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General => Polls/Survivors => Topic started by: The Letter M on October 25, 2021, 05:33:45 PM
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Alrighty folks, as alluded to at the end of my Transatlantic Survivor, here begins the Dream Theater Survivor 2021 Edition. The last time I ran this, it was 2017 and since then, we've now had two more DT albums come out. I'll be running this a bit differently this time compared to last, but most albums will be run the same. The changes include SFAM, which will be run only as a 12-track album (I did it as 12-tracks and 9-"Scenes" last time), SC will fused "In The Presence Of Enemies" as one song for a total of 7 songs, likewise SDOIT's title track will be one song. "A Change Of Seasons" will be grouped with other non-album songs/B-Sides, and because there will be 18 Consolation Songs, I've decided to let the TOP FOUR of those move on to the Finals, which will feature 40 songs, the most yet in a DT Survivor Finals (as far as I know).
Below is the list of albums/Survivors that will be run, and like my other recent survivors, I will be running TWO ALBUMS simultaneously, and barring any ties, the first four albums should all start and end at the same time, but then there will be some back-and-forth from there on out. For The Astonishing, I will do as I normally do for long/double concept albums and begin with multi-song elimination rounds, narrowing the number of votes per voter with each successive round, where 5th & 6th place will go to Consolation and the Top 4 will go to Finals. I will also run Studio Album and Live Album Survivors near the end alongside the Finals (and other bonus survivors may also pop up that I haven't done in awhile).
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When Dream And Day Unite
01. The Killing Hand
02. A Fortune In Lies
03. Ytse Jam
04. Afterlife
05. Only A Matter Of Time
06. Status Seeker
07. Light Fuse And Get Away
08. The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
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Images And Words
01. Learning To Live
02. Metropolis Part 1: The Miracle And The Sleeper
03. Take The Time
04. Under A Glass Moon
05. Surrounded
06. Pull Me Under
07. Wait For Sleep
08. Another Day
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Awake
01. Scarred
02. Voices
03. The Mirror
04. Space-Dye Vest
05. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
06. Innocence Faded
07. Lie
08. 6:00
09. Caught In A Web
10. Erotomania
11. The Silent Man
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Falling Into Infinity
01. Trial Of Tears
02. Lines In The Sand
03. Hell's Kitchen
04. Peruvian Skies
05. New Millennium
06. Hollow Years
07. Take Away My Pain
08. Anna Lee
09. Burning My Soul
10. Just Let Me Breathe
11. You Not Me
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Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From A Memory
01. Home
02. Finally Free
03. Strange Déjà Vu
04. Fatal Tragedy
05. Beyond This Life
06. Overture 1928
07. The Dance Of Eternity
08. The Spirit Carries On
09. One Last Time
10. Through Her Eyes
11. Through My Words
12. Regression
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Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
01. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
02. The Glass Prison
03. Blind Faith
04. Disappear
05. Misunderstood
06. The Great Debate
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Train Of Thought
01. In The Name Of God
02. Stream Of Consciousness
03. As I Am
04. Endless Sacrifice
05. This Dying Soul
06. Vacant
07. Honor Thy Father
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Octavarium
01. Octavarium
02. The Root Of All Evil
03. These Walls
04. Panic Attack
05. Sacrificed Sons
06. Never Enough
07. I Walk Beside You
08. The Answer Lies Within
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Systematic Chaos
01. In The Presence Of Enemies (Parts I & II)
02. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
03. Constant Motion
04. Forsaken
05. The Dark Eternal Night
06. Repentance
07. Prophets Of War
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Black Clouds & Silver Linings
01. The Count Of Tuscany
02. A Nightmare To Remember
03. The Shattered Fortress
04. Wither
05. The Best Of Times
06. A Rite Of Passage
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A Dramatic Turn Of Events
01. Breaking All Illusions
02. Bridges In The Sky
03. Lost Not Forgotten
04. Outcry
05. On The Backs Of Angels
06. This Is The Life
07. Beneath The Surface
08. Far From Heaven
09. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
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Dream Theater
01. Illumination Theory
02. The Bigger Picture
03. Behind The Veil
04. Surrender To Reason
05. The Enemy Inside
06. The Looking Glass
07. Along For The Ride
08. Enigma Machine
09. False Awakening Suite
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The Astonishing
01. The Path That Divides
02. The Gift Of Music
03. Moment Of Betrayal
04. A Life Left Behind
05. Three Days
06. Lord Nafaryus
07. Heaven's Cove
08. A New Beginning
09. The X Aspect
10. A Savior In The Square
11. Dystopian Overture
12. Ravenskill
13. A Better Life
14. When Your Time Has Come
15. Our New World
16. The Walking Shadow
17. Chosen
18. A Tempting Offer
19. Act Of Faythe
20. My Last Farewell
21. The Road To Revolution
22. Astonishing
23. Hymn Of A Thousand Voices
24. 2285 Entr'acte
25. The Answer
Brother, Can You Hear Me?
Begin Again
28. Losing Faythe
Whispers On The Wind
30. Descent Of The Nomacs
The Hovering Sojourn
Digital Discord
Machine Chatter
Power Down
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Distance Over Time
01. At Wit's End
02. Barstool Warrior
03. Pale Blue Dot
04. Fall Into The Light
05. S2N
06. Untethered Angel
07. Paralyzed
08. Out Of Reach
09. Viper King
10. Room 137
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A View From The Top Of The World
01. A View From The Top Of The World
02. Awaken The Master
03. Answering The Call
04. The Alien
05. Sleeping Giant
06. Transcending Time
07. Invisible Monster
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Non-Album Songs & B-Sides
01 A Change Of Seasons
02. Raise The Knife
03. To Live Forever
04. Speak To Me
05. Eve
06. The Way It Used To Be
07. Don't Look Past Me
08. Cover My Eyes
09. Where Are You Now?
10. The Holiday Spirit Carries On
11. Raw Dog
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The Majesty Demos
01. A Vision
02. Another Won
03. Vital Star
04. March Of The Tyrant
05. Two Far
06. Your Majesty
07. Cry For Freedom
08. The School Song
09. Resurrection Of Ernie
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Consolation Rounds
01. Take The Time
02. Strange Déjà Vu
03. The Mirror
04. Blind Faith
05. Hell's Kitchen
06. These Walls
07. As I Am
08. Lost Not Forgotten
09. Pale Blue Dot
10. Behind The Veil
11. Answering The Call
12. The Shattered Fortress
13. Three Days
14. Ytse Jam
15. To Live Forever
16. Constant Motion
17. Lord Nafaryus
18. Vital Star
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The Finals (40 Songs/Tracks Total!)
01. Learning To Live
02. A Change Of Seasons
03. Metropolis Part 1: The Miracle And The Sleeper
04. Octavarium
05. Scarred
06. Voices
07. Breaking All Illusions
08. Home
09. Trial Of Tears
10. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
11. Finally Free
12. Strange Déjà Vu
13. In The Name Of God
14. The Glass Prison
15. The Mirror
16. The Count Of Tuscany
17. Take The Time
18. Lines In The Sand
19. In The Presence Of Enemies (Parts I & II)
20. Stream Of Consciousness
21. Bridges In The Sky
22. Blind Faith
23. The Root Of All Evil
24. At Wit's End
25. A View From The Top Of The World
26. The Killing Hand
27. A Nightmare To Remember
Illumination Theory
29. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
Barstool Warrior
31. The Bigger Picture
32. A Fortune In Lies
The Gift Of Music
Awaken The Master
35. Raise The Knife
36. The Path That Divides
37. Moment Of Betrayal
A Life Left Behind
39. Another Won
40. A Vision
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The Studio Albums
01. Scenes From A Memory
02. Images And Words
03. Awake
04. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
05. A Dramatic Turn Of Events
06. Train Of Thought
07. Octavarium
08. A View From The Top Of The World
09. Distance Over Time
10. Falling Into Infinity
11. Black Clouds & Silver Linings
12. Dream Theater
13. Systematic Chaos
14. The Astonishing
15. When Dream And Day Unite
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The Live Albums
01. Live Scenes From New York
02. Live At Budokan
03. Score
04. Live At The Marquee
05. Breaking The Fourth Wall
06. Live At Luna Park
07. Distant Memories
08. Once In A LIVEtime
09. Chaos In Motion 2007-2008
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-Marc.
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I'll put up the first two-day rounds for WDADU and IAW tomorrow morning, and will (hopefully) be able to keep updating every other morning with new rounds (work schedule permitting).
I hope to see lots of DT fans participating in this one! Going by some rough calculations, this survivor will round approximately 7.5 months, or around 224 days (without tie-breakers), or 112 rounds from start to finish (give or take), so we'll be in it for the long haul! By the time we finish (sometime in early June), DT will be in the middle of their European tour, so hopefully that'll help keep things exciting as we reach the home stretch in the Consolation and Finals rounds!
-Marc.
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:tup
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Fuck yeah, more DT fun :metal
The Astonishing gets 4 songs in the finals and Images and Words only 2, take that, you nomac haters :metal :metal :metal :biggrin: :lol
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Looking forward to it! I wonder if Viper King should go with D/T or with the bonus tracks though
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Sounds good, although I see absolutely no need to include the Majesty Demos. In any way, shape, or form.
But whatever.
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Just noticed that this exists. Yay!!
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I had no idea this was happening, but I’m in!
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When Dream And Day Unite's Final Round's Results:
A Fortune In Lies 26 (68.4%)
The Killing Hand 12 (31.6%)
01. The Killing Hand
02. A Fortune In Lies
03. Ytse Jam
04. Afterlife
05. Only A Matter Of Time
06. Status Seeker
07. Light Fuse And Get Away
08. The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
The album's "epic" takes the top spot while the opening places second but both move on to the Finals! Here are the results from 2017 for comparison:
01. The Killing Hand
02. A Fortune In Lies
03. The Ytse Jam
04. Afterlife
05. Only A Matter Of Time
06. The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
07. Light Fuse And Get Away
08. Status Seeker
Looks almost exactly the same except places 6 and 8 have swapped! I guess the top 5 will always place the way they do!
-Marc.
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Images And Words's Final Round's Results:
Metropolis Part 1: The Miracle And The Sleeper 27 (67.5%)
Learning To Live 13 (32.5%)
01. Learning To Live
02. Metropolis Part 1: The Miracle And The Sleeper
03. Take The Time
04. Under A Glass Moon
05. Surrounded
06. Pull Me Under
07. Wait For Sleep
08. Another Day
With about 2-to-1 votes, Metropolis places second while the album's closing epic takes the gold. For comparison, here are the results from 2017:
01. Metropolis Part 1: The Miracle And The Sleeper
02. Learning To Live
03. Take The Time
04. Pull Me Under
05. Surrounded
06. Under A Glass Moon
07. Another Day
08. Wait For Sleep
A bit of shuffling here and there but TTT remains third, and the top two and bottom two were the same as well.
-Marc.
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When Dream And Day Unite's Final Round's Results:
A Fortune In Lies 26 (68.4%)
The Killing Hand 12 (31.6%)
01. The Killing Hand
02. A Fortune In Lies
03. Ytse Jam
04. Afterlife
05. Only A Matter Of Time
06. Status Seeker
07. Light Fuse And Get Away
08. The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
The album's "epic" takes the top spot while the opening places second but both move on to the Finals! Here are the results from 2017 for comparison:
01. The Killing Hand
02. A Fortune In Lies
03. The Ytse Jam
04. Afterlife
05. Only A Matter Of Time
06. The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
07. Light Fuse And Get Away
08. Status Seeker
Looks almost exactly the same except places 6 and 8 have swapped! I guess the top 5 will always place the way they do!
-Marc.
Wow, 4 years and people still haven't learnt to regard Only a Matter of Time better.
;D
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I like OAMOT even more than I did four years ago, but I still only get one vote.
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Awake's Final Round's Results:
Voices 22 (56.4%)
Scarred 17 (43.6%)
01. Scarred
02. Voices
03. The Mirror
04. Space-Dye Vest
05. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
06. Innocence Faded
07. Lie
08. 6:00
09. Caught In A Web
10. Erotomania
11. The Silent Man
With a bit over half of the total 39 votes, "VVoices" places second and the longest song on the album is the winner (how prog of us)! Here are the results from 2017 for comparison:
01. Scarred
02. The Mirror
03. Voices
04. Space-Dye Vest
05. 6:00
06. Caught In A Web
07. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
08. Lie
09. Erotomania
10. Innocence Faded
11. The Silent Man
Some notable differences include "Innocence Faded" jumping up five spots whole "6:00" lost three, but the top 4 remained consistent.
-Marc.
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Falling Into Infinity's Final Round's Results:
Lines In The Sand 20 (51.3%)
Trial Of Tears 19 (48.7%)
01. Trial Of Tears
02. Lines In The Sand
03. Hell's Kitchen
04. Peruvian Skies
05. New Millennium
06. Hollow Years
07. Take Away My Pain
08. Anna Lee
09. Burning My Soul
10. Just Let Me Breathe
11. You Not Me
By just ONE VOTE, TOT places first over LITS, but IMO, either could have taken first place and I would've been happy with the result. Once again, the album's longest song places first (typical proggers, right? lol), just like the previous three albums. Here are the results from 2017 for comparison:
01. Trial Of Tears
02. Lines In The Sand
03. Peruvian Skies
04. Hell's Kitchen
05. Hollow Years
06. Anna Lee
07. New Millennium
08. Burning My Soul
09. Take Away My Pain
10. Just Let Me Breathe
11. You Not Me
Third and fourth have swapped, as did quite a few of the other songs, but their relative vicinity hasn't changed within 5th-9th places.
-Marc.
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Surprised that Scarred won over Voices, but last time around Voices lost even to The Mirror? that's crazy!
Trial of Tears on the other hand is the rightful winner of FII!
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Surprised that Scarred won over Voices, but last time around Voices lost even to The Mirror? that's crazy!
ANYTHING else on Awake losing to the Mirror is crazy.
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Surprised that Scarred won over Voices, but last time around Voices lost even to The Mirror? that's crazy!
Trial of Tears on the other hand is the rightful winner of FII!
Voices is top-tier, but Scarred is in a league of its own. What an incredible song that feels more mature and well thought out than anything they've done since 2002.
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Surprised that Scarred won over Voices, but last time around Voices lost even to The Mirror? that's crazy!
ANYTHING else on Awake losing to the Mirror is crazy.
Bah. The Mirror is the best all-heavy song of DT! :metal
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Surprised that Scarred won over Voices, but last time around Voices lost even to The Mirror? that's crazy!
ANYTHING else on Awake losing to the Mirror is crazy.
Bah. The Mirror is the best all-heavy song of DT! :metal
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Surprised that Scarred won over Voices, but last time around Voices lost even to The Mirror? that's crazy!
Trial of Tears on the other hand is the rightful winner of FII!
Voices is top-tier, but Scarred is in a league of its own. What an incredible song that feels more mature and well thought out than anything they've done since 2002.
Yup!
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Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence's Final Round's Results:
The Glass Prison 23 (67.6%)
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence 11 (32.4%)
Total Members Voted: 34
01. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
02. The Glass Prison
03. Blind Faith
04. Disappear
05. Misunderstood
06. The Great Debate
Just over 2-to-1, TGP places second, but both it and the title song move on to the Finals! Here are the results from 2017 for comparison:
01. The Glass Prison
02. Disappear
03. The Great Debate
04. Misunderstood
05. Blind Faith
06. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
This one definitely has changed the most since then compared to the other albums in this Survivor so far. The only similarity is that TGP made it to Finals, but even then every song has a new placement. Both BF and SD gained rank, but the other four all dropped at least 1 spot.
-Marc.
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Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence's Final Round's Results:
The Glass Prison 23 (67.6%)
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence 11 (32.4%)
Total Members Voted: 34
01. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
02. The Glass Prison
03. Blind Faith
04. Disappear
05. Misunderstood
06. The Great Debate
Just over 2-to-1, TGP places second, but both it and the title song move on to the Finals! Here are the results from 2017 for comparison:
01. The Glass Prison
02. Disappear
03. The Great Debate
04. Misunderstood
05. Blind Faith
06. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
This one definitely has changed the most since then compared to the other albums in this Survivor so far. The only similarity is that TGP made it to Finals, but even then every song has a new placement. Both BF and SD gained rank, but the other four all dropped at least 1 spot.
-Marc.
Very disappointing results, IMO. I'm much more in agreement with the 2017 results. Ah well - opinions and all that...
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I'm surprised that it changed that much! To be honest, the 2017 result strikes me as a bit weird. The present one is a lot more in line with what I perceive popular opinion on that album to be.
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Here are the results from 2017 for comparison:
01. The Glass Prison
02. Disappear
03. The Great Debate
04. Misunderstood
05. Blind Faith
06. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
What an upside-down, bizarro world we lived in in 2017. Yeesh!
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Here are the results from 2017 for comparison:
01. The Glass Prison
02. Disappear
03. The Great Debate
04. Misunderstood
05. Blind Faith
06. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
What an upside-down, bizarro world we lived in in 2017. Yeesh!
Scar :getoffmylawn:
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Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From A Memory's Final Round's Results:
Home 13 (37.1%)
Finally Free 22 (62.9%)
Total Members Voted: 35
01. Home
02. Finally Free
03. Strange Déjà Vu
04. Fatal Tragedy
05. Beyond This Life
06. Overture 1928
07. The Dance Of Eternity
08. The Spirit Carries On
09. One Last Time
10. Through Her Eyes
11. Through My Words
12. Regression
Once again, the album's two longest songs make it to the Finals! For comparison, here are the results from the 2017 Survivor:
01. Home
02. Finally Free
03. Fatal Tragedy
04. Strange Déjà Vu
05. Beyond This Life
06. Overture 1928
07. The Dance Of Eternity
08. The Spirit Carries On
09. One Last Time
10. Through Her Eyes
11. Through My Words
12. Regression
The results remained almost the same, the only change being that SDV and FT swapped places, with the former moving to Consolation this time around.
-Marc.
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Train Of Thought's Final Round's Results:
Stream Of Consciousness 23 (65.7%)
In The Name Of God 12 (34.3%)
Total Members Voted: 35
01. In The Name Of God
02. Stream Of Consciousness
03. As I Am
04. Endless Sacrifice
05. This Dying Soul
06. Vacant
07. Honor Thy Father
The long instrumental places second but both it and ITNOG move on to Finals! Here are the results from 2017 for comparison:
01. In The Name Of God
02. Stream Of Consciousness
03. This Dying Soul
04. Endless Sacrifice
05. As I Am
06. Vacant
07. Honor Thy Father
The results were mostly the same, the only change being that AIA and TDS swapped places, with the album opener now moving on to Consolation this time around!
-Marc.
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Wow...TDS finishing THIRD in 2017? Bleh!
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2017 results were better for ToT. This Dying Soul is massively better than As I Am.
For SFAM, 2017 results were worse. Just don't get the Fatal Tragedy thing. I'd have it 9th, not 3rd or 4th.
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Systematic Chaos's Final Round's Results:
In The Presence Of Enemies (Parts I & II) 7 (18.4%)
The Ministry Of Lost Souls 31 (81.6%)
Total Members Voted: 38
01. In The Presence Of Enemies (Parts I & II)
02. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
03. Constant Motion
04. Forsaken
05. The Dark Eternal Night
06. Repentance
07. Prophets Of War
And with over 80% of the votes, TMOLS places second but the album's two longest songs both make it to the Finals. For comparison, here are the results from the 2017 Survivor:
01. In The Presence Of Enemies (Parts I & II)
02. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
03. Forsaken
04. Constant Motion
05. The Dark Eternal Night
06. Repentance
07. Prophets Of War
Almost identical, the only change being that "Forsaken" and "Constant Motion" have swapped places, with the latter moving to Consolation this time around!
-Marc.
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We got it right with Forsaken the previous time!
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Octavarium's Final Round's Result:
The Root Of All Evil 34 (87.2%)
Octavarium 5 (12.8%)
Total Members Voted: 39
01. Octavarium
02. The Root Of All Evil
03. These Walls
04. Panic Attack
05. Sacrificed Sons
06. Never Enough
07. I Walk Beside You
08. The Answer Lies Within
Interesting that five folks preferred TROAE over the fairly beloved fan-favorite title track! Here are the 2017 results for comparison:
Octavarium
01. Octavarium
02. The Root Of All Evil
03. Sacrificed Sons
04. These Walls
05. Panic Attack
06. Never Enough
07. The Answer Lies Within
08. I Walk Beside You
IWBY and TALW swapped places, while 3rd-6th places all shuffled around a bit, giving TW the Consolation place over SS from 2017.
-Marc.
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Black Clouds & Silver Linings's Final Round's Results:
A Nightmare To Remember 32 (86.5%)
The Count Of Tuscany 5 (13.5%)
Total Members Voted: 37
01. The Count Of Tuscany
02. A Nightmare To Remember
03. The Shattered Fortress
04. Wither
05. The Best Of Times
06. A Rite Of Passage
As expected, the album's two longest songs go to Finals, with the closing epic placing first. Here are the results from 2017 for comparison:
01. The Count Of Tuscany
02. A Nightmare To Remember
03. The Shattered Fortress
04. Wither
05. The Best Of Times
06. A Rite Of Passage
Aaaaand they were exactly the same. I guess getting the same results twice in a row means, on the whole, this is how DTF ranks the album.
-Marc.
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A Dramatic Turn Of Events's Final Round's Results:
Bridges In The Sky 29 (85.3%)
Breaking All Illusions 5 (14.7%)
Total Members Voted: 34
01. Breaking All Illusions
02. Bridges In The Sky
03. Lost Not Forgotten
04. Outcry
05. On The Backs Of Angels
06. This Is The Life
07. Beneath The Surface
08. Far From Heaven
09. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
BITS places second with just over 85% of the total votes, making BAI the clear winner here, but both move on to the Finals. Here are the results from 2017 for comparison:
01. Breaking All Illusions
02. Bridges In The Sky
03. On The Backs Of Angels
04. Outcry
05. This Is The Life
06. Beneath The Surface
07. Lost Not Forgotten
08. Far From Heaven
09. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Looks like LNF jumped up from 7th place last time up to 3rd/Consolation, which is a big leap for the song, and in this survivor in general. Outcry remained fourth and barely made it to Consolation both times. Maybe next time it'll get there? (Sorry Outcry fans).
We march on with the beginning of The Astonishing and we near the end of the DT12 Survivor, and after that ends, we will begin the survivor for Distance Over Time, its first time here in the DT Survivor! I'm excited to see how that goes as I think I know what the fan favorites are, but I'm sure I might be surprised!
-Marc.
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So this time around we voted Beneath the Surface out earlier, and kept Lost Not Forgotten around for a long time. We did worse :D
Anyway, I don't really care for the song, but LNF's resiliance has to be applauded!
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This year's results are almost identical to mine, just put BMU,BMD above TITL. That song is so overly hated in my opinion.
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So this time around we voted Beneath the Surface out earlier, and kept Lost Not Forgotten around for a long time. We did worse :D
Nah. I'm WAY more in agreement with the order this time around as opposed to 2017.
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Both sets of results are egregiously wrong for having Far From Heaven in the bottom three instead of the top three, but I definitely agree with having On the Backs of Angels high and Lost Not Forgotten low.
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Both sets of results are egregiously wrong for having Far From Heaven in the bottom three instead of the top three, but I definitely agree with having On the Backs of Angels high and Lost Not Forgotten low.
A duet with JLB and JR is never going to get very high against full band songs.
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So I know we are at least a month and a half out from getting to the Finals, but I was thinking about doing something a bit different with the Finals. Since it'll have 40 songs (the most in any DT Survivor Finals history), I was thinking of letting everyone vote for TWO songs/tracks for at least the first 10 rounds, or at least until we eliminate half of the 40 songs from the Finals, just to speed things along a bit since I'm sure there are plenty of tracks that won't likely make anyone's top 20 of the Finals.
If I run it traditionally, one vote per voter per round, the Finals will take 39 rounds, which means it'll take 68 days, or just under 10 weeks, barring any tie-breakers. Now, if I do do two-votes-per-round, I'll only eliminate 2 songs per round for the rounds that have two votes each, so if there are more than two songs with the same number of votes as the most voted songs, there would be a tie-breaker, but if the 2nd highest number of votes is a tie, I'll just eliminate the highest voted songs (for example, if Song A gets 30 votes, but Songs B and C get 28 votes, I'll just eliminate Song A, and then we will see if Songs B and C go out in the following round).
Is this a good idea? Would folks be on board for this? I'm sure some will say "It's your survivor, just run it however you want" and that's cool. I just also don't really want to have to prolong the Finals any longer than it should be, and I'm sure we're all eager to get to the end!
-Marc.
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Yeah, couple of votes for the first round seems cool.
Do it also for consolations, that's gonna take some time as well!
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As far as I can tell, this is the only survivor running at the moment. It also goes without saying that this is the survivor for the band that this forum is for. Its for those reasons that I don't see a reason to rush this along at all.
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Do you, boo.
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After reading what MM and DOC wrote, I have come to the conclusion that either option is ok by me.
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Completely fine either way Marc. Go ahead and make the call.
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Dream Theater's Final Round's Results:
The Bigger Picture 25 (71.4%)
Illumination Theory 10 (28.6%)
Total Members Voted: 35
01. Illumination Theory
02. The Bigger Picture
03. Behind The Veil
04. Surrender To Reason
05. The Enemy Inside
06. The Looking Glass
07. Along For The Ride
08. Enigma Machine
09. False Awakening Suite
Voted 5-to-2, "The Bigger Picture" places second, but both it and "Illumination Theory" advance to the Finals! Here are the results from 2017 for comparison:
01. Illumination Theory
02. Surrender To Reason
03. The Bigger Picture
04. The Enemy Inside
05. Behind The Veil
06. The Looking Glass
07. Along For The Ride
08. Enigma Machine
09. False Awakening Suite
Looks like the top five remained the top 5, albeit shuffled around between 2nd and 5th places, while the bottom 4 were exactly the same as last time. Honestly it was so close in some of those rounds that 2nd-5th places could swap every time we do this, just depending on who is around to vote at the time.
As an update to the Survivor, we have just started the first ever album survivor for Distance Over Time, while The Astonishing continues to truck along and will probably finish as we get through the survivor for AVFTTOTW. After those three albums finish, there's still the Majesty Demos and the B-Sides/Non-Album Tracks Survivors as well, and then finally Consolation and Finals, but while those run, we'll also have the Studio Albums and Live Albums Survivors to run as well!
-Marc.
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This time around we got it right :D
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This time around we got it right :D
Agreed! :tup
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Generally, the 2017 results have been closer to my thoughts than this time.
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Distance Over Time's Final Round's Results:
Barstool Warrior 29 (76.3%)
At Wit's End 9 (23.7%)
Total Members Voted: 38
01. At Wit's End
02. Barstool Warrior
03. Pale Blue Dot
04. Fall Into The Light
05. S2N
06. Untethered Angel
07. Paralyzed
08. Out Of Reach
09. Viper King
10. Room 137
And here are the final results of the first-ever Distant Over Time Survivor here, and I've gotta say, I don't mind the outcome. I kind of wish PBD made it to the finals, but BW is pretty good too. Maybe PBD fans can help it survive in the Consolation Rounds (since the top 4 are going to the Finals).
Anyways, we're in the home stretch for The Astonishing and just started the survivor for A View From The Top Of The World. Both should be done in about 2 weeks, and then we will move on to the Majesty Demos and the Non-Album Songs/B-Sides.
-Marc.
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The Astonishing's Final Round's Results
The Gift Of Music 20 (69%)
The Path That Divides 9 (31%)
Total Members Voted: 29
01. The Path That Divides
02. The Gift Of Music
03. Moment Of Betrayal
04. A Life Left Behind
05. Three Days
06. Lord Nafaryus
07. Heaven's Cove
08. A New Beginning
09. The X Aspect
10. A Savior In The Square
11. Dystopian Overture
12. Ravenskill
13. A Better Life
14. When Your Time Has Come
15. Our New World
16. The Walking Shadow
17. Chosen
18. A Tempting Offer
19. Act Of Faythe
20. My Last Farewell
21. The Road To Revolution
22. Astonishing
23. Hymn Of A Thousand Voices
24. 2285 Entr'acte
25. The Answer
Brother, Can You Hear Me?
Begin Again
28. Losing Faythe
Whispers On The Wind
30. Descent Of The Nomacs
The Hovering Sojourn
Digital Discord
Machine Chatter
Power Down
I think most of us can agree that this has been a bit of a mess once we got past the first couple of rounds. I think because this is such a HUGE album, the differences between this run and the one from 2017 will be the most drastic compared to any of the other albums, whose rankings were fairly consistent. Here are the results from the 2017 Survivor for comparison:
The Astonishing
01. Three Days
02. Moment Of Betrayal
03. A Life Left Behind
A Tempting Offer
05. A Better Life
06. A Savior In The Square
07. Dystopian Overture
08. The Path That Divides
09. Lord Nafaryus
10. A New Beginning
11. The Gift Of Music
12. The X Aspect
13. Ravenskill
14. Heaven's Cove
15. When Your Time Has Come
16. The Walking Shadow
17. Our New World
18. Chosen
19. The Road To Revolution
20. Astonishing
21. The Answer
Act Of Faythe
My Last Farewell
24. Brother, Can You Hear Me?
25. Hymn Of A Thousand Voices
26. Begin Again
27. Losing Faythe
28. 2285 Entr'acte
29. Whispers On The Wind
30. Digital Discord
Machine Chatter
32. Descent Of The Nomacs
The Hovering Sojourn
Power Down
"The Gift Of Music" didn't even make the top ten last time. ALLB and MOB swapped spots but both remained in the Top Four to advance to the Finals, while TPTD jumped up from 8th to 1st. "Three Days" went from 1st to 5th this time, while "Lord Nafaryus" jumped up three spots from 9th to 6th to make it to Consolation Rounds this time. Meanwhile, former Finals song "A Tempting Offer" went from top 4 to 18th, and the former Consolation songs "A Better Life" and "A Savior In The Square" went from 5th and 6th to 13th and 10th, respectively.
It'll be interesting to see how these rankings shake out next time we run this survivor. At least the NOMAC tracks will always be at the bottom. :lol
-Marc.
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Both of these are kind of bad, tbh, putting some of the top songs (The X Aspect, Chosen, imo The Road to Revolution) way too low.
The Path That Divides is a better winner than Three Days, but I think the 2017 result is overall slightly better because A Tempting Offer is rightly in the top 10 instead of at #18.
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My own personal top ten for The Astonishing is, in album order:
Dystopian Overture
The Gift of Music
Lord Nafaryus
Three Days
A Life Left Behind
Ravenskill
The X Aspect
A New Beginning
The Path That Divides
Our New World
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A View From The Top Of The World's Final Round's Results:
Awaken The Master 21 (61.8%)
A View From The Top Of The World 13 (38.2%)
Total Members Voted: 34
01. A View From The Top Of The World
02. Awaken The Master
03. Answering The Call
04. The Alien
05. Sleeping Giant
06. Transcending Time
07. Invisible Monster
The album's closing epic takes the top spot, but both it and ATM both advance to the Finals, while ATC goes to Consolation. We are now done with all the studio albums, and barring any ties, both Majesty Demos and the B-Sides Survivors should finish at the same time.
Consolation Rounds should start on March 26th, which will run for 17 rounds/34 days, unless everyone wants to start it with multi-vote/multi-elimination rounds like I usually do for longer/double albums given there are 18 songs in Consolation this time around. It would definitely help expedite the process and get to the more exciting Finals a bit quicker!
-Marc.
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I'm ok with Multiple votes
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I'm ok with Multiple votes
Same.
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The Majesty Demos' Final Round's Results:
(http://Another Won 10 (62.5%))
A Vision 6 (37.5%)
Total Members Voted: 16
01. A Vision
02. Another Won
03. Vital Star
04. March Of The Tyrant
05. Two Far
06. Your Majesty
07. Cry For Freedom
08. The School Song
09. Resurrection Of Ernie
The final results are about as expected, especially compared to the unusual 2017 results:
01. A Vision
02. March Of The Tyrant
03. Cry For Freedom
04. Another Won
05. Vital Star
06. Two Far
07. The School Song
08. Your Majesty
This week we will (hopefully) wrap up the Non-Album Songs & B-Sides Survivor, then next week we will begin the Consolation Rounds. I'll probably also run the Live Albums Survivor as well! During the Finals, I may also pepper in some smaller DT-related Survivors, like The Twelve-Step Suite Songs, or The Epics.
-Marc.
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I'm ok with Multiple votes
Same.
Indeed!
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The Majesty Demos' Final Round's Results:
(http://Another Won 10 (62.5%))
A Vision 6 (37.5%)
Total Members Voted: 16
01. A Vision
02. Another Won
03. Vital Star
04. March Of The Tyrant
05. Two Far
06. Your Majesty
07. Cry For Freedom
08. The School Song
09. Resurrection Of Ernie
The final results are about as expected, especially compared to the unusual 2017 results:
01. A Vision
02. March Of The Tyrant
03. Cry For Freedom
04. Another Won
05. Vital Star
06. Two Far
07. The School Song
08. Your Majesty
Interesting to see the 2017 results. They fit much more closely with my personal opinion than this year.
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Non-Album Songs & B-Sides' Final Round's Results:
A Change Of Seasons 3 (10%)
Raise The Knife 27 (90%)
Total Members Voted: 30
01. A Change Of Seasons
02. Raise The Knife
03. To Live Forever
04. Speak To Me
05. Eve
06. The Way It Used To Be
07. Don't Look Past Me
08. Cover My Eyes
09. Where Are You Now?
10. The Holiday Spirit Carries On
11. Raw Dog
Voted 9-to-1, RTK places second, but both it and ACOS move on to the Finals! Here's the results from the 2017 Survivor for comparison:
Cleaning Out The Closet & Other B-Sides
01. A Change Of Seasons
02. To Live Forever
03. Eve
04. Speak To Me
05. Raise The Knife
06. Don't Look Past Me
07. The Way It Used To Be
08. Cover My Eyes
09. Where Are You Now?
10. You Or Me
11. Raw Dog
For one reason or another, I included the "You Or Me" demo, which was officially released on the Hollow Years CD single, so I guess it technically counts as a B-Side (being different enough from the final album version of "You Not Me"). The Top 5 remained the same between both, though with some shuffling around (though "Speak To Me" stayed at 4th), and 6th and 7th places swapped while "Cover My Eyes" and "Where Are You Now?" remained 8th and 9th respectively. "Raw Dog" was still the first one out as well.
The Consolation Rounds are underway with a few multi-vote rounds at first, then it'll continue with single-vote rounds to the end. By mid-to-late April, the Finals should start, and those will begin with some multi-vote/multi-elimination rounds as well, as I'm sure there are a few songs in the Finals many fans would like to see go all at once, and it'll speed things along to the more exciting/more difficult decisions later on. We're in the home-stretch now, so hopefully this will finish up by the end of May! When the Finals begin, I'll also be running the Albums Survivors (Studio albums, then Live albums).
-Marc.
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The Consolation's Final Round's Results:
Take The Time 12 (42.9%)
Strange Déjà Vu 16 (57.1%)
Total Members Voted: 28
01. Take The Time
02. Strange Déjà Vu
03. The Mirror
04. Blind Faith
05. Hell's Kitchen
06. These Walls
07. As I Am
08. Lost Not Forgotten
09. Pale Blue Dot
10. Behind The Veil
11. Answering The Call
12. The Shattered Fortress
13. Three Days
14. Ytse Jam
15. To Live Forever
16. Constant Motion
17. Lord Nafaryus
18. Vital Star
Unsurprisingly, the songs from IAW, Awake, SFAM and SDOIT make the top four, and all advanced to the Finals, which is currently running in its second round! And even though the song choices were different last time, here are the Consolation Rounds results from the 2017 Survivor:
01. Take The Time
02. Fatal Tragedy
03. Voices
04. The Great Debate
05. Peruvian Skies
06. Sacrificed Sons
07. On The Backs Of Angels
08. The Bigger Picture
09. Forsaken
10. The Shattered Fortress
11. A Savior In The Square
12. A Better Life
13. This Dying Soul
14. Eve
15. The Ytse Jam
16. Cry For Freedom
Looks like "Take The Time" was destined to be in the Finals!
-Marc.
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Lol at A Saviour in the Square and A Better Life over This Dying Soul...
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The Studio Albums's Final Round's Results:
Images And Words 18 (51.4%)
Scenes From A Memory 17 (48.6%)
Total Members Voted: 35
01. Scenes From A Memory
02. Images And Words
03. Awake
04. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
05. A Dramatic Turn Of Events
06. Train Of Thought
07. Octavarium
08. A View From The Top Of The World
09. Distance Over Time
10. Falling Into Infinity
11. Black Clouds & Silver Linings
12. Dream Theater
13. Systematic Chaos
14. The Astonishing
15. When Dream And Day Unite
Well I knew it would be close in the end, but by ONE VOTE?! That's as close as you can get without it being a tie, but honestly, I'm sure for most fans, either one could've won and we'd be fine with the results. Here are the Albums Survivor results from 2017, which of course do not include DOT and AVFTTOTW:
01, Scenes From A Memory
02. Images And Words
03. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
04. Awake
05. A Dramatic Turn Of Events
06. Octavarium
07. Train Of Thought
08. The Astonishing
09. Falling Into Infinity
10. Systematic Chaos
11. Black Clouds & Silver Linings
12. Dream Theater
13. When Dream And Day Unite
The Astonishing dropped from 8th to 14th in five years, while pairs of albums have swapped, like SDOIT/Awake and Octavarium/TOT. Meanwhile, ADTOE remains in fifth, and the top two stayed the same, and the band's debut album remains the first one out.
-Marc.
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Wow, The Astonishing was really benefitting from the "newest album euphoria" moment, uh?
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The Finals Final Round's Results:
Learning To Live 17 (48.6%)
A Change Of Seasons 18 (51.4%)
Total Members Voted: 35
01. Learning To Live
02. A Change Of Seasons
03. Metropolis Part 1: The Miracle And The Sleeper
04. Octavarium
05. Scarred
06. Voices
07. Breaking All Illusions
08. Home
09. Trial Of Tears
10. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
11. Finally Free
12. Strange Déjà Vu
13. In The Name Of God
14. The Glass Prison
15. The Mirror
16. The Count Of Tuscany
17. Take The Time
18. Lines In The Sand
19. In The Presence Of Enemies (Parts I & II)
20. Stream Of Consciousness
21. Bridges In The Sky
22. Blind Faith
23. The Root Of All Evil
24. At Wit's End
25. A View From The Top Of The World
26. The Killing Hand
27. A Nightmare To Remember
Illumination Theory
29. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
Barstool Warrior
31. The Bigger Picture
32. A Fortune In Lies
The Gift Of Music
Awaken The Master
35. Raise The Knife
36. The Path That Divides
37. Moment Of Betrayal
A Life Left Behind
39. Another Won
40. A Vision
By a difference of ONE VOTE, "Learning To Live" takes the gold, leaving "A Change Of Seasons" to take 2nd place and the silver.
What a journey this was, and thanks again to everyone who participated! I really enjoyed running this one again, and seeing how similar and different things have been since the 2017 survivor, and these finals were no different! If you want to see the full results from the Dream Theater 2017 Survivor (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=49147.0), you can go to that thread, but here are the Top Ten from the previous Finals, just for comparison:
01. Octavarium
02. A Change Of Seasons
03. Metropolis Part 1: The Miracle And The Sleeper
04. Learning To Live
05. Home
06. Breaking All Illusions
07. Take The Time
08. Trial Of Tears
09. The Glass Prison
10. Finally Free
As you can see, a lot of the same songs survived to the Top Ten, so I think we can safely say at this point, these are definitively all Top Ten picks for many, but not all, fans here, especially as the Top Four on both Survivors are the same four songs.
-Marc.
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Thanks for running this, Marc!
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Agreed! This was fun!
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Nice. Thanks, pal!
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This was great, thanks for running it!
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A decade on from its last triumph in a DTF tournament, Learning to Live returns to the top of the world once again.
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By a difference of ONE VOTE, "Learning To Live" takes the gold, leaving "A Change Of Seasons" to take 2nd place and the silver.
I actually missed the vote and would have tied it :lol
Thanks for running this!
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By a difference of ONE VOTE, "Learning To Live" takes the gold, leaving "A Change Of Seasons" to take 2nd place and the silver.
I actually missed the vote and would have tied it :lol
Thanks for running this!
:facepalm: :lol
Well, I even ran the round an extra day just to make sure everyone saw it over the weekend, but I guess that didn't matter! Ah well. There's always next time!
-Marc.
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Thank you very much for running this for all this time! :hefdaddy