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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: TAC on October 17, 2021, 01:39:42 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLP4IiZMCQs
Most notable nugget for me was him talking about postponing the tour.
The band was split on touring or not touring with JP and JM wanting to tour, but the other guys didn't. I found this interesting, but I found it VERY interesting that JP gave us the battle lines on it.
Timestamp here:
https://youtu.be/GLP4IiZMCQs?t=1192
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Very interesting. Thanks for the link TAC
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Whoa, Jordan mentioned the band having different opinions about postponing on the latest Prog Report podcast, but I never thought it was JP and JM against the other three.
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Doesn't surprise me JP wanted to tour. And I understand why JLB would be concerned, also Jordan.
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Ultimately, I think they're going to have a better turnout next year when people can get their kids vaccinated and are feeling more adventurous in the harder hit states. It might work out great for me, who is probably going to love DT15 but couldn't make the original date.
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Whoa, Jordan mentioned the band having different opinions about postponing on the latest Prog Report podcast
I'd love to hear his talk about that. Can anyone find the spot?
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Whoa, Jordan mentioned the band having different opinions about postponing on the latest Prog Report podcast
I'd love to hear his talk about that. Can anyone find the spot?
https://youtu.be/wpYWokjWYss?t=253 :tup
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Thanks G! That's interesting.
I'm frankly shocked at how JP framed this.
I wonder why he and JM just wouldn't go out and play JP's solo stuff if they wanted to tour that much. Maybe a string of East Coast dates. ;D
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Certainly a tough and saddening decision for them to make. Especially with the excitement and energy of a new album. Never heard of this Sonic Perspective entity. Anybody know anything about them?
Our family got COVID-19 a couple of weeks ago. There are 5 of us and we all had a different experience from "meh" to lying in bed for a week with headache, fever, no taste/smell, feeling short of breath, etc. We're all good now. However, I just spoke to one of the neighbors a couple of days ago and found out the 39 year old guitarist in his band passed away from COVID, leaving behind a family. Hard to know how it will affect you.
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Wow that's fucked.
Glad to hear you guys recovered.
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Certainly a tough and saddening decision for them to make. Especially with the excitement and energy of a new album. Never heard of this Sonic Perspective entity. Anybody know anything about them?
Our family got COVID-19 a couple of weeks ago. There are 5 of us and we all had a different experience from "meh" to lying in bed for a week with headache, fever, no taste/smell, feeling short of breath, etc. We're all good now. However, I just spoke to one of the neighbors a couple of days ago and found out the 39 year old guitarist in his band passed away from COVID, leaving behind a family. Hard to know how it will affect you.
Was he vaccinated?
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Really odd that a tour was even announced and tickets were sold in many venues if that discussion of canceling came up..they had to have talked about it a month earlier ..still think there is something more to it..hell Jordan has already been out there doing shows
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Really odd that a tour was even announced and tickets were sold in many venues if that discussion of canceling came up..they had to have talked about it a month earlier ..still think there is something more to it..hell Jordan has already been out there doing shows
Jordan started his answer king of strangely. Saying the decision was "beyond words" and "something I wouldn't want to get into".
I wonder if there's a crack forming..
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I personally think James is probably the one who really doesn't want to tour. He's concerned about getting ill and how it could be super detrimental to his singing. He mentioned something to that effect in an interview I listened to. Before the tour was announced. It wasn't a comment about DT's tour specifically, but about how it would be horrible for a vocalist. And in a little video Mike had about his drumming clinics, he mentioned the cancelled tour in passing, and I got the impression he wasn't totally into the postponement. I could be wrong though, it was just what I thought when he made his comment.
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Really odd that a tour was even announced and tickets were sold in many venues if that discussion of canceling came up..they had to have talked about it a month earlier ..still think there is something more to it..hell Jordan has already been out there doing shows
Jordan started his answer king of strangely. Saying the decision was "beyond words" and "something I wouldn't want to get into".
I wonder if there's a crack forming..
I would hate if something like this created a problem in the band that really has been going great, even with the MP issue.
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I dont know. It’s just a bummer all around, regardless of the reason(s). I really regret buying tickets and just want a refund. I don’t see how playing a tour in February is going to work any better at all.
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You are all just reading too much.
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Really odd that a tour was even announced and tickets were sold in many venues if that discussion of canceling came up..they had to have talked about it a month earlier ..still think there is something more to it..hell Jordan has already been out there doing shows
I'm with you on this. I mean, they had to have already hashed this stuff out and all agreed to tour before announcing the tour and selling tickets, right? Is it possible that JP made this decision on his own, without getting everyone's OK? It's just really strange to me that they'd announce a tour, then like a month later postpone it... and I don't see how in February everything is going to magically be OK
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Really odd that a tour was even announced and tickets were sold in many venues if that discussion of canceling came up..they had to have talked about it a month earlier ..still think there is something more to it..hell Jordan has already been out there doing shows
Jordan started his answer king of strangely. Saying the decision was "beyond words" and "something I wouldn't want to get into".
I wonder if there's a crack forming..
I would hate if something like this created a problem in the band that really has been going great, even with the MP issue.
I don't think so. In the interview with Jordan I linked above, he talks about this being such a strange time for going out on tour and that it's really different going out on his own vs taking the whole band + crew, etc. He also says even though there were different opinions from the band members, he thinks it was the right choice.
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Certainly a tough and saddening decision for them to make. Especially with the excitement and energy of a new album. Never heard of this Sonic Perspective entity. Anybody know anything about them?
Our family got COVID-19 a couple of weeks ago. There are 5 of us and we all had a different experience from "meh" to lying in bed for a week with headache, fever, no taste/smell, feeling short of breath, etc. We're all good now. However, I just spoke to one of the neighbors a couple of days ago and found out the 39 year old guitarist in his band passed away from COVID, leaving behind a family. Hard to know how it will affect you.
Was he vaccinated?
Thanks TAC.
Barstool Warrior: He wasn't. My partner and I are both 32 and were vaccinated 6+ months ago. My partner said her experience was about a 5/10 on the suck scale, and for me it was a 3/10. Our 3 kids are 14 & under, all unvaccinated, and just ended up with some headaches and temporary loss of smell and taste.
Everyone lost their sense of smell on a different day, and the way to confirm it was to stick your head in the trash can and take a big whiff. One day my partner, with her head in the trash bin violently sniffing like a dog, calls me over to check if the trash smells and she's not just being paranoid. I go in deep with a big whiff and about threw up! It was disgusting.
Back to the band - really tough decision. I'll be sure to see them when they do make it out. We (Arizona) were their first stop on the US tour!
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I personally think James is probably the one who really doesn't want to tour. He's concerned about getting ill and how it could be super detrimental to his singing. He mentioned something to that effect in an interview I listened to. Before the tour was announced. It wasn't a comment about DT's tour specifically, but about how it would be horrible for a vocalist. And in a little video Mike had about his drumming clinics, he mentioned the cancelled tour in passing, and I got the impression he wasn't totally into the postponement. I could be wrong though, it was just what I thought when he made his comment.
This is what I feel is the most plausible reason, and I do not blame JLB at all. Every interview I have seen where he discusses his voice, he is very concerned with taking good care of it and doing everything possible to prevent any sort of damage. And this is one thing I think he established after his incident.
The silver lining(pun intended) to all of this is that his vocals will be better than before. He has had a lot more time to rest his vocals and I bet he also is noticing how much a difference this longer, unintended break has been beneficial for his vocals.
I understand if he doesn't want to risk even doing anything to his vocals, which is a possibility if he does get this sickness.
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Just listened to the interview and John actually seems kind of borderline bitter that the other guys didn't want to tour. :eek
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Not sure if discussed, I don't have time to watch. Was it the band's final call to postpone? I had thought something of that level would be made by management, or the promoters. I don't know how all this works. Do we know either way definitively? If it was made by a 3-2 majority of the band, it changes how I feel about it. There seem to be so many events taking place, such that a cancelled tour is by far the exception, not the rule. But I am not a concert guy so maybe I am wrong?
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Not sure if discussed, I don't have time to watch. Was it the band's final call to postpone? I had thought something of that level would be made by management, or the promoters. I don't know how all this works. Do we know either way definitively? If it was made by a 3-2 majority of the band, it changes how I feel about it. There seem to be so many events taking place, such that a cancelled tour is by far the exception, not the rule. But I am not a concert guy so maybe I am wrong?
He mentioned the many events taking place, how some of his friends were also touring, and that they were considering doing everything possible that they can do to be able to tour. But, in the end a unanimous decision was made and JP and JM were outvoted 3-2. Which they are fortunate they have 5 members to make a unanimous vote decision. The sonic perspectives guy did a great job though to get JP's spirits uplifted at least by saying how much the fans will still be there when the band returns to touring, having their back and rocking out to the new album.
This push also allows people to digest the album more, which is beneficial for those like myself whom were going to see one of their first shows. Not much time to know the album much unless you consistently listen to the album.
I am very bummed as much as JP seems to be, but I am also looking at the good that can come from postponing just a bit longer. Such as getting to know the album and hearing how well JLB's voice is gonna sound now that he has gotten a lot of time to rest, which may possibly be the longest he has gone for resting his vocals.
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I wouldn't worry guys. I'm still waiting for them to come back to Australia after it was postponed a year and a half ago. Eventually cancelled and just got my money back about a month ago. :tup
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Can't see the decision to tour / not tour being something that kills the band . . .
They've been around since 1985. I'm sure they've had way worse arguments before...
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Not sure if discussed, I don't have time to watch. Was it the band's final call to postpone? I had thought something of that level would be made by management, or the promoters. I don't know how all this works. Do we know either way definitively? If it was made by a 3-2 majority of the band, it changes how I feel about it. There seem to be so many events taking place, such that a cancelled tour is by far the exception, not the rule. But I am not a concert guy so maybe I am wrong?
I think you're wrong. Anecdotal but of all the concerts I have tickets to, more than half canceled. Of the other concerts I'm seeing, nearly all have had to cancel at least one show and many have had to cancel more or the whole tour.
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I really don't think JP minds having a democracy and being outvoted. Kotowboy is right, they've probably straight up argued over contentious decisions in the past. I'm sure JP got an earful from everyone in the opposite camp when they had their little rows during the FII era and it turned out fans hated the decisions JP voted for on that album. He and JM probably just think that now is as safe as it gets and February won't make much of a difference.
Nice of him and JR to throw us a bone by giving more than the PR answer and being honest with their feelings, but we shouldn't read anything super apocalyptic into it.
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Yeah, the only way I see things scalating to a real problem within the band would be if they wanted to postpone AGAIN. Then it would get kind of messy.
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Not sure if discussed, I don't have time to watch. Was it the band's final call to postpone? I had thought something of that level would be made by management, or the promoters. I don't know how all this works. Do we know either way definitively? If it was made by a 3-2 majority of the band, it changes how I feel about it. There seem to be so many events taking place, such that a cancelled tour is by far the exception, not the rule. But I am not a concert guy so maybe I am wrong?
But, in the end a unanimous decision was made and JP and JM were outvoted 3-2.
I'm a little confused. I thought unanimous would mean 5-0?
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The NMB and other bands postponed their tour to February, so I wonder if this has any influence or pressure on DT's decision to do the same?
At least the NMB band allready has their new dates posted. DT'S managment or promoters must be having a logistical nightmare trying to secure the same venues for later dates. Being that the venues that DT are playing are somewhat larger with more traffic going through them.
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Not sure if discussed, I don't have time to watch. Was it the band's final call to postpone? I had thought something of that level would be made by management, or the promoters. I don't know how all this works. Do we know either way definitively? If it was made by a 3-2 majority of the band, it changes how I feel about it. There seem to be so many events taking place, such that a cancelled tour is by far the exception, not the rule. But I am not a concert guy so maybe I am wrong?
But, in the end a unanimous decision was made and JP and JM were outvoted 3-2.
I'm a little confused. I thought unanimous would mean 5-0?
You're right, unanimous would mean they would all agree, which clearly wasn't the case. Interesting to see it was the John's who wanted to tour, though I this split decision doesn't affect relationships within the band. Not saying it has or will, just hoping it hasn't or won't. Hopefully things will work out with the delayed tour dates.
-Marc.
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This will free up JP to play on Devin Townsends album
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Really odd that a tour was even announced and tickets were sold in many venues if that discussion of canceling came up..they had to have talked about it a month earlier ..still think there is something more to it..hell Jordan has already been out there doing shows
Planning a tour happens a lot earlier than when it gets announced. They probably planned this back in late spring when it looked like Covid was on retreat and then they probably started having the discussion of cancellation when this spike was at it's worse. Just my guess. I think the timing might make more sense when you think about how long the planning takes before fans even hear about it.
As for JLB to be worried about his voice, has there been any cases of covid infections causing vocal harm? I guess it's possible since it almost seems like anything is with this virus, but lots of noteable singers have had covid and it did not impact their vocals post recovery. Corey Taylor comes to mind who's singing was fantastic recently and he said his covid battle was the worst illness of his life.
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As for JLB to be worried about his voice, has there been any cases of covid infections causing vocal harm? I guess it's possible since it almost seems like anything is with this virus, but lots of noteable singers have had covid and it did not impact their vocals post recovery. Corey Taylor comes to mind who's singing was fantastic recently and he said his covid battle was the worst illness of his life.
I can't fault him for not wanting to take the chance. What if he were the first case of a person with blown out vocal cords due to COVID?
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As for JLB to be worried about his voice, has there been any cases of covid infections causing vocal harm? I guess it's possible since it almost seems like anything is with this virus, but lots of noteable singers have had covid and it did not impact their vocals post recovery. Corey Taylor comes to mind who's singing was fantastic recently and he said his covid battle was the worst illness of his life.
I can't fault him for not wanting to take the chance. What if he were the first case of a person with blown out vocal cords due to COVID?
I think it has to do with breathing. Lungs can be damaged. I have been hospitalized 3 times in my life with pneumonia. Even with much cardio training, my lack of breath is always my weak link in fitness.
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Certainly a tough and saddening decision for them to make. Especially with the excitement and energy of a new album. Never heard of this Sonic Perspective entity. Anybody know anything about them?
Our family got COVID-19 a couple of weeks ago. There are 5 of us and we all had a different experience from "meh" to lying in bed for a week with headache, fever, no taste/smell, feeling short of breath, etc. We're all good now. However, I just spoke to one of the neighbors a couple of days ago and found out the 39 year old guitarist in his band passed away from COVID, leaving behind a family. Hard to know how it will affect you.
Was he vaccinated?
Thanks TAC.
Barstool Warrior: He wasn't. My partner and I are both 32 and were vaccinated 6+ months ago. My partner said her experience was about a 5/10 on the suck scale, and for me it was a 3/10. Our 3 kids are 14 & under, all unvaccinated, and just ended up with some headaches and temporary loss of smell and taste.
Everyone lost their sense of smell on a different day, and the way to confirm it was to stick your head in the trash can and take a big whiff. One day my partner, with her head in the trash bin violently sniffing like a dog, calls me over to check if the trash smells and she's not just being paranoid. I go in deep with a big whiff and about threw up! It was disgusting.
Back to the band - really tough decision. I'll be sure to see them when they do make it out. We (Arizona) were their first stop on the US tour!
The real question is:
Was this person previously infected?
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Not sure if discussed, I don't have time to watch. Was it the band's final call to postpone? I had thought something of that level would be made by management, or the promoters. I don't know how all this works. Do we know either way definitively? If it was made by a 3-2 majority of the band, it changes how I feel about it. There seem to be so many events taking place, such that a cancelled tour is by far the exception, not the rule. But I am not a concert guy so maybe I am wrong?
But, in the end a unanimous decision was made and JP and JM were outvoted 3-2.
I'm a little confused. I thought unanimous would mean 5-0?
If you listen carefully, JP said that it WASN'T unanimous.
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Unfortunately the virus is still going to be here and spreading in Feb, so I hope they are able to work out whatever was making some of the members uncomfortable (totally understandable). I would not be surprised if ticket sales also factored into this, but at this stage, we are all going to have to risk catching it if we want to go to shows or tour the country.
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Unfortunately the virus is still going to be here and spreading in Feb, so I hope they are able to work out whatever was making some of the members uncomfortable (totally understandable). I would not be surprised if ticket sales also factored into this, but at this stage, we are all going to have to risk catching it if we want to go to shows or tour the country.
Bands with a bigger audience in the US are playing indoor shows in the US right now, though.
I imagine it has more to do with international dates?
However, yes, people, many of whom are doctors, have been saying for over a year and a half that the overwhelming majority of people will have to get covid for us all to move on. Jab or no jab.
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Interesting that JR wasn't specifically mentioned, with the implication that he voted against, despite just finishing his own solo tour over the last few months. Of course, it's just as likely that JP was trying to be diplomatic and not draw battle lines between members.
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Unfortunately the virus is still going to be here and spreading in Feb, so I hope they are able to work out whatever was making some of the members uncomfortable (totally understandable). I would not be surprised if ticket sales also factored into this, but at this stage, we are all going to have to risk catching it if we want to go to shows or tour the country.
Bands with a bigger audience in the US are playing indoor shows in the US right now, though.
I imagine it has more to do with international dates?
However, yes, people, many of whom are doctors, have been saying for over a year and a half that the overwhelming majority of people will have to get covid for us all to move on. Jab or no jab.
For sure. And a lot of musicians literally cannot afford NOT to tour right now. But not everyone is back at it. Zac Brown Band postponed their shows too, if I am not mistaken, and he is a pretty large act. It's going to come back just some will take longer to get comfortable with the new normal.
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Unfortunately the virus is still going to be here and spreading in Feb, so I hope they are able to work out whatever was making some of the members uncomfortable (totally understandable). I would not be surprised if ticket sales also factored into this, but at this stage, we are all going to have to risk catching it if we want to go to shows or tour the country.
Bands with a bigger audience in the US are playing indoor shows in the US right now, though.
I imagine it has more to do with international dates?
However, yes, people, many of whom are doctors, have been saying for over a year and a half that the overwhelming majority of people will have to get covid for us all to move on. Jab or no jab.
For sure. And a lot of musicians literally cannot afford NOT to tour right now. But not everyone is back at it. Zac Brown Band postponed their shows too, if I am not mistaken, and he is a pretty large act. It's going to come back just some will take longer to get comfortable with the new normal.
If they do wind up touring in Feb. it will be 2 years since playing live. 2 years, and looking like it could be more.
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I was REALLY surprised JP mentioned some of the details of the band members' disagreement. I don't know what to think whether it's good or bad for a band member to be that honest on an interview, but what surprised me the most is that in recent years, or actually my whole time following this band more closely (like 10 years), I had never seen a "conflict" of some kind being exposed by the them.
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Interesting that JR wasn't specifically mentioned, with the implication that he voted against, despite just finishing his own solo tour over the last few months. Of course, it's just as likely that JP was trying to be diplomatic and not draw battle lines between members.
Well, he said that he and JM really wanted to tour now - so I took that as the other three members did not. Now JP and JM are a few years younger than the other three guys, maybe that is playing a factor as well.
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JP and JM could definitely get some side gigs going in the meantime. Maybe hit up Derek Sherinian to play keys, he's younger too. Get Mike Portnoy on drums, he's the same age as JP and JM. Then they just need to find someone to sing. Charlie Dominici might be available, they could play some shows in the NYC tri state area. But he probably wouldn't last too long, he's much older than JP and JM. Maybe they could hold auditions for a singer, and in the meantime, write some new music til they find the right guy.
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I was REALLY surprised JP mentioned some of the details of the band members' disagreement. I don't know what to think whether it's good or bad for a band member to be that honest on an interview, but what surprised me the most is that in recent years, or actually my whole time following this band more closely (like 10 years), I had never seen a "conflict" of some kind being exposed by the them.
Yeah, that was my major takeaway. JP has been very good at saying basically nothing. Especially nothing with any meat on it (not including BBQ :D).
It was a very MP-ish move.
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JP and JM could definitely get some side gigs going in the meantime. Maybe hit up Derek Sherinian to play keys, he's younger too. Get Mike Portnoy on drums, he's the same age as JP and JM. Then they just need to find someone to sing. Charlie Dominici might be available, they could play some shows in the NYC tri state area. But he probably wouldn't last too long, he's much older than JP and JM. Maybe they could hold auditions for a singer, and in the meantime, write some new music til they find the right guy.
Now you're thinking! I'm sure MP and DS would be down...
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Like I said before, JP should grab JM, and a drummer, and do some solo dates.
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Like I said before, JP should grab JM, and a drummer, and do some solo dates.
MP? He knows the material.
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Like I said before, JP should grab JM, and a drummer, and do some solo dates.
MP? He knows the material.
THAT would be awesome!! East Coast please!
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Breaking news: John Petrucci and John Myung join Sons of Apollo for US tour.
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Hopefully the segregation mandates will be a thing of the past by the time the tour goes ahead. I want to see my favourite band but a poke proof policy violates my personal ethics. It’s also very not rock and roll.
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JP and JM could definitely get some side gigs going in the meantime. Maybe hit up Derek Sherinian to play keys, he's younger too. Get Mike Portnoy on drums, he's the same age as JP and JM. Then they just need to find someone to sing. Charlie Dominici might be available, they could play some shows in the NYC tri state area. But he probably wouldn't last too long, he's much older than JP and JM. Maybe they could hold auditions for a singer, and in the meantime, write some new music til they find the right guy.
Now you're thinking! I'm sure MP and DS would be down...
They could call themselves Woke Comedy
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Really odd that a tour was even announced and tickets were sold in many venues if that discussion of canceling came up..they had to have talked about it a month earlier ..still think there is something more to it..hell Jordan has already been out there doing shows
Planning a tour happens a lot earlier than when it gets announced. They probably planned this back in late spring when it looked like Covid was on retreat and then they probably started having the discussion of cancellation when this spike was at it's worse. Just my guess. I think the timing might make more sense when you think about how long the planning takes before fans even hear about it.
As for JLB to be worried about his voice, has there been any cases of covid infections causing vocal harm? I guess it's possible since it almost seems like anything is with this virus, but lots of noteable singers have had covid and it did not impact their vocals post recovery. Corey Taylor comes to mind who's singing was fantastic recently and he said his covid battle was the worst illness of his life.
I doubt it's any concern for his vocal cords itself more than it is the effects it has on the respiratory system, the lungs, the airways, all the areas of the body that is used in the vocal process, and is involved when one sings. He is likely weary about the possibility of getting long-term side effects.
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Hopefully the segregation mandates will be a thing of the past by the time the tour goes ahead. I want to see my favourite band but a poke proof policy violates my personal ethics. It’s also very not rock and roll.
Totally this. Don't think they have any real say about that, though.
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I don't blame JP for feeling this way. Musicians are getting the shaft and it's time that they should be able to make a living too. If I was in their shoes, that's a risk I'm willing to take. Who in their right mind really wants to keep living like this? THE SHOW MUST GO ON.
A lot has opened up and there are many larger concerts taking place, even in states with heavy mandates. Foo Fighters, Eagles, Evanescence and Halestorm, and many others are commencing at this time in 2021. Heck, look at Football stadiums now compared to last year. :lol
JP and JM want to strike while the iron is hot to promote AVFTTOTW, and I think a view from up there is a lot more clear.
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IDEA :coolio
The band could play the entire new album live at their HQ and film it and mix it properly. Then upload it to YouTube.
Obviously they wouldn't make Millions from it but it would be some revenue at least.
They could even play some classics live too. Everyone could watch it and they wouldn't have to tour for a while.
They could even film a New Album and Greatest Hits set from HQ and release it to cinemas. Probably a bit late in the day for that
but it's always an option.
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IDEA :coolio
The band could play the entire new album live at their HQ and film it and mix it properly. Then upload it to YouTube.
Obviously they wouldn't make Millions from it but it would be some revenue at least.
They could even play some classics live too. Everyone could watch it and they wouldn't have to tour for a while.
They could even film a New Album and Greatest Hits set from HQ and release it to cinemas. Probably a bit late in the day for that
but it's always an option.
I would love this, but agree is a bit late.
I said it from last year that it would have been nice for them to do some sort of live stream show, maybe an acoustic set and some rarities. Specially while they were recording the new album. They could've taken a few week to learn the songs and prepare things.
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Ι can definitely see JPs frustration with regards to touring. I'm pretty sure there's also a risk in case someone got sick though, with financial implications that the rest of the band members might not be willing to take the risk for.
On the other hand, i'm sure their financials have been impacted due to the lack of touring, so it's a mixed bag. To be fair, there's big uncertainty so there's not right or wrong, more like be willing to take a leap of faith.
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IDEA :coolio
The band could play the entire new album live at their HQ and film it and mix it properly. Then upload it to YouTube.
Obviously they wouldn't make Millions from it but it would be some revenue at least.
They could even play some classics live too. Everyone could watch it and they wouldn't have to tour for a while.
They could even film a New Album and Greatest Hits set from HQ and release it to cinemas. Probably a bit late in the day for that
but it's always an option.
I would love this, but agree is a bit late.
I said it from last year that it would have been nice for them to do some sort of live stream show, maybe an acoustic set and some rarities. Specially while they were recording the new album. They could've taken a few week to learn the songs and prepare things.
That would have been nice last year when everything was shut down. I would have paid. They could have even performed the Astonishing.
But now, nah. I want to go to shows. I have managed two in the last couple months. There just isn't anything that can replicate a live concert. The people, the energy. Its a great stress reliever for me. I do understand people not wanting to get sick, but I think the band can protect themselves by taking certain measures.
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I dont think the in band disagreement about touring is that odd. There's conflict regarding covid in just about every corner of my life. I don't see how internally in the band it would be any different.
I will say, having gone to an indoor concert last weekend that was vaccine only to get in, I think it had an effect on the turn out. This could be playing just as much of a role as their own personal health. And from everyone who said their local date wasn't selling well, that could be a legit issue as well which may be tied into local vaccine mandates.
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Where I live, it's just everyone wears a mask, regardless of vaccine status. The 2 shows I saw were full. Megadeth and Styx.
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I went to a comedy show here in the UK and the place was full but not one person was wearing a mask in the auditorium.
The theatre and the act requested people wear masks while moving around the rest of the theatre space, and almost no-one did.
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Ya, I should add, at Megadeth very few were wearing masks. And with the moshing, I thought eek, lots of spit and sweat. But, we didn't seem to get an outbreak. It's all quite varied.
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I was REALLY surprised JP mentioned some of the details of the band members' disagreement. I don't know what to think whether it's good or bad for a band member to be that honest on an interview, but what surprised me the most is that in recent years, or actually my whole time following this band more closely (like 10 years), I had never seen a "conflict" of some kind being exposed by the them.
I'm actually happy that JP feels he can be upfront with internal disagreements like this. I've felt that for a while the band has been overly diplomatic to the point of it coming off as completely disingenuous.
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Ya, I should add, at Megadeth very few were wearing masks. And with the moshing, I thought eek, lots of spit and sweat. But, we didn't seem to get an outbreak. It's all quite varied.
I haven't heard of any outbreaks from concerts. But most were outdoors which means that's much less likely, and the indoor ones here all have required vaccinations or negative tests (only just recently have they switches to vaccines only). All of these steps make it less likely for outbreaks and likely why most tours are happening. There are bumps along the way. Regardling the Megadeth tour, the Trivium manager got covid and they only just recently shared that, but managed to not miss any shows as the spread was limited to just the manager. This is, IMO, how vaccines actually work. It doesn't make it a 0 risk, but it reduces it so much that the spread is limited.
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I don't blame JP for feeling this way. Musicians are getting the shaft and it's time that they should be able to make a living too. If I was in their shoes, that's a risk I'm willing to take. Who in their right mind really wants to keep living like this?
People that dont want to suffer the long term debilitating effects of covid generally
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I don't blame JP for feeling this way. Musicians are getting the shaft and it's time that they should be able to make a living too. If I was in their shoes, that's a risk I'm willing to take. Who in their right mind really wants to keep living like this?
People that dont want to suffer the long term debilitating effects of covid generally
Isn't that what vaccinations are for? If people are that worried about it then stay home, it's all good. There are plenty of others that want to live life.
Being worried about getting sick is like worrying about getting in a crash if you leave the driveway in your car. There are certain risks with everything. Getting vaccinated is like wearing a seat belt in a car. It's there for safety precautions.
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I don't blame JP for feeling this way. Musicians are getting the shaft and it's time that they should be able to make a living too. If I was in their shoes, that's a risk I'm willing to take. Who in their right mind really wants to keep living like this?
People that dont want to suffer the long term debilitating effects of covid generally
Isn't that what vaccinations are for? If people are that worried about it then stay home, it's all good. There are plenty of others that want to live life.
Being worried about getting sick is like worrying about getting in a crash if you leave the driveway in your car. There are certain risks with everything. Getting vaccinated is like wearing a seat belt in a car. It's there for safety precautions.
I agree. And (this may be close to the covid thread..) I also think we get to choose. Choose to go to a concert. Choose to get vaccinated. (I and my family did). Choose to tour. Choose to be civil. It looks like to me - as I have been out living, traveling since the beginning of covid - that now, most people are ready to get on with it. Who knows, maybe James will never feel comfortable, as it looks like covid might be here to stay, and they would need another singer, which some have seemed to want. ( I hope not)
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I'm actually happy that JP feels he can be upfront with internal disagreements like this. I've felt that for a while the band has been overly diplomatic to the point of it coming off as completely disingenuous.
For what it's worth, I have discussed various issues with the band face to face and have never felt that they were disingenuous. There is a difference between being tactful or diplomatic and being disingenuous.
I haven't heard of any outbreaks from concerts. But most were outdoors which means that's much less likely, and the indoor ones here all have required vaccinations or negative tests (only just recently have they switches to vaccines only). All of these steps make it less likely for outbreaks and likely why most tours are happening.
While what you say is generally true, being outdoors in and of itself is not the magic ingredient. Being outdoors and social distancing together mitigate the possibility of spread. Personally, I wouldn't be comfortable being at, say an outdoor festival where you are jammed together like sardines with other people. In that type of setting, the fact of being outdoors is all but pointless. You are breathing other people's exhalation long before any Covid particles/droplets have any chance of dissipating. Honestly, this is one of the few contexts where I can say I am glad DT are playing seated venues. I would rather be indoors and have a bit of space from my neighbor than be jammed together in a pit. Being vaccinated, I am 100% comfortable with the miniscule risk in a seated environment.
Talking this out, I am wondering whether the band will do meet-and-greets or aftershows, and if so, if they will require masks. I'll have to ask JP what the plan is.
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Ya, I should add, at Megadeth very few were wearing masks. And with the moshing, I thought eek, lots of spit and sweat. But, we didn't seem to get an outbreak. It's all quite varied.
I haven't heard of any outbreaks from concerts. But most were outdoors which means that's much less likely, and the indoor ones here all have required vaccinations or negative tests (only just recently have they switches to vaccines only). All of these steps make it less likely for outbreaks and likely why most tours are happening. There are bumps along the way. Regardling the Megadeth tour, the Trivium manager got covid and they only just recently shared that, but managed to not miss any shows as the spread was limited to just the manager. This is, IMO, how vaccines actually work. It doesn't make it a 0 risk, but it reduces it so much that the spread is limited.
That's not your opinion, that's exactly how things work, not just with vaccines, but with any drug, medical procedure etc. That's how biology works.
We don't work with 100%, but we try to work with high levels of statistical significance.
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I've been to concerts this year for bands with perceived liberal or leftist fan bases, both indoor and outdoor shows, and nary a person was wearing a mask.
The indoor shows were curiously low in attendance also.
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The indoor shows were curiously low in attendance also.
The DT shows were selling pretty poorly too. At least in Boston.
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The indoor shows were curiously low in attendance also.
The DT shows were selling pretty poorly too. At least in Boston.
Umphrey's McGee in Port Chester, NY a couple of weeks ago had a ton of empty seats. No one except staff and maybe one or two other people I saw, were wearing masks. Going to the restroom then grabbing a drink at the bar took no more than 4-5 minutes.
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I don't know...I went to Megadeth in an outdoor venue. I was in the pit and hardly anyone were wearing masks, there were people whom were. Those who did not were buzzed, I ended up almost getting peed on by this drunk guy who decided to whip it out and release right in the pit. I don't know what happened after because I saw him reach down and I immediately split to the other side of the pit. I also saw a lot of people passed out drunk.
I then went to the Unleash The Archers show at a small venue that was packed to the brim with about 100-200 people. There were guys not masked at all making a mosh-pit which pretty much was the entire venue size, screaming and yelling away. I kept mine on, but lowered it mid set, and the band didn't seem to mind at all. They were actually making fists with people, and these unmasked guys. No vaccine passport or negative test required.
It's looking like now it's up to whomever wants to take that risk, and many people are by attending the shows. Even the musician themselves know that risk and are catching it and dealing with it.
But, also, Dream Theater are not easily replaceable as their music is so complex to learn a full set worth of songs on such a short notice. The vocalist you could find a temporary much easier, but it does change the tone of the band and in Dream Theater's case, it changes the tone immensely. At least, that's what The Shattered Fortress shows revealed to me.
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The indoor shows were curiously low in attendance also.
The DT shows were selling pretty poorly too. At least in Boston.
It would have sold out instantly if they would have announced it was to celebrate the 5th anniversary tour of The Astonishing. They missed the boat big time.
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The indoor shows were curiously low in attendance also.
The DT shows were selling pretty poorly too. At least in Boston.
It would have sold out instantly if they would have announced it was to celebrate the 5th anniversary tour of The Astonishing. They missed the boat big time.
Oh totally.
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I don't blame JP for feeling this way. Musicians are getting the shaft and it's time that they should be able to make a living too. If I was in their shoes, that's a risk I'm willing to take. Who in their right mind really wants to keep living like this?
People that dont want to suffer the long term debilitating effects of covid generally
Isn't that what vaccinations are for? If people are that worried about it then stay home, it's all good.
...and that's exactly what James, Mike, and Jordan felt apparently. But you don't seem like you really mean, "it's all good." You seem kinda mad about it.
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I don't blame JP for feeling this way. Musicians are getting the shaft and it's time that they should be able to make a living too. If I was in their shoes, that's a risk I'm willing to take. Who in their right mind really wants to keep living like this?
People that dont want to suffer the long term debilitating effects of covid generally
Isn't that what vaccinations are for? If people are that worried about it then stay home, it's all good.
...and that's exactly what James, Mike, and Jordan felt apparently. But you don't seem like you really mean, "it's all good." You seem kinda mad about it.
I'm not mad, I can feel JP's frustration though and wanting to promote their new album. Remember now, you're the Madman here.. ;D
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I don't blame JP for feeling this way. Musicians are getting the shaft and it's time that they should be able to make a living too. If I was in their shoes, that's a risk I'm willing to take. Who in their right mind really wants to keep living like this?
People that dont want to suffer the long term debilitating effects of covid generally
Isn't that what vaccinations are for? If people are that worried about it then stay home, it's all good.
...and that's exactly what James, Mike, and Jordan felt apparently. But you don't seem like you really mean, "it's all good." You seem kinda mad about it.
I'm not mad, I can feel JP's frustration though and wanting to promote their new album. Remember now, you're the Madman here.. ;D
Haha. Indeed. I understand how JP feels but also understand the others. I'm vaccinated but wasnt feeling great about going to the show. Kinda relieved it was canceled but doubt it'll be much better in a few months.
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Vaccinations prevent you from getting the full force of the virus. You can still get mild symptoms but you won't be in as much danger as without being double jabbed...
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Vaccinations prevent you from getting the full force of the virus. You can still get mild symptoms but you won't be in as much danger as without being double jabbed...
Had a friend hospitalized even though he was vaxxed. I can't remember the exact statistic but they are saying something like a quarter of vaxxed people with breakthrough cases still have long covid symptoms.
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Vaccinations prevent you from getting the full force of the virus. You can still get mild symptoms but you won't be in as much danger as without being double jabbed...
Had a friend hospitalized even though he was vaxxed. I can't remember the exact statistic but they are saying something like a quarter of vaxxed people with breakthrough cases still have long covid symptoms.
Yikes, I hope you're friend is ok. I also see what you're saying about things not changing much by early next year. It makes me wonder if the DT tour will get postponed again at that point? If so, I hope it doesn't cause a rift in the band. I'm sure by then, they will probably just go for it anyway.
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Vaccinations prevent you from getting the full force of the virus. You can still get mild symptoms but you won't be in as much danger as without being double jabbed...
Had a friend hospitalized even though he was vaxxed. I can't remember the exact statistic but they are saying something like a quarter of vaxxed people with breakthrough cases still have long covid symptoms.
Yikes, I hope you're friend is ok. I also see what you're saying about things not changing much by early next year. It makes me wonder if the DT tour will get postponed again at that point? If so, I hope it doesn't cause a rift in the band. I'm sure by then, they will probably just go for it anyway.
I'm thinking it will be. Another concert I was going to was postponed and I just opted for the refund. I think I'm going to hang on to my DT ticket because its 5th row center
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Was listening to a Matt Heafy stream today, and he was talking about how they are completely in a "bubble" on tour because they can't risk someone getting Covid, and then having to cancel a string of shows during the 14 day quarrantine period. It got me thinking that when DT hit the road, they will probably mostly do the same. I wouldn't be surprised if there were no meet-&-greets, after shows, etc. Kinda bums me out. But it is what it is.
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Vaccinations prevent you from getting the full force of the virus. You can still get mild symptoms but you won't be in as much danger as without being double jabbed...
Had a friend hospitalized even though he was vaxxed. I can't remember the exact statistic but they are saying something like a quarter of vaxxed people with breakthrough cases still have long covid symptoms.
Not saying this is true for everyone - but it's mostly cause they already have an underlying condition.
Was listening to a Matt Heafy stream today, and he was talking about how they are completely in a "bubble" on tour because they can't risk someone getting Covid, and then having to cancel a string of shows during the 14 day quarrantine period. It got me thinking that when DT hit the road, they will probably mostly do the same. I wouldn't be surprised if there were no meet-&-greets, after shows, etc. Kinda bums me out. But it is what it is.
I read that the side band of one of Maiden - British Lion ?? Cancelled a tour with THE DARKNESS as they had 'unacceptable safety measures'...
I can see that from The Darkness. Justin seems like he'd be a d--k in real life.
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We don't know if any of the band members actually have underlying conditions. Given that the virus is actually more virulent against older people, maybe that factored in the "split" as well.
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Vaccinations prevent you from getting the full force of the virus. You can still get mild symptoms but you won't be in as much danger as without being double jabbed...
Had a friend hospitalized even though he was vaxxed. I can't remember the exact statistic but they are saying something like a quarter of vaxxed people with breakthrough cases still have long covid symptoms.
Not saying this is true for everyone - but it's mostly cause they already have an underlying condition
Nope. He was a bigger guy though meaning tall. I think it tends to affect larger men more harshly. Knew another big guy that was hospitalized with it before vaccines were available.
But "underlying conditions" is so vague. I'm a relatively healthy guy with mild asthma. If you want to get nitpicky, almost everyone has an underlying condition.
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Was listening to a Matt Heafy stream today, and he was talking about how they are completely in a "bubble" on tour because they can't risk someone getting Covid, and then having to cancel a string of shows during the 14 day quarrantine period. It got me thinking that when DT hit the road, they will probably mostly do the same. I wouldn't be surprised if there were no meet-&-greets, after shows, etc. Kinda bums me out. But it is what it is.
It's kind of rare for bands to tour without their "bubble" right now. I fully expect DT to not interact directly with fans at this point. Having said that, there are some examples of bands still doing meet and greets or chatting by the tour bus with fans, but it's not common and IMO probably not the best idea from a safety of the tour perspective (even though I personally have engaged in such actions).