forwards amd goaltending just aren't getting it done
The Oilers have sat on their hands so far as other teams are making moves. Do you have any expectation that they'll make a deal that can help them?
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Watching the Oilers furiously erase a 4 goal deficit against CBJ, and i have to say what a treat it is to watch Connor McDavid. Anyone claiming he's not clearly the best player in the league right now flat out doesn't watch him play. He makes most of his opponents look like minor leaguers.
Must be frustrating to have this elite player put in this effort game after game, racking up all the points and goals, and the team still can't get a W in the end result and no pts for the standings at all. If he's in a team like Avs, Bolts, Bruins and he's with all of their solid depth players, he's winning the cup with that team.
Very much so. 2 most offensive players in the league, and the team just can't keep the damn puck out of the net. I don't expect either McDavid or Draisaitl to resign after these contracts, so the window is right now. The 3rd and 4th lines are contributing a bit offensively, but collectively the D, forwards amd goaltending just aren't getting it done
The Oilers have sat on their hands so far as other teams are making moves. Do you have any expectation that they'll make a deal that can help them?
I expect a deal or two. Kane is out with broken ribs, so I'm guessing Holland is feeling extra heat to add some depth. I just don't know what they can move for a decent return. Philip Broberg used to be the dangle, but he's playing regular minutes on the team these days. The biggest need is probably 1-2 3rd/4th liners that play responsible D, and a top 4 D. Wishful thinking all around, me thinks
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I easily think the Oilers can come out of the Pacific, and even the West in general. Not sure if the Avs can get healthy enough in time.
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I easily think the Oilers can come out of the Pacific, and even the West in general. Not sure if the Avs can get healthy enough in time.
I like their odds, as well. I'm just terrified about the defense and tending. West is wide open this year.
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Ulmark with an empty netter!!
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Ulmark with an empty netter!!
I heard. :lol
Joe, we went to a brutal 60th birthday party at probably the worst restaurant in our town. The only thing that got me through was coming home and watching the Bruins game, which my son taped for me. My wife turned on the radio, and I shut it off because I didn't want to hear a score.
You texted me literally as I was backing the car into our driveway. :lol :lol
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You suck! You watch every game live! I feel so bad!!
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Ulmark with an empty netter!!
https://youtu.be/B97Kxv7ji-o
Awesome!
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That was pretty awesome
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That was pretty awesome
It was.... except hearing Edwards nearly give himself a stroke he was so giddy. He's gotta be the worst homer commentator in the league - though to be fair, I haven't heard all of them. I'm "seeing history"?? Thank god for the reasoned color from Brickley. That guy is gold. Edwards is a clown.
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Nice to see the Devils put up a touchdown on Philly last night, and now hearing that the Canes may be out on Timo Meier which is welcome news.
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That was pretty awesome
It was.... except hearing Edwards nearly give himself a stroke he was so giddy. He's gotta be the worst homer commentator in the league - though to be fair, I haven't heard all of them. I'm "seeing history"?? Thank god for the reasoned color from Brickley. That guy is gold. Edwards is a clown.
Yeah...I was thinking the same thing. I don't know the guy, but I was thinking "overkill much, buddy?" History? LOL!
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That was pretty awesome
It was.... except hearing Edwards nearly give himself a stroke he was so giddy. He's gotta be the worst homer commentator in the league - though to be fair, I haven't heard all of them. I'm "seeing history"?? Thank god for the reasoned color from Brickley. That guy is gold. Edwards is a clown.
I think Andy Brickley is outstanding. He's been a tad infected by Jack, but I'm often times embarrassed for him.
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Eh, I think most local announcers tend to be major homers who go over the top with calls of big plays for the home team. They are calling the games for the local audience, not a national one, so hyperbole is par for the course.
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Sorry, not sorry. I like Jack's homerism. He's exciting to listen to.
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Sorry, not sorry. I like Jack's homerism. He's exciting to listen to.
He's a pain in the ass and embarrassing.
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For people who are Islander fans.
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Hew Hampshire doesn't even have a hockey team.
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Boston is closer than Long Island for you.
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:lol
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Ulmark with an empty netter!!
I heard. :lol
Joe, we went to a brutal 60th birthday party at probably the worst restaurant in our town. The only thing that got me through was coming home and watching the Bruins game, which my son taped for me. My wife turned on the radio, and I shut it off because I didn't want to hear a score.
You texted me literally as I was backing the car into our driveway. :lol :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4BxeSOem_0
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:lol
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Eh, I think most local announcers tend to be major homers who go over the top with calls of big plays for the home team. They are calling the games for the local audience, not a national one, so hyperbole is par for the course.
You think wrong - at least, speaking about the SportsNet crews. Sure, there's a little more excitement when calling the goals for the Canadian teams, but otherwise they're fairly balanced.
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Barbashev to the Knights.
Meier to the Devils.
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That was pretty awesome
It was.... except hearing Edwards nearly give himself a stroke he was so giddy. He's gotta be the worst homer commentator in the league - though to be fair, I haven't heard all of them. I'm "seeing history"?? Thank god for the reasoned color from Brickley. That guy is gold. Edwards is a clown.
I think Andy Brickley is outstanding. He's been a tad infected by Jack, but I'm often times embarrassed for him.
Jack Edwards is a running joke between my stepson and I. I love him. He's insane, and I'm convinced he drinks his way through the game (listen to his post-games with Jim Montgomery; they are hilarious as he slurs his words trying to get his questions out) but I love him. And in terms of pure hockey game calling, he's very good. "Homer" isn't the word, though. I don't know if he still does, but for a long time he lived in the next town over from me, and I'm dying to run into him at Dunkin or something. Andy is very good at hockey knowledge, but sometimes his sing-song delivery is boring, and he's as much of a homer as anyone ("David Pastrnak turns the puck over a lot, but all the great ones do". No, no they don't! That's why they are great, because they DON'T turn the puck over you moron!)
I also love Edwards' commercials; "The Bostonians" are hilarious (though it helps that the girl is cute). "GOOOAAAAAAL!" "GOOOAAAAAALLLLL!"
EDIT: It's also a well-established Boston practice for the announcers to BE big-time homers. The old school Celtic announcers were the worst.
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I grew up to Fred Cusick and Johnny Pierson calling the Bruins games, and holy shit were they homers.
Brick is amazing, but he's been working with Jack too long.
And Stads...The Bostonians commercials blow! :lol
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The official Meier trade per the Sharks' Twitter. That's a lot of pieces going towards one team to another, both ways.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fp8DgoXaUAASZMX?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/SanJoseSharks/status/1630025454047621120
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I'm pretty happy with that, we land Timo and didn't surrender any of our top-tier prospects in the process.
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Eh, I think most local announcers tend to be major homers who go over the top with calls of big plays for the home team. They are calling the games for the local audience, not a national one, so hyperbole is par for the course.
LA Kings fans have been hugely fortunate in this regard. We had HHOF'er Bob Miller for the better part of 45 years (long before I started following hockey). When he retired in 2017, we got Alex Faust, who is outstanding. And, also for longer than I've been following the sport, we've had Jim Fox as the color analyst. On the radio side, we've had HHOF'er Nick Nickson for nearly 35 years. When I first started following hockey in the early '90s, Nickson's partner was Brian Engblom. Daryl Evans (of Miracle on Manchester fame) took his spot beside Nickson in 1998 and remains there today. All of these guys strike a great balance between wanting the Kings to do well and being critical when it's warranted (as it was today).
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Wow, one period in and I'm out of breath. Jeezus, McDavid is ridiculous. He's a threat every shift. You have to know where he is at all times. And those turbo jets....holy shit!
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These are the few times I really appreciate the Bs. Thank you for taking care of business against the Kraken and Oilers in regulation.
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That game was intense.
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That double minor with 4:30 to go was a bad time to take a penalty. I was surprised Boston went with what i assume is their regular 5 on 3 lineup of 5 forwards knowing full well that the Oilers were going to go for it by sending McDavid and Draisaitl out for that kill. As it is, the oil lead the league in shorties. It clearly still worked out for the B's, but i think they'd have preferred it wasn't end-to-end action like that when they have a 2 man advantage. Exciting game last night. Another tough outing Wednesday against the leafs.
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Wow, one period in and I'm out of breath. Jeezus, McDavid is ridiculous. He's a threat every shift. You have to know where he is at all times. And those turbo jets....holy shit!
I watched the game with my stepson, and I literally said the exact same thing: a player like that you need to know where he is - including on the bench - at every moment. The local guys - Billy Jaffe and Andrew Raycroft - both said, you can't stop him, you can only hope to keep him UNDER three points. And they did that. I thought they looked really good. I REALLY love how they spread the scoring across all four lines. That's going to be key when the season starts (i.e. the playoffs).
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Oh my god is the Patrick Kane trade actually happening?!
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Wow, one period in and I'm out of breath. Jeezus, McDavid is ridiculous. He's a threat every shift. You have to know where he is at all times. And those turbo jets....holy shit!
I watched the game with my stepson, and I literally said the exact same thing: a player like that you need to know where he is - including on the bench - at every moment. The local guys - Billy Jaffe and Andrew Raycroft - both said, you can't stop him, you can only hope to keep him UNDER three points. And they did that. I thought they looked really good. I REALLY love how they spread the scoring across all four lines. That's going to be key when the season starts (i.e. the playoffs).
I thought the Bruins were solid, but I didn't think they were crisp at all. I thought they were intimidated by the Oilers' speed. Keep in mind, this is the fastest Bruins team I've ever seen.
The ice looked choppy and pucks were bouncing all over the place. Their timing looked off the entire night.
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Oh my god is the Patrick Kane trade actually happening?!
Yeah, looks like it's happening. The Coyotes will be a 3rd team to eat up 1/4th of that giant cap hit, but who cares about that. It's the move people probably thought was going to happen at the trade deadline and here we go. The Rangers got one souped up Top Six (even if Kane may be banged up and not producing at a pace like he has always done).
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Wow, one period in and I'm out of breath. Jeezus, McDavid is ridiculous. He's a threat every shift. You have to know where he is at all times. And those turbo jets....holy shit!
I watched the game with my stepson, and I literally said the exact same thing: a player like that you need to know where he is - including on the bench - at every moment. The local guys - Billy Jaffe and Andrew Raycroft - both said, you can't stop him, you can only hope to keep him UNDER three points. And they did that. I thought they looked really good. I REALLY love how they spread the scoring across all four lines. That's going to be key when the season starts (i.e. the playoffs).
I thought the Bruins were solid, but I didn't think they were crisp at all. I thought they were intimidated by the Oilers' speed. Keep in mind, this is the fastest Bruins team I've ever seen.
The ice looked choppy and pucks were bouncing all over the place. Their timing looked off the entire night.
No, you're right; they weren't crisp, and they will have to be in the playoffs. I just like their game a lot. Physical without being plodding, and they are very tenacious in the offensive zone.
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Dubas is still wheeling and dealing - Sandin to the Caps for Gustaffson and Boston's 1st Rounder. Gustaffson is instantly the top defensive point-person on the Leafs. Not bad for an $800k AAV guy.
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Dubas is still wheeling and dealing - Sandin to the Caps for Gustaffson and Boston's 1st Rounder. Gustaffson is instantly the top defensive point-person on the Leafs. Not bad for an $800k AAV guy.
:omg: :omg:
Leafs get Luke Schenn.
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There still has to be more to go. They've got 8 defensemen that were all top-6 as of this morning. I wouldn't be surprised if TJ Brodie is on the move for a Top 6 forward. But who, I don't know. Bertuzzi?
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Holy shit. Seriously holy shit. Words cannot even begin to explain my excitement. I was already hyped for Tarasenko, but adding Kane to this team is absolutely insane.
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^^ I think you should quell your expectations. Analytics people has been saying that Kane is actually brings negative value to a team nowadays. You want him in any defensive zone roles? I would say your coach is a moron if he put Kane in that role. That's all right, you still got Igor and that goalie is still good. He should be able to cover those deficiencies if it flares.
I will say after watching a few Kings/Blackhawks games the last two seasons that Kane is still a very dangerous player when he has the puck. Still has great play-making abilities. Aside from McDavid and Kucherov, this guy I'm scared of the most watching when he has the puck against the Kings.
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Dammit! Bruins in Calgary tonight and I was counting on looking at those gorgeous red uniforms...but the Flames are wearing their ugly black ones.
I am disappoint. :tdwn
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^^ I think you should quell your expectations. Analytics people has been saying that Kane is actually brings negative value to a team nowadays. You want him in any defensive zone roles? I would say your coach is a moron if he put Kane in that role. That's all right, you still got Igor and that goalie is still good. He should be able to cover those deficiencies if it flares.
I will say after watching a few Kings/Blackhawks games the last two seasons that Kane is still a very dangerous player when he has the puck. Still has great play-making abilities. Aside from McDavid and Kucherov, this guy I'm scared of the most watching when he has the puck against the Kings.
Sums it up well. With a solid finisher on his line, it could be absolutely lethal around the net. Fans will just need to do some wishing and hoping the puck doesn't go the other direction. Should be interesting to watch down the stretch
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Kane should really open up the Rags' PP.
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Man, I was really going to lose it if the Kings would have lost that game against the Jets after Kopitar scores 4 goals. Thank goodness, Vilardi tied it and the Kings get it done in the shootout.
I'm still puzzled on what the Kings should do at the deadline. Apparently, some rumblings is being made from Darren Dreger about doing a deal with CBJ in getting Gavrikov (a LD) and Korpisalo (a goalie). I'm not sure if getting a goalie is really going to be a huge upgrade like people think it would be, but gaining any defensive edges right now in a tight West race would be nice. I just hope it doesn't cost a fortune getting it. In all fairness, that's really the one thing the Kings do need to really get a deep run going. Made a deal with CBJ. They were two for two on trade deadline times with the Blue Jackets.
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1630743706667040769
Looks how bunched up everyone is in the West. Anyone could feasibly get hot and win the conference title.
(https://i.imgur.com/v6DP8jx.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/nBAM3d7.png)
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Oh. Well then..... the Kings are moving out Quick in that deal.... I hate this, but he's not winning the games he needs to win and sadly, the team isn't doing everything they can to help him win the games when he's in net. This man is the greatest goalie the franchise ever has. His long contract ends this season. Probably do the sign for one day to properly retire as a King and they'll give him the jersey retirement and statue.
(https://i.imgur.com/EZUMWbP.png)
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1630800777785516032
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Many thanks to Florida for doing a solid and beating Tampa in regulation.
And b2b stompings by Ottawa on Detroit makes things even MORE crowded for the East WC. NYI and Pitt hold them for now, but 5 teams within 5 points of the Isles (3 behind the Pens), while Buf/Det/Ott have 4 or 5 games in hand over the Isles. I do really think the Isles are 'out' of it, and just don't think Florida can pull themselves together in the last 20 games. Unfortunately*, being in the Atlantic, Buf/Det/Ott have the 2nd, 4th, and 5th (respectively) hardest strength of schedule left. Fla has the 15th; Pitt the 19th; Isles the 23rd.
Dis gonna be interesting.
*according to tankathon.com; powerrankingsguru.com tells a slightly different story, but still pretty consistent.
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Bruins beat the Flames on the back of Linus Ullmark. They were outshot something like 54-20. B's had nothing left. (B2B, 3 in 4, 4 in 6) Managed to go 4-0 on their West Coast trip.
Dmitri Orlov 2G 1A, after 2A the night before.
B's lose Nick Foligno. Not sure what happened, but he looked in pain coming off the ice.
Bruins test will the second round. I really worry about Toronto. Even Tampa, but I think Toronto is the team to beat.
I'm really not chuffed about the Kane move. I think the Rangers' PP just got more lethal, but as B's fan. I'm not worried about facing them in the Conference Finals, if it comes to that.
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Bruins beat the Flames on the back of Linus Ullmark. They were outshot something like 54-20. B's had nothing left. (B2B, 3 in 4, 4 in 6) Managed to go 4-0 on their West Coast trip.
Dmitri Orlov 2G 1A, after 2A the night before.
B's lose Nick Foligno. Not sure what happened, but he looked in pain coming off the ice.
Bruins test will the second round. I really worry about Toronto. Even Tampa, but I think Toronto is the team to beat.
I'm really not chuffed about the Kane move. I think the Rangers' PP just got more lethal, but as B's fan. I'm not worried about facing them in the Conference Finals, if it comes to that.
Yeah, i saw the stat line this morning, and was :omg: :omg: :omg:. And then scoring with 4.3s left. Wow. I'm really liking the moves that the Leafs have made, but still think there's another one to come - they've actually got too many D-men (imo), and I can't see the Schenn move being JUST for playoff insurance / resting some bodies down the stretch. The current roster only has 12 forwards, but people available to be called up that have played in the NHL this year. But, the Defense picture:
Reilly - not going anywhere
Brodie - ?? $5M AAV, and still has one more year of term. He's also looked a little shaky and inconsistent lately
Holl - solid defender, and team-mates love him.
Liljegren - young, cheap, dependable, one more year of term, and an RFA after that ... I don't see him going anywhere
Gio - not going anywhere. $800k AAV, and one more year of term.
Gustaffson - clearly not going anywhere
McCabe - clearly not going anywhere
Schenn - clearly not going anywhere
Benn - been riding the pine for a while. He's good insurance to keep for the playoffs though (imo). Strong tough dude too.
Mete - LTIR
Something's gotta give imo. Could/should be an interesting couple of days.
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Bruins beat the Flames on the back of Linus Ullmark. They were outshot something like 54-20. B's had nothing left. (B2B, 3 in 4, 4 in 6) Managed to go 4-0 on their West Coast trip.
Dmitri Orlov 2G 1A, after 2A the night before.
B's lose Nick Foligno. Not sure what happened, but he looked in pain coming off the ice.
Bruins test will the second round. I really worry about Toronto. Even Tampa, but I think Toronto is the team to beat.
I'm really not chuffed about the Kane move. I think the Rangers' PP just got more lethal, but as B's fan. I'm not worried about facing them in the Conference Finals, if it comes to that.
That was quite the game. That was the worst game of the year for about four of their players - McAvoy, Bergeron, Pastrnak, at least - and yet they found a way. That team DOES. NOT. QUIT. Besides Ullmark, I think the only one that really played to their capability was Marchand (I don't know Orlov enough to know; he certainly played well early). He basically single-handed that winning goal with his toughness.
Big Foligno fan, of course, but the question is really Hall (who was back in Boston). We have a surplus of solid, three-way defensemen, but the B's stock in trade is that our 3 and 4 is as good as most teams 2, and with TWO forwards starting to nurse injuries, that's in jeopardy.
Montgomery officially said that Grzlck (whatever), Carlo, Forbert and Clifton are on a rotation for Orlov. He didn't anticipate that McAvoy or Lindholm would be in that rotation, absent bumps and bruises. if the guys are in on that (and it seems they are) that's a nice little set up come playoff time.
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And b2b stompings by Ottawa on Detroit makes things even MORE crowded for the East WC.
Man, after such a good showing in a loss to Tampa those two games against Ottawa were VERY deflating. While on their heater I really was believing in Detroit's ability to make some sort of run, those two games showed they may not be ready for hard nosed playoff type hockey. Who knows, maybe they still make the playoffs. But at this point if they can get a good return for him, I think the smart move is to trade Bertuzzi and hopefully resign Larkin at the deadline.
The only upside in those two games was if I was going to watch one player absolutely light us up on back to back nights, I'm glad it was Giroux.
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Montgomery officially said that Grzlck (whatever), Carlo, Forbert and Clifton are on a rotation for Orlov. He didn't anticipate that McAvoy or Lindholm would be in that rotation, absent bumps and bruises. if the guys are in on that (and it seems they are) that's a nice little set up come playoff time.
I'd love to see McAvoy and Lindholm get some rest though. Lindholm has been playing at a Norris level all year. He got dinged up last year down the stretch and into the playoffs.
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Oh. Well then..... the Kings are moving out Quick in that deal.... I hate this, but he's not winning the games he needs to win and sadly, the team isn't doing everything they can to help him win the games when he's in net. This man is the greatest goalie the franchise ever has. His long contract ends this season. Probably do the sign for one day to properly retire as a King and they'll give him the jersey retirement and statue.
(https://i.imgur.com/EZUMWbP.png)
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1630800777785516032
Fuck!
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Oh. Well then..... the Kings are moving out Quick in that deal.... I hate this, but he's not winning the games he needs to win and sadly, the team isn't doing everything they can to help him win the games when he's in net. This man is the greatest goalie the franchise ever has. His long contract ends this season. Probably do the sign for one day to properly retire as a King and they'll give him the jersey retirement and statue.
(https://i.imgur.com/EZUMWbP.png)
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1630800777785516032
Fuck!
I understand Quick has some playoff pedigree, but Korpisalo is easily the better goalie at this stage of their careers. Have you looked at Quick's stats this year? 3.5 GAA and .87 save pct is as good as a surefire 1st round exit. From an outsider's perspective, this is an upgrade for the Kings.
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Stats can be misleading, though. Binnington is at 3.29 and a save percentage of .895, but he has played better than his stats show (not like he's been elite, just not nearly that bad overall). I remember a game where he mad a ton of great saves, but was left out to dry by the defense and ended up letting in like 5 goals, and his stat line for that game looked bad as a result.
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Kings also got Gavrikov in the deal to round out the Defensemen. Cost the Kings a 1st (would turn into a 2023 2nd and 2024 2nd if the Kings don't make the playoffs), a 3rd, and Quick.
It sucks that it's a bottom line business. I know the move looks callous, but I said it before. He was not winning the games he needed to win, and the team wasn't doing enough, when he's in net, to get him there. If everyone was able to pull it together when he's in net, he was staying, but that was not the case (especially against teams like Rangers and Bolts).
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Stats can be misleading, though. Binnington is at 3.29 and a save percentage of .895, but he has played better than his stats show (not like he's been elite, just not nearly that bad overall). I remember a game where he mad a ton of great saves, but was left out to dry by the defense and ended up letting in like 5 goals, and his stat line for that game looked bad as a result.
Yeah.....there's a lot of truth to this statement don't get me wrong. He's been under an onslaught all season and has made a lot of high danger saves. BUT....even like last night, dude lets a 30 foot wrister go right between his legs. I 'get' that the mental fortitude to stay alert and focused when you're team has pretty much thrown the towel in is probably impossible to maintain....but, for as good as he has played this year (definitely better than the numbers suggest) he's definitely not in this 'unbelievable' realm that the announcers and those that cover the team keep trying to suggest. He's been nothing but average with some dazzling shit sprinkled in there at times along the way.
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Misleading or not, Korpisalo has been putting up the numbers he has been for the WORST FUCKING TEAM IN THE LEAGUE. And when the Kings are (literally, just as of yesterday's game) only at break-even on goal differential - the 16th best playoff-bound team in that respect :)), the defence and goaltending has to be upgraded. When the checking goes playoff-mode, and goals are not as easy to come by, you can't be a team that routinely eeks out 6-5 victories.
I think the LA fans here all year have been lamenting the play of Peterson and Quick, and I'm not sure that Copley is ready to be the guy that you want to put your chips on for a playoff run.
This is a good move for the Kings.
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Oh. Well then..... the Kings are moving out Quick in that deal.... I hate this, but he's not winning the games he needs to win and sadly, the team isn't doing everything they can to help him win the games when he's in net. This man is the greatest goalie the franchise ever has. His long contract ends this season. Probably do the sign for one day to properly retire as a King and they'll give him the jersey retirement and statue.
(https://i.imgur.com/EZUMWbP.png)
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1630800777785516032
Fuck!
I understand Quick has some playoff pedigree, but Korpisalo is easily the better goalie at this stage of their careers. Have you looked at Quick's stats this year? 3.5 GAA and .87 save pct is as good as a surefire 1st round exit. From an outsider's perspective, this is an upgrade for the Kings.
No. I get that. I know nothing about either of the guys we're getting in return, so I can't really comment on that. Putting aside the emotional attachment to Quick, I REALLY don't like that we're giving up our first round pick as part of this deal. I also don't like the potential impact this will have on team chemistry. The trade also "violates" three things Rob Blake said would be important coming up to the trade deadline: (1) no rentals; (2) preserve chemistry; and (3) retain first-round draft picks. Reports are that the team, as a whole, was pretty down after the game last night, despite the win.
Ultimately, changing our #1 guy with 20 games left in the regular season seems like a horrible idea. Goaltending hasn't been the biggest issue since Copley took over, and it's not like this trade makes us significantly stronger contenders for the Cup. Unless the d-man we got is the second coming of Ray Borque, I will remain unimpressed until we see the results.
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That was my biggest concern with the Bruins. Their biggest strength at this point seems to be their chemistry and camaraderie and anything that might disturb that that doesn't put Gretsky back on the ice is IMO a bad idea. So far, fingers crossed, it's working.
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The Bruins added Dmitry Orlov from the Capitals and he seems like, so far, he's immediately gelling with the team from the get go.
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No. I get that. I know nothing about either of the guys we're getting in return, so I can't really comment on that. Putting aside the emotional attachment to Quick, I REALLY don't like that we're giving up our first round pick as part of this deal. I also don't like the potential impact this will have on team chemistry. The trade also "violates" three things Rob Blake said would be important coming up to the trade deadline: (1) no rentals; (2) preserve chemistry; and (3) retain first-round draft picks. Reports are that the team, as a whole, was pretty down after the game last night, despite the win.
Ultimately, changing our #1 guy with 20 games left in the regular season seems like a horrible idea. Goaltending hasn't been the biggest issue since Copley took over, and it's not like this trade makes us significantly stronger contenders for the Cup. Unless the d-man we got is the second coming of Ray Borque, I will remain unimpressed until we see the results.
I think that is old-school GM'g. New school says 'those picks might not even make the NHL ever.' For every Tage Thompson, there's also a Dennis Cholowski (and if you're asking "who??", my answer is "exactly"). Winning teams go out and get what they need now. You think Tampa is going to lament over their lack of 1st round picks when they've got 2 cups? Plus, you can always do what the Blues are doing now ... just 4 years removed from their Cup, and they're recouping those picks by shedding end-of-contract talent.
Quick wasn't going to get them thru the playoffs this year, and he probably wasn't going to be a King next year. Trade that and a POTENTIAL player 2/3/4/ years from now for something that gives your team a better chance for post-season success - that's what GMs are doing nowadays.
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The Kings already traded their 1st, last year, and a prospect that didn't want to sign with the Kings to get Fiala.
There is a sense of if the guys the Kings get does not want to be here next season (or can chase bigger money in free agency) then spending that 1st and 3rd is just a waste for a team that doesn't look as ready yet for the next step. That said, the Kings have a fair amount of prospects right now that could be NHL players, but their roster right now is just too crowded and all the spots are filled, so I'm not too miffed in spending two picks for two rental players that can contribute now.
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The other consideration for teams like LA, and really all teams in the West that make the dance, is that it's wide open in the West this year. The standings are so close that any team could make a run for the cup final. LA may not be ready to take the 'next step', but this is as good a year to make a run at it as any.
It's not like the East where you're staring down Boston, Toronto, Carolina, NJ, etc. to make it to the conference finals, let alone the cup final. One can only hope they beat each other up badly in the first 3 rounds so there's nothing left in the tank come June.
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The other consideration for teams like LA, and really all teams in the West that make the dance, is that it's wide open in the West this year. The standings are so close that any team could make a run for the cup final. LA may not be ready to take the 'next step', but this is as good a year to make a run at it as any.
It's not like the East where you're staring down Boston, Toronto, Carolina, NJ, etc. to make it to the conference finals, let alone the cup final. One can only hope they beat each other up badly in the first 3 rounds so there's nothing left in the tank come June.
Why would one want to hope for that???
Go Bruins! :) :) :) :)
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I'm all for taking a shot with the West being wide open, but here's my thing. There are three possibilities for what we do with Korpisalo (four if you count a further move as a possibility):
They give Korpisalo the #1 job going forward. Why? Copley has been at least above average since he became the #1 guy. If that's what they're going to do, it's pretty damn bold for a team in the Kings' current position, so it sure as hell better work out.
They have Korpisalo and Copley fight it out over the last 20 games of the season to see who the #1 guy is for the playoffs. That seems like a hugely unnecessary distraction.
Korpisalo simply takes Quick's place as designated baseball cap wearer. If that's the plan, that's harmful to chemistry (at least potentially) and doesn't seem to add any value. I'd much rather have Quick as a sounding board for Copley than a guy with 9 career playoff games under his belt.
That leaves the balance of the trade. A d-man with a career -23 for a couple draft picks. Seems like a waste of draft capital.
Maybe there's more to this. They certainly didn't clear cap space for Korpisalo and Gavrikov.
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I'm all for taking a shot with the West being wide open, but here's my thing. There are three possibilities for what we do with Korpisalo (four if you count a further move as a possibility):
They give Korpisalo the #1 job going forward. Why? Copley has been at least above average since he became the #1 guy. If that's what they're going to do, it's pretty damn bold for a team in the Kings' current position, so it sure as hell better work out.
They have Korpisalo and Copley fight it out over the last 20 games of the season to see who the #1 guy is for the playoffs. That seems like a hugely unnecessary distraction.
Korpisalo simply takes Quick's place as designated baseball cap wearer. If that's the plan, that's harmful to chemistry (at least potentially) and doesn't seem to add any value. I'd much rather have Quick as a sounding board for Copley than a guy with 9 career playoff games under his belt.
That leaves the balance of the trade. A d-man with a career -23 for a couple draft picks. Seems like a waste of draft capital.
Maybe there's more to this. They certainly didn't clear cap space for Korpisalo and Gavrikov.
LA did clear $1.7M on the trade, so maybe they have something else up their sleeve.
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Gostisbehere to the Canes.
Lars Eller to the Avs
I love Lars Eller.
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I can see two scenarios come to play and it's not going to be pretty.
It's going to be like 2017 when the Kings got another goalie (Ben Bishop) and that goalie did not do anything to be impactful for the Kings and the stuff they gave to the Bolts resulted in a great defensemen prospect developing with the Bolts (Erik Cernak).
Or it's going to be like 2015-2016 where they traded Martin Jones to the Bruins and then the Bruins traded Jones to the Sharks and the Sharks got the goalie they need to beat the Kings in the playoffs in 2016.
There are sources saying that the Golden Knights may be in on wanting Quick at the deadline from Columbus. Like if they get Quick and he's the reason why the Golden Knights ends up beating the Kings in a playoff series, I'm sorry, Rob Blake, but you and/or Marc Bergervin is getting out of here. I guess it would be poetic justice after the Kings let Quick down after his huge efforts in that playoff series in 2018 where they got swept by the Golden Knights.
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OMFG. The Senators got Jacob Chychrun from the Coyotes for only a 1st round pick in 2023, a 2nd in 2024, and a 2nd in 2026. WTF, Blake? I would have loved the Kings to pay that. He had term for two years. The Sens don't even need to give up a prospect.
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OMFG. The Senators got Jacob Chychrun from the Coyotes for only a 1st round pick in 2023, a 2nd in 2024, and a 2nd in 2026. WTF, Blake? I would have loved the Kings to pay that. He had term for two years. The Sens don't even need to give up a prospect.
The Sens are on the come.
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Jingle.son and I have the last two games of the season for Buffalo - vs Canes and Sens. We are salivating at the thought that BOTH games could have playoff implications, especially the last one possibly being a win-and-you’re-in scenario.
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I'm now seeing that the Kings picked up a Sabres prospect goalie, Erik Portillo, for a 3rd round pick. I'm also seeing that Columbus may be flipping or already have flipped Quick to Vegas (which would add an additional level of suckitude to this).
On the other hand, as someone pointed out...
In both 2012 and 2014, the Kings made a deadline deal with Columbus and won the Cup. It's destiny! It's what they needed to do!
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The first time the Devils and Avs played it was a 1-0 nailbiter, so naturally their game last night at a 5-4 score halfway through the second :lol Still, a win's a win and Timo will hopefully be healthy enough to join us soon :hat
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OMFG. The Senators got Jacob Chychrun from the Coyotes for only a 1st round pick in 2023, a 2nd in 2024, and a 2nd in 2026. WTF, Blake? I would have loved the Kings to pay that. He had term for two years. The Sens don't even need to give up a prospect.
The Sens are on the come.
That trade never would have happened under Melnyk's watch. The Sens have entered the chat for sure.
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Hate to see the Red Wings selling, but it's the right move, and the return for Hronek (1st and 2nd in upcoming draft) was massive. Pretty much every grade I've seen has Detroit winning that trade. Bertuzzi going is rough, but considering his package included a 1st as well, don't hate it.
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Damn. The East playoff path is just fucking brutal.
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Pasta 8 years/$90M. Seems about right for him. Unsurprisingly, Hall on LTIR (until game 1 of the playoffs no doubt).
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Pasta 8 years/$90M. Seems about right for him. Unsurprisingly, Hall on LTIR (until game 1 of the playoffs no doubt).
He sucks.
Bummed about Hall, though.
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Pasta 8 years/$90M. Seems about right for him. Unsurprisingly, Hall on LTIR (until game 1 of the playoffs no doubt).
Nick Foligno out as well. Not sure how long he'll be out for.
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Looks like it's officially official. Per sources, Quick has been traded to the Golden Knights.
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1631367569595572224?s=20
People say Rob Blake makes conservatives moves. He just made a big move with huge ripples. Hope it's worth it. Kings needs to perform well or he and Marc Bergevin should be out of here.
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Looks like it's officially official. Per sources, Quick has been traded to the Golden Knights.
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1631367569595572224?s=20
People say Rob Blake makes conservatives moves. He just made a big move with huge ripples. Hope it's worth it. Kings needs to perform well or he and Marc Bergevin should be out of here.
I hope Edmonton wins the division, so it's LA/LV in round 1.
:burns:
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Looks like it's officially official. Per sources, Quick has been traded to the Golden Knights.
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1631367569595572224?s=20
People say Rob Blake makes conservatives moves. He just made a big move with huge ripples. Hope it's worth it. Kings needs to perform well or he and Marc Bergevin should be out of here.
I hope Edmonton wins the division, so it's LA/LV in round 1.
:burns:
Well...I don't think Quick will be starting for them, but I wouldn't mind avenging that embarrassment of a series from a few years ago.
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I also hope Edmonton wins the division, but that has nothing to do with 1st round match ups lol
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Goddammit! Next Thursday's game between the Bruins and Oilers is only on Hulu or ESPN+.
Fuck you NHL!
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Goddammit! Next Thursday's game between the Bruins and Oilers is only on Hulu or ESPN+.
Fuck you NHL!
Calm down……I’m sure Women’s USA vs Canada will be on for you to watch. :biggrin:
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Goddammit! Next Thursday's game between the Bruins and Oilers is only on Hulu or ESPN+.
Fuck you NHL!
The NHL makes it so difficult to watch these games then wonders why they can’t grow the sport.
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Goddammit! Next Thursday's game between the Bruins and Oilers is only on Hulu or ESPN+.
Fuck you NHL!
Calm down……I’m sure Women’s USA vs Canada will be on for you to watch. :biggrin:
:rollin
The NHL makes it so difficult to watch these games then wonders why they can’t grow the sport.
The league's best player's only visit to Boston and you can't watch the game. Unfuckingbelievable.
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Goddammit! Next Thursday's game between the Bruins and Oilers is only on Hulu or ESPN+.
Fuck you NHL!
The NHL makes it so difficult to watch these games then wonders why they can’t grow the sport.
It's not going to get any easier from here regarding the RSN situation. Half the league are having issues with their own regional sports network and there's no easy solution on how to get out of this. There will be pain and the cap is at risk to not increase at a rate GMs would rather prefer.
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Goddammit! Next Thursday's game between the Bruins and Oilers is only on Hulu or ESPN+.
Fuck you NHL!
The NHL makes it so difficult to watch these games then wonders why they can’t grow the sport.
It's not going to get any easier from here regarding the RSN situation. Half the league are having issues with their own regional sports network and there's no easy solution on how to get out of this. There will be pain and the cap is at risk to not increase at a rate GMs would rather prefer.
It's good to be Canadian. We don't get too many games of US-US teams, but then again, there aren't many of those that I care too much about. Watched the first 2 periods of the Sabres/Bruins tonight - glad I didn't watch the 3rd.
Nice to see Pitt prevent TB from getting 2 points, and then the Leafs grab a W when they played like ass for 40 minutes. I'd really like to see them curb-stomp the Canucks on Saturday.
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Yo, Nick. I'm reading that there was almost a deal made from the Red Wings getting James van Riemsdyk with the intention of the Wings flipping him elsewhere and the trade got nixed. The deadline has passed and sources say that the Flyers couldn't trade JVR in time. WTF? Isn't he a UFA?
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Chuck Fletcher GM'g like Chuck Fletcher.
What would've been an even bigger gaffe would've been if Anaheim didn't move Klingberg, and they almost didin't.
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Now that the dust has settled on the trade deadline, how do you feel your team fared?
As for the Oil, they didn't do much but it'll have an impact. This is how it boils down as an Oilers fan:
Jesse Puljujärvi - Out
Nick Bjugstad - In
They weren't traded for each other, but that's essentially where Bjugstad will slot in. This is an upgrade given how inconsistent Puljurarvi has been....pretty much his entire career.
Tyson Barrie - Out
Mathias Eckholm - In
This is a huge win for the Oilers. Eckholm should provide some much needed defensive play, especially compared to Barrie. We're losing some offense in this deal, but as the league's top offensive team it can certainly be spared.
Lastly, while not a trade, having Evander Kane come back from injury will be like adding a 30-40 goal scorer at the deadline. It's unfortunate he's missed most of the season with his wrist slitting injury, and the more recent rib injury. Assuming he can return anywhere near his usual form, this is a big addition for the stretch.
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Now that the dust has settled on the trade deadline, how do you feel your team fared?
I'm cool with the draft haul StL made by dealing their UFA's plus the pick up of Vrana and Kapanen. They still need to trade/dump one or two of these contracts they have on Defense though. I'd prefer it to be Krug but I can't see anyone touching that horrid contract. Paryako may be moveable this summer because for all his faults he can still be a good defensemen wheras Krug, Leddy and Scandella can't.
So...It'll be an interesting offseason for sure from a Blues fan perspective.
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***double post***
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Now that the dust has settled on the trade deadline, how do you feel your team fared?
Well, the Kings got rid of Brendan Lemieux (which was fine because he was more of a healthy scratch and was basically useless this season) and sent him to the Flyers and got another guy from the Flyers that looks to fill the role of s***disturber. Also made the usual AHL trades.
Other than that, they filled a needed void on LD and Gavrikov looked ok on yesterday's game despite not playing for two weeks since CBJ wanted to trade him earlier so they healthy scratched him for that long. Then comes trading Quick for Korpisalo and it's going to be a very polarizing move for the years to come regardless of end result. I will say this. As callous as the team handled the Quick matter, I will say Rob Blake has given the team the best chance to do well in the rest of the way and they should be rewarded as such. Four players on the Kings with 20+ goals and maybe two more gets added to the list at the end of the season. When's the last time you see that?
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I’m surprised there wasn’t anything more than an exchange of minor leaguers by Dubas. But they’ve got cap room to activate Murray, and have one league min contact on the roster as the 13th forward if any of the current 12 go down. But given their glut of defence men, and the fact they dressed 11-7 last night, I’m not concerned about where they are with the roster.
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Yo, Nick. I'm reading that there was almost a deal made from the Red Wings getting James van Riemsdyk with the intention of the Wings flipping him elsewhere and the trade got nixed. The deadline has passed and sources say that the Flyers couldn't trade JVR in time. WTF? Isn't he a UFA?
As Chad has already eluded to, the fact that JVR remains on the Flyers roster at this time is PEAK Chuck Fletcher, just unreal.
Flyers moved out Patrick Brown, Zack MacEwen, and Isaac Radcliffe (not NHL regular), for a 5th, 7th, and an expiring UFA with no expected impact in Lemieux.
Complete and utter incompetence from a team that should have been selling harder than half the other teams that did.
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Interestingly, my son went to Vegas yesterday to hang with a friend, and they're going to the VGK game tonight. I told him to say hi to Quick. I hope his performance for Vegas is just what it was for the Kings this season.
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One thing I’m also very happy about is that Tampa didn’t (couldn’t?) do anything more. There was a rumour they were trying to get Joel Edmundson.
Still Boston is going to be tough for anyone to get by. My only hope (if the Leafs get by Tampa) is that Boston has had everything go right for them for the past 60 games, and they flame out if anything starts to go sideways. It can happen. Just ask 2019 Tampa.
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One can hope Chad. :lol
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One of my rules of life …. Never deprive anyone of hope - it might be all they have.
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I think the second round Atlantic matchup should be the Cup winner.
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So this video from TSN has came up to my radar. James Duthie from TSN composed a song about creating a bad team and why it's worth it to get a guy like Connor Bedard at the draft. It's honestly a pretty catchy song. Good satire.
Bad for Bedard by James Duthie - Official Music Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2p5AIGP1g&ab_channel=TSN)
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They had a few good segments from trade deadline day x anticipating it was gonna be the slow news day that it was.
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Watching the Tampa-Carolina game today.
Tampa has FOUR SHOTS through 2 periods, with ZERO SHOTS in the 2nd!! :omg:
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Yeah, they're in a helluva funk atm. I'd rather that funk happened in mid April, but it's certainly helping the Leafs' chances for home-ice advantage.
It's incredibly frustrating to see teams bring out their A-game when the Leafs are on the ice. Where was that performance by last night's Edmonton team earlier this week? When did Vancouver look like 2011 Vancouver, and Demko looked like Bubble-Demko. Granted, in both instances the Leafs kinda shat themselves - last night they were very sloppy on the PP.
Hope ROR didn't break his hand!
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Hope ROR didn't break his hand!
Oh no!
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And Timo already has his first goal as a Devil :hat
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And that's why they play the games. Shit the bed against Vcr giving up 2 shorties on the same PP in the 3rd.
Travel across the country to take a road W in regular time by beating the #3 team in the league with 2 late goals - without RoR and Tavares. Samsonov was lights out - the game legitimately could've been 3-0 after 1 period with the kinds of chances the Devils had.
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Yeah, great game last night Chad. I mostly only got to watch the first period, definitely cursed Samsonov under my breath a few times :lol
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Yeah, great game last night Chad. I mostly only got to watch the first period, definitely cursed Samsonov under my breath a few times :lol
Based on the 1st period alone, you guys got goalie'd. He stole that victory.
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Today is going to be a very interesting day in the West.
Just a little over a week ago, the Kraken were in danger of losing the 4th place position in the Pacific.
Today, with Vegas and LA tied with 82 points and the Kraken 2 points back at 80, the games are:
Vegas on the road vs TB
LA on the road vs the Avalanche
and Seattle at home vs Ottawa
I’m predicting a 3-way tie before the day is out.
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Today is going to be a very interesting day in the West.
Just a little over a week ago, the Kraken were in danger of losing the 4th place position in the Pacific.
Today, with Vegas and LA tied with 82 points and the Kraken 2 points back at 80, the games are:
Vegas on the road vs TB
LA on the road vs the Avalanche
and Seattle at home vs Ottawa
I’m predicting a 3-way tie before the day is out.
I assume by 3-way tie you mean Vegas and LA tied for 1st, and Seattle and EDM tied for 3rd ;)
Boston will be a tough game tonight, but I think the Oil can get it done.
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Today is going to be a very interesting day in the West.
Just a little over a week ago, the Kraken were in danger of losing the 4th place position in the Pacific.
Today, with Vegas and LA tied with 82 points and the Kraken 2 points back at 80, the games are:
Vegas on the road vs TB
LA on the road vs the Avalanche
and Seattle at home vs Ottawa
I’m predicting a 3-way tie before the day is out.
You forgot Edmonton at Boston.
The worst part about this whole traffic jam is that Vegas and Seattle still have a game in hand on the Kings (and on Edmonton). It will even up by the end of the day on Monday but then fluctuate a bit. I've said before...the next month is going to be crazy.
PS: The RW and ROW numbers unfortunately favor Edmonton and Seattle. The Kings REALLY need not only to win but to do it in regulation.
For today: Go Kings. Go Bruins. Go Lightning. Go Sens.
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You forgot Edmonton at Boston.
I's still fucking pissed this isn't on TV tonight.
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Today is going to be a very interesting day in the West.
Just a little over a week ago, the Kraken were in danger of losing the 4th place position in the Pacific.
Today, with Vegas and LA tied with 82 points and the Kraken 2 points back at 80, the games are:
Vegas on the road vs TB
LA on the road vs the Avalanche
and Seattle at home vs Ottawa
I’m predicting a 3-way tie before the day is out.
I assume by 3-way tie you mean Vegas and LA tied for 1st, and Seattle and EDM tied for 3rd ;)
Boston will be a tough game tonight, but I think the Oil can get it done.
It'll be a good game, and Boston isn't always great after a break, but that's a game that the B's should win.
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that's a game that the B's should win.
I'll take things that could be said about every game the Bruins play from here on out for $400, Alex.
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Last game in Edmonton was a tough game. I expect the same.
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You forgot Edmonton at Boston.
I's still fucking pissed this isn't on TV tonight.
There's surely a women's game on somewhere! ;) :D :P
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You forgot Edmonton at Boston.
I's still fucking pissed this isn't on TV tonight.
There's surely a women's game on somewhere! ;) :D :P
You pig!
NHL Network has NHL Tonight on all night, so I can only hope we get a few live look ins.
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So much for my prediction.
Now we have to win just to pull even. :facepalm:
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Or worse and we could completely blow it against the FREAKING SENATORS!! :facepalm:
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Grand evening all around. Loved seeing the Oil with a 3rd period comeback. And then Tampa doesn’t get two points.
And holy shit Buffalo. Eric Comrie is an awful goalie.
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I hate this day so far when it comes to rooting against other teams. The Bolts had no issues getting through Quick the last time he faced them back in January, having a .800 save percentage. Today, he had a .919 with the Golden Knights and won? I feel ripped off. Bruins blowing a two goal lead against the Oilers makes me mad as well. McDavid wasn't even on the board as well. The Sens also is currently in the process of blowing a three goal lead against the Kraken as well.
At least, the Kings won nice and decisively against the Avs. Good gravy, guys like MacKinnon and Makar is doing whatever they can, doing everything so fluidly offensively. Thankfully, the Kings had good coverage for the most part and got some well-timed goals and Korpisalo had to be steady and calm and he did.
Edit: Well, the Sens almost really blow it, but they were able to come back from behind and win in regulation and they need that win as well to keep thinking they have a chance.
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Last game in Edmonton was a tough game. I expect the same.
It was a brutal end to that game. They played pretty well to start, and pretty much held McDavid to reality, but they just got SO sloppy. Too many turnovers in the neutral zone, and too many point-blank shots on Swayman. He didn't play badly, it's just that they didn't do a great job of shutting down their own blue line.
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Well, the Flyers are now only 3-4 years from potentially being reasonably good!
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Long overdue. The pedigree of his dad certainly wasn't something he inherited.
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Just wanted to pop in and say ‘hi’. Not a lot to talk about from a Blues fan perspective. Disappointing season, but…..optimistic about some of the pick ups they made and think that there is still a trade or two that will happen this summer for this ‘retooling’ to take hold.
But it’s been fun to watch all your teams…..looking forward to the playoffs to see how this all shakes out.
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In one regard, I envy you that you can just watch the playoffs for the enjoyment of the game, and none of the stress.
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Glad to see the Devils back in the W column last night. Ideally the game wouldn't have gone to OT as we massively outshot Washington, particularly late, but Timo managed to win it for us in the shootout (after almost costing us the game by taking a penalty late in OT).
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In one regard, I envy you that you can just watch the playoffs for the enjoyment of the game, and none of the stress.
Yeah…..one of the cool things with my youngest son being a hockey nut is we always have a game on and are watching…….doesn’t even have to be the Blues. So, just watching and enjoying hockey with him is something to look forward to for sure.
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Sucks that Tampa and Boston yacked their leads away. I saw a blurb on the screen while watching the Kings game that it was the first time this year the Bruins had lost after having a 2-goal lead (or something like that). Thank you Ottawa, and at least the Vegas win wasn't in regulation.
The Kings played great. If they keep that up, they CAN beat anyone. I've also been really impressed with what I've seen from Gavrikov in the three (or is it four?) games since the trade. Korpisalo had looked solid as well, but I'm still worried that turning this into a 1a, 1b situation in goal will adversely affect Copley.
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Sucks that Tampa and Boston yacked their leads away. I saw a blurb on the screen while watching the Kings game that it was the first time this year the Bruins had lost after having a 2-goal lead (or something like that). Thank you Ottawa, and at least the Vegas win wasn't in regulation.
The Kings played great. If they keep that up, they CAN beat anyone. I've also been really impressed with what I've seen from Gavrikov in the three (or is it four?) games since the trade. Korpisalo had looked solid as well, but I'm still worried that turning this into a 1a, 1b situation in goal will adversely affect Copley.
They were something like 35-0-3 when leading by two. I would have settled for taking it to OT, get the point, but no dice.
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It was an awesome day of hockey for jingle.son and I. First, we had tix for the Sabres/Rangers game. Went early to get some wings and beers, and had to hit 3 different bars before it wasn't an hour + wait for a table - despite the fact we were there 2.5 hours before the 5pm puck drop. Holy shit, the arena was at least 40% Rangers fans (probably over 50% in the lower bowl and the end of the rink where are seats are. What a great game. 1st period was a little slow, but the Sabres were playing great, and if not for some 5-bell saves by Igor (and an offside on a gaff by Igor trying to clear the puck up the middle of the rink - putting it right to a Sabres player who snapped it into a wide open net), the Sabres could've pulled of the W. But alas, a deflection off Owen Power's skate was the only goal they got, then a very soft (imo) hooking penalty in OT to give them the PP. Funny story, we're sitting in our seats, and some guy comes and tells us he has our seat (#18). I ask him if he's sure it's this row, because our seats are season's tickets. I start to pull out my phone to show him, and he's "oh, yeah ... we have #20". I do a double take... "hey, weren't you two sitting RIGHT BESIDE US AT THE BAR!?!?!?" Literally, this couple was in the table directly beside us for a couple of hours. What are the fucking odds of that!?
Then, we recorded the Leafs/Oil game, and man was that a fun watch. The big boys came to play, and Marner had what will surely be a Top 10 Goal of the Year, maybe Top 5 - https://youtu.be/yRbx9pfDadI?t=193. 2 more goals in the next 3 minutes and 4 in the 2nd overall, then held the line in the 3rd for a nice victory. Murray was a little shakey - though he made some big saves when he needed to. Overall very good team effort got the job done. Both Matthews and Tavares hitting the 30-goal mark .... 7th straight season for Matthews.
Hope Stamkos' injury isn't too bad.
P.S. Dropped 3 large on a Tage Thompson jersey.
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That sounds like an excellent day (minus the Ranger fans ruining all the bars :lol). Devils picked up a straightforward enough win in Montreal last night, tonight's the big game though. If we can beat Carolina in regulation tonight we'd be tied in points for the Metro division, though they'll have a game in hand on us. Should be a great game.
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What an awesome time Chad!
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Biggest game of the year and the Devils came through in spades. It was great to see their best players step up in particular (Hughes with 3 points, Bratt with a couple goals and Vitek securing the shutout), but the whole team played with great discipline all night.
Interesting week coming up as, due to a schedule quirk, we play all three of our games this season against Tampa in the next seven days. Tampa plays in NJ Tuesday and Thursday and then we have a Florida road back to back this weekend with the Panthers on Saturday and Lightning on Sunday.
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P.S. Dropped 3 large on a Tage Thompson jersey.
So I have an old(er) Islanders Fisherman jersey that I never wear. I have an older CCM Bruins jersey that has no name/number. I'm thinking of dealing both - I think can get over $100 apiece for both - and turning it into a new Bruins jersey. The debate begins, though: who. Bergeron and Marchand are the most common. I refuse to get Pastrnak (he sucks).
McAvoy is a contender, as is Zacha (I'm part Czech, so there's that). I really like Orlov, but I'd really like to know there's a long term commitment from him and/or the team before I commit to the two bills for a jersey with his name on it.
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Can I just say that I’m amazed at how shockingly fast things can go from “a dogfight for first” to “might not even get an 8 seed” in the final 15-20 games?
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Can I just say that I’m amazed at how shockingly fast things can go from “a dogfight for first” to “might not even get an 8 seed” in the final 15-20 games?
The gap between the 4th and 5th place teams in the Pacific and Central is relatively large. The likelihood that either Calgary or Nashville moves up is pretty slim (although Nashville has a bunch of games in hand). Absent a big collapse, I think it's a matter of positioning from here on out.
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Can I just say that I’m amazed at how shockingly fast things can go from “a dogfight for first” to “might not even get an 8 seed” in the final 15-20 games?
The gap between the 4th and 5th place teams in the Pacific and Central is relatively large. The likelihood that either Calgary or Nashville moves up is pretty slim (although Nashville has a bunch of games in hand). Absent a big collapse, I think it's a matter of positioning from here on out.
Agreed. Anything can still happen, but I think the top 8 are basically set. I'm surprised at how much Vegas has surged over the last 20 or so games. They look like a team that really wants to win the conference. They'll be a force in the playoffs
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The East playoff situation seems to be starting to solidify as well. FLA/Ott/Buf are sill in the hunt, and the Caps aren't totally out of it either, but the Isles and Pens have done an admirable job at keeping them all at bay (Buff and Ott have had a few bad runs of games that have hurt their push).
Could be just three things in question
2-3 seeding in Atlantic
1-2 seeding in Metro
7-8 seeding for WC, and who's going to be the sacrificial lamb to Boston
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Hard for me to say about the east, but it seems like:
ATLANTIC
1. Boston
2/3. Toronto/TBL
METRO
1/2. Carolina/NJD
3. NYR
WC. Pittsburgh/NYI/Florida
Florida has a game in hand on the Islanders, and Pittsburgh's in the best position with a 5 point lead and a game in hand on Florida and two on the Islanders.
CENTRAL
1-3. Dallas/Minn./Colorado
PACIFIC
1/2. VGK/Kings
3/4. Seattle/Edmonton
WC: Seattle/Edmonton/Winnipeg
Only 8 points separate Dallas from Winnipeg. Colorado is 7 points behind Dallas but has two games in hand on the other three top teams, so I think the 1-3 spots are really up for grabs. Calgary and Nashville are still in the hunt, and Nashville in particular is 7-2-1 in its last 10.
And I'm sure a week from now, everything will be bass ackwards.
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What do you all think of Dallas' chances over all? Are they a Cup contender?
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What do you all think of Dallas' chances over all? Are they a Cup contender?
I haven't paid a ton of attention to the Stars other than their games against the Kings (the Stars are 1-2 in those games). They're solid.
According to Draft Kings, these are the current odds to win the Cup (I have no idea what the numbers mean):
- Boston +400
- Colorado +700 (talk about a defending champ's boost not being justified by the current record)
- Carolina +750
- Toronto +900
- New Jersey +1200
- Edmonton +1300 (the McDavid boost at work here)
- NY Rangers +1300
- Tampa +1400
- Vegas +1400
- Dallas +1500
- Minnesota + 2000
- Kings +3000
- Winnipeg +3200
- Pittsburgh +3500
- Seattle +4000
Based on what I've seen, Boston, Carolina and New Jersey are well ahead of everyone else, with Vegas being annoyingly best in the west but absolutely beatable. I would say there's probably a 90+% chance of Boston, Carolina or New Jersey winning the east, and any of those teams would be a huge favorite to beat anyone from the west. That said, remember 2012?
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For the Stars? They got some quality pieces that can set them for a good run. Benn and Seguin (their top earners) looks to have regain some form after some rough seasons after the cup final run in 2020. Joe Pavelski still looks like a solid player and leader, and much like Bergeron, age hasn't seemed to have affected his playing ability as drastically as other players. Roope Hintz seems to be a player that probably falls under most people's radar, but he's a very valuable player that's locked in with the Stars for a while. Jason Robertson looks to be the main, uhhhh, star for this Stars team. Their top goal scorer and I root for the guy's success as well since he's half-Filipino and he grew up in Arcadia, California where him, his brother Nick whose in the Leafs system and their family were Kings fans growing up.
On top of that, they got Jake Oettinger as their goalie and he damn nearly stole a series last year against the Flames and another young solid defenseman, Miro Heiskanen, whose also here for the long run. They also got Peter DeBoer as their head coach and he's usually good for either one conference finals or Stanley Cup finals run (like he did with Devils, Sharks, and Golden Knights) before things start going south in his approaches. Stars could unnoticeably go on a deep run with this group.
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I saw them handle the Avalanche in Dallas last week and was pretty impressed. They didn't play as well against the Bruins last time (though Robertson is a beast; I just wonder how much "Pastrnak" he has in him). Heiskanen looked really good, as did Jani Hakanpää.
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So... Carolina's path just got a little tougher, with Svechnikov out for the season. :tdwn
And the Avs lose Lehkonen as well - man they've been hit hard with injuries.
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So... Carolina's path just got a little tougher, with Svechnikov out for the season. :tdwn
Ouch.
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Can I just say that I’m amazed at how shockingly fast things can go from “a dogfight for first” to “might not even get an 8 seed” in the final 15-20 games?
I know having an NHL team is still kinda new to you ;), so I will give ya the lowdown: seeding and home ice doesn't really mean a whole lot once the NHL playoffs start.
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Can I just say that I’m amazed at how shockingly fast things can go from “a dogfight for first” to “might not even get an 8 seed” in the final 15-20 games?
I know having an NHL team is still kinda new to you ;), so I will give ya the lowdown: seeding and home ice doesn't really mean a whole lot once the NHL playoffs start.
:rollin
OK then. I guess I will stop worrying.
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Can I just say that I’m amazed at how shockingly fast things can go from “a dogfight for first” to “might not even get an 8 seed” in the final 15-20 games?
I know having an NHL team is still kinda new to you ;), so I will give ya the lowdown: seeding and home ice doesn't really mean a whole lot once the NHL playoffs start.
Tell that to the team that lands Boston in the 1st round
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Can I just say that I’m amazed at how shockingly fast things can go from “a dogfight for first” to “might not even get an 8 seed” in the final 15-20 games?
I know having an NHL team is still kinda new to you ;), so I will give ya the lowdown: seeding and home ice doesn't really mean a whole lot once the NHL playoffs start.
Tell that to the team that lands Boston in the 1st round
Fun fact (per nhl.com article this morning):
Of the eight teams since 1995-96 to clinch a playoff berth in 68 games or fewer, two won the Stanley Cup: the 1998-99 Dallas Stars (63 games) and the 2001-02 Detroit Red Wings (66 games). The 1995-96 Red Wings, who clinched in 59 games (fewest since 1995-96), were among the six teams from that group who didn't win the Cup, losing the Western Conference Final. The 2018-19 Tampa Bay Lightning, who share the regular season wins record with the 1995-96 Red Wings, clinched a playoff berth in 68 games and lost in the first round of the playoffs, so clinching early guarantees little.
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For the record, the Bruins have hit a WALL!
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Recent Cup winners:
2022 Avs: finished 2nd in points
2021 Lightning: finished tied for 8th in points
2020 Lightning: finished tied for 3rd in points
2019 Blues: finished tied for 10th in points
2018 Capitals: finished tied for 6th in points
2017 Penguins: finished 2nd in points
2016 Penguins: finished 4th in points
2015 Hawks: finished 7th in points
2014 Kings: finished tied for 9th in points
2013 Hawks: finished 1st in points
2012 Kings: finished 13th in points
2011 Bruins: finished tied for 7th in points
Moral of the story is that you can win the Cup these days from any seeding, you just have to get in. The only caveat is that you can't win it if you play your home games in Toronto.
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For the record, the Bruins have hit a WALL!
One loss to the Blackhawks is not a wall.
Yet.
But, and I've been saying this for months, I have this nagging feeling (perhaps it's hope), that this year's Bruins smell a lot like the '19 Bolts, and last year's Panthers. They've cruised thru the regular season, and routinely ended up on the right side of some very close games. Sure, it's largely due to the coaching, skill, and execution... but there's also a measure of good fortune in that as well. And when one crack starts to show, it can easily and quickly spread. I'll never forget Cooper's quote after getting swept by CBJ - "We couldn't find our game. It's that clear. For six days in April, we couldn't find it," Their special teams sucked, Vasilevsky couldn't stop a beach ball, they ran into a hot goalie, and it all fell apart.
It can happen to the best of teams.
The only caveat is that you can't win it if you play your home games in Toronto.
Jesus... right in the nads man. What did I ever do to you? :D
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All in good fun.
I think Cooper is dressing up their sweep in 2019 to Columbus a bit. They were on their game in Game 1. They had a 3-0 lead and then the Blue Jackets made a wild comeback and stole the game 4-3. The Lightning never recovered from that. The team as a whole look glazed over that entire series after that. Proof of how strong momentum can be in sports.
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For the record, the Bruins have hit a WALL!
One loss to the Blackhawks is not a wall.
Yet.
Well, after sweeping their 4 game Western swing, they had 4 days off.
Since then, they lost to Edmonton (and played shitty)
Split a home and home with Detroit (and played shitty in both games)
Lost to Chicago (and played shitty)
Bergeron looks tired. Why is he not getting rest? There was no need for him to play B2B this weekend. Infact, the B's have B2Bs every weekend for the rest of the year pretty much.
Pasta has been a mess since he signed his contract.
Swayman has come back down to earth. Ullmark didn't have a great game last night, but was the only reason they beat Detroit on Saturday.
They miss Foligno and Hall.
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Agreed Tim. There are BTB the rest of the way. Rest Bergy and Krejci one game each of the BTB games.
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All in good fun.
I think Cooper is dressing up their sweep in 2019 to Columbus a bit. They were on their game in Game 1. They had a 3-0 lead and then the Blue Jackets made a wild comeback and stole the game 4-3. The Lightning never recovered from that. The team as a whole look glazed over that entire series after that. Proof of how strong momentum can be in sports.
I think you and Coop both have a point. Yes, partway thru the 1st (iirc), the Bolts looked like they were cruising just as they had been for the 82 games before that. Then something clicked with Bobs, and he was a brick fucking wall. They only scored 5 goals after that. The Bolts were the bully of the NHL all season, they got punched back, and then crumbled like a cheap pair of pants. You say they never recovered (you're right), but why did they never recover?? They got the yips, hadn't played any TRULY meaningful games in months, and couldn't pull it back together when it was needed most. The aren't the first team to suffer that fate*, and they won't be the last.
*Florida last year was about 3 inches from losing Game 6 against the Caps in Round 1 (Caps barely missed an EN goal to ice that game). If they don't tie and win that game in OT, and who knows what happens in Game 7.
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For the record, the Bruins have hit a WALL!
One loss to the Blackhawks is not a wall.
Yet.
Well, after sweeping their 4 game Western swing, they had 4 days off.
Since then, they lost to Edmonton (and played shitty)
Split a home and home with Detroit (and played shitty in both games)
Lost to Chicago (and played shitty)
Bergeron looks tired. Why is he not getting rest? There was no need for him to play B2B this weekend. Infact, the B's have B2Bs every weekend for the rest of the year pretty much.
Pasta has been a mess since he signed his contract.
Swayman has come back down to earth. Ullmark didn't have a great game last night, but was the only reason they beat Detroit on Saturday.
They miss Foligno and Hall.
Foligno. He's the guy. He has this knack for delivering a solid, hard-working shift exactly when they need it most. He's great in the locker room too.
I think Orlov was a good pickup, as was Hathaway. I think Bertuzzi has sort of messed up the rhythm a bit. I think they're getting too cute with the puck. I've seen more turnovers between the blue lines in these last four games than in the first four months of the season. Bergeron said it best: "we're cheating". Instead of taking the body, playing the man, they're getting cute and trying to sweep the puck away. And it's not working.
And I've said it here before: Pastrnak sucks. He fanned on the penalty shot and he turns the puck over BADLY too many times a game. I'd be happy to trade him for a 30 goal scorer with some size.
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Right now the coach is experimenting with lines while he has the opportunity which seems to add to the poor play.
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Right now the coach is experimenting with lines while he has the opportunity which seems to add to the poor play.
Yeah, Keefe has been doing the same. Since RoR's injury, he's been going with an 11-7 lineup. Now is the time to experiment and tinker - not the middle of April.
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Right now the coach is experimenting with lines while he has the opportunity which seems to add to the poor play.
Yeah, Keefe has been doing the same. Since RoR's injury, he's been going with an 11-7 lineup. Now is the time to experiment and tinker - not the middle of April.
Makes sense. I just hope they don't go flat going into the playoffs.
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All in good fun.
I think Cooper is dressing up their sweep in 2019 to Columbus a bit. They were on their game in Game 1. They had a 3-0 lead and then the Blue Jackets made a wild comeback and stole the game 4-3. The Lightning never recovered from that. The team as a whole look glazed over that entire series after that. Proof of how strong momentum can be in sports.
I think you and Coop both have a point. Yes, partway thru the 1st (iirc), the Bolts looked like they were cruising just as they had been for the 82 games before that. Then something clicked with Bobs, and he was a brick fucking wall. They only scored 5 goals after that. The Bolts were the bully of the NHL all season, they got punched back, and then crumbled like a cheap pair of pants. You say they never recovered (you're right), but why did they never recover?? They got the yips, hadn't played any TRULY meaningful games in months, and couldn't pull it back together when it was needed most. The aren't the first team to suffer that fate*, and they won't be the last.
*Florida last year was about 3 inches from losing Game 6 against the Caps in Round 1 (Caps barely missed an EN goal to ice that game). If they don't tie and win that game in OT, and who knows what happens in Game 7.
It's amazing how games and series can turn on a dime in the SC playoffs.
I will use the 2019 Blues as an example (because it's the most ingrained in my head):
Game 5 of the 3rd round against the Sharks. Series tied 2-2, and the Blues won Game 5 5-0 in San Jose. And what is wild is that the Sharks hit the post literally in the first 10 seconds of the game. If that goes in, who knows how the rest of the game goes.
Game 7 against the Bruins. The Blues played like they didn't give a crap for the first 10-15 minutes of the game, but Binnington stood on his head and kept it at 0-0 until ROR scored on a wicked deflection and the game flipped; the Blues were a totally different team for the rest of the game. I shudder to think how that game plays out if the Bruins get a goal or two early while the Blues were looking for ways to remove their heads from their asses.
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^ That's how I felt about the Devils game last night even. I was worried about them coming out flat after winning their biggest game of the regular season against Carolina Sunday night. They came out looking great though, picked up an early 1-0 lead and hit a couple more posts in the first 10 minutes. Then their apparent second goal was overturned due to a (very questionable in my unbiased opinion :lol ) goaltender interference call. That seemed to just suck the life out of them. They let Tampa score a SHG a few minutes later to tie the game at 1 and eventually lost 4-1.
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Recent Cup winners:
2022 Avs: finished 2nd in points
2021 Lightning: finished tied for 8th in points
2020 Lightning: finished tied for 3rd in points
2019 Blues: finished tied for 10th in points
2018 Capitals: finished tied for 6th in points
2017 Penguins: finished 2nd in points
2016 Penguins: finished 4th in points
2015 Hawks: finished 7th in points
2014 Kings: finished tied for 9th in points
2013 Hawks: finished 1st in points
2012 Kings: finished 13th in points
2011 Bruins: finished tied for 7th in points
Moral of the story is that you can win the Cup these days from any seeding, you just have to get in. The only caveat is that you can't win it if you play your home games in Toronto.
Yup. In the 37 year history of the President's Trophy (it was first awarded to the 1985-86 Oilers), only 8 of 36 winners have won the Stanley Cup, and only 2 President's Trophy winners have won the Cup over the last 20 years.
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That President's Trophy did turn out to be quite meaningless to achieve after the Bolts won it in 2019 and then got swept by the Blue Jackets in first round. The trophy was also deemed more meaningless when the Bolts (who learned from that experience to better pace themselves in the regular season and not care as much to win regular season trophies) proceeded to swept the Florida Panthers in the 2nd round. Funny thing about momentum. If the Bolts lost game one against the Blue Jackets in the 2020 bubble after Korpisalo made like 80+ saves in the span of 8 periods, I don't think they would win the cup in the bubble that year.
That being said, the Bruins are a team in which most of the group knows what it takes to go deep and win playoff rounds, smooth and steady. Sure, things look a bit rough in the last week, but they will be ready as they will be come playoffs. That said, if they draw the Islanders, I don't know. Sorokin could stonewall them out of the playoffs in round 1. Could happen. Ullmark could go from Vezina Candidate to swiss cheese if certain things happen. Look at Markstrom. That guy never really recovered from all of those goals he let in against the Oilers, last playoffs.
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Goaltending is such a fickle thing. Campbell never recovered from being embarrassed in the All-Star Game last year. I think being an All-Star goalie is a bloody curse. No one can succeed in that situation - unless success is defined as only letting in 5 goals on 12 shots in 10 minutes.
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The beauty of the Bruins is that they arguably have two number one's in goal. I get it; both could go cold, but look, this is why you play the games. The B's have as good a shot as any to be "three out of nine" or whatever.
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New moral of the story: enjoy regular season wins! I remember some of those years where Hitchcock was the Blues coach where I told several friends that I went to every game just assuming the Blues were gonna win. That is how good those teams were in Games 1-82. The playoffs were another matter, but stopping to smell the roses and enjoying regular season success is something we should all do, except for fans of the Red Wings and Blackhawks. Fans of those teams deserve to see their teams get thrashed regularly. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Then all of a sudden, Quick (who had like the worst save % in the league) was traded twice and eventually landing on a team that has a better tight defense structure than the Kings did and it's no wonder he has won four games so far with a good save %. People that doesn't watch West Coast games can be shocked about that, but I knew it was going to happen. I just hate that it's keeping the Golden Knights staying on the course for 1st in the West.
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New moral of the story: enjoy regular season wins! I remember some of those years where Hitchcock was the Blues coach where I told several friends that I went to every game just assuming the Blues were gonna win. That is how good those teams were in Games 1-82. The playoffs were another matter, but stopping to smell the roses and enjoying regular season success is something we should all do, except for fans of the Red Wings and Blackhawks. Fans of those teams deserve to see their teams get thrashed regularly. :biggrin: :biggrin:
You know, this is wisdom. I'll certainly be disappointed if the B's don't go deep in the playoffs, but my step son and daughter and I have had so much fun this season, bonding over the team and the players. We all went to the Winter Classic together, made some memories (my daughter almost got into a fight with the fiancé of one of the players) and had a great time. My step son and I watch almost every game, and it's fun. You can't buy that kind of atmosphere.
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That President's Trophy did turn out to be quite meaningless to achieve after the Bolts won it in 2019 and then got swept by the Blue Jackets in first round.
Interestingly, the Pres Trophy winner has lost in the first round (although only once in a sweep) almost as many times as it has won the Cup (7 to 8). The Canucks are the only team to have won multiple Pres Trophies but never win the Cup.
Then all of a sudden, Quick (who had like the worst save % in the league) was traded twice and eventually landing on a team that has a better tight defense structure than the Kings did and it's no wonder he has won four games so far with a good save %. People that doesn't watch West Coast games can be shocked about that, but I knew it was going to happen. I just hate that it's keeping the Golden Knights staying on the course for 1st in the West.
And, at the same time, the same Kings defense that played like poop in front of Quick has played well enough in front of Korpisalo for him to be undefeated since joining the Kings. Part of me wants the Kings to face Vegas in the playoffs and part really doesn't.
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Great defensive effort by the Leafs last night - the only goals were an own-deflection of a d-man's skate, and the shootout winner (which looked like a bit of a flub/fluke by MacKinnon - but they all count). Too bad the offense couldn't find a way to get more than 20 shots. The Avs shut them down pretty good, but the Leafs looked a little sloppy as well.
Oh, and Binnington is a such an ass-clown. Go join the WWE already. You leak like a sieve, and then fabricate a reason to get in a fight. Like Berube said ... do your job and stop the fucking puck.
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I detest Binnington. He’s a Fn baby. Slides 15 foot out of the crease after letting in another soft goal and gets his feelings hurt because he got bumped. He’s a POS…..that unfortunately I’m stuck watching for the foreseeable future.
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Wow...I just saw that highlight. They damn well better have ejected him after ejecting Pheonix Copley a couple weeks ago for a much less egregious blocker hit. I love that Fleury came down the ice to fight him. And I saw a video with Darren Pang urging the linesmen to let Binnington and Fleury go. :lol
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Wow...I just saw that highlight. They damn well better have ejected him after ejecting Pheonix Copley a couple weeks ago for a much less egregious blocker hit. I love that Fleury came down the ice to fight him. And I saw a video with Darren Pang urging the linesmen to let Binnington and Fleury go. :lol
Goalie fights rule.
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And I saw a video with Darren Pang urging the linesmen to let Binnington and Fleury go. :lol
I wish they would have so Fleury could have put Binnington over his knee and spanked him like the child he is. Would have loved to see Binnington get embarrassed on home ice.
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Wow...I just saw that highlight. They damn well better have ejected him after ejecting Pheonix Copley a couple weeks ago for a much less egregious blocker hit. I love that Fleury came down the ice to fight him. And I saw a video with Darren Pang urging the linesmen to let Binnington and Fleury go. :lol
Goalie fights rule.
Ron Hextall vs Chelios = my fave memory.
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Wow...I just saw that highlight. They damn well better have ejected him after ejecting Pheonix Copley a couple weeks ago for a much less egregious blocker hit. I love that Fleury came down the ice to fight him. And I saw a video with Darren Pang urging the linesmen to let Binnington and Fleury go. :lol
Goalie fights rule.
I’ll just leave this here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yYZYZ9hMeE)
And this. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeF5XF8jxkQ)
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man, I forgot how much of a goon Roy was! :lol
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Great .... now I'm going down a rathole - Top 10 Goalie fights (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShLRNCW-3DE)
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If you're going to go down a hole, it might as well be that.
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Having MAF mic'ed up for this game makes this whole thing even better when he came out to want to fight Binnington.
https://twitter.com/mnwild/status/1636450654615904268
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Having MAF mic'ed up for this game makes this whole thing even better when he came out to want to fight Binnington.
https://twitter.com/mnwild/status/1636450654615904268
That's awesome! "It'll be fun, no?"
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Having MAF mic'ed up for this game makes this whole thing even better when he came out to want to fight Binnington.
https://twitter.com/mnwild/status/1636450654615904268
That's awesome! "It'll be fun, no?"
Fantastic!
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That was hilarious
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"I don't like having my hair like this" :rollin
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To demonstrate where I am on Binnington these days, a couple of people were talking about this at work today, and one, who didn't see the game, heard about it what happened and asked, "Why did he do that?" And I just retorted, "Because he's an asshole." My fellow hockey fan kinda gave that "well, yeah" head nod.
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jingle.son said to me yesterday "winning the cup was the worst thing that happened to his career".... in that he now has the biggest ego of any goalie (maybe any player) in the league, and still thinks he's an elite goalie who's 'all that', when in reality, he'd be playing in the minors if not for his huge contract. I wonder when the math to buy him out makes it feasible?
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The Boston sports fans can answer, but is Kevin Wildes (who is a Boston guy) not a hockey fan?
I caught the blurb on First Things First where they showed that Binnington dustup (they usually never show hockey stuff, but two goalies almost fighting got it 20 seconds of air time), and Wildes ended it with, "the goalie's name is Binnington," like he was some no-name he had never heard of, but, and I don't say this to be a wise ass (honest), I would think any Bruins fans will never forget who he is after the 2019 finish. It seemed weird that Wildes talked about him like it was the first time he had heard of him.
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Great game against Tampa last night, despite the outcome. Back and forth all night, big penalty kills and momentum swings on both sides and we got some bonus hockey thanks to a couple Timo Meier goals. Glad we at least got one point and I think these games against a veteran Tampa team will be good for the Devils to get a sense of what a successful playoff team plays like.
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The Boston sports fans can answer, but is Kevin Wildes (who is a Boston guy) not a hockey fan?
I caught the blurb on First Things First where they showed that Binnington dustup (they usually never show hockey stuff, but two goalies almost fighting got it 20 seconds of air time), and Wildes ended it with, "the goalie's name is Binnington," like he was some no-name he had never heard of, but, and I don't say this to be a wise ass (honest), I would think any Bruins fans will never forget who he is after the 2019 finish. It seemed weird that Wildes talked about him like it was the first time he had heard of him.
He's from Connecticut but was never on local sport shows. I think is was originally on ESPN.
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The Boston sports fans can answer, but is Kevin Wildes (who is a Boston guy) not a hockey fan?
I caught the blurb on First Things First where they showed that Binnington dustup (they usually never show hockey stuff, but two goalies almost fighting got it 20 seconds of air time), and Wildes ended it with, "the goalie's name is Binnington," like he was some no-name he had never heard of, but, and I don't say this to be a wise ass (honest), I would think any Bruins fans will never forget who he is after the 2019 finish. It seemed weird that Wildes talked about him like it was the first time he had heard of him.
Isn't the NHL an afterthought in the US media? I've seen ESPN run early season MLB and NBA regular season highlights ahead of NHL playoff hockey. In many markets, college sports get more coverage than hockey. I've never watched First Things First, but i wouldn't be surprised if someone told me that was the first hockey they'd ever seen.
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The Boston sports fans can answer, but is Kevin Wildes (who is a Boston guy) not a hockey fan?
I caught the blurb on First Things First where they showed that Binnington dustup (they usually never show hockey stuff, but two goalies almost fighting got it 20 seconds of air time), and Wildes ended it with, "the goalie's name is Binnington," like he was some no-name he had never heard of, but, and I don't say this to be a wise ass (honest), I would think any Bruins fans will never forget who he is after the 2019 finish. It seemed weird that Wildes talked about him like it was the first time he had heard of him.
I've never heard of Wildes.
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Hmmm, okay. First Things First is the only national sports shows I can watch, and when I say that, I mean I can watch a few daily clips on topics I want to hear talked about. Broussard is okay, but Wildes and Nick Wright are both highly entertaining, and the chemistry between them all is pretty dynamite. And, no, they never talk hockey. :(
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They playfully poke at each other all the time. I like the banter.
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Never heard of him.
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Never heard of him.
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The Boston sports fans can answer, but is Kevin Wildes (who is a Boston guy) not a hockey fan?
I caught the blurb on First Things First where they showed that Binnington dustup (they usually never show hockey stuff, but two goalies almost fighting got it 20 seconds of air time), and Wildes ended it with, "the goalie's name is Binnington," like he was some no-name he had never heard of, but, and I don't say this to be a wise ass (honest), I would think any Bruins fans will never forget who he is after the 2019 finish. It seemed weird that Wildes talked about him like it was the first time he had heard of him.
Isn't the NHL an afterthought in the US media? I've seen ESPN run early season MLB and NBA regular season highlights ahead of NHL playoff hockey. In many markets, college sports get more coverage than hockey. I've never watched First Things First, but i wouldn't be surprised if someone told me that was the first hockey they'd ever seen.
It pretty much is an afterthought here. I remember some people being a little miffed about a discussion on an ESPN segment where they were talking about NYC teams on whose the closest to winning a championship while disregarding the Rangers for whatever reasons (even though they are the highest valued team, when it comes to net worth, in the league and probably the most recognizable team in mainstream eyes. It's them or the Bs.).
Not that I care much. Here in Southern California and the LA areas, the Kings are roughly, at best, the 6th most talked team here after Dodgers, Lakers, Rams, USC/UCLA teams and the MLS teams may overtake them at some point. Not that I mind though. I like where the Kings are at right now and don't care if anyone talks about them. It's better than being the Lakers, whose always being talked about, and not fulfilling high expectations.
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The Boston sports fans can answer, but is Kevin Wildes (who is a Boston guy) not a hockey fan?
I caught the blurb on First Things First where they showed that Binnington dustup (they usually never show hockey stuff, but two goalies almost fighting got it 20 seconds of air time), and Wildes ended it with, "the goalie's name is Binnington," like he was some no-name he had never heard of, but, and I don't say this to be a wise ass (honest), I would think any Bruins fans will never forget who he is after the 2019 finish. It seemed weird that Wildes talked about him like it was the first time he had heard of him.
Isn't the NHL an afterthought in the US media? I've seen ESPN run early season MLB and NBA regular season highlights ahead of NHL playoff hockey. In many markets, college sports get more coverage than hockey. I've never watched First Things First, but i wouldn't be surprised if someone told me that was the first hockey they'd ever seen.
Add me to the list of people who've never heard of Kevin Wildes.
And yes, for the most part, the NHL is an afterthought for national media. From roughly July through February, the NFL is King. The NBA takes the lead as soon as the Super Bowl is done until the NBA finals, except for the NFL's annual paint-drying festival (i.e., the draft and the interminable speculation leading up to it). Minor league (err....college) football gets a bit of a spike in early January, and baseball gets a spike when it's playoff time and for a few weeks between the end of the NBA finals and the start of NFL preseason. Even the Stanley Cup final won't move the needle nationally unless one of the "special" teams is playing. Local and regional media are a different story in some places, though. But not here in LA. When the Kings won the Cup in 2012, local media finally started paying attention, but the letsgokings.com website kept a running track of all of the mistaken uses of the Sacramento Kings logo and references to "Kings defenseman Brad Doty."
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The Avs got gifted their victory last night. Refs make an absolutely mindboggling call for what ended up being the GWG - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IK1jOzY98s
Oh, and if you watch the REF, he has his whistle in his mouth the whole fucking time, but doesn't blow it until he sees the puck in the net. There is 0% chance he could see the puck, and there is no possible explanation to justify this call.
Maybe Gary's had it right all along ... the league doing what they can to help their darling's out. :lol
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I think we've talked about this here before, but the NFL has no season. They have a knack for trumping all the other sports. I forget what the announcement was, but I recall they made a huge announcement a couple years ago right in the MIDDLE of March Madness (the NCAA tournament) and many of us here thought it wasn't at all a coincidence.
Jingle, Andy Brickley, one of the B's announcers, has taken to judging all the penalties called for or against the B's (particularly Brad Marchand) as "penalties" and "reputation penalties". He's not entirely wrong, either. A couple games ago, Marchand got rammed into the boards head first - the text book example of boarding - and no call. Two games ago, against Detroit, Patrice Bergeron got speared in the throat by the blade end of Seider's stick and no call.
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Jingle, Andy Brickley, one of the B's announcers, has taken to judging all the penalties called for or against the B's (particularly Brad Marchand) as "penalties" and "reputation penalties". He's not entirely wrong, either. A couple games ago, Marchand got rammed into the boards head first - the text book example of boarding - and no call. Two games ago, against Detroit, Patrice Bergeron got speared in the throat by the blade end of Seider's stick and no call.
I don't doubt it. Bunting on the Leafs gets the same treatment. I'm sure there are dozens of players across the league that get both 'pro' and 'con' calls for or against them because of their reputation.
I don't have a horse in the race about the Avs/Sens situation last night. It could've been Nashville/Chicago game for all I care. The teams involved don't sway my opinion about what a clearly bad/wrong call that was.
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Jingle, Andy Brickley, one of the B's announcers, has taken to judging all the penalties called for or against the B's (particularly Brad Marchand) as "penalties" and "reputation penalties".
It's the stench of Jack Edwards.
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I'm fine with penalties not being called on hits to Marchand.
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The Avs got gifted their victory last night. Refs make an absolutely mindboggling call for what ended up being the GWG - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IK1jOzY98s
Oh, and if you watch the REF, he has his whistle in his mouth the whole fucking time, but doesn't blow it until he sees the puck in the net. There is 0% chance he could see the puck, and there is no possible explanation to justify this call.
At 0:31 of the video, you can clearly see the linesman signaling no icing. He then drops his arms and signals it again. No whistle. No reason for anyone to stop playing. That's just lazy/sloppy on the Sens. Just cover the damn puck.
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The Avs got gifted their victory last night. Refs make an absolutely mindboggling call for what ended up being the GWG - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IK1jOzY98s
Oh, and if you watch the REF, he has his whistle in his mouth the whole fucking time, but doesn't blow it until he sees the puck in the net. There is 0% chance he could see the puck, and there is no possible explanation to justify this call.
At 0:31 of the video, you can clearly see the linesman signaling no icing. He then drops his arms and signals it again. No whistle. No reason for anyone to stop playing. That's just lazy/sloppy on the Sens. Just cover the damn puck.
The beef isn't on the waived off icing. I don't disagree ... you play to the whistle. But A) the puck was covered. B) Eller clearly pushes the goalie's leg/pad away to then be able to put the puck in the net. On A... why the fuck after 3-4 seconds was the whistle not blown? The referee (who had the whistle in his mouth) could not have in any conceivable way been able to see the puck from the angle he was at. B) how is that not goalie interference? Rule 69:
Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberate contact with a goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease.
On both counts, Eller interfered with the goalie.
Tell me if that wasn't an LA King goaltender you wouldn't be fuming.
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Tell me if that wasn't an LA King goaltender you wouldn't be fuming.
Perhaps, but I'd be WAY more annoyed with my guys for lazy, sloppy play (kinda like last night against stinking Vancouver).
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The Avs got gifted their victory last night. Refs make an absolutely mindboggling call for what ended up being the GWG - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IK1jOzY98s
Oh, and if you watch the REF, he has his whistle in his mouth the whole fucking time, but doesn't blow it until he sees the puck in the net. There is 0% chance he could see the puck, and there is no possible explanation to justify this call.
At 0:31 of the video, you can clearly see the linesman signaling no icing. He then drops his arms and signals it again. No whistle. No reason for anyone to stop playing. That's just lazy/sloppy on the Sens. Just cover the damn puck.
The beef isn't on the waived off icing. I don't disagree ... you play to the whistle. But A) the puck was covered. B) Eller clearly pushes the goalie's leg/pad away to then be able to put the puck in the net. On A... why the fuck after 3-4 seconds was the whistle not blown? The referee (who had the whistle in his mouth) could not have in any conceivable way been able to see the puck from the angle he was at. B) how is that not goalie interference? Rule 69:
Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberate contact with a goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease.
On both counts, Eller interfered with the goalie.
Tell me if that wasn't an LA King goaltender you wouldn't be fuming.
Gift goal, perhaps. However....there's no way to know how the rest of the game would have played out had that not been awarded as a goal. So you can't say just because that ended up being the GWG, that it would have been if it were still 4-2 at that point. And even if you did extrapolate the outcome (for the sake of argument) to be 4-4 and going into OT at that point.....you have NO IDEA who would have won from there. So you can't say it was a GIFT GAME. GTFO.
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Fair. But the refs gifted them the goal that ended up being the GWG. Again, guys …. I have no horse in the race. I’m just calling what I see.
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I don’t recognize this Rangers team, but I hope they’re here to stay. Good lord do they have something against the color yellow? Absolutely dominant this weekend.
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Fair. But the refs gifted them the goal that ended up being the GWG. Again, guys …. I have no horse in the race. I’m just calling what I see.
I hear ya. It was a bizarre series of events. I think everyone just assumed it was icing. But I think MORE bottom line than the refs messing up is....if you're a goalie and the puck is loose----and you don't hear a whistle----don't assume ANYTHING. Cover that puck and guard it with your life. I'm an Avs fan, so I admit by bias/dog in hunt.....however, I am fair too. If that was Georgiev (or was it Johansson in that game?) I would have felt the same way. Sucks and maybe it was goalie interference......but take ANY chance of there being some hijinx away by encasing that biscuit in leather.....with extreme down pressure......until you know exactly what is happening.
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I mean you guard until you get the whistle. Otherwise, you get this moment.
Unlucky Bounce: Patrick Roy shows the world his glove minus puck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIjp_pwvF5Q)
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I mean you guard until you get the whistle. Otherwise, you get this moment.
Unlucky Bounce: Patrick Roy shows the world his glove minus puck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIjp_pwvF5Q)
I remember seeing that live. Roy was awesome, but he was a jackass.
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So, the Kings annihilated the Flames today, 8-2. Honestly didn't expect that against a team that's trying to claw their way to a wild card spot. What's more impressive is the Kings depth is humming along very nicely even without Fiala. Five days until the next game though. It could lead to sloppy play when they get back on it, but with Fiala on IR and Vilardi taking a hard tumble in the 3rd where he didn't finish the game, the team could probably use that rest and hope one or both of them is ready to go on Saturday.
With Viktor Arvidsson's goal today, that puts him at 20 for the year. Five Kings players now has at least 20 goals this season. Wow.
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I mean you guard until you get the whistle. Otherwise, you get this moment.
Unlucky Bounce: Patrick Roy shows the world his glove minus puck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIjp_pwvF5Q)
I remember seeing that live. Roy was awesome, but he was a jackass.
"He was going to give the old "how do you do!" and he dropped the puck!" HAHAHA. Hockey announcers are the best.
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So about halfway through the season I was getting a little tired of the Red Wings broadcasts, so I said to myself, why not take advantage of watching an out-of-market team since most the games are on ESPN+. So for a good bit now I've always watched the away broadcasts for Red Wings games.
With that said, for tonight's games against the Blues they went on quite regularly about all the former Blues on the Red Wings roster. And all I was thinking all game was, man, Kev really must be enjoying this!
Edit: And huzzah, one extra meaningless point for Detroit!
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Bruins get a power play in the first period and Montgomery puts out his first line. About 30 seconds later, the Sens get another penalty and now the B's have a 5-on-3 power play. Montgomery calls a time out; gives his first line a chance to rest, and he - sort of inexplicably - pulls Jake DeBrusk who has been ON FIRE in the last couple games (something like seven points in five games or some shit) and puts in David Krejci who hasn't scored a power play goal in something like 20 games....
Guess who stuffs home the rebound of a Hampus Lindholm shot for a PP goal less than 30 seconds later? Love it! Later in the period DeBrusk gets the game winner and the B's slam the door for two periods for the win.
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So about halfway through the season I was getting a little tired of the Red Wings broadcasts, so I said to myself, why not take advantage of watching an out-of-market team since most the games are on ESPN+. So for a good bit now I've always watched the away broadcasts for Red Wings games.
With that said, for tonight's games against the Blues they went on quite regularly about all the former Blues on the Red Wings roster. And all I was thinking all game was, man, Kev really must be enjoying this!
Edit: And huzzah, one extra meaningless point for Detroit!
:censored :censored :lol :lol
Actually, I didn't see the game. I have barely watched any sports at all in the last month or so.
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Calling a TO in that instance was interesting. In most cases, I'd call it a desperation move, but he obviously sensed something.
The Sens have played the Bruins tough this year. They have some good young players, as to the Wings.
And, speaking of Hampus Lindholm.... He has been the Bruins best all around d-man I've seen since Ray Bourgue..yeah yeah Chara I know, but Lindholm excels in all three zones. I know McAvoy gets all the attention, but to me, Lindholm has been playing at a Norris trophy clip. Leads the league in +/- with +46. The guy has been making plays all year and is a huge part of what's been going on here this year.
Also..no matter what or how the Bruins finish the regular season, this season rests on that second round matchup with Toronto.
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Lindholm is a quiet, extremely solid, all around defensive player. I'm glad the B's shook off the rust that seemed to be settling in. Back to solid defense while winning in multiple ways.
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Lindholm is a quiet, extremely solid, all around defensive player. I'm glad the B's shook off the rust that seemed to be settling in. Back to solid defense while winning in multiple ways.
You had asked me last week if I was worried, and well, I only have one worry, and that's Toronto.
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I mean you guard until you get the whistle. Otherwise, you get this moment.
Unlucky Bounce: Patrick Roy shows the world his glove minus puck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIjp_pwvF5Q)
I could watch that all day. Second best Patrick Roy moment in that series. The best was him giving up 6 goals on 16 shots in Game 7 of that series, and getting serenaded by "Patrick! Patrick!" by Wings fans as he left the ice at Joe Louis Arena.
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Lindholm is a quiet, extremely solid, all around defensive player. I'm glad the B's shook off the rust that seemed to be settling in. Back to solid defense while winning in multiple ways.
You had asked me last week if I was worried, and well, I only have one worry, and that's Toronto.
B's are 2-1-1 this year vs. Them.
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Calling a TO in that instance was interesting. In most cases, I'd call it a desperation move, but he obviously sensed something.
The Sens have played the Bruins tough this year. They have some good young players, as to the Wings.
And, speaking of Hampus Lindholm.... He has been the Bruins best all around d-man I've seen since Ray Bourgue..yeah yeah Chara I know, but Lindholm excels in all three zones. I know McAvoy gets all the attention, but to me, Lindholm has been playing at a Norris trophy clip. Leads the league in +/- with +46. The guy has been making plays all year and is a huge part of what's been going on here this year.
Also..no matter what or how the Bruins finish the regular season, this season rests on that second round matchup with Toronto.
In 100% agreement on Lindholm; I wrote about getting a jersey and it's probably going to be "27". Just my kind of player. Solid, no frills, but indispensible.
(I'm a fan of Chara, no doubt, but I'd rather have Lindholm than Chara, if given the choice.)
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Lindholm is a quiet, extremely solid, all around defensive player. I'm glad the B's shook off the rust that seemed to be settling in. Back to solid defense while winning in multiple ways.
You had asked me last week if I was worried, and well, I only have one worry, and that's Toronto.
I don't disagree about Toronto; depending on how brutal that series is, though, I don't really want to face the Rangers or the Devils if we're bloodied and bruised.
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Lindholm is a quiet, extremely solid, all around defensive player. I'm glad the B's shook off the rust that seemed to be settling in. Back to solid defense while winning in multiple ways.
You had asked me last week if I was worried, and well, I only have one worry, and that's Toronto.
I don't disagree about Toronto; depending on how brutal that series is, though, I don't really want to face the Rangers or the Devils if we're bloodied and bruised.
The only team in the Metro I'd be concerned with is Carolina. And they don't concern me nearly as much as Toronto does.
And I don't think we'll be as bloodied and bruised against Toronto as either the Rangers or Devils will be against Carolina if they get there.
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Fair point. Fair point.
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Of course, bruised and bloodied isn't necessarily a bad thing to experience. It's actually getting injured.
I'd hate to lose Bergeron in the first round against the Islanders believe me.
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Lindholm is a quiet, extremely solid, all around defensive player. I'm glad the B's shook off the rust that seemed to be settling in. Back to solid defense while winning in multiple ways.
You had asked me last week if I was worried, and well, I only have one worry, and that's Toronto.
I don't disagree about Toronto; depending on how brutal that series is, though, I don't really want to face the Rangers or the Devils if we're bloodied and bruised.
The only team in the Metro I'd be concerned with is Carolina. And they don't concern me nearly as much as Toronto does.
And I don't think we'll be as bloodied and bruised against Toronto as either the Rangers or Devils will be against Carolina if they get there.
Oh man, I think I'd be worried about them as well as Toronto. They always seem to have our #.
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After some springy stuff, the top 4 in the Pacific are back to within 9 points of each other (with Seattle having one game in hand on everyone else). Big game between Vegas and Edmonton on Saturday.
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I know Montreal is not lighting it up this year, but a good solid win in a game that started really chippy and could have been a much bigger shitshow than it was.
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Tomorrow will be a fun day.
Seattle at Nashville at 11 a.m. Seattle has 12 points in its last 10 games. A win will be a huge boon to Nashville's playoff hopes. Go Preds!
Kings host Winnipeg at 1 p.m. Kings with 18 points in their last 10 games, while Winnipeg needs a win to stay strong in the first WC spot.
And what should be a great game at 7 p.m. with Vegas at Edmonton. Both teams are 8-2-0 in their last 10. I'll probably be rooting for Edmonton since the Kings are 4 points back of Vegas (however, for a change, the Kings have a game in hand).
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Well, Kings won nice and decisively over the Jets, which is fine.
Regarding Oilers/Golden Knights, just about the worst case scenario for the Kings happened in that game. Went to OT and the Golden Knights won. Would have been pretty happy with a Oilers regulation win on that one to keep the Golden Knights within a more reachable distance for the division lead. About the only times I can really root for a regulation Oilers win due to the standing positions.
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Big game at 4pm EST. B's @ Hurricanes. Last few games, teams tried to bully/out physical the B's. I wonder if Carolina will try to since the B's are on a back to back traveling yesterday.
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Big game at 4pm EST. B's @ Hurricanes. Last few games, teams tried to bully/out physical the B's. I wonder if Carolina will try to since the B's are on a back to back traveling yesterday.
Canes just played a tough one against the Leafs. They pummelled the Leafs in the first 12 minutes. Shots were 16-4 at that point of the 1st; tied 16-16 by the end of the period, and the Leafs owned them in the 2nd. Canes got a late goal right after the Leafs had tied it 3-3, and then shut it down. Matthews had 15 shots on goal - tied for most ever by a Leaf, and most in the league since Ovi had that many back in 2015. Koetchetkov (sp??) won that game for them.
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Matthews' arms must have been weak after that many shots. Second round in the playoffs should be nuts this year.
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Good night last night, the Devils won, hit 100 points for the season, and clinched a playoff spot (though technically that happened during the game due to a loss elsewhere). Still some room for changes over the last few games of the season, but in all likelihood headed for home ice and a first round series against the Rangers. Not exactly looking forward to that the way they, and particularly Shesterkin, have been playing lately.
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Good night last night, the Devils won, hit 100 points for the season, and clinched a playoff spot (though technically that happened during the game due to a loss elsewhere). Still some room for changes over the last few games of the season, but in all likelihood headed for home ice and a first round series against the Rangers. Not exactly looking forward to that the way they, and particularly Shesterkin, have been playing lately.
Yeah, that's quite likely be the closest first round series out of the East, IMO. I'm not taking Tampa for granted by any means, but they have looked rather ordinary (to say the least) lately. Though, that can often be the scariest team ... coast in to the post-season, then amp it up to fire on all cylinders. And Vasilevsky is just as (if not more so) likely to be the most threatening goalie to be staring across the ice at.
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Good night last night, the Devils won, hit 100 points for the season, and clinched a playoff spot (though technically that happened during the game due to a loss elsewhere). Still some room for changes over the last few games of the season, but in all likelihood headed for home ice and a first round series against the Rangers. Not exactly looking forward to that the way they, and particularly Shesterkin, have been playing lately.
Yeah, that's quite likely be the closest first round series out of the East, IMO. I'm not taking Tampa for granted by any means, but they have looked rather ordinary (to say the least) lately. Though, that can often be the scariest team ... coast in to the post-season, then amp it up to fire on all cylinders. And Vasilevsky is just as (if not more so) likely to be the most threatening goalie to be staring across the ice at.
Tampa came to play last night. Looked like Cooper wanted them to make a statement. Bruins did just enough to hold them off.
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Two games that teams came ready to attack Tim and good responses by the B's bin both games. Looking forward to the Canes game today.
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No Bergeron, Marchand & Lindholm today. Load management.
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No Bergeron, Marchand & Lindholm today. Load management.
Good!
Pasta gets 50!!!!!
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On a fanned attempt. :lol
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Well, Kings won nice and decisively over the Jets, which is fine.
Regarding Oilers/Golden Knights, just about the worst case scenario for the Kings happened in that game. Went to OT and the Golden Knights won. Would have been pretty happy with a Oilers regulation win on that one to keep the Golden Knights within a more reachable distance for the division lead. About the only times I can really root for a regulation Oilers win due to the standing positions.
Yeah...other than the Kings winning, yesterday kinda sucked. The Preds were a total no-show against Seattle. I couldn't decide what result I wanted in the LV/EDM game, but a 3-point game was the worst thing possible. Kings need to take care of business tonight against the Blues and then head out on a HUGE 4-game western Canada/Seattle roadie.
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Well, the Leafs ended the 5-game road-trip 3-2. Could've been better, but it'll do. Nine games to go, 7 points up on Tampa with one game in hand. Leafs would have to go 3-6 and Tampa go 8-0 for Tampa to gain home ice advantage. Unlikely, but mathematically it's possible.
RoR could be back as early as Wednesday against the Panthers.
Every Toronto fan of my generation remembers 1987 when the Blue Jays were up 3 1/2 games on the Tigers with 5 to go, and within a week Detroit won the AL East by 2 games.
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Hmmmm. This Kings/Blues game was not one of Copley's best. This was a pretty shaky game until the end. It all started smoothly with a first period lead of 5-1 leading to the Blues' goalie being pulled and Binnington coming in. Then, the Blues had a great 2nd, scoring three unanswered and then everyone just kept trading goals until the end in the 3rd. A 7-6 game. Maybe bringing back Fiala and Durzi all at once and Blake Lizotte getting suspended sorta jumbled the roster line-ups a bit too much in a negative way. I didn't think a 6 day off from the last time Copley played would affect the flow that much.
Got to tighten that up since that four-game road trip will be tough (even tougher than the Minnesota/NY/NJ/Winnipeg road trip) since all the Western Canadian/Seattle teams will not relinquish any points that easily because of playoff position or just plain dignity (i.e. the Canucks who somehow has been racking up the points despite being out of the playoff hunt a long long time ago and doesn't even want a chance to win the draft lottery to get hometown boy Bedard).
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Yeah, it's kinda baffling to see teams like Ari, Mtl, Van and Phi putting up some strong performances and getting wins they could (should) just have easily mailed it in. Phi has a better record in their past 10 than Ott, Buf, and Wash - all who were in the hunt for a WC 10 games ago. Van is 8-2 in their last 10! They've managed to play themselves up that no-man's land of not getting into the lottery, and not getting into the playoffs.
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On a fanned attempt. :lol
It's something else, isn't it? And there's no FRIGGIN' way he planned that. Baffling (though to be fair, he largely played well in a game he had to for them to win).
Loved how some of the other guys stepped up. Charlie Coyle is MONEY. I'm hoping they find the wherewithal to keep both Hathaway and Orlov.
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I hope so too. They bring a toughness needed for the playoffs.
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Hmmmm. This Kings/Blues game was not one of Copley's best. This was a pretty shaky game until the end. It all started smoothly with a first period lead of 5-1 leading to the Blues' goalie being pulled and Binnington coming in. Then, the Blues had a great 2nd, scoring three unanswered and then everyone just kept trading goals until the end in the 3rd. A 7-6 game. Maybe bringing back Fiala and Durzi all at once and Blake Lizotte getting suspended sorta jumbled the roster line-ups a bit too much in a negative way. I didn't think a 6 day off from the last time Copley played would affect the flow that much.
Got to tighten that up since that four-game road trip will be tough (even tougher than the Minnesota/NY/NJ/Winnipeg road trip) since all the Western Canadian/Seattle teams will not relinquish any points that easily because of playoff position or just plain dignity (i.e. the Canucks who somehow has been racking up the points despite being out of the playoff hunt a long long time ago and doesn't even want a chance to win the draft lottery to get hometown boy Bedard).
I think that game will probably be good for them as they play the last 9 games and into the playoffs. I also felt like most of those goals were on the D and not on Copley. I was also sad that Binnington didn't have a Binnington moment.
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Part of me felt that maybe Berube was reluctant in wanting to bring in Binnington for this game, because him and Copley had a goalie fight before in the AHL, and want none of that possible distraction affecting the game. That said, when the scoreboard reads 5-1 and it went from that to 5-4 in a period and nothing that results in a distraction happens, that was best case scenario for Berube and the Blues in a morale sense.
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For sure. Alex or Jim mentioned something about Binnington's and Copley's history, and I thought it was kind of odd that he did so.
Oh well...hope we get a good result in Calgary tomorrow to start the roadie off right. Thursday in Edmonton will be huge.
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For sure. Alex or Jim mentioned something about Binnington's and Copley's history, and I thought it was kind of odd that he did so.
Oh well...hope we get a good result in Calgary tomorrow to start the roadie off right. Thursday in Edmonton will be huge.
And i have the good fortune of having lower bowl seats for the game ;D
Big week overall for the Oil with games against Vegas and LA. They need these wins to have any hope of grabbing home ice for the 1st round. With how both those teams are humming along, it's going to be a brutal first round
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Atta boy, Arvi!
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For sure. Alex or Jim mentioned something about Binnington's and Copley's history, and I thought it was kind of odd that he did so.
Oh well...hope we get a good result in Calgary tomorrow to start the roadie off right. Thursday in Edmonton will be huge.
And i have the good fortune of having lower bowl seats for the game ;D
Big week overall for the Oil with games against Vegas and LA. They need these wins to have any hope of grabbing home ice for the 1st round. With how both those teams are humming along, it's going to be a brutal first round
Out of curiosity, what do you think of the Oilers broadcasting crew? I caught the last couple games (Vegas and Phoenix) on ESPN+. There were a couple points where they were really stretching to argue that the Oiler who had just taken a penalty didn't actually commit a penalty.
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For sure. Alex or Jim mentioned something about Binnington's and Copley's history, and I thought it was kind of odd that he did so.
Oh well...hope we get a good result in Calgary tomorrow to start the roadie off right. Thursday in Edmonton will be huge.
And i have the good fortune of having lower bowl seats for the game ;D
Big week overall for the Oil with games against Vegas and LA. They need these wins to have any hope of grabbing home ice for the 1st round. With how both those teams are humming along, it's going to be a brutal first round
Out of curiosity, what do you think of the Oilers broadcasting crew? I caught the last couple games (Vegas and Phoenix) on ESPN+. There were a couple points where they were really stretching to argue that the Oiler who had just taken a penalty didn't actually commit a penalty.
Do you know if the ESPN feed was piggy backing the Sportsnet feed?
I find the SN crew to be pretty good. Jack Michaels is the regular play by play (except Wednesdays, i believe), and he used to be the radio play by play. He does a pretty balanced call. Louie DeBrusk does color, and he's also fairly balanced. I think, like any crew covering a single team, they have some "homer" moments; however i wouldn't say their broadcast is anything I'd call biased.
The color guy on the radio broadcast is wickedly biased (Bob Stauffer). He trashes the refs all game if calls don't go edmonton's way, and you can hear the agitation in his voice when the Oil aren't playing well. He's basically a fan first, and media guy second. He is paid by the Oilers, so maybe that should be expected
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I like the guy that used to do Hockey Night in Punjabi that does Sportsnet Oilers games in English sometimes. On mobile so I can’t spell his name atm. I like his enthusiasm.
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Unlike Jack Edwards who was literally laughing in disbelief the other night when a ‘Canes player didn’t get an offsetting minor penalty (I think it was Staal) after being gooned for trying to pickup his stick in the Boston crease.
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I like the guy that used to do Hockey Night in Punjabi that does Sportsnet Oilers games in English sometimes. On mobile so I can’t spell his name atm. I like his enthusiasm.
Yeah, he does the Wednesday and Saturday games. He's pretty good
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Oil are absolutely dismantling Vegas right now. PP is 3/3. Nuge has 5 points, and approaching 100pts on the season. Hopefully they don't shit the bed in the 3rd.
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I like the guy that used to do Hockey Night in Punjabi that does Sportsnet Oilers games in English sometimes. On mobile so I can’t spell his name atm. I like his enthusiasm.
Yeah, he does the Wednesday and Saturday games. He's pretty good
Harnarayan Singh. He’s great. I also love Jack Michaels.
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Unlike Jack Edwards who was literally laughing in disbelief the other night when a ‘Canes player didn’t get an offsetting minor penalty (I think it was Staal) after being gooned for trying to pickup his stick in the Boston crease.
Well, he was right. :)
Jack Edwards is awesome. Last night he asked Montgomery: "Tonight certainly wasn't an A performance. How far down the alphabet do you have to go?" Montgomery just laughed at him.
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Unlike Jack Edwards who was literally laughing in disbelief the other night when a ‘Canes player didn’t get an offsetting minor penalty (I think it was Staal) after being gooned for trying to pickup his stick in the Boston crease.
Well, he was right. :)
Jack Edwards is awesome.
Well, you and me were watching different highlights then. To be fair, I didn't see what precipitated this (https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/jack-edwards-called-out-for-being-high-as-hell-on-air), but there's no penalty I can discern from Matinook's actions.
The only people I ever hear/see suggesting "Edwards is awesome" are either A) Bruins fans, or B) from the Northeast*.
Just sayin ...
* - And I know Bruins fans from the Northeast that can't stand him (insert "Tim" here). At least he is objective on the matter :P ;)
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Unlike Jack Edwards who was literally laughing in disbelief the other night when a ‘Canes player didn’t get an offsetting minor penalty (I think it was Staal) after being gooned for trying to pickup his stick in the Boston crease.
Well, he was right. :)
Jack Edwards is awesome.
Well, you and me were watching different highlights then. To be fair, I didn't see what precipitated this (https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/jack-edwards-called-out-for-being-high-as-hell-on-air), but there's no penalty I can discern from Matinook's actions.
The only people I ever hear/see suggesting "Edwards is awesome" are either A) Bruins fans, or B) from the Northeast*.
Just sayin ...
* - And I know Bruins fans from the Northeast that can't stand him (insert "Tim" here). At least he is objective on the matter :P ;)
Well, I owe you an apology; you're sort of stepping into an inside joke. I do like Edwards, but let's be clear: he's insane. My stepson and I laugh about it almost every game. We are convinced he drinks through the games; every game they do a "Jack and Brick with Jim" (him, Andy Brickley and Jim Montgomery, the coach) segment after the game, and we're at the point that it's not IF he slurs one of the questions, it's which one. Plus he does these local "The Bostonians" commercials for a local insurance company and they are ridiculous (though "Sister Sarah from Lawrence" is hot).
As I said, I DO like him, because he's entertaining, but I'm not naive to what he is (an acquired taste).
I don't know if he does still or not, but he used to live in the town next to me, and I'd love to run into him at the grocery store or whatnot. :)
ED: And I have no idea if there was an actual penalty or not; I do know that the officiating in the NHL is... variable, let's say. Marchand had TWO reputational penalties on him last night. It seems more and more that penalties are called based on the outcome of the play in question not the actual actions of the players IN the play.
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I like Jack because he's a maniac. It's makes the call exciting. I can see why other fans from other teams would hate him though. Even when he flubs a line it's funny to me.
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For sure. Alex or Jim mentioned something about Binnington's and Copley's history, and I thought it was kind of odd that he did so.
Oh well...hope we get a good result in Calgary tomorrow to start the roadie off right. Thursday in Edmonton will be huge.
And i have the good fortune of having lower bowl seats for the game ;D
Big week overall for the Oil with games against Vegas and LA. They need these wins to have any hope of grabbing home ice for the 1st round. With how both those teams are humming along, it's going to be a brutal first round
Out of curiosity, what do you think of the Oilers broadcasting crew? I caught the last couple games (Vegas and Phoenix) on ESPN+. There were a couple points where they were really stretching to argue that the Oiler who had just taken a penalty didn't actually commit a penalty.
Do you know if the ESPN feed was piggy backing the Sportsnet feed?
I find the SN crew to be pretty good. Jack Michaels is the regular play by play (except Wednesdays, i believe), and he used to be the radio play by play. He does a pretty balanced call. Louie DeBrusk does color, and he's also fairly balanced. I think, like any crew covering a single team, they have some "homer" moments; however i wouldn't say their broadcast is anything I'd call biased.
Now that you mention it, it may have been the Sportsnet feed because there was a lot of "let's check out what the other Canadian teams are doing."
I guess I'm going to have to seek out a Bruins broadcast to see what all this Jack Edwards fuss is about.
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For sure. Alex or Jim mentioned something about Binnington's and Copley's history, and I thought it was kind of odd that he did so.
Oh well...hope we get a good result in Calgary tomorrow to start the roadie off right. Thursday in Edmonton will be huge.
And i have the good fortune of having lower bowl seats for the game ;D
Big week overall for the Oil with games against Vegas and LA. They need these wins to have any hope of grabbing home ice for the 1st round. With how both those teams are humming along, it's going to be a brutal first round
Out of curiosity, what do you think of the Oilers broadcasting crew? I caught the last couple games (Vegas and Phoenix) on ESPN+. There were a couple points where they were really stretching to argue that the Oiler who had just taken a penalty didn't actually commit a penalty.
Do you know if the ESPN feed was piggy backing the Sportsnet feed?
I find the SN crew to be pretty good. Jack Michaels is the regular play by play (except Wednesdays, i believe), and he used to be the radio play by play. He does a pretty balanced call. Louie DeBrusk does color, and he's also fairly balanced. I think, like any crew covering a single team, they have some "homer" moments; however i wouldn't say their broadcast is anything I'd call biased.
Now that you mention it, it may have been the Sportsnet feed because there was a lot of "let's check out what the other Canadian teams are doing."
I guess I'm going to have to seek out a Bruins broadcast to see what all this Jack Edwards fuss is about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNjKfRzNtQU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNjKfRzNtQU
I thought this was going to be the call on the Ullmark goal. "WITNESSING HISTORY!!!!"
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He does lose it and starts to pontificate. It's hilarious to see and hear.
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For sure. Alex or Jim mentioned something about Binnington's and Copley's history, and I thought it was kind of odd that he did so.
Oh well...hope we get a good result in Calgary tomorrow to start the roadie off right. Thursday in Edmonton will be huge.
And i have the good fortune of having lower bowl seats for the game ;D
Big week overall for the Oil with games against Vegas and LA. They need these wins to have any hope of grabbing home ice for the 1st round. With how both those teams are humming along, it's going to be a brutal first round
Out of curiosity, what do you think of the Oilers broadcasting crew? I caught the last couple games (Vegas and Phoenix) on ESPN+. There were a couple points where they were really stretching to argue that the Oiler who had just taken a penalty didn't actually commit a penalty.
Do you know if the ESPN feed was piggy backing the Sportsnet feed?
I find the SN crew to be pretty good. Jack Michaels is the regular play by play (except Wednesdays, i believe), and he used to be the radio play by play. He does a pretty balanced call. Louie DeBrusk does color, and he's also fairly balanced. I think, like any crew covering a single team, they have some "homer" moments; however i wouldn't say their broadcast is anything I'd call biased.
Now that you mention it, it may have been the Sportsnet feed because there was a lot of "let's check out what the other Canadian teams are doing."
I guess I'm going to have to seek out a Bruins broadcast to see what all this Jack Edwards fuss is about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNjKfRzNtQU
"Stripped the Whale of it's blubber!"
"The Leaf's are mulch again!"
And no mistake, though, he's an award-winning sports announcer. He used to be an ESPN anchor back in the day.
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He used to be a local sportcaster in Boston before that.
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I do have to admit his honesty is a touch refreshing.
Reporter: "Some people have accused you of 'homerism' in your calls. How would you respond?"
Jack: "I would respond by saying 'GET OVER IT'"
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He used to be a local sportcaster in Boston before that.
Providence, no?
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He used to be a local sportcaster in Boston before that.
Providence, no?
First yes, then he went on to WCVB-TV in Boston. Then onto ESPN.
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I know it's sacrilege, especially here in St. Louis.....but I'm 'over' Darren Pang. 9 seasons is enough....his schtick is old....his "isms" make me roll my eyes and it's just time to move on. Great announcer and all but it's time.
Former Blue defenseman Jamie Rivers has filled in for him a few times this year when Pang was working for TNT and Rivers does a good job and is just as informative and colorful as Pang. Pang is a massive homer (which is fine when done right) and if you were to believe him then Jordan Binnington has not given up a goal this year that was actually his fault.
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I know it's sacrilege, especially here in St. Louis.....but I'm 'over' Darren Pang. 9 seasons is enough....his schtick is old....his "isms" make me roll my eyes and it's just time to move on. Great announcer and all but it's time.
Former Blue defenseman Jamie Rivers has filled in for him a few times this year when Pang was working for TNT and Rivers does a good job and is just as informative and colorful as Pang. Pang is a massive homer (which is fine when done right) and if you were to believe him then Jordan Binnington has not given up a goal this year that was actually his fault.
HOLY JUMPIN!
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I know it's sacrilege, especially here in St. Louis.....but I'm 'over' Darren Pang. 9 seasons is enough....his schtick is old....his "isms" make me roll my eyes and it's just time to move on. Great announcer and all but it's time.
Former Blue defenseman Jamie Rivers has filled in for him a few times this year when Pang was working for TNT and Rivers does a good job and is just as informative and colorful as Pang. Pang is a massive homer (which is fine when done right) and if you were to believe him then Jordan Binnington has not given up a goal this year that was actually his fault.
HOLY JUMPIN!
:lol
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HOLY JUMPIN!
It is more than that honestly.....like I said.....Binnington does nothing wrong, I swear Pang must get a percentage of his paycheck. And for some reason this season Pang will tell you after literally every slap shot Coltan Paryako takes how 'fast' it was. Never mind it missed the net by 5 foot or that he's had seven giveaways, thank goodness we know how fast every shot he takes is. "like you read about" is a phrase he'll drop at least once a game, sometimes more.....I don't know. I get it...he IS good....the Blues announcing crew is in the top five every season when compared to the rest of the league. We watch a lot of hockey in our house and there are some horrible crews out there.....and I 'get' that Pang is 'good'. I'm just over him....need a change and like I said...Jamie Rivers is very well suited to step in.
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HOLY JUMPIN!
It is more than that honestly.....like I said.....Binnington does nothing wrong, I swear Pang must get a percentage of his paycheck. And for some reason this season Pang will tell you after literally every slap shot Coltan Paryako takes how 'fast' it was. Never mind it missed the net by 5 foot or that he's had seven giveaways, thank goodness we know how fast every shot he takes is. "like you read about" is a phrase he'll drop at least once a game, sometimes more.....I don't know. I get it...he IS good....the Blues announcing crew is in the top five every season when compared to the rest of the league. We watch a lot of hockey in our house and there are some horrible crews out there.....and I 'get' that Pang is 'good'. I'm just over him....need a change and like I said...Jamie Rivers is very well suited to step in.
That's Jack and Andy about David Pastrnak. I think Pastrnak sucks - he turns the puck over WAYYYYYYYYY too much - and in one broadcast, they were looking at a replay and Brick says "Pastrnak with the turnover, but that's ok, because all the great ones turn the puck over". NO!!! NO THEY DON'T!!! THAT'S WHY THEY'RE GREAT, because they DON'T!!!!!!!
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Story time:
I work from home most days, but still go to the office once or twice per week. Our office is downtown Edmonton across the street from Roger's Place arena. We have an extensive network of above street pedways that connect many of the towers in the core, including Roger's Place. I like to walk these pedways during lunch on my office days, often starting and ending in Roger's. The arena is connect directly to a fancy JW Marrriott hotel where the visiting team always stays, so you'll often see members of the visiting organization in the pedway or the open space in the arena where there's a bar and one of the main ticket entrances (called Ford Hall - Ford being the sponsor for the naming rights). Basically, it's a good place to get an autograph or photo from players from the visiting side.
On my walk today I come across Kings coach, and, of course, former Oilers coach, Todd McLellan. Here's our conversation in its entirety...
ME: "Hey Todd, I'd wish you good luck tonight, but I honestly hope you get blown out of the building"
TODD (chuckling to himself): "Well, I guess have a nice day to you, too"
Hopefully the Oil fans who came running up as I was walking away still got their photos with him lol.
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In the nicest possible way, I hope you go home unhappy tonight. :biggrin:
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If you're going to score goal #300, that's how you ought to do it. Well done, Connor
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If you're going to score goal #300, that's how you ought to do it. Well done, Connor
That guy can kiss my grits. He took out Mikey Anderson at the beginning of the game. I don't want to hear the praise about this guy or hearing any whining on why he can't draw penalties after that bleep. Kings had to roll 5 defensemen the rest of the way for 58 minutes. Hard to recover from that. Offense was anemic though. Kings were solid enough in the PK and did a great job of neutralizing McDavid on 5v5 and the Oilers PP. It just happens a turnover on the Kings PP lead to that short-handed McDavid goal.
Korpisalo did all he could in the two losses. Also when Fiala and Vilardi are out, it hurts the offense. Team needs one or both of these guys healthy to get the lines rolling.
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If you're going to score goal #300, that's how you ought to do it. Well done, Connor
That guy can kiss my grits. He took out Mikey Anderson at the beginning of the game. I don't want to hear the praise about this guy or hearing any whining on why he can't draw penalties after that bleep. Kings had to roll 5 defensemen the rest of the way for 58 minutes. Hard to recover from that. Offense was anemic though. Kings were solid enough in the PK and did a great job of neutralizing McDavid on 5v5 and the Oilers PP. It just happens a turnover on the Kings PP lead to that short-handed McDavid goal.
Korpisalo did all he could in the two losses. Also when Fiala and Vilardi are out, it hurts the offense. Team needs one or both of these guys healthy to get the lines rolling.
And yet many teams do throughout the course of the season. I didn’t see the play, so I can’t comment, but blaming the L on the loss of a single player doesn’t compute - I think not scoring a single goal might be the bigger issue. ;)
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It was a penalty, I'll give him that. Connor finished his check on Anderson, but that check was right in the numbers a foot from the boards. It looked pretty innocuous though, and i didn't even realize Anderson left the game. He skated away no problem.
LA had plenty of chances last night. Skinner was simply on fire, so don't blame McDavid for the Kings loss. Blame Stuart Skinner
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So after the Bruins stepped up in overtime (check out that move by Lindholm; that was Bobby-Orr-esque!) I went over to the Oilers/Kings game on ESPN+, and watched the second half of the first period and all of the second period.
First, let's not beat around the bush: the officiating in the NHL is very inconsistent. That behind the back shot only gets called about half the time. Marchand got essentially pasted onto the boards in each of the last two games and no call, so no whining about the non-call agains Anderson. Last night Bergeron got cross-checked to the face, drawing blood and the refs changed the initial five-minute major call to a two-minute minor (Jack Edwards: "What does Bergie have to do to get a call? Go full on Van Gogh?") then about ten minutes later, Marchand got cross-checked in the face, drawing blood, and it WAS a five minute major.
Second, games are 60 minutes for a reason; you've got to cover guys like McDavid for the full 60; that's why they are so good, they never take a shift off (or rather, they never play a partial game). The key with beating a team that is top-heavy like Edmonton is to with the battle of the third and fourth lines, and the Kings didn't do that. They just didn't seem deep enough for me to be able to do that.
Third, no doubt Edwards is a homer (Jack: "Get over it!") but at least he's entertaining. Those two last night, Alex Faust and Jim Fox, - right? - are both just as "homer" as Edwards. I asked my step son what feed he put on (LA or Edmonton) and he didn't know; we figured it out right quick. I don't mind "homer"; I find it - sometimes - entertaining, but here, man, they are dry as dirt. I didn't even bother to watch the third period; not entirely because of the announcers, but they did nothing to keep me there.
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I guess it's nice to see the Blues ending the season on a strong note.
The better thing is seeing that the Blackhawks and Red Wings will both miss the playoffs as well :biggrin: :biggrin:, and it is likely that Nashville will as well. This makes me feel a little better about the Blues missing out. :coolio :coolio
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I guess it's nice to see the Blues ending the season on a strong note.
The better thing is seeing that the Blackhawks and Red Wings will both miss the playoffs as well :biggrin: :biggrin:, and it is likely that Nashville will as well. This makes me feel a little better about the Blues missing out. :coolio :coolio
Nice finish to that 'Wings game last night. Andersen played really well, too; I'm no 'Canes fan (in fact the opposite) but it's a shame that that's how his night ended.
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I guess it's nice to see the Blues ending the season on a strong note.
Yeah....welll.....unless they dump a defensive contract or two and start to enact some sort of bail out plan on Binnington it won't matter.
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It was a penalty, I'll give him that. Connor finished his check on Anderson, but that check was right in the numbers a foot from the boards. It looked pretty innocuous though, and i didn't even realize Anderson left the game. He skated away no problem.
LA had plenty of chances last night. Skinner was simply on fire, so don't blame McDavid for the Kings loss. Blame Stuart Skinner
I already said the offense was anemic for the Kings that game and I will blame the loss on that. That being said, I keep reading people whining and crying of how the Oilers should be getting more penalties, than they do, on calls drawn by McDavid and co. and after the contact on Mikey (the 2 min. penalty on McDavid was right, 5 min. would have been way too much), I just don't feel like McDavid should get much of the benefit of the doubt at all anymore. If the refs missed any calls drawn by him, well, I won't have sympathies on that.
It's also going to get annoying to read that McDavid got his 300th of his career, in a short-handed goal, and the Oilers now have 97 pts in the regulation season and 300 goals total..... So all of that combined with the fact that our top LD defensemen may not finish this rough road trip, the Kings offense has only scored one goal in two games, and going against a Kraken team the Kings lost 9-8 in their last meeting and a Canucks team that has their number ever since Elias Pettersson and Quinn Hughes entered the league, yeah, I'm pissed.
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If you're going to score goal #300, that's how you ought to do it. Well done, Connor
That guy can kiss my grits. He took out Mikey Anderson at the beginning of the game. I don't want to hear the praise about this guy or hearing any whining on why he can't draw penalties after that bleep.
It's not just that hit - which didn't decide the game. He's a dirty player (or at least a reckless player). The ejection for boarding Adrian Kempe. His head shot to Nick Leddy. His head shot to Jesperi Kotkaniemi. Someone at some point is going to teach him a lesson.
But the Kings have looked anemic these first two games of this roadie, and it needs to change right quick.
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I know Chicago lost to NJ tonight, but their goalie Alex Stalock played his ass off tonight.
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I know Chicago lost to NJ tonight, but their goalie Alex Stalock played his ass off tonight.
I couldn't watch the game but I was following along on my phone, definitely getting a little bit nervous when the score was tied or when the Devils were briefly down 1 given how much they were outshooting Chicago by.
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Nice to see the Kings right the ship a bit against Seattle last night. Hope they keep it up tonight against Vancouver.
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All right, good solid regulation win against the Canucks. That's something the Kings haven't done against the Canucks, especially in Vancouver, in ages. Playoff spot is locked. Tight race with 5 games to go for top of the Pacific. Anyone's ballgame.
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Big games tonight: Vegas at Minnesota and Arizona at Seattle. This will bring Vegas even with the Kings and Oilers in games played. Somehow Seattle still has an extra game in hand. Edmonton owns all the tiebreakers. Kings in need of revenge (i.e., a win) against Edmonton tomorrow to start off a tough and critical week of games against Edmonton, Vegas and Colorado.
It's funny looking at the schedule on ESPN.com for Thursday's games. They list the matchup, the time, the TV network and then "Tickets as low as $__." For most of the games, that number is between $12-52, but the number for the Kings at Vegas is $115, and for Leafs at Bruins, it's $143!
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Big games tonight: Vegas at Minnesota and Arizona at Seattle. This will bring Vegas even with the Kings and Oilers in games played. Somehow Seattle still has an extra game in hand. Edmonton owns all the tiebreakers. Kings in need of revenge (i.e., a win) against Edmonton tomorrow to start off a tough and critical week of games against Edmonton, Vegas and Colorado.
It's funny looking at the schedule on ESPN.com for Thursday's games. They list the matchup, the time, the TV network and then "Tickets as low as $__." For most of the games, that number is between $12-52, but the number for the Kings at Vegas is $115, and for Leafs at Bruins, it's $143!
My brother and I were trying to by playoff tickets for the B's. Most were $400.00 for the balcony the 1st round. We got lucky and found 3 tickets for $210.00 a piece. So now my bother, young nephew and I are going to game 2 of the 1st round.
They've really priced out the real fans.
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Big games tonight: Vegas at Minnesota and Arizona at Seattle. This will bring Vegas even with the Kings and Oilers in games played. Somehow Seattle still has an extra game in hand. Edmonton owns all the tiebreakers. Kings in need of revenge (i.e., a win) against Edmonton tomorrow to start off a tough and critical week of games against Edmonton, Vegas and Colorado.
It's funny looking at the schedule on ESPN.com for Thursday's games. They list the matchup, the time, the TV network and then "Tickets as low as $__." For most of the games, that number is between $12-52, but the number for the Kings at Vegas is $115, and for Leafs at Bruins, it's $143!
My brother and I were trying to by playoff tickets for the B's. Most were $400.00 for the balcony the 1st round. We got lucky and found 3 tickets for $210.00 a piece. So now my bother, young nephew and I are going to game 2 of the 1st round.
They've really priced out the real fans.
My stepson and I have been doing the same thing for the regular season and the best we could do was the Easter Sunday game IN PHILLY! It's really expensive. Fun, but expensive. The problem is, we like to watch the game, so it's not really just about the "atmosphere". Some seats just don't let you really immerse in the game.
EDIT: And the worst thing is, it seems that the days of paper tickets - and thus standing outside and picking up a set cheap after the puck drops - are over.
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Big games tonight: Vegas at Minnesota and Arizona at Seattle. This will bring Vegas even with the Kings and Oilers in games played. Somehow Seattle still has an extra game in hand. Edmonton owns all the tiebreakers. Kings in need of revenge (i.e., a win) against Edmonton tomorrow to start off a tough and critical week of games against Edmonton, Vegas and Colorado.
It's funny looking at the schedule on ESPN.com for Thursday's games. They list the matchup, the time, the TV network and then "Tickets as low as $__." For most of the games, that number is between $12-52, but the number for the Kings at Vegas is $115, and for Leafs at Bruins, it's $143!
My brother and I were trying to by playoff tickets for the B's. Most were $400.00 for the balcony the 1st round. We got lucky and found 3 tickets for $210.00 a piece. So now my bother, young nephew and I are going to game 2 of the 1st round.
They've really priced out the real fans.
My stepson and I have been doing the same thing for the regular season and the best we could do was the Easter Sunday game IN PHILLY! It's really expensive. Fun, but expensive. The problem is, we like to watch the game, so it's not really just about the "atmosphere". Some seats just don't let you really immerse in the game.
EDIT: And the worst thing is, it seems that the days of paper tickets - and thus standing outside and picking up a set cheap after the puck drops - are over.
I've heard about folks hanging out and checking at the box office 15 minutes or so before the game starts to catching seats for media or VIPs that are released shortly before puck drop. Full price, but better than resale prices.
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I'm not driving 75 minutes to take a chance to get a ticket.
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Sigh...Kings let Edmonton man-handle them all game last night. Edmonton was stronger, faster and better in every phase of the game. There were a few times where there'd be some pushing after the whistle, and the Kings just took it and skulked away. Hard to believe that the absence of Fiala, Anderson and Vilardi could make THAT much difference. This gives me very little hope for the likely first round re-match against Edmonton.
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As a Bruins fan, I'm generally confident of their chances their off season, provided they get past Toronto in the 2nd round. Obviously, Vegas is good, and a healthy Avs team if they get decent goaltending would be tough, but increasingly, the one team that I do not want to see in the Finals would be Edmonton.
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As a Bruins fan, I'm generally confident of their chances their off season, provided they get past Toronto in the 2nd round. Obviously, Vegas is good, and a healthy Avs team if they get decent goaltending would be tough, but increasingly, the one team that I do not want to see in the Finals would be Edmonton.
When you have a guy where your reasonable goal is to hold them to two points or less - a statement made by Billy Jaffe before not the last game with Edmonton, but the one before - you're playing with fire in a finite series.
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Defensively, the Kings has been the best they've been this season in this stretch, which is interesting given that they were horrible at the start of the year. That said, offensively, as the good playoff teams are clamping down on their end, and without some offensive firepower in Fiala and Vilardi (their power play has been lacking without those guys), Kings are going to have their struggles scoring. Their top 6 (aside from Arvidsson whose been great) needs to get going.
Edmonton is catching fire at the right time. Stuart Skinner should be their guy in net for the playoffs. Heck, I'm hoping Oilers win the division at their current pace (I think they have the easier schedule than Kings and Golden Knights) and the Kings should take their chances against the Golden Knights.
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As much as I'd love to see the Oil win the Pacific, I'm not holding out much hope. Even when Vegas loses (which isn't often), they still manage to grab a Bettman point. With 4 games left it'll be hard to close the 3 point gap. Edmonton's ROW is the only thing that still provides a faint glimmer of hope.
The first round is what scares me most heading into the playoffs. It's just too wild with all the players jacked up on adrenaline, and the amped up place. I like Edmonton's chances against any team in the West if they can make it out of the LA series. Edmonton has definitely been on fire lately, but here's hoping they haven't peaked a touch too early.
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As a Bruins fan, I'm generally confident of their chances their off season, provided they get past Tampa Bay in the 2nd round. Obviously, Vegas is good, and a healthy Avs team if they get decent goaltending would be tough, but increasingly, the one team that I do not want to see in the Finals would be Edmonton.
FTFY. We all know Toronto chokes again. ;)
I hope the Wings finish strong, but not so strong they fall out of the Connor Bedard sweepstakes. If the Wings somehow luck into the number 1 pick and draft him, I think that makes the Wings a playoff team next year. Putting Bedard with all of the other young talent on the Wings will make them dangerous for sure.
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Bedard is going to Montreal.
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I just need Bedard to not go to Anaheim, San Jose, and Chicago. Columbus would be great. Him and Laine and Gaudreau could wreck havoc if all is healthy and if the rest of the Blue Jackets roster can figure itself out.
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I just need Bedard to not go to Anaheim, San Jose, and Chicago. Columbus would be great. Him and Laine and Gaudreau could wreck havoc if all is healthy and if the rest of the Blue Jackets roster can figure itself out.
I would also add Montreal, Philadelphia, and Arizona to that list. Vancouver, too. All of those teams are varying degrees of dumpster fire. I think the worst one would be Chicago, by far. That organization hasn't done nearly enough penance for the fuckery that went on during their Cup runs.
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Devils have been all over the place lately. Blown out by the Islanders last Monday and followed it up with a tightly contested win in a likely playoff preview against the Rangers on Thursday. Dominating performance against Chicago on Saturday followed by maybe our worst game of the year versus the Jets on Sunday. The only highlight from that Winnipeg game was finally scoring with like 13 seconds left to keep our streak of not being shut out this season alive. All it took was one day off and we were back in form with a dominant win over Pittsburgh last night.
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Laugher of a game last night, 8-1 over Columbus and both Jack and Timo just missed on potential hat tricks in the 3rd period. Michigan also lost in the college playoffs, which means that Luke Hughes will be joining the team this weekend. That's right, there's about to be two of them :hat
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And you know for sure that at some point in whatever amount of time if things aligned well, the Devils will want Quinn from the Canucks.
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So who won that Bruins/Leafs game last night?
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So who won that Bruins/Leafs game last night?
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Swayman stole it. The B's were flat for 2 periods last night.
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So who won that Bruins/Leafs game last night?
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Swayman stole it. The B's were flat for 2 periods last night.
True that. But they never let it get out of hand. Getting tired of Pastrnak stepping up in OT like that, after all the bad mouthing I've been giving him over the last two months. :) :) :) :)
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I just want them to be healthy for the playoffs. It's going to be a battle.
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I just want them to be healthy for the playoffs. It's going to be a battle.
it will be; but we're well positioned. Most of the playoff teams have two solid lines and are piecing together the rest. We have four lines that are playing well, and that's with two guys that are important components still out (Taylor Hall and Nick Foligno). There are going to be very good players on the B's roster that won't suit up for the playoffs. That's a great spot to be in.
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Looks like Taylor is ready to play. Right now, Foligno is wearing a no contact tee at practice.
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Kraken make the playoffs in their 2nd season! :metal :metal :metal
It's been a good few months for Seattle sports.
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So who won that Bruins/Leafs game last night?
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Swayman stole it. The B's were flat for 2 periods last night.
The Bruins got a gift penalty call on Reilly in OT. I'm not saying it wasn't hooking by definition, but to me, it was more of a stick check, and as a hockey fan, I don't want to see that called in OT.
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And you know for sure that at some point in whatever amount of time if things aligned well, the Devils will want Quinn from the Canucks.
There's been a lot of joking about wanting to complete the whole set ever since we drafted Luke, but unless Quinn decides to sign on a discount once he's a free agent in 2027 I don't see it happening. Too expensive to trade for given we have a strong pipleline of defense prospects that should be ready in the next year or two.
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So who won that Bruins/Leafs game last night?
:) :) :) :) :)
Swayman stole it. The B's were flat for 2 periods last night.
The Bruins got a gift penalty call on Reilly in OT. I'm not saying it wasn't hooking by definition, but to me, it was more of a stick check, and as a hockey fan, I don't want to see that called in OT.
It's funny. I was texting and missed the penalty. Lol
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So who won that Bruins/Leafs game last night?
:) :) :) :) :)
Swayman stole it. The B's were flat for 2 periods last night.
The Bruins got a gift penalty call on Reilly in OT. I'm not saying it wasn't hooking by definition, but to me, it was more of a stick check, and as a hockey fan, I don't want to see that called in OT.
It's funny. I was texting and missed the penalty. Lol
It was text silence last light. I figured I'd have heard from you and/or Chad. I just figured you were watching a show. lol
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We got home late from seeing my dad. Got home in the second period.
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So who won that Bruins/Leafs game last night?
:) :) :) :) :)
Swayman stole it. The B's were flat for 2 periods last night.
The Bruins got a gift penalty call on Reilly in OT. I'm not saying it wasn't hooking by definition, but to me, it was more of a stick check, and as a hockey fan, I don't want to see that called in OT.
That's being called all around; Krejci got one of those a game or two ago. It was a clean stick check, but because it rode up a little (not even to the other guys' hands) the whistle blew.
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A month ago i never would have imagined edmonton winning the western conference (regular season). Seeing them just 2pts back of Vegas with 2 games to go is not only exciting, but also quite shocking. I thought they were going to be more like Seattle (i.e. likely making the playoffs but battling to the end for a wildcard).
I like the Oilers' odds of making the cup final. They're playing much better this season that last when they made the wcf, and a third of the roster is having career years. Vegas is still going to be a tough out in the 2nd round, but I'm not really scared about Dallas or Colorado coming out of the Central
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GGs Boston fans. I think we're all surprised the game ended 2-1 after how quickly it was 2-1 :lol
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Very chippy, up and down game. I love those types of games.
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Congrats Stadler on your winter college sports Connecticut sweep!
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Powers out in my neighborhood so I’m in Anaheim for Ducks/Avs. In the nosebleeds with a center view on the Ducks side. Either I see the Ducks get clobbered or the Avs have a lower chance at winning the division and the Kings have a lower chance to end up drawing Avs in round 1.
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One win in 2 games to set the record for most points ever for the B's. I told my brother my hate for the Habs is making me think I want a tie with the Caps Tuesday so the B's can beat the Habs record in Montreal. Lol
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I'd be fine with them forfeiting the games and giving the entire team some rest.
Or just call up the entire Providence Bruins team. They'd probably beat Montreal anyway. :lol
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Well, they say quite a few tonight and I'd assume they'll switch out some except Bergeron and Krejci.
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Well, that was a fun watch. MacKinnon and Rantanen must have looked back on their play against the Kings yesterday and think, "We can't go scoreless two games in a row," and thus took it out on the Ducks. They were a thrill to watch in everything they did. Ducks had people thinking they may win it in regulation 4-2, but nope, Avs converted on two PPs late in the 3rd and never looked back. The Ducks' goalie, Lukas Dostal, did everything he could to make that game winnable, but not meant to be on this day. That's a shame.
I only wished Cale Makar was in that game, because I know he's also a thrill to watch live, and because the Avs' PP was lacking during the 1st without him. If he comes back in Game 1 of playoffs, going to be a tough obstacle to get through the Avs. If the Kings do draw them, could be doable, but they need everything and I mean everything they got at their disposal (including getting Vilardi and Fiala back) to get the offensive punch to counterpunch the Avs.
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A month ago i never would have imagined edmonton winning the western conference (regular season). Seeing them just 2pts back of Vegas with 2 games to go is not only exciting, but also quite shocking. I thought they were going to be more like Seattle (i.e. likely making the playoffs but battling to the end for a wildcard).
I like the Oilers' odds of making the cup final. They're playing much better this season that last when they made the wcf, and a third of the roster is having career years. Vegas is still going to be a tough out in the 2nd round, but I'm not really scared about Dallas or Colorado coming out of the Central
I don't know how Edmonton and Vegas would match up against each other, but based on my observations over the past couple weeks, Edmonton is either a much better team or playing much better right now (i.e., peaking at the right time). They've got everything going that is needed to win in the playoffs. IMO, the only "x factor" that might keep them out of the SCF is an injury or their unproven goalies.
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Well...the Kings beat Vancouver pretty handily last night, but the managed to botch things up to the point that they don't control their own destiny.
The Kings will finish either 3rd or 4th in the Pacific. They're 2 points up on Seattle with 1 game left (Anaheim), and Seattle has 2 (both against Vegas tonight and Thursday). If both teams gain all points available in their remaining games, they'll finish with 104 points each, and Seattle owns the tiebreaker.
I almost hope Seattle leapfrogs the Kings. I'd rather play Colorado or Dallas in the first round than Edmonton.
Just looking at what's set in stone, and it looks like the only matchup that's set is Toronto/Tampa in the Atlantic Division. Boston has the Atlantic clinched, and either the Kings or Seattle will be WC1 in the west, but none of the other division titles or wild cards are clinched.
Edmonton at Colorado tonight will be an interesting watch.
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If the Kings fall into the first wild card spot, that would mean Seattle would win against the Golden Knights in those games. If the Avs win the Conference season title, wouldn't that mean the Kings might face the Golden Knights instead if Vegas win the Pacific division title? I know, for certain, for the Kings to avoid facing the Oilers, the Oilers needs to win the Pacific Division (and maybe the Western Conference season title).
So I think for today, I may be rooting for a Oilers win and a Kraken win and see how that shapes up on Thursday.
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Well, there it is. 133 points. Play the callups from the Providence B's and get ready for the 1st round.
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WTF happened to Ullmark??
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Slid across the crease. Something wasn't right. He played on. A few minutes later he pulled himself out of the game. Not sure what happened.
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Devils hit a bunch of milestones with a strong win against Buffalo tonight. Most importantly, we locked up home ice in the first round (with still a chance to win the division on Thursday). We also tied both the franchise record for wins in a season and the league record for single season point improvement. Jack Hughes broke the franchise points record with a late ENG, and two goals earlier from Tomas Tatar gave us a team with six 20 goal scorers for the first time since I think 2002. So happy to be excited about playoff hockey again :hat
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Oh boy with today's results, this is what could happen in the Pacific.
If the Oilers beat the Sharks in the final game, and the Golden Knights lose in regulation against the Kraken on Thursday, the Oilers will clinch the Western Conference and play the Jets. Then if the Kings lock any point against the Ducks, they will be locked into 3rd in the Pacific and will play against either the lower of Golden Knights or Oilers. If the Kings do lose in regulation against the Ducks and the Kraken wins the final game, the Kings will get bumped into the 1st Wild Card spot and may get Avs or Stars.
Not really locked whose going to play who in the playoffs at Game 81 for most teams at this point. Pretty intriguing stuff.
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Oh boy with today's results, this is what could happen in the Pacific.
If the Oilers beat the Sharks in the final game, and the Golden Knights lose in regulation against the Kraken on Thursday, the Oilers will clinch the Western Conference and play the Jets. Then if the Kings lock any point against the Ducks, they will be locked into 3rd in the Pacific and will play against either the lower of Golden Knights or Oilers. If the Kings do lose in regulation against the Ducks and the Kraken wins the final game, the Kings will get bumped into the 1st Wild Card spot and may get Avs or Stars.
Not really locked whose going to play who in the playoffs at Game 81 for most teams at this point. Pretty intriguing stuff.
As a fan of the Kings, would you rather play your way out of the Pacific or out of the Central?
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Well, I would handle losing to the Avs or Stars better than losing to the Oilers or Golden Knights. That being said, no matter where the Kings will be placed, people will see the team as the underdog in the matchup, which is fine. It's just, I would feel more confident in them playing against the Oilers or Golden Knights if they have someone like Vilardi or Fiala back and get as much potential offense as possible. As much they can do all the things they can think about neutralizing McDavid/Draisaitl or the Golden Knights depth, those teams will eventually find a way to break through and find the net. Kings needs as much offense as possible the other way to stand a chance to win a series against those two teams. That's probably what will define their playoffs.
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If the Kings fall into the first wild card spot, that would mean Seattle would win against the Golden Knights in those games. If the Avs win the Conference season title, wouldn't that mean the Kings might face the Golden Knights instead if Vegas win the Pacific division title? I know, for certain, for the Kings to avoid facing the Oilers, the Oilers needs to win the Pacific Division (and maybe the Western Conference season title).
Seattle losing yesterday in regulation makes all this much clearer.
Kings or Seattle will be WC1 and will play the winner of the Central Division. Winnipeg is locked at WC2 and will play the winner of the Pacific Division.
The Kings and Seattle have one game remaining each, and the Kings are 2 points ahead. The Kings only need one point against Anaheim to secure the #3 spot. The only way the Kings fall to the WC spot is if they lose in regulation and Seattle wins tomorrow (regulation, OT or SO).
The Pacific Division champ will be the #1 seed in the west. Vegas controls the spot, but Edmonton could take it with a win (regulation, OT or SO) against San Jose tomorrow and a regulation loss by Vegas tomorrow against Seattle. Colorado could tie the Pacific Division champ in points, but both Vegas and Edmonton have the tiebreaker against Colorado.
Either Colorado or Dallas will win the Central and will play WC1 (either Seattle or the Kings). Both Colorado and Dallas have two games remaining. Colorado has a one point lead, but Dallas owns the tiebreaker.
As a fan of the Kings, would you rather play your way out of the Pacific or out of the Central?
I feel much better against any of the top 4 Central Division teams than against Vegas or Edmonton. That said, I don't see anyone in the west beating Edmonton in a 7-game series.
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If the Kings fall into the first wild card spot, that would mean Seattle would win against the Golden Knights in those games. If the Avs win the Conference season title, wouldn't that mean the Kings might face the Golden Knights instead if Vegas win the Pacific division title? I know, for certain, for the Kings to avoid facing the Oilers, the Oilers needs to win the Pacific Division (and maybe the Western Conference season title).
Seattle losing yesterday in regulation makes all this much clearer.
Kings or Seattle will be WC1 and will play the winner of the Central Division. Winnipeg is locked at WC2 and will play the winner of the Pacific Division.
The Kings and Seattle have one game remaining each, and the Kings are 2 points ahead. The Kings only need one point against Anaheim to secure the #3 spot. The only way the Kings fall to the WC spot is if they lose in regulation and Seattle wins tomorrow (regulation, OT or SO).
The Pacific Division champ will be the #1 seed in the west. Vegas controls the spot, but Edmonton could take it with a win (regulation, OT or SO) against San Jose tomorrow and a regulation loss by Vegas tomorrow against Seattle. Colorado could tie the Pacific Division champ in points, but both Vegas and Edmonton have the tiebreaker against Colorado.
Either Colorado or Dallas will win the Central and will play WC1 (either Seattle or the Kings). Both Colorado and Dallas have two games remaining. Colorado has a one point lead, but Dallas owns the tiebreaker.
As a fan of the Kings, would you rather play your way out of the Pacific or out of the Central?
I feel much better against any of the top 4 Central Division teams than against Vegas or Edmonton. That said, I don't see anyone in the west beating Edmonton in a 7-game series.
Colorado could still win the West which would put WC1 vs. Pacific winner. If both Edmonton and Vegas lose Thursday, combined with Colorado winning both their remaining games, I think that puts the Avs atop the West. They'd be tied for pts and ROW with Vegas, but would have more wins. I think wins is the next tie breaker before head to head record or goal differential.
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Even if the Avs win both games on hand in regulation and tie the Golden Knights in pts. at 109, that would give the Avs 36 regulation wins compared to the Golden Knights 37 regulation wins. Golden Knights would win the tiebreaker. That's the 1st tiebreaker.
Per the standings page at the NHL website,
If two or more clubs are tied in points during the regular season, the standing of the clubs is determined in the following order:
The fewer number of games played (i.e., superior points percentage).
The greater number of games won, excluding games won in Overtime or by Shootout (i.e., "Regulation Wins"). This figure is reflected in the RW column.
The greater number of games won, excluding games won by Shootout. This figure is reflected in the ROW column.
The greater number of games won by the Club in any manner (i.e, "Total Wins"). This figure is reflected in the W column.
The greater number of points earned in games against each other among two or more tied clubs. For the purpose of determining standing for two or more Clubs that have not played an even number of games with one or more of the other tied Clubs, the first game played in the city that has the extra game (the "odd game") shall not be included. When more than two Clubs are tied, the percentage of available points earned in games among each other (and not including any "odd games") shall be used to determine standing.
The greater differential between goals for and against (including goals scored in Overtime or awarded for prevailing in Shootouts) for the entire regular season. This figure is reflected in the DIFF column.
The greater number of goals scored (including goals scored in Overtime or awarded for prevailing in Shootouts) for the entire regular season. This figure is reflected in the GF column.
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Interesting. I guess edmonton sewered the Avs chances of winning the West last night lol. I always thought ROW was the first tie breaker, but it makes sense they'd weigh regulation wins more heavily. That's what i get for not bothering to check the official tie break rules on nhl.com
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Colorado could still win the West which would put WC1 vs. Pacific winner. If both Edmonton and Vegas lose Thursday, combined with Colorado winning both their remaining games, I think that puts the Avs atop the West. They'd be tied for pts and ROW with Vegas, but would have more wins. I think wins is the next tie breaker before head to head record or goal differential.
Nope. The best Colorado can do is 109 points. If Colorado wins both remaining games and Vegas earns 0 points in tomorrow's game, the two teams will be tied in points, but Vegas owns the first tiebreaker, which is regulation wins. Vegas currently has 37 and Colorado has 34, so Colorado can't catch Vegas. Likewise, if Edmonton also ends up at 109 points, they own the RW tiebreaker over both Vegas and Colorado (currently at 44). ROW only comes into play if the teams are tied in both points and RW.
Interestingly (although not at all relevant for playoff seeding), Edmonton and Seattle are the only 2 teams in the NHL with 0 SO wins.
Edit...swopped by Anguyen!
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Yeah.... Edmonton's record in extra time is abysmal this season. You'd think they'd excel in the 3 on 3 format given they throw McDavid and Draisaitl out together. Certainly not the case
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Yeah.... Edmonton's record in extra time is abysmal this season. You'd think they'd excel in the 3 on 3 format given they throw McDavid and Draisaitl out together. Certainly not the case
Looks like Edmonton has been pretty good at avoiding OT altogether. If I'm doing the math right, they've only had 14 games go to OT and are 5-5 in OT and 0-4 in shootouts. I didn't run numbers for everyone else, but that seems like a really low number of non-regulation outcomes.
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Well, the ‘Canes win seems to have locked in all other options in the East. Now let’s see how the West shakes out.
Kraken are at home and if we pull the upset and LA loses to the Ducks, we’ll get a proper playoff spot (not that it really matters) and Edmonton will have a shot at 1st.
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Wildcard is a legit playoff spot. Used to be top 8 straight up, with division winners getting top 3 seeds in each conference. Only but the nhl in the ass once (i think?) where a division winner finished with the 9th best record in their conference.
Even in the wc position, you're top 8 in the West. This isn't some joke playoff play-in tourney
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Speaking of Wild Cards, the Bruins are going to play Florida. I would've preferred the Islanders, that's for sure.
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We’re actually saying the same thing. I understand it really is a legit spot. When I said “not that it really matters” I was just facetiously addressing the fact that there isn’t any real difference between the top 3 playoff spots and the “wild card”. It’s a difference in title only. They are all playoff spots and I’m actually pretty stoked to be in.
Now it’s just a matter of sorting out who we play.
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Hughes to Hughes for the OT winner to break the Devils wins and points records. 20 years from now we're going to be talking about putting a statue of Ellen Hughes up outside the arena :hat
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We’re actually saying the same thing. I understand it really is a legit spot. When I said “not that it really matters” I was just facetiously addressing the fact that there isn’t any real difference between the top 3 playoff spots and the “wild card”. It’s a difference in title only. They are all playoff spots and I’m actually pretty stoked to be in.
Now it’s just a matter of sorting out who we play.
Ah gotcha! You're still relatively new on this thread, so i wasn't sure if you were like the MLB purists who despise the expanded playoffs, and only see the pennant winners as 'real playoff' spots earned
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But then again… the title “wild card” does make it sound like they are “2nd rate” teams when that’s not necessarily the case.
It just makes the other 6 spots sortof like being in the RNRHOF. When you’re not in, it’s no big deal. But when you DO get in, it kinda feels like a big deal. :lol
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UGH! What is ESPN doing to the puck? I’m watching the Kings/Ducks, and when LA went on the power play, they put a “tracer” on the puck.
Anyone remember when they tried highlighting it in yellow back in the 90s?
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People hate the puck tracer thing when teams go on the PP. It's too distracting and makes us think someone broke a stick. When Bally was incorporating it in their broadcasts recently, Kings fans and even journalists like Helene Elliott of the LA Times, was like, "No. Remove that please," and they actually did and Kings broadcasts don't have to see that thing anymore. Wait, are you watching it on ESPN+ through the Ducks broadcasts? The Ducks still have that thing?
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Apparently.
And ya I’m watching the Ducks broadcast. I’d rather hear the announcers from the team I’m rooting for. :angel:
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Well, Edmonton did their part. Fingers crossed the Kraken can pull their shit together
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Well, Edmonton did their part. Fingers crossed the Kraken can pull their shit together
If the Kings keep up what they are doing, it won’t matter to the Kraken.
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^^ Yeah, but I don't want the Kings to play the Oilers and it would be nice if the Oilers win the Conference title in the McDavid/Draisaitl era after the run those guys had.
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You only had one job and that was just to win one game in regulation, Seattle, in two shots to not let the Golden Knights win the Conference Title. Couldn't make that work for all of us to be happy about and now the Western pairings are as follows.
Golden Knights vs Jets
Oilers vs Kings
The higher of the Avs or Stars vs Kraken
The lower of the Avs or Stars vs Wild
If the Avs lose in any fashion in their final game against the Predators, they will face the Wild and the Stars will get the Kraken. If the Avs win, it would be Avs vs Kraken, Stars vs Wild.
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And the shots were 31-19 in favor of Seattle.
And that first Vegas goal was practically an own goal. Just in the sheer amount of missed opportunities…that one hurt.
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Apparently.
And ya I’m watching the Ducks broadcast. I’d rather hear the announcers from the team I’m rooting for. :angel:
Pro tip for the future (and I know I'm biased, but every survey on the subject bears me out): John Ahlers and Brian Hayward are one of the worst broadcast teams in the NHL.
And the shots were 31-19 in favor of Seattle.
And that first Vegas goal was practically an own goal. Just in the sheer amount of missed opportunities…that one hurt.
Reasonable minds may differ, but I think you guys are FAR better off against Dallas or Colorado.
The Kings at least have Mikey Anderson back, and that will make a huge difference against Edmonton. If we can get at least 2 of the other 3 injured players back, then we might have a chance. I'd really rather not have another year where we say, "yeah, but just think what might have been if everyone had been healthy...."
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I, too, would not want to have another playoff loss where they blame it on injuries. That's a losing mentality. I would prefer if they get Vilardi and Fiala back just to help balance the power play lines better and help their offense more which is going to have to be a key factor for the playoff series against the Oilers. As I said before, there's only going to be a limited amount of time they can do all they can to stop McDavid before McDavid is going to breakthrough and torch them in his ways. The offensive punchback needs to be there for the Kings. Vilardi almost seems ready to go for game one. Been skating in the red non-contact jersey in practices this week.
And yes, Brian Hayward is the worst. For the people that may not like Faust and Fox for the Kings broadcasts, those people haven't heard Brian Hayward. I had the audio off so I wasn't listening to either broadcasts, but when I was listening to the recap from the Hockey Guy, he mentioned that Hayward kept saying that Kopitar's goal should not be allowed because he played it with a high stick and his stick was above the crossbar. A. Apparently, that rule is applied if the goal is tipped in with a high stick, above the crossbar, which it wasn't. and B. when Kopitar settled the puck down before getting it in, he played it at shoulder height and had his stick horizontal which is fine.
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And yes, Brian Hayward is the worst. For the people that may not like Faust and Fox for the Kings broadcasts, those people haven't heard Brian Hayward. I had the audio off so I wasn't listening to either broadcasts, but when I was listening to the recap from the Hockey Guy, he mentioned that Hayward kept saying that Kopitar's goal should not be allowed because he played it with a high stick and his stick was above the crossbar. A. Apparently, that rule is applied if the goal is tipped in with a high stick, which is wasn't. and B. when Kopitar settled the puck down before getting it in, he played it at shoulder height and had his stick horizontal which is fine.
I cannot fathom folks not liking Faust and Fox. On the Kopitar goal, Fox called it immediately. He said it was NOT a situation where the stick had to be at or below the height of the crossbar (and he noted that Kopi's stick almost certainly was above crossbar height). He said that's the rule when the puck goes directly into the net, which wasn't what happened here. He immediately noted that the rule applicable in that situation was the rule that applies any time the puck is played with a high stick. It's shoulder height. They had a replay that was almost exactly from ice level, and Fox said he thought the goal would count, but he noted that Toronto might have other angles, so he reserved judgment. Not surprisingly, when the ref made the call, he explained it almost word for word what Fox had said.
This video pretty much sealed the deal with Hayward as a douchenozzle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8_ZuWEtjQ8 Sadly, they didn't do a follow-up after the Kings won 2 of the next 3 Cups.
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And yes, Brian Hayward is the worst. For the people that may not like Faust and Fox for the Kings broadcasts, those people haven't heard Brian Hayward. I had the audio off so I wasn't listening to either broadcasts, but when I was listening to the recap from the Hockey Guy, he mentioned that Hayward kept saying that Kopitar's goal should not be allowed because he played it with a high stick and his stick was above the crossbar. A. Apparently, that rule is applied if the goal is tipped in with a high stick, which is wasn't. and B. when Kopitar settled the puck down before getting it in, he played it at shoulder height and had his stick horizontal which is fine.
I cannot fathom folks not liking Faust and Fox. On the Kopitar goal, Fox called it immediately. He said it was NOT a situation where the stick had to be at or below the height of the crossbar (and he noted that Kopi's stick almost certainly was above crossbar height). He said that's the rule when the puck goes directly into the net, which wasn't what happened here. He immediately noted that the rule applicable in that situation was the rule that applies any time the puck is played with a high stick. It's shoulder height. They had a replay that was almost exactly from ice level, and Fox said he thought the goal would count, but he noted that Toronto might have other angles, so he reserved judgment. Not surprisingly, when the ref made the call, he explained it almost word for word what Fox had said.
This video pretty much sealed the deal with Hayward as a douchenozzle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8_ZuWEtjQ8 Sadly, they didn't do a follow-up after the Kings won 2 of the next 3 Cups.
They're horrible. Maybe not as horrible as a duo that doesn't know their hockey, but it's like Jammin' says: if you're going to listen to homers, it might as well be YOUR homers (and that's not a great example; there was an example in the Oilers game where Anderson was hurt that WAS a judgement call, and they just couldn't allow for an outcome that wasn't in favor of the Kings).
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I wanted 5 and an ejection on McDavid on that hit, but that's just not happening two minutes into the game. That's nearly the same thing he did to Kempe around late 2021 and he got ejected and the Kings made the Oilers pay with three power play goals on the major.
No matter, naturally, it has to come to this. Another playoff series against the Oilers. No matter what happened in all of the events during the regular season series, it's about getting it done in the playoffs. For those that says Gl, you're going to need it. I'm saying, "Not as much as you..... Brother."
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Man, the NHL is dumb. Connor McDavid is the guy who they should be trying to market, yet every Kings/Oilers game is on super late to where only people on the west coast will be able to see their games. Even the games next weekend on Friday and Sunday are on super late. Not sure why the Sunday game couldn't be an afternoon game...oh, that's right, because the East Coast teams are all that anyone cares about apparently.
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Well, the Leafs ended the 5-game road-trip 3-2. Could've been better, but it'll do. Nine games to go, 7 points up on Tampa with one game in hand. Leafs would have to go 3-6 and Tampa go 8-0 for Tampa to gain home ice advantage. Unlikely, but mathematically it's possible.
RoR could be back as early as Wednesday against the Panthers.
Every Toronto fan of my generation remembers 1987 when the Blue Jays were up 3 1/2 games on the Tigers with 5 to go, and within a week Detroit won the AL East by 2 games.
Gibby's HR on the next to last Sunday. Trammell's extra inning game winning single in Game 161. Tanana's 1-0 masterpiece and Larry Herndon's HR in the finale. Yeah, Tiger fans won't forget that season (along with the damn Twins' wives and their whistles :censored)
I'd been waiting to chime in as to the Red Wings. I believe they were actually in 8th place around the 60 game mark, but sellers at the trade deadline. First chance at a winning season since 2016, and they lose their last five games. :facepalm: In Stevie Y, We Trust <fingers crossed>
Hockey barely gets mentioned in Maryland, and when the Caps get eliminated (too) early every year but one over the past ten plus, the sport becomes nonexistent.
Good luck to those who still have a team in the hunt.
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Man, the NHL is dumb. Connor McDavid is the guy who they should be trying to market, yet every Kings/Oilers game is on super late to where only people on the west coast will be able to see their games. Even the games next weekend on Friday and Sunday are on super late. Not sure why the Sunday game couldn't be an afternoon game...oh, that's right, because the East Coast teams are all that anyone cares about apparently.
The East Coast rules!!!
No, Kev, I totally get your point. Aggravating.
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The schedule makes perfect sense. They're trying to avoid overlap between the East and West coast games, likely due to contractual obligations with the TV rights holders among other reasons. They also need to balance this with the local markets. They can't start weekday games at 6pm MST or they risk having plenty of empty seats at the start of the game.
The easy answer would be starting the East games at 6 EST, but then you have the same problem in local markets. The simple fact is that you can't have teams play across 3 time zo es without some degree of issue
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Man, the NHL is dumb. Connor McDavid is the guy who they should be trying to market, yet every Kings/Oilers game is on super late to where only people on the west coast will be able to see their games. Even the games next weekend on Friday and Sunday are on super late. Not sure why the Sunday game couldn't be an afternoon game...oh, that's right, because the East Coast teams are all that anyone cares about apparently.
The East Coast rules!!!
No, Kev, I totally get your point. Aggravating.
I get his point too, and I'd like to see those games as well, but the fact is, the East Coast games DO draw more. I don't have this season numbers, but last season Edmonton and LA were, what, 22 and 23 in average attendance? EVERY Bruin away game (and it's the same for the Rangers) there's a meaningful percentage of Bruins jerseys in the crowd. Hell, at most AWAY games there's a "LET'S GO BRUINS" cheer at some point during the game.
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Average attendance is skewed though by seating capacity. Pretty well every single oilers game is a sell out, but the arena only seats 18k for hockey. The boggest difference is that an overwhelming majority of the population lives in the east. I don't know the exact number, and am too lazy to look it up, but i wouldn't bat an eye if some told me 70% of the US/Canada population is in the eastern timezone.
One interesting fact i learned about Canada's population is that 90% (i.e. 33M of the 36M) live within 100 miles of the US border. That means half of the folks who don't live within that 100 mile range live in the metro Edmonton area (pop ~1.5M)
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Average attendance is skewed though by seating capacity. Pretty well every single oilers game is a sell out, but the arena only seats 18k for hockey. The boggest difference is that an overwhelming majority of the population lives in the east. I don't know the exact number, and am too lazy to look it up, but i wouldn't bat an eye if some told me 70% of the US/Canada population is in the eastern timezone.
One interesting fact i learned about Canada's population is that 90% (i.e. 33M of the 36M) live within 100 miles of the US border. That means half of the folks who don't live within that 100 mile range live in the metro Edmonton area (pop ~1.5M)
WOW. That IS interesting; i didn't know that. Huh.
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Gutsy win by the Kings. Never gave up. However, from a neutral point of view the Oilers completely dropped the ball on that one and handed the game over.
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The Kings committed highway robbery this game. Things looked really bleak after the first two periods and makes me think, "This reminds me of last year's series where the Kings just don't have enough offensive oomph in their game. That's why they went out and got Kevin Fiala to help that area, but he's injured for God only knows how long." After Kopitar and Kempe was quiet through last year's series, it's nice when they were the ones that had to drag the team to force OT. It also helps that they got some timely PPs that they were able to convert after going 0 for 4 and then converting on the last two.
I don't expect this series to go in this trend and I know McDavid (he had no pts. this game. Draisaitl had two goals and was very effective 5v5 against Kopitar's line) and co. will be pissed enough to come roaring in game two.
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Wild win it. Both goalies were huge. I can’t stand either of those teams so if there’s a way neither win the series I’d like to see it.
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This Wild/Stars series will go the distance and with goalies like these? Got to be ready for the long haul in these games.
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I couldn't stay up for either of the late games, although I did see some of the Wild/Stars game, but love seeing OT games!
I did see Pavelski get knocked out of the game by what looked to be a clean hit (officials reviewed it and changed it from a major to nothing). Gotta keep your head on a swivel.
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I did see Pavelski get knocked out of the game by what looked to be a clean hit (officials reviewed it and changed it from a major to nothing). Gotta keep your head on a swivel.
It was admittedly a tough call but I don't think they got it right. Dumba committed to the hit after Pavelski had already passed the puck, so I wouldn't have considered him to be in possession at that point (a.k.a. interference). These kinds of dangerous hits shouldn't be in the game, playoffs or not.
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I think the real damage happened after his head ricocheted off the ice. I am no doctor but I don't have to be, he's concussed. I mean that was a Tua incident.
One of the bigger problems I had was he needed a stretcher. I realize it's a tough guy's game but let's be real.
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Also, going back to the scheduling thing. I find it really perplexing that the Stars/Wild game started at around 8:30 PM their time. This game didn't end until 1 AM CST.
Also, today's games doesn't really make sense from a scheduling perspective. Golden Knights and Jets in Vegas at 6:30 PM PST. Avs/Kraken at 7 PM in Colorado. Since Colorado is Mountain time, wouldn't it better if the two games switched times to accommodate the live crowds?
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Gutsy win by the Kings. Never gave up. However, from a neutral point of view the Oilers completely dropped the ball on that one and handed the game over.
The Kings committed highway robbery this game.
Agree. The Kings were outplayed for at least the first two periods. They failed to take advantage of a bunch of power play opportunities. On the other hand, they shut down McD, and that counts for a lot. They need make it count by playing better tomorrow because I have no doubt the Oilers will.
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Idiot me stayed up and watch both OT games. didn't go to bed until after 2am.
So, Edmonton was 19-0-1 in their last 20 games, and then promptly blow TWO 2-goal leads in the 3rd period. :facepalm: Reminds me of the '93 Bruins .... finished the season 18-2 in the final 20 games, the promptly get swept with MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAAAAAAYDAAAAAAAY! (hard to believe he pulled that move on Ray-fucking-Borque!).
Oettinger got caught in an indecisive moment ... he subtly lurched forward to maybe poke-check the puck before Hartman got there, realized he wasn't going to get it, then lost his anchor foot against to post and couldn't push off laterally. Tough break, as he'd been a stone-wall otherwise.
Let's see if Evason has the balls to stick to the 'tandem' goaltending that made them so successful, and put Flower in for Game 2.
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Idiot me stayed up and watch both OT games. didn't go to bed until after 2am.
So, Edmonton was 19-0-1 in their last 20 games, and then promptly blow TWO 2-goal leads in the 3rd period. :facepalm: Reminds me of the '93 Bruins .... finished the season 18-2 in the final 20 games, the promptly get swept with MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAAAAAAYDAAAAAAAY! (hard to believe he pulled that move on Ray-fucking-Borque!).
Oettinger got caught in an indecisive moment ... he subtly lurched forward to maybe poke-check the puck before Hartman got there, realized he wasn't going to get it, then lost his anchor foot against to post and couldn't push off laterally. Tough break, as he'd been a stone-wall otherwise.
Let's see if Evason has the balls to stick to the 'tandem' goaltending that made them so successful, and put Flower in for Game 2.
Yeah....I watched them as well. There is NOTHING like playoff hockey, I'm sorry to those of you who enjoy others sports as well. But those playoff games and format and championships are all a distant second to NHL Hockey playoff games and the Stanley Cup.
Edmonton had every chance to bury that game and lock down for the 'W'.....kudos to the Kings for being a pain in the a$$ and keeping their focus and effort going.
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I did see Pavelski get knocked out of the game by what looked to be a clean hit (officials reviewed it and changed it from a major to nothing). Gotta keep your head on a swivel.
It was admittedly a tough call but I don't think they got it right. Dumba committed to the hit after Pavelski had already passed the puck, so I wouldn't have considered him to be in possession at that point (a.k.a. interference). These kinds of dangerous hits shouldn't be in the game, playoffs or not.
Okay, but you are allowed to hit the guy after he passes or shoots the puck, and I think the hit was within a reasonable time after Pavelski released the puck and not a late hit. It was pretty close, I get it, and I was a little surprised when he got no penalty at all for the hit, as I thought the nasty fall might result in them giving a "the hit resulted in an injury" penalty.
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League isn't going to review it. They just announced it and Kev is right. He just passed it and got hit right after he released it.
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It's going to be OK, Chad. It's just one game.
At least that's what Oilers fans are trying to believe.
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Chippy game with some weak calls on both sides. The biggest takeaway is how the Rangers smothered the Devils all game. New Jersey’s only goal was on a penalty shot after yet another weak penalty call, but beyond that, the Devils had a hard time getting any separation, and when they did, Igor worked his magic alongside the Rangers skaters getting a few key blocked shots. Obviously this series is far from over, but I liked what I saw in the first game other than the refs being too involved.
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Jingle, I haven't seen anything, but based on the scoresheet and what I've read, not really the greatest of starts for the Leafs. That's easily a "forget everything that went wrong and move on," kind of game.
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Welp, I can't wait for the Devils playoff series to start on Thursday :lol
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Considering it’s my first ever NHL playoff game, I’m just happy to be up 2-1 in the first game and playing so well.
I probably shouldn’t jinx it, but right now, even if we lose, I feel happy with the way that we are playing.
And what’s up with the Jets leading the Knights?
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WOW!! 7 beats 2, and 8 beats 1!!! On the road!!!
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Well done, Kraken. You have won your first playoff game in your franchise history against the defending cup champions and it was a pretty decisive win. The Kraken was on top of everything and one step ahead of the Avs throughout the game. Grubauer looked good in the win.
So far, 2-6 for the home teams in Game 1 and out of the 6 teams, I think two of them should feel good about their Game 1s to not let the loss affect them for the rest of the series. Everyone else? What the heck was that? Especially the Golden Knights. They looked really flat against the Jets.
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WOW!! 7 beats 2, and 8 beats 1!!! On the road!!!
It's not as unusual as you might think.
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I did see Pavelski get knocked out of the game by what looked to be a clean hit (officials reviewed it and changed it from a major to nothing). Gotta keep your head on a swivel.
It was admittedly a tough call but I don't think they got it right. Dumba committed to the hit after Pavelski had already passed the puck, so I wouldn't have considered him to be in possession at that point (a.k.a. interference). These kinds of dangerous hits shouldn't be in the game, playoffs or not.
Okay, but you are allowed to hit the guy after he passes or shoots the puck, and I think the hit was within a reasonable time after Pavelski released the puck and not a late hit. It was pretty close, I get it, and I was a little surprised when he got no penalty at all for the hit, as I thought the nasty fall might result in them giving a "the hit resulted in an injury" penalty.
Look, I saw the hit and while I hate seeing players go down, with no dog in that hunt I struggled to see how that wasn't good hard hockey. It was a LITTLE high, maybe, but no higher than a handful of hits over the last week or so. I watched the stick and it was up but I didn't see any contact with the stick. In the first Bruins game, Marchand had his pituitary gland removed by a stick and no call. I think it's part of the officiating these days in the NHL. It's a fast game; they miss a fair amount.
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Bergeron out again tonight.
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Bergeron out again tonight.
Yup. I was hoping to see him play live, one more time.
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Bergeron out again tonight.
Yup. I was hoping to see him play live, one more time.
He probably wouldn't recognize you anyway, with your Bruins jacket all zipped up and all. ;D
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I'll be the dot in the balcony. Lol
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Bergeron out again tonight.
Yup. I was hoping to see him play live, one more time.
He probably wouldn't recognize you anyway, with your Bruins jacket all zipped up and all. ;D
HAHAHAHA
I bought my Krejci jersey today. Woo hoo.
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Just found this tweet/video from Monday in Edmonton: https://twitter.com/miketgould/status/1648211260805386241 . Hope the person who threw the bottle is still sitting in jail.
And then there's this guy:
(https://i.imgflip.com/7iqzk7.jpg)
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C'mon, lighten up, Francis. I draw the line at banging on the glass or throwing shit - those people should be expelled from the arena with prejudice - but if you're going to wear a hockey helmet to a game to begin with, you're not to be taken seriously. What's a little trash talking in the form of a middle finger? We'll all live.
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I don't care about the birds; I just think the meme is funny.
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C'mon, lighten up, Francis. I draw the line at banging on the glass or throwing shit - those people should be expelled from the arena with prejudice - but if you're going to wear a hockey helmet to a game to begin with, you're not to be taken seriously. What's a little trash talking in the form of a middle finger? We'll all live.
Wait…banging on the glass isn’t allowed? How long has that been a thing?
I mean, anything thrown on the ice at all (with the exception of post game seafood) should be a permanent ban all the way around. But I always thought banging on the glass was just part of the game.
The rowdies at the “Boone Street Barn” in Spokane (WHL team) used to do that all the time back in the 90s. That and heckling the visiting team’s penalty box was half the fun. It was almost like a professional wrestling crowd.
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You sitting with Charlie Jacobs?
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C'mon, lighten up, Francis. I draw the line at banging on the glass or throwing shit - those people should be expelled from the arena with prejudice - but if you're going to wear a hockey helmet to a game to begin with, you're not to be taken seriously. What's a little trash talking in the form of a middle finger? We'll all live.
Wait…banging on the glass isn’t allowed? How long has that been a thing?
I mean, anything thrown on the ice at all (with the exception of post game seafood) should be a permanent ban all the way around. But I always thought banging on the glass was just part of the game.
The rowdies at the “Boone Street Barn” in Spokane (WHL team) used to do that all the time back in the 90s. That and heckling the visiting team’s penalty box was half the fun. It was almost like a professional wrestling crowd.
Banging on the glass is allowed. I think it's a bit of a douche move, but it's a big whatever to me. If you're wearing a helmet to sit in the crowd, you may as well have a giant, flashing "douchebag" sign over your head. :lol
Also, very nice, King! Go Broons!
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You sitting with Charlie Jacobs?
I hear Gary Betman is here. I hope they put him on the jumbotron so we can boo,. Lol
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Maybe it was just because I was 20 and always ended up in the “rowdy section”.
The other thing the whole section would do is verbally add the cymbal clashes to the Star Spangled Banner.
Singer: Oooooohhhhh say can you seeeeeeee
Section 12: “CHHHHHSSSSSHHHH”
Singer: Byyyyyy the dawns early liiiiggghhttt
Section 12: “CHHHHHHHSSSSSSHHHH”
It seems a little juvenile now I suppose.
Sometimes the visiting kid in the penalty box (remember the WHL players are between 16-20) would threaten to climb the glass. (Which I’ve heard did happen on one occasion, but not that I ever saw)
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So many turnovers by the B's tonight. Easy scoring not touched at all. Panthers the aggressor tonight and it's paid off.
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Well, that was pretty rough. The Kings got nothing going for like 30 minutes while the Oilers was coasting with two quick goals in the first. The Kings have the fightback to tie the game, but they need to be on the ball and show that they can be on point from start to finish if they have a shot at this series. Only held McDavid to a point (an assist) this series after two games, so that's a good sign. Unfortunately, Draisaitl has 5 so far and he's been the more problematic guy to deal with so far in the series. I guess it's also a positive sign that the Kings can be in it in this game 2 than last year's 6-0 debacle of a game 2.
It's a shame these games start so late. This is going to be a great series and I think it's going to go long. Unfortunately, Game 3 is this Friday and I got a ticket to see Gojira and Mastodon at the Forum the same day, so I will mull it over whether or not to sell the ticket.
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You absolutely go see Mastodon and Gojira. That's a solid double bill.
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I stayed up for most of the 1st period of Kings/Oilers, but my need for sleep won out over playoff hockey. Damn late starts.
Bummer you guys got a loss in the game for which you had tickets, Joe, but I am sure the Bruins will bounce back. Home ice advantage is fiction in the SC playoffs anyway.
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I felt bad for my nephew, Kev. Man, the b's had at least 4 turnovers that lead to goals.
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I felt bad for my nephew, Kev. Man, the b's had at least 4 turnovers that lead to goals.
I hear ya, but best he learn now at a young age that the NHL playoffs can often equal misery. :P :lol
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So true. Lots of F bombs around us last night. Lol
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Maybe it was just because I was 20 and always ended up in the “rowdy section”.
The other thing the whole section would do is verbally add the cymbal clashes to the Star Spangled Banner.
Singer: Oooooohhhhh say can you seeeeeeee
Section 12: “CHHHHHSSSSSHHHH”
Singer: Byyyyyy the dawns early liiiiggghhttt
Section 12: “CHHHHHHHSSSSSSHHHH”
It seems a little juvenile now I suppose.
Sometimes the visiting kid in the penalty box (remember the WHL players are between 16-20) would threaten to climb the glass. (Which I’ve heard did happen on one occasion, but not that I ever saw)
I like how they yell "STARS!" in Dallas during the anthem.
Banging on the glass is not illegal; I always found it a douche move, though, especially when the play is right there. Anyone who's ever played hockey and blew out an edge because of something on the ice would tell you it's not just a douche move, but outright dangerous. You can blow out a groin pretty easy; very painful.
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The Kings doomed themselves with a shitty start...again. They got lucky on the two goals. They need to play a full 60 minutes on Friday and Sunday.
I loathe the Stars fans thing during the Anthem. Never heard the cymbal crash thing, but both are pretty disrespectful.
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The Kings doomed themselves with a shitty start...again. They got lucky on the two goals. They need to play a full 60 minutes on Friday and Sunday.
I loathe the Stars fans thing during the Anthem. Never heard the cymbal crash thing, but both are pretty disrespectful.
I think it's dumb we play anthems before non-Olympic sporting events to begin with. Especially in the case of the NHL where, especially in games between American teams, most of the players are from other countries.
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The Kings doomed themselves with a shitty start...again. They got lucky on the two goals. They need to play a full 60 minutes on Friday and Sunday.
I loathe the Stars fans thing during the Anthem. Never heard the cymbal crash thing, but both are pretty disrespectful.
I think it's dumb we play anthems before non-Olympic sporting events to begin with. Especially in the case of the NHL where, especially in games between American teams, most of the players are from other countries.
Well that shows what a crappy Stars fan that I am, I never knew they did this but I agree, I hate that the National Anthem is played in the first place. No need for it but if you do it, leave the players in the locker room like it use to be.
That said, I lovbe the fact that the crowd yells out Stars, totally harmless. :metal
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I do really like the presentation before the National Anthems for the Edmonton games where they have a video of Chief Willie Littlechild say a small speech in the team recognizing the land that they play is on the territory of First Nations tribes.
"The recognition of our history on this land is an act of reconciliation and we honor those who walk with us,"
https://www.facebook.com/Oilers.NHL/videos/pre-game-land-acknowledgment/475849247012078/
https://www.nhl.com/news/oilers-honor-indigenous-cultures/c-327477738
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CHRIS F'N KREIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Life is pain.
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The Kings doomed themselves with a shitty start...again. They got lucky on the two goals. They need to play a full 60 minutes on Friday and Sunday.
I loathe the Stars fans thing during the Anthem. Never heard the cymbal crash thing, but both are pretty disrespectful.
Re: the cymbal crash during the anthem- As I said, this was a minor league team, and for some god forsaken reason there was just this one entire section (right near the penalty box) where all the rowdies knew they’d be among their own. I’m not exaggerating when I said it was like a wrestling crowd. It’s like most of the section were there to watch a fight on the ice and be trolls. I’ve never seen that behavior before or since, and some fans in the other sections gave us all the evil eye…but it wasn’t just one or two guys. It was a congregation of trolls and we weren’t causing any damage or anything else you could legally persecute us for. Just being generally obnoxious. And as I’ve said in another thread, when I was between the ages of 19-21, irritating others was a form of sport.
I have changed a lot in 30 years.
Banging on the glass was a little different. I seem to recall just about everyone who had a glass seat would bang the glass if a scrum developed right in front of them. It seemed fairly harmless and didn’t seem like it caused any harm. It’s an attempt to irritate or otherwise get in the opposing teams head. Though I don’t think it’s any more successful than waiving your hands behind the basket during a free throw.
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CHRIS F'N KREIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
He will be the last New York Ranger to ever wear the number 20. He is the heart and soul of this team.
Also, Vladimir Tarasenko is the best veteran player acquisition the Rangers have made since Mika Zibanejad.
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CHRIS F'N KREIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
He will be the last New York Ranger to ever wear the number 20. He is the heart and soul of this team.
Also, Vladimir Tarasenko is the best veteran player acquisition the Rangers have made since Mika Zibanejad.
He is and has always been a beast in the playoffs. Not just stats wise either. He comes to play for sure!
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CHRIS F'N KREIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
He will be the last New York Ranger to ever wear the number 20. He is the heart and soul of this team.
Also, Vladimir Tarasenko is the best veteran player acquisition the Rangers have made since Mika Zibanejad.
He is and has always been a beast in the playoffs. Not just stats wise either. He comes to play for sure!
I’m ready to start a GoFundMe so the Rangers can afford to resign him.
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CHRIS F'N KREIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
He will be the last New York Ranger to ever wear the number 20.
Really?
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CHRIS F'N KREIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
He will be the last New York Ranger to ever wear the number 20.
Really?
Luc Robitaille, but he was only there two seasons. Otherwise, there aren't a lot of standout names there.
Ed Slowinski 1951-1953
Aldo Guidolin 1953-1956
Phil Goyette 1964-1969
Dunc McCallum 1966
Jack Egers 1970-1974
Juha Widing 1970
Gene Carr 1972
Curt Bennett 1973
Greg Polis 1975-1979
Cam Connor 1980-1983
Claude Larose 1980-1982
Jan Erixon 1984-1993
Mark Osborne 1995
Luc Robitaille 1995-1997
Brian Skrudland 1998
Todd Harvey 1999
Radek Dvořák 2000-2003
P.J. Stock 2000
Jozef Balej 2004
Pascal Rhéaume 2004
Steve Rucchin 2006
Jason Krog 2007
Fredrik Sjöström 2008-2009
Vinny Prospal 2010-2011
Chris Kreider 2013-2023
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My high school hockey number was 20.
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Such a lame BS penalty call against the Oilers there. It’s the playoffs….give me a break.
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My high school hockey number was 20.
If only you'd played for the Rangers.
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Night of fortune for LA. Gift PP goal and not having that OT goal overturned was lucky as well. Could have and maybe should have been reversed.
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Night of fortune for LA. Gift PP goal and not having that OT goal overturned was lucky as well. Could have and maybe should have been reversed.
Could - yes. Should - not really. There wasn't anything that clearly showed there was high-stick contact.
The Leafs CBC games have had Derek Lalonde (Detroit head coach; former ass't to Jon Cooper) on their intermission panels. Regarding inGame 1, and the Bolts' 5th goal that was upheld (which, was lame ... I still fail to see how the puck A) crossed the line, and B) if it did - the only way it crossed is if Perry pushed Samsonov's pad across the line with the puck), Lalonde made the perfect comment "In today's game, the league wants to keep goals on the board as much as possible". In reviews, it has to be completely conclusive to take a goal back.
I think the slash was a slash - the Kings player had his stick broken. There's lots of other calls to beef about, but the Kings have had the fortune to convert both of their OT PPs. Edmonton has trailed for a total of 7 minutes in the series - and are down 2-1.
I still think it's a 7-game series.
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I figured it was going to be Oilers in 6. I just thought it would be LA always clawing back into the series, and not the other way around. Need a win Sunday. I don't want the oil to be in a situation needing 3 straight wins.
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It's still going to be a long series. I have seen the sites like Moneypuck and other analytical-based sites that confirms that the Oilers are winning the expected goals battles, you can see they have been pounding the Kings physically and lighting up Korpisalo with shots.
I rather have the Kings take it down in regulation rather than need a fortuitous PP in OT to win it, but got to take the goals how you can get them. Now there's going to be that lingering feeling that the Oilers are going to be pissed and want to smoke the Kings in the next game. The Oilers haven't done that so far this season and series and they feel like they need to deliver what they think the Kings deserve in that end.
At least, this is good improvement from last year's Games 2 and 3 and I'll take these kinds of games rather than getting smoked 6-0 and 8-2.
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Night of fortune for LA. Gift PP goal and not having that OT goal overturned was lucky as well. Could have and maybe should have been reversed.
Could - yes. Should - not really. There wasn't anything that clearly showed there was high-stick contact.
The Leafs CBC games have had Derek Lalonde (Detroit head coach; former ass't to Jon Cooper) on their intermission panels. Regarding inGame 1, and the Bolts' 5th goal that was upheld (which, was lame ... I still fail to see how the puck A) crossed the line, and B) if it did - the only way it crossed is if Perry pushed Samsonov's pad across the line with the puck), Lalonde made the perfect comment "In today's game, the league wants to keep goals on the board as much as possible". In reviews, it has to be completely conclusive to take a goal back.
I think the slash was a slash - the Kings player had his stick broken. There's lots of other calls to beef about, but the Kings have had the fortune to convert both of their OT PPs. Edmonton has trailed for a total of 7 minutes in the series - and are down 2-1.
I still think it's a 7-game series.
Not that slash where the dudes stick was broken. The BS ‘unsportsmanlike’ they gave Draisaitl after McDavids second goal. He gave Doughtery a tap on the ankle as he skated past him and they called it a penalty. Something that happens after every scrum or whistle. Kings scored on the PP.
I have no skin in the game for either team so it makes no difference to me. I’m just saying the Kings had the fortune in that game. You need that type of luck to win the Cup due to how hard it is to win it.
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Oh, yeah …. That one was horseshit.
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Just watched the highlights of the 2OT game between the Jets and Knights. What a heartbreaking loss for Winnipeg.
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The Kraken look terrible.
I’m not expecting to win the series, but I was hoping for a home ice win in our first playoff appearance
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Just need to string a few minutes of a couple of good positive shifts and all of a sudden we got a tie game in Seattle.
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Just need to string a few minutes of a couple of good positive shifts and all of a sudden we got a tie game in Seattle.
That was a shock! And a bit of a bummer….because I walked away because the dog needed out for the first one. Then after they scored that, I desperately had to use the bathroom thinking they would never score again THAT fast. I ended up missing both goals. :facepalm: But that’s ok. I’m happy to be tied heading into the third. Just hope we can keep up the momentum.
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So much for that.
Maybe I’m jinxing it by watching?? :lol :lol
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The Leafs had no business winning that game. They were manhandled by the Bolts in the 2nd, and most of the third. But O'Reilly and Samsonov pulled that W out for them. Along with Acciari getting the opening goal, that trade with the Blues won that game for them. It's nice to see the Leafs can win a game like that - where Tampa brought their A-game, and the Leafs brought their B-game.
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Despite their insane regular season, tough draw for the Bruins in Round 2. They'll either get the Lightning, whose recent playoff success goes without saying, or the Leafs, who are talented enough to easily make a deep run if they can finally get over the 1st round mental hurdle.
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Relieved to see the Devils get on the board in this series last night. Tough fought game and we got some bonus hockey.
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Despite their insane regular season, tough draw for the Bruins in Round 2. They'll either get the Lightning, whose recent playoff success goes without saying, or the Leafs, who are talented enough to easily make a deep run if they can finally get over the 1st round mental hurdle.
By round 2 regular season really is out the window. Both teams are ‘confident’ and in playoff mode. It comes down to mistakes…..not making them and capitalizing on them.
Winner of that matchup will most likely be the Eastern Team in the Cup final.
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Despite their insane regular season, tough draw for the Bruins in Round 2. They'll either get the Lightning, whose recent playoff success goes without saying, or the Leafs, who are talented enough to easily make a deep run if they can finally get over the 1st round mental hurdle.
By round 2 regular season really is out the window. Both teams are ‘confident’ and in playoff mode. It comes down to mistakes…..not making them and capitalizing on them.
Winner of that matchup will most likely be the Eastern Team in the Cup final.
I also feel like a team from the Atlantic will make the finals.
I picked the Leafs to win the Cup last year and then again this year.
Don't know what to make of Tampa. They just weren't "the same" this year. But I definitely respect them. Still I do think Toronto with beat them.
The Bruins are going to need Bergeron to get healthy though. They can beat Florida without him, but they ain't going any further without him.
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They have been lacking on faceoffs without him. I do think they can win without him. Thst game 2 loss was a wakeup call. They can't coast like the regular season. Also the 2 goals given up in game 3, was a reminder as well.
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I'd say it's 45% Bruins; 40% Hurricanes; 15% the field.
Not sure what to make of the west yet.
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The Kraken look terrible.
I’m not expecting to win the series, but I was hoping for a home ice win in our first playoff appearance
Kraken similar to the Avs this year....they actually play better on the road.
What's scary to think is that until Game 3 the stars of the Avalanche were quiet. But they seemed to have solved Grubauer, who played well in the first two games.
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Let's wrap it up at home on Wednesday B's, and watch the Leafs/Lightning beat each other up.
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I'd say it's 45% Bruins; 40% Hurricanes; 15% the field.
Not sure what to make of the west yet.
I can't take them seriously without Svechnikov, and now Teräväinen. Honestly, the Rangers look like the most dangerous team from the Metro.
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I'd say it's 45% Bruins; 40% Hurricanes; 15% the field.
Not sure what to make of the west yet.
I can't take them seriously without Svechnikov, and now Teräväinen. Honestly, the Rangers look like the most dangerous team from the Metro.
Yeah, the Rangers look good.
Remember the Canes are playing the worst team to make the playoffs.
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Yeah, they've had some big injuries.
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One period down....
Kings are a completely different team with Anderson, Vilardi and Fiala in the lineup.
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One period down....
Kings are a completely different team with Anderson, Vilardi and Fiala in the lineup.
That was ugly for the Oilers.
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The Oilers got down 3-0 on purpose to make the comeback all the more painful for Kings fans ;)
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I'm not going to make any excuses. I knew when the game hit 3-0 that the Oilers are going to mount a comeback charge. I just wished the Kings had enough to hold on with 3 minutes left in the 3rd. Not meant to be for today. So Jack Campbell starts Game 5? He saved the Oilers hides and looked good the rest of the way.
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It will be interesting to see who Woodcroft puts between the pipes tomorrow night. Gutsy win by the Oil.
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They have been lacking on faceoffs without him. I do think they can win without him. Thst game 2 loss was a wakeup call. They can't coast like the regular season. Also the 2 goals given up in game 3, was a reminder as well.
Well, certainly Bergeron makes them better; he might be the most complete player in the league, even at his age. The problem of course is that Krejci is out too, so you have TWO first line-capable centers sitting on the bench. Charlie Coyle is playing out his ass (14-19 on face-offs yesterday, I think) but it drops off pretty quickly after that.
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I'm not going to make any excuses. I knew when the game hit 3-0 that the Oilers are going to mount a comeback charge. I just wished the Kings had enough to hold on with 3 minutes left in the 3rd. Not meant to be for today. So Jack Campbell starts Game 5? He saved the Oilers hides and looked good the rest of the way.
I think he goes back to Skinner. I don't know if there's enough confidence in Campbell.
I was very glad to see the Oil make it out of that 3rd period. The team looked awful. They couldn't make a pass to break out, and were giving up grade A chances all over.
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They have been lacking on faceoffs without him. I do think they can win without him. Thst game 2 loss was a wakeup call. They can't coast like the regular season. Also the 2 goals given up in game 3, was a reminder as well.
Well, certainly Bergeron makes them better; he might be the most complete player in the league, even at his age. The problem of course is that Krejci is out too, so you have TWO first line-capable centers sitting on the bench. Charlie Coyle is playing out his ass (14-19 on face-offs yesterday, I think) but it drops off pretty quickly after that.
I think Nosek actually has the best Face Off % in the league, but simply didn't qualify with number of faceofs taken.
Coyle has been great, and Zacha/Frederic/Foligno just have to try and even out.
Krejci was killing them when he was in so the best thing they can do is to keep him out at this point.
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Playing with a lead has been a problem for the Kings all season long. Kings outplayed the Oilers for 2/3 periods and earned a tie. OT was pretty even. I think both teams have to regard tomorrow as a "must win" game.
I've been following the game day thread on the Oilers page on Reddit. It's a source of much amusement. I didn't go back after the start of the second period last night, but it felt like half the population of Edmonton was jumping ship after the first.
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Playing with a lead has been a problem for the Kings all season long. Kings outplayed the Oilers for 2/3 periods and earned a tie. OT was pretty even. I think both teams have to regard tomorrow as a "must win" game.
I've been following the game day thread on the Oilers page on Reddit. It's a source of much amusement. I didn't go back after the start of the second period last night, but it felt like half the population of Edmonton was jumping ship after the first.
That sub is a gong show most days lol. I try to avoid it as much as possible. In fact, that's my general philosophy with Reddit as a whole. It boils my blood reading the nonsense people put on there
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Anything people want to talk their mouths off about this series is just whatever. I've been mentally going into this series saying, "I'm not going to get into a war of words or bemoan anything that goes wrong for the Kings." Get the series win how they get them is the main goal at hand. If anything goes awry for whatever reasons be it external or internal, it's what it is.
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Maybe I watched a different game, or I wasn't paying attention (possibly true; my step son and I won a Music Trivia event at our local restaurant) but I felt like if I was Edmonton - or a fan of Edmonton - I'd be pissed at the analysis; I did not think they got outplayed in the first two periods, even with the score what it was. I was not impressed with the Kings' game last night.
Funny thing, not related: I was at a bar, so the TV had captions on. EVERY time they said Draisaitl's name, the captions said something different. I am not making these up: Recycler; Tricycle, Dr. Seidel, Drive Cycle. There was a fifth, but I forget what it was now. I just thought that funny (I also think he's arguably playing the best right now on that team. Big fan).
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Everything was cool, playing wise, for the Kings for the 1st period, then it wasn't cool in the 2nd, and then it was ok in the 3rd after the 4-3 lead before the Evander Kane tying goal.
And yes, I'm putting Leon Draisaitl as the series MVP so far. He's been on the ice for all 14 goals that the Oilers scored. He's even more scary to deal with than McDavid, this series, and McDavid is a scary player to go against.
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Maybe I watched a different game, or I wasn't paying attention (possibly true; my step son and I won a Music Trivia event at our local restaurant) but I felt like if I was Edmonton - or a fan of Edmonton - I'd be pissed at the analysis; I did not think they got outplayed in the first two periods, even with the score what it was. I was not impressed with the Kings' game last night.
My vote is that you weren't paying attention, because you're too smart to have watched that and thought that the analysis was off. The Oil played mediocre (at best) in the 1st, and when they did get some decent chances, Korpisalo stoned them (plus, a couple of pucks off the pipes). Defensively, they were terrible; offensively they were ok.
Like the Leafs the night before, they were the 2nd best team on the ice, and the OT victory was robbery.
Draisaitl has been the best player of any of the 16 teams - by a fair margin.
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Maybe I watched a different game, or I wasn't paying attention (possibly true; my step son and I won a Music Trivia event at our local restaurant) but I felt like if I was Edmonton - or a fan of Edmonton - I'd be pissed at the analysis; I did not think they got outplayed in the first two periods, even with the score what it was. I was not impressed with the Kings' game last night.
My vote is that you weren't paying attention, because you're too smart to have watched that and thought that the analysis was off. The Oil played mediocre (at best) in the 1st, and when they did get some decent chances, Korpisalo stoned them (plus, a couple of pucks off the pipes). Defensively, they were terrible; offensively they were ok.
Like the Leafs the night before, they were the 2nd best team on the ice, and the OT victory was robbery.
Draisaitl has been the best player of any of the 16 teams - by a fair margin.
I'm not saying the Oilers were great, I'm just saying that it was a more even game than some of the analysis. I'm frankly not that impressed with either team, to be honest. As a Bruins fan, I'm far more worried about the Stars than either the Kings or the Oilers.
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Everything was cool, playing wise, for the Kings for the 1st period, then it wasn't cool in the 2nd, and then it was ok in the 3rd after the 4-3 lead before the Evander Kane tying goal.
And yes, I'm putting Leon Draisaitl as the series MVP so far. He's been on the ice for all 14 goals that the Oilers scored. He's even more scary to deal with than McDavid, this series, and McDavid is a scary player to go against.
Definitely agree about Draisaitl. Seems to me that the Kings have made it a focus not to let McD beat them. Mission accomplished so far, but they've been focusing so much on McD that "pissy" Leon is running around virtually unchecked. Not sure if that's fixable. We'll see.
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I thought Edmonton was decent through 2 periods, and lucky they escaped the 3rd tied. I haven't looked at any of the advanced stats yet, nor have I read any analysis, so I can't speak for what the pundits had to say about the game.
I think every team should be afraid of Edmonton. They have the top 2 offensive players on the planet right now. At any point they can turn up ice and score a goal. No other team has 3 100 point players, or 2 50 goal scorers. You'd be foolish to take them lightly.
Considering LA was ahead of the Oilers in the standings for a good chunk of the season, I'm not surprised how the series has gone so far. I think Edmonton has been the better team overall, but they certainly aren't dominating. If it weren't for the ridiculous run to end the regular season, Edmonton could just as easily been playing from the WC position.
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Getting a Devils W for my birthday :hat
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Wow, no lead is safe against the Leafs!
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Wow, no lead is safe against the Leafs!
No kidding. I looked at my youngest when TB went up 4-1 and said “Welp…..this game is over”. Boy was I wrong.
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Well, I can take some solace in the fact that the Kings won't be the only team this first round that had a 3 goal lead and lost the game in OT. Holy crap, did the Leafs do that? The Leafs. Actually rose to the occasion and won it in OT?
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Epic comeback by the Leafs!
jammindude, remember when we told ya how meaningless home ice was in the SC playoffs? The home team is now 11-19 so far in the playoffs.
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These are the kinds of games that the Leafs usually lose in the exact manner that they won. They were not the better team for the first 40 minutes. But holy shit did they turn it on in the 3rd.
Now … hopefully they’ve given the Bolts a severe case of the yips.
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I picked the Leafs in my bracket and they are actually doing what I would have hoped. That first game was bad, but man, they finally get over the hump of the first round and they could be really dangerous.
Edit: Just checked, 5-0-3 in the first round thus far, with 5 teams I picked ahead, and 3 series tied. Could easily be 4-0-4 by the end of the night if Colorado loses their game and series goes to a tie.
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Had Howden missed that empty net goal at the end I think Stone would have made it so his ass got left in Winnipeg.
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Many firsts. Now my first playoff OT.
I hate the way the Kraken play when I start watching!
Anyone else have the experience where you miss parts of the game, and the parts you missed are the only times they are dominating??
When I first tuned in we were up 2-0 and shots were 28-12. But all I’ve seen is a team that has played pretty scrappy…but mostly on their heels.
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Anyone else have the experience where you miss parts of the game, and the parts you missed are the only times they are dominating??
For me this year it wasn't parts of games, but just games in general. I swear if I didn't watch a Red Wings game they were 3x as likely to win it.
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Congrats to the Kraken! First home playoff win! Makes it a series…..gutsy win!
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Many firsts. Now my first playoff OT.
I hate the way the Kraken play when I start watching!
Anyone else have the experience where you miss parts of the game, and the parts you missed are the only times they are dominating??
When I first tuned in we were up 2-0 and shots were 28-12. But all I’ve seen is a team that has played pretty scrappy…but mostly on their heels.
Now you can scratch first Kraken OT winner and first Kraken home game playoff win. And there's going be at least a Game 6 in Seattle.
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I SAW THAT!!!!
:lhk:
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I picked the Leafs in my bracket and they are actually doing what I would have hoped. That first game was bad, but man, they finally get over the hump of the first round and they could be really dangerous.
Edit: Just checked, 5-0-3 in the first round thus far, with 5 teams I picked ahead, and 3 series tied. Could easily be 4-0-4 by the end of the night if Colorado loses their game and series goes to a tie.
I'm assuming that's your win/loss; how are you counting that? How do you have ties? Am I misunderstanding?
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I picked the Leafs in my bracket and they are actually doing what I would have hoped. That first game was bad, but man, they finally get over the hump of the first round and they could be really dangerous.
Edit: Just checked, 5-0-3 in the first round thus far, with 5 teams I picked ahead, and 3 series tied. Could easily be 4-0-4 by the end of the night if Colorado loses their game and series goes to a tie.
I'm assuming that's your win/loss; how are you counting that? How do you have ties? Am I misunderstanding?
With Colorado losing now 4 series are tied (and thus my picks in those series are as well) while the 4 other teams I picked are all ahead in their series. Doesn't mean it'll end that way, just leaning nicely for now.
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While it's a bummer when your team isn't in the playoffs.....it makes watching these games so much more enjoyable in a way. I am 'pulling' for a couple teams due to former Blues players and just buddies but just being able to watch without the 'stress' of it all is a relief.
It looks inevitable that Toronto and the Bruins are going to face each other int he second round though. That's two of the teams I'm pulling for due to Joe, Tim and Chad. So....'if' that matchup happens I may have to default to 'former Blues players' and Toronto would eek out my loyalty.
I don't really have a team I 'like' in the West. I have teams I don't like....The AVs and Dallas. Any of the others I'd be perfectly fine with seeing them make a run.
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While it's a bummer when your team isn't in the playoffs.....it makes watching these games so much more enjoyable in a way. I am 'pulling' for a couple teams due to former Blues players and just buddies but just being able to watch without the 'stress' of it all is a relief.
I always used to say that now that the Bruins are out, I can finally sit back and enjoy the playoffs.
I've been dreading the 2nd round series all year.
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While it's a bummer when your team isn't in the playoffs.....it makes watching these games so much more enjoyable in a way. I am 'pulling' for a couple teams due to former Blues players and just buddies but just being able to watch without the 'stress' of it all is a relief.
I always used to say that now that the Bruins are out, I can finally sit back and enjoy the playoffs.
I've been dreading the 2nd round series all year.
And my buddy told be I've become negative. He should posts like this. :lol
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While it's a bummer when your team isn't in the playoffs.....it makes watching these games so much more enjoyable in a way. I am 'pulling' for a couple teams due to former Blues players and just buddies but just being able to watch without the 'stress' of it all is a relief.
It looks inevitable that Toronto and the Bruins are going to face each other int he second round though. That's two of the teams I'm pulling for due to Joe, Tim and Chad. So....'if' that matchup happens I may have to default to 'former Blues players' and Toronto would eek out my loyalty.
I don't really have a team I 'like' in the West. I have teams I don't like....The AVs and Dallas. Any of the others I'd be perfectly fine with seeing them make a run.
Toronto: Hold my beer.
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I picked the Leafs in my bracket and they are actually doing what I would have hoped. That first game was bad, but man, they finally get over the hump of the first round and they could be really dangerous.
Edit: Just checked, 5-0-3 in the first round thus far, with 5 teams I picked ahead, and 3 series tied. Could easily be 4-0-4 by the end of the night if Colorado loses their game and series goes to a tie.
I'm assuming that's your win/loss; how are you counting that? How do you have ties? Am I misunderstanding?
With Colorado losing now 4 series are tied (and thus my picks in those series are as well) while the 4 other teams I picked are all ahead in their series. Doesn't mean it'll end that way, just leaning nicely for now.
Oh, oh, gotcha. I thought you were calling GAMES, but you're calling SERIES. Got it. :)
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The Rangers are doing that thing where they get my hopes up just so they can crush my dreams.
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Anyone else have the experience where you miss parts of the game, and the parts you missed are the only times they are dominating??
All of us.
All the time.
:lol
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Anyone else have the experience where you miss parts of the game, and the parts you missed are the only times they are dominating??
All of us.
All the time.
:lol
So Paul, which segment of Jeopardy should I go take a shit during?
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Many firsts. Now my first playoff OT.
I hate the way the Kraken play when I start watching!
Anyone else have the experience where you miss parts of the game, and the parts you missed are the only times they are dominating??
When I first tuned in we were up 2-0 and shots were 28-12. But all I’ve seen is a team that has played pretty scrappy…but mostly on their heels.
That is the series in a nutshell. I think the Kraken has scored first in every game. Then they give up a goal and the Avalanche just roll for awhile. Difference last night was they stayed aggressive all night, even when Rantanen scored two goals to tie. The Makar hit on McCann seemed to spark their intensity.
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Anyone else have the experience where you miss parts of the game, and the parts you missed are the only times they are dominating??
All of us.
All the time.
:lol
So Paul, which segment of Jeopardy should I go take a shit during?
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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It's only a half hour! Plan your movements accordingly. :rollin
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So, Makar will likely be getting a suspension - at least, he better. That was a brutally late and dangerous hit.
It's only a half hour! Plan your movements accordingly. :rollin
I think he was trying to coyly ask when are you going to be kicking ass.
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It's only a half hour! Plan your movements accordingly. :rollin
I think he was trying to coyly ask when are you going to be kicking ass.
Yup. Just trying to help the cause. ;D
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Agreed about Makar. How that got changed to a minor is unfathomable. That should have been a major and a game misconduct. One of the dirtiest hits I've seen in a while. Maybe the NHL really does love the Avs just that much.
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There will be a hearing about that Makar hit. It's hard to tell what the DOPS is going to do. If they suspend Makar, Stars fans may be a little mad about how Dumba's hit on Pavelski was not suspension worthy.
https://twitter.com/nhlplayersafety/status/1650846098431377415
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Anyone else have the experience where you miss parts of the game, and the parts you missed are the only times they are dominating??
All of us.
All the time.
:lol
So Paul, which segment of Jeopardy should I go take a shit during?
HAHA
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There will be a hearing about that Makar hit. It's hard to tell what the DOPS is going to do. If they suspend Makar, Stars fans may be a little mad about how Dumba's hit on Pavelski was not suspension worthy.
https://twitter.com/nhlplayersafety/status/1650846098431377415
Dumba's hit was an unfortunate result of a hockey play (using DOPS terminology). Makar's hit was not a "hockey play". That hit was as late as Hunter-Turgeon for those that remember that one.
It's pretty easy to tell the Avs fans in that twitter thread. :lol
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It's only a half hour! Plan your movements accordingly. :rollin
I think he was trying to coyly ask when are you going to be kicking ass.
Yup. Just trying to help the cause. ;D
It was still early. I just barely got it now. :lol
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Just reading that Makar was suspended for one game.
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Just reading that Makar was suspended for one game.
Good. Like Chad mentioned, it was a cheap shot and I’m glad to see he got some sort of suspension and it wasn’t explained away or overlooked.
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There will be a hearing about that Makar hit. It's hard to tell what the DOPS is going to do. If they suspend Makar, Stars fans may be a little mad about how Dumba's hit on Pavelski was not suspension worthy.
https://twitter.com/nhlplayersafety/status/1650846098431377415
Stars fans have no room to be mad since the two hits are very different.
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Just reading that Makar was suspended for one game.
Good. Like Chad mentioned, it was a cheap shot and I’m glad to see he got some sort of suspension and it wasn’t explained away or overlooked.
One game is still a joke. Bunting got 3, and despite being a shit-disturber of a player, Bunting had never been suspended before (I'm not being a homer here, his hit was worthy of 1-2 playoff games, but not 3). But, the DOPS sets the standard - three games for a check with head contact where the player is injured; but Makar gets 1 game for a brutally late hit with head contact (against the boards) where the player is injured.
Love the DOPS (in)consistency.
Like I said, this hit was just as late and unexpected as Hunter-Turgeon, and Hunter got 21 games. Now, Hunter did have a history, so there's that. 1-game probably isn't the wrong call, but coming just one week after Bunting got 3 ... the inconsistency is a joke.
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The defenses by Avs fans in that twitter feed are so awful.
"He played to the whistle." Oh, so anyone can hit anyone whether they have the puck or not until the whistle blows. Great. That should really allow teams like the Avs with a lot of skill to excel going forward.
"He didn't know he still had the puck," Oh. Using that defense, again, anyone can hit anyone, because "I didn't know he didn't have the puck!!"
Homers and all that, I get it, and Twitter, I really get that, but, damn, people are really dumb sometimes. :lol :lol :lol
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The Kings may as well have sent the Ontario Reign to Edmonton last night. Absolutely uninspired effort. I think they'll bounce back on Thursday at home, but I have a very hard time envisioning two straight wins unless Edmonton suddenly gets hit by the flu bug.
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That was really an uninspiring effort. You think after they made it 3-2, they would be still in it mentally and rally towards that. Nope. Game 6 is actually on Saturday, unless they moved the game now that the Clippers are out and the building is available. A good few extra days to reevaluate and give us something to latch to.
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That was really an uninspiring effort. You think after they made it 3-2, they would be still in it mentally and rally towards that. Nope. Game 6 is actually on Saturday, unless they moved the game now that the Clippers are out and the building is available. A good few extra days to reevaluate and give us something to latch to.
Seems most series have an extra day off around now.
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I think that was to accommodate a couple of teams that has their building occupied by NBA teams that's also in playoffs.
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I think that was to accommodate a couple of teams that has their building occupied by NBA teams that's also in playoffs.
Perhaps, but only the Avs/Kraken series does *not* have an extra day off this week. Last I checked, neither Vegas or Winnipeg have NBA games to contend with ;). And the Scotiabank Arena is sitting idle tonight.
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Fudge.
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Fudge.
I was working tonight, so literally only got to see overtime. I know Boston has two really good goalies, but damn, that was a very dumb unforced error.
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Good forecheck to cause it
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Good forecheck to cause it
Not really, it was a terrible play by Ullmark. Tonight, he looked like Sabres-era Ullmark. But man-oh-man... If Marchand had ended it with 1 second left, that would've been something.
Bobs was Blue Jackets-era Bobs tonight. He stole that one.
Go Panthers!
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Yeah, that was a horrible misplay by the Bruins goalie. As someone with no rooting interest in it, Florida winning means more hockey, so works for me. Boston will still win the series, but it will just take longer.
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Kraken's going to Seattle with a 3-2 series lead against the Avs. The Avs feels really depleted when it comes to quality depth in this stretch. Kraken looked really good in the 3rd protecting that lead. Was getting quality chances their way and not giving the Avs any before they had the 6th skater.
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I want to feel hopeful about game six, but I’ve learned very quickly that home ice in the NHL playoffs means exactly DICK.
Still excited though. This season is already a huge win for the organization. Playoffs in our 2nd season and taking the defending champs to a game six at home? I’m over the moon right now.
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Good forecheck to cause it
Not really, it was a terrible play by Ullmark. Tonight, he looked like Sabres-era Ullmark. But man-oh-man... If Marchand had ended it with 1 second left, that would've been something.
Bobs was Blue Jackets-era Bobs tonight. He stole that one.
Go Panthers!
If that Panther was not up there that quickly, there wouldn't be any issues with the mis communication between Grzelcyk and Ulmark.
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Good forecheck to cause it
Not really, it was a terrible play by Ullmark. Tonight, he looked like Sabres-era Ullmark. But man-oh-man... If Marchand had ended it with 1 second left, that would've been something.
Bobs was Blue Jackets-era Bobs tonight. He stole that one.
Go Panthers!
If that Panther was not up there that quickly, there wouldn't be any issues with the mis communication between Grzelcyk and Ulmark.
And the way he (Verhaege) played it; he didn't go right at Grizz, he backed off into the corner. Ullmark must've never even seen him, but he was positioned to do more than just tie up the puck, but also make a play on it.
Ullmark has regressed a bit going into the playoffs. When he holds his position, and stays upright, he's brilliant; when he starts to dive and flop, he gets in trouble. He's been doing more diving and flopping in this first round than he did the entire season since the Winter Classic.
Also, our $90 million man has disappeared in the playoffs. Pastrnak is playing like crap. It's like he's playing a different game plan. Thank god Taylor Hall has stepped up.
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It's funny because they've made a big deal about how Ullmark has been watching Tim Thomas videos from 2011. Well he did his best to imitate Tim Thomas' gaffe in G2 of the 2011 SCF.
Pastrnak has been fucking invisible.
Foligno was a step behind tonight too. If Frederic is healthy, I'd put him in.
Ullmark isn't right. He's not going to be able to carry the Bruins all the way.
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It's funny because they've made a big deal about how Ullmark has been watching Tim Thomas videos from 2011. Well he did his best to imitate Tim Thomas' gaffe in G2 of the 2011 SCF.
Pastrnak has been fucking invisible.
Foligno was a step behind tonight too. If Frederic is healthy, I'd put him in.
Ullmark isn't right. He's not going to be able to carry the Bruins all the way.
I fear this is truth.
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It's funny because they've made a big deal about how Ullmark has been watching Tim Thomas videos from 2011. Well he did his best to imitate Tim Thomas' gaffe in G2 of the 2011 SCF.
Pastrnak has been fucking invisible.
Foligno was a step behind tonight too. If Frederic is healthy, I'd put him in.
Ullmark isn't right. He's not going to be able to carry the Bruins all the way.
I fear this is truth.
It's one of the reasons why it was critical to get out of this series last night.
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I want to feel hopeful about game six, but I’ve learned very quickly that home ice in the NHL playoffs means exactly DICK.
Still excited though. This season is already a huge win for the organization. Playoffs in our 2nd season and taking the defending champs to a game six at home? I’m over the moon right now.
Until you get to games 6 and 7. It's not as big as in other sports, but having that game 6 at home is a big deal (he said, desperately trying to believe it in preparation for Saturday).
Anyone else surprised all 8 of the first round series are still going? This is the first year since 2016 (and only the 6th time since the turn of the century) with no first round sweeps. If Tampa and Winnipeg can win their game 5's tonight, it will be the first time since 1992 that all 8 first round series went at least 6 games (in 1992, 6 of the 8 first round series went 7 games).
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I don't think Boston has much to worry about in this round. I can't see Florida winning 3 straight against a team that had a single 3 game losing streak all season. Anything could happen, I suppose, but that seems very improbable.
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I didn't post it here at the star of the round, but my first round bracket I submitted on NHL.com was...
Bruins
Carolina
Devils
Toronto
Avalanche
Wild
Vegas
Oilers
I say this just to mention that I am currently living in a timeline where I'm 10x more worried about the Avalanche blowing this out than the Maple Leafs.
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I didn't post it here at the star of the round, but my first round bracket I submitted on NHL.com was...
Bruins
Carolina
Devils
Toronto
Avalanche
Wild
Vegas
Oilers
I say this just to mention that I am currently living in a timeline where I'm 10x more worried about the Avalanche blowing this out than the Maple Leafs.
Well, if any team can come back from 3-1, it's the Bolts, and if any team can blow a 3-1 lead, it's the Leafs. Wondering about Vasilevsky though. He's been uncharacteristically sieve-like so far.
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I didn't post it here at the star of the round, but my first round bracket I submitted on NHL.com was...
Bruins
Carolina
Devils
Toronto
Avalanche
Wild
Vegas
Oilers
I say this just to mention that I am currently living in a timeline where I'm 10x more worried about the Avalanche blowing this out than the Maple Leafs.
Well, if any team can come back from 3-1, it's the Bolts, and if any team can blow a 3-1 lead, it's the Leafs. Wondering about Vasilevsky though. He's been uncharacteristically sieve-like so far.
Vaseivelsky
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:rollin
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I didn't post it here at the star of the round, but my first round bracket I submitted on NHL.com was...
Bruins
Carolina
Devils
Toronto
Avalanche
Wild
Vegas
Oilers
I say this just to mention that I am currently living in a timeline where I'm 10x more worried about the Avalanche blowing this out than the Maple Leafs.
Well, if any team can come back from 3-1, it's the Bolts, and if any team can blow a 3-1 lead, it's the Leafs. Wondering about Vasilevsky though. He's been uncharacteristically sieve-like so far.
Vaseivelsky
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Not tonight.
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11 straight losses in series clinching games. Fuck this franchise is snakebit.
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Leafs need to win this on the road in Game 6, as their home crowd reminds me of Cubs fans 10-15 years ago in playoff games. The second anything goes wrong, they get deathly silent as if the sky is falling, and the home team senses it and plays accordingly. I was flipping back and forth between the two games. The Toronto crowd was crazy quiet for most of the 3rd, even before it was 3-1, while the NJ was super loud for the Devils/Rangers game. Granted, the Devils were winning, but still, the difference was massive.
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The Leafs just lost the series. They were lucky to get out of Tampa with one win, let alone taking both games 3 and 4. The Bolts were the better team in both those games, but just collapsed. That won't happen a 3rd time.
The only game the Leafs were the better team was the one without Headman in the lineup. They will lose on Saturday, and come back to Toronto with a massive case of the yips, and fold.
These guys just can't get it done in the post-season.
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11 straight losses in series clinching games. Fuck this franchise is snakebit.
That's an absolutely incredible stat in the worst possible way.
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Well, nothing the Jets have shown give any indication they'll turn this around in the third.
Golden Knights are set to be the first team into the second round.
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This amount of effort the Jets are showing is just as sad as the Kings' effort in their game 5. Except it's worst for the Jets since their season is on the line here. I want some heart and fire here, man.
Edit: On a side note, this is a great response from Jon Cooper. That's how you know he's in a good mood after today.
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When the Leafs opened the scoring, things seemed good. When Tampa evened it up just 26 seconds later, I knew it was over. The Leafs were just flat and couldn’t get anything going. Tampa had a killer instinct last night; Toronto did not.
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No idea why the Bruns are insisting on playing Ullmark. He's clearly not 100%. They should've gotten Swayman into the series earlier. I don't think the Bruins will win on Sunday if Ullmark plays.
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Oof.
I need to buy a bottle of Tums for Sunday.
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We just don’t have it tonight. We had some fire early on, and we’re making some decent individual defensive plays, but as a team we’re allowing them too much time in our zone. Give a team like Colorado that many chances and it doesn’t matter how many great individual plays you make. Something is going to give.
The good news is that home teams are 2-4 in this series.
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Hurricanes and Stars make it to round 2, but the Bs has not yet. Matthew Tkachuk is coming through for the Panthers in that series. I'm glad that guy is out of the Pacific division. The Leafs and Bs and the rest of the Atlantic can deal with that guy for all I care.
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Sad to see the Kraken get eliminated. They gave it a good effort against the champs. I don't see the Avs getting past Dallas - especially if Pavelski comes back.
I hope both Canadian teams can get their shit done tonight. But that would mean Tampa goes winless at home this series. I'm not sure I see that happening.
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Sad to see the Kraken get eliminated. They gave it a good effort against the champs. I don't see the Avs getting past Dallas - especially if Pavelski comes back.
I hope both Canadian teams can get their shit done tonight. But that would mean Tampa goes winless at home this series. I'm not sure I see that happening.
Already writing them off? There's still game 7 to play lol
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It's time like this I am kinda relieved the Blues missed the playoffs. It's nice being able to watch these 1st round games without any stress at all.
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Sad to see the Kraken get eliminated. They gave it a good effort against the champs. I don't see the Avs getting past Dallas - especially if Pavelski comes back.
I hope both Canadian teams can get their shit done tonight. But that would mean Tampa goes winless at home this series. I'm not sure I see that happening.
Already writing them off? There's still game 7 to play lol
Ok that makes sense. I thought they were up 3-2. Chad's post didn't make sense, unless he now thinks it's over.
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The impending annual Leafs collapse is likely causing a bit of disorientation.
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Sad to see the Kraken get eliminated. They gave it a good effort against the champs. I don't see the Avs getting past Dallas - especially if Pavelski comes back.
I hope both Canadian teams can get their shit done tonight. But that would mean Tampa goes winless at home this series. I'm not sure I see that happening.
Already writing them off? There's still game 7 to play lol
Ok that makes sense. I thought they were up 3-2. Chad's post didn't make sense, unless he now thinks it's over.
Yeah, total brain cramp. I shouldn't post until I have at least 1/2 a cup of coffee in me.
The impending annual Leafs collapse is likely causing a bit of disorientation.
There's that too.
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Unlike Chad, I still have faith in the Leafs. I said it a few months back and I stand by it, this is the year they finally make it out of the first round.
Wild flamed out big time and broke my bracket.
Panthers, WTF. Look, I still think Boston wins that series, but Florida is what really surprises me. Last year they absolutely dominate only to come in and completely fuck up, while this year they barely sneak in and then take it to a team that should be destroying them. I don't know if it's Tkachuk or what, but their playoff compete level jumped multiple levels this year.
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No idea why the Bruns are insisting on playing Ullmark. He's clearly not 100%. They should've gotten Swayman into the series earlier. I don't think the Bruins will win on Sunday if Ullmark plays.
This is my take. Bruins had a good thing going in the regular season swapping Swayman in every 1-2 games Ullmark played. And he won most of them. I've never understood the need to ride one goalie in the playoffs. Obviously if your backup is trash, that's what you do. But Ullmark has been amazing when he gets rest. Four days rest would have been fantastic for him if Swayman had started, say Game 2. They lost that game with Ullmark, I could imagine a scenario where they sweep going back and forth.
That said, the series may have been lost when Marchand didn't score on that last-second breakaway in Game 5. Now it's down to one game. Win and continue the best season ever, or lose in the first round like everyone outside Boston is hoping for.
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No idea why the Bruns are insisting on playing Ullmark. He's clearly not 100%. They should've gotten Swayman into the series earlier. I don't think the Bruins will win on Sunday if Ullmark plays.
This is my take. Bruins had a good thing going in the regular season swapping Swayman in every 1-2 games Ullmark played. And he won most of them. I've never understood the need to ride one goalie in the playoffs. Obviously if your backup is trash, that's what you do. But Ullmark has been amazing when he gets rest. Four days rest would have been fantastic for him if Swayman had started, say Game 2. They lost that game with Ullmark, I could imagine a scenario where they sweep going back and forth.
That said, the series may have been lost when Marchand didn't score on that last-second breakaway in Game 5. Now it's down to one game. Win and continue the best season ever, or lose in the first round like everyone outside Boston is hoping for.
The Bruins haven't had to play desperate hockey all year. They showed a glimpse of it last night and dominated that portion of the game.
Going with Ullmark would remind me of going with a hurt Rask a couple of years ago.
And WTF has happened to Hampus Lindholm? The guys was playing at a Norris caliber level all season. I know he was battling something late in the year, but he has not responded well in this series. That Delay Of Game last night was atrocious.
Foligno also needs to come out. He's been skating in mud.
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Panthers, WTF. Look, I still think Boston wins that series, but Florida is what really surprises me. Last year they absolutely dominate only to come in and completely fuck up, while this year they barely sneak in and then take it to a team that should be destroying them. I don't know if it's Tkachuk or what, but their playoff compete level jumped multiple levels this year.
That's why playoff hockey is so much fun to watch. All of these players are top tier players. Every team, even the crappy ones have talented players on the roster. But, when it's crunch time....the teams that go 'all in' for one another and just execute a smart system together just start to snowball.
Didn't get a chance to watch much hockey at all last night....but, was checking scores. Last I checked it was 4-3 Boston in the third, then my Dad texted me that they lost. Got home in time to see Dallas win their game and then watch the Kraken lose. I think Seattle may have missed their opportunity. The AV's playoff experience may come in to play in the next game...plus, they're playing better now than they were earlier in the series. Still think it's BS Makar is out there playing.
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I'm on record as wanting no part of Florida. The Islanders or Pittsburgh would've been just fine with me. The good news is that if the Bruins can win tomorrow, I'll like their chances going forward. BUT, the Bruins have gotten awful goaltending. Ullmark is obviously hurt. Goals are being scored this series that were stops all season long. Last night was another atrocious game for Ullmark.
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Ullmark is obviously hurt. Goals are being scored this series that were stops all season long. Last night was another atrocious game for Ullmark.
Clearly you've watched him more than I have this season....BUT....is there a chance he's just not rising to the occasion? Playoffs are a different beast....different set of stress and consequences for screwing up. Maybe he just can't 'handle' it?
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Ullmark is obviously hurt. Goals are being scored this series that were stops all season long. Last night was another atrocious game for Ullmark.
Clearly you've watched him more than I have this season....BUT....is there a chance he's just not rising to the occasion? Playoffs are a different beast....different set of stress and consequences for screwing up. Maybe he just can't 'handle' it?
We won't really know. I actually think he's competing his ass off. He's definitely hurt. There's no question about it. Plus, even healthy, he wouldn't be used to this workload.
He's moving gingerly, his reflexes aren't what they were, he's not covering the net. He came out of Game 81 holding what looked like his hip, and had missed some time even previous to that.
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Ullmark is obviously hurt. Goals are being scored this series that were stops all season long. Last night was another atrocious game for Ullmark.
Clearly you've watched him more than I have this season....BUT....is there a chance he's just not rising to the occasion? Playoffs are a different beast....different set of stress and consequences for screwing up. Maybe he just can't 'handle' it?
We won't really know. I actually think he's competing his ass off. He's definitely hurt. There's no question about it. Plus, even healthy, he wouldn't be used to this workload.
He's moving gingerly, his reflexes aren't what they were, he's not covering the net. He came out of Game 81 holding what looked like his hip, and had missed some time even previous to that.
Gotcha. One would think that if he had some limitations that due to the importance of these games he'd be sat in order to heal. Hockey players (and coaches) are stubborn though.
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Ullmark is obviously hurt. Goals are being scored this series that were stops all season long. Last night was another atrocious game for Ullmark.
Clearly you've watched him more than I have this season....BUT....is there a chance he's just not rising to the occasion? Playoffs are a different beast....different set of stress and consequences for screwing up. Maybe he just can't 'handle' it?
We won't really know. I actually think he's competing his ass off. He's definitely hurt. There's no question about it. Plus, even healthy, he wouldn't be used to this workload.
He's moving gingerly, his reflexes aren't what they were, he's not covering the net. He came out of Game 81 holding what looked like his hip, and had missed some time even previous to that.
Gotcha. One would think that if he had some limitations that due to the importance of these games he'd be sat in order to heal. Hockey players (and coaches) are stubborn though.
There was a situation where Bruce Cassidy was afraid to go "against the room" and continued to Play Rask (who had a torn labrum) in the playoffs a couple of years ago.
I don't understand because Jeremy Swayman has basically been every bit as good as Ullmark this season.
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Tim is dead on.
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I don't understand because Jeremy Swayman has basically been every bit as good as Ullmark this season.
Here's a clip from an article on 'The Athletic' today:
“We’re going to be consistent,” Montgomery said. “We’re going to review the game. We’re going to analyze everybody that played. If we think there needs to be a change, we’re going to make a change.”
At this point, a switch seems unlikely. It would put Swayman in a difficult spot of winning the most important start of his life.
The Bruins have made their goaltending bed. Montgomery and goaltending coach Bob Essensa, with confirmation from management, have decided Ullmark is their guy. Now they must live with the consequences of their primitive thinking of riding one postseason goalie into the ground when rotating two sharp netminders was their regular-season formula."
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^ This was what I was just about to say. Montgomery is in a no win position - if the Bruins don't close this out, he'll be questioned on whatever decision he made. It's a tough one, as the Wild had been going full-on tandem, until Flower got lit up in Game 2, then it was all on Gustavson.
Also, when you haven't had anything to play for since November, it makes it quite a bit harder to flick the switch and elevate your game when you get punched back. Florida has been playing meaningful games since February. I'm not surprised AT ... ALL that this is the makeup of this series.
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Also, when you haven't had anything to play for since November, it makes it quite a bit harder to flick the switch and elevate your game when you get punched back. Florida has been playing meaningful games since February. I'm not surprised AT ... ALL that this is the makeup of this series.
Yep....this scenario happens every single year. Hitting the playoffs in stride is a huge advantage...especially magnified in this instance due to....like you said (and said many times in this thread all along)...Boston hasn't really been challenged at all this season. No adversity, nothing really to fight for.
They're perfectly capable of coming out and wiping the ice with Florida next game. But, momentum and confidence are a hell of a thing and Florida don't care at all right now about the standings and 'who' is supposed to win.
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I got home last night just as the 3rd period was starting, and it went from 3-2 Florida to 4-3 Boston just like that as the Bruins looked like they were shot of a cannon. I was like, this is gonna end up 7-3 Bruins, but the Panthers just didn't let up. Even after the Bruins got the SHG, the Panthers tied it back up almost immediately. I was impressed with how resilient they were. The Bruins are obviously the more talented team, but momentum and pressure are funny things. Should be an interesting Game 7.
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Prediction: the Leafs win in TB tonight and take the series.
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Did the nightmare finally ended for the Leafs?
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Prediction: the Leafs win in TB tonight and take the series.
Nice call Kev!
Congrats to Chad!
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Prediction: the Leafs win in TB tonight and take the series.
Nice call Kev!
Congrats to Chad!
For sure. Glad to see them advance.
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Not gonna lie...as fun as it was to joke about the Leafs 1st round woes, I yelled "yes!" when they scored to win it and was genuinely happy for that team. Nice work.
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Typical playoff goal also. Just throw it at the net and see what happens.
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Not gonna lie...as fun as it was to joke about the Leafs 1st round woes, I yelled "yes!" when they scored to win it and was genuinely happy for that team. Nice work.
Yep. My wife and I shouted and celebrated like it was ‘our’ team. Very happy for the players and fans.
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At some point in time, the jokes stops being funny for a long while and you think at some point, this Leafs group with the high-end talent they have will finally get a freakin first round win. Now their next task will be either the Bruins or the Panthers.
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Typical playoff goal also. Just throw it at the net and see what happens.
Yep, that is what some of us would call "puck luck." That is why throwing it at the net in OT is never a bad thing.
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Chad hasn't even texted me back. He's probably still hiding under his bed not aware of what happened.
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Chad hasn't even texted me back. He's probably still hiding under his bed not aware of what happened.
He texted me. Haha.
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Well, Ullmark no longer has the biggest goalie mishandle of the playoffs!
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Never mind, Stuart's stick apparently broke, it's back on Ullmark!
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Well, the Kings really had us hoping they can somehow manage to push this to OT for maybe a win to push the series back to Edmonton, but nope, the Oilers depth scoring guys like Yamamoto and Kostin pulled through for them when they needed it. That's rough. A lot of question marks for the Kings' off-season, particular on Defense and Goaltender. Probably need to move some salary and roster spots around if guys like Jordan Spence and Brandt Clarke can be every day players.
The forward group I'm happy with. They can get away with low offers on Kupari and JAD. Gabe Vilardi will be the bigger signing to deal with. He's been great when he's healthy. Key word, when he's healthy, so I'm thinking Rob Blake can get away with a short-term deal at a reasonable number for Vilardi to accept.
Anywho, Oilers and Golden Knights in round 2. The top two teams in the Western standings going at it. Should be a good one.
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Sigh, I really didn't want this series to have to go to game 7 when the other team has a generational talent in between the pipes.
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Finally! The monkey is off the back of this franchise. Appreciate the comments and sentiments, boys. It's been a brutal stretch to be a Leaf fan the last 6 years - especially coming off the 2013 collapse. I truly had no faith they were going to win last night. Once again, Tampa was the better team last night. Samsonov bailed the team out, especially in the first. There were at least 4-5 times I stated "goal" before he made a brilliant save (jingle.daughter even commented to my "why you gotta be such a Debbie Downer?"). I had no faith that TB would go 0-3 at home in the series - when they were the 2nd best home team in the league during the season. Speaking of which, the SportsNet broadcast made the comment that road teams were 27-17 going in to last night (and ergo, 29-18 now)... and that ALL of last years playoffs saw 35 road-game wins. Amazing. Home ice advantage really does mean jack-squat this year.
One of the hockey channels I follow on YT (Eck), commented that - even with 50/50 odds - the chances of losing 11-straight close-out games as the Leafs had going in to last night are less than 0.1%! It really was a spectacular feat to have that kind of inability to get the 4th win.
I was impressed with the Kings. Fiala played like a beast in the 3 games he was in the lineup. Could've been a different story if he'd been healthy. None-the-less, we always root for Canadian teams, so it was great to see both #2 seeds close the series out on the road last night.
Naturally, I'll be rooting for Florida, but only because I always root against Boston. To be honest, I think the chance to go up against them would make for a thrilling series - one I might actually enjoy now that this team has accomplished step 1. It sure would be nice to exorcise the Bruins demon as well - or even just have the chance.
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So, I just watched the summary package from nhl.com (which uses the TBS feed), and man did I ever want a "holy jumpin!" out of Pang. He disappointed me.
I gotta say, it certainly looks like Matthew Knies is gonna be a stud. Despite losing the puck on the play that led to Tampa's lone goal, he was on the ice for all 3 OT winners, and it was him and Tavares that owned the o-zone on the shift of the GWG. That kid looks legit.
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Chad hasn't even texted me back. He's probably still hiding under his bed not aware of what happened.
He texted me. Haha.
My phone dinged as I typed this.
I gotta say, it certainly looks like Matthew Knies is gonna be a stud.
That kid looks good.
I think we're well on our way to an all Canada Final..Toronto vs. Edmonton.
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I think we're well on our way to an all Canada Final..Toronto vs. Edmonton.
Let's pump the brakes a little ... it's only 1 round.
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I think we're well on our way to an all Canada Final..Toronto vs. Edmonton.
Let's pump the brakes a little ... it's only 1 round.
Leafs aren't losing to anyone in the Metro so as long as they can beat the Panthers, you're all set.
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I can't even imagine what Toronto would be like if the Leafs won. I was a season ticket holder to the lightening for a couple of years and I thought that was a great hockey audience until I went to my first Leafs game.
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Rangers force a Game 7, and the series that has taken several years off my life goes one more game.
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I can't even imagine what Toronto would be like if the Leafs won. I was a season ticket holder to the lightening for a couple of years and I thought that was a great hockey audience until I went to my first Leafs game.
As I recall, the last time there was a “Cup parade” in Toronto, it was Larry Murphy and his wife driving around downtown Toronto with the Cup in a convertible after the Red Wings had won the Cup in 1997. Murphy had been traded to the Red Wings at the deadline for essentially a bag of pucks, after he had been made the scapegoat for whatever Toronto’s failings were that season. He then drove it around downtown Toronto as a thank you/fuck you to the team and fan base!
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I can't even imagine what Toronto would be like if the Leafs won. I was a season ticket holder to the lightening for a couple of years and I thought that was a great hockey audience until I went to my first Leafs game.
As I recall, the last time there was a “Cup parade” in Toronto, it was Larry Murphy and his wife driving around downtown Toronto with the Cup in a convertible after the Red Wings had won the Cup in 1997. Murphy had been traded to the Red Wings at the deadline for essentially a bag of pucks, after he had been made the scapegoat for whatever Toronto’s failings were that season. He then drove it around downtown Toronto as a thank you/fuck you to the team and fan base!
Reminds me of the Ray Bourgue Rally at Boston City Hall after the Avs won the Cup. Man, the city got rightfully skewered for it. :lol
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Well, the Kings really had us hoping they can somehow manage to push this to OT for maybe a win to push the series back to Edmonton, but nope, the Oilers depth scoring guys like Yamamoto and Kostin pulled through for them when they needed it. That's rough. A lot of question marks for the Kings' off-season, particular on Defense and Goaltender. Probably need to move some salary and roster spots around if guys like Jordan Spence and Brandt Clarke can be every day players.
The forward group I'm happy with. They can get away with low offers on Kupari and JAD. Gabe Vilardi will be the bigger signing to deal with. He's been great when he's healthy. Key word, when he's healthy, so I'm thinking Rob Blake can get away with a short-term deal at a reasonable number for Vilardi to accept.
Anywho, Oilers and Golden Knights in round 2. The top two teams in the Western standings going at it. Should be a good one.
Sigh...what an up and down season. They were scoring like crazy but playing no defense to start the season. Starting around the new year, they really put things together until the last few weeks of the season. Whether it was because of injuries or otherwise, they were flat as hell the last few weeks. Thought they might be able to hang with Edmonton, but nope. They mostly kept McD in check, but did so at the expense of letting pissy Leon run wild.
Hope the ice swallows up both teams in the EDM/VEG series. Go Stars. Go Leafs.
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Swayman in net, though his first action shouldn't have been in G7.
First goal wins! Team to score first has won every game so far this series.
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Heart attack coming tonight.
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I swear, this is why my interest in sports is dropping. A great Game 7 is now stupid thanks to a few iffy calls flipping the game and allowing Boston to get two PPGs. The result is now a foregone conclusion.
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I just saw a punch to the face Kev, not called. I'll call it even.
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Looks like someone has Florida on Draftkings.
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Well call it even with the dives now Kev. Lol
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Damn...tied it up.
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Wow
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The Bruins put no pressure on the puck. They've been brutal in their own zone.
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Wow. With only a min. left to go, season on the line and the Panthers tied it.
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That's the Panthers. Relentless.
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That’s probably the biggest sports upset since the record-setting Seattle Mariners of 2001 folded in the first round
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So the Leafs made it to the 2nd round, but the Bs didn't even after having a 3-1 series lead? What world is this?
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Another epic fail.
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Wow
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Another epic fail.
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Wow....
Chalk one up for the "President's Trophy is cursed" theory. The Bruins join the 2018/19 Lightning, the 2011/12 Canucks, the 2009/10 Caps, the 2008/09 Sharks, the 2005/06 Wings, the 1999/2000 Blues, and the 1990/91 Hawks in infamy.
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Wow....
Chalk one up for the "President's Trophy is cursed" theory. The Bruins join the 2018/19 Lightning, the 2011/12 Canucks, the 2009/10 Caps, the 2008/09 Sharks, the 2005/06 Wings, the 1999/2000 Blues, and the 1990/91 Hawks in infamy.
It’s not good to just coast and roll through the regular season facing no adversity. You can’t just turn it on…..that’s not how hockey works. Florida has been playing playoff hockey for close to three months.
I feel for ya Joe and Tim…..this one has to sting a bit.
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Like this series win for the Panthers means a hella of a lot more than when they won it last year as the President's trophy winner, since they had to claw and scratch their way (no pun intended) to a playoff spot this season.
They even had to stand pat at the deadline since they had no upcoming first round picks and Montreal thought that 1st round pick this year that they got last year would end up top 10. Well, that pick is now going to be placed a little lower than now.
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B's never matched the intensity of the Panthers. They seemed rattled all series.
I will miss Patrice Bergeron. The classiest player I've been blessed to watch for 2 decades.
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I feel for ya Joe and Tim…..this one has to sting a bit.
Well, we've been watching this disaster for a week now. It'd sting more if it was a freak thing, but they were outbattled the whole way.
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Marchand wearing the C is about as ridiculous as Pastrnak wearing the A.
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Marchand wearing the C is about as ridiculous as Pastrnak wearing the A.
Let's not go insane now. I agree about Pasta but Marchand has been a leader no doubt this year.
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Bs were very sloppy in OT. Killer shot to win it.
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They were sloppy for most of the series.
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The Panthers were the reason the B's were sloppy. Aggressive, and unnerving the B's. They should get the credit.
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And I won’t even say that the Hockey Gods karma’d the Bruins crowd chanting “WE WANT THE CUP” not even 5 minutes into a 0-0 game 1.
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Why oh why did I become a hockey fan? I was already battling high blood pressure!
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Gift PP to the AVs there. There’s been a lot more crap happen this game that want called.
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Oooo, a goal that could have tied the game was waived off due to off-sides.
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Oooo, a goal that could have tied the game was waived off due to off-sides.
Now's as good a time as any to say that I HATE this rule. Off sides is hard, and I hate wiping out a goal for something like this.
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Oooo, a goal that could have tied the game was waived off due to off-sides.
Now's as good a time as any to say that I HATE this rule. Off sides is hard, and I hate wiping out a goal for something like this.
Do you hate offsides? Or you hate the review?
I’m not wrapping my head around this. The official missed a call that would have whistled the played dead. It’s a goal that never should’ve happened so I don’t understand why. Getting it taken away is such a big deal
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Why? The rules are the rules. No different than a tiptoe in football or basketball out of bounds. Or a baseball that is an inch over the foul line.
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I don’t like that the Kraken are playing so conservatively and just trying to hold onto the lead. They seem to be on their heels and allowing Colorado too much access to the offensive zone. Grubauer is playing an incredible game, but they need to go on the attack and get an insurance goal.
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Why? The rules are the rules. No different than a tiptoe in football or basketball out of bounds. Or a baseball that is an inch over the foul line.
Especially the fact it was a good foot offsides. The ones where the skate is above the line or are so close it could go either way:….I can see getting bent out of shape over it. But this should have been whistled in real time. It was pretty obvious.
Just waiting for the next ticky tack call to get the AVs a PP :corn
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If Makar getting tripped wasn't a call, I don't think they are getting any calls for the rest of the game.
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If Makar getting tripped wasn't a call, I don't think they are getting any calls for the rest of the game.
It’s even considering MaKinnon tripped Schwartz blatantly and got away with it. Besides, Makar sold that a bit anyway.
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Never followed hockey my whole life, but as a local, I would be remiss if I did not say GO KRAKEN!
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I’m so used to being a sports fan from Seattle that I’m not used to something like this happening.
This is amazing! I hardly know what to say!
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I’m so used to being a sports fan from Seattle that I’m not used to something like this happening.
This is amazing! I hardly know what to say!
Hell yeah! Bye Bye Colorado!
Nice work Kraken!
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That was impressive work by the Kraken. Getting the first goal of the game for all 7 games. Plus Grubauer played pretty darn well this series against his old team. It doesn't matter how he did in the 1st season or last season, this is the kind of stuff that makes the contract for the year worthwhile.
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The Seahawks were a joke in the NFL for there for six years, and the Mariners were an even bigger joke for the first 15-20 years in baseball. (To the point that the Mariners being in the World Series in the Naked Gun film WAS THE JOKE).
So having the Kraken beat the defending champions in their 2nd season is wonderful. Obviously, even if they go no farther, this season is a huge win for the franchise.
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I don’t like that the Kraken are playing so conservatively and just trying to hold onto the lead. They seem to be on their heels and allowing Colorado too much access to the offensive zone. Grubauer is playing an incredible game, but they need to go on the attack and get an insurance goal.
They were actually pretty aggressive in the 3rd - I think I heard that they outshot the Avs 10-6. Grubauer was a stud that game. Also... I'm tired of hearing how Landeskog's injury played a role in why they were short-handed... FFS, they didn't have him all year and still finished 1st in the division, so not having him in the playoffs was a non-factor.
7 straight Game 7 losses for the Avs. I also read that Tampa is 1-11 in their last Playoff OT games. That is shocking.
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I swear, this is why my interest in sports is dropping. A great Game 7 is now stupid thanks to a few iffy calls flipping the game and allowing Boston to get two PPGs. The result is now a foregone conclusion.
I hope you're not insinuating that the refs are favoring the Bruins; I'm not that guy, but if I was I'd be screaming up a storm about the calls in this series. Brutal. Gudas has basically had his way the entire series and it's as if he has pictures of the linesmen with goats or something. Tkachuk as well, to a lesser degree. Pastrnak - as bad as he has been - has been thrown around like a ragdoll for most of the series.
EDIT: Oh, and "hand pass". Please (though that was, by all accounts, technically the right call).
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Marchand wearing the C is about as ridiculous as Pastrnak wearing the A.
Let's not go insane now. I agree about Pasta but Marchand has been a leader no doubt this year.
Marchand was one of three or four players - I think Bergeron, Bertuzzi, and Hall are in that group too - that DID play Bruins hockey this series. The problem was that Florida had three lines playing solid, mistake-free (more or less) hockey, AND they had a goaltender that made the key saves when they needed them. Ullmark was wrong - physically, mentally - from at least game four. He saved NOTHING in that Game 6.
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To many mistakes forced by the great forchecking of the Panthers. Even when the B's were not having pressure they were poor with their passing. That's what pressure does to you.
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To many mistakes forced by the great forchecking of the Panthers. Even when the B's were not having pressure they were poor with their passing. That's what pressure does to you.
That was the scenario for that winning goal. You had three tenacious players playing the boards, and keeping the puck alive for the Panthers.
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Oooo, a goal that could have tied the game was waived off due to off-sides.
Now's as good a time as any to say that I HATE this rule. Off sides is hard, and I hate wiping out a goal for something like this.
Do you hate offsides? Or you hate the review?
I’m not wrapping my head around this. The official missed a call that would have whistled the played dead. It’s a goal that never should’ve happened so I don’t understand why. Getting it taken away is such a big deal
Why? The rules are the rules. No different than a tiptoe in football or basketball out of bounds. Or a baseball that is an inch over the foul line.
I have NO problem with the off side rule, and I'm not saying that the guy wasn't obviously off side on the play in question.
What I don't like is a goal being disallowed because of something that happened potentially more than minute earlier. If someone steps out of bounds in football or basketball, it's reviewed immediately. It would be like a guy stepping out of bounds and making a catch before re-establishing himself, the offense running another couple plays and then scoring and THEN having the out of bounds play reviewed. I'm not saying that there's any sort of infallible logic to my feeling on the subject.
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To many mistakes forced by the great forchecking of the Panthers. Even when the B's were not having pressure they were poor with their passing. That's what pressure does to you.
That was the scenario for that winning goal. You had three tenacious players playing the boards, and keeping the puck alive for the Panthers.
There are two types of teams in OT scenarios……one team is playing to win and the other is playing not to lose. The Bruins were playing not to lose…..Panthers were playing to win.
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In non-playoff news, the Flames has fired Darryl Sutter! I love Sutter and all, for the Kings cups, but I think teams that he has coached knows that the guy has a shelf life before everyone around him (GMs, reporters, players, fans, etc.) are going to be sick of his passive-aggressive Sutterisms and that Flames team has had it. They also have no GM as well, so this offseason is going to be interesting to them. It's going to be their version of the Kings' 2017 offseason.
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In non-playoff news, the Flames has fired Darryl Sutter! I love Sutter and all, for the Kings cups, but I think teams that he has coached knows that the guy has a shelf life before everyone around him (GMs, reporters, players, fans, etc.) are going to be sick of his passive-aggressive Sutterisms and that Flames team has had it. They also have no GM as well, so this offseason is going to be interesting to them. It's going to be their version of the Kings' 2017 offseason.
I would say I have a GM guy for them, but I am doing everything I can to try and get Chuck Fletcher to the Penguins this offseason.
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If the Penguins' owners didn't like Ron Hextall, they are really not going to like Chuck Fletcher.
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Oooo, a goal that could have tied the game was waived off due to off-sides.
Now's as good a time as any to say that I HATE this rule. Off sides is hard, and I hate wiping out a goal for something like this.
Do you hate offsides? Or you hate the review?
I’m not wrapping my head around this. The official missed a call that would have whistled the played dead. It’s a goal that never should’ve happened so I don’t understand why. Getting it taken away is such a big deal
Why? The rules are the rules. No different than a tiptoe in football or basketball out of bounds. Or a baseball that is an inch over the foul line.
I have NO problem with the off side rule, and I'm not saying that the guy wasn't obviously off side on the play in question.
What I don't like is a goal being disallowed because of something that happened potentially more than minute earlier. If someone steps out of bounds in football or basketball, it's reviewed immediately. It would be like a guy stepping out of bounds and making a catch before re-establishing himself, the offense running another couple plays and then scoring and THEN having the out of bounds play reviewed. I'm not saying that there's any sort of infallible logic to my feeling on the subject.
You’re comparing a scenario where there is a stoppage (or potential stoppage) after each individual play, to a scenario in which play doesn’t stop until it’s forced to stop by a goal, penalty, or a puck going out of play. The coach can’t just call time out in the middle of the play and tell the ref that the play is offsides. He’s forced to wait until a stoppage to challenge the play. If it goes out of play, no one cares. If there’s a goal and the play SHOULD have been whistled dead from the get go, then I’m all for it. I don’t see any other way of doing it.
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The real reason the Kraken won!
(https://i.imgur.com/7IXZuQ0.jpg)
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Wow..... I did not see it from that angle.
In other non-playoff news, the bids to own the Senators has been heating up. I am not joking when I say the following. The groups that wants to place a bid to own the Sens has people like Ryan Reynolds, The Rock, and Snoop Dogg (yes, that Snoop Dogg that has commentated Kings games in the past and headlined the Super Bowl halftime show in 2022) be the figureheads of their respective groups. The most important thing about the sale is that A. The team stays in Ottawa and B. The group makes a good effort to not only own the team, but to make Ottawa a city be more appealing to be in, to attract players in, etc.
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If the Penguins' owners didn't like Ron Hextall, they are really not going to like Chuck Fletcher.
I'm not trying to give the Penguins someone who is going to help them win. :p
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The real reason the Kraken won!
(https://i.imgur.com/7IXZuQ0.jpg)
Did a CO player have the puck right in front of the goal at the end of the game and make a bad pass?
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IIRC…the winning goal WAS scored on a turnover. :rollin :rollin
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I swear, this is why my interest in sports is dropping. A great Game 7 is now stupid thanks to a few iffy calls flipping the game and allowing Boston to get two PPGs. The result is now a foregone conclusion.
I hope you're not insinuating that the refs are favoring the Bruins; I'm not that guy, but if I was I'd be screaming up a storm about the calls in this series. Brutal. Gudas has basically had his way the entire series and it's as if he has pictures of the linesmen with goats or something. Tkachuk as well, to a lesser degree. Pastrnak - as bad as he has been - has been thrown around like a ragdoll for most of the series.
EDIT: Oh, and "hand pass". Please (though that was, by all accounts, technically the right call).
No, I am just sick and tired of bad officiating influencing the outcome of important games in sports across the board. I get that it is the human element, and it will always be a part of it, but it sucks the life out of watching a big game where two teams are going at it and a bad/iffy call or two turns the tide in one favor. I obviously don't think games are fixed or officials go out of their way to help or screw specific teams.
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Someone just pointed this out. With last years champ being eliminated, none of the remaining 9 teams have won a Cup since Carolina in 2006. The last Cup win for each of the remaining teams:
- Carolina (2006 over Edmonton)
- New Jersey (2003 over Anaheim)
- Dallas (1999 over Buffalo)
- NY Rangers (1994 over Vancouver)
- Edmonton (1990 over Boston)
- Toronto (1967 over Montreal)
- Vegas (never - last appearance in 2018 - lost to Washington)
- Florida (never - last appearance in 1996 - lost to Colorado)
- Seattle (never - first playoff appearance)
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If I were to fully voice my frustration right now, I would get banned from this website.
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If I were to fully voice my frustration right now, I would get banned from this website.
Been there my man…..I feel ya.
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Well, with the Devils winning a series, first series they won since 2012. Here's what I think are the teams that now has the longest 1st round win drought. Actually, do we count the Coyotes play-in win in 2020 as a 1st round win? Otherwise, the last time they won a round was in 2012.
1. Sabres (last won a round in 2007)
2. Red Wings (last won a round in 2013)
3. Kings (last won a round in 2014). Gulp.
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LET'S FUCKING GO. What a performance tonight from the Devils. So glad to be back to being a serious playoff team (everyone knew we were one and done in 2018). Looking forward to what should be a great series against Carolina.
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If I were to fully voice my frustration right now, I would get banned from this website.
Been there my man…..I feel ya.
I don’t think anything will ever top you flipping off every page of your Blues calendar, but I haven’t felt this angry at a Rangers playoff performance since the conference finals in 2015. Absolutely pathetic showing. With the best roster I’ve ever seen for my team and a conference that was blown wide open when the Bruins and Lightning went down, this team should have gone all the way to the finals, games 3, 4, and 6 showed what they could do when they play hard, but it was clear from the moment they skated onto the ice tonight that they just didn’t have it. They looked like they didn’t even want to be there. Poor Igor, Vlad, and Trouba, the only three guys who gave a fuck and played their asses off the whole series. They deserve better.
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If I were to fully voice my frustration right now, I would get banned from this website.
Been there my man…..I feel ya.
I don’t think anything will ever top you flipping off every page of your Blues calendar, but I haven’t felt this angry at a Rangers playoff performance since the conference finals in 2015. Absolutely pathetic showing. With the best roster I’ve ever seen for my team and a conference that was blown wide open when the Bruins and Lightning went down, this team should have gone all the way to the finals, games 3, 4, and 6 showed what they could do when they play hard, but it was clear from the moment they skated onto the ice tonight that they just didn’t have it. They looked like they didn’t even want to be there. Poor Igor, Vlad, and Trouba, the only three guys who gave a fuck and played their asses off the whole series. They deserve better.
They certainly didn’t play with urgency or confidence. As you mentioned…..they had a pretty stacked roster and ‘could’ have made some noise. This is why playoff hockey is so great. No guarantees…..teams that bond and rally together win games and series they have no business winning. It’s a blast but utterly heartbreaking at the same time.
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I'm bummed for the Count; but happy for Axeman.
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So yesterday morning, Florida/Ticketmaster announced that only US residents could buy tickets for the Panthers' home games. Ultimately, they recanted and "clarified" that for the first 24 hours, only US residents could buy tickets. :lol :lol Like that will make a difference. Watching game 6 against the Bs, there were plenty of open seats. That team/arena can't sell out with their own fanbase.
This was trending on Cdn Twitter by the end of the day - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHC1EJHljjc
:rollin
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My friend lives about 1 & 1/2 hours away. He showed me tickets still available between $75 & $99 in their lodge. My balcony seats for game 2 were $300.
Crazy.
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If I were to fully voice my frustration right now, I would get banned from this website.
Been there my man…..I feel ya.
Still there; I feel ya.
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Local news just reported that tickets to see the Kraken home games are more expensive than flying to Dallas and buying a ticket down there.
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If I were to fully voice my frustration right now, I would get banned from this website.
Been there my man…..I feel ya.
Still there; I feel ya.
I'm not. I'll likely post my post mortem will come this afternoon.
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Local news just reported that tickets to see the Kraken home games are more expensive than flying to Dallas and buying a ticket down there.
Welcome to every sport in Boston.
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Local news just reported that tickets to see the Kraken home games are more expensive than flying to Dallas and buying a ticket down there.
Welcome to every sport in Boston.
Seriously.
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Local news just reported that tickets to see the Kraken home games are more expensive than flying to Dallas and buying a ticket down there.
Welcome to every sport in Boston.
Seriously.
It's why probably 1/2 the season ticket holders for the Sabres are Canadian. They actually perform both anthems at ALL Sabres home games - not just the ones against Canadian teams.
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We looked at going to a game in Buffalo, and I was shocked at how expensive the tickets were. Of course, compared to Toronto, they're a bargain.
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Man ……this announcing crew for the Leafs/Panthers game is BA-ROOT-AL
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Trying to pack for a last-minute trip to Florida. When Dallas scored the first goal, I walked away for just a few minutes. When I came back, Seattle was up 3 to 2!
Is anyone playing goal tonight?
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And as soon as I posted that, Seattle scored again!
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Joe Pavelski is having quite a game. This is only his second game of the playoffs after missing the previous 5 after that hit and here he is with four goals with the score tied at 4-4. I didn't think he had this in him after taking that hit at his age.
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That was the worst most blatant hooking I’ve ever seen in my entire life, and it almost ended up in a goal that lost the Kraken the game. As it is, I will take the OT.
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Well, that was a fun Stars/Kraken game. Give me about 5-6 more of those please.
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Being from Seattle, I am typically used to disappointment. This feels so unusual.
We’ve only really had two occasions, where we could really celebrate. Well…3. The 78 Sonics, the 95 Mariners, and the 14 Seahawks (even though the Mariners did not go all the way, that end of season and early playoff run was unlike anything I’ve ever seen in the history of baseball.)
I’m still thinking we probably lose it in seven. But what a fun season this has been!
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Being from Seattle, I am typically used to disappointment. This feels so unusual.
Disappointment implies expectations, how often do we actually have those?
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Being from Seattle, I am typically used to disappointment. This feels so unusual.
Disappointment implies expectations, how often do we actually have those?
Good point!
My dreams were dashed early in life when the 83 Seahawks went to the AFC Championship…and were trounced.
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If the Florida Panthers would have brought this level of compete to last year's team they would have won a cup. I just can't get over how much harder they are playing this year as opposed to last.
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If the Florida Panthers would have brought this level of compete to last year's team they would have won a cup. I just can't get over how much harder they are playing this year as opposed to last.
Yeah…..they’re a scary team right now because of the attitude and confidence. Winning all the battles and just refuse to hand anything over to anyone. You want it….you have to earn it and take it.
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If the Florida Panthers would have brought this level of compete to last year's team they would have won a cup. I just can't get over how much harder they are playing this year as opposed to last.
Yeah…..they’re a scary team right now because of the attitude and confidence. Winning all the battles and just refuse to hand anything over to anyone. You want it….you have to earn it and take it.
Tkachuk is a big part of that. He's just a monster, and he's playing like it. Florida didn't have him last year. He's the type of player that commands attention. Montour is not the Montour of these playoffs without Matthew Tkachuk, full stop.
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If the Florida Panthers would have brought this level of compete to last year's team they would have won a cup. I just can't get over how much harder they are playing this year as opposed to last.
Yeah…..they’re a scary team right now because of the attitude and confidence. Winning all the battles and just refuse to hand anything over to anyone. You want it….you have to earn it and take it.
Tkachuk is a big part of that. He's just a monster, and he's playing like it. Florida didn't have him last year. He's the type of player that commands attention. Montour is not the Montour of these playoffs without Matthew Tkachuk, full stop.
Love him or hate him he does bring a swagger along with him that had inspired his teammates to go ‘all in’.
Most every Stanley Cup Championship team has a certain ‘belief’ they buy in to and just play hard for one another.
Minus the silly Covid Tournament Cup. That one still should hold a huge pronounced asterisk next to it. We all ‘get’ why it had to happen but that wasn’t a real Cup IMO.
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Minus the silly Covid Tournament Cup. That one still should hold a huge pronounced asterisk next to it. We all ‘get’ why it had to happen but that wasn’t a real Cup IMO.
The only thing wrong about that year was the league insisting on using the play-in round as part of the playoff statistics. The playoffs should have only started after that round when there were the 16 teams left that usually compete for a cup.
But given the circumstance, in hindsight it was a great setup. Every team who would have had a reasonable chance to compete for a playoff spot when things were paused got a chance to claim those spots.
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Well, Draisaitl is having himself a night. A Pavelski kinda night. Now, if only the rest of the team could do something...
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Absolutely amazing. Twice in one week a player is going to score 4 goals in a losing effort.
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If I'm Pavelski or Draisaitl, I'm putting my teammates on blast in that locker room. It must be really frustrating to score four goals in a game and your teammates let you down.
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If I'm Pavelski or Draisaitl, I'm putting my teammates on blast in that locker room. It must be really frustrating to score four goals in a game and your teammates let you down.
Here's my favorite thing about this:
I'm very surprised that Pavelski managed four goals in one game, and equally surprised the Stars managed to lose in spite of that.
I'm not at all surprised that Draisaitl managed four goals in one game, and equally not at all surprised the Oilers managed to lose in spite of that.
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RIP Petr Klima
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/czech-hockey-star-petr-klima-dead-at-age-of-58-1.1956126
58..WTF??
The article talks about the 1990 triple OT game in the Finals against the Bruins. Ugh..I watched that entire game.
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I fell asleep in the 3rd overtime and missed it. Woke up to the disgust of my bother and my friend. I had to get up at 5 am the next day.
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I'm not sure if I stayed up for all of that one (I probably did).
I KNOW I stayed up for the Isles/Capitals marathon. I'll never forget the body language of absolute exhaustion + dejection + relief from Bob Mason.
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Man….Toronto. ??? Can’t decide if the Panthers are playing that great or if Toronto is just crapping the bed right now. Maybe a combo of both.
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Bobrovsky won that game in the third period. The guy was incredible.
The Panthers are good. I dreaded playing them from the beginning. If Bobrovsky can keep this up, who's going to beat them?
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Yeah... other than the first 66 seconds of the 2nd period, the Leafs dominated the Panthers. The shots may have been 11-11 in the 3rd, but the ice was definitely tilted. Bobs is looking like 'swept-Tampa-Bobs', not 'can't-stop-a-beachball-Bobs'. I think the Leafs hit the pipe 3 times. Marner, Tavares and Nylander with 6 shots each; Matthews with 5.
I was out, and didn't get to see Game 1, but jingle.kids told me they played good that game too.
Just as the Leafs did to Tampa a couple of times, they were the better team tonight, but the Panthers got the W.
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Bobrovsky won that game in the third period. The guy was incredible.
The Panthers are good. I dreaded playing them from the beginning. If Bobrovsky can keep this up, who's going to beat them?
I don't really have any team remaining that I have any affinity for; MAYBE Edmonton, but I don't like McDavid all that much; that would ONLY be because I really like Draisaitl, MAYBE Dallas, only because I like a couple of their players, including Oettinger, and my daughter goes to school there. But I REALLY like Paul Maurice, and I'm really liking Tkachuk, Bobrovsky, and Bennett. I don't like Montour - pussy - and I don't WANT to like Gudas, but man, you really have to respect how tough and unrelenting he is. He's a brick friggin' wall in these playoffs so far.
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I don't like McDavid all that much; that would ONLY be because I really like Draisaitl.... I don't like Montour - pussy
I don't care for McDavid, but I despite Draisaitl: https://youtu.be/AjvF-l_yagc
I'm 100% behind Dallas in the west. Definitely Toronto in the east, although I'm pretty ambivalent about Carolina and NJ. Mostly, I just want exciting games.
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I don't like McDavid all that much; that would ONLY be because I really like Draisaitl.... I don't like Montour - pussy
I don't care for McDavid, but I despite Draisaitl: https://youtu.be/AjvF-l_yagc
I'm 100% behind Dallas in the west. Definitely Toronto in the east, although I'm pretty ambivalent about Carolina and NJ. Mostly, I just want exciting games.
So....you despise a player for a single interview where they showed clear frustration with a reporter? The one instance in their 8 year career? And an interview from more than a year ago?
I get that you don't like the team given they beat LA all season long, and at the most important time of the year; but this just seems like grasping at straws.
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I mean I hate McDavid for inadvertently taking out Mikey Anderson (and boarded Kempe in 2021 that got McDavid ejected) and I got nothing against Leon. Draisaitl is so great in these playoffs and always finds a way to be in perfect position to get his goals. I hate Evander Kane for x,y,z reasons, but I don't wish anything malicious to him or to fans of his. Just wish him all the best in his legal issues and whatnot.
That being said, the regular season series was 2-2 and one of those those games the Kings won, they were 6 for 6 on the PK. I wished they approached the PK from that game in the playoff series and would have made things enjoyable to watch on that front rather than be nervous all the time.
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Oh gawd ... THAT interview again. Leon had every right to spit back at Matheson - who was being a troll in that scrum. Dumb ass questions... fucking amateur 8-year olds could ask better questions than Matheson did on that night.
Try asking those questions of Sutter or Torts and see the reaction :rollin :rollin
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Anyone see the interview with Samsanov after the game yesterday? It was great.....he said all the right things then a reporter asked him what he thought about how well Bobrovsky was playing and he said "I don't give a fuck" :lol He followed it up with he's focused on his game....I'm focused on mine. But it was funny.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YSzb6vLyd0
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I mean I hate McDavid for inadvertently taking out Mikey Anderson (and boarded Kempe in 2021 that got McDavid ejected) and I got nothing against Leon. Draisaitl is so great in these playoffs and always finds a way to be in perfect position to get his goals. I hate Evander Kane for x,y,z reasons, but I don't wish anything malicious to him or to fans of his. Just wish him all the best in his legal issues and whatnot.
That being said, the regular season series was 2-2 and one of those those games the Kings won, they were 6 for 6 on the PK. I wished they approached the PK from that game in the playoff series and would have made things enjoyable to watch on that front rather than be nervous all the time.
Exactly. There's plenty of players out there who given ample reason to dislike them, and Kane is right near the top of that list. Getting short with interview questions doesn't even crack the top 10 considering some of the shit current NHL players have done.
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So....you despise a player for a single interview where they showed clear frustration with a reporter? The one instance in their 8 year career? And an interview from more than a year ago?
I get that you don't like the team given they beat LA all season long, and at the most important time of the year; but this just seems like grasping at straws.
I'm pretty sure that, if you re-read my post, I didn't say that was the only reason I despise him.
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Oh gawd ... THAT interview again. Leon had every right to spit back at Matheson - who was being a troll in that scrum. Dumb ass questions... fucking amateur 8-year olds could ask better questions than Matheson did on that night.
Try asking those questions of Sutter or Torts and see the reaction :rollin :rollin
I'm with you. I thought Draisaitl handled that as well as could be expected. Those were horrible questions even if there wasn't anything veiled there, and there was CLEARLY something veiled there (I don't know if they've had run ins before, but it sounds like it).
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So....you despise a player for a single interview where they showed clear frustration with a reporter? The one instance in their 8 year career? And an interview from more than a year ago?
I get that you don't like the team given they beat LA all season long, and at the most important time of the year; but this just seems like grasping at straws.
I'm pretty sure that, if you re-read my post, I didn't say that was the only reason I despise him.
Pretty sure I didn't miss anything. Your post is just a link to the youtube video of the interview in question. Maybe you have a whole host of other reasons you didn't feel like sharing, but the post is quite clear in the context you provided. No need to get pissy about it ;)
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I hate to say it, but right now, I think, both series in the east will end up in a sweep. Meanwhile, I think both West series will battle it out to seven games. But we will see what happens. That just means the western teams are going to be a lot more tired.
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Glad game 2 is a rout. I did not want the Oil to go down 2-0 to Vegas.
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The NHL record for most goals in a playoff year is 19 set back in 75-76 by Reggie Leach. Draisaitl has 13G through 8 games. I think he can easily beat that record if the Oil make a deep run. He's having a wild playoffs this year.
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The NHL record for most goals in a playoff year is 19 set back in 75-76 by Reggie Leach. Draisaitl has 13G through 8 games. I think he can easily beat that record if the Oil make a deep run. He's having a wild playoffs this year.
God tier is what it is.
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He's on another level right now.
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Gerard Gallant out in NY.
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His time was short-lived. That team definitely underperformed this post-season.
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His time was short-lived. That team definitely underperformed this post-season.
I never thought they were that good to begin with, though they did load up at the trade deadline.
I'm sorry, but I simply don't get the Adam Fox love. I really try and key in on him when the Rangers are on, and well, I don't get it. He's solid for sure, but Norris caliber? It doesn't jump out at me, that's for sure. To be fair, I'm unfamiliar with his stats compared to other D-men.
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The Norris candidates this year are Fox, Makar, and Erik Karlsson. I get why Karlsson is on it since he achieved something extremely rare for a defensemen and that's to score 100 points in a season.
That being said, I feel like guys like Rasmus Dahlin and Miro Heiskanen got snubbed. Like we all know how great Makar is, but I question the legitimacy of the voters that throws these nominations in when Makar only played 60 games this season while guys like Dahlin and Heiskanen played around 75-80 games and still rack up 70+ points and averaged 25+ minutes on ice a game.
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The Norris candidates this year are Fox, Makar, and Erik Karlsson. I get why Karlsson is on it since he achieved something extremely rare for a defensemen and that's to score 100 points in a season.
That being said, I feel like guys like Rasmus Dahlin and Miro Heiskanen got snubbed. Like we all know how great Makar is, but I question the legitimacy of the voters that throws these nominations in when Makar only played 60 games this season while guys like Dahlin and Heiskanen played around 75-80 games and still rack up 70+ points.
I know a lot of these awards feel almost reputation based. I can see the eyerolls around the league seeing Bergeron up for the Selke again (although it's a privilege to watch that guy play on a regular basis).
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^ Agreed. Dahlin got screwed this year. What did Fox actually do?
They really need two d-men awards. One for the best offensive defenseman, and one for best all around. Just like the forward have the Selke, the blue line needs a similar/mirror category.
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They really need two d-men awards. One for the best offensive defenseman, and one for best all around. Just like the forward have the Selke, the blue line needs a similar/mirror category.
I've been saying this for years. On what planet was Erik Karlsson ever the best DEFENCEman?
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People are just way too fixated on reputation and the point totals rather than actually evaluate the year by itself.
That being said, people can't ignore Karlsson's season this year. 100 points by a defensemen is a rare hill to climb even though the actual defense part in his game is not there, but him having a shut-down capabilities is not what the Sharks pay him the big bucks for.
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They really need two d-men awards. One for the best offensive defenseman, and one for best all around. Just like the forward have the Selke, the blue line needs a similar/mirror category.
I've been saying this for years. On what planet was Erik Karlsson ever the best DEFENCEman?
Defensman is just a title. He was the best player labeled as a defenseman. Not to be confused with the best defensive player that starts the face off behind the puck drop.
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They really need two d-men awards. One for the best offensive defenseman, and one for best all around. Just like the forward have the Selke, the blue line needs a similar/mirror category.
I've been saying this for years. On what planet was Erik Karlsson ever the best DEFENCEman?
Defensman is just a title. He was the best player labeled as a defenseman. Not to be confused with the best defensive player that starts the face off behind the puck drop.
I mean, if you (not you, but general) were starting a team, who'd be the first D-man off the board? I think if your first pick is Karlsson, then sure, give him the Norris.
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I think I saw a stat yesterday that Draisaitl joined Gretzky and Lemieux in the club of people to rack up 50 points in a 25 game playoff stretch, dude is just on another level right now.
Meanwhile, round 2 could not have started off worse for the Devils. I wasn't too shocked with game 1, we had a young, inexperienced team on the road and fresh off an intense 7 game series against a veteran, disciplined, and well-rested team at home. I was disappointed that we took just as much of a beating in game 2. Back on home ice this afternoon and with some lineup changes, time to see if we can put up any fight in this series.
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This third period between Toronto and Florida is just amazing!
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Good grief! I don’t believe in being ticky tack, and calling every little thing, and slowing down the game, but this is almost the other extreme. I’ve seen so many blatant penalties by both sides, and no one’s calling anything!
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This third period between Toronto and Florida is just amazing!
It's been a great game so far.
OT!!
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Boy, losing the way the Panthers did last year must have really given them the kick in the ass they needed, because they having been rolling at the right times now and Bob is playing well when they need him to be.
3-0 lead. Now the Leafs needs to do one of the very hardest thing to do and I don't see this Panthers team collapsing and getting reversed sweep.
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At least I can go back to just enjoying hockey for the sake of the game. I just hope the Leafs don’t get swept. I’ve no delusions they can be the 6th team in history to come back from 3-0, but just don’t get swept.
They’ve been in every game, and Woll did an admirable job tonight.
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SO! Anyone watching the late game? I’m pretty happy at the moment!
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What the actual fuq? When did Oettinger become a sieve?
Kudos to the Kraken!
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I’m shocked!
Loving it…but shocked!
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Just curious…because having a home team is new to us.
But I took not a little bit of pride, when the commentators after the game happened to mention how loud the Seattle crowd is.
This really made my heart beam, because it takes me back to the ‘83 Seahawks in the Kingdome. We were the first crowd in the NFL to be flagged for delay of game (because of John Elway’s whining) and we are the first crowd that I know of to actually gain a legendary reputation for our volume level. So to hear the commentators acknowledge that it’s hard to play in Seattle because of the noise level made me so happy.
It takes me back to when I was actually in the Kingdome at a Seahawks game, and I *literally* had to scream directly in the ear of the person I came with in order to have a conversation because the crowd noise was so overpowering.
I’m not saying we are “the loudest” because I have no idea. But hearing the commentary that it was an issue if you come to Seattle gave me a moment of home town pride.
So I’m asking sincerely. Does crowd enthusiasm and/or noise enter into the game as much as it does with other sports? Do we *potentially* have an advantage in that department if it’s even true?
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For sure. You often hear about the visiting team wanting to “take the crowd out of it”. The fans can be a huge boost for the home team.
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Boy, losing the way the Panthers did last year must have really given them the kick in the ass they needed, because they having been rolling at the right times now and Bob is playing well when they need him to be.
3-0 lead. Now the Leafs needs to do one of the very hardest thing to do and I don't see this Panthers team collapsing and getting reversed sweep.
I don't want to say anything, so's I don't jinx it, but there's a theory going around about "President's Cup winners" and "poor playoff performances" and "following years" that bodes well for one of the original six teams...
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Boy, losing the way the Panthers did last year must have really given them the kick in the ass they needed, because they having been rolling at the right times now and Bob is playing well when they need him to be.
3-0 lead. Now the Leafs needs to do one of the very hardest thing to do and I don't see this Panthers team collapsing and getting reversed sweep.
I don't want to say anything, so's I don't jinx it, but there's a theory going around about "President's Cup winners" and "poor playoff performances" and "following years" that bodes well for one of the original six teams...
Are the Bruins trading Zacha, Debrusk, and Gryzlchk for Tkachuck, Verhaege, and Montour?
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Just curious…because having a home team is new to us.
But I took not a little bit of pride, when the commentators after the game happened to mention how loud the Seattle crowd is.
This really made my heart beam, because it takes me back to the ‘83 Seahawks in the Kingdome. We were the first crowd in the NFL to be flagged for delay of game (because of John Elway’s whining) and we are the first crowd that I know of to actually gain a legendary reputation for our volume level. So to hear the commentators acknowledge that it’s hard to play in Seattle because of the noise level made me so happy.
It takes me back to when I was actually in the Kingdome at a Seahawks game, and I *literally* had to scream directly in the ear of the person I came with in order to have a conversation because the crowd noise was so overpowering.
I’m not saying we are “the loudest” because I have no idea. But hearing the commentary that it was an issue if you come to Seattle gave me a moment of home town pride.
So I’m asking sincerely. Does crowd enthusiasm and/or noise enter into the game as much as it does with other sports? Do we *potentially* have an advantage in that department if it’s even true?
I think the crowd boosts the players on both sides though. Players like playing in full, loud arenas and stadiums. Even if it's a hostile fanbase it creates a nearly tangible energy in the building.
Many moons ago I read an article in the newspaper that ran the math on home vs. away winning %, and it was close to 50/50. I just did a check on the 2022-23 standings, and it's pretty close.
Avg Home W%: 52.8%
Avg Away W%: 47.2%
Avg Home L%: 47.8%
Avg Away L%: 52.2%
Some serious outliers in the data considering a bottom feeder team like columbus got 64% of their meagre win total at home, whereas SJ managed the same % but from road wins (their home crowd only saw 8 victories last season). Lots of teams near the top had less than 50% of their wins at home, Colorado (43%) and my beloved Oilers (46%) included.
Most interesting team was Arizona. Despite finishing 27th in the league, they had a winning record at home (21-20). They only won 28 games, and 21 of those were at the "mullet". WTF
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I'd prefer the Bruins play all of their playoff games on the road from this point on.
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Boy, losing the way the Panthers did last year must have really given them the kick in the ass they needed, because they having been rolling at the right times now and Bob is playing well when they need him to be.
3-0 lead. Now the Leafs needs to do one of the very hardest thing to do and I don't see this Panthers team collapsing and getting reversed sweep.
I don't want to say anything, so's I don't jinx it, but there's a theory going around about "President's Cup winners" and "poor playoff performances" and "following years" that bodes well for one of the original six teams...
*President's Trophy
The only team to win the President's Trophy and lose in the first round and win the Stanley Cup in the following season was Tampa Bay, who won the PT and lost in the first round in 2018-19 and then won the Bubble Cup. Not sure one occurrence is much of a basis for a theory, especially when PT winners have been eliminated in the first round of the playoffs with the same frequency that they've won the Stanley Cup.
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Serious question to fans of teams who lost in the 1st round: are you still watching the playoffs and how much?
I ask because I know from history that when the Blues have made the playoffs and get eliminated, it often zaps my energy out of wanting to watch anymore hockey that season. I didn't watch much last year after they got eliminated by the Avs. Part of that was I didn't want the nausea of seeing the Avs win the Cup, but that is usually the case after the Blues get knocked out. If they lost in particularly agonizing fashion, the party is always over. :lol :lol
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Serious question to fans of teams who lost in the 1st round: are you still watching the playoffs and how much?
Yes, but not with the same vigor. Dodgers games take priority, and I've been paying more attention to the NBA playoffs than I usually do. I watched a decent chunk of the third period and OT of the Leafs/Panthers game, but the other two games were out of hand pretty quickly, so I didn't pay much attention to them. Going forward, it'll depend somewhat on who's playing. If we end up with Edmonton and Florida in the SCF, I probably won't watch much.
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Serious question to fans of teams who lost in the 1st round: are you still watching the playoffs and how much?
I ask because I know from history that when the Blues makes the playoffs and get eliminated, it often zaps my energy out of wanting to watch anymore hockey that season. I didn't watch much last year after they got eliminated by the Avs. Part of that was I didn't want the nausea of seeing the Avs win the Cup, but that is usually the case after the Blues get knocked out. If they lost in particularly agonizing fashion, the party is always over. :lol :lol
I don't watch any games once Edmonton gets bounced (or in many, many, many years don't make it at all). I'll check the scores or watch the highlight package, but I wouldn't sit to watch other teams play. I make no illusions: I'm an Oilers fan, not an NHL hockey fan. I'd have to have literally nothing better to do, and that's highly unlikely
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Serious question to fans of teams who lost in the 1st round: are you still watching the playoffs and how much?
I always watch the playoffs after the Bruins are eliminated. I neither hate nor love any of the remaining teams, and the games have been great.
I've always said that after the Bruins are eliminated each year, that I can finally sit back and enjoy the playoffs.
Dodgers games take priority, and I've been paying more attention to the NBA playoffs than I usually do.
Oddly the Sox have the 5th best record in all of MLB right now, and I think I finally watched my first games this weekend. And for us, the Celtics are still going. But Celtics games aside, NBA playoffs will never override NHL playoffs.
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Oddly the Sox have the 5th best record in all of MLB right now, and I think I finally watched my first games this weekend. And for us, the Celtics are still going. But Celtics games aside, NBA playoffs will never override NHL playoffs.
You mean 7th best. TB, BAL, TOR, TEX, ATL and LAD are all ahead of them.
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Oddly the Sox have the 5th best record in all of MLB right now, and I think I finally watched my first games this weekend. And for us, the Celtics are still going. But Celtics games aside, NBA playoffs will never override NHL playoffs.
You mean 7th best. TB, BAL, TOR, TEX, ATL and LAD are all ahead of them.
As of Saturday anyway. They did lose yesterday.
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Serious question to fans of teams who lost in the 1st round: are you still watching the playoffs and how much?
I ask because I know from history that when the Blues have made the playoffs and get eliminated, it often zaps my energy out of wanting to watch anymore hockey that season. I didn't watch much last year after they got eliminated by the Avs. Part of that was I didn't want the nausea of seeing the Avs win the Cup, but that is usually the case after the Blues get knocked out. If they lost in particularly agonizing fashion, the party is always over. :lol :lol
I haven't watched much since the Bruins were eliminated, but that's more life than Bruins. I will probably watch a lot of hockey over the next week or so, since I'm traveling, and I will watch more as we go deeper in the playoffs.
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Serious question to fans of teams who lost in the 1st round: are you still watching the playoffs and how much?
I'm still watching the playoffs. Primarily the Western Conference games. That said, my attention has been divided into doing other various hobbies.
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Serious question to fans of teams who lost in the 1st round: are you still watching the playoffs and how much?
I'm still watching the playoffs. Primarily the Western Conference games. That said, my attention has been divided into doing other various hobbies.
We (my wife and son who plays hockey) watch as many games as we can. Playoff hockey is great to watch. We’ve been rooting for the Leafs and Kraken…..but don’t really have an allegiance to any team. It’s just fin to watch good hockey.
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Serious question to fans of teams who lost in the 1st round: are you still watching the playoffs and how much?
I haven't. I've checked into games and scores but I haven't watched a full game.
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Serious question to fans of teams who lost in the 1st round: are you still watching the playoffs and how much?
I haven't. I've checked into games and scores but I haven't watched a full game.
Wouldn't want to miss a show.
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Better than seeing teams that piss me off.
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Homah.
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Who's excited to watch the NHL Draft Lottery tonight? ;) It's been my playoffs these last few years since the Wings hit the rebuild. Hoping for some lottery luck to get either 1st or 2nd overall. As long as Chicago and Montreal don't get number 1 overall, and Ottawa doesn't get to number 2 (they're number 2 in so many other ways!) and the Wings don't drop to 11th overall, I'll be good.
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Who's excited to watch the NHL Draft Lottery tonight? ;) It's been my playoffs these last few years since the Wings hit the rebuild. Hoping for some lottery luck to get either 1st or 2nd overall. As long as Chicago and Montreal don't get number 1 overall, and Ottawa doesn't get to number 2 (they're number 2 in so many other ways!) and the Wings don't drop to 11th overall, I'll be good.
I'm excited about the draft lottery, and my team isn't even in it. As an Oilers fan, I know firsthand what it feels like to get a talent like Connor Bedard. I still remember exactly where I was and my reaction in 2015 when that gold card with the Edmonton logo was revealed. This guy is the type of player you can really build a franchise around.
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Montreal is getting the #1 pick. The NHL did all they could do to prop up Edmonton, and then Toronto. Sorry, Connor Bedard is not going to Columbus.
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Serious question to fans of teams who lost in the 1st round: are you still watching the playoffs and how much?
I always watch the playoffs after the Bruins are eliminated. I neither hate nor love any of the remaining teams, and the games have been great.
I've always said that after the Bruins are eliminated each year, that I can finally sit back and enjoy the playoffs.
Same... 'cept, Leafs.
I just hope Chicago doesn't get it/him... that franchise still has a lot of repenting to do, imo.
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Homah.
Yeah. So what? I'll spend time with my wife. Not in my man cave.
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Serious question to fans of teams who lost in the 1st round: are you still watching the playoffs and how much?
I always watch the playoffs after the Bruins are eliminated. I neither hate nor love any of the remaining teams, and the games have been great.
I've always said that after the Bruins are eliminated each year, that I can finally sit back and enjoy the playoffs.
Same... 'cept, Leafs.
I just hope Chicago doesn't get it/him... that franchise still has a lot of repenting to do, imo.
Yeah…..and honestly, they should have been removed from contention to get any #1 pick for ‘X’ amount of years.
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I just read that a team can't win the lottery twice in a 5 year period. That would rule out the Habs..
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If there's anything more boring than watching a draft, it's watching a draft lottery. And it's not like picking one of 16 envelopes out of a hopper. I'm good with hearing who's picking where after the fact (and that was true when the Kings were part of it).
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I just read that a team can't win the lottery twice in a 5 year period. That would rule out the Habs..
The Habs only won the draft lottery once when that rule began in 2020, I think? If they win the Lottery this year, it would lock them out of ever winning the draft lottery again for the next few years.
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I just read that a team can't win the lottery twice in a 5 year period. That would rule out the Habs..
The Habs only won the draft lottery once when that rule began in 2020, I think? If they win the Lottery this year, it would lock them out of ever winning the draft lottery again for the next few years.
Oh, ok, so their 2020 draft win doesn't count yet?
Dammit! :lol
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They weren't in the 2020 draft lottery. They technically qualified for the playoffs that year after beating the Pens in the play-in in the bubble. The one that does count is the 2022 draft.
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They weren't in the 2020 draft lottery. They technically qualified for the playoffs that year after beating the Pens in the play-in in the bubble. The one that does count is the 2022 draft.
OK yeah that's what I meant. :lol
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If there's anything more boring than watching a draft, it's watching a draft lottery. And it's not like picking one of 16 envelopes out of a hopper. I'm good with hearing who's picking where after the fact (and that was true when the Kings were part of it).
^^this is more what i meant. I'm excited about where Bedard might land, but I have no intention of watching the draw live. The internet will fill me in, or it'll be all over the broadcast when i finish putting my spawn to bed
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At least, we are assured that we will not see this.
(https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/YTGeieH9PKOGJVjoN00y2j0RFrUykX9AtiMd4PfqVKI/https/www.reddeeradvocate.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/DBC1057893359_20100413204348.jpg)
Or this.
(https://cms.nhl.bamgrid.com/images/photos/333962770/1024x576/cut.png)
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Wow. Chicago actually leapfrogged two spots in the draft and now they get #1.
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What a fucking joke. Seriously. Utterly ridiculous
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You’ll have a hard time convincing me the draft isn’t “influenced”. Chicago just happens to win the Sweepstakes on the most coveted draft pick in years just as their two franchise players retire/leave? Really?
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Wow. Chicago actually leapfrogged two spots in the draft and now they get #1.
No surprise. The NHL was always going to put him in a major market.
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Not surprised that the NHL found a way to get the Hawks the 1st pick, but the joke is on fans who still have to live in Chicago. :lol :biggrin:
(we will ignore than I live 15-20 minutes from St Louis City, which is just as bad)
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Jfc people, it's a random draw. I hate that Chicago got it but take off the tin foil hats
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If it is legit, why not show the draw on live TV? There is no reason whatsoever to not.
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Because they are making TV best they can, it's not a news presentation.
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Jfc people, it's a random draw. I hate that Chicago got it but take off the tin foil hats
Wish I shared your confidence. There’s zero chance there wasn’t shenanigans going on. If it was just me and three or four other people I’d maybe think I was crazy. But it’s not just me…..fans, players, owners and execs all know the lottery isn’t on the up and up
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Because they are making TV best they can, it's not a news presentation.
That's why I don't watch TV. I already know how it's gonna end.
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Jfc people, it's a random draw. I hate that Chicago got it but take off the tin foil hats
Wish I shared your confidence. There’s zero chance there wasn’t shenanigans going on. If it was just me and three or four other people I’d maybe think I was crazy. But it’s not just me…..fans, players, owners and execs all know the lottery isn’t on the up and up
Yeah, rigged just like the last election, JFK's assassination, and the moon landing.
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It’s a business. You think the NHL doesn’t have a vested interest where a player like Berard goes? If it’s so legit, why not advertise that the draw has been audited by KPMG or something, like entertainment awards show used to.
I’m not as convinced as Gary that it’s fixed, but I’m also not issuing my blind faith that it’s 100% legit.
And yeah, Chicago should’ve had a ban against a top 5 pick for 5 years or something.
Apparently after the draw, Eric Lindross was trending. As was Kyle Beach. If only Berard had the stones to do what Lindross did.
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https://www.nhl.com/kings/news/how-does-the-nhl-draft-lottery-drawing-work/c-306599032
There's been an article like this every year there has been a draft lottery that I can remember. If anyone has any actual evidence of this being fixed I'd love to see it, otherwise I'll chalk it up to there being more unhappy fanbases than one happy one right now drawing the conclusion they want to to wine the most.
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Ahhh, yes. This page in the link looks like this was to hype the 2019 draft lottery in which the Kings went down from #2 to #5..... in which the Kings picked a guy that's been always injured and guys picked later like Trevor Zegras and Cole Caufield has been making strides in being respectable NHL players....
In that case, I would not say the lottery that year was rigged when teams like the Rangers and Chicago got picks before the Kings where they got players that's been traded (like Kirby Dach) or maybe be rumored to get traded (like Kaapo Kakko). Devils had the Taylor Hall luck at the time, so that's how they got their 2nd #1 overall pick in three years at that point.
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https://www.nhl.com/kings/news/how-does-the-nhl-draft-lottery-drawing-work/c-306599032
There's been an article like this every year there has been a draft lottery that I can remember. If anyone has any actual evidence of this being fixed I'd love to see it, otherwise I'll chalk it up to there being more unhappy fanbases than one happy one right now drawing the conclusion they want to to wine the most.
That, unfortunately, leads to more questions than it answers. So they draw FOUR balls and "construct" the four-digit code? There are something like 10,000 combinations of four digits using the numbers one through nine (though I think that includes repeat numbers; I read that about PINs somewhere). If no repetitions, it's something like 3,000 (I looked that up). SO if they don't get one of the 15 teams, which is exceedingly likely what do they do?
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Absent anything more than fans yelling, I'm in the same boat as Nick. If the draft was rigged than the Rangers would have gotten Hughes in 2019 instead of getting #2 while watching their rivals jump to #1.
Much better game for the Devils on Sunday, hoping they can keep the momentum going tonight. I think being the home team really helped us out as we were able to keep Hughes and Meier away from the Jordan Staal line that shut them down so well in the first two games. That doesn't speak well for the series as a whole since we only get three home games, but hopefully we can build some confidence and that can provide a boost for the road games.
Fun fact from Sunday's win, the Devils became the 4th team to surrender three shorthanded goals in one game, and the third of the four teams to go on to win the game.
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https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/37588722/avalanc-gabriel-landeskog-having-cartilage-transplant
Gabriel Landeskog to miss next year!
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Jfc people, it's a random draw. I hate that Chicago got it but take off the tin foil hats
Wish I shared your confidence. There’s zero chance there wasn’t shenanigans going on. If it was just me and three or four other people I’d maybe think I was crazy. But it’s not just me…..fans, players, owners and execs all know the lottery isn’t on the up and up
Yeah, rigged just like the last election, JFK's assassination, and the moon landing.
Exactly. You can say "there's no chance there were no shenanigans," but why? Why is there NO chance that this was done fairly? Does the NHL (as a league) have a vested interest in sending a highly touted player to a major market? I suppose, but it also has an interest in maintaining the integrity of the game. Also, the owners of the Anaheim Ducks and Columbus Blue Jackets have ZERO interest in ensuring that Chicago gets the #1 pick. If there were "shenanigans," why wouldn't any of the people who observed the drawing say something publicly? You simply can't have a conspiracy of this magnitude without some evidence of it getting out.*
If we want to say that the league is favoring big markets, how is it that small market Edmonton was "allowed" to have the #1 overall pick three years in a row and four times in six years, and small market Buffalo was "allowed" to get the #1 pick in 2018 and 2021? Why didn't they let a big market team like Toronto or New Jersey or Boston win the 2015 lottery and draft McDavid? Despite Canada having only 7 of 30-32 teams, Canadian teams have won 6 of the last 14 draft lotteries. So...we're favoring Canadian teams?
While Anaheim had more than twice as much chance of winning as Chicago, that doesn't mean it was rigged. A coin has approximately 50% chance of landing on either side, but sometimes it will land on the same side several times in a row. That doesn't mean it's rigged. It simply proves it's random.
* - Just one of many articles on this topic: https://arstechnica.com/science/2016/02/large-scale-conspiracies-are-mathematically-impossible-to-keep-quiet/
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Why didn't they let a big market team like Toronto or New Jersey or Boston win the 2015 lottery and draft McDavid? Despite Canada having only 7 of 30-32 teams, Canadian teams have won 6 of the last 14 draft lotteries. So...we're favoring Canadian teams?
Because..
1. Edmonton is in Canada, and
2. It was Buffalo.
Also..generational talents.. McDavid went to Edmonton, CANADA, and Matthews went to Toronto, CANADA. The next highest rated first round pick was Lafreniere and he went to NY.
There is no way in hell Bedard was going to Columbus. No chance.
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Well, at least, Bedard is not going to Anaheim or San Jose. I can get behind that. The Ducks will still get someone good at #2.
Lafreniere could have ended up a Leafs as well and that ping pong ball almost made it out, but physics prevented that from happening.
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There is no way in hell Bedard was going to Columbus. No chance.
Nope. The NHL wasn't going to allow the Chicago arena that seats 20k fans a night to continue to draw piss poor crowds. It's a huge market and maybe they didn't just hand pick the lotto order but it wasn't random. As Tim said.....Bedard was NEVER going to fuc%ing Columbus. You don't need to wear a tin foil hat to understand there is way too much money to be made by Bedard going to Chicago rather than Columbus or San Jose.
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You do need the tin foil hat.
https://theathletic.com/4500971/2023/05/09/nhl-draft-lottery-chicago-blackhawks-connor-bedard?source=user-shared-article
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So...it's conceivable that the New York based NHL is favoring a small, western Canadian team over a team in Toronto, New Jersey or Boston (to the point that that team won 4 draft lotteries in 6 years), but it's inconceivable that Chicago could have fairly won last night's lottery?
You do need the tin foil hat.
FYI, Nick, the Athletic article is paywalled.
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So...it's conceivable that the New York based NHL is favoring a small, western Canadian team over a team in Toronto, New Jersey or Boston (to the point that that team won 4 draft lotteries in 6 years), but it's inconceivable that Chicago could have fairly won last night's lottery?
You do need the tin foil hat.
FYI, Nick, the Athletic article is paywalled.
Is The Athletic written in Chicago?
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If you stop the page loading at the right time, you can actually read the Athletic article without needing to pay or use an account there. I stopped paying for it when they decided to let go of the Kings beat writer at the time, Lisa Dillman, and decided that Eric Stephens (whose also the Ducks writer) do double duty. I mean Stephens does a fine job with the Kings coverage, but it's hard for me to care about the Athletic when they made the decision to just have only one writer cover both SoCal teams rather than have separate writers.
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Not saying you're all wrong, not at all, but for those that think it's a conspiracy, where does that start and where does that end? Why would the Bruins AND Rangers been sacked in the first round? I can see wanting the Devils in, but the Panthers?
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FYI, Nick, the Athletic article is paywalled.
SECAUCUS, N.J. — About 30 minutes before the NHL holds its annual draft lottery, league commissioner Gary Bettman is making small talk and snacking on chips in a small room just down the hallway from the NHL Network’s studio.
He steps away from a brief conversation about the draft order and declares which outcome he’s rooting for. “I root for no controversy,” he said, smiling.
Well, almost.
The NHL draft lottery itself went off without a hitch or a hiccup on Monday. Chicago won the Connor Bedard sweepstakes by jumping from No. 3 to No. 1 in the draft order, pushing Anaheim into the No. 2 overall pick and Columbus to the No. 3 overall pick.
It was on the TV show about an hour later — when the draft order was revealed to the public via ESPN — that the flub occurred. As the network cut to a commercial break with the top three picks still a mystery, broadcaster Kevin Weekes spoiled the surprise.
“And there’s our first change in the order,” Weekes said, “with Columbus dropping to third, so now either Anaheim or Chicago will select first overall.”
Wait. What?
It wasn’t until the show returned from break — which must have seemed like an eternity to those watching at home — that NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly confirmed Weekes’ slip-up by flipping over the No. 3 placard to reveal the Blue Jackets’ logo.
Both Weekes and the NHL declined to comment. A source with knowledge of the situation told The Athletic that a production error fed the wrong words into the teleprompter that Weekes was using, and that it wasn’t just a passing comment by the former NHL goaltender and veteran broadcaster.
Most importantly, it had no impact on the actual draft order, which was determined approximately an hour before the TV show. It only ruined the surprise element of the draft, particularly in Columbus, where fans gathered at a local brewery for a watch party.
“It was pretty evident what was going to happen (when they came back from break),” Blue Jackets GM Jarmo Kekalainen said. “It spoiled the moment, I guess.”
What makes the mistake so surprising is that the NHL takes such great pains to make sure that the lottery is executed with strict adherence to so many minute details, with multiple checks and balances and independent eyes on the process.
On Monday, The Athletic was one of three media outlets granted permission to witness the lottery in person, a behind-the-scenes look at one of the league’s most tedious and important events. Here’s what it looks like from the inside:
6 p.m. ET: The league gathers all of the lottery witnesses in a small room. There are about 20 people in the room, including the three media members and two NHL franchise representatives: Philadelphia Flyers director of hockey operations Tom Minton and Alex Meruelo Jr., son of Arizona Coyotes owner Alex Meruelo and the club’s chief brand officer.
A little while later, Bettman’s grandson, Matthew, arrives to watch.
6:11 p.m. NHL spokesman John Dellapina lays out the guidelines to those who have not witnessed a lottery previously.
Cellphones will be put into brown envelopes for safekeeping so that nobody will spoil the surprise. Laptops will be taken, too. “Does anybody have an Apple watch or something similar?” Dellapina asks. “That’s gotta come off, too.”
No devices that can link to the internet are allowed once the lottery starts because the league does not want the lottery results leaked before the TV show. (Insert joke here.)
6:15 p.m. Bettman can work a room. He’s in a good mood and wants to talk hockey, sitting down next to his grandson in front of the three writers to get thoughts on the postseason: “Who do you like in the Cup finals?” he asks. It’s a light-hearted, relaxed chat.
The league hands out a five-paper collection of the pre-determined lottery numbers that have been assigned to all lottery teams. There are 1,000 different number combinations. There are 255 combinations that will result in the Ducks winning the lottery, 135 for the Blue Jackets, 115 for the Blackhawks, etc.
6:39 p.m. Steve Mayer, the NHL’s Vice President of Events and Entertainment, breaks the murmuring in the room. “In six minutes we’re going to do this.”
6:40 p.m. Cellphones, laptops, etc., are taken from everybody in the room. Nervous twitching commences. The camera kicks on in the back of the room. This is all being recorded.
6:44 p.m. Bettman walks to the front of the room as says, “Is it that time?” In his hands, he holds a small stack of papers … the lottery rules. The reading of the rules takes longer than the actual draw itself, but Bettman reads every last line.
6:55 p.m. This is old school. Bettman, to prove that this is a live recording on May 8, 2023, holds up not one, but three daily newspapers: The Bergen Record, The New York Times and the Wall Street Journal.
6:57 p.m. Bettman introduces Martin Gorbachik, a lottery technician with Smartplay International, which, according to its website, “preserves drawing integrity for lottery and gaming organizations in 126 countries.” Gorbachik grabs a briefcase that holds the 14 numbered lottery balls that will be used to draw the four-digit combinations that will reveal the first and second overall picks.
Then Bettman introduces Steve Clarke from the accounting firm Ernst & Young, who sits to Bettman’s left at a table with two stacks of papers: one the lottery rules, and two the number combinations that apply to the clubs in the lottery.
Then he introduces the three media members and two club representatives. All are asked to wave toward the camera.
7 p.m. Gorbachik opens the briefcase and begins lifting the numbered ping-pong balls out of the briefcase, showing them to the camera and dropping them into a collection tube attached to the lottery machine. Bettman says the numbers firmly like he’s Count von Count from Sesame Street.
With all the balls approved and into the collection tube, Gorbachik is instructed to drop them into the machine. A lever is pulled, they tumble into the bin and the machine is started.
7:02 p.m. Thomas Meaney, an NHL VP of events, is positioned approximately 15 feet away from the lottery matchine with his back to the rest of the room. He is instructed by Bettman to shout “draw” every 20 seconds so that Gorbachik, who stands by the device, can’t be accused to timing his level pull to let a ball shoot up the cylinder.
Meaney has done this for several years. It’s not clear how the job fell to him, Dellapina said — he’s just good at it. After about 20 seconds, the first shout: “Draw!”
And right like that, the lottery is started, first to determine the No. 1 overall draft pick. The numbers are revealed in the span of 80 seconds: 5-13-4-9. (The order isn’t important, but they’re rearranged quickly — 4-5-9-13 — to make it easier for Clarke to look up the winner.)
“And the winner is…?” Bettman said. Clarke, after a momentary pause as he scrolls through the sea of numbers, finds the match: “Chicago Blackhawks,” he said. The room is absolutely quiet except for the humming of the lottery machine.
A few people are tracing through the numbers to see how this fell. Vancouver had 4-5-9-12. Columbus had 4-5-9-14. So close.
7:04 p.m. The same ping-pong balls are loaded back into the machine and allowed to bounce around for several seconds. (This is a great argument against those who would suggest the ping-pong balls are somehow manipulated to get a certain result. If that’s so, why don’t the same balls deliver the same numbers repeatedly?)
7:05 p.m. The second draw commences. 9-8-10-6. Clarke quickly looks up 6-8-9-10 and declares the winner of the second pick. “The Anaheim Ducks.”
And right like that, the draft lottery is finished.
This event, which has been front-of-mind for multiple clubs ever since Bedard became a rock star at the IIHF World Juniors Championship last winter, was over quicker than some of Bedard’s shifts with the Regina Pats.
7:08 p.m. Bettman seems delighted with how the draft was executed. He comes over to chat again with the media members about the results. He asks if anybody has seen Bedard play in person and how they think he compares to some of the great players in the game.
He also makes it clear that Daly asks not to be informed of the lottery results until he learns them himself through the TV show. Daly is not in the room, obviously, and nobody is allowed to leave the room except for those involved in the TV production, who need to get working on the event.
7:12 p.m. At a table on the far side of the room, the placards are removed from a carrying case and placed in front of league staffers. They take the draft order that was just established and order the cards accordingly so that Daly can flip them over one by one at the high-top table on the TV show set.
Repeatedly, they go over the order to make sure everything matches.
7:23 p.m. Bettman is called over to inspect the pile of logos, to make sure — one final time — that they’re in the correct order. Then the pile is watched ever so closely for the next 30 minutes before the TV show gets ready to start.
7:38 p.m. After more small talk, Bettman and his grandson leave for dinner. The lottery is Bettman’s operation, but the TV show is all Daly.
8 p.m. The show is about to start. An ESPN camera is stationed in the hallway and the placards are carried toward the studio by Clarke, the Ernst & Young accountant. ESPN’s John Buccigross welcomes in a TV audience before Game 3 of the Edmonton-Vegas series and sets the stage for the Bedard sweepstakes.
8:02 p.m. A joke is made — the first of many — about how twitchy the reporters appear to be, knowing the results and not being able to share them via social media or their websites.
8:09 p.m. Did Weekes just say that?
8:12 p.m. Daly flips over the final three placards: Columbus, then the winner, Chicago, and finally Anaheim. The lottery is finished. So is the TV show. The first went better than the second.
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Not saying you're all wrong, not at all, but for those that think it's a conspiracy, where does that start and where does that end? Why would the Bruins AND Rangers been sacked in the first round? I can see wanting the Devils in, but the Panthers?
I don't think the games are scripted or fixed. But I also don't think the lottery is 'random' in the way they described it.....even with the Article Nick mentions and that I just copy/pasted for all to read.
I hope Bedard refuses to play or report to the Blackhawks citing the molestation and cover up.
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I understand people feeling like not enough retribution has been made or warranted on the Blackhawks for what they have done when it comes to the organization's role in the cover-up and that they haven't really done enough in the aftermath for people to trust in them as an organization to do the proper thing when something critical has happened from within.
That being said, it's funny how people are hoping Bedard does not report to the Blackhawks. Sure, let's have this guy who has not turned 18 yet until July, whose been working his entire life to get to where he is. Have exceled in every team he has been a part of in the Junior league and on international competition. Been touted as the consensus top pick in his draft year for a good long time. And when it comes to finding out whose that team that's going to pick him, knowing what they have done in the past, he's just going to say no? Pass up on the best opportunity to fulfill his dream to be in the NHL? Pass up a chance to make a boatload of money when the best opportunity presents itself?
People want him to be a martyr for the Blackhawks' actions at this point? Would it really make people feel better in the grand scheme of things? People can also say Blackhawks should trade the pick and that could be enough of reparation. Well, unless that guy they are getting back is either McDavid or Matthews, that's just not happening.
Now look, this whole saga regarding the Blackhawks is an ugly mark and we all know that. I do hope the organization there are working harder than ever before to ensure something like this and other related situations does not happen on their watch ever again and if it does, it gets reported done, no questions asked. Maybe I'm just too naive and hopeful like that.
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On a non-NHL note, a guy at work told me about this Netflix documentary relating to the former minor league Danbury Trashers. Absolutely bat shit crazy stuff. Check it out if you haven't seen it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untold%3A_Crimes_%26_Penalties
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Regarding paywalls... open the site in "reader" mode on Chrome (I assume other browsers have a similar feature) bypasses most (all?) paywalls.
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I don’t think the problem is whether the draft was rigged or not. I think the problem is that Chicago still had their first round pick after the Kyle Beach incident in the first place. They were fined 2.5 million dollars, and they made more than that within the first hour after winning the draft lottery, so it’s like they not only weren’t punished for covering up a sexual assault, but they were instead rewarded for it.
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I don’t think the problem is whether the draft was rigged or not. I think the problem is that Chicago still had their first round pick after the Kyle Beach incident in the first place. They were fined 2.5 million dollars, and they made more than that within the first hour after winning the draft lottery, so it’s like they not only weren’t punished for covering up a sexual assault, but they were instead rewarded for it.
I couldn't remember what the actual punishment was. They were not stripped of a First Round pick? Huh.
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I don’t think the problem is whether the draft was rigged or not. I think the problem is that Chicago still had their first round pick after the Kyle Beach incident in the first place. They were fined 2.5 million dollars, and they made more than that within the first hour after winning the draft lottery, so it’s like they not only weren’t punished for covering up a sexual assault, but they were instead rewarded for it.
I couldn't remember what the actual punishment was. They were not stripped of a First Round pick? Huh.
But Arizona was stripped of two picks for doing combine testing literally a day early. Make it make sense.
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I don’t think the problem is whether the draft was rigged or not. I think the problem is that Chicago still had their first round pick after the Kyle Beach incident in the first place. They were fined 2.5 million dollars, and they made more than that within the first hour after winning the draft lottery, so it’s like they not only weren’t punished for covering up a sexual assault, but they were instead rewarded for it.
I couldn't remember what the actual punishment was. They were not stripped of a First Round pick? Huh.
Maybe I'm the only one, but I can't conceive why the team ought to have been competitively hampered by something like this. Lots of people lost jobs over this. Call a $2M fine inconsequential, but none of us are privy to the NHL's governing documents such that we know even what's possible here.
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I don’t think the problem is whether the draft was rigged or not. I think the problem is that Chicago still had their first round pick after the Kyle Beach incident in the first place. They were fined 2.5 million dollars, and they made more than that within the first hour after winning the draft lottery, so it’s like they not only weren’t punished for covering up a sexual assault, but they were instead rewarded for it.
I couldn't remember what the actual punishment was. They were not stripped of a First Round pick? Huh.
Maybe I'm the only one, but I can't conceive why the team ought to have been competitively hampered by something like this. Lots of people lost jobs over this. Call a $2M fine inconsequential, but none of us are privy to the NHL's governing documents such that we know even what's possible here.
Because rather than do the right thing they covered it up to make sure they were able to win those Cups. They should have absolutely been hampered due to their choices. They were dishonest and chose greed and success over an individuals well being.
Should have never been eligible for a top 5 pick for ‘X’ amount of years
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I don’t think the problem is whether the draft was rigged or not. I think the problem is that Chicago still had their first round pick after the Kyle Beach incident in the first place. They were fined 2.5 million dollars, and they made more than that within the first hour after winning the draft lottery, so it’s like they not only weren’t punished for covering up a sexual assault, but they were instead rewarded for it.
I couldn't remember what the actual punishment was. They were not stripped of a First Round pick? Huh.
Maybe I'm the only one, but I can't conceive why the team ought to have been competitively hampered by something like this. Lots of people lost jobs over this. Call a $2M fine inconsequential, but none of us are privy to the NHL's governing documents such that we know even what's possible here.
Because rather than do the right thing they covered it up to make sure they were able to win those Cups. They should have absolutely been hampered due to their choices. They were dishonest and chose greed and success over an individuals well being.
Should have never been eligible for a top 5 pick for ‘X’ amount of years
Stripping them of multiple first rounders would have done the trick.
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^^ It should have, but the league higher-ups is so morally bankrupt that their idea for punishment for something like this coverup is basically a minor fine in comparison to how much the Blackhawks is worth.
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Right?? A $2M fine would be like a $2 fine to anyone of us. It was a joke. It was like DOPS was handing out the punishment to the team.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/nhl-draft-chicago-scandal-1.6837773
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It starts with one game, Leafs. Now ride the f*** off of the momentum as much as you can go. Most importantly, make the Panthers doubt themselves in Game 5 onwards.
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Leafs played like the ‘95 Devils tonight. What a defensive clinic.
<insert Sanford & Son heart attack gif>
I have no delusions that they’ll win the series. The won’t… but at least they didn’t get swept.
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I didn't expect this Oilers/Golden Knights series to be this testy to say the least. I expect Kane to do the things he wants to do and the league isn't going to do much discipline post-game. Game 4 is getting closer to the boiling point for both sides. Pietrangelo committed a slash on Draisaitl in the dying seconds of the game long after the puck left Draisaitl's area. People want a suspension it seems. The Oilers has been doing whatever to Stone's injured back and has been taking liberties at Pietrangelo. I don't know how the refs are going to maintain order for the rest of the series. I don't know even know, at this point, the refs wants to maintain order.
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I’ve never seen Petro do such a blatant and dangerous act like that. Very out of character. You could see that the toll has been taken from the beating he’s taking.
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Eh, I think Bettman is kind of right though. "Different context, different facts". The punishments to the other two teams that lost draft picks can be correlated to their wrong-doings directly impacting their competitiveness and (ultimately) their position in the draft order. As heinous as it is, this IS an off-ice issue, and there have been enough heads rolling (Bowman, McDonough, MacIsaac, Vincent, Gary, Quenneville) that I think criticism of the draft picks is really just about preference.
And no, we shouldn't be bullying Connor Bedard to jeopardize his future in the name of an arbitrary standard that some of us want to unilaterally impose. There should be no insinuations drawn if Bedard opts to play for the Blackhawks. (Though if all this results in a trade of Bedard to the Bruins, I'm all for that!)
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Best case scenario is Bedard is a flop like the majority of #1 pics are. He is tiny and hasn't really played against 'men' yet. This is a LOT of hype to live up to.
And I say 'best case' only in the terms of Chicago getting screwed. As for Bedard personally...I don't wish ill on him.....but it'd be poetic justice for Chicago if he just didn't live up to what he's being built into.
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<insert Sanford & Son heart attack gif>
The INSTANT I read this the show's theme song popped into my head (and probably will stay there through the morning). :lol
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Best case scenario is Bedard is a flop like the majority of #1 pics are. He is tiny and hasn't really played against 'men' yet. This is a LOT of hype to live up to.
And I say 'best case' only in the terms of Chicago getting screwed. As for Bedard personally...I don't wish ill on him.....but it'd be poetic justice for Chicago if he just didn't live up to what he's being built into.
Wishful thinking that he'll be a flop. At 5'11 and 185lbs, I wouldn't call him 'tiny' either. The kid absolutely embarrassed his peers on the ice in the WHL, and will very likely do the same in the NHL. Will he do it right out of the gate like McDavid? Maybe not. But he'll get there.
None of the 1st overall flops you're alluding to dominated like Bedard has. Furthermore, there haven't exactly been many flops taken at 1st overall in the last 20 years, aside from Nail Yakupov of course. Would you call Erik Johnson a flop? Otherwise, the list of 1st overall picks looks like a quality batch of NHLers. There's obviously many cases where the 1st overall pick has been overshadowed by someone taken later in the draft, but that doesn't mean the pick is a flop.
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Furthermore, there haven't exactly been many flops taken at 1st overall in the last 20 years, aside from Nail Yakupov of course. Would you call Erik Johnson a flop? Otherwise, the list of 1st overall picks looks like a quality batch of NHLers. There's obviously many cases where the 1st overall pick has been overshadowed by someone taken later in the draft, but that doesn't mean the pick is a flop.
That whole 2012 draft was subpar. None of the top 10 picks (and 13 of the top 15) ever were named all-stars, and two of them are all but out of the NHL. Interestingly, 4 of the top 10 and 5 of the top 15 are or have been members of the Oilers organization. But yeah...other than Yakupov, every #1 overall going back to at least 2010 through 2019 has been an all-star and is having at least an above average career.
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David Pastrnak and Linus Ullmark to the Blackhawks, for Connor Bedard, a couple draft picks next year, and some relief on Pastrnak's salary. Sounds good to me, let's do it!
(That's not based on anything substantial, just my musings, though a local Boston writer did moot that a couple days ago).
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And now we look into 2020-22 so far
2020 - Lafrenière. I'm not sure what's going on with this guy. Everyone was hyping him to be the next best thing around the draft. Was the Rangers just the wrong team to pick him, because his main position was already filled by guys like Panarin and Kreider and thus couldn't get proper top-6 minutes to excel in a main role?
2021 - Owen Power. Been nominated for the Calder Trophy, probably won't win it, but I'm sure the Sabres are very happy they will have Dahlin and Power to drive their Blue Lines for a good long while.
2022 - Slafkovsky. That's a weird pick by the Canadiens. The season stats doesn't look that promising and he got injured halfway in the season. They will give him time to cook.
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From 2020, it's looking like Tim Stutzle is the breakout star from that class so far, with Lucas Raymond comfortably in second.
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Oh, Stutzle has been fantastic for the Senators and is going to be there for a long time. I mean people knew he was going to be the more ready player over Byfield and the Kings, at the time, had the luxury to wait out a few years to see if Byfield can be something while they ride out Kopitar's contract. Well, that contract ends in 2024 and Byfield's development has been one of the more frustrating things to talk about amongst certain Kings fans, especially knowing that Stutzle has been fantastic and the Kings could have picked him.
Not for me though, Byfield's potential is there and it's been shown in spurts and in good key moments for the Kings this season. He just needs to put it together on a more consistent basis game-to-game and not have freak injuries or illnesses ruin that growth and play a full season. It took Kempe 7-8 years before we saw his potential realized. Took Vilardi 5 years to finally put his game together. People wish the players the team drafts can be all good to go and ready to take on the NHL in year 1 onwards, but sadly, that's not always the case.
My point is. I don't want the team to give up on Byfield. If he turns out to be a bust under the Kings, so be it. I just don't want the team to trade him and he ends up actually realizing his potential elsewhere on another team.
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Who is “bullying” Bedard?
I didn’t watch the 3rd last night, but Nurse is getting a game for instigating a fight? WTH?
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I mean Nurse and Hague were jawing at each other to fight for a good while this series. That being said, Nurse did come between Hague and Foegele in the last minutes of the game and in the eyes of the rulebook, if anyone is caught instigating a fight in the last 5 minutes of the game, they are getting suspended next game.
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Who is “bullying” Bedard?
I didn’t watch the 3rd last night, but Nurse is getting a game for instigating a fight? WTH?
Anyone at all pressuring him to not play for Chicago because they feel the penalties weren't stiff enough.
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Fair point regarding the Nurse suspension. I didn’t know they rule. 1 game for Pietrangelo is a joke. They was a clear intent to injure, retaliatory (to the team, not specifically from anything Draisaitk did to him) and NOT A HOCKEY PLAY.
DOPS is a joke - so inconsistent.
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Fair point regarding the Nurse suspension. I didn’t know they rule. 1 game for Pietrangelo is a joke. They was a clear intent to injure, retaliatory (to the team, not specifically from anything Draisaitk did to him) and NOT A HOCKEY PLAY.
DOPS is a joke - so inconsistent.
The only thing I can even imagine that ‘helped’ him was that it was completely out of character for him and that he doesn’t have that type of history or reputation. Not that it should matter anyway…..it was a brutal act.
But as you mentioned…..DOPS is so wildly inconsistent he could have gotten 5 games or just a fine.
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That kind of hack would’ve been a match penalty during a game. So basically, he only got a match penalty.
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Totally random thought, but I'd like to join the "puck out of play shouldn't be a 2 minute minor" brigade >:( :censored
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Can I just say that mid game interviews are the most annoying thing to be introduced to any sport at all?
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Totally random thought, but I'd like to join the "puck out of play shouldn't be a 2 minute minor" brigade >:( :censored
Yeah, tough break there.
Can I just say that mid game interviews are the most annoying thing to be introduced to any sport at all?
I’m so glad the Canadian broadcasts don’t do that shit. I’m sure every coach looks forward to them!
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Can I just say that mid game interviews are the most annoying thing to be introduced to any sport at all?
Depends who is conducting them. :)
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Can I just say that mid game interviews are the most annoying thing to be introduced to any sport at all?
Depends who is conducting them. :)
I don’t mean “mid game” as in middle of the game during intermission. I mean mid game as in going into the bench and interviewing the coach while the game in being played! I swear if I was the coach I’d spill an entire cooler of water on the reporter and make it look like an accident.
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Then you got John Tortorella being very blunt and to the point on why he thinks his team was off to a not so great start in an interview during the period.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjP0XJuTu-U
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Then you got John Tortorella being very blunt and to the point on why he thinks his team was off to a not so great start in an interview during the period.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjP0XJuTu-U
Outstanding!
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Can I just say that mid game interviews are the most annoying thing to be introduced to any sport at all?
Depends who is conducting them. :)
I don’t mean “mid game” as in middle of the game during intermission. I mean mid game as in going into the bench and interviewing the coach while the game in being played! I swear if I was the coach I’d spill an entire cooler of water on the reporter and make it look like an accident.
Still depends who's conducting them. Sofia Jurksztowicz can interview anyone she wants whenever she wants, as far as I'm concerned (I'm only half joking, too; she asks some GREAT questions, seriously. Woman knows her hockey.)
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Can I just say that mid game interviews are the most annoying thing to be introduced to any sport at all?
Depends who is conducting them. :)
I don’t mean “mid game” as in middle of the game during intermission. I mean mid game as in going into the bench and interviewing the coach while the game in being played! I swear if I was the coach I’d spill an entire cooler of water on the reporter and make it look like an accident.
Still depends who's conducting them. Sofia Jurksztowicz can interview anyone she wants whenever she wants, as far as I'm concerned (I'm only half joking, too; she asks some GREAT questions, seriously. Woman knows her hockey.)
Ditto Linda Cohn. Leah Hextall, on the other hand....
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Can I just say that mid game interviews are the most annoying thing to be introduced to any sport at all?
Depends who is conducting them. :)
I don’t mean “mid game” as in middle of the game during intermission. I mean mid game as in going into the bench and interviewing the coach while the game in being played! I swear if I was the coach I’d spill an entire cooler of water on the reporter and make it look like an accident.
Still depends who's conducting them. Sofia Jurksztowicz can interview anyone she wants whenever she wants, as far as I'm concerned (I'm only half joking, too; she asks some GREAT questions, seriously. Woman knows her hockey.)
Ditto Linda Cohn. Leah Hextall, on the other hand....
I haven't made a decision on Leah Hextall yet; but not a fan of Emily Kaplan either. Sometimes she asks questions and you can't tell what sport to which she's referring.
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Hextall gets residual negative points because of how bad she was doing play-by-play and the obvious fact that she only got that job because of her last name. In her favor, though, she's better at her current job than when she did PBP.
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Fuckin Canes gave me flashbacks to another series I shall not name, but we are developing to be a dynasty for the decade.
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My expectations are still running very low. I expect to lose game 7 in Dallas. But then again, I expected to lose the game tonight.
But it’s pretty exciting to think that we came in as a 1st wild card, and now if we can pull out just one more win, we’ll be in the Western Conference Finals!!!
Love being a new fan of a new team!
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Super excited for you to be experiencing this jammindude :tup I'm pulling for the Kraken.....I detest DeBoer. He's a douch bag schmuck....hated him in San Jose and hate him now. His smug little smile after the 'hand pass' game against St. Louis and the way he whined and cried as the Blues literally beat the shit out of his team that whole series was like a spoiled little brat who wasn't getting what he wanted. I hope the Kraken knock he and his team out so we can see him sulk some more. Good Luck!!
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Super excited for you to be experiencing this jammindude :tup I'm pulling for the Kraken.....I detest DeBoer. He's a douch bag schmuck....hated him in San Jose and hate him now. His smug little smile after the 'hand pass' game against St. Louis and the way he whined and cried as the Blues literally beat the shit out of his team that whole series was like a spoiled little brat who wasn't getting what he wanted. I hope the Kraken knock he and his team out so we can see him sulk some more. Good Luck!!
100%.
If edmonton gets bounced, I'll be rooting for Seattle. And I'll gladly cheer for whomever represents the West. I don't care for Tkachuk so can't responsibly cheer for FLA. And no self-respecting Oilers fan can cheer for CAR. None. Full stop.
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I can't root for any of the three remaining Pacific division teams so I'm reluctantly rooting for the Stars.
For the East, I may get on the Panthers bandwagon. I had them written off back in 2022 after, as the leading President's trophy winner, they couldn't clobber an injured-ridden Kings team the way the Avs would that season so that game was the main sign for me where I question if they had what it takes to go far. Then that suspicion was confirmed after they got swept by the Bolts in round 2. This season, after making major big moves when it comes to changing head coach and making a big trade, after battling injuries, being up and down throughout the season, after Matthew Tkachuk gave them a Hart-nominated season, this Panthers team got a lot of fight in them. They also beaten the Bruins and Leafs, so it's hard to root against a team for doing that.
That being said, I got nothing against the Hurricanes. Rod Brind'amour has been a great coach for them and despite the team not making huge trade deadline decisions, turns out they were right to bank on this group and not need to make major adjustments to the roster and here they are. Same goes for the Panthers. They couldn't do anything at the deadline due to minor injuries that they couldn't get LTIR space for, no cap space, and no good draft capital to trade. Just them clicking at the right time despite teams like the Senators and Sabres coming up the rear.
Maybe the most popular narratives that making big bold moves at the trade deadline that people really really want to latch onto doesn't actually equal post-season success. Some cases can be true, but that's not the case this season in various examples.
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I cannot figure out the penalties in playoff hockey. They seem so arbitrary. The penalty that just got called on the Vegas Knights was definitely a penalty, but I’ve seen a dozen more blatant things go by without a blink.
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I really thought the Oilers would be playing with more urgency. I don’t think that game
Is over yet…..they can get a couple goals but they’re just floating around right now.
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Also, my wife pointed out that Mark Messier looks a lot like Yondu without the blue make up. :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Pretty poor effort from a team facing elimination. Kind of rolled over a bit.
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Who is Yondu??
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Who is Yondu??
Dammit Tim!! :facepalm:
:rollin :rollin
One of the main characters from The Guardians of the Galaxy played by Michael Rooker.
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(https://i.imgur.com/uiJv8wn.jpeg)
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I love the chaos of this year's playoff. My bracket is completely busted, but Seattle and Florida have been so worth it. Watching many of the favorites get bounced in the first round was a welcome surprise. A Seattle-Florida Cup Final would be cool, simply for the insane amount of mileage that will be racked up in travel. I think that's the matchup I'm pulling for!
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It's gonna be tough finding a team to root for here on out. Super happy the Oilers are gone and BUMMED that the Leafs are gone. I don't want to root for Carolina because of Brent Burns. No way I'm pulling for Seattle (sorry, Ben). Nothing against Florida other than my general disdain for the state. I'm torn with Vegas. I love Quickie and A-Mart (and McNabb and Amodio to a much lesser extent), but I can't say I want to see either win a Cup with Vegas. I guess that leaves Dallas. Former division rival, but no recent negative history, and it'd be a nice story for Pavelski to get a Cup finally.
Who is Yondu??
The question has already been answered, but same (I've also never heard of Michael Rooker before).
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I'd rather Seattle or Dallas over Vegas, but still prefer Vegas over the eastern teams. Honestly, with Edmonton eliminated I'll be mostly ignoring the NHL in favor of MLB.
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You know the league wants a Seattle/Vegas WCF so they can pat themselves on the back over the success of their most recent expansion teams while continuing to ignore all of the other issues the league has. And this isn’t any shade on Seattle who I want to see win the West (full shade on Vegas and Dallas though), but you all know Gary Bettman will use the quick success of the Golden Knights and the Kraken to mask the problems the league has had with officiating, poor television viewing experience, and the controversy around this year’s draft lottery.
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I'd rather Seattle or Dallas over Vegas, but still prefer Vegas over the eastern teams. Honestly, with Edmonton eliminated I'll be mostly ignoring the NHL in favor of MLB.
Who do you follow in baseball?
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I'd rather Seattle or Dallas over Vegas, but still prefer Vegas over the eastern teams. Honestly, with Edmonton eliminated I'll be mostly ignoring the NHL in favor of MLB.
Who do you follow in baseball?
Jays, of course. Have to cheer for the only Canadian team ;). And I have fond memories of the back-to-back WS titles in the 90's. I did do a stint as a Mariner's fan, as well, back in the day. As a pitcher myself, I basically idolized Randy Johnson when I was a kid.
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On a non-NHL note, a guy at work told me about this Netflix documentary relating to the former minor league Danbury Trashers. Absolutely bat shit crazy stuff. Check it out if you haven't seen it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untold%3A_Crimes_%26_Penalties
This was both disturbing and fascinating! :tup Even a few mentions of my old hometown Kalamazoo Wings.
Here's the wiki on James Galante https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Galante
And the upcoming movie, with David Harbour of 'Stranger Things' as the lead actor https://movieweb.com/david-harbour-cooper-raiff-the-trashers-jimmy-galante/
Here's the list of the 'Untold' episodes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untold_(Netflix) We watched the two parter about Manti Te'o's 'girlfriend'. These documentaries are well done,.......except......THE DAMN BACKGROUND MUSIC IS AS LOUD OR LOUDER than most of the dialogue >:( to the point of giving us headaches.
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It would be great to get a Kraken win tonight. If it’s not a win……then please let it be a one goal close, well played game.
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It would be great to get a Kraken win tonight. If it’s not a win……then please let it be a one goal close, well played game.
I would take that. At this point, it just feels like whoever is lining up to get slaughtered by the Knights.
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It would be great to get a Kraken win tonight. If it’s not a win……then please let it be a one goal close, well played game.
I would take that. At this point, it just feels like whoever is lining up to get slaughtered by the Knights.
Nah. Knights got lucky the Oilers refused to play a team game and the Oil forwards were sissies. Either one of these teams can hang with the Kinights and/or win the series.
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I’ve been telling myself since the middle of the first period that if they keep letting them camp out in our zone for as long as they do something bad was going to happen…
And OH LOOK IT DID!!!
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We looked absolutely terrible from most of that second period. The only bright spot at this point is that it’s only one goal. But if we don’t seriously turn things around in the third, we may as well just hand in the game right now.
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The way that we are playing right now is downright depressing. If it wasn’t a one goal game, I would be tempted to walk away.
We look slow, lethargic, and we can’t even keep it in the attacking zone when the pressure is on. And we’ve had one or two decent shots but I haven’t seen us put together a decent attack cycle for half this game.
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Well, it was fun while it lasted. We’ll get ‘em next year. :tup
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That was a soft goal. That one had no business going in. But, to be fair……Groubauer is the only Kraken player playing to win tonight
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That was a soft goal. That one had no business going in. But, to be fair……Groubauer is the only Kraken player playing to win tonight
Well, the first goal happened because of a freakish bounce. So everything just seems to be going Dallas’ way tonight.
But really, the way that we’ve played tonight, they deserve it. We could not keep the puck in the attacking zone to save our lives.
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F DeBoer
Hope the Knights destroy them.
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Fun fact!
This is probably obvious, but this is the southernmost final 4 in NHL history. Vegas is the northernmost team remaining at 36° 10’ 30” north latitude. The average latitude of the four remaining cities is 32° 43’ 22”, which basically runs through south Dallas. Next closest was 2020, with the same two teams in the west but Tampa being about a degree and a half north of Sunrise and Brooklyn/Uniondale being significantly further north than Raleigh.
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Vote in Tempe came back "no", hockey in Arizona most likely coming to an end.
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Apparently, the campaign to vote No to build the new building costed $2M, while the campaign to vote Yes cost $250k. I think the NHL and the Coyotes was so sure that it was going to be Yes all the way that they didn't want to be too aggressive on their campaign and they didn't expect those that oppose it to be really aggressive in not wanting this to happen.
It's hard to feel sorry for the ownership given the history of the Coyotes from an ownership perspective has been half-baked measures and hopes it works out. I do feel sorry for the fans, the players, and the hockey programs in Arizona that this will affect.
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Bye Coyotes, bring back the Nordiques!
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The team isn't going to move to the East if that happens. Teams like Red Wings and Blue Jackets have no intentions of wanting to go back to the Central since both teams are on EST. The team may move to somewhere like Houston, or Salt Lake City, etc. and keep the team in the West due to conference alignments.
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The team isn't going to move to the East if that happens. Teams like Red Wings and Blue Jackets have no intentions of wanting to go back to the Central since both teams are on EST. The team may move to somewhere like Houston, or Salt Lake City, etc. and keep the team in the West due to conference alignments.
I'm not so sure about that. I think the league would consider stable ownership and a viable market ahead of conference alignment. Houston could make sense if the fans show up, but I can't see Salt Lake City getting a team. Nothing about Utah suggests there's an interest in hockey.
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All right, that's fine with me. I have no gripes if the Coyotes move East and there's only 15 teams in the West and 17 in the East.
Salt Lake City have hosted some pre-season games that the Kings are a part of (kinda like the Frozen Fury pre-season series in Vegas before Vegas got a team). Don't know if attendance for those are really that mind-blowing, but that's something the league can further look into and consider.
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I would absolutely riot if they somehow did a 15/17 alignment, that's ridiculous. IF the team moves East they would either stay in the Central division or somebody is getting pushed into the Central.
And I have to quickly issue an apology to some folks.
After reviewing the teams going to the conference finals, I have come to the conclusion that it's not just the draft lottery, but the entire NHL that is indeed rigged. How else could we end up with this clash of classic hockey markets at the end of the season.
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And I have to quickly issue an apology to some folks.
After reviewing the teams going to the conference finals, I have come to the conclusion that it's not just the draft lottery, but the entire NHL that is indeed rigged. How else could we end up with this clash of classic hockey markets at the end of the season.
DTF desperately needs a troll emoji. Desperately
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That's the NHL playing the long game. That's why the only game on Sunday was at 10 pm EST, that way almost no one was watching when the rigging was executed.
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The team isn't going to move to the East if that happens. Teams like Red Wings and Blue Jackets have no intentions of wanting to go back to the Central since both teams are on EST. The team may move to somewhere like Houston, or Salt Lake City, etc. and keep the team in the West due to conference alignments.
I'm not so sure about that. I think the league would consider stable ownership and a viable market ahead of conference alignment. Houston could make sense if the fans show up, but I can't see Salt Lake City getting a team. Nothing about Utah suggests there's an interest in hockey.
I keep seeing SLC as a suggestion for the Coyotes to relocate, but in a way, based on past experience, I'm with you. I grew up in the SLC area and it was primarily a basketball city since the Jazz were the only major sport in town. There's been a couple of minor league teams that have come through dating as far back as the 70s (the Salt Lake Golden Eagles were just a step below the NHL, and the Utah Grizzlies were as well until the owners downgraded them to the next league below), but incompetent ownership for both have hampered their popularity and exposure. In the 2000s, there was what seemed to be a growth in the sport thanks to the Olympics in 2002 and more ice hockey facilities were built, but I haven't lived there for 15 years and can't speak to how it's progressed (or regressed) since then.
Another big question mark would be an area for them. The Maverik Center (which hosted the Olympic hockey games) is great for hockey and there's not a bad seat in the house. But it only holds 12,000 people. By comparison, Winnipeg's arena is the smallest in the league currently and holds just over 15,000. There's also the Vivint Arena where the Jazz play, but that building is absolutely abysmal for hockey. A good portion of the seats have at least some form of sight line obstructions, the worst offenders being the cheap seats upper level where in places the closest 2/3 of the attacking/defending zone is blocked by concrete wall and can't see any action at the net. It's purely a basketball arena, and hockey did not do well there.
The SLC locals who love hockey are rabid about it and would love to support a team, but my experience was that they were few and far between. I'm not sure that there would be much interest among the casual watcher. If their prices to attend were right and they had a good product to watch, they could gain some traction. But where the Coyotes have long been a mess, I don't see that happening much. They'd probably get some interest initially where it'd be the new show in town, but unless they deliver, and deliver fast, I'd expect that to fall precipitously off the nearest cliff.
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Is anyone even considering Portland? It would keep the team in the west and make a great west coast rivalry. It’s a great sports town
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Houston would also keep a team in the West. The league wouldn’t even have to realign divisions as a move from Arizona to Houston would keep the team in the Central division.
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Well, as fascinating as the Coyotes saga has been, another saga going on has been whose the new owners for the Ottawa Senators. There's some interesting groups that wants it. There is the Neko Sparks group (that Snoop Dogg and First Nation representatives are a part of). The question with that group is that people are having concerns if Neko Sparks is a credible guy or not and if there may be way too many cooks in the kitchen in that group. There's also a group that involves The Weeknd as a minority owner and groups involves a couple of local people. Ryan Reynolds may not be part of an ownership group that owns the Sens since the group he was a part of, Remington, pulled out of wanting to place a bid due to wanting exclusivity on property stuff that the banks and league did not want to give.
Going to be interesting to see how this goes. The sale will go for around $900 million to $1 billion dollars.
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Houston would also keep a team in the West. The league wouldn’t even have to realign divisions as a move from Arizona to Houston would keep the team in the Central division.
I get that Houston would technically keep a team in the west, but Houston is only west to you East Coast people. We are from the REAL West. :lol
I just think there’s enough hockey fans in the Pacific Northwest that we could do with the Portland rivalry. And another team on the I-5 Corridor might be kind of cool.
EDIT - let’s put it this way. IMO “west” should be confined to Pacific and Mountain time zones. Central and Eastern times can be “East”
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… and with the Coyotes currently in the Central, the ideal scenario would be to have a new location in the Central or Mountain time zone. If you want a “west” Conference the way you describe it, there’d only be 9 teams. :lol
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Bring back the Kansas City Scouts!!!
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That's the NHL playing the long game. That's why the only game on Sunday was at 10 pm EST, that way almost no one was watching when the rigging was executed.
Sunday morning I checked to see what time the game was going to be on and... JFC, sometimes I wonder how they make these decisions. That was so dumb.
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That's the NHL playing the long game. That's why the only game on Sunday was at 10 pm EST, that way almost no one was watching when the rigging was executed.
Sunday morning I checked to see what time the game was going to be on and... JFC, sometimes I wonder how they make these decisions. That was so dumb.
From what I understand, the NHL asked ESPN to move the game to 7 pm on ESPN2 or move the Red Sox/Cardinals game to ESPN2 so their game could be on ESPN, and ESPN wouldn't budge. Big shock. This is what happens when the NHL gets back in bed with a network that doesn't give a crap about hockey.
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Is anyone even considering Portland? It would keep the team in the west and make a great west coast rivalry. It’s a great sports town
Houston would also keep a team in the West. The league wouldn’t even have to realign divisions as a move from Arizona to Houston would keep the team in the Central division.
I get that Houston would technically keep a team in the west, but Houston is only west to you East Coast people. We are from the REAL West. :lol
I just think there’s enough hockey fans in the Pacific Northwest that we could do with the Portland rivalry. And another team on the I-5 Corridor might be kind of cool.
EDIT - let’s put it this way. IMO “west” should be confined to Pacific and Mountain time zones. Central and Eastern times can be “East”
I can't speak intelligently about Portland as a sports town, but aren't the Blazers the only game in town (along with the Single-A Hillsboro Hops, I guess)? It's certainly got the population to support a team, but is there any interest?
As the NHL as it currently exists, 16 of its teams are in the eastern time zone, with the other 16 spread across the central, mountain and Pacific time zones. If you want to limit the Western Conference to the Pacific and mountain time zones, then you'll have 22 teams in the Eastern Conference and only 10 in the Western Conference.
The biggest cities in the Pacific time zone that don't have teams are San Francisco, Long Beach, San Diego, Portland and Sacramento/Fresno. San Francisco and Long Beach are pretty well covered by the Sharks, Kings and Ducks (although it's possible that the Bay area could support a second team). In the mountain time zone, you've got El Paso, Albuquerque, Colorado Springs/Aurora and a few Arizona cities (mostly suburbs of Phoenix). SLC doesn't make the list on its own, but the metro area is probably big enough. I suppose it's possible that the Denver metro area could support a second team (reincarnation of the Colorado Rockies?).
In short, there simply aren't many decent options for those time zones. I know it'll never happen (especially since the league added two teams in the last 10 years), but contraction would be a better option.
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I guess limiting it to those two time zones is unreasonable. But I would still like to see West teams be as West as possible.
Portland has a lot of support for the WHL Blackhawks…so there are hockey supporters.
The other weird idea I had that probably wouldn’t be a popular one is another Canadian team. I would like to see an NHL team in Kamloops. But that’s an idea that would probably crash and burn which is why I’m not in charge. It’s just another area that is not very big, but loves their hockey.
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Kamloops isn't even close to big enough to support a pro team lol. The only "larger" markets in Canada without teams are Quebec City and Regina. You'd fare better with a 2nd team in the greater Toronto area than you would adding a team in BC someplace.
I'm not sure a city like Portland could support an NBA and NHL team. The seasons overlap so much that it's hard to fill the arena every night when you're relying on fans of one sport to show up to support the other sport, too. The cities with multiple pro teams typically have huge populations. I think they'd add another California team in the San Diego or Oakland area before going to the pacific northwest.
I read an article yesterday suggesting they go back to Atlanta. For all of the NHL administration's faults, of which there are many, I sure hope they have the good sense to ignore nonsense like "let's put a team back in Atlanta".
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Currently, the 16 westernmost teams are in the Western Conference.
Another Canadian team would be fine. The Kamloops metro area has a population just under 115,000, so that's probably not viable. Saskatoon or Regina would be a better option, but I think there are even fewer viable markets in western Canada than in the U.S. (of course, I defer to our Canadian compatriots in that regard). Of course, the question for any potential market is whether there's a viable ownership group and either an existing NHL-quality arena or the ability to get one built. Portland is certainly logical in terms of market size, but who knows if those things exist.
I read an article yesterday suggesting they go back to Atlanta. For all of the NHL administration's faults, of which there are many, I sure hope they have the good sense to ignore nonsense like "let's put a team back in Atlanta".
LOL! Third time's a charm?
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In defense of the Thrashers, their arena owners basically kicked them out when they saw that concert revenue was more profitable and decided they wanted to open up more available dates to book shows. Plus how hilarious would it be if Winnipeg and Atlanta basically swapped franchises?
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This Hurricanes/Panthers game doesn't want to end. We are going to 4OT. We have went a full game length without someone scoring.
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This Hurricanes/Panthers game doesn't want to end. We are going to 4OT. We have went a full game length without someone scoring.
This is crazy. These guys are gassed.
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Heck of a game. Florida had a lot more quality chances in that last OT. Not surprised they won it. Nice shot by Tkchuck also.
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Tkachuk with the game winner with 12 seconds left in the 4th OT at 155 AM EST….sixth longest game. Insomnia has weird rewards at times…
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Bobrovsky with 63 saves this game.
He's quite a hot and cold goalie, but if there's any time for him to be red hot and play like a $10M AAV goalie, now is the time. He is right now, the number one cop in town.
SERGEI BOBROVSKY! #1 COP IN TOWN! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksb7UlwCIKQ&ab_channel=iguardo)
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I'm amazed I made it to the final goal, but I dozed off for a good chunk of 3OT. I didn't even watch much of the regular time, but when I saw it was heading in to OT, I settled in. Lots of great chances on both ends - both Freddie and Bobs were fantastic. It took a perfect shot to win it.
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I missed the second period and 1st OT, but otherwise watched till the end. Happy that someone mercifully ended it before intermission.
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We're not talking enough about Paul Maurice, in my opinion.
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We're not talking enough about Paul Maurice, in my opinion.
He's doing a good job the last month, for sure. But Florida is only in the playoffs because Pitt couldn't get a couple of points out of two games vs Chicago. Additionally, if Buffalo wins their last 1:1 matchup against Florida at the end of March, they're in. The Panthers had a lot of good fortune roll their way over the last 3 weeks of the season.
And If he was such a great coach, how did his teams in Winnipeg routinely shit the bed?
Despite Gary's hate for him (and I generally don't care for him), Pete DeBoer deserves some recognition too. He's undefeated as a head coach in Game 7s, and has reached the conference finals 5 of the last 8 years with three different teams. Like him or not, that's pretty impressive.
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We're not talking enough about Paul Maurice, in my opinion.
He's doing a good job the last month, for sure. But Florida is only in the playoffs because Pitt couldn't get a couple of points out of two games vs Chicago. Additionally, if Buffalo wins their last 1:1 matchup against Florida at the end of March, they're in. The Panthers had a lot of good fortune roll their way over the last 3 weeks of the season.
And If he was such a great coach, how did his teams in Winnipeg routinely shit the bed?
Despite Gary's hate for him (and I generally don't care for him), Pete DeBoer deserves some recognition too. He's undefeated as a head coach in Game 7s, and has reached the conference finals 5 of the last 8 years with three different teams. Like him or not, that's pretty impressive.
I can't speak to Winnipeg. I know him from Hartford and Carolina. And he made a lot out of.... not a lot in those stints.
As for the rest, how Florida made the playoffs is immaterial; they made it. If Buffalo did this or did that is irrelevant, because they DIDN'T. I know he made some comments at the start of the Boston series about taking it to the B's, and my stepson and I laughed about it (stay in your lane, Paul!) but sunovabitch if his team didn't ACTUALLY take it to the B's. Gudas in particular has played like a behemoth in the playoffs. I think that's in part on Paul.
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We're not talking enough about Paul Maurice, in my opinion.
He's doing a good job the last month, for sure. But Florida is only in the playoffs because Pitt couldn't get a couple of points out of two games vs Chicago. Additionally, if Buffalo wins their last 1:1 matchup against Florida at the end of March, they're in. The Panthers had a lot of good fortune roll their way over the last 3 weeks of the season.
And If he was such a great coach, how did his teams in Winnipeg routinely shit the bed?
Despite Gary's hate for him (and I generally don't care for him), Pete DeBoer deserves some recognition too. He's undefeated as a head coach in Game 7s, and has reached the conference finals 5 of the last 8 years with three different teams. Like him or not, that's pretty impressive.
Yeah....my distain for him is just a competitive distain. I'm sure the dude is a good guy, and he is a good coach and he's done a good job in Dallas. Like I said, my dislike for the guy came from the way he behaved in the pressers when the Blues played them in 2019 when we beat the crap out of their team every game that series. Him smirking and being cocky about the 'hand pass' goal was the starting point of me detesting him....but it was fun to watch him whine about being beat up every game.
Florida is just hot at the right time and playing well as a team. Belief and determination to lay it all out there for one another is just as important as skill at this point, probably more important. Just ask McDavid and the Oilers. Prime example of an organization that hasn't figured out it takes a TEAM to win the Cup.....not flashy plays and a couple players with good stats.
Even last night....for most of the OT's Tkchuck got beat up pretty good with some nice checks because he was just making the 'smart' plays and sticking to their team game.....then....boom....right place, right time and a heck of a snipe.
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So, Jingle. Dubas is out as Leafs GM. I'm getting the feeling that there's a "Sky is falling," vibe going on with the Leafs (although that feeling can come at any moment with that team). Is that the case right now or is it an over exaggeration when it comes to where this team is going heading into 23-24 season?
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So, Jingle. Dubas is out as Leafs GM. I'm getting the feeling that there's a "Sky is falling," vibe going on with the Leafs (although that feeling can come at any moment with that team). Is that the case right now or is it an over exaggeration when it comes to where this team is going heading into 23-24 season?
The one person who did his job is fired. I get it but he assembled a team that ‘should’ still be playing hockey.
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Shanahan’s presser was really flicking weird. Hard to go in to it all, but I’m not sure it’s a ‘sky is falling’, so much as SOMETHING has to change. The Board of MLSE wasn’t getting rid of Shanahan, so for some bizarre reason, Shanny made the decision to not renew Dubas (even though as recently as Monday, he was ready and willing to). For some reason, he changed his mind during the week, and there’s gonna be a lot of falling dominoes now. Apparently Spezza resigned.
Hot take: I’ll bet that Matthews is traded before his NMC kicks in on July 1st. Though personally, I think moving Nylander is the better move.
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Hot take: I’ll bet that Matthews is traded before his NMC kicks in on July 1st. Though personally, I think moving Nylander is the better move.
Moving either would be fucking crazy. If they have to move someone, I'd move Tavares.
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He’s got a full NMC, and 3 young kids growing up in his home town. A) no way he’d waive it; B) what team wants his $11M AAV given his production? The team would have to retain somewhere between 25% and 50%; C) he won’t waive his NMC.
I never did like that contract, and the team is stuck with it for 2 more years.
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He’s got a full NMC, and 3 young kids growing up in his home town. A) no way he’d waive it; B) what team wants his $11M AAV given his production? The team would have to retain somewhere between 25% and 50%; C) he won’t waive his NMC.
I never did like that contract, and the team is stuck with it for 2 more years.
I figured all that. To me, Nylander gives them a whole 'nuther dimension. I feel like he's a sneaky difference maker. The only person I'm trading Matthews for is McDavid, and even then, I'd have to think about it.
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Problem is, if there isn’t a STRONG sense that they can extend him come July 1st (and now they don’t have the guy that could easily re-sign him) how do you let him potentially walk for nothing next summer?
Nylander is an FA next season. He had a great season - his stock has never been higher. He’s gonna cost in the $9M range to extend. Or, you move him now and get maximum value for him. Marner is still under contract for 2 years, and a way better and more important player. Plus, when the team needs to re-sign Marner, Tavares’ contract is up, and I’d guess you get a 34 year old Tavares at 1/2 the price he’s signed for now. A lot of that savings goes to Marner.
I really don’t know what possible trade exists involving Matthews that the Leafs could break even, let alone ‘win’. But I also wouldn’t want to see him walk for nothing in return.
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That all makes sense. I wasn't aware of all of the contract implications. I didn't realize there was a decision to make on Matthews. I have a hard time imagining him wanting to play anywhere else. I'd assume he's taking some heat from the media?
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With an unknown situation at GM, who knows what the players are thinking …. Or Keefe for that matter. There’s a lot of question marks that are going to pop up given it was NOT Dubas that made the decision to not return. Shanny ostensibly fired him - Shanahan freely admitted in his presser that Dubas said he wanted to come back as of yesterday.
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Man, I really hate Matthew Tkachuk, but holy crap, every team in the league needs to find a player like him. Two straight OT goals by him gives the Panthers a 2-0 lead.
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Man, I really hate Matthew Tkachuk, but holy crap, every team in the league needs to find a player like him. Two straight OT goals by him gives the Panthers a 2-0 lead.
Yeah……he’s cocky but he backs it up. He’s legit for sure. He brought instant moxi and attitude to that team and it’s worked out well for them. And, while he is cocky and a pest he isn’t Marchand level douchbaggery.
Doesn’t hurt when your goalie has returned to Vezna level play either
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Man, I really hate Matthew Tkachuk, but holy crap, every team in the league needs to find a player like him. Two straight OT goals by him gives the Panthers a 2-0 lead.
Yeah……he’s cocky but he backs it up. He’s legit for sure. He brought instant moxi and attitude to that team and it’s worked out well for them. And, while he is cocky and a pest he isn’t Marchand level douchbaggery.
Doesn’t hurt when your goalie has returned to Vezna level play either
All of this.
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Yeah Bobrovsky has really come back strong.
Also, Tkachuk is legit.
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Eight straight road wins for Florida in the playoffs.
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So...I don't think it'll happen, but if both series are sweeps does that mean we all sit around for 7-10 days waiting for the SCF to start?
Eight straight road wins for Florida in the playoffs.
Yup...they look a lot like the 2012 Kings, who had 10 straight road wins, with the only road loss being game 5 of the SCF.
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I presume if both series are sweeps then the cup finals starts early, but I guess it all depends on their network scheduling to accommodate it.
On another note, CapFriendly has updated their site to reflect the cap hits for the 23-24 season now if the cap goes up to $83.5M. This is what teams has to work with to be within budget. Some teams will have players that they can move to LTIR to create more space as well.
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Watching the post-game interview with Bobs made me chuckle
Bukaskis: "Was this the loudest you've ever heard this arena?"
Bobs: "Of course it was, it's never been sold out since I came here".
Naturally, that wasn't his answer, but he dodged around it by saying something like 'we have great support from our fans'
I get how fans can be 'fair weather', but that fucking arena looks barely 1/2 full during the regular season, and there were even a lot of empty seats in rounds 1 and 2. Those fans don't deserve the team that Florida has become this playoff season.
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They'd honestly draw better if they played in Miami. Their arena is out in the Ft. Lauderdale suburbs. Makes no sense.
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Watching the post-game interview with Bobs made me chuckle
Bukaskis: "Was this the loudest you've ever heard this arena?"
Bobs: "Of course it was, it's never been sold out since I came here".
Naturally, that wasn't his answer, but he dodged around it by saying something like 'we have great support from our fans'
I get how fans can be 'fair weather', but that fucking arena looks barely 1/2 full during the regular season, and there were even a lot of empty seats in rounds 1 and 2. Those fans don't deserve the team that Florida has become this playoff season.
I can’t speak for Florida, but some of this is just cost.
As much as I love my Kraken, I have a ton of responsibilities at home. And spending probably somewhere around $500 total (that’s figuring in tickets, parking, and food for 2 people) to go to the city, stress about where to park, stress about trying to get out when it’s done, and possibly on a weeknight no less… I just stick to watching on TV.
But would I do ALL of that for a playoff game if I had the chance? Maybe even a Stanley Cup game? Oh heck yes!!
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They'd honestly draw better if they played in Miami. Their arena is out in the Ft. Lauderdale suburbs. Makes no sense.
Yep. Really questionable location......bit the Coyotes in the ass that's for sure. Just a dumb spot to put your arena.
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Interestingly, there is a very real chance that all four NHL and NBA conference final series could end in sweeps. I heard something on the broadcast of the Nuggets game last night to the effect that the NBA Finals won't start until June 1, and I found an article that says the SCF will start on June 3 (apparently without regard to how the conference finals shake out. That means there will potentially be a LOT of dead time with these leagues. Couple that with the non-traditional markets likely to be in the finals, and we've got the potential for record low ratings for both finals.
Also, now's as good a time as any to review the myth of the NHL conference finals trophies.
It appears that the idea of not touching the conference finals trophy started with the 1997 Flyers. Of course, the Flyers were swept in the 1997 SCF, so it didn't really work out for them.
Over the 25 seasons from 1997-2022:
- The team that won the Cup touched the conference finals trophy 14 times and didn't touch it 11 times.
- The team that lost in the SCF touched the conference finals trophy only 9 times and didn't touch it 16 times.
- In 14 of 25 seasons, the two conference finals winners did the same thing, so those seasons provide no basis for comparison
- In the 11 of 25 seasons in which the two conference finals winners did different things, the team that touched the conference finals trophy won 8 times, while the team that didn't touch it won only 3 times.
- In 2008, Sidney Crosby didn't touch the Prince of Wales Trophy, and the Penguins lost. In 2009, Crosby touched the Wales trophy, and the Penguins won (in both seasons, Nicklas Lidstrom did not touch the Clarence Campbell Bowl).
CONCLUSION: The myth that touching the conference finals trophy is a curse is complete bullshit, and the data suggests exactly the opposite.
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Nice work by the captain Jamie Benn. He probably just killed any chance the Stars had to come back and win this series.
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Nice work by the captain Jamie Benn. He probably just killed any chance the Stars had to come back and win this series.
Just a dumb play…..not to mention dirty as hell. Then, the cohorts on ESPN are trying to say it was “out of character” for him :lol what a load of :censored He’s always been a dirty player and a baby. Hopefully he sits for a couple games.
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He'll get at least one... but that's all it's gonna take. Dallas' tank is empty. The shine is off Oettinger for this playoff year; seems he's got a case of the Binners (minus the Stanley Cup ring).
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He'll get at least one... but that's all it's gonna take. Dallas' tank is empty. The shine is off Oettinger for this playoff year; seems he's got a case of the Binners (minus the Stanley Cup ring).
It looks like the Kraken ran them dry. Really wish the Kraken would have won…..I’d bet these games would be more fun to watch.
At least that dough bag DoBoeur will be denied the cup. But condolences to jingle.daughter as her cheering interest team will soon be gone.
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Save the condolences for jingle.son. He's a way bigger fan for Carolina than jingle.daughter is of Dallas. She hasn't even been watching the games.
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Oyyy, pretty soon, I won't have any horses I would like to win the cup. I can't root for Vegas. Can't root for Panthers because of Tkachuk. Hurricanes are on the ropes and can't find a way to get high-quality shots on Bobrovsky and the Stars fell apart just two minutes into Game 3 with the Benn misconduct.
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So who we rooting for in the Finals, Vegas or Florida?
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I guess, by proxy, Panthers. By the way, if this does go to a Panthers/Golden Knights finals, no matter who wins, a team with a $10M AAV or more player will have finally won a cup in the Salary Cap era. Panthers have Bobrovsky and Barkov. Golden Knights have Eichel.
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If probably pull for Vegas die to them having Petro and Barby. Especially Petro. Armstrong did him wrong by not signing him and that was the beginning of the ‘downfall’ of what was a very reliable defense for years…..because of how freaking good and reliable Petro is.
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Speaking of Armstrong, there's a (hopefully weak) rumour circulating that Armstrong may be a candidate for the Leafs job. Based on everything you've griped about the past couple of years Gary, I'm hoping this is a nothing-burger.
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I know Vegas is on a roll as well, but I don't see them beating Florida. The Panthers have that look of a team that is not going to denied.
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Speaking of Armstrong, there's a (hopefully weak) rumour circulating that Armstrong may be a candidate for the Leafs job. Based on everything you've griped about the past couple of years Gary, I'm hoping this is a nothing-burger.
There’s no way he’d agree to be micro managed by Shanahan. Plus, he re-signed last year for a handful of years here but I guess that’s simple to get out of.
He has his good traits but he also has his bad ones. Like refusing to hand out NMC’s and he’s never bought out a contract. Both limit what you can do and players you can keep around or move on from.
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Especially Petro. Armstrong did him wrong by not signing him and that was the beginning of the ‘downfall’ of what was a very reliable defense for years…..because of how freaking good and reliable Petro is.
I never understood this. And then to sign Krug to the contract he did...WTF? That made even less sense.
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So who we rooting for in the Finals, Vegas or Florida?
Florida and it's not even close.
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Speaking of Armstrong, there's a (hopefully weak) rumour circulating that Armstrong may be a candidate for the Leafs job. Based on everything you've griped about the past couple of years Gary, I'm hoping this is a nothing-burger.
There’s no way he’d agree to be micro managed by Shanahan. Plus, he re-signed last year for a handful of years here but I guess that’s simple to get out of.
He has his good traits but he also has his bad ones. Like refusing to hand out NMC’s and he’s never bought out a contract. Both limit what you can do and players you can keep around or move on from.
He's the anti-Ken Holland. Ken Holland, towards the end of his tenure in Detroit, was handing NMC's like candy at Halloween.
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Florida just seems like the team of destiny right now. They are definitely on one hell of a hot streak in the playoffs. I just can't pull for Vegas, so I hope the Panthers win the Cup.
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This just dawned on me … Assuming Florida makes the SCF, it will mark the 4th time in 5 years that the Leafs lost to the eventual Eastern Conference Champ - 3 of which were 7 game series:
2019 - Boston
2021 - Montreal
2022 - Tampa
2023 - Florida
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I have no major gripes with any of the teams left, but was really pulling for Carolina. It's unfortunate for them, if they do get swept they will have played about as any team could while still getting swept.
Assuming it's Panthers v. Vegas, I'm happy either way. At the end of the day, Vegas GM deserved heaps of praises. The expansion draft rules were not set for instant victory, but he fleeced the league within the guidelines and built something amazing. From there he's not been afraid to take big swings and hey, most of the time he's been right and he's made it work.
Florida is just a feel good story. You have Tkachuk coming there and doing amazing things for the entire team. I have always had a soft spot for Bob and am glad to see him doing so well. Nick Cousins is a solid depth guy who I liked with the Flyers. And then there is Radko Gudas. He had some discipline problems early, but I feel like he has been undervalued his entire career. Solid defenseman who has provided a steady hand for several teams now. Would love to see him get a cup.
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Especially Petro. Armstrong did him wrong by not signing him and that was the beginning of the ‘downfall’ of what was a very reliable defense for years…..because of how freaking good and reliable Petro is.
I never understood this. And then to sign Krug to the contract he did...WTF? That made even less sense.
No one understands it. He signed Krug BEFORE Petro even signed with Vegas....while he was still supposedly negotiating with Petro. Petrangelo was never an ultimate top tier Defenseman but he crossed into that bottom section of 'top tier' in that Stanley Cup run and victory. What he was and still remains is a D Man that will log over 30 minutes a game, smart...and is positionally perfect and a really good defender. Oh yeah, good on PP's and PK's also and universally loved by any teammate he's ever had.
It made no sense not to give the First Captain of the Blues ever to hoist the Cup what he wanted. A NMC and some guaranteed $$$. The way he takes care of himself, even the back end of his contract he'll be a very serviceable third line D man and great to have in the locker room.
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Especially Petro. Armstrong did him wrong by not signing him and that was the beginning of the ‘downfall’ of what was a very reliable defense for years…..because of how freaking good and reliable Petro is.
I never understood this. And then to sign Krug to the contract he did...WTF? That made even less sense.
No one understands it. He signed Krug BEFORE Petro even signed with Vegas....while he was still supposedly negotiating with Petro. Petrangelo was never an ultimate top tier Defenseman but he crossed into that bottom section of 'top tier' in that Stanley Cup run and victory. What he was and still remains is a D Man that will log over 30 minutes a game, smart...and is positionally perfect and a really good defender. Oh yeah, good on PP's and PK's also and universally loved by any teammate he's ever had.
It made no sense not to give the First Captain of the Blues ever to hoist the Cup what he wanted. A NMC and some guaranteed $$$. The way he takes care of himself, even the back end of his contract he'll be a very serviceable third line D man and great to have in the locker room.
Wait, what? I could have swore we were both in agreement at the time that letting Petro go elsewhere was the right move.
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Especially Petro. Armstrong did him wrong by not signing him and that was the beginning of the ‘downfall’ of what was a very reliable defense for years…..because of how freaking good and reliable Petro is.
I never understood this. And then to sign Krug to the contract he did...WTF? That made even less sense.
No one understands it. He signed Krug BEFORE Petro even signed with Vegas....while he was still supposedly negotiating with Petro. Petrangelo was never an ultimate top tier Defenseman but he crossed into that bottom section of 'top tier' in that Stanley Cup run and victory. What he was and still remains is a D Man that will log over 30 minutes a game, smart...and is positionally perfect and a really good defender. Oh yeah, good on PP's and PK's also and universally loved by any teammate he's ever had.
It made no sense not to give the First Captain of the Blues ever to hoist the Cup what he wanted. A NMC and some guaranteed $$$. The way he takes care of himself, even the back end of his contract he'll be a very serviceable third line D man and great to have in the locker room.
Wait, what? I could have swore we were both in agreement at the time that letting Petro go elsewhere was the right move.
Pertaining to the guaranteed money....yes. Still don't know if he's worth it.....But I think that could have been negotiated more were Armstrong more receptive to the NMC. Even back then Petro was always going to give you a solid 3-4 years.....it was always the back end that was questionable.
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Jamie Benn on the cross-check that led to his game misconduct:
“The game happens fast, emotions are high. Obviously I would have liked to not fall on him and use my stick as a landing point.”
I understand in the moment when emotions are high, but you can’t even own up to it after the fact? What a colossal prick.
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Jamie Benn on the cross-check that led to his game misconduct:
“The game happens fast, emotions are high. Obviously I would have liked to not fall on him and use my stick as a landing point.”
I understand in the moment when emotions are high, but you can’t even own up to it after the fact? What a colossal prick.
What a cop out.....he's just trying to save money with that statement. Everyone saw it.....everyone knows that he intentionally crossed checked his chin. There was no falling and using his stick as a landing point. He used Stones head as a target.
This dude is a freaking a$$hole....plain and simple. He's 'benn' dirty for ages. Hope he gets the max fine and multiple games.
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I had a hockey game of my own last night, so didn't really get to watch the replays from that game till this afternoon. That's a fucking awful play by Benn. I hope he gets more games, not less, for that bullshit response.
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Especially Petro. Armstrong did him wrong by not signing him and that was the beginning of the ‘downfall’ of what was a very reliable defense for years…..because of how freaking good and reliable Petro is.
I never understood this. And then to sign Krug to the contract he did...WTF? That made even less sense.
No one understands it. He signed Krug BEFORE Petro even signed with Vegas....while he was still supposedly negotiating with Petro. Petrangelo was never an ultimate top tier Defenseman but he crossed into that bottom section of 'top tier' in that Stanley Cup run and victory. What he was and still remains is a D Man that will log over 30 minutes a game, smart...and is positionally perfect and a really good defender. Oh yeah, good on PP's and PK's also and universally loved by any teammate he's ever had.
It made no sense not to give the First Captain of the Blues ever to hoist the Cup what he wanted. A NMC and some guaranteed $$$. The way he takes care of himself, even the back end of his contract he'll be a very serviceable third line D man and great to have in the locker room.
Wait, what? I could have swore we were both in agreement at the time that letting Petro go elsewhere was the right move.
Pertaining to the guaranteed money....yes. Still don't know if he's worth it.....But I think that could have been negotiated more were Armstrong more receptive to the NMC. Even back then Petro was always going to give you a solid 3-4 years.....it was always the back end that was questionable.
Fair enough. :tup :tup
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Jamie Benn on the cross-check that led to his game misconduct:
“The game happens fast, emotions are high. Obviously I would have liked to not fall on him and use my stick as a landing point.”
I understand in the moment when emotions are high, but you can’t even own up to it after the fact? What a colossal prick.
So...what is he saying? That he fell and the whole thing was an unfortunate accident? If so, what does it matter if "emotions are high." Or is he saying that he made a dumb decision because his "emotions [were running] high"? Seems like a mixed message. Given that he got two games, I'm guessing either he abandoned the whole "oops...I fell into him" argument or DPS didn't buy it (now reading that DPS "emphasized that Benn was in complete control of the play and deliberately chose to execute the dangerous cross-check on a prone player," so I guess it's the latter).
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Jamie Benn on the cross-check that led to his game misconduct:
“The game happens fast, emotions are high. Obviously I would have liked to not fall on him and use my stick as a landing point.”
I understand in the moment when emotions are high, but you can’t even own up to it after the fact? What a colossal prick.
So...what is he saying? That he fell and the whole thing was an unfortunate accident? If so, what does it matter if "emotions are high." Or is he saying that he made a dumb decision because his "emotions [were running] high"? Seems like a mixed message. Given that he got two games, I'm guessing either he abandoned the whole "oops...I fell into him" argument or DPS didn't buy it (now reading that DPS "emphasized that Benn was in complete control of the play and deliberately chose to execute the dangerous cross-check on a prone player," so I guess it's the latter).
The lack of accountability is disgusting, and I personally think that should have played a factor in his suspension. He skipped the post game interviews which means he had an entire day to cool off and reflect on the situation, but he still refused to admit he was wrong. That’s dirtbag behavior and a more severe punishment should have been handed out to him.
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Tkachuk. Unreal. Kid comes to play.
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Frik dude. He did it again. Another game-winning goal for Matthew Tkachuk with 4 seconds left to sweep the series. Three game-winning goals this series.
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Carolina probably deserved a better fate than being swept, but deserve's got nothing to do with it. There is no stopping the Panthers.
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Carolina probably deserved a better fate than being swept, but deserve's got nothing to do with it. There is no stopping the Panthers.
If Vegas is smart they lose the next game intentionally to let Florida sit around longer and cool down. They’re on a roll.
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I just think it’s wild that they were the lowest point team in the entire league to make the playoffs. They *barely* eeked out the Sabres for Pete’s sake!
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I just think it’s wild that they were the lowest point team in the entire league to make the playoffs. They *barely* eeked out the Sabres for Pete’s sake!
And the last team to qualify for the playoffs.
As Friedman repeated a couple of times last night, NONE of this is happening if the Penguins beat the Blackhawks - IN PITTSBURGH!! - on the 3rd last day of the regular season.
And as Calgary fans are quick to point out, Florida finished with less points than the Flames.
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I still think it is wild that if Marchand had scored on the breakaway at the end of Game 5 in the 1st round (which literally would have been with 1-2 seconds left), the Panthers are eliminated. Instead, the save is made, they go on to win that game, and have only lost one game since. Just crazy.
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Or if Ullmark doesn't make that bonehead play, maybe Boston wins that game in OT. I know there are a lot of "ifs" involved (for any team, win or lose), and I'm not diminishing the performance this team is putting on ... but as I mentioned earlier, the Panthers seem to have been the beneficiary of more than their fair share of good fortune over the last 7 weeks. Some of it they made themselves (eg, Game 5 vs the Bs); some of it had nothing to do with them (eg, Pitt losing to Chi).
Playoff hockey is amazing!
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It's all part of the fabric of playing sports. I know as a B's fan, there were more than a couple questionable calls (Radko Gudas committed enough felonies to have bail be on the table) but that's the way the game goes. "If's" don't matter a bit once it happens. Tkachuk is playing lights out, no question, but it's really the goaltending that's doing it. In 2023 this is a politically incorrect thing to say, but I'm a VERY big fan of "Russian goaltenders" in the playoffs; those guys are - or can be - ice, and Sergei is certainly that over the last couple weeks.
And as I've said, "Paul Maurice". It's never "one" or even "two" guys, else the Bruins and the Oilers would still be in it. Maurice has his guys from Line 1 to Line 4 playing like their lives depend on it.
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I still think it is wild that if Marchand had scored on the breakaway at the end of Game 5 in the 1st round (which literally would have been with 1-2 seconds left), the Panthers are eliminated. Instead, the save is made, they go on to win that game, and have only lost one game since. Just crazy.
Which is great :lol But seriously, yeah....he buries that and the entire playoff landscape is changed.
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What a game last night! Tkachuk got the last laugh after taking that stick to the nards at the end of the 1st period. Paul Maurice definitely has the Panthers locker room loose and playing well. It's always nice motivation when you squeak in the playoffs and no one has you doing anything. They really are playing well though, especially considering the teams they have taken out.
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What a game last night! Tkachuk got the last laugh after taking that stick to the nards at the end of the 1st period. Paul Maurice definitely has the Panthers locker room loose and playing well. It's always nice motivation when you squeak in the playoffs and no one has you doing anything. They really are playing well though, especially considering the teams they have taken out.
I was all set for overtime. I walked out of the room just before Carolina got the power play, and I walked back in to see the flurry in front of the net that preceded the goal. Crazy stuff. And I know one of the broadcasters made the comparison to the 2012 Kings, which I've seen a lot of.
Carolina probably deserved a better fate than being swept, but deserve's got nothing to do with it. There is no stopping the Panthers.
If Vegas is smart they lose the next game intentionally to let Florida sit around longer and cool down. They’re on a roll.
SCF starts on June 3 regardless. Vegas can decide if they prefer rest or rust, but it will have zero impact on how long the Panthers sit around.
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Watching the post-game interview with Bobs made me chuckle
Bukaskis: "Was this the loudest you've ever heard this arena?"
Bobs: "Of course it was, it's never been sold out since I came here".
Naturally, that wasn't his answer, but he dodged around it by saying something like 'we have great support from our fans'
I get how fans can be 'fair weather', but that fucking arena looks barely 1/2 full during the regular season, and there were even a lot of empty seats in rounds 1 and 2. Those fans don't deserve the team that Florida has become this playoff season.
As an ex-floridian and someone who lived in Miami for a stint everything in that area is about as fair weather as it gets with the possible exception of University of Miami football.
Lightning was a different story. I had season tickets for a couple of years and that arena was always at least 3/4 packed and IMO the crowd was more into it than the couple of Leaf's games I've been to.
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SCF starts on June 3 regardless. Vegas can decide if they prefer rest or rust, but it will have zero impact on how long the Panthers sit around.
Ahh....yeah, I guess it doesn't matter. But, that being said.....Florida waiting until 6/3 to play again only benefits the Knights. I don't see how Florida sitting around and not continuing to ride that momentum while it's fresh helps them at all.
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The Panthers on average had about 16,700 people per game for the regular season per hockey-references. The 7th lowest average attendance in the league. I'm surprised the Devils are on the lower end of that list. The team was really good throughout the season, but that building surprisingly does not have a huge capacity.
https://www.hockey-reference.com/friv/attendance.cgi
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SCF starts on June 3 regardless. Vegas can decide if they prefer rest or rust, but it will have zero impact on how long the Panthers sit around.
Ahh....yeah, I guess it doesn't matter. But, that being said.....Florida waiting until 6/3 to play again only benefits the Knights. I don't see how Florida sitting around and not continuing to ride that momentum while it's fresh helps them at all.
NHL released the SCF schedule today, and it looks like they'll start on May 31st if Dallas is eliminated after game 5. Otherwise, they start on June 3rd.
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The Panthers on average had about 16,700 people per game for the regular season per hockey-references. The 7th lowest average attendance in the league. I'm surprised the Devils are on the lower end of that list. The team was really good throughout the season, but that building surprisingly does not have a huge capacity.
https://www.hockey-reference.com/friv/attendance.cgi
The Devils also got off to a slow start attendance-wise because the team basically hasn't been good for a decade and wasn't expected to be good this year. Toom a while for the ticket sales to catch up with performance.
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SCF starts on June 3 regardless. Vegas can decide if they prefer rest or rust, but it will have zero impact on how long the Panthers sit around.
Ahh....yeah, I guess it doesn't matter. But, that being said.....Florida waiting until 6/3 to play again only benefits the Knights. I don't see how Florida sitting around and not continuing to ride that momentum while it's fresh helps them at all.
NHL released the SCF schedule today, and it looks like they'll start on May 31st if Dallas is eliminated after game 5. Otherwise, they start on June 3rd.
Interesting. That's a surprisingly smart move by the league.
Also, I'm guessing those attendance numbers are tickets sold and not actual attendance.
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SCF starts on June 3 regardless. Vegas can decide if they prefer rest or rust, but it will have zero impact on how long the Panthers sit around.
Ahh....yeah, I guess it doesn't matter. But, that being said.....Florida waiting until 6/3 to play again only benefits the Knights. I don't see how Florida sitting around and not continuing to ride that momentum while it's fresh helps them at all.
NHL released the SCF schedule today, and it looks like they'll start on May 31st if Dallas is eliminated after game 5. Otherwise, they start on June 3rd.
Interesting. That's a surprisingly smart move by the league.
Also, I'm guessing those attendance numbers are tickets sold and not actual attendance.
That was the very first thought i had after reading about it.
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SCF starts on June 3 regardless. Vegas can decide if they prefer rest or rust, but it will have zero impact on how long the Panthers sit around.
Ahh....yeah, I guess it doesn't matter. But, that being said.....Florida waiting until 6/3 to play again only benefits the Knights. I don't see how Florida sitting around and not continuing to ride that momentum while it's fresh helps them at all.
NHL released the SCF schedule today, and it looks like they'll start on May 31st if Dallas is eliminated after game 5. Otherwise, they start on June 3rd.
Interesting. That's a surprisingly smart move by the league.
Also, I'm guessing those attendance numbers are tickets sold and not actual attendance.
Came in here to post this exactly.
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Here we are thinking, Benn got ejected two minutes in Game three, Stars get clobbered, Benn gets suspended for two games, Stars is going to lose one of the two and the series is over right? Nope, there will be a Game 6, meaning that no matter what, the Cup Finals starts on June 3rd. Now the intriguing question would be with the suspension over, will the Stars scratch Jamie Benn or not? Finally got some pep in their step after winning two games this series.
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It’s crap he’s getting a chance to keep playing anyway.
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Here we are thinking, Benn got ejected two minutes in Game three, Stars get clobbered, Benn gets suspended for two games, Stars is going to lose one of the two and the series is over right? Nope, there will be a Game 6, meaning that no matter what, the Cup Finals starts on June 3rd. Now the intriguing question would be with the suspension over, will the Stars scratch Jamie Benn or not? Finally got some pep in their step after winning two games this series.
There is precisely 0% chance of scratching a $9.5M player. There's an equal chance that Vegas scratches Stone since they've lost the last 2 in a row.
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It is hard to root for Dallas after that nonsense by both Benn and their fans in Game 3, but this will be hilarious if Vegas somehow totally collapses and loses the series.
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Loving that Dallas win; playoff hockey is playoff hockey. I can't stand Butch Cassidy and the whole idea of "Vegas" as a sports Mecca bugs me (I'm still not at all comfortable with the explosion of on-line gambling and the way so many ACTIVE athletes are cashing in on it. Mark my words, trouble is a-brewin'!).
Florida-Dallas ALL THE WAY!!!!!!
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I can't stand Butch Cassidy
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Nice work by the Stars last night. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
And the Finals really don't start till Saturday?? WTF? :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Ugh, of course the finals don't start till June 3rd...
Besides the long wait, I am excited for this series. I'll take Panthers in 6.
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I guess the NHL drew the short straw and didn't want to compete with the NBA Finals starting on Thursday, but why not Friday? There isn't anything else scheduled at T-Mobile Arena that day. Maybe they knew I was going to see Helloween on Friday and wanted to make sure I could watch game 1. The league built in extra travel days between games 2/3, 4/5, 5/6 and 6/7, so a potential game 7 won't be until June 19.
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The Bruins made damn sure I had no conflicts for my Helloween show.
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The Bruins made damn sure I had no conflicts for my Helloween show.
Did you send them a thank you card? :P
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The Bruins made damn sure I had no conflicts for my Helloween show.
Did you send them a thank you card? :P
I asked Bruce Cassidy to deliver it!
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The Bruins made damn sure I had no conflicts for my Helloween show.
Did you send them a thank you card? :P
I asked Bruce Cassidy to deliver it!
It's Butch Cassidy, isn't it? :) :) :)
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Carolina probably deserved a better fate than being swept, but deserve's got nothing to do with it. There is no stopping the Panthers.
Where is the option to delete a post? :P
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The time off off obviously killed Bobs’ mojo.
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Yep. The way they were playing was tied to being on the heater of all heaters. They were just rolling.
....Florida waiting until 6/3 to play again only benefits the Knights. I don't see how Florida sitting around and not continuing to ride that momentum while it's fresh helps them at all.
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The time off off obviously killed Bobs’ mojo.
Yeah, he’s not the same in this series.
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Neither is the rest of the team, though. They've walked the line between being aggressive bullies and being a sloppy, penalty-ridden team for most of the playoffs so far, and in this series, they've crossed the line. Vegas is chewing up and spitting out the Panthers' penalty kill. Gudas is not himself (even before the big hit to the head) and that hasn't helped either. Finally, Tkachuk has seemingly come back to earth as well.
Not calling this yet, though. Panthers have a whole lot of "do not quit" in them. The wild card is, it's sometimes hard to "refind" your mojo, and Vegas is playing good, fundamental hockey. I hate them, but man is that fun to watch.
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Tkachuck getting a misconduct was ridiculous. That was a good clean hit, shoulder to shoulder on the guy with possession of the puck. Not like that affected the outcome, but what a bogus call.
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Tkachuk getting a misconduct was ridiculous. That was a good clean hit, shoulder to shoulder on the guy with possession of the puck.
He didn't get a misconduct for the hit, I assume it was for grabbing Pietrangelo from behind as a third party in the following scrum. I don't even think the hit was technically clean per the rulebook, but charges just don't get called the same in the playoffs like they do in the regular season.
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Tkachuck getting a misconduct was ridiculous. That was a good clean hit, shoulder to shoulder on the guy with possession of the puck. Not like that affected the outcome, but what a bogus call.
Yep. Clean and appropriate. Can’t skate through the middle of the ice with your head down and not expect to get hit. Eichel’s a little bitch anyway. I’m good with Vegas winning the cup….but it sucks he’s gonna get it. Total D Bag pre-Madonna
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At this point I'm just hoping Florida wins 1 game. I'll be at a show Saturday night during game 4.
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Been reading around that there's a big trade coming that includes Flyers, Blue Jackets, and Kings.
Flyers are looking to trade Provorov to Columbus. Blue Jackets are looking to give up the 1st round that they got from the Kings and a 2nd, the Kings are looking to give up a 2nd round pick, prospect Helge Grans, retain 30% of Provorov, and trade Petersen and Walker to Philly as well.
The fact that they got to trade a prospect, a 2nd, retain salary to move away from Petersen and Walker, which hasn't been optimal contracts as of late, in order to clear space to sign guys like Vilardi and Gavrikov makes me a bit anxious.
All right, I think now it is official. At least, the Kings got some stuff back rather than trade a lot of stuff to gain space. Not impactful stuff, but depth to play around.
https://twitter.com/LAKings/status/1666165771184078851?t=TW15WMu4q1z29-hbEdla4w&s=19
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So...the Kings get out from under the Petersen and Walker contracts (collectively $7.65M for 2023-24 and $5M for 2024-25) and receive a couple of nobodys and have to shoulder 30% of the cap hit of a guy scheduled to earn $6.75M in 2023-24 and 2024-25 (so a smidge over $2M per year) - a net gain of $4.15M and $3M in cap space for the next two seasons (including the combined $1.5M in salary for Hodgson and Connauton in 2023-24)?
Sounds good to me! Too bad the Kings will still be taking cap hits for Mike Richards for the next SIX seasons!
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The Bri-era (TM) is off to a great start in Philly with that trade. Got more than expected for a defenseman who hasn't done much for three seasons, and did so by taking on bad contracts for two years thus fully acknowledging Philly's position as rebuilding. AND he made the Kings retain salary meaning the Flyers can still retain on up to three contracts (which will be two once Hayes is traded) giving them more flexibility with that going forward.
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All right, officially official. Vladislav Gavrikov has re-sign with the Kings for $5.875M AAV for two years.
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1666499022889050116
Gives the Kings only $7.3M to re-sign Vilardi, a goalie, maybe one more depth RFA forward, and bring up one of Jordan Spence and Brandt Clarke. Should be doable, but I don't think they got much deadline space if they want to add.
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Don't most leagues hold back news like this during the Finals? There's no moratorium?
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Don't most leagues hold back news like this during the Finals? There's no moratorium?
What? I mean they could theoretically negotiate with the NHLPA that trades/signings are on pause for the finals, but there is no way to just ban *everyone* from reporting a thing that has happened.
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Wish granted
Darren Pang leaving the Blues broadcast team for Chicago. :metal
He’s a great color guy and all around good guy but 10 years of his schtick gets old. Looking forward to a fresh start and not hearing Holy Jumpin 19 times a game
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Wish granted
Darren Pang leaving the Blues broadcast team for Chicago. :metal
He’s a great color guy and all around good guy but 10 years of his schtick gets old. Looking forward to a fresh start and not hearing Holy Jumpin 19 times a game
On a similar note, Alex Faust was cut loose as the Kings PBP guy - apparently something to do with whatever is going on with Bally's. Seems like they'll be doing a simulcast with Nick Nickson handling PBP and both Jim Fox and Daryl Evans doing commentary.
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Don't most leagues hold back news like this during the Finals? There's no moratorium?
What? I mean they could theoretically negotiate with the NHLPA that trades/signings are on pause for the finals, but there is no way to just ban *everyone* from reporting a thing that has happened.
I just thought the Finals was a no news or no announcement period.
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Wish granted
Darren Pang leaving the Blues broadcast team for Chicago. :metal
He’s a great color guy and all around good guy but 10 years of his schtick gets old. Looking forward to a fresh start and not hearing Holy Jumpin 19 times a game
Is this your way of asking everyone here who has your number to not text you "HOLY JUMPIN'!" every time the Blues score a goal going forward? :P :P
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Wish granted
Darren Pang leaving the Blues broadcast team for Chicago. :metal
He’s a great color guy and all around good guy but 10 years of his schtick gets old. Looking forward to a fresh start and not hearing Holy Jumpin 19 times a game
Is this your way of asking everyone here who has your number to not text you "HOLY JUMPIN'!" every time the Blues score a goal going forward? :P :P
Yes. Please no. Let’s not forget “like you read about”……that was uttered a million times as well. And poor Binnington…..he lost his world #1 fan. According to Pang Binnington hasn’t let up a goal that was his fault since…..well…..ever.
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Wish granted
Darren Pang leaving the Blues broadcast team for Chicago. :metal
He’s a great color guy and all around good guy but 10 years of his schtick gets old. Looking forward to a fresh start and not hearing Holy Jumpin 19 times a game
Is this your way of asking everyone here who has your number to not text you "HOLY JUMPIN'!" every time the Blues score a goal going forward? :P :P
Yes. Please no. Let’s not forget “like you read about”……that was uttered a million times as well. And poor Binnington…..he lost his world #1 fan. According to Pang Binnington hasn’t let up a goal that was his fault since…..well…..ever.
Haha, I kid. I would never do it, I swear.
As an ex-goalie, I don't hold it against Panger for wanting to show support for the goalies. Binnington will be out of the league in a few years anyway (I give it three years), so it won't matter for long.
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I would take Panger in a trade for Jack Edwards.
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I would take Panger in a trade for Jack Edwards.
We have a good one waiting in the wings. Retired defenseman Jamie Rivers has filled in for Pang a lot and has done well. Pretty sure they were grooming him for the spot.
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Wish granted
Darren Pang leaving the Blues broadcast team for Chicago. :metal
He’s a great color guy and all around good guy but 10 years of his schtick gets old. Looking forward to a fresh start and not hearing Holy Jumpin 19 times a game
Is this your way of asking everyone here who has your number to not text you "HOLY JUMPIN'!" every time the Blues score a goal going forward? :P :P
Challenge accepted!
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Wish granted
Darren Pang leaving the Blues broadcast team for Chicago. :metal
He’s a great color guy and all around good guy but 10 years of his schtick gets old. Looking forward to a fresh start and not hearing Holy Jumpin 19 times a game
Is this your way of asking everyone here who has your number to not text you "HOLY JUMPIN'!" every time the Blues score a goal going forward? :P :P
Challenge accepted!
I didn't wait. :)
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What a garbage call at the end of regulation. A Golden Knight trips over his own skate and they call a penalty on Florida, which will give Vegas nearly two minutes of a PP on fresh ice to start overtime. This reminds me of my brother always says: great sport, garbage league.
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Nice work Florida. Way to make it a series.
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Glad to see that stupid call wasn't the difference.
And now we got a series again.
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My son was ecstatic - no because he likes the Knights, but because he's going to Vegas next Thursday through the following Monday, and VGK in 5 would mean a decent chance of a parade while he's there. :lol
Glad to see the Panthers pull it out. Series doesn't start until a home team loses, so.... I'm quite amused how one penalty call translates to "garbage league." I didn't see it, but even if it was a bad call, that's crazy hyperbole.
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Well, I didn't say that one penalty call translated to a garbage league. The garbage league is meant more on a macro level. See: the "fix" that got the Hawks the number 1 pick. :P :P
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Well, I didn't say that one penalty call translated to a garbage league. The garbage league is meant more on a macro level. See: the "fix" that got the Hawks the number 1 pick. :P :P
I hate to defend the NHL, which has plenty of issues and things I don't agree with, but would you care to provide some actual other reasons the league is garbage?
No league is perfect, but generally it's miles ahead of at least MLB at least.
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I saw a replay, and at first, I can understand how it could be seen as a BS call. Upon seeing the replay, it's clear the Panthers player (I think it was Forsling) slightly clipped toes with the Vegas player, which in turn negated a potential 2-on-1 inside the blue line. It was completely accidental; the call could've gone either way, and either could be seen as the 'right' call (depending on which team you're a fan of ;))
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Well, I didn't say that one penalty call translated to a garbage league. The garbage league is meant more on a macro level. See: the "fix" that got the Hawks the number 1 pick. :P :P
I hate to defend the NHL, which has plenty of issues and things I don't agree with, but would you care to provide some actual other reasons the league is garbage?
No league is perfect, but generally it's miles ahead of at least MLB at least.
For the record, I did say that my brother said it is a garbage league, and that call reminded me of why he says that, but I will unpack this more a bit later after the (slow) work day is finished.
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I'm a fan of the NHL. I don't think it's a garbage league, and I didn't see anything to suggest there's a "fix" or anything like that. Not the HUGEST Bettman fan, but there's worse.
Having said that, I AM disappointed with the refereeing in general that I've seen over the past season or two. I get that it's a fast game, and a violent sport, but there seems to be a lot of subjectivity in the calling, a subjectivity that other leagues, like the NFL for better or worse, have tried to minimize.
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I'm a fan of the NHL. I don't think it's a garbage league, and I didn't see anything to suggest there's a "fix" or anything like that. Not the HUGEST Bettman fan, but there's worse.
Having said that, I AM disappointed with the refereeing in general that I've seen over the past season or two. I get that it's a fast game, and a violent sport, but there seems to be a lot of subjectivity in the calling, a subjectivity that other leagues, like the NFL for better or worse, have tried to minimize.
Don't tell my friend that. Everything she doesn't like: "I blame Bettman." Of course, she still harbors a grudge against the Canadiens for supposedly "cheating" to discover that Marty McSorley was playing with an obviously illegal stick, which resulted in a penalty in game 2 of the 1993 SCF. This led to the Habs tying the game in the final minutes of regulation and winning in OT (and then winning the next three games of the series). She legitimately regards this as a curse that infects all of Canada, and that's why no Canadian team has won the Cup since 1993. Seriously. She actually believes this.
In any event, there's tons of subjectivity in both hockey and football. The old adage is that there's holding/pass interference/illegal contact on every play in football, so it's just a question of how much is too much. Same is true with holding and interference in hockey. In "the old days," the refs just swallowed the whistles, but not so much anymore. Frankly, the officiating that frustrates me more than anything else is umpires in baseball calling balls and strikes. When Eric Gregg was calling pitches in the opposite batter's box as strikes, we were outraged, but we didn't have the strike zone superimposed on the screen like we do now...on every pitch.
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I'm a fan of the NHL. I don't think it's a garbage league, and I didn't see anything to suggest there's a "fix" or anything like that. Not the HUGEST Bettman fan, but there's worse.
Having said that, I AM disappointed with the refereeing in general that I've seen over the past season or two. I get that it's a fast game, and a violent sport, but there seems to be a lot of subjectivity in the calling, a subjectivity that other leagues, like the NFL for better or worse, have tried to minimize.
Don't tell my friend that. Everything she doesn't like: "I blame Bettman." Of course, she still harbors a grudge against the Canadiens for supposedly "cheating" to discover that Marty McSorley was playing with an obviously illegal stick, which resulted in a penalty in game 2 of the 1993 SCF. This led to the Habs tying the game in the final minutes of regulation and winning in OT (and then winning the next three games of the series). She legitimately regards this as a curse that infects all of Canada, and that's why no Canadian team has won the Cup since 1993. Seriously. She actually believes this.
In any event, there's tons of subjectivity in both hockey and football. The old adage is that there's holding/pass interference/illegal contact on every play in football, so it's just a question of how much is too much. Same is true with holding and interference in hockey. In "the old days," the refs just swallowed the whistles, but not so much anymore. Frankly, the officiating that frustrates me more than anything else is umpires in baseball calling balls and strikes. When Eric Gregg was calling pitches in the opposite batter's box as strikes, we were outraged, but we didn't have the strike zone superimposed on the screen like we do now...on every pitch.
I don't mind the calls you are talking about. Moving the line closer to "more penalties". THat's just calibration. I just notice almost a penalty a game where on replay, it's not really that close. Trips where plays move past each other and lose an edge. That kind of thing. Then you have Hill holding Tkachuk in the net for 10 seconds and... pffft.
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Well, here we are. One win away from a Vegas Stanley Cup win. Panthers have been in this 3-1 spot before this post-season. I don't think the Golden Knights are going to show as much leaks that the Panthers can take advantage of as much like they did in the Bruins series. That's what I'm hoping for though.
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Bobs lost a bit of his mojo, and Tkachuk is injured. No way they’re coming back. They were getting the good fortune of close games going their way the last 2 series. Not here. They were quite fortunate to win game 3.
I predict Vegas hoists Lord Stanley’s mug on Tuesday.
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Bobs lost a bit of his mojo, and Tkachuk is injured. No way they’re coming back. They were getting the good fortune of close games going their way the last 2 series. Not here. They were quite fortunate to win game 3.
I predict Vegas hoists Lord Stanley’s mug on Tuesday.
Agreed. The ‘rest’ between series killed their momentum and also……Vegas is really good. Lots of veteran players on that team that just are smart and know how to win. I don’t see them losing focus and blowing a 3-1 lead, I guess it ‘could’ happen but it’s highly doubtful when looking at how this series has played out. If not for a bit of luck and heroics in game 3 this series is over already. I’m with you in thinking Vegas finishes it off next game.
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I don't WANT to like the Vegas Knights, but my goodness, they are playing almost perfect hockey right now. That's the essence of playoff hockey. I'm not sure I agree with the "time off" scenario; that sort of takes credit from where credit is due. Hill is playing as inspired as Bobs was, so the goaltending is a wash. I think the injuries and what not are a result of Vegas just having an answer for everything. Maurice has done a great job of motivating his players, and keeping them up when they needed to be, but he just doesn't have the talent/tools that Cassidy does, and it's showing. The Stanley Cup playoffs are a war of attrition, and this is evidence of that.
I think that hit on Gudas in game three was indicative of that; Gudas plays an aggressive, mugging style, and he went in the for the hit and got laid out himself. That hasn't happened yet in this entire playoffs and yet... and Gudas hasn't been the same since.
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I don't disagree with any of that.
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Well, the Senators' owners saga has finally been decided. Michael Andlauer (minority owner of the Habs and owner of an OHL team) has made a official deal to buy the Sens. Reading around that the total he will pay is $950M. The estate of Eugene Melynk will retain 10% ownership. Gl to them, they got some promising pieces. Now with stable ownership in the wings, hopefully, they can make something of that.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/michael-andlauer-reaches-deal-to-buy-ottawa-senators/
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Word is DeBrincat wanted out of Ottawa due to ownership situation. Word is also Detroit (his hometown team) was on list of preferred teams he'd sign an extension with. Happy for Sens, but hope this doesn't prohibit a hopeful trade to the Red Wings.
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Well……I’m not seeing a come back for Florida here. Vegas May score 4 more.
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The Vegas shifts on the 3rd and 4th goals were unbelievable.
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The Vegas shifts on the 3rd and 4th goals were unbelievable.
Yeah. Just hounding the puck and was a never ending wave of pressure. Did it give you flashbacks to 2019? :lol
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The Vegas shifts on the 3rd and 4th goals were unbelievable.
Yeah. Just hounding the puck and was a never ending wave of pressure. Did it give you flashbacks to 2019? :lol
Not really, no.
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The Vegas shifts on the 3rd and 4th goals were unbelievable.
Yeah. Just hounding the puck and was a never ending wave of pressure. Did it give you flashbacks to 2019? :lol
Not really, no.
You must have blocked it from memory. Trauma does that
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That 2nd period was nothing but relentless pressure for the Golden Knights. They have matched the score on the 2012 finals clinching game, 6-1. Let's see if they can expand on it or if Panthers can muster a miracle.
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Well, this was something. 6 years from inception to cup. Made a lot of bold and aggressive moves. Maybe a bit too much. Had to change coaches twice. A lot of roster turnaround. Took chances in bringing in an expensive $10M a year player that had to go through neck surgery. Their captain had back issues. Brought in a great coach and I knew when they brought in Bruce Cassidy, they were going to do great. A huge step up over Peter DeBoer.
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Congrats to the VGK. That was one hard-hitting game!
Question - back in the day "I think" they used to freeze the puck to make it travel down the ice easier. Did they ever do that and do they still do it?
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I said to my stepson, this is either Florida winning 2-1 in like four overtimes, or Vegas blows them out. I think I said "like 7-0". I was one off the goal differential.
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Damn, that was the worst performance in an elimination game that I've seen since the 2002 Western Conference Finals. Bob couldn't stop a beach ball last night. How do you come out that flat when your season is on the line?
Congrats to Vegas though. They played well throughout the playoffs and were undeniable in the Cup Finals. I chuckled at the thought that Eichel got a Cup before McDavid!
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Question - back in the day "I think" they used to freeze the puck to make it travel down the ice easier. Did they ever do that and do they still do it?
They still do that. The game pucks are froze and kept in a cooler in the penalty box.
I freeze the game pucks for my sons team that I coach. Home team has to supply three pucks.....I keep a batch of 'game pucks' separate from my practice pucks and keep them froze and ready for the games. They do travel better on the ice.
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How do you come out that flat when your season is on the line?
Their heart and soul.....the player that 'is' their team personality and identification.....who leads by example and plays his balls off.....wasn't there. Say what you will about Tkachuck but he's a gamer and he brought a moxi to that team that sparked them to where they were. They weren't winning anything much less an elimination game on the road without him in the line up.
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The tank was empty. They were (over) performing like a high end automobile since Game 4 of the Bruins series, and they got dinged up a little, and just ran out of fuel. You can only rev an engine that high for so long, and they just came crashing down. The 10-day layoff really hurt their chances; the injuries were just the nails in the coffin.
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The tank was empty. They were (over) performing like a high end automobile since Game 4 of the Bruins series, and they got dinged up a little, and just ran out of fuel. You can only rev an engine that high for so long, and they just came crashing down. The 10-day layoff really hurt their chances; the injuries were just the nails in the coffin.
Tru Dat. Then add in that Vegas is a really structurally sound team......Florida was in trouble no matter what.
I'm happy for Petro (and Barbachev) that they got another cup Win. Barby is a meat and potatoes player who is just a competitor, glad for him. And Petro is a really good dude.....solid D man and that has to feel good and like a bit of vindication and maybe a bit of FU to Doug Armstrong also.
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This Vegas cup win brought a lot of FU to many teams. Blues, Kings, Bruins, Sabres, Oilers, Panthers, etc. Honestly, I'm not too thrilled about them winning it, but I'm for it.
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Question - back in the day "I think" they used to freeze the puck to make it travel down the ice easier. Did they ever do that and do they still do it?
They still do that. The game pucks are froze and kept in a cooler in the penalty box.
I freeze the game pucks for my sons team that I coach. Home team has to supply three pucks.....I keep a batch of 'game pucks' separate from my practice pucks and keep them froze and ready for the games. They do travel better on the ice.
Got it. Thanks :tup
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The tank was empty. They were (over) performing like a high end automobile since Game 4 of the Bruins series, and they got dinged up a little, and just ran out of fuel. You can only rev an engine that high for so long, and they just came crashing down. The 10-day layoff really hurt their chances; the injuries were just the nails in the coffin.
I don't want to argue with you, because neither side is provable. But I'm in the camp that says that no matter what the layover was - 0 days, 1 day, 5 days, 10 days - the outcome was the same. That's not why they cooled off. They cooled off because their bodies and brains couldn't sustain the onslaught of Vegas. I am NOT a fan of Vegas, and I patently DO NOT like Bruce Cassidy, but that was a primer on how to play a five game series. They played virtually perfect hockey.
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Question - back in the day "I think" they used to freeze the puck to make it travel down the ice easier. Did they ever do that and do they still do it?
Yes and yes.
Bob couldn't stop a beach ball last night.
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The fact that the first suggested search that comes up when you type "dan clout..." is "dan cloutier beach ball" is pretty telling.
That was an all-around embarrassing performance by Florida. Shades of game 6 in 1991 (I'd compare it to game 6 in 2012, but that game had 5-minute major). I agree that, while the long layoff didn't help, it also wasn't the primary reason for the loss. I stuck around to see the Cup ceremony. I think it sucks that guys don't really take it for a spin anymore. Maybe that's just because of all the extra crap on the ice these days. I thought it was WEIRD that Alec Martinez handed the Cup to Jonathan Quick BEFORE Aidan Hill got it.
My kid is happy because he's going to Vegas tomorrow, so he'll get to see the parade (apparently, it'll be Saturday evening).
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This Vegas cup win brought a lot of FU to many teams. Blues, Kings, Bruins, Sabres, Oilers, Panthers, etc. Honestly, I'm not too thrilled about them winning it, but I'm for it.
I don't see how this is a FU to the Blues in any way, shape or form. Petro and Barbachev helped the Blues get their first Cup, and Armstrong was the architect. Players move on to other teams. It happens.
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This Vegas cup win brought a lot of FU to many teams. Blues, Kings, Bruins, Sabres, Oilers, Panthers, etc. Honestly, I'm not too thrilled about them winning it, but I'm for it.
I don't see how this is a FU to the Blues in any way, shape or form. Petro and Barbachev helped the Blues get their first Cup, and Armstrong was the architect. Players move on to other teams. It happens.
Yeah...same. It was a little bittersweet seeing Marty and Quick hoist the Cup for another team, but Marty's been gone a while, and the Quick trade kinda had to happen. It's only an "FU" in the same sense as if any other Pacific Division team had won.
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I guess what else makes me a bit mad at the Kings, in addition to trading Quick (which I get it, since the team wasn't winning games when he's starting whether he was the issue or their defense structure was the issue, didn't matter. They weren't winning games with him and something needed to give and he drew the short straw in going.)
I mean people had Michael Amadio as a whipping boy for the Kings for their shortcomings during the rougher recent years. I was guilty of that as well. They traded him to the Sens, Sens didn't re-sign him, he went to the Leafs. Leafs waived him and got claimed by Vegas and eventually he turned into a decent bottom six player for the Golden Knights and did decently well in the playoffs.
In the end, I'm not mad at the Golden Knights. I will say they earned this cup. Everyone can complain about them because of x,y,z reasons, but they were better than all of the other teams they went against or could have gone against. I'm just mad at the Kings for not doing more with the players they traded that eventually went to Vegas or not having a bigger impact or did more with the assets they got when they had to make those trades.
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So the Canucks have bought out Oliver Ekman-Larsson with four years left on his contract that had around $7M of a cap hit for the Canucks. $1M for the Coyotes that they retained. This is going to be a long-buyout. I get it. The Canucks needed space as they started the offseason over the cap and they are going to free up space in year 1 and 2. Still you look at this and when they get year 3 and 4, it's not going to be pretty. One would just hope they do something impactful with this space while they still got Elias Pettersson and Quinn Hughes in the books.
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Maybe the Canucks are wishing and hoping the cap will go up $20M before 2025. Almost $5m in dead cap space is basically a crowbar to the knees for a team looking to be competitive.
I didn't follow the Canucks much last season since they were a Pacific bottom feeder most of the season. Anyone know what happened with Ekman-Larsson? He used to be considered a fairly elite d-man at both ends of the ice.
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Maybe the Canucks are wishing and hoping the cap will go up $20M before 2025. Almost $5m in dead cap space is basically a crowbar to the knees for a team looking to be competitive.
Tell that to the Wild. And by 2026, the cap might be up near $90M. They'd still be in the black by over $2M by freeing up that contract.
There's talk of buying out Matt Murray in Toronto. It'd only be a $600k cap hit this year, $2M next year, and $2.6M the following year. Might be worth it to free up $4M this year, considering he's only got 1 year left on his contract, and I see no circumstance wherein they'd want to re-sign him.
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Welcome to the Hockey Hall of Fame:
- Tom Barrasso
- Pierre Turgeon
- Caroline Oullette
- Mike Vernon
- Henrik Lundqvist
- Ken Hitchcock
- Pierre Lacroix
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/henrik-lundqvist-mike-vernon-tom-barrasso-among-seven-named-to-2023-hockey-hall-of-fame-class-1.1975881
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Don't they also put in a token European? Surely that's not Lundquist.
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Wow... 3 goalies. If you'd have asked me earlier, I would've guessed that Vernon and Barrasso were already in.
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Wow... 3 goalies. If you'd have asked me earlier, I would've guessed that Vernon and Barrasso were already in.
Really? I wouldn't have thought Vernon was HoF worthy. Maybe i need to revisit his stats.
Don't they also put in a token European? Surely that's not Lundquist.
They had a legit European player in Lundqvist, so there was no need for a token addition.
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They had a legit European player in Lundqvist, so there was no need for a token addition.
Yeah, maybe that's it, but it's usually a non NHLer.
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Wow... 3 goalies. If you'd have asked me earlier, I would've guessed that Vernon and Barrasso were already in.
Really? I wouldn't have thought Vernon was HoF worthy. Maybe i need to revisit his stats.
These photos were from the NHL's Facebook post:
(https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/355635289_655628029946284_8446438114299619455_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&cb=99be929b-3346023f&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=wbITfv74Y-8AX9XmylU&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=00_AfA2Qk5WEZjMsIW9x5fWLCwlq28IlBYy_Z1on1AEbqV2sQ&oe=64984317) (https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/355473098_655627979946289_3057150204521714839_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&cb=99be929b-3346023f&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=ax4ryWUA7A4AX-fQ1uL&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=00_AfB8c1J3j5vrGT5vgP2n-AryAEj0rJ49TaynfvZ1FVI9Vw&oe=64988EA4)
My immediate reaction was, "well...Jonathan Quick is a shoe-in."
Wins: Vernon - 16; Barrasso - T20 (of the eligible goalies in the top 20, only CuJo, Osgood, Vanbiesbrouck and Moog are not in the HHOF)
GAA: Vernon - 130; Barrasso - 150 (lots of guys with better GAA not in the HHOF)
S%: Barrasso (.8920) - 130; Vernon (.8895) - 135 (same as with GAA)
Adjusted GAA: Vernon - 67; Barrasso - 89 (adjusted GAA is GAA with an era normalization adjustment)
Seems to be both of these guys are longevity picks. How you put a guy like Barrasso in but not a guy like CuJo.... Obviously, it's nothing more than Barrasso having the good fortune to play with Lemieux and Jagr (and Kevin Stevens and Rick Tocchet and Larry Murphy, etc.).
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The other photos from the NHL Facebook post:
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/355663509_655627996612954_4150386510901285184_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&cb=99be929b-3346023f&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=w5-vcT4nwC0AX-h11Z1&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=00_AfDM8bPZYAdobqqmRmEh-teNJ9i3DT8qk7f4Ss9lQjXlYg&oe=6497E27B) (https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/355662885_655628136612940_6993721363392890740_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&cb=99be929b-3346023f&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=TQ9RJSnYDHUAX-eodq3&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=00_AfAjX49G0unbuFPhNx6B-FESs7l43uWycxZP7mRfD-CSAQ&oe=6497951F)
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/355486039_655627999946287_8596960295980600267_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&cb=99be929b-3346023f&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=RUi1Yx5VomsAX-lHXi1&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=00_AfDt_8SkLO8fu4r_GjHwDoUVs2-o9b632wFTO99-c_RCtA&oe=6498919B) (https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/355664151_655628089946278_2722405115026384132_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&cb=99be929b-3346023f&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=XfHgI8S0kdwAX9SmF9C&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=00_AfCm3Ihq7XvAMVZYv5zsn3Mpbcywb2ODiyyGlX_3Qb1sZA&oe=64983CA0)
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/355470320_655628126612941_7414164748637857040_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&cb=99be929b-3346023f&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=6o9MJh6b4X8AX9MRU_5&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=00_AfCQoDkxcZgbvYbJMRnYjzYM5jLz5jJyXROYXTcaW3fkDw&oe=6498D121)
By the way, every eligible player with more points than Turgeon (34th all time) is in. The guy with the next most points who's eligible and not in is Jeremy Roenik at #47 with 1,216 points.
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Cujo didn't win any cups though, so that probably helped Barrasso and Vernon. Given enough time, everyone gets in....apparently.
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Cujo didn't win any cups though, so that probably helped Barrasso and Vernon. Given enough time, everyone gets in....apparently.
CuJo won't. No cups and no individual trophies. He'll end up infamously as the best goalie in NHL history NOT in the HOF.
Gotta remember the era that both Vernon and Barasso played in was not the era of sub 2.50 GAA and .910+ save percentage being the standard of excellence (except if your name is Hasek). The fact that CuJo has only 5 less wins than King Henry, while having a higher GAA (2.79 vs 2.43) and lower SV (.906 vs .918) validates this.
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Wow... 3 goalies. If you'd have asked me earlier, I would've guessed that Vernon and Barrasso were already in.
That glove save in the playoffs by Vernon while he was with Calgary was one of the best saves I've ever seen.
His fight with Roy while he was with Detroit was one of the best goalie fights I've ever seen.
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Wow... 3 goalies. If you'd have asked me earlier, I would've guessed that Vernon and Barrasso were already in.
That glove save in the playoffs by Vernon while he was with Calgary was one of the best saves I've ever seen.
His fight with Roy while he was with Detroit was one of the best goalie fights I've ever seen.
This save - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE4qNO1A7cI ??
And yeah, that was a great fight, but Potvin/Hextall was better.
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FWIW, Tom Barrasso is third all time among goalies for penalty minutes, and I'll bet everyone who follows this thread will almost instantly know who the top two are.
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FWIW, Tom Barrasso is third all time among goalies for penalty minutes, and I'll bet everyone who follows this thread will almost instantly know who the top two are.
Gotta be Hex and Billy.
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Nope. Darren Pang and Stephane Fiset.
Nah...you're right. :biggrin:
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HOLY JUMPIN!!
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I'm still looking for the Darren Pang goalie fight video.
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Big Blues/Flyers trade pending at least one player waiving their trade protection.
Involves at least Hayes.
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Big Blues/Flyers trade pending at least one player waiving their trade protection.
Involves at least Hayes.
Oooooo……exciting! Wonder who it could be?
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Apparently, the Blues and Flyers trade has stalled. It seems like Krug was the guy that needed to be persuaded to waive his NTC and it's a no-go on that end so far.
On the Kings end, they have traded Sean Durzi to the Coyotes for Montreal's 2024 2nd round pick. Solid offense-driving young defenseman. Found himself in rough spots defensively that have led to goals against. The Coyotes could use a young defensemen like Durzi to drive the offense in the blue line though. As for the Kings, they got cap space ($9M as of right now, with 16/23 roster spots locked) and opened spots for guys like Jordan Spence and Brandt Clarke to step in and fill that void, hopefully more comfortably in the defensive metrics.
There are also some reports that's gaining traction of a big trade for the Kings to trade for and sign Winnipeg Jets center, Pierre-Luc Dubois. The cost will apparently involve Gabe Vilardi and Alex Iafallo and other stuff. I'm not too huge on this development. Vilardi, after 6 years since they drafted him, finally looks like a very solid every day player (although injuries reared part of that good season he had) and Iafallo is a very solid defensive forward with good enough streaks of offense in him. Also, it doesn't help that it looks like PLD has dogged near the end of the 1st two teams he was a part of in his NHL career. Great upside and has good production thus far, but in my opinion, I don't like those kinds of players that just dogs it because they don't want to be in those teams (I know Winnipeg and Columbus aren't attractive cities to play in, but still. You kill your own perception and worth when it looks like you aren't trying as much for these teams.)
Then again, I think back at the Mike Richards and the Jeff Carter trades the Kings pulled in 2011-12 and they had their own reputations at the time that people didn't like in Philly and Columbus and I look back at the pieces the Kings gave up. Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds, Jack Johnson, etc, and this was also after the Kings making it to the playoffs two years in a row and not making it out of the first round. Could be Rob Blake's version of pulling these kinds of move to try to shake the roster up after losing twice to the Oilers in the 1st round and he's thinking, "We can't run the roster again with the same group of forwards. A shift needs to happen." I just wish he gets the goalie situation sorted out before any ideas of going big game forward hunting.
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Wow... 3 goalies. If you'd have asked me earlier, I would've guessed that Vernon and Barrasso were already in.
That glove save in the playoffs by Vernon while he was with Calgary was one of the best saves I've ever seen.
His fight with Roy while he was with Detroit was one of the best goalie fights I've ever seen.
This save - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE4qNO1A7cI ??
And yeah, that was a great fight, but Potvin/Hextall was better.
THat's the one!!!!!
FWIW, Tom Barrasso is third all time among goalies for penalty minutes, and I'll bet everyone who follows this thread will almost instantly know who the top two are.
I went to college with a guy that played backup to Barasso at Acton Boxboro in high school.
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If Armstrong can move Krug he won’t have to do anything else this off-season for me to consider it a win.
Krug has removed all indicators of him being a St. Louis Blue from his social media……and reports late last night was that there was some movement in him budging on his NTC. Rumor is it has to deal with Florida being a third team that Philly would then flip him to.
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If Armstrong can move Krug he won’t have to do anything else this off-season for me to consider it a win.
Krug has removed all indicators of him being a St. Louis Blue from his social media……and reports late last night was that there was some movement in him budging on his NTC. Rumor is it has to deal with Florida being a third team that Philly would then flip him to.
Doubtful he gets flipped. I don't know much about Krug, but my sense is that for him to be flipped either salary has to be retained or assets given up. Flyers are in asset stocking mode, not the opposite, and they are using 1 retain on Hayes in this deal, and another on DeAngelo in a deal being worked on with Carolina. That leaves them only 1 retain left, and I doubt they tie that up with Krug.
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If Armstrong can move Krug he won’t have to do anything else this off-season for me to consider it a win.
Krug has removed all indicators of him being a St. Louis Blue from his social media……and reports late last night was that there was some movement in him budging on his NTC. Rumor is it has to deal with Florida being a third team that Philly would then flip him to.
Doubtful he gets flipped. I don't know much about Krug, but my sense is that for him to be flipped either salary has to be retained or assets given up. Flyers are in asset stocking mode, not the opposite, and they are using 1 retain on Hayes in this deal, and another on DeAngelo in a deal being worked on with Carolina. That leaves them only 1 retain left, and I doubt they tie that up with Krug.
I mean, who doesn’t want an undersized forward that plays poor defense, can’t move anyone from in front of the net…..occasionally helps on the PP and will probably miss 40 games to some sort of random injury?
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Blues did great here. Hayes isn't spectacular or anything, but they are getting a very good player at half cap hit for essentially nothing. He's obviously on the declining half of his career, but I don't think you'll sign a UFA for the same money and get someone as good right now.
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Blues did great here. Hayes isn't spectacular or anything, but they are getting a very good player at half cap hit for essentially nothing. He's obviously on the declining half of his career, but I don't think you'll sign a UFA for the same money and get someone as good right now.
Yep....I'll take it. This will free up the Buchnevich experiment at center and put him back on the wing where he is more comfortable.
I'm still holding my breath that Armstrong finds a way to dump....I mean....trade Krug. If all else fails I'd invest in the worlds greatest hypnotist and convince him to tell the Blues that he's suffering from a career ending injury and can no longer play. Anything to keep him out of the lineup.
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Officially official. Pierre-Luc Dubois is now part of the Kings and signed a max 8 year deal at $8.5M AAV. The pieces going is Alex Iafallo, Gabe Vilardi, Rasmus Kupari, and a 2024 2nd round pick.
This deal sucks and I will blame Marc Bergevin for it.
https://twitter.com/LAKings/status/1673795790001799168
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So...the Kings are giving up a combined 44.4 goals and 55.8 assists per 82 games for a single guy whose 82 game averages are 24.4 goals and 32.7 assists? In other words, they're losing 20 goals and 20 assists per 82 games (and a draft pick)? For a guy who's never sniffed an ASG? AND they're going to pay him more than any player on the roster not named Kopitar or Doughty (and more than guys like Leon Draisaitl are making)?!
What the actual fuck?!
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So...the Kings are giving up a combined 44.4 goals and 55.8 assists per 82 games for a single guy whose 82 game averages are 24.4 goals and 32.7 assists? In other words, they're losing 20 goals and 20 assists per 82 games (and a draft pick)? For a guy who's never sniffed an ASG? AND they're going to pay him more than any player on the roster not named Kopitar or Doughty (and more than guys like Leon Draisaitl are making)?!
What the actual fuck?!
And isn't he a not great room guy?
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Beats me. I know nothing about him.
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Beats me. I know nothing about him.
Well, he left both of his teams on not-favorable terms (according to the sports media). He was clear with the Jets org'n that he was not going to re-sign. And I seem to recall him being a big problem and refusing to put forth an effort when Torts was coaching CBJ.
I thing Chevy got a good return for him. That's a pretty rich contract LA gave him given his performance. And it pisses me off because Nylander's agents will use that kind of contract as a comparable to get Willie north of $9M.
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Beats me. I know nothing about him.
Well, he left both of his teams on not-favorable terms (according to the sports media). He was clear with the Jets org'n that he was not going to re-sign. And I seem to recall him being a big problem and refusing to put forth an effort when Torts was coaching CBJ.
I thing Chevy got a good return for him. That's a pretty rich contract LA gave him given his performance. And it pisses me off because Nylander's agents will use that kind of contract as a comparable to get Willie north of $9M.
Wasn't Nylander a hold out for the last contract?
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Beats me. I know nothing about him.
Well, he left both of his teams on not-favorable terms (according to the sports media). He was clear with the Jets org'n that he was not going to re-sign. And I seem to recall him being a big problem and refusing to put forth an effort when Torts was coaching CBJ.
I thing Chevy got a good return for him. That's a pretty rich contract LA gave him given his performance. And it pisses me off because Nylander's agents will use that kind of contract as a comparable to get Willie north of $9M.
Wasn't Nylander a hold out for the last contract?
Yup.. about 3 days before the deadline that would've forced him to sit for the season. It's seemed excessive back then, but his output the past 2-3 years at $6.9M AAV was pretty good value.
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I think he's sneaky important for the Leafs. The guy they need to shed is Tavares, if they need to lose one of the big four of Mattews/Marner/Tavares/Nylander.
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In other news, Tyler Toffoli got traded from the Flames to the Devils and didn't cost much for the Devils to acquire him. I like how this Devils group is loading up.
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Can someone explain why the Flyers traded Hayes for a bag of pucks? Was this a pure salary dump?
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Beats me. I know nothing about him.
Well, he left both of his teams on not-favorable terms (according to the sports media). He was clear with the Jets org'n that he was not going to re-sign. And I seem to recall him being a big problem and refusing to put forth an effort when Torts was coaching CBJ.
I thing Chevy got a good return for him. That's a pretty rich contract LA gave him given his performance. And it pisses me off because Nylander's agents will use that kind of contract as a comparable to get Willie north of $9M.
Well...that's great. We lose a net 20 goals and 20 assists and a draft pick for an asshole AND gave him a rich contract. Is Rob Blake trying to make Kings fans long for the days of Sam McMaster and Dave Taylor?
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I feel like Rob Blake and the Assistant GMs had lost the plot at this point. I liked what they did getting Danault, Arvidsson, and Fiala, but this move really pushed them out of the target point. It still doesn't even address goalie needs. They only have $4.5M of cap space and 16 roster spots filled up. It's very morbid to say this early, but this team is so f***ed.
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I think he's sneaky important for the Leafs. The guy they need to shed is Tavares, if they need to lose one of the big four of Mattews/Marner/Tavares/Nylander.
We've had this discussion. They are stuck with him for 2 more years. I agree with you wholeheartedly by the way... if they could, they should/would. But it ain't gonna happen. I didn't like the signing in the first place - he wasn't the 2nd best player in the league in 2018, and he isn't the 7th best player in the league right now. Hindsight is 20/20, but I kinda wish he chose San Jose.
Just to rub salt in the would for you Kings fans... I forgot to mention that PLD has been clear with 2 YEARS LEFT ON HIS CONTRACT that he wasn't going to re-sign with the Jets. Now, to give him some credit, he played full on and had a pretty good year so that he could maximize his RFA value... and Blake bought into it. Not sure there's this much upside. This guy is making more that TimStutzle, Jack Hughes, Jason Robertson, Tage Thompson, Dylan Cousins, Elias Petterson, Nico Hischier, Andrei Svechnikov. What a joke. This guy should be making $7M tops. Probably more like $6.
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In other news, Tyler Toffoli got traded from the Flames to the Devils and didn't cost much for the Devils to acquire him. I like how this Devils group is loading up.
Yeah, really happy with our offseason so far. We shipped out Damon Severson, a pending UFA we weren't going to be able to sign, for a third-round pick. Then we packaged that pick with Yegor Sharangovich, a pending UFA we weren't going to be able to sign, and ended up with Toffoli. Getting Bratt signed to term was great, only thing left is to hopefully ink Meier for 8 years.
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If Armstrong can move Krug he won’t have to do anything else this off-season for me to consider it a win.
Krug has removed all indicators of him being a St. Louis Blue from his social media……and reports late last night was that there was some movement in him budging on his NTC. Rumor is it has to deal with Florida being a third team that Philly would then flip him to.
There's some rumbling that David Pastrnak is making waves about wanting Krug here in Boston. Ugh.
I told my step son what you said Gary ("I mean, who doesn't want..."), and he thought that was hilarious. :)
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Did anyone watch the NHL Awards the other night? I had it on, and it was cheesy AF, but there was nothing else on.
I thought it was kind of embarrassing that after Jim Montgomery's passionate speech about overcoming alcoholism, they come right back after the next commercial break and Dierks Bentley plays Beers On me, and there's a large swath of girls walking down the aisles handing out what was supposedly beer?. One girl had a big sign that read Free Beer!.
WTF NHL??
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Speaking of the NHL Awards, here's a link to who voted for who..
https://www.thephwa.com/2023/06/27/phwa-reveals-2023-nhl-awards-ballots/
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Did anyone watch the NHL Awards the other night? I had it on, and it was cheesy AF, but there was nothing else on.
I thought it was kind of embarrassing that after Jim Montgomery's passionate speech about overcoming alcoholism, they come right back after the next commercial break and Dierks Bentley plays Beers On me, and there's a large swath of girls walking down the aisles handing out what was supposedly beer?. One girl had a big sign that read Free Beer!.
WTF NHL??
Wow, that IS shitty. His is a great story, and ought not to be undermined like that.
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Thanks for that Tim. I was just in the midst of posting "who put Connor McDavid FIFTH!?" Never heard of this clown from Pitt, and I suspect he just made his last NHL Awards vote. What a fucking clown.
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Thanks for that Tim. I was just in the midst of posting "who put Connor McDavid FIFTH!?" Never heard of this clown from Pitt, and I suspect he just made his last NHL Awards vote. What a fucking clown.
I'm going to dig through it.
The Selke was not even close. Wow!
Looking at the Norris, I'm happy that Hampus Lindholm got some recognition, even a number of First Place votes. Not to be a homer, but his two way game was the best I've seen in a Boston uniform since Ray Bourque, and he dominated his shifts all season.
And I simply don't get the Adam Fox love. I really try to key in on him when the Rangers are on to try and see what everyone else is seeing, but I just don't. He's solid as hell for sure, but the top D-man in the league?
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Thanks for that Tim. I was just in the midst of posting "who put Connor McDavid FIFTH!?" Never heard of this clown from Pitt, and I suspect he just made his last NHL Awards vote. What a fucking clown.
Complete clown just looking for attention. No one in their right mind would have McDavid at 5th, and that type of vote just tarnishes the integrity of the voting system. It's one thing to use the loose definition of "most valuable to their team" to justify a vote for Pasta. It's another thing entirely to say the best player in the league by a significant margin had less impact on their team than Jason fucking Robertson or Ilya Sorokin. Utter nonsense!
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The same dude, Seth Rorabaugh, also voted a touch silly on the Norris. This one is a little more reasonable in that highest scoring d-man isn't necessarily the "best" d-man, but not having Erik Karlsson in your top 5 for voting is silly. He scored 100 points dammit!
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Thanks for that Tim. I was just in the midst of posting "who put Connor McDavid FIFTH!?" Never heard of this clown from Pitt, and I suspect he just made his last NHL Awards vote. What a fucking clown.
Complete clown just looking for attention. No one in their right mind would have McDavid at 5th, and that type of vote just tarnishes the integrity of the voting system. It's one thing to use the loose definition of "most valuable to their team" to justify a vote for Pasta. It's another thing entirely to say the best player in the league by a significant margin had less impact on their team than Jason fucking Robertson or Ilya Sorokin. Utter nonsense!
Sounds like the guys who vote for the baseball HOF and think it's legit not to vote for an obvious HOF'er for the sole purpose of ensuring the no one (other than Mariano Rivera) is a unanimous selection. "Because if Babe Ruth wasn't unanimous, then no one else should be."
The same dude, Seth Rorabaugh, also voted a touch silly on the Norris. This one is a little more reasonable in that highest scoring d-man isn't necessarily the "best" d-man, but not having Erik Karlsson in your top 5 for voting is silly. He scored 100 points dammit!
For the same reason the Selke exists, they really ought to create...I don't know...the Coffey Trophy for best offensive defenseman.
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For the same reason the Selke exists, they really ought to create...I don't know...the Coffey Trophy for best offensive defenseman.
Been saying this for years.
Karlsson was winning Norris trophies while not even killing penalties.
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For the same reason the Selke exists, they really ought to create...I don't know...the Coffey Trophy for best offensive defenseman.
Been saying this for years.
Karlsson was winning Norris trophies while not even killing penalties.
Exactly. Norris should be for defensive defenseman…..it’s always frustrating to watch these guys like Karlasson win it when they’re just basically forwards who play defense…..poorly.
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For the same reason the Selke exists, they really ought to create...I don't know...the Coffey Trophy Cup for best offensive defenseman.
How I missed that is beyond me! :lol
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Thanks for that Tim. I was just in the midst of posting "who put Connor McDavid FIFTH!?" Never heard of this clown from Pitt, and I suspect he just made his last NHL Awards vote. What a fucking clown.
Complete clown just looking for attention. No one in their right mind would have McDavid at 5th, and that type of vote just tarnishes the integrity of the voting system. It's one thing to use the loose definition of "most valuable to their team" to justify a vote for Pasta. It's another thing entirely to say the best player in the league by a significant margin had less impact on their team than Jason fucking Robertson or Ilya Sorokin. Utter nonsense!
Sounds like the guys who vote for the baseball HOF and think it's legit not to vote for an obvious HOF'er for the sole purpose of ensuring the no one (other than Mariano Rivera) is a unanimous selection. "Because if Babe Ruth wasn't unanimous, then no one else should be."
The same dude, Seth Rorabaugh, also voted a touch silly on the Norris. This one is a little more reasonable in that highest scoring d-man isn't necessarily the "best" d-man, but not having Erik Karlsson in your top 5 for voting is silly. He scored 100 points dammit!
For the same reason the Selke exists, they really ought to create...I don't know...the Coffey Trophy for best offensive defenseman.
Well, technically it should be the Orr Trophy, but he's as good a d-man as an offensive player (2nd all-time +/- to Robinson). Maybe the Leetch trophy would be more aptly named: 7th all-time PPG, but a mere +25. I was just looking at the all-time D-man PPG leaders. Karlsson is 8th, with a -103 +/-. He's played on some bad teams.
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Thanks for that Tim. I was just in the midst of posting "who put Connor McDavid FIFTH!?" Never heard of this clown from Pitt, and I suspect he just made his last NHL Awards vote. What a fucking clown.
He's not fifth, but I'm not sure I'd have him number one, either. I look at a guy like Matthew Tkachuk and then watch what I saw in the playoffs (where Draisitl made McDavid look like a third liner) and it's not as obvious as some of you are making out.
I do, though, strongly object to the sort of faux statements (like the Rivera one). Just shut up and vote.
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Thanks for that Tim. I was just in the midst of posting "who put Connor McDavid FIFTH!?" Never heard of this clown from Pitt, and I suspect he just made his last NHL Awards vote. What a fucking clown.
He's not fifth, but I'm not sure I'd have him number one, either. I look at a guy like Matthew Tkachuk and then watch what I saw in the playoffs (where Draisitl made McDavid look like a third liner) and it's not as obvious as some of you are making out.
I do, though, strongly object to the sort of faux statements (like the Rivera one). Just shut up and vote.
Vote are done before the playoffs Bill. You can't take the playoffs into consideration.
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Thanks for that Tim. I was just in the midst of posting "who put Connor McDavid FIFTH!?" Never heard of this clown from Pitt, and I suspect he just made his last NHL Awards vote. What a fucking clown.
He's not fifth, but I'm not sure I'd have him number one, either. I look at a guy like Matthew Tkachuk and then watch what I saw in the playoffs (where Draisitl made McDavid look like a third liner) and it's not as obvious as some of you are making out.
I do, though, strongly object to the sort of faux statements (like the Rivera one). Just shut up and vote.
Vote are done before the playoffs Bill. You can't take the playoffs into consideration.
Came in here to post exactly this. The awards are for regular season performance only. You didn't see Bobs get any consideration for the Vezina. If the Panthers don't make the playoffs on the last day of the season, just how valuable was Tkachuk? He doesn't even sniff the top 3 in Hart voting if Pitt beats Chicago in the last week of the season.
196 professional hockey writers had McDavid at #1. Seems statistically relevant.
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Thanks for that Tim. I was just in the midst of posting "who put Connor McDavid FIFTH!?" Never heard of this clown from Pitt, and I suspect he just made his last NHL Awards vote. What a fucking clown.
He's not fifth, but I'm not sure I'd have him number one, either. I look at a guy like Matthew Tkachuk and then watch what I saw in the playoffs (where Draisitl made McDavid look like a third liner) and it's not as obvious as some of you are making out.
I do, though, strongly object to the sort of faux statements (like the Rivera one). Just shut up and vote.
Vote are done before the playoffs Bill. You can't take the playoffs into consideration.
Came in here to post exactly this. The awards are for regular season performance only. You didn't see Bobs get any consideration for the Vezina. If the Panthers don't make the playoffs on the last day of the season, just how valuable was Tkachuk? He doesn't even sniff the top 3 in Hart voting if Pitt beats Chicago in the last week of the season.
196 professional hockey writers had McDavid at #1. Seems statistically relevant.
I didn't know when the cutoff was, so there's that, but my point goes a little farther than that: MVP isn't REALLY "most Valuable player", it's "best player". Connor was, probably the best player, but Edmonton never scared me at any point in the season. Matthew Tkachuk scares me when my team is playing against him.
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So, hypothetically... you're the GM of the 33rd franchise in the league, and can pick any player to be a member of your team, you'd pick Tkachuk over McDavid?
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I didn't know when the cutoff was, so there's that, but my point goes a little farther than that: MVP isn't REALLY "most Valuable player", it's "best player". Connor was, probably the best player, but Edmonton never scared me at any point in the season. Matthew Tkachuk scares me when my team is playing against him.
Lova ya' Bill but you're WAY off here. There's no universe where you pick anyone over McDavid....especially right now. He's only 26....I doubt we've seen his best hockey yet. I 'get' the sentiment behind tkachuk because he is tenacious and brings a certain moxi with him....but....there isn't a player playing hockey today in the NHL or AHL that you could justifiably pick over McDavid. He is a threat every single time he touches the puck.
MVP doesn't mean 'best' player.....it means the player most valuable to their teams success....it's another justifiable win for him. He'll probably get another three before it's all said and done.
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I didn't know when the cutoff was, so there's that, but my point goes a little farther than that: MVP isn't REALLY "most Valuable player", it's "best player". Connor was, probably the best player, but Edmonton never scared me at any point in the season. Matthew Tkachuk scares me when my team is playing against him.
Lova ya' Bill but you're WAY off here. There's no universe where you pick anyone over McDavid....especially right now. He's only 26....I doubt we've seen his best hockey yet. I 'get' the sentiment behind tkachuk because he is tenacious and brings a certain moxi with him....but....there isn't a player playing hockey today in the NHL or AHL that you could justifiably pick over McDavid. He is a threat every single time he touches the puck.
MVP doesn't mean 'best' player.....it means the player most valuable to their teams success....it's another justifiable win for him. He'll probably get another three before it's all said and done.
I was just looking at the last 22 years of Hart and Art Ross winners, and 8 times this millennia the Hart winner did not win the Art Ross - so there is precedence. When 196/197 vote the same way, I'd say it's pretty clear. Especially when it seems pretty clear the one outlier vote was making it as a statement - putting four other players ahead of him.
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Change of direction, but I remember when Crosby won this 3rd ring, there was the assumption that he was automatically the best player of his generation and possibly a top 5 player all-time (no freaking way), but fast forward to now and I doubt he will be remembered as being better than Ovechkin. Crosby has the edge in championships won (3-1), but that doesn't mean nearly as much in hockey as it does in football or basketball for example, and Ovechkin has a good shot now to go down as the greatest goal scorer in the history of the league (unless injuries start hitting him hard, I suspect he will play long enough to pass Gretzky).
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I didn't know when the cutoff was, so there's that, but my point goes a little farther than that: MVP isn't REALLY "most Valuable player", it's "best player". Connor was, probably the best player, but Edmonton never scared me at any point in the season. Matthew Tkachuk scares me when my team is playing against him.
Lova ya' Bill but you're WAY off here. There's no universe where you pick anyone over McDavid....especially right now.
I could be talked into Matthews.
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I didn't know when the cutoff was, so there's that, but my point goes a little farther than that: MVP isn't REALLY "most Valuable player", it's "best player". Connor was, probably the best player, but Edmonton never scared me at any point in the season. Matthew Tkachuk scares me when my team is playing against him.
Lova ya' Bill but you're WAY off here. There's no universe where you pick anyone over McDavid....especially right now.
I could be talked into Matthews.
Maybe prior to watching him vanish in this years playoffs I could have been. But, he's not a crunch time performer. He's a regular season player. McDavid at least showed up in the playoffs and competed and acted like he wanted to win.
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Well, technically it should be the Orr Trophy, but he's as good a d-man as an offensive player (2nd all-time +/- to Robinson). Maybe the Leetch trophy would be more aptly named: 7th all-time PPG, but a mere +25. I was just looking at the all-time D-man PPG leaders. Karlsson is 8th, with a -103 +/-. He's played on some bad teams.
I thought about Orr (because, duh), but my sense was that Orr was a more complete player (what with four seasons of 80+ +/-), so I went with the first dman I thought of who was mostly an offensive player (and note that I didn't see Coffey when he was with Edmonton).
Ovechkin has a good shot now to go down as the greatest goal scorer in the history of the league (unless injuries start hitting him hard, I suspect he will play long enough to pass Gretzky).
I think it's all but certain at this point (unless injuries happen). He needs 72 more goals and is under contract through 2025-26. Over the past two seasons (in which he played 77 and 73 games), he scored 92 goals. Over the past 6 seasons, he's scored 0.6197 goals per game, so his pace is not slowing. Since the lockout, he's played 95.5% of Washington's games. If he continues at that pace, he'll tie Gretzky right around game 40 or 41 of the 2024-25 season.
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Change of direction, but I remember when Crosby won this 3rd ring, there was the assumption that he was automatically the best player of his generation and possibly a top 5 player all-time (no freaking way), but fast forward to now and I doubt he will be remembered as being better than Ovechkin. Crosby has the edge in championships won (3-1), but that doesn't mean nearly as much in hockey as it does in football or basketball for example, and Ovechkin has a good shot now to go down as the greatest goal scorer in the history of the league (unless injuries start hitting him hard, I suspect he will play long enough to pass Gretzky).
I still think Crosby will land in the discussion for top 10 all time, but you're absolutely right about Ovechkin over shadowing him. I thought Gretzky's goal record was unbeatable. No doubt in my mind Ovi will beat the record, and go down as the greatest twine tickler the league has ever witnessed. It must absolutely grind Don Cherry's gears that the record will almost certainly fall to a Russian.
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Well, technically it should be the Orr Trophy, but he's as good a d-man as an offensive player (2nd all-time +/- to Robinson). Maybe the Leetch trophy would be more aptly named: 7th all-time PPG, but a mere +25. I was just looking at the all-time D-man PPG leaders. Karlsson is 8th, with a -103 +/-. He's played on some bad teams.
I thought about Orr (because, duh), but my sense was that Orr was a more complete player (what with four seasons of 80+ +/-), so I went with the first dman I thought of who was mostly an offensive player (and note that I didn't see Coffey when he was with Edmonton).
I was with ya ... until I saw that Coffey was a career +298. Top 20 of all time. Not too shabby. Leetch as a Top 10 scorer, and barely on the + side of +/- seemed a more 'offensive-only' choice.
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I think the concussions derailed Crosby's 'greatness' so to speak.
As far as Ovechkin and the goal record....I mean.....he does have a great shot and is a world class goal scorer....but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if the injury bug or some other scenario rained on his parade.
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As far as Ovechkin and the goal record....I mean.....he does have a great shot and is a world class goal scorer....but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if the injury bug or some other scenario rained on his parade.
I'm with ya there. I got nothing against him, and it will be most impressive for anyone to break any of Gretz's records thought to be unbreakable ... but I'd just a soon see it stay with the Great One.
Then again, Brodeur broke Sawchuk's shutout record, so I guess all any record is made to be broken.
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Well, technically it should be the Orr Trophy, but he's as good a d-man as an offensive player (2nd all-time +/- to Robinson). Maybe the Leetch trophy would be more aptly named: 7th all-time PPG, but a mere +25. I was just looking at the all-time D-man PPG leaders. Karlsson is 8th, with a -103 +/-. He's played on some bad teams.
I thought about Orr (because, duh), but my sense was that Orr was a more complete player (what with four seasons of 80+ +/-), so I went with the first dman I thought of who was mostly an offensive player (and note that I didn't see Coffey when he was with Edmonton).
I was with ya ... until I saw that Coffey was a career +298. Top 20 of all time. Not too shabby. Leetch as a Top 10 scorer, and barely on the + side of +/- seemed a more 'offensive-only' choice.
Fair enough. While I think the Coffey Cup would be great, I think it's because I first knew Coffey from his Pittsburgh years and the 60 games he spent with the Kings. He was +275 in 7 seasons with the Oilers and then put up a -50 in 4-plus seasons in Pittsburgh. After the ill-fated stint with the Kings, he was +72 in 3-plus seasons with the Wings.
Then again, Brodeur broke Sawchuk's shutout record, so I guess all any record is made to be broken.
Gretz's goal record will fall, but his assist record ain't gonna be touched in any of our lifetimes. He's got more than 700 more assists than #2. The highest active player, Methuselah Thornton, is 800 behind, and the next highest active player, Crosby, has less than half of Gretz's total.
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To be fair to Paul, he was with the Pens in the late 80s when they were mediocre-to-shyte.
Man, he was quite the journeyman after Detroit. I didn't remember he bounced around so much.
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In other news, Tyler Toffoli got traded from the Flames to the Devils and didn't cost much for the Devils to acquire him. I like how this Devils group is loading up.
Yeah, really happy with our offseason so far. We shipped out Damon Severson, a pending UFA we weren't going to be able to sign, for a third-round pick. Then we packaged that pick with Yegor Sharangovich, a pending UFA we weren't going to be able to sign, and ended up with Toffoli. Getting Bratt signed to term was great, only thing left is to hopefully ink Meier for 8 years.
Ask and I shall receive :D :D 8 years and less than 9MM AAV is something I can certainly live with. The entire core of this team is now basically locked in for the next 4 years (and many for 5+)
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To be fair to Paul, he was with the Pens in the late 80s when they were mediocre-to-shyte.
Man, he was quite the journeyman after Detroit. I didn't remember he bounced around so much.
He was still there when they won their first Cup in '91 (he was traded at the deadline of the second Cup season). In 90-91, he scored 24 and 74 but had a -18. Earned him 5th in the Norris voting (everyone ahead of him had a positive +/-). The year before, he had 29 and 74 and a -25, which was good for 4th in the Norris voting (everyone ahead of him had fewer points but at least a +13).
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So, hypothetically... you're the GM of the 33rd franchise in the league, and can pick any player to be a member of your team, you'd pick Tkachuk over McDavid?
I might.
Look, if "having the best player in the league" ensured winning, we'd see basically a very different Cup winner every season back to the last time Lemiuex won. With a handful of exceptions, I've never been the guy that gushes over the flashy stat guy.
Age is a factor, but if I could take Patrice Bergeron at 30 (greatest defensive forward of all time), or Connor McDavid now to start my team? Bergeron all day long.
I don't want guys with gaudy numbers. I want guys that WIN. McDavid does not now have enough Stanley Cups - that is to say, zero - to warrant me forming a team around him.
Oh, and to that point, Ovechkin isn't now and never will be the "greatest goal scorer in the NHL". He might, someday, be the player with the most goals scored as an NHL player, but Gretzky is, and always will be, knowing what we know now and regardless of how many goals anyone else scores, be the GREATEST goal scorer of all time.
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I didn't know when the cutoff was, so there's that, but my point goes a little farther than that: MVP isn't REALLY "most Valuable player", it's "best player". Connor was, probably the best player, but Edmonton never scared me at any point in the season. Matthew Tkachuk scares me when my team is playing against him.
Lova ya' Bill but you're WAY off here. There's no universe where you pick anyone over McDavid....especially right now. He's only 26....I doubt we've seen his best hockey yet. I 'get' the sentiment behind tkachuk because he is tenacious and brings a certain moxi with him....but....there isn't a player playing hockey today in the NHL or AHL that you could justifiably pick over McDavid. He is a threat every single time he touches the puck.
MVP doesn't mean 'best' player.....it means the player most valuable to their teams success....it's another justifiable win for him. He'll probably get another three before it's all said and done.
I think it does at this point. McDavid IS the best player. Was he most responsible for his teams success? I don't know. If it's only "regular season", Linus Ullmark deserves to be in that conversation. Greatest regular season in the history of the league, and Ullmark was a HUGE part of that. (I don't mean to be a homer; it's just the example I have to hand.)
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There are 32 players in the league who are "the most valuable to their team". There's an argument for Tage Thompson, or Sebastien Aho, or Tim Stutzle, or Clayton Keller. But to be the MOST Most Valuable Player, skills and ability and impact and results and other factors come in to play.
Honestly Bill, sometimes it's really hard to believe you aren't just contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. I respect your opinions and positions, but sometimes they're just so far off the reservation I have to :lolpalm: Ullmark? The team had nearly as much success when Swayman was between the pipes as when it was Ullmark.
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Age is a factor, but if I could take Patrice Bergeron at 30 (greatest defensive forward of all time), or Connor McDavid now to start my team? Bergeron all day long.
In the words of the Grail Knight to Walter Donovan....."You, have chosen....poorly"
There is no world where that is a sane choice. Bergeron is a very good defensive forward, but I can find a dozen other younger forwards in the league who would fit the role Bergeron could on a team built around McDavid.
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Serious question, Bill: would you take Trent Dilfer over Dan Marino? I mean, Marino put up gaudy stats, but Dilfer won. 1 Super Bowl to Marino's 0. If you want guys who win, you have to take Dilfer, right? ;)
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Serious question, Bill: would you take Trent Dilfer over Dan Marino? I mean, Marino put up gaudy stats, but Dilfer won. 1 Super Bowl to Marino's 0. If you want guys who win, you have to take Dilfer, right? ;)
Well, no, because Dilfer wasn't the catalyst for the win. But the list of guys I would take before Marino is a lot longer than you'd think.
There are guys that just win wherever they are. They make everyone around them better. Tkachuk was the obvious guy, and when he wasn't in the lineup, the team played down to earth. But not only was Tkachuk the guy that got a couple goals, guys like Bennett, Gudas and Barbas all played MATERIALLY better with Tkachuk on the ice (or at least in the lineup).
Bergeron is one of those guys. LOCKER ROOM to me is AS important as what's on the field/rink.
Honestly Bill, sometimes it's really hard to believe you aren't just contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. I respect your opinions and positions, but sometimes they're just so far off the reservation I have to :lolpalm: Ullmark? The team had nearly as much success when Swayman was between the pipes as when it was Ullmark.
I get why you say that, but it's not accurate. I think I've been consistent over the years with my position on this. Just go back to any of the conversations in the NFL thread about QBs. I am not now and never have been a 'star-fucker' when it comes to athletes.
It's not just players; my favorite sports figure right now is Geno Auriemma at Uconn. 11 WBB national champions and his mantra this season? Let him tell you (https://www.ctinsider.com/sports/uconn-womens-basketball/article/geno-auriemma-paige-bueckers-shut-up-win-18161648.php):
“The thing I learned a long time ago ... is stop talking about what you're going to do. Stop talking about what you hope happens and what happened last year and how you felt. Now that you put that out there, that's it, it's over, it's done with. Everybody knows. 'Hey, what's your goal at Connecticut?' What do you think it is at Connecticut? The goal is to win a national championship every year. Everybody knows it. You don't have to talk about it.”
“This isn't a 1970s rock band out for their 60th tour and they have to give every tour a name,” Auriemma said. “Everybody's got a 'Redeem team' and everybody's got a 'Reload team' and everybody's got an 'Unfinished business team.' Maybe we're not very social media savvy. How about we just shut the f--- up and win games? How about we just do that? Maybe that's what the tour should be: 'Shut the f--- up and win games.'”
Jim McMahon's body let him down, but he won football games. Phil Simms? Virtually no athletic talent, but he won football games (in seasons where he played 10 or more games, only one losing season).
I'm not interested in a 60 goal scorer who is home in mid-May watching the rest of the Stanley Cup playoffs along with me.
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Bergeron is one of those guys. LOCKER ROOM to me is AS important as what's on the field/rink.
Across the board by every teammate he's had.....McDavid is spoke about in high regard. He is a locker room guy as well that goes out and leads by example. It's not his fault his organization can't seem to find defense or goaltending. He, and his offense have done everything they can to get the Oilers over the hump.
I'm not interested in a 60 goal scorer who is home in mid-May watching the rest of the Stanley Cup playoffs along with me.
But you are interested in an 'aged out' 30 year old locker room guy who 'led' a team that completely collapsed and choked? who by the way was watching right along with you mid-may?
It's OK to be wrong every now and then Bill :lol I like your willingness to defend your position(s) but every now and then......like this one....your just wrong. It's alright to wave the white flag. Again, there is no reality where if you're starting a team and have a choice to take ANY player for that first player that it isn't McDavid. He makes every player around him twice as good as they actually are simply by being on the ice with him.
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There are guys that just win wherever they are. They make everyone around them better. Tkachuk was the obvious guy, and when he wasn't in the lineup, the team played down to earth. But not only was Tkachuk the guy that got a couple goals, guys like Bennett, Gudas and Barbas all played MATERIALLY better with Tkachuk on the ice (or at least in the lineup).
Bergeron is one of those guys. LOCKER ROOM to me is AS important as what's on the field/rink.
Honestly, this sounds like east coast bias. You see and have seen Bergeron a ton because he's spent his whole career with your team. Tkachuk got a lot of exposure in the EASTERN conference finals. How did Edmonton do without McDavid in the lineup? What's McDavid like in the locker room? Do you know? Why are you assuming Bergeron is better in the room than McDavid? Have you seen anywhere near as many Edmonton games, most of which don't start until 10:30 p.m. eastern time? You've got 149/150 guys saying McDavid was most valuable, but...?
I'm not interested in a 60 goal scorer who is home in mid-May watching the rest of the Stanley Cup playoffs along with me.
But you are interested in a 27-goal scorer who was home before May even started (and who, the year before, went home at the end of the first round as well)??
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Oilers trade Yamamoto and Kostin to the Wings. Neither are really a surprise. Apparently Holland and Kostin's camp were too far apart on a new deal, and there were already rumors swirling that he might head to the KHL. Hope he signs with Detroit. He was a good pickup for the Oil, and wish him success.
Yamo is an interesting one. He was touted as a highly skilled, but undersized forward. I'm not at all surprised he was moved given how badly he's underperformed. He's a very under sized player who doesn't put up the offensive numbers to back up his lack of stature. Not sure what Detroit is going to do with him.
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Oilers trade Yamamoto and Kostin to the Wings. Neither are really a surprise. Apparently Holland and Kostin's camp were too far apart on a new deal, and there were already rumors swirling that he might head to the KHL. Hope he signs with Detroit. He was a good pickup for the Oil, and wish him success.
Honestly, he's a headcase. The Blues giftwrapped several occasions and periods of time where they kept him in the lineup and practically begged him to step up and take over a role. So much talent but terribly inconsistent and his camp always seemed to point the finger as to why his success was sporadic. KHL is probably his best fit.
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Oilers trade Yamamoto and Kostin to the Wings. Neither are really a surprise. Apparently Holland and Kostin's camp were too far apart on a new deal, and there were already rumors swirling that he might head to the KHL. Hope he signs with Detroit. He was a good pickup for the Oil, and wish him success.
Honestly, he's a headcase. The Blues giftwrapped several occasions and periods of time where they kept him in the lineup and practically begged him to step up and take over a role. So much talent but terribly inconsistent and his camp always seemed to point the finger as to why his success was sporadic. KHL is probably his best fit.
That's a fair assessment. Had he been more consistent, I'm sure Holland would have easily given him the $2M he's asking.
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Oilers trade Yamamoto and Kostin to the Wings. Neither are really a surprise. Apparently Holland and Kostin's camp were too far apart on a new deal, and there were already rumors swirling that he might head to the KHL. Hope he signs with Detroit. He was a good pickup for the Oil, and wish him success.
Honestly, he's a headcase. The Blues giftwrapped several occasions and periods of time where they kept him in the lineup and practically begged him to step up and take over a role. So much talent but terribly inconsistent and his camp always seemed to point the finger as to why his success was sporadic. KHL is probably his best fit.
That's a fair assessment. Had he been more consistent, I'm sure Holland would have easily given him the $2M he's asking.
I pulled for him for quite some time.....but sooner or later you have to perform. don't know why he's unable to take that next step to an everyday player. Maybe it'll happen in Detroit.
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But you are interested in an 'aged out' 30 year old locker room guy who 'led' a team that completely collapsed and choked? who by the way was watching right along with you mid-may?
Well, what's good for McDavid is good for everyone else; Ullmark choked the chicken, and Bergeron was seriously hurt at age, what, 37? But he's got a Cup and two other Finals appearances. Has McDavid even appeared there?
It's OK to be wrong every now and then Bill :lol I like your willingness to defend your position(s) but every now and then......like this one....your just wrong. It's alright to wave the white flag. Again, there is no reality where if you're starting a team and have a choice to take ANY player for that first player that it isn't McDavid. He makes every player around him twice as good as they actually are simply by being on the ice with him.
I'm fine with being wrong; this is really about preferences. I just don't gravitate to the showy guys. You shut them down and you tend to shut the team down. That's where Bergeron is key; Pastrnak is the "star" on the Bruins; but when he disappeared - and he disappeared - Bergergon and Marchand and others stepped up.
Look, I'm not bagging on McDavid; I'm not going to die on that hill. Maybe I'm wrong on him, particularly. But my point stands; the star player isn't necessarily the winningest. I admire what he's done on the ice and I watched him on the skills competition; he's insane with his speed and the accuracy of his shot. This isn't a dig on McDavid. It's a comment that there are other players that are quietly dominant.
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Well, the Hart Trophy isn't also the "Most Successful", or "Most Winningest" award either. :biggrin:
When McDavid was shut down, Draisaitl carried the ball. I think you're mixing up "showy" with "unique talent and skills". I'd hardly call McDavid a showy person ... he's just monumentally more talented than everyone else.
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Well, the Hart Trophy isn't also the "Most Successful", or "Most Winningest" award either. :biggrin:
When McDavid was shut down, Draisaitl carried the ball. I think you're mixing up "showy" with "unique talent and skills". I'd hardly call McDavid a showy person ... he's just monumentally more talented than everyone else.
I meant showy numbers. "Big numbers!" as Randall Boggs would say. I agree McDavid is not a "showy" player or person.
David Pastrnak had the most goals by a long shot and signed the "big guy" contract in Boston, and honestly, he's not in my top five of players on the B's (Bergeron, Marchand, Lindholm, McAvoy and Orlov) right now (though Orlov probably won't be signed, unfortunately).
As for McDavid and Draisaitl, that just argues that I think I'd rather have Draisaitl than McDavid. ;)
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So you're disregarding all the times McDavid carried the team in the last 8 years?
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So you're disregarding all the times McDavid carried the team in the last 8 years?
For most of which he's been the captain of the team. Also, Bergeron didn't win squat until he was basically McDavid's age. The Kings have a guy who's every bit as good as Bergeron, but we haven't had anyone like McDavid in over 30 years. I don't really like the guy or the Oilers, but I'd French kiss a frog to get him on my team.
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What's with the Bergeron disses?
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What's with the Bergeron disses?
Facts =/= disrespect.
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What's with the Bergeron disses?
Facts =/= disrespect.
No of course not.
I think by default, the best player is the most valuable, no?
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I have NOTHING but respect for Bergeron.
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We all love Bergeron, but let's be real, I'm in the same boat as PG. I despise McDavid and the Oilers (the Kings had to face them at least 20 games in the last two years so we see firsthand how effective McDavid is), but when it comes to the most valuable player for a team in comparison to 31 other players that are most valuable to their respective teams, it's extremely hard to not go with McDavid.
Should there be someone that can have a controversial opinion on that? Yes, and we saw that in the writers votes, but everyone else agrees that McDavid is the best of the bunch when it comes to being the main driver for his team. They all can't be wrong and these writers watches mainly their main teams around the league and they still went with McDavid.
Here's how you know some of the writers that votes in these awards take it seriously. Jon Rosen, former writer of the LA Kings Insider official team blog, that's gone more independent but still mainly covers the Kings, stated that he did not have Kopitar (whose always in the debate for the Selke and Bergeron's contemporary in that category) in his top 5 when it comes to the Selke. He stated that this award is not a career achievement award and felt that when it comes to defensive metrics, Kopitar was not as efficient for the Kings, this season, as he did for the seasons when he won the Selkes and thought Phil Danault handled more of the heavier lifting when it comes to the defensive forward responsibilities for the Kings.
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I have a ton of respect for Bergeron.
But if the question is, "who would you build your team around", and your choices are McDavid now and a 30 year old Bergeron... and you choose the latter...
I mean, there's really no nice way to say this, so I'll be as polite as possible:
You're either being silly, or trolling. Silly is the word I'd really like to change to something else.
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Who's saying Bergeron is better than McDavid? Not me.
But if the question is, "who would you build your team around", and your choices are McDavid now and a 30 year old Bergeron...
McDavid, obviously.
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I mean, I'm trying to be nice, but if you need it singled out again. :lol
Age is a factor, but if I could take Patrice Bergeron at 30 (greatest defensive forward of all time), or Connor McDavid now to start my team? Bergeron all day long.
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I mean, I'm trying to be nice, but if you need it singled out again. :lol
Age is a factor, but if I could take Patrice Bergeron at 30 (greatest defensive forward of all time), or Connor McDavid now to start my team? Bergeron all day long.
It's a sports opinion.
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I mean, I'm trying to be nice, but if you need it singled out again. :lol
Age is a factor, but if I could take Patrice Bergeron at 30 (greatest defensive forward of all time), or Connor McDavid now to start my team? Bergeron all day long.
It's a sports opinion.
It’s a Stadler sports opinion. Double whammy! :lol
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I mean, I'm trying to be nice, but if you need it singled out again. :lol
Age is a factor, but if I could take Patrice Bergeron at 30 (greatest defensive forward of all time), or Connor McDavid now to start my team? Bergeron all day long.
It's a sports opinion.
It’s a Stadler sports opinion. Double whammy! :lol
In his defense, all he's saying is that he'd take the proven commodity over the over the young hot shot.
Almost half of McDavid's points are PP points, and for all those stats, he was still only a +22.
I believe McDavid's best days are ahead of him as he becomes a more complete player.
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It's not like he's horrible defensively. He's all right. Heck, if he forces a turnover in the defense zone on the PK and forces a breakaway, it's usually game over for the goalie. I've seen a few of those goals. It's just not what you really want to allocate his most important minutes on.
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It's not like he's horrible defensively. He's all right. Heck, if he forces a turnover in the defense zone on the PK and forces a breakaway, it's usually game over for the goalie. I've seen a few of those goals. It's just not what you really want to allocate his most important minutes on.
Oh yeah, he's ridiculous.
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What's with the Bergeron disses?
Apparently I ruffled some feathers by not properly fellating Connor McDavid. I think I've been clear. Over the same eight years that supposedly Connor was transforming the game. ;) :) ;) :) ;) :)
NO ONE, not least of all me, said Connor McDavid sucked, or wasn't an exceptional player. Much like the conversations we've had about Patrick Mahomes (where I was grossly misunderstood there, too), I just prefer a different kind of player. Just like there are "defensive" defensemen and "offensive" defensemen, so here. I'm not interested in highlight reels. I'm interested in the guys that will leave everything on the ice and will be as dangerous, as deadly when they're NOT putting mad pucks in the net. When they are hurt. When they are off the ice. MAYBE Connor can do that. I'm not saying he can't or doesn't.
Much like the Panthers and the Knights were two very different teams in terms of style, I prefer a different kind of player. I'm usually going to form a team that doesn't rely on the generational player.
I'm not going to go into it here, but some nerds think that Corsi, Fenwick and Close Fenwick are the best predictors of "wins" in the NHL. (They are all based largely on possession, using shots as a proxy for possession; there are variations: Fenwick is across the game, Close Fenwick is when the score is within two goals). Let's go to the videotape:
in 2022-2023, on this one Patrice Bergeron - at 37 and probably on the downside of his career (if not in the twilight) was 43rd in Corsi, and Connor McDavid was 139th (Matthew Tkachuk was 21st, by the way). Bergeron was 39th in Fenwick and McDavid was 175th (Tkachuk was 30th). In the playoffs, Bergeron was fourth in the league. McDavid was seventh ON HIS TEAM, and 22nd in the league. (http://in 2022-2023, on this one Patrice Bergeron - at 37 and probably on the downside of his career (if not in the twilight) was 43rd in Corsi, and Connor McDavid was 139th (Matthew Tkachuk was 21st, by the way). Bergeron was 39th in Fenwick and McDavid was 175th (Tkachuk was 30th). In the playoffs, Bergeron was fourth in the league. McDavid was seventh ON HIS TEAM, and 22nd in the league.)
The question was "who would you start your team with". I'm starting a team to WIN HOCKEY GAMES, not win awards or put up flashy numbers. I get that most - all - of you don't agree with me, and that's fine. I'm quite okay with that. BUT, before you dismiss me as "silly" or "contrarian" or "trolling", there IS some science to this. I'm not completely out in left field.
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I'm gonna go all Tim here... what the fuck is a corsi or a fenwick? Sounds like Hobbit clans.
Digging deep to find the stats that back up your position. Last time I checked, wins come from the team that scores more goals than they allow. I Connor participated in 150+ goals. Seems like a pretty good and direct indicator of an individual players contribution to team success.
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First general criticism of Corsi is exactly Connor's situation: "A good player playing consistently with bad players will have a lower Corsi number, while a good player playing with great players will get a boost. ". While Connor does play PP with Leon, they don't play on a line together very often for 5v5. He often ends up with 2nd or 3rd line caliber players because he can pretty much carry the load himself. No one doubts Boston has a very good core of talent in Pasta, Bergeron, Marchand, Krecji, and that wealth of talent makes the whole of the top 2 lines better. McDavid and Draisaitl have essentially carried the Oilers on their backs for 7 years with lots of questionable pieces around them.
I don't much about Fenwick, but I don't put much stock in Corsi. It's basic premise is sound in that more shots=more goals based on a team/player's shooting %, but at the end of the day it still comes down to goal differential. Shot differential doesn't relate closely enough to goal differential. When you compare Corsi to +/- it looks like rocket science, but it's still only has an r-squared around .10 for explaining wins (although I last checked that back in 2014 while having this same argument about its validity with a friend, so who knows if they've refined it since then). Goal differential itself has an r-squared in the range of .98....so almost exactly correlated.
If you're looking at the long term success of a team, Bill's position is a bit more justified choosing a player like Bergeron. He's quite correct that Bergeron is still playing defensive hockey at a very high level. Will Connor McDavid be scoring at an elite level late into his thirties? Unlikely. But as a GM you'd be gambling that a) your defensive star player is still with your team and injury free throughout their career; b) they can stop more chances than the star scoring player can create on avg. through each respective career; and c) the star scoring player doesn't ever learn to play any semblance of responsible hockey which would essentially nullify any benefits to selecting the perennial Selke nominee (or winner, in Bergeron's case).
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To follow up lol:
"Another issue is that Corsi does little to capture the ability of an NHL superstar to influence the game. Ending with the 2020-2021 regular season and only looking at 5v5 stats, Connor McDavid has been on the ice for 6776 Corsi for events and 397 goals for. Meanwhile a more average fourth liner Pierre-Edouard Bellemare has been on the ice for 4663 Corsi for events and 143 Goals for. This translates to a 5.86% vs 3.07% Corsi Shooting percentage when McDavid is on ice vs when Bellemare is on ice.[7][8] Thus, caution needs to be taken when trying to draw too many conclusions about a player's ability from their Corsi stats."
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The question was "who would you start your team with". I'm starting a team to WIN HOCKEY GAMES
Again.....if that is the case then there is no earthly scenario where you don't pick McDavid first. At all. You win games by scoring more goals than the other team. You can 'teach' defense.....you can 'teach' team strategy.....you can get by and succeed and win cups with above average goalies.....what you can't do is teach or coach the hockey IQ and pure hockey sense and skill that McDavid has. No trackable stat or any of this other BS can capture it.
I wasn't or didn't 'dog' Bergeron either or crap in his Cheerios. I'm only stating the obvious that there's no world where when all things being equal and you were dead serious about building a team that he is chosen before McDavid. Even if it were his 'prime' years.....it's McDavid every time. He's a generational talent.....there are a dozen 'Bergeron's' in the league at any given time.
It's just silly to try and even debate this. You can suggest it's an opinion and I guess that's fine but the hypothetical question that was posed.....there's only one answer to it.
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I'm gonna go all Tim here... what the fuck is a corsi or a fenwick? Sounds like Hobbit clans.
Digging deep to find the stats that back up your position. Last time I checked, wins come from the team that scores more goals than they allow. I Connor participated in 150+ goals. Seems like a pretty good and direct indicator of an individual players contribution to team success.
Look, I've been accommodating. I've conceded that you all might be right, but I'm owning my position. I - unlike you all - recognize there are merits to both sides and that there are more than one way to win a championship. But don't insult our intelligence by trying to justify it by nonsense. If you win 1-0 or you win 7-5, that's simply one win. If Connor gets 8 bazillion goals and gets 40 wins, and someone like Bergeron gets 20 and gets 60 wins, those 7 and a half bazillion goals are USELESS. MEANINGLESS. That's my point. I don't want to build around a generational player and have what happened to Edmonton (after Gretzky), the Patriots (after Brady), the Yankees (after Jeter). Because for every one of those guys, there are 10 or 20 who have no or one championship and they weren't able to replicate it, either because the star was a prima donna (Hi Aaron!) or they took too much cap space, whatever. I want a team like the Islanders that won four in a row and who was their generational player? Sure they had Bossy but he wasn't at the level of the all time greats. Theirs was a TEAM. Trottier and Potvin and Smith were as important in their own way as Bossy was.
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The question was "who would you start your team with". I'm starting a team to WIN HOCKEY GAMES
Again.....if that is the case then there is no earthly scenario where you don't pick McDavid first. At all. You win games by scoring more goals than the other team. You can 'teach' defense.....you can 'teach' team strategy.....you can get by and succeed and win cups with above average goalies.....what you can't do is teach or coach the hockey IQ and pure hockey sense and skill that McDavid has. No trackable stat or any of this other BS can capture it.
I wasn't or didn't 'dog' Bergeron either or crap in his Cheerios. I'm only stating the obvious that there's no world where when all things being equal and you were dead serious about building a team that he is chosen before McDavid. Even if it were his 'prime' years.....it's McDavid every time. He's a generational talent.....there are a dozen 'Bergeron's' in the league at any given time.
It's just silly to try and even debate this. You can suggest it's an opinion and I guess that's fine but the hypothetical question that was posed.....there's only one answer to it.
Well, first, there AREN'T a dozen Bergeron's, that's the point. He's a generational player in his own way; some consider him the greatest DEFENSIVE forward EVER. So let's not diss Bergie to make the point.
You guys keep saying this about goals, but you're being too narrow. First, it's sort of counter intuitive, I know, but just "scoring goals" doesn't mean wins. As I noted before a 1-0 win and a 9-2 win count the same. I know it's counter intuitive, but there's research out there that says that the NHL - like most team sports - is like 75% random in terms of outcomes. So you are looking for the edge on about 25% of the games. Whether McDavid score "one more" than the next guy, or Bergeron "prevents one less" than the next guy, net-net we're at the same point. Qualitatively, there is NO DIFFERENCE.
I get it. McDavid is a god. You guys pick him, and I'll enjoy watching him play just like everyone else. I'm not arguing this to be contrarian, I'm not arguing this to be silly, I just have a different point of view. There's 32 teams in the NHL; 31 of them do NOT have Connor McDavid. The data set of teams that have won the Stanley Cup in the last eight years is comprised SOLELY OF TEAMS that do not have Connor McDavid. He's not a lock, he's not a guarantee.
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Woah, woah, I have to push back on that about Mike Bossy. He absolutely was one of the all-time greats. He was overshadowed a bit by Gretzky, who came into the league and was pretty much the best player instantly, but everyone was overshadowed by 99. Bossy was arguably the 2nd best player in the league during that entire Islanders dynasty run of 4 championships.
In any discussion of the best goal scorers in the history of the NHL, Mike Bossy is in that conversation (unless one wants to restrict it to just Gretzky, or maybe just Gretzky and Ovechkin).
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Woah, woah, I have to push back on that about Mike Bossy. He absolutely was one of the all-time greats. He was overshadowed a bit by Gretzky, who came into the league and was pretty much the best player instantly, but everyone was overshadowed by 99. Bossy was arguably the 2nd best player in the league during that entire Islanders dynasty run of 4 championships.
In any discussion of the best goal scorers in the history of the NHL, Mike Bossy is in that conversation (unless one wants to restrict it to just Gretzky, or maybe just Gretzky and Ovechkin).
Well, maybe it's because he didn't have the longevity (put Howe in there, too). He's not in the top 20 all time, with something like 575 goals, and if I remember Trottier had 525 or something. Then again, Messier has almost 700 himself (as Gretz' partner for so many years).
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Bossy, Bergeron, Corsi…. Dammit I need a laptop.
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Woah, woah, I have to push back on that about Mike Bossy. He absolutely was one of the all-time greats. He was overshadowed a bit by Gretzky, who came into the league and was pretty much the best player instantly, but everyone was overshadowed by 99. Bossy was arguably the 2nd best player in the league during that entire Islanders dynasty run of 4 championships.
In any discussion of the best goal scorers in the history of the NHL, Mike Bossy is in that conversation (unless one wants to restrict it to just Gretzky, or maybe just Gretzky and Ovechkin).
Well, maybe it's because he didn't have the longevity (put Howe in there, too). He's not in the top 20 all time, with something like 575 goals, and if I remember Trottier had 525 or something. Then again, Messier has almost 700 himself (as Gretz' partner for so many years).
I think Bossy is still 1st in league history in goals per game, but longevity was not his friend. And goals per game can be a bit hairy as well, as you could argue that he is 1st because of his lack of longevity (he didn't have a bunch of seasons later in his career to drag his overall average down). Regardless, his prime, which was pretty much his entire NHL career before the last season that was ruined due to the back injury that forced his retirement, was something else.
It is interesting to note that since Gretzky won the Hart Trophy 9 times (cue Edward Rooney), only three players since have won it three times (none more than that): Mario Lemieux, Alexander Ovechkin and Connor McDavid.
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Woah, woah, I have to push back on that about Mike Bossy. He absolutely was one of the all-time greats. He was overshadowed a bit by Gretzky, who came into the league and was pretty much the best player instantly, but everyone was overshadowed by 99. Bossy was arguably the 2nd best player in the league during that entire Islanders dynasty run of 4 championships.
In any discussion of the best goal scorers in the history of the NHL, Mike Bossy is in that conversation (unless one wants to restrict it to just Gretzky, or maybe just Gretzky and Ovechkin).
Well, maybe it's because he didn't have the longevity (put Howe in there, too). He's not in the top 20 all time, with something like 575 goals, and if I remember Trottier had 525 or something. Then again, Messier has almost 700 himself (as Gretz' partner for so many years).
I think Bossy is still 1st in league history in goals per game, but longevity was not his friend. And goals per game can be a bit hairy as well, as you could argue that he is 1st because of his lack of longevity (he didn't have a bunch of seasons later in his career to drag his overall average down). Regardless, his prime, which was pretty much his entire NHL career before the last season that was ruined due to the back injury that forced his retirement, was something else.
It is interesting to note that since Gretzky won the Hart Trophy 9 times (cue Edward Rooney), only three players since have won it three times (none more than that): Mario Lemieux, Alexander Ovechkin and Connor McDavid.
A combined 43 years of experience (17+18+8) and three Stanley Cups (2+1+0). The Great One has four by himself in 19 years. (And while I don't want to imply that Gretzky isn't the greatest player to ever play the game - he is - to my argument on "defense" being as valuable as "offense", it should be noted that Messier has SIX, including two without Gretzky.)
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A combined 43 years of experience (17+18+8) and three Stanley Cups (2+1+0). The Great One has four by himself in 19 years. (And while I don't want to imply that Gretzky isn't the greatest player to ever play the game - he is - to my argument on "defense" being as valuable as "offense", it should be noted that Messier has SIX, including two without Gretzky.)
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You can....because he isn't. That's Mario Lemieux. Better at every facet of the game than #99. Only thing he didn't do that #99 did was start his career when goalies couldn't save shots that never came off the ice.
If there was a 'hypothetical' take any player from their prime to build a team around, Lemieux is the first draft pic.
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Free Agency day today. Should we do a new thread?
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Free Agency day today. Should we do a new thread?
Yes. God yes. May this Bergeron vs. McDavid topic die here
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Sweet, I'm creating it now.
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A combined 43 years of experience (17+18+8) and three Stanley Cups (2+1+0). The Great One has four by himself in 19 years. (And while I don't want to imply that Gretzky isn't the greatest player to ever play the game - he is - to my argument on "defense" being as valuable as "offense", it should be noted that Messier has SIX, including two without Gretzky.)
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You can....because he isn't. That's Mario Lemieux. Better at every facet of the game than #99. Only thing he didn't do that #99 did was start his career when goalies couldn't save shots that never came off the ice.
If there was a 'hypothetical' take any player from their prime to build a team around, Lemieux is the first draft pic.
I saw both, and Gretzky was... different. He was playing a different game; there's no Lemieux without Gretzky. I still think Gretzky is the greatest; though, counterintuitively, I do agree with you that Lemieux would be my "hypothetical" first draft pick. He's everything I like about players in hockey. Good skills, tough as nails, knew how to win and made everyone around him better. He went up about forty notches for his performance in... was it '92 when he beat cancer and the same day as his last treatment he was back in the lineup and scored two goals? Dammit.
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I'd throw Messier into the lot with Lemieux as potential 1st overall All-time. Absolute monster of a player and leader.
Jason Strudwick, a co-host on a TSN1260 (RIP) radio show, and former teammate of the Moose, often told stories about him on the bench and in the locker room. He said when Messier spoke, you'd be willing to storm the gates of hell if he asked you to. He inspired that level of confidence from his presence.
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A combined 43 years of experience (17+18+8) and three Stanley Cups (2+1+0). The Great One has four by himself in 19 years. (And while I don't want to imply that Gretzky isn't the greatest player to ever play the game - he is - to my argument on "defense" being as valuable as "offense", it should be noted that Messier has SIX, including two without Gretzky.)
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You can....because he isn't. That's Mario Lemieux. Better at every facet of the game than #99. Only thing he didn't do that #99 did was start his career when goalies couldn't save shots that never came off the ice.
If there was a 'hypothetical' take any player from their prime to build a team around, Lemieux is the first draft pic.
I saw both, and Gretzky was... different. He was playing a different game; there's no Lemieux without Gretzky. I still think Gretzky is the greatest; though, counterintuitively, I do agree with you that Lemieux would be my "hypothetical" first draft pick. He's everything I like about players in hockey. Good skills, tough as nails, knew how to win and made everyone around him better. He went up about forty notches for his performance in... was it '92 when he beat cancer and the same day as his last treatment he was back in the lineup and scored two goals? Dammit.
Mario was awesome, but I think just about everyone besides Pittsburgh homers and my fellow friendly St Louisan :) knows that Gretzky is the hockey GOAT. It's really not close. :coolio :coolio
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Lemieux could've been the GOAT, but health issues prevented it. GOAT also includes longevity, and in my mind, Orr/Bossy/Lemieux lose a bit of points from shortened careers.
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Make not mistake about it, Mario was awesome. Easily the 2nd best player I have seen since I started hockey in the early 80s.
But there is only Great One. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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I will say this, I think Mario’s 92/93 season was the greatest by any player ever.
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I ‘get’ why Gretzky is the great one…..I do. But if I had my choice of ‘prime’ Gretzky or ‘prime’ Lemieux…….I’d take Lemieux all day long every time. More physical, better shot…..better two way player…..were he not to have gotten cancer his numbers would have been higher.
You get into the era thing with these two. While 99 wasn’t all that much older than 66……99 benefited from some utterly atrocious attempts at goaltending. Go to YouTube and watch his early years……he could shoot from the blue line and the puck wouldn’t leave the ice and it’d go in.
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taking it to the new NHL thread before Nick locks this one.