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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: DreamerTV on February 09, 2022, 03:03:10 PM
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Well, now that we know it, songs and overall length, I though It would be funny to see which song/s you would swap and in favor of which others
Current Setlist:
The Alien 9:31
6:00 5:31
Awaken the Master 9:47
Endless Sacrifice 11:23
Bridges in the Sky 11:01
Invisible Monster 6:30
About to Crash 5:51
The Ministry of Lost Souls 14:57
A View From the Top of the World 20:23
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The Count of Tuscany 19:17
Total: 112:11
My take
The Alien 9:31
6:00 5:31
Awaken the Master 9:47
Endless Sacrifice 11:23
Answering the Call 7:35
Transcending Time 6:24
About To Crash 5:51
About To Crash (reprise) 4:04
Losing Time 5:59
Trial of Tears 13:05
A View From the Top of the World 20:23
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The Count of Tuscany 19:17
Total: 116:50
I know it's never gonna happen, but still.
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The Alien
The Enemy Inside
Awaken the Master
Bridges in the Sky
Transcending Time
About To Crash
The Glass Prison
In The Name of God
A View From the Top of the World
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Octavarium
Something like that.
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The Alien
Innocence Faded
Awaken The Master
Endless Sacrifice
Bridges In The Sky
Invisible Monster
Solitary Shell
ITPOE Pt 2 (Although I do like TMOLS too...)
View
Encore: Tuscany or Octavarium
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Solitary Shell
ITPOE Pt 2 (Although I do like TMOLS too...)
I like these two choices.
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The Alien
Surrender To Reason
Awaken The Master
Disappear
Invisible Monster
Lost Not Forgotten
Transcending Time
Speak to Me
The Ministry of Lost Souls
Out of Reach
Only A Matter of Time
A View From The Top of The World
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Viper King
-Surrender in place of 6:00
-Disappear/Invisible Monster in place of Endless Sacrifice
-Lost Not Forgotten in place of Bridges
-Transcending Time in Invisible Monster’s old place
-Speak to Me instead of About to Crash
-Out of Reach, OAMOT, and Viper King instead of Tuscany
There's songs I like better than Ministry but I haven't seen it live yet so I'll take it for the rarity factor
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Take out Invisible Monster, The Ministry of Lost Souls and A View from the Top of the World, and add in Sleeping Giant, Transcending Time and Octavarium, with 8V ending the show and The Count ending the normal set, and we are good.
The Alien
6:00
Awaken the Master
Endless Sacrifice
Bridges in the Sky
Sleeping Giant
About to Crash
Transcending Time
The Count of Tuscany
Octavarium
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I tend to think that most of an album should be played on the tour promoting it, so I would want to see Sleeping Giant added in, at least, at the expense of either Endless Sacrifice or Bridges in the Sky (I like those songs about equally, so I could go either way, although I lean toward keeping Bridges in order to have one song from the 2010s).
I'd also like to see Transcending Time in place of either Invisible Monster or About to Crash.
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The Alien
The Enemy Inside
Awaken the Master
Bridges in the Sky
Transcending Time
About To Crash
The Glass Prison
In The Name of God
A View From the Top of the World
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Octavarium
Something like that.
I like yours Hef - but I would substitute Transcending Time for Barstool Warrior (about the same length) So would be -
The Alien
The Enemy Inside
Awaken the Master
Bridges in the Sky
Barstool Warrior
About To Crash
The Glass Prison
In The Name of God
A View From the Top of the World
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Octavarium
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That set list is kinda perfect how it is. Sad I won't be seeing them though.
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The Alien 9:31 --> Transcending Time, move
6:00 5:31 --> Answering the Call
Awaken the Master 9:47
--> Keep, move
Endless Sacrifice 11:23 --> Keep
Bridges in the Sky 11:01 --> Keep, move
Invisible Monster 6:30 --> Keep, move
About to Crash 5:51
--> Disappear
The Ministry of Lost Souls 14:57 --> Keep
A View From the Top of the World 20:23
-> Move to the front, yes I am going bold!
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The Count of Tuscany 19:17
--> Octavarium
Result:
A View From the Top of the World 20:23
Answering the Call 7:35
Endless Sacrifice 11:23
Invisible Monster 6:30
Transcending Time 6:25
Disappear 6:46
Awaken the Master 9:47
Bridges in the Sky 11:01
The Ministry of Lost Souls 14:57
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Octavarium 24:00
I wanted to swap out 6:00 with Caught in a Web or Innocence Faded but that just isn't something James could pull off regularly.
A couple minutes longer, same number of songs, one more song from A View... I know it doesn't make sense to leave off The Alien but it's my least favorite new track.
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The only I would change would be to alternate between Invisible Monster and Transcending Time. Actually, Transcending Time would have worked perfectly to transition into About To Crash more so than Invisible Monster.
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Can honestly say, I didn’t know it was broken. Maybe a bit of sticky tape or something could fix it?
Alright, let’s be serious instead, and I’ll go through some changes that could make thus setlist a bit better for my mind.
The Alien
6:00
Awaken the Master / Answering the Call alternating
Blind Faith . Something Mangini hasn’t played yet, and is just a really great song. Fits the same sort of vibe as Sacrifice to my ear.
Sleeping Giant . Not gonna lie, James seems to be having trouble with Bridges right now, so this one might suit him better.
Transcending Time I’m really not a fan of Invisible Monster, some people are. Maybe this can also alternate like Master and Call, but I’d want Transcending at my show.
About to Crash + About to Crash (Reprise). With the next change I’m about to make, I’m sure we can fit in both versions of About to Crash. Would need an extended ending, but I’d love to hear both parts, as I really enjoy the Reprise.
Surrender to Reason or S2N alternating?. I’m sure I wasn’t the only person hoping one if not both of these last two would appear. Would be awesome to see the full Mangini era live.
Lines in the Sand. Not gonna lie, I was really really hoping for Lines this tour, as I was on Distance Over Time. 2015 had Burning My Soul, 2017 gave us Hell’s Kitchen, so I really want them to round off that beautiful trilogy from FII.
A View From the Top of the World - obviously.
The Count of Tuscany - I can honestly say, if the entire rest of the setlist dies off before it reaches Australia (which the whole idea of this tour probably won’t), I NEED this song. I love it, it’s perfect to me.
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The set list doesn't need fixin, all the songs they played translated very well live and had a nice flow..
Sure there are other songs I'd love to see too, but I'm just happy to see DT no matter what they choose to play.
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May want to add a 'spoiler' tag - I think there are still quite a few members who are trying to avoid the current setlist to keep it a surprise when they see the show. The title is probably self explanatory enough, but just in case.
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I quite like the setlist as it is. I can see why they've gone for what they've gone for - they've probably not had a lot of rehearsal time for this one, what with all the various pandemic stuff going on, so they've opted for songs that they've already played with MM, but perhaps not that frequently, while avoiding stuff they've played on recent tours. We all have our favourite DT songs, but the band aren't going to necessarily play them every tour just for you. Would I swap any of those songs for The Killing Hand? in a heartbeat, but I'm happy with what it is.
Oh, and The Count of F*cking Tuscany! How cool is that? I did not see that one coming back! :metal
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I'm going to go with a "light touch" here and just suggest dropping Endless Sacrifice.
Don't really care for that song at all, and prefer shorter sets.
Slightlier heavier touch would be to also drop the Ministry of Lost Souls and replace it with something shorter like Forsaken as a little bit of a palette cleanser before the epic.
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May want to add a 'spoiler' tag - I think there are still quite a few members who are trying to avoid the current setlist to keep it a surprise when they see the show. The title is probably self explanatory enough, but just in case.
They should probably not be entering threads with the word "setlist" in the title.
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The Alien
The Enemy Inside
Awaken the Master
Bridges in the Sky
Transcending Time
About To Crash
The Glass Prison
In The Name of God
A View From the Top of the World
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Octavarium
Something like that.
I like yours Hef - but I would substitute Transcending Time for Barstool Warrior (about the same length) So would be -
The Alien
The Enemy Inside
Awaken the Master
Bridges in the Sky
Barstool Warrior
About To Crash
The Glass Prison
In The Name of God
A View From the Top of the World
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Octavarium
I like Barstool Warrior, but we got it last tour.
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No problems with it from me.
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The only I would change would be to alternate between Invisible Monster and Transcending Time. Actually, Transcending Time would have worked perfectly to transition into About To Crash more so than Invisible Monster.
This, except no alternating. Lose Invisible Monster, LOVE Transcending Time.
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I'd be good with just bumping Alien and Ministry in favor of two View songs that are (inexplicably) not being played. I would also have About To Crash go into ATM.
Answering The Call
6:00
Sleeping Giant
Endless Sacrifice
Bridges In The Sky
Invisible Monster
About To Crash
Awaken The Master
A View From The Top Of The World
The Count of Tuscany
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The set list doesn't need fixin, all the songs they played translated very well live and had a nice flow..
Sure there are other songs I'd love to see too, but I'm just happy to see DT no matter what they choose to play.
I mostly agree with that. I mean, there are spots where I can say that in place of a couple of songs, I would subjectively prefer something else. But it was a great set overall, and not much I would do to tweak it.
BUT, to me, Ministry could do with being subbed out. I did my best to just enjoy the vibe and go with it. But I think it still didn't do them any favors in terms of the set list. It just goes on for too long at a slow-to-mid tempo, and didn't really seem to get much crowd reaction for most of it. Part of me is glad I got to see a rarity performed. But I think they would have been better off putting something else in the set. At that track length, they could have put in a shorter ballad to slow down the set as well as a more upbeat song, and had plenty of space, such as: S2N and Take Away My Pain, or Burning My Soul (low on my list, but I think it would be great live) and Out of Reach. For me personally, I would have enjoyed either of those two combos a LOT more than Ministry. (honestly, I would have loved even more if they put The Glass Prison or In the Name of God into that spot, but I know they wanted/needed something slower to have the set breathe a bit)
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I also didn’t think it needed fixing, *but*, the suggestion to replace TMoLS with ITPoE 2 is tremendous. Would make this the “Epic Closer Tour” plus a nice nugget after getting ITPoE 1 last time.
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I also didn’t think it needed fixing, *but*, the suggestion to replace TMoLS with ITPoE 2 is tremendous. Would make this the “Epic Closer Tour” plus a nice nugget after getting ITPoE 1 last time.
That is an interesting idea. I agree, that would be more epic and better than TMOLS.
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The more I think about it, I would have liked to have seen some of I&W and Scenes.
Come to think of it, this set list is the most recent set of songs I think they have ever played.
Also wish they had some of DOT on it.
I am glad they are playing Endless Sacrifice though. That was easily the song that got me into them.
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Just to be clear: if anybody should think that this setlist is perfect as it is, great!! :)
It's just a title for a thread.
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Take out Invisible Monster, The Ministry of Lost Souls and A View from the Top of the World, and add in Sleeping Giant, Transcending Time and Octavarium, with 8V ending the show and The Count ending the normal set, and we are good.
The Alien
6:00
Awaken the Master
Endless Sacrifice
Bridges in the Sky
Sleeping Giant
About to Crash
Transcending Time
The Count of Tuscany
Octavarium
I realized I forgot to swap in Answering the Call. I'd put there in and remove with About to Crash or Endless Sacrifice.
Call me crazy, but I feel that when you are touring on an album, you ought to feature it heavily, and this is the 2nd album in a row that has gotten poor representation in the live sets on the tour promoting the album. I get that it is harder when you have as many albums as they do now, but why not give these later albums their fair shake in the set list the way the first 13 albums did?
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"Poor representation?" ??? They played 4 of the 7 songs, and over 46 minutes worth. How is that poor representation?
I agree that a band should represent their new album on tour, and represent it well. But...they are doing that, so I'm confused.
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When I saw the setlist I thought "That's it for songs from the new album?" Then when I broke it down it was more than it felt like when I first read it. I don't know what the "right" level or representation would be, but this seems reasonable.
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I don't think leaving out nearly half of the songs from the new album and less than 40% of the whole set being from the album is what I would call "good" representation.
Again, I get it, when you have 15 studio albums, it gets more difficult to feature too much new stuff as fans inevitably want to hear a bunch of older songs, but this is the drawback to the more static set lists of recent years, as the songs left off pretty much get lost in the abyss. 3 songs from DT12 were never played on the Along for the Ride tour, and one of the three, Surrender to Reason, a favorite among internet fans at the very least, has still never been played. 3 songs from Distance over Time (plus Viper King, if anyone wants to count that one) were not played on the last tour and none are getting played this tour either.
I think I would find the lesser representation of the new album a lot less strange if they were at least playing a lot of other material from the Mangini era, but ignoring the three albums prior to the new one and then playing only four new songs on this tour (and not doing any rotating apparently) makes you wonder how good they really think their more recent material is. With the exception of a few, songs in the Mangini era are getting the one and done treatment in the live sets on the big album tours. Heck, even the massive fan favorite At Wit's End was only played on part of the last tour.
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I definitely find it odd that less than half of the set is new stuff. However, I love the setlist so it's fine. Would've loved to have seen SG though tbh.
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I don't disagree with what your saying, I just am not going as far as you are. Below is what I can get behind the most.
With the exception of a few, songs in the Mangini era are getting the one and done treatment in the live sets on the big album tours.
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Inevitably, they can't please everyone. Play more "new" material, some fans will bitch they're not playing enough "classic" material. It's a no win situation for them.
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I’m ok with the set list (maybe I’ll think differently after seeing them next weekend) yet can agree with the sentiment the new album is underrepresented. Not by duration, but arguably the album’s top 3 songs were left on the shelf.
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The Alien (9:31)
Surrender to Reason (6:35)
Awaken the Master (9:47)
Stream of Consciousness (11:16)
Bridges in the Sky (11:01)
Sleeping Giant (10:05)
Blind Faith (10:21)
The Ministry of Lost Souls (14:57)
A View From the Top of the World (20:23)
Octavarium (24:00)
Total: 127:56
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Inevitably, they can't please everyone. Play more "new" material, some fans will bitch they're not playing enough "classic" material. It's a no win situation for them.
Yeah like the people saying they wish they would include SFAM and I&W songs, when they played those albums in their entirety and are documented.
If I discover a band so late on their career, I expect not to hear a lot of songs, both classic and modern songs. I find it unfortunate when a band does not play their recent material more and just play their hits that everyone loves. That to me shows they care about generating seats in the venues.
But also, I realized that DT did actually play off their theme of their album. Took the chance to play 4 songs off the new album, and included a lot of 10+ minute songs in their unusual set-time of 2 hours.
If anything, not playing the title track like some were suggesting in their set-list predictions would say more about not enjoying the album.
Also, you have to remember that they have to learn to play the songs. JR has to create patches for his live sound and he likes to change things up and add certain qualities to his Keyboard live patches. His Patreons on Awaken The Master and others are great behind the scenes to see that happen, its neat how much layers he puts into 1 minute of music. And since people are complaining about JLB vocals, you think he would be able to do Answering The Call, Sleeping Giant, or Transcending Time well enough to meet peoples exceedingly high expectations of his vocal abilities.
The guys are great musicians but are not gods. They're humans that have flaws and are not perfect. I do not expect anything from them at all in regards to their music. It's why I am just along for the ride and whatever they choose to play I will be there to support them no matter what they decide to play and do production wise.
I love this setlist because they threw in a lot of surprises for me. All of the songs I enjoy and was happy to get that many in one setlist.
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Answering the Call 7:35
Transcending Time 6:24
Yes!!!!!
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I love the set list as is, so my modifications are minor and don't significantly change the total show length.
The Alien
Innocence Faded
Awaken the Master
This Dying Soul
Bridges in the Sky
Invisible Monster
About to Crash
The Ministry of Lost Souls
A View From the Top of the World
The Count of Tuscany
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well enough to meet peoples exceedingly high expectations of his vocal abilities.
Since when is expecting them to be "good" an exceedingly high expectation?
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The biggest miss to me is leaving off Sleeping Giant, which is my favorite on the album. And as some have mentioned, when they leave songs like this off the album tour, there's sort of a question as to whether they'll ever show up. Especially longer ones like this.
Actually, this album is pretty well set up to include most of it in a rotating setlist, if they didn't want to take up so much of the set with new songs. They could alternate Awaken the Master with Sleeping Giant and Invisible Monster with Transcending Time. I would prefer for them to leave off Invisible Monster entirely and alternate Answering the Call with Transcending Time, but they aren't going to leave off a single (one of the other problems with limiting how much of the new album gets played is that many of the choices end up getting controlled by which songs get released as singles).
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I would prefer for them to leave off Invisible Monster entirely and alternate Answering the Call with Transcending Time
Noooo! Don't even suggest it. As much as I love these songs, I love Invisible Monster more and would be upset if they didn't play it.
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The more I think about it, I would have liked to have seen some of I&W and Scenes.
They have played the fuck out of those albums in recent tours. If they pulled some of those songs out again for this tour, I would have been EXTREMELY disappointed.
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Man, I want a band to support the new album, but I would never expect them to dedicate 50% or more of their setlist to new stuff.
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The Alien
The Mirror
Sleeping Giant
In The Name Of God
Outcry
Transcending Time
Blind Faith
Sacrificed Sons
A View From the Top of the World
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Octavarium
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This makes more sense to me than the current list.(I still want to see them though ;D)
The Alien
A Rite of Passage
Fall into The Light
Awaken The Master
Prophets of War
Misunderstood
Invisible Monster
Peruvian Skies
Through Her Eyes
A View from the Top of the World
ENCORE
Ytse Jam
Take The Time
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This makes more sense to me than the current list.(I still want to see them though ;D)
The Alien
A Rite of Passage
Fall into The Light
Awaken The Master
Prophets of War
Misunderstood
Invisible Monster
Peruvian Skies
Through Her Eyes
A View from the Top of the World
ENCORE
Ytse Jam
Take The Time
Ooooooooooh
I like this one
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As a alternative to my first one ;D
The Alien
Caught in a Web
S2N
Awaken The Master
The Killing Hand
Never Enough
Invisible Monster
Breaking All Illusions
Disappear
A View from the Top of the World
ENCORE
Stream of Consciousness
Pull Me Under
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Don't play The Ministry Of Lost Souls
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I actually like TMOLS. I was happy to see it as I didn't go to the '08 leg of the SC tour. But with them closing the set with both AVFTTOTW and TCOT, I do find it curious that they'd also add TMOLS as well. That's 3 songs comprising half the show.
The first half of the show is extremely heavy. Even though I'm not a huge fan, I thought playing About To Crash was a brilliant move to offset some of the heaviness.
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I could have done without The Ministry of Lost Souls, Endless Sacrifice, and Bridges in the Sky, only because they take up such a chunk of time and I've already seen them do those songs before.
I view concerts as collecting live experiences, so I always love hearing stuff I've never heard them do live before, over and above even "oh wow, I've never heard this live."
6:00 and The Count of Tuscany were two bucketlist songs, so those plus the new album made the show an obvious win for me. I've love to hear more WDADU stuff (doubtful these days with James' lower register), or some of the more radio friendly stuff from FII, actually (You Not Me, Just Let Me Breathe).
I was perfectly fine with no I&W and definitely no SFaM.
Even though this was my 15th DT show since 2000, there's still plenty of songs for me to "collect"!
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I've come to love Outcry so much I wish they'd chose that as the ADTOE selection. Don't know if that one's ever been played since the album tour.
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I've come to love Outcry so much I wish they'd chose that as the ADTOE selection. Don't know if that one's ever been played since the album tour.
I love Outcry too, and personally would've rather heard that than BITS. That trade off would've helped balance the heaviness of the first set.
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I view concerts as collecting live experiences, so I always love hearing stuff I've never heard them do live before.
Even though this was my 15th DT show since 2000, there's still plenty of songs for me to "collect"!
This is how I see going to my favorite bands as well. DT, 311, Metallica... I really want to hear the songs I haven't heard before. It's getting tougher as the years go on. This is the first tour that I haven't seen a "new-old" song, as I had seen all six of the older tracks played in Boston. However, I still enjoyed the heck out of Count and Endless Sacrifice. And I hadn't seen Mangini play About to Crash or Ministry (or Count). So all that was cool. I maybe would have swapped 6:00 with Caught In A Web (a song I've seen, but never with Mangini), and Bridges with one of the newer ones they haven't played yet (S2N or Surrender to Reason). But I thought the setlist was pretty spot on.
I'm going to suggest a second-leg setlist, though.
The Alien
Burning My Soul
Answering the Call
The Killing Hand
Surrender to Reason
Sleeping Giant
Out of Reach
Transcending Time
In the Presence of Enemies - Part 2
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Octavarium
Mmmmm that's a good 7/10 I haven't seen, plus Alien and the two ending epics. Yes please.
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I'm going to suggest a second-leg setlist, though.
The Alien
Burning My Soul
Answering the Call
The Killing Hand
Surrender to Reason
Sleeping Giant
Out of Reach
Transcending Time
In the Presence of Enemies - Part 2
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Octavarium
Gooooooooooooooooood, goooooooooooooood, yesssssssssss *creepy Jack Nicholson nod*
ETA: Though I'm scared to think how James would handle that final high note in The Killing Hand. Or "TRAPPED INSIDE THIS OCTAVARIUM"
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I am totally fine if they alter the high notes. But please play them already!
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I think they'll play Octa next tour when the album turns 20.
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I love the setlist. Even TMoLS, which is pretty low in my ranking, was fabulous. SC has a distinct sound, and it was great to hear.
There is something I would change though.
Skip Arch Echo (they are great musicians, but not my cup or tea).
And add.
Just let me Breathe.
Sleeping Giant
Disappear.
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I think they'll play Octa next tour when the album turns 20.
I would've liked a little more 6DoIT representation for its 20th.
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I've come to love Outcry so much I wish they'd chose that as the ADTOE selection. Don't know if that one's ever been played since the album tour.
I feel the exact same way but it is Lost not Forgotten for me. Such a great song with a strong energy. They're even using guitars tuned to D for Endless Sacrifice, they could've used the opportunity to play it.
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For me there is nothing to fix. The two hour set was incredible and very surprising - I predicted the AVFTTOTW songs they would play, but I never could have guessed the rest.
The Ministry of Lost Souls was the highlight of the night for me and my sister. We both adore that song and after missing it last time they toured it, I was worried I might not get another chance. Definitely a top ten bucket list song for me.
Now if I can just hear Disappear and A Vision before they hang it up I will be incredibly satisfied.
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I actually found A View from the Top of the World to be the most boring track of the night (felt very similarly about Pale Blue Dot last tour). I think I'd swap that out with just about any other song(s) TBH.
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I wrote before - prior to seeing them - that I would swap out Invisible Monster for Transcending Time. Now that I saw them, honestly, leave it the way it is. It's not perfect - nothing ever is - but it was a good, balanced show, and THEY were into what they were playing. It SOUNDS like TMOLS, AVFTTOTW and TCOT is a huge chunk, but being there it never felt like that. In fact, I don't even really remember distinctly hearing TMOLS. I suppose it's all what you're looking for in a show (I love that idea of "collecting experiences") but for me, that was an event. That was an experience. And I got an incredibly positive experience out of the event that Dream Theater staged. Leave it alone.
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I wrote before - prior to seeing them - that I would swap out Invisible Monster for Transcending Time. Now that I saw them, honestly, leave it the way it is. It's not perfect - nothing ever is - but it was a good, balanced show, and THEY were into what they were playing. It SOUNDS like TMOLS, AVFTTOTW and TCOT is a huge chunk, but being there it never felt like that. In fact, I don't even really remember distinctly hearing TMOLS. I suppose it's all what you're looking for in a show (I love that idea of "collecting experiences") but for me, that was an event. That was an experience. And I got an incredibly positive experience out of the event that Dream Theater staged. Leave it alone.
Awesome! One more week until my experience in Dallas!
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Now if I can just hear Disappear and A Vision before they hang it up I will be incredibly satisfied.
Hate to say it, but that's probably a really tall order. :lol
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I know A Vision is pretty unlikely, but I think there is a very real chance I'll get to see Disappear live some day. Here's hoping!
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I think it is more likely than A Vision. But I still wouldn't bet on it ever being played again. But hey, I could be wrong. I love it, and would be thrilled to see it myself.
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I know James recently said he would love to sing Disappear at his final Dream Theater concert. Hopefully that won't be for a long, long time.
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The Alien 9:31
Transcending Time 6:25 (replacing 6:00 which I was a little disappointed to hear again)
Awaken the Master 9:47
The Glass Prison 13:52 (replacing Endless Sacrifice)
Answering the Call 7:35 (replacing Bridges in the Sky)
Invisible Monster 6:30
About to Crash 5:51
S2N 6:21
Surrender to Reason 6:34 (replacing Ministry)
A View From the Top of the World 20:23
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The Count of Tuscany 19:17
Overall I would have liked a little more DT15 and more songs that haven't been played or not in a while.
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The Alien 9:31
Transcending Time 6:25 (replacing 6:00 which I was a little disappointed to hear again)
Awaken the Master 9:47
The Glass Prison 13:52 (replacing Endless Sacrifice)
Answering the Call 7:35 (replacing Bridges in the Sky)
Invisible Monster 6:30
About to Crash 5:51
S2N 6:21
Surrender to Reason 6:34 (replacing Ministry)
A View From the Top of the World 20:23
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The Count of Tuscany 19:17
Overall I would have liked a little more DT15 and more songs that haven't been played or not in a while.
Hmm... My take:
-Transcending Time: :dunno: Okay, I guess. I'm with you in being kind of disappointed when I saw it in the set list. But only slightly, and only because it was played on the ADTOE tour. But I had to remind myself that that was actually 10 years ago. And I like 6:00. I'm okay with TT. Don't hate it, but don't love it. If not for one of your other changes farther down, I would veto it if I were king, simply because too many View songs. But I'll let it ride.
-The Glass Prison: On paper, my answer is "YES! 1,000 TIMES YES!" I'm not crazy about Endless Sacrifice, and TGP just misses my top 10 and is VERY high on my short list of songs I really want to see. That said, Endless was the unexpected highlight of the show for me, so I'm a bit torn.
-Answering the Call: Just the opposite. On paper, there is no way. I love Answering the Call. But Bridges is top 10, and I really wanted to see it again. That said, it fell flat live this time for me.
-S2N and Surrender: Nicely done. Two songs I really want to see in place of one that is near the bottom of the DT discography for me. I fully embrace this. And we get 2 for 1.
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The glaring issue for me in the set list is after three (3) tours of playing full albums (Astonishing, I&W, SFaM) we only got 6 / 14 albums represented in the set list. And 2 of those were represented on the last tour (BCSL, SC). I get they played I&W in full, but that was 5 years ago, and it's the most popular and best selling album. Skipping SFaM made sense - but you can't skip your two most popular albums. That's like Metallica skipping 'Black Album' and 'Master of Puppets'.
I think where there was 'opportunity' was 'Ministry of Lost Souls'. That was 15 mins of time that could've been used for two other songs. In addition, I think 'Answering the Call' is a far better song than either 'Awaken the Master' or 'Invisible Monster'. So here is how I would re-boot this set list for a Fall 2022 Tour (If it happens), keeping in mind DT rarely make major changes during a tour cycle (last time they swapped PMU with At Wits End for the encore between the Spring and Fall tour)
1. The Alien
2. 6:00
3. Answering the Call
4. Endless Sacrifice
5. Transcending Time
6. Bridges in the Sky
7. Misunderstood
8. Take the Time
9. Surrender to Reason
10. A View from the Top of the World
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11. Count of Tuscany
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For me this isn’t “fixing” the current setlist. I’m thinking what they could do if they make another round through NA later in the year, or next year. I actually love the setlist now.
The Alien
Just Let Me Breathe
Sleeping Giant
The Glass Prison
Behind the Veil
Answering the Call
Solitary Shell
Voices
A View from the Top of the World
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Octavarium
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I was also thinking Just Let Me Breathe could occupy that second spot - it would be a really unusual but welcome addition!
I kind of think they will keep Invisible Monster in the set, even if they make significant changes elsewhere.
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For me this isn’t “fixing” the current setlist. I’m thinking what they could do if they make another round through NA later in the year, or next year. I actually love the setlist now.
The Alien
Just Let Me Breathe
Sleeping Giant
The Glass Prison
Behind the Veil
Answering the Call
Solitary Shell
Voices
A View from the Top of the World
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Octavarium
Perfect!!
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For me this isn’t “fixing” the current setlist. I’m thinking what they could do if they make another round through NA later in the year, or next year. I actually love the setlist now.
The Alien
Just Let Me Breathe
Sleeping Giant
The Glass Prison
Behind the Veil
Answering the Call
Solitary Shell
Voices
A View from the Top of the World
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Octavarium
Perfect!!
I’m glad you like it. Looking back, I think I would trade out The Glass Prison for Blind Faith. But I would be happy with either.
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For me this isn’t “fixing” the current setlist. I’m thinking what they could do if they make another round through NA later in the year, or next year. I actually love the setlist now.
The Alien
Just Let Me Breathe
Sleeping Giant
The Glass Prison
Behind the Veil
Answering the Call
Solitary Shell
Voices
A View from the Top of the World
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Octavarium
Perfect!!
I’m glad you like it. Looking back, I think I would trade out The Glass Prison for Blind Faith. But I would be happy with either.
I wonder... with the complaints that can come about James singing. Would TGP work well? The vocals to me are fairly defining in the song. And Portnoy had a share of them. (which I love. I love that it's kinda growly but not. And not overdone) JP just isnt' a growler. And then if they piped in Portnoys parts?? Can they do that? If they did, omgosh. The complaints.
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For me this isn’t “fixing” the current setlist. I’m thinking what they could do if they make another round through NA later in the year, or next year. I actually love the setlist now.
The Alien
Just Let Me Breathe
Sleeping Giant
The Glass Prison
Behind the Veil
Answering the Call
Solitary Shell
Voices
A View from the Top of the World
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Octavarium
Perfect!!
I’m glad you like it. Looking back, I think I would trade out The Glass Prison for Blind Faith. But I would be happy with either.
Good setlist - and either TGP or Blind Faith would work for me. I would probably trade out Just Let me Breath for Peruvian Skies though - and maybe switch it's position with Sleeping Giant (Sleeping Giant 2nd Peruvian Skies 3rd).
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What’s funny is that vocal parts that are really “growly” are JP. Look up the live video from Bucharest 2002. You can see Mike and JP going back and forth on the background vocals.
And they could pipe it in and JP can just mimic it at the mic like they do with other stuff now. It’s not that big of a deal to me. Of course some people around here think they’re turning into Milli Vanilli if they don’t do all the vocal tracks live.
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For me this isn’t “fixing” the current setlist. I’m thinking what they could do if they make another round through NA later in the year, or next year. I actually love the setlist now.
The Alien
Just Let Me Breathe
Sleeping Giant
The Glass Prison
Behind the Veil
Answering the Call
Solitary Shell
Voices
A View from the Top of the World
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Octavarium
Perfect!!
I’m glad you like it. Looking back, I think I would trade out The Glass Prison for Blind Faith. But I would be happy with either.
I wonder... with the complaints that can come about James singing. Would TGP work well? The vocals to me are fairly defining in the song. And Portnoy had a share of them. (which I love. I love that it's kinda growly but not. And not overdone) JP just isnt' a growler. And then if they piped in Portnoys parts?? Can they do that? If they did, omgosh. The complaints.
Considering the complaints about his vocals on this very tour, I have thought about the very same thing when these songs get listed. And honestly, I find the thought of those complaints humorous, due to what the band will do to those songs people want to hear. The band is what it is now, and if you understand that, you will know they will be piping in backing vocals and other parts, and it will likely be in studio tempo as well.
I understand how much will possibly be piped in for S2N, and the chorus to Surrender to Reason, I can see them piping in the higher 'Restless Angels' while JLB does the lower vocal range. I do not mind JLB doing those and other lower vocal harmonies. The Glass Prison will likely have the first verse being piped in with JLB doing his response parts, and maybe they'll rely on the audience to emphasize those lyrics.
Constant Motion doesn't sound too bad with JLB doing all the trade-off vocals. I think The Glass Prison would be too demanding for JLB to do it that way.
Either way, I would still like to see all those choices live.
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I applaud the general concept of playing some new songs, but not going overkill with it, and to dust off some rarities we haven't heard in years. So I'm just happy with the set, if I had a hand in it however....
The Alien
6:00
Answering the Call
Endless Sacrifice
Bridges in the Sky
Invisible Monster
About to Crash
Trascending Time
Panic Attack
A View From the Top of the World
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The Count of Tuscany
Look, I like Ministry, but since there are so many long songs already, I sacrifice that one for a song off Octavarium, an album neglected for years and years, and another new one I dig, Trascending Time. If 5 new songs are too much, The Bigger Picture will do instead.