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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: The Letter M on November 23, 2021, 01:02:54 PM
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So the newest Disney+ MCU show is upon us, and on the eve of its premiere, I figured I'd star the thread. Personally, I've kept up with some of the promo material and have some knowledge of the characters going in, but it'll be interesting to see how it all shakes down, especially given some of the characters' (like Echo) comic counterparts and their relationships with other heroes/villains that may or may not appear in this show (like Kingpin).
I'm just excited to see Hailee Steinfeld in the MCU, and I kind of hope this show paves the way for the Young Avengers finally starting up now that we've seen Elijah Bradley (in TFATWS), Kid Loki (in Loki), and Tommy and Billy Maximoff (in WandaVision), with a new Cassie Lang coming up in Quantumania, plus possibly including other young heroes like Ms. Marvel and Iron Heart (both coming to Disney+).
As for Hawkeye himself, it'll be fun to see him finally break out into a lead role, and I'm interested in learning more about MCU Hawkeye.
-Marc.
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The comic series this is based off of is fantastic, so I am really looking forward to the show. Plus, from the previews, it appears to have a Shane Black-esque, Christmas-set-action-movie vibe that I'm digging.
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Slow day at work, just hammered out both episodes.
This one is gonna be fun. I fucking pissed myself at the LARP scene...
"I fought Thanos...." :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Watched the first two episodes and really enjoyed it! Hailee is amazing and getting more of Jeremy as Clint Varton is always good. Hard to believe he's been at this for a solid decade now since Thor!
I have suspicions about Elenor Bishop and Kate's dad's death. Also, they're really leaning into the Jack-killed-his-uncle narrative that I think it's a red herring.
Cannot wait for more! The dynamic between Kate and Clint is just beginning but I've been enjoying it so far! I had no idea Kate was so skilled, she's got trophies for days!
-Marc.
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Slow day at work, just hammered out both episodes.
This one is gonna be fun. I fucking pissed myself at the LARP scene...
"I fought Thanos...." :rollin :rollin :rollin
Came in here just to call out the LARP scene. Absolute classic!
Hailee's comedic chops are quite good. This whole thing is going to be very tongue-in-cheek. Nice to have some levity.
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This show is awesome! Love, love, LOVE it so far, after these first two episodes.
Opening it up by tying her origin to the battle of NY was a really great move and set a nice tone. And speaking of tone, I like the overall light tone of this, as well as the holiday season tie-in. It is very lighthearted, along the lines of the Ant Man films, but seems pretty grounded and everyday, which is cool.
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Enjoyed the first episode!
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Lalo was great, the guy just oozes charisma. Kate is cool, the tone seems at times home alone-ish. Wonder of it's because it's in NYC and Christmas. Either way. I'm interested but it's kinda just there for me.
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Was reading up on the comic version of Echo, and in the books her father is a soldier of Kingpin. Wouldn't it be epic if they made her father Wesley?
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Loving this so far.
Also that song from Rogers: The Musical was legit awesome. :lol
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Slow day at work, just hammered out both episodes.
This one is gonna be fun. I fucking pissed myself at the LARP scene...
"I fought Thanos...." :rollin :rollin :rollin
The ironic thing about that is that Hawkeye never got within 50 yards of him it seems. And mysteriously, NO ONE was anywhere near Thanos other than the Big 3 and Captain Marvel during the climactic scene of Endgame. I guess he "fought" him in a figurative sense.
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It's not "ironic" at all. I fought Saddam in 1990/91. Never saw him. Never came within 100 miles of him. But I "fought Saddam" alongside my band of brothers. Lots of men and women of a previous generation "fought Hitler," despite never personally seeing or coming into contact with him personally. Everyone knows what that means. Don't overthink it.
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People always go too literal instead of just enjoying a funny line.
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Loving this series. Hawkeye has been the most relatable character from Marvel I think.
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First two episodes were awesome. Can't wait for the rest!
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Loving this so far.
Also that song from Rogers: The Musical was legit awesome. :lol
They've released the full song "Save the City" on YouTube, Spotify, etc.
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I mean, I get that it’s played for comedy…but I honestly felt like Hawkeye watching it.
I got that “uncomfortable laugh” like from a Ben Stiller movie.
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Omg they have Rogers- The Musical posters. Guess we know what my kid is getting for Xmas.
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Omg they have Rogers- The Musical posters. Guess we know what my kid is getting for Xmas.
OMG
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Saw the first two episodes. They're pretty good.
I don't read the comic books and try to avoid trailers, so for some reason I thought this was about Hawkeye and his daughter, who he was teaching to shoot in the movies. That kinda made sense to me.
"... but in the comic books..."
"... but in the trailer it's obviously..."
Yeah yeah yeah.
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Wow what an episode. I really enjoyed the first two but this one was SO Much more of what I was expecting in this series. Great dynamic between Kate and Clint, lots of really cool choreography in the fights and the car chase (the oner in the car was really well shot), and some really emotional moments like Clint on the phone. The final scene has me excited for that duel!!
-Marc.
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Yeah this episode was great. The action sequence was really well done. I enjoyed it quite a bit. The two do have great chemistry together and I really liked the Maya character as well. Would have liked more of Lalo but next episode should be fun.
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The Pym arrow was amazing.
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Fantastic episode
Also the debut of Kingpin’s hand. Maybe we’ll get him one piece at a time.
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The Track Suit guys fucking kill me. I was calling everyone bro in their accent at work tonight. :lol
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Mad Russian's Christmas :metal :metal
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The Track Suit guys fucking kill me. I was calling everyone bro in their accent at work tonight. :lol
I'm pretty invested in what happened with that Imagine Dragons concert!
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The Track Suit guys fucking kill me. I was calling everyone bro in their accent at work tonight. :lol
I'm pretty invested in what happened with that Imagine Dragons concert!
Seriously bro....
Also.. Trust A Bro moving company... I even found a t-shirt for it already :rollin
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I love that their HQ is in a KB Toys warehouse lol
The Pym arrow was fantastic.
Good to see the Kingpin (kind of).
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I love that their HQ is in a KB Toys warehouse lol
The Pym arrow was fantastic.
Good to see the Kingpin (kind of).
I loved the Pym Arrow as well, but it opens up so much possibilities about how it came to be. Like, after Tony's Funeral, did the remaining Avengers approach Hank to be their new tech-guy, especially given that it was his tech that helped them venture into the Quantum Realm and travel time to save the universe. I wonder if Hank was more willing now that Tony was gone, or perhaps he finally felt a sense of duty and responsibility to help the world, especially since he was gone from it for five years. Hopefully we get some answers to that in Quantumania, unless they bring it up in a movie before hand (Multiverse of Madness or Wakanda Forever, more than likely).
Also one thing to note, this series is taking place in December of 2024, which is long after the events of Spider-Man: Far From Home, which was the latest entry in the MCU chronologically speaking until now, which takes place during the summer of 2024 after the school year, and depending on the time frame of No Way Home, Hawkeye may still be long after that film as well. That means the events of Endgame were over 13-14 months ago in the time of the Hawkeye series, which is a LONG time to not see what certain characters have been up to, including Hank Pym, but I have a suspicion that many of the upcoming films will fill in those gaps and by the time we reach the end of 2024 in OUR real world, we may catch up to the MCU in real time and be "current" again.
-Marc.
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Absolutely dope fucking episode, shit just got real.
Prediction time... The watch contains a nanoparticle iron man suit.
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Excellent episode again. Looks like it's two more left, is this show meant to be a one-off season? or will it be like Loki and continue?
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Excellent episode again. Looks like it's two more left, is this show meant to be a one-off season? or will it be like Loki and continue?
Curious to see how it develops. We still got to deal with Maya, Yelena, and hopefully Kingpin. That's a lot of cleanup for two hours.
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That was not the returning character I was expecting, even though Falcon and Black Widow set it up. Astonished that it was not spoiled for me.
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That was a cool ep. Really enjoying this one. Gently getting more involving as it goes on. Love Kate and Clint together.
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Watched the new episode earlier tonight after work and I really enjoyed it. The (un)expected cameo was really exciting, but the highlight for me were the scenes with Clint and Kate in her aunt's apartment. I also loved the use of Silvestri's Endgame score and Balfe's Black Widow score to have some musical callbacks to prior films. The MCU has had a rough time building a musical identity but now that some characters and films have motifs, it makes it more satisfying to hear them again whenever they pop up.
-Marc.
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I believe the watch may belong to Mrs. Barton.
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The thing I'm just baffled about... If Clint and Nat were such tight buds, wouldn't have she told him about the huge adventure taking down the red room, and her sister?
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The thing I'm just baffled about... If Clint and Nat were such tight buds, wouldn't have she told him about the huge adventure taking down the red room, and her sister?
Well after Civil War, Clint was either in prison or house arrest and not to have contact with the Avengers, so they likely didn't talk much. Then, if I remember correctly, after Infinity War (which Clint didn't participate in) he went full Ronan, and they didn't really see each other until she tracked him down to save his family. Might not have come up at that point.
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Also really enjoying this show. It's not about the world, the universe, the multiverse or anything like that. It's just a small story about two non-powered characters. They're playing to their strengths and really making this a character driven show.
I just hope they don't do the normal Marvel thing and try to go HUGE at the very end and end up making it a bit of a mess. There's two episodes left and a whole lot of stuff left to deal with. Hoping they can do it well.
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I just hope they don't do the normal Marvel thing and try to go HUGE at the very end and end up making it a bit of a mess.
Loki Variant shows up in a ship and says "Get in, losers, we're going multiverse-saving."
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I know Marvel overpowers/underpowers people all the time in differing circumstances, but Kate had no business being able to hold her own in that fight. That's my only minor gripe. But really fun episode in so many ways. Really thought we were going to get a full-on Kingpin reveal, but I guess not.
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The thing I'm just baffled about... If Clint and Nat were such tight buds, wouldn't have she told him about the huge adventure taking down the red room, and her sister?
Well after Civil War, Clint was either in prison or house arrest and not to have contact with the Avengers, so they likely didn't talk much. Then, if I remember correctly, after Infinity War (which Clint didn't participate in) he went full Ronan, and they didn't really see each other until she tracked him down to save his family. Might not have come up at that point.
True that. Though, I'd think upon breaking him out of prison, in the plane ride home, and when he says 'what you been up to?'...don't you think that'd come up?
I just hope they don't do the normal Marvel thing and try to go HUGE at the very end and end up making it a bit of a mess.
Loki Variant shows up in a ship and says "Get in, losers, we're going multiverse-saving."
I'd imagine Yelena will have a change of heart and jump to Clint's side to battle Maya and Fisk.
But multiverse saving with Loki sounds cool too.
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Well, Clint knew that that was a Widow trying to kill him. I assumed he knew who that was once her mask came off. Yelena has no idea what happened with Nat's death, just that Clint was there. She's operating off of Julia Louis-Dreyfus's order from the post-credit scene from Black Widow.
I agree, I think they will eventually talk it out and join up. I mean, Marvel has made it pretty clear that Yelena will assume the Black Widow role. Of course, I guess she could become a baddy, but I don't see that. Well, not really sure what JLD's game is since she is recruiting people.
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I'm not really sure Clint knows who Yelena is. Nat apparently had no contact with her since they were kids, up until the events of the Black Widow movie. If she talked to Clint about her and he at least knew of her, I still think it's unlikely that he would have had reason to have seen her to be able to recognize her. But I guess we'll eventually find out.
I'm interested to see how the misunderstanding about Nat's death will play out. It could be resolved almost instantaneously with just a conversation. Or it could drag out for the rest of the season (and possibly STILL not be resolved). I wonder how they'll play it. I guess that largely depends on whether Feige, et al., feel there is a need for it as a plot device in one of the other future MCU projects.
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I just hope they don't do the normal Marvel thing and try to go HUGE at the very end and end up making it a bit of a mess.
Loki Variant shows up in a ship and says "Get in, losers, we're going multiverse-saving."
Dammit, now I won't be happy if it ends any other way!
Also, I assume Maya will have a change of heart at some point? She's got her own show coming. I doubt they'd give a straight up villain their own show, especially one who hasn't had much screen time so far.
Also also, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if Nat didn't mention that stuff. It'd been 6+ years already by the time they would've caught up, and it was hardly a lovely time.
And I doubt he recognized her at all. He just knew she was a widow, that's it.
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Good point about Maya.. She'll definitely go through some transition a la Loki. Maybe an a-hole, but not 100% a dick.
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The thing I'm just baffled about... If Clint and Nat were such tight buds, wouldn't have she told him about the huge adventure taking down the red room, and her sister?
Well after Civil War, Clint was either in prison or house arrest and not to have contact with the Avengers, so they likely didn't talk much. Then, if I remember correctly, after Infinity War (which Clint didn't participate in) he went full Ronan, and they didn't really see each other until she tracked him down to save his family. Might not have come up at that point.
True that. Though, I'd think upon breaking him out of prison, in the plane ride home, and when he says 'what you been up to?'...don't you think that'd come up?
I just hope they don't do the normal Marvel thing and try to go HUGE at the very end and end up making it a bit of a mess.
Loki Variant shows up in a ship and says "Get in, losers, we're going multiverse-saving."
I'd imagine Yelena will have a change of heart and jump to Clint's side to battle Maya and Fisk.
But multiverse saving with Loki sounds cool too.
Plane ride home? From what I can gather, in the time after Civil War and before Cap and Nat break Falcon out of the Raft, I assumed that Clint and Scott negotiated to be with their families, which is why we don't see either with the trio at the start of Infinity War. By the looks of Ant-Man & The Wasp and the opening of Endgame, both Clint and Scott got their agreements to be at home and stayed out of the picture for awhile. Clint also probably didn't contact Nat considering she was a fugitive post-Civil War, and the feds would probably have monitored his communications, so contacting her after the airport battle would compromise her cover
AFAIK, is hasn't been explicitly shown in live media what happened to Nat after the airport battle but a prelude comic showed she escaped being captured and sent to the raft, so I assume the last time Nat and Clint saw each other was at that airport in 2016, and they didn't see each other or speak to each other again til 2023 when she found him on Tokyo, though she was obviously spending years of the Blip looking for him/Ronin (not to be confused with the Kree named Ronan) after realizing his family got dusted. Seven years is a long time not to see your best friend but Clint had a lot of demons and depression during the Blip, and then losing Nat so soon after reuniting with her has put him in a bad spot since Endgame.
The timeline for these events can be a BIT confusing. 😅
-Marc.
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Anyone else kind of really want a movie about Clint's time as Ronin? Don't think it'll ever happen, but two hours of Jeremy Renner fucking up various criminal enterprises would rule :metal
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Anyone else kind of really want a movie about Clint's time as Ronin? Don't think it'll ever happen, but two hours of Jeremy Renner fucking up various criminal enterprises would rule :metal
Not me. I feel more impact from seeing his and his family's reaction to it in Hawkeye than I think I would actually seeing it spelled out in a film. Not every blank has to be filled in.
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Anyone else kind of really want a movie about Clint's time as Ronin? Don't think it'll ever happen, but two hours of Jeremy Renner fucking up various criminal enterprises would rule :metal
None for me. I am not a fan of prequels of any kind. Black Widow was entertaining, I suppose, but easily my least favorite MCU film, for precisely that reason.
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Ahhh, I forgot about the whole home arrest and that Clint wasn't involved in the breakout. It makes much more sense now, thanks for correcting me... I'll take a demerit on my geek cred.
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I've been a little underwhelmed . . . a LOT of Clint sitting around talking to Kate about nothing. Whatever.
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I've been a little underwhelmed . . . a LOT of Clint sitting around talking to Kate about nothing. Whatever.
The show is meant to introduce Kate and finish Clint's story. He's tying up loose ends before he officially retires. Even if it's not necessarily his intention, he's training his replacement.
Hawkeye isn't the most interesting character, but I'm enjoying the show well enough. I haven't found it boring.
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I've been a little underwhelmed . . . a LOT of Clint sitting around talking to Kate about nothing. Whatever.
They’re definitely not talking about nothing. They’re doing pretty good character work with them.
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That’s the one thing I feel like marvel has done better than any other movie franchise. Taking the time to slow down the story and develop the characters. The Eternals may have been the only mild slip in that department. Every other film has taken the time to sit the characters down and get to know about them, their motives, their feelings, their relationships…
It’s very similar to my feelings about Jaws. The scene that absolutely MADE that film for me was The scene where they are all sitting around and getting drunk on the boat. And ironically enough, that scene wasn’t supposed to be in the movie in the first place. It was added later when the shark didn’t work. But those are the types of scenes that separate normal action films from an actual story that I care about when the action starts.
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What I liked about all the D+ shows so far is that we are seeing a vulnerable side of those characters that we either have not seen before, or seen very little of it.
This show has been good so far. Some of the action seemed poorly choreographed, but that's just me nitpicking.
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I'm enjoying it enough, but and I'm not sure if it's the writing or the actress - Kate is really quite annoying at times.
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What I liked about all the D+ shows so far is that we are seeing a vulnerable side of those characters that we either have not seen before, or seen very little of it.
This show has been good so far. Some of the action seemed poorly choreographed, but that's just me nitpicking.
That’s the difference we get from a 2.5 hr movie, and a 4-6 hr series.
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I've been a little underwhelmed . . . a LOT of Clint sitting around talking to Kate about nothing. Whatever.
You're not watching the same show I'm watching.
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I'm enjoying it enough, but and I'm not sure if it's the writing or the actress - Kate is really quite annoying at times.
I *think* that’s sort of intentional. At least Hawkeye finds her annoying.
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Episode five is another stunner. A bit light on the action but some great character moments and scenes, from the cold open, to Kate and her mom bonding. And the "twist" at the end that we all saw coming but to FINALLY have it be confirmed is such a HUGE satisfaction for me. I cannot wait for the finale next week!!!
-Marc.
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Fantastic episode, and yes, the payoff was huge. So... Eleanor hired yelena to kill Clint? Is that how it goes?
And I have no idea how they'll close this in one episode, there's definitely going tbe either season 2 or it'll continue in a spinoff
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Fantastic episode, I don't mind if they continue to another season, I'm loving the characters and story so far. I think episode 1 was the only kinda downer of sorts. But other than that it's been excellent.
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Wow. I just loved that episode. Possibly my favourite ep of any of the Marvel series so far. The pulling in of some huge wider threads was a perfect example of what they do so well.
Don't want to drop any spoilers but there was a short scene in a bathroom that I adored.
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Wow. I just loved that episode. Possibly my favourite ep of any of the Marvel series so far. The pulling in of some huge wider threads was a perfect example of what they do so well.
Don't want to drop any spoilers but there was a short scene in a bathroom that I adored.
I assume you're talking about the opening scene? That was absolutely brilliant.
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That's the one. I had to rewind and immediately rewatch.
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I had a feeling that Kate's mom was dirty from the word go. Something just never sat right with her for me so I'm glad I called that one.
Kudos to them for keeping D'Onofrio as Fisk.
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Wow. FANTASTIC episode.
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I had a feeling that Kate's mom was dirty from the word go. Something just never sat right with her for me so I'm glad I called that one.
Kudos to them for keeping D'Onofrio as Fisk.
There would have been an all out revolt if they didn't. That's his role in perpetuity now.
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Um...this IS the spoiler thread, you know.
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I had a feeling that Kate's mom was dirty from the word go. Something just never sat right with her for me so I'm glad I called that one.
Kudos to them for keeping D'Onofrio as Fisk.
There would have been an all out revolt if they didn't. That's his role in perpetuity now.
Well that and the Edgar-suit
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Um...this IS the spoiler thread, you know.
You're right.
Andrew Garfield was in the episode.
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One thing I haven't seen discussed much (and, yeah, I know we're only a day out from the episode airing) is the implication that Kazi is implicated in, and may have even had direct involvement with, the hit that resulted in William Lopez's death. Although initially played as just another tracksuit goon, although a couple of levels above the rank-and-file minions, it looks like he is more significant. And Maya is on to him. That is going to have consequences.
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One thing I haven't seen discussed much (and, yeah, I know we're only a day out from the episode airing) is the implication that Kazi is implicated in, and may have even had direct involvement with, the hit that resulted in William Lopez's death. Although initially played as just another tracksuit goon, although a couple of levels above the rank-and-file minions, it looks like he is more significant. And Maya is on to him. That is going to have consequences.
I think he, along with Kingpin, will be Echo's primary antagonists in her own series. I think once she discovers the truth about her father's death, she'll turn around, maybe not exactly a hero but definitely not a villain.
-Marc.
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One thing I haven't seen discussed much (and, yeah, I know we're only a day out from the episode airing) is the implication that Kazi is implicated in, and may have even had direct involvement with, the hit that resulted in William Lopez's death. Although initially played as just another tracksuit goon, although a couple of levels above the rank-and-file minions, it looks like he is more significant. And Maya is on to him. That is going to have consequences.
Yep. I believe he will be found to be complicit.
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So it looks like episode 6 is going to be packed. Here are all the things I can think of that were teased as likely to have to play out or be resolved in episode 6 (although some could just be teasers for other series or seasons beyond this one):
-Actual appearance of and confrontation with Kingpin (likely to happen, but not be resolved)
-Confrontation between Maya and Kazi (likely to happen; not sure if will be resolved [most likely with Kazi's death])
-Costumes for Clint and Kate (for sure going to happen)
-Kate officially becomes a superhero (for sure going to happen)
-Confrontation between Yelena and Clint (for sure going to happen; not sure how or whether it will be resolved)
-Confrontation between Kate and her mom (pretty sure going to happen; not sure how or whether it will be resolved; could just be seeds planted for later stuff)
-Reveal of whether Jack is an actual criminal and involved in any of the other stuff going on (not sure; I could see this dangling on indefinitely)
-Setup for other movies and D+ shows (for sure--the only question is: to what extent?)
-Reveal of the significance of the watch (highly likely; but is it something with implications outside of this series?)
-Reveal that Eleanor Bishop is possibly someone of even greater significance (hinted at, but not sure)
-Reveal of Laura Barton's bigger role/past (wouldn't be surprised if this gets left for later)
One of the things I love most about this series so far is the whimsical ways they have established a lot of solid connective tissue to LOTS of parts of the MCU. This last episode did a TON of heavy lifting in that area, and even made the Black Widow film more relevant and made me like it more.
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That "arrest" of Jack felt super fake and staged. I assume the Mom and Jack are actually in on stuff together. Why was literally everyone facing the entrance? That was weird.
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Just saw finale will be 59 minutes long.
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Just saw finale will be 59 minutes long.
So really, about 50 minutes long after you subtract the opening recap and the 7 minutes of credits. Glad to know it'll be the longest episode of the series though!
-Marc.
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I had a feeling that Kate's mom was dirty from the word go. Something just never sat right with her for me so I'm glad I called that one.
Kudos to them for keeping D'Onofrio as Fisk.
There would have been an all out revolt if they didn't. That's his role in perpetuity now.
Well that and the Edgar-suit
Don’t forget that he’s also Thor (see: Adventures in Babysitting)
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The dusting/undusting was really nicely done. It perfectly conveyed the blip from a blipped person's point of view.
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The dusting/undusting was really nicely done. It perfectly conveyed the blip from a blipped person's point of view.
I thought that was a really great display. I didn't quite get what happened at first!
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I didn't get it at first either, but then you saw that the room was different and within seconds there were other visual clues, and I thought "whoa, that was great!"
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I didn't get it at first either, but then you saw that the room was different and within seconds there were other visual clues, and I thought "whoa, that was great!"
Yup, the subtlety of the moment was so perfect
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Just imagining that happening to 3.5B people, who have ZERO knowledge of wtf is going on. Like the band that was playing in the gymnasium in Spider-Man. From their perspective, they're just playing along, feel a little woozy, then a basketball boings off your head. Imagine how many people in the world might have been in the middle of schtupping! :heybaby: then :|
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If you're both dusted, then both come back, there might not be any interruption to the :heybaby:. A brief moment of disorientation, then carry on!
Of course, whoever's bedroom you're in now might be surprised.
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If you're both dusted, then both come back, there might not be any interruption to the :heybaby:. A brief moment of disorientation, then carry on!
Of course, whoever's bedroom you're in now might be surprised.
Good point!
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The whole dusting thing makes no sense to me as I never saw those last few Avengers movies.
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The whole dusting thing makes no sense to me as I never saw those last few Avengers movies.
YOU’RE KILLING ME, SMALLS!!
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In addition to all the awesome moments y'all have pointed out about episode 5, I'd like to give a nod to the highly entertaining moments of the conversation between the track suits while they're driving around, and the discussion between Elena and Kate about mac and cheese! :heart :heart
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In addition to all the awesome moments y'all have pointed out about episode 5, I'd like to give a nod to the highly entertaining moments of the conversation between the track suits while they're driving around, and the discussion between Elena and Kate about mac and cheese! :heart :heart
Yelena (with a Y) was definitely the episode highlight for me. Her banter is so loose and fun but you can tell she's an expert at smooth talking interrogation, buttering up Kate and then getting to the meat of it at the end. Yelena is probably the most threatening person in this series so far (no offense Echo), but we haven't seen if Kingpin will car-door his way onto the scene yet. Teasers for the finale indicate he will have a presence in this week's episode, so I'm excited to see how he'll be handled!
-Marc.
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The whole dusting thing makes no sense to me as I never saw those last few Avengers movies.
WHY
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The whole dusting thing makes no sense to me as I never saw those last few Avengers movies.
WHY
Seriously...
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The whole dusting thing makes no sense to me as I never saw those last few Avengers movies.
WHY
Seriously...
I thought Tim was the only person on the planet that hadn't seen these movies.
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The whole dusting thing makes no sense to me as I never saw those last few Avengers movies.
WHY
Seriously...
I’ve never really enjoyed any of the Marvel movies. My wife likes them so I’ll go with her but I think we both hated Civil War so much that we never saw the others. I do enjoy some of the TV serieses though (Agents of SHIELD, Wandavision).
We watched the first Hawkeye, and then my wife wanted me to watch Black Widow with her (she had already seen it). Black Widow was just stupidly over the top compared to Hawkeye. I have enjoyed Hawkeye though.
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we both hated Civil War so much that we never saw the others.
what
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we both hated Civil War so much that we never saw the others.
what
Oh, it was awful in every way. The worst aspects of Marvel movies taken to the max.
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we both hated Civil War so much that we never saw the others.
what
Oh, it was awful in every way. The worst aspects of Marvel movies taken to the max.
Are you sure you aren't thinking of Age of Ultron?
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we both hated Civil War so much that we never saw the others.
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Oh, it was awful in every way. The worst aspects of Marvel movies taken to the max.
Are you sure you aren't thinking of Age of Ultron?
Or Justice League?
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we both hated Civil War so much that we never saw the others.
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Oh, it was awful in every way. The worst aspects of Marvel movies taken to the max.
Are you sure you aren't thinking of Age of Ultron?
Or Justice League?
the original or the Snyder cut?
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we both hated Civil War so much that we never saw the others.
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Oh, it was awful in every way. The worst aspects of Marvel movies taken to the max.
Are you sure you aren't thinking of Age of Ultron?
Or Justice League?
I mean, I didn’t like Age of Ultron either, but neither of us were interested in sitting through two and half hours of another Avengers movie after Civil War. She didn’t even ask me to go!
Thankfully, my wife has no interest in any non-Marvel super hero movies, so no chance I’m confusing it with Justice League. :-)
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we both hated Civil War so much that we never saw the others.
This just does not compute.
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we both hated Civil War so much that we never saw the others.
This just does not compute.
Yeah, I mean hey, opinions vary, but if you don't like Civil War, then this superhero stuff must not be for you.
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we both hated Civil War so much that we never saw the others.
This just does not compute.
Yeah, I mean hey, opinions vary, but if you don't like Civil War, then this superhero stuff must not be for you.
No, it really isn’t for the most part (I prefer the Marvel shows that are focused on non-super heroes). But I think the issue for me with Civil War (and Age of Ultron) was the notion that putting ALL the heroes together would sum up to something better. I wasn’t a huge fan of the individual titles either, but they at least could take themselves a bit less seriously and be something more than just a spectacle. The Avengers movies were kind of like the We Are The World of movies. Just because all the stars are there doesn’t make for an interesting song/movie.
Anyway, I know people love them because of the spectacle of it, but all of that is just a bit too much for me.
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But anyway, the whole dusting thing. What’s all that about? I understand Thanos did something to make some people disappear like that, but then some of them came back?
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But anyway, the whole dusting thing. What’s all that about? I understand Thanos did something to make some people disappear like that, but then some of them came back?
Watch the movies and find out, ya weirdo.
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But anyway, the whole dusting thing. What’s all that about? I understand Thanos did something to make some people disappear like that, but then some of them came back?
Watch the movies and find out, ya weirdo.
I think I’ll just try Wikipedia and save myself a couple hours!
Heh, looking it up now and totally forgot Civil War was a Captain America movie.
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It's more of that superhero stuff you don't like: Thanos assembled the six infinity stones into the Infinity Gauntlet, which gave him near-limitless power, and used them to kill half of the universe's population with a snap of his fingers. The affected persons basically turned to dust.
Through a complicated series of events involving time travel (among other things), after a period of 5 years the heroes were able to fashion their own version of the Gauntlet and use it to bring back everyone who was dusted by Thanos.
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I was never blown away by the spectacle of the MCU movies. Ridiculous computer-generated battles between computer-generated good guys and computer-generated bad guys, with countless computer-generated explosions and destruction. Bleah. That's probably the least interesting part of the movies to me. Believe it or not, I was drawn to the characterizations. The "human" side of often super-human or even non-human characters. Their personalities and relationships. Within the given framework of a universe where such people exist, I liked the stories, even when they were so convoluted that I couldn't follow them. They were fun.
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It's more of that superhero stuff you don't like: Thanos assembled the six infinity stones into the Infinity Gauntlet, which gave him near-limitless power, and used them to kill half of the universe's population with a snap of his fingers. The affected persons basically turned to dust.
Through a complicated series of events involving time travel (among other things), after a period of 5 years the heroes were able to fashion their own version of the Gauntlet and use it to bring back everyone who was dusted by Thanos.
That clears it all up. Thanks!
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I was never blown away by the spectacle of the MCU movies. Ridiculous computer-generated battles between computer-generated good guys and computer-generated bad guys, with countless computer-generated explosions and destruction. Bleah. That's probably the least interesting part of the movies to me. Believe it or not, I was drawn to the characterizations. The "human" side of often super-human or even non-human characters. Their personalities and relationships. Within the given framework of a universe where such people exist, I liked the stories, even when they were so convoluted that I couldn't follow them. They were fun.
I feel similarly. The human element and character development are the more interesting part of these movies/shows, and putting them on the smaller screen has helped focus in on those elements with less reliance on CGI battles and over the top action scenes.
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I was never blown away by the spectacle of the MCU movies. Ridiculous computer-generated battles between computer-generated good guys and computer-generated bad guys, with countless computer-generated explosions and destruction. Bleah. That's probably the least interesting part of the movies to me. Believe it or not, I was drawn to the characterizations. The "human" side of often super-human or even non-human characters. Their personalities and relationships. Within the given framework of a universe where such people exist, I liked the stories, even when they were so convoluted that I couldn't follow them. They were fun.
I feel similarly. The human element and character development are the more interesting part of these movies/shows, and putting them on the smaller screen has helped focus in on those elements with less reliance on CGI battles and over the top action scenes.
And that is exactly why everyone is so shocked by your dislike of Civil War. Because that contains one of the more heart wrenching and human stories in the entire MCU.
Captain’s best friend killed Iron Man’s mom while brainwashed by the Russian government…that puts Cap in a real quandary.
If your best friend did something unforgivable to another close friend, but you knew he wasn’t really responsible for his actions…where does that leave you? There’s a good moral dilemma story going on.
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I was never blown away by the spectacle of the MCU movies. Ridiculous computer-generated battles between computer-generated good guys and computer-generated bad guys, with countless computer-generated explosions and destruction. Bleah. That's probably the least interesting part of the movies to me. Believe it or not, I was drawn to the characterizations. The "human" side of often super-human or even non-human characters. Their personalities and relationships. Within the given framework of a universe where such people exist, I liked the stories, even when they were so convoluted that I couldn't follow them. They were fun.
I feel similarly. The human element and character development are the more interesting part of these movies/shows, and putting them on the smaller screen has helped focus in on those elements with less reliance on CGI battles and over the top action scenes.
And that is exactly why everyone is so shocked by your dislike of Civil War. Because that contains one of the more heart wrenching and human stories in the entire MCU.
Captain’s best friend killed Iron Man’s mom while brainwashed by the Russian government…that puts Cap in a real quandary.
If your best friend did something unforgivable to another close friend, but you knew he wasn’t really responsible for his actions…where does that leave you? There’s a good moral dilemma story going on.
It seems like since they all deal in these extraordinary circumstances all the time that Cap could have explained to Stark what happened and it would have all been understandable. But I suppose that’s the bigger social commentary of why we have conflicts and wars and stuff. People aren’t good at just talking things out.
I guess I just thought the internal squabble was kind of forced and silly, but it was made worse by it all being a set up to get 37 action heroes onto the screen at the same time in one big mega battle.
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This is why most love the MCU movies - the combination of the storytelling, the characters, and bringing these battles to life. Things that (at least for me) I'd only seen on the pages of comics now coming to life. Priceless.
I just don't know how one can't be moved by the fight between Thanos and The Big 3. There was so much in that 4 minute sequence that still gives me goosebumps just thinking about it.
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Oh, and if Thor's arc (starting in Ragnarok) in IW and through Endgame doesn't have an emotional impact on you (royal), then you're dead inside already.
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HOF, in principle, I agree. But let’s face it. “By the way, my best friend killed your mom.“ Is not the easiest thing to just “talk out”. That’s a gross oversimplification of the gravity of the situation.
IRL, it’s not so easy to just bulldoze a conversation about something so volatile.
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HOF, in principle, I agree. But let’s face it. “By the way, my best friend killed your mom.“ Is not the easiest thing to just “talk out”. That’s a gross oversimplification of the gravity of the situation.
IRL, it’s not so easy to just bulldoze a conversation about something so volatile.
Oh, I know it would be tough, but I think it would also be tough to come to blows with your good friend over it too, at least if you had an understanding that Hydra exists and can make people do bad things against their will. Especially when there are bigger things going on in the world. I dunno, it just kind of made everyone seem a little petty.
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So another plot question I have. Wikipedia mentioned that Hawkeye went vigilante in the 5 years before the dusting was un-done. Is that when he did the Ronin thing? I was under the impression maybe he was Ronin before he was Hawkeye. Maybe he was and he went back to being Ronin in those 5 years? Or do we not know for sure?
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So another plot question I have. Wikipedia mentioned that Hawkeye went vigilante in the 5 years before the dusting was un-done. Is that when he did the Ronin thing? I was under the impression maybe he was Ronin before he was Hawkeye. Maybe he was and he went back to being Ronin in those 5 years? Or do we not know for sure?
He was Ronin during that 5 year span.
"Ronin" means a samurai without a master. He was pretty alone during that time, so the name is apt.
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So another plot question I have. Wikipedia mentioned that Hawkeye went vigilante in the 5 years before the dusting was un-done. Is that when he did the Ronin thing? I was under the impression maybe he was Ronin before he was Hawkeye. Maybe he was and he went back to being Ronin in those 5 years? Or do we not know for sure?
He was Ronin during that 5 year span.
"Ronin" means a samurai without a master. He was pretty alone during that time, so the name is apt.
Ah, that makes the show make a little more sense!
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Which you'd have known if you'd seen IW/Endgame!!! :D :P
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Which you'd have known if you'd seen IW/Endgame!!! :D :P
Seriously. Almost any of the other 23 movies can stand on their own for the most part. But if there is ANY movies in the MCU where the plot is absolutely essential to everything else that’s happening it’s Infinity War and Endgame. Pretty much nothing that’s happening right now makes sense without those two. They are “must see’s”.
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Which you'd have known if you'd seen IW/Endgame!!! :D :P
Seriously. Almost any of the other 23 movies can stand on their own for the most part. But if there is ANY movies in the MCU where the plot is absolutely essential to everything else that’s happening it’s Infinity War and Endgame. Pretty much nothing that’s happening right now makes sense without those two. They are “must see’s”.
I bet WandaVision would have made a lot more sense too!
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Which you'd have known if you'd seen IW/Endgame!!! :D :P
Seriously. Almost any of the other 23 movies can stand on their own for the most part. But if there is ANY movies in the MCU where the plot is absolutely essential to everything else that’s happening it’s Infinity War and Endgame. Pretty much nothing that’s happening right now makes sense without those two. They are “must see’s”.
I bet WandaVision would have made a lot more sense too!
I couldn't imagine trying to understand that without it. Same thing with FAWS. I mean, the whole premise hinged around the blip and unblip.
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Which you'd have known if you'd seen IW/Endgame!!! :D :P
Seriously. Almost any of the other 23 movies can stand on their own for the most part. But if there is ANY movies in the MCU where the plot is absolutely essential to everything else that’s happening it’s Infinity War and Endgame. Pretty much nothing that’s happening right now makes sense without those two. They are “must see’s”.
I bet WandaVision would have made a lot more sense too!
I couldn't imagine trying to understand that without it. Same thing with FAWS. I mean, the whole premise hinged around the blip and unblip.
We started the Falcon series but it didn’t hold my interest. WandaVision was great fun in part because I had no idea what was happening or why.
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I just wanted to add that by most peoples standards (including the critics) Infinty War and Endgame are the two best movies in the entire MCU.
They are definitely worth seeing.
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I just wanted to add that by most peoples standards (including the critics) Infinty War and Endgame are the two best movies in the entire MCU.
They are definitely worth seeing.
Now that we can just watch them on Disney+, maybe I’ll give them a try.
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I just wanted to add that by most peoples standards (including the critics) Infinty War and Endgame are the two best movies in the entire MCU.
They are definitely worth seeing.
Now that we can just watch them on Disney+, maybe I’ll give them a try.
Please do so now...come back in 7 hours and report your findings. :p
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I just wanted to add that by most peoples standards (including the critics) Infinty War and Endgame are the two best movies in the entire MCU.
They are definitely worth seeing.
Now that we can just watch them on Disney+, maybe I’ll give them a try.
:lol
Please do so now...come back in 7 hours and report your findings. :p
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So, how about Hawkeye, right? The Finale is tomorrow, and looking at the previews for the finale, I'm SUPER excited to see Fisk again and I hope he gets at least a few lines of dialogue if he doesn't at least see some action.
I also think Yelena and Clint will hash things out and she'll end up helping him and Kate in their finale battle against the Tracksuits and Echo, who will probably turn and run once she confronts Kazi and/or Kingpin, and setting up her spin-off series (which will hopefully come next year so we don't have to wait too long to see her again).
After tomorrow, we will not get any more MCU content until May at the latest, unless they announce the release dates for Moon Knight and/or She-Hulk and if they're coming out before DSITMOM.
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After tomorrow, we will not get any more MCU content until May at the latest, unless they announce the release dates for Moon Knight and/or She-Hulk and if they're coming out before DSITMOM.
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I think we were severely spoiled by how much we got this year.
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After tomorrow, we will not get any more MCU content until May at the latest, unless they announce the release dates for Moon Knight and/or She-Hulk and if they're coming out before DSITMOM.
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I think we were severely spoiled by how much we got this year.
Considering all of the 2020 stuff got pushed into 2021, yeah, we got pretty spoiled - five Disney+ shows and four films, nine projects total, with no more than a 6-week break between any new content:
January 15th - March 5th (WandaVision)
March 19th - April 23rd (TFATWS)
June 9th - July 14th (Loki)
July 9th (Black Widow)
August 11th - October 6th (What If...?)
September 3rd (Shang-Chi)
November 5th (Eternals)
November 24th - December 22nd (Hawkeye)
December 17th (Spider-Man: No Way Home)
...with the 6-week break between TFATWS and Black Widow, though if BW had come out in May before it got pushed up again, then the longest gap between new content would've only been a month or so.
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Well, that was a fun finale. I gotta say, I kinda like the low stakes MCU stories. I'm glad they still have it in them to make stories that don't have worldwide or galactic consequences if the hero fails.
I'm genuinely surprised that Clint appears to still have a future in the MCU. I thought for sure this would be his swan song. Lots of loose ends still to be tied up. No announcement of a Hawkeye season 2 though. I also thought for sure after the post credits scene that it'd say "Rogers the Musical coming to Broadway Summer 2022". :lol
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I was kind of hoping for a proper credits scene but getting the full Rogers The Musical song was a nice treat, since many fans were asking to see the whole performance (especially since they bothered to write/rehearse/record/film the song and stage performance, might as well show it off).
That was a really fun finale, and I'm really glad that Yelena and Clint were able to talk things out, but now I wonder where we will see Yelena next! Maybe Val will have an assignment for her in the future. I'll be a little upset if this is the last we see of Vincent D'Onofrio as Kingpin, but seeing him in this episode was quite the treat! I was not expecting to see him as much as we did, to be honest!
I'm also kind of glad that the Swordsman didn't turn out to be a bad guy and will apparently have a future in the MCU if they decide to bring him back. He was an Avenger in the early comics run, complete with bright purple suit, so maybe he joins the LARPers and gets a proper Swordsman outfit from Missy! That would be something else!
Honestly, this was a great wrap-up to the series, and it didn't end in a giant CGI fight, had some great action moments, fun comedic moments, and an over-all good vibe throughout. I'm happy to see Clint pass on the mantle to Kate, and if the Young Avengers are coming, it'll be amazing to see Kate again as Hawkeye!
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Solid finale, really tied up things nicely while giving plenty of room to grow. No way in hell can Kingpin be done, he's way to beloved a character, and nobody brings gravity to villainy like D'onofrio.
That post credit scene is just he greatest thing ever though.
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Really enjoyed that. Super series. Have a question about Kingpin and how super-tough he was in that... I'm sure we'll see more of him in the MCU. He's just too good for them not to give him more to do.
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Agreed. Really strong finale that kept the stakes low as they needed to be.
Also agree that if they really did kill of Fisk, then that's a pretty unforgiveable mistake. You don't bring back Vincent to do one episode and call it a day.
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Considering the gunshot was off-screen and we don't see a body, let alone hear a body thud onto the ground (as far as I can remember), so I think he will return at some point.
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Anyway, I know people love them because of the spectacle of it, but all of that is just a bit too much for me.
No, people love them because they are really, REALLY good movies.
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I enjoyed the episode, but was very disappointed with the handling of Kingpin. Don’t give me wrong, Vincent‘s performance was wonderful as usual, but the Netflix guy was not the superman that this episode made him out to be. They almost made him out to be Michael Myers level of indestructible. How do you shoot an arrow right into someone’s gut, and then hit them full on with the car and it barely even phases them?
I hope Vincent gets to come back and do more with that role. But I’m pretty disappointed so far. The rest of it was fantastic.
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He was wearing the bulletproof suit as he always does, I'm sure it handles arrows handedly as well.
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D'Onofrio was awesome as always. Just watching his face with the little twitching of various parts here and there. The man is just a clinic on acting.
Seeing that Maya is getting her own series, something tells me that this is not the last we have seen of the MCU Kingpin. That very well might have setup that series. First we got the blind guy vs Kingpin and now maybe we get the deaf girl vs Kingpin.
I'm wondering what significance there is to Clint's wife apparently having been an Agent of Shield. That has to come up somewhere again.
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Loved the show. I have a crush on Hailee Steinfeld (Kate) now.
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I enjoyed the episode, but was very disappointed with the handling of Kingpin. Don’t give me wrong, Vincent‘s performance was wonderful as usual, but the Netflix guy was not the superman that this episode made him out to be. They almost made him out to be Michael Myers level of indestructible. How do you shoot an arrow right into someone’s gut, and then hit them full on with the car and it barely even phases them?
I hope Vincent gets to come back and do more with that role. But I’m pretty disappointed so far. The rest of it was fantastic.
Apparently, the Kingpin in Daredevil was not comic accurate. Hawkeye Kingpin was, as he is super-powered and super strong. This adds more credence to them retconning the Netflix shows as canon. This is clearly not the Kingpin from Netflix, but a more comic accurate one.
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D'Onofrio was awesome as always. Just watching his face with the little twitching of various parts here and there. The man is just a clinic on acting.
Seeing that Maya is getting her own series, something tells me that this is not the last we have seen of the MCU Kingpin. That very well might have setup that series. First we got the blind guy vs Kingpin and now maybe we get the deaf girl vs Kingpin.
I'm wondering what significance there is to Clint's wife apparently having been an Agent of Shield. That has to come up somewhere again.
Is that her watch? Or did someone give her theirs?
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Re: Kingpin
I really liked the Netflix version just because not technically being “super powered” means he had to rely more on incredible intelligence and a certain amount of charisma. But he was incredibly strong as well. (Most men would not be capable of completely crushing a man’s skull into jelly with a car door…so ya…he was strong). But he always seemed to be one step ahead of everything you did. Even a face to face fight. Almost “Jedi reflexes” combined with an absolute ruthlessness.
If you hit him with a car, he would be in the hospital…but already have the wheels in motion on how to turn the entire thing to his advantage before the ambulance arrived.
Now…I will grant you that by the time he got to Echo, he seemed to be stumbling a bit. But if he is “super powered” in this universe, I hope they explain the back story a bit.
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Also…it could have been a gift from Clint himself. Because, as my stepson just reminded me, he was an AOS. (See: Thor the movie)
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I liked the fusion of Netflix/Kingpin (ie, D'Onofrio), and Comic/Kingpin.
Overall good episode. End credits scene was meh (and I only watched the 1st minute or so, as I'd heard it was JUST the musical number). I would've liked seen Ruffalo or Rudd in the audience or something for a touch of humour.
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I liked the fusion of Netflix/Kingpin (ie, D'Onofrio), and Comic/Kingpin.
Overall good episode. End credits scene was meh (and I only watched the 1st minute or so, as I'd heard it was JUST the musical number). I would've liked seen Ruffalo or Rudd in the audience or something for a touch of humour.
I had that song in my head all night at work. :lol
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Anyone else finding themselves scratching their heads a bit over Maya getting her own show? I didn't find her to be a very compelling character. In fact, I'd say you could have cut out her character altogether and it wouldn't have changed this show at all. She was clearly there just to set up her own show. I'll watch it, because I watch everything in the MCU, but as of right now, I guess I just don't see it.
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I liked Maya's character, and would enjoy a show with her as the focus. I've known quite a few deaf people in my life, have a decent vocabulary with ASL, and Mrs. P is a full blown interpreter level signer...so, I may be biased.
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But anyway, the whole dusting thing. What’s all that about? I understand Thanos did something to make some people disappear like that, but then some of them came back?
Watch the movies and find out, ya weirdo.
Exactly this. :facepalm:
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I liked the fusion of Netflix/Kingpin (ie, D'Onofrio), and Comic/Kingpin.
Overall good episode. End credits scene was meh (and I only watched the 1st minute or so, as I'd heard it was JUST the musical number). I would've liked seen Ruffalo or Rudd in the audience or something for a touch of humour.
I had that song in my head all night at work. :lol
All the more reason I'm glad I didn't watch it!!
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I liked the fusion of Netflix/Kingpin (ie, D'Onofrio), and Comic/Kingpin.
Overall good episode. End credits scene was meh (and I only watched the 1st minute or so, as I'd heard it was JUST the musical number). I would've liked seen Ruffalo or Rudd in the audience or something for a touch of humour.
I had that song in my head all night at work. :lol
All the more reason I'm glad I didn't watch it!!
I frikkin loved the post credit scene, but I'm hella biased since I love musical theater. The cheesier the better.
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I'm with jingle. That credits scene was grating. I powered through it hoping something substantial would happen, but no. I'd be happy to never hear/see that again.
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:lol again I'm biased...probably from having a kid who was neck deep in it all through HS.
One quick observation, while Kingpin was near perfect in the opening scenes ("In the spirit of the holidays, I'm going to give you a minute to think about what you're starting right now"....such a perfectly delivered line), I felt he was a bit out of character in the final battle. Fisk is a rage fighter, when he gets rolling, nothing stops him, yet he kept just tossing Kate aside to go after her mom. To me, it seems at some point he'd do his usual loss of control and just bash her fucking head in.
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:lol again I'm biased...probably from having a kid who was neck deep in it all through HS.
One quick observation, while Kingpin was near perfect in the opening scenes ("In the spirit of the holidays, I'm going to give you a minute to think about what you're starting right now"....such a perfectly delivered line), I felt he was a bit out of character in the final battle. Fisk is a rage fighter, when he gets rolling, nothing stops him, yet he kept just tossing Kate aside to go after her mom. To me, it seems at some point he'd do his usual loss of control and just bash her fucking head in.
Toss the hero around instead of just killing them cliche. *ding*
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I liked Maya's character, and would enjoy a show with her as the focus.
Well, you're in luck. The upcoming Disney + show Echo will feature the continuing story of Maya.
And the watch was Mrs. Barton's. In addition to the SHIELD insignia, the watch was also engraved with the number 19. In the comics, Agent 19 was Mockingbird, who went on to become the wife of Clint Barton. (Yes, I know the names of the characters are different.)
So in the MCU, they met, presumably, as fellow agents of SHIELD.
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I liked Maya's character, and would enjoy a show with her as the focus.
Well, you're in luck. The upcoming Disney + show Echo will feature the continuing story of Maya.
And the watch was Mrs. Barton's. In addition to the SHIELD insignia, the watch was also engraved with the number 19. In the comics, Agent 19 was Mockingbird, who went on to become the wife of Clint Barton. (Yes, I know the names of the characters are different.)
So in the MCU, they met, presumably, as fellow agents of SHIELD.
Having just re-watched Age of Ultron, I found this quote amusing:
Tony Stark: [Clint is introducing the Avengers to his wife] She's an agent of some kind.
Clint Barton: Everyone, this is Laura.
Laura: Hi.
[smiles]
Laura: I already know who all of you are.
Tony Stark: [Clint and Laura's kids come into view]
[Bewildered]
Tony Stark: And these must be... mini-agents.
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I thought that was a solid finale and the best finale among all the Disney/MCU shows possibly barring What If? from the live action shows this was my favorite, only had an iffy 1st episode which I think it was more about the tone rather than anything else. Not really sure where I'd rank them all but I think Hawkeye at the very top.
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GREAT finale! Loved how the relationship between Kate and Clint blossomed, and how they interacted throughout this episode. Actually, pretty much all the characters were great.
Minor grips:
-The watch/Mockingbird reveal was cool. But at the same time, it just fell a little flat because, ultimately, it appears to be just a watch. There isn't any reason for why the Track Suits would have wanted it so badly. Maybe the point was that it would be a clue to establishing Mockingbird's true identity, and maybe she crossed paths with them in the past and they wanted to find her. But if so, that was never explained fully enough. So I kind of feel like that threat was unsatisfyingly underdeveloped, and they just distracted us with the Mockingbird reveal.
-I know this is a common thing in superhero films, and has gotten increasingly common in the MCU, but it bugged me a bit that Kate was simply overpowered. I can buy that she is a supremely talented archer and that she is a skilled martial artist. But even given that, she should not have been able to go toe to toe with Yelena, and she should not have been able to take what Kingpin was giving her either. Yeah, I know Yelena was pulling her punches because she liked Kate and didn't want to hurt her, but still. And, likewise, Kingpin was apparently only trying to disable and go about his mission rather than trying to kill. But, again, it just felt like I had to suspend just a bit too much belief.
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In the comics Maya killed Kingpin. I hope they make a twist to the finale. I would love to see Kimgpin again
EDIT: kingpin doesn’t die in that comic book I mentioned he it’s blinded by the ahot for a certain time until he gets his sight back
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Florence Pugh as Yelena is knocking this out the ballpark, she stole Black Widow from Scarlett and here in the final two episodes she did the same thing to Jeremy and Hallie. Brilliant performance.
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Fun little show……was pretty underwhelmed by the finale and conclusion though. It’s certainly the lowest ranking of the MCU spin-offs for me. With the other ones at least there was a ‘need’ for them in some way. There wasn’t much, if anything that came from this series that was needed IMO. Just a quick hit of a few Easter eggs and some cool action scenes.
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Fun little show……was pretty underwhelmed by the finale and conclusion though. It’s certainly the lowest ranking of the MCU spin-offs for me. With the other ones at least there was a ‘need’ for them in some way. There wasn’t much, if anything that came from this series that was needed IMO. Just a quick hit of a few Easter eggs and some cool action scenes.
Other than a need to pass the “Hawkeye” torch, I kinda feel the same. I don’t know why the watch was such a big ticket item for the Tracksuits to plan such a big heist around.
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Overall I enjoyed this maybe the most out of the new D+ shows but I still had a few similar complaints like the big final end battle doesn't feel as exciting as the more 'character building' and 'setting up the plot' elements of the first couple of episodes. I did really like the twist that the guy dating the mom who felt like the obvious bad guy was actually a decent guy and the mom was the crooked one. That felt like a satisfying pay off to a story element that usually goes the other way. Cool to see Kingpin again but I also agree that the amount of damage he takes is a bit silly.
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One thing that grated on me a little is that I really can’t stand that dog-faced Vera whatever. Hated her in the Godzilla movie too. But a solid effort, probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite series after WandaVision and maybe What If?
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One thing that grated on me a little is that I really can’t stand that dog-faced Vera whatever.
That seems unnecessarily insulting, IMO.
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It really does.
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One thing that grated on me a little is that I really can’t stand that dog-faced Vera whatever.
That seems unnecessarily insulting, IMO.
It really does.
Yeah, agreed.
Vera Farmiga was pretty good in the show, and I've heard good things about her other roles in recent years too (though I haven't seen them). If there is more to follow-up on Kate Bishop, you can bet her mom won't be far behind. They kept her alive at the end of the series for a reason, so I think we will see her again in a future MCU project.
-Marc.
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One thing that grated on me a little is that I really can’t stand that dog-faced Vera whatever. Hated her in the Godzilla movie too.
That's pretty weird. She's a good actress, and while she isn't my type, she's certainly not dog-faced, or unpleasant to look at in any way.
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Vera Farmiga was awesome in Bates Motel (as Norma Bates).
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My wife and I just finished this up on Saturday. I really enjoyed it a lot, maybe even more so than Loki. It had its flaws. It could have been maybe it one episode shorter if you edited out a few things. I also felt like it left a few plot points on the table unexplained (like, to what extent was Jack complicent in things?), but it was just so fun and also funny. It was one of the moments where the quippy MCU style played really well, especially as the tracksuit bodies were piling up. And I absolutely love that Rodgers stage production.