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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: emtee on March 06, 2022, 05:43:03 AM
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Thursday - Rose from $3.49 to $3.89
Saturday - Double whammy day. First jump $3.99. Second jump $4.08 - $4.18.
Most every location is well over $4 today.
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And that's for a gallon, I think?
A gallon is 3,78 liters. Over here it's been rising to €2,20 a liter.
You don't have it that bad over there :)
EDIT: to not make it sound harsh. I mean, yeah, it's a large price jump, but gas is stupidly cheap in the US anyway, compared to other countries.
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$4.19 a gallon where I'm at
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I'm confident the free market will sort this out in a fair and equitable fashion. It never fails.
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And that's for a gallon, I think?
A gallon is 3,78 liters. Over here it's been rising to €2,20 a liter.
You don't have it that bad over there :)
EDIT: to not make it sound harsh. I mean, yeah, it's a large price jump, but gas is stupidly cheap in the US anyway, compared to other countries.
4/gal is not "stupidly cheap" just because it's higher in other countries. This is bad for a whole lot of Americans.
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The market....and greed.....will work this out. I also remember paying almost $5 a gallon in October of 2008. We'll get through this.
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And that's for a gallon, I think?
A gallon is 3,78 liters. Over here it's been rising to €2,20 a liter.
You don't have it that bad over there :)
EDIT: to not make it sound harsh. I mean, yeah, it's a large price jump, but gas is stupidly cheap in the US anyway, compared to other countries.
4/gal is not "stupidly cheap" just because it's higher in other countries. This is bad for a whole lot of Americans.
No, it has always been stupidly cheap in America. Unfortunately we've built an entire economy, transportation system, and base of habits on gas being cheaper than it should be. Now we're behind the 8 ball when faced with prices that are still relatively less than much of the rest of the world.
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Go electric!
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Go electric!
I have, but the greater point is you can't just make that switch on a dime. Tesla basically dragged the country, as much as it could, in that direction. But there is so much they can't do. From electric battery supply chain to charging infrastructure we're so far behind were we could be, Tesla aside. Same for public transportation in many areas.
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And that's for a gallon, I think?
A gallon is 3,78 liters. Over here it's been rising to €2,20 a liter.
You don't have it that bad over there :)
EDIT: to not make it sound harsh. I mean, yeah, it's a large price jump, but gas is stupidly cheap in the US anyway, compared to other countries.
4/gal is not "stupidly cheap" just because it's higher in other countries. This is bad for a whole lot of Americans.
No, it has always been stupidly cheap in America. Unfortunately we've built an entire economy, transportation system, and base of habits on gas being cheaper than it should be. Now we're behind the 8 ball when faced with prices that are still relatively less than much of the rest of the world.
If people are struggling to afford gas then it is not cheap. If it can be framed as cheap relative to the rest of the world then it can be framed as expensive for people with very little money already who are getting squeezed further, regardless of how it got to that point. Gas ain't cheap for the common person. That it is cheap compared to other spots in the world is beside the point, respectfully. "Cheap" and "expensive" are relative. A million dollar boat to Jeff Bezos is probably cheap for him.
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No, it has always been stupidly cheap in America. Unfortunately we've built an entire economy, transportation system, and base of habits on gas being cheaper than it should be.
Who is to say what the price of gas, or anything, should be?
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I don't know about you all, but I feel like there is some price gouging going on out there, and not just with fuel prices.
We utilize the 'subscribe and save' option via Amazon for regular purchases such as cat food. And lately it seems like I get a message that they cannot fill our order and when I search for alternatives the prices are jacked WAY up. I mean, a 12 pack of cat food used to cost $15-18 bucks and now I'm seeing that same 12 pack being sold for over $50. It's crazy.
Another thing I've noticed is shipping costs going way up. I went to purchase a CD directly from the producer of an artist I love and the CD was $11.99 (reasonable) but they wanted almost $10 to ship it to me. WTF?
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I don't know about you all, but I feel like there is some price gouging going on out there, and not just with fuel prices.
We utilize the 'subscribe and save' option via Amazon for regular purchases such as cat food. And lately it seems like I get a message that they cannot fill our order and when I search for alternatives the prices are jacked WAY up. I mean, a 12 pack of cat food used to cost $15-18 bucks and now I'm seeing that same 12 pack being sold for over $50. It's crazy.
Another thing I've noticed is shipping costs going way up. I went to purchase a CD directly from the producer of an artist I love and the CD was $11.99 (reasonable) but they wanted almost $10 to ship it to me. WTF?
I bought a shirt from a Japanese artist, and the shipping was almost more than the shirt.
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Whenever I try to buy anything coming from the USA, the shipping is always ridiculously expensive.
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It's been horrifying gas price pain in the OC. The stations around me is at $5.00 a gallon. I think I saw some stations at $5.50. I shudder to think what it would be in LA. Probably over $6.00.
I bought a shirt from a Japanese artist, and the shipping was almost more than the shirt.
Well, buying stuff from Japan is always expensive.
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And that's for a gallon, I think?
A gallon is 3,78 liters. Over here it's been rising to €2,20 a liter.
You don't have it that bad over there :)
EDIT: to not make it sound harsh. I mean, yeah, it's a large price jump, but gas is stupidly cheap in the US anyway, compared to other countries.
4/gal is not "stupidly cheap" just because it's higher in other countries. This is bad for a whole lot of Americans.
No, it has always been stupidly cheap in America. Unfortunately we've built an entire economy, transportation system, and base of habits on gas being cheaper than it should be. Now we're behind the 8 ball when faced with prices that are still relatively less than much of the rest of the world.
If people are struggling to afford gas then it is not cheap. If it can be framed as cheap relative to the rest of the world then it can be framed as expensive for people with very little money already who are getting squeezed further, regardless of how it got to that point. Gas ain't cheap for the common person. That it is cheap compared to other spots in the world is beside the point, respectfully. "Cheap" and "expensive" are relative. A million dollar boat to Jeff Bezos is probably cheap for him.
At any price other than free, some people are going to struggle to afford gas.
The reason in America gas is considered "cheap" is because decades of subsidies and political decisions have made it cheap relative to its true cost. America has also done very little to show the effect of its environmental impact into the cost.
I'm not saying this to be mean to people who struggle to afford it, but we've put ourselves into a system where we build everything on top of suppressed fuel prices and then panic when we aren't prepared to deal with something a little more realistic. And with all faulty systems it is, as usual, the poorest who tend to suffer most.
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And that's for a gallon, I think?
A gallon is 3,78 liters. Over here it's been rising to €2,20 a liter.
You don't have it that bad over there :)
EDIT: to not make it sound harsh. I mean, yeah, it's a large price jump, but gas is stupidly cheap in the US anyway, compared to other countries.
4/gal is not "stupidly cheap" just because it's higher in other countries. This is bad for a whole lot of Americans.
No, it has always been stupidly cheap in America. Unfortunately we've built an entire economy, transportation system, and base of habits on gas being cheaper than it should be. Now we're behind the 8 ball when faced with prices that are still relatively less than much of the rest of the world.
If people are struggling to afford gas then it is not cheap. If it can be framed as cheap relative to the rest of the world then it can be framed as expensive for people with very little money already who are getting squeezed further, regardless of how it got to that point. Gas ain't cheap for the common person. That it is cheap compared to other spots in the world is beside the point, respectfully. "Cheap" and "expensive" are relative. A million dollar boat to Jeff Bezos is probably cheap for him.
At any price other than free, some people are going to struggle to afford gas.
The reason in America gas is considered "cheap" is because decades of subsidies and political decisions have made it cheap relative to its true cost. America has also done very little to show the effect of its environmental impact into the cost.
I'm not saying this to be mean to people who struggle to afford it, but we've put ourselves into a system where we build everything on top of suppressed fuel prices and then panic when we aren't prepared to deal with something a little more realistic. And with all faulty systems it is, as usual, the poorest who tend to suffer most.
And you're right - I'm talking about the common man going to the gas station filling up their car. It's expensive. That some people will struggle if it is anything but 'free' is missing my point; I'm not sure what's farfetched about saying gas being over $4/gallon is expensive to the ordinary person. In central IL where I'm from, gas is 4.19 which I've never seen. 4.79 for premium. I've never in my life seen it that high. It's brutal. I feel like maybe we're talking past each other, because I'm not disagreeing with you so much as I am emphasizing the regular Joe's plight in this. EDIT: I figured that's what this thread is about, given the very first post and the thread title...
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And that's for a gallon, I think?
A gallon is 3,78 liters. Over here it's been rising to €2,20 a liter.
You don't have it that bad over there :)
EDIT: to not make it sound harsh. I mean, yeah, it's a large price jump, but gas is stupidly cheap in the US anyway, compared to other countries.
4/gal is not "stupidly cheap" just because it's higher in other countries. This is bad for a whole lot of Americans.
No, it has always been stupidly cheap in America. Unfortunately we've built an entire economy, transportation system, and base of habits on gas being cheaper than it should be. Now we're behind the 8 ball when faced with prices that are still relatively less than much of the rest of the world.
If people are struggling to afford gas then it is not cheap. If it can be framed as cheap relative to the rest of the world then it can be framed as expensive for people with very little money already who are getting squeezed further, regardless of how it got to that point. Gas ain't cheap for the common person. That it is cheap compared to other spots in the world is beside the point, respectfully. "Cheap" and "expensive" are relative. A million dollar boat to Jeff Bezos is probably cheap for him.
At any price other than free, some people are going to struggle to afford gas.
The reason in America gas is considered "cheap" is because decades of subsidies and political decisions have made it cheap relative to its true cost. America has also done very little to show the effect of its environmental impact into the cost.
I'm not saying this to be mean to people who struggle to afford it, but we've put ourselves into a system where we build everything on top of suppressed fuel prices and then panic when we aren't prepared to deal with something a little more realistic. And with all faulty systems it is, as usual, the poorest who tend to suffer most.
And you're right - I'm talking about the common man going to the gas station filling up their car. It's expensive. That some people will struggle if it is anything but 'free' is missing my point; I'm not sure what's farfetched about saying gas being over $4/gallon is expensive to the ordinary person. In central IL where I'm from, gas is 4.19 which I've never seen. 4.79 for premium. I've never in my life seen it that high. It's brutal. I feel like maybe we're talking past each other, because I'm not disagreeing with you so much as I am emphasizing the regular Joe's plight in this. EDIT: I figured that's what this thread is about, given the very first post and the thread title...
I think the moral of the story is that the common man has been getting a free ride up until now. And the fact that some could afford gas last week and can't now doesn't really mean a whole lot. Mr. Burns can still afford gas, and Cletus probably couldn't buy a gallon 2 weeks ago. In this case it becomes a problem because Homer and Marge can't afford it. The "common man" thing is really just a function of where you put your mark on the continuum, and the tendency is to stake it close to where we reside.
Also, for some of us are old enough to remember not only when prices were this high, but when you could only get gas on odd or even days based on your license plate number and lines were still around the block.
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Also, for some of us are old enough to remember not only when prices were this high, but when you could only get gas on odd or even days based on your license plate number and lines were still around the block.
And people crawling up behind your car to siphon it out. I remember having a locking gas cap.
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I think the moral of the story is that the common man has been getting a free ride up until now. And the fact that some could afford gas last week and can't now doesn't really mean a whole lot. Mr. Burns can still afford gas, and Cletus probably couldn't buy a gallon 2 weeks ago. In this case it becomes a problem because Homer and Marge can't afford it. The "common man" thing is really just a function of where you put your mark on the continuum, and the tendency is to stake it close to where we reside.
Also, for some of us are old enough to remember not only when prices were this high, but when you could only get gas on odd or even days based on your license plate number and lines were still around the block.
Well, no? I see what you're saying, but it's been burdensome for Marge and Homer for a long time, and now it's getting worse. Not to do some intellectual sparring or pondering over semantics, but I don't think it's accurate to call it a free ride if it's been a real problem, just because the price is lower compared to its true cost, yeah? That's all I've been saying, since it was initially called cheap (again, cheap is relative, and we've been discussing why and why not it could be considered 'cheap' depending on how you frame the discussion). Not trying to be confrontational, fyi.
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Okay, so while the average income in my countries is apparently slightly higher than in the US (I had to look it up; around 40k to around 33k), it's not twice as high which is the difference in gas costs.
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/
^ Look at where USA stands compared to the rest of the countries on that list. It actually gets a mention in the opening paragraph!
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Also, for some of us are old enough to remember not only when prices were this high, but when you could only get gas on odd or even days based on your license plate number and lines were still around the block.
And people crawling up behind your car to siphon it out. I remember having a locking gas cap.
And then the gas caps became so expensive that for some of us the cap was more valuable that the gas it "protected." Stadler and anybody else who recognizes this knows what I mean. :lol
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/unYAAOSw5nZdLbzN/s-l400.jpg)
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Not trying to be confrontational, fyi.
And you're not. Pleasant and civil discussion.
Well, no? I see what you're saying, but it's been burdensome for Marge and Homer for a long time, and now it's getting worse. Not to do some intellectual sparring or pondering over semantics, but I don't think it's accurate to call it a free ride if it's been a real problem, just because the price is lower compared to its true cost, yeah? That's all I've been saying, since it was initially called cheap (again, cheap is relative, and we've been discussing why and why not it could be considered 'cheap' depending on how you frame the discussion).
Well, just because it could have been worse for the Simpson family doesn't mean that they haven't been getting a free ride. Technically, it should have been worse for them.
And while I hate playing the pro-capitalist stooge, I'll give it a go in this instance. Perhaps if the Simpson clan had been paying the actual cost of gas based on its value all this time, they'd have made decisions that would lessen this impact. Homer's car's pretty big, and Marge's Canyonnaro should be right out. Maybe they'd live closer to the SNPP. Maybe they'd put Grampa in a cheaper home. They were getting a bargain on their gas and assumed it would go on forever. All bubbles break.
And therein lies the problem. We've had gas crunches and shortages before. The last one wasn't too terribly long ago. People bitch and moan about it but do precious little to insulate themselves. I think that's where American entitlement kicks in. We treat relatively cheap gas as something we deserve, and we expect our government to make sure it happens. Rather than buying smaller cars, or driving less, most people would will just wait and vote for the other guy since he'll "make sure" such drastic measures aren't necessary, ignoring the ugly truth that it's mostly just cyclical.
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Nick, unfortunately, America's infrastructure is not conducive for trains, taxi's ect. Especially where I live.
I bitch because the cost of living hurts and I can afford it. For those who can't...
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Another thing I've noticed is shipping costs going way up. I went to purchase a CD directly from the producer of an artist I love and the CD was $11.99 (reasonable) but they wanted almost $10 to ship it to me. WTF?
This is where the fuel prices become an issue. Sure, it's "cheap" compared to the rest of the world, but the rest of the world isn't subsidizing our infrastructure.
I know (and have worked for) companies that make millions and millions of dollars in saving the railroads 1/10 of a mile per gallon on fuel costs across their fleet. Why? Because 1/10th of a mph across 60,000 locomotives, traveling millions of miles annually adds up pretty damn quick. And the rail freight business is what ultimately drives our economy (there are those who claim our economy can be accurately predicted by the transport of paper goods by rail alone, simply because it's a harbinger of future purchases and shipments). Add to that the freight moved by air - with the same issues and concerns - and even a modest increase in fuel prices can resonate dramatically. There might be gouging at the pump for consumers - I know where I live, I have seen radically different prices, by as much as $0.25 per gallon, at gas stations only a mile or so apart on the same road - but that's not so much a concern on the wholesale side.
We - the U.S. - are the largest oil producer in the world. We account for something like 20% of the world's oil production and yet, we seem beholden to forces that we shouldn't necessarily be beholden to. I'm a free market guy, but even I will tell you that sometimes the TIMING of the free market isn't what it should be. If there's ever a time for government intervention in the markets, it's to change the impact of time on the process. We allow this in healthcare, so that people (in theory) don't have to save up or use credit to garner preventative services (that's the idea; I'm not here in this thread to discuss the imperfections of that theory). Why wouldn't we do that here?
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Up from $4.19 to $4.45 this morning where I'm at
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We are still sub $4.00/gallon in a lot of places around here (Raleigh/Garner, NC), but a few places are over that mark.
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Groton CT this morning:
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Over the weekend, I saw all prices over $5 per gallon, and a couple stations had the 91 octane stuff over $6 per gallon.
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Filled up yesterday in NJ, don't recall exactly the price but it was ~$4.30
This sucks as a daily commuter, but it's not the end of the world. IMO, raising this price to stop funding Putin is worth it albeit I honestly don't know how any of this works to actually claim this is helping in some way.
I just have to file it under "things I can't change" and not let it affect me too much. Luckily, I guess, it's because I can afford it so while my bank account takes another hit (along with the general inflation) getting upset about it only makes it even worse.
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Not trying to be confrontational, fyi.
And you're not. Pleasant and civil discussion.
Well, no? I see what you're saying, but it's been burdensome for Marge and Homer for a long time, and now it's getting worse. Not to do some intellectual sparring or pondering over semantics, but I don't think it's accurate to call it a free ride if it's been a real problem, just because the price is lower compared to its true cost, yeah? That's all I've been saying, since it was initially called cheap (again, cheap is relative, and we've been discussing why and why not it could be considered 'cheap' depending on how you frame the discussion).
Well, just because it could have been worse for the Simpson family doesn't mean that they haven't been getting a free ride. Technically, it should have been worse for them.
And while I hate playing the pro-capitalist stooge, I'll give it a go in this instance. Perhaps if the Simpson clan had been paying the actual cost of gas based on its value all this time, they'd have made decisions that would lessen this impact. Homer's car's pretty big, and Marge's Canyonnaro should be right out. Maybe they'd live closer to the SNPP. Maybe they'd put Grampa in a cheaper home. They were getting a bargain on their gas and assumed it would go on forever. All bubbles break.
And therein lies the problem. We've had gas crunches and shortages before. The last one wasn't too terribly long ago. People bitch and moan about it but do precious little to insulate themselves. I think that's where American entitlement kicks in. We treat relatively cheap gas as something we deserve, and we expect our government to make sure it happens. Rather than buying smaller cars, or driving less, most people would will just wait and vote for the other guy since he'll "make sure" such drastic measures aren't necessary, ignoring the ugly truth that it's mostly just cyclical.
You rang? :) :) :)
But you have it right in that last paragraph. My step son just went through this a couple months ago; he's driving an hour each way to work, and was moaning about money and I had this very conversation with him. You drive a 2016 Chevy full size extended cab pickup; what the fuck did you expect? He ended up selling that - at a premium, because car prices were through the roof at that point - and bought a VW diesel. As I (hoped) to get across in my previous post, I'm less inclined to feel bad for people who can't spell E-P-A and M-P-G than I am for the other, hidden aspects of our economy that are also impact by fuel prices.
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People bitch and moan about it but do precious little to insulate themselves. I think that's where American entitlement kicks in. We treat relatively cheap gas as something we deserve, and we expect our government to make sure it happens.
Entitlement is part of it, but also ignorance. I say that as someone who knew the gas in the US was cheap, but has no understanding why it's like that. Many Americans haven't driven in Europe to know how much more expensive it is over there (or elsewhere outside the US).
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$4.29 this morning. Good times.
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Also in Italy prices are skyrocketing, and I don't expect them to ever come back down anytime soon.
Fun fact: there's a weird and obscure way in Italy to increase fuel's prices, a sort of mini, microscopic tax that gets added to the price of fuel when a contingency happens. You'd expect that, with the contingency gone, the mini tax would be removed, but no, so the price of fuel and gas STILL includes these "mini taxes" for the Etiopia war of 1935, the Florence flood of 1966, and so on.
So yeah, we're still paying a little bit tiny more of fuel because 90 years ago the fascist regime invaded an african nation (plus some earthquakes, natural disasters and the Suez crisis of 1963 as well (thank you England and Egypt I guess).
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Everything is getting more expensive, yet for some reason the price of beef short ribs has fallen almost $2lb in the last two weeks :metal Things are looking up people!
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I don't know about you all, but I feel like there is some price gouging going on out there, and not just with fuel prices.
Hard to truly know if it's gauging vs naturally occurring inflation. Speaking of pet food, the 30lb bag of dog food that I buy 2x a month was $75 last summer; $83 in November; $90 in January; $100 last week.
Prices on everything is going bonkers - while wages are not. My boss tried to talk up the 1.7% merit increase I got a few months back - I (only partially joking) told him I wouldn't bother pointing out that with the inflation rate, this is actually a reduction in my pay. Inflation typically hits products much more than it hits wages. :tdwn
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Yeah, I got a solid raise just last week, but it's still not enough to keep up with inflation. We are all basically losing some of our wealth and sadly, for some, it's going to hurt a lot if it hasn't already.
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Nick, unfortunately, America's infrastructure is not conducive for trains, taxi's ect. Especially where I live.
I bitch because the cost of living hurts and I can afford it. For those who can't...
I'm not suggesting every square inch of America is conducive for public transportation, it certainly isn't. But generally speaking where public transit could be best utilized it's underdeveloped and areas where it could have been useful it often isn't found at all, or is severly lacking. And again, nothing that can be changed overnight, it's just something that comes to light in times like this.
In other news, last night we became 100% electric and renewable. Our house was already fully electric, and I drive a Model Y, and now my fiance got a Nissan Leaf. On top of that you can choose your energy supplier in PA and I've always paid a little extra to be 100% renewable, and in this case it's PA Wind Energy that now powers our home and both our cars.
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I don't know about you all, but I feel like there is some price gouging going on out there, and not just with fuel prices.
We utilize the 'subscribe and save' option via Amazon for regular purchases such as cat food. And lately it seems like I get a message that they cannot fill our order and when I search for alternatives the prices are jacked WAY up. I mean, a 12 pack of cat food used to cost $15-18 bucks and now I'm seeing that same 12 pack being sold for over $50. It's crazy.
Another thing I've noticed is shipping costs going way up. I went to purchase a CD directly from the producer of an artist I love and the CD was $11.99 (reasonable) but they wanted almost $10 to ship it to me. WTF?
I completely agree about the gouging. As soon as the toilet paper was flying off the shelves prices started going up and there was no need for that. I can certainly understand higher gas prices affecting costs but there are some things they are just flat out getting greedy with.
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Nick, unfortunately, America's infrastructure is not conducive for trains, taxi's ect. Especially where I live.
I bitch because the cost of living hurts and I can afford it. For those who can't...
I'm not suggesting every square inch of America is conducive for public transportation, it certainly isn't. But generally speaking where public transit could be best utilized it's underdeveloped and areas where it could have been useful it often isn't found at all, or is severly lacking. And again, nothing that can be changed overnight, it's just something that comes to light in times like this.
In other news, last night we became 100% electric and renewable. Our house was already fully electric, and I drive a Model Y, and now my fiance got a Nissan Leaf. On top of that you can choose your energy supplier in PA and I've always paid a little extra to be 100% renewable, and in this case it's PA Wind Energy that now powers our home and both our cars.
Oh defiantly. We should peruse all avenues for electric energy. No doubt. Just tough for me and my podunk town. I have been interested in solar panels for a while but so many things to fix at the house, I keep putting it to the back burner.
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So yeah, we're still paying a little bit tiny more of fuel because 90 years ago the fascist regime invaded an african nation (plus some earthquakes, natural disasters and the Suez crisis of 1963 as well (thank you England and Egypt I guess).
We were just trying to save you from a car dominated suburbia! :P
In Sweden the price has jumped about 20% in the last month or so. I don't drive so I am fortunately fairly insulated from direct costs, though I imagine it will have a knock on effect on food later down the line.
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In Australia at the moment we are paying around $1.70 a litre. 3.7 litres in a gallon so works out we are paying around $6.50 a gallon.
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US or Didgeridollars?
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US or Didgeridollars?
That's a key point hey. That's Aussie dollars, so that's about.....$4.70. SoI guess that's in line. Completely forgot about that aspect lol.
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And Aussie dollar is called a didgeridollar?
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:lol
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And Aussie dollar is called a didgeridollar?
No. It was a joke.
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Didgeridollars
:lol :rollin
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And Aussie dollar is called a didgeridollar?
No. It was a joke.
I see what you did there.
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And Aussie dollar is called a didgeridollar?
Yes, it absolutely is.
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And Aussie dollar is called a didgeridollar?
Yes, it absolutely is.
Better than how we refer to our dollar coin as the Loonie.
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People bitch and moan about it but do precious little to insulate themselves. I think that's where American entitlement kicks in. We treat relatively cheap gas as something we deserve, and we expect our government to make sure it happens.
Entitlement is part of it, but also ignorance. I say that as someone who knew the gas in the US was cheap, but has no understanding why it's like that. Many Americans haven't driven in Europe to know how much more expensive it is over there (or elsewhere outside the US).
I'll never forget the first time I went to Europe and did a road trip, wooo boy that wasn't cheap. I didn't nearly as much on subsequent trips to Europe lol.
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Did a little experiment on the commute to work. Drove 70 on cruise control with the Smart setting on my transmission instead of my usual 75-80 (it's 4am, that's basically the speeof traffic here) free for all, and my average mpg went from 32 to over 40. (2022 Kia Forte). Wonder how much that alone will save me in the long run... Looks like I'm entering the old man phase of commuting.
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Yup. Less weight in your vehicle and making sure the tire pressure is good.
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Did a little experiment on the commute to work. Drove 70 on cruise control with the Smart setting on my transmission instead of my usual 75-80 (it's 4am, that's basically the speeof traffic here) free for all, and my average mpg went from 32 to over 40. (2022 Kia Forte). Wonder how much that alone will save me in the long run... Looks like I'm entering the old man phase of commuting.
Geez, I'm younger than you, and I've been driving like this for more than a few years.
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Less driving usually works. :justjen
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Less driving usually works. :justjen
Yeah, don't have that option. My commute is 40 miles each way with no public transportation options.
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Less driving usually works. :justjen
Yeah, don't have that option. My commute is 40 miles each way with no public transportation options.
Might be cheaper to move! :lol
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Less driving usually works. :justjen
Yeah, don't have that option. My commute is 40 miles each way with no public transportation options.
Might be cheaper to move! :lol
To Palo Alto? :rollin
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Less driving usually works. :justjen
Yeah, don't have that option. My commute is 40 miles each way with no public transportation options.
Yeah, what Jingle said. :lol In 36 years, I've never lived more than 7 miles from work. Think of the savings compared to someone who lives just twice that far away. :eek Now, I'm about a half mile away but still working from home. Last time I filled up, gas was a dollar cheaper and the needle is still close to full. Oh, BTW I can only use premium in my car and fuel points will come in handy now more than ever. :biggrin:
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Less driving usually works. :justjen
Yeah, don't have that option. My commute is 40 miles each way with no public transportation options.
I have a near identical commute. I have public options, but they're terrible. I tried for a two month period a few years back. Ultimately, I was only saving about $100 a month. It wasn't worth it seeing as the bus would tack on an additional hour every day to my already hellish commute. It didn't help that I had to sit in traffic to get to and from the bus stop as well :lol
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Less driving usually works. :justjen
Yeah, don't have that option. My commute is 40 miles each way with no public transportation options.
Might be cheaper to move! :lol
I've moved before because of a commute; I lived in northeast suburbs of Atlanta, and was driving about 12 miles west, a commute that would take me roughly and hour and 15 minutes EACH WAY. Once my kid was born, we pulled up stakes and went back to Connecticut.
Look, I sell passenger trains for a living, and while I do use the train for certain applications, at least here in the northeast, it's not convenient. It's just not. I WANT to use it, and I would, but it's not practical. Busses are not even an option for me. I can't, like Chino said, tack an hour onto the end of each commute. I can be SOMEWHAT productive in that time, but not 100%, and there's still time lost. And god forbid if I had to give up DTF time! :)
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Within 25 miles of where I work, rent is way out of my price range.
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Less driving usually works. :justjen
Yeah, don't have that option. My commute is 40 miles each way with no public transportation options.
I have a near identical commute. I have public options, but they're terrible. I tried for a two month period a few years back. Ultimately, I was only saving about $100 a month. It wasn't worth it seeing as the bus would tack on an additional hour every day to my already hellish commute. It didn't help that I had to sit in traffic to get to and from the bus stop as well :lol
None of the public transport runs at the time I go to work, and even if it did, it'd be a good hour and a half train followed by an hour on busses.
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Less driving usually works. :justjen
Yeah, don't have that option. My commute is 40 miles each way with no public transportation options.
I have a near identical commute. I have public options, but they're terrible. I tried for a two month period a few years back. Ultimately, I was only saving about $100 a month. It wasn't worth it seeing as the bus would tack on an additional hour every day to my already hellish commute. It didn't help that I had to sit in traffic to get to and from the bus stop as well :lol
None of the public transport runs at the time I go to work, and even if it did, it'd be a good hour and a half train followed by an hour on busses.
The timing was the worst part. The busses had a schedule, but in practice it was more of a wait here for a bus - one will be hear at some point kind of thing. I'd leave my office at 4:30 to catch the 4:40 bus, and it wouldn't show up until 5:20 or so. It was terrible.
Connecticut repurposed an old stretch of rail line to be a designated bus lane. I think it's like 9 miles or so and completely bypasses the highway I have to take (runs alongside it). I actually don't hate the concept, the problem is that it's only 9 miles. The idea is that the major cities would be connected by an uninterrupted route, like a train. But once the busses get into the cities, they can do a loop and have easily adjustable stops along the way. We'd need a few hundred miles of that around the state for it to be really effective.
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I am looking at buying a new car here very soon because mine is old and falling apart. What lovely timing.
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I am looking at buying a new car here very soon because mine is old and falling apart. What lovely timing.
It might be cheaper to do an Engine/Tranny/Exhaust/Radiator/Interior swap than it would be to buy a new car :lol
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I am looking at buying a new car here very soon because mine is old and falling apart. What lovely timing.
It might be cheaper to do an Engine/Tranny/Exhaust/Radiator/Interior swap than it would be to buy a new car :lol
I've done damn near everything to this car EXCEPT replace the tranny. Half of it was rebuilt, the rest has more or less been all repainted and replaced. It's the damn car of Theseus! :lol
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I've found NJ's train system to be pretty solid. I live close to a station and can get around the state fairly easily if I wanted to, but for my job, the closest station is another 15/20 minutes drive away from work so it doesn't really work as an option for daily commute. Our governor took pride a month ago saying this was another year with no price hike for the trains, which could make them a real good option for the year if it works for you.
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I've definitely been trying to stretch my mileage a bit. Since BMWs have always had economy gauges right there on the dash it's pretty easy to re-train yourself to drive more efficiently, and it does make a small difference. My problem is that even though I'm only about 7 miles from work, it's directly SW across all NSEW streets. Tons of turns and starts and stops. Traditionally I only get about 14mpg on that drive, hence the re-learning. I'll be forced to move in a few months, but that's likely to only make matters worse.
Unfortunately, Dallas just isn't a mass transportation kind of city. It simply doesn't work worth a damn. The same train line that runs right past my current digs runs right past the shop. Riding the stupid thing takes 45 minutes and is generally miserable.
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Someone got arrested in Atlanta for drilling holes into Gas Tanks and stealing gas :tdwn
There have been at least ten victims in Kirkwood, Edgewood and East Atlanta. Victims reported coming out to their cars and trucks to find their gas tanks empty and holes drilled into their tanks.
https://www.cbs46.com/2022/03/03/atlanta-police-arrest-man-accused-stealing-gas-tanks/
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I've definitely been trying to stretch my mileage a bit. Since BMWs have always had economy gauges right there on the dash it's pretty easy to re-train yourself to drive more efficiently, and it does make a small difference. My problem is that even though I'm only about 7 miles from work, it's directly SW across all NSEW streets. Tons of turns and starts and stops. Traditionally I only get about 14mpg on that drive, hence the re-learning. I'll be forced to move in a few months, but that's likely to only make matters worse.
My new Kia has a little meter that tells me my current mpg as well as the cumulative for the trip... I was way too obsessed with it today. :lol
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I've definitely been trying to stretch my mileage a bit. Since BMWs have always had economy gauges right there on the dash it's pretty easy to re-train yourself to drive more efficiently, and it does make a small difference. My problem is that even though I'm only about 7 miles from work, it's directly SW across all NSEW streets. Tons of turns and starts and stops. Traditionally I only get about 14mpg on that drive, hence the re-learning. I'll be forced to move in a few months, but that's likely to only make matters worse.
My new Kia has a little meter that tells me my current mpg as well as the cumulative for the trip... I was way too obsessed with it today. :lol
Yeah, it's actually incredibly useful for the times you care. Driving like a maniac is really more my thing, and I do that at the expense of gas and tires, but right now I'm on a quest to maximize my mileage.
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I've definitely been trying to stretch my mileage a bit. Since BMWs have always had economy gauges right there on the dash it's pretty easy to re-train yourself to drive more efficiently, and it does make a small difference. My problem is that even though I'm only about 7 miles from work, it's directly SW across all NSEW streets. Tons of turns and starts and stops. Traditionally I only get about 14mpg on that drive, hence the re-learning. I'll be forced to move in a few months, but that's likely to only make matters worse.
My new Kia has a little meter that tells me my current mpg as well as the cumulative for the trip... I was way too obsessed with it today. :lol
Yeah, it's actually incredibly useful for the times you care. Driving like a maniac is really more my thing, and I do that at the expense of gas and tires, but right now I'm on a quest to maximize my mileage.
Same... As I said, at 4am in the bay area, it's straight up the Autobahn... I'm curious to see how everyone else adjusts their habits. Figure well be at 6/gallon by week's end... That's gotta tame even the craziest of drivers
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I've definitely been trying to stretch my mileage a bit. Since BMWs have always had economy gauges right there on the dash it's pretty easy to re-train yourself to drive more efficiently, and it does make a small difference. My problem is that even though I'm only about 7 miles from work, it's directly SW across all NSEW streets. Tons of turns and starts and stops. Traditionally I only get about 14mpg on that drive, hence the re-learning. I'll be forced to move in a few months, but that's likely to only make matters worse.
My new Kia has a little meter that tells me my current mpg as well as the cumulative for the trip... I was way too obsessed with it today. :lol
Yeah, it's actually incredibly useful for the times you care. Driving like a maniac is really more my thing, and I do that at the expense of gas and tires, but right now I'm on a quest to maximize my mileage.
I should be joining you guys in this, but I'm not sure I can control myself. Maybe if the roads were empty so I could do cruise control, but I'm just so impatient with all the terrible drivers around here.
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I've definitely been trying to stretch my mileage a bit. Since BMWs have always had economy gauges right there on the dash it's pretty easy to re-train yourself to drive more efficiently, and it does make a small difference. My problem is that even though I'm only about 7 miles from work, it's directly SW across all NSEW streets. Tons of turns and starts and stops. Traditionally I only get about 14mpg on that drive, hence the re-learning. I'll be forced to move in a few months, but that's likely to only make matters worse.
My new Kia has a little meter that tells me my current mpg as well as the cumulative for the trip... I was way too obsessed with it today. :lol
Yeah, it's actually incredibly useful for the times you care. Driving like a maniac is really more my thing, and I do that at the expense of gas and tires, but right now I'm on a quest to maximize my mileage.
I should be joining you guys in this, but I'm not sure I can control myself. Maybe if the roads were empty so I could do cruise control, but I'm just so impatient with all the terrible drivers around here.
I'm in the same group as well; I WANT to be frugal and responsible, but I have a good driving car, and a lot of curving roads around me, so temptation is high....
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I've definitely been trying to stretch my mileage a bit. Since BMWs have always had economy gauges right there on the dash it's pretty easy to re-train yourself to drive more efficiently, and it does make a small difference. My problem is that even though I'm only about 7 miles from work, it's directly SW across all NSEW streets. Tons of turns and starts and stops. Traditionally I only get about 14mpg on that drive, hence the re-learning. I'll be forced to move in a few months, but that's likely to only make matters worse.
My new Kia has a little meter that tells me my current mpg as well as the cumulative for the trip... I was way too obsessed with it today. :lol
Yeah, it's actually incredibly useful for the times you care. Driving like a maniac is really more my thing, and I do that at the expense of gas and tires, but right now I'm on a quest to maximize my mileage.
I should be joining you guys in this, but I'm not sure I can control myself. Maybe if the roads were empty so I could do cruise control, but I'm just so impatient with all the terrible drivers around here.
I'm in the same group as well; I WANT to be frugal and responsible, but I have a good driving car, and a lot of curving roads around me, so temptation is high....
I'd rather spend an extra $10 on gas so long as it means I get home 5 minutes earlier :lol I'll be in the left lane the whole way home.
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I've definitely been trying to stretch my mileage a bit. Since BMWs have always had economy gauges right there on the dash it's pretty easy to re-train yourself to drive more efficiently, and it does make a small difference. My problem is that even though I'm only about 7 miles from work, it's directly SW across all NSEW streets. Tons of turns and starts and stops. Traditionally I only get about 14mpg on that drive, hence the re-learning. I'll be forced to move in a few months, but that's likely to only make matters worse.
My new Kia has a little meter that tells me my current mpg as well as the cumulative for the trip... I was way too obsessed with it today. :lol
Yeah, it's actually incredibly useful for the times you care. Driving like a maniac is really more my thing, and I do that at the expense of gas and tires, but right now I'm on a quest to maximize my mileage.
I should be joining you guys in this, but I'm not sure I can control myself. Maybe if the roads were empty so I could do cruise control, but I'm just so impatient with all the terrible drivers around here.
I'm in the same group as well; I WANT to be frugal and responsible, but I have a good driving car, and a lot of curving roads around me, so temptation is high....
I'd rather spend an extra $10 on gas so long as it means I get home 5 minutes earlier :lol I'll be in the left lane the whole way home.
My commute is essentially fixed. Spirited driving doesn't really effect my travel time. What it does is make me happy, and I'm still quite willing to downshift and floor it through a yellow light. Where I'm shaving MPG is how I accelerate away from every damn stop sign and pointless light I have to stop at. Getting from one stop sign to the next two seconds quicker doesn't really accomplish anything. If driving 70+ were an option I'd be all over it.
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So glad I work from home. Gas prices are around $4.50 a gallon by me. I went to the store on Tuesday to pick a few things up and was shocked. Certain food items that I always buy were somehow a dollar more than they were a week or two ago. This feels like price gauging to me right now.
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I went to the local costco today for lunch and get gas.... the gas line was INSANE so just got lunch. Costco has the best gas prices, but not sure it's worht the 30 minute wait it looked like it would be. Got gas down the street for $4.27 today which I thought was a pretty good price (all things considered) and no wait.
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The Racetrack around the corner from the shop is how I've been gauging prices, and it's actually been going down. Think it was 3.85/g this morning.
And yeah, people who freak out over slightly cheaper gas are a trip. Saving 10¢ a gallon doesn't really make a huge difference, and if you have to sit and idle for half an hour to get it you're eating into that already small savings.
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$4.49
Painful!
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Another interesting aspect to gas shortages is that those of us who drive cars requiring higher octane typically get hit a little less than people who use the cheapest gas possible. It seems to me like when prices increase the gap between 87, 89, 93 narrows a bit. I bounce back and forth between mid and premium largely depending on what the difference is, and when I have to fill up next time premium will almost certainly be the winner. I'm not sure if that's actually rational or not, but since pricing based on octane is an artificial construct anyway, I feel better only paying 40¢ more vs 80¢ as it often is.
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Station nearest to me jumped from 5.89 to 6.29 overnight, Chevron and a Shell kitty corner to each other. Safeway down the street where I usually go was at 5.19.
Another interesting aspect to gas shortages is that those of us who drive cars requiring higher octane typically get hit a little less than people who use the cheapest gas possible. It seems to me like when prices increase the gap between 87, 89, 93 narrows a bit. I bounce back and forth between mid and premium largely depending on what the difference is, and when I have to fill up next time premium will almost certainly be the winner. I'm not sure if that's actually rational or not, but since pricing based on octane is an artificial construct anyway, I feel better only paying 40¢ more vs 80¢ as it often is.
I've been noticing that, the gap between them is getting smaller and smaller.
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My question is when will the gas prices start stabilizing? Note, I'm not asking when it will go down, but rather, when will it stop going up?
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Another interesting aspect to gas shortages is that those of us who drive cars requiring higher octane typically get hit a little less than people who use the cheapest gas possible. It seems to me like when prices increase the gap between 87, 89, 93 narrows a bit. I bounce back and forth between mid and premium largely depending on what the difference is, and when I have to fill up next time premium will almost certainly be the winner. I'm not sure if that's actually rational or not, but since pricing based on octane is an artificial construct anyway, I feel better only paying 40¢ more vs 80¢ as it often is.
My coworker in downtown LA shared a pic of the gas station nearby and it was a 2 cent change between regular mid and premium. However regular was 6.92 lol insane but yeah at that point just get premium.
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Another interesting aspect to gas shortages is that those of us who drive cars requiring higher octane typically get hit a little less than people who use the cheapest gas possible. It seems to me like when prices increase the gap between 87, 89, 93 narrows a bit. I bounce back and forth between mid and premium largely depending on what the difference is, and when I have to fill up next time premium will almost certainly be the winner. I'm not sure if that's actually rational or not, but since pricing based on octane is an artificial construct anyway, I feel better only paying 40¢ more vs 80¢ as it often is.
I've seen this up in the Northeast as well.
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Premium gas is in much lower demand so it makes sense that the gaps are smaller between grades at this point. I can't use regular or even mid-grade gas in my car because it's supercharged. Before the gas hikes, high octane was about 50c more than regular. I could offset the difference with fuel points. However, it's been 3 weeks since I filled up and I'm not sure what the difference in price is now where I live.
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Australia is up to $2.20 a litre. That's about $8.15 a gallon.
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A block of Cafe Bustello coffee jumped from $4.99 to over $8. Crazy stuff happening.
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Oil tanked over 8% today, finished under 100/barrel. Let's see how long that takes to be reflected at the pump.
Lady being interviewed earlier made a comment that summed stuff up real nicely.... "There is no shortage of oil, the price of oil is rising because the people who profit of trading in oil are taking advantage of our fear of running out of oil."
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Oil tanked over 8% today, finished under 100/barrel. Let's see how long that takes to be reflected at the pump.
Lady being interviewed earlier made a comment that summed stuff up real nicely.... "There is no shortage of oil, the price of oil is rising because the people who profit of trading in oil are taking advantage of our fear of running out of oil."
Not surprising.
On other inflation related pain, the COVID outbreaks in China are going to potentially impact the supply chain yet again - everything from "computer chips to chocolate" in the article I read. I'd also read last week that Ukraine and Russia both supply a lot of wheat to Europe and (obvs) the former isn't planting too many crops at the moment; the latter won't be able to sell any. Future prices of breads and animal feed are likely to increase. The UN is actually warning of a worldwide shortage of food (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/14/ukraine-invasion-worldwide-food-crisis-warns-un)
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Oil tanked over 8% today, finished under 100/barrel. Let's see how long that takes to be reflected at the pump.
Lady being interviewed earlier made a comment that summed stuff up real nicely.... "There is no shortage of oil, the price of oil is rising because the people who profit of trading in oil are taking advantage of our fear of running out of oil."
Not surprising.
On other inflation related pain, the COVID outbreaks in China are going to potentially impact the supply chain yet again - everything from "computer chips to chocolate" in the article I read. I'd also read last week that Ukraine and Russia both supply a lot of wheat to Europe and (obvs) the former isn't planting too many crops at the moment; the latter won't be able to sell any. Future prices of breads and animal feed are likely to increase. The UN is actually warning of a worldwide shortage of food (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/14/ukraine-invasion-worldwide-food-crisis-warns-un)
I'm sure it'll end up being Biden's fault.
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Oil tanked over 8% today, finished under 100/barrel. Let's see how long that takes to be reflected at the pump.
Lady being interviewed earlier made a comment that summed stuff up real nicely.... "There is no shortage of oil, the price of oil is rising because the people who profit of trading in oil are taking advantage of our fear of running out of oil."
Not surprising.
On other inflation related pain, the COVID outbreaks in China are going to potentially impact the supply chain yet again - everything from "computer chips to chocolate" in the article I read. I'd also read last week that Ukraine and Russia both supply a lot of wheat to Europe and (obvs) the former isn't planting too many crops at the moment; the latter won't be able to sell any. Future prices of breads and animal feed are likely to increase. The UN is actually warning of a worldwide shortage of food (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/14/ukraine-invasion-worldwide-food-crisis-warns-un)
I'm sure it'll end up being Biden's fault.
Isn't everything.
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Oil tanked over 8% today, finished under 100/barrel. Let's see how long that takes to be reflected at the pump.
Lady being interviewed earlier made a comment that summed stuff up real nicely.... "There is no shortage of oil, the price of oil is rising because the people who profit of trading in oil are taking advantage of our fear of running out of oil."
Not surprising.
On other inflation related pain, the COVID outbreaks in China are going to potentially impact the supply chain yet again - everything from "computer chips to chocolate" in the article I read. I'd also read last week that Ukraine and Russia both supply a lot of wheat to Europe and (obvs) the former isn't planting too many crops at the moment; the latter won't be able to sell any. Future prices of breads and animal feed are likely to increase. The UN is actually warning of a worldwide shortage of food (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/14/ukraine-invasion-worldwide-food-crisis-warns-un)
I'm sure it'll end up being Biden's fault.
Isn't everything.
If my FB news feed is reliable, he certainly is.
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Dude in the radio described gas prices as rockets and feathers... They go up like a rocket and come down like a feather.
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Dude in the radio described gas prices as rockets and feathers... They go up like a rocket and come down like a feather.
That's true.
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I had to mute my family group text because all it was turning into was an ongoing $#%&*-fest of blaming every ill of the world on Biden. And while I don't doubt Biden is just as skilled at making a bad situations worse as any politician, it was getting to be too much. Unfortunately, I made the mistake of announcing this, and woke up to a tirade of "ignorance is bliss" messages from my brother :lol
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Dude in the radio described gas prices as rockets and feathers... They go up like a rocket and come down like a feather.
It's actually been my experience that gas prices are one of the very few things that really respond well to market forces. Remember, this is an area where we charge 3.299/10 because people will drive down the street rather than get ripped off to the tune of $3.30. :lol Once one station lowers their price they all will, and somebody's always trying to be the cheapest.
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4.49 a gallon. So much for releasing from the strategic oil reserves.
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4.49 a gallon. So much for releasing from the strategic oil reserves.
Saw it for 6.29 at one place yesterday. My go to is sitting at 5.39.
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It's 2004/05 all over again. Went from paying 1.09 for a gallon of house oil to 4.65 in one year.
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It's 2004/05 all over again. Went from paying 1.09 for a gallon of house oil to 4.65 in one year.
I remember that well. I just started college and could barely afford gas. I was doing a ton of walking back then.
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It's over $2/L in these here parts - first time ever.
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Feels awesome to be building all this back better.
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Feels awesome to be building all this back better.
I've had some thoughts about this too, but I didn't want to turn this thread into a political one. But suffice to say that I believe this would not have been happening if Trump were president.
This is the oil companies operating with no threat from anyone in power. Trump would've had the CEOs in the oval office and threatened the shit out of them, especially with the mid terms coming up. Biden and the Dems simply don't have their shit together, and well, the Repubs are simply looking the other way....at least until the elections.
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Feels awesome to be building all this back better.
I've had some thoughts about this too, but I didn't want to turn this thread into a political one. But suffice to say that I believe this would not have been happening if Trump were president.
This is the oil companies operating with no threat from anyone in power. Trump would've had the CEOs in the oval office and threatened the shit out of them, especially with the mid terms coming up. Biden and the Dems simply don't have their shit together, and well, the Repubs are simply looking the other way....at least until the elections.
Yeah. This is certainly a P/R topic. I’ve avoided P/R and all those threads simply due to not wanting to be lectured for suggesting this President, his administration and their policies are an utter joke. Don’t need to waste the time or energy on it being those that frequent P/R know where I stand as I they.
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Feels awesome to be building all this back better.
I've had some thoughts about this too, but I didn't want to turn this thread into a political one. But suffice to say that I believe this would not have been happening if Trump were president.
This is the oil companies operating with no threat from anyone in power. Trump would've had the CEOs in the oval office and threatened the shit out of them, especially with the mid terms coming up. Biden and the Dems simply don't have their shit together, and well, the Repubs are simply looking the other way....at least until the elections.
If Trump were president he wouldn't need to call any CEOs into his office. They'd be playing nice just to keep him there. I think you're somewhat on point about what's happening, but not why. It's no secret oil companies would prefer a GOP president, and this is [in part] them trying to get what they want. Suffice it to say, Biden does threaten them by way of his policies. Trump would bend over backwards for them. And in the meantime you've got the GOP that will do whatever it can to make sure prices remain high. Mitch McConnell is the last man on Earth that wants lower gas prices right now.
Also worth noting is that US oil production remains quite high (https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrfpus2&f=m). Higher than Trump's last year in office, in fact. Biden's policies haven't hurt them, to the extent he's even been able to implement them. Aside from the political component, I think most of this is the oil companies making up for lost profits they incurred during the plague. It's a win/win. They get rich and make the democrat look bad. This chart pretty much shows you what's going on. They lost billions in 2019/20, and they're making it up in spectacular fashion now. Look how high those green bars are right now!
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/XOM/exxon/gross-profit
But, hey. Whatever makes people happy. Right? (https://compote.slate.com/images/24d4886a-5333-4476-83d0-479f190d515b.jpeg?width=780&height=520&rect=1560x1040&offset=0x0) :lol
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Feels awesome to be building all this back better.
Guess we'll never know if his plan would've worked since it didn't pass.
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Feels awesome to be building all this back better.
Guess we'll never know if his plan would've worked since it didn't pass.
How much money do you want the president to print? Inflation not high enough now?
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Feels awesome to be building all this back better.
Guess we'll never know if his plan would've worked since it didn't pass.
How much money do you want the president to print? Inflation not high enough now?
Build Back Better was mostly a jobs plan, with the majority of the income coming from taxes on corporations and the 1%.
And you do realize inflation isn't a uniquely USA phenomenon, right? It's inflating everywhere, with our current rate somewhere in the upper middle of the pack.
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Feels awesome to be building all this back better.
Guess we'll never know if his plan would've worked since it didn't pass.
How much money do you want the president to print? Inflation not high enough now?
Build Back Better was mostly a jobs plan, with the majority of the income coming from taxes on corporations and the 1%.
They should've called it Bernie Back Better. It's such a tired idea.
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Feels awesome to be building all this back better.
Guess we'll never know if his plan would've worked since it didn't pass.
How much money do you want the president to print? Inflation not high enough now?
Build Back Better was mostly a jobs plan, with the majority of the income coming from taxes on corporations and the 1%.
They should've called it Bernie Back Better. It's such a tired idea.
That has never actually been even attempted in any fashion, yet still ends up being the scapegoat for all of our woes. That's the tiresome part.
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I'd have to refresh, but it looked like a hell of a lot of spending which I'm not sure was actually supported with detailed streams of financing.
Thanks for chatting! :lol
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I'd have to refresh, but it looked like a hell of a lot of spending which I'm not sure was actually supported with detailed streams of financing.
Thanks for chatting! :lol
(https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/bernie_sanders_socialism.gif)
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Feels awesome to be building all this back better.
Guess we'll never know if his plan would've worked since it didn't pass.
How much money do you want the president to print? Inflation not high enough now?
Spoiler alert ... oil/gas is not immune to the effects of inflation. Therein lies part of the reason gas prices are so high. I'm pretty sure it's not the GOP/Dem/Biden decisions that are ravaging all countries globally over the price of gas. That finger could be more accurately pointed at Putin.
I think Barto has it more right. Yes, I do believe the O&G companies are fleecing their customers to some extent, but it's mostly economics 101 ... supply and demand drive prices more than anything else. And it's a double-doozy when supply shrinks while demand increases. THAT is the biggest and fundamental driver of price increases.
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I'd have to refresh, but it looked like a hell of a lot of spending which I'm not sure was actually supported with detailed streams of financing.
Thanks for chatting! :lol
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:rollin :rollin
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From an EU perspective, gas prices and inflation are a problem everywhere. War with significant sanctions that affect the world economy (thus a lot of tradepartners of the US as well), a fallout from the two year pandemic etc. I am no economist, but there are many global issues going on that affect every country.
Policies of politicians offcourse matter (a lot). But the effects of those policies are often hard to evaluate short term and politicians can't do miracles, regardless of the political spectrum of the current leaders.
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Well insofar as some kind of massive infrastructure push could greatly increase the investments in public infrastructure (like transportation) and renewables, I'd be totally fine with the spending, even if it meant some inflation, because both would be putting us in a better position lessening dependency on fossil fuels. But considering BBB had gutted all that out, and it didn't pass to begin with, it just goes to show you how easy people buy into narratives without understanding the facts.
Which, BTW, what about the Russian sanctions? Apparently, no one is allowed to oppose anything about the war with Russia or criticize the sanctions in the public sphere, so I guess not... but surely, that has something to do with the $5 gas, too?
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Two more components having a significant impact on prices: One is the trading market. A ship can leave Dubai full of oil, and be sold 5 times before it arrives to its eventual destination. Each of those sales naturally causes an increase in the price. There's a massive amount of volatility in the market right now. Second is refinery capacity. America has plenty of refineries, but we've made a big shift in the type of crude we're getting. The crude we got from OPEC is different from the crude we're fracking out of the Permian Basin, and we don't have much capacity to refine that into gasoline. And for some reason the oil companies don't seem particularly interested in spending tens of billions on new refinery capabilities. Better to just pocket that money now.
But, as always, better to just slap a sticker on gas pumps and use it as an electioneering tool. "Merika, fuck yeah!"
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Two more components having a significant impact on prices: One is the trading market. A ship can leave Dubai full of oil, and be sold 5 times before it arrives to its eventual destination. Each of those sales naturally causes an increase in the price. There's a massive amount of volatility in the market right now. Second is refinery capacity. America has plenty of refineries, but we've made a big shift in the type of crude we're getting. The crude we got from OPEC is different from the crude we're fracking out of the Permian Basin, and we don't have much capacity to refine that into gasoline. And for some reason the oil companies don't seem particularly interested in spending tens of billions on new refinery capabilities. Better to just pocket that money now.
But, as always, better to just slap a sticker on gas pumps and use it as an electioneering tool. "Merika, fuck yeah!"
Thank you.
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Build Back Better was basically fully paid for with taxes and was also never even passed, so calling it 'printing money' and blaming it for inflation is kind of insane. It's kind of like when the Green New Deal somehow caused power blackouts in Texas. Also, where were the 'printing money' complaints when Trump was running up huge deficits? Was I just deaf back then, or was no one saying anything? Weird.
Also the idea that Trump would have done jack shit about this is kind of insane to me. Like how he handled the coronavirus? Or, better parallel, like he tried to bully Iran into not refining uranium by leaving the JCPOA and accomplished exactly nothing? It's amazing to me how quickly people are willing to forget just how incompetent the guy was, as well as completely uninterested in anything that didn't benefit him personally.
I mean I guess there's an argument that he wouldn't have rallied Europe together to impose sanctions on Russia like Biden did, and he probably resists any attempt to aid Ukraine, so maybe things get wrapped up over there quicker.
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Build Back Better was basically fully paid for with taxes and was also never even passed, so calling it 'printing money' and blaming it for inflation is kind of insane. It's kind of like when the Green New Deal somehow caused power blackouts in Texas. Also, where were the 'printing money' complaints when Trump was running up huge deficits? Was I just deaf back then, or was no one saying anything? Weird.
Also the idea that Trump would have done jack shit about this is kind of insane to me. Like how he handled the coronavirus? Or, better parallel, like he tried to bully Iran into not refining uranium by leaving the JCPOA and accomplished exactly nothing? It's amazing to me how quickly people are willing to forget just how incompetent the guy was, as well as completely uninterested in anything that didn't benefit him personally.
I mean I guess there's an argument that he wouldn't have rallied Europe together to impose sanctions on Russia like Biden did, and he probably resists any attempt to aid Ukraine, so maybe things get wrapped up over there quicker.
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Exactly! And people actually buying into this rhetoric is a whole new level of mania that is just inexplicable!
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I mean I guess there's an argument that he wouldn't have rallied Europe together to impose sanctions on Russia like Biden did, and he probably resists any attempt to aid Ukraine, so maybe things get wrapped up over there quicker.
That's an interesting angle that I hadn't considered.
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But, as always, better to just slap a sticker on gas pumps and use it as an electioneering tool. "Merika, fuck yeah!"
I like the sticker with Maduro's face on it that says "I did that!" when it goes back down.
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I had to mute my family group text because all it was turning into was an ongoing $#%&*-fest of blaming every ill of the world on Biden. And while I don't doubt Biden is just as skilled at making a bad situations worse as any politician, it was getting to be too much. Unfortunately, I made the mistake of announcing this, and woke up to a tirade of "ignorance is bliss" messages from my brother :lol
Memories are, apparently, short. I don't at all feel bad for Biden, since that's the price of leading people who don't know what the hell they are talking about. Because three years ago, everything was tRump's fault (and to some, still is). And eight years ago, everything was OBummer's fault (and to some, still is). And before that... that's the way the party politics cookie crumbles. There are few things that the sitting President is ACTUALLY accountable for, at least in real time. It so happens, though, that fuel prices (specifically) and inflation (generally) CAN be one of those few things.
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Feels awesome to be building all this back better.
Guess we'll never know if his plan would've worked since it didn't pass.
How much money do you want the president to print? Inflation not high enough now?
Build Back Better was mostly a jobs plan, with the majority of the income coming from taxes on corporations and the 1%.
Which is why it failed (and rightly so). This myth that the world's economy should be or can be fueled by corporate taxes, or punishing the rich is a disaster waiting to happen. It persists, though, because it plays perfectly into the bitterness and jealousy that populates the middle class in America, but it doesn't ACTUALLY work (https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesfinancecouncil/2021/05/18/how-increasingly-taxing-the-1-and-corporations-can-hurt-the-economy/?sh=1049801f6bd9).
"...increasing corporate tax or taking measures that make the U.S. a less ideal corporate climate has historically led to economic disadvantages down the road. Already, corporations have been relocating to more business-friendly tax climates in states such as Florida and Nevada."
"High [tax] rates cause capital to be moved out of the corporate world, which results in decreased wages and places the tax burden on working Americans, according to Harvard Business Review."
"According to the U.S. Treasury, the TCJA [Trump's Tax Cuts and Jobs Act] was successful in putting more money into the pockets of Americans."
Common sense says tax corporations and the rich so that the middle class doesn't have to pay as much, but "Common Sense" is neither "common" nor "sense" (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-power-prime/201107/common-sense-is-neither-common-nor-sense).
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Two more components having a significant impact on prices: One is the trading market. A ship can leave Dubai full of oil, and be sold 5 times before it arrives to its eventual destination. Each of those sales naturally causes an increase in the price. There's a massive amount of volatility in the market right now. Second is refinery capacity. America has plenty of refineries, but we've made a big shift in the type of crude we're getting. The crude we got from OPEC is different from the crude we're fracking out of the Permian Basin, and we don't have much capacity to refine that into gasoline. And for some reason the oil companies don't seem particularly interested in spending tens of billions on new refinery capabilities. Better to just pocket that money now.
But, as always, better to just slap a sticker on gas pumps and use it as an electioneering tool. "Merika, fuck yeah!"
(Not responding to you personally; I know you know this already, but for the rest of the group), well, duh; that expense is a multi-year, maybe even DECADE long investment. You can't have your cake and eat it too. What many don't realize is that 20, 30, whatever many years from now, when we're getting our energy from wind, solar, nuclear and the friction of butt cheeks from the American obese, the companies SELLING that energy are going to be.......... Exxon, Mobil, Shell, Sunoco. They have the resources to effect that change for the general population. They are not going to roll over and die just because some enterprising old Senator, or enterprising young Representative says they should. I can guarantee you they are working now in collaboration with the OTHER big companies they now partner with - the GE's, the Siemens' - to formulate the grids of the future, and they WILL be a part of it. So to expect them to 1) maintain current energy production at current consumption levels, 2) migrate to clean energy over an aggressive period, AND 3) to upgrade current production to cutting edge levels over the next couple decades... it's a null set answer. The math doesn't work.
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Build Back Better was basically fully paid for with taxes and was also never even passed, so calling it 'printing money' and blaming it for inflation is kind of insane. It's kind of like when the Green New Deal somehow caused power blackouts in Texas. Also, where were the 'printing money' complaints when Trump was running up huge deficits? Was I just deaf back then, or was no one saying anything? Weird.
Also the idea that Trump would have done jack shit about this is kind of insane to me. Like how he handled the coronavirus? Or, better parallel, like he tried to bully Iran into not refining uranium by leaving the JCPOA and accomplished exactly nothing? It's amazing to me how quickly people are willing to forget just how incompetent the guy was, as well as completely uninterested in anything that didn't benefit him personally.
I mean I guess there's an argument that he wouldn't have rallied Europe together to impose sanctions on Russia like Biden did, and he probably resists any attempt to aid Ukraine, so maybe things get wrapped up over there quicker.
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Exactly! And people actually buying into this rhetoric is a whole new level of mania that is just inexplicable!
Look, the partisan sparring gets us nowhere and you look like shills for the current administration. You both know full fucking well that nothing is that black and white. Trump "did nothing" no more than Biden "is doing nothing" and vice versa. It's not the actual bill that causes inflation, it's the thinking behind that type of bill that fuels hundreds of decisions at the agency level - and thus doesn't need a "law" to be in place - every day. And I think (I hope, anyway, since it's basic civics) that you know that.
(One difference - of several differences, by the way - between Trump's "printing money" and Biden's "printing money" is not at the government level, which most people don't understand and therefore don't give a rat's ass about, but rather at the personal level; while Trump was allegedly "printing money", the stock market was flush and many of the people asked to look the other way were reaping the benefits. Not so much now.)
And if you're going to give billshot credit to the sitting President for accomplishments that he/she had nothing to do with other than being the sitting President, then rightly or wrongly, Trump gets credit for the rollout of the vaccine during COVID, no small accomplishment. I know it's against code to give Trump credit for ANYTHING - Deplorable! - but fair is fair.
The real point is El Barto's: we love in America to reduce everything to a bumper sticker, a partisan calling card, but that isn't solving the problem and in fact, if the last 20 years is any indication, it's making it worse minute by minute. Our economic problems are NOT "political party" problems. Russia, China, the EU, Africa, don't give a flat crap about whether a policy is a "Democratic" one or a "Republican" one, and the vast majority of Americans don't know or care about that fact. To them EVERYTHING is about the little "R" or "D" after the name of the person who said it.
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Feels awesome to be building all this back better.
Guess we'll never know if his plan would've worked since it didn't pass.
How much money do you want the president to print? Inflation not high enough now?
Build Back Better was mostly a jobs plan, with the majority of the income coming from taxes on corporations and the 1%.
Which is why it failed (and rightly so). This myth that the world's economy should be or can be fueled by corporate taxes, or punishing the rich is a disaster waiting to happen. It persists, though, because it plays perfectly into the bitterness and jealousy that populates the middle class in America, but it doesn't ACTUALLY work (https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesfinancecouncil/2021/05/18/how-increasingly-taxing-the-1-and-corporations-can-hurt-the-economy/?sh=1049801f6bd9).
"...increasing corporate tax or taking measures that make the U.S. a less ideal corporate climate has historically led to economic disadvantages down the road. Already, corporations have been relocating to more business-friendly tax climates in states such as Florida and Nevada."
"High [tax] rates cause capital to be moved out of the corporate world, which results in decreased wages and places the tax burden on working Americans, according to Harvard Business Review."
"According to the U.S. Treasury, the TCJA [Trump's Tax Cuts and Jobs Act] was successful in putting more money into the pockets of Americans."
Common sense says tax corporations and the rich so that the middle class doesn't have to pay as much, but "Common Sense" is neither "common" nor "sense" (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-power-prime/201107/common-sense-is-neither-common-nor-sense).
What I'm trying to say is blaming current inflation on a plan that never went into effect is stupid at best.
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Feels awesome to be building all this back better.
Guess we'll never know if his plan would've worked since it didn't pass.
How much money do you want the president to print? Inflation not high enough now?
Build Back Better was mostly a jobs plan, with the majority of the income coming from taxes on corporations and the 1%.
Which is why it failed (and rightly so). This myth that the world's economy should be or can be fueled by corporate taxes, or punishing the rich is a disaster waiting to happen. It persists, though, because it plays perfectly into the bitterness and jealousy that populates the middle class in America, but it doesn't ACTUALLY work (https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesfinancecouncil/2021/05/18/how-increasingly-taxing-the-1-and-corporations-can-hurt-the-economy/?sh=1049801f6bd9).
"...increasing corporate tax or taking measures that make the U.S. a less ideal corporate climate has historically led to economic disadvantages down the road. Already, corporations have been relocating to more business-friendly tax climates in states such as Florida and Nevada."
"High [tax] rates cause capital to be moved out of the corporate world, which results in decreased wages and places the tax burden on working Americans, according to Harvard Business Review."
"According to the U.S. Treasury, the TCJA [Trump's Tax Cuts and Jobs Act] was successful in putting more money into the pockets of Americans."
Common sense says tax corporations and the rich so that the middle class doesn't have to pay as much, but "Common Sense" is neither "common" nor "sense" (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-power-prime/201107/common-sense-is-neither-common-nor-sense).
What I'm trying to say is blaming current inflation on a plan that never went into effect is stupid at best.
I'll give you that.
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You've also given him another quote for his sig. :lol
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You've also given him another quote for his sig. :lol
:lol
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Dad just got his tank filled for 109 gallons. $609.90. Crazy.
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Dad just got his tank filled for 109 gallons. $609.90. Crazy.
Wtf has a 109 gallon tank?
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Dad just got his tank filled for 109 gallons. $609.90. Crazy.
Wtf has a 109 gallon tank?
I'm pretty sure the motorhome my aunt and uncle have is in excess of 100 gallons.
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Feels awesome to be building all this back better.
Guess we'll never know if his plan would've worked since it didn't pass.
How much money do you want the president to print? Inflation not high enough now?
Build Back Better was mostly a jobs plan, with the majority of the income coming from taxes on corporations and the 1%.
Which is why it failed (and rightly so). This myth that the world's economy should be or can be fueled by corporate taxes, or punishing the rich is a disaster waiting to happen. It persists, though, because it plays perfectly into the bitterness and jealousy that populates the middle class in America, but it doesn't ACTUALLY work (https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesfinancecouncil/2021/05/18/how-increasingly-taxing-the-1-and-corporations-can-hurt-the-economy/?sh=1049801f6bd9).
"...increasing corporate tax or taking measures that make the U.S. a less ideal corporate climate has historically led to economic disadvantages down the road. Already, corporations have been relocating to more business-friendly tax climates in states such as Florida and Nevada."
"High [tax] rates cause capital to be moved out of the corporate world, which results in decreased wages and places the tax burden on working Americans, according to Harvard Business Review."
"According to the U.S. Treasury, the TCJA [Trump's Tax Cuts and Jobs Act] was successful in putting more money into the pockets of Americans."
Common sense says tax corporations and the rich so that the middle class doesn't have to pay as much, but "Common Sense" is neither "common" nor "sense" (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-power-prime/201107/common-sense-is-neither-common-nor-sense).
What I'm trying to say is blaming current inflation on a plan that never went into effect is stupid at best.
I'll give you that.
Exactly and I was trying to say that people spreading this false narrative (blaming a plan that never went into effect) along with other wild "theories" is insane but I got labeled a shrill. ???
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Dad just got his tank filled for 109 gallons. $609.90. Crazy.
Wtf has a 109 gallon tank?
Auto monthly refill.
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Dad just got his tank filled for 109 gallons. $609.90. Crazy.
Wtf has a 109 gallon tank?
I'm pretty sure the motorhome my aunt and uncle have is in excess of 100 gallons.
Damn...
Dad just got his tank filled for 109 gallons. $609.90. Crazy.
Wtf has a 109 gallon tank?
Auto monthly refill.
Still confused
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"According to the U.S. Treasury, the TCJA [Trump's Tax Cuts and Jobs Act] was successful in putting more money into the pockets of Americans."
I'd like a word with the people at the Treasury. That plan was nothing but pain for my family. Several of my friends families as well. We were just having a bull session about that piece of crap bill not too long ago.
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Dad just got his tank filled for 109 gallons. $609.90. Crazy.
Wtf has a 109 gallon tank?
I'm pretty sure the motorhome my aunt and uncle have is in excess of 100 gallons.
Damn...
Dad just got his tank filled for 109 gallons. $609.90. Crazy.
Wtf has a 109 gallon tank?
Auto monthly refill.
Still confused
I'm assuming it's the tank buried in the ground for home heating. SrShmegland prolly lives in an old fucking house.
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Oil tank?
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250 gallon oil tank for the house. His oil company comes and refills monthly for 7 month of the year. So it only needed 109 gallons this month.
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Ok... We in California are completely oblivious to such things... If it drops below 40 here we're declaring an emergency.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/HsFMSvS1/FB-IMG-1653005035924.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xcyq85D6)
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I went out yesterday and saw nothing but $5.15 a gallon. Yeah, oil prices have mostly returned to normal, the gas companies are setting profit records, but this is totally necessary. Please.
My wife barely makes anything now because her income goes into her gas tank.
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Capitalism is always a beautiful thing. The company CEOs probably had to wait during the really bad parts of the pandemic to buy that second yacht and fourth summer home...... (same with all the other price gouging money grubbers out there)
I remember the fall of '08 when gas hit $4.80 in Maryland. My '98 Camry got around 25-30 MPG.
With inflation, that $4.80 would equal $6.37 at present. My '05 Corolla gets between 33-40 MPG. I'm still ahead of the game, and I think I was only refilling my tank about every six weeks two years ago.
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When gas prices are low: The price of gas is artificially low, we should be paying more!
When gas prices are high: The price of gas is artificially high, we should be paying less!
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A jar of mayo was $7.49 yesterday. I think maybe it's time for mustard only on my sammich.
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A jar of mayo was $7.49 yesterday. I think maybe it's time for mustard only on my sammich.
Price gouging everywhere.
Make your own mayo. It's just egg and oil......
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Choice grade New York strips are up to $16lb, and ribeyes are approaching $20lb where I'm at. FOR CHOICE!
Am heartbroken.
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Choice grade New York strips are up to $16lb, and ribeyes are approaching $20lb where I'm at. FOR CHOICE!
Am heartbroken.
Time to learn how to jazz up cube steak
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Choice grade New York strips are up to $16lb, and ribeyes are approaching $20lb where I'm at. FOR CHOICE!
Am heartbroken.
Time to learn how to jazz up cube steak
I've been doing what I can with chuck, but it's just not the same. I've never heard of cube steak.
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Choice grade New York strips are up to $16lb, and ribeyes are approaching $20lb where I'm at. FOR CHOICE!
Am heartbroken.
Time to learn how to jazz up cube steak
I've been doing what I can with chuck, but it's just not the same. I've never heard of cube steak.
Pound your meat Brian.
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Choice grade New York strips are up to $16lb, and ribeyes are approaching $20lb where I'm at. FOR CHOICE!
Am heartbroken.
Time to learn how to jazz up cube steak
I've been doing what I can with chuck, but it's just not the same. I've never heard of cube steak.
Cube steak is a shitty pieces of round or sirloin that's passed through an industrial tenderizer. It's mainly used for chicken fried steak, and is usually as cheap as low end ground beef.
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Does RJ still have the parents tenderizer mallet from the 60's?
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Does RJ still have the parents tenderizer mallet from the 60's?
If he doesn't he bought one. Who doesn't own a tenderizer? A flat side for pounding cutlets and the nubby side for cubing steaks for CFS (or swiss steak).
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It's funny, I don't own one because I'm not a steak guy. Though I love chicken cutlets.
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I don't own a tenderizer. I just use a rolling pin if I need to flatten a cut of meat. I prefer using marinades and rubs to tenderize.
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I have mighty Mjolnir as my tenderizer, courtesy of last year's DTF Secret Santa...
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81rpb1FCDDL._AC_SX466_.jpg)
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Have you tried using it yet? I hope you liked it. ;)
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We have a tenderizer.
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Have you tried using it yet? I hope you liked it. ;)
Nah...it's decorative...it's sitting with my Marvel Lego...
(https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/281689764_525352472644553_4430025737734537213_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=9mlDbP7Gnk4AX_3iEed&_nc_oc=AQlL16S8-aJhpgrFalfnWa3fnP7ReUjFkCkbMStCRbDvFWNFem0T-AFvLMhWtH0BWwsxNl9Gn7jVBBoUvky9ROEx&tn=zapGj62jgnYuYGF5&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=03_AVIntTWpxHxc39za6qSxgIH20D2dVOgHcUnAhdxaF8rg3g&oe=62B387F8)
(had zero clue you sent it...thank you :-* )
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I'd love to know what happened yesterday. I had to go out after work and knew I needed gas. I checked Gas Buddy and everything was between $4.69 to $5.09 with most being updated roughly 2 hours prior. By the time I went out it was 4-5 hours after those updates. I drove to the $4.69 station only to find it at $5.09. I skipped it. I drive up to the others and they are all $5.55 and up.
What the heck caused this ridiculous increase? I mean, I was last out a week ago and the prices were all around $4.50. In a 7 day stretch this area went up a full dollar.
I saw no stories of refineries going up in flames or whatever. This is getting out of hand really quick. Now that I think about it, I wonder if the EU banning Ruskie oil caused this. I don't know, it is becoming too expensive to leave the house for anything. I really plan my trips now so I am not running out quite as much. A trip to and from the store for me will burn around 2 gallons. That's $10 just to run to the store. I try to keep it to a minimum now.
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It's a combination of demand for petroleum massively increasing as a result of pandemic restrictions lifting and supply being restricted by the Russian War and its associated sanctions. Supply chains are f**ked in pretty much every sector, its not just oil.
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Demoncrats blaming it on the war. :lol :rollin :lol
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Demoncrats blaming it on the war. :lol :rollin :lol
I think they're blaming it on supply (both availability and movement), to which the war is playing a role in those.
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471 to 4.89 here. Every day is a new record high.
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Demoncrats blaming it on the war. :lol :rollin :lol
I think they're blaming it on supply (both availability and movement), to which the war is playing a role in those.
The supply is pretty much fine in the US. We get most oil domestically these days, but even though the US does not depend on much Russian oil, it's a global market. The war is reducing supply in the EU, which is driving up prices worldwide.
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(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/285294831_10159777345023168_5736683392054960374_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=QuZteBxWrKIAX8nUJ4i&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=00_AT8PIVV5Tq-_GjDGZmC7RznmoS7lPI6tsIxc0lhGCR80Ug&oe=629CEFF9)
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I'd love to know what happened yesterday. I had to go out after work and knew I needed gas. I checked Gas Buddy and everything was between $4.69 to $5.09 with most being updated roughly 2 hours prior. By the time I went out it was 4-5 hours after those updates. I drove to the $4.69 station only to find it at $5.09. I skipped it. I drive up to the others and they are all $5.55 and up.
What the heck caused this ridiculous increase? I mean, I was last out a week ago and the prices were all around $4.50. In a 7 day stretch this area went up a full dollar.
I saw no stories of refineries going up in flames or whatever. This is getting out of hand really quick. Now that I think about it, I wonder if the EU banning Ruskie oil caused this. I don't know, it is becoming too expensive to leave the house for anything. I really plan my trips now so I am not running out quite as much. A trip to and from the store for me will burn around 2 gallons. That's $10 just to run to the store. I try to keep it to a minimum now.
Last two times I've filled up I saved about .30 just by hitting the stations that hadn't jacked up their prices yet. One of them rolled the signs up .35 while I was still pumping my gas. Seems there are always a few stations that lag behind the others. You'd think they'd all be controlled from the mothership somewhere, and thus all change at the same time, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
As for the refineries, that's still the problem. We've got oil. We don't have the capability to refine it all because the oil companies aren't spending money to upgrade their refineries.
Demoncrats blaming it on the war. :lol :rollin :lol
I think they're blaming it on supply (both availability and movement), to which the war is playing a role in those.
Hey, hey, just blame Biden (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q--iGgtRn8).
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I'm sure the gas companies reporting quadruple the profits from last year is just a coincidence...
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Demoncrats blaming it on the war. :lol :rollin :lol
I think they're blaming it on supply (both availability and movement), to which the war is playing a role in those.
The supply is pretty much fine in the US. We get most oil domestically these days, but even though the US does not depend on much Russian oil, it's a global market. The war is reducing supply in the EU, which is driving up prices worldwide.
This all started long before the war. Of course it's a contributor now, but it's not the root cause.
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I'm currently paying .09 for my electricity. That's up about .02 from the previous term. When I renew in six weeks (can't now because I have no idea where I'll be living) it'll be around .23. That's a 150% increase over six months. And in this case it's not so much the general inflation happening to everybody. It's Texas's failure to fix our power supply problems, and the electricity providers making up for the money they lost when they froze us all out last year. Just last month they were predicting "rolling blackouts" because of higher demand than capacity. Gods only know what'll happen in August. The only thing we do know is that the power companies will have us by the balls, because Texas only cares about their profits and we're all expendable. They'll turn a profit if it kills every last one of us.
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I'm currently paying .09 for my electricity. That's up about .02 from the previous term. When I renew in six weeks (can't now because I have no idea where I'll be living) it'll be around .23. That's a 150% increase over six months. And in this case it's not so much the general inflation happening to everybody. It's Texas's failure to fix our power supply problems, and the electricity providers making up for the money they lost when they froze us all out last year. Just last month they were predicting "rolling blackouts" because of higher demand than capacity. Gods only know what'll happen in August. The only thing we do know is that the power companies will have us by the balls, because Texas only cares about their profits and we're all expendable. They'll turn a profit if it kills every last one of us.
All this applies to Pg&e as well. They were found criminally liable in the 80+ deaths of one of the fires, and forced to pay massive fines. Their response. Raise rates. The ceo makes over 50 million dollars a year.
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As I complained about before, we are paying for the Texas debacle up here in Illinois. Natural gas was ridiculous. My town signs us all up for electricity via a provider other than our electric company. Roughly 2 months in to the last contract the provider canceled the contract because the rate they offered us would have destroyed their bottom line. We currently get everything through the electric company for now.
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And the problem is that there's nothing we can do about it. We're dependent upon electricity and gas for our very survival. It's not like gasoline, where we can drive less, or car pool, or whatever. It's not discretionary where we can choose to go without one night a week. It's not something we can cut back on to any reasonable extent, like groceries. There are solutions, but as is always the case, they really apply only to the people with the money to take advantage of them (solar, new windows, better insulation). I try to keep to a minimum things that really shouldn't be left to the private sector. Police/fire and healthcare are the two main things. I'm starting to think that deregulation of energy was a pretty big blunder, and letting people freeze or broil based on their ability to pay really shouldn't be a thing. And Texas proved quite well that supposed competition in the sector doesn't help us at all, as the providers are all insulated from any losses they might incur.
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And the problem is that there's nothing we can do about it. We're dependent upon electricity and gas for our very survival. It's not like gasoline, where we can drive less, or car pool, or whatever. It's not discretionary where we can choose to go without one night a week. It's not something we can cut back on to any reasonable extent, like groceries. There are solutions, but as is always the case, they really apply only to the people with the money to take advantage of them (solar, new windows, better insulation). I try to keep to a minimum things that really shouldn't be left to the private sector. Police/fire and healthcare are the two main things. I'm starting to think that deregulation of energy was a pretty big blunder, and letting people freeze or broil based on their ability to pay really shouldn't be a thing. And Texas proved quite well that supposed competition in the sector doesn't help us at all, as the providers are all insulated from any losses they might incur.
This is the current truth of reality for human survival. It was never like this in the past and humans have never been reliant on these sources for survival before.
What will happen when these resources falter and deplete? One will be that humans will resort to these older solutions of survival. That's human instinct of hunting and gathering, utilizing the surrounding ecosystem of the land to survive. Which is what many, many cultures were already utilizing before colonist intervention.
It's why I myself just sit back and watch it all collapse because I view it all as the consequences of humans relying on these resources and not on these other means for survival.
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And the problem is that there's nothing we can do about it. We're dependent upon electricity and gas for our very survival. It's not like gasoline, where we can drive less, or car pool, or whatever. It's not discretionary where we can choose to go without one night a week. It's not something we can cut back on to any reasonable extent, like groceries. There are solutions, but as is always the case, they really apply only to the people with the money to take advantage of them (solar, new windows, better insulation). I try to keep to a minimum things that really shouldn't be left to the private sector. Police/fire and healthcare are the two main things. I'm starting to think that deregulation of energy was a pretty big blunder, and letting people freeze or broil based on their ability to pay really shouldn't be a thing. And Texas proved quite well that supposed competition in the sector doesn't help us at all, as the providers are all insulated from any losses they might incur.
This is the current truth of reality for human survival. It was never like this in the past and humans have never been reliant on these sources for survival before.
What will happen when these resources falter and deplete? One will be that humans will resort to these older solutions of survival. That's human instinct of hunting and gathering, utilizing the surrounding ecosystem of the land to survive. Which is what many, many cultures were already utilizing before colonist intervention.
It's why I myself just sit back and watch it all collapse because I view it all as the consequences of humans relying on these resources and not on these other means for survival.
We let that happen, though. We're soft. The reality is, if power goes out, we CAN survive, but you'd never know it. Where would we find out how much people like us? Where would we get our validation? Where would we have our precious opinions affirmed?
We had power go out up here a couple years ago, and some people were down for up to 10 days. You'd think the world ended. Granted, it's also the sudden shock of it happening, so there wasn't time to prepare, but still.
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And the problem is that there's nothing we can do about it. We're dependent upon electricity and gas for our very survival. It's not like gasoline, where we can drive less, or car pool, or whatever. It's not discretionary where we can choose to go without one night a week. It's not something we can cut back on to any reasonable extent, like groceries. There are solutions, but as is always the case, they really apply only to the people with the money to take advantage of them (solar, new windows, better insulation). I try to keep to a minimum things that really shouldn't be left to the private sector. Police/fire and healthcare are the two main things. I'm starting to think that deregulation of energy was a pretty big blunder, and letting people freeze or broil based on their ability to pay really shouldn't be a thing. And Texas proved quite well that supposed competition in the sector doesn't help us at all, as the providers are all insulated from any losses they might incur.
This is the current truth of reality for human survival. It was never like this in the past and humans have never been reliant on these sources for survival before.
What will happen when these resources falter and deplete? One will be that humans will resort to these older solutions of survival. That's human instinct of hunting and gathering, utilizing the surrounding ecosystem of the land to survive. Which is what many, many cultures were already utilizing before colonist intervention.
It's why I myself just sit back and watch it all collapse because I view it all as the consequences of humans relying on these resources and not on these other means for survival.
We let that happen, though. We're soft. The reality is, if power goes out, we CAN survive, but you'd never know it. Where would we find out how much people like us? Where would we get our validation? Where would we have our precious opinions affirmed?
We had power go out up here a couple years ago, and some people were down for up to 10 days. You'd think the world ended. Granted, it's also the sudden shock of it happening, so there wasn't time to prepare, but still.
Exactly my point.
Humans have forgotten how to survive off of basic natural instinct. Which is hunting and gathering, and utilizing their surrounding natural ecosystem. Taking care of it so the water won't dry out, be poisoned, or become toxic. Humans used to know which plants were edible and not just considered weeds. Humans used to know to not take too much that the natural wild growth can replenish itself. Humans used to rely on this way of living, but now Humans rely on other means of supplying these things. There's reasons why Native Tribes were living in the places they chose to make their villages at.
So if humans want to rely on these depleting resources. The world will continue to get much worse in terms of "climate change" and it's effects on the ecosystem of the planet. Which effects all the resource humans rely upon.
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Got another email from the gas company. Increasing to another record high per therm. I was paying around $0.30 a therm in Jan '21. For June of '22 I will be paying $1.24 a therm.
Family complained when I had the heat lower than ever over the winter. If this keeps up, we might be wearing thermal undies and winter coats in the house next winter.
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Received a letter from the power company that due to fuel costs and the impact on running their power plants, our bill will be increasing about $65 a month. However the local news did a segment showing people's most recent bills and some of them tripled. Things just keep getting worse.
Also most gas stations here are just shy of the $5 mark so I expect by Friday we'll eclipse that number.
Seriously difficult and challenging times for the average Joe.
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The landscaping project we’re doing was quoted at $21/sq ft for the interlock stone back in April. Now, it’s $25. Seeing as how we’re doing about 1500 sq ft, that’s another $6k.
Gas is over $2/L here. Coming close to a 100% increase in less than a year. And summer increases haven’t even started. It now costs $16 just to drive my son to work. (And another $16 to pick him up)
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The landscaping project we’re doing was quoted at $21/sq ft for the interlock stone back in April. Now, it’s $25. Seeing as how we’re doing about 1500 sq ft, that’s another $6k.
Gas is over $2/L here. Coming close to a 100% increase in less than a year. And summer increases haven’t even started. It now costs $16 just to drive my son to work. (And another $16 to pick him up)
Are you buying concrete? What are you paying for it?
A friend of mine is pouring a patio slab and he's being quoted like $400/yard, which in my experience (which is dated) is absurd. What should be a $7500/$10k project is like $30k.
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The landscaping project we’re doing was quoted at $21/sq ft for the interlock stone back in April. Now, it’s $25. Seeing as how we’re doing about 1500 sq ft, that’s another $6k.
Gas is over $2/L here. Coming close to a 100% increase in less than a year. And summer increases haven’t even started. It now costs $16 just to drive my son to work. (And another $16 to pick him up)
Are you buying concrete? What are you paying for it?
A friend of mine is pouring a patio slab and he's being quoted like $400/yard, which in my experience (which is dated) is absurd. What should be a $7500/$10k project is like $30k.
Interlock brick. These bad boys
(https://unilock.com/storage/2021/11/Beacon-Hill-Flagstone_Paver_Sierra2_MOBILE.jpg)
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My local station went up to 6.89 this morning. I figure >7 in two weeks, they'll let it hover at 6.99 (not nice) for a while, the break the seal. Once they do that, it'll jack up quickly to 7.50 before August. I think 7.50 will be the peak here... Hopefully.
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Got my automatic oil refill this weekend. The bill for 154 gallons of oil? $965.00.
Ouch.
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And the problem is that there's nothing we can do about it. We're dependent upon electricity and gas for our very survival. It's not like gasoline, where we can drive less, or car pool, or whatever. It's not discretionary where we can choose to go without one night a week. It's not something we can cut back on to any reasonable extent, like groceries. There are solutions, but as is always the case, they really apply only to the people with the money to take advantage of them (solar, new windows, better insulation). I try to keep to a minimum things that really shouldn't be left to the private sector. Police/fire and healthcare are the two main things. I'm starting to think that deregulation of energy was a pretty big blunder, and letting people freeze or broil based on their ability to pay really shouldn't be a thing. And Texas proved quite well that supposed competition in the sector doesn't help us at all, as the providers are all insulated from any losses they might incur.
This is the current truth of reality for human survival. It was never like this in the past and humans have never been reliant on these sources for survival before.
What will happen when these resources falter and deplete? One will be that humans will resort to these older solutions of survival. That's human instinct of hunting and gathering, utilizing the surrounding ecosystem of the land to survive. Which is what many, many cultures were already utilizing before colonist intervention.
It's why I myself just sit back and watch it all collapse because I view it all as the consequences of humans relying on these resources and not on these other means for survival.
We let that happen, though. We're soft. The reality is, if power goes out, we CAN survive, but you'd never know it. Where would we find out how much people like us? Where would we get our validation? Where would we have our precious opinions affirmed?
We had power go out up here a couple years ago, and some people were down for up to 10 days. You'd think the world ended. Granted, it's also the sudden shock of it happening, so there wasn't time to prepare, but still.
I mean... What about the people who die of heat stroke? For some reason it came up in a recent conversation that there was some horrible heat wave in Chicago in the 90s where a lot of elderly people died. That would have been pre "worrying about likes." What about people who have medication that needs to be refrigerated? What did those people do back in the good old days of no electricity? Probably a lot more people died of extreme heat or cold and people who would have needed refrigerated medication just died since said medication wasn't available. Yeah, a lot of people complain about being bored during power outages, but it's certainly not just about that.
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And the problem is that there's nothing we can do about it. We're dependent upon electricity and gas for our very survival. It's not like gasoline, where we can drive less, or car pool, or whatever. It's not discretionary where we can choose to go without one night a week. It's not something we can cut back on to any reasonable extent, like groceries. There are solutions, but as is always the case, they really apply only to the people with the money to take advantage of them (solar, new windows, better insulation). I try to keep to a minimum things that really shouldn't be left to the private sector. Police/fire and healthcare are the two main things. I'm starting to think that deregulation of energy was a pretty big blunder, and letting people freeze or broil based on their ability to pay really shouldn't be a thing. And Texas proved quite well that supposed competition in the sector doesn't help us at all, as the providers are all insulated from any losses they might incur.
This is the current truth of reality for human survival. It was never like this in the past and humans have never been reliant on these sources for survival before.
What will happen when these resources falter and deplete? One will be that humans will resort to these older solutions of survival. That's human instinct of hunting and gathering, utilizing the surrounding ecosystem of the land to survive. Which is what many, many cultures were already utilizing before colonist intervention.
It's why I myself just sit back and watch it all collapse because I view it all as the consequences of humans relying on these resources and not on these other means for survival.
We let that happen, though. We're soft. The reality is, if power goes out, we CAN survive, but you'd never know it. Where would we find out how much people like us? Where would we get our validation? Where would we have our precious opinions affirmed?
We had power go out up here a couple years ago, and some people were down for up to 10 days. You'd think the world ended. Granted, it's also the sudden shock of it happening, so there wasn't time to prepare, but still.
I mean... What about the people who die of heat stroke? For some reason it came up in a recent conversation that there was some horrible heat wave in Chicago in the 90s where a lot of elderly people died. That would have been pre "worrying about likes." What about people who have medication that needs to be refrigerated? What did those people do back in the good old days of no electricity? Probably a lot more people died of extreme heat or cold and people who would have needed refrigerated medication just died since said medication wasn't available. Yeah, a lot of people complain about being bored during power outages, but it's certainly not just about that.
Of course not. But even the issues you raise, it's as much about being adaptable and agile as it is anything else.
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And the problem is that there's nothing we can do about it. We're dependent upon electricity and gas for our very survival. It's not like gasoline, where we can drive less, or car pool, or whatever. It's not discretionary where we can choose to go without one night a week. It's not something we can cut back on to any reasonable extent, like groceries. There are solutions, but as is always the case, they really apply only to the people with the money to take advantage of them (solar, new windows, better insulation). I try to keep to a minimum things that really shouldn't be left to the private sector. Police/fire and healthcare are the two main things. I'm starting to think that deregulation of energy was a pretty big blunder, and letting people freeze or broil based on their ability to pay really shouldn't be a thing. And Texas proved quite well that supposed competition in the sector doesn't help us at all, as the providers are all insulated from any losses they might incur.
This is the current truth of reality for human survival. It was never like this in the past and humans have never been reliant on these sources for survival before.
What will happen when these resources falter and deplete? One will be that humans will resort to these older solutions of survival. That's human instinct of hunting and gathering, utilizing the surrounding ecosystem of the land to survive. Which is what many, many cultures were already utilizing before colonist intervention.
It's why I myself just sit back and watch it all collapse because I view it all as the consequences of humans relying on these resources and not on these other means for survival.
We let that happen, though. We're soft. The reality is, if power goes out, we CAN survive, but you'd never know it. Where would we find out how much people like us? Where would we get our validation? Where would we have our precious opinions affirmed?
We had power go out up here a couple years ago, and some people were down for up to 10 days. You'd think the world ended. Granted, it's also the sudden shock of it happening, so there wasn't time to prepare, but still.
I mean... What about the people who die of heat stroke? For some reason it came up in a recent conversation that there was some horrible heat wave in Chicago in the 90s where a lot of elderly people died. That would have been pre "worrying about likes." What about people who have medication that needs to be refrigerated? What did those people do back in the good old days of no electricity? Probably a lot more people died of extreme heat or cold and people who would have needed refrigerated medication just died since said medication wasn't available. Yeah, a lot of people complain about being bored during power outages, but it's certainly not just about that.
Of course not. But even the issues you raise, it's as much about being adaptable and agile as it is anything else.
There's only so much you can do, especially as people get older and less mobile (extreme temps) and there's not much at all you can do if you need refrigeration. I agree with Barro's original comment that "letting people freeze or broil based on their ability to pay really shouldn't be a thing."
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And the problem is that there's nothing we can do about it. We're dependent upon electricity and gas for our very survival. It's not like gasoline, where we can drive less, or car pool, or whatever. It's not discretionary where we can choose to go without one night a week. It's not something we can cut back on to any reasonable extent, like groceries. There are solutions, but as is always the case, they really apply only to the people with the money to take advantage of them (solar, new windows, better insulation). I try to keep to a minimum things that really shouldn't be left to the private sector. Police/fire and healthcare are the two main things. I'm starting to think that deregulation of energy was a pretty big blunder, and letting people freeze or broil based on their ability to pay really shouldn't be a thing. And Texas proved quite well that supposed competition in the sector doesn't help us at all, as the providers are all insulated from any losses they might incur.
This is the current truth of reality for human survival. It was never like this in the past and humans have never been reliant on these sources for survival before.
What will happen when these resources falter and deplete? One will be that humans will resort to these older solutions of survival. That's human instinct of hunting and gathering, utilizing the surrounding ecosystem of the land to survive. Which is what many, many cultures were already utilizing before colonist intervention.
It's why I myself just sit back and watch it all collapse because I view it all as the consequences of humans relying on these resources and not on these other means for survival.
We let that happen, though. We're soft. The reality is, if power goes out, we CAN survive, but you'd never know it. Where would we find out how much people like us? Where would we get our validation? Where would we have our precious opinions affirmed?
We had power go out up here a couple years ago, and some people were down for up to 10 days. You'd think the world ended. Granted, it's also the sudden shock of it happening, so there wasn't time to prepare, but still.
I mean... What about the people who die of heat stroke? For some reason it came up in a recent conversation that there was some horrible heat wave in Chicago in the 90s where a lot of elderly people died. That would have been pre "worrying about likes." What about people who have medication that needs to be refrigerated? What did those people do back in the good old days of no electricity? Probably a lot more people died of extreme heat or cold and people who would have needed refrigerated medication just died since said medication wasn't available. Yeah, a lot of people complain about being bored during power outages, but it's certainly not just about that.
Of course not. But even the issues you raise, it's as much about being adaptable and agile as it is anything else.
There's only so much you can do, especially as people get older and less mobile (extreme temps) and there's not much at all you can do if you need refrigeration. I agree with Barro's original comment that "letting people freeze or broil based on their ability to pay really shouldn't be a thing."
And it shouldn't. I don't disagree with that.
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Gassed up today. $71.00
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Gas almost $6.50 here in California.
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Gassed up today. $71.00
$56 for my civic this morning
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Gassed up today. $71.00
$56 for my civic this morning
I cracked $75 the other day. That's for mid-grade, though.
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The trick is to fill up at the half tank point....that way psychologically you're not really spending that much money.
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Gassed up today. $71.00
$80 is about what I'm running on my car, it requires premium :/
$56 for my civic this morning
I cracked $75 the other day. That's for mid-grade, though.
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The trick is to fill up at the half tank point....that way psychologically you're not really spending that much money.
It still costs me $45+ on unleaded fuel to fill half a tank. I shudder when the time comes where I decided to let it ride and then eventually fill a full tank of gas.
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The trick is to fill up at the half tank point....that way psychologically you're not really spending that much money.
Do you even math? :lol
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The trick is to fill up at the half tank point....that way psychologically you're not really spending that much money.
I've actually been doing this, filling up at a quarter tank, keeps it under $50.
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Both of our vehicles are low on gas, and I'm actually gonna make a trip over the border to fill it up. Saves me about $25 each vehicle.
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Both of our vehicles are low on gas, and I'm actually gonna make a trip over the border to fill it up. Saves me about $25 each vehicle.
But Biden make gas expensiver... :justjen
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Taxes on gas for Chad goes to Healthcare. So there is a tradeoff.
I saw Gas for $4.99. I was happy to see it at 5 dollars. Lol
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The trick is to fill up at the half tank point....that way psychologically you're not really spending that much money.
Do you even math? :lol
If you haven't seen this, it should be mildly entertaining.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuH91bQXDuE&t=1s
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The trick is to fill up at the half tank point....that way psychologically you're not really spending that much money.
Do you even math? :lol
If you haven't seen this, it should be mildly entertaining.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuH91bQXDuE&t=1s
Was Shaq being dense, or was he trolling Kenny? Ernie's look at 2:00 was gold.
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I think he was being serious (At least it looks like it), there's another video from a few months ago and they were still having the same conversation :lol
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Shaq has quite the sense of humor and is sharp as a tack. He was trolling. :lol
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I don't drive much, so I only get as little as I need. $12-15 a week.
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I don't drive much, so I only get as little as I need. $12-15 a week.
My commute is 40 miles each way. :'(
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Uggg. $137 to put 3/4 of a tank in my truck yesterday.
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Uggg. $137 to put 3/4 of a tank in my truck yesterday.
Just went over the border to gas up, and saved about $40 by doing so. Ya'll are such whiners. :biggrin:
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Uggg. $137 to put 3/4 of a tank in my truck yesterday.
Just went over the border to gas up, and saved about $40 by doing so. Ya'll are such whiners. :biggrin:
So wait.. you're taking some of our gas supply?
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I don't drive much, so I only get as little as I need. $12-15 a week.
My commute is 40 miles each way. :'(
When I lived in Florida I had a commute of 40 miles one way and it was horrible.
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Uggg. $137 to put 3/4 of a tank in my truck yesterday.
Just went over the border to gas up, and saved about $40 by doing so. Ya'll are such whiners. :biggrin:
So wait.. you're taking some of our gas supply?
If you drive to Buffalo for gas, then yes.
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I don't drive much, so I only get as little as I need. $12-15 a week.
My commute is 40 miles each way. :'(
When I lived in Florida I had a commute of 40 miles one way and it was horrible.
I’m 49 miles one way…..98 a day….. >:(
Thankfully it’s not forever…..just until this project is built and turned over at the end of 23’.
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I don't drive much, so I only get as little as I need. $12-15 a week.
My commute is 40 miles each way. :'(
When I lived in Florida I had a commute of 40 miles one way and it was horrible.
I’m 49 miles one way…..98 a day….. >:(
Thankfully it’s not forever…..just until this project is built and turned over at the end of 23’.
At least your gas is a buck cheaper than mine.
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I don't drive much, so I only get as little as I need. $12-15 a week.
My commute is 40 miles each way. :'(
When I lived in Florida I had a commute of 40 miles one way and it was horrible.
I’m 49 miles one way…..98 a day….. >:(
Thankfully it’s not forever…..just until this project is built and turned over at the end of 23’.
At least your gas is a buck cheaper than mine.
Yeah….I mean…..it is what it is. In the grand scheme of things it’s not a big deal.
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I don't drive much, so I only get as little as I need. $12-15 a week.
My commute is 40 miles each way. :'(
When I lived in Florida I had a commute of 40 miles one way and it was horrible.
I’m 49 miles one way…..98 a day….. >:(
Thankfully it’s not forever…..just until this project is built and turned over at the end of 23’.
At least your gas is a buck cheaper than mine.
Yeah….I mean…..it is what it is. In the grand scheme of things it’s not a big deal.
I hear ya... It's kind of expected to bitch about it, but in reality my income has spiked way higher than inflation, our company is in the brink of huge expansion, and life is pretty chill overall. We got issues? Sure. Does it own my hourly existence? Nah...
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I don't drive much, so I only get as little as I need. $12-15 a week.
My commute is 40 miles each way. :'(
When I lived in Florida I had a commute of 40 miles one way and it was horrible.
I’m 49 miles one way…..98 a day….. >:(
Thankfully it’s not forever…..just until this project is built and turned over at the end of 23’.
At least your gas is a buck cheaper than mine.
Yeah….I mean…..it is what it is. In the grand scheme of things it’s not a big deal.
I hear ya... It's kind of expected to bitch about it, but in reality my income has spiked way higher than inflation, our company is in the brink of huge expansion, and life is pretty chill overall. We got issues? Sure. Does it own my hourly existence? Nah...
It’d be pretty easy to complain about this all….the inflation….gas prices etc etc. Everything is costing more and it does ‘suck’ big time.
But I flip a handle and clean water comes out as we eat our three squares a day plus snacks….under the nice secure roof we’re living under…so….I know and appreciate how blessed we are. It’d serve people good to take a step back and take inventory of everything we have compared to what others may not have
Not trying to be all zen and crap in this thread and pretend I haven’t complained about what’s going down these days…..but in lieu of seeing Bills Father pass and just things in my life lately…..I recently took a step back and forced myself to really take stock of some things.
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My electric company announced in August their rates go from 10.699 cents to 22.566 cents.
It's highway robbery man. This is bullshit.
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My electric company announced in August their rates go from 10.699 cents to 22.566 cents.
It's highway robbery man. This is bullshit.
For one thing, shop around. Up until now I've always signed on for 3 month terms to get introductory rates. That might not matter now, though. Down here the renewal rate I've been offered is better than the introductory rates, but it's still double what I've been paying. Also, don't know if they play these games up there, but the actual price for the renewal plan includes a rebate that you only get if you stay within a certain amount of usage. You kind of have to estimate what your monthly usage will be, and if you're wrong you'll pay a ton more. I'm not bad at that, but they still have ways of bending you over. It goes by billing period, rather than month, and they make those up as they go along. 29 days, 27, 32, 28, 28, 28, 34 days. By throwing in one that's surprsingly short or long they're bound to catch you over or under your block. But hey, at least Texas isn't lumped in with the rest of you losers. :lol
For my part, I'm shopping for a new pad right now, and electricity prices are one of the biggest factors. I'm pretty much only looking at places with window unit ACs now because central air will be prohibitively expensive. I don't want to pay to cool 1300 square feet when I'm really only concerned about two areas for specific periods of time.
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The other 2 I could use is going up as well. They haven't given their pricing yet. More than double is what really irks me.
Though EB, I remember your issues (2 or 3 years ago?) in the winter with the power crisis. That was nuts.
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The other 2 I could use is going up as well. They haven't given their pricing yet. More than double is what really irks me.
Though EB, I remember your issues (2 or 3 years ago?) in the winter with the power crisis. That was nuts.
Maybe that's one area where we do beat you guys. The Public Utility Commission runs a website that all electricity companies list their rate plans on. It's one-stop shopping and the new plans are constantly updated. The downside is that while you have only 3 providers, by the sound of it, we have hundreds. Rather than fostering competition, though, it just helps to muddy the waters. One guy in his garage probably owns 5 of them "competing" with himself, and providing different ways to confuse the consumer.
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I remember even in the early 2000's there was no competition.
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Wait... You guys have a shop around option? Here the only option is whether PG&E fucks you dry or does a courtesy spit on it.
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Wait... You guys have a shop around option? Here the only option is whether PG&E fucks you dry or does a courtesy spit on it.
Yes and no. Like I said, anybody can start their own energy company here. All you're doing is buying wholesale and selling retail. Wholesale fluctuates constantly, so you're estimating supply and demand to sell at a fixed rate. Of course it's a no lose investment because if you blunder the whole thing, like last March, the state will bail you out, like right now. While this might sound like healthy competition, it's really not. For one thing, you're just incorporating a middle man who'll jack up the price before it gets to you. More importantly, though, is that the myriad energy companies down here are all owned by the same investors. Different names. Different plans. Different (but identical) websites. In the end they're just there to confuse you into thinking that one is better than another. Preying on stupid consumers is a hallmark of capitalism, after all. You ever stand in an aisle trying to decipher if 6 mega rolls is better than 8 double rolls or 12 normal rolls?
So, yeah, we've got plenty of choices that all lead back to exactly the same place.
That having been said, the one thing we get that does help is that every plan has to have a single page facts sheet explaining how the pricing works. These are helpful. Electricity Facts Label (https://docs.championenergyservices.com/ExternalDocs?planname=PN2402&state=TX&language=EN)
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I get mail often for me to change my supplier of energy, but it uses the same infrastructure. I was and still am confused how that is profitable when they use the same power lines. Either way, it always seemed like a scam. Especially when someone actually starts trying to sell you on it at your door or via phone.
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Here the only option is whether PG&E fucks you dry or does a courtesy spit on it.
Or sets your house on fire...
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At least one scam energy company has been making the rounds near me since my local company has royally screwed up and is now being audited by the state. Apparently the trick they use is to ask to see your bill to "check for bogus charges" but they inside get a picture of your account number and sign you up for their service even if you refuse their offer. It's really scummy.
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Here the only option is whether PG&E fucks you dry or does a courtesy spit on it.
Or sets your house on fire...
And then in the ensuing criminal lawsuit over the 89 guilty manslaughter convictions and resulting billions upon billions of dollars in fines, they raise their rates so their stockholders don't lose money.
It's good to be a monopoly with basically no oversight.
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Maybe I am ignorant or it is just a regional thing... but I have never been aware of the possibility of shopping for an energy provider. For as long as I have been handling my own bills I was operating on the belief that there was one provider for each utility in my area.
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Maybe I am ignorant or it is just a regional thing... but I have never been aware of the possibility of shopping for an energy provider. For as long as I have been handling my own bills I was operating on the belief that there was one provider for each utility in my area.
Out of curiosity, does your one provider have different plans to offer? You sign up for a hitch, or is it simply month to month?
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Maybe I am ignorant or it is just a regional thing... but I have never been aware of the possibility of shopping for an energy provider. For as long as I have been handling my own bills I was operating on the belief that there was one provider for each utility in my area.
Out of curiosity, does your one provider have different plans to offer? You sign up for a hitch, or is it simply month to month?
I honestly have no idea. When we moved in to this house I signed up with what I thought were the providers for the area (electric, gas, trash, water/sewer), I get my bills every month, and pay them. I've never given a thought to the possibility of different plans.
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Maybe I am ignorant or it is just a regional thing... but I have never been aware of the possibility of shopping for an energy provider. For as long as I have been handling my own bills I was operating on the belief that there was one provider for each utility in my area.
Out of curiosity, does your one provider have different plans to offer? You sign up for a hitch, or is it simply month to month?
I honestly have no idea. When we moved in to this house I signed up with what I thought were the providers for the area (electric, gas, trash, water/sewer), I get my bills every month, and pay them. I've never given a thought to the possibility of different plans.
I hope financing cars is the wife's purview. :lol
A tiny bit of half-assed research suggests that in many states the individual cities do what our "energy companies" do. Sometimes for the better and sometimes for worse. There's no competition whatsoever, so shut up and eat your pine cone, but they're also not beholden to shareholders. What you pay for electricity is a wee bit higher than what I've been paying the last few years and a fuckton lower than what I'll be paying when my contract expires next month. It's damn near a third of what RJ's sorry ass is enduring right now.
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You're a funny guy :lol
This is my county. Seems pretty cut and dry what pine cones I am to masticate.
https://snohomishcountywa.gov/5307/Utilities
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Inflation combined with returning the the office has completely worn me down financially. I'm spending almost $400 a month now on gas. Prior to returning to the office, I wasn't barely sniffing $100. I haven't bought anything hobby related in months. If I had to venture a guess, between the costs associated with working in the office, fuel, utilities, and groceries, I have $500-$600 less disposable income per month than I did at this point last year. Living solo also doesn't help matters any in the food department. Eating out costs a small fortune now, but I struggle to grocery shop for home cooking without tons of food going bad because I can only eat so much.
/rant
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Maybe I am ignorant or it is just a regional thing... but I have never been aware of the possibility of shopping for an energy provider. For as long as I have been handling my own bills I was operating on the belief that there was one provider for each utility in my area.
That's how it is here, and back when I lived in Florida. We have Duke energy and that's it for power. I get my bill month to month or if you'd like you can sign up through a service through Duke where they average your energy usage and give you a flat rate monthly, which they'll give you refunds if use less than projected.
It's wild to me that you guys would have different energy providers. With the exception of TV/Internet you only have one utility choice here.
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Ah… the joys of regulated industries. Both energy and electric are governed by independent, gov’t run Boards (Provincial jurisdiction). Water is managed municipally, but still governed/regulated at that level.
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Ah… the joys of regulated industries. Both energy and electric are governed by independent, gov’t run Boards (Provincial jurisdiction). Water is managed municipally, but still governed/regulated at that level.
California has the PUC, an independent commission that is supposed to regulate our utilities. Unfortunately they're in the pocket of those same companies, and basically greenlight anything they propose to do. It's disgusting.
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(https://i.imgur.com/PjyFjU7.jpg?3)
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(https://i.imgur.com/PjyFjU7.jpg?3)
In today's environment, it's not the government living too well, it's the corporations living too well. One has to answer the question, how can the oil and gas companies realize 300% profit in the first quarter of this year alone???
What about Abbott industries trying to implement a stock buyback? And they own 40% of the formula market share!!!
I think we're a victim of price gouging every time I look around. >:(
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Who cares what the RINO thinks anyway.
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(https://i.imgur.com/PjyFjU7.jpg?3)
In today's environment, it's not the government living too well, it's the corporations living too well. One has to answer the question, how can the oil and gas companies realize 300% profit in the first quarter of this year alone???
What about Abbott industries trying to implement a stock buyback? And they own 40% of the formula market share!!!
I think we're a victim of price gouging every time I look around. >:(
And for some unknown reason you seem to think that corporations and government aren't in bed together? You're gonna have to come up with something better than that.
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In today's environment, it's not the government living too well, it's the corporations living too well. One has to answer the question, how can the oil and gas companies realize 300% profit in the first quarter of this year alone???
What about Abbott industries trying to implement a stock buyback? And they own 40% of the formula market share!!!
I think we're a victim of price gouging every time I look around. >:(
And for some unknown reason you seem to think that corporations and government aren't in bed together? You're gonna have to come up with something better than that.
And you could come up with a better retort to my comment. I understand that our government has sold out to corporate greed but our government is not in the business of making baby formula nor are they in the business of producing oil and gas of which the US is the leading exporter of this product. Yeah - the Saudis can produce more oil but our oil companies have the ability to produce more gas dropping the price but they say naw, we're doing just fine.
Maybe there should be a government takeover of the oil industry!!
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Don't make me tap the P/R sign fellas.