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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: The Letter M on May 17, 2022, 04:23:19 PM
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https://youtu.be/gim2kprjL50
First full trailer!
-Marc.
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Well that looks.......
...I remain not terribly excited.
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Well that looks.......
...I remain not terribly excited.
IDK my friend. Looks like lighthearted fun.
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Well that looks.......
...I remain not terribly excited.
IDK my friend. Looks like lighthearted fun.
Parts. For sure.
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More Mark Ruffalo is always good. Plus the return of Roth/Blonsky/Abomination.
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I think they realized with Thor, Ragnarok, a comedic side works with the Hulk. It feels the same.
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I'm hoping the CGI is vastly improved by the time it's released. Hulk looked fine, she hulk looked horrible.
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I'm hoping the CGI is vastly improved by the time it's released. Hulk looked fine, she hulk looked horrible.
I had the same thought. CGI Tatiana did not look right at all. Why CGI a woman that gorgeous to begin with?
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I’m what you would say a ‘casual’ Marvel watcher……seen most of the movies….they’ve been entertaining and fun……but this looks atrocious. It’s ok to say ‘no’ in these pitch meetings fellas……it doesn’t all need to be made.
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I'll reserve judgement on the CGI, but in general I thought it looked like a ton of fun. Looking forward to it!
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Looks great fun. :)
Not sure about the CGI. We'll see.
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I'll watch, but this one isn't looking all that great to me so far.
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This one looks like a fun watch to me. The CGI definitely looks a little janky, but I also feel like we're all holding it to a higher bar implicitly because Hulk is naturally cartoony while She-Hulk in theory looks more realistic (take a pretty lady and just make her taller and green).
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I love Tatiana Maslany, and the story/tone looks OK to me, as long as they improve the quality of the CGI.
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I'll reserve judgement on the CGI, but in general I thought it looked like a ton of fun. Looking forward to it!
Same. I suspect they'll still be tweaking the CGI right up to the release date.
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Part of me hopes they leave the cgi alone just so the internet will lose its fucking mind even more than it has in the last day.
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Hulk here has his arm completely healed, does that mean this is pre blip or post blip healed?
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Hulk here has his arm completely healed, does that mean this is pre blip or post blip healed?
Wondering about that too. It's possible that part of it is flashback between Infinity War and Endgame and the rest of it modern? Or it's possible the dude just healed at some point.
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Hulk here has his arm completely healed, does that mean this is pre blip or post blip healed?
Wondering about that too. It's possible that part of it is flashback between Infinity War and Endgame and the rest of it modern? Or it's possible the dude just healed at some point.
I was wondering the same. We saw him in Shang-Chi post credit with his arm still recovering, but Human form.
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Abomination is locked in the same thing that appeared at the end of Shang Xi, when Wong opens and cross the portal.
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The CGI looks... rough. I'm skeptical of this, honestly their treatment of Hulk as a character is one of my main issues with Endgame.
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Forgot if I've posted in here about the shows recently so forgive me
I finished Hawkeye. Didn't really enjoy it. Kate is cute af.
What If - bad animation and art style imo, even worse voice acting. Made it one episode before giving up. Only Marvel show I've seen that I dislike so much. No problem with the concepts... just not fun to sit through.
Moon Knight - really cool examination of a character with mental problems we've never seen in the mcu and I think Oscar Isaac does a great job. But I'm not really a fan of the plot. Steven annoys me too and I don't understand the Mr. Knight thing and what the purpose of it and that suit is. Moon Knight, Konchu, beats the shit out of bad people, got it. Mr. Knight feels like a badly executed comedy bit to me.
She Hulk looks okay. Her cgi isn't great but like an early look at a video game it could be rough unfinished cgi. Guaranteed they'll adjust it before it airs... I hope. The show itself has me curious.
Oh and I really didn't like the villain in Hawkeye. Her show announcement kind of made me groan. She is a less cool, less interesting version of Kimiko on The Boys to me. Nat's sister was awesome though. Also hated that they did Kingpin like that. Was kind of hoping he'd stick around and maybe fight Spiderman in the films. I guess that's still technically possible but meh.
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Want a She-Hulk & Gamora team up.
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What If - bad animation and art style imo, even worse voice acting. Made it one episode before giving up. Only Marvel show I've seen that I dislike so much. No problem with the concepts... just not fun to sit through.
So you only saw the captain Carter episode? I can see your point. Though I would say it gets better. Specially the Dr. strange and the 2 Ultron episodes.
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What If - bad animation and art style imo, even worse voice acting. Made it one episode before giving up. Only Marvel show I've seen that I dislike so much. No problem with the concepts... just not fun to sit through.
So you only saw the captain Carter episode? I can see your point. Though I would say it gets better. Specially the Dr. strange and the 2 Ultron episodes.
No, it really doesn't. :lol
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Yeah the Captain Carter episode was enough for me. That was some terrible voice acting especially on that general or whoever was her superior. The animation was not the quality I was expecting either. Again, the concepts are totally fine although it reeeeally stretched and rushed things just for the sake of telling the "what if" scenario but that's not enough to make me stop watching, the visuals and audio however are.
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I was really lukewarm on What If until the last couple of episodes. Suddenly the entire focus of the show changed completely and it suddenly become something different entirely that I was not expecting. That payoff was worth the rest of it to me. YMMV
I mean, it went from “episodic, week to week, none of this is related it’s all just what if” to suddenly being about the Multiverse and all of it breaking down, and the guy watching over all is watching it all fall apart…. Now I want to watch it again. That ending was a trip
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Honestly their shows have kinda been misses for me. Wandavision was interesting but kinda got boring in the last episode when you have the obligatory CGI action sequence. But with both Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Loki and Hawkeye I felt myself losing interest towards the latter episodes and kinda had to force myself to get through them. Haven't started Moonknight yet - I do want to see it but I feel like I need to muster up enthusiasm to finally get going on it. She-Hulk is a show I wanted to be hyped about because I like Tatiana Maslany but the CGI looks bad and their treatment of the Hulk as a character just rubs me the wrong way.
Not to say that these shows have been bad or anything but it feels like a sea of "yeah its alright" tv-shows where you feel forced to watch all of it or you will miss out on the bigger picture. But then you have other shows that are more interesting because they're about other things.
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I haven't felt "yeah its alright" about any of the live action MCU shows.
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I haven't felt "yeah its alright" about any of the live action MCU shows.
I felt that way about What If?
I really liked 9/10 of each of the other shows. They usually lost a bit at that lest episode, but that doesn't undo the rest of the series.
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I haven't felt "yeah its alright" about any of the live action MCU shows.
I felt that way about What If?
I hated What If? That's why I said "live action."
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I haven't felt "yeah its alright" about any of the live action MCU shows.
I felt that way about What If?
I hated What If? That's why I said "live action."
Fair. Missed that part of the post.
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With Ms. Marvel finished, this is the next dose of MCU content, coming in just about a month.
For those who don't know, this is supposed to be a 9-episode series with slightly shorter episodes, in the 30 minute range. It's supposed to have a more proceedural/sitcom-y feel to it, and given what I've heard about She-Hulk in the comics, this seems like a good fit for her. I think anyone who thinks she's just supposed to be an action superhero are going to be disappointed when the show turns into a sitcom and possibly even has some fourth-wall breaking jokes. She-Hulk was never a serious comic from what I've seen, and I like that they're trying to translate that into live action.
And I'm excited to see Blonsky and Wong again, and maybe figure out why they were in that fighting ring in Shang-Chi. I think this show also has a good chance of seeing Val again, especially if she recruits the Abomination to join whatever team it is she's possibly putting together with USAgent and Yelena Belova (most likely the Thunderbolts, which was announced as having a film in the works several weeks ago).
I think we will see another trailer at SDCC this coming weekend as we ramp up the advertising for this show in the next few weeks. I haven't heard if the first day will have two episodes or just the first one, but either way, the show will carry the MCU into early/mid-October! The thing I am loving about this year's Disney+ MCU Content is that they're all brand new characters in the MCU, so we aren't burdened with needing to make connections to everyone and everything, and hopefully, She-Hulk continues the trend of fleshing out a new characters fairly well (like we got with Ms. Marvel and, for the most part, Moon Knight).
-Marc.
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Wasn't looking forward to this at all but the new trailer has me cautiously excited.
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I was actually very stoked for this, and the new trailer makes me even more so.
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So Wanda's coming back in a What If series. Cool.
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#SheHulk will now premiere August 18
New episodes drop every Thursday instead of Wednesday
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Good. I hate the Wednesday episode drop. Friday is my preference because it just feels like more of an event when it is the first "big thing" for the weekend, but Thursday is fine, I guess.
Anyway, I hope this series is decent and doesn't push the boundaries very hard in terms of appropriateness.
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Boo... I got my regular AA homegroup meeting Thursday. Looks like it'll be regulated to Friday night for me.
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#SheHulk director Kat Coiro on Daredevil's role in the show
“To watch Matt Murdock and Jennifer Walters match wits is something I think people are going to love. Charlie & Tatiana have great chemistry, it's got the tone of a Howard Hawks movie"
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https://www.theblaze.com/news/shehulk-cgi-womens-bodies-ownership
You know it's bad when the complaint is about how bad the CGI is and then the director turns into "fans hate women"
No...the complaint is that it looks like you made Shrek 5 instead of She-Hulk,
Bruce looks pretty good, & Jennifer looks like someone used Microsoft Paint
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I have never gotten the hate for special effects. Maybe it’s just because I grew up with the original Star Trek and the fourth doctor from Doctor Who. Both of those shows taught me that if you have a really good story you can suspend your disbelief on the special effects. So that’s been my frame of mind since I was a kid.
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The She-Hulk twitter account posted some sneak-peek images today, featuring a clearer look at Daredevil's gold and red costume from the shoulders up. It looks REALLY good. I'm excited to see him in this series!
-Marc.
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I have never gotten the hate for special effects. Maybe it’s just because I grew up with the original Star Trek and the fourth doctor from Doctor Who. Both of those shows taught me that if you have a really good story you can suspend your disbelief on the special effects. So that’s been my frame of mind since I was a kid.
Special effects if done poorly can take people out of the movie and be a distraction.
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I think, based solely on the latest tv spots, that the CG is well enough done to not distract me. Perfect? Nah. But good enough.
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I have never gotten the hate for special effects. Maybe it’s just because I grew up with the original Star Trek and the fourth doctor from Doctor Who. Both of those shows taught me that if you have a really good story you can suspend your disbelief on the special effects. So that’s been my frame of mind since I was a kid.
Special effects if done poorly can take people out of the movie and be a distraction.
Flying fake vomit on strings didn’t take me out of the story.
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I have never gotten the hate for special effects. Maybe it’s just because I grew up with the original Star Trek and the fourth doctor from Doctor Who. Both of those shows taught me that if you have a really good story you can suspend your disbelief on the special effects. So that’s been my frame of mind since I was a kid.
Special effects if done poorly can take people out of the movie and be a distraction.
Flying fake vomit on strings didn’t take me out of the story.
That was like 80 years ago. Technology has improved a little since then.
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Insomnia meant I stayed up to watch the first episode! Really enjoyed it! Pretty much what I expected after all the trailers and previews. Looking forward to the next eight episodes!
-Marc.
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There’s a mid credit scene. Don’t miss it.
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There’s a mid credit scene. Don’t miss it.
Dang, thanks for the heads up.
First episode was fine. CGI was better than the trailers thankfully. Interested to see where it goes.
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First episode was patchy I thought. Tatiana was great and the CGI was fine, but I found the story pretty boring....and Hulk/Bruce felt off somehow. Also that final fight was so random and over so quickly, very odd. Enough to keep me watching but hoping for better going forwards.
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Unsurprisingly, the show is getting review-bombed at imdb, making it the lowest rated Marvel Disney+ show so far, even lower than Ms. Marvel was (which was similarly review-bombed). I guess the basement-dwelling neck-beards don't have anything else better to do today.
-Marc.
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Unsurprisingly, the show is getting review-bombed at imdb, making it the lowest rated Marvel Disney+ show so far, even lower than Ms. Marvel was (which was similarly review-bombed). I guess the basement-dwelling neck-beards don't have anything else better to do today.
-Marc.
Most of them won't have even watched, several.sad YouTubers telling their sheep followers to give it 1 outta 10 because it's woke (aka having a female lead).
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Unsurprisingly, the show is getting review-bombed at imdb, making it the lowest rated Marvel Disney+ show so far, even lower than Ms. Marvel was (which was similarly review-bombed). I guess the basement-dwelling neck-beards don't have anything else better to do today.
-Marc.
Most of them won't have even watched, several.sad YouTubers telling their sheep followers to give it 1 outta 10 because it's woke (aka having a female lead).
Real shame. I haven't seen it yet (hopefully tonight if I can stay awake) but it also detracts from people who may have legit criticism. I know one of my favorite youtuber guys didn't dig the show, and sadly had to go on a long thing about how it was the writing and nothing to do with female leads (he loved Ms. Marvel) which he shouldn't even have to do.
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Unsurprisingly, the show is getting review-bombed at imdb, making it the lowest rated Marvel Disney+ show so far, even lower than Ms. Marvel was (which was similarly review-bombed). I guess the basement-dwelling neck-beards don't have anything else better to do today.
-Marc.
Most of them won't have even watched, several.sad YouTubers telling their sheep followers to give it 1 outta 10 because it's woke (aka having a female lead).
Real shame. I haven't seen it yet (hopefully tonight if I can stay awake) but it also detracts from people who may have legit criticism. I know one of my favorite youtuber guys didn't dig the show, and sadly had to go on a long thing about how it was the writing and nothing to do with female leads (he loved Ms. Marvel) which he shouldn't even have to do.
Yeah. As I said I thought it was patchy, but how can you even review a whole show after only one episode anyway?!
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Unsurprisingly, the show is getting review-bombed at imdb, making it the lowest rated Marvel Disney+ show so far, even lower than Ms. Marvel was (which was similarly review-bombed). I guess the basement-dwelling neck-beards don't have anything else better to do today.
-Marc.
IMDB ratings are completely irrelevant these days, loads of things get review bombed. Shame as I feel like it's the sort of thing people used to pay attention to to gauge how well liked something is, but I don't think anyone pays any attention to it anymore. Still a useful site for the information within it, of course, just not the ratings.
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I really enjoyed the first episode. Yeah, the "feminine masculinity" agenda was a little too on the nose, with the on going saga of "make every female lead a Mary Sue", but I do really like the character and overall the first episode was very entertaining. They didn't completely bury Bruce which was a surprise. A little more struggle on her part wouldn't have hurt. Being a great lawyer doesn't mean she's great at everything. Tony Stark is a super genius, but maybe he's a terrible swimmer. I'm looking forward to the rest of the show. And the CGI was vastly improved on the final product.
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Really liked the first episode. Looking forward to the rest!
Hearing Tahani speak with an American accent will be very odd. I feel like some of these characters played by British actors don’t need to be American. She can be British. Dr. Strange can be British too.
I wonder how many people think Professor X was British before Patrick Stewart?
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Isn't Tatiana Canadian?
Either way I really enjoyed that first episode, light hearted fun is good by me.
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Really liked the first episode. Looking forward to the rest!
Hearing Tahani speak with an American accent will be very odd. I feel like some of these characters played by British actors don’t need to be American. She can be British. Dr. Strange can be British too.
I wonder how many people think Professor X was British before Patrick Stewart?
Just clicked on a random interview and she's definitely not British.
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Sorry. Tahani is Jameela Jamils character on the good place. She was the bad girl who showed up at the end to fight in court.
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Sorry. Tahani is Jameela Jamils character on the good place. She was the bad girl who showed up at the end to fight in court.
Gotcha. Not the first time I confused those names.
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Lol I misread that, yeah Jameela Tahani is British though I didn't pay attention to her accent in the brief scene.
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That end credit scene was hilarious!!
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Really fun introductory episode, anxious to see where this goes. Love her explanation of a women and rage.. So perfect.
Oh, and fuck review bombers, probably the same type of asshole who zoom bombs 12 step zoom meetings.
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That end credit scene was hilarious!!
(https://i.ibb.co/gJWzRyn/Captura-de-Pantalla-2022-08-19-a-la-s-07-42-01.png)
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I really enjoyed that first episode. The mid-credits scene made me literally laugh out loud.
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I'll reserve judgment until farther along in the series, but my initial impressions of this first episode were not very favorable. While it did some cool things, the writing overall seemed pretty shoddy and the humor was juvenile. But I have hope that it'll get better in context. Too difficult/unfair to form a strong opinion of a series after the initial episode.
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I liked it.
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Just watched it. Kind of a sister show to Deadpool. Breaking the fourth wall and potty humor. Tatiana is a rockstar, as always.
And yeah, surprise surprise, review bombing and complaints about poor writing. I wish I could write that poorly. I'd be rich.
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Just saw it.
The execution was better than the material. I’m afraid I have to side with those who are pointing out lazy story writing. The way she originally became hulk was DUMB. Like REALLY REALLY dumb! But everyone else involved did a pretty good job of turning it into something better.
Ironically (and maybe this is me just wanting to be contrary to trolls) I like the twist that she can control it better because she has to control her anger every day. I think it’s a good way to cover a lot of bases. You are, in effect, listening to what women are going through every day and you’re relating to it…and you are giving a (comic book logic) truly plausible reason why she can control her changes better.
It was a mixed bag. But I have learned to trust Marvel. I can think to 2 or 3 shows that started really iffy and half baked and ended up being delightful. So maybe it just needs a bit of development.
(…..there’s a breast joke in there somewhere, but I can’t bring myself to pull the trigger on it) :rollin :rollin :rollin
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There was no need to change the origin story. I don’t get it. Ruffalo was great at least.
I guess I’ll be that guy and say that I found the Steve Rogers stuff incredibly stupid and juvenile. What are we, 13 year old boys making jokes in the school bathroom? Who the hell cares whether Captain America was a virgin or not, what difference does it make? They devoted 2 scenes to something completely trivial. Could have used that time for Bruce explaining more about how he merged his 2 psyches.
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What I don’t like is that at least in this series it is starting to look like a comic, what do I mean? In the past films Tony and Steve have to deal with their choices, Tony is dead, and Steve is retired, and for some time Bruce had to deal with his blacked, injured and tiny arm but now, all of a sudden and without too much explanation other than Shehulk’s blood does wonder magic Bruce’s arm is healed.
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What I don’t like is that at least in this series it is starting to look like a comic, what do I mean? In the past films Tony and Steve have to deal with their choices, Tony is dead, and Steve is retired, and for some time Bruce had to deal with his blacked, injured and tiny arm but now, all of a sudden and without too much explanation other than Shehulk’s blood does wonder magic Bruce’s arm is healed.
I agree. It’s almost like the writers came up with the idea for a show that THEY wanted and then when they ran into the issue of established canon, they just did something really lazy to get the story where they want it because “who cares? It’s just a comic book show!“
That being said, beyond the lazy origins, I still think there’s a lot of potential for the show itself to be very well done. I like Tatyana, and I like the Jennifer Walters character enough to not give up yet.
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Ruffalo was great at least.
I disagree, actually. I think a lot of his scenes and dialog come across as the most forced.
I like Tatyana, and I like the Jennifer Walters character enough to not give up yet.
Same. I don't know Tatyana outside the one episode of this show, but she is killing it. I love how she can go between goofball and serious without one detracting from the other. And when she is serious, she comes across as serious and someone to be listened to. To contrast with Captain Marvel, although the legal world in CA of today is not nearly as male-dominated or as "macho" as the military in the '90s, the "woman in a man's world" trope is done much better here, IMO. I feel her struggles more than I felt Danvers's struggles, mainly just because Tatyana carries the message more clearly, more realistically, more sympathetically, and just overall better.
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You’ve probably already heard about this show even if you haven’t seen it, but she gained a lot of acting cred from the BBCA show Orphan Black. She played the main character who was actually a clone and there were something like 15 different versions of her. So she literally had to come up with a completely different character for every different clone that she played on the show. The way she pulled it off with absolutely no bleed over was jaw dropping. It’s like even though it was the exact same actress you could tell immediately which character she was playing without getting confused because she could switch things out so effortlessly. I think she did end up winning some awards for that role.
But yeah. The short version is that she’s amazing and my wife and I are big Orphan Black fans, and we were really excited when we found out she got this role.
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Interesting. I haven't heard of that show, but may have to check it out.
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I enjoyed it. Light fun. I'm not familiar with the actress but she's excellent, afaic.
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Interesting. I think Orphan Black even had its own thread for awhile back when it was on (2013-2017). And now as I was just checking those dates, I discovered that a sequel series is in the works (presumably a different cast) which is coming to AMC next year.
Just a bit surprised it didn’t end up on more radar’s back then.
EDIT - WOW!! It didn’t get a lot of traffic, but I didn’t even remember I was the one who actually started it! :rollin :rollin :rollin
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43895.msg1967204#msg1967204
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I've never seen Orphan Black but I've heard a lot of good things about it. Tatiana Maslany has been impeccably suited for the role of Jennifer Walters AND She-Hulk. Say what you will about scripts and dialog and directorial choices in the MCU, for the most part, their casting department (headed up by the incredible Sarah Haley Finn) has been pretty on-point since 2008. Very few times have I ever gone "That was a poor casting choice, they didn't embody the character in any way shape or form". I usually enjoy seeing how an actor will make a role their own but still infuse it with what is known about the source material, and in the case of She-Hulk, I think Tatiana has been nailing it so far, between episode 1 and the various trailers/clips that have been shown. I cannot wait to see how she shines in further episodes!
-Marc.
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Interesting. I haven't heard of that show, but may have to check it out.
Orphan Black was a fantastic show. I think you would like it, and Tatiana won a well-deserved Emmy Award for the cacophony of characters she played.
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There was no need to change the origin story. I don’t get it.
Her comics origin story always struck me as very contrived and silly. Here, at least, we don't have Bruce deliberately injecting hulk blood into someone else.
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Orphan Black's been on my list for a long time, I did watch the pilot sometime back and it was great, just never got round back to it.
Fans were constantly decrying her being snubbed for awards after every season and then finally she got one for the final season I believe.
Tatiana was also on a couple of episodes of Parks and Rec, she was great in that. She's talented and I liked her in the one episode we saw.
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There was no need to change the origin story. I don’t get it.
Her comics origin story always struck me as very contrived and silly. Here, at least, we don't have Bruce deliberately injecting hulk blood into someone else.
Agreed. This origin was better than the comics origin.
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Very much enjoyed episode 1!
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My only criticism is that they tried to make She Hulk too hot and not hulky enough. Maybe that's comic book accurate, but it felt like Hulk is over the top big and muscular and She Hulk grows a foot and a reasonable amount of muscle for a woman focused on building muscle. It makes no sense that she is able to keep up with Hulk in terms of strength.
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It's what the comics is. So no real change there.
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We watched Episode 1 tonight. I liked it.
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Enjoyed the first episode, thought it was fine. Though the court scene felt rushed and disconnected, but I guess as good way to set up the plot.
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My only criticism is that they tried to make She Hulk too hot and not hulky enough. Maybe that's comic book accurate, but it felt like Hulk is over the top big and muscular and She Hulk grows a foot and a reasonable amount of muscle for a woman focused on building muscle. It makes no sense that she is able to keep up with Hulk in terms of strength.
Well, she kept up with him in strength with the exercises he gave her in the show. But she isn't fully as strong as him.
Remember, he got a direct blast of gamma radiation, and she just got a little of his blood mixed into her bloodstream. It makes sense that her transformation wouldn't be quite as radical as his was.
And yeah, it's comic accurate.
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I agree with changing the origin story being fine. Her getting a blood transfusion doesn't inform her character in any possible way. So changing it simply helped the story move a bit quicker. At no point does it matter that she got it via transfusion in the comics, just that she got her cousin's blood in hers.
As far as her look goes, here's a few pics of her from the comics. While it has changed over the years, and she HAS been full huge bulking Hulk on occasions, these represent the most common designs for her.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f4/Shehulk1st.jpg)
(https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/content/prod/1x/shehulk001cov_bartel.jpg)
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51c+dcykcXL._SY346_.jpg)
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Glad to know her design is true to the comics. I get tired of female characters always needing to be attractive while their male counterparts don't, but at least it wasn't something modified for the show.
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Glad to know her design is true to the comics. I get tired of female characters always needing to be attractive while their male counterparts don't, but at least it wasn't something modified for the show.
I know, right? Shirtless Captain America and shirtless Thor have been outright vomit-inducing, and the outcry from women the world over who can't bear that level of ugly on the big screen has been overwhelming. Really glad they've stayed consistent and given us really unattractive dudes to play Hawkeye, Tony Stark, Dr. Strange, T'Challa, Peter Parker, Shang Chi, etc.
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(https://media.giphy.com/media/l2Jeg57hUupNpB1a8/giphy.gif)
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Glad to know her design is true to the comics. I get tired of female characters always needing to be attractive while their male counterparts don't, but at least it wasn't something modified for the show.
I know, right? Shirtless Captain America and shirtless Thor have been outright vomit-inducing, and the outcry from women the world over who can't bear that level of ugly on the big screen has been overwhelming. Really glad they've stayed consistent and given us really unattractive dudes to play Hawkeye, Tony Stark, Dr. Strange, T'Challa, Peter Parker, Shang Chi, etc.
:lol
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Actually, just thinking about it, prior to She-Hulk, I don't really think they've gone that route with female superheroes in the MCU much at all. I can't think of many that have been regularly portrayed as sexualized (exception being Black Widow) or having drop-dead gorgeous actresses (exceptions being, again, Black Widow, Pepper [super hero status because she was briefly powered in Iron Man III and, separately, fought in a suit in Endgame], and Monica [in WandaVision]). In contrast, for the male superheroes, it is regularly a thing.
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Interesting take. I would agree 100%. And furthermore I would even argue that even with their one and only “mega hot” female actress (the general consensus being ScarJo…I rarely see a lot of “ooo-ing and aahhhh-ing” over anyone but her) I would actually argue that they’ve mostly downplayed her sexuality unless it was something that drove the story. (Seducing someone for information…etc)
Whereas the guys are almost always given an “eye candy” scene.
This is just the MCU we’re talking though. And especially in comparison with other superhero/sci-fi/fantasy.
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This is just the MCU we’re talking though. And especially in comparison with other superhero/sci-fi/fantasy.
Yeah, I was referring to movies in general, not just the MCU.
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Anyway... back to the show. I was up early so I watched episode 2. I liked it. Not a whole lot of anything exciting. But setting the stage for bigger things to come.
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Anyway... back to the show. I was up early so I watched episode 2. I liked it. Not a whole lot of anything exciting. But setting the stage for bigger things to come.
On point.
There's a mid credit scene
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I think I heard every episode has a credit scene.
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Another enjoyable episode but I feel like a lot of it was used in trailers and promo videos, so I feel like I had seen much of it already. The "new" parts with her family were fun though, and Bruce's dialog about his past with Blonsky were hilarious and very meta. Good stuff!
-Marc.
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That was a really short episode. Fun watch for sure, it's I guess at this point more like casual watching with this show.
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Loving the fourth wall breaking, especially the 'HA!' when Bruce mentioned he was literally a totally different person. Gotta love self-deprecating humor from the MCU.
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Enjoying the show but is it just a bit too much - setting the stage? Both episodes so far felt very short and both felt like they just started getting going when they ended, this was particularly apparent with episode 2. Some nice moments but just not enough going on so far, hope it delivers on what it appears to be setting up.
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Interesting episode with some interesting dialogues. Liked it.
Enjoying the show but is it just a bit too much - setting the stage? Both episodes so far felt very short and both felt like they just started getting going when they ended, this was particularly apparent with episode 2. Some nice moments but just not enough going on so far, hope it delivers on what it appears to be setting up.
If I'm not mistaken, all episodes are short (30 mins or so), but we are getting 10 (Or is it 9?). We might have another episode setting up the stage.
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The length of the episode was silly. If the story of the episode only needs 22 minute fair enough, but nothing really happened in this episode, certainly nothing note worthy to grab the viewer - for a second episode that was just poor planning.
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The length of the episode was silly. If the story of the episode only needs 22 minute fair enough, but nothing really happened in this episode, certainly nothing note worthy to grab the viewer - for a second episode that was just poor planning.
Spoilers ahead!
We'll see where the story goes with The Abomination, but one line he said pretty much set up an entire movie from Phase 5. The Hulk jetting off to space was also interesting since it's clearly setting up something else. The last few seconds of the show told us when this story is taking place in the MCU timeline. Yes, I know those things are outside of the show itself but just saying that it had some important moments for the overall MCU.
For the show itself, I think it was meant to set up her new job, her embracing the She-Hulk label and her new identity as a super powered individual. I personally thought it did a good job at that.
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Yea. I think plenty happened in this episode. Not sure what people are expecting. It’s a much lighter show.
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Adami and I both agree on two things: (1) this episode was fine; and (2) Runaways is trash. So if there are two things in life I can be confident about, it's those.
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Adami and I both agree on two things: (1) this episode was fine; and (2) Runaways is trash. So if there are two things in life I can be confident about, it's those.
God dammit I had just gotten over The Runaways!
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Sorry, I'm just recently getting around to it, since it only recently showed up on D+. Midway through season 2, and I am hating it. I have shut it off "for good" several times, only to come back to it when I am bored and want something in the background.
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I tapped out halfway through S1. Managed to tolerate a few more episodes of that than I did the Inhumans.
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I think I’ve stated this before, but after all the horrible reviews of the Inhumans, I decided to watch it expecting to see something along the lines of Plan 9 from Outer Space. With my expectations being that low, I actually found it enjoyable.
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Same. It wasn't great, but it wasn't horrible either. I would put Inhumans on par with most of the Phase 4 films.
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Maybe I need to revisit it with fresh eyes.
On a second go I even found S1 of Iron Fist palatable. Barely.
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Did y'all catch this?
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Yes
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Did y'all catch this?
(https://tvline.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/
she-hulk-wolverine-easter-egg-2.jpeg)
Catch what?
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Did y'all catch this?
Wtf where was that in the episode?
(https://tvline.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/she-hulk-wolverine-easter-egg-2.jpeg)
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I liked episode 2.
We'll see how it goes from here.
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Wtf where was that in the episode?
On her computer screen when she was looking for jobs.
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I did not catch it during the episode at all. Glad someone did!
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The length of the episode was silly. If the story of the episode only needs 22 minute fair enough, but nothing really happened in this episode, certainly nothing note worthy to grab the viewer - for a second episode that was just poor planning.
Spoilers ahead!
We'll see where the story goes with The Abomination, but one line he said pretty much set up an entire movie from Phase 5. The Hulk jetting off to space was also interesting since it's clearly setting up something else. The last few seconds of the show told us when this story is taking place in the MCU timeline. Yes, I know those things are outside of the show itself but just saying that it had some important moments for the overall MCU.
For the show itself, I think it was meant to set up her new job, her embracing the She-Hulk label and her new identity as a super powered individual. I personally thought it did a good job at that.
Problem isn't so much nothing happen, it's there is no character journey for it. The end of episode one ended with her having to show the world she is She-Hulk, them she loses her job, gets a new job, the new job comes with a condition, then her first case is defending Abomination. All this in 20 minutes - it's not told as a story with any impact on Jens character or emotions - it's just bullet point writing at its worst, like something a kid would write...then this happens, then this happens etc, etc.
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The length of the episode was silly. If the story of the episode only needs 22 minute fair enough, but nothing really happened in this episode, certainly nothing note worthy to grab the viewer - for a second episode that was just poor planning.
Spoilers ahead!
We'll see where the story goes with The Abomination, but one line he said pretty much set up an entire movie from Phase 5. The Hulk jetting off to space was also interesting since it's clearly setting up something else. The last few seconds of the show told us when this story is taking place in the MCU timeline. Yes, I know those things are outside of the show itself but just saying that it had some important moments for the overall MCU.
For the show itself, I think it was meant to set up her new job, her embracing the She-Hulk label and her new identity as a super powered individual. I personally thought it did a good job at that.
Problem isn't so much nothing happen, it's there is no character journey for it. The end of episode one ended with her having to show the world she is She-Hulk, them she loses her job, gets a new job, the new job comes with a condition, then her first case is defending Abomination. All this in 20 minutes - it's not told as a story with any impact on Jens character or emotions - it's just bullet point writing at its worst, like something a kid would write...then this happens, then this happens etc, etc.
I disagree entirely. I guess either you have particular types of storytelling that you do and don't like which this doesn't fit, or you're just going in looking for things to dislike. Either way, the episode clearly dealt with Jen's discomfort with her situation. Just because an episode is short doesn't mean it doesn't have meaningful story or character development, there are a bunch of sitcoms with 20 minute episodes like that (Brooklyn Nine-Nine being one that stands out).
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The length of the episode was silly. If the story of the episode only needs 22 minute fair enough, but nothing really happened in this episode, certainly nothing note worthy to grab the viewer - for a second episode that was just poor planning.
Spoilers ahead!
We'll see where the story goes with The Abomination, but one line he said pretty much set up an entire movie from Phase 5. The Hulk jetting off to space was also interesting since it's clearly setting up something else. The last few seconds of the show told us when this story is taking place in the MCU timeline. Yes, I know those things are outside of the show itself but just saying that it had some important moments for the overall MCU.
For the show itself, I think it was meant to set up her new job, her embracing the She-Hulk label and her new identity as a super powered individual. I personally thought it did a good job at that.
Problem isn't so much nothing happen, it's there is no character journey for it. The end of episode one ended with her having to show the world she is She-Hulk, them she loses her job, gets a new job, the new job comes with a condition, then her first case is defending Abomination. All this in 20 minutes - it's not told as a story with any impact on Jens character or emotions - it's just bullet point writing at its worst, like something a kid would write...then this happens, then this happens etc, etc.
I disagree entirely. I guess either you have particular types of storytelling that you do and don't like which this doesn't fit, or you're just going in looking for things to dislike. Either way, the episode clearly dealt with Jen's discomfort with her situation. Just because an episode is short doesn't mean it doesn't have meaningful story or character development, there are a bunch of sitcoms with 20 minute episodes like that (Brooklyn Nine-Nine being one that stands out).
I've been the guy defending phase 4 in the main MCU thread!
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I liked the episode a lot.
Hulk in the spaceship might be the MCU Introduction of Skaar, Hulk's Son? And maybe, only MAYBE in the near future we will see an MCU adaptation of the World War Hulk.
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Just watched episode 3. It was another fun one! Definitely great to see more Blonsky, and it looks like this was another episode with bits from a lot of trailers and clips, though unless a character returns later, it looks like there's been some lines/scenes that were cut.
Either way, I really like the vibe we're getting from this show, and all the cameos and Easter eggs are fun to catch. The scene before the credits has me quite curious as to what they're up to though, and who they're working for.
-Marc.
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The scene before the credits has me quite curious as to what they're up to though, and who they're working for.
Indeed. Seems like it's setting up a main antagonist story arc.
Also the mid-credits scene was hilarious.
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Fun episode. There's a very tiny part that's craving a little drama, but most of me is digging the lighthearted feel. The douche bag lawyer is fucking priceless. :lol
Also the mid-credits scene was hilarious.
Totally
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Two thoughts:
Wong deserves to be more than just a cameo character.
Who the eff is Megan Thee Stallion?
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Two thoughts:
Wong deserves to be more than just a cameo character.
Who the eff is Megan Thee Stallion?
Flavor of the week pop star. Won some Grammys. Will probably be forgotten in a couple years.
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Just awful, probably the worst thing Marvel have ever done - including Hasslehoff's Nic Fury.
I guess this was the episode they decided to go comedy, yet they missed by a mile - the elf, the pen pals, Megan all just completely embarrassing. Tatiana is so much better than this shite.
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I guess this was the episode they decided to go comedy
Not sure I understand this. The whole show has been a sitcom from the start.
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I guess this was the episode they decided to go comedy
Not sure I understand this. The whole show has been a sitcom from the start.
Yeah, the comedy has been there all along. It missed more than it hit for me on this episode though. But it was still enjoyable.
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Just awful, probably the worst thing Marvel have ever done - including Hasslehoff's Nic Fury.
I guess this was the episode they decided to go comedy, yet they missed by a mile - the elf, the pen pals, Megan all just completely embarrassing. Tatiana is so much better than this shite.
Nah, that's an exaggeration. It's not that bad.
That said, it definitely isn't wowing me either so far. Definitely my least favorite of the live action MCU D+ shows so far. I get that they are going for something more lighthearted, and in a specific genre that is different than the typical MCU. But it just isn't done particularly well, IMO.
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I guess this was the episode they decided to go comedy
Not sure I understand this. The whole show has been a sitcom from the start.
The first two episode although badly written still felt close enough to the MCU (all be it the more light-hearted side). This latest episode felt completely removed from the MCU as it was basically a comedy, complete with wacky characters and situations that only exist in broad comedies.
The show can get better, but I'm struggling to get how they can include Charlie Cox Daredevil in this show. It's not just the tone being completely different - DD had some amazing action sequence, She- Hulks Choreography is as sloppy as it's writing, based on that fight at the end of this episode.
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Enjoyed the episode.
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I did enjoy it more than Soupytwist did, but I’m starting to see his point a bit.
I’m getting to the point where the whimsy is starting to wear on me a bit and I’m wanting to see how this fits into the bigger story.
I still am 100% rooted in the belief that all of these smaller threads are going to come together and make the whole greater than the sum of its parts by the time we get to The Secret Wars
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Really enjoying this so far
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I did enjoy it more than Soupytwist did, but I’m starting to see his point a bit.
I’m getting to the point where the whimsy is starting to wear on me a bit and I’m wanting to see how this fits into the bigger story.
I still am 100% rooted in the belief that all of these smaller threads are going to come together and make the whole greater than the sum of its parts by the time we get to The Secret Wars
I actually think it'll all tie in together by Thunderbolts
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I'm sure She Hulk will play a role in future Avengers movies. I don't need every element of these episodes to play into Kang stuff or Secret Wars. This can just be her stuff and when she shows up in the movies, we have a much better idea of who she is.
Also looking forward to how she'll appear in the movies with a bigger budget for her CGI.
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It's her arch. It should be about her origins. All that stuff will tie in later.
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I sometimes think MCU movies/shows can be hurt with the need for it all to tie in to something bigger. It's OK to let a story just be a story. Plus that way if it doesn't pan out there's no need for the characters to continue (e.g. The Eternals) for the sake of the grand overarching story.
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People have been complaining that they don't tie in much so I don't understand your thought process.
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People have been complaining that they don't tie in much so I don't understand your thought process.
I'm saying it's OK they don't tie in much.
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Ah. Misread that. Yeah. I think it should be that way early on.
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Watched up to ep 3 now. I think it's a good, likable show so far. Some of the references didn't always land for me, but hey. Looking forward to more.
The effects are pretty good, too.
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The effects are pretty good, too.
I thought She-Hulk herself wasn't as good in Episode 3 as she was in the previous episodes. But overall I've been impressed.
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Episode 4 might be my favorite so far, and the VFX for She-Hulk have gotten better, at least IMO.
Really enjoyed the action set piece we got, and all the 4th wall breaks in this episode were fantastic.
-Marc.
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That episode was frikkin hilarious
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Another fine episode. I'm thinking this show may not get beyond fine for me.
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Fun episode. Really dug Madisynn despite hating that type of person.
That said, I think they need to stick to the episodic format and maybe ditch some of these lingering plot lines that don't seem to be going anywhere yet. Titania is just lingering and the wrecking crew is a subplot we probably won't need. They seem to be doing best at what the show was supposed to be, a funny sitcom about a super hero lawyer, so I hope they continue to allow that room to breathe.
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I'm just really glad I finally decided to watch through The Sopranos in the last year.
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:lol
Wonger!!!
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I'm sad that I laughed at and enjoyed that post more than anything in this show so far.
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Episode 4 was better, at least it had a plot - with a beginning and end. Although Wong going to a lawyer is just completely crap. I know comedy is subjective and all so it's about taste, but God the jokes in this show are so broad Sandler would probably reject them, mostly consists of one note dumb characters acting so far removed from what a real human beings is, it just makes it painful to watch.
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Episode 4 was better, at least it had a plot - with a beginning and end. Although Wong going to a lawyer is just completely crap. I know comedy is subjective and all so it's about taste, but God the jokes in this show are so broad Sandler would probably reject them, mostly consists of one note dumb characters acting so far removed from what a real human beings is, it just makes it painful to watch.
Hey man, I gave up on Picard. I believe in your ability to not watch what is painful to watch.
I'm digging the show a lot but it's far from perfect or even great.
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Episode 4 was better, at least it had a plot - with a beginning and end. Although Wong going to a lawyer is just completely crap. I know comedy is subjective and all so it's about taste, but God the jokes in this show are so broad Sandler would probably reject them, mostly consists of one note dumb characters acting so far removed from what a real human beings is, it just makes it painful to watch.
Hey man, I gave up on Picard. I believe in your ability to not watch what is painful to watch.
Yeah I know. But I'm in the MCU till the end - and this is really the first thing they've put out I've disliked. Sorry but you'll have to put up with me being a miserable son of bitch on here, unless it grows on me - trust me I want to like it, I'm not hating for hates sake here!
And we both know you'll go back to Picard in the end ;) ;D
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It’s all true!
I feel the same, or worried at least, about Werewolf by night. Not at all looking forward to it but I’m in till the end. So I’ll watch it.
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So no mid-credit scene in episode 5? This episode felt oddly short for me, felt like it could've gone on for a while longer.
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So no mid-credit scene in episode 5? This episode felt oddly short for me, felt like it could've gone on for a while longer.
Yeah it felt quick, but I dont think it could've gone any longer anyway. This felt like an interlude episode, and there is some obvious set-up for things to come. Not bad, but not the best one so far as we reach the halfway point of the series.
-Marc.
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BRB, have to order some Avongers merch
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I have to admit that part of the issue I have with this show is that I hate shows that portray being in a courtroom in a way that is NOTHING whatsoever like actually being in a courtroom. Artistic license is one thing, but completely mispresenting the judicial process is another altogether. Anyway...
Aside from that, bad writing and overall dumbness still plague this show and keep it from being good, IMO.
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I have to admit that part of the issue I have with this show is that I hate shows that portray being in a courtroom in a way that is NOTHING whatsoever like actually being in a courtroom. Artistic license is one thing, but completely mispresenting the judicial process is another altogether. Anyway...
Aside from that, bad writing and overall dumbness still plague this show and keep it from being good, IMO.
I feel the same about showing therapy. I had to stop myself from giving up on Mad About You anytime there was a therapy scene.
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I have to admit that part of the issue I have with this show is that I hate shows that portray being in a courtroom in a way that is NOTHING whatsoever like actually being in a courtroom. Artistic license is one thing, but completely mispresenting the judicial process is another altogether. Anyway...
Aside from that, bad writing and overall dumbness still plague this show and keep it from being good, IMO.
I'm not even a lawyer and the legal scenes drive me crazy. I only have one courtroom experience as a juror and it was far more boring than TV shows it to be.
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Well after last week's mild improvement in the fact that that episode at least had a plot, back to utter shite this week. Completely agree the court scenes are so removed from any sort of reality it's painful. And yet more silly one-note caricatures (the fashion designer...) Instead of anything resembling a real person.
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It's weird. I read all of your guy's complaints and criticisms and.....I can't argue with much of it. I totally see where most of it is coming from and don't disagree. And yet...I'm still really enjoying the show.
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It's weird. I read all of your guy's complaints and criticisms and.....I can't argue with much of it. I totally see where most of it is coming from and don't disagree. And yet...I'm still really enjoying the show.
It's funny - people who enjoy it can see why some folks don't, but the folks who don't enjoy cannot seem to see why folks could like it (at least from the discourse I've seen online). It's like haters are only fueled by their need to hate on something without realizing folks can actually like a thing, especially when comedy, which is VERY subjective, is involved.
-Marc.
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Well after last week's mild improvement in the fact that that episode at least had a plot, back to utter shite this week. Completely agree the court scenes are so removed from any sort of reality it's painful. And yet more silly one-note caricatures (the fashion designer...) Instead of anything resembling a real person.
Agree.
I thought this was a good show from the first couple of eps but now I am hating it. If some are enjoying it fine with me, but man, the comedy is stupid, the scenes in the courtroom are stupid, it is discouraging that the MCU started with Iron Man beating the shit out of the bad guys and not we have She Hulk twearking. It's is just too much.
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I have to admit that part of the issue I have with this show is that I hate shows that portray being in a courtroom in a way that is NOTHING whatsoever like actually being in a courtroom. Artistic license is one thing, but completely mispresenting the judicial process is another altogether. Anyway...
Aside from that, bad writing and overall dumbness still plague this show and keep it from being good, IMO.
Television has been missing the mark by miles on 12 step meetings for ages...as well as kitchen work, though the new series The Bear got about as close as one can to capturing the anxiety involved in kitchen work. That shit made me miss sleep from triggering my ptsd :lol
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Well after last week's mild improvement in the fact that that episode at least had a plot, back to utter shite this week. Completely agree the court scenes are so removed from any sort of reality it's painful. And yet more silly one-note caricatures (the fashion designer...) Instead of anything resembling a real person.
Agree.
I thought this was a good show from the first couple of eps but now I am hating it. If some are enjoying it fine with me, but man, the comedy is stupid, the scenes in the courtroom are stupid, it is discouraging that the MCU started with Iron Man beating the shit out of the bad guys and not we have She Hulk twearking. It's is just too much.
Why is She-Hulk twerking in a post-credits scene any worse than the Avengers sitting around in their full getup eating schwarma in a post-credits scene? Or Star-Lord doing a goofy dance to save the day in the actual climax of the first Guardians film?
I'm fine with people disliking the show but some of the whining is just silly.
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I have to admit that part of the issue I have with this show is that I hate shows that portray being in a courtroom in a way that is NOTHING whatsoever like actually being in a courtroom. Artistic license is one thing, but completely mispresenting the judicial process is another altogether. Anyway...
Aside from that, bad writing and overall dumbness still plague this show and keep it from being good, IMO.
Television has been missing the mark by miles on 12 step meetings for ages...as well as kitchen work, though the new series The Bear got about as close as one can to capturing the anxiety involved in kitchen work. That shit made me miss sleep from triggering my ptsd :lol
I dunno man. I’ve seen Hells Kitchen. That’s how a kitchen operates, right?
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Well after last week's mild improvement in the fact that that episode at least had a plot, back to utter shite this week. Completely agree the court scenes are so removed from any sort of reality it's painful. And yet more silly one-note caricatures (the fashion designer...) Instead of anything resembling a real person.
Agree.
I thought this was a good show from the first couple of eps but now I am hating it. If some are enjoying it fine with me, but man, the comedy is stupid, the scenes in the courtroom are stupid, it is discouraging that the MCU started with Iron Man beating the shit out of the bad guys and not we have She Hulk twearking. It's is just too much.
Why is She-Hulk twerking in a post-credits scene any worse than the Avengers sitting around in their full getup eating schwarma in a post-credits scene? Or Star-Lord doing a goofy dance to save the day in the actual climax of the first Guardians film?
I'm fine with people disliking the show but some of the whining is just silly.
The dance is fine as it's perfectly in character for the way they've shown and built the Starlord over the course of the film, and it's a pretty good payoff for him. It's a hero moment born from desperation, bravery and a healthy dose of blind luck - which pretty much sums him up.
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She-Hulk is a goofy sitcom that keeps me entertained every week. I'm not comparing it to top their Marvel movies because that would be ridiculous. This episode was silly like every other episode. Nothing laugh out loud, but it keeps my attention for 22 minutes. The show also shouldn't be compared to the more serious D+ shows that have a longer run time. At least they didn't include a laugh track.
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I have to admit that part of the issue I have with this show is that I hate shows that portray being in a courtroom in a way that is NOTHING whatsoever like actually being in a courtroom. Artistic license is one thing, but completely mispresenting the judicial process is another altogether. Anyway...
Aside from that, bad writing and overall dumbness still plague this show and keep it from being good, IMO.
Television has been missing the mark by miles on 12 step meetings for ages...as well as kitchen work, though the new series The Bear got about as close as one can to capturing the anxiety involved in kitchen work. That shit made me miss sleep from triggering my ptsd :lol
:lol I don't doubt it. But at least the typical kitchen scenes actually involve people cooking. The analogy to the courtroom stuff in She Hulk would be if a kitchen scene showed a group of guys sitting around a card table in a kitchen playing poker, and trying to portray them using kitchen jargon as meaning that they were somehow cooking food.
is She-Hulk twerking in a post-credits scene any worse than the Avengers sitting around in their full getup eating schwarma in a post-credits scene? Or Star-Lord doing a goofy dance to save the day in the actual climax of the first Guardians film?
Yes. MUCH worse. As Soupy pointed out, the two things you mention are in character and fit not only the characters, butt the plot as well. And they have the added bonus that they aren't crass and stupid.
But aside from that, the bigger issue is that if anyone has any issues with ANY of those, the huge difference is that in Avengers and Guardians, you have great movies with arguably stupid scenes that ultimately don't drag the movies down. In She Hulk, you have an arguably stupid scene in a sea of stupid rather than just an arguable anomaly.
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I have to admit that part of the issue I have with this show is that I hate shows that portray being in a courtroom in a way that is NOTHING whatsoever like actually being in a courtroom. Artistic license is one thing, but completely mispresenting the judicial process is another altogether. Anyway...
Aside from that, bad writing and overall dumbness still plague this show and keep it from being good, IMO.
Television has been missing the mark by miles on 12 step meetings for ages...as well as kitchen work, though the new series The Bear got about as close as one can to capturing the anxiety involved in kitchen work. That shit made me miss sleep from triggering my ptsd :lol
I dunno man. I’ve seen Hells Kitchen. That’s how a kitchen operates, right?
Not traumatic enough
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I have to admit that part of the issue I have with this show is that I hate shows that portray being in a courtroom in a way that is NOTHING whatsoever like actually being in a courtroom. Artistic license is one thing, but completely mispresenting the judicial process is another altogether. Anyway...
Aside from that, bad writing and overall dumbness still plague this show and keep it from being good, IMO.
Television has been missing the mark by miles on 12 step meetings for ages...as well as kitchen work, though the new series The Bear got about as close as one can to capturing the anxiety involved in kitchen work. That shit made me miss sleep from triggering my ptsd :lol
:lol I don't doubt it. But at least the typical kitchen scenes actually involve people cooking. The analogy to the courtroom stuff in She Hulk would be if a kitchen scene showed a group of guys sitting around a card table in a kitchen playing poker, and trying to portray them using kitchen jargon as meaning that they were somehow cooking food.
is She-Hulk twerking in a post-credits scene any worse than the Avengers sitting around in their full getup eating schwarma in a post-credits scene? Or Star-Lord doing a goofy dance to save the day in the actual climax of the first Guardians film?
Yes. MUCH worse. As Soupy pointed out, the two things you mention are in character and fit not only the characters, butt the plot as well. And they have the added bonus that they aren't crass and stupid.
But aside from that, the bigger issue is that if anyone has any issues with ANY of those, the huge difference is that in Avengers and Guardians, you have great movies with arguably stupid scenes that ultimately don't drag the movies down. In She Hulk, you have an arguably stupid scene in a sea of stupid rather than just an arguable anomaly.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Glad somebody caught that. :biggrin:
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My wife and I had to stop watching . . . what a disappointment. And what is supposed to be so great about this actress?
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My wife and I had to stop watching . . . what a disappointment. And what is supposed to be so great about this actress?
She’s not being given anything here.
PLEASE watch Orphan Black! That will answer your question. She’s freaking brilliant
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My wife and I had to stop watching . . . what a disappointment. And what is supposed to be so great about this actress?
She’s not being given anything here.
PLEASE watch Orphan Black! That will answer your question. She’s freaking brilliant
Yeah, she's tremen2in that show. While I'm still enjoying She Hulk, it's definitely thin on substance so far.
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Well, it was ALWAYS going to be thin on substance, given the material on which it's based.
You guys judge it however you want to. But comparing it to Iron Man doesn't make any sense to me, because it isn't REMOTELY trying to do what Iron Man did. As far as I can tell, it's accomplishing exactly what it set out to do, and what that thing is, is something that many of you either just don't like in the first place, or perhaps were/under a misunderstanding of what the show would be.
The show is pretty much exactly what I thought it would be, and I'm thrilled about it.
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I have to disagree with almost all of that. First off, thin on substance is somewhat to be expected. So glaringly thin on substance that the show so starkly diverges from the quality of the rest of the MCU as to feel like it isn't even part of the MCU is a different matter. And second, thin on substance does not excuse consistently poor writing. Of course, neither of those points says anything about whether you can like it or be thrilled by it. But they should educate you as to why the majority of the viewership reasonably does not seem to feel the way you do.
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I have to disagree with almost all of that. First off, thin on substance is somewhat to be expected. So glaringly thin on substance that the show so starkly diverges from the quality of the rest of the MCU as to feel like it isn't even part of the MCU is a different matter. And second, thin on substance does not excuse consistently poor writing. Of course, neither of those points says anything about whether you can like it or be thrilled by it. But they should educate you as to why the majority of the viewership reasonably does not seem to feel the way you do.
I think I'm already educated about why many people don't feel the way I do.
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I should reiterate, I am thoroughly enjoying the show, and by thin on substance, I mean that in the same way I'd say that about any sitcom. It's in a sitcom's nature to be thin on substance.
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Problem is sitcoms, or at least the best one imo generally have jokes. The humour in She-Hulk is just broad caricatures generally being stupid. Humour is subjective though and I get some will like this style, but it's not for me. The second problem with this style is you can't really add and real drama when you've regressed most of your cast to simple one note punchlines.
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Nah, the show is plainly bad, simple as that.
Say what you want, but this is also setting up some upcoming shows and movies, and it shouldn’t be that poorly written, a sitcom? Sure bring Wanda Vision type of sitcom but with same level of writing, I know for some WV wasn’t perfect, but it was surely more memorable than this, heck, even Ms Marvel was more entertaining than this.
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Personally, my only complaint is I wish the episodes were longer. I find it quite funny. Much more so than most "comedies" of the last decade or two. As a long-time comics reader, I have no problem with the tone of one series being different from that of others, as that is quite common in comics.
Problem is sitcoms, or at least the best one imo generally have jokes. The humour in She-Hulk is just broad caricatures generally being stupid. Humour is subjective though and I get some will like this style, but it's not for me. The second problem with this style is you can't really add and real drama when you've regressed most of your cast to simple one note punchlines.
You're allowed to stop watching it. Really. Kevin Feige will not hunt you down. I promise. You can watch a quick YouTube recap later, if it turns out to be important for future plot developments.
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Nah, the show is plainly bad, simple as that.
Say what you want, but this is also setting up some upcoming shows and movies, and it shouldn’t be that poorly written, a sitcom? Sure bring Wanda Vision type of sitcom but with same level of writing, I know for some WV wasn’t perfect, but it was surely more memorable than this, heck, even Ms Marvel was more entertaining than this.
You’re referring to to those other shows as they weren’t both amazing.
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I think this show is pretty successful at what it's trying to be: a dumb fun lawyer sitcom. Some of the jokes fall flat for me, but it's amusing enough. I don't think it is intended to be anything more than what it is. No worries if a female driven lawyer comedy isn't your cup of tea. It's not really mine either, but I'm sticking with it because it's the MCU and I want to see how it all ties together.
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I'm in favor of generally labeling something a "success" if it achieves what it set out to achieve, and of not unfairly nitpicking something by casting it as something it's not. But here, I just don't think it matters that it does what it sets out to do. The complaint is that, regardless, it just isn't very good, that's all.
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I think this show is pretty successful at what it's trying to be: a dumb fun lawyer sitcom. Some of the jokes fall flat for me, but it's amusing enough. I don't think it is intended to be anything more than what it is. No worries if a female driven lawyer comedy isn't your cup of tea. It's not really mine either, but I'm sticking with it because it's the MCU and I want to see how it all ties together.
And the bolder part is THE ONLY reason why I am coming back to it.
jammingdude, to me WV was excellent! I loved it from start to finish, quite the contrary MsMarvel and the lackluster SheHulk show
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This was a fun, almost filler-ish episode. The A-story with Jen continuing to wrestle between being Jen and She-Hulk is a fascinating take on the dual-identity dilemma, especially being at an event like a wedding. I wonder if that's the last we will see of Titania? For some fans I'm sure the answer is "hopefully". :lol
The B-story introduces a fun new powered individual who has become entangled in some rather devious situations. Fun to see more Mallory and Nikki though! I wonder if, by the end of the season, the whole dept of lawyers will have to team up on some big case? They really seem to be building up their professional relationships each episode, so it feels like there should be a payoff by the end.
Not a bad episode, and I think I enjoyed it a bit more than the last one. Hard to believe there are only three more left!
-Marc.
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It's not often in TV that the lead character actually apologises in advance for the episode we're about to watch but... I appreciated that about it at least.
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Still not completely taken with this show, but it's not bad so I'm still watching. Someone upthread pointed out that this is supposed to be a sitcom, which hadn't occurred to me. I mean, most Marvel stuff has a mix of humor and drama and everything else, but if they'd gone full comedy with this, maybe I was "watching it wrong" and thus not enjoying it.
So I watched the first ten minutes or so with that in mind and still don't think I laughed once, although to be fair I only laugh once or twice when I watch sitcoms. The whole concept of "these people are so stupid, isn't it funny?" just doesn't work for me. Who thought it would be a good idea for her to go to a wedding as "Shulky"? Obviously you do not seek to upstage the bride, ever. I've never been a bridesmaid and I could have told you that. Getting relegated to clean-up duty? And she does it? Then the other girls start having her doing shit like iron the guys' shirts? I asked Mrs. Orbert if any of this was actually supposed to be funny, and she had no answer.
I'm glad she hit it off with someone who seemed as awkward and out of place as her. I'm glad she was "forced" to Hulk out and kick Titania's ass, and I'm glad the bride was drunk and ultimately thought it was cool that She-Hulk was at her wedding. But getting to that point was painful.
Side note: The episode title "Just Jen" was interesting. I mean, it was totally appropriate for the show, but weird because it kept reminding me of someone.
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^Yeah, all of that. Except maybe the part about the bride being drunk. It has been SO long since I've even been at a wedding that had alcohol at all (much less been around people who drink) that I forgot that was even a thing. But there was so much about the wedding that was so absurdly disgusting in the way people were behaving that made it so unrealistic as to take me even farther out of the moment. Who would even think it was a good idea to have a wedding like that?
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I keep torturing myself watching this show, oh boy.
I'll keep watching ONLY to have the background of whatever is next in the MCU. But it is sad to see a franchise that I love dearly ruining this shows. :tdwn
The jokes are so bad that I haven't seen my wife or older kid with half a laugh NOTHING.
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I suspect the hidden evil guy at the end of the episode who making the needle is the guy from the dating site who asked questions about how strong She-Hulks skin is, maybe to obvious.
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Who would even think it was a good idea to have a wedding like that?
You would be surprised.
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I suspect the hidden evil guy at the end of the episode who making the needle is the guy from the dating site who asked questions about how strong She-Hulks skin is, maybe to obvious.
They referenced the failed earlier attempt to get some of her blood in the "Previously on..." but there wasn't a clear follow-up in the episode. My guess is that the guy from the wedding is part of the group trying to get her blood. Which is too bad because she could use a win right about now, and it's just gonna get uglier for her.
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Who would even think it was a good idea to have a wedding like that?
You would be surprised.
Yeah, spend a little time on the AITA sub-reddit and you'll learn about a lot of shitty wedding behavior that goes on.
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Count me in to the group that doesn't really find this show funny at all. I get the weird sense that the writers know it's not really funny, but they've just embraced the stupid sitcom tropes anyway. Despite that, I find the main character likeable and I find myself sort of caring about what happens to her. I'll keep watching, but I don't really have high hopes for this one.
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I have to admit that part of the issue I have with this show is that I hate shows that portray being in a courtroom in a way that is NOTHING whatsoever like actually being in a courtroom.
Me, a physicist:
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Are you telling me that The Big Bang Theory isn't completely accurate?!!?!?
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You mean the show or theory?
Either way: yes.
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You mean the show or theory?
Either way: yes.
It’s also a theory?!
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Episode 7 was pretty fun! I enjoyed seeing Blonsky's retreat and all those crazy characters there, and seeing Jen work through her issues gives her some development towards reaching a balance between being Jen and She-Hulk.
Only two episodes left! Hard to believe it's almost over!
-Marc.
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Episode 7 was pretty fun! I enjoyed seeing Blonsky's retreat and all those crazy characters there, and seeing Jen work through her issues gives her some development towards reaching a balance between being Jen and She-Hulk.
Only two episodes left! Hard to believe it's almost over!
-Marc.
Glad to know*
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I loled at "ceremonial sweat yurt". :lol
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Okay, that was entertaining. I think I laughed more this episode than in the last two or three altogether. Blonsky's spiritual retreat was not just a ruse to keep him out of prison or whatever; it was a real thing with people actually achieving some kind of... something. I don't know. It was completely absurd, but I guess I managed to find it funny instead of just dumb. Tim Roth sold me. What a bizarre episode, but fun.
Too bad about Josh. We knew he was too good to be true. Played that long con, but as far as Jen knows, he's just a douchebag who ghosted her after finally getting to bang her, and that's gotta suck.
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He needs to get what comes due. Plus who is he working for?
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He needs to get what comes due. Plus who is he working for?
Right, who is HULKKING?
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I KNOW!! Bring the knowledge on!
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I agree that was one of the better episodes
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I really enjoyed it. Though I was disappointed that the obvious bad guy was the obvious bad guy, and also that Jen was next to a dude who was hired to steal her blood and NEVER ASKED HIM WHY OR WHO HE WORKED FOR!
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This was the episode that broke me, I came close last week with the wedding - but this was just to much. Survived till the scene where the reformed villians therapy session for She-Jen, the point where all those shitty utterly unfunny characters were dancing and chanting about deleting the boyfriends name from her phone I just couldn't take it anymore.
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I haven't watch the new ep, and won't do it, I'll keep reading the spoilers here, if something goods come up I'll watch, couldn't take it anymore since last week ep
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I really enjoyed it. Though I was disappointed that the obvious bad guy was the obvious bad guy, and also that Jen was next to a dude who was hired to steal her blood and NEVER ASKED HIM WHY OR WHO HE WORKED FOR!
"Who is your daddy, and what does he do?"
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What's your name? Who's your daddy? Is he rich like me?
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This was the episode that broke me, I came close last week with the wedding - but this was just to much. Survived till the scene where the reformed villians therapy session for She-Jen, the point where all those shitty utterly unfunny characters were dancing and chanting about deleting the boyfriends name from her phone I just couldn't take it anymore.
So, for the record, I found all of that "unfunny" stuff to be very funny indeed. On the other hand, I don't like a lot of more modern comedy (like The Office, or Judd Apatow movies), so whatever.
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Funny is definitely subjective... Personally I found Seinfeld and Friends to be boring af. To each their own.
This show is middle of the road funny for me.
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This was the episode that broke me, I came close last week with the wedding - but this was just to much. Survived till the scene where the reformed villians therapy session for She-Jen, the point where all those shitty utterly unfunny characters were dancing and chanting about deleting the boyfriends name from her phone I just couldn't take it anymore.
I thought it was the best episode since the first one. *shrugs*
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This was the episode that broke me, I came close last week with the wedding - but this was just to much. Survived till the scene where the reformed villians therapy session for She-Jen, the point where all those shitty utterly unfunny characters were dancing and chanting about deleting the boyfriends name from her phone I just couldn't take it anymore.
So, for the record, I found all of that "unfunny" stuff to be very funny indeed. On the other hand, I don't like a lot of more modern comedy (like The Office, or Judd Apatow movies), so whatever.
I've never liked The Office (the UK version, never seen the US one) and I'm pretty sure my only experience with Apatow is watching about half of 40 Year Old Virgin - I didn't like what I saw.
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This was the episode that broke me, I came close last week with the wedding - but this was just to much. Survived till the scene where the reformed villians therapy session for She-Jen, the point where all those shitty utterly unfunny characters were dancing and chanting about deleting the boyfriends name from her phone I just couldn't take it anymore.
So, for the record, I found all of that "unfunny" stuff to be very funny indeed. On the other hand, I don't like a lot of more modern comedy (like The Office, or Judd Apatow movies), so whatever.
I've never liked The Office (the UK version, never seen the US one) and I'm pretty sure my only experience with Apatow is watching about half of 40 Year Old Virgin - I didn't like what I saw.
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Really enjoying this show. Just an easy, light watch that doesn't take itself remotely seriously.
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I am also really enjoying this show, I get a good laugh out of it. It isn't at all the show I was expecting to see but it works for me and is refreshing in its own way.
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Wow this episode was probably my favorite so far, and not just for the obvious cameo. It seemed like everything from the last 7 episodes has built up to this and now genuinely excited for the finale!
-Marc
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Yup, very, very solid episode for sure.
"Using ketchup and mustard as a color scheme isn't that daring..." :lol
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Yup, very, very solid episode for sure.
"Using ketchup and mustard as a color scheme isn't that daring..." :lol
I think she said "Using mustard and ketchup as your color scheme IS pretty daring." after he corrected her naming him as "Gold Devil".
God their chemistry was so good. I hope she pops up in his show in a couple years!
-Marc.
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These last two episodes were a step up. I still kept finding myself saying "this is SO stupid!" But I was also genuinely laughing more than a few times. That was...actually kinda fun. I do have mixed feelings about Daredevil though. It was cool to see him. But I feel like they kinda messed up the character.
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I really wish the Daredevil thing had been a surprise
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It was cool to see him. But I feel like they kinda messed up the character.
It was a "lighter" version of both Matt Murdock and Daredevil, but I thought it was fine given the tone of the show and the fact that it's been several years since the Netflix series. I had no problem accepting him as the same guy, older, wiser, and less of a perpetual downer all the time. He's found some peace.
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It was cool to see him. But I feel like they kinda messed up the character.
It was a "lighter" version of both Matt Murdock and Daredevil, but I thought it was fine given the tone of the show and the fact that it's been several years since the Netflix series. I had no problem accepting him as the same guy, older, wiser, and less of a perpetual downer all the time. He's found some peace.
Yeah, and even though his show was gritty, he still had a sense of humour and was pretty flirty. I thought this was very much in keeping with the character, just a shift of emphasis to suit the lighter tone of the show.
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I feel Netflix gave the character a fantastic three season arc and, combined with the number of years since, I'm okay with the character being a bit different and reemphasized. I think Charlie Cox made it seem very natural.
Hoping he is more serious in his own show though. The character was never really intended to be that silly for long.
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I feel Netflix gave the character a fantastic three season arc and, combined with the number of years since, I'm okay with the character being a bit different and reemphasized. I think Charlie Cox made it seem very natural.
Hoping he is more serious in his own show though. The character was never really intended to be that silly for long.
I'm sure that show will be more serious in tone, would be very weird if it isn't.
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The original colors on the outfit, though. Ugh. Luke didn't do him any favors.
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Loved that episode! Daredevil worked beautifully, IMO, and the thing at the awards ceremony felt very relevant to current issues while still fitting in the feel of the show.
They've nailed the balance of tones in this series. This and Ms Marvel have re-ignited my slightly waning interest in the MCU. :tup
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Loved that episode! Daredevil worked beautifully, IMO, and the thing at the awards ceremony felt very relevant to current issues while still fitting in the feel of the show.
They've nailed the balance of tones in this series. This and Ms Marvel have re-ignited my slightly waning interest in the MCU. :tup
Strongly agree about the awards ceremony. That was a big time home run for me. It made a great point without ham-fisting it. It struck a nice balance of making you think without being overly preachy. Just brilliant.
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You guys are nuts :o. Even the Roger Corman F4 movie had better writing than this !!
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You guys are nuts :o. Even the Roger Corman F4 movie had better writing than this !!
You keep saying things like that, and I keep not seeing it.
Maybe this just isn't for you. The fact that you don't like it doesn't necessarily mean there is anything WRONG with it, such as bad writing, or bad anything else. Maybe it just doesn't appeal to you.
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Well, yeah, the "you guys are nuts" is over the top and doesn't acknowledge that people are entitled to like what they like. But it does have bad writing all over the place, and plenty of folks, including some on this forum who don't hate the show, have pointed out specifics in that regard.
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I watched the episode only because someone mentioned DD, even DD doesn't save the show.
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Well, yeah, the "you guys are nuts" is over the top and doesn't acknowledge that people are entitled to like what they like. But it does have bad writing all over the place, and plenty of folks, including some on this forum who don't hate the show, have pointed out specifics in that regard.
They still amount to not much more than "I don't like this, and it isn't done the way I would want it to be done, therefore it is bad writing."
I mean, whatever. No one is comparing this (or any other Marvel show) to The Wire or Breaking Bad. Call it what you want, I guess.
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I'm not equipped to say what bad or good writing is, tbh, but I see it like this:
This show is like a silly, throwaway comic book - anything can happen and it doesn't matter. It's colourful and fun with a good bit of heart. Comics are often like this - it's what makes them a unique medium, imo. Characters from other titles turn up. Crap temporary characters come and go. Motivations and plots are often paper-thin, but what the hell. For me, when this happens in a title that seems to be serious and straight-faced (hello and fuck you, Batman) I hate it, but in a book that's playing for laughs (hey, Deadpool, you legend) it's all good. And this is where She-Hulk is for me.
The dialogue is fun, I fully care about Jen, and they've taken their time in earning our empathy with her before showing a serious threat. Works for me.
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Perfectly stated man. :tup
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The scene at the bar where Matt buys Jen a drink is an example of what the show should be like. Decent dialog between two characters acting like real people, it even manages a joke where the character is being genuinely funny "I'm wearing pants, right?".
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I'm not equipped to say what bad or good writing is, tbh, but I see it like this:
This show is like a silly, throwaway comic book - anything can happen and it doesn't matter. It's colourful and fun with a good bit of heart. Comics are often like this - it's what makes them a unique medium, imo. Characters from other titles turn up. Crap temporary characters come and go. Motivations and plots are often paper-thin, but what the hell. For me, when this happens in a title that seems to be serious and straight-faced (hello and fuck you, Batman) I hate it, but in a book that's playing for laughs (hey, Deadpool, you legend) it's all good. And this is where She-Hulk is for me.
The dialogue is fun, I fully care about Jen, and they've taken their time in earning our empathy with her before showing a serious threat. Works for me.
It's become a thing where, now that the MCU has begun to diversify its tones and plots and writing, that fans who wanted more of the same are complaining. In hindsight, it's pretty ironic considering that, through Phase 2, a lot of the complaints about the MCU was that it was pretty same-y - arrogant protagonist learns a lesson, fights a one-off villain who is pretty much the hero but evil/misunderstood, and everyone has quips. But now that we've gotten things like Eternals, Doctor Strange 2, Moon Knight, WandaVision, Ms. Marvel, and She-Hulk, people are just not into it. Maybe it's fatigue, maybe these varying tones just aren't hitting the older audiences who got used to the "MCU Formula", or perhaps they just weren't ready for it all.
Personally, I love it all. As a comic reader growing up, I knew that different books, characters and stories were all trying different things, and no two comics were alike. I like that, in the same year, we get stories about Moon Knight, Doctor Strange, and She-Hulk and they're not all tonally the same. Heck, even the recent Werewolf By Night gave us something completely different, and it ended up being pretty damn good!
I think it's also just a case of "too much too soon". The pandemic really squished up their schedule, and everything we've gotten since Black Widow was supposed to be stretched out between 2020-2022. For die-hards who eat this all up, it's been a buffet of delights, but for those who have felt burnt-out since Endgame, they've probably felt overwhelmed and underwhelmed at the same time.
Every show/movie isn't going to be for everyone, and that has been the case since day 1, but now it's become way more apparent that that's how the MCU will operate from here on out. Giving different characters wildly different tones and stories, lead by many different directors and producers. I'm hoping that Kevin Feige will see what has stuck with fans these past two years and adjust course appropriately, given how much content they're planning between now and the end of 2026!
-Marc.
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I agree with everything you said there. I've enjoyed all of the Phase 4 stuff, some more than others obviously. I would love to see them add in a dark, serious character without all the comedy. I think that's the one thing that's missing right now.
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It’s finally over. :hefdaddy
And just when you were expecting some action BUFFF they blow it all off and then justified it the silliest way.
You had She Hulk, Hulk, Abomination, Daredevil, introduced Hulk’s son and FAILED miserably as a show. :loser:
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That finale was not at all what I expected and I'm glad for that! Gotta love She-Hulk breaking the fourth wall and calling out the typical MCU Clichés!
Also love the subtle Wakanda Forever nod in there as well. Good stuff. Was it the best finale? No. Was it even good? I'd say it was suitably appropriate for the show, and probably one of its better episodes. If a s2 is on the way, count me in!
-Marc.
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OK. Wow, I gotta be honest here and say I admire the ambition shown here, to even try something like that is pretty brave to be honest. So I'm giving the show some kudos for that. However it was done in a rather rushed and charmless way, and felt somewhat smug - 'Aren't we clever?'. A bigger issue is it takes away any threat the MCU throws at us now if we are to take this as cannon - or maybe we aren't supposed to be bothered about this? I don't know. Overall I didn't like the show and while this ending was interesting I'm not sure it comes close to rescuing the show, but at least it tried something different (even if imo it doesn't work).
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A bigger issue is it takes away any threat the MCU throws at us now if we are to take this as cannon - or maybe we aren't supposed to be bothered about this? I don't know.
I don't see it this way. The show was meant to be a comedy, and rather than the character breaking the fourth wall, the entire show did. I think they were just trying to be silly and joke about how powerful Kevin Feige is.
It's not like the characters in the Avengers are breaking the fourth wall or complaining about the writing in their own films in order to come up with a way to defeat Thanos.
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"I smash fourth walls and bad endings....and sometimes Matt Murdoch" :lol
Fun ending, definitely didn't expect where that went. Love the MCU having a bit of self deprecating humor.
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I get it that She-Hulk wasn't for everyone but I really enjoyed it and some of the humour, especially in the last episode was great - smashing Matt Murdock and when are the x-men going to show up?
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That was...fun. :clap:
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Some genuine big laughs in that episode finally. Kind of a weird ending, but pretty fun. I'm curious how a character like that joins in to other MCU movies/shows. Does she continue to break the 4th wall? Same with Deadpool I guess.
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That finale was both completely ridiculous and completely awesome. Definitely a throwback to the She-Hulk comics. She didn't just break the fourth wall - she demolished it. And the show as a whole worked as a send-up to the MCU, showing that while being serious about what they do, they don't take themselves seriously.
I didn't expect Hulk showing up with Skaar.
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Pretty sure I'm not the only one who feels like Marvel just trolled me for 8 episodes.
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I'm curious how a character like that joins in to other MCU movies/shows. Does she continue to break the 4th wall? Same with Deadpool I guess.
I expect whoever is the "main" character of a particular movie/show will largely dictate the tone. Just like we got a more lighthearted Matt Murdoch on this show, I wouldn't expect Daredevil: Born Again to turn into a comedy if Jen shows up. We may still get the occasional 4th Wall break and a little more humor, but it will be within the bounds of whatever the movie or show has set up.
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I'm curious how a character like that joins in to other MCU movies/shows. Does she continue to break the 4th wall? Same with Deadpool I guess.
I expect whoever is the "main" character of a particular movie/show will largely dictate the tone. Just like we got a more lighthearted Matt Murdoch on this show, I wouldn't expect Daredevil: Born Again to turn into a comedy if Jen shows up. We may still get the occasional 4th Wall break and a little more humor, but it will be within the bounds of whatever the movie or show has set up.
I totally agree with this.
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I didn't see that kind of ep coming. They just pushed the whole "knowing" thing all the way up. ;D
Really dug this series. Really hope we get to see more of Jen in future. :heart :smiley:
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That vintage 80's Hulk opening was fire.
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Very entertaining. Was it good? I have no idea. I wasn't sure about this show at first, but I warmed up to it and I thought the last couple of episodes were a lot of fun, so I guess I was along for the ride. As others have said, it took a lot of ambition to do this, to intentionally create something so different, and for one of the differences to be the fact that the show acknowledges and references itself and its place in the universe. I like a clever breaking of the fourth wall, but I don't know if I want to see it all the time or have it as a definitive characteristic of the show. Same with Deadpool. Very clever, very well done, but I watch TV and movies to escape, to immerse myself in the world I'm viewing. To be constantly reminded that I'm indeed only a viewer and it's only a bit of fiction kinda spoils that for me.
But I thought it was well done and quite entertaining. So I guess that makes it "good" by at least one definition.
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That vintage 80's Hulk opening was fire.
Indeed!
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I mostly enjoyed the show. I think they did a great job with characters and tackling some of the issues they tried to tackle. The ending was a lot of fun but hopefully doesn't escalate much more.
That said, it WAS poorly written in a lot of ways, to me. The show just lacked much focus. It was trying to be several things at once and left them all short changed as a result. They were trying to be a legal case of the week sitcom, they were trying to explore Jen's dating life, they were trying to explore the dualism of being both Jen and She-Hulk, while also telling a typical Marvel good guy/bad guy season long story. I think they could've ditched some of that and focused a bit more on others. I don't think the season long HulkKing stuff was necessary or helpful. A more focused story split between case of the week and Jen navigating life as a she-hulk and the duality that entails would've been good. More episodes would've helped too. Cause of that case of the week stuff was great, but it felt shortchanged. Titania, for instance, could've been completely eliminated from the story. I love Jamil but I don't see what it added at all. I think the stuff they did well could've been explored more and focused on more, but they were just so all over the place week to week.
I wouldn't rate this high in the MCU television shows, but I really enjoyed a lot of it and I'm glad Tatiana is a part of the MCU and I think she'll really shine moving forward if given the chance.
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I watched this show just because of Tatiana (became a fan after Orphan Black) and I loved it.
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The Assembled episode for She-Hulk has been uploaded today! I'm watching it right now!
-Marc.
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I couldn't find it. Went to Disney+, it wasn't under Extras for the show, and I searched "assembled" and got a bunch of them, but not She-Hulk.
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I couldn't find it. Went to Disney+, it wasn't under Extras for the show, and I searched "assembled" and got a bunch of them, but not She-Hulk.
From the main page, I clicked on the MARVEL banner andnits the first selection under the top row of Featured items, followed by She-Hulk the series, Director By Night and Werewolf By Night.
-Marc.
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Thanks, I'll try again (sometime). Annoying that they couldn't also put it in places that actually make sense.