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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: The Letter M on January 17, 2022, 08:01:19 PM
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First official poster has dropped, revealing a March 30th release date! It'll be a long 72 days of waiting!
https://twitter.com/moonknight/status/1483270203152629763?t=WVtlu7uy0ZWUtuSWOlhSaA&s=19
Seeing the Moon-arang with blood on it really makes me think this might be TV-MA or as close to it as Disney/Marvel can make it!
Edit - and here is the trailer on Twitter!
https://twitter.com/moonknight/status/1483273035150884864?t=cPUTD0EMVFnuL63JnzoCGA&s=19
Edit 2 - and on YouTube
https://youtu.be/x7Krla_UxRg
-Marc.
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Oh that looks really good...
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Watched it again on Facebook and it had caption on. Looks like Ethan Hawke's antagonist is named Arthur Harrow, who, upon a Google search, has only appeared in 1 issue of the Moon Knight comic from 1985, so it'll be interesting to see how they use/expand upon the character and if they'll keep him faithful to the comics.
-Marc.
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https://youtu.be/aSuOsyrTLHY
:metal
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Was actually really surprised.
A lot of time (....all of it?) spent on the Steven Grant personality. No obvious Marc stuff, but I'm sure it was there.
Very very intrigued! Color me excited.
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]Posted it last night! (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57178.0) 🌙
-Marc.
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https://youtu.be/pPC049JCdMg
Here you can see Moon Knight stars Oscar Isaac and Ethan Hawke react to the new trailer!
-Marc.
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Was actually really surprised.
A lot of time (....all of it?) spent on the Steven Grant personality. No obvious Marc stuff, but I'm sure it was there.
Very very intrigued! Color me excited.
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I'm only vaguely aware of this character (have had a couple of volumes of the book on my to-read list for a while but they never made it to the top) but the trailer looks ace.
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https://youtu.be/KM3Yx-5Ymiw
New TV spot for Moon Knight!
-Marc.
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Yeah, that looked hawt!
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So a LOT of clips have been posted over the last couple of weeks in the run-up to the premier tonight/tomorrow morning, and I've seen a few but on the whole, I've avoided most of them. Hopefully those clips aren't from the back-half of the series and we haven't been spoiled of anything major, though there have been some very interesting moments teased already!
Less than 12 hours to go, but I'll be watching it tomorrow morning (as staying up til 3-4am tonight would be out of the question).
-Marc.
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I’ve avoided most of the clips other than the initial trailers.
I assume we can be spoiler free for the first day or so? Not everyone can watch it the second it’s released and sometimes it’s spoiled so quickly. But if not, that’s fine. I’ll just avoid the thread. Though it’d be cool to see initial reactions without spoilers.
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I watched 3 or four of the spots, and the one video that was a 60-second or so segment of the show ("get the suit" or something like that?). But otherwise, I've also tried to stay away.
jingle.son is busy as hell with school right now, so it's a tossup as to whether or not we'll be able to pound this back tomorrow or Thursday.
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I’ve avoided most of the clips other than the initial trailers.
I assume we can be spoiler free for the first day or so? Not everyone can watch it the second it’s released and sometimes it’s spoiled so quickly. But if not, that’s fine. I’ll just avoid the thread. Though it’d be cool to see initial reactions without spoilers.
I'm down with keeping spoilers out until Thursdays. It's just six weeks/episodes anyway. I'll adjust the thread title to reflect this!
-Marc.
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Just watched the first episode and HOO BOY, what a ride this was! Definitely a very captivating first episode, and I loved the way they handled certain aspects of Steven Grant's DID. The cinematography was pretty top-notch, and the FX were really good, IMO, especially for a non-film MCU property. This might be the best first episode of a Disney+ MCU show so far, and I'm really intrigued to learn more about Moon Knight. I think they did a good job of giving us just enough of a new character to keep us wanting to come back for me.
-Marc.
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Marc, any concern about the content for kids? In the past, I wouldn't have even questioned it. But given the direction Marvel and D+ have been moving, I feel like I now have to be more proactive.
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Marc, any concern about the content for kids? In the past, I wouldn't have even questioned it. But given the direction Marvel and D+ have been moving, I feel like I now have to be more proactive.
I would say the content is at least TV-14, there are some moments that might be scary for younger kids, there is a bit of violence and blood, but nothing explicitly gory or gross (yet). It's nowhere near as gruesome as, say, Daredevil or The Punisher. There are also some moments that might be considering horror, or jump scare-like, but it depends on how you view such things and what your threshold for those sorts of moments are in media. If you're concerned, it's always b est to screen the episode yourself and check it out, but I think teens could watch it OK, but anyone under 12 might be concerned. Then again, I saw parents take their two 10-and-younger sons to see The Batman on opening weekend, so I'm not sure what parents' thoughts on violence are these days! :lol
-Marc.
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Loved the first episode. The editing and pace were fantastic, as was Oscar Isaac. Looking forward to the next one!
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Then again, I saw parents take their two 10-and-younger sons to see The Batman on opening weekend, so I'm not sure what parents' thoughts on violence are these days! :lol
-Marc.
I saw what appeared to be 6-year old-ish kids at The Batman. :omg:
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Ok...that was a fucking dope first episode. :omg:
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Ok...that was a fucking dope first episode. :omg:
Yup. I agree with Marc ... best 1st episode of a Marvel series so far.
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I think what helps this series is that it is completely uncharted territory, with brand new (to the MCU) characters without very little established back story or references to prior events. Every Disney+ MCU show last year drew upon past films and characters (WandaVision, obviously drawing up several films featuring the title characters; Falcon & Winter Soldier continuing on from TWS and CW; Loki expanding the 2012 Loki we saw in Endgame; and Hawkeye following, well, Hawkeye), although those four shows did give us new heroes/villains (Monica Rambeau and SWORD, Isaiah and Eli Bradley, Sylvie and the TVA, and Kate Bishop).
Funny enough, the TV shows followed up old characters while, for the most part, the films last year gave us new ones (Yelena Belova, Shang-Chi, and all of the Eternals - not counting Spider-Man, though you could say that all of the multiverse men were "new" to the MCU). This year it's the opposite, with 3 highly anticipated sequels in the cinemas (Doctor Strange, Thor, and Black Panther), and pretty new characters on the small screen (Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, and She-Hulk). Whether or not this was done on purpose, who knows, but Feige has a master plan so I trust his guidance of the MCU!
-Marc.
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Really trippy episode there. Loving F Murray Abraham as the voice guy thing!
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Really trippy episode there. Loving F Murray Abraham as the voice guy thing!
Exactly. That was a MONEY get for them. He was great.
I loved the first episode, but my wife is completely lost lol
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Saw it. It was pretty fun. Curious to see where this goes.
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Loved the first episode. My favourite of the Marvel tv shows so far (although I did really enjoy WandaVision too).
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Really fun first episode. If I were writing a Moon Knight series, I would not have come up with using Steven Grant as a framing device, but if they're trying to move a little away from the ultra dark and gritty stuff into something a bit more captivating and public friendly, it's a great idea.
I do hope, however, that the narrative changes more to Mark sooner rather than later.
But yea, really dug it! Great acting from everyone, and really interesting writing/directing. Anyone else notice it was written by the dude who did Fan4stick? Nice redemption there.
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Watched it tonight. Not sure what I just saw and I hope the whole series isn’t this discombobulating. But I felt it when that guy ordered the steak.
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Since we can spoil it now, I just have one thought that popped into my head
That end scene of Moon Knight beating that dog thing was just so on point. Just a brutal character who has no fear and doesn’t resort to powers beyond beating the hell out of people. Really loved just how in character it was. Silently punching the thing to complete submission.
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Since we can spoil it now, I just have one thought that popped into my head
That end scene of Moon Knight beating that dog thing was just so on point. Just a brutal character who has no fear and doesn’t resort to powers beyond beating the hell out of people. Really loved just how in character it was. Silently punching the thing to complete submission.
My favorite part of that was seeing the jackal trying to get away from him. It wasn't that MK was in there with the jackal, it was that the jackal was in there with MK. Very nice piece of visual storytelling to show just how frightening MK can be.
-Marc.
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Since we can spoil it now, I just have one thought that popped into my head
That end scene of Moon Knight beating that dog thing was just so on point. Just a brutal character who has no fear and doesn’t resort to powers beyond beating the hell out of people. Really loved just how in character it was. Silently punching the thing to complete submission.
My favorite part of that was seeing g the jackal trying to get away from him. It wasn't that MK was in there with the jackal, it was that the jackal was in there with MK. Very nice piece of visual storytelling to show just how frightening MK can be.
-Marc.
So much that.. How they managed to transfer the jackal from a feirce beast to absolutely Fearing for its life. Such a clever use of the scene to show his absolute power.
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Caught episode two earlier this morning and WOOO what a trip that was! I'm really enjoying what they're doing with the Steven/Marc dynamic, and slowly unraveling his relationships with the others in the cast is fascinating. I know in the comics Marc has more than just Steven as part of his personalities, but I'm glad we're staying grounded with just Steven for now. It helps the audience feel invested in learning about Marc as much as Steven is, and it's a smart way to introduce Marc without being over-blown exposition for the sake of info dumping, or just tossing out a single line of dialog to hand-wave some important backstory ("Somehow, Palpatine has returned").
I can't say I liked this episode much more than the first, but it wasn't worse. Definitely on par with the first episode, so I hope they keep up this pace and movement in the story!
-Marc.
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I liked it a bit more - mostly because I watch Marvel for the story AND the action. I do like the pacing, and how the unravelling of the story is happening. Wasn't expecting the twist that Steven came up with. That was a pleasant surprise.
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The inner battle between Steven/Marc is fascinating.
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I liked it a bit more - mostly because I watch Marvel for the story AND the action.
I watched it twice, and the second time through, I was truck with how little action there is. The first time through, it felt like there was a good amount. But the second time through, I was surprised to see that there actually wasn't.
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I liked it a bit more - mostly because I watch Marvel for the story AND the action.
I watched it twice, and the second time through, I was truck with how little action there is. The first time through, it felt like there was a good amount. But the second time through, I was surprised to see that there actually wasn't.
Still more than in Ep 1.
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I gotta watch it again, I checked it out after a 13 hour day and kept nodding off and missing shit. :lol
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I'm loving this show so far.
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2nd episode also excellent. Loving it.
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You look like a psycho Colonel Sanders. :lol
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Ok, watched it with a bit more focus, and I'm really intrigued by what's going on. Mind you, I have zero knowledge of Moon Knight heading into this, so the whole mythos is new to me. Gonna be a fun ride for sure, very very curious to see how they tie this into the MCU at some point.
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I'm with you on all of that. I read somewhere that there will be very few tie-ins to the bigger MCU though.
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Not sure about this. The first episode was fine, the second episode wasn't so good - it also felt like a lot of padding and repeating in that second episode. Hopefully where the episode ending means with story might kick on now.
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Ok, watched it with a bit more focus, and I'm really intrigued by what's going on. Mind you, I have zero knowledge of Moon Knight heading into this, so the whole mythos is new to me. Gonna be a fun ride for sure, very very curious to see how they tie this into the MCU at some point.
Jingle.son read up on something that is kinda unique to MK at this point - there's been no reference whatsoever to either the Battle of NY, or The Blip. Every other show and movie in the MCU makes mention or ties back to one or the other in some capacity.
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Ok, watched it with a bit more focus, and I'm really intrigued by what's going on. Mind you, I have zero knowledge of Moon Knight heading into this, so the whole mythos is new to me. Gonna be a fun ride for sure, very very curious to see how they tie this into the MCU at some point.
Jingle.son read up on something that is kinda unique to MK at this point - there's been no reference whatsoever to either the Battle of NY, or The Blip. Every other show and movie in the MCU makes mention or ties back to one or the other in some capacity.
I believe one of the double deckers had an ad for the GRC, the Global Repatriation Council, which was revealed in The Falcon And The Winter Soldier. I guess that indirectly references the blip, so at very least we can surmise that this show takes place after Endgame (October 2023). But there have been no references to Spider-Man Far From Home and the attack in London (summer 2024), or Eternals' events.
Pretty sure they're keeping this fairly vague with regards to references so it doesn't have to fit into a specific time frame.
-Marc.
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I think I read that it definitely takes place after the blip but that the first four (at least) episodes don't really reference the MCU much. But that's based off screeners people were sent, I don't think anyone has seen the final two episodes to comment on them.
Second episode was good, but I do have a few little issues
1) I don't like what they did the Mr. Knight persona. I was never a big fan of Mr. Knight in the comics, so it didn't bug me too much, but Mr. Knight isn't an altar ego, it's still Mark, but he's just playing more of a detective/cop role instead. Making it Steven in a suit was a bit silly, but I can easily get past that.
2) The fight against the invisible Jackel thing felt just a bit more silly than it should've been.
But overall, it's a really fantastic show so far.
Does anyone have any idea what accent Layla is going for? It felt like it was a weird mix of American and Irish, but then I looked at the actress is Egyptian/Palestinian and studied in America. So is she putting on a partial Irish accent? Felt odd.
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Also fun little east egg I noticed on the top of a bus was WBN 0032. Which stands for Werewolf by Night, issue 32, which is the first appearance by Moon Knight.
I only point it out cause I'm awful at catching those things and felt proud I finally caught one :lol
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Adami watching latest episode ...
(https://c.tenor.com/5Z-lf2IeYuUAAAAd/i-understood-that-reference-chris-evans.gif)
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Also fun little east egg I noticed on the top of a bus was WBN 0032. Which stands for Werewolf by Night, issue 32, which is the first appearance by Moon Knight.
I only point it out cause I'm awful at catching those things and felt proud I finally caught one :lol
I saw that one too.
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Also fun little east egg I noticed on the top of a bus was WBN 0032. Which stands for Werewolf by Night, issue 32, which is the first appearance by Moon Knight.
I only point it out cause I'm awful at catching those things and felt proud I finally caught one :lol
I saw a recent episode of Pawn Stars where someone came in with a certified 9.8 copy of that issue... Est value 50k.
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Also fun little east egg I noticed on the top of a bus was WBN 0032. Which stands for Werewolf by Night, issue 32, which is the first appearance by Moon Knight.
I only point it out cause I'm awful at catching those things and felt proud I finally caught one :lol
I saw a recent episode of Pawn Stars where someone came in with a certified 9.8 copy of that issue... Est value 50k.
I have a couple of issues of WBN, but sadly, not that one.
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The QR code that’s shown on ep 2 works and it takes you to MK comic
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ep 3 it's full packed of action, I think this is my favorite so far.
I wonder if Morgat is not dead, I supposed he will come back.
I was watching ep 2 last night in anticipation of the new one and noticed that in the street fight of Steven with the white suit against the jackal we can see this:
(https://i.ibb.co/q0cy1xw/Captura-de-Pantalla-2022-04-13-a-la-s-10-36-47.png)
GCR:
(https://i.ibb.co/9Tfb73F/Captura-de-Pantalla-2022-04-13-a-la-s-10-32-21.png)
As seen on The Eternals, confirming that MK is in the same timeline after the BLIP
(https://i.ibb.co/jRBXZZq/Captura-de-Pantalla-2022-04-13-a-la-s-10-34-42.png)
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LOVED episode 3, a new location, a new mystery regarding Steven/Marc, and a nice action set piece with Moon Knight. The visual effects are getting better with each episode as well!
-Marc.
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Awesome episode, the fight scene in the middle was fucking amazing.
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Maybe I was just tired but I thought episode 3 was boring.
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I need to rewatch it as I nodded of near the end but I was also bored by that one. Gods, rituals, blah, bloat.
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Harrow's trial with the gods was just awful writing and made them looks so dumb. The whole show hasn't really engaged me yet, I also can't believe we are now halfway though - the second half really needs to kick into gear as for me at the minute this is the weakest of the Disney shows.
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Maybe I was just tired but I thought episode 3 was boring.
Ep 3 didn't work for me either.
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It was one thing that completely confused me.
Near the beginning of the episode, Harrow used the scarab to find the tomb. He even insisted that everyone keep digging no matter what happened. But then the rest of the episode seemed to be obsessed with who would find the tomb first. And I was thinking, “What? He already found it! Game over! They’re already digging! Why are they still hunting for it as if no one knows where it is?”
Did I miss something?
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It was one thing that completely confused me.
Near the beginning of the episode, Harrow used the scarab to find the tomb. He even insisted that everyone keep digging no matter what happened. But then the rest of the episode seemed to be obsessed with who would find the tomb first. And I was thinking, “What? He already found it! Game over! They’re already digging! Why are they still hunting for it as if no one knows where it is?”
Did I miss something?
I thought Harrow was just trying to prevent the protagonists from finding it before he could dig it up. So, he lies to the court about what he's up to, then shows up to destroy the sarcophagus before they can get information from it.
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It was one thing that completely confused me.
Near the beginning of the episode, Harrow used the scarab to find the tomb. He even insisted that everyone keep digging no matter what happened. But then the rest of the episode seemed to be obsessed with who would find the tomb first. And I was thinking, “What? He already found it! Game over! They’re already digging! Why are they still hunting for it as if no one knows where it is?”
Did I miss something?
I got the sense he's just trying to ensure Marc/MK doesn't find the location and fuck things up for him.
What I wasn't following was the whole step from 3rd personality killing that trio, to Layla getting them to Mogart and that other tomb.... ie, knowing that this was going to help them. Did I zone out on something.
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What I wasn't following was the whole step from 3rd personality killing that trio, to Layla getting them to Mogart and that other tomb.... ie, knowing that this was going to help them. Did I zone out on something.
That was one of many things about this episode that I thought were confusing. And not as in "they're being mysterious about it, and the truth will be revealed later," but more as in "this is just really confusing." I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that things will make sense in the end. But it seems like a lot of thread are unnecessarily confusing and convolluted, and they aren't inspiring confidence in me in the way that, for example, the early episodes of Wandavision did.
Harrow's trial with the gods was just awful writing and made them looks so dumb.
Agreed. Even if they were all impatient and inclined to be dismissive of Khonshu due to whatever happened in the past, freeing Ammit seems to be a big enough deal that they should have cared a bit more about digging into the facts rather than so easily just essentially saying, "Well, the accused said he didn't do it, so that's good enough for us. And he raised this side issue, so we should just be distracted by that instead."
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What I wasn't following was the whole step from 3rd personality killing that trio, to Layla getting them to Mogart and that other tomb.... ie, knowing that this was going to help them. Did I zone out on something.
That was one of many things about this episode that I thought were confusing. And not as in "they're being mysterious about it, and the truth will be revealed later," but more as in "this is just really confusing." I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that things will make sense in the end. But it seems like a lot of thread are unnecessarily confusing and convolluted, and they aren't inspiring confidence in me in the way that, for example, the early episodes of Wandavision did.
It was as if they just needed to move the story/plot along to get to a certain point (ie, Khonshu rewinding the skies, and getting imprisoned), without any explanation.
(https://c.tenor.com/APSdsNRA6CkAAAAd/somehow-palpatine-returned-somehow.gif)
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I really enjoyed the episode, but I agree it had some major writing problems.
It felt like they were writing certain parts and were just like "Moving on!" without finishing or fleshing them out. The whole sub plot with the sarcophagus and star map and needing to the find the guy who has the thing....it was just so quick, rushed, and ultimately unnecessary.
That said, it's interesting that they're likely going to introduce Jake Lockly at some point. Curious how Oscar will portray him whenever we get to meet him.
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Finally caught up with the 3 episodes, it's really interesting and I agree with the writing and editing on episode 3 being odd and confusing. I mean I get that what they were trying to do but it wasn't done well.
I loved the first two epsiodes. I too know nothing about Moon Knight so I don't have any particular connection with the story, I like what I see so far.
I think I'm unsure about Harrow and his "powers", is he an avatar for someone? He mentioned that Khonshu used to be controlling him and now Harrow's trying to awaken Amit(sp?), so how does Harrow have those powers?
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I assumed he was Amit's avatar or wanting to be? Since he was using what I assume is her powers with that cane? Can a dead god still have an avatar?
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Maybe I was just tired but I thought episode 3 was boring.
Ep 3 didn't work for me either.
I was tired and I fell asleep about half way through. Woops!
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I thought it was pretty cool, but I really don't know what the fuck is going on with this show, and we're halfway through now. I was thinking it was going to start making more sense, not less.
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Still loving the show, but Harrow's "trial" was definitely a really weak moment.
"Oh, he says he didn't do it, that's good enough for me".
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Still loving the show, but Harrow's "trial" was definitely a really weak moment.
"Oh, he says he didn't do it, that's good enough for me".
That part didn’t really bother me. Because from their point of view, an “innocent” man with no track record was being accused by someone who already had a bad track record, and was in an obvious state of instability.
They were no more going to listen to him than a modern judge would listen to a story from a mentally unwell homeless person about how I was conspiring to steal his Raggety Ann doll.
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^I get that maybe that's what they were going for. But that isn't what they sold at all, which is why a lot of people aren't buying it.
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Whew what a tense episode that took me places I was NOT expecting, especially that second half! I'm glad to see Layla getting a lot more screen time and Harrow continues to be creepily intimidating. I can't imagine where this will go next as we head into the final two episodes!
-Marc.
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Crazy episode and the 2nd half of it felt like a tease. I guess it leads to more questions lol.
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I enjoyed this much episode much more than last weeks. The ending was kinda weird, but overall it was much better.
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I enjoyed this much episode much more than last weeks. The ending was kinda weird, but overall it was much better.
Same. The ending was a big ...um what? moment for me but I expect the next episode will do some explaining.
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Yeah, that ending had me wondering if the writers of Legion were given a scene to write. Would've been right at home in that show.
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Really great episode. Very Indiana Jones at times, with some legit creepy moments. The ending was definitely cool and I'm excited to see where it goes
Probably the best episode of the show thus far, and a big improvement over the rush job of the last episode (that I also really liked mostly).
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I'll second the creepy... When the click-monster was trying to stab her face with the shattered end of his forearm bones.... Yikes...
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Yeah that was a step up for the show, easily the best episode.
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I really hope they play this next time that weird god shows up.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7GPydEYsFDg
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So I fell asleep during the last episode and wasn’t sure why there were where they were in this episode. My wife who did not fall asleep was not sure why they were there either. What a hard show to follow! I think it would help to have a little more explanation for some of the core elements of the show (why are there 2 personalities for Mark/Stephen for one thing). As it is, I’m just kind of along for the ride and not very invested in anything.
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So I fell asleep during the last episode and wasn’t sure why there were where they were in this episode. My wife who did not fall asleep was not sure why they were there either. What a hard show to follow! I think it would help to have a little more explanation for some of the core elements of the show (why are there 2 personalities for Mark/Stephen for one thing). As it is, I’m just kind of along for the ride and not very invested in anything.
Dissociative Identity Disorder.
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So I fell asleep during the last episode and wasn’t sure why there were where they were in this episode. My wife who did not fall asleep was not sure why they were there either. What a hard show to follow! I think it would help to have a little more explanation for some of the core elements of the show (why are there 2 personalities for Mark/Stephen for one thing). As it is, I’m just kind of along for the ride and not very invested in anything.
Dissociative Identity Disorder.
I mean, I can imagine that’s what’s going on, but does the show spell out whether he has a mental disorder of some sort or if it’s some side effect of being an avatar for an Egyptian god, or what?
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I think it says that he’s had the identity disorder before becoming the avatar. And that he may have even been chosen because of it.
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I think it says that he’s had the identity disorder before becoming the avatar. And that he may have even been chosen because of it.
I probably just missed that. It is odd that his wife seems to have no idea he has two personalities though.
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Layla is quite aware that he has at least two personalities, and at this point has accepted it. When Marc is in control, there have been times she asks him to give control over to Steven, who has knowledge relevant to what they're trying to do. There is also a rather unique love triangle forming between Marc, Layla, and Steven. Layla is still pretty pissed at Marc, and has discussed this with Steven. The show is pretty confusing about a number of things, but I think they've handled the DID issues really well.
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Layla is quite aware that he has at least two personalities, and at this point has accepted it. When Marc is in control, there have been times she asks him to give control over to Steven, who has knowledge relevant to what they're trying to do. There is also a rather unique love triangle forming between Marc, Layla, and Steven. Layla is still pretty pissed at Marc, and has discussed this with Steven. The show is pretty confusing about a number of things, but I think they've handled the DID issues really well.
I think she seems to know about it now, but the first few episodes she seemed to have no idea what was going on.
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I think it says that he’s had the identity disorder before becoming the avatar. And that he may have even been chosen because of it.
I probably just missed that. It is odd that his wife seems to have no idea he has two personalities though.
I don't remember that being outright mentioned in anyway. If it was, I also missed it. I assumed there was more explanation still to come.
Layla is quite aware that he has at least two personalities, and at this point has accepted it. When Marc is in control, there have been times she asks him to give control over to Steven, who has knowledge relevant to what they're trying to do. There is also a rather unique love triangle forming between Marc, Layla, and Steven. Layla is still pretty pissed at Marc, and has discussed this with Steven. The show is pretty confusing about a number of things, but I think they've handled the DID issues really well.
I think she seems to know about it now, but the first few episodes she seemed to have no idea what was going on.
Also agree with this. The first few episodes, she didn't seem to know what was wrong with him or who Steven was.
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That's true. But to be fair, the first couple episodes no one knew what was going on, including the audience. I think Steven is the audience surrogate, learning about Marc and Layla and Khonshu along with us. But you said "seems" (present tense) and I wanted to point out that she's figured it out at this point, possibly better than Marc/Steven have.
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I thought this was hilarious by Oscar Isaac and wished somehow it was made it in the episode
"My brother and I, there's this meme that we think is really, really funny. It's this English kid that's got a tie on his head. He's rapping, and then just a punch comes out of nowhere and punches him and he goes, "Oh, f**k, I can't believe you've done this!" A lot of people know what I'm talking about. And so I was like, 'We've got to find an opportunity to do that.'"
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So that was quite an episode, very Mr. Robot like. I think this show needed a few more episodes to take in all the things happening. The last two episodes they've packed a ton of stuff without letting you process what's going on. Mr. Robot tackled a lot of the same things but revealed them at a much steadier pace.
Oscar Isaac acted the hell out of this episode but again with so much happening during the episode, you really aren't able to process it all.
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That was one hell of an episode (no pun intended). Definitely agree with faizoff - Oscar Isaac really put his acting chops to work here. There was a lot going on emotionally and I'd say it's probably one of the better penultimate episodes of any Disney+ MCU show. Reminds me of WandaVision episode 8, but this one definitely hit pretty hard.
I'm surprised there was no tag or post-credits scene on this one, but I guess they're saving that for the finale next week. Hard to believe it's already been five episodes! I really hope we get more Moon Knight/Marc/Steven in the future after this, either in a film or another full season. They definitely knew who to put up first this year as far as Disney+ MCU content. I've seen a lot of MCU/Comic book fans complain that there hasn't been a lot of "Moon Knight" in Moon Knight, but, as someone who hasn't read MK comics, I don't mind the absence of the caped hero. The more interesting aspect of Marc Spector has been his trauma and his DID, his alter(s), and how they impact his life. Becoming Moon Knight is just part of him and not the whole story, so I like that we've gotten to see his life the way this show has presented it, especially starting it off with Steven rather than Marc.
-Marc.
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Wow....I'm absolutely fucking speechless...not even sure where to begin. With so much going on, so much to process, and being completely emotionally gut punched to boot, it's really hard to zero in on what to mention.
First...Isaac's acting, just amazing. Perfection. The script, so devious in how it maneuvers us from here to there, without really letting the big feels out until it's way too late. The production is absolute perfection in every way. I agree with the above statement that this might be the best MCU episode yet. I'll be watching this one many times this weekend.
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Wow....I'm absolutely fucking speechless...not even sure where to begin. With so much going on, so much to process, and being completely emotionally gut punched to boot, it's really hard to zero in on what to mention.
First...Isaac's acting, just amazing. Perfection. The script, so devious in how it maneuvers us from here to there, without really letting the big feels out until it's way too late. The production is absolute perfection in every way. I agree with the above statement that this might be the best MCU episode yet. I'll be watching this one many times this weekend.
I'm with you on all of that. Last week, I was feeling like, unless something drastic happened, this was easily going to be the weakest of the live action D+ shows. After this week, it is up there at the top. Can't wait to see how this ends. What an arc already. Floored.
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That was fantastic. Dealt with some really dark stuff, much more than the MCU has previously. Oscar Isaac delivered a tour de force.
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That was fantastic. Dealt with some really dark stuff, much more than the MCU has previously. Oscar Isaac delivered a tour de force.
Honestly, not sure why I didn't expect something that dark... Severe abuse is the hallmark of DID.. Just never clicked with me I guess, or maybe I was expecting some more fantastical cause from Marvel. They handled it as tactfully as they could considering the initial concept.
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Yeah, so that was really something. What is real? What is really real, as opposed to just the reality we create for ourselves? And does it really matter?
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Agreed that was really good, the best episode yet. And yeah, finally some clarification about what is going on and why. It likely had more impact now than it would have if it were revealed earlier in the show. I guess the question now is if that is the end of Steven (has Mark come to terms with his past and is he now able to cope without his alternate personality?), or if he comes back for some reason.
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I think this show needs more episodes to flesh out stuff, I think way too much stuff happens in the episodes to make a big impact. The finale was fine and some good tying up of things. But it mostly ended like most of these kinds of setups go, so expected and a lot of run of the mill stuff just in a different setting, country, etc..
I think I found the beginning episodes great, and the latter ones just alright. Still a good show worth checking out, not sure if they have plans for any continuation, Oscar Isaac was fantastic in his role. I think they made Ethan Hawke too generic bad guy villian type by the end.
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The finale was pretty good! I enjoyed it and there were some twists and turns I didn't expect, and a couple things I did expect that actually happened. As far as Disney+ MCU Finales go, I liked it quite a bit! Was it the best? Ehhhh... up for debate, but it wasn't the worst either. Some great action moments, a couple of key character moments, and of course some good music, but if you weren't enjoying the show up til now, you probably won't enjoy the finale any more than the last couple of episodes.
Also, there IS a post-credits scene!!! Be sure not to skip it!!!
-Marc.
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That was really good. I was a bit cold on the series as a whole up until episode 5, which was incredible. This one was a very satisfying finale for what had built up to this point. Some mild spoilers below. Nothing earth-shattering that should really be a surprise to anyone that has been following the show up to this point, but I'll put the spoiler warnings nonetheless.
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The one thing that bugged me a bit was how out of nowhere it was that there was a spell to bind Ammit to Harrow's body, and how that was the method to defeat her. Maybe it was telegraphed somewhere and I missed it, but it just seemed like it was out of nowhere and too convenient. I get that the knowledge of how to do that came from Taweret, but it needed to be set up earlier, through Taweret, the other avatars, or both. That plot point, as well as other stuff with the other avatars, was just rushed and too easily brushed aside, IMO.
Kind of related to that, I felt that Taweret's real power was a bit disconnected from how cutesy they played her character's true form. Don't get me wrong--I think the cutesiness was unexpectedly refreshing. But I think the character would have benefitted from maybe flashing a few moments earlier on that showed that she is pretty powerful and not to be underestimated despite her sweet demeanor.
Those two things aside, everything else was very, very good, IMO.
I will take a HARD disagree with the comment about Harrow being a "generic" villain. I thought he was pretty well developed and, despite being crazy, was actually pretty deep and had concrete, complex motivations.
Consistent with D+ tv shows, and contrary to most of the phase 4 films, the final act CGI-laden big battle was awesome and pretty satisfying. I mean, I could have done with a bit substance to the fight scenes with Khonshu and Ammit other than just the two of them throwing each other around. But otherwise, it was pretty good. And I was actually pretty blown away with the CGI on Khunshu and [especially] Ammit. Moon Knight still seemed a bit fake looking to me at times. But Khonshu and Ammit looked really good.
Layla in avatar form: Her costume was fantastic. And I liked the little fan service moment of the girl asking her if she was an Egyptian super hero and the question prompting Layla to instantly grasp the import of that and answering in the affirmative.
I like that we are left still asking questions about what is "real" and what isn't. The post-credit scene (actually, mid-credit scene) was great in that regard.
Prior to the mid-credit scene, I loved how they handled the Jake personality. I loved how it was strongly implied to the point where there was no doubt, but they still didn't actually say or show that it was Jake. I have mixed feelings on the actual reveal in the mid-credits scene. On one hand, I think the not-reveal up to that point and leaving it dangling was perfect, so it was a shame to undermine that. On the other hand, it was done well. And the scene served to further underscore Khonshu's moral ambiguousness as well, which I think was a good move, especially since the finale prior to that point perhaps made him feel a bit more "good" and "traditionally heroic" than he had been portrayed in earlier episodes.
Overall, not sure where I would rank this one, but I enjoyed it a lot. To me, it had a strong start, really bogged down in the middle two episodes, and then had a strong finish.
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Fun and satisfying ending, didn't come close to Ep5 though. I'll give further thoughts later.
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Ending was fine. Had good moments, but felt a lot like "We got to do a LOT of stuff really quick and I don't care how we do it." I didn't dislike it, but felt a little underwhelmed by it.
Now that it's done, I was re-reading a bunch of the early-mid 2000's run of Moon Knight and remembered just how different this itteration is. Like, other than being called Moon Knight who is the avatar of Khonshu and also have alternate personalities named Jake and Steven, they have almost nothing in common. Not a bad thing, necessarily, but that was my favorite run of Moon Knight. I like that they changed it for Disney cause it needed to be much much much lighter than say.....Khonshu appearing as a man with his face ripped off dressed as a Nazi screaming at Marc to kill Captain America and egging Spector on to murder everyone in the most brutal ways possible.
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Granted I have never read a Moon Knight comic in my life, but I really loved this iteration of the character and felt that he (and the show overall) didn't need to be any more brutal and dark. It took that direction much farther than any other MCU property thus far, but still somehow managed to fit with the overall tone of the MCU, and I thought that worked great. And the stellar acting by the two male leads really sold the emotion of the show, IMO.
I get that there's often an almost automatic bias toward how we were first introduced to something. That's why we sometimes prefer a cover song to an original if we heard that first, or a live version to the original, or vice versa. I think the same is true here. You like the comic better because you were introduced to it and became emotionally invested in it long before seeing the show. I may very likely be biased toward the show because that's how I was introduced to the character. Or maybe the comic actually is of a much higher quality and I just don't know that yet because I haven't given it a shot. But what I do know is that I really liked the show and this iteration of the character.
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Haven't watched a single episode yet....was waiting for it all to be available so I could jam through it.....plan to do that soon.
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Granted I have never read a Moon Knight comic in my life, but I really loved this iteration of the character and felt that he (and the show overall) didn't need to be any more brutal and dark. It took that direction much farther than any other MCU property thus far, but still somehow managed to fit with the overall tone of the MCU, and I thought that worked great. And the stellar acting by the two male leads really sold the emotion of the show, IMO.
Totally. When they announced a Moon Knight show, I was really nervous cause of how I know him, but they really redefined the character in a good way that fits well with the MCU and so forth. So I'm very happy having both versions.
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I've read that there is no real plan for a S2. Does the series stand up well as a one off?
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I've read that there is no real plan for a S2. Does the series stand up well as a one off?
I think it does, for a one season arc, most of the stuff does get addressed with a few loose threads that can be explored if needed. But it does end up at a good one off season.
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I agree. There is enough that they can easily do future seasons or use the characters in other franchises going forward. But the major plot points were all resolved, so it works as a complete standalone with no dangling threads that aren't resolved.
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I actually have one question lingering from the finale....
...what the hell was it when he spoke in that super thick Chicago accent?
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I actually have one question lingering from the finale....
...what the hell was it when he spoke in that super thick Chicago accent?
A third personality. That’s the reason he was able to release the other two. Because it was still a third personality under “contract“
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I actually have one question lingering from the finale....
...what the hell was it when he spoke in that super thick Chicago accent?
A third personality. That’s the reason he was able to release the other two. Because it was still a third personality under “contract“
But Jake was the third personality and he spoke Spanish, not English with a thick Chicago accent.
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Oh wait. :facepalm: you’re right. I’ve got to go back and watch the ending again now.
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Ending was fine. Had good moments, but felt a lot like "We got to do a LOT of stuff really quick and I don't care how we do it." I didn't dislike it, but felt a little underwhelmed by it.
Pretty much how I felt. Though, I was satisfied by the end of it. I think the series would have really benefited from 2 more episodes - that would've improved some of the pacing issues - This (and the 2nd) episode felt too rushed.
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I liked that they tried something different, but overall I was a bit unsatisfied by the finale. Too much going on that really wasn't explained well. It's like every episode explained a few things, but presented more questions than answers. By the end, I still don't know exactly what is supposed to be real. Maybe that's the point, but I would've liked to have come away thinking "Ah, I get it! That was cool the way they built up to that." Instead it's more "Okay... so... WTF?"
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What a mixed bag.
Really loved the first 2 episodes.
Oscar Isaac was utterly fantastic throughout.
Hated Ethan Hawke's baddie. About as charismatic and threatening as the sandals and brown pyjamas he was wearing.
All the gods stuff was awful. I just could not have given less of a shit about it. All the dialogue about the gods was dreadful, exposition drivel. It really could have been so cool. Moody, tomby... Egyptological? But was wordy, wacky, nonsensical and boring. The main conflict between the two gods was, again, so dull.
It was visually really slick. The Egypt stuff *looked* great.
Layla was engaging. Liked the comment from the girl she saved by the van. :smiley:
Again, Oscar Isaac is amazing. But all in all, dreadful... I'd rather watch Eternals again. Fuck, I'd rather watch Thor 2 again. Super disappointed by it.
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Just finished this, went in with very little knowledge of Moon Knight and can honestly say I didn’t understand much of anything that was happening. It was definitely weird.
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#MoonKnight director Mohamed Diab and Oscar Isaac are currently in Cairo
When asked by a fan if S2 is happening, Oscar Isaac said 'Why else would we be [here] 🤨"
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Gonna spend the next few days doing a rewatch of the phase 4 movies minus Black Widow since I consider it (admittedly incorrectly) phase 3.
Tonight is Shang Chi. Let’s see how they are on a second watch.
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I just rewatched it. Just a fun movie. I enjoy it and it feels fresh.
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Dammit this isn’t the Marvel general thread
We have too many Marvel threads!!!
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#MoonKnight director Mohamed Diab and Oscar Isaac are currently in Cairo
When asked by a fan if S2 is happening, Oscar Isaac said 'Why else would we be [here] 🤨"
Maybe he went there to become the Kwisatz Haderach. ;)
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#MoonKnight director Mohamed Diab and Oscar Isaac are currently in Cairo
When asked by a fan if S2 is happening, Oscar Isaac said 'Why else would we be [here] 🤨"
Maybe he went there to become the Kwisatz Haderach. ;)
Bless the maker and his water.